From: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com (buffy-digest) To: buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: buffy-digest V2 #7 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk buffy-digest Sunday, January 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 007 In this issue: BUFFY: SMG's attitude Re: BUFFY: Saturday Night Live possible skits Re: BUFFY: SMG in AMC / Lucci BUFFY: Buffy's name Re: BUFFY: CINEFANTASTIQUE BUFFY: Any One Noticed and Any New Buffy Web Sites? Re: BUFFY: May the Force be with you. BUFFY: B:tVS movie (w/Kristy Swanson), State By State Re: BUFFY: Charisma Carpenter Re: BUFFY: Saturday Night Live possible skits Re: BUFFY: SMG's attitude Re: BUFFY: Spike's sire BUFFY: Beg to differ Little Ladies! (Diane, Preta, Sandra) Re: BUFFY: Saturday Night Live possible skits BUFFY: Alyson was on... BUFFY: Today is the last day to vote for YOUR fav. Vamp! Re: BUFFY: CINEFANTASTIQUE Re: BUFFY: SMG's attitude Re: BUFFY: May the Force be with you. Re: BUFFY: Saturday Night Live possible skits Re: BUFFY: Beg to differ Little Ladies! (Diane, Preta, Sandra) BUFFY: angel BUFFY: Buffy's name-MY name Re: BUFFY: May the Force be with you. Re: BUFFY: SMG's attitude BUFFY: Re: May the force be with you.... Re: BUFFY: Saturday Night Live possible skits Re: BUFFY: angel Re: BUFFY: Re: Saturday Night Live Possible Skits Re: BUFFY: angel BUFFY: Who is your fav. Vamp. results!!! BUFFY: Should Buffy use protection? See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:51:35 EST From: Angel11261 Subject: BUFFY: SMG's attitude I have a problem here. Okay, let's analyze the facts. TV Guide, although it was not apparently a quote, told of Sarah's whining. Rumors have it that SMG left AMC because of her attitude. One of her colleagues has said that she is not always exactly sweet. That is all I'm aware of that says that her attitude needs work. Now none of that has been proven. Correct me if I'm wrong or if I missed anything. In interviews with David Boreanaz, he has only nice things to say about Sarah. I haven't read any interviews with anyone else but Sarah, David, and Charisma Carpenter. Charisma did not speak of her relationship with any of the cast. But David even told about how before one kissing scene, he ate a bunch of goldfish crackers, and Sarah had a bunch of doritos. They were trying to outdo each other to see which one was the grossest. Doesn't it seem like one would have to have a good sense of humor and a good attitude in order to do that? If anyone has anything else to add, please do. I'm trying to form a solid opinion of SMG, and I'm hoping that it is going to be a good one. Angel11261 - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:56:59 EST From: SUGARMAG77 Subject: Re: BUFFY: Saturday Night Live possible skits I don't know, I think that there is definitely a comedic side to SMG, she's just most often the straight-man to another's Jerry Lewis. We'll see. I'm just kinda disappointed that she's gonna be on SNL, it's such a bad show. I know it used to kick serious booty, but it's just not funny anymore. Here's hoping Sarah can bring something cool to it. Kate Keeper of: lil'Buffy's Nerf Dartboard, Cordelia's Barbie Dream Car, WIllow's Library Explosion. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 11:32:10 -0800 From: LMCGOWEN@pacbell.net Subject: Re: BUFFY: SMG in AMC / Lucci I just wanted to add that when I met a star from AMC (James Kibred who Plays Trevor Dillon) somebody in the crowd asked him how Susan Lucci was in real life and all he would say is that she is that she is just like Erica Cain. That doesnt exactly sound like a good thing about Lucci to me. Cori - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:20:55 EST From: JRoseHale Subject: BUFFY: Buffy's name This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_883941660_boundary Content-ID: <0_883941660@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 98-01-03 21:55:15 EST, smurfette_aussie@hotmail.com writes: << Buffy a nickname for Elizabeth?? :) I'm sorry, but that's so wierd!! Where did that come from I wonder... Elizabeth...hmm... >> Maybe a form of "Bethy" or "Betty" or something? I grew up with girls named "Buffy" and "Muffy"--they came from the same families that named their sons "Biff" and "Skip" (no offense to any Skips, Biffs, or Muffys on the list). I think