From: owner-beehive-beemers-digest@lists.xmission.com (beehive-beemers-digest) To: beehive-beemers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: beehive-beemers-digest V1 #11 Reply-To: beehive-beemers-digest Sender: owner-beehive-beemers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-beehive-beemers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk beehive-beemers-digest Thursday, May 7 1998 Volume 01 : Number 011 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 09:15:23 -0600 From: Jeb Berg Subject: Re: BB: Spring Breakout Thane, Give me a call and lets discuss. There is 2 " of snow on the bench here in Tooele, don't know about west. 843-0154 Jeb At 06:18 AM 4/17/98 -0600, you wrote: >JEB... > >I need to get some more miles on the F650, so will probably throw other >responsibilities to the winds Sat. If you're up to a somewhat leisurely >ride on back roads, I'm open to suggestions. Or...I could be coerced >into something more ambitious on the GS. > >Regards, Thane > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > >- > > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 09:18:13 -0600 From: Jeb Berg Subject: RE: BB: Spring Breakout Mike, I could join you but not if it rains. Where shall we meet? Jeb At 10:18 AM 4/17/98 -0600, you wrote: >I'd be up for a ride on Sunday. > >-- Mike > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeb Berg [mailto:jebberg@trilobyte.net] >Sent: Thursday, April 16, 1998 6:12 PM >To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: BB: Spring Breakout > > >I think Thane is leaving early Sat. Morning. > >Is anyone planning a ride this Sat or Sun? > >At 10:37 PM 4/15/98 -0600, you wrote: >>Anyone planning on going to Moab early Saturday morning? I have a work >>conflict on Friday and hoping to ride down with someone. >> >>Cheers, >> >>Tom Kullen >> >> >> >>- >> >> >> > > >- > >- > > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 09:25:36 -0600 From: Jeb Berg Subject: BB: Beehive Beemers Web Page Down Hey, I can't get into the web page. Is is down? Jeb - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 19:51:46 -0600 From: "Michael Clark" Subject: BB: Re: Beehive Beemers Web Page Down It seems to be up now. - -- Mike - -----Original Message----- From: Jeb Berg To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com Date: Saturday, April 18, 1998 9:23 AM Subject: BB: Beehive Beemers Web Page Down >Hey, I can't get into the web page. Is is down? > >Jeb > > >- > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:40:13 -0600 From: Jeb Berg Subject: Re: BB: Re: Beehive Beemers Web Page Down Yep it is. Mike, are you going for a ride on Sunday? Jeb At 07:51 PM 4/18/98 -0600, you wrote: >It seems to be up now. > >-- Mike > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeb Berg >To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com >Date: Saturday, April 18, 1998 9:23 AM >Subject: BB: Beehive Beemers Web Page Down > > >>Hey, I can't get into the web page. Is is down? >> >>Jeb >> >> >>- >> >> > > >- > > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:18:43 -0600 From: hildebrand2@juno.com (Robert H Jensen) Subject: BB: Re: Beehive Beemers Web Page Down What seems to up now ???????/ Mike?..............Bob On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 19:51:46 -0600 "Michael Clark" writes: >It seems to be up now. > >-- Mike > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeb Berg >To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com > >Date: Saturday, April 18, 1998 9:23 AM >Subject: BB: Beehive Beemers Web Page Down > > >>Hey, I can't get into the web page. Is is down? >> >>Jeb >> >> >>- >> >> > > >- > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:06:45 -0600 From: "Michael Clark" Subject: BB: Re: Re: Beehive Beemers Web Page Down Gimme a little time, folks. I'll get it back up an running when I get to work tomorrow. - -- Mike - -----Original Message----- From: Robert H Jensen To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com Date: Sunday, April 19, 1998 9:23 PM Subject: BB: Re: Beehive Beemers Web Page Down >What seems to up now ???????/ Mike?..............Bob >On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 19:51:46 -0600 "Michael Clark" >writes: >>It seems to be up now. >> >>-- Mike >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Jeb Berg >>To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com >> >>Date: Saturday, April 18, 1998 9:23 AM >>Subject: BB: Beehive Beemers Web Page Down >> >> >>>Hey, I can't get into the web page. Is is down? >>> >>>Jeb >>> >>> >>>- >>> >>> >> >> >>- >> >> > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > >- > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 06:47:56 -0600 From: k1thane@juno.com (Thane M Beckstrand) Subject: Re: BB: Spring Breakout JEB... Sorry I missed your post. I thought I checked for mail Sat. morning before I left (about 11:00am). Had an interesting solo ride...got stuck in mud and snow for about an hour somewhere south of Simpson Springs...but that's a story I have to spend more time embellishing for a larger audience. Moab Sat. morning??? Regards, Thane _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:22:32 -0600 From: "Michael Clark" Subject: BB: Fw: BOUNCE beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from ["tdeaver" ] - -----Original Message----- From: owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com To: owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, April 20, 1998 3:59 PM Subject: BOUNCE beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from ["tdeaver" ] >>From tdeaver@uswest.net Mon Apr 20 15:59:01 1998 >Received: from (mail.xmission.com) [198.60.22.22] > by lists.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yROab-00046h-00; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:59:01 -0600 >Received: from (slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net) [206.81.128.1] > by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) > id 0yROaZ-0005YQ-00; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:58:59 -0600 >Received: (qmail 10523 invoked by alias); 20 Apr 1998 21:58:52 -0000 >Delivered-To: fixup-beehive-beemers@xmission.com@fixme >Received: (qmail 10469 invoked by uid 0); 20 Apr 1998 21:58:48 -0000 >Received: from mdialup238.slkc.uswest.net (HELO newmicronpc) (207.224.204.238) > by pop.