From: Jeff Lowe Subject: (cdc) Lord Tarkesh Date: 06 Jan 2000 13:48:46 -0700 I need Lord Tarkesh's E-mail Address. Stat. Jurgi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeseretMail" Subject: Re: (cdc) Lord Tarkesh Date: 07 Jan 2000 07:59:30 -0700 tearlgra@aol.col Think of Jean-Luc Picard saying, "Tea, Earl Grey, hot" to the replicator. Sorry I didn't get this earlier Landolf ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- Reply-To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > >I need Lord Tarkesh's E-mail Address. > >Stat. > >Jurgi > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeseretMail" Subject: Re: (cdc) Lord Tarkesh Date: 07 Jan 2000 08:10:47 -0700 That should be: tearlgra@aol.com Landolf (I just washed my hands and can't do a thing with them) ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- Reply-To: cdc@lists.xmission.com >tearlgra@aol.col > >Think of Jean-Luc Picard saying, "Tea, Earl Grey, hot" to the replicator. > >Sorry I didn't get this earlier >Landolf > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Jeff Lowe >Reply-To: cdc@lists.xmission.com >Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 13:48:46 -0700 > >> >>I need Lord Tarkesh's E-mail Address. >> >>Stat. >> >>Jurgi >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: Re: (cdc) Lord Tarkesh Date: 07 Jan 2000 08:50:15 -0700 thanks. I am going to try to get three shield blanks. Jurgi DeseretMail wrote: > That should be: tearlgra@aol.com > > Landolf > (I just washed my hands and can't do a thing with them) > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "DeseretMail" > Reply-To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 100 07:59:30 -0700 > > >tearlgra@aol.col > > > >Think of Jean-Luc Picard saying, "Tea, Earl Grey, hot" to the replicator. > > > >Sorry I didn't get this earlier > >Landolf > > > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > >From: Jeff Lowe > >Reply-To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > >Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 13:48:46 -0700 > > > >> > >>I need Lord Tarkesh's E-mail Address. > >> > >>Stat. > >> > >>Jurgi > >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Chabries" Subject: (cdc) Roof Date: 07 Jan 2000 08:10:32 PST For any one out there who cares, or realizes we have been without one WE HAVE A ROOF!!!! Rand ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Chabries" Subject: Re: (cdc) Lord Tarkesh Date: 07 Jan 2000 08:15:06 PST Going along with the Jean-Luc/Star Trek theme, shouldn't that be "Shield Banks?" I don't know how much longer I can hold 'er tgether Cap'm. Have Fun, Rand ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeseretMail" Subject: Re: (cdc) Roof Date: 07 Jan 2000 13:43:14 -0700 >For any one out there who cares, or realizes we have been without one > >WE HAVE A ROOF!!!! I would have thought Kaiser could have supplied you with one of those. > >Rand Landolf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeseretMail" Subject: Re: (cdc) Lord Tarkesh Date: 07 Jan 2000 13:45:08 -0700 >Going along with the Jean-Luc/Star Trek theme, >shouldn't that be "Shield Banks?" No, that's phaser banks. Geez, get it right or pay the price. >I don't know how much longer I can hold 'er tgether Cap'm. > >Have Fun, >Rand >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Chabries" Subject: Re: (cdc) Roof Date: 07 Jan 2000 13:20:24 PST Provide? Only if he stands over us, but if he gets wet, he has that awful wet dog smell. Yuck! Rand ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Chabries" Subject: Re: (cdc) Lord Tarkesh Date: 07 Jan 2000 13:22:49 PST I didn't know phasers were period! Can I play with those now? Laser Tag Harvest War, here we come!!! (How much interest do you get at a phaser bank?) Rand ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: (cdc) German officers boots Date: 10 Jan 2000 09:38:26 -0700 I am making an order for german officers boots that I use to fight in. I have a pair and have been fighting in them for over four years. I usually wear a size nine and had to go to a size 9 1\2. let me know your size and pay me back on wed. They are $22.00 Thanks Jurgi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Merrill C. Pugmire" Subject: (cdc) apologies Date: 10 Jan 2000 10:10:40 -0700 Unto the Shire of Cote du Ciel does Lord Angus send greetings. As I previouslly mentionioned at fighter practice, there was a possibility that mundane work obligations would prevent me from attending for a while. This has come about. I will not be able to attend a fighter practice until June at the earliest. In adition, I find, much to my sorrow, that I am not able to comit the time necessary to fill the Heralds office, which I have already told HL Grainne. We are open for anybody who would be interested in filling this position. I would like to remain on as a deputy, and would be more than willing to continue consultations and anything else in that position. Despite not being able to attend FP, I still consider myself a member of the Shire, and would like to be kept informed of events in the Shire. If Jurgi--or anybody else for that matter--holds an armoring or fighting afternoon on a weekend, please let me know! If anybody wants to suit up and practice on a weekend, let me know! If the shire decides to put in an order for rattan, let me know, I need 3-4 sticks. Thanks for your understanding Angus ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gina Garvin" Date: 10 Jan 2000 09:53:20 PST Ack! No herald! Is anyone interested in this position? Lord Angus will be sorely missed. Lady Isabell? Are you interested? We are running out of people to fill positions! Rand..have you ever heard of air fresheners? I'm sure is Kaiser has enough tied to him, he'd smell okay! Grainne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tiffany Dillemuth" Subject: Re: (cdc) Roof Date: 10 Jan 2000 09:53:36 PST Yay!!! Glad to hear you have a roof!! Camilla ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: (cdc) Re: Date: 10 Jan 2000 11:00:20 -0700 I am trying to talk Nicholas into applying for the position. Jurgi Gina Garvin wrote: > Ack! No herald! Is anyone interested in this position? Lord Angus will be > sorely missed. Lady Isabell? Are you interested? We are running out of > people to fill positions! > Rand..have you ever heard of air fresheners? I'm sure is Kaiser has > enough tied to him, he'd smell okay! > Grainne > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cody-Gon Jinn" Subject: (cdc) Hail Friends Date: 10 Jan 2000 12:15:09 MST I must say, I was sad that I didn't get to see any of you when I returned for the christmas holiday. I was quite busy, but Motoharu (Andrew) and myself, stopped by the last wednesday I was there, but alas, nobody was there. In either case, how are things going? I still haven't heard who is the new champion...ah well, I will return for good soon. Talk to you all later. -Cody (Ichtaro) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Chabries" Subject: Re: (cdc) German officers boots Date: 10 Jan 2000 12:12:05 PST Can't get you the money by Wed., is there any way I could order them myself? Have Fun, Rand ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Chabries" Subject: (cdc) Re: Date: 10 Jan 2000 12:19:48 PST Yea, but if those things got wet and matted into his fur we'd have real problems. I don't know if anything can totally get out the smell of wet dog. Have Fun, Rand ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Chabries" Subject: Re: (cdc) Roof Date: 10 Jan 2000 12:20:51 PST Thanks, How are things in Omaha? Rand ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: Re: (cdc) German officers boots Date: 10 Jan 2000 14:45:56 -0700 From a company called Sportsmans Guide. 