From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Willie from the Simpsons. Date: 01 Mar 2000 06:31:05 GMT Chris Hamilton wrote: > On 29 Feb 2000 23:30:14 GMT, beginnertunes@aol.com (Beginnertunes) wrote: > >in this order: 1st channel, NRP. Which he quickly scanned past, then a solo > >piper that sounded like Chris Hamilton, he then went one more station and > >settled on SFU playing an old classic. > > Hmm, he should have stopped on channel #2 - that guy rocks! > > Chris > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Chris Hamilton Nice to know someone around here is humble! ;-) If it sounded like me playing it probably wouldn't be on the radio! (How's that for humble? :-) Andrew -- Andrew & Kristen Lenz alenz@alumni.cse.ucsc.edu Santa Cruz, California U.S.A. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Beginner question Double G, half double F Date: 01 Mar 2000 06:31:36 GMT > > half double F Hmmmm. I've yet to run across a "Half Double F". What the heck is that? Isn't that just a "single F"? (Maybe I took too much calculus . . .) Andrew p.s. For what it's worth, I've been thinking of posting recordings of doublings, etc. to my website for newbies, but not for a number of months yet. Maybe this summer . . . -- Andrew & Kristen Lenz alenz@alumni.cse.ucsc.edu Santa Cruz, California U.S.A. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruce@ais.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: a good 2/4 march Date: 01 Mar 2000 07:28:26 GMT In article <89i18o$qm2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, teddythefish@my-deja.com wrote: > In article <027289c0.59618605@usw-ex0104-087.remarq.com>, > ccc31807 wrote: > > > Do you want something that you can play well and survive the > > competition, or do you want something that you can't play and > > embarrass yourself before the judge and onlookers? > > > > If the latter, play one of the suggested tunes. Unless you are a > > very strong beginning competitor, these will be beyond you. > > Which tunes are you talkin' about. John's original suggestions where > straight up TOO HEAVY for GrIV solos...but the other suggestions > weren't. Hope you haven't decided to take it upon yourself to > determine the guy's playing ability. Besides, if the event REQUIRES > a 4 parted march, your suggestions are useless. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. I think John left out the _Highland Wedding_, _Mrs. John MacColl_, and _Dr. E. G. MacKinnon_. :-) :-) :-) However as you note many of the other tunes would be quite appropriate for Grade IV ... assuming that's what he's entering; I don't think he said where he was competing. Some associations will require a 4-parter but most only require 4 parts of music, so he needs to check with his local association. Even in associations that only require 4 parts of music, many Grade IV players seem to be under the mistaken impression that they need a 4-parter. There are in fact 4-part versions of _Brown Haired Maiden_ and _High Road to Gairloch_ (assuming you can keep a straight face, since the third part of the latter sounds for all the world like _London Bridge is Falling Down_). Other good simple 4-part tunes include _Ensign Keogh_, _Miss Delicia Chisholm_, _51st Highland Division at Wadi Akarit_, and _Captain Norman Orr-Ewing_. I would probably try to steer clear of _Seige of Delhi_, _79ths Farewell to Gibralter_, and _Liberton Boys_ (aka _Caubeen Trimmed with Blue_) since these tend to be overdone, at least around here. Slightly heavier tunes would include _King George V's Army_, _Australian Ladies_, and _Atholl and Breadalbane Gathering_. Unfortunately most of the printed settings of _King George V's Army_ have very misleading pointing (the Scots Guards setting is about the worst). A simple tune played well will nearly always beat a harder tune played less well, and one of the most common mistakes at that level is to pick tunes that are too hard. A few years ago, the winner of the Grade IV Senior March at Grandfather Mountain (out of something like 40 players) played _51st Highland Division_, which is only perhaps a little bit harder than _Brown Haired Maiden_. But he played it very well (I had heard him playing it a lot at a piping school earlier in the summer), and it was quite pleasant to listen to him. It's quite a musical tune when played well. He was good enough that he could probably have gotten through a much harder tune, but possibly not with quite such good execution and expression. Put your best foot forward! Play something that you think you play really well, not the latest "cool" tune you heard on a CD. Good luck, Bruce C. Wright Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruce@ais.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Beginner question Double G, half double F Date: 01 Mar 2000 07:57:25 GMT In article <38BCB98A.548BE9E8@alumni.cse.ucsc.edu>, Andrew & Kristen Lenz wrote: > > > half double F > > Hmmmm. I've yet to run across a "Half Double F". What the heck is > that? Isn't that just a "single F"? (Maybe I took too much > calculus . . .) > > Andrew > > p.s. For what it's worth, I've been thinking of posting recordings of > doublings, etc. to my website for newbies, but not for a number of > months yet. Maybe this summer . . . A half double F is only played from High A or High G to F. Sometimes the double F from High G to F is played with a High A grace note in place of the initial G grace note, and sometimes it is played as a half doubling. In fact, half doublings can occur from High A or High G to any note below the preceeding High A or High G note, and the doubling with the initial High A grace note can occur when going from High G to any note below High G. To play a half double F from High A, you close directly from A to F, and then play a G gracenote. A half double E would close directly from A to E, then play an F gracenote, and so forth, leaving out the initial G grace note in each case. The two most common errors in making the half doublings are to make the initial note too short (the initial F in the half double F), which makes the movement sound "crushed"; or to make the grace note following the initial note too long (the G grace note in the half double F), which makes the movement sound "clunky". Each note in the doubling should sound solidly as a separate and distinct note, without pausing unduly on any of them. As with all doublings, the half doublings tend to sound best if they START on the beat, rather than ENDING on the beat. Far and away the best book on all the common piping movements used in the light music (which is to say everything but Piobaireachd) is Jim McGillivray's "Rhythmic Fingerwork" which also includes a CD of him doing all of the movements. An expensive exercise book, but well worth it; however it is not for someone just starting out on the chanter. Most beginners will need another tutor book for the first 3-4 months at least. But it is extremely useful for just about everyone else. Good luck, Bruce C. Wright Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Carr Subject: (bagpipe) Re: John Lee Rockets Date: 01 Mar 2000 08:51:30 GMT What about those Bruce Lee reeds? I hear they really kick the pants of anything else on the market. Bill C. Royce Lerwick wrote: > On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 23:37:45 -0000, "Chris Eyre" > wrote: > > >Don't mind John, Ross..... he's in his funny mood tonight..... (-: > > > >The man you want is Mark Lee and you can contact him at markalee@my-Deja.com > > Isn't there a John Lee Hooker? What are his drone reeds like? > > Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Sullivan" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd Date: 01 Mar 2000 11:26:00 GMT > (At least there wasn't a stream of druel down the corner of my mouth. > That only happens in church.) HOMER Lerwick??? - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: John Lee Rockets Date: 01 Mar 2000 14:56:39 GMT In article <38bc477e_3@127.0.0.1>, "John Mitchell" wrote: > Yes, I am manufacturing them now!. Didn't anyone tell you that you can't use crayons for reed bodies. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kronies Unite Date: 01 Mar 2000 10:54:06 -0500 Richard Thomas wrote: > snip > > A tone that is an octave above another tone differs from it by 1200 cents, > which is a whole lot of cents, but still quite a bit smaller than a > gazillion. > > That's because > > cents = 1200 x log(Freq2/Freq1, 2) > > where log(Freq2/Freq1, 2) means the logarithm of the ratio of the two > frequencies to the base 2. > > Of course, when Freq2 is an octave above Freq1, > Freq2/Freq1 = 2 > and the log of 2 to the base 2 is 1. (That is, 2 to the first power is 2.) > > But from the formula, it is easy to compute how the quantity "Cents/Hz" > varies with frequency. > > At "High A" on the chanter, the value is about 1.83 Cents/Hz. > At "Low A" on the chanter, it will be 3.66 Cents/Hz, > at the "A" of the tenor drones, it will be 7.32 Cents/Hz, > and at the bass drone "A", it will be 14.61 Cents/Hz. > > You were probably expecting 14.64 for the bass drone, since > the value of "Cents/Hz" seemed to be doubling every time > you went down an octave. > > But the value of the frequency ratio (about 119 Hz / 118 Hz) > is getting larger, so the logarithm has begun to deviate from > the first term of its linear expansion. > > If we start at Freq1 = 128 Hz and continue down by octaves, > we get: > > Freq. Cents/Hz > (Hz) > 128 13.47 > 64 26.84 > 32 53.27 > 16 104.96 N.B the rest of the progression is of mathematical interest only- most human ears can't detect frequencies as low as even the 16hz listed, let alone these below. > > 8 203.91 > 4 386.31 > 2 701.96 > 1 1200.00 > > Richard Thomas > Long Island Ravens Pipes and Drums > Bay Shore, NY - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SM 90 Shepherd Drone Reeds Date: 01 Mar 2000 11:02:16 -0500 Maeve wrote: > Chris Eyre wrote in message > news:89ho13$8kr$3@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > snip > > of water on a manometer), and I do tend to be a rather wet blower, so > > perhaps I'm asking more of them than I should. > > Chris, I'm amazed by this! I have been playing these Shepherds for well over > a month and have had every one in the world try them! They are a little > quieter but I find that the balance between the bass and the tenors is > great! It only took about 2 hours for them to settle down. They did get > richer sounding as I continued playing them . . .maybe give them a little > more time? Perhaps that Maeve is in Florida and Chris is in England may have something to do with different results? - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: John Lee Rockets Date: 01 Mar 2000 10:50:52 -0500 You need protection if you're going to use them... Royce Lerwick wrote: > On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 23:37:45 -0000, "Chris Eyre" > wrote: > > >Don't mind John, Ross..... he's in his funny mood tonight..... (-: > > > >The man you want is Mark Lee and you can contact him at markalee@my-Deja.com > > Isn't there a John Lee Hooker? What are his drone reeds like? > > Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Counihan Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd Date: 01 Mar 2000 16:09:22 GMT In article <38BC8B37.4DAB9399@interlog.com>, Jim McGillivray wrote: > Actually, Royce, you're right. Most piobairached players, myself included, > consider it a compliment to look out into the audience and see eyes closed and > heads nodding. When good piobaireachd is being played I often find myself > closing my eyes and slipping into this bizarre sort of trance-like state where > I'm almost asleep but completely aware of the tune and the bagpipe and > everything around me. > So there you go. > > Jim McGillivray > Aurora, Ontario > > When I was over for the '98 worlds I went to the Piping Centre for one of the lunch time recitals. I can't remember who was playing, but when he started playing a piobairached I my eyes closed and I went into one of those half sleep/awake states that you described above. Stayed that way right up till the last note and then...SNAP!..fully awake. I felt pretty embarassed that I looked like I was having a nice nap during his performance. I was more afraid that I was going to start snoring. A sound quite like a dissonent 5th to the drones and ruin the whole performance. Although I did not have a full appreciation for piobairached before going there, I certainly did after walking away. -- Brian C. http://www.stcolumcille.com/ "If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose." - Deep Thought, Jack Handy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re:MTV, was Willie from the Simpsons. Date: 01 Mar 2000 11:10:27 -0500 Actually . I have played on MTV, after a fashion- if you were watching MTV about 4 years ago and saw a commericl in which a piper appeared for about 1.3 seconds amid a kaleidoscope of lightning fast images obnoxious sounds- it would have been me, really. Not playing on the sound track, though- they used some squeally tune -up sounds for my bit ( i didn't know that's whaere it was heading, honest) Actually, if they did record and use my sound I would have been paid a lot more that I was. I got SAG extra scale rather than Musican's Union Scale for the taping. It wa a fun morning, none the less. ( no brag, just fact) John Mitchell wrote: > Andrew & Kristen Lenz wrote in > > > > If it sounded like me playing it probably wouldn't be on the radio! > > (How's that for humble? :-) > > Ah! don't be bashful! There's no shame in self indulgence. > > If you were watching MTV and heard pipes, It would be me! > > Howz that for a swollen Heed! ;-) > > I had a pal who believed that reserved parking was for him! > > He'z now onto making hiz 4th Million. > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd Date: 01 Mar 2000 11:23:32 -0500 On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 06:04:52 -0800, ccc31807 wrote: >This "problem" is one of the great mysteries of life. Why is it >that we humans exchange something sublime for trash? I will not >illustrate this point, because many of you will laugh at me. >Only just say that the vast majority (if not all) marches, slow >airs, reels, etc., are all forgettable, "The Highland Wedding" forgettable? "Lord Alexander Kennedy", "Susan MacLeod", "Mist Covered Mountains", etc. Don't be ridiculous. These are excellent pieces of music. They're popular because they are NOT forgettable. The melodies have stood the test of time. > and can't compare with the depth and complexity of piobaireachd, Ceol Beag (aka light music) is an art form in and of itself. Audiences like it, pipers like it. It's enjoyable to listen to. I can listen to it and play it all day long. Piobaireachd is all fine and dandy, and worthy of study and respect, but to imply that other branches of our music are not is just, well, silly. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton ToneCzar@erols.com http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SM 90 Shepherd Drone Reeds Date: 01 Mar 2000 14:03:17 -0500 > Maeve wrote: > Chris, I'm amazed by this! I have been playing these Shepherds for well over > a month and have had every one in the world try them! They are a little > quieter but I find that the balance between the bass and the tenors is > great! It only took about 2 hours for them to settle down. They did get > richer sounding as I continued playing them . . .maybe give them a little > more time? This question is for Maeve, Ron, Chris, anybody. I would like to replace my Wygents (great sound, intonation, etc. but TOO MUCH AIR). Can anyone expound on SM 90 vs. Wygents vs. Dua-Tone new Wygents as relates to volume of air required? Thanks. Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Brigadoon Date: 01 Mar 2000 19:20:25 GMT Ditto Kenny, I played Lord Lovats and also for the dancing at the wedding...and do believe it was the sword dance Ghillie Callum Lori Kenny MacKenzie wrote in message <30dad527.07d50b34@usw-ex0106-048.remarq.com>... >Iain, > >I have played for Brigadoon twice over the years. The music I was given >was Lord Lovets Lament played as a slow march - this is played for the >funeral scene. There is also a highland dance during the wedding scene >-I played for a sword dance. > >I hope this is of some help all the best. > >Kenny. > > >* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * >The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aberdeen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Paki Pipes - The Facts vs. The Myths Date: 01 Mar 2000 19:20:43 GMT In article <89jj5e$t5c$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Don Bigelow wrote: ... > > Fact or Myth: > > > 7) Paki pipes can be improved to at least tolerable condition/sound by > replacing certain parts with parts from a "real" bagpipe manufacturer. > This part is true! You just need to replace a few parts. It can be done with 5 Easy Steps: 1st. Ditch the bag. Paki bags are oily and leak. While you're tying in a new bay you might as well use different stocks because of the cheap wood Pakis use will tend to crack with the moisture. Same with the blowpipe. 2nd Get a good quality chanter. You won't be able to tune the Paki chanter to anything else in the band. Oh, don't use the reed that came with the old chanter, get a reed which works well with your new chanter. Same with the drone reeds - get some good quality synthetic ones. 3rd Replace the bag cover. The stitching on Paki bags is deplorable and the tartan fabric give it away that you've got a Paki set under it all. Might as well replace those tartan cords too along with the ring type ties on the cords. 4th replace the blowpipe. It is made of wood which will easily crack and you can go with either African blackwood or polypenco. 5th Now you're almost set. Just replace the drones with good quality African blackwood drones from a reputable maker and you've got it! You've made your Paki pipes into something which can hold its own against a commercially sold Scottish bagpipe! (My apologies to Jack Nicholson and his the "You want me to hold the chicken?" scene.) All the best, Jim -- Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. 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It's the only Games I every knew that also >held a Northumbrian Smallpipe competition as well. > >BTW, there is a village nearby called "Once Brewed" and in the centre of it >is a pub called "Twice Brewed". > >Chris Eyre - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aberdeen Subject: (bagpipe) Clearance pipe case Date: 01 Mar 2000 20:34:15 GMT I've got a standard pipe case which I'm reducing in price because of minor damage. The case is new but came from the factory with a slight bow in the front lower panel of the case. It still closes fine, but when open, the bow is noticable. An example of what our standard case looks like can be seen at: I've discounted the price to $35.00 for this one imperfect case + P&P. Sorry there is only one, but it will go to the first to email for it. All the best, Jim -- Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: MTV, was Willie from the Simpsons. Date: 01 Mar 2000 16:26:15 -0500 I think I was paid something on the order of $153, US, after taxes, etc.- would have been the same if I shopwed up for 1 second or 30 in the commercial. It would have been a lot more, as I said If they also recorded the sound, in which case I'd have received AFM scale and residuals. As I said I was paid at a Screen Actors Guild rate for extras-plus a smal lallowance because I proivided my own costume. I was there for about an hour, about one half of which was standing around waiting, the other half walking back and forth playing, turning to face the camera , etc. Funny thing was, therfe was a samll white poodle there as well, with a whole team- a handler, a hairdresser, an owner and, I think an agent. They could not gett the dog to bark on cue, or to appear to be interested in a fake firehydrant, so the dog's part never made the commercial. Kind of puts the whole thing in perspective, eh? John Mitchell wrote: > Bob Cameron wrote in > > Actually . I have played on MTV, after a fashion- if you were watching > > MTV about 4 years ago and saw a commericl in which a piper appeared for > > about 1.3 seconds amid a kaleidoscope of lightning fast images > > So Bob, What do you charge per second? > > Is there a 5 second minimal charge in your contract? > Lets see, to ply 5 minutes in Ontarion, that would be, ummm, Wage Scale IV > minimum of $151(Us Funds, Plus travel expenses and perdiem-- probably a > couple of grand, John- save your dough. LOL, am I supposed to now say- "If you've never appeared in a 30 second TV spot, you don't know what you're talking about??" Actually, the other commercial I was in was more fun, and paid better, but that's another story.... > > Come to think of it, if I want to save any money can you > just play for half a second? ;-) > > OK, OK, OK I'm done! > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:02:58 GMT On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:26:00 GMT, "Tim Sullivan" wrote: > > >> (At least there wasn't a stream of druel down the corner of my mouth. >> That only happens in church.) > >HOMER Lerwick??? Doh! Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:04:04 GMT On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 10:43:01 -0500, Bob Cameron wrote: >Leaping Horntoads, Royce- be careful- there's a guy who plays in the subway here >who plays like that all tghe time - out of it totally, and maybe more than just a >bit shy of making sense. To make it worse- he's blowing a recorder- be careful or >it could be you next! If he's playing a recorder and Irish tunes, he's better off asleep. Well, I mean, *I'm* better off if he's asleep. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:05:19 GMT On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 06:04:52 -0800, ccc31807 wrote: >This "problem" is one of the great mysteries of life. Why is it >that we humans exchange something sublime for trash? I will not >illustrate this point, because many of you will laugh at me. >Only just say that the vast majority (if not all) marches, slow >airs, reels, etc., are all forgettable, and can't compare with >the depth and complexity of piobaireachd, yet at piping >recitals, what happens when the piper hits the initial hiharin? >The audience has this Pavlovian response, "Now's the time to go >to the bar. The piper has quit playing tunes." It would be funny >if it were not so sad. Actually, the response is, "Uuup--some bastard's started into a piobaireachd. Party's over. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:07:05 GMT On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:23:32 -0500, Chris Hamilton wrote: >Ceol Beag (aka light music) is an art form in and of itself. >Audiences like it, pipers like it. It's enjoyable to listen to. I can >listen to it and play it all day long. Isn't that "Ceal Brebach" or "middle music," or the heavy marches, strathspeys, and I suppose, finger-wrenching kitchen piping would fall into that category I think. The show-tunes as well. In any case, you can master all that stuff in a few weeks. Right? Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Toronto Date: 01 Mar 2000 17:22:57 -0900 I'm going to be in Toronto on business the week of 3/31-4/6/00. Are there any piping events, or places of interest to pipers I should check out while I'm there? Thanks, Michael - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: AGEING IVORY WITH UV LAMP? Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:26:39 GMT JJ34U wrote: > > where do you get new ivory on pipes now? Pipe makers in Pakistan and india still have it, but you cant get it over here. I have aged im ivory with a uv light that is used for industrial purposes, but I havent tried it on the real thing, Mike - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SM 90 Shepherd Drone Reeds Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:24:41 GMT On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:36:30 -0500, "John Mitchell" wrote: >>All the players that I know including myself, Don't use any >filler in the chanter section. Never have a problem with wetness. > >Even in a Scottish Cloud Burst!! Hey thanks for the backup on this "secret" info on the Ross Cannister about 9 months after you let Bill Carr give me a load of shite about what an idiot I was for making the same observation, and post after post of arguments about it. It's great to know you're a guy who just jumps right in to support the Truth where ever it may be found, and not driven by petty personal motivations or self-promotion. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SM 90 Shepherd Drone Reeds Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:40:58 GMT In article <38bd4782_2@127.0.0.1>, "John Mitchell" wrote: > Well now we're just getting back into moisture control! > All the players that I know including myself, Don't use any > filler in the chanter section. Never have a problem with wetness. > > Even in a Scottish Cloud Burst!! Is this one of your sneaky commercial advertisements for "Depends Undergarments"? Your personal experiences just add to the credibility of the above testimonial. Watch out Mr. Whipple. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: John Lee Rockets Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:41:33 GMT On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 08:51:30 GMT, Bill Carr wrote: >What about those Bruce Lee reeds? Bruce Lees are dead sounding. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: John Lee Rockets Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:30:18 GMT In article <38bd44a6_4@127.0.0.1>, "John Mitchell" wrote: > That's right Pat, I use crayons for guys like you that might > hurt themselves with sharp or pointed objects! So that's why your last endearing letter to me was written in "Jungle Green" and "Dandelion" yellow. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sdon Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kilt prices in the U.S. and Canada Date: 01 Mar 2000 19:54:49 -0700 You can get a beautiful 16 oz 8 yard kilt from Sandy St. James for about $360.00 Best deal I know of. Don Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote: > Below is a listing of kilt-makers and their prices for an 8 yard gent's kilt > in 13oz. tartan fabric, as advertised on their web-sites. No representation > is made in regard to the quality of their workmanship and the following > listing is given merely for purposes of price comparison > > Kilts 4 Less $310.00 U.S. > http://www.kilts4less.bigstep.com/listofservices.jhtml > > J. Higgins, Ltd. $340.00 U.S. http://www.qni.com/~jhiggins/ > > The Celtic Connection $330.00 U.S. > http://www.ihscelti.com/The_CelticConnection_LC/the_celticconnection_lc.html > > Highland Heritage, Ltd. $395.00 U.S. > http://www.highlandheritage.com/kilts.html/ > > Scottish Lion $395.00 U.S. http://www.scottishlion.com/kilgencusmad.html > > McCullough Highlands $410.00 U.S. http://www.celtickilts.com/ > > MacLeod's Scottish Shop $413.00 U.S. > http://www.macleodsscottish.com/pl_mss_pricelist.html > > McIntosh's Highland Supplies $414.00 U.S. > http://www.mcintosh.bc.ca/pricelist.html > > Great Scot $450.00 U.S. http://www.greatscotshop.com/highland/kiltmeas.html > > Ann Stewart Kiltmaker $450.00 U.S. http://www.kiltshop.com/catalog.htm > > Happy shopping! > > Steven Akins of that Ilk > sjakins@sonet.net -- PIPER AT LARGE (sdon@utah.uswest.net) White Peaks Pipe Band http://www.angelfire.com/ut/sdon/index.html - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: John Lee Rockets Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:44:19 GMT On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:24:09 -0500, "John Mitchell" wrote: >oshpiper wrote in >> "John Mitchell" wrote: >> >> > Yes, I am manufacturing them now!. >> >> Didn't anyone tell you that you can't use crayons for reed bodies. > >That's right Pat, I use crayons for guys like you that might >hurt themselves with sharp or pointed objects! That's why guys like Pat can only read you posts, because they're in no danger from anything sharp or pointed in the way of with or discernment. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Beginner question Double G, half double F Date: 02 Mar 2000 04:53:55 GMT bruce@ais.com wrote: > Andrew & Kristen Lenz wrote: > > > > half double F > > > > Hmmmm. I've yet to run across a "Half Double F". What the heck is > > that? > > A half double F is only played from High A or High G to F. Sometimes > the double F from High G to F is played with a High A grace note in > place of the initial G grace note, and sometimes it is played as a .... Ah, so I've been playing it without knowing another name for it. I was wondering how I managed to miss that one in 2-1/2 years of piping! Thanks, Andrew -- Andrew & Kristen Lenz alenz@alumni.cse.ucsc.edu Santa Cruz, California U.S.A. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Name that tune Date: 02 Mar 2000 05:03:14 GMT Does anyone know how to save a embedded sound file like that off of a web page? (I'm using Netscape Communicator . . .) 322z5 wrote: > http://ohmygoodness.com/cgi-bin/m/www_3/MUSIC/Cards/Animated/bagpipes.gif Thanks, Andrew -- Andrew & Kristen Lenz alenz@alumni.cse.ucsc.edu Santa Cruz, California U.S.A. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Willie from the Simpsons. Date: 02 Mar 2000 05:07:21 GMT John Mitchell wrote: > > Andrew & Kristen Lenz wrote in > > > > If it sounded like me playing it probably wouldn't be on the radio! > > (How's that for humble? :-) > > Ah! don't be bashful! There's no shame in self indulgence. Okay, fine, be that way! ;-) I did get interviewed in a local newspaper after I played at a Highland games . . . . . . maybe it was because I didn't intimidate the reporter! Sorry, John, I need more practice with the self-indulgence stuff! Andrew -- Andrew & Kristen Lenz alenz@alumni.cse.ucsc.edu Santa Cruz, California U.S.A. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SM 90 Shepherd Drone Reeds Date: 02 Mar 2000 00:52:05 -0500 Matt Buckley wrote in message news:01bf83ae$a2c60da0$f5025bd1@default... > This question is for Maeve, Ron, Chris, anybody. > I would like to replace my Wygents (great sound, > intonation, etc. but TOO MUCH AIR). Can anyone > expound on SM 90 vs. Wygents vs. Dua-Tone new > Wygents as relates to volume of air required? Oh, MATT!!!! Don't do that yet!!!! If you want to do so, send the Wygents to me!!! I'll fix them for you and send them back! I'm not the "Wygent Drone Queen of the South" for no reason!!!! I CAN FIX THAT!!!!!!!! I promise!!!! And this is serious! If you have another set to play for a week or so, I will gladly do this for you! I love doing it! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com authoring http://sandykeith.com "Moderation is a fatal thing. Nothing succeeds like excess." --- Oscar Wilde - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SM 90 Shepherd Drone Reeds Date: 02 Mar 2000 00:48:05 -0500 Chris Eyre wrote in message news:89jv4v$7ng$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk... > You may be right, Maeve. Perhaps I haven't given them enough time. (Trouble > is, I keep going back to my Lee Rockets.) > It's interesting though, what Bob says about possible climate difference. > It's really damp and chilly here just now - certainly not the weather for > playing out of doors. So the only environment I've been working in lately is > in a centrally-heated room at home or in a rather chilly Band Hall which at > this time of year tests most reeds to the limit as far as moisture is > concerned. What's it been like in Florida lately, Maeve? Are you practicing > indoors or out, or both? The weather here would be considered GORGEOUS by most people but I find it rather chilly .. . about 75-80 during the days dropping to the mid-50's in the evening. The humidity has been relatively low (considering this is Florida!) lately. I play both places .. in the house and outside but I do find the best playing is done outdoors. I don't know if this is just part of my own mindset or a reality! I have had the heat on in the house for the last month (yes, when it drops below 76 degrees, I freeze!) and it tends to dry out my bag to the point where I throw a shotglass of water into the bag to rehydrate everything. I'd love to hear how you are doing with these reeds . . . and to see if there is any change to them with weather conditions, etc. Please do keep me informed. I don't know why I am so fascinated by drone reeds!!!!! I wish I could try every set made!!!! I'm about ready to change reeds again . .. just for the sake of doing it. There is nothing wrong with the SM 90's but it's too boring around here when I don't have problems ;) :) :) :) -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com authoring http://sandykeith.com "Moderation is a fatal thing. Nothing succeeds like excess." --- Oscar Wilde - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Dispecta est Thule Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:37:26 GMT On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 10:45:24 -0800, Paul Gretton wrote: >Charles E. Kron wrote: >> >> The motto is taken from Tacitus: dispecta est et Thule. Plus, Paul, I would take dispecta est >> as perfect passive indicative (was seen), and Thule (f) as subject. A Roman would most >> probably have understood Thule (from Greek, Bob) to be Shetland. Check your Lewis. >> >> -Charley Kron >> > >I didn't realise the motto was a Tacitus quote. If I had, I could have checked what it >means in context. (I did of course check Lewis and Short.) If the quote is part of the >Agricola narrative, then Tacitus is indeed likely to have meant the perfect passive. > >However, my interpretation of dispecta est as a gerundive is also correct --taking the >words as they stand, out of the context of Tacitus. > >Of course, the interesting thing is that both interpretations work. There would seem to >be a deliberate ambiguity (or rather a case of deliberate polysemy) --quite a nice one >actually. > >As to the significance of the name Thule: I'm sure you realise that this is much >disputed. Check your Oxford Classical Dictionary, which has a long discussion of the >word. Thanks for clearing that up guys. Royce (Whaddeesay? Whaddeesay?) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Brigadoon Date: 29 Feb 2000 08:39:36 -0500 As an aside to that, "Lord Lovat's Lament" was written in by Lerner & Lowe as what they specifically wanted. There's a flowing part that follows the actual march on that's based on the melody. The score has the music written in for piano, but if you just play the tune out, you can pick it up for the pipe in about 5 seconds. John MacFadyen claimed to have written that part. However true that is, I'm not sure. Bill Burt Iain Massie wrote in message <3DAu4.11188$Py3.207490@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>... >Has anyone out there done Brigadoon. If so, is there any specific music or >is it just something slow. > >Thanks >Iain > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Carr Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Gibson Chanter Model? Date: 02 Mar 2000 13:06:30 GMT The solo model has different hole spacing to the band model. The D hole is much further down and (if memory serves me correct) all the holes a a touch further down the chanter. You would need to compare it to a known band model of the same age to see the difference. Perhaps someone could send you a scan of the band model? In any case I didn't hear much difference between the two. The solo is perhaps a touch lower pitched and perhaps a wee bit softer in tone. Using the same reed, the solo required no tape at all while the band chanter needed tape on the D and F. If it's a new chanter then Gibson or the supplier should have it on record which model it is. Cheers Bill Carr Mark Scheen wrote: > I've been emailing back and forth with a fellow in Texas about a Gibson > chanter he has. We are trying to determine if it's the solo or the band > model. Does anyone know how to tell the difference? We've already been > through the obvious stuff, like checking for a model number stamped on it. > Any other hints? Thanks, > > Mark - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd Date: 02 Mar 2000 10:07:36 -0500 Actually it's much worse than that- he's playing something that only he thinks are tunes- even the other drunks can't sleep when he's there. I think he imagines he's the Charlie Parker of the recorder. we can only be grateful that he's not massacring real tunes or strngling his casts with a louder instrument. Royce Lerwick wrote: > On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 10:43:01 -0500, Bob Cameron > wrote: > > >Leaping Horntoads, Royce- be careful- there's a guy who plays in the subway here > >who plays like that all tghe time - out of it totally, and maybe more than just a > >bit shy of making sense. To make it worse- he's blowing a recorder- be careful or > >it could be you next! > > If he's playing a recorder and Irish tunes, he's better off asleep. > Well, I mean, *I'm* better off if he's asleep. > > Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kilt prices in the U.S. and Canada Date: 02 Mar 2000 10:11:24 -0500 last I knew, New York, where Sandy is located was stiil part of the USA... Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote: > sdon wrote in message <38BDD7F9.58E87ACF@slkc.uswest.net>... > >You can get a beautiful 16 oz 8 yard kilt from Sandy St. James for about > $360.00 > > > >Best deal I know of. > > Aye, but if Sandy is in the U.K. and you are in the U.S., you can expect to > add another $80-$100.00 for import duty once the U.S. Customs folks get > their hands on it. > > Steven Akins of that Ilk > sjakins@sonet.net - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Who do you think you are! Date: 02 Mar 2000 16:06:55 GMT God to be so wanted in a world of no nothing, hack beginners such as us....sigh If only I could be like you...... John Mitchell wrote in message <38bb7ad0_3@127.0.0.1>... >You know, I get really tired of reading the E-mails that challenge >me to play them on the boards because they think their good. >I've always replied anytime, anywhere! So do it!! this summer!! Montreal! You are liable to have a very big audience...almost as big as your mouth! to see how you perform! ;-)) > >Yea, I voice my opinion on this NG, but that's an opinion that's >based on actually living this lifestyle for over 30 years now. Big deal, I'm not near as old as you and I have been playing for nearly 30 yrs John.... >I'm not going to take any shit nor should I have to, from any newbie, >wannabe, or from someone sitting on the sidelines that thinks they >know something of what this game is all about. I do know what the game is about...been in it for a long time and at least I had the guts to put myself on the boards against the big guys in Open Solos...something you have admittedly not done to date...;-)) > >This summer, I'm going to take a rest and help out a little GR4 band, >I also plan to spend some time with my 3 year old daughter who >I have barely seen in over a year. Does that make me anyless a player? Hmm, you told me I was a hasbeen....this year, you are the has been! > >I have put in my years at the top level. Had I spent this much time and >effort >at anything else, I'd be a bloddy multi millionaire by now. Ah well, you can bask in the glory from all you adoring fans.......:-))))))) Lori...one of John's many admirers....hahahaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >-----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Carr Subject: (bagpipe) Silver/Ivory PC Date: 02 Mar 2000 16:15:15 GMT Feast your eyes on this folks......... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=274095785 Bill Carr - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Campbell Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd Date: 01 Mar 2000 17:42:54 -0500 ccc31807 wrote: > > > Hey Doug - before you start posting to the newsgroup, may I > suggest an adult literacy program? > > (This is a flame. If you want to know what provoked it, we can > discuss it by private posts.) Alright Charles, cool off. I admit I had a visceral reaction to your post, the second such reaction in 2 days no less, so I replied hastily. After looking back over your contributions to the group I can see I was mistaken in questioning your commitment to the instrument, and for that I do apologize. As for your recent points, I did read what you said intitially and your clarification, which didn't. It read to me something like this (paraphrased where necessary for economy, to make me right, or both): -------- you: Technique: one of the easier instruments. The GHB is the easiest instrument in the world to make music on. You can learn to play every note in five minutes and attain reasonable proficiency in six months. Matt: you must be kidding (condensed version) you: I'm not saying that being good is easy to restate what I said, if you take the component parts of piping and rate them as compared to other instruments, this is how I would do it: fingering technique - easy ------------- OK, I don't get it. Technique is such a huge portion of what this instrument is about. Do you mean "bad fingering technique is easy"? because I would agree with you there. Yes, maybe one can learn to play every note in five minutes, but my cat can play every note on the piano faster than that. Or maybe I'm the only one for whom the technique is the biggest challenge - but didn't you say that it took you three years to get from the pc to the pipes - three years before you even picked up the actual instrument? That's fingering technique. So forgive me if I am being obtuse but I still don't know what you're talking about when you say that the technique is relatively easy. Then there was today's post regarding the light music. I remember the prior confusion about your post to Sam Strathclyde where you said that "99% of non-piob tunes are trash tunes" and then you later said that you were only joking, and that you were being too subtle for this medium, and that you were the one who offered the Civil War tunes. But then today, you wrote regarding piobaireachd "why is it that we humans exchange something sublime for trash? I will not illustrate this point, because many of you will laugh at me. Only just say that the vast majority (if not all) marches, slow airs, reels, etc. are all forgettable. . ." So what do you mean? "Vast majority (if not all)" sure sounds like you mean 99% to me. Are you joking again? Maybe you should have risked being laughed at to illustrate your point for the benefit of the adult illiterates among us. Sorry for questioning your love of the instrument, but I can't apologize for not knowing what the hell yer talking about because I don't! Doug C. -- "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea" - Robert A. Heinlein - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Campbell Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd Date: 01 Mar 2000 18:28:47 -0500 Well, I tried twice posting a reasoned response to the group, and it didn't appear on my server either time - never happened before. So I tried mailing it to you directly but your address doesn't work. So I'm done for the night. Doug C. ccc31807 wrote: > > Hey Doug - before you start posting to the newsgroup, may I > suggest an adult literacy program? > > (This is a flame. If you want to know what provoked it, we can > discuss it by private posts.) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN MITCHELL Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Who do you think you are! Date: 02 Mar 2000 19:08:41 GMT John and/or Lori Gaudet wrote in > > So do it!! this summer!! Montreal! > You are liable to have a very big audience...almost as big as your mouth! > to see how you perform! ;-)) What's the matter Lori, still licking your wounds from the 96 Maxville games. That's when The Detroit band and their mighty Gibson chanters gave your band a severe malking! You weren't even concidered in the hunt. It sure was sweet beating your band, but now this will just be icing on the cake. I'm sure I won't even break a sweat! This sounds like the makings of a good competition! ;-))) BTW, I'll be playing down at the Detroit invitational on March 25 My old arche enemy, Doctor Martyn Brown will be there too. I can't wait to beat his scrawny little ass again! HeHeHe The best part is, he's even giving me a lift to the contest. That's like the fly giving the spider a ride to the web. Bwahahahaha! JOHN MITCHELL WWF piping champ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Who do you think you are! Date: 02 Mar 2000 21:18:53 GMT My Goodness John...is that what you do when your band gets beat?? Lick your wounds for like 4 years? Hmmm...3 more to go for you I guess...maybe thats why you quit eh? That's not quite how we deal with things out here....but you wouldn't know anything about that what with those big ole blinders you have on...;-))) Good luck in Detroit....I know you will post your results here for all we hack beginners' interest!! JOHN MITCHELL wrote in message <89me7k$vh8$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >John and/or Lori Gaudet wrote in >> >> So do it!! this summer!! Montreal! >> You are liable to have a very big audience...almost as big as your >mouth! >> to see how you perform! ;-)) > >What's the matter Lori, still licking your wounds from the 96 Maxville >games. That's when The Detroit band and their mighty Gibson chanters >gave your band a severe malking! You weren't even concidered in the >hunt. > >It sure was sweet beating your band, but now this will just be icing on >the cake. I'm sure I won't even break a sweat! > >This sounds like the makings of a good competition! ;-))) > >BTW, I'll be playing down at the Detroit invitational on March 25 >My old arche enemy, Doctor Martyn Brown will be there too. >I can't wait to beat his scrawny little ass again! HeHeHe > >The best part is, he's even giving me a lift to the contest. >That's like the fly giving the spider a ride to the web. Bwahahahaha! > >JOHN MITCHELL >WWF piping champ! > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Paki Pipes - The Facts vs. The Myths Date: 03 Mar 2000 00:01:00 GMT >7) Paki pipes can be improved to at least tolerable condition/sound by >replacing certain parts with parts from a "real" bagpipe manufacturer. True. >8) If a person truly cannot afford a set of "real" pipes, he/she is >better off dead or taking up the harmonica than buying a set of Paki's. False, but only if modified as above. >9) Paki's are actually fine for the beginner and/or casual/informal use. True, but only as modified. >10) Paki pipes really sound exactly like classic Hendersons, It's all in how you reed them. I have a set that sounds pretty darn adequate, but not Henderson-like. But then again, a poorly-set-up sset of Hendersons is going to sound not unlike these Pakis. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd Date: 02 Mar 2000 23:55:55 GMT > I've >judged many contests of even top-flight professionals where only two out of >10 >tunes were worth crossing the parking lot for. Ah! That explains why your list of recommended grade 3 piob includes mostly short chunes. I decided on Alasdair Dearg. But I had no idea good piob was that hard to come by, if even some of the Open pipers aren't playing it. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Strathspey Musings Date: 03 Mar 2000 00:24:07 GMT I'm working on Struan Robertson. I'm trying to emphasize the SwMw phrasing, so I set my metronome at about 46 so it clicks on every other beat, rather than at 92 (clicking on every beat). It seems to help. Is there any problem with beating my foot every other beat, rather than every beat, in solo competition? Also: beating time this way makes a typical part of a strathspey a group of 4, 4-beat phrases. I seem to be noticing a SwMw phrasing within each group of 4 as well. Take the first part of Struan Robertson. It's repeated, so really you have 2 groups of 4-beat phrases. Make sense? And what tempos are people really playing strathspeys at in grades 2 and 3? Last year I was playing a different tune in the 80's, and that was too slow. I've heard the range of about 92-100 is a good target tempo. Also heard that about 110 is where a strathspey starts to sound good, like competition marches start to sound like marches at around 60. But grade 1 bands and highland dancers do strathspeys in the 130's, right? That's a heckuva distance from 92. What about reels? 100-120? Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Call to breakup Jewish media conglomerates !!!! by Salvador Astucia Date: 02 Mar 2000 19:49:23 -0500 Reminds me of a good joke: Q: Do you know how to save a bigot from drowning? Resp: No. A. Good! Bill Burt Beginnertunes wrote in message <20000301071050.21232.00000196@ng-fx1.aol.com>... >>Get bent and spout your green eyed racism somewhere else. I bet you'd >>complain if they were African American, or Mexican or Asian. You're jealous > >Bravo Richo! Your right, when their done with Jews, blacks, PR's, etc etc >they'll start on pointey noses, crossed eyes, brown eyes. Jerks like this will >always find someone (or something about someone) to hate to justify their >insecurities and anger. >Scotia Aye! >Bill >What do playing the bagpipes, and throwing a Javelin while blindfolded have in >common? >You don't have to be good at either one to get peoples attention! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: AGEING IVORY WITH UV LAMP? Date: 03 Mar 2000 02:13:55 GMT madman wrote: > > Mike Le Boeuf wrote: > > > > > > Pipe makers in Pakistan and india still have it, but you cant get it > > over here. > > > > Hey Mike,I get tired of answering this question. > > Elephant Ivory is NOT ILLEGAL. > > It is illegal to IMPORT and EXPORT out of North America,however,any > ivory that was in North America prior to the CITES ban on > importation/exportation is perfectly legal to sell/trade/use etc. > > I make several NEW sets of full-mounted elephant ivory every year, > and make countless replacement parts using NEW elephant ivory every > year. > > (just made a new bush for Mike Greens Lawrie Bass-Top..used a nice new > piece of elephant ivory..threaded of course,32 TPI) > > Elephant ivory is readily available in any quantity you can afford to > purchase. > Last year we bought a nice n' big 150 pound tusk. > We also have mammoth ivory and walrus ivory. > All perfectly legal. > Lynne Miller at House of Bagpipes in San Francisco, moves several sets > of > full mounted elephant ivory every year...I believe he has a set in his > inventory....check it out. I stated what I said wrong, I was saying many pipe makers in Pakistan and india have ivory, but they cant Send it over here. I know ivory is available, and I have seen the sets from Lynne that you have made. I have also seen the basic pipes with silver mounts, I was practicing engraving on one of them. For some reason your silver makes a high pitch but soft Ring when a Diamond tool scrapes across it. Mike - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) LYNNE MILLER Date: 03 Mar 2000 02:38:17 GMT Lynne, please e-mail me, i lost your e-mail address. (again) Mike - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Robertson Subject: (bagpipe) Re: 1905 Lawries Date: 02 Mar 2000 20:15:32 -0800 Good Lord, absolutely stunning!!! Cheers Don Bill Carr wrote: > I've put a photo of them here: > > http://business.fortunecity.com/newhouse/855/show.html > > Check out the chanter! > > Bill Carr - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Robertson Subject: (bagpipe) Off Topic Date: 02 Mar 2000 20:31:02 -0800 Hi all, Sorry this way out of the ng range but I need some help finding a song. I heard it once on an episode of Masterpiece Theater. It was a show about a squadron of RAF Spitfire pilots. There was a song at the beginning of the show that went, "Oh the bells of hell go ding a-ling a-ling, not for me, for.you..........." Has anyone ever heard of this? And if so, direct me to the rest of the words. Sorry again it's not piping Don - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ../\...SAY A PRAYER FOR THE INNOCENT VICTIMS OF BLACK VIOLENCE AND LAWLESSNESS!!^^^.. Date: 02 Mar 2000 20:57:42 -0800 this is obviously from someone with a serious recto-cranial infarction, and a keen fashion sense to boot. -- Iain Sherwood check out the new look of our website: www.cuillinn.com see what's new at Pipey's Corner - www.cuillinn.com/notes.html - new column is at the bottom of the list! - for the latest news, views, and product reviews wrote in message news:B282A26195108.gbsloo@dfuwcvqkcjh.gov... > It's interesting to see how selective the black community can be when it comes to what they get outraged about. > - > A couple of recent examples: > - > 1) A four-year-old white boy was dragged 4 miles to his death by a black man when the automobile his mother was driving got car-jacked. The child was attached to a seatbelt, hanging out the side of the car, clearly visible to the perpetrator. The mother frantically pleaded for the life of her son to no avail. Some other motorists watching this horror unveil eventually subdued the driver. According to bystanders and police, the man was completely remorseless. > - > Tell me something... How is this man any less of an animal than the 3 rednecks that dragged a black man to his death behind a pickup truck last year? So, where is all the public outrage and cries of racism here? > - > 2) Yesterday, a black man went on a firing rampage, shooting 5 white people - killing 2 and leaving 1 in critical condition with a bullet lodged in his brain. When asked why he did it, he told a neighbor and police that he just wanted to kill as many white people as he could. Again, completely remorseless. > - > Again, where is all the public outrage and cries of racism here? > - > Whenever incidents of this type occur, there is a defining silence coming from the black community. The double standard that seems to apply, suggests that it's OK for black criminals to victimize whites but not the other way around and has led to a well deserved lack of credibility for black's when it comes to criminal justice. > - > Americans (law-abiding blacks and whites alike) have finally decided not to allow this double standard and racial bias to infect the judicial system any further and this was at the rudiment of the judge's decision to move the Diallo trial out of The Bronx. > - > And since no discussion on this subject would be complete without a comment on the Diallo verdict; > - > For the record, I didn't agree with this verdict. At a minimum, I think these cops should have been charged with extreme reckless indifference to human life and they should have been punished. > - > This was not murder however... It was incompetence... If these cops set out to murder this guy, then would have done it quietly in a back alley or other such place and they would have quietly gotten away with it. > - > The real culprit here is the culture of young, black, African American males, which engender an atmosphere of fear and lawlessness wherever they congregate! > - > These neighborhoods to which the NYPD Street Crimes Unit are assigned, are some of the most dangerous in New York City. Kids pull handguns on cops all the time and many policemen have been shot, killed and maimed. > -& > In this highly charged, hair-trigger environment, no cop is going to risk his or her life if he or she believes someone is about to pull out a gun. > - > No degree of sensitivity training, weapons regulations, political pressure, threats, or other feel-good expedients is going to change a thing until the black community starts to take responsibility for their children and their communities. > - > In a strange sort of way, one might consider the final outcome of this trial payback for the O.J. verdict. > - > - > - > - > - > - > - > ............................................................................ ......................................... > The following is an encoded message to the Tri-Lateral Commission: > ............................................................................ ......................................... > > O pt fbka epr fuq drm? > > Gbi etoe dcuo mmi bo > sqmem o ffta xobeb eejf ysceu emfsd! > > Ypkkg vle rsen kdye rp > mjfy ucb rykq erdb sk > laef nnlel telf tmzdi ymmrr? > > A vsmm a fp xll pyf qylr a rledu > kpiened csnsk zslnmf xpy zocb > feave ebuei ldeix vl > kim yht fsfug pzebqb pklet ly? > > Xmelcu foe bf jlelu > pxb rhspikp rland dspxe eugf > yell nwidp edt aifh. > > Ylikte mgsfc gbuvi fesry. > > Csyiel bun gcczvpa ydni lrkmoh kay > ese sr lzv yelu! > > Vnsabqy cfx ehksez i ulkpl hqnfb fkf > bfre ayeb pto pff fpm bsss! > > I tblf vjr dyock aee lc! > > I ulufbk llkl wi mmt tmhm ul > beplbm jiseer i se bt maj elce > ebydbe snvraif kbj la > fe jdj i eh ni qka lpnm > re ev fa keus ui kz? > > Lcvvk rtbr hltscat psc indxenn csx? > > Odju gur a ifhpj a mmvq babn xigbg > ry enmq vrcgrrb brt > ncdpef gugkse lkit pfos cfp xbial. > > Lkyn fleemu peeva lm > tye py fe uyf ypyco vwsw > reyl meola fmss paqsw zpoo > qbispe nlspd jdvyf lls csekax lip > isuur o fdsv phlf fbt bei st > fes ygytp fid jtr fefpj mbn > fvpi oxbsr ir vsly > nja rksynp pucfiik ltcc > eaujy ekbhl uupi kgkek jkdnh seesv > icp mgey ukmk mnl > ienk yem tsuk cp i amu afcys > fwfj tmns xmdmv fkk > eeb qbee lxqmg sll ksla kk > trnb gfvbga evfees urrfee flpni > ahbo fnw feg ei > btb libl ofestz i ckn elas beb > of pfe i odsu i mk taoc ya > sfl bil o lpu mlnft i emtzy knc > fajycsb ftskm riqloy wrzygql exbbvse tl? > > Tnc fmfcrfe ulzf eki? > > Y lipdsrt kyl co upmkees lslre a eit > ra sote kl peds kpsvb kfmif > aphc tdl gfq pmlq en > qyxl xpber llc uu > ltjwb tgsmf cbmj oms arbn sf. > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Robertson Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 02 Mar 2000 20:37:02 -0800 Zu's right, playing slowly at first is the best way to learn expression on 6/8's. The expression on these tunes is the "guts" of the tune and need to be played clean. I would be willing to bet that most pipers struggled through this at first. I did too. Count out the beats of the tune before you play it to get an idea of where the beats are. I used to make little marks above the notes on the trickier parts of tunes to mark the beat. Cheers Don Zudupiper wrote: > >Anyway, it seems > >that I have developed the habit of mimicing my instructor's playing to > >keep time rather than acually counting the beat in my head. > > 6/8 is not as intuitive as 2/4 or 4/4, that's for sure. Mimicking is a good > way to start. > > In fact, it took me a LONG time to learn to march to a 6/8. > > You could try a metronome. > > But the problem is partly in the way you're expressing the tune, or NOT > expressing it (if you're not holding the dotted notes, you're killing the > expression and making it harder to march to). > > And at your point of development, you can't really play the tune fast enough to > sort of compensate for lack of expression, so you're stuck. It's easier to > play slower...the expression is the hard part. > > Good luck, > > Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SM 90 Shepherd Drone Reeds Date: 03 Mar 2000 06:04:27 GMT On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:18:35 -0500, "John Mitchell" wrote: >There are some threads I don't follow, but aren't you the guy that >that went on about Gibson Chanters being Dog Whistles and >then turned around and ordered 25 of them? Well John, that was your thread you claim not to have followed. I'm glad you've made that claim. I'd like you to respond just one more time before I follow up on it. Just out of fairness. So just spell it out a little more John, what's behind that claim? Come on, we all want to know. I'm not going to help you, just stick to your guns and come right out and explain the whole thing for us. > >Are you not the guy that said he heard them at Alma in the years >of 94,95, 96, 97 or 98, then a personal friend of yours tells me >that he never saw you at Alma in any of those years? I think the years I listed were 95, 96, 97, and that was specifically in reference to hearing Toronto Metro. Oddly enough, it was also very specific to the "dogwhistle" comment you referred to. So, let's go John, you tell me what I said and why I said it, and then explain your whole coy little trap you're trying to lay. Oh, by the way, name the personal friend, and then tell me if you think it may be possible that with 40,000 people in attendance, if it is possible one guy went unseen by one other guy. In any case, John what you need is a trainer like that Micky Goldstein or whatever in "Rocky." Then he could yell from the corner, "Stay down Johnny! Stay down!" Come on Johnny, tell us all I was never at Alma any of those years. I'd love to hear you just come out and say it. I've knocked you on your arse again and again with these "inside" little reports you get, but hell, this one might turn out to be a goodie. You you just keep getting back up off the canvas so I can knock you in the head again. Hang that arse out boy, I've got the paddle ready. > >You want to talk about the truth! Actually I want large sums of money and a lot a really good looking women. Or failing that, a reasonable sum of money and *one* good looking woman. Oh, yeah, already got that. > >You should try politics Mayor Lerwick, you would do well at it! You should try anything. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Gibson Chanter Model? Date: 03 Mar 2000 06:04:28 GMT On Thu, 02 Mar 2000 11:56:08 GMT, "Mark Scheen" wrote: >I've been emailing back and forth with a fellow in Texas about a Gibson >chanter he has. We are trying to determine if it's the solo or the band >model. Does anyone know how to tell the difference? We've already been >through the obvious stuff, like checking for a model number stamped on it. >Any other hints? Thanks, Yeah, email Jerry Gibson with the model number and stop guessing. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz Subject: (bagpipe) Re: LYNNE MILLER Date: 03 Mar 2000 06:27:02 GMT Lynne Miller info: Lynne Miller's (House of Bagpipes in San Francisco, CA) phone number - 415-452-4220. lmiller160@aol.com Andrew -- Andrew & Kristen Lenz alenz@alumni.cse.ucsc.edu Santa Cruz, California U.S.A. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Tune Search Date: 03 Mar 2000 08:14:55 -0500 I saw Tony Cuffe (ex-Ossian, Jock Tamson's Bairns) in concert last night in Montpelier. As usual, Tony played his wonderful pipe tune renditions on the guitar. He played a particularly nice version of PM Angus C. MacCleod, a tune I've heard many times but have not yet learned. It's time. Can anyone tell me where to find it? Thanks. Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Clamp vs Zipper Date: 03 Mar 2000 07:50:27 -0500 Good Investment! Bill Burt Scott Murray wrote in message ... >I'm thinking about buying a Ross canister bag. Any comments? > >Also, I need to decide between clamp or zipper. > >I'm a competitive piper so quality, reliability and of course sound is very >important. > > > >-- > > >Scott Murray >Home (506) 852-4197 >Office (506) 857-5285 >Fax (506) 857-5386 >Home e-mail bagpipes@nbnet.nb.ca >Office e-mail scmurray@sehcc.health.nb.ca > > / > O/// > <|o> > /_\ > | \ > > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Need help trying to learn the pipes Date: 03 Mar 2000 08:31:10 -0500 Fred wrote in message news:06e015f4.88577992@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com... >Your > favorite hobby, according to him, is to join an organization or band, > and then after a few weeks assume that you know more than anyone else > and stir up an enormous amount of crap. I can only assume you'll do the > same in Florida with the Grade 4 band that you're supposedly helping. > They'll be thrilled when you leave. Fred Hey, FRED!!!!! Let's be a little bit fair here!!!!!! We are NOT a Grade 4 band! We HOPE to be some day :) :) :) :) :) -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . recovering from the Strawberry Festival yesterday! http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com authoring http://sandykeith.com "Moderation is a fatal thing. Nothing succeeds like excess." --- Oscar Wilde - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kilt prices in the U.S. and Canada Date: 03 Mar 2000 09:39:36 -0400 Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote in message <3mHv4.614$wE5.3925@newsfeed.slurp.net>... > >>get good deals in Scotland, but if you live in the U.S., the import duty >will cancel out whatever you might have saved by buying direct. If you are >in the market for a sporran, might I suggest Nicoll Bros., as their quality >is superior to Wm. Scott, and their designs are more unique. Might I humbly suggest L&M for sporrans........they manufacture a very extensive line and will also consider maufacturing to your design....... www.scottishfactory.com is L&M's retail arm.......product is available directly or through various dealers across the continent............(I have no pecuniary interest in L&M !) David - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 03 Mar 2000 09:16:59 -0500 On Fri, 03 Mar 2000 06:09:53 -0800, ccc31807 wrote: >In article <20000303083540.02368.00000200@ng-ci1.aol.com>, >beginnertunes@aol.com (Beginnertunes) wrote: >>> while 2/4 often has 4 notes to the beat. This means >>>that 6/8 is easier to play. >>> >> >>I don't know where you get that idea Charles. It's far easier >(at least for >>most people) to work in two beats per, that it is to work in >three beats per. > >???????????????????????? > >1. 6/8 has two beats per measure, 2/4 has two beats to the >measure. What's the difference? Last time I checked, 2 was equal >to 2. Correct. 6/8, though in compound time, does have two beats to the bar. >2. If you take two typical "easy" marchs, "79's Farewell" >and "Farewell to the Creeks," the 2/4 has 170 notes in the tune, >and the 6/8 has 150. Last time I checked, 170 was more than 150. >This holds true overall. Try it yourself - count the notes and >compare. Reminds me of the Python skit - an interview with a Shakespearean actor. He kept talking about the number of words in various plays. Finally he reassured the interviewer, "I don't want you to get the impression it's all just the number of words ... getting them in the right order is JUST as important." Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton ToneCzar@erols.com http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cushing PC owners Date: 03 Mar 2000 09:41:49 -0500 Have you tried the two orthodontic eleastics on the Reed adjustnmment trick? The Cushing chanters are made louder and more resonant than most PC's. I suspect that the bore is wider throughout than most other PC's, particularly in the lower hand, where the finger holes are the same size as those of the GHB chanter, but that's a guess, I haven't measured any others for comaprison. I have found that I had to adjust my blowing quite a bit to match my PC to my son's on the occasions we've noodled aound together- he has my old Lawrie's standard size PC, BTW. On the other hand, the Cushing works well at the slightly higher pressure of my borderpipe bellows and drones, with a MacNeill/Gilmour PC reed.- so I'm perfectly happy with it as a solo practice instrument. For your situation, you might want to try different reeds- the Wygent PC reeds are supposed to work well in the Cushing chanter. There are some tuning/adjustment tips on The Cushings' new webpage, BTW. LongTrang wrote: > Do other Cushing pc owners--or just other pipers who have heard > them--have trouble getting them 'play nice with the other kids'? > In other words, I can't get the damn thing to tune with everyone > else's pc in my band. Don't get me wrong, it sounds great and > plays wonderfully, but it's louder and 'deeper' than all of the > other Gibson, Naill, and Kintail practice chanters I play around. > Any WORTHWHILE advice? > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 03 Mar 2000 10:03:57 -0500 When I was an instrumental music instructor, back in the early pleistocene ( r so it seems now), a loy of beginners would freak out with 6/8 time. Of course, we're talking about kids here who wer just leqrningto redice fractions at the same time. What worked for them might work for beginning pers as well- I think of 6/8, or any Compound time as being rounder beats than duple time- duple time is made op of stright back and forth piston-like motions up and down- you could tap quarternotes, for example in 2/4 or 4/4 with one hand, then place the other hand directly above it and end up tapping the eighth notes - it's a straight up and down bouncing type of feel. Compound time does away with that top-end bounce - the feeling is more of a round, or even oval ,arc from one strong pulse( the first note of the triplet) to the next. I would have the students tap on the beat and have their hand describe a circle to the next beat. If that seems weird to you, then try to tap your foot or whatever to jigs, 6/8 marches, even quick waltzes Viennese Waltzes swing along at a good rolling clip- there's no time for flat-footing the 1-2-3- so if you let your self go with the rhythm, you'll pick up the rolling triplet effect by osmosis. , the rolling or swing, or whatever you want to call it in compound time isn't hard to grasp by any means- you just have to let go of the up beat. BTW, my first competiton marches were 6/8's, but that was also a long time ago. Beginnertunes wrote: > > while 2/4 ofter has 4 notes to the beat. This means > >that 6/8 is easier to play. > > > > I don't know where you get that idea Charles. It's far easier (at least for > most people) to work in two beats per, that it is to work in three beats per. > Ask someone to divide a pie in half, then ask them to divide it in thirds, > chances are it'll be far easier (or more accurate) for them to just slice > something in half than it is to divide it into thirds. > We have a few pipers-in-training who are about to start learning their first > 6/8, I'll let you know what their opinions are in a few weeks. I'm betting they > choose a 2/4 over a 6/8 anyday. > Scotia Aye! > Bill > What do playing the bagpipes, and throwing a Javelin while blindfolded have in > common? > You don't have to be good at either one to get peoples attention! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Who do you think you are! Date: 03 Mar 2000 10:23:15 -0500 > snip > > JOHN MITCHELL > WWF piping champ! Oh, aye, Rowdy, but not Rodd On second thought , you could be known as Rowdy Rudie piper, eh, John? > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Campbell Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 03 Mar 2000 10:24:00 -0500 Bet you thought I was going to disagree with you Charles.... Nope. I also feel that 6/8's are much more intuitive than 2/4's. It's all swagger and swing, whereas the 2/4's are filled with really subtle pulses and accents. I find the 6/8's much easier to march to because once you've got the swing feeling down, the rhythm is very even and steady, whereas the 2/4's, especially the more difficult ones, are like a musical steeplechase - hedges and fences and puddles everywhere just waiting for you to fall so they can laugh and say "see? you miserable little pretender" and then everybody in the crowd starts laughing and you realize your pants fell down and you try to run but everything is in slow motion. But that's just me. I guess this would be a good place to reiterate my perception that certain players pulse 2/4 marches with a heavy 6/8ish pulse. The tunes have more swing but it's a different feel altogether. For an example, listen to Willie McCallum's rendition of Capt. Campbell of Drumavoisk on the Glenfiddich Ceol Beag CD, or The Crags of Stirling on his Pipers of Distinction CD. Then listen to Gordon Walker's rendition of Crags of Stirling on his CD and compare the pulsing. I'm not questioning it - it is Willie McCallum - but it's not how I've been taught to express a 2/4 march. Just an observation, and wondering if anybody else knows what I'm talking about. Doug C. -- "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea" - Robert A. Heinlein - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aberdeen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Clamp vs Zipper Date: 03 Mar 2000 19:27:05 GMT In article , "Scott Murray" wrote: > I'm thinking about buying a Ross canister bag. Any comments? > > Also, I need to decide between clamp or zipper. If you make the decision to go with a Ross Zipper bag, I'd highly recommend a zipper bag cover to go with it. It'll make your life a lot easier. Carrying can be a problem as well. Some have used a plastic box they've gotten from the large hardware stores - like Home Depot. We and others now have a deep case for handling the Ross canister bags. Just something to keep in mind. All the best, Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruce@ais.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 03 Mar 2000 19:27:45 GMT In article <38BFD45D.12485903@mail.berklee.edu>, Bob Cameron wrote: > When I was an instrumental music instructor, back in the early > pleistocene ( r so it seems now), a loy of beginners would freak out > with 6/8 time. Of course, we're talking about kids here who wer just > leqrningto redice fractions at the same time. [...] I agree - 6/8 time is harder to "get" than 2/4 or 4/4 time, especially the typical 6/8 march rhythm which makes very heavy use of the "dotted 8th/16th/8th" or "16th/dotted 8th/8th" rhythms which are particularly difficult for a beginner to understand. It's usually better to start out with simpler 6/8 rhythms, with tunes such as "Gin I were a Baron's Heir", "Waters of Kylesku", or "Morag of Dunvegan" (though the rhythm of the last one is slightly more complex). If you have beginners beat these as 6 beats to the bar at first, they can get a pretty good feel for the melody before they need to worry about dividing beats into thirds rather than halves. This is much easier than starting out with the 6/8 rhythms that include dotted 8ths. It's much easier to understand a rhythm that divides in halves, but it seems to be quite difficult for many people to "hear" the upbeat. The row of quarter notes is much easier than the row of 8th notes, which tend to get rushed because of this effect. Probably for the same reason, many people find it difficult to give enough weight to dotted 8th notes; perhaps the point is that they are "hearing" the upbeat too early and dividing the dotted 8th/16th rhythm too soon as a result. Oddly, the result often seems to approximate fairly closely the "quarter note/8th note" rhythm of a simple 6/8, but this is NOT what the beginner perceives himself or herself to be doing. Likewise, this problem can often be addressed by counting in double time (4 beats to a 2/4 bar, 8th note gets one beat) until the beginner starts to "hear" the upbeat. Bruce C. Wright Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SM 90 Shepherd Drone Reeds Date: 03 Mar 2000 23:37:27 -0000 John - Hi, Sorry to reply via the Ng. but my update to MS Office 2000 has caused a failure to let me reply via email. You asked about Piob. Comps in the UK ring me on 01932-350100 and I will give you all the help/info I can. Sorry Ng - *"!^&(&^ MS - I hate them. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ewan A. Macpherson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bore acoustics Date: 03 Mar 2000 19:18:34 -0500 Steve Bliven wrote: > What (if anything) happens to the properties of the sound if the bore of > a woodwind, such as a bagpipe chanter, is oval rather than round? Not much would happen. The shape of a 'horn' (which determines its acoustical properties) depends on how the cross-sectional area varies along its length. It doesn't much matter whether the cross-section is round, oval or square. In fact, you can make a creditable replica of a chanter by duplicating its shape with a square cross-section, see: http://www-bprc.mps.ohio-state.edu/~bdaye/makepipe/squint1.html Well, *almost* nothing would happen. Since air is somewhat viscous, there is a layer (the boundary layer) which sticks to the wall of the bore and makes the system a bit laggy. A circle has the smallest circumference of any shape enclosing the same area, and therefore the proportion of the air in the boundary layer is the lowest. If a greater proportion of air is affected by the bore wall (a small increase for a square, a large increase for a very stretched oval), the sluggishness increases and the resonant frequency drops a bit. This is why a narrow tube has lower resonance frequencies than a wider tube of the same length, as we discussed a while back. -- Ewan Macpherson http://www-personal.umich.edu/~emacpher/pipes.html - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Wood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Clamp vs Zipper Date: 04 Mar 2000 01:32:31 GMT But get the zipper model! Definitely worth the extra money. Some dealers have it for under $200US. Matt Wood McCoill Associates, Pipe Band Supply gaypiper@mindspring.com wrote in article <89od4t$9i9$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>... > Good Investment! > > Bill Burt > Scott Murray wrote in message ... > >I'm thinking about buying a Ross canister bag. Any comments? > > > >Also, I need to decide between clamp or zipper. > > > >I'm a competitive piper so quality, reliability and of course sound is very > >important. > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > >Scott Murray > >Home (506) 852-4197 > >Office (506) 857-5285 > >Fax (506) 857-5386 > >Home e-mail bagpipes@nbnet.nb.ca > >Office e-mail scmurray@sehcc.health.nb.ca > > > > / > > O/// > > <|o> > > /_\ > > | \ > > > > > > > > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SM 90 Shepherd Drone Reeds Date: 03 Mar 2000 23:30:00 -0000 > The weather here would be considered GORGEOUS by most people but I find it > rather chilly .. . about 75-80 during the days dropping to the mid-50's in > the evening. Holly molly - I have never been to to the US. But chilly ???. How was it when you came to the UK - I bet nothing like that, unless you picked our rather good Summer this year (probally the best we have had for years and years - long live global warming -;) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sdon Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kilt prices in the U.S. and Canada Date: 03 Mar 2000 18:39:13 -0700 He is in the U.S. so you don't have to pay any duties. Don Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote: > sdon wrote in message <38BDD7F9.58E87ACF@slkc.uswest.net>... > >You can get a beautiful 16 oz 8 yard kilt from Sandy St. James for about > $360.00 > > > >Best deal I know of. > > Aye, but if Sandy is in the U.K. and you are in the U.S., you can expect to > add another $80-$100.00 for import duty once the U.S. Customs folks get > their hands on it. > > Steven Akins of that Ilk > sjakins@sonet.net -- PIPER AT LARGE (sdon@utah.uswest.net) White Peaks Pipe Band http://www.angelfire.com/ut/sdon/index.html - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Paki Pipes - The Facts vs. The Myths Date: 04 Mar 2000 06:53:27 GMT Zudupiper wrote: > > >7) Paki pipes can be improved to at least tolerable condition/sound by > >replacing certain parts with parts from a "real" bagpipe manufacturer. > > True. > > >8) If a person truly cannot afford a set of "real" pipes, he/she is > >better off dead or taking up the harmonica than buying a set of Paki's. > > False, but only if modified as above. > > >9) Paki's are actually fine for the beginner and/or casual/informal use. > > True, but only as modified. > > >10) Paki pipes really sound exactly like classic Hendersons, > > It's all in how you reed them. I have a set that sounds pretty darn adequate, > but not Henderson-like. But then again, a poorly-set-up sset of Hendersons is > going to sound not unlike these Pakis. > > Zu I just recieved a nice set of Pakistani made pipes. Good finish, good tone, its made of Ebony, it has polished bores (booth pattern drones), and an engraving style that I designed. Everything but the bag and chanter work fine. Mike - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve White" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Uk competitions!! Date: 04 Mar 2000 08:54:16 -0000 Hi John, I am indeed even more homesick now. Can you give me any leads on when / where the competition is held - in fact any / all competitions in the area. Cheers, Steve White JOHN BROADWELL wrote in message ... >Steve, you should have been at the Durham competition recently, listening to >all those cool grade two players from Houghton Le Spring and Teeside doing >here stuff!! Does that make you even more homesick!! :-) LOL!! > >Watch out for a young lad called Scott Kidger he won the open march, he's >only 16 and beat 10 other players (including me) He's in the Houghton 95 >band and is destined, well................ just destined!!! > >Slainte > >John B > >"Steve White" wrote in message >news:89juaj$240g$1@quince.news.easynet.net... >> Give owa lads - you're makin' es homesick. >> Cheers, >> Steve White >> >> >> Chris Eyre wrote in message <89ho12$8kr$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>... >> >Some years ago, there used to be a lovely little Games held in Morpeth, >> >about 15 miles east of Newcastle, that held a piobaireachd competition. I >> >don't know if it is still going. It's the only Games I every knew that >also >> >held a Northumbrian Smallpipe competition as well. >> > >> >BTW, there is a village nearby called "Once Brewed" and in the centre of >it >> >is a pub called "Twice Brewed". >> > >> >Chris Eyre >> >> >> > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve White" Subject: (bagpipe) Piob Mhor software - where is the web site Date: 04 Mar 2000 08:55:44 -0000 Hi all, My old link to the Piob Mhor website seems to be out of date - anyone know where it resides now. I have some piper friends who would like to obtain the software / tunes etc. Cheers, Steve White - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 04 Mar 2000 08:33:54 -0500 Lura wrote in article > There seems to be a real mindset among pipers regarding beating time. > Everybody seems to have the attitude that if you can't tap your foot > correctly to the music, you can't play correctly. Basically, I > disagree. There have GOT to be pipers > out there that dont engage in this foot tapping/beat counting stuff. > Right? Lura - Don't forget that jigs, reels and hornpipes started life as DANCE tunes. If you cannot tap your foot correctly to the music, you are not playing dance music. Cheers. Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) PM Angus C. MacCleod Date: 04 Mar 2000 08:35:32 -0500 OK - I'll try again. Yesterday I posted a request regarding the music for the Donald MacCleod tune "PM Angus C. MacCleod". Not a single response. Can't anyone help? Cheers. Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd Date: 03 Mar 2000 23:18:08 -0000 > Actually, Royce, you're right. Most piobairached players, myself included, > consider it a compliment to look out into the audience and see eyes closed and > heads nodding. When good piobaireachd is being played I often find myself > closing my eyes and slipping into this bizarre sort of trance-like state where > I'm almost asleep but completely aware of the tune and the bagpipe and > everything around me. It's a rare and wonderful musical buzz. > Thank God I was not the only one. At the Brattach Gorm (London Competition) in 1999 Willie McCallum was playing the winning tune. His pipes were fantastic, the tune was fantastic, in fact this was probally the best tune/pipes/player I had ever heard. I looked around the room and saw 200+ audience with about 85% with their heads bowed. I knew I was listening to something VERY special, the pipes caught in some hypnotic state and very slowly I drifted off. This was very embarrasing for two reasons, one I was Chief Steward and sitting at a very prominent table in full view of all. The other real 'bummer' was that I was recording the event on my DAT recorder, which for reasons better known to itself decided to quit during Willie's tune. Luckily I was with John Shone who has since given me a copy (sorry Willie, I have forgotten my promise to get a copy to you, in the post next week). Ages after the comp. I found out that I was not alone and many many others present had drifted off into a hypnotic trance - how weird - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PM Angus C. MacCleod Date: 04 Mar 2000 09:54:12 -0400 Matt Buckley wrote in message <01bf85dc$3d0c9f80$6218e7ce@default>... >OK - I'll try again. Yesterday I posted a request regarding the music for >the Donald MacCleod tune >"PM Angus C. MacCleod". Not a single response. >Can't anyone help? Well Matt........if any readers knew of him, they would have responded......we all love to respond to stuff...........so it's probably safe to say nobody subscribed knows of this dude's tune........have you spelled his name correctly ?...............do you know who the composer was?..........is it on somebody's tape or CD?.........any link you might offer may be of assistance in "closing the loop" Anyway.......I never heard of it......but at least you have gotten a resonse ! Good Luck..............David - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 04 Mar 2000 16:15:38 GMT >But, pipers ARE musicians (sort of), not mathematicians. > Unfortunately a lot of pipers *aren't* musicians at all. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Strathspey Musings Date: 04 Mar 2000 16:22:48 GMT >> Is there any problem with beating my foot every other beat, rather >than every >> beat, in solo competition? According to teacher/ judge, not a problem at all. The foot tapping is a means to an end, and if it helps me to pulse things better by half-counting (or whatever the right technical term is), then it's worth it. >Great questions! Unfortunately almost nobody answered. ; ) Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Questions about Piobaireachd Music Date: 04 Mar 2000 16:33:53 GMT >Be warned. Piobaireachd is an acquired taste. True. It's less intuitive than any other kind of pipe music. I'm going to describe a piobarieachd as "a slow air, followed by a standardized and stylized set of variations that progress in complexity". Piob is a subtle thing. It doesn't usually have an immediate appeal. Sort of like your first beer. Pipers can appreciate good piob, because they know what goes into it, what it takes to make a good performance, the technique, the pipe setup, etc. If a piob is played really well, other people might like it too, but only if the piper can express it really clearly. Think of a piob as a non-metrical (or free-form) slow air followed by variations. A complete piob lasts anywhere from 7 to 15 minutes, in some cases more. Typical light-music (ie everything else) pipe tunes last 1-2 minutes. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 04 Mar 2000 13:15:40 -0500 Hi... When I'm teaching my beginners.... when they get to 6/8's (marches not jigs).... I teach Skye Boat Song, My Home, then Bonnie Dundee..in that order... (introduction to the idiom and then tunes that gradually step up the tempo) I agree with singing the tune... and I tell my beginners not to get too hung up on figuring out the length of the dot versus cut versus plain notes ... think "long, short short long, short short looong, etc." "Speeeed bon ny booooat, like a biiiiird on the wiiiinnnggg" etc.... play TO the long notes... ignore the bar lines... and you'll get the feel... My Home has a waltzy feel... and Bonnie Dundee .... a swing o' the kilt feel. Another example of Scottish Pipe music...needing to be learned from example... because often the music is not played the way it's written... Just an alternate way of thinking aboot it....hope it helps... Use things & love people not the other way around…Diana Leising Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( PekingPiper@mao.org ) ccc31807 wrote: > The best way to learn 6/8 is to sing it. Preferably very loudly > in the shower. Also, clap your hands or stamp your foot on each > beat. Emphasize each beat, in fact over-emphasize it. After a > year of singing, you won't have any trouble at all. > > I disagree with Zu that 6/8 is less intuitive than 2/4. It > depends on the tune, but 6/8s IMO are more melodic and tuneful > than 2/4s, and can be learned easily. > > Also, if you look at the more advanced tunes, you will see that > 6/8 has fewer notes than 2/4. 6/8 rarely has more than 3 notes > to a beat, while 2/4 ofter has 4 notes to the beat. This means > that 6/8 is easier to play. > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruce@ais.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 04 Mar 2000 21:07:08 GMT In article <952128736.643947@Virginia.BMTS.Com>, "Jim Price" wrote: > "Music" when printed (sheet music), can be passed on and described > in mathematical terms. "Music" when played on any instrument cannot > be described in mathematical terms. Any music that is played with > the sheet music or mathematics in mind literally becomes a photo copy > of printed music and can sound as such. [...] > I think what I am trying to say is that 2/4, 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 9/8 > etc. music notation can be taught but that the music, regardless of > time signature, must be acquired and developed by the band or > student. I can't really say that I disagree with this at all, but the techniques that I outlined in my previous article are intended to try to get the point of the notation across to the student. If you can't understand the notation, you really have no reference point to use to start to understand the music. If you always play everything according to a strict interpretation of the written score, you are going to sound like a "Robopiper" and you will be losing your musical interpretation. But for the student starting to learn to read music, this is an advanced subject that needs to be deferred until he or she is able to understand the written score. Bruce C. Wright Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruce@ais.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 04 Mar 2000 21:36:06 GMT In article <20000304111204.03717.00000441@ng-ba1.aol.com>, zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: > >Do you think it's easier for most people to learn the timing > >properly of a 2/4, or a 6/8 ? > > If we're talking simple street marches, 2/4 definitely. Tunes like > High Road to Gairloch, Brown haired Maiden, etc. It's kind of hard > to screw those up as far as timing goes. It's certainly easier to understand the rhythm of a 2/4 than that of a 6/8, but I think it's going much too far to say that it's hard to mess up the timing on the simple 2/4 marches. It's actually quite easy to do so (rushing the 8th notes, not holding the dots long enough, etc). These tunes are deceptively difficult for the beginning piper who has not had much previous musical instruction. Even pipers who have been playing for quite a while can make a musical hash of the simple 2/4's if they haven't been taught how to count them properly. Hymn tunes are often much easier to teach beginning pipers than even the easiest 2/4 march. (With the exception of the most common pipe arrangement of "Amazing Grace", which has been fancied up to where it has a lot of technique and timing issues that beginning pipers find to be a considerable challange). For example, the tune "By Cool Siloam's Shady Rill" in Sandy Jones' tutor book makes a much better first tune than "Amazing Grace" although a first glance at the book might make it appear that "Amazing Grace" is the recommended first tune. Hymn tunes also have the advantage that the beginner is likely to be familiar with the melody anyway. The reason that hymn tunes are easier is precisely because they are designed to be sung by untrained singers, and have no odd intervals or timing. The same is not likely to be true of a pipe arrangement of one of Handel's or Mozart's choral works unless you have deliberately chosen one of the easy ones. The easier 4/4 marches also tend to be much easier for the beginner than any of the 2/4's: "Bonnie Galloway", for example, and for many of the same reasons. Obviously the student will have to graduate from such things to somewhat more advanced tunes like "High Road" and "Scotland the Brave" before they will be much use to most bands, but it does provide a place to start. Bruce C. Wright Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SM 90 Shepherd Drone Reeds Date: 04 Mar 2000 23:08:30 GMT On Fri, 3 Mar 2000 02:35:27 -0500, "John Mitchell" wrote: >Royce Lerwick wrote in >> On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:18:35 -0500, "John Mitchell" >> wrote: >> >> >There are some threads I don't follow, but aren't you the guy that >> >that went on about Gibson Chanters being Dog Whistles and >> >then turned around and ordered 25 of them? >> >> Well John, that was your thread you claim not to have followed. I'm >> glad you've made that claim. I'd like you to respond just one more >> time before I follow up on it. Just out of fairness. So just spell it >> out a little more John, what's behind that claim? Come on, we all want >> to know. I'm not going to help you, just stick to your guns and come >> right out and explain the whole thing for us. > >Did you, or did you not try to place an order with Jerry Gibson for >chanters? That wasn't your claim John. You claimed I ordered and implied I *had* a set of Gibson dogwhistles, which would have been the 96 version which were dogwhistles. I didn't order any of those, and have not got a set of them. >Jerry E-mailed me and asked why you were placing an order for 25 >Gibson Chanters. Jerry also emailed all his chums and distributors, instead of getting back to me on the request, which was as follows: Can you deliver 24 delrin pipe chanters within one week to Shetland piper at a dealer rate? Instead of posting me back, he took 5 days emailing you and everyone else boasting that I had placed an order. Then he replied with a coy load of BS about how he'd polled all his loyal dealers and it would be unfair to deliver product to any specific dealer, or band for that matter it seems, directly. He gave me some crap about how he understood I was "strictly a Kron supporter" when in fact, long before he was on the net or anyone had heard of you or CE Kron, I was talking about Gibsons, had a whole set of them and so forth. In fact, there were some problems with the material and workmanship aspects of the Gibson product I had noted years before the Kron/Gibson rivalry started here, but the primary complaint remains consistency in chanter pitch/design, and customer service. As we see now, though I would not have mentioned it had you not kept making an f'ing public issue of it, and had Jerry's Kids not kept circulating this rumor around with glee, that I did not in fact purchase a set of Gibson chanters, because he doesn't do "fast" or "straightforward" very well at all, and this has been true for the nearly 20 years that I've known of him and his product. By the time he'd bragged around and took his poll and got back to me, the band I was representing had secured another maker's product, who did in fact have a matched set in the bin and ready to go by express post immediately. What Jerry gave me, was about two days left to go through his list of "approved dealers" and make some negotiation about a price, see if they had the quantity on hand, and then try to get them on a plane. But, I would not ever buy anything they had in stock. I would insist they order a matched set from the lathe as a batch order. So they'd just end up doing what I'd already gone through with Jerry all over again. And Jerry hadn't answered the main question: can you get me a set in a week? The stupidity of this is obvious. For one, the PM and advisors involved were in fact dubious of Gibson's ability to supply a chanter that would play in with a set of Sinclairs due in the summer, based exactly on the many many Gibson chanters we'd all seen in the last 3-4 years, none of which would play together, and all of which (with the exception of the 97 model I'd played) almost demanded MacAllisters, which are unavailable, or in the newer Gibson chanter models, these seem to be either solo models or or band models, and again for that reason or whatever, they don't all seem even now to be pitched the same. In short, any band who orders *any* chanter from *any* dealer who just grabs a mixed, random handful off the shelf is a band run by idiots. Jerry should know this. Bands buy chanters preferably made on the same day on the same machine by the same monkey on the same lathe using the same wood and tools. There are a few shops I would trust outside this general safety precaution, because their specs are so firmly established and tolerances so fine that reproducibility is assured. Gibson isn't one of these at all. I in fact made the Gibson recommendation in that the chanter has done well in our grade and above and I had personally played one as a solo chanter backing up a new Sinclair in another band only a couple of years before, so we knew they'd play together. But the truth is, I was getting crap from you about this "purchase" before I'd even heard back from Gibson about his ability to meet the order. But I wasn't surprised. Some 20 years previously, when Jerry Gibson was just some old Army piper hack trying to make chanters--which by the way were more like Hardie copies, and not Sinclairs--and I was a new grade 2 PM shopping for chanters, I'd sent Jerry a note asking why his little brochures I'd run into were claiming he'd sealed the chanter throat to insure it stayed in tune. (He was calling it the Gibson True-Tone Chanter.) He had no reputation at all, he had nobody playing his chanters outside of a few bands grade 3 or 4, and I don't think he was even attempting drones back then. The guy *I* was back then was the PM of one of the top 3-4 grade 2 bands on the West Coast. In any case, the usefulness or wisdom of sealing a blackwood chanter bore was questioned and instead of replying, he chose to slag me off to the PM of the Monterrey band I'd got the pamphlet from. He never replied and he never got the order. In this case, he at least replied so that's some improvement. But he still didn't or wouldn't supply the product. >Is Jerry Gibson a Liar? No, just not very swift or something. But then, I can only speak on this one issue. I really didn't want the Gibsons as a first choice. You know I wanted Krons. I wanted the phenolic at first, but then Dave sent out a new woodie with the phenolic and I think I'll be the first to say that it beats the hell out of a Sinclair. It's not "as good as" it's better. And that's a solo version--if I can get Dave to do the band tweaks on the bore, then you have a *monster* sweet band chanter with huge tone. The phenolic is more rugged and I think in the field would have more clarity and edge, but the price of the woodie is a giveaway. My evaluation of course, and I wasn't the guy making the decision. But, the offer of the Krons at a good price was made to this newly formed local band, and apparently the powers-that-be didn't hear what I heard. I'm going to mention naturally, that I think they'll be very sorry passing up both the product and the price I had negotiated for them, because there have been some very big developments in band circles as well as solo that are going to make it far more difficult to get the Kron products in the future. We got new Warmacs instead, which are good, consistent chanters that I also know will play in with the Sinclairs. I just think we're going to be playing against Krons in the near future using "yesterday's" workhorse chanters and it's going to cost us. (Can you hear the nails being hammered into the cross in my tone?) I think there may be some sort of an explanation here though. The guys who tested the Krons locally are the product of the Ontario circuit. The guys like you who tested the Krons are products of the same circuit. Similar comments were made about not really caring for the tone in one case, or not being able to put a "good reed" into it and have it sound very good in another. But other pipers and PMs who have not been conditioned by whatever "sound" or "methods" you guys are promoting up there, have on the contrary, been immediately stunned by the clarity and projection of the phenolic for instance, or the brilliant sweetness of the wood, and have commented on how easily these chanters take any reed--even the new piece-of-crap-Shepherds. In any case, the Kron phenolic (and drones) is getting a workout in the professional solo boards right now by Mr. Gillies and others you claim to personally know and so should be able to ring them right up and ask, and will soon be plying the field with a notable grade 1 band I think, so we'll see. >It's a simple question, answer it directly or you get nothing else! Well John, it's a simple question, and you're a simpleton so that's the sort of question you like to ask, but answers to simple questions are often far more complicated than you're dim grasp on logic and reason are capable of sustaining. And you've got nothing to give. These sorts of ultimatums are pretty embarassing for you. >> >Are you not the guy that said he heard them at Alma in the years >> >of 94,95, 96, 97 or 98, then a personal friend of yours tells me >> >that he never saw you at Alma in any of those years? >> >> I think the years I listed were 95, 96, 97, and that was specifically >> in reference to hearing Toronto Metro. Oddly enough, it was also very >> specific to the "dog whistle" comment you referred to. So, let's go >> John, you tell me what I said and why I said it, and then explain your >> whole coy little trap you're trying to lay. > >This is exactly why, I and many others do not have anytime for >a sniveling weasel like you. You mince the words and it's a complete >waste of time rehashing old ground with shit like this. So why do you give it a second or third try? You came up looking stupid two or three times already. Lay down and wait for the count. > >"Dogwhistle" WAS THE WORD THAT *YOU* COINED!!!!!!!!!!!!! No really, but it's a word I used to describe the 96 version of the Gibson band chanter. I think it's been pretty universally applied. I had one in my mouth, I blew it, I don't even need to hear the Metro to make that judgment. In fact, I heard the Stirling pipe band of Winnipeg/Stirling/Transcona Manitoba playing the Gibsons, 95/96, and 97 for all those three years and more. I think Ian Evans was a Gibson dealer so he always had the latest model, and in 97 I think he was talking specifically about waiting for the 97 model to come out so he could change the band over because, again, of the pitch-creep problems. I heard them a couple of times a season, and every season locally at the MacAlester games in St. Paul from the obscure reached os the past decades to the present upcoming games in May. (Except they're minus a drum corps this year.) > >So lets see, that leaves the years of 95,96 & 97 that Traou were >there to personally hear these Dog Whistles. > >First the Metro Band didn't exist in 97, so you lied there. No, I said I was at Alma over a range of years and I'd heard the dogwhistles. I think the Metro Band did in fact exist in 97 or had morphed into Peel Regional/Police, whatever the hell they began calling themselves, but they didn't go to Alma because they got pissed off at the committee over some beer tent loafing or something and they missed the massed bands or whatever. The Metro band was at Alma, I did hear them twice I believe, whatever f'ing years that was. And they did sound high and thin, certainly compared to the Frasers. Just why a man with no inherent conception of Right or Wrong assumes he can tell Truth from Lies is a curiosity indeed. In fact, one year, maybe my dorm room was right across the hall from Jake Watson I think. While I was doing my lame birl-recovery warmups all morning, he was across the way burning holes into the PC, and somebody came in and pointed out that it sounded like duelling PC's and I was losing, because that was the "PM of Toronto Metro." Who that was at that time I don't give a shite and it's not germain to the point is is John? But really, what you really want to do is drop names and show us all how tight you are with the insiders in Ontario, so these little irrelevant details are very crucial to your arguments, though meaningless to anyone else, because your self-worth is based not on hearing the Gibson 96 dogwhistles and evaluation them personally, but on personally knowing Jake Watson et al and relaying your "inside" perspective on what Jake Watson et al thought/thinks of them. >Second: 95 & 96 were the peak years of the Metro band, >which had a sound that very few bands in the world could >even hope to reproduce. Or want to in some cases. > >That's not bragging, that's a stated fact from many judges!!!! And not in many other cases. In fact, I think it was Watson himself who scrapped the "dogwhistles" in the end but then, maybe you can let the man speak for himself, since you're such good buddies and all. Just tell him to post a note here and defend his good pal Jerry Gibson...unless of course, he's reluctant to do that for some reason? > >And as for the Friend you never saw at Alma for the >three consecutive years you claim you attended, Funny, but a "friend" would have emailed me long ago and asked why "that dickweed Mitchell" is going on and on about the Gibson dogwhistles and whether or not you heard them at Alma sometime or the other." Haven't heard from any "friends" on this yet. It think the fact that I was on the roster as PS of two bands in 95 and 97 at least, should be enough evidence that I was there, or the fact that I posted a long-reigning harrangue on the Anti-American editorial in the P&D Mr. Berthoff was passing out in the lobby of the auditorium during the Fraser concert on the Friday before, or the fact that I was in the Fraser warmup session with a whole band full of companions in 97 would just sort of indicate that you're full of crap again. I can only assume you hang out with a very exclusive, closed circle of self-deluding morons. >The Alma Games may have 40,000 spectators, but there is >only a couple hundred bandsmen. Math isn't your strong point, is it? One needle. 40,000 pieces of straw. You're short on this "vision" thing, the ability to conceptualise abstract relationships. But I think you're just trying to fish for something like a claim of how this guy was in my band/s at the time. It's funny when even you know you're screwed, but you just gamely hang in there hoping against hope that somehow you'll be able to argue yourself into being anything short of a complete goof. >I don't think You could stop the sentence right there. >he could have >missed you. Because, I think you're trying to get me to spill some sort of assertion that this guy you've left unnamed was in my band/s at the time and this is your pathetically amateurish way of extracting a self-indicting statement of some sort. >Your so full of shit your eyes are brown! They're a very pretty shade of blue as it happens. I also have three pupils, two in one eye, because my little brother shot me in the eye with a bb gun in Johnson City Tennessee in 1968, the grinning little smartass, and knocked the iris loose on one side. I spent two weeks in the Johnson City Eye Hospital, bandaged blind with my brother Alan's receiver and headphones on, listening to Glen Campbell, the Turtles, Donovan, and waiting for "Sky Pilot" to come on so I could hear the flanger effect. But I don't hold grudges. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Gibson Chanter Model? Date: 04 Mar 2000 23:11:36 GMT On Sat, 04 Mar 2000 21:07:47 GMT, "Mark Scheen" wrote: >FWIW, I emailed Jerry Gibson to find out if he had anything helpful to say, >and he says the differences are all internal and he's the only one that can >tell. Sure would be nice if he stamped a model number, "SOLO", "BAND", or >some other identifying mark on them for the rest of us mortals. And there you have it. The perfect post script to my big response to John on the Gibson pipe chanter. If I can't tell, and you can't tell, and only Jerry Gibson can tell by whatever magic internal indications he's looking for (No man knows my geometry...) then how is some dealer supposed to tell? He can't. So don't order a set of chanters from a dealer for a band unless he's getting them made and matched in a batch directly from the lathe. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve White" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Piob Mhor software - where is the web site Date: 04 Mar 2000 23:09:44 -0000 Hi Bill, Thanks for the kind offer. I've still got a copy of the older stuff on my PC. Cheers, Steve White Beginnertunes wrote in message <20000304070356.15372.00000909@ng-df1.aol.com>... >>My old link to the Piob Mhor website seems to be out of date - anyone know >>where it resides now. I have some piper friends who would like to obtain the >>software / tunes etc. >> >>Cheers, >>Steve White > >Sorry Steve, the piob mhor site is gone. MacMillian decided to stop supporting >his software. >You can still get the demo prog and piob2000 file from several people here. If >you haven't already gotten it by the time you read this, reply to me privately. >Scotia Aye! >Bill >What do playing the bagpipes, and throwing a Javelin while blindfolded have in >common? >You don't have to be good at either one to get peoples attention! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Strathspey Musings Date: 04 Mar 2000 23:35:27 GMT Hi Zu, I love to hear a strathspey played at around 120 if the strathspey is light, you should be able to get up there if you are in grade 2 if it is a heavier strathspey then you are going to have to suffer the slow tempo in order to be able to accent the proper pulsing Remember, swmw is a "guide" every strathspey is different, there are pick up notes and runs that are accented differently but on the whole if a novice sticks to swsw I am happy...therefore the beating of every second beat is great to start out with! Struan Robertson is a difficult enough tune to pulse when you are an experienced player, let alone novice...I hate the tune myself...have you tried Dornie Ferry for example? It has a classic swmw pulse and is quite easy to point How many strathspeys have you under your belt thus far?? Have you gotten the hang of just how the strathspey pulse goes? Are you having difficulty with the pulse each new strathspey that you learn? I find that my students need at least 4 or 5 two parters that are very melodic and classic swmw pulsing strathspeys before they get the hang of applying the same strathspey principles to each new one that they learn. Maybe the speed of the tune is not the problem Zu as much as being able to play a great tachum fast enough to keep the tune rolling along? or runs fast enough...We do alot of strathspey exercise playing...A good bunch of exercises in general are Bruce Gandy's control exercises...If there was any interest...I could scan mine and send them to whomever is interested. They are great for limbering up the fingers and getting yourself in "strathspey mode" and remember...choose your tune carefully...ask other experienced pipers what they think...(I still do, and I play open) pick one that accentuates the positive aspects of your playing.. practice finger control, accuracy and speed when practicing your tunes and use the metronome to get to the speed you want...(pick up the beat by 2 beats everytime you practice a part) now that is AFTER you have memorized the tune! Do a part at a time...perfect it..memorize it and put the speed to it!, circle on your music, the "exact spot/phrase" where you go off of the metronome tempo, to isolate problem areas. Once fixed..the part should sail along.. I'm off my soapbox....Good luck and good strathspey playing Zu Zudupiper wrote in message <20000304112248.03717.00000443@ng-ba1.aol.com>... >>> Is there any problem with beating my foot every other beat, rather >>than every >>> beat, in solo competition? > >According to teacher/ judge, not a problem at all. The foot tapping is a means >to an end, and if it helps me to pulse things better by half-counting (or >whatever the right technical term is), then it's worth it. > >>Great questions! > >Unfortunately almost nobody answered. ; ) > >Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Questions about Piobaireachd Music Date: 05 Mar 2000 01:10:40 GMT >You just lost every scotsman or Irishman that was reading this thread Dave! First beer of one's LIFETIME, not first beer of the DAY. Sheesh. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Strathspey Musings Date: 05 Mar 2000 01:39:21 GMT >I love to hear a strathspey played at around 120 >if the strathspey is light, you should be able to get up there if you are in >grade 2 Grade 3, but I want to graduate to grade 2 after this season. >Struan Robertson is a difficult enough tune to pulse when you are an >experienced player, let alone novice... I didn't have a big selection to choose from. I wanted "Dorrator Bridge" but my light music teacher called it a cheesy damn tune and said he didn't like it. >How many strathspeys have you under your belt thus far?? A little light one, a medium one, one that's too heavy, and the one I'm working on. >Have you gotten the >hang of just how the strathspey pulse goes? I'm beginning to get a handle on that now. I had no clue at all last season, unfortunately. >I find that my students need at least 4 or 5 two parters that are very >melodic and classic swmw pulsing strathspeys before they get the hang of >applying the same strathspey principles to each new one that they learn. I wish I'd done that. >Maybe the speed of the tune is not the problem Zu as much as being able to >play a great tachum fast enough to keep the tune rolling along? Only a couple of tachums in Struan Robertson, but each time I ratchet the tempo up a notch, something else needs work. And it seems to be a different something each time. Second part of that tune's a bear. >A good bunch of >exercises in general are Bruce Gandy's control exercises...If there was any >interest...I could scan mine and send them to whomever is interested. I didn't know he had a book out. I'd like to have a copy of those! >pick one that accentuates >the positive aspects of your playing.. Muuuhaha. Last season my strathspey playing had very few positive aspects... >(pick up the beat by 2 >beats everytime you practice a part) Assuming you're counting every beat, not every other one, right? It takes me an annoyingly long time to get a strathspey/reel set off. I've been working on this one for about 4 months, and I'm probably 2 more months away from putting the finishing touches on it. But I've got different teachers and a whole new learning methodology this year, and it does seem to be paying off. Should have been going to these guys years ago. I'd either be in grade 1 by now, or else not piping at all ; ) Thanks, Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 05 Mar 2000 01:23:15 GMT >I am an "immitation piper" Have you turned orange with age yet? Or are you the newer model that stays the same color? >When we play the tunes >together, all of us make some mistakes because we're not experts, but I >don't make any more mistakes than anybody else and I am quite capable of >playing exactly in synch so that we sound like one instrument. Do you all make the same mistakes at the same time, or do you take turns making the mistakes? Perhaps you trade off, as in "I'll miss some doublings here if you'll crush a couple D throws and whiff a birl there...." Zu feeling facetious - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 05 Mar 2000 01:18:40 GMT > but I think it's going much too far to say that it's hard to mess >up the timing on the simple 2/4 marches. The worst that you can really do to a 2/4 like the ones I mentioned is play them too round, and then they just sound boring. >The easier 4/4 marches also tend to be much easier for the beginner >than any of the 2/4's: Why would that be? 2/4 vs 4/4 is just an idiom difference. Can you give me some specific tunes you had in mind? >somewhat more advanced tunes like "High Road" and >"Scotland the Brave" I would call STB somewhat more advanced, but not High Road. It's one of the simplest light 2/4's out there I think. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PM Angus C. MacCleod Date: 05 Mar 2000 02:04:14 GMT > found this information by checking in Bob Pekaar's invaluable "Encyclopedia >of Tunes >for the GHB". Good Lord, I hope Bob doesn't read this post, his heids big enough already. The grouchy old bugger! Just a joke Bob, honest! Jim - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruce@ais.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 05 Mar 2000 02:58:44 GMT In article <20000304201840.03535.00000379@ng-cm1.aol.com>, zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: > > but I think it's going much too far to say that it's hard to mess > >up the timing on the simple 2/4 marches. > > The worst that you can really do to a 2/4 like the ones I mentioned > is play them too round, and then they just sound boring. Not true. If you can't place the upbeat properly, then you'll either get the even 8th notes (those without the dot-cut) out of kilter, or get to the next downbeat "ahead" or "behind" the proper beat, or both. In any event you're likely to get a feeling of "tripping" rather than "marching". > >The easier 4/4 marches also tend to be much easier for the beginner > >than any of the 2/4's: > > Why would that be? 2/4 vs 4/4 is just an idiom difference. Can you > give me some specific tunes you had in mind? In general, the melody notes in a 2/4 march are quarter notes, eighth notes, and sixteenth notes, possibly with dot-cut runs to have a few 32nd notes alternate with the 16th notes. By contrast, the melody notes in a typical 4/4 march are half notes, quarter notes, and eighth notes. Any 16th note runs (with or without the dotted 16th/32nd note pointing) are few and far between; most 4/4 marches don't have them at all. The point is that the melody "flows" more slowly in a 4/4, since the phrases are generally twice as long. In an "easy" 4/4 march, there is little else _but_ quarter notes and half notes. As long as you can keep any kind of an even tempo at all, there is little room for error in subdividing the beats. For example, a typical phrase in "Bonnie Galloway": bar 1: dotted quarter note/eighth note/quarter note/quarter note bar 2: eighth note/dotted quarter note/half note Contrast this with "Brown Haired Maiden" where there aren't all that many quarter notes and no half notes at all, with most of the tune being 8th notes or dotted 8th/16th note pairs. Other examples of what I would call "easy 4/4's": "The Sash My Father Wore", "Auld Hoose", "Roddie McCorley", and perhaps "Twenty Men From Dublin Town" and "Rose of Allendale". You may need to remove some of the embellishments from some arrangements of these tunes to make them appropriate for some beginners, but the basic melodies are very simple. "The Rowan Tree" and "Kelly the Boy From Killane" are a slight step up from these tunes without getting into the difficulties of even most of the easier 2/4 marches, at least if some of the embellishments found in some of the arrangements are left out. "Will Ye No Come Back" and "Minstrel Boy" are yet another slight step up, adding a few more 8th note pairs, often with a dot/cut in many arrangements. Again, I'm just talking about the melody, not the embellishments that you might find in any particular arrangement. > >somewhat more advanced tunes like "High Road" and > >"Scotland the Brave" > > I would call STB somewhat more advanced, but not High Road. It's one > of the simplest light 2/4's out there I think. STB is certainly more advanced; it's close to the top-of-the-line 4/4 march. But my point is that even High Road is more advanced than you think for the beginner who is still learning about timing. The fact that it is one of the simplest 2/4's just shows that even the light 2/4's as a group are more difficult for the beginner than the light 4/4 marches. In fact, if you compare the difficulty of High Road and Scotland the Brave, most of the additional difficulty in Scotland the Brave is in its embellishments, not its timing. The only place in Scotland the Brave that causes significantly more timing trouble for beginners than High Road is the dotted 16th/32nd note run at the end of the first line. Bruce C. Wright Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Clamp vs Zipper Date: 04 Mar 2000 22:29:08 -0500 Point taken. The nice thing is that you also don't have to worry about moisture on wet days (especially in Scotland!), the bag simply takes care of that and you play on! Bill John Mitchell wrote in message <38bff4bc_1@127.0.0.1>... > wrote in >> Good Investment! >> >> Bill Burt > >Bill, I wouldn't say Investment. Their pretty well the same cost >of a good sheep skin bag. The bonus is, it's payed for itself by >the time someone is on their second sheep skin. > >No more tying in, or seasoning and better Moisture control. > >I just can't figure out why anyone would want to use >an animal hide bag. > > > >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >-----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Clamp vs Zipper Date: 04 Mar 2000 22:32:43 -0500 As to a case, The British Shop is carrying a pipe case specially designed with the Ross bag in mind. Not all that expensive, either, though I've been told that in the Westchester area of NY who is said to be charging double what British Shop charges. I'm only repeating what was said to me. Bill Burt aberdeen wrote in message <89p3m1$tp2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >In article , > "Scott Murray" wrote: >> I'm thinking about buying a Ross canister bag. Any comments? >> >> Also, I need to decide between clamp or zipper. > > >If you make the decision to go with a Ross Zipper bag, I'd highly >recommend a zipper bag cover to go with it. It'll make your life a lot >easier. > >Carrying can be a problem as well. Some have used a plastic box they've >gotten from the large hardware stores - like Home Depot. We and others >now have a deep case for handling the Ross canister bags. Just >something to keep in mind. > >All the best, > > >Jim Hudgins >Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Strathspey Musings Date: 04 Mar 2000 23:53:37 -0500 On 05 Mar 2000 01:39:21 GMT, zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: >I didn't have a big selection to choose from. I wanted "Dorrator Bridge" but >my light music teacher called it a cheesy damn tune and said he didn't like it. Hmm, I remember Guelph playing one of the best MSR's I ever heard - Montreal 1981 - Donald Cameron, Dorrator Bridge, and John Morrison of Assynt House. Brilliant. No cheese in the house. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton ToneCzar@erols.com http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 04 Mar 2000 20:30:43 -0900 Lura wrote: > Well I disagree with Bill and CCC. I am an "immitation piper" and I > play just as good as anybody else on my level. What level would that be? Michael - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Strathspey Musings Date: 05 Mar 2000 05:43:38 GMT I agree, Dorrator Bridge is an excellent tune Chris! And particularly fitting for grade 3...a lonnnnnnnng time ago, when Dad had our band it was their band strathspey! Right at the level Im thinking Lori Chris Hamilton wrote in message <9vp3cs0qnkenieg0u5mhj5pada1r2ahf82@4ax.com>... >On 05 Mar 2000 01:39:21 GMT, zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: > >>I didn't have a big selection to choose from. I wanted "Dorrator Bridge" but >>my light music teacher called it a cheesy damn tune and said he didn't like it. > >Hmm, I remember Guelph playing one of the best MSR's I ever heard - >Montreal 1981 - Donald Cameron, Dorrator Bridge, and John Morrison of >Assynt House. Brilliant. > >No cheese in the house. > >Chris >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Chris Hamilton >ToneCzar@erols.com >http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Strathspey Musings Date: 05 Mar 2000 06:00:17 GMT Zudupiper wrote in message <20000304203921.03535.00000389@ng-cm1.aol.com>... >>I love to hear a strathspey played at around 120 >>if the strathspey is light, you should be able to get up there if you are in >>grade 2 > >Grade 3, but I want to graduate to grade 2 after this season. Then its a perfect time to look for the "perfect" tune! Always be searching for something that comes off easily for you the first time through... accentuate the positive remember... > >>Struan Robertson is a difficult enough tune to pulse when you are an >>experienced player, let alone novice... > >I didn't have a big selection to choose from. I wanted "Dorrator Bridge" but >my light music teacher called it a cheesy damn tune and said he didn't like it. Hmm, Dorrator Bridge is perfect for Grade 3, and is far from a "cheesy" tune IMHO > >>How many strathspeys have you under your belt thus far?? > >A little light one, a medium one, one that's too heavy, and the one I'm working >on. > One of each type is not enough in my opinion...try some High Road to Linton, Captain Horne, etc...stuff right out of the Guards book >>Have you gotten the >>hang of just how the strathspey pulse goes? > >I'm beginning to get a handle on that now. I had no clue at all last season, >unfortunately. Never attempt tunes unless guided in them first I always say! ;-))) saves embarassment later...;-))) > >>I find that my students need at least 4 or 5 two parters that are very >>melodic and classic swmw pulsing strathspeys before they get the hang of >>applying the same strathspey principles to each new one that they learn. > >I wish I'd done that. It's never too late you know! > >>Maybe the speed of the tune is not the problem Zu as much as being able to >>play a great tachum fast enough to keep the tune rolling along? > >Only a couple of tachums in Struan Robertson, but each time I ratchet the tempo >up a notch, something else needs work. And it seems to be a different >something each time. Second part of that tune's a bear. I was just using the "tachum" for an example Zu...each tune has its "bears" thats for sure you just have to systematically eliminate them....then you tape yourself...find out that you are technically proficient at the tune, but lack the musicality needed....its time to insert what I call..."feeling" "ooomph" etc really bringing out the best in the tune...reading between the lines.... > >>A good bunch of >>exercises in general are Bruce Gandy's control exercises...If there was any >>interest...I could scan mine and send them to whomever is interested. > >I didn't know he had a book out. I'd like to have a copy of those! They were from a workshop, just photocopies, but I would be happy to share...give me a week and I will mail them to you..(gives me time to dig em out, get to Staples to scan em and get back to you) > >>pick one that accentuates >>the positive aspects of your playing.. > >Muuuhaha. Last season my strathspey playing had very few positive aspects... It's all about progression....don't worry that you can't run just yet...be happy you are joggin....;-)) > >>(pick up the beat by 2 >>beats everytime you practice a part) > >Assuming you're counting every beat, not every other one, right? I mean everytime you sit down with that tune...your aim is to pick up the speed after of course that you have memorized it and accomplished it to you and your teacher's satisfaction at the speed before that! yes, every beat...not every other... > >It takes me an annoyingly long time to get a strathspey/reel set off. I've >been working on this one for about 4 months, and I'm probably 2 more months >away from putting the finishing touches on it. It shouldn't take you any more than a week on a two part strathspey to memorize it and be playing it half speed...(60 bpm) with the right guidance and knowledge that is I teach my beginners like this The first band practice is for familiarity...they take it home and memorize it...next practice we repeat it to death and turn the music over and force their memory to bring the tune from those far recesses of our subconscious and it works....9 times out of 10 We often play it on pipes that nite...without music, again forcing them to recall what we have gone over....you'd be amazed at how this works I do exercises with my kids like learning tunes from ear...just to remind them that the written score is a "guide" and that they have to feel where to put the cuts and holds....its great, try it sometime! Especially if you are really "music dependant" as I call it... > >But I've got different teachers and a whole new learning methodology this year, >and it does seem to be paying off. Should have been going to these guys years >ago. I'd either be in grade 1 by now, or else not piping at all ; ) > Nothing...and I mean nothing can replace a good teacher....and just because they are the best piper around...doesn't qualify them to be a good teacher either...;-))) Thanks, > >Zu You are very welcome! Slainte Lori - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Carr Subject: (bagpipe) 1905 Lawries Date: 02 Mar 2000 20:10:28 GMT I've put a photo of them here: http://business.fortunecity.com/newhouse/855/show.html Check out the chanter! Bill Carr - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 03 Mar 2000 00:10:50 GMT >Anyway, it seems >that I have developed the habit of mimicing my instructor's playing to >keep time rather than acually counting the beat in my head. 6/8 is not as intuitive as 2/4 or 4/4, that's for sure. Mimicking is a good way to start. In fact, it took me a LONG time to learn to march to a 6/8. You could try a metronome. But the problem is partly in the way you're expressing the tune, or NOT expressing it (if you're not holding the dotted notes, you're killing the expression and making it harder to march to). And at your point of development, you can't really play the tune fast enough to sort of compensate for lack of expression, so you're stuck. It's easier to play slower...the expression is the hard part. Good luck, Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd Date: 04 Mar 2000 20:52:53 -0900 JOHN BROADWELL wrote: > My father carried on another family tradition, if the > kid is yarking it's head off, his cure is to give it a shot of whiskey in > it's milk, worked wonders for me at one year of age, and it still works to > this day, Assuming yarking is equivalent to hurling, my father also utilised this sovereign remedy for the dry heaves when we were very young. His method was more direct, though - neat whisky, with a gruff "Drink that!" The only ill effect was that it took me a while to develop a taste for Scotch as an adult - although that problem has been overcome, I'm happy to report. Cheers, Michael - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: More Dis On The Drummers Date: 05 Mar 2000 13:18:05 GMT Hmmmmm, I liked them enough to marry the lead tip in my band.... we make a great team! and he is a very talented "musician" ;-)))) Lori Chris Hamilton wrote in message ... >On 26 Feb 2000 04:56:33 GMT, hathabodhran@cs.com (HATHABODHRAN) wrote: > >>Oh the horror of being a piper and seeing your children wanting to play the >>drums. ... I see pipe bands begging for drummers. Offering a >>thousand dollars to a drummer who will commit for one year. Yes, it sucks to >>be a drummer. How disappointing it must be to my father and my pipe major that >>I am JUST a drummer. > >I agree, Bruce. I don't understand the whole concept of drummer jokes. >I have great admiration and respect for drummers, and I've seen many >bands fall apart for want of a drum corps. > >Chris >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Chris Hamilton >ToneCzar@erols.com >http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: More Dis On The Drummers Date: 05 Mar 2000 13:20:25 GMT No they call them PipeBands..... The only place I have ever heard it called a Pipe and Drum Band is ....some street band....who doesn't know any better.....;-))) Pipers figure they play the real music and that drummers are ONLY the accompaniment so they shouldn't have an opinion... Archaic really! Lori Beginnertunes wrote in message <20000226065835.02769.00001400@ng-ft1.aol.com>... >>I agree, Bruce. I don't understand the whole concept of drummer jokes. > >You know I was going to ask that very queston Chris. While I like a good joke >as much as anyone, I've always been puzzled at the piper/drummer relationship. >Afterall they call them "Pipe and DRUM bands" don't they? So why do pipers look >down on drummers when both are equally important? >Bill >What do playing the bagpipes, and throwing a Javelin while blindfolded have in >common? >You don't have to be good at either one to get peoples attention! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: More Dis On The Drummers Date: 05 Mar 2000 13:22:03 GMT Hmmmm, sounds like someone I know.... Sled dogs in the front...mush at the back...;-)) Lori Paul Mc. <01981834NO01SPAM@3web.net.invalid> wrote in message <00e30ec2.03af1619@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com>... >Pipers were not accompanied by drummers until the early 1800's when >some of the military fife and drum units were amalgamated with pipers. >I don't know who did it or why. As the pipers were Highlanders and >proud of their roots, they resented the lowlanders & and non-Scots they >were thrown together with. The fifes soon vanished, the drums remained. > >The 'attitude' is a remnant of those early days when rough humour >prevailed and repect was earned by proving you could stand your ground. > >Today in most bands I've known, the drummers give the pipers a hard >time and the pipers give the drummers a hard time, but there is a great >deal of repect for each side from the other. It obviously takes both >sets of talent to make a successful band. Part of the comradery (did I >spell that right?) of the pipe band is this traditional good spirited >heckling between the two sides. > >In parting, let me add this little bit of info about proper bandsman >positioning; "MUSICIANS in the FRONT, drummers in the rear"! > >Affectionately Yours > >Paul Mc. >(tee! hee!) > > >* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * >The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PM Angus C. MacCleod / Mea Culpa Date: 05 Mar 2000 09:20:14 -0500 Paul Gretton wrote > Matt Buckley wrote: > > OK - I'll try again. Yesterday I posted a request regarding the music for > > the Donald MacCleod tune > > "PM Angus C. MacCleod". Not a single response. > Perhaps we were all just too shocked by your misspelling such a famous name?? ;-) > The slow air "Angus C. MacLeod" (without the "PM") is on page 22 of book 5 of Donald > MacLeod's collection. Aaaaak! My formal apologies. I guess this kind of thing happens when one's training is backwards - smallpipes/lowland music to GHB. Thanks for the info. Cheers. Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Pipe/Drum Historical Connection Date: 05 Mar 2000 09:31:49 -0500 Several days ago, someone mentioned in a post regarding drumming that drum accompaniement to the pipes did not appear until the time of Wellington and thereafter. Yet a couple of years ago I saw a performance by Montreal's reenactment company the Old 78th Frasers, who presented an historical depiction of the role of pipers and drummers in the time of the Seven Years' War. The presentation focused on solo pipe and drum, together, increasing or decreasing the speed of the tune in order to direct firing/reloading time of the muskets. Can anyone address the discrepancy? Also, one of my piping friends, a professional, believes that the roots of competition-style drumming have more to do with Swiss Army drumming, imported to pipe bands in the 1920s and 1930s, than any traditional Scottish drumming to speak of. Any comments? Cheers. Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Comparison of drone reeds Date: 05 Mar 2000 16:24:40 GMT In article <20000305052736.02350.00000535@ng-ci1.aol.com>, beginnertunes@aol.com (Beginnertunes) wrote: > >When (and if) I get off of Mark Lee's 100 year list, > > That's a 1000 years Charles, not 100... > Scotia Aye! > Bill No Bill. He was only told "come back...one year!". Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 05 Mar 2000 19:21:57 GMT > >In general, the melody notes in a 2/4 march are quarter notes, eighth >notes, and sixteenth notes, possibly with dot-cut runs to have a few >32nd notes alternate with the 16th notes. By contrast, the melody >notes in a typical 4/4 march are half notes, quarter notes, and eighth >notes. Any 16th note runs (with or without the dotted 16th/32nd note >pointing) are few and far between; most 4/4 marches don't have them at >all. The point is that the melody "flows" more slowly in a 4/4, since >the phrases are generally twice as long But that's just a difference in presentation. I've seen STB written as a 2/4, and I've seen Earl of Mansfield written as a 4/4. Yet you play them, and they sound the same as they always did; it's just a different visual presentation. 4/4s may LOOK easier to play than 2/4's but that's an illusion. You can try to recast say High Road to Gairloch as a 4/4 and I bet it'll look easier to the eye, but it's going to sound the same as it ever did when you play it. yes, there's a difference in phrase length between 2/4 and 4/4 but I don't want to get into that for now.... >Contrast this with "Brown Haired Maiden" where there aren't all that >many quarter notes and no half notes at all, with most of the tune >being 8th notes or dotted 8th/16th note pairs. Right. But if you recast BHM as a 4/4, the 8th notes turn into quarter notes and everything gets twice as big as it was in 2/4. >The fact >that it is one of the simplest 2/4's just shows that even the light >2/4's as a group are more difficult for the beginner than the light >4/4 marches. Again, just a matter of visual presentation. Write out a typical 2/4 in 4/4 time and it's going to look less forbidding. In fact, I did this with a different tune. It was a fife tune that I transcribed off an LP and set for pipes. I wasn't sure whether to set it as a 4/4 or a 2/4. When I set it as a 2/4, it looked as heavy and forbidding as the average competition march. When I re-set it as 4/4, the heaviness went away and it much more resembles Murdo's Wedding in complexity. Then there's the tempo issue too...the fifes played it at 90 and that's about where it sounds good. As a 2/4 pipe setting it didn't seem comfortable at 50. Zu > In fact, if you compare the difficulty of High Road and >Scotland the Brave, most of the additional difficulty in Scotland the >Brave is in its embellishments, not its timing. Right. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Comparison of drone reeds Date: 05 Mar 2000 19:31:04 GMT >When (and if) I get off of Mark Lee's 100 year list, I would >like to consider a set of his reeds as well, and it may be >instructive to rate the Rockets as well as the Duatones and >SM90s. If any of you have been able to do so. This won't help much, but I did get a chance to play a set of Rockets and a set of Duatones last month. They were in different pipes, so it wasn't a head-to-head comparison. I wouldn't call either setup an optimal one, but both the Rockets and the Duatones seemed to sound about the same. Both sounded good. $100 worth of good? I didn't think so. $50 better than my Zudupiper reeds, or competently-set-up and optimized EZs or Wygents? Possibly. There is a difference. I'd say $25 better at least. I'll stick with my new Zu design until I hear something that I think is $100 better, then I'll buy a set. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe/Drum Historical Connection Date: 05 Mar 2000 19:53:53 GMT >Several days ago, someone mentioned in a post >regarding drumming that drum accompaniement to the >pipes did not appear until the time of Wellington and >thereafter. Actually, more like the Crimean War (1853-54). This was the first documented time that massed pipes and drums played together as a pipe and drum band. >The presentation focused on solo pipe and drum, together, >increasing or decreasing the speed of the tune in order to direct >firing/reloading time of the muskets I can't help you there, except that maybe this was an ad-hoc thing. One pipe and one drum doesn't equal a pipe band necessarily... >that the roots of competition-style drumming have more to do with Swiss >Army drumming, imported to pipe bands in the 1920s and 1930s That time frame rings a bell. I remember hearing something about that, a style change in drumming in the 1940's/50's from the old military style. The EUSPBA Voice did an interview with Andy White (a famous drummer) a couple of issues ago. Maybe that's where I read it. Or was that the pitch of the drums themselves? Zu not much help - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Strathspey Musings Date: 05 Mar 2000 19:45:47 GMT >Never attempt tunes unless guided in them first I always say! ;-))) >saves embarassment later...;-))) Well, I was getting lessons from a Grade 1 piper and we spent a lot of time getting the technique correct, or mostly so, and never did a heckuva lot on musicality or phrasing. I think we never got that far. Part of the problem was that I was only getting a lesson a month, and I didn't know enough to push myself in the meantime. Now I have teachers who are more demanding, and it makes a big difference. >They were from a workshop, just photocopies, but I would be happy to >share...give me a week and I will mail them to you..(gives me time to dig em >out, get to Staples to scan em and get back to you) Cool! You could snail mail them if that's more convenient.... >I mean everytime you sit down with that tune...your aim is to pick up the >speed after of course that you have memorized it and accomplished it to you >and your teacher's satisfaction at the speed before that! >yes, every beat...not every other.. That's exactly what I'm doing with my march, but I've been playing marches much longer than strathspeys. So they come easier. >It shouldn't take you any more than a week on a two part strathspey to >memorize it and be playing it half speed...(60 bpm) I could see that. Especially if I was gettting a lesson every week or every other, and 60's dead slow. I've got to gl back, slow my tune down to the 80's again and get the technique exactly right, then speed it up and get better expression. Where did the winter go? I looked up yesterday and the first comp of the season is in 3.5 weeks. I thought I had plenty of time to work on this stuff.... >Nothing...and I mean nothing can replace a good teacher....and just because >they are the best piper around...doesn't qualify them to be a good teacher >either...;-))) So true, so true. Sigh. But I didn't know that at the time. Now I do. Thanks again, Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stewart Nimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Piob Mhor software - where is the web site Date: 05 Mar 2000 21:46:06 GMT Steve, I bought both Piob Mhor and Bagpipe Music Writer a few years ago. Since upgrading to BMW Gold I never use Piob Mhor, so I'm willing to sell my Piob Mhor program cheap: $50 US, $75 Cdn, £35 UK -- that's less than half price, and I'll throw in all the Piob Mhor tune files I have which is something over 2300 tunes. So if any of your friends are interested......... or anyone else for that matter..... First come, first served........ Slainté Stewart Nimmo, Maitland, ON, Canada. See my website, Canadian Bagpipe Links, at http://web.ripnet.com/~nimmos/ / O/// <|o> /_\ | \ Steve White wrote in message news:89qktv$1f1v$1@quince.news.easynet.net... > Hi all, > > My old link to the Piob Mhor website seems to be out of date - anyone know > where it resides now. I have some piper friends who would like to obtain the > software / tunes etc. > > Cheers, > Steve White > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Must have piobaireachd books? Date: 05 Mar 2000 18:15:29 -0500 www.scotpress.com JOHN BROADWELL wrote: > Thanks Paul, do you have an email address for Unicorn, tried a web search > but got a mass of Unicorn stuff, as in horse-like Unicorns :-) > > Slainte > > John B > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Water Trap Date: 05 Mar 2000 19:53:37 -0500 On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 00:48:03 GMT, "Ryan" wrote: >HI, > I need a water trap for my pipes and I don't want to have to get the one >that comes with the plastic stock, but I also don't want to have to get the >one that to change it you have to untie your stock. I was reading that >there was one that Attaches to your blowpipe, that would be my favorite >choice if it exists. Anyway any info on the subject would be most >appreciated. Naill makes a water-trap that can be fitted down inside an existing stock. Unfortunately the bore is narrow and restrictive. Stay awa' ... If you want one that works well, you're going to have to do SOMETHING to your stock. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton ToneCzar@erols.com http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Comparison of drone reeds Date: 06 Mar 2000 01:01:12 GMT In article <20000305131044.03243.00000396@ng-fu1.aol.com>, beginnertunes@aol.com (Beginnertunes) wrote: > Yes Pat, but Mark made a "special list" and added another zero on the "100 year > list" just for Charles. Royce may be right. Math could be evil. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Wood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Duty and p&p on pipes from Scotland Date: 06 Mar 2000 02:51:29 GMT I would suggest buying from a dealer. The reason we are around is to sell pipes. The pipe makers make the pipes! I would bet the other dealers on the group would agree with this statement. -- Matt Wood McCoill Associates, Pipe Band Supply Rob Larson wrote in article <89uib3$gik$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > I'm looking at buying a bagpipe from a Scottish maker/distributor. To > those who have done so in the past, how much was the shipping and duty? > How long did they take? I realize it may be just as expensive to do so > this way but I know from acquaintances that it is a good way to ensure > you are getting the best pipe (if you deal with the right people of > course). Thanks for your input. > Cheerios! > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Comparison of drone reeds Date: 06 Mar 2000 08:20:55 -0400 John Mitchell wrote in message <38c33a9a_1@127.0.0.1>... >This brings up the question, does anything that flaps in the wind sound >Good? > >So far, all that's needed is a reed body, and a tongue made of any synthetic >material! > >The dynamics can be dictated by the either the thickness, length or width >of the tongue and also the dimensions of the reed body. > >The reed body can be a factor too. The over all length, dia. and sound hole >opening >are all a part of the overall end result too! > >Has anyone else experimented with these parameters yet? For all you wizard reed experimentors, We..........., the pure unwashed rabble of street hackers and Grade 3 or lower competitors, are hoping that you guys will develop reeds that................ 1) take almost no air...... 2) never double tone 3) never have to be fiddled with 4) do not change frequency when one has to cut off the chanter....(we junior street hackers really need this one) 5) performance is totally unaffected by moisture, or lack of it 6) can handle a very wide range of air pressure, ie., cannot be overblown 7) strike in quietly and efficiently every time no matter how one mis-manages one's bag. 8) one model of reed works in all makes of pipes and are true PLUG N' PLAY We, the thousands whose names NEVER appear on prize lists, will pay BIG BUCKS for such reeds.......so far we have had many promises, but limited satisfaction..................just remember.......for every "listed " piper there are thousands of us out here very ready to be parted from our cash.........but don't lie to us any more ! David EZ and Wygent user - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Clamp vs Zipper Date: 06 Mar 2000 07:55:44 -0500 Rephrasing my awful English: As to a case, The British Shop is carrying a pipe case specially designed with the Ross bag in mind. Not all that expensive, either, though I'm told that in the Westchester area of NY there is a vendor (sic) who is said to be charging double what British Shop charges. I'm only repeating what was said to me. > >Bill Burt gaypiper@mindspring.com wrote in message <89sl6i$d1t$1@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net>... - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Comparison of drone reeds Date: 06 Mar 2000 07:56:08 -0500 John Mitchell wrote in message news:38c34608$1_5@127.0.0.1... > No, a good friend of ours told me that > Women are the root of all evil! And where might you be staying this coming weekend, John?!!?!?!? Be VERY afraid as *I* know what goes into your food!!!!!!! :) :) :) Oh . . .that sounded evil, didn't it?? Sorry :) -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com authoring http://sandykeith.com "Moderation is a fatal thing. Nothing succeeds like excess." --- Oscar Wilde - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markalee@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Comparison of drone reeds Date: 06 Mar 2000 15:38:38 GMT In article <38c33a9a_1@127.0.0.1>, "John Mitchell" wrote: > > This brings up the question, does anything that flaps in the wind sound > Good? Quite a subjective question. "Good" meaning "solo good" or "circle good?" Many pipers have both set-ups. For example, solo chanter vs band chanter, solo drones vs band drones, solo chanter reed vs band chanter reed, etc... Depending upon the piper's experience with a particular reed and his pipes, he may well be able to make "anything that flaps in the wind" sound just fine. You might ask, "At what price is the piper's judgement influenced enough to accept certain limitations?" We can certainly buy $15 reeds wich sound good (cane) or spend $129 for synthetic reeds which sound good. At a mere $15, one might assume all pipers should surely put up with the limitations of cane. However, sales figures of synthetic reeds do not support this. We, sometimes, make sweeping statements about products. We, sometimes say things like, "Hey, these reeds are dead-ringers for cane and are rock-steady, and don't shut off with moisture, etc..." Maybe we should precede that statement with, "In my pipes..." There's no one make of reed which will satisfy every piper and his pipes. > The dynamics can be dictated by the either the thickness, length or width > of the tongue and also the dimensions of the reed body. Tip of the ice-berg. > The reed body can be a factor too. The over all length, dia. and sound hole > opening > are all a part of the overall end result too! Any material and any dimension you care to name has an effect. Some more than others. Mark Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Campbell Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 06 Mar 2000 10:22:34 -0500 bruce@ais.com wrote: > In any event you're likely to get a feeling of "tripping" rather than > "marching". > ...picture yourself on the boards by a river in tangerine Portree on marmalade Skye... Doug C. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: K Pettigrew Date: 06 Mar 2000 11:14:29 -0500 Islay Piper wrote in message news:20000304205613.02635.00000091@ng-fh1.aol.com... > What's all this about K Pettigrew getting rid of his Canadian and US dealers?? > Is this true? Any details would be appreciated. Hey, Mark! Just spoke to Sandy Keith about this and he said no, there is no truth in this. As a matter of fact, at this moment, I am building his Pettigrew web page! Don't go there yet .. . it will take me some time. Maybe by tomorrow! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . chained to her computer building web pages today! http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com authoring http://sandykeith.com "Moderation is a fatal thing. Nothing succeeds like excess." --- Oscar Wilde - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Campbell Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 06 Mar 2000 12:57:19 -0500 I don't think my teacher is the point here, since this was something I heard on my own. I"m just a student - I'm not presuming to say it's wrong, I'm just saying it's there. Listen to it and then tell me you don't hear a very different style of pulsing. My question was if anybody else here detects a '6/8ish' (DUMpety DUMpety) expression in the of the 2/4 marches I mentioned. If you don't have the recordings then it's kind of pointless to discuss it in theory. The best I can do is say 'listen to this' and if you were here I would. Doug C. tommytroot@my-deja.com wrote: > >dougc@maine.rr.com wrote: > > For an example, > > listen to Willie McCallum's rendition of Capt. Campbell of Drumavoisk > on > > the Glenfiddich Ceol Beag CD, or The Crags of Stirling on his Pipers > of > > Distinction CD. Then listen to Gordon Walker's rendition of Crags of > > Stirling on his CD and compare the pulsing. > > > > Doug C. > > Not me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Who taught you anyway ??? > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve White" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Piob Mhor software - where is the web site Date: 06 Mar 2000 18:39:42 -0000 Hi Stewart, I'll pass on your offer. Cheers, Steve White Stewart Nimmo wrote in message ... >Steve, > >I bought both Piob Mhor and Bagpipe Music Writer a few years ago. Since >upgrading to BMW Gold I never use Piob Mhor, so I'm willing to sell my Piob >Mhor program cheap: $50 US, $75 Cdn, £35 UK -- that's less than half price, >and I'll throw in all the Piob Mhor tune files I have which is something >over 2300 tunes. So if any of your friends are interested......... or anyone >else for that matter..... First come, first served........ > >Slainté > >Stewart Nimmo, >Maitland, ON, Canada. > >See my website, Canadian Bagpipe Links, >at http://web.ripnet.com/~nimmos/ > > / > O/// > <|o> > /_\ > | \ > >Steve White wrote in message >news:89qktv$1f1v$1@quince.news.easynet.net... >> Hi all, >> >> My old link to the Piob Mhor website seems to be out of date - anyone know >> where it resides now. I have some piper friends who would like to obtain >the >> software / tunes etc. >> >> Cheers, >> Steve White >> >> > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Water Trap Date: 06 Mar 2000 19:15:28 GMT In article <38c3356d$1_3@127.0.0.1>, "John Mitchell" wrote: > That goes for the "Little Mac" valve tooooooooooooo! John. Do you have the adjustable blowpipe on your set of Gibsons? The one that Jerry generally includes with his pipes. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve White" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Uk competitions!! Date: 06 Mar 2000 22:49:42 -0000 Thanks John. JOHN BROADWELL wrote in message <0Uhw4.614$62.88636@news.dircon.co.uk>... >Steve, the competition was held at the Gilesgate school in Bradford >Crescent, Durham. >It is divided up as follows : - > >Solo's 1st stage 22nd January 2000 > Novice march > Intermediate march > Veterans march > Piobaireachd (for the first time) > MSR > >Solo's 2nd stage 12th February 2000 > Practice chanter > Juvenile march > Open march > Previous winners march > Medley > >Trio's 18th March 2000 > grade's 4,3,2,1 > >Mini bands 8th April 2000 > Grade's 4,3,2,1 > Solo drumming > >If you require further information about competitions in the NE branch of >the RSPBA then you would be best contacting Kevin Reilly >email : - kevnreilly@aol.com.uk > >The Richmond (N.Yorks.) contest, usually on the Spring bank holiday will not >be held this year. >That's all I know about in this area, apart from Ashbourne usually in mid >July and Chatsworth in early September, probably 2-3 Sept. sorry I do not >have firm dates as yet!! > >Hope this helps > >Slainte > >John B > >"Steve White" wrote in message >news:89qkr7$1evv$1@quince.news.easynet.net... >> Hi John, >> >> I am indeed even more homesick now. Can you give me any leads on when / >> where the competition is held - in fact any / all competitions in the >area. >> >> Cheers, >> Steve White >> >> >> JOHN BROADWELL wrote in message ... >> >Steve, you should have been at the Durham competition recently, listening >> to >> >all those cool grade two players from Houghton Le Spring and Teeside >doing >> >here stuff!! Does that make you even more homesick!! :-) LOL!! >> > >> >Watch out for a young lad called Scott Kidger he won the open march, he's >> >only 16 and beat 10 other players (including me) He's in the Houghton 95 >> >band and is destined, well................ just destined!!! >> > >> >Slainte >> > >> >John B >> > >> >"Steve White" wrote in message >> >news:89juaj$240g$1@quince.news.easynet.net... >> >> Give owa lads - you're makin' es homesick. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Steve White >> >> >> >> >> >> Chris Eyre wrote in message <89ho12$8kr$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>... >> >> >Some years ago, there used to be a lovely little Games held in >Morpeth, >> >> >about 15 miles east of Newcastle, that held a piobaireachd >competition. >> I >> >> >don't know if it is still going. It's the only Games I every knew that >> >also >> >> >held a Northumbrian Smallpipe competition as well. >> >> > >> >> >BTW, there is a village nearby called "Once Brewed" and in the centre >of >> >it >> >> >is a pub called "Twice Brewed". >> >> > >> >> >Chris Eyre >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipeband Photos Date: 06 Mar 2000 18:05:31 -0500 On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:12:25 -0800, "Anthony Lyle" wrote: >Hey, I am looking for pipeband photos to compile into my next pipeband >screensaver. Volume 1 apparently was a great success if the number of >downloads is any indication. I am looking for good full band posed photos. >If any band would like their own screensaver, just contact me for details. >For those who haven't seen vol. 1, go to our web site and download it. > >Highlander Web Graphics >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/5790 Try http://toneczar.freeservers.com/gallery.html Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton ToneCzar@erols.com http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Wood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Matching odds and ends Date: 07 Mar 2000 00:56:50 GMT OK, OK, my turn. As we all have experienced...CARVING. As an engineer I agree that the Kron capabilities are quite good. But...Will this accurate reproduction eliminate the need for chanter carving???...Yes??? NO??? Until we can clone humans and clone the reeds then we will still need to carve (or tape) each chanter...Even said that the "classic" MarkII needed some carving. Correct??? Chris? John? Royce? anyone from the Grade 1 & 2 bands. Matt madman wrote in article <38C3DD86.3727@hotmail.com>... > John Mitchell wrote: > > OK mad guy! > > > > You've painted me into a corner here! > > > > There is no comparison to a CNC machined part from any other form of > > manufacturing. CNC is the most accurate process of reproducing clones! > > > > A CNC machine is capable of producing a part to within a tolernace of 1 > > micon. > > That's .000001" > > Actually,John,that number you just thru out would be the "finish" of > said part in question,not the actual tolerance or reproducability. > The tolerance is .0001 (one-ten-thousandth of an inch),which is > absolutely phenomenal for a musical instrument. > To get an idea what a .0001 is...you'd have to slice a piece of paper, > thickness-wise into about 30 slices! > Couple that tolerance with a material that doesn't change(phenolic > resin), > and you don't have matched-chanters,....you have identical chanters. > I can get a 1 micron finish,very easily,because we use PCD(diamond) > tooling. > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Wood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ross Cannister Bag Date: 07 Mar 2000 01:00:21 GMT Same deal as with a hide bag with a hole. Your done. I never have had a problem with the zipper. It looks impossible to screw up (no pun intended for the clamp users). -- Matt Wood McCoill Associates, Pipe Band Supply RossD8th wrote in article <20000306161201.03737.00000752@ng-bj1.aol.com>... > As they are wont to do, what happens if a zipper malfunctions? As in won't > close properly. Kind of puts a damper on the day's piping. > Ross > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Provo SFU Spectacular Date: 07 Mar 2000 01:18:30 GMT I'm flying blindly out to SLC/Provo in a few weeks hoping there really is going to be a place to stay, and a way to get there, and an actual festival and neat stuff to see. Whoever is organizing this little deal is pretty lax in the confirmation department--to make a long story short. The hotel a few weeks ago had no idea who to contact for reservations for example, and the number they gave us...well, the story is getting long again. For those of you there, Bruce maybe, is there going to be a djembe handy and a ceilidh to play it at, or is this ceilidh some Scottish-dressup thing for the old duffers. Should I drag my big whistle out there past the metal detectors or what? Or in short, where's the *real* party, and where can I use my Minidisk to tape SFU in setup. Royce (In the words of the Great AH Senyk: I don't know what it is about Utah. Even places set up to handle pipe bands aren't set up to handle pipe bands.) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SM 90 Shepherd Drone Reeds Date: 07 Mar 2000 01:11:05 GMT On Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:52:19 -0500, "John Mitchell" wrote: >Lets just finish it with, your idea of tone is completely different from >my idea of tone. You bring your band to Alma and we'll see who's >tone the Judges prefer! You are in a GR4 band aren't you, or is it 5? Right now I'm in more bands than I can deal with. But don't worry. I'll be at Alma, and I won't be playing against you. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sdon Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Water Trap Date: 06 Mar 2000 19:00:34 -0700 Where do you get your spring?? Don TLER4 wrote: > >4. about six inches of spring that will fit inside the tube. > > >Insert the springs in > >the tube, to prevent it from kinking and stopping the air. > > Nice touch !!!!! works well !!!!! > > bk -- PIPER AT LARGE (sdon@utah.uswest.net) White Peaks Pipe Band http://www.angelfire.com/ut/sdon/index.html - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Comparison of drone reeds Date: 07 Mar 2000 01:53:33 GMT >Zu, put me on your waiting List! > > Ach, I just do this as a hobby, a cottage industry if you will. You can go directly to the top of my list, John! But you probably wouldn't like them. They're solo reeds, and efficient, and have a tight sound. Plus they affect the center of gravity of the pipes. I think they're $25 US better than Wygents or EZs. That's what I charge, anyhow. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Comparison of drone reeds Date: 07 Mar 2000 02:15:46 GMT >We can certainly buy $15 reeds >wich sound good (cane) or spend $129 for synthetic reeds which sound >good. Or about $55 for synthetic reeds that sound good. Or $15, $129, or $55 for reeds of whatever flavor that sound bad if we don't know how to work with them and set them up. >Tip of the ice-berg. > Iceberg! Right ahead! >Any material and any dimension you care to name has an effect. Some >more than others. To say nothing of the configuration of the end of the reed, which isn't intuitive. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Comparison of drone reeds Date: 07 Mar 2000 02:17:43 GMT >Has anyone else experimented with these parameters yet? > C'mon, fess up. Inquiring minds want to know. I like to tinker, but I'm in the vast minority. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Drops of Brandy Date: 06 Mar 2000 21:55:52 -0500 Otherwise known as a slip jig, no?! Paul Gretton wrote in message news:38C2072A.12C3@compuserve.com... > smitty wrote: > > > > What is the timing on this tune? it isn't a 2/4 is it? sounds like a > > reel to me. > > It's a 9/8 jig. Three beats in a bar. > > Cheers, > > Paul Gretton > > *****Present mirth hath present laughter.(Twelfth Night)***** - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Water Trap Date: 07 Mar 2000 03:34:22 GMT On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 18:30:02 -0800, ccc31807 wrote: >Tru-Valu hardware store, same as all the other materials. > >In article <38C462C2.D30FE7AE@slkc.uswest.net>, sdon > wrote: >>Where do you get your spring?? The spring whistles when you blow through it. Don't use a spring. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hilndpiper@aol.com (HILNDPIPER) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Metro Cup: Huh??? Date: 07 Mar 2000 03:57:47 GMT Zudupiper wrote: >Bell was using a borrowed chanter and reed. To set things straight: Duncan used his own reed. It was my chanter that he borrowed. He didn't like the reed I gave him because it was too weak for his tastes. Don't blame the chanter for being poorly set up. It is a prize winning chanter (at the Open level). cheers, noah - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dicksondl@aol.com (DicksonDL) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: North Coast Date: 07 Mar 2000 04:11:55 GMT << > They do sound great in concert...Smitty Yep, thanks to Gibson blackwood chanters and drones, which every single person in the band plays. :) >> Nearly, Shawn. We haven't been able to get the drummers to switch to Gibson chanters and drones yet. Duane - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Matching odds and ends Date: 07 Mar 2000 09:16:40 -0500 On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 00:56:50 GMT, "Matthew Wood" wrote: >OK, OK, my turn. > >As we all have experienced...CARVING. > >As an engineer I agree that the Kron capabilities are quite good. >But...Will this accurate reproduction eliminate the need for chanter >carving???...Yes??? NO??? Until we can clone humans and clone the reeds >then we will still need to carve (or tape) each chanter...Even said that >the "classic" MarkII needed some carving. > >Correct??? Chris? John? Royce? anyone from the Grade 1 & 2 bands. My Shepherd Mk II 2 chanters are carved rather shamelessly on the Low A, B, C, E, and even the F on one. Didn't really happen until I went to Scotland - that is, when we went over their and the pitch dropped the bottom hands got carved to brighten them up and so it goes. The Shepherd II is a great chanter - ubiquitous and sonorous. Every chanter will need some adjustment with this or that reed or blower or method of setting it up. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton ToneCzar@erols.com http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aberdeen Subject: (bagpipe) Music Books on Web Site Date: 07 Mar 2000 15:49:06 GMT So as to make selections of music books easier for our customers, I've started the time consuming task of listing the Tables of Contents for the music books we carry. If you go to the "more information" page for the music books, you will be able to see what tunes are included in the book. Since I'm not the world's quickest at typing, it will take some time before I have all the tunes listed, but the work has begun and will continue until completed. Last night I got 4 books uploaded - the two books of Seumas MacNeill, Neil Dickie's book and the Edcath Collection 2. I'm also proud to announce that, thanks to you, we've been awarded Bob Dunsire's "Web Site of the Week" Award and have the award shown on our home page. Hope the music work helps you. All the best, Jim -- Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruce@ais.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 07 Mar 2000 17:03:29 GMT In article <38c1e277_4@127.0.0.1>, "John Mitchell" wrote: > > In general, the melody notes in a 2/4 march are quarter notes, > > eighth notes, and sixteenth notes, possibly with dot-cut runs to > > have a few 32nd notes alternate with the 16th notes. By contrast, > > the melody notes in a typical 4/4 march are half notes, quarter > > notes, and eighth notes. Any 16th note runs................... > > You know, I pity any beginner who has to depend on this NG > for vital information about the music itself. > > Trying to explain music with words is like showing a blindman > what colours are. Get yourself a CD and listen to 6/8's and 2/4's > to get the feel and the pulse of the music. Then simply apply that > pulse to the notes you see on paper. > > Listen to a hundred of them if you have too, but we could sit here > all day and talk about it and get nothing done! Unfortunately most of what I was talking about really can't be applied by beginners - it was addressed more towards their teachers. There really isn't a good substitute for working with someone else; in the end, words will always fail to describe music (any music) adequately. Your suggestion of listening to good CDs of pipe music is a good one, but there is a danger there as well: beginners must be careful not to try to imitate what they hear on the CD _at the tempo that they hear it played_. If you're starting out you almost certainly won't be able to match the tempos on any tunes other than some of the slow airs; and any attempt to do so will just introduce a lot of sloppy playing in an effort to "keep up". Bruce C. Wright Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruce@ais.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 07 Mar 2000 17:22:45 GMT In article <20000305142157.03467.00000704@ng-bk1.aol.com>, zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: > > > >In general, the melody notes in a 2/4 march are quarter notes, eighth > >notes, and sixteenth notes, possibly with dot-cut runs to have a few > >32nd notes alternate with the 16th notes. By contrast, the melody > >notes in a typical 4/4 march are half notes, quarter notes, and > >eighth notes. Any 16th note runs (with or without the dotted > >16th/32nd note pointing) are few and far between; most 4/4 marches > >don't have them at all. The point is that the melody "flows" more > >slowly in a 4/4, since the phrases are generally twice as long > > But that's just a difference in presentation. Exactly. The point is that most beginners who are just starting to read musical notation have less trouble counting 4 notes as 4 quarter notes (each getting one beat) than they do counting those same 4 notes and _dividing_ each beat. Simple counting is easier than division :-). Once you're used to hearing the patterns, it is usually easier to play the 2/4s since you can "feel" where the upbeat should be. In addition, the fewer different lengths of notes, the better, though this is a secondary effect if you don't have to subdivide (many) beats. > I've seen STB written as a 2/4, and I've seen Earl of Mansfield > written as a 4/4. Yet you play them, and they sound the same as they > always did; it's just a different visual presentation. Possibly. If you take a 2/4 like Earl of Mansfield and recast it so that all of the 16th notes turn into 8th notes, you're getting an effect much like what I'm looking for, though I think the tune is rather complex on other grounds (too many different note lengths). If you take a tune like Brown Haired Maiden and just eliminate half of the bar lines, this is not at all what I mean. Bruce C. Wright Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruce@ais.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 07 Mar 2000 17:41:27 GMT In article <7310-38C06252-37@storefull-297.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, lsm-555@webtv.net (Lura) wrote: > There seems to be a real mindset among pipers regarding beating time. > Everybody seems to have the attitude that if you can't tap your foot > correctly to the music, you can't play correctly. Basically, I > disagree. I think that this foottaping and mathematical dissection > of notes/bars/measures is unnecessary and irrelevant. I play the > music by what the other guy termed "immitation", and I think that > this method is just as legitimate as the beat-tapping method, and > works just as well. If the end-product sounds the same, what does it > matter if one taps one's foot or "immitates?" I can't believe that > every single piper in the world plays by counting beats/tapping. > There have GOT to be pipers out there that dont engage in this foot > tapping/beat counting stuff. Right? Are there any of you out there? In the final analysis, it really isn't necessary for a musician to tap his or her foot to keep time. The ultimate point is whether the music has the proper "pulse" which will vary according to the type of music. Having said that, march music is written so that one can march to it, and dance music is written so that one can dance to it. These both imply a strong, rhythmic pulse, and if you can't supply that then you can't play the music properly. (The _listener_ should be able to tap his or her foot to the music, but the _player_ may or may not bother). How you generate that pulse is up to you. Tapping one's foot is common because it works for many people - provides a useful reference point, if you can get used to doing it consistently. Unfortunately in my experience most people who think they can generate a good pulse without some kind of work with tapping their feet and/or playing a lot with a metronome, really can't do so nearly as well as they think they can. There are of course the lucky few who seem to have a flawless and innate sense of rhythm, but they appear to be the exception rather than the rule. Bruce C. Wright Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leslie Thomson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Chevrons - quick question Date: 07 Mar 2000 18:18:16 +0100 Depends "Keith E. Albee" escribió en el mensaje news:20000306235815.02592.00000488@ng-fa1.aol.com... > Forgive my ignorance - quick question.......Chevrons worn on the forearm - > point up or down?? > > > Slainte! > Keith > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bdunsire@aol.comNOSPAM (Bob Dunsire) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scotch Date: 07 Mar 2000 17:46:36 GMT <> Oohhhh...one of my other favourite subjects.. single malts.. I have been trying to collect them for many years now, but my collection is constantly 'shrinking'.. hummmm.. some sort of conspiracy ... And just now I went to see how many different single malts I have in the cupboard, and.. well, 17 (youch!).. I guess I'm falling behind in my consuming hobby. (ha) Sorry, strange mood.. An answer.. Personal taste will dictate preferences, so I'll name a few of my favourites (Inexpensive.. I don't know what that would be to you, most single malts cost more than most blends).. I like lots of flavour..smokey, peaty, lots of aftertaste, (oops, I'm getting thirsty) - related to that: 1) Lagavulin 2) Oban 2) Talisker 2) Macallan There are, in my experience, very few single Malts that are other than good, so it really will depend upon what you like in flavours / styles. Try any of the four I've listed if you think you'll like something with lots of 'taste'. Cheers, Bob - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ewan A. Macpherson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Creating a Practice Chanter Date: 07 Mar 2000 14:07:21 -0500 Ed f& Donna McClelland wrote: > > Does anyone know of where I could find a diagram with > dimensions, I have a lathe, drill press, etc There are some set of dimensions at: http://members.aol.com/GerRaith/index.htm Or you could just borrow one and measure it, I suppose. -- Ewan Macpherson http://www-personal.umich.edu/~emacpher/pipes.html - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leslie Thomson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Chevrons - quick question Date: 07 Mar 2000 21:45:01 +0100 "Leslie Thomson" escribió en el mensaje news:38c53da9_2@news.arrakis.es... > Depends > If my memory serves me well, the chevron "aims" to the elbow, so usually the PM (show off) will also have his PM's golden thread pipes so no room in the upper arm so it gos in the forearm pointing up. The rest of the mortals wear the chevrons in the Arm so aim doon. Cheers, Leslie The Gaucho Piper - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scotch Date: 07 Mar 2000 16:35:38 -0400 I tried to send privately, but cant get rid of the NOSPAM........so here goes........flak jacket installed................ I stopped collecting, and started drinking when I couldn't get any more in my liquer cabinet.......my son-in-law would drink them at my wake and wouldn't really appreciate them...so to hell with him........... After driving all day....wiped......I checked in to a hotel/motel on the shores of Loch Ness.....crawled to the bar and asked the bartenders for their recommendation on a fine malt that I would enjoy without having to work at it, price was not mentioned.......the two bartenders conferred and quickly agreed on Macallan (there was nothing on the back shelves of the bar but single malts).................I agreed also...............with Oban as a second choice................ BUT the cheapest single malt I have found, and surprisingly palatable, priced with decent blends, is Singleton............. David Bob Dunsire wrote in message <20000307124636.15537.00001792@ng-de1.aol.com>... >< wondering > if any of you could suggest a kind of in-expensive good brand of single malt > scotch?>> > >Oohhhh...one of my other favourite subjects.. single malts.. I have been >trying to collect them for many years now, but my collection is constantly >'shrinking'.. hummmm.. some sort of conspiracy ... > >And just now I went to see how many different single malts I have in the >cupboard, and.. well, 17 (youch!).. I guess I'm falling behind in my consuming >hobby. (ha) > >Sorry, strange mood.. > >An answer.. >Personal taste will dictate preferences, so I'll name a few of my favourites > >(Inexpensive.. I don't know what that would be to you, most single malts cost >more than most blends).. > >I like lots of flavour..smokey, peaty, lots of aftertaste, (oops, I'm getting >thirsty) - related to that: > >1) Lagavulin >2) Oban >2) Talisker >2) Macallan > >There are, in my experience, very few single Malts that are other than good, so >it really will depend upon what you like in flavours / styles. Try any of the >four I've listed if you think you'll like something with lots of 'taste'. > >Cheers, >Bob - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Black Pipe Cords and Pipe Bags Date: 07 Mar 2000 16:37:11 -0400 any piping supplier......................david George Shears wrote in message <38C53564.E2563728@nortelnetworks.com>... >Can anyone recommend a supplier of Black Pipe Cords and a Black Corduroy >Pipe Bag. > >Thanks, > >George > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Cleaning Real Ivory Date: 07 Mar 2000 16:40:33 -0400 the question on cleaning imitation ivory sparks me to ask this........I noticed Bill's nicely cleaned ivory on his restoration pictures....................I wouldn't want to change the beautifully developed colour of the ivory, but I would like to clean the mounts.....I have used soap and a tooth brush........any other recommends? David - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music. Date: 07 Mar 2000 16:43:39 -0400 james lynch wrote in message <38C504F9.5AC19C34@rmi.net>... >A fresh and wholesome statement. Enjoyed reading it. Jim. > >Robert wrote: > >> >> >> Wow! I didn't expect to generate so much discussion. Thanks >> for all the input though. ...etc......etc..... Just finished practicing with band member of 20 plus years experience......had discussion on some timings in a band tune............she listen to our drum section in her head ! and I have been trying for so long to ignore these guys ! David - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Robertson Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Duty and p&p on pipes from Scotland Date: 07 Mar 2000 16:28:32 -0800 --------------0550533FCD824414583BADC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First thing, there are no duty fees (US) for bagpipes. If someone has paid them, they should request their money back from US Customs. Shipping, that just depends on how their sent, packaging weight etc. Next thing, I would disagree with your ideas on how a dealer feels about the pipes he sells versus a maker. There are makers (yes even here is the US) who give lousy service. No follow up on their product and shuffle along with repairs. Yes, there are dealers who treat people like that too. However, if someone really looks around and asks about dealers, you can find some that give damn good service and will be there for you if you have questions or problems ,and, care about the quality of the product they sell. No I'm not a dealer. Yes I do have my favorites that I like to deal with. Cheers Don Rob Larson wrote: > You have a point but the pipe maker has much more invested in the > reputation of the quality of the product than a dealer does. If I buy a > Joe Smith bagpipe from Joe Smith and it is not up to snuff then I can > say "Hey, Joe, get me something better" and Joe's going to make sure > I'm pleased so I don't go around saying "Don't buy Joe Smith's pipes." > If I bought a Joe Smith bagpipe from Tartan Tom's Bagpipe Mart and it's > not up to snuff Tom's going to see what else he has in stock and if > none of those are sufficient all Tom can say is "Sorry, I don't > turn 'em, I just sell 'em." Even if Tom did say "Let me talk to Joe and > see what he can do for you" I would have to wait for Tom to get a hold > of Joe, for Joe send the bagpipe to Tom, and for Tom to send it to me. > Why not eliminate the middle man? > However, if Tartan Tom is a world-class piper with several Gold > Medals, Silver Clasps, and World Championships to his credit then I > would expect Tom to test all of Joe Smith's bagpipes he gets in and > make sure they are all up to snuff since he has the experience and > knowledge. I would even go as far to say that I would buy from Tom over > Joe in that scenario because I know Tom is an excellent player but know > nothing of Joe's ability. But if I don't know Tartan Tom from a > Shriner, then I'll deal directly with Joe Smith. Not to say you are a > poor player but how am I know to whether or not you are or even if you > play pipes at all? > On the other side of the dice If Louie Butterfield is a world-class > player and makes bagpipes for Joe Smith, then I'm definately going to > buy from Louie because he has his reputation as a player and as a pipe > maker on the line. Sorry if that was a bit verbose. > Cheerios! > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. --------------0550533FCD824414583BADC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    First thing, there are no duty fees (US) for bagpipes. If someone has paid them, they should request their money back from US Customs. Shipping, that just depends on how their sent, packaging weight etc.
   Next thing, I would disagree with your ideas on how a dealer feels about the pipes he sells versus a maker. There are makers (yes even here is the US) who give lousy service. No follow up on their product and shuffle along with repairs. Yes, there are dealers who treat people like that too. However, if someone really looks around and asks about dealers, you can find some that give damn good service and will be there for you if you have questions or problems ,and, care about  the quality of the product they sell. No I'm not a dealer. Yes I do have my favorites that I like to deal with.
Cheers
Don
 