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 20 Apr 1998 21:58:48 -0000 >From: "tdeaver" >To: "Beehive-Beemers" >Cc: "Anne Larsen" >Subject: Spring Breakout Canseled for Max and I! >Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:02:34 -0600 >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 >Message-Id: > >Looks like any plans for the Spring Breakout are down the drain. My wife >just informed me she will not be feeling well enough on Friday for Max and I >to go to the Spring Breakout. You all have lots of fun. > >Anne L., I'm sending this to you since I told you that Max would be there to >play with Axel. Sorry. > >See ya later, >Tom D. >High in the Rockies > > > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 06:31:28 -0600 From: Jeb Berg Subject: Re: BB: Spring Breakout Thane I will see you in Moab. I am leaving about noon on Friday At 06:47 AM 4/20/98 -0600, you wrote: >JEB... > >Sorry I missed your post. I thought I checked for mail Sat. morning >before I left (about 11:00am). Had an interesting solo ride...got stuck >in mud and snow for about an hour somewhere south of Simpson >Springs...but that's a story I have to spend more time embellishing for a >larger audience. > >Moab Sat. morning??? > >Regards, Thane > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > >- > > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:59:29 -0600 From: "valley infinet" Subject: Re: BB: Spring Breakout Jeb, I tried to E-mail you but couldn't get through? anyway I will try to get you a posting of the uocoming events. the next campout after Moab will be in Victor, Idaho the end of June. But the 49er rally in Quincy will be on Memorial wkend. Let me know if you have any more ?'s. later, David - ---------- > From: Jeb Berg > To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: BB: Spring Breakout > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 6:31 AM > > Thane I will see you in Moab. I am leaving about noon on Friday > > At 06:47 AM 4/20/98 -0600, you wrote: > >JEB... > > > >Sorry I missed your post. I thought I checked for mail Sat. morning > >before I left (about 11:00am). Had an interesting solo ride...got stuck > >in mud and snow for about an hour somewhere south of Simpson > >Springs...but that's a story I have to spend more time embellishing for a > >larger audience. > > > >Moab Sat. morning??? > > > >Regards, Thane > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ > >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > > > >- > > > > > > > > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:12:33 -0600 From: Jeb Berg Subject: Re: BB: Spring Breakout Dave, Thanks. Jeb At 06:59 PM 4/21/98 -0600, you wrote: >Jeb, I tried to E-mail you but couldn't get through? anyway I will try to >get you a posting of the uocoming events. the next campout after Moab will >be in Victor, Idaho the end of June. But the 49er rally in Quincy will be >on Memorial wkend. Let me know if you have any more ?'s. later, David > >---------- >> From: Jeb Berg >> To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Re: BB: Spring Breakout >> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 6:31 AM >> >> Thane I will see you in Moab. I am leaving about noon on Friday >> >> At 06:47 AM 4/20/98 -0600, you wrote: >> >JEB... >> > >> >Sorry I missed your post. I thought I checked for mail Sat. morning >> >before I left (about 11:00am). Had an interesting solo ride...got stuck >> >in mud and snow for about an hour somewhere south of Simpson >> >Springs...but that's a story I have to spend more time embellishing for >a >> >larger audience. >> > >> >Moab Sat. morning??? >> > >> >Regards, Thane >> > >> >_____________________________________________________________________ >> >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >> >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >> >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> > >> > >> >- >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> - >> > >- > > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:14:07 -0600 From: Jeb Berg Subject: BB: Spring Break Out Anyone leaving about 1:00 PM Friday? Jeb Berg - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:56:46 +0000 From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Spring Breakout Dave; When are you leaving for 49er? I won't be able to get away until noon on Friday, unless I call in sick with a one-day case of mental illness... save me a campsite, OK?? And have fun in Moab this weekend, I won't be able to make it due to work commitments. On 21 Apr 98 at 18:59, valley infinet wrote: > Jeb, I tried to E-mail you but couldn't get through? anyway I will > try to get you a posting of the uocoming events. the next campout > after Moab will be in Victor, Idaho the end of June. But the 49er > rally in Quincy will be on Memorial wkend. Let me know if you have > any more ?'s. later, David > > ---------- > > From: Jeb Berg > > To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: BB: Spring Breakout > > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 6:31 AM > > > > Thane I will see you in Moab. I am leaving about noon on Friday > > > > At 06:47 AM 4/20/98 -0600, you wrote: > > >JEB... > > > > > >Sorry I missed your post. I thought I checked for mail Sat. morning > > >before I left (about 11:00am). Had an interesting solo ride...got stuck > > >in mud and snow for about an hour somewhere south of Simpson > > >Springs...but that's a story I have to spend more time embellishing for > a > > >larger audience. > > > > > >Moab Sat. morning??? > > > > > >Regards, Thane > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ > > >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > > >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > > >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > > > > > > >- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > - > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:22:21 -0600 From: Michael Clark Subject: BB: Web Page Status I've hacked a fix on the web page. You'll notice that the next meeting and events are both the spring breakout. I'll fix it correctly in a couple days (actually, I just need to get the info on the next club meeting.) Anyway. Netscape should be able to display the page now. Let me know if this is not the case. - -- Mike - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 06:30:57 -0600 From: Jeb Berg Subject: Re: BB: Web Page Status Yep it works Mike, Thanks. Jeb At 10:22 PM 4/21/98 -0600, you wrote: >I've hacked a fix on the web page. You'll notice that the next meeting >and events are both the spring breakout. I'll fix it correctly in a >couple days (actually, I just need to get the info on the next club >meeting.) > >Anyway. Netscape should be able to display the page now. Let me know if >this is not the case. > >-- Mike > >- > > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:07:34 EDT From: Swan 555 Subject: Re: BB: Spring Breakout Mike: The next meeting will be held at Nector's Restaurant on May 9, 1998 @ 9:00 A.M. Nector's is located at 1025 West North Temple (accross the street from the State Fairgrounds. I probably will not make the Spring Breakout. On last week's outing with Bob Jensen and Dave Friese to Bullfrog. I had some clutch slippage. On having Doug look at it and try to adjust it last night, we determined that I need to replace the clutch disks and probably pressure plate. This first happened to me on the trip to the Washington rally with DeVern etc. several years ago. My bike has almost 50,000 miles on it, so I shouldn't feel to bad. It takes about six hours to replace etc. so we won't have enough time to do it before this weekend and I wouldn't want to break down on the way to or way back from Moad. DeVern: I will save you a campsite at the 49er. Crit - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:10:31 -0600 From: Michael Clark Subject: RE: BB: Spring Breakout Thanks, Crit. - -- Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Swan 555 [mailto:Swan555@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 8:08 AM > To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: BB: Spring Breakout > > > Mike: > The next meeting will be held at Nector's Restaurant on May > 9, 1998 @ 9:00 > A.M. Nector's is located at 1025 West North Temple (accross > the street from > the State Fairgrounds. > > I probably will not make the Spring Breakout. On last week's > outing with Bob > Jensen and Dave Friese to Bullfrog. I had some clutch > slippage. On having Doug > look at it and try to adjust it last night, we determined > that I need to > replace the clutch disks and probably pressure plate. This > first happened to > me on the trip to the Washington rally with DeVern etc. > several years ago. My > bike has almost 50,000 miles on it, so I shouldn't feel to > bad. It takes about > six hours to replace etc. so we won't have enough time to do > it before this > weekend and I wouldn't want to break down on the way to or > way back from Moad. > > DeVern: I will save you a campsite at the 49er. > > Crit > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:16:00 EDT From: Swan 555 Subject: BB: Latest issue of Forbes FYI Everyone: The lastest issue of Forbes FYI (a quarterly supplement to Forbes) has an article on the Kenny Robert's School of High Performance Motorcycling at Las Vegas. It costs between $1100-1500 for two days and includes Hotel etc. I will make some copies of the article and take them down to Ted's. I don't have a scanner or I would scan it to all of you. Hope everyone has a nice time in Moab. Because of my clutch problems I will do go, but I may just do a day ride on Saturday, come down, say hello, and return. Crit - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:49:52 -0600 From: "valley infinet" Subject: BB: Re: Latest issue of Forbes FYI Krit, little buddy I just found about your bike, maybe you ought to opt for just driving your car or hopping on with Val or seeing if Val will let you borrow her bike and she can ride with Dave. Anyway your presence will be sorely missed. later, d - ---------- > From: Swan 555 > To: beehive-beemers@xmission.com > Subject: BB: Latest issue of Forbes FYI > Date: Thursday, April 23, 1998 8:16 AM > > Everyone: > The lastest issue of Forbes FYI (a quarterly supplement to Forbes) has an > article on the Kenny Robert's School of High Performance Motorcycling at Las > Vegas. It costs between $1100-1500 for two days and includes Hotel etc. I will > make some copies of the article and take them down to Ted's. I don't have a > scanner or I would scan it to all of you. > > Hope everyone has a nice time in Moab. Because of my clutch problems I will do > go, but I may just do a day ride on Saturday, come down, say hello, and > return. > > Crit > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 21:12:43 -0600 From: Michael Clark Subject: BB: While you were breaking out...the web site has moved. The new URL is http://www.aspengrove.com:81/beehive. The difference is the ":81" in front of the computer name. If this causes anyone any trouble (I'm thinking of the folks using AOL's or WebTV's web browser), let me know and we'll work something out.) Sorry about this. I host the web page at work, and the beemer page was moved around during a recent re-shuffling of computer resources. Hope everyone had a good time, and didn't get too wet at the spring breakout. I, for one, have been running errands and puttering around town on my R100GS/PD. Getting reaquainted, and generally remembering what a fine machine it is. - -- Mike - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:40:05 -0600 From: Gavin Wallace Subject: Re: BB: While you were breaking out...the web site has moved. Mike: I just tried the new URL and got a blank page using Netscape 3.01. I'm guessing that it is a temporary problem and I'll try it again on Monday. I noticed that just "putting around" can be very therapeutic, especially when work and household duties prevent you from taking