From: Jeff Dixon Subject: (elongates) Hello Date: 01 Jul 1997 10:40:11 -0400 Hello everybody, I've been collecting elongated pennies for about 2 years now. I started collecting during college - which I'll explain to the group sometime. I live in Boston, Massachusetts and am quite open to the trade the pennies available here: Boston Museum of Science: Galaxy Penny - Horizontal - Has a picture of some planets and the moon? Planetarium Penny - Horizontal - Has a picture of the planetarium machine and the big and little dippers. New England Aquarium of Boston: Black Footed Penguin Penny - Vertical - one of the coolest pennies to date! It's a black footed penguin. I'm in the process of scanning in my modest penny collection (~175) and will post them on my web page when all is said and done: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jdixon - Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Fritsch Subject: Re: (elongates) Countermarking method? Date: 01 Jul 1997 21:30:56 -0400 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote: > > Hi; > > I would like to "imprint" some U.S. cents. Is there a simple machine > available that would "stamp" an image of say maybe a 1/4 square inch in area > on a cent? > > My budget is too small to purchase a roller, but, I would like to mark some > cents to be given away as promotional pieces if possible. > > Thanks, and happy collecting, > > -Bob > TEC # 2033 It sounds like you want to mark your coins with a punch of some type. As Chris said, the ready made ones are relatively inexpensive. Anything else would have to be a special order. It all depends upon how you want to mark your coins. There are those Lincoln cents with all sorts of things stamped on them (a pipe, Kennedy, Masonic emblem, etc). If that is your desire, you must find someone to make the punch for you. Look in the phone book for "Die Sinkers (makers)." Letter and number punches are readily available for a few dollars each. Regards, Bob Fritsch TEC #1871 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Fritsch Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello Date: 01 Jul 1997 21:43:03 -0400 Jeff Dixon wrote: > > Hello everybody, > > I've been collecting elongated pennies for about 2 years now. I started > collecting during college - which I'll explain to the group > sometime. > > I live in Boston, Massachusetts and am quite open to the trade the pennies > available here: > > Boston Museum of Science: > Galaxy Penny - Horizontal - Has a picture of some planets and the moon? > Planetarium Penny - Horizontal - Has a picture of the planetarium machine > and the big and little dippers. > > New England Aquarium of Boston: > Black Footed Penguin Penny - Vertical - one of the coolest pennies to date! > It's a black footed penguin. > > I'm in the process of scanning in my modest penny collection (~175) and > will post them on my web page when all is said and done: > http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jdixon > > - Jeff Hi Jeff, Saw your message on the elongateds list and wanted to let you know that Ray Dillard (Mr. Elongated) will be at the NENA show in August. It is in Marlborough at the Royal Plaza Trade Center, Route 20 West off I-495. Dates are 22-23 August. I am the President of NENA. If you come to the show, please look me up. I'd be happy to meet you. Regards, Bob Fritsch TEC 1871 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) Countermarking method? (fwd) Date: 01 Jul 1997 19:12:40 -0700 (PDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- a striking response... Christine from the Squished Penny Museum once aquired a penny with an imprint struck into it. A woman at the NOW rally in D.C. a few years back had a big pile of pennies and a hammer and an awl-like tool. She would pound the awl thing with the hammer to imprint the word "CHOICE" on a penny. The awl device had reversed letters on its end which, when struck with some force, would make an impression on the soft copper. It sounds similar to the ones Aahz has descibed as seeing at Home Depot, etc. REPLY FROM: Pete Morelewicz Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <970630130208_-259776564@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-elongates@xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: elongates@mail.xmission.com Bob, Try your local Home Depot or Orchard Supply Hardware. Tell them what you want to do, and they can probably help you out. I believe, although I could be way off base here, that there are simple metal punches available with lettering on them. If you want a special logo designed, you'll probably need to call a machine shop, or something similar. Just a couple of guesses. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mon, 30 Jun 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote: > Hi; > > I would like to "imprint" some U.S. cents. Is there a simple machine > available that would "stamp" an image of say maybe a 1/4 square inch in area > on a cent? > > My budget is too small to purchase a roller, but, I would like to mark some > cents to be given away as promotional pieces if possible. > > Thanks, and happy collecting, > > -Bob > TEC # 2033 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello Date: 01 Jul 1997 19:43:07 -0700 (PDT) On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote: > > Hello everybody, > I'm in the process of scanning in my modest penny collection (~175) and > will post them on my web page when all is said and done: > http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jdixon > > - Jeff Jeff, I'm pretty ignorant of HTML, so forgive me if I'm using the wrong word's here. From what I understand, there are ttwo ways to put graphics on your webpage: 'Inline', one result of which is that graphics can't be downloaded and, '????' which allows the graphics to be downloaded. I use a non-graphical browser, so VASTLY prefer that when you construct your page you do not put the graphics 'inline'. I know that this is how Kathy does her page. Result: I can't see any of her graphics! When the graphics are not done inline I can download them and look at them offline. Just one man's opinion/request. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) Countermarking method? Date: 02 Jul 1997 12:20:20 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-07-01 22:33:10 EDT, you write: > It sounds like you want to mark your coins with a punch of some type. > As Chris said, the ready made ones are relatively inexpensive. Anything > else would have to be a special order. > > It all depends upon how you want to mark your coins. There are those > Lincoln cents with all sorts of things stamped on them (a pipe, Kennedy, > Masonic emblem, etc). If that is your desire, you must find someone to > make the punch for you. Look in the phone book for "Die Sinkers > (makers)." > > Letter and number punches are readily available for a few dollars each. > > Regards, > > Bob Fritsch > TEC #1871 > Hi Bob; Thank you for the reply. Sounds like good advice, I was hoping that there would be some small device that would "line up" the die/punch or maybe a small screw press of sorts. I'll make the calls suggested and see if I can't come up with a new coin for our collections :-). Happy Collecting, -Bob TEC#2033 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) Countermarking method? (fwd) Date: 02 Jul 1997 12:21:04 -0400 (EDT) : > a striking response... > Christine from the Squished Penny Museum once aquired a penny with an > imprint > struck into it. A woman at the NOW rally in D.C. a few years back had a big > pile of pennies and a hammer and an awl-like tool. She would pound the awl > thing with the hammer to imprint the word "CHOICE" on a penny. The awl > device > had reversed letters on its end which, when struck with some force, would > make an impression on the soft copper. It sounds similar to the ones Aahz > has > descibed as seeing at Home Depot, etc. > - Pete; Your striking response has made an impression on me! :-) Was the awl-like device a single tool with several letters cut on it or was there just one letter each on several tools? Thanks, -Bob TEC#2033 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Dixon Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello Date: 02 Jul 1997 15:56:43 -0400 Hi Bob, What does NENA stand for? - Jeff At 09:43 PM 7/1/97 -0400, you wrote: >Jeff Dixon wrote: >> >> Hello everybody, >> >> I've been collecting elongated pennies for about 2 years now. I started >> collecting during college - which I'll explain to the group >> sometime. >> >> I live in Boston, Massachusetts and am quite open to the trade the pennies >> available here: >> >> Boston Museum of Science: >> Galaxy Penny - Horizontal - Has a picture of some planets and the moon? >> Planetarium Penny - Horizontal - Has a picture of the planetarium machine >> and the big and little dippers. >> >> New England Aquarium of Boston: >> Black Footed Penguin Penny - Vertical - one of the coolest pennies to date! >> It's a black footed penguin. >> >> I'm in the process of scanning in my modest penny collection (~175) and >> will post them on my web page when all is said and done: >> http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jdixon >> >> - Jeff > >Hi Jeff, > >Saw your message on the elongateds list and wanted to let you know that >Ray Dillard (Mr. Elongated) will be at the NENA show in August. It is >in Marlborough at the Royal Plaza Trade Center, Route 20 West off >I-495. Dates are 22-23 August. > >I am the President of NENA. If you come to the show, please look me >up. I'd be happy to meet you. > >Regards, > >Bob Fritsch >TEC 1871 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William C. Massey" Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello Date: 02 Jul 1997 16:25:50 -0700 Jeff Dixon wrote: > > Hi Bob, > > What does NENA stand for? > > - Jeff > > At 09:43 PM 7/1/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Jeff Dixon wrote: > >> > >> Hello everybody, > >> > >> I've been collecting elongated pennies for about 2 years now. I started > >> collecting during college - which I'll explain to the group > >> sometime. > >> > >> I live in Boston, Massachusetts and am quite open to the trade the pennies > >> available here: > >> > >> Boston Museum of Science: > >> Galaxy Penny - Horizontal - Has a picture of some planets and the > moon? > >> Planetarium Penny - Horizontal - Has a picture of the planetarium machine > >> and the big and little dippers. > >> > >> New England Aquarium of Boston: > >> Black Footed Penguin Penny - Vertical - one of the coolest pennies to date! > >> It's a black footed penguin. > >> > >> I'm in the process of scanning in my modest penny collection (~175) and > >> will post them on my web page when all is said and done: > >> http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jdixon > >> > >> - Jeff > > > >Hi Jeff, > > > >Saw your message on the elongateds list and wanted to let you know that > >Ray Dillard (Mr. Elongated) will be at the NENA show in August. It is > >in Marlborough at the Royal Plaza Trade Center, Route 20 West off > >I-495. Dates are 22-23 August. > > > >I am the President of NENA. If you come to the show, please look me > >up. I'd be happy to meet you. > > > >Regards, > > > >Bob Fritsch > >TEC 1871 > > > > My guess is that NENA = New England Numismatic Association. -- Elongatedly Yours, William C. Massey TEC #1857 ******************************************** P.S. Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary C. and Ben L." Subject: (elongates) Countermarks Date: 02 Jul 1997 16:56:59 -0400 Hi all. Two sources to try for dies for countermarking: Henry A. Evers Corp. 72 N. Oxford St. Providence, RI 02905 Ph. 401-781-4767 Fax 401-781-9581 OR Centaur Forge. ltd. P.O. Box 340-A 117 N. Spring St. Burlington, WI 53105 Ph. 414-763-9175 Fax 414-763-8350 If you send Centaur Forge a hand drawn design of what you want, and the desired overall height. They will send you a written quote within a few days. If you contact either of these companies, please let them know that their information was passed along from ads in 'The Blade' magazine. Good luck. Ben Lavine mcsquare@erols.