From: Jess Jensen Subject: BB: Note worthy Date: 03 Dec 1998 21:51:18 -0500 I thought some of you might be interested in this. Last week while at the Ducati shop ,I ran into Chip (SLBMW)- having Mark Cohan's Yellow K1200rs on the Dyno. Turns out the k12 runs at 104 hp to the rear wheel, not as much as many of us k1200 guy's had hoped for. Chip explained that he (the shop)are going too put a Remas sport pip on it ,and wanted to see the hp difference before and after.About a hour later Chip/dip returned with a much sportier sounding bike- not at all offensive.On to the Dyno it goes. The results were very impressive, 3 to 4 hp increase at midrange, and a full 10 hp overall . The pip is around = 7 to 8 lb. lighter ,so there's additional 1 hp. So fer a little more than half the price of a staintune ," you get more power"......erff......erff....erff..! Gota have one!! Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: Re: BB: Note worthy Date: 03 Dec 1998 22:14:48 EST Bob: We should experiment with a d&d and my supertrapp on your K bike Bring it out and I will break out the cutting torch. Crit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Wallace Subject: Re: BB: Note worthy Date: 03 Dec 1998 20:42:57 -0700 The only other dyno test (at sea level) of the K1200RS that I read about indicated 112-114 horse puppies at the wheel. These numbers would be in line with the difference in elevation. Bob, you need to buy a new accessory anyway. It's been what? A week since your last purchase? I'm only guessing........ GAV Jess Jensen wrote: > I thought some of you might be interested in this. > Last week while at the Ducati shop ,I ran into Chip (SLBMW)- > having Mark Cohan's Yellow K1200rs on the Dyno. > Turns out the k12 runs at 104 hp to the rear wheel, > not as much as many of us k1200 guy's had hoped > for. Chip explained that he (the shop)are going too > put a Remas sport pip on it ,and wanted to see > the hp difference before and after.About a hour later > Chip/dip returned with a much sportier sounding bike- > not at all offensive.On to the Dyno it goes. > The results were very impressive, 3 to 4 hp increase > at midrange, and a full 10 hp overall . The pip is around > 7 to 8 lb. lighter ,so there's additional 1 hp. So fer a little > more than half the price of a staintune ," you get more > power"......erff......erff....erff..! > > Gota have one!! > > Bob > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Wallace Subject: Re: BB: Note worthy Date: 03 Dec 1998 20:45:45 -0700 Which two cylinders are you going to remove? Can you make it look as ugly as a boxer? If you make a mistake, put different handlebars on it and call it Cruiser. GAV Swan555@aol.com wrote: > Bob: We should experiment with a d&d and my supertrapp on your K bike > Bring it out and I will break out the cutting torch. > Crit > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: Re: BB: Note worthy Date: 03 Dec 1998 23:11:08 -0500 Not sure if i want to dignify that Crit. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: Re: BB: Note worthy Date: 03 Dec 1998 23:14:15 -0500 I don't keep track,or i would feel guilty......Gav. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: Re: BB: Note worthy Date: 03 Dec 1998 23:18:13 -0500 I think you could call it a looser........Im sure Big D, would have a fue= choice names for it. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Note worthy Date: 03 Dec 1998 22:20:40 -0700 Yeeeeehhhaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwww!! Bob and His Munificence in the garage with a cutting torch!! Guaranteed to be a show in true Barnum tradition; can I handle the ticket sales???? DeVern On 3 Dec 98, at 22:14, Swan555@aol.com wrote: > Bob: We should experiment with a d&d and my supertrapp on your K bike > Bring it out and I will break out the cutting torch. Crit > > - > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Note worthy Date: 03 Dec 1998 22:39:24 -0700 Yeah, but Bob--that was a DUCATI dyno. We all know that Italian horsepower are smaller than German horsepower. This is why the Italians are always doing that swagger and machismo thing, to make their horsepower seem larger. If you want accurate numbers you need to truck your machine to a good GERMAN dyno and make a few runs. My guess is that they probably put Italian gas in your machine, too, before performing the dyno runs, and of course we all know what happens when you run Italian gas!. DeVern PS: If you doubt my word on this you can prove it yourself. Just buy a good German dyno (you don't have one yet, do you??), install it in your garage, and invite your friends to bring their two- wheeled spaghetti stretchers over for a run. On 3 Dec 98, at 21:51, Jess Jensen wrote: > I thought some of you might be interested in this. > Last week while at the Ducati shop ,I ran into Chip (SLBMW)- > having Mark Cohan's Yellow K1200rs on the Dyno. > Turns out the k12 runs at 104 hp to the rear wheel, > not as much as many of us k1200 guy's had hoped > for. Chip explained that he (the shop)are going too > put a Remas sport pip on it ,and wanted to see > the hp difference before and after.About a hour later > Chip/dip returned with a much sportier sounding bike- > not at all offensive.On to the Dyno it goes. > The results were very impressive, 3 to 4 hp increase > at midrange, and a full 10 hp overall . The pip is around > 7 to 8 lb. lighter ,so there's additional 1 hp. So fer a little > more than half the price of a staintune ," you get more > power"......erff......erff....erff..! > > Gota have one!! > > Bob > > - > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: Re: BB: Note worthy Date: 04 Dec 1998 08:54:57 -0500 I think there will be a very special award for you this year DeVern. The= Snooze award..........YeeeHHaaa. Robert - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: BB: Re: Note worthy Date: 04 Dec 1998 10:51:30 -0700 Bob, I told you I can get you you a PT-6 turbine rated at 900 shaft hp. ONly weights 220 lbs. should fit in you frame. Can you hang on? Deav -----Original Message----- I thought some of you might be interested in this. Last week while at the Ducati shop ,I ran into Chip (SLBMW)- having Mark Cohan's Yellow K1200rs on the Dyno. Turns out the k12 runs at 104 hp to the rear wheel, not as much as many of us k1200 guy's had hoped for. Chip explained that he (the shop)are going too put a Remas sport pip on it ,and wanted to see the hp difference before and after.About a hour later Chip/dip returned with a much sportier sounding bike- not at all offensive.On to the Dyno it goes. The results were very impressive, 3 to 4 hp increase at midrange, and a full 10 hp overall . The pip is around 7 to 8 lb. lighter ,so there's additional 1 hp. So fer a little more than half the price of a staintune ," you get more power"......erff......erff....erff..! Gota have one!! Bob - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: Re: BB: Note worthy Date: 04 Dec 1998 10:54:26 -0700 Can I take out the insurance policy made payable to me? Deav -----Original Message----- Yeeeeehhhaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwww!! Bob and His Munificence in the garage with a cutting torch!! Guaranteed to be a show in true Barnum tradition; can I handle the ticket sales???? DeVern On 3 Dec 98, at 22:14, Swan555@aol.com wrote: > Bob: We should experiment with a d&d and my supertrapp on your K bike > Bring it out and I will break out the cutting torch. Crit > > - > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: BB: Re: Beemers Exciting??? was Ducati Myths Date: 04 Dec 1998 18:46:30 -0500 Though the list might like to see some of the things that are said on the= Ducati list. -------------Forwarded Message----------------- = RE: Re: Beemers Exciting??? was Ducati Myths Sender: Ducati@ducati.net Received: from mailstrom.revnet.com (mailstrom.revnet.com [198.51.35.79])= by arl-img-6.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.16) with ESMTP id LAA08454; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from preview.revnet.com (Preview.revnet.com [198.51.35.121]) by mailstrom.revnet.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA18008; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:58:35 -0600 Message-Id: <199811301558.JAA18008@mailstrom.revnet.com> Reply-To: Ducati@ducati.net Errors-To: Ducati@ducati.net Originator: Ducati@ducati.net X-Mailer: GroupMaster X-Mailer-Version: 1.5 X-GroupMasterUser: Revnet Express Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" >BMW's are the most misunderstood, underappreciated bikes I can think of= . >You need to come to some of the DOCC events and see the "old timers" com= e >to the track, take off their bags and tankbags, tape up their lights an= d >mirrors amd then proceed to KICK ASS. That doesn't make them exciting or fast. It's the rider who's fast, or crazy. Just look at Reg Pridmore blow everyone away on VFR with a pillio= n on back. You intimated it, they are bikes for "old timers" -- over-price= d and over-weight, but comfortable and fast enough for the individual who i= s not ready for that Gold Wing, yet can no longer stand the pain of a Ducat= i or considers a VFR slumming it. I've owned BMW's (back in the mid-70's when they were still the best handling and fastest bikes around) and don'= t think they are misunderstood. Admittedly, Ducati's are overly-fast and over-sexed for my own good. But= they are too fun and give me a great workout when I ride in exchange for some minor pain and stiffness the morning. Much cheaper than a trophy wi= fe and she'll never ask me to start another family -- "honey, wouldn't you like to have a little Monster running around." Er, forget what I said about kids. Damn, maybe I should've gotten a BMW after all. Anyway, remember it's all about two wheels, not what you ride. Gotta go, gotta ride. ____________________________________________________________ Unsubscribe or access your membership settings at: = http://preview.revnet.com/GMG/ctrlpanel/0/413 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Re: Beemers Exciting??? was Ducati Myths Date: 04 Dec 1998 17:03:08 -0700 Hey, Bob-- those Duc guys are just pissed because BMW won't lend an air of authenticity to the R1100S by embedding a dead fly in the yellow paint.... DeVern PS: When do most Duc guys participate in motorcycle discussions ?? Pick one: A. When they're waiting in line at the chiropracter's office. B. When they're waiting for the mechanic to remove the heads on the Duc and adjust the clearances on the desmo works?? C. When they meet at the shop on Saturdays to find out how many more weeks they have to wait for their parts. D. While waiting in line at the insurance adjuster's office (I recall seeing a published insurance industry stat showing over 50% of new Ducs are crashed in the first year of ownership) The quiz is on... On 4 Dec 98, at 18:46, Jess Jensen wrote: > Though the list might like to see some of the things that are said on the > Ducati list. > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: Re: BB: Note worthy Date: 04 Dec 1998 19:25:20 EST No Devern you can't I have a friend, female, Who is an executive in Salt Lake with a ticket company, she rides a K100 RS. Crit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: Re: BB: Re: Beemers Exciting??? was Ducati Myths Date: 04 Dec 1998 21:00:22 -0500 Ok......Ok......Ok.......Big D. A- is good B- is Bad C- Is about the same as Beamers. D. The Ducati is one of the most desirable bikes on the road,best looks,best performance. Put it all togather and you have a recipe for Squiddom.Plus -there just simply inspiring! They make you want to ride faster.So....easy to see why, the higher= crash rate...... Alot of them end up crashing on race tracks.............."So there"!! = DeVern: I have Right side & Left side Bike's.......Who could want for more..........(.No flame please.) = Good By. Bob = = Your mind=3DBMW = = = Your mind on drugs =3DHarley = = Your mind on a high=3DDucati = - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: Re: BB: Re: Beemers Exciting??? was Ducati Myths Date: 04 Dec 1998 21:04:56 EST There are two statutes in a Park, one is male and one is female and they have been starring at each other for almost one hundred years. An angel comes by and makes them alive and gives them 10 minutes to do anything they want. They come back in 5 minutes and the angel says, don't you want the other 5 minutes the male turns to the female and says, Ok, only this time you hold down the pigeon, while I shit on it. