From: Michael Jemmeson Subject: (exotica) new Bollywood Funk comp Date: 01 Aug 2000 11:51:51 +0100 VARIOUS: Bollywood Funk (Outcaste) 2xLP: (CASTE 8LP) [13.25] unmixed CD: (CASTE 8CD) [13.99] I might have missed this in amongst all the napster discussion, so... has this been mentioned before? http://www.outcaste.com/releases/bollywood/index.htm has more details... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LTepedino@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) More Napster Date: 01 Aug 2000 08:52:09 EDT In a message dated 7/31/00 11:01:32 PM EST, risser@cinci.rr.com writes: << I for one am interested in seeing the monopolistic music industry seriously damaged. Perhaps then, artists will actually make money from music sales and not have to rely on T-Shirt and concert sales. >> Hey Peter, In the first place the record industry is not a monopoly. A monopoly is the exclusive control of of a business. There are several major labels and hundreds of independent labels, not to mention those musicians who chose to record and release music themselves. Secondly, bands/performers license the rights to themselves to t-shirt and poster companies making a lisencing fee and a royalty per unit. So payment is made to artists in the same way as by record companies. Thirdly, it is a promoter who puts on a concert and in turn pays the artist a gaurrantee and if there is a profit, a percentage of ticket sales. Agsin the method of payment to the artist is ismialr to that of a record company. You make out record companies to be the big villian in all this. If it wasn't for record companies Mr. Risser, there wouldn't be the music you'd be talking about on this list. And if it wasn't for record companies there wouldn't be the catalog of songs to download from Napster. So before you make, to use your words from an earlier e-mail to me, "truly inane, totally outrageous,hyperbolic and utterly illogical responses" please get your facts straight. Ashley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mkg@calle22.com Subject: (exotica) Napster (another view) Date: 01 Aug 2000 06:30:03 -0700 I don't know if this topic is thoroughly exhausted but I feel like saying something that hasn't been mentioned before. Thta is that Napster allows global access to music. And global doesn't just mean Europe and the US (which is where the whole discussion has been centered in this list). A little bit of my personal experience: I am living in London now (until september) but before this year I lived in Bogota (that is the capital of Colombia in South America). And I can see very well the advantages of Napster when I return there. In fact a fast internet account is the second thing I'm going to get when I go back (the first one being a job, of course). I don't know if any of you have been to record stores in third world countries but the variety that most people in Europe or the US take for granted is not a fact there. So if you are into different kinds of music, there simply is no way you can get it locally. You can order it from the internet but then you have to pray that the local post office agent doesn't find the covers of your CDs interesting and then decides to steal your whole package (it has been known to happen). And then there is the issue of the prices. If you think prices are high in the UK (and they are) you should see the prices in Colombia. Nowadays a Cd goes around for £20 (30 U$) and that happens in a country where the minimum wage is less than 200 U$ a month. So piracy is rampant. How can you expect it not to be? If people like music and want a cassette or a CD they are not going to pay such ludicrously high prices in a store when they can buy a pirate copy in the street for 1/4th or 1/5th of the price. There should be some kind of global scale for music prices. Do something like what Coca Cola does, accomodate the price of its product to the real economic possibilities of the local people. But of course, that doesn't happen. So going back to Ashley's sarcasm against bumpy: It IS a FACT that if you lived in Colombia (or in any third world country) and wanted to buy as much music as you buy with your usual first world wages, you WOULD have to have 3 or 4 jobs. Or pirate music from the internet. I really think that it is easy to overlook the economic differences between countries and think that if all your life you've had cool record stores a couple of blocks away that is the same case with everybody else. And that is not the case. The world is a very big place. And I think that your geographical location shouldn't interfere with the pleasure you get from listening to the kind of music you like. And that is why I think Napster is great. Having said that, now that I am in London I buy all the music I can. Legally, no bootlegs. And have no Napster. But that is going to change in Bogota. Or I will become very depressed. Hope this helped in the discussion, Cheers, Manuel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Albert Fish" Subject: (exotica) It's Vegas, baby! Date: 01 Aug 2000 13:32:54 GMT Hello, I'm looking for groovy places to hang in Vegas. Good music and cocktails, preferably within a cab ride from the strip. Thanks for your advice A. Fish ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica) More Napster Date: 01 Aug 2000 08:18:42 -0700 (PDT) >It may only be a matter of time until music industry is seriously more people will choose to do that. About this: Someone told me about a college book store that stopped selling CD's because the students stopped buying. Doin' the MP3 thing. These stores are typically more expensive anyways so who knows. P.S. You Can Get Free Email & Homepages @ http://www.buzzlink.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Indulis R Rutks Subject: (exotica) Cape Town Date: 01 Aug 2000 11:27:40 -0500 (CDT) Though I've made this sort of query before, with no results, I thought I'd try it again... I'll be travelling to Cape Town, SOuth Africa in October. Anyone know of any record/CD shops or bars/clubs to visit? Oh, and how about Amsterdam? I'll have a couple of 8-hour layovers there during this same trip. Dankie! -Indy Rutks (rutks002@tc.umn.edu) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: (exotica) Kahiki Trip! Date: 01 Aug 2000 12:30:15 -0400 Okay, it's been a little over a week since my girlfriend and I drove out = to Columbus to visit the Kahiki ("You're driving all the way out there to = eat??" I've heard that over and over again!!!). We left Thursday, July = 20th and ambled out west taking our time, picnicing and flea marketing = along the way and back - arriving back home in Baltimore on Saturday night = at 11pm. Anyway, it was worth the drive, but I should warn anyone visiting for the = first time that the Kahiki is located in a dirty, ugly, depressing, = "down-trodden" part of town that had it's "hey day" long, long ago and is = now slipping into poverty, vacant lots, etc. I can understand why the = Kahiki is glad to get out - and I have absolutely nothing but compassion = for the decision to close and move elsewhere!! I know the Kahiki owners = were celebrating that someone actually wanted to open a business on the = property. There has also been a list of recommended vintage motels in Columbus near = the Kahiki; now I'm no prude, but after spotting the recommended motels, = all I could think was "No Way!" We ended up staying at the pricier place = right at the intersection of Broad St. and (fogot the other street) - that = was like $85 a night!! (We actually got a discount, the true rate is = around $120 or something.....). =20 Anyway, horrible location aside (oh, and be prepared that ALL of the = exit/on ramps to I-70 are currently under construction and CLOSED making = for a few loops and turns to take detours onto 70, hopefully that'll be = cleared up by the time the "big event" hits.....?), the restaurant was = fantastic and certainly stands out as a towering icon to a long-forgotten = era of polynesian silliness (and I mean that in an endearing way of = course!!). When we first saw it, a collective "Whoa!" issued from the = Green Tracker with Maryland tags. The food was very good, which I wasn't expecting after hearing from lots = of people that it was just "ok." Talking with some of the locals at the = bar, they concurred that the food had gotten a lot better over the past = few months. The drinks were also decent, and two zombies, a fog-cutter = and snips from my girlfriends headhunter made for "happy!happy!" in the = 'ol cranium. You do get to keep the mugs when you order drinks - either = the skull mug for the zombie or the "brown face tiki" for the headhunter. = Beware, the mugs used at the dinner table (speaking of the headhunter mug) = are brown and "gloppy" looking compared to the slick versions sitting = behind the bar. We traded our "Mr. Glop" for a sleek one at the bar after = dinner. I can't comment on the skull mugs as there weren't any for sale = and I didn't notice any different ones at the bar. These weren't too bad = though - but still not as well defined as older Kahiki Zombie mugs. =20 I had shrimp with spinach and rice and my girlfriend had the ribs - a BIG = rack of ribs. They both were good.=20 I was the shameless tourist, slapping down large bills as I scooped up = little Kahiki tiki necklaces (everything is waaaaay overpriced so be = forewarned to bring lots of $$$$$$), a cheesy ceramic "tiki bowl" with a = badly represented hula gal on the front, a hand-towel with sown in tiki = face, a 5min. video about the Kahiki, post cards, and little pokers/swizzle= sticks with a tiki head on the end and the Kahiki name along the stick. = And two menus, one for drinks and the dinner menu. For some reason, the cubbards were bare in the gift shop that night. = There were NO headhunter or zombie mugs to buy, only a few of the bowls; = no ceramic salt 'n peppers, no votive candle "lamps" (I guess like the = ones on the tables - with very *rough* "made at home" looking cut-out = pieces supposed to resemble a face but it's mostly just a design). They = had tacky t-shirts with an admittedly cool Kahiki logo w/a graphic of the = restaurant on the front breast but a stupid "I Got Lei'd" wording on the = back framed by a flowered lei. There weren't any dips or food items on = sale from the Kahiki Foods line which I also thought was weird. A nice Ohio couple at the bar who know Otto and Bosko mentioned that the = gift shop can be weird. They seem to just go "to the storeroom" and pull = out armfulls of whatever happens to be in sight when the shelves get = empty. Maybe they'll stock up for the party, but you'd think they'd have = more to offer since being so busy - unless, of course they're simply = running out of things to sell. The place is hard to describe - let's just say that it would be everything = you would think it to be.....and then some. I hate to ruin the surprise, = but go into the men's room and you get to wash your hands under giant = stone tiki faces that spit the Hot/Cold water outta their mouths into = giant clam shells!!!! Whoa! Tikis galore in every shape and size, = painted brightly or lurking quietly in the corners or in the rafters - = full-sized huts housing two eating areas, another hut housing the bar (big = HUTS, with THATCHED ROOFS!), a "rainforest" area along one wall with = thunder sounds piped in and periodic rainstorms cascading down from = sprinklers above, the other wall houses huge fish tanks lined up end-to-end= , a downstairs "party" area decked out to look like a cave (the walls are = all done in black lava rock) with a bamboo bar and tiki totems supporting = the bar shelves, in a word - WHOA! It was fun, and I wished we could've gone back for brunch but they only = open for dinner on Saturdays. :-( (And they wouldn't let us spend the = night!) - Nate =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: (exotica) Siesta Date: 01 Aug 2000 09:39:12 -0700 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of mkg@calle22.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:30 AM > I don't know if any of you have been to record stores in third > world countries but the variety that most people in Europe or the > US take for granted is not a fact there. Actually, that reminds me of something else. The music store situation in the Philippines has always been kind of dim -- the deepest musical selections which stores have have always been lite jazz. But I was completely floored when two months or so ago I was in Manila when I noticed a whole section (I think it's called an endcap?) prominently displaying the title INDIEPOP. And aside from Belle and Sebastian, the Cardigans, and Kahimi Karie, there were all these CDs from bands I had never ever heard of: Looper, Girlfrendo, Club 8, Yoshinori Sunahara, The Legendary Jim Ruiz Group, Piano Magic, and a whole bunch of compilations. (Right there, in a store in one of the grimmest cities in the Third World -- but it's my home and I love it...) So I take the plunge and buy the featured title: a compilation from some label I'd never heard of before (Siesta Records) called "Sombrero." (Because of the dollar-peso exchange rate, the CD came out to about $10.) And it was *wonderful.* I just can't get enough of this stuff. I went back the next week and bought the two other comps. (And yes, you might add, all these purchases without the benefit of reviews. Or Napster, for that matter.) Since then I've discovered that one of the major mailing lists devoted to this stuff is called (surprise) the Indiepop list -- which makes me wonder who the enlightened buyer for this store was. (I've also since discovered that one of the major distributors -- or maybe *the* distributor, I don't know -- is actually only a few blocks away from my place, here in San Francisco!) In short, record stores in third world countries are indeed generally dismal -- but you know something's going right when there's an actual Indiepop section in one... Oh, could anyone maybe throw a few recommendations my way? Later, Ben np: charles mingus, "revenge!" http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/ ICQ# 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Fwd: (exotica)Promo items (was napster) Date: 01 Aug 2000 09:47:56 -0700 (PDT) bcleve@pop.tiac.net wrote: > Next time you buy a copy of a CD that says "For Promotion Only" > or words to that effect, just remembert that the person who >recorded the music receives > NO monetary compensation, but the record company weasel who stole > the CD's from the label library gets thousands of dollars annually >due to the kickback he has in place In Boston, a huge radio market, the used record stores are full of promotional items. Most of them unopened with the shrinkwrap still on them. Especially the soundtrack section with all those RYKO reissues. And I posted a few months ago about a store full of Capitol releases. Somebody cleaned out a closet. Right now because of station policy/politics/personalities I can not solicit labels for items to play on my radio show. If I did and got "caught" I would lose the show. Purchasing promo items has been a (slightly) inexpensive way to get music and at least these CD's, in my case, are used for their original intent. Airplay. But it really is a darn shame that this is happening. Plus I've heard that record companies are really stingy with promo items. As for a previous post about asskissing and posting playlists: I've asked myself that question many times. Because it does seem like asskissing. I've even given some of these artists, who are not in my listening area, tapes of my show so they can hear there stuff "on the radio". Folks like "Daves True Story", "Seks Bomba" and Astroslut". Plus these folks gave personally gave me the promo items and I want to show that there CD's are but to good use. the way that I llok at it? In the age of Britney and InSync these folks need the encouragment and support to follow their muse and keep on going. Domenic Ciccone "Martinis with Mancini" WJUL 91.5FM Friday’s 6-9AM EST http://www.geocities.com/martinimancini/ http://www.cs.uml.edu/misc/wjul/wjul.html/ (On Real Audio) P.S. You Can Get Free Email & Homepages @ http://www.buzzlink.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Blahut, Jr." Subject: (exotica) some questions Date: 01 Aug 2000 11:53:33 -0500 hi gang, i only hope that the HUGE napster debate has subsided, it was interesting but not really holding my interest for as long as it went on. the first question i have, and i am wondering if anyone can answer this for me. i have a tape (mixed) that a fair portion of came from a picture disk entitled "angel dust" i don't have any song titles or artist's names - - is anyone on the list familiar with this album? it seems to be a collection of music from biker exploitation movies, i would like a list of artists and song titles. second, i am crazy about tipsy's "trip tease" what other titles are available by tipsy? there was some discussion a little while back about some thing called "swedish erotica mix" where can i find it? also, i think someone mentioned that tipsy did a remix of some lords of acid. where can i get my hands on this? i need it on cd because that (or casette) is the only way i have available for playback at the present time. okay, thanks for indulging me, robert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Fwd: (exotica) Napster... Date: 01 Aug 2000 10:05:00 -0700 (PDT) djbatman@olografix.org wrote: > Since a certain type of homicide only leads to six months in > jail, one > could think that in Italy today it is less risky to kill someone > and steal > a cd from his hands, rather than asking a friend to have a > copy... Would that be catching your wife and her lover in bed?? They used to give you a cigar and pat you on the back....now you have to spend six months in jail? Things are really going downhill in the 'ol country. Domenico P.S. You Can Get Free Email & Homepages @ http://www.buzzlink.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) Thievery Date: 01 Aug 2000 13:21:58 -0400 It surprised me. A half page ad for the upcoming Thievery Corporation CD in the local music rag. Who knew these guys were big enough for such a big ad? And while we're on that kind of music, what can you tell me about "Harpsichord 2000" or Valvola? Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: RE: (exotica) Napster... Date: 01 Aug 2000 13:56:42 -0400 At 12:28 PM 7/31/00 -0400, Rajnai, Charles, NNAD wrote: >As a musician I will sit and play for an hour at home, and not expect to get >money for it ever. If I recorded something and it made it to napster and >halfway around the world to some 19 year old's dorm party, I would be pretty >psyched about it. Thank you, thank you Finally a musician saying that. In reward, I will go to my local record retailer this week and see if they have a Brimstones CD for me to buy all sealed and new. My antipathy towards musicians, songwriters and music publishers comes not from the Napster controversy but from the exorbitant fees they sometimes charge if you want to include their music in your film. Yes it's true that often they give it away for free but even when the musicians give it to you, sometimes you still have to pay someone else. It's greed. Nothing else. Wanting to get paid for your work is a good thing but wanting to get paid A LOT is greed. I say it like this. If you went to a bar and shot a scene from your film and on the TV above the bar, they happened to be playing a film that I once made, I'd think ""Cool. Nice coincidence". If however you told me, "You could get paid for that", I'd probably think about it. And if you told me "You could get paid A LOT", suddenly everything would change. Sorry for the rant. I'm sure I've said all this before. But Charlie Brimstone inspired me to do it again. That was so cool to read that. That's the way it should be. That isn't the way it is. For that reason, I support anything that levels the playing field a bit. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: (exotica) Got some records from an aquaintance Date: 01 Aug 2000 11:29:36 -0700 (PDT) There is this fellow, Joe, who does a 50’s radio show here in central Mass on WICN Worcester. And he’s in the estate auction business too so he has lots of records. My timing was great a few Saturday mornings ago when I dropped in and found him going thru his records in his warehouse. He knows me because I’ve been helping out with pledge drives at WICN and his show for a while. I got a chance to digitize a couple of Shorty Roger LPs’ and gave him a copy of that. I offered to digitize some of his favorite hard to find LP’s (for me and him) but he’s not really interested. He’s not really into CD’s and for years only played LP’s exclusively on his show. Hope my CDr of the Shory Rogers changes his mind. Well while there I was putting together a pile of records to ask if I could borrow. I stuck with stuff he would not like and does not play. Too Latin or percussion based. Space Age pop stuff. He was really wary about lending me stuff. Because he felt he would never see it again. So Joe went thru what I picked out and actually gave me some records instead of borrowing them under the condition that I don’t “bother him for a while”. He’s really a curmudgeony fellow in an endearing way really. Going thru the records I would hold up a LP and I would ask him questions about people like Ann Richards and get the greatest comments....”when she was young she was married to Stan Kenton. He was a real prick. Don’t you know ANYTHING??” He’s like a rude Yoda or something. But it was worth being humble and and an eagerbeaver to learn. Or maybe it was asskissing? Maybe. Here’s some stuff I got. Great Scott Shirley Scott Trio with Orchestra conducted be Oliver Nelson. (Nice "Shot in the Dark” on this) Pete Rugolo and his Orchestra An Adventure in Sound-REEDS Pete Rugolo Music for Out of Space Enoch Light Lets Dance Bossa Nova (includes dance instructions) Edmundo Ros Latin Boss Senor Ros Frank Chacksfield The Great TV Themes Dick Shory Music to Break and Mood. (mentioned on the list recently) Tak Shinko Brass and Bamboo Lew Davies Strange Interlude (Command) Buddy Morrow Double Impact Peggy Lee Latin a La Lee Shorty Rogers Meets Tarzan (Played one cut…this is great!) Mary Gold Sounds Unlimited Hal Mooney Woodwinds and Percussion The Jazz Combo from I Want To Live Gerald Wilson Toredo Impressions in Jazz..The Golden Sword Dick Shory Supercussion About 3 Dick Hyman Command records….. And 2 Esquival LPs! My first ones! He had another 3 and if I threw them in the pile I would have had them. He really does not like him. I have all this stuff on CD and don’t really know why I even but them into my pile but they are nice to have, I guess. I’ve been talking to WICN for a few years about doing a “lounge” show and they are tweaking the schedule for this fall. They seemed a little more receptive this time. It would be perfect to have one after Joe's show. They have so much Jazz on the schedule and know they need something else on but are not sure what. And they are finally going on the net this fall. If any of you are WICN listeners or supports please give them a call and help me out. Domenic Ciccone "Martinis with Mancini" WJUL 91.5FM Friday’s 6-9AM EST http://www.geocities.com/martinimancini/ http://www.cs.uml.edu/misc/wjul/wjul.html/ (On Real Audio) P.S. You Can Get Free Email & Homepages @ http://www.buzzlink.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RLott@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Thievery Date: 01 Aug 2000 14:32:07 EDT << It surprised me. A half page ad for the upcoming Thievery Corporation CD in the local music rag. Who knew these guys were big enough for such a big ad? And while we're on that kind of music, what can you tell me about "Harpsichord 2000" or Valvola? >> I think the Thievery cult has really grown in the past year. You read about them in the press all the time. I've had their new one, "The Mirror Conspiracy," for nearly two months now, and I love it. I was never a fan of their debut, but this one is smooth. The "Harpsichord 2000" compilation is awesome. I reviewed it in the last issue of Cool & Strange. If you like a mix of lounge and electronics (in a Stereolab-sorta way), you'll love it. It made me want to go out and find albums from most of the artists. --Rod www.hitchmagazine.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rajnai, Charles, NNAD" Subject: (exotica) Tiki Thanx Date: 01 Aug 2000 14:57:43 -0400 Thank You to all the listees who helped out in my search for the = 'right' tiki lights. After many phone calls and some e-digging, and some help = from some nice exoticats, I found the ones I have been looking for. They = were at Party City, and I got the last 2 sets for the season. They are = clearing the shelves for Halloween already, sheech! I also managed to get two = citronella tiki candles, which I will never light in respect to the tiki god, and = a pack of 3 paper-accordion-unfolding-type table centerpieces. Under = $30, you betcha. =20 =20 This was almost as cool as a good record score, which I haven't had in = quite a while.... =20 visit=20 THE BRIMSTONES Eternal Surf and Garage Damnation=20 at http://www.brimstones.com =20 =A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,= =B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=20 surfing the chaos,=20 Charlieman=20 cdr@brimstones.com=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Risser" Subject: Fw: Message Bounce: Fw: (exotica) Napster... Date: 01 Aug 2000 15:59:05 -0400 > Sorry about this rant to the rest of the list, but nothing gets me > angrier > than pure and simple stupidity and illogic as displayed by bumpy (on the > head). I dion't mind a debate but when someone ties up this list with > pure > garbage as this guy he deserves to be thrown off. > > Ashley Except folks who answer these with truly inane, totally outrageous, hyperbolic and utterly illogical responses, followed up with moronic and childish personal attacks. That really gets me goat. Those people deserve to be thrown off the list AND stomped in the head with a boot. Bonk bonk on the head. Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Risser" Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster... Date: 01 Aug 2000 15:59:56 -0400 > I personally have few ethical qualms of making tapes or CD-Rs of > *out-of-print*, rare albums for friends. Likewise, Bump, I would have no > problem with you taping say, Martin Denny's "A Taste of India" sitar > album (never been on CD, probably never will) for your friend while a > used copy sits at a record shop for $25. I find this argument to be funny as well. As if, just because it's out of print, well, it's not protected by copyright. Sorry, it's just as illegal to copy this for your friend as it is a nice Scamp reissue. Sure, I guess nobody would be affected... Except if Scamp or some new Scamp-like service, wanted to reissue it and paid the license fees. Then you would have copied it already, and gypped them out of the money they might have paid to the artists. I think. You see where I'm going? I think it's curious that this is primarily a "moral" argument and not a legal one. Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "telstar" Subject: (exotica) Playlist for "Mondo Bongos" August 2, 2000 Date: 01 Aug 2000 16:42:59 -0400 "Mondo Bongos" can be heard every Wednesday mornings at 9 on CFRU 93.3fm in Guelph, Ontario, Canada. Comments & questions welcome. Now available via RealAudio http://www.uoguelph.ca/~cfru-fm/ Aavikko - Alas Volgaa 12" Sergio Mendes & Brasil '66 - Mais Que Nada "Herb Albert Presents..." La Dusseldorf - Rheinata 7" Kraftwerk - Showroom Dummies "Trans-Europe Express" Kraftwerk - The Model "The Man-Machine" Eric Random - 23 Skidoo 7" Bruce Haack - Word Game "The Electric Lucifer" Pierre Henry/Michel Colombier - Teen Tonic "Messe Pour Le Temps Present" [unknown] - Blowin' Bubbles "Deep Throat" ost Morning 40 Federation - Bottom Shelf Blues "You My Brother" Andy Prieboy - Cannot Not "Livin' Lounge" Jess Franco - Keep Cool, Candy "The Manacoa Experience" Barry Adamson - The Big Bamboozle "Oedipus Schmoedipus" 23 Skidoo - Coup 12" Thanks for reading... Allan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: itsvern@ibm.net Subject: Re: (exotica) Thievery Date: 01 Aug 2000 18:34:16 -0400 > Who knew these guys were big enough for such a big ad? > > I think the Thievery cult has really grown in the past year. You read about > them in the press all the time. The latest issue of Spin has a good article on the Thievery Corporation - one page of informative, interesting, and positive text, another full page featuring a photo of Rob Garza and Eric Hilton. Quite the contrast from the cover band of this September issue, which features the band Creed. Oh well, win some, lose some. Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Thievery Date: 01 Aug 2000 21:33:20 EDT In a message dated 8/1/0 6:36:59 PM, itsvern@ibm.net wrote: >The latest issue of Spin has a good article on the Thievery Corporation As a mobile DJ I use their (Thievery Corporation) DJ Kicks-Mix recording as a cocktail hour/crowd warmer. Its really mesmerizing and allows me to schmooze and pass out my card while the guests arrive...Thought you'd care...JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLarry3595@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Martin Denny MP3 festival Date: 01 Aug 2000 23:14:00 EDT Question: Who makes more money from putting out Martin Denny reissues? Mr. Denny or a full time employee of the company that puts out said reissues? Is this whole debate really about personnal financial interests or respecting and honoring (with payment) the achievements of artists? PS. Rumor has it that someone has put out a "hit" for someone to "whack" Tiki B. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Risser" Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster... Date: 02 Aug 2000 00:06:33 -0400 > 1. Scenario One: Let's say "this friend of mine" is looking through the mp3 > newsgroups on usenet. He is stunned when he finds, in > alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.1960s, the entire "Nuggets" box set. All there ripe > for the downloading. He realizes he knows some of the songs, but not all, > and besides, he'd like to hear more. So he downloads it all and burns it > onto CD. There -- about $60 worth of music on CD-Rs. And the more he listens > to it, the more he likes it. So the next day he goes to a store and buys a > "Pebbles" comp CD. And then he realizes that he can't really live without > all the cool info and art that really comes with "Nuggets," so... he buys > the set anyway. (One of the first things he ever bought on Ebay, actually.) > New customer for Rhino; new psych/garage rock fan. Would he have bought the > CD set from hearing only a few sound samples on Cdnow? Most probably not. Just so everyone knows, and I don't think Benito is talking about me, but this EXACT thing happened to me. I downloaded the ENTIRE Nuggets box set from Usenet and loved it so much that I asked for it for my next birthday. Sadly, I'm sure not many of the original artists saw a damn red cent considering the type of record company jockeying that went on back then... I didn't buy Pebbles yet by the way... Maybe if someone posts that I can listen and judge it too. Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Risser" Subject: Re: (exotica) More Napster Date: 02 Aug 2000 00:10:53 -0400 > In the first place the record industry is not a monopoly. A monopoly is the > exclusive control of of a business. There are several major labels and > hundreds of independent labels, not to mention those musicians who chose to > record and release music themselves. I'm sorry, I should have been more clear. Record companies themselves are not monopolies, but they do practice monopolistic practices when it comes to the distribution of the music they hold, often to the detriment of fans and the artists whose output they control. > Secondly, bands/performers license the rights to themselves to t-shirt and > poster companies making a lisencing fee and a royalty per unit. So payment is > made to artists in the same way as by record companies. Right. But the record companies take back all the royalties from records to recoup the advance, pay for promos, stamps, mixing, and so on and so on. Usually the artists end up with very little from the actual sales of the music, or sometimes, if they only sell, say, 50,000 copies, they still owe the companies. > You make out record companies to be the big villian in all this. If it wasn't > for record companies Mr. Risser, there wouldn't be the music you'd be talking > about on this list. And if it wasn't for record companies there wouldn't be > the catalog of songs to download from Napster. You are so wrong. Please visit mp3.com and see all the music that is being produced and distributed without the help of the record companies. > So before you make, to use your words from an earlier e-mail to me, "truly > inane, totally outrageous,hyperbolic and utterly illogical responses" please > get your facts straight. They are, chief. Thanks. Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cheryl Subject: Re: (exotica) Thievery Date: 02 Aug 2000 00:49:35 -0500 alan zweig wrote: > And while we're on that kind of music, what can you tell me about > "Harpsichord 2000" or Valvola? Gee, someone hasn't been reading their copies of "Cool & Strange Music"!! I reviewed the Valvola last year - it's good, although not in the league of Montefiori Cocktail. And they're featured on the Harpsichord 2000 compilation (on which my favourite track is the Stereo Total). I would call Valvola's music electronica-influenced psychedelic lounge ballads - that pretty much sums it up. cheryl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Wages" Subject: (exotica) Omni Hut -- Tiki Restaurant -- News Date: 02 Aug 2000 02:11:03 -0500 James wrote: > So lets talk about music and tiki bars! Seconded. Awhile ago, we discussed a cool family-owned Polynesian restaurant in the Nashville area. I had a chance to visit the place and it turned out to be = a very friendly, family-owned tiki joint. You can read more about it for now on James' Tiki Bar Review Pages. Anyway, I just found out the restaurant almost burnt down and is currently closed! And I thought many of you would appreciate the update. Here is an article from the local newspaper: Fire ravages popular restaurant in Smyrna By Lisa Marchesoni / Staff writer SMYRNA Fire which extensively damaged Omni Hut will keep the restaurant closed for two to three months for restoration, authorities said last week. The July 15, fire apparently started in the attic area above the kitchen, according to Fire Chief Bill Culbertson, who said Police Officer Gretchen Woodruff spotted the blaze at about 11:30 p.m. that night while on patrol o= n South Lowry Street. The officer immediately notified firefighters. "Firefighters did an excellent job containing it," Culbertson said, explaining that crews contained the fire to the kitchen, roof and back part of the building. The dining area and front sustained only heavy smoke damage. Cause of the fire remains under investigation, he said. The staff had left about 30 minutes before Woodruff discovered the fire. Operator Polly Walls estimates the restoration could be completed within 60 to 90 days. "We're trying to do as much as we can as quickly as we can," Walls said. Wall's=92 father, Jim, opened the Omni Hut Polynesian restaurant in 1960. Daughter Polly Walls grew up at the restaurant, as did customers who come t= o the restaurant from all over Middle Tennessee. "We=92re feeding fifth generations in some families," Polly Walls said. Smoke heavily damaged the Polynesian decor in the dining room, destroyed kitchen equipment and killed nine fish in the large built-in aquarium, including 10-year-old Big White and 5-year-old Big Orange. One tiny quarry catfish survived. "I think he's going to make it," Walls said. A new kitchen will be required in the renovation, she said. The restaurant=92s crew was able to salvage a freezer of frozen food but lost canned and refrigerated food. A shipment scheduled to arrive Tuesday was postponed. Walls expressed gratitude to Woodruff who was alert and spotted the fire an= d firefighters who contained the blaze. She says she's taking the "islanders' approach" to the fire. "Fire is a time of birth and renewal," Walls said. "She's (Omni Hut) still got a lot of life left in her." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Wages" Subject: Re: (exotica) some questions (Tipsy) Date: 02 Aug 2000 01:50:20 -0500 Robert wrote: > second, i am crazy about tipsy's "trip tease" what other titles are > available by tipsy? there was some discussion a little while back about > some thing called "swedish erotica mix" where can i find it? also, i > think someone mentioned that tipsy did a remix of some lords of acid. > where can i get my hands on this? i need it on cd because that (or The "Swedish Erotica Mix" was a remix of Pulp's "This Is Hardcore". It is on the CD single. The single is out of print so you'll have to buy it used. You might want to try www.gemm.com. It is an absolutely incredible re-mix and definetely worth the effort. I'd recommend this to anybody. I heard it on Napster and have been keeping an eye out for the actual CD though I haven't had any luck. There is a Tipsy re-mix on Bungalow's Peter Thomas 2 CD set "Warp Back To Earth". This is a good set with the first CD being remixes and the second being the original tracks. There are also remixes by Stereolab, John McEntire, Saint Etienne, and other cool people. This shouldn't be too hard to find. Tipsy's re-mix of "Spank My Booty" is a HUGE improvement over the original. But the Lords of Acid are a terrible, terrible, terrible band and the original "Spank My Booty" is just as bad. I would concentrate on finding this down last. Tipsy Dave even said they just did if for money. There is also a Tipsy re-mix on a AtaTak's Charles Wilp remix album. I don't know much about this except it recieved some praise from list members awhile back. I've been meaning to buy this. I think a few Tipsy goodies can be had on the Asphodel web-site. Check out the compilations -- particularly "Asphodelic". If I recall correctly, they were pretty cheap. You may want to check out DJ Food's "Kaleidoscope" which is the only CD of this type which I've enjoyed as much as Trip Tease. What else? --- Paul H. Wages Chamblee, GA USA bobbyspacetroup@mindspring.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) another view Date: 02 Aug 2000 10:25:22 +0200 itsvern@ibm.net wrote: > What I find interesting about the whole Napster phenomena is that > millions of people are so willing to do something that is 'officially > illegal. .... to many, downloading napster files is just as acceptable > as regularly driving 5 mile over the speed limit. :-) ? Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) napster Date: 02 Aug 2000 10:50:47 +0200 "Br. Cleve" wrote: > Promos are a recoupable expense, charged back to the artist. Mechanical > royalties are paid on CD's that are sold legitimately. Promo CD's have no > bar codes, so they can not be scanned into a register, and cannot be > tracked. ASCAP etc residuals are paid for performance, i.e. radio play, > used in a movie or TV commercial etc. Looks like there are some slight differences between how these things are handled in America and here. The German GEMA pays the artist for each pressing of a record AND for TV/radioplay. In case of indie artists, who usually don't get so much airplay, the money from the pressings is the major part. In detail it works like this: The record company must pay the GEMA almost a dollar per CD it presses, the GEMA gives 85% of it to the artist, that is the writer of the song. The cheque for the artist usually arrives sometime before Christmas as an often very welcome surprise. Still the GEMA is often criticized, as it is kind of big and complicated and hard to survey; I'm sure it has it's dark sides. Still I supported it against attempts to create an "alternative GEMA", as was tried by some Indie labels in the 80s, because I think only a united strong organization, that is accepted on the political parkett like the GEMA can protect artists rights in the long run. In fact nobody mentioned that not long ago the internet was seen by many as a chance to distribute music directly from the musician to the listener. I still think this is true and should be done, but only if there is a fair way of paying the work of the involved artists and webdistributors. I'm sure music for everybody would become much cheaper than it is today, especially when I read those posts here about CD prices in part of the world outside Euro/US/Can... Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Omni Hut -- Tiki Restaurant -- News Date: 02 Aug 2000 10:52:35 +0200 Paul Wages wrote: > James wrote: > > > So lets talk about music and tiki bars! > > Seconded. A while ago when posting about tiki bars I always sooner or later got one "let's talk about music" in return. What has changed? Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dj Batman Subject: (exotica) Soul Trade and more Italian reprints Date: 02 Aug 2000 12:49:00 +0200 this afternoon I talked on the phone with Mariella Reitano of Soul Trade. They will be releasing Aperitivo vol.3 compilation in september and they are willing to have some cds available as digital downloads on selected sites. I will help her putting some of that stuff online this autumn, probably putting Aperitivo vol.1 & 2 on sale through http://www.emusic.com or something like that. Expect some free downloads, of course! She mentioned a mysterious project about some other Italian composers/film music stuff (I will only learn more at the end of this month...!) and then she gave me great news: Soul Trade owns the Vedette catalogue. Vedette is a 1960/1970 label that was into italian pop music, but ended doing lots of exotic stuff. Armando Sciascia and his Phase 6 Superstereo imprint (a sort of local imitation of "Phase 4" :-)))) had some really cool titles in early 1970s. I have found some of them in markets and I always look for more... actually, with a friend of mine, I was willing to repint some tracks but coulnd't find who was the copyright owner and/or had the masters. She is obviously interested in reprinting some of these tracks, but the problem is that for some of them the masters are lost, for some other there is just a vinyl copy an so on. She even discovered she has the rights of one song written by UMBERTO ECO (yes, the guy who wrote "The name of the rose") and this is pretty weird. Too bad that the master seems lost, too. Finally, we talked about Napster and Mariella - even she isn't really the computer type - seems to share my positions. There are a lot of Napster users sharing copies of Flabby tracks, and of course Mambo Italiano is the most traded. Soul Trade is also willing to give some free downloads, but that will happen of certain authorized sites, not on Napster in any truncated/damaged form. Mariella never used Napster but she thinks that such systems are ok when there is a limited exchange of rare/out of print/live stuff etc. Anyway, she might join one of the legal actions against Napster soon. That's all from your reporter in sunny Italy! bye, Nicola (Dj Batman) Battista "Every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief" (Bono) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: (exotica) A tangent from your Tan Gent... Date: 02 Aug 2000 08:19:22 -0400 >If I recorded something and it made it to napster and > >halfway around the world to some 19 year old's dorm party, I would be pretty > >psyched about it. Cute anecdote (so stop reading now if you wish to read about my opinions about Napster, because they aren't here) paraphrased from Max Wilk's book "Wit and Wisdom of Hollywood", which, contrary to what you might think, is a rather long book: Max Steiner was recording a soundtrack for a film. During the recording a fellow asked for a dub of that day's session. He then took that and rigged Steiner's radio (while he was detained by others in on the plot) so the dub could play through the radio. Steiner came home with the others and one of the co-plotters, during a conversation, turned the radio on. Steiner stopped talking and was amazed to hear his own work being "broadcast". "What is that?", he asked. "Just the radio", one of the fellows said. "But, I just WROTE that!", he yelled. "He nearly had a fit before we let him in on the gag", said one of the practical jokers. Quite the length to go for a gag, no? Brian Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: (exotica) Exotica perfume Date: 02 Aug 2000 07:57:09 -0500 There must be a fragrance called Exotica, right? There is, described as, "a combination of exotic florals such as Oriental lily, lotus, ylang ylang plus mango, sandalwood and our own musk blend." Tickle your nose with Exotica by ordering a sample from Dusty Rose Perfumery, http://www.efn.org/~perfume. Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Blahut, Jr." Subject: (exotica) more questions, somewhat off topic Date: 02 Aug 2000 07:51:03 -0500 would anyone on the list (and feel free to email me off list with this) be willing to answer some computer questions for me? i should, in the next week or so, receive a new imac computer. i would like to buy a CD-RW (i think) i don't know the difference between CD-R and CD-RW. if i were to get one, would i be able to convert my casettes to CDs? would i need additional hardware ? if so, what would i need ? i have hours and hours of grateful dead and zappa bootlegs tapes and i would like to put them on a more permanent medium. if anyone would be so kind as to answer these questions for me, would you mind if i picked your brain with some other computer questions ? also, no luck so far finding that swedish erotica mix single, anyone willing to trade for something? - - i don't have much exotica to offer, and, well, in view of the recent napster discussion on this list, i am a little bit afraid to ask anyone if they are willing to make a tape of it but if you are willing, perhaps we could work something out. peace, love, recycle, robert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RLott@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) more questions, somewhat off topic Date: 02 Aug 2000 09:01:24 EDT << i should, in the next week or so, receive a new imac computer. i would like to buy a CD-RW (i think) i don't know the difference between CD-R and CD-RW. if i were to get one, would i be able to convert my casettes to CDs? >> CD-RWs are generally cheaper than CD-Rs, but you can't burn music onto them. --Rod www.hitchmagazine.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BasicHip@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) more questions, somewhat off topic Date: 02 Aug 2000 10:11:07 EDT << would anyone on the list (and feel free to email me off list with this) be willing to answer some computer questions for me? in a nutshell... <> check out this site - it's a must for anybody getting into this: http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/ <> Yes, definitely! Be prepared for some "growing pains" though - you most likely will end up with several discs that end up in the trash. Or serve your guests drinks on them - they call 'em "coasters". :)) <> You'll need a CD burner of course . If there is any chance you will want to "get creative" with your music - make your own seamless mixes, etc, I strongly recommend the computer based type of burner rather than the stand alone "stereo component" model. That means you need a decent soundcard too. Using your computer to make a CD-R is a far and away more powerful tool. On the other hand, it is much more time consuming. I think the "stand alone" type is like making a tape - hit record and presto - it records the disc "on the fly" while you listen. <> other than the CD burner you really don't need anything else. If you do use your PC, you will need to connect your stereo to the soundcard's INput. But that is no biggie. Most likely, you'll reach a point where you want to explore some of the many WAV editing software programs available. You do get some software with your Burner, but it's pretty limited as to what it can do. Not it terms of recording basics - you'll still be able to record your Zappa tapes, just not as many extra features. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: (exotica) Mr. Spock! Date: 02 Aug 2000 10:28:47 -0400 Mr. Spock's Music From Outer Space?!?!?! Weird! (Listening to "In Flight" broadcast at work........) - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rajnai, Charles, NNAD" Subject: (exotica) More Napster Fire Fuel Date: 02 Aug 2000 10:44:05 -0400 Check out THIS article in the NY Times today. Of course, BMI is = releasing their own charge per download service, charging customers just as much = as they would in the record store. But what of the distribution and = packaging costs that are saved? Does anyone honestly think that the artists will = see any of that cash? I don't think so. All the more reason to not use = this service... =20 http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/00/08/biztech/articles/02popl.html = =20 =20 visit=20 THE BRIMSTONES Eternal Surf and Garage Damnation=20 at http://www.brimstones.com =20 =A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,= =B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=20 surfing the chaos,=20 Charlieman=20 cdr@brimstones.com=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Hall Subject: (exotica) Ass kissing, Napster Date: 02 Aug 2000 12:25:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:47:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Domenic Ciccone" > Subject: Fwd: (exotica)Promo items (was napster) As for a previous post about asskissing and posting playlists: I've asked myself that question many times. Because it does seem like asskissing. I've even given some of these artists, who are not in my listening area, tapes of my show so they can hear there stuff "on the radio". And it's much appreciated, Dom! Ditto Jimmy B., Cheryl, et al. When I get fwd'd a playlist & see my band on it, I feel like somebody's listening, somewhere... always great to see 'em. Now shall we discuss musicians' asskissing of programmers? Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:56:42 -0400 From: alan zweig > Subject: RE: (exotica) Napster... My antipathy towards musicians, songwriters and music publishers comes not from the Napster controversy but from the exorbitant fees they sometimes charge if you want to include their music in your film. Yes it's true that often they give it away for free but even when the musicians give it to you, sometimes you still have to pay someone else. It's greed. Nothing else. Wanting to get paid for your work is a good thing but wanting to get paid A LOT is greed. Well Nat, I dunno what constitutes "a lot" - I will tell you that my band's self-produced CD cost around $10K for recording, mixing & mastering & art, all of which came from 3 yrs worth of gig money + some out-of-pocket from the bassist & I. This doesn't count lost income from time off work & various related costs. From this, we'll probably realize 3K in net profits, including a couple film placements. I'm not whining, it's what I do & I love it, but I don't feel bad at all about asking a thousand or so for a song (w/free festival rights) assuming I have no idea who it is or whether or not the film will suck. Maybe it's absurd to spend 10K on a record, but I still find it profoundly annoying to hear musicians referred to as "greedy" for wondering how payment's gonna work in the post-Napster world, and until I hear a better answer than "record companies exploit musicians anyways," "music should be free" etc, I just can't embrace this stuff. gh # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dj Batman Subject: Re: (exotica) Omni Hut -- Tiki Restaurant -- News Date: 02 Aug 2000 18:27:44 +0200 >A while ago when posting about tiki bars I always sooner or later got one "let's >talk about music" in return. What has changed? dunno, some folks must be so feeded with the Napster thing that tiki bars must have suddenly become an acceptable topic of discussion ;D DjB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica) More Napster Fire Fuel Date: 02 Aug 2000 09:57:29 -0700 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Rajnai, Charles, > NNAD > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 7:44 AM > Check out THIS article in the NY Times today. Of course, BMI is releasing > their own charge per download service, charging customers just as much as > they would in the record store. Yeah, amazing isn't it? First they practically shut down the guy's business, then they turn around and go, "The great thing about Napster was its ease of use! We should go and make something just like it!" Later, Ben np: charles mingus, "revenge!" (not an inappropriate listen for such a topic, come to think of it) http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/ ICQ# 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JT Subject: (exotica) CD-RW Date: 02 Aug 2000 12:48:53 -0600 > >Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:01:24 EDT > >From: RLott@aol.com > >Subject: Re: (exotica) more questions, somewhat off topic > > << i should, in the next week or so, receive a new imac computer. i would > like to buy a CD-RW (i think) i don't know the difference between CD-R and > CD-RW. if i were to get one, would i be able to convert my casettes to > CDs? >> > > >CD-RWs are generally cheaper than CD-Rs, but you can't burn music onto them. > >Rod Well, this needs a big clarification, Rod. I have a CD-RW drive and I do music CD's all the time. Daily in fact, because I do audio mastering for a living. Also, CD-RW's are MORE expensive than CD-R. The difference is that CD-RW discs are Re-Writeable, meaning that you can use them over again, like a floppy or a zip. CD-R you can use only once. BUT, you CAN use CD-R discs in a CD-RW drive to make music CD's, so therefore a CD-RW drive is your most flexible bet. Just get CD-R discs for music, and CD-RW discs for data backup (or whatever) and burn both to your heart's content. Back to the original question, if you wnt to make pro-sounding copeies of your cassettes, you need an audio card and a big HD - audio takes up 10 megs per minute for 'CD quality' sound on your hard drive. Most audio cards come with the software you need for rudimentary mastering. The CD's you make will not sound better than the cassettes you are making them from, but at least they won't wear out, you'll never have to rewind, etc etc James Tiki Bar Review Pages http://www.tydirium.net ... - www.tydirium.net: * Tydirium Multimedia * Left Orbit Temple * Blue Harvest * Tiki Bar Review Pages * Jazz Baby ...and my own weird ramblings and tour journals # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Risser" Subject: Re: (exotica) More Napster Fire Fuel Date: 02 Aug 2000 13:58:24 -0400 > > Check out THIS article in the NY Times today. Of course, BMI is releasing > > their own charge per download service, charging customers just as much as > > they would in the record store. > > Yeah, amazing isn't it? First they practically shut down the guy's business, > then they turn around and go, "The great thing about Napster was its ease of > use! We should go and make something just like it!" Gawd, I hate that the most. And then, when no-one uses it, they'll bitch about how nobody WANTS to download from the net, completely overlooking the fact that they service they offered was overpriced and most likely a hassle. Sigh. In the meantime, people who have set up services and are all ready to deliver the goods in a nice way can't license from them because they are monopolistic hogs. Besides, there are a LOT of songs that aren't WORTH a buck to a buck-fifty. Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Risser" Subject: Re: (exotica) more questions, somewhat off topic Date: 02 Aug 2000 14:00:50 -0400 > << i should, in the next week or so, receive a new imac computer. i would > like to buy a CD-RW (i think) i don't know the difference between CD-R and > CD-RW. if i were to get one, would i be able to convert my casettes to > CDs? >> > > CD-RWs are generally cheaper than CD-Rs, but you can't burn music onto them. I don't think this is true. My experience has been that CD-Rs are 1-2 bucks where CD-RWs used to be like, 20 bucks, now are cheaper. You CAN record music on them, but most standard CD players can't play them, so it's not real handy. Most CD writers burn CD-RW as well as CD-R, so you don't have to worry about that. As to casettes to CDs, you'd have to sample the sound via your sound card to your hard drive, then cut the files up and cut them to CD. You'll need a sound editor. Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RLott@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Re: CD-RW Date: 02 Aug 2000 14:50:26 EDT >>>CD-RWs are generally cheaper than CD-Rs, but you can't burn music onto > them. >Rod > > Well, this needs a big clarification, Rod. > I have a CD-RW drive and I do music CD's all the time. Daily in fact, > because I do audio mastering for a living. > Also, CD-RW's are MORE expensive than CD-R.<< Then allow me to disclaim: With my Que USB burner, burning CD-RWs is not an option, according to the instruction book, and they're right, because that's what I was trying to do when I first started burning, to no avail. If other burners can do it, so be it. As for CD-RWs being more expensive than CD-Rs, I must be shopping at the wrong stores! --Rod www.hitchmagazine.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dean Keasey Subject: (exotica) Nat's film Date: 02 Aug 2000 13:09:39 -0700 What is the name of Nat's film showing in Vancouver, I guess I missed it.. e-z action # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dj Batman Subject: Re: (exotica) More Napster Fire Fuel Date: 02 Aug 2000 22:33:56 +0200 >Besides, there are a LOT of songs that aren't WORTH a buck to a buck-fifty. of course, but this is the reason why you usually have free streaming or mp3 sample before buying; or if you prefer, things like Emusic's unlimited subscription service that will allow you to download even 125000 tracks in one month... DjB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: itsvern@ibm.net Subject: (exotica) needlepoint Date: 02 Aug 2000 18:50:02 -0400 For a fresh and interesting new look on the whole napster debate... substitute 'needlepoint patterns' in place of 'music' substitute 'pattern designers' in place of 'musicians' substitute 'grandmothers' in place of 'music loving hipsters' substitute 'small businesses' in place of 'large record companies' and you've got the following article http://www.latimes.com/news/front/20000801/t000072072.html It's really amazing at how much the 'embroidery' and the 'music' crowds have in common. Those grandmothers think just like many of us on the exotica list. Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-RW Date: 02 Aug 2000 18:32:45 -0700 (PDT) > The CD's you make will not sound better than the cassettes you are >making them from, but at least they won't wear out, you'll never have to rewind, etc etc > A DJ friend of mine bought a minidisk player and used it to transfer a lot of his blues tapes onto minidisk. He claims that the minidisks actually improved the sound. Something in the way the sound was converted, taking away the tape hiss perhaps. It sounds weird but I have no reason to doubt his claim. Domenic As for sending a signal into my computer from my receiver: After some inital success I'm having some problems. Nothing any of you could help me with...I just needed to bitch and moan....and humm....Scotty! Locate that ferrite core I lost!! P.S. You Can Get Free Email & Homepages @ http://www.buzzlink.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LTepedino@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) More Napster Date: 02 Aug 2000 21:55:57 EDT Again Peter you are forcing me to correct your statements and misrepresentations. Here we go... << > In the first place the record industry is not a monopoly. A monopoly is Your response to my pointing out that the record industry is not a monopoly but a group of many hundreds of companies received this response: I'm sorry, I should have been more clear. Record companies themselves are not monopolies, but they do practice monopolistic practices when it comes to the distribution of the music they hold, often to the detriment of fans and the artists whose output they control. What are you defining as a monolpolistic practice? I am supposing this is refering to the idea that a company may be holding recordings by an artist but may not be releasing or making them available to the public? You have to understand that under the current system of producing CDs there is a level of sales that have to be reached in order to make a product profitable. In addition, record companies have to deal with retail outlets who cannot possibly carry every release that is made avaialble. Go into any store and you will find, to use the example of Martin Denny, one or two tiles tops (if any!). In light of having to deal with their immediate customers, which are retailers, record companies have to be aware of what stores are willing to take and what they say they will draw the limit at. Now thanks to the internet it may be very soon that consumers will be able to legally download tracks made available from the entire catalogs of labels - this is a win-win situation for everyone but to make sure the artist is properly reimbursed as well as the publishing a secure accountable format for downloading has to be with a secured format. Next, whole libraries of material will have to be downloaded which will take some time. Remember while we may all be screaming for all the Martin Denny tracks (as an example) there are far more people who will want things like Barbara Streisand or stuff from some r&b outfit, this is simple economics. Record companies aren't purposely being the evil vilians you are making them out to be Peter, you have to understand that they are businesses and have to answer to shareholders, if they are publically owned, or to the bottom-line to pay there bills. And while you may think this is to the detriment of fans, you may be right, but as much as I hate to say it, making Martin Denny tracks available before someone like Barabra Streisand would be detrimental to a lot more fans than Martin has. You can't have your cake and eat it to Peter...and that goes for any business not just the recording industry. The next response about record companies you made was: Right. But the record companies take back all the royalties from records to recoup the advance, pay for promos, stamps, mixing, and so on and so on. Usually the artists end up with very little from the actual sales of the music, or sometimes, if they only sell, say, 50,000 copies, they still owe the companies. It doesn't quite work the way you lay it out. There are many artists who don't sell enough records and record companies never recoup their advances. In this case the record companies have lost money while the artists has gotten paid according to contract. Lets deal with the individual items you listed.. promos (promos are deducted from the royalty calculation and why souldn't they? You can't expect a record company to pay royalty on copies of albums that are used to gain radio, press articles or receive in-store play, so there is usually a free goods percentage built into the contract which is fully spelled out and which the artist and their lawyer fully acknowledge and agree to or they wouldn't sign) stamps (any packaing and mailing costs are not deducted from artist royalties they are part of the expense of the record company to try to sell the artist's album) mixing(any studio costs are only deducted if they exceed the contractually agreed upon recording costs - again the artists and their lawyer fully acknowledges this and it is a proper business arrangement. Would you pay for some high-powered mixer or some expensive recording studio session for a band who you only expect to reach a modest amount of sales from?) As for your 50,000 unit example at which the artist makes money, this depends on the contract. There are all kinds of royalty payment arrangements that can be agreed to with the artist before he agrees to sign. A record company only enters into a contractual arrangement with an artist if they think they make money once the artist's royalties have been paid. Once again you are making the record company out to be the villain when in fact the artist knows fully well the arrangement he is getting into and if he didn't think he could make money he wouldn't sign. What you don't realize Peter is that once an artist is given their advance the record company can't come to their front door and take it back if the album doesn't sell. If the album doesn't reach the sales projected based on the advance that's money the artist has made and money the record company is out of pocket. And Peter I can tell you that more projects loose money than make money - it is primarily the few projects that strike it big that help keep record companies afloat and pay for the loses. And remember too that while a record company pays an artist a tangible royalty, that artist may deliver an album that is of a lesser quality than the record company had expected. Who is the villian then? The artist is always the wronged party as you make him out to be, because in this case both the record company and the fans suffer! My comment that it is because of the record companies that you vilifyare what makes Napster so successful elicited this comment: You are so wrong. Please visit mp3.com and see all the music that is being produced and distributed without the help of the record companies. I'll agree that there is a lot of music being produced and distributed on these sites by artists, but Peter you surely can't make the statement that these self-produced musical gems bringing in the crowds to mp3.com and Napster. You know very well it is the big, signed-to-record-company name acts that drive the traffic. Please Peter, if you have never touched a recording contract in your life, which I'm guessing you haven't, you should be more careful in your statements as you are misrepresenting to list readers who otherwise don't know better a business you are not actually involved in. Ashley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) steel guitar ray gun factoid Date: 02 Aug 2000 22:55:27 -0400 According to Forrest White in his book, "Fender: The Inside Story"... The Martian ray gun sound effect in the movie "War Of The Worlds" (1953) was created by Noel Boggs on his steel guitar (Boggs worked with Bob Wills, Spade Cooley and many others). Hot damn, that's cool! ::::::: PS) a technical note: yes, this is my official new e-mail address... if you happen to have my old one in your address book. m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com http://ookworld.com/linkalog/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LTepedino@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Martin Denny MP3 festival Date: 03 Aug 2000 00:12:21 EDT In a message dated 8/1/00 10:14:38 PM EST, SLarry3595@aol.com writes: << Question: Who makes more money from putting out Martin Denny reissues? Mr. Denny or a full time employee of the company that puts out said reissues? Is this whole debate really about personnal financial interests or respecting and honoring (with payment) the achievements of artists? >> Answer: It is all releative as to how many the reissue sells. Mr. Denny gets paid the artist royalty (which is higher per unit now due to the list price of a CD being higher than what albums sold for in the '50s) and his publishing royalty (which is also higher than what he got back in the day). There are certain fixed costs with respect to mastering, licensing, manufacturing and promotion of a reissue so once you sell over a certain amount you break even. Thankfully Mr. Denny receives his royalties from the first copy sold. The risk really lies with the record company being able to reach that break even point which is several thousand copies. Ashley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) some pics of hawaii, denny, lyman... Date: 03 Aug 2000 09:32:07 +0200 http://www.omroep.nl/nps/radio/supplement/99/1115/welcome.html pictures by Pascal Plantinga the Dutch guy who visited our heros last year and did a 4 hours radio show with interviews of Denny, Lyman, Don Tiki etc. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BasicHip@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) steel guitar ray gun factoid Date: 03 Aug 2000 10:03:24 EDT << The Martian ray gun sound effect in the movie "War Of The Worlds" (1953) was created by Noel Boggs on his steel guitar >> Hot damn, that IS cool. Incredibly cool. Noel Boggs has at least one great steel guitar album that I know of: Magic Steel Guitar (Shasta) You'll find yet another version of Caravan on it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: (exotica) Mr. Spock! Date: 03 Aug 2000 07:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Nate I was surprised how much I liked the Mr. Spock's Music from Outer Space on the "In Flight" broadcast. Enough for me to use a deerdear $10 off coupon at Amazon to order it that day. Enjoyed the whole Inflight Braodcast, thanks Captain Mark! Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck --- Nathan Miner wrote: > > Mr. Spock's Music From Outer Space?!?!?! > > Weird! > > (Listening to "In Flight" broadcast at work........) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BasicHip@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) steel guitar ray gun factoid Date: 03 Aug 2000 10:06:37 EDT I wrote: << Noel Boggs has at least one great steel guitar album that I know of: Magic Steel Guitar (Shasta) >> see the cover - and bid away - here: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=397498112 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "william" Subject: (exotica) droplift Date: 03 Aug 2000 22:01:03 +0800 hi all, this comes from another list i am on. has anyone seen this in their = shops? i doubt any pop up here in taipei. but i'd be curious if anyone = saw this in their shops. i haven't had the chance to check out the site = or check out the manipulating going on...looks interesting though. william in taipei. The anti-copyright collaborative project known as "The Droplift Project" was released on July 28th. The album is a protest against the copyright restrictions on sampling, along with the music industry in general. Through the prank of dropping our CD of "infringing material" directly into the shelves of record stores across the planet, we hope to raise awareness of fair use issues in music, along with exposing some unsuspecting people to the wonderful world of audio collage and the art of the sample. Much more information, along with free downloads of the complete album in mp3 or full uncompressed format is available at the Droplift Project website : http://www.droplift.org Official press release: WHAT IS THE DROPLIFT PROJECT? The idea came suddenly. Manufacture our own CDs, go into chain stores, and leave them in the appropriate bins. Down among the established pop hits and top 40 product, these CDs await those curious few who take them to the counter. Then what? Witness the confused faces of cashiers and customers alike when the CD does not show up in the inventory. But they'll most likely make the sale, and the CD known only as THE DROPLIFT PROJECT will go home with yet another customer. Mission accomplished. On the weekend of July 28th, 2000, all across the United States and Internationally, ordinary citizens will walk into record stores with copies of THE DROPLIFT PROJECT hidden on their person. They will proceed to leave them, well filed, in the stacks, and they will walk out. Why do this? Surely the artists know they won't get any MONEY from this puzzling act. Ah, but perhaps you are starting to understand already. The artists on THE DROPLIFT PROJECT make and find recordings of the stuff we all hear on radio, TV, in the news, on other CDs and tapes, and from everywhere around us. Then we cut it all up and rearrange it to make new art, social commentary, parody, and contemporary criticism. It's nothing new. Artists have been making collages for the last hundred years. The world of Fine Art has long recognized the artist's right to use found objects in a new context to make a comment. The world of music has been a little behind. Record companies reject our works outright, wishing to avoid unpleasant harassment lawsuits. CD Plants, acting on an RIAA mandate to curb piracy, are skittish about pressing material that might contain recognizable samples. Even free music venues on the Internet refuse to allow sample-based works. Is it illegal? Depends on who you ask. We know we are protected by the First Amendment and the Fair Use clause of the Copyright Act. Apparently the Music Industry does not follow such things. The atmosphere of stark panic about the creative reuse of material has really got us in a bind. Our only recourse was to manufacture and distribute a disc on our own. In this way we find ourselves in the awkward position of acting in a way that is seen by some as criminal. So here it is! Listen to it! We're not doing this for our health. This is a deliberate attempt not only for our talents to be heard, but to encourage some discussion about artists' use of sound samples in their work. If you like the disc, spread the word! Write an article, play it on your radio show, make tapes for friends, and help us get it out there! You can also visit us on the internet at http://www.droplift.org # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: (exotica) Easy Loungin' Date: 03 Aug 2000 10:57:03 -0400 What about this Peter Thomas CD - is it good throughout? Heard "Landing on the Moon" and dug it. - Nate (Chuck, what was that deal with the $10 Amazon coupon?? Is this for = anybody to use?) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: (exotica) Coupons Date: 03 Aug 2000 08:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Nate I believe it was The Captain, Mark Head who first posted about http://i.am/deardeer to the list. It was truly amazing for years, especially at cdnow. The $5, $10, $20!!! coupons were always there for the taking. Then cdnow had its problems and they basically dried up. Amazon coupons are occasionally available at deardeer these days. One just expired Aug 1st. It was great while it lasted and saved me a bundle on the enormous number of exotica cds I purchased. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck --- Nathan Miner wrote:| > (Chuck, what was that deal with the $10 Amazon coupon?? Is this for > anybody to use?) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) droplift Date: 03 Aug 2000 20:38:19 +0200 william wrote: > WHAT IS THE DROPLIFT PROJECT? > > The idea came suddenly. > > Manufacture our own CDs, go into chain stores, and leave them in the > appropriate bins. Down among the established pop hits and top 40 > product, these CDs await those curious few who take them to the > counter. Way cool! And let's not forget the Kopyright Liberation Front, otherwise known as the Justified Ancients of Mumu! Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: (exotica) Harpsichord 2000 Date: 03 Aug 2000 11:44:57 -0700 (PDT) The Harpsichord 2000 comp has some fine beautiful killer modern soft pop tracks on it. I highly recommend it! I reviewed this on the list a few months back. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck > alan zweig wrote: > > > And while we're on that kind of music, what can you tell me about > > "Harpsichord 2000" or Valvola? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Risser" Subject: Fw: (exotica) More Napster Date: 03 Aug 2000 14:58:15 -0400 > What are you defining as a monolpolistic practice? I am supposing this is > refering to the idea that a company may be holding recordings by an artist > but may not be releasing or making them available to the public? You have to > understand that under the current system of producing CDs there is a level of > sales that have to be reached in order to make a product profitable. In > addition, record companies have to deal with retail outlets who cannot > possibly carry every release that is made avaialble. No,no,no. I'm not saying the record companies should immediately re-release their entire back catalog and lose money, just for the benefit of us consumers (though I wouldn't argue with 'em if they did!), nor am I suggesting they take the time and money to offer it to us digitally. What I am suggesting is that there are individuals who would willingly do that FOR the record companies, in exchange for some licensing fees, but that often times, record companies either charge exorbinantly high prices for licensing, or refuse to license altogether. I harken back to the comment made by Capitol about the Scamp/Denny reissues, how they said if they had known they would have been as popular, they wouldn't have licensed 'em to you. In this instance, it is indeed a monopoly. We as consumers have one and only one way to buy the music and that is however the record company deems to make it available, and how much they wish to charge. THAT'S the problem. You want one song, you cannot get one song. Not from MP3.com or anyone. Sony refuses to release that one song. OR, they release the one song, but charge 8 bucks for it. There are no choices. With a more open licensing structure, we as consumers could have a bevy of choices. Hi quality, low quality, digital, cassette, lots of liners, no liners, boxsets, cross-label retrospectives, even 8-track and vinyl if someone thought it appropriate. The artists would still get paid, the record companies would still get $$$, (but maybe not *quite* as much, though I doubt it) and the consumers would get choices. That's all I'm saying. Plus, it would give joints like Scamp records a means to do what they do the best without having to bow and scrape for the majors to open their vaults. > Record companies aren't purposely being the evil vilians > you are making them out to be Peter, you have to understand that they are > businesses and have to answer to shareholders, if they are publically owned, > or to the bottom-line to pay there bills. I got no problem with people making money. I just would like a choice in how I *buy* music. In the meantime, and you may think this juvenile, I see this as a "Boston Tea Party" so to speak. Not that there's any real comparison between fighting for freedom and such, but remember, the Tea Party started because we didn't feel like paying that much extra cash for tea, especially cash that was tacked on where we had no say in it. As for my comments about the record industry, I agree that I have never held a contract in my hands, nor am I a legal expert. I do read however, and that's where I've brought my understanding from. I will say, that while what you say is true, the companies do lose money on many artists, none of the arguments you made directly refuted my comment that even by selling many records, many artists do not see the results from their records they'd like. Also, much of my conversation was based on an article by Steve Albini, who HAS seen a record contract or too. http://www.negativland.com/albini.html is pretty interesting, and by my understanding of other folks who have worked in the industry, pretty representative. > I'll agree that there is a lot of music being produced and distributed on > these sites by artists, but Peter you surely can't make the statement that > these self-produced musical gems bringing in the crowds to mp3.com and > Napster. You know very well it is the big, signed-to-record-company name acts > that drive the traffic. Today, yeah. And that wasn't what I was responding to. In any case, I think that is the record companies rightful place in the digital world: promotion. IE: The fact that a label, be it Capitol or Touch and Go, picks up and finances an act, means something. Please understand, I am in no way advocating free music. I think all responsible parties should get paid. However, my concern is that due to monopolistic (yes there's that word again) distribution practices, they are getting far more than they would earn in a true free market, where fair and open licensing fees would allow large reissue companies (Rhino) and little bootleggers (who wouldn't be bootleggers anymore) the ability to produce as many copies and whatever formats, including digital, the market will allow. In the meantime, I have only two options to get most of the music I want. Either pay an average of eight dollars a song (2 "good" songs per CD) or get them free. For now, I go free. Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Giovanni Berti" Subject: (exotica) re: angel dust Date: 03 Aug 2000 21:26:37 +0000 > Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:53:33 -0500 > From: "Robert Blahut, Jr." > Subject: (exotica) some questions > > hi gang, > the first question i have, and i am wondering if anyone can answer this for > me. i have a tape (mixed) that a fair portion of came from a picture disk > entitled "angel dust" i don't have any song titles or artist's names - - > is anyone on the list familiar with this album? it seems to be a > collection of music from biker exploitation movies, i would like a list of > artists and song titles. I have it. Tracklisting goes: - Davie Allan & The Arrows: Blues Theme - Paul Wibier: Satan (Theme) - Harley Hatcher: The Chase Is On - East West Pipeline: Angels Die Hard - Randy Sparks & Jim Helms: By Force - Davie Allan & The Arrows: The Stompers And The Souls - Davie Allan & The Arrows: Cycle-Delic - Davie Allan & The Arrows: Mind Transferral - The Poor: Skip To My Mary J - Stu Phillips: Get It On - Arrows: Ghost Story - Hogs: Blues Theme Ciao Gionni # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JT Subject: (exotica) Minidisc CD-RW etc Date: 03 Aug 2000 14:45:04 -0600 >A DJ friend of mine bought a minidisk player and used it to >transfer a lot of his blues tapes onto minidisk. He claims that >the minidisks actually improved the sound. Something in the >way the sound was converted, taking away the tape hiss perhaps. >It sounds weird but I have no reason to doubt his claim. >Domenic Speaking professionally (I am a sound engineer....) Your DJ friend has unusual taste in what constitutes an improvement. A Minidisc has a maximum sampling rate of 32Khz (32,000 Hz). A CD has a maximum sampling rate of 44.1 Khz (44100 Hz). The human ear can hear a range between 20 Hz and 20 Khz. The sampling rate of a disc divided by 2 is the highest frequency a disc can reproduce. Therefore a CD can reproduce 22.05 Khz, or slightly higher than we can even hear. A Mini Disc can only reproduce 16 Khz - which trims the top end of the audible spetrum from 16.01 Khz to 20Khz off. We lose the high end on a Mini Disc. Your friend probably thinks the Mini Disc sounds 'better' becasue the Mini Disc can't reproduce the highest frequencies of the tape hiss of his original cassettes - but he is also trimming the highest frequencies of the music. James http://www.tydirium.net ... ... - www.tydirium.net: * Tydirium Multimedia * Left Orbit Temple * Blue Harvest * Tiki Bar Review Pages * Jazz Baby ...and my own weird ramblings and tour journals # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark D. Head" Subject: (exotica) RE: Mr. Spock! Date: 03 Aug 2000 14:58:28 -0500 Nate wrote: <> Most of the album isn't very good, but I gotta admit, I love the B-3 and voices on Music To Watch Space Girls By, and that Star Trek theme is given a pretty loungy treatment! -- Mark D. Head The Captain In Flight Entertainment http://www.jetsetair.com _______________________________________ It's the only way to fly! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark D. Head" Subject: (exotica) RE: Peter Thomas Easy Loungin' Collection Date: 03 Aug 2000 15:10:34 -0500 Nate wrote: <> Nate, I haven't listened to the whole Easy Loungin' CD in a long time, but I'll pull it out and go over it again. I do remember it has some great stuff on it, about 25 cuts in all if I recall correctly, including an *outstanding* bossa nova tune called "Slimfinado." Peter Thomas is hit and miss, to my ears. I have at least 5 or 6 of his releases, and there is some truly great stuff on 'em, but there's also quite a bit I don't care for at all. I'll do a quick review of "Easy Loungin'" and post it soon... -- Mark D. Head The Captain In Flight Entertainment http://www.jetsetair.com ___________________________________________ It's the only way to fly! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Minidisc CD-RW etc Date: 03 Aug 2000 16:38:44 EDT In a message dated 8/3/0 3:56:25 PM, tydirium@suba.com wrote: >Your friend probably thinks the Mini Disc sounds 'better' becasue the Mini >Disc can't reproduce the highest frequencies of the tape hiss of his >original cassettes - but he is also trimming the highest frequencies of the >music. Maybe this friend is a Lo-Fi kinda fella or just digs those long lost mids # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gingerich Subject: (exotica) Minidisc CD-RW etc Date: 03 Aug 2000 16:57:33 -0400 JT wrote: >>A Minidisc has a maximum sampling rate of 32Khz (32,000 Hz). I'm certainly not a technical expert on this stuff, but where do you find that information? the only info I'm finding is from Minidisc.org, which granted could be biased towards md's. this from Minidisc.org: Is there an audible difference between modern MD and CD/DAT? Since MD stores audio using a data reduction technique (see ATRAC, below) there are considerable differences between the audio signal from a CD and that of an MD digitally recorded from it. Whether or not these differences are audible however depends to a large degree upon who is doing the listening, most MD users consider the sound quality of modern MD equipment to be essentially the same as CD . But even those who can hear differences usually find them to be undisturbing and inconsequential, frequently being unable to say which is which. (Note that a proper A/B comparison of the two formats necessitates using the same DAC. If an outboard DAC is unavailable, or the MD unit (such as a portable) does not provide digital out, the MD unit's monitor mode can be used to do D/A conversion of external digital signals, thereby allowing comparison with a common DAC.) A ~small double-blind test made by the ABX Company found that subjects did not find a difference between ATRAC processed music and its original, but could readily spot the difference when a special test signal was used for the comparison. lates, pg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Fwd: (exotica) Minidisc CD-RW etc Date: 03 Aug 2000 14:18:22 -0700 (PDT) tydirium@suba.com wrote: > > Your friend probably thinks the Mini Disc sounds 'better' becasue >the Mini Disc can't reproduce the highest frequencies of the tape >hiss of his original cassettes - but he is also trimming the highest > frequencies of the music. This is what must be happening. and from DJ Jimmy: >Maybe this friend is a Lo-Fi kinda fella or just digs those long lost mids (minds Jimmy??) Besides blues he was doing Grateful Dead concert tapes. So who really needs those high ends when you are already high....... Could not resist. Domenic Ciccone "Martinis with Mancini" WJUL 91.5FM Friday’s 6-9AM EST http://www.geocities.com/martinimancini/ http://holman.cs.uml.edu:8080/ramgen/encoder/output.rm(On Real Audio if it's working) P.S. You Can Get Free Email & Homepages @ http://www.buzzlink.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dymaxia@ripco.com Subject: Re: (exotica) droplift Date: 03 Aug 2000 16:20:36 -0500 Moritz R wrote: > > william wrote: > > > WHAT IS THE DROPLIFT PROJECT? > > > > The idea came suddenly. > > > > Manufacture our own CDs, go into chain stores, and leave them in the > > appropriate bins. Down among the established pop hits and top 40 > > product, these CDs await those curious few who take them to the > > counter. > > Way cool! > > And let's not forget the Kopyright Liberation Front, otherwise known as the > Justified Ancients of Mumu! This is really eerie, because I've often fantasized about doing similar things. I've always had fantasies of creating fake musical history by distributing a homemade LP, complete with retro cover art (distressed to simulate age), and scattering about a hundred or so copies in the bins of local thrift stores. I've also thought of the CD thing, but CDs just don't stand out the way albums do - especially stores like Tower. I still think it's a hilarious concept, but the thing would have to be packaged and marked so that it would scan and all. That would mean making money for corporate chains, but then again, they wouldn't let anything out of the store if it didn't scan. Another idea I once had was to make fake products, often ridiculous products, and leaving them on the supermarket shelves. Or filling old shampoo bottles with various goo, and making labels for them with a lot of pseudoscientific "miracle remedy" language. -- Kerry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: (exotica) Napoleon XIV Date: 03 Aug 2000 14:32:32 -0700 (PDT) I have the 7 inch 45 in my collection somewhere and do you know whats on the back of it?? They're Coming To Take Me Away" backwards. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Giovanni Berti" Subject: (exotica) BBE Club and Music News Date: 04 Aug 2000 01:25:17 +0000 Club & Music News from BBE Clubs:Night people takes place every Friday At Bar Rumba, 36 Shaftesbury Av,London W1 9 pm - 4am =A310 / =A36 NUS or before 11 pm Aug 4th Kerri Chandler Aug 11th Kurtis Mantronix Aug 18th Jeremy Newall - Release The Groove Records Aug 25th Dimitri From Paris - Launch party for Disco Forever For Guest list , please e-mail 'peter@bbemusic.demon.co.uk Music: The website at http://www.bbemusic.co.uk now includes streamed realaudio so you can listen to current and past releases at your leisure without hanging around. In the pipeline are new features such as sample previews OF The MAW Tenth Anniversary Prt.2 (released September) and a Vinyl section. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Giovanni Berti" Subject: (exotica) Wah-Wah & RCA Date: 04 Aug 2000 01:26:08 +0000 Fellow listers, thought I would share this newsletter from the brilliant Wah-Wah label and shop (Barcelona, Spain). Once you may get there, you really must pay Jordi a visit: he has the best shop in the city and runs a cool lounge club too. Ola Gionni ------------- HI FOLKS, HERE'S SOME VERY INTERESTING NEWS REISSUED ON CD BY RCA, WITH WAH WAH'S ADVISE AND COLLABORATION. ALL THESE TITLES ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH WAH WAH DISTRIBUTION . 74321781692 CD HUGO MONTENEGRO INTERPRETS THE GENIUS OF STEVIE WONDER - HUGO IN WONDERLAND Often regarded as the companion piece to "Moog Power", this is his another electronic album. Here good old Hugo switches on the Moogs & Arps one more time for some vintage electronic action ! Our man arranges and conducts some of Stevie Wonder's most celebrated classics, taking the originals Recorded at RCA Victor's Music Center of the World, Hollywood in 1974. Personnel includes Larry Muhoberac (keyboards), Hal Blaine (drums) & John Montenegro (Arp Synthesizers program) amongst many others. Titles are: "Living for the City", "Too High", "Superstition", "You Are the Sunshine of My Life", "My Cherie Amour", "Higher Ground", "Don't You Worry 'bout a Thing", "Shoo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo-Da-Day", "You've Got It Bad, Girl", "All In Love Is Fair". OTHER HUGO MONTENEGRO TITLES AVAILABLE: 7432163705-2 MOOG POWER, 7432169503-2 LOVE THEME FROM THE GODFATHER, 7432169505-2 GOOD VIBRATIONS, 7432163819-2 ORIGINAL MUSIC FROM "THE MAN FROM U.N.C.L.E.", 74321781702 CD THE VOICES OF WALTER SCHUMANN - EXPLORING THE UNKNOWN Composed by soundtrack legend Leith Stevens (responsible for many great jazz-inflected scores such as "Private Hell 36" & "The Wild One"), "Exploring the Unknown" is another of those much sought after "Outer Space Exotica" records which flourished in the so-called Space Age. Forget what you've heard before from Walter Schumann's Voices, here they take us to an interplanetary trip from a rocket launching site somewhere in the Pacific islands to Venus and back to earth. Amongst the drifting instrumentals (which recalls Stevens soundtrack to for cult sci-fi flick "Destination Moon") and ethereal choruses you'll hear the deep & resonant voice of Paul Frees depicting our journey through outer space. A truly unique record. Recorded in 1955. 74321781712 CD SID BASS - FROM ANOTHER WORLD Originally released on RCA's budget subsidiary, Vik, this album's major claim to fame has been it's zany cover, depicting a happy-looking lady inside an astronaut helmet. Since it was pictured in "Incredibly Strange Music Vol.1" it has been featured on many a want list from collectors worldwide, not only for it's famous cover but from the selections contained inside. In typical Space Age fashion, twelve well-known standards are given the usual "outer space" treatment: unusual orchestrations, weird sound effects and great doses of echo & reverb... Everything you'll expect from a record like this. Recorded at Webster Hall, New York City, in June 1956. Titles are: "From Another World", "Old Devil Moon", "Out Of Nowhere", "Stormy Weather", "Ill Wind", "How High The Moon", "My Blue Heaven", "East of the Sun", "Star Dust", "The World Is Waiting for the Sunrise", "Cabin in the Sky", "Beyond the Blue Horizon". AND IN A NOT SO DISTANT FUTURE - MORE GEMS FROM THE RCA VAULTS.... BERNIE GREEN - FUTURA BERNIE GREEN & HIS STEREO MAD MEN - MUSICALLY MAD MARKKO POLO ADVENTURERS - ORIENTA NEAL HEFTI - BATMAN THEME & OTHERS (TELEVISION SERIES) BARRY GRAY- SPACE 1999 TV SOUNDTRACK HUGO MONTENEGRO & HIS ORCHESTRA - COME SPY WITH ME KONRAD ELFERS - ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK FROM FUNERAL IN BERLIN VIC MIZZY - ORIGINAL MUSIC FROM THE ADAMS FAMILY PEREZ PRADO & DON ALFIO - LOVE CHILD AL HIRT - THE HORN MEETS THE HORNET BRASIL AQUARIUS Y LUIS ANTONIO - SAME HUGO MONTENEGRO -OTHERS BY BROTHERS # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Calling Tiki Bob Date: 03 Aug 2000 19:20:46 EDT TB..e-mail me off list? Sorry for the intrusion foxe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Playlist for "Trance Cocktail Airlines" 8.3.00 Date: 03 Aug 2000 19:42:57 EDT "Trance Cocktail Airlines" airs on 88.1FM, WMBR M.I.T., Cambridge Wed. @ 10PM -----Yoshinori Sunahara-Theme From Takeoff----- Frank Barber-Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head Armando Trovajoli-Sun City Piero Umiliani-Luna De Miele (remix) Tipsy-Size 78-79-55-91 Potent Percussion-Old Cape Cod Jacknife Lee-Brown Glitter Cubismo Grafico-Moon Is Yours Ray Barretto-Babalu Berry Lipman-Planet Medora El Coco-Got That Feelin' Los Samplers-Wiken Tutto Matto-Polyrhythmics Chris Joss Orchestra-Bombay By Bus -----Berry Lipman-The Girls From Paramarimbo----- DJJimmy Botticelli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLarry3595@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: (exotica) More Napster / contracts Date: 03 Aug 2000 21:02:56 EDT In a message dated 8/3/00 3:02:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, risser@cinci.rr.com writes: << http://www.negativland.com/albini.html >> Thanks for the link to this article. FRIGHTENING! I recommend that anyone on the list who didn't get around to reading this the first time check it out. I have known bands who were screwed this way and as a result broke up from the humiliation and stress after years and years of hard work, just as the hard work was about to pay off (or did pay off for someone else.) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) droplift Date: 03 Aug 2000 21:35:41 -0400 >> WHAT IS THE DROPLIFT PROJECT? > >This is really eerie, because I've often fantasized about >doing similar things. At risk of sounding like a "me too", me too! A long-standing "if I were insanely rich" fantasy of mine is to record/manufacture an album and infiltrate it into thrift & flea bins across the continent. Bypassing the "new" marketplace altogether. No shrink wrap, of course. But should it have an inner sleeve? More authentic without one, perhaps (no wait, it should use mis-matched inner sleeves from other, imaginary records). In the more megalomaniacal versions of this daydream, the quantities are up there at a "Whipped Cream" level. And yes, if I were insanely rich, Sir Guy Grand would be my role model. if you want it... m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com http://ookworld.com/linkalog/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Jackson Subject: Re: (exotica) droplift Date: 04 Aug 2000 14:18:16 +1000 on 4/8/00 7:20 AM, dymaxia@ripco.com at dymaxia@ripco.com wrote: > I've always had fantasies of creating fake musical history > by distributing a homemade LP, complete with retro cover art > (distressed to simulate age), and scattering about a hundred > or so copies in the bins of local thrift stores. Pea Hicks did this with cassettes in thrift stores at one time according to the notes that came with his "Lucas and Friends..." CD. Philip -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) droplift Date: 04 Aug 2000 09:04:00 +0200 There was this artist's group I think it was in London 2 or 3 years ago, who secretly put thrift store clothes into the bins of a well-known elegant clothes warehouse, together with price tags. The swindle wasn't discovered for quite a while and the clothes sold really well. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: (exotica) 4/4 Willie Dynamite Date: 04 Aug 2000 10:36:51 +0100 what I get bored with is what sounds like the same 4/4 drum beat in countless techno songs. like they couldn't come up with anything a little more original. That is the point. The 4/4 beat is a 4/4 beat. You're not supposed to come up with anything original! Anyway, the Willie Dynamite soundtrack is very cool - a couple of soul numbers but mostly funky blax classic soundtrack material, including a great jews harp (anybody know any jews harp records, play a jews harp? know of its use in other records?) and bass breakdown, the superb Willie Chase with bongos and horn stabs all over the place and a boss cover to top it all off. Charlie Editor C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street London N1 8JD Tel: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 (direct) +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 (switchboard) Fax: +44 (0) 207 226 8586 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: (exotica) Les Baxter's Horror Date: 04 Aug 2000 12:08:18 +0100 Yo fess up homies. Who know dis soundtrack? Les Baxter - Black Sabbath? See it here: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=399303209 More Dunwich style? 1980 I notice. Charlie Editor C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street London N1 8JD Tel: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 (direct) +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 (switchboard) Fax: +44 (0) 207 226 8586 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dymaxia@ripco.com Subject: Re: (exotica) droplift Date: 04 Aug 2000 07:48:35 -0500 m.ace wrote: > > >> WHAT IS THE DROPLIFT PROJECT? > > > >This is really eerie, because I've often fantasized about > >doing similar things. > > At risk of sounding like a "me too", me too! > > A long-standing "if I were insanely rich" fantasy of mine is to > record/manufacture an album and infiltrate it into thrift & flea bins > across the continent. Bypassing the "new" marketplace altogether. No shrink > wrap, of course. But should it have an inner sleeve? More authentic without > one, perhaps (no wait, it should use mis-matched inner sleeves from other, No, you need the inner sleeve! In my fantasy, the inner sleeve is one of those that shows all the other LPs on that label - also fake, of course. I've always loved those sleeves. -- Kerry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) Orgeat.... Date: 04 Aug 2000 08:37:37 -0500 Nathan Miner wrote: > Is this that damn Almond syrup stuff?? It's actually almond and orange. > Could whoever re-post those comments to what are acceptable subsititutes directly to me again. Go to a coffee specialty store and look for the Italian flavoring syrups that they put into your non-whip, no-fat, double lattes with a twist of lemon. The most widely available brand is Torani. Orgeat is an actual Torani flavor. a 24oz. bottle should run you about 8 bucks. Cheers, and Bottoms Up! Matt Marchese mjmarch@charter.net http://reality.sgi.com/mattm_americas/ "Lucky Fruit, the dried corpse is horrible!" -Peacock King *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: RE: (exotica) Orgeat.... Date: 04 Aug 2000 14:51:50 +0100 Please dont mention drinking. Last night I seem to remember drinking a number of B52s - Kahlua on the bottom, Baileys in the middle and Cointreau on the top, three distinct layers of lethal alcoholic beverages. I am somewhat the worse for wear this afternoon. Exotica content: Does anybody know a soundtrack called Up the Down Staircase by Fred Karlin. Once recommended by Jack. Does that mean it's West Coast Jazz? And will it totally rock my world? And is it also a rekkid? What is a rekkid anyway? Also (always dangerous to pose more than one question in an exotica post, I know). The Conversation (Gene Hackman) apparently has a cool soundtrack. More anybody? Charlie Editor C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street London N1 8JD Tel: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 (direct) +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 (switchboard) Fax: +44 (0) 207 226 8586 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) droplift Date: 04 Aug 2000 09:07:14 -0500 A network of street poets droplifted their stuff. Printed and bound anthologies of their poems, marked with a $1 million price, and slipped them in shelves of chain bookstores and huge academic libraries. Was thinking about musicians who might have done this and Moondog seemed likely. Anyone know if he droplifted any of his self-produced recordings or scores? Thanks, Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Re: Up The Down. Date: 04 Aug 2000 10:15:20 EDT In a message dated 8/4/0 9:52:10 AM, charlesm@mdi-uk.com wrote: >Does anybody know a soundtrack called Up the Down >Staircase by Fred Karlin. Once recommended by Jack. Does that mean it's >West Coast Jazz? And will it totally rock my world? More anybody? I remember "Up The Down Starecase" as a PBS-like TV show based on the bestselling book of the late 6T's which sort of outlined the humorous side of the various catch-22 situations often found within public schools. The music, I vaguely recall, had a now-sound/TV comedy edge to it..Zany is a word that comes to mind...I don't recall a soundtrack, but that means little..Hope that helps a little. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: (exotica) RE: Up The Down. Date: 04 Aug 2000 15:21:50 +0100 The man JimmyB says: "I remember "Up The Down Staircase" as a PBS-like TV show based on the bestselling book of the late 6T's which sort of outlined the humorous side of the various catch-22 situations often found within public schools. The music, I vaguely recall, had a now-sound/TV comedy edge to it..Zany is a word that comes to mind...I don't recall a soundtrack, but that means little..Hope that helps a little." There is a soundtrack and I see it on EBay quite often but I'm wondering if I should bid on Jack's recommendation or find out more...... Charlie Editor C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street London N1 8JD Tel: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 (direct) +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 (switchboard) Fax: +44 (0) 207 226 8586 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) RE: Up The Down. Date: 04 Aug 2000 10:35:39 EDT In a message dated 8/4/0 10:21:57 AM, charlesm@mdi-uk.com wrote: >There is a soundtrack and I see it on EBay quite often but I'm wondering >if I should bid on Jack's recommendation or find out more...... Say what U will about Jack, the man has good taste in tunes. I'd get something on his recommendation. Hope that helps a little more # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Travel to Kahiki Klosing Date: 04 Aug 2000 10:49:43 EDT I'm planning to drive to the Kahiki Klosing. I will leave Boston on Friday morning, August 25 and return Sunday, August 27. Anyone wanna help out with tolls, gas, etc.?...E-Mail me off list please...JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Br. Cleve" Subject: RE: (exotica) Up the Down. Date: 04 Aug 2000 11:34:00 -0400 At 2:51 PM +0100 8/4/00, Charles Moseley wrote: >Exotica content: Does anybody know a soundtrack called Up the Down >Staircase by Fred Karlin. Once recommended by Jack. Does that mean it's >West Coast Jazz? And will it totally rock my world? It's been a biggie in certain circles for several years because of one killer track, "You're Hip, Miss Pastorfield", a tenor sax led Now Sound a go-go track with a killer drum break. [Nicola Conte's head nearly exploded when I played this at LoungeFest 2000]. I first saw it listed in a Japanese book on groovy records about a decade ago. The rest of the album is cool too, in that late 60's breezy, jazzy kind of way. Issued in limited quantities in 1968, a tough record to find. br cleve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marco \\\"Kallie\\\" Kalnenek" Subject: (exotica) Sun Ra extravaganza Date: 04 Aug 2000 19:11:03 +0200 August 3, 2000 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE SUN RA'S OTHER-WORLDLY CAREER DOCUMENTED ON FIVE CDs Series By Evidence Music Chronicles Sun Ra's History Through His Own El Saturn Label; Also, Rare Philly Jazz Recording Is Rescued CONSHOHOCKEN, Pa. ? Evidence Music is readying a highly-anticipated series of five CD packages, including a 2-CD box of unreleased albums, by Sun Ra, the colorful jazz bandleader whose association with interplanetary travel, ancient Egypt, and big band and electronic keyboard innovation made him one of the 20th Century's most influential and eccentric musical icons. Included in the series are When Angels Speak Of Love by Sun Ra & His Myth Science Arkestra; The Great Lost Sun Ra Albums: Cymbals & Crystal Spears (2 CD set) by Sun Ra & His Arkestra; Pathways To Unknown Worlds/Friendly Love by Sun Ra & His Astro Infinity Arkestra; Greatest Hits: Easy Listening For Intergalactic Travel by Sun Ra & His Arkestra; and Lanquidity by Sun Ra & his Arkestra. Street date for all five CDs is September 26, 2000. Evidence has been working on the series for four years - since issuing its award-winning Sun Ra compilation The Singles in 1996. All but Lanquidity emanate from Sun Ra's own label, El Saturn Records. All packages contain extensive liner notes, historical documentation and photographs. Easily one of the oddest personalities in the history of jazz, the bandleader, composer and keyboardist known as Sun Ra claimed to be an extraterrestrial from the planet Saturn. Actually born Herman "Sonny" Blount in Birmingham, Alabama in 1914, he studied music at Alabama A&M University and became a big-band leader in his home town. Eventually, he moved to Chicago where he would write arrangements for Fletcher Henderson, change his name to Le Sony'r Ra, and start his first "Arkestra" with saxophonists and band members-for-life John Gilmore, Marshall Allen and Pat Patrick. In the mid and late '50s, he prolifically recorded 45s and LPs for his own Saturn label, even accompanying and writing arrangements for doo-wop groups. His earliest albums were for Transition Records and later Delmark Records in 1957. In 1961, he moved to New York where he continued to record for El Saturn and the indie ESP-Disk label. Sun Ra continued his extensive concert date schedule into the early '90s, and even got as far as signing with A&M Records. He left this planet on May 30, 1993, but his music remains an ongoing source of wonderment and inspiration for all who discover it, as it was for musicians as diverse as George Clinton, Sonic Youth and Phish. Thanks to Evidence Music's reissue program ? five important new CDs in addition to 16 earlier reissues ? his most important music continues to become available for future generations. The five Evidence Music reissues are as follows: o Sun Ra & His Myth Science Arkestra ? When Angels Speak Of Love This album, originally recorded in 1963 and released in 1966, is the rarest of Sun Ra's self-released albums on his own El Saturn label. Only a handful of the original pressing still remain. The album was recorded during Sun Ra's New York residency ? considered by many to be his richest period. This reissue preserves what has been a lost artifact from the "New Thing" revolution in jazz in New York City's Greenwich Village in the mid-'60s. o Sun Ra & His Arkestra ? The Great Lost Sun Ra Albums: Cymbals and Crystal Spears (2 CDs) This 2-CD box is comprised of two albums originally intended for release on ABC's Impulse Records but never issued. After Impulse abruptly ended a licensing agreement with Sun Ra's El Saturn label, the two unreleased album masters were boxed up and returned to Saturn, where they languished in obscurity for the next 27 years. Evidence has remixed the original four-track tapes down to two-track stereo. Former Impulse Records head Ed Michel wrote the notes, which chronicle the short, strange history of Sun Ra's major label tenure. o Sun Ra & His Astro Infinity Arkestra ? Pathways To Unknown Worlds / Friendly Love This package combines two LPs on one CD. Pathways was originally released on vinyl in the mid-'70s at the very end of Sun Ra's relationship with Impulse and remained in print for less than one year. Evidence has remixed the original four track tapes and has added a track that was intended for the original album but omitted for technical reasons that have now been corrected. Like Cymbals and Crystal Spears, Friendly Love is an early '70s album that is being released for the first time. Sun Ra biographer John Szwed wrote the liner notes, and provides an in-depth glimpse into Sun Ra's recording and Evidence's mastering techniques. o Sun Ra & His Arkestra ? Greatest Hits: Easy Listening For Intergalactic Travel Of course Sun Ra never had "hits" per se. But for those wondering where to begin when buying their first Sun Ra album, this is it! Greatest Hits contains tracks from 15 different El Saturn Ra albums, one movie soundtrack and two 45 singles spanning the artist's peak period ? 1956-73. These "easy to listen to" tracks have proven to be among the most popular with Sun Ra fans, and demonstrate Ra's evolution and innovations during this period. They were also selected for their musical "accessibility" ? relatively speaking, of course. o Sun Ra & His Arkestra ? Lanquidity Lanquidity has become the most valuable of all Sun Ra albums, vinyl copies presently fetching $400 or more ? despite the fact that it was originally released in 1978. The album was originally on the "micro-label" Philly Jazz, owned by a Philadelphia recording engineer who knew Sun Ra from his live performances on University of Pennsylvania's WXPN. The album has become a much in demand rarity among the ranks of acid jazz DJs throughout the world. Liner notes by Echoes' John Diliberto focus on Sun Ra's years as a Philadelphia resident. For audiophiles, Evidence has employed the HDCD software and A/D converter to bring this rare recording to compact disc. Evidence Music co-owner Jerry Gordon is a long-time fan of Sun Ra, having known the artist since the early '70s. "I first heard an album by Sun Ra in a dorm room of a friend at the University of Chicago in the late '60s, and knew immediately that his music was profound and important," he says. "After college, I returned to my hometown of Philadelphia where Sun Ra had moved from New York, and I went to see him perform in the basement of a church on the campus of the University of Pennsylvania. The show, complete with dancers and psychedelic light show, was like nothing I had ever experienced. I kept looking around to see if anybody else was actually seeing what I was seeing. And it was the beginning of my lifetime love affair with the music of Sun Ra. "In 1972, I opened up Third Street Jazz, a retail record store which became a mecca for jazz and R&B enthusiasts. A wall in my store was devoted to the 'cosmic' and often hand-painted jackets of limited pressing Sun Ra recordings that I bought from Ra through his right-hand-man, baritone saxophonist Danny Thompson. For me, it was like retailing the Holy Grail or the Dead Sea Scrolls ? at $3.99 apiece! "It is this love for Sun Ra's music," Gordon concludes, "that the many liner note writers, designers, photographers, engineers and I have brought to these reissues." Marco "Kallie" Kalnenek weirdomusic@wxs.nl +--------------------------------------------+ Record Collector's Heaven http://weirdomusic.freeservers.com +--------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLarry3595@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) RE: Up The Down. Date: 04 Aug 2000 18:24:32 EDT I've got this soundtrack and I like it very much. Larry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BasicHip@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Up the Down. Date: 04 Aug 2000 21:36:02 EDT another thumbs up vote for this one. Two thumbs up. Unlike some soundtracks, it is strong track after track. Br Cleve describes it to a "T". Jack's recommendations can always be trusted. I check into ebay on a daily basis and - while I was looking for it - went for months without ever seeing it come up. But that was then...Anyway, fellow listee Brian Phillips turned me onto a web site that had it for sale and i found it that way. i was about 13 when this movie came out and had this weird sexual fixation on Sandy Dennis...something about her... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica) Up the Down (Circle the Line-rs) Date: 04 Aug 2000 23:25:54 -0400 >I check into ebay on a daily basis and - while I was looking for it - went >for months without ever seeing it come up. But that was then...Anyway, >fellow listee Brian Phillips turned me onto a web site that had it for sale >and i found it that way. Aww, gee! Thanks for the public acknowledgement. I know what it's like to find a record that you have been looking for. For others (myself included) who don't have this here are the liner notes by Fred Karlin, which I found at http://www.gr8music.com/Karlin,_Fred/karlin.html "I was there. The excitement and vitality of Calvin Coolidge High School was all around me, grabbing me with its special combination of humor, pathos and human nature. I was drawn right into the hectic hallways. I saw Alice Blake open her sweet, innocent heart, and I watched sadly as Mr. Barringer shattered her illusions into nearly invisible fragments (Yesterday's Dream). I tried to speak for Joe Ferone, but found that only a rhythm would help to bridge the communication gap that existed between him and the world as he saw it. And I remained mute while routine formalities seemed to slow down the educational process to a standstill. Miss Barrett, teaching for the first time in this large metropolitan high school, brought with her a quiet but insistent lilt as yet untouched by the world she was entering (First Impressions). Unnerved by the tempo of the students (Hot Stuff), she attempted to communicate with them without any perceptible success. Alice defined life in terms of love (Love Is Everything) and Joe couldn't except Miss Barrett's good intentions as genuine (Prove It, Teach). Students and faculty alike appeared to be totally inflexible in their thought patterns. I admired Miss Barrett's intense determination to reach her students. She had ample reason for discouragement. A directive to the infirmary stated that "wounds shall not be touched," but she persisted nonetheless, coping with an excess of administrative mumbo jumbo (March of the Mimeographs). It was her determination that brought her to grips with the challenge many chose to ignore. While Henrietta Pastorfield was teaching "Hospital Spelling," Miss Barrett was spiritually reaching out her hand to say she cared. Joe Ferone never was able to believe her sincere concern (Blues For Joe), but others, like Jose, were experiencing a newly-developed self-esteem. Amidst the hustle and bustle of everyday school life, Miss Barrett ultimately realized that touching even one life was worth all the frustration and grief that is the inevitable result of going up the down staircase." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Penna Subject: RE: (exotica) Minidisc CD-RW etc Date: 04 Aug 2000 21:16:46 -0700 I'd bet that most people would find the convenience of making a MiniDisc vs. a CD-R no contest at all. I'd bet that most people would find the flexibility of MiniDisc vs. cassette tape no contest at all. I'd bet that most people would find the difference in sound quality between MiniDisc and a CD-R of the same material to be subtle in a critical comparison and negligible for casual listening. I prefer to archive my material (in my case, reel-to-reel tapes) on CD-R, but it's a time-consuming hassle. I've given up on cassette tape, except to make copies of my MiniDisc comps, since my car doesn't have an MD player. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graham Newton Subject: (exotica) Re: Minidisc CD-RW etc Date: 05 Aug 2000 00:22:41 -0400 On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 at 14:45 JT said to the exotica list... on the subject: Minidisc CD-RW etc > Speaking professionally (I am a sound engineer....) > > A Minidisc has a maximum sampling rate of 32Khz (32,000 Hz). I'm afraid James needs to brush up on MiniDisc info. It is 44.1 kHz, same as a CD, CDr or CD-rw, at least, that's what Tascam writes in their manual for the MD-301-mkII MiniDisk deck. Even professionals can get it wrong. ... Graham Newton -- Audio Restoration by Graham Newton, http://www.audio-restoration.com World class professional services applied to phonograph and tape recordings for consumers and re-releases, featuring CEDAR processes. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Giovanni Berti" Subject: Re: (exotica) Wah-Wah & RCA Date: 05 Aug 2000 13:55:30 +0000 > From: "Marco \\\"Kallie\\\" Kalnenek" > To: "Exotica" , > Subject: Re: (exotica) Wah-Wah & RCA > Do they have a website (I searched, but didn't find it), or is there > another good online source for ordering these Spanish RCA issues? I think you can order them directly at "wah-wah" Ciao Gionni # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cheryl Subject: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, August 6 Date: 05 Aug 2000 13:36:52 -0500 Beyond kitsch, Space Bop is one hour of full galactical wonder, and can be heard every Sunday from 4 to 5 pm Eastern time on CKUT 90.3 FM in Montreal, Canada, and on RealAudio (real time only, for now) at: http://www.ckut.ca As usual, all comments, questions, and feedback welcome. Space Bop #104 Can You Dig It? This week, we're playing some cool tunes, most of which feature interesting samples. And we even have Canadian Content (yes, it does happen sometimes!). The Tiki Tones: Il Vespa "The Leisure Experiment" (Thanks, Atlas) Scott Drysdale & The Vandalay Rhythm Section: Kenya Diggit "Vinyl o.s.t." (Thanks, Nat - kiss kiss ;-) Kid Koala: Barhopper 1 "Carpal Tunnel Syndrome" DJ Me DJ You: El Pollo Amante "Rainbows And Robots" Stock, Hausen & Walkman: Pizza Hut "Organ Transplants Vol. 2" Senor Coconut Y Su Conjunto: Expo 2000 "Tour De France" Scott Drysdale & The Vandalay Rhythm Section: Ricardo Autobahn "Vinyl o.s.t." DJ Me DJ You: Familiar Unfamiliar "Rainbows And Robots" A Certain Frank: Space Flower "Michelangelo In Space" Tipsy: Oops! "Trip Tease" Mr. Scruff: Get A Move On "Keep It Unreal" Stereo de Luxe: Lunar Hilton (from promo tracks and demos) The Tiki Tones: Music To Watch Girls By "The Leisure Experiment" Thanks for reading. cheryls@dsuper.net brian@phyres.lan.mcgill.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darrell Brogdon" Subject: (exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour Date: 05 Aug 2000 12:40:31 -0500 This week's Retro Cocktail Hour webcast is an all-new show featuring groovy tunes from Claus Ogerman's "Latin Rock", "Moog Espana" by Sid Bass and The Three Suns' famous "Fever and Smoke". There's '50s exotica by the Jazz City Workshop (with a smokin' hot solo by Jack Costanzo) and organist Jack Cooper; new stuff from Dusty Trails, Arling and Cameron and Dead Ringer; plus tunes by Stan Kenton (from his Afro-Cuban classic "Cuban Fire"), Mongo Santamaria, Kenyon Hopkins, Les Baxter and Michel Magne's over-the-top "Tropical Fantasy"; and another hip fable from "Tales of Manhattan" by Babs Gonzales. To hear The Retro Cocktail Hour on the web, just visit: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Or tune in for the live STEREO webcast Saturday at 7:00pm USA Central time at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/realaudio/index.htm As always, your comments, suggestions and requests are welcome. Next week: Lalo Schifrin's "Bullitt"! Thanks for the space. Darrell Brogdon dbrogdon@ukans.edu The Retro Cocktail Hour KANU Radio Broadcasting Hall The University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045 Visit The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Listen to The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retrolisten.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chuck Collazzi" Subject: (exotica) an old low-tech fart speaks Date: 05 Aug 2000 17:10:21 -0400 I've been reading all the posts about Napster, and reminiscing about the days when: 1- Music became popular because the melodies and/or harmonies were skillfully crafted by real musicians, (not posers and costumed choreography, not scratchers and samplers, not casting-call gymnast-pretty boys) 2- People that played music understood the beauty of understatement, didn't try to fill up every measure with every hackneyed lick they ever copied off somebody else's recording, understood dynamics and the concept that silence is an important element in music.... 3- Instrumentals didn't involve hypnotic repetition of one riff over and over and over and over and over again etc. 4- Lyrics were suggestive, provocative, understated, imaginative, clever, presented old ideas in innovative ways, and didn't need to be hostile for lack of anything interesting to say... 5- Creativity didn't mean finding new ways to abuse a musical instrument. 6- When a musician was asked "What do you play?", the answer wasn't "A Marshall stack"....when musicians got together to chat, it was likely to be about chord changes to an old standard, and rarely if ever about equipment.... 7- When pre-teenagers finally became adults, they stopped listening to pre-teenage music..... Oh well, that's just me.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bobbyspacetroup" Subject: (exotica) Martin Denny In "Forbidden Island" / exotica @ imdb Date: 06 Aug 2000 02:11:32 -0500 Hey folks... So has anybody seen the 1959 film "Forbidden Island" in which Martin Denny appears as "Marty"? How long does Denny appear and is it worth tracking down? Is he a good actor? What about Les Baxter's "Tanga Tiki" from 1953? Looks like a documentary/ethnography (short?) for which Baxter did the score. Did any of Baxter's film scores compare with his Exotica stuff? Perhaps "Jungle Heat" or "Voodoo Island"? I was just poking around the internet movie database and these items caught my eye. After querying search engines for more info, I thought I'd ask here. Any info appreciated... Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) an old low-tech fart speaks Date: 06 Aug 2000 10:23:29 +0200 Chuck Collazzi wrote: > I've been reading all the posts about Napster, and reminiscing about the > days when: > > 1- Music became popular because the melodies and/or harmonies were > skillfully crafted by real musicians, (not posers and costumed choreography, > not scratchers and samplers, not casting-call gymnast-pretty boys) > 2- People that played music understood the beauty of understatement, didn't > try to fill up every measure with every hackneyed lick they ever copied off > somebody else's recording, understood dynamics and the concept that silence > is an important element in music.... > 3- Instrumentals didn't involve hypnotic repetition of one riff over and > over and over and over and over again etc. > 4- Lyrics were suggestive, provocative, understated, imaginative, clever, > presented old ideas in innovative ways, and didn't need to be hostile for > lack of anything interesting to say... > 5- Creativity didn't mean finding new ways to abuse a musical instrument. > 6- When a musician was asked "What do you play?", the answer wasn't "A > Marshall stack"....when musicians got together to chat, it was likely to be > about chord changes to an old standard, and rarely if ever about > equipment.... > 7- When pre-teenagers finally became adults, they stopped listening to > pre-teenage music..... > > Oh well, that's just me.... Well said, but no, it isn't just you. I know what you mean. Only who do you want to blame for the changes? Music had to develop, the old patterns were used in all kinds of thinkable ways. The messages of the elder generations did not speak to the younger. New technologies offered new possibilities, some musicians did handle them in pleasant ways, many did not. Just recently I find new musicians and bands trying to create a music that could live up to your 7 commandments... it's up to you to sort the pearls from the swines... This and other music lists should help. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) OT, iMac> Re: more questions, somewhat off topic Date: 05 Aug 2000 19:13:40 +0200 if you get an iMac, you won't need an audio card, the audio digitizing stuff is built-in... unless you want really high end pro audio quality. the hard disk inside your iMac is big enough too, if you stick with 1 or 2 CD-R projects at a time. if you buy a burner, it comes with software to burn CDs (usually Adaptect Toast) but not always with software to record audio! you should get Bias Peak LE to record and edit audio ($99) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: Peter Thomas "Easy Loungin" Date: 05 Aug 2000 19:36:56 +0200 below is a re-post of a mini review of this cd. "Easy Loungin" duplicates with Scamp's (HIGHLY recommended, folks!) "Futuremuzik" though, so if you already have "Futuremuzik" it's not really worth it. However, the "Landing on the Moon" track comes from the "Raumpatrouille" soundtrack, which was reissued in 1999, and i'm putting my review of that one below too. for label and catalog details, Visit the "eXotica Releases Overview": http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/1936/disq/disq.htm Easy Loungin: This ain't no "easy listening": this is the "hard rock" of EZ! Loud, fast and mean, with a screaming woman to start it off and electric bass mixed up front. "Woow-factor" 10! Tracks: Space Patrol; Twiggy Beat; Der Hexer; Mister Unbekannt; Take It Jerry; Like To Get To Know You; Pardon Me Mrs. Carmen; Die Gruft mit dem Raetselschloss; Gente; Pizzicato-Leo; Mars Close Up (from the "Raumpatrouille" soundtrack); Verraeter; Monster; Der Gorilla von Soho; Landing On The Moon; Slimfinado; Andante Novembra; Big Boss; The World is Gone; Till The Blue Moon. Raumpatrouille: This is the original soundtrack to the 1966 German TV series "Raumpatrouille". Relatively unknown outside of Germany, Peter Thomas produced film and television scores, production music and a number of easy listening pop albums. Just like Ennio Morricone, he uses lots of different sounds, styles, instrumentations and effects. Some of the music here reminds me of the "10th Victim" and "7 Golden Men" soundtracks. It is at the same time very original and rather eclectic, with quite some variation, like, lots of different styles and atmospheres: spy jazz, bossa nova, lullabies.; different sounds & instruments: church and other organs, synths, harpsichord, wordless vocals, strings, brass, woodwinds. The catchy "Space Patrol" theme starts of with German countdown through a vocoder, the use of which went on to become sort of a trademark for Giorgio Moroder, a member of the Peter-Thomas-Sound-Orchester. "Shub-a-dooe" is a soft, heavenly but strange scatted lullaby. "Love In Space" has a dark and moody sax solo, and then explodes onto angst laden brass and percusion. Actually, most of the stuff here is very tense, and spreads an atmosphere of suspense and danger. One of my favorite soundtracks! Johan ----- > >Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 10:57:03 -0400 >From: "Nathan Miner" >Subject: (exotica) Easy Loungin' > >What about this Peter Thomas CD - is it good throughout? > >Heard "Landing on the Moon" and dug it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: Minidisc CD-RW etc Date: 05 Aug 2000 19:52:16 +0200 JT wrote: >A Minidisc has a maximum sampling rate of 32Khz (32,000 Hz) according of the manual of my MD, the sampling rate is 44.1 Khz... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: Napoleon XIV 7 inch 45 Date: 06 Aug 2000 11:42:21 +0200 yes!!!! and everything on the label is printed backwards too :-) (or was it mirrored?) Johan ----- chuck wrote: > >I have the 7 inch 45 in my collection somewhere and do you know whats on the >back of it?? > >They're Coming To Take Me Away" backwards. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chuck Collazzi" Subject: Re: (exotica) an old low-tech fart speaks Date: 06 Aug 2000 12:59:30 -0400 MoritzR wrote: Thank you! > Well said, but no, it isn't just you. I know what you mean. Only who do you want > to blame for the changes? Leo Fender? ;) More than anybody, he made participation in music creation (avoidance of the term "composition" is intentional) accessible to zillions of people who had no business playing music (remember: contrary to popular notions, music was taken very seriously in the past; it wasn't just another commodity like underarm deodorant and fast food.) > Music had to develop, the old patterns were used in > all kinds of thinkable ways. Well, it seems that technology has developed, not music. Music is regressing. You could tune in to the current culture day and night and not hear a piece of music more "developed" than a Chris Connor backed-by-a-trio ballad from the 50's. > The messages of the elder generations did not speak > to the younger. Yes, but the "younger" eventually grew up and turned their attention to more substantial musical forms....now it seems that the majority of adults are mired in perpetual adolescence (musically and otherwise!!) > New technologies offered new possibilities, some musicians did > handle them in pleasant ways, many did not. Just recently I find new musicians > and bands trying to create a music that could live up to your 7 commandments... Yes, but.... Where are the Richard Rodgerses, Michel Legrands, Jimmy Webbs, Paul Simons, Cole Porters, George Martins, Maurice Ravels, Charles Minguses, Dinah Washingtons, Roland Hannas, Dave Brubecks, Stan Getzes, Richards (Wagner & Strauss), Oscar Petersons, Giacomo Puccinis, Thelonious Monks etc etc etc of this generation? I attended the NAMM show in L.A. last year and couldn't help but notice the scarcity of products marketed for a skilled individual musician playing a traditional musical instrument. Is a person a "musician" just because he/she owns an instrument? It would seem so, nowadays. > it's up to you to sort the pearls from the swines... This and other music lists > should help. > I apologize if I sound contentious, but I teach music privately and at the university level and am dismayed. Your comments are appreciated. The Exotica list is often a glimmer of sanity (but not always! ;) ) C # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Napoleon XIV 7 inch 45 Date: 06 Aug 2000 13:19:30 EDT In a message dated 8/6/0 6:00:41 AM, Quiet@village.uunet.be wrote: >They're Coming To Take Me Away" backwards. The famous duet by Amy Camus and Yawa Emekat? Oy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica) an old low-tech fart speaks Date: 06 Aug 2000 13:37:58 -0700 (PDT) As a 41 year mystified by the music being promoted today I sometimes feel the way you do Chuck. I was a boy when the phrase “don’t trust anyone over 30” came out and I’ve tried to be more opened minded than my dad and his attitude towards the hippie long hair days. But good music can be found and there is always those of the “younger” generation who will look back to those who came before and learn from them. These are usually the ones who create something worth listening too. P.S. You Can Get Free Email & Homepages @ http://www.buzzlink.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christine Karkow Subject: Re: (exotica) orgeat Date: 06 Aug 2000 15:06:55 -0700 We always can find orgeat at our local likker store, Ben's Liquor here in Reno. Christine # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stephen W. Worth" Subject: (exotica) Minidisk And High Frequencies Date: 06 Aug 2000 16:51:08 -0700 >Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:45:04 -0600 >From: JT >Subject: (exotica) Minidisc CD-RW etc > >>A DJ friend of mine bought a minidisk player and used it to >>transfer a lot of his blues tapes onto minidisk. He claims that >>the minidisks actually improved the sound. Something in the >>way the sound was converted, taking away the tape hiss perhaps. >>It sounds weird but I have no reason to doubt his claim. > >Your friend probably thinks the Mini Disc sounds 'better' becasue the Mini >Disc can't reproduce the highest frequencies of the tape hiss of his >original cassettes - but he is also trimming the highest frequencies of the >music. If the blues he transferred were originally from a 78 source, odds are the music didn't extend up into the higher frequencies. I snip off the top end would only cut out surface noise. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 415 E. Harvard St. Ste. 204 Glendale, CA 91205 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica) Minidisk And High Frequencies Date: 06 Aug 2000 19:05:49 -0700 (PDT) From Steve, >If the blues he transferred were originally from a 78 source, odds >are the music didn't extend up into the higher frequencies. I snip >off the top end would only cut out surface noise. My friend has been doing the Blues show here at WJUL for the last 20 years and has a lot of groups come on and do live gigs. He's taped all these shows over the years and has been putting these tapes on the mini disks. I believe he played one of these "from the vaults" recordings today, maybe re-recorded from the original tape. Sounded fine while I was in the truck going to the liquor store. (had a family party and am pissed (drunk) right now...can you tell??) I would never bother with mini-disks now that I have a CD-RW drive anyways....make a mistake and your only out 50 cents. Plus you can play it anywhere. the home, the office, the car... As thinkmatic would say...( and he's off the list for a bit) you have to be a dog to tell the difference. And it may be true that you are missing some of the high end but your mind adjusts quicky to the sound quality and you just focus on the music. Like with those all Billie Holiday and Caruso recordings. As as Steve mentioned about the 78's....The high end would just be surface noise...so get rid of it and enjoy the music. Domenic Ciccone "Martinis with Mancini" WJUL 91.5FM Friday’s 6-9AM EST http://www.geocities.com/martinimancini/ http://holman.cs.uml.edu:8080/ramgen/encoder/output.rm(On Real Audio. Temporarily disabled) P.S. You Can Get Free Email & Homepages @ http://www.buzzlink.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) Bernie Krause on A&E Date: 07 Aug 2000 00:05:43 -0400 I didn't get the context because my girlfriend was watching the show on headphones (I was supposed to be working and she didn't want to disturb me...) But anyway, tonight on A&E there was this show about whales - or maybe not - and they were interviewing this "acoustics expert" by the name of Bernie Krause. I bet it's the same Bernie Krause from Beaver and Krause. He looked about the right age - early fifties. And you could see how a moog player might have to branch out into recording whale sounds or becoming an expert in sounds. So, can anyone confirm or deny? Did anyone see him and have the same reaction? Is anyone avoiding their work like I am right now? Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) an old low-tech fart speaks Date: 07 Aug 2000 11:50:25 +0200 Chuck Collazzi wrote: > Yes, but.... > Where are the Richard Rodgerses, Michel Legrands, Jimmy Webbs, Paul Simons, > Cole Porters, George Martins, Maurice Ravels, Charles Minguses, Dinah > Washingtons, Roland Hannas, Dave Brubecks, Stan Getzes, Richards (Wagner & > Strauss), Oscar Petersons, Giacomo Puccinis, Thelonious Monks etc etc etc of > this generation? Yes, where are they? There where always times in music history where close to nothing new happened. Maybe we go through such a period now. Maybe you were just better in *composing*, when you still had to learn *playing* an instrument. I guess Mike Ace would agree here, no? > I apologize if I sound contentious, but I teach music privately and at the > university level and am dismayed. Your comments are appreciated. > The Exotica list is often a glimmer of sanity (but not always! ;) Oh, I liked your post very much. After all the technical/political debates it was a relief to read a touching impressionistic view of the essentials of music. Should happen more often. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) audio formats Date: 07 Aug 2000 11:51:55 +0200 My friend Bernd just told me about an experimant they made recently with all kinds of musicians, music journalists, university music professors, sound engineers and the like. These people were blindfold-tested with the contemporary audio standards, MP3, Mini Disc, CD, even audio cassette etc. The result of the test was that nobody could really distinguish between those formats. It all seems to be a myth. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Taub Subject: (exotica) Theremin in a briefcase Date: 07 Aug 2000 14:08:09 -0400 Can be yours for $1,099.95 thru Hammacher Schlemmer. Don't know if this = has been mentioned before. And I'm not an agent of or affiliated with H/S.= Anyway, it's actually kinda cool looking. I wonder what it be like = carrying it thru luggage check and having the guard ask you to prove its = not some type of bomb. Full description is at hammacher.com. Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Fondle Subject: Re: (exotica) Theremin in a briefcase Date: 07 Aug 2000 12:05:27 -0700 (PDT) --- Eric Taub wrote: > > Can be yours for $1,099.95 thru Hammacher Schlemmer. > Don't know if this has been mentioned before. And > I'm not an agent of or affiliated with H/S. Anyway, > it's actually kinda cool looking. I wonder what it > be like carrying it thru luggage check and having > the guard ask you to prove its not some type of > bomb. > Full description is at hammacher.com. > Eric That does seem cool! I am still a big fan of my Big Briar, the kit which sells for $149. Oscillating happily, Jane Fondle ===== "It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter Buy the debut release from Astroslut: LOVE AT ZERO G at: http://cdalley.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hemmel@gmx.net Subject: (exotica) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: 07 Aug 2000 21:48:24 +0200 (MEST) Just get a flyer with this info: SUNNY - A Collection Of Various Interpretations incl. Arthur Lyman Group Bobby Hebb Dusty Springfield Robert Mitchum Georgie Fame Jimmy Smith Cher Nancy Wilson Stanley Turrentine Booker T. & The MG`s John Schroeder Orchestra Stan Kenton Herbie Mann & Tamiko Jones Andy Williams The Ventures Wilson Pickett A Record Release by: Trocadero Records and ROOF Music Format: LP (TR 20243) / CD (TR 20242) Release date: 14.08.2000 distributed by: GER - TIS / WSM A - Ixthuluh CH - Disctrade ROOFMusic-Mailorder-Shop http://www.sunny-the-song.de/ by Martin -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: itsvern@ibm.net Subject: (exotica) backyard tiki photos Date: 07 Aug 2000 18:30:10 -0400 I recently discovered a website by a guy named Wec Clark called 'Avocado Memories.' It's comprised of comments on photographs he took of his home while growing up in the L.A. area during the 60's and 70's. A few pages are especially of interested to the 'exotica' group ... it turns out that Wes's father was a big fan of Martin Denny and the whole polynesian motif, and tried to convert his backyard to capture that spirit. He didn't let his wife's non-tiki mindframe stop him ..... instead he would just paint a giant tiki on the back of his house when she wasn't around! So here are 4 pages that I think all of you will enjoy. I think the whole site is also of interest, but these links will get you to the meat-and-bones of an actual authentic 1960's backyard tiki experience. 1.... http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/3452/am_15.html 2... http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/3452/am_21.html 3.... http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/3452/am_22.html 4... http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/3452/tiki_hut.html Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffery Hess Subject: (exotica) Afternoon Delight playlist 8/7/00 Date: 07 Aug 2000 17:53:54 -0500 Afternoon Delight playlist 8/7/00 Bruce Haack, Esther Nelson & Dimension 5 -- Mudra Roger Joseph Manning Jr. & Brian Reitzell -- Search For Tomorrow from "Logan's Sanctuary"* Senor Coconut -- Showroom Dummies* Death By Chocolate -- My Friend Jack* The Smoke -- It Could Be Wonderful The Move -- Curly Alan Price -- Poor People The Glands -- Swim* The Yo Yo's -- 1000 Miles From Me* The New York Dolls -- Pills Iggy Pop & James Williamson -- Sell Your Love Climber -- Kansas (Home)* Super Furry Animals -- Ysbeidiau Heulog* Bis -- Fight The Power* Men Without Hats -- Antarctica Devo -- I Must Do What I Must Do Hawkwind -- Lord Of Light Demis Roussos -- Fire And Ice St. Etienne -- Just A Little Overcome* Dionne Warwick -- Are You There (With Another Girl)* Combustible Edison -- Bluebeard Todd Rundgren -- It Takes Two To Tango (This Is For The Girls) Chapter II -- East Of My Place The Shocking Blue -- Send Me A Postcard The Beatles -- Komm, Gib Mir Diene Hand The Rolling Stones -- Dandelion The Undertones -- See That Girl Public Image Ltd. -- Home Gary Numan -- Metal The Busy Signals -- I'm So Slippery* The Knack -- Good Girls Don't The Mad Hatters -- I'll Come Running The Ventures -- Wild Trip The Lothars -- Metallic Sonata No. 1* Afternoon Delight Mondays, 2-4 PM 88.1 KDHX St. Louis www.kdhx.org #012 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robbie Baldock Subject: Re: (exotica) Theremin in a briefcase Date: 08 Aug 2000 10:34:07 +0100 Eric Taub wrote: > Can be yours for $1,099.95 thru Hammacher Schlemmer. Looks like the one Wavefront used to make... Robbie Spaced Out - the Enoch Light Website http://www.rcb.easynet.co.uk/light/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mkg@calle22.com Subject: (exotica) Re: an old low-tech fart speaks Date: 08 Aug 2000 05:52:25 -0700 I'm afraid I don't agree. I think we are in a very good time creatively speaking. Of course I'm not talking anout Britney Spears or any of those Boybands. I really like the inheritance of punk and the DIY message. I think this is the right direction that music should take. Now everybody could make music. And that can produce some very unique and personal things that would be completely out of place a couple of decades ago. An example of this is The Shaggs. I know they were from the 60s but they only became relatively popular in the last couple of decades. And I think now, with the conceptual ruptures of punk and the ease of use of the musical instruments, it is more possible to have this unique Shaggs-like kind of music all over the world. The possibilities are endless. we could finally get rid of all the standard music out there and become a world where everybody produces his (her) own peculiar style of music. And then you can exchange it, copy, pirate it or do whatever you want with it, and other people can do the same with what you do. I think we are living in a really rich time. And that there is something for everybody out there. As Mo said you just have to try and "sort the pearls from the swines". And there are some really nice pearls out there. I know this is really idealistic but I think that the whole thing with Napster and the internet is that it can turn music back from a business into a hobby. And this is a great change. People will do music not to make money but because they want to or need to or whatever drives artists to create without thinking of money. I have a band in Colombia and last year we put out 1000 copies of a CD (it's called Las Malas Amistades). We haven't sold that many but that wasn't the idea anyway. We are proud of what we do (did) and we want to share it with other people. And I think that's the whole spirit of the moment. But at the end, of course, it just becomes a matter of taste. If you don't like Shaggs-like, personal and simple music, then this scenario I imagine can be absolute hell for you. Bye, Manuel > Subject: (exotica) an old low-tech fart speaks > > I've been reading all the posts about Napster, and reminiscing about the > days when: > > 1- Music became popular because the melodies and/or harmonies were > skillfully crafted by real musicians, (not posers and costumed choreography, > not scratchers and samplers, not casting-call gymnast-pretty boys) > 2- People that played music understood the beauty of understatement, didn't > try to fill up every measure with every hackneyed lick they ever copied off > somebody else's recording, understood dynamics and the concept that silence > is an important element in music.... > 3- Instrumentals didn't involve hypnotic repetition of one riff over and > over and over and over and over again etc. > 4- Lyrics were suggestive, provocative, understated, imaginative, clever, > presented old ideas in innovative ways, and didn't need to be hostile for > lack of anything interesting to say... > 5- Creativity didn't mean finding new ways to abuse a musical instrument. > 6- When a musician was asked "What do you play?", the answer wasn't "A > Marshall stack"....when musicians got together to chat, it was likely to be > about chord changes to an old standard, and rarely if ever about > equipment.... > 7- When pre-teenagers finally became adults, they stopped listening to > pre-teenage music..... > > Oh well, that's just me.... > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Greenberg" Subject: (exotica) Pat Boone - Departure Date: 08 Aug 2000 09:41:56 -0400 All - I recently acquired a used copy of this lp as a gift for a friend. The copy I have, has a plain white inner sleeve. I'm curious if the original lp came with any credits about session players, etc. on the the inner sleeve as this one only has "thank you's" on the back of the jacket itself. thanks! Michael # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) hallucinatory music Date: 08 Aug 2000 11:17:14 -0400 "Rare Hallucinations Make Music In The Mind" "Some hear choruses singing folk songs, others hear Mozart or even the Glenn Miller Orchestra -- but there is no music; they are hallucinating. New research in the August 8 issue of Neurology, the scientific journal of the American Academy of Neurology, confirms the region of the brain and condition that causes this rare and bizarre disorder..." http://www.eurekalert.com/releases/aan-rhm080100.html m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com http://ookworld.com/linkalog/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chuck Collazzi" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: an old low-tech fart speaks Date: 08 Aug 2000 11:46:51 -0400 --Excellent assessment, well expressed. Manuel wrote: > I'm afraid I don't agree. I think we are in a very good time creatively speaking. Of course I'm not talking anout Britney Spears or any of those Boybands. I really like the inheritance of punk and the DIY message. I think this is the right direction that music should take. Now everybody could make music. And that can produce some very unique and personal things that would be completely out of place a couple of decades ago. --I once had a conversation with a person who contends that ALL SOUND is music, and that distinctions between, e.g., dropping a bowl of marbles on a tile floor and a Bach 3-part invention are irrelevant; between soaking a ferret in yellow paint, turning him loose on a concrete floor and the Mona Lisa are just different types of art.....etc....where do you draw the line? One could fill up a book-sized volume using, in order, alternating words in the dictionary--would that be a novel on a par with Anna Karenina? If you are going to accept the DIY approach to art, how can you exclude Britney, the Boybands, or any others of that ilk? Because you don't like their DIY approach? > > An example of this is The Shaggs. I know they were from the 60s but they only became relatively popular in the last couple of decades. And I think now, with the conceptual ruptures of punk and the ease of use of the musical instruments, it is more possible to have this unique Shaggs-like kind of music all over the world. --Ease of use of musical instruments? Is that what we are striving for? Is that the end result of evolution? Fast food, instant coffee, learn-a-language-overnight videos, McMusic? >The possibilities are endless. we could finally get rid of all the standard music out there and become a world where everybody produces his (her) own peculiar style of music. And then you can exchange it, copy, pirate it or do whatever you want with it, and other people can do the same with what you do. --Are you suggesting getting rid of classical music, jazz, musicals, opera, standards, etc.? Is literature next? > > I think we are living in a really rich time. And that there is something for everybody out there. As Mo said you just have to try and "sort the pearls from the swines". And there are some really nice pearls out there. --True. Many of them seem to be standards from long ago. My teenage daughters are always amazed and revolted that, when they discover something exceptional to listen to, I am compelled to inform them that it's a remake of a song from 1950 (musically dumbed down, of course)..... > > I know this is really idealistic but I think that the whole thing with Napster and the internet is that it can turn music back from a business into a hobby. And this is a great change. People will do music not to make money but because they want to or need to or whatever drives artists to create without thinking of money. --Napster is another can of worms entirely. I haven't taken a position yet because I don't know enough about it. However, if serious musicians are not encouraged to create music as a living, our music will continue on a downward spiral of higher volume, monotony, shock value, etc., > > I have a band in Colombia and last year we put out 1000 copies of a CD (it's called Las Malas Amistades). We haven't sold that many but that wasn't the idea anyway. We are proud of what we do (did) and we want to share it with other people. And I think that's the whole spirit of the moment. > --I live in Jacksonville, Florida, a cultural wasteland. I have students who have been playing instruments for (sometimes) 6 months or less. They put bands together that last 3 weeks. They can't play for shit but they always get mom and dad to finance a CD. They don't stay together long due to conflicts which result when people are incompetent and blaming the other guy. They sell them at their performances and give copies to their relatives. What distinguishes one band from another? (I'm talking music, not volume/equipment/costumes/lyrics/attitude) > But at the end, of course, it just becomes a matter of taste. If you don't like Shaggs-like, personal and simple music, then this scenario I imagine can be absolute hell for you. --I managed to avoid the Shaggs all these years, but on your suggestion I will find and listen to some of their stuff and try to understand better your position. Regards to all, Chuck > > Bye, > Manuel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin Leeeeee" Subject: (exotica) cool record stores? Date: 08 Aug 2000 10:25:22 MST hello, i'm trying to compile a list of cool/hip record stores. like the type that carries reissues and new music - exotica friendly fare. i'm mainly concerned with the bigger cities, but if you know of one that's in a small town that's cool too. website url's are probably best/easiest, or even just the name of the store and the city is good enough. i greatly appreciate any help in the matter. ciao! kevin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) CD price-fix suit Date: 08 Aug 2000 14:31:59 -0400 "NEW YORK (Reuters) - Twenty-eight states filed suit against the world's five largest record labels on Tuesday, accusing them of fixing prices of compact discs and demanding 'hundreds of millions of dollars' in damages." Full story: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000808/ts/media_compactdiscs_dc_3.html m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com http://ookworld.com/linkalog/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mkg@calle22.