1-800-888-3006 (to order) or on line at www.sportsmansguide.com German Oficers boots AXOM-13182X $19.97 + S.H. from catalogue 76549 Jurgi Randy Chabries wrote: > Can't get you the money by Wed., is there any way I could order them myself? > Have Fun, > Rand > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: Re: (cdc) German officers boots Date: 10 Jan 2000 14:58:39 -0700 > From a company called Sportsmans Guide. 1-800-888-3006 (to order) or on line at > www.sportsmansguide.com > > German Oficers boots AXOM-13182X $19.97 + S.H. from catalogue 76549 > Judging from the website, the only sizes available are 8, 8.5, and 9. Rebecca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Chabries" Subject: Re: (cdc) German officers boots Date: 11 Jan 2000 06:53:07 PST I take an 8, works for me! THanks, Jurgi Rand ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gina Garvin" Date: 12 Jan 2000 09:30:38 PST I think Kaiser would look great with tons of little brightly colored air fresheners all over. Very festive! Landolf, are you bringing music to dance practice this evening? Let me know if I need to pick it up or anything. Thanks Grainne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeseretMail" Subject: (cdc) Message-Id: <20000112112015.SM00205@mail.deseretmail.com> Date: 12 Jan 2000 11:20:37 -0700 >Landolf, are you bringing music to dance practice this evening? Let me know >if I need to pick it up or anything. Thanks >Grainne I'll be there with the minstrels. Landolf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Chabries" Subject: (cdc) Re: Date: 12 Jan 2000 11:57:02 PST Kaiser don't do "festive!" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Chabries" Subject: Re: (cdc) Message-Id: <20000112112015.SM00205@mail.deseretmail.com> Date: 12 Jan 2000 12:03:59 PST Does Rebecca know you are picking up on minstrels? Rand ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: Re: (cdc) Message-Id: <20000112112015.SM00205@mail.deseretmail.c Date: 12 Jan 2000 13:25:59 -0700 > Does Rebecca know you are picking up on minstrels? > Rebecca ignores Landolf's extra-curricular activities. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeseretMail" Subject: Re: (cdc) Message-Id: <20000112112015.SM00205@mail.deseretmail.c Date: 12 Jan 2000 15:21:24 -0700 >> Does Rebecca know you are picking up on minstrels? >Rebecca ignores Landolf's extra-curricular activities. That's true, but my curriculum is centered around Rebecca. I don't have too much time for extra-curricular activities. Landolf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tiffany Dillemuth" Subject: (cdc) The adventures of Camilla & Arkasha in Omaha Date: 12 Jan 2000 15:51:40 PST Hi everyone! Well, we're finally setling in here in Nebraska. You may have heard that we decided to go on a short vacation to Michigan... It turned out to be over a month long, and we ended up driving to Florida before we came home!! We've been home since just before Christmas and we're scrambling like mad to get our resumes out there, so we can make some money!! :) I attended the local barony's Twelfth Night event last weekend, but it just wasn't the same. I recognized a few faces and that's all. We miss you all! Camilla & Arkasha ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: (cdc) rivets Date: 13 Jan 2000 07:46:08 -0700 Last night there was a box of rivets on the stage. I thought Lynnette or Nicholas had taken them for me, as I was the last person out. Did they, per chance, find their way home with any of you? They are rascals, and can easily be hiding from me. Thanks, Jurgi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Chabries" Subject: Re: (cdc) Message-Id: <20000112112015.SM00205@mail.deseretmail.c Date: 13 Jan 2000 09:06:39 PST If the curricular activities are centered on Rebecca, who are the extra-curricular ones centered on? Rand ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Chabries" Subject: Re: (cdc) rivets Date: 13 Jan 2000 09:10:04 PST What you didn't know is that I am rivets-rights activist! I set them all free, rather than allow their inhumane treatment! No more rivet experimentation! No more chopping them up and beating on them with hammers! Rivets have rights too! Long live the Fasteners! Rand ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gina Garvin" Subject: (cdc) announcements Date: 13 Jan 2000 09:51:36 PST I thought it might be a good idea to post some of the announcements here, since I know a number of people can't always make it to fighter's practice but would still like to keep up to date and can make it to weekend activities. So here are the announcements from dance practice, Jan. 12. Mistress Lynette has started taking volunteers for Ren Fair, Apr 29?(correct me if I have the wrong date). She especially needs help with publicity before the actual day. Contact her for more information. There is a Whittier Open house Jan 22, 2-6. We have the chance to set up a display table. Good publicity here! There are a few offices open: exchequer, chiurgen, and herald. Lord Angus would like to continue consulting as herald as he has learned a great deal. There have been several people talk to me for these positions, if you are one of them, don't panic! There just hasn't been any major decisions yet. Speaking of offices, I need the doomsday reports (and regular monthly reports) as soon as you get them done. I am available to recieve them on paper, by email, or you can just tell me. The kingdom marshalate is revising the handbook and authorizations. Fighter's may need to re authorize. Lord Raven desperately needs articles or ideas for articles. I have been slacking here, but I'm sending out a challenge. I dare the shire populace to send in more artricles than me. Lord Raven, I'll be sending a few your way as soon as I can get them written. May 20, the Pembroke Company is planning a benefit event for Somerville at Somerville. More info will be available later. And that is it. Thank you for your patience if you've already heard these. I hope they will be helpful. In Service, Grainne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: Re: (cdc) rivets Date: 13 Jan 2000 10:31:22 -0700 You Doughty Head! A fastener is not a fastener unless it holds something together, thus fulfilling it's creation and having joy in it's purpose. Jurgi Randy Chabries wrote: > What you didn't know is that I am rivets-rights activist! I set them all > free, rather than allow their inhumane treatment! No more rivet > experimentation! No more chopping them up and beating on them with hammers! > Rivets have rights too! > > Long live the Fasteners! > > Rand > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bartholomew Hightower" Subject: Re: (cdc) announcements Date: 13 Jan 2000 10:50:44 -0800 Thanks Grainne! ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 9:51 AM > I thought it might be a good idea to post some of the announcements here, [snippage] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: Re: (cdc) announcements Date: 13 Jan 2000 11:06:09 -0700 > Mistress Lynette has started taking volunteers for Ren Fair, Apr > 29?