From: John Lewis Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6]) Date: 31 Aug 2001 19:53:29 +0100 On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:57:15 -0500, Tim Lavoie wrote: On Fri, Aug= 31, 2001 at 09:47:49AM +0000, Andrew Coppin wrote: >>BTW, is *everyone* on this list from America? Is that why my= posts only ever get answered over night? >>Thanks. Andrew. "Here in Sunny Old England." >Well, I'm in Canada, but just lurk so far. >Tim, in also-sunny Winnipeg I also live in Old England. But having been caught twice to-day= without an umbrella, did the sensible thing and went home for it.= After that the sun came out. John -- John Lewis, jlewis@clara.net on 08/31/2001 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 01-09-01 (Room-102 [6]) Date: 01 Sep 2001 09:18:11 EDT Classic FOTD -- September 01, 2001 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: We've all heard of room-101, the room in a hidden corner of the Ministry of Love, which holds the worst thing in the world. But how many have heard of room-102, which holds the best thing in the world? Like the contents of room-101, the contents of room-102 are different for each individual. Some might find a vision of the Deity. In my case, it might be the ability to visualize four- dimensional objects, (if such an ability is possible). Or it might be one of those mystical experiences that are reported to be so effective at solving the mystery of existence, but which so few experience. Or it might be a real live fractal. Today in room-102 we found a fractal -- the Mandelbrot set enlarged to many times the size of the visible universe. Of course, only an infinitesimal part of the entire set could fit into such a small room, so we found only a midget located near the tip of the negative stem. The midget is invisible however. It clearly lies at the center of the image, but several dozen more in-zooms would be necessary to reveal it, and then it would merely be a series of circles spoiled by moire patterns. Instead of going all the way to the midget, I stopped at the point where the number of converging elements resets from 64 to 8 before once again resuming its bifurcation. This bifurcation is a sign that the invisible midget belongs to the family of midgets of a larger midget rather than to the overall M-set itself. The unusual pattern, with its in-thrusting fingers, is caused by the closeness of the scene to the cut-off point of 2. To see how close it actually is, check the real value of the center coordinates. With a magnitude over 10^73, the image lies well into the range of arbitrary precision, and therefore requires almost 2 hours to render on my machine. It can be seen faster by downloading the 6-rated image from the internet at: or: but first give Paul and Scott a chance to render and post it. The fractal weather today was sunny, muggy and very warm. The temperature of 88F 31C, combined with the high humidity, was too much for the cats, who returned indoors after only a few minutes on the porch. Just after sunset, a very noisy thunder-storm passed over, which sent them scampering for cover behind the sofa. And now, I think I'll scamper on down to the nearby fast-food emporium for a junky breakfast. Then I'll check a few of the stories in the October issue of the 'Analog' sci-fi-and-fact magazine, which has a very interesting editorial. Until I re-appear, take care, and does one ever grow bored with fractals? 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Date: 01 Sep 2001 12:53:56 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C132E5.296D19C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Who cares if you're from the Queen's bloo'y England or commie-Canada or = wherever! I didn't join this list to hear constant babbling about trivial things = like that. Does anyone here talk about Fractals or Chaos theory?? ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C132E5.296D19C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Who cares if you're from the Queen's = bloo'y=20 England or commie-Canada or wherever!
 
I didn't join this list to hear = constant=20 babbling about trivial things like that.
 
Does anyone here talk about Fractals = or Chaos=20 theory??
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C132E5.296D19C0-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) who cares? Date: 01 Sep 2001 12:29:20 -0500 JackOTradez wrote: > > I didn't join this list to hear constant > babbling about trivial things like that. It appeared to me that you joined the list to promote your "1st WEB page" and some "little utility". > > Does anyone here talk about Fractals or > Chaos theory?? You are always welcome to initiate the conversation, or even comment on the daily "talk" that Jim provides on "Fractals". :-) Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Curnow" Subject: (fractint) Thanks Date: 01 Sep 2001 18:17:53 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C13312.6A70F4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to all for the info on Jim's location. One less thing to worry = about. I had a nail in the map somewhere near Chicago. Now where did I put = that claw-hammer! Cheers, Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C13312.6A70F4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks to all for = the info on=20 Jim's location.  One less thing to worry about.
I had a nail in the map = somewhere near=20 Chicago.  Now where did I put that claw-hammer!
Cheers,
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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C13312.6A70F4A0-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Curnow" Subject: Re: (fractint) who cares? Date: 01 Sep 2001 18:34:03 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C13314.AC908740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Crikey! What an unpleasant email. Even the colour shouts. Chris. P.S. I care. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JackOTradez=20 To: fractint@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:53 PM Subject: (fractint) who cares? Who cares if you're from the Queen's bloo'y England or commie-Canada = or wherever! I didn't join this list to hear constant babbling about trivial things = like that. Does anyone here talk about Fractals or Chaos theory?? ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C13314.AC908740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Crikey!  What an = unpleasant=20 email.  Even the colour shouts.
 
Chris.
P.S. I care.
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Who cares if you're from the = Queen's bloo'y=20 England or commie-Canada or wherever!
 
I didn't join this list to = hear constant=20 babbling about trivial things like that.
 
Does anyone here talk about = Fractals or Chaos=20 theory??
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C13314.AC908740-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: Re: (fractint) OK I give up! Date: 01 Sep 2001 13:51:50 -0500 While only a subscriber for 3.5 of the 4+ years Jim has posted, I too appreciate the daily "lift" - both intellectual and emotional - provided by Jim's elegant posts.

A concern - perhaps unique to me - is that this impressive body of work may well go the way of many such on-line labors of love that exist in the erasable world of cyberspace: obscurity, and ultimately, disappearance.

Let's face it, even the best quality high-resolution large-format color prints of such images eventually fade, smear and flake off. And the accompanying narratives, which are as appealing and educational as the images themselves, are likely to become separated.

In contrast, the same image printed on high-quality acid-free paper would last forever (or at least as long as any books last).

In my humble opinion, Jim's thesis "that complicated formulas are not necessary for new and unusual fractals" and his elegant daily demonstations, deserve to be published.

I - for one - would certainly pay the price (~$75) that Publishers tell me such a 1- or 2-Volume compendium would cost. (Heck, the arithmetic is easy: the $.08/page cost of using a color printer to reproduce just 1000 of Jim's >1500 existing images, Pars and Commentaries already exceeds the COGS to produce them in the form of a hardbound book or 2-vol set)

1500 people download Jim's images every day. Commercial publishers tell me that 5000 copies is a typical press run for the first printing of a graphics intensive-book. I'm quite sure that for every person interested enough to have found them and download them from the Web, there would be another 2 who would see the "book with the pretty pictures" in a bookstore (Borders, Barnes& Noble, etc.) let alone via Amazon.com.

So even if it were just another random "coffee-table book" for Xmas, 2001, it would be profitable for a Publisher and for Jim.

That means it's do-able. I know I'd want one. Anyone else out there interested  ?????????
 

D. Freed.

John Lewis wrote:

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 00:15:20 -0500, Paul N. Lee wrote:
Lee <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: (fractint) OK I give
up! Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 00:15:20 -0500 To:
<fractint@lists.xmission.com

[Cut]

For a little history on the FOTD, Jim made a posting on April 12,
1997 to the Fractal-Art List which started the whole thing.  And here
is a portion of that message:

"I'll try to post a different image every day, until I make my point
that complicated formulas are not necessary for new and unusual
fractals."

That first FOTD was the "SnakeTree" formula and PAR.  And it has been
a most wonderous daily affair for all involved over the past 4-1/3
years.

And I would like to second the sentiment in the last paragraph. I
have been enjoying them since I joined this list. Thank you, Jim, and
they guys who publish your efforts on the net.

John
-- John Lewis, jlewis@clara.net on 08/31/2001

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IMHO, AN ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC IDEA. CD burns are an everyday affair. No third parties, no BS overhead, etc, etc.

Now, if we could just get this "Muth" guy on board . . . .

Perhaps it doesn't matter: persistent rumors have suggested  that the "fractal cats" are actually the ones reponsible for the daily posts anyway.

This theory was given some credence recently based on FBI & CIA interviews with two feline- Americans [one d/b/a as "Tippy T. Tabby", the other as "Thomas T. Oversized-Yellow-Orange- One"] at a safe-house in the Washington DC-Baltimore area.

Only time will tail  tell . . . .
 

D. Freed
 
 

"Paul N. Lee" wrote:

bmc1@airmail.net wrote:
>
> ....printed on high-quality acid-free paper
> would last forever (or at least as long as
> any books last).
>
> I - for one - would certainly pay the price....
>
> Anyone else out there interested  ?????????
>

It would be interesting to have a book printed with the first few years
of FOTDs (whatever it would take to make the first volume).  And it
would be nice to see Jim profit from such a venture.  But I do not
believe that 5000 copies would be sold around the world very quickly.

Now something a little simpler, easier and more economical would be to
take the whole FOTD web pages (text and graphics) and create a CD-ROM
which could be accessed whenever.  All of the years could be included on
a single disc with room to spare for a separate area containing the PARs
and FRMs to be used by those programs capable of handling them.  The
cost would be much better on the old pocket book.

