From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 01-12-01 (Fractal Activity [6]) Date: 01 Dec 2001 10:01:36 EST FOTD -- December 01, 2001 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: The hectic activity that fills today's image inspires the name "Fractal Activity". Fragments of all shape and size swirl about in a hazy atmosphere, with a small mis-shapen midget at the center holding it all together. Several long, thin elements lend a vaguely sinister air to the whole scene. The formula Z^1.65+C generates the parent fractal, which at a level 130.5 turns up the logarithmic spiral, generates a roughly Mandeloid-shaped bay with a large area of extended chaos on the south shore, a large irregular bud on the north shore, and a smaller bud on the east shore. Today's scene is located in the north valley of the smaller east bud. The overall bluish cast of the color palette creates the hazy atmospheric effect of the scene, which rates an above average 6, though it falls short of the exceptional quality that would rate a 7 or above. The render time of 22 minutes is a bit slow, but the resulting impatience can be eliminated by downloading the completed GIF image file from the W.W.Web at the URL: or at: But give Paul and Scott a chance to render and post the image before going for the download. The fractal weather Friday here at Fractal Central was once again unpleasant for cats who like to romp outdoors in warm dry conditions. With a temperature of 71F 21.5C, it was warm enough, but the heavy clouds and occasional light rain made it just too wet for outdoor comfort for cats. We've come to the end of another FOTD, and once again I failed to philosophize. I've got a little work to finish and lots of philosophizing to do before I settle down to search for the next fractal -- the fractal that will appear as the FOTD for December 2. So until the next time arrives, take lots of care, and what ever happened to Jay Hill and Doctor J? Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Fractal_Activity { ; time=0:22:32.42--SF5 on a p200 reset=2002 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotBC1 function=floor passes=b center-mag=+0.65286110698497920/-0.024041329736378\ 53/130712.4/1/-82.5/3.26681515172566606e-010 params=1.65/0/130.5/0 float=y maxiter=30000 inside=255 logmap=485 colors=000C1QC1QGATLDXPJ_TMaYPdaTgfXjj`modpskrvqsz\ uuzxvzzxzyxzxyzvzxvzsszoozjlzdiz`fzXazS_zOXzJVzFTz\ GRzGQyIPyIOyJNyJMyLLyLKyLKyLKyLKyLKyLKyLKyLKyLKyLK\ yLKxLKwLKvLKuLKtLKsIKqGKoDKmCKk9Ki7Kg6Ke4Kc1Ka0K_0\ KY0KW0KU0JS0GQ0DQ0IQ6LSDOUMS0TV0aY0i`0gY0gV0fS0fP0\ fM3dJ6dG9cDCcAFc7Ia4La1Oa0Pc6VdC_fGdgMiiQojXslaymf\ zolzojzzcovgQvgPvgOvgMvgLvgJygIxgGzfFxdDviCumAspAo\ oFjmJglOclS`jXXi`SgdPgiLfmIdrDcvAcyDfyGgyJiyMjyOly\ QoyTpyXry_sy`uycxyfyyizylzymzyyzizzTzzSxxQrvQlsPdp\ O_oOTlMOjMQiQTiTXiX_i_aicdifgiiiillgpogsrgvugyxgzz\ gzzgzzgzvjzmlzdozXpzOszFuz6xz0yz1vz3sz6pz7oyAlvCis\ DgpIirLjsPjuSlvXlv_mxcmyfozjozmpzrpzurzyrzzszzszzu\ zzuzzuyzuvyvuxvrxvovvluvisxgsxdrxapx_pxYLxX0xX0ya0\ zg0zl0zr0zv3zz4zz3zz3zz3zy3zv3zu1zr1zp1zm1zj1zi0zf\ 0zd0za0z`0zY0zXczvizxmzyszzxzzzzozzczzSzzIzzJxzJsz\ LpzLlzLvzyozvizsczpYzo000 } frm:MandelbrotBC1 { ; by several Fractint users e=p1, a=imag(p2)+100 p=real(p2)+PI q=2*PI*fn1(p/(2*PI)) r=real(p2)-q Z=C=Pixel: Z=log(Z) IF(imag(Z)>r) Z=Z+flip(2*PI) ENDIF Z=exp(e*(Z+flip(q)))+C |Z| Scott's site can be found at: The fractal weather Saturday featured sunny skies, light winds, and a balmy temperature of 73F 23C. It was absolutely perfect for the fractal cats, who were in and out all day. But since we normally see ice at this time of year, some local cold weather lovers are beginning to ask where winter is. And of course, those who enjoy having something to worry about are once again fearful that it is the beginning of the global warming that will eventually end life on earth. As for myself -- I see nothing more apocalyptic than an unusually warm and pleasant Autumn in the local area. Regardless of the import of the mildness, it's another perfect day, it's not yet 10am, and the cats are already worrying me to let them out. When the fractal cats want to be outdoors, they had better be let out, or else they become most annoying. So I'm off to open the door. Until next time, take care, and what ever happened to the 'nuclear winter' crisis? Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Mandelbrot_Billows { ; time=0:25:21.65--SF5 on a P200 reset=2002 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotBC1 function=floor passes=1 center-mag=+0.29929135794286550/-1.244993106283451\ 00/1039074/1/-142.5/2.06540170383240351e-009 params=1.6/0/131/0 float=y maxiter=10000 inside=0 logmap=-655 colors=000725825A47B58D7AE8BDADBBEADG8EH7GI5HK4HK2\ HK1IK0IK0II0II0KI0KI0KI0KH0LH0LH0LH0LH0LH0NI0OK0OK\ 0QL0RL0RN1TN4VO7VO8WQBYREYRHZTI`TL`VOaVQcWTcWWdYYd\ YdcVjaTraRx`QzZOzZNzorzlpzioxgmudlrcjo`imZgjWegVdd\ RcaQaZN`YLZVIYRHWOEVLDTIARH8QGBOGENEHNEKLENKDQKDTI\ DWHBZHBaGBcGAeEAiD8lD8oB8rA7uA7x87z75z75z55z5Gz4Qz\ 2Zz1iz0rz0pz0oz0oz0mz0lz0lz0jz0iz0iz0gz0ez0ez0dz0c\ z0cz0az0`z0`z0Zz0Zz0`z0`z2`z7`zB`zGazKazOazTazYaza\ czeczjczocztczwczwczwaztazpazm`zj`zg`zdZzaZzZZzWYz\ TYzQYzNYzKHzl1zzDzzNzzYzugzorzjtzguzduzawzZwzWxzTx\ zQzzNzzKzzHzzGzzDzzAzz7zz4zz1zz0zz0zz0zz0zz0zz0zz0\ zz0xz0uz0rz0pz0mz0jz0iz0ez0cz1`z2Zz2Wz4Tz5Rz5Oz7Lz\ 8Kz8HzAEzBDzBNzGWzIdzNmzQlzRjzTjzTizVgzWgzWezYezZd\ zZcz`czaazaazc`zdZzdZzeYzgYzgazdezajzZmzWrzTwzQzzN\ zzLzzOzzRzzVzzYzzZzzazzdzzgzzizzlzzozzrzztzzwzzzzz\ zzzzzzzzzwzzrzzo2zt4zo5zl } frm:MandelbrotBC1 { ; by several Fractint users e=p1, a=imag(p2)+100 p=real(p2)+PI q=2*PI*fn1(p/(2*PI)) r=real(p2)-q Z=C=Pixel: Z=log(Z) IF(imag(Z)>r) Z=Z+flip(2*PI) ENDIF Z=exp(e*(Z+flip(q)))+C |Z| Subject: (fractint) fractint documentation Date: 02 Dec 2001 16:18:51 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C17B4D.0799C220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi: Can anyone tell me what format is used for the fractint.doc file. Is is = MS Word format? If so, what version -- Word 6, 7, 97?? The reason I = ask is because I am having difficulty getting a printable form of = fractint.doc. Thanks George Priest geopriest@raincity.com "But why is it mere talk? Because, my friend, beauty, purity, = respectability, religion, morality, art, patriotism, bravery, and the = rest are nothing but words which I or anyone else can turn inside out = like a glove." GBS, Man & Superman. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C17B4D.0799C220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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"But why is it mere talk?  = Because, my=20 friend,  beauty, purity, respectability, religion, morality, art,=20 patriotism, bravery, and the rest are nothing but words which I or = anyone else=20 can turn inside out like a glove."  GBS,  Man &=20 Superman.
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C17B4D.0799C220-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint documentation Date: 02 Dec 2001 23:21:42 -0600 George Priest wrote: > > Can anyone tell me what format is used > for the fractint.doc file. Plain Text. Just use Wordpad or similar document viewer. But if you want the page breaks to be correct, then use MS-Word and edit the file by modifying every occurance of: " Fractint Version 20.02 Page" with the following: "^m Fractint Version 20.02 Page" Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: (fractint) Web gallery Date: 02 Dec 2001 23:53:00 -0800 After almost eight months in limbo, I am resurrecting the site. Bud's Fractal Pages went off the air in late April because of a change in policy after one in a series of ISP buyouts that left me with only 5 MB of storage. Since I have yet to arrange a new home for my site, I have decided to display one gallery at my current location. It contains 20 new images. You are invited to view them at http://veenet.value.net/~mchris/fractals.htm For the IFL and others, please don't bother to update your links just yet. Now that I have new content, I don't think it will be too long before I take the plunge into a bigger pool. Regards, Bud Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 03-12-01 (A Vision of Sylphs [3]) Date: 03 Dec 2001 10:41:19 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- December 03, 2001 (Rating 3) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's rather slow image rates only a lowly 3. If I worked on the colors, I could raise it to a 5 or 6, but due to the world news, I just don't have the enthusiasm necessary to work with fractals. I named today's image "A Vision of Sylphs". A sylph is an elemental nature spirit that dwells (or is supposed to dwell) in the air. Having never seen a sylph, I have no idea of their appearance, but some of the elements in today's image give the impression of a swirling dance of atmosphere. This is reason enough to justify the name. The formula of the image is Z^1.55+C, sliced 97 levels up the logarithmic spiral. The render time of 43 minutes is far too long for such a disappointing image. A far better way to see the sylphs is to download the GIF image from the W.W.Web at: or at: But give Paul and Scott a chance to render and post the image before visiting their sites. The fractal weather Sunday here at Fractal Central turned cloudy and chilly. No rain fell, but the temperature of 52F 11C and lack of warm sun limited the fractal cats' time outdoors to less than an hour. When they can't go out, the cats get hungry, so they spent most of the afternoon indoors, worrying me for more food. Right now I'm worried about some work that should be finished but is not. The best way to finish it is to start. And though I don't feel like doing so, that's what I'm about to do. Until next time, take care, and what is wrong with humanity?. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ A_Vision_of_Sylphs { ; time=0:43:47.53--SF5 on a P200 reset=2002 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotBC1 function=floor passes=1 center-mag=-0.41721734187317930/+0.615018610809023\ 00/31759.23/1/130/4.21363777203254131e-011 params=1.55/0/-97/0 float=y maxiter=10000 inside=0 logmap=575 colors=000NLKLKLILNHLOENQDNR9NQBQRDRTETVGVWHWYIYZK\ Z`L`aOacQadRafTahVaiWakYalZanacoccqdcsfcthcvicxkcy\ lczoczqczscztczvczxczyczzazzczzdzzfzzfzzhzziyzivzk\ tylqyloynlyokyohyqdyscyt`ytZxvWxxVxxRxyOxzNxzKxzIx\ zGyzDxzExzExzGxzGvzGvzHvyHvyHvxItxItvKtvKttKttLssL\ ssLsqNsqNsoOqoOqnOqnQqlQonRqlQqkQskQsiQsiQthQthQtf\ QvdQvdQxcQxcQxaQyaQy`Qy`QzZQzYQzYQzWQzWQzVQzVQzTQz\ RQzRQzQQzQQzOQzOQzNQzLRzNQzOOzQOzRNzTLxTLvVKsWIqYI\ oZHl`Gk`GhaEfcDddDafB`hAYf9ZhAZhA`iA`iA`kAakBalBcl\ BcnBcnBdoDdoDdqDfqDfsDhsEhtEhtEivEivEkxGkxGkyGlyGl\ zGqzAlzGivKfoQckVZd`W`dTViQQoLItIBzGIzEQzDYzBdzAlz\ Atz9tz7tz6tz6tz4tz2tz2tz1tz0tz0tz0tz0tz0tz0tz0tz0t\ z0tz0tz0tz0tz0tz0tz0tz0tz0tz0tz0tz0tz0tz0tz0tz0sz1\ qz2oz4oz6nz6nz7nz7nz7lz9lz9lzAlzAkzAkzBkzBkzDkzDiz\ DizEizEizEhzGhzGhzHhzHhzHfzIfzIfzKfzKdzKdzLdzLdzId\ zLdzLdzLdzLdzLdzLdzLdzLdz } frm:MandelbrotBC1 { ; by several Fractint users e=p1, a=imag(p2)+100 p=real(p2)+PI q=2*PI*fn1(p/(2*PI)) r=real(p2)-q Z=C=Pixel: Z=log(Z) IF(imag(Z)>r) Z=Z+flip(2*PI) ENDIF Z=exp(e*(Z+flip(q)))+C |Z| Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint documentation Date: 03 Dec 2001 11:27:09 -0800 (PST) On Sun, 2 Dec 2001, Paul N. Lee wrote: > But if you want the page breaks to be correct, then use MS-Word and edit > the file by modifying every occurance of: > > " Fractint Version 20.02 Page" > > with the following: > > "^m Fractint Version 20.02 Page" Hmm, my fractinit.doc file (from xfractint) already has the form feed charactors... -- Guy Hammer, guyh@aracnet.com http://www.aracnet.com/~guyh -- 11:23am up 27 days, 14:10, 7 users, load average: 1.00, 1.02, 1.00 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Programmer Dude Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint documentation Date: 03 Dec 2001 13:37:15 -0600 > On Sun, 2 Dec 2001, Paul N. Lee wrote: >> with the following: >> >> "^m Fractint Version 20.02 Page" Would ^L be better or are the pages really just one line off? p.s. Some printers treat a single ^M as *just* a Carriage Return, and do not advance the paper, so in some cases ^M might not even work.... -- |_ CJSonnack _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint documentation Date: 03 Dec 2001 14:55:08 -0600 Guy Hammer wrote: > > Hmm, my fractinit.doc file (from xfractint) > already has the form feed charactors... > I had used another text editor on mine and it seems to have eliminated the manual page break character x'0C', and left only the line-feed/carriage-return characters x'0D0A' within the file. After running the "makedoc" again, I see they are back to normal. Programmer Dude wrote: > > Would ^L be better or are the pages really > just one line off? > > p.s. > Some printers treat a single ^M as *just* a > Carriage Return, and do not advance the paper, > so in some cases ^M might not even work.... If using MS-Word, the ^l (lowercase "L") is normally for a manual line break when doing a replace, and the ^m is for a manual page break. Try doing a replace option in MS-Word, select the MORE button and choose the SPECIAL drop down list. You will notice all the characters available. Those "special" characters are only representations for the actual hexadecimal value which will be used. Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Programmer Dude Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint documentation Date: 03 Dec 2001 15:10:50 -0600 "Paul N. Lee" wrote: > Try doing a replace option in MS-Word, select the MORE button and > choose the SPECIAL drop down list. You will notice all the characters > available. Heh! Cool!! I learned somethin', Thanks!!! Apparently you can use them as *search* patterns, too. THAT's gonna come in handy.... -- |_ CJSonnack _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 04-12-01 (A Make-good Fractal [8]) Date: 04 Dec 2001 11:07:08 EST FOTD -- December 04, 2001 (Rating 8) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's fractal is named "A Makegood Fractal". I felt that I needed to make good the abysmal fractal that passed for the FOTD of December 3. Today, I atone for yesterday's 3-rated let-down by presenting a fractal that rates a lofty 8. The formula takes 0.03 parts of Z^13, adds 0.03 parts of Z^(-23) and then adds (1/C). This formula draws a narrow ring of lakes with many places to explore for midgets. For today's scene, I chose a rudimentary valley along the negative X-axis. Today's image has been colored with the outside-fmod option, with the proximity factor set to 1.5. I rendered it with the passes set to 'b'. This is not only the fastest option with this particular scene, it also eliminates several unwanted holes. Running the parameter file by the fastest rendering option is actually irrelevant, since all methods render within a few seconds of one minute on my machine. The render time will be less than one minute on anything faster than 200mhz. Those who still wish to download the GIF image can find it at: and at: The fractal weather Monday at Fractal Central blossomed sunny and mild with light winds. The 59F 15C temperature must have been just what the cats wanted, because they passed the afternoon resting on the porch and exploring remote parts of the yard. When the grey cat that lives up the street approached, Tippy quickly chased it away. Thomas checked Tippy carefully when he returned to the yard, then they both settled down for the rest of the afternoon. The dynamic duo is still settled this morning, so I'd best get the day's tasks started before they wake up and become a distraction. Until next time and next fractal, take care, and maybe cats will succeed where we fail. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ A_Makegood_Fractal { ; time=0:01:03.82--SF5 on a p200 reset=2002 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=b center-mag=-0.95974698691728890/-0.017561398477024\ 36/61456.73/1/-72.5/-2.99989533214528592e-010 params=0.03/13/0.03/-23/0/0 float=y maxiter=600 inside=120 proximity=1.5 outside=fmod colors=000CRJCQJDPJDOKENKEMKFLKFKKGJKHILHHLIGLIFLJ\ ELJDLKCMKBMLAML9MM8MM7MLALLDLLFKLIKLKKLNJLPJKSIKVI\ KXIK_HKaHKdHKfGJiGJlFJnFJqFJsEJvEJxEKvGKtILrKLpLMn\ NMlPMjQNhSNgUOeVOcXPaZP__PYaQWcQUeRSfRRhSPjSNkSLmT\ JoTHpUFrUDtUCuVAtV9sV7sV6rW5qW3qW2pW1pU4mS7jRAhPDe\ OGcMJ`LMZJPWHSTGVREYOD`MBcJAfHCdIEbJG`JI_KKYKMWLOU\ LSTMWRN_PNcNOgMOkKPoIPsGQwFQrEOmDMhDKcCJZBHUBFRAEO\ 9CM9AJ88G77D75B63962A83B94CA5CB5DC6ED7FE7FF8GG9HIA\ IJAIKBJLCKMCLNDLOEMPENQFOSGOTHPUHQVIRWJRXJSYKTZLT_\ LWYJYWI`VGbTFeRDgQCiOAlM9nL7qJ6sH4uG3rJ8pMDmOIkRNh\ USfWXcZaaafZckXfpVhtWfsXesXcsYbrZ`rZ_r_Zq`Xq`WqaUp\ bTpbRpcQpdPodNoeMofKnfJngHnhGmhFmiDmjCljAlk9lk8lgB\ mdDn`GoYIoULpRNqNQqKSrGVsDXsEYtEZtF_tF`tGauGbuHcuH\ duIeuIfvJgvJhvKivKjvKkwLlwLmwMnwMoxNpxNqxOrxOsxPty\ PuyQvyQwyQxyPwxPvwOuwOtvNsuNruNqtMpsMosLnrLmqLlqKk\ pKjoJioJhnJgnKfmKemKdmKdm } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Lewis Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 04-12-01 (A Make-good Fractal [8]) Date: 04 Dec 2001 19:12:35 +0000 On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:07:08 EST, JimMuth@aol.com wrote: FOTD -- December 04, 2001 (Rating 8) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's fractal is named "A Makegood Fractal". I felt that I= needed to make good the abysmal fractal that passed for the FOTD of= December 3. I rather liked that one, too! Best wishes John -- John Lewis, jlewis@clara.net on 12/04/2001 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 05-12-01 (Half-Half-Shells [8]) Date: 05 Dec 2001 10:59:03 EST FOTD -- December 05, 2001 (Rating 8) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: (It is widely believed that good things, [and bad things also], come in groups of three. Today we have the second 8-rated image in a row. Hopefully, the saying is right and tomorrow's FOTD will also rate an 8.) Many things come on a half-shell. Oysters and Venuses are just two of them. And as today's image shows, fractals also can come on the half-shell. Today's image shows a scene in fractal-land, where a midget is surrounded by half-shells. And some of the half-shells are only half there, which makes them quarter-shells or "Half-Half-Shells", which explains the name I gave the image. The formula of the image is totally whimsical, as can be confirmed by checking the parameters. These random parameters draw a parent fractal shaped like an oversized figure 8, which needs an outzoom before it fits on the screen. This figure-8 fractal is actually a grossly distorted Mandeloid rotated 180 degrees, with East Valley on the west side of the main bay. Today's scene is located rather deep in the chaos of the southern shore of this valley. The coloring makes more of the scene than it is actually worth. The rating of 8 owes about 3 points to the colors, which are due more to chance than any effort on my part. The parameter file runs in 1/2 hour on my old machine. This is slow, but not too much work for such a highly rated image. The simplest way to see the image is to download it from one of the FOTD web sites. Those sites can be found at: and at: It was summer in December here at Fractal Central on Tuesday. And to make matters even worse, this is the northern hemisphere, where Summer is expected in June, July, August and September. The warm sun, light winds and temperature of 68F 20C pleased the cats, who were reasonably quiet as they enjoyed the unusual conditions. The local ski resort operators are not so happy however. It is difficult to have snow with a temperature like summer. Hopefully, Winter will arrive by the holidays. It is even more difficult for Santa sleighs to be used when the ground is bare. That's the news from Fractal Central for today. I'll return in 24 hours or so with another fractal, a bit more news, and if I find the inspiration, some philosophy. Until then, take care, and find inspiration in your fractals. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Half-Half-shells { ; time=0:31:25.81--SF5 on a p200 reset=2002 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-2.53776950877348200/-0.014009024142595\ 28/12424.62/1/-67.5/-8.6408921684544282e-011 params=1.636/-0.401/0.547/1.337/0/0 float=y maxiter=30000 inside=0 logmap=269 colors=000POfPOfQPgRQhSRiTSjUTkVUlWVmXWnYXoZYp_Zq`\ _ra`scatebugcvidwkexlfyngzoizpkzrnztoztpzoozkozgnv\ cnp_llXlfSkaPkYQiXSiXSiXTiXTiVViVXiVXiVYiVYiT_iT`i\ T`iTaiTagScgScgSdgSfgSfgQggQggQigQkgQkgPlgPlgPngPn\ gPpgPrfHtf7wg4xg4wi3wi3wk3wk3vl1vn1vn1to0to0tp0tp0\ rr0rt0rt0pv0pv0pw0pw0ox0oz0oz0nz0nz0nz0oz0nz0nz0nw\ 0nt0np0nn0nk1ng3nd3na4n_6lX7iT7gQ9fNAdKCcHCaED`CE_\ 9GY6GX3HV0JT0KS0KQEJPKKNSKSTMXVM_XMcYNg_Nl`PoaPtcP\ xdQzfQzgQzfPzdPzdPzcNzcNzaNxaMx`Mw`Mw_KvYKvYKtXJrX\ JrVJpVHpTHoTHnSGnSGlQGlPEkPEkNEiNDgMDgMDfKCfKCdJCf\ HCdJCcJCaKC`KC_MCYMCYMCXNCVNCTPCSPCQQCPQCPQCNSDMSG\ PTJSTMVVPYVS`VVcXYfX`iYclYfo_ir_lv_ov`rv`vvaxvazvc\ zvczvczvdzvdzvfzvfzvfzvfzvfzvfzvfzvfzvfzvfzvfzvfzv\ fzwfzxfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfz\ zfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzf\ zzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfzzfz } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: (fractint) Possible change in the fractint list Date: 05 Dec 2001 16:35:23 -0600 I have been having some problems with majordomo in administering the fractint and fractdev lists. The kind xmission folks who host this list are suggesting that I move to different (newer) software - mailman. If this happens, I may be able to just move the list members to the new software, or I may just ask members to sign on to the new list when it comes on line. This is just a heads up. I am not sure what the timing will be. I may consider other hosts also if I am making a change, though I must say that the xmission relationship has worked very well for us, with only a few problems, so staying with them is fine with me as long as they will have us. If anyone has any thoughts on majordomo vs mailman or other list software or hosts, I suggest we declare this "on topic" for this list for a short while. Tim Wegner fractint/fractdev list administrator Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: (fractint) Possible change in the fractint list Date: 05 Dec 2001 16:41:04 -0600 I have been having some problems with majordomo in administering the fractint and fractdev lists. The kind xmission folks who host this list are suggesting that I move to different (newer) software - mailman. If this happens, I may be able to just move the list members to the new software, or I may just ask members to sign on to the new list when it comes on line. This is just a heads up. I am not sure what the timing will be. I may consider other hosts also if I am making a change, though I must say that the xmission relationship has worked very well for us, with only a few problems, so staying with them is fine with me as long as they will have us. If anyone has any thoughts on majordomo vs mailman or other list software or hosts, I suggest we declare this "on topic" for this list for a short while. Tim Wegner fractint/fractdev list administrator Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 06-12-01 (Honeycombed Midget [7]) Date: 06 Dec 2001 10:13:05 EST FOTD -- December 06, 2001 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: I'm a bit busier today than I would prefer to be, so the discussion will have to be relatively short. Well, we don't have the third FOTD in a row that rates an 8, but today's rating of 7 comes pretty close. The formula takes Z^(-12.5), adds 10 times as much Z^(-1.25), then adds (1/C), to create a fractal with more convolutions than a government bureaucracy. This parent fractal is indescribable, but contains many bays and valleys. Today's midget is located on the shoreline of one of these valleys, in an area with elements that resemble those of a Julia set. This area would never be expected to hold midgets. I looked there only because I often look for midgets where none are expected. The unusual appearance of today's image is a result of setting both the inside and outside to , with a proximity of 1. The name, "Honeycombed Midget" has little relevance to the image. The name was given to an earlier version, and carried over to the present version because I like the sound of the name. The parameter file renders in 8 minutes on my outdated machine. The already rendered image downloads in less time from: or from: The fractal weather Wednesday here at Fractal Central was like mid-summer, with blue skies, fluffy white cumulus clouds, and a temperature of 75F 24C. The fractal cats, who enjoy summer, were happy all afternoon, even in the shade of the holly trees. Their only irritation came when the day ended early, but these are the shortest days of the year here at latitude 39N, and the sun is gone by 4:30pm. And I had better get going on the day's work if I hope to have it finished by the time this shortened day ends. Until next FOTD, take care, and what will tomorrow bring? Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com jimmuth@aol.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Honeycombed_Midget { ; time=0:07:55.82--SF5 on a P200 reset=2002 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+1.87898498897471100/+0.564898033124445\ 90/10315.45/1/32.5/2.26459337393514204e-011 params=1/-12.5/10/-1.25/0/525 float=y maxiter=1200 inside=fmod proximity=1 outside=fmod colors=000tKCtJCtHCsGCsEEqGCqGEpGEpGFnGGnGGmGHmGJl\ HJlHKkHLjJEhKFgLGfMHdOJcPKbQLaSN_TOZUPYWRWXSVYTT_V\ S`WR`YP`ZO`_O`aO`bO`cO`dO`fP_gO`hO`jO_kO_lOYlNYkNX\ kNXkNWjNWjNUjLUhLThLThLSgLSgLQgKQfKPfKPfKOdKOdJMcJ\ McJMbKMbKMaKM_LM_LMZLMYNMYNMWNMVOMVOMTPMSPMSPMRRMP\ ROPROOSONSONSOLTOKTOKTOJVOHVOHWOGWOFWOFYOEYOCYOCZO\ BZO9ZP9_P8_P7_P7aP5aP4bP4bP3bP1cP1cP0cP0dP0dP0dP0f\ P0fP0gQ0fP0dO0dO0cM0bL0bL0aK0_J0_J0ZH0YG0YG0WE0WE0\ VD0TC0TC0SA0R90R90P81O61O61N51L53O61O61P81P81R91R9\ 1SA1SA1TC1TC1VD1VD1WE1WE1YF1YF1YF1ZF1ZF1_F5_FAaFFa\ FKbFPbFUcFZcFceFceFcfFcfFcfFcgFchFciFciFcjFcjGckHc\ kIclJclKcmLcmMcnNcoOcpPcpQcpRcqScrTcsUcsVctWctXcuY\ cuZcv_cw`cxacxbcyccxdcyeczfczgczhazi_zjYzkWzlUzmSz\ nQzoOzpMzqKzrIzrUzrEzqCzpAzo5zn3zm4zl4zk4zj4zi4zh5\ zg5zf5ye5yd5xc7xb7wa7w`7v_7vZ8uY8tX8sW8rV8qU9pT9oS\ 9nR9mQ9lPBkOBjNBiMBhLBgKC } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 07-12-01 (Golden Chrysanthemum [6]) Date: 07 Dec 2001 09:21:57 EST FOTD -- December 07, 2001 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Life is filled with disappointments. I still remember the disappointment I felt as a child, when I discovered that professional wrestling is a performing art rather than a competitive sport. I felt the same disappointment when I realized that baseball is more about making money than having fun playing a game. I never really believed in the Easter bunny or Santa Claus, but I did believe Ripley. Perhaps the biggest let-down of all came when I realized that some of Ripley's impossible "Believe it or Not" wonders were in fact untrue. All these let-downs were justified in the late 1980's however, when I discovered fractals. Life has never been the same since. Today's slightly above average fractal image reminds me of a golden chrysanthemum, so that's what I named it. The image is actually a scene lying in the suburbs of a larger midget, which is located near a still larger midget, which lies north and west of an indescribable parent. The scene is disconnected from its parent. This disconnection is reflected in the golden rings surrounding the midget, which form concentric circles in no way joined to each other or to the midget they surround. The whole assemblage resembles a flower such as a chrysanthemum or aster, and makes a pleasant enough picture to rate a 6. The parameter file runs in three minutes; the completed GIF image downloads from: or from: in even less time. The weather Thursday here at Fractal Central was once again summer-like, with blue skies, gentle breezes, and a temperature of 73F 23C. Cats of the fractal variety enjoy such conditions, and Thomas and Tippy are no exception. The dynamic duo passed the afternoon sleeping in their chairs on the porch, opening their eyes occasionally to be sure that no unwanted cats were intruding. Since it's the last day of the work week and there's still work to be done, I had best get busy. But I'll return with more goodies in 24 hours. Until then, take care, and accentuate the fractal positive. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com jimmuth@aol.