From: "Eric Litwak" Subject: RE: (fractint) Running under windows98 Date: 01 May 1999 02:24:11 -0400 The preliminary data on the K-7 SEEMS to indicate it will run faster than a P-III. There are still some chipset issues to be worked out (the K-7 requires a new chipset to support it) but if it even comes close to the expected performance I will go with it. > I guess when you do not want to make a 60% profit, you can sell your processors for > less money! Amen! Isn't competition a wonderful thing? BTW, I have my K-6 networked right now and it works fine. It did take a few days for it to become happy with the network (now I know why, Thanks!) but the bugs are finally gone. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam Leggett" Subject: Re: (fractint) Running under windows98 Date: 01 May 1999 10:29:54 -0500 I still don't get it. Do you mean that AMD has a 3DNow optimized, software rendering Direct3D driver, or what? 3DNow doesn't actually give you hardware 3D acceleration; in fact the only point on the rendering pipeline (whether OpenGL or D3D) that it really helps with is transforms (which most of the consumer 3D accelerators up until now don't handle). I believe the M$ OpenGL DDK has 3DNow acceleration for transforms, which helps speed things up a bit whether you have hardware acceleration or not, but the software GL driver still returns a nonaccelerated pixel format through WGL. If Direct3D always says you have acceleration if you have 3DNow, that's a bug.. If Motocross Madness will not run unless D3D returns an accelerated mode, that's also a bug Adam > It enables the system to use software that actively seeks a 3D accelerator > (ie:MS Motocross Madness), without an added card. Graphics and other FPU > functions are greatly enhanced. > > -Jack > > > 3D-Now! makes the system think that it has a 3D accelerator card > (Voodoo2, > > etc), when in fact it does not. Therefore, the system will run software > > that REQUIRES an accelerator card. Basically, AMD finally did something > > right. Yes, the 350MHz processor would be the slowest that I would go > with > > on K6-2s, though. My advice, wait for the K6-3s to become available. > > Sorry, I have no idea what you mean by making the system think it has an > accelerator card, care to elaborate? > > Thanks > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Running under windows98 Date: 01 May 1999 10:43:30 -0600 The AMD/ 3D now thread seems to have drifted away from the list topic (fractals/fractint). Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BillatNY@aol.com Subject: (fractint) Fractint Formula Question Date: 01 May 1999 14:55:30 EDT My math is mediocre and I'm hoping the more accomplished of you out there can answer what is probably a simple question. How would you express the equation for the Julia type fractals in terms of a Fractint formula FRM file? Thanks! Bill Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carlpaulw@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint Formula Question Date: 01 May 1999 16:15:57 EDT Hi Bill, > How would you express the equation for the Julia type fractals in terms of a > Fractint formula FRM file? Here's the formula for the Mandelbrot equation Julia sets. Julia { c = p1 ; the Julia set coordinates b = 4 ; bailout value z = pixel : z = z * z + c |z| < b } Paul Carlson Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Conally Subject: (fractint) new page Date: 01 May 1999 22:50:50 -0400 Hi Folks I am rather redfaced. I have been trying to post to the list for two days and non of my posts have come up. I was getting other posts so I did a "who fractint" command and immediately got a "This is a private list, you are not a subscriber". I see said the blind man. I had changed my reply address to a net forwarder as I anticipate changing my ISP sometime soon. I guess the joke's on me. Well, I have put up a new page that shows an original fractal and the result of my post processing. I thought it would be interesting to show both versions. Take a look and let me know what you think. http://members.tripod.com/afractal/beforeafter.html Tom Conally In every boomerang there is a perfect throw. Your life, Grasshopper, is to practice till you find that throw and become one with that boomerang! __________________________________________ Boomerangs http://www.angelfire.com/nc/conally Paradise http://www.netpath.net/~conally/ Fractal Images http://members.tripod.com/afractal Teddybear's picnic http://members.tripod.com/afractal/picnic/teddybear.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul DeCelle Subject: Re: (fractint) new page Date: 01 May 1999 23:28:21 -0400 Looks good, Tom-- PSP is my post-processor of choice, too. I mainly use it for anti-aliasing and special effects like drop shadows, but the hot wax filter is pretty cool, too. Regards, Paul Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BillatNY@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint Formula Question Date: 02 May 1999 08:46:59 EDT In a message dated 5/1/99 4:21:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carlpaulw@aol.com writes: << Here's the formula for the Mandelbrot equation Julia sets. Julia { c = p1 ; the Julia set coordinates b = 4 ; bailout value z = pixel : z = z * z + c |z| < b } Paul Carlson >> Thanks Paul! It was the c=p1 part that I wasn't understanding properly. It makes sense to me now. Bill Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry Spreen Subject: RE: (fractint) Running under windows98 Date: 02 May 1999 10:01:27 -0500 At 08:30 AM 4/30/99 -0400, Eric Litwak wrote: >I have to respectfully disagree with Adam. I have a clone I built myself; >AMD K-6 233, 64Mb, Creative Voodoo Banshee, and other than an occasional >lockup (caused by a cheesy motherboard) fractint and other programs run >great. > >Right click on the shortcut and go to properties. Under the memory tab set >initial environment to 512. This should clear up your errors. All other >settings are auto. If that doesn't work, try 1024. Eric, I have tried both 512 and 1024 on Initial Environment, and the problem persists. The screen goes blank for a second - A message is displayed, upper left, but too fast to read - then the desktop reappears. Best, Barry mailto:bspreen@mwci.net Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: (fractint) Running under windows98 Date: 02 May 1999 17:57:16 -0400 > I have tried both 512 and 1024 on Initial Environment, and the problem > persists. The screen goes blank for a second - A message is displayed, > upper left, but too fast to read - then the desktop reappears. > Hi Barry, Did you try starting a full-screen DOS session under windows first, then running fractint from there? What happens then? Also, look in your 'sstools.ini' and see what the "video=" line is set to. Try commenting it out (put a ; in front of it) or set it to a lo-res mode like "video=F3" and see what happens. As to running Fractint in real-mode DOS (no windows running), check that you are not loading the real-mode compression drivers 'drvspace.bin' or 'dblspace.bin'. These are hidden files that are sometimes placed in your root directory and are loaded before windows boots, then unloaded and replaced by the windows 32-bit drivers if needed. If either of these files is in your 'C:\' directory, move them somewhere else, then boot up into dos and see if fractint will run. Hope this helps, Phil D. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randall Britten" Subject: (fractint) XFractint on Solaris 2.6.1 Date: 03 May 1999 09:13:36 +0200 Has anyone got xfractint running on Solaris 2.6.1 (SunOS 5.6)? The instructions in the make file don't work The furtherest I have got is that everything compiles, but during linking (with gcc) I get: Undefined first referenced symbol in file _fmemmove bigflt.o _fmemset bigflt.o _fmemcpy bigflt.o ------------------------- Randall Britten Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) XFractint on Solaris 2.6.1 Date: 03 May 1999 01:26:38 -0600 In article <000301be9534$76e41650$e3021ac4@galilee.is.co.za>, "Randall Britten" writes: > Has anyone got xfractint running on Solaris 2.6.1 (SunOS 5.6)? I've not had any problems on Solaris; I think you just need the right defines. I compile with XFRACT, NOBSTRING and BIG_ANSI_C all defined and then it works OK. If that doesn't fix it for you, mail me your makefile and I'll see if I can spot the problem. -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randall Britten" Subject: RE: (fractint) XFractint on Solaris 2.6.1 Date: 03 May 1999 11:08:11 +0200 Thanks, that solved it. I was missing BIG_ANSI_C. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Phil McRevis Sent: Monday 03 May 1999 09:27 In article <000301be9534$76e41650$e3021ac4@galilee.is.co.za>, "Randall Britten" writes: > Has anyone got xfractint running on Solaris 2.6.1 (SunOS 5.6)? I've not had any problems on Solaris; I think you just need the right defines. I compile with XFRACT, NOBSTRING and BIG_ANSI_C all defined and then it works OK. If that doesn't fix it for you, mail me your makefile and I'll see if I can spot the problem. -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randall Britten" Subject: (fractint) Orbits configuration Date: 04 May 1999 09:55:03 +0200 Is there a way to configure how many points of an orbit are shown (i.e. in orbits mode (pressing o) if I only wanted to see the first three points of the orbit, how could this be done) ? Secondly, is there a way to see the scale of the orbits screen (i.e. xy coordinates of corners) ? Thirdly, during picture generation (if one presses o), the orbits are on the actual fractal, but is there a way to have the orbits on the actual fractal in ordinary orbits mode? Thanks in advance. ------------------------- Randall Britten Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randall Britten" Subject: (fractint) JuliaSaver Date: 04 May 1999 16:15:17 +0200 Here is a really cool screen saver, analogous to the space bar feature of Fractint where one scrolls through various julia's corresponding to points in Mandelbrot. http://www.fractalus.com/juliasaver/ Tips: Animation: "Cardioid II" Color: neon.map (from the fractint distribution). ------------------------- Randall Britten Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) Orbits configuration Date: 04 May 1999 11:35:40 -0600 In article <002401be9603$6bfd6730$e3021ac4@galilee.is.co.za>, "Randall Britten" writes: > Is there a way to configure how many points of an orbit are shown (i.e. in > orbits mode (pressing o) if I only wanted to see the first three points of > the orbit, how could this be done) ? Have you tried setting maximum number of iterations to three? Then the "orbit" will consist of at most three points. > Secondly, is there a way to see the scale of the orbits screen (i.e. xy > coordinates of corners) ? The help file says: <<> or <,> Zoom orbits image smaller <>> or <.