From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: (fractint) test Date: 09 Aug 1997 15:21:15 -0600 Just seeing if this works. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: (fractint) Another test Date: 09 Aug 1997 17:03:57 -0600 Another test message. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: (fractint) Hello! Date: 09 Aug 1997 19:03:56 -0600 I see that Lee and Sylvie have arrived. Welcome? How does it look? Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Hello! Date: 09 Aug 1997 21:54:28 -0400 Tim, >>I see that Lee and Sylvie have arrived. Welcome? >>How does it look? OK, so far! lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) Hello! Date: 10 Aug 1997 03:29:31 -0400 Hi Tim, >> I see that Lee and Sylvie have arrived. Welcome? Thanks! >> How does it look? Maybe you could reformat the following paragraphs: >> The Majordomo software this mailing list uses provides a = >> suite of convenient >> utilities that you can utilize. And they're as simple to = >> use as sending e-mail. For further information, send an e- >> mail message to: ... >> You can contact the the fractint list administrator, Tim = >> Wegner, by sending = >> e-mail to: Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: (fractint) re: Hello! Date: 10 Aug 1997 09:42:40 -0600 Sylvie wrote: > Maybe you could reformat the following paragraphs: OK, thanks. Never mind my other message, our mail crossed I never did get an administrator message saying you were in "fractint", but I guess you are! The messages are changing this pass. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: (fractint) Welcome folks! Date: 11 Aug 1997 20:18:39 -0600 I see Jay and Noel have logged in. Welcome everybody! I suggest those of you already here make yourselves known :-) Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NOEL_GIFFIN Subject: RE: (fractint) Welcome folks! Date: 11 Aug 1997 18:24:19 PST Hi all, This is great! Finally a forum for all those fractint questions and technical talk. Cheers, Noel Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: (fractint) Questions about Les St Clair's par Gallery Date: 11 Aug 1997 18:23:39 -0700 Hi Fractint users: Here is my last post from the art list, it will be better served here. :-) Les wrote: >I especially don't upload my *images*, only par files. One reason is that >I have so many and the PAR format is so compact compared with decent >resolution GIFs. I do, however, claim copyright on my images. By circulating >them only as PAR files (which have to be generated by Fractint) the >copyright comment is there for the user to see. Les sent me par files for 52 images. It did not take long to look them over. Very nice. I replied to him with the following, which I am posting here because I have some questions about one of the formula. Hopefully, someone on this list can answer. The formula produces intriguing patterns - I currently use an example (Partwave, see below) as my screen back ground. -- -- Now folks, these are a great series, really. One of my favorite images is a variation, or a reverse zoom (zoomout) of Les' "Parting of the Waves (ti_mod07). What I like to do to these and FotD images is zoomout and look around a bit. See if there is some interesting mathematical implication or another nice image in another corner. I've put some of these explorations on my web page: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825 Parting of the Waves zoomout looks like a modified MSet image with rays going out all around, but some are under splotches. The cardioid has radial bands of color but all other components including mini-cardioid have circular banding. BTW, as a long time DEEPZOOMer(TM), I saw someone calling a 10^^300+ midget a minibrot. Well, in the age of nanotech, I suggest we call these nanobrots. :-) Here is the file for FRACTINT 19.6. I'd sure like to know what is going on here. I read formula tutorial and the fractint.doc and understand a some math. But that just does not seem to be enough for me. So please allow me a few questions. Questions: Why the rays? Zoomout shows it is related to the angle where c is. But how does z[n] map to these angles? That is, how does the final exit select a color based on angle? The rays are fractal, splitting as they approach the MSet. If you can follow one, you will end up at a mininbrot. Why the splotches? Zoomout even more and we see a band (width -45i to +45i) going from -inf to +inf. The band is made of these splotches which near the real line get so narrow that Moir? patterns take over. The splotches are mapped all over the image as you zoom in near the MSet. Why the banding in the components and where are the splotches? I would have thought the components would have them. And why is the cardioid different from all other components? It must be a bof60 thing. :-) Turning it off leaves the cardioid banded. And finally, if you zoom into a spiral, you often run smack into a round spot. An example is Blackhole (see below) where I follow a ray into a spiral and there it is, a spot blocking exploration which is unlike the splotches mentioned in the previous questions. Unlike the fake MSet zones of black which go away with higher iteration limits, this one is persistent. What is it? Can we make it smaller and even go away? Thanks, Les, for the great images! Hopefully Les St Clair or Jim Muth or some of the other experts can help me understand. Jay Partwave { ; By Jay Hill JAY.R.HILL@cpmx.saic.com ; Part wave, part matter ... reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=partwave.par formulaname=tent_in_mod function=abs/cos/cos/cabs center-mag=-0.705104/0/0.6911445 params=0/0/0.001/0 float=y maxiter=1500 inside=bof60 logmode=fly decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=GjzFeyEayDXxCTuBOsALo9Hl8Dh<3>43N31I21C106000301703B05D09F0DH0H<2\ >R0NV0PZ0Rb0Uc0Y<4>g0ph0tg0r<2>a0j`0hY0eX0cV0`T0ZR0VQ0UN0QM0P<3>E0DD0BB0\ 8906703500000020<13>0pO<10>0H8<93>B1L<7>ZAkbBxdCrhEzjFzgEyeCybBx_9uX8sU7\ oR5l<2>I2ZF1UC1O90I60C306203000<3>O82UA3ZC5cE7hG9lIBoKEsMGuOJxQMySPyTSzV\ VyTSySPxQMuOJsMGoKElIBhG9<7>00000010621C31I<3>7Bc8Dh9HlALoBOsCTuDXxEayFf\ z cyclerange=0/255 } comment! { ; Press F2 for additional info. and credits ; inspired by Les St Clair les_stclair@compuserve.com ; All images use "tent_in_mod" formula (included). ; Thanks to Sylvie Gallet for the original formula ; which was adapted from a BASIC program - ; "Tent Inside Man" by Malcolm Lichtenstein. ; Many of the color schemes used herein are ; from original maps by Linda Allison, Bob Carr, ; Sylvie Gallet, Lee Skinner and others :) } FRM:tent_in_mod { ; Modified Sylvie Gallet formula ; Modified tent_inside.frm (generalized by Les St Clair) ; use fn1,fn2,fn4=abs & fn3=cabs for default behaviour ; set p1=0, p2=0.001 for default behaviour IF (p1 || flip(p1)) r = p1 ELSE r = 1 ENDIF z = 0 : l = r+p1 z = z*z + pixel UV = (5,5) - fn1((5,5) - fn2(z)) r = fn3(UV) fn4(l-r) >= p2 && r < 4 } Blackhole { ; By Jay Hill JAY.R.HILL@cpmx.saic.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=partwave.par formulaname=tent_in_mod function=abs/cos/cos/cabs center-mag=+0.34394806924495650/+0.05607230604213421/6871.207 params=0/0/0.001/0 float=y maxiter=150000 inside=bof60 logmode=fly decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=GjzFeyEayDXxCTuBOsALo9Hl8Dh<3>43N31I21C106000301703B05D09F0DH0H<2\ >R0NV0PZ0Rb0Uc0Y<4>g0ph0tg0r<2>a0j`0hY0eX0cV0`T0ZR0VQ0UN0QM0P<3>E0DD0BB0\ 8906703500000020<13>0pO<10>0H8<93>B1L<7>ZAkbBxdCrhEzjFzgEyeCybBx_9uX8sU7\ oR5l<2>I2ZF1UC1O90I60C306203000<3>O82UA3ZC5cE7hG9lIBoKEsMGuOJxQMySPyTSzV\ VyTSySPxQMuOJsMGoKElIBhG9<7>000000<2>31I<3>7Bc8Dh9HlALoBOsCTuDXxEayFfz cyclerange=0/255 } And here is one reply so far: >The black, or brown in this case, hole at the center of the "Blackhole" >fractal will go away with little change to the rest of the image if >real p2 is changed from 0.001 to 0. >Jim M. Jay Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Martin <76440.1143@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (fractint) Making myself known Date: 11 Aug 1997 23:33:07 EDT Tim and all, Responding to Tim's request that subscribers to this list make themselves known - I am George Martin from the Detroit, Michigan area. I've been active on the CompuServe forum for years, and more recently a participant with the Fractint development team. I'm glad to see this list started - I know there's lots of good Fractint work being done outside of CompuServe, and I hope this list becomes a vehicle for all users to share their ideas and problems. Cheers, George Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Thomson Subject: (fractint) Re: Making myself known Date: 11 Aug 1997 22:44:10 -0600 In response to Tim's prodding :), I'll introduce myself. I work as a software engineer in computer graphics (we make a program to paint textures directly on the surfaces of 3D models for SGI workstations), and when I get some time I create whatever I can manage with fractals. I tend to explore the complex exponential julia sets (z <- lambda * e^z + c), among other things. I've only been using fractint for a short while; mostly I have been writing my own code and rendering techniques. I wrote the call for votes that created sci.fractals on usenet and its subsequent charter. That was a few years ago; now I avoid usenet because of all the spam issues, unfortunately. I've taken enough mathematics to be able to read (and understand! :) Beauty of Fractals, which is quite dense indeed. It took me a few courses in topology and fractals in general before I understood some of the things Peitgen talks about in that book. Until the last few years, I didn't have an IBM PC to play with fractint much, but I did sneak a few tastes on other people's computers. (I used to own an Amiga.) My interests are in the mathematics and rendering of fractals. I've written a little perl script that creates a DOS fractint batch file from a par file, if that is of interest to anyone. -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) Welcome folks! Date: 12 Aug 1997 10:12:41 -0400 Hi All, >> I suggest those of you already here make yourselves known :-) I am Sylvie Gallet from Drancy (France). Fractal addict for more than = 12 years, formula writer, beta tester... and (sometimes) math teacher. Cheers, - Sylvie PS: Here is a small gift: Gallet-9-02 { ; Sylvie Gallet, sylvie_gallet@compuserve.com, Aug 1997 z1 =3D c =3D pixel , mz1 =3D cabs(fn2(z1)) , k =3D real(p1)*mz1 bailout =3D real(p2) , z =3D imag(p1) : z1 =3D z1*z1 + c z1 =3D fn1(real(z1)) + flip(imag(z1)) , mz1 =3D cabs(z1) if (mz1 <=3D k) z1 =3D (z1 + 1) * p3 , mz1 =3D cabs(z1) endif if (mz1 < imag(p1)) z =3D z1^imag(p2) endif mz1 <=3D bailout } 6SG90219.GIF { ; . t=3D 0:02:0= 6.22 ; Copyright Sylvie Gallet, Aug 10, 1997 ; ; t=3Dcalc time using a Pentium 166 at 1600 x 1200 reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dgallet_9.frm formulaname=3Dgallet-9-02 function=3Dtan/sinh passes=3D1 center-mag=3D0.181592/0.135159/1.149304/1.0758/-85/-17.744 params=3D100/100/8/3/1.1/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D255 inside=3D0 decomp=3D= 256 periodicity=3D0 colors=3DaU0<23>CB0AA0AA0<28>XaIYbJZcKZcL_dM<28>yyxzzzzzz<29>smOrlMqkM<= 29>\ CC1AA0AA0<28>OSEOTEPUFQVG<29>xxxzzzzzz<29>i_3hZ0gZ0<4>bV0 cyclerange=3D0/255 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Welcome folks Date: 12 Aug 1997 17:05:38 -0400 Hi All, >> I suggest those of you already here make yourselves known :-) I am Lee Skinner from Albuquerque, New Mexico. Fractaholic and fractal= = artist since that first article appeared in Scientific American in the mi= s = '80s. When I discovered Fractint it was up to version 12.0. I see that Sylvie has posted an image 6SG90219.GIF. Very beautiful, = Sylvie - palm trees in snow?? Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Melissa D. Binde" Subject: Re: (fractint) Welcome folks Date: 12 Aug 1997 17:11:25 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Lee Skinner wrote: > >> I suggest those of you already here make yourselves known :-) > > I am Lee Skinner from Albuquerque, New Mexico. Fractaholic and fractal > artist since that first article appeared in Scientific American in the mis > '80s. When I discovered Fractint it was up to version 12.0. I'm Melissa Binde, going into my final year at Swarthmore College in Swarthmore, PA, then moving out to the San Francisco Bay Area of California to get a job :^). I play with Fractint in version 11 originally, but had been playing with fractals since sometime in the 80's somewhere. Just recently got access to a machine running DOS again so, after a 5 year hiatus, am able to use Fractint again. I use Fractint as a way of diffusing my need to be creative and a way to relax after a harrowing day at work. [or classes, in a few weeks :^)] -- Melissa Binde -- binde@cs.swarthmore.edu Outside the Asylum -- http://www.cs.swarthmore.edu/~binde/index.html Babylon 5 Weekly Column -- http://babylon5.miningco.com Satisfaction guaranteed, or twice your load back. -- sign on septic tank truck Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike or Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) Welcome folks Date: 12 Aug 1997 14:20:10 -0700 Hi! I'm Linda Allison. My husband actually discovered Fractint, and downloaded it in early 1995. I think he's sorry now. I spend so much time in the computer room playing with it! We live in Lacey, Washington, and there's not much unique to tell you! But nice to meet you all! Lee, you said that you saw a posting by Sylvie. Where did you see the posting? Linda Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Welcome folks Date: 12 Aug 1997 17:59:50 -0400 Linda, >>Lee, you said that you saw a posting by Sylvie. Where did you see the posting? It was in a postscript of her introduction message. If you got it, look = at it again and beyond her signature. I'll bet you overlooked i= t! Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: (fractint) Thanks to Tim and a Question on MMX Date: 12 Aug 1997 14:44:22 -0700 I'm happy that Tim Wegner finally got this mailing list started. It is a much needed Internet-wide forum for discussing Fractint-specific topics for those who can't or won't join Compuserve. The online world is inexorably moving to the Internet, even CompuServe, so forums limited to one service provider will slowly but surely fade into the sunset in the next couple years. Tim's mailing list is, as I understand it, the interim step in this inevitable evolution. As the administrator for the Fractal-Art mailing list (to subscribe, see my .sig below), I hope that both lists will be able to serve the fractal enthusiast community, each in their own unique ways. As some may know, I've sort of frowned upon overly Fractint-techie talk on Fractal-Art for various reasons I won't go into. Tim's list is the natural and appropriate outlet for such topics. And I do plan to post every once in a while to Fractint(-list) since I mostly use Fractint. With that, I'd like a definitive answer to my Fractint-specific question. Does Intel's new MMX technology affect the accuracy of Fractint, or does it have no effect? Has anybody here done actual tests? Thanks. Jon Noring Fractal-Art administrator _____________________________________________________________________________ OmniMedia Digital Publishing | E-Books: http://www.awa.com/library/omnimedia 9671 S. 1600 West St. | Digital/Fractal Art: (coming soon!) South Jordan, UT 84095 | 801-253-4037 | E-mail: omnimedia@netcom.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Two great mailing lists: FRACTAL ART, and ELECTRONIC BOOKS. To subscribe to either one, send e-mail to majordomo@aros.net and put the appropriate line in the body of the message: subscribe fractal-art subscribe ebook-list Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Thanks to Tim and a Question on MMX Date: 12 Aug 1997 17:22:11 -0600 Jon wrote: > With that, I'd like a definitive answer to my Fractint-specific question. > Does Intel's new MMX technology affect the accuracy of Fractint, or does it > have no effect? Has anybody here done actual tests? Oops! I've seen this question before I know very little about MMX, but I can think of no reason why MMX would affect Fractint in any way: Fractint makes no attempt to use any MMX instructions. This is hardly a definitive answer can anyone help? Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) Thanks to Tim and a Question on MMX Date: 12 Aug 1997 16:44:03 -0600 In article , noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes: > With that, I'd like a definitive answer to my Fractint-specific question. > Does Intel's new MMX technology affect the accuracy of Fractint, or does it > have no effect? Has anybody here done actual tests? It should be a no-op unless fractint uses any of the MMX instructions. -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) Welcome folks Date: 12 Aug 1997 19:07:52 -0400 Hi All, >> I see that Sylvie has posted an image 6SG90219.GIF. Very beautiful,= = >> Sylvie = Thank you, Lee! Linda, let me know if you want me to post it again. >> palm trees in snow?? Why not? Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Making myself known Date: 12 Aug 1997 18:10:59 -0600 Rich Thomson said: > In response to Tim's prodding :), I'll introduce myself. I guess I should respond to my own prodding I've been a Fractint developer since version 6 or so and am currently the developer team coordinator. Fractint development continues, but it's much slower than it once was. As always, we have more ideas than time or energy, but once in a while we get code contributions that prod us on, or find a burst of energy from somewhere. I am a software developer at the Johnson Space Center working for the United Space Alliance. I am a mathematician by training. I have written 5 Fractint-related books. The first several were best sellers when they came out in the early 90's. They all went out of print when Mitch Waite sold out to MacMillan. My favorite was Fractal Creations 2nd Edition. Because the book market is now so internet oriented, there is no hope for more books anytime soon, though if we ever port Fractint to Windows, there would be a small window of opportunity to do a book targetting whatever the latest and greatest Windows version is. At the present time I am very happy to NOT be writing :-) But I sure wish Fractal Creations was in print. It's a good book. It even has an appendix on hypercomplex fractals, my modest contribution to the literature. Things in the works at the moment for Fractint: There will be an "evolver" feature that fills the screen with thumbnails of variations that change a particular parameter. Robin Bussell contributed this, and several of us are helping with it. At long last we have some SOI (Synchonous Orbit Iteration) code that greatly speeds up some deep zooms. It is based on code by Michael Ganss, who wrote AlmondBread. This isn't too well integrated yet. What I obviously need to do is port the logic to arbitrary precision, since SOI is nmost useful for very deeps zooms, and since deeps zooms are slow and could use some speedup! It remains to be seen how well this would work, but I have high hopes. We can also make SOI function with any fractal types. Whether the algorithm will actually *work* with other than Mandelbrot/Julia is anyone's guess Well, that's enough for now. Tim Wegner Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Thomson Subject: (fractint) Re: evolver Date: 12 Aug 1997 17:19:40 -0600 In article <199708122322.SAA15386@raid2.fddi.phoenix.net> , "Tim Wegner" writes: > Things in the works at the moment for Fractint: > > There will be an "evolver" feature that fills the screen with > thumbnails of variations that change a particular parameter. Robin > Bussell contributed this, and several of us are helping with it. Cool! I was going to suggest this actually :) -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Thomson Subject: (fractint) Re: deep zooms Date: 12 Aug 1997 17:21:53 -0600 In article <199708122322.SAA15386@raid2.fddi.phoenix.net> , "Tim Wegner" writes: > At long last we have some SOI (Synchonous Orbit Iteration) code that > greatly speeds up some deep zooms. It is based on code by Michael > Ganss, who wrote AlmondBread. This isn't too well integrated yet. > What I obviously need to do is port the logic to arbitrary > precision, since SOI is nmost useful for very deeps zooms, and since > deeps zooms are slow and could use some speedup! It remains to be > seen how well this would work, but I have high hopes. We can also > make SOI function with any fractal types. Whether the algorithm > will actually *work* with other than Mandelbrot/Julia is anyone's > guess Deep Zooming and arbitrary precision math should just kick in automatically, right? When I zoom in to the deepest zoom supported by floating point (I have a P90/Win95 setup) the M-set looks fine, zoom in any deeper (tab shows "16 digit arbitrary precision" or something like that), then the screen draws in a constant color. Zoom back out again and the M-set comes back. I also have noticed that a bunch of the images in the various PAR files being distributed around compute out as a constant color screen for me. Does anyone else have this problem? If it would help, I can send someone a GIF file saved of one of my constant color screen situations. -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Welcome folks! Date: 12 Aug 1997 16:34:23 -0700 Hi all, I'm Jay R. Hill, Jay.R.Hill@cpmx.saic.com and http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825 and it is not a a phony identity as Paul Derbyshire suspected in sci.fractals. I first got on the net about 4 years ago when I was pushing DEEPZOOM and computing the area of the Mandelbrot Set (which I'm still doing, BTW it is at least 1.5063036). You think you have examined a lot of nanobrots, how about 65243? Here in San Diego, I have been glued by fractals to one computed screen or another since I first coded the MSet on my 8080 5 MHz 320x200 CGA DOS machine more than 10 years ago. The machines are what - 1000x faster and has that satisfied? NOT! Do any of you still have floppies storing fractals that took 2 days to compute (but now would take less than a minute)? And worse still, stored in EGA? Yuk! Oh well, we always think the latest image is the greatest thing but then we never look back. So many new ones appearing everyday. I do still have 'partwave' as my screen 'background' (see my web page) but Sylvie's might push it off for a few days. :-) Wooop! Er.... Oh OK, Sylvie's is now the wallpaper. May you have a fractal life. Jay Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: A M Kelley Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Making myself known Date: 12 Aug 1997 20:11:43 -0400 (EDT) I'm Alice AKA Chessiecat....I made my first fractal in February so I'm a newbie. My gallery is in the infinite fractal loop. I am probably the only person on the list who makes fractals on a 486. I am stuck at the point where I need to begin writing my own formulas. I've been stuck at that point for about 2 months now. So that's my big story.