Plus, the CD could contain at least two different resolutions for the
Users enjoyment while viewing.    :-)

Sincerely,
P.N.L.
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(No, it's not a part of Germany.. ;-))) home_gm { ; Version 2001 Patchlevel 13 reset=2001 type=ifs ifsfile=home_gm.ifs ifs=home_town center-mag=5.79991/0.501768/1.721194 params=1 maxiter=3000 colors=000BFGBDGBCG000<4>00000000000e0e0z00zzz0Zz0zzzzzLLLLLzLzLLzzzLLzL\ zzzLzzz000555<3>HHHKKKOOO<3>ccchhhmmmssszzz00z<3>z0z<3>z00<3>zz0<3>0z0<3\ >0zz<2>0GzVVz<3>zVz<3>zVV<3>zzV<3>VzV<3>Vzz<2>Vbzhhz<3>zhz<3>zhh<3>zzh<3\ >hzh<3>hzz<2>hlz00S<3>S0S<3>S00<3>SS0<3>0S0<3>0SS<2>07SEES<3>SES<3>SEE<3\ >SSE<3>ESE<3>ESS<2>EHSKKS<2>QKSSKSSKQSKOSKMSKK<2>SQKSSKQSKOSKMSKKSK<2>KS\ QKSSKQSKOSKMS00G<3>G0G<3>G00<3>GG0<3>0G0<3>0GG<2>04G88G<2>E8GG8GG8EG8CG8\ AG88<2>GE8GG8EG8CG8AG88G8<2>8GE8GG8EG8CG8AGBBG<2>FBGGBGGBFGBDGBCGBB<2>GF\ BGGBFGBDGBCGBBGB<3>BGG } home_town { ; generated by ifsspell 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 0.30000 0.20000 0.02457 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 0.10000 0.00000 0.01843 0.00000 -0.20000 0.07353 0.00000 1.10000 0.00000 0.03072 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 1.70000 0.00000 0.02457 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 1.30000 0.80000 0.01843 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 2.50000 0.00000 0.02457 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 2.10000 0.80000 0.01843 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 3.10000 0.20000 0.02457 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 2.90000 0.00000 0.01843 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 3.70000 0.80000 0.01843 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 3.70000 0.00000 0.01843 0.02941 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 3.90000 0.40000 0.01229 0.00000 -0.20000 0.04412 0.00000 3.90000 0.20000 0.01843 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 5.30000 0.20000 0.02457 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 5.10000 0.00000 0.01843 0.00000 0.20000 -0.05882 0.00000 6.30000 1.00000 0.02457 -0.04412 -0.00000 0.00000 -0.20000 6.50000 0.20000 0.01843 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 6.10000 0.20000 0.02457 0.03687 -0.22368 0.07364 0.00000 6.90000 0.00000 0.03440 0.03687 0.22368 -0.07364 0.00000 6.70000 1.00000 0.03440 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 7.60000 0.80000 0.01843 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 7.60000 0.00000 0.01843 0.02941 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 7.80000 0.40000 0.01229 0.00000 -0.20000 0.04412 0.00000 7.80000 0.20000 0.01843 0.00000 -0.20000 0.07353 0.00000 8.60000 0.00000 0.03072 0.02785 0.21540 -0.06964 -0.00000 8.40000 1.00000 0.03133 0.02785 -0.21540 0.06964 -0.00000 9.00000 0.00000 0.03133 0.00000 -0.20000 0.07353 0.00000 9.40000 0.00000 0.03072 0.00000 -0.20000 0.07353 0.00000 9.80000 0.00000 0.03072 0.01471 0.25627 -0.01836 0.00000 9.80000 1.00000 0.00983 -0.01471 0.25627 -0.01836 0.00000 10.00000 0.75000 0.00983 0.01471 0.25627 -0.01836 0.00000 9.80000 0.50000 0.00983 -0.01471 0.25627 -0.01836 0.00000 10.00000 0.25000 0.00983 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 10.40000 0.80000 0.01843 -0.04412 -0.00000 0.00000 -0.20000 11.00000 0.20000 0.01843 0.00000 -0.20000 0.04412 0.00000 10.60000 0.20000 0.01843 0.00000 0.20000 -0.04412 0.00000 10.80000 0.80000 0.01843 0.00000 0.20000 -0.05882 0.00000 11.60000 1.00000 0.02457 -0.04412 -0.00000 0.00000 -0.20000 11.80000 0.20000 0.01843 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 11.40000 0.20000 0.02457 0.00000 -0.20000 0.06250 0.00000 12.20000 0.00000 0.02611 0.03309 0.00000 0.00000 0.15000 12.00000 0.85000 0.01037 0.00000 0.15000 -0.02574 0.00000 12.45000 1.00000 0.00806 0.02941 0.00000 0.00000 0.15000 12.20000 0.50000 0.00921 0.01636 0.21893 -0.03674 -0.00000 12.20000 0.50000 0.01680 0.05147 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 12.80000 0.80000 0.02150 0.00000 -0.20000 0.04412 0.00000 13.00000 0.20000 0.01843 0.03676 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 12.80000 0.00000 0.01536 0.00000 -0.20000 0.02206 0.00000 13.50000 0.00000 0.00921 0.02941 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 13.10000 0.30000 0.01229 } cheers, Guy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) CD of FOTD's??? Date: 01 Sep 2001 20:51:34 EDT I have been toying with the idea of a FOTD CD for some time. Such a disk would include all the images and the long version of the discussions, which were posted only to the philofractal list. With Tim's permission, I could also include the latest version of the Fractint program. I am set up to burn CD's. The only problem is a lack of time to gather the elements and edit the superfluous material from the discussion files. The coffee-table book is a good idea, but impractical. The number of FOTD's must be near 1600 by this time. I have all the images safely saved, but a few FOTD discussions (35 or so) were lost when I suffered a disk crash a couple years ago. The missing discussions, which I have not yet identified, can probably be supplied by Paul, who I assume has all the discussions on file. If I see any real interest in such a project, I'll certainly have a go at it. A little extra income could buy many treats for the cats, who enjoy fractals but are too lazy to find any of their own. FOTD for September 02 coming in 12 hours. Jim M. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "b.rankin" Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6]) Date: 02 Sep 2001 02:07:49 +0100 Hi. Brian Rankin here.Just tried the formula, but i just get an error message "cannot find file "home_town". Please help. Brian Rankin. Ps. I live in Scotland. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 10:01 PM > At 09:47 31/08/01 +0000, you wrote: > > > >BTW, is *everyone* on this list from America? > > No... I'm living at: N49Deg. 34'12,28"; E006Deg. 9'2,32" .. (No, it's not > a part of Germany.. ;-))) > > > > home_gm { > ; Version 2001 Patchlevel 13 > reset=2001 type=ifs ifsfile=home_gm.ifs ifs=home_town > center-mag=5.79991/0.501768/1.721194 params=1 maxiter=3000 > colors=000BFGBDGBCG000<4>00000000000e0e0z00zzz0Zz0zzzzzLLLLLzLzLLzzzLLzL\ > zzzLzzz000555<3>HHHKKKOOO<3>ccchhhmmmssszzz00z<3>z0z<3>z00<3>zz0<3>0z0<3\ > >0zz<2>0GzVVz<3>zVz<3>zVV<3>zzV<3>VzV<3>Vzz<2>Vbzhhz<3>zhz<3>zhh<3>zzh<3\ > >hzh<3>hzz<2>hlz00S<3>S0S<3>S00<3>SS0<3>0S0<3>0SS<2>07SEES<3>SES<3>SEE<3\ > >SSE<3>ESE<3>ESS<2>EHSKKS<2>QKSSKSSKQSKOSKMSKK<2>SQKSSKQSKOSKMSKKSK<2>KS\ > QKSSKQSKOSKMS00G<3>G0G<3>G00<3>GG0<3>0G0<3>0GG<2>04G88G<2>E8GG8GG8EG8CG8\ > AG88<2>GE8GG8EG8CG8AG88G8<2>8GE8GG8EG8CG8AGBBG<2>FBGGBGGBFGBDGBCGBB<2>GF\ > BGGBFGBDGBCGBBGB<3>BGG > } > > home_town { ; generated by ifsspell > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 0.30000 0.20000 0.02457 > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 0.10000 0.00000 0.01843 > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.07353 0.00000 1.10000 0.00000 0.03072 > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 1.70000 0.00000 0.02457 > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 1.30000 0.80000 0.01843 > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 2.50000 0.00000 0.02457 > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 2.10000 0.80000 0.01843 > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 3.10000 0.20000 0.02457 > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 2.90000 0.00000 0.01843 > > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 3.70000 0.80000 0.01843 > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 3.70000 0.00000 0.01843 > 0.02941 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 3.90000 0.40000 0.01229 > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.04412 0.00000 3.90000 0.20000 0.01843 > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 5.30000 0.20000 0.02457 > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 5.10000 0.00000 0.01843 > > 0.00000 0.20000 -0.05882 0.00000 6.30000 1.00000 0.02457 > -0.04412 -0.00000 0.00000 -0.20000 6.50000 0.20000 0.01843 > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 6.10000 0.20000 0.02457 > > 0.03687 -0.22368 0.07364 0.00000 6.90000 0.00000 0.03440 > 0.03687 0.22368 -0.07364 0.00000 6.70000 1.00000 0.03440 > > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 7.60000 0.80000 0.01843 > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 7.60000 0.00000 0.01843 > 0.02941 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 7.80000 0.40000 0.01229 > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.04412 0.00000 7.80000 0.20000 0.01843 > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.07353 0.00000 8.60000 0.00000 0.03072 > 0.02785 0.21540 -0.06964 -0.00000 8.40000 1.00000 0.03133 > 0.02785 -0.21540 0.06964 -0.00000 9.00000 0.00000 0.03133 > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.07353 0.00000 9.40000 0.00000 0.03072 > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.07353 0.00000 9.80000 0.00000 0.03072 > 0.01471 0.25627 -0.01836 0.00000 9.80000 1.00000 0.00983 > -0.01471 0.25627 -0.01836 0.00000 10.00000 0.75000 0.00983 > 0.01471 0.25627 -0.01836 0.00000 9.80000 0.50000 0.00983 > -0.01471 0.25627 -0.01836 0.00000 10.00000 0.25000 0.00983 > > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 10.40000 0.80000 0.01843 > -0.04412 -0.00000 0.00000 -0.20000 11.00000 0.20000 0.01843 > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.04412 0.00000 10.60000 0.20000 0.01843 > 0.00000 0.20000 -0.04412 0.00000 10.80000 0.80000 0.01843 > > 0.00000 0.20000 -0.05882 0.00000 11.60000 1.00000 0.02457 > -0.04412 -0.00000 0.00000 -0.20000 11.80000 0.20000 0.01843 > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 11.40000 