> Zoom orbits image larger Restore default zoom. Did you try these? > Thirdly, during picture generation (if one presses o), the orbits are on the > actual fractal, but is there a way to have the orbits on the actual fractal > in ordinary orbits mode? I'm not sure what you're asking here... -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Two Pars Date: 04 May 1999 23:20:49 -0400 Here are a couple of pretty pars: frm: rsp_a304 { ; 3/99 R Parracho c=3Dz=3Dpixel: oz=3Dz, z=3Dz*z+c,test=3D|z|/|oz| |test|<1 || |test|>2 } 6a304003 { ; t=3D 0:05:5= 4.17 ; on a P233 at 1600x1200 May 04, 1999 12:22:46 ; Image Copyright 1999 by Lee H. Skinner ver=3D1961 ; Version 1961 Patchlevel 71 reset=3D1961 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dfractint.frm formulaname=3Drsp_a304 passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-0.330647/0.653639/16.56586/1/-29.999 float=3Dy maxiter=3D1024 inside=3D0 outside=3Datan periodicity=3D0 colors=3D0008MS<3>88E85B717<3>Z54e63l72s81zA0<11>R50O40L40<3>920<8>UXAW= `BZ\ cD<3>hrI<3>UnXRm_NlcJkgFfpAaz<2>`Lz<6>nfUpiPrmL<2>xv6zz1zzC<2>zzz<3>jqd= f\ o_blU<3>Mb8<3>LQ8KM8KJ8<2>I88H44G00<3>TA5WD6ZF7aI8eLAhMBiODjQF<3>qeBriA= t\ m9vq8xu7zz5zz4zz3<8>zY4zV5zS5<3>zE6<13>J52G42D32<3>000000<2>903C04D05<3= 2\ >r2qs2rt2t<3>z3z<3>X7`Q8UI9NAAG<2>0Qc<3>5Xc6Zc7`c8bcAdc<2>LhfOigQih<11>= m\ ttouuqvv<3>zzz<3>rwzovzhsw<4>8_d<2>8QV sound=3Dbeep/pc } 6a304005 { ; t=3D 0:04:0= 8.85 ; on a P233 at 1600x1200 May 04, 1999 12:22:46 ; Image Copyright 1999 by Lee H. Skinner ver=3D1961 ; Version 1961 Patchlevel 71 reset=3D1961 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dfractint.frm formulaname=3Drsp_a304 passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-0.38969609952775690/+0.64719029552820840/192.6263/1/-30 float=3Dy maxiter=3D1024 inside=3D0 outside=3Datan periodicity=3D0 colors=3D000uxxwyyzzz<3>rwzovzhsw<3>Gch8_d8Xa<3>8JP8FL8CI<2>717<3>Z54e6= 3l7\ 2s81zA0<11>R50O40L40<3>920<8>UXAW`BZcD<3>hrI<3>UnXRm_NlcJkgFfpAaz<2>`Lz= <\ 6>nfUpiPrmL<2>xv6zz1zzC<2>zzz<3>jqdfo_blU<3>Mb8<3>LQ8KM8KJ8<2>I88H44G00= <\ 3>TA5WD6ZF7aI8eLAhMBiODjQF<3>qeBriAtm9vq8xu7zz5zz4zz3<8>zY4zV5zS5<3>zE6= <\ 13>J52G42D32<3>000000<2>903C04D05<32>r2qs2rt2t<3>z3z<3>X7`Q8UI9NAAG<2>0= Q\ c<3>5Xc6Zc7`c8bcAdc<2>LhfOigQih<14>sww sound=3Dbeep/pc } Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randall Britten" Subject: RE: (fractint) Orbits configuration Date: 05 May 1999 10:26:50 +0200 > > Is there a way to configure how many points of an orbit are shown (i.e. in > > orbits mode (pressing o) if I only wanted to see the first three points of > > the orbit, how could this be done) ? > > Have you tried setting maximum number of iterations to three? Then > the "orbit" will consist of at most three points. Thanks for this tip, it helps control the orbits, but now the source fractal has low resolution. What is needed is the facility to specify lower iterations for the orbits than for the source fractal. > > Secondly, is there a way to see the scale of the orbits screen (i.e. xy > > coordinates of corners) ? > > The help file says: > > <<> or <,> Zoom orbits image smaller > <>> or <.> Zoom orbits image larger > Restore default zoom. > > Did you try these? Yes, I know about those, but I want to have more exact information on the scale of the orbits window as in the exact xy coordinates of the corners. > > Thirdly, during picture generation (if one presses o), the orbits are on the > > actual fractal, but is there a way to have the orbits on the actual fractal > > in ordinary orbits mode? > > I'm not sure what you're asking here... It relates to question 2. Especially in the Julia set, which is in the "dynamic plane" it would be nice to be able to follow the orbits relative to the actual julia set. But since orbits and the actual fractal are in separate windows, it is hard track where the one is relative to the other. During picture generation, orbits appear in the same window as the fractal, and it would be nice to be able to do this with manual orbits explore mode. I tried using view windows and setting the view window of the main fractal to the size of the whole screen, hoping that the orbits window would overlap, but it is too clever, and the orbits window became small again. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo M. Forno" Subject: RE: (fractint) Two Pars Date: 05 May 1999 10:28:15 -0300 I see you use reset=1961 in your pars. Is there a fractint version after 19.6? Where can I get it? ---------- De: Lee Skinner A: fractint@lists.xmission.com Asunto: (fractint) Two Pars Fecha: Miércoles 5 de Mayo de 1999 12:20 AM Here are a couple of pretty pars: frm: rsp_a304 { ; 3/99 R Parracho c=z=pixel: oz=z, z=z*z+c,test=|z|/|oz| |test|<1 || |test|>2 } 6a304003 { ; t= 0:05:54.17 ; on a P233 at 1600x1200 May 04, 1999 12:22:46 ; Image Copyright 1999 by Lee H. Skinner ver=1961 ; Version 1961 Patchlevel 71 reset=1961 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=rsp_a304 passes=1 center-mag=-0.330647/0.653639/16.56586/1/-29.999 float=y maxiter=1024 inside=0 outside=atan periodicity=0 colors=0008MS<3>88E85B717<3>Z54e63l72s81zA0<11>R50O40L40<3>920<8>UXAW`BZ\ cD<3>hrI<3>UnXRm_NlcJkgFfpAaz<2>`Lz<6>nfUpiPrmL<2>xv6zz1zzC<2>zzz<3>jqdf\ o_blU<3>Mb8<3>LQ8KM8KJ8<2>I88H44G00<3>TA5WD6ZF7aI8eLAhMBiODjQF<3>qeBriAt\ m9vq8xu7zz5zz4zz3<8>zY4zV5zS5<3>zE6<13>J52G42D32<3>000000<2>903C04D05<32\ >r2qs2rt2t<3>z3z<3>X7`Q8UI9NAAG<2>0Qc<3>5Xc6Zc7`c8bcAdc<2>LhfOigQih<11>m\ ttouuqvv<3>zzz<3>rwzovzhsw<4>8_d<2>8QV sound=beep/pc } 6a304005 { ; t= 0:04:08.85 ; on a P233 at 1600x1200 May 04, 1999 12:22:46 ; Image Copyright 1999 by Lee H. Skinner ver=1961 ; Version 1961 Patchlevel 71 reset=1961 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=rsp_a304 passes=1 center-mag=-0.38969609952775690/+0.64719029552820840/192.6263/1/-30 float=y maxiter=1024 inside=0 outside=atan periodicity=0 colors=000uxxwyyzzz<3>rwzovzhsw<3>Gch8_d8Xa<3>8JP8FL8CI<2>717<3>Z54e63l7\ 2s81zA0<11>R50O40L40<3>920<8>UXAW`BZcD<3>hrI<3>UnXRm_NlcJkgFfpAaz<2>`Lz<\ 6>nfUpiPrmL<2>xv6zz1zzC<2>zzz<3>jqdfo_blU<3>Mb8<3>LQ8KM8KJ8<2>I88H44G00<\ 3>TA5WD6ZF7aI8eLAhMBiODjQF<3>qeBriAtm9vq8xu7zz5zz4zz3<8>zY4zV5zS5<3>zE6<\ 13>J52G42D32<3>000000<2>903C04D05<32>r2qs2rt2t<3>z3z<3>X7`Q8UI9NAAG<2>0Q\ c<3>5Xc6Zc7`c8bcAdc<2>LhfOigQih<14>sww sound=beep/pc } Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ---------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Coppin" Subject: (fractint) Purely mathematical Date: 05 May 1999 15:14:40 GMT I have a question: For those of you who can't remember, the formulas for the "Barnsley Julia" fractals are: BJ1: If real(Z) >= 0 Then Z=(Z-1)*C Else Z=Z(Z+1)*C BJ2: If real(Z)*imag(C) + real(C)*imag(Z) >= 0 Then Z=(Z-1)*C Else Z=(Z+1)*C BJ3: Re(Z) >= 0 Then Z=(real(Z)^2 - imag(Z)^2 - 1) + (2*real(Z)*imag(Z))i Else Z=(real(Z)^2 - imag(Z)^2 - 1 + real(C)*real(Z)) + (2*real(Z)*imag(Z) + imag(C)*real(Z)))i. My question is this: Where on earth did M. Barnsley *get* these from? Julia #3 is the only one which looks remotely recognisible (and indeed its graphical form is more "Juliaish"). That first term looks a bit like real(Z)^2 - imag(Z)^2, which is the result of real(Z^2). But the rest? What is the mathematical reasons behind it? I know a lot of people out there simply type formulas into FractInt and get pretty pictures, but I can't imagine someone like Barnsley inventing them out of thin air. What's the background? And how do you work out the derrivatives of functions like that?!?! P. S. I too would like to know out to super-impose orbits over the fractal and not a seperate window. FractInt does it while rendering, but not it seems once it's finnished... P. P. S. I'm talking to you Tim: So you can't generalise Complex Numbers into a 4D field... But *can* you generalise them into a 3D set without loosing any field properties? Just how complicated is the proof of there being no 4D fields (i.e. would someone like me understand it)? Nam et ipsa scientia potestus est! (Sir Francis Bacon) Andrew Orphi Coppin DMU MK. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Two Pars Date: 05 May 1999 22:35:25 -0400 Ricardo, >> I see you use reset=3D1961 in your pars. Is there a fractint version a= fter 19.6? Where can I get it? << That is because I am using the developer's version of Fractint, which doe= s contain a few new features, but also has not been certified bug-free. I think that the developers are getting ready to release a new version, o= r a beta version, soon. Keep watching this list. Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam Leggett" Subject: Re: (fractint) Two Pars Date: 05 May 1999 22:43:59 -0500 Who are these "developers", and why the closed model? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 9:35 PM Ricardo, >> I see you use reset=1961 in your pars. Is there a fractint version after 19.6? Where can I get it? << That is because I am using the developer's version of Fractint, which does contain a few new features, but also has not been certified bug-free. I think that the developers are getting ready to release a new version, or a beta version, soon. Keep watching this list. Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: RE: (fractint) Two Pars Date: 05 May 1999 22:50:45 -0600 Ricardo asked: > I see you use reset=1961 in your pars. Is there a fractint version after > 19.6? Where can I get it? This is the developer's version. We are planning to release a public beta soon. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Two more pars Date: 06 May 1999 00:19:18 -0400 Here are two more pars: 6ms07598 { ; t=3D 0:01:1= 1.40 ; on a P233 at 1600x1200 May 05, 1999 22:16:28 ; Image Copyright 1999 by Lee H. Skinner ver=3D1961 ; Version 1961 Patchlevel 71 reset=3D1960 type=3Dmandel passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-1.76884039665347800/+0.00228582777189063/5.98252e+007/1/-= 50 params=3D0/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D4096 inside=3D0 outside=3Dsumm rseed=3D= -2436 colors=3D000txzrwzovz<3>NglGch8_d<3>8MS8JP8FL<3>717<3>Z54e63l72s81zA0<1= 1>R\ 50O40L40<3>920<8>UXAW`BZcD<3>hrI<3>UnXRm_NlcJkgFfpAaz<2>`Lz<6>nfUpiPrmL= <\ 2>xv6zz1zzC<2>zzz<3>jqdfo_blU<3>Mb8<3>LQ8KM8KJ8<2>I88H44G00<3>TA5WD6ZF7= a\ I8eLAhMBiODjQF<3>qeBriAtm9vq8xu7zz5zz4zz3<8>zY4zV5zS5<3>zE6<13>J52G42D3= 2\ <3>000000<2>903C04D05<21>d1`e1bf1c<3>k2i<4>R2UM1QI1N<3>009<3>0AL0DO0FR<= 2\ >0N_0Qc1Rc<3>6Zc7`c8bcAdc<2>LhfOigQih<11>mttouuqvv<3>zzzxzzvyz sound=3Dbeep/pc } 6ms07609 { ; t=3D 0:01:3= 0.52 ; on a P233 at 1600x1200 May 05, 1999 22:16:28 ; Image Copyright 1999 by Lee H. Skinner ver=3D1961 ; Version 1961 Patchlevel 71 reset=3D1960 type=3Dmandel passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-0.16076045523795930/+1.03690858518634000/6.090172e+007/1/= -72\ .5 params=3D0/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D4096 inside=3D0 outside=3Dsumm rsee= d=3D-2436 colors=3D000yM5<3>zE6<2>lNCgQFeNDbJA<6>QD6OC6MB5<3>F73000000<7>O09R0AU0= B<2\ >b0Ee0Ff5I<4>oVZq_asee<3>zzs<3>pjWnfPkbJiZDfV7cQ0<3>SI0<3>RC0QA0Q80P60<= 2\ >G00<3>4KW0Qc1Rc<3>6Zc7`c8bcAdc<7>bokepliqm<2>tupxwrzyt<3>zsZzqUzpOznJy= l\ Dxj2wiK<3>vc4ua0ub3<3>vhJviNvjPwkR<3>xqexriytmyuqzwu<7>yXayUZxQX<3>wCM<= 3\ >bADYABS99N97H84<6>WG8YH8_I9<3>hMB<8>SE7QD6OC6<3>H84FB3PG3<3>iY2oa1tf1z= k\ 0<3>0kk<2>WgD<3>CXF<5>IUDJTDKSDLSDMRCOQBORAOPA<3>OE6NB5PC6RD6zF7WG7<3>c= K\ 9eLAhMB<3>lUInVJpXH<2>vdByg8yh5yi3<10>yO5 sound=3Dbeep/pc } Lee Skinner Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) Purely mathematical Date: 06 May 1999 17:17:00 +1200 At 15:14 05/05/99 GMT, Andrew Coppin wrote: > >P. P. S. I'm talking to you Tim: So you can't generalise Complex >Numbers into a 4D field... But *can* you generalise them into a 3D >set without loosing any field properties? Just how complicated is the >proof of there being no 4D fields (i.e. would someone like me >understand it)? > No. Whether an explanation would satisfy you depends on what you already know (any group theory? Since you seem to know what a field is, I assume you know what groups/rings/fields are, in which case skip to the *-*-*-*; or even the **-**-**, but for the benefit of people who aren't familiar with either - and then only if they're interested enough ...) So first off I'll sketch out what a group is. A group is a set of things and an operation that combines pairs of things to produce a thing that is also in the set The defining properties of a group are as follows. Assuming that we use '+' to denote the operation (note that '+' doesn't necessarily mean addition as we know it, just something that is compatible with these rules): 1) For all a, b, c in the group, (a+b)+c = a+(b+c) (associativity) 2) There is an element e in the group such that a+e=e+a=a for all a. (identity) (It can be proved that there can be only one such identity). 