--Alice Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jay Perrett Subject: Re: (fractint) Welcome folks Date: 13 Aug 1997 01:35:01 +0100 Hi to all you fractint list pioneers, In reply to Tim's promptings let me tell you a bit about myself: Name: Robin Bussell. Location: Bristol, south west England. Physical attributes: height (lots), Hair (long), Grin (constant, hairy too), Glasses (round). Occupation: far too many things at once but mainly computer support. Current philosophical preoccupations: feedback, boundary conditions, randomness combined with the aforementioned. Fractal stuff: I first came across the marvels of the Mandlebrot set while playing with Transputers around 1984-5. I started coding fractals as a start in learning C coding for a project which has since been swept aside :-) . After discovering fractint at version 11 ish I embarked on a fanatical search for the source code amoung local BBS (hey! remember those? ) as a CIS account was out of reach at the time. Having achieved the holy grai, with teh assistance of some generous sysops I dove into the maze of code that is fractint and implemented my first feature.. autologmap! there then followed the freestyle mode for palette editor and with the help of the wonderously kind Dorothy Gibbs, sysop of pandoras box BBS, I made finally the credits of version 18. Since then I've thrown the image browser into the soup (marvellously reworked into something useable by Jonathan Osuch) an am working on another bizzare feature to be added real soon now! I'm a user interface hacking type dude rather than a mathematical boffin and have the most extreme respect for the rest of the team that hold the whole magnificent ediface that is Fractint together. Oh yeah and I still try and find time to generate some pretty images from time to time tough never approach the dizzy heights of the true masters ( LS, SG, BC, CP to allude to but a few... I'm sure you know who they are! ) Obligatory web page: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/robin.b2/olig/olig.htm Other interests: Kites (esp the large 'beach skiing' variety), old style analouge 'music' synthesis, reading far too much email :-) I've just completed a very pleasant summers night in the garden, coding fractint on a laptop by candlelight (and discovering that I can type 'makefrac' and 'f_errs.txt' in the dark by muscle memory alone :-) ) and drinking a variety of interesting bottled ales (variously organic and light, jacobean, dark and spiced, and even chocolated flavoured) I'd like to be able to say that this missive was keyed in thus but I couldn't get the phone line out there, maybe next time :-) Well think that about summs me up! any questions? Tim, on an administrative note, will this list be available in digest form? and what about archives available on the web? Cheers, Robin. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike or Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) Welcome folks Date: 12 Aug 1997 19:29:42 -0700 Yes, Sylvie! Please repost it! Linda Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Cole Subject: (fractint) Re: (Fractint) Welcome folks Date: 12 Aug 1997 19:44:59 -0700 > I suggest those of you already here make yourselves known :-) Hi, My name is Ed Cole. I'm a gardener by trade and an amateur Fractint enthusiast. Lee Skinner and Sylvie Gallet are my heroes, glad to see both of them here. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dougowen@mindspring.com (Doug Owen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Welcome folks Date: 13 Aug 1997 02:59:08 GMT On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:05:38 -0400, you wrote: >>> I suggest those of you already here make yourselves known :-) Hi folks. My name is Doug and I'm just another obsessed fractal fanatic. --=20 Later....Doug....(-:} http://www.zenweb.com/rayn/doug Thanks to PAN for adding Doug's Gallery to Surreal RAYn NEW images are being added, check often!!! http://members.tripod.com/~dlowen/index.html Typical Homepage Under Construction Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BrockBadge@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Welcome folks Date: 12 Aug 1997 23:39:42 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-12 22:07:29 EDT, the collection of monkeys affectionately known as mailing lists writes: >> I suggest those of you already here make yourselves known :-) After reading all of you other's's posts, I feel surely inadequate ! ... Okay here it is: My name: For purely superstitious reasons I do not give my name out over the Internet although anyone with any sleuthing could find it as it is not a secret I publish a mediocre webpage under my pseudonym at http://members.aol.com/brockbadge/ I live in Chattanooga, Tennessee. I have always enjoyed fractals (since I heard of them, anyway. . . see below). I discovered fractals on the net, um... sometime within the last 7 days, and subscribed to fractal-art because I saw that guy's sig ( i can never remember names ) and got Fractint 19.6 a coupla days later. ( WOULD have gotten it right away, but I can't seem to connect to spanky.triumf.ca in the morning :( And i subscribed to this list because . . . well because I'd like to use fractint for myself I guess, and to be free of having other people have to post their .par files for me. :) "Brock" --who can recognize the Mandelbrot set now-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fabian Labeau Subject: (fractint) Presenting myself... Date: 13 Aug 1997 00:11:55 -0300 My name is Fabian Labeau, I=B4m a MD and an admirer of the fractal art. I= like the work of Skinner, Muth, Carr, Park, Gallet and most of the artist in the fractal world. I=B4m trying to understand the basics of fractals (Isn=B4t= ease for me, remember that I=B4m not a mathematic, just a plain MD.) Many (if not all) the bioforms are fractals.=20 Well, that=B4s all. I=B4m from Buenos Aires, Argentina and my english= teacher is a guy called Tarzan, so forgive me and I promise to improve it. Saludos Fabian Labeau andros@impsat1.com.ar andros@interactive.com.ar flabeau@bigfoot.com http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/3792 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NOEL_GIFFIN Subject: Re: (fractint) Welcome folks Date: 12 Aug 1997 22:12:21 PST Hi Everyone, Following Tim's suggestion for introductions. I thought I would wait for a few days for people to join up before posting. My Name is Noel Giffin and I've had an interest in fractals from reading about them in Scientific American in the late 1980's. I played around in fortran originally creating my own fractal programs, making lots of mistakes and getting confused at strange results for awhile, before I really understood what I was doing. I switched to Fractint around version 15 because I couldn't resist the temptation of the formula parser. What, I don't have to compile every time? From the alt.fractals and then the sci.fractals newsgroups I came in contact with all these crazy people who were interested in this subject as well. I started an ftp archive for fractals in the early days of the internet and later turned that into the Spanky Fractal Database and webserver. Thanks again to everyone who has contributed and made it such a success. I maintain the Fractint web pages as well. Sorry if people here have emailed me and I haven't responded or not taken up all your material and ideas. It keeps me so busy, I barely find time to make any of my own fractals. I work at TRIUMF which is a 500 MeV cyclotron on the University of British Columbia campus in Vancouver, B.C. Canada. I've been working around computers since my college days in Ottawa, where I learned on DEC pdp-8 and IBM 1620 machines where 4k of core memory was something that you could hold in your hands and marvel at the maze of beads and wires. Life was so simple then. So what if it took two days to punch your program onto cards only to drop them on the way to the machine room. So that's what sequence numbers were for? I'm really glad Tim started this list. I've never had a CIS account and I've always felt a little like an outsider, knowing most of all the ideas and development for fractint was done there. I hope a little of the discussion and technical fractal topics will now spill over here as well. Cheers, Noel Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ramiro Perez Subject: Re: (fractint) Presenting myself... Date: 13 Aug 1997 02:02:21 +0500 (GMT) Hi Friends My name is Ramiro Perez, and I am a fractint enthusiast since the days on where the fractals (like lambdasines in BASIC) take long time to render and fractint came with a fast generation of fractals (in 8088 computers!) surprising (and helping!) all of us that tries to build programs for generating fractals in those days!! For me Fractint helped me to learn, discover and to explore fractals, since the days on where fractint fits perfectly in a 360kb diskette. The formula parser is the best invention that fractint has, and I took some fractals challeges with it, that you can see im my web pages, such as the escape time rendering of the IFS (the fern for example) or the Icons fractals (using zmag to plot the attractor) coded for the formula parser. Many thanks for making fractint, without it, the fractals don't where the same... By the way, my web pages are at: http://www.utp.ac.pa/~rperez/ Ramiro Perez Ramiro Perez Clare Nash . _/ . . System Adminstrator . * . _/ * PANNet * + . _/ _/ _/ . + . e-mails: . . _/ _/ _/ + . rperez@ns.pa _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ . rperez@keops.utp.ac.pa . * _/ _/ _/ . * rperez@listas.utp.ac.pa + + _/ _/ _/ * . . Web pages: . _/ . * http://www.utp.ac.pa/~rperez * _/ . + . . + Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wdelange@biochem.nl (Wim de Lange) Subject: (fractint) ParToBat Date: 13 Aug 1997 07:58:57 GMT With all the par files that are coming in through the different mailinglists, I put all those files including the formula's in one par file using the 19.6 files. I use partobat to make a batch file of these par files. The only problem is that partobat can't recognize the 19.6 FRM: format for including formula's. Does anyone know of a newer version, of how to reach the author of this little program? Groetjes, Wim de Lange _____________________________________ Internet: wdelange@biochem.nl CompuServe: 100142,604 _____________________________________ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Martin <76440.1143@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (fractint) ParToBat Date: 13 Aug 1997 04:30:50 EDT Wim, You wrote > I use partobat to make a batch file of these par files. The only problem is that partobat can't recognize the 19.6 FRM: format for including formula's. Does anyone know of a newer version, of how to reach the author of this little program? < Michael Peters (100041.247@compuserve.com) is the author of this very popular Fractint utility. Concurrent with the release of Fractint 19.6 he posted an updated version of partobat in the CompuServe forum; his new version recognizes that entries in parfiles beginning with "frm:", "lsys:" or "ifs:" are not image entries, and therefore does not write batch commands to draw them. I don't know if this latest version has been sent to Noel Giffin for inclusion in the Spanky Fractal Database, but if not, it should be. George Martin Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nicolas Guerin Subject: Re: (fractint) Welcome folks Date: 13 Aug 1997 10:41:46 +0200 > I suggest those of you already here make yourselves known :-) Hi, My name is Nicolas Guerin. I live in Grenoble, France, close to the French Alps. I've been a fractal enthusiast for a long time now, beginning at the end of the 80s on my Amiga. I am mostly interested in fractal programming: rendering techniques, code optimization, etc. I consider Fractint as THE fractal program, even though it is becoming somewhat outdated: no 32 bits support, dos only (and UNIX port), and basic user interface. I guess those issues will be discussed in this mailing list ;-) -Nicolas Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) Re: deep zooms Date: 13 Aug 1997 04:59:57 -0400 Rich wrote: >> I also have noticed that a bunch of the images in the various PAR >> files being distributed around compute out as a constant color screen >> for me. Does anyone else have this problem? If it would help, I can >> send someone a GIF file saved of one of my constant color screen >> situations. I don't have this problem but I can have a look. Send me a GIF and the= corresponding par. Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) Welcome folks Date: 13 Aug 1997 04:59:59 -0400 Hi All, >> Yes, Sylvie! Please repost it! OK Linda, here it is: Gallet-9-02 { ; Sylvie Gallet, sylvie_gallet@compuserve.com, Aug 1997 z1 =3D c =3D pixel , mz1 =3D cabs(fn2(z1)) , k =3D real(p1)*mz1 bailout =3D real(p2) , z =3D imag(p1) : z1 =3D z1*z1 + c z1 =3D fn1(real(z1)) + flip(imag(z1)) , mz1 =3D cabs(z1) if (mz1 <=3D k) z1 =3D (z1 + 1) * p3 , mz1 =3D cabs(z1) endif if (mz1 < imag(p1)) z =3D z1^imag(p2) endif mz1 <=3D bailout } 6SG90219.GIF { ; . t=3D 0:02:0= 6.22 ; Copyright Sylvie Gallet, Aug 10, 1997 ; ; t=3Dcalc time using a Pentium 166 at 1600 x 1200 reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dgallet_9.frm formulaname=3Dgallet-9-02 function=3Dtan/sinh passes=3D1 center-mag=3D0.181592/0.135159/1.149304/1.0758/-85/-17.744 params=3D100/100/8/3/1.1/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D255 inside=3D0 decomp=3D= 256 periodicity=3D0 colors=3DaU0<23>CB0AA0AA0<28>XaIYbJZcKZcL_dM<28>yyxzzzzzz<29>smOrlMqkM<= 29>\ CC1AA0AA0<28>OSEOTEPUFQVG<29>xxxzzzzzz<29>i_3hZ0gZ0<4>bV0 cyclerange=3D0/255 } Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thore Berntsen Subject: RE: (fractint) Re: Making myself known Date: 13 Aug 1997 13:13:33 +0200 Do You know when the next release of Fractint will be? I really liked the idea behind the "evolver" feature! Thore Berntsen Norway >---------- >From: Tim Wegner[SMTP:twegner@phoenix.net] >Sent: 13. august 1997 02:10 >To: fractint@mail.xmission.com >Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Making myself known > >Rich Thomson said: > >> In response to Tim's prodding :), I'll introduce myself. > >I guess I should respond to my own prodding > >I've been a Fractint developer since version 6 or so and am >currently the developer team coordinator. Fractint development >continues, but it's much slower than it once was. As always, we have >more ideas than time or energy, but once in a while we get code >contributions that prod us on, or find a burst of energy from >somewhere. > >I am a software developer at the Johnson Space Center working for >the United Space Alliance. I am a mathematician by training. I have >written 5 Fractint-related books. The first several were best sellers >when they came out in the early 90's. They all went out of print when >Mitch Waite sold out to MacMillan. My favorite was Fractal Creations >2nd Edition. Because the book market is now so internet oriented, >there is no hope for more books anytime soon, though if we ever port >Fractint to Windows, there would be a small window of opportunity to >do a book targetting whatever the latest and greatest Windows version >is. At the present time I am very happy to NOT be writing :-) But I >sure wish Fractal Creations was in print. It's a good book. It even >has an appendix on hypercomplex fractals, my modest contribution to >the literature. > >Things in the works at the moment for Fractint: > >There will be an "evolver" feature that fills the screen with >thumbnails of variations that change a particular parameter. Robin >Bussell contributed this, and several of us are helping with it. > >At long last we have some SOI (Synchonous Orbit Iteration) code that >greatly speeds up some deep zooms. It is based on code by Michael >Ganss, who wrote AlmondBread. This isn't too well integrated yet. >What I obviously need to do is port the logic to arbitrary >precision, since SOI is nmost useful for very deeps zooms, and since >deeps zooms are slow and could use some speedup! It remains to be >seen how well this would work, but I have high hopes. We can also >make SOI function with any fractal types. Whether the algorithm >will actually *work* with other than Mandelbrot/Julia is anyone's >guess > >Well, that's enough for now. > >Tim Wegner > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) identity crisis Date: 13 Aug 1997 06:25:12 -0600 Hi Folks, Just to clear any misunderstandings, there is no 'jay perret' on this list, that just me using someone elses copy of netscape to send mail and forgetting to fiddle with the ID! So fear not, I'm really me, not him, and he's not me, or something..... (though there is another Robin Bussell in England who teaches computing at the university of Hertfordshire... he's not me either, not tall enough :-) ) meanwhile.... >>Do You know when the next release of Fractint will be? I really liked >>the idea behind the "evolver" feature! >>Thore Berntsen Thanks Thore! Well it's not going to be *too* soon I'm afraid but things are now emerging from the 'quick hack' stage (well 'two year fiddle' really ) and we're dealing with issues like stopping the evolver crashing everything when it's told to do something illogical, stopping it eating up all available memory, allowing save/resume operations and so on... in short all the things that make it useable by anyone without detailed inside knowlege of how it works (which is the whole driving point behind it ). I'm not going to make any promises as to time as that would be a foolish thing to do where software development is concerned.. just ask Bill Gates :-) Cheers, Robin. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Kolasa Subject: Re: (fractint) Welcome folks Date: 13 Aug 1997 08:25:24 -0400 My name is Dave Kolasa. I spend my days working with computers and most evenings my home pc is cooking up fractals - been using Fractint since version 13 or around there somewhere. Although I've been reading a few books per year about chaos and fractals it's still difficult to do more than begin to comprehend all the mathematics involved . . . Dave Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jpreslar@memphisonline.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Welcome folks Date: 12 Aug 1997 22:29:27 -0700 Hi . . . I am Janet Preslar from Memphis which is celerating, even as I write, Dead Elvis Week. Like Alice/Chessiecat I am a newbie and am still generating fractals on a 486. With any luck that may change in a few weeks. Many of you have been of great help to me (whether you know it or not) by your informative web-sites, posts to fractal-art, and inspiring galleries of work. Thanks for that and all the help I plan to ask for in the future ;) Janet http://www.ParkeNet.org/jp Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Martin <76440.1143@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (fractint) Wish list Date: 13 Aug 1997 09:08:11 EDT Friends, I'm doing some work on the memory management code in the formula parser. This would be a good time to make known any ideas you have for the parser. As with all wish list items, there is no guarantee that the proposed feature will be added right away, but at least I may be able to complete the work I'm doing now in a way that won't preclude implementation in the future. George Martin Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: (fractint) Welcome folks Date: 13 Aug 1997 09:29:55 -0700 (MST) >> I suggest those of you already here make yourselves known :-) > I am Lee Skinner from Albuquerque, New Mexico. Fractaholic and fractal >artist since that first article appeared in Scientific American in the >mid '80s. When I discovered Fractint it was up to version 12.0. What he said! I'm Kerry Mitchell, currently in Phoenix, AZ. Been doing fractals since that same SciAm article. Started with a Commodore 64, then graduated to computing fractal datafiles on a mainframe and downloading them over a 2400 baud modem to my Amiga. Now, I use mostly Fractint and my own codings (in QuickBASIC), along with Piclab (image processing program by the Stone Soupers). I'm an aerospace engineer by training and work as staff scientist at the Arizona Science Center. I've had the privilege of doing several museum and gallery shows, and have sold a few images for use on bookcovers. When I first found Fractint, v12, I thought that Stone Soup Group had foolishly mis-typed--it was *obviously* version 1.2; no good program could have *twelve* versions! :-) Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NOEL_GIFFIN Subject: RE: (fractint) ParToBat Date: 13 Aug 1997 10:03:03 PST Hi, Michael Peters sent me partobat v. 3.4 in May of this year. Partobat 3.4 ignores FRM:, LSYS:, and IFS: entries which can be part of PAR files in the forthcoming Fractint version 19.6. If there is a more recent version I haven't got it yet. Version 3.4 can be found at: http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/programs/ibmpc/partob.zip Cheers, Noel Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike or Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) Sylvie's Palm Trees Date: 13 Aug 1997 09:58:25 -0700 Thanks, Sylvie! It's beautiful! and Lee's right . . . palm trees in winter! Linda Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: Re: (fractint) Welcome folks! Date: 13 Aug 1997 13:19:23 -0400 (EDT) At 10:12 AM 8/12/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I suggest those of you already here make yourselves known :-) Greetings everyone, I am Jim Muth, fractal fanatic, graphic artist, writer and sometimes philosopher. I reside in a large, (too large in fact), East Coast city of the USA, where I spend most of my idle hours searching for those elusive great fractals. Those of you who are members of the Fractal-Art mailing list are already familiar with my work. It appears as the "Fractal of the Day", which I've been posting to that list for several months, and will continue doing so. But in addition to the artistic aspect, fractals also have a math- ematical and philosophical aspect, and it is these aspects which I will emphasize in my posts to this list. Like many of you, I learned about fractals from the articles which appeared in Scientific American Magazine in the 1980's. But it was not until 1987 that I actually began working with them on a clunky old 8088. Even now, I am still using a 486, but I am ready to purchase a new machine as soon as I determine which processor runs Fractint the fastest. My particular fascination with fractals lies in the fact that they are multi-dimensional. The assemblage of Julia sets comprises a four-dimensional object known as the julibrot figure. The assem- blage of perturbed Mandelbrot sets also comprises a four-dimensional figure, the same julibrot figure sliced from a different direction. But in addition to these two directions, there are four other perpendicular directions in which the julibrot may be sliced in two-dimensional slices. It is these other directions, as well as the oblique and skew directions of the julibrot that I am most interested in. Before I go, I'd like to tell my most wished-for Fractint feature -- a simple text editor included as part of the program. This would eliminate the constant switching of programs when fine-tuning formulas. See all of you soon. Take care. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) Sylvie's Palm Trees Date: 13 Aug 1997 15:23:20 -0400 Thanks Linda! Now, I hope that you'll post some of your wonderful pars= here! Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wdecker@csc.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Welcome folks Date: 13 Aug 1997 08:29:54 -0400 > I suggest those of you already here make yourselves known :-) Hi, my name is Bill Decker. I've been using Fractint on and off since the late 80's. Fractint has taught me lots about fractal math as it drew pretty pictures. It's good to see that there is now a list devoted to the program. (Thanks, Tim.) I hope to learn more as questions are asked and answers are supplied on the list. My interest is in Iterated Function Systems. IFSs are something that Fractint is not quite as useful for as it is with some other fractal types. This isn't a complaint, but it explains my on and off Fractint usage. Perhaps, as I get the time, I will propose some possible improvements to Fractint in this area. In the meantime, I have been working on my own software to investigate IFSs. While this means that I don't have as much time for Fractint as I used to, my continued interest in Fractint has at last moved me to add a feature to my IFS software to produce 19.6 par files. This will allow me to share my IFS creations with others. Anyway, IFSs continue to hold my fascination and I look forward to running into other IFS aficionados on this list who might share their IFS experiences with us. Bill http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/1450 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leslie St Clair Subject: (fractint) Re: Making myself known Date: 13 Aug 1997 18:15:44 -0400 Tim Wegner wrote: >>I suggest those of you already here make yourselves known :-) Hi, my name is Les St Clair. = I've been around CompuServe's GraphDev forum for a couple of years and it= 's a pleasure to be able to join the wider internet "Fractint" community via= this mailing list. I've conjoured up a special fractal to celebrate the occasion (it's at