From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: (fractint) Two fractal formats. Date: 01 Jun 1999 01:24:57 MDT A simple, universal format for recording the details needed to color and recolor an image, is as follows. All quantities are big-endian for consis= tency across platforms. offset qty. type description 0x0000 1 ushort width 0x0002 1 ushort height 0x0004 1 ushort # of distinct regions/basins. Basins will= be numbered from 0 to this number minus one. 0x0006 width*height record offset qty. type description 0x0000 1 ushort basin number 0x0002 1 double pixel value (a double can b= e used to hold integers with 56 bits precision) A rendering program will have to scan over all of the data to discover ho= w many basins there are and for each, what the minimum and maximum values for the value are. This can be done while load= ing in the data. This is to keep the file format simple. The file format can be modified by augmenting it with a compressi= on scheme such as LZSS. A slightly less simple format I have devised to record enough to allow th= e image to be resumed, zoomed, or the parameters tweaked, or evolved, follows. It relies on the supposition of the develop= ment of an essential infrastructure. The infrastructure would be a namespace system for the naming of formulas= =2E I propose the following: each person use some easily-recognizable component of their name as their namespace name. They= name their formulas in this scheme with that as a prefix. I'd use PGD for mine, so PGD::Nova is the full name for the Nova formula. Names will apply to Julibrot objects or to stand-alone Julia types. The classics, e.g. Mandelbrot, Julia, etc. would be named as they are. Some classic (escape-time, 2 dimensional) fractals and their proposed nam= es. Fractal Proposed name z^2+c Mandelbrot z^n+c (n integer) IntPMandelbrot z^x+c (x real) RealPMandelbrot z^w+c (w complex) CplxPMandelbrot (corresponds to fracti= nt type=3Dmanzpower, julzpower) z^z+z^w+c ZZMandelbrot (type=3Dmanzzpwr, julz= zpwr) rx(1-x) LambdaMandelbrot (type=3Dlambda, mandel= lambda) c*f(z) CfnMandelbrot (type=3Dlambdafn, mand= elfn) Newton z^n-1 NewtonUnity (type=3Dnewton, newtba= sin) (Unity as it is roots = of unity and not general Newton) (Not a julibrot.) Newton z^w-1 (w complex) CplxNewton (type=3Dcomplexnewton)= (Not a julibrot.) Newton z^3 + (c-1) z - c NewtonCubic (Generic cubical equat= ion Newton) Formulas will have parameter names associated with their parameters. The name's meaning is determined by the formula in context. The commonest names will be: name type description seed complex or hyper Julia c values. May also be a vector quantity = for some formulas. init " " " Mandel z_0 values. A critical point or value, = e.g. 0 for Mandelbrot, gives a true Mandelbrot fractal. Any other value gives a perturbed Mandelbrot. exponent integer, real, complex, hyper depending on formula Exponent in Newton and z^n+c types. Analogous = for others. function The function in CfnMandelbrot and friends. function1, function2 ... In multi-function relatives of lambdafn, lik= e Fractint's fn1*fn2+c. For all of these, defaults are set by formula-specification. Formulas will be assumed to have the attractors to check for specified in= the formula. A word on attractors. For Julia types, attractors are sought out by "discovery". For Mandelbrot types, attractors are specified in the formula, either as = fixed quantities (e.g. infinity for Mandelbrot) or as some function of the parameters (as with Nova). Two special attract= or types will be infinity or find_fixed_point. The latter will collect all points that tend to settle to one finite valu= e. Functions will be specifiable in some complex, yet to be devised format. = A fractal formula specification consists of: string 1 Formula name with qualification, e.g. PGD::Nova. string 1 Comments. See below about format for a comment string.= record any Parameter specifications. type qty. description string 1 name of parameter string 1 type-id, 'integer', 'real', 'complex' allowed, 'complex' can be supplanted with hypercomplex with the hyper flag = on. uint 1 Number of dimensions for a vector valu= e, normally 1. bool 1 Periodicity-checking applies to this parameter? (Normally no except for the iteration variable) The first parameter specified is the iteration variabl= e (possibly a vector). Its name will often be 'init' to match the above convention for the classic types. delimiter n-place-function 1 Specifies the new value of the first parameter in t= erms of all of the parameter values (incl. previous value of first parameter). May be a vector-valued function to match the first parameter's nature. bool 1 Suppress Julibrot behavior and act pure Julia. (e.g. NewtonUnity.) This will usually specify a Julibrot object. A Julia set is taken by fixi= ng parameters in the image except to pixel-vary init. A Mandelbrot set (or slice thereof) is taken by pixel-varying a sli= ce of the parameter space except for the fixing of init at a critical point or critical value. A perturbed Mandelbrot set= is taken by doing the same except to fix init at a point that isn't a critical point or critical value. An oblique slice is = taken by using some other more general manner of slicing. If there is one init parameter and one other, seed parameter, you have a = 4-D Julibrot with planar M-sets and planar Julia sets. To specify the classic M-set Julibrot: string Mandelbrot string The original classic! record string init string complex uint 1 bool true record string seed string complex uint 1 bool false delimiter n-place-function (init |-> init*init+seed, specified somehow) bool false A convolution is a collection of n n-place functions, where n is the numb= er of parameter-space dimensions, often 4. The dimension of a convolution should match the dimension of the fractal = to which it is applied, in the larger sense. An escape shape is a function that returns a bool from a vector, dependin= g on the vector escaping a certain shape. The shape should have a radius of around 1, it will be scaled automatically when us= ed. A plane through the origin in n dimensions is specified by n real coefficients. These will be termed c_1, ..., c_n, and the real basis components for the parameter space x_1, ..., z_n. Then the= plane specified is that satisfying: c_1*x_1 + c_2*x_2 + ... + c_n*x_n =3D 0. Format: a ushort, the number of dimensions, then n reals. How to specify an arbitrary n-valued function. record any Parameters string 1 name string 1 type (bool, integer, real, complex, function) delimiter record any Temporaries string 1 name string 1 type (bool, integer, real, complex) delimiter record any calculation steps string 1 operation to perform: add, multiply, squ= are, recip, <=3D, >=3D, invoke parametrized function, etc. Two special ops: 1. Set a label. 2.= Branch to a label if param 1 is true. string 1 dest-param [If operation to perform is a= n assignment and not a conditional] bool 1 source-param-1 is a parameter. string 1 source-param-1 [If source-param-1 is a parameter] some type 1 source-param-1 [If not, i.e. source-par= am-2 is a constant] string 1 source-param-2 [Only if operation is bi= nary and not unary and it's a parameter here.] some type 1 source-param-1 [Only if operation is bi= nary and not unary and it's a constant here.] string 1 param-name of function to invoke [only i= f that is the operation to perform] string 1 label-name if we are declaring a label o= r conditionally branching to one. = delimiter string 1 name of temporary to return. ulong 1 Maximum number of steps before aborting. Ensures the fun= ction cannot hang. return type 1 Value to return on abort. When these are compiled: * Type mismatches between number and function values will cause an error.= * Conversions will be implicitly inserted among the non-function types. Anything to bool: 0 =3D false, anything else =3D true. Bool to anything: false =3D 0, true =3D 1. Integer to real to complex: As expected, value unchanged. Complex to real: Chop all but real component. Real to integer: Round to nearest, round 0.5 up. * Integer operations and such may be optimized, e.g. z^3 should be as fas= t as possible if the parameter 3 is an integer type, and in particular will then be faster than if the 3 was in a complex parameter type. * Operations using constants should be faster by taking advantage of the = exact value of the constant if it is a small integer. I.e. z^2 with the 2 constant can be translated into the fast cplx sqyar= ing procedure. * Function parameters must be either unary or binary functions. Ident, ze= ro, one, recip, sqr, add, multiply, etc. * The defined function's return type is that of the parameter named near = the end as the return. It is returned at successful exit of the loop. * The parameter of a branch is implicitly converted to a boool of course.= * Some fast operations for integers: increment, decrement, ... * Manner of compilation is application-dependent. Compilation to a linked= list of function pointers or to byte codes is platform-independent. JIT compilation to native machine instructions is= also an option for ultrafast operation on specific targets. With that taken care of, some fractal parameters that are universal regar= dless of formula: center complex or hyper Center of image Default: Depends on formula. mag real Magnification: 1 will mean the image ha= s a longer dimension of 1 in the fractal space. 10 will mean the larger dimension is 0.= 1, and so forth by reciprocals. Default: depends on formula. rotation real In degrees: image rotation (clockwise).