(correct me if I have the wrong date). She especially needs help with > publicity before the actual day. Contact her for more information. The date is April 15 and it will be held at the Whittier Center this year. > There is a Whittier Open house Jan 22, 2-6. We have the chance to set up > a display table. Good publicity here! It would be a good idea to have some mini flyers advertising the Renaissance Faire to hand out at this open house. Also, Landolf and I are doing a demo for our son's school class next week. Could a poster be worked up in time to hand out to his class on the 14th? Rebecca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bartholomew Hightower" Subject: Re: (cdc) announcements Date: 13 Jan 2000 11:55:37 -0800 The 14th? Tomorrow? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 10:06 AM > > Mistress Lynette has started taking volunteers for Ren Fair, Apr > > 29?(correct me if I have the wrong date). She especially needs help with > > publicity before the actual day. Contact her for more information. > > The date is April 15 and it will be held at the Whittier Center this > year. > > > There is a Whittier Open house Jan 22, 2-6. We have the chance to set up > > a display table. Good publicity here! > > It would be a good idea to have some mini flyers advertising the > Renaissance Faire to hand out at this open house. Also, Landolf and > I are doing a demo for our son's school class next week. Could a > poster be worked up in time to hand out to his class on the 14th? > > Rebecca > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cody-Gon Jinn" Subject: Re: (cdc) announcements Date: 13 Jan 2000 12:19:12 MST I could tell everyone out here in California, but I don't think that it would help much... -Ichtaro, cody >From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" >Reply-To: cdc@lists.xmission.com >To: cdc@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: (cdc) announcements >Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:06:09 -0700 > > > Mistress Lynette has started taking volunteers for Ren Fair, Apr > > 29?(correct me if I have the wrong date). She especially needs help >with > > publicity before the actual day. Contact her for more information. > >The date is April 15 and it will be held at the Whittier Center this >year. > > > There is a Whittier Open house Jan 22, 2-6. We have the chance to set >up > > a display table. Good publicity here! > >It would be a good idea to have some mini flyers advertising the >Renaissance Faire to hand out at this open house. Also, Landolf and >I are doing a demo for our son's school class next week. Could a >poster be worked up in time to hand out to his class on the 14th? > >Rebecca > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Chabries" Subject: Re: (cdc) rivets Date: 13 Jan 2000 12:01:05 PST You meanie! I will spray-paint all your joints! That is just an excuse for the use and abuse of otherwise happy fasteners that deserve to roam free! They may even take up with pancakes if given the chance! They may join with rivers and become rivulets! The possibilities are endless, but you continue to force them into tight spots where they have little mobility! What kind of person are you, anyway! Beware lest ye become riven! Freedom for Fasteners everywhere!!! Today rivets, tomorrow nails and screws! Rand ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J Crow" Subject: Re: (cdc) rivets Date: 13 Jan 2000 13:13:23 -0700 I really need to say that fasteners regularly cannot stand up to the challenge of their duty their purpose in life. The break, shear, etc. and are generally annoying. They are therefore inferior beings and have no rights. Raven " Go thither, and with unattended eye compare her face with some that I shall show, And I will make thee think thy Swan a Crow." William Shakespeare -----Original Message----- >You meanie! I will spray-paint all your joints! That is just an excuse for >the use and abuse of otherwise happy fasteners that deserve to roam free! >They may even take up with pancakes if given the chance! They may join with >rivers and become rivulets! The possibilities are endless, but you continue >to force them into tight spots where they have little mobility! What kind >of person are you, anyway! Beware lest ye become riven! > >Freedom for Fasteners everywhere!!! Today rivets, tomorrow nails and >screws! > >Rand >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: Re: (cdc) announcements Date: 13 Jan 2000 13:37:01 -0700 The 14th is tomarrow! We have a poster done already. It can be shrunk to 1/2 size. jurgi Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > Mistress Lynette has started taking volunteers for Ren Fair, Apr > > 29?(correct me if I have the wrong date). She especially needs help with > > publicity before the actual day. Contact her for more information. > > The date is April 15 and it will be held at the Whittier Center this > year. > > > There is a Whittier Open house Jan 22, 2-6. We have the chance to set up > > a display table. Good publicity here! > > It would be a good idea to have some mini flyers advertising the > Renaissance Faire to hand out at this open house. Also, Landolf and > I are doing a demo for our son's school class next week. Could a > poster be worked up in time to hand out to his class on the 14th? > > Rebecca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: (cdc) Dance CD's Date: 13 Jan 2000 14:22:41 -0700 Is anyone in the Shire interested in a set of 7 CD's of dance music for $30? These are the CD's that Niccolo uses and I have tapes of some of the CD's. I purchased a set for myself and a set for the Shire. I have a third set that does not yet have a home. I can also order some more right away--they are in stock and should arrive in a couple of weeks (my CD's were ordered in August and were mailed to me on December 29. I have not yet received them.) Does anyone have a suggestion on how to prevent the Shire's dance CD's from doing the same thing that other Shire equipment has done? (i.e., walked away; however, in this case, they will dance away). I have *never* loaned my dance tapes out because I have loaned other things--costumes, books, etc--that have never come back. I know that Niccolo lost his entire set of tapes once because he loaned them to someone. Rebecca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Chabries" Subject: Re: (cdc) rivets Date: 13 Jan 2000 14:14:39 PST Raven, If you, as an inferior being, have rights then .... Rand ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Chabries" Subject: Re: (cdc) announcements Date: 13 Jan 2000 14:18:10 PST You must have a good psychiatrist to "shrink" a poster that fast. Rand ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeseretMail" Subject: Activities was: Re: (cdc) Message-Id: <20000112112015.SM00205@mail.deseretmail.c Date: 13 Jan 2000 15:24:52 -0700 >If the curricular activities are centered on Rebecca, who are the >extra-curricular ones centered on? >Rand I can see that I'm going to have to hurt you. (Benson, I'm going to have to turn you into a dog for a while.) You're always getting me in trouble.(Angus, your fly is open, Igrainne, your skirt is up in the back, etc.) Darned unruly wolf pup. Don't you know that I was trying to smooth this thing over? When Rebecca read that she said, "Oh, how sweet." Now you've gone and stirred the pot again. Got me mumbling under my breath. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shimazu Motoharu" Subject: (cdc) PREPARE YOURSELVES EUROPEANS! Date: 14 Jan 2000 00:27:45 GMT A mighty force is awakining. The spirit of the samurai is upon you all. Count your blessings we're on your side. heh heh heh heh..... Hi everyone! If any of my Cote Du Ciel brothers and sisters need anything at all that I can provide. (Time, labor, money.... Oh wait, um... Time, labor) let me know. Shimazu Motoharu Proud Samurai of Cote Du Ciel ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cody-Gon Jinn" Subject: (cdc) A voice from afar... Date: 13 Jan 2000 19:44:55 MST My brother (Motoharu), as if in dream, I heard your voice from afar, and it has moved me to action. Let it be known, to all, that the Samurai stir again, awakening much like a bear does from hibernation. I hope that our honor shall shine true within the Shire. My brother Samurai, Motoharu and unto those, the wonderful people of the Shire, I shall return to the Shire soon, Ohira Ichtaro WILL be back within a years time. Until then, may your actions flow like a river, may your honor shine bright. Like a Running Stream Always Flowing Through the Wild We Stride Gracefully -C.L. Live by Honor, Fight by Honor, and if Need be, Die by Honor. ---Ohira Ichtaro, another proud Samurai of Cote du Ciel, standing with his brother, Shimazu Motoharu. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J Crow" Subject: Re: (cdc) rivets Date: 13 Jan 2000 20:05:37 -0700 Now now Rand this is nothing to go to pieces over. Keep it up and we may need those rivets to put you back together :) Raven " Go thither, and with unattended eye compare her face with some that I shall show, And I will make thee think thy Swan a Crow." William Shakespeare -----Original Message----- >Raven, >If you, as an inferior being, have rights then .... >Rand >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Chabries" Subject: Re: Activities was: Re: (cdc) Message-Id: Date: 13 Jan 2000 19:54:25 PST Landolf, Your problems keeping up with all your curricular and extra-curricular activities are bound to catch up with you at some point. If the shoe fits... Boy I must've been close to the truth to warrant such an upbraiding remark! As for the wolf pup part....grrrrr Rand ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Chabries" Subject: Re: (cdc) rivets Date: 13 Jan 2000 19:57:39 PST I'm not the one going to pieces. I treat my fasteners well and they fasten without the coercion you put them through. I know they will come to my aid in my hour of need. Besides, you'd have to travel a long way to catch me!!! Nana nana boo boo! Rand ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeseretMail" Subject: Re: Activities was: Re: (cdc) Message-Id: Date: 14 Jan 2000 08:05:05 -0700 >As for the wolf pup part....grrrrr ROTFL Landolf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeseretMail" Subject: Re: (cdc) A voice from afar... Date: 14 Jan 2000 08:21:02 -0700 >My brother (Motoharu), as if in dream, I heard your voice from afar, and it >has moved me to action. Let it be known, to all, that the Samurai stir >again, awakening much like a bear does from hibernation. I hope that our >honor shall shine true within the Shire. My brother Samurai, Motoharu and >unto those, the wonderful people of the Shire, I shall return to the Shire >soon, Ohira Ichtaro WILL be back within a years time. Until then, may your >actions flow like a river, may your honor shine bright. The Samurai spirit is strong and stirkes a chord within kindred spirits. Know this, that when the Samurai stir themselves enough to return to practice with the rest of us, I, and the other fighters, will be willing to share our knowledge of the fighting arts with them and help improve their skills of combat. > > >Like a Running Stream >Always Flowing Through the Wild >We Stride Gracefully >-C.L. Very lovely Haiku. >Live by Honor, Fight by Honor, and if Need be, Die by Honor. > >---Ohira Ichtaro, another proud Samurai of Cote du Ciel, standing with his >brother, Shimazu Motoharu. Landolf (a Samurai in spirit, if not by personna) 'By the center I grasp my great naginata, which I have loved so long. I lay it across my shoulder, then with leisurely steps I stride forward. Be he devil or demon, how can he stand against me? So completely do I trust my own skill. Oh, how I long for a foe worthy of my hand! -Benkei- (A 13th century Yamabushi (Japanese warrior monk)) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gina Garvin" Date: 14 Jan 2000 09:34:17 PST Wait! don't touch that it's evil! (Landolf I love the little obscure quotes you do! I haven't thought about that movie in a very long time. But I did catch the Dame Edna show last Saturday. She had on Joan Rivers and sent Za Za Gabore? down her shoot! My kids didn't get why it was so funny. Grainne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mairwen" Subject: (cdc) Nothing important Date: 14 Jan 2000 09:45:03 -0800 Hey, y'all. Seeing as how I've been annoyingly unable to make it down for meetings, I'm going through SCA withdrawal. Anyone have ICQ or Yahoo Messenger? I am bored, bored, bored. Mairwen ICQ #43843570 (nick Sid) Yahoo Messenger SidheRa_Sang --- ~*~*~"I drank WHAT?" - Socrates~*~*~ Get free e-mail with a women.com membership at http://women.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: Re: (cdc) A voice from afar... Date: 14 Jan 2000 11:18:00 -0700 DeseretMail wrote: > >My brother (Motoharu), as if in dream, I heard your voice from afar, and it > >has moved me to action. Let it be known, to all, that the Samurai stir > >again, awakening much like a bear does from hibernation. I hope that our > >honor shall shine true within the Shire. My brother Samurai, Motoharu and > >unto those, the wonderful people of the Shire, I shall return to the Shire > >soon, Ohira Ichtaro WILL be back within a years time. Until then, may your > >actions flow like a river, may your honor shine bright. > > The Samurai spirit is strong and stirkes a chord within kindred spirits. Know this, that when the Samurai stir themselves enough to return to practice with the rest of us, I, and the other fighters, will be willing to share our knowledge of the fighting arts with them and help improve their skills of combat. > > > > > >Like a Running Stream > >Always Flowing Through the Wild > >We Stride Gracefully > >-C.L. > > Very lovely Haiku. > > >Live by Honor, Fight by Honor, and if Need be, Die by Honor. > > > >---Ohira Ichtaro, another proud Samurai of Cote du Ciel, standing with his > >brother, Shimazu Motoharu. > > Landolf (a Samurai in spirit, if not by personna) > > 'By the center I grasp my great naginata, which I have loved so long. > I lay it across my shoulder, then with leisurely steps I stride forward. > Be he devil or demon, how can he stand against me? > So completely do I trust my own skill. > Oh, how I long for a foe worthy of my hand! > -Benkei- (A 13th century Yamabushi (Japanese warrior monk)) To this, A German of the house of Lowenburg, knowing a Samurai, (ok, I saw a picture of one in a book once or twice.) adds... " By the neck I grasp my great naughty child, which I have loathed so long. I lay (it) across my knee, then with loud slaps, I spank onward. Be (it) devil or demon, how can this be my seed? So completely do I love K.F.C. Oh, how I long for a Bucket in my hand. -Jurgi- ( A 14th century Yam-eater (Squire-prankster warrior lunk)) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeseretMail" Subject: Re: (cdc) A voice from afar... Date: 14 Jan 2000 11:30:12 -0700 >To this, A German of the house of Lowenburg, knowing a Samurai, (ok, I saw a picture of one in a book once or twice.) adds... > >" By the neck I grasp my great naughty child, which I have loathed so long. I lay (it) across my knee, then with loud slaps, I spank onward. >Be (it) devil or demon, how can this be my seed? >So completely do I love K.F.C. >Oh, how I long for a Bucket in my hand. >-Jurgi- ( A 14th century Yam-eater (Squire-prankster warrior lunk)) > ROTFLOL Jurgi, That's a little bit different than the first time you sent a response to this poem. I don't remember the KFC part. Landolf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: Re: (cdc) A voice from afar... Date: 14 Jan 2000 11:36:59 -0700 It's Lunchtime! Jurgi DeseretMail wrote: > From: Jeff Lowe > Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:18:00 -0700 > > >To this, A German of the house of Lowenburg, knowing a Samurai, (ok, I saw a picture of one in a book once or twice.) adds... > > > >" By the neck I grasp my great naughty child, which I have loathed so long. I lay (it) across my knee, then with loud slaps, I spank onward. > >Be (it) devil or demon, how can this be my seed? > >So completely do I love K.F.C. > >Oh, how I long for a Bucket in my hand. > >-Jurgi- ( A 14th century Yam-eater (Squire-prankster warrior lunk)) > > > ROTFLOL > Jurgi, > That's a little bit different than the first time you sent a response to this poem. > I don't remember the KFC part. > Landolf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cody-Gon Jinn" Subject: Re: (cdc) A voice from afar... Date: 14 Jan 2000 12:42:45 MST This soothes the heart greatly...You will definatly feel the stir when I return, (Ichtaro), until then, my brother, Shimazu Motoharu will most likely make his presence known once more, as he did last week. Within the year, both of us will be there, as for now, know that the Samurai of Cote du Ciel, will return. (One of them just has to finish his military obligations... :> But as said, expect Motoharu (Andy) to show up.) Until later, I bid all of you well. Like a Running Stream Always Flowing Through the Wild We Stride Gracefully -C.L. Live by Honor, Fight by Honor, and if Need be, Die by Honor. -Ohira Ichtaro (Cody) >From: "DeseretMail" >Reply-To: cdc@lists.xmission.com >To: cdc@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: (cdc) A voice from afar... >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 100 08:21:02 -0700 > >The Samurai spirit is strong and stirkes a chord within kindred spirits. >Know this, that when the Samurai stir themselves enough to return to >practice with the rest of us, I, and the other fighters, will be willing to >share our knowledge of the fighting arts with them and help improve their >skills of combat. >Landolf (a Samurai in spirit, if not by personna) > >'By the center I grasp my great naginata, which I have loved so long. >I lay it across my shoulder, then with leisurely steps I stride forward. >Be he devil or demon, how can he stand against me? >So completely do I trust my own skill. >Oh, how I long for a foe worthy of my hand! >-Benkei- (A 13th century Yamabushi (Japanese warrior monk)) > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cody-Gon Jinn" Subject: Re: (cdc) A voice from afar... Date: 14 Jan 2000 12:46:14 MST Ohira Ichtaro puts his pinky to the corner of his mouth, and with his best Doctor Evil voice, says...'Right?!' ;> >To this, A German of the house of Lowenburg, knowing a Samurai, (ok, I saw >a picture of one in a book once or twice.) adds... > >" By the neck I grasp my great naughty child, which I have loathed so long. > I lay (it) across my knee, then with loud slaps, I spank onward. >Be (it) devil or demon, how can this be my seed? >So completely do I love K.F.C. >Oh, how I long for a Bucket in my hand. >-Jurgi- ( A 14th century Yam-eater (Squire-prankster warrior lunk)) > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: (cdc) Dance CD's Date: 21 Jan 2000 15:24:10 -0700 Jefferson and Janice, the dance CD's came today. I will hold a set for each of you. I've also ordered two more sets (one for the shire and one that does not yet have a home). Rebecca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gina Garvin" Date: 28 Jan 2000 09:31:37 PST Greetings. There haven't been any new announcements recently. Except I need to do my doomsday report and I don't think I have all the information I need. I'm posting to everyone to save myself some time. Mistress Rebecca, could you let know what the shire's beginning and end balances for this year are? How do I get the Order of Precedence to see how many and what kind of members we have? How do I find out details for our events? Lord Angus, have you sent a doomsday report? I need your information. If you have sent it to me already, I'm sorry. I think that is everything. Thank you for your patience with me. In Service, Grainne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Chabries" Subject: (cdc) Re: Date: 28 Jan 2000 12:31:52 PST I'd like to report that I have nothing to report. Besides, if Doomsday is coming up, why do we care? Have Fun, Rand ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bartholomew Hightower" Subject: (cdc) Re: Date: 28 Jan 2000 13:39:44 -0800 Here is the order of precedence that is listed on the kingdom wormwood herald page, you can check it out by visiting http://members.aol.com/opherald/wormwood/index.htm Order of Precedence for the Shire of Cote du Ciel Created on 12/21/99 10:53:51 PM. Landolff Witkowski Knight of the Society for Creative Anachronism 6/19/93 Rebecca Chadderton Mistress of the Laurel 6/20/93 Jurgen von Lowenburg Master of the Laurel 9/15/97 Lynette Huntingdon Mistress of the Laurel 12/12/98 Bjarni Thorvarrson Harp Argent 3/1/89 Ivan Leicester, known as Kensai Gryphon's Talon 5/8/93 Grainne nin Donnchadh Maple Leaf 11/18/95 Tadge Derg Mic Riacain ua Ciarain Pillar of Artemisia 5/18/96 Heather of Cote du Ciel Maple Leaf 5/18/96 Heidi of Cote du Ciel Maple Leaf 5/18/96 Sean Michael MacAiodh Pillar of Artemisia 12/7/96 Grifin Trewren Pillar of Artemisia 12/7/96 Arkadii L'vovich (Arkasha) Pillar of Artemisia 5/9/97 Anna Comyn Award of Arms 9/17/81 Erik Award of Arms 12/31/86 Camilla de Luna Award of Arms 5/9/88 Liana of Greenhaven Award of Arms 9/28/91 Alena Vladimirovna Award of Arms 5/8/93 Natalia Tanzenwolf Award of Arms 10/9/93 Duncan MacGlashan Award of Arms 1/22/94 Hrolfr Sverth-Freyr Award of Arms 1/22/94 Vsevolod Igorovich (Sevya) Award of Arms 1/29/94 Rhiell ferch Gwilyn Award of Arms 4/9/94 Bjorn Johanssen Award of Arms 4/22/95 Ethereal O. Trewren Award of Arms 11/18/95 Rachael MacAoidh Award of Arms 12/7/96 Richard Hatch of Devon Award of Arms 5/9/97 Angus Mac Aeda Award of Arms 4/25/98 Robert the Raven Macleod Award of Arms 9/19/98 Isabella Macleod Award of Arms 9/19/98 Kristoffer Principality Company of Sojourners (P C S) 4/28/90 Karin Principality Company of Sojourners (P C S) 4/28/90 Jakob Principality Company of Sojourners (P C S) 4/28/90 Nikolas Principality Company of Sojourners (P C S) 4/28/90 Caterina Principality Company of Sojourners (P C S) 4/28/90 Melasande of Greenhaven Gryphon's Pride 4/11/92 Connor O'Riley Gryphon's Pride 12/12/92 Einarr Hokonson Gryphon's Pride 9/19/93 Indra of Cote du Ciel Gryphon's Pride 1/22/94 Marie von Lowenburg Gryphon's Pride 12/7/96 