From: "c" Subject: Re: Re:(descent) cut here Date: 30 Sep 2001 22:29:24 -0700 BTW, does anyone here need the spoiler space, or should I just stop? s p o i l e r Yup, that's exactly what I said. :-) I am also reminded of Dredd Song. Though, I don't know why, yet I seem to be humming Dredd Song after I listen to Cut Here. Who Knows???? I'm probably just crazy. --Crazy Chris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 6:05 PM > I am definetly reminded of joy divison, listening to this track. Does > anyone else hear the keyboard from "atmosphere" playing through out ? I > really like this song, I think it was well worth the wait. > > > Charlotte Sometimes - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mauro Lombardo" Subject: Re: (descent) cuT HEre Date: 01 Oct 2001 10:54:46 +0200 I think that everyone here has some problems with their ears.... cut here similar to a joy division's song???????? don't compare the stupid pop song song with joy division please! sonicmauro - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tanooki2@aol.com Subject: Re: (descent) cut here Date: 01 Oct 2001 09:44:13 EDT --part1_155.1d78e21.28e9cd2d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Awesome. I agree that it sounds Wish-like or from WMS, but that is kind of what I had in mind. I didn't expect it to sound like Bloodflowers, or anything earlier than Wish. One question I have is why does the DJ on that radio recording say that this is their first single in 4 years? Did "Maybe Someday" and "Out of this World" slip her mind, or were those not officially released as singles there? Just wondering. Kristi --part1_155.1d78e21.28e9cd2d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Awesome.  I agree that it sounds Wish-like or from WMS, but that is kind of what I had in mind.  I didn't expect it to sound like Bloodflowers, or anything earlier than Wish.  One question I have is why does the DJ on that radio recording say that this is their first single in 4 years?   Did "Maybe Someday" and "Out of this World" slip her mind, or were those not officially released as singles there?  Just wondering.

Kristi --part1_155.1d78e21.28e9cd2d_boundary-- - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: the drowning man Subject: Re: (descent) peace Date: 01 Oct 2001 08:55:07 -0700 (PDT) > i live in washington DC and work out of the pentagon part of the time. > perhaps this gives me a different perspective.... > > regarding the argument that the US is a global 'evil,' is > self-centered, and has no consideration for the rest of the world: > > to keep somethings in perpective check out the US Agency for > International Development website (www.usaid.gov) for information > about how much US aid (non-military) is provided to countries around > the world. These are often areas where the US has little or no > national interest and there is no recognition that the US is helping. > > The USAID budget for fiscal year 2001 (FY2001 runs from 01 OCT 2000 - > 30 SEP 2001) is over 4 billion 630 million dollars, broken into the > following categories: > > Developmental Assistance...$1,694,000,000 > Building Democracy and Governance...$356,000,000 > Developing Human Capacity...$196,000,000 > Stabilizing World Population and Protecting Human Health... $1,304,000,000 > Protecting the Environment...$404,000,000 > Providing Humanitarian Assistance...$685,000,000 > > this money is not money used to buy weapons, overthrow governments, or > any other type of subversive causes. USAID is an agency that is there > to provide help. I believe that a good number of people had no idea > about the amount and/or scope of this aid. this is because the US, > through agencies like USAID, does this work with little fanfare. its > rather interesting to consider how much money US taxpayers send > overseas for humanitarian missions without making a big deal about it. oooooooo! [twirls finger] from: http://www.clw.org/milspend/dodbud02.html Revised 7/6/01 ===== HIGHLIGHTS OF THE NEW MILITARY BUDGET ==== ==Requests $343.2 billion in national defense (050) spending for fiscal 2002 representing a $32.6 billion increase (10.5 percent) above 2001 levels of $310.6 billion. ==The largest single-year increase since early in the Reagan Administration and the third largest peace-time increase since WWII. The increase alone is greater than the defense budgets of every country in the World except England, Russia, China and Japan and it is greater than the Gross Domestic Products of over one third of the individual nations in the world. 343.2 compared to 4.63... wow... 4.63 is tremendous! What is that, like 1.3%? Come on... I know you are trying to look on the bright side, but using US expenditures to back it up is like using the Bible to justify killing someone...... > > Consider this -- the total FY2001 USG assistance to Afghanistan is > $183,648,477. The entire gross domestic product (GDP) of afghanistan > (the measure of a state's total economic value/output) was only $21 > billion in 2000. Thus, US aid accounts for about 3.25% of the state's > total economic value. in comparison, if the US recievied 3.26% of its > GDP in foreign humanitarian aid, it would be getting shipments of $325 > billion each year. Consider these: ==Cuts Defense Department Cooperative Threat Reduction Programs (Nunn-Lugar) by $40 million from $443 million to $403 million. The Administration has already reduced the Department of Energy non-proliferation programs by $100 million. ==Provides Ballistic Missile Defense programs $8.3 billion (an increase of $3 billion or 57% from FY 2001). ==Despite talk of "skipping a generation of weapons," the budget funds all major weapons systems on the drawing board, postponing weapons decisions until the fiscal 2003 budget. ==The Defense Department's recent request for an additional $18 billion was not covered by the fiscal 2002 budget resolution adopted earlier this year and now has to be approved by the House and Senate Budget Committee Chairmen. ==The Pentagon's budget revision includes a section repealing the statute barring the unilateral reduction of the U.S. nuclear weapons (Section 714). The budget also provides for the retirement of all 50 U.S. Peacekeeper (MX) missiles. ===== MAJOR CONVENTIONAL WEAPONS REQUESTS ===== (in millions of dollars) (number of weapons in FY 2002 and states of prime contractors in parentheses) F/A-18 E/F Navy Super Hornet - (48 planes made in MA, MO, MD & CA) FY 2001 - $2,987 FY 2002 - $3291 F-22 Air Force advanced fighter (13 planes made in GA, TX, WA and FL) FY 2001 - $3,922 FY 2002 - $3,903 JSF Navy-Air Force-Marine Joint Strike Fighter (Competition in WA, MD, FL) FY 2001 - $682 FY 2002 - $1,537 V-22 Osprey - (12 planes made in TX, PA and IN) FY 2001 - $1,708 FY 2002 - $1,788 RAH-66 Army Comanche light helicopter (made in CT, PA, AZ, IN) FY 2001 - $608 FY 2002 - $788 AH-64 Longbow Apache helicopter (made in MD) FY 2001 - $755 FY 2002 - $918 Crusader Mobile Howitzer (made in MN, MA, MI, OK) FY 2001 - $352 FY 2002 - $448 C-17 Air Force airlift aircraft (15 planes made in CA and CT) FY 2001 - $2,931 FY 2002 - $3,684 C-130J cargo aircraft (2 planes made in GA and IN) FY 2001 - $206 FY 2002 - $221 E-8C Joint STARS airborne radar system (1 plane made in FL) FY 2001 - $294 FY 2002 - $332 F-16 Air Force Falcon (0 aircraft made in TX, CT and OH) FY 2001 - $121 FY 2002 - $0 NSSN New Attack Submarine (1 sub made in CT and VA) FY 2001 - $1,701 FY 2002 - $2,293 DDG-51 Navy Aegis destroyer (3 destroyers made in ME and MS) FY 2001 - $3,131 FY 2002 - $2,966 LPD-17 Navy