From: Jeff Lowe Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site] Date: 01 Oct 1998 08:07:08 -0700 CHARLENE CHABRIES wrote: > > I think it is great that they have learned from the past!!! Maybe we will ride off into the baronial sunset together. > Don't make me come over there and hurt you! THe Pail writer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hugie Subject: (cdc) Practice Last Night Date: 01 Oct 1998 10:13:36 -0600 Sorry I missed practice last night. I'm sure a good time was had by all, but I didn't want to have to drag my notebook around like usual. Seems like I never get a free evening. Talk to you all soon. Grifin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Chabries Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site] Date: 01 Oct 1998 12:25:52 -0600 GO LANDOLF!!! Olan G Mikkelsen wrote: > I just can't figure out why Griffin's Lair is looking outside their area > for sites. Why should they hold two events per year in our area when there > are far more resources in the Weber valley. > My feelings are that if they have soiled their nest so badly that they > can't live in it, it is not our responsibility to provide them with a new > location that they can screw up. > Just call me uncharitable, > Landolf > > Jeff Lowe on 09/30/98 03:43:27 PM > > Please respond to cdc@lists.xmission.com > > To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > cc: (bcc: Olan G Mikkelsen/IS/BCBSU/TBG) > Subject: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site] > > I just recieved this, I was wondering how the rest of you feel? > > Jurgi > > Received: from MAILQ by RHS_OCC_TECH (Mercury 1.21); 30 Sep 98 11:02:40 MDT > Return-path: > Received: from oodiss1.hill.af.mil by MAIL.RHS.WEBER.K12.UT.US (Mercury > 1.21) with ESMTP; 30 Sep 98 11:02:38 MDT > Received: from rades.hill.af.mil (rades.hill.af.mil [137.241.113.6]) by > oodiss1.hill.af.mil (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA17571 for > ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:20:30 -0600 (MDT) > From: fraserj@rades.hill.af.mil > Received: from ccMail by rades.hill.af.mil (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) > id AA907175676; Wed, 30 Sep 98 11:14:44 -0700 > Message-Id: <9809309071.AA907175676@rades.hill.af.mil> > X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 > Date: Wed, 30 Sep 98 10:18:39 -0700 > To: > Subject: Winter Madness site > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Greetings and salutations! > > I'm starting to make plans for the Winter Madness event this coming > winter and thought I'd check in with you. I'd like to use the Bear > Lake site again, but didnt want to start any unpleasantness like last > year... Will using the site be a problem for you? > > The date is still tentative, right now its Feb 20th but thats the > weekend after Estrella so I'm working with Agnese to change to a later > date (like 27 Feb). > > In service to Artemisia and the Dream, > Tyndall ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Chabries Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site] Date: 01 Oct 1998 12:27:13 -0600 GO REBECCA!!! Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > >>> Jeff Lowe 09/30 3:43 PM >>> > > I just recieved this, I was wondering how the rest of you feel? > > > > Jurgi > > > > > > If they want to continue having 2 of their 3 events per year in Cote > du Ciel lands, perhaps we should start taking a cut of the net > profits? > > Rebecca (the exchequer is coming out . . . ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "CHARLENE CHABRIES" Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site] Date: 01 Oct 1998 13:59:25 -0600 Please! please! don't ink me> >>> Jeff Lowe 10/01 9:07 AM >>> CHARLENE CHABRIES wrote: >=20 > I think it is great that they have learned from the past!!! Maybe we = will ride off into the baronial sunset together. >=20 Don't make me come over there and hurt you! THe Pail writer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pug Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site] Date: 01 Oct 1998 19:28:36 -0600 (MDT) Angus here I don't want to throw a wet blanket on this Burnt Tinder (wet blanket-Burnt Timber, I like that!) rant fest, but we have something of a hipocracy problem here, at least the appearence of one. Namely, with Sommerville Mannor. There are some differences, primarily the relationship between the management and our populace and the relative location of unit and site, but the fact is that we do things *as a Shire* in the lands of our northern neighbors. If we get too huffy about their coming over here we should at least be aware of the hipocracy problem. Now, I don't want them in our lands, and I do want to be able to play up at Summerville as a shire, so I would like to find some way to deal with this paradox. Maybe we could limit them to once a year, or as Rebecca said share troll, or something else. But just ranting and refusing, while we play up north, just isn't right. Something to think about, anyway. >GO LANDOLF! >> I just can't figure out why Griffin's Lair is looking outside their area >> for sites. Why should they hold two events per year in our area when there >> are far more resources in the Weber valley. >> My feelings are that if they have soiled their nest so badly that they >> can't live in it, it is not our responsibility to provide them with a new >> location that they can screw up. >> Just call me uncharitable, >> Landolf >> >> Jeff Lowe on 09/30/98 03:43:27 PM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site] Date: 02 Oct 1998 09:07:30 -0700 > > Angus here > > I don't want to throw a wet blanket on this Burnt Tinder (wet blanket-Burnt > Timber, I like that!) rant fest, but we have something of a hipocracy problem > here, at least the appearence of one. Namely, with Sommerville Mannor. There > are some differences, primarily the relationship between the management and > our populace and the relative location of unit and site, but the fact is that > we do things *as a Shire* in the lands of our northern neighbors. If we get too > huffy about their coming over here we should at least be aware of the hipocracy > problem. > > Now, I don't want them in our lands, and I do want to be able to play up at > Summerville as a shire, so I would like to find some way to deal with this > paradox. Maybe we could limit them to once a year, or as Rebecca said share > troll, or something else. But just ranting and refusing, while we play up > north, just isn't right. Something to think about, anyway. > > There are some differences with Cote du Ciel holding an event at Somerville Manor and Gryphon's Lair holding an event in Cote du Ciel lands--Somerville Manor *invited* us (they actively pursue other groups to hold events there). Cote du Ciel has never invited Gryphon's Lair to use our lands (GL has held events, then asked forgiveness). Somerville Manor is a business whose only purpose is to hold/promote Medieval-style functions--there are no sites in Cote du Ciel that do that. The Lord and Lady of Somerville Manor are "adopted" members of Cote du Ciel; there are no (actively playing) members of Gryphon's Lair who are members of Cote du Ciel (Kensai and Gwenyvere are exceptions; however, they have never and do not now play with Gryphon's Lair. If they do anything SCA, they do it with Cote du Ciel). Many members of Cote du Ciel are members of the Barony of Lyonnesse. That means that they actively help the Barony/Somerville Manor in any way possible. The Barony of One Thousand Eyes has said that SCA groups outside of the BOTE can use the Somerville Manor site freely--they recognize its value to all SCA groups as a great event site. Cote du Ciel is not the only out-of-BOTE group that has held an event at Somerville Manor without interference from BOTE. I do not believe that there is any hypocrisy here. Rebecca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tiffany Dillemuth" Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site] Date: 02 Oct 1998 09:14:39 PDT Hmmm, I think Angus has an interesting point! Any thoughts? Cam ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: (cdc) Olan's surgery Date: 02 Oct 1998 13:56:51 -0700 Olan had surgery to reverse the ileostomy yesterday. Everything went well and he was sent home the same day. He will be home recuperating for the next week and a half. Rebecca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "CHARLENE CHABRIES" Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery Date: 02 Oct 1998 14:01:14 -0600 Best Wishes to Olan!!! I am so glad everything went well. Rixa >>> "Rebecca Mikkelsen" 10/02 2:56 = PM >>> Olan had surgery to reverse the ileostomy yesterday. Everything went=20 well and he was sent home the same day. He will be home recuperating=20 for the next week and a half. Rebecca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery Date: 02 Oct 1998 14:06:37 -0700 > Best Wishes to Olan!!! I am so glad everything went well. > > Rixa > > He is feeling so well, he wants to come to the meeting tonight. I told him not to over-do it (but he still wants to come to the meeting ) His pain medication makes him sleepy so he would probably fall asleep at the meeting, anyway. Rebecca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "CHARLENE CHABRIES" Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery Date: 02 Oct 1998 14:44:34 -0600 We have a cot he can use. I'll have it ready. He might be more comfortabl= e on the couch however he might get sat upon. Rixa >>> "Rebecca Mikkelsen" 10/02 3:06 = PM >>> > Best Wishes to Olan!!! I am so glad everything went well. >=20 > Rixa >=20 >=20 He is feeling so well, he wants to come to the meeting tonight. I=20 told him not to over-do it (but he still wants to come to the meeting=20 ) His pain medication makes him sleepy so he would probably fall=20 asleep at the meeting, anyway. Rebecca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tiffany Dillemuth" Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery Date: 02 Oct 1998 13:57:29 PDT Oh, we're so glad he's doing well!! See you all tonight. Camilla (& Arkasha) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site] Date: 05 Oct 1998 08:32:23 -0700 Pug wrote: > > Angus here > > I don't want to throw a wet blanket on this Burnt Tinder (wet blanket-Burnt > Timber, I like that!) rant fest, but we have something of a hipocracy problem > here, at least the appearence of one. Namely, with Sommerville Mannor. There > are some differences, primarily the relationship between the management and > our populace and the relative location of unit and site, but the fact is that > we do things *as a Shire* in the lands of our northern neighbors. If we get too > huffy about their coming over here we should at least be aware of the hipocracy > problem. > > Now, I don't want them in our lands, and I do want to be able to play up at > Summerville as a shire, so I would like to find some way to deal with this > paradox. Maybe we could limit them to once a year, or as Rebecca said share > troll, or something else. But just ranting and refusing, while we play up > north, just isn't right. Something to think about, anyway. > > >GO LANDOLF! > Here's the diffrence. We have never held a Kingdom scheduled event out side our own shire and secondly, we were invited to use that site, and I called 1000 eyes for permission and we never trashed the site nor went against the no alchohol rule to bring condemnation to the Society or the group upon whos land the site resides. Technically, we cannot refuse their request but i will write Tyndall and let him know some of our concerns. Jurgi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site] Date: 05 Oct 1998 08:19:47 -0700 > Pug wrote: > > > > Angus here > > > > I don't want to throw a wet blanket on this Burnt Tinder (wet blanket-Burnt > > Timber, I like that!) rant fest, but we have something of a hipocracy problem > > here, at least the appearence of one. Namely, with Sommerville Mannor. There > > are some differences, primarily the relationship between the management and > > our populace and the relative location of unit and site, but the fact is that > > we do things *as a Shire* in the lands of our northern neighbors. If we get too > > huffy about their coming over here we should at least be aware of the hipocracy > > problem. > > > > Now, I don't want them in our lands, and I do want to be able to play up at > > Summerville as a shire, so I would like to find some way to deal with this > > paradox. Maybe we could limit them to once a year, or as Rebecca said share > > troll, or something else. But just ranting and refusing, while we play up > > north, just isn't right. Something to think about, anyway. > > > > >GO LANDOLF! > > > > Here's the diffrence. We have never held a Kingdom scheduled event out > side our own shire and secondly, we were invited to use that site, and I > called 1000 eyes for permission and we never trashed the site nor went > against the no alchohol rule to bring condemnation to the Society or the > group upon whos land the site resides. Technically, we cannot refuse > their request but i will write Tyndall and let him know some of our > concerns. > > Jurgi > > Angus, Francesca, William, and Isabeau came over to our house yesterday and we discussed this (they didn't come over to discuss this--they came over for other reasons, but the conversation turned to a discussion of this issue ). William and Isabeau confirmed what I had already said about their business in a previous posting. We suggest that Gryphon's Lair pay CduC a fee for using our lands. This is a very "period" practice. If we tell them it will cost them $xxx.xx to use one of our sites, and they choose to not use the site, then we haven't been "mean" by not letting them use a CduC site--they have simply refused to pay our site fee. However, if we say "you can't use our sites", then we are being mean and not sharing (and quit hitting your brother . . . oops!). I still want to know, though, why they have to hold 2 of their 3 required events in Cote du Ciel. Rebecca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Chabries Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site] Date: 05 Oct 1998 10:03:43 -0600 I guess I see this a bit differently than Angus. You see, we do use Somerville Manor, but not because we can't find any other sites, but because we want to support them. It is a nice site and all, but we have a lot of those to choose from if that is what we want. I do not see this as hipocracy because of this reason. Secondly, we are not trying to invade anyone else's lands because we have, as Landolf so eloquently put it, soiled our own pants...I mean nest. As I understand it, there have been some feelings between some members of the barony and Somerville manor. Somerville manor is a commercial site and they have, in essence, invited us to use their facility. That's the way I see it. Rand ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Chabries Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery Date: 05 Oct 1998 10:05:45 -0600 GO OLAN!!! Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > Olan had surgery to reverse the ileostomy yesterday. Everything went > well and he was sent home the same day. He will be home recuperating > for the next week and a half. > > Rebecca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Chabries Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site] Date: 05 Oct 1998 10:10:33 -0600 > > > We suggest that Gryphon's Lair pay CduC a fee for using our lands. > This is a very "period" practice. If we tell them it will cost them > $xxx.xx to use one of our sites, and they choose to not use the > site, then we haven't been "mean" by not letting them use a CduC > site--they have simply refused to pay our site fee. However, if we > say "you can't use our sites", then we are being mean and not sharing > (and quit hitting your brother . . . oops!). > > I still want to know, though, why they have to hold 2 of their 3 > required events in Cote du Ciel. > > Rebecca Just one question, you said a fee of $xxx.xx. May I suggest $xxxx.xx? Rand ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry, Radford" Subject: RE: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site] Date: 05 Oct 1998 09:08:27 -0700 What's this!?! The shire is into triple X fees. I feel so ashamed... (are we talking pictures or videos?) -Baldwin > ---------- > From: Randy Chabries[SMTP:chabrir@wellsville.cache.k12.ut.us] > Reply To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 9:10 AM > To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site] > > > > > > > We suggest that Gryphon's Lair pay CduC a fee for using our lands. > > This is a very "period" practice. If we tell them it will cost them > > $xxx.xx to use one of our sites, and they choose to not use the > > site, then we haven't been "mean" by not letting them use a CduC > > site--they have simply refused to pay our site fee. However, if we > > say "you can't use our sites", then we are being mean and not sharing > > (and quit hitting your brother . . . oops!). > > > > I still want to know, though, why they have to hold 2 of their 3 > > required events in Cote du Ciel. > > > > Rebecca > > Just one question, you said a fee of $xxx.xx. May I suggest $xxxx.xx? > Rand > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery Date: 05 Oct 1998 10:17:58 -0700 > > Olan had surgery to reverse the ileostomy yesterday. Everything went > > well and he was sent home the same day. He will be home recuperating > > for the next week and a half. > > > Now, (as they say) for the rest of the story. . . . He was not only feeling well, but on Saturday he went to a Contradance with me! (a contradance is sort of a combination of English country dancing, and square dancing with a little waltz and swing thrown in). Rebecca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Chabries Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site] Date: 05 Oct 1998 10:48:25 -0600 We didn't want you to feel left out, so we thought we'd send you something special. Rand Perry, Radford wrote: > What's this!?! The shire is into triple X fees. I feel so ashamed... (are > we talking pictures or videos?) > > -Baldwin > > > ---------- > > From: Randy Chabries[SMTP:chabrir@wellsville.cache.k12.ut.us] > > Reply To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > > Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 9:10 AM > > To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site] > > > > > > > > > > > We suggest that Gryphon's Lair pay CduC a fee for using our lands. > > > This is a very "period" practice. If we tell them it will cost them > > > $xxx.xx to use one of our sites, and they choose to not use the > > > site, then we haven't been "mean" by not letting them use a CduC > > > site--they have simply refused to pay our site fee. However, if we > > > say "you can't use our sites", then we are being mean and not sharing > > > (and quit hitting your brother . . . oops!). > > > > > > I still want to know, though, why they have to hold 2 of their 3 > > > required events in Cote du Ciel. > > > > > > Rebecca > > > > Just one question, you said a fee of $xxx.xx. May I suggest $xxxx.xx? > > Rand > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Chabries Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery Date: 05 Oct 1998 10:49:54 -0600 I didn't know Olan or you had been to Iran!!! Did you know Ollie, too???>:-> Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > > Olan had surgery to reverse the ileostomy yesterday. Everything went > > > well and he was sent home the same day. He will be home recuperating > > > for the next week and a half. > > > > > > > Now, (as they say) for the rest of the story. . . . He was not only > feeling well, but on Saturday he went to a Contradance with me! (a > contradance is sort of a combination of English country dancing, and > square dancing with a little waltz and swing thrown in). > > Rebecca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery Date: 05 Oct 1998 10:50:42 -0700 Oh, puhleeeeze! You are grasping!! Rebecca > I didn't know Olan or you had been to Iran!!! Did you know Ollie, too???>:-> > > Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > > > > Olan had surgery to reverse the ileostomy yesterday. Everything went > > > > well and he was sent home the same day. He will be home recuperating > > > > for the next week and a half. > > > > > > > > > > > Now, (as they say) for the rest of the story. . . . He was not only > > feeling well, but on Saturday he went to a Contradance with me! (a > > contradance is sort of a combination of English country dancing, and > > square dancing with a little waltz and swing thrown in). > > > > Rebecca > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kendle Hanna Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery Date: 05 Oct 1998 10:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Please quit Rand. We dont want to incure the rath of the Pail Writer! ---Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > Oh, puhleeeeze! You are grasping!! > > Rebecca > > > I didn't know Olan or you had been to Iran!!! Did you know Ollie, too???>:-> > > > > Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > > > > > > Olan had surgery to reverse the ileostomy yesterday. Everything went > > > > > well and he was sent home the same day. He will be home recuperating > > > > > for the next week and a half. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, (as they say) for the rest of the story. . . . He was not only > > > feeling well, but on Saturday he went to a Contradance with me! (a > > > contradance is sort of a combination of English country dancing, and > > > square dancing with a little waltz and swing thrown in). > > > > > > Rebecca > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery Date: 05 Oct 1998 12:00:15 -0700 Kendle Hanna wrote: > > Please quit Rand. We dont want to incure the rath of the Pail Writer! > > ---Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > > > Oh, puhleeeeze! You are grasping!! > > > > Rebecca > > > > > I didn't know Olan or you had been to Iran!!! Did you know Ollie, > too???>:-> > > > > > > Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > > > > > > > > Olan had surgery to reverse the ileostomy yesterday. > Everything went > > > > > > well and he was sent home the same day. He will be home > recuperating > > > > > > for the next week and a half. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, (as they say) for the rest of the story. . . . He was not > only > > > > feeling well, but on Saturday he went to a Contradance with me! (a > > > > contradance is sort of a combination of English country dancing, > and > > > > square dancing with a little waltz and swing thrown in). > > > > > > > > Rebecca Too Late! You know that the music for a Contradance is provided by a Contra-0band. Does that make it illeagle? Jurgi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site] Date: 05 Oct 1998 12:09:58 -0700 Perry, Radford wrote: > > What's this!?! The shire is into triple X fees. I feel so ashamed... (are > we talking pictures or videos?) > Rad!?! Did you want to do a video Party? Maybe we could do Robochick! Or Beach Babes from Beyound. Jurgi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry, Radford" Subject: (cdc) Naughty, Naughty Date: 05 Oct 1998 10:42:43 -0700 Oh no, it sounds like a revival of B movie night!! I hope Bjorn didn't have to dispose of all his classics when he got married. -Baldwin > ---------- > From: Jeff Lowe[SMTP:JLowe@mail.rhs.weber.k12.ut.us] > Reply To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 12:09 PM > To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site] > > Perry, Radford wrote: > > > > What's this!?! The shire is into triple X fees. I feel so ashamed... > (are > > we talking pictures or videos?) > > > > Rad!?! Did you want to do a video Party? Maybe we could do Robochick! > Or Beach Babes from Beyound. > > Jurgi > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: (cdc) Contradancing . . . Date: 05 Oct 1998 11:45:12 -0700 Not to be contrary, but I think there are those in the shire who should exercise some control and contrition. I would like to contribute the following information for those of you for whom Contradancing is not contraindicated: There will be a Contradance on Friday, Nov 6 and Saturday, Nov 7 at the Whittier Center. Each dance is $6 per person. There will be workshops all day on November 7 at a cost of $6. Contrari-wise, if you want to dance for FREE, the Royal Scottish Country Dance Society in SLC is sponsoring workshops and dancing on November 14. Contact me if you need more details on either of these events. I wouldn't want any controversy about it. Rebecca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Chabries Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery Date: 06 Oct 1998 09:41:16 -0600 Or is that wraith? Kendle Hanna wrote: > Please quit Rand. We dont want to incure the rath of the Pail Writer! > > ---Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > > > Oh, puhleeeeze! You are grasping!! > > > > Rebecca > > > > > I didn't know Olan or you had been to Iran!!! Did you know Ollie, > too???>:-> > > > > > > Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > > > > > > > > Olan had surgery to reverse the ileostomy yesterday. > Everything went > > > > > > well and he was sent home the same day. He will be home > recuperating > > > > > > for the next week and a half. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, (as they say) for the rest of the story. . . . He was not > only > > > > feeling well, but on Saturday he went to a Contradance with me! (a > > > > contradance is sort of a combination of English country dancing, > and > > > > square dancing with a little waltz and swing thrown in). > > > > > > > > Rebecca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Chabries Subject: Re: (cdc) Contradancing . . . Date: 06 Oct 1998 09:45:19 -0600 I don't think I could contrive to be there. I think I will be making some kind of contraption. It may even be breaking my contract, I would hate to be out of a job. I think the president has had enough affairs without another contra. Rand Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > Not to be contrary, but I think there are those in the shire who > should exercise some control and contrition. > > I would like to contribute the following information for those of you > for whom Contradancing is not contraindicated: > > There will be a Contradance on Friday, Nov 6 and Saturday, Nov 7 at > the Whittier Center. Each dance is $6 per person. There will be > workshops all day on November 7 at a cost of $6. > > Contrari-wise, if you want to dance for FREE, the Royal Scottish > Country Dance Society in SLC is sponsoring workshops and dancing on > November 14. > > Contact me if you need more details on either of these events. I > wouldn't want any controversy about it. > > Rebecca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jcrow " Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery Date: 06 Oct 1998 22:24:45 -0000 Well if the Eagle is sick get him a vet... ---------- > From: Jeff Lowe > To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery > Date: Monday, October 05, 1998 7:00 PM > > Kendle Hanna wrote: > > > > Please quit Rand. We dont want to incure the rath of the Pail Writer! > > > > ---Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > > > > > Oh, puhleeeeze! You are grasping!! > > > > > > Rebecca > > > > > > > I didn't know Olan or you had been to Iran!!! Did you know Ollie, > > too???>:-> > > > > > > > > Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Olan had surgery to reverse the ileostomy yesterday. > > Everything went > > > > > > > well and he was sent home the same day. He will be home > > recuperating > > > > > > > for the next week and a half. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, (as they say) for the rest of the story. . . . He was not > > only > > > > > feeling well, but on Saturday he went to a Contradance with me! (a > > > > > contradance is sort of a combination of English country dancing, > > and > > > > > square dancing with a little waltz and swing thrown in). > > > > > > > > > > Rebecca > > Too Late! You know that the music for a Contradance is provided by a > Contra-0band. Does that make it illeagle? > > Jurgi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: (cdc) (Fwd) An announcement from Free Trumpet Press West Date: 07 Oct 1998 14:19:36 -0700 This message is for the Seneschal (who authorizes money), the Exchequer (who pays the money), and the Herald (who might be wanting the money for this purchase). Rebecca ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Reply-to: artemisia@server.umt.edu Greetings to heralds & pursuivants, one and all, Pardon this mini-commercial message, but this is to inform you that Free Trumpet Press West is now carrying the next set of "Combined Updates" for the Ordinary and Armorial. The Combined Update covers individual updates #18-22 (registraions from 1/96-6/98). Price for the Combined Update 18-22 to the Ordinary is $12. Price for the Combined Update 18-22 to the Armorial is $7. All prices are in US Dollars, and include shipping, handling and (where applicable) Illinois sales tax. *********** Coming Soon! *********** Volume 4 of the Precedents of Da'ud ibn Auda - from his second tenure. More price details as it becomes avaliable. *********** For orders, more information and a current price list, please write to: Free Trumpet Press West 1613 N. School St. Normal, IL 61761 klconlin@ilstu.edu Thank you for your time and attention, Rory mac Feidhlimidh Free Trumpet Press West Free Trumpet Press West 1613 N School St Normal, IL 61761-1240 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Chabries Subject: Re: (cdc) (Fwd) An announcement from Free Trumpet Press West Date: 07 Oct 1998 14:55:49 -0600 As long as we are talking about fun things to buy....... Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > This message is for the Seneschal (who authorizes money), the > Exchequer (who pays the money), and the Herald (who might be wanting > the money for this purchase). > > Rebecca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: (cdc) Apples Date: 07 Oct 1998 15:51:44 -0700 I hope someone gets this message before dance practice tonight . . . Please call everyone you know to see if they can come a little early to dance practice. We need to pick the apples off of a neighbor's tree to be used for the Halloween Carnival we are helping with. Rebecca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "CHARLENE CHABRIES" Subject: Re: (cdc) Apples Date: 07 Oct 1998 15:52:34 -0600 Your neighbor or the Whittier's neighbor? >>> "Rebecca Mikkelsen" 10/07 4:51 = PM >>> I hope someone gets this message before dance practice tonight . . . Please call everyone you know to see if they can come a little early=20 to dance practice. We need to pick the apples off of a neighbor's=20 tree to be used for the Halloween Carnival we are helping with. Rebecca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: Re: (cdc) Apples Date: 07 Oct 1998 16:00:46 -0700 > Your neighbor or the Whittier's neighbor? > > Whittier's neighbor. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Seamas Connough" Subject: (cdc) fealla-dha (a funny!) Date: 09 Oct 1998 16:03:40 -0600 Tha barrachd déidh agam air Craobhan, na th' agam air Daoine.... **Interested in the gaidhlig language or in things Celtic?** **Living near Salt Lake City or Logan Utah? Contact me!** cmacgregor@lgcy.com --Seamas Connough MacGriogair-- Re: Windows 98 Recall (fwd)] > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> It has come to our attention that a few copies of the Scottish >> version of >> Windows 98 may have accidentally been shipped outside Scotland. >> >> If you have one of the Scottish editions, you may need some help >> understanding the commands. The Scotland edition may be recognised >> by >> looking >> at the opening screen. It reads WINDAES 98, Ye Ken, with a >> background >> picture >> of William Wallace superimposed on a St. Andrews Cross. >> >> It is shipped with a Mel Gibson screen saver. >> >> Also note the Recycle Bin is called The Bucket. >> My Computer is called Thon Computer Thingie. >> Dialup Networking is called Phone the Bhoys. >> Control Panel is known as the Dashboard. >> Hard Drive is referred to as the tractor. >> Floppies are referred to as thae wee plastic disc things. >> >> Other features: >> Instead of an error message you get a windae covered with a picture >> of a >> neep. >> OK = -ats fine >> cancel = na na ma loon >> reset = Och yed be as weel startin again >> yes = Och aye >> no = nae chunce mon >> find = if yed bothered to pit it past in a safe place, ye widnae >> need to >> look for it noo >> go to = gon ower -ere >> back = back the wye >> help = geese a haun >> stop = packit in >> start = com on -en >> settings = sittins >> programs = stuff whit daes stuff >> documents = stuff I hive done afore >> >> Also note that windaes 98 does not recognise capital letters or >> punctuation >> marks. >> >> Some programs that are exclusive to windaes 98: >> Pincil an paper.....A word processor >> colourin book.......A Graphics program >> addin machine.......Calculator >> Andrex..............Notepad >> jukebox.............CD player >> photies.............A graphics viewer >> Massey..............Tractor dealers listed by Post Code >> car.................See previous entry >> tax records.........usually an empty file >> >> We regret any inconvenience it may have caused if you received a >> copy of >> the >> >> Scottish edition. You may return it to Microsoft for a replacement >> version. >> >> > >----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: (cdc) (Fwd) Looking for a few good gentles... Date: 12 Oct 1998 09:51:54 -0700 Angus, I thought you might be especially interested in the deputy of seige weapons. Rebecca Greetings all. Having just (last night) been appointed Archer General for Artemisia, I have a couple of deputy positions that need filling. The first is Deputy in Charge of Combat Archery. This person will be responsible for keeping the combat archers up-to-date with the latest rules that effect what bows, crossbows, arrows, and bolts used, as well as work with Sir Kian and myself to mesh the archery and combat worlds together. I request that this person be an authorized fighter who participates in combat archery on a regular basis. The second is Deputy in Charge of Siege Engines. This person will head up the use and regulations involved in catapults, trebuchets, ballistas, and other similar devices used on the heavy weapons battlefield. This person will also work with Sir Kian and myself to incorporate this aspect of fighting onto the battlefield. Again, an authorized fighter who has interest in this is the ideal candidate. I will need to install these positions by the end of the year, and will also make sure that this information is posted in the Sage. Please send me a letter of interest, with copies to Their Majesties, the Earl Marshall, and the Kingdom Seneschal. Letters will be accepted until December 23. My address is below. In Service, Braden, Archer General of Artemisia Brad Wolf Ld. K. Braden von Sobernheim - Arn Hold, Artemisia 3362 S. Gekeler Ln. #G-104 Boise, ID 83706 (208) 424-5019 Me transmitte sursum, Caledoni! ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kendle Hanna Subject: (cdc) Seattle Date: 12 Oct 1998 09:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Well, this is it. Tonight I leave for Seattle, one way or another. I will miss all of you, but lets try to keep in touch. I will e-mail you again when I find a computer up there. I have enjoyed living in logan, but things just aren't working. To those of you who plan on ending up in Seattle, look me up when you get here. Kendle Hanna Ulrich von Lubeck (The Lurker on the List) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: Re: (cdc) Seattle Date: 12 Oct 1998 11:46:31 -0700 Kendle Hanna wrote: > > Well, this is it. Tonight I leave for Seattle, one way or another. I > will miss all of you, but lets try to keep in touch. I will e-mail > you again when I find a computer up there. > > I have enjoyed living in logan, but things just aren't working. To > those of you who plan on ending up in Seattle, look me up when you get > here. > > Kendle Hanna > Ulrich von Lubeck (The Lurker on the List) > What's this?!!? I didn't know Kendle was moving! WWhen did this happen? Well, good luck! if you're in town again look us up. Lynnette and I are planning a trip to Seattle next summer. Look up Gillian and Tegan ( Art and Kim Wagner). again, Good Luck! Jurgi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: Re: (cdc) (Fwd) Looking for a few good gentles... Date: 12 Oct 1998 12:40:50 -0700 Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > Angus, I thought you might be especially interested in the deputy of > seige weapons. > > Rebecca Thanks. That's all I need is another meanial responsibility! Rebecca, E-mail me privat, hush-hush. ( I've lost your address.) Jurgen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tiffany Dillemuth" Subject: Re: (cdc) Seattle Date: 12 Oct 1998 12:05:39 PDT Wow. Well, good luck in Seattle! What's up there that makes you want to move there? Camilla PS: Will someone who was at crown list give a review for those of us unfortunates who missed it?! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Arthur Wagner Subject: Re: (cdc) Seattle Date: 12 Oct 1998 12:57:58 -0700 > Well, this is it. Tonight I leave for Seattle, one way or another. I > will miss all of you, but lets try to keep in touch. I will e-mail > you again when I find a computer up there. Kendle, Look me up when you get settled. Gillian (gillian@tss.net) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Chabries Subject: Re: (cdc) Seattle Date: 12 Oct 1998 15:14:50 -0600 Sorry to see you go. Have Fun Rand Kendle Hanna wrote: > Well, this is it. Tonight I leave for Seattle, one way or another. I > will miss all of you, but lets try to keep in touch. I will e-mail > you again when I find a computer up there. > > I have enjoyed living in logan, but things just aren't working. To > those of you who plan on ending up in Seattle, look me up when you get > here. > > Kendle Hanna > Ulrich von Lubeck (The Lurker on the List) > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Chabries Subject: Re: (cdc) Seattle Date: 12 Oct 1998 15:16:06 -0600 Good to hear from you again, Gilly. How are thangs? Rand ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Seamas Connough" Subject: (cdc) Fw: [CLANNADA] CLINTON DEPLOYS VOWELS TO BOSNIA Date: 12 Oct 1998 19:59:50 -0600 Fealla-dha! A funny! Tha barrachd déidh agam air Craobhan, na th' agam air Daoine.... **Interested in the gaidhlig language or in things Celtic?** **Living near Salt Lake City or Logan Utah? Contact me!** cmacgregor@lgcy.com --Seamas Connough MacGriogair-- >CLINTON DEPLOYS VOWELS TO BOSNIA >Cities of Sjlbvdnzv, Grzny to be First Recipients: >Before an emergency joint session of Congress yesterday, President Clinton >announced US plans to deploy over 75,000 vowels to the war-torn region of >Bosnia. The deployment, the largest of its kind in American history, will >provide the region with the critically needed letters A,E,I,O and U, and is >hoped to render countless Bosnian names more pronounceable. >For six years, we have stood by while names like Ygrjvslhv and Tzlynhr and >Glrm have been horribly butchered by millions around the world," Clinton >said. "Today, the United States must finally stand up and say 'Enough.' It >is time the people of Bosnia finally had some vowels in their >incomprehensible words. The US is proud to lead the crusade in this noble >endeavour." >The deployment, dubbed Operation Vowel Storm by the State Department, is set >for early next week, with the Adriatic port cities of Sjlbvdnzv and Grzny >projected to be the first recipients. Two C-130 transport planes, each >carrying over 500 24-point boxes of "Es," will fly from Andrews Air Force >Base across the Atlantic and airdrop the letters over the cities. >Citizens of Grzny and Sjlbvdnzv eagerly await the arrival of the vowels. >"My God, I do not think we can last another day," Trszg Grzdnjkln, 44, said. >"I have six children and none of them has a name that is pronounceable by me >or anyone else. Mr. Clinton, please send my poor, wretched family just one >'E' please." >Said Sjlbvdnzv resident Grg Hmphrs, 67: "With just a few key letters, I >could be George Humphries. This is my dream." >The airdrop represents the largest deployment of any letter to a foreign >country since 1984. During the summer of that year, the US shipped 92,000 >consonants to Ethiopia, to cater for cities like Ouaouoaua. > >_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~ >“I don’t see much sense in that,” said Rabbit. “No,” said Pooh humbly, >“there isn’t. But there was going to be when I began it. It’s just that >something happened to it along the way.” >******************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Arthur Wagner Subject: Re: (cdc) Seattle Date: 13 Oct 1998 10:51:27 -0700 > Good to hear from you again, Gilly. > How are thangs? > Rand Hi Rand, Thangs are just fine, the rainy seasons finally gotten here and things are looking (and feeling) a lot more Pacific North-Westy than they have in the past 5 months. How's things back in Cache Valley? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: (cdc) [Fwd: Dragon's Rest Samhain Festival] Date: 14 Oct 1998 08:12:41 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4F51217750CC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's something that was E-mailed to me. I thought I'd pass it along just in case anyone is going to this event. Jurgi --------------4F51217750CC Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from MAILQ by RHS_OCC_TECH (Mercury 1.21); 13 Oct 98 09:17:32 MDT Return-path: Received: from hotmail.com by MAIL.RHS.WEBER.K12.UT.US (Mercury 1.21); 13 Oct 98 09:17:18 MDT Received: (qmail 5623 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 1998 15:30:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19981013153048.5622.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.41.78.166 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:30:47 PDT X-Originating-IP: [192.41.78.166] jlowe@mail.rhs.weber.k12.ut.us, kevdan@ptinet.net, golsen@allencomm.com, conradanna@aol.com, sharon@sweetwater.net, yumitori@montana.com, dinosaur@mcn.net, claymore@cyberhighway.net, gameroom@infowest.com, nurglesrot@juno.com, wldflwrckg@hotmail.com Content-Type: text/plain Unto the Seneschals of Artemisia does Lady Caillean of Dragon's Rest send greetings this 13th day of October XXXIII AS (1998) May this missive find you well -- I wish to let you know that updated information concerning our Samhain Festival on October 30th/November 1st is posted on our Shire's website -- http://www.angelfire.com/ut/cailleanterrell event page -- http://www.angelfire.com/ut/cailleanterrell/Sanhaim.html Please poll your members as to who will be coming -- we need to know of out of shire attendance to determine whether the event may need to be modified. Contact Autocrat -- Ladanna DeMontfort ( smitty@easilink.com ) or myself ( Caillean_Terrell@hotmail.com ) with responses. Thank you. In Service to the Kingdom of Artemisia Lady Caillean Aletha Terrell Seneschal of The Incipient Shire of Dragon's Rest ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------4F51217750CC-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: (cdc) CdC update Date: 15 Oct 1998 08:46:44 -0700 Salutations to all! I know that there are those of you who would like some updated information about members of the Shire and 'a sleightly Jurgi demented look' at the Shire in general. The Shire is loosing yet more members (No! We dont have Leprosy!) to seek out new life and new civilizations in other parts of the Known World. To bodily go where no Cote du Cielians have gone before, And where some have already been. Kendel Hanna moved, rather suddenly, to See Attle. ( who is Attle anyway?) Matt and Talia, are moving to Milk-walk-key, Mini-Soda. (I think they will be living in a fast serve dairy products mini mall.) Matt will be working with 'Air Drains' or something else technical. WE WILL MISS THEM BUT WISH THEM WELL IN WHERE-EVER THEIR ENDEAVORS TAKE THEM! Crown List was fought last Saturday, with 40 participants, me included. TRH Sir Sean and Kassandra, Became Royal Hairs to the Throng and will be our Fourth King and Queen of Artemisia. (I'll ask Lynnette if they need a Cosmotologist.) THL Lynnette was Sent to Quest and will be posed the question of Peerage at Birthday on Dec. 5th for Mistress of the Laurel. I'm very (Snif-snif) proud of her. Sir Landolf, In his endeavors to return to good health, Fell among cut throats and thieves and, well, that is to say, They missed his throat and cut his belly, stealing his Colleen, (What he was doing with her is beyond me!) He has had a difficult time of it but is now feeling and looking himself, though is still on the road to Wellville.