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john beeson Subject: BB: No show at Christmas Party Date: 06 Dec 1998 19:31:35 -0800 Lila and I will not be able to make it over to the dinner next Saturday. The local high school has asked me to take the next two weeks of classes for a math teacher. (quit with no notice). Quit laughing Big D. So, we don't have enough time to make the trip. Just to let you know, the Chief Joseph has been moved to Klamath Falls. Same weekend ( third wknd June). It will be on the OIT campus, Oregon Institute of Tech. There are some great rides from there. Crater Lake is about an hour ride and there are other great rides in the Cascades. Anyway, sorry we won't get be there next Saturday. John B Sisters,or - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: No show at Christmas Party Date: 06 Dec 1998 20:51:52 -0700 On 6 Dec 98, at 19:31, john beeson wrote: > Lila and I will not be able to make it over to the dinner next > Saturday. The local high school has asked me to take the next two weeks > of classes for a math teacher. (quit with no notice). Quit laughing Big > D. So, we don't have enough time to make the trip. Laughing?? Hell, I'm tipping my hat in admiration. One who finally came to his senses-- not too many people get to pull off a job change where they get a raise as well as reduce their blood pressure and personal safety risks, all in one fell swoop. :^) Sorry you won't be able to make it, I was really looking forward to seeing you and Lila again and kicking tires about the R80ST. > > Just to let you know, the Chief Joseph has been moved to Klamath > Falls. Same weekend ( third wknd June). It will be on the OIT campus, > Oregon Institute of Tech. There are some great rides from there. Crater > Lake is about an hour ride and there are other great rides in the > Cascades. This is good news. While I never attend the rally at Hepner, I know that the roads around Hepner are great but the rally site left something to be desired. Only problem is, I'll bet the rally will once again fall on the same weekend as the Utah 1088 and I'm already committed to that. Maybe in 2000... > > Anyway, sorry we won't get be there next Saturday. > > John B You will be missed! DeVern DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: BB: Re: No show at Christmas Party Date: 06 Dec 1998 21:33:02 -0700 John, Thanks for the info about the party and Chief Joseph. It'll be fun to run Hiway 140 to the sea. Tom Deaver -----Original Message----- >Lila and I will not be able to make it over to the dinner next >Saturday. The local high school has asked me to take the next two weeks >of classes for a math teacher. (quit with no notice). Quit laughing Big >D. So, we don't have enough time to make the trip. > > Just to let you know, the Chief Joseph has been moved to Klamath >Falls. Same weekend ( third wknd June). It will be on the OIT campus, >Oregon Institute of Tech. There are some great rides from there. Crater >Lake is about an hour ride and there are other great rides in the >Cascades. > >Anyway, sorry we won't get be there next Saturday. > >John B >Sisters,or > >- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: BB: No show at Christmas Party Date: 07 Dec 1998 09:24:00 -0500 ,I was hopeing you could keep Big D, company on the back row. I guess he'= ll have to sit alone now. You'll be missed John, take care. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: No show at Christmas Party Date: 07 Dec 1998 07:36:38 -0700 On 7 Dec 98, at 9:24, Jess Jensen wrote: > ,I was hopeing you could keep Big D, company on the back row. I guess > he'll have to sit alone now. Yeah, Bobster-- in the seat right in front of yours! :^) DG DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas W. Kullen" Subject: BB: Park City Motorcycle Week Date: 09 Dec 1998 13:27:49 -0700 Donald Sanborn wrote: > > ALERT - - - - ALERT - - - - ALERT - - - - ALERT - - - ALERT - - - ALERT > > WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING > > WHEN: THURSDAY DEC 10th AT 5:30 PM > > WHERE: CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS MARSAC BUILDING, 445 MARSAC AVE, FIRST FLOOR > > The Park City Council will be voting on the Festival License for the Park > City Motorcycle Week to be held on Sept 16 - 19, 1999. We need a strong > show of support from our Club at the City Council meeting Thursday December > 10th. It is important that we show up at the Council Chambers IN NUMBERS. > If the application is approved it will be a big boost for the hotel, > restaurants and retail merchants of Park City on what would otherwise be a > slow September weekend. In addition several local charities will directly > benefit from the event. On top of all of these benefits to our resort > community it will be a fun event that will be long remembered by all. > > It would also be very helpful if you have a chance before the Thursday > meeting to call the following City Council members and personally state > your support for the event: > > Shauna Kerr Off 658 1818 Home 649 6718 > Hugh Daniels Off 645 3931 Home 645 8187 > Chuck Kleinstein Off 649 3368 Home 649 1057 > > Donald R. Sanborn 3084 American Saddler, Park City, UT 84060 > Office Phone 435-649-6226 Home 435-655-0760 Fax 435-655-9598 > Email: dsanborn@utah-inter.net It would be helpful if you guys could call the council people on the list and tell them they should vote for Park City Motorcycle Week. A strong positive input will finally put one of the premier motorcycle events in the country right in your home state. If you call and get the councilpersons answering machine, just leave a message supporting the event-you do not need to mention that you do not live in Park City if that is the case-just your name. All three coucil members should be called. The event will include AHRMA Vintage Roadraces, Motorcross, Trials, in Park City and Flat Track in Heber. A Concours and demo rides from various motorcycle manufacturers and parts & accessory mnfrs. will also be included. Any questions, give me a call: 435.649.7169 or check the website at www.parkcitymotorcycle.com Cheers, Tom Kullen - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas W. Kullen" Subject: BB: Park City Motorcycle Week Date: 10 Dec 1998 22:21:51 -0700 It's official!!!!! Just returned from the City Council meeting and by a margin of 4-1....Park City Motorcycle Week is on!!!! If allowed a moment during the Christmas party, I'll present the details. Cheers, Tom - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: BB: tomorrows elections and din-din Date: 11 Dec 1998 20:36:12 -0700 Bob, I'm sending this message via both addresses to make sure you get it. ASAP Tell Linda I have new and as current as I can get them rosters for all of the club officers, including new ones. I also have 100 additional ballots for the club officers elections. I'll be arriving about 12:30 p.m. or 1/2 hour early to assist with any set up needed. See you tomorrow. Tom Deaver PS: Is there ever a time when your telephone line is not busy? How many teenagers live at your address anyway? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: tomorrows elections and din-din Date: 11 Dec 1998 23:12:29 -0700 It isn't the teenagers, it's just the Bobster spending his days and nights searching the internet for pearls of wisdom to cast before the swine. Remember when he had a life???? :^) :^) DeVern PS: Bobster-- if you cast pearls before swine the what do you cast before ducks??? On 11 Dec 98, at 20:36, Tom Deaver wrote: > Bob, > > I'm sending this message via both addresses to make sure you get it. ASAP > > Tell Linda I have new and as current as I can get them rosters for all of > the club officers, including new ones. I also have 100 additional ballots > for the club officers elections. > > I'll be arriving about 12:30 p.m. or 1/2 hour early to assist with any set > up needed. > > See you tomorrow. > > Tom Deaver > PS: Is there ever a time when your telephone line is not busy? How many > teenagers live at your address anyway? > > > - > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: Re: BB: tomorrows elections and din-din Date: 12 Dec 1998 10:02:51 -0500 That was fairly profound for you Big d. My guess would be=3D Ducati does = the casting,and once caught ,you can never go back! Remember Big d, Everyone wants DNA..........".Ducati North America"!......... Now leave me alone..........I have to put my Beamer hat on..... Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Clark" Subject: BB: New Web Site Location Date: 12 Dec 1998 18:15:11 -0700 BBers, The club web site is now at http://www.aspengrove.com/beehive. The original site will direct you to this new site. -- Mike - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: BB: Doubtful origins Date: 12 Dec 1998 22:03:10 -0700 To all Beehive Beemers, Be it known to all club members that contrary to some conversations held at today's dinner I am NOT the originator of the request for the Club Bylaw changes. I spoke up, voluntarily, once. It was during the first meeting where this subject was discussed. I have a standing invitation to Vic Kennedy, doesn't even have a bike currently, (he's just a real nice fellow and hopefully a friend) to come to any and all club activities as my allowed guest. I don't, personally, care what anyone rides, drives or flys. I'm only interested in friendships and comraderie. That is why I put in time as a club volunteer. If any of you want to bring guest and run into the one per member rule you may say they are my guest. I've not met anyone I dislike or would not associate with at a Beehive Beemer function. Please don't start a rumor, 'cause it would be untrue, that Tom Deaver is the one or even one of the individuals behind the by-law changes. these are the club by-laws now and I will live and support them as a club member should, my opinion. Just as I would have complied with and support the By-laws if they had not been changed. Come and be civil and leave the gossip to those who need it to . . . . . . Personally, I dislike having anyone's feelings injured, period. I see enough of that in a week through my employment to last most a lifetime. Soap box off, Respectfully, Tom Deaver - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Clark" Subject: BB: I screwed up the server. Date: 13 Dec 1998 00:37:07 -0700 Well, Soon after I told you all about the new web page location, the web server there went down. Give me a little while to try to get it back up. -- Mike - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Clark" Subject: BB: Re: I screwed up the server. Date: 13 Dec 1998 01:22:16 -0700 It's back up. Thanks for your patience. -- Mike ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, December 13, 1998 12:37 AM >Well, > >Soon after I told you all about the new web page location, the web server >there went down. Give me a little while to try to get it back up. > >-- Mike > > > >- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: Re: BB: Doubtful origins Date: 13 Dec 1998 11:07:58 EST Tom: I guess I missed something after I left, or the conversation at your table. It seems to me from the grandfathering clause agreed to at the last meeting, that Vic Kennedy or any other current member can still remain a member of the Beehive Beemers for as long as they continue to pay their yearly dues. I will take the responsibility for suggesting that we needed to look at changing the bylaws in a meeting last spring. I had heard from several members of their displeasure with certain trends that seemed to me happening to the club and meetings. The intent was never directed towards individuals, it was a philosophic determination. The Park City Motorcycle club allows and is structured toward all types and brands of Motorcycles and that is great. We could have done the same thing, but there are already Motorcycle clubs in Salt Lake for all brands. Crit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: Re: BB: Doubtful origins Date: 13 Dec 1998 11:31:09 -0700 Crit, Some of the people who are feeling hurt, though I think the "grandfathering clause" would negate this, are specifically saying that I am the one responsible for all the by-law changes being started. I have a mixed feelings about it. I would like to be in a BMW club and want to share friendships, comraderie and rides. At the same time I worried about hurting the feelings of current members. IMHO, the club handled the situation well, The concerns you and others expressed are successfully addressed and the current, and hopefully continuing members (w/o regard to bike brand) are welcomed and protected by the "grandfather clause". Though it sometimes can be uncomfortable to arrive at the outcome when negotiating openly. The process can be more painful than the results. As far as Park City M/C Club, I was an immediate sign-up at Ted's shop the day before it became public knowledge. In fact, I remember, and could be wrong, that Ted and I were the first and second checks for membership fees. Two different clubs, two different focuses (at least for me), both enjoyable and fun. What really upset me was that a few were trying to indicate displeasure with the goings on about the By-laws and trying to make me the focal point of their frustration by indicating to others that I was instigator of the by-law changes. I don't like witch hunts especially, when strongly, I'm to be the witch. If they felt so strongly did they vote to stop the changes. I mean only 19 ballots were received out of 160 mailed out and about 50 more available at the voting breakfast held at Golden Corral in Layton. 