From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) reset=nnnn Date: 01 Sep 1997 00:08:42 -0600 Paul wrote: > I am curious as to what the "reset=nnnn" in Fractint does. If you think about it, you will realize that if fractint allowed the existing values of variables to affect a PAR, that you'd never get the effect the PAR author intended. So "reset" puts variables back to their initial default values. The "=" part is a version number, so that to the extent that fractint supports backwards compatibility for a specific feature that is changed, a PAR will render the same with later Fractint versions. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) reset=nnnn Date: 01 Sep 1997 01:34:27 -0400 (EDT) > >Paul wrote: > >> I am curious as to what the "reset=nnnn" in Fractint does. > >If you think about it, you will realize that if fractint allowed >the existing values of variables to affect a PAR, that you'd >never get the effect the PAR author intended. So "reset" puts >variables back to their initial default values. > >The "=" part is a version number, so that to the extent that fractint >supports backwards compatibility for a specific feature that is >changed, a PAR will render the same with later Fractint versions. > >Tim Aha! I thought something rang a bell about that 1960 one. Version 19.6 right? heh. :) -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael R. Ganss" Subject: Re: (fractint) 32bit version of fractint Date: 01 Sep 1997 10:58:10 +0200 (MET DST) Paul, > would find that helpful and pleasant. Also on the list of intended > features: the "disks" algorithm for rapid monochrome distance-estimator > images, the synchronous orbits algorithm (depends on feasibility and ease > of implementation/debugging, an early attempt of mine to code a > synchronous orbits algorithm on an Amiga resulted in guru meditation and > other bugs which proved overwhelming at the time), plug-ins (DJGPP DLM's As far as SOI goes, you might want to take a look at the DOS demo I have put together from the AlmondBread sources (both from the URL cited below). I don't think the "disks" algorithm is such an important feature to have (although it's great work by Yuval Fisher), since you only get a b&w image and I don't believe it's significantly faster than a boundary trace. Now, if you want to take Mandelbrot set drawing to the next level, IMHO you'll need component detection based on the work by Jay R. Hill in "The Future Use of Fractals" (Jay, I have finally received a copy of the book and I'll mail you soon about it). It's a far more advanced version of the inside disks algorithm described in "The Science of Fractal Images" (which, IMO, is infeasible to implement). Good luck, -- Michael R. Ganss Cooper: Look! Ducks! On a lake! Ahhh. rms@cs.tu-berlin.de http://www.cs.tu-berlin.de/~rms/AlmondBread/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) 32bit version of fractint Date: 01 Sep 1997 05:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Why do you claim the inside-disks are infeasible? As for component detection, I was already planning to have the basic Mandel formula blast both the cardioid and the biggest disk automatically. That would really speed up exploration of SH valley and elephant valley, two favored watering holes of fractal lovers everywhere. You seem to refer here to a generalized component detection. It sounds like this is meant to spot circles and cardioids anywhere. How would it work? I considered such a thing myself once. Once. It seemed infeasible, as to get components of period n requires accurately finding the roots of big polynomials... order 2^n I believe. If you know the center and radius of a circle, or the cusp point and opposite point of a cardioid, you can calculate away the whole thing and floodfill it. Another approach would be to spot the components other ways, but I can't think of one that isn't lossy. For example, draw a series of vertical lines down the image from points at the top. Stop each when it hits an inside point. What is the result? These points may be part of a circular arc that can be used to infer the circle. But the fractured landscapes of some complex formula types and the "perturbed" M-set (z_0 not critical) would "fool" it. And how to differentiate a cardioid, so as to at least ignore it? -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenny McAlpine Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal to midi Date: 01 Sep 1997 13:16:28 -0700 Graham Hill wrote: > > I would also love to see some sort of fractal music plugin if one were to > become available. If anybody's interested, my research group here at Glasgow University is concerned with making music using all sorts of dynamical systems, not just fractals. You can find out more at: http://www.music.gla.ac.uk/HTMLFolder/Research/MathsMus/mm-intro.html Kenny Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: henry birdseye Subject: (fractint) hi everybody Date: 01 Sep 1997 15:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Hello. I am new to the list, but a long time user of Fractint. I run a 233mhz PentII at home, and an SGI Onyx at work. I do image compositing to buy food using software called Flame. This setup makes it possible for me to easily create animations without all that tedious mpegging and avi'ing. My finished work is at digital video resolution. Another one of my favorite pieces of software is FAE which I use to create the .bat files for my projects. If any of you have any snappy .fae files worth rendering, I'd love to share some with you. Anybody else doing the same sort of thing? ----------------- Henry S. Birdseye Video Compositing Artist, Fractal Zoomer, Raytracer, Film Collector, Techno Head, .net addict www.mich.com/~ozymand www.prodcolor.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike or Linda Allison" Subject: (fractint) Gumbycat's home page Date: 01 Sep 1997 23:11:52 -0700 Hi, all! Geocities remodeled, and in the process they screwed up my URL! If you're looking for me at: http://www.geocities.com/~gumbycat and you can't get in, try: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519 Hopefully, GC will get straightened out soon, but who knows . . . Thanks, Linda http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519 http://www.fortunecity.com//tattooine/stephenson/5/abpf.html gumbycat@ix.netcom.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael R. Ganss" Subject: Re: (fractint) 32bit version of fractint Date: 02 Sep 1997 12:36:48 +0200 (MET DST) Paul, > Why do you claim the inside-disks are infeasible? I have repeatedly tried to implement this method and have each time come to the conclusion that Fisher's method does not work for arbitrary points inside M. For a lot of points it does work, but for some the algorithm yields a gross overestimation which IMO makes it infeasible to include in a general purpose Mandelbrot drawing program. But I'd love to be proven wrong (although I tried hard to implement it exactly as described). If you have succesfully implemented this method, please make it available (if you haven't done so already and I'm unaware of it). > As for component detection, I was already planning to have the basic > Mandel formula blast both the cardioid and the biggest disk automatically. > That would really speed up exploration of SH valley and elephant valley, > two favored watering holes of fractal lovers everywhere. Sure, that's a good speedup. > You seem to refer here to a generalized component detection. It sounds > like this is meant to spot circles and cardioids anywhere. How would it > work? I considered such a thing myself once. Once. It seemed infeasible, > as to get components of period n requires accurately finding the roots of > big polynomials... order 2^n I believe. If you know the center and radius > of a circle, or the cusp point and opposite point of a cardioid, you can > calculate away the whole thing and floodfill it. Another approach would be > to spot the components other ways, but I can't think of one that isn't > lossy. For any point c inside M you can find its component center through Newton iteration if you calculate the derivative of z and the period of c which is the period of the component. Then calculate Taylor coefficients for the mapping p:W->D. These coefficients, the center and the period make up a set of "parameters" which describe the component. Now if you suspect a point c to be inside M, calculate the approximate value of p(c) for a list of components you set up as you scan the image. If p(c)<1.0 then c is inside the component. In-depth coverage can be found in Jay R. Hill's article in "The Future Use of Fractals". I've had some success implementing this method (disks work beautifully), but I've had some trouble with the cardioids. As with SOI, this method should prove advantageous for very deep zooms. -- Michael R. Ganss Cooper: Look! Ducks! On a lake! Ahhh. rms@cs.tu-berlin.de http://www.cs.tu-berlin.de/~rms/AlmondBread/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) 32bit version of fractint Date: 02 Sep 1997 08:40:36 -0400 (EDT) > >Paul, > >> Why do you claim the inside-disks are infeasible? > >I have repeatedly tried to implement this method and have each time >come to the conclusion that Fisher's method does not work for >arbitrary points inside M. For a lot of points it does work, but for some >the algorithm yields a gross overestimation which IMO makes it >infeasible to include in a general purpose Mandelbrot drawing >program. But I'd love to be proven wrong (although I tried hard >to implement it exactly as described). If you have succesfully >implemented this method, please make it available (if you haven't done >so already and I'm unaware of it). What about outside disks? I tried those once and it sometimes overestimated...someone told me there was a slight bug in the algorithm as described in The Science of Fractal Images. I'd like pseudo-code for a working outside-disks. Perhaps the same thing is causing trouble with the inside disks! >> You seem to refer here to a generalized component detection. It sounds >> like this is meant to spot circles and cardioids anywhere. How would it >> work? I considered such a thing myself once. Once. It seemed infeasible, >> as to get components of period n requires accurately finding the roots of >> big polynomials... order 2^n I believe. If you know the center and radius >> of a circle, or the cusp point and opposite point of a cardioid, you can >> calculate away the whole thing and floodfill it. Another approach would be >> to spot the components other ways, but I can't think of one that isn't >> lossy. > >For any point c inside M you can find its component center through >Newton iteration if you calculate the derivative of z and the period >of c which is the period of the component. Then calculate Taylor >coefficients for the mapping p:W->D. These coefficients, the center >and the period make up a set of "parameters" which describe the >component. Now if you suspect a point c to be inside M, calculate the >approximate value of p(c) for a list of components you set up as you >scan the image. If p(c)<1.0 then c is inside the component. In-depth >coverage can be found in Jay R. Hill's article in "The Future Use of >Fractals". I've had some success implementing this method (disks work >beautifully), but I've had some trouble with the cardioids. As with >SOI, this method should prove advantageous for very deep zooms. Okay. But what is the mapping p? For a disk, it's (x,y)*const+(a,b) for the center a,b and radius const of the component. How do you determine, though, that it is a) a disk and not a cardioid, b) const and a and b, and c) what are the mappings for cardioids etc.? -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jacco Burger Subject: (fractint) Fractint bug? Date: 02 Sep 1997 17:51:59 +0200 This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_5C09693A.46274BBE Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I wonder if anybody has encountered this problem with saving an image to a parameter file. It occures when the bailoutest-parameter (z-screen) is combined with continuous potential (y-screen). I had an image in which the bailoutest parameter was set to imag and continuous potential activated. I wanted to examine the effect of different values for the potential-bailout value. So I stored the image to a parameter file with the b-command, changed the pot.-bailout value a few times and stored every image to the parameter-file, without letting Fractint fully calculate. I made a DOS batchfile and let it run. To my surprise I found that in the first image the bailoutest-value (z-screen) was set to imag, in the other images the bailoutest-value was set to the default-value of mod. When I examined the parfile I noticed that only the first entry had the bailoutest=imag statement. In the other entries it just wasn't there. I tried this procedure another time and the same thing happened again. So it looks like as if when you change the potential-bailoutvalue and use the b-command to store the image to a parameter-file, Fractint ignores the bailoutest=xxx command and doesn't store it. I have a parameter-file attached. Can someone please have a look? I know I can fix the file by editing it with a wordprocessor, but that is quite a hassle every time. Is it possible to have this fixed in the next version of Fractint? Thanks in advance! Cheerio, Jacco e-mail: Jacco.Burger@BU.TUDelft.nl (By the way, please let me know if the par-file isn't attached. Our mail-server has let me down a couple of times before.) --=_5C09693A.46274BBE Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="970902.PAR" j018-0 { ; c.p. with bailoutest=imag ; problem with storing to parfile ; (c) 1997, Jacco Burger reset=1960 type=fn*fn function=acos/sin center-mag=-2.18929290500000000/+2.15404510500000000/1.936443 bailoutest=imag inside=0 potential=255/250/0 colors=222BHF<49>afSafTbgTchUbgT<12>QWMQVLPVLOUL<11>IOHHOHHNHHNG<12>BHDA\ HDAHDAHDAHD<2>AHDBHDBIECIECJF<2>FLHGMIINK<2>MROOTPQURSWTUXU<4>egehigkkin\ nlqqorqo<4>ppnpomoomnnl<2>llilkikihjhg<5>bZ_aXZ_VXZTV<3>SJOQGMODJMBHK8FI\ 5C<3>I7EI8EI8EI9EIAE<10>IHGIIGIJHJKI<8>SXRTYSV_UW`W<4>`debega`c<6>O25<12\ >lcS<9>B62<10>MPLORNOQN<6>IDG } j018-1 { ; c.p. with bailoutest=imag ; problem with storing to parfile ; (c) 1997, Jacco Burger reset=1960 type=fn*fn function=acos/sin center-mag=-2.18871307500000000/+2.15404510500000000/1.936443/0.9996 inside=0 potential=255/250/1 colors=222BHF<47>`eR`eSafSafTbgTchU<13>QWMQVLPVLOUL<11>IOHHOHHNHHNG<11>B\ HDBHDAHDAHDAHD<3>AHDBHDBIECIECJF<2>FLHGMIINK<2>MROOTPQURSWTUXU<3>cecegeh\ igkkinnlqqorqo<4>ppnpomoomnnl<2>llilkikih<5>c``bZ_aXZ_VXZTV<3>SJOQGMODJM\ BHK8FI5C<2>I7EI7EI8EI8EI9E<10>IGGIHGIIGIJHJKI<8>SXRTYSV_UW`W<4>`debega`c\ <6>O25<12>lcS<9>B62<10>MPLORNOQN<6>IDG } j018-5 { ; c.p. with bailoutest=imag ; problem with storing to parfile ; (c) 1997, Jacco Burger reset=1960 type=fn*fn function=acos/sin center-mag=-2.18871307500000000/+2.15404510500000000/1.936443/0.9996 inside=0 potential=255/250/5 colors=222BHF<47>`eR`eSafSafTbgTchU<13>QWMQVLPVLOUL<11>IOHHOHHNHHNG<11>B\ HDBHDAHDAHDAHD<3>AHDBHDBIECIECJF<2>FLHGMIINK<2>MROOTPQURSWTUXU<3>cecegeh\ igkkinnlqqorqo<4>ppnpomoomnnl<2>llilkikih<5>c``bZ_aXZ_VXZTV<3>SJOQGMODJM\ BHK8FI5C<2>I7EI7EI8EI8EI9E<10>IGGIHGIIGIJHJKI<8>SXRTYSV_UW`W<4>`debega`c\ <6>O25<12>lcS<9>B62<10>MPLORNOQN<6>IDG } j018-25 { ; c.p. with bailoutest=imag ; problem with storing to parfile ; (c) 1997, Jacco Burger reset=1960 type=fn*fn function=acos/sin center-mag=-2.18871307500000000/+2.15404510500000000/1.936443/0.9996 inside=0 potential=255/250/25 colors=222BHF<47>`eR`eSafSafTbgTchU<13>QWMQVLPVLOUL<11>IOHHOHHNHHNG<11>B\ HDBHDAHDAHDAHD<3>AHDBHDBIECIECJF<2>FLHGMIINK<2>MROOTPQURSWTUXU<3>cecegeh\ igkkinnlqqorqo<4>ppnpomoomnnl<2>llilkikih<5>c``bZ_aXZ_VXZTV<3>SJOQGMODJM\ BHK8FI5C<2>I7EI7EI8EI8EI9E<10>IGGIHGIIGIJHJKI<8>SXRTYSV_UW`W<4>`debega`c\ <6>O25<12>lcS<9>B62<10>MPLORNOQN<6>IDG } --=_5C09693A.46274BBE-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Julia bug? was Those awful viewwindows Date: 02 Sep 1997 19:03:08 -0700 Rich Thomson wrote: >Type 'v' to get the view window screen, then say "no" for "Preview image". Thank you very much. I should have known it must be easy. :-) Now, is this a bug? Might pass as FoTD if it had a romantic story to go with it. I zoomed in on the right most period 12 midget and switched to the Julia set view. Now look at this. Something is wrong. A flaw here at magnification 1063 begins at magnification 20. Press the space bar to see the midget, up close. It is one from my complete collection (coordinates found as part of the MSet area project). Speaking of collections, did you know Fractint has a limit of 2000 samples in a par file? I found out! The latest Pentiums are fast enough that it takes longer to press SHIFT-@, DOWN arrow, ENTER than to draw the image. Is there a 'next' par image key which will get the next one without leaving the graphics mode? Also, in zooming in, it takes longer to get the dozen or so PageUp key strokes in than to draw images. At least until you are at 1e12 magnification or so. A keystroke to get the max-zoom box would be nice. BTW, the fact that the zoom box stays centered on the center coordinates is very useful. Looking for very small features is easy when you have the coordinates. Of course, you can press Z, F6 and type in a new magnification. But the view along the way is the fun part of zooming. For deep zooming, I use a trick to make Fractint draw a small view for early sampling and still keep the 1024x768 setting. It is to put the zoom focus in the upper right of the little zoom box. Press ENTER to start the zoomed in image. Before it gets far (as quick as you can) press PageUP then CTRL-Right arrow forcing the calculation to the left side. Now the calculation will occur in the upper left corner. Usually I see the next level of interest in about 20% of the scan down the screen. If I have missed, I can hit PageUP, UpArrow and/or Left Arrow and fill in a narrow strip in those directions. This will help you in DEEPZOOM mode where you are looking for a midget (and hoping you are not caught in a Misiurewiz trap). Jay PS. If someone recognizes these colors, I admit it, they are from someone's post, but I lost track of whose. Let me know whose they are. I think they are nice, so here they are again. 3191_12_1867 { ; 0.471038112527672102 0.354079734991600297 reset=1960 type=julia passes=1 center-mag=+0.00000000000000000/-0.00000000000000000/1063.278 params=0.4710381123973365/0.3540797351219784 float=y maxiter=4096 colors=000AAA<6>SKEULEWMEYOF_PF<5>nYIpZIs_Ju`JxbKzcK<20>AAA<20>hcz<21>AA\ A<20>zzc<20>AAADEE<19>mzz<20>AAA<19>awaczcbxb<20>AAA<20>zcm<19>DBC } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Julia bug? was Those awful viewwindows Date: 02 Sep 1997 23:23:05 -0400 (EDT) For slow deepzoom exploration before reaching a "target", what I do is use a tiny view-window. 