= Default: 0. skew real Skew. Default: 0. maxiter ulong Maximum number of iterations to try. Default: 2048. hyper-flag bool Hypercomplex or not. Affects the nature= of center. Default: false. quat-flag bool Quaternion flag. Mutually exclusive wit= h hyper-flag and with formulas using trig/exp on a complex parameter. Either of these doubles all parameter s= pace dimensions. outer_radius real Radius (not squared) for checking escap= e to infinity if there is an attractor there. Default: depends on formula. inner_radius real Target radius around all finite attract= ors. Default: depends on formula. outer_shape string Formula name for an escape-shape formul= a. Builtins such as "circle", "square", "astroid", "ribbon", ... Default: circle. inner_shape string Same. Determines the shapes of target a= reas around finite attractors or fixed-point-trap. Default: circle. outer_shape_parms various Depends on shape. Might be aspect ratio= of an ellipse, etc. Defaults: depend on shapes. inner_shape_parms various Depends on shape. Might be aspect ratio= of an ellipse, etc. Defaults: depend on shapes. Whatever varies by pixel, if the parameter in question is assigned-to in = the parameter list, this assignment is ignored (the pixel overrides) and a warning generated. Now, the fractal description would be as follows. Here, as variable-lengt= h strings are used there will be no offsets specified. Type 'string' means ASCII, null-terminated. A formula name or parameter name is as above. = parameter-block-marker type qty. description string 1 Description and comments, including linefeeds for line breaks, null terminated as always. Default: A null by itself (empty string) or perhaps computer-generated,= say, date and time written and CPU detected. string 1 formula name Default: Mandelbrot. string 1 convolution of coordinates -- a named convolution formu= la = Default: identity. string any paramater-name =3D value. Values may be in high precisi= on, forcing supporting software to use high precision if any value is (or if the mag is high enough) and non-supporting software to complain or generate fuzzy or imprecise images. Default: defaults. Sets parameters for formula, convolution, escape traps,= and so forth. delimiter = The next stuff is in three optional, mutually-exclusive groups. full-julibrot-flag Makes image an arbitrary Julibrot slice= =2E plane real coefficient list Default: plane is some interesting opblique plane in parameter space. Determines equation of plane through or= igin. Image slices hypercomplex and/or julibr= ot slices or many-dimensional Julia sets. Image center is in full parameter-space and slice plane is through this parallel to plane whose equation is giv= en. OR julia-flag Makes image a Julia set. plane-flag True means a plane follows. plane Slice for vector space of "init". Plane= through origin as usual. Slice through parameter space is parallel and through center. Default is flat in first two real components in vector. OR mandelbrot-flag Makes image an M-set. string 1 Parameter-name: names parameter that va= ries by pixel and determines image center. Center is a vector of that parameter. plane-flag True means a plane follows. plane Slice for parameter space. Plane throug= h origin as usual. Slice through parameter space is parallel and through center. Default is= flat in first two real components in vector. [Now the fractal is specified, independent of coloring schemes or display= resolution. This can be used as a compact parameter file.] algorithm-choice-block-marker string 1 Algorithm type: 1pass, ..., npass (for reasonably large = n), tesseral, guessingn (n is number of passes, 1 is same as using 1pass), boundary, synchronous, diffusio= n. Default: guessing5. real 1 Tolerance for determining how similar pixels are for pur= poses of tesseral and b-trace and s-guess. 0 means must be identical. Default: 0. periodicity real Periodicity checking sensitivity. Orbits that repe= at to within periodicity/mag are a cycle detection. The factor of mag adjust the sensitivit= y automatically for deeper magnification. Default: 1x10^-7, or is there a less conservative = value that gives good results? Better yet, depends on formula. [Now details of algorithm are specified.] image-dimension-block-marker ulong 1 width in pixels Default: 1024 ulong 1 height in pixels Default: 768 [Image is imagined to be a square of side 1/mag centered on center, then truncated from top and bottom or from left and right symmetrically to have the specified proportions.] [Specifies everything needed to batch-generate the data now.] basin-info-block-marker ushort 1 # of basins real 2*number of basins min and max for each basin complex or whatever number of basins Attractors, if there is one = at infinity it is attractor zero and the coordinates are ignored, if fixed-point-trap is an attractor it is number 1 and again the coordinates are ignored. [Specifies "discovered" properties of the fractal.] pixel-data-block-marker record width*height Generated image data type qty. description ushort 1 Basin number. Remember maxiter/periodicity is the last and infinity, if present, the zeroth. ulong 1 Iterations. (Less than maxiter= for periodicity-caught pixels!) ulong 1 Period. (In case periodicity checking caught the pixel. 0 if not found periodic.) real 1 Distance from origin or recip = of distance from finite attractor when caught in a trap. (Recip of distance fro= m last point for fixed-point-trapping.) real 1 Angle to attractor (to origin = for infinity, to previous point for fixed-point-trapping). real 1 Other data, special purpose, f= ixed by formula. real 2 Coordinates of terminal value.= ushort 1 Days byte 1 Hours byte 1 Minutes byte 1 Seconds real 1 Fraction of a second Calculation time ulong 1 Pixels per second averaged [Specifies whole fractal without a coloring.] coloring-data-block-marker record any Color-maps, applied sequentially to attractor basins. type qty. description record 1 or more Color-map. type qty. description real 1 Between 0 and 1 inclusive, specifies a value relative to the min-max range of the value= in the basin. byte 3 red, then green, t= hen blue, between 0 and 255 inclusive. byte 1 0 =3D linear to ne= xt point 1 =3D quadratic 2 =3D cubic interpolation. Default: Something serviceable. Greyscale perhaps. 7-place-function any Functions applied (one per basin) to transfo= rm the raw data into a value. Default: iterations for all basins, except maxiter/periodicity, where it is constant equal to 0. 1-place-function any Functions applied (one per basin) to transfo= rm the output one step further, e.g. for a logmap. The min and max of the final value Default: the identity, i.e. the output equal= s the input. [Here, the color map indexes between 0 and 1 must be nondecreasing. Succe= ssive identical values are allowed to control splines which use neighbor points for interpolation. Quadratic uses prev= ious, current, and next to determine current to next, and cubic uses previous and next-after-next for control points.] [The attracting basins are numbered from 0 up as follows: any formula-specified attractors in given order, then for Julias any discovered attractors in order of encountering their basins left to righ= t, top to bottom. Lastly the color for max-iter. Minima and maxima are determined from the raw data. So the scheme is well-defined.] [The foregoing specifies a fractal without regard to resolution or genera= ting algorithm.] This should be a reasonable first draft of a universal fractal data forma= t, which can have various levels of detail. One should augment it by using LZSS compression at least when storing a w= hole fractal's data. Each of the sections (fractal params, algorithm specification, color specification, raw data, etc.) should be optional and delimited. An omitted section (except the raw data and the "discovered" basin data) is regarded as all values their def= aults (as specified by the formula if necessary -- maybe the formula default, Mandelbrot). An omitted parameter is assumed default. A named parameter not a standard name or specified in a formula (escape radius, convolution, fractal iteration etc= =2E) causes a warning message. As for computed data, if not specified it is computed. The information stored per pixel is enough to use the saved data to quick= ly render using any of the following methods: Solid color in a basin Iterations Atan or decomp (using the angle value) Potential (using iterations and the distance; should work aro= und finite attractors using the provided recip-of-distance!) Real, imag, summ, etc. (using the coordinates z_final) Period (using period value) Distance estimator (using the 'special' field and a special formul= a to put the 'distance' information in that field) And so forth... = = ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: [Re: (fractint) Fractal source code. ] Date: 01 Jun 1999 02:02:42 MDT Phil McRevis wrote: >> Attached below are two source files, which are fairly short. > Neither of which have anything to do with fractint. Paul, please make > sure your posts are relevant before you post... This nastygram was utterly uncalled-for. The list maintainers have made it clear time and again that anything fractal-related is welcome here, if it is civil of course and not a massi= ve binary attachment. Witness a recent flurry of discussion about Flarium, another about Ultra Fractal, several on the merits of freeware versus $$$ware, some on copyrighting fractals, and so forth. Moreover, the article I posted (and the two subsequent ones on related to= pics) may have everything to do with futurte directions in fractint development= , especially as applied to truecolor, 32-bit development, and to future fil= e formats and truecolor coloring mechanisms. Depending on just what the developers choose to do with the source codes = and the file format descriptions and suchlike. The source code demonstrates ways to get passes=3Dg, b, t doing something= useful with truecolor images based on iterations. They also provide a basic M-se= t inner loop for 32-bit calculation as well as a reasonable image-memory-st= orage paradigm for 32-bit development. The file formats (which are to be taken as early drafts and not the Gospe= l) provide a format that can be independent of image formats (and copyrights= ) or worked into PNG; a format that can become some sort of standard across software and machine architectures; and a format that will allow signific= ant experimenting with and tuning of the (true-)colors of a fractal image wit= hout the need to regenerate the image. Now, I am not normally the paranoid type, but I have reason to suspect yo= u issued the above flame not because of my inoffensive posting's content (w= hich you could freely ignore if it did not iterest you) but instead because of= its authorship. If this speculation is true, it does not reflect well upon yo= ur ethical and intellectual integrity that you would allow your publically-p= osted response to an article be influenced chiefly by its origin and not by its= content. Content stands or falls on its own merits without reference to i= ts origin. Even if certain authors (I am not such a one) do produce a large proportion of content that falls on its face with lack of objective merit= , if that same author produces a stunning article of wisdom or meaningfulness = it is not automatically garbage regardless because of that author's past histor= y! It may well be particularly suspect until it is read but then it should stan= d or fall on its own merit once again. I suspect I may know the reason behind this out-of-left-field attack, as = well, and if I am correct it is not entirely your fault. Several years ago, in = my general ethical and rational conducting of my affairs and my verbose supp= ort for others adopting a similar standard of conduct, I ran afoul of an elit= ist clique on the university campus whose agenda was threatened by my ideas. = One of them, an advanced psych student, appears to have concocted a kind of "= meme plague" capable of coercing people into developing an unfounded and irrat= ional antagonism towards anyone named "Paul Derbyshire" in such a subtle manner= as to creep past a person's conscious safeguards against blind acceptance of= propaganda and dogma and rumor. Unfortunately, this led to the clique developing a peculiar cult following of people who were, for all intents = and purposes, not themselves. This cult developed enough social clout to rend= er me a virtual pariah which I actually still am, despite the original clique's= fragmenting and self-destructing as such ill-formed and evil organization= s tend to do. Although the "meme virus" tends to be rejected by the host's conscious reason after a few days to a few months, a lot of damage was do= ne and the "virus" seems to keep reappearing like the yearly flu. As evidence that this "meme virus" is capable of what I claim it does, an= d is not a more ordinary kind of propagandizing, I bring to bear two facts. 1. The content of the propaganda or whatever is the viral carrier may change and the underlying effect remains the same. It seems almost to be transmitted subliminally without the use of specific words. As it can transfer over the net in text-only media, which has been witnessed= to occur, it obviously lurks in hidden patterns or things like tone and word choice as well as the occasional actual, explicit derogatory remark against myself. 2. Persons whose character is demonstrably such that they simply do not blindly believe any propaganda or rumor they hear are still affected. I suspect you have perhaps become infected by some descended variant of i= t yourself. It appears to have spread quite far, carrying with it a vague, unfounded antagonism towards anyone the victim might later meet who happe= ns to carry my name. Don't bother consciously trying to purge it. As far as I h= ave gathered its behavior is totally subliminal and immune to conscious detec= tion or control, like a fog distorting one's perception of a single person. Mi= ght as well rail against a stroke-induced paralysis. However, your occasional negative remarks are not truly your fault if my speculation here is true, and moreover, you will recover in weeks and pro= bably be immune afterwards for months or years. Meanwhile, I shall be much more careful in future when (accidentally or deliberately) crossing swords with someone who has expertise in applied psychology and appears unethical enough in character to use it in such a malicious fashion. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randall Britten" Subject: (fractint) Largest minibrot Date: 01 Jun 1999 11:39:52 +0200 Which is the largest Minibrot (midget) in the Mandelbrot? This one? LargestMinibrot { reset=1960 type=mandel center-mag=-1.76395/-0.000753836/34.36415 params=0/0 } ------------------------- Randall Britten Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fliguer, Miguel" Subject: RE: [Re: (fractint) Fractal source code. ] Date: 01 Jun 1999 09:27:39 -0300 Paul Derbyshire wrote : >>>The list maintainers have made it clear time and again that anything >>>fractal-related is welcome here, if it is civil of course and not a massive >>>binary attachment. >>> [massive text snipped] Not necessarily binary. Paul, the first half of your response does comply with the above, but the rest... Three words : USE PRIVATE EMAIL >>>tend to do. Although the "meme virus" tends to be rejected by the host's >>>conscious reason after a few days to a few months, a lot of damage was done >>>and the "virus" seems to keep reappearing like the yearly flu. >>> [snip] And this ain't VIRUS-L, either ;-) Regards, Miguel Fliguer Buenos Aires, Argentina P.S.: Back to fractint, you once mentioned the 'n' command to get the complex plane coordinates. I can't find it on my v19.6 copy. Is this a v20 feature ? Thanks in advance. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: [Re: (fractint) Fractal source code. ] Date: 01 Jun 1999 11:20:08 -0600 The list's charter has been revised since the last time I looked at it, and indeed is broader than just discussion of fractint. Since I was the one who had the list created on XMission for Tim, I probably joined the list before Tim even had a chance to write the existing charter; mea culpa. -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randall Britten" Subject: RE: (fractint) Re: 1/f scaling noise Date: 01 Jun 1999 23:01:18 +0200 I tried to answer your question, but in doing further reading, I have realised that I understand it less than I thought. I posted the following message on the sci.fractals newsgroup, I will let you know if there is a decent reply: What is fractal noise? What is an example of an algorithm that acurately generates such signals? How does one generate a signal such that its fractal dimension is a predetermined value (e.g. 1.3)? I understand that if the fourier transform of a signal is 1/f^n then the signal "scales" i.e. the fourier transform of the signal "played" faster or slower has the same 1/f^n FT, except that it is "louder/softer". But is the only type of fractal signal one that has an FT of 1/f^n? If so, do all signals with 1/f FT have the same fractal dimension? There is a Freeware fractal music program at the following URL: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/4386/ It has a page describing algorithms, and one of them is a formula for generating an approximate 1/f sequence. http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/4386/algorith.html I know that is not the complete answer you are looking for, but I hope that it helps. ------------------------- Randall Britten -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Barry N Merenoff Sent: Thursday 27 May 1999 15:10 A while ago I sent in two questions about 1/f scaling noise. Does anybody have answers? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: [Re: (fractint) Fractal source code. ] Date: 01 Jun 1999 17:56:49 -0600 Let me clarify what is and is not on topic. Paul's original post that started this thread was fine. The topic is fractint and fractals, and I don't require that all posts be fractint- related. Rich (a.k.a Phil) made an innocent mistake in this regard, which he has acknowledged. I do feel that we don't want a lot of source code here, because it is probably of limited interest, but at this point code is not off topic, so Paul's posting was acceptable. There is a fractint developer's list (fractdev) that is better for source code posting or implementation discussions. This is a pretty quiet list usually. I haven't promoted it much because I imagined originally it would be for serious fractint developers, but enough people have discovered this list I see no reason to keep it a poorly- kept secret. Paul's response to Rich about conspiricies, viruses, etc. was way off topic. Everyone, PLEASE spare the list that kind of thing. If you have to vent, do so via private email. Tim Wegner Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Benno.Schmid@gmx.net Subject: Re: (fractint) Largest minibrot Date: 02 Jun 1999 01:01:52 +0200 At 11:39 01.06.99 +0200, Randall Britten wrote: >Which is the largest Minibrot (midget) in the Mandelbrot? > >This one? > >LargestMinibrot { > reset=1960 type=mandel center-mag=-1.76395/-0.000753836/34.36415 > params=0/0 > } > Sure. And it has the lowest period, too. Speaking of midgets: Jay, how did you get the coordinates for your midget and Misiuriewicz par files? I tried to calculate the roots with Newton's method, but found them only up to period 4 without errors (in Fractint and an own program). But for your p23 midgets, the polynomial would be of 4194303th order! Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thore Berntsen Subject: RE: [Re: (fractint) Fractal source code. ] Date: 02 Jun 1999 08:46:23 +0200 Hi Tim. The developers list seems interesting. Can anyone join, and if yes how? Thore Berntsen Norway -----Original Message----- From: Tim Wegner [SMTP:twegner@phoenix.net] Sent: 2. juni 1999 01:57 To: fractint@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Re: (fractint) Fractal source code. ] Let me clarify what is and is not on topic. Paul's original post that started this thread was fine. The topic is fractint and fractals, and I don't require that all posts be fractint- related. Rich (a.k.a Phil) made an innocent mistake in this regard, which he has acknowledged. I do feel that we don't want a lot of source code here, because it is probably of limited interest, but at this point code is not off topic, so Paul's posting was acceptable. There is a fractint developer's list (fractdev) that is better for source code posting or implementation discussions. This is a pretty quiet list usually. I haven't promoted it much because I imagined originally it would be for serious fractint developers, but enough people have discovered this list I see no reason to keep it a poorly- kept secret. Paul's response to Rich about conspiricies, viruses, etc. was way off topic. Everyone, PLEASE spare the list that kind of thing. If you have to vent, do so via private email. Tim Wegner -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) Re: 1/f Scaling Noise Date: 02 Jun 1999 04:56:03 -0400 Thank you, Randall Britten! Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: (fractint) Some pars Date: 03 Jun 1999 03:27:27 +1200 The consequenes of my most recent bit of dickering... Gothic { ; Colours by Sylvie Gallet reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=SimplePendulumG function=cotan passes=b center-mag=0/0/0.6666667 params=0.5/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 outside=atan periodicity=0 colors=uuteS5<29>O31N20O41N20<10>Q72R82R82S93TA3<14>gQ5hR5iS4<3>mW3nX2nX\ 2nY2<6>rc0rc0rb0<4>pZ1pY1oX2nX2<11>aL4`K4ZI3<2>UG3SG4QF4OF5ME5<2>GC6DB7D\ B7<74>ssrttsttstts<11>vvtwwuwwt<9>wwgwwfwvevud<4>tqZtpYsoXsnVrmUrmT<22>e\ S5uus cyclerange=1/254 } Faberge { ; Colours by Linda Allison reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=SimplePendulumG function=cotan passes=b center-mag=0.250195/1.38778e-016/5.72659/1/90 params=0.5/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 outside=atan periodicity=0 colors=0003eZ<16>2DC2BA2BA<12>111000000000<14>000500500<26>iB3<8>xeKziMy\ fL<7>kF5iB3fA3<8>911500000<12>000000011021<12>3CA3CA3B9<15>000000021<4>3\ CA4FC5JF<10>Fte<14>155012000<15>4zn<2>4pe4lb4h_3dX3`U<8>022<13>4zp<11>3f\ `000 cyclerange=1/254 } PhosphorescentTide { reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=simplependulumg function=cosxx center-mag=-5.55112e-016/-1.11022e-016/0.6666667/2.2889 params=0.5/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 outside=atan passes=b colors=000298<9>11100000000000000000900J00000K009000<102>000000276<7>011\ 011000000021<4>3CA4FC5JF<9>EqcFteEqc<14>012000<15>4zn<2>4pe4lb4h_3dX3`U<\ 8>022<13>4zp<14>3bW3`V3ZU3XS3WR<10>2DC2BA2BA2A9299000 cyclerange=1/254 } I_Dunno_What_it_is { ; Um... a cybernetic Orang-utan? ; Colours by Kerry Mitchell reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=simplependulumg function=cosxx center-mag=-0.490438/1.15415/9.226443/0.9515/34.438/-32.851 params=1.5/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 outside=atan periodicity=0 colors=222642A62A86EA6E82IA2MC2ME6IC6IEAIGEMIEMGAQIAQKEUMEUKAUI6QG6QE2<2\ >aK2aM6YK6YMAYOEaQEaOAeQAeSEiUEiSAiQ6eO6eM2iO2mQ2mS6qU6qS2uU2yW2yY6uW6uY\ Ay_AyaEu_EqYEqWAmUA<2>m_MqaMq_IuaIycIyeMucMueQygQyiUugUqeUqcQmaQmcUiaUe_\ UeYQi_QiYMiWIeUIeWMaUMaSIYQIYSMYUQaWQaYUYWUYYYa_YaaaY_aYaeYciaeiaceeeeeg\ iiiiigeieaecaeaYicYmeYmgaqiaqgYuiYykYymaukaumeyoeyqiuoiqmiqkemie<2>moqqq\ qqomuqmysmyuqusquuuywuyyyuwyquyqsumqumsyiqyeoyemuiouimqikmeimekqaiqagmYe\ mYgqYiuakuamy<2>QgyQeuUguUeqUcmQamQcqMaqM_mIYmI_qIauMcuMeyIcyEayE_uAYuA_\ y6Yy2Wy2Uu6Wu6Uq2Sq2Qm6SmAUmAWqEYq<2>ESeAQeASi6Qi2Oi2Me6Oe6Ma2Ka2IY6KYAM\ YAOaEQaEOYIQYMSYMUaISaIUeIWiMYiMWeQYeQ_iUaiU_eUYaQWaQUYUWYUUUQSUQQQUSQUQ\ MUOIQMIQOMMMMMKIIIIIKMIMQMOQMQUIOUEMUEKQAIQAKU6IU2GU2EQ6GQ6EM2CM2AI6CIAE\ IAGMEIM<2>ECAAAAACE6AE28E26A68A666246 cyclerange=1/254 } Maelstrom { ; Story by Edgar Allen Poe reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=simplependulumg function=cotanh center-mag=-0.56294/0.762463/4.219409 params=1.5/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 outside=atan periodicity=0 colors=000<24>000000222222<2>22822A44C44E44G44I66K66N66P66Q66T88V88X88Z8\ 8X88V88VAATAAQAAQCCPCCN<2>CCNCCNEENEENEENGGNGGNGGPIIPIIPIIPKKP<2>KKPNNPN\ NQNNQNNQPPQPPQPPT<2>QQTQQTTTV<3>TTVTTVTTXTTXVVZVVZVVZVV`XX`XXcXXcXXcZZdZ\ ZdZZgZZg``g``i``i``kcckccmccmccmddoddoddqddqggqggsggsgguiiuiiuiiwiiwkkyk\ kykkzkkzmmzmmzmmzmmzoozoozoozoozqqzqqzqqzqqzsszsszsszsszuuzuuzuuzuuzwwzw\ wzwwzwwzyyz<27>zzzzzzzyzyyzywzwuzuuzsszqqzoozooymmwkkuikugisggqddocdo`cm\ Z`kZ`iXZgVXgTVdTVcQT`PQZNQZKPXKNVIKTGKTEIQCGPCGNAEK8CK6AI4AG48E26E06C04A\ 028028000<32>000 cyclerange=1/254 } frm:SimplePendulumG{ bailout=real(p2)+4 dt=real(p1) z=pixel pi2=Pi+Pi: x=real(z) y=imag(z) z=x+y*dt+flip(y+fn1(pi2*x)*dt) |z|<=bailout} Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JoWeber Subject: (fractint) updated site Date: 02 Jun 1999 19:21:09 -0400 Hi All, today I added a new section to my site called "Friends and their work". You can dl the latest work of Bob Carr ( 43Hcarr - 43Kcarr ) and take a view of the images via thumbnails. You can also dl the latest work of Lee Skinner. --Jo-- http://www.joweber.de Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Earl Simpson" Subject: Re: (fractint) updated site Date: 02 Jun 1999 23:04:17 -0500 Jo, Too often we take too much for granted, and never pause to say "Thank You" to people that make a part of life more enjoyable. Such is the case on my part with respect to your outstanding effort and great website. I have throughly enjoyed downloading and reproducing the images from the pars which other great folks have allowed you to post, as well as your own. Again THANK YOU, and thanks to the people that allow you to post their pars, for all that you do for the rest of us. Earl Simpson Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JoWeber Subject: Re: (fractint) updated site Date: 03 Jun 1999 02:23:30 -0400 Hi Earl, many thanks for your very kind words. --Jo-- http://www.joweber.de Hagen (Germany) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) Some pars Date: 03 Jun 1999 13:06:18 -0400 At 03:27 AM 6/3/1999 +1200, you wrote: >The consequenes of my most recent bit of dickering... I especially liked: Faberge { ; Colours by Linda Allison reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=SimplePendulumG function=cotan passes=b Cheers, davides@pipeline.com ds30@umail.umd.edu Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) Some pars Date: 04 Jun 1999 09:38:14 +1200 At 13:06 03/06/99 -0400, davides wrote: > >I especially liked: > >Faberge { ; Colours by Linda Allison > reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm > formulaname=SimplePendulumG function=cotan passes=b > >Cheers, > You're welcome. Morgan L. Owens Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: (fractint) Worm warning -- this is NOT a HOAX. Date: 05 Jun 1999 08:45:43 MDT To everyone on all of these mailing lists. DO NOT open unsolicited or otherwise suspicious attachments. Not Word files or executables, or Excel= files. If you must, scan them first with antivirus software. Update your antivirus software so it recognizes "Pretty Park". This one spreads much like the Happy99 worm or Melissa. Worse, once insta= lled it allows unauthorized access to one's computer like Netbus or Back Orifi= ce, by talking to the virus author on IRC. I felt it prudent to warn you guys, since two of the lists got dinged wit= h Happy99... Read about it from the source. http://www.msnbc.com/news/276805.asp ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: [Re: (fractint) Worm warning -- this is NOT a HOAX.] Date: 05 Jun 1999 10:51:25 MDT "Tim Wegner" wrote: > OFF TOPIC!!!!!! I don't agree. I think it prudent to warn the list, after seeing the list= get dinged with Happy99 a few months ago. We really don't want a repeat of th= at, especially since this new worm has the capacity to be far more dangerous = than Happy99. (What the devil is the matter with these mail filters?) ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: [Re: (fractint) Worm warning -- this is NOT a HOAX.] Date: 05 Jun 1999 11:55:36 -0600 In article <19990605165125.3115.qmail@nwcst286.netaddress.usa.net>, Paul Derbyshire writes: > I think it prudent to warn the list [...] LOL. If I had a nickel for every time I was "warned" of impending virus doom I'd be a millioinaire. The warning here assumes things like: everyone is running a windows PC, everyone opens executable attachments and runs them automatically, etc., etc. Yes, viruses pose real dangers if you don't treat internet mail with attachments as suspect. But pulling a chicken little every time a new virus comes out doesn't help either. Viruses come and go and it is the responsibility of each user to pay attention to what they are doing or reap the potentially nasty consequences. If you play with fire, you might get burned. Caveat emptor, etc., etc. -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Wilson Subject: (fractint) Off topic???? Date: 05 Jun 1999 11:09:50 -0700 Saturday, June 05, 1999, 3:51:25 AM, Paul wrote: PD> "Tim Wegner" wrote: >> OFF TOPIC!!!!!! I have suspected, for a couple of days, that I am not receiving *all* the mail I should be getting...I certainly didn't see one from Tim. Both Philofractal and Fractint seem to have died to one or two messages per diem. This is correct? PD> (What the devil is the matter with these mail filters?) Is someone else having the same problem? John W. mailto:johnw1@attcanada.net Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: (fractint) Worm warning -- this is NOT a HOAX.] ] Date: 05 Jun 1999 19:40:35 MDT Phil McRevis wrote: > Viruses come and go and it is the responsibility of each user to pay > attention to what they are doing or reap the potentially nasty > consequences. If you play with fire, you might get burned. Caveat > emptor, etc., etc. This thing can spread via mailing lists very easily. And appear to come f= rom a trustworthy person on a trustworthy mailing list. And therefore it is rat= her insidious. Remember the incident with Happy99 on here? We don't want a repeat... Nor do we want to lambast someone for posting a binary attachme= nt in the event they unwittingly got infected and did *not* in fact choose to p= ost an attachment. The guy who got zonked with Happy99 on here got zonked aga= in with some flames for his involuntary posting of it on the list shortly thereafter. It's best that none of us, least of all the list administrator, operate i= n an information vacuum... ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: (fractint) Message lossage? Date: 05 Jun 1999 19:47:31 MDT John Wilson wrote: Saturday, June 05, 1999, 3:51:25 AM, Paul wrote: > PD> "Tim Wegner" wrote: >>> OFF TOPIC!!!!!! > I have suspected, for a couple of days, that I am not receiving *all* > the mail I should be getting...I certainly didn't see one from Tim. > Both Philofractal and Fractint seem to have died to one or two > messages per diem. This is correct? > PD> (What the devil is the matter with these mail filters?) > Is someone else having the same problem? It's starting to look that way. Tim, any idea what's up? ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) Message lossage? Date: 06 Jun 1999 14:34:03 +1200 At 19:47 05/06/99 MDT, you wrote: >John Wilson wrote: >Saturday, June 05, 1999, 3:51:25 AM, Paul wrote: > >> PD> "Tim Wegner" wrote: > >>>> OFF TOPIC!!!!!! > >> I have suspected, for a couple of days, that I am not receiving *all* >> the mail I should be getting...I certainly didn't see one from Tim. >> Both Philofractal and Fractint seem to have died to one or two >> messages per diem. This is correct? > >> PD> (What the devil is the matter with these mail filters?) > >> Is someone else having the same problem? > >It's starting to look that way. Tim, any idea what's up? > Maybe messages are being lost to the "Virus Warning" virus :-) But I also suspect I'm missing messages (I didn't receive Tim's _OFF TOPIC_ post either.) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil McRevis Subject: (fractint) Re: missing messages Date: 05 Jun 1999 21:35:55 -0600 In article <8465.990605@attcanada.net>, John Wilson writes: > I have suspected, for a couple of days, that I am not receiving *all* > the mail I should be getting...I certainly didn't see one from Tim. That's because Tim sent it as email to Paul "Chicken Little" Derbyshire, and Paul felt the need to respond to the list. When the administrator of a list sends you private email that suggests your posts are off topic, you ought to step back and pause for a moment before inflicting more messages on the subscriber base. By the way, the fractint mailing list is archived in xmission, which is why I know that the message in question was not sent to the list. If one ever fears that messages are going to the list and not being received in your emailbox, you can always double check the archives. You can find the archives at -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: [(fractint) Re: missing messages] Date: 05 Jun 1999 21:41:30 MDT Phil McRevis wrote: > That's because Tim sent it as email to Paul "Chicken Little" > Derbyshire, and Paul felt the need to respond to the list. He did? I thought he sent it on the list. It had the list message identif= ier on it. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jncerra@aol.com Subject: (fractint) Some pars Date: 06 Jun 1999 00:04:06 EDT These are some pars of common fractal types that are zoomed and aspected in interesting ways: lorentzoom { ; lorentz good background John Cerra reset=1950 type=lorenz corners=-2.58/2.58/11.06322/16.22322 params=0.02/5/15/1 float=y inside=bof60 colors=00000e0e00eee00e0eeL0eeeLLLLLzLzLLzzzLLzLzzzLzzz } lorentzoom2 { ; lorentz - has perspective John Cerra reset=1950 type=lorenz corners=-0.96/0.96/8.881402/15.90992 params=0.02/5/15/1 float=y inside=bof60 colors=00000e0e00eee00e0eeL0eeeLLLLLzLzLLzzzLLzLzzzLzzz } kamweb { ; zoomed kamtorus John Cerra reset=1950 type=kamtorus corners=-0.266/0.266/-0.29215442/0.29215442 params=2/0.005/1.5/150 float=y inside=bof60 colors=000g`inhv<2>DlLJqGdyiI6V<3>itRPE8VLKaTX } My thanks to the many "fractintonians" who have helped me get a grasp of this great program JOhn J. Cerra http://members.aol.com/jncerra/index.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randall Britten" Subject: (fractint) Animated gifs Date: 09 Jun 1999 19:24:18 +0200 Did you know, Fractint can open animated gifs. It seems to animate them faster than web browsers do. Fractal animations are really cool. I will put up some requests on the wishlist if they are not already there, things like "Fractal Filmer" allows you to do, but better, allowing you to compose an actual animation, rather than having to get hold of some external animation tool. ------------------------- Randall Britten Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: Re: (fractint) Animated gifs Date: 09 Jun 1999 18:15:57 -0700 At 07:24 PM 6/9/99 +0200, Randall Britten wrote: >Did you know, Fractint can open animated gifs. It seems to animate them >faster than web browsers do. Unfortunately, it doesn't repeat. Interesting nonetheless. >Fractal animations are really cool. For those who enjoy animations, I have an animated GIF (200k) of an affine transformation on my site at http://www.hooked.net/room9a.htm Now that I think of it, that would be a really neat way to demonstrate the evolution of a fractal image... (hmmm) maybe later. Aloha, Bud Mark "Bud" Christenson Webmaster/Artist, Bud's Fractal Pages http://www.hooked.net/~mchris/fractals.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: Re: (fractint) Animated gifs - oops! Date: 09 Jun 1999 18:19:33 -0700 Dammit, did it agin (URL) >:-# At 07:24 PM 6/9/99 +0200, Randall Britten wrote: >Did you know, Fractint can open animated gifs. It seems to animate them >faster than web browsers do. Unfortunately, it doesn't repeat. Interesting nonetheless. >Fractal animations are really cool. For those who enjoy animations, I have an animated GIF (200k) of an affine transformation on my site at >>> http://www.hooked.net/~mchris/room9a.htm <<< Now that I think of it, that would be a really neat way to demonstrate the evolution of a fractal image... (hmmm) maybe later. Aloha, Bud Mark "Bud" Christenson Webmaster/Artist, Bud's Fractal Pages http://www.hooked.net/~mchris/fractals.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: (fractint) Contest Time Date: 09 Jun 1999 21:41:44 -0500 Greetings folks, I have accumulated a good number of thoughts on a contest this year. I'm going to post them to the Fractal-Art list tomorrow evening, but I wanted to give everyone a sort of "heads-up" for a couple of reasons: 1. I'd like the discussion to stay pretty much in one place, and since the contest is for all fractal software (not just FractInt or Ultra Fractal) it seems the best place for that is the F-A list; and, 2. Many people might not be subscribed to the F-A list (several unsubbed some time ago) and I didn't want to force them to go to the list archives and catch up on the discussion once we've started. If you're not currently subscribed to the F-A list, you can subscribe by sending a message with nothing but the word "subscribe" in the body of the message to fractal-art-request@icd.com and that will do the trick. I've started to build a rough contest web site for this year. You can sneak a peek here: http://www.fractalus.com/contest99/ It's not linked from the main entrance page on my site because it's not "ready" yet. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) 6 scenic pars Date: 09 Jun 1999 23:48:55 -0400 Here are the original Fractint pars for the 6 images that Sylvie posted today to the Ultra Fractal list. frm:carr2821 {; Modified Sylvie Gallet frm. [101324,3444],1996 ; Converted to if.else by Sylvie Gallet and George Martin 3/97 ; passes=3D1 needs to be used with this PHC formula. pixinv =3D 0.1/pixel p9 =3D 0.9*pixinv imagp1 =3D imag(p1) imagp2 =3D imag(p2) IF (whitesq) z =3D zorig =3D pixel - conj(pixinv) c =3D pixel - flip(pixinv) - conj(0.01*pixinv) - p9 mz =3D |z| ELSE c =3D flip(pixinv) + conj(0.01*pixinv) - pixel - p9 z =3D zorig =3D conj(pixinv) - pixel mz =3D |z| ENDIF bailout =3D 16 iter =3D 0 : IF (iter=3D=3Dp1) z =3D mz =3D 0 c =3D 1.5*zorig^1.2 - p9 ELSEIF (iter=3D=3Dimagp1) z =3D mz =3D 0 c =3D 2.25*conj(zorig) - p9 ELSEIF (iter=3D=3Dp2) z =3D mz =3D 0 c =3D 3.375*flip(zorig) - p9 ELSEIF (iter=3D=3Dimagp2) z =3D mz =3D 0 c =3D 5.0625*flip(zorig) - p9 ENDIF z =3D mz*0.2 + z*z + c mz =3D |z| iter =3D iter + 1 mz <=3D bailout } _2821570 { ; t=3D 0:38:3= 5.16 ; on a P233 at 1600x900 Apr 11, 1999 11:19:52 ; Image Copyright 1999 by Lee H. Skinner ver=3D1961 ; Version 1961 Patchlevel 69 reset=3D1961 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dfractint.frm formulaname=3Dcarr2821 passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-0.09038201447702857/-0.43587405182779220/1366163/0.75 params=3D200/300/400/550 float=3Dy maxiter=3D647 periodicity=3D0 viewwindows=3D4.2/0.563/yes/1600/900 colors=3D000rY0oU0<2>0CI0FM<6>YdAbh8gl6<3>zz0<4>nY0lT0iN0<3>`00<3>mVQpb= Wtj\ awqhzyn<3>zkZygVydR<2>yUF<3>yHLxENxBOx7Qx4R<3>h5Sc5S_6T<3>K6AG65C50<3>3= 3\ 1022055<3>0GG0JJ0MM0P00M24L08TW<3>OXeSYgWZi__lc`n0TplQ0iN0gJ0<2>p80<2>R= 0\ 0P00<4>000023057kbs<3>OKSIFLCAE657000220457<6>JNWMQ_OTc<3>Xcr<9>CFLADH8= A\ E<2>23300000500A<3>05D07D08E<4>EN8HQ7KT6<3>We0<4>JQ5HN6EK7CH89E96AB47A1= 4\ 9000<3>II0MM0RR0WW0<3>hhMlkSooY<2>zynwtosop<8>NhlJgkFgk<3>0ch0ae0Zb<3>2= 2\ R<3>44F45C569335000000400<2>A00C00C00D00000F00<3>I00J00K00<3>O00<4>zg0x= d\ 0u`0 sound=3Dyes/pc } _2821665 { ; t=3D 0:37:2= 7.72 ; on a P233 at 1600x900 Apr 11, 1999 11:20:47 ; Image Copyright 1999 by Lee H. Skinner ver=3D1961 ; Version 1961 Patchlevel 69 reset=3D1961 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dfractint.frm formulaname=3Dcarr2821 passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-0.08992770456599442/-0.43542268193956660/73229.23/0.75 params=3D200/300/400/550 float=3Dy maxiter=3D647 periodicity=3D0 viewwindows=3D4.2/0.563/yes/1600/900 colors=3D000gl6<3>zz0<4>nY0lT0iN0<3>`00<3>mVQpbWtjawqhzyn<3>zkZygVydR<2= >yU\ F<3>yHLxENxBOx7Qx4R<4>c5S_6TW6T<2>K7TG7UC5M83F42763A00G022<3>0DD0GG0JJ0= M\ M0P00M24L08TW<3>OXeSYgWZi<3>lQ0iN0gJ0<2>p80<2>R00P00<4>000023057<3>0451= 4\ 4143<2>131220457<6>JNWMQ_OTc<3>Xcr<9>CFLADH8AE<2>23300000500A<3>05D07D0= 8\ E<4>EN8HQ7KT6<3>We0<4>JQ5HN6EK7CH89E96AB47A149000<3>II0MM0RR0WW0<3>hhMl= k\ SooY<2>zynwtosop<8>NhlJgkFgk<3>0ch0ae0Zb<3>2ER29O33L<2>45C5693350000004= 0\ 0<2>A00C00C00D00000F00<3>I00J00K00<3>O00<3>rZ0zg0xd0<2>oU007A<2>0FM<7>b= h\ 8 sound=3Dyes/pc } _2821685 { ; t=3D 0:16:1= 3.88 ; on a P233 at 1600x900 Apr 11, 1999 11:20:59 ; Image Copyright 1999 by Lee H. Skinner ver=3D1961 ; Version 1961 Patchlevel 69 reset=3D1961 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dfractint.frm formulaname=3Dcarr2821 passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-0.17885355142101680/-0.60159203667394400/38885.02/0.75/-3= 9.9\ 99 params=3D200/300/400/550 float=3Dy maxiter=3D647 periodicity=3D0 viewwindows=3D4.2/0.563/yes/1600/900 colors=3D000C5M83F42763A00G022055088<3>3HI4JL5MN<2>8TW<3>OXeSYgWZi__lc`= ngW\ QlQ0iN0gJ0<2>p80<3>S30M20P78<3>cScgXkkbs<3>OKSIFLCAE657000220<7>1NV1QZ1= T\ b<3>0cr<5>3PZ4NW5KS<2>7DI8AE68A45723300000500A<3>05D07D08E<4>EN8HQ7KT6<= 3\ >We0<4>JQ5HN6EK7CH89E96AB47A149000<3>II0MM0RR0WW0<3>hhMlkSooY<2>zynwtos= o\ p<8>NhlJgkFgk<3>0ch0ae0Zb<3>22R<3>44F45C569335000000400<2>A00C00C00D000= 0\ 0F00<3>I00J00K00<3>O00<3>rZ0zg0xd0<2>oU0<3>_U7WU9SUBOUDJUF<3>bh8gl6lo5<= 2\ >zz0<4>nY0lT0iN0<3>`00<3>mVQpbWtjawqhzyn<3>zkZygVydR<2>yUF<3>yHLxENxBOx= 7\ Qx4R<10>G7U sound=3Dyes/pc } _2821732 { ; t=3D 0:39:1= 1.07 ; on a P233 at 1600x900 Apr 11, 1999 11:21:30 ; Image Copyright 1999 by Lee H. Skinner ver=3D1961 ; Version 1961 Patchlevel 69 reset=3D1961 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dfractint.frm formulaname=3Dcarr2821 passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-0.09284551716413093/-0.43504743584154330/2.009519e+008/0.