transport dock ship (2 ships made in LA, ME, CA & AL) FY 2001 - $556 FY 2002 - $422 Source: Department of Defense Amended Budget Fiscal Year 2002 ===== MOST EXPENSIVE WEAPONS SYSTEMS - TOTAL PROGRAM COSTS ====== ???? billion: National and theater missile defense $200 billion: JSF Navy-Air Force-Marine Joint Strike Fighter (3,128) $ 65.7 billion: Virginia Class Attack Submarine (30) $ 61.2 billion: F-22 (341) $ 46.8 billion: F/A-18 E/F (548) $ 44.9 billion: C-17 Cargo plane (134) $ 27.2: billion: Trident II Missiles (453) $ 11.2 billion: Crusader Mobile Howitzer (480) $ 10.7 billion: LPD 17 (12) $ 10.3 billion: LHD 1 (8) $ 8.8 billion: Longbow Apache (850) $ 8.6 billion: JSTARS airborne radar system $ 6.3 billion: Airborne Laser (7) Source: Selected Acquisition Reports, December 11, 2000; JSF, Crusader and ABL from Director of Operational Test and Evaluation Fiscal 2000 report to Congress ===== STRATEGIC NUCLEAR PROGRAM REQUESTS IN FY 2001 BUDGET ====== B-1B bomber: $290 million B-2 bomber: $166.9 million Trident II (D-5 missile): $559 million (12 new missiles, made in CA) Ballistic Missile Defense: $8.3 billion (an increase of $3 billion or 57% from FY 2001) $3,940.5 million - Ballistic Missile Defense Midcourse Defense Segment ------------------THIS IS MORE THAN THE USAID!!! $685.3 million - Ballistic Missile Defense Boost Defense Segment $495.6 million - Ballistic Missile Defense Sensors $779.6 million - Ballistic Missile Defense System Segment $968.2 million - Ballistic Missile Defense Terminal Segment $783.7 million - Patriot PAC3 theater defense $405.3 million - Space Based Infrared System (SBIRS High) $388.5 million - Navy Area Missile Defense > > and all of this does not include support provided by non-governemnt > organizations (NGOs), charities, and multi-national organizations > (such as the IMF, World Bank, and UN) to whom the the US is a key > contributor. > > keep this in perpective next time you say, or someone sys to you, that > the United States is not attuned to problems elsewhere around the > world or that it, as a nation, simply does not care. > > PS - for good international news, read the washington post, NY times, > or use BBC news (either online or on cable). > > a means to an end . . . > > christopher > Nice try... -Cedric Justice - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AmandaOX@aol.com Subject: (descent) America Date: 01 Oct 2001 14:22:44 EDT --part1_161.1bf7ebe.28ea0e74_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Hello All, > I have been a silent member of descent for about 4 years. I feel I need to > jump in here on this recent America bashing trend. I am American and had > friends and family stuck over in New York City on September 11...so this > hits home for me. > It is not so much that we are saying " oh no this shouldn't happen here" it > is that this should not happen ANYWHERE. Terrorism is a sick evil that had > occurred in many countries and has taken many lives and this particular > attack is the last straw. America is a strong and rich country that > provides ALOT of foreign aid to countries that need it. Negative things > can be said about our politicians, however, in this time of tragedy > politicians and all Americans have really come together in a supportive way > that I have never seen before. Americans truly want peace for the entire > planet. We welcome immigrants and provide aid, we are a melting pot. Any > foreigner can come here, become a citizen, receive financial aid, > education, and is given an opportunity to enjoy the same benefits as other > American citizens. That is what makes this country great. > The world is now facing terrorism, a force to be reckoned with that can > easily effect other countries just as badly as the U.S., I think we need to > stand together. > > Blessed Be, Amanda --part1_161.1bf7ebe.28ea0e74_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hello All,
I have been a silent member of descent for about 4 years.  I feel I need to jump in here on this recent America bashing trend.  I am American and had friends and family stuck over in New York City on September 11...so this hits home for me.   
It is not so much that we are saying " oh no this shouldn't happen here" it is that this should not happen ANYWHERE.  Terrorism is a sick evil that had occurred in many countries and has taken many lives and this particular attack is the last straw.  America is a strong and rich country that provides ALOT of foreign aid to countries that need it.  Negative things can be said about our politicians, however, in this time of tragedy politicians and all Americans have really come together in a supportive way that I have never seen before.  Americans truly want peace for the entire planet.  We welcome immigrants and provide aid, we are a melting pot.  Any foreigner can come here, become a citizen, receive financial aid, education, and is given an opportunity to enjoy the same benefits as other American citizens.  That is what makes this country great.   
The world is now facing terrorism, a force to be reckoned with that can easily effect other countries just as badly as the U.S., I think we need to stand together.

Blessed Be, Amanda

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Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cherrytree_girl@yahoo.com Subject: Re: (descent) cuT HEre Date: 01 Oct 2001 15:27:37 -0700 personally I don't like it, :( cherrytreegirl At 10:54 AM 10/1/01 +0200, you wrote: >I think that everyone here has some problems with their ears.... > >cut here similar to a joy division's song???????? > >don't compare the stupid pop song song with joy division please! > >sonicmauro > > > >- > To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "christopher ficek" Subject: Re: (descent) peace Date: 01 Oct 2001 15:17:29 -0700 i don't believe that snide remarks warrent, nor deserve comment. i offered a statement of fact as a way of pecieving the US's role in world affairs, and perhaps stimulating others to engage in an open and intelligent disucssion of issues. if you care to do so, email me off-line, as not to further convolute the list with non-Cure discussions. a means to an end . . . christopher ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- Reply-To: descent@lists.xmission.com >> i live in washington DC and work out of the pentagon part of the time. >> perhaps this gives me a different perspective.... >> >> regarding the argument that the US is a global 'evil,' is >> self-centered, and has no consideration for the rest of the world: >> >> to keep somethings in perpective check out the US Agency for >> International Development website (www.usaid.gov) for information >> about how much US aid (non-military) is provided to countries around >> the world. These are often areas where the US has little or no >> national interest and there is no recognition that the US is helping. >> >> The USAID budget for fiscal year 2001 (FY2001 runs from 01 OCT 2000 - >> 30 SEP 2001) is over 4 billion 630 million dollars, broken into the >> following categories: >> >> Developmental Assistance...$1,694,000,000 >> Building Democracy and Governance...$356,000,000 >> Developing Human Capacity...$196,000,000 >> Stabilizing World Population and Protecting Human Health... $1,304,000,000 >> Protecting the Environment...$404,000,000 >> Providing Humanitarian Assistance...