a slighty longer scoot. Oh, and I didn't make it on the Moab ride either. Hope I can get some saddle time Sunday. My friend with the Buell wants to excersize it, or exorcise it, depending on his mood. Thanks for all the time you put in on the Web site. I've had to maintain a very simple page in the past so I can appreciate the effort and what a well organized format you chose. Later..... Gavin Blue '96 R1100RT - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:24:48 -0600 From: "Michael Clark" Subject: Re: BB: While you were breaking out...the web site has moved. Yep, same problem. I show the next event and next meetings on the main web page. However, the script that I wrote to display the HTML on the page is not very robust. When there is no next meeting or event, the thing stops in mid-page, leaving open tables which Netscape doesn't handle very elegantly. I'll have to fix it the next time I get to work. On the other hand, the other pages should show up just fine, if you type in the URL explicitly. For example, http://www.aspengrove.com:81/beehive/calendar.asp should get you to a functioning calendar page. And from there you can navigate to the other pages, using the menu on the left. - -- Mike - -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Wallace To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 9:31 PM Subject: Re: BB: While you were breaking out...the web site has moved. >Mike: > >I just tried the new URL and got a blank page using Netscape 3.01. I'm >guessing that it is a temporary problem and I'll try it again on Monday. > >I noticed that just "putting around" can be very therapeutic, especially >when work and household duties prevent you from taking a slighty longer >scoot. > >Oh, and I didn't make it on the Moab ride either. Hope I can get some >saddle time Sunday. My friend with the Buell wants to excersize it, or >exorcise it, depending on his mood. > >Thanks for all the time you put in on the Web site. I've had to >maintain a very simple page in the past so I can appreciate the effort >and what a well organized format you chose. > >Later..... > >Gavin >Blue '96 R1100RT > >- > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:58:17 -0400 From: Jess Jensen Subject: BB: In short--BBreak out. Hi all: We had a wonderful time at the break out - The weather was surprisingly good=3Dlows 40 or so and highs in the upper 70 s.. a few light sprinkles ,and some light gusts at night mostly. nice camp = ground with many more blades of grass than we had last year. " Impeccable Bathrooms". Great turn out with some 47 members attending . I have to say i enjoy= = each & every member of this club and i am happy to be = a part of it . Take care ......Bob Hope everyone made it Home safe ? - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:55:04 -0600 From: "Michael Clark" Subject: BB: Fw: BOUNCE beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from ["tdeaver" ] - -----Original Message----- From: owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com To: owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 9:06 AM Subject: BOUNCE beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from ["tdeaver" ] >>From tdeaver@uswest.net Sat Apr 25 09:06:16 1998 >Received: from (mail.xmission.com) [198.60.22.22] > by lists.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yT6Wu-0006Rk-00; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 09:06:16 -0600 >Received: from (slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net) [206.81.128.1] > by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) > id 0yT6Ws-0001bF-00; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 09:06:14 -0600 >Received: (qmail 17357 invoked by alias); 25 Apr 1998 15:06:12 -0000 >Delivered-To: fixup-beehive-beemers@xmission.com@fixme >Received: (qmail 17344 invoked by uid 0); 25 Apr 1998 15:06:12 -0000 >Received: from mdialup217.slkc.uswest.net (HELO newmicronpc) (207.224.204.217) > by pop.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 25 Apr 1998 15:06:12 -0000 >From: "tdeaver" >To: "Beehive-Beemers" >Cc: "IBMWR" >Subject: Steamboat Springs, CO Data >Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:09:18 -0600 >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 >Message-Id: > >I need the info for Steamboat Springs, CO bike day, races, etc. I >understand this is the last year for it at Steamboat. I'd like to include >this in the current issue of our club newsletter. > >TIA, >Tom D. >High in the Rockies > > > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:55:16 -0600 From: "Michael Clark" Subject: BB: Fw: BOUNCE beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from ["tdeaver" ] - -----Original Message----- From: owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com To: owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 9:06 PM Subject: BOUNCE beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from ["tdeaver" ] >>From tdeaver@uswest.net Sun Apr 26 21:06:28 1998 >Received: from (mail.xmission.com) [198.60.22.22] > by lists.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yTeFP-000148-00; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:06:27 -0600 >Received: from (slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net) [206.81.128.1] > by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) > id 0yTeFN-0004KH-00; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:06:26 -0600 >Received: (qmail 22999 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 1998 03:06:17 -0000 >Delivered-To: fixup-beehive-beemers@xmission.com@fixme >Received: (qmail 22972 invoked by uid 0); 27 Apr 1998 03:06:16 -0000 >Received: from mdialup199.slkc.uswest.net (HELO newmicronpc) (207.224.204.199) > by pop.