Rob Larson wrote:

 You have a point but the pipe maker has much more invested in the
reputation of the quality of the product than a dealer does. If I buy a
Joe Smith bagpipe from Joe Smith and it is not up to snuff then I can
say "Hey, Joe, get me something better" and Joe's going to make sure
I'm pleased so I don't go around saying "Don't buy Joe Smith's pipes."
If I bought a Joe Smith bagpipe from Tartan Tom's Bagpipe Mart and it's
not up to snuff Tom's going to see what else he has in stock and if
none of those are sufficient all Tom can say is "Sorry, I don't
turn 'em, I just sell 'em." Even if Tom did say "Let me talk to Joe and
see what he can do for you" I would have to wait for Tom to get a hold
of Joe, for Joe send the bagpipe to Tom, and for Tom to send it to me.
Why not eliminate the middle man?
 However, if Tartan Tom is a world-class piper with several Gold
Medals, Silver Clasps, and World Championships to his credit then I
would expect Tom to test all of Joe Smith's bagpipes he gets in and
make sure they are all up to snuff since he has the experience and
knowledge. I would even go as far to say that I would buy from Tom over
Joe in that scenario because I know Tom is an excellent player but know
nothing of Joe's ability. But if I don't know Tartan Tom from a
Shriner, then I'll deal directly with Joe Smith. Not to say you are a
poor player but how am I know to whether or not you are or even if you
play pipes at all?
 On the other side of the dice If Louie Butterfield is a world-class
player and makes bagpipes for Joe Smith, then I'm definately going to
buy from Louie because he has his reputation as a player and as a pipe
maker on the line. Sorry if that was a bit verbose.
Cheerios!