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Fritsch Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello Date: 02 Jul 1997 21:19:57 -0400 Jeff Dixon wrote: > > Hi Bob, > > What does NENA stand for? > > - Jeff New England Numismatic Association. We are the oldest regional club in the US, and boast a membership of over 500. I would be happy to send you our latest issue of our magazine and a membership application. Please send your SnailMail address (only to me, not to the group) and I'll get it in the mail immediately. We are an ANA member club and are listed on their web site (www.money.org). Bob NENA PO Box 3003 Nashua, NH 03061-3003 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Fritsch Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello Date: 02 Jul 1997 21:31:03 -0400 William C. Massey wrote: > My guess is that NENA = New England Numismatic Association. > -- > Elongatedly Yours, > > William C. Massey > TEC #1857 Exactly right! Come see us for our 53rd Annual Conference and Convention in Marlborough, MA the weekend before Labor Day (22-23 Aug). We do a Friday/Saturday show as everybody seems to like that schedule. Anthony Swiatek will be our keynote speaker and Ray Dillard will be there to squash pennies. Should be lots of fun. Bob Fritsch rfritsch@concentric.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) Countermarking method? Date: 02 Jul 1997 20:43:52 -0700 (PDT) On Wed, 2 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote: > Hi Bob; > > Thank you for the reply. Sounds like good advice, I was hoping that there > would be some small device that would "line up" the die/punch or maybe a > small screw press of sorts. I'll make the calls suggested and see if I can't > come up with a new coin for our collections :-). > > Happy Collecting, > -Bob > TEC#2033 > Bob, Don't forget to let us all know how things work out! Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello Date: 02 Jul 1997 20:50:20 -0700 (PDT) On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote: > Exactly right! Come see us for our 53rd Annual Conference and > Convention in Marlborough, MA the weekend before Labor Day (22-23 Aug). Isn't this the same weekend that ANA is in New York? > We do a Friday/Saturday show as everybody seems to like that schedule. > Anthony Swiatek will be our keynote speaker and Ray Dillard will be > there to squash pennies. Should be lots of fun. Be sure to pick up a few extras of Ray's elongates for trades! Coin shows are one of my areas of interest, so you can count me in for one of each variety from the show. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary C. and Ben L." Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello Date: 03 Jul 1997 07:59:13 -0400 Bob Fritsch wrote: > > William C. Massey wrote: > > My guess is that NENA = New England Numismatic Association. > > -- > > Elongatedly Yours, > > > > William C. Massey > > TEC #1857 > > Exactly right! Come see us for our 53rd Annual Conference and > Convention in Marlborough, MA the weekend before Labor Day (22-23 Aug). Hi Bob! What are the show hours for Fri. and Sat. 8/22, 8/23? Thanks! Ben Lavine mcsquare@erols.com > We do a Friday/Saturday show as everybody seems to like that schedule. > Anthony Swiatek will be our keynote speaker and Ray Dillard will be > there to squash pennies. Should be lots of fun. > > Bob Fritsch > rfritsch@concentric.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) Lord's Prayer elongates Date: 03 Jul 1997 21:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Greetings & Salutations! Well, I've just confirmed that no one has, to date, completed a listing of all of the Lord's Prayer elongated coins. Apparently, Angelo Rosato began such a work, but was unable to complete it. The others who have publicly announced their desire to do so have also found themselves unable to make a serious effort, generally due to failing eyesight. So, I have decided to take the plunge. Martin-Dow's "Yesterday's Elongateds" lists nearly 200 variations of elongated coins with the Lord's Prayer. This book was published in 1981 and covers primarily issues up to 1965. In addition, Doug Fairbainks lists another five from this time period in his "Guide to Unlisteds". I believe that there are more than 1,000 different elongateds containing the text of the Lord's Prayer. Why so many variations? Well, the simple answer is that the Lord's Prayer is both timeless and popular. Most elongateds commemorate a special event or site, thus a roller had a finite window in which to sell those issues. However, A roller could cut a die with the Lord's Prayer and continue to roll and sell it forever. Each roller would use his own formatting and border design. Additionally, if you were ask ten people to recite the Lord's Prayer you would hear at least four different variations on it. As you can tell, this is a mammoth undertaking and one that can not be done in a vacuum. So I am sending out a call for help. If you receive an offer for a Lord's Prayer elongate, or see one for sale, please either pick it up for me, or let me know how I can get hold of it. If you have one (or more) Lord's Prayer elongates in your collection, could you possibly send me a scan or photo of it/them? Many people have expressed an interest in this work, and I will, of course, give full credit to all of those who assist me in its completion. Thank you in advance for your help! Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) Punk elongates? Date: 04 Jul 1997 01:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Greetings & Salutations! =09I just finished going thru about 1500 newsgroup messages from=20 95-present that showed up on searcehs for pressed pennies, elongated=20 cents, etc. I just had to share this post I found in the alt.punk=20 newsgroup. 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Come see us for our 53rd Annual Conference and > > Convention in Marlborough, MA the weekend before Labor Day (22-23 Aug). > > Isn't this the same weekend that ANA is in New York? ANANY is 30 Jul - 3 Aug, one month before the NENA show. > Be sure to pick up a few extras of Ray's elongates for trades! > Coin shows are one of my areas of interest, so you can count me in for > one of each variety from the show. Will do! Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Fritsch Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello Date: 04 Jul 1997 06:39:47 -0400 Mary C. and Ben L. wrote: > > Hi Bob! > > What are the show hours for Fri. and Sat. 8/22, 8/23? > > Thanks! Show hours are 10AM - 6PM on Friday 22 August, and 9AM - 4PM on Saturday 23 August. The Royal Plaza Trade Center is located in Marlborough, MA, Route 20 West, Exit 24B off I-495. It's about a mile from the Interstate. If you have kids, bring them for the YN Fourm (Boy Scout Coin Collecting Merit Badge can be signed off here; not sure about the Girl Scout Collecting badge). We also have exhibits and speakers and a What-Is-It? Table. Be sure to say "Hi" when you come. Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Henry Subject: Re: (elongates) Lord's Prayer elongates Date: 04 Jul 1997 10:07:45 -0500 I have two that I will throw into your others at no charge. janelle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) Countermarks Date: 04 Jul 1997 12:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Hi Ben! Great leads! Thanks! I'll check them out next week. All have a great weekend! -Bob In a message dated 97-07-03 22:27:49 EDT, you write: > Hi all. > > Two sources to try for dies for countermarking: > > Henry A. Evers Corp. > 72 N. Oxford St. > Providence, RI 02905 > Ph. 401-781-4767 > Fax 401-781-9581 > > OR > > Centaur Forge. ltd. > P.O. Box 340-A > 117 N. Spring St. > Burlington, WI 53105 > Ph. 414-763-9175 > Fax 414-763-8350 > > If you send Centaur Forge a hand drawn design of what you want, and the > desired overall height. They will send you a written quote within a few > days. > > If you contact either of these companies, please let them know that > their information was passed along from ads in 'The Blade' magazine. > > Good luck. > > Ben Lavine > mcsquare@erols.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ... <...> Subject: (elongates) Machine Locations Date: 04 Jul 1997 11:47:48 -0500 Does anyone know of any coin machines in Cleveland, Ohio? Is there a machine at the Rock-n-Roll Museum? What about Memphis, TN? Are there any Elvis coins? Any at Niagara Falls near Buffalo, NY? I've already checked out Willy's Hitchhikers Guide and Bert's Smashed Coin Locator. Please let me know. I may be visiting these locations very soon. Thanks! ... trueWeb Design ... http://www.truewebdesign.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Henry Subject: (elongates) elongated pennies from Disney World Date: 04 Jul 1997 11:52:27 -0500 Does anyone have access to the full set of Disney World pennies? Would like to obtain the full set (yes I know it is a large number) on pre-82 pennies. Is it possible? Thanks. Janelle Henry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) Special NASA coin sign? Date: 04 Jul 1997 23:45:57 -0700 (PDT) There's a couple of interesting points in this Newsgroup post: > > Subject: [10]Re: penny on railroad tracks > > From: [11]catherine yronwode > > Date: 1996/08/07 > > Message-Id: <32096F7A.7E25@sonic.net> > > Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban > > > > Andrew S Goldstein wrote: > > > > > > [13]swright@prairienet.org (Stephen Wright) writes: > > > > > > >Maggie Newman ([14]smnewman@gsbkma.uchicago.edu) wrote: > > > >: ObLudditeRant: Nowadays, kids have everything done FOR 'em. My daughter > > > >: owns a flattened penny created by the revisionist method of taking a > > > >: regular penny to the Chicago Museum of Science > > > >: and Industry where they have a *machine* that flattens the pennies just > > > >: the same way a train would if you put it on the tracks. Waaah. This just made me smile 8-) > > > > > > >I saw one of the penny-flattening machines in the "oasis" (highway rest > > > >stop) near O'Hare. I was amused to see a machine designed for the > > > >specific purpose of defacing U.S. currency in a public rest stop on an > > > >Interstate highway! > > > I believe this machine is still active. Confirmations? > > > >steve > > > > > > I've seen these in several places, the most interesting one being at the > > > Boston Museum of Science. The machine includes a disclaimer that states > > > that, although under normal circumstances defacing currency is illegal, > > > that particular machine provides an exception. (You put in a penny and > > > get out a government-sanctioned "NASA coin" with a picture of the space > > > shuttle on it. I'm not sure, but I think you may have to pay an > > > additional quarter as well. Okay, here's the real question. Is this report authentic? Does this sign actually say something to the effect of 'government-sanctioned'?!? Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) Official Disney elongates Display? Date: 05 Jul 1997 00:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Greetings & Salutations! Has anyone here heard anything about Disney creating a special display for their coins? Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Article 23 of 796 > > > > Subject: [10]Re: Displaying Pressed Pennies? > > From: [11]rhgru@aol.com (RHGRU) > > Date: 1997/02/28 > > Message-Id: <19970228154800.KAA29113@ladder02.news.aol.com> > > Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney.parks > > [12][More Headers] > > > > On 25 Feb 1997 [13]rlange@everest.acpl.lib.in.us wrote: > > > Now that we've come home with our pockets overflowing with our newly > > >aquired pressed pennies, and quarters, what is the best way to display > > >them? Anybody out there have any ideas? Interested to hear your > > >responses. Ryan Lange > > > > Ryan: When we were at OKWR last Janaury 15, I asked in the gift shop > > about a display case for penny presses and one of the CM's told me that > > they are working on one. They have had many requests for one because the > > penny presses have become so popular. > > > > Rhona Grumet > > DVC Member > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) Another possible machine location Date: 05 Jul 1997 00:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Greetings and Salutations! Here is yet another possible machine location that my newsgroup search pulled up. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Article 429 of 796 > > > > Subject: [10]Re: TRIVIA TIME!!! > > From: [11]lani@lava.net (Mama Lani) > > Date: 1996/01/02 > > Message-Id: <4cc6dv$l2k@nuhou.aloha.net> > > Newsgroups: soc.culture.hawaii > > > > The famous Matsumoto's Shave Ice is in Haleiwa, also. If you don't wanna > > stand in a long line, or spend lots of money on a souvenir, you can get a > > pressed penny outside their shop for just 51 cents (two quarters and a > > penny). It squishes your penny and presses a Matsumoto's shop logo onto > > the penny. Makes a cute souvenir. > > > > > > -- > > * This is Lani Teshima-Miller, posting live from Honolulu, Hawaii on LAVA * > > * We paved paradise, put up a parking lot--and now our state govt's broke * > > * lani@lava.net--fun stuff; teshima@hawaii.edu--work stuff, tax-supported * > > * Rec.arts.bodyart Tattoo FAQ maintainer...FDC Walkaround Mr. Potato Head * ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: Re: (elongates) Another possible machine location Date: 05 Jul 1997 01:40:33 -0700 Hi Chris, I can confirm the Matsumoto Penny Machine. I was there last Sunday. I added this one and one other Haleiwa machine to my Hawaii home page. Bert http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html Chris Aahz wrote: > > Greetings and Salutations! > > Here is yet another possible machine location that my newsgroup > search pulled up. > > Peace, > > Aahz > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist > The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 > List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) > "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Article 429 of 796 > > > > > > Subject: [10]Re: TRIVIA TIME!!! > > > From: [11]lani@lava.net (Mama Lani) > > > Date: 1996/01/02 > > > Message-Id: <4cc6dv$l2k@nuhou.aloha.net> > > > Newsgroups: soc.culture.hawaii > > > > > > The famous Matsumoto's Shave Ice is in Haleiwa, also. If you don't wanna > > > stand in a long line, or spend lots of money on a souvenir, you can get a > > > pressed penny outside their shop for just 51 cents (two quarters and a > > > penny). It squishes your penny and presses a Matsumoto's shop logo onto > > > the penny. Makes a cute souvenir. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > * This is Lani Teshima-Miller, posting live from Honolulu, Hawaii on LAVA * > > > * We paved paradise, put up a parking lot--and now our state govt's broke * > > > * lani@lava.net--fun stuff; teshima@hawaii.edu--work stuff, tax-supported * > > > * Rec.arts.bodyart Tattoo FAQ maintainer...FDC Walkaround Mr. Potato Head * ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) A few more locations... Date: 05 Jul 1997 02:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Okay, here's the last of the locations I found in the newsgroups: 1) The Meteor Crater. I believe this is in Arizona. 2) Science Museum - Columbus, OH. Reported cost: $1.00 3) Santa Monica, CA pier - two designs (octopus and roller coaster) reported 6/16/97 4) 'Just about any' rest stop on the NY State Thruway. Cost: 25c from hand cranked machines. 5) The Museum of Science and Industry reportedly had a machine in the mid-'70s Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: Re: (elongates) Machine Locations Date: 05 Jul 1997 02:20:38 -0700 Hi Kathy, You will find Eurolink machines at Sea World Of Ohio. Here's some info from their Home Page: Conveniently located between Cleveland and Akron, the park is easily accessible from Ohio Turnpike exit 9, 13, 13A and Interstates 271 and 480. You might also call the Cleveland Zoo and see if they have any machines. I found Zoo Security departments seem to have a good idea of where the machines are... I know you will find Eurolink machines in Nashville at OprylandUSA (a theme park). In Memphis, you will find Eurolink's at the Memphis Zoo . If you have a Zoo pass (annual pass) from Texas, be sure to take it, many Zoo's honor passes from other Zoo's. There's a ZooNet home page (don't have the URL in front of me...) that lists the Zoo's that participate in reciprical agreements... In addition, Eurolink has machines at the Six Flags parks which are located in Los Angeles, San Antonio, Dallas, Houston, St. Louis, Chicago, New Jersey and Atlanta. As always, please jot down any Smashed Coin Locator info... I'd love to add these sites to my home pages so more of us can find the machines... Have a Smashing Good Time 8-) Bert ... wrote: > > Does anyone know of any coin machines in Cleveland, Ohio? Is there a machine at the Rock-n-Roll Museum? > What about Memphis, TN? Are there any Elvis coins? > Any at Niagara Falls near Buffalo, NY? > I've already checked out Willy's Hitchhikers Guide and Bert's Smashed Coin Locator. > Please let me know. I may be visiting these locations very soon. > Thanks! > ... > trueWeb Design > ... > http://www.truewebdesign.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: Re: (elongates) Machine Locations Date: 05 Jul 1997 02:41:52 -0700 Kathy, A little more info... Cedar Point theme park has Eurolink machines and is on Lake Erie in Sandusky, Ohio. Take the Ohio Turnpike (I-80) to Exit 7 and follow the signs north on U.S. Route 250, or take Exit 6A and follow Route 4 north. Once you reach Sandusky, just follow the signs. Bert ... wrote: > > Does anyone know of any coin machines in Cleveland, Ohio? Is there a machine at the Rock-n-Roll Museum? > What about Memphis, TN? Are there any Elvis coins? > Any at Niagara Falls near Buffalo, NY? > I've already checked out Willy's Hitchhikers Guide and Bert's Smashed Coin Locator. > Please let me know. I may be visiting these locations very soon. > Thanks! > ... > trueWeb Design > ... > http://www.truewebdesign.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary C. and Ben L." Subject: Re: (elongates) elongated pennies from Disney World Date: 05 Jul 1997 07:55:17 -0400 James Henry wrote: > > Does anyone have access to the full set of Disney World pennies? Would > like to obtain the full set (yes I know it is a large number) on pre-82 > pennies. Is it possible? Thanks. > > Janelle Henry Hi Janelle; Try Big Al at ramsayal@ix.netcom.com (Big Al & Pooh Too) or PinocProd@aol.com Good luck. Ben Lavine mcsquare@erols.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary C. and Ben L." Subject: Re: (elongates) Special NASA coin sign? Date: 05 Jul 1997 07:57:15 -0400 Chris Aahz wrote: > > There's a couple of interesting points in this Newsgroup post: > > > > Subject: [10]Re: penny on railroad tracks > > > From: [11]catherine yronwode > > > Date: 1996/08/07 > > > Message-Id: <32096F7A.7E25@sonic.net> > > > Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban > > > > > > Andrew S Goldstein wrote: > > > > > > > > [13]swright@prairienet.org (Stephen Wright) writes: > > > > > > > > >Maggie Newman ([14]smnewman@gsbkma.uchicago.edu) wrote: > > > > >: ObLudditeRant: Nowadays, kids have everything done FOR 'em. My daughter > > > > >: owns a flattened penny created by the revisionist method of taking a > > > > >: regular penny to the Chicago Museum of Science > > > > >: and Industry where they have a *machine* that flattens the pennies just > > > > >: the same way a train would if you put it on the tracks. Waaah. > > This just made me smile 8-) > > > > > > > > >I saw one of the penny-flattening machines in the "oasis" (highway rest > > > > >stop) near O'Hare. I was amused to see a machine designed for the > > > > >specific purpose of defacing U.S. currency in a public rest stop on an > > > > >Interstate highway! > > > > > I believe this machine is still active. Confirmations? > > > > > >steve > > > > > > > > I've seen these in several places, the most interesting one being at the > > > > Boston Museum of Science. The machine includes a disclaimer that states > > > > that, although under normal circumstances defacing currency is illegal, > > > > that particular machine provides an exception. (You put in a penny and > > > > get out a government-sanctioned "NASA coin" with a picture of the space > > > > shuttle on it. I'm not sure, but I think you may have to pay an > > > > additional quarter as well. > > Okay, here's the real question. Is this report authentic? Does > this sign actually say something to the effect of 'government-sanctioned'?!? > > Peace, > > Aahz > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist > The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 > List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) > "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Hi Chris. I don't think there's any such message. Just your typical "Is It Legal" type wording. C-U Ben Lavine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) 25 subscribers Date: 05 Jul 1997 18:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Greetings & Salutations! As of this afternoon, The Elongated Coin Mailing List officially has 25 subscribers! When I was contemplating starting this list I assumed there would be around 25 members. Well, we've hit that in a mere two weeks! I'm very excited about this. In addition, the TEC News article has not yet been released, and I expect to get more sunscribers from there. I just had to share this milestone with all of you. I hope you all are enjoying the list as much as I am. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dresd85854@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) 25 subscribers Date: 05 Jul 1997 22:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Chris, My name is Mark and I have not actually received a list or any type of article regarding EC's. I simply subscribed to the mailing list today. I would be very interested however in any EC related information that might be coming this way. Thanks, Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) 25 subscribers Date: 05 Jul 1997 19:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Mark, Welcome to the list! Don't worry, just hang in there and you will start to see messages from the list in your mailbox. Thus far, the majority of the posts have been trade lists and machine locations. As the membership grows and people become more comfortable with how a mailing list works, there will (hopefully 8-) be more general discussion as well. How long have you been collecting elongates? Do you have a specialty area? Are you a TEC member? Maybe we should each start posting brief bios about ourselves? Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) WF Elongates @ Auction Date: 06 Jul 1997 01:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Greetings & Salutations! I was just looking thru the June 30th ish of Coin World (Yeah, I know it's pretty old already) and discovered a mail bid auction that contains some WF elongates. Thought some of you might want to bid, so here's the info: Jim's Coin Service P.O. Box 1981 Appleton, WI 54913 Phone: 414-739-1089 FAX: 414-739-3592 Mail Bid Sale Number: 245, Closing Date: July 9,1997 BID BY LOT NUMBER No minimum bids were listed, so I have added a few notes on pricing from my admittedlt limited experience. LOT # DESCRIPTION MY NOTES ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ 1978 1901 Pan-Expo Electric Tower Martin-Dow lists 8 different coins this COULD be. All rarity 2 ($3-$6) <1981 prices> Avg price: $6-$18 1979 1901 Pan-Expo Liberal Arts Martin-Dow lists 3 different. Rarity 1-2 ($1-$6) Avg Price: $6-$18 1980 1901 Pan-Expo Temple Music Martin-Dow lists 4 different. Rarity 2-3 ($3-$12) AVG Price: $6-$25 Hope this helps someone! Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Henry Subject: Re: (elongates) Another possible machine location Date: 06 Jul 1997 06:16:29 -0500 Bert Creighton wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > I can confirm the Matsumoto Penny Machine. I was there last Sunday. I added > this one and one other Haleiwa machine to my Hawaii home page. > > Bert > http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html > > Chris Aahz wrote: > > > > Greetings and Salutations! > > > > Here is yet another possible machine location that my newsgroup > > search pulled up. > > > > Peace, > > > > Aahz > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist > > The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 > > List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) > > "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Article 429 of 796 > > > > > > > > Subject: [10]Re: TRIVIA TIME!!! > > > > From: [11]lani@lava.net (Mama Lani) > > > > Date: 1996/01/02 > > > > Message-Id: <4cc6dv$l2k@nuhou.aloha.net> > > > > Newsgroups: soc.culture.hawaii > > > > > > > > The famous Matsumoto's Shave Ice is in Haleiwa, also. If you don't wanna > > > > stand in a long line, or spend lots of money on a souvenir, you can get a > > > > pressed penny outside their shop for just 51 cents (two quarters and a > > > > penny). It squishes your penny and presses a Matsumoto's shop logo onto > > > > the penny. Makes a cute souvenir. > > > > Have tried for two days to get to Hawaii Home page. Any problems? Would like to know about getting a penny or two from the Matsumoto shop. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: Re: (elongates) Another possible machine location Date: 06 Jul 1997 10:06:00 -0700 Hi, I have tried to get to the page also. It is run out of Austin Texas by my company... Something must have happened... It will probably get resolved tomorrow. Thanks for alerting me... I was only able to get a few Matsumoto's, but will get many more next month. I can trade one now, and more in August. bc On 7/6/97 4:16 AM James Henry (jameshenry@sprintmail.com ) wrote > >Have tried for two days to get to Hawaii Home page. Any problems? >Would like to know about getting a penny or two from the Matsumoto shop. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Dixon Subject: (elongates) More information on the Museum of Science Space Shuttle penny Date: 07 Jul 1997 09:41:52 -0400 Hello everybody, I saw the Space Shuttle penny machine a year or so ago. However, I forgot to press one. It had the standard disclaimer - but didn't list any "official government sanction." I'm looking for one if anybody knows where I can get my hands on it. :) Thanks, - Jeff ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com Software Engineer Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com 411 Waverley Oaks Road Waltham, MA 02154 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Dixon Subject: (elongates) New address Date: 07 Jul 1997 16:16:29 -0400 I have a new home address (for the people who care): Jeff Dixon 422 Mystic Ave Apt 404 Somerville, MA 02145 - Jeff :) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com Software Engineer Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com 411 Waverley Oaks Road Waltham, MA 02154 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) PA Turnpike machines Date: 07 Jul 1997 22:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Came across this article in r.c.c. today. Anyone here planning a trip along said turnpike? > Article 4 of 5 > > Subject: Re: Elongates (Was: Shame on Family of Eagles) > From: "David J. Hickson" > Date: 1997/07/07 > Message-Id: <33C165BB.5F10@monmouth.com> > Newsgroups: rec.collecting.coins > [More Headers] > > I always understood that elogates would be equivalent to "defacing" a > coin, something that I thought was illegal. Imagine how tickled I was > to travel the PA turnpike recently and find hand-crank mills at the > turnpike authority rest stops for elongating pennies (for a donation of > an additional 50 cents, of course!) The machine allows the operator to > select one of four designs, including the L.P. My daughter loves 'em > and now I am starting to get a small accumulation of them... They > certainly look better with a pre-'82 cent for the fodder, though! > > David Hickson > Jackson, NJ > dhickson@monmouth.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Dixon Subject: (elongates) Disney World penny set Date: 08 Jul 1997 08:16:42 -0400 I looked at Big Al's web page. I guess he's charging $300 for a set. Does this seem high/extreme to other people? - Jeff ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com Software Engineer Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com 411 Waverley Oaks Road Waltham, MA 02154 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney World penny set Date: 08 Jul 1997 14:04:22 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-07-08 11:55:42 EDT, you write: > I looked at Big Al's web page. I guess he's charging $300 for a set. Does > this seem high/extreme to other people? > Guess it is what ever folks will pay. I prefer to just trade. But, if I could sell say ten sets........... :-) -Bob Hoff TEC # 2033 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Dixon Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney World penny set Date: 08 Jul 1997 14:08:06 -0400 Or sell a hundred... :^) At 02:04 PM 7/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-07-08 11:55:42 EDT, you write: > >> I looked at Big Al's web page. I guess he's charging $300 for a set. Does >> this seem high/extreme to other people? >> > >Guess it is what ever folks will pay. I prefer to just trade. But, if I >could sell say ten sets........... :-) > >-Bob Hoff >TEC # 2033 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com Software Engineer Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com 411 Waverley Oaks Road Waltham, MA 02154 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney World penny set Date: 08 Jul 1997 12:14:17 -0700 (PDT) On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote: > > I looked at Big Al's web page. I guess he's charging $300 for a set. Does > this seem high/extreme to other people? > > - Jeff $300 seems VERY high, unless it's perhaps a complete set since the coins were installed, and contains all of the limited run coins. How many coins are in the set? BTW, what's his URL? Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Dixon Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney World penny set Date: 08 Jul 1997 15:19:32 -0400 201 coins. Here's his URL: http://www.netcom.com/~ramsayal/disney.html - Jeff At 12:14 PM 7/8/97 -0700, you wrote: > >On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote: > >> >> I looked at Big Al's web page. I guess he's charging $300 for a set. Does >> this seem high/extreme to other people? >> >> - Jeff > > $300 seems VERY high, unless it's perhaps a complete set since >the coins were installed, and contains all of the limited run coins. How >many coins are in the set? > > BTW, what's his URL? > > Peace, > > Aahz > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist >The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 >List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) >"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com Software Engineer Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com 411 Waverley Oaks Road Waltham, MA 02154 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) Machine Locations (fwd) Date: 08 Jul 1997 12:20:28 -0700 (PDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Right next to the official Graceland gift shops are the unofficial tourist huts. There are 8 Elvis designs in one of the stores, for a whopping $1.00 each. Gotta love those royalty fees! Kathy, A little more info... Cedar Point theme park has Eurolink machines and is on Lake Erie in Sandusky, Ohio. Take the Ohio Turnpike (I-80) to Exit 7 and follow the signs north on U.S. Route 250, or take Exit 6A and follow Route 4 north. Once you reach Sandusky, just follow the signs. Bert ... wrote: > > Does anyone know of any coin machines in Cleveland, Ohio? Is there a machine at the Rock-n-Roll Museum? > What about Memphis, TN? Are there any Elvis coins? > Any at Niagara Falls near Buffalo, NY? > I've already checked out Willy's Hitchhikers Guide and Bert's Smashed Coin Locator. > Please let me know. I may be visiting these locations very soon. > Thanks! > ... > trueWeb Design > ... > http://www.truewebdesign.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Henry Subject: (elongates) New machine located in Minnesota Date: 08 Jul 1997 14:39:18 -0500 I just heard there is a new machine at Underwater World at the Mall of America. This is seperate from the Knott's Camp Snoopy set of 7. I will be going there in the next couple of days so if anyone is interested in a set from Underwater world or the 7 from the Mall of America, let me know. I do make all on pre82 pennies FYI. Janelle Henry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Dixon Subject: Re: (elongates) New machine located in Minnesota Date: 08 Jul 1997 15:47:15 -0400 Can you pick me up a set? - Jeff At 02:39 PM 7/8/97 -0500, you wrote: >I just heard there is a new machine at Underwater World at the Mall of >America. This is seperate from the Knott's Camp Snoopy set of 7. I >will be going there in the next couple of days so if anyone is >interested in a set from Underwater world or the 7 from the Mall of >America, let me know. I do make all on pre82 pennies FYI. > >Janelle Henry > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com Software Engineer Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com 411 Waverley Oaks Road Waltham, MA 02154 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) Big Al's Disney World set offer Date: 08 Jul 1997 12:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Okay, I just checked out Big Al's offer. Elsewhere on his page he mentions that all of the items he offers include a "minimal service charge" he's actually set up an entire page to explain this charge, but it comes down to a 20% surcharge on items in the parks, and no surcharge on items outside the park. There are 201 pennies offered in his set, at 51c each, this totals $102.51. Add the 20% surcharge it totals $121.02. Postage can't be more than $6, as I've received a couple seperate lots of 100 that were sent for $3 each. Obviously, collecting this set takes more effort then picking up a single souvenir, but I would also assume that he collects several sets at once, spreading this effort over several sales. My opinion: $200 is a more than fair price for this set. $300 seems extreme. I've sent a message to Al including all of the numbers and asking him to clarify the high price tag. If I hear back, I will forward his response to the list. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Dixon Subject: (elongates) Re: Disney World penny set Date: 08 Jul 1997 16:01:12 -0400 This is what he sent me as a response... - Jeff >From: "Big Al & Pooh Too!" >To: "Jeff Dixon" >Subject: Re: Disney World penny set >Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:24:53 -0400 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >Hi Jeff! > >Yes, If you want the entire set of pressed pennies, the cost is $300.00 >(which is cheaper than $3.00 per penny if you just collect a few of them). > >If you were to come to Orlando to collect these pennies your approximate >cost would be $102 for the pennies themselves, $217 for admission to all >the theme parks, water parks, attractions and hotels where the machines are >located, cost of a hotel stay, transportation costs, and about 1 to 2 days >of your own time to physically go from place to place collecting each >penny. > >It takes me about 2 full days to get each penny available, especially in >the summer when the parks are more crowded. Sometimes the machines are >moved to different locations than where they should be and I have to cover >every inch of the park to find it for my customer. > >Nobody else does this that I am aware of and I think $300.00 is a fair >price to pay if you're a serious collector of these pressed pennies. > >One more note, when the pennies are pressed through the machine, they are >completely flattened and imprinted with whatever character you desire. >There is no way to tell what year the penny was made (the date is not on >the penny) unless you know of a difference between pre-1982 pennies and new >pennies. Just curious... > >We would be happy to get the complete set for you if you want them, just >let us know.... > >Your Friend in the Parks, >Big Al > >http://www.netcom.com/~ramsayal/disney.html > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com Software Engineer Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com 411 Waverley Oaks Road Waltham, MA 02154 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) This is a test! Date: 08 Jul 1997 13:59:58 -0700 (PDT) A message got bounced today, and I'm not sure why, so I'm experimenting to see if this will get bounced as well. Please excuse the intrusion. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please add ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) Administrative note Date: 08 Jul 1997 14:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Greetings and Salutations! Okay, I just learned something new about Majordomo (the mailing list software) that I thought I should pass on to all of you. Bert Creighton sent a message to the list requesting to be added to the list of people that wanted Janelle's recently offered Minnesota set. Majordomo bounced the message to me because when Bert used the words "add*me" (without the asterick) the software thought he wanted to be added to the Mailing List. Thus no one but me got the message. I have since forwarded the message to Janelle, so you should be on her list now Bert 8-) The moral of the story: If possible, try to avoid using the words 'add' and 'me' directly after each other as the message will get bounced. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Disney World penny set Date: 08 Jul 1997 14:49:49 -0700 (PDT) On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote: > This is what he sent me as a response... > >Nobody else does this that I am aware of and I think $300.00 is a fair > >price to pay if you're a serious collector of these pressed pennies. This is, I suppose, the cruxt of the issue. If he's the exclusive supplier, he can charge whatever he wants. I am curious, however, how many sets he's sold at this price. > >One more note, when the pennies are pressed through the machine, they are > >completely flattened and imprinted with whatever character you desire. > >There is no way to tell what year the penny was made (the date is not on > >the penny) unless you know of a difference between pre-1982 pennies and new > >pennies. Just curious... I assume you informed him of the zinc content. If not, someone should. Even if his prices are overly inflated those who pay deserve to get a quality product. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ENTROPYM@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Disney World penny set Date: 08 Jul 1997 23:16:41 -0400 (EDT) You would think that a guy this much into pressed pennies would know the difference between pre-'82 and new pennies. Should we enlighten him? Mickey M In a message dated 7/9/97 8:26:56 AM , Big Al wrote: << >One more note, when the pennies are pressed through the machine, they are >completely flattened and imprinted with whatever character you desire. >There is no way to tell what year the penny was made (the date is not on >the penny) unless you know of a difference between pre-1982 pennies and new >pennies. Just curious... >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) Re: Disneyworld Pressed Pennies (fwd) Date: 08 Jul 1997 22:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Greetings & Salutations! Okay, for those of you interested in Big Al's Disney World set, here is the reply he sent me. It all makes pretty good sense to me. Bottom line: How many people here want to order these sets? We could pool money and bring the price way down! Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Hi Chris, Thanks for your message, I'm sorry if our fees are confusing but the service charge only applies to merchandise requested by Disney fans. If it is already on our web page with service fees, s&h included then that is the price we are charging. We have been on the internet providing our service since January of this year. Since then, this is the most interest we have had in the pressed pennies at Walt Disney World. We do NOT keep sets on hand just in case someone wants a set. When someone wants a set, we go out and get them at that time, so that answers your question about multiple sets and our price of $300 ($1.50 per penny). That does not mean that if you want 2 or 3 sets of pennies for yourself that we will charge you $300 for each set. In fact, any additional set ordered with the first set will only cost the price of the pennies or $102.50. (i.e., 3 sets of pennies = $505 or $.84 per penny). Basically our service fee for getting all 201 pennies is $197.50 which includes the shipping & handling too. The more sets you order at a time, the less cost per penny it will be! The 201 pennies include duplicate characters but made from different machines using different dies, hence, unique pennies. There are actually only 120 different characters (at last count) available. So if you didn't want the repeat characters, we would only charge $180 for the set. I hope this answers some of your questions and if we can be of service to you, please let us know... Your Friend in the Parks, Big Al http://www.netcom.com/~ramsayal/disney.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) Another possible machine location Date: 08 Jul 1997 22:54:13 -0700 (PDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- I saw another machine recently; I think it was inside the Liberty Science Center here in New Jersey near the Liberty Island and Ellis Island. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Dixon Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Disney World penny set Date: 09 Jul 1997 09:31:59 -0400 I did explain that if I was going to shell out $300 that it would have to be pre-1982. I explained the zinc content information. I agree -- if this guy had filled one order for 201 pennies, he would know the difference. - Jeff >You would think that a guy this much into pressed pennies would know the >difference between pre-'82 and new pennies. >Should we enlighten him? > >Mickey M > >In a message dated 7/9/97 8:26:56 AM , Big Al wrote: > ><< >One more note, when the pennies are pressed through the machine, they are > >completely flattened and imprinted with whatever character you desire. > >There is no way to tell what year the penny was made (the date is not on > >the penny) unless you know of a difference between pre-1982 pennies and new > >pennies. Just curious... >> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com Software Engineer Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com 411 Waverley Oaks Road Waltham, MA 02154 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Dixon Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Disneyworld Pressed Pennies (fwd) Date: 09 Jul 1997 09:39:55 -0400 A very interesting point. I would like to purchase a set -- but I don't want to spend $300. What do other people think? - Jeff At 10:25 PM 7/8/97 -0700, you wrote: >Greetings & Salutations! > > Okay, for those of you interested in Big Al's Disney World set, >here is the reply he sent me. It all makes pretty good sense to me. >Bottom line: How many people here want to order these sets? We could >pool money and bring the price way down! > > Peace, > > Aahz > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist >The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 >List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) >"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 23:49:28 -0400 >From: Big Al & Pooh Too! >To: Chris Aahz >Subject: Re: Disneyworld Pressed Pennies > >Hi Chris, > >Thanks for your message, I'm sorry if our fees are confusing but the >service charge only applies to merchandise requested by Disney fans. If it >is already on our web page with service fees, s&h included then that is the >price we are charging. > >We have been on the internet providing our service since January of this >year. Since then, this is the most interest we have had in the pressed >pennies at Walt Disney World. We do NOT keep sets on hand just in case >someone wants a set. When someone wants a set, we go out and get them at >that time, so that answers your question about multiple sets and our price >of $300 ($1.50 per penny). That does not mean that if you want 2 or 3 sets >of pennies for yourself that we will charge you $300 for each set. In >fact, any additional set ordered with the first set will only cost the >price of the pennies or $102.50. (i.e., 3 sets of pennies = $505 or $.84 >per penny). Basically our service fee for getting all 201 pennies is >$197.50 which includes the shipping & handling too. The more sets you >order at a time, the less cost per penny it will be! > >The 201 pennies include duplicate characters but made from different >machines using different dies, hence, unique pennies. There are actually >only 120 different characters (at last count) available. So if you didn't >want the repeat characters, we would only charge $180 for the set. > >I hope this answers some of your questions and if we can be of service to >you, please let us know... > >Your Friend in the Parks, >Big Al > >http://www.netcom.com/~ramsayal/disney.html > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com Software Engineer Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com 411 Waverley Oaks Road Waltham, MA 02154 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Henry Subject: (elongates) WDW Pennies Date: 09 Jul 1997 08:57:18 -0500 Lets try to get a large order for these. If 10 of us order them the total cost could get down to as low as $122.25 (102.50 for the set and $19.75 or 1/10 the $197.50 shipping and handling charge). Sounds better all the time. Put me down for a set. Janelle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dresd85854@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Disney World penny set Date: 09 Jul 1997 11:06:59 -0400 (EDT) I have been getting a lot of postings regarding the WDW pennies and whether or not they are pre-82. I am a newbie. What's the significance? Thanks, Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Dixon Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Disney World penny set Date: 09 Jul 1997 11:14:22 -0400 Hi Mark, 1982 and newer pennies contain a large amount of zinc. As a result, it leaves a "silver sheen" across the penny. On some penny presses, I haven't been able to tell the difference. But, most of the time it's pretty easy to tell. This "silver sheen" degrades from the look of the penny. It also makes smaller details harder to see. At first I thought it was a bit silly, but after pressing two pennies in a machine I saw the difference immediately. Try one of each next time you're at a machine. :) - Jeff P.S. Do you want to trade? I have pennies from the Boston area. *shameless trade plug* At 11:06 AM 7/9/97 -0400, you wrote: >I have been getting a lot of postings regarding the WDW pennies and whether >or not they are pre-82. I am a newbie. What's the significance? >Thanks, >Mark > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com Software Engineer Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com 411 Waverley Oaks Road Waltham, MA 02154 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne D. Michael" Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Disney World penny set Date: 09 Jul 1997 09:29:01 -0700 Jeff Dixon wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > 1982 and newer pennies contain a large amount of zinc. As a result, it > leaves a "silver sheen" across the penny. > On some penny presses, I haven't been able to tell the difference. But, > most of the time it's pretty easy to tell. > > This "silver sheen" degrades from the look of the penny. It also makes > smaller details harder to see. > Even worse, that silver sheen you see will quickly turn an ugly black. How fast this happens depends on your climate. It could take a few months to a few years. -- Wayne Michael Boeing North American wayne.d.michael@boeing.com 3370 Miraloma Ave. (714) 762-8540 FAX 762-0528 Anaheim, CA M.C. DC28 Dept. 266 92803 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne D. Michael" Subject: Re: (elongates) questions about enlongated coins from Disney Land Date: 09 Jul 1997 09:46:05 -0700 Hi, I just wanted to give everyone an update, and to thank people for the pointers to the Disneyland Pressed Penny guides. I was going to try and update the list of the D.L. machine locations, but David Tomita already has done an excellent job of this at: http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/3599/ (He says his site is not ready for prime time yet, but it is already ten times better than any list I would have made.) I spent the last couple Friday evenings pushing my son's stroller around pressing pennys (and nickels and quarters), while my wife and daughter went on the rides. These pressing machines are quite popular, and I frequently had to wait in line to get to the machine I needed. I can understand why "Big Al" has to charge so much for his Disney World set. (BTW. I would love to have one of his Disney World sets, but my coin buying budget is far too limited to allow for it...) We make regular trips to D.L. , so if someone wants to arrange for a trade, please contact me privately. I am extremely interested in the limited edition or seasonal pressed coins from Disneyland. -- Wayne Michael Boeing North American wayne.d.michael@boeing.com 3370 Miraloma Ave. (714) 762-8540 FAX 762-0528 Anaheim, CA M.C. DC28 Dept. 266 92803 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies Date: 09 Jul 1997 09:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Okay, we've got three people lined up for the Disney World sets right now. I'd like to get at least another three sets in the order to help bring the price down. I know we've got some serious Disney fans on the list. I'm also contacting a couple of people off-list. Let's use the power of collective bargaining and get some financial savings as well as information from the list! I'm about 99% positive that when we order multiple sets at one time, Big Al will probably find a way to get us all copper pennies. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) questions about enlongated coins from Disney Land Date: 09 Jul 1997 09:57:22 -0700 (PDT) On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Wayne D. Michael wrote: > but David Tomita already has done an excellent job of this at: > > http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/3599/ > > (He says his site is not ready for prime time yet, but it is already ten > times better than any list I would have made. This is great! The last update was iover a year ago. > > These pressing machines are quite popular, and I frequently had to wait > in line to get to the machine I needed. I can understand why "Big Al" > has to charge so much for his Disney World set. My largest problem was that he didn't need to do that labor for EVERY set. But this has been addressed, and that's why I'm not arguing with the multiple set prices. Heck, I said I figured $200 was a fair price, and we'll be getting them for less. > (BTW. I would love to > have one of his Disney World sets, but my coin buying budget is far too > limited to allow for it...) > As you've read, the more people we sign up, the less they're going to cost. If we get six (which I think is very doable), the price is only 135.42. For 200 different specific elongates, this is a pretty good price. > > We make regular trips to D.L. , so if someone wants to arrange > for a trade, please contact me privately. I am extremely interested in > the limited edition or seasonal pressed coins from Disneyland. I've been hunting pretty hard for the Limited Edition DL issues. If you find some somewhere, please let me know, and I'll do the same. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies Date: 09 Jul 1997 10:48:23 -0700 Greetings Everyone, I'm a big Disney fan and will join in for a set of coins from Big Al. One thought... at Disneyland I use 1996 (new shiny) pennies and get great results on most of the Eurolink machines. There are a couple of older designs (such as the one in the Main Street RR Station) that do show the zinc smearing, but most of them work great with 96 coins. Eurolink also supplies machines to WDW and I would guess many of them will look good on new coins. If we all are paying the money, we want to get the best results. Assuming the WDW machines work as well as Disneyland machines, I'd be happy to get newer pennies (and pre-82's for any machines that show smearing)... We'll probably need to keep this simple... What do you all think... One last note... A power outage knocked out the machine my Smashed Coin Locator site is on (4th of July through Monday morning). It is back up and running now. Thanks to those of you that alerted me to the outage and for your being patient. 8-) Bert Creighton On 7/9/97 9:47 AM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote > > Okay, we've got three people lined up for the Disney World sets >right now. I'd like to get at least another three sets in the order to >help bring the price down. I know we've got some serious Disney fans on >the list. I'm also contacting a couple of people off-list. Let's use >the power of collective bargaining and get some financial savings as well >as information from the list! I'm about 99% positive that when we order >multiple sets at one time, Big Al will probably find a way to get us all >copper pennies. > > Peace, > > Aahz > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist >The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 >List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) >"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com Subject: (elongates) Elongate Paint? Date: 09 Jul 1997 13:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Hi; I have noticed that some of the pros use a die or paint of some kind to "tint" the obverse of the coins that they use to make EC's. After the coin has been elongated, the "flat side" shows the image of the original coin and the date because of the "tinting". Could you share with me / us the way in which this is done, and where the "paint" can be purchased? Of course, I'd like to hear from readers what they think of this technique? Is it a plus in your opinion? Thanks, -Bob Hoff TEC # 2033 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Dixon Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies Date: 09 Jul 1997 13:45:07 -0400 What if we all supply pre-82 pennies? That way we're guaranteed to not have any smearing. Big Al told me he'd knock money off if I supplied my own pennies. - Jeff At 10:48 AM 7/9/97 -0700, you wrote: >Greetings Everyone, > >I'm a big Disney fan and will join in for a set of coins from Big Al. > >One thought... at Disneyland I use 1996 (new shiny) pennies and get great >results on most of the Eurolink machines. There are a couple of older >designs (such as the one in the Main Street RR Station) that do show the >zinc smearing, but most of them work great with 96 coins. Eurolink also >supplies machines to WDW and I would guess many of them will look good on >new coins. If we all are paying the money, we want to get the best >results. Assuming the WDW machines work as well as Disneyland machines, >I'd be happy to get newer pennies (and pre-82's for any machines that >show smearing)... We'll probably need to keep this simple... What do you >all think... > >One last note... A power outage knocked out the machine my Smashed Coin >Locator site is on (4th of July through Monday morning). It is back up >and running now. Thanks to those of you that alerted me to the outage and >for your being patient. 8-) > >Bert Creighton >> > >On 7/9/97 9:47 AM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote > >> >> Okay, we've got three people lined up for the Disney World sets >>right now. I'd like to get at least another three sets in the order to >>help bring the price down. I know we've got some serious Disney fans on >>the list. I'm also contacting a couple of people off-list. Let's use >>the power of collective bargaining and get some financial savings as well >>as information from the list! I'm about 99% positive that when we order >>multiple sets at one time, Big Al will probably find a way to get us all >>copper pennies. >> >> Peace, >> >> Aahz >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist >>The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 >>List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) >>"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com Software Engineer Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com 411 Waverley Oaks Road Waltham, MA 02154 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Dixon Subject: Re: (elongates) Elongate Paint? Date: 09 Jul 1997 14:00:21 -0400 Depending on the design, it might detract from the detail of the penny. For example, the Penguin penny at the Boston Aquarium takes up most of the penny "face." I think it would cut into the design's detail to have the year remain. - Jeff At 01:46 PM 7/9/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi; > >I have noticed that some of the pros use a die or paint of some kind to >"tint" the obverse of the coins that they use to make EC's. After the coin >has been elongated, the "flat side" shows the image of the original coin and >the date because of the "tinting". Could you share with me / us the way in >which this is done, and where the "paint" can be purchased? Of course, I'd >like to hear from readers what they think of this technique? Is it a plus in >your opinion? > >Thanks, >-Bob Hoff >TEC # 2033 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com Software Engineer Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com 411 Waverley Oaks Road Waltham, MA 02154 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies Date: 09 Jul 1997 17:23:41 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-07-09 16:10:59 EDT, you write: > Lets try to get a large order for these. If 10 of us order them the > total cost could get down to as low as $122.25 (102.50 for the set and > $19.75 or 1/10 the $197.50 shipping and handling charge). Sounds better > all the time. Put me down for a set. > > Janelle > > I'd bite at $125.00 +/- on pre '82's would even go for the quarters and nickels if he has 'um. Even if I was "on property", I'd pay that. Man, what a job (unless you are rolling a pile of them at one time). -Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William C. Massey" Subject: (elongates) Mickey Mouse Elongated Coins Date: 09 Jul 1997 17:59:19 -0700 Hey Gang! There sure is a lot of Disney talk going around... If anyone is interested, I still have a few dozen elongated cents, nickels, and quarters that commemorate Mickey's 60th Birthday (from 1988). Cents @ .50 ea. Nickels @ .75 ea Quarters @ 1.00 ea ------------------ all three @ $2.00 Please include a Self Addressed STAMPED Envelope with any order, and mail to: William C. Massey P.O. Box 1511, Beltsville, MD 20705 -- Elongatedly Yours, William C. Massey TEC #1857 ******************************************** P.S. Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William C. Massey" Subject: Re: (elongates) Elongate Paint? Date: 09 Jul 1997 18:15:42 -0700 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote: > > Hi; > > I have noticed that some of the pros use a die or paint of some kind to > "tint" the obverse of the coins that they use to make EC's. After the coin > has been elongated, the "flat side" shows the image of the original coin and > the date because of the "tinting". Could you share with me / us the way in > which this is done, and where the "paint" can be purchased? Of course, I'd > like to hear from readers what they think of this technique? Is it a plus in > your opinion? Perhaps I can shed a bit of light on this topic :) The late, great, Frank Brazzell taught me this technique in the summer of '94! To produce an elongated with a shiny obverse, and a reverse that retains the original coin's design: spray the shiny coins (on one side) with "Deft" brand wood stain, and allow to dry. He liked to use Spanish Walnut 621, or Fruitwood 641 to do the job. This type of Stain can be purchased at most quality hardware stores. The problem with this is that it is very difficult, if not impossible, to tell which side of the coin will be the Obverse or Reverse of the finished elongated when rolling with one of the "vending" type of machines. Another possibility (for retaining a good image on the reverse of the elongated) is to use an old, brown, copper (pre-'82) cent and then use a pencil eraser to clean the Obverse -- Ray Dillard told me about this method. Happy Rolling! -- Elongatedly Yours, William C. Massey TEC #1857 ******************************************** P.S. Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Henry Subject: (elongates) WDW Pennies Date: 09 Jul 1997 21:15:54 -0500 I will supply my pre82 pennies as well to Al. Now, a couple of questions. Who wants to coordinate all this? Is any one even going to dare tell him about putting the image side on the Lincoln side (yea right! Who wants that job!!!) and who wants to be the "Big Al" of California now?? One set from Florida deserves a matching set from California don't you think?!! Come on, someone out there volunteer for this job. Think how strong your arms would be if they are the type you have to roll yourself. Really would like that full set also. Janelle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary C. and Ben L." Subject: (elongates) Steel... Date: 09 Jul 1997 23:58:03 -0400 Hi all. Just to add to Chris Aahz post awhile ago... Tried 1943 steel cents in two machines in NH this past weekend; Mt. Washington Auto Rd. and Conway Scenic Railroad. One was hand-cranked and the other was automatic. Both came out fine. I noticed no difference in the way the machines operated on steel or copper (pre '82) pennies. I think the images are just a bit clearer on steel. BTW, I have a couple of each on steel to trade... e-mail me if interested. Ben Lavine mcsquare@erols.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) Steel... Date: 09 Jul 1997 22:24:32 -0700 (PDT) On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Mary C. and Ben L. wrote: > Tried 1943 steel cents in two machines in NH this past weekend; Mt. > Washington Auto Rd. and Conway Scenic Railroad. One was hand-cranked > and the other was automatic. Both came out fine. I noticed no Ben, Did you happen to notice what company supplied the automatic machine? Most newer Eurolink machines have a 'e' in the border either on the top or at the left end. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies Date: 09 Jul 1997 22:32:39 -0700 (PDT) On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote: > I'm a big Disney fan and will join in for a set of coins from Big Al. That's four! We're down to $151.88 and dropping! > > One thought... at Disneyland I use 1996 (new shiny) pennies and get great > results on most of the Eurolink machines. I have seen it reported (although not confirmed myself, that the zinc will begin to blacken with time. The longest I hav had any zinc elongates is about 18 months and I haven't seen it happen yet, but someone said that somewhere. > new coins. If we all are paying the money, we want to get the best > results. Assuming the WDW machines work as well as Disneyland machines, > I'd be happy to get newer pennies (and pre-82's for any machines that > show smearing)... We'll probably need to keep this simple... What do you > all think... The key point is that we need to keep it simple. Big Al is not an elongate collector (yet!), but a businessman. We need to try not to overwhelm him with details, especially with the possibility of lines at machines. I believe the majority would like pre-'82 pennies so that no chances are taken. I have several rolls of BU pre-'82s that are basically just as shiny as current coinage. I can probably get more as they're readily available at coin shows and sometimes shops for just a couple bucks each. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies Date: 09 Jul 1997 22:35:02 -0700 (PDT) On Wed, 9 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote: > I'd bite at $125.00 +/- on pre '82's would even go for the quarters and > nickels if he has 'um. Even if I was "on property", I'd pay that. Man, what > a job (unless you are rolling a pile of them at one time). Well, if we count Bob in, we're down to $142. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) Elongate Paint? Date: 09 Jul 1997 22:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Bob, Thank you for asking this question. It has been on my mind as of late as well. Willy, Thanx for your answer! Personally, I think Frank Brazzell rolled the best looking coins I've seen, both front and back! I will be making a trip to the local hardware store in the near future. Jeff, Typically, only the side of the coin that will not be imprinted is coated. The obverse comes out with little remains of the penny and the reverse comes out with a perfect image. Someone addressed the question of which side gets the design on automated machines. Each machine is internally consistent. So, roll a test (non-coated) coin for your trade stock, making note of orientation and then you know for that machine! Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies Date: 09 Jul 1997 23:05:29 -0700 (PDT) On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, James Henry wrote: > I will supply my pre82 pennies as well to Al. Jeff mentioned that Big Al would lower the price if pennies are supplied. I assume the drop in expense would be $2.01 per set as this is actual cost. This deal just keeps getting better! > Now, a couple of > questions. Who wants to coordinate all this? Well, Jeff introduced the topic, but I'm not going to volunteer him, he can do that himself if he's interested. I would be willing to do it if he is not. Most of you have traded with me in the past, so that's gotta be some kind of personal reference. I would be willing to locate pre-82 coins for anyone not able to supply their own as well. I think the best way to handle it is to send Big Al one cashiers check (as it will obviously be large) and enough pre '82 pennies to roll them all, then have him mail them all to one address. Then I (or whomever coordinates this) would distribute the sets. Just my opinion, others are welcome. > Is any one even going to > dare tell him about putting the image side on the Lincoln side (yea > right! Who wants that job!!!) This is probably too much to ask. > and who wants to be the "Big Al" of > California now?? One set from Florida deserves a matching set from > California don't you think?!! Come on, someone out there volunteer for > this job. Think how strong your arms would be if they are the type you > have to roll yourself. Really would like that full set also. Well, I know we have at least one subscriber that lives in the area, but I'm not naming names, they know who they are and will volunteer if they feel up to it. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William C. Massey" Subject: Re: (elongates) Elongate Paint? Date: 10 Jul 1997 02:20:57 -0700 Chris Aahz wrote: > > Someone addressed the question of which side gets the design on > automated machines. Each machine is internally consistent. So, roll a > test (non-coated) coin for your trade stock, making note of orientation > and then you know for that machine! > Please Note: The above information is NOT always true! Perhaps it is for Eurolink machines (I really don't know, firt hand), however, I have seen other makes of machines where the coin drops onto a slide, and is then pushed horizontaly between the rollers. On this type of machine, the coin bounces onto the slide in an inconsistant fashion. You know me, always throwing my "two cents worts" in! --Willy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) Elongate Paint? Date: 09 Jul 1997 23:29:27 -0700 (PDT) On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote: > Chris Aahz wrote: > > > > Someone addressed the question of which side gets the design on > > automated machines. Each machine is internally consistent. So, roll a > > test (non-coated) coin for your trade stock, making note of orientation > > and then you know for that machine! > > > > Please Note: > The above information is NOT always true! Perhaps it is for Eurolink > machines (I really don't know, firt hand), however, I have seen other > makes of machines where the coin drops onto a slide, and is then pushed > horizontaly between the rollers. On this type of machine, the coin > bounces onto the slide in an inconsistant fashion. I stand (sit? type? glow?) corrected. My experience is with Eurolink and San Francisco Penny Machine Company machines and have found them to be internally consistent. I should have clarified this in my previous post. Thanx for the warning Willy! > > You know me, always throwing my "two cents worts" in! > And what long cents they are 8-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Dixon Subject: (elongates) Steel vs copper Date: 10 Jul 1997 08:17:10 -0400 How much are steel pennies versus copper? It sounds like a fun idea to press some pennies with steel. - Jeff ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com Software Engineer Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com 411 Waverley Oaks Road Waltham, MA 02154 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary C. and Ben L." Subject: Re: (elongates) Steel... Date: 10 Jul 1997 08:44:18 -0400 Chris Aahz wrote: > > On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Mary C. and Ben L. wrote: > > > Tried 1943 steel cents in two machines in NH this past weekend; Mt. > > Washington Auto Rd. and Conway Scenic Railroad. One was hand-cranked > > and the other was automatic. Both came out fine. I noticed no > > Ben, > > Did you happen to notice what company supplied the automatic > machine? Most newer Eurolink machines have a 'e' in the border either on > the top or at the left end. > > Peace, > > Aahz > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist > The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 > List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) > "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Chris, Not sure but I'll check. Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Dixon Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies Date: 10 Jul 1997 08:50:13 -0400 At 09:15 PM 7/9/97 -0500, you wrote: >I will supply my pre82 pennies as well to Al. Now, a couple of >questions. Who wants to coordinate all this? [snip] Sure! I'm crazy. I'm willing to coordinate the great "Big Al WDW penny fest." We currently have 5 people, right? Before anyone sends me anything - send me e-mail. Thanks, - Jeff Address: Jeff Dixon 422 Mystic Ave #404 Somerville, MA 02145 jeffd@kurzweil.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com Software Engineer Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com 411 Waverley Oaks Road Waltham, MA 02154 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary C. and Ben L." Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies Date: 10 Jul 1997 08:51:06 -0400 Chris Aahz wrote: > > On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote: > > > I'm a big Disney fan and will join in for a set of coins from Big Al. > > That's four! We're down to $151.88 and dropping! > > > > One thought... at Disneyland I use 1996 (new shiny) pennies and get great > > results on most of the Eurolink machines. > > I have seen it reported (although not confirmed myself, that the > zinc will begin to blacken with time. The longest I hav had any zinc > elongates is about 18 months and I haven't seen it happen yet, but > someone said that somewhere. > > > new coins. If we all are paying the money, we want to get the best > > results. Assuming the WDW machines work as well as Disneyland machines, > > I'd be happy to get newer pennies (and pre-82's for any machines that > > show smearing)... We'll probably need to keep this simple... What do you > > all think... > > The key point is that we need to keep it simple. Big Al is not > an elongate collector (yet!), but a businessman. We need to try not to > overwhelm him with details, especially with the possibility of lines at > machines. I believe the majority would like pre-'82 pennies so that no > chances are taken. I have several rolls of BU pre-'82s that are > basically just as shiny as current coinage. I can probably get more as > they're readily available at coin shows and sometimes shops for just a > couple bucks each. > > Peace, > > Aahz > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist > The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 > List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) > "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Has anyone ever tried spraying the elongated coin with acrylic or some such? Should keep ANY coin from tarnishing as sprayed-on plastic will deny the metal any exposure to air which is neccesary for the chemical reaction. BTW climate will play a BIG role in tarnishing of both zinc and copper. (And steel.) Regards... Ben Lavine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary C. and Ben L." Subject: Re: (elongates) Steel... Date: 10 Jul 1997 08:56:04 -0400 Chris Aahz wrote: > > On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Mary C. and Ben L. wrote: > > > Tried 1943 steel cents in two machines in NH this past weekend; Mt. > > Washington Auto Rd. and Conway Scenic Railroad. One was hand-cranked > > and the other was automatic. Both came out fine. I noticed no > > Ben, > > Did you happen to notice what company supplied the automatic > machine? Most newer Eurolink machines have a 'e' in the border either on > the top or at the left end. > > Peace, > > Aahz > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist > The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 > List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) > "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hey Chris; I have seen only pictures of the newer Eurolink machines. The machine at the Conway Scenic Railroad seems to be an older machine. You will probably be able to tell more from the coin than I can as I am a relative newbie-neophyte to the details of elongated coins. Give me a little time to peruse your trade list. I will hold one of each for you. C-U Ben Lavine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary C. and Ben L." Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies Date: 10 Jul 1997 09:10:21 -0400 Chris Aahz wrote: > > On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote: > > > I'm a big Disney fan and will join in for a set of coins from Big Al. > > That's four! We're down to $151.88 and dropping! > > > > One thought... at Disneyland I use 1996 (new shiny) pennies and get great > > results on most of the Eurolink machines. > > I have seen it reported (although not confirmed myself, that the > zinc will begin to blacken with time. The longest I hav had any zinc > elongates is about 18 months and I haven't seen it happen yet, but > someone said that somewhere. > > > new coins. If we all are paying the money, we want to get the best > > results. Assuming the WDW machines work as well as Disneyland machines, > > I'd be happy to get newer pennies (and pre-82's for any machines that > > show smearing)... We'll probably need to keep this simple... What do you > > all think... > > The key point is that we need to keep it simple. Big Al is not > an elongate collector (yet!), but a businessman. We need to try not to > overwhelm him with details, especially with the possibility of lines at > machines. I believe the majority would like pre-'82 pennies so that no > chances are taken. I have several rolls of BU pre-'82s that are > basically just as shiny as current coinage. I can probably get more as > they're readily available at coin shows and sometimes shops for just a > couple bucks each. > > Peace, > > Aahz > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist > The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 > List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) > "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi all... For my two cents worth (Pun absolutely intended) I think you should fill in Big Al about the pre-'82 pennies. Ask him to check on the availablity of BU pre-'82 rolled pennies. Not that I'm 'Joe-Florida' but every time I've been there I've seen dozens of coin shops. As stated, Big Al's a business guy and he can apparently hold his own with a computer. So give him a chance. Also, a thought on the quantity discount idea: How many complete sets of these would turn efficiency into a logistical nightmare? 10 sets is over 1,000 pennies... I ordered a pair of elongated quarters from Big Al. I'll post to the list when they arrive... Hey, has anyone ever tried silver quarters? I've never even SEEN a quarter press or I'd try it myself... Silver quarters in poor condition still polish up pretty nicely! Later... Ben Lavine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) Elongate Paint? Date: 10 Jul 1997 10:08:46 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-07-10 02:42:44 EDT, you write: > Perhaps I can shed a bit of light on this topic :) > The late, great, Frank Brazzell taught me this technique in the summer > of '94! > To produce an elongated with a shiny obverse, and a reverse that retains > the original coin's design: spray the shiny coins (on one side) with > "Deft" brand wood stain, and allow to dry. He liked to use Spanish > Walnut 621, or Fruitwood 641 to do the job. This type of Stain can be > purchased at most quality hardware stores. > > The problem with this is that it is very difficult, if not impossible, > to tell which side of the coin will be the Obverse or Reverse of the > finished elongated when rolling with one of the "vending" type of > machines. > > Another possibility (for retaining a good image on the reverse of the > elongated) is to use an old, brown, copper (pre-'82) cent and then use > a pencil eraser to clean the Obverse -- Ray Dillard told me about this > method. > > Happy Rolling! > > -- > Elongatedly Yours, > > William C. Massey > TEC #1857 > Thank you William! I'm on the way to the hardware store! -Bob Hoff TEC # 2033 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies Date: 10 Jul 1997 10:08:53 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-07-10 03:30:36 EDT, you write: > I will supply my pre82 pennies as well to Al. Now, a couple of > questions. Who wants to coordinate all this? Is any one even going to > dare tell him about putting the image side on the Lincoln side (yea > right! Who wants that job!!!) and who wants to be the "Big Al" of > California now?? One set from Florida deserves a matching set from > California don't you think?!! Come on, someone out there volunteer for > this job. Think how strong your arms would be if they are the type you > have to roll yourself. Really would like that full set also. > > Janelle > > Hi Janelle! Hmmmmm I'm looking around my office for a volunteer as we speak. :-) Problem at Disneyland as I see it is that the set is a "moving target", they switch machines and add them often. Someone that wants a "complete set" may be unhappy when they see one they don't have. I'll be away from the PC and e-mail for a while, but, will get back to all. Happy Collecting, -Bob Hoff TEC #2033 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies Date: 10 Jul 1997 08:11:04 -0700 Greetings, Keeping it simple for Big is important, I'm all for the pre-82's and will work on rounding up as many as possible. COME ON the rest of you, this is a great opportunity to get a full set of great Eurolink designs! Tell your friends that are not on this list... THANKS to Jeff Dixon for putting this info up on Kathy's Bulletin Board! Great idea! (Note: Kathy has a message on the BBoard saying her email is having some problems... I'm having some trouble getting updates to my web site as well... bc) One more idea, tell your Disney friends about the full WDW set, even if they are not now coin collectors. There are lots of Disney sites on the web! Let's get a few more WDW orders! Bert On 7/9/97 10:32 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote > >On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote: > >> I'm a big Disney fan and will join in for a set of coins from Big Al. > > That's four! We're down to $151.88 and dropping! >> >> One thought... at Disneyland I use 1996 (new shiny) pennies and get great >> results on most of the Eurolink machines. > > I have seen it reported (although not confirmed myself, that the >zinc will begin to blacken with time. The longest I hav had any zinc >elongates is about 18 months and I haven't seen it happen yet, but >someone said that somewhere. > > >> new coins. If we all are paying the money, we want to get the best >> results. Assuming the WDW machines work as well as Disneyland machines, >> I'd be happy to get newer pennies (and pre-82's for any machines that >> show smearing)... We'll probably need to keep this simple... What do you >> all think... > > The key point is that we need to keep it simple. Big Al is not >an elongate collector (yet!), but a businessman. We need to try not to >overwhelm him with details, especially with the possibility of lines at >machines. I believe the majority would like pre-'82 pennies so that no >chances are taken. I have several rolls of BU pre-'82s that are >basically just as shiny as current coinage. I can probably get more as >they're readily available at coin shows and sometimes shops for just a >couple bucks each. > > Peace, > > Aahz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: (elongates) Southern CA "Big Al" + Possible Disney Meeting... Date: 10 Jul 1997 08:19:50 -0700 Greetings Everyone! On Kathy's BBoard I signed up to roll coins in Southern California (San Diego, Disneyland...) and in Hawaii (if you can wait a month or 2 in between trips). I know there are others on this list that visit Disneyland on a regular basis... Are you interested in a join collecting trip someday this summer or perhaps after school starts again. It would be fun to meet other collectors in person and trade some stories as well as pennies (and other coins). You can check the Smashed Coin Locator at: < http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html> More updates including a new WDW page and lots more Hawaii locations will be posted to my site this week. Bert On 7/9/97 11:05 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote >> and who wants to be the "Big Al" of >> California now?? One set from Florida deserves a matching set from >> California don't you think?!! Come on, someone out there volunteer for >> this job. Think how strong your arms would be if they are the type you >> have to roll yourself. Really would like that full set also. > > Well, I know we have at least one subscriber that lives in the >area, but I'm not naming names, they know who they are and will volunteer >if they feel up to it. > > Peace, > > Aahz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: (elongates) "Steelies" The Real Story Date: 10 Jul 1997 08:57:40 -0700 Greetings Once Again! I have a friend that knows Eurolink machines! Here's the inside scoop on steelies and Eurolink machines (this does not apply to all pressing machines, so please use care and caution... These machines are someone's business/income!!!) On steelies, my friend says: >...but steel pennies don't phase Eurolink machines. Eurolink dies >are exceptionally hard so no problem. One caveat however; for a few years >Eurolink had magnetic traps on the coin input system to trap super hard ferrous coins. >This would grab any ferrous coins before they entered the press so the >"guest" would not get the pressed penny in this instance. Adding traps was done mainly because the new Canadian pennies have a ferrous content and it seems lots of Canadian pennies were going into Eurolink machines -- this doesn't cause a problem to the press but makes a badly sized pressed penny. Well, if enough of these pennies were "grabbed" it eventually blocked the coin input. So off came the traps -- on most machines. There still could be a few machines out there with these magnet traps. I saw a non-Eurolink machine in Hawaii last week that had a magnet trap. So you really need to look and see if there's a magnet trap before inserting your steelies. [ Anyone have 201 steelies they can sell me? 8-) ] If you 'steel' have questions, let me know. Bert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: (elongates) Silver Quarters Date: 10 Jul 1997 09:09:44 -0700 Ah, great minds think alike! On the subject of silver quarters... I have tried them on Eurolink machines and I got some amazing results. Easily my favorite coins in my small collection. Use a good silver polish BEFORE pressing (smmashing, rolling, elongating...) and you'll get the best results. As with all coins, you should consult a coin pricing guide or coin shop. I have found many bookstores carrying paperback (and hard cover) books on coin prices. Be sure you are not smashing something of real numismatic value. So silver does work and has a wonderful finish (from the Eurolink's I have tried). I am looking for all the locations of Quarter machines (and all pressing machines) to add to my Smashed Coin Locator pages (shameless plug). Thanks to everyone that has sent locations, I hope the 'Locator' is of use in planning your collecting trips... Bert Creighton Smashed Coin Locator http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies Date: 10 Jul 1997 09:38:16 -0700 (PDT) On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote: > Sure! I'm crazy. I'm willing to coordinate the great "Big Al WDW penny > fest." > We currently have 5 people, right? Wonderful! By my count we have 4 and a maybe: Jeff, Janelle, Chris, Bert, and (maybe) Bob. It seems like we've got a few more questions for Big Al: 1) Would he prefer to ship to one address or to each (your preference obviously relevant here also, Jeff) 2) Would he be willing/able to find a coin shop to get some BU coppers for us 3) Price variations based on these two issues. If Big Al ships 'em all to Jeff, we each need to reimburse Jeff for postage to us. Not a problem, just something we all need to be aware of. 4) Hmmm...I could of sworn there was a four..... Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies Date: 10 Jul 1997 09:45:07 -0700 (PDT) On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote: > THANKS to Jeff Dixon for putting this info up on Kathy's Bulletin Board! > Great idea! Jeff's really on the ball here. Huzzah! > > (Note: Kathy has a message on the BBoard saying her email is having some > problems... I'm having some trouble getting updates to my web site as > well... bc) > Yes, list messages to Kathy have been bouncing back since sometime last week. I have no other way to contact her (other than snail mail) so have just been waiting things out. I have saved a couple of messages from the list that I think may be of interest to her, (including submissions for her FAQ), but am unable to save them all. Since she can post to her Message Borad and did so after Jeff's posting regarding WDW I assume she knows about it. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland Date: 10 Jul 1997 09:54:11 -0700 (PDT) On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote: > I know there are others on this list that visit Disneyland on a regular > basis... Are you interested in a join collecting trip someday this summer > or perhaps after school starts again. It would be fun to meet other > collectors in person and trade some stories as well as pennies (and other > coins). Now THIS is great idea! We can have the first ever Elongated Coin Mailing List Meet, Trade session, and Collection trip! I would LOVE to put faces to some of these names. I'm in Northern California, so could probably drive down for the weekend (How much is DL admission these days?) How many people would be interested/able to make a trip to Disneyland? Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Vio