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 27 Apr 1998 03:06:16 -0000 >From: "tdeaver" >To: "Jess Jensen" , > "Beehive-Beemers" , > "Anne Larsen" >Subject: Found Gavin Wallace Data >Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:09:17 -0600 >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 >Message-Id: > >Hey all, > >I found the Gavin Wallace data. don't need it now. > >Still need Steamboat Springs and Cafe Habaneros, Logan address. > >Thanks, >Tom D. >High in the Rockies > > > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:22:45 -0600 From: "valley infinet" Subject: BB: Re: Fw: BOUNCE beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from ["tdeaver" ] Tom, Steamboat Springs, Sept. 16th-20th, ARMHA has a web page that I will try and locate there phone # is 715-842-9699 if anyone wanted mailed info. Cafe Habaneros address is Center St. and 6th West, I will try to have exact time this morning. David in Logan - ---------- > From: Michael Clark > To: beehive-beemers@xmission.com > Subject: BB: Fw: BOUNCE beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from ["tdeaver" ] > Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 9:55 PM > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com > > To: owner-beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com > > Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 9:06 PM > Subject: BOUNCE beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission > from ["tdeaver" ] > > > >>From tdeaver@uswest.net Sun Apr 26 21:06:28 1998 > >Received: from (mail.xmission.com) [198.60.22.22] > > by lists.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > > id 0yTeFP-000148-00; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:06:27 -0600 > >Received: from (slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net) [206.81.128.1] > > by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) > > id 0yTeFN-0004KH-00; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:06:26 -0600 > >Received: (qmail 22999 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 1998 03:06:17 -0000 > >Delivered-To: fixup-beehive-beemers@xmission.com@fixme > >Received: (qmail 22972 invoked by uid 0); 27 Apr 1998 03:06:16 -0000 > >Received: from mdialup199.slkc.uswest.net (HELO newmicronpc) > (207.224.204.199) > > by pop.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 27 Apr 1998 03:06:16 -0000 > >From: "tdeaver" > >To: "Jess Jensen" , > > "Beehive-Beemers" , > > "Anne Larsen" > >Subject: Found Gavin Wallace Data > >Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:09:17 -0600 > >X-Priority: 3 > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 > >Message-Id: > > > >Hey all, > > > >I found the Gavin Wallace data. don't need it now. > > > >Still need Steamboat Springs and Cafe Habaneros, Logan address. > > > >Thanks, > >Tom D. > >High in the Rockies > > > > > > > > > > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:17:21 -0600 From: Jeb Berg Subject: Re: BB: While you were breaking out...the web site has moved. Mike, It is Monday evening and I can't pull up the new web page either. Missed both your and Gavin this week end in Moab. Had a great weekend. Jeb At 09:40 PM 4/25/98 -0600, you wrote: >Mike: > >I just tried the new URL and got a blank page using Netscape 3.01. I'm >guessing that it is a temporary problem and I'll try it again on Monday. > >I noticed that just "putting around" can be very therapeutic, especially >when work and household duties prevent you from taking a slighty longer >scoot. > >Oh, and I didn't make it on the Moab ride either. Hope I can get some >saddle time Sunday. My friend with the Buell wants to excersize it, or >exorcise it, depending on his mood. > >Thanks for all the time you put in on the Web site. I've had to >maintain a very simple page in the past so I can appreciate the effort >and what a well organized format you chose. > >Later..... > >Gavin >Blue '96 R1100RT > >- > > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:27:45 -0600 From: Gavin Wallace Subject: BB: New URL Mike: The Web site at the new URL is working great! Thanks, Gavin - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:07:59 -0600 From: "Michael Clark" Subject: BB: Heading South I know this is short notice, but I'm taking the PD down to the four-corners area for a few days. Leaving Thursday, mid-morning. Be back sometime Sat or Sun. I'll be moteling it (don't you hate it when people verbize nouns :) ) Plan to hit Monument Valley, Chaco Canyon, and Canyon DeChelly. There will be mild dirt-road riding involved. Anyone care to join me? - -- Mike - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:12:08 -0600 From: "Michael Scott" Subject: Re: BB: Heading South Make sure you hit Monument Valley at dusk! AND BRING YOUR CAMERA!!!! It's breathtaking!. I'd love to go, but my w/ends are no longer my own until this project is over. BTW, Michael, how can one get off the OSU Alumni mailing list Michael Michael Clark wrote: > I know this is short notice, but I'm taking the PD down to the four-corners > area for a few days. Leaving Thursday, mid-morning. Be back sometime Sat or > Sun. I'll be moteling it (don't you hate it when people verbize nouns :) ) > > Plan to hit Monument Valley, Chaco Canyon, and Canyon DeChelly. There will > be mild dirt-road riding involved. > > Anyone care to join me? > > -- Mike > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:12:08 -0600 From: "Michael Scott" Subject: Re: BB: Heading South Make sure you hit Monument Valley at dusk! AND BRING YOUR CAMERA!!!! It's breathtaking!. I'd love to go, but my w/ends are no longer my own until this project is over. BTW, Michael, how can one get off the OSU Alumni mailing list Michael Michael Clark wrote: > I know this is short notice, but I'm taking the PD down to the four-corners > area for a few days. Leaving Thursday, mid-morning. Be back sometime Sat or > Sun. I'll be moteling it (don't you hate it when people verbize nouns :) ) > > Plan to hit Monument Valley, Chaco Canyon, and Canyon DeChelly. There will > be mild dirt-road riding involved. > > Anyone care to join me? > > -- Mike > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:12:30 -0600 From: "tdeaver" Subject: BB: Stinger Party Does any body want to come over to my house on Thursday P. M. and fold, sort, staple, stamp and collate the "Stinger" issue for May? 467-7632 Tom D. High in the Rockies - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:37:28 +0000 From: jtstokes@mail.sisna.com Subject: BB: In Search Of Fellow beemers: I need alittle help.. I purchased a new (well, new to me) R100RT last week (yea!) but it's in Medford Oregon. Does anyone have a motorcycle trailer that I can borrow for the weekend of May 8- 10 I wanted to fly over and ride it home but after talking with my wife I found out that I didn't want to do that after all (go figure). Anyway if there is one available please let me know. thanks Jeff Stokes, jtstokes@sisna.com R100RT (soon) K100RT (for sale) - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:12:20 -0600 From: "tdeaver" Subject: BB: Stinger Party Cancelled Anne sat here today and did a everything for the stinger's May issue except stamps. We'll get them done in short order. So we don't need any help this month. Tom D. High in the Rockies - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:32:37 -0600 From: "Thomas W. Kullen" Subject: BB: System 3 Helmet I have a like new (used 3 weeks in the Alps) dark silver BMW System 3 helmet for sale with a dark shield and in the wrapper clear shield for sale-size small. Cheers, Tom - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:38:16 -0600 From: "tdeaver" Subject: BB: Re: System 3 Helmet Tom K. Do you want me to put this in the Stinger for the June issue. May's is in the mail as of 1 hour ago. Tom D. High in the Rockies - -----Original Message----- From: Thomas W. Kullen To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 1998 5:30 PM Subject: BB: System 3 Helmet >I have a like new (used 3 weeks in the Alps) dark silver BMW System >3 helmet for sale with a dark shield and in the wrapper clear shield >for sale-size small. > >Cheers, > >Tom > > >- > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 05:52:43 -0600 From: Jaime Richmond-Hope Subject: Re: BB: System 3 Helmet At 05:32 PM 4/30/98 -0600, you wrote: >I have a like new (used 3 weeks in the Alps) dark silver BMW System >3 helmet for sale with a dark shield and in the wrapper clear shield >for sale-size small. > >Cheers, > >Tom > > >- > > How much???? ride safe.. Jaime - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 20:40:08 -0600 From: Jeb Berg Subject: BB: Sunday Ride Is anyone up for a ride tomorrow? Jeb Red GS - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 07:15:56 -0600 From: "tdeaver" Subject: BB: I have and will share Missoula Travellodge reservation Hey all, I just got reservations for the Travel Lodge in Missoula for July 8-13. $55 per night 2 queen beds. anyone desire to share the room. Promise I'll take my Sudafed so no snoring. 1/2 price is $27.50 per night. Let me know. ASAP Tom D. High in the Rockies - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 14:06:23 -0600 From: "Michael Scott" Subject: BB: [Fwd: Headsets] Wow! My father and I went down this route last year, and I chose Cycle-Comm, where he chose J&M. These decisions, at the time, wer due to : he could get J&M products at his local dealer, but if I remember correctly, SLC BMW had a policy of "you buy it, we'll put it in", and didn't stock these kinds of items (though I may have misunderstood). In addition, after reading some reviews, Cycle-Comm's headsets had a better reputation for sound quality. With practices like these, I'm very glad I chose Cycle-Comm instead. From what I see here, I don't forsee every using J&M products - soley on principle. Michael chuck scott wrote: > Mike, > Thought you might be interested in this. > > Dad > > >Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:04:43 -0400 > >From: "William H. Smith" > >Subject: [Wings] Fw: ST1100: J&M Corp (LONG) > > > >If this is true than I wish that I could afford to shove my headsets where > >the lawyers for J&M have been living of late........Bill > > > >- -----Original Message----- > >From: Jon Poklop > >To: st1100@st1100.com ; ldrider@usaa.net > > > >Date: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 8:13 AM > >Subject: ST1100: J&M Corp (LONG) > > > > > >>Greeting All, > >> > >>My experiences with MAW have not been nearly as poor as many of the > >>listers. I would like to bring to your attention the actions of J&M Corp > >>putting CycleComm out of business and their continued harassment of RKA > >>Luggage and Crusin'Comm. If anyone disagrees that these three companies > >>are/were pleasures to deal with and always deliver what they promise, > >>please speak up. I for one will never buy a J&M product and have let them > >>know in no uncertain terms what I think of them. The following are three > >>letters from CycleComm, RKA, & Crusin'Comm detailing J&M's actions. Sorry > >>about the length. > >>_______________________________ > >>We started this business thirteen years ago because we thought we could > >>build a better mousetrap. We are motorcyclists and love this business and > >>all the people out there that have made us a success. > >> > >>We are luggage manufactures and have slid into the communications part of > >>the business because we wanted this product for ourselves, and with the > >>help of Cycle-Comm we made it possible for you to have an alternative to > >>purchasing a "GoldWing" to get communication abilities. > >> > >>Mr. John Lazzeroni of J&M Corp has won a law suite against Cycle-Comm for a > >>patent infringement regarding the clamping system on the headset system and > >>won all counts. > >> > >>RKA has been warned by J&M lawyers not to say anything derogatory about > >>this on the internet. > >> > >>We must let our pervious and future customers know as much as possible > >>about this situation. So we will tread as lightly as possible giving only > >>facts that we know to be true. > >> > >>Cycle-Comm & the Fischers have declared bankruptcy. Mr. Lazzeroni also sued > >>the Fischers personally. RKA can not sell Cycle Comm headsets because of > >>this judgement and have sent all remaining units to J&M lawyers in Tucson > >>Arizona. Although RKA has paid for the units and had them in stock BEFORE > >>the judgement was made. In other words we are out this money we paid for > >>these items. > >> > >>The remaining Cycle Comm products we have in stock are NOT affected by any > >>ruling. > >> > >>Let it be known that we are STILL IN THE COMMUNICATIONS BUSINESS!! But at > >>this time if you order from us you will not be able to purchase headsets. > >>First deduct $140.00 per speaker/mike and $100 for speaker only from the > >>pricing on the price list. You will have to find another source for your > >>headsets. There is only one other game in town folks. At this time RKA > >>refuses to use that source. > >> > >>Any product that is out in the field will be warranted to the best of RKA's > >>ability with the help of a new company started by the ex employees of > >>Cycle-Comm. The new company is called "Cruisin Communications" headed by > >>Ray Anders. > >> > >>Hopefully within a month or so new non-infringing headsets will be > >>available from "Cruisin Communications" with the same high quality of sound > >>and dependability that was available from Cycle-Comm in the past. > >> > >>Please note J&M Mr. Lazzeroni won a law suite using the justice system and > >>this is a done deal. RKA is a small company and Mr. Lazzeroni and J&M can > >>crush us in a second with one word to their lawyers. We would like you to > >>read a note from Ron Fischer of the now defunked Cycle-Comm. This message > >>has been posted on the internet already so it is public knowledge and this > >>is WHAT RKA BELIEVES TO BE THE TRUTH. > >> > >>Richard Battles > >>Kathy Storin > >> > >>Owners of RKA > >>(http://www.rka-luggage.com) > >>--------------------------------- > >>The True Story - J&M sues Cycle-Comm > >> > >>>From the desk of Mr. Fischer, > >> > >>Many of you have heard of the lawsuit between J&M and Cycle-Comm. After > >>reading John Lazzeroni's comments that he posted on the GWRRA message > >>board, I thought it only fair that you know the true story. I think I read > >>someplace that if you tell a lie often enough, people will believe it. I > >>think Lazzeroni has told this lie enough that he believes himself. Here is > >>the true story. > >> > >>In 1984 I made a CB radio for a gentleman named Dave Michalski who road a > >>Yamaha Venture and eventually he and I became good friends. At the time we > >>were manufacturing small quantities of headsets. Dave was a degreed > >>mechanical engineer and offered to help us design a better headset > >>configuration. Some of you may be familiar with one of Dave's other > >>designs, the electronic dartboard. The first tool that Dave designed was > >>our Push to Talk switch housing and our speaker housings. > >> > >>As a side note we also supplied these plastic switch housings to J&M which > >>they later copied and still use today. > >> > >>In early 1986 Dave and I worked on a new headset design which would > >>eventually became our 2001 design. In August I contacted Harley Davidson to > >>see if they would be interested in our products. My timing was perfect as > >>they were looking to add communications to their touring bikes. They > >>supplied us with two bikes and 6 helmets for us to install prototypes for > >>road tests. In October and November we supplied the systems for their > >>evaluation. The headsets we supplied used a clamp design that was an > >>improvement, but very similar to the design used by Honda in their earlier > >>design. We were not able to obtain the new connector that we wanted to use > >>so we used a telephone type connector as an interim measure. Harley was > >>very anxious to bring these products to market by the spring of the > >>following year. > >> > >>On December 18 1986 we received a purchase order from Harley for a few > >>thousand CB's and helmet headsets. Very exciting orders for a small company > >>like ours. In mid 1987 the tooling we used to produce Harley's headsets was > >>modified to include our connector and became our great 2001 headset. Around > >>that time I met John Lazzeroni at one of the shows and he said he was going > >>to get a patent on his head set. I told him I thought he was wasting his > >>time since Honda, others, and we had already had designs that were very > >>similar. > >> > >>In 1989 we received a letter from J&M's attorney saying we were infringing > >>their patent. We had our attorney respond saying that we felt their patent > >>was invalid because of prior art and that their patent did not cover our > >>uni-block single piece design since theirs was a two piece design. > >>Evidently they must have agreed because we never heard from their attorney > >>again until 5 years later in 1994. It seems they had gone back to the > >>patent office and, even though it took all those years, they some how > >>(nobody can figure how) able to convince the patent office to amend the > >>patent to include our one-piece design. Those of you in the business may > >>recall that we had our one piece design the 2001 in late 1987. J&M did not > >>use a one-piece design until many years later. We again responded through > >>our attorney that we felt the patent was invalid. In December (About the > >>same time Motorcycle Consumer News picked our headsets as "Best by a > >>landslide") they filed the lawsuit. > >> > >>Unfortunately my good friend Dave died in 1992. Dave was a computer whiz > >>and his documents were all lost when his widow sold his computer. I did > >>have many of Harley's drawings and the original purchase order from Harley. > >>Any of you in business know that you cannot get a purchase order from a > >>company Harleys size without having supplied working prototypes. These > >>prototypes would have proceeded J&M's patent application making it invalid. > >>The court did not see it that way and we lost. > >> > >>How could we have a lost such an obvious (at least to our attorneys and us > >>) case? You pay a so-called expert witness who is a patent attorney to act > >>as judge and jury. It does not matter that he could be the biggest liar in > >>the world. The simple people on the jury (none of whom knew anything about > >>motorcycling) believed him because he had credentials a mile long. We of > >>course did not have the money to buy our own expert witness to counter this > >>fabricator. > >> > >>Dave was a very talented well-educated