$685,000,000 >> >> this money is not money used to buy weapons, overthrow governments, or >> any other type of subversive causes. USAID is an agency that is there >> to provide help. I believe that a good number of people had no idea >> about the amount and/or scope of this aid. this is because the US, >> through agencies like USAID, does this work with little fanfare. its >> rather interesting to consider how much money US taxpayers send >> overseas for humanitarian missions without making a big deal about it. > >oooooooo! [twirls finger] > from: http://www.clw.org/milspend/dodbud02.html Revised 7/6/01 > >===== HIGHLIGHTS OF THE NEW MILITARY BUDGET ==== > >==Requests $343.2 billion in national defense (050) spending for fiscal >2002 representing a $32.6 billion increase (10.5 percent) above 2001 >levels of $310.6 billion. > >==The largest single-year increase since early in the Reagan >Administration and the third largest peace-time increase since WWII. The >increase alone is greater than the defense budgets of every country in the >World except England, Russia, China and Japan and it is greater than the >Gross Domestic Products of over one third of the individual nations in the >world. > >343.2 compared to 4.63... wow... 4.63 is tremendous! What is that, like >1.3%? > >Come on... I know you are trying to look on the bright side, but using US >expenditures to back it up is like using the Bible to justify killing >someone...... > > > >> Consider this -- the total FY2001 USG assistance to Afghanistan is >> $183,648,477. The entire gross domestic product (GDP) of afghanistan >> (the measure of a state's total economic value/output) was only $21 >> billion in 2000. Thus, US aid accounts for about 3.25% of the state's >> total economic value. in comparison, if the US recievied 3.26% of its >> GDP in foreign humanitarian aid, it would be getting shipments of $325 >> billion each year. > > >Consider these: > >==Cuts Defense Department Cooperative Threat Reduction Programs >(Nunn-Lugar) by $40 million from $443 million to $403 million. The >Administration has already reduced the Department of Energy >non-proliferation programs by $100 million. > >==Provides Ballistic Missile Defense programs $8.3 billion (an increase of >$3 billion or 57% from FY 2001). > >==Despite talk of "skipping a generation of weapons," the budget funds all >major weapons systems on the drawing board, postponing weapons decisions >until the fiscal 2003 budget. > >==The Defense Department's recent request for an additional $18 billion >was not covered by the fiscal 2002 budget resolution adopted earlier this >year and now has to be approved by the House and Senate Budget Committee >Chairmen. > >==The Pentagon's budget revision includes a section repealing the statute >barring the unilateral reduction of the U.S. nuclear weapons (Section >714). The budget also provides for the retirement of all 50 U.S. >Peacekeeper (MX) missiles. > >===== MAJOR CONVENTIONAL WEAPONS REQUESTS ===== > > >(in millions of dollars) > >(number of weapons in FY 2002 and states of prime contractors in >parentheses) > >F/A-18 E/F Navy Super Hornet - (48 planes made in MA, MO, MD & CA) FY 2001 >- $2,987 FY 2002 - $3291 > >F-22 Air Force advanced fighter (13 planes made in GA, TX, WA and FL) FY >2001 - $3,922 FY 2002 - $3,903 > >JSF Navy-Air Force-Marine Joint Strike Fighter (Competition in WA, MD, FL) >FY 2001 - $682 FY 2002 - $1,537 > >V-22 Osprey - (12 planes made in TX, PA and IN) FY 2001 - $1,708 FY 2002 - >$1,788 > >RAH-66 Army Comanche light helicopter (made in CT, PA, AZ, IN) FY 2001 - >$608 FY 2002 - $788 > >AH-64 Longbow Apache helicopter (made in MD) FY 2001 - $755 FY 2002 - $918 > >Crusader Mobile Howitzer (made in MN, MA, MI, OK) FY 2001 - $352 FY 2002 - >$448 > >C-17 Air Force airlift aircraft (15 planes made in CA and CT) FY 2001 - >$2,931 FY 2002 - $3,684 > >C-130J cargo aircraft (2 planes made in GA and IN) FY 2001 - $206 FY 2002 >- $221 > >E-8C Joint STARS airborne radar system (1 plane made in FL) FY 2001 - $294 >FY 2002 - $332 > >F-16 Air Force Falcon (0 aircraft made in TX, CT and OH) FY 2001 - $121 FY >2002 - $0 > >NSSN New Attack Submarine (1 sub made in CT and VA) FY 2001 - $1,701 FY >2002 - $2,293 > >DDG-51 Navy Aegis destroyer (3 destroyers made in ME and MS) FY 2001 - >$3,131 FY 2002 - $2,966 > >LPD-17 Navy transport dock ship (2 ships made in LA, ME, CA & AL) FY 2001 >- $556 FY 2002 - $422 > >Source: Department of Defense Amended Budget Fiscal Year 2002 > >===== MOST EXPENSIVE WEAPONS SYSTEMS - TOTAL PROGRAM COSTS ====== > >???? billion: National and theater missile defense > >$200 billion: JSF Navy-Air Force-Marine Joint Strike Fighter (3,128) > >$ 65.7 billion: Virginia Class Attack Submarine (30) > >$ 61.2 billion: F-22 (341) > >$ 46.8 billion: F/A-18 E/F (548) > >$ 44.9 billion: C-17 Cargo plane (134) > >$ 27.2: billion: Trident II Missiles (453) > >$ 11.2 billion: Crusader Mobile Howitzer (480) > >$ 10.7 billion: LPD 17 (12) > >$ 10.3 billion: LHD 1 (8) > >$ 8.8 billion: Longbow Apache (850) > >$ 8.6 billion: JSTARS airborne radar system > >$ 6.3 billion: Airborne Laser (7) > >Source: Selected Acquisition Reports, December 11, 2000; JSF, Crusader and >ABL from Director of Operational Test and Evaluation Fiscal 2000 report to >Congress > >===== STRATEGIC NUCLEAR PROGRAM REQUESTS IN FY 2001 BUDGET ====== > >B-1B bomber: $290 million > >B-2 bomber: $166.9 million > >Trident II (D-5 missile): $559 million (12 new missiles, made in CA) > >Ballistic Missile Defense: $8.3 billion (an increase of $3 billion or 57% >from FY 2001) > >$3,940.5 million - Ballistic Missile Defense Midcourse Defense Segment > >------------------THIS IS MORE THAN THE USAID!!! > > >$685.3 million - Ballistic Missile Defense Boost Defense Segment >$495.6 million - Ballistic Missile Defense Sensors >$779.6 million - Ballistic Missile Defense System Segment >$968.2 million - Ballistic Missile Defense Terminal Segment >$783.7 million - Patriot PAC3 theater defense >$405.3 million - Space Based Infrared System (SBIRS High) >$388.5 million - Navy Area Missile Defense > > > >> >and >all of this does not include support provided by >non-governemnt >> organizations (NGOs), charities, and multi-national organizations >> (such as the IMF, World Bank, and UN) to whom the the US is a key >> contributor. >> >> keep this in perpective next time you say, or someone sys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard" Subject: RE: (descent) peace Date: 01 Oct 2001 18:01:52 -0700 i fail to see how our military budget has anything to do with our foreign aid programs. remember WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE AID OUT AT ALL -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-descent@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of the drowning man Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:55 AM > i live in washington DC and work out of the pentagon part of the time. > perhaps this gives me a different perspective.... > > regarding the argument that the US is a global 'evil,' is > self-centered, and has no consideration for the rest of the world: > > to keep somethings in perpective check out the US Agency for > International Development website (www.usaid.gov) for information > about how much US aid (non-military) is provided to countries around > the world. These are often areas where the US has little or no > national interest and there is no recognition that the US is helping. > > The USAID budget for fiscal year 2001 (FY2001 runs from 01 OCT 2000 - > 30 SEP 2001) is over 4 billion 630 million dollars, broken into the > following categories: > > Developmental Assistance...$1,694,000,000 > Building Democracy and Governance...$356,000,000 > Developing Human Capacity...