it was a 1970s preppie thing. ObBuffy: I spent the morning watching "What's My Line" parts one and two. I still love those episodes--the part where Buffy talks about how she can't worry about normal-girl things but has to think about "combat tactics, beheadings ... not exactly the stuff that dreams are made of" always breaks my heart. I do think it's interesting that Buffy and the gang kind of forget about Spike and Dru underneath that collapsed organ (?) at the end. It might have been a little more convincing if she went to double-check that they were dead, and they had already wiggled away. But then we wouldn't have that dramatic moment of scary Drusilla carrying Spike out of the church ... Jennifer Hale jrosehale@aol.com http://members.aol.com/jrosehale/page/jrhale.htm - --part0_883941660_boundary Content-ID: <0_883941660@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay28.mail.aol.com (relay28.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.28]) by air18.mail.aol.com (v37.8) with SMTP; Sat, 03 Jan 1998 21:55:15 -0500 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by relay28.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id VAA07593; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:51:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.73 #4) id 0xog9H-0004AL-00; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:50:47 -0700 Received: from mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22] by lists.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.73 #4) id 0xog9E-0004A6-00; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:50:44 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com [207.82.250.153] by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.73 #4) id 0xog9D-0000GZ-00; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:50:44 -0700 Received: (qmail 19601 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 1998 02:49:42 -0000 Message-ID: <19980104024942.19600.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 156.56.120.152 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 03 Jan 1998 18:49:42 PST X-Originating-IP: [156.56.120.152] From: "Jessica Ritchie" To: 75211.522@compuserve.com, grandnagus@juno.com Cc: buffy@xmission.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy's name Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 18:49:42 PST Sender: owner-buffy@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Jessica Ritchie" Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Buffy a nickname for Elizabeth?? :) I'm sorry, but that's so wierd!! Where did that come from I wonder... Elizabeth...hmm... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - - --part0_883941660_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:29:40 EST From: FReDxMeRTz Subject: Re: BUFFY: CINEFANTASTIQUE Hi, I was wondering if anyone could tell me for sure which CINEFANTASTIQUE it is that has all the BtVS stuff in it, is it Vol. 29 #11 ? Thanks ! - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:55:09 -0800 (PST) From: Sonja Marie Subject: BUFFY: Any One Noticed and Any New Buffy Web Sites? Hi all, I just got ahold of "Coyote Moon" New Year's Day and I've noticed that the continuity is off already, as in the fact that the previous book took place in fall (Oct) and this one is taking place in Summer (maybe Aug), did the writer decide to skip half a year or just back track? It would be nice if they kept on a time line or something. ALSO!... I'm updating my Buffy Links Page tomorrow and was wondering if there was anyone with a new page or a page that isn't listed that I can add. If you have a new page or a page not listed PLEASE check the site first, cause I may have it already, so go to: http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/7728/btvsurls.html And IF it's NOT listed, email me the URL *PRIVATELY* (as in NOT to the Mailing List!), and I'll add it, otherwise you'll have to wait till next Monday. Pages I list: For the show For the characters For the actors (Even non-Buffy related ones, hence why there are some VR5 sites on the page for Anthony) Quotes, AVI's, Sounds, etc Miscellany Also email me if you are interested in the following: The Anthony Stewart Head Mailing List The Buffy Beta Fanfic Mailing List The Giles' Appreciation Society Panters (if you don't know what that is you haven't been here long enough :D). Danke! Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html Owner of the Jeff Fahey, Paul Wylie, Anthony S. Head, & Buffy-Beta Lists Pres. of Giles' Appreciation Society Panters - GASP!- Keeper of Coats & Ties Anthony Stewart Head (Giles-BTVS) To Me About What Fans Sent Him in the Mail: "Fair amount of lingerie, yeah, all of which I tried, none of which fitted" - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 12:08:47 PST From: "Jessica Ritchie" Subject: Re: BUFFY: May the Force be with you. Hey cool! I'm not the only starwars nut... Where would everybody else fit in? Angel could be Han Solo... or well, I dunno... It's something to think about. Randomness... Jessica ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:51:02 EST From: BlkPhoenix Subject: BUFFY: B:tVS movie (w/Kristy Swanson), State By State Hiya, I was looking through the TV guide and thought those in the NY/NJ area might want to know that the original Buffy movie with Kristy Swanson is being repeated this Saturday (1/10) on channel 5 at 2pm. Also, come on by the Buffy State by State, the general layout of the page has changed slightly, we've moved to frames so there's always a link back to the Buffy page and the other pages on the site: come take a gander, we now have 128 fans listed! http://www.geocities.com/~lilmouse - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 12:10:39 PST From: "Jessica Ritchie" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Charisma Carpenter I think Charisma will be on the show - that is I've seen that on another Buffy page. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 15:11:08 -0500 From: Annie Subject: Re: BUFFY: Saturday Night Live possible skits Jessica Ritchie wrote: > > I think Claire Danes is probably more shy and introspective than SMG is > in person, which is probably why she wasn't the best on SNL. You know, I always thought that SMG was pretty shy, because of many interviews, especially the one in Rolling Stone she seems to really clam up. I don't know. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:34:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeff R. Harris" Subject: Re: BUFFY: SMG's attitude On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Angel11261 wrote: > to do that? If anyone has anything else to add, please do. I'm trying to > form a solid opinion of SMG, and I'm hoping that it is going to be a good one. > > Angel11261 > You should try to track down the first article TV Guide did on the show.In it Alyson tells about how during the filming of the first season she had to have her tonsils taken out. When she woke up from surgery Sarah was sitting at her bedside, and had apperently been there the whole time. The article went on to say that that was the way SMG alwasys was, trying to take care of everyone. Jeff - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:04:54 EST From: S E Caban Subject: Re: BUFFY: Spike's sire In a message dated 98-01-04 14:59:07 EST, you write: In a message dated 98-01-03 20:34:22 EST, you write: >This keeps coming up...but, didn't Joss say at a convention that Angel >made > Dru and Dru made Spike? BUT Angel is still Spike's *Sire* since the term > refers to the line of vampires from which a vampire originates. So, > Angel > would be Spike's *grandsire.* Or am I wrong about this? You are correct because Joss told us on the PB. He explained that they are within the line. Spike is like a grandson to angel. Just check the PB if you don't believe me. SE - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 15:15:58 EST From: fun-ee@juno.com (fu nee) Subject: BUFFY: Beg to differ Little Ladies! (Diane, Preta, Sandra) "My name be buried where my body is, And live no more to shame nor me nor you, For I am shamed by that which I bring forth, And so should you, to love things nothing worth." -- Sonnet 72, Edward DeVere aka Shakespeare God, I love that 'Beg to differ...' line by Ted! Hilarious! I couldn't wait for the opportunity to use it. Doesn't it look o so special up there in the subject heading? (: Anyway, Joss Whedon did a magnificent job of creating Buffy the Vampire Slayer. He has brought to life the story of a 17-year old teenage girl who is part high school student/part killer of all manner of evil things. While it is possible for him to write about a teenage girl even though he is not one, the ordinary mundane