10 votes the other way would have reversed the outcome. Crit, I know others had misgivings about the direction they perceived the club was heading. You discussed it with me. This is fine. This is how clubs should operate, open dialogue between members. We should be able to have open discussion about club business without others trying to start a witch hunt, especially when there is not a "witch". I'm just concerned that others who are "hurt" by the outcome, though I don't think they have a justifiable reason to be so because of the "grandfathering clause", are trying to make me the object of scorn. This group is a small minority. I'm not suitable to be a club officer as I don't like the "heat". I would rather work behind the scene and let others take the podium. I enjoy creating and publishing the "Stinger". I thought being editor was a way to help and stay behind the scene. I will continue to do so, at least for the 1999 year. Soap box off (again) Are you going to Death Valley in January? My attendance is in doubt as my oldest has a scout campout the same weekend. He's only twelve with his "Life" rank and already to shot for his "Eagle" rank in scouts. He plans on having earned it by his 13th birthday, Aug. 99. Yep, prideful boastng of a proud father. My attendance may be required there. Time will tell. I need a lead article from someone for January. I'm planning to use the xmas dinner photos, if I get them in time. We now have two, investigating a third, paying advertisers to put small ads in "The Stinger" to help defray cost. If we get all three it will cover about 10% of the annual cost. It's the same monetarily as signing up 12 new memberships without the associated cost of the memberships. The dinner was good and the party was fine. You looke all prim and proper with the dress shirt and tie on. Thanks for listening, Tom -----Original Message----- >Tom: I guess I missed something after I left, or the conversation at your >table. It seems to me from the grandfathering clause agreed to at the last >meeting, that Vic Kennedy or any other current member can still remain a >member of the Beehive Beemers for as long as they continue to pay their yearly >dues. > >I will take the responsibility for suggesting that we needed to look at >changing the bylaws in a meeting last spring. I had heard from several members >of their displeasure with certain trends that seemed to me happening to the >club and meetings. The intent was never directed towards individuals, it was a >philosophic determination. The Park City Motorcycle club allows and is >structured toward all types and brands of Motorcycles and that is great. We >could have done the same thing, but there are already Motorcycle clubs in Salt >Lake for all brands. > >Crit > >- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Wallace Subject: Re: BB: Doubtful origins Date: 13 Dec 1998 14:48:04 -0700 Tom: Now I know why you didn't appear to be enjoying yourself at the dinner. Thanks for the insight. I for one always assumed that it was a number of club members that wanted clarification and/or changes to the club's bylaws and that it was not driven by a single individual at anytime. A few questions to anyone who knows: Are associate memberships included in the total club membership numbers as reported to the National Orginization? Are new members required to present title or registration as proof of ownership or are borrowed machines acceptable? What percentage of total members must be BMW owners to maintain our National affiliation? Are spouses automatically members or do they need to purchase their own membership? I'm not trying to make waves, but I am curious. Gavin Wallace '96 R1100RTL At 10:03 PM 12/12/98 -0700, you wrote: >To all Beehive Beemers, > >Be it known to all club members that contrary to some conversations held at >today's dinner I am NOT the originator of the request for the Club Bylaw >changes. I spoke up, voluntarily, once. It was during the first meeting >where this subject was discussed. > >I have a standing invitation to Vic Kennedy, doesn't even have a bike >currently, (he's just a real nice fellow and hopefully a friend) to come to >any and all club activities as my allowed guest. I don't, personally, care >what anyone rides, drives or flys. I'm only interested in friendships and >comraderie. That is why I put in time as a club volunteer. > >If any of you want to bring guest and run into the one per member rule you >may say they are my guest. I've not met anyone I dislike or would not >associate with at a Beehive Beemer function. > >Please don't start a rumor, 'cause it would be untrue, that Tom Deaver is >the one or even one of the individuals behind the by-law changes. these are >the club by-laws now and I will live and support them as a club member >should, my opinion. Just as I would have complied with and support the >By-laws if they had not been changed. Come and be civil and leave the >gossip to those who need it to . . . . . . > >Personally, I dislike having anyone's feelings injured, period. I see >enough of that in a week through my employment to last most a lifetime. > >Soap box off, >Respectfully, >Tom Deaver > > > >- > > Gavin Wallace Blue '96 R1100RTL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Wallace Subject: Re: BB: Re: I screwed up the server. Date: 13 Dec 1998 14:50:56 -0700 Thank you, Mike. Gavin Wallace '96 R1100RTL At 01:22 AM 12/13/98 -0700, you wrote: >It's back up. Thanks for your patience. > >-- Mike > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Michael Clark >To: >Sent: Sunday, December 13, 1998 12:37 AM >Subject: BB: I screwed up the server. > > >>Well, >> >>Soon after I told you all about the new web page location, the web server >>there went down. Give me a little while to try to get it back up. >> >>-- Mike >> >> >> >>- >> > > >- > > Gavin Wallace Blue '96 R1100RTL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: Re: BB: Doubtful origins Date: 13 Dec 1998 16:59:30 EST Tom: Anytime I am hear to listen to you or anyone. Tell anyone you talk to, that I am the person responsible for the by-law changes for I am the one, based on several months of conversation with others, who brought it up at the meeting. Yes I am planning on Death valley in January. Do you know the exact date yet? Crit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: Re: BB: Doubtful origins Date: 13 Dec 1998 15:25:49 -0700 >A few questions to anyone who knows: >Are associate memberships included in the total club membership numbers as >reported to the National Orginization? I don't know. I don't report to the national organization. Others more knowledgable will have to answer. Why does it matter? I thought we are here to ride bmw m/cs. >Are new members required to present title or registration as proof of >ownership or are borrowed machines acceptable? I have never seen anyone ask for proof of ownership other than showing up on a BMW m/c. I guess someone could attempt a scharade if they wanted. For club policy if one exist will have to be put forth by others more knowledgable and with the authority to indicate club policy. Editor does not create, dictate or decide club policy. Editor puts the club newsletter together. And basically does as the 4 other club officers need him to do inregard to the club newsletter. Being editor gives no more rights in regard to club policy than just being an ordinary member like everyone else. Why does it matter? I thought we are here to ride BMW m/cs. >What percentage of total members must be BMW owners to maintain our >National affiliation? I don't know. I don't report to the national affiliation. Others more knowledgable will have to answer. Why does it matter? >Are spouses automatically members or do they need to purchase their own >membership? I always thought spouses, or S.O.'s for todays standards, were listed as a convenienceand at the discretion of the club member. We do have club members who have not listed a spouse or S.O. even though one exist. As for club policy others more knowledgable will have to answer. Looking at the roster we have both female members with male spouses listed and male members with female spouses listed. Why does it matter? I thought we are here to ride BMW m/cs. And more power to you if you have a spouse who will share the activity with you. >I'm not trying to make waves, but I am curious. >Gavin Wallace >'96 R1100RTL Tom - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: Re: BB: Doubtful origins Date: 13 Dec 1998 15:32:17 -0700 Crit, DVD IV is Jan 15 through that Monday, Civil Right Holiday. >Yes I am planning on Death valley in January. Do you know the exact date yet? >Crit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: BB: the Dec. Stinger Stomp Date: 13 Dec 1998 15:42:11 -0700 To all, The December Stinger Stomp is planned for Wednesday, Dec. 30,1998 at 7:00 p.m. at my house. Free staples, tape and self-adhesive stamps provided. BYOBS (Bring Your Own Beemer Stories) and lies. a-a-hem. I mean exaggerations. The first 4 respondents will gladly be tortured at the above time. Directions to address provided if requested. Editor Tom - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: BB: On the subject of domain names. Date: 13 Dec 1998 17:11:53 -0700 Folks, In the old days, as we were blitzing across the US, staking claims and building railroads, many forward thinking people decided to stake out claims in the wilderness, convinced that some day, the land would be of value to others. In many cases, these folks became very wealthy playing the speculative real-estate game. The internet is a vast wilderness, waiting to be overrun by hordes of hungry settlers. As the net grows, net addresses are becoming scare. These are the domain names associated with a given organization. For example among the domains that I own, and use is aspengrove.com. Others that I own, but don't currently use is discover-science.org. I have plans for this address in the not-too-distant future, but at the this time, it's staked out and mine, though idle. Another interesting Internet phenomenon is the use of internet names that have similar prefixes, but different suffixes, to show content on a web site that is completely different to the more popular alternative. For example, if you start your web browser and type http://www.nasa.gov, you will go to the NASA web site. There you can get the latest news from the National Aeronautic and Space Administration. However, if you by habit type http://www.nasa.com (notice the end is .com and not .gov), until very recently you ended up at a XXX adult site. This, needless to say miffed NASA, who, through a Federal court ruling, put the kibosh on the porn site's use of the domain. Where is this all going? Well, I'd like to propose that we stake out beehive-beemers.org and beehive-beemers.com. I will personally pay for the registrations, which are minimal in cost. The initial payment secures the use of the domains for 2 years, which should give us plenty of time to decide if we want to keep them. Why would we want to do this? For example, the club's web site could be found at http://www.beehive-beemers.org. As I have a tendency of bouncing the web site around from machine to machine, telling everyone on the mailing list the new URL each time, all I'd have to do is update the name server at my ISP to reflect the new machine's address. The change would take place transparently. No need for you to change your bookmarks. It could also stay fixed as one address on the Masthead of the Stinger. While the above is useful, the real reason I want to do this is to stake out the name before someone else takes it. That way, we can decide at our leisure what we want to do, or if we want to do anything at all. Comments? -- Mike P.S. Tom, and anyone else who cares, please take note of my new mailing address: mjc@aspengrove.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Doubtful origins Date: 13 Dec 1998 18:15:21 -0700 On 13 Dec 98, at 11:07, Swan555@aol.com wrote: > Tom: I guess I missed something after I left, or the conversation at your > table. It seems to me from the grandfathering clause agreed to at the last > meeting, that Vic Kennedy or any other current member can still remain a > member of the Beehive Beemers for as long as they continue to pay their > yearly dues. Crit, et al: I sat at the table with Vic and Tom, all three of our spouses were there and we had a great time. No discussion came up about membership, etc-- we were there to enjoy the food and company. If someone jumped Tom it had to happen after the party or away from the table. My interpretation of the bylaws changes matches yours; Vic and others are grandfathered in. Furthermore, I suspect that any of our current non-BMW owning affiliates will have no problem finding someone to sponsor them as a guest at any club function they desire to attend. NONE of the bylaws changes were ever directed at any person or persons in particular, these changes were made a lot of other reasons but never to exclude a *person.* > > I will take the responsibility for suggesting that we needed to look at > changing the bylaws in a meeting last spring. I had heard from several > members of their displeasure with certain trends that seemed to me > happening to the club and meetings. The intent was never directed towards > individuals, it was a philosophic determination. The Park City Motorcycle > club allows and is structured toward all types and brands of Motorcycles > and that is great. We could have done the same thing, but there are > already Motorcycle clubs in Salt Lake for all brands. > > Crit Well said, and it pretty well sums up the reasons behind the changes. Organizations of any type--be they clubs, fraternities, governments, religions, or what have you--function within a structure that is part formal and codified, and part unwritten tradition that is handed down. And, in general, that element of tradition is a good thing--it lends continuity, stability and more to an organization and its purposes. When tradition is devalued or disregarded by those who have not been steeped within it, then it's perfectly understandable for an organization to take the step of codifying those elements of tradition that are in danger of being lost. That's essentially what has happened here. As one who stood with you and backed the changes I hope that anyone who considers those changes a personal attack will step back and take a look at the situation from the perspective of those who have seen and participated in the development of the BB traditions from the beginning. DeVern - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: Re: BB: Doubtful origins Date: 13 Dec 1998 19:34:11 -0700 DeVern, Well said! Yes, all at our table have always been and continue to be perfect ladies and gentlemen. The comments were made else where at the dinner. I would be honored to share a bike, a ride, can of gas, even a tent with any of them, though I do advise ear plugs. I would probably have more fun sharing the tent with Anne, my wife, than w/ Big D or Vic. DeVern, you have the gift to bring everything clearly into focus and to a calm rational conclusion. I appreciate this. To all other: lets get back to riding and teasing each other, especially Bobster! Thank you for your support and I hope to make "The Stinger" even better, not costlier, this year. Tom the "Deav" PS: What do you all think about Mike "the Clark Kent" idea about our own club web domain, or whatever they call it? Let's hear it. -----Original Message----- On 13 Dec 98, at 11:07, Swan555@aol.com wrote: > Tom: I guess I missed something after I left, or the conversation at your > table. It seems to me from the grandfathering clause agreed to at the last > meeting, that Vic Kennedy or any other current member can still remain a > member of the Beehive Beemers for as long as they continue to pay their > yearly dues. Crit, et al: I sat at the table with Vic and Tom, all three of our spouses were there and we had a great time. No discussion came up about membership, etc-- we were there to enjoy the food and company. If someone jumped Tom it had to happen after the party or away from the table. My interpretation of the bylaws changes matches yours; Vic and others are grandfathered in. Furthermore, I suspect that any of our current non-BMW owning affiliates will have no problem finding someone to sponsor them as a guest at any club function they desire to attend. NONE of the bylaws changes were ever directed at any person or persons in particular, these changes were made a lot of other reasons but never to exclude a *person.