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

--------------0550533FCD824414583BADC0-- - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Metro Cup: Huh??? Date: 08 Mar 2000 00:44:43 GMT > It is a prize winning chanter (at the Open >level). Well darnit, he should have told the judges that in the first place. ; ) Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Old Novice Needs Advice Date: 08 Mar 2000 00:40:57 GMT >My parlor pipes do not pose too much of a >problem for me, but I would need to have a most forgiving set of GHPs. It's possible to set up a GHB so that it takes very very very little air, barely more than a practice chanter. The sound is a little quieter than the average GHB, but it's still much louder than a parlor pipe. You do have to know what you're doing when you set up a pipe like that, but it can be done. Good luck, Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 08 Mar 2000 01:11:56 GMT >If >you take a tune like Brown Haired Maiden and just eliminate half of >the bar lines, this is not at all what I mean. Right. You have to change the values of all the notes. It's not as simple as eliminating bar lines. But you can add bar lines to turn a 12/8 into a 6/8 with no other changes, right? Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Strathspey Musings Date: 07 Mar 2000 20:49:37 -0500 I'm using Dorrator Bridge as my primary strathspey and like the tune very much. It has all the things in it that judges look to hear, a good natural pulse and... no one's been playing it for quite a while. Bill Burt Chris Hamilton wrote in message <9vp3cs0qnkenieg0u5mhj5pada1r2ahf82@4ax.com>... >On 05 Mar 2000 01:39:21 GMT, zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: > >>I didn't have a big selection to choose from. I wanted "Dorrator Bridge" but >>my light music teacher called it a cheesy damn tune and said he didn't like it. > >Hmm, I remember Guelph playing one of the best MSR's I ever heard - >Montreal 1981 - Donald Cameron, Dorrator Bridge, and John Morrison of >Assynt House. Brilliant. > >No cheese in the house. > >Chris >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Chris Hamilton >ToneCzar@erols.com >http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Call to breakup Jewish media conglomerates !!!! by Salvador Astucia Date: 07 Mar 2000 20:46:49 -0500 Somebody toss this F***ING bigot out for good, PLEASE! Salvador2u wrote in message <20000301011954.03631.00002453@ng-cs1.aol.com>... >It is truly sickening the way Jews have taken over the news media in the United >States. If the Justice Department was legitimate, it would file anti-trust >suits to break-up six huge Jewish controlled media conglomerates. They are: >Time Warner, The Walt Disney Company, Seagram Company Limited (they own >Universal Studios, MCA records and a host of other entertainment businesses), >Viacom, General Electric, and News Corporation Limited. > >Seven Jewish men run the vast majority of US television, the printed press, the >Hollywood movie industry, and the book publishing industry which are >subsidiaries of huge media conglomerates. Those men are: > >- Gerald Levin, 59, Chairman and CEO of Time Warner, Inc. >(To see corporate profile, go to http://biz.yahoo.com/p/t/twx.html) > >- Michael Eisner, 57, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company >(To see corporate profile, go to http://biz.yahoo.com/p/d/dis.html) > >- Edgar Bronfman, Sr., 70, Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd >(To see corporate profile, go to http://biz.yahoo.com/p/v/vo.html) > >- Edgar Bronfman, Jr, 44, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of >Universal Studios >(To see corporate profile, go to previous URL.) > >- Sumner Redstone, 75, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc >(To see corporate profile, go to http://biz.yahoo.com/p/v/viab.html) > >- Dennis Dammerman, 53, Vice Chairman of General Electric >(To see corporate profile, go to http://biz.yahoo.com/p/g/ge.html) > >- Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited >(To see corporate profile, go to http://biz.yahoo.com/p/n/nws.html) > >These seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner >Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, America On-line, Compuserve, Universal Studios, >MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, >Curb/Universal Records, Interscope Records. > >For more details about the Jewish controlled news media, read this: > >http://www.abbc.com/islam/english/toread/frnklin.htm#medias > >Jews are only two percent of the population in the United States, yet they have >acquired nearly absolute control over the news media and the entertainment >business. With Time Warner’s recent acquisition of America On-Line and >Compuserve, they’re succeeding in swallowing the Internet. > >Write your congressional representative and senator. Voice your complaint >against the huge Jewish media conglomerates. > >For information about the Jewish culture, read the following pieces: > >- The David Irving Trial in England which is challenging major facts about the >Holocaust >http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/PenguinIndex.html > >- The late Benjamin Freedman’s explanation of how the Jews stabbed Germany in >the back during WWI. >http://www.natall.com/free-speech/fs956b.html > >- Writings and statements of Theodore Herzl, founder of Zionism (Herzl’s words >are better known as "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion") >http://www.abbc.com/islam/english/toread/pr-zion.htm > >Salvador Astucia > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Loosing Air!! Date: 08 Mar 2000 01:15:43 GMT >My qusetion is will the seasoning stop this, and let me get thru till the end >of March or should i try to get a new bag Hide bag, not sheep? If so, seasoning might prop it up for a couple days but you need a new bag, unless the leak is identifiable and patchable...but you need a new bag. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Dating Kintails Date: 07 Mar 2000 20:54:35 -0500 Well, to start with, no set of Kintails is any older than say, 1978, give or take a few years. The pipes you described sound like the old Kintail "chalice top" drones which were popular for a while. If they're from the early Kintail days, they likely sound a bit stuffy and without a very rich sound. Kintail's quality in that era was far better than his current stuff, though I'm sure someone will disagree with me. Bill Burt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sirj1314@aol.com (SirJ1314) Subject: (bagpipe) My Deger is possesed! Date: 08 Mar 2000 03:43:45 GMT A very strange thing happened today when I played my Deger chanter. I was just flowing along playing some jigs and all of a sudden the chanter sounded low A out of the blue... that's strange.. then D.. then a G grace note and so on. It played the first 7 notes of amazing grace on it's own! I didn't really think much of it because sometimes the notes stick and funny things happen. So I continue playing.. a few minutes later it happend again. I keep playing.. again, again and again it starts to play amazing grace. About 15 times before I was finaly done. So here is the question. Is my Deger possesed by ancient pipers long since turned to dust, or does every Deger have a mind of it's own. After thinking about it, I thought it may be a sign that the batteries are dying. It makes sence I guess. I mean, "Amazing Grace" is the tune played at funerals and if the batteries are dying this tune whould be appropriate. Has this happened to anyone else? Cheers, John - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Robertson Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cleaning Real Ivory Date: 07 Mar 2000 19:20:34 -0800 Use a white vinyl eraser(only white vinyl will do). Don't get the pink or colored ones they can ruin the ivory. You can get them at art supply stores. Cheers Don dnimmo wrote: > the question on cleaning imitation ivory sparks me to ask this........I > noticed Bill's nicely cleaned ivory on his restoration > pictures....................I wouldn't want to change the beautifully > developed colour of the ivory, but I would like to clean the mounts.....I > have used soap and a tooth brush........any other recommends? > > David - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Wood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Matching odds and ends Date: 08 Mar 2000 04:25:25 GMT This was my point. If we will carve, tape and adjust does the accuracy down to 0.001" matter? Matt > The Shepherd II is a great chanter - ubiquitous and sonorous. > > Every chanter will need some adjustment with this or that reed or > blower or method of setting it up. > > Chris > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Chris Hamilton > ToneCzar@erols.com > http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sdon Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Black Pipe Cords and Pipe Bags Date: 07 Mar 2000 22:03:02 -0700 Sandy St. James has the black cords in stock and he makes some very nice Melton wool black bagcovers that are much nicer than corduroy. Don George Shears wrote: > Can anyone recommend a supplier of Black Pipe Cords and a Black Corduroy > Pipe Bag. > > Thanks, > > George -- PIPER AT LARGE (sdon@utah.uswest.net) White Peaks Pipe Band http://www.angelfire.com/ut/sdon/index.html - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sdon Subject: (bagpipe) Re: My Deger is possesed! Date: 07 Mar 2000 22:14:50 -0700 The Deger is programmed to do that when the batteries are about to go. It should tell you that in the manual. Pretty funny the way you described it though. Don SirJ1314 wrote: > A very strange thing happened today when I played my Deger chanter. I was just > flowing along playing some jigs and all of a sudden the chanter sounded low A > out of the blue... that's strange.. then D.. then a G grace note and so on. > It played the first 7 notes of amazing grace on it's own! I didn't really > think much of it because sometimes the notes stick and funny things happen. So > I continue playing.. a few minutes later it happend again. I keep playing.. > again, again and again it starts to play amazing grace. About 15 times before > I was finaly done. So here is the question. Is my Deger possesed by ancient > pipers long since turned to dust, or does every Deger have a mind of it's own. > After thinking about it, I thought it may be a sign that the batteries are > dying. It makes sence I guess. I mean, "Amazing Grace" is the tune played at > funerals and if the batteries are dying this tune whould be appropriate. Has > this happened to anyone else? Cheers, John -- PIPER AT LARGE (sdon@utah.uswest.net) White Peaks Pipe Band http://www.angelfire.com/ut/sdon/index.html - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Matching odds and ends Date: 08 Mar 2000 00:24:52 -0500 On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 04:25:25 GMT, "Matthew Wood" wrote: >This was my point. If we will carve, tape and adjust does the accuracy >down to 0.001" matter? It doesn't hurt! Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton ToneCzar@erols.com http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bagpipe True Type Font Date: 07 Mar 2000 22:46:32 -0800 I've got one. 'Made it last year when I got fed up with trying to notate pipe music with the available commercial software. And it's both elegant *AND* happens to be the way most conventional "Music Notation Software" works! Yer man, Todd Muscat -- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ James Stewart wrote in message news:98Gr4.218$X11.198@firefly... > You knw, that might work with only 8 or nine notes, let's see, with six > lengths each, (that's 64) plus eight dots (that's 72) plus a couple of dozen > possible ornaments and half a dozen time signatures, no rests, and perhps a > few ties, a triplet mark or two and you might have a workable set of bapipe > music fonts that would easily fit into an extended character set. Hmmm... > Would'nt be elegant, but it might be usable. > > Duane Colley wrote in message > news:38ADB25C.78C0FA14@ugg.com... > > Hi All > > > > Any one have, know of a True Type music font (not Tablature) for things > > bagpipish? > > > > thanks > > Duane > > > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SEASONING--Storage/Corrosion? Date: 07 Mar 2000 22:53:57 -0800 The problem's with the terrible 'tin' can - It rusts - ruining the seasoning! Yer man, Todd Muscat -- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ Bduty wrote in message news:20000229213327.01616.00000755@ng-bg1.aol.com... > I've always been told that once you open the tin, pour any remainder in a glass > jar, and put it in the frig. I guess that once it gets exposed to the air, > some reaction with the metal can occur, causing it go bad (whatever "bad" is > for this stuff). > Bruce > > > >: I'd like to hear from folks about how they store their seasoning, > >: particularly those that just leave the stuff in the can in the > >refrigerator. > > > >I was told to put the stuff in the freezer. So I do, and later thaw it out by > >placing the tin in a container of warm water for 1/2 hour. > > > >I'm not sure if this is "correct", but it works for me. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Verdict Date: 08 Mar 2000 11:19:12 GMT >Anyway, I need a volley of support from the NG here! >Mauve is boycotting a pub night at Hooters on the Saturday, >where the local band is playing. It's one of those principle things! > >What can I possibly say to change her mind! Sounds like it could >be a right laugh and she'll miss out on it! Hold Hamish as hostage she will go! Jim - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Sullivan" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Original Highland Bagpipe Construction Date: 08 Mar 2000 12:02:44 GMT As I understand it, bog oak and boxwood were two typical woods. Andrea Reese wrote in message news:38c5ca1c.566459715@news.mindspring.com... > I asked my bagpipe instructor this evening what wood would have been > originally used in Scotland to make Great Highland Bagpipes. I > presumed African Blackwood is not native to Scotland and would not > have been readily available to early Scottish pipe makers. My > instructor said he had never really thought about it, but after my > question shared my curiosity. So to make a long story longer, I put > my question to this news group. What wood were ancient bagpipes made > from in Scotland? Thanks in advance for your replies. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Verdict Date: 08 Mar 2000 07:28:39 -0500 John Mitchell wrote in message news:38c5f5c4_4@127.0.0.1... > Well, I'm off to see Maeve on Thursday. She said she'll give > me a shot at trying these legendary pipes named Angus! > Well you know me, I'll let ewe all know if their as good as > my homegrown Gibby's. This should be interesting! :-) Yep!!!!!! I can't wait for you to get here!!!! It was a great sneak preview speaking with you on the phone last night :) :) :) :) I'm like a kid waiting for Christmas here!!! Angus is geared up and ready for the challenge :) :) :) But I fear I might have another problem on my hands . . . it's enough that I have to watch Dave's every move around Angus!!!!!! KNOW that I will be checking your bags on your return flight out of here!!!! :) > It'll be my job to introduce Maeve to the darker side of piping. > That's Jigs, reels and hornpipes played in "Kit-chin Sti-Yell"! HEHE! THIS I really can't wait to see!!!!!!!! I LOVE IT! And I have the greatest kitchen in the world for piping ;) :) :) :) The acoustic qualitity of a two-story log home cannot be beat!!!!!!! But this is what the band does AFTER practice and we'll get a shot at it ALMOST as soon as you get off the plane. Better get some sleep while in those planes :) :) It will be a long night!!!!!! > Anyway, I need a volley of support from the NG here! > Mauve is boycotting a pub night at Hooters on the Saturday, > where the local band is playing. It's one of those principle things! > What can I possibly say to change her mind! Sounds like it could > be a right laugh and she'll miss out on it! Well, it's getting close here . .. visions of John Mitchell laying on the floor of Hooters playing Angus is not something I would want to miss :) :) :) :) :) There was a dispute amongst some of the band members a few weeks ago. One of the players was miffed at the rest of the band for whatever and asked "What about PRINCIPLES?!?!?!?" I calmly looked up and said, "We're pipers . . . do we HAVE principles?" Remembering my own statement, I am having to reconsider just what it is that has kept me out of Hooters for the last decade or so . ... . there's a few more days before the gig . . .. . I'M MELTING!!!!!!!!!!! This should be a riot!!!!!!! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida! http://people.delphi.com/terralyn authoring sandykeith.com "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all." Oscar Wilde - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Verdict Date: 08 Mar 2000 07:37:44 -0500 Lurker wrote in message news:1dc21a97.06f1d57f@usw-ex0105-036.remarq.com... > Tell her "Fabio On Horseback" will be riding through. She'll > not only be there, she'll be right down front grabbing for a > rose. LOL!!!!!! That's pretty much what I told John last night . .. when the Hunk's start serving at Hooters, I'll be there ;) :) :) :) :) :) I really didn't think that he wanted me to start on my "exploitation of women" tirade!!!! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida! http://people.delphi.com/terralyn authoring sandykeith.com "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all." Oscar Wilde - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Taking Ivory pipes to Scotland from the states Date: 08 Mar 2000 08:41:33 -0500 What you need to do is act now. Get hold of the U.S. Fisheries & Wildlife Department to get what is called a CITES permit. You will have to fill out a 2 or 3 page questionnaire. Accompany this application with a cover letter enclosing a check and application, etc. and what the application is for (3 year permit), along with your phone number, because they might call. At the bottom of the letter, include a notarized statment telling them the following: 1. You play a set of Scottish bagpipes made in or around _________, Scotland, pre-WWII (and approximate date of manufacture); 2. the pipes have been in your family for over __ years (grandfather, father, then you -- you can lie here, they won't check); 3. that the pipes have ___ pieces of ivory ornamentation from an elephant and; 4. that they have not been modified or repaired with real ivory since the Convention. This is usually enough for them and you'll be assigned (I kid you not) to a biologist who will handle your case and likely approve your permit. You should opt for a 3 year permit. You will have to do the same thing with the folks in Britain. The CITES office is in Bristol, and they are usually very helpful and prompt. US cost last year was $25 for three years, and as I recall, you'll need to pay for a UK permit for both import and export (10 quid each way). The US address is: US Fish and Wildlife Service Office Management Authority 4401 N. Fairfax Drive, Room 700 Arlington, VA 22203 The UK address is: Wildlife Licensing & Registration Service Department of the Environment, Transport & the Regions (DETR) Tollgate House Houlton Street Bristol, BS219DJ, England In the UK, you might talk to a Martin Saddington, who is extremely courteous and helpful Hope this helps you. It's not as daunting as it sounds. Bill Burt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Summer School featuring Bob Worrall Date: 08 Mar 2000 09:29:46 -0400 HMAschool wrote in message <20000307230219.02602.00000704@ng-fs1.aol.com>... > The Highland Musical Arts Summer School of Piping and Drumming, >scheduled for July 1-7, will be held at the Buck Creek Camp & Conference > Chief Piping Instructor Bob Worrall of Burlington, Ontario........etc....etc........ From having Bob as one of my instructors every summer since I started piping (not thaat long ago !), I heartily recommend spending a week with this gentleman.............he has the unique ability to combine strict attention to that damn timing stuff,... yet introduce an unbelievable degree of musicallity into the tune............... (at a quiet moment in class, slip in some reference to accordions in his classroom !) David - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jmarie6741@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) band advice needed Date: 08 Mar 2000 13:55:39 GMT My band is competing for the first time in grade 5 this season. We have some pipers and drummers that have had the band competition experience so we know somewhat how to handle it. Our band is mainly a memorial band, not a competition band. We do many performances each year, up to 40 band and 20 solo. Now a problem has cropped up. The problem is that band practice attendance has really dropped off in the last few months. Also attendance at performances has been poor with almost 50% of the pipers not attending. These are usually the same people that don't attend practices regularly. Our drummers have been there; almost 100% attendance. (yeah, drummers!) We are working on some familiar tunes, getting them ready for competition. New stuff has not been added for at least 6 months, although we have been preparing for competition for only 2 months. So, my question is, what are some ways to encourage better attendance at practices and performances? Just saying "Be there or you're out of the band" is not a good idea with this particular band. Thanks for any suggestions. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" Subject: (bagpipe) Judging Certification Exams Date: 08 Mar 2000 16:26:43 GMT Hi all, This is a question for any and all persons on this list who has written the judging exams for their associations. My assoc, is as most, desperate for judges. They are asking me to the sit the exam. One part theory, one part aural. My question to the group is this..how did you prepare for the exam? I do not play any other instruments and have no formal education in music. I'm not a composer... I'd like to be as prepared as one can be for this exam....they haven't even told me when the actual exam will be, so I don't even know "how long" I have to prepare... Any and all help is greatly appreciated! I really had no thoughts of judging just yet, I'm still competing myself and have two bands to run at competitions, but I feel somewhat compelled to help where I can so I know I am not contributing to the problem but helping eleviate it. Your thoughts please... Lori - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ewan A. Macpherson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Taking Ivory pipes to Scotland from the states Date: 08 Mar 2000 11:38:11 -0500 gaypiper@mindspring.com wrote: > > What you need to do is act now. Get hold of the U.S. Fisheries & Wildlife > Department to get what is called a CITES permit. On this topic, there's info on required CITES permits to/from Canada at: http://www.cws-scf.ec.gc.ca/cites/note7_e.html -- Ewan Macpherson http://www-personal.umich.edu/~emacpher/pipes.html - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bo Møller-Nielsen" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Website for bagpipe supplies Date: 08 Mar 2000 18:20:53 +0100 Try Bob Dunsire's Bagpipe Web Directory - The Mother of all Web Dir. http://members.aol.com/bagpipeweb/ -- Cheers Bo Moeller-Nielsen Dontonton skrev i meddelelsen <20000308081359.02592.00000660@ng-fg1.aol.com>... >What's a good website for bagpipe supplies such as reeds, etc? > >-Don >dontonton - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" Subject: (bagpipe) Meg Ross Reeds!!! WOW!! Date: 08 Mar 2000 17:34:37 GMT I just received my first shipment of MegRoss Reeds, in the prescribed timeline...(within 2 weeks of my order) from one coast to the other. They are comparable in price with reeds I have ordered from the UK etc. I hauled out both of my best Sinclair chanters...one an early 80's and one a late 80's model...For a big, rich band sound, I've not heard anything with this "oomph" for years!! They vibrate easily...like the Warnocks they are most definitely modelled after, but the sound that eminates from that chanter with these reeds is ALOT different. The reeds were first of all, playable...every one of them...right out of the box... How many of you have, in the past, ordered reeds from one supplier or another to find that in a dozen you get only maybe 4 or 5 good ones, and 2 or 3 that would suffice and the rest was junk?? I ordered to start with, 3 dozen easy to medium (for my grade 5 bunch) and 3 dozen goooood medium ones for the rest of us. First I tried them in the old chanter...(it being my preferred chanter when band playing, simply because it has more wood in it and creates a bigger sound, and is set slightly flatter than the newer model) I received a very full bodied, balanced scale from top to bottom, that sweetened ever so slightly with about 20 mins of playing...The stability of the reed is incredible...(no wonder SFU is playing them) These reeds I also found are very easy to blow steadily...no effort for the sweet high A, No effort blowing out b's etc til the reed is settled...virtually I blew what was there and was very pleased with it. The reed vibrates, no matter what the strength, very well. Now for solo playing, I have always opted for the newer chanter...simply because it produces a very sweet sound..(higher pitched) I can use a relatively new reed...to get the crispness needed...but its not horribly flat as so many good reeds are when you first pop them in. I was very pleased with the sweet tone that I got right off the bat...again well balanced...not so volumnous Im afraid, but again, this chanter has less wood and is pitched a good degree higher than the old one. After 20 mins the reed held its tone and was easy to blow steadily I'm not aware that too many folks here on the east coast are playing them...so we may be the first band this summer east playing them. I'll let you know my thoughts again at the end of the summer. All in all....I have a hunch that I will be ordering future reeds from MegRoss....see their website for contact info Megros.com or contact me if you have any questions... Slainte, Lori - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: horse hair sporan Date: 08 Mar 2000 13:19:43 -0400 LFpiper wrote in message <20000308082322.01698.00001342@ng-bg1.aol.com>... >does anybody know how to clean a horse hair sporan.Also does anybody have any >tricks to straighten it, mine tends to bend to one side. > lee Yes.....very simple............. The Scots sucked you English and Yanks in on this horshair baloney......get yourself a proper sporran, and stop looking rediculous ! David - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: band advice needed Date: 08 Mar 2000 13:31:01 -0400 jmarie6741@my-deja.com wrote in message <8a5m4r$hs7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >My band is competing for the first time in grade 5 this season. >We have some pipers and drummers that have had the band competition >experience so we know somewhat how to handle it > >Now a problem has cropped up. The problem is that band >practice attendance has really dropped off in the last few months...etc....etc... OK....WHO decided you were going to compete ?......determine what factors have caused the attendance drop off ?........quietly survey ALL your members and get a feel for why they are in the band, and what THEY want to do.......no leading questions.......let them put it in their own words.............document the responses............. Not learning anything new can be a major demotivator.....for the senior members, why turn out to practice stuff you have been playing for years...........possibly you need a two or three tiered practice, starting early for beginners, later joined by experienced members, then later the newbies drop out as you do competition stuff............... Are the decision makers communicating with the rank and file ? (communications is two way) Is there a clearly stated "mission statement" so all members know what the real goal is? and if there is, and the attendance has dropped off.....well......... In summary.....the short answer........ASK THEM David - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: band advice needed Date: 08 Mar 2000 18:16:55 -0000 The same thing happened with my old band - no interest, little skill, no good teaching. In fact there was no point in going as they had kept the same sets since the band was formed in 1952 (that is not a misprint). Then five years ago two of us started a new band, we were lucky, very very lucky and got an ex Scots Guards P/M to be our P/M. The standard went up by leaps and bounds and we started to attract a lot of good players. We now have one open, 3 grade 1, 2 grade 2, 2 grade 3 and the rest are grade 4----. A few weeks ago our lead tip left the Army and is now with 'full time' - he is the ex lead tip Irish Guards and within a few weeks has sorted out drummers. The amazing thing is that we are attracting more and more drummers. Last week the band won (by a large margin) a grade 4 quartete comp. and hope to win a mini band comp next month. Next year we will start in earnest on the comp curcuit. I do not mean to sound flashy, but it was bringing a skilled piper to the band that made all the difference, we started 5 years ago with just two of us and now on a good night I have counted 28 pipers and 9 drummers. As each month passes the word spreads and more come, just two days ago a new piper showed up who turned out to be a piping teacher of a very good local band. Tonight a member of the COW is coming along, aparently he is over in the UK until August, I will be interested to hear what he thinks of our crowd. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: band advice needed Date: 08 Mar 2000 13:24:14 -0500 On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:16:55 -0000, "Peter Anderson" wrote: >Tonight a member of the COW is coming along, >aparently he is over in the UK until August, I will be interested to hear >what he thinks of our crowd. Och, that'd be John Whyte, over in London for an internship ... We want him back when you're done with him!!! Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton ToneCzar@erols.com http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bdunsire@aol.comNOSPAM (Bob Dunsire) Subject: (bagpipe) Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter Date: 08 Mar 2000 18:32:42 GMT Greetings, Last night at my daughters' band practise I took some reading with my new Sound Level Meter. Quite a few of the parents there were interested in the results, so I thought I'd share them here too.. First - the band had 14 pipers last night - and practise in a fairly large university lecture hall. (Robert Malcolm Memorial Juvenile PB - practice at Simon Fraser University) With just the pipers - readings taken at the position where I'd get the same sound level as the pipers' were exposed to.. 100 - 103 dB. Pipers and Drummer - checking all around the back of the circle, again trying to find the sound they were exposed to.. 100 - 105 dB I had more fun that that, but my conclusion was... the sound level of that band, in that location, is not one that will or should cause hearing problems for them. (Generally an hour per day of 105 dB is considered acceptable. Two hours per day of 100dB is usually considered acceptable.) As a parent I have always been curious.. (as a Piper I was not as worried - kinda strange?) I will, with my new toy, take readings in different practise locations, and report if anything interesting shows up.. Bob D. ------------- (having much fun with web pages, including: http://members.aol.com/bdunsire http://members.aol.com/bagpipeweb (Bagpipe Web Directory - 1000+ links) http://www.user.dccnet.com/bcpipers/index.htm (BC Pipers' Association)) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bdunsire@aol.comNOSPAM (Bob Dunsire) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scotch Date: 08 Mar 2000 18:57:44 GMT >I know you like all those Bob, to the extent you smuggle some in to >events where they are unavailable, but didn't I see you with Dr. >Pepper in your Lagavulin on one occasion? Oh Ken, that still is a sad memory.. I think I need to clear this up, lest someone get the wrong idea.... A short story: The evening's formal event had completed, a few of us were sitting around having pleasant conversation, I turned my back on my drink, and heard a "oohh yuch!.. what is that!" and turned just in time to see a youngster, in the middle of combining all the drink remnants from the table into one.. my cup-o-Lagavulin.. I was too late.. and .. well.. a sad memory that. Bob D. ------------- (having much fun with web pages, including: http://members.aol.com/bdunsire http://members.aol.com/bagpipeweb (Bagpipe Web Directory - 1000+ links) http://www.user.dccnet.com/bcpipers/index.htm (BC Pipers' Association)) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 08 Mar 2000 14:25:15 -0500 12/8 is to 6/8 as 4/4 is to 2/4. when you change a bar of 12/8 into two bars of 6/8, you theoretically change thr triplets from SwMw to Sw SW. By the sxame token , you could write walzes in 6/8 played as if each bar of 6/8 were two bars of 3/8. Zudupiper wrote: > >If > >you take a tune like Brown Haired Maiden and just eliminate half of > >the bar lines, this is not at all what I mean. > > Right. You have to change the values of all the notes. It's not as simple as > eliminating bar lines. > > But you can add bar lines to turn a 12/8 into a 6/8 with no other changes, > right? > > Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Meg Ross Reeds!!! WOW!! Date: 08 Mar 2000 19:28:10 GMT In article <38C69436.3A8A@earthlink.net>, Mickpiper@earthlink.net wrote: > I ordered about 6 hard ones from them and I like the sound in the > Sinclair's too. I find that sometimes I need to pinch right in the > middle to get the flat F to sharpen but, that could just be me. > > Brian My instructor noticed the same flat "F" in his Naill chanter, with the hard reeds. But, they are very nice reeds. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Judging Certification Exams Date: 08 Mar 2000 19:46:48 GMT This is the second note someone has written me on why I shouldn't be a judge.... I have been playing pipes for long enough that I know all the drawbacks...I'm going to do it because I think I can contribute and give back to my association... Now, for the second time.... please, I was asking how people who have their certs...prepared for the theory part of the exam thanks in advance, Lori ccc31807 wrote in message <00aa9a9c.05cc4166@usw-ex0105-038.remarq.com>... >I have no thoughts on judging or qualifying to be a judge. I do >have some thoughts as to obligations of judges, by virtue of >having been required to employ judges at piping competitions. > >Do not have your name put on the list unless (1) you are serious >about your committment to help judge piping competitions and (2) >you are willing to do so at some personal sacrifice, both in >time and money. > >It is a miserable job, and from my standpoint, judges, most of >them and the best of them, see this as a way to put back >something into piping as a small remuneration for having taken >much in the past. Unless you are willing to give, and give >freely and at personal cost, don't do it. > >That said, this is one of those jobs where it's better to have >someone stand in and do it, even though it's done wrong, than to >wait until it can be done right and consequently doesn't get >done at all. > > >* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * >The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve White" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: band advice needed Date: 08 Mar 2000 19:50:03 -0000 I've been in exactly the same situation. In the end I moved to find a new band "really" interested in competing. Sounds like you have what is essentially a hobbyist / fun band .... nothing wrong with that .... until some of you realise you have potential. The trouble is, that unless you communicate fully and are VERY organised you upset the applecart by raising the stakes. You also have to accept that some of the players aren't into putting any work in - they will want to treat it casually as before. Its a very delicate balance. You can try and handle it delicately and gradually up the ante - but that will take time. Or - you can do as I did and jump ship / form a new band / amalgamate with another band. That's all I can offer, well apart from wishing you good luck. Cheers, Steve White jmarie6741@my-deja.com wrote in message <8a5m4r$hs7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >My band is competing for the first time in grade 5 this season. >We have some pipers and drummers that have had the band competition >experience so we know somewhat how to handle it. Our band is mainly a >memorial band, not a competition band. We do many performances each >year, up to 40 band and 20 solo. > >Now a problem has cropped up. The problem is that band >practice attendance has really dropped off in the last few months. Also >attendance at performances has been poor with almost 50% of the pipers >not attending. These are usually the same people that don't attend >practices regularly. Our drummers have been there; almost 100% >attendance. (yeah, drummers!) We are working on some familiar tunes, >getting them ready for competition. New stuff has not been added for >at least 6 months, although we have been preparing for competition for >only 2 months. > >So, my question is, what are some ways to encourage better attendance >at practices and performances? Just saying "Be there or you're out of >the band" is not a good idea with this particular band. > >Thanks for any suggestions. > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve White" Subject: (bagpipe) Salute to the newsgroup & its contributors Date: 08 Mar 2000 19:53:47 -0000 Hi all, Is it my imagination or has the signal to noise ratio increased considerably recently? Well done one and all! Cheers, Steve White - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve White" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter Date: 08 Mar 2000 19:42:35 -0000 Nice one Bob. I'm interested in this. Cheers, Steve White Bob Dunsire wrote in message <20000308133242.01933.00002478@ng-dc1.aol.com>... >Greetings, > >Last night at my daughters' band practise I took some reading with my new Sound >Level Meter. Quite a few of the parents there were interested in the results, >so I thought I'd share them here too.. > >First - the band had 14 pipers last night - and practise in a fairly large >university lecture hall. (Robert Malcolm Memorial Juvenile PB - practice at >Simon Fraser University) > >With just the pipers - readings taken at the position where I'd get the same >sound level as the pipers' were exposed to.. 100 - 103 dB. >Pipers and Drummer - checking all around the back of the circle, again trying >to find the sound they were exposed to.. 100 - 105 dB > >I had more fun that that, but my conclusion was... the sound level of that >band, in that location, is not one that will or should cause hearing problems >for them. (Generally an hour per day of 105 dB is considered acceptable. Two >hours per day of 100dB is usually considered acceptable.) > >As a parent I have always been curious.. (as a Piper I was not as worried - >kinda strange?) > >I will, with my new toy, take readings in different practise locations, and >report if anything interesting shows up.. > > >Bob D. >------------- >(having much fun with web pages, including: >http://members.aol.com/bdunsire >http://members.aol.com/bagpipeweb (Bagpipe Web Directory - 1000+ links) >http://www.user.dccnet.com/bcpipers/index.htm (BC Pipers' Association)) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Counihan Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scotch Date: 08 Mar 2000 20:38:14 GMT > My preference is on the Macallan side Being a confirmed and resolute stout drinker (Guinness or Murphy's), I'm waying in on the the McCallan vote also. My first drunk/hangover came at a tender young age on some type of whyskey and I have been unable to palette it since. Until I tasted the McCallan. Just like liquid smoke, especially the 18 yr old. -- Brian C. http://www.stcolumcille.com/ "If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose." - Deep Thought, Jack Handy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve White" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Worlds Qualifying Date: 08 Mar 2000 19:51:36 -0000 This doesn't sound very fair to me. Can you tell me / point me at .... an explanation of what the system will be? Cheers, Steve White piperdoon wrote in message <1a014600.4561af9c@usw-ex0110-075.remarq.com>... >This new system the RSPB is trying to implement for >qualifying at the Worlds is Bull Crap! All it does is give >the Scotish bands more chances to qualify than the overseas >bands. And they'll have an easier time to do so because >they'll be playing against less bands, 3 seperate times. >Overseas bands who weren't in the top six the previous year, >only get one chance to make it and against 12-15 bands. Why >should we pay huge amounts of money to go over there, and >have the cards stacked against us? They should at least give >us an opportunity to qualify here in Canada.....Bull >Crap!!!! > > >* Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Campbell Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Provo SFU Spectacular Date: 08 Mar 2000 17:00:03 -0500 MMorgan634 wrote: > Bruce: > Don't forget that Monte and I are still here in the land of Osmochops and > lurking about on the fringes of this NG. We could probably do scotch in the > hottub when all is said and done. > > Marilyn First Prize for Best Non-Sequitur & Inadvertently Posted Proposition of the Day! Doug C. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter Date: 08 Mar 2000 18:27:00 -0400 Yes Bob......keep us posted ! David Steve White wrote in message <8a6cah$1b2l$1@quince.news.easynet.net>... >Nice one Bob. I'm interested in this. >Cheers, >Steve White > > >Bob Dunsire wrote in message ><20000308133242.01933.00002478@ng-dc1.aol.com>... >>Greetings, >> >>Last night at my daughters' band practise I took some reading with my new >Sound >>Level Meter. ........etc....etc.... - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Wood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: band advice needed Date: 08 Mar 2000 23:13:26 GMT Our band does about 20 parades/performances and try for 6-10 contests. This is not an insane amount of jobs...especially since the stated reason for their band was memorials. We have the opposite happening though. We formed with 10 players and now our ranks are up to 60 members with 35 performing members(this includes parade and contest players).(all in four years) We have good leadership, good instruction and great members willing to put the time in. Matt ROMPD NJ, USA castle_dangerous@my-deja.com wrote in article <8a6cik$3o3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > 40 jobs? That is just insane. > > >We do many performances each year, up to 40 band and 20 solo. > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter Date: 08 Mar 2000 19:07:18 -0500 Hi Bob... Would you do some research with the sound meter as follows.. Measure some good solo pipers... and what is the decibel level of the chanter versus the drones... of a well balanced set of pipes (say six inches from front of chanter ... six inches from top of drones).... versus get some measurements on pipers who a good soloist considers have poorly balanced pipes... I think this would add a quantitative set of data points to this aspect of piping... Thanks in advance.. Use things & love people not the other way around…Diana Leising Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( PekingPiper@mao.org ) Bob Dunsire wrote: > Greetings, > > Last night at my daughters' band practise I took some reading with my new Sound > Level Meter. Quite a few of the parents there were interested in the results, > so I thought I'd share them here too.. > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Matching odds and ends Date: 09 Mar 2000 00:16:28 GMT On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 00:56:50 GMT, "Matthew Wood" wrote: >OK, OK, my turn. > >As we all have experienced...CARVING. > >As an engineer I agree that the Kron capabilities are quite good. >But...Will this accurate reproduction eliminate the need for chanter >carving???...Yes??? NO??? *Carving* in the 78th Fraser sense, yes. Undercutting or some intonational adjustment will always be necessary due to the rather major differences in intonation each reed will manifest due to peculiarities in the elevation or gap at the lips, the volume of the throat or "tone chamber" and of course what brutalities the individual piper heaps upon these critical dimensions. In spite of what our Mr. Kirkwood claims, while Ken Eller, them man who "never" carves chanters, was involved in chanter making himself, he hand-pitched, or hand-filed/reamed/carved whatever the method, each note on the finished chanters. If you have very good "matched" reeds for strength as well as dimensions, you can pretty much get them perfectly tuned with a little tape here and there, and some very minor undercutting. But even those who "never" carve a chanter, find it inevitable that the big flat guys or strong reed blowers don't tune exactly on some intervals with the weak guys with the little nose-blower reeds. Carving, or customizing intonational settings particularly on F, D, C, and B, depending on the make of the chanter, as the problems manifest, is normal, not universal, and not supposed to be dramatic. >Until we can clone humans and clone the reeds >then we will still need to carve (or tape) each chanter...Even said that >the "classic" MarkII needed some carving. And there are a several reasons for "carving" for the sake of "carving." The first would be if you bought the Mark III, or just demanded that a particular reed play in a particular chanter for reasons of tone, and unfortunately the intonation was not good with the combination. You might do some wholesale hacking to get the reed to work and live with the deformed holes for the sake of the magic tone you wanted. Second, you might like the reed and chanter, but want to drive the combination even harder. So you might use the hardest reeds the guy makes, open them up a bit with a mandrel even, and then to get the whole chanter pitch up do the the resultant drop, you can do one of two things; shove the reed in to sharpen the upperhand, carve the lowerhand all to hell to match it, or leave the reed with balanced intonation, and undercut or carve every hole a little bit to bring the whole thing up in pitch. Generally speaking however, when I say "matched" chanters I mean with the same reed they'll play the same pitch and intonation. With similar reeds they'll be very close in pitch and intonation. When I say you need to get "matched" chanters from a maker, I'll use the veteran Warmac as an example. The generation 1 was very consistent. You could get any one from any run and it would tune up in the same *relative pitch* as any other generation with the same reed. The generation 2 *raised the relative pitch* but would tune with any other generation 2 with the same reed. Generation 1 and 2 however, were about 3-4 cents off in relative pitch. If you reeded up the generation one, it would sound beautiful or "balanced--which is some really lame term used by the GHB crowd that does not really define anything musically--in its *intonation.* The scale sounded good. If you reed up the generation 2 next to it, it's intonation would sound great as well. Its tone would sound great. They'd both sound great. But each and every note would be 3-4 cents off *base tuning.* That means together the *whole scale* is going to sound a bit off, and when you add to that general blowing innaccuracy, playing a tune at times you'll be at opposite extremes and compound the error to the point where it's just plain annoying. So then comes the generation 3. Now, with the two just mentioned, you can dork with reeds and tape and a little carving to tune them perfectly together. Add another 3 or 4 cents difference now, and the generation 3 is not going to play with the generation 1 without some more involved goofing around. Back to the Gibson example. Gibson himself says nobody can tell the difference between his new "solo" and "band" chanters. Likewise, the older chanters have similarly great variances in *base pitch.