aspects of high school life, single parent children, teenage growing pains, etc. are known and common to everyone. Besides, knowing the intelligent people that Anthony Head and Joss Whedon are, I wouldn't be too surprised that they are hardcore Oxfordians. What the rather poorly educated, coarse and practically illiterate (mis-spelled his signature on his will) Shakespeare of historical repute is supposed to have done is an impossibility. Commoners during the time of Shakespeare did not have the education (such as De Vere did at Oxford and Cambridge), nor the inside knowledge and familiarity with royal inner court intrigue/speech, etc. to write with any degree of eloquence, authenticity or quality that the real Shakespeare did. Many literary greats believed that De Vere was Shakespeare. Notables such as Mark Twain, Vladimir Nabokov, James Joyce, Henry James, Walt Whitman, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Orson Welles, Sigmund Freud, Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Sir John Gielgud, Charles, Dickens, and the list goes on and on. I don't want to go on about this because it would be getting too off topic, but they recently within the last several years, turned up Edward DeVere's bible, and wouldn't you know it? All through his bible there are hundreds of specific passages underlined and notated corresponding EXACTLY to the references in Shakespeare's work. It is simply a matter of time before a lost portrait, further documented evidence turns up and the encyclopedias and history books will be officially revised: "Edward DeVere, pen name 'Shakespeare'". fun-ee "His name is protean. He begets doubles at every corner. His penmanship is unconsciously faked by lawyers who happen to write a similar hand. On the wet morning of November 27, 1582, he is Shaxpere and she is a Wately of Temple Grafton. A couple of days later he is Shagsper and she is a Hathaway of Stratford-on-Avon. Who is he? William X, cunningly composed of two left arms and a mask. Who else? The person who said (not for the first time) that the glory of God is to hide a thing, and the glory of man is to find it. However, the fact that the Warwickshire fellow wrote the plays is most satisfactorily proved on the strength of an *applehohn* and a pale primrose." -- from Bend Sinister by Vladimir Nabokov - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 12:17:53 PST From: "Jessica Ritchie" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Saturday Night Live possible skits I never read the Rolling Stone interview with SMG so I wouldn't know, but she doesn't seem to me that she'd be very shy... but heck, who knows?? Jessica ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:02:24 EST From: TS Bear Subject: BUFFY: Alyson was on... The disney channel today, on a sitcom called "The Torkelsons" She played "Sam" =) Just to let you know! Christine http://members.aol.com/TSBear/buffy.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:13:44 EST From: TS Bear Subject: BUFFY: Today is the last day to vote for YOUR fav. Vamp! So far, these are the results: 1. Angel - 142 votes 2. Darla - 92 votes 3. Drusilla - 47 votes 4. Spike - 43 votes 5. The Master - 2 (poor guy) If you haven't voted yet, visit the lair of Buffy sometime within the next few hours and cast your vote! http://members.aol.com/TSBear/buffy.html Final results will be announced on Sunday Night!! Preview::NEXT WEEKS poll:::: Who is Buffy's betrayer??? Start Voting on Monday! Christine webmistress of the Lair of Buffy: http://members.aol.com/TSBear/buffy.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 15:30:40 -0500 From: Lawless Subject: Re: BUFFY: CINEFANTASTIQUE preta@earthlink.net wrote: > This may solve one question, about Bruce Seth Green and Seth > Green, > either in the interview or with a picture. Joss did say something in > person that they were not father/son, however since I cannot remember > his > exact wording, he might have been playing clever word games. > Uncle/nephew? Bruce Seth Green and Seth Green are not related in any way. It's just a coincidence. Lawless - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 15:39:22 -0500 From: Lawless Subject: Re: BUFFY: SMG's attitude Angel11261 wrote: > I have a problem here. Okay, let's analyze the facts. TV Guide, > although > it was not apparently a quote, told of Sarah's whining. Rumors