From: "Jane Fondle" Subject: Re: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, October 31 Date: 01 Nov 1999 09:10:33 EST >From: "n.e.u. / Moritz R" > > > Heino: Blaue Dragoner "Hey Capello" > >Heino as a Halloween monster, that's cool. > >Mo > I dressed as Heino for Halloween three years ago! Talk about scarrreeeee...This year: Mrs. Emma Peel. What did y'all dress as? Jane Fondle ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: Re: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, October 31 Date: 01 Nov 1999 06:45:07 -0800 (PST) --- Jane Fondle wrote: \ I dressed as Heino for Halloween three years ago! Talk about > scarrreeeee...This year: Mrs. Emma Peel. > What did y'all dress as? > Morgus, The Magnificant Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thinkmatic@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Cool & Strange -Wanderley Date: 01 Nov 1999 10:06:26 EST While standing in line at a public lavatory, I noticed a copy of "Cool & Strange Music Magazine" , peaking out of the back pocket of the gentlemen in front of me. Unknowingly to the stranger I filched his magazine and scanned the table of contents. There was an article on Walter Wanderley, by Jeff Vorzimmer. It seemed promising, so I found it and read. The article was brief, informative and well written. The thing that was mystifying was the photo of Wanderley on the first page of the article. It's a large bust shot taken from the cover of the Wanderley/Gilberto album "A Certain Smile...", the problem is and please tell me if I'm wrong (that's a given), but the picture is of Wanderley's bass player, Jose Marino. Marino was a notorious cross-dresser. He frequently dressed up like Abbe Lane for some Wanderley performances. I recall reading that after leaving Wanderley's band Marino attempted to gain independence for the Brazilian Island of Ilha Grande, on which he became the Fascist dictator known as "El Diablo" After his death he was also found to possess the largest collection of whole frozen woolly mammoths, in existence. So let's get the facts straight, shall we. -Roy G. Biv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, October 31 Date: 01 Nov 1999 11:32:54 -0500 "Sexy vampire" is how Jim described it--yer average goth chick dragged by mama to the Jenny Jones show for a makeover ...black lace dress, several longs loops of beads, a star-scattered scarf wrapped round my hair, teased to look like Liz Taylor's on a bad evening, the usual makeup. No fangs--Jim's set was too big for my mouth. Frightened a trick or treating princess, who snatched her Milky Way and scuttled back to her papa. But some 8-year-old monster boys waved a bloody knife in salute. We had a laugh snarling at one another. Hey Jane, did yer sweetie go as Steed? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (exotica) For sale list Date: 01 Nov 1999 17:30:22 +0000 Apologies for the posting to the list. Contact me @ charles_moseley@mckinsey.com for more info. Reissues & new stuff: Beat @ Cinecitta vol 2 Io e Maria Bobby Bird - I need help Agente Speciale LK - Bruno Nicolai Bernard Purdie - Shaft Curtis Mayfield - Roots Curtis Mayfield - Curtis Funkadelic - Maggot Brain Harlem Shuffle - Blaxploitation comp Gert Wilden - I told you not to cry Old stuff: Willie Hutch - The Mack s/t Eric Soya's 17 s/t Hang em High s/t Once upon a time in America s/t I Western - Morricone comp Roy Budd - Wild Geese s/t Klaus Doldinger - Das Boot s/t Roy Budd - Paper Tiger s/t Lalo Schifrin - Rollercoaster Pizzicato 5 - Sister Freedom Martin Denny - Sayonara Arthur Lyman - Love for sale Arthur Lyman - Isle of Enchantment Arthur Lyman - Many moods of Arthur Lyman - Paradise Orfeu Negro s/t 10" (very old) Beacon Brings it to you vol 2 Ginger Baker's Airforce Lalo Schifrin - Marquis de Sade Mokees - Head s/t Bootsy - Player of the year Dimitri Tiomkin - 36 Hours s/t Isaac Hayes - Tough Guys s/t Bobby Womack - Across 110th Street s/t # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek Subject: Re: (exotica) 'Caravan' by Enoch Light - 2 versions? Date: 01 Nov 1999 19:15:10 +0100 Robbie Baldock wrote: > Marco wrote: > > Any clues? Is the version on Exotica Trilogy incorrectly > > credited to Light, or did he record two different versions of the song? > > There are at least five versions on Light's labels: That probably explains it, although it's still not clear which version is on The Exotic Trilogy. Thanks for the info anyway. Marco -- Marco "Kallie" Kalnenek +------------------------------------------+ Record Collector's Heaven http://weirdomusic.freeservers.com/ +------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cheryl Subject: Re: (exotica) More Scott Walker Date: 01 Nov 1999 13:36:30 -0500 A little clarification for those who might be confused about recent Scott Walker compositions. Arjan Plug wrote: > > SCOTT WALKER will curate next year's Meltdown Festival. > Another likely contender > for the Meltdown bill is Serbian composer Goran Bregovic (Walker recorded > a track called 'Man From Reno' on Goran Bregovic¹s last album ¹Ederlezi¹ > in 1998). Actually, "Ederlezi" is a compilation of tracks from various soundtracks that Bregovic has done. The Walker track is from a french film called "Toxic Affair", and is probably about 10 years old. cheryl (who would still happily attend this festival if it was anywhere near Montreal!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Cool & Strange -Wanderley Date: 01 Nov 1999 14:16:46 EST In a message dated 11/01/99 10:07:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, Thinkmatic@aol.com writes: << While standing in line at a public lavatory, I noticed a copy of "Cool & Strange Music Magazine" , peaking out of the back pocket of the gentlemen in front of me. Unknowingly to the stranger I filched his magazine and scanned the table of contents. >> I guess the guy's hands were kinda busy, huh? Good thing he didn't notice and turn around. TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Cool & Strange -Wanderley Date: 01 Nov 1999 15:23:22 EST In a message Thinkmatic@aol.com wrote: >While standing in line at a public lavatory, I noticed a copy of "Cool & > Strange Music Magazine" , peaking out of the back pocket of the gentlemen in > front of me. Are you sure it was a copy of Cool & Strange Music or was he just glad to see you?.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) RealJukebox privacy problem Date: 01 Nov 1999 23:01:10 -0500 Anyone out there running the RealJukebox program? It's just come to light that it spies on you! http://www.tbtf.com/blog/#2 m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) [obit] Minoru Chiaki Date: 02 Nov 1999 10:47:19 -0500 Minoru Chiaki http://allmovie.com/cg/x.dll?UID=10:44:55|AM&p=avg&sql=B12769 TOKYO (AP) – Minoru Chiaki, the last survivor of the actors who played the title characters in Akira Kurosawa's masterpiece, "Seven Samurai," died Monday. He was 82. Chiaki also played major roles in the famed late director's "Hidden Fortress" and "Rashomon." Chiaki joined a theater group in 1936 and started acting in movies in 1949 at Kurosawa's suggestion. Chiaki made his screen debut in Kurosawa's "Norainu" ("Stray Dog"). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Fondle Subject: (exotica) Well, Geez, SOMEBODY'S gotta post: Lowe, Rugolo, etc. Date: 02 Nov 1999 11:26:50 -0800 (PST) M.ace and I were just talkin' about how D.E.A.D. the list is right now! C'mon, Halloween is over and the everyone should be outta their crypts! So, some housecleaning items for me I've been saving for such a rainy day... First of all, I have procured an odd album('magine that) with Tom Disivelt(of that great Kid Baltan space rekkid) and a singer named Rita Reyes on Epic Records..my needle is busted, anybody know anything about this one? Second, I hope to soon interview Mundell Lowe! Background info on him would be too groovy...URLs, too. Lathly, is there a way to contact Pete Rugolo? Wow, I feel better....Jane Fondle ===== "It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter Buy the debut release from Astroslut: LOVE AT ZERO G at: http://cdalley.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jazzbaby27@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, October 31 Date: 02 Nov 1999 15:04:50 EST hey! heino is THE MAN! If you guys have some time.. please tell me your experiences with heino, where you first heard him, how many records you have etc... thanks! Johanna http://members.xoom.com/polaire/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert McKenna" Subject: (exotica) Alan Tew and bad tangos Date: 02 Nov 1999 12:36:20 PST Just a couple of buys over the weekend i have to mention, first, the songs of tom springfield in a latin style by the alan tew sound. at least one killer track that will soon be rockin dancfloors round my way. quite a bit of cheese too. thanks to geoff (i think it was) for bringing this one up, i may have passed it by otherwise. the other is 'rock and roll tangos' by the ivor raymode orchestra. mmmm. well i couldn't leave a record that purported to have a rock and roll orchestra version of 'i was kaiser bills batman' in the shop. rock it doesn't. may astor piazzola forgive my lapses in taste. 'come on dads unlock your daughters, mothers dance with your sons and prove you can 'hit the light fantastic' with the kids.....' some fun tracks which i might play at a wedding i'm djing for soon (i wouldn't normally but they asked me after hearing me djing so i couldn't really refuse could i? cheers rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jane Fondle" Subject: Re: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, October 31 Date: 02 Nov 1999 16:05:48 EST >From: Jazzbaby27@aol.com >To: exotica@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, October 31 >Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:04:50 EST > > >hey! heino is THE MAN! >If you guys have some time.. please tell me your experiences with heino, >where you first heard him, how many records you have etc... > >thanks! >Johanna >http://members.xoom.com/polaire/ > Now I am frightened! But I'll bite... I have 3 Heino albums (none of which I have heard all the way - they are for the covers, which are indeed glorious!) and two picture sleeve 45s....He is horrifying to listen to,but I must admit I laugh when I hear him! It's just so ridiculous that this bottom-of-the-scale Gutteral German sings songs like "In Einer Bar in Mexico" complete with "Ey' Carumba!" It's one of goofiest concepts in music. I also have this rekkid SING MIT HEINO, where he is pictured walking with a bunch of children! WOULD YOU LET YER KIDS GO TO SUMMER KAMP WITH THIS GUY??!?!?! C'MONNNNNNN! Jane Fondle ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert J. Bogart" Subject: (exotica) reply to a slow day Date: 02 Nov 1999 15:59:46 -0700 Hey Jane, I just got back from the thrift where I scored a cassette by "Ethel and the Shameless Hussies" Born to Burn. I automatically thought of you and the Astrosluts so I payed my quarter and brought it home. Is it worth playing on the ole deck? Brandoch's Used Books and Music (An On-line Bookstore) 3315 S. Main, Las Cruces, NM 88005 (505) 526-6059 URL http://www.zianet.com/rbogart/Welcome.html E-mail rbogart@zianet.com "Things are more like they are now than they ever were before" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kendoll Subject: Re: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, October 31 Date: 02 Nov 1999 17:22:48 -0700 > >hey! heino is THE MAN! > >If you guys have some time.. please tell me your experiences with heino, > >where you first heard him, how many records you have etc... > > > >thanks! > >Johanna I have 7 Heino albums, the prize of which would have to be "Schone deutsche Heimat" with a gatefold sleeve, inside of which the previous owner glued a ticket to a Heino concert from 1983. Their first blacony seat cost them $20.75 which was a lot of green back in '83. I was disappointed that there was no autograph. I also have a Heino Christmas album -- another gatefold, with a huge pop up nativity scene. The public library has a video of 3 episodes of Heino's TV show "Sing mit Heino." He strolls around a picturesque Bavarian resort town lip-synching his songs accompanied by a chorus (sometimes a children's chorus). I must say I prefer Heino's "Latin American" "Hawaiian" & "cowboy" songs to his German folk music. Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin C." Subject: (exotica) Saw Arthur Lyman play Date: 02 Nov 1999 17:13:34 -0800 Aloha all! Back from Waikiki and many good Mai Tais. I'll have a more extensive trip report on my website within a week or two, but I gotta say it was great being in the Exotica capital of the world!! Saw the birthplace of Exotica (as I define it) by visiting the Shell Bar at the Hawaiian Village. There are frog statues in the pond outside. The Aluminum Dome has been destroyed and they are building a new tower/wing at the Hawaiian Village. (anyone who has more info on when this happened, please let me know). Got to walk on the dead ruins of Don the Beachcomber and saw the abandoned Trader Vic's. Best part was seeing Arthur Lyman perform live at the New Otani hotel. He played for about 90 mins, took requests, sounded excellent! Still seems very vibrant and fit! Again, more later... this is just a taste of what I experienced. -Kevin Crossman The Search for the Ultimate Mai Tai http://www.kevdo.com/maitai/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Trader Vic at Hollywood Square? Date: 02 Nov 1999 22:26:26 EST From the web: Who: Peter Seely is the grandson of Victor "Trader Vic" Bergeron, the legendary restaurateur and inventor of the mai tai cocktail. The job: Vice president of Trader Vic's Food Products Does anybody know if Tom Bergeron from the Hollywood Squares is related to Vic Bergeron? Tiki Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jschwart@voicenet.com Subject: (exotica) Strange, but Cool? Date: 02 Nov 1999 22:28:21 On Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:06:26 EST, Thinkmatic@aol.com wrote: >While standing in line at a public lavatory, I noticed a copy of "Cool & Strange Music Magazine" , peaking out of the back pocket of the gentlemen in front of me. Unknowingly to the stranger I filched his magazine and scanned the table of contents. There was an article on Walter Wanderley, by Jeff Vorzimmer. It seemed promising, so I found it and read. Is this a joke? Are you saying you pickpocketed somebody's $4.00 fanzine in a men's room and you are admitting it? Or you somehow just read the table of contents and then "found and read" your own copy? Does that mean you put the filched copy back, unknowingly to the stranger? Why didn't you just ask him about it? Did you feel you deserved it more than him because you perceived him as less "cool" than you (and undoubtedly less strange)? Why? Remind me not to go in any public lavatories with you! No wonder you use a pseduonym. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nat Kone Subject: (exotica) Mundell Lowe Date: 03 Nov 1999 03:06:15 -0500 I can't reply to this list anymore, only post. I guess I'm going to have to get new fake email addresses. Hotmail or some crap. Anyway, about Jane interviewing Mundell Lowe... The first time I knew his name was when I heard this Charlie Parker record. It was poorly recorded - like a lot of them - and there were no credits but the guitar playing was so amazing, I had to find out who it was. I don't usually like jazz guitar playing, especially in a bebop context but this was a different sound than the usual one. More rockin, more jagged, more aggressive. Usually I actually avoid bop records with a guitarist but this guy, whoever he was, was making me reassess that. It turned out to be Mundell Lowe. Next Mundell sighting was the "TV Action Jazz" LP, my first "crime jazz" record by a good decade or so. Long before I became obsessed with crime jazz, soundtracks and lounge, this was one of my favourite records. And I got a kick out of reading that this was the first record that Lester Bangs ever purchased. Mundell's playing on this record is not much like on the Parker record but that only made him that much more intriguing to me. Most of the lounge/crime jazz producers, arrangers and musicians we get into, have a history in jazz and/or big band but I find that very few of them did genuinely original work in their jazz days. I know that's a sweeping overstatement but I think I could back it up if I had to. I find that usually they either come into their own only when they get into soundtracks and lounge music OR they may have made interesting jazz but they don't quite "get it" when they try their hands at the loungy or Now Sound stuff. Stan Getz may be an exception. Check out his all-Bacharach record, for one. I love Bud Shank but I think his best work, by far, is in his Now Sound period. But Mundell was an original voice both in the "real jazz" world and in the stuff we know him for. I haven't really heard the Billy Jack thing he did. I have the record but it's way too beat up to get a sense. Anyway, when you interview Mundell, tell him someone went on a search to find out who was playing on this Charlie Parker record. And if someone wants to take issue with my notion of "real jazz", fine. I'm not a jazz snob anymore but the idea still has meaning for me. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "®" Subject: Re: (exotica) Well, Geez, SOMEBODY'S gotta post Date: 03 Nov 1999 12:02:48 +0100 Jane Fondle wrote: > M.ace and I were just talkin' about how D.E.A.D. the > list is right now! C'mon, Halloween is over and the > everyone should be outta their crypts! All too true.. well, in my case, I've been a bit disappointed about how little to no responses I get for topics I bring up lately. It even adds up to this frustration when posts pop up with the exact same content that I already posted a few weeks/months earlier as if they are completely new. It happens quite often! To make a long complain short: I have the impression that most active people on the list like to write better than to read what others have written. And I can't even entirely exclude myself from this comment. It's just so time-consuming. Often I find myself extremely indifferent towards names I haven't heard before. It's unlike finding a record you haven't heard before,because you can listen to it. So as long as we used to discuss the artists and records we all knew before, it was OK, but we're through these long ago. Now it's all new names all the time. You can't discuss it, if you don't know it. Only if someone takes time to really describe in detail what s/he's talking about - like Nat sometimes makes records come alive just by talking about them - it sort of works with this list. But THAT's time-consuming! I'm sure I'd like this list better if it was possible to include little sound clips and pics in the messages, ...to finally answer a poll-question asked 2 years ago! I know there are lists who can do that with a certain program. perplex :-| Mo ................................................................................................................... http://home.munich.netsurf.de/Moritz.Reichelt/masterpieces.html *NEW* exhibition of works by Sabina-Maria van der Linden # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ton Rueckert Subject: (exotica) LOUIS FARRAKHAN SING ALONG Date: 03 Nov 1999 12:52:44 +0100 From Salon's Nothing Personal: Before he was a Nation of Islam leader, Louis Farrakhan was Louis Eugene Walcott, calypso singer. And according to Bostrox Records spokeswoman Zoe Warner, he was pretty good. "He's just a really talented calypsonian," she says. Now, thanks to a reissue of lost Farrakhan Charmertunes (circa 1953-54) from Bostrox, you can enjoy the controversial minister, who was then known as "The Charmer," singing songs like "Is She Is, Or Is She Ain't" (about the mysteries of transsexualism), "Don't Touch Me Nylon" and "Female Boxer." They're all right here! And according to the album notes, they're better than Belafonte: "Where Belafonte was the consummate 'nice' performer, The Charmer would gyrate and fill his songs with double-entendres." http://www.fadetoblack.com/farrakhan/ *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** Ton Rueckert Mozartstraat 12 5914 RB Venlo The Netherlands *** *** mojoto@plex.nl http://www.plex.nl/~mojoto Ph 31/0 773545386 *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ Beware! 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Your bones are going to be disconnected. ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/4264/music/Xbe3975.ram ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thinkmatic@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Cool & Strange -Wanderley, HELP Date: 03 Nov 1999 08:43:39 EST OK the part about me robbing an unsuspecting stranger, who was in a state of bladder urgency may have been fictitious. And there may be some factual inconsistency in my history of Jose Marino. The admittedly convoluted point I was attempting to make was that in the Nov. '99 issue of Cool & Strange Music Magazine, the large photo of Wanderley (and the only photo of him accompanying the article) is not actually Wanderley at all, but Jose Marino. Now upon further cross-referencing I believe the person is Claudio Slon, Wanderley's Drummer. Could any of you Wanderley, Mendes fans confirm. The big glasses wearing fellow is Slon, yes? Quick history of Claudio Slon: -Slon was the first Brazilian to circumnavigate the globe in a dirigible constructed of prophylactics inflated with intestinally, self produced, hydrogen. -While performing with Sergio Mendes, Slon would only drum if there was a live anaconda (Eunectes murinus) coiled up in his drum kit. -Slon was arrested for public nudity in every American city that he ever performed in, except Ogden, Utah. Lets keep the facts straight, musical history depends on us. -Roy G. Biv (too much of a coward to tell you my real name) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jane Fondle" Subject: : Re: (exotica) LOUIS FARRAKHAN SING ALONG Date: 03 Nov 1999 09:31:23 EST Wow! This is certainly, uh, news! I have seen the vinyl go for $125....now I can scour the used CD bins for this in a couple years! Jane Fondle > > >From Salon's Nothing Personal: > > > > > >Before he was a Nation of Islam leader, Louis Farrakhan was Louis > > >Eugene Walcott, calypso singer. And according to Bostrox Records > > >spokeswoman Zoe Warner, he was pretty good. "He's just a really > > >talented calypsonian," she says. > > > > > >Now, thanks to a reissue of lost Farrakhan Charmertunes (circa 1953-54) > > >from Bostrox, you can enjoy the controversial minister, who was > > >then known as "The Charmer," singing songs like "Is She Is, Or Is > > >She Ain't" (about the mysteries of transsexualism), "Don't Touch > > >Me Nylon" and "Female Boxer." They're all right here! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) [obits]Hilary Tjader Harris,Theodore R. Scott Date: 03 Nov 1999 09:46:06 -0500 November 3, 1999 Hilary Tjader Harris, 69, Sculptor and Experimental Filmmaker By STEPHEN HOLDEN, NYTimes Hilary Tjader Harris, an experimental and documentary filmmaker and kinetic sculptor, died on Oct. 26 at Mount Sinai Medical Center in Manhattan. He was 69. The cause was kidney failure, said David Hollister, a friend and collaborator, adding that Harris had contracted an undiagnosed illness three years ago in Central America. A filmmaker influenced by the work of Laszlo Moholy-Nagy, Harris explored the possibilities of abstract motion in two early short films, "Longhorns" (1951) and "Generation" (1956). His third film, "Highway," used a rock 'n' roll score to accompany fast-moving images filmed from a speeding car on highways and bridges around New York City. The work received a bronze medal at the Brussels International Experimental Film Festival in 1958 and led to an offer from the Scottish Film Board to direct a documentary on shipbuilding on the Clyde River in Glasgow. That film, "Seawards the Great Ships," won an Academy Award for best short subject in 1962. In the 60's and 70's Harris had a studio in Greenwich Village, where he made experimental, documentary, industrial and animated films. One, "Nine Variations on a Dance Theme" (1966), a study of the dancer Bettie de Jong, received prizes at several film festivals. Harris was a pioneer in the development of time-lapse photography, which was the basic technique of his 1975 film, "Organism." It compared the patterns of activity in New York City to the rhythms of nature. In the 1980's he moved to Woodstock, N.Y., where he designed and built his own house, shaped like a spaceship, and worked at designing a computer-oriented "drawing machine." He was still working on this invention when he became ill. He is survived by his third wife, Dena Crane, and by two daughters, Branwyn and Rhana, and a son, Morgan, from his previous marriage to Maxine Barnes Rochlin. Theodore R. Scott HONOLULU (AP) – Theodore R. "Ted" Scott, a former Honolulu radio personality and actor, died Thursday in Redlands, Calif. He was 85. Scott came to Hawaii in 1950 as a radio announcer for station KULA and worked for various stations over the years. He was a co-founder of the Windward Theatre Guild in the early 1950s and starred in many of its productions. He also was a member of the Screen Actors Guild and appeared in numerous television series and movies made in Hawaii. At one time, he was a supporting character in the "Hawaii Five-O" series. Survivors include two daughters and three grandchildren. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian Karasick" Subject: (exotica) Re: Heino Date: 03 Nov 1999 10:04:12 -0500 Johanna wrote: > >hey! heino is THE MAN! > >If you guys have some time.. please tell me your experiences with heino, > >where you first heard him, how many records you have etc... We actually have two Heino rcords... One from "before" where he has the clean Heintje look, and the other "after" complete with the hairdo and sunglasses. I figure that's about enough since they are musically both quite horrible. Oh, and a couple of frightening videos on a "That's Irritainment" tape from WFMU. What's more frightening though is that Moritz insists Heino is far from the scariest member of the German 70's music scene... I'm anxious to see more!!! Brian Karasick Physical Planner McGill University Montreal, Canada # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Heino Date: 03 Nov 1999 19:01:58 +0100 Brian Karasick wrote: > We actually have two Heino rcords... One from "before" where he has > the clean Heintje look, and the other "after" complete with the > hairdo and sunglasses. Heintje is not Heino! They both are scary though. Marco -- Marco "Kallie" Kalnenek +------------------------------------------+ Record Collector's Heaven http://weirdomusic.freeservers.com/ +------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kendoll Subject: Re: (exotica) Cool & Strange -Wanderley, HELP Date: 03 Nov 1999 11:41:05 -0700 > -Slon was arrested for public nudity in every American city that he ever > performed in, except Ogden, Utah. I was at that Ogden show, hoping to catch a glimpse of Mr. Slon's anaconda. Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Well, Geez, SOMEBODY'S gotta post Date: 03 Nov 1999 13:49:24 -0500 >All too true.. well, in my case, I've been a bit disappointed about how little >to no responses I get for topics I bring up lately. It even adds up to this >frustration when posts pop up with the exact same content that I already >posted a few weeks/months earlier as if they are completely new. It happens >quite often! You're a man ahead of your time! ;o) >To make a long complain short: I have the impression that most >active people on the list like to write better than to read what others have >written. Not me! I read it all. But much of the time, I have nothing worthwhile to add (maybe never! :-O). Or I may have something to add, but just don't have the time to formulate it. >I'm sure I'd like this list better if it was possible to include little sound >clips and pics in the messages, ...to finally answer a poll-question asked 2 >years ago! I know there are lists who can do that with a certain program. I have to respectfully disagree on this. Sending attachments through a listserver has always been considered bandwidth-burning, rude netiquette. Personally, I don't have the bandwidth to deal with scads of attachment files squeezing through my modem. And folks who access the list through work accounts would certainly be in trouble. I think it's better to post the files to one's own webspace and simply provide a link in the post. That way those who wish to pursue it can do so, and those who don't aren't burdened. Some of us have been doing that already. But looking at the jumbly time stamps on our recent posts, I wonder if our quiet spell was partially a technical problem rather than simply everyone shutting up. Lazlo? m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "®" Subject: Re: (exotica) Well, Geez, SOMEBODY'S gotta post Date: 03 Nov 1999 23:09:45 +0100 m.ace wrote: > >I'm sure I'd like this list better if it was possible to include little sound > >clips and pics in the messages, ...to finally answer a poll-question asked 2 > >years ago! I know there are lists who can do that with a certain program. > > I have to respectfully disagree on this. Sending attachments through a > listserver has always been considered bandwidth-burning, rude netiquette. I've seen this technology on a site of Howard Rheingold (remember Mondo 2000?). I can't remember the name of that program they use. The thing is, that the program apparently transfers all attachments to a size so small, that the daily postings load quite fast. The pics don't have to be big; they are just in there to make a point clearer, they actually save a hundred words often. So, the amount of time that is needed to download the list is easily saved when reading it. I mean, why explain in length how this or that newly found extremely rare thrift shop record sounds like if you can attach a few seconds of the most typical song on it? Believe me: It works. They actually chat online with it. I'll find out the name of the program for you. > Personally, I don't have the bandwidth to deal with scads of attachment > files squeezing through my modem. And folks who access the list through > work accounts would certainly be in trouble. I think it's better to post > the files to one's own webspace and simply provide a link in the post. That > way those who wish to pursue it can do so, and those who don't aren't > burdened. Some of us have been doing that already. Its a way to do it, but a bit complicated and if you follow all the links, you will spend quite some time online as well. The attachments of the Rheingold list are all on the same list server that your on anyway when you read the postings, you're actually on the homepage of the link already, so to say. That makes it quick. I think the sound files and Java-scripts etc. don't download until you want it. So you get what you want like you say. Well... machines are getting faster and faster, band widths getting better every day. In a few years this will not be a point of discussion anymore; as you say: >You're a man ahead of your time! ;o) I know Mo ................................................................................................................... http://home.munich.netsurf.de/Moritz.Reichelt/masterpieces.html *NEW* exhibition of works by Sabina-Maria van der Linden, the sexiest artist in the world # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nat Kone Subject: (exotica) the overpowering web of romance Date: 03 Nov 1999 18:47:54 -0500 Liner notes time again... From "Soft and Smooth" by the Buddy Milton Quartet, a surprisingly Dennyesque LP on Tropicana. The subtitle reads "The Buddy Milton Quartet plays romantic music for those times when all else seems to fail" "She's in the other room changing into something more comfortable. Between moments of excited nervousness you've managed to turn off most of the lights. Should you risk that last one? Oh well, it's all or nothing now; and besides, the firelight will be enough. You open the curtains. There sprawling below is the city... breathtaking, seductive. Momentarily you panic, realizing you're caught in the overpowering web of romance. You steady yourself with a gulp of the martini and pour another for her. Suddenly you remember... the music! And none too soon, for as you snap on the hi-fi and the record starts to turn, the door opens and there she is. The most beautiful woman you've ever laid eyes on... and she's all yours. The music swells as she glides toward you, soft and smooth...." (by Oliver Berliner) There's also a little paragraph about the babe on the cover.... "So you're wondering about her, huh? Well the fascinating lady in Morgan Lee's cover picture is "Miss Denmark", Greta Thyssen, whose tantalizing 38-21-36 inches are so magnificently disbursed over a 5' 5", 112 pound chassis..." Is that good? I never did figure out how to interpret measurements. I guess nowadays they would have added cup size. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Br. Cleve" Subject: Re: (exotica) the overpowering web of romance Date: 03 Nov 1999 19:17:11 -0500 Nat wrote- >>From "Soft and Smooth" by the Buddy Milton Quartet - >"So you're wondering about her, huh? Well the fascinating lady in Morgan >Lee's cover picture is "Miss Denmark", Greta Thyssen, whose tantalizing >38-21-36 inches are so magnificently disbursed over a 5' 5", 112 pound >chassis..." I believe Greta's biggest claim to fame was appearing in the Three Stooges last two-reeler, "Sappy Bullfighters" (1959) woo woo woo br cleve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) the overpowering web of romance Date: 03 Nov 1999 20:03:20 EST In a message dated 11/3/99 6:44:25 PM, bruno@yhammer.com wrote: >38-21-36 inches are so magnificently disbursed over a 5' 5", 112 pound >chassis..." > >Is that good? Nat, this is good. Trust me....JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Horne" Subject: Re: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, October 31 Date: 03 Nov 1999 07:45:17 -0500 I wore my turban and leftover alien space gown as "Pudu the Magnificent". Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nat Kone Subject: (exotica) mistaken identities Date: 04 Nov 1999 00:49:49 -0500 I keep buying records, hoping for soft pop but getting folk rock instead. Or worse. Bought a record by a band called Tin Tin, mostly because I never heard of them and because there was a tune "Astral Taxi". Failed to notice that it was produced by Maurice Gibb. This huge record warehouse, the "Vinyl Museum", is going out of business here. This guy has no idea what he has and never really did. I've been scooping up scads and scads of stuff. In the last couple of months, a couple of my friends who I turned into co-dependent easy listening fanatics, have found nearly all my favourite records there. It's strange how you can be jealous of someone finding a record that you already own. I sort of thought that I had reached critical mass with this stuff but I just keep seeing stuff that I'd never even dreamed of. Unfortunately most of it is beat-up. But still I bought Sy Zentner's "The Swinging Eye", Preston Epp's "Bongo, Bongo, Bongo" and the soundtrack for the "Checkmate" TV show so I could get a sense of what I was missing. And I'm missing a lot. But Phil Kraus's (first?) record "The Percussive Phil Krause" was in good shape and apparently I still like exotic percussion records. Also ran's : Derek and Ray "The Cinema Scene Today". Ferrante and Teicher style duo with a harpsichord and an over-the-top choir. It may just be that crazed over-the-top stuff is easier to find so I'm just refashioning my tastes in that regard... Nelson Riddle "Communication" Coolish, funky record on MPS. I wonder if I could sneak some of this into an acid-jazz set... (if I ever dj'ed that is) "Orienta: The Marco Polo Adventurers". I always wanted this one. I really think I have od'ed on exotica but I'm making an exception here. Anyway, just when I thought I was essentially "finished" with this stuff and moving on to a life of cherry-picking the odd special record, this guy starts bringing stuff up from the basement and I am forced to move my old punk/new wave/rock records off the shelves and into some dark corner to make more room for Trombones Unlimited and Cyril Stapleton. As long as the stuff that looks like something IS that something. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Keith E. Lo Bue" Subject: (exotica) Upside-Down greetings! Date: 04 Nov 1999 18:09:36 +1100 Howdy, listees! Well, I've left Pittsburgh in the sooty dust and made it round the globe to my new home here in Sydney, Australia. Thanks to all of you who wished me well in the travel--it worked like a charm! Can any other Auzzie listees email me privately with their pix for the coolest vinyl haunts here in Sydney? I'm sure there's some wild new turf to cover down here, but I don't know where to start. Keeping the tiki torch alive here in the Olympic City, Keith (where you're ALL welcome to stay for free when you visit!) ********************* http://www.lobue-art.com A site devoted to the artwork and workshops of Keith E. Lo Bue ********************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ottotemp@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) tiki lamps Date: 04 Nov 1999 01:14:28 EST << and new string lights are avialable from Oriental Trading Co if you buy a case of them >> otto, can you give me their number/address? do they have a catalog and do they sell the cheap repros of tiki mugs (you know, where you buy a dozen) tiki bob ________________________________________________ they can easily be found be calling 800 info directory but I will make your life even simpler by providing that service myself Oriental Trading Co 800-228-0122 Dynasty 800-828-0810 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Fondle Subject: (exotica) Goodbye, for a bit Date: 03 Nov 1999 11:44:27 -0800 (PST) Well, friends, colleagues, listmembers, etc. I have been laid off today. Please never again use the laura.taylor@us.pwcglobal.com address. I will continue to have both my jane_fondle@hotmail.com and jane_fondle_69@yahoo.com I will be unsubscribed from exotica and bomp for awhile. Thanks, Laura ps: any astroslut questions, please contact Quinn Martian @ andrew_farmer@harvard.edu ===== "It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter Buy the debut release from Astroslut: LOVE AT ZERO G at: http://cdalley.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bag@hubris.net Subject: (exotica) Eeek! Lips. Date: 04 Nov 1999 00:17:28 +0000 Good luck, Jane on your new endeavors...whether planned for or not I am sure you will make the best of things. Jane sure helped me out in pointing out a fairly new recording label which sounds like it has control of the TIME recordings from the 1960's. Upon her suggestions, I checked out eclipse music: http://www.eclipse-music.com/ They have tried to disguise the original sources somewhat, but it isn't too difficult to pick out some winners from their cheap (albeit short) CDs. Here is what I ordered:Cafe Java Bongo, Cafe Noir, Cafe Tango Mambo, Cafe Tango Mambo, Cole Porter (from their Broadway series) and George Gershwin (also from Broadway). Irving Joseph, Al Caiola and Hugo Montenegro are represented. I will let you know what I think of them once I get them. I may even be able to tell you from which TIME releases they came from. I was order number 1350 or something like that...so they look like they can use more customers. Who knows, they may even be receptive to suggestions for reissues (although I doubt they will look anything like the original albums). The company is based in Georgia and their product looks like it is professional. Byron Byron Caloz Portland, Oregon, USA, Earth, Sol, Milky Way http://www.hubris.net/zolac The Mr. Smooth site: http://www.hubris.net/zolac/smooth # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ottotemp@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Al Martino & Jerry Vale Date: 04 Nov 1999 04:09:11 EST Live Sat/Sun March 18, 19, 2000 2 shows per day Cal State Northridge (San Fernando Valley), California call 818-785-8885 for more details # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "®" Subject: Re: (exotica) Heino Date: 04 Nov 1999 13:20:26 +0100 > Brian Karasick wrote: > > > We actually have two Heino rcords... One from "before" where he has > > the clean Heintje look, and the other "after" complete with the > > hairdo and sunglasses. > > Heintje is not Heino! They both are scary though. > Does this mean, you really thought Heino was Heintje when he was young, Brian? Just imagining this idea made me laugh so hard, it almost made my day. You really extended the concept of pop mutants to an unbelievable degree with this. So great! I'm sure the Dutch would like to know, what made a little boy from the Low Countries want to become a the weirdest promotor of militaristic German Volksmusik. I still laugh, when writing this. Just imagine the film scene in the documentation about the life of Heintje/Heino when he gets his first pair of sunglasses! So cute! Someone should really make a film; this idea is too brillant! Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nicola Battista Subject: Re: (exotica) Tura Tura Tura Date: 04 Nov 1999 15:35:02 +0100 cooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool!!!! >And speaking of websites: > >http://www.turasatana.com/ :-D sorry for the non-content of this mail... :))) bye, Nicola (Dj Batman) Battista Before it's too late... Check my Ebay auctions at: http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=djbatman@su pereva.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) [obits] Charles Dant,Ian Bannen,Keizo Saji Date: 04 Nov 1999 10:14:04 -0500 *Charles Dant KAILUA-KONA, Hawaii (AP) -- Charles ``Bud'' Dant, founder of the Hulihe`e Palace Band and a former ``Hawaii Calls' producer, died Sunday. He was 92. Dant began his musical career in 1925 with composer Hoagy Carmichael. He worked with such stars as Bing Crosby, Jack Benny and clarinet player Pete Fountain. A conductor and arranger, he formed the palace band in 1975. LONDON (AP) -- Ian Bannen, the actor who charmed movie audiences playing an Irish con artist in ``Waking Ned Devine,'' died Wednesday in a car crash in Scotland, his agent said. He was 71. Bannen's body was found in an overturned car near Loch Ness, a police spokesman said. The female driver of the car survived and was flown by air ambulance to a nearby hospital. She has not been identified. A longstanding veteran of the English and Irish theater, Bannen enjoyed a sudden bout of late-career movie success last year with ``Waking Ned Devine.'' The sleeper hit cast Bannen and David Kelly as aging Irishmen who attempt to persuade a village into claiming a lottery jackpot for themselves after the winner, Ned Devine, dies from shock. Prior film roles included a leper in the Oscar-winning ``Braveheart'' as well as appearances in ``Hope and Glory,'' ``Gorky Park,'' ``Eye of the Needle,'' and ``Bite the Bullet.'' Bannen received an Oscar nomination in 1965 for his supporting performance in Robert Aldrich's all-star ``The Flight of the Phoenix.'' He starred as one of a group of men marooned in a North African desert after a plane crash. On television, he appeared in ``The Politician's Wife'' and ``Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy.'' Born the only son of a lawyer in Lanarkshire, Scotland, Bannen served as a corporal in the army before making his stage debut in Dublin in 1947 in a play called ``Armlet of Jade.'' Early London credits included the Eugene O'Neill plays ``The Iceman Cometh'' and ``Long Day's Journey Into Night'' -- both in 1958 -- as well as an acclaimed London revival of ``A Moon For the Misbegotten,'' opposite Frances de la Tour, in 1983. Bannen appeared in the same play on Broadway the following season. He was a member of the Royal Shakespeare Company during its initial seasons in Stratford-on-Avon in the early '60s. Bannen is survived by his wife, Marilyn Salisbury. The couple had no children. *Keizo Saji TOKYO (AP) -- Keizo Saji, chairman of whiskey distiller Suntory Ltd. and one of Japan's leading industrialists, died Wednesday. He was 80. Saji was the second son of Suntory founder Shinjiro Torii and joined the company in 1945. Saji climbed the ranks at Japan's oldest and largest whiskey distiller, serving as president from 1961 to 1990. Since March 1990, Saji had been chairman. The Osaka-based company -- founded in 1899 -- also makes beer and food products. Saji was ranked as the 48th richest person in the world by Forbes magazine. His wealth was estimated at $6.7 billion. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian Karasick" Subject: (exotica) The Heino/Heintje question? Date: 04 Nov 1999 11:01:12 -0500 Moritz & Marco wrote: > > > We actually have two Heino rcords... One from "before" where he has > > > the clean Heintje look, and the other "after" complete with the > > > hairdo and sunglasses. > > Heintje is not Heino! They both are scary though. > Does this mean, you really thought Heino was Heintje when he was young, Brian? I think the two of you have created a thread that is based on a misread of what I wrote. I specifically said (see above) the Heintje 'look' ie. the 'appearance' of the clean little Dutch boy. I don't see anywhere where I mentioned they were the same person? I admit I probably didn't know until a few years back that Heintje was Dutch and I'm sure many people wouldn't see a big difference judging from their respective appearances (again the 'early' Heino). Still I do see why Moritz finds the comparison so funny as it would be as politically incorrect as say assuming Brigitte Bardot and Petula Clark were the same person! If you ask me the weirdest of all must be the guy that dreamed up the concept for Heino and judging from the songs Heino sings you KNOW this person had to be male! Still a better question for further discussion, could Heino have possiby emerged from any country other than Germany, and if so, does he have an equivalent elsewhere? Brian Karasick Physical Planner McGill University Montreal, Canada # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: Symphonic pop (was Classic REM) Date: 04 Nov 1999 14:24:57 +0100 i love my "Classic Rock" LP's by The London Philharmonic Orchestra on K-Tel: big bombastic sympho versions of Bohemian rhapsody, Life on Mars, A whiter shade of pale, Whole lotta love, Paint it black, Nights in white satin, Lucy in the sky, Sailing, Pinball wizard, Hey Joe, A day in the life, Space oddity, River deep mountain high, American trilogy... great camp. on "Rhapsody in black" they try to go soul, but with less success. i stay away however from The London Philharmonic Orchestra, who almost always add that horrible "boom-tsjak-boom-tsjak-boom-tsjak" disco beat Johan quiet@village.uunet.be | ) / \ | ) / \ | ) / \ | ) / \ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: 'Caravan' by Enoch Light - 2 versions? Date: 04 Nov 1999 14:58:25 +0100 Marco wrote: > [...] it's still not clear which version is on The Exotic Trilogy. the one from "Future Sound Shock" (Project 3 PR 5077 QD, USA, 1973) Johan quiet@village.uunet.be | ) / \ | ) / \ | ) / \ | ) / \ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nat Kone Subject: Re: (exotica) Heino Date: 04 Nov 1999 14:57:45 -0500 At 01:20 PM 11/4/99 +0100, exotica@munich.netsurf.de wrote: > >Does this mean, you really thought Heino was Heintje when he was young, Brian? >Just imagining this idea made me laugh so hard, it almost made my day. You >really extended the concept of pop mutants to an unbelievable degree with >this. I understood what Brian meant and I knew he didn't mean that Heintje grew up to become Heino. Or mutated, as the case may be. But I can understand making an association between the two of 'em. There is something about the name Heino. I don't think he'd come off as quite the freak he does if his name were Helmut or if he had a last name to go along with it. It's not just the similarities in the names or the fact that "Heintje" sounds like it means "little Heino". There's also something about the music. If you don't listen too hard - or pay much attention to the language - then Heino can sound like Heintje post voice change. It's not exactly the music; it's more the simplicity. It's actually not too difficult to find records in North America that are similar to Heintje's. Records by children singing simple "folk" songs. It's more difficult for us to find records like this by adults. We forgive children for making such records but less so with adults. Even among the vast array of Christian records, it's still not easy to find records as silly as Little Marcy's, for instance. It's not musicologically or "ethnically" correct but if you organize your records like I do, it's inevitable that you'll have your Heintje record(s) near your Heino... and I don't mean organizing by alphabetical order either. That's just a further coincidence. Having said all that, I was once playing a Heino record at the store and there was one tune I genuinely liked in a kind of quasi Nick Cave way. And I'd be curious to know how unique is Heino in the scheme of German recording artists. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin C." Subject: (exotica) "Rare" Exotica CDs - are these any good Date: 04 Nov 1999 12:16:26 -0800 Any recomendations (quality, sound) for the albums or tracks contained here: http://www.crypt.de/mailorder/strip/strip.htm Specifically the Jungle Exotica CD or this one: CD: PEREZ PRADO "VOODOO SUITE/EXOTIC SUITE" Utter fucking GENIUS reissue of this latin bongo-voodoo-jungle LP! 35 minutes of wildness PLUS the CD also includes the entire 30 minutes from the "Exotic Suite" LP... This stuff whips ass on alla that overhyped "lounge" crap (Denny, Esquivel,etc) Uh, wasn't Martin Denny on the Exotic Suite album? Any input is greatly appreciated! -Kevin Crossman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Symphonic pop (was Classic REM) Date: 04 Nov 1999 15:54:48 EST In a message dated 11/4/99 1:06:54 PM, Quiet@village.uunet.be wrote: > horrible "boom-tsjak-boom-tsjak-boom-tsjak" disco beat Horrible? the Disco sound IS the easy listening AND dancing sound of the 7T's. Think of Silvetti, Lipstique, MFSB, Salsoul Orchestra, El Coco, El Bimbo, Le Pamplemousse, Rice & Beans Orchestra and Love Unlimited Orchestra. Disco was really underground gay and black club music until people began demanding that record shops carry some of the jams they heard in clubs. Then the split: vocal groups formerly considered "soul" began to sing with more uptempo arrangements for a dancing nation. But for easy listeners, many intrumental and wordless vocals also were made, using the same disco beat. I cannot disagree more that disco was horrible. It reminds me of all the punkers in the late 7T's and early 8T's that went around whining "Disco Sucks." I even have found Lawrence Welk and Percy Faith (Theme From A Summerplace '76) using disco arrangements. Usually around here, the Disco Sucks people are the types who couldn't shake a tail feather because they're petrified of appearing gay....And that's the thing: Disco started out gay more than black. ... Jimmy/dismounting the pulpit now # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "®" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Symphonic pop (was Classic REM) Date: 04 Nov 1999 22:41:06 +0100 DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/4/99 1:06:54 PM, Quiet@village.uunet.be wrote: > > > horrible "boom-tsjak-boom-tsjak-boom-tsjak" disco beat > > Horrible? the Disco sound IS the easy listening AND dancing sound of the > 7T's. As much as I like disco myself, it is very well possible, that an unmotivated straight beat dubbed over plastic classic arrangements can suck. Neither do I see Johan's remark as a statement against disco, nor do I fancy the London Philharmonic Orchestra as anything like a funky, sexy, gay, black or whatever. So relax, Jimmy, we LOVE disco anyway! Mo ................................................................................................................... http://home.munich.netsurf.de/Moritz.Reichelt/masterpieces.html *NEW* exhibition of works by Sabina-Maria van der Linden # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: br@interport.net (B.R. Rolya) Subject: (exotica) good things at WFMU record fair Date: 04 Nov 1999 17:12:16 -0500 (EST) Shameless self-promotion follows: If you happen to be at the WFMU Record Fair in NYC this weekend (125 W. 18th St. - near 6th Ave.), please drop by the Triage Distribution table on Saturday! Aside from indie rock gems and avant-garde treasures, we'll have the following items of interest for sale: - For the first time ever on US shores, releases from France on Bertand Burgalat's label Tricatel. - The entire Lithium (France) catalogue (Dominique A, Francoiz Breut, etc.) - Don Tiki (aloha!) - "Schoolgirl Report" on Crippled Dick Hot Wax (yeah, we've got posters) - DJ Franco's "Nymphomania" compilations - all of the Desco releases (Dakataris, Lee Fields, "Revenge of Mr. Mopoji", etc.) - and while not quite exotica, there's always 16 year old Marianne Nowottny from New Jersey; "imagine Dietrich covering Tim Buckley", according to the New York Press We won't be selling them, but I know that Mr. "Ultra Chicks" will be there and will have those wonderful compilations for sale. (all of these items will soon be available via mail order as well) - BR Triage promotion - publicity - distribution 212-989-4545 br@interport.net www.triagemusic.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "®" Subject: (exotica) censorship? Date: 04 Nov 1999 23:14:16 +0100 Did this ever happen to you: Certain mails to the list don't get posted. I send them once, I send them twice, they don't arrive, while other postings I sent at the same time do arrive. Is this list censored, Laszlo? Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kingkini@tamboo.com Subject: Re: (exotica) "Rare" Exotica CDs - are these any good Date: 04 Nov 1999 16:19:41 -0600 >CD: PEREZ PRADO "VOODOO SUITE/EXOTIC SUITE" >Utter fucking GENIUS reissue of this latin >bongo-voodoo-jungle LP! 35 minutes of wildness PLUS the >CD also includes the entire 30 minutes from the "Exotic >Suite" LP... This stuff whips ass on alla that overhyped >"lounge" crap (Denny, Esquivel,etc) > >Uh, wasn't Martin Denny on the Exotic Suite album? i think the CD is comprised of Perez Prado's "Voodoo Suite" LP (with Shorty Rogers) and his "Exotic Suite of the Americas" (which is NOT the Denny/Zenter LP "Exotica Suite"). all three records are great (particularly "Voodoo Suite" IMHO) and can been seen on my website: http://www.tamboo.com/clubvelvet/lp/Selections36.html http://www.tamboo.com/clubvelvet/lp/Selections47.html http://www.tamboo.com/clubvelvet/lp/Selections103.html visit... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ King Kini's C L U B V E L V E T http://www.tamboo.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "®" Subject: Re: (exotica) The Heintje/Heino story Date: 04 Nov 1999 19:06:36 +0100 Brian Karasick wrote: > Moritz & Marco wrote: > > > > > We actually have two Heino rcords... One from "before" where he h= as > > > > the clean Heintje look, and the other "after" complete with the > > > > hairdo and sunglasses. > > > Heintje is not Heino! They both are scary though. > > Does this mean, you really thought Heino was Heintje when he was youn= g, Brian? > > I think the two of you have created a thread that is based on a misread= of what I > wrote. That's why I asked. Actually I don't mind, I like this idea too much! I w= ish I could write screen plays. I see it all before my imaginary eye... Little Heintje grows up in a very flat part of Holland. His mother wears = wooden shoes, his father is a slide-shoe maker and there is a tulip field and a = windmill behind the house. All Heintje can speak at this age is "Mama". A man from= Philips record company comes into the village and discovers him. Soon he has a N=B0= 1 charts hit with "Mama". Especially German mothers and housewifes fall in love wi= th the cute little rascal and so he runs from one success to another. Cut. Heintje is 13 now and gets into his puberty vocal change. He develop= s a very deep voice. Since he was so successful in Germany all over those years, h= e speaks perfect German, yet with a heavy Dutch accent. Standing in front of brigh= t studio lights all the time his eyes have become a bit sensible. Also his hair ha= s started to fall out, because all mothers and housewifes always caress his head wh= en they meet him at concerts. Something has to be done. His managment starts a brainstorming; what can = we do with a boy that all mothers want to huddle and cuddle, now that he has this de= ep frightening voice. Of course they decide upon a new image for Heintje, so= mething more adult. Of course the name has to be changed, since a diminuitive is = only appropriate for a little boy, so Heintje is turned into "Heino". To conne= ct to the success he had in Germany, and since Volksmusik has become a really big m= arket, the managment decides, Heino should sing German folks songs. And so it happen= s! Heino gats a blond wig to cover his baldness and wears sunglasses to be able to= stand the lime light of German television studios. His first recordings sound a lit= tle bit funny, when he sings "Schwarz-braun ist die Haselnuss" with a Dutch accen= t. But after a while he drops that accent, has success after success and gets fa= mous all over the world. He's rich and looks like the weirdest Dutch guy that ever= made it into show biz. Only sometimes, when Heino gets the Blues, he secretly drives back to his= home village in Holland behind the dam in the middle of the night, picks up so= me tulips and brings them to his old mother. She always has a big piece of Leerdame= r for him, his favorite food, and so they sit silently together, eat cheese and watc= h his latest show in German television.... > Still a better > question for further discussion, could Heino have possiby emerged > from any country other than Germany, and if so, does he have an > equivalent elsewhere? There is this Colombian guy... only difference to Heino: He doesn't sing,= instead he kills children. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "®" Subject: Re: (exotica) The Heintje/Heino story Date: 04 Nov 1999 22:17:39 +0100 Brian Karasick wrote: > Moritz & Marco wrote: > > > > > We actually have two Heino rcords... One from "before" where he h= as > > > > the clean Heintje look, and the other "after" complete with the > > > > hairdo and sunglasses. > > > Heintje is not Heino! They both are scary though. > > Does this mean, you really thought Heino was Heintje when he was youn= g, Brian? > > I think the two of you have created a thread that is based on a misread= of what I > wrote. That's why I asked. Actually I don't mind, I like this idea too much! I w= ish I could write screen plays. I see it all in front of my inner eye... Little Heintje grows up in a very flat part of Holland. His mother wears = wooden shoes, his father is a slide-shoe maker and there is a tulip field and a = windmill behind the house. All Heintje can speak at this age is "Mama". A man from= Philips record company comes into the village and discovers him. Soon he has a N=B0= 1 charts hit with "Mama". Especially German mothers and housewifes fall in love wi= th the cute little rascal and so he runs from one success to another. Cut. Heintje is 13 now and gets into his puberty vocal change. He develop= s a very deep voice. Since he was so successful in Germany all over those years, h= e speaks perfect German, yet with a heavy Dutch accent. Standing in front of brigh= t studio lights all the time his eyes have become a bit sensible. Also his hair ha= s started to fall out, because all mothers and housewifes always caress his head wh= en they meet him at concerts. Something has to be done. His managment starts a brainstorming; what can = we do with a boy that all mothers want to huddle and cuddle, now that he has this de= ep frightening voice. Of course they decide upon a new image for Heintje, so= mething more adult. Of course the name has to be changed, since a diminuitive is = only appropriate for a little boy, so Heintje is turned into "Heino". To conne= ct to the success he had in Germany, and since Volksmusik has become a really big market, the managment decides, Heino should sing German folks songs. And so it happen= s! Heino gats a blond wig to cover his baldness and wears sunglasses to be able to stand the lime light of German television studios. His first recordings sound a lit= tle bit funny, when he sings "Schwarz-braun ist die Haselnuss" with a Dutch accen= t. But after a while he drops that accent, has success after success and gets fa= mous all over the world. He's rich and looks like the weirdest Dutch guy that ever= made it into show biz. Only sometimes, when Heino gets the Blues, he secretly drives back to his= home village in Holland behind the dam in the middle of the night, picks up so= me tulips and brings them to his old mother. She always has a big piece of Leerdame= r for him, his favorite food, and so they sit silently together, eat cheese and watc= h his latest show in German television.... > Still a better > question for further discussion, could Heino have possiby emerged > from any country other than Germany, and if so, does he have an > equivalent elsewhere? There is this Colombian guy... only difference to Heino: He doesn't sing,= instead he kills children. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ottotemp@aol.com Subject: (exotica) collectible rattan furniture for sale Date: 04 Nov 1999 23:06:05 EST Anyone interested in dropping a was of cash on some rattan furniture should check this out _______________________ Please join us for informal no host cocktails with complimentary hors d'oeuvres and a special one-time only unveiling of the most amazing rattan collection to hit the market in the 20th century. WHEN? Saturday, November 6th WHERE? Barbara's at The Brewery 620 Moulton Ave. Los Angeles, Ca. 90031 Click here for Map Navigation (Keyword to: http://www.mapblast.com/mblast/map.mb?&CT=34.065593:-118.21901:20000&IC=34.065 593:-118.21901:8:&GAD2=618+Moulton+Ave&GAD3=Los+Angeles,+CA++90031-2978&W=425& H=250&CMD=LFILL) PARKING? Please street park on Ave. 21. Parking within The Brewery will get you towed! TIME? Cocktails: 6 pm - 7:30 pm Presentation: 8 pm - 10 pm YOUR HOSTS: Cruz Nobleza, Art Cruz and Keith Collins * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This mailing list is brought to you by Slick.ORG at http://www.slick.org to remove yourself from the list, send e-mail to majordomo@slick.org and include the words "unsubscribe tikievents" in the message (not in the subject). For web-based help, go to: http://www.slick.org/cgi-bin/majordomo * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (exotica) censorship? Date: 04 Nov 1999 21:05:47 -0700 On Thu, Nov 04, 1999 at 11:14:16PM +0100, =AE wrote: > Did this ever happen to you: Certain mails to the list don't get posted. > I send them once, I send them twice, they don't arrive, while other > postings I sent at the same time do arrive. Is this list censored, > Laszlo? Nope. There are a few things that aren't allowed to be posted (virus war= nings and the like, all of which are detailed in the list intro message) but postings that are rejected are sent back to the poster so nothing should = ever disappear silently. Some systems don't deal too well with high-ASCII characters, especially i= n headers. Maybe that's why you're having problems -- that ASCII 256 in yo= ur name field could be what's doing it. --=20 Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com = -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larson/Thomas" Subject: RE: (exotica) "Rare" Exotica CDs - are these any good Date: 04 Nov 1999 20:19:03 -0800 >Any recomendations... > >Specifically the Jungle Exotica CD or this one: >CD: PEREZ PRADO "VOODOO SUITE/EXOTIC SUITE" Jungle Exotica is not at all like the Martin Denny, Les Baxter, etc. genre. Think more like bar bands playing at a neighborhood luau. It's exotica in the sense that songs like "limbo rock" or "The lion sleeps tonight" are exotica. But, some of the music is really catchy. Voodoo Suite is great. Jerry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larson/Thomas" Subject: RE: (exotica) Eeek! Lips. Date: 04 Nov 1999 20:19:04 -0800 Cafe Java Bongo, Cafe Noir, and Cafe Tango Mambo are all well worth the $5.99 I paid for each, even though they are quite short and the Bongo CD is a little repetitive. I also bought Cafe Paris, which is not nearly as good. Jerry -----Original Message----- I checked out eclipse music: http://www.eclipse-music.com/ They have tried to disguise the original sources somewhat, but it isn't too difficult to pick out some winners from their cheap (albeit short) CDs. Here is what I ordered:Cafe Java Bongo, Cafe Noir, Cafe Tango Mambo, Cafe Tango Mambo, Cole Porter (from their Broadway series) and George Gershwin (also from Broadway). Irving Joseph, Al Caiola and Hugo Montenegro are represented. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ottotemp@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Nov 12 in Los Angeles Date: 05 Nov 1999 03:26:59 EST Sacre Bleu! The grooviest girl in Gaul is coming to L.A.! Oui, Oui! Bardot A Go-Go--the mad, mod, psychadelic swinger's club will be wowing the In-Crowd for one night only at the hippest hangout in Hollywood: The one and only Encounter! All the excitement! All of the Action! All the Now Sound today's kids demand! And NONE OF THE COST! That's right, Dig it Daddio--it's FREE! So dress shagadelic and come prepared to dance till you drop on Friday, November 12,1999 from 9pm til 2am. Ooh La La! Brought to you in part by the good folks at Dionysus Records and Emperor Norton Records. Please copy this E-Mail for your friends! Merci! www.frankenstein.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This mailing list is brought to you by Slick.ORG at http://www.slick.org to remove yourself from the list, send e-mail to majordomo@slick.org and include the words "unsubscribe tikievents" in the message (not in the subject). For web-based help, go to: http://www.slick.org/cgi-bin/majordomo * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ton Rueckert Subject: Re: (exotica) The Heintje/Heino story Date: 05 Nov 1999 11:34:53 +0100 >Little Heintje grows up in a very flat part of Holland. Not quite true, even though it's fiction it simply stretches my imagination... Heintje grew up in the Dutch mountains (at their highest peak about 300 meters above sea level, thats an Everest in Dutch terms) in the Southern province of Limburg, close to the German border. And Holland (two provinces in the west of The Netherlands) has no very flat parts, it's flat all over and, if it weren't for the dunes, the dykes and the pumping machines, very wet. >He's rich and looks like the weirdest Dutch guy that ever made it >into show biz Pardon? Are you saying that Heino at a certain age turns into Vader Abraham? Cheers, Ton *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** Ton Rueckert Mozartstraat 12 5914 RB Venlo The Netherlands *** *** mojoto@plex.nl http://www.plex.nl/~mojoto Ph 31/0 773545386 *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ Beware! Your bones are going to be disconnected. ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/4264/music/Xbe3975.ram ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) censorship? Date: 05 Nov 1999 12:36:26 +0100 Lazlo Nibble wrote: > Is this list censored, > > Laszlo? > > Nope. Maybe that's why you're having problems -- that ASCII 256 in your > name field could be what's doing it. > Oke.. I changed it. Meanwhile my post arrived... 20 hours later! Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: (exotica) Bruce haack Date: 05 Nov 1999 13:16:19 -0000 Does anyone know if the Bruce Haack compilation on Emperor Norton has actually been released yet? The dates are for late October, but when I looked at the Emperor Norton site recently it wasn't in the shop, and there were no more details. If it has, does anyone have any views on it? Thanks El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.shitola.freeserve.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nicola Battista Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Symphonic pop (was Classic REM) Date: 05 Nov 1999 14:53:31 +0100 >I even have found Lawrence Welk and Percy Faith (Theme From A >Summerplace '76) using disco arrangements. uhmmm heheh I just remembered this crappy vinyl collection that someone gave to my father as a gift circa 1985... it was a boxed set by Richard Clayderman and he is supposed to be a piano player... heh... but there are a couple of medleys incorprating famous classical music pieces (one of them titled -er- "Bach gammon" ;)) with a sort of disco arrangment... bye, Nicola (Dj Batman) Battista Before it's too late... Check my Ebay auctions at: http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=djbatman@su pereva.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) The Heintje/Heino story Date: 05 Nov 1999 16:12:16 +0100 Ton Rueckert wrote: > >Little Heintje grows up in a very flat part of Holland. > > Heintje grew up in the Dutch mountains (at their > highest peak about 300 meters above sea level, thats an Everest > in Dutch terms) in the Southern province of Limburg, close to > the German border. No problem. Thanks for any additional ideas. We'll make Limburger his favorite cheese and take the mountains as an explanation for his tendencies to become a Volksmusik star... great! Let's write the book together, Ton! > Are you saying that Heino at a certain age turns into Vader Abraham? This would of course top the whole story! Great! It's getting better and better! It would go like this: Heino gets old. Nobody wants to listen to his music anymore. As he has made enough money for the rest of his life, he decides to become a dirty old man and performs another, final mutation, that allows him to return to Holland: He becomes Vader Abraham. His first single is called "Deine Monatsbinde" (Your Sanitary Towel)... etc. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek Subject: Re: (exotica) The Heintje/Heino story Date: 05 Nov 1999 16:19:11 +0100 Mo wrote: > Heino gets old. Nobody wants to listen to his music anymore. As he has made > enough money for the rest of his life, he decides to become a dirty old man > and performs another, final mutation, that allows him to return to Holland: He > becomes Vader Abraham. His first single is called "Deine Monatsbinde" (Your > Sanitary Towel)... Where does Heino's son fit into the whole story? I recently saw him on German tv. His name is... Uwe Heino Junior. And I'm not making this up. Strange thing was that he looked older than his father. Marco -- Marco "Kallie" Kalnenek +------------------------------------------+ Record Collector's Heaven http://weirdomusic.freeservers.com/ +------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Citizen Kafka Subject: Re: (exotica) Bruce haack Date: 05 Nov 1999 10:28:23 -0500 Hi, EMCQ, 1) Yes the Bruce Haack/Esther Nelson Dimension 5 reissue on Emperor Norton is out. 2) The initial pressing is apparently sold out, and they are repressing more. That doesn't mean it isn't in the stores, etc., so check your favorite local store which carries such things. 3) The word is that the album might be featured on Amazon.com, which would make it very accessible via internet... 4) How is it? Are you familiar with the Dimension 5 material? It's an excellent selection of some of the very wacky material on this independent 'children's' label. I'm only slightly biased- I know Miss Nelson and I did the tape transfers for the record. It is not deeply musical in a straight sense, but has a very wonderful flavor of fun and strangeness, and is also catchy (the tunes stick in your mind long after most other music has fled). hope that helps, citizen kafka Citizen Kafka, Producer, "The Secret Museum of the Air" NEW!: every Tuesday 6 to 7 PM EST WFMU 91.1 FM & WXHD (Hudson Valley) 90.1 FM http://www.megasaver.com/page2/smradio.html http://wfmu.org/ then go to 'listen to wfmu' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek Subject: Re: (exotica) The Heino/Heintje question? Date: 05 Nov 1999 17:04:37 +0100 Brian Karasick wrote: > I think the two of you have created a thread that is based on a > misread of what I wrote. I specifically said (see above) the Heintje > 'look' ie. the 'appearance' of the clean little Dutch boy. I don't > see anywhere where I mentioned they were the same person? Sorry, I interpreted it that way. And actually I'm glad I did! This thread is really great. We could do a nice website about this mutation theory. Maybe we should include some alien abductions and a bit about the CIA? Anyway, I didn't realise that Heintje was known outside Germany, the Netherlands and Belgium. He still turns up on German tv every once in a while. Now under his full name of Hein Simons. He even has a little daughter that sings with him. History's repeating... And oh yes, we have a new Heintje here in Holland. His name is Jantje Smit. Same voice, same schmaltz. Marco -- Marco "Kallie" Kalnenek +------------------------------------------+ Record Collector's Heaven http://weirdomusic.freeservers.com/ +------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Bruce haack Date: 05 Nov 1999 12:46:00 EST In a message dated 11/05/99 10:27:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, ckafka@dti.net writes: << 4) How is it? Are you familiar with the Dimension 5 material? It's an excellent selection of some of the very wacky material on this independent 'children's' label. I'm only slightly biased- I know Miss Nelson and I did the tape transfers for the record. It is not deeply musical in a straight sense, but has a very wonderful flavor of fun and strangeness, and is also catchy (the tunes stick in your mind long after most other music has fled). >> Emperor Norton usually has RealAudio clips. They don't have these for the new Haack????? TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Subject: Re: (exotica) Bruce haack Date: 05 Nov 1999 12:10:36 -0600 Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/05/99 10:27:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, ckafka@dti.net > writes: > > << 4) How is it? Are you familiar with the Dimension 5 material? It's an > excellent selection of some of the very wacky material on this > independent 'children's' label. I'm only slightly biased- I know Miss > Nelson and I did the tape transfers for the record. It is not deeply > musical in a straight sense, but has a very wonderful flavor of fun and > strangeness, and is also catchy (the tunes stick in your mind long after > most other music has fled). > >> > > Emperor Norton usually has RealAudio clips. They don't have these for the > new Haack????? I know that the Bruce Haack web site has audio clips, and I think some of the clips are tracks on the new compilation. http://www.brucehaack.com What a coincidence, I was just listening to "Hush Little Robot" this morning. -- Kerry np: Moog Indigo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 05 Nov 1999 12:29:47 -0500 Remember that URL m.ace posted about RealAudio spying on people who downloaded RA software and music? Well...I suggest we find where the hackers mentioned below posted the code that unlocks DVD files, raid the RA site, and give some hell to those prying bastards. Smiling sweetly, Mimi HACKERS BREAK DVD CODE The code used to protect DVD-formatted movies from being copied has been broken by programmers who have shared their work on the Internet, making it possible for anyone with a personal computer with a DVD-ROM drive to unlock a DVD movie and record a digital copy of it. There are differing opinions about what consequences this development will have. Industry analyst Corey Wade downplays the likelihood of any immediate impact on the entertainment industry: "Despite the hype, I don't think a lot of people want to watch a movie on their computer. When they hear about this sort of stuff, people think it's going to change everything in five minutes, but your average person who goes to Blockbuster isn't going to be doing this." (Washington Post 4 Nov 99) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/business/A18205-1999Nov3.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cheryl Subject: Re: (exotica) The Heintje/Heino story Date: 05 Nov 1999 13:41:51 -0500 Marco \\Kallie\\ Kalnenek wrote: > Where does Heino's son fit into the whole story? I recently saw him on German tv. > His name is... Uwe Heino Junior. And I'm not making this up. Strange thing was > that he looked older than his father. This just boggles the mind.... cheryl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ton Rueckert Subject: Re: (exotica) The Heino/Heintje question? Date: 05 Nov 1999 20:07:55 +0100 >And oh yes, we have a new Heintje here in Holland. His name is Jantje >Smit. Same voice, same schmaltz. Oh no! Voice is shrieking, schmaltz is sour, he's managed by a woodheaded mafioso and wherever he sings it smells like rotten fish (he's from Volendam, a most miserly fisherman's community). Cheers, Ton PS Not all of the above is necessarily true, what is true, however, is that I hate the little prick. *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** Ton Rueckert Mozartstraat 12 5914 RB Venlo The Netherlands *** *** mojoto@plex.nl http://www.plex.nl/~mojoto Ph 31/0 773545386 *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ Beware! Your bones are going to be disconnected. ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/4264/music/Xbe3975.ram ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 05 Nov 1999 14:37:13 -0500 What was the RealAudio post? Must've deleted it. - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Bruce Haack Date: 05 Nov 1999 14:56:52 -0500 Citizen Kafka wrote: 3) The word is that the album might be featured on Amazon.com, which would make it very accessible via internet... It is! see: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00002068V/o/qid=941831443/sr=8-4/102-7344601-5705664 Listen Compute Rock Home Bruce Haack List Price: $13.97 Our Price: $9.78 amazon.com also distributes the cassette serieses: Dance to the Music Esther Nelson, Bruce Haack / Audio Cassette / Published 1991 Our Price: $9.95 + $0.85 special surcharge (Special Order) Dance, Sing, and Listen Series Esther Nelson, Bruce Haack / Audio Cassette / Published 1991 Our Price: $59.70 (Special Order) Fun-To-Sing Series/5 Audio Cassettes Esther Nelson, Bruce Haack / Audio Cassette / Published 1991 Our Price: $49.75 (Special Order) The Way Out Cassette for Children/Audio Cassette Esther Nelson, Bruce Haack / Audio Cassette / Published 1987 Our Price: $9.95 + $0.85 special surcharge (Special Order) -Lou (not an amazon, just shops there) lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) "Buddy Merrill's World Of Guitars" Date: 05 Nov 1999 16:05:55 -0500 "Buddy Merrill's World Of Guitars" (Ranwood, R-8096, 1972) A nice late entry in the Les Paul-style overdubbed guitars bag. It includes another version of "Busy Bee (Flight Of The Bumble Bee)" -- his earlier version appears on the "Incredibly Strange Music, Vol. 1" cd. I like "Love Theme from The Godfather" with its little fuzz guitar accents here and there. Also has a casually breezy version of "Sabre Dance" titled "Ritual De Le Sabre". Perfect for your plate-spinning act. m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) "Buddy Merrill's World Of Guitars" Date: 05 Nov 1999 16:17:46 EST In a message dated 11/5/99 4:04:13 PM, ecam@voicenet.com wrote: >"Buddy Merrill's World Of Guitars" (Ranwood, R-8096, 1972) I've found some unexpected surprises on Ranwood..Anyone know anything about the label? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffery Hess Subject: Re: (exotica) The Heino/Heintje question? Date: 05 Nov 1999 15:28:12 -0600 >Anyway, I didn't realise that Heintje was known outside Germany, the >Netherlands and Belgium. He still turns up on German tv every once in a while. He made to a flea market bin in Missouri. Lurking for quite while, Jeff Psych-Out! The cost of one admission is your mynd!@#$%& KDHX 88.1 St. Louis Sunday Mornings 3-6AM Immediately following the Wayback Machine www.kdhx.org ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 05 Nov 1999 16:43:28 -0500 >What was the RealAudio post? RealJukebox spies on users and sends the data back to Real: http://tbtf.com/blog/1999-10-31.html#2 They've since said, oops, sorry, and released a patch to turn it off... they say. Relating that to the DVD crack: http://tbtf.com/blog/1999-10-31.html#7 A longer story: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,32263,00.html I'm very amused by this cracking of DVD encryption. Funny thing is, the programmers who did it weren't specifically out to crack it. They were just trying to reverse engineer some Windows DVD players so they could write a DVD player to run on the Linux operating system. 'Cause that's the only way they'd get one. But the flimsy DVD encryption scheme more or less fell apart before their eyes. Funnier yet, if the industry develops a new encryption scheme, all of the players already sold will become expensive paperweights. There's how you make happy consumers! If the entertainment majors would stop treating their customers like criminals and charge fair prices they wouldn't be in this fix. But I'm sure they'll just be pushing for more draconian laws and more stupid copy protection schemes. Someday we'll have to submit to a retinal scan just to get a piece of toilet paper. Legal action against the crackers is already in progress. Legal actions for stupidity are unfortunately not in the offing. m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dciccone@inspex.com Subject: (exotica) Playlist Martinis with Mancini 11/5/99 Date: 05 Nov 1999 18:33:15 -0500 Played LOTS of AstroSlut and Seks BomBa today on "Martinis With Mancini" broadcasting Friday's from 6-9 AM. WJUL 91.5 in Lowell Massachusetts. Looking forward to the CD release party and bringing my sister Stacy who turns 21! (Waiter: another round. This time stirred!) Calling all the new and used clothing stores looking for a Fez for the occasion. Nothing yet! Sorry I haven't posted too often. I'm on the digest now and that delays things a bit. Making some nice friends on the list, met up with a few of you in person. You are all great people and love you all in that "brotherly love" kind of way. The Show's web page: http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Booth/8007/ The Playlist: Brief And Breezy, Henry Mancini, OST Peter Gunn Innamorata, Dean Martin, Collector?s Series Jungle Nocturne, Les Baxter, Que Mango Love Theme From Astroslut, Astroslut, Love At Zero G Main Title, Johnny Mandel, OST I Want To Live (LP) Poker Game, Johnny Mandel, OST I Want To Live(LP) Blues In C Minor, The Modern Jazz Quartet, Blues On Bach(LP) Twisted, Lambert , Hendricks And Ross, Everybody?s Boppin? Too Marvelous For Words, Mike Simpson And Orchestra, Discussion In Percussion (LP) When The Saints Go Swinging In, Si Zenthner, Music That?s Going Places (LP) I Love You, Paul Combs, Hawk?s Delight Gongo Train, Les Baxter, Ritual Of The Savage The Swinger, Benny Golson, Tune In Tune Out Nobody Knows The Way I Feel This Morning, Joe Williams Work Song, Nina Simone, Hight Priestess Of Soul Plug Into The Now, Astroslut, Love At Zero G Walk On By, Electronic Pop Music, Spaced Out I?m Getting Sentimental Over You, Jimmy Scott, All The Way I Want To Be Happy, June Christy, Fair And Warmer Is You Is Or Is You Ain?t My Baby, Ames Brothers (LP) Window Washer, Ost Johnny Cool Yo Yo Hashi, On The Ginza, Jungle Jive Galaxy Girl, Astroslut, Love At Zero G So Danco Samba, Antonio Carlos Jobim, The Boy From Ipanema Jet City, Seks Bomb, Operation Bomba Touch Of Evil, Henry Mancini, Crime Jazz One O?clock Jump, Frank Comstock, Real Gusto (LP) Vaya Con Dios, Frank De Vol, Zenith Promo Giveaway (LP) Light Of The Foo Birds, Vount Basie, The Atomic Count Basie Arivederci Roma, Abbie Lane (LP) Patricia, David Carroll, Latin Percussion (LP) The Very Thought Of You, Nancy Wilson, Ballads Blues Big Bands Fondue Rendevous, Astroslut, Love At Zero G Days Of Wine And Roses, Les Baxter, The Colors Of Brazil Moody?s Mood For Love, Eddie Jefferson, The Jazz Singer The Feathered Serpent, Les Baxter, The Sacred Idol Wichata Lineman, Peter Nero, I Gotta Be Me (LP) Soulful Strut, Peter Nero, I Gotta Be Me (LP) The Imperial March, Evil Genius Orchestra, Cocktails In The Cantina I Haven?t Got Anything Else To Do, Carmen McRae, Portrait Of Carmen (LP) Hernando?s Hideaway, Dick Schory?s Stereo Action Goes Hollywood (LP) The Exploding Fez Affair, Astroslut, Love At Zero G Pinball Wizard, ?? The House Of Loungecore Danke Schoen, Bert Kaempfert, Greatest Hits (LP) Strangers In The Night. Bert Kaempfert, Greatest Hits (LP) Mr Lucky, The Living Brass Plays Mancini (LP) Similau Esquivel, See It In Sound Makin? Whoopee, Julie London, Wild Cool And Swingin? Human Jungle, Four Piece Suit, Ready To Where? It Had Better Be Nonight, Seks Bomba Operation Bomba The Quinn Martian Memorandum, Astroslut, Love At Zero G Theme From The ?Tiki Wondor Hour? Combustible Edison, I Swinger Bananas, Oranj Symphonette, The Oranj Album Moon River, Henry Jerome, The Tiki Sampler # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) The Heintje/Heino story Date: 06 Nov 1999 02:49:37 +0100 I saw Heintje in tele TODAY! With his horses and his daughter.He said he would manage his daughter to become a music star. His German was free of accent. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: (exotica) New Annette CD on Disney Date: 06 Nov 1999 03:27:24 +0100 http://www.cowtown.net/users/annette/Anniebio.htm A double CD with excerpts from Hawaiiannette and Italiannette and others. If they hadn't forgotten to put "The Hukilau Song" on it, this would be a super-great CD. Thanks to Brain for detecting it! Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 05 Nov 1999 22:01:27 EST In a message dated 11/5/99 1:43:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, ecam@voicenet.com writes: << I'm very amused by this cracking of DVD encryption. Funny thing is, the programmers who did it weren't specifically out to crack it. >> so are they distributing the software that breaks the encryption? anyone out there copying DVD yet?? will anyone admit it?????? tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Irwin Chusid" Subject: (exotica) W F M U R E K K I D F A I R Date: 04 Nov 1999 23:21:48 -0500 Easy to find. As I like to say, just follow the trail of knuckle skin....... * * * * * [FWD from WFMU] THIS WEEKEND, November 5-7 break open them piggy banks because the Voices of East Harlem, the Virgin Prunes, Azalia Snail, Dr. John, Opal and Gomer Pyle are ALL in the house! T H E W F M U R E C O R D F A I R at the (new) Metropolian Pavilion 125 West 18th street, NYC Over 170 tables of the rare and the raucous, the sublime and the subliminal.... from Country Joe to Rancid, it's all here... FRIDAY, Nov 5 7pm-10pm ($20) SATURDAY, Nov 6 10am-8pm ($5) SUNDAY, Nov 7 10am-7pm ($5) The Hate Bombs to play live on-air from the show on Satuday and the Fleshtones and the Chocolate Watchband on Sunday! more at www.wfmu.org/recfair be seeing you.. ********************************************** Jenni Matz jenni@wfmu.org Special Events Czar (201) 521-1416 ext 230 WFMU PO Box 2011 Jersey City, NJ 07303-2011 ********************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Fondle Subject: (exotica) Fwd: astroslut "love at zero g" available Date: 05 Nov 1999 12:36:42 -0800 (PST) > Here's some of the latest on Astroslut------ > Astroslut's long awaited 13-song CD "Love at Zero G" > is now available on > line and is already selling. See below. It will be > available at your > favorite local record stores November 10. Ask for > it by name. Tell your > record store person you want your slut because > you're dying for some Love > at Zero G. They'll know just what to do. It > contains such future hits > like: Plug into the Now, Sophisticated Mr. Sleaze, > Dame from Planet Eros, > Galaxy Girl, Fresca '99 and many more...... > > There will be a party to celebrate the release on > Saturday, November 13 at > the Lizard Lounge in Cambridge. [we'll remind you > again next week] The > fabulous Seks Bomba will open the show and Brother > Cleve will be spinning > tunes in between sets. There's a whole new > production with dancers, > visuals, new astrowear along with our planet wear. > > http://www.cdalley.com/web_store/web_store.cgi > Click on "alternative" and there we are-listed > first. Listen to some astro > samples. > > Lots of Love from Astroslut > Jane Fondle, Quinn Martian, Jesus Knieval, J. > Natalia & 2000 > ===== "It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter Buy the debut release from Astroslut: LOVE AT ZERO G at: http://cdalley.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Irwin Chusid" Subject: (exotica) Event: Incorrect Music Videos @ Fez 11/20 Date: 05 Nov 1999 21:54:34 -0500 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE _________________________________ INCORRECT MUSIC VIDEOS *V* AT FEZ A FIFTH COLLECTION OF BIZARRE, INEPT, GROTESQUE AND JAW-DROPPING MUSIC VIDEOS OF DUBIOUS ENTERTAINMENT VALUE ** BY POPULAR DEMAND: TWO SHOWS! ** hosts: Irwin Chusid, Michelle Boul=E9, and Don Brockway at: FEZ, 380 Lafayette Street (under TIME Cafe), NYC date: Saturday, November 20, 1999 Early Show: The Best of Incorrect Music Videos doors: 7:30 / show: 8:00 - admission $10 Late Show: All-New Material doors: 10:00 / show: 10:30 - admission $12 ~~ Special price - admission to both shows: $20 ~~ *Reservations advised* (but please do not try to reserve tix until two weeks before show) Our EARLY SHOW will present a cornucopia of the most popular offerings from our first four Incorrect Music Video Soirees, including BJ SNOWDEN, William SHATNER, Metallica Drummer, CECIL DILL and His Singing Hands, Rev. ALECIA, Christian Pirate Puppets, It's POTTY TIME, Scopitones, Soundies, and MORE! Our LATE SHOW will feature ALL-NEW incorrectitude, such as: -- The DAVID BOWIE Mime Endurance Test -- YOGA for KIDS (with scary barnyard animals) -- an original Y2K puppet tribute by CHRIS KLUGE and BIANCA BOB featuring music by LUCIA PAMELA -- country music "legend" JAMES 'REBEL' O'LEARY -- ANTHONY NEWLEY sings the WORST Beatle Song -- SCRUB ME MAMA WITH A BOOGIE BEAT 1940s cartoon hits new heights in racial profiling! -- NELSON DE LA ROSSA the world's smallest human does his sexy "Mahow dance" -- a musical selection from one of 1972's BIGGEST Hollywood FLOPS -- drinks-thru-the-nose public access incorrectainment from IOWA -- our REJECT MONTAGE and MORE............. _____________________________________________ The Incorrect Music Hour hosted by Irwin Chusid & Michelle Boul=E9, is heard weekly on WFMU (91.1 FM), Wednesday, 3-4 PM. An asylum of crackpot & visionary music: atrocious, outsider, blasphemous, or just plain WRONG, from the Shaggs and Shooby to Shatner. http://www.wfmu.org more info: - 30, baby - =90|||=90|||=90|||=90|||=90|||=90|||=90|||=90|||=90|||=90|||=90|||=90|||=90|||=90|||=90|||=90|||=90|||=90| ||=90|||=90|||=90|||=90||| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Moshay Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 05 Nov 1999 23:41:11 -0800 > HACKERS BREAK DVD CODE > The code used to protect DVD-formatted movies from being copied has been > broken by programmers who have shared their work on the Internet, making it The made front & center headlines in Variety yesterday with a long piece following. My gut feeling is that SMDI is going to be about equally effective, for the simple reason the people that create these encryption codes are basically hackers or ex-hackers themselves. A new biz model for the entertainment industry will likely emerge as a result. Its form maybe one we like even less than what exists presently. What is going on now in some of the darker back alleys' of the net now, is very disturbing, if you have any respect for artists'. Arrgh. Paul Moshay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nat Kone Subject: (exotica) Mambo no.5 Date: 06 Nov 1999 06:54:39 -0500 In this new hit version of "Mambo Number 5" by Louis Vega (or something like that), it sounds a lot like whole sections have been lifted out of Perez Prado's recording. It's obviously a reference to Prado's version but does anyone know if this is sampled from Prado, lifted from Prado or just a very good recreation? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek Subject: (exotica) Heintje pictures Date: 06 Nov 1999 13:43:54 +0100 For those who don't know what Heintje looks like: http://www.stargalaxy.com/img_page/IG/0/5/1/9/index_1.html Marco -- Marco "Kallie" Kalnenek +------------------------------------------+ Record Collector's Heaven http://weirdomusic.freeservers.com/ +------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek Subject: (exotica) even more Heintje on this site Date: 06 Nov 1999 13:45:39 +0100 Heintje Simons at: http://www.webnl.com/kabouter/hs01.html Marco -- Marco "Kallie" Kalnenek +------------------------------------------+ Record Collector's Heaven http://weirdomusic.freeservers.com/ +------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Br. Cleve" Subject: Re: (exotica) Mambo no.5 Date: 06 Nov 1999 09:37:17 -0500 At 6:54 AM -0500 11/6/99, Nat Kone wrote: >In this new hit version of "Mambo Number 5" by Louis Vega (or something >like that), it sounds a lot like whole sections have been lifted out of >Perez Prado's recording. It's obviously a reference to Prado's version but >does anyone know if this is sampled from Prado, lifted from Prado or just a >very good recreation? sampled from Prado, who receives songwriting credits on the record. It's the version from the "Big Hits" album. br cleve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 06 Nov 1999 10:02:06 -0500 At 11:41 PM 11/5/99, Paul Moshay wrote: A new biz model >for the entertainment industry will likely emerge as a result. Its form >maybe one we like even less than what exists presently. Care to make any forecasts, Paul? Outside of the indies, current models tend to rip off both the artists and the consumers, with the producers getting the mostest. Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: Symphonic pop (was Classic REM) Date: 05 Nov 1999 19:42:54 +0100 i didn't mean to say that disco in itself is/was horrible, just this specific combination of kitsch symphonic music with a bland "classics on 45" disco beat. Johan quiet@village.uunet.be | ) / \ | ) / \ | ) / \ | ) / \ At 15:54 -0500 99/11/04, DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: >Horrible? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 06 Nov 1999 11:01:32 -0500 >so are they distributing the software that breaks the encryption? anyone out >there copying DVD yet?? I wouldn't expect to find it on Cnet's downloads.com, but it's out there somewhere. I've read that 'the industry' is already getting websites shut down over it. If you had it, it wouldn't be that practical anyway (unless you have massive amounts of storage space)... the DVD files are huge. Here's a real good article that clarifies the events: http://www.emediapro.net/news99/news111.html m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) New Annette CD on Disney Date: 06 Nov 1999 11:18:15 EST In a message dated 11/5/99 9:27:16 PM, exotica@munich.netsurf.de wrote: >A double CD with excerpts from Hawaiiannette and Italiannette and >others. If they hadn't forgotten to put "The Hukilau Song" on it, this >would be a super-great CD. Yes, but does it have "Tall Paul (He's My All)"? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Symphonic pop (was Classic REM) Date: 06 Nov 1999 11:22:04 EST In a message dated 11/6/99 10:52:02 AM, Quiet@village.uunet.be wrote: >i didn't mean to say that disco in itself is/was horrible, just >this specific combination of kitsch symphonic music with a bland "classics >on 45" disco beat. that's fine, I just overreacted as usual when disco comes up. I feel like I've been defending the stuff since it first arrived # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jack" Subject: (exotica) a new "lister" Date: 06 Nov 1999 11:33:15 -0500 Hello Everyone and Greetings from Cincinnati, As I'm new to the list and I a bit unsure where to start , I'll just list a few " like's and looking for's " LIKES: mancini, conniff, riddle, hi-lo's, p. lee, m. valle, judy, m. paich, blossom, l. wiley, june, the signatures, art mooney, david carroll, joe harnell,enoch light , jo stafford, julie l. .. you get the gist LOOKING FOR: marlene cord ( dot records), rodger king mozian (mgm) , versions of : "my gal sal", " the impatient virgo", " paris original", "lean baby" , "the answer"by "marcos valle", anything marlene cord .... I'll leave it at that for the time being . i also collect and transfer to cdr 78 rpm records as well as my thrift finds ........... thanks x 1,000,000 jack from cincinnati, listening to : "super phonics" - caterina valente # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) New Annette CD on Disney Date: 06 Nov 1999 17:40:28 +0100 Stilgloria@aol.com wrote: > I have Annette's boxed set and it's wonderful. I also have both of the above > albums. I have a wonderful picture sleeve of Annette's Pineapple > Princess/Luau Cha Cha Cha. I've always loved her voice, very refreshing, > young and innocent. The lyrics used to "send me". Gloria, we know what's good! Even if I repeat myself: Annette is the single one artist that best fits my concept of good humor/splendid mood. If you don't feel the urgent need to jump up, shake your hips and sing, when hearing her Hukilau Song, you must be dead. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) Mambo no.5 Date: 06 Nov 1999 17:41:00 +0100 Nat Kone wrote: > In this new hit version of "Mambo Number 5" by Louis Vega (or something > like that), it sounds a lot like whole sections have been lifted out of > Perez Prado's recording. It's obviously a reference to Prado's version but > does anyone know if this is sampled from Prado, lifted from Prado or just a > very good recreation? The guy is from Munich and has a homepage, that you can find on my world-best Munich-link-page: http://home.munich.netsurf.de/Moritz.Reichelt/munich.html :) Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) New Annette CD on Disney Date: 06 Nov 1999 11:22:38 -0500 At 5:40 PM 11/6/99, Mo and Stilgloria@aol.com wrote about Annette. Is Pineapple Princess on that CD, Mo? And Stilgloria, do the lyrics to PP go something like: Pineapple Princess, I think you are The cutest girl I've seen Some day we will be married And you'll be my Pineapple Queen I also recall this song had something about: He even sings to me On his water skis... Quite a trick, that. Who wouldn't be taken with such a multitalented fella? TIA for info, Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: (exotica) New Annette CD on Disney Date: 06 Nov 1999 18:35:44 +0100 Is Pineapple Princess on that CD, Mo? http://www.cowtown.net/users/annette/Anniebio.htm Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hugh Petfield Subject: (exotica) New lister Jack Date: 06 Nov 1999 19:47:56 +0000 Welcome Jack, >LIKES: >mancini, conniff, riddle, hi-lo's, p. lee, m. valle, judy, m. paich, I too like the Hi-los, and consider their work with Marty Paich to be pretty darned good. Can Jack or any other reader of this list recommend any records (pref. CD and pref. available!) by Marty Paich from that period please? Many thanks Hugh PS Laura, sorry to read your news earlier on this week. Don't become a stranger here, and let us know if we can support you in any way. HP # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) documentaries on tv Date: 06 Nov 1999 14:49:29 -0500 Sunday and Thursday night at 9pm (eastern), E!'s "True Hollywood Story" does Russ Meyer. Tuesday night at 9pm, the same show covers Bettie Page. TCM's special of the month seems to be vintage documentaries on Tuesday nights. This week includes: "South: Shackleton And The Endurance Expedition" (1919) 8:00pm. Document of an Antarctic expedition gone wrong. "Grass" (1925) 9:45pm. Persian nomads seeking grazing land. "Nanook Of The North" (1922) 11:00pm. Discussed here not long ago. "Louisiana Story" (1948) 12:30am. Oil drilling in bayou country. "Man With A Movie Camera" (1929) 2:00am. Little info. Russia production. A free-form city tour maybe. "Salt For Svanetia" (1929) 3:15am. Also Russian and little info. m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jack" Subject: (exotica) Marty Paich Date: 06 Nov 1999 15:36:30 -0500 My appologies if I'm stating the obvious, but check out www.ccmusic.com collectors' choice has treated me very well, prices are high, but .... . they do have marty paich & his jazz piano quartet - "take me along" (1959 ) w/ jimmy rowels, john williams & pete jolly. CD on sale @ reduced price than what i paid ... darn it ! jack from cincinnati . listening to : "the girl friends" - lawrence welk & his champagne music (coral 57023) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: itsvern@ibm.net Subject: (exotica) Keely Smith booksigning Date: 06 Nov 1999 15:36:54 -0500 Just got back from a trip to Las Vegas. I made a visit to the 'Casino Hall of Fame' located in the Tropicana hotel and highly recommend a visit to this museum. Lots and lots of old casiono memorabelia (ashtrays, liquor decanters, matchbook covers, gaming chips, etc) At the Hall of Fame giftshop, I bought a neat book called 'Fabulous Las Vegas in the 1950's: Glitz, Glamour & Games' written by Fred Basten and Charles Phoenix. Keely Smith wrote the 2 page forward for this book. In those two pages, Keely tells about driving cross country from New York to Vegas (while pregnant) and about their first days as a Vegas lounge act. Throughout the book there are lots of neat color reproductions of Vegas culture from this great decade. When I was paying for this book, the clerk asked me how long I was staying in Vegas. I told her I was leaving the next day, and she replied "Too Bad -- Keely Smith is going to be here on November 9th signing the book" So if any of you are near Vegas on the afternoon of the 9th, it might be worthwhile to meet Keely Smith in person. I missed out on the autograph session, but the Tropicana does sell limited edition souvenior 'casino chips' which have Keely Smith's picture on them. They cost $5 each and can be bought at the change windows. There might be $25 versions of this chip also available for the high rollers out there. An image of the 'Fabolous Las Vegas' book cover can be found here..... http://www.amazon.com/images/P/188331805X.01.LZZZZZZZ.gif Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) RealPlayer also has privacy issues! Date: 06 Nov 1999 19:47:42 -0500 Sheesh! http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,32350,00.html m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thinkmatic@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 06 Nov 1999 20:29:56 EST In a message dated 11/6/99 2:41:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, mighty65@pacbell.net writes: > What is going > on now in some of the darker back alleys' of the net now, is very > disturbing, if you have any respect for artists'. Such as? Please elaborate. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fish Wich Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 06 Nov 1999 19:48:36 -0800 (PST) No DVD hacks on downloads.com but you can download a program that allows you to save streaming Real Audio content on your hard drive that normally could not be saved (easily). It's called X-FileGet. Just FYI --- "m.ace" wrote: > I wouldn't expect to find it on Cnet's > downloads.com, but it's out there > somewhere. I've read that 'the industry' is already > getting websites shut > down over it. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Moshay Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 07 Nov 1999 01:31:48 -0800 >> What is going >> on now in some of the darker back alleys' of the net now, is very >> disturbing, if you have any respect for artists'. thinkmatic said: > Such as? Please elaborate. grotesque levels of music piracy... elaborating further i would not do in good conscience. it would only contribute to its proliferation. >> A new biz model >> for the entertainment industry will likely emerge as a result. Its form >> maybe one we like even less than what exists presently. > then mini said: > Care to make any forecasts, Paul? Outside of the indies, current models > tend to rip off both the artists and the consumers, with the producers > getting the mostest. the indies model is largely the same as the majors'. that is unless you are talking about pure one man bedroom record labels, which really in a business view is really just an extension of the band/artist anyway. the underlying principles of a contract from rykodisc, rhino, or epitaph is virtually identical to that you'd find from a major. i don't think i've heard about any 'above ground' indies giving away the masters/copyrights' of albums' they paid to record to the artists', simply because they may be more genuinely into their music. relative to the net biz 'model'; i don't know really... all i know is if the road we are on continues something would have to change. the economics of music industry don't include a provision for 10, 20, or 30 percent of the aggregate demand for prerecorded music in the us to be satiated by piracy. less choices and less chances would be taken than even now. paul moshay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek Subject: Re: (exotica) The Heino/Heintje question? Date: 07 Nov 1999 11:34:05 +0100 Ton Rueckert wrote: > >> His name is Jantje Smit > Not all of the above is necessarily true, what is true, however, > is that I hate the little prick. Let's dump him in Germany! In fact we already did: he has a German CD out as well. Marco -- Marco "Kallie" Kalnenek +------------------------------------------+ Record Collector's Heaven http://weirdomusic.freeservers.com/ +------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: "Rare" Exotica CDs - are these any good Date: 06 Nov 1999 19:42:59 +0100 Perez Prado "Voodoo Suite/Exotic Suite Of The Americas": a masterpiece of ambitious exotic latin jazz symphony. short review plus track list at my web site: http://bewoner.dma.be/Dada Johan quiet@village.uunet.be | ) / \ | ) / \ | ) / \ | ) / \ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thinkmatic@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 07 Nov 1999 14:11:44 EST In a message dated 11/7/99 4:32:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, mighty65@pacbell.net writes: > grotesque levels of music piracy... elaborating further i would not > do in good conscience. it would only contribute to its proliferation. More grotesque then the fact that anyone with a cable modem can download an mp3 copy of any pop album from public and personal ftp sites in less time then it takes to drive to the store and buy it? More grotesque then the fact that there are a zillion search engines that will point you right to the albums you want to download? I mention all of this here in good conscience, because it's seems to be public knowledge, and it's been discussed here and elsewhere, ad nauseam. I hear the question asked constantly, so why not throw it out here. "What will become of music if the music industry can't make it's money from selling the object containing the prerecorded music?". I have some ideas, but I'd like to hear some of yall's. -Roy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 07 Nov 1999 18:48:10 EST In a message dated 11/7/99 2:12:18 PM, Thinkmatic@aol.com wrote: >What >will become of music if the music industry can't make it's money from selling >the object containing the prerecorded music?" First reaction: The industry will spend a lot of time buying up internet purveyors of music so they can own the means of distribution which will otherwise cost them their future. Additionally they will spend money paying the outrageous number of new law school grads to find ways to tie up those with enough imagination to override the present system by overwhelming them with court costs, paperwork, summonses, and other spirit-numbing distractions to wear them out and down like the tobacco industry does. Many internet entrepreneurs will simply wait to be bought out by the industry, then work for them on salary rather than slogging it out in the uncertain entrepreneurial world of rugged individualism. .... Any other thoughts? Jimmy Botticelli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thinkmatic@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 07 Nov 1999 22:10:17 EST In a message dated 11/7/99 6:48:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, DJJimmyBee@aol.com writes: > The industry will spend a lot of time buying up internet > purveyors of music so they can own the means of distribution which will > otherwise cost them their future. Do you mean companies that sell CDs on line or the hundreds of thousands of companies that own the servers that currently house and circulate all the pirated music. Going after the owners of the servers is a loosing battle. > Additionally they will spend money paying > the outrageous number of new law school grads to find ways to tie up those > with enough imagination to override the present system by overwhelming them > with court costs, paperwork, summonses, and other spirit-numbing > distractions > to wear them out and down like the tobacco industry does. There are already so many mp3 players (hardware & software) and encoder on the market, plus a bunch of other better compression types on the way. Plus there are numerous software packages solely designed to help computer neophytes burn audio CDs from mp3s, so once the mp3 is downloaded anybody with a CD-R drive can make a playable CD from it. Also with the proliferation of high speed cable modems, you don't have to wait 2 hours to download your favorite Marilyn Manson CD anymore. Is it that the record companies don't care or they were just so slow on the draw that they've decided to pack it in or are they just ruminating? -Roy Disclaimer: My discussion of this topic is not in any way an endorsement of widespread distribution of copyright infringing material. PS. Most of the people on this mailing list prefer to distribute copyright infringing material on an individual case by case basis :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Moshay Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 08 Nov 1999 02:52:03 -0800 > will become of music if the music industry can't make it's money from selling > the object containing the prerecorded music?". I have some ideas, but I'd > like to hear some of yall's. the labels don't care what media their artists' music is sold on. there is no vested interest in any particular 'object' or delivery media. one of the rationales for seagrams'/mca's recent buyout of polygram is the eventual efficiencies economically in the digital distribution of music. edgar bronfman cited this explicitly when it occurred and many times since. additionally, inference is made that the record biz solely profits - artists' themselves profit as well, if they sell. if the record industry or better yet 'entertainment conglomerates' cannot profit from recorded music at the levels they are comfortable with, they would retreat and put the capital into other ventures with better yields. possibly they would move towards genres less ripe for net piracy. beyond that... a wharton m.b.a., i'm stumped. Paul Moshay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Moshay Subject: (exotica) (off topic) "rec industry" thread Date: 08 Nov 1999 03:00:27 -0800 Interesting piece from one of the newsletter lists to which I'm subbed. ************************************************** THE ILLUSION OF POWER As we slip into the new millennium, perhaps there are some hard fought lessons we can learn from the 90's. One of the biggest of these lessons may be the Illusion of Power created by the new technologies that appeared in the last ten years. Roughly, they break down into two areas: the Home Studio and th= e Internet. Illusion Of Power #1 At Work - Buy this gear for your home studio and you'll have all the time in the world to create your masterpiece at home. But as a result, musicians and songwriters suddenly had to become engineers and technicians as well, spending more time trying to record the signal then actually creating it in the first place. Plus, the "gear spiral" kicks in, with the musician feeling the need for better and better gear in order to compensate for the lack of experience in how to use it. Not to mention that the vast majority of home studios are crippled by their very nature - they are inferior acoustic spaces to begin with. The power of the home studio is indeed an illusion. Instead of innovative and creative musi= c coming from this environment, we get a flood of mediocrity as the lowest common denominator slips ever lower. Illusion Of Power #2 At Work - Music delivery via the Internet. We've been sold a bill of goods that says "=8Amusicians can't need the Machine (the recording industry at large) anymore, thanks to the great expanse of the World Wide Web. Why get only a piece of the action for your art when you can have it all? However, so-called successful Web -based companies like Yahoo and Priceline still have to advertise in traditional media in order to gain consumer awareness and they still haven't made money. Even the most successful and famous Net company, Amazon.com, is so far in the red that some analysts say it may never get out. Music biz-wise, can anyone name one artist that's broken out AND made money from the net? So, with the bands selling 600 CD's (a big Net seller) and MP3.com making $344 million from its IPO, who is really making money here? A new artist on any MP3 site is just one in a million faces. These sites are only creating false hopes by projecting the illusion that artists can control their own destiny. Artists still need the Machine. Even armed with a bevy of how-to books on the subject, the average musician still lacks the talent and manpower to compete on a multitude of levels. The proof? Pick any Billboard chart - see anybody listed who got there without the help of the Machine? Sure you might see the occasional indie like Fugazi or Ani Difranco make a dent, but the Machine is still required for marketing, distribution and airplay. The Machine, as broken and screwe= d up as it is, is still a requirement for success. So what's the average artist to do in the face of these illusions of power? 1) Focus, Focus, Focus - Do what you do best. Don't dilute your precious creative time by trying to learn another trade like digital audio or engineering, for instance. Leave those things to other people who do those jobs better than you. 2) Spend Money Wisely - Spend money on your art, not on a craft attached to your art. What's the difference between the two, you say? "Art is what you do for yourself; Craft is what you do for someone else." Art lasts forever while craft is disposable. Learn the difference. 3) Hire the Best Talent You Can't Afford - WHY? You can't afford not to. Face it, the pro's are expensive. But you get a =DErst-class job in a lot less time by hiring experienced professionals than when you cheap out. In fact, smart money says cheaping out will always cost you more in the end= . 4) There's perfection in imperfection - Rarely are the best artists perfect in their execution. People buy vibe, not perfection. The illusion of power subtly states that we now have nearly unlimited time without an exorbitant outlay of funds to "perfect" a performance. But without that someone with the vision, experience and talent to say "Stop, that's the one", that time is moot. So to those who say, "The paradigm has shifted. The power now is in the artists' hands." We say, "Beware the illusion." The paradigm is not shifting as quickly as we are being led to believe. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: RE: (exotica) Bruce haack Date: 08 Nov 1999 12:04:03 -0000 Citizen Kafka said > 1) Yes the Bruce Haack/Esther Nelson Dimension 5 reissue on Emperor > Norton is out. > > 2) The initial pressing is apparently sold out, and they are repressing > more. That doesn't mean it isn't in the stores, etc., so check your > favorite local store which carries such things. > > So I went out looking for it on Saturday, in the big mans record shops, where they sell the new stuff. Usually this is a bit rash (in wallet terms). So anyway, I looked though the normal places in the shop and couldn't find it, but I did find a Free Design double 10" comp in the sale, and 'Soothing sounds for baby vol III' quite cheap. While I was waiting for my mate to buy 'Bombay the Hard Way', 'Club Morricone' and an Irma comp, I idly flicked through the Psychedelic section, and there, just waiting for me was a nice new copy of Bruce Haacks 'Electric Lucifer'. I was back in that queue so quick you wouldn't believe it. Its a great LP too, strangely not as noisy and harsh as the kids stuff I have on D5, but quite odd, I don't think the psychedelic filing was too far off, it's more West Coast Pop Art Experimental band, folky harmonies, funny electronic noises. Wonderful, very much occupying an area of its own, one of those records where you can compare it to stuff, but not really describe it. I assume it is a boot, and I'm surprised I can't remember anyone mentioning it being about. As for the other bits, Soothing sounds for baby is early 90's ambient music incarnated 30 years before, very nice. Well one side is great, the other side is similar stuff, but with tapping noises of different pitches, more than a little irritating, and although you can see what Raymond Scott was driving at, 5 minutes would have been enough rather than the whole of one side. But still the first side is top. I'd got the impression from various discussions that Free Design were a modern group. but no, late sixties very nice harmonies, very light summer pop. I'm sure someone on the list hosts a site for them, could anyone post a URL as I'm intrigued. I just love the idea of an LP called 'Kites are Fun'. The comp is a really nice package too. I just love the white vinyl. As for my mates records, 'Bombay the hard way', its another fake, isn't it? All new Indian style hip hop. Fun, but definitely fake. The Club Morricone is pretty strange, too. Side 1 is groovy pop, sandpipers etc, the you flip it over and it just starts gratuitously rocking out. Not that I'm complaining, but it sounded for a while that the pressing plant had got confused and pressed up on side of Morricone and one side of some dodgy Italian heavy metal band. Cheers El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.shitola.freeserve.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Citizen Kafka Subject: Re: (exotica) Bruce haack Date: 08 Nov 1999 07:32:22 -0500 emcq, congrats on a productive buying spree. There is a rumor that buried somewhere, probably never released, is a volume II of Electric Lucifer. Keep your eyes peeled! That means everyone! take care, ck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr. Otis F. Odder" Subject: (exotica) The Friendly Persuasion Real Audio Hour Date: 08 Nov 1999 05:14:16 -0800 Greetings, This week on the Friendly Persuasion show we will take a trip on the interstellar spacecraft, "The MOFO Enterprise". Our final destination will be "The Planet of Vinyl" where we will find many sounds to delight our ears with. Our stay on "The Planet" will only be for one hour and then our trusty space navigators will make sure you return to your percise location that you were at when you left your home planet, Earth. Takeoff will commence on your command. Your Enterprise is located at, http://www.antennaradio.com/punk/friendlypersuasion/index.htm Selections this week come from Joe Meek, The Ventures, Mrs. Miller, Lucia Pamela, Leonard Nimoy, The Jeff Wayne Space Shuttle, The Legendary Stardust Cowboy, 101 Strings, The Black Motion Picture Experience, The Bonzo Dog Band, Howard Menger, Enoch Light, National Lampoon, Buchanann and Goodman, and more. Friendly Persuasion airs every week in real audio format and is now the official radio hour of Cool and Strange Music Magazine. Shows change every Sunday, and the show is archived to listen to for the entire week. Thank you. I hope your trip this week is an enjoyable one. Please remember that there will no in-flight drinks for your trip will be only one hour. Smoking is allowed in the lavatory and cockpit only. Mr. Otis F. Odder Communication Officer (MOFO Enterprise) ============ see what is coming up on future shows here...... http://nimenet.com/fodder/fp/index.html ============ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) [obits] Jerry Blake,David Schickele,James Goldstone,Albert J. Whitlock,Prince Ruzzo Reuss von Plauen Date: 08 Nov 1999 10:04:52 -0500 The Associated Press Saturday, Nov. 6, 1999; 5:07 a.m. EST MILWAUKEE –– Swing band leader Jerry Blake, who arranged music for the dance bands of Lawrence Welk and Wayne King, died Oct. 27 of congestive heart disease, his family said. He was 80. Blake died in Las Vegas, where he lived while leading orchestras for several years. Born Marvin W. Voigt, his band went on to perform in Milwaukee, Chicago and New York, and with vocalists including Frank Sinatra, Tony Bennett and Fabian. His son, Richard Voigt, said notables such as King, Welk, Guy Lombardo and Benny Goodman would pay early-morning visits to the family home for something to eat after performances in Milwaukee. The ballroom where Blake's band was featured for 18 years closed in 1968. By 1980, he moved to Las Vegas, leading an orchestra for 15 years at Arizona Charlie's casino and occasionally the Santa Fe. He staged a farewell performance at Arizona Charlie's last New Year's Eve. David Schickele SAN FRANCISCO (AP) – David Schickele, a San Francisco Bay area filmmaker, violist and composer, died Oct. 31 of cancer. He was 62. As a film editor his work included the feature films "Crazy Quilt" and "Funnan," directed by John Korty; "Over, Under Sideways Down" for Gene Corr and Steve Wax; and "Chalk" for Rob Nilsson. He's best known for "Bushman," a feature-length film made in 1971 about an African student at San Francisco State University who struggles to resolve tribal, personal and racial fraction. The film won numerous awards and was accepted by the Pacific Film Archive at the University of California-Berkeley, and the Museum of Modern Art in New York for their archives. The Associated Press Sunday, Nov. 7, 1999; 9:12 p.m. EST SHAFTSBURY, Vt. (AP) – James Goldstone, a longtime director of feature films and television shows, including the pilot episode of "Star Trek," died of cancer Friday. He was 68. Of his experience with the "Star Trek" pilot, Goldstone once said that he was hired not because he had any special expertise in science fiction, but because he had done a couple of episodes of "Outer Limits," and knew "Star Trek" creator Gene Roddenberry from working with him on the "Highway Patrol" series. Goldstone said he had never bothered viewing the final version of the "Star Trek" pilot, "Where No Man Has Gone Before," because he didn't enjoy watching television. But he said he enjoyed his short experience with the show. Goldstone also directed movies including "Red Sky at the Morning," "Winning," and "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight." He won a directing Emmy in 1981 for the TV movie "Kent State," and was nominated in 1970 for "Clear and Present Danger," another TV movie. In 1988, Goldstone and his wife, Ruth, moved to Vermont, where he was active in the arts, directing plays for the Oldcastle Theatre Company in Bennington and serving as head of the state Film Commission. From 11/5/99 Variety -- Albert Whitlock Albert J. Whitlock, Oscar-winning visual effects artist, died Oct. 26 in Santa Barbara following a lengthy illness. He was 84. Born in central London in 1915, he began his career in British film studios as a young teenager. His artistic abilities brought him studio jobs in sign and title lettering, then scenic painting, and finally matte painting — the art of seamlessly combining realistic paintings with live-action photography. In the early 1950s, his phenomenal skills caught Walt Disney's eye while Whitlock was working on one of Disney's English productions. Disney encouraged him to move his young family to America, hinting at a job offer. After an anxious period as a billboard artist in San Francisco, Whitlock was finally hired at the Disney studio. His first assignment was lettering the titles for "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea." In the early 1960s, Whitlock moved to Universal Studios to head its matte department. There he expanded the importance of matte painting, as it became a tool in filmic storytelling. At Universal, Whitlock created matte effects and designs for more than 140 films, but he was best known for his close association with Alfred Hitchcock, particularly for his work in "The Birds," "Marnie," "Torn Curtain" and "Topaz." Hitchcock declared Whitlock to be "the finest artist working in films." Along the way, Whitlock won back-to-back Oscars for "Earthquake" and "The Hindenburg." He stayed at Universal until his retirement in 1985; among his last films were "Greystoke: The Legend of Tarzan, Lord of the Apes" and "Dune." On movies including "The Learning Tree," "Bound for Glory," "The Sting" and "History of the World Part One," Whitlock made dust storms and tornadoes operate on cue, and brought the past to life. Whitlock was a former governor of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences and an associate member of the American Society of Cinematographers. He is survived by his wife, June; sons John and Mark; and two grandsons. From the BBC Online: Former Abba star Anni-Frid Lyngstad is mourning the death of her husband who lost his battle against cancer in Sweden earlier this week. German Prince Ruzzo Reuss von Plauen died aged 49 with 53-year-old Anni-Frid at his side. The funeral will take place on 11 November. The couple married in Denmark in 1992 and lived at Ruzzo's castle in Switzerland. Ruzzo grew up in Rome but spent the summers with his Swedish mother Louise. His title was inherited from his father Enzio. The family ruled the Reuss sovereignty in the former East Germany up until 1918. Ruzzo leaves twin daughters Henriette and Pauline from his first marriage to a Norwegian ship-owner's daughter. It's not the first time that Swedish pop veteran Anni-Frid's life has been touched by tragedy. Two years ago her daughter, Ann Lise-Lotte Casper, was killed in a traffic accident in the US aged 30. Anni-Frid had been married twice before - first to her childhood love Ragnar Fredriksson and famously to her bandmate Benny Andersson in 1978. A grandmother and staunch ecological campaigner, Anni-Frid was reported to be too busy nursing Ruzzo for the opening night of the Abba musical Mamma Mia! when opened last April at London's Prince Edward Theatre She has, however, maintained a recording career. Recently she was back in the Swedish charts with a duet, Wonderful World, with Marie Frederiksson of the duo Roxette. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 08 Nov 1999 16:54:00 -0500 Thanks for responding, Paul. I didn't ask my question to put you on the defensive; I thought you could provide a frank insider's point of view. I also asked from the perspective of a working artist married to a working artist. Both of us have realized much less economic gain from our work--and it is work, very hard work--than those who produced the work, in our cases, publishers. The situation will only get worse if the means of production and distribution come under control of a handful of immense and enormously powerful megacorporations created by mergers. Because the operating expenses of megacorporations are proportionately enormous, and because megacorporations must give primacy to building stockholder value, artists have fewer avenues for the production and distribution of their work. >grotesque levels of music piracy... elaborating further i would not >do in good conscience. it would only contribute to its proliferation. I really hoped that the Net would provide artists a fairer means of distribution than we have now--"fairer" meaning the creators get the largest slice of the profit pie from their creations. And this is happening on the Net, as shrewd applications of the technologies of mass communications show--the comments about mp3 files, for instance, or artists who sell their stuff through their own web sites. I don't think the Net is the panacea that some yahoo-tech-boneheads think it is. The newsletter bit you posted is right -- artists should do what they do best. But it's rotton when artists can't make the $$ they deserve for their creative work. I view piracy as a necessary cost or risk that artists must take to gain greater control over the distribution their work--it's a smart way to build audiences for those who lack or don't want corporate backing. >the indies model is largely the same as the majors'. that is unless you >are talking about pure one man bedroom record labels, which really in >a business view is really just an extension of the band/artist anyway. Yup, that's what I'm talking about--art as a cottage industry, as it were. >the underlying principles of a contract from rykodisc, rhino, or epitaph is >virtually identical to that you'd find from a major. i don't think i've >heard about any 'above ground' indies giving away the masters/copyrights' >of albums' they paid to record to the artists', simply because they may >be more genuinely into their music. No, that kind of thinking is naive. Of course producers are entitled to regain their investment and make *some* profit...but it's wrong that they take a higher share of the profits than creators, whose talent and work make the profits possible in the first place. >relative to the net biz 'model'; i don't know really... all i know is if >the road we are on continues something would have to change. > >the economics >of music industry don't include a provision for 10, 20, or 30 percent of >the aggregate demand for prerecorded music in the us to be satiated >by piracy. less choices and less chances would be taken than even now. Agreed. And the majors, in film, television, recording, and publishing are already becoming more selective in the products they choose to produce. But I also think the entertainment industries must alter their business models to provide bigger royalties to the creators. Technology demands it; technology is moving to a place where artists can control the means of distribution themselves--call it guerrilla distribution. Given this situation, Paul, do you understand why I find the megacorporations' screams of protest against piracy because it rips off artists a tad disingenuous? I've very little sympathy for the corporados who bewail the evils of piracy when their business models seek to build their profits without offering decent pay and wide promotion of artists. If cottage industry web sites are the best way for artists to build a audience that will get them make a living wage, then man, teach me to exploit the technology. In the meantime, let's buy music, books, video cassettes of films directly from the creators as often as we can. Jane, if you're still onlist, I wanna buy the AstroSlut CD from you, not a secondhand web site. You just got laid off--where can I send my check? Nat, I wanna buy a tape of Vinyl from you: are any available? Mo, would you please post the URL so people can buy your book from you? ComEd folks, can I buy the vinyl of Impossible World from you? Michael Zadoorian, please let us know how we can buy your novel about thrifting from you when it's published. Otto and other publishers of zines: Please post subscription info and how and where we can get back issues. Who else has made something they have for sale? Everyone, please post to the list addresses, pricing and shipping cost info plus anything we need to know about international buys. Yours in guerrilla economics, Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin C." Subject: (exotica) Peter Bergeron related to Vic? Date: 08 Nov 1999 15:00:46 -0800 This is the quote from Peter Seely (Trader Vic's grandson) "No, I dont think that he is realated in any way but its fun to see that there are other Bergerons around." There you have it... Kevin Crossman The Search for the Ultimate Mai Tai http://www.kevdo.com/maitai/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darrell Brogdon" Subject: (exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour Date: 08 Nov 1999 18:54:57 -0600 Tchaikovsky meets the Bossa Nova on this week's Retro Cocktail Hour webcast. We'll give a listen to "Moon Love", based on a theme from Tchaikovsky's fifth symphony, done bossa nova-style by Marty Gold. Also on the menu -- a tune from the new "Mannix" CD, featuring Lalo Schifrin and the WDR Big Band; Ferrante and Teicher's "Hong Kong Soul Brother", which always sounds to me like the theme from a Bruce Lee film (we'll throw in Schifrin's theme from "Enter the Dragon" just to complete the circle!); crime jazz by Billy May, Frank Comstock and Henry Mancini; exotica from Frank Hunter's "White Goddess" and Les Baxter's "Ritual of the Savage"; "Night Train" with a dash of Latin spice, courtesy of drummer Tino Contreras (anybody ever run across his "Percusiones Exoticas"?); plus the Waikiki Beachboys from the new Taboo CD "Duke Kahanamoku Presents A Beachboy Party". To hear The Retro Cocktail Hour on the Web, just go to: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Requires a minimum 28.8 Internet connection and RealPlayer. A new show is added to the site every week. When you visit, check out the new display in our album cover gallery. This month -- Passionate Percussion! Thanks for the space. Darrell Brogdon dbrogdon@ukans.edu The Retro Cocktail Hour KANU Radio Broadcasting Hall The University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045 Visit The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Listen to The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retrolisten.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin C." Subject: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site Date: 08 Nov 1999 17:36:19 -0800 http://www.lesbaxter.com/ I just ran across this... site seems pretty new. Lots of great background info on Les (though if there is anything worse than horizontal scrolling webpages I don't know what it is). The story of Les Baxter is often bittersweet... but this site does some justice to the man... Kevin Crossman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Br. Cleve" Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 08 Nov 1999 22:03:24 -0500 At 4:54 PM -0500 11/8/99, Mimi Mayer wrote: >ComEd folks, can I buy the vinyl of Impossible World from you? Unfortunately, no. They were limited pressings (around 3000 I believe on each ComEd album) and are sold out. br cleve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 08 Nov 1999 22:11:13 EST In a message dated 11/8/99 2:43:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, mimim@texas.net writes: << The situation will only get worse if the means of production and distribution come under control of a handful of immense and enormously powerful megacorporations created by mergers. Because the operating expenses of megacorporations are proportionately enormous, and because megacorporations must give primacy to building stockholder value, artists have fewer avenues for the production and distribution of their work. >> What do you mean it will get worse "when" we have these megacorporations? That is what we have now. There are smaller labels out there but by far the majority (numbers anyone???) of CD's produced now are by a small group of megacorporations. TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 08 Nov 1999 22:10:41 -0700 On Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 02:52:03AM -0800, Paul Moshay wrote: >> will become of music if the music industry can't make it's money from >> selling the object containing the prerecorded music?". I have some >> ideas, but I'd like to hear some of yall's. > > the labels don't care what media their artists' music is sold on. > there is no vested interest in any particular 'object' or delivery > media. There is certainly *some* vested interest, given the labels' huge investments in pressing plants and distribution networks. If you need evidence, look no further than Warner Brothers' continued attempts to foist cardboard-based packaging off on the buyers of various media formats in order to keep their Ivy Hill plant busy (first it made LP sleeves, then it made CD longboxes, now it makes CD Digipaks and DVD "Snapper" cases). -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Moshay Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 08 Nov 1999 21:38:47 -0800 > There is certainly *some* vested interest, given the labels' huge investments > in pressing plants and distribution networks. If you need evidence, look no > further than Warner Brothers' continued attempts to foist cardboard-based > packaging off on the buyers of various media formats in order to keep their > Ivy Hill plant busy (first it made LP sleeves, then it made CD longboxes, > now it makes CD Digipaks and DVD "Snapper" cases). some vested interest, clearly. their core biz is though ownership and exploitation of copyrighted works, theme parks, broadcast networks, etc. in a related note, some interesting and uncommonly public propaganda is made public by time-warner here; http://www.pathfinder.com/corp Paul Moshay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: (exotica) That early? Date: 09 Nov 1999 11:02:48 +0100 Looks like Exotic music has been going on for much longer than I thought. Looks like it was even rocking the cradle of record industry. The friend who sent me this, claims, that it was Hawaiian music that was leading in helping the new medium shellack record to become a success. Well..., this article says that in the 10s of this century Hawaiian music was a national (USA) craze.... Wolfe, Charles K.: Kentucky Country. Folk and Country Music of Kentucky. Lexington: University Press of Kentucky 1982. About Cliff Carlisle (p.62): Like many early string band professionals, Cliff began his career playing Hawaiian music. When he was growing up in Spencer County, Kentucky, where he was born near Mt. Eden in 1904, Hawaiian music was a national craze. Guitarists like Sol Hoopi and Frank Ferera made early records that had a wide appeal, especially in the South. "I always did like the Hawaiian steel guitar," recalled Garlisle. "I bought every record of this instrument I could get, and I played them until they scratched so badly you couldn't hear them." Unlike many guitarists who played Hawaiian style, Carlisle did not start out playing standard guitar; early in his eareer he inserted a steel nut under the strings of his little Sears guitar, and he liked the sound so weil that he never tried to play any other way. He became, in the words of his discographer, Gene Earle, "one of the few artists to successfully use the steel guitar as a solo accompanying instrument." About the Cumberland Ridgerunners und Doc Hopkins (p.53): lt was a young, spirited group-Lair was about the only member over thirty-and it soon became the favorite band on the "Barn Dance" in the early 1930s. Though the publicity photos of the time show the crew dressed in stylized "hilllbilly" costumes and sitting on bales of straw, the members were not exactly fresh from the mountains. Hopkins had had ten years' experience working with medicine shows, wandering around the country and playing Hawaiian music. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 09 Nov 1999 09:17:56 EST In a message dated 11/9/99 2:03:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, exotica@munich.netsurf.de writes: << Well..., this article says that in the 10s of this century Hawaiian music was a national (USA) craze.... >> Oh yeah, and I have tons of old 78s to prove it. The Hawaiian ukulele actually was played in many other orchestral arrangements. TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 09 Nov 1999 10:14:16 -0500 At 10:11 PM 11/8/99, Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote: ><< The situation will only get worse if the means of production and > distribution come under control of a handful of immense and enormously > powerful megacorporations created by mergers. >What do you mean it will get worse "when" we have these megacorporations? >That is what we have now. Agreed, TB. I was thinking specifically of Time Warner, Viacom, and,in publishing, the German firm Bertelsmann. The business media forecast that this trend will continue--in many industries beyond entertainment. This is our cue to quake in fear :). MM # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Paul replies...Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 09 Nov 1999 10:47:09 -0500 Some time last night, the agile-minded and genial Paul Moshay wrote: sending this just to you... if your reply was on list and want to forward my reply to the list, go ahead and do so... ********* on 11/8/99 10:03 AM the incisive Mimi Mayer scribbled; > Thanks for responding, Paul. I didn't ask my question to put you on the > defensive i had not felt that really. was only addressing raising the issue you had touched upon, if i recall correctly :) > The situation will only get worse if the means of production and > distribution come under control of a handful of immense and enormously > I really hoped that the Net would provide artists a fairer means of > distribution than we have now--"fairer" meaning the creators get the i don't think the more fair distribution would go as far as the artist receiving a majority of profits, for the average artist at least. > make the $$ they deserve for their creative work. I view piracy as a > necessary cost or risk that artists must take to gain greater control over > the distribution their work--it's a smart way to build audiences outside o= f > corporate funding. how does making your music available to freely copy infinitely at no cost, benefit an artist monetarily? if artists feel they do not get a fair shake from the familiar record deal, how is giving away their recorded songs unprotected from unlimited piracy going to better their situation? is the unstated notion that giving away the music, acts would make money selling concert tix or teeshirts, etc. ? this is the part that bewilders me. in a pure digital transmission world without copyright piracy protection, where does the artist 'earn a living' exactly ? i'm confused, enlighten me. >> heard about any 'above ground' indies giving away the masters/copyrights' >> of albums' they paid to record to the artists', simply because they may >> be more genuinely into their music. > > No, that kind of thinking is naive. Of course producers are entitled to > regain their investment and make *some* profit...but it's wrong that they > take a higher share of the profits than creators, whose talent and work > make the profits possible in the first place. possibly, though most artists are not successful economically and the ones that are have generally have short lifespans... pop music is like talking about perishables in a sad sense. therefore majors know that and that there are thousands of artists out there willing to sign for a shot at mass success that they would almost never have otherwise. >> of music industry don't include a provision for 10, 20, or 30 percent of >> the aggregate demand for prerecorded music in the us to be satiated >> by piracy. less choices and less chances would be taken than even now. > > Agreed. And the majors, in film, television, recording, and publishing are > already becoming more selective in the products they choose to produce. Bu= t > I also think the entertainment industries must alter their business models > to provide bigger royalties to the creators. Technology demands it; > technology is moving to a place whenere artists can control the means of > distribution themselves--call it guerrilla distribution. Given this > situation, Paul, do you understand why I find the megacorporations' scream= s > of protest against piracy because it rips off artists a tad disingenuous? yes, and they should simply come clean or cleaner with that. they are concerned about both themselves and their acts. bear in mind that many majors also support their acts lifestyles to one degree or another with the notion that it is worth it to allow them freedom to write/record/ tour...and keep their lives intact while doing so. labels' will eventually have to give a bigger share of profits to artists' i believe. the bigger acts' ability to run their own careers over the net without label support. after the beastie boys next album their contract is up with capitol, and they have everything set up to do it *all* on their own. others will follow suit, and that ability will tip things a bit more evenly between labels and acts generally. > I've very little sympathy for the corporados who bewail the evils of pirac= y > when their business models seek to build their profits without offering > decent pay and wide promotion of artists. If cottage industry web sites ar= e > the best way for artists to build a audience that will get them make a > living wage, then man, teach me to exploit the technology. if the major/indies cannot exploit the masters' of their artists' releases they pay to create, they'd put their money in other ventures. Up to a "certain" executive level in these companies these are really music people that like yourself want to earn a living by doing something they love...but that can't continue if as a company they're giving away their output. > In the meantime, let's buy music, books, video cassettes of films directly > from the creators as often as we can. Jane, I wanna buy the AstroSlut CD Agreed! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) fwd: Online Music Sales Booming - Survey Date: 09 Nov 1999 11:18:12 -0500 FYI, y'all. -Lou lousmith@pipeline.com 11/04/99 Online Music Sales Booming - Survey Online music sales are booming and only rank behind books as the most popular item bought on the Web, a survey found. The study, released by the market research firm Greenfield Online, found that almost 60 percent of the people polled purchased music online in the past 90 days. A third of those who purchased music online spent between $50 to $150, and most planned to spend even more in the future. However, two of the top three music purchases came from stores not specifically devoted to music. Leading the way with 44 percent of the visitors was amazon.com, followed by CDNow.com with 39 percent. Barnesandnoble.com was third with 27 percent. The much-publicized MP3.com, which allows users to download music directly from the site onto their own hardware, was fourth with 16 percent. "The reason why amazon.com and barnesandnoble.com ranked so high has a lot to do with Internet branding," Tricia Rosen, product manager at Greenfield Online, said. "They get their name out there and transit you into other products they offer. They capture you." Rosen said many MP3.com customers downgraded their experience at the site due to ease of navigation, content satisfaction, and customer service. The survey, which polled 5,100 people who have shopped for music in the past 90 days, found that four out of 10 believe satisfactory customer service is essential for them to make a purchase from the site. Seventy-nine percent said price is a big factor and will not buy from the site if they can find it cheaper, despite the convenience. Nearly half have abandoned purchases because it involved shipping charges, and most are willing to pay extra for custom music mixes. http://www.bizreport.com/news/1999/11/991104-1.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Grandia" Subject: Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! Date: 09 Nov 1999 11:02:31 -0800 http://www.lesbaxter.com/ What a GORGEOUS site! The Shockwave stuff is KILLER, and the streaming files are a real treat. There's even a link to email Les's family! No time read it all yet, but I plan on mixin' me a cocktail, gettin' cozy and spendin' some quality time with Les real soon. Here's a listening tip: When you click on a file to listen, it will ask you if you want to copy it to your hard-drive or open it from there. Either way, you have to wait for it to download - BUT - if you right-click and choose "copy shortcut" then open Winamp or whatever player you have, click "ctrl-L" and paste this shortcut into the "open location" window, it will stream directly from the site. This works for most soundfiles on the web provided you have the necessary bandwidth to play that file. Ron > >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: (exotica) Theremin Goes Country Date: 09 Nov 1999 11:32:07 -0800 (PST) http://www.bigbriar.com/forum.htm A little link to a theremin played country by Ed Stanley, "King of the Hillbilly Theremin" Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 09 Nov 1999 20:27:03 +0100 Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote: > << Well..., this article says that in the 10s of this century > Hawaiian music was a national (USA) craze.... > >> > > Oh yeah, and I have tons of old 78s to prove it. The Hawaiian ukulele > actually was played in many other orchestral arrangements. Hey, and why didn't you tell us, you sonophilus conspirativus!? Don't you see? This gives Exotica music an entirely new dimension. According to this, Exotica is the original music that first was published on any recorded medium. It fits so perfect: A totally artificial new medium comes with this artificial music. I can only imagine how exotic a Hawaiian record on one of the first phonographs must really have sounded to the ears of the people of the turn of the century. What I'm saying is, that Exotic music in this context was absolutely futuristic in the beginning! When Picasso did his revolution in art of bringing primitive sculptures into western painting at around 1905-07, there was a craze of Hawaiian music going on in America? That's amazing. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kingkini@tamboo.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! Date: 09 Nov 1999 13:40:56 -0600 >What a GORGEOUS site! The Shockwave stuff is KILLER, and the streaming >files are a real treat. There's even a link to email Les's family! yes, it is a very nice site. it was done by Les's daughter Leslie (i'm not sure who actually designed it). my only disappointment (an admittedly selfish one) is that they lifted most of the LP covers right off my Baxter site (which has been up for a number of years and praised by many including Leslie and Capitol). i know, i know, i don't own the rights to the cover art, but if you knew how long it took me to scan all of those covers (each in four pieces!)... you get my point. They could have asked... or credited.. or something. anyway, the moral is: don't ignore the original Les Baxter site... http://www.tamboo.com/baxter Embrace all that is Baxter. Les is More. ...and for God's sake, bookmark the "Cocktail Nation" links page! you'd have known about Leslie's site a long time ago! http://www.tamboo.com/clubvelvet/loungelinks.html visit... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ King Kini's C L U B V E L V E T http://www.tamboo.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sandberg Magnus" Subject: (exotica) Dine at Exotica Date: 09 Nov 1999 20:47:16 +0100 So it wasnt music after all.... It was a restaurant. http://www.dine.co.za/exotica.html Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 09 Nov 1999 15:56:37 EST In a message dated 11/09/99 2:27:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, exotica@munich.netsurf.de writes: << What I'm saying is, that Exotic music in this context was absolutely futuristic in the beginning! When Picasso did his revolution in art of bringing primitive sculptures into western painting at around 1905-07, there was a craze of Hawaiian music going on in America? That's amazing. >> the 1920's really saw a more pronounced interest in Hawaiian music. this continued to build thru out the 30's and 40's. and i like to think of the Gaugain anology about being ahead of his time --- i mean living with the topless natives and all. TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nat Kone Subject: Re: (exotica) Paul replies...Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 09 Nov 1999 16:09:53 -0500 At 10:47 AM 11/9/99 -0500, Mimi Mayer wrote: > >if the major/indies cannot exploit the masters' of their artists' >releases they pay to create, they'd put their money in other ventures. Or maybe that was Paul said that. I might have gotten lost. But my response is the same. That'll never happen and if it does, who cares? Some earlier post said something to the effect of "With all this talk of artists selling online, can anyone name an artist who has sold well strictly online?" or something to that effect. I don't know sales figures but I know that self-produced and distributed acts like Jane Siberry have augmented their sales through online distribution. I've never bought anything online - unless you include buying records from people on this list - but someday when I have less time to haunt used record stores and maybe good enough credit to get a card, I'm sure I will. I'm not going to downplay the importance of major record companies but I don't think it's too much of an exaggeration to say that their interest is in selling 25 million copies of a single record and not in selling 25 thousand copies of a thousand different records. That's where new kinds of distribution come in handy. Without record company involvement, a lot of artists could survive and even flourish on sales of 25 thousand. Or even much less. Online distribution is not a panacea and major media conglomerates will always find a way to dominate production and distribution. But that's not because they do it better. It's because most people who buy records want to buy the same record everyone else buys so that they can be like everyone else. For people who actually want to find the music that they personally enjoy, regardless of how many others do, online distribution will undoubtedly become more and more significant. I don't really have anything to say about people downloading free music but I think it's a rare person who wants the music more than they want "the object" and I can't imagine this phenomenon seriously hurting anyone's sales. Some people are happy with the tape their friend makes them. And some become more driven to find the record that the tape came from. Sorry if I just repeated someone's earlier thoughts. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jazzbaby27@aol.com Subject: (exotica) a new moog cd Date: 09 Nov 1999 16:41:46 EST there was a new moog compilation cd released on november second... Best of the Moog - Electronic Pop Hits from the 60's and 70's. My cd just arrived from amazon today.. and it's fabulous!!!!!! the track listing is as follows: 1. Popcorn - Hot Butter 2. Savers, The - Perrey-Kingsley 3. E.V.A. - Jean Jacques Perrey 4. Look Of Love, The - Richard Hayman 5. Midnight Cowboy - Martin Denny 6. One Note Samba - Perrey-Kingsley / Spanish Flea - Perrey-Kingsley 7. Foggy Mountain Breakdown - Gil Trythall 8. Bond St. - Enoch Light & The Light Brigade 9. Winchester Cathedral - Perrey - Kingsley 10. I Apologize Mr. Rossini - Armando Trovaioli 11. Baroque Hoedown - Perrey - Kingsley 12. Jeepster - Electric Cokernut 13. Kinky Peanuts - Armando Trovaioli 14. Back Off Boogaloo - Elektrik Cokernut 15. Shank - First Moog Quartet 16. Moog Power - Hugo Montenegro & His Orchestra 17. Give It Up Or Turn It Loose - Dick Hyman 18. Hey Hey - First Moog Quartet 19. E.V.A. - Jean Jacques Perrey (Fatboy Slim remix) remix)http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00001R3NJ/o/qid=942183643/sr=8-3/002-6548682-7376252 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! Date: 09 Nov 1999 16:49:58 -0500 ...and another thing: which version of "Quiet Village" is that? It sounds like the original, but overlaid with bird calls. It is NOT Martin Denny's. Was Baxter's original reissued with ornithology? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robbie Baldock" Subject: (exotica) Lester Bowie RIP? Date: 09 Nov 1999 22:14:38 -0000 Is anyone able to confirm or otherwise the news I just read on a newsgroup that Lester Bowie passed away yesterday? I haven't been able to find out anything anywhere on the net... Robbie ** ** ** * Spaced Out - the Enoch Light Website * ** ** ** ** ** ** * http://www.rcb.easynet.co.uk/light/ * ** ** ** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Lester Bowie RIP? Date: 09 Nov 1999 17:24:51 -0500 Robbie Baldock wrote: > Is anyone able to confirm or otherwise the news I just read on a newsgroup that Lester Bowie passed away yesterday? I haven't been able to find out anything anywhere on the net... Robbie Sadly, it appears to be true. See:http://elvispelvis.com/lesterbowie.htm Lou lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Moshay Subject: Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! Date: 09 Nov 1999 14:33:56 -0800 what application opens an ".asp" sound file on mac? weird i have every app under the sun here, but nothing happening opening the sound files within that site. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "telstar" Subject: (exotica) Playlist for "Mondo Bongos" Nov 10, 1999 Date: 09 Nov 1999 17:39:08 -0500 "Mondo Bongos" can be heard every Wednesday mornings at 9 on CFRU 93.3fm in Guelph, Ontario, Canada. Comments & questions welcome. Amon Duul II - Wolf City "Wolf City" Eno - The Great Pretender "Taking Tiger Mountain (by Strategy)" Egg - Long Piece #1/Part 1 "The Polite Force" John Cale/Terry Riley - The Protege "Church of Anthrax" Faust - Party 3 "The Last Lp" Curver - ...udagur "Sjo" Spacemen 3 - Suicide "Playing with Fire" Dimentia 13 - Lysergic Mental Vibrations "Dimentia 13" The Index - Israeli Blues "The Index" Mutantes - Panis et Circenses "Os Mutantes" Mutantes - Banho De Lua "Mutantes" The Mandrake Memorial - Earthfriend "Puzzle" Amon Duul - Shattering and Falling "Collapsing" Ron Geesin - Hiding Haul of Voices, Hail! "Right Through" Until next time... Allan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kristjan Saag" Subject: (exotica) Xavier Cugat Date: 10 Nov 1999 00:39:58 +0100 I'm working on a newspaper article about Xavier Cugat (who was born = January 1st 1900). Does anyone know of a biography of Cugat or anything = substantial of biographical nature about him? Kristjan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin C." Subject: Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! Date: 09 Nov 1999 15:43:12 -0800 Brian Phillips wrote: > > ...and another thing: which version of "Quiet Village" is that? It sounds > like the original, but overlaid with bird calls. It is NOT Martin > Denny's. Was Baxter's original reissued with ornithology? Yes, definitely not the original (Ritual of the Savage) version (in addition to birdcalls also has additional percussion). It is credited to Dionysis copyright 1995. Anyone else have any ideas? Kevin Crossman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin C." Subject: Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! Date: 09 Nov 1999 15:42:05 -0800 Paul Moshay wrote: > > what application opens an ".asp" sound file on mac? > weird i have every app under the sun here, but nothing > happening opening the sound files within that site. That would be ".asf" I believe it is for the Windows Media Player (which, I think there is a Mac version available) -kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 09 Nov 1999 18:47:55 -0500 This has become a frighteningly complex thread. But my wooden nickels on a few points... 1) As you may recall, I've been saying for a long time that the 'net has the potential to let artists cut out the middleman and connect directly with the audience. But of course, the traditional industry will not take that lightly. I suppose the extreme possibilties would be: A big-money controlled 'net where *everything* is encrypted, digital-watermarked and automatically debited from your 'net credit' account when you download it. And individuals are shut out by a combination of high-cost-of-entry/operation and regulations ensuring same. Yeah, these constantly larger and more centralized mega-corps are very scary. A groovy utopia where artists dole out their visions without interference and no one ever rips them off. Ha ha ha ha. Reality surely somewhere messy in between the two. 2) I'm curious about the source of the "Illusion Of Power" article that Paul posted. It does make some good points. But with its overall tone of, "hey artists, quit dreaming and get back to working within The Machine," it sounds sounds like it sourced from someone within the machine. I was also amused by its line about "A new artist on any MP3 site is just one in a million faces." So? How is that any different from the music scene at large? 3) One night in the late 80s, I was switching through the channels and happened on yet another generic hair metal band on MTV. After going blech, I was surprised to discover some sympathy for the l'il substance abusers... just more cannon fodder for the music industry to chew through... "man, they're just another fly on the windshield." Later, I had the sad vision that everyone is just another fly on the windshield of the industry. Even the big successful artists. It just takes longer to become obvious for them. Although perhaps it would be more accurate to see the artists as oxygen molecules sucked into the carburetor of the music industry and burned up in its ever-hungry engine. The sales money is gasoline. And the oil is, erm, payola! Sometimes I think Charles Ives was really onto something with his "real musicians have day jobs" philosophy. 4) Basing your business on encryption is a shaky proposition, as any encryption can be broken sooner or later. And isn't there a quote somewhere to the effect that "if you treat someone as a criminal, they will eventually behave as a criminal"? When I was a kid, there was a 5&10 store in town (in case the term is not familiar in your neighborhood, perhaps "dime store" or "variety store"?). When kids would go in, the elderly ladies who worked there would follow them around, watching like hawks to be sure they didn't steal anything. Eventually the honest kids avoided the store because they didn't like being treated like crooks. The only kids who went in were the the ones looking for the kicks of stealing something and maybe getting away with it. The music business grew and thrived through decades without encryption... the eras of shellac, vinyl, tape, CDs. Is it really necessary now? The best defense against bootlegging or piracy is to make a product easily available at a price perceived as cheap. I think given such an opportunity, most people would prefer to buy legit (and if you knew what a misanthrope I can be, you would laughing as loud as I am at the sight of me saying that). 5) When the Y2K bogieman takes everything down, it's going to be nothing but live acoustic music anyway (and Gramophones & Victrolas), so why worry. (yeah, I'm joking) 6) You really DO want the Astroslut cd. Mine arrived today and it's a blast(off). That Quinn Martian is such a prankster. E-mail andrew_farmer@harvard.edu for 'direct' ordering info. m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Subject: Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! Date: 09 Nov 1999 17:54:59 -0600 arghhh!! They spelled "theremin" *wrong*! -- Kerry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) Francoise Hardy Date: 09 Nov 1999 20:42:27 -0500 I've acquired this Francoise Hardy album: "Francoise....." Four Corners Of The World Records (a Kapp Records sub-label). Songs (for identification purposes): Ce Petit Coeur Il Se Fait Tard Tout Ce Qu'on M'a Dit L'Amitie En T'Attendant Je T'Aime Non Ce N'est Pas Un Reve Quel Mal Y A-T-Il A Ca Tu Peux Bien Le Temps Des Souvenirs Je Pensais Dis Lui Non I like it, but other than brief mentions of her on the list, I don't really know anything about her. Perhaps some of you 'yeh yeh' experts could shed some light? Her work in general? Where this fits in? Does this correspond to a differently titled French release was it comped together for the American market? Thanks again, m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nat Kone Subject: Re: (exotica) a new moog cd Date: 09 Nov 1999 20:57:57 -0500 At 04:41 PM 11/9/99 EST, Jazzbaby27@aol.com wrote: > >there was a new moog compilation cd released on november second... >Best of the Moog - Electronic Pop Hits from the 60's and 70's. >My cd just arrived from amazon today.. and it's fabulous!!!!!! > >the track listing is as follows: What? No Moog Machine? No Sir Christopher Scott? No Electronic Concept Orchestra? Or Claude Denjean? John Keating? Marty Gold? Zeet Band? I'm sure this is a fine/fun compilation but personally I would rather have one made by the moog collectors on this list. Hint, hint. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darrell Brogdon" Subject: (exotica) Les Baxter site Date: 09 Nov 1999 20:42:08 -0600 > ...and another thing: which version of "Quiet Village" is that? It > sounds like the original, but overlaid with bird calls. It is NOT > Martin Denny's. Was Baxter's original reissued with ornithology? >It is credited to Dionysis copyright 1995. Anyone else have any >ideas? Sounds like it must be from "The Lost Episode", with music from the Les Baxter TV special. That version of "Quiet Village" includes birdcalls. Anybody know where to acquire the videotape of this show? Darrell Brogdon dbrogdon@ukans.edu The Retro Cocktail Hour KANU Radio Broadcasting Hall The University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045 Visit The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Listen to The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retrolisten.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 09 Nov 1999 22:05:09 -0500 >Well..., this article says that in the 10s of this century >Hawaiian music was a national (USA) craze... Yep. I've read about it in various places, but at the moment, I'm checking the details in Jim Beloff's book, "The Ukulele: A Visual History". The Merchants Association Of Hawaii (perhaps many of the same men who overthrew the native monarchy) was keen to increase tourism to the islands and saw the potential of Hawaiian music and dance to create interest. In 1901, The Hawaiian Glee Club (with backup band including ukuleles) played a tour of mainland cities, including the Pan-American Exposition (like a Worlds' Fair) in Buffalo, New York. The real spark, though, was San Francisco's Panama-Pacific International Exposition of 1915. The Hawaiian legislature approved $100,000 for construction of the Hawaii Pavilion, where shows were attended by some 17 million people through its run. And the Hawaiian fad took off, hula dancing, grass skirts, ukes, steel guitar and all. The hit song to come out of the Exposition was Henry Kailimai's "On The Beach At Waikiki". This was referred to as a hapa-haole (half white) song, because it was a mixture of authentic Hawaiian and mainland pop elements (though as someone here pointed out a while back, authentic Hawaiian music itself is a blend of styles from other places). Tin Pan Alley and the young record companies began cranking out tons of imitation Hawaiian songs. So yes, exotica does have deep roots. I think you could trace it back through the centuries (imagine a medieval European court being entertained by the novelty of Middle Eastern musicians), but I'm not the scholar for the job. Here's a site devoted to the Panama-Pacific International Exposition: http://www.sanfranciscomemories.com/ppie/panamapacific.html m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Lester Bowie RIP? Date: 09 Nov 1999 21:37:55 -0500 >Robbie Baldock wrote: >> Is anyone able to confirm or otherwise the news I just read on a >newsgroup that Lester Bowie passed away yesterday? Dr. Death confirmed. Ohhhhhhh. We should all don lab coats as a tribute to him. Very very sad Mim= i # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Fondle Subject: (exotica) Fwd: astroslut cd release @ lizard lounge--sat nov 13 Date: 09 Nov 1999 09:01:10 -0800 (PST) > astroslut cd release > saturday november 13 @ the lizard lounge > [1667 mass av-between harvard and porter, on right > when traveling to > porter] > This will be the party to celebrate the release of > our debut 13 song CD on > the Soundworks Studios label entitled "Love at Zero > G." The evening begins > with a Pre-Show Party at 8p. Fabulous food will be > provided by the > Cambridge Common. The extra super fabulous Seks > Bomba plays at 10p. > Astroslut's first set will start shortly after 11p. > We will be decked out > in our new Astrowear and the stage spiced with Astro > Dancers and cool > background visuals. The magnificent Brother Cleve > will spin tunes in > between all sets. Astroslut's second set will be > designed by our planet > wear. The new CD will be available for purchase at > a low CD Release Party > price of $10. The evening is complete all for you, > made with love, driven > by sex, and demands your attendance. > > http://www.cdalley.com/web_store/web_store.cgi > Click on "alternative" and there we are-listed > first. Listen to some astro > samples. > > "Love at Zero G" available in stores NOW! > > catch this if you can! > sat 11/13 - astroslut cd release w/seks bomba @ the > lizard lounge > sat 12/3 - francine @ the abbey lounge > tue 12/7 - the douglas fir/the gravy/brian charles > @ toad > mon 12/20 - clayton (francine) w/paula & aaron (boy > wonder)/jed (gravel > pit)/boy joys @ t.t.'s acoustic mondays > fri 12/17 - den mothers/quick fix @ t.t.'s > fri 1/7 - francine @ arlene's grocery, nyc > ===== "It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter Buy the debut release from Astroslut: LOVE AT ZERO G at: http://cdalley.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lloyd Kandell Subject: (exotica) Dennypalooza! Date: 09 Nov 1999 08:57:28 -1000 Aloha exoticats + kitties- Please check out http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/islandlife2.html for an item in today's paper re A Martin Denny Tribute we've put together to close this year's Hawaii International Film Festival... wish you were here! Also, please note my new email address is lkandell@hawaii.rr.com all the best, Fluid Floyd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nat Kone Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 09 Nov 1999 16:42:20 -0500 At 08:27 PM 11/9/99 +0100, Mo wrote: >> << Well..., this article says that in the 10s of this century >> Hawaiian music was a national (USA) craze.... >> >> >> >> Oh yeah, and I have tons of old 78s to prove it. The Hawaiian ukulele >> actually was played in many other orchestral arrangements. >This gives Exotica music an entirely new dimension. According to this, Exotica >is the original music that first was published on any recorded medium. It fits >so perfect: A totally artificial new medium comes with this artificial music. Whoa there pardner. Explain what you mean by "artificial". I probably shouldn't reply to any post about the earliest recordings without at least consulting that book with the word "Tin Foil" in the title but having heard lots of cylinders (I own some but can't play them) and other earlier recordings like "Berliners", I don't think you can make much of a case for "exotica" unless you give the term a much broader implication. The earliest record I own - which I can actually play anyway - is called something like "Steamship Leaving the Wharf in New Orleans" and it's a "spoken word" record featuring among other things, some guy yelling at his uh.... dark-hued workers to load the ship, tote that bail etc. (And yes Citizen Kafka, it's yours if I could figure out some way of sending it without breaking it...) Most of the cylinders I've heard were popular songs of the day that people would otherwise sit around the player piano singing. I don't know the history of "exotica" as we view it here but I always assumed it was coincidental with the entry of Hawaii into the U.S. I don't think the use of "Hawaiian instruments" has anything to do with the introduction of exotica. In fact, someone who knows more than me can probably tell you that what you're calling "Hawaiian" instruments were not really Hawaiian at all. Those sounds were part of the hillbilly, stringband and early "blues" traditions. I don't think they got them from Hawaii. It was much more a cross fertilization thing. Then there's the fact that so many of our "Hawaiian" LP's were made in Nashville by country musicians. The sound was something they could easily reproduce because it was already a part of their traditional vocabulary. And I believe Hawaiians adopted some of those instruments and sounds, influenced by the mainland and not vice versa. I have some Cliff Carlyle 78's as well as some stuff on CD compilation. He made and sold so many records that he's still pretty easy to find on 78. Apparently he copied any number of styles in order to sell records but basically I think of him as an early "country folk" artist and the so-called Hawaiian sounds on the records are just old stringband sounds. It would be helpful if I read something rather than relying on the impressions I get from my own limited record collection but I think there was some truth in there. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: (exotica) scopitone Date: 09 Nov 1999 23:19:57 -0500 Does anybody have videotapes of Scopitones (or other weird music/film) that they'd be willing to trade? E-mail me off list. LT Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm Funhouse http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/funhouse.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bag@hubris.net Subject: Re: (exotica) Fwd: astroslut cd release @ lizard lounge--sat Date: 09 Nov 1999 22:07:04 +0000 At 09:01 AM 09-11-99 -0800, Ms. Fondle wrote: >> This will be the party to celebrate the release of >> our debut 13 song CD on >> the Soundworks Studios label entitled "Love at Zero >> G." If the party is anything like the CD it is bound to be oodles of fun! I really liked it! This is what Debbie Harry's Koo Koo album should have sounded like. My favorite was Sophisticated Mr. Sleaze. I loved Fondue Rendezvous except for its length: I wish it was longer to allow Ms. Fondle to "finish!" Byron Byron Caloz Portland, Oregon, USA, Earth, Sol, Milky Way http://www.hubris.net/zolac The Mr. Smooth site: http://www.hubris.net/zolac/smooth # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bag@hubris.net Subject: Re: (exotica) Xavier Cugat Date: 09 Nov 1999 22:47:15 +0000 At 12:39 AM 10-11-99 +0100, Kirstjan wrote: Not substantial but (pulled from my albums): following from Mercury PPS 2003: Viva Cugat! and Columbia CL 579: Cugat's Favorite Rumbas Cugat's life began in Barcelona, Spain but when still very young his family moved to Cuba. By the time he was six he had started playing the violin. At the age of 12 he was the first violinist at the opera in Havana. In 1915 he left Cuba for the United States and was immediately engaged by the great Italian opera star Enrico Caruso. Caruso liked his playing so much he took him on a lengthy tour. Cugat then struck out on his own as a concert violinist. He vowed that if, by a certain date, he were not the world's greatest violinist, he would quit. Despite a series of superb notices, Cugat himself did not believe he was the world's best. He quit. Cugat was also an artist...notably a caricaturist. Cugat decided it was his cartooning skills that would bring him greatness. So he signed on with the Los Angeles Times. But into the 1930's Cugat formed a small six piece band specializing in rumba rhythms: Cugat and his Gigolos. It usually played in hotels as the "relief band" for some of the bigger acts of the day, eventually becoming a fixture at the Waldorf-Astoria in New York. By 1934 NBC's radio program, "Let's Dance" broadcast some of the biggest bands...but also featured Cugat's show on the coast-to-coast show. Cugat soon became known as "The Rumba King." Cugat's band opened the way for Cuba's most outstanding instrumentalists to come to the United States and then make a name for themselves. Desi Arnez, Luis del Campo and Miguelito Valdes started with Cugat before forming their own headlining Latin bands. While Latin bands came and went, Cugat always was in the public eye with his concert and dance bands and as a recording artist, having recorded hundreds of singles and albums for Columbia, Mercury and other big labels. Byron Byron Caloz Portland, Oregon, USA, Earth, Sol, Milky Way http://www.hubris.net/zolac The Mr. Smooth site: http://www.hubris.net/zolac/smooth # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) a new moog cd Date: 10 Nov 1999 06:50:47 EST In a message dated 11/9/99 1:42:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, Jazzbaby27@aol.com writes: << there was a new moog compilation cd released on november second... Best of the Moog - Electronic Pop Hits from the 60's and 70's. My cd just arrived from amazon today.. and it's fabulous!!!!!! >> i get such a kick out of seeing this information at the Amazon site: Audio CD (November 2, 1999) Original Release Date: 1999 Number of Discs: 1 Loud; ASIN: B00001R3NJ Amazon.com Sales Rank: 32,783 Shoot, it slipped from position 32,782 yesterday! TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! Date: 10 Nov 1999 06:54:35 EST In a message dated 11/9/99 1:54:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, hagar@mindspring.com writes: << ...and another thing: which version of "Quiet Village" is that? It sounds like the original, but overlaid with bird calls. It is NOT Martin Denny's. Was Baxter's original reissued with ornithology? >> That IS interesting! I don't think the original version was ever released with bird calls (PLEASE correct me if I am wrong -- like I had to ask that). Baxter actually lambasted Denny for "cheesing up" (Baxter's words) his version with all the "noise". Do you think the web designers thought it would have better appeal this way? And just what WOULD old Les think about that? TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! Date: 10 Nov 1999 07:04:31 EST In a message dated 11/9/99 1:54:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, hagar@mindspring.com writes: << and another thing: which version of "Quiet Village" is that? It sounds like the original, but overlaid with bird calls. It is NOT Martin Denny's. Was Baxter's original reissued with ornithology? >> this is kinda funny. i can "download" the song to my MS Media Player (which I have never used before and did not know existed). the song appears to be playing but I cannot get any volume! has anyone else had this happen? and the stats in the MS Player says that the cut is from: 1995 Dionysus Records TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Pros and Cons of WinAmp Date: 10 Nov 1999 07:14:35 EST Is it highly recommended to install the full version of WinAmp over the Basic version? How does this compare to the Windows Media Player? Any comments are appreciated? TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Dennypalooza! Date: 10 Nov 1999 07:24:30 EST In a message dated 11/9/99 7:31:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, kandell@hawaii.rr.com writes: << Aloha exoticats + kitties- Please check out http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/islandlife2.html for an item in today's paper re A Martin Denny Tribute we've put together to close this year's Hawaii International Film Festival... wish you were here! Also, please note my new email address is lkandell@hawaii.rr.com all the best, Fluid Floyd >> if you have problems with that URL try www.honoluluadvertiser.com and then click on Island Life. this little event on Saturday has old tiki bob very sad that these things happen regardless of his absence. tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 10 Nov 1999 07:28:24 EST In a message dated 11/9/99 7:37:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, bruno@yhammer.com writes: << I don't think the use of "Hawaiian instruments" has anything to do with the introduction of exotica. >> and <> as for my input on this subject, I meant that Hawaiian music was popular in the early 1900's. but to clarify, I do not really consider this "Exotica" in my definition of the word. It was "exotic" music but not "exotica" music. and the debate swells. Tiki Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Giovanni Berti" Subject: (exotica) publishing rights in record industry (help needed) Date: 10 Nov 1999 13:36:38 +0000 Hi friends, I'm currently assembling some compilations for an italian label. We would like to insert some 50's/60's exotic tracks from non-italian artists, mainly american and english, and we want to make it legal. Problem is that I have no idea where to find who owns the oublishing rights of the songs, who we have to contact and pay. I remember that some months ago someone on the list wrote about some web addresses who told all the informations needed to proceed, but unfortunately I can't remember nothing more than that. Can someone help? Grazie & ciao Gionni Paludi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brad Bigelow Subject: (exotica) New on the Space Age Pop Music Site Date: 10 Nov 1999 06:59:59 New additions to the Space AGe Pop Music site: --Biographies of: Rene Bloch Bill Holman Pete Jolly Fred Katz See http://home.earthlink.net/~spaceagepop/whatsnew.htm Other comments: Ranwood was the label Dot Records president Randy Wood formed after he sold Dot in 1965. Most of the Lawrence Welk stable (Welk, Buddy Merrill, Jo Ann Castle, Norma Zimmer, Myron Floren, Jerry Burke, etc.) moved over to Ranwood, as did Dot's other big name, Billy Vaughn. Trivia: I just received my fifth or sixth email from Brazil looking for a copy of Don Costa's "Echoing Voices and Trombones." Why is/was this album so popular in Brazil? Brad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 10 Nov 1999 14:32:48 +0100 >Well..., this article says that in the 10s of this century >Hawaiian music was a national (USA) craze... It's just a theory: I imagine, that, when the first phonograph recordings were introduced to the public, people - despite being amazed by the technological novelty - would not consider it as being appropriate for reproduction of classical European music, because the sound quality was just too poor. I even guess, that most musical professionals were rather disgusted by the new medium and wouldn't consider it more than a toy or a gag. Could it be that using the phonograph records for a type of music that was unknown for the people at that time, would perhaps help to moderate its negative appeal and indeed help to spread the medium together with the music? If you'd put some wild hula-dance on a record, it would just be silly fun, because people wouldn't know how it sounded live anyway, the strangeness of the new medium and the strangeness of the music would somehow merge to a unique new experience, when in contradiction to that listening to a Beethoven-concert on a phonograph sounded so much worse than what people were used to - because classical live-music was all they knew - that they wouldn't buy it first. I'm not sure if you could say that the Hawaiian guitar came from hillbilly, stringbands etc. I assume it wouldn't be called "Hawaiian" then. I rather understand it the way this article I quoted did, that the Hawaiian guitar was used by these other musical styles. But we're not only talking about the influence of the sound of a single music instrument. We're talking about a craze of Hawaiian music between 1900 and 1915, what ever this music really is and where it comes from. This is what I mean by artificial: Even if it wasn't "real"(native) Hawaiian music, but something westerners considered Hawaiian, it still matches the definition of Exotica. You could even say, *because* it wasn't real native music it *was* Exotica. I take it as a fact that we all agree in a definition of Exotica music, that includes it's artificiality. It's not original native music, but music played by and for Western people representing their imagination of the wild and the paradise lost. My entire point here is, that this artificiality is also mirrored in the artificiality of the technological reproduction of music; that these two came up at the same time and merged in form of the first Exotica records. And this is what makes me draw the connection to the futurists: they approved anything technical in combination with art. They must have loved recordings better than live music. And they possibly (or likely) listened to Hawaiian music. Just some unorganized thoughts... Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 10 Nov 1999 14:41:31 +0100 Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote: > It was "exotic" music but not "exotica" music. > are the roots part of the tree or in fact the tree? I'd say yes. However, it's not essential for this debate. It was "Hawaiian music", OK? For the Americans at the turn of the century it was pretty exotic. The differences between that music and what you probably call Exotica, the sound of the 50s, is as big as the difference of early swing jazz and cool jazz of the 50s. It's still jazz.... Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: (exotica) Syd Dale Date: 10 Nov 1999 13:43:08 -0000 Can anyone tell me about Syd Dale? I'd always had them down as one of the swathe of Orchestras doing fairly run of the mill stuff English big band stuff and not particularly worth searching out. The only things I've seen knocking about down here have been Syd Dale does Glenn Miller and such like. His tracks on the Russ Meyer Comp were better than most of the other tracks, but then, cover aside I think that its a piss poor comp. But a friend gave me a compilation with 3 tracks, 'Portobello Market', 'Boogaloo' and 'Lucky Seven' and they are really good. Particularly Portobello, punchy brass, great rhythm section, bongo's and a crunchy fuzz guitar lick. So, whats the good stuff? Any comments? Thanks El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.shitola.freeserve.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) [obits] Lester Bowie,Max Hunter Date: 10 Nov 1999 09:52:13 -0500 The Associated Press Wednesday, Nov. 10, 1999; 5:53 a.m. EST NEW YORK (AP) -- Jazz trumpeter Lester Bowie, a founding member of the long-running Art Ensemble of Chicago, has died from complications from liver cancer. He was 58. Bowie died Monday night at his Brooklyn home, said Kevin Beauchamp, a representative of the Art Ensemble, the jazz group Bowie helped found in 1969. The group has played the United States and Europe for 30 years. Bowie, who also played the fluegelhorn, was known as a flamboyant performer with a sense of humor and an appreciation for the theatrical side of performing. ``Lester Bowie was a great trumpeter who kind of pushed the boundaries,'' said Walter Wade, an on-air personality at WBGO-FM, a jazz station in Newark, N.J. '' His approach to playing, it was very visceral,'' Wade said. That style was matched by the musicians he played with in the ensemble. ``They were pioneers who took music seriously but didn't leave the theater out,'' Wade said. Bowie was known for using all kinds of music in his performances, including the works of Michael Jackson and James Brown. Born in Maryland, Bowie was brought up in Arkansas and Missouri. He started playing the trumpet at age five and by 16, he was leading his own group. As a teenager in St. Louis, he practiced his trumpet by an open window, hoping that Louis Armstrong would hear him and discover him. Bowie helped form Black Artist Group, and the Great Black Orchestra in St. Louis. Later in Chicago, he and saxophonist Roscoe Mitchell formed the Art Ensemble of Chicago. He recorded with Archie Shepp, Sunny Murray, Jimmy Lyons, and Cecil Taylor. He had been on tour with the group Brass Fantasy in London and went to hospital there when he felt ill, Beauchamp said. He came off the tour and headed back to New York. He went back into the hospital in New York and was sent home, where he died. Bowie is survived by his wife Deborah Bowie; six children, and two grandchildren. Max Hunter SPRINGFIELD, Mo. (AP) – Max Hunter, a folklore enthusiast who amassed one of the country's largest collections of hillbilly songs, stories and expressions died Saturday after a long battle with emphysema. He was 78. His colorful expressions included phrases like "ugly as a mud fence" and "pretty as a speckled pup." Hunter became known as one of the nation's premier collectors of traditional Ozarks songs and stories, most of which are on file at the Library of Congress and the Smithsonian Institution. Some of the songs he collected came directly from the Ozarks. Others could be traced hundreds of years. Some, Hunter later discovered, had even been chronicled at Harvard University in the 19th century, in a collection of traditional ballads then thought to be extinct. Other tidbits Hunter collected included ways to cure warts (start by stealing your neighbor's dish rag), or suggestions for warding off bad luck after a black cat crosses your path (put your hat on backwards and the cat won't know if you're coming or going). Under lock and key at Springfield's Greene County Library, Hunter's collection fills shelves several feet high, with copies also kept at the University of Missouri at Columbia. There are 14 hours of jokes on tape, more than 1,000 native expressions like "got to get my ears lowered (haircut)" and more than 2,000 folk songs. For Hunter's work, the state's Arts Council in 1998 presented him a Missouri Arts Award, its highest honor. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) FarmClub Date: 10 Nov 1999 09:59:11 -0500 http://www.variety.com/article.asp?articleID=1117757885 Those following the thread on how the Majors are dealing with emerging technology might want to read this article. -Lou lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Lester Bowie RIP? Date: 10 Nov 1999 11:25:55 -0500 >Dr. Death confirmed. > >Ohhhhhhh. We should all don lab coats as a tribute to him. Very very sad Mimi That's a shame. And kind of spooky... I was just thinking about him the other night, wondering if he was still wearing the lab coat onstage. salutes to the man, m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: (exotica) 5 CD Outer Space/Sci-Fi Box Set Date: 10 Nov 1999 09:04:55 -0800 (PST) This sounds fantastic!! Jack Damond asked me to post it. It looks like he has some good influece on those Rhinocats. Easy litening in the Big Easy Chuck --- Jack Diamond wrote: > Chuck, > > Maybe you can be the 1 to tell the EML group > > Slated for May 2000, Rhino Records is releasing > a 5 CD Box Set of THE BEST OUTER SPACE/SCI-FI > Music that has NEVER been reissued ANYWHERE > > It's going to be "SO OVER THE TOP", according to Rhino > and they are going to be including "Welcome To Tomorrow" > from the Attilio Mineo "Man in Space With Sounds"reissue > > I also turned them onto Marty Manning's "Twilight Zone" > which COMPLETELY rocked their world, as well as > the Tom Dissevelt/Kid Baltan masterpiece, > "Song of the 2nd Moon" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Lester Bowie RIP? Date: 10 Nov 1999 11:51:58 -0500 At 11:25 AM 11/10/99, m.ace wrote: >That's a shame. And kind of spooky... I was just thinking about him the >other night, wondering if he was still wearing the lab coat onstage. Saw him on tv in the last year or two and there he was, lab coat gloriously bleached and starched. Mimi Listening to Lester Bowie's the Great Great Pretender, with Hamiet Bluiett, Donald Smith, Fred Williams, Philip Wilson, Fontella Bass, and David Peaston. ECM 1-1209. Coming up: Lester's version of It's Howdy Doody Time! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) URL: NYTimes on Tech/Music Date: 10 Nov 1999 13:04:26 -0500 http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/reference/index-music.html This is the address if you want to keep up with the NYTimes' coverage of how tech affects music. Lou lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 10 Nov 1999 19:30:12 +0100 Mo wrote: > Looks like Exotic music has been going on for much longer than I > thought. Don't forget someone like Claude Debussy, who was influenced by Indonesian Gamelan music (among other things) at the end of last century. Marco -- Marco "Kallie" Kalnenek +------------------------------------------+ Record Collector's Heaven http://weirdomusic.freeservers.com/ +------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? or earlier?? Date: 10 Nov 1999 13:41:37 -0500 "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" wrote: > Mo wrote: > Looks like Exotic music has been going on for much longer than I > thought. Don't forget someone like Claude Debussy, who was influenced by Indonesian Gamelan music (among other things) at the end of last century. Marco Keep an eye out for the book "The Exotic In Western Music": Exoticism has flourished in western music since the seventeenth century. A blend of familiar and unfamiliar gestures, this vibrant musical language takes the listener beyond the ordinary by evoking foreign cultures and forbidden desires. In this pioneering collection, distinguished musicologists explore the ways in which western composers have used exotic elements for dramatic and striking effect. Interweaving historical, musical, and cultural perspectives, the contributors examine the compositional use of exotic styles and traditions in the works of artists as diverse as Mozart and George Harrison. The volume sheds new light on a significant yet largely neglected art form, and it makes a valuable contribution to music history and cultural studies. It should still be available via on-line book stores. Lou lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 10 Nov 1999 13:44:37 EST In a message dated 11/10/99 8:33:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, exotica@munich.netsurf.de writes: << It's just a theory: I imagine, that, when the first phonograph recordings were introduced to the public, people - despite being amazed by the technological novelty - would not consider it as being appropriate for reproduction of classical European music, because the sound quality was just too poor. >> I hate to disagree again, but no. Classical music was often the first to be recorded. The famous tenor Caruso carried the Victor label for years. And the sound quality of a Victrola is very good. And a lot louder than you would think. Of course the problem with the classical works is that you would have to have 10 record sets to listen to one symphony --- and those records came in "albums" hence the term. It is timely that this 78 discussion came up as I learned an hour ago that I was the high bidder on one of my favorite 78's of all time. Johnny Hamp's Kentucky Serenaders' version of "Keep your sunny side up". TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 10 Nov 1999 13:52:11 EST In a message dated 11/10/99 8:33:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, exotica@munich.netsurf.de writes: << in contradiction to that listening to a Beethoven-concert on a phonograph sounded so much worse than what people were used to - because classical live-music was all they knew - that they wouldn't buy it first. >> Lots of the people who could afford Victrolas could not routinely afford tickets to the local symphony. And even if they could they would still appreciate the Victrola sound. Sort of like us. We are used to digital music but still like a vinyl booted CD of Zounds or whatever -- even if the sound quality is less. Additionally, people who did not attend symphonic concerts still knew they were "supposed to " appreciate classical, romantic and baroque music. Now they could appreciate it in their homes -- AND, play it over and over again. TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 10 Nov 1999 13:56:21 EST In a message dated 11/10/99 8:41:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, exotica@munich.netsurf.de writes: << Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote: > It was "exotic" music but not "exotica" music. > are the roots part of the tree or in fact the tree? I'd say yes. However, it's not essential for this debate. It was "Hawaiian music", OK? For the Americans at the turn of the century it was pretty exotic. The differences between that music and what you probably call Exotica, the sound of the 50s, is as big as the difference of early swing jazz and cool jazz of the 50s. It's still jazz.... >> yeah, i agree here. and again, that was my defination of exotica, not anyone else's. and believe me, there is some crazy sounding recordings on 78's from the teens and 20's. stuff that would be considered in the exotica genra today for sure. there are some great crying, laughing and yelling records where the people did just that. there was a crying record at WAMS real audio site at one time: http://www.teleport.com/~rfrederi/rafiles/ but i am not sure if it is still there. they usually have some crazy record like this there so it might be worth a look. tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 10 Nov 1999 13:57:25 EST In a message dated 11/10/99 1:30:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kalnenekweirdomusic@wxs.nl writes: << Don't forget someone like Claude Debussy, who was influenced by Indonesian Gamelan music (among other things) at the end of last century. >> And Stranvinsky (sp??) music caused riots in the streets of Paris. TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Les Baxter site Date: 10 Nov 1999 13:59:33 EST In a message dated 11/09/99 9:44:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, dbrogdon@falcon.cc.ukans.edu writes: << Sounds like it must be from "The Lost Episode", with music from the Les Baxter TV special. That version of "Quiet Village" includes birdcalls. Anybody know where to acquire the videotape of this show? >> was this the one released on CD in 1995 as i previously posted? tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 10 Nov 1999 14:04:15 EST In a message dated 11/09/99 6:46:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, ecam@voicenet.com writes: << The best defense against bootlegging or piracy is to make a product easily available at a price perceived as cheap. I think given such an opportunity, most people would prefer to buy legit (and if you knew what a misanthrope I can be, you would laughing as loud as I am at the sight of me saying that). >> and the way that when CD's came out they were so much more expensive than vinyl when all sources indicated they were far cheaper to produce. yeah, i know the feeling. tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 10 Nov 1999 14:04:59 EST In a message dated 11/09/99 6:46:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, ecam@voicenet.com writes: << 5) When the Y2K bogieman takes everything down, it's going to be nothing but live acoustic music anyway (and Gramophones & Victrolas), so why worry. (yeah, I'm joking) >> that is why i have been on a 78 buying spree lately. (yeah, i am NOT joking) tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arjan Plug" Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 10 Nov 1999 21:00:23 +0100 > << Well..., this article says that in the 10s of this century > Hawaiian music was a national (USA) craze.... > >> > > Oh yeah, and I have tons of old 78s to prove it. The Hawaiian ukulele > actually was played in many other orchestral arrangements. There was a Dutch CD compilation called "Haring & Hawaii" (herring & hawaii) published in 1992 chronicling the history of hawaiian music in the Netherlands. The earliest recording on it is a 1941 tune by the Kilima Hawaiians although the accompanying book that was published simultaneously starts as early as 1925. Mostly traditionals as I can gather from the credits, very few originals. Haven't a clue if it sounds like the real thing though! Arjan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arjan Plug" Subject: (exotica) Across 110th Street Date: 10 Nov 1999 21:29:40 +0100 Anyone knows if there ever was a soundtrack release of "Across 110th Street"? I only know Bobby Womack's title track of the movie (which can be found on the Jackie Brown OST) and wondered if the rest might be in the same superior class. Arjan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arjan Plug" Subject: (exotica) Sterling Breaks 2 Date: 10 Nov 1999 21:24:57 +0100 Picked up a (recent I guess) breakbeat compilation over the weekend, called "Sterling Breaks 2" and it's on Surround Sound. No labelinfo whatsoever so it's probably a boot tracklist: The Incredible Bongo Band - Sing, Sing, Sing Charles Kynard - Superstition Wah Wah Watson - Bubbles Johnny Moon & the Shiners - Executive Relief Les McCann - Sometimes I Cry Ramsey Lewis - Julia Robin Kenyatta - Gippo Man Paul Humphery - Uncle Willes Dream Peter Brown - For Your Love Malcolm Meerabux - Cat/Sheep All early seventies I guess and a mixed bag of styles : funk, cocktail jazz ("Julia" is wonderful) and other jazz variations. The Incredible Bongo Bond is a version of the surf classic "Pipeline" but the Meerabux one is one of the most moody and haunting instrumentals (it has a kind of arabian keyboard line) I heard in a long time. Arjan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLarry3595@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Across 110th Street Date: 10 Nov 1999 15:29:34 EST >>Anyone knows if there ever was a soundtrack release of "Across 110th Street"? I only know Bobby Womack's title track of the movie (which can be found on the Jackie Brown OST) and wondered if the rest might be in the same superior class.