0.20000 0.02457 > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.06250 0.00000 12.20000 0.00000 0.02611 > 0.03309 0.00000 0.00000 0.15000 12.00000 0.85000 0.01037 > 0.00000 0.15000 -0.02574 0.00000 12.45000 1.00000 0.00806 > 0.02941 0.00000 0.00000 0.15000 12.20000 0.50000 0.00921 > 0.01636 0.21893 -0.03674 -0.00000 12.20000 0.50000 0.01680 > > 0.05147 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 12.80000 0.80000 0.02150 > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.04412 0.00000 13.00000 0.20000 0.01843 > 0.03676 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 12.80000 0.00000 0.01536 > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.02206 0.00000 13.50000 0.00000 0.00921 > 0.02941 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 13.10000 0.30000 0.01229 > > } > > > > > > cheers, > > > Guy > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4]) Date: 01 Sep 2001 22:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Classic FOTD -- September 02, 2001 (Rating 4) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Yes, I realize that it's a 4-1/2 hour image, but the devil made me do it. I wrote in yesterday's discussion that the as-yet invisible midget at the center was probably nothing more than circles ruined by moire patterns. Today I had to check to see if I was right. As the rating of 4 shows, my suspicions were correct. Everything close to the midget is indeed an un-resolved mess. A log color palette would have cleared up a lot of the mess near the midget, which could use another thousand or so iterations. But when I tried the log palette, the area close to the midget became totally flat and featureless. Enjoying chaos a bit more than featurelessness, I decided to use the linear color palette. The name "Land of Sunflowers" is more of a play on words than an accurate description, though the resemblance to an actual sunflower is reasonably apparent. The circular character of the features surrounding the midget is one of the greatest flaws with very deep midgets -- by the time the midgets actually become visible, they all look the same. The parameter file is attached for reference purposes. It can be run, but only the foolhardy would attempt to do so. The only practical way of viewing the image is to give Paul and Scott a few hours to render and post it, and then pick it up from either of their web sites. The URL's of the FOTD web sites are: and: After the big electrical storm last evening, the weather turned cooler and much less humid today. The partly cloudy skies and temperature of 84F 29C were appreciated by the fractal cats, who finally came out from behind the sofa. It's now time to enjoy the evening by settling into my favorite chair and watching the junkiest old sci-fi movie I can dredge up. The full philofractal version of today's discussion will appear on the philofractal list in 12 hours or so. Until next FOTD, take care, and don't get duplicated. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Land_of_Sunflowers { ; time=4:28:50.04--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=mandel passes=1 center-mag=-1.999999999999999999996865044960966725\ 05484407146437815168087706028311682344277839840136\ 997/1.57680725332301941458543024690013807406059312\ 31415e-41/1.169046e+084/1/-130 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=3600 inside=0 colors=000kjBh_CeTEbMF_FGX8HX8HW8HM8HW7HW7HW7GW7GW\ 6GW6GW6GW6GbxkDJ_DJcDJgDTVDaJIdONgTSiXXla`ne`md`ld\ tkiupjvtknqlfomdmnblnajn_inYhoXfoVeoUdoSbpQazP_pNZ\ pLYqKWqIVqHUqITrJSrKSsLRsMRt8McALbBLaCL`DL`FL_GLZH\ LYILYNJaRIeVHhZFlbEofDsjCveDo`EhWFaRGVNHOKFWIDcGBk\ E9sC7zGMXJ`4Mb6Od7Qf9ThAVjCXlDecFmVGuNHnOMgPR`QWVQ\ _RPcNPgJOjGOnCNq8Nu5Nx4Kf3HQ2E9FNQSWfTIRT5CtaNgWVW\ RbJMj7HqPDveAzgCuhEpiGkjIgkKblMYmOUrP_wQduOdsNdqMd\ pLdnKdlJdjIdiHddOZ_UTV_OQeILkDGq7Bw29x0HVCO1NRBSUL\ WXV__dcbngRfWGZK5R9jluhksgkrfkqekpdjncjmbjlajkZZWQ\ ZHOJTN3dMBfMIhLPjLWkLbmKioKpqKwrIfDCUP7H_4D_gYS_eN\ SzITlKTlMUmOUlQVlSVlUWlWWlYWlZXhYYeYZbY_ZY`WXaTXbQ\ XiR`nMXkPZhR_eTabWb_YdX_eUafXYa_UYaQTdMPgIKiFGiGEi\ HCiJAiK8zM6iN4iO3hN5gM7fL8eLAdKBdJDcIFbIGA7HA7HW8H\ _FMZFMZFMZFLZELZELZELOGlMGoLGrJGuIGxNHnRHeWIX_IOdJ\ FhJ6jQ7kW7ma7nl8ps8qz8nrA } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Traynor Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6]) Date: 01 Sep 2001 22:18:10 -0400 Brian, > Just tried the formula, but i just get an error message > "cannot find file "home_town". > Please help. It had been a while since I'd generated an ifs par, so I had the same probem. Fixed by copying the stuff in "home_town { ; generated by ifsspell ..." into a text file named "home_gm.ifs" in my \fractint\ifs\ directory. Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Guy Marson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 10:01 PM > Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6]) > > > At 09:47 31/08/01 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > >BTW, is *everyone* on this list from America? > > > > No... I'm living at: N49Deg. 34'12,28"; E006Deg. 9'2,32" .. (No, it's not > > a part of Germany.. ;-))) > > > > > > > > home_gm { > > ; Version 2001 Patchlevel 13 > > reset=2001 type=ifs ifsfile=home_gm.ifs ifs=home_town > > center-mag=5.79991/0.501768/1.721194 params=1 maxiter=3000 > > > colors=000BFGBDGBCG000<4>00000000000e0e0z00zzz0Zz0zzzzzLLLLLzLzLLzzzLLzL\ > > > zzzLzzz000555<3>HHHKKKOOO<3>ccchhhmmmssszzz00z<3>z0z<3>z00<3>zz0<3>0z0<3\ > > > >0zz<2>0GzVVz<3>zVz<3>zVV<3>zzV<3>VzV<3>Vzz<2>Vbzhhz<3>zhz<3>zhh<3>zzh<3\ > > > >hzh<3>hzz<2>hlz00S<3>S0S<3>S00<3>SS0<3>0S0<3>0SS<2>07SEES<3>SES<3>SEE<3\ > > > >SSE<3>ESE<3>ESS<2>EHSKKS<2>QKSSKSSKQSKOSKMSKK<2>SQKSSKQSKOSKMSKKSK<2>KS\ > > > QKSSKQSKOSKMS00G<3>G0G<3>G00<3>GG0<3>0G0<3>0GG<2>04G88G<2>E8GG8GG8EG8CG8\ > > > AG88<2>GE8GG8EG8CG8AG88G8<2>8GE8GG8EG8CG8AGBBG<2>FBGGBGGBFGBDGBCGBB<2>GF\ > > BGGBFGBDGBCGBBGB<3>BGG > > } > > > > home_town { ; generated by ifsspell > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 0.30000 0.20000 0.02457 > > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 0.10000 0.00000 0.01843 > > > > 0.00000 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> > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > Guy > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Traynor Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4]) Date: 01 Sep 2001 22:27:54 -0400 Jim, > The parameter file is attached for reference purposes. It can > be run, but only the foolhardy would attempt to do so. Nah. After doing the last one at 1600x1200, why would I be shy of generating this one? Images like this remind me of the good old days. Mike Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 01-09-01 (Room-102 [6]) Date: 02 Sep 2001 10:10:56 +0200 At 09:18 01/09/01 EDT, you wrote: > >Room-102 { ; time=1:45:19.72--SF5 on a P200 > reset=2001 type=mandel passes=1 > center-mag=-1.999999999999999999996865044960966725\ > 05484407146437815168087706028311682344271/1.576807\ > 2533230194145854302469001380714e-41/7.380952e+073 > params=0/0 float=y maxiter=900 inside=0 > colors=000TKpWGpZJkaMfcPbfSYiVTkYPi`RgcSefTdiUblW`\ > oXZrYYuZWn`UgaT`bRUcPNeOGfM9gL2hPAjSIlVQnYYpbXegWV\ > lVKpUAqTFrSJsRNsQRtPVuOZuObqS`mV_jYYf`XbcV_fUWiSTl\ > RkiFjaCiV9hN6gG3g90dN2a_4_l5`_M`Na`Bq8zC9tBAoAAiAB\ > d9B_9EXAHUAKRAMOAPLASIAUGAPKBKOBFSCAWC5_C2W80T42_A\ > 4fF6mL7sQerXNbV4NUFCgQ2teEacGbbIbaKb`Mb`urcpsekthg\ > ujbvlYwoUxsOwqPyZHfeJmlKtebog_qiYrkWtlUunRvpPxrNyT\ > 47fDZ7O34InUKt3qxCkyLfyU`ybWzkQzjpEo`budeWbSFLxOq8\ > TlGYgOabWfZcjUkoPsN8_SAcXCgaEkeGojIsoKwb3pe6rg9sjB\ > ulEvoGxqJyR1GZ6SeBclGoHXIOVQUTX`RdfPkmNsMjKRfQVcVZ\ > ``bYegUjkRpoOuk`mnVrqQv2E6TIZaNqfMtjMvoLxfgXk_foSp\ > IGu`Jx6WzJTzVQzgNzGt5QkK_bYiUlPPAwy9vpKuhVt`esTpZ_\ > 1iSW8ScIQhSPm`NqjMvEJ0SKLeLeBV0KTDTRQaPajNnhAFkDPm\ > FZoHgqJq_5zc9zgCzkFzoIztsyslzsezsZzsSzYB1bDEfFQkHb\ > oJnYs3blFfeRkZboSniWonQuVN_ZMcbMgeMk9cg8Vh8Mi8Dj5R\ > m3cp1pr5kq9fqDbqHYqLTpPPp > } > Super! But I can't go into the 'image coordinates' ('z' screen then 'F6') in order to manually change the center-mag values.. Why? cheers, Guy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6]) Date: 02 Sep 2001 10:23:24 +0200 At 22:18 01/09/01 -0400, you wrote: >Brian, > > >> Just tried the formula, but i just get an error message >> "cannot find file "home_town". >> Please help. > >It had been a while since I'd generated an ifs par, so I had the >same probem. Fixed by copying the stuff in "home_town { ; generated by >ifsspell ..." into a text file named "home_gm.ifs" in my \fractint\ifs\ >directory. > >Mike > > that's right! Sorry, I forgot to explain the way to make a .ifs running. Thanks, Mike! Cheers, Guy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) CD of FOTD's??? Date: 02 Sep 2001 03:46:12 -0500 JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > > ...the long version of the discussions, > which were posted only to the philofractal > list. These are the same ones that get used for the FOTD web pages I create. I believe that Scott uses the shorter discussion version from the FractInt List. > > With Tim's permission, I could also include > the latest version of the Fractint program. I had thought of that as well, but wondered about legal ramifications of selling a CD with a FREEWARE product on it. I do know that other CDs I have bought include such free programs in a separate directory, but still not sure about how many people involved with FractInt would need to be contacted for their permission. > > ....and edit the superfluous material from > the discussion files. Personally, I think some of those "extras" are what make the FOTDs very interesting, and down to earth (so to speak). > > The number of FOTD's must be near 1600.... About 1,550 and growing. :-) > > but a few FOTD discussions (35 or so) were > lost.... .....can probably be supplied > by Paul, who I assume has all the discussions > on file. Yep, no problems there. Starting with the Fractal-Art List, to the FractInt List, and on to the PhiloFractal List. > > If I see any real interest in such a project, > I'll certainly have a go at it. That is one reason I suggested using the web pages already established. Everything is put together and pretty much ready to go. It should not take that much "tweaking" to finalize something workable for a CD-ROM. Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "b.rankin" Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6]) Date: 02 Sep 2001 10:53:09 +0100 Thanks Mike. Brian. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 3:18 AM > Brian, > > > > Just tried the formula, but i just get an error message > > "cannot find file "home_town". > > Please help. > > It had been a while since I'd generated an ifs par, so I had the > same probem. Fixed by copying the stuff in "home_town { ; generated by > ifsspell ..." into a text file named "home_gm.ifs" in my \fractint\ifs\ > directory. > > Mike > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Guy Marson" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 10:01 PM > > Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6]) > > > > > At 09:47 31/08/01 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > > > >BTW, is *everyone* on this list from America? > > > > > > No... I'm living at: N49Deg. 34'12,28"; E006Deg. 9'2,32" .. (No, it's not > > > a part of Germany.. ;-))) > > > > > > > > > > > > home_gm { > > > ; Version 2001 Patchlevel 13 > > > reset=2001 type=ifs ifsfile=home_gm.ifs ifs=home_town > > > center-mag=5.79991/0.501768/1.721194 params=1 maxiter=3000 > > > > > colors=000BFGBDGBCG000<4>00000000000e0e0z00zzz0Zz0zzzzzLLLLLzLzLLzzzLLzL\ > > > > > zzzLzzz000555<3>HHHKKKOOO<3>ccchhhmmmssszzz00z<3>z0z<3>z00<3>zz0<3>0z0<3\ > > > > > >0zz<2>0GzVVz<3>zVz<3>zVV<3>zzV<3>VzV<3>Vzz<2>Vbzhhz<3>zhz<3>zhh<3>zzh<3\ > > > > > >hzh<3>hzz<2>hlz00S<3>S0S<3>S00<3>SS0<3>0S0<3>0SS<2>07SEES<3>SES<3>SEE<3\ > > > > > >SSE<3>ESE<3>ESS<2>EHSKKS<2>QKSSKSSKQSKOSKMSKK<2>SQKSSKQSKOSKMSKKSK<2>KS\ > > > > > QKSSKQSKOSKMS00G<3>G0G<3>G00<3>GG0<3>0G0<3>0GG<2>04G88G<2>E8GG8GG8EG8CG8\ > > > > > AG88<2>GE8GG8EG8CG8AG88G8<2>8GE8GG8EG8CG8AGBBG<2>FBGGBGGBFGBDGBCGBB<2>GF\ > > > BGGBFGBDGBCGBBGB<3>BGG > > > } > > > > > > home_town { ; generated by ifsspell > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 0.30000 0.20000 0.02457 > > > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 0.10000 0.00000 0.01843 > > > > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.07353 0.00000 1.10000 0.00000 0.03072 > > > > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 1.70000 0.00000 0.02457 > > > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 1.30000 0.80000 0.01843 > > > > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 2.50000 0.00000 0.02457 > > > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 2.10000 0.80000 0.01843 > > > > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 3.10000 0.20000 0.02457 > > > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 2.90000 0.00000 0.01843 > > > > > > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 3.70000 0.80000 0.01843 > > > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 3.70000 0.00000 0.01843 > > > 0.02941 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 3.90000 0.40000 0.01229 > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.04412 0.00000 3.90000 0.20000 0.01843 > > > > > > > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 5.30000 0.20000 0.02457 > > > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 5.10000 0.00000 0.01843 > > > > > > 0.00000 0.20000 -0.05882 0.00000 6.30000 1.00000 0.02457 > > > -0.04412 -0.00000 0.00000 -0.20000 6.50000 0.20000 0.01843 > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 6.10000 0.20000 0.02457 > > > > > > 0.03687 -0.22368 0.07364 0.00000 6.90000 0.00000 0.03440 > > > 0.03687 0.22368 -0.07364 0.00000 6.70000 1.00000 0.03440 > > > > > > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 7.60000 0.80000 0.01843 > > > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 7.60000 0.00000 0.01843 > > > 0.02941 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 7.80000 0.40000 0.01229 > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.04412 0.00000 7.80000 0.20000 0.01843 > > > > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.07353 0.00000 8.60000 0.00000 0.03072 > > > 0.02785 0.21540 -0.06964 -0.00000 8.40000 1.00000 0.03133 > > > 0.02785 -0.21540 0.06964 -0.00000 9.00000 0.00000 0.03133 > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.07353 0.00000 9.40000 0.00000 0.03072 > > > > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.07353 0.00000 9.80000 0.00000 0.03072 > > > 0.01471 0.25627 -0.01836 0.00000 9.80000 1.00000 0.00983 > > > -0.01471 0.25627 -0.01836 0.00000 10.00000 0.75000 0.00983 > > > 0.01471 0.25627 -0.01836 0.00000 9.80000 0.50000 0.00983 > > > -0.01471 0.25627 -0.01836 0.00000 10.00000 0.25000 0.00983 > > > > > > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 10.40000 0.80000 0.01843 > > > -0.04412 -0.00000 0.00000 -0.20000 11.00000 0.20000 0.01843 > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.04412 0.00000 10.60000 0.20000 0.01843 > > > 0.00000 0.20000 -0.04412 0.00000 10.80000 0.80000 0.01843 > > > > > > 0.00000 0.20000 -0.05882 0.00000 11.60000 1.00000 0.02457 > > > -0.04412 -0.00000 0.00000 -0.20000 11.80000 0.20000 0.01843 > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 11.40000 0.20000 0.02457 > > > > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.06250 0.00000 12.20000 0.00000 0.02611 > > > 0.03309 0.00000 0.00000 0.15000 12.00000 0.85000 0.01037 > > > 0.00000 0.15000 -0.02574 0.00000 12.45000 1.00000 0.00806 > > > 0.02941 0.00000 0.00000 0.15000 12.20000 0.50000 0.00921 > > > 0.01636 0.21893 -0.03674 -0.00000 12.20000 0.50000 0.01680 > > > > > > 0.05147 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 12.80000 0.80000 0.02150 > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.04412 0.00000 13.00000 0.20000 0.01843 > > > 0.03676 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 12.80000 0.00000 0.01536 > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.02206 0.00000 13.50000 0.00000 0.00921 > > > 0.02941 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 13.10000 0.30000 0.01229 > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > > > > Guy > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > > > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > > > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > > > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > > > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Bennett Subject: Re: (fractint) CD of FOTD's??? Date: 02 Sep 2001 03:03:40 -0700 (PDT) I would be most interested in a CD of Fractal of the Day. And would be very happy to pay a reasonable price for it. Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6]) Date: 02 Sep 2001 06:03:07 -0500 Guy Marson wrote: > > I'm living at: N49Deg. 34'12,28"; > E006Deg. 9'2,32" > I think the "LU" in your email address gives your country away. :-) P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4]) Date: 02 Sep 2001 06:15:22 -0500 Jim Muth wrote: > > The parameter file is attached for > reference purposes. It can be run, > but only the foolhardy would attempt > to do so. I am afraid that there are at least a couple more "foolhardy" individuals around. Here are the times it took for at least three of us: C-FOTD 01-09-01 (Room-102 [6]) Jim's P200 at SF5 01:45:19.72 Scott's machine at SF5 03:53:39.68 My old P700 at SF5 00:32:20.19 C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4]) Jim's P200 at SF5 04:28:50.04 Scott's machine at SF5 ? ? My old P700 at SF5 01:20:57.28 Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) Philofractal version of FOTD Date: 02 Sep 2001 08:08:05 EDT The Philofractal version of the FOTD for Sep 02 will be posted in a few hours. It will have extra material. I posted the Fractint version earlier to give Paul and Scott a chance to render the unusually slow image. Jim M. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Osuch" Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 01-09-01 (Room-102 [6]) Date: 02 Sep 2001 07:15:40 -0500 Guy, > But I can't go into the 'image coordinates' ('z' screen then 'F6') in order > to manually change the center-mag values.. Why? That's because of the arbitrary precision math being used. Tim didn't implement the 'F6' option when he added the ap-math routines. This is probably due to having to be able to read arbitrarily large numbers from an arbitrarily large piece of screen real estate and put it into an arbitrarily large buffer so it can be converted into the internal format used by Fractint. But, this is only a guess. Tim would have a better answer. Jonathan Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Les St Clair" Subject: Re: (fractint) OK I give up! Date: 02 Sep 2001 14:06:45 +0100 Dear All, On the subject of Jim's pars, I'm glad to say that I have recently updated the par/frm collections on my website http://www.les.stclair.btinternet.co.uk/fractals/pars.htm All FOTD's since 12th April '97 until 31st Aug.'01 are there. A word of warning, some of Jim's pars use the Developer's version of Fractint, so they won't render properly with the current v.20 There's a link to the Developer's version on the same page as the pars. regards, Les St Clair Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES Date: 02 Sep 2001 09:46:54 -0500 Well, a CD certainly appears do-able, and for a variety of reasons, less complicated than a book at present (although I'll bet you a nickel that upon seing it in CD format, a major publisher will go to Jim and propose putting it in book form - - then maybe all you guys can recover some of your "sweat equity".)