* I had a set of 93's, which were good up till 95 I think. They came in around 472 or something. In 96, Gibson's pitch shot to 478 or 480 by some counts. No way in hell can you get the set I had from 93 to play in with that, without greatly carving every single hole, even after you've shoved the reed way in. (This what the Frasers have done with their old Sinclairs to get up to their present pitch. The fact is, most of the bands playing "Sinclairs" and giving so much credit to the name and it's great "tone" are playing Sinclairs that have had the living shite carved out of them so the holes are twice the size of the ones you get with the original model, and if they were playing without these radical modifications, the "tone" would be about half of what Sinclair gets credit for.) I think the 96, or at least some of them, looked identical to the 93-5 models. I'm not certain all the 96 line kept the same pitch or external dimensions, but I think there was also a pitch change that dropped in 96. In 97, the external look of the chanter changed to a much thinner walled, slender-necked version that seemed pitch around 474-6, and internal changes were probably made that greatly improved the upperhand smoothness and projection, and solved for the most part the chanter's dependence on MacAllister reeds, which were no longer available. Then in 98 or late 97, a "solo" version of the 97 was produced. The 97 was still sold as a "band" version in 98, but I think in 99, the pitch of 97 chassis was dorked with and there again evolved at least two pitches of the "band" version of that basic 97 design at the present time, along with a "solo" version, which may also come in different pitches. On top of this, going back a ways, not sure how far, but in the 80's and early 90's I think there was another design entirely, and I don't think it was based on the "Sinclair" of the more recent models, but externally if I recall correctly it was very similar to the 93 set I had. So if you have a bag-0-Gibsons you can range from about 470-480, they are not all uniquely identifiable by external design flags, and those even most recent, externally identical models, vary in both base pitch and tonal or intonational qualities, and in the last 3 years base pitch still ranges in these variants from 474-480 or thereabouts. Going back the the Warmac, you have 3 clearly identifiable external design flags telling you exactly what version you own. Each variant is entirely consistent for base pitch and intonation to a very good tolerance, within these 3 versions. If a dealer, or your drunken cousin, or some guy on the street corner, offers you a bag-O-Warmacs, in about two seconds you can see what version they all are from grossly obvious external, and if it's all the same, they are a "matched" set because they have been precisely machined from the same, unchanged spec as all the others in that "generation." Kron has a number of pitch/intonational/tonal tweaks in the last few years as well, however, they aren't so severe that they won't all tune together, and each chanter is clearly marked with a production number so the maker can tell you the run/tooling/spec/reamer used. And beyond that, even the new "higher" pitched models aren't really "pitched" in the classic GHB sense. You tell Kron where you want them to tune. The ability to buy new chanters to match your own, even if the new ones have a different, and indeed better tone/reamer/spacing/etc than the ones you bought years back, is permanent. This is only possibly due to a complete control over the technology and theory of the instrument. So instead of pulling a Gibson, or a Shepherd, and dicking around with a good design, and then scrapping last year's simply because you don't have the technological know-how or versatility to run off whatever the hell you want whenever the hell you need to, you tell Kron what you need to match and bingle bangle bongle, keystroke, keystroke, keystroke, out comes a chanter in *your* pitch matching *your* chanters, even if they aren't Krons. You end up with the GHB falling into the same category of "real" instruments, where you can show up at a gig with one Fender and one Takamine and a Baldwin and a Sho-bud and they all tune together, not because the same troglodyte with a wood chisel and driling jig arrived at by years of poking about was really accurate with his ruler that day, but because they were designed by engineers to play at an agreed upon pitch. Shepherd's new chanter is the worst example of this Neanderthal GHB mentality. It's almost just out of spite that he's actively dumped the mark II and simpy refuses to make it. "This is the pitch, this is the intonation, this is the tone you will have" he's determined and now you just have to live with it. As far as matching his old model, well, just get stuffed. But the truth is, with modern production techniques there's no reason you couldn't pitch the same basic bore over a wide range on demand. Royce (And then watch it get taped and carved anyway.) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Provo SFU Spectacular Date: 09 Mar 2000 00:34:21 GMT On 07 Mar 2000 04:40:15 GMT, hathabodhran@cs.com (HATHABODHRAN) wrote: >Royce: > >The last thing I heard was Utah is closed. I am surprised you have not >received a busy signal when trying to contact any of us. And you just keep >your hands of my djembe!! I'm travelling light, but I'm debating the wisdom of sending my djembe through the baggage handling. If there's a band or session there I'd really like to play. I'd hate to drag it along for nothing though. >Your contact man is Dan Stuart, I believe his e-mail is on the web page. If >not, I believe I have his direct number at my work. I have two numbers for the >Provo Marriott, 801-377-4700, FAX is 801-377-4708 and of course the toll free >1-800-777-7144. As far as I know the thing is still on. I sent my hard earned >money to the festival and we all know drummers don't make any money. I guess we're set for accomodations, but the Marriot was entirely uninformed about the "special rate" and said to talk to the promoter, so we're staying at the "Crap-O-Lodge" with the cracked pool down on University diagonal toward the hospital. Or the dumpster down behind Reams on Center street. (Well, maybe the Travel Lodge near the Marriot.) > >>a ceilidh to play it at, or is this ceilidh some >>Scottish-dressup thing for the old duffers. > >Not sure about the ceilidh. Andrew's ceilidh band is playing, they are called >Shanahay. Pretty good group but they are in desperate need of some percussion, >(subtle hint from a Bodhran and bones hacker). Hey, if you're on bodhran, then your djembe is free.... >Bring your whistle. Not sure >what key Andrew's Lowland Pipes are keyed in. They are probably playing some >of the same tunes you played in SCERA so the adjustment won't be too difficult. > Should be a good time, but how good can it be in Provo? Maybe the Zetlands can come along if they're good. They're in D. But the whistle with definitely come. How about we invite all the Irish session-types to the ceilidh, where we'll plot the real ceilidh sometime over the weekend? > >See you there. >Bruce With bells on. Royce (I'll be morris dancing at half-time.) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Water Trap Date: 09 Mar 2000 00:24:51 GMT On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 05:38:07 -0800, ccc31807 wrote: >In article <38c4786e.824742@news.mn.mediaone.net>, >pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) wrote: >>The spring whistles when you blow through it. Don't use a >spring. >> >>Royce > >Yes, it does. Sounds like an asthma wheeze. Noticable when you >blow up your bag. > >However, if you can hear it while you are playing, it's not the >great Highland bagpipe you have it in. Haven't been to any piobaireachd indoor contests eh? Royce (Yo din hinar...wheeeze...Ho din hinar...wheeeze) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Provo SFU Spectacular Date: 09 Mar 2000 00:46:53 GMT On 08 Mar 2000 21:10:42 GMT, mmorgan634@aol.com (MMorgan634) wrote: >Bruce: >Don't forget that Monte and I are still here in the land of Osmochops and >lurking about on the fringes of this NG. We could probably do scotch in the >hottub when all is said and done. > >Marilyn Hey, you guys help me round up all the heathen slackers and gentile, nonmember, apostate, weak-testimonied ceilidh mongers so we can cruise Center street with out SFU CD's playing really loud on the car's boomer system on Friday. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Dating Kintails Date: 09 Mar 2000 01:01:04 GMT On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:54:35 -0500, wrote: >Well, to start with, no set of Kintails is any older than say, 1978, give or >take a few years. The pipes you described sound like the old Kintail >"chalice top" drones which were popular for a while. If they're from the >early Kintail days, they likely sound a bit stuffy and without a very rich >sound. Kintail's quality in that era was far better than his current stuff, >though I'm sure someone will disagree with me. > >Bill Burt I'm sure Iain Sherwood will. Royce (Not me.) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Matching odds and ends Date: 09 Mar 2000 00:56:14 GMT On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 04:25:25 GMT, "Matthew Wood" wrote: >This was my point. If we will carve, tape and adjust does the accuracy >down to 0.001" matter? For all the reasons of "base pitch" it matters as just posted elsewhere. More importantly, certain dimensions, the throat area of the chanter and wall thickness, the reed seat and others, make big differences in in tonal quality, particularly the upperhand strength or lowerhand stability. The dreaded "collapsing F" or wonky D, B, or F is another big reason you want that sort of precision. Once you get a design that overcomes these problems as much as possible, you don't want to have to pass off every 2nd or third chanter as just not quite as "full" or "stable" as the others. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Bowen" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Verdict Date: 09 Mar 2000 00:34:28 GMT 1) Might not have to check his bags. The smart money says he's staying! 2) My good friend in CT owns a log cabin and you're right. Nothing quite like it! Especially when the cat landed on the cast iron stove, which is probably what will happen when Mitchell cranks up Angus! By the way, has Angus ever been up on two wheels before? 3) I could be mistaken, but I think the band will be drinking free at Hooters and that John may be finding his own way home... and it may take a few days! Bring your camera! Good luck with him, Maeve. I'm flying to SF and LA for the weekend and would gladly exchange tickets with Mitch, however the west coast has not received sufficient warning! Ringo Maeve wrote in message news:38c648e4_1@news3.paonline.com... > John Mitchell wrote in message > news:38c5f5c4_4@127.0.0.1... > > Well, I'm off to see Maeve on Thursday. She said she'll give > > me a shot at trying these legendary pipes named Angus! > > Well you know me, I'll let ewe all know if their as good as > > my homegrown Gibby's. This should be interesting! :-) > > Yep!!!!!! I can't wait for you to get here!!!! It was a great sneak preview > speaking with you on the phone last night :) :) :) :) I'm like a kid waiting > for Christmas here!!! Angus is geared up and ready for the challenge :) :) > :) But I fear I might have another problem on my hands . . . it's enough > that I have to watch Dave's every move around Angus!!!!!! KNOW that I will > be checking your bags on your return flight out of here!!!! :) > > > It'll be my job to introduce Maeve to the darker side of piping. > > That's Jigs, reels and hornpipes played in "Kit-chin Sti-Yell"! HEHE! > > THIS I really can't wait to see!!!!!!!! I LOVE IT! And I have the greatest > kitchen in the world for piping ;) :) :) :) The acoustic qualitity of a > two-story log home cannot be beat!!!!!!! But this is what the band does > AFTER practice and we'll get a shot at it ALMOST as soon as you get off the > plane. Better get some sleep while in those planes :) :) It will be a long > night!!!!!! > > > Anyway, I need a volley of support from the NG here! > > Mauve is boycotting a pub night at Hooters on the Saturday, > > where the local band is playing. It's one of those principle things! > > What can I possibly say to change her mind! Sounds like it could > > be a right laugh and she'll miss out on it! > > Well, it's getting close here . .. visions of John Mitchell laying on the > floor of Hooters playing Angus is not something I would want to miss :) :) > :) :) :) There was a dispute amongst some of the band members a few weeks > ago. One of the players was miffed at the rest of the band for whatever and > asked "What about PRINCIPLES?!?!?!?" I calmly looked up and said, "We're > pipers . . . do we HAVE principles?" Remembering my own statement, I am > having to reconsider just what it is that has kept me out of Hooters for the > last decade or so . ... . there's a few more days before the gig . . .. . > I'M MELTING!!!!!!!!!!! This should be a riot!!!!!!! > -- > Love and Light be with you, > Maeve . . . in sunny Florida! > http://people.delphi.com/terralyn > authoring sandykeith.com > "To live is the rarest thing in the world. > Most people exist, that is all." > Oscar Wilde > > > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Wood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Matching odds and ends Date: 09 Mar 2000 01:09:41 GMT Thanks Royce. That was what I was trying to get. I did not think the tolerances were that "big" of a deal on the holes, but on the throat it is most critical. Matt Royce Lerwick wrote in article <38c6f515.14500453@news.mn.mediaone.net>... > On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 04:25:25 GMT, "Matthew Wood" > wrote: > > >This was my point. If we will carve, tape and adjust does the accuracy > >down to 0.001" matter? > > For all the reasons of "base pitch" it matters as just posted > elsewhere. More importantly, certain dimensions, the throat area of > the chanter and wall thickness, the reed seat and others, make big > differences in in tonal quality, particularly the upperhand strength > or lowerhand stability. The dreaded "collapsing F" or wonky D, B, or F > is another big reason you want that sort of precision. Once you get a > design that overcomes these problems as much as possible, you don't > want to have to pass off every 2nd or third chanter as just not quite > as "full" or "stable" as the others. > > Royce > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: looking for used bagpipe?? Date: 09 Mar 2000 01:17:24 GMT > $700 for used plastic pipes? What the #$%^ > It's probably Canadian $ and includes case, reeds and everything. Not such a bad deal in that case. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: band advice needed Date: 09 Mar 2000 01:32:16 GMT >40 jobs? That is just insane. > That's about the size of a tidy solo business. But for a band, that's way too much unless you're a for-profit organization. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Loosing Air!! Date: 09 Mar 2000 01:05:37 GMT On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:51:42 -0500, "John Mitchell" wrote: >> My qusetion is will the seasoning stop this, and let me get thru till the >end >> of March or should i try to get a new bag >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bill > >Dump the hide bag, and get a Ross. End all problems! Fairy tales, can come through, it can happen to you...if you buy a Ross.... Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Verdict Date: 09 Mar 2000 01:23:08 GMT >Well, I'm off to see Maeve on Thursday. Beware Maeve's Motel. The pipers check in, but they don't check out! johnnie, we hardly knew ye. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: band advice needed Date: 09 Mar 2000 01:34:45 GMT >Ask yourself what you would rather do, go to the cottage or spend it >at a dismal memorial service. > You pay, I play. That's one reason I'm not in a band. Weekend performances, gigs for free. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Salute to the newsgroup & its contributors Date: 09 Mar 2000 01:36:46 GMT >Is it my imagination or has the signal to noise ratio increased considerably >recently? This too shall pass ; ) Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scotch Date: 08 Mar 2000 14:18:53 -0900 kingfisher wrote: > mixing fine single malt with anything other than a drop or two of spring > water? what's happening to youngsters now days? damn.. > > pete Out for a drink with the pater years back, and he ordered a malt (can't remember which one). The bartender asked if he wanted water or soda in it, to which my father replied "NO! - Just put it in a glass, the way God made it!" Words to live by, Cheers, Michael - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Salute to the newsgroup & its contributors Date: 08 Mar 2000 21:57:02 -0500 It is the climax of the off-season. Not too much for people to argue about anymore. Wait until competitions start up again. Steve White wrote in message news:8a6cvi$1bi3$1@quince.news.easynet.net... > Hi all, > > Is it my imagination or has the signal to noise ratio increased considerably > recently? Well done one and all! > > Cheers, > Steve White > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Provo SFU Spectacular Date: 09 Mar 2000 00:42:48 GMT On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 21:42:24 -0800, ferraridrones wrote: >Royce, >if needs be, I'll put you up... Maybe a ride from the airport, but we've got a place. My wife and I are making something of a 20th wedding anniversary trip of it. >but please don't slam the guys at >NACAF... Provo Marriot pulled one of their no-brainer's, made a sweet >deal to be the host hotel and everything... then forgot to write it >down and give it to the idiots answering the phones and the management, >etc. Don't worry about the actual events... the Marriot got that >straight (probably because they got paid for that)... They totally >dropped the ball on the housing... it was big enough to be felt by >everyone here... If anyone else out there is having housing problems... >contact Dan Stuart at 801-356-8808, or by e-mail danstuart@aurora.com. >Dan is working on the situation and will have results by the time most >of you read this. Yes, we started trying to firm up plans a couple of months ago and the web site wasn't really up and the Marriot didn't have a clue. Then it looked like the Master's Invitational vanished from the lineup. My wife's been working on the plans, so we got registered, then began to wonder if anything was coming off or what, then it looked like we were actually going to be needed to play in Chicago the same weekend in the miniband contest, so she tried to cancell it, then we decided neither of us were up on the new band's material enough to have to worry about a contest yet, so I think we're still set to go and have the tickets and everything. For a while there though, things were pretty iffy. > >Royce... as for the ceilidh... get ready to PARTY! No Stuff Shirts >Allowed... bring whatever you need to hang... djembe (got that)... >wistle (bring it)... and enjoy. I'm heading for the concert on Thursday as well, assuming the flights connect and I can get from the Airport to Provo in time. I paid for the tickets so I'll be showing up one way or another, even if I have to buy a car. Look for the big Minnesota-looking guy in a Brian Boru black pullover exhibiting obnoxious and un-Utah-like cheering behaviors. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Verdict Date: 09 Mar 2000 03:03:31 GMT >Beware Maeve's Motel. The pipers check in, but they don't check out! > >johnnie, we hardly knew ye. > What do you think she will be calling John's pipe's?! Jim - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Verdict Date: 08 Mar 2000 23:19:42 -0500 Ron Bowen wrote in message news:okCx4.28491$e53.1083368@news20.bellglobal.com... > 1) Might not have to check his bags. The smart money says he's staying! Well, I have already asked my husband if I could keep him for a pet. I've always been the one to bring home the strays . .. . ;) :) :) Have fun on the West Coast . . . . I KNOW what fun WE are going to have here!!!!! And . ..yeah . .. I THINK that I might be doing the Hooter's thing . . . just can't risk missing the antics! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com authoring http://sandykeith.com "Moderation is a fatal thing. Nothing succeeds like excess." --- Oscar Wilde - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Website for bagpipe supplies Date: 09 Mar 2000 06:19:37 GMT http://www.houseofbagpipes.com Be carefull not to get lost, its a huge site. Lots to see. Mike - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: band advice needed Date: 09 Mar 2000 11:59:02 -0000 "Chris Hamilton" wrote in message news:0l6dcs8q3h6m9174tfu5tbsgq44c1u0hpb@4ax.com... > On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:16:55 -0000, "Peter Anderson" > wrote: > > >Tonight a member of the COW is coming along, > >aparently he is over in the UK until August, I will be interested to hear > >what he thinks of our crowd. > > Och, that'd be John Whyte, over in London for an internship ... > > We want him back when you're done with him!!! > > Chris > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Chris Hamilton Hi Chris Yep that was John. Nice chanter by the way (a loud Shepherd), the strange thing was that his pitch came in the same as ours. At the moment we are all using wooden Naill chanters - good for solo work but not loud enough for the band. We need more money before we upgrade. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Need 1 Shepherd Mark III chanter! Date: 09 Mar 2000 08:23:05 -0500 John, break the bank! Isn't $25 a bit high for a Shepherd chanter? ;) Bill John Mitchell wrote in message <38c71637$1_5@127.0.0.1>... >Don't ask why, I just need one to replace this one >that I just completely balluxed! > >I'll pay up to $25! > > > > > >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >-----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: band advice needed Date: 09 Mar 2000 07:25:03 -0500 On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:59:02 -0000, "Peter Anderson" wrote: >Hi Chris >Yep that was John. Nice chanter by the way (a loud Shepherd), the strange >thing was that his pitch came in the same as ours. At the moment we are all >using wooden Naill chanters - good for solo work but not loud enough for the >band. We need more money before we upgrade. As his, uh, U.S. Sponsor, I'll be skimming a tax off the top ... Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton ToneCzar@erols.com http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Smith Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kelsey's Wee Reel Date: 09 Mar 2000 17:00:11 +0000 I have it in BMW format, do you use BMW ? Chris Thomas wrote: > Anybody know where I might find Kelsey's Wee Reel, by Iain Symington? > It's on 78th Frasers's Flames of Wrath (awsome CD by the way). I've > checked Scotts Guards I (only book I've got at the moment). > > Thanks in advance, Chris. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Counihan Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Worlds Qualifying Date: 09 Mar 2000 16:38:43 GMT In article <38C57F6C.9DF32D50@vaxxine.com>, "Adrian M.Melvin" wrote: > I agree and I think that bands from overseas should send in letters to the RSPBA informing them of the discontent and one sided format it would be.It is > clearly unfair in my mind. > Adrian Melvin. > Adrian, Nice to see you on th NG again. Sounds like they want to stack the deck in favor of their own. Perhaps it has something to do with the increasing amount of overseas bands showing up in the prize list at all levels, not just the Gr I. -- Brian C. http://www.stcolumcille.com/ "If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose." - Deep Thought, Jack Handy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bdunsire@aol.comNOSPAM (Bob Dunsire) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter Date: 09 Mar 2000 17:47:40 GMT Hi Grahame, I am not an expert in this subject area - by any means. My understanding is that damage to hearing (related to sound levels) is done by a combination of sound level and the duration of the exposure. Generally, in the US, the numbers go like this: 95 dB - ok for 4 hours a day 100 dB - ok for 2 hours a day 105 bd - ok for 1 hour a day Given this, I understand why professionals (tuners of organs or even pipes) would wear hearing protection. >I tune organs for a living and have been told by old tuners that >anything over 98 decibels is harmful to hearing....always depending on >the time of exposure. Many tuners wear earplugs to protect their >hearing. Do you know of some updated info. on this subject? > >Best wishes...Grahame in Tucson (7 Piper's Society) > > Bob D. ------------- (having much fun with web pages, including: http://members.aol.com/bdunsire http://members.aol.com/bagpipeweb (Bagpipe Web Directory - 1000+ links) http://www.user.dccnet.com/bcpipers/index.htm (BC Pipers' Association)) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Thomas Subject: (bagpipe) Kelsey's Wee Reel Date: 09 Mar 2000 09:26:39 -0500 Anybody know where I might find Kelsey's Wee Reel, by Iain Symington? It's on 78th Frasers's Flames of Wrath (awsome CD by the way). I've checked Scotts Guards I (only book I've got at the moment). Thanks in advance, Chris. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Childrens Songs Date: 09 Mar 2000 11:01:37 -0500 If I remember correctly, there are some simple childres' tunes in Victoria Murgatroyd's bagpipe tutor, which may stil be downlaodable from the web. I don't still have theURL, but I know somebody here will. Robbie wrote: > R131Rescue wrote in message > <20000308155454.01550.00000918@ng-cb1.aol.com>... > >Does anyone know where I might find childrens songs written for the > bagpipes. > >I have hear that they are out there, (ex: mary had a little lamb) but I am > >unsure of where to find them. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in > >advanced. > > Most of them are pretty easy to figure out - when I play for kids I always > throw in my version of "This Old Man" which is very popular among the wee > tots as it was bastardized by Barney as his theme song. Sorry, but I play > this stuff from my head and never the exact same way twice. > > Robbie - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Meg Ross Reeds!!! WOW!! Date: 09 Mar 2000 21:16:19 GMT In article , "John and/or Lori Gaudet" wrote: > I suggested to Brian Pat, that I put NO moisture onto the reed and it > eliminated the problem for me. > I play a Ross Cannister System though....may be the difference > he is gonna try without moisture as he told me he was deliberately putting > moisture on the reed before starting to play! > Cheers, > Lori The majority of the hard reeds exhibited this tendancy right out of the box. He hasn't had time to work with them very much yet. But I'll let him know of your advise. Thanks. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Verdict Date: 09 Mar 2000 21:28:29 GMT In article <20000308235440.02151.00000159@ng-fb1.aol.com>, beginnertunes@aol.com (Beginnertunes) wrote: > Ummm... no I can't say it! Does it have anything to do with the title of a Shirley Temple movie?????? Here's a hint, Bill. "WWW" Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Steadiness and Reed Efficiency Date: 09 Mar 2000 23:58:38 GMT Once you have the rudiments of blowing and squeezing down, is steadiness more or less determined by the efficiency of your reed setup? What I mean is: you're never going to get even close to steady tone unless you're putting more air into the bag than is escaping through all the reeds. And once you've got that, it's a piece of cake to blow steady, and only a little more difficult to blow tone. If all the pipers out there could have an efficient setup, the only thing that would separate the open pipers from the grade 4's would be the fingers. Or is this heresy? Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Reed Discussion (warning: technical) Date: 10 Mar 2000 00:12:51 GMT I've been experimenting with alternate screws for my drone reeds (ex-Wygents). I started thinking, the bigger the better, and so far my results bear that out. Not only is this counter-intuitive at first, but almost laughable in practice. The huge head of the stove bolt on the end of the reed just barely fits into the stock at all. Nobody would expect it to even work, but it works like a champ. Anyhow. I did some measurements and some calculations. First I calculated the area of the stock (2-dimensional not 3-d), then subtracted the area of the head of the reed (whether standard Wygent, modified screw, or whatever) to get the "clearance". Then I calculated the area of the orifice of the reed (which admittedly varies from maker to maker and bass to tenor). And finally I took a ratio of the "reed head clearance" to "orifice area". My thinking is that the ideal ratio would be 1:1 and anything more is overkill and leads to inefficiency. Here are the ratios I came up with (Wygent tenor bodies): Standard Wygent screws: 5.8 Stove Bolts (uncoated): 1.9 Stove Bolts (coated): 1.8 Stove Bolts (coated 2x): 1.4 (coated 3x, I project, would get me to about 1.1 but if my math is off, the head of the bolt won't even fit into the stock at all, so I'm reluctant to apply any more coats) As the ratio goes down, efficiency goes up. Remarkably so. In laymans' terms, my hypothesis is that the ID of the stock doesn't need to be much bigger than the size of the orifice of the reed for maximum efficiency. Empirically, changing the screw makes a MUCH bigger difference than retonguing. Is anybody up for a discussion of this, and can anybody explain the physics behind it? Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Loosing Air!! Date: 10 Mar 2000 00:16:50 GMT >If I buy a Ross, will I go from gradeV to gradeI just by buying a >Ross? No. Buying a Ross bag will only get you to grade 4. Then you have to buy Ross drone reeds to get to grade 3. And a Ross kilt to get to grade 2. And play like Willie Ross to get to grade 1. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Steadiness and Reed Efficiency Date: 10 Mar 2000 01:05:03 GMT >And blowing steady is not just a piece of cake unless you're blowing >regularly and know what you're aiming for. What I really meant was this. My blowing is the same as it was 2 weeks ago. But my reed setup is much more efficient today than it was 2 weeks ago. As a result, my steadiness is a lot better. I know this just by listening to my pipes, because 2 weeks ago I could hear the drones waver at points where my blowing was sagging. Now, efficiency is up. The bag feels tighter under my arm. I seem to be able to blow in shorter puffs than before. The drones don't waver discernibly (to me at least) like they used to. What I'm saying is that the "delta" that happens when you stop squeezing and start blowing, that cushion if you want to call it that, seems to be bigger and that helps my steadiness. >And blowing tone is not just a little more difficult. It's an art Okay, I'm probably not blowing tone yet. What I do have though is a chanter that's in tune with the drones on all notes (except a wee flattish hiA), and the drones in tune with themselves. But I can tune up much more easily now, and I finish with the drones in tune with the chanter, even after an MSR (which for me is harder than a piob). It's a big step up for me. No, it's a HUGE step up for me. But if all it took was a better setup....howcum EVERYBODY's not doing this? Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bdunsire@aol.comNOSPAM (Bob Dunsire) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter Date: 09 Mar 2000 18:09:46 GMT Hi Richard, Sounded (ha ha) like fun, so I did a version of it: <> Actually - what I did was to take three readings : two at the left ear of the player - trying to get the noise level for a) drones only and b) drones and chanter and one about 3 feet away, and directly in front of the chanter. I took reading from a beginner piper (adult student of Alison's - less than a month on Naill pipes), a Grade 3 solo player (Grainger drones, Naill chanter), and a very good Grade 1 player (Naill drones, Naill chanter).. And I took readings in 5 different locations in our house..(yep just another night of piping in the Dunsire house...) I think I'll do this in considerable detail at some point, but for now, just some results.. Beginner (easy chanter reed) - big rooms - drones only - 90dB drones + - 96dB from the front - 102dB G3 (med / hard chanter) - big rooms (three) - drones - 88 to 90 dB drones + - 99 to 100 dB front - 105 to 106 dB small rooms - drones - 91 - 92 dB + - 102 -103 dB front - 108 G1 - (med hard chanter) - big rooms - drones - 92 + - 99-100 front - 106-108 small rooms - drones - 94-95 + - 102-104 front 108 A few (preliminary) confusions (oops - I mean conclusions): Volume of the room matters - the large rooms were similar in sound levels, and they varied from a finished 3 car garage - long and low - to a 20 by 30 entry hall with a 20 ft ceiling. Distance from wall matters - Floor material seems to matter little in these tests - Wood, carpet, concrete - room size and volume seemed to matter more - but see following. All rooms contained had considerable sound deadening material - and I know that changes results.. your mileage will vary.. Many interesting things too - Naill drones sound louder than Grainger, and .. well, they are louder.. I also took a reading with both girls playing.. large room.. single girl was 100 dB - for either.. combined, the result was 103dB (kind of suspicious, 'cause it is supposed to work that way..) Whew... well, I had fun with it anyway.. I love playing with stuff like this.. Bob D. ------------- (having much fun with web pages, including: http://members.aol.com/bdunsire http://members.aol.com/bagpipeweb (Bagpipe Web Directory - 1000+ links) http://www.user.dccnet.com/bcpipers/index.htm (BC Pipers' Association)) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thunder1z@aol.com (Thunder1z) Subject: (bagpipe) tune search: A Soldier's Song Date: 10 Mar 2000 03:33:24 GMT I'm seeking A Soldier's Song, preferably as a GIF, but shall gladly accept any form that someone would kindly supply. Many thanks for assistance. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: DOES THE REED CHANGE FREQUENCY Date: 09 Mar 2000 00:59:33 GMT >Does the reed change, open and close >faster or open wider when the notes are played or is the sound created in >the chanter itself with the reed simply providing a regular tone to be >modified in the chanter itself or some combination. I really don't know for sure, but I think the latter. If pipers are trying for stability and constant pressure it would make sense if the reed vibrates at a constant frequency and the different tones are produced by the length of the column of air beyond it. But maybe there's some sort of acoustic feedback that changes the chanter reed vibrations. Good question! Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Discussion (warning: technical) Date: 10 Mar 2000 04:03:54 GMT In article <20000309191251.02570.00000924@ng-fg1.aol.com>, zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: > I've been experimenting with alternate screws for my drone reeds (ex-Wygents). > I started thinking, the bigger the better, and so far my results bear that out. Here's another one to ponder. I cut the head off the Wygent tuning screw and that lowered the pitch of the reed. Think that head does something to the air flow? Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Black Pipe Cords and Pipe Bags Date: 10 Mar 2000 04:42:12 GMT Beginnertunes wrote: > >We found it > >doesn't really save you much, but you get good quality and EXACTLY what > >you want as far as colors, etc. > Man you must really live in ferrie land... > when I mentioned colors they laughed out loud, but > promised that they could order whatever color I'd like, > but I needed to order a minimun of 6 yards!!!!!!! to do so. Okay, maybe not exactly if you're looking to match a very precise color, but we found maybe a dozen or more fringe colors. I didn't mean so much as there's a million cord/tassle colors, but more that you can mix and match fringe and bag colors to get what you want, i.e. if you want a black bag with orange trim, you probably couldn't find one already made, but you could make up your own and get EXACTLY what you want. Andrew -- Andrew & Kristen Lenz alenz@alumni.cse.ucsc.edu Santa Cruz, California U.S.A. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz Subject: (bagpipe) Re: wygent reeds Date: 10 Mar 2000 05:14:41 GMT You will probably get good advice from the NG, but you can also just check out his site for an answer or e-mail Wygent himself: http://www.wygent.com/ Andrew -- Andrew & Kristen Lenz alenz@alumni.cse.ucsc.edu Santa Cruz, California U.S.A. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Robertson Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Original Highland Bagpipe Construction Date: 09 Mar 2000 21:21:11 -0800 > > > They used the "phenolic tree" in ancient times. > Which is from the species Delrin. But seriously, the others are correct I think if I remember my facts from the Bagpipe book I have. I might also be of interest to note that the mounts that we now take for granted as ornimentation, held the endgrain on the old sets from splitting. Cheers Don - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) John Mitchell is being held hostage!!!! Date: 10 Mar 2000 00:25:57 -0500 Yes, it's true! We have decided that John will be residing in Florida if WE have anything to say about it! This might not be much of a problem as he is adapting well to the temperatures!!!! At the moment, he is resting comfortably after a VERY trying day :) :) :) We've had a great time so far . . . I think I can safely speak for John!!!! The poor guy wasn't here a half an hour when he and Angus began to tangle :) John spent the afternoon getting Angus in peak condition for the band practice tonight! It was great fun watching him and listening to the two of them!! After dinner, we went to "practice" where the guys allowed him to audition and accepted him as a member of our band. A flurry of activity had John entirely uniformed and ready for a parade this Saturday, with the infamous Hooter's gig to follow. John's words to me after the guys had begun to deck him out?? "Maeve. . . I'm going to make you feel like a REAL woman . . . sew these patches on this shirt and iron it." I can't bring myself to type the reply I made to John . . .my image would be shattered!!!!! Practice was short tonight but the fun was LONG!!! John introduced us to his "Kitchen-style" piping, challenged the young drummers to keep up with him and wore them all out! GOOD SHOW! We have a rather peaceful day planned for tomorrow but I promised to let him get to the NG via MY computer . . . then you will hear HIS side of the story :) :) :) More to follow! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida! http://people.delphi.com/terralyn authoring sandykeith.com "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all." Oscar Wilde - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Provo SFU Spectacular Date: 10 Mar 2000 06:02:56 GMT On 09 Mar 2000 04:26:03 GMT, hathabodhran@cs.com (HATHABODHRAN) wrote: >>cruise >>Center street with out SFU CD's playing really loud on the car's >>boomer system on Friday. > >Sorry Royce. Ever since they made the only topless bar in Provo move from >Center Street, heathen activities have been moved beyond the city limits. Hey, wait a minute...isn't that the Novell building right down town by the city hall now? Apparently some heathen activities are permitted. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Quick fix for the Mark III Date: 10 Mar 2000 06:08:00 GMT On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 11:21:14 -0500, madman wrote: >John Mitchell wrote: >> >> Don't ask why, I just need one to replace this one >> that I just completely balluxed! >> >> I'll pay up to $25! >> > >Hey John...you can fix that unforgiving flat high-hand on those things >by >getting someone to put them on a lathe and cutting down the hemp tenon >by 3/32", >and then shoving a 1 degree 24 minute,half-round taper reamer into the >throat. >You'll also have to re-cut the reed seat a bit to compensate for cutting >it down. >Find a one degree-40 minute half-round taper reamer. > >You'll still have to cut into the bulb a bit, to compensate for the now >shortened hemp-tenon,so you get the same length of tenon in the stock. >This works phenomenally well on the Mark III...just use the above >mentioned tools. You know, couldn't Shepherd just do that? Then it would be the mark \IV, just like the famous Hardie that finally got made right. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Steadiness and Reed Efficiency Date: 10 Mar 2000 08:06:41 -0500 Chris Eyre wrote > And blowing tone is not just a little more difficult. It's an art that comes > from knowing every part of your instrument and the condition of your reeds > intimately. And that often involves more time and patience than many pipers > can afford or are dedicated enough to put in. One of the interesting, and depressing, aspects of achieving tone and efficiency a majority of the time is the off-day when little seems to be going right. Yesterday, the weather changed dramatically in Vermont, from 30s the day before to 60s, with humidity, the next day. The result was chaos, even with the Wygents After 30 min. of attempting to blow tone, I quit in disgust and decided to try again after the weather had stabilized in a day or two. These off-days, however, are exciting in a sense be- cause, having experienced tone and efficiency, I don't want to settle for anything less. The result, for now, is feeling a bit in-the-middle, i.e. knowing too much to go back to the old ways, and not knowing enough to handle extreme changes in conditions, and to blow tone, at least 90% of the time. I suspect that many pipers, in addition to lacking time and patience, also want to avoid confronting the occasional , but unavoidable, despair (I love the title of David Quinn's UP reed book - "The Piper's Despair") that comes from mucking about with reeds. Cheers. Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: wygent reeds Date: 10 Mar 2000 08:10:19 -0500 Andrew & Kristen Lenz > You will probably get good advice from the NG, but you can also just > check out his site for an answer or e-mail Wygent himself: > http://www.wygent.com/ I recently e-mailed Mark with some questions, and immediately received a phone call back. Mark and I had a long, and fruitful, discussion regarding the reeds, and what I could and could not expect Dua-tone-wise, in my Henderson-dimensioned Moore pipes. He was extremely helpful, and was free with his time and advice. Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Thomas Subject: (bagpipe) Thanks Dave and Mark! Date: 10 Mar 2000 08:39:57 -0500 Just a beginnier here, but I wanted to say a public thanks to Dave Atherton and Mark Lee. The pipes are fantastic..your craftsmanship is OUTSTANDING! ....And the reeds sound great (to an uneducated person like me). I've had absolutely no problems keeping the drones going and relatively steady....and I guarantee you it's not because of me! (Dang that pressure thing - will I ever get that e to stop warbling?). Had a lesson w/Donald Lindsay last night - WOW, my head is still spinning - tons of stuff to keep me busy for a while. Turns out he has a high opinion of Mark's reed too (just thought I'd add fuel to the fire ). Regards, Chris. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Strathspey Musings Date: 09 Mar 2000 01:15:40 GMT >I like Dorrator Bridge very much as well, and do not think it >all a cheesy tune. I would be interested in knowing why your >instructor feels the way he does about it. I like the chune too. It appealed to me as a simple tune to learn, and it was recommended to me by a couple of folks. Teacher doesn't play the tune. I showed him the music, he looked at it, fingered it over, said "I dinna like it" and that was that. Then he went into a dissertation about how ALL the 4-parted strathspeys in SG are hard. And finished by saying that he has "grave reservations" about my strathspey playing. Struan Robertson is still easier than last year's chune, Ewe with the Crooked Horn, but it's not an easy tune by any means. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: public safety pipe band? Date: 10 Mar 2000 09:34:04 -0400 Ha ! .......welcome to the reality...................David just a guy wrote in message <8a9kkr$5no$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>... >i'm currently working for a metro-atlanta police dept. and a small, >determined group of us are putting together a pipe/drum band from anyone >interested in our public safety dept. we have the blessing and support of >the chief but will not be (at least initially) a budgeted unit, and are >currently fundraising to purchase our highland attire. each piper will be >responsible for providing individual pipes. > >can anyone offer any first-hand advice on fundraising? grants? donations? >pros/cons on being a self-sustaining unit (raising our own money) versus >being a police dept.special unit, funded by a yearly budget but at the mercy >of the county commissioners for that very funding? > >we would appreciate hearing from anyone who has been there. >thanks, >jon > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter Date: 10 Mar 2000 09:48:32 -0400 Chris Eyre wrote in message <8aap3l$k8g$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>... >>| >| Don't forget that the dB is a log. scale, and the numbers >| progress exponentially rather than arithmatically. Thus, an >| increase from 100 to 110 dB is not a ten percent increase, but >| (if memory serves) about a one hundred percent increase. >| > >Well, well... I never knew this. I believe every 3db is a doubling of sound/power etc............it is hard to wrap ones mind around this initially.............I don't know if sound is same as electronics/communications, but to get a 3db increase in a signal's strength in a radio receiver requires that the power of the transmitter be doubled ! David - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: horse hair sporan Date: 09 Mar 2000 01:26:34 GMT >does anybody know how to clean a horse hair sporan.Also does anybody have any >tricks to straighten it, mine tends to bend to one side. I shampooed mine, gently and gingerly. It's old, and lots of hair fell out, but it looks beautiful now. Somebody gave me a tip that if you keep the sporran in a plastic bag that the newspaper comes in, it keeps the hair from spreading out. They're right. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bdunsire@aol.comNOSPAM (Bob Dunsire) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter Date: 10 Mar 2000 18:07:04 GMT Greetings Chris, This is fun for me, but I fear my daughters might be a little tired of my sound meter games... (Oh no.. here he comes AGAIN) >> I would be very interested >in knowing what reading the chanter alone would have produced from the same >position as (a) and (b), ie. near the ear. And also what readings you would >have got from the bass drone by itself and the tenors by themselves >> So from last night - again G1 & G3 daughters (players I mean) - in a large room with a very high ceiling- I took readings - a) at their ear, b) 5 ft in front of the chanter: (I'm getting lazy here - so I hope you can figure out my 'shorthand') G3 - ear - all - 100dB - chanter only 100dB (duh) - 5ft - all 105 - ch - 105 (still duh) - drones - all 78 - drones- tenors only 76 G1 - ear -- 5ft in front - full pipes 100 -- 106 one tenor - 85 -- 80 two tenors 91 -- 83 all drones 91 -- 84 (I found that last one really interesting, and checked a number of times.. in that room, this was the result) Then, just to see, I took readings directly in front of the chanter 6 inches - 115dB 1 ft - 110 dB 2 ft. 108dB 3 ft. 106 dB Think about your pipe major / chanter tuner's ears.. youch.. Bob D. ------------- (having much fun with web pages, including: http://members.aol.com/bdunsire http://members.aol.com/bagpipeweb (Bagpipe Web Directory - 1000+ links) http://www.user.dccnet.com/bcpipers/index.htm (BC Pipers' Association)) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Marching.... Date: 10 Mar 2000 15:26:02 -0400 STEPHEN PANNONE wrote in message <8aavr2$2n3e$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>... > >Lets talk about Marching.... > >Just starting out with marching...Just a few easy questions > >Start on the ____________ foot >End on the _____________ foot > >What should I know for basic Pipe Major commands > >Just trying to get a head start...My teacher Just gave me an intro to >marching, and just want to get a little ahead of the game.... Start by pushing left foot forward on the MARCH command. First drum roll will cover the first LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT steps (and hand comes up on bag, on second left) Next RIGHT is the space between first and second drum roll.... Second drum roll covers next LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT..........( bring drones in) Next RIGHT.....get bag under your arm and your fingers on the chanter PROPERLY (you will initially think there is not enought time for this.....saying so will mark you as a real newbie so shut up and get on with it) Next LEFT.......cut chanter in on the "E".......... Pick the longest room in the house and grunt the drum rolls to yourself as you practice it (no pipes at first, but go thru the motions with your hands a few times, then........then add the pipes........and do it again a few times..............with practice it will seem so natural.......initially you will be "all hands, feet and arms".............. All commands will (should) be given as you are bringing down your left foot............. So the HALT will be called on the left..... (right after a precautionary/warning which gets you prepared).............After the call HALT, on the left, continue with a RIGHT step and a LEFT step, then the next RIGHT is the last step (half a step) and it brings your right foot up beside your left one (and you are halted)...........on the last LEFT step you will probably lean your torso back a wee bit, a shift of weight to compensate for the change in momentum that is about to happen............on the last RIGHT (half step) bring your knee up a bit higher than normal, until the upper half of your leg is horizontal, then bring foot straight down(not quite straight down but it feels like it) until heels are almost touching and feet are angled at about 45 degrees. The height you lift your right knee on the left step will vary from band to band, as will the height you raise your arms when marching. have fun............David - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve White" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter Date: 10 Mar 2000 22:04:41 -0000 That's my understanding too. I've asked the inhabitants of alt.sci.physics.acoustics for clarification ... they know their stuff there! Cheers, Steve White dnimmo wrote in message <8aaui512l2h@enews1.newsguy.com>... >I believe every 3db is a doubling of sound/power etc............it is hard >to wrap ones mind around this initially.............I don't know if sound is >same as electronics/communications, but to get a 3db increase in a >signal's strength in a radio receiver requires that the power of the >transmitter be doubled ! >David - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve White" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter Date: 10 Mar 2000 22:08:41 -0000 Bob Dunsire wrote in message <20000310130704.15518.00002633@ng-de1.aol.com>... >Then, just to see, I took readings directly in front of the chanter >6 inches - 115dB >1 ft - 110 dB >2 ft. 108dB >3 ft. 106 dB These changes shouldn't be that surprising. At close range you've got the inverse square law ..... ie. the power of the sound wave spreads out in all directions so the power falls off by a factor of 4 every time you double your distance from the source ...... 