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 9:31 AM > Greetings. There haven't been any new announcements recently. Except I > need to do my doomsday report and I don't think I have all the information I > need. I'm posting to everyone to save myself some time. > Mistress Rebecca, could you let know what the shire's beginning and end > balances for this year are? > How do I get the Order of Precedence to see how many and what kind of > members we have? > How do I find out details for our events? > Lord Angus, have you sent a doomsday report? I need your information. If > you have sent it to me already, I'm sorry. > I think that is everything. Thank you for your patience with me. > In Service, > Grainne > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: Re: (cdc) Re: Date: 28 Jan 2000 14:50:44 -0700 This list has not been updated since 98. Angus has a better list. Jurgi Bartholomew Hightower wrote: > Here is the order of precedence that is listed on the > kingdom wormwood herald page, you can check it out > by visiting > > http://members.aol.com/opherald/wormwood/index.htm > > Order of Precedence for the Shire of Cote du Ciel > > Created on 12/21/99 10:53:51 PM. > > Landolff Witkowski Knight of the Society for Creative Anachronism 6/19/93 > Rebecca Chadderton Mistress of the Laurel 6/20/93 > Jurgen von Lowenburg Master of the Laurel 9/15/97 > Lynette Huntingdon Mistress of the Laurel 12/12/98 > Bjarni Thorvarrson Harp Argent 3/1/89 > Ivan Leicester, known as Kensai Gryphon's Talon 5/8/93 > Grainne nin Donnchadh Maple Leaf 11/18/95 > Tadge Derg Mic Riacain ua Ciarain Pillar of Artemisia 5/18/96 > Heather of Cote du Ciel Maple Leaf 5/18/96 > Heidi of Cote du Ciel Maple Leaf 5/18/96 > Sean Michael MacAiodh Pillar of Artemisia 12/7/96 > Grifin Trewren Pillar of Artemisia 12/7/96 > Arkadii L'vovich (Arkasha) Pillar of Artemisia 5/9/97 > Anna Comyn Award of Arms 9/17/81 > Erik Award of Arms 12/31/86 > Camilla de Luna Award of Arms 5/9/88 > Liana of Greenhaven Award of Arms 9/28/91 > Alena Vladimirovna Award of Arms 5/8/93 > Natalia Tanzenwolf Award of Arms 10/9/93 > Duncan MacGlashan Award of Arms 1/22/94 > Hrolfr Sverth-Freyr Award of Arms 1/22/94 > Vsevolod Igorovich (Sevya) Award of Arms 1/29/94 > Rhiell ferch Gwilyn Award of Arms 4/9/94 > Bjorn Johanssen Award of Arms 4/22/95 > Ethereal O. Trewren Award of Arms 11/18/95 > Rachael MacAoidh Award of Arms 12/7/96 > Richard Hatch of Devon Award of Arms 5/9/97 > Angus Mac Aeda Award of Arms 4/25/98 > Robert the Raven Macleod Award of Arms 9/19/98 > Isabella Macleod Award of Arms 9/19/98 > Kristoffer Principality Company of Sojourners (P C S) 4/28/90 > Karin Principality Company of Sojourners (P C S) 4/28/90 > Jakob Principality Company of Sojourners (P C S) 4/28/90 > Nikolas Principality Company of Sojourners (P C S) 4/28/90 > Caterina Principality Company of Sojourners (P C S) 4/28/90 > Melasande of Greenhaven Gryphon's Pride 4/11/92 > Connor O'Riley Gryphon's Pride 12/12/92 > Einarr Hokonson Gryphon's Pride 9/19/93 > Indra of Cote du Ciel Gryphon's Pride 1/22/94 > Marie von Lowenburg Gryphon's Pride 12/7/96 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gina Garvin" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 9:31 AM > > > Greetings. There haven't been any new announcements recently. Except I > > need to do my doomsday report and I don't think I have all the information > I > > need. I'm posting to everyone to save myself some time. > > Mistress Rebecca, could you let know what the shire's beginning and end > > balances for this year are? > > How do I get the Order of Precedence to see how many and what kind of > > members we have? > > How do I find out details for our events? > > Lord Angus, have you sent a doomsday report? I need your information. If > > you have sent it to me already, I'm sorry. > > I think that is everything. Thank you for your patience with me. > > In Service, > > Grainne > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tiffany Dillemuth" Subject: Re: (cdc) Re: Date: 28 Jan 2000 14:21:51 PST Whoops. Looks like a typo on my AoA. It was on 5-9-98 (not 88)... Miss you all! Camilla ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bartholomew Hightower" Subject: Re: (cdc) Re: Date: 28 Jan 2000 15:29:09 -0800 I suspected as much, seeing as how I didn't even make the list, but was too shy to point it out. bartomatic ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 1:50 PM > This list has not been updated since 98. Angus has a better list. > > Jurgi > > Bartholomew Hightower wrote: > > > Here is the order of precedence that is listed on the > > kingdom wormwood herald page, you can check it out > > by visiting [snippage] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bartholomew Hightower" Subject: (cdc) It's Friday Date: 28 Jan 2000 15:54:52 -0800 It's Friday, and I still have another class to teach (5:15-7:45 ... yuck), so I thought I might try to make *your* day a little better. Point your browser to http://www.cs.usu.edu/~watson/bartholomew/images/farside.jpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J Crow" Subject: Re: (cdc) It's Friday Date: 29 Jan 2000 10:48:16 -0700 Hey Bart, I've got that one on my cube at work. I've been wondering if the crossbow thing on the side is true (not the National Crossbow Organization thing) but if the church actually banned its use I think it is. I sort of remember hearing something about that before but I'm not sure. Do you know? Raven " Go thither, and with unattended eye compare her face with some that I shall show, And I will make thee think thy Swan a Crow." William Shakespeare -----Original Message----- > >It's Friday, and I still have another class >to teach (5:15-7:45 ... yuck), so I thought >I might try to make *your* day a little better. > >Point your browser to > >http://www.cs.usu.edu/~watson/bartholomew/images/farside.jpg > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Merrill C. Pugmire" Subject: Re: (cdc) It's Friday Date: 29 Jan 2000 18:35:06 -0700 >Hey Bart, > > I've got that one on my cube at work. I've been wondering if the crossbow >thing on the side is true (not the National Crossbow Organization thing) but >if the church actually banned its use I think it is. I sort of remember >hearing something about that before but I'm not sure. > >Do you know? > Angus here. It is. But, of course, it was largely ignored. It was banned because a crossbow powerful enough to unseat and/or kill outright a fully armored knight could be used by a peasant with relatively little training. The church didn't mind the English longbow so much, because while it was actually more effective, it did require significant amounts of personal strength and training, giving the yoeman archer some sort of honor in it's use. A crossbow, however, was a great thug's weapon. But like I said, the directive was essentially ignored. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeseretMail" Subject: Crossbows 'n' such was Re: (cdc) It's Friday Date: 30 Jan 2000 12:21:01 -0700 >Angus here. > >It is. But, of course, it was largely ignored. It was banned because a >crossbow powerful enough to unseat and/or kill outright a fully armored >knight could be used by a peasant with relatively little training. The >church didn't mind the English longbow so much, because while it was >actually more effective, it did require significant amounts of personal >strength and training, giving the yoeman archer some sort of honor in it's >use. A crossbow, however, was a great thug's weapon. > >But like I said, the directive was essentially ignored. > The ban was to prohibit the use of a crossbow against Christians. As Angus said it was largely ignored. The Holy Roman Emperor also banned the use and development of self-igniting gunlocks, specifically wheellocks, as well. This directive was ignored, too. The use of round projectiles against 'The Heathens' was also prohibited at one point in time. So square bullets and guns to shoot them were experimented with for a short time. Found to be impractical, square bullets were discarded and round bullets continued to be used. So much for our trivia lesson for the day, Landolf the Lecturer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bartholomew Hightower" Subject: Re: Crossbows 'n' such was Re: (cdc) It's Friday Date: 30 Jan 2000 22:02:44 -0800 I concur with Angus and Landolf. Here are a few articles I dug up from Britannica online in this vein. One is just a short history of the crossbow, the second mentions the 1139 ban from the second Lateran council. Enjoy. -bart military technology The crossbow The idea of mounting a bow permanently at right angles across a stock that was fitted with a trough for the arrow, or bolt, and a mechanical trigger to hold the drawn string and release it at will was very old. Crossbows were buried in Chinese graves in the 5th century BC, and the crossbow was a major factor in Chinese warfare by the 2nd century BC at the latest. The Greeks used the crossbow principle in the gastrophetes, and the Romans knew the crossbow proper as the manuballista, though they did not use it extensively. The European crossbow of the Middle Ages differed from all of these in its combination of power and portability. In Europe, crossbows were progressively developed to penetrate armour of increasing thicknesses. In China, on the other hand, crossbow development emphasized rapidity of fire rather than power; by the 16th century, Chinese artisans were making sophisticated lever-actuated rapid-fire crossbows that carried up to 10 bolts in a self-contained magazine. These, however, were feeble weapons by contemporary European standards and had relatively little penetrating power. Mechanical cocking aids freed the crossbow from the limitations of simple muscular strength. If the bow could be held in a drawn state by a mechanical trigger, then the bow could be drawn in progressive stages using levers, cranks, and gears or windlass-and-pulley mechanisms, thereby multiplying the user's strength. The power of such a weapon, unlike that of the bow, was thus not limited by the constraints of a single muscular spasm. The crossbowman, unlike the archer, did not have to be particularly strong or vigorous, and his volume of fire was not as limited by fatigue. Nevertheless, the crossbow had serious tactical deficiencies. First, ordinary crossbows for field operations (as opposed to heavy siege crossbows) were outranged by the bow. This was because crossbow bolts were short and heavy, with a flat base to absorb the initial impact of the string. The flat base and relatively crude leather fins (crossbow bolts were produced in volume and were not as carefully finished as arrows) were aerodynamically inefficient, so that velocity fell off more quickly than that of an arrow. These factors, combined with the inherent lack of precision in the trigger and release mechanism, made the ordinary military crossbow considerably shorter-ranged and less accurate than a serious military bow in the hands of a skilled archer. Also, the advantage of the crossbow's greater power was offset by its elaborate winding mechanisms, which took more time to use. The combination of short range, inaccuracy, and slow rate of fire meant that crossbowmen in the open field were extremely vulnerable to cavalry. The earliest crossbows had a simple bow of wood alone. However, such bows were not powerful enough for serious military use, and by the 11th century they gave way to composite bows of wood, horn, and sinew. The strength of crossbows increased as knightly armour became more effective, and, by the 13th century, bows were being made of mild steel. (The temper and composition of steel used for crossbows had to be precisely controlled, and the expression "crossbow steel" became an accepted term designating steel of the highest quality.) Because composite and steel crossbows were too powerful to be cocked by the strength of the arms alone, a number of mechanical cocking aids were developed. The first such aid of military significance was a hook suspended from the belt: the crossbowman could step down into a stirrup set in the front of the bow's stock, loop the bowstring over the hook, and by straightening up use the powerful muscles of his back and leg to cock the weapon. The belt hook was inadequate for cocking the steel crossbows required to penetrate plate armour, and by the 14th century military crossbows were being fitted with removable windlasses and rack-and-pinion winding mechanisms called cranequins. Though slow, these devices effectively freed the crossbow from limitations on its strength: draw forces well in excess of 1,000 pounds became common, particularly for large siege crossbows. military technology The infantry revolution, c. 1200-1500 The appearance of the crossbow as a serious military implement along the northern rim of the western Mediterranean at about the middle of the 9th century marked a growing divergence between the technology of war in Europe and that of the rest of the world. It was the first of a series of technological and tactical developments that culminated in the rise of infantry elites to a position of tactical dominance. This infantry revolution began when the crossbow spread northward into areas that were peripheral to the economic, cultural, and political core of feudal Europe and where the topography was unfavourable for mounted shock action and the land too poor to support an armoured elite. Within this closed military topography, the crossbow soon proved itself the missile weapon par excellence of positional and guerrilla warfare. The reasons for the crossbow's success were simple: crossbows were capable of killing the most powerful of mounted warriors, yet they were far cheaper than war-horses and armour and were much easier to master than the skills of equestrian combat. Also, it was far easier to learn to fire a crossbow than a long bow of equivalent power. Serious war bows had significant advantages over the crossbow in range, accuracy, and maximum rate of fire, but crossbowmen could be recruited and trained quickly as adults, while a lifetime of constant practice was required to master the Turkish or Mongol composite bow or the English longbow. The crossbow directly challenged the mounted elite's dominance of the means of armed violence--a point that the lay and ecclesiastical authorities did not miss. In 1139 the second Lateran Council banned the crossbow under penalty of anathema as a weapon "hateful to God and unfit for Christians," and Emperor Conrad III of Germany (reigned 1138-52) forbade its use in his realms. But the crossbow proved useful in the Crusades against the infidel and, once introduced, could not be eradicated in any event. This produced a grudging acceptance among the European mounted elites, and the crossbow underwent a continuous process of technical development