have > it that > SMG left AMC because of her attitude. One of her colleagues has said > that she > is not always exactly sweet. Rumors also have it that Richard Gere likes gerbils, even though it's a preposterous idea and not one single person has been able to provide any evidence toward it. It's just that the more you hear something the more you begin to believe it. Sarah left AMC because her character was written down from appearing on the show every day to about once a week if she was lucky. She didn't like not working and having nothing to do all day, plus she wanted to try film, so she quit. Susan Lucci had nothing to do with it. She wouldn't quit a successful show just because of problems with one of the actors who they had stopped doing scenes with anyway. Besides, Susan's already stated that the problems on the set were mainly her (Susan's) fault. I don't know anything about the Ted Casablanca story. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 16:08:23 -0500 From: Virginia Foster Subject: Re: BUFFY: May the Force be with you. >MR MARK A WENTWORTH wrote: >> >> Has anyone else noticed a parallel between BtVS and Star Wars? RyDiNi agreed: >Yes i see the resemblance....But it relates more directly to the >Arthurian Legends! > To begin with, these type of resemblances come because Star Wars, King Arthur and many other legends are based on the simple scenario of Good vs Evil. Star Wars (which I am totally obsessed with) is actually a very simple story. Good (Luke Skywalker) vs Evil (Empire). It wasn't until the later movies that the lines became blurry as to who and what was good and evil. The lines are definitely blurred in Arthurian legends. Did Guinevere and Lancelot betray Arthur? Buffy may be heading in that direction. Just how good is Angel? By equating Buffy to Guinevere, does that mean she may betray one of the Slayerettes? and no... Angel is no Han Solo. Not by a long shot. So you can come up with endless combination of movies and stories to equate to Buffy. Just look for any story that is basically a tale of Good vs Evil. virginia GASP, Keeper of Giles' Crystal Co-Director Highlander Programming at DragonCon '98 Virginia Foster *** PWFC: Let Friendship Thrive vfoster@mindspring.com ** http://www.mindspring.com/~vfoster/va.html "After only a month with Han Solo, the Wookie was perfectly aware that human females almost invariably found the Corellian attractive." "The Hutt Gambit" by A.C. Crispin - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:13:17 EST From: S E Caban Subject: Re: BUFFY: Saturday Night Live possible skits In a message dated 98-01-04 16:10:37 EST, you write: > You know, I always thought that SMG was pretty shy, because of many >interviews, especially the one in Rolling Stone she seems to really clam > up. I don't know. Actually i listened to her talk before on the comp as in actually hearing and waiting for her voice to download she sounded like a very confident sounding women. SE - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:04:22 -0800 From: preta@earthlink.net Subject: Re: BUFFY: Beg to differ Little Ladies! (Diane, Preta, Sandra) Beg to differ little man. (Love that line too.) Shakespeare is peripheral. Besides, just because a lot of people believe something does not make it true. If that were the case, all the people through the ages that believed that the earth was flat and the universe revolved around the earth would have caused it to happen. A good writer, like Joss, is a good writer; after all how ubiquitous are hellmouths, vampires, demons etc? Not to mention Aliens? Joss is not just regurgitating popular culture, he is commenting on it and being entertaining at the same time. Now back to our regularly scheduled list. Preta preta@earthlink.net *** Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 16:01:46 -0600 From: "joy v. cantrelle" Subject: BUFFY: angel >Preta
>Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes

hey, i can read that. after 3 years of latin, i should be able to.

ObBuffy: i was rewatching "never kill a boy on the first date" and i noticed a scene where xander is telling buffy that giles is in trouble and she has to end her date to help him. she replies "bite me" and then imediately looks at angel. NKABOTFD was aired before "angel", right? do you think that was a clue to angel being a vampire. just a thought.