'v', yes, and 4 or 5 does the trick. then 'v' and no to draw the target fullscreen. (Of course, you didn't know how to turn off the view windows before...:-)) -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cindy mitchell Subject: (fractint) Introducing myself Date: 02 Sep 1997 20:55:50 -0700 Hello Everyone, Have been a Fractint user for ever. Remember XT's and CGA? Fractint was there and still is with my every upgrade, and still a"DOS" program. Even with Win95 I use dos as much as possible, (I do have Fractint on my desktop too). I have been on the list for a week and am thrilled that there are so many Fractint users out there. I am terrible at reading documentation so have been learning many things. For the Fractint Wish List -- a catalog feature to compare the subtle differences between commands. As it is I use a dos program GifDesk 4.5 to view the Gifs. Another nice utility would to be able to delete those gif files that have been altered after using fractint. I seem to have alot of fractint gif's that I have d/l and can't use. Cindy Mitchell Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Les St Clair Subject: Re: (fractint) Julia bug? was Those awful viewwindows Date: 03 Sep 1997 01:49:03 -0400 Jay, >>Now, is this a bug? = >>I zoomed in on the right most period 12 midget and switched to the >>Julia set view. Now look at this. Something is wrong. = Seems to be a periodicity checking error. Switch to periodicity=3D0 and t= he flaw goes away (the "inside" drawing takes longer too, but that just show= s the speed-up you get from the periodicity logic). >>... did you know Fractint has a limit of 2000 samples in a >>par file? Shucks! Now I'll only be able to put five and a half years worth of FOTD = in one file ! >>If someone recognizes these colors, I admit it, they are from >>someone's post, but I lost track of whose. Did you know that you can create a "color plug-in" par file by editing ou= t everything but the colors=3Dstatement? You can use this method to annotate your color collections so you never forget where they came from, like so: JAY_001 { ; I borrowed these from Joe Bloggs colors=3D000AAA<6>SKEULEWMEYOF_PF<5>nYIpZIs_Ju`JxbKzcK<20>AAA<20>hcz<21= >AA\ A<20>zzc<20>AAADEE<19>mzz<20>AAA<19>awaczcbxb<20>AAA<20>zcm<19>DBC } Once you've drawn an image just open your "colors" par in the usual way a= nd Fractint will simply read in the new colors. - Les Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael R. Ganss" Subject: Re: (fractint) 32bit version of fractint Date: 03 Sep 1997 12:13:00 +0200 (MET DST) Paul, > What about outside disks? I tried those once and it sometimes > overestimated...someone told me there was a slight bug in the algorithm as > described in The Science of Fractal Images. I'd like pseudo-code for a > working outside-disks. Perhaps the same thing is causing trouble with the > inside disks! I don't think so, because the inside-disks approach is very different from the outside one (as you know, not just set x=1 instead of 0 and it works for inside disks as well). I used to have a working outside disks (years ago), maybe I'l hack up one again when I have the time. > Okay. But what is the mapping p? For a disk, it's (x,y)*const+(a,b) for > the center a,b and radius const of the component. How do you determine, > though, that it is a) a disk and not a cardioid, b) const and a and b, and > c) what are the mappings for cardioids etc.? p (rho) is the product of all z's from z_n to z_{n+p} where p is the period. At the component center this is 0. Besides Jay's article there's some about it in "The Beauty of Fractals" in the Mandelbrot chapter. You don't need to know if it's a cardioid or a disk, just if it's inside or not, although Jay describes a heuristic to determine disk/cardioid. -- Michael R. Ganss Cooper: Look! Ducks! On a lake! Ahhh. rms@cs.tu-berlin.de http://www.cs.tu-berlin.de/~rms/AlmondBread/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Otterstaetter Subject: (fractint) formula identification Date: 03 Sep 1997 13:17:38 +0000 Hi friends, >>Peter Otterstaetter wrote: >>I think, to identify a formula, the most important thing is NOT its >>name but its CONTENT. So why not use a "content dependend >>identifier" like a "hash count" or a "fingerprint" (may be some >>techniques used in PGP would help) as a formula identifier? Just >>an idea. >George Martin wrote: >Worth a look, but this would constitute a *major* change in the way >Fractint handles the identification of formula, par, ifs, and >lsystem entries. Also, there is a fair amount of formula rewriting >going on. For example, quite a few formulas have been rewritten to >take advantage of the new if..else feature of the formula parser. >These formulas look much different than the originals, and run much >faster; but in fact draw the identical images as the original >formulas with the same underlying math. I wouldn't want to lose the >ability to have such improved formulas automatically used by old >parfiles, as they can be now because the formula name remains the >same. >Tim Wegner wrote: >This is an interesting idea, but when you try to implement it, there >are problems. Trivial changes in algebra would change the "hash >count", as would changes in names of variables. >Still, it's worth reconsidering. But for now, serious fractal >fanatics need OrgFrm or something similar. Let me be a bit more precise. The hash count idea requires a new thinking about a formula. Let a formula have a "description part" and one ore more "implementation parts". The "description part" describes the "formula mathematics" in a normalized formal format (which we have to define; OK lot of work!). The hash count (or fingerprint or whatever) is taken from the "description part". The "implementation parts" describe some implementation of the "formula mathematics" (like an entry in the well known frm-file). Changes in the implementation parts (like different variable names, if-then-else structure etc.) would not affect the hash count. So what we need to identify a formula is its hash count (or whatever) and its implementation name (if there are more than one implementations). Hope this helps to clearify the idea. Peter Peter Otterstaetter BASF Aktiengesellschaft Zentralbereich Informatik ZXA/U Anwendungsentwicklung D-67056 Ludwigshafen E-mail: peter.otterstaetter@zxa.basf-ag.de All things come to those who wait. They come, but often come too late. From Lady Mary M. Curie: Tout Vient a Qui Sait Attendre (1890) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Justin Kolodziej <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: (fractint) Printing Date: 03 Sep 1997 08:57:38 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCB847.6DCEF600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Help me! 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4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCB847.6DCEF600-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ramiro Perez Subject: (fractint) Lypunov Inside? Date: 03 Sep 1997 09:05:52 +0500 (GMT) Hello, This is something that I found while I was experimenting with the lyapunov exponent for the mandelbrot set. The idea was to calculate the expontent for every point that is inside of the set, and since the points that nears the boundary becomes more chaotic as they came close to it, I espect level sets coming from the center of the M. set to the boundary. but the history is another, because instead of the level sets, the inside of the set (and of every bud) has a radial estructure, with rays that come from the boundary to the center.. The julia sets too, has a weird (but beautiful) lakes, so check this par and formula file, and if anyone knows why that happens, I wish to hear the explanation... Ramiro Perez =========================lyap.frm============================ mandlyap{ ;P1 is the bailout z=0, c=pixel, k=0, l=0, z1=0: z1=z1*z1+c dz1=2*z1 k=k+1 l=l+log(dz1) z=l/k |z1|<=p1 } julialyap{ ;P1 the C point P2 the bailout z=0, c=p1, k=0, l=0, z1=pixel: z1=z1*z1+c dz1=2*z1 k=k+1 l=l+log(dz1) z=l/k |z1|<=p2 } =========================mlyap.par============================ mand1 { reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=lyap.frm formulaname=mandlyap passes=1 center-mag=-0.625978/-4.44089e-016/0.8503401 params=100/0 float=y fillcolor=0 inside=zmag outside=summ colors=CCC03x20x<14>z00z20<13>zu0zy0xz0<9>Lz0Hz0Fy2<8>3kT2jW0gZ<3>0Nk0Eq\ 08u03x20x<14>z00z20<13>zu0zy0xz0<9>Lz0Hz0Fy2<8>3kT2jW0gZ<2>0Sh0Nk0Jn0Eq0\ 8u03x20x<14>z00z20<13>zu0zy0xz0<9>Lz0Hz0Fy2<8>3kT2jW0gZ<2>0Sh0Nk0Jn0Eq08\ u03x20x<14>z00z20<13>zu0zy0xz0<9>Lz0Hz0Fy2<8>3kT2jW0gZ<2>0Sh0Nk0Jn0Eq08u } Jul1 { reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=lyap.frm formulaname=julialyap passes=1 center-mag=0/0/0.6666667 params=-1/0.01/100/0 float=y fillcolor=0 inside=zmag outside=summ colors=CCC0Sh0Nk0Jn0Eq08u03x20x<14>z00z20<13>zu0zy0xz0<9>Lz0Hz0Fy2<8>3kT\ 2jW0gZ<3>0Nk0Eq08u03x20x<14>z00z20<13>zu0zy0xz0<9>Lz0Hz0Fy2<8>3kT2jW0gZ<\ 2>0Sh0Nk0Jn0Eq08u03x20x<14>z00z20<13>zu0zy0xz0<9>Lz0Hz0Fy2<8>3kT2jW0gZ<2\ >0Sh0Nk0Jn0Eq08u03x20x<14>z00z20<13>zu0zy0xz0<9>Lz0Hz0Fy2<8>3kT2jW0gZ0bb\ 0Ye } Jul1a { reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=lyap.frm formulaname=julialyap passes=1 center-mag=0.344288/0.416493/13.33333 params=-1/0.01/100/0 float=y fillcolor=0 inside=zmag outside=summ colors=CCC0Sh0Nk0Jn0Eq08u03x20x<14>z00z20<13>zu0zy0xz0<9>Lz0Hz0Fy2<8>3kT\ 2jW0gZ<3>0Nk0Eq08u03x20x<14>z00z20<13>zu0zy0xz0<9>Lz0Hz0Fy2<8>3kT2jW0gZ<\ 2>0Sh0Nk0Jn0Eq08u03x20x<14>z00z20<13>zu0zy0xz0<9>Lz0Hz0Fy2<8>3kT2jW0gZ<2\ >0Sh0Nk0Jn0Eq08u03x20x<14>z00z20<13>zu0zy0xz0<9>Lz0Hz0Fy2<8>3kT2jW0gZ0bb\ 0Ye } ====================================================================== Ramiro Perez Clare Nash . _/ . . System Adminstrator . * . _/ * PANNet * + . _/ _/ _/ . + . e-mails: . . _/ _/ _/ + . rperez@ns.pa _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ . rperez@keops.utp.ac.pa . * _/ _/ _/ . * rperez@listas.utp.ac.pa + + _/ _/ _/ * . . Web pages: . _/ . * http://www.utp.ac.pa/~rperez * _/ . + . . + Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com (Grasso, Nick) Subject: Re: (fractint) Printing Date: 03 Sep 1997 10:15:28 -0400 At 08:57 AM 9/3/97 -0500, Justin Kolodziej wrote: > I tried using the Paintjet printer setting, but I got this striped >thing that wasn't even close to what I wanted. What do I have to do? Do I >have to download Winfrac instead? Justin, The printing capabilities of fractint are quite rudimentary. I don't think many people print directly from fractint. You are much better off using a third party program. If you are running Windows, get the shareware program PaintShop Pro. It is easy to use and does a great job of printing fractals on my Deskjet 870. Nick nick.grasso@hrads.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Martin <76440.1143@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) formula identification Date: 03 Sep 1997 12:16:13 -0400 Peter, > Let me be a bit more precise. The hash count idea requires a new thinking about a formula. Let a formula have a "description part" and one or more "implementation parts". The "description part" describes the "formula mathematics" in a normalized formal format (which we have to define; OK lot of work!). < I'm always ready for new thinking! Perhaps you could give an example - here are two formulas, the second of which is a simple optimization of the first. These formulas would produce identical images. Could you show what the "description part" of each of these formulas would be? Presumably it would be such that if the formulas were written by different persons, the description part would be the same. Example1 { z = c = pixel: z = z * z + sin(c) |z| < 4 } Example2 { z = pixel c = sin(pixel): z = z * z + c |z| < 4 } A bit more challenging would be to take the "before and after" versions of the Carr2821 formula (you can get these in the if..else tutorial that is part of the fractint 19.6 package) and show how independent writers of these two formulas would generate the same descriptive section. Someone asked me a year or so ago if it would be possible to go through the Orgform compilation and weed out "duplicate math" formulas, so I have already given a bit of thought to the idea of formula "content". Some things are easy, such as recognizing that the name of a variable does not affect the underlying math (in fact, when orgform.exe decides to skip a formula because it is identical to a formula of the same name already in the compilation, it makes the comparison without regard to names given to variables). Order of operation matters are probably in range, such as recognizing that z = a*b is the same as z = b*a. Algebraic equivalency becomes harder; recognizing the equivalence of such expressions as (x+y)^2 and x^2+2*x*y+y^2 opens up a Pandora's box of Goedelian proportions. Developing an algorithm to recognize the equivalency of major rewrites such as with Carr2821 seems unimaginable to me. Regards, George Martin Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Julia bug? Date: 03 Sep 1997 11:05:29 -0700 Les (and Charles) wrote: >>Julia set view. Now look at this. Something is wrong. >Seems to be a periodicity checking error. Switch to periodicity=0..... This thread started when I wrote the 'Those awful viewwindows' note. Now I see the 'v' key fixes that. Now, I looked for 'periodicity' in the fractint.doc. It again looks there is no hot key for this. I locate a midget at high magnification with solid gueesing on, periodicity on and any other gimic to make it fast. Now I just press space bar twice and get the Julia set. How do I easily get periodicity=0. What I find is par file methods which would put me back to what I was (needlessly) complaining of earlier. (Fractint programmers note: no offence ment by any of my rants! Been programming for 35 years, so I have some hint of what produced Fractint.) Here is my sci.fractals sig: int main(){float g,s,f,r,i;char*_="!/-,;<:!lnb/bh`r/ylqbAmmhI/S/x`K\n"; int m,u,e=0;_[32]++;for(;e<3919;){u=(256*(s=(r=.0325*(m=e%80)-2 )*r+(i=.047*(e/80)-1.128)*i)-96)*s+32*r<3?25:16+32*r+16*s<1?31:0; if(u==(s=f=0))do g=s*s-f*f+r;while((f=2*s*f+i)*f+(s=g)*g<4&&++u<27); putchar(_[++e>3840&&m<25?31-m:m>78?32:u]^1);}} Jay Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NOEL_GIFFIN Subject: Re: (fractint) Julia bug? Date: 03 Sep 1997 11:41:29 PST "Jay Hill" wrote: >Les (and Charles) wrote: >>>Julia set view. Now look at this. Something is wrong. >>Seems to be a periodicity checking error. Switch to periodicity=0..... >This thread started when I wrote the 'Those awful viewwindows' note. Now I >see the 'v' key fixes that. Now, I looked for 'periodicity' in the >fractint.doc. >It again looks there is no hot key for this. I locate a midget at high >magnification with solid gueesing on, periodicity on and any other gimic >to make it fast. Now I just press space bar twice and get the Julia set. >How do I easily get periodicity=0. What I find is par file methods which >would put me back to what I was (needlessly) complaining of earlier. The "G" keyboard command lets you give a startup parameter interactively. From there you can say periodicity=no to turn this feature off. Cheers, Noel Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pierre Aubert Espenan Subject: Re: (fractint) Printing Date: 03 Sep 1997 12:35:16 -0700 Justin Kolodziej wrote: > > Help me! I can't print on my HP Deskjet 694C printer. I tried using > the Paintjet printer setting, but I got this striped thing that wasn't > even close to what I wanted. What do I have to do? Do I have to > download Winfrac instead? > > Justin Kolodziej > > 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu Dear Justin: Try using the Windows port of fractint. Save the fractal in BMP format and use the Windows printer drivers that came with your printer. This always works for me. Pierre Espenan Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Gill Subject: Re: (fractint) Printing Date: 03 Sep 1997 15:29:49 -0500 I'm having the same Deskjet printing problems as Justin. As I'm new to the list and to Fractint, please explain what is meant by 'windows port of fractint'. TIA Jack Gill Pierre Aubert Espenan wrote: > Justin Kolodziej wrote: > > > > Help me! I can't print on my HP Deskjet 694C printer. I tried > using > > the Paintjet printer setting, but I got this striped thing that > wasn't > > even close to what I wanted. What do I have to do? Do I have to > > download Winfrac instead? > > > > Justin Kolodziej > > > > 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu > Dear Justin: > Try using the Windows port of fractint. Save the fractal in BMP > format and use the Windows printer drivers that came with your > printer. This always works for me. > Pierre Espenan > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) Printing (Justin/Jack) Date: 03 Sep 1997 17:33:53 -0400 At 03:29 PM 9/3/1997 -0500, you wrote: >I'm having the same Deskjet printing problems as Justin. As I'm new to >the list and to Fractint, please explain what is meant by 'windows port >of fractint'. > >TIA > >Jack Gill Hi. I am new to the list also, however I have been printing fractals for various purposes on my HP 660Cse for quite sometime. This is pretty much what I do, if it is any help: If I have constructed a fractal through fractint, I will save it as a .gif (smaller file than a .bmp) to the desktop (associated with LViewPro), and if desired make changes to the image if desired either in that program or another, then click on "edit" at top, "copy", bring up WordPad (or WordPerfect), click on Edit at top again, then paste. From there I will resize if putting on a postcard or using as kind of a logo thing on a piece of paper for letter writing, or to make a greeting card with - whatever, then click on "file" and "print". After which I then save the file (image) on 3.5 disk and remove the image file from the h/d. This is all under Win95. Hope this helps, and hope I did not waste anyone's time. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) formula identification Date: 03 Sep 1997 22:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Description parts...hash counts... I dunno about you but it sounds simpler to me to just pick unique and imaginitive names. :-) In fact names based on your initials, and avoiding using a duplicate name yourself or doing any renaming, you can probably guarantee no duplications of other peoples' formula names too. Or a naming convention based on math could be done. Or, a hash count based on an actual value gnerated by the formula? Perhaps, a sample image in a 32x32 thumbnail kind can be calculated for some fixed values of p1, p2, p3, and the pixel range, and this can then be encoded into a hash? (The image would use maxit 2048, floating point yes, periodicity=no, and other options their defaults, outside=iter, inside=0.) -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Julia bug? Date: 03 Sep 1997 22:20:29 -0400 (EDT) 2 ways. One is this: hit 'g', this pops up a dialog for entering commands to fractint's brain. (ProtoMatter will include a command console for similar purposes.) Type "periodicity=no" and enter. To put it back later do the same but use "yes" in place of "no". The other: copy this and paste it in notepad and save as a par file, like "periodic.par": ----8<---- PeriodicityOff { periodicity=no } PeriodicityOn { periodicity=yes } ----8<---- Then use @ to load one or the other, to switch it on or off. (Since this has no reset= in it, it won't do a whole new image the way normal par files do.) Tim: any chance Fractint 20.0 could make periodicity switchable on the 'x' screen like floating point? Also, how about allowing formula writers to specify a default for floating point and periodicity? That way formula writers can force fpu math, and can default periodicity off for formulas (like many rationals or formulas depending on earlier iterations of z) that tend to goof up with periodicity on. -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pierre Aubert Espenan Subject: Re: (fractint) Printing Date: 03 Sep 1997 20:46:51 -0700 "Port" means that the authors of fractint didn't recode the whole DOS program from scratch---they reused large portions of the original DOS program and made some relatively small modifications in order to make fractint work under Windows. (Keep in mind that the DOS version still works fine under Windows if you aren't printing.) Winfract will save fractals in BMP format and from there Windows ---using Paintbrush, for example---can print the fractal using the Windows print drivers that came with your printer. As already stated you can also use Paint Shop Pro to convert the default GIF format to BMP in order to print the fractal. Just go to http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/programs/ibmpc/windows/winf1821.zip to get the latest version 18.21. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pierre Aubert Espenan Subject: (fractint) Microsoft C version 7.0 Date: 03 Sep 1997 21:03:29 -0700 I've been tinkering with some of the source code for fractint using Visual C++ version 5.0 which is not satisfactory since there are some keywords declared "obsolete" and other problems. The authors of fractint used Microsoft C version 7.0 to compile the source code but I can't find this version. Does anyone know where I could find this (old?) product? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Otterstaetter Subject: Re: (fractint) formula identification Date: 04 Sep 1997 11:21:20 +0000 George Martin wrote: > I'm always ready for new thinking! Perhaps you could give an example - h= ere > are two formulas, the second of which is a simple optimization of the > first. These formulas would produce identical images. Could you show wha= t > the "description part" of each of these formulas would be? Presumably it > would be such that if the formulas were written by different persons, th= e > description part would be the same. > > Example1 { > z =3D c =3D pixel: > z =3D z * z + sin(c) > |z| < 4 > } > > Example2 { > z =3D pixel > c =3D sin(pixel): > z =3D z * z + c > |z| < 4 > } OK, I will try it! In fact, Example1 and Example2 are two "implementations" of the same formula. So the "description" and "implementation" parts may look like: FORMULA { DESCRIPTION { z =3D c =3D pixel: z =3D z^2 + sin(c) |z| < 2 } IMPLEMENTATION { Example1 { z =3D c =3D pixel: z =3D z * z + sin(c) |z| < 4 } Example2 { z =3D pixel, c =3D sin(pixel): z =3D z * z + c |z| < 4 } } } Of course, it will be a hard task to create a "standard" for the description part! This part should be a mathematical one: we should replace "pixel" by a something like [(Xmin, Xmax),(Ymin,Ymax)] and we don't have care of optimizations etc. > recognizing that z =3D a*b is the same as z =3D b*a. Algebraic > equivalency becomes harder; recognizing the equivalence of such > expressions as (x+y)^2 and x^2+2*x*y+y^2 opens up a Pandora's box of > Goedelian proportions. To recognize such equivalences, algorithms used by good symbolic math programs would (hopefully) help; but I'm not an expert ... > Developing an algorithm to recognize the > equivalency of major rewrites such as with Carr2821 seems > unimaginable to me. There is no need to recognize rewrites or optimizations because this are "implementations"; just add it to the formula's implementation part (or exchange one implementation). To identify a formula, get the description part's hash count; if there is only one implementation, OK use it, otherwise, we have to decide which one FRACTINT should use. Or, FRACTINT uses always the first implementation and we exchange the implementations as we need them. Regards, Peter Otterst=E4tter Peter Otterstaetter BASF Aktiengesellschaft Zentralbereich Informatik ZXA/U Anwendungsentwicklung D-67056 Ludwigshafen E-mail: peter.otterstaetter@zxa.basf-ag.de All things come to those who wait. They come, but often come too late. From Lady Mary M. Curie: Tout Vient a Qui Sait Attendre (1890) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.P. Louvet" Subject: (fractint) Introducing myself Date: 04 Sep 1997 16:34:05 +2 Hi all, Some of you might know my Fractal album, with a large collection of fractals made with Fractint. I am very happy to discover this new mailing list. Many thanks to Tim. Can I download ( or perhaps somebody could forward me) the first contributions to this list ? J.P. Louvet | Phone : (33)56-84-58-35 IUT Universite Bordeaux I | Fax : (33)56-84-58-29 33405 Talence CEDEX France | e-mail : louvet@iuta.u-bordeaux.fr Fractales sur serveur Web Universite Bordeaux I : http://www.bdx1.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/jpl0.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) New Fractal Gallery Date: 04 Sep 1997 18:21:22 -0400 Hi All, I'd like to invite everyone to visit my new fractal gallery at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet A French version of this page is available. Cheers, - Sylvie Sylvie_Gallet@CompuServe.com http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/sylvie/gallet.html http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) New Fractal G Date: 04 Sep 1997 18:54:56 -0400 Sylvie, There seems to be something wrong with your web page today. All I can get is the symbol for The Infinite Fractal Loop - and even that doesn't work! Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Fractal G Date: 04 Sep 1997 16:52:00 -0700 Sylvie, I looked at the HTML source for your page. It is only a gif file. Not HTML. The problem is likely that we don't have the address of your home page. If might be something like this http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/index.html My homepage server defaults to a file named 'index.html' when one does not specify the file name. This does not work for yours. Hmmm... Jay Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: (fractint) Sylvie Gallet's web page Date: 04 Sep 1997 19:56:26 -0400 Lee, Yikes, it was fine yesterday and I stopped by and I see that too. Sylvie, what happened to your spiffy web page?!? Damien M. Jones / temporary sanity designs / http://www.emi.net/~dmj/ dmj@emi.net / my gallery: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Justin Kolodziej <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: (fractint) Printing (yes, again) Date: 04 Sep 1997 19:00:05 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCB964.C1525D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hate to bring this subject up again, but I needed time to render an = image to test my theory. As it turns out, the answer to my original = question was almost ridiculously simple: Just load your rendered GIF = into Winfrac and print it from there! If you don't have it, I'd advise = you to get it now, if for no other reason than to print your images that = you can't print from Fractint and to see what your extra-large images = (2048x2048) look like before you print or save them! On a related note: What happened to being able to control the size of = the printed image??? It was in there in an earlier release, I forgot = which one, but now it's gone! What happened? Justin Kolodziej=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCB964.C1525D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 I hate to bring = this subject up=20 again, but I needed time to render an image to test my theory.  As = it turns=20 out, the answer to my original question was almost ridiculously simple: = Just=20 load your rendered GIF into Winfrac and print it from there!  If = you don't=20 have it, I'd advise you to get it now, if for no other reason than to = print your=20 images that you can't print from Fractint and to see what your = extra-large=20 images (2048x2048) look like before you print or save them!

On a related note: What = happened to=20 being able to control the size of the printed image???  It was in = there in=20 an earlier release, I forgot which one, but now it's gone! What = happened?

Justin=20 Kolodziej  ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCB964.C1525D80-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KivrynH@aol.com Subject: (fractint) Picture view size Date: 04 Sep 1997 20:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Okay, class, it's "dumb question" time. Who'll be fiirst? Hi y'all, Sounds like that's my cue. When I look at a fractal I've just finished making, while still in Fractint, I can't see as much of the fractal as I can of the saved image in a viewer. Why? Or, if that's too hard an answer for "dumb question" time, then maybe you could just tell me how to see what's really all there in Fractint. ;~) Kivryn Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dougowen@mindspring.com (Doug Owen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Sylvie Gallet's web page Date: 05 Sep 1997 02:10:11 GMT On Thu, 04 Sep 1997 19:56:26 -0400, you wrote: >Lee, > >Yikes, it was fine yesterday and I stopped by and I see that too. > >Sylvie, what happened to your spiffy web page?!? > >Damien M. Jones / temporary sanity designs / = http://www.emi.net/~dmj/ > dmj@emi.net / my gallery: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/ > I don't know, folks. It's working just fine for me. I'm using MS IExplorer and haven't checked it with Netscape. The page is really nice. --=20 Later....Doug....(-:} http://www.zenweb.com/rayn/doug Thanks to PAN for adding Doug's Gallery to Surreal RAYn http://members.tripod.com/~dlowen/index.html Typical Homepage Under Construction Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) New Fractal Gallery Date: 04 Sep 1997 22:34:32 -0400 (EDT) > >Hi All, > > I'd like to invite everyone to visit my new fractal gallery at: > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet Sounds cool. Hey...aren't you the one who got the Millenium 1600x1200x256 VESA mode working in Fractint? I love that mode for generating big detailed B/W/greyscale images for printing on laser printers. -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Angel Rivera Subject: Re: (fractint) Picture view size Date: 04 Sep 1997 21:36:29 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 4 Sep 1997 KivrynH@aol.com wrote: > Sounds like that's my cue. When I look at a fractal I've just finished > making, while still in Fractint, I can't see as much of the fractal as I can > of the saved image in a viewer. Why? Or, if that's too hard an answer for > "dumb question" time, then maybe you could just tell me how to see what's > really all there in Fractint. ;~) I've seen this too-- a "full-screen" fractal in Fractint takes up *more* than a full screen when saved... Why, exactly? -- H B. K. Nambo (who is feeling fractal deficiencies =@==== being away from his computer for about a month now...) H H H badger@innocent.com H H H Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Fractal Gallery Date: 04 Sep 1997 22:17:36 -0600 Sylvie wrote: > I'd like to invite everyone to visit my new fractal gallery at: > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet A few hours ago the page wasn't working, but now it is. maybe CIS's web server hiccoughed. Very nice page! Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Picture view size Date: 04 Sep 1997 22:25:32 -0600 Angel wrote: > I've seen this too-- a "full-screen" fractal in Fractint takes up *more* > than a full screen when saved... Why, exactly? Could you please explain xactly what you do - what video mode you are using, and how you know the image is bigger than the screen. Are you talking about Winfract or Fractint? Winfract uses a virtual screen that doesn't have to match the actual screen. Also, Winfract is no longer supported and is frozen in time forever ... Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Otterstaetter Subject: Re: (fractint) New Fractal Gallery Date: 05 Sep 1997 10:15:50 +0000 > Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:21:22 -0400 > From: Sylvie Gallet > Subject: (fractint) New Fractal Gallery > To: Liste Fractint > Reply-to: fractint@mail.xmission.com > Hi All, > I'd like to invite everyone to visit my new fractal gallery at: > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet Sylvie, many thanks for this great page! Peter Otterstaetter Peter Otterstaetter BASF Aktiengesellschaft Zentralbereich Informatik ZXA/U Anwendungsentwicklung D-67056 Ludwigshafen E-mail: peter.otterstaetter@zxa.basf-ag.de All things come to those who wait. They come, but often come too late. From Lady Mary M. Curie: Tout Vient a Qui Sait Attendre (1890) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) New Fractal Gallery Date: 05 Sep 1997 04:26:15 -0400 Lee, Damien, Jay et al, >> There seems to be something wrong with your web page today. All I >> can get is the symbol for The Infinite Fractal Loop - and even that >> doesn't work! I apologize!!! It looks like when I uploaded the IFL banner, I specifi= ed it as the default page instead of homepage.htm. The complete URL is: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm Thank you for your visit. Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike or Linda Allison" Subject: (fractint) [fractint] Egyptian pyramids, etal Date: 05 Sep 1997 09:05:58 -0700 Hi, all! Before Mike and I took off on our trip, Les StClair asked if I would post my frm file and some par files for my Egytian pyramid fractals. So, here they are . . . Enjoy! Linda (P.S. Boeff says "Woof!") http://www.geocities.com/~gumbycat (last partial update 9/3/97) http://www.fortunecity.com//tattooine/stephenson/5/abpf.html (the last 16 fractals uploaded to alt.binaries.pictures.fractals, last updated 9/2/97) gumbycat@ix.netcom.com(No Bulk Mail) ! Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) Sylvie Gallet's web page Date: 05 Sep 1997 13:01:26 -0400 Hi Doug, >> I don't know, folks. It's working just fine for me. I'm using MS >> IExplorer and haven't checked it with Netscape. = You've been lucky, you checked it just after I fixed the problem. >> The page is really nice. Thanks! Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) New Fractal Gallery Date: 05 Sep 1997 13:01:23 -0400 Hi Tim, >> A few hours ago the page wasn't working, but now it is. maybe CIS's = >> web server hiccoughed. Sometimes, CIS works fine! :-) >> Very nice page! Thank you! Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) New Fractal Gallery Date: 05 Sep 1997 13:01:21 -0400 Hi Peter, >> many thanks for this great page! = Glad you liked it. Thanks! Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) Picture view size Date: 05 Sep 1997 13:01:30 -0400 Hi Kivryn, >> Sounds like that's my cue. When I look at a fractal I've just >> finished making, while still in Fractint, I can't see as much of the >> fractal as I can of the saved image in a viewer. Why? Or, if that's >> too hard an answer for "dumb question" time, then maybe you could just= >> tell me how to see what's really all there in Fractint. ;~) I have the same problem in Fractint and in my DOS viewer (QPV) with the= 800x600x256c VESA mode on my Millennium: the first lines are missing. No= problem when I display the same image at 800x600 with ACDSee for Win95 (b= ut Win95 doesn't seem to use VESA modes). - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) New Fractal Gallery Date: 05 Sep 1997 13:01:28 -0400 Hi Paul, >> Sounds cool. = Thanks! >> Hey...aren't you the one who got the Millenium 1600x1200x256 VESA mode= >> working in Fractint? I love that mode for generating big detailed >> B/W/greyscale images for printing on laser printers. Yes, it's me! I think that 1600x1200 is not necessarily the best resolution for making detailed prints. The size of the image must depend= on the resolution of the printer and the size of the print. Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike or Linda Allison" Subject: (fractint) [fractint] oops! Another try! Egyptian frm and par files Date: 05 Sep 1997 13:44:52 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCBA01.E313F1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok . . . I'll try again! Here are the .frm and .par files that Les requested (I think!). Linda http://www.geocities.com/~gumbycat (last partial update 9/3/97) http://www.fortunecity.com//tattooine/stephenson/5/abpf.html (the last 16 fractals uploaded to alt.binaries.pictures.fractals, last updated 9/2/97) gumbycat@ix.netcom.com(No Bulk Mail) ------=_NextPart_000_01BCBA01.E313F1C0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="egyptian.par" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: egyptian.par (Fractint PAR files) Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="egyptian.par" {;------------begin frm file------------ } 100296-005 { ;Linda Allison=20 z =3D pixel: z =3D (fn1(1/z ^ p3))/p1 + (fn2(1/z ^ p3))/p2 |z| <=3D .75 * p2 } {;------------begin par files---------- } pyramid1 { ; copyright Linda Allison 1996-1997 ; gumbycat@ix.netcom.com reset=3D1920 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dgumbycat.frm formulaname=3D100296-005 function=3Dsqr/abs passes=3Db center-mag=3D-21.6048/-9.39653/1.17295/1/-160 params=3D1000/-5/1/-0.5/4/-4 float=3Dy maxiter=3D5000 bailout=3D16 decomp=3D255 viewwindows=3D5/0.75/yes/0/0 = colors=3DQUW<6>cru<14>34S00P00O<14>000<15>yyf<14>_cgYahYbh<14>kxk<15>8F8<= 1\ = 5>fzz<15>0IE<14>LlvNozMlx<14>00N<15>znZ<15>M13<2>S8BVBEXEGZHJ`JM<8>tgk<1\= 4>gKGfIDdHD<13>A00<8>QUW } pyramid2 { ; 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copyright Linda Allison 1996-1997 ; gumbycat@ix.netcom.com reset=3D1920 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dgumbycat.frm formulaname=3D100296-005 function=3Dsqr/abs passes=3Db center-mag=3D-20.2308/-6.38475/8.564297/1.2017/-152.498 params=3D1000/-5/1/0.5/4/-4 float=3Dy maxiter=3D5000 bailout=3D16 = decomp=3D256 viewwindows=3D5/1/yes/0/0 = colors=3D000<4>000000110221<38>ilYjmZkn_mp`lo_kmZ<31>222000001<27>JGTKHUK= H\ = T<27>111000000000<3>000011032<27>Amc<25>255143122000000000000000<16>XgcZ\= je`mhbpjdsmAmc<14>297265133000000 } ------=_NextPart_000_01BCBA01.E313F1C0-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Les St Clair Subject: (fractint) [fractint] oops! Another try! Egyptian frm and par files Date: 05 Sep 1997 19:28:56 -0400 >>Here are the .frm and .par files that Les requested<< Thanks Linda, They're unique and wonderful! - Les Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Jakubowicz" Date: 05 Sep 1997 19:51:12 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCBA35.10000100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, This is not a Fractint question but I am wondering if someone can = take a shot at it. I have been bopping around a lot to look at people's = fractal galleries, looking for some new ideas, etc., and somewhere heard = about alt.binaries.pictures.fractals. It was not available on my server, = so I called and got the guy to agree reluctantly to add it after = explaining to him what the Mandelbrot set is, etc. Now they were under = the impression it contained pornographic material, which I thought would = be kind of weird for a fractal gallery. So, anyway, I've been checking = it out every day and finding some cool stuff there but also some = unexpected things. Can anyone please explain (I'm really new to the = internet, so maybe I sound like an idiot) why there are XXX messages, = whatever those are, credit card advertisements for people with bad = credit, and so forth, at a fractal gallery. I am in favor of free = expression on the 'net and am not a crank or anything (at least I hope = not) but this is just something that's been puzzling me. And now this is a Fractint question: when I run my demo program, = which I actually find quite helpful, it freezes after printing an image = of the Mandlebrot set (it's on the second demo file, I believe). Is it = my computer, or should I go look through the source code? thanks and i = apologize if i've asked anything really dumb, Peter Jakubowicz =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCBA35.10000100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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    = This is not a=20 Fractint question but I am wondering if someone can take a shot at it. I = have=20 been bopping around a lot to look at people's fractal galleries, looking = for=20 some new ideas, etc., and somewhere heard about = alt.binaries.pictures.fractals.=20 It was not available on my server, so I called and got the guy to agree=20 reluctantly to add it after explaining to him what the Mandelbrot set = is, etc.=20 Now they were under the impression it contained pornographic material, = which I=20 thought would be kind of weird for a fractal gallery. So, anyway, I've = been=20 checking it out every day and finding some cool stuff there but also = some=20 unexpected things. Can anyone please explain (I'm really new to the = internet, so=20 maybe I sound like an idiot) why there are XXX messages, whatever those = are,=20 credit card advertisements for people with bad credit, and so forth, at = a=20 fractal gallery. I am in favor of free expression on the 'net and am not = a crank=20 or anything (at least I hope not) but this is just something that's been = puzzling me.