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Gold_Chrysanthemum { ; time=0:03:18.50--SF5 on a P200 reset=2002 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-0.47904926844684050/+2.689928561895989\ 00/7.255801e+011/1/45.0104028392414861/-0.01121875\ 11152195482 params=1/-12.5/10/-1.25/0/525 float=y maxiter=550 inside=0 logmap=63 colors=00087aA8`BBZDDYEGWGHVHKTILRKOQLQONTNOVLQYKR\ ZITaHRcEReBVg8Yj7`l5co4dp2gt1ju0mx0pz0rz0uz0xz0zz0\ zz0zz0zz0wz0rz1oz5jzAezEazIZzLVzQQzVLzZIzcEzgAzl5z\ p2zt7wrBtpGppKmoOjmRgmWdl`aldZjiWilTipQguNezKezHdz\ EdzGezHizIlzIoxKrwOuuTxmYzeazZezRezKezDdz5cw4ar4`o\ 4`l2Zi2Ye2Wa2VZ1TW1RT1QQ1QN4NR7LW8I`BHdDEiGDmHArK8\ wL7zNEtOKlQQdRYYTcQViIWpBYw4Zz0Zz0OzVGzzNzzTzzZwzd\ uzjuzpuzmuzjuzguzeuzcuz`uzYuxWuxTuwQuuNutLutIurGup\ EupDurBurAur8ut7ut5ut4uu2uu2uu7utBurEurIupLupQuoTu\ mYum`uldulgujluiouitugwugzuizuizuizuizuizuizumpuri\ uu`uzRuzKuzLuzNuwOurOumQugRucRuZTuVVuOVuKWuGYuBYu7\ IuV4up0uz0uz7uzGuzOuxNuwNuwLuuLuuKuuKutKutIutIurHu\ rHurGupGupGupEulDugBucBuZAuV8wQ8zL7zH5zD5z84z42z02\ z0Iz0Zz0oz0xz8zzKzzVazc2zj1zl0zm0zo0zo0zp0zr0zt0zt\ 0zu0zw0zx0zx0zz0zz0zz0zz0zx0zt4zoAzjEzgKzcQzZVzV`z\ QdzNjzIpzEDzrHztLztOztTzt } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 07-12-01 (Golden Chrysanthemum [6]) Date: 07 Dec 2001 11:41:17 -0600 The site screams for a sight of: "the dynamic duo"; "Cats of the fractal variety . . . . ." D. Freed JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > FOTD -- December 07, 2001 (Rating 6) > > Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: > > Life is filled with disappointments. I still remember the > disappointment I felt as a child, when I discovered that > professional wrestling is a performing art rather than a > competitive sport. I felt the same disappointment when I > realized that baseball is more about making money than having > fun playing a game. I never really believed in the Easter bunny > or Santa Claus, but I did believe Ripley. Perhaps the biggest > let-down of all came when I realized that some of Ripley's > impossible "Believe it or Not" wonders were in fact untrue. > > All these let-downs were justified in the late 1980's however, > when I discovered fractals. Life has never been the same since. > > Today's slightly above average fractal image reminds me of a > golden chrysanthemum, so that's what I named it. The image is > actually a scene lying in the suburbs of a larger midget, which > is located near a still larger midget, which lies north and west > of an indescribable parent. > > The scene is disconnected from its parent. This disconnection > is reflected in the golden rings surrounding the midget, which > form concentric circles in no way joined to each other or to the > midget they surround. The whole assemblage resembles a flower > such as a chrysanthemum or aster, and makes a pleasant enough > picture to rate a 6. > > The parameter file runs in three minutes; the completed GIF > image downloads from: > > > > or from: > > > > in even less time. > > The weather Thursday here at Fractal Central was once again > summer-like, with blue skies, gentle breezes, and a temperature > of 73F 23C. Cats of the fractal variety enjoy such conditions, > and Thomas and Tippy are no exception. The dynamic duo passed > the afternoon sleeping in their chairs on the porch, opening > their eyes occasionally to be sure that no unwanted cats were > intruding. > > Since it's the last day of the work week and there's still work > to be done, I had best get busy. But I'll return with more > goodies in 24 hours. Until then, take care, and accentuate the > fractal positive. > > Jim Muth > jamth@mindspring.com > jimmuth@aol.com > > START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ > > Gold_Chrysanthemum { ; time=0:03:18.50--SF5 on a P200 > reset=2002 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm > formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 > center-mag=-0.47904926844684050/+2.689928561895989\ > 00/7.255801e+011/1/45.0104028392414861/-0.01121875\ > 11152195482 params=1/-12.5/10/-1.25/0/525 float=y > maxiter=550 inside=0 logmap=63 > colors=00087aA8`BBZDDYEGWGHVHKTILRKOQLQONTNOVLQYKR\ > ZITaHRcEReBVg8Yj7`l5co4dp2gt1ju0mx0pz0rz0uz0xz0zz0\ > zz0zz0zz0wz0rz1oz5jzAezEazIZzLVzQQzVLzZIzcEzgAzl5z\ > p2zt7wrBtpGppKmoOjmRgmWdl`aldZjiWilTipQguNezKezHdz\ > EdzGezHizIlzIoxKrwOuuTxmYzeazZezRezKezDdz5cw4ar4`o\ > 4`l2Zi2Ye2Wa2VZ1TW1RT1QQ1QN4NR7LW8I`BHdDEiGDmHArK8\ > wL7zNEtOKlQQdRYYTcQViIWpBYw4Zz0Zz0OzVGzzNzzTzzZwzd\ > uzjuzpuzmuzjuzguzeuzcuz`uzYuxWuxTuwQuuNutLutIurGup\ > EupDurBurAur8ut7ut5ut4uu2uu2uu7utBurEurIupLupQuoTu\ > mYum`uldulgujluiouitugwugzuizuizuizuizuizuizumpuri\ > uu`uzRuzKuzLuzNuwOurOumQugRucRuZTuVVuOVuKWuGYuBYu7\ > IuV4up0uz0uz7uzGuzOuxNuwNuwLuuLuuKuuKutKutIutIurHu\ > rHurGupGupGupEulDugBucBuZAuV8wQ8zL7zH5zD5z84z42z02\ > z0Iz0Zz0oz0xz8zzKzzVazc2zj1zl0zm0zo0zo0zp0zr0zt0zt\ > 0zu0zw0zx0zx0zz0zz0zz0zz0zx0zt4zoAzjEzgKzcQzZVzV`z\ > QdzNjzIpzEDzrHztLztOztTzt > } > > frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth > a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), > g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, > k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): > z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, > |z| < l > } > > END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: (fractint) Vicious Rumor... Date: 07 Dec 2001 20:56:09 -0600 There has been talk from the Developer section of possibly modifying FractInt to the point it might mean saved PAR files would not generate the same image as it did when the parameters were saved. This would put the issue of backwards compatability at stake. Apparently not enough individuals have demonstrated a public interest to show the Developers that old PAR files are worth keeping. Any "artists" out there concerned about their past works?? Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Traynor Subject: Re: (fractint) Vicious Rumor... Date: 07 Dec 2001 22:12:38 -0500 Paul > There has been talk from the Developer section of possibly modifying > FractInt to the point it might mean saved PAR files would not generate > the same image as it did when the parameters were saved. This would put > the issue of backwards compatability at stake. > > Apparently not enough individuals have demonstrated a public interest to > show the Developers that old PAR files are worth keeping. Any "artists" > out there concerned about their past works?? If you open it up to enthusiastic Fractint users who don't have delusions of being artists, I'd be dismayed to see all the par files I have rendered incompatible with future versions of Fractint. That said, if they were convertible by manipulation of the text files, it would alleviate my concern. Mike Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fractals@hiddendimension.com Subject: RE: (fractint) Vicious Rumor... Date: 07 Dec 2001 22:27:26 -0500 Hi Paul, I have a HUGE collection of pars, both my own, which go back to about 1990 and many, many others. A few of my pars generate "correctly" only with Fraction 17.3 or earlier, so I have archived the old version just to be able to regenerate the images. I can understand the old change, which was because of a bug, but I would be very unhappy if a new version of Fractint would force me to archive another version just so I could continue to regenerate the old images. Tim, is the rumor true?? Ron Barnett -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Paul N. Lee Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 9:56 PM There has been talk from the Developer section of possibly modifying FractInt to the point it might mean saved PAR files would not generate the same image as it did when the parameters were saved. This would put the issue of backwards compatability at stake. Apparently not enough individuals have demonstrated a public interest to show the Developers that old PAR files are worth keeping. Any "artists" out there concerned about their past works?? Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RENRAD1@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Vicious Rumor... Date: 07 Dec 2001 22:36:00 EST As one who'd like to sell some images and resell some older ones, I'd hope that a par will generate the same image in each version of Fractint. I shudder to think of all my old parfile being lost to me. If the old par files could be made usable through batch-able text corrections utility that would be good, too. If they can't i'll be hanging onto my old version and hoping that it will still be archived against the need to correctly render my old stuff. ~renrad Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: Re: (fractint) Vicious Rumor... Date: 07 Dec 2001 21:52:30 -0600 Paul wrote: > "Vicious Rumor..." Geesh Paul, calm down! > There has been talk from the Developer section of possibly modifying > FractInt to the point it might mean saved PAR files would not generate > the same image as it did when the parameters were saved. This would put > the issue of backwards compatability at stake. This is a somewhat (!) melodramatic exaggeration of what we were talking about. What we were talking about was a peculiarity Jonathan rediscovered in the Julia algorithm. A way to see it is to compare MarksJulia with parameters .3, .6 to the default Julia. This should be the same as the default Julia, but one color ring is missing and all the other colors off by one color. This is a idiosyncracy of Fractint's original Mandelbrot algorthm as coded by Bert Tyler. If we "fix" this sort of thing it might break exact backward compatability. A way we have dealt with this in the past is to key off the version number stored in PAR files. All PAR files start with reset=. We have generally gone to a lot of trouble to make old PARs render correctly. Jonathan could tell you a lot about this. We look at the version stored in the PAR file, and use the old version's algorithm when rendering an old PAR. The price we pay is that we have to code both the old and the new algorithm. > Apparently not enough individuals have demonstrated a public interest to > show the Developers that old PAR files are worth keeping. Any "artists" > out there concerned about their past works?? The exact quote of what I wrote is: BEGIN QUOTE In the past, we would be very loath to change something like this because our artists would go nuts wanting to protect their legacy images. But since we don't hear from them anymore, I'm not sure it matters. But while fractint is no longer a dominant program, it still does have a following. Let me pose a question to this list. Is Fractint backward compatability still an issue for you? Do you mind if we eliminate quirks and make the program more uniform, or are you concerned that legacy images render the same. Hmmm - upon reflection, since we have things like Jim's "fractal of the day", there still are accumulating libraries of PAR files. Maybe it is important that we keep backward compatibility so as much as possible fractint renders old PAR files the way it used to. END QUOTE As you see I was thinking out loud, and raised a question, then gave my own answer. The "vicious rumor" was actually a question to see what folks think, not a statement. (I actually forgot which list I was in and thought I was asking folks in this list.) So much for the vicious rumor At this stage in Fractint's life cycle we certainly would not do anything rash to break backwards compatability. My suggestion for Jonathan's original query would be to try to emulate Fractint's idiosyncracies in Xfractint (except for integer math, that's a lost cause.) Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: (fractint) non vicious non-rumors and humor Date: 07 Dec 2001 22:54:35 -0600 I was trying to figure out whether to chatise Paul for his "vicious rumor" post or not. My first thought was to take umbrage that he read a post I had made on the developer's list then posted a somewhat hysterical misrepresentation of it here. This thought lasted about 3 seconds, maybe five seconds max. :-) However I decided to applaud Paul instead for livening up this sorta dead list with some juicy stuff. If I had a payroll I would have to put him on it to make posts like that It sure did bring out some passionate replies in defense of new versions rendering people's PAR collections accurately. Paul is totally and absolutely forgiven Maybe we should have a contest to find other weirdnesses of Fractint. Can anybody state in clear mathematical language EXACTLY what fractint is doing with the default mandelbrot and julia algorithms? This is amusing really, because Bert Tyler never claimed to be a theorist, mathematician, or to have a deep knowlefdge of fractals. He was an expert programmer in assembler. He liked "stylish blue" for the background, so he didn't start with color 0 (black) but with color 1 (blue in the default palette). As you can see, an initial iteration gets skipped because as a programmer Bert saw that 0*0 + c = c, so he decided to just start with z(0) = c rather than z(0) = 0, and save one cycle. Bert's motivation was speed pure and simple. This consternation about backward compatibility makes me chuckle. In a few feverish nights of work in 1987 Bert coded the Mandelbrot and Julia algorithm. Today, in 2001, 14 years later, the default image is exactly the same as it was then. But the there are quite a number of different routines in Fractint that all do the default mandelbrot. 1. Bert's original 386 32 bit integer math mandelbrot/Julia code. I think it has been modified a little over the years by some people who found ways to speed it up slightly. 2. 16 bit integer math. When you are calculating the default Mandelbrot and low zoom ratios, Fractint actually abandons Bert's code and uses 16 bit integer math! Fractint seamlessly "shifts" to 32 bit integer math when the 16 bit precision limits is reached. 