* > > I will take the responsibility for suggesting that we needed to look at > changing the bylaws in a meeting last spring. I had heard from several > members of their displeasure with certain trends that seemed to me > happening to the club and meetings. The intent was never directed towards > individuals, it was a philosophic determination. The Park City Motorcycle > club allows and is structured toward all types and brands of Motorcycles > and that is great. We could have done the same thing, but there are > already Motorcycle clubs in Salt Lake for all brands. > > Crit Well said, and it pretty well sums up the reasons behind the changes. Organizations of any type--be they clubs, fraternities, governments, religions, or what have you--function within a structure that is part formal and codified, and part unwritten tradition that is handed down. And, in general, that element of tradition is a good thing--it lends continuity, stability and more to an organization and its purposes. When tradition is devalued or disregarded by those who have not been steeped within it, then it's perfectly understandable for an organization to take the step of codifying those elements of tradition that are in danger of being lost. That's essentially what has happened here. As one who stood with you and backed the changes I hope that anyone who considers those changes a personal attack will step back and take a look at the situation from the perspective of those who have seen and participated in the development of the BB traditions from the beginning. DeVern - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: Re: BB: On the subject of domain names. Date: 13 Dec 1998 21:26:41 EST Mike: Great Idea, but I think the club should pay the cost of registering the site. If the cost is more than the club wants to bear, than I would be willing to pitch in for the registration fee. We are after all a duly domiciled non- profit corporation and should make use of that etc. Crit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: Re: BB: Doubtful origins Date: 13 Dec 1998 21:30:05 EST Well said DeVern. Crit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: Re: BB: On the subject of domain names. Date: 13 Dec 1998 19:44:01 -0700 Crit and Mike, If club will not contribute, we've not heard from Pres. yet, I'll kick in. Tom Deav -----Original Message----- >Mike: Great Idea, but I think the club should pay the cost of registering the >site. If the cost is more than the club wants to bear, than I would be willing >to pitch in for the registration fee. We are after all a duly domiciled non- >profit corporation and should make use of that etc. >Crit > >- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: BB: On the subject of domain names. Date: 13 Dec 1998 19:29:58 -0700 The cost of registering a domain is $70. This gives you rights to the domain for 2 years. -- Mike Swan555@aol.com wrote: > > Mike: Great Idea, but I think the club should pay the cost of registering the > site. If the cost is more than the club wants to bear, than I would be willing > to pitch in for the registration fee. We are after all a duly domiciled non- > profit corporation and should make use of that etc. > Crit > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeb Berg Subject: Re: BB: the Dec. Stinger Stomp Date: 13 Dec 1998 19:56:20 -0700 Tom, Can't make it. My brother and his family are visiting from Christmas day until new years. Jeb At 03:42 PM 12/13/98 -0700, you wrote: >To all, > >The December Stinger Stomp is planned for Wednesday, Dec. 30,1998 at 7:00 >p.m. at my house. > >Free staples, tape and self-adhesive stamps provided. BYOBS (Bring Your >Own Beemer Stories) and lies. a-a-hem. I mean exaggerations. > >The first 4 respondents will gladly be tortured at the above time. >Directions to address provided if requested. > >Editor Tom > > >- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeb Berg Subject: Re: BB: On the subject of domain names. Date: 13 Dec 1998 20:03:46 -0700 Mike, Crit and Tom, Count me in too! Jeb At 07:44 PM 12/13/98 -0700, you wrote: >Crit and Mike, > >If club will not contribute, we've not heard from Pres. yet, I'll kick in. > >Tom Deav > >-----Original Message----- >From: Swan555@aol.com >To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com >Date: Sunday, December 13, 1998 7:28 PM >Subject: Re: BB: On the subject of domain names. > > >>Mike: Great Idea, but I think the club should pay the cost of registering >the >>site. If the cost is more than the club wants to bear, than I would be >willing >>to pitch in for the registration fee. We are after all a duly domiciled >non- >>profit corporation and should make use of that etc. >>Crit >> >>- >> >> > > >- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: k1thane@juno.com (Thane M Beckstrand) Subject: Re: BB: On the subject of domain names. Date: 13 Dec 1998 21:45:57 -0700 Mike... Your suggestion sounds prudent. I'l like to follow up on it. Can you call me at the shop tomorow? Regards, Thane ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: BB: On the subject of domain names. Date: 14 Dec 1998 01:35:25 -0700 Another benefit of having a domain set up, is you can have e-mail addresses like president@beehive-beemers.org. This would be forwarded to your personal e-mail account. This address could change as the officers are elected. It would also give a level of anonymity to folks who felt more comfortable with such things. We could set up a general forwarding service for members, so you could have your own beehive-beemers e-mail account if you're a member of the club! This sounds cool. We should really do it. (My professional opinion, of course. :-)) -- Mike - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kim Bene" Subject: Re: BB: On the subject of domain names. Date: 14 Dec 1998 08:55:11 -0700 Sounds like a good idea to me. Planning for the future? Hmmm. =20 >>> Michael Clark 12/13 5:11 PM >>> Folks, In the old days, as we were blitzing across the US, staking claims and building railroads, many forward thinking people decided to stake out claims in the wilderness, convinced that some day, the land would be of value to others. In many cases, these folks became very wealthy playing the speculative real-estate game. The internet is a vast wilderness, waiting to be overrun by hordes of hungry settlers. As the net grows, net addresses are becoming scare. These are the domain names associated with a given organization. For example among the domains that I own, and use is aspengrove.com. Others that I own, but don't currently use is discover-science.org. I have plans for this address in the not-too-distant future, but at the this time, it's staked out and mine, though idle. Another interesting Internet phenomenon is the use of internet names that have similar prefixes, but different suffixes, to show content on a web site that is completely different to the more popular alternative. For example, if you start your web browser and type http://www.nasa.gov, you will go to the NASA web site. There you can get the latest news from the National Aeronautic and Space Administration. However, if you by habit type http://www.nasa.com (notice the end is .com and not .gov), until very recently you ended up at a XXX adult site. This, needless to say miffed NASA, who, through a Federal court ruling, put the kibosh on the porn site's use of the domain. Where is this all going? Well, I'd like to propose that we stake out beehive-beemers.org and beehive-beemers.com. I will personally pay for the registrations, which are minimal in cost. The initial payment secures the use of the domains for 2 years, which should give us plenty of time to decide if we want to keep them. Why would we want to do this? For example, the club's web site could be found at http://www.beehive-beemers.org. As I have a tendency of bouncing the web site around from machine to machine, telling everyone on the mailing list the new URL each time, all I'd have to do is update the name server at my ISP to reflect the new machine's address. The change would take place transparently. No need for you to change your bookmarks. It could also stay fixed as one address on the Masthead of the Stinger. While the above is useful, the real reason I want to do this is to stake out the name before someone else takes it. That way, we can decide at our leisure what we want to do, or if we want to do anything at all. Comments? -- Mike P.S. Tom, and anyone else who cares, please take note of my new mailing address: mjc@aspengrove.com=20 - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: BB: It's ours. Date: 14 Dec 1998 17:32:46 -0700 The domain beehive-beemers.org is now ours. I'll see what I can do with it this week. I can probably get the web page URL set to http://www.beehive-beemers.org. -- Mike - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jtstokes@mail.sisna.com Subject: Re: BB: the Dec. Stinger Stomp Date: 14 Dec 1998 19:24:26 -0800 Tom: I am avaliable and would love to come over and help. Jeff Stokes 88 R100RT - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: BB: Web Server Oddities Date: 14 Dec 1998 19:20:46 -0700 The web server is acting odd. At this time, to get to the web page, you have to indclude the name of the default file. So, for the time being, the URL to the web site is http://www.aspengrove.com/beehive/index.html Sorry about this. I know what's wrong, just not sure how to fix it. -- Mike - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: BB: Web Server Oddities Date: 14 Dec 1998 19:38:57 -0700 Well, he he. That took a lot let time than I thought. The web server seems to be working properly now. -- Mike Michael Clark wrote: > > The web server is acting odd. At this time, to get to the web page, you > have to indclude the name of the default file. So, for the time being, > the URL to the web site is http://www.aspengrove.com/beehive/index.html > > Sorry about this. I know what's wrong, just not sure how to fix it. > > -- Mike > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: Re: BB: Web Server Oddities Date: 14 Dec 1998 21:43:23 EST Michael: I just changed my favorite places internet address to reflect your prior change. Shows what doing things too quickly can do for and to you. Crit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: BB: Guess who??? Date: 14 Dec 1998 20:29:37 -0700 Ok, time for a quick quiz. Guess which staunch Ducati-Defending Beehive Beemer member has a Duc for sale on the web??? Check the classifieds under "Butt Floss, Red." Guess he ran out of Vivaldi CD's for the ol' tankbag stereo... Or maybe needed money for his chiropractor bills.... :^) :^) DeVern - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: BB: [Fwd: BOUNCE beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com: Non-member Date: 14 Dec 1998 20:29:20 -0700 Bob, Check out http://www.aspengrove.com/beehive/links.html -- Mike owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com wrote: > > >From rdmabey@sisna.com Mon Dec 14 20:25:46 1998 > Received: from [198.60.22.22] (helo=mail.xmission.com) > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) > id 0zpl7K-0003DS-00 > for beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:25:46 -0700 > Received: from [209.210.190.4] (helo=mail.sisna.com) > by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) > id 0zpl7J-0000Vr-00 > for beehive-beemers@xmission.com; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:25:45 -0700 > Received: from sisna.com [209.210.179.206] by mail.sisna.com with ESMTP > (SMTPD32-4.06) id A663B0F0054; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:24:19 MST > Message-ID: <3675D708.57B6700D@sisna.com> > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:27:04 -0700 > From: "Robert D. Mabey" > Reply-To: rdmabey@sisna.com > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: beehive-beemers@xmission.com > Subject: Park City > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Louwane tells me that there's a page for the races next fall, but her > guess for the address must be wrong. Can anybody tell me what it is? > Are they going to do the superbikes too, or just vintage? > > Thanks, > > Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Wallace Subject: Re: BB: Doubtful origins Date: 14 Dec 1998 21:08:57 -0700 Sorry. I was just curious and was puting the questions out to "anyone who knows". They were not directed at you, Tom, but to the members at large. I'm actually just here to ride BMW m/c's..... Gavin Wallace '96 R1100RTL At 03:25 PM 12/13/98 -0700, you wrote: >>A few questions to anyone who knows: > >>Are associate memberships included in the total club membership numbers as >>reported to the National Orginization? > > >I don't know. I don't report to the national organization. Others more >knowledgable will have to answer. > >Why does it matter? I thought we are here to ride bmw m/cs. > >>Are new members required to present title or registration as proof of >>ownership or are borrowed machines acceptable? > > >I have never seen anyone ask for proof of ownership other than showing up on >a BMW m/c. I guess someone could attempt a scharade if they wanted. For >club policy if one exist will have to be put forth by others more >knowledgable and with the authority to indicate club policy. Editor does >not create, dictate or decide club policy. Editor puts the club newsletter >together. And basically does as the 4 other club officers need him to do >inregard to the club newsletter. Being editor gives no more rights in >regard to club policy than just being an ordinary member like everyone else. > >Why does it matter? I thought we are here to ride BMW m/cs. > >>What percentage of total members must be BMW owners to maintain our >>National affiliation? > > >I don't know. I don't report to the national affiliation. Others more >knowledgable will have to answer. > >Why does it matter? > >>Are spouses automatically members or do they need to purchase their own >>membership? > > >I always thought spouses, or S.O.'s for todays standards, were listed as a >convenienceand at the discretion of the club member. We do have club members >who have not listed a spouse or S.O. even though one exist. As for club >policy others more knowledgable will have to answer. Looking at the roster >we have both female members with male spouses listed and male members with >female spouses listed. > > >Why does it matter? I thought we are here to ride BMW m/cs. And more power >to you if you have a spouse who will share the activity with you. > >>I'm not trying to make waves, but I am curious. > >>Gavin Wallace >>'96 R1100RTL > > >Tom > > >- > > Gavin Wallace Blue '96 R1100RTL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: Re: BB: Guess who??? Date: 14 Dec 1998 23:10:54 EST DeVern: Ed Rosco has more than one Duc. I think the Duc is for sale because a 996 has been located and ordered. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Guess who??? Date: 14 Dec 1998 21:28:13 -0700 Nice guess, but NO CIGAR! Ed Rosco is not the man of the hour for this hour. Re-read the original post for a major clue! No winners yet, let's keep those cards and letters coming..... :^) :^) DeVern, who had no idea that Ed might be selling a Duc... On 14 Dec 98, at 23:10, Swan555@aol.com wrote: > DeVern: Ed Rosco has more than one Duc. > I think the Duc is for sale because a 996 has been located and ordered. > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: Re: BB: Guess who??? Date: 14 Dec 1998 23:35:18 EST DeVern: It could be that Bob buy's and sell Duc's before they need to have the chain lubed, or he is building up the Ultimate Duc. Crit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AnthSokol@aol.com Subject: BB: Stinger Stomp Date: 15 Dec 1998 06:18:02 EST Tom, If you are still looking for folks my wife and I would love to come over and help. Tony Sokolowski - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: Re: BB: the Dec. Stinger Stomp Date: 15 Dec 1998 05:55:29 -0700 Jeff, Glad to have you join us. 7 p.m. 12-30-98 same place. Tom -----Original Message----- Tom: I am avaliable and would love to come over and help. Jeff Stokes 88 R100RT - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: BB: Re: Stinger Stomp Date: 15 Dec 1998 06:11:32 -0700 Tony I already have 4 volunteers for the Dec. Stinger Stomp. Any more and it just doesn't shorten the work time significantly. How about being first on the list for the Jan Stinger Stomp? It too will be about the end of the month. Thanks for willingly volunteering. Kindest Regards, Tom -----Original Message----- >Tom, > > If you are still looking for folks my wife and I would love to come over and >help. > > Tony Sokolowski > >- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AnthSokol@aol.com Subject: BB: (no subject) Date: 15 Dec 1998 18:26:11 EST Tom, Count Kim and myself in for January. Just let us know what day. Happy Holidays Tony & Kim Sokolowski - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: BB: Re: (no subject) Date: 15 Dec 1998 20:34:41 -0700 Tony & Kim Thank you for so willingly volunteering for Jan's Stinger Stomp. I'll keep you posted as to the date. Tom Deaver -----Original Message----- >Tom, > Count Kim and myself in for January. Just let us know what day. > > Happy Holidays > Tony & Kim Sokolowski > >- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: BB: Web Related Stuff Date: 16 Dec 1998 01:11:24 -0700 Club Members, Amazon.com, the big online bookseller, has a referral program. It allows web sites to recommend books, or other merchandise sold by amazon.com. The person reading the review can click on a link that takes them to an order page for amazon.com. If they choose to order the book from amazon, the referring agency (the club) gets a commission (between 5% and 15%) on the sale. We could recommend various motorcycle books, and anyone who follows our links to get to amazon.com helps the club. Check out http://www.amazon.com/associates for details. -- Comments? (P.S. I'm implementing this program for my foundation too). BTW, if you haven't been to the web site lately, the "Interesting Links" page is much bigger. Additionally, I've been working on (and will complete by the end of the weekend) and way for you to add new links to the site. Also, the domain beehive-beemers.org has been registered. The web site URL should (permanently) change to http://www.beehive-beemers.org before the end of the week (I'll let you know). I'm going to add the beehive-beemers.org domain to my mail server. I'll add the following addresses and forward them to the appropriate members: (append @beehive-beemers.org to all addresses) webmaster yours truly president Dave Chapman (moves to Thane in Jan.) vice-president Dave Barber (moves to Jeb in Jan.) secretary Bob Jensen (does Linda have and e-mail address Bob?) treasurer Anne Larson editor Tom Deaver officers president, vp, secretary, treasurer, editor all officers and anyone else who'd like to be on the list. ads editor Comments? -- Mike (who's having a great time learning JavaScript by spiffing up the beehive beemer page.) BTW, the links page is dynamically generated from a databae (this is why you'll be able to add to it in the future.) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: Re: BB: Web Related Stuff Date: 16 Dec 1998 21:08:23 EST Michael: Excellent Idea. I buy over $100.00 dollars worth of books a month and have been buying them exculusively through Amazon. They really do deliver. If there was some way for the club to benefit from that, I would be all for it. Congratulations on the web site changes etc. Crit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: BB: [Fwd: BOUNCE beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from ["Robert D. Mabey" ]] Date: 16 Dec 1998 21:31:35 -0500 No Super bikes Bob,but there will be some super bikes there.I know you ha= ve found the webb address so i wont bother giving that,but the big twins will be racing. Regards Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas W. Kullen" Subject: BB: Re: Park City Motorcycle Week Date: 17 Dec 1998 10:40:24 -0700 Dave Klar wrote: > > Tom, > > I am looking for information about the Park City Motorcycle Week. > Do we have any type of accommodation packages we could offer guests? > > The ones Steamboat had were great. Everything the visitor needed. > Tickets to events, room reservations, t -shirts, posters "the whole > enchilada". > > If you have any information about this or a contact for the information, it > would be greatly appreciated. > My father and I have started to invite people nation wide to the event and > they are asking for this type of package.. > > Also if you need graphic design for the Park City Motorcycle Week I have > many connections in the SLC area. > I would be happy to get some bids for you..... > > Thank You, > > Dave Klar > Web Designer > Vyzynz International, Inc. > 801.596.7795 x105 Dave, The web site will be expanding quite rapidly in the next couple of weeks-if you want to get a jump on reservations, call Rob Slettom at Identity Properties-he is a PCMC member and is president of the local lodging coummunity (he bought Jackie Young's R1100RT and has an R69S). His phone number is 800.245.6417. Also the Yarrow Hotel (435.649.7000) will be race headquarters with the vender area set up around the hotel and most of the AHRMA people will be staying there. I'm not sure what packages have been negotiated yet with any of the condo owners or hotels, but Rob would be the person to get you that info or the names of other condo mangement companies. Surprisingly, I've talked with several people that have already booked rooms at the Yarrow asking for a street "view"-I bet that's a request that they don't get every day! I'm not sure of the names of the condo's, but there are a couple right on Empire Avenue across from Cole Sport that are right on the road course where there is a high speed "S" and 90 degree left turn on to HYWY 224. Another lodging source would be the PC Chamber Bureau at 435.649.6100. Be sure to tell them it is for Park City Motorcycle Week. Cheers, Tom Kullen - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas W. Kullen" Subject: Re: BB: Re: Park City Motorcycle Week Date: 17 Dec 1998 12:28:04 -0700 Dave, I also forgot to mention the Radisson Inn which is jusy down the street from my house and on 224. The number is 435.649.5000. I just got off the phone with Jim Colburn PCMW manager and meetings are being held this afternoon with the Yarrow and the Radisson on pricing/packages etc. so their reservation dept. may not be up tp speed quite yet. I was also told that Rob Slettom is working on a lodging link site for the PCMC website so that you will actually be able to do price comparison on line for the different hotels and condos. Cheers, Tom - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas W. Kullen" Subject: Re: BB: Re: Park City Motorcycle Week Date: 17 Dec 1998 12:28:04 -0700 Dave, I also forgot to mention the Radisson Inn which is jusy down the street from my house and on 224. The number is 435.649.5000. I just got off the phone with Jim Colburn PCMW manager and meetings are being held this afternoon with the Yarrow and the Radisson on pricing/packages etc. so their reservation dept. may not be up tp speed quite yet. I was also told that Rob Slettom is working on a lodging link site for the PCMC website so that you will actually be able to do price comparison on line for the different hotels and condos. Cheers, Tom - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas W. Kullen" Subject: Re: BB: Re: Park City Motorcycle Week Date: 17 Dec 1998 12:28:04 -0700 Dave, I also forgot to mention the Radisson Inn which is jusy down the street from my house and on 224. The number is 435.649.5000. I just got off the phone with Jim Colburn PCMW manager and meetings are being held this afternoon with the Yarrow and the Radisson on pricing/packages etc. so their reservation dept. may not be up tp speed quite yet. I was also told that Rob Slettom is working on a lodging link site for the PCMC website so that you will actually be able to do price comparison on line for the different hotels and condos. Cheers, Tom - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas W. Kullen" Subject: Re: BB: Re: Park City Motorcycle Week Date: 17 Dec 1998 12:28:04 -0700 Dave, I also forgot to mention the Radisson Inn which is jusy down the street from my house and on 224. The number is 435.649.5000. I just got off the phone with Jim Colburn PCMW manager and meetings are being held this afternoon with the Yarrow and the Radisson on pricing/packages etc. so their reservation dept. may not be up tp speed quite yet. I was also told that Rob Slettom is working on a lodging link site for the PCMC website so that you will actually be able to do price comparison on line for the different hotels and condos. Cheers, Tom - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: BB: autocom systems Date: 17 Dec 1998 17:52:43 -0700 Have any of you tried the new demonstrator for Autocom Intercom Systems at Ted's shop? It seems nicer than the J & M intercom system I have installed on my KLT. Tom - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: BB: Guess who??? Date: 17 Dec 1998 21:59:31 -0500 Relax Big d.......The only time you need be concerned is when i sell the Beamer (Never). Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: BB: Re: Guess who??? Date: 17 Dec 1998 21:00:39 -0700 -----Original Message----- >Relax Big d.......The only time you need be concerned is when i sell the >Beamer (Never). "Beemer". The other is probably more closely related to "Jim". You've been around the Duc too long. >Bob Deav - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: BB: Re: Guess who??? Date: 18 Dec 1998 00:11:33 -0500 I knew that! Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Wallace Subject: BB: BEEMER Date: 18 Dec 1998 08:47:29 -0700 BEEMER.....I know we are cursed to live with the nick name for BMW machines for time and eternity, but am I the only one that cringes when the word is spoken? OK. This is my stop to get off the WAAAH bus now. Happy Holidays to all Beehive Beemers everywhere! Gavin Wallace '96 R1100RTL PS: When's the Spring Breakout? Gavin Wallace Blue '96 R1100RTL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 18 Dec 1998 09:01:50 -0700 I've become used to it. The word that really bugs ME is 'bimmer'. Bla. -- Mike Gavin Wallace wrote: > > BEEMER.....I know we are cursed to live with the nick name for BMW machines > for time and eternity, but am I the only one that cringes when the word is > spoken? OK. This is my stop to get off the WAAAH bus now. Happy Holidays > to all Beehive Beemers everywhere! > > Gavin Wallace > '96 R1100RTL > > PS: When's the Spring Breakout? > Gavin Wallace > Blue '96 R1100RTL > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: BB: Update Date: 18 Dec 1998 11:12:12 -0700 BBers, An update. 1. I'm having difficulty getting the web server to respond to the www.beehive-beemers.org address. This will likely take longer than I anticipated to resolve. Please be patient. 