    = And now this=20 is a Fractint question: when I run my demo program, which I actually = find quite=20 helpful, it freezes after printing an image of the Mandlebrot set (it's = on the=20 second demo file, I believe). Is it my computer, or should I go look = through the=20 source code?

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  ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCBA35.10000100-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike or Linda Allison" Subject: (fractint) Re: Date: 05 Sep 1997 17:44:13 -0700 Hi, Peter! >why there are XXX messages, whatever those are, credit card advertisements for people with bad credit, and so forth, at a fractal >gallery. I am in favor of free expression on the 'net and am not a crank or anything (at least I hope not) but this is just something >that's been puzzling me. I don't think there is anyone in this audience that would disagree with you! The non-fractal postings violate the spirit of the newsgroup and the abpf newsgroup FAQ. Unfortunately, we haven't been able to find a way to stop them. Most of the people (and I use the word loosely) who post spam to abpf are making postings to alt.binaries.pictures.*. And abpf is caught in the net. Those same people usually have a financial interest in attracting as many others as possible to their web sites or their pyramid games. So they really don't care at all about the rules. To them, only their own self-interests matter. We tried to discourage them by requiring certain keywords (fractal, mandelbrot, julia, etc.) in the subject line, and then installing a retro cancel 'bot to cancel every posting that didn't include a keyword. We were hoping that when they got their postings cancelled from ALL the newsgroups by our 'bot, they would exclude us from their spam postings in order to protect their own interests. We were moderately successful (a RETRO 'bot can't be completely successful, plus some of the more inventive spammers started using the keywords in their postings!). Then, Dick Depew, the person who wrote and maintained the retro 'bot, had some rather serious computer problems, and for the last 6 weeks or so, his computer has been down more often than not, so we are getting spammed again! Hopefully an end to Dick's problems is in sight, but no promises can be made! We keep trying . . . If anyone has a brainstorm on how to solve this problem, please speak up! Consider this a cry for help! Linda Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Wolfrum" Subject: (fractint) Millennium & NT 4.0 Date: 05 Sep 1997 11:12:00 +0200 [I tried to post this on Aug 28 but up to today (Sep 5) it didn't show up. So I try it a second time here.] (List owner's note - this list has a security feature that accepts postings only from list members. If your return address is not the same as the email address you subscribed with, your posting will bounce. I am posting this message manually. Tim) Hi, I have had the same problems with NT 4.0 - and still have them. I asked several questions to Matrox' tech support but the answers couldn't help me. Here are CCs: ---Question #1--- Hi, I have problems with SVGA modes when starting DOS application from a DOS prompt, eg FRACTINT. My monitor can't sync any SuperVGA video mode! I have no sync problems with the Windown NT 4.0 drivers. In addition to that: it makes a difference whether I start FRACTINT from the DOS prompt in window on the Windows desktop or from a DOS prompt in full screen mode (text mode). In the first case FRACTINT says that these video modes are not available with my adapter, in the latter case it tries to switch into the SVGA mode (from 640x480x256 to 1280x1024x256) but obviously cannot sync it. Here's my configuration: Matrox Millennium, 4.0MB, RAMDAC TVP3026A, 220MHz, Serialnumber AAC42011, VGA BIOS-Version 2.3, MGA PowerDesk-Version 3.12.046, DisplayDriver Version 3.12.046. Monitor's horizontal line frequency: up to 84kHz. Do you need more info? Thanks, Stefan. ------ ---Answer #1--- Try the mgamon utilty from the setup directory on th mill cd. this will setup the monitor for dos mode. Chris. ------ ---Question #2--- Chris, I tried the mgamon.exe utility that came with the bios23 update but everytime I start it from Windows NT 4.0 it produces a horrible sound through my computer's speaker and then just says "No board(1)". What now? Thanks, Stefan. ------ ---Answer #2--- The mgamon.exe file was not intended to be used with windows nt. It is for dos, but can also work with win95 and win3.1 ThankYou ------ So I still have no idea how to solve this problem. Stefan. --- Stefan Wolfrum (wolfrum@cs.bonn.edu) University Of Bonn, Germany Computer Graphics Research Group Private URL: http://titan.cs.bonn.edu/~wolfrum Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" make a commercial posting informing readers of your services, investigate the "biz" hierarchy of newsgroups, which exists for such purposes. Be courteous to others by posting responsibly; you will not only help to improve the quality of Usenet but also avoid the backlash risked by ignoring basic rules of "netiquette". In a nutshell, newsgroups are a means of "public discussion". Newsgroup articles (messages) look like e-mail, but they can be read (potentially) by millions of people all over the world. Newsgroup articles are distributed via "news servers", which contain databases of articles, and are operated by Internet service providers, schools, universities, and companies. There is no "central" server on Usenet. A newsgroup article propagates from one server to another, starting from the server where it is first posted. "Moderated" newsgroups are sort of an exception, in that all articles are first forwarded via e-mail to a "moderator" for approval. The moderator posts them on his/her news server, and from there they propagate as described below. But different moderators use different news servers. Ideally, all the articles in a newsgroup travel to all sites (news servers) that carry the newsgroup. This means that when you post an article, the final result is tens of thousands of copies, all over the world. More specifically, when you post an article, it goes first to your "local" news server (operated by your Internet service provider, company, or school). Your server then sends copies of the article to its "neighbors," that is, to servers with which it has agreed to exchange articles. Those servers in turn send copies to *their* neighbors. Eventually every server that carries the newsgroup has a copy. Most servers normally send articles to other servers more or less in the order of arrival. This sequence can get scrambled for various reasons, which is why you often see responses before the "original" article arrives. News server administrators make arrangements among themselves about which newsgroups they exchange. The "receiving" server's admin tells the "sending" server's admin which newsgroups he/she wants to receive. The "sending" server's admin configures his/her server to send only those newsgroups. There are two methods that servers know which sites they've already visited and how a message avoids the same site twice. Servers usually use both of them, in sequence: 1. The "Path:" header line shows the sites that the article has traveled through, so far, between the originating server and the current server. If the "receiving" server appears in the "Path:" line, the "sending" server does not try to send the article because it knows that the "receiving" server has already received a copy. 2. The "Message-ID:" header line contains an identifying code which is different for every article. Before transmitting the article, the "sending" server asks the "receiving" server, in effect, "Do you have an article with Message-ID such-and-such?" The "receiving" server responds either "No, please send me a copy," or "Yes, I have it already," whereupon the "sending" server either sends the article or goes on to the next one. Each news server "expires" (removes) old articles, usually once a day, to make space for new ones. Most servers do this based on the number of days an article has been on that server. The "expiration time" varies from one server to another, and can also vary from one newsgroup to another, on the same server. It might be a few days, or it might be two weeks or more. So, even after an article expires from your own server, it is probably still visible on many other servers. Note, however, that even though you cannot see an article any more, it may still be present on your server. Most news-reading software keeps track of which articles you've read, and shows them to you only once. This way, you don't have to wade through the same articles over and over and over again. There should be a command or button or something which "shows all" or "shows previously-read" or "unmarks" articles, so that you can see all the articles that have not yet expired from your server. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Date: 05 Sep 1997 20:13:05 -0500 Mike or Linda Allison wrote: > > We keep trying . . . > > If anyone has a brainstorm on how to solve this problem, please speak up! > Consider this a cry for help! > There is only one way: A Moderated Newsgroup. Use Paul.N.Lee instead of the NOSPAM when replying. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robin bussell Subject: (fractint) fractint wishwish web page now online. (repost.. apologies if this causes dejavue) Date: 06 Sep 1997 02:27:53 +0100 Hi Folks, In view of the fairly large number of requests for new features in fractint that this group gets I have put up a new web page where such things can be recorded in easily viewable form. It will be watched by the members of the Fractint development team for new ideas and will act as more of a central point to gather information than email to individual programmers can be, putting your ideas forward this way gives a better chance of the right person finding out. So don't be shy! go and have a look at: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/robin.b2/olig/fracwish.htm See you there! Robin Bussell, stone soup group. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry Bluestein Subject: (fractint) Re: Date: 06 Sep 1997 00:57:40 -0400 Spammers (i.e. mass E-mailers') will simply send their garbage to all 'binaries' groups, or worse, ALL newsgroups at all. Peter Jakubowicz wrote: > > > Hi, > > This is not a Fractint question but I am wondering if someone can > take a shot at it. I have been bopping around a lot to look at > people's fractal galleries, looking for some new ideas, etc., and > somewhere heard about alt.binaries.pictures.fractals. It was not > available on my server, so I called and got the guy to agree > reluctantly to add it after explaining to him what the Mandelbrot set > is, etc. Now they were under the impression it contained pornographic > material, which I thought would be kind of weird for a fractal > gallery. So, anyway, I've been checking it out every day and finding > some cool stuff there but also some unexpected things. Can anyone > please explain (I'm really new to the internet, so maybe I sound like > an idiot) why there are XXX messages, whatever those are, credit card > advertisements for people with bad credit, and so forth, at a fractal > gallery. I am in favor of free expression on the 'net and am not a > crank or anything (at least I hope not) but this is just something > that's been puzzling me. > > And now this is a Fractint question: when I run my demo program, > which I actually find quite helpful, it freezes after printing an > image of the Mandlebrot set (it's on the second demo file, I believe). > Is it my computer, or should I go look through the source code? > > thanks and i > apologize if i've asked anything really dumb, Peter Jakubowicz > > > > > > -- Barry Bluestein Design Technical Advisor USAID/Jamaica TeleJamaica Project 809-926-5001 2 Hainning Rd Kingston 5, Jamaica W.I. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Hine Subject: (fractint) Peer (?!) Review... Date: 06 Sep 1997 11:49:18 -0600 (MDT) Damien, Well, I thought I had figured the problem out, but it seems that no matter what I do, I cannot get any more than the first 50 iteration values to read in correctly. The copy of my program below *should* compile for you with a C++ compiler (I use gcc with the -lgpp switch). The header reads in perfectly, and then the program is supposed to read in the first 100 pixel itteration values and store them in a dynamically declared array (if you have a tip on how to dynamically declare a 2d array, I'd be interested to hear it!). The first 50 iteration values read in just fine, but the next fifty are being misread. You;ve been a great help already, Damien; if you have any suggestions for me, I'd be grateful for the help. Have a good weekend! Jason ---------------------- Begin DEEP_ONE.CC ---------------------- #include #include #include #include struct array { unsigned long val[1900]; }; void main(void) { char buf12[12]; char buf2[2]; char buf4[4]; char buf1[1]; array *arr_ptr; short xdots, ydots; int i, j, k, count = 0; unsigned long iteration; char iter[3]; int loc, vbuf; long maxiter=0; ifstream img_file; ofstream key_file; cout << "EOL buffer size: " << endl; cin >> vbuf; // Open image file img_file.open("iterates.tga", ios::in|ios::binary); // Check to see if file was successfully opened if (img_file.bad()) { cerr << "Cannot open ITERATES.TGA...\n" << flush; exit(8); } // Read in header information img_file.read(buf12, 12); img_file.read(&xdots, 2); img_file.read(&ydots, 2); img_file.read(buf2, 2); img_file.read(&maxiter, 4); // Check for correct file size of 50x38 if ((xdots!=50)||(ydots!=38)) { cerr << "Incorrect Image Size in ITERATES.TGA...\n" << " Image size must be 50x38, use 'v' to\n" << " set an explicit viewwindow size.\n" << flush; exit(8); } // Print out header information cout << "xdots: " << xdots << endl << "ydots: " << ydots << endl; cout << "maxiter: " << maxiter << endl; /************************** Array Population Section **************************/ arr_ptr = new array; count = 0; // Read in two 'lines' of TGA file... for(i=0;i<100;i++) { img_file.read(iter, 3); iteration = iter[0] + (iter[1] << 8) + (iter[2] << 16); arr_ptr -> val[i] = iteration; } //The first 'line' (50 values) read in fine, but the next one doesn't...? // testing... for(i=0;i<38;i++) { for(j=0;j<50;j++) { loc = i * j; cout << arr_ptr -> val[loc] << " "; } cout << endl; cin >> iter; } } -------------- End DEEP_ONE.CC ------------------- _ __ ___ ____ _____ ______ _______ ______ _____ ____ ___ __ _ _ __ ___ ___ __ _ _ __ ___ Jason N Hine ___ __ _ _ __ ___ GIS Specialist ___ __ _ _ __ ___ Colorado State University ___ __ _ _ __ ___ Pedology and Soil Information Systems Lab ___ __ _ _ __ ___ (970) 491-6832 ___ __ _ _ __ ___ http://boralf.agsci.colostate.edu/~jason ___ __ _ _ __ ___ jason@cnr.colostate.edu ___ __ _ _ __ ___ ____ _____ ______ _______ ______ _____ ____ ___ __ _ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Sukop Subject: (fractint) Plasma Data Date: 07 Sep 1997 09:35:14 Hi: Mike Sukop here. New list member, new FRACTINT user, new Ph.D. candidate at the University of Kentucky. Specialize in fractal applications to soil science, especially surface chemistry. I would like to be able to get an ASCII file (x,y,z) of the data that makes up a Plasma fractal. I looked for the subroutine PLASMA() in CALCFRAC.C but couldn't find it. (I'm a returning student and don't know 'C' yet either -- It wasn't around when I was last in college.) Is this possible? It seems like it would be almost trivial. Alternatively, does any one know the where to get the original PLASMA.ARC Pascal program distributed by Bret Mulvey or how to get in touch with him? Does anyone know of other Random Mid-point Displacement fractal generating programs that might have ASCII output? Finally, does any one know how the 'graininess' and possibly other parameters of plasma clouds translates into their fractal dimension? Thanks, MS Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: A M Kelley Subject: (fractint) Original Formulae? Date: 07 Sep 1997 11:53:41 -0400 (EDT) I have a tiny question. I would like to know if there's a way to access the basic formulae in Fractint, ie, to see, say, the basic Mandelbrot formula in a text editor. I'm trying to understand writing formulae by attempting to reproduce the basic ones myself by starting with Lambdafn, and for the life of me I can't make anything Fractint will accept. This is what I came up with: Lambdafn { z(0)=pixel, (also tried z=pixel and z=0=pixel (monkey at keyboard approach)) z(n+1)=lambda*fn1(z(n)), |z|<64 } Naturally if I am unable to figure out something like this, my confidence in coming up with a new formula on my own is not very strong. No matter how I alter that, Fractint tells me (sternly, with that awful raspberry it makes when it dislikes something) that z is undefined. I've seen the formula for Mandelbrot in frmtutor.txt, so I have one, but I'd like to be able to see the others.--Alice, feeling doomed and mortified Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rttyman@wwa.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Original Formulae? Date: 07 Sep 1997 11:18:30 -0500 A M Kelley wrote: > > I have a tiny question. I would like to know if there's a way to access > the basic formulae in Fractint, ie, to see, say, the basic Mandelbrot > formula in a text editor. Here's two things that will help you in creating formuals: At the DOS prompt where you have Fractint, type in "makedoc fractint" to create a lengthy document that explains all of the bells and whistles of using the program, including the various formulas that accompany it. You can either print it or read it on screen if you wish. You can also access the document directly within Fractint by hitting the F1 key. You do not have to type "makedoc fractint" to access the online document because it's part of the program. I mentioned the "makedoc fractint" command because many of us like to keep a print out by our side for reference while using the program. Also, go to http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/formulas/ and download FRMTUT.ZIP. It's a PKZIPPED 41 kb file that'll teach you all about writing formulas. These two documents will answer all your questions. Furthermore, you can read the fractint.frm and other files with the .frm extension with a word processing program (or at the DOS prompt using the EDIT or E function) to see how other people write their formulas. And, you can study the formulas presented here or at the fractal art list server. Formula writing for Fractint is not hard and is lot of fun. Go to it! Bob Margolis rttyman@wwa.com Curator of the Opus Series of fractals on abpf. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: A M Kelley Subject: Re: (fractint) Original Formulae? Date: 07 Sep 1997 12:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Thanks Bob...I have Fractint.doc and Frmtutor, and they don't show the basic formulae like lambda. I know how to read other people's forumulae in a text editor. I'm looking for the basic Fractint formulae.--Alice Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: A M Kelley Subject: Re: (fractint) Original Formulae? Date: 07 Sep 1997 14:54:53 -0400 (EDT) I'm getting feedback that my question is not clear. Here is what I want. When you go into Fractint and hit T you are taken to the fractal types. I want the formulas for those types. Going to fractal type "formula" gets you to the formulas in FRACTINT.FRM. I want to know if there is a way to see the formulas as they would look in the text editor for the other basic types such as mandelbrot. I realize that when I see the mandelbrot and hit "z" I will get a blue screen that shows the initial condition and iteration. That information is insufficient for typing out a formula in a text editor that will make a mandelbrot. I showed that with my attempt to recreate the lambda formula, where I used the information given me by the "z" key to try to recreate the lambda formula. If there is a file in Fractint that lists the formulas for the types, I can't find it. --Alice On Sun, 7 Sep 1997, A M Kelley wrote: > Thanks Bob...I have Fractint.doc and Frmtutor, and they don't show the > basic formulae like lambda. I know how to read other people's forumulae in > a text editor. I'm looking for the basic Fractint formulae.