3. Floating point math coded in C. I probably wrote this originally. (Don't try coding the Mandelbrot algorithm in C at home, it's hard, remember, I really am a rocket scientist ) 4. Floating point math coded in assembler with floating point coprocessor calls. Jonathan knows about this. 5. Finally, arbitrary precision code that allows you to zoom all the way to 10^1500 power. (There are actually several versions of this in Fractint, if memory severs, so maybe this is 5. and 6.) Should probably add the formular parser which itself has integer math, C language floating point math, and floating point assembler. That would make alternative codings 6., 7., and 8. I haven't checked in an awfully long time, but I believe it is easy to code up a mandelbrot and julia that look exactlyt like Fractint's mandel and julai images, complete with Bert's idiosyncracies. With various fractint command line options you can render the default Mandelbrot with ALL these various coding schemes, and they all work nearly identically with the default Mandelbrot/Julia, with virtually every pixel the same color. (I say "virtually" because undoubtedly there is a pixel or two that gets color differently). Here's an assignment for Fractint lovers. Can somebody make a PAR file that makes the default mandelbrot using ALL the different code options I have mentioned? You'll have to dig out debugflag.doc. How many entries in the PAR file are there? Variations of parser formulas don't count - you are allowed one parser formula but you can use different fractint options to force the use ofd different code. So the image Bert generated with his idiosyncratic Mandelbrot/Julia implementation that he ran on an early model 386 (I had to argue with him to get him to add 286 support, because my machine was a 286) is the same image you get with today's fractint, even though the computer is totally different, and most of the code is totally different than the code he wrote. Now to complete the story, in December 2001 Jonathan Osuch notices the peculiarities of Bert's 1987 code, we have a brief email exchange that discusses backward's compatibility, then EXTRA EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT! VICIOUS RUMOR - FRACTINT TEAM THREATENS TO CHANGE BERT TYLER'S RENDERING OF THE MANDELBROT AND JULIA IN FRACTINT!!! Goodnight Folks! Tim As he heads to bed having spent a happy evening ROTFL :-) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: harry Subject: Re: (fractint) Vicious Rumor... Date: 08 Dec 2001 00:44:19 -0500 Hmmm... I'd just archive the 'old' software to support my old files if that were the case... H^) harry bissell "Paul N. Lee" wrote: > There has been talk from the Developer section of possibly modifying > FractInt to the point it might mean saved PAR files would not generate > the same image as it did when the parameters were saved. This would put > the issue of backwards compatability at stake. > > Apparently not enough individuals have demonstrated a public interest to > show the Developers that old PAR files are worth keeping. Any "artists" > out there concerned about their past works?? > > Sincerely, > P.N.L. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" -- Jihad Terrorism Conspiracy New World Order Revolution Black Helicopters Freedom of Speech First Amendment Rights: Carnivore Bait go ahead and READ my e-mail I have nothing to hide... how about YOU ??? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) non vicious non-rumors and humor Date: 07 Dec 2001 23:52:19 -0600 Tim Wegner wrote: > > I was trying to figure out whether to > chatise Paul for his "vicious rumor" > post or not. I do not mind, my skin has become quite tough from such in various other Lists and Forums. ;-} > > However I decided to applaud Paul instead > for livening up this sorta dead list with > some juicy stuff. That was my intention. Plus that Subject line does state it as a "rumor". ;-} > > EXTRA EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT! > > As he heads to bed having spent a happy evening ROTFL :-) They say one sleeps much better after having a good laugh before going to bed. :-) Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Osuch" Subject: Re: (fractint) Vicious Rumor... Date: 08 Dec 2001 08:12:22 -0600 > At this stage in Fractint's life cycle we certainly would not do > anything rash to break backwards compatibility. My suggestion for > Jonathan's original query would be to try to emulate Fractint's > idiosyncracies in Xfractint (except for integer math, that's a lost > cause.) That would be why the developer's version is at 20.2. Some time ago, I don't recall who or when, it was pointed out to me that the julia fractal was incorrect. The green ring around the default image should extend beyond the border of the image. At the time, I verified that it had always been like that and concluded that it must be correct. This was probably during the era of "The Bad Head Day". Bad_Head_Day? { ; Ever had one of those days? ; By Jonathan Osuch ; This is a slow one. ; Version 1921 Patchlevel 22 reset=1921 type=manlam(fn||fn) function=sqrt/cos passes=1 center-mag=+2.96853387542126300/+0.00038114232461102/26547.1 params=0/0/0.5 float=y maxiter=10000 bailoutest=real inside=0 logmap=11 colors=00e000L00<13>z00<2>p00l00h00d00a00<9>000<15>zX0<15>000<15>ut0<15>\ 000GA4<12>2v10z00w0<14>000<15>00z<3>00i00a<8>000<16>z0Xv0Vr0Tp0Sn0R<12>0\ 00<15>p0w<15>000<15>zzz<14>444 } So, this last weekend, I took the pentium mandelbrot code and ported it over to nasm to drop into the Xfractint code. That worked just fine until I started to compare the images generated with the Xfractint C code and what I had just ported over. There were problems with outside options and the julia images seemed wrong. I recalled that I had earlier fixed a problem with the julia code in Xfractint by moving the location of a decrement instruction (we decrement from maxit instead of increment from 0). This was to remove the black border around the image. Since I couldn't compare the image created by Fractint and the image created by Xfractint at the same time, I concluded I had fixed the problem. Being a slow learner, it wasn't until I compared the images generated by the two versions of the code on Monday or Tuesday that I concluded that something was seriously wrong. At present, I still consider the Xfractint code to be unstable and have not added backwards compatibility when I correct problems. The DOS version is the base version and I do add backwards compatibility when I have to when a fix changes how images are generated. Understand that this invariably causes a speed hit. In the future, the base code will have to be changed to Xfractint as more people get XP'd. Which, in all probability, Fractint in its current form will not run under. The Xfractint code needs to be ported to the djgpp compiler. In combination with incorporation of a graphics manipulation package such as Allegro, this will allow a pseudo windows version to run on the dreaded XP. This is a big project. If there is interest, I'll discuss this in more detail. Jonathan Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 08-12-01 (Fractal Saturday [5]) Date: 08 Dec 2001 10:30:13 EST FOTD -- December 08, 2001 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Now that we've safely weathered the impending Fractint backward incompatibility crisis, it's time for the ubiquitous FOTD. Due to the holiday decorating that must be done today, I have little time for a lengthy discussion, and the fractal itself rates only a 5, but the image is still worth at least a quick glance. The parent fractal, which combines portions of Z^(-1.87) and Z^(-18.7), is indescribable, as nearly all fractals are. One of its features is a prominent bud cut off by a single-and-double valley. Today's scene is located at the edge of one branch of the double half of the valley. I used the coloring option on both the inside and outside of today's image. The resulting terraced effect is impressive around the fringes of the image, but closer to the midget the terraces break down into a not-very-attractive area of chaos. This chaos can be reduced but not eliminated by rendering at a higher resolution than the standard 640x480. Unable to think of a descriptive name, I settled on "Fractal Saturday", which like a name such as "Symphony No. 25", merely catalogs the image. (Of course, the comparison is not exact. Creating a symphony requires much more effort than finding a fractal.) The 11-minute render time is a bit too slow for a merely average image. In today's case, the wiser choice is to download the completed GIF image from: or from: The fractal weather Friday was a big come-down from the day before. Cloudy skies and a temperature of 63F 17C are not ideal for cats, especially when combined with a chilly north breeze. Meeting with such imperfect conditions beyond the first door, the cats checked every other door, found the same conditions beyond all doors, then spent the day indoors, sulking. It took a treat of tuna to lighten their sullen spirits. And BTW, don't be surprised if the dynamic cat duo have their pictures posted in the not-too-distant future. Well, today is the day to begin the holiday decorations here at Fractal Central. And that's what I'm just about ready to do. Until next time, take care, and fractals are the art of God. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Fractal_Saturday { ; time=0:11:19.10--SF5 on a P200 reset=2002 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+1.51526872992240000/-0.074015609556275\ 80/43489.18/1/155/-6.50101500410116273e-011 params=1.5/-1.87/1/-18.7/0/525 float=y maxiter=2500 inside=fmod proximity=3 outside=fmod logmap=yes colors=000NHnMGmLFlKEkIDjHCiGBhFAfE9eD8dC7cB6bA5a9\ 5`96V97P98J99D9A79B1OLjPMhPMgPNfPNePOcQNbQPaQN`QN_\ QOYQMXRMWRKVRITRJSRKRRMQSOPSQNSRMSTLSUKSWJUYMV_OWa\ RXbTYdWZfY_h``jbblecngdpjerlftogvqhytizvgusftpesmd\ rjcqhaoe`nb_m_ZlXYkVWiSVhPUgMTfJSeHP`NMXTJTZGOdDKj\ AGp8CuFGnMKgSNaZRVeVOkYIfZKbZMZZOVZQQ_SM_UI_WE_YA_\ _BYYCXWDWUEVSETQFSOGRMHQKHOIINGJMEKLCKKADIAQJRbJgn\ JxlNsjRohVkgYgKJUZ53Y87XBAXDDWGGZ0zVLMR4xL5m5FAF5b\ A6S46HZ0zLj8F`7AQ74G6AKc4DNtvcehVSWNDJELWjZ0zAJQ4C\ Gf4jS5XD6JCX57O63F6kTndPgYMaRJVKFPDCI69CYW6PP6GJ67\ C6NabJWXFRSZ0zZGzZBzsm`Z0zZ0zLNIAEC9xi7maZ0z3SMPH0\ b6SJ6HNDiJCcGBYCAS99N58H27BKlc9RNM0iJ1dG2_D3VA3Q74\ L45G16BDIB9F96C82970X20S30O40J40F50A6j`P9Xr4JUHy80\ 360460460560560560660660bC0UA0M90E7GmQ_ktUelP_eKUZ\ EOR9IK4CDazHIYBiRjbOdWLZPITJFNCCH59Bd9C0uBH787fa5X\ U3OM1FK02v03o03h04bPJqOIp } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 07-12-01 (Golden Chrysanthemum [6]) Date: 08 Dec 2001 10:36:11 EST D. Freed wrote: >The [FOTD] site screams for a sight of: >"the dynamic duo"; "Cats of the fractal variety . . . . ." Your wish may soon be granted, along with a picture of . . . . . myself, no less! Jim M. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: Re: (fractint) Vicious Rumor... Date: 08 Dec 2001 07:41:49 -0800 At 08:56 PM 12/7/01 -0600, you wrote: >There has been talk from the Developer section of possibly modifying >FractInt to the point it might mean saved PAR files would not generate >the same image as it did when the parameters were saved. This would put >the issue of backwards compatability at stake. > >Apparently not enough individuals have demonstrated a public interest to >show the Developers that old PAR files are worth keeping. Any "artists" >out there concerned about their past works?? After reading all of the posts, it's still not clear to me exactly what would be affected. PARs are my only method of archiving image data (it used to be the case only for development work and layered images, but I have recently started stripping the data from GIFs I display on the Web). Thousands of images and thousands of hours of work would be lost, and this is certainly a grave concern. It would be all but impossible to go back though my PAR files and annotate which images work with which version of Fractint. Bud Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 07-12-01 (Golden Chrysanthemum [6]) Date: 08 Dec 2001 10:04:49 -0600 The fractal racoons in my back yard in Dallas have asked me to express their gratitude. Freed/ racoons JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > D. Freed wrote: > > >The [FOTD] site screams for a sight of: > > >"the dynamic duo"; "Cats of the fractal variety . . . . ." > > Your wish may soon be granted, along with a picture of > . . . . . myself, no less! > > Jim M. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: Re: (fractint) Vicious Rumor... Date: 08 Dec 2001 10:46:27 -0600 Mark asked: > After reading all of the posts, it's still not clear to me exactly > what would be affected. PARs are my only method of archiving > image data (it used to be the case only for development work > and layered images, but I have recently started stripping the > data from GIFs I display on the Web). Thousands of images > and thousands of hours of work would be lost, and this is > certainly a grave concern. It would be all but impossible to > go back though my PAR files and annotate which images > work with which version of Fractint. 1. The reset=1961 line in the PAR tells fractint (and you) what version created the PAR. 2. You can always save the current version of Fractint which renders correctly the vast majority of PAR files. Having said that, let me also say that we will never break backwards compatability in any future DOS versions. Future platforms are another matter, no one can say. 3. By now I should have made it clear that there is no special problem all of a sudden with backward compatability. It looks to me like Paul was having fun at everyone's expense with his "vicious rumor" post, and you all bit :-) Jonathan and I have been working together for a very long time, and the conversation that triggered this is little different than similar conversations we previously had in 2000, 1999, 1998, 1997, 1996, ..., the beginning of time :-) On a serious note, there was an article a few years back in the Scientific American on technological obsolescence. The article listed 50 years as the period of time after which it is practically impossible to read media. So much for getting your high school yearbook on a CD! Software ages very much faster. That's the real concern. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com Date: 08 Dec 2001 10:08:01 -0700 (EST) Message-ID: <200112080252_MC3-E9D4-E3B7@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: fractint Hi all, I got the following message, maybe you can help: >>I got those parameter sets from Bob, but I've lost >>touch with him over the last year, and I need to contact him again. I tried >>his genealogy1 address @ aol, but I never got a response. Have you >>corresponded with him recently, and if so, does he have a new address? >>Regards, >>Erik Reckase --Jochen Weber-- http://joweber.de Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: Re: (fractint) Vicious Rumor... Date: 08 Dec 2001 10:23:16 -0800 At 10:46 AM 12/8/01 -0600, Tim wrote: >... >On a serious note, there was an article a few years back in the >Scientific American on technological obsolescence. The article listed >50 years as the period of time after which it is practically >impossible to read media. So much for getting your high school >yearbook on a CD! Thank God it hasn't been 50 years since high school quite yet! ;-) Speaking of technical obsolescence, you can call me Stegosaurus. I'm still running Win 3.1 and DOS 6.0 on an AMD 80486 DX2/80. I'm also sending this via Eudora Light ver 1.5.2 (1995) and Trumpet Winsock 2.0 Rev B (1994) and a 56K dial-up modem. Hey, it all still works, and my ISP can't provide software that will work with my system. At least I'm running the most current version of Fractint! ;-) I guess *that* demonstrates where my priorities lie... Aloha, Bud Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Vicious Rumor... Date: 08 Dec 2001 08:48:06 -1000 On 8 Dec 01 at 10:23, Mark Christenson wrote: > Speaking of technical obsolescence, you can call me > Stegosaurus. I'm still running Win 3.1 and DOS 6.0 on an > AMD 80486 DX2/80. I'm also sending this via Eudora Light > ver 1.5.2 (1995) and Trumpet Winsock 2.0 Rev B (1994) > and a 56K dial-up modem. Hey, it all still works, and > my ISP can't provide software that will work with my > system. I've got a 25MHz AMD 80386 box sitting around here. Maybe I should set it up to grind away at deep zooms, and maybe check it once a month or so for progress? ;-) David gnome@hawaii.rr.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: harry Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 07-12-01 (Golden Chrysanthemum [6]) Date: 08 Dec 2001 13:57:04 -0500 How long will you take to render ?... or should we just download the gif file.... ??? ;^P H^) harry bissell JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > D. Freed wrote: > > >The [FOTD] site screams for a sight of: > > >"the dynamic duo"; "Cats of the fractal variety . . . . ." > > Your wish may soon be granted, along with a picture of > . . . . . myself, no less! > > Jim M. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" -- Jihad Terrorism Conspiracy New World Order Revolution Black Helicopters Freedom of Speech First Amendment Rights: Carnivore Bait go ahead and READ my e-mail I have nothing to hide... how about YOU ??? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Vicious Rumor... Date: 08 Dec 2001 15:45:03 EST Mark Christenson wrote: >Speaking of technical obsolescence, you can call me Stegosaurus. >I'm still running Win 3.1 and DOS 6.0 on an AMD 80486 DX2/80. >I'm also sending this via Eudora Light ver 1.5.2 (1995) and Trumpet >Winsock 2.0 Rev B (1994) and a 56K dial-up modem. Hey, it all >still works, and my ISP can't provide software that will work with >my system. If you're a stegosaurus, then I must be a Trilobite. I write the FOTD every day, using WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS (circa 1990). Jim M. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott D. Boyd" Subject: Re: (fractint) Vicious Rumor... Date: 08 Dec 2001 18:01:46 -0600 On Saturday 08 December 2001 12:23, Mark Christenson wrote: > Thank God it hasn't been 50 years since high school quite yet! ;-) > And it hasn't been 50 years for Tim, either! > Speaking of technical obsolescence, you can call me Stegosaurus. > I'm still running Win 3.1 and DOS 6.0 on an AMD 80486 DX2/80. I bet your setup runs really fast on that '486, right? You don't have all that multi-threading overhead and resource-hogging bulk of Windows 9x to bog you down. 8-) Scott Boyd Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: Re: (fractint) non vicious non-rumors and humor Date: 08 Dec 2001 21:51:21 -0600 What an excellent post for us late-comers. History, person's names, all kinds of interesting material here that would have otherwise vaproized in time. Any chance there could be a "Historical" section added to the Archives, to which this post be added???? IMHO, Fractint has long since had a life of its own, and is likely to outlive us all; its anecdotal history should be preserved: as educational for newcomers, informational for latecomers such as myself, as archival material for our kids/the kids who are its latest devotees. D. Freed + Dallas Fractal Racoon Society (membership = 4) Tim Wegner wrote: > I was trying to figure out whether to chatise Paul for his "vicious > rumor" post or not. > > My first thought was to take umbrage that he read a post I had made > on the developer's list then posted a somewhat hysterical > misrepresentation of it here. This thought lasted about 3 seconds, > maybe five seconds max. :-) > > However I decided to applaud Paul instead for livening up this sorta > dead list with some juicy stuff. If I had a payroll I would have to > put him on it to make posts like that It sure did bring out > some passionate replies in defense of new versions rendering people's > PAR collections accurately. > > Paul is totally and absolutely forgiven smile!> > > Maybe we should have a contest to find other weirdnesses of Fractint. > Can anybody state in clear mathematical language EXACTLY what > fractint is doing with the default mandelbrot and julia algorithms? > > This is amusing really, because Bert Tyler never claimed to be a > theorist, mathematician, or to have a deep knowlefdge of fractals. He > was an expert programmer in assembler. He liked "stylish blue" for > the background, so he didn't start with color 0 (black) but with > color 1 (blue in the default palette). As you can see, an initial > iteration gets skipped because as a programmer Bert saw that > 0*0 + c = c, so he decided to just start with z(0) = c rather than > z(0) = 0, and save one cycle. Bert's motivation was speed pure and > simple. > > This consternation about backward compatibility makes me chuckle. In > a few feverish nights of work in 1987 Bert coded the Mandelbrot and > Julia algorithm. Today, in 2001, 14 years later, the default image is > exactly the same as it was then. But the there are quite a number of > different routines in Fractint that all do the default mandelbrot. > > 1. Bert's original 386 32 bit integer math mandelbrot/Julia code. I > think it has been modified a little over the years by some people who > found ways to speed it up slightly. > > 2. 16 bit integer math. When you are calculating the default > Mandelbrot and low zoom ratios, Fractint actually abandons Bert's > code and uses 16 bit integer math! Fractint seamlessly "shifts" to > 32 bit integer math when the 16 bit precision limits is reached. > > 3. Floating point math coded in C. I probably wrote this originally. > (Don't try coding the Mandelbrot algorithm in C at home, it's hard, > remember, I really am a rocket scientist ) > > 4. Floating point math coded in assembler with floating point > coprocessor calls. Jonathan knows about this. > > 5. Finally, arbitrary precision code that allows you to zoom all the > way to 10^1500 power. (There are actually several versions of this in > Fractint, if memory severs, so maybe this is 5. and 6.) > > Should probably add the formular parser which itself has integer > math, C language floating point math, and floating point assembler. > That would make alternative codings 6., 7., and 8. I haven't checked > in an awfully long time, but I believe it is easy to code up a > mandelbrot and julia that look exactlyt like Fractint's mandel and > julai images, complete with Bert's idiosyncracies. > > With various fractint command line options you can render the default > Mandelbrot with ALL these various coding schemes, and they all work > nearly identically with the default Mandelbrot/Julia, with virtually > every pixel the same color. (I say "virtually" because undoubtedly > there is a pixel or two that gets color differently). > > Here's an assignment for Fractint lovers. Can somebody make a PAR > file that makes the default mandelbrot using ALL the different code > options I have mentioned? You'll have to dig out debugflag.doc. How > many entries in the PAR file are there? Variations of parser formulas > don't count - you are allowed one parser formula but you can use > different fractint options to force the use ofd different code. > > So the image Bert generated with his idiosyncratic Mandelbrot/Julia > implementation that he ran on an early model 386 (I had to argue with > him to get him to add 286 support, because my machine was a 286) is > the same image you get with today's fractint, even though the > computer is totally different, and most of the code is totally > different than the code he wrote. > > Now to complete the story, in December 2001 Jonathan Osuch notices > the peculiarities of Bert's 1987 code, we have a brief email exchange > that discusses backward's compatibility, then > > EXTRA EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT! > > VICIOUS RUMOR - FRACTINT TEAM THREATENS TO CHANGE BERT TYLER'S > RENDERING OF THE MANDELBROT AND JULIA IN FRACTINT!!! > > Goodnight Folks! > > Tim > > As he heads to bed having spent a happy evening ROTFL :-) > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Vicious Rumor... Date: 08 Dec 2001 18:44:31 -1000 On 8 Dec 01 at 15:45, JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > If you're a stegosaurus, then I must be a Trilobite. I > write the FOTD every day, using WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS > (circa 1990). Fastest wordprocessor on the planet. David who still has a copy of WordPerfect Executive gnome@hawaii.rr.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 09-12-01 (Spokes [5]) Date: 09 Dec 2001 09:26:40 EST FOTD -- December 09, 2001 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: I named today's fractal image "Spokes". The name was inspired by the four straight arms radiating from the traditional midget at the center. The arms are not workable spokes however, for they are an illusion, no more than infinitely divided fractal debris arranged into roughly straight lines. The parent fractal was created by adding 3 parts of Z^4 to Z^2. Because the formula was iterated with 1/C rather than C, the fractal is inverted -- an island in an infinite ocean, rather than a lake in an infinite continent. But the island is lined with the expected Mandelbrot buds along its shoreline, and two very distorted Mandelbrot midgets lie in the marsh-lands near the western shore. Today's image lies in a valley of one of these midgets. Studying the image, I could find nothing outstanding in it. Yet it's not really a below-average image. Undecided, I rated it an average 5. The image takes 46 minutes to render on my squeaky old Pentium 200mhz machine with the fan that needs to be nudged with a toothpick before it starts turning. Waiting this long a time is a rather heavy effort for such a mediocre result, but frustration may be avoided by letting Paul and Scott do the work and downloading the completed image from one of their FOTD web sites. Paul's site is at: and Scott's is at: The fractal weather Saturday featured a raw wind and steady cold rain from morning until dusk, eventually totalling around 1/2 inch (13mm). The fractal cats hate rain, they hate wind, and they hate cold temperatures such as the 39F 4C, which was all we could reach today. Needless to say, the dynamic duo were most unhappy, and sulked most all afternoon. A treat of warm tuna followed by a turkey treat was necessary to lift their spirits. My spirits are reasonably high now that the hard part of the seasonal decoration is finished. They are high enough in fact, that I might go searching for one of those elusive fractals. If I find one, it will appear as tomorrow's FOTD. Until then, take care, and be serene in an un-serene world. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Spokes { ; time=0:46:20.55--SF5 on a P200 reset=2002 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-1.881330206915339/+0.4805578993509941/\ 843933.2/1/40/1.76137477478355287e-007 params=1/2/\ 3/4/0/0 float=y maxiter=12000 inside=0 logmap=500 colors=000JHhJHiJHiJIjJIkKJkKJlKKmKKmKJnKJoLIoLIpL\ JqLKqLLrLMqKNpKOoKOnKOmKOlKOkKOjKOiKOhKOgKOfKOeKOd\ KOcFOeBOg7Oi3Ok4Oh4Nf5Md5Lb6J`6IZ7HX7GV8ET8DR9CP9B\ N77M9ALBCKCEKEGJFIIHKIIMHKOGMQGNSFPUEQWESYDT_DVaCW\ cBYeB_gA`i9bk9cm8eo7fq7hs6iu6ht7ht8hs8hs9gsAgrAgrB\ gqBfqCfqDfpDfpEeoEeoFeoGenGdnHdnIdmIdmJclJclKclLck\ LbkMbjMbjNbjOaiOaiPaiQahQ`hR`gR`gS`gT_fT_fU_eU_eVZ\ eWZdWZdXZdXccRccLccFcc9cc4cc5cc5ac6Xc6Nc7Ha7H`6H`5\ H_4H_3H_2HZ1HZ0HZ0K_1P`2U`2Za3ca4hb4rb5sc6wg6zh7ug\ 7pe8hf9cf9ZgAUgBPhBKhCKiDKiDKjEKjEPkBUl8Um6Um3Um1U\ m0Um0Ul9Th8Sd7Ra6RY6QU5PR4ON3OK3QI5RG6SG7UH8VI9WJA\ XKBYLDZMFZNH_OI`PK`QMaRObSPbTRcUTcVUdWWeXYeY_fZ`g_\ bg`dhafibgicijdkjelgfhdge`hbai_cjWekTglQimNknJmoGo\ pDqqAsrTusSwtRyuRzvQzwPzxOzyOzzNzzMzzLzzJzzLzzMzzO\ zzPzzRzzSzzUzzVzzXzzYzz_zz_zz`zz`zz`zz`zz`zzazzbzz\ bzzczzdzzdzzezzfzzfzzgzzh } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Coppin" Subject: (fractint) Jim's FotD Date: 10 Dec 2001 14:41:15 +0000 To all those who display Jim's Fractals... In the beginning, Jim's FotD didn't HAVE a rating... Then someone asked that each day's fractal be given a rating, so folk could decide whether to bother viewing it. Jim kindly obliged, but no website that I know of actually displays the fractal's rating until you are actually viewing the fractal! What is really needed is for this information to be on the main index pages... (Although I appriciate that this is NOT as simple to do as it might sound ;-) Thanks guys. Andrew. "But nothing can do EVERYTHING!" "Hey, this 'nothing' stuff sounds great - we should be using it!" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott D. Boyd" Subject: Re: (fractint) Jim's FotD Date: 10 Dec 2001 09:08:22 -0600 On Monday 10 December 2001 08:41, Andrew Coppin wrote: > To all those who display Jim's Fractals... > > In the beginning, Jim's FotD didn't HAVE a rating... Then someone asked > that each day's fractal be given a rating, so folk could decide whether to > bother viewing it. Jim kindly obliged, but no website that I know of > actually displays the fractal's rating until you are actually viewing the > fractal! What is really needed is for this information to be on the main > index pages... (Although I appriciate that this is NOT as simple to do as > it might sound ;-) > That sounds like a good idea Andrew! Wouldn't be all that difficult. I'll look into modifying my script to do that. I think it would be better if I added in the rating on the index page starting in the new year. For Paul it would probably be even easier, because he does his daily page manually. Later, Scott Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 10-12-01 (Fractopod Undulatus [5]) Date: 10 Dec 2001 10:01:33 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- December 10, 2001 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Having watched a lot of prehistoric animals with their incomprehensible scientific names on TV last evening, I decided to give today's image an incomprehensible name. I named it "Fractopod Undulatus", which I suppose translates roughly as "Fractal-footed undulating creature". Actually, it's a scene in a remote part of the infinite spiral of the Z^1.71+C Mandeloid. This simple formula draws a distorted but unexpectedly recognizable fractal, which resembles the classic Mandelbrot set rotated 135 degrees CW. Today's scene lies in a secondary valley of a tiny bud in the East Valley area of the parent, which in this case would more properly be called the Southwest Valley area. The thing about the image that strikes me first is the subtlety of the discontinuities. Usually, the midgets in fractals of fractional powers are torn apart by the unavoidable discontinuities, but in today's image, these breaks are located in places where they are barely noticeable. The image is filled with tiny yellow dots, which sparkle like stars throughout. Each of these tiny dots enlarges to a complex of elements similar to the one that surrounds today's midget. Undoubtedly, more midgets lie in these smaller complexes, though these midgets are almost certainly beyond resolution. Because the image looks so much like so many that we have seen so many times before, I could rate it no higher than an average rating of 5. But it's still worth at least a glance, even if not quite worth the 1/2 hour required to render it from the parameter file. The hassle of running the parameter file can be avoided by letting Paul and Scott handle the hassle, and downloading the completed GIF image from their web sites at: and at: The sun returned to Fractal Central Sunday, but the winds remained brisk and the temperature barely touched 50F 10C. Fractal cats, unlike their feral cousins, find such conditions too unpleasant to endure for longer than a few minutes. The dynamic duo grew sulky as the afternoon progressed, but forgot their troubles when the tuna appeared around sunset. And I'll forget *my* troubles when the day's work is finished. Unfortunately, the only way I know to finish work is to start it and keep going until nothing remains undone. So while I'm working, I'll say take care, and do flying birds ever get struck by lightning? Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ FractopodUndulatus { ; time=0:31:27.57--SF5 on a P200 reset=2002 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotBC1 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-0.441558671869633/-0.306673097759865/6\ 756444/1/-7.5/-1.33158752357864785e-008 params=1.7\ 1/0/-40/0 float=y maxiter=4800 inside=0 logmap=780 colors=00003C13C33C43E53E73F83F93GB3GC3IE3IF3JG3JI\ 3KJ3KI3JG3JF3JG4II4IJ4IK4IK4GM5GN5GO5GO5FQ5FR7FS7F\ S7EU7EV7EX8EX8CY8CZ8C`8C`9Ba9Bb9Bd9Bd89d9Bd9Bd9Bd9\ Cd9Cd9Cd9EdBEdBEdBFdBFdBFdBGdBGdBGdCIdCIdCIdCJdCJd\ CJdCKdEKdEKdEMdEMdEMdENdENeCMdENbEOaFQaFQ`GRZGSYGU\ YIUXIVVJXUJYUJYSKZRK`QMaQMaOMbNNdMNeMOeKOfJOhIQiIQ\ iGRjFRlERmESmCSnBUp9UqBVs9Uq9Sq9Rq9Qq9Oq9Np8Mp8Kp8\ Jp8Ip8Gn8Fn7En7Cn7Bn79m78m77m55m54m53l51l50l50l50l\ 80iB3fE4eG7bI8aKBZNCYQFVSISUJRXMOZNNaQKbRJaUKaVKaY\ KaZKa`K`bK`dK`eK`hK`iKZlKZmKZnKZqKZsKbtKhtEmt8st3w\ t0zw0yt0ws0uq0qn0nm0ml0ji0ih0hf0ed0db0ba0`Z0ZY0YX0\ VU0US0SR0RQ0QR0OR1NR1MR3KR3JR4IS5JR4JR4JQ3KO3KM1KK\ 1KK1MI0MI0MG0MF0NE0NC0NC0O90O90O70O50Q30Q30Q30Q10R\ 30R40R50S70R80Q90OB0OE0NG0MJ0MM0KO0JR0JS0IU1GX3FY4\ FZ4E`5Cb7Cd8Be99f99iB8jC7lE7mE7nG7pJ7qM7sO7tR7uU7w\ X7xZ7ya7zd7zf7zi8zl9znBzq } frm:MandelbrotBC1 { ; by several Fractint users e=p1, a=imag(p2)+100 p=real(p2)+PI q=2*PI*fn1(p/(2*PI)) r=real(p2)-q Z=C=Pixel: Z=log(Z) IF(imag(Z)>r) Z=Z+flip(2*PI) ENDIF Z=exp(e*(Z+flip(q)))+C |Z| Subject: Re: (fractint) Jim's FotD Date: 10 Dec 2001 09:27:18 -0600 Andrew Coppin wrote: > > To all those who display Jim's Fractals... > Actually, it is pretty simple to do for either Scott or I. But since most of those that people viewing the images are on the FractInt List, they receive the email long before the web pages are even built, so they should know the rating ahead of time. Like you do and anyone else reading this reply or your initial comment. :-) And then there is the other issue, how many times others have disagreed with what Jim feels the "rating" to be and what they think it should be. If the rating showed, would that influence your decision on whether you wanted to view the image from the website/s?? Or would you view them anyway?? I suspect that the regular viewers will look at each daily image no matter what the rating shows. And if someone is not going to view one strictly based upon what Jim thinks it rates (at the moment he picks a number), then they can stop the download before all of the image gets there, since that is the first part of Jim's posting (images are always slower). I have another question, Andrew, is there somebody that you know who basis there decision on what to view using the rating system?? Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Coppin" Subject: Re: (fractint) Jim's FotD Date: 10 Dec 2001 15:37:23 +0000 >From: "Paul N. Lee" >Reply-To: fractint@lists.xmission.com >To: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: (fractint) Jim's FotD >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:27:18 -0600 > >I have another question, Andrew, is there somebody that you know who >basis there decision on what to view using the rating system?? OK, will go crawl back under the stone from wence I came... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: the_juggernaut@juno.com Subject: (fractint) djgpp Date: 10 Dec 2001 13:32:31 -0600 I've only recently learned to program, and as I get better I would be very interested in porting Fractint to djgpp. But I'm not good yet, so I have a question: I have djgpp, and I'm trying to install the GRX graphics library. I read the instructions but I'm obviously not doing it right, because I have no graphics library yet. If anyone has any suggestions they would be much appreciated. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who likes DOS. Why can't microsoft just leave it alone? Why do I find myself loathing new software? Why must a step forward so often be accompanied by a step backward? It must be a new law of physics, conservation of progress. Jon K > In the future, the base code will have to be changed to Xfractint as > more > people get XP'd. Which, in all probability, Fractint in its current > form > will not run under. The Xfractint code needs to be ported to the > djgpp > compiler. In combination with incorporation of a graphics > manipulation > package such as Allegro, this will allow a pseudo windows version to > run on > the dreaded XP. This is a big project. If there is interest, I'll > discuss > this in more detail. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo M. Forno" Subject: Re: (fractint) djgpp Date: 10 Dec 2001 21:27:09 -0300 Well, I also love DOS for its command-line facility instead of point-and-click. Windows, with its icons, is in a way a step back to ideography (Egyptian letters, Japanese and Chinese ideograms). It is good for analphabets. However, I recognize that Internet without Windows is more complicated. I use either Windows or DOS according to the task to be done. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- Cc: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 4:32 PM > I've only recently learned to program, and as I get better I would be > very interested in porting Fractint to djgpp. But I'm not good yet, so I > have a question: > > I have djgpp, and I'm trying to install the GRX graphics library. I read > the instructions but I'm obviously not doing it right, because I have no > graphics library yet. If anyone has any suggestions they would be much > appreciated. > > I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who likes DOS. Why can't > microsoft just leave it alone? Why do I find myself loathing new > software? Why must a step forward so often be accompanied by a step > backward? It must be a new law of physics, conservation of progress. > > Jon K > > > > In the future, the base code will have to be changed to Xfractint as > > more > > people get XP'd. Which, in all probability, Fractint in its current > > form > > will not run under. The Xfractint code needs to be ported to the > > djgpp > > compiler. In combination with incorporation of a graphics > > manipulation > > package such as Allegro, this will allow a pseudo windows version to > > run on > > the dreaded XP. This is a big project. If there is interest, I'll > > discuss > > this in more detail. > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 11-12-01 (Cosmic Lyres [5]) Date: 11 Dec 2001 10:47:25 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- December 11, 2001 (Rating 3) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: In a world where every detergent cleans cleaner than every other detergent, when was the last time you heard the makers of a new product claim that their product was below average when they put it on the market? Doing so is almost unimaginable. Why then do I claim that today's FOTD is below average? The reason is that I believe in honesty in advertising. :-) Seriously, I've been thinking about the value of rating the FOTD's, as apparently others have also. I had almost no time to find a fractal, I had bad luck searching, and when I finally found a fractal, it turned out to be almost impossible to color pleasingly. As a result, today's image rates only a lowly 3. But why advertise the image's failures? I am not a self-critic. Anyone who runs the parameter file will soon notice the muddy colors and the scattered, unorganized features surrounding the midget. Maybe I'll stop rating the FOTD and let the viewers themselves rate the images. I named the picture "Cosmic Lyres", though maybe "Herring-bones" would be more appropriate. The render time of 15 minutes can be avoided by downloading the completed image from: or from: The fractal weather Monday was cloudy and cold, with a temperature of 44F 6.5C. The cats spent the day curled by their radiators, getting up occasionally to shout at me for food. I must now tend to the other work that needs to be done. But I'll return in 24 hours with another FOTD image. Hopefully, the next one will be a vast improvement. Until then, take care. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Cosmic_Lyres { ; time=0:15:36.15--SF5 on a P200 reset=2002 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+0.81134231972411620/-0.993186498565719\ 90/2864498/1/92.4999998551264611/-1.02795145250078\ 601e-007 params=-10/-1.3/-1/-13/0/525 float=y maxiter=2400 inside=0 logmap=209 colors=000SOcSOcSPcSPdSPdSQdRQeRReRReRRfRSfRSfRSgR\ TgRTgRUgRUhRUhRVhRViRViRWiRWjRXjRXjRXkRYkRYkRYlRZl\ RZlPYpRZlT_iV`eX`bZaZ`bWbbTdcPfdMheIjeFlfBng8ph4og\ 5of5nf5ne6me6md6ld7lc7kc7kb7jb8ja8ia8i`9h`9h_9hZ9g\ ZAgYAfYAfXBeXBeWBdWBdVCcVCcUCbUDbTDaTDaSD`SE`RE`QE\ _QF_PFZPFZOFYOGYNGXNGXMHWMHWLHVLHVKIUKIUJITJJTIJTH\ JSHJSGKRGKRFKQFLQELPELPDLODMOCMNCMNBNMBNMANL8MMANM\ CNMDOMFONGONIPNKPNLPONQOOQOQQORROTRPVRPWSPYSPZSQ`T\ QaTQcTQeURfURhURiVRkVSlURlVRlVRlWQlWQlWQlXQlXPlXPl\ YPlYOlYOlZOkZOjZNi_Nh_Ng_Mf`Me`MdaMcaLbaLbbLbbKbbK\ bcKbcKbcJbdJbdJbdIbeIbeIbeIbfHbfHbfHbgGbgGbhGchGdh\ FeiFfiFgiEgjEgjEgjEgkDgkDgkDglCglCllClmClmBlnBlnBl\ nAloAloAloAlp9lp9lp9lq8lq8lq8lr8lr7lr7ls7ls6kr7ls8\ ls9ls9lsAlsBlsBlsCmsDmsEmsEmsFmsGmsGmsHntIntJntJnt\ KntLntLntMotNotOotOotPotQotQotRpuSpuTpuTpuUpuVpuVp\ uWquXquYquYquZqu_qu_qu`rv } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: (fractint) Re: FOTD 11-12-01 (Cosmic Lyres [5]) Date: 11 Dec 2001 11:14:34 -0600 Jim Muth wrote: > > ...I've been thinking about the value of > rating the FOTD's, as apparently others > have also. ...... As a result, today's > image rates only a lowly 3. Ah, but that is only your personal opinion at the moment. Your mood and state of mind have a lot to do with your rating of images. At some other time, it might just have well been rated a 2, 4 or 5 (or even 3-1/2). > > Anyone who runs the parameter file will > soon notice the muddy colors.... That is only due to the brown and ochre colors that you have chosen to use. I tried adding some of the brighter palettes to see what effect it would have, and some were really quite interesting and nice. :-) > > Maybe I'll stop rating the FOTD and let > the viewers themselves rate the images. At least they would view each image that way, as opposed to some people not doing so if the number value was not up to whatever standard they set for themselves. I notice your own personal rating, but do not consider it when viewing the image, nor when setting up the web page. To me, it is just something you have used to go along with the "title". And I feel that titles are over rated in themselves. ;-} Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: (fractint) Re: Comments Re: FOTD 11-12-01 (Cosmic Lyres [5]) Date: 11 Dec 2001 18:35:27 -0600 Fellow Fractaliers of the bi-pedal and quadrupedal variety-