$196,000,000 > Stabilizing World Population and Protecting Human Health... $1,304,000,000 > Protecting the Environment...$404,000,000 > Providing Humanitarian Assistance...$685,000,000 > > this money is not money used to buy weapons, overthrow governments, or > any other type of subversive causes. USAID is an agency that is there > to provide help. I believe that a good number of people had no idea > about the amount and/or scope of this aid. this is because the US, > through agencies like USAID, does this work with little fanfare. its > rather interesting to consider how much money US taxpayers send > overseas for humanitarian missions without making a big deal about it. oooooooo! [twirls finger] from: http://www.clw.org/milspend/dodbud02.html Revised 7/6/01 ===== HIGHLIGHTS OF THE NEW MILITARY BUDGET ==== ==Requests $343.2 billion in national defense (050) spending for fiscal 2002 representing a $32.6 billion increase (10.5 percent) above 2001 levels of $310.6 billion. ==The largest single-year increase since early in the Reagan Administration and the third largest peace-time increase since WWII. The increase alone is greater than the defense budgets of every country in the World except England, Russia, China and Japan and it is greater than the Gross Domestic Products of over one third of the individual nations in the world. 343.2 compared to 4.63... wow... 4.63 is tremendous! What is that, like 1.3%? Come on... I know you are trying to look on the bright side, but using US expenditures to back it up is like using the Bible to justify killing someone...... > > Consider this -- the total FY2001 USG assistance to Afghanistan is > $183,648,477. The entire gross domestic product (GDP) of afghanistan > (the measure of a state's total economic value/output) was only $21 > billion in 2000. Thus, US aid accounts for about 3.25% of the state's > total economic value. in comparison, if the US recievied 3.26% of its > GDP in foreign humanitarian aid, it would be getting shipments of $325 > billion each year. Consider these: ==Cuts Defense Department Cooperative Threat Reduction Programs (Nunn-Lugar) by $40 million from $443 million to $403 million. The Administration has already reduced the Department of Energy non-proliferation programs by $100 million. ==Provides Ballistic Missile Defense programs $8.3 billion (an increase of $3 billion or 57% from FY 2001). ==Despite talk of "skipping a generation of weapons," the budget funds all major weapons systems on the drawing board, postponing weapons decisions until the fiscal 2003 budget. ==The Defense Department's recent request for an additional $18 billion was not covered by the fiscal 2002 budget resolution adopted earlier this year and now has to be approved by the House and Senate Budget Committee Chairmen. ==The Pentagon's budget revision includes a section repealing the statute barring the unilateral reduction of the U.S. nuclear weapons (Section 714). The budget also provides for the retirement of all 50 U.S. Peacekeeper (MX) missiles. ===== MAJOR CONVENTIONAL WEAPONS REQUESTS ===== (in millions of dollars) (number of weapons in FY 2002 and states of prime contractors in parentheses) F/A-18 E/F Navy Super Hornet - (48 planes made in MA, MO, MD & CA) FY 2001 - $2,987 FY 2002 - $3291 F-22 Air Force advanced fighter (13 planes made in GA, TX, WA and FL) FY 2001 - $3,922 FY 2002 - $3,903 JSF Navy-Air Force-Marine Joint Strike Fighter (Competition in WA, MD, FL) FY 2001 - $682 FY 2002 - $1,537 V-22 Osprey - (12 planes made in TX, PA and IN) FY 2001 - $1,708 FY 2002 - $1,788 RAH-66 Army Comanche light helicopter (made in CT, PA, AZ, IN) FY 2001 - $608 FY 2002 - $788 AH-64 Longbow Apache helicopter (made in MD) FY 2001 - $755 FY 2002 - $918 Crusader Mobile Howitzer (made in MN, MA, MI, OK) FY 2001 - $352 FY 2002 - $448 C-17 Air Force airlift aircraft (15 planes made in CA and CT) FY 2001 - $2,931 FY 2002 - $3,684 C-130J cargo aircraft (2 planes made in GA and IN) FY 2001 - $206 FY 2002 - $221 E-8C Joint STARS airborne radar system (1 plane made in FL) FY 2001 - $294 FY 2002 - $332 F-16 Air Force Falcon (0 aircraft made in TX, CT and OH) FY 2001 - $121 FY 2002 - $0 NSSN New Attack Submarine (1 sub made in CT and VA) FY 2001 - $1,701 FY 2002 - $2,293 DDG-51 Navy Aegis destroyer (3 destroyers made in ME and MS) FY 2001 - $3,131 FY 2002 - $2,966 LPD-17 Navy transport dock ship (2 ships made in LA, ME, CA & AL) FY 2001 - $556 FY 2002 - $422 Source: Department of Defense Amended Budget Fiscal Year 2002 ===== MOST EXPENSIVE WEAPONS SYSTEMS - TOTAL PROGRAM COSTS ====== ???? billion: National and theater missile defense $200 billion: JSF Navy-Air Force-Marine Joint Strike Fighter (3,128) $ 65.7 billion: Virginia Class Attack Submarine (30) $ 61.2 billion: F-22 (341) $ 46.8 billion: F/A-18 E/F (548) $ 44.9 billion: C-17 Cargo plane (134) $ 27.2: billion: Trident II Missiles (453) $ 11.2 billion: Crusader Mobile Howitzer (480) $ 10.7 billion: LPD 17 (12) $ 10.3 billion: LHD 1 (8) $ 8.8 billion: Longbow Apache (850) $ 8.6 billion: JSTARS airborne radar system $ 6.3 billion: Airborne Laser (7) Source: Selected Acquisition Reports, December 11, 2000; JSF, Crusader and ABL from Director of Operational Test and Evaluation Fiscal 2000 report to Congress ===== STRATEGIC NUCLEAR PROGRAM REQUESTS IN FY 2001 BUDGET ====== B-1B bomber: $290 million B-2 bomber: $166.9 million Trident II (D-5 missile): $559 million (12 new missiles, made in CA) Ballistic Missile Defense: $8.3 billion (an increase of $3 billion or 57% from FY 2001) $3,940.5 million - Ballistic Missile Defense Midcourse Defense Segment ------------------THIS IS MORE THAN THE USAID!!! $685.3 million - Ballistic Missile Defense Boost Defense Segment $495.6 million - Ballistic Missile Defense Sensors $779.6 million - Ballistic Missile Defense System Segment $968.2 million - Ballistic Missile Defense Terminal Segment $783.7 million - Patriot PAC3 theater defense $405.3 million - Space Based Infrared System (SBIRS High) $388.5 million - Navy Area Missile Defense > > and all of this does not include support provided by non-governemnt > organizations (NGOs), charities, and multi-national organizations > (such as the IMF, World Bank, and UN) to whom the the US is a key > contributor. > > keep this in perpective next time you say, or someone sys to you, that > the United States is not attuned to problems elsewhere around the > world or that it, as a nation, simply does not care. > > PS - for good international news, read the washington post, NY times, > or use BBC news (either online or on cable). > > a means to an end . . . > > christopher > Nice try... -Cedric Justice - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent"to you, that >> the United States is not attuned to problems elsewhere around the >> world or that it, as a nation, simply does not care. >> >> PS - for good international news, read the washington post, NY times, >> or use BBC news (either online or on cable). >> >> a means to an end . . . >> >> christopher >> >Nice try... >-Cedric Justice > > > > >- > To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. 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Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aimles0923@aol.com Subject: (descent) Lyrics for cuTHEre Date: 01 Oct 2001 21:04:10 EDT --part1_d0.1bafea63.28ea6c8a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have any insight or opinions on the lyrics?? --part1_d0.1bafea63.28ea6c8a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have any insight or opinions on the lyrics??