3) For all a in the group, there is an element b in the group such that a+b=b+a=e (inverse). Quick example: addition mod 4 + | 0 1 2 3 0 is the identity --+-------- 1 is the inverse of 3 0 | 0 1 2 3 1 | 1 2 3 0 2 | 2 3 0 1 3 | 3 0 1 2 An extra property may be included, stating that the operation commutes: 4) For all a, b in the group, a+b=b+a. A group with this property (the example just given is one such) is known as an "Abelian group". Now, a ring. A ring is an enhancement of an Abelian group. As well as having all the structure of an Abelian group, rings have a second operation '*' and further rules: 5) For all a, b, c, a*(b*c)=(a*b)*c (so both operations are associative) 6) For all a, b, c, a*(b+c)=a*b+a*c and (b+c)*a=b*a+c*a (distributivity) Again, commutivity is optional: 7) For all a, b in the ring, a*b=b*a. A ring with this property is called a "commutative ring". An example would be the ordinary integers with the operations of addition and multiplication. Important thing to note about rings: There is no guarantee that every element of the ring has an inverse under '*', nor is there any guarantee that there is an element '1' such that 1*a=a*1=a. To point to the previous example, integers don't come with integer inverses (except 1 itself). To illustrate the second non-guarantee, consider the set of _even_ integers with familiar addition and multiplication. The resulting structure satisfies all seven rules, but there is no number n such that n times m equals m for all m. Now we can get on to a field. A field is a ring. It is a commutative ring. It is a ring in which the two properties noted just now _do_ hold. Every nonzero element has an inverse under '*', and '*'ing an element by its inverse gives the same unique element (known as 'unity' and conventionally written '1'.) Nonzero? Ah, remember that the '+' operation that makes our structure a group has an identity element. At the time I've written it 'e'. Now I'm changing my notation and writing it '0' and calling it zero. A nonzero element is any element other than 0. This, incidentally, is the rule broken by "hypercomplex" numbers. The rational numbers form a field. So do the reals. And the complex numbers. *-*-*-* Complex arithmetic has a group structure. Consider that a complex number is one of the form a+ib, where i has the property that ii=-1. For convenience one can draw up a little multiplication table: + | 1 -1 i -i (I'm using '+' because this is a group) ---+------------ 1 | 1 -1 i -i This group is named "Z2+Z2"; it is equivalent to the group -1 | -1 1 -i i formed by adding _pairs_ of integers mod 2. i | i -i -1 1 -i | -i i 1 -1 Quaternion arithmetic has a group structure as well. Consider that a quaternion number is one of the form a+ib+jc+kd, where i, j, k has the property that ii=jj=kk=ijk=-1. One can again draw up a multiplication table, but it would not necessarily be very illuminating. You can do it if you want: It has eight elements 1, -1, i, -i, j, -j, k, and -k. Just remember things like the fact that ij=-ji (multiplication is not commutative - violating property (7) above and disqualifying Quaternion arithmetic as a field). The group generated by quaternion arithmetic has a name as well: Q4. **-**-** At this point I'm going to wave my hands and gloss over some of the most powerful and deep theorems of group theory. But although _understanding_ them requires a textbook's worth of groundwork, for our purposes enough of their results can be obtained by straightforward brute force: Build up every possible multiplication table of sizes 1x1, 2x2, 3x3, 4x4, ...; making sure that each one satisfies properties (1)-(3) of a group, and is distinct and not simply a relabelling of elements or a reshuffling of rows and colums of another. I'm just going to give the result: how many groups there are of various sizes (I'll even name them). 1-element groups: One. Z1 2-element groups: One. Z2 3-element groups: One. Z3 4-element groups: Two. Z4, Z2+Z2 5-element groups: One. Z5 6-element groups: Two. Z6, D3 7-element groups: One. Z7 8-element groups: Five. Z8, Z4+Z2, Z2+Z2+Z2, D4, Q4 Zn represents "addition mod n", Zn+Zm means adding pairs of integers mod (+=). D3 and D4 are the symmetries of an equilateral triangle and a square, respectively (the elements of the group being rotations and reflections, and the operation a+b meaning "do a then do b" - the identity element is of course "do nothing"). Q4 is quaternion arithmetic. To generalise complex numbers into higher dimensions, what you need is an arithmetic structure that contains the structure of complex arithmetic. Of all the groups just listed, the _only_ groups that contain such a structure are the complex numbers themselves, and quaternions. In particular, for a 3D generalisation, the group would need six elements (1, -1, i, -i, j, -j). There are only two six-element groups: addition mod 6 (which obviously is inadequate), and the symmetries of an equilateral triangle - which can also be shown to be unable to support complex arithmetic. Morgan L. Owens Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) Two more pars Date: 06 May 1999 04:31:52 -0400 Hi Lee, >> Here are a couple of pretty pars: >> >> Here are two more pars: Very nice images! Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Coppin" Subject: Re: (fractint) Purely mathematical Date: 06 May 1999 09:44:13 GMT Morgan L. Owens wrote: > I'm just going to give the result: how many groups there are of various > sizes (I'll even name them). > > 1-element groups: One. Z1 > 2-element groups: One. Z2 > 3-element groups: One. Z3 > 4-element groups: Two. Z4, Z2+Z2 > 5-element groups: One. Z5 > 6-element groups: Two. Z6, D3 > 7-element groups: One. Z7 > 8-element groups: Five. Z8, Z4+Z2, Z2+Z2+Z2, D4, Q4 > > Zn represents "addition mod n", Zn+Zm means adding pairs of integers mod > (+=). D3 and D4 are the symmetries of > an equilateral triangle and a square, respectively (the elements of the > group being rotations and reflections, and the operation a+b meaning "do a > then do b" - the identity element is of course "do nothing"). Q4 is > quaternion arithmetic. So which one is hypercomplex arithmatic? > To generalise complex numbers into higher dimensions, what you need is an > arithmetic structure that contains the structure of complex arithmetic. Of > all the groups just listed, the _only_ groups that contain such a structure > are the complex numbers themselves, and quaternions. > > In particular, for a 3D generalisation, the group would need six elements > (1, -1, i, -i, j, -j). There are only two six-element groups: addition mod > 6 (which obviously is inadequate), and the symmetries of an equilateral > triangle - which can also be shown to be unable to support complex arithmetic. Absolutly fasinating! By the way, I have a list of field/ring/etc properties on my web pages; I don't suppose you'd like to verify that I've got them right? You can find this at http://www.mk.dmu.ac.uk/~khcm8ac/Full/Math/Field.html Do you know of any web sites where I can find out more on this sort of thing? (and Math in general? I've yet to find a good math site!) P. S. Does anyone know what's being throwen into the stone soup in this "developer" version of FractInt? Nam et ipsa scientia potestus est! (Sir Francis Bacon) Andrew Orphi Coppin DMU MK. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) Purely mathematical Date: 07 May 1999 00:10:54 +1200 At 09:44 06/05/99 GMT, Andrew Coppin wrote: >Morgan L. Owens wrote: > >So which one is hypercomplex arithmatic? > >> To generalise complex numbers into higher dimensions, what you need is an >> arithmetic structure that contains the structure of complex arithmetic. Of >> all the groups just listed, the _only_ groups that contain such a structure >> are the complex numbers themselves, and quaternions. >> > I err in this paragraph, as I should have known from the existence of hypercomplex numbers. There is another group with enough structure to support complex arithmetic, and I did list it. Hypercomplex arithmetic has the same structure as the group Z4+Z2. The relationship between the components of a hypercomplex number and pairs of integers mod <4,2> is as follows: 1 = <0,0> ij=ji=k <0,1><1,1>=<1,1><0,1>=<1,2> -1 = <0,2> jk=kj=-i <1,1><1,2>=<1,2><1,1>=<0,3> i = <0,1> ik=ki=-j <0,1><1,2>=<1,2><0,1>=<1,3> -i = <0,3> ii=jj=-kk=-1 <0,1><0,1>=<1,1><1,1>=<1,0><1,2>=<0,2> j = <1,1> ijk=1 <0,1><1,1><1,2>=<0,0> -j = <1,3> k = <1,2> -k = <1,0> > >Absolutly fasinating! By the way, I have a list of field/ring/etc >properties on my web pages; I don't suppose you'd like to verify that >I've got them right? You can find this at > > http://www.mk.dmu.ac.uk/~khcm8ac/Full/Math/Field.html > More clearly stated than I managed... >Do you know of any web sites where I can find out more on this sort >of thing? (and Math in general? I've yet to find a good math site!) > A few maths links I keep (I used to have more but something ate my bookmarks, and I'm still reassembling the list): http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/papers/known-math/index/ http://www.csc.fi/math_topics/ http://www.ics.uci.edu/~eppstein/junkyard/ http://euclid.math.fsu.edu/Science/math.html http://wwwmaths.anu.edu.au/services/mathsweb.html http://www.siam.org/world/ http://www.mathsoft.com/asolve/constant/constant.html http://gams.nist.gov/ http://www.research.att.com/%7Enjas/sequences/eisonline.html Most of these links supply plenty of further links for exploration. Morgan L. Owens Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: comdotatdotcom@csi.com Subject: RE: Re: (fractint) Two Pars Date: 06 May 1999 23:58 0000 >Who are these "developers", and why the closed model? Pleased to meet you Adam! I'm Robin and I tend to concentrate on interface gizmos for FractInt, for the others, check out the credits screen :-) It's not that closed a model, the source code for the current version is allways freely available and once anyone has contacted Tim or contributed a patch they can get hold of the current developers source. What we don't do currently is widely distribute loads of intermediate version executables as that would be a support nightmare! It has been rather a long time since the last official version though, sorry folks but fear not, release of a beta is close at hand..... Cheers, Robin. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Coppin" Subject: (fractint) Purely Mathematical Date: 07 May 1999 10:16:41 GMT I have seen the error of my ways; my web pages have been altered accordinly! I've also added a little table at the bottom sor quick reference. Check it out! Alternativly, start at the root of my pages: http://www.mk.dmu.ac.uk/~khcm8ac/ I've got pages on Complex arithmatic, but that's about all at the moment. More is on the way though! And thank you very much for the links!!! Nam et ipsa scientia potestus est! (Sir Francis Bacon) Andrew Orphi Coppin DMU MK. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lori rosenthal Subject: (fractint) fractal art short course Date: 07 May 1999 09:39:12 -0500 I downloaded Fracint a month ago and joined the discussion list. I've been following conversations as much as my busy schedule allows. Too bad I didn't save all the email because I remember discussion relevant to what I'm trying to do now. I'd like to offer a couple of workshops on fractal art at my home institution, ACC. I need to compile a list of resources (on and off the web) for primarily graphic and commercial art students. Would you folks mind giving me a hand by sending me your favorite URLs, books, and other publications. I'll be happy to acknowledge each contributor along with this discussion group. Also, we will be downloading Fractint onto Win98 workstations. I use DOS, 95, NT, and Linux myself and confess that I blew off most of that discussion. Never say never. Could someone remind me of the important aspects of installing on 98? They frown at me when I say DOS in the photo lab, but if it works, I think I can persuade them to go that way. Many thanks, Lori Rosenthal Math Department Austin Community College Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam Leggett" Subject: Re: Re: (fractint) Two Pars Date: 07 May 1999 11:52:39 -0500 > > >Who are these "developers", and why the closed model? > > Pleased to meet you Adam! I'm Robin and I tend to concentrate on > interface > gizmos for FractInt, for the others, check out the credits screen :-) > > It's not that closed a model, the source code for the current version is > allways freely available and once anyone has contacted Tim or > contributed a patch they can get hold of the current developers source. > What we don't do currently is widely distribute loads of intermediate > version > executables as that would be a support nightmare! > It has been rather a long time since the last official version though, sorry > folks but fear not, release of a beta is close at hand..... Why not have a publically accessible CVS server like everyone else? Even some commercial developers do that. Adam Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bresslau" Subject: (fractint) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Why_don=B4t_my_programs_run_peacefuly_together=3F=3F?= Date: 09 Jan 1999 21:10:00 -0200 First I tried partobat, and it cries to me: runtime error 200 at 0488:00= 91 Then, I got the contest kit and tried to run the update option 4, so I should get 1024x768 images. It wont run with an option (4,5,6...), only alone, as if it would generate thumbnails. I tried changing the shortkey assignement to the video-disk modes, I tried changing them both in fracti= nt and in all of the makegif*.bat=B4s. Is it because I=B4m running within wi= ndows? or is it something to do with my path (c:\geral\mat\fractint) ? I really want to see all the beautiful pars I got from you, but I don=B4t want to = call them all one by one. Another question: I=B4ve also tried the fractint saver as a par tester, b= ut when i have one single file containing hundreds of pars I put the saver t= o print 64 images on the screen. So it begins generating them nicely, but, when it comes to the last image on the screen and has to start from the beginning again it simply overwrites the files just saved. My idea was to let it work all night long so in the morning I would find lot of nice pic= s in my hard drive, but I don=B4t know what else to try. So that=B4s it. If anybody knows the answers or how I find them, please a= nswer me. Oh, I had some trouble with fimap too, are all the problems related?? Fernando Bresslau - Brazil Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ralph Feltens Subject: Re: (fractint) fractal art short course Date: 10 May 1999 13:44:33 +0200 Hello Lori > > I'd like to offer a couple of workshops on fractal art at my home institution, > ACC. I need to compile a list of resources (on and off the web) for primarily > graphic and commercial art students. Would you folks mind giving me a hand by > sending me your favorite URLs, books, and other publications. I'll be happy to > acknowledge each contributor along with this discussion group. > Here are two sites that might be of interest to you. The first one is a link to "The Beauty of Chaos" homepage http://i30www.ira.uka.de/~ukrueger/fractals/. It is a database of 500+ pictures of the mandelbrot set. I found this one very inspiring for showing how to find interesting & beautiful motifs within the mandelbrot set. The second one is the homepage of Michael Freeman (http://www2.capcollege.bc.ca/~mfreeman/). He has developed a suite of little programs (only Mandelbrot-Sets), requiring parameter inputs (i.e. coordinates) that can be obtained via a fractint par file. His programs have the following advantages: a) truecolor output (tga files / continous potential / colorfile editor included, but some manipulation with a text editor sometimes helpful) b) unlimited resolution, which is very interesting for high quality output (I made most of the pictures on my walls using resolutions of up to 8400 x 6300) [c) anti-aliasing program: useful for generating smaller images from a larger one / enhancing output quality] Ralph Feltens Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: (fractint) Updated Chebyshev formula file Date: 10 May 1999 10:13:39 -0400 Morgan L. Owens' Chebyshev formula collection has been updated and made compatible with Orgform. The collection may be found on either of my three Chebyshev pages at my Geocities web site. Please visit one of them and download this newly revised and corrected collection and let it replace your current one. Gedeon -- Fractals: http://www.geocities.com/~gedeonp/index.html Member Infinite Fractal Loop Last updated: May 5, 1999 - New Euler images Photography: http://members.xoom.com/gedeonp/index.html Last updated: February 23, 1999 - three new pages Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_(fractint)_Why_don=B4t_my_programs_run_peacefu?= Date: 10 May 1999 14:56:55 -0400 Fernando Bresslau wrote: >>> First I tried partobat, and it cries to me: runtime error 200 at 0488:0091<<< You probably have an old version which doesn't work on fast PCs. Try version 3.5 at http://www.hajoweber.de/download/program/partob35.zip Sorry, I can't help you with the other problems, but: >>> Oh, I had some trouble with fimap too, are all the problems related?? <<< You don't mean fimaps.exe that generates color maps do you? If so, I am the author of that program. Nick Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ognen Ivanovski" Subject: (fractint) Visit Genum Date: 11 May 1999 17:24:51 +0200 I've created an interactive site that develops fractal formulas using Genetic Algorithms based on the votes that visitors give for the existing formulas (i.e. fractals). Please visit it so it would work (the site needs votes to produce new and unexpected fractals). http://come.to/genum http://eon.pmf.ukim.edu.mk/~milkman/genum/ It is the same site Thanks. Ognen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bresslau" Subject: (fractint) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=28fractint=29_Why_don=B4t_my_programs_run_peacefuly_t?= Date: 11 Jan 1999 22:01:14 -0200 Nick Grasso wrote: >You probably have an old version which doesn't work on fast PCs. Try version 3.5 >at http://www.hajoweber.de/download/program/partob35.zip Thanks, I=B4m going to check it tomorrow from college. Last time I tried = to download it the page (I don=B4t if it=B4s the sam) was being updated. >>>> Oh, I had some trouble with fimap too, are all the problems related?= ? <<< > >You don't mean fimaps.exe that generates color maps do you? If so, I am = the >author of that program. Yes, that=B4s it, but I have to get a closer look at it to see if the pr= oblem continues to exest. Thank you so much, Fernando, USP, S=E3o Paulo, Brazil Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bresslau" Subject: Re: (fractint) Visit Genum Date: 11 Jan 1999 22:25:05 -0200 I visited it(http://eon.pmf.ukim.edu.mk/~milkman/genum/ ), my vote was for pic 8 first, pic 2nd and 4 3rd, but I got this message: INTERNAL: unrecognized language en?jazik=en Best regards, Bresslau Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: Re: (fractint) Visit Genum Date: 11 May 1999 19:31:19 -0700 At 05:24 PM 5/11/99 +0200, Ognen wrote: >... >Genetic Algorithms >... :o) >Please visit it so it would work (the site needs votes to produce new and >unexpected fractals). I tried both URLs, got a code 404 both times. :o( Hopefully it's a server problem that will clear later. Bud Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randall Britten" Subject: RE: (fractint) Visit Genum Date: 12 May 1999 09:54:49 +0200 It worked quite fine when I visited it. Nice experiment. ------------------------- Randall Britten -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Mark Christenson Sent: Wednesday 12 May 1999 04:31 At 05:24 PM 5/11/99 +0200, Ognen wrote: >... >Genetic Algorithms >... :o) >Please visit it so it would work (the site needs votes to produce new and >unexpected fractals). I tried both URLs, got a code 404 both times. :o( Hopefully it's a server problem that will clear later. Bud Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) Re: Genum Date: 12 May 1999 05:59:45 -0400 It would be nice if there were a private (i.e., non-server) version of Genum, so you could make sure that only your own artistic choices were registered. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: comdotatdotcom@csi.com Subject: RE: (fractint) Re: Genum Date: 12 May 1999 23:42 0000 >It would be nice if there were a private (i.e., non-server) version of >Genum, Well wait a bit for the next version of fractint ( soon!) and you'll be able to try the evolver which does much the same thing, except that at the moment you choose only one of a set of images for the next generation. I intend to add in the capabilty to weight choices of several images in the next version but that really needs a break from the somewhat restrictive DOS memory limitations which we currently operate under. Phil McRevis is currently puting in some sterling work in that direction, nice one Phil! The main problem with building such GA systems is deciding on a fitness funcion, ideally it would be nice to be able to select a favourite image from a few generations and then let the program take over once your choices were reasonably consistent.... this sounds like a job for a neural network of some sort but I know little of such things and would welcome any input from anyone here who is experienced in programming them... drop me a line if you're experienced! Cheers, Robin. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) Re: Genum Date: 12 May 1999 21:22:21 -0400 I do not think it would be a good idea to have the program "second-guess"= the user's artistic choices. I, for one, would rather make more choices t= o get a better result. If a new version of Fractint would allow the specification of user-define= d functions via Taylor series, these could be included as ADFs to provide a= faster evolution. (I have always thought Fractint's function list is quit= e restrictive.) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Genum Date: 13 May 1999 02:38:33 -0600 In article <199905122122_MC2-7588-921A@compuserve.com>, Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> writes: > (I have always thought Fractint's function list is quite > restrictive.) What functions do you think are missing? -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Genum Date: 13 May 1999 21:42:46 +1200 At 02:38 13/05/99 -0600, you wrote: > >In article <199905122122_MC2-7588-921A@compuserve.com>, > Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> writes: > >> (I have always thought Fractint's function list is quite >> restrictive.) > >What functions do you think are missing? > Let's generalise: what's missing is a way for a user to specify new functions (define a syntax for definitions contained in call it fractint.fn, say, which is loaded and folded into the list on startup. Morgan L. Owens Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bresslau" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Genum Date: 13 Jan 1999 23:13:23 -0200 De: Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Data: Quarta-feira, 12 de Maio de 1999 23:26 >I do not think it would be a good idea to have the program "second-guess= " >the user's artistic choices. I, for one, would rather make more choices = to >get a better result. >If a new version of Fractint would allow the specification of user-defin= ed >functions via Taylor series, these could be included as ADFs to provide = a >faster evolution. (I have always thought Fractint's function list is qui= te >restrictive.) I don=B4t know about the Taylor series, but I liked the idea of watching= a computer learn my preferences and try to gues what I prefer. Ok, some cho= ice power is good and artistically fundamental, but for personal fun, I reall= y support the idea. Bresslau Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bresslau" Subject: (fractint) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=28fractint=29_Re:_=28fractint=29_Why_don=B4t_my_p?= Date: 13 Jan 1999 23:01:53 -0200 >Nick Grasso wrote: > >>You probably have an old version which doesn't work on fast PCs. Try >version 3.5 >>at http://www.hajoweber.de/download/program/partob35.zip > > >Thanks, I=B4m going to check it tomorrow from college. Last time I tried= to >download it the page (I don=B4t if it=B4s the sam) was being updated. OK, it worked fine, only my mama wouldn=B4t let me let mey pc run all nig= ht long cause she thinks it eats up too much power and mney. Thanks. > >>>>> Oh, I had some trouble with fimap too, are all the problems related= ?? ><<< >> >>You don't mean fimaps.exe that generates color maps do you? If so, I am the >>author of that program. > Yes, that=B4s it, but I have to get a closer look at it to see if the problem >continues to exest. Sorry, I have made some confusion here. Fimaps works fine. Bresslau Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bresslau" Subject: (fractint) About make more memory available. Date: 13 Jan 1999 23:09:52 -0200 The problem is the following: I=B4ve always ran fractint without problems under w95. I have a pentium I= I 300MHz and 64 megs of RAM. Today I compiled another patch to my fractint = and it ran fine for a time. The mandelbrot set wouldn=B4t start correctly but= the other sets were fine. So I decided to run it under dos. I go to the start button, reboot computer under DOS. Mouse driver is loaded and I start fractint. Then I got this nice mssage: "I'm sorry, but you don't have enough free memory to run this program." OK, I=B4m no t a DOS expert, so I load win95 again, but get the same mess= age. How Can I edit my autoexec.bat, config.sys and other startup files to mor= e memory available? Can I choose between two modes, one normal and one with lots of free mem? Any help is welcome, I really don=B4t know how to do this. Best regards, Bresslau Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: c8501496@ccmailgw6.hkbu.edu.hk Subject: (fractint) Receipt of 1999/5/11 PM 05:24 message Date: 14 May 1999 10:46:22 +0800 Re:(fractint) Visit Genum Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jack Baker" Subject: Re: (fractint) About make more memory available. Date: 14 May 1999 13:09:33 GMT You may want to check the available space on your hard drive. If you do not have much open space (say less than 300 MB) on the primary master, Windows will have a hard time with its virtual memory. (I personally have 256MB RAM, and Windows uses most of it. If that is not the issue, try changing the memory manager in "system properties" from "desktop" to "server" This makes the OS manage the memory a little more aggresively. Hope these help. -Jack ----Original Message Follows---- Reply-To: fractint@lists.xmission.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com Thu May 13 19:17:36 1999 Received: from [198.60.22.7] by hotmail.com (1.5) with SMTP id MHotMailB904D2BE0172D1B9831FC63C1607F5D90; Thu May 13 19:17:36 1999 Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.05 #1)id 10i7Us-0006k0-00for fractint-goout@lists.xmission.com; Thu, 13 May 1999 20:14:46 -0600 Message-ID: <001c01bd2089$d473a900$a085f6c8@winnetou> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp-gw.homeshopping.com.br id XAA12404 Sender: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk The problem is the following: I´ve always ran fractint without problems under w95. I have a pentium II 300MHz and 64 megs of RAM. Today I compiled another patch to my fractint and it ran fine for a time. The mandelbrot set wouldn´t start correctly but the other sets were fine. So I decided to run it under dos. I go to the start button, reboot computer under DOS. Mouse driver is loaded and I start fractint. Then I got this nice mssage: "I'm sorry, but you don't have enough free memory to run this program." OK, I´m no t a DOS expert, so I load win95 again, but get the same message. How Can I edit my autoexec.bat, config.sys and other startup files to more memory available? Can I choose between two modes, one normal and one with lots of free mem? Any help is welcome, I really don´t know how to do this. Best regards, Bresslau Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FreeFlux / CephiD Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Genum Date: 14 May 1999 16:09:22 +0200 Hi, Just al little side note here. Bresslau could you pretty please set your date to now instead of jan. 1998? It's a bit annoying to have to search through all my messages to get yours. And on the subject...Having your computer learn your prefs is a nice idea, and I saw this once on a special from Super Channel about Chaos/Fracrals etc...that was over 3 years ago however. It was at the IBM labs in Britain about evolving "lifeforms". Difficult to explain this since it's been a while. Though the whole system ran on AIX, instead of your everyday DOS/W9x systems, and was most difinitley not Fractint...But implementing such a thing into fractint would require a major rewrite of some of the code I think. But I do recall that the next version will have evolving fractals. How much you can tweak/control this (or not) I don't know. What I would like to see is a more complex system of functions, right now we have a lot of trigonometric functions (cos, tan, cosh etc.). It would be nice to have some really interesting things in fractint like, PDEs/ODEs (Partial- Ordinary Differential Equations). I like these a lot, since now i know there's a whole lot more to them than just the Lorenz/Rössler equations. John Bresslau wrote: > De: Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> > Data: Quarta-feira, 12 de Maio de 1999 23:26 > > >I do not think it would be a good idea to have the program "second-guess" > >the user's artistic choices. I, for one, would rather make more choices to > >get a better result. > >If a new version of Fractint would allow the specification of user-defined > >functions via Taylor series, these could be included as ADFs to provide a > >faster evolution. (I have always thought Fractint's function list is quite > >restrictive.) > I don´t know about the Taylor series, but I liked the idea of watching a > computer learn my preferences and try to gues what I prefer. Ok, some choice > power is good and artistically fundamental, but for personal fun, I really > support the idea. > Bresslau > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" -- ===================================== From: John B. [QW] - CephiD / Cancel! [HL DM/TFC] - SM.Ceph / SM.SlickRick Member of earthQuake http://earthquake.xs4all.nl/ ===================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo M. Forno" Subject: RE: (fractint) Re: Genum Date: 14 May 1999 11:45:54 -0300 Hi On this list, I have seen mentioned a program called fimap that creates color maps for fractint. Does some one known where can I find it? Is it shareware or freeware? Thanks a lot. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com Subject: Re: (fractint) About make more memory available. Date: 14 May 1999 11:16:46 -0400 Bresslau wrote: >>>How Can I edit my autoexec.bat, config.sys and other startup files to more memory available? Can I choose between two modes, one normal and one with lots of free mem?<<< Hello again Bresslau, To get the most memory for DOS sessions in Windows95, put the following lines in CONFIG.SYS: device=c:\windows\himem.sys device=c:\windows\emm386.exe noems DOS=HIGH,UMB I think the noems parameter is OK because fractint uses xms, not ems, but I might be wrong. You could try it without noems. If you are loading anything else into memory in config.sys or autoexec.bat, try loading them into high memory, for example in config.sys: DEVICEHIGH=C:\WINDOWS\RAMDRIVE.SYS 1536 512 128 /E or in autoexec.bat: LOADHIGH c:\windows\command\doskey.com Also, if you are loading hardware drivers in config or autoexec, you can usually take them out and use the 32 bit Windows 95 drivers instead. For example, when you upgrade Win 3.1 to 95, it will leave the CD ROM drivers in config.sys. However, almost all CD drives now have Win95 drivers, so you can use those instead which will give you more DOS memory. You must reboot after making these changes. If you still get out-of-memory errors after trying the above, it could be that fractint.exe is corrupt. Corrupt or virus infected exes often give out-of-memory errors. Please feel free to email me privately if you have any more questions about this. Nick Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com Subject: RE: (fractint) Re: Genum Date: 14 May 1999 11:44:53 -0400 Ricardo M. Forno wrote: >>>On this list, I have seen mentioned a program called fimap that creates color maps for fractint. Does some one known where can I find it? Is it shareware or freeware? Thanks a lot.