I think Jim's Titles AND (always conservative) Ratings are of value not only separately, but together:

1) the former giving we mere mortals and the Dynamic Duo a glimpse into what DIP switch the image flipped in Jim's associative cortex to attach words to the image (lots of psychobabble/neurophysiologic BS could be cited here re the neural networks which have been demonstrated to exist in the portion of the human visual cortex which is trained in childhood and adolescence to do the attachment of words to images),  and

2) the latter giving we mm's and the DD a different insight into the more conscious process involved w/ assigning a number to an image. Perhaps rather than "the Titles being over-rated in themselves", as PNL suggests, the Ratings are over-titled.

PNL has already noted the influence of the Fractal Weather on both Jim, the Dynamic Duo and his/their ratings. We already have little enough insight into what really goes on deep in the Command Bunker at Fractal Central, the true role played by the DDuo and the alleged Susan, etc, why would we want LESS information from the creator of the images??

I certainly don't know, nor can I imagine, anyone who - having already managed the Herculean task of lifting his/her fingers twice to get one of the sites like PNL's having pre-rendered images -  would then NOT click the mouse twice more to view the image merely because Jim rated it a "3", or gave it a name the potential viewer finds peculiar without even seeing the image which fostered it. I find the names as interesting as the images, and certainly more revelatory.