A further benefit of producing Jim's FotD's in CD format now, is that it can be done in such a manner that those who contribute most (JaM, PNL, Scott, Tim) can show all of the rest of us how it is possible - by mutual agreement and cooperation - to deal with the "ownership"/ "licensure" issues which have been previously been "discussed" on this site ad nauseam by the peanut gallery.

The (temporary) loss of the 35 or so files mentioned by PNL is the kind of potential archiving disaster (what if there had been no PNL?) I was talking about yesterday unless the FotD's are committed to some sort of widely-distributable "permanent" medium before we all turn 64.

Congrats to you guys (Jim, Paul, Scott, Tim, others) for being wiling to at least discuss doing all the rest of us such a courtesy, and as always, in your usual professional manner. I find the prospect of having an indexed CD of all 1550 or so of Jim's FotD's, their accompanying PARS and "Commentary by Muth" really exciting.

And perhaps the Fractal Cats - if not given their due as Co-authors - could even be induced (a few extra treats here, a can of tuna there) to contribute their own Introduction with some personal remembrances of the "lean years" when Jim was just a pup himself . . . .
 

D. Freed
 

"Paul N. Lee" wrote:

JimMuth@aol.com wrote:
>
> ...the long version of the discussions,
> which were posted only to the philofractal
> list.

These are the same ones that get used for the FOTD web pages I create.
I believe that Scott uses the shorter discussion version from the
FractInt List.

>
> With Tim's permission, I could also include
> the latest version of the Fractint program.

I had thought of that as well, but wondered about legal ramifications of
selling a CD with a FREEWARE product on it.  I do know that other CDs I
have bought include such free programs in a separate directory, but
still not sure about how many people involved with FractInt would need
to be contacted for their permission.

>
> ....and edit the superfluous material from
> the discussion files.

Personally, I think some of those "extras" are what make the FOTDs very
interesting, and down to earth (so to speak).

>
> The number of FOTD's must be near 1600....

About 1,550 and growing.   :-)

>
> but a few FOTD discussions (35 or so) were
> lost....    .....can probably be supplied
> by Paul, who I assume has all the discussions
> on file.

Yep, no problems there.  Starting with the Fractal-Art List, to the
FractInt List, and on to the PhiloFractal List.

>
> If I see any real interest in such a project,
> I'll certainly have a go at it.

That is one reason I suggested using the web pages already established.
Everything is put together and pretty much ready to go.  It should not
take that much "tweaking" to finalize something workable for a CD-ROM.

Sincerely,
P.N.L.
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Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES Date: 02 Sep 2001 15:01:28 -0500 bmc1@airmail.net wrote: > > ....how it is possible - by mutual agreement > and cooperation - to deal with the "ownership"/ > "licensure" issues which have been previously > been "discussed" on this site.... Even though it is possible, the addition of the FractInt software (I assume both the executable and source) would most likely require some form of statement regarding it's free distribution. And that the sales price of the CD is to cover production and shipping only (pricing would vary considering destination). Any pricing too high, which caused a profit, might not be acceptable by the Stone Soup Group's philosophy. Maybe Tim Wegner will step in and comment on this?? > > (what if there had been no PNL?) Then there would have been someone else who is just as much a packrat. > > I find the prospect of having an indexed CD > of all 1550 or so of Jim's FotD's, their > accompanying PARS and "Commentary by Muth" > really exciting. Another item to think about, are the many FOTDs that were posted on the Usenet Newsgroups (and discussed within the FOTD) that are in the JPEG file format. Many of these were enhanced in some manner to alter the normal GIF output from FractInt, so the question arises, does the CD include the one posted and discussed, or the plain GIF, or maybe both versions?? Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES Date: 02 Sep 2001 15:53:59 -0500 All valid concerns.

I'm just pleased they're beng discussed.

Perhaps (no doubt, in fact), there are Attorneys among the downloaders who - having remained stealthily silent so far - might admit their existence (if only in private to JAM, PNL, et. al.) - provide some informed advise/counsel on the Intellectual Property and other legal issues involved. [After, of course, the principals involved sign the requisite "NonDisclosure Of The Attorney's Identity" Agreements . . . . .]

Freed

"Paul N. Lee" wrote:

bmc1@airmail.net wrote:
>
> ....how it is possible - by mutual agreement
> and cooperation - to deal with the "ownership"/
> "licensure" issues which have been previously
> been "discussed" on this site....

Even though it is possible, the addition of the FractInt software (I
assume both the executable and source) would most likely require some
form of statement regarding it's free distribution.  And that the sales
price of the CD is to cover production and shipping only (pricing would
vary considering destination).