<<< Hi Ricardo, I am the author of that program (fimaps.exe). It is totally free, but I do not have a web site. I could send it to you as an email attachment. It is 200K. Or if somebody on the list wants to post it on the web, I'll send it to them. It is a DOS program but it works in Win95 and OS/2. There are several other mapping programs for Windows now that are probably better, but fimaps has a neat feature where you can display your fractal and manipulate the colors using hotkeys. Let me know. Nick Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fliguer, Miguel" Subject: RE: (fractint) Re: Genum Date: 14 May 1999 12:58:49 -0300 I missed some posts on this thread. Could anybody repost Genum's URL ? Thanks, Miguel Fliguer - Buenos Aires, Argentina Franktal Gallery http://members.xoom.com/fliguer/franktal.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randall Britten" Subject: (fractint) Command line options Date: 14 May 1999 18:12:38 +0200 Where is the documentation for the command line options for fractint? Are they the same for xfractint? Also, on the topic, is anyone working on porting the next release of fractint to and X version yet? ------------------------- Randall Britten Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo M. Forno" Subject: RE: (fractint) Re: Genum Date: 14 May 1999 13:26:01 -0300 If at all possible, please attach it to an e-mail, though I understand this practice is not recommended in the fractint list. Thank you very much. ---------- > De: nick.grasso@hrads.com > A: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Asunto: RE: (fractint) Re: Genum > Fecha: Viernes 14 de Mayo de 1999 12:44 PM > > > > Ricardo M. Forno wrote: > > >>>On this list, I have seen mentioned a program called fimap that creates color > maps for fractint. Does some one known where can I find it? Is it shareware or > freeware? > Thanks a lot.<<< > > Hi Ricardo, > > I am the author of that program (fimaps.exe). It is totally free, but I do not > have a web site. I could send it to you as an email attachment. It is 200K. Or > if somebody on the list wants to post it on the web, I'll send it to them. It is > a DOS program but it works in Win95 and OS/2. There are several other mapping > programs for Windows now that are probably better, but fimaps has a neat feature > where you can display your fractal and manipulate the colors using hotkeys. Let > me know. > > Nick > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) Command line options Date: 14 May 1999 11:47:52 -0600 In article <003a01be9e24$96b4b8b0$e3021ac4@galilee.is.co.za>, "Randall Britten" writes: > Where is the documentation for the command line options for fractint? In fractint.doc, see the section "startup parameters" in the main help screen. > Are they the same for xfractint? Yes, and xfractint adds a few options specific to the unix version. They are in the help file as shown by xfractint. > Also, on the topic, is anyone working on porting the next release of > fractint to and X version yet? xfractint and fractint share most of the source code; generally a new release of xfractint comes out when a new release of fractint comes out. -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo M. Forno" Subject: RE: (fractint) Re: Genum Date: 14 May 1999 15:38:47 -0300 Hi NIck again: Of course, you can send it only to my private e-mail address. Thanks. ---------- > De: nick.grasso@hrads.com > A: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Asunto: RE: (fractint) Re: Genum > Fecha: Viernes 14 de Mayo de 1999 12:44 PM > > > > Ricardo M. Forno wrote: > > >>>On this list, I have seen mentioned a program called fimap that creates color > maps for fractint. Does some one known where can I find it? Is it shareware or > freeware? > Thanks a lot.<<< > > Hi Ricardo, > > I am the author of that program (fimaps.exe). It is totally free, but I do not > have a web site. I could send it to you as an email attachment. It is 200K. Or > if somebody on the list wants to post it on the web, I'll send it to them. It is > a DOS program but it works in Win95 and OS/2. There are several other mapping > programs for Windows now that are probably better, but fimaps has a neat feature > where you can display your fractal and manipulate the colors using hotkeys. Let > me know. > > Nick > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ognen Ivanovski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Genum Date: 14 May 1999 21:17:58 +0200 Either http://come.to/genum/ (but I hate the ad's) or http://eon.pmf.ukim.edu.mk/~milkman/genum/ And sorry all for the terrible english on the page.... milkman -----Original Message----- >I missed some posts on this thread. Could anybody >repost Genum's URL ? Thanks, > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ognen Ivanovski" Subject: (fractint) Genum Date: 14 May 1999 21:48:49 +0200 First, I would like to thank you all for actively visiting Genum. It runs for almost two months and had produced 5 generations. Two new appeared only in the last two days. It makes me happy to see progress on the page. I am a fractint fan since early highschool and I swore to my self a long time ago that I'd learn all what's behing all those breathtaking images. Recently I had to do a project in the field of GA and while searching for a subject I found out that it is possible to "mate" fractal formulas (a similar project somewhere on gatech.edu exists). So I developed Genum: I wanted to learn everything (except LHA compressing, so I used a library) and thereso Genum is a completely standalone in drawing and "mating" the fractals. Of course that's a problem: I can't get the same images using fractint with the same formulas. Genum has a bug but I haven't found it yet. But it produces nice images so I let it go. Concerning the fitness function Robin mentions and the ability to write a program that would "second-guess" someone's pick: Just to discurage you: read "Shadows of the Mind" by Roger Penrose on the subject. An atempt to write a program that would guess someones visual taste is an atempt to define the taste of a person, furthermore the attempt to predict such a taste I would consider highly entusiastic. Now, I guess that you don't want to do that. What could be done at our best is to base the choice (the fitness fn) on some kind of similarity to image (or images) previosly indicated by a human. But that of course would not be anything near to "implanting" one's taste into the code. _____ http://eon.pmf.ukim.edu.mk/~milkman/ [coming soon] Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ognen Ivanovski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Genum Date: 14 May 1999 21:26:59 +0200 I plan to distribute the source code freely as a simple instalation package but you have to give me time for that. I can't run a project that big on the university server (it would have to hold a lots of gifs). At the identifiers in the source are on Macedonian (I had to do it so to impress my professor) and it would do no good. I'll translate it as soon as I get to revise it. The whole project is writen in C++ and Perl (the cgi part). You might be interested in the Object Design. It runs only on POSIX compilant unices (I rely on forking a lot) but it is not a big problem to port the code. milkman -----Original Message----- It would be nice if there were a private (i.e., non-server) version of Genum, so you could make sure that only your own artistic choices were registered. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ognen Ivanovski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Visit Genum Date: 14 May 1999 21:19:51 +0200 Sorry for that. I'm a little bit late on checking my mail so I missed the chance to try exactly the same choice you did -- a new generation appeared today. milkman -----Original Message----- >I visited it(http://eon.pmf.ukim.edu.mk/~milkman/genum/ >), my vote was for pic 8 first, pic 2nd and 4 3rd, but I got this message: >INTERNAL: unrecognized language en?jazik=en > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bresslau" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Genum Date: 14 May 1999 22:32:56 -0300 De: FreeFlux / CephiD Data: Sexta-feira, 14 de Maio de 1999 11:13 Assunto: Re: (fractint) Re: Genum >Hi, > >Just al little side note here. Bresslau could you pretty please set your date to >now instead of jan. 1998? It's a bit annoying to have to search through = all my >messages to get yours. Ok, done. Sorry, this was to cheat a little shareware prog into running. >But I do recall that the >next version will have evolving fractals. How much you can tweak/control this >(or not) I don't know. It=B4s going to have, it=B4s nice and I know that it will have some exper= t modes which will give us some control of it, although for the simple user it=B4= s just hitting a key and chosin one of several thumbnails of evolutions. > >What I would like to see is a more complex system of functions, right no= w we >have a lot of trigonometric functions (cos, tan, cosh etc.). It would be nice to >have some really interesting things in fractint like, PDEs/ODEs (Partial= - >Ordinary Differential Equations). I like these a lot, since now i know there's a >whole lot more to them than just the Lorenz/R=F6ssler equations. I surely support your Idea, although I=B4ll have to learn some more math before (what we learn at engineering school ist allways very practical, a= nd we miss much of theoretical beauty of maths. Best regards, Bresslau Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bresslau" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Genum Date: 14 May 1999 22:57:21 -0300 When I got that error message at genum (language not supported or something), the problem was with the browser (Opera). I tried it again, as the error persisted, Ithought about changing to IExp. and it worked. Bresslau Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bresslau" Subject: Re: (fractint) About make more memory available. Date: 14 May 1999 23:03:10 -0300 De: Jack Baker Data: Sexta-feira, 14 de Maio de 1999 10:14 Assunto: Re: (fractint) About make more memory available. >You may want to check the available space on your hard drive. If you do not >have much open space (say less than 300 MB) on the primary master, Windo= ws >will have a hard time with its virtual memory. Right, I=B4m going to make more free space (nowadays only 181 MB). >(I personally have 256MB RAM, >and Windows uses most of it. If that is not the issue, try changing the >memory manager in "system properties" from "desktop" to "server" Also done Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry Spreen Subject: Re: (fractint) About make more memory available. Date: 14 May 1999 23:29:06 -0500 At 11:03 PM 5/14/99 -0300, you wrote: > >De: Jack Baker >Data: Sexta-feira, 14 de Maio de 1999 10:14 >Assunto: Re: (fractint) About make more memory available. > > >>You may want to check the available space on your hard drive. If