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Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Professor Vast" Subject: Re: (descent) America Date: 01 Oct 2001 21:49:50 -0700 you know what?!?! i'm indian and i work with muslims and they're the = nicest most peace loving people around. and i've lived most of my life = here. i don't consider myself american or indian as much as i do human. = we're all the same species. we're all living beings who deserve and = should give out equal respect.=20 my comment on this earlier was that it's a sure sign that humanity has = gone to hell. barely two weeks and people are back to being jerks = driving on the streets, being rude to each other in general.=20 its just sad. i just hope all those people who are good and who are = never rude and disrespectful continue to teach others and continue to = spread the goodness around.=20 do you know what the taliban wants the indian people in afghanistan to = do??? they want indians there to wear markings that they're indian in = public. sort of like the jews and the yellow stars in the concentration = camps.=20 my point being that we MUST in this time to be very careful and not be = judgmental based on religion or color.=20 hope all of you continue to stay well and follow the path of = enlightenment. db ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 11:22 AM >=20 > > Hello All, > > I have been a silent member of descent for about 4 years. I feel I = need to > > jump in here on this recent America bashing trend. I am American = and had > > friends and family stuck over in New York City on September 11...so = this > > hits home for me. > > It is not so much that we are saying " oh no this shouldn't happen = here" it > > is that this should not happen ANYWHERE. Terrorism is a sick evil = that had > > occurred in many countries and has taken many lives and this = particular > > attack is the last straw. America is a strong and rich country that > > provides ALOT of foreign aid to countries that need it. Negative = things > > can be said about our politicians, however, in this time of tragedy > > politicians and all Americans have really come together in a = supportive way > > that I have never seen before. Americans truly want peace for the = entire > > planet. We welcome immigrants and provide aid, we are a melting = pot. Any > > foreigner can come here, become a citizen, receive financial aid, > > education, and is given an opportunity to enjoy the same benefits as = other > > American citizens. That is what makes this country great. > > The world is now facing terrorism, a force to be reckoned with that = can > > easily effect other countries just as badly as the U.S., I think we = need to > > stand together. > > > > Blessed Be, Amanda >=20 >=20 - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sky Blue Sounds" Subject: Re: (descent) cuT HEre Date: 01 Oct 2001 23:23:24 -0500 Made me think of that 80's song that goes "I'll stop the world and melt with you..." Who was that? Modern English? showing my age... Cynthia ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 5:27 PM > personally I don't like it, :( > > cherrytreegirl > > At 10:54 AM 10/1/01 +0200, you wrote: > >I think that everyone here has some problems with their ears.... > > > >cut here similar to a joy division's song???????? > > > >don't compare the stupid pop song song with joy division please! > > > >sonicmauro > > > > > > > >- > > To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > "help" to the same address. 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Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Professor Vast" Subject: Re: (descent) cuT HEre Date: 01 Oct 2001 21:17:16 -0700 i see why people make the joy division comments. because of the bass = sound. a chorusy bass with that strummy sound. well, if you all have = read some cure bios, you'd know that in the early days, they'd play in = the clubs with JD and robert would say they were one of the very few = good bands there.=20 but it sounds like an older cure track. like something that may have = been left off of head on the door. that's what i think.=20 it's like a step back or something. kinda dated sounding. but it's a = nice little tune, nothing special....certainly no in btwn days or = anything. db ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 3:27 PM > personally I don't like it, :( >=20 > cherrytreegirl >=20 > At 10:54 AM 10/1/01 +0200, you wrote: > >I think that everyone here has some problems with their ears.... > > > >cut here similar to a joy division's song???????? > > > >don't compare the stupid pop song song with joy division please! > > > >sonicmauro > > > > > > > >- > > To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > "help" to the same address. 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Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David_Lane@dell.com Subject: RE: (descent) peace Date: 02 Oct 2001 03:02:10 -0500 Most American Aid is a loan...that's where the third world Debt comes from, so it's America is making money when it gives "AID" . -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 6:02 PM i fail to see how our military budget has anything to do with our foreign aid programs. remember WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE AID OUT AT ALL -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-descent@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of the drowning man Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:55 AM > i live in washington DC and work out of the pentagon part of the time. > perhaps this gives me a different perspective.... > > regarding the argument that the US is a global 'evil,' is > self-centered, and has no consideration for the rest of the world: > > to keep somethings in perpective check out the US Agency for > International Development website (www.usaid.gov) for information > about how much US aid (non-military) is provided to countries around > the world. These are often areas where the US has little or no > national interest and there is no recognition that the US is helping. > > The USAID budget for fiscal year 2001 (FY2001 runs from 01 OCT 2000 - > 30 SEP 2001) is over 4 billion 630 million dollars, broken into the > following categories: > > Developmental Assistance...$1,694,000,000 > Building Democracy and Governance...$356,000,000 > Developing Human Capacity...$196,000,000 > Stabilizing World Population and Protecting Human Health... $1,304,000,000 > Protecting the Environment...$404,000,000 > Providing Humanitarian Assistance...$685,000,000 > > this money is not money used to buy weapons, overthrow governments, or > any other type of subversive causes. USAID is an agency that is there > to provide help. I believe that a good number of people had no idea > about the amount and/or scope of this aid. this is because the US, > through agencies like USAID, does this work with little fanfare. its > rather interesting to consider how much money US taxpayers send > overseas for humanitarian missions without making a big deal about it. oooooooo! [twirls finger] from: http://www.clw.org/milspend/dodbud02.html Revised 7/6/01 ===== HIGHLIGHTS OF THE NEW MILITARY BUDGET ==== ==Requests $343.2 billion in national defense (050) spending for fiscal 2002 representing a $32.6 billion increase (10.5 percent) above 2001 levels of $310.6 billion. ==The largest single-year increase since early in the Reagan Administration and the third largest peace-time increase since WWII. The increase alone is greater than the defense budgets of every country in the World except England, Russia, China and Japan and it is greater than the Gross Domestic Products of over one third of the individual nations in the world. 343.2 compared to 4.63... wow... 4.63 is tremendous! What is that, like 1.3%? Come on... I know you are trying to look on the bright side, but using US expenditures to back it up is like using the Bible to justify killing someone...... > > Consider this -- the total FY2001 USG assistance to Afghanistan is > $183,648,477. The entire gross domestic product (GDP) of afghanistan > (the measure of a state's total economic value/output) was only $21 > billion in 2000. Thus, US aid accounts for about 3.25% of the state's > total economic value. in comparison, if the US recievied 3.26% of its > GDP in foreign humanitarian aid, it would be getting shipments of $325 > billion each year. Consider these: ==Cuts Defense Department Cooperative Threat Reduction Programs (Nunn-Lugar) by $40 million from $443 million to $403 million. The Administration has already reduced the Department of Energy non-proliferation programs by $100 million. ==Provides Ballistic Missile Defense programs $8.3 billion (an increase of $3 billion or 57% from FY 2001). ==Despite talk of "skipping a generation of weapons," the budget funds all major weapons systems on the drawing board, postponing weapons decisions until the fiscal 2003 budget. ==The Defense Department's recent request for an additional $18 billion was not covered by the fiscal 2002 budget resolution adopted earlier this year and now has to be approved by the House and Senate Budget Committee Chairmen. ==The Pentagon's budget revision includes a section repealing the statute barring the unilateral reduction of the U.S. nuclear weapons (Section 714). The budget also provides for the retirement of all 50 U.S. Peacekeeper (MX) missiles. ===== MAJOR CONVENTIONAL WEAPONS REQUESTS ===== (in millions of dollars) (number of weapons in FY 2002 and states of prime contractors in parentheses) F/A-18 E/F Navy Super Hornet - (48 planes made in MA, MO, MD & CA) FY 2001 - $2,987 FY 2002 - $3291 F-22 Air Force advanced fighter (13 planes made in GA, TX, WA and FL) FY 2001 - $3,922 FY 2002 - $3,903 JSF Navy-Air Force-Marine Joint Strike Fighter (Competition in WA, MD, FL) FY 2001 - $682 FY 2002 - $1,537 V-22 Osprey - (12 planes made in TX, PA and IN) FY 2001 - $1,708 FY 2002 - $1,788 