= 75/\ 4.994/0.01 params=3D200/300/400/550 float=3Dy maxiter=3D647 periodicity= =3D0 viewwindows=3D4.2/0.563/yes/1600/900 colors=3D000xBOx7Qx4R<4>c5S_6TW6T<2>K7TG7UC5M83F42763A00G022<3>0DD0GG0J= J0M\ M0P00M24L08TW<3>OXeSYgWZi__lc`n<3>gJ0<3>W40T00R00P00<2>A00<3>cVgkbseZl<= 3\ >IFLCAE657000220457<6>JNWMQ_OTc<3>Xcr<9>CFLADH8AE<2>23300000500A<3>05D0= 7\ D08E<4>EN8HQ7KT6<3>We0<4>JQ5HN6EK7CH89E96AB47A149000<3>II0MM0RR0WW0<3>h= h\ MlkSooY<2>zynwtosop<8>NhlJgkFgk<3>0ch0ae0Zb<3>22R<3>44F45C5693350000004= 0\ 0<2>A00C00C00D00000F00<3>I00J00K00<3>O00<3>rZ0zg0xd0u`0rY0<3>BJH0FM5JK<= 5\ >YdAbh8gl6<3>zz0<4>nY0lT0iN0<3>`00<3>mVQpbWtjawqhzyn<3>fhhacfX_dRVb<6>x= E\ N sound=3Dyes/pc } _2821749 { ; t=3D 0:37:3= 3.98 ; on a P233 at 1600x900 Apr 11, 1999 11:21:41 ; Image Copyright 1999 by Lee H. Skinner ver=3D1961 ; Version 1961 Patchlevel 69 reset=3D1961 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dfractint.frm formulaname=3Dcarr2821 passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-0.09106568163733537/-0.43575847710116510/1.91681e+007/0.7= 5/-\ 37.499 params=3D200/300/400/550 float=3Dy maxiter=3D647 periodicity=3D0= viewwindows=3D4.2/0.563/yes/1600/900 colors=3D000<3>0BB0DD0GG0JJ0MM<2>6RT8TWCUZ<3>SYgWZi__lc`ngWQlQ0iN0gJ0<2= >p8\ 0<2>W20P00K00<3>000023057<3>JHNOKSIFL<2>000220457<6>JNWMQ_OTc<3>Xcr<9>C= F\ LADH8AE<2>23300000500A<3>05D07D08E<4>EN8HQ7KT6<3>We0<4>JQ5HN6EK7CH89E96= A\ B47A149000<3>II0MM0RR0WW0<3>hhMlkSooY<2>zynwtosop<8>NhlJgkFgk<3>0ch0ae0= Z\ b<3>22R<3>44F45C569335000000400<2>A00C00C00D00000F00<3>I00J00K00<3>O00<= 3\ >rZ0zg0xd0<2>oU0<2>0CI0FM<6>YdAbh8gl6<3>zz0<4>nY0lT0iN0<3>`00<3>mVQpbWt= j\ awqhzyn<3>zkZygVydR<2>yUF<3>yHLxENxBOx7Qx4R<4>c5S_6TW6T<2>K7TG7UC5M83F4= 2\ 763A00G sound=3Dyes/pc } _2821777 { ; t=3D 0:40:5= 3.14 ; on a P233 at 1600x900 Apr 11, 1999 11:22:00 ; Image Copyright 1999 by Lee H. Skinner ver=3D1961 ; Version 1961 Patchlevel 69 reset=3D1961 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dfractint.frm formulaname=3Dcarr2821 passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-0.09106249590870003/-0.43575884532959520/7.886838e+008/0.= 75/\ -37.5 params=3D200/300/400/550 float=3Dy maxiter=3D647 periodicity=3D0 viewwindows=3D4.2/0.563/yes/1600/900 colors=3D000PUd<5>CFLADH8AE<2>23300000500A<3>05D07D08E<3>BK9EN8HQ7KT6NW= 4<2\ >ij1qo0vtg<2>JQ5<3>9E96AB47A149000<3>II0MM0RR0WW0<3>hhMlkSooY<2>zynwtos= o\ p<8>NhlJgkFgk<3>0ch0ae0Zb<3>22R<3>44F45C569335000000400<2>A00C00C00D000= 0\ 0F00<3>I00J00K00<3>O00<3>rZ0zg0xd0<2>oU0<2>0CI0FM<6>YdAbh8gl6<3>zz0<4>n= Y\ 0lT0iN0<3>`00<3>mVQpbWtjawqhzyn<3>zkZygVydR<2>yUF<3>yHLxENxBOx7Qx4R<2>l= 5\ Sh5Sb5S<3>D2T71T00UC5M83F42763A<4>4G63J53M4<3>0X06RT8TW<3>OXeSYgWZi__lc= `\ ngWQlQ0iN0gJ0<2>p80<2>W20P00K00<3>000023057<3>JHNOKSIFL<2>000220457<6>J= N\ WMQ_OTc<3>Xcr<2>RXh sound=3Dyes/pc } Lee Skinner Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JoWeber Subject: (fractint) some pars Date: 12 Jun 1999 17:17:39 -0400 Hi All, some nice images. --Jo-- http://www.joweber.de jo06_01 { ; t=3D 4:21:49.08 = ; on a P233MMX at 1600x1200 Jun 12, 1999 23:09:50 ; Par and Image Copyright 1999 by Jo Weber ; e-mail to JoWeber@compuserve.com reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dfractint.frm formulaname=3Dmandelbrotmix4 function=3Dident passes=3Dt center-mag=3D+0.00003582776617623/+0.00016408568488817/12126.4/1/-37.49= 9 params=3D-500/-500/-1.1/-1/0/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D7200 bailout=3D25 inside=3D0 logmap=3D6 symmetry=3Dnone periodicity=3D10 colors=3D000C5M83F42763A00G022055<2>2DD2FG3HI4JL5MN<2>8TW<2>KWcOXeSYgWZ= i__\ lc`ngWQlQ0iN0gJ0<2>p80<4>M20<6>kbs<7>000220<6>1KR1NV1QZ1Tb1Wf1Zj0`n0cr<= 5\ >3PZ4NW5KS6IP6FL7DI8AE<2>23300000500A<5>08E<7>NW5Q_3Tb2We0Tb1<7>9E96AB4= 7\ A149000<3>II0MM0RR0WW0<3>hhMlkSooYsrcvvhzynwtosop<8>NhlJgkFgkBfj8ej4di0= c\ h0ae0Zb<3>22R<5>569335000000400<2>A00C00C00D00000F00<9>O00<4>zg0<2>rY0o= U\ 0kU2<6>JUF<4>gl6lo5qs3uv2zz0<10>`00<2>jNKmVQpbWtjawqhzyn<8>yUF<7>x4R<10= >\ G7U } jo06_02 { ; t=3D 1:18:04.55 = ; on a P233MMX at 1600x1200 Jun 12, 1999 23:10:15 ; 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Par and Image Copyright 1999 by Jo Weber ; e-mail to JoWeber@compuserve.com reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dfractint.frm formulaname=3Dmandelbrotmix4 function=3Dident passes=3D1 center-mag=3D+0.48421237835487980/+0.85671571875186660/7.929566e+012/0.= 999\ 8/114.991/0.005 params=3D1e-008/800/2e-008/400/100000000/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D1200 bailout=3D25 inside=3D0 logmap=3D51 symmetry=3Dnone periodicity=3D10 colors=3D0009G4<5>OZ7Ra8Ud9XhAZiA<10>zzF<7>0Uz<13>AMOBLLCKK<11>MC7NB5PC= 6<7\ >eLAhMBiODjQF<7>xu7zz5zz4zz3<14>zE6<19>000000<12>b0Ee0Ff5I<10>zzs<7>fV7= c\ Q0`O0<2>SI0<6>P60<2>G00<2>7FO<10>GUcHWeJYf<8>booeqpgqq<3>ouuqvvqrv<5>qU= y\ rPzpOy<8>Z8nX6lXDj<2>X_a<4>zz0<7>z90<12>G30C209206103100003516B2 } jo06_06 { ; t=3D 0:23:54.87 = ; on a P233MMX at 1600x1200 Jun 12, 1999 23:10:52 ; Par and Image Copyright 1999 by Jo Weber ; e-mail to JoWeber@compuserve.com reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dfractint.frm formulaname=3Dmandelbrotmix4 function=3Dident passes=3D1 center-mag=3D+0.48421237835452590/+0.85671571875109320/9.589534e+012/1/= 114\ .999/0.003 params=3D1e-008/800/2e-008/400/100000000/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D1200 bailout=3D25 inside=3D0 logmap=3D51 symmetry=3Dnone periodicity=3D10 colors=3D000cU4<2>zp2<9>_iGXhIXgH<7>P`GRaF<9>OE6NB5PC6<7>eLAhMBiODjQF<7= >xu\ 7zz5zz4zz3<14>zE6<19>000000<12>b0Ee0Ff5I<2>lLS<6>xt4zz0zzIyy_xxq<2>ioZd= l\ SajO<5>IY0<8>E87D58B9E<3>1Rc<5>8bcAdcDed<11>tupxwrzyt<30>Bwu<13>wCM<11>= 7\ 73<7>NPAQSBQRB<4>LJ9KH9JF8JE7<5>H84OF4WN4 } jo06_07 { ; 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t=3D 1:21:33.37 = ; on a P233MMX at 1600x1200 Jun 12, 1999 23:11:28 ; Par and Image Copyright 1999 by Jo Weber ; e-mail to JoWeber@compuserve.com reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dfractint.frm formulaname=3Dmandelbrotmix4 function=3Dident passes=3D1 center-mag=3D+1.54894524500060400/+0.18323164348882140/1.499139e+012/0.= 999\ 9 params=3D-150/1.5/1.5/150/-0.9949/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D1000 bailout=3D= 25 inside=3D0 logmap=3D273 symmetry=3Dxaxis periodicity=3D10 colors=3D000r_FtaDvdByg8yh5yi3yg3<2>ga3<33>301<11>b0Ee0Ff5I<10>zzs<7>fV= 7cQ\ 0`O0<2>SI0<6>P60<2>G00<4>0Qc<7>Adc<7>bnkepliqmmsnptotupxwrzyt<2>zudzsZy= q\ UyoOynJylDxj2wiK<3>vc4ua0ub3<3>vhJviNvjPwkR<2>ypbyqfysiytmzvqzwu<4>yfhy= c\ ex_cxXa<5>wCM<7>H84<12>hMB<14>H84FB3PG3<6>zk0<3>0kk<2>WgD<3>CXF<2>FWEGV= E\ HUEITEJTDKSDLSDMRCOQBORA<2>OK8OH7OE6NB5PC6<7>eLAhMBiOD<3>nVJpXH } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=3Dreal(p1), b=3Dimag(p1), d=3Dreal(p2), f=3Dimag(p2), g=3D1/f, h=3D1/d, j=3D1/(f-b), z=3D(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=3Dreal(p3)+1, l=3Dimag(p3)+100, c=3Dfn1(pixel): z=3Dk*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) New Gallery Date: 12 Jun 1999 17:46:31 -0400 Hi All, I have added a new gallery (#10) with 12 mandel zooms to my site: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm Enjoy! - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BillatNY@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) New Gallery Date: 13 Jun 1999 08:13:11 EDT Sylvie, Fabulous! Really beautiful pictures (as always). BTW- The link to gallery 9 does not seem to be working properly. Bill Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) New Gallery Date: 13 Jun 1999 14:42:06 -0400 Hi Bill, >> Fabulous! Really beautiful pictures (as always). Thank you very much! >> BTW- The link to gallery 9 does not seem to be working properly. It should work but there are often problems with the AOL part of my sit= e. Please try again and let me know if the problem persists. Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Les St Clair" Subject: (fractint) May Par Collection Date: 13 Jun 1999 20:45:28 +0100 Hi folks, A little later than usual, but the May par collection of postings to this mail list is now available at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/fml.htm (just the parameters) or, if you prefer the pars with their original messages left intact you can get this version: http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/crosstrees/fml.htm I've also introduced a "Fractal of the Month" on this page. So drop in if you want to see which one turned out to be my fave for May. The updated formula collection (frac_ml.frm) is available from both sites. cheers, Les Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marie Drozdis" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Gallery Date: 13 Jun 1999 20:28:41 -0700 Sylvie, I, too, wasn't able to view gallery nine. I tried thirty minutes ago. My browser is MSIE5. What wonderful fractals you originate! You are an inspiration to so many of us. Marie :) ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 11:42 AM Hi Bill, >> Fabulous! Really beautiful pictures (as always). Thank you very much! >> BTW- The link to gallery 9 does not seem to be working properly. It should work but there are often problems with the AOL part of my site. Please try again and let me know if the problem persists. Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) New Gallery Date: 14 Jun 1999 12:25:50 -0400 Hi Marie, >> I, too, wasn't able to view gallery nine. I tried thirty minutes ago.= >> My browser is MSIE5. I've re-uploaded page_9_e.htm yesterday evening (French time), so you should be able to see gallery 9. >> What wonderful fractals you originate! You are an inspiration to so >> many of us. Thank you! Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Hershey (Volt Computer)" Subject: RE: (fractint) New Gallery Date: 14 Jun 1999 10:39:48 -0700 This is my favorite part of this list. The links to nifty galleries. Thanks. --Dave. -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, June 12, 1999 2:47 PM Hi All, I have added a new gallery (#10) with 12 mandel zooms to my site: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm Enjoy! - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) New Gallery Date: 14 Jun 1999 15:57:07 -0400 Hi All, It's me, again! I just added three new embossed mandels to my Gallery #10: Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pascal DUCLAUD-LACOSTE" Subject: (fractint) Sylvie Gallet !!!! Date: 14 Jun 1999 23:12:05 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BEB6BB.519DFAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sylvie !!!=20 Mais comment faites - vous cela , !=20 Les images sont irr=E9elles et fascinantes . Les fractales ont = d=E9j=E0 un peu le gout du soufre mais quelle sorci=E8re prodigieuse = =EAtes vous !!! 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Mais comment faites - vous cela , !=20
 
Les images sont irréelles et = fascinantes=20 .   Les fractales ont déjà un peu le gout du = soufre mais=20 quelle sorcière prodigieuse êtes vous !!!
 
 
Unreal and fascinating !!!