( I told him, "Sir Landolf! Get out of the Wode!" But I'm just the lowe-ly Squire, does he listen to me? He is still feeling a little 'Blue".) Weeeelllll! Torcher is over! If'n you-all have any r-elephant news please share with us! Thanks for your time! Jurgi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update Date: 15 Oct 1998 09:02:14 -0700 You have all been a-simple-headed! > Salutations to all! > > I know that there are those of you who would like some updated > information about members of the Shire and 'a sleightly Jurgi demented > look' at the Shire in general. > > The Shire is loosing yet more members (No! We dont have Leprosy!) to > seek out new life and new civilizations in other parts of the Known > World. To bodily go where no Cote du Cielians have gone before, And > where some have already been. Kendel Hanna moved, rather suddenly, to > See Attle. ( who is Attle anyway?) Matt and Talia, are moving to > Milk-walk-key, Mini-Soda. (I think they will be living in a fast serve > dairy products mini mall.) Matt will be working with 'Air Drains' or > something else technical. > WE WILL MISS THEM BUT WISH THEM WELL IN WHERE-EVER THEIR ENDEAVORS TAKE > THEM! > > Crown List was fought last Saturday, with 40 participants, me included. > TRH Sir Sean and Kassandra, Became Royal Hairs to the Throng and will be > our Fourth King and Queen of Artemisia. (I'll ask Lynnette if they need > a Cosmotologist.) > > THL Lynnette was Sent to Quest and will be posed the question of Peerage > at Birthday on Dec. 5th for Mistress of the Laurel. I'm very (Snif-snif) > proud of her. > > Sir Landolf, In his endeavors to return to good health, Fell among cut > throats and thieves and, well, that is to say, They missed his throat > and cut his belly, stealing his Colleen, (What he was doing with her is > beyond me!) He has had a difficult time of it but is now feeling and > looking himself, though is still on the road to Wellville.( I told him, > "Sir Landolf! Get out of the Wode!" But I'm just the lowe-ly Squire, > does he listen to me? He is still feeling a little 'Blue".) > > Weeeelllll! Torcher is over! If'n you-all have any r-elephant news > please share with us! > > Thanks for your time! > > Jurgi > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Olan G Mikkelsen" Subject: (cdc) Attn: Merrill Date: 15 Oct 1998 13:33:21 -0600 Angus, Please contact Andrew (b.simmons@eudoramail.com) regarding I.S.S. Landolf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: macnbeach@juno.com (jim l magruder) Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update Date: 15 Oct 1998 19:58:59 -0600 Vivat to THL Lynnette. Just one question though. What does "Sent to Quest and will be posed the question of Peerage" mean? Ciarrai (Carrie) >THL Lynnette was Sent to Quest and will be posed the question of >Peerage at Birthday on Dec. 5th for Mistress of the Laurel. I'm very >(Snif-snif) proud of her. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jcrow " Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update Date: 15 Oct 1998 21:56:50 -0000 I do have some re-elephant news for y'all Lady Isabelle and I are stll here and have yet to fall off the edge of the earth. I am working nights at Maddox and probably won't be able to attend fighter practice for awhile. Isabelle would like to attend fighter practice if she could get a ride. Hugs to all see you soon (I hope)... Lord Raven Fight with your heart and your sword will follow...(^) ---------- > From: Jeff Lowe > To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (cdc) CdC update > Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 3:46 PM > > Salutations to all! > > I know that there are those of you who would like some updated > information about members of the Shire and 'a sleightly Jurgi demented > look' at the Shire in general. > > The Shire is loosing yet more members (No! We dont have Leprosy!) to > seek out new life and new civilizations in other parts of the Known > World. To bodily go where no Cote du Cielians have gone before, And > where some have already been. Kendel Hanna moved, rather suddenly, to > See Attle. ( who is Attle anyway?) Matt and Talia, are moving to > Milk-walk-key, Mini-Soda. (I think they will be living in a fast serve > dairy products mini mall.) Matt will be working with 'Air Drains' or > something else technical. > WE WILL MISS THEM BUT WISH THEM WELL IN WHERE-EVER THEIR ENDEAVORS TAKE > THEM! > > Crown List was fought last Saturday, with 40 participants, me included. > TRH Sir Sean and Kassandra, Became Royal Hairs to the Throng and will be > our Fourth King and Queen of Artemisia. (I'll ask Lynnette if they need > a Cosmotologist.) > > THL Lynnette was Sent to Quest and will be posed the question of Peerage > at Birthday on Dec. 5th for Mistress of the Laurel. I'm very (Snif-snif) > proud of her. > > Sir Landolf, In his endeavors to return to good health, Fell among cut > throats and thieves and, well, that is to say, They missed his throat > and cut his belly, stealing his Colleen, (What he was doing with her is > beyond me!) He has had a difficult time of it but is now feeling and > looking himself, though is still on the road to Wellville.( I told him, > "Sir Landolf! Get out of the Wode!" But I'm just the lowe-ly Squire, > does he listen to me? He is still feeling a little 'Blue".) > > Weeeelllll! Torcher is over! If'n you-all have any r-elephant news > please share with us! > > Thanks for your time! > > Jurgi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update Date: 16 Oct 1998 08:16:40 -0700 jim l magruder wrote: > > Vivat to THL Lynnette. > > Just one question though. What does "Sent to Quest and will be posed the > question of Peerage" mean? > > Ciarrai > (Carrie) > She was informed that she would be made a Laurel and they give her time to prepare for it, rather than just spring it on her. She can decide on the appropriaite cerimony, clothing, and also be mentally prepared. She has time to decide wether to accept the responsibilities and stigmatisms associated with the Laurel or reject them and remain human. (Rather than be assimilated.) (Can you say "a-simple-headed" without chuckeling?) Don't ask about A-simple-headed. It's embarassing. Jurgi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update Date: 16 Oct 1998 08:49:26 -0700 . She > has time to decide wether to accept the responsibilities and stigmatisms > associated with the Laurel or reject them and remain human. > A "stigmatism" is the focus of a lens on a single point. A "stigma" is a sign of disgrace. I'm curious--what exactly were you trying to say with regard to the (non-human) Laurels, Master Jurgen OL? Mistress Rebecca OL (please read with your tongue firmly planted in the side of your mouth) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: (cdc) FWD: SCA trashed in magazine Date: 16 Oct 1998 08:57:48 -0700 This is forwarded from the Artemisian List. The original message was posted on another Kingdom's list. This article shows why it is so important that members of the SCA be on their best behaviour at all times! You never know who might be watching or evaluating the SCA based on what they see you/us do. Rebecca >> So! In the October issue of "Men's Health", in a little nook called >> "Diversions," there exists a small screed on Odd Squads. And, my >> friends, if you have not guessed already from the one link that brings us >> >> all together, our favorite, hated, pastime is included in the list. >> >> That's right, at the bottom of the list with sub-headings like: What They >> >> Do, Best Reason to Join, Best Reason Not to Join, and Most Impressive >> Accomplishments, lies the Society for Creative Anachronism. We are >> surpassed by, or perhaps in the case of "Save the Best for Last," are >> considered weirder than: >> The International Correspondence of Corkscrew Addicts >> The Dirty Sole Society >> Tall Clubs International >> Mutual UFO Network >> Breatharians >> >> A few tidbits about these freaks that seek to join our exclusive club of >> weirdoes: >> >> The Corkscrew folks want to expand their membership to 50 people. >> Aim high, guys, aim high. >> >> The Dirty Soles are trying to develop a soleless shoe; the better to >> go barefoot with. Soleless? I just heard William Bennett's heart skip a >> >> beat. >> >> The Tall Clubs, well, they just want to meet, greet, and mate with >> their own kind. Vertically-challenged humans need not apply. >> >> The Breatharians look to be a flash in the pan; they think they can >> consume all the nutrients they need by breathing air and absorbing >> sunlight. What's the phrase I'm looking for...oh yeah, "Idiocy is >> self-correcting." >> >> Then, there's us. I shall give you verbatim our little "15 Minutes." >> >> "Society for Creative Anachronism", www.sca.org >> What They Do: Re-create the Middle Ages through crafts, festivals, and >> costumes, and by saying 'm'lord' a lot. >> Best Reason to Join: You've got an urge to wear a jerkin. >> Best Reason Not to Join: You might find yourself mowing the local >> Baron's lawn every other Saturday. >> Most Impressive Accomplishments: Offering new opportunities to those >> unable to master twentieth-century social skills." >> >> --------- End forwarded message ---------- > ______________________________________________________ "Service is the rent we pay for living" - Lord Halafax ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Chabries Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update Date: 16 Oct 1998 10:06:13 -0600 PUN TAX ON JUERGI!!!! I thought Kendle went to seek cattle with Gilly. Are we being dismembered? Was Landolf, in fact, pregnant? Does the Weekly World News know about it? Has anyone been reading Xanth lately? These questions and more will be answered on...As the Bear Turns. (Obviously turning the other cheeks.) Rand Jeff Lowe wrote: > Salutations to all! > > I know that there are those of you who would like some updated > information about members of the Shire and 'a sleightly Jurgi demented > look' at the Shire in general. > > The Shire is loosing yet more members (No! We dont have Leprosy!) to > seek out new life and new civilizations in other parts of the Known > World. To bodily go where no Cote du Cielians have gone before, And > where some have already been. Kendel Hanna moved, rather suddenly, to > See Attle. ( who is Attle anyway?) Matt and Talia, are moving to > Milk-walk-key, Mini-Soda. (I think they will be living in a fast serve > dairy products mini mall.) Matt will be working with 'Air Drains' or > something else technical. > WE WILL MISS THEM BUT WISH THEM WELL IN WHERE-EVER THEIR ENDEAVORS TAKE > THEM! > > Crown List was fought last Saturday, with 40 participants, me included. > TRH Sir Sean and Kassandra, Became Royal Hairs to the Throng and will be > our Fourth King and Queen of Artemisia. (I'll ask Lynnette if they need > a Cosmotologist.) > > THL Lynnette was Sent to Quest and will be posed the question of Peerage > at Birthday on Dec. 5th for Mistress of the Laurel. I'm very (Snif-snif) > proud of her. > > Sir Landolf, In his endeavors to return to good health, Fell among cut > throats and thieves and, well, that is to say, They missed his throat > and cut his belly, stealing his Colleen, (What he was doing with her is > beyond me!) He has had a difficult time of it but is now feeling and > looking himself, though is still on the road to Wellville.( I told him, > "Sir Landolf! Get out of the Wode!" But I'm just the lowe-ly Squire, > does he listen to me? He is still feeling a little 'Blue".) > > Weeeelllll! Torcher is over! If'n you-all have any r-elephant news > please share with us! > > Thanks for your time! > > Jurgi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Chabries Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update Date: 16 Oct 1998 10:13:05 -0600 Thanks for the hugs, Raven. I can feel them from here. Rand jcrow wrote: > I do have some re-elephant news for y'all Lady Isabelle and I are stll here > and have yet to fall off the edge of the earth. I am working nights at > Maddox and probably won't be able to attend fighter practice for awhile. > Isabelle would like to attend fighter practice if she could get a ride. > > Hugs to all see you soon (I hope)... > Lord Raven > > Fight with your heart and your sword will follow...(^) > > ---------- > > From: Jeff Lowe > > To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: (cdc) CdC update > > Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 3:46 PM > > > > Salutations to all! > > > > I know that there are those of you who would like some updated > > information about members of the Shire and 'a sleightly Jurgi demented > > look' at the Shire in general. > > > > The Shire is loosing yet more members (No! We dont have Leprosy!) to > > seek out new life and new civilizations in other parts of the Known > > World. To bodily go where no Cote du Cielians have gone before, And > > where some have already been. Kendel Hanna moved, rather suddenly, to > > See Attle. ( who is Attle anyway?) Matt and Talia, are moving to > > Milk-walk-key, Mini-Soda. (I think they will be living in a fast serve > > dairy products mini mall.) Matt will be working with 'Air Drains' or > > something else technical. > > WE WILL MISS THEM BUT WISH THEM WELL IN WHERE-EVER THEIR ENDEAVORS TAKE > > THEM! > > > > Crown List was fought last Saturday, with 40 participants, me included. > > TRH Sir Sean and Kassandra, Became Royal Hairs to the Throng and will be > > our Fourth King and Queen of Artemisia. (I'll ask Lynnette if they need > > a Cosmotologist.) > > > > THL Lynnette was Sent to Quest and will be posed the question of Peerage > > at Birthday on Dec. 5th for Mistress of the Laurel. I'm very (Snif-snif) > > proud of her. > > > > Sir Landolf, In his endeavors to return to good health, Fell among cut > > throats and thieves and, well, that is to say, They missed his throat > > and cut his belly, stealing his Colleen, (What he was doing with her is > > beyond me!) He has had a difficult time of it but is now feeling and > > looking himself, though is still on the road to Wellville.