man and, even though Lazzeroni would > >>like you to believe that Dave copied his design, nothing could be further > >>from the truth. Those of you that are familiar with this uneducated, > >>egotistical tyrant know that he is the one who lacks ability, and is the > >>one who is most likely to have copied. When BMW, Yamaha and Harley Davidson > >>needed technical advice, they choose Cycle Comm not J&M> > >> > >>We are very grateful to our attorneys who have believed in our cause. Even > >>though they knew that they might never be paid, they have stuck with us > >>through this terrible ordeal. Yes terrible is putting it mildly. The strain > >>that this has put on my family and my employees has been excruciating. The > >>Financial burden has kept us from growing and from realizing any reward > >>from our efforts. J&M is 25 times our size. The money it has cost them is > >>small change compared to what it has cost us. Having a monopoly on the > >>market, all they need do is rise your price again. The cost of a lawsuit > >>like this will no doubt be close to a million dollars. Even if we had won, > >>the financial burden would have been more than we could tolerate. That of > >>course was Lazzeroni's original plan. He never expected us to survive as > >>long as we did. We will most likely not be able to continue in business as > >>Cycle Comm, Inc. The Lazzeroni's also sued us personally in hopes of taking > >>our home and all our possessions. Needless to say this has been very > >>traumatic on our children. They have also petitioned the court to make us > >>turn over all remaining parts so we would not be able to honor our > >>warranties or to repair older headsets. Our attorneys are still fighting > >>this. There is a court order that prevents our selling our headsets however > >>we are still able to sell all of our other fine products. > >> > >>Where do we do from here? We will explore every option that is available > >>and with God's help and that of our many motorcycling friends; we will > >>again be able to supply the very best in motorcycle communications > >>equipment. I am helping a new company to design a new helmet headset that > >>will be even better than our 2001. Naturally, the design will be checked by > >>patent attorneys to insure that Lazzeroni cannot repeat this fiasco. > >> > >>I do not wish to infer that J&M's products or their people are bad. Many of > >>you are well aware that many of the people who make and sell their products > >>are our dearest friends and always will be. > >> > >>John Lazzeroni and much to our dismay Melinda used their money with the > >>sole purpose of putting Cycle Comm out of business. The ill gotten patent > >>was only used for that purpose. Why did they not sue Harley Davidson as > >>well? Don't they also use a similar clamp? I am sure you all know the > >>answer to that. > >> > >>We are very grateful to all of you that have stood by us through this > >>ordeal. With the exception of this episode, it has been a great 20-year > >ride. > >> > >>Ron & Chris Fischer > >> > >>Cycle Comm > >>---------------------------------------- > >> > >>>From Cruisin'Comm's website (http://www.cruisincomm.com/) > >> > >> > >>We apologize for having to open our site with the following statement. This > >>is supposed to be a fun industry and we are trying very hard to keep it > >>that way. > >> > >>An open letter to my fellow motorcyclists and especially to John Lazzeroni > >>of J&M Corp. > >> > >>I have learned that Mr. Lazzeroni intends to try to tie me in with my > >>former employer's, Cycle Comm, bankruptcy. I have also been informed that > >>he intends to sue us as soon as I bring out our new "Cruis-Comm" headset. > >> > >>When I first developed this headset, I consulted a patent attorney. It was > >>this attorneys professional opinion that my new design did not infringe on > >>J&M's patent in any way. I have started this business on a shoestring > >>budget with a lot of help from family and friends. The Fischer's are not > >>investors in my company. I am sure you are aware that having to hire an > >>attorney to defend myself against J&M's allegations will put an > >>unreasonable financial burden on my new and struggling company. I believe > >>that this is J&M's purpose in trying to tie me in with the company I once > >>worked for. > >> > >>I am well aware of how J&M's legal maneuvering harassed the Fischer's over > >>the many years your lawsuit against them went on. I watched as everything > >>they had worked for after their 20 years in business was taken away. The > >>profits they earned had to go to paying attorneys instead of being able to > >>invest in new products, advertising, and yes sometimes even me. I know they > >>spent hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting J&Ms' lawsuit and in the > >>end J&Ms' financial power did them in. > >> > >>Well, I do not have even their meager resources so it will not take John > >>Lazzeroni nearly so long to put me out of business. When that happens, the > >>motorcyclist will again be deprived of much needed competition. I do not > >>know of any way J&M can be stopped from using the legal system and their > >>money to eliminate competition. I know of no federal or state agency I > >>could appeal to so I will ask the help of those that might have that power, > >>the motorcyclists themselves. In the long run the motorcycle consumer will > >>be the big loser if J&M is allowed to continue this behavior. Perhaps if > >>the motorcyclist somehow showed that they will not tolerate that J&M is not > >>allowing competition to exist, maybe John Lazzeroni might back off. If not, > >>I am afraid our days are numbered before we have hardly begun. > >> > >>I humbly solicit the help of my fellow motorcyclists. If you have any > >>suggestions of what we might do, I would appreciate hearing from you. > >>Please forward a copy of this to any motorcyclist you know. > >> > >>Thank you for you're understanding and support. > >> > >> Ray Anders > >> > >> - - ------------------------------ End of beehive-beemers-digest V1 #11 ************************************