th= e end of this message for those with the patience to render it!). I'm an industrial (paint) chemist from Liverpool, UK (and just about old enough to remember The Beatles in their hay-day) Now living in North Wales and still having fun with fractals! cheers, one and all, = - Les acc_man_mod {; Modified Sylvie Gallet formula ; Modified acceleration_man.frm (generalized by Les St Clair= ) ; use fn1=3Dcabs, fn2=3Dabs for default behaviour ; set p1=3D0 and p2=3D0 for default behaviour z2 =3D r =3D 0: l =3D r, z =3D z2 z1 =3D z*z + pixel +p1 vel1 =3D z1 - z z2 =3D z1*z1 + pixel +p2 vel2 =3D z2 - z1 acc =3D vel2 - vel1 r =3D fn1(acc) r < 4 && fn2(l - r) >=3D 0.001 } am_mod07 { ; "Mandeldots" t=3D 1:43:44= =2E05 ; t=3Dcalc time [h:mm:ss.] using a PII-266 at 1600x1= 200 ; (c) 1997 by Les St Clair [Par date: Aug 13, 1997] ; e-mail to: les_stclair@compuserve.com reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dles.frm formulaname=3Dacc_man_mod function=3Datan/exp passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-0.83951030653773470/+0.54991016694909520/100.8836/1/-7.5 params=3D0.45/0/0.33/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D1000 inside=3Dzmag decomp=3D= 256 periodicity=3D0 colors=3DM08<7>U0AV0BW0BX0CY0C<2>`0Da0Db2D<14>zVF<14>b2Da0D`0D<3>X0BW0B= V0B\ U0BT0A<9>J06J06H06G06<15>kmn<6>D92<3>LG4OI5QK7<12>vlYxn_yo`zpa<9>`UGYRE= X\ QE<22>221000000<6>000000223556779AADFFJFFJ0KQ0KQNNTQQX<8>loslpr<14>OI5<= 1\ 1>pgTriVulYxn_zpa<4>jdWgaVcZT`WSYUR<4>HGM<11>724602702<15>L08 cyclerange=3D0/255 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peresich, Eugene A" Subject: RE: (fractint) Welcome folks Date: 13 Aug 1997 17:21:12 -0500 My name is Gene Peresich. Somewhat new to FRACTINT. Primary interest is fractal analysis methods, with some fractal image generation work. I'm looking for a source code - preferable C or FORTRAN - which computes fractal dimensions of 2-dimensional images - any method(s), but box count preferred - which I could adapt to incorporate into another program. Can you help? Thanks. Gene Peresich 76103.555@compuserve.com ---------- > I suggest those of you already here make yourselves known :-) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wdecker@csc.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Welcome folks Date: 13 Aug 1997 08:29:54 -0400 > I suggest those of you already here make yourselves known :-) Hi, my name is Bill Decker. I've been using Fractint on and off since the late 80's. Fractint has taught me lots about fractal math as it drew pretty pictures. It's good to see that there is now a list devoted to the program. (Thanks, Tim.) I hope to learn more as questions are asked and answers are supplied on the list. My interest is in Iterated Function Systems. IFSs are something that Fractint is not quite as useful for as it is with some other fractal types. This isn't a complaint, but it explains my on and off Fractint usage. Perhaps, as I get the time, I will propose some possible improvements to Fractint in this area. In the meantime, I have been working on my own software to investigate IFSs. While this means that I don't have as much time for Fractint as I used to, my continued interest in Fractint has at last moved me to add a feature to my IFS software to produce 19.6 par files. This will allow me to share my IFS creations with others. Anyway, IFSs continue to hold my fascination and I look forward to running into other IFS aficionados on this list who might share their IFS experiences with us. Bill http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/1450 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike or Linda Allison" Subject: (fractint) Just a few to warm up with Date: 13 Aug 1997 16:41:43 -0700 Just a .frm file and a few .par files to warm up with . . . -----------------begin frm file------------------------ 040797-001 { ;Linda Allison z = c = pixel: z2 = (1/z ^ p1) z = fn1(c * (1 - z2 ^ z2)/(1 + z2 ^ z2)) |z| <= p2 } -----------------end frm file-------------------------- -----------------begin par files------------------------ 4sg0001a { ; copyright Linda Allison ; gumbycat@ix.netcom.com ; uploaded to Fractint Mailing List 8-14-97 reset=1920 type=formula formulafile=gumbycat.frm formulaname=040797-001 function=log center-mag=-0.69011732429870110/+0.01098043688492994/813.7537/1.5588/-90\ .206/0.416 params=0.5/0/9/-9 float=y maxiter=500 inside=bof60 invert=-1/0/0 decomp=256 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=P56P56<6>eBB<14>I34G23F23E23<13>000<10>acgjln<9>_YRZXPYVNXTLVRI<3\ >PK7QK6<14>xn_<13>TN9RL7PK7PK8<14>nru<7>RSUOPQMNONON<8>nru<13>SNCQL9PK0Q\ K6<14>xn_<13>TN9RL7PK7PK8<14>los<3>ZacWY_STV<2>IJKEFGBBC778444000<14>F12\ G23H23J34K34<12>eBB<6>P56 } 4sg0001b { ; copyright Linda Allison ; gumbycat@ix.netcom.com ; uploaded to Fractint Mailing List 8-14-97 reset=1920 type=formula formulafile=gumbycat.frm formulaname=040797-001 function=log center-mag=-0.28876661007722490/+0.02039215611832126/2883.369/1.5021/-90\ .204/0.414 params=0.555/0/9/-9 float=y maxiter=500 inside=bof60 invert=-1/0/0 decomp=256 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=xn_<29>RL7QK6QK7QL9<2>UQHVSKXUO<9>los<9>788<3>222000001<10>21D22E\ 22F23G23I<7>37R37S48U58W<4>7Cd8De8De<27>SYvSZvT_wT_wSZv<27>BGfAFe9Ed8Dc7\ Cb<10>24K23J12H01F<8>019018017016016015014003001001<13>los<13>SNCQL9QL9Q\ L8QK7<24>tjWukXvlYxn_xn_xn_ } 4sg0001c { ; copyright Linda Allison ; gumbycat@ix.netcom.com ; uploaded to Fractint Mailing List 8-14-97 reset=1920 type=formula formulafile=gumbycat.frm formulaname=040797-001 function=log center-mag=-0.65593200000000000/-0.00006182920000000/141.6684/1.2105/-90\ .206/0.416 params=0.5/0/9/-9 float=y maxiter=500 inside=bof60 invert=-1/0/0 decomp=256 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=xn_<29>RL7QK6QK7QL9<2>UQHVSKXUO<9>los<9>788<3>222000100<12>F02G12\ I12J22K23<8>W64Y75Y75<11>hFCiGDjHEkIFkJF<18>ybVzdWzdW<24>fIDeHCdFB<7>X77\ W77V66T66S55<2>O33M22L22K22<18>100334<12>los<13>SNCQL9QL9QL8QK7<24>tjWuk\ XvlYxn_xn_xn_ } 4sg0001d { ; copyright Linda Allison ; gumbycat@ix.netcom.com ; uploaded to Fractint Mailing List 8-14-97 reset=1920 type=formula formulafile=gumbycat.frm formulaname=040797-001 function=log center-mag=-0.18739941260457370/+0.00764775423188314/1279.893/1.5588/-90\ .205/0.415 params=0.555/0/9/-9 float=y maxiter=500 inside=bof60 invert=-1/0/0 decomp=256 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=F7HF7HG7II8J<12>43G32G22G01F02H03J<9>09a0Ac1Ad2Be<12>IOxKPzKPy<11\ >DDgCCfBBeAAcAAa<14>000<13>los<13>SNCQL9QL8QK6<14>xn_<13>TN9RL7QL7PK8<14\ >nru<15>000200100000<14>99`AAcBAd<14>ZPz<14>3Be0Ac0Ab<13>01C00A00A<12>E6\ H } 4sg0001e { ; copyright Linda Allison ; gumbycat@ix.netcom.com ; uploaded to Fractint Mailing List 8-14-97 reset=1920 type=formula formulafile=gumbycat.frm formulaname=040797-001 function=tan center-mag=-0.0077202/-0.00106685/0.7957333/1.294/90 params=2/0/1/-1 float=y maxiter=500 inside=bof60 invert=-1/0/0 decomp=256 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=xn_<29>RL7QK6QK7<3>TPGURJWTM<12>npt<9>344222000<13>F02G12I12J22K2\ 3<8>W64Y75Y75<11>hFCiGDjHEkIFkJF<18>ybVzdWzdW<24>fIDeHCdFB<7>X77W77V66T6\ 6S55<2>O33M22L22K22<18>100334<12>los<13>SNCQL9QL9QL8QK7<24>tjWukXvlYxn_x\ n_xn_ } 4sg0001f { ; copyright Linda Allison ; gumbycat@ix.netcom.com ; uploaded to Fractint Mailing List 8-14-97 reset=1920 type=formula formulafile=gumbycat.frm formulaname=040797-001 function=log center-mag=-0.209061/0.000176802/37.68004/1.5588/-90.206/0.416 params=0.555/0/9/-9 float=y maxiter=500 inside=bof60 invert=-1/0/0 decomp=256 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=172<31>Uhc<2>O`XMYUKWRITOGQM<7>030<15>los<29>QL9PK7PK7PK7<4>VOBWP\ CYRD<18>tjWukXvlYxn_xn_wmZwmZ<27>SM8RL7QL7PK7PK7<2>QMBRNCSOETPG<23>kmq<1\ 5>030<14>Se`UhcUgb<27>394283172050172 } 4sg0001g { ; copyright Linda Allison ; gumbycat@ix.netcom.com ; uploaded to Fractint Mailing List 8-14-97 reset=1920 type=formula formulafile=gumbycat.frm formulaname=040797-001 function=log center-mag=-0.34436556537443820/-0.03765752837859245/335683.6/1.0816/-12\ 3.696/-14.245 params=0.555/0/9/-9 float=y maxiter=500 inside=bof60 invert=-1/0/0 decomp=256 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=xn_<29>RL7QK6QK7QL9<2>UQHVSKXUO<9>los<9>788<3>222000001<10>21D22E\ 22F23G23I<7>37R37S48U58W<4>7Cd8De8De<27>SYvSZvT_wT_wSZv<27>BGfAFe9Ed8Dc7\ Cb<10>24K23J12H01F<8>019018017016016015014003001001<13>los<13>SNCQL9QL9Q\ L8QK7<24>tjWukXvlYxn_xn_xn_ } -------------------end par file------------------------ Enjoy! Linda Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: RE: (fractint) Re: Making myself known Date: 13 Aug 1997 19:10:59 -0600 Thore asked: > Do You know when the next release of Fractint will be? I really liked > the idea behind the "evolver" feature! No one knows when the next release will be We release whenever the set of new features warrants and we have time to iron out bugs. We're fairly early in the development cycle right now. Maybe I shouldn't have tantalized you with upcoming features :-) I have thought of releasing more often. On the WWW many authors release beta versions every few weeks. However, I've heard the opinion expressed that this is a bad trend as it turns the public into beta testers and encourages sloppiness. While we have released versions with bugs that forced a new version in a few days, we try to keep Fractint as solid as we can. Also, since we are volunteers, more frequent release exposes us to the possibility of more support for versions that only last a short while. This is worth discussing more, maybe we could release somewhat more often than we have recently. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: (fractint) Archives and Digests Date: 13 Aug 1997 19:23:21 -0600 Someone asked about archives and digests for this list. I know little about this, because majordomo is new to me, but I have found out this much. For the archive, check out: I have checked this out and it seems to work. If you see people discussing some message posted before you subscribed, so you don't have a copy, just check the archive. There is also a digest list. If you subscribe to fractint-digest the same way you subscribed to this list, you will get digest messages with a number of messages combined. This reduces the quantity of messages you get at the cost of the size of the message. Plus, of course, you can't post to the digest list. I can set how often the digest messages go out etc., but so far I haven't changed the default way majordomo set this up. Looks to me like the archive is more useful than the digest idea. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jpreslar@memphisonline.com Subject: (fractint) Deleting and Renaming Date: 13 Aug 1997 20:36:23 -0700 Can someone help? Unless I misunderstand, the only way to delete or rename an image within Fractint is to use the browser which searches for related images. If I don't have a zoom based on the image I wish to delete, I must first zoom out and then delete the original image. Is this correct? If there's something I've missed, please clue me in. If there's not an easier way to delete and rename files, please consider this a request for an a future release. And I, too, vote for a text editor. :) Thanks, Janet Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Wish list Date: 13 Aug 1997 21:45:18 -0600 George suggested: > This > would be a good time to make known any ideas you have for the parser. One request is to be able to to do orbit fractal types with the parser. This might not be too hard. One idea I've had for a long time that probably will have to wait for a Windows or other 32 bit port is expanding the variables from 2D to 4D, and hooking up to a 3D renderer. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Re: Making my Date: 14 Aug 1997 01:03:42 -0400 Hi Les, >>am_mod07 { ; "Mandeldots" t=3D = 1:43:44.05 Nice image! Here's another that uses your formula: am04003 { ; Winter Wonderland t=3D = 0:12:46.66 ; on a P166 at 1600x1200 Aug 13, 1997 22:57:20 ; Image Copyright 1997 by Lee H. Skinner ver=3D1960 ; Formula courtesy of Les St Clair reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dfractint.frm formulaname=3Dacc_man_mod function=3Dcos/abs passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-2.04106180208431500/+0.04821000185698288/1279.783/1/-124.