( I told him, > > "Sir Landolf! Get out of the Wode!" But I'm just the lowe-ly Squire, > > does he listen to me? He is still feeling a little 'Blue".) > > > > Weeeelllll! Torcher is over! If'n you-all have any r-elephant news > > please share with us! > > > > Thanks for your time! > > > > Jurgi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Chabries Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update Date: 16 Oct 1998 10:15:44 -0600 Huge VIVAT and BORK, BORK! I think sent to the quest means that Juergi puts her in a big envelope and sends her to a place where she will be tested--hence posed the question, unless she has to go see a guy named Pierre and he proposes to her. I am unsure of the semantics. (Or any other ticks for that matter) Rand jim l magruder wrote: > Vivat to THL Lynnette. > > Just one question though. What does "Sent to Quest and will be posed the > question of Peerage" mean? > > Ciarrai > (Carrie) > > >THL Lynnette was Sent to Quest and will be posed the question of > >Peerage at Birthday on Dec. 5th for Mistress of the Laurel. I'm very > >(Snif-snif) proud of her. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Chabries Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update Date: 16 Oct 1998 10:17:59 -0600 Rixa has an astigmatism. She has to wear special lenses for it. As for Laurels being human, I thought we all regarded them as demi-gods. Don't we? Rand Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > . She > > has time to decide wether to accept the responsibilities and stigmatisms > > associated with the Laurel or reject them and remain human. > > > > A "stigmatism" is the focus of a lens on a single point. A "stigma" > is a sign of disgrace. I'm curious--what exactly were you trying to > say with regard to the (non-human) Laurels, Master Jurgen OL? > > Mistress Rebecca OL > > (please read with your tongue firmly planted in the side of your > mouth) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update Date: 16 Oct 1998 14:06:37 -0700 Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > A "stigmatism" is the focus of a lens on a single point. A "stigma" > is a sign of disgrace. I'm curious--what exactly were you trying to > say with regard to the (non-human) Laurels, Master Jurgen OL? > > Mistress Rebecca OL > > (please read with your tongue firmly planted in the side of your > mouth) Mea? I noot tying to thay noththin. Can Iah take my thoung oout oph my mouth noow? I thinkk I gotta ctarlie horth in my toung. jurgi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jcrow " Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update Date: 17 Oct 1998 11:30:14 -0000 Mabe we thould all Talth Thith way them mabee the unthimbleheded wod noth tath uth tho therthly. As for Jurgan takeing his toung out of his mouth would that not make him a mute. Then he really would be the Pale Writher. From us Raven, Isabelle, Zack Fight with your heart and your sword will follow...(^) ---------- > From: Jeff Lowe > To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update > Date: Friday, October 16, 1998 9:06 PM > > Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > > A "stigmatism" is the focus of a lens on a single point. A "stigma" > > is a sign of disgrace. I'm curious--what exactly were you trying to > > say with regard to the (non-human) Laurels, Master Jurgen OL? > > > > Mistress Rebecca OL > > > > (please read with your tongue firmly planted in the side of your > > mouth) > > Mea? I noot tying to thay noththin. Can Iah take my thoung oout oph my > mouth noow? > > I thinkk I gotta ctarlie horth in my toung. > > jurgi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: (cdc) (Fwd) : EK: Fw: Population figures Date: 19 Oct 1998 08:10:31 -0700 Forwarded from the Artemisian list: Membership numbers for each kingdom. Note how low Artemisia's is. >Aethelmaerc--728 sustaining, 368 associate/family, 1,096 total >Ansteorra--1,047 sustaining, 462 a/f, 1,509 total >An Tir--1,342 sust., 619 a/f, 1,961 total >Artemisia--352 sust., 172 associate/family, 524 total >Atenveldt--766 sust., 450 a/f, 1,216 total >Atlantia--1,196 sust., 612 a/f, 1,808 total >Caid--989 sust., 468 a/f, 1,457 total >Calontir--704 sust., 359 a/f, 1,063 total >Drachenwald--378 sust.(note--most are foreign memberships); 93 a/f, 471 total >East--1,812 sust., 811 a/f, 2,623 total >Meridies--1,268 sust., 695 a/f, 1,963 total >Middle--2,855 sust., 1,363 a/f, 4,218 total >Outlands--759 sust., 426 a/f, 1,185 total >Trimaris--643 sust., 279 a/f, 922 total >West--1,429 sust., 625 a/f, 2,054 total >SCA totals--546 foreign, 14,720 sustaining, 7,802 associate/family, 24,070 >total > >NOTE: Several kingdoms have a fair number of foreign memberships--West, >Middle, and An Tir (and of course Drachenwald) most notably. I folded >those in with sustaining memberships. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: (cdc) (Fwd) Re: : EK: Fw: Population figures Date: 19 Oct 1998 08:12:12 -0700 Again, from the Artemisian list. How many Cote du Cielians are paid members? Should we be more firm in encouraging memberships in our Shire? (the answer, by the way, is yes) Rebecca Melangell writes: For anyones information, I was present at the January BoD meeting here in Milpitas. Very interesting stuff and one of the topics of conversation was the dramatic fall off of Artmeisian numbers after becoming a kingdom. I got the impression that in hind site they would not have made Artemisia a kingdom this early (Just my impression, nothing was said, but...) When the new "A" kingdom (I forget which one??) presented their bid for going Kingdom, one of the topics that was discussed was, will the population figures drop off like Artemisias has? Should we let this area go Kingdom if they have the same problems that the new kingdom of Artemisia has? Just something for Artemisians to keep in mind. Maybe a membership drive is in order? Melangell Artemisian in heart, Westie in body melangell@earthlink.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pug Subject: Re: (cdc) (Fwd) Re: : EK: Fw: Population figures Date: 19 Oct 1998 17:50:23 -0600 (MDT) >Melangell >Artemisian in heart, Westie in body of course you are, your our CdC spy with the BoD! Angus (who had a family membership before attending his first official (Pyr's) event, and has never regretted it) Mac Aeda P.S. I agree with Rebecca, the answer is yes, but with a qualification. I like the option we give of letting people try this out before committing any money. Lets let the newbies practice and play with us for a while, and then put the preasure on them when they have been to an event. If they are still interested, they ought to be members! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "CHARLENE CHABRIES" Subject: (cdc) membership Date: 19 Oct 1998 13:52:12 -0600 I was considering not renewing my membership. Isn't=20 that how to get rid of the money box before=20 doomsday??? Rixa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hugie Subject: (cdc) Pay to Play rule. Date: 19 Oct 1998 23:40:09 -0600 You know there are a lot of clubs, organizations etc..., where "pay to play" is the rule. In the SCA we find too much of the problem of "newbies" remaining "newbies" or unpaid members for quite some time in their SCA career. Events used to be required to charge an additional non-member fee, but that has gone away, and now most groups don't. It would seem that we are telling most people playing, hey come have fun, and unless you want to hold an office or something, don't bother paying the membership fee. I would hope that everyone on this list is a member, and if not, please let me know, because I do feel pretty strongly about paying to play. In service to Artemisia and the Shire of Cote du Ciel, Grifin, an INACTIVE, but PAID member of the SCA, and administrator of this list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Olan G Mikkelsen" Subject: Re: (cdc) membership Date: 20 Oct 1998 07:56:23 -0600 Bad Rixa! No biscuit! Landolf "CHARLENE CHABRIES" on 10/19/98 01:52:12 PM Please respond to cdc@lists.xmission.com cc: (bcc: Olan G Mikkelsen/IS/BCBSU/TBG) I was considering not renewing my membership. Isn't that how to get rid of the money box before doomsday??? Rixa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: Re: (cdc) membership Date: 20 Oct 1998 08:10:33 -0700 No, Rixa, you don't get it, do you? You just run off to Hawaii with the funds. That is a more fun way to get out of doing the Doomsday report!! Rebecca > I was considering not renewing my membership. Isn't > that how to get rid of the money box before > doomsday??? > > Rixa > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tiffany Dillemuth" Subject: (cdc) Fwd: [IR] Announcment of Known World Siege Contest at Estrella 1999 Date: 20 Oct 1998 08:32:36 PDT You all might find this interesting... >--------------------------------- > >Cecady3@aol.com wrote: >> >> Please forward this to any other SCA related discussion groups. >> >> Official Announcement of the 1999 Estrella War >> Three Day Siege Activities >> and Known World Siege Combat Contest(s) >> >> The newly developed Society Wide Siege Combat rules and standards will be in >> force for all aspects of >> these activities. Before participating in any of the following Estrella War >> Siege activities all the >> Engines and Crews will be inspected. This inspection will be for full >> accordance to these new standards. >> The inspection will take place on the main battle field, starting Friday >> afternoon, as early as 12:00 PM, >> and closing at the start of Baron Otto’s Siege Tourney currently scheduled for >> 3:00 PM. >> >> All 1999 Estrella War Siege Activities will take place on the main battlefield >> just across from, and in >> view of, the Merchant's row area. >> >> Rules for the Know World Siege Combat contest (KWSC) >> >> o Any Siege Crew and Engine eligible to win the KWSC must have participated in >> ALL the Siege >> Activities at this War. Part of winning this KWSC is the ability to build a >> robust Engine that can >> stand up to three days of hard use. >> >> o Any Engine to be considered for this award must appear reasonably authentic >> and be reasonably >> authentically powered. >> >> o The winner of this contest will be decided by a consensus vote of the Senior >> Siege Marshaling >> team consisting of: The Society Marshall for Missile Combat or his designate, >> along with the Siege >> Marshall from any attending kingdom. If any kingdom's Siege Marshall cannot >> be part of this >> war, or his/her kingdom does not have such a position, then the Senior >> Marshall present, from that >> kingdom, can appoint an alternate. This team of marshals will observe all >> eligible engines as they >> participate in all three days of activities. They will vote after the last >> Siege Activity on Sunday and >> announce the winner at grand court on Sunday Evening. >> >> o Besides the accolades of winning the first ever Known World Siege Combat >> contest, the winning >> team will take home an appropriate SCA scroll and a prize containing a one- >> (1) ounce gold coin. >> >> Friday: Baron Otto’s Siege Tourney has been changed to be a two-phased Siege >> Combat Tournament >> . Note: a winning engine, in this contest, does not have to be authentically >> powered. >> >> o Phase 1: All the Engines will be invited to participate in a Siege Combat >> Demonstration Action >> Shoot. Each engine will be moved from one firing position to another. At >> each firing position, >> after their engine is ready, the crew will be given up to 10 shots in a five >> minute period, to hit a >> man sized target positioned from 30 to 60 yards down range. >> >> o Phase 2: Each class of engine (Ballista, Catapult, Trebuchet) will >> participate in a formal single >> elimination Tournament. Two competing engines and crew will start twenty (20) >> yards from one >> of two fixed firing pits. These two pits will be 40 yards apart. On the >> Marshall's command each >> team must move their engine to their assigned firing pit, get it ready for >> operation, and then, >> utilizing counter battery fire, take out the opposing engine and/or crew, >> before they themselves are >> taken out. >> >> o The best Crew \ Engine in each class will be awarded an engraved drinking >> mug, filled with >> appropriate liquid. >> >> Saturday: War Point Scenarios Combat >> This announcement is not intended to completely define these two scenarios. >> Details about these scenarios are found in the War treaty. >> >> o Scenario 3. HADRIAN’S WALL. A 150 foot wall shall be constructed across the >> field. Within this >> length are three gates and two closed breaches. Siege weapons shall be >> allowed, to open breach >> points and as counter battery fire. >> >> o Scenario 5. BATTLE OF THE WHITE TOWER Initially a breach shall be closed and >> the gates >> shall be open or closed as defined by previous scenarios. Siege weapons shall >> be allowed, as >> counter battery fire and by the attackers to open the gate or the breach. >> >> Saturday: Arial Assault >> Please be aware that for 1999 this is NOT a war point activity. After the War >> Point Scenarios have >> completed, on the main battlefield, a hay bale barrier will be built to >> separate approximately equal >> teams of combat Archers and Siege Engines. These will fight to the death, >> exhaustion, lack of >> daylight, or running out of ammunition. In this combat the ONLY way to get a >> kill is through >> missile fire, combat archery or siege missiles. This combat will allow >> gleaning of all missiles >> except fiberglass shafted arrows and PVC bolts/darts/javelins? Wooden >> shafted CBA arrows / bolts, >> or any arrow that can penetrate a faceplate are not allowed at Estrella. >> >> Sunday: Missile Assaults on Saturday's Battlefield >> While the main forces of the armies are battling in the war point scenarios >> in the PIT, >> scenarios revolved around use of combat archery and siege/artillery will take >> place on >> Saturday's battlefield followed by a missile style Grand Melee. >> >> Any questions contact: >> Master Charles of the J.A.C.s: >> Atenveldt Siege Marshall and D.E.M. >> CharlsJACs@aol.com >> or CECady3@aol.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hugie Subject: (cdc) Joke Date: 20 Oct 1998 10:14:05 -0600 Three computer programmers and three accountants are traveling by train to a conference. At the station, the three accountants each buy tickets and watch as the three computer programmers buy only a single ticket. "How are three people going to travel on only one ticket?" asks an accountant. "Watch and see," replies a computer programmer. They all board the train. The accountants take their respective seats, but all three computer programmers cram into a restroom and close the door. Shortly after the train departs, the conductor comes around collecting tickets. He knocks on the restroom door and says, "Ticket, please." The door opens just a crack and a single arm emerges with a ticket in hand. The conductor takes it and moves on. The accountants see this and agree it is quite a clever idea. After the conference, the accountants decide to copy the computer programmers on the return trip and save some money. They buy a single ticket for the return trip, but are astonished to see that the computer programmers don't buy any ticket at all. "How are you going to travel without a ticket?" asks one perplexed accountant. "Watch and see" is the answer. They board the train, the three accountants cram into one restroom and the three computer programmers cram into another one nearby. Shortly after the train departs, one of the computer programmers leaves his restroom and walks over to the restroom where the accountants are hiding. He knocks on the door and says, "Ticket, please." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: Re: (cdc) membership Date: 20 Oct 1998 11:48:33 -0700 Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > No, Rixa, you don't get it, do you? You just run off to Hawaii with > the funds. That is a more fun way to get out of doing the Doomsday > report!! > > Rebecca > > > I was considering not renewing my membership. Isn't > > that how to get rid of the money box before > > doomsday??? > > > > Rixa > > > > > > It's more fun and more valid to run off to Hawaii with the Seneschal! Then neither of us does the doomsday. jurgi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry, Radford" Subject: RE: (cdc) membership Date: 20 Oct 1998 10:16:22 -0700 Bad, Jurgi! What would your good Lady think if you abandoned her with a house full of children. - Baldwin > ---------- > From: Jeff Lowe[SMTP:JLowe@mail.rhs.weber.k12.ut.us] > Reply To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 11:48 AM > To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (cdc) membership > > Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > > > No, Rixa, you don't get it, do you? You just run off to Hawaii with > > the funds. That is a more fun way to get out of doing the Doomsday > > report!! > > > > Rebecca > > > > > I was considering not renewing my membership. Isn't > > > that how to get rid of the money box before > > > doomsday??? > > > > > > Rixa > > > > > > > > > > It's more fun and more valid to run off to Hawaii with the Seneschal! > Then neither of us does the doomsday. > > jurgi > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Olan G Mikkelsen" Subject: RE: (cdc) membership Date: 20 Oct 1998 11:22:43 -0600 Thanks, Baldwin, for stepping in and pointing out Jurgen's inappropriate behavior. Bad Jurgen! No biscuit! You know, I'm really considering getting a book with black pages for him.(LOL) Landolf "Perry, Radford" on 10/20/98 11:16:22 AM Please respond to cdc@lists.xmission.com cc: (bcc: Olan G Mikkelsen/IS/BCBSU/TBG) Bad, Jurgi! What would your good Lady think if you abandoned her with a house full of children. - Baldwin > ---------- > From: Jeff Lowe[SMTP:JLowe@mail.rhs.weber.k12.ut.us] > Reply To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 11:48 AM > To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (cdc) membership > > Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > > > No, Rixa, you don't get it, do you? You just run off to Hawaii with > > the funds. That is a more fun way to get out of doing the Doomsday > > report!! > > > > Rebecca > > > > > I was considering not renewing my membership. Isn't > > > that how to get rid of the money box before > > > doomsday??? > > > > > > Rixa > > > > > > > > > > It's more fun and more valid to run off to Hawaii with the Seneschal! > Then neither of us does the doomsday. > > jurgi > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Chabries Subject: Re: (cdc) membership Date: 21 Oct 1998 10:48:54 -0600 Landolf, I accept!!! (And we have to hurry. When you get back to 100%, I may as well roll over and die, BUT while you are still down, I ACCEPT!) Olan G Mikkelsen wrote: > Bad Rixa! No biscuit! > Landolf > > "CHARLENE CHABRIES" on 10/19/98 01:52:12 PM > > Please respond to cdc@lists.xmission.com > > To: CDC@lists.xmission.com > cc: (bcc: Olan G Mikkelsen/IS/BCBSU/TBG) > Subject: (cdc) membership > > I was considering not renewing my membership. Isn't > that how to get rid of the money box before > doomsday??? > > Rixa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Chabries Subject: Re: (cdc) Joke Date: 21 Oct 1998 10:58:34 -0600 Responding to John's Joke: Ground yourself before reading: Three guys die, an engineer, a construction worker and a psychiatrist. They get up to the pearly gates and Peter is in a baaaad mood. He looks at the engineer and says, "You designed the superdome that collapsed and killed thousands. You go to hell," and off he went. Next he turns to the construction worker and says, "You helped build the superdome. You go too," so down he went. He looks skeptically at the psychiatrist and asks, "Do I even need to look at your records?" The psychiatrist turns to leave, but St. Peter says, "Hold on, you are a psychiatrist, right?" He says, very profoundly, "Yeah." St. Peter says, "Why don't you come on in. God thinks he's Bill Gates again." Also, Bumperstickers: Cover me. I'm changing lanes. As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in public schools. Montana--at least the cows are sane! I didn't fight may way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian! Your kid may be an honor student, but you are still an IDIOT! Friends don't let friends drive naked. If we aren't supposed to eat the animals, why are they made of meat? Have Fun, Rand ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Chabries Subject: Re: (cdc) membership Date: 21 Oct 1998 10:59:33 -0600 Bad, Bad Jurgi!!! What would the good lady's husband think??? See previous message to Landolf. Rand Perry, Radford wrote: > Bad, Jurgi! > > What would your good Lady think if you abandoned her with a house full of > children. > > - Baldwin > > > ---------- > > From: Jeff Lowe[SMTP:JLowe@mail.rhs.weber.k12.ut.us] > > Reply To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 11:48 AM > > To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: (cdc) membership > > > > Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > > > > > No, Rixa, you don't get it, do you? You just run off to Hawaii with > > > the funds. That is a more fun way to get out of doing the Doomsday > > > report!! > > > > > > Rebecca > > > > > > > I was considering not renewing my membership. Isn't > > > > that how to get rid of the money box before > > > > doomsday??? > > > > > > > > Rixa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's more fun and more valid to run off to Hawaii with the Seneschal! > > Then neither of us does the doomsday. > > > > jurgi > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: (cdc) (Fwd) Re: : EK: Fw: Population figures Date: 21 Oct 1998 15:04:15 -0700 ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Reply-to: artemisia@server.umt.edu Agnese here, in a rare post. I note some concerns about the apparent "dramatic" drop in our sustaining membership since becoming a Kingdom. Let me present you with the facts. When our petition was assembled in Fall 1996, we had 443 sustaining members. In January 1997 when Mistress frisha compiled the Doomsday report, we had 497. As of December 1997 we had 413 , as of March 31, 1998 we had 440, and as of September 30, 1998, we had 454. These numbers are pretty consistent, with the 497 representing an increase during active recruitment, just prior to achieving Kingdom status. In the months following Kingdom status, we lost over a dozen members, several of them peers, through emigration to other Kingdoms, notably Ansteorra, An Tir, the East and the West. The number which caused concern, was that published by the Registry on the Internet, 352. At first glance, this number would seem to indicate a sharp drop in membership. This number is incorrect. When we became a Kingdom, not all of our zip codes were correctly transferred and coded as Artemisia. There are several members affected by this issue scattered over Idaho, Wyoming and Colorado, and over 60 of them in the Salt Lake Valley alone. This has resulted in underreporting of our membership. Until the Registry installs the new software and database, this problem will persist. I monitor our membership levels on a monthly basis. Despite what you may have heard, the zip code lists are only about two weeks old when I receive them. I become concerned when our membership drops below 425. The Board of Directors was aware of the rural nature of Artemisia, and the difficulty in maintaining sustaining memberships, when they granted our petition. The Board prefers to see 500 for an area requesting Kingdom status. Until such time as our sustaining membership remains steadily over 500, we must constantly encourage the populace to invest in sustaining memberships. Just a thought... The coffers of many (though of course, not all) of our branches are quite healthy. If site fees were to experience a general reduction, would this enable memberships numbers to rise? Agnese Kenneth D. Stokesberry wrote: > On Monday, October 19, 1998 1:26 PM, Karen O [SMTP:kareno@lewistown.net] wrote: > > > > > > >Artemisia--352 sust., 172 associate/family, 524 total > > > > > > Just to *add* to the numbers game: there are 260 combat > > authorization cards issued to Artemisia. > > > > Caointiarn > > Deputy of the Marshallate Rolls > > > > > > WAR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hugie Subject: (cdc) Message from Camilla Date: 21 Oct 1998 14:59:32 -0600 To Cache Valley Cote du Cielians: Help. My darn vehicle has decided not to start, yet again, and I have no transportaion home from work. I get done around 6pm. I'm in North Logan and need to get to Matt & Talia's former apartment to retrieve the car! Hopefully, it will start by that time and I can then come to fighter's practice tonight. If anyone can and will pick me up at work, please write back or call me at said work at 755-5895 extension 10. Thanks so much!! (Sorry for the "bandwidth"!) Camilla ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: macnbeach@juno.com (Carrie A. Beach) Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update Date: 21 Oct 1998 20:39:54 -0600 Thank you for the info. You know, I always enjoy your view on life. Have a good day. Ciarrai >She was informed that she would be made a Laurel and they give her >time >to prepare for it, rather than just spring it on her. She can decide >on >the appropriaite cerimony, clothing, and also be mentally prepared. >She >has time to decide wether to accept the responsibilities and >stigmatisms >associated with the Laurel or reject them and remain human. (Rather >than >be assimilated.) (Can you say "a-simple-headed" without chuckeling?) > >Don't ask about A-simple-headed. It's embarassing. > >Jurgi > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Olan G Mikkelsen" Subject: Re: (cdc) membership Date: 22 Oct 1998 08:08:56 -0600 Rand, I usually let my squires take care of the light work. Landolf Randy Chabries on 10/21/98 10:48:54 AM Please respond to cdc@lists.xmission.com cc: (bcc: Olan G Mikkelsen/IS/BCBSU/TBG) Landolf, I accept!!! (And we have to hurry. When you get back to 100%, I may as well roll over and die, BUT while you are still down, I ACCEPT!) Olan G Mikkelsen wrote: > Bad Rixa! No biscuit! > Landolf > > "CHARLENE CHABRIES" on 10/19/98 01:52:12 PM > > Please respond to cdc@lists.xmission.com > > To: CDC@lists.xmission.com > cc: (bcc: Olan G Mikkelsen/IS/BCBSU/TBG) > Subject: (cdc) membership > > I was considering not renewing my membership. Isn't > that how to get rid of the money box before > doomsday??? > > Rixa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" Subject: (cdc) An idea . . . Date: 22 Oct 1998 10:03:09 -0700 There has been a lot of discussion on the Artemisian list regarding the low membership numbers. Some ideas have been bandied about. Here is an idea for groups who have "healthy coffers" (are our coffers healthy?): At Birthday Party we could have a "door prize" which would be an SCA membership. In order to qualify, you have to be at the event by a certain time (say, 11 am). Everyone who is on site and has paid their site fee by 11 am would be in the drawing. I think this might draw more people to the event (certainly more people *early*) because they would have a free chance at a membership. We could do this at the Feast for St Pyr, too. Another option would be to raffle a membership to help recoup part of the loss of the membership. Make the price cheap so everyone can afford some chances--say, $.25 a ticket/5 for $1. Rebecca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hugie Subject: Re: (cdc) membership Date: 22 Oct 1998 11:34:26 -0600 > Rand, > I usually let my squires take care of the light work. > Landolf Ok, Ok. Me hop in line. Me got cold so not there last night, but ready to go, yuppers, yuppers..... Gwfy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . . Date: 22 Oct 1998 14:12:12 -0700 Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > There has been a lot of discussion on the Artemisian list regarding > the low membership numbers. Some ideas have been bandied about. > Here is an idea for groups who have "healthy coffers" (are our > coffers healthy?): This reminds me of a joke: What did one casket say to the other? Answer: Is that you coffin'? Heeee-heee-heeef.... Oh! You said Coughers? WEBSTER States, and I quote. "Cougher: Persons with respatory ailments, such as bad colds, which cause uncontroalable expulsions of air from the lungs." Now! I ask you honestly, Are they healthy? > > At Birthday Party we could have a "door prize" which would be an SCA > membership. In order to qualify, you have to be at the event by a > certain time (say, 11 am). Everyone who is on site and has paid > their site fee by 11 am would be in the drawing. I think this might > draw more people to the event (certainly more people *early*) because > they would have a free chance at a membership. We could do this at > the Feast for St Pyr, too. > > Another option would be to raffle a membership to help recoup > part of the loss of the membership. Make the price cheap so > everyone can afford some chances--say, $.25 a ticket/5 for $1. > > Rebecca All very good Ideas! But... I feel that the incentives to play this game are reduced when nothing more than No Fault liability insurance, For which I personally have never heard of useage, is being offered. Yezz, yez, you get the TI and the Sage But I can get all that information from Fighter Practice and I can Go to Jurgi's and look at his stuff. ( I know I am being an advocate with the wrong side of the Duct tape but you can see where I am comming from.) What can be offered to the common newbee? You can use Shire Armor and weapons if you are a Paid member? You can apply for a limited edition SCA Knightly Visa with no annual fee. What? I