you do >not >>have much open space (say less than 300 MB) on the primary master, Windows >>will have a hard time with its virtual memory. > >Right, I=B4m going to make more free space (nowadays only 181 MB). > >>(I personally have 256MB RAM, >>and Windows uses most of it. If that is not the issue, try changing the >>memory manager in "system properties" from "desktop" to "server" > >Also done I recently was having a lot of trouble with the windows swapfile and virtual memory. Available hard drive memory was down to about 300 meg.. I thought that adding a second hard drive and restructuring the system would solve the problem. However, even with 1.5 Gig on the primary master, I was still having virtual memory problems. The swapfile seemed to be managed improperly by the system, growing to immense size. Switching the swapfile to the secondary master with about the same amount free solved the problem and the swapfile has remained at a reasonable size. I don't know why it works, but it does. Best, Barry mailto:bspreen@mwci.net Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bresslau" Subject: (fractint) Is the list working? Date: 16 May 1999 13:02:16 -0300 Just testing to see if my subscription is still working. Sorry, Bresslau Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) Re: Is the list working? Date: 16 May 1999 14:33:57 -0400 (EDT) At 01:02 PM 5/16/99 -0300, Bresslau wrote: >Just testing to see if my subscription is still working. The Fractint list is still working, though the traffic is way down since the fractal artists who once posted here moved their par file postings to the Ultra Fractal list. We need to recruit some more of those who are interested in the mathematical aspect of fractals. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Is the list working? Date: 16 May 1999 13:12:59 -0700 Jim, >>Just testing to see if my subscription is still working. > >The Fractint list is still working, though the traffic is way down >since the fractal artists who once posted here moved their par file >postings to the Ultra Fractal list. We need to recruit some more of >those who are interested in the mathematical aspect of fractals. Am I correct in reading the implication that those who are using programs other than Fractint are not interested in the mathematical aspect of fractals? If so, that seems to be a rather absurd implication. If not, please clarify. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kellie Charlynn Angel Findley" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Is the list working? Date: 16 May 1999 15:57:59 PDT Actually, there are those such as myself who enjoy both the intellectual= and the aesthetic beauty of fractals. ---------- > > Jim, > > >>Just testing to see if my subscription is still working. > > > >The Fractint list is still working, though the traffic is way down > >since the fractal artists who once posted here moved their par file = > >postings to the Ultra Fractal list. We need to recruit some more of = > >those who are interested in the mathematical aspect of fractals. > > Am I correct in reading the implication that those who are using > programs other than Fractint are not interested in the mathematical > aspect of fractals? > > If so, that seems to be a rather absurd implication. If not, please > clarify. > > > Ken... > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Conally Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Is the list working? Date: 16 May 1999 17:33:55 -0400 At 03:57 PM 5/16/99 PDT, you wrote: >Actually, there are those such as myself who enjoy both the intellectual and the aesthetic beauty of fractals. Same Here!!! Tom Conally In every boomerang there is a perfect throw. Your life, Grasshopper, is to practice till you find that throw and become one with that boomerang! __________________________________________ Boomerangs http://www.angelfire.com/nc/conally Paradise http://www.netpath.net/~conally/ Fractal Images http://members.tripod.com/afractal Teddybear's picnic http://members.tripod.com/afractal/picnic/teddybear.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Natalie Koning Subject: Re: (fractint) About make more memory available. Date: 17 May 1999 00:32:32 +0200 In article <19990514130934.39582.qmail@hotmail.com>, Jack Baker writes >You may want to check the available space on your hard drive. If you do not >have much open space (say less than 300 MB) on the primary master, Windows >will have a hard time with its virtual memory. (I personally have 256MB RAM, >and Windows uses most of it. If that is not the issue, try changing the >memory manager in "system properties" from "desktop" to "server" This makes >the OS manage the memory a little more aggresively. Hope these help. > >-Jack > Huh? I'm running Fractint (DOS and Win versions) on a Pentium 75 with 8MB RAM without any problems. Natalie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Knowing Murphy's Law won't help either. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jack Baker" Subject: Re: (fractint) About make more memory available. Date: 16 May 1999 23:45:14 GMT Congratulations... In article <19990514130934.39582.qmail@hotmail.com>, Jack Baker writes >You may want to check the available space on your hard drive. If you do not >have much open space (say less than 300 MB) on the primary master, Windows >will have a hard time with its virtual memory. (I personally have 256MB RAM, >and Windows uses most of it. If that is not the issue, try changing the >memory manager in "system properties" from "desktop" to "server" This makes >the OS manage the memory a little more aggresively. Hope these help. > >-Jack > Huh? I'm running Fractint (DOS and Win versions) on a Pentium 75 with 8MB RAM without any problems. Natalie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Knowing Murphy's Law won't help either. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) Re: Is the list working? Date: 16 May 1999 20:36:30 -0400 (EDT) At 01:12 PM 5/16/99 -0700, Ken Childress wrote: >Am I correct in reading the implication that those who are using >programs other than Fractint are not interested in the mathematical >aspect of fractals? No, you are not correct. >If so, that seems to be a rather absurd implication. If it were so, it would indeed be absurd. >If not, please clarify. Okay, I'll try to spell it out. To start, it is obvious that those who enjoy fractals have an interest in math, and it is also obvious that those who enjoy fractals also have an artistic sense. Every person who runs any fractal generating program is to some degree both an artist and a mathematician. But some are more attracted to the math aspect, and others to the artistic side of fractals. I am assuming that by the term "programs other than Fractint" you mean Ultra Fractal. When the Fractint list began about two years ago, it was nearly engulfed by a flood of parameter files, which came in at a rate of sometimes near 100 per day. The comments accompanying these files constantly asked questions such as, "when will Fractint support true-color?" It was obvious that such features were much desired. Then the Ultra Fractal list was formed, and those who had filled the Fractint list with par files moved to the UF list, and began filling it with their par files. And why not -- UF is faster and has many of the features that the Fractint list posters were clamoring for. As a result, in a period of a month or so, the volume of traffic on the Fractint list dropped from 50 or so a day to only one or two messages per day. Concerned about the lack of traffic, one of the list subscribers, (I think it was Bresslau), posted a test letter to see if the list was still working. I replied, assuring him that it was. I added a comment to my reply, speculating about how we might raise a bit more traffic for the Fractint list. Since those who were seeking more artistic versatility in their fractal program have found it in UF, I suggested that the Fractint list should emphasize the math aspect of fractal seeking. I did not even think of denigrating the mathematical ability of those who switched to UF, just as I would not denigrate the artistic ability of those, like myself, who stayed with Fractint. BTW, I am a subscriber to the UF list, and have tried the program. I did not continue using it because I am really not that interested in things such as multiple layers, etc. (Again, no offense intended against those who use layers.) Also, I generate fractals on several machines, and two of them still run Windows-3.1, which does not support UF. If you still feel offended, quote the phrase that offends you, and I'll give further clarification. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bresslau" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Is the list working? Date: 17 May 1999 01:49:04 -0300 Now that you=B4ve mentioned it, I=B4m curios about the ultra fractal list= . What is the subscription aaddress? Thanks, Bresslau, the one who started all this. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Is the list working? Date: 16 May 1999 21:19:44 -0700 Jim, >>Am I correct in reading the implication that those who are using >>programs other than Fractint are not interested in the mathematical >>aspect of fractals? > >No, you are not correct. I'm glad. >>If not, please clarify. > >Okay, I'll try to spell it out. To start, it is obvious that >those who enjoy fractals have an interest in math, and it is >also obvious that those who enjoy fractals also have an artistic >sense. Every person who runs any fractal generating program is >to some degree both an artist and a mathematician. But some >are more attracted to the math aspect, and others to the >artistic side of fractals. Makes sense to me. >I am assuming that by the term "programs other than Fractint" >you mean Ultra Fractal. When the Fractint list began about two >years ago, it was nearly engulfed by a flood of parameter files, >which came in at a rate of sometimes near 100 per day. The >comments accompanying these files constantly asked questions >such as, "when will Fractint support true-color?" It was >obvious that such features were much desired. No, I didn't specifically have UF in mind, but that assumption wasn't necessarily off base. >Then the Ultra Fractal list was formed, and those who had filled >the Fractint list with par files moved to the UF list, and began >filling it with their par files. And why not -- UF is faster >and has many of the features that the Fractint list posters were >clamoring for. > >As a result, in a period of a month or so, the volume of traffic >on the Fractint list dropped from 50 or so a day to only one or >two messages per day. Concerned about the lack of traffic, one >of the list subscribers, (I think it was Bresslau), posted a >test letter to see if the list was still working. I replied, >assuring him that it was. Well, the traffic on this list certainly has dropped off, but it has only been in the last couple of months. The Uf list has been going for about 10 months or so. >I added a comment to my reply, speculating about how we might >raise a bit more traffic for the Fractint list. Since those who >were seeking more artistic versatility in their fractal program >have found it in UF, I suggested that the Fractint list should >emphasize the math aspect of fractal seeking. I did not even >think of denigrating the mathematical ability of those who >switched to UF, just as I would not denigrate the artistic >ability of those, like myself, who stayed with Fractint. I'm glad to hear that. I agree completely. Each has their own opinions about the various programs and why they use them. All the programs are tools, and while different programs have different capabilities, they are just tools for the user to gain whatever pleasure from that they choose. >BTW, I am a subscriber to the UF list, and have tried the >program. I did not continue using it because I am really not >that interested in things such as multiple layers, etc. (Again, >no offense intended against those who use layers.) Also, I >generate fractals on several machines, and two of them still run >Windows-3.1, which does not support UF. > >If you still feel offended, quote the phrase that offends you, >and I'll give further clarification. I didn't really feel offended. I just wanted to make sure that I understood your statement. On the surface, it could have been taken different ways. I thank you for taking the time to clarify it for me. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Is the list working? Date: 16 May 1999 23:32:27 -0500 Bresslau wrote: > > Now that you´ve mentioned it, I´m curios about > the ultra fractal list. What is the subscription > aaddress? Thanks, Bresslau, the one who started > all this. > ULTRA FRACTAL, The Ultra Fractal Discussion List Administrator: Frederik J. Slijkerman Subscription Address: majordomo@icd.com (body of your email message: subscribe ultrafractal) Posts: ultrafractal@icd.com Description: This mailing list is open to all individuals/organizations interested in all aspects of the program "Ultra Fractal" written by F. J. Slijkerman. It is a 32-bit fractal plotter for Windows 95/NT featuring multi-threading, multiple documents, and multiple layers. Also has many other features that include a formula compiler compatible with Fractint. The website and download area may be found at the following URL: http://www.ultrafractal.com/ Archive: Send a message to mailto:majordomo@icd.com with "index ultrafractal" in the BODY of the message. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Salomon" Subject: Re: (fractint) About make more memory available. Date: 17 May 1999 01:13:15 -0400 "CONGRATULATIONS"?!!!! Is THAT the best you have to offer? Is that the best you can offer to the fractint list? What a flaming idiot.... What a bully ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 16, 1999 7:45 PM > Congratulations... > > In article <19990514130934.39582.qmail@hotmail.com>, Jack Baker > writesit > >You may want to check the available space on your hard drive. If you do > not > >have much open space (say less than 300 MB) on the primary master, Windows > >will have a hard time with its virtual memory. (I personally have 256MB > RAM, > >and Windows uses most of it. If that is not the issue, try changing the > >memory manager in "system properties" from "desktop" to "server" This > makes > >the OS manage the memory a little more aggresively. Hope these help. > > > >-Jack > > > > Huh? > > I'm running Fractint (DOS and Win versions) on a Pentium 75 with 8MB RAM > without any problems. > > > Natalie > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Knowing Murphy's Law won't help either. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul DeCelle Subject: Re: (fractint) About make more memory available. Date: 17 May 1999 01:24:25 -0400 Mark Salomon wrote: > > "CONGRATULATIONS"?!!!! > Is THAT the best you have to offer? > Is that the best you can offer to the fractint list? > > What a flaming idiot.... > What a bully Um, isn't this somewhat inappropriate? There's already enough hostility in the world - Let's try to keep it a little more civil, please.. Paul Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Natalie Subject: Re: (fractint) About make more memory available. Date: 17 May 1999 09:12:10 +0200 In article <373FA809.A7F3E7EF@prodigy.net>, Paul DeCelle writes >> "CONGRATULATIONS"?!!!! >> Is THAT the best you have to offer? >> Is that the best you can offer to the fractint list? >> >> What a flaming idiot.... >> What a bully > > >Um, isn't this somewhat inappropriate? There's already enough hostility >in the world - Let's try to keep it a little more civil, please.. > >Paul > Oops, it wasn't my intention to start people shouting, I'm sorry. I'll disappear again. Goodbye. -- Knowing Murphy's Law won't help either. Natalie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Coppin" Subject: (fractint) IFS Date: 17 May 1999 10:07:19 GMT Well, it's not FractInt, but it *IS* fractal! I've written an IFS fractal generator in POV-Ray (v3.1). You can download this from http://www.mk.dmu.ac.uk/~khcm8ac/Full/POVRay31/IFS.html I'm also looking for cool IFS's to add to my collection. I tried to add the fern from fractint (FRACTINT.IFS -> Fern3D), but this didn't come out too good (actually I got error messages about 0 scaling factors on a couple of lines!) More to be added soon! Nam et ipsa scientia potestus est! (Sir Francis Bacon) Andrew Orphi Coppin DMU MK. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jack Baker" Subject: Re: (fractint) About make more memory available. Date: 17 May 1999 12:17:15 GMT Thanks Paul... By the way, when I say congratulations, I mean that I am glad that she has no problems with her systems. Unfortunately some people are not as lucky as she is and do experience problems. Specifically, Windows 95 and 98 both can do strange things when managing memory in excess of 32MB. There is no reason to be confrontational. -Jack Mark Salomon wrote: > > "CONGRATULATIONS"?!!!! > Is THAT the best you have to offer? > Is that the best you can offer to the fractint list? > > What a flaming idiot.... > What a bully Um, isn't this somewhat inappropriate? There's already enough hostility in the world - Let's try to keep it a little more civil, please.. Paul Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jack Baker" Subject: Re: (fractint) About make more memory available. Date: 17 May 1999 12:21:55 GMT Don't do that. There are to few people posting to this list as it stands. And most of the posts have nothing to do with Parfiles, etc. I, personally do not have time to create new PAR's, but I do enjoy plugging in the ones that get posted. So....... -Jack Oops, it wasn't my intention to start people shouting, I'm sorry. I'll disappear again. Goodbye. -- Knowing Murphy's Law won't help either. Natalie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: karen_mc@mindspring.com (karen) Subject: Re: (fractint) IFS Date: 17 May 1999 12:49:24 GMT On Mon, 17 May 1999 10:07:19 GMT, you wrote: >Well, it's not FractInt, but it *IS* fractal! I've written an IFS >fractal generator in POV-Ray (v3.1). You can download this from > > http://www.mk.dmu.ac.uk/~khcm8ac/Full/POVRay31/IFS.html Well no, it's not Fractint but thanks very much for posting the information. I've been playing with IFSs in both Fractint and UF for about two weeks now and so am very much interested. Looking forward to checking out the site. Thanks again, Karen McCormack Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: UF List Date: 17 May 1999 10:52:26 -0500 Bresslau, Paul, The archive to the UF list can also be obtained directly (without going through the Majordomo list software) from this URL: ftp://ftp.fractalus.com/pub/lists/ultrafractal/ Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randall Britten" Subject: (fractint) xfractint partobat? Date: 17 May 1999 19:15:25 +0200 Has anyone written a ParToBat for UNIX's xfractint? ------------------------- Randall Britten Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) xfractint partobat? Date: 17 May 1999 11:36:22 -0600 In article <002801bea088$ddf8f770$e3021ac4@galilee.is.co.za>, "Randall Britten" writes: > Has anyone written a ParToBat for UNIX's xfractint? I wrote a perl script some time ago that did what partobat does and more. However, the script was written to generate BAT files for msdos, not unix shell scripts. I don't even know where the script is anymore, since I wrote it for a need at the moment. However, its not hard to write something similar. (I have no idea why the partobat.exe author didn't include the source; it can't be more than a page or two of C code.) -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bresslau" Subject: (fractint) Choose yur picture before downloading the par. Date: 17 May 1999 22:08:41 -0300 I just had an idea: what if there where a site where you could see a preview of the pars you were going to download? Somethng like a thumbnail page with checkboxes fo= r each picture. you like the picture, you check it. Then you post the form = and a par file with all the pars for the pics you checked is created speciall= y for you. This was the idea. I downloaded lots of huge par files with hundreds of pictures without havin a hint to what they contained. My pars are really = a mess and I don=B4t have time to process each of them to see what comes up. Maybe if I could download only what I wanted, I could still have a beauti= ful collection of fractals without having the trouble to select them one by o= ne after they were generated. I don=B4t know nothing about web deisgn /programming, and I don=B4t know = if this is a good idea. But if anybody likes it, please use it. Bresslau Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jack Baker" Subject: Re: (fractint) Choose yur picture before downloading the par. Date: 18 May 1999 03:42:01 GMT Pretty good idea, and it really would not be to hard to do. Just gotta get the web space and time to get it done. Perhaps on a server like xoom.com??? Anyway, a simple CGI would probably be fine, and all that would be necessary for the graphics would be a thumbnail. The user could download any pars that they were intrigued by and view the larger graphic at their leisure. Anybody out there want to jump on board here????? -Jack ----Original Message Follows---- Reply-To: fractint@lists.xmission.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com Mon May 17 18:35:39 1999 Received: from [198.60.22.7] by hotmail.com (1.5) with SMTP id MHotMailB90A0EE70132D101707EC63C1607F92C0; Mon May 17 18:35:39 1999 Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.05 #1)id 10jYl7-00075e-00for fractint-goout@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 17 May 1999 19:33:29 -0600 Message-ID: <001501bea0ce$7bea1c80$a485f6c8@winnetou> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp-gw.homeshopping.com.br id WAA23119 Sender: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk I just had an idea: what if there where a site where you could see a preview of the pars you were going to download? Somethng like a thumbnail page with checkboxes for each picture. you like the picture, you check it. Then you post the form and a par file with all the pars for the pics you checked is created specially for you. This was the idea. I downloaded lots of huge par files with hundreds of pictures without havin a hint to what they contained. My pars are really a