--Alice > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) Original Formulae? Date: 07 Sep 1997 14:58:40 -0400 Hi Alice, >> Thanks Bob...I have Fractint.doc and Frmtutor, and they don't show the= >> basic formulae like lambda. I know how to read other people's >> forumulae in a text editor. I'm looking for the basic Fractint >> formulae.--Alice Some of these formulas are in Chuck Ebbert's formula files: builtn.frn,= builtn01.frn and builtn2.frn. I don't know if they are in Spanky's archi= ve but you can find the formulas in the Orgfrm compilation and reconstruct t= he files. Go to: http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/fractint.html and download George Martin's Orgfrm package. Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Loveday Subject: Re: (fractint) Original Formulae? Date: 07 Sep 1997 15:42:21 -0400 A M Kelley wrote: > > I'm getting feedback that my question is not clear. Here is what I want. > When you go into Fractint and hit T you are taken to the fractal types. I > want the formulas for those types. Going to fractal type "formula" gets > you to the formulas in FRACTINT.FRM. I want to know if there is a way to > see the formulas as they would look in the text editor for the other basic > types such as mandelbrot. Alice, whenever you choose a formula to process in Fractint, and go to the parameter options screen, the formula is presented in a window underneath the options. Ie. you hit "T", choose a formula, then the next screen is the options screen. This is where you should be able to see the formula. Then you hit enter and the generating screen comes up and starts writing the fractal. Is this the information you are trying for here? The other option is to open fractint.frm in any text editor and printing it out. You will have a printout of every formula in that file (all the default formulas that show up when you hit "T".) Hope this helps. Oh, yes, hey everybody. I've been on the list for a few weeks. Mostly following the discussions and printing out the good stuff. I am an artist that studied physics for a short bit before I switched to art 25 years ago. Haven't given up my love of numbers yet. I will post a few of my works in the newsgroup or my web page sometime soon and let you all know. The discussion in this list have been helping me along some, but am using fractint on a 486 (running it on a zip drive disk) so some of the platform discussions don't do me any. Cheers, Oliver! Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rttyman@wwa.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Original Formulae? Date: 07 Sep 1997 15:37:27 -0500 A M Kelley wrote: > > I have a tiny question. I would like to know if there's a way to access > the basic formulae in Fractint, ie, to see, say, the basic Mandelbrot > formula in a text editor. I'm trying to understand writing formulae by > attempting to reproduce the basic ones myself by starting with Lambdafn, > and for the life of me I can't make anything Fractint will accept. This is > what I came up with: > Lambdafn { > z(0)=pixel, (also tried z=pixel and z=0=pixel (monkey at keyboard approach)) > z(n+1)=lambda*fn1(z(n)), > |z|<64 > } > Naturally if I am unable to figure out something like this, my confidence > in coming up with a new formula on my own is not very strong. No matter > how I alter that, Fractint tells me (sternly, with that awful raspberry it > makes when it dislikes something) that z is undefined. > I've seen the formula for Mandelbrot in frmtutor.txt, so I have one, but > I'd like to be able to see the others.--Alice, feeling doomed and mortified > Alice: As I mentioned in an earlier posting, you MUST read fractint.doc and the formula tutor document to understand how to CORRECTLY write formulas for Fractint. That is why I made the suggestion to read other people's formulas as well as the texts. If you do as I and others suggest, you will realize that you don't write z(0)=pixel, as found in many textbooks. Under Fractint, you would initiate with z=pixel: instead of z(0)=pixel. Instead of z(n+1)=z^2+c, for instance as your basic Mandelbrot formula, under Fractint you write z=z^2+c, omitting (n+1). Also by reading the Fractint document you will come to realize that *lambda* is not in the programmed vocabulary. Don't take what you read under section 2.12 Lambdafn to mean that you can write *lambda* into your formulas. Instead, read section 2.35 Formula, which shows you under *Predefined Variables* and *Precedence* what is allowed to be written into a Fractint formula. You will readily see that *lambda* is not listed, and, being unlisted, you cannot write it into your formula. This is another reason you cannot get your formula to work. Also fn1(z(n)) is incorrectly written as *n* is undefined in your formula initiator. fn1(z), fn1(z*c), fn1(z^2-1), and fn1(sin(z)) are some of the ways to write this part of the equation. So, instead of z(n+1)=lambda*fn1(z(n)), you could write something like z=sin(c)*fn1(z), and then, on the last line write |z| <= 64. One way to write the basic Mandelbrot set under Fractint would be: Mandelbrot { z=c=pixel: z=z^2+c |z| <= 4 } You would NOT write it as: Mandelbrot { z(0)=c=pixel: z(n+1)=z^2+c |z| <= 4 } It just won't work for reasons explained. Bob Margolis Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: A M Kelley Subject: Re: (fractint) Original Formulae? Date: 07 Sep 1997 17:48:47 -0400 (EDT) OK. Thank you.--Alice, tail tucked Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) Original Formulae? Date: 07 Sep 1997 17:49:25 -0400 Alice, >> I'm getting feedback that my question is not clear. Here is what I >> want. When you go into Fractint and hit T you are taken to the fractal= >> types. I want the formulas for those types. Going to fractal type >> "formula" gets you to the formulas in FRACTINT.FRM. I want to know if >> there is a way to see the formulas as they would look in the text >> editor for the other basic types such as mandelbrot. I presume that you want to translate the following informations into a formula: Real Part of Parameter 0.85 Imaginary Part of Parameter 0.6 Bailout Test (mod, real, imag, or, and, manh, manr) mod Bailout value (0 means use default) 0 (lambda default is 4) Classic Lambda fractal. 'Julia' variant of Mandellambda. z(0) =3D pixel; z(n+1) =3D lambda*z(n)*(1 - z(n)). Two parameters: real and imaginary parts of lambda. This algorithm can be translated as follow: lambda-1 { ; Sylvie_Gallet@CompuServe.com, Sep 1997 ; George, if you're lurking here: don't include it ; in the Orgfrm compilation :-) z =3D pixel , lambda =3D p1 : z =3D lambda * z * (1 - z) |z| <=3D 4 } But with real(p1) =3D imag(p1) =3D 0, you'll get a blank screen. In th= at case, a small if..else statement will set lambda to (0.85 , 0.6): lambda-2 { ; Sylvie_Gallet@CompuServe.com, Sep 1997 z =3D pixel IF (p1 || imag(p1)) ; if p1 different from (0 , 0) lambda =3D p1 ELSE ; if p1 =3D (0 , 0) lambda =3D (0.85 , 0.6) ENDIF : z =3D lambda * z * (1 - z) |z| <=3D 4 } Save lambda-1 and lambda-2 in a text file with the extension .frm (for example built-in.frm). In Fractint, hit and choose . The Formula Selection screen displays all the formulas included in Fractint.frm. Hit , choose built-in.frm and select one of the formulas. Hope this helps! - Sylvie Sylvie_Gallet@CompuServe.com http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/sylvie/gallet.html http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: A M Kelley Subject: Re: (fractint) Original Formulae? Date: 07 Sep 1997 18:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Thank you Sylvie. Bob said you can't have the word "lambda" in a formula, but I guess you can....--Alice Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: (fractint) New formulas Date: 07 Sep 1997 21:30:29 -0700 (MST) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-153990271-873693029=:698 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just downloaded George Martin's OrgFrom, and was compelled to follow his excellent example. 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Re: (fractint) New formulas Date: 08 Sep 1997 00:59:40 -0400 Kerry Mitchell wrote: > > I just downloaded George Martin's OrgFrom, Kerry, what came through to me was a binary file. Not sure if zip files make it through the mail-list server, or maybe there is some other problem. (I am using Netscape that might not do uuencoding. :-( )) Maybe what would work better, if others have the same problem, is to post a query to see if anyone would like the file, and if so, send you a reply direct. That way, only the one's that want it get the big file. And you can send it to me, just zipped works fine. If I get anything out of it, will maybe send you an image, if that works for you. Glad you are getting organized in the midst of chaos. For most folks, putting your email address like this: mailto:oliver@nxs.net should make it a clickable text that one can then click on and do a message. Of course, just the address works if one wants to copy/paste. Thanks, Oliver! Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: Re: (fractint) New formulas Date: 07 Sep 1997 23:01:00 -0700 (MST) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-523317099-873698460=:24991 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just assumed that any binary attachment would get munged by the list software, but what the hey, it's only bits. Attached is the zip file. 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AAAAAAAAbGttLmZybVBLBQYAAAAAAQABADUAAADRFQAAAAA= --0-523317099-873698460=:24991-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) Original Formulae? Date: 08 Sep 1997 02:54:42 -0400 Hi Alice, >> Bob said you can't have the word "lambda" in a formula, but I guess >> you can.... Yes, you can have the word "lambda" in a formula but you must initializ= e it in the init section of the formula i.e. put it on the left of a "=3D" sign. "lambda =3D (0.85 , 0.6)" in the init section of lambda-2 means that th= e first value of lambda is (0.85 , 0.6). If you don't initialize lambda, its value is 0 and z =3D lambda * z * (1 - z) will be interpreted as z =3D 0 * z * (1 - z) and you'll get a blank scr= een. - Sylvie Sylvie_Gallet@CompuServe.com http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/sylvie/gallet.html http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wdelange@biochem.nl (Wim de Lange) Subject: Re: (fractint) [fractint] oops! Another try! Egyptian frm Date: 08 Sep 1997 07:35:22 GMT Op 5 Sep 97 om 13:44 schreef owner-fractint@xmission.com over: "(fractint) [fractint] oops! Anoth" > > Ok . . . I'll try again! > > Here are the .frm and .par files that Les requested (I think!). Hey, they were all in preview mode. I think they were nice. I've generated them overnight, and now I can generate them again. Groetjes, Wim de Lange _____________________________________ Internet: wdelange@biochem.nl CompuServe: 100142,604 _____________________________________ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rttyman@wwa.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Original Formulae? Date: 08 Sep 1997 04:10:14 -0500 Hello Alice and gang: I'm being very patient in explaining how to write Fractint formulas. In my last message posted Sunday, I said that all terms that can be used to write formulas were listed in Fractint document, Section 2.35 Formula, under *Predefined Variables* and *Precedence.* I further stated that *lambda* was not one of those terms. Sylvie Gallet then posted this formula afterward: > > lambda-1 { ; Sylvie_Gallet@CompuServe.com, Sep 1997 > ; George, if you're lurking here: don't include it > ; in the Orgfrm compilation :-) > z = pixel , lambda = p1 : > z = lambda * z * (1 - z) > |z| <= 4 > } > Alice sees this formula and then states that I, Bob, said one could not use *lambda* in a formula. I again reiterate that *lamba* BY ITSELF (I'm further clarifying here with the emphasis) cannot be used in Fractint formulas: Mademoiselle Gallet's formula is not written as: lambda-1 { ; Sylvie_Gallet@CompuServe.com, Sep 1997 z = pixel: z = lambda * z * (1 - z) |z| <= 4 } If it were written that way, it wouldn't work. What she wrote in her initiator was z = pixel, lambda=p1: She is RENAMING P1, a term listed under *Predefined Variables*, as lambda. She could have just as well typed z=pixel, chickensoup=p1: or z=pixel, alicekelley=p1: The formula would work using chickensoup or alicekelley, which are not found in any of the terms listed under Section 2.35, because *p1* is being renamed. But if she didn't tell the Fractint compiler that she was renaming p1 *chickensoup* or *alicekelley* then the formula wouldn't work (see next example). Next Example ============ This will work as a Fractint formula: Chicken_Soup-1 { ; Bill Clinton@Governmentserv.gov z = pixel , chickensoup = p1 : z = chickensoup * z * (1 - z) |z| <= 4 } This one won't: Chicken_Soup-1 { ; Bill Clinton@Governmentserv.gov z = pixel: z = chickensoup * z * (1 - z) |z| <= 4 } I hope I've made myself clear this time. Now go forth to write many interesting formulas and have a nice day. Bob Margolis Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony Peter Day Subject: RE: (fractint) Let me introduce myself Date: 08 Sep 1997 22:00:37 +1000 Pat, I would love to see some pictures of your work. Regards, Tony Day. tonyd@melb.alexia.net.au -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, 31 August 1997 21:52 Last week I sent the following letter to the members of "fractal-art". The results were beyond belief. I repeat the letter here in case some of you are not mambers of fractal-art. I probably do not belong in this group although I do use Fractint and am very partial to fractals. I came to fractals late in life, being introduced by a friend who is a retired professor at the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey. In the beginning I just played with fractals in a program called "Fractool". Then after being laid low by a stroke and being unable to work I came back to fractals. I found a number of generators (including fractint) that I could play with and as long as I was now a 70 year old cripple I really wanted to do something with fractals. I fell back on an old hobby, that of making hooked rugs. Finding that fractals made a great rug suitable as a wall hanging or as a throw rug. I now make my hooked rugs from 100% 6 ply wool utilizing fractal images as my pattern. I recently made a fractal rug for a N.Y. fractal artist which he will include in a show he is having this fall. This was to be a copy of one of his fractals. When he received the rug here is a quote of his reaction: "It is really quite remarkable. I think the right word is luxurious. It is clear the amount of work that went into it is extraordinary. It's rich texture, weight and thickness are all a great and pleasant surprise to me. My wife thinks it's gorgeous." If any of you would like to see a picture of my work, Email me and I will send one back to you. Pat Graham fracper@aol.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brock Kevin Nambo" Subject: (fractint) Missing formula Date: 08 Sep 1997 08:22:27 -0400 I just got my computer back, and was setting to work on all those lovely (?) .pars and .frms that I got from the mailing lists, when... ...It seems I am missing a formula called 'julioid' and one called 'mandeloid'... ...could anyone tell me where I can find them, or maybe repost, please? TIA, -- H Brock (badger@innocent.com) ____ __ =@==== http://members.aol.com/brockbadge/index.html /_ \ / / H H H "World Domination Through Trivia" -S3Kitties / /\ \/ / H H H Marcher -- -- Nightwatch /_/ \__/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike or Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) [fractint] oops! Another try! Egyptian frm and Date: 08 Sep 1997 08:47:06 -0700 > From: Wim de Lange > Hey, they were all in preview mode. I think they were nice. I've > generated them overnight, and now I can generate them again. Sorry! I should have warned you. I save all my fractals in preview mode because they take up less room that way, but I can view them through ThumbsPlus, which I couldn't do if they were saved in .par/.frm format! Linda Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) Plasma Data Date: 08 Sep 1997 10:07:06 -0600 In article <3.0.3.16.19970907093514.2fcf796c@pop.uky.edu> , Mike Sukop writes: > I would like to be able to get an ASCII file (x,y,z) of the data that makes > up a Plasma fractal. Hmm... well I'm not sure why you think that a plasma fractal has (x,y,z) data, since its not a 3D fractal type, but a fractal image. It has a color index at each (x,y) location in the image. -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Sukop Subject: Re: (fractint) Plasma Data Date: 08 Sep 1997 14:36:25 The 'color index' you mention, which can correspond to an elevation, concentration, density or many other possible variables, is exactly what I am looking for as the 'z' value. Can you help? At 10:07 AM 9/8/97 -0600, Rich Thomson wrote: > >In article <3.0.3.16.19970907093514.2fcf796c@pop.uky.edu> , > Mike Sukop writes: >> I would like to be able to get an ASCII file (x,y,z) of the data that makes >> up a Plasma fractal. > >Hmm... well I'm not sure why you think that a plasma fractal has >(x,y,z) data, since its not a 3D fractal type, but a fractal image. >It has a color index at each (x,y) location in the image. >-- > ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson > email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com > >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) Plasma Data Date: 08 Sep 1997 12:43:35 -0600 In article <3.0.3.16.19970908143625.309f3484@pop.uky.edu> , Mike Sukop writes: > The 'color index' you mention, which can correspond to an elevation, > concentration, density or many other possible variables, is exactly what I > am looking for as the 'z' value. Can you help? Fractint can take any image and use it as a 2D height field. Perhaps that is what you are looking for (the docs suggest starting with an image generated with the 'plasma' type). -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Original Formulae? Date: 08 Sep 1997 15:13:13 -0400 (EDT) > > >I have a tiny question. I would like to know if there's a way to access >the basic formulae in Fractint, ie, to see, say, the basic Mandelbrot >formula in a text editor. I'm trying to understand writing formulae by >attempting to reproduce the basic ones myself... Your best bet is to inspect the file fractint.frm which should have come with Fractint in its zip. I think it has a formula-format version of the classic Mandelbrot. -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Missing formula Date: 08 Sep 1997 15:24:19 -0400 (EDT) > >I just got my computer back, and was setting to work on all those lovely >(?) .pars and .frms that I got from the mailing lists, when... > >...It seems I am missing a formula called 'julioid' and one called >'mandeloid'... > >...could anyone tell me where I can find them, or maybe repost, please? Futz. Those are mine and I posted them in sci.fractals. They should still be there. If they expired, check dejanews. Good luck... -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Cole Subject: Re: (fractint) Original Formulae? Date: 08 Sep 1997 18:57:17 -0700 At 03:37 PM 9/7/97 -0500, you wrote: >A M Kelley wrote: >> >> I have a tiny question. I would like to know if there's a way to access >> the basic formulae in Fractint, ie, to see, say, the basic Mandelbrot >> formula in a text editor. Hi Alice, It seems to me everyone is making this a bit more complicated than it really is. FRM and PAR file are simply straight ascii files. Any word processor will view them, ie: Notepad, Wordpad, Word, etc. I associated them with Textpad so that I can double click on a file in Windows Explorer and the file will automatically open in TextPad. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alex dukay Subject: Re: (fractint) New formulas Date: 08 Sep 1997 22:21:41 -0400 Kerri: There are a couple oh hunddred lines of your zipped file attached to your post, can you or your isp look into this. Thanks Alex Dukay >begin 644 LKM.ZIP >M4$L#!!0````(`,*J)R.A+7I>K!4``"38```'````;&MM+F9R;>U=66_CN)9^& >MK@;Z/Q#UT&W+=F)166JZH@"#NP%SNV>`N;CS6`59IAV594F1Z,36Y/[W>PZI< ...