From: CWFIII@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: (elongates) Disney Coins Date: 01 Aug 1997 03:25:07 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 31 Jul 1997 Aahz wrote: > I'm sorry, I misunderstand this question in your previous post. >What design/words are on the coins? You said they were a 1995 set. Is >this based on the date of the coin or is the date in the design? the only writing on the coins (three quarters, three pennies) was 1995 on the bottom of each and the word "Disneyana" on the top all are vertical coins w/ various Disney characters. Carl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CWFIII@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyana Question Date: 01 Aug 1997 03:40:48 -0400 (EDT) >If our coins are starting to show up at Disneyana conventions... then I >better get my pre-82's and head out the door! I can tell you that the cooperation that I've seen with the getting of coins and the free trading that goes on here doesn't exist in a lot of the Disney circles that I've seen and that what few elongates that are being sold are Disneyana first and elongates second and that means $. Carl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyana Question Date: 01 Aug 1997 00:53:23 -0700 Carl, Thanks for this information! I recently got some nice Mickey 60th Birthday coins from Willy Massey. I also was very fortunate to have a trade recently for a few Disneyana 1995 coins. I will have to go back and look at them and see if these are the same ones you have. We are in final review mode on the Disneyland First Mtg of this Mailing List Invite. Should be ready to post tomorrow... Stay tuned! Thanks again! Bert On 8/1/97 12:40 AM CWFIII@aol.com (CWFIII@aol.com ) wrote >>If our coins are starting to show up at Disneyana conventions... then I >>better get my pre-82's and head out the door! > > >I can tell you that the cooperation that I've seen with the getting of coins >and the free trading that goes on here doesn't exist in a lot of the Disney >circles that I've seen and that what few elongates that are being sold are >Disneyana first and elongates second and that means $. > > >Carl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: (elongates) Location Keeper Update Date: 01 Aug 1997 01:03:12 -0700 Greetings, I have added a new page for Ohio (where there are Eurolink machines at SeaWorld Of Ohio). The new Ohio page is at: http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/ohio.html The Texas page and San Francisco pages were also updated tonight. http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/texas.html http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/san_francisco.html Bert Location Keeper ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: (elongates) Yet Another Location Update Date: 01 Aug 1997 02:13:07 -0700 Just added to the Smashed Coin Locator site: Mt Rushmore penny from a WalMary near Mt Rushmore. http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/south_dakota.html bc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: (elongates) Boston Coin Update Date: 01 Aug 1997 03:15:26 -0700 Greetings, I have added the Stone Zoo and Franklin Zoo penny (Eurolink) locations to the Boston web page at: http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/boston.html bc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Dixon Subject: Re: (elongates) Maine... Date: 01 Aug 1997 09:00:11 -0400 I grew up in Maine and heard a rumor that one exists. I haven't seen it though. It is illegal to elongate pennies in Canada - so you won't find any there. Ft. Kent is really pretty - if you haven't been there before. The fort is also cool - if you are into that stuff like I am. - Jeff At 07:24 PM 7/31/97 -0400, you wrote: >Anybody out there know of any elongate machines in Maine or maybe New >Brunswick, Canada? I'm taking a 'little' trip next week from Mass. to >Ft. Kent Maine on the N.B. Canada border. Nver seen a machine in Maine, >but ya never know... > >Thanks all. > >Ben Lavine mcsquare@erols.com > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com Software Engineer Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com 411 Waverley Oaks Road Waltham, MA 02154 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Dixon Subject: Re: (elongates) Boston Coin Update Date: 01 Aug 1997 09:01:51 -0400 What!?!?! Stone Zoo has a penny!?!?! I didn't know. That's a mile from my apartment! - Jeff At 03:15 AM 8/1/97 -0700, you wrote: >Greetings, > >I have added the Stone Zoo and Franklin Zoo penny (Eurolink) locations to >the Boston web page at: > >http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/boston.html > >bc > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com Software Engineer Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com 411 Waverley Oaks Road Waltham, MA 02154 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) ATTENTION TEC MEMBERS Date: 01 Aug 1997 11:56:44 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-01 03:06:27 EDT, you write: > Well the rules (in the form of the TEC Constitution and By-Laws) > detail a very specific manner for elections which basic boils down to > eavery member is supposed to receive a ballot and a numbered envelope. > Everyone completes their ballot and mails it in. The ballots are counted > and the results announced at the meeting. This year, for reasons that > have yet been reasonably explained to me, no ballots went out and there > will be a live vote at the meeting. That's all I know. > My evil twin is writting this, not me :-) What would keep someone from just typing out a ballot and having a proxy submit it at the meeting? I promise not to ask anymore about this sore subject. Neither will my evil twin :-) -Bob Hoff TEC#2033 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: Re: (elongates) Disney Coins Date: 01 Aug 1997 08:56:43 -0700 (PDT) On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 CWFIII@aol.com wrote: > the only writing on the coins (three quarters, three pennies) was 1995 on the > bottom of each and the word "Disneyana" on the top all are vertical coins w/ > various Disney characters. These were issued at one of the Disneyana Conventions in 1995 (I'll have to check my archives to try and clarify further). They're special in that they were only rolled during the convention and then the dies were destroyed. I'm very interested in aquiring some of these coins. I don't have many Disney elongates to trade, but I've got plenty of others, and I have a few non-elongated Disney coins coins as well. Would you prefer trade or purchase? Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyana Question Date: 01 Aug 1997 08:58:54 -0700 (PDT) On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 CWFIII@aol.com wrote: > > I can tell you that the cooperation that I've seen with the getting of coins > and the free trading that goes on here doesn't exist in a lot of the Disney > circles that I've seen and that what few elongates that are being sold are > Disneyana first and elongates second and that means $. My favorite thing about collecting elongates is that very sense of community. Information is freely traded as are coins themselves. We all love elongates and like to see others get more pleasure from them as we get that pleasure ourselves. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) ATTENTION TEC MEMBERS Date: 01 Aug 1997 09:11:32 -0700 (PDT) On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote: > What would keep someone from just typing out a ballot and having a proxy > submit it at the meeting? To Bob's ET, I hope you have a time machine. The election's over by now. The meeting started at 9:00am in NY, it's now 12:15 NY time. Peace, Aahz' Good Twin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com Subject: (elongates) Best book about Elongateds? Date: 01 Aug 1997 15:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Hi All; Hope you could recommend a book about elongateds. I would like to use it for reference of mostly contemporary coins, but, would like to have earlier World's Fair and similar coins included. What's your choice? Thanks, -Bob Hoff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: Fwd: (elongates) "Yesterday's Elongateds" Date: 01 Aug 1997 13:57:39 -0700 Greetings, Here's an earlier email that may help. bc ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- Received: 07/05 10:49 AM Reply-To: elongates@mail.xmission.com Greetings & Salutations! I recently purchased the book, "Yesterday's Elongateds" by Lee Martin and Dottie Dow. I bought the book from Rich Hartzog and paid $44.50. I must say that, for me, it was well worth the money. I thought that I would share with all of you my impressions of this book. At first glance the book is somewhat imposing, 328 pages, 293 of which are filled with photos and descriptions of elongates. There are only a few pages of general information, although I found the historical information very interesting. If you collect World's Fair issues, or any of the coins issued pre-1965, then this book is a must have. Nearly everyone of the 1000s of elongates has a photograph accompanying the detailed descriptions. Included are variations that would easily slip by unnoticed if you did not know what you were looking for. However, if you are a casual collector, or someone who primarily collects modern souvenir issues, then the book will have essentially no value for you. This is not a criticism of the work, simply a statement of fact. The book sets out to cover the early era of elongates (1893-1965) and does an exceptional job. They even list rarity for each coin. The price ranges listed may not reflect the current market, but the fact that they are RANGES, so the information is still useful when used to determine relative value. I hope these relatively disjointed thoughts will be of use to someone. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668 List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) ELECTION?!?!?!?!?! Date: 01 Aug 1997 20:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Okay, so what happened at the elections?!?!? It's been almost 12 hours and this little cyberling is VERY impatient to hear results 8-) Peace, Aahz Bert-8:35 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) To: Elongates Mail List Date: 01 Aug 1997 20:54:46 -0700 (PDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Hi all. I'm going away for a week or so and I'll probably have to uns*bscribe for a few days lest my computer explode with unread mail. A special favor... Any info about machine locations in and around New England, please e-mail me at mcsquare@erols.com Thanks! I'll surely be re-subscribing upon my return. Ben Lavine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: (elongates) And Now, For Something Completely Different... Date: 01 Aug 1997 21:21:41 -0700 OK, here's something along the lines of elongated penny's... Check out the URL, I'm not making this up! 8-) PS: Wonder if they were pre-82's? ------ http://www.public.usit.net/cheidal/stupid.htm A Penny for your thoughts Two University of Houston students were run over by a train. They had placed coins on the railroad track to see them being squished into an elongated form. After they placed the coins on the track, they stepped back a "safe" distance......onto another set of tracks which had a train already approaching. Police found there elongated forms later. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) And Now, For Something Completely Different... Date: 01 Aug 1997 22:16:20 -0700 (PDT) > A Penny for your thoughts > > Two University of Houston students were run over by a train. They had > placed coins on the railroad track to see them being squished into > an elongated form. After they placed the coins on the track, they > stepped back a "safe" distance......onto another set of tracks which > had a train already approaching. Police found there elongated forms > later. Let this be a warning to each of us. This is the 90s. Safe elongating must be practiced! Always use an elongating machine for your collection building and be sure it use it properly. Protection saves lives!! Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ENTROPYM@aol.com Subject: (elongates) Santa Cruz coin supdate Date: 02 Aug 1997 01:22:35 -0400 (EDT) The boardwalk machine is in inside the casino, dead ahead as you enter from the boardwalk. Today it had an out of order sign on it, but being the fool I am, I stuck money in it. I got a half-pressed penny back. So being the fool I am, I stuck another penny in. This time I got the whole image except for the dots on the trailing edge. The machine is a little out of adjustment. The image is horizontal With Boardwalk bent to resemble a roller-coaster. it has little roller coaster cars on to of the A. The machine is by a company who's name I can't remember, not Eurolink or SF penny. The reverse is printed with "SOUVENIER OF THE SANTA CRUZ BEACH BOARDWALK SANTA CRUZ CALIFORNIA" The other machine is on the pier in front of the Port of Call gift shop. It is a Eurolink machine, horizontal with Santa Cruz, CA on the bottom under a cool drawing of a sailboat sailing in front of a setting sun (setting, this is the west coast) with a palm tree. In a message dated 8/1/97 12:05:00 PM , you write: << There are two machines in Santa Cruz. The first one is the boardwalk arcade. If you haven't been there before, it's located to the left of the pier. The second is located on the pier - about halfway up in the NorthWest corner of a gift shop. The gift shop penny, in my humble opinion, is much better than the arcade penny. I'm looking for pre-1982 versions of both, and would like to trade/buy them from you. - Jeff >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Cruz coin supdate Date: 01 Aug 1997 22:32:37 -0700 Thanks for the detailed Location Keeper info! Have a great weekend... bc On 8/1/97 10:22 PM ENTROPYM@aol.com (ENTROPYM@aol.com ) wrote > The boardwalk machine is in inside the casino, dead ahead as you enter >from the boardwalk. Today it had an out of order sign on it, but being the >fool I am, I stuck money in it. I got a half-pressed penny back. So being the >fool I am, I stuck another penny in. This time I got the whole image except >for the dots on the trailing edge. The machine is a little out of adjustment. >The image is horizontal With Boardwalk bent to resemble a roller-coaster. it >has little roller coaster cars on to of the A. The machine is by a company >who's name I can't remember, not Eurolink or SF penny. The reverse is printed >with "SOUVENIER OF THE > SANTA CRUZ BEACH > BOARDWALK > SANTA CRUZ > CALIFORNIA" > > The other machine is on the pier in front of the Port of Call gift shop. >It is a Eurolink machine, horizontal with Santa Cruz, CA on the bottom under >a cool drawing of a sailboat sailing in front of a setting sun (setting, this >is the west coast) with a palm tree. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ENTROPYM@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Cruz this weekend, wanna trade? Date: 02 Aug 1997 01:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Bummer, I went to the Winchester house today, but the machine was jammed. I got the number of the desk and I'll call back to see if it gets fixed. I live only 30 traffic-jammed miles from the place so I'll try it again soon. Mickey Morgan TEC#2115 In a message dated 7/31/97 11:46:44 PM , Egd9020@aol.com writes: << I don't think the popeye machine is there any more,but I found it in an archade.... I would like a winchester mystery house penny though.... I was there a long time ago! liz >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Cruz this weekend, wanna trade? Date: 01 Aug 1997 22:59:47 -0700 On 8/1/97 10:48 PM ENTROPYM@aol.com (ENTROPYM@aol.com ) wrote >Bummer, I went to the Winchester house today, but the machine was jammed. I >got the number of the desk and I'll call back to see if it gets fixed. I live >only 30 traffic-jammed miles from the place so I'll try it again soon. > >Mickey Morgan >TEC#2115 Did you get a chance to get to Happy Hollow, not to many traffic jammed miles away? You can get to the Gift Shop (by asking at the front entance) without buying a ticket? Aahz, right... no ticket? bc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) Winchester Mystery House Date: 01 Aug 1997 22:51:50 -0700 (PDT) The WMH machine has been jammed for almost two months now. They were supposed to get it fixed about a month ago, but.... I live withing walking distance of WMH and have gone by once a week trying to replensih my trade stock to no avail. I don't know why, but most of their coin-op machine are inoperable. And this is the height of tourist season! Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Sat, 2 Aug 1997 ENTROPYM@aol.com wrote: > Bummer, I went to the Winchester house today, but the machine was jammed. I > got the number of the desk and I'll call back to see if it gets fixed. I live > only 30 traffic-jammed miles from the place so I'll try it again soon. > > Mickey Morgan > TEC#2115 > > > In a message dated 7/31/97 11:46:44 PM , Egd9020@aol.com writes: > > << I don't think the popeye machine is there any more,but I found it in an > archade.... I would like a winchester mystery house penny though.... I was > there a long time ago! > liz >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Cruz this weekend, wanna trade? Date: 01 Aug 1997 22:55:12 -0700 (PDT) On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote: > Did you get a chance to get to Happy Hollow, not to many traffic jammed > miles away? You can get to the Gift Shop (by asking at the front entance) > without buying a ticket? Aahz, right... no ticket? Nope. I just walked right in and over to the machine. Wasn't challenged at all. But this kind of thing happens to me all the time. I'm sure if you asked they'd let you roll some without a ticket. You can see the machine from where the ticket-taker is. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ENTROPYM@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Cruz this weekend, wanna trade? Date: 02 Aug 1997 01:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Another Bummer, I missed the RCBTNGRR park, it closed at 6PM but I'm going to keep trying. I'm batting .500 this weekend. In a message dated 7/31/97 11:09:14 PM , Liz Dale writes: << >If I'm lucky, I'm going to swing by the Winchester Mystery House and Big >Trees...Railroad and pick up a few more. >I'm going to be picking up some extras for trading, so if anyone wants one >and wants to trade, please let me know. I'd love a pre-1982 penny from the Railroad (along with a description of the machine, Eurolink vs somebody else's, location, etc). Thanks! >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Cruz this weekend, wanna trade? Date: 01 Aug 1997 23:22:35 -0700 On 8/1/97 10:59 PM ENTROPYM@aol.com (ENTROPYM@aol.com ) wrote >Another Bummer, I missed the RCBTNGRR park, it closed at 6PM but I'm going to >keep trying. I'm batting .500 this weekend. > >In a message dated 7/31/97 11:09:14 PM , Liz Dale writes: > ><< >If I'm lucky, I'm going to swing by the Winchester Mystery House and Big > >Trees...Railroad and pick up a few more. > >I'm going to be picking up some extras for trading, so if anyone wants one > >and wants to trade, please let me know. > > I'd love a pre-1982 penny from the Railroad (along with a description of > the machine, Eurolink vs somebody else's, location, etc). Thanks! >> The address, for anyone on the list planning a trip, is: Roaring Camp & Big Trees Railroad PO Box G-1 Felton, CA 95018 Phone 408.335.4484 FAX 408.335.3509 Their ad in the airline mag's says: *Two Historic Railroads* "We take folks through the redwoods and to the beach" Chuckwagon BBQ * Country Music * General Store Picnicking * Redwoods Write For Free Color Brochure Gee, live steam, old trains, BBQ, the beach, redwoods, AND SMASHED PENNIES... When I die (and my collection is divided up, bury me at Roaring Camp! (Us Location Keepers don't get out much... so it does not take much to thrill us!) 8-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) Current Tec News Date: 01 Aug 1997 23:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Bert sent me this in a private message, but I though I'd answer on the list since many others have apparently not received theirs yet. On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote: > Ahhh, the last TECN... HEY! I didn't get the last TECN! I WANT MY TECN, > (electronic delivery is acceptable, offer void where prohibited) I spoke with Corey last night about MANY things that have been discussed here. Relevant at the moment is the missing TECN and missing freebie coins. On the missing issues. The way it works is: Howard (TEC Seecretary until today) has the membership/subscription list on his 'puter. He has not been sending Corey (TEC Editor and mailer) the file, but rather a hard copy already on labels. So, if Howard has not update his computer file (or sends Corey an out of date printout) then the issues don't go out. In addition the bottom of each mailing label has an expiration date on it. Occaisonally someone doesn't get properly updated and thus doesn not have "12-97" as an expiration. If there's an older exp. date then no issue goes out. The missing freebies was a total mystery to Corey. He has promised to look into it, however and possibly come up with a more secure method of mailing them out. What to do about it? I'm not really sure. Because of the way Howard handled things, there is no way for Corey to know who's paid up and who's not. I suppose a letter to Howard and/or the new Secretary (when we find out who that is) should get you your missing TECN. As for the missing freebie coin, just drop Corey a nice e-mail letting him know you didn't get yours and I'm sure he'll mail one off to you. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ENTROPYM@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Online support in TEC News (fwd) Date: 02 Aug 1997 02:58:21 -0400 (EDT) In other words, "We(I) like it the way it is, you internet people can go your own way. Abandon your heathen ways and pick up a pen!" Condescending, not confrontational is more like it. He seems to see the internet as a threat to his newsletter. Obviously, the guy doesn't have a computer, or doesn't use it for anything fun. He doesn't see the potential or the reality of what's going on here. I'm trading coins all over the place with people on the Internet. It's fast and easy. I have no idea how i would be able to do this otherwise. Running ads in the newsletter once a month? go to a cenvention once a year? Ferget it! In a message dated 7/29/97 2:47:05 PM , Aahz writes: << As some of you may recall there were recently several messages here on the list about getting more 'net information into TEC News. I have been forwarding all of these comments to Corey Wylde - TEC News Editor. His response is below. Your comments are welcome. Peace, Aahz ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:06:45 -0400 (EDT) From:WSons@aol.com To: aahz@svpal.org Subject: Re: Online support in TEC News Typical of today's cyberlings, Kathy is missing the true fabric of the TEC club. Many folks with a ton to contribute to the hobby have no access to computers. In today's "I won't wait for anything" culture Many things of true value are overlooked and passed by. I think it's a shame. While Tec will endeavor to meet the needs of all its constituents, all should be encouraged to paricipate in BOTH forms of communication. Also, the rich history of the hobby is embodied primarily in those who don't embrace computers. The best articles I receive are hand or type written. For those who can't wait, the future holds lessons which have already been learned by those who go before. I think we should learn from them, don't you? Aahz: After rereading this note, its tone sounds confrontational. That is not my intent -- only to enlighten. Please let me know your thoughts. Obviously, I support the Net. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ENTROPYM@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Online support in TEC News (fwd) Date: 02 Aug 1997 03:06:32 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 7/30/97 2:06:37 AM , you write: << I support the net too. If TEC doesn't get at least a web page they will go the way of the dodo! Besides, newsleters waist trees... the web/internet is more environmentaly friendly! Just my 2 cents... Liz >> I doubt that. In my office at least, you should see all the hard copies that my printer churns out so that I can keep track of with whom I am trading. :) Besides, NO trees are cut down to make paper, they are cut down for lumber, paper is made from the recovered waste products of lumber manufacturing. Mickey M TEC 2115 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Online support in TEC News (fwd) Date: 02 Aug 1997 00:14:44 -0700 (PDT) On Sat, 2 Aug 1997 ENTROPYM@aol.com wrote: > In other words, "We(I) like it the way it is, you internet people can go your > own way. Abandon your heathen ways and pick up a pen!" > Condescending, not confrontational is more like it. He seems to see the > internet as a threat to his newsletter. I agree that the message was very much condescending, but you have misunderstood (as I first did) his motivations. Corey and I have thrashed this out both via e-mail and over the phone. Corey was/is concerned that the large amount of 'net information would be intimidating to many of the older, long-term mebers of TEC that have no understanding of computers, much less the net. I strongly disagreed until today. I just received a letter from Anita Zell (TEC Treasurer and all around great lady). One of the issues she brings up is that from the look of the last TECN computers are taking over the hobby. She goes on to say that she thinks her Penny Pen Pals trading club "and our plain old postage have gone the wayside". This is exactly what Corey feared. I do not know how long Penny Pen Pals has been around, but it is a wonderful sub-group of TEC. They trade pennies and sorrespond via snail mail on a regular basis. This is the kind of thing that can not disappear or TEC will disappear as well. Sure, we do the same thing faster on the 'net, but that doesn't mean things should not be done offline as well. I only want the 'net to be represented in TEC (and vice versa), I don't want the 'net to replace TEC, nor do I think do most of you. Also, TECN is by no means, Corey's newsletter. It is the club's newsletter. Corey is the editor because he happens to be a printer by trade. Most clubs have anyone with a printing press become the editor. It keeps things easy. > Obviously, the guy doesn't have a computer, or doesn't use it for This is a ridiculous statement and you're obviously thinking with your emotions, not your head. If COrey didn't have a computer how could I have forwarded his e-mail to the list? Calm down and think about the ENTIRE conversation that has occured. Corey has apologized for offending anyone by his use of the term Cyberling (which has since been heartily adopted my many on the list). Don't take his comments out of context, that's not why I posted them. They are part of a conversation. Read ll of the conversation and then make your decision. > anything fun. He doesn't see the potential or the reality of what's going on > here. I'm trading coins all over the place with people on the Internet. It's > fast and easy. I have no idea how i would be able to do this otherwise. > Running ads in the newsletter once a month? go to a cenvention once a year? > Ferget it! Possibly join Anita's Penny Pen Pals. How do you think people have been doing it for the last 30 years? I agree that the net is the best form of communication available to us today. Things like this very mailing list would be nearly impossible without the 'net. But if you can't have a Ferrari do you not buy a car at all? No, you deal with what you've got. And if you DID have a Ferrarri, odds are you would occaisonally drive something else. The 'net is great, but it's not the world. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary C. and Ben L." Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Online support in TEC News (fwd) Date: 02 Aug 1997 08:41:50 -0400 ENTROPYM@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/30/97 2:06:37 AM , you write: > > << I support the net too. If TEC doesn't get at least a web page they will go > the way of the dodo! Besides, newsleters waist trees... the web/internet is > more environmentaly friendly! Just my 2 cents... > Liz >> > > I doubt that. In my office at least, you should see all the hard copies > that my printer churns out so that I can keep track of with whom I am > trading. :) > Besides, NO trees are cut down to make paper, they are cut down for > lumber, paper is made from the recovered waste products of lumber > manufacturing. > Sorry. Have to disagree here. Take a look at the clearcut lumber work in Northern New England. The Company??? Great Northern Paper Corp. Besides, the issue isn't trees, paper or computers. The issue is finding some common ground and standing on it. As a non-member (For right now.) it seems to me that TEC is going through some growing pains. I have decided to wait a while before joining as is sounds like things are a little disorganized of late. I'm sure there's been confusion beofre and that there will be again. I just feel it's best to join up when the situation is stable. As an aside, I've had LOTS of problems lately with the U.S. Postal Service; mail mangled and misdelivered. I'm reluctant to trust the USPS with my elongates but for $.32... Penny Pen Pals sounds fun. There's something to be said for anticipation. It's part of what makes a hobby like this enjoyable. C'mon. The average cost of an elongate has to be about $.51!!!! Even buying a bunch of steel pennies I have about $40.00 invested in my whole collection, newbie that I am. I wish, pound for pound and dollar for dollar that I got as much enjoyment out of my boat, diving gear motorcycle etc. etc. (He who dies with the must toys dies, but has fun first.) In the words of he immortal Rodney King: "Can't we all just mow the lawn?" (Sorry-- police humor. No one will ever accuse me of being politically correct.) See you all in a week or so. Ben Lavine mcsquare@erols.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary C. and Ben L." Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Online support in TEC News (fwd) Date: 02 Aug 1997 08:44:15 -0400 Chris Aahz wrote: > > mailing list would be nearly impossible without the 'net. But if you > can't have a Ferrari do you not buy a car at all? No, you deal with what > you've got. And if you DID have a Ferrarri, odds are you would > occaisonally drive something else. The 'net is great, but it's not the > world. Yes, but I'd still like a Ferrari... Ben Peace, > > Aahz > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist > The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder > List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) > Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm > "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) Winchester Mystery House Date: 02 Aug 1997 11:23:01 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-02 06:13:14 EDT, you write: > The WMH machine has been jammed for almost two months now. They > were supposed to get it fixed about a month ago, but.... I live withing > walking distance of WMH and have gone by once a week trying to replensih > my trade stock to no avail. I don't know why, but most of their coin-op > machine are inoperable. And this is the height of tourist season! > > It doesn't surprize me! I've visited the place for years and the *house* isn't even finished yet! :-) -Bob Hoff TEC#2033 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: (elongates) My 2 Cents - Join TEC Date: 02 Aug 1997 11:09:13 -0700 On 8/2/97 5:41 AM Mary C. and Ben L. (mcsquare@erols.com ) wrote >Sorry. Have to disagree here. Take a look at the clear cut lumber work >in Northern New England. The Company??? Great Northern Paper Corp. > >Besides, the issue isn't trees, paper or computers. The issue is >finding some common ground and standing on it. As a non-member (For >right now.) it seems to me that TEC is going through some growing pains. >I have decided to wait a while before joining as is sounds like things >are a little disorganized of late. I'm sure there's been confusion >before and that there will be again. I just feel it's best to join up >when the situation is stable. TEC is going through some growing pains and this is GREAT! If we were not growing many would not hang around. The time to join is now, and make sure the growth is in areas that benefit and interest you. I joined recently (#2095) and I am looking for active ways to help shape the growth. The hallmark of this list has been very active participation. We need that same interactivity in TEC. TEC has a wealth of information and a national (international?) membership. Now is the time to join and take the organization to a new level! > >As an aside, I've had LOTS of problems lately with the U.S. Postal >Service; mail mangled and misdelivered. I'm reluctant to trust the USPS >with my elongates but for $.32... Write a letter to your local postmaster. They will respond! My team at work is building a major web site for the USPS and it will allow you to have many services available from your computer, or phone. But do let the local postmaster know if you have problems... > >Penny Pen Pals sounds fun. There's something to be said for >anticipation. It's part of what makes a hobby like this enjoyable. > I agree fully! Aahz, can we put something on the list that helps list members start Penny Pen Pals with non list members! The power of this list can join with the wealth of knowledge of long time TEC'ys. If we get some great information in our Pen Pal letters, we could each post it to the list for everyone here to share. It also becomes archived that way, searchable by anyone that wants to look through it. >C'mon. The average cost of an elongate has to be about $.51!!!! Even >buying a bunch of steel pennies I have about $40.00 invested in my whole >collection, newbie that I am. I wish, pound for pound and dollar for >dollar that I got as much enjoyment out of my boat, diving gear >motorcycle etc. etc. (He who dies with the must toys dies, but has fun >first.) I have collected other things... but all took up loads of space! I hear you on the cost factor to. And my pennies never need a tune up, they use no consumable supplies (well a little ketchup now and then, but's it free from Burger-Dootle) and there are SOOOOO many designs. I carry one with me, so I can show it to people and get them hooked! It works... >In the words of he immortal Rodney King: "Can't we all just mow the >lawn?" (Sorry-- police humor. No one will ever accuse me of being >politically correct.) It's Saturday, skip the lawn, I'm going smashin'!!! >See you all in a week or so. > >Ben Lavine mcsquare@erols.com Ben, and list members... TEC is no better or worse that the people that make it up and the time they invest in it. I am new to TEC (last 6 months). I am sure older TEC members could tell us TEC newbies some stories about the 'organization' in the past. This is probably not the first time change has occurred. I'd like to hear about some of the past changes and how TEC dealt with them. We had some misunderstandings, with Corey. He now knows (THANKS Chris Aahz) that his cyberling term really got a few of us. He also knows how his comments effected some of us. Chris talked to him and I think we (list-ners) have a new friend. Corey may come to our Disneyland meeting. I hope he does. I want to brain storm with him on how we can ensure the free pennies can be attached securely, and how we can communicate with older (time in membership, not age) members of TEC. I want to scope out a couple of articles that we all can start writing for TEC news... My momma said it is easy to sit on the bench, but a lot more fun to get out and do something. So git' yawl! Get to Willy's home page and get the TEC application and send it in. Actually, hold it a few days until Willy can tell us who to send it to... I have one great regret (in my short time as a collector) and that is not meeting Frank Brazzell. I am getting to know him now through his art. I find FB designs and I get to see Frank at work... Wish I had been a TEC member a long time ago and known about Frank then! There are others... and they are people I want to get to know now... I want to meet Willy in person, and Ray Dillard, and Anita and Corey. Let's get TEC revved up and get some of these great people in our hobby sharing their stories about Frank and about their own adventures. I am sticking with TEC, going to see how I can help Corey with the newsletter, keep my Location Keeper duties on the web, and continue to learn and laugh with you all here on the Mailing List. We're talking about a $10.00 fee, and a couple of letters a year to be active in an organization that IS growing, IS getting new net-savvy members, and IS going to meet the needs and interests of many members. We techy-TECs have a lot to offer... Let's get started! Bert Creighton TEC#2095 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) My 2 Cents - Join TEC Date: 02 Aug 1997 14:09:25 -0700 (PDT) On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote: > the growth. The hallmark of this list has been very active participation. > We need that same interactivity in TEC. TEC has a wealth of information > and a national (international?) membership. Now is the time to join and > take the organization to a new level! Bert has hit the nail right on the head! Interactivity is what I, for one, am trying to bring to TEC. Even with an official web page, the wealth of knowledge that older and long-term members have will not make it online. As someone pointed out, one meeting and four newsletters a year does not spread much information. But considering the low attendence at that one meeting I highly doubt more could be supported. And the newsletter should be going bi-monthly. This will certainly help spread more information. But in order to do this we need participation. We can all sit around on the 'net 24/7 but this won't get us in contact with people like Dottie Dow (TEC #1). Being active in TEC offline as well as on will do just that. > >Penny Pen Pals sounds fun. There's something to be said for > >anticipation. It's part of what makes a hobby like this enjoyable. > > > > I agree fully! Aahz, can we put something on the list that helps list > members start Penny Pen Pals with non list members! The power of this > list can join with the wealth of knowledge of long time TEC'ys. If we get > some great information in our Pen Pal letters, we could each post it to > the list for everyone here to share. It also becomes archived that way, > searchable by anyone that wants to look through it. Hmmmm....Penny Pen Pals is Anita Zell's baby. It's one of her large contributions to ECs. I'm not going to be a part of taking it away from her. Any TEC member can join PPP, just write Anita. I believe there will be an article about it in the next TECN. > Corey may come to our Disneyland meeting. I hope he does. I want to brain > storm with him on how we can ensure the free pennies can be attached > securely, and how we can communicate with older (time in membership, not > age) members of TEC. I want to scope out a couple of articles that we all > can start writing for TEC news... This is the key! The 'net is all about communication. So let's use this forum to communicate and come up with bigger and better ideas that can applied to our hobby. If TEC is ever going to meet your needs, now is the time to join and help mold its future. > TEC application and send it in. Actually, hold it a few days until Willy > can tell us who to send it to... I WANT ELECTION RESULTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > We're talking about a $10.00 fee, and a couple of letters a year to be > active in an organization that IS growing, IS getting new net-savvy > members, and IS going to meet the needs and interests of many members. We > techy-TECs have a lot to offer... Let's get started! In the immortal word of John Belushi: "Leeeeeeeet's Doooooo Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittt!!!!" Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mike schlaack" Subject: (elongates) Michigan & Chicago Elongates Date: 02 Aug 1997 18:07:08 -0400 Hey All- Looking for locations of machines in Chicago area and Michigan. If you can help it would be appreciated. Thank, Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: (elongates) Organizing Collections? Date: 03 Aug 1997 00:55:49 -0700 Greetings All, I am seeking your advise on how you organize your collections, especially those using 2x2's (2" by 2" holders in plastic sheets). Any tips on where to get supplies (TEC has 2x2 elongated versions), plastic pages (coin vs 35mm slide pages), etc. How are you all organizing your coins? By state, city, loction? We have talked about polishing ideas and pre-1982 (less zinc) ideas. This seemed like the time to move on to organizing things. Thanks for any ideas you can share. bc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Birchard Subject: Re: (elongates) Organizing Collections? Date: 03 Aug 1997 01:03:13 -0700 (PDT) On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote: > Greetings All, > > I am seeking your advise on how you organize your collections, especially > those using 2x2's (2" by 2" holders in plastic sheets). Any tips on where > to get supplies (TEC has 2x2 elongated versions), plastic pages (coin vs > 35mm slide pages), etc. I use the TEc 2x2's with the standard plastic pages. The problem that I encounter however is that many times I must cut some excess cardbaord from the 2x2 (which isn't exactly 2x2) to make it fit in the plastic page. Then, once I get it in (sometimes I break the plastic, *%@!) I don't want to remove it or try and push another into that streched slot. > > How are you all organizing your coins? By state, city, loction? I kinda keep 'em organized in a loose cronological sort of way. Which translates to: I ad a new page as new coins warrant. When I get a big lot I tend to group them by subject matter. All zoo issues on one page. Disney on another, etc. Also, once I fill a page with say, Disney coins, If I get more Disney coins, I don't want to shift everything around just to insert a few coins into order. Thus I have a bunch of misc. pages in the backs of my binders. On my older issues, and the special ones, like my Newsletter award coins, I keep them in a type case mounted on the wall. My father is a printer and he was able to get for me three such cases. They are actually oak drawers which were used to hold the old movable type used in printing. This style case has 98 2x2 sections, just perfect for elongates in holders. I have one case, half filled mounted on my wall. I wrote an article entitled "The Way I Display" a few years back for TEC News detailing this method of storage/display. > > We have talked about polishing ideas and pre-1982 (less zinc) ideas. This > seemed like the time to move on to organizing things. > But on some designs the zinc is really cool. I've got a covered bridge issue with a bunch of tight vertical lines. The blue zinc makes that look neat. > Thanks for any ideas you can share. > > bc > No problem. Matt Birchard TEC #1848 Portland, Oregon USA e-mail: psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: Re: (elongates) Organizing Collections? Date: 03 Aug 1997 01:55:23 -0700 On 8/3/97 1:03 AM Matthew Birchard (psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu ) wrote >My father >is a printer and he was able to get for me three such cases. Matt, THANKS for all the information! I love the type case idea! I worked on an 1892 Goss press for a year (melting lead, making type, etc. Have to see if I still have a drawer in the garage... Thanks again! Bert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ENTROPYM@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Cruz this weekend, wanna trade? Date: 03 Aug 1997 11:34:38 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 8/2/97 4:45:26 AM , you write: > On 8/1/97 10:48 PM ENTROPYM@aol.com (ENTROPYM@aol.com ) wrote > > >Bummer, I went to the Winchester house today, but the machine was jammed. I > >got the number of the desk and I'll call back to see if it gets fixed. I > live > >only 30 traffic-jammed miles from the place so I'll try it again soon. > > > >Mickey Morgan > >TEC#2115 > > Did you get a chance to get to Happy Hollow, not to many traffic jammed > miles away? You can get to the Gift Shop (by asking at the front entrance) > without buying a ticket? Aahz, right... no ticket? > bc Happy Hollow? I'm not familiar with it. What is it? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ENTROPYM@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) My 2 Cents - Join TEC Date: 03 Aug 1997 12:14:27 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 8/2/97 11:05:03 AM , Bert wrote: > I have collected other things... but all took up loads of space! I hear > you on the cost factor to. And my pennies never need a tune up, they use > no consumable supplies (well a little ketchup now and then, but's it free > from Burger-Dootle) and there are SOOOOO many designs. I carry one with > me, so I can show it to people and get them hooked! It works... I myself carry a couple of coppers in my wallet...just in case. My, how far I've come from my High School days. Rubbers to coppers. Now getting lucky is defined by finding a previously unknown penny machine! Joining TEC, if for no other reason is worth is because the secretary sends you quite a few coins, a postcard of the Smashed Penny Museum and a nice letter. It's as though he knew me, because I got two Republican National Convention coins from the conventions I didn't get to attend. BTW, I'm sailing to San Francisco later this month. Coins from Fisherman's Wharf and Pier 39 will be available, just E-Mail me. Mickey Morgan TEC Cyberling #2115 EntropyM@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Cruz this weekend, wanna trade? Date: 03 Aug 1997 10:02:43 -0700 On 8/3/97 8:34 AM ENTROPYM@aol.com (ENTROPYM@aol.com ) wrote > >Happy Hollow? I'm not familiar with it. What is it? It is a small Zoo with a Park Railway next door. Just a few minutes from Downtown SJ! bc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) Organizing Collections? Date: 03 Aug 1997 11:15:49 -0700 (PDT) On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote: > those using 2x2's (2" by 2" holders in plastic sheets). Any tips on where > to get supplies (TEC has 2x2 elongated versions), plastic pages (coin vs > 35mm slide pages), etc. I purchase elongate 2x2s from TEC (1000/$32ppd). Not only are these far better for displaying elongates then standard coin 2x2s but the price is comparable as well. For large elongates (quarters, halves, Susn Bs) I use either dollar coin 2x2s or 2x2s with a full square open. TEC sells 2x2s in smaller lots as well. I also purchase most of my plastic sheets from TEC at 100/$38ppd. This is less expensive then I've been able to get heets at coin shops or mail order elswhere. Also less expensive then slide holders. > How are you all organizing your coins? By state, city, loction? I have two binders of elongates: 1) Souvenir elongates - Divided by state, within each state grouped by location. 2) Other elongates - Divided by category (LPs, Special coins, TEC Coins, Coin Clubs, Coin Shows [divided further into pre80s, 80s, and 90s], Halloween, Store Cards-Coins, Store Cards-General, and Miscellany which contains coins ourside my focus categories but are still too cool to trade). Whithin each category they're organized by date is applicable or just the order I received them. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) Organizing Collections? Date: 03 Aug 1997 11:25:45 -0700 (PDT) On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote: > I use the TEc 2x2's with the standard plastic pages. The problem that I > encounter however is that many times I must cut some excess cardbaord > from the 2x2 (which isn't exactly 2x2) to make it fit in the plastic > page. Then, once I get it in (sometimes I break the plastic, *%@!) I > don't want to remove it or try and push another into that streched slot. I've never heard of anyone needing to do this. Maybe you got a bad batch of 2x2s. Does this occur primarily with highly curved elongates? > Disney on another, etc. Also, once I fill a page with say, Disney coins, > If I get more Disney coins, I don't want to shift everything around just > to insert a few coins into order. Thus I have a bunch of misc. pages in > the backs of my binders. This is the great dilemmna! I find myself shifting all of my coins around about every six weeks. With new coins coming in almost daily, my misc. temp. pages get full pretty quick. > On my older issues, and the special ones, like my Newsletter > award coins, I keep them in a type case mounted on the wall. My father > printing. This style case has 98 2x2 sections, just perfect for > elongates in holders. I have one case, half filled mounted on my wall. This is a great idea! I'll have to keep my eye out at flea markets/yard sales for one of these. > But on some designs the zinc is really cool. I've got a covered bridge I've got to admit that I heartily agree with this. On some coins the zinc looks really nice. The problem is that you never know which ones until they're rolled and even then I have found the zinc to give inconsistent results. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) Happy Hollow Date: 03 Aug 1997 11:33:14 -0700 (PDT) On Sun, 3 Aug 1997 ENTROPYM@aol.com wrote: > Happy Hollow? I'm not familiar with it. What is it? Happy Hollow Petting Zoo is part of the Kelley Park complex at the corner of Keyes & Senter just south of downtown SJ. If you need directions, send private mail. It's great petting zoo and very popular with elementary school age kids for field trips, birthday parties, etc. Also in Kelley Park is the San Jose Historical Museum complex which is both fun and educational and the Japanese Gardens. Although you can get to the penny machine without buying a ticket they do charge parking ($3) on weekends, so either go on a weekday or park around the block if you're going JUST for the pennies. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) Re: Full AOL? (fwd) Date: 03 Aug 1997 11:35:13 -0700 (PDT) I received the following message on my list-admin mailing list and thought AOL members should read it. You may well be missing chunks of messages from the list. I recommend taking the measures suggested below. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- We have found AOL to block email address on a whim. Most often we find they block reflected and not digest. We also have found that AOL returns these often 3 or 4 weeks later. Because this dumps more than 300 messages to us in less than an hour we no longer accept AOL on reflected. Most AOLers also have no idea their ISP does this. We recommend they find another ISP totally and to be on our list they at least need a Juno, Hotmail, Earthlink or other free email account. This has helped us greatly. FWIW only one AOLer complained loudly. Now even she is on Juno getting the reflected list. Tina Majestic Mountain Sage mailto:mmtnsage@xmission.com http://www.xmission.com/~mmtnsage ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) Proposed Quarter Commems Date: 03 Aug 1997 11:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Greetings & Salutations! The U.S. Congress and Treasury Department are currently trying to decide wether or not to begin a new curculating commemorative program with US quarters. The idea is that each of the fifty dtates would be honored on the reverse of Washington Quarters. What does this have to do with elongates? Well, quarter rolling machines are becoming far more common. Wouldn't it be great to have a San Francisco Cable Car Quarter with a California commemoratie reverse? Disney World elongated quarters witha Florida reverse? How 'bout TEC convention badges rolled on the appropriate state's coin? These would be great! There is still some doubt as to wether or not this program will occur. I strongly encourage each of you to write/FAX/phone/e-mail your Senators and Crongressmen and encourage them to push this program thru. If you want more info on the program you should check out the following two web sites: http://www-cs-students.Stanford.edu/~erikr/50states.html http://www2.cy-net.net/~petec/newcoins.html Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) Organizing Collections? (fwd) Date: 03 Aug 1997 14:01:32 -0700 (PDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, Chris Aahz wrote: > > On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote: > > > I use the TEc 2x2's with the standard plastic pages. The problem that I > > encounter however is that many times I must cut some excess cardbaord > > from the 2x2 (which isn't exactly 2x2) to make it fit in the plastic > > page. Then, once I get it in (sometimes I break the plastic, *%@!) I > > don't want to remove it or try and push another into that streched slot. > > I've never heard of anyone needing to do this. Maybe you got a > bad batch of 2x2s. Does this occur primarily with highly curved > elongates? Sometimes it is the highly curved coins, but more often than not it is simply the fact that the 2x2's are not square. Sometimes one half is longer than the other. I