Since Jim's 3's are better than most of my "8" 's, it's a no-brainer - or perhaps I'm the no-brainer. Nevertheless, I and the "Querulous Quatro" (my backyard 4-pack of stout fractal racoons) vote for continuation of both Names and Ratings. If viewers want to add theirs, so much the better.

But please . . . . . . . . since the FOTD ain't broke, let's not fix it.

Freed/QQ
 
 
 

"Paul N. Lee" wrote:

Jim Muth wrote:
>
> ...I've been thinking about the value of
> rating the FOTD's, as apparently others
> have also.  ......  As a result, today's
> image rates only a lowly 3.

Ah, but that is only your personal opinion at the moment.  Your mood and
state of mind have a lot to do with your rating of images.  At some
other time, it might just have well been rated a 2, 4 or 5 (or even
3-1/2).

>
> Anyone who runs the parameter file will
> soon notice the muddy colors....

That is only due to the brown and ochre colors that you have chosen to
use.  I tried adding some of the brighter palettes to see what effect it
would have, and some were really quite interesting and nice.    :-)

>
> Maybe I'll stop rating the FOTD and let
> the viewers themselves rate the images.

At least they would view each image that way, as opposed to some people
not doing so if the number value was not up to whatever standard they
set for themselves.

I notice your own personal rating, but do not consider it when viewing
the image, nor when setting up the web page.  To me, it is just
something you have used to go along with the "title".  And I feel that
titles are over rated in themselves.    ;-}

Sincerely,
P.N.L.
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More of a comment in general on Anyone's title for something they have created. Which is why the majority of my images use file names such as UNTITLED-##, IMAGE##, or FRACT###. Having titles to images just lets the viewer see what the Artist saw when they named it, whether the artist was trying for that "scene" or named after the fact. And these titles rarely have an influence on what I see when viewing somebody's creation. (Though a few titles do cause me to try and see why they were named such.) I personally find it more interesting to see what the viewer sees in an image, than directing their viewpoint. > > ....to view the image merely because Jim > rated it a "3", or gave it a name the > potential viewer finds peculiar without > even seeing the image which fostered it. Actually, because I currently have about three years worth of Jim's FOTD postings on my web site, one particular title has caused an extreme amount of "hits" since it was made available: http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD_00-08-30.html Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 12-12-01 (Diamonds in the Rough [7]) Date: 12 Dec 2001 11:00:15 EST FOTD -- December 12, 2001 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Naming the FOTD images is like taking one of those Rorschach ink blot tests that were once so faddish. To find a name, I study the FOTD images, put my mind in idle (no problem), and write the first thing I think of. The only difference between the FOTD images and ink blots is that the FOTD images are family-oriented, and contain none of the dirty pictures that the ink blots are filled with. The ink blots are supposed to reveal not only a person's personality, but his intelligence and mood as well. How well the tests work is open to dispute, since a knowledgeable taker can play games with the test-giver, and intentionally 'see' the things in the ink blots that will make him appear almost any way he wishes the giver to see him. But still, the tests are fun, and when I name the FOTD, I do it in the spirit of taking one of those tests, revealing my humble nature, saintly personality, extreme intelligence, cosmic wisdom, and totally optimistic mood for all the world to see. ;-) As for rating the images, this is also mostly for fun, and being totally subjective, actually has little real meaning. I will continue rating the FOTD images according to my mood at the moment. But at any time, I may decide to discontinue the ratings, which no two people agree on anyway. In fact, I myself cannot agree with my own past ratings. Going beyond the details of naming and rating, today's image is a pleasant little affair, well worth a look. I named it "Diamonds in the Rough" when I noticed the four sharp-angled geometric features around the central midget, which bear a vague resemblance to crystals. The rating of 7 reflects my current mood more than anything else. The render time of 37 minutes is slightly more than the image is worth, but this shortcoming can be eliminated by downloading the completed image from: or from: The fractal weather today featured a cloudy damp morning, which gave way to a sunny mild afternoon with a temperature up to 55F 13C. This was good enough for the fractal duo, who enjoyed the afternoon on the porch, watching for intruding cats and wishing a bit more sun would filter through the holly trees. It's now time to settle down and get some work done. Until tomorrow and the next FOTD, take care, and enjoy another day. 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