= 997 params=3D0.415/0/0.63/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D512 inside=3D0 decomp=3D110= periodicity=3D0 colors=3D000_cHZaF<21>QS4zn0zzy<3>zzvzzvxyv<12>Ufo<2>Fcb<2>ze0v0F<8>xjn= yor\ ytvzzzzww<8>xQXxNUxJSxGPwCM<2>gBGbADYCB<2>HI4<42>KgNLhOLfNKeMKcLJaK<29>= T\ JAUI9UH9VG8UF7<10>QD6QD6QD6QD6QD6<57>H77W_7<9>_cH_cHZbGZbG cyclerange=3D2/255 } Lee Skinner Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) Deleting and Renaming Date: 14 Aug 1997 05:10:31 -0600 On Wednesday, August 13, 1997 20:36:23 you wrote: > >Can someone help? > >Unless I misunderstand, the only way to delete or rename an image within >Fractint is to use the browser which searches for related images. I'm afraid so, though there's always the shell to dos key (d I believe), though you then have the task of remembering what that file name was. Don't forget you don't have to wait for the zoom out to actually finish so it can be quite quick to go pgup,pgup ctrl-enter, l,d,y,y... quick but ugly :-) The main problem here is lack of hotkeys to do the job as all the sensible ones were taken ages ago! Any suggestions for a key that you'd be happy with? Cheers, Robin. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) Just a few to warm up with Date: 14 Aug 1997 11:11:34 -0400 Hi Linda, >> Just a .frm file and a few .par files to warm up with . . . Very nice images. My favorites are 4sg0001b, e and f. Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) Re: Making myself known Date: 14 Aug 1997 11:11:35 -0400 Hi Les and Lee, >> am_mod07 { ; "Mandeldots" t=3D 1:43:44.0= 5 >> >> am04003 { ; Winter Wonderland t=3D 0:12:46.6= 6 Very nice images! Here is another one: sgammd03 { ; Mandelflower t=3D 0:15:2= 8.12 ; Copyright Sylvie Gallet, Aug 14, 1997 ; ; t=3Dcalc time using a Pentium 166 at 1600 x 1200 reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dtest.frm formulaname=3Dacc_ma= n_mod function=3Dtan/exp passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-1.71075179946902900/+0.33169348599296870/4.98529e+007 params=3D0.415/0/0.33/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D1023 inside=3D0 decomp=3D25= 6 periodicity=3D0 colors=3D7H6<10>Q9MS8OS8O<12>ZHYZIZ_J__K_`K``L`<9>bPd<4>wwb<22>wn4wm2wm= 2<2\ 8>sY6sX6rW7rV7qU8<19>Z8Kmsu<39>Yiu<8>R_JQYEOXE<4>GWEFVECVE<3>BTDBTDBSDB= R\ D<12>EHCAKA<14>HW5HW5HV5<19>FJ2FI2EH1DH1<6>2M20K0<2>5I4 cyclerange=3D0/255 } Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Melissa D. Binde" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: deep zooms Date: 14 Aug 1997 11:29:55 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Sylvie Gallet wrote: > Rich wrote: > > >> I also have noticed that a bunch of the images in the various PAR > >> files being distributed around compute out as a constant color screen > >> for me. Does anyone else have this problem? If it would help, I can > >> send someone a GIF file saved of one of my constant color screen > >> situations. > > I don't have this problem but I can have a look. Send me a GIF and the > corresponding par. Just to add my voice to this, I also have a similar problem, although I can't recall a particular one off the top of my head (since I tend to just give up :^). I had a possibly related problem of when I used the unix port, and saved a par file, if I tried to reload it, in either the unix port or DOS (19.6), it would compute out as a constant color screen. -- Melissa Binde -- binde@cs.swarthmore.edu Outside the Asylum -- http://www.terindell.com/asylum/index.html Babylon 5 Weekly Column -- http://babylon5.miningco.com How many developers does it take to change a light bulb? The light bulb works fine on the system in my office . . . Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) Wish list Date: 14 Aug 1997 11:22:42 -0600 In article <199708140257.VAA10009@raid2.fddi.phoenix.net> , "Tim Wegner" writes: > One request is to be able to to do orbit fractal types with the > parser. This might not be too hard. I'm not sure I understand the request? -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Hine Subject: (fractint) Howdy howdy howdy! Date: 14 Aug 1997 11:36:12 -0600 (MDT) Tim suggested self-introductions, so.... My name is Jason Hine, and I'm a recent graduate of Colorado State University, USA. I focused on Geographic Information Systems (GIS) and their applications to natural resources during my undergrad career. When i return to grad school, it will be to work on incorporating fractal theory into GIS. In the meanwhile, I'm working on a couple C++ programs which will work in conjunction with Fractint. The first program, already under construction, allows unmanned deepzooming into the mandelbrot (and possibly other) fractal(s). The first version of that program, called DEEPER, had some major bugs, including a hefty memory leak... the source code for DEEPER is available from my page at http://boralf.agsci.colostate.edu/~jason The second version, which I've just begun, will have a fair amount more functionality than the original, including some pattern recognition abilities which will allow the program to 'lock on' to a prime spot for a mini-Mset, and dive until it reaches it. I'll keep you posted. The other program, which is still only in my head, would take saved images of two mini-Msets and rotate/zoom one of them so that it matched the other in both size and orientation, allowing the user to then perform various operations with the two images to find differences and similarities between the two. I'm looking forward to the opportunities which this mailing list will provide us all with! If anyone else out there is into GIS, I'd love to hear from you personally. Take care, everyone! Jason Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ramiro Perez Subject: Re: (fractint) Wish list Date: 14 Aug 1997 13:10:07 +0500 (GMT) On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Rich Thomson wrote: > > In article <199708140257.VAA10009@raid2.fddi.phoenix.net> , > "Tim Wegner" writes: > > One request is to be able to to do orbit fractal types with the > > parser. This might not be too hard. > > I'm not sure I understand the request? > -- Hmm, probably that means that you can use the formula parser for strange attractors instead of the normal escape-time diagram..This is something that I waited for years.. Ramiro Perez Ramiro Perez Clare Nash + . . . . + System Adminstrator . * . * . PANNet * + . . + . . e-mail: . . + . * rperez@ns.pa * . . * http://www.utp.ac.pa/~rperez * . . + . . + Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) Wish list Date: 14 Aug 1997 12:13:03 -0600 In article , Ramiro Perez writes: > Hmm, probably that means that you can use the formula parser for > strange attractors instead of the normal escape-time diagram..This is > something that I waited for years.. Ah, so you could program the lorenz attractor by entering the formula for the 3 variables? Yes, that would be useful :) -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Making my (Winter Wonderland) Date: 14 Aug 1997 09:55:19 -0700 Lee, Oh my! No doubt you looked at the zoomout of your Winter Wonderland. This is a three cornered MSet or somehow very distorted one, not sure. I haven't seen one of these before. Jay -- -- int main(){float g,s,f,r,i;char*_="!/-,;<:!lnb/bh`r/ylqbAmmhI/S/x`K\n";int m,u, e=0;_[32]++;for(;e<3919;){u=(256*(s=(r=.0325*(m=e%80)-2)*r+(i=.047*(e/80)- 1.128 )*i)-96)*s+32*r<3?25:16+32*r+16*s<1?31:0;if(u==(s=f=0))do g=s*s-f*f+r;while((f= 2*s*f+i)*f+(s =g)*g<4&&++u<27);putchar(_[++e>3840&&m<25?31-m:m>78?32:u]^^1);}} am04003- { ; Winter Wonderland zoomout t=0:12:46.66 ; on a P166 at 1600x1200 Aug 13, 1997 22:57:20 ; Image Copyright 1997 by Lee H. Skinner ver=1960 ; Formula courtesy of Les St Clair reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=gallet1.par formulaname=acc_man_mod function=cos/abs center-mag=-0.936685/-0.165332/0.8255251/1/-124.997 params=0.415/0/0.63/0 float=y maxiter=512 inside=0 decomp=110 periodicity=0 colors=000_cHZaF<21>QS4zn0zzy<3>zzvzzvxyv<12>Ufo<2>Fcb<2>ze0v0F<8>xjnyor\ ytvzzzzww<8>xQXxNUxJSxGPwCM<2>gBGbADYCB<2>HI4<43>LhO<3>JaKJ`KK`J<26>TKAT\ JAUI9UH9VG8<4>TE7SE7SE6RE6RE6RD6<63>H77W_7<9>_cH_cHZbGZbG cyclerange=2/255 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hluna@interware.com.mx (Horacio Luna) Subject: (fractint) Hi Date: 14 Aug 1997 16:42:06 -0600 Hello all, my name is Horacio Luna, I use fractint since the first time I saw ita few years ago, but I didnt know about the mailing list... I hope I should do something usefull for the people in here, then I most comence: http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~stilti/images/chaotic_attractors/nav.html I think you'll enjoy this as I did, please take your time to browse the place (is not my home page) Best regards Horacio Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Deleting and Renaming Date: 14 Aug 1997 18:53:05 -0600 > If there's not an easier way to delete and rename files, please consider > this a request for an a future release. This is much requested by users, and much resisted by the usually-responsive developers The fact that Fractint still works at all is a technical miricale. It has grown many times bigger than the DOS 640K limit. (A trick called "overlays" permits this.) We're reluctant to add complications that are not essential because the program is already so big. If and when Fractint is ported to Windows (a new port, not the old Winfract) this would be easier to do. Having said that, if someone comes along who both wants more file management and editing from within Fractint AND has the programming skills to do it, it will probably happyen. In my case, I have a backlog of ideas going back years, and would rather spend my time giving you truecolor support, PNG support, better 3D rendering , or whatever than file management Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Wish list Date: 14 Aug 1997 18:53:05 -0600 Rich wrote: > Ah, so you could program the lorenz attractor by entering the formula > for the 3 variables? Yes, that would be useful :) This would be really easy, with one caveat: the formula parser uses complex math. Most Lorenz-type formulas use real formulas for x and y, so it would not necessarily be easy to code things up in the parser. Another related feature for the parser would be some kind of variable declarations that would permit real variables. In the meantime, it is probably possible to cheat and use the real() operator, wasting a complex variable and using it as a real variable. Inefficient, but effective. There is a crude way to do this now: use the orbits feature with a formula (the command.) I believe that this Lorenz fractal use of the formula parser would not be hard to implement. We've just never tried. The orbit feature (in jiim.c) does something very similar. That code could be stole3n and re-used with some modification to make an orbit fractal type using the parser. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: deep zooms Date: 14 Aug 1997 18:53:05 -0600 > I also have noticed that a bunch of the images in the various PAR > files being distributed around compute out as a constant color screen > for me. Does anyone else have this problem? If it would help, I can > send someone a GIF file saved of one of my constant color screen > situations. Help us poor programmers, folks, and give us specific instructions with enough information to duplicate the problem. Usually, if we can duplicate the problem, we can fix it. Just a littlke ol' PAR file is often enough. (PARs are save fractal parameters sufficient to re-generate an image. They are created with the command.) Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: Re: (fractint) Wish list Date: 14 Aug 1997 16:56:59 -0700 (MST) Here's my request: a spacebar toggle between user-defined "mandelbrot"-type and "julia"-type formulas. When I'm using my "myfract_man" formula and hit the spacebar, Fractint fires up the "myfract_jul" formula in the same formulafile, and uses the current center coordinates as the new parameters. And vice-versa. Just a thought. Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Wish list Date: 14 Aug 1997 19:09:11 -0600 Ketty wrote: > Here's my request: a spacebar toggle between user-defined > "mandelbrot"-type and "julia"-type formulas. Kerry, great minds think alike We have implemented something like this in our developer version. Only we did it my having a special designated parameter. In the z^2 +c formula, the Mandelbrot-Julia relationship makes use of two different uses of the parameter c. In the Mandelbrot case, it is initialized to pixel, and in the julia case it is a constant parameter. (I know you understand this basic point, I'm just trying to explain how we implemented your idea ) So we created a pre-defined constant ismand, which is 0 for julia and 1 for mandelbrot. You can use the new if else endif feature to test ismand, and initialize c differently in the two cases. The space toggle toggles the value of ismand. What do you think? (Lest anyone misunderstand, this hasn't been implemented yet in 19.6!) Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jpreslar@memphisonline.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Deleting and Renaming Date: 14 Aug 1997 19:17:15 -0700 I wrote: > > If there's not an easier way to delete and rename files, please consider this a request for an a future release. Tim responded: > This is much requested by users, and much resisted by the > usually-responsive developers Oh well it didn't hurt to ask. :) Janet Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Re: Making my Date: 14 Aug 1997 21:01:29 -0400 Jay, >>Oh my! No doubt you looked at the zoomout of your Winter Wonderland. Th= is is a three cornered MSet or somehow very distorted one, not sure. I haven= 't seen one of these before.<< Hey, if it weren't for surprises like this constantly cropping up, I woul= d have become bored with fractals years ago. There just seems to be no end= to the types of "landforms" or fractoids that appear on our screens! Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Re: Making my Date: 14 Aug 1997 21:01:30 -0400 Hi Sylvie, >> am04003 { ; Winter Wonderland t=3D 0:12:46.6= 6 > Very nice image! Thank you! >> Here is another one: >sgammd03 { ; Mandelflower t=3D = 0:15:28.12 Also cool! Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VRCH78B@prodigy.com (MR CHARLES F CROCKER) Subject: (fractint) Speed testing Date: 14 Aug 1997 21:25:16, -0500 Hi I am who Prodigy says I am. I can trace my downfall back to Aug of 1985 when Sci. Amer. came out with the first article for the public on fractals. After some false starts my first fractals were 64X64 plots using colored characters to represent pixels. Have gone through 5 printers up to now with a Cannon 4550. Haven't been able to get any good 11X14 paper yet so can't judge it. Have been very satisfied with an HP PaintJet XL. What I want to propose is a test that will tie a fractal speed rating to a computer. I have juggled the numbers in this parameter file to run in exactly 100 seconds on my Quantex Pentium 90. (Well, actually 100.02.) The formula is in the Orgform compilation but here it is in 19.6 form just in case someone doesn't happen to have it. test { ; P90 1024X768 time 0:01:40.02 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_p.frm formulaname=Prop passes=1 center-mag=+1.09809204844546600/+0.15284814152098180/77.28729 float=y maxiter=497 periodicity=0 colors=0000000e00eee00e0e00z<20>zzz<15>z44zg0z20z30zg0z50z60zg0z80z90zg0\ zB0zC0zg0zE0zF0zg0zH0zI0zg0zL0<38>zx0zz0zz0<150>zz0 } frm:Prop (XAXIS) { z=0 c=pixel: z=sqr(z); z=-z; z=conj(z); z=z+c, |z| <=4 ;SOURCE: crocker.frm } On an AMD DX4-120 it took 2:15.23. The Pentiums are obviously appreciably more efficient. The question is what about the newer Pentiums and other variations. I have been toying with the idea of getting an AMD K6-200. Rhe formula came from my first program where the ROM routine was supposed to subtract b from a but actually subtracted a from b, which reversed the sign of the real part of Z^2 on every itteration, which is the only difference from the classic Mandelbrot. It has perfect 3 way symmetry. Find an interesting detail and you can calculate precisely where 5 rotated copies are located. My favorite view of this formula is centered at (1.17484/.17799) Mag 109. The above color scheme was intended to go with this view. I balk at giving my pictures names. For one reason because several people have radically different impressions of what this may represent. Enough for now. My wish list is coming. Charles Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Les St Clair Subject: (fractint) Re: Making myself known Date: 14 Aug 1997 21:40:14 -0400 Lee & Sylvie, >> am04003 ; Winter Wonderland t=3D 0:12:46.66 >>sgammd03 ; Mandelflower t=3D 0:15:28.12 Super images, both! and on the same subject... HiJay, >>Lee, >>Oh my! No doubt you looked at the zoomout of your Winter Wonderland. >>am04003- ; Winter Wonderland zoomout t=3D0:12:46.66 Of course, the best thing about zooming out is finding interesting new areas to zoom back into am_mod11 { ; "Prairie Sunset" t=3D 0:33:36= =2E86 ; t=3Dcalc time [h:mm:ss.] using a PII-266 at 1600x1= 200 ; (c) 1997 by Les St Clair [Par date: Aug 15, 1997] ; e-mail to: les_stclair@compuserve.com reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dfract_ml.frm formulaname=3Dacc_man_mod function=3Dcos/abs passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-0.223332/-0.482707/16.5105/1/-124.997 params=3D0.415/0/0.63/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D512 inside=3Dzmag decomp=3D= 256 periodicity=3D0 colors=3D000vb0XIO<8>iRCjSBkT9lU8mV7nW6pX5<2>rZ2s_2t_1u`1ua0va0<2>wc0wd= 0xd\ 0xd1<5>ve5ve6ud7<2>sdBscCrcDqbFpbG<3>k`Mj_NiZPhYQfYR<3>aUW_TXZSX<2>UP_T= O\ _RN`QM`OL`<5>GF`EE_DD_CCZBBY<2>78V68U67T<4>23N13M12K12J<4>00C00B0090080= 0\ 7106105<2>302302411511620720<5>D60F61G71H82J93<4>QD7RE8TFA<2>XIDZJF_KGa= L\ IbNJ<2>gQNhRPiSQjTRlUS<2>oWWpXXqYX<2>t__t`_u``ua`vb`<6>xd_xd_weZ<2>weWv= e\ VvdUudTtdS<6>naJmaHl`Gk_F<4>dW8cV7aV6`U5ZT4YS3<4>QN0PM0NL0MK0LJ0<3>FE1E= D\ 1DD2<5>67756846A<2>24D23F13G12I02J<2>00N00P00Q00R00S<2>10W10X20X<2>41_4= 1\ _51`62`72`<5>E6`F7_H8_I8ZJ9Y<7>VHQ cyclerange=3D2/255 } =2E..sorry it's another s-l-o-w one. - Les Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Les St Clair Subject: Re:(fractint) Just a few to warm up with Date: 14 Aug 1997 21:40:17 -0400 Hi Linda, >>Just a .frm file and a few .par files to warm up with . . . By posting these I'm sure you've made a lot of people very happy! They're all lovely. Your web site has been a long standing favourite of mine. My vote for your next offering would be those wonderful "Egyptian Art" images from your pages of a few months ago. cheers, and nice to see you here, - Les Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike or Linda Allison" Subject: Re: Re:(fractint) Just a few to warm up with Date: 14 Aug 1997 19:45:08 -0700 Hi, Les! Thanks for the kind words! I'm glad you like them! Mike and I are heading out and about early tomorrow morning. But when we get back in a couple of weeks, I'll upload some "Egyptian pyramid" files. Talk to you all then, Linda Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BrockBadge@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: deep zooms Date: 14 Aug 1997 22:56:09 -0400 (EDT) --PART.BOUNDARY.0.28826.emout17.mail.aol.com.871613634 Content-ID: <0_28826_871613634@emout17.mail.aol.com.12989> Content-type: text/plain In a message dated 97-08-14 19:54:19 EDT, you write: << Help us poor programmers, folks, and give us specific instructions with enough information to duplicate the problem. Usually, if we can duplicate the problem, we can fix it. Just a littlke ol' PAR file is often enough. (PARs are save fractal parameters sufficient to re-generate an image. They are created with the command.) Tim >> Attached to this letter is a .PAR file with a few of the par's that you kind people have posted... It seems that the ones with "Sylvie Gallet" in them do not work for me. I must be missing something-- any help would be good. "Brock" --still not any good at this yet-- --PART.BOUNDARY.0.28826.emout17.mail.aol.com.871613634 Content-ID: <0_28826_871613634@emout17.mail.aol.com.12990> Content-type: text/plain; name="ACK.PAR" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable miranda { ; 25 min. on a 486-100mhz, 640x480 reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Djim.frm formulaname=3DManN-YW= passes=3Dt center-mag=3D-0.15465830123859140/-0.00347249203979191/1339.979/0.01381= /-0\ .113/8.126 params=3D0/-0.195/1.5/0/1/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D1600 bailout=3D100 inside=3D253 logmap=3Dyes symmetry=3Dorigin periodicity=3D= 0 colors=3D000MM0<34>bb0ccK<6>ffrggz<36>yyzzzzyyz<3>wwzvv0zw0zv0zu0zt0<8>= pp0\ oo0oo0<103>000000000000000<39>KK0IIPLL0MM0 } =0D frm:ManN-YW {; Jim Muth z=3Dreal(p1)+flip(real(pixel)), c=3Dimag(p1)+flip(imag(pixel)): z=3Dz^p2+(p3*c), |z| <=3D 16 } =0D newtjuli { ; 80 seconds at 100mhz, 640x480 reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Djim.frm formulaname=3DCrazyNe= wton passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-1.49337/0/0.7473842 params=3D2/-2/2/3/2/3 floa= t=3Dy bailout=3D100 inside=3Depsiloncross logmap=3Dyes symmetry=3Dxaxis periodicity=3D0 colors=3D000pqNMpWIvWzegll3Z0gSK7PO7MS7IZ8F`8Ca8<4>PbN<3>IsRcuq<5>KwVzj= Q<3\ >WsSOuSFtWGuUHvTHHM<4>HpR_tj<5>JwUQoZLsVilV<5>LvS1o59sHBKbDYZFjVWHx<5>J= q\ WkT9<4>MrPeLQTdRdAfTZZCSL<4>HrR_tu<5>JwWTBu4kE<3>FuQMgG<6>HuRwFUaaTDXq0= d\ v<5>VdDXP1NOm<6>jexE_UbjoWngOs_jhQ`mRRrS6sx<3>FwYpqm<4>NvVYCj<2>RUbzSRN= e\ ZLkWJqU9MD<2>FnP`8V<6>JqS57YZwrQwdl1P<2>PiSuWJ<2>RpQz9OnrDbtISvNAdS<2>G= s\ SaVZ<5>KsTbHU<5>KqSe1M<6>KpSlUqachRm_AfL<2>GsRd7FXPKPfO8Qt<5>FoZGsVKwV<= 5\ >HwSVWv<2>KpZfRdJvx<2>Hw_AZ3BGI<2>GlQfwe<2>NwVeCP<2>NkSfmOwpM } =0D frm:CrazyNewton { ; Jim Muth a=3Dreal(p1), b=3Dimag(p1), c=3Dreal(p2), d=3Dimag(p2), k=3Dreal(p3), f=3Dimag(p3), z=3Dpixel: zx=3Dz^b zy=3Dc*(zx*z) z=3D(d*zy+a)/(k*zx), f<=3D|zy-a| } =0D wondrlnd { ; 15 min. on a 486-100mhz, 640x480 reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Drotation.frm formulaname=3DXY-YZrotation passes=3Dt center-mag=3D-0.42242344048955660/+0.33751214265683580/102.5822/0.4334/= 171\ .912/-34.906 params=3D70/0/0/0/0.5/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D5000 bailout=3D= 100 inside=3D253 logmap=3Dyes symmetry=3Dxaxis periodicity=3D0 ranges=3D0/-1/150/200/250/350/500/750/1050/1500/2000/3000/5000 colors=3D000KFFUSSP``PbbPddSggUkkUnnUqqZttcwwmzz000<238>000`Yq000000 } =0D frm:XY-YZrotation {; Jim Muth, thanks to Benno ; p1 =3D rotation angle in degrees, p2 =3D parallel planes ; p3 =3D point of rotation and parallel planes z=3Dsin(p1*.01745329251994)*real(pixel)+p2, c=3Dcos(p1*.01745329251994)*real(pixel)+flip(imag(pixel))+p3: z=3Dsqr(z)+c, |z| <=3D 16 } =0D mask { ; 45 seconds at 100mhz, 640x480 reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Djim.frm formulaname=3DNewtTes= t03 passes=3D1 center-mag=3D8.88178e-016/-4.44089e-016/0.3177864 params=3D1/6/3/2.5/1/0.75 float=3Dy maxiter=3D90 bailout=3D100 inside=3D= bof60 logmap=3Dyes symmetry=3Dxyaxis periodicity=3D0 colors=3D000TLNSTMRaLPjK<5>QdiX`SdXA<2>lq8XtZGxy<2>gscOVALSBPVTACrXqHPu= USx\ hgd8<2>uDLYkPSiiUaD<2>00cYcA<2>EASdnE<2>hshWl4<2>6g7cjB<5>bRraNzcm4<4>e= l\ 8Xg7<3>1JK`h4<6>E7B_hA<6>27oT`MINc69udi7<6>qIU`k7<3>N_Lgd6<3>y5GanA<5>N= z\ l09tdmA<2>hnSfk6<5>xUMZg9<3>FKT_l7AEY58b02h<3>ILm<5>9RuXSIQXZHZeWoC<2>7= x\ `Wc1ci9<3>bTU<6>z3H<5>QPJQXTRebRnl<6>izMc6pWSYNmEOfUQZi<6>hx_EmPYhcrbs9= b\ r<5>8Mu<7>lLt<4>eK9gIn<4>C9U<3>RMv<6>sFxZEyDDzGYrJriB4T<3>_o0<4>SHG<2>`= f\ E<6>UOL } =0D frm:NewtTest03 {; Jim Muth, June 1997 a=3Dreal(p1), b=3Dimag(p1), c=3Dreal(p2), d=3Dimag(p2), k=3Dreal(p3), f=3Dimag(p3), z=3D(pixel): zx=3D(z^b)-a zy=3D(c*z)^d z=3Dz-(k*zx/zy), |zx| >=3D f } =0D SPIDERY { ; 2-1/2 MINUTES AT 100MHZ, 1024X768 reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Djim.frm formulaname=3DCrazyNe= wton passes=3D1 center-mag=3D0/0/0.6666667 params=3D5/5/1/2/2.75/2 float=3Dy= bailout=3D100 inside=3Dbof60 logmap=3Dyes symmetry=3Dxyaxis periodicity= =3D10 colors=3D000Vvi<5>avb<6>7gp<11>Z64<3>iLM<20>aWjaWkbVj<19>jBajAaiBb<18>_= Jd<\ 