guess I did get a bad batch, or perhaps incompatible 2x2's and plastic pages. > > > On my older issues, and the special ones, like my Newsletter > > award coins, I keep them in a type case mounted on the wall. My father > > > printing. This style case has 98 2x2 sections, just perfect for > > elongates in holders. I have one case, half filled mounted on my wall. > > This is a great idea! I'll have to keep my eye out at flea > markets/yard sales for one of these. So, you are a regular at fleas and yard sales. Neat. I too frequent them, but for my other collection, not my elongates. I collect classic videogames avidly and in addition to hitting fleas and yard sales, I go to a set group of thrift stores about 3 times a week (takes 2 hours, 20 miles). Anyway, back to elongates and the type cases. I highly doubt that you'll ever be able to find one, short of going to an antiques store or a printer. Either way you'll probably have to pay handsomely for it. Collectors of thimbals and other tiny knick-knacks have already found that a type case hung on the wall makes a wonderful display. The most common stlye available is referred to as the California Type case. It has three main sections which are divided into many smaller, variously sized sections. The style that I have I've never seen available anywhere, while I have seen the California Type in several shops and peoples' homes. > > > But on some designs the zinc is really cool. I've got a covered bridge > > I've got to admit that I heartily agree with this. On some coins > the zinc looks really nice. The problem is that you never know which > ones until they're rolled and even then I have found the zinc to give > inconsistent results. > Very true. Matt Birchard TEC #1848 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: Re: (elongates) Proposed Quarter Commems Date: 03 Aug 1997 15:23:31 -0700 Sounds like something TEC should be heard on! bc On 8/3/97 11:59 AM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote >Greetings & Salutations! > > The U.S. Congress and Treasury Department are currently trying to >decide wether or not to begin a new curculating commemorative program >with US quarters. The idea is that each of the fifty dtates would be >honored on the reverse of Washington Quarters. What does this have to do >with elongates? Well, quarter rolling machines are becoming far more >common. Wouldn't it be great to have a San Francisco Cable Car Quarter >with a California commemoratie reverse? Disney World elongated quarters >witha Florida reverse? How 'bout TEC convention badges rolled on the >appropriate state's coin? These would be great! > > There is still some doubt as to wether or not this program will >occur. I strongly encourage each of you to write/FAX/phone/e-mail your >Senators and Crongressmen and encourage them to push this program thru. >If you want more info on the program you should check out the following >two web sites: > > http://www-cs-students.Stanford.edu/~erikr/50states.html > > http://www2.cy-net.net/~petec/newcoins.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: Re: (elongates) Organizing Collections? (fwd) Date: 03 Aug 1997 15:30:45 -0700 On 8/3/97 2:01 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote >> >> This is a great idea! I'll have to keep my eye out at flea >> markets/yard sales for one of these. > >So, you are a regular at fleas and yard sales. Neat. I too frequent >them, but for my other collection, not my elongates. I collect classic >videogames avidly and in addition to hitting fleas and yard sales, I go >to a set group of thrift stores about 3 times a week (takes 2 hours, 20 >miles). Anyway, back to elongates and the type cases. I highly doubt >that you'll ever be able to find one, short of going to an antiques store >or a printer. Either way you'll probably have to pay handsomely for it. >Collectors of thimbals and other tiny knick-knacks have already found >that a type case hung on the wall makes a wonderful display. The most >common stlye available is referred to as the California Type case. It >has three main sections which are divided into many smaller, variously >sized sections. The style that I have I've never seen available >anywhere, while I have seen the California Type in several shops and >peoples' homes. OK, Aahz, when are we starting a flee market email list? My wife and I drove by one yesterday and said "Gee, wish we had allowed time to stop there!" My parents own an antique shop (where I got my 1st elongates) and they get the type drawers from time to time. I will post the info next time they get them... Bert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "zinful" Subject: (elongates) mission location? Date: 03 Aug 1997 18:36:20 -0000 Hello all, I was just wondering if anyone has any info on the San Juan Capistrano Mission penny machine location. I think I remember Bert mentioning something about it. I went a few weeks ago and could not find the machine anywhere. And I searched high and low. Thanks, have a great evening, and take care my friends. Gina ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "zinful" Subject: (elongates) locations Date: 03 Aug 1997 18:43:00 -0000 Hello all, Didn't mean to post the message for Janelle to the mailing list, sorry don't know how that happened. Anyways, I discovered that at Knotts Berry Farm there is a machine in a candy store (the free part that is located just outside the entrance). It is a 3 in 1 machine. Knotts Berry Farm Knotts Scary Farm Knotts Merry Farm Anyone interested? Gina TEC #2109 zinful@prodigy.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: Re: (elongates) mission location? Date: 03 Aug 1997 20:09:22 -0700 Hey Gina, Good evening. I stopped there a few months back and asked the person at the front desk. She knew nothing about it. I have seen reports of this machine... I wonder if it was removed for some reason. If we knew the owner of the machine (Eurolink, or someone else) we could confirm the removal... bc On 8/3/97 11:36 AM zinful (zinful@prodigy.net ) wrote >Hello all, >I was just wondering if anyone has any info on the San Juan Capistrano >Mission penny machine location. I think I remember Bert mentioning >something about it. I went a few weeks ago and could not find the machine >anywhere. And I searched high and low. >Thanks, have a great evening, and take care my friends. Gina ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Dixon Subject: (elongates) Hmmm...possible election inside scoop Date: 04 Aug 1997 08:38:55 -0400 I got a letter from Willy signed: >Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 00:15:25 -0700 >From: "William C. Massey" >Reply-To: massey@clark.net >Organization: Luck "E" Penny >To: Jeff Dixon >Subject: Re: I didn't receive my issue >References: <3.0.32.19970731093746.00951a70@kurzweil.com> [snip] >-- >Elongatedly Yours, > > William C. Massey > TEC PRESIDENT > > So, what are the other results???? - Jeff :) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com Software Engineer Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com 411 Waverley Oaks Road Waltham, MA 02154 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Dixon Subject: (elongates) The big WDW penny bash...uh smash Date: 04 Aug 1997 08:45:27 -0400 Ok y'all (sorry my Maine upbringing snuck in there), I've received two checks to date. I'm still waiting on some more. Please let me know when you send our your check. Also, I'd prefer you to make it out to Big Al (Alan Ramsay) instead of me. If you owe me money for pennies - just send me a check for 2.01 -- that shouldn't break the piggy bank! *grin* Anyways, off to get some work done. I'm pleased with the traffic from the weekend. Lots of great comments about organization. I hope to build a display case someday. My collection currents rests within a binder of slide pages. I need to get a bunch of 2x2s so they don't fall out. It's quite a pain to put your collection back together after you pick it up the wrong way. *oops* See ya, - Jeff P.S. For all the people that I owe pennies to - you should have some in the next couple of days. My trading stock has been refilled. *finally* ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com Software Engineer Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com 411 Waverley Oaks Road Waltham, MA 02154 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) mission location? Date: 04 Aug 1997 11:19:41 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-03 23:22:26 EDT, you write: > Hello all, > I was just wondering if anyone has any info on the San Juan Capistrano > Mission penny machine location. I think I remember Bert mentioning > something about it. I went a few weeks ago and could not find the machine > anywhere. And I searched high and low. > Thanks, have a great evening, and take care my friends. Gina > Hi Gina! I live locally and can remember (I think) seeing a machine some time ago, before I was collecting. But, I don't remember seeing one in the past few years. There could be one on the street out front maybe at one of the antique stores. I'll put this one on my to do list and report back. -Bob Hoff TEC# 2033 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Fritsch Subject: Re: (elongates) The big WDW penny bash...uh smash Date: 04 Aug 1997 12:14:55 -0400 Jeff Dixon wrote: > > binder of slide pages. I need to get a bunch of 2x2s so they don't fall > out. It's quite a pain to put your collection back > together after you pick it up the wrong way. *oops* Jeff, TEC offers elongated 2x2s via _TEC News_ for $3.00 per hundred postpaid. Don't know if Ray Dillard will bring any to the NENA show 22-23 August but wouldn't be surprised if he did. Consider working in the TEC booth for a while at NENA. Ray is always appreciative of the help and it's great fun smashing pennies by manually. For all: ANA show report (with emphasis on elongateds) is forthcoming. Have to get my notes in order. Regards, Bob Fritsch TEC #1871 rfritsch@concentric.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Egd9020@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Online support in TEC News (fwd) Date: 04 Aug 1997 14:18:46 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-02 07:35:26 EDT, you write: << I doubt that. In my office at least, you should see all the hard copies that my printer churns out so that I can keep track of with whom I am trading. :) Besides, NO trees are cut down to make paper, they are cut down for lumber, paper is made from the recovered waste products of lumber manufacturing. >> It is not the web's fault that you think it is necessary to have hard coppies of letters. That is your personal practice that others may not do. ( I always try to print on both sides of a page of paper inorder to save it) And you are right about the lumber... As far as I know the web doesn't contribute to cuting down trees. Liz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) In case you didn't hear the news (fwd) Date: 04 Aug 1997 15:00:16 -0700 (PDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- The following is from USA Today and the Associated Press: 08/01/97 - 12:49 PM ET "WASHINGTON - Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin bowed Friday to a congressional campaign for new designs on the reverse side of the quarter, clearing a big obstacle to the first change in the nation's coinage in 18 years. " Rubin has asked Congress to make the final decision. Rep. Michael Castle, R-Del., chairman of the House Banking monetary subcommittee, is preparing the needed legislation. Under Castle's proposal, starting in 1999, five new designs for the quarter's reverse side honoring the 50 states would be issued each year for 10 years. Thanks, Pete CM #74 CoinMasters Mail List Moderator P.S. Are you tired of current U.S. coinage? Check out http://www2.cy-net.net/~petec/newcoins.html and make a difference!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William C. Massey" Subject: (elongates) UNofficial TEC NEWS UPDATE Date: 05 Aug 1997 06:41:05 -0700 Attention TEC members who have not received the latest TEC NEWS: If you still don't have it in a week, Please email me directly. I should have about 20 issues in hand by that time. As you can imagine, TEC is going through a bit of a transition at this time. Please know that things will be running smoothly again, and very soon... Perhaps not soon enough, but it won't be long. This has been an UNofficial TEC release by: William C. Massey TEC #1857 (Just to keep you in-the-know) PS: I will be unable to reply to any email until as late as Friday. I appreciate your patience. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete Morelewicz Subject: (elongates) ANA Mint Mile coins Date: 05 Aug 1997 14:36:00 PDT I know a few people expressed interest in trading for the Mint Mile foreign coins issued at the ANA. I did aquire the coins, but the TEC booth was closed, so I was unable to squish them with the official TEC/ANA design. At some point, I will squish them with the "official (though yet to be made)" SPM design. Then they'll be trade-ready. Sorry to disappoint anyone whose hopes may have been raised. Also, if anyone on the list was at the SPM reception on Friday night, thanks for coming. Though there were only about 25-30 people there, I may not have had a chance to talk with you. Pete ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: russ r Subject: (elongates) members list Date: 05 Aug 1997 18:48:40 -0700 please send the elongated coins members list. thanks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) members list Date: 05 Aug 1997 20:12:40 -0700 (PDT) On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, russ r wrote: > please send the elongated coins members list. thanks > > This person is not a subscriber to the list, so I can only assume that he wants the members list for untoward purposes. I recommend not providing him with this information. I have sent him a message asking why he wants the list and should it be a legitimate reason, then I will withdraw my objection. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Egd9020@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) My 2 Cents - Join TEC Date: 05 Aug 1997 23:43:27 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-03 12:16:05 EDT, you write: << I myself carry a couple of coppers in my wallet...just in case. My, how far I've come from my High School days. Rubbers to coppers. Now getting lucky is defined by finding a previously unknown penny machine! >> Is this what I have to look forward to in my old age??? Liz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Egd9020@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Full AOL? (fwd) Date: 05 Aug 1997 23:43:40 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-03 14:40:16 EDT, you write: << We have found AOL to block email address on a whim. Most often we find they block reflected and not digest. We also have found that AOL returns these often 3 or 4 weeks later. Because this dumps more than 300 messages to us in less than an hour we no longer accept AOL on reflected. Most AOLers also have no idea their ISP does this. We recommend they find another ISP totally and to be on our list they at least need a Juno, Hotmail, Earthlink or other free email account. > What do you mean by "block reflected and not digest."? Are they going to kick me off the list??? Liz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Fritsch Subject: (elongates) Report on ANA NY Date: 06 Aug 1997 06:09:35 -0400 REPORT ON ANA NY '97 by Robert F. Fritsch One of the truths of any ANA Convention is that it is too large for one person to totally experience. The best that anybody can hope for is to plan their visit carefully and stick to the schedule. That said, I did exactly that, and almost succeeded. I did not go to ANA New York to buy coins, but went to meet people, attend meetings, do some work, and to generally immerse myself in numismatics for six glorious days. I allotted an extra day before the start of the convention for volunteer labor, and spent Tuesday greeting incoming dealers down in front of the hotel and sending them and their wares directly to the security room under escort. I got a good appreciation of New York during this duty, and was favorably impressed. Like Detroit in '94, New York in '97 got a bum rap with the unfavorable publicity. In all my wanderings around the area (a small chunk around Times Square), I never felt unsafe, and enjoyed everything I saw. Had dinner with a friend from Maine and we talked coins the entire evening even though we had no common ground in our collections. Opening day saw me setting my exhibit, attending the TAMS (Token and Medal Society) Board Meeting as an interested member, working the TEC (The Elongated Collectors) and DWMC (Dedicated Wooden Money Collectors) booths which were adjacent and could be covered by one person, partially filling my World Mint Passport, getting my exhibit judging package, introducing a Numismatic Theatre presentation, and participating in the World Series of Numismatics. John Burns of Pittsburgh and I came in second, guaranteeing our place in Friday's finals. Thursday started with judging my assigned category, then missing a meeting because I did not put it on my schedule properly. Attended the meeting of the ANA Education Committee with James Taylor and learned about the new Numismatic Curriculum that ANA is launching, plus the associated National Coin Week theme of "Numismatics: The Key to Knowledge." The TAMS Membership meeting was next, followed by a Numismatic Theatre presentation on medals by Virginia Janssen. My own NT presentation on running coin clubs was next, with co-presenter ANA Governor Gary Lewis. We used a forum style presentation and got good participation from the audience. Rushed to the Life Member reception, then to the World Series to check the competition for the next match. The TAMS Banquet was held at Sardi's, and I was nearly late for the first course because the World Series had run over its allotted time. The NLG (Numismatic Literary Guild) Bash was immediately afterwards, but it was pretty mild according to those who know. Went out for ice cream with JT Stanton and James Taylor after the Bash closed, and was surprised at the amount of people in Times Square at midnight. The place was packed, and no trouble in sight. Friday opened with the TEC Board meeting, followed immediately by the TEC General Membership meeting. On to the Board meeting of the IWOMC (International Order of Wooden Money Collectors). Decided to view a bit of New York and strolled up to the Carnegie Deli where I had one of their foot-high sandwiches ($18!). Advised a Young Numismatist on his exhibit and how to improve it, then went back to my hotel for a much-needed nap. Up in time to wake fully before the World Series Finals. Our team came in third, with the Anthony Swiatek / David Alexander team crushing the competition. Supper with my partner John Burns had conversation about (what else) coins. Saturday was the easy (?) day. IOWMC held its General Membership meeting which lasted a long time as usual. Missed two other functions but the trade-off was worth it. The rest of the day was spent in the TEC booth, squashing pennies in rotation with Ray Dillard. It seemed that the crowds came whenever I was on the machine and went away when Ray was there (not really). We were both extremely busy as the pre-made coins had all been given out, so we had to do them on the spot. Don't know how many we did, bit I estimate about a thousand between us, each one done by hand. I found out that I had won an award for my exhibit, so went up and claimed third place for my class. We closed the booth at 4PM to attend the Exhibitor/Judge Reception. Back to the hotel to rest then to the ANA Banquet. Food was passable and the presentations fairly short. Sat next to Mrs. John Jay Pittman, a charming lady. Sunday was quick: picked up the exhibit then caught the first plane back home. So ended a great convention. I'm already looking forward to Portland, Oregon next year! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Dixon Subject: Re: (elongates) members list Date: 06 Aug 1997 08:26:07 -0400 I don't want someone to have my e-mail for spamming purposes. I have enough of that already. - Jeff At 06:48 PM 8/5/97 -0700, you wrote: >please send the elongated coins members list. thanks > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com Software Engineer Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com 411 Waverley Oaks Road Waltham, MA 02154 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Berkman" Subject: (elongates) RE: Report on ANA NY Date: 06 Aug 1997 14:29:34 UT I was also at the ANA and enjoyed myself more than at any other numismatic gathering. Yes, I have been to shows with many more dealers than at the ANA show, but the quality of the people there certainly was above almost all others. I was not able to attend any club meetings, unfortunately, but was able to attend some other functions. The Heritage auction was quite interesting, being my first "serious" auction which I had been able to go to. I regestered for bidding, but in the sessions which I sat in for, nearly every coin surfaced above $1,000. Probably the most interesting even of them all was just walking around the bourse floor, just talking with dealers and in some cases, inspecting their six figure coins. Speaking of which, it was a real treat to see two 1804 Dollars, a 1913 Liberty Head Nickel, two Brasher Doubloons, an 1866 No Motto Dollar and a complete set of Stellas. I have been doing a good bit of research regarding these coins and this was very much of interest to me. I would say that the ANA could improve the not-so memorable registration. The line at 9:55 AM on Wednesday was already beginning to block the majority of the sixth floor in the Marriott and it was pure confusion. A few other people joked that the registration officials were taking to much blood from the attendees. Anyway, the week just went by so fast, but the day I left was the YN breakfast and auction; certainly the icing on the cake for the week. I was ablt to get a few coins from the auction but also I won a YN literary award at that event as well. That really topped off the whole experience of going to the convention! Just waiting for Portland! Michael Berkman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) members list Date: 06 Aug 1997 07:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Greetings and Salutations! I have heard back from Russ and spam concerns are unnecessary. In fact, he was looking for the TEC membership list in order to see that he and his wife had been removed from it. I assured him that I would not post his info should I find it on the list when I receive it. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Dixon Subject: Re: (elongates) members list Date: 06 Aug 1997 10:54:36 -0400 Cool. I was just getting worried - since I already receive about 80 messages a day. - Jeff At 07:50 AM 8/6/97 -0700, you wrote: >Greetings and Salutations! > > I have heard back from Russ and spam concerns are unnecessary. >In fact, he was looking for the TEC membership list in order to see that >he and his wife had been removed from it. I assured him that I would not >post his info should I find it on the list when I receive it. > > Peace, > > Aahz > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist >The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder >List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) >Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm >"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com Software Engineer Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com 411 Waverley Oaks Road Waltham, MA 02154 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: (elongates) members list Date: 06 Aug 1997 09:57:20 -0700 Greetings All, It is a simple matter (in fact a feature within majordomo) to get a full list of all our emails. You can tell majordomo to hid your name. Peraps it would be good to post how to do that. I need to run for now. Chris, maybe there's a way for our names to be hidden from the "list" command by default. This would be nice to have, and it would allow individuals to decide to unblock their names. This is one area of majordomo I do not know well enough, so the ISP may need to help out here. Bert > >---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- >Date: 08/05 8:12 PM >Received: 08/05 8:21 PM >From: Chris Aahz, aahz@svpal.org >Reply-To: Mailing List Penny, elongates@mail.xmission.com >To: Mailing List Penny, elongates@mail.xmission.com > > >On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, russ r wrote: > >> please send the elongated coins members list. thanks >> >> > > This person is not a subscriber to the list, so I can only assume >that he wants the members list for untoward purposes. I recommend not >providing him with this information. I have sent him a message asking >why he wants the list and should it be a legitimate reason, then I will >withdraw my objection. > > Peace, > > Aahz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Fritsch Subject: Re: (elongates) members list Date: 06 Aug 1997 21:17:55 -0400 Chris Aahz wrote: > This person is not a subscriber to the list, so I can only assume > that he wants the members list for untoward purposes. I recommend not > providing him with this information. I have sent him a message asking > why he wants the list and should it be a legitimate reason, then I will > withdraw my objection. Please let us know the resolution to this. Thanks. Bob Fritsch TEC #1871 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Birchard Subject: (elongates) German Import Date: 07 Aug 1997 15:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Hi all! My parents just returned from 3 weeks in Germany a few hours ago. They found one elongate for me. It is a horizontal design rolled on a brass coin (I think it is a 5 pfenning, have to check later for sure). Anyway, they got it in the north of Germany. Here is the description: MS. WAPPEN VON HAMBURG (at the top) design of a cruise style ship and some interesting rock formations to the right. HELGOLAND - DIENST (at bottom) Standard dot border. No start slot, but there is a "heel" on one end where the coin is grabbed by the die. The coin is infact a bit egg shaped and not perfectly eliptical. The design actually compensates for this slight shape variance. Fairly well detailed design, yet it is not very "high relief". The coin is very similar to my other German elongates that I got when I visited the country two years ago. You can read all about them in a back issue of TEC News in my article entitled: "German Elongates". Perhaps if enough people were interested I could transcribe that article to the list. WHOA! I just realized that I've had 4 articles published