ashley - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:21:10 EST From: Buffy606 Subject: BUFFY: Buffy's name-MY name Hi everyone. I'm new to the mailing list but I was reading what you were saying about Buffy's name and if that was a nickname or not. But my name is Buffy(for real, I'm not just saying that because it's my fave T.V. show, it is my real name) and it's not a nickname or anything for me. I've always been called Buffy....and for me, at least, it's not short for Elizabeth or Rebecca or anything. It might be for other people but I don't know, not for me. Just wanted to tell ya! Buffy - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:06:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeff R. Harris" Subject: Re: BUFFY: May the Force be with you. On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Virginia Foster wrote: > > So you can come up with endless combination of movies and > stories to equate to Buffy. Just look for any story that is > basically a tale of Good vs Evil. > I'd take that even one step further. Both the legend of Arthur and Star Wars follow what is sometimes called the hero's quest, Which I think was detailed in one of Joseph Campbell's books. It usually starts with a hero being chosen and finding a mentor. At first the hero rejects the quest, but circumstances force them to accept it. they then begin the quest and along the way aquire allies. Then is the first confrontation with the enemy, in which the hero is defeated,and sometimes betrayed. The hero then goes through a period of self doubt and isolation. The final stage is the hero finally accepting there role and defeating the enemy. In a lot of ways that discribes the whole firest season. Or I'm blathering. Jeff - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:50:10 EST From: SUGARMAG77 Subject: Re: BUFFY: SMG's attitude Are we really entertaining the mindless ramblings of a gossip columnist? He gets paid to trash people, and kudos if they're thought to be nice. Let's give up the ghost. Kate Keeper of: lil'Buffy's Nerf Dartboard, Cordelia's Barbie Dream Car, Willow's Library Explosion - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:59:07 -0400 From: Lisa Krakowka Subject: BUFFY: Re: May the force be with you.... Mark noted: >Has anyone else noticed a parallel between BtVS and Star Wars? >We have Buffy Summers/Luke Skywalker, the Master/Darth Vader, >Giles/Yoda? >The Slayer is the Rebal Alliance and the Vampires are the Evil, >Gallactic Empire. >Please tell me that it's not just me. And someone else said: >Yes i see the resemblance....But it relates more directly to the >Arthurian Legends! > >BUFFY=GUENEVERE(GOOD PERSON) >XANDER=ARTHUR(GOOD PERSON) >ANGEL=LANCELOT(GOOD BUT CAUSES BAD) >GILES=MERLIN >CORDY=Gawains Wife >OZ=Gawain >WILLOW=ISEOULT >SPIKE=MOrdred >DRU=Morgana Well, there's a reason for this...it's called Archetypal Plot. As in...the battle between Good and Evil is the root for just about every story ever written and the character of the Hero has certain qualities that are *always* present. Lucas consulted with Joseph Campell the Athropologist (and reknowned for his knowledge about folklore and myth) when he was writing the Star Wars movies. All the archetypes are there on purpose. He crafted the tale very deliberately. While I'm sure that Joss Wheadon is equally concerned with the quality of his writing, I doubt that he has speaking to the mythic undercurrents of our society as an agenda. You can compare Star Wars to Arthuriana to Buffy in that they all fit the classic tales of Good and Evil and therefor the characters each have a set role to play within the confines of the story. Personally, as an Arthurian Lore-ist, I wouldn't draw many parallels between Buffy and Arthuriana. You can certainly equate characters across the genres, but the actual plot lines and *stories* are only alike in that they run the basic line of archetype. There is more to Arthur than the surface tales of chivalric code and questing for the Grail--and that depth doesn't really match the depth there is under the surface plots of Buffy. Lisa (Yseault?)(Never in a million years would I equate Willow with *Yseault*!)(Who is her Tristam?)(They go hand in hand, you know) - -- LC Krakowka liser@lightlink.com "Knowledge comes by eyes always open and working hard, and there is no knowledge that is not power."-Jeremy Taylor - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:54:55 EST From: SUGARMAG77 Subject: Re: BUFFY: Saturday Night Live possible skits << You know, I always thought that SMG was pretty shy, >> Hmmm...that would certainly be a change from the time she took an interviewer bra shopping... Kate Keeper of Lil'Buffy's Nerf Dartboard Keeper of Cordelia's Barbie Dream Car Keeper of Willow's Library Explosion - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:00:02 EST From: SUGARMAG77 Subject: Re: BUFFY: angel Actually, I think Angel came before NKABOTFD. They'd decided to keep away from each other. Kate Keeper of: Lil'Buffy's Nerf Dartboard, Cordelia's Barbie Dream Car, Willow's Library Explosion - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:40:06 EST From: SUGARMAG77 Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Saturday Night Live Possible Skits That's a really cool idea, and very funny. Unfortunately I don't think that the guys at SNL are that creative anymore. Kate Keeeper of : Lil'Buffy's Nerf Dartboard, Cordelia's Barbie Dream Car, Willow's Library Explosion - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:15:53 +0000 From: northcat@juno.