 
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------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BEB6BB.519DFAC0-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Largest minibrot Date: 14 Jun 1999 22:27:47 -0700 > From: Benno.Schmid@gmx.net > Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 4:01 PM > Sure. And it has the lowest period, too. > > Speaking of midgets: Jay, how did you get the coordinates for your midget > and Misiuriewicz par files? I tried to calculate the roots with Newton's > method, but found them only up to period 4 without errors (in Fractint and > an own program). But for your p23 midgets, the polynomial would be of > 4194303th order! I use Newton's method, but not in the usual manner. So far the only limitation is the precision of the arithmetic I use - 80 bit floats available with Borland compilers on Intel machines. With Newton's method I find all minibrots through period 15 and all but one complex pair of period 16. When the roots get closer than the resolution of the arithmetic, you are stuck. So with period 23 I can find a great many minibrots but the a 'small majority' will still go unfound. :-) The easiest to find are those around the very outside edge of the filament forest. The hardest seem to be just to the negative side of the ... wait a second, if I knew where the hardest ones are, I'd root them out and they would not be hard. The Newton's method applied to period 8 produces a very nice fractal image. I am debating entering it in the contest, under the heading of Specially Coded Fractals. Since I'm not a Windows progammer, I am stuck with 16 colors low resolution VGA graphics (640x480) from DOS. Oh, never mind, they are not having a Specially Coded Fractals catagory after all. :-( Jay Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: slack Subject: (fractint) Testing Date: 15 Jun 1999 11:07:53 -0600 This is a test. -- Jason Hansen jhansen@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: (fractint) List glitch Date: 17 Jun 1999 15:34:02 -0600 There was a problem with the fractint list the last few days, but it has now been fixed Tim Wegner Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dimosthenis Baikos Subject: (fractint) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 22:16:34 EEST Date: 19 Jun 1999 13:17:19 -0600 Hi all, My name is Dimosthenis Baikos. I am fractal and fractint newcomer. Could anyone tell me how to send my first fractal to your lists (fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com, fractint@lists.xmission.com): I think I mail the .par and .frm (if any) files. Am I right? Thank you very much for your help ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dimosthenis Baikos Subject: (fractint) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 22:16:34 EEST Date: 19 Jun 1999 13:17:10 -0600 Hi all, My name is Dimosthenis Baikos. I am fractal and fractint newcomer. Could anyone tell me how to send my first fractal to your lists (fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com, fractint@lists.xmission.com): I think I mail the .par and .frm (if any) files. Am I right? Thank you very much for your help ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 22:16:34 EEST Date: 19 Jun 1999 19:23:53 -0600 In article <19990619191637.59875.qmail@hotmail.com>, Dimosthenis Baikos writes: > [...] Could > anyone tell me how to send my first fractal to your lists > (fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com, fractint@lists.xmission.com): > > I think I mail the .par and .frm (if any) files. Am I right? Yes, a couple of refinements on that idea: the list prefers the .par/.frm be included as simple text, and not as an attachment. You should comment the .par/.frm with your name, email and copyright date if you wrote it, or the author's name/email if it was written by someone else. You can make the .par with fractint if you don't already have it as a separate saved .par. You can also include a URL to the image that the corresponds to the .par/.frm if you like. Its asked that you not post the image itself, but instead the definition, but this much you already have figured out ;-). -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 22:16:34 EEST Date: 20 Jun 1999 17:00:48 +1200 > >In article <19990619191637.59875.qmail@hotmail.com>, > Dimosthenis Baikos writes: > >> [...] Could >> anyone tell me how to send my first fractal to your lists >> (fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com, fractint@lists.xmission.com): >> >> I think I mail the .par and .frm (if any) files. Am I right? > >Yes, a couple of refinements on that idea: the list prefers the >.par/.frm be included as simple text, and not as an attachment. You >should comment the .par/.frm with your name, email and copyright date >if you wrote it, or the author's name/email if it was written by >someone else. You can make the .par with fractint if you don't >already have it as a separate saved .par. You can also include a URL >to the image that the corresponds to the .par/.frm if you like. Its >asked that you not post the image itself, but instead the definition, >but this much you already have figured out ;-). An example of this process would be the following. Note that the "frm:" that precedes the "HenonJul" formula name is there so that all three items (Saturn, Uranus, and the formula HenonJul) can be cut-and-pasted into the one .par file. If you wish to place the formula in a separate .frm file, the "frm:" should be dropped. Morgan L. Owens Saturn { ; Photo taken by the Cassini probe in 2006 ; Copyright (c) 1999 Morgan L. Owens reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=more.frm formulaname=HenonJul center-mag=0/-0.0500391/0.6666667/1/90 params=2/0.01/8/0 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 periodicity=0 colors=000975<26>xn_<31>222000000<56>000111333<33>zzz<31>222000000<61>00\ 0111332543764 } Uranus { ; Photo taken by some probe some time in the future. ; Copyright (c) 1999 Morgan L. Owens reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=more.frm formulaname=HenonJul center-mag=0/0.125/0.75/1/-70 params=5/1e-005/8/0 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 potential=255/1000/0 periodicity=0 passes=b colors=000<18>448559558<8>667777888<26>EEEFFFFFFFFGFFH<12>IIUIIVIIU<5>KK\ QKKPKKPKKP<27>SSTSSTSSTSSTSSTSSU<68>hhuiiviiu<16>kjpkjpjio<43>CFI000 } frm:HenonJul{;Based on Fractint's "Henon" type. bailout=real(p2) a=real(p1) b=imag(p1) z=pixel: x=real(z) z=1+imag(z)-a*sqr(x)+flip(b*x) |z|<=bailout} Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: (fractint) Just testing Date: 23 Jun 1999 22:10:51 -0700 Just testing! Linda http://www.fractalus.com/gumbycat/gallery1.html (New 05-27-99) http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519/gallery1.html (last update 02-27-99) http://www.toptown.com/innercircle/gumbycat/index.html (last update 04-30-99) Recent Usenet postings: http://www.fractalus.com/gumbycat/abpf.html (last update 05-02-99) Copyright, all rights reserved: http://www.fractalus.com/gumbycat/copyright.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) new computer Date: 25 Jun 1999 21:50:34 -0700 Hi, I am thinking of purchasing a new computer and want to choose one that would be best for running Ultrafractal and Fractint. If you think that this is not of general interest, please e-mail me privately. 1) Is it still important to get a Pentium chip? 2) I followed the discussions about the video cards with some trepidation. I understand that some of the people on the Ultrafractal list are unable to run Fractint. I definitely want to continue to be able to run Fractint and some old DOS games. What do you think the best video card is? Should I buy a system with the video card I want or get the best system at the price and replace the video card? I can download a new driver if needed but am a novice at this and have limited interest in fooling around with compatibility problems. 3) What do you think the best way is to back up data. I have a Syquest Sparq and find it really irritating to use, was thinking of getting a built-in Zip Drive. Any other suggestions are welcome. TIA- Kathy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) new computer Date: 26 Jun 1999 11:05:34 -0500 Kathy, - 1) Is it still important to get a Pentium chip? Yes. Right now one of the best deals going is a Celeron processor, they are cheap and very fast for fractals. AMD K6 still does not have the floating-point performance which is crucial for fractal generation. The K7 may change that--maybe--but right now Pentium-II, -III, and Celerons are good bets. This is more important for UF than for FractInt at the moment, because UF is more optimized for newer processors, but that will likely change with the next release of FractInt. - I understand that some of the people on the Ultrafractal list are - unable to run Fractint. Mainly because FractInt relies on the presence of VESA modes in newer cards to access the higher resolutions. The very newest class of video cards tend not to support VESA modes any more, because they're only important for DOS apps, which are falling by the wayside. However, your games will likely still run because they typically use a 640x480 mode, which is far more widely supported than the higher-resolution modes. - 3) What do you think the best way is to back up data. - I have a Syquest Sparq and find it really irritating to - use, was thinking of getting a built-in Zip Drive. Well, CDs aren't the most convenient thing to use for backing up data, but the discs are fairly durable, they're fairly roomy, and they're dirt-cheap. Even CD-RW discs are fairly cheap. I have a ZIP drive (on several systems, in fact) and to be honest, it doesn't take very many big fractals to fill them up. Especially the kind of detailed fractals I like, which don't compress very well. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Kosokar Subject: (fractint) 3d Mandelbrot? Date: 26 Jun 1999 12:21:21 -0500 Hello all! Do any of you know where I could get a program (preferably a ray tracer) that will make 3d pictures of the Mandelbrot set (both hypercomplex and quaternion)? What I mean is, suppose you took the original Mandel set, and cut out just the black part. Now you rotate it along the Real axis, and create a 3d shape from this (this is called latheing in the raytracers I've seen). This is the actual shape of the Quat fractal in three dimensions, you can see this as you vary the parameters of the quat fractal. If you have written anything like this, or know where I can find it, please let me know!! TIA! Dave Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Terry" Subject: (fractint) House with Bomb Shelter and other ideas Date: 26 Jun 1999 12:21:37 -0700 Here is the web page for the bomb shelter house: http://www.wooly.com/w1/160 Aloha. Terry James Erickson , krietor@stones.com http://www.pacifier.com/~krietor ICQ # 20903556 Earth Embassy Foundation http://www.pacifier.com/~peri Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) new computer Date: 26 Jun 1999 14:34:00 -0700 Kathy... Many of the questions you asked went through my mind when I got my new puter last year. 1. Based on the feedback from this group, I got a Matrox Millenium card and am delighted with it. It not only runs fractint beautifully, but drives my 19" monitor to perfection. 