RAH-66 Army Comanche light helicopter (made in CT, PA, AZ, IN) FY 2001 - $608 FY 2002 - $788 AH-64 Longbow Apache helicopter (made in MD) FY 2001 - $755 FY 2002 - $918 Crusader Mobile Howitzer (made in MN, MA, MI, OK) FY 2001 - $352 FY 2002 - $448 C-17 Air Force airlift aircraft (15 planes made in CA and CT) FY 2001 - $2,931 FY 2002 - $3,684 C-130J cargo aircraft (2 planes made in GA and IN) FY 2001 - $206 FY 2002 - $221 E-8C Joint STARS airborne radar system (1 plane made in FL) FY 2001 - $294 FY 2002 - $332 F-16 Air Force Falcon (0 aircraft made in TX, CT and OH) FY 2001 - $121 FY 2002 - $0 NSSN New Attack Submarine (1 sub made in CT and VA) FY 2001 - $1,701 FY 2002 - $2,293 DDG-51 Navy Aegis destroyer (3 destroyers made in ME and MS) FY 2001 - $3,131 FY 2002 - $2,966 LPD-17 Navy transport dock ship (2 ships made in LA, ME, CA & AL) FY 2001 - $556 FY 2002 - $422 Source: Department of Defense Amended Budget Fiscal Year 2002 ===== MOST EXPENSIVE WEAPONS SYSTEMS - TOTAL PROGRAM COSTS ====== ???? billion: National and theater missile defense $200 billion: JSF Navy-Air Force-Marine Joint Strike Fighter (3,128) $ 65.7 billion: Virginia Class Attack Submarine (30) $ 61.2 billion: F-22 (341) $ 46.8 billion: F/A-18 E/F (548) $ 44.9 billion: C-17 Cargo plane (134) $ 27.2: billion: Trident II Missiles (453) $ 11.2 billion: Crusader Mobile Howitzer (480) $ 10.7 billion: LPD 17 (12) $ 10.3 billion: LHD 1 (8) $ 8.8 billion: Longbow Apache (850) $ 8.6 billion: JSTARS airborne radar system $ 6.3 billion: Airborne Laser (7) Source: Selected Acquisition Reports, December 11, 2000; JSF, Crusader and ABL from Director of Operational Test and Evaluation Fiscal 2000 report to Congress ===== STRATEGIC NUCLEAR PROGRAM REQUESTS IN FY 2001 BUDGET ====== B-1B bomber: $290 million B-2 bomber: $166.9 million Trident II (D-5 missile): $559 million (12 new missiles, made in CA) Ballistic Missile Defense: $8.3 billion (an increase of $3 billion or 57% from FY 2001) $3,940.5 million - Ballistic Missile Defense Midcourse Defense Segment ------------------THIS IS MORE THAN THE USAID!!! $685.3 million - Ballistic Missile Defense Boost Defense Segment $495.6 million - Ballistic Missile Defense Sensors $779.6 million - Ballistic Missile Defense System Segment $968.2 million - Ballistic Missile Defense Terminal Segment $783.7 million - Patriot PAC3 theater defense $405.3 million - Space Based Infrared System (SBIRS High) $388.5 million - Navy Area Missile Defense > > and all of this does not include support provided by non-governemnt > organizations (NGOs), charities, and multi-national organizations > (such as the IMF, World Bank, and UN) to whom the the US is a key > contributor. > > keep this in perpective next time you say, or someone sys to you, that > the United States is not attuned to problems elsewhere around the > world or that it, as a nation, simply does not care. > > PS - for good international news, read the washington post, NY times, > or use BBC news (either online or on cable). > > a means to an end . . . > > christopher > Nice try... -Cedric Justice - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. 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Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: the drowning man Subject: Re: (descent) peace Date: 02 Oct 2001 08:33:54 -0700 (PDT) > i don't believe that snide remarks warrent, nor deserve comment. > > i offered a statement of fact as a way of pecieving the US's role in world affairs, and perhaps stimulating others to engage in an open and intelligent disucssion of issues. if you care to do so, email me off-line, as not to further convolute the list with non-Cure discussions. My only list response to this... Apologies if I hurt your feelings, christopher, (i do like most of you, including you), and I would like to refer you to the wisdom of World War... "No-one's a winner No-one's a loser... Just a dead friend" I just don't want to see more 'dead friend's in the world... > a means to an end . . . > > christopher > Love wastefully, Cedric - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Molones22@aol.com Subject: Re: (descent) cuT HEre Date: 02 Oct 2001 22:07:19 EDT i love this song..i cant stop playing it..it reminds me of my ex girlfriend :( - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mauro Lombardo" Subject: Re: (descent) cuT HEre Date: 02 Oct 2001 23:45:56 +0200 older cure song? it seems like a bad wms's song.... ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 6:17 AM i see why people make the joy division comments. because of the bass sound. a chorusy bass with that strummy sound. well, if you all have read some cure bios, you'd know that in the early days, they'd play in the clubs with JD and robert would say they were one of the very few good bands there. but it sounds like an older cure track. like something that may have been left off of head on the door. that's what i think. it's like a step back or something. kinda dated sounding. but it's a nice little tune, nothing special....certainly no in btwn days or anything. db ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 3:27 PM > personally I don't like it, :( > > cherrytreegirl > > At 10:54 AM 10/1/01 +0200, you wrote: > >I think that everyone here has some problems with their ears.... > > > >cut here similar to a joy division's song???????? > > > >don't compare the stupid pop song song with joy division please! > > > >sonicmauro > > > > > > > >- > > To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > "help" to the same address. 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For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brian callahan Subject: (descent) tabs? Date: 02 Oct 2001 11:47:04 -0700 (PDT) anyone got any info on a bass and guitar tab for "it's not you" ? thanks! -brian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: the drowning man Subject: Re: (descent) tabs? Date: 03 Oct 2001 08:40:16 -0700 (PDT) On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, brian callahan wrote: > anyone got any info on a bass and guitar tab for "it's > not you" ? > > thanks! If ANYONE has ANY music of the cure (book, internet, handscrawled on a NAPKIN!) I would like to get my mits on it... please respond to the list to share the resources... and I'm still looking for a 'robert'! -Cedric Justice Founder of theXplodingboys - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Eevil Penetralia Subject: (descent) cure mp3 DEPOT on hotline Date: 03 Oct 2001 18:21:05 -0500 hi all... i am a pretty big cure fan and for those of you who use hotline, (and for those of you who don't http://hotline.rocked.org holds the version 1.2.3 Archives) i have a big surprize! i will be getting a DSL line soon and will open a hotline server with underground electronic/ industrial .mp3's, videos, texts, apps, Whatever!~ this will be a HOTLINE ONLY server, and since hotline just went belly up, this will be your last chance to download the hotline client for both mac and pc! i have many cure videos, boots, rareties and almost every song in .mp3 format. anyway! i will inform those interested in my server on this list at a later date (when i have everything finalized) *links for HL client downloads: PC: http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-3291790-100-6374465.html?tag=st.dl.10001-103-1.lst-7-1.6374465 Mac: http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10204-100-6545901.html?tag=st.dl.10005-103-1.lst-7-1.6545901 - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Scott Subject: (descent) Demographics! Date: 03 Oct 2001 09:53:43 +0100 Hello! Anyone on this list based in the UK? - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "pv" Subject: Re: (descent) cuT HEre Date: 03 Oct 2001 09:23:07 -0700 yea it sounds like an outtake from the Glove sessions.... it's the overtly chorusy Severin bass sounds... db ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 2:45 PM > older cure song? > it seems like a bad wms's song.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Professor Vast" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 6:17 AM > Subject: Re: (descent) cuT HEre > > > i see why people make the joy division comments. because of the bass sound. > a chorusy bass with that strummy sound. well, if you all have read some cure > bios, you'd know that in the early days, they'd play in the clubs with JD > and robert would say they were one of the very few good bands there. > > but it sounds like an older cure track. like something that may have been > left off of head on the door. that's what i think. > > it's like a step back or something. kinda dated sounding. but it's a nice > little tune, nothing special....certainly no in btwn days or anything. > > db > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 3:27 PM > Subject: Re: (descent) cuT HEre > > > > personally I don't like it, :( > > > > cherrytreegirl > > > > At 10:54 AM 10/1/01 +0200, you wrote: > > >I think that everyone here has some problems with their ears.... > > > > > >cut here similar to a joy division's song???????? > > > > > >don't compare the stupid pop song song with joy division please! > > > > > >sonicmauro > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. > > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > > http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ > > > > > - > To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ > > > > - > To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ > - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "c" Subject: Re: (descent) Lyrics for cuTHEre Date: 03 Oct 2001 22:56:50 -0700 Yeah, I've recently broken up with my girlfriend of 6.5 years. We're great together, but I'm not ready to get married. So, Cut Here touches me when he say's, "I would have done it right, I would've moved us on, but I didn't, now it's all too late. It's over, and your gone. I miss you, I miss you, I miss you so much." Wow, it kills me; and I love it. ;-\ --Chris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 6:04 PM Does anyone have any insight or opinions on the lyrics?? - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "c" Subject: (descent) Pope Video Date: 03 Oct 2001 22:10:47 -0700 I recently saw the new Coldplay video and I noticed that it was directed by Tim Pope. (here comes my *unqualified* opinion) Why can't Pope make videos that cool for The Cure? I love the Lovesong and Just Like Heaven videos, but that's about it. Has anyone else seen the Coldplay video? --Chris - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "c" Subject: (descent) Boris in the band Date: 04 Oct 2001 03:01:03 -0700 Did anyone notice that Boris was in on the recording sessions of the new acoustic album? Check out the photos: http://www.thecure.com/acoustichits.html I hope he didn't have to stick to auxiliary percussion the whole time. With the *gleaming cube* he's kind of hard to tell apart from Porl now. ;-P --Chris - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian Reid" Subject: Re: (descent) Demographics! Date: 04 Oct 2001 09:06:41 +0100 Yep - North Staffordshire. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:53 AM > Hello! > > Anyone on this list based in the UK? > > > > - > To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ > - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Inge Schoorl Subject: (descent) Re: Demographics! Date: 04 Oct 2001 14:47:07 +0100 >Anyone on this list based in the UK? Yup, I am! Colchester, Essex (-: - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Airneck Subject: Re: (descent) cure mp3 DEPOT on hotline Date: 04 Oct 2001 20:44:16 +0200 What a good idea ! What will be the name of your server ? Let's share airneck=20 On 4/10/01 1:21, "The Eevil Penetralia" a =E9crit: > hi all... >=20 > i am a pretty big cure fan and for those of you who use hotline, (and > for those of you who don't http://hotline.rocked.org holds the > version 1.2.3 Archives) i have a big surprize! >=20 > i will be getting a DSL line soon and will open a hotline server with > underground electronic/ industrial .mp3's, videos, texts, apps, > Whatever!~ >=20 > this will be a HOTLINE ONLY server, and since hotline just went belly > up, this will be your last chance to download the hotline client for > both mac and pc! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > i have many cure videos, boots, rareties and almost every song in .mp3 fo= rmat. >=20 > anyway! i will inform those interested in my server on this list at > a later date (when i have everything finalized) >=20 >=20 > *links for HL client downloads: >=20 > PC:=20 > http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-3291790-100-6374465.html?tag=3Dst.dl.1= 0001- > 103-1.lst-7-1.6374465 > Mac:=20 > http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10204-100-6545901.html?tag=3Dst.dl.100= 05-10 > 3-1.lst-7-1.6545901 >=20 >=20 > - > To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Cromar Subject: (descent) Cure Show Ticket For Sale Date: 04 Oct 2001 21:54:26 +0100 There is a charity gala performance of 'Famous Last Words', a play featuring music by The Cure, Underworld, Garbage and Leftfield. The play is followed by a set from The Cureheads and a party with 'celebrity guests and VIPs'. Go to http://www.outofthegloom.com/polymath/index.htm for details. It's on Thursday October 11th 2001 at The Broadway Theatre, Barking. I have a ticket which I now don't need so you can have it at the face value of 15 UK pounds. E-mail me privately at online@acromar.demon.co.uk if you are interested. Andrew Cromar -- ============================================== White Light Music: Used Records, Tapes & CDs http://www.cromar.org/wlm Mezzanine Floors: The Pink Military Web Site http://www.acromar.demon.co.uk/pink.htm ============================================== - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lana Subject: (descent) Cureheads show in Chicago Date: 05 Oct 2001 08:37:03 -0700 (PDT) from kamar: the Cureheads, the only official tribute to the Cure!!!! The Cureheads have been touring for the past ten years and this is their first ever Chicago apperance! They have received rave reviews from the NME, VH1, as well as newspapers across Europe. Here is the detailed Info... The Cureheads w/ special Guests: Endora Vic Theatre Chicago (Belmont and Sheffield) Thursday Nov 1st ALL AGES doors at 6pm show starts at 7pm tickets on sale 9/29 at 10am There will be a raffle at the show for an autographed Fender Guitar. Raffle tickets will be two dollars. All proceeds will be donated to relief funds for the victims of the terrorist attacks on sept. 11. Please show your support by purchasing a raffle ticket. __________________________________________________ if anyone thinks they might go and wants to meet up before the show email me... later, Lana Club America-Cure fan club- Chicago ===== " i will kiss you forever on nights like this....." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: doplgangr Subject: Re: (descent) peace Date: 10 Oct 2001 19:35:18 -0700 forgive my coming in on this so late, and thanks to jessie for tolerating so much off-topic material... i just wanted to share a quote from the late carl sagan that provides another way of looking at this subject: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/pale_blue_dot.html there are no easy answers to this situation, but one thing is for sure... this earth is all we have. if we expect to be around for a whole lot longer, we'd better start looking for some way to get along with each other... thanks for caring, jewel seti@home team jupiter crash - cure fans across the universe http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/cgi?cmd=team_lookup&name=jupiter+crash - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Falken Subject: (descent) Cure Here - Promo Date: 14 Oct 2001 22:53:40 +0200 Hello Friends, which songs and versions are on the "Cut Here" Promo release ? Thanks. Falken -- Homepage: http://www.brockenblick.pp.ru - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IamMoJoBoy@aol.com Subject: Re: (descent) Cure Here - Promo Date: 14 Oct 2001 21:33:35 EDT --part1_76.114bb3b0.28fb96ef_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ive found the 'cut here' promo on KAZAA. does anyone know where to find 'signal to noise' and 'just say yes'? if so, email me back at iammojoboy@aol.com. thanks in advance. fool enough to almost be it cool enought to not quite see it june... - smashing pumpkins --part1_76.114bb3b0.28fb96ef_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ive found the 'cut here' promo on KAZAA. does anyone know where to find
'signal to noise' and 'just say yes'? if so, email me back at iammojoboy@aol.com.
thanks in advance.


        



                                        fool enough to almost be it
                                                cool enought to not quite see it
                                                                june...

                                                                                                - smashing pumpkins --part1_76.114bb3b0.28fb96ef_boundary-- - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "EireGirl" Subject: (descent) a link of interest... Date: 18 Oct 2001 08:26:06 -0500 hey i thought some of you might find this article interesting. especially those who are thinking of setting up servers to share mp3's. http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47552,00.html ~~eiregirl - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gregor Freund" Subject: AW: (descent) Cure Here - Promo Date: 15 Oct 2001 08:50:14 +0200 > which songs and versions are on the "Cut Here" Promo release ? The Swiss (European?) version is a one track promo (released by Universal). Take Cure Greg - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Monty Charlton Subject: (descent) GH clarification Date: 20 Oct 2001 22:09:47 -0600 I'm sorry if this has been discussed recently. Had a dead machine and no email for a little while. I'm about to pre-order a greatest hits CD, but I wanted to be clear on one thing. The difference between the UK & US CDs are just the original versions of The Caterpillar & POY in the UK vs. The Walk in the US, right? And, the bonus disc is (or is, as of today) exactly the same between the two releases, correct? Just wanted to make sure. Hopefully someone knows... Thanks, Monty - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Professor Vast" Subject: (descent) Prof. Vast / live L.A. gig Date: 20 Oct 2001 22:19:25 -0700 hey people, i'm playing a live show on October 24 as part of the Twine weekly put together by Green Galactic - http://www.greengalactic.com/e-twine.html joining me for the fun are Peng and DJ Random October 24th in the Knitting Factory's Alterknit lounge. it's a $5 cover so come out and support. -Professor Vast - live acid techno, drum and bass, ambient/drone, trip hop. multi-track mixing with live guitars. -DJ Random - dj set of drum and bass and whatever else he might want to do -Peng - full band set hope you all can come and check this out. jungle rock will rear it's lovely head. "we're the masters...of the superblaster" Professor Vast http://www.mp3.com/PV Expansion Research - Liquid Lab Scientific Outpost - Vulcan Solar System _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Flor Subject: (descent) GREAT OLD ('87 & '88) ARGENTINIAN CURE MAGAZINES FOR SALE Date: 23 Oct 2001 06:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Hello, I have a bunch of extremely rare, unique magazines from Argentina for sale. All of them feature Robert on the cover. The mags are either from 1987 or 1988 (the 1987 ones cover the only visit of the cure to Buenos Aires/South American tour), and are in mint condition. This is a unique opportunity to get hold of these treasures. Below I listed the issues. Please, drop a line if you're interested, want a scan of the covers or have any questions (first comes first serves). 