<< Great soundtrack, and yes it was released as an LP. It was also reissued on cd. Don't know if the cd is out of print or not. If it is out of print I can get one for you from a local used cd place, they have two copies. Larry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William Walton" Subject: Re: (exotica) Across 110th Street Date: 10 Nov 1999 15:50:29 EST Rykodisc reissued this about a year or two ago as part of their MGM Soundtracks series (which also includes The Knack And How To Get It; highly recommended). I believe it's still in print. Hope this helps. William ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William Walton" Subject: (exotica) Wait Until Dark Date: 10 Nov 1999 15:57:55 EST Speaking of soundtracks, has "Wait Until Dark" EVER been released on any listening format? I've never been able to find a copy. This is my favorite Mancini film score, hands down. Spooky, beautiful and colourful. The vocal track when the closing credits are rolling is simply gorgeous. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: M H Jemmeson Subject: Re: (exotica) Across 110th Street Date: 10 Nov 1999 21:04:40 +0000 William Walton wrote: > > Rykodisc reissued this about a year or two ago as part of their MGM > Soundtracks series (which also includes The Knack And How To Get It; highly > recommended). I believe it's still in print. Hope this helps. I believe it's also a proper MGM release, as a two-fer with another film, but I forget the other title. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Wait Until Dark Date: 10 Nov 1999 16:32:36 EST In a message dated 11/10/99 3:58:29 PM, stroboscopica@hotmail.com wrote: >Speaking of soundtracks, has "Wait Until Dark" EVER been released on any >listening format? I've never been able to find a copy. I don't believe a soundtrack exists. However a 45 7" exists of the Henry Mancini Orchestra playing the title tune # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: (exotica) 5 CD Outer Space/Sci-Fi Box Set Date: 10 Nov 1999 17:11:22 -0500 I'm having a mental disconnect when I read the last sentence of each of these 2 paragraphs. --- Jack Diamond wrote: > Slated for May 2000, Rhino Records is releasing > a 5 CD Box Set of THE BEST OUTER SPACE/SCI-FI > Music that has NEVER been reissued ANYWHERE. > > It's going to be "SO OVER THE TOP", according to Rhino > and they are going to be including "Welcome To Tomorrow" > from the Attilio Mineo "Man in Space With Sounds" reissue. BTW, I've heard that Ellipsis Arts is going to release a 3 CD set of classic electronic music. Anyone know any details? -Lou lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: M H Jemmeson Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 10 Nov 1999 22:16:00 +0000 Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote: > > << Don't forget someone like Claude Debussy, who was influenced by Indonesian > Gamelan music (among other things) at the end of last century. > >> > > And Stranvinsky (sp??) music caused riots in the streets of Paris. The mention of all these Classical composers reminds me: I was listening for the first time to Felix Mendelsohn and his Hawaiian Serenaders earlier today, and he was the grandson or great grandson of the other Felix Mendelsohn (as in Fingal's Cave etc)... A bit sunnier in Hawaii than the Hebrides perhaps... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Br. Cleve" Subject: Re: (exotica) Wait Until Dark Date: 10 Nov 1999 17:47:42 -0500 At 3:57 PM -0500 11/10/99, William Walton wrote: >Speaking of soundtracks, has "Wait Until Dark" EVER been released on any >listening format? just one track from it, on a 45 (also on the Mancini box set). Not the amazing theme song, unfortunately. br cleve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Keith E. Lo Bue" Subject: (exotica) MOOG CD's!! Date: 11 Nov 1999 13:05:32 +1100 >>What? No Moog Machine? No Sir Christopher Scott? No >>Electronic Concept >>Orchestra? Or Claude Denjean? John Keating? Marty >>Gold? Zeet Band? >>I'm sure this is a fine/fun compilation but personally >>I would rather have >>one made by the moog collectors on this list. Hint, >>hint. >>Nat You rang?? I've got three knockout moog comps that I've put together from my massive moogy collection: MOOG SOOP MOOG SOOP 2 (Moog Power) MOOG SOOP 3 (This Is Stereorama) They're each over 70 minutes, and packed with most of the stuff on that published comp, but with tons of REALLY rare goodies and Electro-chestnuts. Sure, Hot Butter made Popcorn famous, but there are two EARLIER versions by the tune's composer that blow it away! If anyone on the list would like a copy of any or all of them, here's how you can do it. 1) Email me to get my address. NOTE: You'll have to send them to me down here in Australia, since I've moved from the states... 2) Send me the appropriate number of blank CD-R's. 3) Please send me one or two extra blank CD-R's for each one you want, as the packaging I've made uses expensive paper and lots of color ink. This amounts to 'payment' for me, but no money need change hands. 4) Please send adequate $ for return shipping back to you. I guarantee these CD's will blow over the comp mentioned in previous postings. BTW, I haven't done ANY 'audio-clean-up' to the vinyl...in fact, the comps begin with the sound of the stylus hitting the record, and each disc ends with the needle coming up! Gives you that veriteeee experience. ALSO, I'm still waiting for all my stuff to arrive by boat from the US, so I'll be out of dubbing commission for at least 4-6 more weeks. Slow, but worth the wait. Seeya! Keith ******************************* http://www.lobue-art.com The Artwork and Workshops of Keith E. Lo Bue ******************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kristjan Saag" Subject: (exotica) Re: That Early? Date: 11 Nov 1999 03:21:33 +0100 Mo cited and wrote (Nov 10): >Well..., this article says that in the 10s of this century >Hawaiian music was a national (USA) craze... ----- >Could it be that using the phonograph records for a type of music that = was >unknown for the people at that time, would perhaps help to moderate = its >negative appeal and indeed help to spread the medium together with = the >music? If you'd put some wild hula-dance on a record, it would just = be silly >fun, because people wouldn't know how it sounded live = anyway/snip --- My theory is: Hawaiian music was fool-proof to play on the early = phonographs - you never had to worry about the record swaying... Kristjan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kristjan Saag" Subject: (exotica) Re: That early? Date: 11 Nov 1999 03:37:55 +0100 TB wrote (Nov 10): >Additionally, people who did not attend symphonic concerts still knew = they=20 >were "supposed to " appreciate classical, romantic and baroque music. = >Now they could appreciate it in their homes -- AND, play it over and = over >again. -- Baroque music on record, at that time, was extremely unusual. (In the = 1913 US record catalogue: two titles by Bach...) The = Bach-Haendel-Vivaldi etc vogue came much later. And symphonies were hard to record with acoustic equipement - it wasn't = until electric recording began (around 1925) that symphonies were = released on a larger scale. Kristjan =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sandberg Magnus" Subject: SV: (exotica) 5 CD Outer Space/Sci-Fi Box Set Date: 11 Nov 1999 04:06:41 +0100 Welcome to tomorrow! :) M Lou wrote: >I'm having a mental disconnect when I read the last sentence of each of = these 2 paragraphs. >NEVER been reissued ANYWHERE. > and they are going to be including "Welcome To Tomorrow" > from the Attilio Mineo "Man in Space With Sounds" reissue. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Moshay Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 10 Nov 1999 21:17:46 -0800 > and the way that when CD's came out they were so much more expensive than > vinyl when all sources indicated they were far cheaper to produce. While I cannot speak authoritatively on manufacturing costs in the early/mid eighties, I do know 1988 a CD and LP cost about the same to manufacture (inclusive of collateral packaging standard then). Yes, longboxes remember them? The figure was right around $ 1.65 The thing was, and still is, that the cost of physical manufacture of the delivery media is relatively inconsequential when considering selling music is much like selling soda pop. The far more significant costs are in marketing to distinguish your 'brand' from the gazillion others in the marketplace. Additionally, nearly all albums are commercial failures (I am talking majors here, since they are the focus of the CD price gouging complaint). Real indies usually maintain a different biz model. Where do you think the advances, recording budgets, and tour support from that favorite act of yours that happens to be on a major/major affiliated label? I can think of probably 20 acts over the last ten years that happened to be on majors that I liked, which were beneficiaries of moderately well funded marketing campaigns yet their albums didn't sell in even in the "double digits". Budgets directed towards developing new acts have to come from somewhere. That somewhere is the profit margin on whatever number of chart hits the label can produce quarterly. Do I think front line CD prices of $17.98 are excessive...absolutely. At the same time when I hear intelligent people talking about the business of selling records, as if its a commodity like Soy Beans, I find myself entirely bewildered. Microsoft charges freakin' something like $400 for MS Office. At their production levels, that CD probably cost about 23 cents to press :) Paul Moshay . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (exotica) Across 110th Street Date: 11 Nov 1999 09:38:33 +0000 I own a copy of this LP and I have to say that I would not recommend it. For a blaxploitation film (a very violent and gruesome one at that), this is a mushy and overly soft soundtrack. Too much soul and not enough funk, lacking the wah wah, breaks, clavinet and bass of a proper blaxploitation soundtrack. Talking of blaxploitation, the Gordon's War bootleg is still around with Hot Wheels (The Chase) on it - Now there is a tune worth owning! Charlie charles_moseley@mckinsey.com +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | This message may contain confidential and/or privileged | | information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to | | receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, | | disclose or take any action based on this message or any | | information herein. If you have received this message in | | error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail | | and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: That early? Date: 11 Nov 1999 10:57:51 +0100 Thanks! It's great to get some real information about this. I see my theory confirmed by this. Kristjan Saag wrote: > Baroque music on record, at that time, was extremely unusual. (In the 1913 US record catalogue: two titles by Bach...) The Bach-Haendel-Vivaldi etc vogue came much later. > And symphonies were hard to record with acoustic equipement - it wasn't until electric recording began (around 1925) that symphonies were released on a larger scale. > My theory is: Hawaiian music was fool-proof to play on the early phonographs - you never had to worry about the record swaying... Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) MOOG CD's!! Date: 11 Nov 1999 10:59:01 +0100 Dear Keith > >If anyone on the list would like a copy of any or all of them, here's how > you can do it. > > 1) Email me to get my address. > NOTE: You'll have to send them to me down here in Australia, since I've > moved from the states... > 2) Send me the appropriate number of blank CD-R's. > 3) Please send me one or two extra blank CD-R's for each one you want, as > the packaging I've made uses expensive paper and lots of color ink. This > amounts to 'payment' for me, but no money need change hands. > 4) Please send adequate $ for return shipping back to you. Thanks for the offer; I'd sure like copies of those; but does it make sense to send you both CDs and money? It will only increase the total costs, as CDs are kind of heavy and will need quite much postage. Instead I'd propose to send you just money, enough to pay all your expenses. I would do that by airmail and it would arrive within 2 weeks. > BTW, I haven't done ANY 'audio-clean-up' to the vinyl...in fact, the comps > begin with the sound of the stylus hitting the record, and each disc ends > with the needle coming up! Gives you that veriteeee experience. Sounds woofy! Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 11 Nov 1999 11:00:56 +0100 M H Jemmeson wrote: > I was listening > for the first time to Felix Mendelsohn and his Hawaiian Serenaders > earlier today, and he was the grandson or great grandson of the other > Felix Mendelsohn (as in Fingal's Cave etc)... > A bit sunnier in Hawaii than the Hebrides perhaps... Where did you get that? Is it on CD? Never heard about it. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 11 Nov 1999 11:02:15 +0100 Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/10/99 1:30:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Kalnenekweirdomusic@wxs.nl writes: > > << Don't forget someone like Claude Debussy, who was influenced by Indonesian > Gamelan music (among other things) at the end of last century.>> > Yes and no. There are definitely influences, but the music is basically still "classic". No jazz, no beat, no drums, no screaming voices... Or do you know something I don't know? Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 11 Nov 1999 11:02:38 +0100 Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote: > and believe me, there is some crazy sounding recordings on 78's from the > teens and 20's. stuff that would be considered in the exotica genra today > for sure. > > there are some great crying, laughing and yelling records where the people > did just that. I just ran upon a really great song by the Comedian Harmonists (a German group that was pretty popular even overseas), called "Blume von Hawaii". It's from the 20s and starts with a wild rum intro that could make Perez Prado turn green. The history of Exotica is indeed a constant evolution. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 11 Nov 1999 07:16:17 EST In a message dated 11/10/99 2:18:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, michael@jemmeson.freeserve.co.uk writes: << I was listening for the first time to Felix Mendelsohn and his Hawaiian Serenaders earlier today, and he was the grandson or great grandson of the other Felix Mendelsohn (as in Fingal's Cave etc)... A bit sunnier in Hawaii than the Hebrides perhaps... >> I have lots of 78's by Mendelsohn and the Hawaiian Serenaders. I hate to say it but most of them sound the same. And while I obviously love Exotica music, I do not particularly like Hawaiian music (OK, maybe one or two tunes occasionally). I had Denny's "Hawaiian Tattoo" playing in my office yesterday and one of my staff came in and said "Oh, you are listening to Hawaiian music to get ready for your trip." (I am going to Hawaii in Jan). Now this same staff member hears me listening to other Denny music all the time but never associates those tunes with Hawaii. And of all the different types of songs, tunes, etc. that Denny did, "Hawaiian Tattoo" is the only one that really sounds Hawaiian. On a slightly different note, I have a version of Bing Crosby's "Sweet Leilani" on some CD comp and it I can't stand it at all. Funny how taste can vary so peculiarly, TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: That early? Date: 11 Nov 1999 07:24:32 EST In a message dated 11/10/99 6:39:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, kristjansaag@swipnet.se writes: << Baroque music on record, at that time, was extremely unusual. >> I was breaking the term Classical Music down into Classical, Romantic and Baroque because I do not like when people lump all three categories into "Classical Music". And there was a comment that it was hard to record symphonic performances. I disagree. A single microphone pick up could be placed at a strategic acoustical point in the concert hall and very easily record the mono version. (BTW, they would often have a few mikes and then take the one they like the best) tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Hipwell Subject: Re: (exotica) Syd Dale Date: 11 Nov 1999 12:25:26 GMT > From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk > > > Can anyone tell me about Syd Dale? I'd always had them down as one of the > swathe of Orchestras doing fairly run of the mill stuff English big band > stuff and not particularly worth searching out. The only things I've seen > knocking about down here have been Syd Dale does Glenn Miller and such like. Syd Dale does Glenn Miller? Are you sure you're not getting him confused with the tiresome Syd Lawrence? > His tracks on the Russ Meyer Comp were better than most of the other tracks, > but then, cover aside I think that its a piss poor comp. > > But a friend gave me a compilation with 3 tracks, 'Portobello Market', > 'Boogaloo' and 'Lucky Seven' and they are really good. Particularly > Portobello, punchy brass, great rhythm section, bongo's and a crunchy fuzz > guitar lick. > > So, whats the good stuff? Any comments? > Yeah, I first cottoned onto his name via the Sound Gallery (he's got a track on there somewhere, or my mind's going). I don't think I've actually ever seen an album with "Syd Dale" in big letters on the cover, he always only appears in the small print. Having said that, I've only got a couple of commercially released albums by him. "Swinging Christmas" or somesuch by "The Dali Caldis Ensemble" (totally appalling), and "The Chaplin Collection" on Windmill Records. The Chaplin record is music from Chaplin's films, BUT given a fantastic cheese-funky 70s spin, hammond organ, wah-wah guitar, the works, something not made entirely clear by the sparse liner notes. You may well have skipped over this one, especially if you've got the dull Johnny Howard Chaplinmusic LP. Snap it up if you find, hear the jet-propelled "Smile" (with jet-propelled chorus) and its scorching hammond organ solo, "Carefree", "Paperhangers"... it's a goodie, absolutely no reverence at all for the originals. But Dale was mainly involved in recording library music. On the website for the "Sound Stage" company, there is this snippet: "Between 1963 and 1964 Syd Dale contributed to more than 300 commercial recordings and by the end of the decade had established himself as one of the best and most valued composers for the first of the new production music companies. So as to represent his own compositions in the early 70's Syd decided to "go it alone" and founded Amphonic Music. In 1980 the label "Sound Stage" was established to provide the highest quality recordings." So, the compilation (Boogaloo something, right?) is taken from the Amphonic music library, which Dale actually owned as well as composed for. I only have only Amphonic LP, by the Otto Klemperer Band (The OK Band), which is Dale-composed and good in parts (titles like "Marching Mr. Magoo", compositions described in terms such as "hippy hoedown with calliope music"). I also have a couple of earlier recordings from the mid 60s, 10" LPs of library music on the Audio Music label (IIRC). One of these is "suspense" music, y'know for eerie and threatening situations, with lots of solo bass, drones, chilling silences. The other is mostly happy light jazz, very much of its vintage, but with one monsterthunderbastardmother track called "Percussidness". This is incredible, starts off bonkers with a kettledrum beat, then we get a cowbell joining in and the melody on heavy-heavy fuzz guitar (and this is 1965 or so) and/or brass, back to a kettledrum break and so on. Totally mental piece, totally brilliant. Anyway, that's probably more than enough on Dale. Seems like most of his work was library music, tough to get hold of. Let me know what you find, I'd be interested to know more. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bissia Subject: (exotica) Astroslut cd Date: 11 Nov 1999 13:32:39 +0100 I'd like to have it to but I do only Vinyls ! Is that possible ? >6) You really DO want the Astroslut cd. Mine arrived today and it's a >blast(off). That Quinn Martian is such a prankster. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 11 Nov 1999 14:17:56 +0100 Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote: > And of all the different types of songs, tunes, etc. that Denny did, > "Hawaiian Tattoo" is the only one that really sounds Hawaiian. > Yeah, of all things the one instrument that M.D. hardly ever uses is the Hawaiian guitar... Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 11 Nov 1999 09:49:18 -0500 >Some time last night, the agile-minded and genial Paul Moshay wrote: >i don't think the more fair distribution would go as far as the artist >receiving a majority of profits, for the average artist at least. Agreed. Quite reluctantly. But that's the way it'll probably shake out. >how does making your music available to freely copy infinitely at no >cost, benefit an artist monetarily? if artists feel they do not get >a fair shake from the familiar record deal, how is giving away their >recorded songs unprotected from unlimited piracy going to better >their situation? Two words: Audience building. Three more words: Extremely high risk. For an artist in it for the long haul, MP3 files at least a way get the music out there. Then when artists have new product, they may be able to exert tighter controls. I'm probably naive here. I don't mess with MP3s so I don't really know the technology. Disclaimer here: I don't do MP3s because of piracy--that's my decision and I don't impose it on anyone. But this from someone who suffers pangs of guilt when swapping tapes of new CDs with pals or buying used books still in print. I remain guilt free only when music or books I buy are not otherwise available. I liken MP3s to building audience by tour...but much more efficiently in terms of time and costs than actually touring. (Won't say the obvious about the Net reaching wider audiences...whoops, just did!) Or maybe a better analogy would be distributing promo CDs to the college/noncommercial radio markets. Aren't those markets a shrewd way for emerging, offcenter artists to build their followings? I assume these distribution channels are ahead of the curve with music--their noncommercial formats allow programmers to play the music commercial radio won't. A tune hits on college/noncommercial markets then possibly the commercial stations pick it up...or a musician can at least earn enough to continue doin' music. An recent NYT story reported that the biggest market for MP3s are college students, who have the Net connections and time to scour the net for pirated music files and the equipment to capture it. Don't college students also buy the widest variety of music? Perhaps in this way, posting MP3s samples from a CD then becomes a method for artists to reach their biggest potential market of listeners while sidestepping the majors and other commercial distribution channels. Another thought about risk: Risk is the artists' meat and drink. Good creative work requires risk. I once worked with a PhD in education who did a lot of research on teaching creativity. He concluded that creativity--talent--can't be taught, but risk-taking could. Perhaps MP3s are a calculated risk musicians should take to build their audiences. >is the unstated notion that giving away the music, acts would make >money selling concert tix or teeshirts, etc. ? this is the part that >bewilders me. in a pure digital transmission world without copyright >piracy protection, where does the artist 'earn a living' exactly ? >i'm confused, enlighten me. Just tried, Paul. Must say, I can't help but laugh that a Wharton MBA poses this question to an Michigan MFA in, for god sakes, poetry. Really appreciate your generosity. :) I have no illusions about ever making a living on my poetry. But the odds are better for musicians, painters, photographers, filmmakers, novelists--they have a shot at big enough markets of people who are willing to pay for their creations. And I hope Nat is right with his point that people actually want objects. It means artists have access to another source of income through royalties. >possibly, though most artists are not successful economically and the >ones that are have generally have short lifespans... pop music is like >talking about perishables in a sad sense. therefore majors know that >and that there are thousands of artists out there willing to sign for >a shot at mass success that they would almost never have otherwise. Tis true, tis sad. >>> of music industry don't include a provision for 10, 20, or 30 percent of >>> the aggregate demand for prerecorded music in the us to be satiated >>> by piracy. ... > >bear in mind that >many majors also support their acts lifestyles to one degree or another >with the notion that it is worth it to allow them freedom to write/record/ >tour...and keep their lives intact while doing so. Please school me on this, teacher. I know publishing, not music. Are these payments like the advances publishers pay to writers? Or are they ongoing life-support payments beyond royalties? Sort of on the principle that the public will support a rock star if the musician is publicized as living like a rock star? >labels' will eventually have to give a bigger share of profits to artists' >i believe. the bigger acts' ability to run their own careers over the net >without label support.... Yeah! >if the major/indies cannot exploit the masters' of their artists' >releases they pay to create, they'd put their money in other ventures. Perhaps. But that would entail pricey rebuilding and repositioning of the majors as brandnames. By "other ventures" do you mean different artists? Or different lines of business? >Up to a "certain" executive level in these companies these are really >music people that like yourself want to earn a living by doing something >they love...but that can't continue if as a company they're giving away >their output. Agreed. Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) The Heintje/Heino story, pt. 2 Date: 11 Nov 1999 09:53:24 -0500 Sorry, digesters and bandwidth guardians. Taking lots of space. Promise to shut up now. beside, I'm lovin' the That Early thread. Mo wrote: >I like this idea too much! I wish I >could write screen plays. I see it all in front of my inner eye... >Little Heintje grows up in a very flat part of Holland.... I'll be happy to write the screenplay, Mo. But to do the job this biopic would demand, I'd suggest a bit of tweeking for the tale. The most compelling part of the Heintje/Heino story is yet to be told. I'm talking about Heintje/Heino in love. A little-known aspect of his biography involves the former Maharajah of Rajput, or rather, his son, Prince Ben-Al Bezuise, revered throughout the world among dog breeders for his championship apricot toy poodles. The story I heard is, they met in Paris while Ben-Al was on a dog-buying trip....Andy Warhol was sponsoring a Happening and issued a special invite to Heino/Heintje and Ben-Al Bezuise, sensing the two would spark with the rare chemistry of true love. Besides, Andy wanted a personal introduction from Heino to his wigmaker--even in New York, a good wig was hard to come by in those days. Fab visuals with the Velvets grinding away in the background and some of Andy's special silver helium balloons floating nearby. Of course Andy's matchmaking worked in an explosion of toy poodles,lust, wiggery, and yodeling music in both the Alpen and Himalayan styles. Imagine the footage we could get! I suggest we shoot this scene from the POV of the barkeep who witnesses the historic meeting. And the followup--a soft-focus montage of the formidable Ben-Al, garbed in a vivid kaftan, trailing a small flock of poodles on their leads as Heintje/Heino coos endearments to all. Ben-Al plucking a sarangi as Heintje/Heino growls in the recording studio. The two of them in a high-style kitchen perfecting HH's recipes for almond cake and dog biscuits. But alas, HH and B-AB shared only two brief years of bliss. No matter how he plied HH's mother with gifts of blue-blood dogs and frothy beverages of geniver shaken--not stirred!--with pomegranate juice, no matter how much he praised her Limburger served on rye rusk crackers, Ben-Al can't defrost the ice blasted at him by HH's mother. In fact, the guy who told me the story said Mama detested her son's companion. She was maddened by jealousy that another had supplanted her in her son's affections, according to my source. Mo, this part of the story troubles me. I can't believe a good Dutch mama would be anything other than loving, generous, warm to Ben-Al. On the other hand, well-constructed drama requires conflict, so for the needs of the picture, this is how I see the breakup scene: Cut: the dramatic showdown between Ben-Al Bezuise and Mama, positioned amid the tulip beds, backlit by a sunset marred with gathering storm clouds...they scream, the mother and the lover battling for Heintje/Heino's heart, while HH weeps, his wig askew. The 25 poodles yap in distress. Thus ecstasy came to an end. Heintje/Heino soothed his broken heart by escaping into his music, becoming an even huger star than before, conquering the German charts and sweets markets at the same time with records and his Heino Brand Mandelkuchen. Mama retreated to her cottage until she took up with the Italian cheese maker, eventually inventing Umido del poodles, a new cheese that is even stinkier than Limburger. As for the postscript about Ben-Al Bezuise, we'd need to shoot on location in Vegas, where Ben-al currently is housekeeper for and caretaker of Sigfried, Roy and their white tigers. Surely Ben-Al will sign on as a consultant if we pay him enough. Perhaps sweeten the deal with an uncredited cameo? Isn't it time to break the silence about this neglected segment of the Heintje/Heino story? There's only one problem: I think it may be apocryphal. Still, I'll have my girl buzz your girl so we can take a meeting and work out the particulars. Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Hall Subject: (exotica) RE: exotica-digest V2 #539 Date: 10 Nov 1999 17:37:24 -0500 Arjan Plug wrote... > > << Well..., this article says that in the 10s of this century > > Hawaiian music was a national (USA) craze.... > > >> > > > > Oh yeah, and I have tons of old 78s to prove it. The Hawaiian ukulele > > actually was played in many other orchestral arrangements. > > There was a Dutch CD compilation called "Haring & Hawaii" (herring & hawaii) > published in 1992 chronicling the history of hawaiian music in the > Netherlands. The earliest recording on it is a 1941 tune by the Kilima > Hawaiians although the accompanying book that was published simultaneously > starts as early as 1925. Mostly traditionals as I can gather from the > credits, very few originals. Haven't a clue if it sounds like the real thing > though! > > Arjan > Not Only But...by the 20's, the Hawaiian music craze had gone as far as Nigeria, where records imported from Europe were enjoyed by middle class black families who could afford a record player, years later leading to King Sunny Ade w/a steel guitar. > Anyone knows if there ever was a soundtrack release of "Across 110th > Street"? I only know Bobby Womack's title track of the movie (which can be > found on the Jackie Brown OST) and wondered if the rest might be in the same > superior class. > Yes, on Rykodisc, who've released a number of great titles -Johnny Mandel's "I Want to Live," Quincy Jones' Heat of the Night & Mr. Tibbs as a 2-fer, etc.... Hopefully these will stay in print following the label's move to NYC (where it's been folded into parent company Palm Pictures). The Womack tracks are all pretty great, & jazz great J.J. Johnson's incidental music is the highest quality wacka-wacka cop-jazz. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stephen W. Worth" Subject: (exotica) Re: exotica-digest V2 #539 Date: 10 Nov 1999 19:58:56 -0800 I'm a big fan of Hawaiian Guitar from the 20s and 30s... It's a great blend of jazz and native Hawaiian sounds... not at all fake. Here are some of my favorite CDs... Sol Hoopi "Master of the Hawaiian Guitar" (2 vols) Rounder Records 1024 and 1025 This is the guy that introduced me to the sound. I saw a Betty Boop cartoon called "Betty Boop's Bamboo Isle" and I was blown away by the sound of the guitar in it. The cartoon credited an obscure hula vaudeville act from the early 30s, but I later found out that Sol Hoopi was the guy playing the music. He is definitely the king of Hawaiian guitar. Roy Smeck plays Hawaiian Guitar, Banjo, Ukulele and Guitar Yazoo 1052 This guy is a jazzy showoff with lightning fast fingers. He definitely is a lot of fun to listen to. Hawaiian Music: Honolulu - Hollywood - Nashville 1927-1944 Fremeaux & Assoc. (2CDs) FA035 This is one of the best compilations. It has authentic stuff, tin pan alley stuff and some of the Western Swing spinoffs. As a complilation, it succeeds at showing how this music affected completely different branches of music. On the Beach at Waikiki Harlequin HQCD57 Tickling the Strings Harlequin HQCD28 On a Coconut Island Harlequin HQCD46 These three collections are great too. They include cuts unavailable anywhere else. Lots of great stuff by the Moe Family, Sol K Bright, Felix Mendelssohn (the Hawaiian one, not the Viennese one), and even Louis Armstrong's foray into the genre. Great stuff! Check it out... See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 415 E. Harvard St. Ste. 204 Glendale, CA 91205 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ton Rueckert Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 11 Nov 1999 12:02:07 +0100 >> << Well..., this article says that in the 10s of this century >> Hawaiian music was a national (USA) craze.... >> >> >> >> Oh yeah, and I have tons of old 78s to prove it. The Hawaiian ukulele >> actually was played in many other orchestral arrangements. > >There was a Dutch CD compilation called "Haring & Hawaii" (herring &= hawaii) >published in 1992 chronicling the history of hawaiian music in the >Netherlands. The earliest recording on it is a 1941 tune by the Kilima >Hawaiians although the accompanying book that was published simultaneously >starts as early as 1925. Mostly traditionals as I can gather from the >credits, very few originals. Haven't a clue if it sounds like the real= thing >though! I've heard the Kilima's and they don't sound very authentic to me, I guess= =20 you can't expect anything else from a comp called Herring & Hawaii... Anyway, mentioning the Kilima's made me remember how I used to sneak out=20 of school in the early 70's to play billiards with veterans of the last Dutch colonial wars in Indonesia in the late 40's, police actions as they were euphemistically called, in a small harbour cafe (yes, Vader Abraham's "Kleine cafe aan de haven" was a perpetual hit there). That's where I first heard Krontjong .=20 Here's what MELANIE TANGKAU says about it on the Dutch Pasar Malam=20 (traditional Indonesian market) website: krontjong (keroncong in=20 Indonesian) is a typically Eurasian music style, with European and Asian roots; its birth at the end of the sixteenth century probably makes it=20 the first east-west-world music in history. The genre is related to the Argentinian tango and the mornas from the Cape Verdi Islands (made famous by Ces=E0ria =C9vora). Toegoe, then a small village outside of the capital= =20 Batavia, today a district of metropolitan Jakarta called Tugu, was the=20 birthplace of krontjong.=20 There are two articles explaining the history of krontjong (it seems to=20 have the same roots as Hawaiian music...) in more detail, in Dutch alas,=20 but I'm willing to translate if there's any interest... Cheers, Ton *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** Ton Rueckert Mozartstraat 12 5914 RB Venlo The Netherlands *** *** mojoto@plex.nl http://www.plex.nl/~mojoto Ph 31/0 773545386 *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ Beware! Your bones are going to be disconnected. ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/4264/music/Xbe3975.ram ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 11 Nov 1999 11:15:35 -0500 > buying used books still >in print. I remain guilt free only when music or books I buy are not >otherwise available. Don't know why you should feel guilty about buying used books or CDs. The artist has been paid and this is perfectly legal. LT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin C." Subject: (exotica) Tabu movie showing at Stanford Date: 11 Nov 1999 08:42:57 -0800 1931 Silent movie Tabu filmed in Bora Bora will be showing at the Stanford Theatre in Palo Alto, CA on Dec. 18-19th. The movie features an all-Polynesian cast and will be shown with its original musical soundtrack (not organ). This in no way makes up for missing Martin Denny and Don Tiki playing this Saturday at Don Ho's (especially since I was just in Hawaii), but might be interesting. http://us.imdb.com/Title?0022458 http://www.swixo.com/stanford/ -Kevin Crossman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: M H Jemmeson Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 11 Nov 1999 18:16:10 +0000 Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/10/99 2:18:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, > michael@jemmeson.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > << I was listening > for the first time to Felix Mendelsohn and his Hawaiian Serenaders > earlier today, and he was the grandson or great grandson of the other > Felix Mendelsohn (as in Fingal's Cave etc)... > A bit sunnier in Hawaii than the Hebrides perhaps... >> > > I have lots of 78's by Mendelsohn and the Hawaiian Serenaders. I hate to say > it but most of them sound the same. And while I obviously love Exotica > music, I do not particularly like Hawaiian music (OK, maybe one or two tunes > occasionally). I quite enjoyed the stuff I heard, mostly because many tracks had vocals, which I think fits Hawaiian music well. The other reason I mentioned him in this thread (besides the "Ooh! famous relative!" connection) was because I think he's an example of quite early British Hawaiian music (I forgot to say that). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 11 Nov 1999 19:57:08 +0100 Ton Rueckert wrote: > Here's what MELANIE TANGKAU says about it on the Dutch Pasar Malam > (traditional Indonesian market) website: krontjong (keroncong in > Indonesian) is a typically Eurasian music style, with European and Asia= n > roots; its birth at the end of the sixteenth century probably makes it > the first east-west-world music in history. The genre is related to the > Argentinian tango and the mornas from the Cape Verdi Islands (made famo= us > by Ces=E0ria =C9vora). Toegoe, then a small village outside of the capi= tal > Batavia, today a district of metropolitan Jakarta called Tugu, was the > birthplace of krontjong. Aaah! That's what I wanted to read. New record in tracing back the roots = of Exotica. Late 16th century... I wonder how exactely things developed in t= he 17th, 18th and 19th century! Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 11 Nov 1999 13:15:30 -0500 At 12:02 PM 11/11/99, Ton Rueckert wrote: >There are two articles explaining the history of krontjong (it seems to >have the same roots as Hawaiian music...) in more detail, in Dutch alas, >but I'm willing to translate if there's any interest... Please count me interested, Ton, if it won't eat up too much time. A good summary would do. Thanks! Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark D. Head" Subject: (exotica) Wait Until Dark Date: 11 Nov 1999 13:06:04 -0600 There is an absolutely beautiful version of the title cut on Walter Wanderley's "Kee-Ka-Roo" release, with a female singer whose name currently escapes me singing in absolutely gorgeous tones! Highly recommended! And generally available these days... -- Mark D. Head The Captain mdhbene@airmail.net _______________________________________________ I thought a movie score was picking up a chick in the balcony! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Wait Until Dark Date: 11 Nov 1999 14:19:24 EST I found one more version on Enoch Light's "Film Fame" LP....JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 11 Nov 1999 13:35:10 -0500 >> buying used books still >>in print. I remain guilt free only when music or books I buy are not >>otherwise available. > >Don't know why you should feel guilty about buying used books or CDs. The >artist has been paid and this is perfectly legal. I feel guilty cuz I've seen the dismay on my husband's face when he comes across copies of his novels in the used bookstores. Another royalty he didn't get, and the bookseller gets all the profit. (Not that begrudge booksellers their profits. I just know what it's like to see someome else rakin' in bucks over my work.) BTW, authors get no royalties on remaindered books. So even though Jim's latest book is on sale in the latest Daedelus catalog, he'll get no dough from it. He was pleased that Daedelus is marketing the remainders. Particulars: Publish and Perish, James G. Hynes. Is the similar policy in place for music cutouts? One other question: Writers get lower royalities on books sold through the discounters Amazon.com, Barnes and Nobels, and some Borders selections. Is the same true of CDs sold through music discounters like CDNow? Thanks for wisdom. Mimi Now I really WILL shut up. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin C." Subject: (exotica) Martin Denny/Don Tiki show Date: 11 Nov 1999 11:49:41 -0800 Is there any chance the Martin Denny/Don Tiki appearance will be video/audio taped? Given the multi-generational participation at this event (on Saturday at Don Ho's) it sure seems like a once-in-a-lifetime kind of thing. Sure wish I could afford to fly over there to see it... Lloyd, be sure to report back to us on how things go... :-) Kevin Crossman The Search for the Ultimate Mai Tai http://www.kevdo.com/maitai/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 11 Nov 1999 15:09:42 -0500 >across copies of his novels in the used bookstores. Another royalty >he >didn't get, and the bookseller gets all the profit. (Not that begrudge But he already got a royalty from the copy; just not from the resale and considering how firmly established the First Sale Doctrine is, this is unlikely to change. It seems like an equitable arrangement to me--not only in its particulars but because changing it would probably do serious damage to the state of our culture--and yes that's speaking as someone who's had work resold with no further payment to myself. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Astroslut cd Date: 11 Nov 1999 15:48:46 -0500 >I'd like to have it to but I do only Vinyls! >Is that possible ? I think you'd need one of these: http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/home_record_maker.jpg m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 11 Nov 1999 17:15:26 -0500 Just discovered this little item called "Final Exam": http://www.skyhunter.com/marcs/finalexam.html It's a series of questions involving possible complications of the web. I think you'll find that it fits into the complicated nature of this thread. No copying from your neighbor's paper. m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nat Kone Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 11 Nov 1999 17:28:31 -0500 At 07:16 AM 11/11/99 EST, Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote: >And of all the different types of songs, tunes, etc. that Denny did, >"Hawaiian Tattoo" is the only one that really sounds Hawaiian. What did Hawaiian music sound like before it (presumably) mutated into the kind of "Pineapple Joe and his Island Serenaders sing Sweet Leilani" stuff that came to be called "Hawaiian"? What was the Hawaiian music that mainland musicians heard that influenced them to incorporate Hawaiian sounds into their music, eventually creating stuff like "My little grass shack"? Was it just the sound of the "Hawaiian guitar"? I know it's dangerous to try and guess someone's origin from their name but for instance, I see that the composer credits for "Grass shack" seem to be very "Anglo" whereas there are Hawaiian-looking names on the credits for "Hawaiian war chant" and "On the beach at Waikiki". Was traditional Hawaiian music always concerned with beaches, grass skirts, grass shacks and the notion of "paradise"? (Hard to imagine that.) The only thing that I know which is supposed to resemble traditional Hawaiian music is that of Gabby Pahinui. I'm not sure what I can extrapolate from that. Did Hawaii have "pop musicians" of its own in the 20's and earlier? Did Hawaiian pop musicians help create this mutation of their own traditional music? And where did their traditional music come from anyway? Did it develop in a vacuum? Just wondering. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nat Kone Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 11 Nov 1999 17:28:34 -0500 At 11:15 AM 11/11/99 -0500, wlt4@mindspring.com wrote: >Don't know why you should feel guilty about buying used books or CDs. The artist has been paid and this is perfectly legal. Often the used copies were sold by reviewers who obviously didn't pay for it in the first place. That doesn't mean I feel guilty buying the used copy - which I always do if I can find it - but I also don't particularly feel like I'm supporting the artist. I've had it happen half a dozen times that I run into some guy whose record I own and I'm about to tell him "Hey I bought your record" and then I catch myself, remembering that my purchase didn't exactly contribute to his sales figures. Then again, I tell myself that my purchase of the used copy might have forced some other less lucky consumer to go buy it "new". But while we're on the subject, it does seem to me that there's a good analogy between downloading stuff online for free and shopping at used record and book stores. It's very very seldom that I go looking for a record (or book) because I saw an ad for it or heard it on the radio. (Or because all my friends have it.) When I do set foot in a "new" store, it's almost always because I took a chance on something at a used store, loved it and now I'm looking for more stuff by the same artist/author. Some people don't respond well to traditional forms of advertising and inducement. They have to experience it for themselves. (Unfortunately they're the minority.) The local HMV store here has an open return policy on CD's. You can return anything after you've heard it for a full refund. Or maybe it's just a full "exchange". Either way, even with the advent of CD burning etc, they get less than two per cent returns. Of course a true capitalist would be sweating about that one percent. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nat Kone Subject: (exotica) stereo vs mono Date: 11 Nov 1999 17:28:38 -0500 I just got a stereo copy of "Music from a Surplus Store" to replace my mono copy. (Yeah it's no "Zounds" but it's still worth owning...) Anyway, it reminded me of something I've always wondered. If stereo records were playable on mono systems, why did they bother making mono versions? Especially on records like this one or Dick Schory stuff or another one of my faves, "The New Sound America Loves Best" by Sid Ramin with John Klein? Records with lots of percussive effects where stereo separation would obviously have an important role. On a few occasions, with Dick Schory or others, when I finally heard the stereo version, I felt like I'd never really heard the record before. And I'm not a total stereo fan. I don't think everything has to be stereo (let alone any of those systems with the "phantom third speaker") but it seems to me that this kind of stuff - "a basket full of new sounds" - was made to be heard in stereo? So what gives? And are there any lounge/percussion/exotica fans here who actually prefer the mono versions? Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLarry3595@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 11 Nov 1999 17:46:22 EST In a message dated 11/11/99 3:10:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, wlt4@mindspring.com writes: << >across copies of his novels in the used bookstores. Another royalty >he >didn't get, and the bookseller gets all the profit. (Not that begrudge But he already got a royalty from the copy; just not from the resale and considering how firmly established the First Sale Doctrine is, this is unlikely to change. It seems like an equitable arrangement to me--not only in its particulars but because changing it would probably do serious damage to the state of our culture--and yes that's speaking as someone who's had work resold with no further payment to myself. >> To add a final thought as to why the first sale Doctrine should never be changed: Would you like to have to pay the owner and the Ford Corp. for a used car. Or the owner and whoever for a used dryer? How about the tiki mug you bought at a yard sale? And who would set the price that the original manufacturer would be paid for the resold item? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLarry3595@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Astroslut cd Date: 11 Nov 1999 17:48:19 EST In a message dated 11/11/99 3:47:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, ecam@voicenet.com writes: << I think you'd need one of these: http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/home_record_maker.jpg >> Not long ago I saw one of these at a junk shop, but, alas it no longer worked. Otherwise I'd be cutting my debut LP right now! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hugh Petfield Subject: Re: (exotica) stereo vs mono Date: 11 Nov 1999 22:50:13 +0000 Nat wrote: >Anyway, it reminded me of something I've always wondered. If stereo >records were playable on mono systems, why did they bother making mono >versions? Stereo records were/are playable on mono systems but only if the cartridge is equipped with a suitable stylus. Ordinary mono styli damage stereo records. Hugh. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kristjan Saag" Subject: (exotica) Re: That early? Date: 11 Nov 1999 23:58:51 +0100 Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote (Nov 11): =20 =20 >And there was a comment that it was hard to record symphonic = >performances. I disagree. A single microphone pick up could be placed = at >a strategic acoustical point in the concert hall and very easily = record the >mono version. (BTW, they would often have a few mikes and = then take the >one they like the best) >tb ---- We were talking about the days before microphones. All music on record = before 1925 was recorded acoustically, by use of horns. It proved very = difficult to register all instruments of a symphony orchestra, = especially strings, which were often substituted for brass and woodwind. = That's why Caruso, for instance, never recorded with full orchestra. = After his death (and when electric recording began) some of his = recordings were remixed: orchestral accompaniment was added to the = original recordings. Kristjan # Need=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 11 Nov 1999 18:16:40 EST In a message dated 11/11/99 5:24:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, bruno@yhammer.com writes: << And where did their traditional music come from anyway? Did it develop in a vacuum? >> Deep man, deep! TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) stereo vs mono Date: 11 Nov 1999 18:19:55 EST In a message dated 11/11/99 5:48:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, tribute@dircon.co.uk writes: << Stereo records were/are playable on mono systems but only if the cartridge is equipped with a suitable stylus. Ordinary mono styli damage stereo records. >> true mono has the needle riding up and down on the bumps. a stereo stylus "vibrates" back and forth from bumps in the side of the groove. OK, that was too simplistic so get ready for the tech-no-geek versions. TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Zounds! It's stereo vs mono ! Date: 11 Nov 1999 18:21:36 EST In a message dated 11/11/99 5:24:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, bruno@yhammer.com writes: << I just got a stereo copy of "Music from a Surplus Store" to replace my mono copy. (Yeah it's no "Zounds" but it's still worth owning...) >> if you have ever listened to Zounds! with headphones (or widely spearated speakers) you wonder why they even released a mono version. no, really. tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) stereo vs mono Date: 11 Nov 1999 18:22:21 EST In a message dated 11/11/99 5:24:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, bruno@yhammer.com writes: << On a few occasions, with Dick Schory or others, when I finally heard the stereo version, I felt like I'd never really heard the record before. >> thus my Zounds comment. tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) stereo vs mono Date: 11 Nov 1999 18:25:48 EST In a message dated 11/11/99 5:24:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, bruno@yhammer.com writes: << And are there any lounge/percussion/exotica fans here who actually prefer the mono versions? >> and let's add this to the debate: which version do of Denny's Quiet Village do you like better, the original mono version or the updated stereo version they re-recorded in 1959? i could argue both sides. TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: That early? Date: 11 Nov 1999 18:27:37 EST In a message dated 11/11/99 6:00:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, kristjansaag@swipnet.se writes: << We were talking about the days before microphones. All music on record before 1925 was recorded acoustically, by use of horns. >> alright, i'm out! tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Martin Denny/Don Tiki show Date: 11 Nov 1999 18:30:14 EST In a message dated 11/11/99 2:48:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, kevin@kevdo.com writes: << Given the multi-generational participation at this event (on Saturday at Don Ho's) it sure seems like a once-in-a-lifetime kind of thing. Sure wish I could afford to fly over there to see it... >> All RIGHT AGAIN!!!!! All this talk about this show (and Tiki Bob's obvious absence!) is really PISSING ME OFF ! ! ! ! ! TB !!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Millionaire Subject: re:(exotica)that early? Date: 11 Nov 1999 15:52:33 -0800 Moritz wrote: > and starts with a wild rum intro that could make Perez Prado turn green. A "rum intro"?man...that's my kinda record! ;^) The Millionaire # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Millionaire Subject: (exotica) Luxuria.com Date: 11 Nov 1999 15:57:39 -0800 If there are any Los Angeles-based listers (with great record collections!) who would be interested in being an an online dj at Luxuria, email me offline and I'll give you more details. gotta catch 'em all! The Millionaire millionaire@enigmadigital.com www.luxuriamusic.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Tabu movie showing at Stanford Date: 11 Nov 1999 21:12:11 EST In a message dated 11/11/99 8:42:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, kevin@kevdo.com writes: << This in no way makes up for missing Martin Denny and Don Tiki playing this Saturday at Don Ho's >> AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ! ! ! ! ! ! ! TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Moshay Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 11 Nov 1999 23:16:15 -0800 on 11/11/99 2:28 PM the incisive Nat Kone scribbled; > The local HMV store here has an open return policy on CD's. You can return > anything after you've heard it for a full refund. Or maybe it's just a They *may* simply be re-shrinkwrapping cd's in the back room, if the cd's were not returned as defective and appear "clean". Not necessarily a problem. Tower used to do this alot. Paul Moshay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ottotemp@aol.com Subject: (exotica) LA area DJs wanted Date: 12 Nov 1999 02:21:13 EST Wonder What Combustible Edison is up to? Well they've broken up but the Millioniare has a new venture and you can be part of it! If there are any Los Angeles-based listers (with great record collections!) who would be interested in being an an online dj at Luxuria, email me offline and I'll give you more details. gotta catch 'em all! The Millionaire millionaire@enigmadigital.com www.luxuriamusic.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This mailing list is brought to you by Slick.ORG at http://www.slick.org to remove yourself from the list, send e-mail to majordomo@slick.org and include the words "unsubscribe tikievents" in the message (not in the subject). For web-based help, go to: http://www.slick.org/cgi-bin/majordomo * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ton Rueckert Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 12 Nov 1999 10:41:48 +0100 >Aaah! That's what I wanted to read. New record in tracing back the roots of >Exotica. Late 16th century... I wonder how exactely things developed in the >17th, 18th and 19th century! You also might wonder if you can trace back the roots of Exotica even further, for instance, what could Marco Polo have brought back from his travels, and the crusaders from theirs, how about the mass migration in the 4th century, and the heritage of (Roman) Empire? And is there anything left, maybe, from prehistoric time, when Europe itself was a (sub-)tropical paradise, then chased away by the ice ages, leaving us stuck in the ice and the rubble and seemingly searching for its lost soul ever since? Cheers, Ton *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** Ton Rueckert Mozartstraat 12 5914 RB Venlo The Netherlands *** *** mojoto@plex.nl http://www.plex.nl/~mojoto Ph 31/0 773545386 *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ Beware! Your bones are going to be disconnected. ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/4264/music/Xbe3975.ram ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica)that early? Date: 12 Nov 1999 11:10:14 +0100 The Millionaire wrote: > Moritz wrote: > > > and starts with a wild rum intro that could make Perez Prado turn green. > > A "rum intro"?man...that's my kinda record! ;^) > when rural rum ran rumbustious and rumba rumbled resulting roaring rumpus, de decent dumb "d" disengaged disgraceful de drum, sanctioning sudden scandalous silence scorching surprised scene regret? rien! remediable rebound, remedy: remnant rum! Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek Subject: Re: (exotica)rum! (was: that early?) Date: 12 Nov 1999 11:24:02 +0100 Mo wrote: > when rural rum ran rumbustious > and rumba rumbled resulting roaring rumpus, > de decent dumb "d" disengaged disgraceful de drum, > sanctioning sudden scandalous silence scorching surprised scene > regret? rien! remediable rebound, remedy: remnant rum! That's it, Mo. Quit painting and write, baby, write! Marco -- Marco "Kallie" Kalnenek +------------------------------------------+ Record Collector's Heaven http://weirdomusic.freeservers.com/ +------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 12 Nov 1999 07:22:43 EST In a message dated 11/11/99 11:17:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, mighty65@pacbell.net writes: << > The local HMV store here has an open return policy on CD's. You can return > anything after you've heard it for a full refund. Or maybe it's just a They *may* simply be re-shrinkwrapping cd's in the back room, if the cd's were not returned as defective and appear "clean". Not necessarily a problem. Tower used to do this alot. Paul Moshay >> A great local/regional music store in the Carolinas has a policy where you can listen to the CD before buying it and return it in a week or so if you do not like it. They open the CD jewel boxes by letting the top "hinge" on the little tape "seal" and instruct you not to break the seal. They re-shrink wrap if you do not buy the CD. They have about 15 to 20 listening stations and you can go and listen to the CD. So half the list should like this and the other half will see it as some infringement on the CD companies ability to pay the cleaning lady a fair wage. Tiki Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 12 Nov 1999 07:27:05 EST In a message dated 11/12/99 1:42:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, mojoto@plex.nl writes: << You also might wonder if you can trace back the roots of Exotica even further, for instance, what could Marco Polo have brought back from his travels, >> OK, this has gone far enough! Exotica started in prehistoric times when so early human beat a stick on a log and "liked the rhythm" Tiki Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica)that early? Date: 12 Nov 1999 07:29:21 EST In a message dated 11/12/99 2:10:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, exotica@munich.netsurf.de writes: << and starts with a wild rum >> seriously, what was meant by the term "and starts with a wild RUM"? was that just short for RUMba? TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) Astroslut cd Date: 12 Nov 1999 13:45:02 +0100 What's an "astroslut"? Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLarry3595@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 12 Nov 1999 07:47:05 EST In a message dated 11/12/99 7:23:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, Rcbrooksod@aol.com writes: << They open the CD jewel boxes by letting the top "hinge" on the little tape "seal" and instruct you not to break the seal. They re-shrink wrap if you do not buy the CD. >> CDs have been previously listened to more than people would imagine. At a local shop where several people I know work the employees take home what they want, open them in the manner Bob mentions, record them or whatever, take them back and reshrink and sell them as new. And no one is the wiser. And this is fine with me. As long as the booklet has not been removed and handled a used cd is pretty much the same as a new one. However, doing this with an album should be sufficient cause for receiving the death penalty. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: Re: (exotica) Luxuria.com Date: 12 Nov 1999 09:13:24 -0500 Wow! I love this audio l link! Now tell me - this can't be a continuous feed of entirely different music! = How long is the actual program before it repeats??? Just curious. Makes the living hell known as office cubicle paper-pushing just a *tad* = more bearable! - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (exotica) Luxuria.com Date: 12 Nov 1999 14:42:23 +0000 Why only LA-based DJs? Charlie charles_moseley@mckinsey.com +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | This message may contain confidential and/or privileged | | information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to | | receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, | | disclose or take any action based on this message or any | | information herein. If you have received this message in | | error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail | | and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 12 Nov 1999 09:52:14 -0500 >They *may* simply be re-shrinkwrapping cd's in the back room, if the >cd's >were not returned as defective and appear "clean". Of course it's nearly always obvious when that's been done. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lenkei Subject: (exotica) Re: Mancini Date: 12 Nov 1999 09:55:36 -0400 I recently saw that Blake Edwards movie "A Shot In The Dark". The funniest part has to be the scene in the nudist colony, where among other things, an entire band is in the nude while playing Henry Mancini's theme song to the movie. Minus Mr. Mancini, as far as I could tell. It was Hilarious. Perhaps this is where the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Matthew McConaughey got their recent ideas from. - bruce ++++++++++++++++++++ www.lenkeidesign.com ++++++++++++++++++++ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kingkini@tamboo.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Luxuria.com Date: 12 Nov 1999 09:13:10 -0600 >Why only LA-based DJs? YEAH! ...? visit... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ King Kini's C L U B V E L V E T http://www.tamboo.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rajnai, Charles, NNAD" Subject: RE: (exotica) LA area DJs wanted Date: 12 Nov 1999 09:05:22 -0500 >=20 >=20 > Wonder What Combustible Edison is up to? >=20 > Well they've broken up=20 AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! I am writhing in pain on the floor like Sinatra in "The man With the = Golden Arm"=20 visit=20 THE BRIMSTONES Eternal Surf and Garage Damnation=20 at http://www.brimstones.com =A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,= =B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4 surfing the chaos, Charlieman cdr@brimstones.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LTepedino@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) stereo vs mono Date: 12 Nov 1999 10:37:45 EST and let's add this to the debate: which version do of Denny's Quiet Village do you like better, the original mono version or the updated stereo version they re-recorded in 1959? I have to agree with Martin Denny that the original version is fresher and more exciting. The way he describes it is that this was the version recorded by a group of guys who were releasing an album for the first time and they put all they had into it. By the time the stereo version was recorded several years later and after several hundred performances Martin Denny felt a bit of the spontenaity and excitement had gotten lost. Ashley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) [obits] William Fineshriber,Gwendolyn Gordy Fuqua,Bob McCarthy Date: 12 Nov 1999 10:40:29 -0500 *William Fineshriber LOS ANGELES (AP) -- William Fineshriber, who helped develop international markets for American films and television during 24 years as vice president of the Motion Picture Association of America, died Saturday. He was 90. Fineshriber, born in Davenport, Iowa, graduated from Princeton and started work in CBS' publicity department in 1931. He was manager of New York's Carnegie Hall from 1934-1937, then returned to CBS radio where he wrote scripts, directed the music department was general manager of the CBS program department from 1943-1949. He later worked at Mutual Broadcasting System and NBC before switching to movies and directing international operations for Screen Gems Inc. Fineshriber became vice president of the Motion Picture Association of America from 1960-1984. --------------- Mary Reeves, the widow of legendary singing star Jim Reeves, died today (Thursday) in Nashville after an extended illness. ---------------- By VARIETY STAFF, November 12, 1999 Gwendolyn Gordy Fuqua Gwendolyn Gordy Fuqua, sister of Motown Records founder, Berry Gordy Jr. and the founder of several music companies, died Monday of cancer at her home in San Diego. She was 71. A native of Detroit, she and her sister, Anna, persuaded the Gordy Family to give her brother the $800 he needed to make a master recording of vocalist Marv Johnson, which eventually led to the formation of Motown Records. Fuqua later formed Anna Records and was president of Tri Phi Records with former husband Harvey Fuqua, the lead singer of the Moonglows. In subsequent years, she formed and ran three music companies: Gwen Glenn Prods., Der-Glenn Publishing and Old Brompton Road Publishing. In recent years, she established Gwen Glenn Farm and successfully bred and raced thoroughbred horses. In addition to brother Berry and sister, Anna, she is survived by her son, Glenn Gordy, another sister, Esther, and two more brothers, Robert and George. — Doug Galloway Bob McCarthy Bob McCarthy, longtime special effects director in all entertainment fields, died Oct. 31 of respiratory failure at his home in Northridge. He was 66. A native of New York City and veteran of the Korean War, McCarthy enjoyed a prolific career, creating special effects for Broadway, TV, film and rock concerts. At one time he served as special effects director for Jackie Gleason and later was the lead designer of special effects for Disney’s Epcot Center. A sampling of his credits include the feature “The Philadelphia Experiment” and the TV shows “Saturday Night Live,” “Twin Peaks,” “Search for Haunted Hollywood” and “Touched by an Angel.” McCarthy created special effects for numerous rock performers including Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Kiss, Earth, Wind & Fire, Van Halen and Genesis. He also authored the book “Secrets of Hollywood Special Effects.” He is survived by his wife, Carol, two children, three granddaughters and a brother. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 12 Nov 1999 10:04:09 -0500 At 5:28 PM 11/11/99, Nat Kone wrote: >Often the used copies were sold by reviewers who obviously didn't pay for >it in the first place. And I've seen book contracts where the wholesale price of those reviewer copies is not counted among advances or royalites earned once the advance is earned back. This often happens with midlist or first-time authors and is fairly standard with small publishing firms. Perhaps the sales generated by a review help make up this little nip in income. Another case where a writer does not get income from the work. Hope the music producers are more generous than the publishing houses. FYI. Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 12 Nov 1999 09:56:44 -0600 Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/12/99 1:42:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, mojoto@plex.nl > writes: > > << You also might wonder if you can trace back the roots of Exotica even > further, > for instance, what could Marco Polo have brought back from his travels, >> > > OK, this has gone far enough! > > Exotica started in prehistoric times when so early human beat a stick on a > log and "liked the rhythm" If a bird calls in the primeval forest and no one hears, is it still a bird call? -- Kerry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 12 Nov 1999 10:55:21 EST In a message dated 11/12/99 7:47:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, SLarry3595@aol.com writes: << CDs have been previously listened to more than people would imagine. At a local shop where several people I know work the employees take home what they want, open them in the manner Bob mentions, record them or whatever, take them back and reshrink and sell them as new. And no one is the wiser. >> i am amazed at how many cracked jewel cases come with new Cds regardless of the source. and this is important. some jewel boxes have a clear window on the left of the front and i cannot find replacements for these. the only ones i find are black. any ideas where i can find some that have the clear window on the left??? tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica)that early? Date: 12 Nov 1999 10:56:18 EST In a message dated 11/12/99 7:50:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, exotica@munich.netsurf.de writes: << read my poem, Tiki Bob! >> i did and it made my eye hurt. we need a poem form magnus! tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rajnai, Charles, NPG" Subject: FW: (exotica) stereo vs mono Date: 12 Nov 1999 11:10:27 -0500 > In a message dated 11/11/99 5:24:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 > bruno@yhammer.com writes: > =20 > << And are there any lounge/percussion/exotica fans here who=20 > actually prefer > the mono versions? > >> > =20 > and let's add this to the debate: which version do of=20 > Denny's Quiet Village=20 > do you like better, the original mono version or the updated=20 > stereo version=20 > they re-recorded in 1959? Gotta say the original mono. I am a sucker for originals, mono or = stereo. A dwindling most of the xotica I have is mono, since the majority of my collection was once a monophile's. It doesn't bother me for stuff like Denny, but I would be ticked if I found something like Esquivel in a = flea market somewhere and it was mono. =20 Of course I would buy it anyway.. visit=20 THE BRIMSTONES Eternal Surf and Garage Damnation=20 at http://www.brimstones.com =A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,= =B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4 surfing the chaos, Charlieman cdr@brimstones.com =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: Subject: (exotica) stereo vs mono Date: 12 Nov 1999 16:16:14 -0000 Nat Kone said Anyway, it reminded me of something I've always wondered. If stereo records were playable on mono systems, why did they bother making mono versions? To my recollection what they say is playable on Stereo Cartridges wired for mono. Apparantly when you do this it changes the perceived balance of the sound. You should be able to hear it if you have a system with a stereo/mono button. I think what happens is that things that are in both speakers get boosted, while things that are not, do not. Therefore a mono version should have a different balance between the instruments. The fact that they were often different performances just adds to the confusion. I also heard of a house record where the piano was recorded out of phase in one channel (is that redundant?), so when you pressed the mono button, it disappeared. Now, thats a gimmick. in a weekend mood (off home in 15 minutes) El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.shitola.freeserve.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lenkei Subject: (exotica) Re: stereo vs mono Date: 12 Nov 1999 11:20:23 -0400 ......"If stereo records were playable on mono systems, why did they bother making mono versions? Especially on records like this one or Dick Schory stuff or another one of my faves, "The New Sound America Loves Best" by Sid Ramin with John Klein?"........ Another reason for making mono versions of stereo albums was perhaps the fact that mono albums were usually a little less expensive to buy. And a lot of people probably had only mono players, too. I know my parents did! (Of course, this didn't deter them from buying stereo albums, but by the late 60's it seemed that mono was getting slowly phased out) Almost, but not quite the same situation as during the 80's, when music buyers still had a choice of CD's or vinyl, which as I recall, cost a little bit less than CD's. - bruce ++++++++++++++++++++ www.lenkeidesign.com ++++++++++++++++++++ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 12 Nov 1999 10:47:56 -0500 At 5:46 PM 11/11/99, SLarry3595@aol.com and wtl4 wrote: > But he already got a royalty from the copy; just not from the resale and >considering how firmly established the First Sale Doctrine is, this is >unlikely to change. It seems like an equitable arrangement to me--not only >in its particulars but because changing it would probably do serious damage >to the state of our culture--and yes that's speaking as someone who's had >work resold with no further payment to myself. >> Not always, as with the case of reviewer copies. I'm not out to trash the =46irst Sale Doctrine. Touche, wlt4. And... >To add a final thought as to why the first sale Doctrine should never be >changed: >Would you like to have to pay the owner and the Ford Corp. for a used car. >Or the owner and whoever for a used dryer? How about the tiki mug you boug= ht >at a yard sale? And who would set the price that the original manufacturer >would be paid for the resold item? Right, agreed. Really, I'm not out to restructure the global economy and I hope I've not left that impression my mouthing off on this thread. I live by thrifts and Rancho Deluxe is overflowing with secondhand stuff. Thank goodness the First Sale Doctrine is in place...it lets me buy stuff I want at prices I can afford. And I get a charge outta extending the life of someone's castoff. And I really don't begrudge used dealers their profits. I just wanna see artists get a little bit more of the money other people make on the first-round releases of their work. And I think the Net may offer some limited opportunities for this to happen. You know, I'm hearted by Paul's point that the Beastie Boys want to take over the distribution of their music once their contract with Capitol ends. Boy, it'll be fascinating to see what they do and how they fare. They are popular enough, smart enough, and rebellious enough that they just might pull it off. Speaking of work, must get to it. Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rajnai, Charles, NPG" Subject: (exotica) stereo vs mono out of phase Date: 12 Nov 1999 11:35:09 -0500 > I also heard of a house record where the piano was recorded=20 > out of phase in > one channel (is that redundant?), so when you pressed the=20 > mono button, it > disappeared. Now, thats a gimmick. I used to goof around with this in my younger days. Swapping the = polarity on the right channel of stereo recordings would make for some bizzarre sounding playback. I think Carver messed around with this ad nauseum = to develop some "holophonics" in the early days. If you send a polarity reversed signal of, say a guitar, to the right channel and then the "correct" polarity to the left, the sound would be VERY left, since the reverse polarity would cancel some of the sound from the left speaker = that inevitably would reach your right ear. If you messed with this flipped signal and fed it through really short delays, you could theoretically produce enhanced stereo sound. =20 Anyone else on the list ever messed with this technique? Maybe in the = quad days? visit=20 THE BRIMSTONES Eternal Surf and Garage Damnation=20 at http://www.brimstones.com =A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,= =B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4 surfing the chaos, Charlieman cdr@brimstones.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 12 Nov 1999 11:28:16 -0500 Ton wrote: And is there anything left, maybe, from >prehistoric time, when Europe itself was a (sub-)tropical paradise, There is, and Kulteral Arkeologist m.ace posted it at: http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/aud/sotw23.ram Scroll down to Sound #23, Drum Dorks Mystery Single. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jack" Subject: (exotica) "inside out records" Date: 12 Nov 1999 12:19:14 -0500 hello fellow readers, this is the only l.p. i have ( or seen) which is of the "plays inside out" configuration. exceptions being homemades. Paul Renard :" 585 keys,57 pedals & 1,054 pipes" Fortissimo xk8008 Rec. April 1961 Produced by Ray Fowler Track listing available by request Text on the cover explaines that this label is an R&D division of Riverside Records. is this record truely an odd ball ? does anyone have a cataloge of "Fortissimo" releases ? other inside outs ? thank you x 1,000,000 jack from cincinnati, listening to : " chic to chic" - nino nani carlton lp12/108 mono # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Grandia" Subject: Re: (exotica) stereo vs mono out of phase Date: 12 Nov 1999 09:25:54 -0800 The weirdest stuff I ever did was to take the positive leads from both le= ft and right and combine them into the "phantom" third channel. Totally unrelated: I also glued a mirror to a big 12 inch speaker and shined a laser that I found at a surplus store on it. Took a couple of bong hits and fired up Dark Side of the Moon. It was quite light-show on the ceiling. Space is the place. Ron > I also heard of a house record where the piano was recorded > out of phase in > one channel (is that redundant?), so when you pressed the > mono button, it > disappeared. Now, thats a gimmick. I used to goof around with this in my younger days. Swapping the polarit= y on the right channel of stereo recordings would make for some bizzarre sounding playback. I think Carver messed around with this ad nauseum to develop some "holophonics" in the early days. If you send a polarity reversed signal of, say a guitar, to the right channel and then the "correct" polarity to the left, the sound would be VERY left, since the reverse polarity would cancel some of the sound from the left speaker tha= t inevitably would reach your right ear. If you messed with this flipped signal and fed it through really short delays, you could theoretically produce enhanced stereo sound. Anyone else on the list ever messed with this technique? Maybe in the qu= ad days? visit THE BRIMSTONES Eternal Surf and Garage Damnation at http://www.brimstones.com =A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8= =B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4 surfing the chaos, Charlieman cdr@brimstones.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sende= r. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (exotica) "inside out records" Date: 12 Nov 1999 17:30:01 +0000 I have a couple of techno records - one good one by Underground Resistance (very hard) where the needle plays from the inside out - very annoying when the needle drops off the end of the record onto the spinning turntable for plenty of fun noise! And what about fun with the lockgroove - beeping, chanting, stupid voices and horns all in endless rotation! what fun. Charlie +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | This message may contain confidential and/or privileged | | information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to | | receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, | | disclose or take any action based on this message or any | | information herein. If you have received this message in | | error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail | | and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gingerich Subject: Re: (exotica) 5 CD Outer Space/Sci-Fi Box Set Date: 12 Nov 1999 11:56:25 -0600 -- Lou wrote: >BTW, I've heard that Ellipsis Arts is going to release a 3 CD set of >classic electronic music. Anyone know any details? My sources at Ellipsis tell me: "Hi, yes we're releasing a box set called "ohm; the gurus of electronic music" that covers the 1950's and forward. It'll be out in the first qtr of 2000." Thats all the info I got. This is my first posting to the list!! -- pg ____________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: (exotica) Wow - Tiki Mug Wallpaper! Date: 12 Nov 1999 12:50:56 -0500 (And other neat-o stuff......) http://www.hugemagazine.com/welcome2.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ton Rueckert Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 12 Nov 1999 18:55:09 +0100 =20 >Please count me interested, Ton, if it won't eat up too much time. A good >summary would do. Thanks! Mimi Ok, a good summary then. (from two articles by MELANIE TANGKAU originally published in the winter edition 1995 and spring edition 1996 of the Pasarkrant) The guitar was introduced in the East (Indies) by Portuguese sailors, who found the route over sea to Asia. There's the cavaquinho ('small piece of wood'), a small guitar originally from the mainland of Portugal, still played in Cabo Verde, especially in the melancholic and yet rhythmic mornas. The little brother of the cavaquinho, the braguinha, originally from Madeira, landed on Hawaii, where it eventually became the ukulele. Also from Madeira is the raj=E3o, a fivestring guitar and very likely the grandfather of the krontjong guitar. =20 Tugu From their basecamp in Malakka the Portuguese maintained trade relations with India, China and a few islands in the Indonesian archipelago, and they set up small settlements around several Asian harbour towns. After=20 the fall of Malakka and the victory of the Dutch, the Portuguese (mainly mesti=E7os =3D Portuguese Asian Christians), local converts and Mardijkers (freed African, Indian or other Asian slaves of the Portuguese, who had become Christian converts) were transported to the newly established trade center of the VOC (United East-Indian Company =3D the Dutch company that owned the monopoly for trade between the Cape and the Street of=20 Magelanes, built the basis for the Dutch wealth of centuries to come, not in the least because they were the biggest drugs dealers in the area... T.), Batavia. In 1611 the VOC by way of thanks for rendered services=20 offered a group of Mardijkers a piece of land, eight miles south of Batavia. Tugu, as it was called, developed into a Portuguese Mestizculture, where they spoke a patois of Portuguese, Indian and Malay, they sang adapted versions of popular 16th century Portuguese street and folksongs, and played the guitar Portuguese style. Two of the oldest portugis-songs (still popular in the 19th century) were =91Nina Bobo=92 and =91Cafrinyo=92 = (the first song initially had a Chinese text, the second was based on an African slave dance), sometimes accompanied by the krontjong guitar. (Follows a passage about how the songs and the music spread over Java and developed further, picking up all sorts of regional influences, indiginous, Dutch, Malay, Chinese)=20 =20 Boeajas and djagos In Batavia itself krontjong was populair among the soldiers (of different descent) in the armee baraks in and around town. While the krontjong repertoire consists of lovesongs, lullabies, dances, songs about nature and many other subjects, the soldiers concentrated on lovesongs with improvised texts, intended to seduce prostitutes and innocent girls (it says so in the article, as if prostitutes are guilty by definition... T.). Outside the baraks the songs were circulated by travelling troubadours, who often were of ill repute, and were seen, rightly or wrongly, as a threat to public decency. They were known as boeaja =3D crocodile or djago =3D cock, meaning macho, womaniser or hoodlum, basher, most of them Indonesian, some Indian, Chinese or Malay. Later, early this century, there were groups of boeajas (now called gangs, but with krontjong guitars instead of ghettoblasters and guns) in almost every kampong of Batavia, the most notorious in the Chinese quarter Glodok. Despite its bad reputation krontjong music grew more and more popular by the end of the 19th century, the most fervid fans among the lower classes of the kampongs, especially the district of Kemajoran in Batavia was known for their many krontjong artists. Along with its popularity (mainly among the Indonesians) the resistance grew (mainly among the Indos, the people of Dutch or Dutch-Indonesian descent) just as it grew against other indigenous cultural expressions like the sarong kebaja (traditional cloth worn by men and by women) or petjoh (Indo dialect), everything had to become as European as possible, and the great influx of Dutch workforce, especially women, took care of that. At the height of kolonialism decent Indo boys and girls were not supposed to listen to krontjong, European classical music ruled, and if you wanted something modern, there was jazz, and if you insisted on exotica, there was hawaiian music, that was ok too. Then krontjong showed its flexibility by integrating modern elements as emerged in songs like the Krontjong Foxtrot and the Krontjong Cha-cha, but only the Indos closest related to the indigenous people remained faithful to krontjong, which only reinforced the prejudices among the higher classes. In The Netherlands (the style most known to us Dutch is krontjong-hawaiian, made famous by the Indo guitarist George de Fretes), after the repatriation following Indonesias independence, krontjong slowly freed itself ot its pauper stigma, it became the soundtrack of nostalgia, even more, the expression of the Indo soul, timeless, a home for a people in diaspora. Record Industry Krontjong was first and foremost streetmusic, it was played and sung purely for fun at home and on the street with accompaniment of guitar, flute and violin. Spread in the early days by merchants and soldiers from Batavia to the northern harbour towns of Semarang en Soerabaja and beyond, it was further popularised and professionalised by the emergence of the record industry. Immidiately after the introduction of the 'talking machine' in the West, this invention was introduced in the East. In 1902 a representative of Columbia recorded in India several hundred titles with local singers and instrumentalists, these were pressed in Europe initially, but already in 1907 the first factory to accomodate the Southasian market was built in Calcutta. Lyraphon, Beka en Path=E9 followed soon and Odeon mad= e the first known recordings of krontjong, then still simple and rural, played by anonymus trios, guitar, flute and violin, sometimes a rebana (a little drum) too. With the urbanisation and professionalisation the trio was extended with piano, cello, clarinet, banjo and mandoline and the musical competitions these krontjong orchestras held on the pasar malams like the Pasar Gambir in Batavia and in the amusement parks greatly increased the popularity of the genre from 1910 on. The orchestras were not only judged on musicality, but also on fitting attire and professionalism. Sometimes these competitions were real battles, two orchestras in one tent and the public serving as judges, which occasionly lead to hand-to-hand fights whereby the members of one orchestra tried to woo over the better singer from the other orchestra. These were the nights alert representatives of record companies attended for scouting new talent for their label. Artists reputations got better in the 20's and their names began to appear on the records, they also got to perform in caf=E9s and nightclubs in and around Batavia. The music had definitely changed, the tempo of the early krontjong had halved, the rhythms got more complex, and it had become the most popular music of the time.=20 Komedie Stamboel Another important factor in the popularisation of krontjong was the Indo Opera: the Komedie Stamboel, founded in 1891 in Soerabaja by August Mahieu, with financial help of the rich Chinese Jap Goan Thay. Mahieu combined aspects of western and eastern theatre and named this form Komedie Stamboel, because most stories were from Stamboel, the Malay name for Constantinopel or Istanbul. His actors wore the red fez and the white turban of the Turks and the Arabs. The company performed plays based on Thousand and one night, adaptations of Shakespeare (Hamlet, Merchant of Venice) and plays based on European fairy tales, Chinese and Persian stories (Djoela Djoeli Bintang Tiga), all in Malay to ensure a broad audience. The scenes were alternated with musical interludes of mostly krontjong played by an orchestra of mainly European strings and windinstruments, with an occasional piano, contrabass or guitar. The Komedie Stamboel made long and succesful tours in Java and thus greatly helped the spread of krontjong on a wider scale. =20 Cheers, Ton *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** Ton Rueckert Mozartstraat 12 5914 RB Venlo The Netherlands *** *** mojoto@plex.nl http://www.plex.nl/~mojoto Ph 31/0 773545386 *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ Beware! Your bones are going to be disconnected. ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/4264/music/Xbe3975.ram ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: (exotica) stereo vs mono out of phase Date: 12 Nov 1999 10:16:49 -0800 (PST) One of my favorite tricks 17 years ago was to take the same song, ie "Night Must Fall" by Xavier Cugat, and play it at the same time on 2 turntables. Turn table A would be the left channel, and turn table B would be the right channel, (Use Y cords) Take a record and the exact same copy & start it exactly at the same time on both turntables. This produces an out of phase mono image in the middle. By increasing the speed of one turntable, a phase shift occurs. If you increase ever so slight ly the speed of turntable A the image shifts to A, decrease the spped and the image shifts to B. If you keep increasing and decreasing the turntable speed it will make you sick to your stomach in stereo. If you switch the pre amp to a MONO setting, you get the same phase shift effects as heard in Itchycoo Park. I called this technique "stereo/mono" and Cugat always sounded great this way. Also "More Specials" by the Specials had total left and right seperation. On my old Morantz 2270 reciever there was a left mono button and a right mono button. If you pressed the left button the left channel was sent to both the left and right speaers, a mono left channel on both speakers. Same with the right mono button. Then if you pressed both in you recieved the left and right channels in mono. Believe it or not I really miss this function on my reciever today. The 2270 still works. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Quiet Village stereo vs mono Date: 12 Nov 1999 13:31:42 EST In a message dated 11/12/99 10:37:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, LTepedino writes: << I have to agree with Martin Denny that the original version is fresher and more exciting. The way he describes it is that this was the version recorded by a group of guys who were releasing an album for the first time and they put all they had into it. >> what i find amazing is that if you are listening passively, it is very hard to tell the two songs apart. i do hear the more "primitive" percussion (if you will) in the original. still, there are some passages that i cannot tell the difference. whenever i hear a version start and i don't pay attention for about 30 seconds i have to wait to the part where the piano solo starts to differentiate the two. also, and ashley may shed some light on this, there are a couple of versions (of both the mono and stereo) that have been shortened. sorry i cannot site one at the moment. comments? tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 12 Nov 1999 13:33:47 EST In a message dated 11/12/99 10:55:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, dymaxia@ripco.com writes: << If a bird calls in the primeval forest and no one hears, is it still a bird call? >> SQUALK ! ! ! ! SQUALK ! ! ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) stereo vs mono out of phase Date: 12 Nov 1999 13:38:41 EST In a message dated 11/12/99 12:26:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, rgrandia@xtabay.com writes: << Anyone else on the list ever messed with this technique? >> we talking about the bong technique or are we still on the mono v. stereo jag? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Wow - Tiki Mug Wallpaper! Date: 12 Nov 1999 13:40:23 EST so nat, did you ever get you a tiki mug? tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) stereo vs mono out of phase Date: 12 Nov 1999 13:37:52 EST In a message dated 11/12/99 12:26:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, rgrandia@xtabay.com writes: << I also glued a mirror to a big 12 inch speaker and shined a laser that I found at a surplus store on it. Took a couple of bong hits and fired up Dark Side of the Moon. It was quite light-show on the ceiling. >> Hey-Zous Christo, that's a great story! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) stereo vs mono out of phase Date: 12 Nov 1999 13:42:20 EST In a message dated 11/12/99 1:17:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, chuckmk@yahoo.com writes: << I called this technique "stereo/mono" and Cugat always sounded great this way. >> and chuck, did THIS technique involve a bong TOO???? tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 12 Nov 1999 14:10:42 -0500 >>And is there anything left, maybe, from >>prehistoric time, when Europe itself was a (sub-)tropical paradise, > >There is, and Kulteral Arkeologist m.ace posted it at: > >http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/aud/sotw23.ram > >Scroll down to Sound #23, Drum Dorks Mystery Single. Full page visible here: http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/jook.html m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arjan Plug" Subject: (exotica) Brave Combo in Amsterdam Date: 12 Nov 1999 20:22:45 +0100 Caught Brave Combo on the last date of their Dutch tour yesterday evening. Disappointing turnout of about fifty in a 1200 capacity venue, I assume they aren't too wellknown here! On the other hand it might be just be blamed on Amsterdam. So a distinct lack of atmosphere but the band coped admirably though, the clarinetplayer posing with his freshly bought wooden shoes... Didn't what to expect live really but it was a mix of texmex, polka, salsa. I really liked the couple of cumbia songs. A nice version of "Patricia" was played too. Had to leave before the end to catch the late train but glad to have seen them once. Arjan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rajnai, Charles, NPG" Subject: RE: (exotica) stereo vs mono out of phase Date: 12 Nov 1999 15:03:20 -0500 > << Anyone else on the list ever messed with this technique? >> >=20 > we talking about the bong technique or are we still on the=20 > mono v. stereo jag? >=20 Not the bong thing, the out of phase signal routing thing. Although they do similar things with your head.... visit=20 THE BRIMSTONES Eternal Surf and Garage Damnation=20 at http://www.brimstones.com =A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,= =B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4 surfing the chaos, Charlieman cdr@brimstones.