2. The mail addresses to beehive-beemers.org work! You can reach me at webmaster@beehive-beemers.org. Over the weekend, I'll find the officers e-mail addresses and set up the previously described forwards to them. I'll also add an address list@beehive-beemers, which will forward to this mailing list. -- Mike - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: BB: Test Date: 18 Dec 1998 11:14:56 -0700 Test - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hildebrand2@juno.com (Robert H Jensen) Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 18 Dec 1998 18:46:54 -0700 Some time this spring,Gavin Bob K1200rsl=My Viagra Ducati 916=Dante's inferno F650=My placebo On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:47:29 -0700 Gavin Wallace writes: >BEEMER.....I know we are cursed to live with the nick name for BMW >machines >for time and eternity, but am I the only one that cringes when the >word is >spoken? OK. This is my stop to get off the WAAAH bus now. Happy >Holidays >to all Beehive Beemers everywhere! > >Gavin Wallace >'96 R1100RTL > >PS: When's the Spring Breakout? >Gavin Wallace >Blue '96 R1100RTL > >- > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 18 Dec 1998 21:06:09 EST Gavin: It's usually the last weekend in April. The last weekend in April in 1999 if fairly early in the month, Friday the 23rd. and we may want to change the campout out to April 30th through May 2nd. It seems like a long time till then, but it goes by fairly quickly. Crit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 18 Dec 1998 19:26:31 -0700 A better question might be WHERE will spring breakout be..... DeVern On 18 Dec 98, at 21:06, Swan555@aol.com wrote: > Gavin: It's usually the last weekend in April. The last weekend in April > in 1999 if fairly early in the month, Friday the 23rd. and we may want to > change the campout out to April 30th through May 2nd. It seems like a long > time till then, but it goes by fairly quickly. Crit > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 18 Dec 1998 21:34:58 EST DeVern: I have my preferences for where to have Spring Breakout, but figure that the new President may want to bring it up for discussion at the January or February Meeting. Crit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hildebrand2@juno.com (Robert H Jensen) Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 18 Dec 1998 19:47:53 -0700 Some where in the south,.Like -St.George some where. Bob K1200rsl=My Viagra Ducati 916=Dante's inferno F650=My placebo On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:26:31 -0700 "DeVern Gerber" writes: >A better question might be WHERE will spring breakout be..... > >DeVern > > >On 18 Dec 98, at 21:06, Swan555@aol.com wrote: > >> Gavin: It's usually the last weekend in April. The last weekend in >April >> in 1999 if fairly early in the month, Friday the 23rd. and we may >want to >> change the campout out to April 30th through May 2nd. It seems like >a long >> time till then, but it goes by fairly quickly. Crit >> >> - >> >> > > > >- > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 18 Dec 1998 20:03:03 -0700 Why Bob, I'm surprised! Are you suggesting someplace that isn't within walking distance of an espresso cart??? DeVern On 18 Dec 98, at 19:47, Robert H Jensen wrote: > Some where in the south,.Like -St.George some where. > Bob > K1200rsl=My Viagra > Ducati 916=Dante's inferno > F650=My placebo > > On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:26:31 -0700 "DeVern Gerber" > writes: >A better question might be WHERE will spring breakout be..... > > >DeVern > > >On 18 Dec 98, at 21:06, Swan555@aol.com wrote: > >> Gavin: > It's usually the last weekend in April. The last weekend in >April >> in > 1999 if fairly early in the month, Friday the 23rd. and we may >want to >> > change the campout out to April 30th through May 2nd. It seems like >a > long >> time till then, but it goes by fairly quickly. Crit >> >> - >> >> > > > > >- > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 18 Dec 1998 23:26:07 EST DeVern: One can bring one's own Expresso Cart. Or have Fed Ex or UPS bring it in fresh daily. I am sure that one can buy either a solar powered coffee grinder, or an all in one grinder, perculator and latte machine. Try www.coffeeadnaseum.com for starters. Crit I like coffee, as long as its black - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hildebrand2@juno.com (Robert H Jensen) Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 19 Dec 1998 07:55:21 -0700 Bob K1200rsl=My Viagra Ducati 916=Dante's inferno F650=My placebo On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:26:07 EST Swan555@aol.com writes: >DeVern: One can bring one's own Expresso Cart. Or have Fed Ex or UPS >bring it >in fresh daily. I am sure that one can buy either a solar powered >coffee >grinder, or an all in one grinder, perculator and latte machine. Try >www.coffeeadnaseum.com for starters. >Crit > >I like coffee, as long as its black >Was that her name? >- > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Wallace Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 19 Dec 1998 08:37:58 -0700 I used up all my gripe tickets or I would jump in on that one also. Gavin At 09:01 AM 12/18/98 -0700, you wrote: >I've become used to it. The word that really bugs ME is 'bimmer'. Bla. > >-- Mike > >Gavin Wallace wrote: >> >> BEEMER.....I know we are cursed to live with the nick name for BMW machines >> for time and eternity, but am I the only one that cringes when the word is >> spoken? OK. This is my stop to get off the WAAAH bus now. Happy Holidays >> to all Beehive Beemers everywhere! >> >> Gavin Wallace >> '96 R1100RTL >> >> PS: When's the Spring Breakout? >> Gavin Wallace >> Blue '96 R1100RTL >> >> - > >- > > Gavin Wallace Blue '96 R1100RTL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Wallace Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 19 Dec 1998 08:41:40 -0700 Thanks, Bob. I always appreciate your deep insight and logic. GW At 06:46 PM 12/18/98 -0700, you wrote: >Some time this spring,Gavin >Bob >K1200rsl=My Viagra >Ducati 916=Dante's inferno >F650=My placebo > >On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:47:29 -0700 Gavin Wallace >writes: >>BEEMER.....I know we are cursed to live with the nick name for BMW >>machines >>for time and eternity, but am I the only one that cringes when the >>word is >>spoken? OK. This is my stop to get off the WAAAH bus now. Happy >>Holidays >>to all Beehive Beemers everywhere! >> >>Gavin Wallace >>'96 R1100RTL >> >>PS: When's the Spring Breakout? >>Gavin Wallace >>Blue '96 R1100RTL >> >>- >> >> > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >- > > Gavin Wallace Blue '96 R1100RTL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Wallace Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 19 Dec 1998 08:43:24 -0700 Not necessarily better, but also required information. :0 Gavin At 07:26 PM 12/18/98 -0700, you wrote: >A better question might be WHERE will spring breakout be..... > >DeVern > > >On 18 Dec 98, at 21:06, Swan555@aol.com wrote: > >> Gavin: It's usually the last weekend in April. The last weekend in April >> in 1999 if fairly early in the month, Friday the 23rd. and we may want to >> change the campout out to April 30th through May 2nd. It seems like a long >> time till then, but it goes by fairly quickly. Crit >> >> - >> >> > > > >- > > Gavin Wallace Blue '96 R1100RTL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Wallace Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 19 Dec 1998 08:45:10 -0700 Snow Canyon area, maybe? --Gav At 07:47 PM 12/18/98 -0700, you wrote: >Some where in the south,.Like -St.George some where. >Bob >K1200rsl=My Viagra >Ducati 916=Dante's inferno >F650=My placebo > >On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:26:31 -0700 "DeVern Gerber" >writes: >>A better question might be WHERE will spring breakout be..... >> >>DeVern >> >> >>On 18 Dec 98, at 21:06, Swan555@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Gavin: It's usually the last weekend in April. The last weekend in >>April >>> in 1999 if fairly early in the month, Friday the 23rd. and we may >>want to >>> change the campout out to April 30th through May 2nd. It seems like >>a long >>> time till then, but it goes by fairly quickly. Crit >>> >>> - >>> >>> >> >> >> >>- >> >> > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >- > > Gavin Wallace Blue '96 R1100RTL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Wallace Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 19 Dec 1998 08:47:44 -0700 Solar powered? I'm fairly certain that Bob's tank bag has a 2.5Kw generator, diesel powered, eh Bobster? Oh, that's right. It's just wired for one. --Gav At 11:26 PM 12/18/98 EST, you wrote: >DeVern: One can bring one's own Expresso Cart. Or have Fed Ex or UPS bring it >in fresh daily. I am sure that one can buy either a solar powered coffee >grinder, or an all in one grinder, perculator and latte machine. Try >www.coffeeadnaseum.com for starters. >Crit > >I like coffee, as long as its black > >- > > Gavin Wallace Blue '96 R1100RTL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas W. Kullen" Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 19 Dec 1998 09:36:23 -0700 Gavin Wallace wrote: > > Solar powered? I'm fairly certain that Bob's tank bag has a 2.5Kw > generator, diesel powered, eh Bobster? Oh, that's right. It's just wired > for one. > > --Gav > > At 11:26 PM 12/18/98 EST, you wrote: > >DeVern: One can bring one's own Expresso Cart. Or have Fed Ex or UPS bring it > >in fresh daily. I am sure that one can buy either a solar powered coffee > >grinder, or an all in one grinder, perculator and latte machine. Try > >www.coffeeadnaseum.com for starters. > >Crit > > > >I like coffee, as long as its black > - You may have to buy the new LT, I heard it comes with a fridge, ice maker, blender (for campsite margueritas), as well as optional espresso maker.You don't even have to wave to passing motorcyclists-just hit the automatic wave button and a gloved hand popps out of the fairing so you can keep one hand on the bars and the other holding your latte. Cheers, Tom - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: k1thane@juno.com (Thane M Beckstrand) Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 19 Dec 1998 10:23:22 -0700 Gavin... We will let you know when we get good and ready! Thane ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 19 Dec 1998 10:46:10 -0700 And don't forget the built-in CD changer so you can listen to "The Four Seasons" as you sit in your Kermit-lounger watching the sun rise over yon red rock ridge, meanwhilst sipping your double- esprsso latte' to chase away the last vestiges of last night's margueritas..... DeVern On 19 Dec 98, at 9:36, Thomas W. Kullen wrote: > Gavin Wallace wrote: > > > > Solar powered? I'm fairly certain that Bob's tank bag has a 2.5Kw > > generator, diesel powered, eh Bobster? Oh, that's right. It's just > > wired for one. > > > > --Gav > > > > At 11:26 PM 12/18/98 EST, you wrote: > > >DeVern: One can bring one's own Expresso Cart. Or have Fed Ex or UPS > > >bring it in fresh daily. I am sure that one can buy either a solar > > >powered coffee grinder, or an all in one grinder, perculator and latte > > >machine. Try www.coffeeadnaseum.com for starters. Crit > > > > > >I like coffee, as long as its black > > > - > > > You may have to buy the new LT, I heard it comes with a fridge, ice > maker, blender (for campsite margueritas), as well as optional espresso > maker.You don't even have to wave to passing motorcyclists-just hit the > automatic wave button and a gloved hand popps out of the fairing so you > can keep one hand on the bars and the other holding your latte. > > Cheers, > > Tom > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 19 Dec 1998 10:49:38 -0700 I'm very disappointed with this feature. One would think that a company with BMW's grasp of advanced technology would have an automatic hand-waver, adjustable to scan for the various marques one wishes to wave to. Close, but no cigar, BMW.... DeVern On 19 Dec 98, at 9:36, Thomas W. Kullen wrote: > You may have to buy the new LT, I heard it comes with a fridge, ice > maker, blender (for campsite margueritas), as well as optional espresso > maker.You don't even have to wave to passing motorcyclists-just hit the > automatic wave button and a gloved hand popps out of the fairing so you > can keep one hand on the bars and the other holding your latte. > > Cheers, > > Tom > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: BB: Wher's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it? Date: 19 Dec 1998 15:06:56 -0700 Hey all, Thane, where's your sidecar rig now? Has anyone seen Rick P. out and about in his? Yo, Bobster how about replacing the front wheel with a ski and install ice tire on rear of your Duc? Deav - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hildebrand2@juno.com (Robert H Jensen) Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 19 Dec 1998 17:38:07 -0700 Bob K1200rsl=My Viagra Ducati 916=Dante's inferno F650=My placebo On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:23:22 -0700 k1thane@juno.com (Thane M Beckstrand) writes: >Gavin... > >We will let you know when we get good and ready!Untell then shut the %^*#!