2. As far as getting the best system/price, I'd suggest chatting with the folks at Micron. My first puter was a Micron and their support is outstanding and their prices are most competitive. They may very well be able to accomodate the video card swap for you at a nominal price. My son put together my current system and I know I paid a premium for not going Micron. www.micron.com 3. While there are faster/bigger storage media than zip drives these days, I like mine. I have an internal zip drive hooked to an scsi port on the motherboard. Data transfer is quite fast enough for me. The advantage of a zip drive is that I can take the zip disk to work where we have zip drives as a standard. If you buy a Micron system a zip drive will be included. take care Angela aka wizzle kathy roth wrote: > > Hi, I am thinking of purchasing a new computer > and want to choose one that would be best for > running Ultrafractal and Fractint. If you think > that this is not of general interest, please e-mail > me privately. > 1) Is it still important to get a Pentium chip? > 2) I followed the discussions about the video > cards with some trepidation. I understand that some of > the people on the Ultrafractal list are unable to run > Fractint. I definitely want to continue to be able to run > Fractint and some old DOS games. What do you think > the best video card is? Should I buy a system with > the video card I want or get the best system at the price and > replace the video card? I can download a new driver if needed > but am a novice at this and have limited interest in fooling > around with compatibility problems. > 3) What do you think the best way is to back up data. > I have a Syquest Sparq and find it really irritating to > use, was thinking of getting a built-in Zip Drive. > > Any other suggestions are welcome. TIA- Kathy > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Terry" Subject: (fractint) Fractint on AMD Date: 26 Jun 1999 16:06:44 -0700 My machine is an AMD 5x86. Fractint seems to perform ok as far as I can tell. It's lots of fun. What will a Pentium chip do better? I have read statements from people on this list to the effect that the floating point capability of the Intel chips is a great advantage in running Fractint. I wonder what I am missing out on. Since I have been leaning towards the AMD K-6 for my new computer, and I really like using Fractint, what's the advantage that the Pentium and Celeron chips have? Also, I am experiencing a little difficulty with Fractint. Let me try to describe. I run Fractint and start the color-cycling. I hit pause, or save, and it works, but when I end up at the main menu, and select "return to fractal," or whatever, the program seems to freeze up. I have to start over. I'm not a very experienced user (of Fractint or Windows 95) but I am a very quick learner. I'm not sure I gave enough information for someone to solve my problem on this second question, but I'm sure someone will have an answer for the first. thank you very much. Terry James Erickson , krietor@stones.com http://www.pacifier.com/~krietor Earth Embassy Foundation http://www.pacifier.com/~peri PS I believe I accidentally emailed a URL for a web page about a house with a bomb shelter for sale. Since it has not much to do with fractal art, I apologize for the mistake. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint on AMD Date: 26 Jun 1999 18:40:08 -0500 Terry, - My machine is an AMD 5x86. - Fractint seems to perform ok as far as I can tell. It's lots of fun. - What will a Pentium chip do better? The Pentium (and -II, and -III) FPU typically performs basic arithmetic operations in one cycle, instead of two to four. Furthermore, the processor can move floating-point values between registers in parallel with those arithmetic operations. This makes for enormously improved throughput. Benchmarks I've run show that the Pentium is 2-3 times faster at sustained floating-point operations than an AMD K6, at the same clock speed. This is the case even when both processors run code optimized specifically for them. - I wonder what I am missing out on. Only speed. And for most things, the AMD processors are just fine. Fractals happen to be a unique burden for a processor, though, and Intel x86 processors have a better FPU. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: (fractint) 3 julia pars Date: 26 Jun 1999 21:18:22 -0400 Three julias from the default Mandelbrot. New_Dimension300 { ; (c) David Shanholtzer Jun 26, 1999 t=0:00:17.47 ; P200 MMX 1024x768 ; Another julia reset=1960 type=julia passes=t center-mag=-2.77556e-016/2.22045e-016/0.8130081/1/0/42.197 params=0.3699901320299772/0.3148632294132985 float=y maxiter=7500 inside=maxiter colors=000<26>005K0K<34>lbumdwmdw<38>H3V000F1TE0SA20<10>yhW<22>A20111222\ UUY<29>xxvzzwyyv000<20>111MC7<6>yhW<14>A20000<31>0bi orbitdelay=2 } New_Dimension303 { ; (c) David Shanholtzer Jun 26, 1999 t= 0:05:36.14 ; P200 MMX 1024x768 ; A dusty rose julia spiral reset=1960 type=julia passes=t center-mag=0.163363/0.484302/5.978001/1/0/42.197 params=0.3699901320299772/0.3148632294132985 float=y maxiter=7500 inside=maxiter decomp=200 colors=000YC`<5>lLq<30>G1IE0GF0G<29>jAglBhlBh<31>H1J71DF1HE0G<2>G0IH1JJ1\ K<23>mAmK00<39>w65w65v65<68>E0G<6>VAZ orbitdelay=2 } New_Dimension304 { ; (c) David Shanholtzer Jun 26, 1999 t= 0:06:47.11 ; P200 MMX 1024x768 reset=1960 type=julia passes=t center-mag=0.210974/0.415816/6.441811/1/0/42.196 params=0.3699901320299772/0.3148632294132985 float=y maxiter=7500 inside=maxiter decomp=200 colors=000YC`<5>lLq<30>G1IE0GF0G<29>jAglBhlBh<31>H1J71DF1HE0G<2>G0IH1JJ1\ K<23>mAmK00<39>w65w65v65<68>E0G<6>VAZ } davides@pipeline.com ds30@umail.umd.edu Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) 3d Mandelbrot? Date: 27 Jun 1999 14:40:35 +1200 At 12:21 26/06/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hello all! > >Do any of you know where I could get a program (preferably a ray tracer) >that will make 3d pictures of the Mandelbrot set (both hypercomplex and >quaternion)? > Easy, POV-Ray! http://www.povray.org/ > This is the actual shape of the Quat fractal in three dimensions, > Actually, the Quat fractal is four-dimensional - the three-dimensional appearances are only a tiny slice of the whole thing. But then, in POV-Ray you can write animations and vary the parameters over time. Morgan L. Owens Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint on AMD Date: 26 Jun 1999 20:38:01 -0700 Terry, >My machine is an AMD 5x86. >Fractint seems to perform ok as far as I can tell. It's lots of fun. >What will a Pentium chip do better? >I have read statements from people on this list to the effect that the >floating point capability of the Intel chips is a great advantage in running >Fractint. >I wonder what I am missing out on. Since I have been leaning towards the AMD >K-6 for my new computer, and I really like using Fractint, what's the >advantage that the Pentium and Celeron chips have? I had an AMD K6 166 MHz. I swapped it for a Pentium MMX 233 MHz. I got about a 2.5 increase in performace by the swap. From my experience and what I've read, avoid non-Intel chips if you are concerned about floating point performance. The latest AMD chip may be an exception, but I'm not up on that one. The Celeron is a good bargin. With today's prices, a Celeron or a Pentium II should be had for a pretty good bargin. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Kosokar Subject: Re: (fractint) 3d Mandelbrot? Date: 27 Jun 1999 00:36:38 -0500 Sorry about the misconception of the quat fractal, I was aware of it's 4d nature, but the "solid Mandelbrot" is what I'm interested in. I've used Pov-ray for years, and while I love it, the only fractals it does are juila sets, not the Mandelbrot set formulas. Is there some way to modify it (without learning c++) to do what I'm talking about? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cm.davies" Subject: (fractint) Fractint and capturing colour cycling Date: 27 Jun 1999 20:14:08 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BEC0D9.9D16B5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I wish to capture or output some of the colour cycling features of Fractinit so I can use the animations or avi's in some larger graphic arrangements that involve other clips from other programs. Any ideas anyone Chris Davies 07971 911265 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BEC0D9.9D16B5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BEC0D9.9D16B5A0-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: (fractint) Off Topic: New EMail Address Date: 27 Jun 1999 18:25:18 -0700 Gumbycat is leaving Netcom. Our new email address is: gumbycat@worldnet.att.net Thanks, all! Mike and Linda A Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint and capturing colour cycling Date: 28 Jun 1999 00:57:02 -0600 [Just a short note first: in the future, please just send your message as plain text; no need to duplicate it with a second version in HTML which lots of people on this list won't be able to receive anyway because they don't use MIME capable mailers.] In article <000001bec0d1$3b524da0$943b883e@cm.davies>, "cm.davies" writes: > Hi, I wish to capture or output some of the colour cycling features of > Fractinit so I can use the animations or avi's in some larger graphic > arrangements that involve other clips from other programs. Any ideas anyone I think you can do this sort of animation (color cycling) with some of the titling/video editing packages, but I'm not familiar with them. You might check out web pages for video editing packages like adobe premiere. -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) 3d Mandelbrot? Date: 28 Jun 1999 00:59:34 -0600 In article <37750C11.442EE3D5@mn.mediaone.net>, David Kosokar writes: > What I mean is, suppose you took the original Mandel set, and cut out > just the black part. Now you rotate it along the Real axis, and create a > 3d shape from this (this is called latheing in the raytracers I've > seen). Let me see if I understand what you're asking... you want to make what is essentially a surface of revolution with the profile determined by the M-set? Since M is symmetric around the real line, this is reasonable. You could try rendering M as a bitmap and then generating a point list from the outline of the image, using the point list to define a polyline profile which is in turn used to define a surface of revolution. I'm not up on what raytracers support polyline descriptions of such surfaces, so I can't recommend a particular package. -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) new computer Date: 28 Jun 1999 01:03:19 -0600 In article <37745C19.D03C3E47@well.com>, kathy roth writes: > 3) What do you think the best way is to back up data. > I have a Syquest Sparq and find it really irritating to > use, was thinking of getting a built-in Zip Drive. Backup is a hard question to answer. Since most people don't buy decent backup peripherals, they haven't yet achieved the same economy of scale that disk drives have. A zip drive isn't bad for backup up text files and things like that, but as Damien pointed out a few fat fractals will fill it up. Are you planning on backing up your entire hard drive? HD space is incredibly cheap right now, so you can end up with a huge backup task if you plan on doing full backups and incremental backups on a schedule. (If you consider everything on the HD volatile and only backup select files, then a ZIP is fine.) For the larger (> 2-3 GB) drives, a ZIP requires too many disks to backup the entire thing, even with compression. A JAZ drive is getting closer, but tape seems to be the only thing that can do it conveniently. Do you want to babysit the machine during a full backup waiting around to feed it new media? A tape drive will let you put the media in the drive and start the backup and leave it alone until it completes. An interesting alternative that's becoming viable with faster net connections is contracting for online archival of data for a monthly fee. PC magazine had an article about these within the last year or so, I believe. -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Hershey (Volt Computer)" Subject: RE: (fractint) new computer Date: 28 Jun 1999 10:55:17 -0700 Networking is the approach I use here at work. If I was getting a new machine and I wanted a good quantity of data from the old machine on the new one, I'd probably network the two machines together on a peer-to-peer and simply copy down the files from a share on the old machine. --Dave. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 12:03 AM In article <37745C19.D03C3E47@well.com>, kathy roth writes: > 3) What do you think the best way is to back up data. > I have a Syquest Sparq and find it really irritating to > use, was thinking of getting a built-in Zip Drive. Backup is a hard question to answer. Since most people don't buy decent backup peripherals, they haven't yet achieved the same economy of scale that disk drives have. A zip drive isn't bad for backup up text files and things like that, but as Damien pointed out a few fat fractals will fill it up. Are you planning on backing up your entire hard drive? HD space is incredibly cheap right now, so you can end up with a huge backup task if you plan on doing full backups and incremental backups on a schedule. (If you consider everything on the HD volatile and only backup select files, then a ZIP is fine.) For the larger (> 2-3 GB) drives, a ZIP requires too many disks to backup the entire thing, even with compression. A JAZ drive is getting closer, but tape seems to be the only thing that can do it conveniently. Do you want to babysit the machine during a full backup waiting around to feed it new media? A tape drive will let you put the media in the drive and start the backup and leave it alone until it completes. An interesting alternative that's becoming viable with faster net connections is contracting for online archival of data for a monthly fee. PC magazine had an article about these within the last year or so, I believe. -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ---------------------------------------------------------