3>giWf3BgSLD3A<17>gmTHL2<10>biOTZr<8>B6PQNTccXtMF<5>wi7wm6vn9<17>kwl<21= >\ ULf<4>djT<6>d33<19>uFD<8>ZlM<4>Me2<4>C65<11>gnD } =0D frm:CrazyNewton { ; Jim Muth a=3Dreal(p1), b=3Dimag(p1), c=3Dreal(p2), d=3Dimag(p2), k=3Dreal(p3), f=3Dimag(p3), z=3Dpixel: zx=3Dz^b zy=3Dc*(zx*z) z=3D(d*zy+a)/(k*zx), f<=3D|zy-a| } =0D Gallet-9-02 { ; Sylvie Gallet, sylvie_gallet@compuserve.com, Aug 1997 z1 =3D c =3D pixel , mz1 =3D cabs(fn2(z1)) , k =3D real(p1)*mz1 bailout =3D real(p2) , z =3D imag(p1) : z1 =3D z1*z1 + c z1 =3D fn1(real(z1)) + flip(imag(z1)) , mz1 =3D cabs(z1) if (mz1 <=3D k) z1 =3D (z1 + 1) * p3 , mz1 =3D cabs(z1) endif if (mz1 < imag(p1)) z =3D z1^imag(p2) endif mz1 <=3D bailout } =0D 6SG90219.GIF { ; . t=3D 0:02:0= 6.22 ; Copyright Sylvie Gallet, Aug 10, 1997 ; ; t=3Dcalc time using a Pentium 166 at 1600 x 1200 reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dgallet_9.frm formulaname=3Dgallet-9-02 function=3Dtan/sinh passes=3D1 center-mag=3D0.181592/0.135159/1.149304/1.0758/-85/-17.744 params=3D100/100/8/3/1.1/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D255 inside=3D0 decomp=3D= 256 periodicity=3D0 colors=3DaU0<23>CB0AA0AA0<28>XaIYbJZcKZcL_dM<28>yyxzzzzzz<29>smOrlMqkM<= 29>\ CC1AA0AA0<28>OSEOTEPUFQVG<29>xxxzzzzzz<29>i_3hZ0gZ0<4>bV0 cyclerange=3D0/255 } =0D diadem { ; 5 minutes at 100mhz, 640x480 reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Djim.frm formulaname=3DMixMan2waypro passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-0.82941779696066540/+0.00000000000000020/128.4021/1/-90 params=3D2/0/0.002/0/-3/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D5000 bailout=3D100 inside= =3D253 logmap=3Dyes symmetry=3Dxaxis periodicity=3D10 colors=3D000FF6<7>774<13>eZ1g_1hb4<4>hpJhrMgsN<28>WydWydVxe<20>Glj<2>Y8= P<1\ 9>uIz<11>P6kN6jM7g<14>JB1<12>qh3<2>5f_<8>7eL7eK9dL<15>mQcoQdpSb<17>ujDu= k\ CshB<17>Q97<16>9hT<16>fB5HH7GG7 } =0D frm:MixMan2waypro {; Jim Muth z=3Dc=3Dpixel: z=3Dz^p1+(p2*z^p3)+c, |z| <=3D 100 } =0D frm:040797-001 { ;Linda Allison z =3D c =3D pixel: z2 =3D (1/z ^ p1) z =3D fn1(c * (1 - z2 ^ z2)/(1 + z2 ^ z2)) |z| <=3D p2 } =0D 4sg0001a { ; copyright Linda Allison ; gumbycat@ix.netcom.com ; uploaded to Fractint Mailing List 8-14-97 reset=3D1920 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dgumbycat.frm formulaname=3D040797-001 function=3Dlog center-mag=3D-0.69011732429870110/+0.01098043688492994/813.7537/1.5588/= -90\ .206/0.416 params=3D0.5/0/9/-9 float=3Dy maxiter=3D500 inside=3Dbof60 invert=3D-1/0/0 decomp=3D256 viewwindows=3D1/1/yes/0/0 colors=3DP56P56<6>eBB<14>I34G23F23E23<13>000<10>acgjln<9>_YRZXPYVNXTLVR= I<3\ >PK7QK6<14>xn_<13>TN9RL7PK7PK8<14>nru<7>RSUOPQMNONON<8>nru<13>SNCQL9PK0= Q\ K6<14>xn_<13>TN9RL7PK7PK8<14>los<3>ZacWY_STV<2>IJKEFGBBC778444000<14>F1= 2\ G23H23J34K34<12>eBB<6>P56 } =0D 4sg0001b { ; copyright Linda Allison ; gumbycat@ix.netcom.com ; uploaded to Fractint Mailing List 8-14-97 reset=3D1920 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dgumbycat.frm formulaname=3D040797-001 function=3Dlog center-mag=3D-0.28876661007722490/+0.02039215611832126/2883.369/1.5021/= -90\ .204/0.414 params=3D0.555/0/9/-9 float=3Dy maxiter=3D500 inside=3Dbof60= invert=3D-1/0/0 decomp=3D256 viewwindows=3D1/1/yes/0/0 colors=3Dxn_<29>RL7QK6QK7QL9<2>UQHVSKXUO<9>los<9>788<3>222000001<10>21D= 22E\ 22F23G23I<7>37R37S48U58W<4>7Cd8De8De<27>SYvSZvT_wT_wSZv<27>BGfAFe9Ed8Dc= 7\ Cb<10>24K23J12H01F<8>019018017016016015014003001001<13>los<13>SNCQL9QL9= Q\ L8QK7<24>tjWukXvlYxn_xn_xn_ } =0D 4sg0001c { ; copyright Linda Allison ; gumbycat@ix.netcom.com ; uploaded to Fractint Mailing List 8-14-97 reset=3D1920 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dgumbycat.frm formulaname=3D040797-001 function=3Dlog center-mag=3D-0.65593200000000000/-0.00006182920000000/141.6684/1.2105/= -90\ .206/0.416 params=3D0.5/0/9/-9 float=3Dy maxiter=3D500 inside=3Dbof60 invert=3D-1/0/0 decomp=3D256 viewwindows=3D1/1/yes/0/0 colors=3Dxn_<29>RL7QK6QK7QL9<2>UQHVSKXUO<9>los<9>788<3>222000100<12>F02= G12\ I12J22K23<8>W64Y75Y75<11>hFCiGDjHEkIFkJF<18>ybVzdWzdW<24>fIDeHCdFB<7>X7= 7\ W77V66T66S55<2>O33M22L22K22<18>100334<12>los<13>SNCQL9QL9QL8QK7<24>tjWu= k\ XvlYxn_xn_xn_ } =0D 4sg0001d { ; copyright Linda Allison ; gumbycat@ix.netcom.com ; uploaded to Fractint Mailing List 8-14-97 reset=3D1920 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dgumbycat.frm formulaname=3D040797-001 function=3Dlog center-mag=3D-0.18739941260457370/+0.00764775423188314/1279.893/1.5588/= -90\ .205/0.415 params=3D0.555/0/9/-9 float=3Dy maxiter=3D500 inside=3Dbof60= invert=3D-1/0/0 decomp=3D256 viewwindows=3D1/1/yes/0/0 colors=3DF7HF7HG7II8J<12>43G32G22G01F02H03J<9>09a0Ac1Ad2Be<12>IOxKPzKPy= <11\ >DDgCCfBBeAAcAAa<14>000<13>los<13>SNCQL9QL8QK6<14>xn_<13>TN9RL7QL7PK8<1= 4\ >nru<15>000200100000<14>99`AAcBAd<14>ZPz<14>3Be0Ac0Ab<13>01C00A00A<12>E= 6\ H } =0D 4sg0001e { ; copyright Linda Allison ; gumbycat@ix.netcom.com ; uploaded to Fractint Mailing List 8-14-97 reset=3D1920 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dgumbycat.frm formulaname=3D040797-001 function=3Dtan center-mag=3D-0.0077202/-0.00106685/0.7957333/1.294/90 params=3D2/0/1/-= 1 float=3Dy maxiter=3D500 inside=3Dbof60 invert=3D-1/0/0 decomp=3D256 viewwindows=3D1/1/yes/0/0 colors=3Dxn_<29>RL7QK6QK7<3>TPGURJWTM<12>npt<9>344222000<13>F02G12I12J2= 2K2\ 3<8>W64Y75Y75<11>hFCiGDjHEkIFkJF<18>ybVzdWzdW<24>fIDeHCdFB<7>X77W77V66T= 6\ 6S55<2>O33M22L22K22<18>100334<12>los<13>SNCQL9QL9QL8QK7<24>tjWukXvlYxn_= x\ n_xn_ } =0D 4sg0001f { ; copyright Linda Allison ; gumbycat@ix.netcom.com ; uploaded to Fractint Mailing List 8-14-97 reset=3D1920 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dgumbycat.frm formulaname=3D040797-001 function=3Dlog center-mag=3D-0.209061/0.000176802/37.68004/1.5588/-90.206/0.416 params=3D0.555/0/9/-9 float=3Dy maxiter=3D500 inside=3Dbof60 invert=3D-= 1/0/0 decomp=3D256 viewwindows=3D1/1/yes/0/0 colors=3D172<31>Uhc<2>O`XMYUKWRITOGQM<7>030<15>los<29>QL9PK7PK7PK7<4>VO= BWP\ CYRD<18>tjWukXvlYxn_xn_wmZwmZ<27>SM8RL7QL7PK7PK7<2>QMBRNCSOETPG<23>kmq<= 1\ 5>030<14>Se`UhcUgb<27>394283172050172 } =0D 4sg0001g { ; copyright Linda Allison ; gumbycat@ix.netcom.com ; uploaded to Fractint Mailing List 8-14-97 reset=3D1920 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dgumbycat.frm formulaname=3D040797-001 function=3Dlog center-mag=3D-0.34436556537443820/-0.03765752837859245/335683.6/1.0816/= -12\ 3.696/-14.245 params=3D0.555/0/9/-9 float=3Dy maxiter=3D500 inside=3Dbo= f60 invert=3D-1/0/0 decomp=3D256 viewwindows=3D1/1/yes/0/0 colors=3Dxn_<29>RL7QK6QK7QL9<2>UQHVSKXUO<9>los<9>788<3>222000001<10>21D= 22E\ 22F23G23I<7>37R37S48U58W<4>7Cd8De8De<27>SYvSZvT_wT_wSZv<27>BGfAFe9Ed8Dc= 7\ Cb<10>24K23J12H01F<8>019018017016016015014003001001<13>los<13>SNCQL9QL9= Q\ L8QK7<24>tjWukXvlYxn_xn_xn_ } =0D acc_man_mod {; Modified Sylvie Gallet formula ; Modified acceleration_man.frm (generalized by Les St Clair= ) ; use fn1=3Dcabs, fn2=3Dabs for default behaviour ; set p1=3D0 and p2=3D0 for default behaviour z2 =3D r =3D 0: l =3D r, z =3D z2 z1 =3D z*z + pixel +p1 vel1 =3D z1 - z z2 =3D z1*z1 + pixel +p2 vel2 =3D z2 - z1 acc =3D vel2 - vel1 r =3D fn1(acc) r < 4 && fn2(l - r) >=3D 0.001 } =0D am_mod07 { ; "Mandeldots" t=3D 1:43:44= =2E05 ; t=3Dcalc time [h:mm:ss.] using a PII-266 at 1600x1= 200 ; (c) 1997 by Les St Clair [Par date: Aug 13, 1997] ; e-mail to: les_stclair@compuserve.com reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dles.frm formulaname=3Dacc_man_mod function=3Datan/exp passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-0.83951030653773470/+0.54991016694909520/100.8836/1/-7.5 params=3D0.45/0/0.33/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D1000 inside=3Dzmag decomp=3D= 256 periodicity=3D0 colors=3DM08<7>U0AV0BW0BX0CY0C<2>`0Da0Db2D<14>zVF<14>b2Da0D`0D<3>X0BW0B= V0B\ U0BT0A<9>J06J06H06G06<15>kmn<6>D92<3>LG4OI5QK7<12>vlYxn_yo`zpa<9>`UGYRE= X\ QE<22>221000000<6>000000223556779AADFFJFFJ0KQ0KQNNTQQX<8>loslpr<14>OI5<= 1\ 1>pgTriVulYxn_zpa<4>jdWgaVcZT`WSYUR<4>HGM<11>724602702<15>L08 cyclerange=3D0/255 } =0D l_and_r { ; 1-3/4 minutes at 100mhz, 640x480 reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Djim.frm formulaname=3DMytest0= 8 function=3Dflip passes=3Dt center-mag=3D0.100959/2.44249e-015/0.5053182= params=3D1/0/0/-1/-0.5/1 float=3Dy maxiter=3D1200 bailout=3D100 inside=3D= 253 logmap=3Dyes symmetry=3Dxaxis periodicity=3D10 colors=3D000HABEB8GCCLCGMDDRLO<8>VVu<4>lXE<8>`lz<4>lWa<7>HgDDhABi7<2>Bc= JCa\ NC_QDYUDWY<5>GKtHIxHGz<9>QLzXVu<2>puW<15>ZyybsfenO<7>CpJ<9>bxpeysgzwjzz= l\ zzoyz<3>ztnzskzojzki<6>pMetNgB5jBj5Bjjj55j5jjQ5jjjQQQQQzQzQQzzzQQzQzzzQ= z\ zzNTb<2>rdIzhBmiBZjBKkBBkBFjG<4>ueczeg<6>z6y<3>qqvozv<6>VzQSzMRsR<4>NBj= <\ 2>VutMzlDzd<5>DzyDzz<6>XmMWePWYRWQT<4>QkQ<7>tJ5cMZOOz<4>YCgZAdbEf<3>rRk= <\ 5>NPj<5>kwoozoCbt<5>dMx_Pv } =0D frm:Mytest08 {; Jim Muth z=3Dfn1(pixel), a=3Dreal(p3), b=3Dimag(p3), c=3Da+(b*pixel): z=3D(((z^p1)*z)^p2)^(-p2)+c, |z|<=3D100 } =0D sgammd03 { ; Mandelflower t=3D 0:15:2= 8.12 ; Copyright Sylvie Gallet, Aug 14, 1997 ; ; t=3Dcalc time using a Pentium 166 at 1600 x 1200 reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dtest.frm formulaname=3Dacc_ma= n_mod function=3Dtan/exp passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-1.71075179946902900/+0.33169348599296870/4.98529e+007 params=3D0.415/0/0.33/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D1023 inside=3D0 decomp=3D25= 6 periodicity=3D0 colors=3D7H6<10>Q9MS8OS8O<12>ZHYZIZ_J__K_`K``L`<9>bPd<4>wwb<22>wn4wm2wm= 2<2\ 8>sY6sX6rW7rV7qU8<19>Z8Kmsu<39>Yiu<8>R_JQYEOXE<4>GWEFVECVE<3>BTDBTDBSDB= R\ D<12>EHCAKA<14>HW5HW5HV5<19>FJ2FI2EH1DH1<6>2M20K0<2>5I4 cyclerange=3D0/255 } =0D --PART.BOUNDARY.0.28826.emout17.mail.aol.com.871613634-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Deleting and Renaming Date: 14 Aug 1997 22:06:08 -0600 Janet sighed: > Oh well it didn't hurt to ask. :) Yes, by all means, it always pays to ask. We developers definitely respond to interested users :-) Just keep in mind we have so many ideas from ourselves and others, that we have to have priorities to stay sane ... well, at least maintain the present level of sanity :-) Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: deep zooms Date: 14 Aug 1997 22:31:28 -0600 Brock wrote: > Attached to this letter is a .PAR file with a few of the par's that you kind > people have posted... It seems that the ones with "Sylvie Gallet" in them do > not work for me. I must be missing something-- any help would be good. You are missing the "frm:" in front of two formulae. After fixing that, all the images work for me. The ones to fix are Gallet-9-02 and acc_man_mod; changes these formula names to frm:Gallet-9-02 and frm:acc_man_mod. Incidently, I do not recommend permanently storing formulas inside PAR files. This feature is just for convenience, to faciltate a quick look when you download. After you've had a look, it is best to separate the formulas and put them in their own file with the .frm extension, and remove the "frm:" from the formula names. Every fractint formula lover should get George Martin's orgfrm program and collection of formulas. It's on spanky.triumf.ca someplace, maybe someone could tell us exactly where. Fractint tries hard to find a formula, and will search all the formula files it can find. George's program will look through all your formulas and locate duplicates, and organize them. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Les St Clair Subject: (fractint) Speed testing Date: 14 Aug 1997 23:50:12 -0400 Charles Crocker wrote: >>What I want to propose is a test that will tie a fractal speed rating t= o a computer. I have juggled the numbers in this parameter file to run in exactly 100 seconds on my Quantex Pentium 90.<< >>test { ; P90 1024X768 time 0:01:40.02 >> On an AMD DX4-120 it took 2:15.23. The Pentiums are obviously appreciably more efficient. The question is what about the newer Pentiums= and other variations.<< Here's a comparison using a Dell PII-266: test_PIIa { ; PII-266 @ 1024x768 time =3D 0:00:48.34 ; Running under Windows 95 (106% faster) test_PIIb { ; PII-266 @ 1024x768 time =3D 0:00:47.24 ; Win 95/ "showdot" turned off (112% faster, switching showdot off speeds it up!) = test_PIIc