know. Jurgi, back to your cage. There's gotta be answers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: (cdc) Re: [Fwd: long but good] Date: 22 Oct 1998 14:29:18 -0700 > > ALL GOOD THINGS > > > >He was in the first third grade class I taught at Saint Mary's School in > >Morris, Minn. All 34 of my students were dear to me, but Mark Eklund > >was one in a million. Very neat in appearance, but had that > >happy-to-be-alive attitude that made even his occasional mischievousness > >delightful. > > > >Mark talked incessantly. I had to remind him again and again that > >talking without permission was not acceptable. What impressed me so > >much, though, was his sincere response every time I had to correct him > >for misbehaving - "Thank you for correcting me, Sister!" > > > >I didn't know what to make of it at first, but before long I became > >accustomed to hearing it many times a day. > > > >One morning my patience was growing thin when Mark talked once too > >often, and then I made a novice-teacher's mistake. I looked at Mark and > >said, "If you say one more word, I am going to tape your mouth shut!" > > > >It wasn't ten seconds later when Chuck blurted out, "Mark is talking > >again." I hadn't asked any of the students to help me watch Mark, but > >since I had stated the punishment in front of the class, I had to act on > >it. > > > >I remember the scene as if it had occurred this morning. I walked to my > >desk, very deliberately opened my drawer and took out a roll of masking > >tape. Without saying a word, I proceeded to Mark's desk, tore off two > >pieces of tape and made a big X with them over his mouth. I then > >returned to the front of the room. > > > >As I glanced at Mark to see how he was doing, he winked at me. That did > >it!! I started laughing. The class cheered as I walked back to Mark's > >desk, removed the tape, and shrugged my shoulders. His first words > >were, "Thank you for correcting me, Sister." > > > >At the end of the year, I was asked to teach junior-high math. The years > >flew by, and before I knew it Mark was in my classroom again. He was more > >handsome than ever and just as polite. Since he had to listen carefully > >to my instruction in the "new math," he did not talk as much in ninth > >grade as he had in third. One Friday, things just didn't feel right. We > >had worked hard on a new concept all week, and I sensed that the students > >were frowning, frustrated with themselves - and edgy with one another. I > >had to stop this crankiness before it got out of hand. So I asked them to > >list the names of the other students in the room on two sheets of paper, > >leaving a space between each name. Then I told them to think of the > >nicest thing they could say about each of their classmates and write it > >down. It took the remainder of the class period to finish their > >assignment, and as the students left the room, each one handed me the > >papers. Charlie smiled. > > > >Mark said, "Thank you for teaching me, Sister. Have a good weekend." > > > >That Saturday, I wrote down the name of each student on a separate sheet > >of paper, and I listed what everyone else had said about that > >individual. On Monday I gave each student his or her list. Before long, > >the entire class was smiling. "Really?" I heard whispered. "I never > >knew that meant anything to anyone!" "I didn't know others liked me so > >much." No one ever mentioned those papers in class again. I never knew > >if they discussed them after class or with their parents, but it didn't > >matter. The exercise had accomplished its purpose. The students were > >happy with themselves and one another again. > > > >That group of students moved on. Several years later, after I returned > >from vacation, my parents met me at the airport. As we were driving > >home, Mother asked me the usual questions about the trip - the weather, > >my experiences in general. There was a lull in the conversation. > > > >Mother gave Dad a side-ways glance and simply says, "Dad?" My father > >cleared his throat as he usually did before something important. "The > >Eklunds called last night," he began. "Really?" I said. "I haven't > >heard from them in years. I wonder how Mark is." > > > >Dad responded quietly. "Mark was killed in Vietnam," he said. "The > >funeral is tomorrow, and his parents would like it if you could attend." > > > >To this day I can still point to the exact spot on I-494 where Dad told > >me about Mark. > > > >I had never seen a serviceman in a military coffin before. Mark looked > >so handsome, so mature. All I could think at that moment was, Mark I > >would give all the masking tape in the world if only you would talk to > >me. > > > >The church was packed with Mark's friends. Chuck's sister sang "The > >Battle Hymn of the Republic." Why did it have to rain on the day of the > >funeral? It was difficult enough at the graveside. The pastor said the > >usual prayers, and the bugler played taps. One by one those who loved > >Mark took a last walk by the coffin and sprinkled it with holy water. > > > >I was the last one to bless the coffin. As I stood there, one of the > >soldiers who acted as pallbearer came up to me. "Were you Mark's math > >teacher?" he asked. I nodded as I continued to stare at the coffin. > > > >"Mark talked about you a lot," he said. > > > >After the funeral, most of Mark's former classmates headed to Chuck's > >farmhouse for lunch. Mark's mother and father were there, obviously > >waiting for me. "We want to show you something," his father said, > >taking a wallet out of his pocket. "They found this on Mark when he was > >killed. We thought you might recognize it." > > > >Opening the billfold, he carefully removed two worn pieces of notebook > >paper that had obviously been taped, folded and refolded many times. I > >knew without looking that the papers were the ones on which I had listed > >all the good things each of Mark's classmates had said about him. > > > >"Thank you so much for doing that," Mark's mother said. "As you can > >see, Mark treasured it." > > > >Mark's classmates started to gather around us. Charlie smiled rather > >sheepishly and said, "I still have my list. It's in the top drawer of > >my desk at home." Chuck's wife said, "Chuck asked me to put his in our > >wedding album." > > > >"I have mine too," Marilyn said. "It's in my diary." > > > >Then Vicki, another classmate, reached into her pocketbook, took out her > >wallet and showed her worn and frazzled list to the group. "I carry > >this with me at all times," Vicki said without batting an eyelash. "I > >think we all saved our lists." > > > >That's when I finally sat down and cried. I cried for Mark and for all > >his friends who would never see him again. > > > >THE END > >Written by: Sister Helen P. Mrosla > > > >The purpose of this letter is to encourage everyone to compliment the > >people you love and care about. We often tend to forget the importance > >of showing our affections and love. Sometimes the smallest of things, > >could mean the most to another. I am asking you, to please send this > >letter around and spread the message and encouragement, to express your > >love and caring by complimenting and being open with communication. > > > >The density of people in society is so thick that we forget that life > >will end one day. And we don't know when that one day will be. So > >please, I beg of you, to tell the people you love and care for, that > >they are special and important. Tell them, before it is too late. If > >you do not send it, you will have, once again passed up the opportunity > >to do something loving and beautiful and continue the trend that gives > >you problems in your relationships. > > > >If you've received this it is because someone cares for you and it means > >there is probably at least someone for whom you care. If you're too busy > >to take the few minutes that it would take right now to forward this to > >ten people, would it be the first time you didn't do that little thing > >that would make a difference in your relationships? > > When I read this I was touched! I love each person subscribed to this list. Life is too short to let friendships slide or to loose contact. I think often on Friends that are far away. I was deeply touched by Tegan's willingness to come to Uprising just for my Vigil, And Baldwin and Mel for all the support and attendance to Cote du Ciel things when it is such a burden to them. And Griffin for running this list in the first place which help to bind my frazzled friendships into a tighter bond. Thank you! There are no words for my feelings. Jurgi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Olan G Mikkelsen" Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . . Date: 22 Oct 1998 14:15:18 -0600 Good points, Jurgi. There really are no incentives to become a member of the SCA when we allow anyone who tries to dress in a pre-16th century manner to attend our gatherings. Many clubs charge dues for their members and give discounts at the events they hold. I.E. I have a co-worker who belongs to a sports car club (They race their vintage cars around parking lots for best time and bragging rights). When I asked him what the admission was to the next race, he told me that it was $10.00 for members and $15.00 for non-members. We used to charge a surcharge to non-members, but the practice is optional now. SCAdians in general, according to Squire William, are quite a stingy bunch when it comes to paying for things. Why should one pay dues when there is no benefit for doing so? As a group we need to change the way we look at the cost of membership. Reduce the Corporate overhead to lower membership fees. Lower the price of memberships so that the stingy ones feel that the price is right. Provide a tangible(monetary?) benefit for membership. Impress upon newcomers the importance of membership. Allow only a short grace period for newcomers/investigators to play without a membership. I'll be the first to admit that most of these suggestions are impossible to enact, so why bother to even suggest them? The only reason is that I have felt for a long time we need to switch to a Pay-to-Play policy. This may drive numbers even lower. Who knows? This probably doesn't make any sense, so I will return to my afternoon nap, Landolf Jeff Lowe on 10/22/98 03:12:12 PM Please respond to cdc@lists.xmission.com cc: (bcc: Olan G Mikkelsen/IS/BCBSU/TBG) Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > There has been a lot of discussion on the Artemisian list regarding > the low membership numbers. Some ideas have been bandied about. > Here is an idea for groups who have "healthy coffers" (are our > coffers healthy?): This reminds me of a joke: What did one casket say to the other? Answer: Is that you coffin'? Heeee-heee-heeef.... Oh! You said Coughers? WEBSTER States, and I quote. "Cougher: Persons with respatory ailments, such as bad colds, which cause uncontroalable expulsions of air from the lungs." Now! I ask you honestly, Are they healthy? > > At Birthday Party we could have a "door prize" which would be an SCA > membership. In order to qualify, you have to be at the event by a > certain time (say, 11 am). Everyone who is on site and has paid > their site fee by 11 am would be in the drawing. I think this might > draw more people to the event (certainly more people *early*) because > they would have a free chance at a membership. We could do this at > the Feast for St Pyr, too. > > Another option would be to raffle a membership to help recoup > part of the loss of the membership. Make the price cheap so > everyone can afford some chances--say, $.25 a ticket/5 for $1. > > Rebecca All very good Ideas! But... I feel that the incentives to play this game are reduced when nothing more than No Fault liability insurance, For which I personally have never heard of useage, is being offered. Yezz, yez, you get the TI and the Sage But I can get all that information from Fighter Practice and I can Go to Jurgi's and look at his stuff. ( I know I am being an advocate with the wrong side of the Duct tape but you can see where I am comming from.) What can be offered to the common newbee? You can use Shire Armor and weapons if you are a Paid member? You can apply for a limited edition SCA Knightly Visa with no annual fee. What? I know. Jurgi, back to your cage. There's gotta be answers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry, Radford" Subject: RE: (cdc) An idea . . . Date: 22 Oct 1998 13:39:02 -0700 Just a couple of quick questions to help muddy the water. - How many authorized fighters do you have? - Do they have memberships? The best check point for memberships is whenever a person needs to register (or sign in). It seems to me that whenever registration or authorization is called for, proof of membership should also be required. This only "penalizes" the people that are taking part in contests and tournaments, spectators could still play "free". This kind of ruling could also be implemented for registering devices and names or receiveing awards. If a person has reached this point, they should be willing to make the commitment and help support the organization. This is just my random thoughts on the matter. So please, don't everyone pound on me at once. The line forms to the rear. - Baldwin > ---------- > From: Olan G Mikkelsen > Reply To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 8:15 PM > To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . . > > Good points, Jurgi. > There really are no incentives to become a member of the SCA when we > allow > anyone who tries to dress in a pre-16th century manner to attend our > gatherings. Many clubs charge dues for their members and give discounts > at > the events they hold. I.E. I have a co-worker who belongs to a sports > car > club (They race their vintage cars around parking lots for best time and > bragging rights). When I asked him what the admission was to the next > race, he told me that it was $10.00 for members and $15.00 for > non-members. > We used to charge a surcharge to non-members, but the practice is optional > now. > SCAdians in general, according to Squire William, are quite a stingy bunch > when it comes to paying for things. Why should one pay dues when there is > no benefit for doing so? > As a group we need to change the way we look at the cost of membership. > Reduce the Corporate overhead to lower membership fees. Lower the price > of > memberships so that the stingy ones feel that the price is right. Provide > a tangible(monetary?) benefit for membership. Impress upon newcomers the > importance of membership. Allow only a short grace period for > newcomers/investigators to play without a membership. > I'll be the first to admit that most of these suggestions are impossible > to > enact, so why bother to even suggest them? The only reason is that I have > felt for a long time we need to switch to a Pay-to-Play policy. This may > drive numbers even lower. Who knows? > This probably doesn't make any sense, so I will return to my afternoon > nap, > Landolf > > > > > Jeff Lowe on 10/22/98 03:12:12 PM > > Please respond to cdc@lists.xmission.com > > To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > cc: (bcc: Olan G Mikkelsen/IS/BCBSU/TBG) > Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . . > > > > > Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > > > There has been a lot of discussion on the Artemisian list regarding > > the low membership numbers. Some ideas have been bandied about. > > Here is an idea for groups who have "healthy coffers" (are our > > coffers healthy?): > > This reminds me of a joke: What did one casket say to the other? > > Answer: Is that you coffin'? > > Heeee-heee-heeef.... Oh! You said Coughers? WEBSTER States, and I > quote. "Cougher: Persons with respatory ailments, such as bad colds, > which cause uncontroalable expulsions of air from the lungs." > > Now! I ask you honestly, Are they healthy? > > > > > > At Birthday Party we could have a "door prize" which would be an SCA > > membership. In order to qualify, you have to be at the event by a > > certain time (say, 11 am). Everyone who is on site and has paid > > their site fee by 11 am would be in the drawing. I think this might > > draw more people to the event (certainly more people *early*) because > > they would have a free chance at a membership. We could do this at > > the Feast for St Pyr, too. > > > > Another option would be to raffle a membership to help recoup > > part of the loss of the membership. Make the price cheap so > > everyone can afford some chances--say, $.25 a ticket/5 for $1. > > > > Rebecca > > All very good Ideas! But... I feel that the incentives to play this > game are reduced when nothing more than No Fault liability insurance, > For which I personally have never heard of useage, is being offered. > Yezz, yez, you get the TI and the Sage But I can get all that > information from Fighter Practice and I can Go to Jurgi's and look at > his stuff. > > ( I know I am being an advocate with the wrong side of the Duct tape but > you can see where I am comming from.) > > What can be offered to the common newbee? > > You can use Shire Armor and weapons if you are a Paid member? > You can apply for a limited edition SCA Knightly Visa with no annual > fee. > > What? I know. Jurgi, back to your cage. > > There's gotta be answers. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jcrow " Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . . Date: 22 Oct 1998 14:49:54 -0000 I being a newly paid member for rreasons that i feel are in approprate to discuss in this forum would like to offer a suggestion allong the lines of a pay to play polocy. I propose that as a benefit of being a member you have the option of becoming an authorized fighter (under kingdom and sca laws of course) and therefore an option of participating in combat events and shire tournaments. I also think that Jurgans suggestion of makeing it a requirement for useing the shire armour was a great addition to this rule. ---------- > From: Olan G Mikkelsen > To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . . > Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 8:15 PM > > Good points, Jurgi. > There really are no incentives to become a member of the SCA when we allow > anyone who tries to dress in a pre-16th century manner to attend our > gatherings. Many clubs charge dues for their members and give discounts at > the events they hold. I.E. I have a co-worker who belongs to a sports car > club (They race their vintage cars around parking lots for best time and > bragging rights). When I asked him what the admission was to the next > race, he told me that it was $10.00 for members and $15.00 for non-members. > We used to charge a surcharge to non-members, but the practice is optional > now. > SCAdians in general, according to Squire William, are quite a stingy bunch > when it comes to paying for things. Why should one pay dues when there is > no benefit for doing so? > As a group we need to change the way we look at the cost of membership. > Reduce the Corporate overhead to lower membership fees. Lower the price of > memberships so that the stingy ones feel that the price is right. Provide > a tangible(monetary?) benefit for membership. Impress upon newcomers the > importance of membership. Allow only a short grace period for > newcomers/investigators to play without a membership. > I'll be the first to admit that most of these suggestions are impossible to > enact, so why bother to even suggest them? The only reason is that I have > felt for a long time we need to switch to a Pay-to-Play policy. This may > drive numbers even lower. Who knows? > This probably doesn't make any sense, so I will return to my afternoon nap, > Landolf > > > > > Jeff Lowe on 10/22/98 03:12:12 PM > > Please respond to cdc@lists.xmission.com > > To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > cc: (bcc: Olan G Mikkelsen/IS/BCBSU/TBG) > Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . . > > > > > Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > > > There has been a lot of discussion on the Artemisian list regarding > > the low membership numbers. Some ideas have been bandied about. > > Here is an idea for groups who have "healthy coffers" (are our > > coffers healthy?): > > This reminds me of a joke: What did one casket say to the other? > > Answer: Is that you coffin'? > > Heeee-heee-heeef.... Oh! You said Coughers? WEBSTER States, and I > quote. "Cougher: Persons with respatory ailments, such as bad colds, > which cause uncontroalable expulsions of air from the lungs." > > Now! I ask you honestly, Are they healthy? > > > > > > At Birthday Party we could have a "door prize" which would be an SCA > > membership. In order to qualify, you have to be at the event by a > > certain time (say, 11 am). Everyone who is on site and has paid > > their site fee by 11 am would be in the drawing. I think this might > > draw more people to the event (certainly more people *early*) because > > they would have a free chance at a membership. We could do this at > > the Feast for St Pyr, too. > > > > Another option would be to raffle a membership to help recoup > > part of the loss of the membership. Make the price cheap so > > everyone can afford some chances--say, $.25 a ticket/5 for $1. > > > > Rebecca > > All very good Ideas! But... I feel that the incentives to play this > game are reduced when nothing more than No Fault liability insurance, > For which I personally have never heard of useage, is being offered. > Yezz, yez, you get the TI and the Sage But I can get all that > information from Fighter Practice and I can Go to Jurgi's and look at > his stuff. > > ( I know I am being an advocate with the wrong side of the Duct tape but > you can see where I am comming from.) > > What can be offered to the common newbee? > > You can use Shire Armor and weapons if you are a Paid member? > You can apply for a limited edition SCA Knightly Visa with no annual > fee. > > What? I know. Jurgi, back to your cage. > > There's gotta be answers. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . . Date: 22 Oct 1998 15:22:26 -0700 Olan G Mikkelsen wrote: > > Good points, Jurgi. > There really are no incentives to become a member of the SCA when we allow > anyone who tries to dress in a pre-16th century manner to attend our > gatherings. Many clubs charge dues for their members and give discounts at > the events they hold. I.E. I have a co-worker who belongs to a sports car > club (They race their vintage cars around parking lots for best time and > bragging rights). When I asked him what the admission was to the next > race, he told me that it was $10.00 for members and $15.00 for non-members. > We used to charge a surcharge to non-members, but the practice is optional > now. > SCAdians in general, according to Squire William, are quite a stingy bunch > when it comes to paying for things. Why should one pay dues when there is > no benefit for doing so? > As a group we need to change the way we look at the cost of membership. > Reduce the Corporate overhead to lower membership fees. Lower the price of > memberships so that the stingy ones feel that the price is right. Provide > a tangible(monetary?) benefit for membership. Impress upon newcomers the > importance of membership. Allow only a short grace period for > newcomers/investigators to play without a membership. > I'll be the first to admit that most of these suggestions are impossible to > enact, so why bother to even suggest them? The only reason is that I have > felt for a long time we need to switch to a Pay-to-Play policy. This may > drive numbers even lower. Who knows? > This probably doesn't make any sense, so I will return to my afternoon nap, > Landolf > I agree. What about a temporary membership card? (i.e. valid for six months or 90 days.) Free trial membership. After this time payment is due for further participation. How can we argue with that? Jurgi Oh. By the way. you Know how many people have told me that they wanted to make armor in the last six months and said in the same breath, " this is my thing! I'll never leave!" Answer: six You know how many are still around? Answer: Two Thanks RaND AND AnGus! We'll be armoring soon! Jurgi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Lowe Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . . Date: 22 Oct 1998 15:32:13 -0700 Perry, Radford wrote: > > Just a couple of quick questions to help muddy the water. > - How many authorized fighters do you have? > - Do they have memberships? > > The best check point for memberships is whenever a person needs to register > (or sign in). It seems to me that whenever registration or authorization is > called for, proof of membership should also be required. This only > "penalizes" the people that are taking part in contests and tournaments, > spectators could still play "free". This kind of ruling could also be > implemented for registering devices and names or receiveing awards. If a > person has reached this point, they should be willing to make the commitment > and help support the organization. > This is just my random thoughts on the matter. So please, don't > everyone pound on me at once. The line forms to the rear. > - Baldwin You have a good point! Anyone who activly participates in fighting or Arts classes should pay a per time fee (For newbees) or be a member. Thanks Baldwin! Jurgi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jcrow " Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . . Date: 22 Oct 1998 15:14:52 -0000 I feel that maybe if we made it an incentive for attending events it would be ok if it was done farely for instance: the site fee for birthday is 3 if you don't eat it's already decided on. We could give a 1 or 2 dollar discount to those who are members. I think the member discount problems come when the fee is raised in order to give the discount. Like raising the fee from 10 to 12 and then giving the members a two dollar discount. ---------- > From: Olan G Mikkelsen > To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . . > Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 8:15 PM > > Good points, Jurgi. > There really are no incentives to become a member of the SCA when we allow > anyone who tries to dress in a pre-16th century manner to attend our > gatherings. Many clubs charge dues for their members and give discounts at > the events they hold. I.E. I have a co-worker who belongs to a sports car > club (They race their vintage cars around parking lots for best time and > bragging rights). When I asked him what the admission was to the next > race, he told me that it was $10.00 for members and $15.00 for non-members. > We used to charge a surcharge to non-members, but the practice is optional > now. > SCAdians in general, according to Squire William, are quite a stingy bunch > when it comes to paying for things. Why should one pay dues when there is > no benefit for doing so? > As a group we need to change the way we look at the cost of membership. > Reduce the Corporate overhead to lower membership fees. Lower the price of > memberships so that the stingy ones feel that the price is right. Provide > a tangible(monetary?) benefit for membership. Impress upon newcomers the > importance of membership. Allow only a short grace period for > newcomers/investigators to play without a membership. > I'll be the first to admit that most of these suggestions are impossible to > enact, so why bother to even suggest them? The only reason is that I have > felt for a long time we need to switch to a Pay-to-Play policy. This may > drive numbers even lower. Who knows? > This probably doesn't make any sense, so I will return to my afternoon nap, > Landolf > > > > > Jeff Lowe on 10/22/98 03:12:12 PM > > Please respond to cdc@lists.xmission.com > > To: cdc@lists.xmission.com > cc: (bcc: Olan G Mikkelsen/IS/BCBSU/TBG) > Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . . > > > > > Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote: > > > > There has been a lot of discussion on the Artemisian list regarding > > the low membership numbers. Some ideas have been bandied about. > > Here is an idea for groups who have "healthy coffers" (are our > > coffers healthy?): > > This reminds me of a joke: What did one casket say to the other? > > Answer: Is that you coffin'? > > Heeee-heee-heeef.... Oh! You said Coughers? WEBSTER States, and I > quote. "Cougher: Persons with respatory ailments, such as bad colds, > which cause uncontroalable expulsions of air from the lungs." > > Now! I ask you honestly, Are they healthy? > > > > > > At Birthday Party we could have a "door prize" which would be an SCA > > membership. In order to qualify, you have to be at the event by a > > certain time (say, 11 am). Everyone who is on site and has paid > > their site fee by 11 am would be in the drawing. I think this might > > draw more people to the event (certainly more people *early*) because > > they would have a free chance at a membership. We could do this at > > the Feast for St Pyr, too. > > > > Another option would be to raffle a membership to help recoup > > part of the loss of the membership. Make the price cheap so > > everyone can afford some chances--say, $.25 a ticket/5 for $1. > > > > Rebecca > > All very good Ideas! But... I feel that the incentives to play this > game are reduced when nothing more than No Fault liability insurance, > For which I personally have never heard of useage, is being offered. > Yezz, yez, you get the TI and the Sage But I can get all that > information from Fighter Practice and I can Go to Jurgi's and look at > his stuff. > > ( I know I am being an advocate with the wr