Any pricing too high, which caused a profit, might not be acceptable by
the Stone Soup Group's philosophy.  Maybe Tim Wegner will step in and
comment on this??

>
> (what if there had been no PNL?)

Then there would have been someone else who is just as much a packrat.

>
> I find the prospect of having an indexed CD
> of all 1550 or so of Jim's FotD's, their
> accompanying PARS and "Commentary by Muth"
> really exciting.

Another item to think about, are the many FOTDs that were posted on the
Usenet Newsgroups (and discussed within the FOTD) that are in the JPEG
file format.  Many of these were enhanced in some manner to alter the
normal GIF output from FractInt, so the question arises, does the CD
include the one posted and discussed, or the plain GIF, or maybe both
versions??

Sincerely,
P.N.L.
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Is there any way to run fractint on a machine that doesn't have a VESA board? My rig has a 3dFX PCI board, but I can't seem to run the DOS version of fractint on any setting but F3 or SF1, which doesn't generate very good resolution.
Sincerely,
Kenneth MacLean

"Paul N. Lee" wrote:

Jim Muth wrote:
>
> The parameter file is attached for
> reference purposes.  It can be run,
> but only the foolhardy would attempt
> to do so.

I am afraid that there are at least a couple more "foolhardy"
individuals around.  Here are the times it took for at least three of
us:

C-FOTD 01-09-01 (Room-102 [6])
------------------------------
    Jim's P200 at SF5        01:45:19.72
    Scott's machine at SF5   03:53:39.68
    My old P700 at SF5       00:32:20.19

C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4])
----------------------------------------
    Jim's P200 at SF5        04:28:50.04
    Scott's machine at SF5      ?  ?
    My old P700 at SF5       01:20:57.28

Sincerely,
P.N.L.
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--------------F47C0FF0F23DD7E887B9AA2E-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - Date: 03 Sep 2001 20:09:29 +1200 At 15:01 02/09/2001 -0500, Paul N. Lee wrote: >bmc1@airmail.net wrote: > > > > ....how it is possible - by mutual agreement > > and cooperation - to deal with the "ownership"/ > > "licensure" issues which have been previously > > been "discussed" on this site.... > >Even though it is possible, the addition of the FractInt software (I >assume both the executable and source) would most likely require some >form of statement regarding it's free distribution. And that the sales >price of the CD is to cover production and shipping only (pricing would >vary considering destination). Well, there is one - it's in the Fractint documentation and goes " Fractint is freeware. The copyright is retained by the Stone Soup Group. Fractint may be freely copied and distributed in unmodified form but may not be sold. (A nominal distribution fee may be charged for media and handling by freeware and shareware distributors.) Fractint may be used personally or in a business - if you can do your job better by using Fractint, or using images from it, that's great! It may not be given away with commercial products without explicit permission from the Stone Soup Group. There is no warranty of Fractint's suitability for any purpose, nor any acceptance of liability, express or implied. ********************************************************************** * Contribution policy: Don't want money. Got money. Want admiration. * ********************************************************************** Source code for Fractint is also freely available - see Distribution of Fractint (p. 183). See the FRACTSRC.DOC file included with the source for conditions on use. (In most cases we just want credit.) " I do recall talk some time past about writing something more comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the Mozilla Public or Perl Artistic licenses. Morgan L. Owens "Well, it wasn't likely to be 'sometime future', was it? Though it probably will be." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES Date: 03 Sep 2001 10:11:44 -0600 > > With Tim's permission, I could also include > > the latest version of the Fractint program. > I had thought of that as well, but wondered about legal ramifications of > selling a CD with a FREEWARE product on it.I do know that other CDs I > have bought include such free programs in a separate directory, but > still not sure about how many people involved with FractInt would need > to be contacted for their permission. It's enough to contact me or Jonathan for this sort of permission. A FOTD CD would be nice thing to make available. We have generally allowed Fractint to be included with CDs by artists who have been contributors to the fractint community. There was a time when we had our own publishing projects, and then we had be more careful. These days there is less reason than ever for us to withold this sort of permission, but it is important to ask us first. The main thing is to not misrepresnt the CD as selling the software - it should be clear that fractint itself is free and included on the CD as a convenience. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES Date: 03 Sep 2001 10:11:45 -0600 Morgan wrote: > I do recall talk some time past about writing something more > comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the > Mozilla Public or Perl Artistic licenses. I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do. We'd have to contact all sorts of people we haven't heard from in ten years. While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that one should be careful in these matters. We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of the other licenses. There is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version which is at the end of life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license. At the present time (with the present license) permission should be gotten from us to put fractint on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I said in another message, these days we have little reason to refuse such a request. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the Negative Stem [5]) Date: 03 Sep 2001 11:25:33 EDT Classic FOTD -- September 03, 2001 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: At first glance, today's midget looks as though it is located far out on the negative stem, (not to be called a tail), but it is not. It is actually located on the east branch of the north filament. This is why I named it "Not the Negative Stem". The effect of fingers pointing in toward the midget is not so much a feature found only at the tip of the negative stem as it is a feature of all midgets located near the bailout radius, where everything gets cut off. In today's fractal, which lies in the classic Mandelbrot set, the bailout has been set to 2 instead of the normal 4 or greater. As a result, the part of the set beyond a radius of 1.4142 has been cut off. To find today's scene, I simply zoomed into the point where the filament gets cut off. The picture created by this maneuvering is not great, but it's not terrible either. A perfectly average rating of 5 seems just about right. The magnitude of the image is on the borderline of the range of arbitrary math. The image renders in 10-1/2 minutes using arbitrary math and in only a few seconds with normal double- precision math. But though the normal math saves time, the resulting image has tiny flaws. I recommend patience and arbitrary math. Less patience will be needed if one gives Paul and Scott a chance to render and post the GIF image to their web sites, which are located at: and: The fractal weather today (Sep 2) was once again near perfect, with sunny skies, angel-hair cirrus, and a temperature of 79F 26C. The fractal cats showed their joy by sleeping peacefully through the perfect afternoon. On a philosophical note, I heard today that Steven Hawking, who is strong on AI, has warned that man must find a way to improve his DNA to give him greater intelligence. According to Hawking, we must increase our intelligence to avoid the danger that machines with superior intelligence will take over the world. I must place the danger of being taken over by computers somewhere on my list of things to worry about, probably about two levels below the danger of earth being destroyed by an asteroid. Of course, I already spend so much time with computers that if I were taken over, I would probably notice no difference. Well, it's Labor Day here in the U.S.A., the mis-named holiday on which no one works. Being one who celebrates holidays to the fullest, I'll spend the rest of the day doing absolutely nothing. But I'll return on schedule tomorrow with another FOTD. Until then, take care, and it will be interesting to see whether those intelligent machines ever become intelligent enough to develop the need for a belief in an electronic God. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ NotTheNegativeStem { ; time=0:10:26.20--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=mandel passes=1 center-mag=-0.016773202458501856/1.005477193592856\ 55/1.602593e+013/1/172.563 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=1600 bailout=2 inside=0 logmap=146 colors=000000XRYVXgSaqQgzOlzZixhglre`zcPrf_iij_luR\ ozNcqRYiUSbYMV`HOSFMiELmDJrBIvAGzUFuAMqASmBYhBcwcK\ zKzeCkzchnCerCbwC_zCXzCzzCzzBzyBZtBasAZrAWzATp9Qo9\ Nn9Km9IjGKhNLeUNc`OagPZnRXuSVzTTzZRzcPzhNzmLzsJzxH\ zzFzzzYEz_Gw`IqbKkcLddNZfPTgRNhSbkZYg`SdaN`czlDqgN\ _bWWpGRiPMcXoHzfMtZQoQUizfewddpcdibdb`dW_dPZdK_zJZ\ zJZxJZtIYpIYlIYhxbHm`Nb_TSZZDwtGjlgLB`PJVSQOVYGbzH\ azH`yH`uH_rIZnIZkIYgozHJHzIKwIMtIPqIRmIUjIWgbPz_Rz\ XSvUTrRVoOWkLXggezVaoNhBKbQPMAOOFNQJMSOLTSKVXJX`_U\ zZVzYWvWXrVYnUZjT_fzSazXZz`WwdTshRomOlqLhuIeyGhkTk\ ZenMqzzUxxZrqbligebk_VpUOtTUsT_rTdqQckNceKc_HcUFcP\ `zKawRasXaobbkhbknbltbmzQnrDokFpdGqYHqRIrKJrEIsJIs\ NLtbItSIuWIu`euQYuVQu_`vJYwMWxPTySRzUPzXMz_Kzbzzlt\ zjmzigzh`zgVzfOzePzFNzLMzQKzVJz_zzAqzHhzN_zTRzZuzk\ OztNzqMznLzlKziJzfrzkmzjhzidzh_zgVzfRzeMzdBzzEzvGz\ mTzXQzZNz`KzbMzkQzeTz_XzU } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: (fractint) Resolution of Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES Date: 03 Sep 2001 11:43:04 -0500 Again, will an ATTORNEY????