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: angel On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:00:02 EST SUGARMAG77 writes: >Actually, I think Angel came before NKABOTFD. They'd decided to keep >away >from each other. I believe NKABOTFD came before Angel. I haven't watched it in awhile, but I'm pretty sure Buffy didn't know Angel was a vampire. I'll try to rewatch to figure it out. Northcat-GASPer, keeper of Giles' office - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:02:36 EST From: TS Bear Subject: BUFFY: Who is your fav. Vamp. results!!! Angel - 142 Darla - 92 Drusilla - 47 Spike - 43 The Master - 2 Congratulations Angel! We love you!! THIS WEEKS POLL: Who is Buffy's betrayer in the upcoming two parter??? VOTE NOW!!! http://members.aol.com/TSBear/buffy.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 21:33:05 -0500 From: "Kim Sefcik" Subject: BUFFY: Should Buffy use protection? WARNING WILL ROBINSON, DANGER - AP Bio student showing off in following post - - DANGER DANGER! Kate sed: > >I don't think so. Something about the lack of their own blood leads me to >believe that they certainly couldn't carry AIDS. Their cells are already >dead, all of them. Well . . . if you're an FK person it's not AIDS but the "cure" that Angel's gotta be concerned about. But still, this brings up an interesting question (get ready folks, she's on a roll) First off: Someone mentioned earlier that since vamps don't breathe that's why they need to drink blood - to replace the deoxygenated blood that they used. Uh? How can that be? If vamps are dead as doorknobs then they don't *need* to reoxygenate blood because oxygen is used in ATP synthesis, but if vamps aren't alive then they don't generate ATP (the basis of energy which performs life functions). (okay, okay, so I'm showing off now - but haven't been on-list for two months, gimmie a break). So then the big mystery is: if vamps don't need oxygen 'cause they're dead - then what's the blood for? Well, the purpose of blood is to carry O2 to the mitochondria of various cells so that the cells can perform life-giving function. So therefore if vamps can't breathe and are physically, clinically dead then they shouldn't need blood, right? Okay then, hold that thought and follow me. What the sex ed teacher would tell Buffy: Okay now honey, first off, do you know what AIDS is? AIDS is (or, specially, HIV) a virus. If that virus is present in the blood that your partner ingests before you have intercourse then you could get infected if you were to come in contact with that infected blood. So, let's say Angel was careful and only drank cow blood for a week (great, now Buffy has to worry about mad cow disease). Buffy still has a problem . . . 'member that thought I told you to hang on to? Good. Then let's keep going - I think that the major question is - are vamps actually *dead* in the traditional sense of the word? If they are actually, physically *dead* then there is no way that the virus could use existing cells to replicate and they would die out as the old blood passed through the vamps' system. But that still begs the question - why then, *do* vamps need blood? As I said before, the major purpose of blood is to carry oxygen to the mitochondria of the cells. But if vamps don't breathe, then they have no way replenishing their O2 level and have to get the oxygenated blood from other creatures. But, well, gee, since its seems that vamps *do* need oxygen after all (they just have the rather inconvenient problem of not being able to breathe) that would mean that vamps are actually *gasp* (hi Sonja) ALIVE! (IT'S ALIVE! ALIVE!)(BWahahahahaaha) So, if vamps are even sorta alive (ie, cells are undergoing respiration), then the HIV virus could replicate and be passed on to Buffy when they "do to do" (or whatever). kimmie (next week on Buffy: The Vampire Slayer)(Angel takes a trip to the drug store) ________ Kim Sefcik, Richie Reservist (Clan Denial) ~ MFWC & PWFC ~ Wombat Extraordinare Chancer ~ Cousin ~ Early Edition Lover and Yet Another Bleepin' X-Phile Keeper of Giles' Past / Keeper of Angel's Lower Undergarments Secretary of the GASPers / Maintainer of the "Strange Luck" FAQ "I am Richie Ryan of the Clan... wait, can we try that again?" - - ------------------------------ End of buffy-digest V2 #7 ************************* To subscribe to buffy or buffy-digest, send the command subscribe buffy-digest or subscribe buffy to majordomo@xmission.com. You will need to go through a confirmation process, and the listowners have to manually approve your subscription request, so it may take some time. 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