@ UP! > >Thane >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get >completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hildebrand2@juno.com (Robert H Jensen) Subject: Re: BB: Wher's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it? Date: 19 Dec 1998 17:37:00 -0700 Bob K1200rsl=My Viagra Ducati 916=Dante's inferno F650=My placebo On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:06:56 -0700 "Tom Deaver" writes: >Hey all, > >Thane, where's your sidecar rig now? > >Has anyone seen Rick P. out and about in his? > >Yo, Bobster how about replacing the front wheel with a ski and install >ice >tire on rear of your Duc?...Deav.....Howbout i install a ski in the rear of your Duk! " I'll be careful" > >Deav > > >- > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hildebrand2@juno.com (Robert H Jensen) Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 19 Dec 1998 17:31:29 -0700 Thane...........Are you taking you Job to seriously? Bob K1200rsl=My Viagra Ducati 916=Dante's inferno F650=My placebo On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:23:22 -0700 k1thane@juno.com (Thane M Beckstrand) writes: >Gavin... > >We will let you know when we get good and ready! > >Thane >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get >completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hildebrand2@juno.com (Robert H Jensen) Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 19 Dec 1998 17:28:38 -0700 Bob K1200rsl=My Viagra Ducati 916=Dante's inferno F650=My placebo On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:36:23 -0700 "Thomas W. Kullen" writes: >Gavin Wallace wrote: >> >> Solar powered? I'm fairly certain that Bob's tank bag has a 2.5Kw >> generator, diesel powered, eh Bobster? Oh, that's right. It's just >wired >> for one. >> >> --Gav >> >> At 11:26 PM 12/18/98 EST, you wrote: >> >DeVern: One can bring one's own Expresso Cart. Or have Fed Ex or >UPS bring it >> >in fresh daily. I am sure that one can buy either a solar powered >coffee >> >grinder, or an all in one grinder, perculator and latte machine. >Try >> >www.coffeeadnaseum.com for starters. >> >Crit >> > >> >I like coffee, as long as its black > >> - > > > You may have to buy the new LT, I heard it comes with a fridge, >ice >maker, blender (for campsite margueritas), as well as optional >espresso >maker.You don't even have to wave to passing motorcyclists-just hit >the >automatic wave button and a gloved hand popps out of the fairing so >you can keep one hand on the bars and the other holding your latte. >Tom....Im not sure, but someone tolled me that- Latte ,was the latin word for penis , i didn't believe them at first ,but it does seem to fit in certain places,like you said in the above,and Want a latte,have a latte,Latte on ice,would your friend like a latte, there is the dark latte's and light latte's as well as big ,medium,and the ever familiar -small latte's or the Presidential latte(It's served in high places),i was a little afraid to ask in a public forum like this but thought some one else might know..................Just kidding. >Cheers, > >Tom > >- > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hildebrand2@juno.com (Robert H Jensen) Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 19 Dec 1998 17:44:14 -0700 Bob K1200rsl=My Viagra Ducati 916=Dante's inferno F650=My placebo On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:49:38 -0700 "DeVern Gerber" writes: >I'm very disappointed with this feature. One would think that a >company with BMW's grasp of advanced technology would have an >automatic hand-waver, adjustable to scan for the various marques >one wishes to wave to. Close, but no cigar, BMW....Isn't that what Monica said? > >DeVern > > >On 19 Dec 98, at 9:36, Thomas W. Kullen wrote: > >> You may have to buy the new LT, I heard it comes with a fridge, >ice >> maker, blender (for campsite margueritas), as well as optional >espresso >> maker.You don't even have to wave to passing motorcyclists-just hit >the >> automatic wave button and a gloved hand popps out of the fairing so >you >> can keep one hand on the bars and the other holding your latte. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Tom >> >> - >> >> > > > >- > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 19 Dec 1998 20:01:26 -0500 Thats my job,man. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: k1thane@juno.com (Thane M Beckstrand) Subject: Re: BB: Wher's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it? Date: 19 Dec 1998 19:59:38 -0700 Hey, with a new wife who wants to go Christmas shopping every spare minute, who has time to fix a bad tranny bearing. Thane - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: Re: BB: Wher's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it? Date: 19 Dec 1998 21:30:43 -0500 Don't feel to bad,i sliped the timing chain Thursday morning on the way t= o work. I have concluded that there is nothing like a broken down vehicle to make= you feal like a BUM!......People passing buy,flipping the finger,tossing debris a= nd fecal looking stuff out of the window,calling you names,it was bad,untell i removed my BMW hat.......Thats all it took......Next person pulled over and gave me ride to the station and gave me a couple a buck's.Cool ha?? Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Wher's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it? Date: 19 Dec 1998 20:30:41 -0700 bob, it wasn't the hat-- it was the fact that you stepped away and distanced yourself from the "Clinton Forever" bumper stickers on your rig. Ya gotta watch that political stuff, it'll get you in trouble every time. DeVern On 19 Dec 98, at 21:30, Jess Jensen wrote: > Don't feel to bad,i sliped the timing chain Thursday morning on the way to > work. I have concluded that there is nothing like a broken down vehicle to > make you feal like a BUM!......People passing buy,flipping the > finger,tossing debris and fecal looking stuff out of the window,calling > you names,it was bad,untell i removed my BMW hat.......Thats all it > took......Next person pulled over and gave me ride to the station and gave > me a couple a buck's.Cool ha?? > > Bob > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hildebrand2@juno.com (Robert H Jensen) Subject: Re: BB: Wher's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it? Date: 19 Dec 1998 20:33:17 -0700 Bob K1200rsl=Mine Viagra Ducati 996=Foreplay F650=My placebo On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:30:41 -0700 "DeVern Gerber" writes: >bob, it wasn't the hat-- it was the fact that you stepped away and >distanced yourself from the "Clinton Forever" bumper stickers on >your rig. Ya gotta watch that political stuff, it'll get you in >trouble >every time/.It wasen't Clinton for ever,DeVern......It said-Clinton for Beaver. However the B is a little hard to see now.You might be right.....Thanks. Bob > >DeVern > > >On 19 Dec 98, at 21:30, Jess Jensen wrote: > >> Don't feel to bad,i sliped the timing chain Thursday morning on the >way to >> work. I have concluded that there is nothing like a broken down >vehicle to >> make you feel like a BUM!......People passing buy,flipping the >> finger,tossing debris and fecal looking stuff out of the >window,calling >> you names,it was bad,untell i removed my BMW hat.......Thats all it >> took......Next person pulled over and gave me ride to the station >and gave >> me a couple a buck's.Cool ha?? >> >> Bob >> >> - >> >> > > > >- > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Wallace Subject: Re: BB: Wher's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it? Date: 19 Dec 1998 22:22:22 -0700 Sure it wasn't the sign you were holding, "Will work for food"? --Gav At 09:30 PM 12/19/98 -0500, you wrote: >Don't feel to bad,i sliped the timing chain Thursday morning on the way to >work. >I have concluded that there is nothing like a broken down vehicle to make >you feal >like a BUM!......People passing buy,flipping the finger,tossing debris and >fecal >looking stuff out of the window,calling you names,it was bad,untell i >removed my >BMW hat.......Thats all it took......Next person pulled over and gave me >ride to the station >and gave me a couple a buck's.Cool ha?? > >Bob > >- > > Gavin Wallace Blue '96 R1100RTL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Wallace Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 19 Dec 1998 22:24:10 -0700 I didn't know "we" were capable of being both at the same time. --Gav At 10:23 AM 12/19/98 -0700, you wrote: >Gavin... > >We will let you know when we get good and ready! > >Thane > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >- > > Gavin Wallace Blue '96 R1100RTL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Wallace Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 19 Dec 1998 22:44:34 -0700 Hey, I just figured out a way to avoid all this abuse and save 15 bucks, but I'm just not a quitter. A glutten for punishment maybe...... --Gav At 10:23 AM 12/19/98 -0700, you wrote: >Gavin... > >We will let you know when we get good and ready! > >Thane > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >- > > Gavin Wallace Blue '96 R1100RTL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick P." Subject: Re: BB: Where's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it? Date: 19 Dec 1998 23:13:33 +0000 Tom Deaver wrote: > Hey all, > > Thane, where's your sidecar rig now? > > Has anyone seen Rick P. out and about in his? > Once Rick P. gets out from all the "seasonal duties" you just might see me out on three wheels. Need to get the sidecar painted black this year. Anyone have a favorite painter that doesn't need the price of a new K1200RS to paint a crummy Russian sidehack? Rick P. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: BB: Where's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it? Date: 19 Dec 1998 23:18:06 -0700 I'll do it. I've got a can of spray paint. Should look as good as new. :-) -- Mike "Rick P." wrote: > > Tom Deaver wrote: > > > Hey all, > > > > Thane, where's your sidecar rig now? > > > > Has anyone seen Rick P. out and about in his? > > > > Once Rick P. gets out from all the "seasonal duties" you just might see me > out on three wheels. Need to get the sidecar painted black this year. > Anyone have a favorite painter that doesn't need the price of a new K1200RS > to paint a crummy Russian sidehack? > Rick P. > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 20 Dec 1998 07:02:47 -0700 Gav, Here's lots of mint, mintmintmintmintmintmint you can pun yourself with. ; ) Deav -----Original Message----- >Hey, I just figured out a way to avoid all this abuse and save 15 bucks, >but I'm just not a quitter. A glutten for punishment maybe...... > >--Gav > >At 10:23 AM 12/19/98 -0700, you wrote: >>Gavin... >> >>We will let you know when we get good and ready! >> >>Thane >> >>___________________________________________________________________ >>You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >>or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> >>- >> >> >Gavin Wallace >Blue '96 R1100RTL > >- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: Re: BB: Where's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it? Date: 20 Dec 1998 07:07:36 -0700 Rick, Glad to hear from you. It's been awhile. too long. Though you were off to exotic places like NYC or Paris, or Moab. I had my Luftmeister fairing with lowers and saddle fuel tanks painted at a place on third west. He let me get the paint and stuff from Glasurit so it would match. All of the aforementioned cost about $200. I forgot the name of the place. But I will drive by it and get the name if you want. Let me know. Deav -----Original Message----- > > >Tom Deaver wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> Thane, where's your sidecar rig now? >> >> Has anyone seen Rick P. out and about in his? >> > >Once Rick P. gets out from all the "seasonal duties" you just might see me >out on three wheels. Need to get the sidecar painted black this year. >Anyone have a favorite painter that doesn't need the price of a new K1200RS >to paint a crummy Russian sidehack? >Rick P. > > > >- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: Re: BB: Where's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it? Date: 20 Dec 1998 07:18:12 -0700 Mike, If you spray paint Rick's hack in black at mid-night he won't be able to see the missed areas or the paint runs. Deav -----Original Message----- >I'll do it. I've got a can of spray paint. Should look as good as new. >:-) > >-- Mike > >"Rick P." wrote: >> >> Tom Deaver wrote: >> >> > Hey all, >> > >> > Thane, where's your sidecar rig now? >> > >> > Has anyone seen Rick P. out and about in his? >> > >> >> Once Rick P. gets out from all the "seasonal duties" you just might see me >> out on three wheels. Need to get the sidecar painted black this year. >> Anyone have a favorite painter that doesn't need the price of a new K1200RS >> to paint a crummy Russian sidehack? >> Rick P. >> >> - > >- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vickenn@webtv.net (Victor Kennedy) Subject: Re: BB: Where's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it? Date: 20 Dec 1998 07:20:29 -0700 (MST) Tom. was the paint place "SCHMIDT". They are on 3rd W. & do a good job. Vic K. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: k1thane@juno.com (Thane M Beckstrand) Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 20 Dec 1998 08:40:45 -0700 Huh? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: k1thane@juno.com (Thane M Beckstrand) Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER Date: 20 Dec 1998 08:42:43 -0700 Now, now...let's not be too hasty. I think you should take some time and think this over a bit more. Thane - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hildebrand2@juno.com (Robert H Jensen) Subject: BB: renogarb@juno.com (tim garb): Re: Mary Christmas Date: 20 Dec 1998 08:47:12 -0700 Rather than sort out,all the people on the list that know Tim,i have decided to post his recent letter to Linda and I. Bob K1200rsl=Mine Viagra Ducati 996=Foreplay F650=Mine placebo --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- Message-ID: <19981218.183842.6910.0.renogarb@juno.com> References: <19981217.071739.3958.37.hildebrand2@juno.com> Hello Bob and Linda: Are all of your two wheeled toys put away for the winter?? I rode today on the KLR before the cold snap hits in a few days. Was out in California for the last few days in Santa Rosa on business. I will be reporting to that office after Jan. 1st rather than the SLC office as I had. Life has thrown me a bit of a curve ball..About six weeks ago I was diagnosed with a rare disease which has been dogging me since this summer.. It is CIDP - spelled out chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy. It is an autoimmune disorder that is a close relative to Guillain-Barre' syndrome. Essentially it is a progressive numbing of the extremities working to the core of the body.. I am learning as much as I can over the internet and am taking some steroid-like medication with some weird side effects such as not being able to sleep for more than an hour or so each night.. Hard to say how all this will play out. On the other hand I can do some things such as ride without gloves in winter type conditions so you see every cloud has a silver lining.. All the best to the Beehive Gang.. Tim and Gabrielle. --------- End forwarded message ---------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: Re: BB: Where's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it? Date: 20 Dec 1998 09:27:40 -0700 Vic, Na, it was close to there just south of Paxton Ave. a real nondescript place. Went there because I saw the work they did on a fellow teacher's car after the unfortunate. Deav -----Original Message----- Tom. was the paint place "SCHMIDT". They are on 3rd W. & do a good job. Vic K. - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: BB: Re: renogarb@juno.com (tim garb): Re: Mary Christmas Date: 20 Dec 1998 09:38:38 -0700 Bobster, Do think it will be alright to print Tim's letter in the Jan Stinger? He has many friend in the club who are Internet challenged and they might desire to hear from him. Deav -----Original Message----- >Rather than sort out,all the people on the list that know Tim,i have >decided to post his >recent letter to Linda and I. >Bob >K1200rsl=Mine Viagra >Ducati 996=Foreplay >F650=Mine placebo >--------- Begin forwarded message ---------- >From: renogarb@juno.com (tim garb) >To: hildebrand2@juno.com >Subject: Re: Mary Christmas >Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:38:41 XST >Message-ID: <19981218.183842.6910.0.renogarb@juno.com> >References: <19981217.071739.3958.37.hildebrand2@juno.com> > >Hello Bob and Linda: Are all of your two wheeled toys put away for the >winter?? I rode today on the KLR before the cold snap hits in a >few days. Was out in California for the last few days in Santa Rosa on >business. I will be reporting to that office after Jan. 1st rather than >the SLC office as I had. Life has thrown me a bit of a curve >ball..About six weeks ago I was diagnosed with a rare disease >which has been dogging me since this summer.. It is CIDP - spelled out >chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy. It is an autoimmune >disorder that is a close relative to Guillain-Barre' syndrome. >Essentially it is a progressive numbing of the extremities working to the >core of the body.. I am learning as much as I can over the internet and >am taking some steroid-like medication with some weird side effects such >as not being able to sleep for more than an hour or so each night.. Hard >to say how all this will play out. On the other hand I can do some things >such as ride without gloves in winter type conditions so you see every >cloud has a silver lining.. All the best to the Beehive Gang.. Tim and >Gabrielle. >--------- End forwarded message ---------- > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: Re: BB: Where's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it? Date: 20 Dec 1998 11:54:14 EST ToM: it might have Been Midgley's an old line body and paint shop about 1275 South 300 West. Crit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: BB: Re: renogarb@juno.com (tim garb): Re: Mary Christmas Date: 20 Dec 1998 12:02:35 -0500 I know that Tim wouldn't mind,so i don't see a problem with that .Sure. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: Re: BB: Re: renogarb@juno.com (tim garb): Re: Mary Christmas Date: 20 Dec 1998 12:21:11 EST Deav: When I said Midgley's body shop, I meant Doyle's at 1191 South 300 West. Midgley's was what it was called, going back to my youth of about 8-10 years old. It was the body shop that my familyl, with 6 kids and 4 to 5 cars frequented on many occasions. Crit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: Re: BB: Where's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it? Date: 20 Dec 1998 10:36:35 -0700 Crit, I've truly forgotten the name. But that name is not the one. Just a couple of doors south of Paxton Ave. They only have the co. name painted on the window of the people door and one garage type door on 3rd west. The main entrance is from the alley. I'll drive by and report back what the name is. This place did not do as nice of a job as Schneiders, but I have the impression that Rick is not looking for a world class restoration job. Only a nice looking durable paint job at a lower price. This is just my guess as he has not stated. Deav -----Original Message----- >ToM: it might have Been Midgley's an old line body and paint shop about 1275 >South 300 West. >Crit > >- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: BB: Re: Re: renogarb@juno.com (tim garb): Re: Mary Christmas Date: 20 Dec 1998 10:37:55 -0700 Bobster, I'm planning to print Tim's letter in the Jan. Stinger. Deav -----Original Message----- I know that Tim wouldn't mind,so i don't see a problem with that .Sure. Bob - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: Re: BB: Re: renogarb@juno.com (tim garb): Re: Mary Christmas Date: 20 Dec 1998 10:42:53 -0700 BINGO, We have a winner! yep, siree-e-e-e, You are correct. It is Doyles. My experience was good job, fair price though a little slow. It took two weeks instead of one. Thanks, Crit for remembering. I was, seriously, bundling up to drive down this morning and find out. Ya saved me from frost bitten toes. Deav -----Original Message----- >Deav: > When I said Midgley's body shop, I meant Doyle's at 1191 South 300 >West. Midgley's was what it was called, going back to my youth of about 8-10 >years old. It was the body shop that my familyl, with 6 kids and 4 to 5 cars >frequented on many occasions. >Crit > >- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Where's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it? Date: 20 Dec 1998 10:52:22 -0700 You might try your nearest Earl Scheib center..... DeVern On 19 Dec 98, at 23:13, Rick P. wrote: > > > Tom Deaver wrote: > > > Hey all, > > > > Thane, where's your sidecar rig now? > > > > Has anyone seen Rick P. out and about in his? > > > > Once Rick P. gets out from all the "seasonal duties" you just might see me > out on three wheels. Need to get the sidecar painted black this year. > Anyone have a favorite painter that doesn't need the price of a new > K1200RS to paint a crummy Russian sidehack? Rick P. > > > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: BB: Fwd: SNOWBALL Date: 20 Dec 1998 13:30:07 -0500 -------------Forwarded Message----------------- [unknown], JJensen8 = RE: Fwd: SNOWBALL Sender: ZIZIBOY@aol.com Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by dub-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) with ESMTP id KAA23188 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ZIZIBOY@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0RKa001498; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:38:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary=3D"part0_914168328_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 = - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: BB: Ducati Market share Date: 20 Dec 1998 13:39:03 -0500 Thought the list my like to see this. Bob -------------Forwarded Message----------------- = RE: Ducati Market share Sender: Ducati@ducati.net Received: from revnet4.revnet.com (revnet4.revnet.com [198.51.35.125]) by hil-img-6.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) with ESMTP id SAA09600; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from preview.revnet.com (Preview.revnet.com [198.51.35.121]) by revnet4.revnet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA00720; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:20:49 -0600 Message-Id: <199812092320.RAA00720@revnet4.revnet.com> Reply-To: Ducati@ducati.net Errors-To: Ducati@ducati.net Originator: Ducati@ducati.net X-Mailer: GroupMaster X-Mailer-Version: 1.5 X-GroupMasterUser: Revnet Express Dealernews 1998 forecast H.D. 102220 35.48% Honda 53806 22.39% Suzuki 39445 13.79% kaw 37688 13.09% Yamdog 26577 9.23% BMW 7337 2.55% Duc 3403 1.18% Tri 3142 1.095 buell 2573 0.89% M/Gu 666 0,23% KTM 519 0.18% Ducati is up 19.30% over 1997 all based thru september 1998 = Dealer % ATV 51.21% STR 32.02% Dir 13.79% = j patterson 916 ____________________________________________________________ Unsubscribe or access your membership settings at: = http://preview.revnet.com/GMG/ctrlpanel/0/413 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hildebrand2@juno.com (Robert H Jensen) Subject: Re: BB: Where's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it? Date: 20 Dec 1998 11:47:49 -0700 Are you sure it's not called Earl Scribe center? Bob K1200rsl=Mine Viagra Ducati 996=Foreplay F650=Mine placebo On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:52:22 -0700 "DeVern Gerber" writes: >You might try your nearest Earl Scheib center..... > >DeVern > > >On 19 Dec 98, at 23:13, Rick P. wrote: > >> >> >> Tom Deaver wrote: >> >> > Hey all, >> > >> > Thane, where's your sidecar rig now? >> > >> > Has anyone seen Rick P. out and about in his? >> > >> >> Once Rick P. gets out from all the "seasonal duties" you just might >see me >> out on three wheels. Need to get the sidecar painted black this >year. >> Anyone have a favorite painter that doesn't need the price of a new >> K1200RS to paint a crummy Russian sidehack? Rick P. >> >> >> >> - >> >> > > > >- > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: david barber Subject: Re: BB: Fwd: SNOWBALL Date: 20 Dec 1998 14:50:12 -0700 Bob, where is the snowball? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: Re: BB: Fwd: SNOWBALL Date: 20 Dec 1998 17:48:07 EST Touche - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: BB: Fwd: SNOWBALL Date: 20 Dec 1998 18:17:09 -0500 See if this makes it,I think that our very own M/C has stoped all attachm= ents going through. Bob -------------Forwarded Message----------------- [unknown], JJensen8 = RE: Fwd: SNOWBALL Sender: ZIZIBOY@aol.com Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by dub-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) with ESMTP id KAA23188 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ZIZIBOY@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0RKa001498; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:38:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary=3D"part0_914168328_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 = - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: Re: BB: Fwd: SNOWBALL Date: 20 Dec 1998 18:21:45 EST Bob: I don't know if its my computer or what, but nothing showed up, why not try and send it directly to my e-mail address to see if it gets there, I have had not problem getting both your christmas card and the one from the Dali Barber and Sherrie. Crit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hildebrand2@juno.com (Robert H Jensen) Subject: Re: BB: Fwd: SNOWBALL Date: 20 Dec 1998 16:17:36 -0700 I'll send it direct Dave,and anyone else who wants it. Bob K1200rsl=Mine Viagra Ducati 996=Foreplay F650=Mine placebo On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 14:50:12 -0700 david barber writes: >Bob, >where is the snowball? > > >- > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick P." Subject: Re: BB: Where's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it? Date: 20 Dec 1998 16:41:08 +0000 Tom Deaver wrote: > > This place did not do as nice of a job as Schneiders, but I have the > impression that Rick is not looking for a world class restoration job. Only > a nice looking durable paint job at a lower price. This is just my guess as > he has not stated. > > Deav > Right you are Tom! The '67 R60 that it is bolted to has well worn original paint and I don't need or want to pay for a councours job. I don't want an oranged-peeled mess either. Most of the quotes I've received are equal to what I payed for the entire hack, excpt one, but I don't know anything about his reputation. I realize that you normally get what you pay for in quality, but hey this is Russian Lump-O-Metal with a wheel. Sorry I haven't been around, it's been a year of time compromises. Hopefully I'll do better in '99. Thanks, Rick - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick P." Subject: BB: MARRIED? Date: 20 Dec 1998 16:41:58 +0000 Thane, Did I see on the list that you were recently MARRIED? Rick Pellegrino - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Deaver" Subject: Re: BB: Fwd: SNOWBALL Date: 20 Dec 1998 17:45:37 -0700 Yea, send it to me Deav -----Original Message----- >I'll send it direct Dave,and anyone else who wants it. >Bob >K1200rsl=Mine Viagra >Ducati 996=Foreplay >F650=Mine placebo > >On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 14:50:12 -0700 david barber >writes: >>Bob, >>where is the snowball? >> >> >>- >> >> > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: BB: MARRIED? Date: 20 Dec 1998 20:11:04 -0700 Yes, it's true. I accompanied Thane on his quest to CA to propose. It was a grand adventure in late October...cold temperatures, blown fuses, flat tires, chains-only over the Sierras, 80 mile detours, stunning autumn scenery, mud flows across the road, misty mountains vistas, running along-side trains down Feather River Canyon. All for the big mission. This was high-drama. Great fun! I just realized that we have not formaly congratulated Thane on the list. So, as list administrator, I hope I speak for everyone on the list when I say "Congratulations, Thane!" -- Mike "Rick P." wrote: > > Thane, > Did I see on the list that you were recently MARRIED? > Rick Pellegrino > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Swan555@aol.com Subject: Re: BB: MARRIED? Date: 20 Dec 1998 23:10:49 EST Amen to that. Crit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jess Jensen Subject: BB: WIN A FREE FREE VACATION ! Date: 21 Dec 1998 10:12:34 -0500 Yes Mr. & Miss. Gerber .....You are the lucky winners of a free.......Tha= ts wright ......Free