There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone Soup documentation, and any written agreements between/among the other Parties involved. This is straightforward Contract and Intellectual Property law, interpretable by any Legal generalist

All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and its subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at no charge, of course) by any attorney Board-certified to practice law in any of the 50 states.

Freed

Tim Wegner wrote:

Morgan wrote:

> I do recall talk some time past about writing something more
> comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the > Mozilla Public or Perl
Artistic licenses.

I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do. We'd have to contact all sorts
of people we haven't heard from in ten years.

While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that one should be careful in
these matters.

We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of the other licenses. There
is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version which is at the end of
life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license.

At the present time (with the present license) permission should be gotten from us to put fractint
on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I said in another message,
these days we have little reason to refuse such a request.

Tim

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bmc1@airmail.net wrote:

Again, will one of the stealth ATTORNEYs kindly present him/herself, privately, to one of the Principals [JAM, PNL,Tim, Scott, et al] and provide a little pro bono assistance here ????

There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone Soup documentation, and any written agreements between/among the other Parties involved. This is straightforward Contract and Intellectual Property law, interpretable by any Legal generalist

All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and its subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at no charge, of course) by any attorney Board-certified to practice law in any of the 50 states.

Freed

Tim Wegner wrote:

Morgan wrote:

> I do recall talk some time past about writing something more
> comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the > Mozilla Public or Perl
Artistic licenses.

I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do. We'd have to contact all sorts
of people we haven't heard from in ten years.

While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that one should be careful in
these matters.

We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of the other licenses. There
is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version which is at the end of
life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license.

At the present time (with the present license) permission should be gotten from us to put fractint
on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I said in another message,
these days we have little reason to refuse such a request.

Tim

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     Folks:

     I normally just lurk on this list, but I think that you may be missing something in this discussion.  I doubt that there would be any legal problem with putting the FOTDs on a CD: all you would need is Jim Muth's permission.  If a person who gets the disc doesn't already have fractint (very likely they will) then they can just download it.  You can get it lots of places, and I would think that anyone who was that interested would know how to find it.
     FWIW.

                                                                 Mike Hughes
 

bmc1@airmail.net wrote:

"Amendments" indicated in Italics in Para #1:

bmc1@airmail.net wrote:

Again, will one of the stealth ATTORNEYskindly present him/herself, privately, to one of the Principals [JAM, PNL,Tim, Scott, et al] and provide a little pro bono assistance here ????

There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone Soup documentation, and any written agreements between/among the other Parties involved. This is straightforward Contract and Intellectual Property law, interpretable by any Legal generalist

All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and its subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at no charge, of course) by any attorney Board-certified to practice law in any of the 50 states.

Freed

Tim Wegner wrote:

Morgan wrote:

> I do recall talk some time past about writing something more
> comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the > Mozilla Public or Perl
Artistic licenses.

I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do. We'd have to contact all sorts
of people we haven't heard from in ten years.

While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that one should be careful in
these matters.

We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of the other licenses. There
is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version which is at the end of
life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license.

At the present time (with the present license) permission should be gotten from us to put fractint
on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I said in another message,
these days we have little reason to refuse such a request.

Tim

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Granted all involved are reasonable people and the even that the Stone Soup-associated language quoted by Tim or one of the other guys yesterday is about as mild as it gets, I still think (based on having done legal consulting for ~25yrs) that the several concerns expressed by Web/Fractal/FotD/Fractint-meisters over the last few days are indeed well-founded, and really do deserve review by one of the stealth attorneys out there.

While none of the issues, IMHO, rises to the level of requiring an Alan Dershowitz, they nevertheless deserve consideration, and probably some sort of language to protect the meisters by clarifying that none of Stone Soup's - or anyone else's - toes have been, or are intended to be - stepped on.

Stone Soup-associated language quoted by Tim or one of the other guys the other day creates a Contractual relationship between all users and SSG - again, an extremely mild, open, and reasonable one, but present nonetheless.

Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To needlessly complicate interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and to overcharge for it (there - that should get at least one of them to crawl out).

DBF

Michael Hughes wrote:

 
     Folks:

     I normally just lurk on this list, but I think that you may be missing something in this discussion.  I doubt that there would be any legal problem with putting the FOTDs on a CD: all you would need is Jim Muth's permission.  If a person who gets the disc doesn't already have fractint (very likely they will) then they can just download it.  You can get it lots of places, and I would think that anyone who was that interested would know how to find it.
     FWIW.

                                                                 Mike Hughes
 

bmc1@airmail.net wrote:

"Amendments" indicated in Italics in Para #1:

bmc1@airmail.net wrote:

Again, will one of the stealth ATTORNEYskindlypresent him/herself, privately, to one of the Principals [JAM, PNL,Tim, Scott, et al] and provide a little pro bono assistance here ????

There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone Soup documentation, and any written agreements between/among the other Parties involved. This is straightforward Contract and Intellectual Property law, interpretable by any Legal generalist

All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and its subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at no charge, of course) by any attorney Board-certified to practice law in any of the 50 states.

Freed

Tim Wegner wrote:

Morgan wrote:

> I do recall talk some time past about writing something more
> comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the > Mozilla Public or Perl
Artistic licenses.

I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do. We'd have to contact all sorts
of people we haven't heard from in ten years.

While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that one should be careful in
these matters.

We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of the other licenses. There
is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version which is at the end of
life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license.

At the present time (with the present license) permission should be gotten from us to put fractint
on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I said in another message,
these days we have little reason to refuse such a request.

Tim

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1) who says God [assuming one exists] is a "he"?
2) how many Breach fo Contract lawsuits have you been invplved in?
3) the point (consistently missed despite the sarcasm so obvious I thought it would be impossible to miss) is protection of all concerned (like Tim) - not to:
    a) insult attorneys - or to
    b) live in a dream world.

Because, with virtual 100% certainty, somebody else's atty will in the future crawl out of the woodwork when least expected and proceed to:

    "needlessly complicate interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and to overcharge for it....."

DBF

kelly christiansen wrote:

> Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To >
needlessly complicate
> interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and
> to overcharge for
> it (there - that should get at least one of them to
> crawl out).

He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all
that was needed was for him to be asked, that should
have been the end of the matter. Unless of course it's
a common practice for an attorney to try to force a
case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go?