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: an old low-tech fart speaks Date: 08 Aug 2000 11:52:43 -0700 > If you are going to accept the DIY approach to art, how can you exclude > Britney, the Boybands, or any others of that ilk? Because you don't like > their DIY approach? Well, because they don't have much of a 'self' in the Do It Yourself departament. Or do they? I think they just sing what they are told to. They are performers not creators and, strictly speaking, they aren't doing anything, just repeating what they are told. > --Ease of use of musical instruments? Is that what we are striving for? Is > that the end result of evolution? Fast food, instant coffee, > learn-a-language-overnight videos, McMusic? Well in a way yes. This whole discussion has happened in the arts and there are interesting parallels with painting. Would you say that the introduction of photography and the abandonment of figurative painting was a loss for painting? I don't think so. When I look at a painting by Rothko or at a huge canvas by Jackson Pollock I can see things (and feel things) that wouldn't be possible in a figurative painting. So we can mourn that nowadays painters do not know the laws of perspective, but so what? The laws of perspective are not the only way of looking at the world. If we reject this laws in order to get a richer vision of the world, then I won't be complaining. But then again I agree with you that judging becomes much more difficult and that a lot of mediocrity can pass itself as avant-garde by avoiding any class of critical judgement. There are no rules, so finding what is sincere and real and what is not is much more difficult. > > --Are you suggesting getting rid of classical music, jazz, musicals, opera, > standards, etc.? Is literature next? Basically what has happened in the XXth century is that we have gotten rid of all standards. In all areas. And that brings positive things (a sense of freedom) but also negative things (rootlessness, disorientation). The only exception to this would be narrative film. The novel discovered that it didn't need plot. Music that it didn't need melody. Painting that it didn't need realism. And I think that at the end we live in a richer world because of that. > --I live in Jacksonville, Florida, a cultural wasteland. I have students who > have been playing instruments for (sometimes) 6 months or less. They put > bands together that last 3 weeks. They can't play for shit but they always > get mom and dad to finance a CD. They don't stay together long due to > conflicts which result when people are incompetent and blaming the other > guy. They sell them at their performances and give copies to their > relatives. What distinguishes one band from another? (I'm talking music, > not volume/equipment/costumes/lyrics/attitude) Well. Your students seem pretty uncommited to me. Me and my group we've been playing on and off for 7 or 8 years. We are not very disciplined but then we don't need to be (we don't live off music or plan to). We are not professionals and that's what makes it is so valuable to us. And also the fact that we are not profesionals allows us to play something that doesn't sound like anything else. > > --I managed to avoid the Shaggs all these years, but on your suggestion I > will find and listen to some of their stuff and try to understand better > your position. I hope you like The Shaggs. But I can understand if you don't. It really is the absolute destruction of popular music. It's like breaking pop music with a hammer and rearranging the pieces at random. But it IS something unique and different. And as someone said here before, you would have missed something if you die without having listened to them. And perhaps they can be a teaching aid in one of your classes (as in 'don't do that or else you'll become like them' kind of device). Cheers, Manuel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hypnotique Subject: (exotica) Martin Denny In "Forbidden Island" / exotica @ imdb Date: 08 Aug 2000 20:10:06 +0100 Volume 2 No4 of Film Score Monthly has an article by Kerry Byrnes concerning the movie. All of the following information is gleaned from the article. The film was shown on TNT in August 1992 and was videotaped by Martin Denny himself !! The film score is by Alexander Laszlo. Martin played a cameo part of a piano player in a bar (typecasting!) I believe Martins lines were "Night, honey" and that was it. The stereo and mono versions of Denny's FI album have different covers as do around 4 of his other lps. I recommend digging out the article if you can. I don't know if the mag still has back issues but they have a presence on the web. John www.martindenny.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) CD price-fix suit Date: 08 Aug 2000 16:12:21 EDT In a message dated 08/08/00 2:31:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mace@ookworld.com writes: << Twenty-eight states filed suit against the world's five largest record labels on Tuesday, accusing them of fixing prices of compact discs and demanding 'hundreds of millions of dollars' in damages." >> like we did not see this happening. time for all those industry lawyers to go to work. tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Will Straw Subject: Re: (exotica) CD price-fix suit Date: 08 Aug 2000 15:11:39 -0400 Great -- just what we need here : more grist for the Napster debate. Will Will Straw, Associate Professor, Communications Department of Art History and Communications Studies McGill University 3465 Peel St., Montreal, Quebec CANADA H3A 1W7 Phone: (514) 398-7667 Fax: (514) 398 4934 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) CD price-fix suit Date: 08 Aug 2000 16:36:58 EDT In a message dated 8/8/0 4:26:49 PM, wstraw@po-box.mcgill.ca wrote: >Great -- just what we need here : more grist for the Napster debate. Never used Napster, never will...Just give me the product to see, hold, sleeve, shelve, and play.....Yawnster.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stephen W. Worth" Subject: (exotica) What ruined music? Date: 08 Aug 2000 16:43:56 -0700 exotica-digest wrote: >Only who do you want to blame for the changes? I blame the Beatles. Not because the Beatles are bad, mind you, but because they set a bad precedent for other musicians to follow. Before the Beatles, musicians had to be able to play their instruments very well. Recording was secondary to performance. The Beatles showed that a group with modest musicianship could be very successful. The problem was that the groups that followed the Beatles' lead didn't have the musicality that Lennon and McCartney had. >Music had to develop, the old patterns were used in all kinds of >thinkable ways. I don't think that there is much diversity in music any more. In the fifties, there were exotica albums, western swing, hillbilly, be-bop, big band swing, pop vocals, r&b, rock & roll, blues, mambo, polka, and a gazillion blends between. Today there are a million subtle variations of "rock" music. Country music is no longer country music. Jazz is no longer jazz. The varieties of music have been blended into a fine mush. >The messages of the elder generations did not speak >to the younger. That is just plain not true. Young people listen to what they are given. The reason they listen to bland, corporate rock music is because that is what the big record companies choose to force feed them. When a person gets a little older, if he retains interest in music, he learns to search out GOOD music, instead of just taking what he is given. >New technologies offered new possibilities, some musicians >did handle them in pleasant ways, many did not. New technology has made it even easier to be a musician without chops. Twiddle a knob and set up a sequencer loop and you can release your own CD. It doesn't matter that you can't read music... that you can't play any instruments... and that you have very little idea of the musical forms that went before you... All you need to do is make interesting noise. >it's up to you to sort the pearls from the swines... The pearls are getting overrun by pork lately. Thankfully, the music of the past is archived for us. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 415 E. Harvard St. Ste. 204 Glendale, CA 91205 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Risser" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: an old low-tech fart speaks Date: 08 Aug 2000 21:22:50 -0400 First, you guys gotta know that you really do sound like old farts when you say things like "Musically dumbed down, of course". My son loves that Puff Daddy song where he raps over Kashmir by Led Zeppelin. Well, whatever. I respect him and his musical tastes, and am happy that he even cares at all. Because, for god's sake, I started with Barry Manilow and Kenny Rogers as a 7 yr old and ended up with John Zorn, Ennio Morricone, Hugo Montenegro, Kronos Quartet, John Cage, John Barry and so on and so on. Is "Oops I Did It Again" really that much worse than "My Boyfriend's Back"? I dunno. > --I once had a conversation with a person who contends that ALL SOUND is > music, and that distinctions between, e.g., dropping a bowl of marbles on a > tile floor and a Bach 3-part invention are irrelevant; between soaking a > ferret in yellow paint, turning him loose on a concrete floor and the Mona > Lisa are just different types of art.....etc....where do you draw the line? > One could fill up a book-sized volume using, in order, alternating words in > the dictionary--would that be a novel on a par with Anna Karenina? Nobody's saying it would be on par with anything. The mistake is thinking that "art" must be "good art". Therefore, if I really appreciate the sound of marbles on a tile floor (and I do!), but I wouldn't suggest that it is in anyway as on par with a Bach Cantata. > --True. Many of them seem to be standards from long ago. My teenage > daughters are always amazed and revolted that, when they discover something > exceptional to listen to, I am compelled to inform them that it's a remake > of a song from 1950 (musically dumbed down, of course)..... > --I live in Jacksonville, Florida, a cultural wasteland. I have students who > have been playing instruments for (sometimes) 6 months or less. They put > bands together that last 3 weeks. They can't play for shit but they always > get mom and dad to finance a CD. They don't stay together long due to > conflicts which result when people are incompetent and blaming the other > guy. They sell them at their performances and give copies to their > relatives. What distinguishes one band from another? (I'm talking music, > not volume/equipment/costumes/lyrics/attitude) Why is this a bad thing? It sounds like they are having a good time. No-one's claiming they're going to be the next Beethoven. And yet, grab the Nuggets compilation, you can hear the raw talent, the gems that come forth out of what must have been a vomitous mass of mediocre pop tunes. Anyway, Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou Smith Subject: (exotica) [obits] Rosko,Alex ``Sleepy'' Stein,Seton Rochwite,Paul Date: 08 Aug 2000 22:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Bill (Rosko) Mercer, whose ultra-cool on-air style helped define the cachet of early FM radio, died Tuesday night after a long battle with cancer. He was in his 60s. He was diagnosed with cancer in 1991 and had undergone a series of treatments and alternative therapies. "He was in a lot of pain," said his wife, Joanna. "But he had a very strong will to live." Mercer grew up on 114th St. and fell into radio when he was the men's room attendant at the swanky Latin Casino in Philadelphia. Patrons including John Kelly, father of Grace Kelly, noticed his rich voice and encouraged him to try radio. "I really wanted to be a poet," Mercer said years later. "But then I found that radio, done properly, could also be poetry." He worked at WNJR, WINS and other stations, broadcasting live from the Palm Cafe and emceeing shows at the Apollo Theatre in Harlem. In 1966 he was hired at WOR-FM, which was plunging blindly into an experimental free-form style. Alongside Murray the K and Scott Muni, he helped develop what he called "mind excursion" radio, which he brought to full flower a year later when he moved to WNEW. His late-night music, long poetic raps and even commercials enthralled listeners. After a five-year period in France, he returned to the U.S. in the late 1970s and worked at WBLS and WKTU. He abruptly left WKTU in 1985 - quitting on the air - when he felt the station had reneged on promises made to him. That was his last regular radio show, though he did some work on WBAI. He wrote poetry and did voiceover work, which he said in the mid-'90s was preferable to what he called the "stifling" atmosphere of modern radio. Plans for a memorial service were being discussed, his wife said yesterday. --David Hinckley NY Daily News ==================================== LOS ANGELES (AP) - Alex ``Sleepy'' Stein, the founder of the first all-jazz radio station, died July 27 of cancer. He was 81. Stein started working for CBS radio in the 1940s and later moved to Chicago, where he earned the nickname ``Sleepy'' after replacing an all-night deejay named Wide-Awake Widoe. He moved to Southern California, where he started broadcasting from an AM station in Long Beach. In 1957, Stein bought KNOB and began all-jazz programming from the Signal Hill station. On-air personalities at the groundbreaking station included famous jazz announcers Chuck Niles, Jim Gosa and Alan Schultz. Stan Kenton helped him finance the station by contributing the profits from his band's performances. ==== The following is the text of the obituary as it appeared in the Loveland Reporter Hearald, Denver Post and Casper Star Tribune. Seton Rochwite, of Loveland, CO, a retired consulting product engineer, died 7/18/00. He was 95. He was born November 22, 1904 in Princeton, Wisconsin. After the family moved to Hartford, Wisconsin he attended Hartford High School. After his graduation in 1924 he went on to Marquette University in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, graduating in 1929 with a degree of Electrical Engineer. The first 14 years of his career were as a lighting engineer with The Milwaukee Electric Co. In 1943 he designed a stereoscopic camera utilizing the newly announced Kodachrome Color film. He named it the Stereo Realist and it caused a worldwide revival of interest in stereo photography and is still the standard by which others are judged. Two years of his career were spent as a staff member at the Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory. Leaving there in 1952, he began a career as a consulting product engineer in both the photo and medical instruments fields. In 1977 he and his wife Isabelle left California where they had lived for 14 years and moved back to Loveland to spend their retirement years. She preceded him in death in 1995 shortly after they had celebrated their 69th wedding anniversary and just 2 days before her 91st birthday. For many years he was active in photo exhibitions worldwide receiving many medals and honors. He had achieved the rating of Master 1 for having had over 755 acceptances with over 171 different pictures. In 1979 The Photographic Society of America presented him with it's highest honor, The Progress Medal, for his achievements in photographic equipment design. He was an honorary member of three camera clubs - The Photo Pictorialissts of Milwaukee, The Oakland Camera Club and the Rocky Mountain Camera Club. He was also a member of Tau Beta Pi, national engineering honor fraternity. He is survived by two daughters - Sue Richardson of Casper, Wyoming and Sally Kustka of Bowie, Maryland, six grandchildren and three great grandchildren. === Taken from the Montreal Gazette: Paul Hatfield, whose "Poetry in Motion" acrobat/balancing act and "Hatfields" dancing dolls earned him guest appearances on several talk shows, has died. He was 72. Hatfield, nicknamed "Sky High", made appearances on "The Ed Sullivan Show", "The Mike Douglas Show" and "The Merv Griffin Show". He also worked the "Supper Club Circuit" from Hollywood to Montreal, notably with Kirk Douglas. Mr. Hatfield passed away on July 7th. "The life & times of Paul Hatfield" can be found at: www.angelfire.com/md/ghatfield/skyhigh.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) backyard tiki photos Date: 08 Aug 2000 21:27:47 -0500 This is indeed one of the best "nostalgia trips" that I've seen on the 'Web. Having grown up in LA during the same time frame, I can say that the feelings it evokes seem completely true to me. An absolutely terrific site for local TV nostalgia is Tisha Parti's Local Legends site; absolutely indispensible for Angeleno's who're trying to recapture some of those weird kid show vibes from the 70's. Even non-SoCalifornians will probably find something entertaining here: http://www.angelfire.com/ca/PartiGirl/index.html itsvern@ibm.net wrote: > I recently discovered a website by a guy named Wec Clark called 'Avocado > Memories.' It's comprised of comments on photographs he took of his > home while growing up in the L.A. area during the 60's and 70's. > -- Matt Marchese mjmarch@charter.net http://reality.sgi.com/mattm_americas/ "Lucky Fruit, the dried corpse is horrible!" -Peacock King *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Crossman Subject: Re: (exotica) Martin Denny In "Forbidden Island" / exotica @ imdb Date: 08 Aug 2000 20:11:30 -0700 hypnotique wrote: > > Volume 2 No4 of Film Score Monthly has an article by Kerry Byrnes > concerning the movie. > All of the following information is gleaned from the article. > > I recommend digging out the article if you can. I don't know if the mag > still has back issues but they have a presence on the web. 1992 is available for $15: http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/back_issues/earlyyears.asp -Kevin -- *********************************************************** * Kevin Crossman kevin@kevdo.com * * http://www.kevdo.com - The Narrow Interest Portal * * Lip Balm Anonymous, Ultimate Mai Tai, Exotica Archive * *********************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Hoel" Subject: Re: (exotica) audio formats Date: 08 Aug 2000 21:41:14 -0700 Mo wrote: > My friend Bernd just told me about an experimant they made recently with > all kinds of musicians, music journalists, university music professors, > sound engineers and the like. These people were blindfold-tested with > the contemporary audio standards, MP3, Mini Disc, CD, even audio > cassette etc. The result of the test was that nobody could really > distinguish between those formats. It all seems to be a myth. How about some really nice vinyl on a high-end system. No comparison IMHO. In all seriousness, has anyone (on this list) experimented with the various digital audio formats? A friend and I recently tried comparing MP3, RealAudio, and WMA (Windows Media Audio) when compressing WAV files down to a level suitable for streaming on the net (i.e., 56Kbps). This result in a compression storage requirement of ~1MB per minute of music. Our blind test yielded the following consensus: 1. WAV (duh - not too surprising given that this was the source audio ...) 2. WMA (_almost_ as good as WAV) 3. MP3 4. RealAudio (distant fourth) I was personally quite surprised with WMA - good stuff. So good infact that we decided to convert our streaming audio site to WMA - we ended up abandoning this idea after learning how much more it was going to cost to have someone host a site that streams WMA. MP3 is dirt cheap...particularly given Live365, etc. Has anyone else tried this sort of test? Erik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "william" Subject: (exotica) price fixing Date: 09 Aug 2000 12:38:55 +0800 thought some of you might find this story interesting...majors in trouble again... william in taipei. http://www.cnn.com/2000/LAW/08/08/media.compactdiscs.lawsuit.reut/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) droplift Date: 09 Aug 2000 05:07:44 -0400 'Guess what I got today at the CD store? I guess the subject line gives it away. That's right. The Droplift Project CD. I found it in "New Arrivals" in the hippest CD store in town. I was surprised to see it there (let alone in Toronto). I asked the clerk if he knew about it. He said that some guy came in there and put in the "D" section, then told him about it. I thought that was a bit weird that the person told the store that they put it there. Then again, this is way too hip a store to put one in. (And also, their CD's are in the store with covers only. This had the CD in it which right away made it seem "different".) Anyway, since I knew what it was, the clerk gave it to me. Which is good since there's no way I would have paid them for something that someone left in their store for free. I started to listen to it. There's a lot of samples and little "music", so far. Sort of the opposite of the usual problem which is very few samples and not much music either. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mkg@calle22.com Subject: (exotica) Big Labels get sued Date: 09 Aug 2000 06:25:10 -0700 28 States Sue Majors Over CD Price Fixing By Reuters Tuesday , August 08 12:53 p.m. Twenty-eight U.S. states filed suit against the world's five largest record labels on Tuesday, accusing them of fixing prices of compact discs and demanding unspecified damages. The suit, filed in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, centers on a policy called ''minimum advertised pricing'' (MAP), under which the labels subsidized advertising for retailers that agreed not to sell CDs below a minimum price determined by the labels. New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer said in a statement, ''This illegal action ... has not been music to the ears of the public. Because of these conspiracies, tens of millions of consumers paid inflated prices to buy CD's...'' The suit alleges that the MAP policy increased CD prices in violation of state and federal antitrust law, kept CD prices artificially high and penalized retailers that did not participate. The five labels are Time Warner's Warner Brothers music group; Sony Corp.'s Sony Music Entertainment; Seagram Co.'s Universal Music Group; BMG, the music unit of Bertelsmann, and EMI Group. Also named as defendants were three retailers: MusicLand Stores Corp., Tower Records, and Trans World Entertainment Corp. MAP policy originated in the mid-1990s when large department stores and consumer electronics retailers began selling CD's below cost as a ''loss leader,'' in an effort to get people into the stores to buy big-ticket items. The labels say they started the MAP policy in an effort to help smaller music retailers compete with chains such as Wal-Mart and Circuit City. They say smaller retailers do not have the option of offsetting losses from cut-price CD sales with sales of other products. The labels say they received no financial gain from the MAP policy. ''The wholesale price we charged retailers was the same whether or not they participated in MAP,'' one label executive said. In a settlement with the U.S. Federal Trade Commission announced in May, the five labels agreed to ban the MAP policy for seven years. The settlement did not require the labels to pay any damages. Industry executives say CD prices have risen since the May settlement. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BasicHip@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) audio formats Date: 09 Aug 2000 09:54:07 EDT << In all seriousness, has anyone (on this list) experimented with the various digital audio formats? A friend and I recently tried comparing MP3, RealAudio, and WMA (Windows Media Audio) when compressing WAV files down to a level suitable for streaming on the net (i.e., 56Kbps). >> I've been slowly putting together a soon-to-be (and very humble) site of vinyl oddities, whistlers, bird recordings and the like. Basically a gallery of covers, mini-reviews and downloadable sound samples. These samples are MP3 files, which I have tried to keep on the smallish side, sacrificing best quality sound quality for file size. the same type i have posted to the list before. You download it - takes a couple of minutes, depending on computer speed - and listen. I've visited other sites where samples just stream right in. I've only done MP3 files becasue that is the only format I know how to create. Are there better choices for this purpose? If so, how do I find out more and what software do i need? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: (exotica) What ruined music? Date: 09 Aug 2000 07:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Well thought out Stephen, this topic is fascinating. I'm not sure that the Beatles ruined music, maybe though they helped speed its demise (by demise I mean the lack of diversity). I made these 1960's tapes based upon the Billoard Pop Charts for the music of a specific year, in chronological order. 1964 is the blandest year of all! Give me 1962/63 or 1965/66 music anyday. The diversity of music was actually greater in 1965/66/67/68 than 1964. Another force mentioned in the downfall of music was the individual star becoming bigger than the big band he or she was in. Frank Sinatra/Doris Day and the big label star manufacturers of the 1950s onto today. Another major force, at least on this side of the Atlantic/Pacific was the targeting of radio to a specific audience. In the mid 60s you would hear an obscure local act, followed by James Brown, followed by Herman's Hermits, followed by Dean Martin, follwed by Hugo Winterhalter or Horst Jankowski! On a positive note there has always been plenty of really great underground, out of the commercial spotlight, music to enjoy. These days I find my credit cards overflowing with breakbeat, j-pop/shibuya-kei and modern soft pop acts. I certainly also am amazed by the diversity of modern indie scene even if most of the songs do remind you of I'll Be Your Mirror by the Velvet Underground. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck --- "Stephen W. Worth" wrote: > > > I blame the Beatles. Not because the Beatles are bad, mind you, but > because they set a bad precedent for other musicians to follow. Before > the Beatles, musicians had to be able to play their instruments very > well. Recording was secondary to performance. The Beatles showed that > a group with modest musicianship could be very successful. The problem > was that the groups that followed the Beatles' lead didn't have the > musicality that Lennon and McCartney had. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian Karasick" Subject: Re: (exotica) What ruined music? Date: 09 Aug 2000 10:47:02 -0400 Stephen W. Worth wrote" > I don't think that there is much diversity in music any more. In the > fifties, there were exotica albums, western swing, hillbilly, be-bop, > big band swing, pop vocals, r&b, rock & roll, blues, mambo, polka, > and a gazillion blends between. Today there are a million subtle > variations of "rock" music. Country music is no longer country music. > Jazz is no longer jazz. The varieties of music have been blended into > a fine mush. As a long time collector of unclassifiable music, I have never had more trouble trying to classify music than these past few years! And I don't worry about it to organize my collection (I long ago gave up and just went alphabetic) but have serious problems FINDING things in stores since categorization is nearly impossible these days and I just don't know where to look. Now if this isn't an indication of the diversity of music out there I don't know what is! > >The messages of the elder generations did not speak to the younger. > That is just plain not true. Young people listen to what they are > given. The reason they listen to bland, corporate rock music is > because that is what the big record companies choose to force feed > them. When a person gets a little older, if he retains interest in > music, he learns to search out GOOD music, instead of just taking > what he is given. Yes and no. Young people are very open to influence but the influences that get most exposure (ie. airplay) happen to be bland corporate stuff. I have yet to not amaze anyone years younger than me when I play them some of the things from my collection. In fact I feel some responsibility to use the collection to educate people and get this music out as it has no other ready outlet. Our radio show, Space Bop is a great vehicle to do this. Brian Karasick Physical Planner McGill University Montreal, Canada # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) What ruined music? Date: 09 Aug 2000 11:25:43 -0400 >but have serious problems FINDING things in stores since >categorization is nearly impossible these days and I just don't know >where to look. Now if this isn't an indication of That's why I generally look through all the sections, esp in used record shops. Once found two Can albums in a folk section, Martin Denny in New Age, and for some reason Tzadik releases nearly always show up in rock. LT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica) What ruined music? Date: 09 Aug 2000 11:33:33 -0400 All compelling arguments and ones which I don't disagree with, however, I would still like to make mention of perspective. As the years roll on, there always seems to be something deteriorating musically in someone's eyes. Jazz was thought to be (and in some circles STILL is thought to be) a lesser, base music and if you want to go back really far, Plato in "The Republic" discusses certain chords and intervals that should not be employed in music. I wonder what future generations will be saying about the current musics. "You mean there was NO ROBOT to program the sequencer?" As Voltaire's Candide said, "We must cultivate our garden". Dig? Brian Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LTepedino@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) What ruined music? Date: 09 Aug 2000 11:34:39 EDT The argument that the Beatles ruined music is ridiculous. In fact it the Beatles were one of the groups who helped to add diversity to the typical rock music of the period. What the argument neglects to point out is that back in the '60s there was only one Billboard chart. Just take a look at the current issue and you will see many many charts for the various kinds of music that there are. Go into any record store or on-line music seller and you will see a far greater diversity of music today than ever before. (Why even in the grouping of just electronic music there are diverse splits such as drum n bass, downtempo, breakbeat, leftfield, house, techno and others that I am just now forgetting) Star power ruining musical diversity is another false argument. Back in the '30s it was Bing Crosby who emerged as the first recording superstar and it is due to him in large part that records became so popular that actual record stores started up versus buying records at outlets like department stores. Star power has always led to more records being sold regardless of the recording artist being a single star or a group or band or even orchestra. The argument regarding radio does have some merits as radio reflected more and more in the direction of the audience that was primairly buying records. So as the young audience in greater numbers than ever before started to displace the older audience who was buying less music, so radio followed this change in consumer tastes. However, if you move the dial around you can actually hear more diverse music what with more segmented programming and even album tracks which 20 or 30 years ago were taboo territory on radio that only played singles! Ashley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Blahut, Jr." Subject: (exotica) Re2: what ruined music Date: 09 Aug 2000 11:09:02 -0500 in part Stephen W. Worth wrote: New technology has made it even easier to be a musician without chops. Twiddle a knob and set up a sequencer loop and you can release your own CD. It doesn't matter that you can't read music... that you can't play any instruments... and that you have very little idea of the musical forms that went before you... All you need to do is make interesting noise. i learned how to play and read music while i was very young. i meet people who tell me that they are in a band. i ask them what they play and the answer invariably is "oh i don't play an instrument, i play gear." i spent a lot of time learning my chops on an acoustic guitar before i got an electric, and then i spent a lot of time learning how to control distortion and get the right amount of "overdrive" to achieve the sounds i wanted BEFORE i got a delay pedal or a wah-wah pedal. it is not that i never used these toys, it is that i could go and buy a "zoom" effects processor and sound like a guitar (or keyboard, for that matter) god - - a guitar god playing stock guitar sound #27. but i wanted what i play to sound genuine, original and, most of all, sincere. i don't play in a band, i have very little desire to do so. (although that may change, i know that my feelings toward my artwork used to be about the same, and now i am trying like crazy to find some way of putting it in front of an unsuspecting public.) the thrust being that it is the music to me. there are, if you look, a lot of people who will not accept what the "BIG GUYS" dictate is the "new sound of today" (which for as long as i can remember has been crap) and will seek out musicianship that is genuine, original and sincere. why else would there be a tom waitts or a bob dylan ? my 2 cents robert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jonathan richardson" Subject: Re: (exotica) What ruined music? Date: 09 Aug 2000 09:32:51 PDT > >but have serious problems FINDING things in stores since >categorization >is nearly impossible these days and I just don't know >where to look. Now >if this isn't an indication of > >That's why I generally look through all the sections, esp in used record >shops. Once found two Can albums in a folk section, Martin Denny in New >Age, and for some reason Tzadik releases nearly always show up in rock. This is probably due to the fact that these cds are being filed away by 18 year old boys that listen to nothing but hip hop and gangsta rap.(im of course being very general here, they probably like some techno too) Eg Tower Records and the likes. They wouldnt know a Can record from their asses. BUt thats OK because I do. Just as long as its somewhere I guess. -jonny ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) What ruined music? Date: 09 Aug 2000 12:37:22 EDT In a message dated 8/9/0 10:32:06 AM, chuckmk@yahoo.com wrote: >I made these 1960's >tapes based upon the Billoard Pop Charts for the music of a specific year, in >chronological order. 1964 is the blandest year of all! This is what drove me to the Soul Charts back in 1984 when I produced a "lost pop oldies" daily show format for college radio. Unfortunately, Billboard did NOT chart soul singles in 1964 for some inexplixible reason. Which led me to buy "Cashbox: Black Contemporary Singles Charts 1960-1984" when it came out in '84. And 1964 was a surprisingly UNBLAND year for Soul Rekkids. A few examples: Major Lance-Um Um Um Um Um Um Tams-What Kind Of Fool Tommy Tucker-High Heeled Sneakers Temptations-The Way U Do The Things U Do Betty Everett-The Shoop Shoop Song (Its In His Kiss) Mary Wells-My Guy Dionne Warwick-Walk On By Impressions-Keep On Pushing Joe Hinton-Funny Don Covay-Mercy Mercy Patty & The Emblems-Mixed Up Shook Up Girl JB/still addicted to sweet soul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) What ruined music? Date: 09 Aug 2000 12:40:25 EDT In a message dated 8/9/0 11:35:46 AM, LTepedino@aol.com wrote: >What the argument neglects to point out is that back in the '60s there was only >one Billboard chart. Two--Pop and R&B # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica) What ruined music? Date: 09 Aug 2000 12:52:22 -0400 Ashley wrote: >Back in the '30s it was Bing Crosby who emerged as the first recording >superstar... Then I said: Interesting sidebar here. Due to microphones of the time, people actually had to change their style of singing, lest they break the microphone (the "ribbon" kind), thus the rise of "crooners" like Crosby. I wonder if any trade magazines touted newer microphones as Ethel Merman-proof ? :^) Then I signed my name: Brian Phillips Then I stopped typing. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: Re: (exotica) What ruined music? Date: 09 Aug 2000 10:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Really great observations, Ashley. Here's some more questions and replys --- LTepedino@aol.com wrote: >In fact it the Beatles were one of the groups who helped to add diversity to the typical rock music of the period. > Ashley, how do you see the Beatles helping to add diversity to rock music? I certainly see them and the other "British Invasion" acts as bringing a new respect for rock and roll & the blues. This respect brought diversity, but I also see a thriving rythmn n blues world and lots of US pop and rythmn and blues acts hit hard by the "invasion" Certainly that view can be countered by the rise of Motown in 1964 and the soul music coming out. Maybe as you point out it was "time for a change and rythmn n blues and rock and roll only had a few years left. Certainly by my prejudice little mind by 1965 there were more divergent sounds going on than in 1964. Actually by 1965 the Beatles needed to catch up with some of the pioneering pop acts such as the Byrds and Yardbirds, soul and garage rock . > What the argument neglects to point out is that back in the '60s there was > only one Billboard chart. Just take a look at the current issue and you > will see many many charts for the various kinds of music that there are. Go > into any record store or on-line music seller and you will see a far > greater diversity of music today than ever before. (Why even in the > grouping of just electronic music there are diverse splits such as drum n > bass, downtempo, breakbeat, leftfield, house, techno and others that I am > just now forgetting) One chart is almost right, theres a great rytmn and blues chart! But do you think the music is more diverse today in the world than it was in the 1960's and the multiple bill board charts prove that? I'm not sure that more charts means greater diversity. But I concede that a modern dj I know probably sees great diversity in drum n bass , downtempo, breakbeat, acid house, chillout etc. And even I have to admit these are diverse types of music. I guess the question to ask is how diverse? I certainly will split hairs when I say in 1968 there was sunshine pop, power pop, bubble gum, flower pop and pop and heavy metal and rock. > Star power ruining musical diversity is another false argument. Back in the > '30s it was Bing Crosby who emerged as the first recording superstar and it > is due to him in large part that records became so popular that actual > record stores started up versus buying records at outlets like department > stores. Star power has always led to more records being sold regardless of > the recording artist being a single star or a group or band or even > orchestra. Does selling more records increase diversity? I agree with you completely that der Bingo's large record sales and stardom helped or did not hinder the diversity of music. But it seems to me that this commercialism of the star really caused greater and greater imitations and less diversity. Its been taken to new heights recently with Britney whose wellblended star music seems like nothing new to me. > > The argument regarding radio does have some merits as radio reflected more > and more in the direction of the audience that was primairly buying > records. So as the young audience in greater numbers than ever before > started to displace the older audience who was buying less music, so radio > followed this change in consumer tastes. However, if you move the dial > around you can actually hear more diverse music what with more segmented > programming and even album tracks which 20 or 30 years ago were taboo > territory on radio that only played singles! I see the big major radio stations as the problem. Certainly college stations have created a more diverse radio world than in 1955 or 1965. One of the points I feel is that the music of Jamaica, Africa latin America, Brazil was swept under and homogenized after disco, rap and techno. Yes there is still plenty of diversity but I imagine traveling around the world and listening to radio and visiting local clubs in 1965 was a much greater musically diverse experience than it is today Thanks for the great insights Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: (exotica) What ruined music? Baseball players! Date: 09 Aug 2000 13:07:04 -0400 Not really. I just got this record http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=401718357 from a family member. Mine is unplayed, but what's on the record? Interviews? Brian Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: (exotica) MUTANTES go english on "Tecnicolor" Date: 09 Aug 2000 13:43:29 -0700 (PDT) The long lost Mutantes album, Tecnicolor recorded in Paris november 1970 has just been released and is available cheap at http://www.othermusic.com who I think had licenscing rights to sell them in the US in pre Mutantes releases. These are flower pop sugary versions of classic Mutantes songs sung in English! This is not the gruff garage sloppy psychedellia of the first 3 albums but a well produced (Paris 1970) (if not underproduced like todays indie pop) album. Some of it is tremendous and hits on a new level of pop excellence. Many of the songs sound like early 1968 pop ditties. The great Rita Lee does a bang up version of Caetano Veleso's "Baby". Her voice emotes beautifully in English, (I highly recommend her first solo album) "A Minha Menina" perhaps the greatest Mutantes song becomes "She's My Shoo Shoo" and is a total reinterpretation of the Jorge Ben classic with new 1970 Mutantes lyrics. All in all an amazing album with some horrible cuts and some real gems if you are a Mutantes fan that also likes sunshine pop. At 13 songs this is a tease of an album. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: (exotica) What ruined music? Date: 09 Aug 2000 14:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Ashley asked me to forward this to the list for him. --- LTepedino@aol.com wrote: Chuck, You are right on the money with the Beatles, but more so bands like the Stones who brought styles like r&b to the public eye. It's thanks to groups like these two that made me explore this musical area which I was unfortunately blind to. I guess when I think of the diversity that the Beatles brought to rock I'm thinking more of the late-'60s period Beatles albums like "Revolver" and of course Sgt. Peppers'" where non-guitar and drum instrumentation starts creeping in and you have experiments with things like world music (the sitar laden "Within Without You"), the vaudeviliian "When I'm 64," the almost classical "Elenor Rigby" and of course "Tomorrow Never Knows" which sounds like a current electronic genre number (it was a big influence on the The Chemical Brothers!). Also I'm thinking of the great exotica tracks on the Beach Boys' "Pet Sounds" album ("Let's Get Away For A While" and "Pet Sounds") the first track even featuring Martin Denny vibist Julius Wechter! If you look purely at the numbers, not only are there more albums released then back in the two-chart era '60s, but there are more styles of music than there were back then (electronic and "real" world music albums are just two examples that pretty much did not exist then). However, due to what constitutes top 40 radio, and because radio stations are formatted more than they were before you will have stations who exclude r&b or country songs from their playlist if they are rock-oriented despite these songs even being #1! As to the superstar question. An interesting thing happens in the record industry when you have a big record like a Britney Spears - and that is sales of all records go up. I guess it has to do with more people going into stores and deciding to pick up other titles along with what they first wanted. ANd interestingly enough most of the experimentation in temrs of releasing "less commercial" titles occurs when profits are up. Any label will tell you that it is thanks to a small group of titles that pay the bills that gives them the oppertunity and resources to gamble on more "artsy" or whatever you want to call them titles. I actually think that the success of certain styles is today allowing the record buyer to experience often the true origins of a particular style. Using the example of bossa nova from the '60s, back then you only had a handful of true Brazilian albums available as the more "homoginized" approaches by the star vocalists and easy listening orchestras at the time were the ones the record buying public sought out. Just think about today you can buy a 4 CD set of orignal Antio Carlos Jobim CDs when back then you really had to search to find his stuff (and trying to find a copy of his original Brazilian records required a plane ticket to Brazil!) Ashley __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Fwd: (exotica) MUTANTES go english on Date: 09 Aug 2000 15:02:47 -0700 (PDT) chuckmk@yahoo.com wrote: > Some of it is tremendous and hits on a new level of pop > excellence. Many of > the songs sound like early 1968 pop ditties. The great Rita Lee > does a bang > up version of Caetano Veleso's "Baby". Her voice emotes > beautifully in > English, (I highly recommend her first solo album) > Thanks Chuck for mentioning this album! I did a search at CDDB and noticed a "Best of" CD too. That has a 1968 version of "Baby". Heard them for the first time Friday on Kaci's show on Luxuria. I've been talking to La Jane and she recommends OS MUTANTES, and LA COMEDIA. But I'm thinking for a 1st disk with going for the "best of". Anybody know where I can find a bio on this group with descriptions of their output? Dusty Grooves descriptions of the albums gave me the impression that there style changed over time. P.S. for those of you have been asking....real audio at WJUL is back on line.... Domenic Ciccone "Martinis with Mancini" WJUL 91.5FM Friday’s 6-9AM EST http://www.geocities.com/martinimancini/ http://wjul.cs.uml.edu/misc/wjul/wjul.html (On Real Audio) P.S. You Can Get Free Email & Homepages @ http://www.buzzlink.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) What ruined music? Date: 09 Aug 2000 18:08:56 -0400 At 11:33 AM 8/9/00 -0400, Brian Phillips wrote: > >All compelling arguments and ones which I don't disagree with, however, I >would still like to make mention of perspective. As the years roll on, >there always seems to be something deteriorating musically in someone's >eyes. Jazz was thought to be (and in some circles STILL is thought to be) >a lesser, base music and if you want to go back really far, Plato in "The >Republic" discusses certain chords and intervals that should not be >employed in music. Do you always talk like this? Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) What ruined music? Date: 09 Aug 2000 18:08:58 -0400 At 11:34 AM 8/9/00 EDT, LTepedino@aol.com wrote: > >The argument that the Beatles ruined music is ridiculous. > >Star power ruining musical diversity is another false argument. I don't believe music has been ruined. Nor do I believe that there is less musical diversity available in the general marketplace. I do believe that "popular" music - as evidenced by the artists and playlists of most radio stations in the middle of the dial - has become profoundly more narrow and limited. I don't think that's even arguable. The tunes you hear on popular radio sound more like each other than they did back in the fifties and sixties and even seventies. (And what's up with all this "oldies" radio?) It's stupid to blame the Beatles or other popular artists for the lack of diversity but the phenomenon of the Beatles and Elvis and those huge selling records DID have a major effect on everything in the "music selling" business and this lack of diversity on popular radio is certainly one of the results. Just look at the phenomenon of Nirvana. After their success, there wasn't actually LESS GOOD grunge music in the world. There was just MORE BAD grunge. And you were more likely to hear the bad stuff on the radio than the good stuff. Everyone wanted to be Nirvana just like once upon a time, everyone wanted to be the Beatles. EVEN if they weren't meant to be. Some great music came out of musicians changing their focus and trying to be the Beatles. That's how we got the Byrds. But we also got lots of crap from musicians who might have made perfectly pleasant music if they'd stuck to the music they knew and loved. Having said all that, when I walk into one of these giant bookstores like Chapters that have CD sections and LOTS of listening stations, I'm struck by the diversity of stuff they're highlighting at the listening stations. Unfortunately you couldn't find ANY of it on the radio except at the extreme ends of the dial. breathe out... Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tikiman Subject: (exotica) Towa of Bebel Date: 09 Aug 2000 15:19:54 -0700 (PDT) > Just think about today > you can buy a 4 CD set of orignal Antio Carlos Jobim > CDs when back then you > really had to search to find his stuff (and trying > to find a copy of his > original Brazilian records required a plane ticket > to Brazil!) > > Ashley and just think, today Bebel Gilberto's new release "Tanto Tempo" transports me to Brasil with every track... in heavy rotation at our grass shack. nice revival of 60's bossa sound with subtle modern touches mixed in by the likes of Thievery Corp.and others that has me flying over Rio whenever it's on. first heard her on Towa Tei's "Future Listening" and fell in love then. I believe she is the daughter of Astrud and Jao Gilberto, the first wave of Brazilian royalty. anyone else heard this/agree? alohaderci, Fluid Floyd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tipsydave@aol.com Subject: (exotica) categories Date: 09 Aug 2000 18:36:25 EDT In a message dated 8/9/00 7:26:20 AM, wlt4@mindspring.com writes: << >but have serious problems FINDING things in stores since >categorization is nearly impossible these days and I just don't know >where to look. Now if this isn't an indication of That's why I generally look through all the sections, esp in used record shops. Once found two Can albums in a folk section, Martin Denny in New Age, and for some reason Tzadik releases nearly always show up in rock. >> In Borders stores' computerized database, Tipsy is categorized as "hardcore/punk" -dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Thomas" Subject: (exotica) Modernism (was: an old low-tech fart) Date: 10 Aug 2000 00:32:31 GMT Manuel wrote: "Basically what has happened in the XXth century is that we have gotten rid of all standards. In all areas. And that brings positive things (a sense of freedom) but also negative things (rootlessness, disorientation). The only exception to this would be narrative film." ~~>I'd agree with that statement completely ... but I would not say that abandonning the Standards was an all together good idea. "The novel discovered that it didn't need plot." ~~>Plotless novels are unreadable. Even James Joyce produced only one and found 'plotlessness' was a dead end street. For true plotlessness try Tender Buttons by Gertrude Stein (altho, strictly speaking, it is not a novel but a series of cameo pieces). "Music that it didn't need melody." ~~> Even Schoenberg said that the twelve tone system was pretty limited. All that Stockhausen and Darmhaus (stadt?) stuff of the sixties that sounds like a distorted science fiction soundtrack (like Kubrick's 2001 which used extensive Lygetti). Modern operas are largely unlistenable (aside from Philip Glass) but contemporary opera is returning, somewhat, to melody. "Painting that it didn't need realism." ~~> And what we've ended up with is a large field of green with a three-quarter inch black stripe across it. Even that type of Modernism has been exhausted. The Post-Modern pianters have returned to recognizable figures and a sense of reality. " And I think that at the end we live in a richer world because of that." ~~> Yes and no. Modernism freed us from convention and platitudes of the Academy but it ultimately went too far and became plain ugly and incomprehensible. Even When Picasso and Braque were scaling the mountain of Cubism in the 1910's you could still recognize what the basic elements were. Modern architecture is a fine example of ugly Modernism ... sure stripping away superflous decoration and creating a 'machine made for living' is fine but now we have ugly glass cubes for skyscrapers and strip malls with acres of asphalt. As far as popular music goes, in America at any rate, once Tin Pan Alley and Broadway stopped being te source of popular music it all went down hill. Where are the Vernon Dukes, the Harold Arlens, the Comdens and Greens ... the Gershwins of today? IMHO ... of course. ~~Paul~~ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jschwart@voicenet.com Subject: (exotica) The period between Bobby Vinton and Yes Date: 09 Aug 2000 21:33:16 "Stephen W. Worth" : >Only who do you want to blame for the changes? >I blame the Beatles. Not because the Beatles are bad, mind you, but because they set a bad precedent for other musicians to follow. Before the Beatles, musicians had to be able to play their instruments very well. Recording was secondary to performance. The Beatles showed that a group with modest musicianship could be very successful. The problem was that the groups that followed the Beatles' lead didn't have the musicality that Lennon and McCartney had. This is the most inane bashing of the Beatles (from someone who purports to like them, yet) I've ever heard. Since when are the Beatles only modest musicians? Most would agree that at least some of them -- come on, at least Paul! -- are as good as any musicians that ever played rock 'n' roll. The Beatles did not invent rock, or using studio technology, or writing their own material...but they did all of them better than just about everybody. It seems you are blaming more the concept of the studio as an instrument rather than a passive observer -- and that goes back to at least Les Paul. In the top chart positions of 1963, before the Beatles hit here, were "Go Away Little Girl" by Steve Lawrence, "Walk Right In" by The Rooftop Singers, "Sukiyaki" by Kyu Sakamoto and "Domenique" by The Singing Nun. Also, in a more rock vein, were "Surf City," "Fingertips, Pt. 2," "He's So Fine," and "My Boyfriend's Back." Which, if any of of these, showed musicianship superior to the Beatles'? I would argue that in the entire history of pop music, even long before rock, musicianship (as in "playing their instrument really well") has ALWAYS been secondary to song writing, recording technique, sex appeal, style, innovation and novelty. And I think the Beatles kept the standards of all of these, AND musicianship, incredibly high during their amazing seven years on the charts. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica) What ruined music? Date: 10 Aug 2000 07:59:23 -0400 >Do you always talk like this? > >Nat "No Nat, I don't :^), but every time I do I feel the loving hands of my parents on my back as they say, "That's our son. We taught him that." Plus, who wants to defend both a position AND bad grammar?" - Taken from the documentary, "Sesquipedalians and the People That Love Them" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: itsvern@ibm.net Subject: Re: (exotica) an old low-tech fart speaks Date: 10 Aug 2000 08:57:06 -0400 I can easily picture there being just as many musicians, percentage-wise, in the world 150 years ago. But since their was no radio and no recorded music, it was relatively impossible for the musicians or their audience to really gauge the quality of the music. If you were stuck in some small town, the only musicians you would hear in your entire life might be the group that got together and played their old beat-up instruments at the tavern every weekend, or someone on the next farm over who played a broken violin. The musicians might be able to read sheet music, but they were free to interpret the music anyway they wished. I imagine that some of the musicianship would be quite horrible - but you wouldn't know because you had nothing to compare it to .... why, you might even classify them as the best musicians you ever heard. Once recorded music came out, there was suddenly a hit version that the musicians were expected to reproduce. I would think that in those days, a local band could be highly praised for being able to sound 'just like the record' ... and when the radio came along, that just further propagated what each song should 'sound like' to a wider audience. I have a Roscoe Holcombe CD, who was an old country/bluegrass fiddler from the Appalachia. In the liner notes, they tell of how he obtained the sheet music for some popular hit song, and taught himself to play it. A few years later he had the opportunity to listen to the recorded hit version of the same song, and was surprised that the versions sounded nothing like each other. He created his own style, became recognized in his latter years for this style .... but if he had a radio growing up, that style might not have been developed. Records and radio really raised the bar for what quality would be accepted by the masses. This has a good and bad side. On the good side, having a master musician's work out there gives the other musicians something to shoot for, a goal to reach if you practise enough -- plus, good music should be heard by more and more people. On the bad side, it made it easier for people to criticize their local musicians, by saying 'they sound nothing like that radio band' and also led to the philosophy where people simply stay home and buy the recognized musicians' top CDs, while ignoring the less competent local music scene around them. Another impact of recorded music is that the best musician's work can be recorded at the peak of their careers, and frozen in time for the future generations. That high bar of quality has been permanently locked at that level. I will contrast this to the 'old western gunfighter', who may have once been the fastest gun in the west, but ages and soon is shot dead by some young kid with the faster finger. I think there are lots of musicians today who may be known as the best in their local area, but their reputation will always be blemished a bit by those curmudgeons who grumble and brush them off with a "Oh, they're nothing like the great reknown artist back in the 60's" type remark Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gingerich Subject: Re: (exotica) What ruined music? Date: 10 Aug 2000 09:40:48 -0400 I think we need BJ back in on this one.... pg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Thomas" Subject: (exotica) What ruined music Date: 10 Aug 2000 14:05:25 GMT The Beatles were part of the huge boom in teen/youth oriented marketing of the Sixties. The notion of 'teenager' didn't exist before the 1920s and during the Depression/WW II era a 'teenager' was a small sized adult. 'Youth' as a seperate market arrived in the Fifties when teens had money to spend and carries on now. Since teens have spare cash and limited attention spans, we now have interchangable Britneys, Christinas, Boybands etal despite the fact that they all look and sound the same. Good to see Plato making the list. Need more of that, generally speaking. ~~Paul~~ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) an old low-tech fart speaks Date: 10 Aug 2000 10:10:51 -0400 >Once recorded music came out, there was suddenly a hit version that >the musicians were expected to reproduce. I would think that in >those days, a local band could be highly praised for being able to That wouldn't have been until well after WW2. The first few decades of recorded music, the records weren't that important, sheet music and then radio were. That's one reason a popular song existed in numerous versions, sometimes recorded for separate markets but just as often competing; there was no definitive version to reproduce. The most infamous last gasp of this were the cover versions of rock 'n' roll during the 50s and early 60s like Pat Boone etc; widely misunderstood by r'n'r fans as cynical attempts at watering the music down this was actually just an older approach to music or at least the music business. LT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: RE: (exotica) What ruined music Date: 10 Aug 2000 15:22:57 +0100 Hang on a minute. Why do we assume that music is ruined? I happen to like (but not buy), a lot of the crappy pop that's around. I know I used the word crappy, even though I'm in the process of mounting a defence, and I'd agree that maybe Britney Spears and her production team do not have a lot of classic musical talent. I would argue though, that Hit Me Baby One More Time is an excellent record, and music nowadays is so much more than just musical ability. Getting 'that sound', packaging an artist, making the video and the whole aura of a pop personality is a skilful process that's been in development for a while. I know you all think that Martin Denny is better music than the Vengaboys but that attitude completely misses the point (and is snobbish). The Vengaboys are skilled music producers, cheesy yes but masters of that cheese. I love the diversity of music that is around at the moment and I don't agree with the 'new music is worse than old music' mentality. Its just different. House, techno, big beat, hip hop, ambient, euro, pop, jazz, drum and bass, indie, rock, 2-step garage (now there's one that you should explore, Chuck your tape will soon be ready!), etc. Its all got its creative gems and its endless dross in the same measure that music has had for years. To anyone who thinks that easy listening is 'better' than euro, just think of the sheer number of easy LPs that occupy the dank basements of record shops the world over. Musical ability does not equal creative talent. Music has not been ruined, its just changed. So there! Charlie Editor C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street London N1 8JD Tel: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 (direct) +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 (switchboard) Fax: +44 (0) 207 226 8586 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Taub Subject: Re: (exotica) Towa of Bebel Date: 10 Aug 2000 10:40:30 -0400 Floyd- Your description of Bebel sounded intriguing so I found this site: http://www.crammed.be/zir/05/index.htm The press release says: "Her father is Jo=E3o Gilberto, the man even = Antonio Cralos Jobim credited with the invention of bossa nova, and her = mother is the singer Mi=FAcha (whom Jo=E3o married after he divorced = Astrud Gilberto, the singer of Jobim's "The Girl from Ipanema"). As if = that wasn't enough of a gene-pool to be getting on with, Mi=FAcha's = brother is the singer and novelist Chico Buarque, another founding father = of bossa nova. Bebel's first public appearance was suitably precocious: a = concert at Carnegie Hall with her mother and Stan Getz when she was nine = years old." The site has some good sound samples. Eric >and just think, today Bebel Gilberto's new release >"Tanto Tempo" transports me to Brasil with every >track... in heavy rotation at our grass shack. nice >revival of 60's bossa sound with subtle modern touches >mixed in by the likes of Thievery Corp.and others that >has me flying over Rio whenever it's on. first heard >her on Towa Tei's "Future Listening" and fell in love >then. I believe she is the daughter of Astrud and Jao >Gilberto, the first wave of Brazilian royalty. anyone >else heard this/agree? > >alohaderci, >Fluid Floyd > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: (exotica) Brasilian '67 Date: 10 Aug 2000 10:23:26 -0400 Picked up this LP last weekend - full title includes "Los Brasilios = featuring "Alberto" (Alberto who?) on the Marimbas and the Juan Morales = Singers. (on Design Records) This album comes in a kind of "generic" sleeve with the appropriate front = cover stuck onto it. The cover's cool: 5 guys in turtlenecks and dark = sport coats with one hot 60's chick wearing a scoop-neck tank top (dig = that cleavage - crazy!) and huge round pink earrings to match her top. = Huge "green leaf plants" take up the foreground - can we say "Brazil '66?" But Brazil '66 they ain't - as the album plods through poorly written = arrangements with "ba da ba da" vocals and instros that just never "get = with it." Two tracks are fun but that's about it (Nightingale and No Love = But Your Love). Never thought I'd sour on "ba da ba da" but this just = doesn't do it. I guess "plodding" would fit. The generic back cover describes the Design music selections made to = create "a series of Family Favorites....(to help you build) your record = collection....at a fraction of the price you'd have expected to pay even a = few years ago." In other words, we're a bargain label who can't afford = too much, but we're *cheap* and will attempt to re-create the genres you = hear on the radio! Didn't work. - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) [obit] Jerome Smith Date: 10 Aug 2000 11:29:43 -0400 August 10, 2000 Jerome Smith, of K.C. and the Sunshine Band, Dies at 47 Jerome Smith, the original guitarist for the disco party kings K. C. and the Sunshine Band, died on Friday after a construction accident, The Associated Press reported. He was 47 and lived in Miami. His body was crushed in the accident, which took place at the construction site where he worked in West Palm Beach, the news agency said. Mr. Smith's suave sound became familiar to disco fans before he joined K. C. and the Sunshine Band, when he played the signature riff on George McRae's "Rock Your Baby." He was soon invited by the production team of Harry Wayne Casey (also known as K. C.) and Richard Finch to join the Sunshine Band. His guitar, altered in the studio to sound like a synthesizer, provided the hook for "Get Down Tonight," the band's breakthrough hit. Before he left the group in 1979, it had five No. 1 songs, including "That's the Way (I Like It)," "(Shake, Shake, Shake) Shake Your Booty" and "I'm Your Boogie Man." Mr. Smith had other musical successes, playing on 10 albums by the disco burlesque artist Blowfly and touring in America with the Australian group the Divinyls. In the 1990's he contributed to the soundrack of the television show "Melrose Place." He was reportedly hoping to rejoin K. C. and the Sunshine Band at the time of his death. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: Re: (exotica) Brasilian '67 Date: 10 Aug 2000 09:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Picked this up too and agree not much to talk about, nice cover though. I find myself steering away from Design label records. Am I missing much? Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck --- Nathan Miner wrote: > Picked up this LP last weekend - full title includes "Los Brasilios > featuring "Alberto" (Alberto who?) on the Marimbas and the Juan Morales > Singers. (on Design Records) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: (exotica) Philip Glass Date: 10 Aug 2000 09:35:23 -0700 (PDT) I bumped into "Songs From the Trilogy" the other night and I can't stop playing it. I hadn't heard this for years and years. These are songs from his 3 Operas, Einstein on the Beach, Satyagraha and Akhnatan. I think every song is wonderful. Math and Melodies! Its speaks to a higher part of my brain. I prefer this comp over "Songs from the Liquid Days" Can anyone recommend the complete operas or anything else by Glass?? Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! 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Yeah, it's superb. Bebel was interviewed on National Public Radio recently, and the network spliced generous cuts of Tanto Tempo between interview segments. Very touching interview. Bebel was so generous with her compliments to the producer, whose name escapes me right now--apparently a giant in Brasilian music who died after arranging all but one song on the CD. What a beautiful groove this CD has! Bebel's airy voice, very reminiscent of Astrud Gilberto in her prime, tender lyrics in Portuguese and English, and lots of electronics that still preserve the original bossa sound. She may be touring the States to promo the CD. Anyone know if this is happening? Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Fondle Subject: Re: (exotica) Philip Glass Date: 10 Aug 2000 10:36:46 -0700 (PDT) --- chuck wrote: > > Can anyone recommend the complete operas or anything > else by Glass?? > > Easy listening in the Big Easy > Chuck > > No, but I do have a good knock-knock joke...here goes: KNOCK KNOCK who's there? PHILLIP GLASS phillip glass who? KNOCK KNOCK... who's there? PHILLIP GLASS, etc. Sorry, could not resist. Jane Fondle ===== "It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter Buy the debut release from Astroslut: LOVE AT ZERO G at: http://cdalley.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Philip Glass Date: 10 Aug 2000 13:44:28 -0500 Chuck asked: Can anyone recommend the complete operas or anything else by Glass?? I'm a huge Glass fan so beware of comments tinged with mania. I adore his opera scored for the Cocteau movie, La Belle and le Bete, and the OSTs for Mishima and Kundun. Don't have the CD, but Glass also recently released a OST for a restoration of Nosferatu that's pretty eerie or pretty and eerie, take your choice. A good intro to his 70s stuff is Glassworks. Great joke Jane, great joke Jane, great joke Jane, MimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimiM # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Philip Glass Date: 10 Aug 2000 15:17:58 -0400 Mimi Mayer wrote: > Chuck asked: Can anyone recommend the complete operas or anything else by Glass?? I'm a huge Glass fan so beware of comments tinged with mania. I adore his opera scored for the Cocteau movie, La Belle and le Bete, and the OSTs for Mishima and Kundun. Don't have the CD, but Glass also recently released a OST for a restoration of Nosferatu that's pretty eerie or pretty and eerie, take your choice. ---- While it would be interesting to hear Glass's take on Nosferatu, I think you mean his/Kronos' score for Dracula. Chuck, take a look here: http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=B3001 Lou (who has seen Einstein 3 times, and would see it again) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica) Philip Glass Date: 10 Aug 2000 12:39:00 -0700 (PDT) mimim@texas.net wrote: > A good intro to his 70s stuff is Glassworks. > > Great joke Jane, great joke Jane, great joke Jane, > MimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimiM > Glassworks got me into this stuff about 20 years ago. The operas are a little too long and repetitive for even me! But I take one out of the library every once in a while. Another great CD is the soundtrack "Mishima" with some cuts by the Kronos Quartet. And I remember liking "The Photographer" I really enjoy the music of another minimalist, who gave up on minimalism, John Adams and his opera "Nixon in China". For orchestral music by him check out Harmonielehre. Very dramatic start that Adams thought up as he was crossing the Golden Gate Bridge and looking at the supertankers...he envisioned one 'taking off" into the air, almost like a rocket, and how dramatic the rusted red-ish hull would look...... Carol, my wife calls Glass's music "do pee pee" music because that is what is sould like he's saying... do-pee-pee-do-pee-pee-do-pee-pee-do-pee-pee-do-pee-pee-do-pee-pee-do-pee-pee-do-pee-pee-do-pee-pee-do-pee-pee-do-pee-pee-do-pee-pee-do-pee-pee- Domenic Ciccone "Martinis with Mancini" WJUL 91.5FM Friday’s 6-9AM EST http://www.geocities.com/martinimancini/ http://wjul.cs.uml.edu/misc/wjul/wjul.html (On Real Audio) P.S. You Can Get Free Email & Homepages @ http://www.buzzlink.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Philip Glass Date: 10 Aug 2000 15:03:46 -0500 Lou wrote: >While it would be interesting to hear Glass's take on Nosferatu, I think >you mean his/Kronos' score for Dracula. You're right, Lou, I'm getting my vampire flicks mixed up. Thanks for the correct scoop. Just watched Nosferatu the other night and I'm still jumping at shadows. Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert McKenna" Subject: Fwd: RE: (exotica) What ruined music Date: 10 Aug 2000 19:53:10 GMT I absolutely agree with what you have to say charlie, save for one thing, why is it snobbish to think martin denny is better than the vengaboys? as clive james said many years ago in response to the argument that his tv criticism was snobbish 'it's not snobby to say dallas is rubbish, it's snobby to assume the vast majority of people don't think it's rubbish'. rob > > >Hang on a minute. Why do we assume that music is ruined? I happen to >like (but not buy), a lot of the crappy pop that's around. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: (exotica) Brasilian '67/Design Record Label Date: 10 Aug 2000 13:07:23 -0700 (PDT) I hope somebody answers you on this. I have avoided the label but maybe there are some good things besides some of the pictures on the covers ( which are made of cheap cardboard) Hope we get an answer Chuck --- Nathan Miner wrote: > > Yeah, this is the first Design album for me - is this a company to avoid??? > > - Nate __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) What ruined music? Date: 10 Aug 2000 22:32:17 +0200 This is probably the most fundamental discussion on Exotica ever. The basic question seems to be: Was music/art better then or now? To deal with this complex issue, writing an entire book doesn't seem exaggerated. In short however I agree basically with Brian Philips and his perspective remark. You don't have to go back to Plato (although I liked that), but just one generation: So all of you who think it was all better then, remember what our parent's generation thought of anything *you* appreciated when you were young, and calculate back to earlier times: it was always like that. When Jazz came up the music experts of that time wouldn't even look at it with their asses. The new was always experienced as innovation and as a loss at the same time - maybe not by the same people. And both is and always was true. At least you have to admit, that what you think was better in the past, was once new too, and had replaced something even older, as it is being replaced by the newer in its own time. It is like that. There is no escape. Two things however have changed in the last century: The rise of a thing called Avantgarde, an ideology demanding an automatic continuous destruction of the old and preferential treatment of the new just because it is new. And the final victory of capitalism turning culture into a calculable business. Somehow these two things even seem to be connected. The future-optimistic dominance of the Avantgarde was only being doubted since the 70s, when the limits of growth as an ecological phenomenon was invading the minds of people. Later it was extended on how we look at culture as well, that's when all the retro trends started. And let's not forget that this list is a result of retro perspective. Capitalism on the other hand rules more than ever, bringing us this ridiculous mainstream-culture we all love to hate. Somewhere in the middle of all of these developments there was a phenomenon called Pop, the first real attempt to create a culture fitting the democratic society, ranging from ingenious results to proto-fascist bullshit. To judge this culture only by means of musical skills, instruments used by hand etc., cannot succeed. Pop culture is democratic culture and therefore it has genuine rights to exist, to develop and to be free. It can only be seen in a context of culture and society as a whole. "Stephen W. Worth" wrote: > The Beatles showed that > a group with modest musicianship could be very successful. The problem > was that the groups that followed the Beatles' lead didn't have the > musicality that Lennon and McCartney had. The Beatles were THE pop group of all times. For this alone they deserve a fairer judgement than just by their skills as instrumentalists. Plus they gave the world a couple of really nice song compostions that would turn Schubert pale with envy. But even if you want to go for musical skills: they had the BEST DRUMMER in the world. > I don't think that there is much diversity in music any more. Usually people complain about the unsurveyable diversity of today's music. "Anything goes" etc. > In the fifties, there were exotica albums, western swing, hillbilly, be-bop, > big band swing, pop vocals, r&b, rock & roll, blues, mambo, polka, > and a gazillion blends between. Today there are a million subtle > variations of "rock" music. Country music is no longer country music. > Jazz is no longer jazz. The varieties of music have been blended into > a fine mush. And we still have all of this and more. I really don't know what you are talking about. > New technology has made it even easier to be a musician without > chops. Twiddle a knob and set up a sequencer loop and you can > release your own CD. It doesn't matter that you can't read music... > that you can't play any instruments... and that you have very little > idea of the musical forms that went before you... All you need to > do is make interesting noise. This is right for the time from 1980 to 1995. Since then it's changing dramatically. I don't see it all negative however: Non-professionals can be extremely creative and innovative as they are not bound to their knowledge. "Freedom from the known", to speak with Krishnamurti... The words "dilletant" and "amateur" both had positive meanings in the beginning... To make this short: I expect a lot of good music to come in the next couple of years. Be patient, the new Legrands, Simons, Minguses, Puccinis et al will come sooner or later. > Thankfully, the music of the past is archived for us. Yes, that's nice, but I would DIE, if there was nothing new. Maybe this is also a question of perspective: When you look back on the past, you can pick the pearls from half a century of music and of course you find a lot. The music of today presents itself in its entirety, with a lot of crab that you have to go through until you find the good new things. The crap of the past just disappeared in the garbage Nirvana, you don't even hear it anymore. Let's imagine we live in 2025 and take a look back on the 90s of the 20th century: I'm 100% sure there will be so much good music to discover, music you never heard before, as you didn't hear most of the stuff of the 50s and 60s you enjoy now at the time when it was made. At least this goes for me: I didn't listen to Martin Denny in the 60s, I heard him in 1981 for the first time, 25 years later! So maybe it's just a trick the mind plays on you, when you think everything was better in the past. At a closer look it's not true. The past has its rights as has the present. The past will continue to be the quarry for the future, but without a new present there will be no more new past in the future. Sorry if my English wasn't so perfect Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: (exotica) Th Siesta Label Date: 10 Aug 2000 13:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Hi Benito Welcome to the world of Modern Soft Pop! , a sub-section of indie pop I can't recommend releases on the Siesta Label enough. Their website is at http://www.siesta.es Belle & Sebastion, The Cardigans (early stuff) Kahimi Karie Girfriendo, Club 8 with the sweetest voice yet to come out of Sweden, Legendary Jim Ruiz Group are all tremendous soft pop bands. This whole movement started in England in the early 80s and continues to this day. Some gorgeaus music has been made. This movement launched Pizzicasto Five who inturn jetstarted the Shibuya-Kei music scene and influenced J-pop forever! I highly highly recommend the Siesta Comp Expresso and Laila Amazon on the Siesta label has released one of the greatest lps in the last 10 years, it was produced by the GReat Louis Philippe, who also has some outstanding albums(Jackie Girl comes to mind) Also Try Red Sleeping Beauty I worship their filmusic album Its hard not to talk about this music without mentioning Mike Alway and the El records label. I see http://www.dustygroove.com is carrying Girl Talk but http://www.othermusic.com seems to have all of the El/Cherry Red label releases. If you are shopping for soft pop or indie pop nothing is as great as the experience of James who is a one man part time store called Roundabout Pop. http:www.indiepages.com/roundabout The prices he sells for are incredibly reasonable and I think he's only in the business to get more records. He's a vinyl only sort of guy but only thrifts for those rare 1980s indie singles sometimes released on with a magazine in London. I think Roundabout has all of the above and he carries Free Design vinyl too! Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck --- Benito Vergara wrote: > > But I was completely floored when two months or so ago I was in Manila when > I noticed a whole section (I think it's called an endcap?) prominently > displaying the title INDIEPOP. And aside from Belle and Sebastian, the > Cardigans, and Kahimi Karie, there were all these CDs from bands I had > never > ever heard of: Looper, Girlfrendo, Club 8, Yoshinori Sunahara, The > Legendary > Jim Ruiz Group, Piano Magic, and a whole bunch of compilations. (Right > there, in a store in one of the grimmest cities in the Third World -- but > it's my home and I love it...) > > So I take the plunge and buy the featured title: a compilation from some > label I'd never heard of before (Siesta Records) called "Sombrero." > (Because > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica) Brasilian '67/Design Record Label Date: 10 Aug 2000 17:01:20 -0400 I cannot give you a completely qualified answer; this never seems to stop certain members of Congress, so...I have one sampler on Design and outside of having some of the funniest liner notes I have seen (The last two words are "Pow! Zap!".), the comp suffers from mediocre songs, including a not so hot one from no less than Ray Charles, as well as bad sound. The only good song is "Ooh Baby" by Chuck Jackson and that song is weighed down by echo and fake stereo sound. Brian Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Playlist for "Trance Cocktail Airlines" 8.9.00 Date: 10 Aug 2000 17:50:53 EDT "Trance Cocktail Airlines" airs on 88.1FM, WMBR, Cambridge @ M.I.T. Wed at 10PM Yoshinori Sunahara-Theme From Takeoff Stelvio Cipriani-Come Together Joey Altruda-Cocktails With Joey Bob Crewe Generation-Birds Of Britain Nicola Conte-Forma 2000 Lindberg Hemmer Foundation-Full Auto Jacknife Lee-Here Kitty Kitty Le Robin Orchestral-Sex Machine Don Tiki-Clutch Cargo Cult Ursala 1000-Funky Bikini G.P Reverbie-Malize Di Veneire (remix) Kai Winding-China Nights Claus Ogerman-The Joker Sergio Mendes & '66-Pretty World Love Unlimited-Together Berry Lipman-Girls From Paramarimbo Jimmy Botticelli http://wmbr.org # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) fwd: 28 states sue record industry Date: 10 Aug 2000 18:17:11 -0400 Yanked from the latest Scout Report: Twenty-eight states file lawsuit against the record industry 1) "Big Labels Accused of Fixing CD Prices" -- _Washington Post_ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57706-2000Aug8.html 2) "U.S. states sue Big Music" -- CNN http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2000/08/08/companies/record_industry/ 3) "States: Labels Fixed CD Prices" -- Wired News http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38103,00.html 4) "EMI dismisses price-fixing claim" -- BBC http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid%5F871000/871769.stm 5) Spitzer Announces Price-Fixing Lawsuit Against Major Record Companies and Retailers -- Offices of New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2000/aug/aug08a_00.html 6) Text of the Suit Filed by Spitzer [.pdf] http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2000/aug/aug08a_00_attach.pdf 7) Illegal Business Practices -- Federal Trade Commission http://www.ftc.gov/bc/compguide/illegal.htm 8) Glossary of Anti-Trust Terms http://home.mpinet.net/cmueller/ii-03.html On Tuesday, August 8, 2000, 28 states, including New York and Florida, banded together to file a federal lawsuit against five of the largest record companies and three major music retailers, accusing them of fixing the prices of compact discs. The lawsuit charges the music companies Tower Records, Sony, BMG, Warner Music Group, and Universal Music with inflating the price of CDs by as much as $2, according to New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer. This suit comes on the heels of an investigation by the Federal Trade Commission that concluded that the companies' pricing policies had led to higher CD prices. However, unlike the FTC investigation, which settled for ending the price fixing, the states' suit is asking for damages. According to the FTC, American consumers may have paid as much as $480 million more than they should have for CDs over the past two-and-a-half years. At the center of the lawsuit is the Minimum Advertised Price (MAP) Program, a program in which music producers pay a certain amount of the costs to advertise an album, and record stores agree to sell the album at or above a set price. CNN (1) and the _Washington Post_ (2) offer excellent overviews of the lawsuit filed by the 28 states, as well as background for the case. Wired News's coverage of the lawsuit (3) gives an in-depth explanation of the Minimum Advertised Price Program. The BBC (4) reports that EMI, one of the record companies named in the lawsuit, does not believe it has done anything illegal. This press release (5) from New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer gives a short synopsis of the lawsuit, and links to a .pdf version of the 36-page suit itself (6), which offers first-hand explanations of the complaints from the 28 states. The Federal Trade Commission's guide to Illegal Business Practices (7) explains several key issues in vertical and horizontal agreements. Created by Charles E. Mueller, editor-in-chief of the _Antitrust Law and Economics Review_, this glossary (8) gives thoughtful definitions for a large collection of anti-trust terms. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLarry3595@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Brasilian '67/Design Record Label Date: 10 Aug 2000 18:22:32 EDT Design Records was one of the cheapest of the cheap. Short records, often recycled (read stolen) and retitled tracks, no personnel info. I think Design was the subsidiary of another budget label and was one of those labels that only sold records at non-record stores (grocery stores, drug stores, etc.) really cheap. I have an OK Batman record that I believe is on Design. Worth getting for a buck or two. Like many Batman records it only has the Batman theme and the rest of the tracks are somewhat surf sounding but based on melodies/themes from classical compositons (read: public domain music). Larry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BasicHip@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Re: Design Record Label Date: 10 Aug 2000 18:38:38 EDT Of of the worst sitar records, but also one of the more desirable ones (if you use ebay bidding history as a guide) is on the Design label. Rajput and the Sepoy "Flower Power Sitar" Great cover too. :) That cool Bat-Boys "Batman" is on Design - there are others, but I can't think of em right now. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BasicHip@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Re: Design Record Label Date: 10 Aug 2000 18:52:28 EDT I wrote : (somebody has to answer my posts :)))) <> Speaking of using ebay past history as a pricing guide, how about the tremendous surge in the interest in whistling records?!! some recently closed FRED LOWERY records: Fred Lowery Whistling Hymns LP, Mt.Hood cover $34.00 (yours truly) Whistle A Happy Tune Fred Lowery Whistling LP $5.99 Fred Lowery, Whistler LP, "Precious Memories" $6.50 Fred Lowery Blind Whistler LP "It Is Well with my Soul" $61.09 Fred Lowery: World's Greatest Whistler LP $21.50 Fred Lowery/The Blind Whistler: Abide With Me $44.02 Fred Lowery Whistles Your Gospel Favorites $32.00 YEAH!!! these prices are blowing out classic moog titles like Genuine Electric Latin Love Machine and the like. At least for now. Of course, the reason for this is that there are a couple of new Fred Lowery collectors duking it out on ebay and driving the prices up up and away. the sellers must be luvin' it. I'm glad to see this unique form of music not completely forgotten... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Design Record Label Date: 10 Aug 2000 18:57:32 -0400 Didn't Lou Reed's pre-VU tracks appear on Design? Anyway, try inserting this in your browser: http://www6.gemm.com/c/search.pl?sid=6093304&key=11446&field=Label&wild=design&Go%21.x=10&Go%21.y=5 If this doesn't work, go to http://gemm.com and enter "design" in the "label" search field. The results'll give you a good idea of what Design was selling (basically anything and everything!). Lou lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Brasilian '67 Date: 11 Aug 2000 01:37:15 -0400 At 10:23 AM 8/10/00 -0400, Nathan Miner wrote: > >Picked up this LP last weekend - full title includes "Los Brasilios featuring "Alberto" (Alberto who?) on the Marimbas and the Juan Morales Singers. (on Design Records) > >This album comes in a kind of "generic" sleeve with the appropriate front cover stuck onto it. I have that with two different covers. And I think there's one truly great tune on it. "Noche D'Amor". But that same tune, same performance, has shown up on at least one other record I've had. (I think it was the one with a picture of Robert Redford and tunes from "Downhill Skier".) But I really like that record. (I ended up getting rid of the cover with five guys and kept the one with one woman, holding a guitar and standing on a rug next to a trumpet that has flowers coming out of it. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Brasilian '67 Date: 11 Aug 2000 01:40:58 -0400 At 09:06 AM 8/10/00 -0700, chuck wrote: > >Picked this up too and agree not much to talk about, nice cover though. >I find myself steering away from Design label records. >Am I missing much? I think so, yes. Well not much. But something. Then again, if you don't like "Noche D'Amor", maybe we don't have similar taste, in which case I can't tell you whether you're missing anything. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) What ruined music? Date: 11 Aug 2000 01:57:31 -0400 At 10:32 PM 8/10/00 +0200, Moritz R wrote: > > Was music/art better then or now? > >o all of you who think it was all better then, remember what >our parent's generation thought of anything *you* appreciated when you were >young, and calculate back to earlier times: it was always like that. >you have to admit, that what you think was better in the past, was once new >too, and had replaced something even older, That's not a very strong argument. The fact that each successive generation thinks that things are getting worse, does not prove that they AREN'T. Maybe every generation that said it SO FAR was wrong. But that doesn't mean that someday it won't be the right thing to say. Here's an example of one clear change in music. This point is more or less made in a Yazoo CD compilation called, I think, "Before the Blues". It says that in the early part of the century, if you were walking up the road and heard some old fiddle and guitar music coming out of a barn, you wouldn't be able to tell whether they were black or white musicians. Marketing of records forced music into categories. The black musicians made "blues" records and the white ones made "country records". A musician could no longer reflect the full range of their tastes and influences. Now certainly they made some amazing fantastic blues and country records. But I believe that this change made music a little bit "worse". There are many other such phenomena that we can point to in the last century and I think you could make the argument that each one of them somehow made music a bit "more worse". Fortunately the human spirit persists and no amount of censorship or categorization or commercialization or Celine Dions can stop "us" from continuing to discover and create beautiful music (and art in general.) But that doesn't mean that the proliferation of "boy bands" doesn't make music in general in the world just a little worse. Have you been watching that "Making the Band" thing on TV? I have. What's more distressing than the generally mediocre level of talent among the "band" members, is the way their handlers are teaching them to sing, dance, etc. There's not a single genuine moment in their performance. Surely the elevation of such a thing makes this world just a little bit "worse". Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Crossman Subject: (exotica) Howard Stern plays Exotica Date: 10 Aug 2000 22:57:05 -0700 Today Howard Stern was making fun of the drums and "exotic music" played behind the interviews on Survivor (mostly Rudy) and started doing his impression - and then they started playing cuts from the UL comp "Mondo Exotica" - most notably the entire cut of Caravan by 80 Drums Around the World (certainly in my top 3 version for that song). Anyway, nice to hear some good exotica on the radio, in whatever form. -Kevin -- *********************************************************** * Kevin Crossman kevin@kevdo.com * * http://www.kevdo.com - The Narrow Interest Portal * * Lip Balm Anonymous, Ultimate Mai Tai, Exotica Archive * *********************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Playlist for "Trance Cocktail Airlines" 8.9.00 Date: 11 Aug 2000 02:07:09 -0400 At 05:50 PM 8/10/00 EDT, DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: >Bob Crewe Generation-Birds Of Britain Good choice. Nice to see you "combining" stuff... >Kai Winding-China Nights >Claus Ogerman-The Joker More good choices. Way to go Jimmy. A man can't live on breakbeat alone. > >Berry Lipman-Girls From Paramarimbo Okay that's the second or third time you've mentioned this. What is it? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tipsydave@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica)Design Record Label Date: 11 Aug 2000 02:13:34 EDT I'm a big fan of "budget rock", and Design has a few real winners. Their Champs& the fabulous Cyclones lp is especially hot- the cheap pressing gives it a real garage sound. Soundsville has only a few good tracks, but they're early Lou Reed/John Cale novelties. And hey- I actually like Brasilia 67! In a message dated 8/10/00 2:23:11 PM, SLarry3595@aol.com writes: << Design Records was one of the cheapest of the cheap. Short records, often recycled (read stolen) and retitled tracks, no personnel info. I think Design was the subsidiary of another budget label and was one of those labels that only sold records at non-record stores (grocery stores, drug stores, etc.) really cheap. I have an OK Batman record that I believe is on Design. Worth getting for a buck or two. Like many Batman records it only has the Batman theme and the rest of the tracks are somewhat surf sounding but based on melodies/themes from classical compositons (read: public domain music). Larry >> Is this the "Dan and Dale" Batman lp (actually on Tifton)? If it is, then it's actually Sun Ra & the Blues Project (paying their respective rents). -dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Design Record Label Date: 11 Aug 2000 02:19:25 -0400 At 06:38 PM 8/10/00 EDT, BasicHip@aol.com wrote: > >Of of the worst sitar records, but also one of the more desirable ones (if >you use ebay bidding history as a guide) is on the Design label. > >Rajput and the Sepoy "Flower Power Sitar" What a stinker. Someone gave that to me. I was so glad after I heard it (I think I already told this story) because I would have paid real money for it and it wouldn't have been worth it. Still, I'm glad I have it. > >That cool Bat-Boys "Batman" is on Design - there are others, but I can't >think of em right now. Another good record. See, chuck and Nate, you are missing something. You can't just dismiss the whole label. Even if it's not really a label. Okay let me see if I can find another example even though my girlfriend's asleep. Yippee! Here it is. The argument-ender. (Sort of) "Electronic Music to blow your mind by!!" by the Lovemachine. Not saying it's great but if you heard it and then found out you passed it up at some thrift store just because it was on Design, I think you'd kick yourself. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) What ruined music? Date: 11 Aug 2000 09:21:23 +0200 alan zweig wrote: > > The fact that each successive generation thinks that things are getting > worse, does not prove that they AREN'T. > Maybe every generation that said it SO FAR was wrong. But that doesn't mean > that someday it won't be the right thing to say. Basically you are right. I only found some of the "It was all better then"-statements a bit disturbing, as if those who posted them couldn't even imagine, that there may be reasons to THINK things are getting worse other than that things are REALLY getting worse. These statements didn't seem to see that they share the point of view of ONE generation in history and instead they thought that their perspective is ABSOLUT. I am a real pessimist myself and complaining about how everything is getting worse literally every day seems to be my second nature - ask my girlfriend - but I always defended the present (younger) generation of musicians against the many members of my generation who despised anything that's new in music with such arguments, that basically only claim that todays music neither is made like the music of the past, nor does it sound like the music of the past. I mean, why should it anyway? It's just too obvious to draw parallels between, f.i. the gloryfication of pre-computer music and, say, the gloryfication of pre-photography painting. Obviously machines are not ALL bad and not ONLY bad. I see it as a phase in history that we go through and I'm sure that for one thing this way of making music will still produce interesting results and on the other hand, IF, f.i., hand-made music is really so much better, then it WILL have its comeback one day. It's always been like that. Progress goes forth and back, invents new things, uses old things etc. >Marketing of records forced music into categories. That's why I reserved a paragraph on capitalism in my post. In fact what was once seen as a motor of progress through competition now turns into a nightmare, because instead of things getting better they are only getting cheaper. Freedom of choice for consumers means it's getting less for producers and makes the world worse for all of us. I mean this entire Napster debate showed that money is what culture is all about. I know I defended the rights of the musicians in that debate, but the discussion made me think about my own point of view. In fact freedom of exchange of ideas may be the higher value in the end. Only you'd need a totally different economy to create such Utopia. It's interesting though that you can observe the limits of capitalism in culture. Another book to write... instead of where are the Legrands, Minguses etc. you could as well ask, where is the Karl Marx of this generation? Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otto Subject: (exotica) Kahiki tickets for sale Date: 11 Aug 2000 00:18:15 -0700 There have been a few folks who bought tickets and for one reason or another are not able to make it to the Kahiki I am now aware of 5 tickets that are available for the Kahiki The event is sold out but these tickets are available at the regular rate of $100 each If you are interested in purchasing them please email me Aloha Otto for further info go to my website at www.tikinews.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "william" Subject: (exotica) theremin noir Date: 11 Aug 2000 17:35:45 +0800 hi all, well, i finally broke down and picked up this disc("theremin noir"-rob schwimmer, uri caines, mark feldman). i had been waiting to hear what citizen kafka had to say about it. but i never saw a review posted. did you get it c.k.? the disc contains both original compositions and covers (including songs from "marnie", "vertigo", and "torn curtain"). i'm pretty poor at descriptions of music. but it seems to me to be pretty much in the vein of classical music. but quite nice. one track is titled "waltz for clara" and the cd has the following information about this track: " 'waltz for clara' was written on the date of the death of theremin virtuoso clara rockmore, whose performance inspired me to pick up the instrument."-rob schwimmer. interestingly enough one of the tracks is called "fireflies in tainan". tainan is a city here in taiwan so i'm curious what connection this song title may have to this city if any. the producer, artist and photographer all have chinese names so i'm curious. any info c.k or anyone else? william in taipei. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Design Record Label Date: 11 Aug 2000 08:52:12 -0400 Alan: No, no, I'm not "giving up" on Design...............that was my first = Design album and I was just curious. Great posts about Design!! =20 You guys rule. - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Design Record Label Date: 11 Aug 2000 06:53:05 -0700 (PDT) Alan wrote: > Yippee! Here it is. The argument-ender. (Sort of) > "Electronic Music to blow your mind by!!" by the Lovemachine. Hi Alan Yes you are right. I have this on cdr. Its definitely an "argument-ender" album. I knew there was something good on even this label. I may have some Design records maybe (I'm actually not sure) but when i see their hawaiin records I always pass them up. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: (exotica) Mono Date: 11 Aug 2000 10:40:01 -0400 I've just gotta gush here, and recommend an album by the band "Mono" = called Formica Blues. =20 This is female vocals with *great* orchestrations.............a very = enjoyable album. Check it out! - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: (exotica) Margo Guryan Date: 11 Aug 2000 07:42:15 -0700 (PDT) A friend sent me these real audio G2 clips of Margo Guryan. She does the kind of soft pop that he knew I would love. The artist is Margo Guryan and the album is called "Take a Picture". It was just reissued on Trattoria Records in Japan. http://userweb.interactive.net/~tomc/TakeAPic.ram http://userweb.interactive.net/~tomc/LoveSong.ram http://userweb.interactive.net/~tomc/SomeoneI.ram Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica)Design Record Label Date: 11 Aug 2000 10:53:10 -0400 >I think Design was the subsidiary of another budget label and was one of >those labels >that only sold records at non-record stores (grocery stores, drug stores, >etc.) really cheap. Pickwick, which also issued things under that imprint. >I have an OK Batman record that I believe is on Design. >Is this the "Dan and Dale" Batman lp (actually on Tifton)? If it is, then >it's actually Sun Ra & the Blues Project (paying their respective rents). No. The Bat Boys recording is not the same as the Tifton LP. I forgot about Soundsville; I always associate it with Pickwick. I rather like some of the songs, in particular "Soul City", which has a guy singing his head off on it. Wish I knew who that was, so I could return his head. Brian "Alfredo Garcia" Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Thomas" Subject: (exotica) Philip Glass Date: 11 Aug 2000 14:53:30 GMT Regarding Philip Glass ~~~ There is no 'bad' Philip Glass. It's all fabulous. Akhnaten is my favorite Glass opera but Saatyagraha and Einstein on the Beach are equally fine. His latest work with the Kronos Quartet, 'Dracula' is amazing. You might also want to pick up the re-mastered edition of 'Koyaanisqatsi'. 