1) Rock & Pop, early March 1987 Right before the Buenos Aires show. The cover reads "the cure: all about their new album and the south american tour". Amazing cover. One of my favs. 2)Rock & Pop, late March 1987 Preview issue of their show in Buenos Aires, from March 1987. The cover reads "finally: the cure in argentina". 3) Pelo, April 1987 Unique Argentinian cover pic: super close-up of Robert at the Buenos Aires press conference. Gorgeous, really. Another fav. This issue came out after their shows in Buenos Aires. The cover reads "for the first time robert smith tells the thrush about the tour" . The title of the article is "somewhere in beirut" because of the riots that took place in both the Argentinian and Brazilian shows. Robert talks about his impressions of these shows in the interview. 4) Pelo, February 1988 This is a Cure special issue. On the cover it reads "cure special" - " the last interview. the new image. scratches and kisses from Smith". It also comes with a very cool poster of the band (great 1987 pic), in nice, thick, glossy paper. 5) Pelo, May'88 This is a very funny issue. The cover reads "robert smith records a solo album - what happens with the cure?". The title of the article is "robert smith announces his debut as a solo artist" ... hahahahaa There's also a very cool ad for the head on the door, with its unique Argentinian cover (different from all the other hotd's covers of the world). Thanks :) Cheers Flor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Pille=20Palle?= Subject: Re: (descent) Cureheads show in Chicago /Oh my! Date: 23 Oct 2001 23:30:22 +0200 (CEST) hi! i still can't understand why the Cureheads are so popular.. i mean.. has anyone of you guys ever listened to other coverbands like 'curiosity' from belgium or 'easycure' from italy? especially 'curiosity' are much better than the horrible cureheads.. first of all because the singer is really excellent.. which you can't say about Gary! (who, btw. seems to me to be an arrogant asshole sending emails to other coverbands telling them they would come to their next concert and bash them up just because the cureheads are the "one and only" truely official coverband or some other bullshit.. this is why i would never go and pay anything to see them play, even if it was just for the fun and the drinking and stuff..) well, who cares anyway? millhouse --- Lana schrieb: > from kamar: > > the Cureheads, the only official tribute to the > Cure!!!! The Cureheads have been touring for the > past > ten years > and this is their first ever Chicago apperance! They > have received rave > reviews from the NME, VH1, as well as newspapers > across Europe. Here is > the > detailed Info... > > The Cureheads > w/ special Guests: Endora > Vic Theatre > Chicago (Belmont and Sheffield) > Thursday Nov 1st > ALL AGES > doors at 6pm > show starts at 7pm > tickets on sale 9/29 at 10am > > There will be a raffle at the show for an > autographed > Fender Guitar. > Raffle > tickets will be two dollars. All proceeds will be > donated to relief > funds > for the victims of the terrorist attacks on sept. > 11. > Please show your support by purchasing a raffle > ticket. > > __________________________________________________ > > if anyone thinks they might go and wants to meet up > before the show email me... > > later, > Lana > > Club America-Cure fan club- Chicago > > > ===== > " i will kiss you forever on nights like this....." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site > hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > > > - > To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to > "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the > message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and > old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in > your message. > http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ __________________________________________________________________ Es ist soweit: das Nokia Game beginnt. Sei bereit für das multimediale Abenteuer. Melde dich bis zum 3. November bei http://de.promotions.yahoo.com/info/nokiagame an! - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pandora Subject: Re: (descent) Cureheads show in Chicago /Oh my! Date: 24 Oct 2001 05:14:56 -0700 (PDT) I totally agree, they stink. I got a copy of some of the songs he did from a friend in England, yikes. There are definitely better Cure coverbands out there. Save your money. Let Gary's head deflate a little... --- Pille Palle wrote: > hi! > > i still can't understand why the Cureheads are so > popular.. i mean.. has anyone of you guys ever > listened to other coverbands like 'curiosity' from > belgium or 'easycure' from italy? > > especially 'curiosity' are much better than the > horrible cureheads.. first of all because the singer > is really excellent.. which you can't say about Gary! > (who, btw. seems to me to be an arrogant asshole > sending emails to other coverbands telling them they > would come to their next concert and bash them up just > because the cureheads are the "one and only" truely > official coverband or some other bullshit.. this is > why i would never go and pay anything to see them > play, even if it was just for the fun and the drinking > and stuff..) > > well, who cares anyway? > > millhouse > > --- Lana schrieb: > from > kamar: > > > > the Cureheads, the only official tribute to the > > Cure!!!! The Cureheads have been touring for the > > past > > ten years > > and this is their first ever Chicago apperance! They > > have received rave > > reviews from the NME, VH1, as well as newspapers > > across Europe. Here is > > the > > detailed Info... > > > > The Cureheads > > w/ special Guests: Endora > > Vic Theatre > > Chicago (Belmont and Sheffield) > > Thursday Nov 1st > > ALL AGES > > doors at 6pm > > show starts at 7pm > > tickets on sale 9/29 at 10am > > > > There will be a raffle at the show for an > > autographed > > Fender Guitar. > > Raffle > > tickets will be two dollars. All proceeds will be > > donated to relief > > funds > > for the victims of the terrorist attacks on sept. > > 11. > > Please show your support by purchasing a raffle > > ticket. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > if anyone thinks they might go and wants to meet up > > before the show email me... > > > > later, > > Lana > > > > Club America-Cure fan club- Chicago > > > > > > ===== > > " i will kiss you forever on nights like this....." > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site > > hosting, just $8.95/month. > > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the > > message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and > > old messages send > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in > > your message. > > http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Es ist soweit: das Nokia Game beginnt. Sei bereit für das multimediale > Abenteuer. Melde dich bis zum 3. November bei > http://de.promotions.yahoo.com/info/nokiagame an! > > > - > To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Sometimes" Subject: (descent) another cover Date: 24 Oct 2001 14:11:58 -0500 There is a cover of Lovesong done my Naimee Coleman, if you haven't heard it check out the video here-----------> http://www.naimeecoleman.com/ click on misc and it'll play the full version of it:) I think it's great, and I hate covers, this one is as good as Tori's version of it. Charlotte Sometimes

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http://www.MyOwnEmail.com - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stefan Lewandowski Subject: (descent) http://visual.givemeit.de and offisual.givemeit.de Date: 27 Oct 2001 16:42:02 +0200 (MET DST) Hi, after some massive downloads my bootleg discography and offisual discography were taken from the server. To the guy from Uni Halle-Wittenberg who made these massive downloads: PLEASE CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY !!! I hope that the sites will be online again as soon as possible ... So long, Stefan 'outofmind'. - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "blucadet3 do you connect?" Subject: (descent) boots for sale and trade Date: 29 Oct 2001 14:48:14 +0000 Hi I've got the following cd's for sale: The Cure - The Walk Live in 84 Oxford and London (short 1/2 price) The Cure - Europe 1990 Live at Glastonbury June 24 1990 The Cure - New Songs Live at the Adrenaline Village May 7 1996 w interview The Cure - The 1985 European Tour Live at National Exhibition Center Birmingham UK The Cure - A Thousand Virgins rarities compilation CD-R with artwork The Cure - Swing Tour Paris 2CD-R with artwork (awsome show and sound!) The Cure - Full Moon Concert 2CD-R with artwork (glitch on one song 1/2 price) These are all bootlegs that I have bought from record stores and am selling or will trade for good stuff. The original cd's are only 20 bucks and the CD-R shows are only 9 per disk. I paid way more for them (30 bucks for the paris cd-r show) but its time to sell some stuff. I also have lots of cure shows to trade at the two links below. The phishhook list is not complete but I'll work on it today probably. Thanks and first come first served. I prefer payment via paypal and shipping is 2 bucks for the first and 1 buck for each additional cd in the US or 3.50 for priority mail up to 2 lbs. International depends on the location. Thanks for helping me clean house. More stuff to sell soon including some posters and shirts!!! ********************************************************************* cd-r trades www.phishhook.com/lists/blucadet3 fun luck www.kevinmix.com Get 10% off at www.insound.com when you tell em blucadet3 sent ya! Just enter my VIP code when you check out (blucadet3). _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe to descent, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe descent" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. http://www.xmission.com/~marysmth/cure/