115dB to 110dB is, I believe, a fall off to 1/4. As soon as you are more than 1 foot away the reflections in the environment start to water it down. That's my best guess. Cheers, Steve White - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Steadiness and Reed Efficiency Date: 10 Mar 2000 22:50:53 GMT >One of the interesting, and depressing, aspects of achieving tone and >efficiency a majority of the time is the off-day when little seems to be >going right. Yesterday, the weather changed dramatically in Vermont, from >30s the day before to 60s, with humidity, the next day. Nice to be able to play outside, eh? >The result was >chaos, even >with the Wygents After 30 min. of attempting to blow >tone, I quit in disgust and decided to try again after Aw, balls. 60 degrees should be tolerably near normal indoor practice temp, so I'm surprised you had problems. Well, I take that back. With the changeable weather we've been having lately, some of my joints are loosening up and I need to beef them up with a little waxed hemp. In the last week or so I've added roughly a foot of hemp to each of my stock joints and some teflon on the tuning pins. >having experienced tone and efficiency, I don't >want to settle for anything less. I hear you. >The result, for now, >is feeling a bit in-the-middle, i.e. knowing too much to >go back to the old ways, and not knowing enough to handle extreme changes >in conditions, and to blow >tone, at least 90% of the time. It ain't easy. If piping was easy, we'd have to pay the drummers! Hang in there..... Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve White" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter Date: 10 Mar 2000 21:59:25 -0000 I'm not sure either but I thought 3 dB was a doubling in volume. I'll check. Cheers, Steve White matheson wrote in message ... >IIRC from my electronics basics, a 3dB shift is the threshold of audible >change, in other words you wouldn't notice a difference at any less than >3dB, so not so different in loudness; but because the scale is logarithmic a >10dB shift is a doubling of volume. > >Les > >Steve White wrote in message >news:8a9h3m$q9e$1@quince.news.easynet.net... >> Now I know I shouldn't but I still find this quite startling. There's a >3dB >> difference between beginner & G3 and between G3 and G1. That's a hell of a >> difference! Is it down to having the lung power to drive a good set of >> reeds? Excellent thread. >> Cheers, >> Steve White >> >> >> Bob Dunsire wrote in message >> <20000309130946.01953.00003137@ng-dc1.aol.com>... >> >Beginner (easy chanter reed) - big rooms - >> >from the front - 102dB >> >G3 (med / hard chanter) - big rooms (three) - >> >front - 105 to 106 dB >> >G1 - (med hard chanter) - big rooms - >> >front - 106-108 >> >> >> >> > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Discussion (warning: technical) Date: 10 Mar 2000 23:06:03 GMT >Yo, like Zu, T-shirt dude: >Watcha mean by "coat"---with wat dude? And, like, dude, wat's a "stove bolt"? Coat means coated with liquid rubber, the stuff that you can dip tool handles in to get a nice rubber grip. A stove bolt is a round-headed bolt or screw (the distinction is blurry) that has a whopping huge head with no groove in it. The head is bigger than the head of a round-headed bolt, which was my first choice. Check it out next time you're at the hardware store. >Also, how does the reduced air passageway from the bag to the reed >affect drone volume? Again, this isn't intuitive at all. I expected the sound to be muffled, but just the reverse is true. Slightly increased volume for much less air, and I found the quality/ timbre of the sound to be more "thick" or "dense". More ringing, more richness, more steadiness. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Discussion (warning: technical) Date: 10 Mar 2000 23:01:50 GMT >Here's another one to ponder. I cut the head off the Wygent tuning >screw and that lowered the pitch of the reed. Think that head does >something to the air flow? Absolutely. I did the same thing (actually, I changed the original screw for a headless set-screw). Didn't notice much of a difference. The screw was originally conceived as a mechanical device to artificially lengthen the drone reed. I think nobody ever considered the air flow over the screw. Mark Lee did when he came up with his pointy-headed Rockets. Mark Wygent presumably started to consider airflow when he designed his Dua-tones, except he went for a rounded head the same size as the original. The original heads seem to have been picked arbitrarily because they are the ONLY AVAILABLE nylon fastener in that size range. Believe me, I looked everywhere for alternatives. I'm not really thrilled to have the mass of stainless steel stove bolts and rubber clogging the end of my reeds, but the end justifies the means I think. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: wygent reeds Date: 10 Mar 2000 23:08:26 GMT >This is pretty common with Wygents. One thing that I did (and I >think there might be something similar to it in the >instructions) is took a little peice of hemp and tied tight >around the bridle. This prevents the drone from dramatically >changing pitch and it also gets rid of the double-tone. After >playing them for a while, they will get broken in and you won't >need the hemp. It isn't permanent, it is just to break in the >reeds without having to hear the double-tone. Or you can change the bridle for something tighter (clear plastic tubing, or a series of 3 o-rings) and practically eliminate the breakin period altogether. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Marching.... Date: 10 Mar 2000 23:15:18 GMT >Start on the ____________ foot Left >End on the _____________ foot > Right, unless you're playing tunes in 3/4 or 9/8 time. >What should I know for basic Pipe Major commands "By the right, quick march" is what is usually used to get you started, and you generally stop playing at a predetermined point (end of a set, etc). Marching takes some getting used to. The problem is, that at your level of development, you can't play the tunes anywhere near fast enough to march to comfortably. I'm teaching a student to march about now, and I wound up playing a tune and marching to it, and he first started tapping his foot, then following along behind me. That's probably the best way, but I'm teaching him solo competition-style marching, not street marching. Street marching is much easier. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) T-shirt slogan contest Date: 10 Mar 2000 23:19:55 GMT >On one, show a pipe chanter, with only two fingers on it (the middle >finger of each hand) All other fingers bent, so as to give the bird. >The caption is "Watch my fingers". That means artwork, which drives the price up. I have to pass on that suggestion ; ) >The other one has two sides. The back says: Mean things my Pipe Major >Says: Now that has possibilities! I'm up for a contest. But I need to sell at least 2 dozen shirts to justify ordering 4 dozen and thereby getting the good price. Suggestions? The floor is open. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: T-shirts Date: 10 Mar 2000 23:21:13 GMT >How about "bagpiip" in a red circle with a line drawn through it? I'd even >send Dave a pic of my face, and you could use that instead of the words >"bagpiip". I think the considerable demand for such a shirt would justify the added expense of artwork! ; ) Dave - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Ramsden \(MacLẹid\)" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: tune search: A Soldier's Song Date: 10 Mar 2000 16:34:51 -0800 "Thunder1z" wrote in message news:20000309223324.02480.00001253@ng-ca1.aol.com... > I'm seeking A Soldier's Song, preferably as a GIF, but shall gladly accept any > form that someone would kindly supply. Many thanks for assistance. I am as well.....I'd appreciate any help! -- ---------------------- Goraidh "Jeff" MacLeod Ramsden, FSA (Scot.) Pacific Region Vice President Clan MacLeod Society USA, Inc. Śol Thorcuil - "I Birn Quhil I Se" http://www.macleodpacific.org - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music Date: 10 Mar 2000 19:52:30 -0500 Hi... In my opinion. a different way of saying what you are getting at... when the notes are long versus short within any specific beat... it's a matter of ratios... the difference in holding the long versus the short note...that distinguishes a 6/8 from a 2/4. For example, I've seen two settings for "Oh, Gin I Were a Baron's Heir".. 2/4 and 6/8... ( I read, BTW, that the composer was a Brit who wanted to compose a tune in the Scottish style... and that the 2/4 version is what resulted). If I had to perform them so that an audience would hear the difference... the ratios in 2/4 would be more exaggerated than the mathematical 3 to 1 called for... more like 4 or 5 to one.... long versus short notes...in most typical 2/4 competition style marches. In the 6/8... the ratio's would be more towards the 2 to 1 ratio called for by the printed music... It would sound more swinging....swing of the kilt style.. This I'm sure is what Mr. Campbell was alluding to when he was referring to the different performances he heard on his CD's. Cheers.. Use things & love people not the other way around…Diana Leising Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( PekingPiper@mao.org ) Lloyd Bogart wrote: > > > I've tried desperately to keep out of this discussion ;-) but I have > to say, again, that it's an *unusua* 2/4 that cannot be better *written* > as a 6/8 or even a 12/8. And in *other* forms of Scottish and Irish > music I don't see the preponderance of 2/4 and 4/4 tunes that have > come to us from the military piping tradition. > > Regards > > Lloyd > ***** - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Wood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter Date: 11 Mar 2000 01:09:59 GMT 10 dB is a double. Not 3 dB. Matt Steve White wrote in article <8abt2s$2nfd$1@quince.news.easynet.net>... > I'm not sure either but I thought 3 dB was a doubling in volume. I'll check. > Cheers, > Steve White > > > matheson wrote in message ... > >IIRC from my electronics basics, a 3dB shift is the threshold of audible > >change, in other words you wouldn't notice a difference at any less than > >3dB, so not so different in loudness; but because the scale is logarithmic > a > >10dB shift is a doubling of volume. > > > >Les > > > >Steve White wrote in message > >news:8a9h3m$q9e$1@quince.news.easynet.net... > >> Now I know I shouldn't but I still find this quite startling. There's a > >3dB > >> difference between beginner & G3 and between G3 and G1. That's a hell of > a > >> difference! Is it down to having the lung power to drive a good set of > >> reeds? Excellent thread. > >> Cheers, > >> Steve White > >> > >> > >> Bob Dunsire wrote in message > >> <20000309130946.01953.00003137@ng-dc1.aol.com>... > >> >Beginner (easy chanter reed) - big rooms - > >> >from the front - 102dB > >> >G3 (med / hard chanter) - big rooms (three) - > >> >front - 105 to 106 dB > >> >G1 - (med hard chanter) - big rooms - > >> >front - 106-108 > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve's boy piper" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Quick fix for the Mark III Date: 10 Mar 2000 21:00:49 -0500 > >You'll still have to cut into the bulb a bit, to compensate for the now > >shortened hemp-tenon,so you get the same length of tenon in the stock. > >This works phenomenally well on the Mark III...just use the above > >mentioned tools. Well the best fix for those mark III's is too put tape over all the holes except for the high-A, then you can use it as a bass drone. LOL - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve's boy piper" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Loosing Air!! Date: 10 Mar 2000 21:06:20 -0500 Zudupiper wrote in message > >If I buy a Ross, will I go from gradeV to gradeI just by buying a > >Ross? > Maeve already has her Ross bag on order. With the amount of playing she does, her reeds were not lasting very long with a hide bag. This should solve it, but the way her pipes are sounding now, she'll be entering gr1 in no time. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve's boy piper" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Loosing Air!! Date: 10 Mar 2000 21:09:38 -0500 Beginnertunes wrote in message > Hey John! If I buy a Ross, will I go from gradeV to gradeI just by buying a > Ross? "I'm ordering it up right now Wallie." "Really Beave?" Well geeze Billy, first you have to pass GR1, before you get your crayons for the second grade. ;-) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve's boy piper" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: John Mitchell is being held hostage!!!! Date: 10 Mar 2000 21:21:43 -0500 Maeve wrote in . > . . I think I can safely speak for John!!!! Yea, how can I type with these cuffs on! LOL - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter Date: 11 Mar 2000 02:33:06 GMT On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:08:41 -0000, "Steve White" wrote: >Bob Dunsire wrote in message ><20000310130704.15518.00002633@ng-de1.aol.com>... >>Then, just to see, I took readings directly in front of the chanter >>6 inches - 115dB >>1 ft - 110 dB >>2 ft. 108dB >>3 ft. 106 dB > >These changes shouldn't be that surprising. At close range you've got the >inverse square law ..... ie. the power of the sound wave spreads out in all >directions so the power falls off by a factor of 4 every time you double >your distance from the source ...... 115dB to 110dB is, I believe, a fall >off to 1/4. As soon as you are more than 1 foot away the reflections in the >environment start to water it down. That's my best guess. That, and the chanter is in fact somewhat directional, and tends to project toward the front more than back and sides. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter Date: 11 Mar 2000 02:30:26 GMT On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:04:41 -0000, "Steve White" wrote: >That's my understanding too. I've asked the inhabitants of >alt.sci.physics.acoustics for clarification ... they know their stuff there! > >Cheers, >Steve White > >dnimmo wrote in message <8aaui512l2h@enews1.newsguy.com>... >>I believe every 3db is a doubling of sound/power etc............it is >hard >>to wrap ones mind around this initially.............I don't know if sound >is >>same as electronics/communications, but to get a 3db increase in a >>signal's strength in a radio receiver requires that the power of the >>transmitter be doubled ! >>David The other factor is the way the human hear/brain interpret the frequency spectrum. The amount of "sound power" delivered to the ear is called "sound pressure level" but on the one hand, it takes less energy to deliver 100db of spl at 10,000 HZ than it does to boost a 30HZ tone to the same spl. I'm not sure what the exact ratio on that is, but it's fairly significant. Likewise, the human ear percieves bass on a different curve than treble. So at 30db, you'd hear a mix heavy on the treble end, and the bass would be light. Turn the same mix up to 100db and the bass would be thumping your chest, and the treble would have dampened off at a certain perceptual point beyond whch it does not seem much louder than before. That's the "Fletcher-Munsen curve." From say 100db to 110db, another effect takes place, which actually figures in all along the increase, and that I don't know the name for, but at some point the ear begins to dampen the whole signal and it does that first along the treble end I think, so even though you double the spl, you won't hear it twice as loud in many cases, because, particularly toward the threshold of pain, which I think is 120db, a number of physiological and psychological effects try to protect the ear, which is why after a long suicide-death-metal concert you can't hear for shite for hours or your ears may be ringing. As far as ear/mic placement goes for these sorts of measurements, I think spl decreases by the square of the distance. So, you measure a foot away from a chanter, you may get 110db, another foot a way it would be 100 db and so forth. In short, it drops off in a hurry, and sticking your ear right next to a chanter can in fact reach and surpass the threshhold of pain and do rapid damage. Percussion is even worse, and the real danger to the ear in practice is the snare drums, not the pipes. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sdon Subject: (bagpipe) Re: horse hair sporan Date: 10 Mar 2000 19:53:52 -0700 Carefully shampoo it in the shower and blow dry it, and it will look like new. Comb it out carefully as you blow dry it. I have saved many an old and haggered sporran this way. Sounds wild, but it works. Don LFpiper wrote: > does anybody know how to clean a horse hair sporan.Also does anybody have any > tricks to straighten it, mine tends to bend to one side. > lee -- PIPER AT LARGE (sdon@utah.uswest.net) White Peaks Pipe Band http://www.angelfire.com/ut/sdon/index.html - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leslie Thomson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Piper needed Date: 11 Mar 2000 03:51:44 +0100 I make the same offer but from Spain (it's cheaper and nearer). ach! all this filthy money grubbing capitalistic system "Hugh Armstrong" escribió en el mensaje news:Iuhy4.15495$a27.252437@news1.rdc1.mb.home.com... > OR you could fly me in from canada, put me up in a hotel, does not have to > be too fancy, and a couple of francs for spending money, and i wont even > charge you for actually playing at the weding!!! thats on the house!! > > TomandSuny wrote in message > news:20000310201339.02586.00001199@ng-fp1.aol.com... > > >I'm still looking for a piper in Paris, France or nearby. My son is > > >getting married May 13 in Paris and they want a piper to play at their > > >wedding. Anyone with any information on someone in the area please let > > >me know. > > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > > > A couple of potential leads for you: > > > > Peter Hewlett > > 14, rue Vicq-d'Azir > > 75010 Paris > > (last address I had) > > > > also try this bagpipe outfitter-- > > > > Librarie Breizh > > 10 Rue du Maine > > 75014 Paris > > tel: 43.20.84.60 > > > > Good luck! > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leslie Thomson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Website for bagpipe supplies Date: 11 Mar 2000 03:59:11 +0100 Yeah, wow, I'm still recovering, my mind feel sucked by a black hole "Mike Le Boeuf" escribió en el mensaje news:38C7422D.4ABB@worldnet.att.net... > http://www.houseofbagpipes.com > > Be carefull not to get lost, its a huge site. Lots to see. > Mike - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Discussion (warning: technical) Date: 11 Mar 2000 03:09:12 GMT In article <38C9AC8A.7FD2@hotmail.com>, athertondave@hotmail.com wrote: > What you're doing is actually limiting airflow. > > The exact same effect can be achieved if a set of stocks were made that > looked like inverted practice chanter tops(sort-of). Could you crudely achieve the same affect by superglueing a flat washer onto the bag-end of the drone stock? A washer that has a hole of the desired diameter? Or, does there need to be a smoother transistion from the small hole to the wider opening? Some drone stocks are made with a slight flare at the bag-end. What affect does this have in relation to the topic at hand? Is flaring done primarily for another reason? Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve's boy piper" Subject: (bagpipe) For Gods sake, someone please "help" me! Date: 10 Mar 2000 22:34:13 -0500 Johnny Mitchell here! Well here I am in the deep deep South, trapped in a secluded log cabin with a Mad woman that just luvz the pipes, and no hope for escape. It's John Fix this, John tune this for me, John play another tune, why are you stopping! You can just Imagine, Maeve knitting away in her rocking chair, and me tethered to the front porch and she gives the leash a tug when ever she wants to here a tune on the pipes. And believe me, she likes to hear the pipes a little "too" much. This is what first aroused my suspicions about her sanity. No on second thought, it was inviting me over that I first questioned her sanity, but now I know she is in need of some serious help. Lindsay, what was that doctors name that helped you? BTW, Angus is a real set of bagpipes. Their a wonderful old set of Hendersons with wonderful tone. I just added a cane bass reed to balance the rich tone of this old pipe. All kidding aside, it has been a wonderful experience here. It's the typical friendly pipeband hospitality where ever you go. Pipe bands are great, where else can you meet so many delightful lunatics. Why is it that when ever I get drinking with a pipe band, I always end up joining them. We had a load of laughs down at the local bandhall, but some how I ended up volunteering for a hot sweaty parade on Saturday. I think the words had barely passed my lips and I was handed a uniform. It was a little suspicious that everything was made to fit, like it was planned or something. Mauve, long have you been scheming this? What a great place this is, I can still smell the aroma of home made bread and the sound of a hammer dulcimer playing gently in the background. Mauve is quite a unique character too, she has many talents and she even cooks, sews and irons band shirts! ;-) Right now I'm asking myself, "just why am I returning to Canada again?" - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ewan A. Macpherson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter Date: 10 Mar 2000 22:44:02 -0500 Matthew Wood wrote: > > 10 dB is a double. Not 3 dB. 3 dB doubles the signal energy. 10 dB approximately doubles the subjective loudness. -- Ewan Macpherson Central Systems Laboratory Kresge Hearing Research Institute http://www-personal.umich.edu/~emacpher - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve's boy piper" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: John Mitchell is being held hostage!!!! Date: 10 Mar 2000 23:02:26 -0500 Lindsay Kirkwood wrote > Are you letting him use your loo??BOL Hahaa > Any oars around? I forgot to mention Lindsay, the loo flushes quite nicely down here. They bought the power flush option ;-) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Steadiness and Reed Efficiency Date: 11 Mar 2000 04:46:37 GMT >Nice to be able to play outside, eh? Not to my poor ears. Playing and tuning inside ( in a room with good acoustics (sp) seems to be much more rewarding than the same outside. The good stuff seems to float away. outside. Inside it comes back to you and you can personaly enjoy it. Outside the folks in earshot enjoy it more. I play outside 80% of the time here in N. FL USA. I always look forward to playing inside so I can hear the full range of tone. Cheers, Jim. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz Subject: (bagpipe) Re: For Gods sake, someone please "help" me! Date: 11 Mar 2000 05:38:22 GMT Maeve's boy piper wrote: > Johnny Mitchell here! > > BTW, Angus is a real set of bagpipes. Their a wonderful old set of [-snip-] > All kidding aside, it has been a wonderful experience here. It's the All kidding aside? Does this mean that Angus is not really a set of bagpipes?? > Mauve, long have you been scheming this? So she's a color now too? Andrew p.s. Teach Maeve your wonderful use of paragraph spacing . . . ;-) -- Andrew & Kristen Lenz alenz@alumni.cse.ucsc.edu Santa Cruz, California U.S.A. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve's boy piper" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: For Gods sake, someone please "help" me! Date: 11 Mar 2000 01:06:36 -0500 Maeve's boy piper wrote in message news:38c9c0cb_2@news3.paonline.com... > Johnny Mitchell here! No, now it's MAEVE here! I think this computer has developed multiple personalities over the last few days :) :) :) > It's John Fix this, John tune this for me, John play another tune, why are > you stopping! Uhmmmm . .. . let's see if I have got this right. .. when *I* said, "John, would you like to go to the beach today?" . . . I seem to remember someone saying "I really need to get some practice in for this competition that I have coming up. Can we go home so I can practice?" Hmmmm . .. . . > BTW, Angus is a real set of bagpipes. Their a wonderful old set of > Hendersons with wonderful tone. I just added a cane bass reed to > balance the rich tone of this old pipe. Silly YOU!!!! Angus is a Sinclair!! And having to pry him from your hands, I would have thought you would have remembered that! > All kidding aside, it has been a wonderful experience here. It's the > typical friendly pipeband hospitality where ever you go. > Pipe bands are great, where else can you meet so many delightful lunatics. How sweet of you to say these things! You have been a real joy to have around the house! I might just have to tear up that ticket of yours! I'm getting rather used to this "three husbands syndrome"!!! > Why is it that when ever I get drinking with a pipe band, I always end up > joining them. We had a load of laughs down at the local bandhall, but > some how I ended up volunteering for a hot sweaty parade on Saturday. No ... it seems to me that you volunteered so that you could to the Silicone Valley gig (a.k.a. Hooters!). The band was smart enough to say that one could not be done without the other! Wonder how they knew what button to push ;) :) :) :) > What a great place this is, I can still smell the aroma of home made bread > and the sound of a hammer dulcimer playing gently in the background. > Mauve is quite a unique character too, she has many talents and she even > cooks, sews and irons band shirts! ;-) Don't push it, John!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just remember . .. the plane ticket was purchased with a return for a reason!!!!!!! > Right now I'm asking myself, "just why am I returning to Canada again?" Let me remind you . . . "John!! Why did you quit playing!!!! Never mind the heat stroke! Shut the **** up and PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROTFLOL!!!!!!! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida! http://people.delphi.com/terralyn authoring sandykeith.com "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all." Oscar Wilde - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Judging Certification Exams Date: 08 Mar 2000 13:38:05 -0400 John and/or Lori Gaudet wrote in message <7bvx4.2720$oQ4.68175@sodalite.nbnet.nb.ca>... >Hi all, >This is a question for any and all persons on this list who has written the >judging exams for their associations. >My assoc, is as most, desperate for judges. They are asking me to the sit >the exam. One part theory, one part aural. My question to the group is >this..how did you prepare for the exam? ....they haven't even >told me when the actual exam will be, so I don't even know "how long" I have >to prepare........... >Any and all help is greatly appreciated! >I really had no thoughts of judging just yet, I'm still competing myself and >have two bands to run at competitions, but I feel somewhat compelled to help >where I can so I know I am not contributing to the problem but helping >eleviate it. Hmm..................You are being asked to sit an exam for which you don't appear to have any motivation or direction on content and format..............to do a job that you won't have any time to take on as you are already over-committed for that time frame................... Do you really want an answer ? David - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Discussion (warning: technical) Date: 11 Mar 2000 14:59:02 GMT In article <20000311090536.02109.00000636@ng-fd1.aol.com>, outlawpipe@aol.com (Rodger A. Cotton) wrote: > I think the crude effect would work better with a rubber cork that has a hole > in it. (such as those found at Homebrew / winemaker shops) I dont think the > super glue would hold a bond very well in a wet environment. I have always > wondered about this, but never retied my L&M in just so I could try it. > > Rodger Marine caulk might work, too. I was just trying to give Dave a simple example, so he doesn't whip those formulaes on me again. A cork, eh. Wouldn't the size of the hole in the cork be constricted as it is forced into the end of the stock? Or, isn't the exact size of that opening real critical? I can get corks down my blowpipe stock without taking the bag off, too. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fernetta Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Provo SFU Spectacular Date: 11 Mar 2000 17:21:19 GMT In article <20000309001028.02151.00000166@ng-fb1.aol.com>, beginnertunes@aol.com (Beginnertunes) wrote: > Look for the trailer with a sign that says "iffin the trailers a rockin, don't > come knockin..." Just avoid the area, and ignore the Tarzan yells, and > especially ignore the CHEETAH monkee noises. Forget Tarzan,it'll be SFU making the windows rattle. 20 years and and 6 kids later I still rock to bagpipe music. > Look for the drag marks of "his and her walkers" and you'll know you >found them. (20 years????? Someone shoot me...) > Scotia Aye! > Bill ROCK ON!!! -- Fernetta ~~~You know you're a piper's wife if: He spends more time on RMMB than you do.~~~ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Steadiness and Reed Efficiency Date: 11 Mar 2000 18:53:08 GMT >Ideally, you should have drone reeds that allow the drones to be tuned well >high on the hemp. This will usually require that the reed is tuned high on >the >tongue, causing the tongue to resonate in a steady state much quicker than if >the bridle is kept low down And takes less air to boot. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Discussion (warning: technical) Date: 11 Mar 2000 18:25:07 GMT >A stove bolt is a bolt with a square projection between the end >of the threaded rod and the head of the bolt. The head of the >bolt has no groove for a screw driver nor flat sides to be >turned with a wrench. The bolt is diesgned to fit into a square >hole (on a cast iron stove), and the nut is put on the threads >from the other side. > >I don't know what Zu is calling a "stove bolt" but he's right >about it being larger than usual. Excellent description! That's exactly what I meant. And according to my Machinery's Handbook, stove bolts have the biggest heads obtainable. But they don't come in metric sizes, which is a pain in the butt. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: A SCOTTISH SNAP - WHAT IS IT?? Date: 11 Mar 2000 19:00:37 GMT >Has anyone out there heard of the term Scottish Snap? If so, what is >it? Never in conversation, but in a couple of piping books I have. It's a fiddle term and it refers to, I think, a pair of notes in a strathspey played cut-dot (instead of the more usual dot-cut). The fiddle has the ability to play the "cut" note louder than the "dotted" one, and that's the effect of the "Scottish Snap". But maybe it refers to the cut-dot rhythm. I think. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve's boy piper" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: John Mitchell is being held hostage!!!! Date: 10 Mar 2000 21:50:04 -0500 Lindsay Kirkwood wrote > Nurse Dee Ratchet from the sanitarium will pick him up Thanks Lindz for sorting that out, but I might not need to get picked up! You're probably going to have to make that call to Atlas Steel for me. Just tell them that I passed away, but I'll be in as soon as I get better! BTW! The store called and said that your order was in for the rubber underwear. They just wanted know if you wanted your usual one's. You know, the one's with the flap in the back! LOL - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Notes from Pipey's Corner: Cuillinn Craft Date: 11 Mar 2000 20:59:28 GMT In article <20000311092010.02109.00000638@ng-fd1.aol.com>, outlawpipe@aol.com (Rodger A. Cotton) wrote: > Yes, I do believe it is Himself Iaian Sherwood who writes Pipeys Corner. Quite > an unusual way for a shopkeeper to Drum Up business... It must be working for > him. In Iain's case I think it works more like a baby throwing a temper tantrum. They get alot of attention, too. Sometimes they even getted spanked. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Equipment vs ability (was Reeds) Date: 11 Mar 2000 21:17:14 GMT In article <20000311134643.02128.00001561@ng-fz1.aol.com>, zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: > So back to my original point (or one of them). If EVERYBODY had stocks like > yours (or reeds like mine), damn near EVERYBODY would be able to blow steady > with little effort. Aren't drone reeds only part of the equation here? We haven't talked about one variable. The chanter reed. This "air limiting" in the drone stocks doesn't carry over to the chanter reed and the varied pressures it can be subjected to. Don't you still have to have good breath control in order to blow tone? Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bad Service! Date: 11 Mar 2000 22:08:11 GMT On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:51:48 -0800, piperdoon wrote: >Our band ordered a bass drum from a well known Ontario drum >shop almost 2 years ago! If weren't so Canadian we'd tell >them to stick up their #$#! Whatever happened to good >quality customer service? Must have been a Premier. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: A SCOTTISH SNAP - WHAT IS IT?? Date: 11 Mar 2000 22:12:02 GMT On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:48:27 -0800, ccc31807 wrote: >In article <38CA80EA.B8B67B79@home.com>, Chris Armstrong > wrote: >>My piping teacher has asked me to ask the NG for assistance in >defining >>the term "Scottish Snap." Apperantly is has something to do >with a >>musical technique in straspeys. >> >>Has anyone out there heard of the term Scottish Snap? If so, >what is >>it? > >I don't believe this. A Scottish snap is the ONLY piping >movement that has entered into general musical culture. It has >been used extensively, such as in Mendelssohn's Scottish >Symphony. "Real" musician know it. Why not pipers, or pipe >teachers? We play it every day, many times a day. > >A Scottish snap is a very short note on the beat followed by a >longer note off the beat, as in a tachum. In extreme cases, it >can take the form of a very open doubling, birl, slur, and other >like embellishments. In piobaireachd, whole variations consist >of nothing but Scottish snaps, such as the thumb and siubhal >variations in "The Desperate Battle." All of the latter of which of course, can be mastered in a few months, inasmuch as the pipes are one of the simplest instruments to learn. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: A SCOTTISH SNAP - WHAT IS IT?? Date: 11 Mar 2000 22:10:03 GMT On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:25:30 GMT, Chris Armstrong wrote: >My piping teacher has asked me to ask the NG for assistance in defining >the term "Scottish Snap." It's the ancient device used to hold the kilt in place. Royce (Don't worry about it, it's obsolete now.) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Equipment vs ability (was Reeds) Date: 11 Mar 2000 22:14:54 GMT On 11 Mar 2000 18:46:43 GMT, zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: >Do me a favor, though. Don't start mass-marketing those special stocks until >after I move up to grade 2. I need all the help I can get ; ) Or until you test them for chanter intonation, and strike-in ability with the drones. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Tune search Date: 11 Mar 2000 18:22:56 -0400 Don: Call 1-800-565-000........NS Tourism and ask them to get it for you... David D Robinson wrote in message ... >I am looking for the pipe setting for "Nova Scotia Nature's Music Nature's >Song" as played in the tourism commercial. >Beautiful tune. > >Thanks >Don > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Road North - Music Date: 12 Mar 2000 00:08:12 GMT Hi Madge, I just learned it from the CD myself...I could however write it out for you I'm not sure of the copy right stuff though If I were you, I would just figure it out by ear...it's pretty simple! Cheers, Lori Madge Taylor wrote in message <38CAD746.973EE932@bar.imag.net>... >Help!! >I am looking for the sheet music for the tune, "The Road North", a slow >air, by A. Fraser. Can anyone out there help me? > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Sharp Sharp Sharp, Partanen III, tying up a man with a very big and very loose end Date: 12 Mar 2000 00:37:51 GMT Hey, it's my birthday and I can do anything the hell I want. So I thought I'd tie up some odds and ends left floating from recent posts. Oh, you may well wonder how these are connected, but they're linked in a unusually consistent sort of way so they tend to fall into the category of the "stock" detractors or detraction techniques of the Lerwick NG dynasty: 1--Forgot to note on Mitchell's last attempt that he's yet to name his anonymous personal friend and informer, to whom he apparently keeps referring so erroneously for his "inside" Lerwick info, as it was predicted he would do. Likewise, forgot to note that I didn't buy Gibsons not because I "wasn't an authorized dealer," but I'm not a dealer at all, I'm a member of a new band that was looking for chanters and Jerry decided to give me the indirect route as already noted, which is an unsuitable way to buy "matched" chanters. Also, my recent praise of the new Kron woodie, isn't coming from "yet another vendor" claiming it to be better than Sinclair, or the phenolic better than God's Sinclair, but a guy with an ear and no personal interest in selling them. However--historical note: Anyone who wants to buy any Kron products, particularly chanters or pipes, drop me a line, I'll set up the relationship, and I will give you a good price on them and you will *make* me a dealer. I'd be happy to be Kron dealer. I'll jump right onto the group and let you all know I've made my first sale and then John can call me a "dealer" all he wants with accuracy. I'll be the midwestern Kron bargain distributor of all time if he wants. I'll shut up about other dealers and be a nice boy in the NG, but till then... 2--John Partanen challenged me in personal email, and maybe is spreading the BS (from what I've heard) that I couldn't have possibly heard a "Sharp 2000" or words to that effect, so I have no business criticizing it. As I told him personally, I've tooted every Sharp horn for the last 5 years including that one. In fact, I've got a box of half a dozen versions hot off the lathe right now that have been banging around the house for weeks. This includes the "2000" model in wood and plastic, as well as a custom made down-pitched version sent out for the new band I'm in to test. Unfortunately, Sharp refused to send a down-pitched version or even try to make one when we inquired, but then one showed up a week too late for us to try out because we'd already bought. The Sharp product was rejected for the same two primary reasons I've criticized it all along: too Sharp, and the wood model is paper thin and positively fragile. The tone is very good but you have to bring your own can of spray repellant to keep the neighborhood dogs from pestering you to death with their howling along beside you. The downpitched version did not "sing" in the upperhand as well by the way, so a lower-pitched version would require more tweaks than just moving the holes down. I actually prefer the high pitched version in comparison. 3--Sherwood's web site continues to flabbergast me. Here's a little gem from last year, when he was still pretty entertaining and mostly harmless: "I agree with Lerwick's assertion in his Pipe Major's Handbook that tuning is critical to band performance. I disagree with his methods, however, because he's too 'result-oriented' without really getting to the bottom of the matter, the balance between pipes and drums." Right. I think what we need are more technical or maintenance manuals that are totally unrelated to producing results. I can think of one like that if you need a reference Iain, but I see you already sell that one too. The left turn off to tuning drums and pipes is just bad writing I suppose, but the funny part follows: "As the pipe band snare developed, first with the metal-shell drum of the sixties, to the carbon-fibre drums played today, the pitch of the drum got higher and the tone thinner. Compare the size of drum sections today to bands from thirty years ago and you'll see they've almost doubled." He forgets to mention that higher pitched chanters with bigger reeds make more noise so the ratio likewise increased. But here's the chuckle: "Tuning a band includes tuning the drums to the pipes- bass to bass drone, tenor to tenor drones, and snares to chanter. As the snares got sharper and sharper, the chanter had to be pitched up to match; otherwise a band isn't really in tune. Snares are tuned to the high A of the chanter; perhaps it would be better if they were tuned to the E; since I'm not a drummer, I can't really answer that one." Or you could talk to a drummer before you write this nonsense. Pipe and drum pitch have evolved and floated entirely independently. Chanters are not tuned to snares, nor can they be, since the snare drum is a white-noise generatior and doesn't have an exact pitch. Chanter pitch in fact made several leaps long before kevlar heads and massive-lugs and rims shot drum pitch up, and indeed hasn't risen for about 10 years in spite of increasing drum technology that has even take corps-style American field drums into the stratosphere. Furthermore, the "pitch" of the GHB band drum has risen probably an octave in the last 30 years. Has the chanter? Uh, no, the chanter has risen about a half a semitone to a semitone. But there's more Sherwood to be had: "As to Delrin or Ebony pipes, the tonal difference is considerable, as are the prices. Ebony 'student sets' have delrin stocks, blowpipe, and chanter, and the drones have a very strong tendancy to check. If someone tells you about the 'superiority of ebony drones' they're blowing smoke through your chanter. Blackwood has long (and I mean over 200 years) been the standard of quality for Bagpipes, Oboes, English Horns, Clarinets,..." Alright, so he's obviously talking about cheap Pakistani "student" pipes in which case he's talking about "striped ebony," which is ebony alright, but it's about half the quality of "gaboon" ebony, or in short second-rate ebony. Good ebony however is another matter so its all a question of knowing wood, which Sherwood and many of his manufacturing cohorts and advisors don't apparently. (Which brings to mind the ironically appropriate rumor that a certain Eastern NA dealer was recently wondering about the much lighter shipping weights in Sharp products over another manufacturer, and sent some Sharp wood out for analysis, and it turned out to be striped ebony, and thus closed out his relationship with said maker. So far, only a rumor.) Blackwood has really only been "standard" in the last hundred years, or closer to 60 years in terms of being the "normal" wood for pipes. All the classic sets are ebony, or cocus, not "blackwood." "...So discount anyone who claims that ebony is better. Besides, it checks. Badly. For those who don't know what that means, it splits along the grain due to atmospheric changes, particularly major temperature/humidity fluctuations. I wouldn't own a set of ebony pipes because there's too much chance of damage." Here's a quote from "World of Woods in Color": 'Durability,-Ebony is extremely durable. The billets dry fairly rapidly and well with little degrade and with small movement in service. Excellent steam bending properties,very high crushing strength,with high stiffness and resistance to shock loads. 63-64 lb./per cubic foot ,Specific Gravity,1.03' Sherwood again: "Ebony is denser and therefore heavier than blackwood, and I fail to see any advantage of a material that has a built-in morbidity factor." Morbidity? Whazzetalkin'bout'? There are pipes hundreds of years old, dozens, scores, hundreds, classic ebony pipes out there having been continuously played all over the planet. Ebony denser than blackwood? Blackwood is the second most dense wood in the known universe. Specific gravity of 1.1-1.3, compared to ebony at 1.03. That's a no-brainer. Sherwood continues: "So you're going to spend over a thousand bucks for little Edgar to frighten the locals. Get over it. If he (or she) is any good, your neighbourhood piping instructor will tell you if he's ready for a set of pipes and make a recommendation (Kintails or Glens from me, of course!). If he's not ready, then flog him with his practice chanter..." Don't spend over a thousand bucks on Glen (repros) or Kintails from Sherwood or anyone else. That's high for even Sharp dealers. Sharp has been at least until now, the maker of inexpensive, mass-produced pipes that retail out around 800 bucks with a bag and all the bells and whistles and that's not bad for the beginner market. "As far as makers go, there are really only three or four really top-quality makers in the business today." And Sharp certainly isn't among them. The Glen line sounds great and is a very very good sounding set of drones for the money. Even a bargain. But don't confuse these qualities with "top quality" in workmaship or materials. They look good and play well and don't cost much and that's fine for that market. But don't go getting all grandiose about it. More Sherwood: "The rest are only one or two-man operations that don't really do any volume. If you buy from one of these makers, you'll (1) wait up to a year to get your pipes and..." If that happens to be Sinclair go ahead and wait. Until recently I'd say the same for Naill's drones. But of course Sinclair is probably the only maker you have to wait on, oh yeah, and Gibson, but that's for other reasons. In any case, how can mass-production improve quality? Listen to the argument: Iain Sherwood is claiming big-shop, mass-production insures high-quality. The entire history of modern manufacture suggests otherwise. "(2) if you have any problem with them, you'll never get any service for repairs or replacement parts, or you'll wait a year to get them." I know this isn't true of at least one "small shop" maker, but I haven't seen any indication from personal experience that Sharp or anyone else out there actually improves service on special orders or small-part replacement, when they get hugely automated and start just cranking them out and shoving them out the door. "The old days of Ye Olde Baggpipe Shoppe are long gone. The worldwide interest in piping has done away with many of the oldtime single-man makers, because they couldn't do the overseas trade." Granted, this is the Sharp & Co. mission statement for the year 2000, in which they have pledged to produce over 1000 sets. But Henry ford made a rugged, serviceable automobile on the first assembly line for similar reasons, and everyone bought one because they could afford it, and the world became drivers almost overnight. That didn't put everyone else out of business. That didn't make the Ford better than a Mercedes or Packard or Rolls. Buy a model T if that's what fits your budget by all means, but don't pretend it's a Bentley. "The large makers process orders from all over the world. Some are of higher quality than others. Some have real ego problems. Especially English bagpipe makers who shall remain nameless. I sell pipes made by Sharp & Co. because I believe them to be the best buy, the best quality, and with the best service of any maker in business today." Believe it all you want. The Glen line is a good buy of reasonable quality. Service seems pretty typical and dependent on your distributor's whininess. But don't go claiming "best quality" unless you qualify that with "for the price." "Our new pipe chanters are winning solo and band competitions consistently." I don't know where. In Scotland of course, they'll play lower in pitch than here, which still makes them brighter over there but not as dogwhistly, so maybe it's in the Scottish grades below 1. At least Jeryy Gibson has a history of wins and a load of big bands who've played his chanters. "Our drones have received rave reviews by everyone who plays them." Of the Glen line this may be true. Of the Drumran line, no, they've been good, but not "rave" drones. Of the Kintail, these over the many many years they have been in and out of production, have ranged from good, to very good, to constipated and uncooperative, hard-to-reed, and unstable. "I stand behind the product." And use it as a shield to fend off rotting tomatoes? I don't really mean that of course, but in light of all the above gibberish, is this the guy you all would really trust to rate *me* or for that matter CE Kron or my opinion of that or any other maker? I mean, if Sherwood and Partanen want to promote the Sharp 2000 in North America as the greatest chanter for the band market that ever hit, you have to ask yourself seriously on what they base this assertion, since Sherwood for one obviously knows bugger-all about bands or the instrument, and he seems to base his credibility on Partanen as his instructor, so what does that imply? As for me, show me a band that bought them here and plays them in grade 3 or 2, and let me talk to the PM. I mean, I've seen and heard the comments of such PM who didn't buy. I'm not guessing. Royce And now, as usual, too lazy to proofread, I'm off the the movies. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jean Gould" Subject: (bagpipe) valve in blowpipe Date: 12 Mar 2000 01:36:00 GMT Hi there group, I have a question. When my bag is all corked off except the blowpipe and I inflate the bag, air starts to hiss out the blowpipe, does this mean the valve is bad, and or not doing it's job correctly? What are your suggestions for the best valve, and why.. Thanks, Jean - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rojo2g@aol.com (Rojo2G) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: T-shirt slogan contest Date: 12 Mar 2000 01:59:34 GMT >Suggestions? The floor is open. My parents went to Scotland and all I got was this bagpipe! ? Its been a slow day - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Robertson Subject: (bagpipe) Re: valve in blowpipe Date: 11 Mar 2000 18:44:20 -0800 Are you using a Lil Mac ? If so check to see if the little flapper hasn't curled. If it has sometimes you can reverse them. If your using a leather (why ?) check to see if it hasn't dried out. Oh, and the Lil Mac will sometimes leak when it gets too wet. Now, there may be a bit of leaking because of the extra pressure of the bag with the stocks corked up. However, I get a little leaking all the time anyway, just as long as it's not gushing out.