'Glassworks' is an excellent overview of his music with excerpts from his operas, songs and other works ... that's a good place to start. ~~paul~~ Shake the Twentieth Century Blues at Paul's Modernistic World! http://www.homestead.com/paulsmodernworld/entry.html ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Playlist for "Trance Cocktail Airlines" 8.9.00 Date: 11 Aug 2000 11:00:32 EDT In a message dated 8/11/0 2:06:04 AM, azed@pathcom.com wrote: >>Berry Lipman-Girls From Paramarimbo >>Okay that's the second or third time you've mentioned this. What is it? I first noticed it on the "Get Easy", German Pops compilation where it was sung Ray Conniff singers-style by the Berry Lipman Orch & Chorus (as I recall). Another version, this one instrumental, appeared on the Espersso Expresso compilation of three years ago. A newer one, sung apparently by Mr. Lipman himself, just popped up on a new Berry Lipman anthology which I believe is called "Capricious Squall". This version knocked my socks off. Its got that certain thing you want in a cheesy yet pleasy vocal....Hope that helps. JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLarry3595@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Mono Date: 11 Aug 2000 11:01:19 EDT In a message dated 8/11/00 10:40:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, nminer@jhmi.edu writes: << I've just gotta gush here, and recommend an album by the band "Mono" called Formica Blues. >> Nate, While you are gushing could you give us a little more info? Is this a new band on cd or an old LP you found? Larry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLarry3595@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica)Design Record & Movietone Records Date: 11 Aug 2000 11:09:10 EDT Brian, Thanks for clearing that one up. DESIGN is a subsidiary of PICKWICK. So now we all know it is the cheap controlling the cheaper! The Batman LP on Design is the one by The Bat-Boys. I also have some Johnny Puelo (sp) harmonica LPs on Design, and a few fake psych rock LPs. One thing that seems universal with Design Records is the TERRIBLE fidelity. Even new they sounded gritty and worn. I wonder if they also used the trick of pressing LPs on recycled ashtrays. I am very glad this discussion came up. I have always been interested in these SUB-BUDGET labels. There is a label called MOVIETONE that I have one great LP on. It is also a Batman record, but much better than most Batman records. It's by The Fifth Avenue Buses which is actually film score meister Gene Paige. Anyone know the score on MOVIETONE RECORDS or have any records on that label? I'm pretty sure that like Design it is a subsidiary of another budget label. Larry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Philip Glass Date: 11 Aug 2000 11:14:08 -0400 Paul Thomas wrote: > Regarding Philip Glass ~~~ There is no 'bad' Philip Glass. It's all fabulous. Except for Hydrogen Jukebox - almost walked out of that show. Lou # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Jemmeson Subject: Re: (exotica) Mono Date: 11 Aug 2000 16:21:58 +0100 SLarry3595@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/11/00 10:40:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, nminer@jhmi.edu > writes: > > << I've just gotta gush here, and recommend an album by the band "Mono" > called Formica Blues. >> > > Nate, > While you are gushing could you give us a little more info? Is this a new > band on cd or an old LP you found? > Larry Part of the second wave of trip-hop... along with Morcheeba etc - came out mid 97 - same song-based, 'we play our instruments' attitude, and less of the hip hop beats and sampling. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: Re: (exotica) Mono Date: 11 Aug 2000 11:07:10 -0400 Ooops. To clarify, this is a "new" CD release from a couple of years ago. = Listen to samples at (you-know-where).com!!! Similar to Portishead. - Nate >>> 08/11/00 11:01AM >>> In a message dated 8/11/00 10:40:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, nminer@jhmi.e= du=20 writes: << I've just gotta gush here, and recommend an album by the band "Mono"=20 called Formica Blues. >> Nate, While you are gushing could you give us a little more info? Is this a = new=20 band on cd or an old LP you found? Larry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original = sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: (exotica) Kahiki Motel.... Date: 11 Aug 2000 11:55:30 -0400 Someone asked me where I stayed: Ramada Inn in Columbus, OH - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: (exotica) Tower of Bebel Date: 11 Aug 2000 11:20:32 -0500 You can hear the NPR interview with Bebel Gilberto in an RA file at http://search.npr.org/cf/cmn/cmnps05fm.cfm?SegID=3D80135. Thanks to the exoticat who verified offlist that she is/was touring North America. Couldn't find an itinerary though dates mentioned include Boston, New York, Toronto, LA. Review of Tanto Tempo (Ziriguiboom/Six Degrees label) by Dan Hill--aren't you on the list?: http://motion.state51.co.uk/reviews/594.html. Decent bio here: http://www.themusicbase.com/features/cd/anthropologie/bebel_gilberto.html CDNow serves up samples of every Tanto Tempo cut: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/redirect/leaf=3Dpagename=3D/RP/CDN/FIND= /alb um.html/itemid=3D1174076/from=3Dsr-1801954-1 Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Br. Cleve" Subject: Re: (exotica) Towa of Bebel Date: 11 Aug 2000 11:44:08 -0400 At 12:35 PM -0500 8/10/00, Mimi Mayer wrote: >>Bebel Gilberto's new release >>"Tanto Tempo" transports me to Brasil with every >>track... >She may be touring the States to promo the CD. Anyone know if this >is happening? yes.......she played in Boston a month ago. I don't know if she's still on tour however. I missed the show due to other commitments, unfortunately, but heard that she was fantastic. Weirdly, she was on the bill with a hip hop act opening for her, which I believe was true for the whole tour. Most folks said it didn't work. br cleve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ross Orr Subject: Re: (exotica) Design Record Label Date: 11 Aug 2000 14:16:38 -0400 For a while I was attempting to construct a "family tree" of all the different budget labels, since they are notorious for recycling the same tracks under different brand names. This plan fell apart when I realized that the companies even seemed to steal tracks from each other. . . But as far as I was able to tell, Design seemed to be part of the Pickwick empire, which also included Bravo, Grand Prix, and Stereo Spectrum. Eventually I found budget label LPs too frustrating to waste much time on. But every once in a long while there will be something so *totally* wigged out on a budget label that it's worth having. When you find yourself in some thrift store where the LPs are 50 cents, that is the place to indulge your curiosity about budget label disks. . . otherwise, save your money. cheers, --Ross || Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr || Ann Arbor, Michigan USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ross Orr Subject: Re: (exotica) What ruined music? Date: 11 Aug 2000 14:15:44 -0400 Thanks to some really thoughtful comments by Manuel and Mo, I'm de-lurking briefly to add a few thoughts on this thread. . . I have to reject any theory that people are becoming stupider, more debased, and less creative, or whatever. The need to express yourself is a universal in all times and all places--but the specific tools and techniques that attract a talented young person are always changing and evolving. Right now, tools involving computers and electronics have a great deal of novelty and glamor, and are attracting many people. Some of them are using them in predictable and unimaginative ways, and some are getting bogged down in technicalities. But it's totally unwarranted to say that none of them have the discipline or passion of previous generations of musicians. In broad terms I'd say this new technology is putting more of an emphasis on rhythm and sound timbres--and less on songwriting, melody, and the craft of playing a particular instrument. If you want, you can see that as a terrible loss for music. I would just mention that those earlier preoccupations come out of a fairly stratified musical world. Maybe you have specialist songwriters who don't perform themselves. You need bass players and drummers willing to plod along behind you playing fairly uninteresting background lines. You have somebody else working as the sound engineer and the producer, with the technical skills to bring just the right atmosphere to the recording. What I see as happening is that all these roles are being more and more absorbed by the "artist" (in much the same way that desktop publishing made many people into typographers and printers who never would have performed those roles before computers). Today it's getting more possible for a single person to be the songwriter, the singer, the lead instrumentalist, the rhythm section, and the sound engineer. It's a shift from specialists to generalists. This may have some good effects and some bad effects, and we can speculate on what those might be. But you have to respect that those are *all* crafts which involve aesthetic judgment (for good or ill) and careful technique. The are not any less valid than being able to play the saxophone well. We do not yet have a lot of vocabulary for talking about how beautifully someone layers their samples. . . but perhaps in 30 years, college music appreciation courses will be playing ComEd's _The Impossible World_ for their students, pointing out the almost-subliminal sounds in the mix. . . And finally, to stick my neck out in a really specific way. . . anyone who thinks that contemporary loop-based music is all soulless and evil, please buy a copy of 9 Lazy 9's _The Herb_ (Shadow Records). This is a disc which I have listened to at least once a week for about four years: Lazy, loping, and very sexy music. A real test of any art is asking yourself, "would adding, changing, or taking away any part of this make it better?" That is one CD which may seem simple, but in the end you really can't imagine altering a note. cheers, --Ross || Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr || Ann Arbor, Michigan USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: delicado@cheerful.com Subject: (exotica) Wildwood, NJ Date: 11 Aug 2000 14:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Hi, I'm thinking of taking a little trip down to Wildwood, NJ in the next couple of weeks. I remember someone on the list talking about this place as a cool place to see some 50s/60s Americana. Can anyone who knows this place maybe email me off-list with more info - e.g. places to stay, other recommendations? thanks very much, Jonny Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) What ruined music? Date: 11 Aug 2000 15:02:22 -0400 At 09:21 AM 8/11/00 +0200, Moritz R wrote: >>Marketing of records forced music into categories. > >That's why I reserved a paragraph on capitalism in my post. In fact what was >once seen as a motor of progress through competition now turns into a nightmare, Now I want to argue the opposite pov. Someone on this list once said to me that all those strange, inadvisable, who-came-up-with-this-idea, who-bought-this records that we find - and rescue - in thrift bins are proof that capitalism is NOT the evil conspiratorial force that we sometimes think of it as. If it were, there wouldn't be all these desperate attempts that we in particular, witness in thrift bins everyday. All those "Jan Peerce sings Hawaiian songs made famous by the Beatles" records. All those "Ferrante and Teicher are still around and now they're covering funk rock" records. All those desperate attempts to cash in on things that sold way way better than anyone had any idea they would. The Tijuana Brass was a crackpot idea I bet. But when it sold, everyone wanted one. Even though they didn't know what it was exactly. So I can see how someone could make the argument that you have to look at all the weirdo stuff that didn't sell - all the Springsteen clones, the Nirvana clones, the Beatle clones, the TJB clones - and how they DIDN'T sell. In other words, "capitalists" are so pathetically ignorant and inefficient when it comes to figuring out what will sell, that you can hardly blame them for anything. They just hoist it up the flagpole - all of it - and wait to see how many buyers salute. On the other hand - to return to my original ground - the very fact that they're always TRYING to have huge sellers is a problem no matter how horrible they are at actually figuring out what will sell. If they would actually admit that they didn't have a clue what will or won't sell, I might not be making this argument. It's when they insist on bringing "logic" to a situation because it worked once and they ignore the fact that it didn't work a hundred other times.... Okay now I'm talking about way more than just music so I better stop. (I'm starting to receive what they call "coverage" on this TV script I'm writing so please forgive me for ranting about "them") Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica)Design Record Label Date: 11 Aug 2000 15:02:27 -0400 At 10:53 AM 8/11/00 -0400, Brian Phillips wrote: > >Brian "Alfredo Garcia" Phillips Cool reference. One of my favourite films. When I was asked to pitch this TV show on script ideas, I only came with two. A ripoff of "Bring me the head of Alfredo Garcia" and a ripoff of a Raymond Chandler story. They picked the Chandler. Too bad. Alfredo's head was ripe for ripping off.. Hey, Bedazzled is on TV here tonight. That means I might actually have to watch the final episode of "Making the Band" since I'll be taping Bedazzled. Would you listmembers in Hawaii please find Ikaika and tell him to get over himself? Nat relevant # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bump Subject: (exotica) mutantes - go english Date: 11 Aug 2000 16:13:09 -0400 >But I'm thinking for a 1st disk with going for the "best of". Anybody know >where I can find a bio on this group with descriptions of their output? >Dusty Grooves descriptions of the albums gave me the impression that there >style changed over time. it did change but i love it all. however not that drastically in my opinion and i cannot seem to find anything i like past 1972. i would bypass the greatest hits and go ahead and buy the first 3 albums. they are incredible, you will not be dissapointed. the 4th (i think) is Jardim Electico 1971 which sounds alot what i think this Technicolor release we are discussing is like since it includes the track Technicolor and Baby, both sung in English. i would even suggest the Rita Lee solo lp, Hole E O Primeiro Dia Resto Sua Vida (with the Baptista brothers (i assume) backing her up) so to me it is pretty much a Mutantes lp. my current favorite is the 72 lp Mutantes E Seus Cometas No Pais Do Baurets. very blown + tripped out rock and roll cabaret style way more so than the first releases. i am current trying to figure out my "best of" comp. i can't praise them enough. collect em all! i am partial to the native tongue tracks. cheers bump if anyone can translate these titles it would be greatly appreciated. ******************************** Bump Universal DJ Defective Records bumpy@megsinet.net http://www.defectiverecords.com "Music, Non-Stop" -- Ralf + Florian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLarry3595@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica)Design Record Label / Bedazzled on tv Date: 11 Aug 2000 17:10:47 EDT In a message dated 8/11/00 3:01:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, azed@pathcom.com writes: << Hey, Bedazzled is on TV here tonight. >> Bedazzled on tv. YEAH! Don't you live in Canada? I can never find that film on the tele in the US. However the remake is coming to theatres soon (AHHHHHHHRRRRRRGGGGG!!!!) Wish they'd just rerelease the original or atleast put it out on a damn videotape. GREAT MOVIE! Larry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: (exotica) CDDB and Moon River Date: 11 Aug 2000 14:13:50 -0700 (PDT) You know…....this www.cddb.com is really neat! I did a song search for “Moon River” and came up with 1967 matches! And speaking of "Moon River"…the version on the Delfi comp “Shots in the Dark” by Nan Vernon is very interesting. JetSetAir played it on there show a few weeks ago. But what was up with the huge audio gap between the English and Japanese version? Domenic P.S. You Can Get Free Email & Homepages @ http://www.buzzlink.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: Re: (exotica) CDDB and Moon River Date: 11 Aug 2000 14:38:05 -0700 (PDT) I think the Shots version is just great. That whole comp rocks except for the full length BR Cleve which lifts you off into outer space. I feel like hearing this as soon as I get home, if I can find it. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck --- Domenic Ciccone wrote: > And speaking of "Moon River"…the version on the Delfi comp “Shots in the > Dark” by Nan Vernon is very interesting __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica)Design Record Label / Bedazzled on tv Date: 11 Aug 2000 18:53:26 -0400 >Bedazzled on tv. YEAH! Don't you live in Canada? I can never find that >film on the tele in the US. However the remake is coming to theatres soon >(AHHHHHHHRRRRRRGGGGG!!!!) Wish they'd just rerelease the original or >atleast put it out on a damn videotape. GREAT MOVIE! Good News: A&E showed it recently. Bad News: They cut the Dremble Wedge and the Vegetation segment, leaving only screaming women chasing the devil after Stanley sings his song. Worse News: I see the video going on Ebay for 56 bucks! Better News: You can probably rent it here http://www.mdle.com/ClassicFilms/FeaturedVideo/ebrandt.htm These people KNOW their movies. They are also very nice and you can rent across state lines. Brian Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) jew's harp links Date: 11 Aug 2000 19:12:56 -0400 Didn't someone recently ask (in passing) about jew's harps? Here's the dictionary def: JEW’S HARP (possibly a corruption of "jaw’s harp"), musical instrument in which a small frame flanks a narrow, flexible tongue attached at one end to the frame. The frame is held against the teeth near the free end of the tongue, which is set in vibration by various methods. The tongue produces only one tone; when the shape of the player’s mouth cavity is altered, various harmonics (component tones) of this fundamental tone are made prominent. The harmonic series produced is the same as that of a trumpet. Jew’s harps of India and, at least since about 1350, of Europe have onion-shaped forged-iron frames that narrow to two protruding arms; a separate tongue is affixed to the frame. The player twangs the free end of the tongue with a finger. Clothespin-shaped jew’s harps with the frame and tongue cut of the same piece of bamboo are found in Oceania (often sounded by jerking a cord attached to the instrument). In Southeast Asian jew’s harps, probably the oldest form, the narrow, rectangular frame (of bamboo or, rarely, sheet metal) completely surrounds the free end of the tongue, which is vibrated by plucking a tab on the flexible frame. -------- If you can cram this URL into your browser you'll find more pages on the subject than you can reasonably hope to visit. http://www.ussc.alltheweb.com/cgi-bin/search?exec=FAST+Search&type=all&query=%22jew%27s+harp%22 Not jaw's harp but related is throat singing - here's a great article on the subject: http://www.sciam.com/1999/0999issue/0999levin.html Lou lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Thomas" Subject: (exotica) what ruined music Date: 11 Aug 2000 23:18:21 GMT Nat wrote: "Marketing of records forced music into categories. The black musicians made "blues" records and the white ones made "country records". ~~>These were categorized as 'race records'. Black musicians played blues and hot jazz, white musicians played fox-trots. There wasn't much crossover allowed ... that's why a lot of white jazz/hot dance bands tend to sound like poor imitations on recordings, tho they may have been on par with their black counterparts. Mo wrote: "...where is the Karl Marx of today?" ~~> To paraphrase Joseph Conrad ... 'Mista Marx ... him dead.' There is no one of Marx's scale and depth writing today. The closest may be Tom Wolfe in a certain sense. But no one is writing about music, economics, the popular novel and home decorations all at one go like Marx and Nietzsche did. Too bad because we could certainly use that illuminting sensibility today. What I object to about contemporary Modernism is it sheer ugliness and lack of sophistication and the disconnection with the past. Which is a view shared, I feel, by others and explains why people are buying craftsman style homes and doing them up in 'period' decor ... at least it isn't all that soul-less Ikea stuff. ~~paul~~ Shake the Twentieth Century Blues at Paul's Modernistic World! http://www.homestead.com/paulsmodernworld/entry.html ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) Fwd: Dean Elliot Date: 11 Aug 2000 20:51:15 -0400 Irwin Chusid has asked me to post this request for info to the E-list. Please respond directly to him at irwin@wfmu.org . Thanks all, Lou lousmith@pipeline.com * * * * [Sorry to intrude, inasmuch as I'm not on the list.] Does anyone have biographical information on Dean Elliot (_Zounds! What Sounds!_)? I've been told that an interview with him was published in the last few years, but cannot confirm what -- if any -- publication ran it. I'd especially like to know if Elliot is still alive, and where to contact him. Please answer *off-list*. Thanks. Irwin Chusid -- SONGS IN THE KEY OF Z: THE CURIOUS UNIVERSE OF OUTSIDER MUSIC http://www.keyofz.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BasicHip@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Miss Abrams and her 4th Grade Class Date: 11 Aug 2000 21:57:49 EDT Here is a recently CD reissue I spotted which I am amazed was given this "honor" Miss Abrams and the Strawberry Point 4th Grade Class from Mill Valley, California. Some of you may recall their obscure pop tune "Mill Valley" which came out around 1970 or so. Teacher Miss Abrams and her fourth graders. Singing. About their hometown, picturesque Mill Valley, just a few minutes north of San Francisco. They made an album and had a brief day in the sun. The complete album. Now on CD. ? :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Thomas" Subject: (exotica) Twilight of the Tikis (what ruined music) Date: 12 Aug 2000 04:29:51 GMT I think we should rename the 'what ruined music' thread Twilight of the Tikis (which could also be a tune by Martin Denny) or, generally, Gotterdamerung. Here's a list of books on Contemporary Culture pro and con: anything by Harold Bloom ~~> tho I disagree with him thoroughly, its fun to listen to Professor Bloom rave abou things have gotten worse since 1870. Decline of the West by Oswald Spengler ~~> Give up! All is lost! Geneology of Morals, Twilight of the Idols, The Birth of Tragedy by Friedrich Nietzsche ~~> Strike out on your own and you will triumph in the end. Follow along and be lost. Sexual Personnae by Camille Paglia ~~> The Egyptians we the most Modern civilization of all beside which we are just pale imitators. I think she's spot on as a cultural critic. The End of History by Francis Fukiyama ~~> Why bother any more ... its all been done (and done better) before. The Rites of Spring by Modes Exsteins ~~> Modernism began and ended with Stravinsky's Rite of Spring. All this is best read with heaps of Wagner playing in the background (or anything by The Supremes or Madonna for Paglia). ~~>Frankly, I think contemporary culture is just a re-hash of Dadaism from 1923. ~~Paul~~ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jschwart@voicenet.com Subject: (exotica) Wildwood Date: 12 Aug 2000 04:09:21 delicado@cheerful.com wrote: >I'm thinking of taking a little trip down to Wildwood, NJ in the next couple of weeks. I remember someone on the list talking about this place as a cool place to see some 50s/60s Americana. Can anyone who knows this place maybe email me off-list with more info - e.g. places to stay, other recommendations? While I live pretty close to Wildwood and have gone there throughout my life, I haven't been there for about 5 years. I'm a little afraid to go back and see what changes may be going on (though I'm not trying to dissuade you from seeing it). In the last few years there has been a movement to celebrate their '50s motel architecture, now officially designated as the "Doo Wop" style. A recent article on this effort in the Philadelphia Inquirer was illustrated by three photos -- all of them of new, fake retro (and extremely tacky) businesses, like the Rolling Stones/big lips themed Memory Motel (don't these people even know the difference between the '50s and the '70s??). If, like me, you are allergic to ceramic miniature diners, this is a worrisome trend. I find that renewed economic development is the greatest danger to preservation. Ironically, Wildwood's new economic development is being fueled by nostalgia, but that won't necessarily save what is best about the place. However, there should still be a lot of the real thing there to enjoy (though many of my favorite memories -- like most of an especially old amusement pier, another very old amusement area on the boardwalk with an old wooden roller coaster and an arcade with really old machines, an aquatic thrill show attraction, Cozy Morley's nightclub, and a great old open-air steak sandwich stand that was next to Cozy's, with appealing yellow lights and faded old publicity photos of '50s musicians, have been gone for years). I hear the Lollipop Motel (one of the classic kitschy '50s theme motels) is a good place to stay. Also, check out Philadelphia rockabilly king Charlie Gracie (of the '50s hit "Butterfly"), who plays every weekend afternoon at Moore's Inlet in North Wildwood. I doubt if there's a cover. There is a large, lavish photo history book that came out last year, called something like WILDWOOD-BY-THE-SEA. It is incredibly extensive on the history of the boardwalk, but oddly has almost nothing on the colorful motels that have been generating so much renewed interest in Wildwood lately. At least much of Wildwood's boardwalk and motels survive for now, unlike in Atlantic City, where almost all of a century's worth of history has been bulldozed by the frightening economic force of the casinos, who completely run the town and get all of their demolition wishes granted. However, if your travels take you past A.C., do make a stop at the famous White House Sub Shop (I think it's on Arctic Avenue, or maybe Baltic), with better steaks and hoagies than anywhere in Philadelphia, and amazing photos on the wall (look for pic of the Beatles eating their food -- which is reproduced in the very wonderful book ATLANTIC CITY: 125 YEARS OF OCEAN MADNESS). Then drive through Margate (a suburb just South of Atlantic City) to see beautiful old summer homes of rich Philadelphians, and Lucy The Elephant, one of the great iconic buildings of the East Coast. Ocean City, between A.C. and Wildwood, is another nice old seaside town with a fun boardwalk and many early twentieth century buildings (although it's fanciest, oldest hotel closed a few years ago, to be made into a senior home). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) What ruined music? Date: 12 Aug 2000 14:11:18 +0200 I'm not sure, if I understood your last point. alan zweig wrote: > In other words, "capitalists" are so pathetically ignorant and > inefficient when it comes to figuring out what will sell, that you can > hardly blame them for anything. They just hoist it up the flagpole - all > of it - and wait to see how many buyers salute. Capitalism, for me that's mainly the competition society and the fact that I have to sell my labour. If you take a closer look at my last post you read: "Freedom of choice for consumers means it (freedom)'s getting less for producers and makes the world worse for all of us. " So I didn't blame the capitalists for everything. We all are capitalists; but that's why we can't give our products away for free, even if we had a really big heart and wanted to let everybody participate in the results of our work. It's also the reason why the internet, that started as a free exchange of ideas is getting so tight lately. I don't know any alternative to capitalism that I could really recommend, though, so maybe this discussion is worthless. So I stop now, too. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) what ruined music Date: 12 Aug 2000 14:12:02 +0200 Paul Thomas wrote: > But no one is writing about music, economics, the popular > novel and home decorations all at one go like Marx and Nietzsche did. Too > bad because we could certainly use that illuminting sensibility today. Exactely. It would take a lifetime of work to acomplish something like that. It seems to be a big project. Very big. But if nobody uses his/her brain anymore, then the machines win. > What I object to about contemporary Modernism is it sheer ugliness and > lack of sophistication and the disconnection with the past. That's why Post-modernism came up, being very decorative, sophisticated and connected to all kinds of pasts, just what you demand. And since some 15 years or so. Funny you recommend a connection with the past: I'm reading a book by a Krishnamurti, called "Freedom from the Known", who recommends the exact opposite. He claims, everything we know and believe is only chains that hold us back and make us obey to society's rule etc. I find it quite amazing... Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Jackson Subject: Re: (exotica) Philip Glass Date: 12 Aug 2000 23:03:51 +1000 on 12/8/00 12:53 AM, Paul Thomas at modern_times@hotmail.com wrote: > Regarding Philip Glass ~~~ > > > There is no 'bad' Philip Glass. It's all fabulous. His orchestration of the Aphex Twin track "ICCT Hedral" is rather good too. BTW I saw "Einstein On The Beach" performed live in a full operatic staging in Melbourne a few years back and it was wonderful. Philip -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) what ruined music/Capitalism in fiction Date: 12 Aug 2000 08:17:27 -0500 Paul Thomas wrote: >~~> To paraphrase Joseph Conrad ... 'Mista Marx ... him dead.' There is no >one of Marx's scale and depth writing today. The closest may be Tom Wolfe i= n >a certain sense. But no one is writing about music, economics, the popular >novel and home decorations all at one go like Marx and Nietzsche did. Too >bad because we could certainly use that illuminting sensibility today. Try Richard Powers' novel, Gain (Ferrar, Straus & Giroux, 98). Not much music in the book, though it gets into economics, storytelling, biography, marketing, mass culture, medicine, gardening, transformation of Zeitgeist, and more about soap than you ever thought you'd know. Traces the rise of an 1800s cottage manufactury into a contemporary chemical conglomerate. Counterpoint: a woman who contracts cancer. Not a happy tale but a very shrewd one. Powers is astonishing. Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Thomas" Subject: (exotica) Twilight of the Tikis (Act two) Date: 12 Aug 2000 14:14:42 GMT ...Twilight of the Tikis, Act two... In which Brunnehilde immolate herself upon Siegfried's rekkid collection while the Last Trader Vic's of the Gods is destroyed. Special theremin interlude performed by Miss Nelly Aglet R.A.T.S. (Royal Academy of Theremin Soloists). Okeh, I promise not to drag out any more critical theory books from my library, but here are a few more books on the 'what ruined ...' subject. Guide to Kulchur by Ezra Pound ~~> you can't create the 'new' without a grounding in the Classics. Understanding Media and The Gutenberg Galaxy by Marshall MacLuhan ~~> The 'Global Village' and media manipulation. He was right all along. From Bauhaus to Our House and The Painted Word by Tom Wolfe ~~> Bauhaus: how the 'machine for living' became the ugly urban strip mall. Painted Word is a slam at Clement Greenberg and the Abstract Im/Expressionists of the 60s and 70s. Art as slave to the critic. Against Interpretation by Susan Sontag ~~> the 'Notes on Camp' essay is still brilliant today. anything by R. Buckminster Fuller ~~> how to co-exist on the planet without all the New Age mush. I'll stop now. ~~Paul~~ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darrell Brogdon" Subject: (exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour Date: 12 Aug 2000 09:33:43 -0500 On this week's Retro Cocktail Hour webcast, we'll preview "Bullitt", the new CD featuring music from Steve McQueen's 1968 cop thriller. Lalo Schifrin's ultra-cool score has been newly recorded by the WDR Big Band and is available on Lalo's own Aleph Records. Tune in the live webcast at 7:00pm Central time tonight for a chance to win FREE copies of "Bullitt"! Also on the show, the Now Sounds of The Corporation (Dick Hyman, Phil Kraus, Vinnie Bell, et al); bossa nova by organist Ed Lincoln and Astrud Gilberto; ace percussionist Carlos Vidal from his very rare "Congo Drums", also featuring bongocero Mike Pacheco; the "13 fingers of Sir Julian"; and tunes by Les Maledictus Sound, Arling and Cameron, Les Baxter, Group 1, Kenyon Hopkins and Russ Garcia. To hear The Retro Cocktail Hour on the Web, just visit: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Or tune in for the live webcast (and your chance to win a free copy of "Bullitt"!) tonight at 7:00 Central time at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/realaudio/index.htm As always, your comments and suggestions are welcome. Thanks for the space! Darrell Brogdon dbrogdon@ukans.edu The Retro Cocktail Hour KANU Radio Broadcasting Hall The University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045 Visit The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Listen to The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retrolisten.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) Twilight of the Tikis (what ruined music) Date: 12 Aug 2000 11:01:44 -0500 Paul Thomas wrote: > I think we should rename the 'what ruined music' thread Twilight of the > Tikis (which could also be a tune by Martin Denny) or, generally, > Gotterdamerung. I'd like to produce this, but I'll have to insist on casting the ghost of Screamin' Jay Hawkins in the role Siegfried. Les Baxter's chapped ass can have a minor role as one of the Niebilungen. > Sexual Personnae by Camille Paglia ~~> The Egyptians we the most Modern > civilization of all beside which we are just pale imitators. I think she's > spot on as a cultural critic. A truly great gender work of cultural, spiritual, literary, and emotional analysis. Anyone who can use the phrase "Chthonic ooze" in a sentence wins my undying admiration.. > ~~>Frankly, I think contemporary culture is just a re-hash of Dadaism from > 1923. Tschah, yah...and then Kurt Schwitters'll fly out of my butt... -- Matt Marchese mjmarch@charter.net http://reality.sgi.com/mattm_americas/ "Lucky Fruit, the dried corpse is horrible!" -Peacock King *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) Caroline Now! on Marina Date: 12 Aug 2000 18:38:55 +0200 Marina has put out a new compilation recently of cover-versions of the rather rare Brian Wilson tunes. It's called Caroline Now! and I think it's a great compilation. At first listening I was a bit disappointed as only a few of the arrangers seemed to attempt to dress up Wilson's compositions in contemporary clothes. But then the CD grew enormously each time I listened to it. It's in fact the best example I can think of to disprove those pessimistic voices, who think music was better then than it is now, as this compilation is full of skillful arrangements and subtle vocals and instrument playing all the way. Please check out http://www.marina.com for details! Sorry, if I sound like the PR department of Marina sometimes, but I just really love what they do in most cases. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Lenkei Subject: (exotica) recent finds Date: 12 Aug 2000 16:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Found a bunch of stuff over the past week or so.... Sid Ramin, Soundtrack to the move Stiletto. Except for one or two sleepy, romantic tunes, this thing is amazing. Track after track of funky late 60s crime-wave, chase-scene music. The one vocal tune is a delightfully cheesy samba-ish thing with such horrible lyrics, that I cant help but love it. Edmond De Luca, Safari Sort of a Les Baxter imitation. A big orchestra does jungle sounding tunes. Lots of drumming and chanting, with gunshots thrown in on one track. Its pretty good record. The Sleepwalk guitars of Dan and Dale, Themes from Goldfinger and Zorba the Greek. I've never heard of these guys. Are they some kind of Santo and Johnny rip-off? I expected this to be pretty bad, but surprisingly, its quite nice. Sort of like the Ventures, but with a lot of organ flying around, which is always a good thing IMO. Marty Gold, Wired for Sound A bit better than a lot of other Gold stuff Ive heard. Higher than Fi was a big disapointment for me. The ratio of interesting tunes to sleepy dull stuff on this one is overwhelmingly on the interesting side. Odd, funny arrangements and strange instrumentation even on the slow moving songs. Quite nice. Maybe its because Sid Ramin helps out on this one, I dont know. Music from the TV show One Step Beyond Cool metallic foil cover! Some of the songs like Fear and Weird are great. Moody, strange and creepy little tunes. But theres also a good amount of un-strange filler stuff like Paris, You are my Love and Bygone Memories. Edmundo Ros, Ros on Broadway This is the earliest Ros record I've found, from 1957. Latin-ized versions of show tunes of course. Nothing super wild or crazy, but almost every song is pretty good, and a lot of the arrangements are above average. No singing from Edmundo. A big plus. Edmundo Ros, La Bamba A lot of the songs here were made famous by Herb Alpert, whose versions I prefer over these. This album just isnt as good as other Ros stuff I have. - bruce ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit The Exotica Review As many exotica/lounge record reviews as possible! on the web at: www.bway.net/~er ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cheryl Subject: Re: (exotica) Towa of Bebel Date: 12 Aug 2000 20:51:36 -0500 I was really looking forward to seeing her - not only is she touring, but she was performing at the Montreal Jazz Festival - in a free outdoor show!! So we arrange to get a babysitter, head out for a lovely evening, get to the festival site for 10 pm, when she's supposed to start, only to discover that they decided to move the show an hour earlier. So we caught about the last 30 seconds of the concert...oh, well... (but at least we saw Czerkinsky at the Francofolies last week, and that was free, too - can't complain. We even took Alexander to that one, but he thought it was too loud!). cheryl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cheryl Subject: (exotica) Hotel Easy Date: 12 Aug 2000 21:07:51 -0500 Just found three of the four "Hotel Easy" compilations, and (of course) just had to buy them! I am wondering if this series is even still in print (I found it in a shop where they had likely been sitting for quite a while...) Anyone know where I can find "St. Tropez", the one I'm missing? thanks, cheryl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) recent finds - D&D Date: 12 Aug 2000 21:43:27 -0400 >The Sleepwalk guitars of Dan and Dale, Themes from Goldfinger and Zorba >the Greek. >I've never heard of these guys. Are they some kind of Santo and Johnny >rip-off? I expected this to be pretty bad, but surprisingly, its quite >nice. Sort of like the Ventures, but with a lot of organ flying around, >which is always a good thing IMO. Is this on Tifton, like the "Sensational Guitars Of Dan & Dale" Batman album (the one cut by Sun Ra and The Blues Project)? I've always wondered about the saga of "Dan & Dale" -- there do seem to be an undetermined number of albums under that name. It always struck me like it started off as a Santo & Johnny cash-in, and then the label (labels? which labels?) applied the name to whatever batch of tapes fell through the mailslot next. Was there ever a real Dan & Dale? Or was it always just a name applied to anonymous studio players? Anyone? Please? thanks, m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com http://ookworld.com/linkalog/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: (exotica) Tikidammerung Date: 12 Aug 2000 20:41:52 -0500 Thanks to Mr. Thomas for the snappy condensation of Twilight of the Tikis and Gotterdammerung. After we conspired a bit offline, I felt compelled to flesh out the cast and synopsis a bit more. Enjoy. Tikidammerung: The Twilight of the Tiki Gods ******************************************** Producer: Paul Thomas Director: Matt Marchese Cast **** Siegfried: Screamin' Jay Hawkins Wotan: Martin Denny Loge: Les Baxter Fricka: Yma Sumac Froh: Jean Jacques Perrey Freia: Julie London Donner: Tom Jones Erda: Camille Paglia Brunnhilde: Mama Cass Elliot King of the Mau Mau: Little Richard Hagen: Sir Paul McCartney Gunther: Todd Rundgren Gutrun: Karen Carpenter Mime: Esquivel Albericht: Serge Gainsbourg The Valkyries: Madonna, Britney Spears, LeAnn Rimes, Ashley Judd, Li'l Kim, Christina Aguilera, Salt 'N' Pepa The Norns: Marianne Faithful, Anita Pallenberg, Jerry Hall The Merseymaidens: Lulu, Dusty Springfield, Petula Clark Synopsis ******** Prologue Scene: Night on the Valkyrie's concert stage The three Norns are weaving the Rope of Destiny and reflecting on the past, present, and future of popular music. The first Norn thinks on the earliest times when Wotan drank at the spring of melody and fashioned his spear from a branch of the Mango Tree, the tree to which the Norns' rope was tied. That tree has now died, so they tie the rope to an ordinary pine tree instead. The second Norn secures the other end of the rope to a rock and tells how Wotan's spear was shattered and that now he has ordered that the branches of the Mango Tree be piled around the Quiet Village as a funeral pyre. The third Norn tells how Loge's fire will one day consume the Quiet Village and the gods who live within it; Wotan, Fricka, Froh, Donner, and Freia. They examine the rope but cannot tell more as it has frayed and tangled. They sink into the earth back to Erda their mother. As they disappear from sight into the Chthonic Ooze, the only sound that can be heard is the ferocious clacking of their vagina dentata. Day breaks and Siegfried and Brunnhilde emerge from their cave. They exchange gifts. He gives her the pair of magic zebraskin shoes that enable their wearer to top the Billboard charts forever, and she gives him a bite of her magic ham sandwich that makes the one who consumes it immortal. Siegfried sets off on a journey down the Mersey River. Act 1 Gunther and Gutrune sit with their half brother Hagen in the ancestral home of the Mau Mau, Ratskeller Hall on the banks of the Mersey. Gunther says he is concerned that the name of their family is waning. Hagen suggests that their fame and honor might be preserved if Gunther were to marry Brunnhilde the Valkyrie who sleeps on the Valkyrie's stage in a bathtub filled with chocolate pudding. Hagen goes on to suggest that Gutrune could marry Siegfried who now possesses Albericht and Mime's hoard of hard-carton mentholated Kools, thereby gaining both a hero and a treasure. In addition, Siegfried is the only hero strong enough to breach the fire that surrounds the Quiet Village. As they sit planning, Siegfried comes into view on his raft, they hail him and make him welcome, Gutrune offers him a drink of Alligator Wine which Hagen has drugged; the effect of the drink causes Siegfried to forget Brunnhilde and fall in love with Gutrune. Gunther and Siegfried pledge blood brotherhood by pricking their thumbs, showing each other their weiners, and drinking a half-can of warm Lowenbrau that Gunther found at the local kegeling alley. Gunther then outlines his plan to capture Brunnhilde by luring her out of the bathtub while posing naked covered with leberkaese. Siegfried promises to help in this venture. Gunther and Siegfried sail of in search of Brunnhilde. Hagen reveals that he is not the true son of the King of the Mau Mau, but is in fact the son of Albericht. He further declares that his only intention is to regain the magic pair of zebraskin shoes so that he can rule the world of music for all eternity. On the stage, Brunnhilde is visited by her sister Valkyries who tell her the sad tale of how the gods are all huddled together in the Quiet Village waiting for their end. They ask Brunnhilde to give the magic shoes back to the Merseymaidens, but she refuses to do so saying that it is Siegfried's love token and she will not part with it. The sisters leave in despair. Siegfried's horn is heard and Brunnhilde prepares to greet her returning lover, only Siegfried has used his magic skull on a stick "Henry" to make himself appear in the guise of Gunther. He tells her that he claims her as his bride, grabs the shoes from off her feet, and orders her into the bathtub. He then swears an oath that his "Little Demon" will lie forever between him and the bride of his blood brother. Act 2 It is night. Hagen is asleep outside the Ratskeller Hall. Albericht appears to him in a dream, smoking Gitanes, and butt-naked except for a little black beret; he reminds Hagen to only write silly love songs full of sexual innuendo and to work tirelessly to regain the shoes. Albericht eventually runs out of Gitanes and disappears as the frogs along the banks of the river begin croaking at dawn. Shortly afterwards Siegfried appears; he has used Henry to travel from the Valkyrie stage magically. He tells Hagen and Gutrune how early that morning he brought Brunnhilde to the river where Gunther was waiting on his raft and then managed to slip away and leave Brunnhilde with the real Gunther. Hagen calls his vassals together and tells them to prepare for the double wedding feast of the Mau Mau by cutting the fat off the back of a baboon, boiling it down with a spoon, and scooping out the eye of a fly flying backwards. He also tells them to came armed for battle and that it may be necessary to defend Gunther's wife. Gunther's raft arrives and the men greet Gunther and Brunnhilde. When Brunnhilde sees that Siegfried is betrothed to Gutrune and is wearing the shoes which were taken from her the previous night, she realizes how she has been tricked and accuses Siegfried of treachery both to herself and to his blood brother Gunther. Siegfried is till under the influence of Gutrune's drug and so he remembers nothing of meeting Brunnhilde previously. To avoid compromising Gunther, he denies his part in winning his bride for him and swears his innocence on the point of Hagen's spear. Brunnhilde redoubles her accusations and dedicates Hagen's spear as the destroyer of the deceiver. Siegfried calms the onlookers with great difficulty and invites them all to join in the feast of the Mau Mau. Hagen, Gunther, and Brunnhilde stay behind. Hagen persuades the now humiliated Gunther that Siegfried must die and and hints as to how much power the shoes will bring Gunther. Brunnhilde agrees with the plan and also tells Hagen to strike at Siegfried's exposed ass, as that is the only part of his body that is vulnerable. To spare Gutrune's feelings they will make the death look like a hunting accident. Act 3. The next morning a hunting party has been assembled. During the hunt, Siegfried gets separated from the party and meets the Merseymaidens while wandering along the banks of the river. They beg him for the shoes; at first he agrees to give them to the maidens, but when they tell him of the shoes' curse and predict his death that very day, he changes his mind. The maidens leave and go to find Brunnhilde who they say will inherit the treasure of Kools. Gunther, Hagen and Siegfried eventually meet up again and Hagen prompts Siegfried to recount his many deeds to cheer up Gunther who appears downcast. Siegfried tells of his childhood with Mime; how he and Mime would stroll along the beach checking out the mucha muchachas and singing, "zu-zu-zu SPROING!", and how Brunnhilde put the Wamee on him by Casting a Spell that drove him into a Frenzy. At this point Hagen gives him a drink with a herb in to restore his memory. Siegfried then goes on to tell how he jumped into Brunnhilde's bathtub and eat all of the chocolate pudding, which cured his Constipation Blues and allowed him to win her for his wife. Gunther is alarmed at Siegfried's shameless appropriation of song titles to move the narrative along, and Hagen thrusts his spear into Siegfried's ass while he isn't looking. The dying Siegfried takes leave of Brunnhilde. The vassals place his body on his shield and carry it back to Ratskeller Hall. Gutrune is awaiting Siegfried's return; when she sees that he is dead she accuses her brothers of his murder, kneels by her dead lover and sings, "We'd Only Just Begun" before running off into the woods to commit suicide through self-induced vomiting. Hagen proudly defends his part in the deed and claims the magic shoes for himself. Gunther contests the claim, they fight, and Hagen kills Gunther. Hagen is about to take the shoes when Siegfried's dead feet rise in a threatening gesture. Hagen falls back horrified. Brunnhilde appears, she has learnt the whole story from the Merseymaidens. She commands the men to build a huge funeral pyre for Siegfried. She takes the shoes which she will return to the maidens after the fire has removed their curse. She calls to the pink flamingos, Wotan's messengers, and bids them take a message that the event he has been waiting for is about to take place, and on the way they are to go by the Valkyrie stage and tell Loge, who is there nursing a chapped ass, to go to the Quiet Village and meet his destiny. She then lights Siegfried's pyre, and when it is fully ablaze she stuffs the rest of the ham sandwich into her mouth and jumps into the Mersey which causes the river to overflow its banks. The flood douses the pyre and allows the maidens to snatch away the magic shoes. Hagen makes a desperate attempt to wrest the shoes from the maidens, but they grab him and drown him. The Norns, dressed in miniskirts and neon go-go boots, frug lasciviously in front of giant lava lamps on the Valkyrie stage while the Quiet Village bursts into flames and consumes the Tiki Gods. The Valkyries drive Hagen's soldiers off into the stars on little go-karts while Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass play "Casino Royale". Brunnhilde, Siegfried, Hagen, Gunther, and Gutrune appear in the glowing red sky smoking Kools and singing "I Got You, Babe". Finally, the river recedes leaving the earth cleansed and ready to start anew. As the curtain falls, the Three Norns can be seen watching an N'Sync video while weaving an all-new Rope of Destiny which, not surprisingly, looks an awful lot like the old Rope of Destiny. Finis ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Lenkei Subject: (exotica) More Dan & Dale Date: 12 Aug 2000 22:33:06 -0400 (EDT) The one I found is on Diplomat. Not sure how Diplomat figures into the budget label saga. The liner notes mention that this is the second D&D album, the first being "Dear Heart". - bruce ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit The Exotica Review As many exotica/lounge record reviews as possible! on the web at: www.bway.net/~er ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On Sat, 12 Aug 2000, m.ace wrote: > Is this on Tifton, like the "Sensational Guitars Of Dan & Dale" Batman > album (the one cut by Sun Ra and The Blues Project)? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoyGBivIM@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Hugo here I go, Again. Date: 12 Aug 2000 22:34:46 EDT I've been haveing my own little Matt Helm marathon. I made it through The Silencers and The Wrecking Crew and the Montenegro soundtrack to The Wrecking Crew is somethin' fine. It's like a sillier version of "Lady In Cement". I'll be watching the Ambushers in the next week or so and I gots ta figure that the soundtack to that is equally smooth. Murderer's Row is by Schifrin and that's great, haven't seen the movie in 15 years, but I do have the soundtrack on that one and it's sweet, too. 2 things: I know Montenegro did these soundtracks around the same time Toomorrow (1970), Viva Max! (1969), Undefeated, The (1969), Charro! (1969). Do any of these have those same kind of vocal arraignments? Also are there any other things he did that have his Partridge Family vocal quality, other then "Good Vibrations", which I love. Oh yeah, what portion of the Partridge Family sound tracks did he actually do? -R.G.B. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Karasick Subject: (exotica) Re: Design Records Date: 12 Aug 2000 22:13:41 -0500 Chuck wrote: > I find myself steering away from Design label records. > Am I missing much? The only thing that stands out is that one I mentioned some time back by "The Love Machine" called "Electronic Music to Blow Your Mind By" . I think Nat mentioned finding this one in a thrift shop (my copy came from a record store that had heard it and priced it accordingly!) I noticed another one record of Spy music on this label at the same store but haven't bothered to listen to it. Overall I suspect this isn't a particularly strong or consistent label and I don't think you're missing too much. Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Karasick Subject: (exotica) Re: Minimalists Date: 12 Aug 2000 22:47:48 -0500 Chuck wrote: > I bumped into "Songs From the Trilogy" the other night and I can't stop > playing it. I hadn't heard this for years and years. These are songs from > his 3 Operas, Einstein on the Beach, Satyagraha and Akhnatan. I think > every song is wonderful. Math and Melodies! Its speaks to a higher part of > my brain. As you probably figured from some of the posts following, Philip Glass is not for everyone! I'm among those that go for the early, more difficult works, though my first encounter was via "Glassworks" in the late 70's, which I highly recommend as a starting point. > Can anyone recommend the complete operas or anything else by Glass?? Of all his works I always liked the Mishima soundtrack best. It was also one of the LPs I used to test the quality of a stereo cartridge. I was told some time ago that all of the themes Glass uses can be found in the set "Music in 12 Parts" a 3xCD (5xLP?) box collection from 1988 that I don't think is still in print. I was a huge fan, seeing Glass in concert more times than any other artist and I always wished I could see a staging of Einsten on the Beach someday. Still I lost interest in Glass over the past years and I think Songs from Liquid Days was the point the decline began for me. If its minimalism you want, there are a few other artists you need to explore though: Early Michael Nyman (previous to "The Piano" soundtrack!) will expose you to repetition at a speed that would make Philip Glass dizzy! Do also see the Peter Greenaway films he scored these pieces for; Terry Riley has some amazing stuff, much of it from very long ago that is mesmerizing and hypnotic, and recently reissued thanks to the label "Organ of Corti". Daniel Lentz is another favourite though less known and with less recorded output; Steve Reich is another one who has been around a long time, known for phase shifting techniques; There's also Robert Ashley, who scores his works with his voice as the primary instrument! I think you could include Laurie Anderson in this group, at least through the New York - Downtown connection to Philip Glass. Her "O Superman" first caught me in the new wave days but I later discovered she had been around much longer, and scored what was one of my favourite titles "It's not the bullet that kills you.. It's the hole". Hmmm... time to start up the minimalist discussion list... Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLarry3595@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) recent finds - D&D Date: 13 Aug 2000 00:48:25 EDT I've got some Dan & Dale LPs on Diplomat. Another of the imfamously cheaper than cheap record labels. Sun Ra is only on the Batman LP. These LPs are obviously by different bands/arrangers. One sounds like a 101 Strings LP with tons of booorrrring strings and with ONE guitar playing the melodies very straight with no flourishes or solos. Also the sound is godawful. What is the point of "beautiful" string music if it doesn't atleast sound pretty! Another of the Diplomat Dan & Dale records is more like a B or C rate surf band with electric organ. Larry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cheryl Subject: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, August 13 Date: 13 Aug 2000 00:56:51 -0500 Beyond kitsch, Space Bop is one hour of full galactical wonder, and can be heard every Sunday from 4 to 5 pm Eastern time on CKUT 90.3 FM in Montreal, Canada, and on RealAudio (real time only, for now) at: http://www.ckut.ca As usual, all comments, questions, and feedback welcome. Space Bop #105 Deep Ears This week's show was inspired by the "Deep Throat" soundtrack - need we say more? Listen and enjoy! Manfred Hubler & Siegfried Schwab: Droge CX-9 "Vampyros Lesbos Sexadelic Dance Party" Armando Trovajoli: Vedo Nudo (Shake) "Beat At Cinecitta Vol. 3" Orchester Werner Muller: Sex Machine "Nymphomania Vol. 2" The Monaco Danceband: Snake In The Grass "Nymphomania" Sukia: Feelin' Free "Contacto Espacial Con El Tercer Sexo" Gert Wilden: Sexy Girls "Schulmadchen Report" Anonymous: Nurse Lovelace "Deep Throat" Stereo de Luxe: Blue Rita "Pool Position" The Karminsky Experience: Sessomatto (The Karminsky Experience Mix) "Sessomatto Experience" Rou Dou Dou: Porno Paradise "Suck It And See" DJ Me DJ You: Robot Probe "Simplemachinerock" Gert Wilden: Title Theme "Schulmadchen Report" Orchester Lou Castell: Dear Lover "Nymphomania Vol. 2" Fantastic Plastic Machine: Green Door "Suck It And See" Thanks for reading. cheryls@dsuper.net brian@phyres.lan.mcgill.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Hodge" Subject: (exotica) wah wah in Barcelona Date: 13 Aug 2000 10:49:02 +0100 Just returned from a holiday in Barcelona Couldn't believe it when I visited Wah Wah It really had everything I've been searching around for. What a top record store! Returned wirh a basketful of Schema releases. Wonderful Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) (obit:) Carlos Castaneda Date: 13 Aug 2000 15:25:07 +0200 A Yankee way of knowledge CARLOS CASTANEDA, WHOEVER HE WAS, IS DEAD -- WHATEVER THAT IS. - - - - - - - - - - - - BY IAN SHOALES Last week, the Los Angeles Times ruefully alerted us to the death of Carlos Castaneda, noting the occasion with a baffled overview of his life. He was believed to be 72, born (perhaps) in 1925 in either Brazil or Peru, depending on which story one accepts. On his death certificate, his occupation was listed as a teacher in Beverly Hills, but records don't show Castaneda teaching there. A (possibly bitter) ex-wife was quoted: "Much of the Castaneda mystique is based on the fact that even his closest friends aren't sure who he is." The obituary was accompanied by a very odd photograph taken at the University of Texas in 1951. The picture, however, didn't show a kid in his mid-20s. It looked like a Hollywood publicity photo of a character actor who specializes in playing stout bankers. He might have played one of Lionel Barrymore's clerks in "It's a Wonderful Life." Time's obituary of what it called, in its mighty wisdom, an "enigmatic personality who was either an unfairly vilified anthropologist or a wildly inventive novelist," was accompanied by a picture of a face covered by a hand, with only intense eyes and a few strands of black hair showing. This is the only photograph, according to Time, to which Castaneda would consent. For a cover story! I hadn't thought about Castaneda in years. As a matter of fact, the last time I thought about Carlos Castaneda, after the previous years I hadn't thought about him, was at a party in Mill Valley, Calif., in the early '80s. Midnight or so, a short, long-haired Latino man walked through the door. He had a huge mustache and a grin that ate half his face. On either side of him, two women, gorgeous in a Playboy/hippie kind of way (honey-blond, vacant, faded blue jeans, halter tops, you know), sashayed through the door. They seemed like a dream sequence from a Cheech and Chong movie. After a while, somebody came up to me and shouted over the music (the '80s equivalent of whispering) that this guy was Carlos Castaneda. I went over to the cluster of people surrounding him in the corner of the garage, out of the way of the dancers. He had his wallet open, beaming, showing everybody his driver's license. The two women were moving their bodies idly to the music, looking away, scanning the crowd. I elbowed to his side. Like a stoned pope offering his ring, he held his license up for my view. Sure enough, it said, "Carlos Castaneda." And that was that. I didn't talk with him. I danced until 3 and drove home erratically. Was he the One True Castaneda? I doubt it. He was too young and pleased to be recognized. On the other hand, he did have two fabulous babes following him around, always a sure-fire fame indicator. Maybe he was a con man who'd convinced them that he was the real Castaneda. Maybe he was the genuine Castaneda, acting like a con man to teach us a lesson, and the two women were spiritual guides from a separate reality. I just don't know. After reading the obituary, feeling both nostalgic and mildly alarmed that I couldn't remember what the deal was with Carlos Castaneda, I rushed out and tracked down a copy of "The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge." I found one for $2 in a used bookstore in Santa Rosa, from a woman who seemed excited that I was buying it. I guess the news of Castaneda's demise hadn't precipitated a rush for his output. The book was pretty much as I'd remembered it -- an earnest seeker hooks up with a cranky old magician and learns what fear is. That was the appeal of the book (and series) when I was a kid, and probably remains so today. There are all kinds of echoes in the relationship between Carlos and Don Juan -- Plato and Socrates, Boswell and Johnson, Watson and Holmes, Luke and Yoda, Scully and Mulder. The book is very well written, in an old-fashioned meticulous style that only contributes to the -- what? Verisimilitude, I guess. I liked it as much as I had the first time I read it, which was quite a lot. But I also remembered why I stopped reading the series. "Journey to Ixtlan" was the last one I read, I think, if that's the one that ended with Carlos leaping into the Nagual. Anyway, I didn't leap with him. I lost interest, that's all. I was as fond of amazing dope tales as the next guy, but I wasn't about to pack my troubles in an old kit bag, hitchhike to Sonora and stalk old Apaches in the hope of finding luminous beings, magical gestures or even the secret of life. My parents would have killed me. I'm a Tonal, not a Nagual, kind of guy, in other words. I had a life, such as it was. What Castaneda's life was, though, remains a mystery. He seems to be one of those peculiar Americans (despite his origins), like Joseph Smith, L. Ron Hubbard, Walt Disney or Hugh Hefner, who had a dream of combining mission with marketing. He was more subtle than most, and therefore less successful (though successful enough to remain in print, and on required reading lists, for 30 years). Cruising the Internet, however, I've noted that he has bickering female "disciples," roaming the land, promoting his (Don Juan's?) concept of "tensegrity" through workshops and seminars. Tensegrity is a tool that allows us to cross the bridges of space, time and awareness. Nothing wrong with that, but where's the theme park? The church? The drugs? Ah well, if it isn't dead, Castanedaniasm is young. As are we all. Forever young, forever stupid. As the ever-wise Don Juan put it in "The Teachings," re. the abuse of magical power: "I killed a man with a single blow of my arm ... Once I jumped so high I chopped the top leaves off the highest trees. But it was all for nothing! ... For what? To frighten the Indians?" Really. What's the point of that? That's the true lesson of the '60s, isn't it? On the magic bus, we're all Indians. What's the point of that? SALON | June 24, 1998 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mkg@calle22.com Subject: (exotica) Ukelele Date: 13 Aug 2000 08:28:00 -0700 Just got a Cd called Misfits. Was doubting if I should get it or not, maybe it was the punk band and I'm not into that kind of stuff anymore. Anyway, saw the song listing and it was a compilation. And it included a cover of The Clash's 'Should I Stay or Should I Go' performed by The Ukelele Orchestra of Great Britain. So I bought it and that song is great. Another good one is 'The Crumble Song' by The Lorraine Brown Experience. No ukeleles on that one, though. While reading the liner notes about The Ukelele Orchestra I remembered that I saw not that long ago a news report about a convention of ukelele players and how they were trying to get some respect for their instrument. So I have several questions: Any ideas about why is the ukelele so generally disliked? Is this a fact? Are there any good ukelele records out there? And does anyone kknow where can I buy a cheap ukelele in London? I'm posting here the liner notes of the Misfits Cd about The Ukelele Orchestra, just in case anyone is interested. Bye, Manuel "We are regarded as the anarcho-syndicalists of the ukelele world. The ukelele establishment has ostracised us for refusing to play George Formby numbers". Don't mention the F-word around the Ukelel Orchestra of great Britain, the lamp post-leaning cheeky chappie is emphatically not someone they wish to be associated with, as george Hinchloffe, the suave-and-sophis UOGB cultural attaché, explains: "We try to have as little to do with that as possible. It's all about watchhing ladies undressing through windows." Terribly vulgar. The UOGB repertoire is more tasteful, eclectically mixing and matching classy classics: the Velvets 'Candy Says' with Hawkwind's 'Silver Machine', Tchaikovsky's 'Piano Concerto N. 1' with Kate Bush's 'Wuthering Heights'. Everything is up for grabs. "We are happy to pillage anything from music's rich pageant," says George. "There's no orthodox'repertoire' for the ukelele, so we take a classic song or sound, and rise to the challenge of a Van Halen guitar solo or an Eric Clapton slide piece. Sometimes it's doomed to failure, but we're valiantly rising to the challenge." Gentelaman George first conceived the orchestra in 1985, when he picked up a child's ukelele and had a sudden flash of inspiration. A vista of possibilities opened up bfore him: an entire orchestra that could fit in the back of a transit, an orchestra fully equipped for the price of a decent clarinet case, a world tour with hand luggage only! A year later George's dream was realised as, with co-director Kitty Lux -Emma Peel to his John Steed- he assembled a fledgling eleven-strong orchestra under his baton. The young ukes had barely taken their first steps before success came round to ask them out to play: one minute they were gigging at whistable Oyster Festival, the next playing sell-out concerts in Japan and getting mobbed by teenage girls on the streets of Tokyo. Then Ronnie Scott's, Hyde Parke, Pebble Mill... And then the albums: 'The Ukelele Variation', 'A Fistful of Ukeleles', 'Pluck'... The orchestra's championing of the humble ukelele struck a chord. George puts it down to the uke's hidden depths, "The ukelele is like an iceberg," he reckons. "It seems small and insignificant, but nine tenths of its presence is far larger than its physical dimensions." The orchestra is working on another album, 'Anarchy in the Ukelele', a tribute to mark the 20th anniversary of punk. And that's not all. Oh no, George has big plans for his little ukeleles. He dreams of a uke-fest, an orchestral orgy of 1000 ukelele-ists playing together in the Albert Hall. To quote one of their Japanese headlines: Gather Many Small Instruments And Play Big Music. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: Design Record Label Date: 12 Aug 2000 17:01:34 +0200 The Love Machine: Electronic Music To Blow Your Mind By!! Design 282 Sounds a lot like Jimmy Haskel's "Countdown": late 1950's style guitar and organ instro with a lot of electronic sounds and effects added. Personally, I think "Countdown" is better because there the electronic and other zounds are part of the music, while here The Love Machine is more like playing a game of "now let's see how many weird sounds we can put on top of this cheesy instro music". Still amazing stuff though! The Galaxy Generation: Aquarius, Good Morning Starshine, Hair Design SDLP 302 Stereo quote from Jack Diamond's sale list: Titles; Aquarius, Good Morning Starshine, Hair, The Sign Of The Zodiac, Star Fall, Sun Quadrant, Gemini, No Love But Yor Love, Lover's Dream, We Found Our Paradise. seriously cheesy organ led instrumentals, WITH bongos, electric guitars, with all sorts of electronic keyboard and organ sounds. Quite a groovy psudo-psychedelic cash in cover to boot reminding me of the Jimi Hendrix Experience. Drop ACID, NOW! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robbie Baldock" Subject: Re: (exotica) (obit:) Carlos Castaneda Date: 13 Aug 2000 18:04:22 +0100 Moritz R wrote: > CARLOS CASTANEDA, WHOEVER HE WAS, IS DEAD -- WHATEVER > THAT IS Why are you posting this 2-year-old news?! Robbie ** ** ** * Spaced Out - the Enoch Light Website * ** ** ** ** ** ** * http://www.rcb.easynet.co.uk/light/ * ** ** ** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Ukulele Date: 13 Aug 2000 14:56:11 -0400 >Just got a Cd called Misfits. Was doubting if I should get it or not, maybe it was the punk band and I'm not into that kind of stuff anymore. Anyway, saw the song listing and it was a compilation. And it included a cover of The Clash's 'Should I Stay or Should I Go' performed by The Ukelele Orchestra of Great Britain. So I bought it and that song is great. So I should give them another shot? I have a comp including their cover of "Johnny B. Goode" and was pretty disappointed given their PR. I found it rather stodgy at best. But then, I feel there should be a moratorium on "Johnny B. Goode" covers enforced with serious prison terms, so... >While reading the liner notes about The Ukelele Orchestra I remembered that I saw not that long ago a news report about a convention of ukelele players and how they were trying to get some respect for their instrument. So I have several questions: Any ideas about why is the ukelele so generally disliked? Is this a fact? Probably the same deal as so many other instruments that were banished when rock-n-roll and the electric guitar steamrollered the culture. Like a lot of them, it's coming back into vogue lately. Sort of. Maybe with some patronizing snickers from the media. It does seem that the time to pick up quality ukes for cheap money is well past. >Are there any good ukelele records out there? And does anyone know where can I buy a cheap ukelele in London? Uh, a record list I'll leave for someone else (other than noting that Roy Smeck tears it up and then tears it down). But here's a batch of links. And most of these sites have still more links. Ukulele Hall Of Fame Museum http://www.ukulele.org/ These people had a convention several months ago. Maybe that's the one you read about? Ukulele Diner http://ukediner.ukulele.org/ Flea Market Music http://www.fleamarketmusic.com/ Brudda Bu's Ukulele Heaven http://www.geocities.com/~ukulele/ Riot Ukes http://www.riotukes.org/ The Ukulele Orchestra Of Great Britain http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2819/index.html Ukuleles By Kawaika http://www.ukuleles.com/ Bounty Music http://www.maui.net/~ukulele/ Roy T. Cone's Ukulele News http://www.c-com.net/~roycone/ I found a lead on a British uke dealer, but the link turned out to be dead. Here's Elderly Instruments' listing (Michigan, USA) of new ukes currently on hand, ranging from the cheap to the very expensive: http://www.elderly.com/new_instruments/180N.htm They also have a selection of vintage/used ukes, but there isn't generally anything cheap there: Elderly Instruments - vintage ukes http://www.elderly.com/vintage/180U.htm For strings... avoid the clear nylon sets -- they sound wimpy. The black nylon sound phatter. I like the Hilo & Kamaka brands. GHS are supposed to be good too. hope that helps, m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com http://ookworld.com/linkalog/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arjan Plug" Subject: (exotica) New releases (Morricone, Umiliani, Sala, Sun Ra, Goblin, Coconut) Date: 13 Aug 2000 21:11:45 +0200 New stuff in at Forced Exposure ( http://www.forcedexposure.com.) ____________________________________________ DAGORED (ITALY): VA: More Delicious Spaghetti Westerns CD (RED 115 CD). "Finally, the followup to the mighty My Delicious Spaghetti Western from a couple of years ago. This time you will find all the best Italian composers of film music - Ennio Morricone, Piero Piccioni, Luis Bacalov, Armando Trovajoli, Riz Ortolani, Alessandro Alessandroni, and more. Compiled by Orsotopo with liner notes by Roberto Zamori." $15.00 MORRICONE, ENNIO: Il Poliziotto Della Brigata Criminale CD (RED 116 CD). "The original soundtrack recording for this 1975 obscure Franch crime movie (known in the US as Night Caller) directed by Henri Verneuil and starring Jean-Paul Belmondo. A thriller drama about a psychotic serial killer who makes obscene phone calls to beautiful women and later kills them. Liner notes by Roberto Zamori." $15.00 _____________________________________________ EASY TEMPO (ITALY): UMILIANI, PIERO: Musicaelettronica CD (ET 930 CD). "Finally available. The maestro Umiliani working with primitive synth machines and weird recording techniques from 1969 to the late 70s. If you like Martin Denny, Perry & Kingsley, Andre Popp and the Jefferson Airplane or Keith Emerson, jazz standards and space age bachelor pad music, this one is for you." $15.00 UMILIANI, PIERO: Musicaelettronica 2LP (ET 930 LP). $18.00 _____________________________________________ FAX (GERMANY): catalog item in stock for the first time: SALA, OSKAR: My Fascinating Instrument CD (PS 08/76). "Highly desirable 1995 compilation CD, long unavailable due to the trademark 'limited to 1000/available this week only' spec of classic-era Fax releases, now repressed. Sala is of course the Hindemith protege, film scorist (The Birds, but no lessly Herrliche Zeiten Im Spessart), actor (see Make Love Not War, now...), and general lad-about-town who in 1949 'succeeded in discovering a long-sought circuit' which transformed Dr. Friedrich Trautwein's gossamer Trautonium into the 'Mixturtrautonium', a megalon bank of frail oscillators and prosthetic control devices. The tones generated within such an anomaly are about as alien as you could chance upon, and under the direction of Sala's nimble digits all manner of sprites and sprockets do dance (often with the aid of early electronic room-emulation units, often applied in liberal helpings ala 'musique concrete') . Recordings herein range from 1952 to 1990, offering the inquisitive a golden window into a rather seminal machine soul. Glad to have you back." -- Hrvatski. $16.00 GET BACK (ITALY): SUN RA: Concert for the Comet Kohoutek CD (GET 1011 CD). "Kouhoutek's fly past wasn't quite the big event it was billed to be but, however, inspired Sun Ra and his Arkestra to record live at Town Hall in New York City in December 1972. That's what it is, Sun Ra live. 1000 copies limited edition in a cardboard sleeve." $16.00 RIGHT TEMPO (ITALY): VA: Dimensione Jazz 2LP (RT 810LP). A collection of rare Italian-produced jazz, mostly from the 60s & 70s, issued on the Right Tempo Classics series. Featuring: Living Music, Enrico Rave, Dusko Goykovic, Lee Konitz, Wilfredo Stephenson, Chet Baker (singing "Il Mio Domani" backed by the Ennio Morricone Orchrestra in Rome, 1962), Helen Merrill (backed by the Piero Umiliani Orchestra, 1960), Mario Schiano, I.P. Son Group, Renato Sellani Trio, Paolo Conte Quartet, Gil Cuppini Quintet & Style. $18.00 DAGORED (ITALY): 0.S.T. (GOBLIN): Dawn of the Dead LP (RED 117 LP). "The original soundtrack recording for this 1979 US cult movie by horror director George A. Romero (the epic sequel to his legendary Night Of The Living Dead). Terrific music score by Goblin and Dario Argento (yes, the Italian director). Liner notes by Roberto Zamori. Free poster included. 180 gram vinyl in gatefold sleeve." "In contrast to Argento's own fretful tempos, Goblin create a plodding, lumbering main theme which fits the slow movement of massed zombies. Fat drums, chunky bass, tubular bells, spaced-out synth chords -- the arrangement is a mutation of Black Sabbath's first LP and Morricone's early Spaghetti Western scores. Inappropriately overstated? Maybe. Luridly stylish? Definitely." -- Philip Brophy/The Wire. $15.00 _____________________________________________ MULTICOLOR (GERMANY): SENOR COCONUT: Tour De France 12" (MCR 107). "Futurism -- an old-fashioned concept! It would be pointless and even superfluous to list projects or releases from Uwe Schmidt's past once again. Uwe Schmidt is Atom Heart, LB, label manager (Rather Interesting), musician, and -- Señor Coconut! Ever since he moved to South America (Chile) some time ago, he has been presenting us with absolute delicacies in electronic music, i.e., the Pop Artificielle album (the cover songs of pop history) or with his album El Baile Alemán. You wouldn´t expect anybody to do Kraftwerk covers in a Latin style, would you? Just listen to this EP and get a clue of what the album El Baile Alemán might sound like... Additional to the mixes by DJ Good Groove (well known through his Pulse project on Harthouse) of "Tour De France", this 12" EP also contains two versions of the exclusive non-LP track 'Expo2000'!" Tracklisting:: A1 "Tour De France" (Merengue Album Version), A2: "Expo2000 (Mambo Original - exclusive!), A3: "Expo2000" (Mambo Instrumental - exclusive!), B1: "Tour De France" (Good Groove´s 501 Vocal Mix), B2: "Tour De France" (Good Groove´s 501 Instrumental Mix). $8.50 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HEDCANDY@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Really Bad Music Date: 13 Aug 2000 16:24:24 EDT In all of this lists travails involving lounge music, I would be interested in hearing what you consider "the worst" of "the worst" in terms of camp value. In other words, stuff so bad, it is excellent. I have compiled four CDRs of this material. Here are my track listings: VOLUME ONE 1. Mother - Mr. T 2. John Shaft - Sammi Davis Jr. 3. Who Loves You Baby? - Telly Savalas 4. Teri, The Security Director - L. Ron Hubbard 5. Fly, Yar Warriors Fly - Yar's Revenge Orch. 6. Lapti Nek - Dance Mix from Return Of The Jedi 7. Cantina Band - Electric Moog Orch. 8. Friday The 13th Part III Theme- Harry Manfredini 9. Just A Closer Walk With Thee - Geraldine And Ricky 10. Mr. T's Commandment - Mr. T 11. The Fonz Song - The Sound Effects 12. Movin' On Up - Boots Randolph 13. Pop Goes The Weasel - Anthony Newley 14. The Candyman - Anthony Newley 15. Your Cheatin' Heart - Bill "Candyman" Kehr 16. Mr. Tambourine Man - William Shatner 17. Lay Lady Lay - Hugo Montenegro 18. Don't Talk To Strangers - Mr. T 19. The Drone - L. Ron Hubbard 20. Close Encounters Of The 3rd Kind Theme - MECO VOLUME TWO 1. Fixing A Hole - George Burns 2. Come Together - Robin Williams / Bobby McFerrin 3. Setting Sun - Flock Of Seagulls 4. 1999 - Gary Numan 5. I Can't Stop Lovin' You - Gil Trythall 6. You've Lost That Lovin Feelin' - Telly Savalas 7. Like ,Young - Perry Como 8. Downtown - Frank Sinatra 9. Light My Fire - Enoch Light 10. Toughest Man In The World - Mr. T 11. Star Trek Theme - Ferrante & Teicher 12. It Was A Very Good Year - William Shantner 13. Feelings - Arnie Aka Nui 14. Bennie & The Jets - Biz Markie 15. Southern Nights - Boots Randolph 16. Bringing In The Sheaves - Mike Curb 17. Joy To The World - Hugo Montenegro 18. I've Got A Golden Ticket - Anthony Newley 19. When I'm Five - David Bowie 20. My Way - Hugo Montenegro VOLUME THREE 1. Plop Plop Fizz Fizz - Sammi Davis Jr. 2. Girl From Ipanema - Frank Sinatra 3. I Am Woman - Muzak 4. Something For The Boys - Ethel Merman 5. Makin' Love In Public Places - Love Orchestra 6. Sir Duke - Enoch Light 7. Get Off My Cloud - Harmonicats 8. Hard Days Night - Goldie Hawn 9. Batman - Adam West 10. Yars Revenge - Yars Revenge Orchestra 11. By The Time I Get To Phoenix - Gil Trythall 12. Please Release Me - Earl Bradley 13. Yeller' Submarine - Charles River Boys 14. No Business Like Show Business - Ethel Merman 15. Name Game - Divine 16. Love In Your Knees - A Flock Of Seagulls 17. I Need A Chick - DEVO 18. Dirty Song - Carlos Peron VOLUME FOUR 1. I Wanna Be A Hulkamaniac - Hulk Hogan 2. John - Research 1: 6:12 3. Something - Telly Savalas 4. Here We Go Round - Leonard Nimoy 5. Rock-IT Man - William Shatner 6. This Used To Be My Playground - Flock Of Seagulls 7. Superbowl Shuffle - Chicago Bears 8. Pac Man Fever - Buckner & Garcia 9. Disco Girl From Ipanema - Astrud Gilberto 10. Join The Gospel Express - Marcy 11. Neandrathal Man - James Last 12. World Inside Your Eyes - Modern Man (Day Of The Dead Sndtrk) 13. Stayin Alive / Night Fever - Arthur Fiedler 14. Miranda - Adam West 15. My Cherie Amour - Tony Bagwell on moog 16. Life On Mars - John Keating on Arp 17. Mamae Ev Querio / Chica Chica Boom Chic - Astrud Gilberto 18. Hulkster In Heaven - Hulk Hogan Comments? Additions? Maybe we can start a trading round of bad music... I always love to put these on when friends come round' to visit. Many jaws drop. Most of the songs will s(t)ick in your craw like a popcorn shuck... but in a good way... makes your gums bleed Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica) Really Bad Music Date: 13 Aug 2000 14:00:26 -0700 (PDT) HEDCANDY@aol.com wrote: > I would be interested in hearing what you consider "the worst" of "the worst" in terms of camp value > 8. Downtown - Frank Sinatra > 2. Girl From Ipanema - Frank Sinatra Well..If you are looking for some really weird stuff from 'Ol Frank. He did a version of Bad Bad Leroy Brown that really deserves to be on this list. Domenic P.S. You Can Get Free Email & Homepages @ http://www.buzzlink.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Yost" Subject: (exotica) have your CAKE and eat it too Date: 13 Aug 2000 17:30:08 -0400 Who knows anything about the contemp. band, Cake? I just heard a few tracks for the first time this week, and like what I heard. They are a rock band but seem to have some peripheral lounge qualities. One of the songs was called "Frank Sinatra," and they do a rendition of the disco classic "I Will Survive" that is kind of appealing in an odd way. They also cover an older tune "Perhaps." Also agree with Nate in Baltimore that Mono is well worth checking out. Try Hooverphonic too. And the first Saint Etienne cd on Sub Pop, from about 1998 or 99 -- so good@! - Brad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica) Really Bad Music Date: 13 Aug 2000 15:03:45 -0700 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Domenic Ciccone > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 2:00 PM > HEDCANDY@aol.com wrote: > > I would be interested in hearing what you consider "the worst" > of "the worst" in terms of camp value > > > 8. Downtown - Frank Sinatra > > 2. Girl From Ipanema - Frank Sinatra > > Well..If you are looking for some really weird stuff from 'Ol > Frank. He did a version of Bad Bad Leroy Brown that really > deserves to be on this list. Hmm... that one isn't so bad, though that was an iffy period for Frank. But even "It Isn't Easy Bein' Green," in Sinatra's hands turns out to be genuinely heartbreaking. Here's a really bad one: his version of "Mrs. Robinson," with the immortal line "Jilly loves you more than you will know." There's a closing stanza about the P.T.A. and "ring-ding-ding," but I can't remember it off the top of my head. Later, Ben np: Nat Kone, "Doggie Breakfast of Exotica" http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/ ICQ# 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paul dean Subject: (exotica) what ruined music Date: 13 Aug 2000 17:34:59 -0500 It seems silly to blame the Beatles, the Beatles are fantastic (way beyond *fab*) in my book. I am a skimmer/lurker, so I apologize if anyone's already suggested it, but how about . . . THE SEX PISTOLS? I mean, has anybody heard the latest sonic youth album !?!?!?!? paul dean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dean Keasey Subject: (exotica) design records Date: 13 Aug 2000 17:28:05 -0700 I just got a design record at a convention today, "The Groovy Organ Goes Romantic". The cover has a sexy girl hovering over a "Panther" jazz organ. The music is ok, reminds me of the magic fingers of Merlin, or Sir Julian. For two bucks though, it was worth it for the cover. E-Z Action # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Karasick Subject: (exotica) Impressions from a new Minidisc user Date: 13 Aug 2000 22:57:18 -0500 Just back from a short trip which netted us a deal on a Sony MD system that we could not pass up. Although our hope is to use it for show ID's, background music and archiving shows, if what I heard was any indication, it could well do much more! I did a simple test recording using one of our finest recordings and the analog input of the MD with the resulting sound not too far off the original. Oh sure the sound won't match the warmth of a high end cd player or turntable but this is one nice toy! Media is expensive though (anyone know a cheap source?). It seems MD has found a future in the broadcast industry with our station now acquiring a second MD recorder to eventually replace the obsolete "cart". It seems like the perfect media for a small radio station though I'm not sure if any of the larger stations also use them. Oh and the sampling rate is listed, even in this lower model, as 44.1khz so... So... I may be asking for yet more advice from the regular MD users on the list... Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Karasick Subject: (exotica) A small chuckle Date: 13 Aug 2000 23:35:15 -0500 It may be local interest but this one ought to get a bit of a chuckle out of some members: Seems one of our own Celine Dion wannabee's here in Quebec, Ginette Reno, made the papers for a gig she recently did. Since few people know this person outside Quebec let's describe her as of the physical stature of say Kate Smith (or Rita MacNeil if you're into the Canadian maritime folk music scene) but hardly an international superstar. Anyway, the "gig" in question was a private appearance at the wedding of local biker boss Maurice (Mom) Boucher at the family's private "lair". The wedding was attended by a reporter from "Allo Police" a nearly 50 year old publication that's the local equivalent of say Police Gazette. She claims to have not been paid for the concert and when quizzed on why she would do it asked "are they criminals and killers 24 hours a day?" and then stated how God was on her side as "Jesus was always spending time with a bad crowd". The columnists joked that Celine would have known better than to agree to do such a thing. Oh the shame of it all... Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kendoll Subject: Re: (exotica) design records Date: 13 Aug 2000 23:08:14 -0600 Dean Keasey wrote: > I just got a design record at a convention today, "The Groovy Organ Goes > Romantic". The cover has a sexy girl hovering over a "Panther" jazz > organ. The music is ok, reminds me of the magic fingers of Merlin, or > Sir Julian. For two bucks though, it was worth it for the cover. as i recall, there's a pretty outstanding jazzed up version of moon river on this album. mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kendoll Subject: Re: (exotica) A small chuckle Date: 13 Aug 2000 23:12:44 -0600 Brian Karasick wrote: > Since few people know [Ginette Reno] outside Quebec... she had a moderate success in english canada in the 1970's with "beautiful second hand man" and she made quite an impression in the film = "l=E9olo" mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Huber" Subject: (exotica) Spain's No. 1 instrumental rock band Date: 14 Aug 2000 00:27:31 -0500 www.losrelampagos.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) (obit:) Carlos Castaneda Date: 14 Aug 2000 11:30:08 +0200 Robbie Baldock wrote: > Why are you posting this 2-year-old news?! Is it? ts, ts... the disadvantages of internet magazines... sorry, for me it was new. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Realbiglar@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Bonus Bond on "Shaken Not Stirred" Date: 14 Aug 2000 06:11:44 EDT Can anyone tell me the artist on the unlisted bonus track on HiFi/Rykodisc's "Shaken Not Stirred" compilation CD? It is a jazz version of the James Bond Theme. thanks, Larry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robbie Baldock Subject: Re: (exotica) (obit:) Carlos Castaneda Date: 14 Aug 2000 11:39:42 +0100 Moritz R wrote: > > Why are you posting this 2-year-old news?! > > Is it? ts, ts... the disadvantages of internet magazines... sorry, for me it > was new. I would have thought that the date at the end might have given it away ;-) Robbie Spaced Out - the Enoch Light Website http://www.rcb.easynet.co.uk/light/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dan hill Subject: (exotica) new motion reviews ---+ date: 14.aug.00 Date: 14 Aug 2000 12:17:23 +0100 ---+ new reviews ---+ http://motion.state51.co.uk/reviews/ The Infesticons - Gun Hill Road (Big Dada) Jean-Luc Godard - Histoire(s) Du Cinema (ECM New Series) Various Artists - Invisible Soundtracks Macro 3 (Leaf) Camper Van Chadbourne - Revenge of Camper Van Chadbourne (Knitting Factory Works) Uri Caine Ensemble - The Goldberg Variations (Winter and Winter) thanks, and apologies for cross-postings the motion team ---+ motion http://motion.state51.co.uk/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reader Geoff Subject: (exotica) shafts big score Date: 14 Aug 2000 12:57:04 +0100 Got around to watching shafts big score over the weekend. Whats with the soundtrack on this? I saw that Isaac Hayes did one track ('Type Thing'?), which I suspect was a brief and weirdly dissonant track played while John Shaft was beaten to crap. Apart from that the main theme was a pretty funny attempt at a variant on the Shaft song, by Gordon Parks who also directed (maybe that should be the other way round). But most of the rest was oddly dated Crime Jazz. Quite good, but not what you expect to be hearing at this point of the 70's (72) in this sort of film. Where the funk? El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.shitola.freeserve.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm http://www.geocities.com/djcheesemaster/ Spunky Misunderstood Genius # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reader Geoff Subject: (exotica) hugo - charro Date: 14 Aug 2000 13:26:58 +0100 Isn't Charro the Elvis film where they try to do a spaghetti western? I've not seen it, its never shown on TV here, surprising as its reviewed as probably the best of his later films (now is that some kind of recommendation? ) and they've been showing all the usual crap recently in the afternoon (live a little, double trouble). All I know Elvis gets to grow stubble in it. Presumably the fact it has a Hugo Montenegro OST is more to do with his success with the good the bad and the ugly (I can't check , but thats the one isn't it) than his own style. You can imagine it, the Colonel and Hugo in a trailer, 'Go on son, you can knock up a soundtrack in a couple of weeks, we just want it the same as you did on that record', colonel walks off puffing on cigar day-dreaming of another night spent at the roulette wheel. Thats not intended as a slight on HM in any way, I loved the lady in cement (see my post on the subject), but you just know how it worked. El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.shitola.freeserve.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm http://www.geocities.com/djcheesemaster/ Spunky Misunderstood Genius # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gingerich Subject: (exotica) Impressions from a new Minidisc user Date: 14 Aug 2000 12:28:30 -0400 Brian K. wrote: >>So... I may be asking for yet more advice from the regular MD users on the list... I'm a new fan of mini-disc myself, tho' I've had one for awhile- am just starting to really use it. Like being here at work and getting stoof off the web- I don't have a cd burner so its awfully convenient. Plus can easily erase or rearrange trax if the download is bad or I get bored of the sample. 'Course its loaded as analog info (and there is no digital out) but it sounds fine on the old stereo or boombox. Check out this site: www.minidisc.org/ which is great and has up to date info and more stats than you could ever use. Pretty much reflects the 'cult' intensity of md users I guess.] Oh and by the way, I'm interested in trading (or starting a ring) exclusively minidiscs (anything that this list would pretty much listen to: lounge, exotica, contemporary 'classical'(ie, cage, feldman, messiaen, etc.), sixties, krautroque, atari samples....). Anyone out there interested? thanx, pg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica) Th Siesta Label Date: 14 Aug 2000 10:14:59 -0700 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of chuck > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 1:53 PM > The Cardigans (early stuff) Which albums specifically? My brother turned me on to some Cardigans songs and I was surprised to discover it was from a much later album ("Life," or something like that). I figure I'll enjoy the older ones even more. > I highly highly recommend the Siesta Comp Expresso and Laila Amazon on the > Siesta label has released one of the greatest lps in the last 10 years I have to check out that last one. I have Expreso and Aperitivo now, but I still think Sombrero rules. All the samba/bossa stuff is awesome. And the chord changes in those Free Design songs blow my mind. > Also Try Red Sleeping Beauty I worship their filmusic album Will do. I've also recently heard two lovely bands, about which I know nothing: the Seashells, and Shoestrings. Closer, I guess, to B&S. Now I have Girlfrendo and April March on order! Yay! Later, Ben np: nat kone, "doggie breakfast of exotica" http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/ ICQ# 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) new Umiliani CD: Il Corpo Date: 14 Aug 2000 15:13:06 +0200 Piero Umiliani: Il Corpo CD, Right Tempo/ Easy Tempo ET 933, Italy, 2000 Beautiful, relaxed soundtrack to a sex movie that transports the plot of "The postman always rings twice" to an exotic island. The 3 key elements of the movie - eroticism, exoticism and suspense - are nicely translated into the music: smooth strings and synths, flute and wordless vocals cary the sensuous melodies; subtle exotic percussion takes you to an exotic paradise; and then there's almost always a slight touch of suspense lurking beneath the surface of the music - a heavy bass guitar part for exemple. The resulting sound reminds me a bit of Umiliani's "La Ragazza Dalla Pelle Di Luna", or a mellow EZ version of Nico Fidenco's "Zombi Holocaust". Quite some repetition of themes, as often seems to be the case with 1960's and 70's soundtracks. my rating: very good! Johan ----- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mkg@calle22.com Subject: (exotica) The future Date: 14 Aug 2000 11:13:12 -0700 An interesting article in the NY Times Magazine about the future of television. Many of the things discussed here in the Napster debate are revisited but with emphasis on the effects of the digital revolution on commercial television. Interesting read. To think that capitalism at the end might turn itself into some kind of socialism is very strange indeed. Seems like Marx was right after all. the url is http://www.nytimes.com/library/magazine/home/20000813mag-boombox.html Cheers, Manuel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Yost" Subject: (exotica) Re: Really Bad Music Date: 14 Aug 2000 14:03:33 -0700 Those 4 CDs look pretty interesting. I have more of that material than I care to admit (!), but would say that MECO's disco themes from the Wizard of Oz are significantly worse than his Close Encounters themes. I also think the Muzak version of "I Am Woman" can be argued as good in traditional terms. I have a 4-LP boxed set of mid-1970s pop fodder performed by various permutations from the "Living Series" performers on RCA that is staggeringly bad, and I have been meaning to distill the absolute worst material from the set onto 1 CD. Songs made popular by John Denver and worse performed by Living Voices are scary indeed. -- Brad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr. Unlucky" Subject: (exotica) Os Mutantes/Rita Lee Date: 14 Aug 2000 12:23:42 -0700 Someone in a recent post was wondering about anything after Os Mutantes besides Rita Lee solo efforts...I couldn't find the original message, but whoever you were, you might be interested to know about Novos Baianos (New Bahaians). They were a post Mutantes effort with Baby Consuelo and Moraes Moreira, before Moraes went solo into the MPB style and churned out musical butter. Novos Baianos had more of a progressive, gritty rock feel combined with less of a psychedelic essence that Os Mutantes had. I would recommend their early to mid 70s works preferably to the late 70s works, if you can find them. I picked up some cheap vinyl in Rio, so I haven't investigated if albums have been reissued onto CD as I'm a much bigger fan of Tim Maia and Chico Buarque. I was in Dusty Groove the other week and I saw a copy of their "Acabou Chorare" album, priced relatively high. If anyone is a Tim Maia fan, the 1971 album has just been reissued onto vinyl anyway, and there were a bunch of copies there too. Mr. Unlucky --- Mr. Unlucky presents Shoot To Kill, a weekly hour of crime jazz, soundtrack music, and Now Sound, on Supersphere.com, Thursdays @ noon (CST). http://www.supersphere.com Send your favorite photo with any online greeting! http://www.whowhere.lycos.com/redirects/americangreetings.rdct # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Piero Cavina Subject: Re: (exotica) new Umiliani CD: Il Corpo Date: 14 Aug 2000 21:50:02 +0200 At 15:13 +0200 14-08-2000, Johan Dada Vis wrote: >Piero Umiliani: Il Corpo >CD, Right Tempo/ Easy Tempo ET 933, Italy, 2000 >music - a heavy bass guitar part for exemple. The resulting sound=20 >reminds me a bit of Umiliani's "La Ragazza Dalla Pelle Di Luna" It may be a matter of personal taste, but I like "La ragazza.." much more= than "Il corpo"; I consider that record one of the finest Umiliani's works= reissued by Easy Tempo (the others being "Sweden heaven and hell", "La= legge dei gangster" and "To day's sound"). I can't wait for the shops to open to get the new "Musicaelettronica"..= please note that the cover says "volume 1", so hopefully there will be more= of them! :) Ciao, P. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Fondle Subject: Re: (exotica) hugo - charro Date: 14 Aug 2000 16:14:02 -0700 (PDT) --- Reader Geoff wrote: > > Isn't Charro the Elvis film where they try to do a > spaghetti western? I've > not seen it, its never shown on TV here, > surprising as its reviewed as > probably the best of his later films (now is that > some kind of > recommendation? YYyyeesss indeed! The title cut is a MUST for those who love faux-Morricone! Elvis is at is unconvincing best! Long live the KING, baby! Jane Aaron Fondle ===== "It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter Buy the debut release from Astroslut: LOVE AT ZERO G at: http://cdalley.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Fondle Subject: RE: (exotica) Really Bad Music Date: 14 Aug 2000 16:21:06 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > 8. Downtown - Frank Sinatra > > > 2. Girl From Ipanema - Frank Sinatra > > > > Well..If you are looking for some really weird > stuff from 'Ol > > Frank. He did a version of Bad Bad Leroy Brown > that really > > deserves to be on this list. > > Hmm... that one isn't so bad, though that was an > iffy period for Frank. I MUST agree whole-heartedly..As a mondo-Sinatra babe, the entire FRANCES ALBERT SINATRA/ANTONIO CARLOS JOBIM album is simply beautiful and breath-taking. Sinatra fans will love his cadence and phrasing on GIRL! Frank and Tom, TAKE ME NOW! Breathlessly, Jane Fondle ===== "It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter Buy the debut release from Astroslut: LOVE AT ZERO G at: http://cdalley.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Fondle Subject: Re: (exotica) Wildwood Date: 14 Aug 2000 16:21:16 -0700 (PDT) --- jschwart@voicenet.com wrote: > > > While I live pretty close to Wildwood and have gone > there throughout my > life, I haven't been there for about 5 years. I'm a > little afraid to go > back and see what changes may be going on (though > I'm not trying to > dissuade you from seeing it). Well, be of good cheer! I just returned from a jaunt to Wildwood, where I stayed at the fab Exotica palais, THE SINGAPORE! It's a huge pagodo-three story hotel..It is a little pricey-so next time I'm heading to the Kona Kai, repleat with a tiki sign and a beautiful tiki display in the lobby! It's accross from the beach, but, with an atmosphere like that, who cares! There is also the fabulash Tahitian, and the VERY now-sound Beach Comber-with a Brady Bunch-font sign and actual EASY LISTENING (good stuff, too!) streaming from the speakers...If wife-swapping goes on anywhere in Wildwood, it's here! I loved it! I think next year we should hold some sorta exotica convention in Wildwood, and MAYBE those of us missing DON TIKI at the Kahiki will see them there! Full-o-love, Jane Fondle ===== "It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter Buy the debut release from Astroslut: LOVE AT ZERO G at: http://cdalley.