toward greater power that ended only in the 16th century, with the replacement of the crossbow by the harquebus and musket. An independent, reinforcing, and almost simultaneous development was the appearance of the English longbow as the premier missile weapon of western Europe. The signal victory of an outnumbered English army of longbowmen and dismounted men-at-arms over mounted French chivalry supported by mercenary Genoese crossbowmen at Crécy on Aug. 26, 1346, marked the end of massed cavalry charges by European knights for a century and a half. Another important and enduring discovery was made by the Swiss. At the Battle of Morgarten in 1315, Swiss eidgenossen, or "oath brothers," learned that an unarmoured man with a seven-foot (200-centimetre) halberd could dispatch an armoured man-at-arms. Displaying striking adaptability, they replaced some of their halberds with the pike, an 18-foot spear with a small, piercing head. No longer outreached by the knight's lance, and displaying far greater cohesion than any knightly army, the Swiss soon showed that they could defeat armoured men-at-arms, mounted or dismounted, given anything like even numbers. With the creation of the pike square tactical formation, the Swiss provided the model for the modern infantry regiment. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Chabries" Subject: Re: Crossbows 'n' such was Re: (cdc) It's Friday Date: 31 Jan 2000 06:16:11 PST Does this mean we can ignore the directive not to use Landolf's guns in combat? IT seems that it was period to do such a thing. Rand ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeseretMail" Subject: Re: Crossbows 'n' such was Re: (cdc) It's Friday Date: 31 Jan 2000 10:44:54 -0700 >Does this mean we can ignore the directive not to use Landolf's guns in >combat? IT seems that it was period to do such a thing. >Rand > Shhhh!!!! Quiet you troublemaker! I'm secretly trying to do just that! I've had 'off the record' conversations with the Rapier and Armored Marshalls, they're both interested in defying the ban. Shhhh!!! No more talk. Landolf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: Re: Crossbows 'n' such was Re: (cdc) It's Friday Date: 31 Jan 2000 11:14:28 -0700 Ironically, The ban lasted over 100 years and Richard I (Lionheart) was a big advocate of the crossbow. (He also ignored the 'no jousting law' from the church as well.) The irony is that he was eventually killed as a result of being shot by a crossbow bolt in the shoulder, by one of his own men. Jurgi DeseretMail wrote: > > >Angus here. > > > >It is. But, of course, it was largely ignored. It was banned because a > >crossbow powerful enough to unseat and/or kill outright a fully armored > >knight could be used by a peasant with relatively little training. The > >church didn't mind the English longbow so much, because while it was > >actually more effective, it did require significant amounts of personal > >strength and training, giving the yoeman archer some sort of honor in it's > >use. A crossbow, however, was a great thug's weapon. > > > >But like I said, the directive was essentially ignored. > > > The ban was to prohibit the use of a crossbow against Christians. As Angus said it was largely ignored. The Holy Roman Emperor also banned the use and development of self-igniting gunlocks, specifically wheellocks, as well. This directive was ignored, too. > The use of round projectiles against 'The Heathens' was also prohibited at one point in time. So square bullets and guns to shoot them were experimented with for a short time. Found to be impractical, square bullets were discarded and round bullets continued to be used. > > So much for our trivia lesson for the day, > Landolf the Lecturer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J Crow" Subject: Re: Crossbows 'n' such was Re: (cdc) It's Friday Date: 31 Jan 2000 13:32:34 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BF6BEF.A1ED4320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And I have trouble getting things together to publish in the bears = tale???? Thanks for the article. 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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BF6BEF.A1ED4320-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Chabries" Subject: Re: Crossbows 'n' such was Re: (cdc) It's Friday Date: 31 Jan 2000 12:50:16 PST Does anyone "official" belong to the shire list? I thought this was where we could vent things and be generally obnoxious about things that caused us grief--i.e. Griffon's Laid. Have Fun, Rand ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeseretMail" Subject: Re: Crossbows 'n' such was Re: (cdc) It's Friday Date: 31 Jan 2000 14:03:07 -0700 >Does anyone "official" belong to the shire list? I thought this was where >we could vent things and be generally obnoxious about things that caused us >grief--i.e. Griffon's Laid. >Have Fun, >Rand "Obnoxious" being the operative word. But you know how things tend to be leaked just when you least want the information getting out. Just ask your President. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Chabries" Subject: Re: Crossbows 'n' such was Re: (cdc) It's Friday Date: 31 Jan 2000 13:09:21 PST I thought our shire could hold its drink with the best of them. Or are you saying there is a drip somewhere? Rand ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bartholomew Hightower" Subject: Re: Crossbows 'n' such was Re: (cdc) It's Friday Date: 31 Jan 2000 14:32:04 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012C_01BF6BF7.F183BCE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, whoa. That was from Britannica Online. They might have something to say about it getting published in our little shire newsletter.=20 Don't do it, Raven. I'll write an article for you; I promise. -bart ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J Crow=20 To: cdc@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 12:32 PM Subject: Re: Crossbows 'n' such was Re: (cdc) It's Friday And I have trouble getting things together to publish in the bears = tale???? Thanks for the article. =20 Raven " Go thither, and with unattended eye compare her face with some that I shall show, And I will make thee think thy Swan a Crow." William Shakespeare ------=_NextPart_000_012C_01BF6BF7.F183BCE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey, whoa.  That was from Britannica = Online.  They=20 might have something
to say about it getting published in our little = shire=20 newsletter. 
 
Don't do it, Raven.  I'll write an article for = you; I=20 promise.
 
-bart
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 J = Crow=20
To: cdc@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 = 12:32=20 PM
Subject: Re: Crossbows 'n' such = was Re:=20 (cdc) It's Friday

And I have trouble getting things = together to=20 publish in the bears tale???? Thanks for the article.
 
Raven
 
" Go thither, and with unattended = eye=20 compare
her face with some that I shall show, And
I will make = thee think=20 thy Swan a Crow."
William = Shakespeare
------=_NextPart_000_012C_01BF6BF7.F183BCE0-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DeseretMail" Subject: Re: Crossbows 'n' such was Re: (cdc) It's Friday Date: 31 Jan 2000 14:44:52 -0700 >I thought our shire could hold its drink with the best of them. Or are you >saying there is a drip somewhere? >Rand > I can think of one drip right away. Landolf