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ross 'Mambo Frenzy' Orr Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Date: 12 Nov 1999 16:14:09 -0500 Nat wondered: >What did Hawaiian music sound like before it (presumably) mutated into the >kind of "Pineapple Joe and his Island Serenaders sing Sweet Leilani" stuff >that came to be called "Hawaiian"? >What was the Hawaiian music that mainland musicians heard that influenced >them to incorporate Hawaiian sounds into their music, eventually creating >stuff like "My little grass shack"? >Was it just the sound of the "Hawaiian guitar"? >I know it's dangerous to try and guess someone's origin from their name but >for instance, I see that the composer credits for "Grass shack" seem to be >very "Anglo" whereas there are Hawaiian-looking names on the credits for >"Hawaiian war chant" and "On the beach at Waikiki". I'm sorry that I've been a little distracted and probably won't be able to do this tread justice. . . But based on what you can read in George Kanahele's _Hawaiian Music and Musicians: An Illustrated History_ I have to mention again that the whole concept of "authenticity" gets pretty tricky when you're talking about Hawaiian music. Just for starters, Hawaii has been a multiethnic crossroads for centuries, and Hawaiians have never been shy about adopting whatever aspect of other cultures seemed appealing. The original Polynesian people of Hawaii had very simple instruments (like, conch shells) and tended to sing monophonically. Harmony is actually an idea which arrived with christian missionaries, and not all that long ago relatively speaking. Turn-of-the-century Hawaiian band music was just as likely as not to have violins, flutes, and whole raft of other European instruments. And of course the ukulele and "hawaiian guitar" which to outsiders seem like the defining elements of their music originally came from (in legend anyway) the wandering Spanish cowboys who came to Hawaii following the introduction of cattle. (Also, if I recall correctly, the first electric guitar ever made was a lap slide guitar made on the mainland but intended for Hawaiian music.) The other weird aspect to all this is that white guys who immigrated to Hawaii often became quite influential in the music world, to the point where their songs would be widely accepted as "real." Meanwhile, "real" Hawaiians were often traveling all over the world taking advantage of the Hawaiian music craze, so there are a few well-know Hawaiian songs that actually came from guys who had spent their whole careers working in Canada, Europe, or whatever. So there certainly has been no shortage of incredibly corny, cheesy, or inappropriately jazzed-up music that was called "hawaiian" just on the basis of some steel guitar and island-y lyrics. But there's no guarantee that some actual Hawaiian person might not start listening to it and say, "hey--I kind of like that." cheers, --Ross || Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr || Ann Arbor, Michigan USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: (exotica) new listee wants to sign on Date: 12 Nov 1999 16:56:00 EST Sorry for the interruption. Can anyone tell me how one signs onto this list. Its been so long I forgot! Thanks in advance..Jimmy Botticelli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin C." Subject: Re: (exotica) stereo vs mono (quiet village) Date: 12 Nov 1999 17:39:16 -0800 > and let's add this to the debate: which version do of Denny's Quiet Village > do you like better, the original mono version or the updated stereo version > they re-recorded in 1959? Much prefer the mono version of Quiet Village. The stereo version sounds "slower" to me and the piano isn't quite as pronounced. (of course, the mono version of Exotica is noticably better on quite a few of the songs...) Props to Capitol for putting both versions on the Exotic Sounds set and to Scamp for providing the mono version of Exotica! Kevin Crossman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) stereo vs mono (quiet village) Date: 12 Nov 1999 21:59:34 EST In a message dated 11/12/99 5:38:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, kevin@kevdo.com writes: << Props to Capitol for putting both versions on the Exotic Sounds set >> i think capitol made "stereo" versions of the mono release. tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) new listee wants to sign on Date: 12 Nov 1999 22:54:15 -0500 >Sorry for the interruption. Can anyone tell me how one signs onto this list. >Its been so long I forgot! Thanks in advance..Jimmy Botticelli On the seventh day of the seventh month, after fasting for the previous seven days, climb to high ground and face the sun as it rises over the edge of the world... beat upon your chest the rhythms of your ancestors (listen and you will hear them)... faster, louder... peer into the sun and read the forgotten, yet familiar, hieroglyphics hidden within its flames... release the primeval scream of ecstasy that lies waiting in the deeps of your belly... Confirmation should arrive from xmission shortly afterwards. m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lloyd Kandell Subject: (exotica) Concert flyer Date: 12 Nov 1999 13:09:38 -1000 To Kevin, Kerry, Tiki Bob (AAAAARGGHHHH!) and others who've expressed dismay at not being here for our show tomorrow... here's the flyer as a small consolation prize. We are trying to arrange a professional video taping of the concert and will let you know if and when it's available. alohaderci, Fluid Floyd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ottotemp@aol.com Subject: (exotica) DOGGY DINER CONVERGENCE, San Fran Date: 13 Nov 1999 01:10:33 EST SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 13TH CAROUSEL RESTAURANT, 2750 SLOAT AVE. S.F. CA. 10:30 A.M. - NOON That's right- 4 complete, original 10 foot high, 300lb. fiberglass Doggie Diner Dogheads together in one place for possibly the last time ever. On this date, the Dogminican Order of the 1st Church of the Last Laugh will, accompany the High Holy Trinity of Dogheads down to their soon to be fallen comrade at Sloat Ave. and the Zoo. That's right, for perhaps the last time ever Four (count 'em) four 10 foot high fiberglass icons will be in the same place for a brief and religiously profound moment. The Doghead at The Carousel Restaurant at Ocean Beach is the last remaining publicly displayed Doggie left anywhere. Despite it's obvious cultural, historic (and spiritual) importance, the short sighted cretins of the Sloat Garden Center have withstood the Public outcry at their heinous decision to remove it. Please come down to witness this beatific and ever so rare convergence. The three Dogheads are the official icons of the Cacophony Society and the Holy Trinity of the Dogminican Order. They have been together for 6 years and appear at important functions and critical historic moments (as well as weddings, bar mitzvahs and barn raisings all around the Bay area). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This mailing list is brought to you by Slick.ORG at http://www.slick.org to remove yourself from the list, send e-mail to majordomo@slick.org and include the words "unsubscribe tikievents" in the message (not in the subject). For web-based help, go to: http://www.slick.org/cgi-bin/majordomo * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 13 Nov 1999 02:56:54 -0700 On Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 01:35:10PM -0500, Mimi Mayer wrote: > I feel guilty cuz I've seen the dismay on my husband's face when he > comes across copies of his novels in the used bookstores. Another > royalty he didn't get, and the bookseller gets all the profit. > > BTW, authors get no royalties on remaindered books. So even though Jim's > latest book is on sale in the latest Daedelus catalog, he'll get no > dough from it. He was pleased that Daedelus is marketing the > remainders. Either way the bookseller gets paid but he doesn't, so why is he dismayed by used copies but pleased about getting picked up by Daedelus? I'm afraid I feel no guilt whatsoever at buying used, "used promo", cutout, or otherwise-unburdened-by-royalties copies of books and CDs...though if there were a way for me to throw the equivalent of the royalties back at the author/artist without the labels taking a percentage to keep their larders stocked with hookers and cocaine, I'd do it. -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (exotica) Luxuria.com Date: 13 Nov 1999 02:59:34 -0700 You gotta be more careful with that URL, bucky -- "luxuria.com" is a design firm. :-) -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: (exotica) Clear jewel case trays (was Re: Didn't RealAudio ask for it?) Date: 13 Nov 1999 03:08:07 -0700 On Fri, Nov 12, 1999 at 10:55:21AM -0500, Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote: > some jewel boxes have a clear window on the left of the front and i > cannot find replacements for these. the only ones i find are black. > > any ideas where i can find some that have the clear window on the > left??? Ear-Rational Music has them (see http://www.xmission.com/~ear/acc.html). -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (exotica) stereo vs mono out of phase Date: 13 Nov 1999 03:28:45 -0700 On Fri, Nov 12, 1999 at 09:25:54AM -0800, Ron Grandia wrote: > The weirdest stuff I ever did was to take the positive leads from both left > and right and combine them into the "phantom" third channel. How very "Ambient 4: On Land" of you. :-) -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "carrie mazzucca" Subject: (exotica) the 'best' ethel smith? Date: 13 Nov 1999 09:17:17 CST i have several ethel smith lps and am wondering if i am missing perhaps her rockin' est tunes yet. in all your humble estimations what was her best. also is she still kicking? carrie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Date: 13 Nov 1999 09:39:50 -0500 At 2:56 AM 11/13/99, Lazlo Nibble wrote: >Either way the bookseller gets paid but he doesn't, so why is he dismayed b= y >used copies but pleased about getting picked up by Daedelus? It surprised me too, Lazlo. I spotted P&P in Daedelus, Jim said, "Hey, that's not too shabby!" He grumbled a bit, then pointed out Daedelus is a tonier remainder jobber than, say, BooksA Million (I made that up. Don't know if BooksAMillion does direct mail or if it's even still in business.) It was about the company he was keeping. Go figure. Men are such irrational creatures! ;) The book has some exotica content--satirical stuff about Captain Cook's landing and death in Hawaii, Easter Island from a historian caught up in po-mo theory, plus a sex scene where two characters recreate a beach paradise in a living room. He nixed my suggestion that the lovers use Martin Denny as the soundtrack for their games. Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: MOOG SOOP CD's Date: 13 Nov 1999 13:56:46 +0100 Keith, could you post a track list of your 3 MOOG comp CD-R's? johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) new Mancini reissues on RCA spain Date: 13 Nov 1999 14:33:40 +0100 any comments on these new Mancini reissues on RCA spain? * Two For The Road * High Time Johan quiet@village.uunet.be | ) / \ | ) / \ | ) / \ | ) / \ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LTepedino@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Quiet Village stereo vs mono Date: 13 Nov 1999 12:51:15 EST In a message dated 11/12/99 1:32:11 PM EST, Rcbrooksod@aol.com writes: << also, and ashley may shed some light on this, there are a couple of versions (of both the mono and stereo) that have been shortened. sorry i cannot site one at the moment. >> Yes, the stereo version of "Quiet Village" that appears on the "Quiet Village" album is shorter than the version that appears on the stereo version of "Exotica" as they decided to use the shorter 7" single length version as this was the "hit" version being played by radio (this was still the days of the 3 minute song length barrier at radio) Ashley. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LTepedino@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) stereo vs mono (quiet village) Date: 13 Nov 1999 12:58:48 EST In a message dated 11/12/99 9:59:34 PM EST, Rcbrooksod writes: << << Props to Capitol for putting both versions on the Exotic Sounds set >> i think capitol made "stereo" versions of the mono release. >> You are correct. On all the Baxter and Denny 2 CD sets (possibly evenon the Ultra Lounge series discs too) capitol made "fake" stereo versions of all the tracks originally recorded in mono. While they do sound far better than the "fake" stereo versions that record companies originally came out with in the '60s in an effort to "upgrade" their mono catalogs for the stereo buying public, this still alters both the audio quality and spirit of the recording and I frimly believe it was a move that should not have been made. Ashley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Quiet Village stereo vs mono Date: 13 Nov 1999 13:31:14 EST In a message dated 11/13/99 9:52:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, LTepedino@aol.com writes: << Yes, the stereo version of "Quiet Village" that appears on the "Quiet Village" album is shorter than the version that appears on the stereo version of "Exotica" as they decided to use the shorter 7" single length version as this was the "hit" version being played by radio (this was still the days of the 3 minute song length barrier at radio) >> I went back and listened to a few various versions of Village this morning. For those interested: Scamp Exotica (original mono version) is 3:41 Scamp Quiet Village (stereo version Denny re-recorded) is 2:58 Mundo Exotica (track 17 - stereo version) is 3:48 The version on Mundo Exotica is not the original mono version with fake stereo added tho. It appears to be a longer version of the stereo re-recorded version released on the Quiet Village LP. I assume this must be the version from the stereo re-record of Exotica. I have not looked closely to see which of the fake stereo cuts on the UL CD's were originally only in mono. (That will have to be a project for another day) BTW, I enjoy the longer stereo version over the shorter stereo version. They cut about 45 seconds out just before the piano solo. Whenever I hear the shorter version it bothers me when at 1:21 it "jumps" to the piano solo. Also, the stereo re-record of Village sounds more "bassy" to me -- I like the more "treble" sound of the original mono version becasue the percussion sounds so much more crisper. Tiki Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) new listee wants to sign on Date: 13 Nov 1999 10:02:46 -0500 >>Sorry for the interruption. Can anyone tell me how one signs onto this lis= t. >>Its been so long I forgot! Thanks in advance..Jimmy Botticelli =46rom info.exotica if m.ace's method doens't work. HOW TO SUBSCRIBE AND UNSUBSCRIBE To join "exotica," send email to majordomo@xmission.com with the command "subscribe exotica" (without quotes) in the body of the message. You will recieve a confirmation message and a copy of this information file. Once you are subscribed, you will recieve each message as it is posted to the list. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: (exotica) new listee wants to sign on Date: 13 Nov 1999 16:28:05 EST <> I think old Tiki Bob needs to make a house call. The following information is at the bottom of every email sent from the List. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nat Kone Subject: (exotica) Duffy Date: 13 Nov 1999 18:07:24 -0500 I saw a fascinating documentary last night about the late Donald Cammell, best known for co-directing "Performance". They showed some moments from his first film as a writer, "Duffy" which seemed like a fabulous mess of sixties psychedelic hippy filmmaking pretensions. And the soundtrack sounded amazingly groovy. Is this soundtrack available? How about the film itself? Anyone know about it? Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kristjan Saag" Subject: (exotica) Re: stereo vs mono Date: 14 Nov 1999 00:04:59 +0100 chuckmk@yahoo.com wrote (Nov 12): >On my old Morantz 2270 reciever there was a left mono button and a = right >mono button. If you pressed the left button the left channel was sent = to >both the left and right speaers, a mono left channel on both speakers. = Same >with the right mono button. =20 -- For those of us who play 78:s this function is indispensable. The = possibility to listen to just one side of the groove (the one that is = least damaged) saves many old 78 from the trash bin. Kristjan =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kristjan Saag" Subject: (exotica) Re: stereo vs mono Date: 14 Nov 1999 00:05:05 +0100 =20 Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote (Nov 11): >true mono has the needle riding up and down on the bumps. a stereo = stylus >"vibrates" back and forth from bumps in the side of the groove. >OK, that was too simplistic so get ready for the tech-no-geek versions. > >TB -- The hill-and-dale system of recording was used on cylinder phonographs = and by some disc-making record companies (Edison, Pathe) in the first = two-three decades of this century. Ever since the end of the 1910:s = lateral engraving has been used, which means registration of sound waves = by side-to-side movement of the stylus. With stereo this was changed: the groove was now engraved to carry sound = information both vertically and horisontally - thus the reproduction = stylus registers both sideways' and up-and-down _bumps_ in the grooves. Kristjan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kristjan Saag" Subject: (exotica) Another oddity Date: 14 Nov 1999 00:05:16 +0100 The puzzle record is another groovy oddity: records with interlaced = grooves - you don't know which track you're gonna hear when you lower = the stylus... This has been used ever since the turn of the century; I have a British = Dance Band 78 with this gimmick. Also, there have been records with = horse races: the first part of the three or so interlaced spirals is the = same but the end different - you bet on a horse, lower the stylus and = hope you're on the winners track! The Aardvark Mastering Co http://www.aardvark-mastering.com/ offers = this service for vinyl freaks. Kristjan=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kristjan Saag" Subject: (exotica) Inside-out records Date: 14 Nov 1999 00:05:22 +0100 isonj@email.msn.com asked (Nov 12): =20 > other inside outs ? --- Inside-out engraving was used by a few record companies in the early = days of the gramophone record (Pathe for instance), but was also used = for transcription discs (radio programmes) and for sound track (before = sound was recorded, by use of light-rays, directly on the film). Acoustically inside-out engraving has advantages: distortion is always = higher in the inner grooves, and most music has its highest amplitude at = the end of the piece. Putting the end at the outer edge of the record = diminishes the risk of distortion. Kristjan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nat Kone Subject: Re: (exotica) the 'best' ethel smith? Date: 13 Nov 1999 19:00:51 -0500 At 09:17 AM 11/13/99 CST, carrie mazzucca wrote: > > >i have several ethel smith lps and am wondering if i am missing perhaps her >rockin' est tunes yet. > >in all your humble estimations what was her best. I also assume that somewhere out there is an Ethel Smith LP or two that rock harder than anything I have by her. But I do have a couple of her records which are a lot better than the worst ones I've heard... if that makes any sense. They may not be the good ones but they're way above the bad ones. The best one I have is "Ethel Smith's Cha Cha Cha Album", the highlight of which is a version of "Flirtation Mambo"... which almost rocks in a rough, Latinesque kinda way. It's the arrangement here - the horns, percussion, voices - which elevates the tune but it also contains some of her more nimble-fingered playing. The other "good" record of hers I kept was "Latin from Manhattan". It has a pretty cool version of Tico Tico with some reasonably nimble playing. The thing is, I don't think Ethel really wanted to rock that much. And though I might subscribe to "less is more" when it comes to some things, I don't feel that way with the organ. I don't think Ethel is the place to go if you're looking for driving organ or lotsa different organ sounds. Then again, maybe I haven't heard the right records either. I've only heard ten or so... and kept these two as the highlights, so far. Once upon a time, there was a discussion on this list to the effect that "Lenny Dee is the male Ethel Smith", essentially saying that Ethel was the real deal and Lenny just the version. I can't agree with that. I love Lenny. I have over ten of his records and had trouble getting rid of three or four recently. Then again, my love for Lenny has a lot to do with all the over-the-top cover versions he got into as the years wore on. "Love Train" and "Rock your Baby" are particularly good examples from the disco period. And if you think you might like an Ethel Smith record eventually, try Marjorie Meinert while you're waiting. She's similar to Ethel but better, methinks. And then there's Sir Julian. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Elisabeth Vincentelli" Subject: (exotica) Crap radio Date: 13 Nov 1999 21:24:54 -0500 For all of you fans of the abysmal, go check out www.radionaze.com, streaming the worst pop music ever produced in France. They play atrocious hits, obscure crapola (the name translates as radio crap) and just about everything you don't want to hear--I can't stop listening! You can also sent e-postcards of choice record covers. I'm in heaven. Elisabeth # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek Subject: (exotica) Exotica extravaganza on Dutch radio! Date: 14 Nov 1999 14:41:37 +0100 Tomorrow, November 15, on Dutch Radio 4 NPS: Dutch radiostation Radio 4 radioshow SUPPLEMENT presents ‘ALOHA TEARS’. In ‘ALOHA TEARS’ Pascal Plantinga, visits Keau Miki Akui and Harry B. Soria Jr. at KCCN’s ‘Territorial Airwaves’; shares a ride with Myrtle K. Hilo, the Singing Cabdriver; takes some pictures at the Kodak Hula Show and visits Martin Denny and Arthur Lyman whose birdmusic intrigued everyone in the late ‘50s. The past years, the exotic music of Denny and Lyman has made a come-back, and as part of this resurgence, Martin Denny’s music even appears in the feature film "Breakfast of Champions". A modern version of Exotica is played by Honolulu-based band Don Tiki. Bandleader and composer Kit Ebersbach talks about the relation between Hawaii, Exotica and Don Tiki. Exotica used to play a prominent role in the Waikiki music scene in the ‘50s and ‘60s. However, as Waikiki got more upscale and commercial in the ‘70s, the entertainment lost a lot of its authentic character. Lisa Hookano’ Holly, manager of the small Hawaiiana Hotel, and Fred Ing, Hawaiian Village Historian at Hilton’s Hawaiian Village Hotel speak about the changes that went on in Waikiki and the impact they had on the entertainment in Waikiki. One of the few places that still offer Hawaiian entertainment, is the Halekulani Hotel. Entertainers Vic Rittenband and Nancy Gustafsson take Pascal to a concert of The Islanders, who play at the Halekulani’s ‘House without a Key’ every night. Vic and Nancy talk about the Golden Days of Waikiki, when the hotels still offered authentic Hawaiian shows and the entertainment would go on all night long. To Pascal, it seems like those days are all over now, but when Vic and Nancy take him to ‘La Mariana Sailing Club’ Pascal suddenly finds himself in a different era. At this beautifully decorated hide-away in Keehi Lagoon, Annette welcomes her guests to an intimate setting where Old Hawaii still lives. Pascal also discovers Hawaiian Swing. Hula Joe and the Hutjumpers and Da Big Kahuna and the Copa Cat Pack are two bands that bring back this wonderful version of Hawaiian dance music. Matt Cattinghub and Ginaii Johnston talk about the contribution they hope their bands will make to the resurgence of the Waikiki entertainment scene. Please tune in, and enjoy "Aloha Tears in RealAudio through NPS-WEBRADIO. The show will be broadcast live, which will be from 08.00 - 12.00 A.M in Hawaii, the 15th of November. Listeners in Hawaii are of course especially welcome. -- Marco "Kallie" Kalnenek +------------------------------------------+ Record Collector's Heaven http://weirdomusic.freeservers.com/ +------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cheryl Subject: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, November 14 Date: 14 Nov 1999 10:45:49 -0500 Beyond kitsch, Space Bop is one hour of full galactical wonder, and can be heard every Sunday from 4 to 5 pm on CKUT 90.3 FM in Montreal, Canada, and on RealAudio (real time only, for now) at: http://www.ckut.ca As usual, all comments, questions, and feedback welcome. Space Bop #71 Mixes And Meows Private Thoughts In Public Places: Start Button "Kidnap International" Arling & Cameron: How About The Boys "Space Baby Blast Off" Le Hammond Inferno: Try To Overcome Your Speech Defects "Easy Leasing Superstar" Our Man From Odessa: SoftTransAuto "Kidnap International" Loveletter: Barbarella "Songs For Marshmallow Lovers" Montefiori Cocktail: Quando Quando Quando "The Cocktail Shaker" Nozh Dlya Frau Muller: Iris Kis-Kiss "Kidnap International" Fantastic Everlasting Gobstopper: I Am A Kitten "Songs For Marshmallow Lovers" Laurent Lombard: Bad Girls "Hi-Fi Stereo Remixes" Kambala: Ninety Nine "Kidnap International" Dean Martin & Julie London: Sway (Remix by The Rip-Off Artist) "Electro Lounge" Combustible Edison: Solid State "Schizophonic!" Gotz Alsmann: Das war eine schone Party "Zuckersuss" (Thanks, Mo!) Seks Bomba: The From 'Mondo Edgar' "Operation B.O.M.B.A." Thanks for reading. cheryls@dsuper.net brian@phyres.lan.mcgill.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cheryl Subject: (exotica) Kidnap International Compilation Date: 14 Nov 1999 10:59:27 -0500 We picked up a very interesting compilation CD a few weeks ago, called Kidnap International (which we'll be playing a few tracks from on this week's Space Bop). It's on KidNap Records, out of Holland, compiled by DJ Goldfinger. It's an excellent compilation, but I'd like to know more about it - does anyone have any more information on this label, DJ Goldfinger, the musicians involved in the CD, etc? thanks, cheryl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Another oddity Date: 14 Nov 1999 10:49:25 -0500 At 12:05 AM 11/14/99, Kristjan Saag wrote: >The puzzle record is another groovy oddity: records with interlaced >grooves - you don't know which track you're gonna hear when you lower the >stylus...Also, there have been records with horse races: the first part of >the three or so interlaced spirals is the same but the end different - you >bet on a horse, lower the stylus and hope you're on the winners track! Yeah, I have a pre-O Superman Laurie Anderson/William Burroughs lp that's a puzzle record. Of course for ol' Bull Lee, "horse race" has a completely different connotation. Probably relased on the Giorno Poetry Systems label. Mimi, Dr. Benway's long-suffering nurse # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ross 'Mambo Frenzy' Orr Subject: (exotica) "Snuff" Garrett Date: 14 Nov 1999 16:05:33 -0500 OK: Not only was "Snuff" Garrett the brains behind Bacharach Baroque and the Lonely Harpsichord in Shangri-La records, and not only was he producer of the Telly Savalas celebrity record (whose version of "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling" will send you running from the room screaming), BUT--a while back I noticed his songwriter credit on Cher's magnum opus "Gypsies Tramps and Thieves"! What a man!!! THEN, I find out from one of Brad's indispensable pages, http://home.earthlink.net/~spaceagepop/garrett.htm that he was (is?) also TOMMY Garrett, as in "the 50 guitars of. . . " Which have never impressed me all that much--but you do have to admit that the guy got around. . . and perhaps his career as a pop-music whore puts the Cher lyric into an interesting autobiographical perspective. Anyway, now I've made a firm vow to buy any other record I came across with his name on them. And this week I brought home another, _Spanish Rhapsodies for Young Lovers_ (Viva Records), by "The Midnight String Quartet with Harpsichord, Piano and Rhythm." Not quite at the same level as Bacharach Baroque, but a winner nonetheless--I'd describe it as EZ/Baroque elevator music. The Jobim tune "Meditation" is particularly swanky on the harpsichord--the classical and the Bossa rubbing shoulders seductively. So folks flip through your records--and let me know if there are any other Garrett-produced winners out there I need to look out for. . . cheers, --Ross || Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr || Ann Arbor, Michigan USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ross 'Mambo Frenzy' Orr Subject: (exotica) "Snuff" Garrett Date: 14 Nov 1999 16:18:02 -0500 At 4:05 PM -0500 11/14/99, Ross 'Mambo Frenzy' Orr wrote: >Not only was "Snuff" Garrett the brains behind Bacharach Baroque and >the Lonely Harpsichord in Shangri-La records, And what's more, he co-produced _Bobby Vee meets the Ventures_! (Which I thought was just too bizarre--until I found out that signing Vee to Liberty was what got his career off the ground to begin with.) Still boggling, --Ross || Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr || Ann Arbor, Michigan USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kendoll Subject: Re: (exotica) "Snuff" Garrett Date: 14 Nov 1999 14:48:42 -0700 Ross 'Mambo Frenzy' Orr wrote: > So folks flip through your records--and let me know if there are any > other Garrett-produced winners out there I need to look out for. . . Classical Country by 'Snuff Garrett's Texas Opera Company' is another one of Garrett's bizarre genre-blending projects -- combining one country standard with one number from the classical canon in every song. My favourite is Release Me & Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata. Other combos: Make The World Go Away and Clair de lune (Debussy) Wildwood Flower and Joy (Bach) I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry and Second Concerto Op. 18 (Rachmaninoff) San Antonio Rose and Also Sprach Zarathustra (Strauss) Rose Garden and Bach's Minuet and so on. A scan of the personnel reveals David Foster on piano. Mike Ewanus All Sales Are Vinyl http://fn2.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~Welcome.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darrell Brogdon" Subject: Re: (exotica) "Snuff" Garrett Date: 14 Nov 1999 15:47:24 -0600 > Not only was "Snuff" Garrett the brains behind Bacharach Baroque and the > Lonely Harpsichord in Shangri-La records, Seems to me I've got a couple of the Midnight String Quartet albums (which also uses the harpsichord to good effect) produced by Snuff Garrett, along with one of the Lonely Harpsichord albums, too. I met the guy (sort of) back in the '70s when he appeared at a film festival in Houston, TX. One of the guests of honor was Roy Rogers-- they were showing a bunch of his films--and for some reason Snuff Garrett was hanging around with him. At one showing of a Rogers film, they stopped the film about 10 minutes in and announced that Roy would like to come in and see the movie, too, 'cause it was one of his favorites, and would anybody mind if they re-started the film? So while they rewound the film, in came Roy--in full cowboy regalia--along with Snuff Garrett, who sat down right in front of me and my then-wife. Didn't take off their cowboy hats for the screening, either, so we had trouble seeing the film. Who's gonna ask the King of the Cowboys to take off his hat? I think that's illegal in Texas, anyway. Snuff sat next to Roy and sang along with all the songs in the movie. He seemed to know ALL the words. Not all that exotic, I guess. Useless trivia served daily... Darrell Brogdon dbrogdon@ukans.edu The Retro Cocktail Hour KANU Radio Broadcasting Hall The University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045 Visit The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Listen to The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retrolisten.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Live Honolulu Cam Date: 14 Nov 1999 18:58:41 EST Old Tiki Bob is readying himself for the marvelous trip to Hawaii in January 2000. Others on the list might enjoy the Hawaii Live Cam at: http://www.royal-hawaiian.com/live.cfm?prop=rh Mahalo, Tiki Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ross 'Mambo Frenzy' Orr Subject: (exotica) Re: the 'best' ethel smith? Date: 14 Nov 1999 19:20:37 -0500 Carrie wrote: >i have several ethel smith lps and am wondering if i am missing perhaps her >rockin' est tunes yet. > >in all your humble estimations what was her best. I like _Latin from Manhattan_ too--but for "rockin'est" you'll want _Ethel Smith's Hit Party_, a later, more 60s release. _Hit Party_ rips the place up with a gen-u-ine rhythm combo, electric guitars, the works. Her driving, Noir version of "Taste of Honey" might be my fave from it. (My breathless, slack-jawed burblings after the first listen are to be found somewhere in the archives. . . ) Nat wrote: >I love Lenny [Dee]. I have over ten of his records and >had trouble getting rid of three or four recently God save me. . . Lenny has pulled decisively ahead of Pere Ubu and the Three Suns, and I now have 26 Dee LPs--including 2 autographed ones. The thing with Lenny is that he had his Hammond hot-rodded to do a couple of really freaky sounds that no one else used, but which always just slay me. . . Don't miss _Dee-Latin_ if you only have room for one. cheers, --Ross || Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr || Ann Arbor, Michigan USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ross 'Mambo Frenzy' Orr Subject: (exotica) Re: mono & stereo Date: 14 Nov 1999 19:39:36 -0500 Ashley wrote: >On all the Baxter and Denny 2 CD sets (possibly evenon the >Ultra Lounge series discs too) capitol made "fake" stereo versions of all the >tracks originally recorded in mono. While they do sound far better than the >"fake" stereo versions that record companies originally came out with in the >'60s in an effort to "upgrade" their mono catalogs for the stereo buying >public, this still alters both the audio quality and spirit of the recording >and I frimly believe it was a move that should not have been made. Yes, same thing with the UL cuts that were mono originally (i.e. everything before 1958). I'll speak more strongly than Ashley on this. They sound like someone playing the record in a goddamn storm drain. Once you become aware of which tracks were processed this way, it becomes very obvious and annoying. I think it's often interesting to listen to the mono version of a recording, even when a stereo one is available. It's not at all the same thing as taking the L & R channels and combining them. You can argue that the art of making a good mono mix had been evolving for many years, at a point when stereo was still new and producers were a little clumsy with it. In mono, there were a lot of subtle techniques for suggesting space in the front-to-back dimension; and generally things were mixed with less room reverberation (which just makes things murky in mono). So solo instruments often get a much more forward sound in the mono version. Of course, a lot of things we enjoy were really *created* for stereo, in which case that's obviously the way to listen to them. . . yours in binaural monophony, --Ross || Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr || Ann Arbor, Michigan USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: mono & stereo Date: 14 Nov 1999 22:11:44 EST In a message dated 11/14/99 4:42:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, rotohut@ic.net writes: << I'll speak more strongly than Ashley on this. They sound like someone playing the record in a goddamn storm drain. Once you become aware of which tracks were processed this way, it becomes very obvious and annoying. >> give us some "for instances". tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thinkmatic@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Portable CD players and Home Cooked CDs? Date: 14 Nov 1999 22:28:43 EST So far today I've purchased 2 portable (walkperson sized) CD players. The first one was an RCA player in the $70 range. I got it home and it wouldn't play any CD-R that was burned using Sonic Foundry's CD Architect. It didn't matter the color of the media, blue, gold, green, silver, it was just CDs cooked up on CD Architect. I thought the laser in my CD-R drive might be calibrated wrong or something like that. I took the CD player back to the store along, with a disc that was burned using CD Architect. I tested every brand they had and the RCA was the only one that wouldn't play it. I then got an Aiwa portable, I brought it home and it will play all the disc that I have which were made with CD Architect as long as they're on a media that's colored light goldish blue, but it won't play any discs that I've burned on blue media and it won't play certain discs that list subscribers have given me that are burned on blue media, but it plays other discs that the same individuals burned on blue media. All of the discs that the portable CD players have trouble playing, play perfectly on even my most sensitive 8 year old Sony deck and 3 or 4 others that I've tested them on. **The following sentence may not be suitable for younger readers or people offended by profanity** What the mangy horse fucking hell is going on!!! My guess is that the compact nature of the portable CD players does not allow for some important bit of hardware that even some cheap boombox style CD players must have since 4 or 5 of those have worked fine. I'll test a few more on one of each of the disc I have problems with when I... GO BACK TO THE DAMN STORE AGAIN TOMORROW !!!!!!!!!!!!! So to recap. I am very frustrated. I can't seem to find a small portable compact disc player that will play all the audio CD-Rs I own. The inability to play is not limited to media color, drive the discs are burned on or computer application used to burn them. Any input or general moral support is greatly appreciated. -Roy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLarry3595@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Portable CD players and Home Cooked CDs? Date: 14 Nov 1999 22:41:05 EST I have traded cd-rs with two list members and make my own. Also, locally I have a friend who I have traded with. My Sony Discman (a fairly inexpensive player) plays all of them perfectly. These are discs coming from 4 different brands of CD-R burners and all different colors and brands of cd-rs. If you are having problems try the Sony Discman. If it doesn't play your discs I would suggest that maybe the system you are using is not operating optimally or properly. I hope it works for you. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (exotica) Portable CD players and Home Cooked CDs? Date: 15 Nov 1999 09:46:04 +0000 The answer to this dilemma is to buy a portable minidisk. This will allow you to edit, rearrange and chop up your mixes before you put them on CD. Then use the MD as your friendly portable player. Compile and carry your minidisk mixes - leave your CD player at home on the shelf. Charlie +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | This message may contain confidential and/or privileged | | information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to | | receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, | | disclose or take any action based on this message or any | | information herein. If you have received this message in | | error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail | | and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (exotica) Channel 4 - Eurotika Date: 15 Nov 1999 10:11:50 +0000 Saturday night on Channel 4 saw a documentary on the women of European sleazy films of the late 60s/early 70s, which mentioned Soledad Miranda (Vampiros Lesbos). Then they showed Four Times in One Night - I forget the Italian title. Quite cool, groovy music, mod interiors and short skirts. A couple of films mentioned were recent Italian soundtrack reissues by Easy Tempo and others. Where can I see more of this stuff I wonder? Charlie charles_moseley@mckinsey.com +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | This message may contain confidential and/or privileged | | information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to | | receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, | | disclose or take any action based on this message or any | | information herein. If you have received this message in | | error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail | | and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) Portable CD players and Home Cooked CDs? Date: 15 Nov 1999 11:09:23 +0100 Thinkmatic@aol.com wrote: > So far today I've purchased 2 portable (walkperson sized) CD players. All of > the discs that the portable CD players have trouble playing, play perfectly on > even my most sensitive 8 year old Sony deck and 3 or 4 others that I've tested > them on. > I am very frustrated. I can't seem to find a small portable > compact disc player that will play all the audio CD-Rs I own. ...and off starts the Hifi Stereo Mailing List for weeks and weeks on yet another thread on music hardware.... Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Portable CD players and Home Cooked CDs? Date: 15 Nov 1999 07:11:31 EST In a message dated 11/14/99 7:29:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, Thinkmatic@aol.com writes: << So far today I've purchased 2 portable (walkperson sized) CD players. The first one was an RCA player in the $70 range. I got it home and it wouldn't play any CD-R that was burned using Sonic Foundry's CD Architect. >> Roy, Roy, Roy! I have the same experience with certain CD players and various conditions and media. It is very frustrating. I have a car CD player that does not play any burned CD-R. I have another car CD player that acts up, particularly if the weather is hot, when I play CD-R, but other times it works fine. My very nice Technics home unit will act up sometimes but my new office 120 CD holder Technics has never missed a beat. A friend of mine bought a rather cheap portable CD player that has that 20 second buffer thing and he says all CD's play fine. He made a copy of my Tiki Room CD (still under development) that I burned with CD Architect and his copy of my copy worked fine on his RCA home unit which he bought about 3 months ago. The whole freaking thing is a mystery. I will tell you one thing, for me, burning CD's does not have the ubiquitous play back that say a cassette tape did. Sharing in the frustration, TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Portable CD players and Home Cooked CDs? Date: 15 Nov 1999 07:14:36 EST In a message dated 11/14/99 7:29:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, Thinkmatic@aol.com writes: << It didn't matter the color of the media, blue, gold, green, silver, it was just CDs cooked up on CD Architect. >> i know we are headed back to the same discussion but . . . . . if there is anybody on the list ordering Matsui "branded" CD-Rs with a gold or silver recordable surface side would they please let me know their sources and price. i have found them for 18 or so bucks for 10 but the bastards want 16 bucks to ship and "handle" them for me. even when i said i did not want the CD-Rs handled the prices remained the same. thanks, tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Portable CD players and Home Cooked CDs? Date: 15 Nov 1999 07:16:21 EST In a message dated 11/14/99 7:29:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, Thinkmatic@aol.com writes: << My guess is that the compact nature of the portable CD players does not allow for some important bit of hardware that even some cheap boombox style CD players must have since 4 or 5 of those have worked fine. >> i have had the feeling that it has to do with sampling rates. i wonder if a player that samples more will read "bad" or poorly burned areas a few times before saying "i can't play this CD-R shit". comments???????????? tv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Portable CD players and Home Cooked CDs? Date: 15 Nov 1999 07:19:31 EST In a message dated 11/15/99 2:09:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, exotica@munich.netsurf.de writes: << ...and off starts the Hifi Stereo Mailing List for weeks and weeks on yet another thread on music hardware.... >> what is the german word for "delete button". all in fun MO. tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) Portable CD players and Home Cooked CDs? Date: 15 Nov 1999 13:36:18 +0100 Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/15/99 2:09:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, > exotica@munich.netsurf.de writes: > > << ...and off starts the Hifi Stereo Mailing List for weeks and weeks on yet > another thread on music hardware.... > >> > > what is the german word for "delete button". > what's the american word for "unsinn"? If the delete button is the justification for posting just *anything* on this list, then why is it called "Exotica"? I find it pretty sad, that threads like this usually seem to draw much more attention than a serious discurse about real Exotica-related subjects. If you have problems with your CD-player ask your dealer, buy a product that says "Made in Germany" on the package or join a CD-player mailing list. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thinkmatic@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Portable CD players and Home Cooked CDs? Date: 15 Nov 1999 08:49:59 EST In a message dated 11/15/99 7:36:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, exotica@munich.netsurf.de writes: > "Exotica"? I find it pretty sad, that threads like this usually seem to draw > much more attention than a serious discurse about real Exotica-related > subjects. If you have problems with your CD-player ask your dealer, buy a > product that says "Made in Germany" on the package or join a CD-player > mailing > list. I have found that part of the enjoyment of exotica and the "Exotica" mailing list is the sharing of music with other members of the list. The relative rarity of much of this music means that home recording is frequently the only way to disseminate the music. The down side of sharing the music and home recording is that it involves software, hardware, audio equipment, mailing, uploading, downloading and technology. It all seems relevant, from basic artist discussions, rants on the corporate structure of record companies to the lineage of Tiki mugs. -Roy G. Biv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) Portable CD players and Home Cooked CDs? Date: 15 Nov 1999 15:08:52 +0100 Thinkmatic@aol.com wrote: > > "Exotica"? I find it pretty sad, that threads like this usually seem to draw > > much more attention than a serious discurse about real Exotica-related > > subjects. > The down side of sharing the music and home > recording is that it involves software, hardware, audio equipment, mailing, > uploading, downloading and technology. Yeah, like many things you do today. > It all seems relevant, from basic artist discussions, rants on the corporate > structure of record companies to the lineage of Tiki mugs. I don't mean to exclude these hardware questions in total. It's just the general amount of these kind of postings, that I find doubtful. The quality of a mailing list lies in its practical use also. If I have to read my way through dozens of unrelated postings before I arrive at one related to the original purpose of the list, it's just too time-consuming. And Tiki Bob's suggestion with the delete button basically means that I am forced to delete postings just by the subject. And I think that'd be a pity. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thinkmatic@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Rhode Island Mourns the Departure of The Millionaire Date: 15 Nov 1999 09:42:16 EST Providence, RI - Mayor Vincent =93Buddy=94 Cianci announced today that beca= use=20 of the hundreds of thousands of letters he has received the city will be=20 erecting an eighty foot statue commemorating former Providence resident, =93= The=20 Millionaire=94. The statue will be housed in Providence=92s Kennedy Plaza a= nd=20 will depict =93The Millionaire=94 feeding the hungry, healing the sick and=20 playing the guitar. Officials believe this location will allow ample room=20 for what projections say will be the millions of tourists that will annually= =20 flock to the sight. =20 Over the past month one of The Millionaires=92 former haunts, =93In Your Ear= =94=20 records has been systematically torn apart by Mecca making souvenir seekers,= =20 claiming that the record shop is a =93blessed and holy=94 place that they ea= ch=20 must posses a small piece of. A local merchant now receives hundreds of=20 pilgrims daily after announcing that he saw the face of The Millionaire on a= =20 greasy falafel bag. =93We did not know his power until he was gone.=94 , a=20= local=20 clergyman said. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thinkmatic@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Portable CD players and Home Cooked CDs? Date: 15 Nov 1999 09:48:47 EST In a message dated 11/15/99 9:08:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, exotica@munich.netsurf.de writes: > I don't mean to exclude these hardware questions in total. It's just the > general > amount of these kind of postings, that I find doubtful. The quality of a > mailing > list lies in its practical use also. If I have to read my way through dozens > of > unrelated postings before I arrive at one related to the original purpose of > the > list, it's just too time-consuming. And Tiki Bob's suggestion with the > delete > button basically means that I am forced to delete postings just by the > subject. > And I think that'd be a pity. > I can certainly understand your feelings. Next time I'll ask folks to reply directly to me and not clutter the list with lengthy CD-R/disc player minutia. -Roy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darrell Brogdon" Subject: (exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour Date: 15 Nov 1999 08:54:53 -0600 The percussion is passionate on this week's Retro Cocktail Hour webcast. We'll hear from The Mallet Men, Bobby Rosengarden and Phil Kraus, "Fantastic Percussion", "The Drum Suite" and Pete Rugolo's famous "Bongo Riff", featuring Jack Costanzo. Also on the menu this week -- sexy singer April Stevens, whose voice sounds "like it's full of angora sweaters"; TV crime jazz by Stanley Wilson and Mundell Lowe's All-Stars; Kenyon Hopkins; bossa by Balanco and Tony Mottola (his "Peligro Bossa Nova" is based on the theme from TV's "Danger"); exotica from Marty Wilson, Les Baxter and Don Ralke; Fran Jeffries sings about "Sex and the Single Girl"; plus tunes by Vinnie Bell, Mirageman, Bob Thompson, Shorty Rogers, Don Tiki and more. To hear The Retro Cocktail Hour on the Web, just go to: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Requires a minimum 28.8 connection and RealPlayer. As always, your comments, suggestions and requests are welcome! Thanks for the space. Darrell Brogdon dbrogdon@ukans.edu The Retro Cocktail Hour KANU FM 91.5 Broadcasting Hall The University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045 Visit The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Listen to The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro/retrolisten.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sandberg Magnus" Subject: (exotica) who mastered it? Date: 15 Nov 1999 18:09:01 +0100 some records is truly strange. You can listen to them for years and they sound as good as the first = time you heard them. It can be a record you call "one of my favorites". = You dance to it in your little box of an apartment. You play it for = others and they say "wow that record is really great". Then there comes = a day when you feel a little off pitch, and you play the record for = comfort but the record suddenly becomes your enemy. It feels like it is = there to haunt you, make you feel bad, spit at you. Terrify you. It = knows more than you, and it's using it agains you. After a while, some = days maybe you try to listen to it again, now its not aggresive anymore, = you dont get cold shivers, but you will never appreciate the record the = way you used to. Because it has mastered you. Magnus (who actually enjoys to be scared ... at least afterwards) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) Francoise Hardy?? Date: 15 Nov 1999 12:25:43 -0500 In amongst the debates on hardware and debates on debating hardware, I'm still hoping for some enlightenment on Francoise Hardy. Anyone? Pretty please? Thanks, m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arjan Plug" Subject: (exotica) Dutch radiobroadcast about Exotica Date: 15 Nov 1999 19:12:23 +0100 Just noticed (really) that In an hour time, one of the Dutch national radio stations has a 4 hr special about Exotica music. Live from KCCN Honolulu. Interviews with Arthur Lyman and Martin Denny amongst others. As far as I can gather there is live audio stream. Hopefully the ones below work... http://www.omroep.nl/nps/radio/supplement/framesets/frameset_stemaf.htm http://www.omroep.nl/nps/webradio/ (and choose live audio stream) Arjan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) Francoise Hardy!! Date: 15 Nov 1999 19:20:59 +0100 m.ace wrote: > In amongst the debates on hardware and debates on debating hardware, I'm still hoping for some enlightenment on Francoise Hardy. Anyone? Pretty please? What do you want to know? She was a pop/schlager/chanson singer of the 60s and 70s, sang mostly in French, but had some successes in German as well, don't know about English, but would guess she did as well. Her songs are so so, mostly very soft, you could file her in Nat's most desired category soft pop... she was pretty, I mean she was really beautiful, tall, slim, long straight brunette hair, the type of the times, but musically, I don't know. Would surprise me if anything would come up that would knock me off the chair. Any details, such as producers, song and album lists, sorry, I can't help you there. No website about her? BTW: Isn't it strange, we don't seem to have any French list members? Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arjan Plug" Subject: (exotica) Dutch radiobroadcast about Exotica II Date: 15 Nov 1999 20:15:11 +0100 has just started http://www.omroep.nl/nps/radio/supplement/framesets/frameset_stemaf.htm and select live stream Arjan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Portable CD players and Home Cooked CDs? Date: 15 Nov 1999 14:12:57 EST In a message dated 11/15/99 7:36:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, exotica@munich.netsurf.de writes: << what's the american word for "unsinn"? If the delete button is the justification for posting just *anything* on this list, then why is it called "Exotica"? I find it pretty sad, that threads like this usually seem to draw much more attention than a serious discurse about real Exotica-related subjects. If you have problems with your CD-player ask your dealer, buy a product that says "Made in Germany" on the package or join a CD-player mailing list. Mo >> Well that is one opinion. I personally feel that our efforts to de-bug our CD burning process is directly related to us spreading the music to others who enjoy it. TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Portable CD players and Home Cooked CDs? Date: 15 Nov 1999 14:24:21 EST << And Tiki Bob's suggestion with the delete button basically means that I am forced to delete postings just by the subject. And I think that'd be a pity. >> There are a lot of topics I do not particularly enjoy on the List and so I use the delete button from time to time. I never said the delete button is justification for posting "anything" to the list. It does, however, provide a means. Use it how you will. Oh, I liked the comment about buying a CD player that was Made in Germany should solve the problem. (Specifically: "If you have problems with your CD-player ask your dealer, buy a product that says "Made in Germany" on the package or join a CD-player mailing list.") Now THAT seems like a logical response to old Roy. There! Our discussion is complete. Now back to discussions about true Exotica. Oh, and Roy, don't bother to send me any more of your CD-Rs (as I understand some don't work) and don't worry that I may miss out on some neat music that you discovered. So how about that Tipsy? TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kingkini@tamboo.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Francoise Hardy!! Date: 15 Nov 1999 13:30:52 -0600 >m.ace wrote: > > > In amongst the debates on hardware and debates on debating >hardware, I'm still hoping for some enlightenment on Francoise >Hardy. Anyone? Pretty please? this is about the best i've ever been able to find on her: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/geroki/fhd000.htm visit... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ King Kini's C L U B V E L V E T http://www.tamboo.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: (exotica) "Dustbin Compilations" Date: 15 Nov 1999 15:20:38 -0500 Whew! Finally I'm doing what many I'm sure find to be somewhat taxing, = but ultimately rewarding. =20 I'm slowly listening through my entire vinyl collection and writing down = which songs on which albums are "Boss" and deserve to be placed on a comp. = tape. I've finally finished volume one and am just "tooting my horn" to = the list. Really though, if you're interested (I've only got side "B" with me, I'm = still working on formatting the "J" card with nifty graphics and stuff - = the hardest part is trying to fit all the damn song titles on there. I = might have to include a magnifying glass with each trade. Yes, TRADE. = I'd love to swap tapes with anyone interested. Here's Side B: (Song title follows person and name of album) "Ritmica" on the Time 2000 LP is a great hammerin' jungle fury of bongos = and percussion on an otherwise drab album. It's finding cuts like this = one and rescuing them from the black hole of their neighbors that makes = these tapes worthwhile. And get a load of that title, "Music with Sound" = - well, er, would it be "Music" if it didn't have sound??? - Nate Xavier Cugat "Viva Cugat!" - Nightingale "Jon Hall Brings Music from Hawaii" - Que Linda Les & Larry Elgart "Girl Watchers" - Music to Watch Girls By "Jet Set Dance Discotheque Vol. 3" - Church Key "Jet Set Dance Discotheque Vol. 3" - If I Would Ever Leave You Ray Martin & His Orch. "Dynamica" - Lullaby of the Leaves Randy Carlos & His Orch. "Swingin' With Randy" - More Smoke Time 2000 Series "Music With Sound" - Ritmica "George Cates' Polynesian Percussion" - Chant of the Jungle Billy Mure "Hawaiian Percussion" - Sleep Walk Baja Marimba Band "Fowl Play" - Along Comes Mary Harry Betts & Orch."Jazz Soul of Dr. Kildare & Other Great TV Themes" - = Moment of Fear Harry Lubin Symphony Orch. "Music from One Step Beyond" - Weird Percy Faith & Orch. "Adventures in the Sun" - The Fiddling Bullfighter "Dance Rhythms, Tempos for Fav. Dancing" - Cheek to Cheek w/ Baby Lewi Okehu & His Surfboarders "Hawaiian Holiday" - Hawaiian Rock =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cheryl Subject: (exotica) WB Cartoon Music Date: 15 Nov 1999 15:23:00 -0500 Hi all; I've been asked by a Space Bop listener to find out the name of a CD for him - can anyone on this list help? He claims there was a CD issued a few years back of Warner Bros. cartoon music by Carl Stalling - does anyone know the title? Thanks for any input cheryl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin C." Subject: Re: (exotica) WB Cartoon Music Date: 15 Nov 1999 12:31:25 -0800 cheryl wrote: > I've been asked by a Space Bop listener to find out the name of a CD for > him - can anyone on this list help? He claims there was a CD issued a > few years back of Warner Bros. cartoon music by Carl Stalling - does > anyone know the title? The Carl Stalling Project: Music From Warner Bros. Cartoons, 1936-1958 The Carl Stalling Project, Volume 2: More Music From Warner Bros. Cartoons 1939-1957 Highly recommended. Kevin Crossman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kingkini@tamboo.com Subject: Re: (exotica) WB Cartoon Music Date: 15 Nov 1999 14:42:05 -0600 >I've been asked by a Space Bop listener to find out the name of a CD for >him - can anyone on this list help? He claims there was a CD issued a >few years back of Warner Bros. cartoon music by Carl Stalling - does >anyone know the title? there were two: The Carl Stalling Project : Music From Warner Bros... The Carl Stalling Project : Vol. 2 - Music From Warner Bros... visit... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ King Kini's C L U B V E L V E T http://www.tamboo.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: (exotica) WB Cartoon Music Date: 15 Nov 1999 16:05:38 -0500 >few years back of Warner Bros. cartoon music by Carl Stalling - does >anyone know the title? There were two: The Carl Stalling Project and The Carl Stalling Project Vol. 2 (duh). The first one is far and away the best. (Speaking of which: supposedly John Zorn's liner notes have been removed from later pressings; does anybody know if that's in fact true and if so why?) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica) WB Cartoon Music Date: 15 Nov 1999 17:24:21 -0500 No, this doesn't answer the question, but while I would not be the one to argue that Stalling was a great choice for the cartoon soundtracks, I just happened to be watching a very late Warner Bros. cartoon featuring Rapid Rabbit. The cartoon was dreadful, but the music by William Lava was rather au-go-go. I usually didn't like his scores to the Road Runners (which were directed by Rudy Larriva and not as good as the Chuck Jones), budget constraints notwithstanding, but this score was rather nice. It pays to listen as well as hear! Brian Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arjan Plug" Subject: Re: (exotica) Francoise Hardy!! Date: 15 Nov 1999 23:42:43 +0100 >m.ace wrote: > > > In amongst the debates on hardware and debates on debating >hardware, I'm still hoping for some enlightenment on Francoise >Hardy. Anyone? Pretty please? Actually I have the "Complete Vogue Recordings 62/67" on order for a couple of weeks now but not gotten in yet alas. More report when I get that in. Anyway, it's a French 4CD box with has been recommended as the (expensive) essential buy as other compilations seem to miss seminal tracks from that period. I have two slightly older sixties albums by her: "Ma jeunesse fout le camp..." (1967) and "Comment te dire adieu?" (1968). The former I like somewhat better but both are good : folky moody chansons alternating with some beatstuff. Good arrangements, I like her voice a lot and I rate her even more highly than sixties France Gall. Arjan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ross 'Mambo Frenzy' Orr Subject: (exotica) Re: mono & stereo Date: 15 Nov 1999 18:07:44 -0500 I sputtered: ><< I'll speak more strongly than Ashley on this. They sound like someone > playing the record in a goddamn storm drain. Once you become aware of > which tracks were processed this way, it becomes very obvious and > annoying. >> And Tiki Bob asked >give us some "for instances". Listening to _Bachelor Pad Royale_ again, it wasn't particularly obvious. But the place where it really bugged me was on _Mambo Fever_. Tracks 4, 6, 8, 11, 13 and 16 have this unnatural "congested" sound--it's hard to find the right word to describe it--but it sounds like the musicians are trapped inside a box. I suppose part of the problem was working with lower-fi originals there. Yma's voice cuts through the mix no matter what, of course! cheers, --Ross || Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr || Ann Arbor, Michigan USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: mono & stereo Date: 15 Nov 1999 18:26:30 -0500 >You can argue that the art of making a good mono mix had been evolving for >many years, at a point when stereo was still new and producers were a >little clumsy with it. In mono, there were a lot of subtle techniques for >suggesting space in the front-to-back dimension; and generally things were >mixed with less room reverberation (which just makes things murky in >mono). So solo instruments often get a much more forward sound in the mono >version. Then there is the flat out weird process of taking a stereo record and making it mono. Atlantic did this with some of their reissued singles and this only serves to muddy up the recording. Listening to the mono version of "I Can't Turn You Loose" on the reissue, made me think, "Well, it was recorded in the sixties, hard to get a good sound, etc., however, if you listen to the same record in stereo, I expected a little more clarity, but this was SO severe, I believe that they took the stereo mix and just made it mono. Brian Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thinkmatic@aol.com Subject: (exotica) End to CD player nightmare (with extra Exotica Content added) Date: 15 Nov 1999 20:33:16 EST I took 11 CDs from 5 sources, (5 of the CDs were from folks on this mailing list) to a large US electronics store. REAL EXOTICA CONTENT: The CDs were: Mission Impossible/Astro Sounds From Beyond the Year 2K Carl Stalling Project Vol. 2 Havana 3 AM Xaviar Cugat - Feeling Good & Dance Party How to Speak Hip Yma Sumac, Voice of Xtabay/Inca Taqui Jack Burger -The End On Bongos/Marty Gold -Skin Tight 3 Suns - Movin' 'N' Groovin' Martin Denny Exotic Moog/Les Baxter Moog Rock Warren Kime's Brass Impact Goin' Someplace/Enoch Light Brass Manageri 73 Zounds/Music From a Surplus Store They all played flawlessly on 3 Sony Discman players even the $49.00 baby. I also took the 2 discs that played the worst on the majority of portable players I tested (Carl Stalling & The End On Bongos/Skin Tight) and tried them on every boom box in the store they both played fine on even the $29.00 boom box. Conclusion: Small portable compact disc players are less accurate at reading home burned CDs then any other CD playing device (except maybe a magnifying glass and a fishing hook). If you intend to play CD-Rs in a portable player test before you buy. The End Please e-mail me directly if you have discussion of a non-Exotica nature. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: mono & stereo Date: 15 Nov 1999 20:53:40 EST In a message dated 11/15/99 3:11:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, rotohut@ic.net writes: << Listening to _Bachelor Pad Royale_ again, it wasn't particularly obvious. But the place where it really bugged me was on _Mambo Fever_. Tracks 4, 6, 8, 11, 13 and 16 have this unnatural "congested" sound--it's hard to find the right word to describe it--but it sounds like the musicians are trapped inside a box. I suppose part of the problem was working with lower-fi originals there. >> great! now i have a new project. i am going to go back and listen to these. on a similar note (???) i have noticed a "poor" sounding quality to The Fantastic Plastic Machines' Luxury CD. Sure there are places where it sounds like he added pops and clicks from a vinyl record but other parts sound very dull. am i the only on who has noticed this? tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: mono & stereo Date: 15 Nov 1999 20:56:31 EST In a message dated 11/15/99 3:11:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, rotohut@ic.net writes: << Listening to _Bachelor Pad Royale_ again, it wasn't particularly obvious. >> i have the John Buzon Trio ablum Inferno! that has the Caravan cut off of BPR and the Mr. Ghost Goes to Town off of Organs in Orbit. Was Inferno! released in stereo also? Isn't the Mambo Rock cut off of Inferno! on some CD comp? Was it cleaned up nicely or poorly? Has anybody put Inferno! on CD? TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Francoise Hardy!! Date: 15 Nov 1999 21:52:29 -0500 Thanks for the posts. Using King Kini's link, I see that this album, "Francoise..." on Four Corners Of The World/Kapp corresponds to the original Vogue release, "L'amitie" (1965). Different covers (the Vogue cover looks much nicer) and a couple of tracks are different, but mostly they are the same album. frame-busting link: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/geroki/fhf069.htm From what has been said, this must be one of her more rocking albums. There are a couple of tracks that lean towards the folky, but overall, it sounds very mid-60s pop to me. Some songs with an American girl group feel. Several songs remind me of the Rolling Stones in their mid-tempo or ballad mode of the time... that "As Tears Go By" feel (so maybe I mean Marianne Faithfull). Fuzz guitar on one or two tracks. One actually puts me in mind of Nico with the VU, but that might just be me. Nice. Thanks again. m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) Ye-Ye website Date: 15 Nov 1999 22:01:06 -0500 Here's a (at first glance) nice Ye-Ye Girls website: http://members.tripod.com/ye_ye_girls/ m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Gerwitz Subject: (exotica) Francoise Hardy in a Black Leather Jacket Date: 15 Nov 1999 18:58:41 -0800 I have a few compilation CD's of her early stuff, and IMO she's got a very sweet voice - i'd also describe her as folky soft pop, lots of lilting ballads with acoustic guitar, and some mid-tempo songs with backing like Ricky Nelson's band. Think of that nice first Marianne Faithfull LP in French. The word melancholy was used on the website posted, and that fits her. She doesn't rock out like France Gall or BB, or go the heavy breathing route like Jane Birkin - but like Gomez Addams, I get turned on when a girl sings in french. There are lots of FH compilations, but a recent double CD set on BMG has 36 hits and an incredibly gorgeous cover photo of her in a motorcycle jacket which i would love to have as a poster. If i didn't have a lot of the songs already i'd use a $10 CDnow coupon and get it. You can see a small scan of the cover at CDNow. JB LeNoir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Elisabeth Vincentelli" Subject: (exotica) More Francoise Hardy Date: 15 Nov 1999 23:14:59 -0500 Oh but we do have some French list members, Mo: I'm French, even though I live in New York! I beg to differ with Mo's assessment of Francoise Hardy. True, there was nothing "weird" about her, but she really encapsulated the French 60s to me. I mean, France Gall was fun, but Francoise Hardy was truly great. First of all, she was an anomaly in that she wrote a lot of her own material, rare for girl singers at the time. Second, she had an ineffable melancholy which she somehow transmogrified into catchy songs. I really like her "blank" voice--she said once that she sang softly because she considered her voice to be just an instrument among others. She worked with many of the best arrangers of the time. Her career sucked in the late 70s/80s, but Le Danger, her come-back album from 2 years ago, is quite good. She was married to singer/actor Jacques Dutronc for many many years, and appeared in a few movies herself. Probably the easiest to find on tape is John Frankenheimer's Grand Prix. I hear the 1962-67 box set is out of print, which is a shame since it really is wonderful. Frog-ly yours, Elisabeth # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Hinrichs" Subject: (exotica) Re: Francoise Hardy?? Date: 15 Nov 1999 22:36:03 -0700 What a coincidence ... I wrote a little thingie on Francoise Hardy on my monthly music web page, IN MY ROOM. There's also a little scan of one of her 60s American LPs, "Francoise" on the page -- http://www.psn.net/~blue/room.html Oh, I would also recommend the book "Unknown Legends of Rock 'n Roll" by Richie Unterberger, which has a chapter on Francoise and what she's been doing since the 60s. Enjoy! - Matt Matt Hinrichs blue@psn.net In My Room - Fabulous Sounds, Updated Monthly http://www.psn.net/~blue/room.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) Françoise Hardy Date: 16 Nov 1999 11:26:41 +0100 Elisabeth Vincentelli wrote: > Oh but we do have some French list members, Mo: I'm French, even though= I > live in New York! Aah, that's great to hear. Your name didn't really suggest it... Now this= list feels sort of complete. Well, almost, there should be someone from Japan.= .. > I beg to differ with Mo's assessment of Francoise Hardy. she had an > ineffable melancholy which she somehow transmogrified into catchy songs= . I > really like her "blank"voice--she said once that she sang softly becaus= e she > considered her voice > to be just an instrument among others. That's true. She anticipated Nico in a way. She was important as a figure= on the chanson scene at that time, I think. Only when I listen to her songs today, they don't sound that catchy, may be too folky. But folk was very = hip at that time. Of course I miss out most of the French lyrics, plus I definit= ely don't know all of Fran=E7oise's oevre. To compare her to France Gall can only lead to statements of differences = of musical styles in general. I don't think the two girls were acting on the= same stage. It's a whole different story. It's really like comparing Nico to Annette. I have this album here called simply "Fran=E7oise Hardy", "accompagn=E9e = par Marcel Hendrix et son orchestre" on disques vogue (no date). Now listening to it again, I like it better than I used to. It really has this existentialist= ic charme of "emotional absence", can't find a better way to describe it. One photo of the album shows her with an acoustic guitar standing next to= a piano, played by another girl with sunglasses: "accompagn=E9e par sa s=9C= ur au piano Fran=E7oise compose..." nice. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: (exotica) That early? Date: 16 Nov 1999 11:28:58 +0100 More: Lornell, Kip (1993) Introducing American Folk Music. Madison, Wisc.: Brown & Benchmark, S. 165. This style [slack-key guitar] became influential on the mainland, when a fad for Hawaiian music began in 1915. George E. K. Awai's Royal Hawaiian Quartet, along with other local musicians and dancers, evoked a sensational response at the Panama-Pacific International Exposition in San Francisco. Almost immediately the Victor company moved to exploit the Situation. Their November 1915 catalogue states: ,Victor recently announccd a fine list of favorite Havaiian numbers, rendered by the now famous Hawaiian Quintette, who have made such a success in the ,Bird of Paradise' Company; the gifted Toots Paka Troupe, and the Irene West Royal Hawaiians, who have appeared in vaudeville. Although these fine records were intended mainly for customers in the Hawaiian Islands, they have been largely acquired by those Victor customers who like quaint and fascinating music such as this." The shock waves hit Tin Pan Alley with great force, and songwriters began churning out pseudo-Hawaiian songs for a mass market. As other Havaiian musicians toured the United States, they brought along other songs, but they also performed the Tin Pan Alley material that their audiences requested. Hulas became caught in this craze, too. Vaudeville stages and circus shows were considered incomplete if they didn't include a ,,cootch" dancer, who was almost never Hawaiian but generally quite provocative. By the 1920s, many American musicians were singing songs im English with Hawaiian themes, called ,,hapa haloe." This craze culminated in 1937 when the hapa haloe ,,Sweet Leilani" garnered an Oscar for best song. Anglo- and African American folk musicians heard this music and embraced the basic concept of playing an open-tuned guitar with a slide. Some black musicians were already using a similar style, but the Hawaiian fad served to reinforce its popularity. The slurring of the slide upon the strings mirrored the ability of harmonica players to move between the whole and half steps of Western scales. Many of the hillbiliy musicians who pioneered the recording of country music were familiar with this style, too. A few musicians, such as the Dixon Brothers, enjoyed extensive recording careers using Hawaiian-style accompaniment. Jimmie Rodgers made several successful records in 1930 using Lani McIntire's Hawaiians to back up his patented blue yodeling ind singing. Even Maybelle Carter used the slide technique on a 1929 session, though her influence probably came more directly from African American musicians. Certainly the pedal steel guitar, which developed in the late 1930s and flourished in country music during the 1940s, owes a great deal to the slackey and Hawaiian fad. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nicola Battista Subject: Re: (exotica) Francoise Hardy in a Black Leather Jacket Date: 16 Nov 1999 11:52:51 +0100 I had written once a review of a Malcolm McLaren cd called Paris, incorporating collaborations with various french singers including Francoise Hardy. You can fin it at http://www.all-reviews.com/music/paris.htm ...er... but dont ask me why those idiots who run the site put a Prodigy pic to that!!!! I've told them!!! They keep putting wring links and typos here and there... errr... heheh :) bye, Nicola (Dj Batman) Battista ** Radio Olografix ** ** Una voce aliena nella tua casa ** ** ---> radio.olografix.org <--- ** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) Francoise Hardy!! Date: 16 Nov 1999 13:19:33 +0100 kingkini@tamboo.com wrote: > >m.ace wrote: > > > > > In amongst the debates on hardware and debates on debating > >hardware, I'm still hoping for some enlightenment on Francoise > >Hardy. Anyone? Pretty please? > > this is about the best i've ever been able to find on her: > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/geroki/fhd000.htm > But that's a great homepage! Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Hipwell Subject: Re: (exotica) "Snuff" Garrett Date: 16 Nov 1999 13:18:48 GMT > From: "Ross 'Mambo Frenzy' Orr" > > Not only was "Snuff" Garrett the brains behind Bacharach Baroque and > the Lonely Harpsichord in Shangri-La records, [and a lot of other things...] > Anyway, now I've made a firm vow to buy any other record I came > across with his name on them. And this week I brought home another, > _Spanish Rhapsodies for Young Lovers_ (Viva Records), by "The > Midnight String Quartet with Harpsichord, Piano and Rhythm." > > Not quite at the same level as Bacharach Baroque, but a winner > nonetheless--I'd describe it as EZ/Baroque elevator music. The Jobim > tune "Meditation" is particularly swanky on the harpsichord--the > classical and the Bossa rubbing shoulders seductively. > > So folks flip through your records--and let me know if there are any > other Garrett-produced winners out there I need to look out for. . . > I picked up one the other week, simply called "The Burbank Philharmonic". It consists of "Dixie" versions of pop tunes such as "These Boots Are Made For Walking" and "Spinning Wheel", but the "Dixie" is nicely mutated, including the odd electronic organ sound and a mighty contrabass saxophone (truly great as the lead in for "Boots"). Really funny stuff. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) [obits] Robert Kramer,Donald Mills,Alberto Bolet,Jack Hooke,R.J. Vealey Date: 16 Nov 1999 10:04:39 -0500 The Associated Press Saturday, Nov. 13, 1999; 8:37 p.m. EST Robert Kramer PARIS (AP) – Robert Kramer, an American movie director who devoted his career to capturing dissident movements from Vietnam war protesters to Latin American guerrillas, died Wednesday from meningitis. He was 60. Kramer traveled the globe in his quest to capture on screen dissident movements and the questions they raised, filming in Asia, Europe and Latin America. His works also explored the frontiers of social change. With varying success, Kramer made more than two dozen films and numerous smaller documentaries and television pieces. Two of his best known works, "Doc's Kingdom" (1987) and "Route One USA" (1989), were reflections on the exile that he became. While his work was generally acclaimed in Europe as a major example of political cinema, with some movies shown at film festivals in France, including Cannes, he never penetrated the American movie industry's mainstream. Sunday, Nov. 14, 1999; 9:02 p.m. EST LOS ANGELES –– Donald Mills, the last surviving member of the Mills Brothers singers who broke racial barriers in radio, society and the movies, died Saturday of complications from pneumonia. He was 84. Mills had performed for seven decades and last year accepted the Grammy Award for Lifetime Achievement for the singing group. The Mills Brothers started performing in 1922 in Piqua, Ohio, when Donald Mills was 7. The group scored its first hit a few years later with "Tiger Rag." In all, the Mills Brothers sold an estimated 50 million records and even performed for the British royal family during an overseas tour in the 1930s, said Daniel R. Clemson, president of The Mills Brothers Society and a biographer. "Tiger Rag" sold 1 million copies and led to a contract with CBS that made the Mills Brothers the first black artists to have a commercially sponsored national radio show, Clemson said. Their songs included "You Always Hurt the One You Love," "Glow Worm," "Yellow Bird" and "Paper Doll." The group, with brothers Donald, Herbert, Harry and John, was known for its tight harmony and uncanny ability to imitate instruments. John died in 1936. When Harry and Herbert decided to retire in 1982, Donald Mills recruited the youngest of his six children, also named John, and they sang as John and Donald Mills of the Mills Brothers. The Associated Press Monday, Nov. 15, 1999; 6:44 a.m. EST TEANECK, New Jersey –– Alberto Bolet, the Havana-born conductor who led orchestras on three continents and spread Cuban rhythms throughout the world, died Wednesday. He was 94. Bolet was the conductor of the Havana Philharmonic in 1959 when he learned that communist leader Fidel Castro had targeted him for arrest. Bolet received safe passage to England only by convincing the British Broadcasting Corp. to offer him a contract. He went on to lead the symphonies in Dallas, Sydney and Bilbao. Upon his return to Cuba in 1936, Bolet founded the island's first classical music radio station and the group Trio de La Habana. He conducted the Havana Philharmonic for nine years before Castro blacklisted him. Bolet wrote two books, "History of Chamber Music" and "How to Play the Castanets." Jack Hooke NEW YORK (AP) – Jack Hooke, an entertainment manager who handled jazz, rock and Latin music stars for more than half a century, died Saturday. He was 83. Hooke, most recently with RMM Records in Manhattan, originally bought Royal Roost Records with a partner. His first label handled Stan Getz, Dizzy Gillespie and Charlie Parker, and Hooke himself spent time traveling to promote artists. He later went on to manage disc jockey Alan Freed, whom he met on a visit to WJW in Cleveland. In the 1960s and 1970s, Hooke worked with Dick Clark Productions and performers such as the Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, the Jackson Five and Diana Ross. The 1980s brought salsa to the city, and Hooke helped organize regular shows in Greenwich Village. R.J. Vealey ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) – R.J. Vealey, drummer for Atlanta Rhythm Section, collapsed and died Saturday from a heart attack shortly after a performance. He was 37. Vealey studied music at West Virginia University and Ohio State University. He received a fine arts scholarship at West Virginia, where he was a featured soloist in the West Virginia University Jazz Ensemble. Vealey performed at the 1984 Presidential Inaugural Ball in Washington, toured Japan with "Percussion 80" and won the outstanding soloist award at Ohio State University. After college, Vealey toured with the techno-dance band Fashion Reaction. He also recorded with artists including Section Eight, Zaccaria, Tone Poets and Stonefish. Vealey joined the Atlanta Rhythm Section in 1995. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sandberg Magnus" Subject: (exotica) Mercury Date: 16 Nov 1999 16:30:05 +0100 What a nice label! Always superior sound and well designed covers. Today I found two thrilling LPs on this very label "Quincy jones explores the music of Henry Mancini" And=20 Big Jim Sullivan "Sitar Beat". (Never thought I'd find that one). A = quick search on the internet and i find his own webpage, so i sent a = thank you mail to him. 32 years too late.=20 http://www.big-jim.demon.co.uk/ Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rajnai, Charles, NPG" Subject: (exotica) Mercury logo Date: 16 Nov 1999 11:56:33 -0500 > > What a nice label! Always superior sound and well designed covers. > Kind of a tangent, but pardon my poor eyesight or density of cranium. Somebody tell me what the hell is that thing on the mercury trademark supposed to be. It looks to me like a toy spinning top in a deep shadow, but I don't know what it is and its driving me nuts. I have peered at it from several decades worth od albums and CDs and still dont get it. Charlieman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kingkini@tamboo.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Mercury logo Date: 16 Nov 1999 11:08:47 -0600 >Kind of a tangent, but pardon my poor eyesight or density of cranium. >Somebody tell me what the hell is that thing on the mercury trademark >supposed to be. It looks to me like a toy spinning top in a deep shadow, >but I don't know what it is and its driving me nuts. I have peered at it >from several decades worth od albums and CDs and still dont get it. it's Mercury himself! visit... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ King Kini's C L U B V E L V E T http://www.tamboo.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rajnai, Charles, NPG" Subject: RE: (exotica) Mercury logo Date: 16 Nov 1999 12:22:00 -0500 > > >Kind of a tangent, but pardon my poor eyesight or density of cranium. > >Somebody tell me what the hell is that thing on the mercury trademark > >supposed to be. It looks to me like a toy spinning top in a > deep shadow, > >but I don't know what it is and its driving me nuts. I have > peered at it > >from several decades worth od albums and CDs and still dont get it. > > > it's Mercury himself! You mean to tell me that its supposed to look like the ancient god of lightning fast communication? Like just his head? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sandberg Magnus" Subject: SV: (exotica) Mercury logo Date: 16 Nov 1999 18:38:21 +0100 >>Somebody tell me what the hell is that thing on the mercury trademark >>supposed to be.=20 >it's Mercury himself! I thought it was horse heads.=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arjan Plug" Subject: Re: (exotica) Across 110th Street Date: 16 Nov 1999 18:51:54 +0100 charles_moseley@mckinsey.com : >Talking of blaxploitation, the Gordon's War bootleg is still around with >Hot Wheels (The Chase) on it - Now there is a tune worth owning! Agreed, a bona fide monster! It can also be found on the recent (DJ Pogo presents) Block Party Breaks compilation on Strut records. Arjan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kingkini@tamboo.com Subject: RE: (exotica) Mercury logo Date: 16 Nov 1999 11:59:25 -0600 > > it's Mercury himself! > > >You mean to tell me that its supposed to look like the ancient god of >lightning fast communication? Like just his head? that's what i mean to tell ya! visit... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ King Kini's C L U B V E L V E T http://www.tamboo.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nat Kone Subject: (exotica) Popp goes? Date: 16 Nov 1999 13:11:53 -0500 I just bought "La Musique qui fait Popp", hightlights from the works of Andre Popp 1952-1962. I bought it because I almost never see - or buy - the kind of CD's that people here talk about. And because Mo pointed out an Andre Popp LP to me when he was here and because I was trading in exotica/lounge so why not give Popp a chance? I'm not sure what I think of it yet. I didn't know it was "recreated" when I bought it but I do have one of those BeauHunk/Raymond Scott CD's so it's not like I insist on the original versions. Actually this reminds me a fair bit of that Beau Hunks thing. It's a little dry, a little clever, even a little academic. It's the kind of thing I can enjoy in the right mood but immediately afterwards have to purge with something more silly or juicy or emotional or over-the-top. Like this Gus Bivona big band thingy I'm listening to right now. Or David Carroll. Still, I may keep it in tribute to Mo's taste. But maybe he hates it. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nat Kone Subject: (exotica) related CD's Date: 16 Nov 1999 13:39:31 -0500 The other day I was trying to explain/rationalize my easy listening tastes to someone who has never really gone there and I was trying to think of "contemporary" CD's that related. I'd actually just bought two that, I thought, did. One by "Brokeback", a Tortoise-related thing I quite like. And another by The Rachel's called "Selenography" which is mostly instrumental and not too much like the Rachel's stuff I've heard in the past... and which I think someone on this list would like. And I thought of that Goldie thing I heard on the radio which reminded me of Bacharach (sung by Herb Alpert) a lot. So here's the question. It seems to me that there's a LOT of contemporary music which is very related to lounge/exotica/easy listening/soundtracks etc. Is it just that I'm more aware of it now? Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) Popp goes? Date: 16 Nov 1999 20:03:45 +0100 Nat Kone wrote: > I just bought "La Musique qui fait Popp", hightlights from the works of > Andre Popp 1952-1962. Aah, damn, Nat, you bought the wrong CD. We had this discussed a long while ago here on the list. This one's not even by Popp himself; it's done in purpose to confuse. Your comments hit the point about it. The right CD would be "Delirium in Hifi", which is a real reissue, unfortunately with a different cover though, but the music is original. It's the real thing: "La Java des Bombes Atomiques" (appears on music qui fait Popp as well, but wrong version) and "La Java Martienne" are the two single pieces that have all the magic only Popp was able to create. If you can, swap your CD for the other one! Mo P.S.: BTW: Of all the records you recommended to me, I really like the "Brass Ring". Played "The Dis-Advantages Of You" the other night in a club with big succes. PPS: Got a copy of your film running on a video player now. Anything new from the distribution front? You totally exited our mail exchange about it... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Albert Fish" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: mono & stereo/ J. Boyer Date: 16 Nov 1999 11:50:13 PST But could you EVER buy a Bob Thompson or Esquivel lp in mono? What's the point, (unless you get the mono until you can find the stereo version). I have D, Schorry's Bang, Barroom and Harp in mono, I assume I'm missing something~~ Any comments? Lastly, is anyone familiar with Jacqueline Boyer? I have an lp of hers, sung in french, and it's great!! Anyone know anything about her?? Thanks for the Spanks Herr Fish ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Br. Cleve" Subject: Re: (exotica) Popp goes? Date: 16 Nov 1999 14:56:40 -0500 At 1:11 PM -0500 11/16/99, Nat Kone wrote: >I just bought "La Musique qui fait Popp", hightlights from the works of >Andre Popp 1952-1962. >I'm not sure what I think of it yet. I didn't know it was "recreated" when >I bought it but I do have one of those BeauHunk/Raymond Scott CD's so it's >not like I insist on the original versions. They did a great job, but there's no substituting the original. Check out the incredibly amazing "Delirium In Hi-Fi" as well as the excellent "Holiday For DJ's", CD reissues of original French Popp LP's, both available on the Basta label. And keep an eye peeled for his late 60's/early 70's LP's "My Movie Dreams" and "Why say Goodbye" (which contains his original version of 'Love Is Blue') br cleve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arjan Plug" Subject: Re: (exotica) Dutch radiobroadcast about Exotica Date: 16 Nov 1999 22:13:04 +0100 >Just noticed (really) that In an hour time, one of the Dutch national radio >stations has a 4 hr special about Exotica music. Live from KCCN Honolulu. >Interviews with Arthur Lyman and Martin Denny amongst others. >As far as I can gather there is live audio stream. Hopefully the ones below >work... So did anyone listen to it stateside at work or whatever? It was an entertaining four hour special anyway, chocfull with Hawaiian sounds. Lengthy remeniscings from Denny and Lyman about the old days and the rise and fall of exotica, shorter interviews with Myrtle K. Hilo, Kid of Don Tiki and Nancy Gustafson of Hawaiian based label. Last hour was about the current status of Waikiki entertainment (= not good). Denny mentioned that the soundtrack of the upcoming "Breakfast of Champions" moviesoundtrack (on Capitol) would contain 16 Denny tracks. Is this out yet? I taped the whole program so if somebody is in serious need of a dub drop me a line off list. Arjan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arjan Plug" Subject: (exotica) Unknown Legends of Rock 'n Roll Date: 16 Nov 1999 22:29:58 +0100 Matt >Oh, I would also recommend the book "Unknown Legends of Rock 'n Roll" by >Richie Unterberger, which has a chapter on Francoise and what she's been >doing since the 60s. Enjoy! Recommended too, best music browse book I read in ages It's published by Miller Freeman Books. 400+ pages and includes a CD with 12 tracks. the blurb: "For every Beatles or Stones, there are hundreds of visionary rock groups who remain unsung heroes. From cult figures such as Pink Floyd's Syd Barrett (the most famous musician included here) to virtually undiscovered artists, this behind-the-scenes- book with CD of 12 rare songs celebrates some of the best rockers in everything from '50s rockabilly to '90s post-punk - unknown greats who, for one reason or another, just never made it." There are close to sixty artists featured (and recently interviewed) in a number of sections: Overlooked Originators (Collins Kids, Wanda Jackson, Ronnie Dawson) Lost British Invaders (Graham Bond, Creation, John's Children) Out of the Garage (Chocolate Watch Band, Music Machine, Mystic Tide, Remains, The Rising Storm) Psychedelic Unknowns (Blossom Toes, Deviants, Great Society, Misunderstood) Mad Geniuses & eccentric recluses (Barret, Drake, Roky, Hazlewood, Love, Meek, Scott Walker, Skip Spence) From the Continent (Can, Francoise Hardy, Outsiders, Plastic People of the Universe, Savage Rose) Folk Music; Rock Attitude (Sandy Denny, Davey Graham, The Holy Modal Rounders) Comic Relief (Rutles, Screaming Lord Sutch, Swamp Dogg) Punk Pioneers (Avengers/Penelope Houston, Crass, Dils, Raincoats, Rocket from the Crypt, X-ray Spex) post-Punk Hybrids (Aisha Kandisha's Jarring Effects, F.S.K. , Savage Republic) Lo-fi Mavericks (Martin Newell, Flying Nun Records, Chris Knox/Tall Dwarfs) One Shot Was All They Got (Bluethings, Free Spirits, Hampton Grease Band, Judy Henske & Jerry Yester, Monks, Rising Sons, Tomorrrow, United States of America, Young Marble Giants) Rock Enigmas (Kevin Coyne, Merrell Frankhauser, Red Krayola, Doris Troy, Robert Wyatt) Arjan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Unknown Legends of Rock 'n Roll Date: 16 Nov 1999 16:49:15 -0500 Sequel in the works. LT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Risser Subject: (exotica) Records Date: 16 Nov 1999 13:56:44 -0800 (PST) So, I'm in Cleveland and I decide, in the one hour I have laying over there, I'm gonna high-tail it to Records. I get the phone book and look under "Compact Discs" cuz that's where all audio media is listed these days and there it is: RECORDS 6718 Lorain Ave 337-7459 That's it, just Records. I call the number to see when they are open. "RECORDS." I can't get over how cool that is. Just Records. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyway, his is open from 10 to 3. Good, it's 10:15, I got time. I head over there and when I arrive, my wife says, quite appropriately "Good Lord. You're like a kid in a candy store." Ladies and Gentlemen, there were indeed records. Thousands and thousands of records. And (thank god!) they were actually in some sort of alphabetical/subject matter order! I moved as fast as possible, pulling whatever I could get my hands on; everwhere I turned I found ten albums I wanted, needed, had to have. And the bonus: They were all a dollar. He has a sign above the door. Take as many as you want, there will always be more. It's like heaven. So, I managed to snag 45 records in 45 minutes for 45 dollars, all in reasonable condition, a few mint. Here's a list. Yes, it's a brag list, but I gotta share it with someone who cares, plus I'm looking for comments on some of the artists: Marty Gold - Organized for Hi-Fi (three organs, perc. and bass) Werner Muller - Latin Splendor Werner Muller - Percussion in the Sky (what's up with him? His Hawaiian album kicks ass. What about the rest?) Dick Hyman - Electrodynamics (Two copies, by accident, replacing the one I have that has high-pit distortion from a worn needle) Dick Hyman - Provocative Piano (vol 1) Dick Hyman and Trio Hugo Montenegro - Montenegro's Magic (I believe this is primarily orchestral stuff, I dunno.) Hugo Montenegro - The Good the Bad and the Ugly Hugo Montenegro - People: One to One Hugo Montenegro - Colours of Love Manny Albam - Double Exposure (Stereo Action) Leo Addeo - Paradise Regained (Stereo Action) Leo Addeo - The Music Goes Round and Round (Stereo Action) Xavier Cugat - Best of Edmundo Ros - Arriba Edmundo Ros - Rhythms of the South Edmundo Ros - Dance Again Nelson Riddle - Witchcraft Nelson Riddle - Wives and Lovers Richard Hayman - Cinemagic Sounds (A glorious cover, but on closer inspection, looks like a weak track selection) Enoch Light - My Musical Coloring Book Enoch Light - Brass Menagerie (vol 1) Enoch Light - Let's Dance Bossa Nova Command Records - Bongos, Bongos, Bongos Command Records - Bongos, Flutes, Guitars Command Records - Persuasive Percussion 3 & 4 Command Records - Provocative Percussion 1 - 3 Buddy Morrow - Night Train Robert Maxwell - Anytime! Richard Marino - Magic Beat Charles Magnante - Roman Accordion Dick Schory - Supercussion Dick Schory - Wild Percussion and Horns A'Plenty Neil Hefti Quintet - Light and Right Leroy Holmes - Once Upon a Time in the West Leroy Holmes - Everybody's Talkin' Jimmy McGriff - Big Band Jimmy McGriff - Bag Full of Soul (on the Solid State label. A Command knock-off?) Two Organs and Percussion Sir Julian - The 13 Fingers of Sir Julian Music to Read James Bond By (This is mono. Is there a stereo version?) Ferrante & Teicher - Latin Pianos Dimensions in Dynagroove (A sampler. I like the Dynagroove covers, and this one is VERY nice.) No Esquivel, no Terry Snyder. As you can see, I hit the "big names" and got a lot of Command stuff (because it's easy to find). If I had more time, who knows what I could have uncovered! And this was only one store! And only the stuff he had filed already! Ah, paradise. Peter ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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