Jean Gould wrote:

Hi there group,

   I have a question.  When my bag is all corked off except the blowpipe and
I inflate the bag, air starts to hiss out the blowpipe, does this mean the
valve is bad, and or not doing it's job correctly?

  What are your suggestions for the best valve, and why..

            Thanks,    Jean

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Cheers
Don

Chris Armstrong wrote:

My piping teacher has asked me to ask the NG for assistance in defining
the term "Scottish Snap." Apperantly is has something to do with a
musical technique in straspeys.

Has anyone out there heard of the term Scottish Snap?  If so, what is
it?

I will greatly appreciate any assistance.
Chris Armstrong
Calgary International Airport Pipe Band

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Cheers, Steve White Bob Dunsire wrote in message <20000309130946.01953.00003137@ng-dc1.aol.com>... >Beginner (easy chanter reed) - big rooms - >from the front - 102dB >G3 (med / hard chanter) - big rooms (three) - >front - 105 to 106 dB >G1 - (med hard chanter) - big rooms - >front - 106-108 - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Equipment vs ability (was Reeds) Date: 12 Mar 2000 04:42:22 GMT On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:47:37 -0500, madman wrote: >Royce Lerwick wrote: >> >> On 11 Mar 2000 18:46:43 GMT, zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: >> >> >Do me a favor, though. Don't start mass-marketing those special stocks until >> >after I move up to grade 2. I need all the help I can get ; ) >> >> Or until you test them for chanter intonation, and strike-in ability >> with the drones. >> >> Royce > >Sorry Lerwick,but the guys who own those stocks could bury your arse >with their pipes still in the case. Yeah, but could they write about the experience as well as I do? >And who said anything about chanter stocks anyways,we're talking about >drone stocks,Mr. wise-ass. Seems to me the chief advantage would be in the chanter stock, as with Mark Lee's reeds anyway, steadiness isn't much of a problem. > >(strike-in is impeccable) Alright, so explain this then, wouldn't this constriction in the stock, in order for it to act as a regulator, fundamentally require a higher operating pressure? Or in other words, in order to "limit" fluctiation, it would serve as a damper *only* if the average pressure ahead of the damper were higher than the "steady" pressure making it to the reed. If the airflow were exactly meeting supply, there would be no restriction, and no damping effect. Or again, the principle works because you're cranking up pressure ahead of the restriction, and when excess pressure is produced, the flow rate through the restriction buffers the overblowing from having a direct effect on the reed? If the reed were light, there would be less regulation, and if the reed were heavy, there would be more. In order to regulate a lighter reed, you'd need a smaller orifice (no pun intended but enjoyed anyway) which would be a major gut-check for a much harder reed in the same stock? Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Titles Date: 12 Mar 2000 04:25:05 GMT >John Eric Partanen, Phd Professional Piper. 43 years of experience! Couldn't help but chuckle. From Sherwood's web again. Not that maybe John had anything to do with it, but since I used to give Lori Gaudet the ribbing for putting her "North American Champion Grade II PM" sig on her posts some years back, I thought I'd at least ask for clarification on whether John is a "PhD Professional Piper," or if he's got a PhD, and plays bagpipes in the professional class. Lori at least had the title. I'm sure we'll be able to rely on this sort or accuracy in Sherwood/Partanen's reporting of the big COMPADA news around the continent, which of course will be limited to users of Sharp and Co products. Which reminds me, I wonder, does John Partanen play Sharp and Co products, or has he played them in his rise to his high solo status in the WUSPBA? Is that Sharp 2000 he's so highly recommended for the bandsman been skyrocketing him into solo heights as well? Is that a set of Kintails on his shoulder out there on the boards? Curious minds want to know. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve's piper boy" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Sharp Sharp Sharp, Partanen III, tying up a man with a very big and very loose end Date: 11 Mar 2000 23:46:54 -0500 Royce Lerwick wrote in > > 1--Forgot to note on Mitchell's last attempt that he's yet to name his > anonymous personal friend and informer, Yea, just like your anonymous sources at the Worlds Competition! > predicted he would do. Likewise, forgot to note that I didn't buy > Gibsons not because I "wasn't an authorized dealer," but I'm not a > dealer at all So why bother phoning Jerry Gibson And demanding the wholesale price of his chanters. It's pretty bad when you try to make money off your own band mates. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve's piper boy" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Sharp Sharp Sharp, Partanen III, tying up a man with a very big and very loose end Date: 11 Mar 2000 23:56:34 -0500 Royce Lerwick wrote in > *make* me a dealer. I'd be happy to be Kron dealer. I'll jump right > onto the group and let you all know I've made my first sale and then > John can call me a "dealer" all he wants with accuracy. I'll be the > midwestern Kron bargain distributor of all time if he wants. Yea, I can hear it now, "attention K-mart shoppers" Unfortunately Royce hasn't clued into the needs of today's pipebands. Today's bands are looking for products that produce quality sound. Their not looking for bargain basement garbage! BTW K-mart shoppers, you can find Royce's CD in the clearance section for just $1.99 - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve's piper boy" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Uist & Barra Contest Date: 11 Mar 2000 23:59:36 -0500 Iain Speirs wrote in > > Piobaireachd > > 1 Roddy MacLeod > 2 Willie MacCallum > 3 Stuart Shedden > 4 Iain Speirs > 5 Gordon Walker. Iain, you finally made the prize list! Must be the result of all that good band playing recently. ;-0 - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve's piper boy" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: For Gods sake, someone please "help" me! Date: 12 Mar 2000 00:14:06 -0500 ccc31807 wrote in > Just wondering which part of your anatomy the leash is tethered > to. Why, the biggest part of course! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve's piper boy" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Titles Date: 12 Mar 2000 00:40:05 -0500 Royce Lerwick wrote in > > Curious minds want to know. > > Royce Just curious PM Lerwick, what band were you ever a PM of, and at what relevant grade were they in? By relevant, I mean who would they have beaten in the world today? - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sdon Subject: (bagpipe) Drone reed problem Date: 11 Mar 2000 22:58:19 -0700 I have a Ez drone tennor that started acting up today and nothing seems to fix it any ideas??? It either double tones back and forth or shuts off. Dosen't seem to be any middle ground. Don -- PIPER AT LARGE (sdon@utah.uswest.net) White Peaks Pipe Band http://www.angelfire.com/ut/sdon/index.html - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve's piper boy" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Drone reed problem Date: 12 Mar 2000 01:30:27 -0500 sdon wrote in message > I have a Ez drone tennor that started acting up today and nothing seems > to fix it any ideas??? It either double tones back and forth or shuts > off. Dosen't seem to be any middle ground. Alot depends on where the tenor drone is tuning. if it's too high on the tuning pin, then it acts up and shuts off. First, move it to the edge of the hemp, and see if it's tuning sharp or flat, but it's better if the tuning screw is all the way out. If it's still tuning too sharp, then pull the bridle slightly back. Hope this Helps cheers John - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Low" Subject: (bagpipe) Scarce of Fishing Date: 12 Mar 2000 09:37:01 -0000 I've been asked by a former pupil (who now lives in New Jersey - I live in England) to teach him "Scarce of Fishing" over the Net. I've not played this before - before I dive into Kilberry and the Piob Society Ms can anybody recommend a good recording of it? Bob Low - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Equipment vs ability (was Reeds) Date: 12 Mar 2000 15:21:42 GMT >Aren't drone reeds only part of the equation here? We haven't talked >about one variable. The chanter reed. This "air limiting" in the drone >stocks doesn't carry over to the chanter reed and the varied pressures >it can be subjected to. Don't you still have to have good breath >control in order to blow tone? Good point. The "air limiting" that goes on with the drones has a couple of major benefits. First, you can step up at LEAST a half-strength in chanter reed and STILL use less air than before. Second, the bag becomes very firm. More like a slightly over-ripe pumpkin than a football. As a result, you really use your arm to drive the pipes and breathing becomes almost secondary. It's almost impossible NOT to blow steady with a setup like this. Assuming you know the basics of blowing and squeezing and not overblowing the top hand. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Equipment vs ability (was Reeds) Date: 12 Mar 2000 15:23:36 GMT >And who said anything about chanter stocks anyways,we're talking about >drone stocks,Mr. wise-ass. > >(strike-in is impeccable) I have a lazy man's strike-in, but it's impeccable too with the bighead reeds. And it takes a major effort to overblow enough to shut the drones down. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Sharp Sharp Sharp, Partanen III, tying up a man with a very big and very loose end Date: 12 Mar 2000 15:49:49 GMT FWIW. I like reading well-written stuff. I like to read Royce, I like to read Iain's Pipey's Corner, and a few others. This doesn't mean I believe everything I read, nor do I believe anybody's giving consciously bad advice. They're just writing from their own perspectives. I find it entertaining, because not many people can write very well. Pipey's Corner is an editorial, let's not forget that. Just like a newspaper editorial, it has some basis in fact, and then the rest of it is slanted the way the writer wants to slant it. Royce has less of an axe to grind. They both have some good ideas. I like to read them both. The ideass that I think are good, I consider adopting. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Equipment vs ability (was Reeds) Date: 12 Mar 2000 15:34:31 GMT >Yeah, but could they write about the experience as well as I do? No. That's why we keep you around ; ) >Seems to me the chief advantage would be in the chanter stock, as with >Mark Lee's reeds anyway, steadiness isn't much of a problem. Air efficiency. >Alright, so explain this then, wouldn't this constriction in the >stock, in order for it to act as a regulator, fundamentally require a >higher operating pressure? When I changed to the stove bolts (from the original Wygent configuration), drone tone got sharper with all other things being equal. So sharp, in fact, that the stove bolts I use are a minimum of 1" long and in some cases as long as 1-3/4". Had to do this to keep the drone tops tuning on the pins. I don't know if there's a correlation between pressure and pitch, so I don't know if this helps answer the question. >Or again, the principle >works because you're cranking up pressure ahead of the restriction, >and when excess pressure is produced, the flow rate through the >restriction buffers the overblowing from having a direct effect on the >reed? I think so. But you also have to make a conscious effort to overblow, because the "delta" somehow gets negated. I tried to overblow and shut off my drone reeds, and I was able to, but the overall tone went horribly coarse, and then 2 drones shut off at once, followed almost immediately by the third. The chanter alone then got all crappy sounding and gurgly from top to bottom hand, probably because of the greater pressure now available to drive it. >In order to regulate a >lighter reed, you'd need a smaller orifice (no pun intended but >enjoyed anyway) which would be a major gut-check for a much harder >reed in the same stock? > You're still talking about the chanter stock. I meant drones. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jean Gould" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: valve in blowpipe Date: 12 Mar 2000 15:57:45 GMT Hi there, A little more info on my valve, it is the rubber Naill valve, thanks for the info so far, Jean Jean Gould wrote in message <4wCy4.6151$Q76.404599@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... >Hi there group, > > I have a question. When my bag is all corked off except the blowpipe and >I inflate the bag, air starts to hiss out the blowpipe, does this mean the >valve is bad, and or not doing it's job correctly? > > What are your suggestions for the best valve, and why.. > > > Thanks, Jean > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Horrid CD: Liner Notes? Date: 12 Mar 2000 15:58:44 GMT I have a CD called "Bagpipes and Drums of Scotland". It's by Laserlight Digital/ international passport. The local supermarket was selling them for about $1.99 a few years ago. Anyhow. I was listening to it yesterday because I was in the mood for some trad pipe band music. The recording quality is fair to poor, and from the sounds of the pipes and drums some of the tracks must be pretty old. But some of the chunes were pretty good. The liner notes are hosed, incomplete, and wrong. For instance, track 4 is "Pio Braireachd" (actually it's the Desparate Battle, or part of it). Does anybody know what the actual tunes played are? Particularly the rest of the MSR that starts with "Conund Rum" (sic)? Thanks, Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Drone reed problem Date: 12 Mar 2000 16:06:20 GMT >I have a Ez drone tennor that started acting up today and nothing seems >to fix it any ideas??? It either double tones back and forth or shuts >off. Dosen't seem to be any middle ground. That happened to one of my Zu reeds a couple weeks ago. I slid the bridle off, gave the tongue a good 45 degree bend in its original location, and put the bridle back on. Works like a champ now. The reed had become too marginally-adjusted, so it was very close to shutting off and being unstable. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scotch Date: 12 Mar 2000 09:43:46 -0900 Pie Eyed Piper wrote: > I decided to make a list of the scotches in this thread and try a few of the ones > that were mentioned and compare. Here are my unenlightened results. I tried > MacAllan, Oban, Glenmorangie and Highland Park. I really wanted to try Lagavulin > but the pub I went to was out. I have to admit they are all good but: > > 1) MacAllan -- very good smokey flavour, but not as smooth as I would like I know that beauty (or smoothness) is in the eye (or palate) of the beholder, but you would find very few Scotch Whisky experts who would argue that The MacAllan is not _THE_ smoothest single malt out there - too smooth, in fact, for those who prefer a bit of fire in their dram. I had the opportunity to try a dram of the 25 year old MacAllan, and it was so smooth that it was actually rather uninteresting. This very smoothness led to The MacAllan becoming the preferred Scotch of Yuppies during the big explosion in Scotch Whisky popularity a few years ago, which explains the ridiculous increase in price over the past three years. Prices seem to be gradually coming down a bit; I recently found the 18 year old MacAllan for just over $60.00 U.S. Alas, The MacAllan as we know and love it is soon to go the way of the Dodo. The company was sold to Japanese investors a few years ago; the new management immemdiately fired half of their tasters, and began ramping up for greatly increased production. My advice would be to buy now, and put some away for the future, as it seems highly unlikely that the quality of the whisky will remain unchanged. Hell, buy a cask if you're rich enough... > > 2) Oban -- Very smooth, good taste but not as flavourful as the MacAllan > 3) Glenmorangie -- I would put it somewhere between the taste and flavour of both > of the above. Really didn't like it at first but it got better with every sip > > 4) Highland Park -- The grand winner of the day. Nice smell, Very good taste and > smooth as silk. > > To put them in order, 1) Highland Park, 2) MacAllan 3) Oban 4) Glenmorangie. I would rate them as follows: 1. The MacAllan 2. Highland Park 3. Oban 4. Glenmorangie Highland Park is unusual in that it is distilled on the Orkney Islands. It has an interesting quality of grass, or new-mown hay in the nose. I agree that it is a lovely Scotch. You neglected to sample any of the Lowland Scotches, or the Islay or Skye Scotches. For the real peat reek, I prefer Talisker. Lagavulin has too much iodine for my taste, although those who like it tend to be quite fanatical about it. > My roommate was telling me that he would switch Macallan and Oban but we did agree > that they were all good. > > Jim No argument there! Cheers, Michael - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Horrid CD: Liner Notes? Date: 12 Mar 2000 09:55:42 -0900 Zudupiper wrote: > I have a CD called "Bagpipes and Drums of Scotland". It's by Laserlight > Digital/ international passport. The local supermarket was selling them for > about $1.99 a few years ago. > > Anyhow. I was listening to it yesterday because I was in the mood for some > trad pipe band music. The recording quality is fair to poor, and from the > sounds of the pipes and drums some of the tracks must be pretty old. > > But some of the chunes were pretty good. > > The liner notes are hosed, incomplete, and wrong. For instance, track 4 is > "Pio Braireachd" (actually it's the Desparate Battle, or part of it). > > Does anybody know what the actual tunes played are? Particularly the rest of > the MSR that starts with "Conund Rum" (sic)? Zu, I have the same CD, and particularly like the Strathspey in the MSR. I haven't had any luck identifying it though...I'll let you know if I figure out what it is...do you recognize the tune on track 12, labelled "reveille"? Incidentally, I notice on my liner notes that the band is the Gordon Highlanders. I'm guessing it was recorded sometime during the seventies, as the CD opens with Amazing Grace, and the drums sound like old style snares. Personally, I listen to this more than I would have thought, as it does have that real old-timey sound. Regards, Michael - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Old Pipe Band Recordings Date: 12 Mar 2000 10:19:10 -0900 Zu's post got me thinking about old recordings of pipe bands. Does anyone out there have a copy of the 1942 Beltona records recording of the Scots Guards Training Btn.? Long shot, I know, but who can tell what's lurking in people's closets out there. I like to get a copy for the Pater, who served with the Scots Guards 1942-44, and who has a fine contempt for modern pipe bands (he once described modern drummers as looking "like somebody eating their dinner - a pizza!" Thanks, Michael - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IainCameron@brandywine.telinco.co.uk (Iain Cameron) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Request for assistance with a "SCOTTISH SNAP" - WHAT IS IT?? Date: 12 Mar 2000 21:27:24 GMT On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:38:54 -0800, Don Robertson wrote: > > >Hi, I heard that term used a long time ago. If my memory serves me right, >sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it does. The "snap" has to do with the >accenting of the first and third beats in a Strathspey. In playing they >are given just a little extra time on the beat giving the tune a sense >of "lift" in the tune. I think that's right. But don't hold me to it. >
Cheers >
Don >

Chris Armstrong wrote: >

My piping teacher has asked me to ask the NG for >assistance in defining >
the term "Scottish Snap." Apperantly is has something to do with a >
musical technique in straspeys. >

Has anyone out there heard of the term Scottish Snap?  If so, what >is >
it? >

I will greatly appreciate any assistance. >
Chris Armstrong >
Calgary International Airport Pipe Band

> > > As defined by Francis Collinson in "The Traditional and National Music of Scotland" (1966) p 28: - "This is the rhythmic figure of a semi-quaver followed by a dotted quaver. It is particularly characteristic, and is one of the staple rhythms of the Strathspey; but it appears in every form of Scots music." Iain Cameron - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Blowpipe Valves: General discussion Date: 12 Mar 2000 21:36:04 GMT In article <38CBA6A7.8B8A4B40@nls.net>, Shawn Husk wrote: > Here's some general discussion on blowpipe valves and > my experience with them. > > Little Mac. > >..Some common gripes about this valve are: > #1 it's restrictive ie. the diameter of the hole in the > valve is too small thus you get less air into the bag > than you might be used to. What I've found is that the blowpipe, on average, is more restrictive than the Lil'Mac. I've bored out more than one blowpipe and mouthpiece to match the diameter of the valve. > Big Air Max from Angus Kyle > (http://plaza.v-wave.com/piper/) > > This is just like a little mac valve only much bigger. > I've used this valve myself and was very happy with it. > It's plug and play too and looks just like a little mac > only the hole diameter is much larger. > He charges $12 CND. This must be similar to the Cushing "Bore Mhor" valve. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz Subject: (bagpipe) Re: T-shirt slogan contest Date: 12 Mar 2000 23:05:06 GMT BostonPiper wrote: > "Bagpipe Players do it with Amazing Grace" How about: "Pipers do it with a thick skinned bag." -or- "Pipers do it with a bag full of hot air." These should be good for the wives . . . -- Andrew Lenz alenz@alumni.cse.ucsc.edu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Black Pipe Cords and Pipe Bags Date: 09 Mar 2000 05:00:01 GMT Or just make your own that's what I did. Hit the fabric store (bag material and fringe), the curtain shop (cord and tassels). We found it doesn't really save you much, but you get good quality and EXACTLY what you want as far as colors, etc. Andrew -- Andrew & Kristen Lenz alenz@alumni.cse.ucsc.edu Santa Cruz, California U.S.A. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: T-shirt slogan contest Date: 13 Mar 2000 00:17:54 GMT As is traditional with T-shirt slogans, we are caught between the Scylla and Charybdis of tasteless and lameness. hoping for something better.... Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Horrid CD: Liner Notes? Date: 13 Mar 2000 00:09:25 GMT >I listened to the MSR and I don't know what the S & R are. The are good >tunes >though. I'd be interested in their titles as well. That has to be a pretty damn good band (for the era) to be playing Conundrum like that. And the s/r too. Everybody's tophand is off. Weird that there are no drums. I do like the sound of the older low-pitched drums. Is that what pipe bands from the 60's or 70's sounded like? Even the good ones? Eeek. I wouldn't bet on everything being the Gordon Highlanders though. The piper on the front isn't wearaing anything Gordon. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Horrid CD: Liner Notes? Date: 13 Mar 2000 00:03:42 GMT >.do you recognize the tune on track 12, labelled "reveille"? A strange version of the Crimean Reveille. It's actually a set of about 6 or 8 chunes. the music is in one of the QOH books. Sodgers' Return is in there, along with Granny Duncan and some other tunes. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Blowpipe Valves: General discussion Date: 13 Mar 2000 00:15:46 GMT >What I've found is that the blowpipe, on average, is more restrictive >than the Lil'Mac. I've bored out more than one blowpipe and mouthpiece >to match the diameter of the valve. Right. But once you wise up and order or overdrill a max-diameter blowpipe/ mouthpiece, the Lil Mac is the bottleneck. So I changed to a flapper valve, first the Merrick, then couldn't seem to get them or good substitutes. Tried the leather and it's crap, so now I make my own out of bicycle inner tubes using the Merrick principle. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruce@ais.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Horrid CD: Liner Notes? Date: 13 Mar 2000 02:04:36 GMT In article <20000312105844.02581.00001576@ng-fg1.aol.com>, zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: > I have a CD called "Bagpipes and Drums of Scotland". It's by > Laserlight Digital/ international passport. The local supermarket > was selling them for about $1.99 a few years ago. > > Anyhow. I was listening to it yesterday because I was in the mood > for some trad pipe band music. The recording quality is fair to > poor, and from the sounds of the pipes and drums some of the tracks > must be pretty old. > > But some of the chunes were pretty good. > > The liner notes are hosed, incomplete, and wrong. For instance, > track 4 is > "Pio Braireachd" (actually it's the Desparate Battle, or part of it). > > Does anybody know what the actual tunes played are? Particularly the > rest of the MSR that starts with "Conund Rum" (sic)? > I can't identify all of the tunes on the CD (and I haven't listened to all of the tracks .... and of these tracks I don't have the patience to listen to them enough times to write down the notes and go through all of my books to try to find the tunes) but here are a few: Track 3: My Home/Green Hills of Tyrol Track 5: Cock of the North Track 7: Colonel Robertson/???/I Am a Young Man (That Lived With My Mother)/???/Rock and Wee Pickle Tow/Wooed and Married and A' Track 8: (When the) Battle's O'er/Magersfontein/Heroes of Vittoria Track 9: Conundrum/Dornie Ferry/Colonel MacLeod/??? Track 10: Atholl Highlanders/Inverness Gathering/Back of Benachie/ Black Bear/Brown Haired Maiden/Bonnie Dundee I'd be moderately interested if anyone can identify the other 6/8 marches on Track 7; I'm not quite sure how many tunes are in the gaps marked by ???. It sounds like one tune in each case but I can't be sure that it isn't just a couple of tunes with similar patterns. Bruce C. Wright Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruce@ais.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Horrid CD: Liner Notes? Date: 13 Mar 2000 02:41:32 GMT In article <20000312190342.02607.00001578@ng-fk1.aol.com>, zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: > >.do you recognize the tune on track 12, labelled "reveille"? > > A strange version of the Crimean Reveille. It's actually a set of > about 6 or 8 chunes. the music is in one of the QOH books. > Sodgers' Return is in there, along with Granny Duncan and some other > tunes. Each of the Regiments in the Crimean War had their own version of the Crimean Reveille. They shared many (but usually not all) of the same tunes. The structure, as far as I know, was always a set of tunes in slow time followed by another set in quick time. I did go back and took the time to give a listen to that track, and the tunes are all familiar to me so it wasn't hard to get a complete list: Track 12: Chisholm Castle (aka Erchless Castle, aka Jessie Chisholm)/ Granny Duncan/Fingal's Weeping/Granny Duncan/Greenwood Side/ Chisholm Castle (reprise in quick time). This is the same version of the Crimean Reveille as that given in the Gordon Highlanders Book I. Bruce C. Wright Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Discussion (warning: technical) Date: 12 Mar 2000 21:47:35 -0500 venturi effect maybe? Zudupiper wrote: > >Yo, like Zu, T-shirt dude: > >Watcha mean by "coat"---with wat dude? And, like, dude, wat's a "stove bolt"? > > Coat means coated with liquid rubber, the stuff that you can dip tool handles > in to get a nice rubber grip. > > A stove bolt is a round-headed bolt or screw (the distinction is blurry) that > has a whopping huge head with no groove in it. The head is bigger than the > head of a round-headed bolt, which was my first choice. Check it out next time > you're at the hardware store. > > >Also, how does the reduced air passageway from the bag to the reed > >affect drone volume? > > Again, this isn't intuitive at all. I expected the sound to be muffled, but > just the reverse is true. Slightly increased volume for much less air, and I > found the quality/ timbre of the sound to be more "thick" or "dense". More > ringing, more richness, more steadiness. > > Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Marching.... Date: 12 Mar 2000 21:52:46 -0500 Hmm... I'd describe it in a couple of ways.... The first beat on the first full measure.... Left foot... Some tunes have a pickup note or couple of notes. ... prior to the first full bar.. hopefully you are not starting from a standing start with this type of tune (usually you are already marching because of the two three beat rolls...left foot on the first beat of first roll).... but the pick up notes generally coincide with the right foot hitting the ground ... if you are already in full march.. If you "pulse ...pulse....pulse" with the sounding of "right....quick....march".... the next pulse should be your left foot march out... Use things & love people not the other way around…Diana Leising Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( PekingPiper@mao.org ) Zudupiper wrote: > >Start on the ____________ foot > > Left > > >End on the _____________ foot > > > > Right, unless you're playing tunes in 3/4 or 9/8 time. > > >What should I know for basic Pipe Major commands > > "By the right, quick march" is what is usually used to get you started, and you > generally stop playing at a predetermined point (end of a set, etc). > > Marching takes some getting used to. The problem is, that at your level of > development, you can't play the tunes anywhere near fast enough to march to > comfortably. I'm teaching a student to march about now, and I wound up playing > a tune and marching to it, and he first started tapping his foot, then > following along behind me. That's probably the best way, but I'm teaching him > solo competition-style marching, not street marching. Street marching is much > easier. > > Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Steadiness and Reed Efficiency Date: 12 Mar 2000 22:05:53 -0500 But would you feel more air resistance? and flow rate through the drone reed? thus affecting pitch... and haven't you already adjusted the drone reed tongue to take a minimum amount of air? Isn't lessening air resistance what we wanted to do with the larger blowstick diameters and valves... Sheesh.. Use things & love people not the other way around…Diana Leising Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( PekingPiper@mao.org ) Zudupiper wrote: > >Ideally, you should have drone reeds that allow the drones to be tuned well > >high on the hemp. This will usually require that the reed is tuned high on > >the > >tongue, causing the tongue to resonate in a steady state much quicker than if > >the bridle is kept low down > > And takes less air to boot. > > Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Blowpipe Valves: General discussion Date: 12 Mar 2000 22:24:08 -0500 Hi Shawn and all.. Thanks, Shawn, for the survey... the only thing I would add is that the large diameter rubber valves have "blown through" for my friends (possibly due to stronger reeds requiring more backpressure)... such that I am leery of getting one. Use things & love people not the other way around…Diana Leising Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( PekingPiper@mao.org ) Shawn Husk wrote: > Here's some general discussion on blowpipe valves and > my experience with them. > > > > Big Air Max from Angus Kyle > (http://plaza.v-wave.com/piper/) > > This is just like a little mac valve only much bigger. > I've used this valve myself and was very happy with it. > It's plug and play too and looks just like a little mac > only the hole diameter is much larger. > He charges $12 CND. > > > > Shawn - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Equipment vs ability (was Reeds) Date: 12 Mar 2000 22:29:51 -0500 Hi... I admit I've been reading fast and lightly... I don't understand drone reeds shutting down (which is mainly a matter of pressure not flow...I think)... being harder to shut down with the decreased cross sectional open area made due to the stoppage of the larger heads... If anything... if you got the decreased diameter right down to the drone reed itself I would think you get greater pressure due to the hydraulic effect... all other factors being equal, of course. Use things & love people not the other way around…Diana Leising Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( PekingPiper@mao.org ) Zudupiper wrote: > >And who said anything about chanter stocks anyways,we're talking about > >drone stocks,Mr. wise-ass. > > > >(strike-in is impeccable) > > I have a lazy man's strike-in, but it's impeccable too with the bighead reeds. > > And it takes a major effort to overblow enough to shut the drones down. > > Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scotch...Mac 18 Date: 12 Mar 2000 22:34:22 -0500 Seen ..adapted from... a recent cartoon... Bartender: you want Scotch?... what year would you like... John replies... Whaddya mean, what year? I WANT IT NOW! Cheers Use things & love people not the other way around…Diana Leising Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( PekingPiper@mao.org ) Phillip Shields wrote: > Macallan has been mentioned a lot. No question, the 18 is the best single out there, > in my opinion. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Request for assistance with a "SCOTTISH SNAP" - WHAT IS IT?? Date: 12 Mar 2000 22:41:25 -0500 Hi... my understanding... Scottish snap is the habit of putting a sixteenth-dotted eighth combo on many of the beats of a typical 4/4 dance kind of tune... often the primary beat...i.e. the short note on the beat Further, it is the habit of cutting the hell out (bouncing off) of the sixteenth note such that the ratio in actual performance is much closer to 1 to 5 as opposed to the mathematical 1 to 3 called for by the music. hope this helps. Use things & love people not the other way around…Diana Leising Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( PekingPiper@mao.org ) Iain Cameron wrote: > > "This is the rhythmic figure of a semi-quaver followed by a dotted quaver. It is > particularly characteristic, and is one of the staple rhythms of the Strathspey; but it > appears in every form of Scots music." > > Iain Cameron - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Irish Rangers Uniforms Date: 13 Mar 2000 04:25:43 GMT Hi Group, I am looking for pictures of the Irish Rangers 'Pipers' uniforms. Or if anyone has an Irish Pipers tunic that they might sell, please let me know. I am looking for a green Irish Tunic, and a Cape. I would like to add on to my bands uniform. Thanks, PM Mike LeBoeuf Irish Heritage Pipe Band San Francisco - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bruce@ais.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Horrid CD: Liner Notes? Date: 13 Mar 2000 04:43:10 GMT In article <8ahibg$t5j$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, bruce@ais.com wrote: > In article <20000312105844.02581.00001576@ng-fg1.aol.com>, > zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: > > I have a CD called "Bagpipes and Drums of Scotland". It's by > > Laserlight Digital/ international passport. The local supermarket > > was selling them for about $1.99 a few years ago. > > > Track 7: Colonel Robertson/???/I Am a Young Man (That Lived With My > Mother)/???/Rock and Wee Pickle Tow/Wooed and Married and A' I was finally able to identify the second 6/8 march in this set -- it is "The Quaker's Wife". I still can't figure out the one after "I am A Young Man"; there are 2 parts of 6/8 march, which would seem to mean that this is one march (which sounds likely) but the recording also has only fragments of some of the other marches in this set so this is not completely certain. Bruce C. Wright Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Johns saturday in Florida Date: 13 Mar 2000 00:15:27 -0500 Okay, okay ... I'll end the suspense here! Saturday was an absolute riot!!!!! These things could only happen to John Mitchell and Maeve as a team .. . I'm sure of this!!!! We were supposed to meet in Inverness at 11 a.m. to line up. We were going to follow a couple of the other pipers up there since it was an hour and a half's drive. We had John's shirt (yes, I sewed on the patches and ironed it, hence taking the role of "wife"!) but the kilt hose, flashes, sporran, and kilt were going to arrive at the parade. John donned a pair of khaki shorts along with the shirt. I drove, we talked, listened to tapes, John played his tin whistle, and we arrived at 11:05 . .. just in time for the police patrolling the parade route to tell us that the parade STARTED at 11 and we could not get in. Well, we coerced our way through the lines, found the band ... and also found that the person supplying the kilt FORGOT the kilt! So we put the kilt hose on John with the band shirt and khaki shorts! Looked great . . .since the pipe major had also forgotten HIS kilt and was also wearing khaki shorts! At least they matched!!! I couldn't get John to tuck his shirt in so off we went with his shirt tails flapping in the breeze!! I don't even think I got him to pull up his kilt hose .. . I'll have to look at the pictures when I get them back! ONLY in Florida could this happen!!!!!!! We quickly got our pipes tuned and joined the band. The pipe major must have seen the compatibility of humor between John and myself and put us in the back row, each end, making sure there was a piper between the two of us, like two kids!!! :) :) Didn't stop the joking and bantering though!!! We kept yelling at John to quit playing so correctly . . . he just sounded too good to be a part of us ;) :) :) :) At the end of the parade, all of the guys came up and congratulated me, giving me lots of hugs and kisses! They told me that this was the tradition for a first parade. I accepted that until I realized that the band was made up of all men but Peggy and me .. and I asked if they did this for the new MALE pipers as well. Sort of brought about a sheepish grin from the lot! Got a great picture of John and the P/M in their Floridian attire . .. I'll put it on my web site when I get them developed :) :) :) :) The parade was only 3/4 of a mile and there was this cute little trolley to take us back to the parking lot. We didn't get enough playing during the parade so I got John to play some of his great jigs (St. Pat's day, ya know!) on the return trip! WOW! That trolley rocked!!!!!! We had about 5 hours until the Hooter's gig . .. so we headed off to one of the drummer's house where John enjoyed sitting at the edge of the pool, feet in the water, beer in hand, enjoying the FL sun! The cooler emptied quickly but a run to the local package store provided a couple of liters of Bailey's, which carried us over to Hooters. By this time, John was sun-burned beyond belief! There will be no denying that he was in Florida for the weekend! The kilt arrived, we dressed John and were off to Hooters. Now ... this was where it got REALLY good! The place was packed and we did the obligatory playing in between 100 Buffalo wings and 10 pitchers of beer! We "saved" John by playing the simple stuff and then got him to do his solo piping on the porch!!!! It was GREAT!!!! Two of the band members got me up to dance to John's piping . .. we danced and danced and danced! There was a pack of renegade bikers, who had just returned from Bike Week in Daytona, leaving the restaurant. They had to walk right through the center of us "dancers". We each grabbed one and had THEM doing Highland dancing as well! What a sight!!!!! They were certainly great sports about the whole thing and John brought the roof down with his piping! A daughter of one of the drummers is an open competition Highland Fling dancer. We managed to talk her into dancing on the porch as well . . . what a treat for all of us in the band and for the patrons as well. This one of those great moments in life that will not be forgotten!!!! So there you have it! John was a real trooper to have put up with all of the stuff that was handed to him during this visit! What a guy!!!! I can't wait until his next visit . .. which just might be in 3 weeks!!!!! We're trying to arrange for him to fly down for the competitions in Dunedin . . . open solo piping!! I hope we can do it as I'm going to go through separation anxiety when he boards the plane in the morning!!!! After these last few days, I consider John a great friend . .. and I will certainly miss the "3rd Husband" that I have had lately . .. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) Kidding aside . . . I would not have missed these days with John for all of the money in the world. More on that later!!!!!!!! Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida! http://people.delphi.com/terralyn authoring sandykeith.com "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all." Oscar Wilde > I do not think i am the only one here interested in knowing this: How > did Mitchells parade go on sat.? John, were you in the back row, middle? > front row right?? what was it like? i hope you did not give them shit for > missing gracenotes or yell at any of them for being out of step, i am sure > you held your cool!!!! > > dieing to here what it was like, > > i would love to hear maeves point of view, or mauve as john says!! > > and john thought about it all!!!! > > hugh > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Horrid CD: Liner Notes? Date: 12 Mar 2000 23:07:25 -0900 Zudupiper wrote: > I do like the sound of the older low-pitched drums. Is that what pipe bands > from the 60's or 70's sounded like? Even the good ones? Eeek. I'm with you on the drums, in the context of military bands. The old pipe bands rolled along like thunder, with the side drums swinging off the drummers' hips looking pure gallus. There was a swagger there that seems missing from today's bands. I know drummers will never change back to the old rope tension drums, but I think that military bands would do very well to switch to a lower pitched drum, especially for marching and parade. > > I wouldn't bet on everything being the Gordon Highlanders though. The piper on > the front isn't wearaing anything Gordon. If you closely at the photo, the piper is cut out and pasted over the background. I don't recall there being an overlook like the one in the picture above Eileen Donan Castle. In fact, I would bet that the piper was playing at the infamous layby in Glencoe, which is almost never without a busker. I would certainly agree with you, though, that there is little reliable information of any sort on the CD cover. Cheers, Michael - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Horrid CD: Liner Notes? Date: 12 Mar 2000 23:09:22 -0900 bruce@ais.com wrote: > > I did go back and took the time to give a listen to that track, and the > tunes are all familiar to me so it wasn't hard to get a complete list: > > Track 12: Chisholm Castle (aka Erchless Castle, aka Jessie Chisholm)/ > Granny Duncan/Fingal's Weeping/Granny Duncan/Greenwood Side/ > Chisholm Castle (reprise in quick time). > > This is the same version of the Crimean Reveille as that given in the > Gordon Highlanders Book I. > > Bruce C. Wright > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Thanks, Bruce. Now I have an excuse to buy GH Vol I. Regards, Michael - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) For the record ... Date: 13 Mar 2000 07:51:25 -0500 This is for the curious of you who want to know just how this weekend with John Mitchell went for all of us down in the deep south. Since John has left just a little while ago and I now have a moment, I'll try to describe the weekend. This might not be as upbeat as it could be if I waited a while . . . the sadness of his departure is still upon me! What I am about to report is extremely inconsistent with the perception of John that is portrayed on this NG! From the moment that he arrived, John was personable, helpful, kind and not the least bit critical or condescending!!!! Being the perfect gentleman at all times, John was a joy to have around the house and in public. There was never a time when he was not smiling!!!! While I joked with him about his going back and missing my smiling face each day, the opposite is quite true . . . I'll miss his sunny smiles and quick humor. He was more than helpful and gracious in setting up Angus, showing me tips and tricks with his own pipe, playing with a lousy street band and other things he was subjected to during this stay. My husband and the band completely enjoyed John! There is a lot of depth, feeling and compassion hidden behind that smiling face! In the evenings, we sat barefoot on the front porch, under the starlight sky, talking about anything and everything, solving world problems and coming up with piping competition solutions. It was nice chatting with someone with this depth of thought . . . not something I find on a regular basis. This was a pleasant surprise to see someone so gifted and talented in one area have the ability to converse in so many other areas!!!!! John was helpful right up to the last moments of his stay. Despite the FULL weekend of sun and fun, John worked with Angus me again last night . . . we set up Angus again with my new Gibson Blackwood solo chanter (watch out, Dave!), putting in new drone reeds and fine tuning everything to get him going perfectly before John left. I was exhausted and said to him, "Why are we working this hard when we could be sitting down and relaxing?" He just smiled at me and said, "Because this is what we do." The workshop went quite well! Everyone in the band was mesmerized by John's knowledge and willingness to share. I've NEVER seen the band so quiet and attentive. John answered each question that was asked in a clear, direct and concise manner. It wasn't long into the day that the other members were talking about the "John Mitchell: Phase II" workshop that is being planned in the fall. I quickly volunteered to keep him again if this comes to fruition. The band is still in awe and reverence over John's talent. Mixed with that fine talent is the ability to convey information. I sat at a distance watching John help a new piper in our band, and I smiled at the gentleness and patience that I saw in John while doing this. This young piper had only held a set of pipes twice but that didn't matter a bit to John. I feel blessed to have been a part of this whole endeavor. Now, you can all say what you will about John . .. this is MY experience and I shall treasure the time spent with him forever!!!! John, you know that you are always welcome in my home ... and if it EVER gets too cold (like when you get off the plane today!) there are always return flights :) :) :) :) :) Let me just add that I think he's been ruined by the Florida weather! We were going to dinner last night to a place on the beach where we could watch the sun setting over the Gulf when John rolled up the window in the van . . . . saying it was too cold!!!! LOL! Just wait, Buddy!!!!! I can only imagine what is going to happen when those plane doors open today!!!!!! ::Maeve gives the knife one more twist!:: Thank you, John, for who you are and all that you have done for us down here! If anyone else ever gets the chance to do this .. . don't pass up the opportunity! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . drying the tears and missing her FRIEND, John, already! http://people.delphi.com/terralyn authoring sandykeith.com "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all." Oscar Wilde - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.