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffery Hess Subject: (exotica) Afternoon Delight playlist 8/14/00 Date: 14 Aug 2000 18:21:07 -0500 Afternoon Delight playlist 8/14/00 Host: Jeffery Hess Negativland -- Announcement Rocket Park -- Afternoon Delight* Mohammed Rafi -- Jan Paheeshan Ho Henry Breuer -- Moog Fu Young The High Llammas -- Tilting Windmills Super Furry Animals -- Calimaro* The Clash -- Up In Heaven (Not Only Here) The Jim Carroll Band -- Dry Dreams David Bowie -- Sons Of The Silent Age The Beachnuts -- Cycle Annie Tomorrow's World -- Tomorrow* Roger Joseph Manning Jr. & Brian Reitzell -- Lara's Rainbow The Glands -- Lovetown* The Bee Gees -- Massachusetts Donovan -- Skip-A-Long Sam T. Rex -- Broken Hearted Blues The Buddahs -- Lost Innocence Mirielle Mathieu -- Les Yeux De' Lamour The Go Go's -- Lust To Love Dusty Trails -- You Freed Yourself* Love -- August Climber -- Kansas (Home)* The Stranglers -- Golden Brown Stereolab -- Household Names* The Damned -- Life Goes On Roxy Music -- Editions Of You Kraftwerk -- Computer Love The Hi-Lifes -- I'm Gonna Fight The Golden Earrings -- Smoking Cigarettes Sex Pistols -- Did You No Wrong Guitars Unlimited Plus 7 -- Expresso MC5 -- Looking At You Blonde -- Fan Mail Roger Joseph Manning Jr. & Brian Reitzell -- Escape* Afternoon Delight Mondays, 2-4 PM 88.1 KDHX St. Louis www.kdhx.org #013 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: RE: (exotica) Really Bad Sinatra Music Date: 14 Aug 2000 20:23:32 -0400 > 8. Downtown - Frank Sinatra > 2. Girl From Ipanema - Frank Sinatra > Well..If you are looking for some really weird > stuff from 'Ol Frank ... then nothing compares to the Gordon Jenkins-arranged disc ("The Future") from Frank's 3-lp concept package, Trilogy. http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=A70147 To quote from the above URL: However good the first two records are, "The Future" is an unqualified mess. Written by Jenkins, the songs on "The Future" are ambitious, experimental, and self-referential — in fact, it's more of a free-form suite than a set of songs. Most of the record is devoid of melody, and while the arrangements and orchestration are certainly interesting, they aren't very effective. Singing clichéd, trite lyrics about peace, space travel, and his past, Sinatra sounds lost in the murky, atmospheric music of "The Future." Lou lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Citizen Kafka Subject: (exotica) Sarah is OK Date: 14 Aug 2000 22:03:17 -0400 Thanks to those who've enquired; my daughter Sarah is home and recovering completely from emergency appendectomy with peritonitis and other slight complications. She's dancing around to one of the exoticaring discs, so i think all is well. Thanks for wishes from all... ck -- Listen ANY TIME at: http://www.citizenkafka.com/sma/sound/soundmain.html Citizen Kafka, Producer, "The Secret Museum of the Air" every Tuesday 6 to 7 PM EST WFMU 91.1 FM http://wfmu.org/ then go to 'listen to wfmu' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: (exotica) Dave Pike Date: 15 Aug 2000 10:22:59 +0100 I just got Dave Pike's Infra Red LP through the post and I have to say it has an air of quality about it that makes me impatient to hear it. The cover is superb, with a cool font, purple wash, and some close ups of long haired jazz players in a darkened club on the back. Where's my record player when I need it most? I'll have a listen tonight and report back in the morning. Sitars and rocking late 60s jazz aplenty I hope. Anybody else have this, or my next target, Dave Pike's Noisy Silence LP? Charlie Editor C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street London N1 8JD Tel: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 (direct) +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 (switchboard) Fax: +44 (0) 207 226 8586 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brad Bigelow Subject: (exotica) Design Records Date: 01 Aug 2000 22:39:41 I have slowly been accumulating a backlog of Design Records, ever since I picked up "Windmills of Your Mind" and found, among the miscellaneous crap ("Barcarolle," "Ritmo de Amor," both sure-fire stinkers from some dusty late-1940s stock) a terrific cut, "Amor Mistico," featuring a combination of doo-doo-doo female wordless vocals and a jazzy piano/vibes break. I've since found this cut under several different names. I think Design was working with about 4 different instrumental tapes. One was a killer wordless vocal/jazz album that I have been trying to piece together from their records. Another was a so-so R&B/rock organ combo--music to strip or detect by. Another is pure crap string instrumentals at least 10 years older than everything else on the label. And then there is an imitation Three Suns accordion/guitar combo, apparently recorded by some eavesdropper staying in the hotel room next door, from the muffled sound quality. Oh, yes, there is a fifth, too: hack Hawaiian/C&W steel guitar stuff. The Dan and Dale albums appear to be mostly compiled from tapes 2, 4, and 5. Brad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mkg@calle22.com Subject: (exotica) Are computers killing rock? Date: 15 Aug 2000 05:17:26 -0700 That's what mr. Joe Carducci (former head of STT records) says in this article. Again, it has to do with what has been discussed here and is interesting as the possition of a commited rock fan. The url is http://www.newtimesla.com/issues/2000-06-15/music.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HOUSEOBOB@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Really Bad Music Date: 15 Aug 2000 10:09:51 EDT In a message dated 8/14/0 7:16:19 PM, you wrote: <> What's the name on this one? I just got a 3-lp set called "Super Hits of the 70's" It's got a fabulous tri-fold cover with a girl dancing in space all over it. Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica) Really Bad Music Date: 15 Aug 2000 09:15:00 -0700 (PDT) jane_fondle_69@yahoo.com wrote: > I MUST agree whole-heartedly..As a mondo-Sinatra babe, > the entire FRANCES ALBERT SINATRA/ANTONIO CARLOS JOBIM > album is simply beautiful and breath-taking. Sinatra > fans will love his cadence and phrasing on GIRL! > Frank and Tom, TAKE ME NOW! > Breathlessly, Jane Fondle I just got this on CD and agree.Except for the "take me now" part.... The Downtown track is from the “Strangers in the Night” record and despite the cheezy organ creeping into the Nelson Riddle arrangements I like this one too. Hey, they had to try something different as they already have done everything. Even the “Bad Bad Leroy Brown” cut I mentioned earlier is not bad. It just seems that the selection is so inappropriate for Sinatra and that is what makes it camp. When I was little I used to help my bicklayer dad and he always used to sing “Strangers in the Night” and it would drive me crazy! I would make noises and tell him to stop. Now I own a copy. I’m going to have to sing it to my kids and “continue the tradition”. Domenic Ciccone "Martinis with Mancini" WJUL 91.5FM Friday’s 6-9AM EST http://www.geocities.com/martinimancini/ http://wjul.cs.uml.edu/misc/wjul/wjul.html (On Real Audio) P.S. You Can Get Free Email & Homepages @ http://www.buzzlink.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Dearborn Michigan Exotica List Members? Date: 15 Aug 2000 12:48:06 EDT If anyone on the List lives in or near Dearborn Michigan, please email me off list. I will be traveling there before the Kahiki event and would like some hotel recommendations. Thanks, Tiki Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) Project 3 mailer Date: 15 Aug 2000 15:14:36 -0400 One of those cherished little items that fall out of records... A Project 3 mailer, all folded nicely, where you can order records by Enoch Light, Tony Mottola and/or The Free Design. How many times have I thought of mailing it, just to see what happened. (I know a story like that of a record collector who responded to a 25 year old ad in Downbeat magazine.) Anyway on this mailer, you can only order the records in cassette or eight-track form. No vinyl. Is this just an anomaly? I know they issued vinyl on these LPs since I have a couple of the Enochs and the Tony's. (I don't however have "Glittering Guitars". Looks interesting.) Anyone understand this? (No smartass replies please.) Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: (exotica) Kahiki ticket Date: 15 Aug 2000 12:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Otto With work and all I will not be able to make this wonderful event! I did call the lady and without mentioning anything she said she had tickets available still. I know I will regret missing this! Don Tiki plus the Djs will make this a very very extraordinary night at this primier Tiki resturant! Thanks Otto for posting the information to the list. Your magazine is also fantastic! Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck --- Otto wrote: > chuck > did the ticket exchange work out OK? > > Otto > yes! > I have the names of the people who bought tix and cannot go > > here is what you have to do > > 1. have your credit card ready > > 2. call Alice at 1-888-436-2500 > > 3. Tell her that Otto told you to call > > 4. Explain that you are buying a ticket to replace "Colleen Doane" > > 5. Your credit card receipt will be your ticket. Your name will be > added and Colleen's will be deleated. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dymaxia@ripco.com Subject: Re: (exotica) recent finds - D&D Date: 15 Aug 2000 20:29:08 -0500 Sorry, just getting back from a long weekend.... > > >The Sleepwalk guitars of Dan and Dale, Themes from Goldfinger and Zorba > >the Greek. > >I've never heard of these guys. Are they some kind of Santo and Johnny > >rip-off? I expected this to be pretty bad, but surprisingly, its quite > >nice. Sort of like the Ventures, but with a lot of organ flying around, > >which is always a good thing IMO. > > Is this on Tifton, like the "Sensational Guitars Of Dan & Dale" Batman > album (the one cut by Sun Ra and The Blues Project)? > > I've always wondered about the saga of "Dan & Dale" -- there do seem to be > an undetermined number of albums under that name. It always struck me like > it started off as a Santo & Johnny cash-in, and then the label (labels? > which labels?) applied the name to whatever batch of tapes fell through the > mailslot next. Was there ever a real Dan & Dale? Or was it always just a > name applied to anonymous studio players? > > Anyone? Please? The Sun Ra book indicates that there really was a "Dan". I forgot his last name, but I'll look it up tomorrow. I can't remember what it said about "Dale". Perhaps they were hoping people would confuse them with Dick Dale. Anyway, I really like the one that has the "oriental" stuff on it - I think it's the same one as "Goldfinger". -- Kerry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robbie Baldock Subject: Re: (exotica) Project 3 mailer Date: 16 Aug 2000 11:59:09 +0100 alan zweig wrote: > Anyway on this mailer, you can only order the records in cassette or > eight-track form. No vinyl. > Is this just an anomaly? > I know they issued vinyl on these LPs since I have a couple of the Enochs > and the Tony's. (I don't however have "Glittering Guitars". Looks > interesting.) Vinyl was the primary medium for Project 3 releases but most were released in various other formats: 3 different formats of quad LP(!), 8-track, cassette and apparently even as CDs (though I've never seen any of these). I suspect the reason only 8-track and cassette are listed on the mailer is that they are easier to send by mail and more likely to survive the experience! Robbie Spaced Out - the Enoch Light Website http://www.rcb.easynet.co.uk/light/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Lenkei Subject: (exotica) Re: mailer Date: 16 Aug 2000 13:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Speaking of mailers... A few month ago I found a sealed copy of Jerry Fieldings Near East Brass. Inside was a mailer/catalog for new Command releases. A nice little surprise. - bruce ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit The Exotica Review As many exotica/lounge record reviews as possible! on the web at: www.bway.net/~er ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stephen W. Worth" Subject: (exotica) Jazz is Dead Date: 16 Aug 2000 11:35:26 -0700 I read this in the 78-L group and I thought folks here might get a perverse chuckle out of it... See ya Steve Dallas Morning News, September 24, 1924: HANGS SELF AS HE THINKS DAYS OF JAZZ MUSIC GONE BERLIN, Sept. 23 (AP) -- "The days of jazz music are gone, and as there is nothing else for me to do, I have decided to hang myself," were the farewell words of Kurt Kranzler, bass drummer in a Berlin jazz band. Kranzler was discharged because he persisted in dominating the band's performances by too lusty application of his drumstick and cymbals. When told that modern dance music no longer liked excessive noise, Kranzler disappeared. He was found hanging by a strap taken from his bass drum from a tree in the Grunewald. Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 415 E. Harvard St. Ste. 204 Glendale, CA 91205 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stephen W. Worth" Subject: (exotica) More Shaggs Date: 16 Aug 2000 11:35:23 -0700 >Date: 8 Aug 2000 11:52:43 -0700 >From: mkg@calle22.com >Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: an old low-tech fart speaks > >Would you say that the >introduction of photography and the abandonment of figurative painting was >a loss for painting? I don't think so. I sure do. As good as Pollack, Rothko or Picasso can be, they don't hold a candle to Rembrandt, Vermeer or Titian. Ideas and concepts are important, but without experience, building on what went before, and skill in execution, they are just half a loaf. >The novel discovered that it didn't need plot. Music that it didn't need >melody. Painting that it didn't need realism. And I think that at the end >we live in a richer world because of that. I think there was a big chunk of baby in that bathwater. >And also the fact that we are not profesionals allows us to play something >that doesn't sound like anything else. I hope you aren't saying that ignorance is a virtue. >I hope you like The Shaggs. But I can understand if you don't. It really >is the absolute destruction of popular music. It's like breaking pop music >with a hammer and rearranging the pieces at random. No. The Shaggs are inexperienced young girls flailing away pathetically on musical instruments. I can't believe that anyone would attribute any sort of meaning to their noise. It has novelty value in the same sort of way that a car crash on the freeway does. We can argue about what is and isn't art, but one thing we probably all would agree on... art isn't ignorance. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 415 E. Harvard St. Ste. 204 Glendale, CA 91205 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stephen W. Worth" Subject: (exotica) The future is... THE SHAGGS Date: 16 Aug 2000 11:35:17 -0700 >From: mkg@calle22.com >Subject: (exotica) Re: an old low-tech fart speaks > >I think >now, with the conceptual ruptures of punk and the ease of use of the >musical instruments, it is more possible to have this unique Shaggs-like >kind of music all over the world. The possibilities are endless. To quote Bugs Bunny... "NOW I'VE SEEN EVERYTHING!" BEEEeeeeyooowoooOOOP! BLAM!!!!!!! See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 415 E. Harvard St. Ste. 204 Glendale, CA 91205 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Thomas" Subject: (exotica) Othermusic.com Date: 16 Aug 2000 19:45:14 GMT Hello! I found this site via the latest Time magazine ... http://www.othermusic.com They carry quite a lot of electronica/ambient/unclassifiable music plus a good selection of Bollywood titles. Worth checking out. Lest I stir up the embers from the Napster conflagration of a few weeks ago, the September 2000 edition of Atlantic Monthly (should be on your newsstands now) features a cover article on the internet jukebox you love to hate. While I haven't read the article in its entirety, the author's gist is that the record companies are the real problem. ~~Paul~~ Shake the Twentieth Century Blues at Paul's Modernistic World! http://www.homestead.com/paulsmodernworld/entry.html ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica) The future is... THE SHAGGS Date: 16 Aug 2000 13:35:58 -0700 (PDT) bigshot@spumco.com wrote: > >I think > >now, with the conceptual ruptures of punk and the ease of use of > the > >musical instruments, it is more possible to have this unique > Shaggs-like > >kind of music all over the world. The possibilities are endless. > There was a nice cover story about The Shaggs in this Sunday's Boston Globe. As mentioned before there might be a movie in the works. nice interviews with some of the ladies. Domenic P.S. You Can Get Free Email & Homepages @ http://www.buzzlink.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dean Keasey Subject: (exotica) Design records.. Date: 16 Aug 2000 14:09:55 -0700 >> I just got a design record at a convention today, "The Groovy Organ Goes >> Romantic". The cover has a sexy girl hovering over a "Panther" jazz >> organ. The music is ok, reminds me of the magic fingers of Merlin, or >> Sir Julian. For two bucks though, it was worth it for the cover. >as i recall, there's a pretty outstanding jazzed up version of >moon river on this album. Yeah, i'm liking this more and more. It's got some great bongo's. Just Jazzy organ and bongos. Nice combo.. >picked up "Windmills of Your Mind" and found, among the miscellaneous crap >("Barcarolle," "Ritmo de Amor," both sure-fire stinkers from some dusty >late-1940s stock) a terrific cut, "Amor Mistico," featuring a combination >of doo-doo-doo female wordless vocals and a jazzy piano/vibes break. Ditto. I just found this as well. I love that track. Isnt' it fun digging through the vinyl junkhard. You never know what gems are hiding. E-Z Action **************************************************************************** http://www.ezaction.com **************************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Othermusic.com Date: 16 Aug 2000 17:24:47 -0400 Paul Thomas wrote: > Lest I stir up the embers from the Napster conflagration of a few weeks ago, the September 2000 edition of Atlantic Monthly (should be on your newsstands now) features a cover article on the internet jukebox you love to hate. While I haven't read the article in its entirety, the author's gist is that the record companies are the real problem. And how does the author feel about free electronic distribution of his article (assuming it ultimately is put up on the Atlantic Monthly's web site) without compensation? Lou lousmith@pipeline.com PS If you're ever in NYC, a visit to othermusic is a must. ~~Paul~~ Shake the Twentieth Century Blues at Paul's Modernistic World! http://www.homestead.com/paulsmodernworld/entry.html ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dean Keasey Subject: (exotica) Dave Pike Date: 16 Aug 2000 14:22:08 -0700 >I just got Dave Pike's Infra Red LP through the post and I have to say >it has an air of quality about it that makes me impatient to hear it. >The cover is superb, with a cool font, purple wash, and some close ups >of long haired jazz players in a darkened club on the back. >Where's my record player when I need it most? >I'll have a listen tonight and report back in the morning. Sitars and >rocking late 60s jazz aplenty I hope. >Anybody else have this, or my next target, Dave Pike's Noisy Silence LP? I think I saw a record by him called, "Jazz for the Jet Set". The store wanted $50 for it, undoubtedly because of the mod cover with a 60's space girl. E-Z Action ************************************************************************ http://www.ezaction.com ************************************************************************ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HOUSEOBOB@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Dave Pike Date: 16 Aug 2000 23:47:29 EDT In a message dated 8/16/0 9:25:20 PM, you wrote: <> I have this and it's nice but not $50 worth. Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: (exotica) Outsider Music Mailing List Date: 17 Aug 2000 00:28:11 -0400 http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm This might be of interest to certain people, you know who you are. Lang Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm Funhouse http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/funhouse.htm "Where Do You Want to Go Today" Somewhere you can never take me! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: (exotica) Il Copra Date: 17 Aug 2000 11:19:55 +0100 I love this LP, I posted about it when I bought it and I rate it way above 'la legge dei gangster'. It has a much more consistent feel, soft, beautiful and exotic. Doesn't have the pop songs that makes Sweden heavan and Hell such a must but it soo good. Got to agree about the repetition of tracks. Also has a version of a track thats on Todays Sound as a bass riffed almost heavy metal track, in a much mellower version natch. Nice sleeve too, beautiful girl on the outside of the gatefold, and Piero Umiliani with the director and star of the film on the inside, by some Conga's. Mr U standing on tiptoe so not to be dwarfed by the beauty next to him. I too have sweaty palms for Musicaelettronica. El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.shitola.freeserve.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm http://www.geocities.com/djcheesemaster/ Spunky Misunderstood Genius Johan and Piero Cavina said >music - a heavy bass guitar part for exemple. The resulting sound=20 >reminds me a bit of Umiliani's "La Ragazza Dalla Pelle Di Luna" It may be a matter of personal taste, but I like "La ragazza.." much more= than "Il corpo"; I consider that record one of the finest Umiliani's works= reissued by Easy Tempo (the others being "Sweden heaven and hell", "La= legge dei gangster" and "To day's sound"). I can't wait for the shops to open to get the new "Musicaelettronica"..= please note that the cover says "volume 1", so hopefully there will be more= of them! :) Ciao, P. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr. Unlucky" Subject: (exotica) Shoot to Kill playlist 8.17.00 Date: 17 Aug 2000 11:46:03 -0700 Playlist for Mr. Unlucky's Shoot To Kill, for 8.17.00, a weekly hour of crime jazz, soundtrack music, and Now Sound, on Supersphere.com, Thursdays @ noon (CST). Just in case anyone is curious about the songs you heard if you listened, and the types of things you hear every week. "Dead Duck" (Mirage) - Quincy Jones "Tossicomania" (Rhythms In Suspense) - Gino Marinuzzi, Jr. "Amore Come Dolore" (Le Foto Proibite di una Signora per Bene) - Morricone "A New Experience" (Musicaelettronica Vol. Uno) - Umiliani "Burle Pie" (La Guepe V. 2) - Ovation "To Jean" (Easy Tempo Experience) Berto Pisano remix Gak Sato "The Legend of Bebop" (Art of the Improvisation) - Ornette Coleman "The Blues" (The Blues and the Beat) - Mancini "Fox's Sugar" (Slender Thread) - Quincy Jones "Ira Rhythm and Blues" (La Morte Accarezza a Mezzanotte) - Gianni Ferrio "Hurry To Me" (Club Morricone) - The Sandpipers "Girl From U.N.C.L.E." (Girl From U.N.C.L.E.) - Teddy Randazzo "Eagel Flips Out" (Sweet Love, Bitter) - Mal Waldron "Main Theme" (Ipcress File) - John Barry Cheers, Mr. Unlucky Send your favorite photo with any online greeting! http://www.whowhere.lycos.com/redirects/americangreetings.rdct # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Design records...Noro Morales Date: 17 Aug 2000 15:40:25 -0500 If you like smoothed out Latin sounds, seek Design's Noro Morales and His Orchesta, Holiday in Havana. Orchestra is an misnomer--Morales' gorgeous piano dominates, backed by Latin percussion and a bass. No brass, woodwinds or strings here. Vocals limited to a few shouts on the steaming Norin-Noron, THE track on the LP. Energetic Mississippi Mambo too. Other decent cuts include cha-cha settings of I Can't Give You Anything But Love and Glow Worm, plus twinky For Me and My Gal, I'm Getting Sentimental Over You, and Dark Eyes Mambo. But for a song switch or two, the same music shows up on Noro Morales, Latin Dance Time on Grand Prix--look for this one if you must have a cha-chaized Cielito Lindo. Neither record is flashy but both surpass budget-label quality, thanks to Morales' imaginative improvs. Tasty overall with Norin-Noron downright luscious. Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Rd: (exotica) Design records...Noro Morales Date: 17 Aug 2000 13:31:58 -0700 (PDT) mimim@texas.net wrote: > > If you like smoothed out Latin sounds, seek Design's Noro Morales > and His > Orchesta, Holiday in Havana. Orchestra is an misnomer--Morales' > gorgeous > piano dominates, backed by Latin percussion and a bass. No brass, > woodwinds > or strings here. Vocals limited to a few shouts on the steaming > Norin-Noron, THE track on the LP. Energetic Mississippi Mambo > too. Other > decent cuts include cha-cha settings of I Can't Give You Anything > But Love > and Glow Worm, plus twinky For Me and My Gal, I'm Getting > Sentimental Over > You, and Dark Eyes Mambo. But for a song switch or two, the same > music > shows up on Noro Morales, Latin Dance Time on Grand Prix--look > for this one > if you must have a cha-chaized Cielito Lindo. Neither record is > flashy but > both surpass budget-label quality, thanks to Morales' imaginative > improvs. > Tasty overall with Norin-Noron downright luscious. > Mimi > Humm....I'm trying to place this. Does it have a picture of a lady wearing fishnet stockings? (That describes a lot of albums...) Nice description Mimi! Domenic P.S. You Can Get Free Email & Homepages @ http://www.buzzlink.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: (exotica) Piero Umaliani's "Musicaelettronica" Date: 17 Aug 2000 13:48:52 -0700 (PDT) "Musicaelettronica" by Piero Umiliani 2000 Easy Tempo This wonderful electronic music compilation highlights Piero Umaliani's "Swithched on Italiano" moog music from 1969 to 1981. The first 2 songs are so good you are saved from dieing of happiness by their short length. The whole album is only 49 minutes and 20 seconds long. Almost 6 minutes of the song Caravan morphs from from moog to moog with orchestra and ends in a wild frenzied jam with moog and horns blaring away. This is a really great version of caravan and it says in the liner notes: "Taken from the forthcoming Easy Tempo microgroove Ode to Duke Ellington" I'm assuming microgrooves are short cds? Another great cut is Arabian Synthetizer that is described as sounding like a "collaboration between Perrey & Kingley and Andre Popp". There's a variety of moog sounds going on here and Umiliani just astonishes me with his variety of music. Another song on the album, Officina Stellare, is an outer space sci fi romp that says i the liner notes: "from the forthcoming Easy Tempo microgroove "Tra Scienza e Fantascienza" Science and Fantasy from Easy Tempo on microgroove! What a label! The song "A New Exprience" is hippy dippy trippyspaced out! On this song Umiliani plays the piano fender. For me there is a touch of Bitches Brew feeling going on here and on another song Cibernetica. All in all this album is a must for moog fans. Its available at dustygroove. But Easy Tempo sells also at othermusic and cdnow, and Medium Rare. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: Re: Rd: (exotica) Design records...Noro Morales Date: 17 Aug 2000 13:54:19 -0700 (PDT) I also remember tons of red red lipstick and and she's wearing black tights with fishnets and beating on Bongos. Mimi you are right, it sure is a tasty cover! I hope my memory hasn't exagerated it. I still have not played this one yet. Thanks for your review. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck --- Domenic Ciccone wrote: > Humm....I'm trying to place this. Does it have a picture of a lady wearing > fishnet stockings? (That describes a lot of albums...) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bag@hubris.net Subject: Re: (exotica) Design records...Noro Morales Date: 17 Aug 2000 14:17:41 -0700 At 01:54 PM 17-08-00 -0700, Chuck wrote about Mimi's excellent review: >I also remember tons of red red lipstick and and she's wearing black tights >with fishnets and beating on Bongos. Yes, I have it...actually twice. Holiday in Havana, DLP 86 (1957) has the woman with fishnet stockings, red lipstick, a black tight-fitting top, long dark hair, pink fingernail polish, nestled in the right bottom corner (filling up about 1/3rd of the album) next to a conga. For the other 2-3rds of the cover there are two partial circles in solid orange and pink with a white background. If I see a Design record in top shape I usually get it. I always liked the Design logo! I am not always sure the records are all that good, but it is always worth a try. This album was also issued by Grand Prix Series (another Pickwick label) as Morales Latin Dance Time K154 with solid color geometric patterns (circles, long rectangles) on the cover. The titles are basically the same, although instead of the Design title of Dark Eyes Mambo, the Grand Prix record calls it Dark Eyes Pachanga. Same difference. Byron ___...---''''^^^^^""""""^^^^^''''---...___ ||| bag@hubris.net Portland, OR, USA ||| """^^^'''----.....______.....----'''^^^""" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: (exotica) La guepe Vol 4 Date: 17 Aug 2000 14:44:24 -0700 (PDT) "Many Moods of...La guepe Vol 4" Flavor of Sound 2000 Dare Dare DDCD010 France La guepe Vol 4 brings us a nice cool funky sound of the early/mid 70s. Back then this was called "Sophisticated Music" and there were whole radio stations dedicated to playing this sophisticated music while other stations played the harder or popier funk. The sophisticated music on La Guepe 4 is funky but its also jazzy. The cover says "jazzy and juicy selections from Europe" Most of the songs are instrumentals but there are some "get down" vocals on a few songs. And some cool cool wordless vocals on one track. Nothing disco-y going on here but this music is disco's mother. This kind of sophisticated cool jazzy funk music was put to a disco beat in the late 70s and 1980/81. There was quite a scene of it going on in London and a couple of great comps came out back then. Today's "Chillout music" reminds me of the grandson of this music. This is the most thought out of the La Guepes in that all of the music fits together quite well. The one surprise "Ketja Rock" by Eberhard Schoiner, stands out, this song was originally called the "Monkey Chant" on a Nonesuch recording I purchased years ago, think it was called Gamelan something or other. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: (exotica) La guepe Vol 4 Date: 17 Aug 2000 18:45:33 -0400 chuck wrote: > The one surprise "Ketja Rock" by Eberhard Schoiner, stands out, this song was originally called the "Monkey Chant" on a Nonesuch recording I purchased years ago, think it was called Gamelan something or other. Ketjak: The Ramayana Monkey Chant" on Music from the Morning of the World [88] on Golden Rain: Balinese Gamelan Music [88] See: http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~ugerhard/reviews/bands/schoener.html see also Peter Gabriel: Shock the Monkey Lou lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Piero Cavina Subject: Re: (exotica) Piero Umaliani's "Musicaelettronica" Date: 18 Aug 2000 02:00:29 +0200 At 13.48 17/08/00 -0700, chuck wrote: >This is a really great version of caravan and it says in the liner notes: >"Taken from the forthcoming Easy Tempo microgroove Ode to Duke Ellington" >I'm assuming microgrooves are short cds? "Microgroove" is the same as "Vinyl record".. at least, it's a term that was used in Italy.. maybe just here? :) Each Easy Tempo release is available also on double vinyl, usually gate-fold. Neat! "Ode to Duke Ellington" isn't really "forthcoming", I bought it a couple of months ago. Ciao, P. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bag@hubris.net Subject: (exotica) album sized flatbed scanner Date: 17 Aug 2000 17:15:56 -0700 I got tired of stitching album images obtained from an 8.5 by 14 inch scanner, so I went shopping yesterday. I almost went for the 800 dollar Microtek ScanMaker 6400XL, which appeared to be the lowest price scanner with 36 bit color pixels...but decided to upgrade my scanner in a shorter hop and found a scanner capable of LP sized scans for only 200 dollars. The Plustek Optic Pro A3-I only has 30 bit color pixels, and its width goes to only 11.69 inches. That marks the only real difference between them besides the price and the interface requirements. My present scanner is one of the cheapest ones out there and I am sure that its replacement will probabaly beat it with 30 bit color. For 200 dollars I should get better quality color than what I get now...although not as good as I could get (for a much higher price). The .31 inches I won't get in my album scans is another sacrifice...but probably won't worry me much as most albums have a border anyway. The real savings is time. Just one scan and I am done. Can't wait! Byron ___...---''''^^^^^""""""^^^^^''''---...___ ||| bag@hubris.net Portland, OR, USA ||| """^^^'''----.....______.....----'''^^^""" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou Smith Subject: (exotica) [obits]Leonard Kwan,Jack Ryan,G. Warren Schloat Jr. Date: 17 Aug 2000 23:30:32 -0400 (EDT) HONOLULU (AP) - Leonard Kwan, a master of slack key guitar whose composition ``Opihi Moemoe'' is considered a classic of the genre, died Monday in his sleep. He was 69. Kwan began recording in 1957 and most recently recorded two albums for George Winston's Dancing Cat Records. The second will be released in September. Kwan also was the first slack key guitarist to publicly share his instrument tunings in an instruction book. Hawaiian slack key, or ki ho`alu, is a unique musical style dating to the 1830s, when Spanish and Mexican cowboys arrived in the islands. Some of the guitar strings are slacked from the standard tuning and songs are played in a finger-picking style, with the thumb playing bass. In 1960, he recorded, ``Slack Key,'' the world's first all-instrumental slack key album. ---- Taken from the Globe and Mail: Jack Ryan, whose band, the El Moroccans, were a fixture in Hamilton, Ontario for nearly two decades, has died of a blood clot. He was 86. Starting out as a pianist, but later moving "to the front of the band", Mr.Ryan's "El Moroccans" evoked the sounds of swing until 1962. A fire destroyed the El Morocco club they played at and took with it 20 years of Mr.Ryan's arrangements. The El Moroccans disbanded, as a result. Mr.Ryan continued to write songs with his wife, Eileen. One of them, True North, celebrated Canada's 125th birthday. --- Taken from the Globe and Mail: G. Warren Schloat Jr., who wrote and illustrated children's books and worked on several classic films from the Walt Disney Studios, has died while in hospital. He was 86. Mr. Schloat wrote and illustrated 22 children's books, mostly in the 50s and 60s. Previously, he'd worked as an animator on Disney films, like Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Dumbo and Pinocchio. Additionally, Mr. Schloat worked as a writer and director in the early days of television, notably in commercials. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bump Subject: (exotica) Whats Up in San Diego/Oceanside Date: 18 Aug 2000 00:11:13 -0400 Hello Everyone. i am making a spur of the moment exotic leap of love for my girlfriend who left a month ago and never came back. :( she is in Oceanside CA outside of San Diego. can anyone in that area help me out with cool places to see, go, and do so i can make my best attempt to sweep her off her feet! hurry, i am leaving asap! wish me luck bump # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Design records...Noro Morales Date: 18 Aug 2000 00:28:53 -0400 At 03:40 PM 8/17/00 -0500, Mimi Mayer wrote: > >If you like smoothed out Latin sounds, seek Design's Noro Morales and His >Orchesta, Holiday in Havana. Speaking of Noro, what's the line from Mickey Katz's "My Yiddishe Mambo" It's either... "She's making a talles For Noro Morales" Or "She's baking her challahs For Noro Morales" The second one makes more sense since I can't really see Noro needing a talles but anyone - Jew or Gentile - might eat a challah. Anyone know for sure? My record is hidden somewhere. Love that Mickey. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica) La guepe Vol 4 Date: 18 Aug 2000 08:47:11 -0400 >Ketjak: The Ramayana Monkey Chant" > on Music from the Morning of the World [88] > on Golden Rain: Balinese Gamelan Music [88] I highly recommend the Golden Rain issue on Nonesuch. Even though some klutz keeps bumping into the mike, it is a great recording of this chant, which is the story of monkeys rescuing Princess Ramayana. The chanters are definitely going for broke and near the end of the chant, one of the scarier sounds you will hear is the "monkeys" hissing. Quite a lot is being accomplished with vocals on this! The other side of the record features the instrumental Gamelan music. It is livelier than the Javanese Nonesuch recording, so I prefer this one. The music is arresting and many colored (I counted six or seven colors). Golden Rain is available through http://www.gemm.com That's the facts, Tjak, Brian Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: (exotica) "Ode to Duke Date: 18 Aug 2000 06:51:46 -0700 (PDT) --- Piero Cavina wrote: > > > "Ode to Duke Ellington" isn't really "forthcoming", I bought it a couple of > months ago. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuck Subject: (exotica) Ode to Duke Ellington Date: 18 Aug 2000 06:54:10 -0700 (PDT) I saw that Ode to Duke is available at dustygroove. Is this any good? Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck --- Piero Cavina wrote: > "Ode to Duke Ellington" isn't really "forthcoming", I bought it a couple of > months ago. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BasicHip@aol.com Subject: (exotica) afro harp Date: 18 Aug 2000 10:38:02 EDT << dustygroove. >> speaking of dustygroove, I spotted a vinyl reissue of Dorothy Ashby's sought-after Afro Harping for a cool $8.99. It's good, but not all that great. Like the Soulful Strings with a harp, same label (cadet), same arrangements (Richard Evans). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dymaxia@ripco.com Subject: Re: (exotica) afro harp Date: 18 Aug 2000 10:05:34 -0500 BasicHip@aol.com wrote: > > << dustygroove. >> > > speaking of dustygroove, I spotted a vinyl reissue of Dorothy Ashby's > sought-after Afro Harping for a cool $8.99. > > It's good, but not all that great. Like the Soulful Strings with a harp, > same label (cadet), same arrangements (Richard Evans). Hmmmm. I have the Rubaiyat album, and I lovvvvve it. It's kind of funky and psychedelic, actually. I'm wondering if they're going to reissue any of Dorothy Ashby's other stuff. Thanks for the tip, though. $8.99 ain't bad. -- Kerry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Design records...Noro Morales Date: 18 Aug 2000 10:31:34 -0500 "What's that line?" Nat asked about Mickey Katz's "My Yiddishe Mambo." It's >>"She's baking a challah >>For Noro Morales" My Yiddishe Mambo is the title cut on a tape I prize. Almost mentioned it in my comments on Holiday in Havana, then decided, Oh, dash the damn post off! You don't have to be Jewish to dig Mickey. Superb music on MYM, too. What Katz LP is it on, Nat? I'd love to get more Morales--his playing simply knocks me out. Sophisticated and witty. Anyone know of fine Morales reissues or vintage LPs? A couple of his tunes show up on a 95 Verve compilation, More Than Mambo, an intro to Afro-Cuban jazz. Just ordered it and will post a review after a few listens. Samples (sans Morales) at CDNow and Amazon.com. Thanks, Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: Rd: (exotica) Design records...Noro Morales Date: 18 Aug 2000 10:31:47 -0500 Domenic wrote: >Humm....I'm trying to place this. Does it have a picture of a lady wearing >fishnet stockings? (That describes a lot of albums...) Yeah, Design's Holiday in Havana sports a lovely Latina in a leotard and fishnets caressing a bongo drum--great description, Byron. And Chuck, her lipstick really jumps--can see why you remember it. Latin Dance Time in Grand Prix offers Commandesque geometric graphics whose vivid colors pop from a white field. HiH also has liners--LDT the usual list of Grand Prix titles. Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica) afro harp Date: 18 Aug 2000 11:22:13 -0400 >It's good, but not all that great. Like the Soulful Strings with a harp, >same label (cadet), same arrangements (Richard Evans). Me, I rather like "Hip Harp", which I have under the name of The Best of Dorothy Ashby" on Prestige. For...um, straight-haired harp (?) there is always "Have Harp, Can't Travel" by the Stanley-Johnson Orchestra. http://www.wildsscene.com/music/oddpop/harp.html has a picture of the cover. Brian Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arjan Plug" Subject: (exotica) Mieskuoro Huutajat Date: 18 Aug 2000 17:31:22 +0200 From the official homepage (www.huutajat.com ) of this worldfamous Finnish Shouting Choir you can download an mp3 of their version of The Starspangled Banner. Arjan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: Bonus Bond on "Shaken Not Stirred" Date: 18 Aug 2000 14:46:47 +0200 by James Bond & His Sextet >From: Realbiglar@aol.com >Can anyone tell me the artist on the unlisted bonus track on HiFi/Rykodisc's >"Shaken Not Stirred" compilation CD? It is a jazz version of the James Bond >Theme. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hemmel@gmx.net Subject: (exotica) new Nicola Conte Date: 18 Aug 2000 19:55:48 +0200 (MEST) Just get a copy of the new NICOLA CONTE 12inch Forma 2000 bw Jazz Pour Dadine on Schema and it is again FANTASTIC Martin -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) "The Heavenly Jukebox" Date: 18 Aug 2000 14:07:13 -0400 I'm not looking to revive that endless thread, but the Atlantic Monthly has a rather good article about 'music & the net & the RIAA & etc': http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2000/09/mann.htm It's very long (4 parts) and very thorough. It even goes back to the 19th century sheet music piracy wars, when British publishers sent goon squads out to seize and burn the bootlegs. m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com http://ookworld.com/linkalog/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Yost" Subject: (exotica) san diego Date: 18 Aug 2000 17:48:15 -0400 > Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:11:13 -0400 > From: Bump > Subject: (exotica) Whats Up in San Diego/Oceanside > > Hello Everyone. > i am making a spur of the moment exotic leap of love for my girlfriend who > left a month ago > and never came back. :( > she is in Oceanside CA outside of San Diego. > can anyone in that area help me out with cool places to see, go, and do > so i can make my best attempt to sweep her off her feet! > > hurry, i am leaving asap! Hmmm...I lived in San Diego for 10+ years. Oceanside is an unremarkable-to-dingy seaside military town. There are a few large thrift stores. Going down the coast, Encinitas is kind of nice, small town flavor, a couple of good record shops (Lou's) on Highway 101 (coast highway), plus some nice beaches. There's a newish theme park inland a bit (Lego World) that I haven't seen or been to, but the concept is theoretically cool. Yet further south in La Jolla is the UC San Diego campus. If you're into architecture check out the cuboidal library. Also be sure to check out the outdoor giant statue-sculpture by Nikki de Saint Phalle on the Muir Campus. Bring yer camera. There's a spectacular nude beach very close by -- Black's Beach -- ask for directions to the hang-glider port; it's a somewhat strenuous hike to the beach, but well worth it. Great Mexican food abounds and is inexpensive too. Hillcrest is a fun neighborhood for walking around and people watching and shopping. It's kind of the centerpiece of the gay community but much more as well. Again, some good record shops there, good restaurants, good bookstores. If you're feeling brave and want a truly exotic experience, don't forget Tijuana. Take the trolly to the border and you can walk over. Cheap beer! You've got to check out "that band I heard in Tijuana". :) Good luck bump. - Brad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BasicHip@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Bonus Bond on "Shaken Not Stirred" Date: 18 Aug 2000 18:38:18 EDT << by James Bond & His Sextet >> This is a great and very hard to find album. It is called The James Bond Songbook. There is a couple on the cover, guns drawn. I think there is a Rolls Royce behind them and the record label is Mira - going on memory here. You'll find the name of bassist James (Jimmy) Bond all over the credits of many 50's jazz records. Chet Baker used him alot. Put it on your want list! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica) san diego Date: 18 Aug 2000 18:49:17 -0400 >Yet further south in La Jolla is the UC San Diego campus. If you're >into architecture check out the cuboidal library. Also be sure to check >out the outdoor giant statue-sculpture by Nikki de Saint Phalle on the >Muir Campus. The Sun God! What a fuss that caused. I grew to like it, because so many folks disliked it. I was there the year they put it up. The library that looks like an upside down pyramid is named for Dr. Seuss, the Theodore Geisel Library. There used to be an annual album put out by KGB radio called Homegrown, which all featured local talent that sang about San Diego, a conceit that lasted until the last volume. One of them featured a song called "Black's Beach", the chorus was: "Black's Beach, everyone knows, You don't need no buttons or bows. Black's Beach, everyone goes. There's a bunch of crazy people without any clothes!" I do remember OTHER songs from those records to, by the way. Let's not go spreading rumors :^) Brian Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mkg@calle22.com Subject: Re: (exotica) More Shaggs Date: 18 Aug 2000 18:22:33 -0700 > As good as Pollack, Rothko or Picasso can be, they don't hold > a candle to Rembrandt, Vermeer or Titian. Ideas and concepts are > important, > but without experience, building on what went before, and skill in > execution, > they are just half a loaf. Well... I wouldn't say Picasso, Rothko or Pollock suffered were lacking in either experience, knowldedge of what went before them or skill of execution. The fact that they do not paint objects makes them less skillful? Anyway, I am not defending all kinds of modernist thinking in art. I can not relate to most contemporary art (the majority of the things you can see in Tate Modern and most conceptual art), so that's where I, personally, draw the line. But I do think that an abstract painting can take you places where a figurative painting can not, and that we became richer when painting didn't have to try exclusively to make an exact likeness of the world. > > >The novel discovered that it didn't need plot. Music that it didn't need > >melody. Painting that it didn't need realism. And I think that at the end > >we live in a richer world because of that. > > I think there was a big chunk of baby in that bathwater. > I think the bathwater went away and the baby was kept. After the stretching of the boundaries achieved by these modernistic movements, artists became free to introduce all kinds of elements into their work. They still can be figurative if they want to. There is no 'art police' going around artist's studios confiscating figurative paintings. > >And also the fact that we are not profesionals > > No. The Shaggs are inexperienced young girls flailing away pathetically > on musical instruments. I can't believe that anyone would attribute any > sort of meaning to their noise. It has novelty value in the same sort of > way that a car crash on the freeway does. We can argue about what is and > isn't art, but one thing we probably all would agree on... art isn't > ignorance. I do not agree. They might have been inexperienced in their first record (they had formed in 1968 and recorded 'Philosopy of the World' in 1969) but by the second they were not a new band (it was recorded in 72-3?). And they still sounded as strange as in the first record. That means that they were able to repeat those strange songs over and over again. It was not a matter of chance that they sounded like they did, or of dropping a guitar and just recording whatever sound it made, the songs were fixed in that way. So, they seem to me like a pretty disciplined bunch. Once I was talking to an ethnomusicologist that had traveled all over Colombia recording traditional songs (the music communities made just for themselves) and I was asking him if there was a lot of improvisation in the songs because, like the Shaggs, a lot of his recordings seemed to be close to desintegration, with each instrument about to go into a different place. He just looked me like if I was insulting the music and said that no, they were able to repeat exactly that same song in the exact same way. My point is that something that might sound like people "flailing away pathetically on musical instruments" can be the complete opposite of that: People who have found the music they want to make, even if it will never be performed by a symphonic orchestra. What I think modernist thinking taught us (Picasso and his admiration for African masks is a brilliant example) is that there are different kinds of knowledge. And that none is better than the other, they are just different. The Shaggs' knowledge and approach to music, strange as it is, is in its own way rigorous and sophisticated. And I really mean this. I don't use The Shaggs as a novelty trick, even if I enjoy the sight of my brother (who is a drummer) running to the door after the first 15 seconds of My Pal Foot Foot. For more shaggmiration look in http://www.shaggs.com/meet_the_shaggs.html Cheers, Manuel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) More Shaggs Date: 18 Aug 2000 21:50:02 -0500 > > As good as Pollack, Rothko or Picasso can be, they don't hold > > a candle to Rembrandt, Vermeer or Titian. Ideas and concepts are > > important, but without experience, building on what went before, and skill in > > execution, they are just half a loaf. Oh what piffle. You can't seriously compare the works of two groups of artists who lived more than 300 years apart from each other. Besides, the abstract expressionists were actively trying to overturn traditional technique in painting. Rembrandt, Vermeer, and Titian certainly took their particular style to a pinnacle, but they painted for entirely different reasons and typically produced their work for wealthy patrons or the Church. > Well... I wouldn't say Picasso, Rothko or Pollock suffered were lacking in either experience, knowldedge of what went before them or skill of execution. The fact that they do not paint objects makes them less skillful? Certainly not. Rothko's technique, to cite just one example, was extremely complex and painstakingly applied. He deliberately avoided painting *anything* from Nature. He was, however, a deeply spiritual man. As a result of that spirituality, his paintings are transcendental; I can stand in front of "Brown Blue, Brown on Blue" and be transported into another place just like staring at some sort of multidimensional portal. > > We can argue about what is and isn't art, but one thing we > > probably all would agree on... art isn't ignorance. Hel-LO...haven't you ever heard of Naive Art? It certainly isn't admired and collected for its incredible technique or fantastic realism...quite the opposite. And the people who create it are usually not giving much thought to the big ideas or deep philosophical messages behind it. I'm not going to claim that the Shaggs are "Art", but I certainly find their music charming, naive, and very funny. Some of it is even a bit transcendental. -- Matt Marchese mjmarch@charter.net http://reality.sgi.com/mattm_americas/ "Lucky Fruit, the dried corpse is horrible!" -Peacock King *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica) La guepe Vol 4 Date: 18 Aug 2000 20:07:59 -0700 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of chuck > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 2:44 PM > The one surprise "Ketja Rock" by Eberhard Schoiner, > stands out, this song was originally called the "Monkey Chant" on > a Nonesuch > recording I purchased years ago, think it was called Gamelan something or > other. Kecak appears pretty often on Indonesian music comps. Why? Because it's so cool =) -- chak-chak-chak-chakachakachakachakachaka. It's also an example of a kind of reverse exotica, I think, because the whole Monkey Chant (though based on trance rituals) was conceived and choreographed by a German artist, Walter Spies, for the Balinese tourist trade! It's also sampled, to great effect, on one of the tracks on Nurse With Wound's "Homotopy to Marie." Later, Ben http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/ ICQ# 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: (exotica) Monday's at Lillie's Date: 19 Aug 2000 06:34:32 -0700 (PDT) To my Boston Exotica List friends: Finally getting over to Lillie’s this Monday night. Wanted to get over there before school started. Since some of you expressed an interest in getting together over at Lillie’s just wanted to let you know.......if your going too see you there! What time does Cleve start spinning? Domenic P.S. You Can Get Free Email & Homepages @ http://www.buzzlink.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) OT> old-time radio webcast Date: 19 Aug 2000 13:56:10 +0200 This Week's Old-Time Radio Station Schedule @ MediaBay.com Tuesday, August 15 -- the Adventures of Philip Marlowe Wednesday, August 16 -- The Green Hornet Friday, August 18 -- Suspense and The Strange Dr. Weird Listen now at: http://mediabay.com/OldTimeRadio/OTRdefault.asp?source=0814 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stilgloria@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Swap Meet Tomorrow (Sunday) Date: 19