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Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Date: 03 Sep 2001 23:40:42 -0500 PS, Yes, it is in fact "a common practice for an attorney to try to force a case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go?" - because the alleged "owner" is what is being disputed. DBF kelly christiansen wrote: > > Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To > > needlessly complicate > > interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and > > to overcharge for > > it (there - that should get at least one of them to > > crawl out). > > He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all > that was needed was for him to be asked, that should > have been the end of the matter. Unless of course it's > a common practice for an attorney to try to force a > case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go? > > ===== > ****************************************************************** > To subscribe to fractaltalk, send a message to listar@wru.org with > "subscribe fractaltalk" in the body. > > To unsubscribe from fractaltalk, send a message to listar@wru.org with > "unsubscribe fractaltalk" in the body. > ****************************************************************** > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger > http://im.yahoo.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4]) Date: 03 Sep 2001 20:13:28 -1000 Which 3dFX board do you have? The one we have runs Fractint quite happily at 1024x768 and 1280x1024 ... David gnome@hawaii.rr.com On 2 Sep 01 at 23:02, Ken MacLean wrote: > Paul -- > Is there any way to run fractint on a machine that > doesn't have a VESA board? My rig has a 3dFX PCI board, > but I can't seem to run the DOS version of fractint on > any setting but F3 or SF1, which doesn't generate very > good resolution. Sincerely, Kenneth MacLean Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Date: 04 Sep 2001 19:54:36 +1200 At 20:30 03/09/2001 -0700, kelly christiansen wrote: > > Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To > >needlessly complicate > > interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and > > to overcharge for > > it (there - that should get at least one of them to > > crawl out). > >He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all >that was needed was for him to be asked, that should >have been the end of the matter. Unless of course it's >a common practice for an attorney to try to force a >case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go? > Oh, for Ralf's sake. Anyone would think that "judgement" is a lost art among people. It would be a matter of common courtesy to ask the involved Fractint authors (for one thing, their names are on the product), if that is feasible (putting out some sort of notice that past authors are likely to see?). A new license for a new ground-up rewrite would in some cases be easier - once it's determined which bits of the old code are reused in the new and who wrote them. Tim's bringing up the subject of a new rewrite does cast light on the FOTD-with-Fractint CD: if we're going to put Fractint on the CD, shouldn't we wait until we have a contemporary version of Fractint (with a contemporary license) to put there? Morgan L. Owens "Horsell Common" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: (fractint) Re: [philofractal] C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the Negative Stem Date: 04 Sep 2001 19:57:55 +1200 At 11:25 03/09/2001 -0400, JimMuth@aol.com wrote: >... and it will be interesting to see >whether those intelligent machines ever become intelligent >enough to develop the need for a belief in an electronic God. "And the iron shall lay down with the lamp." Kernel 2.1.19 Sony Revised Version 2.1 Morgan L. Owens "My colleague's laptop has Stephen Hawking's accent." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JackOTradez" Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES Date: 04 Sep 2001 08:24:59 -0400 Folks, maybe I am missing something, but where is the problem putting Fractint on a CD ? I have a dozen or so fractal CD's I've picked up over the years at computer shows. Many of them have Fractint along with other programs as well as fractal *.GIF files and videos. (I always assumed they were legal, perhaps not then?) ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 3:54 AM Commentaries - YES > At 20:30 03/09/2001 -0700, kelly christiansen wrote: > > > Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To > > >needlessly complicate > > > interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and > > > to overcharge for > > > it (there - that should get at least one of them to > > > crawl out). > > > >He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all > >that was needed was for him to be asked, that should > >have been the end of the matter. Unless of course it's > >a common practice for an attorney to try to force a > >case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go? > > > > Oh, for Ralf's sake. Anyone would think that "judgement" is a lost art > among people. > > It would be a matter of common courtesy to ask the involved Fractint > authors (for one thing, their names are on the product), if that is > feasible (putting out some sort of notice that past authors are likely to > see?). > > A new license for a new ground-up rewrite would in some cases be easier - > once it's determined which bits of the old code are reused in the new and > who wrote them. > > Tim's bringing up the subject of a new rewrite does cast light on the > FOTD-with-Fractint CD: if we're going to put Fractint on the CD, shouldn't > we wait until we have a contemporary version of Fractint (with a > contemporary license) to put there? > > > > Morgan L. Owens > "Horsell Common" > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 04-09-01 (Not in the M-set [7]) Date: 04 Sep 2001 10:53:50 EDT Classic FOTD -- September 04, 2001 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Though it appears to be a normal Mandelbrot midget, and the formula draws the classic M-set, today's scene does not lie in the Mandelbrot set, which is why I named the picture "Not in the M-Set". The exact location is indeed on the northeast shore of the north bud, and nothing unusual is apparent in the image's appearance, but look closely at the parameters. Today's image is not a part of the true M-set. It is part of a non-critical perturbed Mandelbrot slice of the 4-D Julibrot. To create today's image I first found a Mandelbrot midget. Then I noted the center coordinates of the midget and entered this value as the C-value of a Julia set. The Julia set appears as a symmetrical filament with round holes scattered along it. The hole at the center of the J-set represents, in fact is actually a slice in a different direction through the Mandelbrot midget of the true M-set. The Z-coordinates of the other holes in the Julia set represent the Z-values of the various perturbed M-sets in which the same midget appears. The larger the hole in the Julia set, the more perfect the corresponding Mandelbrot midget. To set the Z-value of today's image, I found and noted the Z-coordinates of the largest hole other than the one at the center of the Julia set, then applied this value to the true image I had already generated, and recalculated it. Though the resulting image is perturbed, I noticed no difference from the original critical image. I finally accepted the perturbed version as a curiosity. I doubt that I have previously posted today's MandelbrotVE (Variable Escape) formula, which adds the ability to change the escape radius to the ability to set any point in the 4-D Julibrot to the center of the screen. The escape radius of today's image has been set to a point very near where the scene is totally obliterated. Normally, when all Z exponents of a formula are positive, changing the escape radius has very little effect on the appearance of a fractal image, but in the range right before the entire scene goes blank, the escape radius becomes the most important parameter. The unusual coloring effect was further enhanced by setting the outside to instead of the normal . Yes, I realize that this is heresy, but sometimes I enjoy being a heretic. Despite the heresy, I rated the image at an above-average 7. A good feature of the image is its speed. The entire scene renders in under two minutes -- as fast as it can be picked up from Paul's web site at: or Scott's site at: The fractal weather today (Sep 3) was near ideal, with only a few too many clouds spoiling the absolute perfection of a temperature of 79F 26C. The cats, who spent most of the day sleeping on the porch, were unconcerned with the weather. But I am concerned -- about the work that needs to be done. As always, the best way to change waiting work into finished work is to get started. So that's what I'm going to do. Until next FOTD, take care, and it looks as though there will be a FOTD-CD, but quite a bit of work needs to be done before it will be ready. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Not_in_the_M-Set { ; time=0:01:48.97--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=slices.frm formulaname=MandelbrotVE passes=b center-mag=-0.05\ 151080875583096/+0.82413114440372280/3971906/1/-140 params=-0.66228716745/0.62218196242/0/0/1.255/0 float=y maxiter=1600 inside=255 proximity=0.1 outside=fmod colors=0009lGBkKDkNFjRGjUIiYKiaMhdNhhPglRgoTfsUfvV\ euVdtWcsWcrWbrXaqXapX`oY_oYZnZZmZYlZXl_Xk_Wj_Vi`Ui\ `Uh`TgaSfaSebRebQdbPccPbcObcNadN`dM_eL_eKZeKYfJXfI\ XfIWgHVgGUgGUhHVhIVhJViKWiLWiMWiNXjOXjPXjQYkQYkRYk\ SZkTZlUZlV_lW_mX_mY`mZ`mZ`n_an`anaaobbocbodboecpfc\ pgcphdqhdqidqjeqkerlermfrnfsofspgsqgsqgrpfrofrnfrm\ frlerkerjerierhdrgdrfdredrecredrfdrgdrhdridrjerkfs\ lgsmhsnispksqlsrmssnttotuqtvrtwstxttyutzvryuqwsouq\ nsolqnkolimjhkhgigegedecbcaaa___ZZYXXWVWUUVRUTPTSL\ SQIRPFQNDQMAPK8OJ5NH2NI2NJ2NJ3NK3NK3NL4NM4NM4NN5NN\ 5NO5NP6NP6NQ6NQ7NR7NS7NS8NT8NT8NU9NV9NV9NWANWANXAN\ YBNYBNZBNZCN_CN`CN`DNaDNaDN`EM`EM`EL_EL_EK_FKZFJZF\ JZFIYFIYGHYGHXGGXGGXGFWHFWHEWHEVHDVHDVICUICUIBUIBT\ IATJATJ9SJ9SJ8SJ8TI7SJ8SJ9SJ9SJASJBSKBRKCRKDRKDRKE\ RLFRLFQLGQLGQLHQMIQMIQMJPMKPMKPMLPNMPNMPNNONOONPOO\ ROOTOOWOOZNOaNPdOOfPNhWNk } frm:MandelbrotVE {; Jim M. (variable escape radius) z=p1, c=pixel+p2, b=sqr(real(p3)): z=sqr(z)+c, |z| <= b } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken MacLean Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4]) Date: 04 Sep 2001 14:51:18 -0400 David -- you are just the guy I'm looking for! I have a 3dfx Voodoo 3000, bought in summer of 2000, on the CD it says Version 1.4, for Win95, Win98, and NT4. I am running NT4. Paul says that many machines have had problems running fractint in DOS with NT4. If you would be so kind as to tell me how you set yours up and what OS you are running, I'd appreciate it. Any other helpful hints would be welcome. Probably it's NT4 that's the culprit. -Ken David Jones wrote: > Which 3dFX board do you have? The one we have runs > Fractint quite happily at 1024x768 and 1280x1024 ... > > David > gnome@hawaii.rr.com > > On 2 Sep 01 at 23:02, Ken MacLean wrote: > > > Paul -- > > Is there any way to run fractint on a machine that > > doesn't have a VESA board? My rig has a 3dFX PCI board, > > but I can't seem to run the DOS version of fractint on > > any setting but F3 or SF1, which doesn't generate very > > good resolution. Sincerely, Kenneth MacLean > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken MacLean Subject: (fractint) Query to List Date: 04 Sep 2001 16:01:39 -0400 I am running NT4.0 with a 3dfx Voodoo 3000 PCI graphics board, but I cannot get fractint (version 20.0) to run on any video modes other than F3 and SF1, which give unacceptably poor resolution. If anyone out there has gotten fractint to run with NT4 with ANY PCI graphics board, I would really appreciate if you would tell me how you did it! Sincerely, Kenneth MacLean Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Query to List Date: 04 Sep 2001 16:24:16 -0400 Ken MacLean wrote: >>>I am running NT4.0 with a 3dfx Voodoo 3000 PCI graphics board, but I cannot get fractint (version 20.0) to run on any video modes other than F3 and SF1, which give unacceptably poor resolution. If anyone out there has gotten fractint to run with NT4 with ANY PCI graphics board, I would really appreciate if you would tell me how you did it!<<< Ken, You may be out of luck. There is a knowledge base article on microsoft.com that specifically says NT4 does not support VESA and will not run any DOS program in other than standard VGA (320x200x256 or 640x480x16). I have a Matrox Millenium PCI card that I run under NT4 and, like you, SF1 (360x480x256) is the best I can do with Fractint. There have been reports in the past that some users have run Fractint at higher resolutions but this is the exception, not the rule. By the way, does anyone know if Fractint will run in VESA video modes under Windows XP? XP supposedly has various 'compatibility modes'. Nick Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken MacLean Subject: Re: (fractint) Query to List Date: 04 Sep 2001 19:43:02 -0400 Nick -- thanks very much for that