in TEC News, but I swear I only have like 1 award coin, maybe 2. I'm sure I missed getting one along the line, though I received my due credit in the newsletter. I'm not really worried about it. Any European collectors on this list that could supply all us North American folks with coins? Oh, also, I don't speak nor read a word of German, so I can only tell you that HELGOLAND is the island in the North Sea that my parents visited. The desing is horizontal oriented. Anyone care to translate? Matt Birchard TEC #1848 Portland, Oregon USA e-mail: psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Birchard Subject: (elongates) ANA/TEC in Portland Date: 07 Aug 1997 15:52:38 -0700 (PDT) I just thought I'd ask here since someone can probably give me a quick answer. What are the exact dates of the ANA convention that will be held in my hometown of Portland, Oregon next year? I'm planning to attend for sure, I'm just afraid that the convention may conflict with a big regional car meet. I own a 1959 Nash Metropolitan and my local chapter of the national owner's club is hosting the Northwest meet next year. Anyway, anyone got those dates? Thanks. Matt Birchard TEC #1848 Portland, Oregon USA e-mail: psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Fritsch Subject: Re: (elongates) German Import Date: 07 Aug 1997 22:42:48 -0400 Matthew Birchard wrote: > MS. WAPPEN VON HAMBURG (at the top) > > design of a cruise style ship and some interesting rock formations to the > right. > > HELGOLAND - DIENST (at bottom) Translation (loosely): MS = Motor Ship (Schiffe) "Wappen" from Hamburg in the Helgoland Service (Dienst). The rock formations are part of the island of Helgoland, which is popular because it is a big Duty-Free shop for British goods. > Standard dot border. No start slot, but there is a "heel" on one end > where the coin is grabbed by the die. The coin is infact a bit egg > shaped and not perfectly eliptical. This is probably because the 5-pfg is a small fat coin. The rollers must be further apart to take its thickness, so there isn't a lot of pressure to completely elongate it. ANA Portland is 5-9 Aug 98, according to the current (Aug 97) _Numismatist_. Regards, Bob Fritsch mailto:rfritsch@concentric.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com Subject: (elongates) How Elongate dies are made? Date: 08 Aug 1997 11:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Hi All; How are the dies made??? Are they drawn and reduced? Acid etched? Inquiring minds need to know! :-) How do they make them so durable? Thanks and Happ Collecting -Bob Hoff TEC # 2033 and Anastasia TEC # 2121J ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Slavens Subject: Re: (elongates) German Import Date: 08 Aug 1997 09:44:18 -0700 (PDT) At 03:48 PM 8/7/97 -0700, you wrote: Matt, You might try http://www.itools.com/ and use their research capability. They have a translation feature that will translate foreign words to english. Ken Slavens TEC# 2116 Seattle, WA >Hi all! > My parents just returned from 3 weeks in Germany a few hours >ago. They found one elongate for me. It is a horizontal design rolled >on a brass coin (I think it is a 5 pfenning, have to check later for >sure). Anyway, they got it in the north of Germany. Here is the >description: > >MS. WAPPEN VON HAMBURG (at the top) > >design of a cruise style ship and some interesting rock formations to the >right. > >HELGOLAND - DIENST (at bottom) > >Standard dot border. No start slot, but there is a "heel" on one end >where the coin is grabbed by the die. The coin is infact a bit egg >shaped and not perfectly eliptical. The design actually compensates for >this slight shape variance. Fairly well detailed design, yet it is not >very "high relief". The coin is very similar to my other German >elongates that I got when I visited the country two years ago. You can >read all about them in a back issue of TEC News in my article entitled: >"German Elongates". Perhaps if enough people were interested I could >transcribe that article to the list. > WHOA! I just realized that I've had 4 articles published in TEC >News, but I swear I only have like 1 award coin, maybe 2. I'm sure I >missed getting one along the line, though I received my due credit in the >newsletter. I'm not really worried about it. > Any European collectors on this list that could supply all us >North American folks with coins? Oh, also, I don't speak nor read a word >of German, so I can only tell you that HELGOLAND is the island in the >North Sea that my parents visited. The desing is horizontal oriented. >Anyone care to translate? > >Matt Birchard >TEC #1848 >Portland, Oregon >USA > >e-mail: psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu > > > > > > > > Ken Slavens kslavens@halcyon.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tony dinto Subject: (elongates) How elongates dies Date: 08 Aug 1997 17:10:55 +0000 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote: > > Hi All; > > How are the dies made??? Are they drawn and reduced? Acid etched? Inquiring > minds need to know! :-) How do they make them so durable? > > Thanks and Happ Collecting > > -Bob Hoff > TEC # 2033 > and > Anastasia > TEC # 2121J You could make a set of dies by engraving a mirror image into "tool steel". This type of steel is hard, but can be cut with the proper tools, i.e Carbide, or diamond. The plant where I work makes dies to cut saw blades along these lines, but they use punch presses, that load automaticaly. The pennies you get are made on rolling mills. You can buy them for less than $1,000, but then you need to make the dies. Tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert Creighton Subject: Re: (elongates) How elongates dies Date: 08 Aug 1997 14:37:32 -0700 On 8/8/97 10:10 AM tony dinto (stanton@eci.com ) wrote > The pennies you get are made on rolling mills. You can buy them for >less than $1,000, but then you need to make the dies. >Tony Hi Tony, Less a $1000! This is NEWS! Where do we find them for this price? Many of use have looked at hand built machines in the $2000 and up (mostly up) range. Where do we look for the machines you mention, what are they called, how do we buy the steel for the dies? Thanks for any further info! Bert Creighton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tony dinto Subject: (elongates) Rolling mill Date: 08 Aug 1997 17:42:37 +0000 To all, The first company I would try is Rio Grande of Albuquerque. Same town forgot the whole address. P.H.Gesswein 255 Hancock Ave Bridgeport Ct. 06805 The catalogs are about $10.00, ask them for the Jewelry one. The steel: Local machine shop, But do not let them soak you. Tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tony dinto Subject: (elongates) Rolling Mill Date: 08 Aug 1997 17:54:54 +0000 Hi, Did not know that you were looking for the rolling mills. Bad day to find it out. Would someone please send a reminder to me Monday morning, The company I work for deals with a lot of Jewelry supply houses, and I can find out a few things. They may have to be worked on to get them to work for that purpose, but I do not think it would be that hard. Getting someone to make the dies seems to me to be the biggest problem. Tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Egd9020@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) German Import Date: 08 Aug 1997 23:51:44 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-07 20:54:29 EDT, you write: << MS. WAPPEN VON HAMBURG (at the top) design of a cruise style ship and some interesting rock formations to the right. HELGOLAND - DIENST (at bottom) >> "Wappen" is a coat of arms....presumably from the town of Hamburg... "Dienst" refers to "service", it could be a military reference.. I don't speak German, I only took 2 years of it and forgot it all... but lucky enough I had this dictionary! I hope this helps! Liz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ... <...> Subject: (elongates) I might be fading away....again! Date: 09 Aug 1997 08:57:34 -0500 Well, guys! I guess things on the Penny Page are all messed up again! = Something has happened with my service provider and they've got it all = screwed up. I'm not even sure if you are getting this e-mail or if I'm = getting all the club's emails. It seems like the emails have slowed = down, too. In order to get to the Penny Page you'll have to use this address for = now: www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/index.htm Thanks! Kathy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) Knotts Berry Farm (was: locations) Date: 09 Aug 1997 13:43:25 -0700 (PDT) On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, zinful wrote: > Anyways, I discovered that at Knotts Berry Farm there is a machine in a > candy store (the free part that is located just outside the entrance). It > is a 3 in 1 machine. > > Anyone interested? > I'm definetly interested. Actually, since I'm planning on spending the entire weekend in LA fro the DL meet on the 7th, I may just cruise by KBS for a short while on Saturday and do some penny shopping. Anyone know how much admission is? How late they're open? Anyone wanna go Saturday evening? Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: (elongates) members list Date: 09 Aug 1997 14:00:42 -0700 (PDT) On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote: > It is a simple matter (in fact a feature within majordomo) to get a full > list of all our emails. You can tell majordomo to hid your name. Peraps Actually, I know of no way to hide individual names within the s*bscriber list. Currently this list is only available to members of the list. I have the option of setting it up so that the entire list is available to anyone (open), s*bscribers only (list), or no one (closed). If anyone would prefer that I switch this from 'list' to 'closed', then let me know and if enough people care then I will do so. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) members list Date: 09 Aug 1997 14:03:58 -0700 (PDT) On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote: > Please let us know the resolution to this. Thanks. Russ was not looking for a the e-mail addresses of list members, but rather for the TEC membership list. His concern was that his name would be distributed against his will. Especially since (for reasons unknown) he has decided not to continue as a TEC member. I have assured him this will not be the case. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: Re: (elongates) German Import Date: 09 Aug 1997 14:16:10 -0700 (PDT) On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote: > Hi all! > My parents just returned from 3 weeks in Germany a few hours > ago. They found one elongate for me. It is a horizontal design rolled I wish my folks could find machines overseas. They manage to locate them when they travel within the US, but whenever they go to Europe they never seem to find any even if I tell them where to look 8-( > very "high relief". The coin is very similar to my other German > elongates that I got when I visited the country two years ago. You can > read all about them in a back issue of TEC News in my article entitled: > "German Elongates". Perhaps if enough people were interested I could > transcribe that article to the list. I, for one, would love to see this article. I have, thus far, been unable to find a way to get back issues of TECN. > WHOA! I just realized that I've had 4 articles published in TEC > News, but I swear I only have like 1 award coin, maybe 2. I'm sure I > missed getting one along the line, though I received my due credit in the > newsletter. I'm not really worried about it. Someone (I forget who) told me recently that they also did not receive their contributor coins from the previous TECN editor. If he's still active in the club, perhaps you could try to reach him and clea this up. More than likely it's a lost cause a this point especially with Howard having to step down as Secretary. I still don't know who the new Secretary is, but odds are a fair amount of info will be 'lost' during the changeover. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) Nash Date: 09 Aug 1997 14:17:41 -0700 (PDT) On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote: > big regional car meet. I own a 1959 Nash Metropolitan and my local Matt, Have you checked out Bill Kornoelje's web site? I believe he has a Nash elongate. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) members list Date: 09 Aug 1997 17:32:52 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-09 17:06:31 EDT, you write: > On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote: > > > Please let us know the resolution to this. Thanks. > > Russ was not looking for a the e-mail addresses of list members, > but rather for the TEC membership list. His concern was that his name > would be distributed against his will. Especially since (for reasons > unknown) he has decided not to continue as a TEC member. I have assured him > this will not be the case. > I feel I should post a possible reason why some people would rather not have their names released. I don't speak for any one person but just generally. Many people that collect "coins" are affraid that someone will try to steal the coins. Theives may use a list of collectors as a way of finding out where "collectors" live. In most cases, collectors put coins of value in a safe deposit box. But, if a theif should drop in for a "visit" the theif may not believe that the coins are off-sight. Which avoids the problem of theft, yet makes for another problem. I don't think this would be a problem for most of us. I would think that most theives would not be interested in pennies, much less ones that are smashed :-). But, there maybe people that are worried about that possiblity. I believe that permission should be asked before publishing a list of *home* addresses. My pressed cents worth :-), -Bob Hoff TEC #2033 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) Public/Private information (was members list) Date: 09 Aug 1997 15:24:42 -0700 (PDT) On Sat, 9 Aug 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote: > I feel I should post a possible reason why some people would rather not have > their names released. I don't speak for any one person but just generally. > I don't think this would be a problem for most of us. I would think that > most theives would not be interested in pennies, much less ones that are > smashed :-). But, there maybe people that are worried about that possiblity. Actually, Dottie Dow (TEC #1, author of the the first book on elongates and co-author of the second, etc...) had her collection stolen. There was no indication, that I'm aware of, that she was targeted as a coin collector, but rather was robbed and they took her collection as well. Thieves are unlikely to be aware of the purpose or value of elongates, but the manner in which they are stored by collectors would most likely lead the uninitiated to consider them valuable. Especially if they are stored near other, traditional, coin collections. Personally, I have never worried about being robbed as I know there is nothing I can do to prevent it. If it should happen to me I assure you I will be very upset, but these are just things and have no true value to life itself. They can all be replaced in some way. But, if it is a concern of yours, the odds of your elongates being stolen are essentially the same as anything else you own. > I believe that permission should be asked before publishing a list of *home* > addresses. The information on the membership list that I intend to distribute upon receipt is public knowledge. At the moment it is available for $3 from the TEC Secretary, I simply intend to make it available for free. Bert and I recently had a discussion about this very topic. My feelings are simple: If information is already available to the public then there is no reason to post it to the internet. Anything published in a publication (such as TECN) is public information, including home addresses and telephone numbers. I have not and will not distributed information that was given to me in private correspondence (snail or electronic). However, if the information is published on a web page, mailing list, or paper publication, then it is available publicly. The information on how to receive the TEC Mmbership list was published in TECN. This newsletter is sent not only to members, but distributed by request and at shows to anyone who asks. Additionally, members have the option of checking a box asking that their information not be made available to others on their application. Your thoughts on this are both welcome and encouraged. Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) Mail List Traffic Date: 09 Aug 1997 15:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Greetings & Salutations! Several people have asked me if there have been problems at Xmission with the mailing list. Traffic has decreased quite a bit in the last week or two. I beleve that the main reason for this reduced traffic is the basic ebb and flow that naturally occur in any long term 'discussion'. However, I have sent about a half dozen messages to the list over the last two hours as I caught up with my e-mail for the week and have only received one of those messages back from the list. This leads me to believe that there are, indeed, problems at XMission. I'm not sure what I can do about this, but have notified my service rep there. He has not been very prompt to respond in the past, but I will let you all know should he do so. For the time being I would appreciate your help. When you send a message to the list, please send a cc: to me (aahz@svpal.org). This way I can track what is actually going out on the list as opposed to what is being submitted. Your help is appreciated and hopefully we can get this cleared up as quickly as possible Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-elongates@xmission.com Date: 09 Aug 1997 16:43:26 -0600 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) Silver Dime elongates Date: 09 Aug 1997 15:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Greetings and Salutations! Recently came across some elongated silver dimes. There are seven of them avasilable for $5.95 each postpaid at: http://members.aol.com/cfowler429/index.htm Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Aahz Subject: (elongates) Oldies at eBay (fwd) Date: 09 Aug 1997 17:22:20 -0700 (PDT) My apologies if you receive this twice, but I have not yet received it back from the list, so am trying again. If this IS the second time you've received this, please let me know. Aahz ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Cc: Chris Aahz Greetings and Salutations! Ken Barr (ken@kenbarr.com) is offering three of "Yesterday's" elongates on eBay. Ken is a great guy who I have purchased many coins from and have never had anything but satisfaction with. The three elongates he's offering are: item #dis350896 - CAL-l.a-2 1932 L.A. Olympics image of discus thrower, "Xth Olympiad/19/32/Los Angeles" item #hcu78418 - SHIPS-6 image of ship, "Old Ironsides/Launched 1797" item #fih3606 - NYWF(2)-6 image of Ford Building, "New York/World's Fair" On 1940 Canadian Cent Peace, Aahz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "..." <...> Subject: (elongates) Trades Date: 09 Aug 1997 21:35:50 -0500 I've been to the Fort Worth Zoo! I've got some coins to trade. Please let me know if you are interested. For those who already have the Ft Worth Zoo collection, there is a new design: Mearcat By the way, The Penny Page has been fixed for now anyways. Just thought I'd let everyone know. Kathy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tclh@hilconet.com Subject: Re: (elongates) members list Date: 09 Aug 1997 23:27:58 -0500 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-08-09 17:06:31 EDT, you write: > > > On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote: > > > > > Please let us know the resolution to this. Thanks. > > > > Russ was not looking for a the e-mail addresses of list members, > > but rather for the TEC membership list. His concern was that his name > > would be distributed against his will. Especially since (for reasons > > unknown) he has decided not to continue as a TEC member. I have assured > him > > this will not be the case. > > > > I feel I should post a possible reason why some people would rather not have > their names released. I don't speak for any one person but just generally. > > Many people that collect "coins" are affraid that someone will try to steal > the coins. Theives may use a list of collectors as a way of finding out > where "collectors" live. In most cases, collectors put coins of value in a > safe deposit box. But, if a theif should drop in for a "visit" the theif may > not believe that the coins are off-sight. Which avoids the problem of theft, > yet makes for another problem. > > I don't think this would be a problem for most of us. I would think that > most theives would not be interested in pennies, much less ones that are > smashed :-). But, there maybe people that are worried about that possiblity. > > I believe that permission should be asked before publishing a list of *home* > addresses. > > My pressed cents worth :-), > > -Bob Hoff > TEC #2033 Hello all, I think that Bob has done an excellent job of stating what I was thinking. Using a P.O. Box can add to ones peace of mind. I have used one for several years now, and it has been worth every penny :-) Trey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Fritsch Subject: (elongates) NENA Show, 22-23 Aug Date: 10 Aug 1997 06:07:59 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------585046F5696 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Regards, Bob Fritsch mailto:rfritsch@concentric.net --------------585046F5696 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="Flyer.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Flyer.txt" THE NEW ENGLAND NUMISMATIC ASSOCIATION presents its 53RD CONFERENCE AND CONVENTION and NEW ENGLAND '97 at the Royal Plaza Trade Center Route 20 Marlborough, Massachusetts Friday, August 22, 1997, 10AM - 6PM Saturday, August 23, 1997, 9AM - 4PM Keynote Speaker: Anthony Swiatek, ANA "Mr. Elongated", Ray Dillard, will be on hand to squash pennies 225 tables in the bourse Competitive Exhibits What-Is-It? Table YN Program Special show rate of $79 at Best Western Royal Plaza 508/460-0700 Monday - Friday daytime Members are encouraged to enter an exhibit and to participate in helping with the show  --------------585046F5696-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary C. and Ben L." Subject: Re: (elongates) My 2 Cents - Join TEC Date: 10 Aug 1997 14:52:16 -0400 Chris Aahz wrote: > > On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote: > > > the growth. The hallmark of this list has been very active participation. > > We need that same interactivity in TEC. TEC has a wealth of information > > and a national (international?) membership. Now is the time to join and > > take the organization to a new level! > > Bert has hit the nail right on the head! Interactivity is what > I, for one, am trying to bring to TEC. Even with an official web page, > the wealth of knowledge that older and long-term members have will not > make it online. As someone pointed out, one meeting and four newsletters > a year does not spread much information. But considering the low > attendence at that one meeting I highly doubt more could be supported. > And the newsletter should be going bi-monthly. This will certainly help > spread more information. But in order to do this we need participation. > We can all sit around on the 'net 24/7 but this won't get us in contact > with people like Dottie Dow (TEC #1). Being active in TEC offline as > well as on will do just that. > > > >Penny Pen Pals sounds fun. There's something to be said for > > >anticipation. It's part of what makes a hobby like this enjoyable. > > > > > > > I agree fully! Aahz, can we put something on the list that helps list > > members start Penny Pen Pals with non list members! The power of this > > list can join with the wealth of knowledge of long time TEC'ys. If we get > > some great information in our Pen Pal letters, we could each post it to > > the list for everyone here to share. It also becomes archived that way, > > searchable by anyone that wants to look through it. > > Hmmmm....Penny Pen Pals is Anita Zell's baby. It's one of her > large contributions to ECs. I'm not going to be a part of taking it away > from her. Any TEC member can join PPP, just write Anita. I believe > there will be an article about it in the next TECN. > > > Corey may come to our Disneyland meeting. I hope he does. I want to brain > > storm with him on how we can ensure the free pennies can be attached > > securely, and how we can communicate with older (time in membership, not > > age) members of TEC. I want to scope out a couple of articles that we all > > can start writing for TEC news... > > This is the key! The 'net is all about communication. So let's > use this forum to communicate and come up with bigger and better ideas > that can applied to our hobby. If TEC is ever going to meet your needs, > now is the time to join and help mold its future. > > > TEC application and send it in. Actually, hold it a few days until Willy > > can tell us who to send it to... > > I WANT ELECTION RESULTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > We're talking about a $10.00 fee, and a couple of letters a year to be > > active in an organization that IS growing, IS getting new net-savvy > > members, and IS going to meet the needs and interests of many members. We > > techy-TECs have a lot to offer... Let's get started! > > In the immortal word of John Belushi: > > "Leeeeeeeet's Doooooo Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittt!!!!" > Did we give up when the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor? NO! (Hope ya'll saw this movie...) Ben > Peace, > > Aahz > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist > The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder > List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com) > Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm > "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com Subject: Re: (elongates) My 2 Cents - Join TEC Date: 10 Aug 1997 18:17:57 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-10 15:02:37 EDT, you write: > Did we give up when the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor? NO! > > (Hope ya'll saw this movie...) > Do you mean when the *Russians* bombed Pearl Harbor??? :-) Still hangin' in there, -Bob Hoff TEC#2033 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tink!!!" Subject: Re: (elongates) Knotts Berry Farm (was: locations) Date: 10 Aug 1997 15:41:37 -0700 > I'm definetly interested.