>`` >end >sum -r/size 23604/7951 section (from "begin" to "end") >sum -r/size 65502/5660 entire input file Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alex dukay Subject: Re: (fractint) New formulas Date: 08 Sep 1997 22:30:47 -0400 Kerri, I just realized what the garble was when you reposted. Alex Dukay Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: A M Kelley Subject: Re: (fractint) Original Formulae? Date: 08 Sep 1997 23:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Hi Ed....what I want is a .frm file that has the default fractint fractal types' formulas so that I can read them in a text editor. Sylvie directed me to a possible source of some of them in Orgform, but I was unable to locate them. From what I have seen of the lambdafn I used as an example, it's not going to be easy for me to puzzle all of them out. I find it difficult to believe that no such file exists.--Alice Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rttyman@wwa.com Subject: (fractint) I'd like to see... Date: 08 Sep 1997 22:33:03 -0500 In the next version of Fractint I would like to see a warning that a colormap that is about to saved to disk from the palette editor will overwrite a colormap of the same name. Do you wish to proceed? Y or N? Bob Margolis rttyman@wwa.com A *secret* Fractint admirer Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rttyman@wwa.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Original Formulae? Date: 08 Sep 1997 23:11:26 -0500 A M Kelley wrote: > > Hi Ed....what I want is a .frm file that has the default fractint fractal > types' formulas so that I can read them in a text editor. Hi Alice: It's me again. The default Fractint formulas are not in any default formula file at all. When Fractint was compiled from the C language to the .exe file, the formulas of which you inquire were written into the source code. That is why you can see lambdafn, z(0), and z(n+1) in the formula description box when you look at the nearly 100 default formulas that came with Fractint. What I now think you want is some way to translate the lambdafn fractal type that came with Fractint to a .frm file that would create the same image, but using those terms that are allowable under the *Predefined Variables* and *Precedence* paragraphs I cited in earlie messages. Reiterating, you won't be able to use z(0) or z(n+1) in the formula file you want to write because, although it was hardcoded into the program, the user has to write her formulas in a different manner as outlined in those paragraphs I mentioned. And, lambda was not included in the user- allowed terms in those paragraphs either. What Sylvie did was to rename P1 as lambda in the initialization part of her formula, then instead of writing P1 * z, or whatever the equation was--I don't have it handy at the moment--she wrote lambda * z. Therefore, for lambda, you would be asked to enter real and imaginary numbers for lambda at P1. I hope I'm making myself clear, but if not, here's some more info from the out-of-print book Fractal Creations, 2nd Edition, by The Honorable Tim Wegner and his trusty companion Bert Tyler, which was written for users of Fractint 18. Pages 282-283... Lambdafn Category Mandelbrot/Julia Generalized This type is the Julia variant corresponding to fractal type mandelfn, and is the generalization of type lambda. Formula: Initialize: z=pixel Iterate: cfn(z), where fn(z) is one of conj, cos, cosh, cosxx, cotan, cotanh, exp, flip, ident, log, recip, sin, sinh, sqr, tan, tanh, or zero. Code: Routine Type Routine Name File Fractal engine StandardFractal() CALCFRACT.C Integer math initialization long_julia_per_pixel() FRACTALS.C Integer math orbit LambdaTrigFractal() FRACTALS.C Floating point initialization otherjuliafp_per_pixel() FRACTALS.C Floating point orbit LambdafpFractal() FRACTALS.C So, as I said, the lambdafn formula was written into the C-language files that were compiled to make Fractint. You won't find it in any default formula file. You'll just have to regard it as the *sacrificial lambda*. 8-) Now I'm going back to watch the rest of Monday Night Football. Goodnight folks, Bob Margolis rttyman@wwa.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike or Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) I'd like to see... Date: 08 Sep 1997 22:07:26 -0700 Great suggestion, Bob! Put me down as a "Yea!" for that one! Linda ---------- > From: rttyman@wwa.com > To: fractint@mail.xmission.com > Subject: (fractint) I'd like to see... > Date: Monday, September 08, 1997 8:33 PM > > In the next version of Fractint I would like to see a warning that a > colormap that is about to saved to disk from the palette editor will > overwrite a colormap of the same name. Do you wish to proceed? Y or N? > > Bob Margolis > rttyman@wwa.com > A *secret* Fractint admirer > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Francois Blais" Subject: Re: (fractint) Missing formula Date: 08 Sep 1997 20:27:59 -0400 On 8 Sep 97 at 8:22, Brock Kevin Nambo wrote: > ...It seems I am missing a formula called 'julioid' and one called > 'mandeloid'... > ...could anyone tell me where I can find them, or maybe repost, please? mandeloid { ; By PGD, Aug 1997. p2 is bailout, make >4! Set p1 small to get normal- ; looking Mandelbrots with subtle mutations. p1=0 gives classic M-set. ; p1>.01 gives a noticeably altered M-set. Large values up to 3 give ; interesting results. Imaginary numbers warp symmetry. c=pixel, z=c, a=0, b=0, d=0, e=0, f=0, g=0, h=0, i=0: z=sqr(z)+c+i i=h h=g g=f f=e e=d d=b b=a a=z*p1, lastsqr<=p2 } julioid { ; By PGD, Aug 1997. p2 is Julia parameter. Set p1 small to get normal- ; looking Julias with subtle mutations. p1=0 gives a classic J-set. ; p1 more than an amount dependent on p2 gives a noticeably altered J-set. ; (p2 near M-set edge very sensitive.) Large values up to 3 give ; interesting results. Imaginary numbers warp symmetry. c=p2, z=pixel, a=0, b=0, d=0, e=0, f=0, g=0, h=0, i=0: z=sqr(z)+c+i i=h h=g g=f f=e e=d d=b b=a a=z*p1, lastsqr<=4 } -- La voix de ma contrebasse Quebec City * Canada Thought for the day: Breaking down the dreams we made real... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Martin <76440.1143@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) Original Formulae? Date: 09 Sep 1997 05:57:48 -0400 Hi Alice, You wrote > what I want is a .frm file that has the default fractint fractal types' formulas so that I can read them in a text editor. Sylvie directed me to a possible source of some of them in Orgform, but I was unable to locate them. < Repeating a bit what has already been said here, if you select the type and then hit you will see a brief explanation of the built in type. Also hitting F1 in the menu selection screen will show the documentation's explanation of the type. The idea of writing formulas for the type "formula" feature of fractint which are equivalent to the built in types has been posed as a challenge to Fractint users several times over the years. It turns out that some are easy to do, and others quite difficult. Formulas which were written in answer to these challenges generally have the same name as the built in type, and were collected in .frm files with the names Sylvie mentioned (builtn.frm, builtn01.frm, and builtn2.frm; I think there also may have been a file "parser.frm" which did the same thing). To see the built in type "lambdafn", for example, you would look in the orgform compilation files _l.frm and _l_dup.frm for formulas with the name "lambdafn". Hitting F2 while the formula name is highlighted in the menu selection screen will show you the text of the formula. You probably have someone's stab at casting the built in type as a formula. If there is no formula in the compilation with the same name as the built in type, it means that no one has yet written a formula equivalent of the built in type. You can collect all of the formulas in the orgform compilation which have a common source into a single .frm file by using the /r switch. For example, the following command orgform builtn.frm /r will cause orgform to search the entire compilation, and copy any formula with a line ";SOURCE: builtn.frm" to a file reconstr.frm (successive runs with this switch append the formulas to reconstr.frm, so you can collect the formulas from several sources into this one file). A big caveat is necessary here - the reconstructed file may not have all the formulas that the original file had. This happens when a formula from a file was not added to the orgform compilation because an identical version of the formula was already in the compilation from another source. Also, inter formula text is not copied into the orgform compilation, and will therefore also will be missing from the reconstr.frm reconstruction of the file. Hope this helps George Martin Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Kolasa Subject: (fractint) OT - Saving Win95 Text files as PAR Date: 09 Sep 1997 09:20:00 -0400 Fractallistas, I'm always humbled by the mathematical expertise, esthetic sense, and sheer energy exhibited by those who are frequent posters to these lists. Occasions to meaningfully contribute to the group dialog occur to me infrequently at best so when I find something which makes my fractal imaging easier I feel the need to share it with the group in the hope that it will make someone else's efforts go a little smoother. Please forgive me if this message is too far off topic. Something that has bothered me (much like a fly that won't let one alone) for several years was not being able to save a PAR file using Win95's notepad without it adding a .txt extension to the name of the file, for example name.par.txt. After saving about a month's worth of Jim Muth's wonderful FOTD's to disk I'd have to go back and right click on the file name and remove the .txt extension from a long list of files. Last week I happened upon a Win95 Notepad replacement called Notepad+. In it's documentation are a few tips which I've found invaluable: - if you wish to keep Win95 from adding an extension to your filename simply put the filename in quotes when you save it, for example "a:\filename.par". - if you want to make that change permanent go into Explorer's View Options and click File Type, Add New File Type and in the dialog box that appears put .PAR next to the associated extension and have it open with Notepad. Then you will never have to remove the .txt extension from a .par file ever again! I highly recommend Notepad+. It is freeware (in the spirit of Fractint) and allows one to open many text files at once. It is really good for editing Web Pages. Notepad's rather small file size limitation is also addressed. Notepad+ lets you open text files as large as 400K. You can find Notepad+ at http://www.download.com. Search for Notepads+ (Note that the filename is Notepads+ with an 's'). There are 16 and 32 bit versions of the software. Dave Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Silver Subject: (fractint) FC99 candidates Date: 09 Sep 1997 07:40:06 -0600 Will the following people please contact me immediately about the images they submitted for the 1999 Fractal Calendar: Brian E Jones Caren Park Earl Hinrichs Ron Barnett Roland Silver | e-mail: rollo@artvark.com 216M N. Pueblo Rd, #107 | Website: http://www.artvark.com/artvark/ Taos, NM 87571 USA | Voice: 505-776-9601; FAX: 505-776-5776 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James P. Carr" Subject: (fractint) hp500c printer Date: 09 Sep 1997 08:55:33 How can I get fractint to use the color capabilities of my hp DeskJet 500C printer? My thanks to anyone who can help me. James P. Carr 1812 E. Elmdale Ct. jpcarr@alphaj.csd.uwm.edu Shorewood, Wi 55321 Home: 414-332-2919 Work: 229-4469 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: A M Kelley Subject: Re: (fractint) Win 95 Date: 09 Sep 1997 11:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: A M Kelley Subject: Re: (fractint) Win 95 Date: 09 Sep 1997 11:46:32 -0400 (EDT) I have no idea how this happened....my apologies!--Alice On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, A M Kelley wrote: > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) OT - Saving Win95 Text files as PAR Date: 09 Sep 1997 10:10:28 -0600 BTW, I learned a Win95 trick the other day that might be handy to share with others. You can add menu items to the context-sensitive menu in Win95, customizing GIF file extensions to understand how to work with fractint! Here's how. In an explorer window: 1. select the View / Options... menu item. 2. select the "file types" tab 3. select the entry in the list for GIF files 4. click edit 5. Add a new action: Name fractint Program (browse to your fractint.exe) OK out of the dialogs Now when you right button on a gif file, you should see a "fractint" entry in the menu. Selecting this runs fractint with the gif file as an argument on the command line, loading the GIF file into fractint. -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angel Rivera" Subject: Re: (fractint) OT - Saving Win95 Text files as PAR Date: 09 Sep 1997 16:16:08 -0400 Rich Thomson said: > BTW, I learned a Win95 trick the other day that might be handy to > share with others. You can add menu items to the context-sensitive > menu in Win95, customizing GIF file extensions to understand how to > work with fractint! [snip instructions] Me being the fanatic I am, I went and tried this right away! It worked, but not until Fractint first whined about not having FRACTINT.CFG or some such thing; I tried again, with a different one, and it did it again . . . Does it do that to you, or did you not have that problem? >>Brock Nambo -- H badger@innocent.com newsmaster@earthling.net ____ __ =@==== http://members.aol.com/brockbadge/index.html /_ \ / / H H H "World Domination Through Trivia" -S3Kitties / /\ \/ / H H H Marcher -- -- Nightwatch /_/ \__/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) OT - Saving Win95 Text files as PAR Date: 09 Sep 1997 14:33:23 -0600 In article <199709092019.QAA23197@ren.globecomm.net> , "Angel Rivera" writes: > Me being the fanatic I am, I went and tried this right away! It worked, but > not until Fractint first whined about not having FRACTINT.CFG or some such > thing; I tried again, with a different one, and it did it again . . . Does > it do that to you, or did you not have that problem? I have had some troubles with this too. I think its a problem with the way fractint searches for fractint.cfg; it seems to be searching the current directory only and whining when it can't find it. See if putting the directory where fractint is located in the path in your autoexec.bat and see if that stops the whining. -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: (fractint) large GIF problems Date: 10 Sep 1997 23:45:50 -0600 Quite a while ago Jon Noring ran into a bug in the simplgif program that comes with Fractint. This program combines the multiple image GIFs that Fractint produces when making giant images. Jon sent me a huge example that illustrated the bug, but a while ago I accidently deleted it, and I don't believe Jon has it anymore either. Similarly, Fractint's GIF encoder occasionally fails, usually on images with very few colors, such as you might have when doing on piece of a much larger image. We juggled the lzw parameters in Fractint and all the existing examples of the bug were fixed, but we had the definite feeling that we were only hiding the problem. Does anyone have any example PAR files that generate images that fractint cannot save properly, or that simplgif cannot handle? Thanks. There's a replacement for simplgif (I forget the name, Jon has mentioned it here), but we'd still like to squash the bug. However, the bug in Fractint's encoder is more serious, because if you run into it you won't be able to save the image. Examples will help us track down these bugs. Tim Wegner Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) large GIF problems Date: 11 Sep 1997 02:03:50 -0400 Hi Tim, >> Does anyone have any example PAR files that generate images that = >> fractint cannot save properly, or that simplgif cannot handle? = This is an example PAR file that I generated at 1920x1440. Simplgif cannot handle the 3840x2880 image. FRMIG_00.GIF { reset=3D1720 type=3Djulia passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-0.761158/0.570918/1.752782 params=3D-0.7449236170000129/0.1266985930000004 float=3Dy maxiter=3D102= 3 inside=3D0 outside=3D3 distest=3D-1/1/1920/1440 colors=3D000000zzzzzz000<250>000 } FRMIG_01.GIF { reset=3D1720 type=3Djulia passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-0.761158/-0.570918/1.752782 params=3D-0.7449236170000129/0.1266985930000004 float=3Dy maxiter=3D102= 3 inside=3D0 outside=3D3 distest=3D-1/1/1920/1440 colors=3D000000zzzzzz000<250>000 } FRMIG_10.GIF { reset=3D1720 type=3Djulia passes=3D1 center-mag=3D0.761158/0.570918/1.7= 52782 params=3D-0.7449236170000129/0.1266985930000004 float=3Dy maxiter=3D102= 3 inside=3D0 outside=3D3 distest=3D-1/1/1920/1440 colors=3D000000zzzzzz000<250>000 } FRMIG_11.GIF { reset=3D1720 type=3Djulia passes=3D1 center-mag=3D0.761158/-0.570918/1.752782 params=3D-0.7449236170000129/0.1266985930000004 float=3Dy maxiter=3D102= 3 inside=3D0 outside=3D3 distest=3D-1/1/1920/1440 colors=3D000000zzzzzz000<250>000 } Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: Re: (fractint) large GIF problems Date: 11 Sep 1997 05:40:04 -0700 Sylvie Gallet >Someone else wrote: >> Does anyone have any example PAR files that generate images that >> fractint cannot save properly, or that simplgif cannot handle? >This is an example PAR file that I generated at 1920x1440. Simplgif >cannot handle the 3840x2880 image. > >FRMIG_00.GIF { >[snip] Tim will no doubt have the final word on the yet-to-be-solved problems with Fractint's Divide and Conquer method (D&C). He's very familiar with them. I've spent over three years learning how to reliably use D&C to produce very large fractal images. I now routinely produce images as large as 18432x13824 (using an 18x18 array of 1024x768) for making 8x10" Ektachrome transparencies at 2032 d.p.i. The road to do this (especially at large image sizes) is fraught with a few pot holes. For example, certain Fractint images won't save properly (those with very simple banding which are often saved as part of D&C). Many times I have to use D&C at a very small scale to properly reproduce these pieces, or I'll double the resolution and then use an image processing utility to half the resolution (it's o.k. to use this method for those images with simple banding). Another problem which Tim knows about is a bug in Simplgif. Sometimes it just blows up, and as far as I know Tim has not yet found the bug. Anyway, I highly recommend a utility by Mr. Paasen in the Netherlands named "Image Arithmetic" which is much more reliable, more flexible, and requires little disk memory to run (with Simplgif and GIF Construction Set, to assemble the 18x18 array of 1024x768 images I'd have to have 1.2 *gigs* of free hard disk space. With "imageart", I only need enough space to hold the final assembled image.) There's a couple other fersnickety things about D&C as well, which maybe I'll talk about in a future "tutorial" I'm thinking of writing. But once you get D&C working, the sky's the limit for image size. I plan to soon tile a 28x28 array of 1024x768 image to make a 28672x21504 image for writing to 8x10" transparencies at 3048 dpi, near to the grain limits of the film -- unless I plan to make much larger transparencies or if the new direct-to- print film technologies increase their write resolution, this is about as far as one will ever need to go to make disply prints up to 50" in size, even allowing for anti-aliasing at 2:1 reduction. Jon Noring _____________________________________________________________________________ OmniMedia Digital Publishing | E-Books: http://www.awa.com/library/omnimedia 9671 S. 1600 West St. | Digital/Fractal Art: (coming soon!) South Jordan, UT 84095 | 801-253-4037 | E-mail: omnimedia@netcom.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VRCH78B@prodigy.com (MR CHARLES F CROCKER) Subject: (fractint) Magnification Date: 11 Sep 1997 15:52:12, -0500 Hi All For the last twelve years I have hat a pet peeve, and it is using magnification to define a picture. In order to use it you need a base. Way back in August of 85 it got defined as the reciprocal of the length of a side of the picture. Up to a point this serves, but at any resolution this constant. A 1024X728 view and a 320X200 view are obviously radically different in detail so we don't have empty magnification as occurs with a microscope where beyond some point there is no more detail visable. Fractint has the same problem where the height of the serves as the reference. I have used pixel size as the basic reference. The conversion is easy enough. Dividing 2 by magnification gives pixel size, but with far more apparent accuracy than needed. Four significant figures beyond a number of zeros would let us size a 10Kx10K to within one pixel. There are a number of advantages to this approach. Round off calculation errors would be reduced, Pictures of multiple parts would have exactly known corner coordinates, and scaling would be more precise. Who can appreciate a magnification given to 17 places? I know that this is a too deeply ingrained convention to be replaced but lets have a choice. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim & Jackie Gennette" Subject: (fractint) Fractint and win95 Date: 11 Sep 1997 16:13:07 -0400 Hello, I'm new to this list and to Fractint. I'm a mere novice and wondered if someone can tell me how to use Fractint in win95? I have a Pentium 133 with 16 RAM. I can shut down to DOS to run it but can't seem to get it to work from with win95. I can deal with using DOS but am curious if anyone can give me any hints. Thanks. Tim Gennette **Make a Fast Friend and Adopt a Greyhound** **Racing into your Heart and onto the Couch** Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Justin Kolodziej <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint and win95 Date: 11 Sep 1997 16:04:17 -0500 -----Original Message----- >Hello, > >I'm new to this list and to Fractint. I'm a mere novice and wondered >if someone can tell me how to use Fractint in win95? > >I have a Pentium 133 with 16 RAM. > >I can shut down to DOS to run it but can't seem to get it to work >from with win95. I can deal with using DOS but am curious if anyone >can give me any hints. > I'm having a slightly different problem than the above. I can get Fractint to run on my PPro 180 with 32 MB RAM, but when I try to save the image, the lines that appear on the side to show the progress of the save end up repeating the first few lines after a certain point. When I open a DOS prompt, not necessarily restarting in DOS mode, Fractint works fine. Does anybody have any idea why this is? Justin Kolodziej -- no cool signature :( -- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: (fractint) Unconventional use of FractInt Date: 12 Sep 1997 15:08:21 -0400 Hello, Yesterday I had occasion to use FractInt in a rather unconventional fashion. A friend of mine had several monitors he was working on, and he wanted to be able to display a color test pattern on them so he could adjust the monitor settings appropriately. But he didn't have anything handy that would do the job, let along in different display modes. FractInt to the rescue! :) I wrote a quick formula to display some color bars on the screen, tweaked the FRACTINT.CFG and SSTOOLS.INI file to come up with that by default, in just the mode he wanted, and sent it off to him. He's ecstatic. Perhaps one of these days he'll try hitting keys and figure out what FractInt is REALLY all about. :) Damien M. Jones / temporary sanity designs / http://www.emi.net/~dmj/ dmj@emi.net / my gallery: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ing. Marcelo Anelli C." Subject: RE: (fractint) Fractint and win95 Date: 11 Sep 1997 23:21:33 -0400 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCBFC3.F95D4AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The trouble is not the Pentium but the Svga card. If you have trouble = run in W95 at full screen with the textsafe=3Dsave, below is my = configuration file, it work fine under W95 with some video switching. ; SSTOOLS.INI file. ; Marcelo Anelli ; marcelo.anelli@bigfoot.com [fractint] video=3DSF7 savetime=3D060 textsafe=3Dsave overwrite=3Dno tempdir=3Dd:\temp workdir=3Dd:\fractal\fint parmfile=3Dd:\fractal\fint\par formulafile=3Dd:\fractal\fint\frm lfile=3Dd:\fractal\fint\ifs ifsfile=3Dd:\fractal\fint\ifs map=3Dd:\fractal\fint\map ;exitnoask=3Dyes [Winfract] WinfractPosition=3D195, 52 ZoomOut=3DFalse WindowSizing=3DFalse ImageWidth=3D320 ImageHeight=3D200 CoordinateBoxOpen=3DFalse CoordBoxPosition=3D554, 4 Marcelo Anelli C. marcelo.anelli@bigfoot.com +58(2)2418336 +58(14)178304 -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, September 11, 1997 5:04 PM -----Original Message----- >Hello, > >I'm new to this list and to Fractint. I'm a mere novice and wondered >if someone can tell me how to use Fractint in win95? > >I have a Pentium 133 with 16 RAM. > >I can shut down to DOS to run it but can't seem to get it to work >from with win95. I can deal with using DOS but am curious if anyone >can give me any hints. > I'm having a slightly different problem than the above. I can get = Fractint to run on my PPro 180 with 32 MB RAM, but when I try to save the image, = the lines that appear on the side to show the progress of the save end up repeating the first few lines after a certain point. When I open a DOS prompt, not necessarily restarting in DOS mode, Fractint works fine. = Does anybody have any idea why this is? 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=_NextPart_000_01BCBFC3.F95D4AE0-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Hine Subject: (fractint) Truecolor bug... Date: 14 Sep 1997 12:38:03 -0600 (MDT) Howdy folks... With Damien's help, I am making reasonable progress on my code to allow unattended zooming into the M-set. I've decided to use Fractint's truecolor=yes option to produce a Targa file with the iteration values in it, rather than try to derive relative iteration values from a GIF image. My intent was to produce an image with viewwindows=yes, at about 50x38 pixels, and save that image as iterates.tga. I want an image size of about 50x38 for two reasons: (a) the images will take less time to render (very important for deepzooms), and (b) there are memory requirement problems when I try to declare a 320x200 array on my PC. The problem is that it appears the iterates.tga file is corrupted if viewwindows is on (thanks again to Damien!). Problem b) can be jury-rigged by only reading in every other pixel in every other row, resulting an a final array 1/4 the size of te original. Problem a) is more of a cosmetic problem, but will become a big deal when we get fairly deep. So I guess I'll work around these problems for now, but wht is the chances of the bug getting fixed, so that we can save truecolor images with viewwindows on? Thanks all, Jason _ __ ___ ____ _____ ______ _______ ______ _____ ____ ___ __ _ _ __ ___ ___ __ _ _ __ ___ Jason N Hine ___ __ _ _ __ ___ GIS Specialist ___ __ _ _ __ ___ http://boralf.agsci.colostate.edu/~jason ___ __ _ _ __ ___ jason@cnr.colostate.edu ___ __ _ _ __ ___ ____ _____ ______ _______ ______ _____ ____ ___ __ _ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YahooBRI@aol.com Subject: (fractint) colorz Date: 14 Sep 1997 16:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Hello everyone. I've been using fractint for Windows for a short period of time now and have found it to be a phenomenal program. I'm at the experimental phase now, though, and am trying to find a way to customize the colors that Fractint chooses to use for escape-time fractals. Do I have to program in these new variables? If so, How? Since I am not a programming wiz, would it be better to seek out other color maps that have already been written in the hopes that I will get the desired hues? If so, can you suggest the best place to begin my search? Thanx. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: A M Kelley Subject: (fractint) FC2000 Date: 14 Sep 1997 17:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Julian, all the instructions for calendar submissions can be found at Rollo's web page: http://www.artvark.com/artvark. --Alice Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Truecolor bug... Date: 14 Sep 1997 16:18:36 -0600 Jason asked: > So I guess I'll work around these problems for now, but what is the > chance of the bug getting fixed, so that we can save truecolor images > with viewwindows on? I've found and fixed this. The workaround for now is to make a diskvideo mode the size you want, and not using viewwindows. In the next version this will be fixed. If anyone else has this problem let me know. Tim Wegner Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) OT - Saving Win95 Text files as PAR Date: 15 Sep 1997 12:44:22 -0700 For editing ASCII files, I really like PFE, programmers file editor, for windows and windows 95. http://www.lancs.ac.uk/people/cpaap/pfe/features.htm Jay Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Donald Archer Subject: (fractint) NYC fractal show Date: 16 Sep 1997 18:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Everybody welcome to my NYC exhibit of large output (24" x 36") fractal prints on canvas now thru Saturday, October 11 at: Vanderbilt YMCA 224 East 47th Street (betw. 2nd and 3rd Aves) New York City Lobby exhibit, open 24 hours daily. Many of these prints are U-draw fractals drawn by viewer input to my sites at: http://www.dorsai.org/~arch and/or http://www.ingress.com/~arch Thanks for visiting! Don Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com (Grasso, Nick) Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox Millenium cards Date: 17 Sep 1997 14:46:27 -0400 At 06:28 PM 8/29/97 -0600, Tim Wegner wrote: > >BTW I'm following the NT/Matrox thread with interest. Unfortunately I >have neither NT nor a Matrox, so I'm helpless to comment. I really >appreciate all the folks who have jumped in and shared (this is one >reason for the list). Bert Tyler has NT. I don't think he joined the >list, but I'll ask him to view the achive web page and search for >"NT" or "Matrox". Regarding running fractint under Windows NT 4.0 with a Matrox Millennium (or other cards) in SVGA modes: During the last 3 weeks I have sent two messages to Matrox tech support and a message to tech support at the company who build my system and I have not received any reply. However, I did find the following recent document on Microsoft's Knowledge Base. Here is the complete text. Read it and weep. ---------------Start Q155259 VESA Drivers Not Supported in a VDM Last reviewed: August 13, 1997 Article ID: Q155259 The information in this article applies to: Microsoft Windows NT Server version 4.0 Microsoft Windows NT Workstation version 4.0 SUMMARY When you attempt to load a VESA video driver in a Virtual DOS Machine (VDM), the driver either fails to load or does not work properly. MORE INFORMATION Windows NT does not support loading VESA video drivers in a VDM. Even though some VESA video drivers may load properly and seem to funtion correctly in a VDM, this is not recommended. Windows NT by design denies direct access to the hardware to all programs. Any program that tries to use direct hardware calls will fail in Windows NT. ---------------End Q155259 Well, this does not look good, although it doesn't make any sense to me. Like I said in previous messages, I am not getting an error message from NT, but rather a message from my monitor saying that the synch freq is out of range. Why would NT cause the video card to send the wrong synch freq? Tim, did you ever ask Bert Tyler about this? If anyone else has any further information, please share it with us. Hope this helps, Nick nick.grasso@hrads.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: (fractint) dmj-pub.frm Date: 17 Sep 1997 15:32:08 -0400 --=====================_874539128==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Howdy folks, Attached to this message is a formula file containing all the new coloring algorithms I have made for FractInt, for both the Mandelbrot set and the NovaM fractal. Many of these are variations on orbit trap types; a few are based on formulae Kerry Mitchell posted here recently. There are over 100 different formulae in this file. Details as to what each formula does are contained in the "dmj--Read-Me-First" formula which will be the first one listed. Although I have only provided versions of the algorithms for Mandelbrot and NovaM types, instructions are included on how to adapt the techniques to other types. Each formula is extensively commented as well. Lee Skinner asked for example PARs to show some of what is possible. I have forty or so images produced with these formulae (and a few other formulae that aren't ready for "prime time") so I don't really want to post PARs for all of them here. I hope to have most of them up on my web gallery later today. Here are six, though, to show you what is possible with these techniques: -----8<----- Start PAR file ; example PARs for dmj-pub.frm ; Copyright 1997 Damien M. 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Jones / temporary sanity designs / http://www.emi.net/~dmj/ dmj@emi.net / my gallery: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/ --=====================_874539128==_-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "P.Toth Andras" Subject: (fractint) Joining Date: 17 Sep 1997 11:35:00 +1 Microsoft Mail v3.0 IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note K|ldo: P.Toth Andras Cmmzett: Fractint Targy: Joining Datum: 1997-09-17 11:35 Prioritas: Rvgzmtett bet9tmpus-kiszlet: 0001 \zenetazonosmts: A1543415 Beszilgetisazonosmts: A1543415 ############################################################################## Sorry for the lame header - the mail program does it :( Well, hello to everybody. This is my first time to send a mail to this list - I hope You won't mind my beginner questions! Basically my problem is not with Fractint, but making fractal calculations faster. I worked with Mandelbrot fractals for about 2 months. As I work on Commodore 64 (1 Mhz) the calculation time is very important - so if You have any good ideas to speed up Mandelbrot calculations, please let me know! My ideas were: -Use 2 bytes for numbers (1 bit negative flag, 3 bits for whole, 12 bits for decimal) Ofcourse 2 complements. -Give the iteration counter maximum a little value (f.e. 10) -I don't know the special name for this stuff: the maximum distance of the moving point { sqrt(x*x+y*y)>=maxdistance }. Well, I used no squareroot function, I calculated the distance and compared oit with the maxdistance squared (maxdistance was 2) Yes, I think these were the basic improvements (only :( ). There were some more like coding the multiplier routine faster (the C64 has no inbuilt command like MUL), etc. There MUST be other ways of speeding up the routine, coz I saw fullscreen (160x200) REALTIME mandelbrot fractals calculated in 4 seconds... Anyway, thank you for your help, and please forgive my bad english and poor sentences, but I'm in the middle of a MS-Works lesson and I could not concentrate perfectly. Best wishes: Andras P.Toth (Hungary) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sky Nelson Subject: (fractint) Getting fractint Date: 17 Sep 1997 14:31:51 -0700 (MST) I would like to download fractint, but I am concerned about viruses (I just started doing web downloading last night.) Anybody have any help or ideas about how to avoid viruses or get a viral disinfectant program for a PC with windows 95? Thank you! Sky Nelson Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) Getting fractint Date: 17 Sep 1997 16:16:25 -0600 > I would like to download fractint, but I am concerned about viruses The fractint ZIP file on Spanky is not contaminated. Look at and follow the fractint links to download the ZIP file. -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Riley Subject: Re: (fractint) Getting fractint Date: 17 Sep 1997 16:24:57 -0700 From: Sky Nelson Subject: (fractint) Getting fractint > I would like to download fractint, but I am concerned about viruses (I > just started doing web downloading last night.) Anybody have any help or > ideas about how to avoid viruses or get a viral disinfectant program for > a PC with windows 95? ---------------End of Original Message----------------- Both McAfee and Norton produce capable virus scan programs. I personally use McAfee since we bought a site licence here at work. Their web site is: http://www.mcafee.com But don't get too paranoid. I've had access to the internet (in its various shapes and forms) for over 10 years, and I have _never_ encountered a virus. I worked with someone who would scream "VIRUS" at least once a week. In every case, it turned out that, with his limited computer abilities, he either didn't know how to run a particular program, or he had his system so twisted in a knot (messed up or missing configuration files, misplaced files, incomplete installation) that nothing would work. ----------------------------------------- | Tim Riley | | Institute for Telecommunication Science | | National Telecommunications and | | Information Administration | | US Dept. of Commerce | | Boulder, Colorado | | E-mail:triley@its.bldrdoc.gov | | Per favore spenga le Sue scarpe | | davanti abbandonare il nave spaziale. | ----------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Subject: (fractint) Using FractInt with an Imagine 128... Date: 17 Sep 1997 18:39:54 -0500 Hello everyone! This is my first posting to the FractInt list and I am wondering if anybody on the list uses an Imagine 128 (mine has 4 meg of ram) to draw their fractals? It seems that the chipset on the card only allows for 512k in DOS which doesn't allow for very good resolution! I've been told that I need a DOS VESA driver so if anybody could help me I'd appreciate it! I have a 21" Viewsonic PS and am really looking forward to finding some incredible images! If it turns out that this card is pretty bogus for drawing fractals, I'd entertain upgrading to a new video card. I am wondering if 3D accelerators also can provide a benefit with the FractInt program. I've had this Imagine 128 for about two years so I am kinda in need for an upgrade anyway! What would be the ultimate card for drawing with a Pentium system? I also use Win95 for games and Netscape so the card would have to work with this as well. Looking forward to any replies! Sincerely, Tim Maxwell Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry Bluestein Subject: (fractint) Old L-System bug Date: 17 Sep 1997 19:15:23 -0500 I would love to know if there is a fix for a bug that crept into Fractint DOS after ver 14 or 15 (the one that shipped with the Waite Press Fractint book). Prior to this bug, the L-System 'ColorSnowflake' would generate symmetrical images at levels at least as high as 8. Since then, any value over 5 results in a warped, asymetrical image being generated. This bug has performed on all machines I have ever tested it on. Any thoughts? If nescessary, I would even be willing to load a pre-bug version of Fractint just to access this one formula. It's easily my favorite 'fractal'. -- Barry Bluestein TeleJamaica Design Project Manager USAID/Kingston 2 Hainning Rd Kingston 5, Jamaica, W.I. 809-926-5001 x3327 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry Bluestein Subject: Re: (fractint) NYC fractal show Date: 17 Sep 1997 19:16:43 -0500 Donald Archer wrote: > Everybody welcome to my NYC exhibit of large output (24" x 36") > fractal prints on canvas now thru Saturday, October 11 at: > > Vanderbilt YMCA > 224 East 47th Street > (betw. 2nd and 3rd Aves) > New York City > Lobby exhibit, open 24 hours daily. > > Many of these prints are U-draw fractals drawn by viewer input to my sites at: > [snip] What is "U-draw?" -- Barry Bluestein TeleJamaica Design Project Manager USAID/Kingston 2 Hainning Rd Kingston 5, Jamaica, W.I. 809-926-5001 x3327 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Donald Archer Subject: Re: (fractint) NYC fractal show Date: 17 Sep 1997 21:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Barry, >Donald Archer wrote: > >> Everybody welcome to my NYC exhibit of large output (24" x 36") >> fractal prints on canvas now thru Saturday, October 11 at: >> >> Vanderbilt YMCA >> 224 East 47th Street >> (betw. 2nd and 3rd Aves) >> New York City >> Lobby exhibit, open 24 hours daily. >> >> Many of these prints are U-draw fractals drawn by viewer input to my sites >What is "U-draw? A forms page is provided on my sites for viewers to submit by email to me random numbers and functions. I then draw an image in Fractint based on these parameters using (I hope) interesting formulas, affix the submitter's name, then post the image to my site. The viewers love it and I love the action and the challange. I call these fractals U-draws. My U-draw sites are: http://www.dorsai.org/~arch and/or http://www.ingress.com/~arch Don Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: Re: (fractint) Old L-System bug Date: 17 Sep 1997 20:56:22 -0500 Barry Bluestein wrote: > I would love to know if there is a fix for a bug that crept into Fractint DOS > after ver 14 or 15 (the one that shipped with the Waite Press Fractint book). > Prior to this bug, the L-System 'ColorSnowflake' would generate symmetrical > images at levels at least as high as 8. Since then, any value over 5 results in > a warped, asymetrical image being generated. > > This bug has performed on all machines I have ever tested it on. > > Any thoughts? If nescessary, I would even be willing to load a pre-bug version > of Fractint just to access this one formula. It's easily my favorite 'fractal'. > > -- > Barry Bluestein > TeleJamaica Design Project Manager Mr. Bluestein has a point here. Both the "Snowflake2" and "SnowflakeColor" L-system types go haywire on levels 5 and above. On level 5, the first few mini-snowflakes are drawn OK, but then it seems the program realizes that the entire snowflake won't fit on the screen and scales the remaining segments to fit, with disasterous results. Level 6 is so screwed up that only the first largest sub-snowflake (which, by the way, IS the level 5 snowflake) is entirely on the screen. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole thing supposed to be on the screen? If anyone out there has any ideas on this, such as what might be wrong or how to fix it, send 'em in! Justin Kolodziej -- no cool signature :( -- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: (fractint) L-System Fractal Wanted! Date: 17 Sep 1997 21:17:40 -0500 Ever since I've seen the "Twin Dragon Skin" fractal described in Benoit B. Mandelbrot's book, "The Fractal Geometry of Nature", I've wanted to see what it looked like. So far, it hasn't appeared in any book that I checked in iterated form, only in generator form. I was hoping it would be included in the L-system fractals, but alas! No such luck! So, if anyone out there has a formula file for this or (horror of horrors!) can tell me how to do it myself, I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks! Justin Kolodziej -- no cool signature :( -- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Old L-System bug Date: 17 Sep 1997 22:40:37 -0600 Barry wrote: > I would love to know if there is a fix for a bug that crept into Fractint DOS > after ver 14 or 15 (the one that shipped with the Waite Press Fractint book). > Prior to this bug, the L-System 'ColorSnowflake' would generate symmetrical > images at levels at least as high as 8. Since then, any value over 5 results in > a warped, asymetrical image being generated. I have known about this bug for years, but your raising it again cast some light. The bug does not appear in 16.11 but does appear in 17.2. In between those versions assembler speedup code was added. Generally in Fractint the debug=90 option disables assembler and uses the C code, but this doesn't work for lsys as near as I can tell, so the C code is not used. On a hunch I tried the Xfractint version, which of course does not use the assembler. The snowflakecolor fractal was OK at level 6. This suggests that the assembler is where the bug is. I'll investigate adding a switch to use the C code in the DOS version. I've mentioned this to Adrian mariano, the assembler author, but I haven't heard from him in a while. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Evin C Robertson Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox Millenium cards Date: 18 Sep 1997 08:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Like the excerpt from Microsoft states, NT does not like programs directly talking to the hardware; the hardware abstraction layer is talked to instead. This means all the great SVGA detection logic in fractint can't work properly. I tried using fractint under NT before, and none of the higher resolution modes were available, and some of the modes had interesting side effects. I don't recomend using DOS fractint under NT. NT is a good operating system, and fractint is a good program, but they don't cooperate very well. I recomend either using the dual boot in NT to boot to DOS (if you have a copy of it), or using the (oh no) windows port of fractint. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Joining Date: 18 Sep 1997 10:01:13 -0400 (EDT) > -Use 2 bytes for numbers (1 bit negative flag, 3 bits for whole, 12 bits for >decimal) Ofcourse 2 complements. Fixed point math. (The C-64 uses 2's complement? kewl. I don't remember much about my old C-64, except that signed char was from -128 to 127, consistent with bias-128 or 2's...) For deeper zooms try 4 bytes, 1 sign bit, 3 bits point 28. For types other than mandelbrot you have problems if the set is bigger than +/-7. There goes continuous potential, labmda-cos z, etc. (Did the C-64 have an FPU? If not how come BASIC could deal with float types? Emulation?) > -Give the iteration counter maximum a little value (f.e. 10) 10? That'll give you a triangular black blob and a few bands of color :P Any decent Mandelbrotting requires it to be at least a small int. Try an unsigned int, 2 bytes 0-65535. (Gets slow for high iters of course.) > -I don't know the special name for this stuff: the maximum distance of the >moving point { sqrt(x*x+y*y)>=maxdistance }. Well, I used no squareroot >function, I calculated the distance and compared oit with the maxdistance >squared (maxdistance was 2) That will save some cycles. (Watch out for overflow. Don't forget if the real or imag parts goes above 7 or below -8 it will wrap with your fixed point numbers.) > Yes, I think these were the basic improvements (only :( ). There were some >more like coding the multiplier routine faster (the C64 has no inbuilt >command like MUL), etc. Gak! I remember that. No MUL! Yack. I coded a 64-bit fixed point mult... in asm... never actually tried to run the darn thing. Afraid of the result probably. :) > There MUST be other ways of speeding up the routine, coz I saw fullscreen >(160x200) REALTIME mandelbrot fractals calculated in 4 seconds... 160x200...gak! That was the biggest mode wasn't it...160x200x16. eeeuw. Nowadays if you catch a vid card that won't do 320x240x256 you throw it back and try again. -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox Millenium cards Date: 18 Sep 1997 10:06:13 -0400 (EDT) > >Like the excerpt from Microsoft states, NT does not like programs >directly talking to the hardware; the hardware abstraction layer is >talked to instead. This means all the great SVGA detection logic in >fractint can't work properly. I tried using fractint under NT before, >and none of the higher resolution modes were available, and some of the >modes had interesting side effects. I don't recomend using DOS fractint >under NT. NT is a good operating system, and fractint is a good >program, but they don't cooperate very well. I recomend either using >the dual boot in NT to boot to DOS (if you have a copy of it), or using >the (oh no) windows port of fractint. Two words. Disk-video, and, GIF-viewer. -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: (fractint) About out of print books... Date: 18 Sep 1997 09:13:15 -0700 To all who are looking for Fractal Creations 2nd edition. Sorry for the delay. I'll post more definite search results about this in a few weeks. Jay Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sky Nelson Subject: (fractint) entering my own algorythyms Date: 18 Sep 1997 10:31:39 -0700 (MST) How do all of you enter your own algorythyms into fractint? Or do you use fractint? I wrote a program at home to do this, but I am now on a Unix at school, and would love to know if I can actually enter new equations of my own into fractint, for it to plot... Thanks! Sky Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) entering my own algorythyms Date: 18 Sep 1997 15:25:33 -0600 Sky Nelson writes: > How do all of you enter your own algorythyms into fractint? Read the formula tutorial and the help files for the formula fractal type. Synopsis: my_formula_fractal { reset type=formula formulafile=mystuff.frm formulaname=my_formula ; corners=... ; colors=... ; etc. } -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GEDEON PETERI Subject: (fractint) video modes Date: 18 Sep 1997 17:37:30 -0400 The following questions are not directly related to fractals or Fractint, but they are at least motivated solely by my desire to maximize my ability to generate fractals at the highest possible resolution. If I am not mistaken, such questions were invited in the introduction to this mailing list. I am woefully ignorant about some things. In particular, I am somewhat embarrassed to say, I am not completely clear about the difference between video upgrade kits, video drivers, and video cards. I have a NEC Ready 9710 machine (166 Mhz Pentium MMX; 16MB RAM; 2MB video RAM). My manual says that a video upgrade kit is available to raise video memory to 4MB, but I suspect that there are ways to go beyond that by addition of cards, drivers, etc. Is that correct? I cannot get any useful information from the manufacturer. The best reply I was able to get from them, despite the praises lavished on their support services by the salesman who sold me the computer, repeated verbatim what is stated in my printed user's manual, and nothing more. At present I am using Fractint in SF7 video mode (1024x768x256), but would like to be able to display higher resolution images on my screen, as well as be prepared for the time when Fractint will be available in true color. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions either directly, or by reference to a source where I could get such information. May I add that I am tremendously grateful to the Stone Soup Group for providing such a wonderful thing as Fractint. (I only discovered this mailing list a couple of days ago and this is my first posted message.) Thanks, Gedeon Peteri. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: (fractint) dmj-pub.frm (take two) Date: 17 Sep 1997 23:40:32 -0400 Howdy folks, Those of you who subscribe to the digest will not have received the FRM file I attached to a message. Should you wish a copy, I will post one soon on my web site (and I'll post a note here when I do so, sometime tomorrow it seems). Anyone who can't wait that long :-) should e-mail me and I'll send it out right away. I did not post the file uncompressed because it's huge, but compresses *very* well into a 7K ZIP. Damien M. Jones / temporary sanity designs / http://www.emi.net/~dmj/ dmj@emi.net / my gallery: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roelf Renkema Subject: (fractint) Help! Date: 18 Sep 1997 20:58:17 -0600 I can't get Fractint running on my machine. I'm using the dos version 19.6. Now under DOS it just won't startup and crashes my system (a 486-dx2 66Mhz) Under Win95 I get the message that it's using a wrong instruction and halts on 391D:0BE0 interupts used none. Anyone....sugestions! _/_/| grey@nym,alias.net (o(o) \ ' The Wolf ' OO~~ / \--__ ,/ "I like'm sweet and wet" |/~ `-' Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com (Grasso, Nick) Subject: Re: (fractint) Help! Date: 19 Sep 1997 13:33:21 -0400 At 08:58 PM 9/18/97 -0600, Roelf Renkema wrote: >I can't get Fractint running on my machine. I'm using the dos version 19.6. >Now under DOS it just won't startup and crashes my system (a 486-dx2 66Mhz) >Under Win95 I get the message that it's using a wrong instruction and halts on >391D:0BE0 interupts used none. Anyone....sugestions! It sounds to me like the EXE is corrupt. Try downloading it again. Nick nick.grasso@hrads.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) entering my own algorythyms Date: 19 Sep 1997 14:18:49 -0400 (EDT) > > >How do all of you enter your own algorythyms into fractint? Or do you use >fractint? I wrote a program at home to do this, but I am now on a Unix at >school, and would love to know if I can actually enter new equations of >my own into fractint, for it to plot... Check the fractint dox for the formula type. -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com (Grasso, Nick) Subject: Re: (fractint) video modes Date: 19 Sep 1997 14:30:43 -0400 At 05:37 PM 9/18/97 -0400, GEDEON PETERI wrote: >The following questions are not directly related to fractals or >Fractint, but they are at least motivated solely by my desire to >maximize my ability to generate fractals at the highest possible >resolution. If I am not mistaken, such questions were invited in the >introduction to this mailing list. I am woefully ignorant about some >things. In particular, I am somewhat embarrassed to say, I am not >completely clear about the difference between video upgrade kits, video >drivers, and video cards. I have a NEC Ready 9710 machine (166 Mhz >Pentium MMX; 16MB RAM; 2MB video RAM). My manual says that a video >upgrade kit is available to raise video memory to 4MB, but I suspect >that there are ways to go beyond that by addition of cards, drivers, >etc. Is that correct? I cannot get any useful information from the >manufacturer. The best reply I was able to get from them, despite the >praises lavished on their support services by the salesman who sold me >the computer, repeated verbatim what is stated in my printed user's >manual, and nothing more. At present I am using Fractint in SF7 video >mode (1024x768x256), but would like to be able to display higher >resolution images on my screen, as well as be prepared for the time when >Fractint will be available in true color. I would greatly appreciate >any suggestions either directly, or by reference to a source where I >could get such information. May I add that I am tremendously grateful >to the Stone Soup Group for providing such a wonderful thing as >Fractint. (I only discovered this mailing list a couple of days ago and >this is my first posted message.) Thanks, Gedeon Peteri. Hello Gedeon, Here is some info on video cards that may help: > The video modes you can display are directly related to the amount of video memory, For example, a card with 2Mb can display the following modes: 640x480x256 800x600x256 1024x768x256 1280x1024x256 640x480x65536 (high color) 800x600x65536 (high color) 1024x768x65536 (high color) 1152x864x65536 (high color) 640x480x16million (true color) 800x600x16million (true color) A 4Mb card can also display: 1024x768x16million 1152x864x16million (this is my favorite mode for 17 inch monitors) 1280x1024x16million 1600x1200x256 (This mode may work with 2Mb ??) 1600x1200x65536 8Mb is needed for 1600x1200x16million The driver cannot change this situation. If you want the 4Mb modes, you must get the 4Mb upgrade or buy a new video card with 4Mb. There are some differences among drivers for different video cards, however. Some do not support 1152x864 or 1600x1200 at all. > Your monitor must also be able to support the resolution you want. Number of colors is not an issue, but some monitors cannot handle 1600x1200. > Most recent DOS programs do not need video drivers because most modern cards and DOS programs support the VESA standard. VESA support may be built into the video card's BIOS or you may have to load a small DOS TSR. Most (but not all) of the above modes are supported by VESA. All those other video modes you see in fractint are left over from the days before VESA. > You do need a video driver for Windows, but of course all video cards come with one. However, it pays to check manufacturer's web site for updates. Windows video drivers are notoriously buggy and are the cause of many Windows crashes and problems. The drivers are often updated frequently. I hope this helps somewhat. If you have any more questions, please post them or you can email me directly. Nick nick.grasso@hrads.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) video modes Date: 19 Sep 1997 15:09:57 -0400 Nick, Gedeon, 1600x1200x256 is doable on my 2M graphics card. In general, I've been pretty happy with this amount of RAM on the card, since 1600x1200 is about the highest mode my monitor can display anyway. I would also note that some video cards will accomodate "odd" RAM sizes. For example, I once worked with a Number Nine GXE something-or-other that had 3M of RAM on it. This allowed a mode like 1024x768x16M which doesn't quite fit in 2M. You can calculate the amount of RAM needed for a mode by simply multiplying the width by the height by the bit depth and dividing by eight. For example: 640 x 480 x 8 (256 colors) / 8 = 307200 (fits in 512K) 800 x 600 x 16 (65K colors) / 8 = 960000 (just fits in 1M) 1024 x 768 x 24 (16M colors) / 8 = 2359296 (doesn't fit in 2M) 800 x 600 x 32 (16M colors) / 8 = 1920000 (just fits in 2M) You'll notice in the above examples that I list both 24-bit and 32-bit as being 16M color modes. A 32-bit mode wastes eight bits of each pixel, but because 32-bit values are easier (and faster) for computers to deal with than 24-bit values, many graphics cards go ahead and waste the RAM to provide increased performance. Some cards do not support true 24-bit modes, but always use 32-bit modes instead. How do you tell which 16M mode your card is using? In Windows, it's pretty easy: right-click a blank area of your desktop, choose "Properties", switch to the "Settings" tab, and in the "Color palette" drop-down, you should see the actual bit depth listed. Typically you can choose between 8-bit, 16-bit, 24-bit, and 32-bit. Just remember that visually, 24-bit and 32-bit will be the same, but 32-bit modes will have higher performance. Unless you're doing serious graphics work, I'd recommend using a 16-bit mode. Performance here is even better than 32-bit modes, and it seems the best trade-off between performance and color quality. Web browsing in 8-bit modes (256-color) is rather grainy, as all that pretty color (which you're downloading whether you see the quality or not) is wasted. At the moment, bit depth beyond 8 doesn't do anything for FractInt, but when you run FractInt from Windows it will change the display mode anyway. Just my ramblings... Damien M. Jones / temporary sanity designs / http://www.emi.net/~dmj/ dmj@emi.net / my gallery: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roelf Renkema Subject: Re: (fractint) Help! Date: 19 Sep 1997 20:20:46 +0200 At 13:33 19-09-97 -0400, you wrote: >At 08:58 PM 9/18/97 -0600, Roelf Renkema wrote: >>I can't get Fractint running on my machine. I'm using the dos version 19.6. >>Now under DOS it just won't startup and crashes my system (a 486-dx2 66Mhz) >>Under Win95 I get the message that it's using a wrong instruction and >halts on >>391D:0BE0 interupts used none. Anyone....sugestions! > >It sounds to me like the EXE is corrupt. Try downloading it again. > >Nick >nick.grasso@hrads.com > Nah to easy, was the first of the last things I tried &8-) -- _/_/| grey@nym,alias.net (o(o) \ ' The Wolf ' OO~~ / \--__ ,/ "I like'm sweet and wet" |/~ `-' Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sky Nelson Subject: (fractint) Controlling Fractals... Date: 19 Sep 1997 12:48:21 -0700 (MST) Does anybody know how to take a simple algorythym, like a mandelbrot, and via initial conditions control what part you look at? I tried adding constants here and there, but it warped the pattern,,,, I just want to translate it around the screen, depending on initial parameters... Thanks! Sky Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GEDEON PETERI Subject: (fractint) video modes continued Date: 19 Sep 1997 16:30:40 -0400 Nick, Damien, Many thanks for the highly informative letters. Since the maximum resolution my monitor will support is 1280x1024, it appears that I am already set for this with my 2MB of video RAM. Simply adding the update kit to 4MB would enable me to use 1600x1200 with present Fractint - 256 colors. Only if Fractint went to true color (16 million) would I need 8MB to support the 1600x1200 resolution. Am I correct to draw these conclusions? If so, though going for 8MB does not make any sense at this time for me, I am nonetheless curious whether an 8MB video card could be installed in my computer? In other words, does the fact that the manual only mentions upgrading to 4MB mean that there are other system components (excluding the monitor) which could not support more than that, or does it not? Gedeon. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Controlling Fractals... Date: 19 Sep 1997 13:43:10 -0700 Sky wrote: >Does anybody know how to take a simple algorthym, like a >mandelbrot, and via initial conditions control what part you >look at? I tried adding constants here and there, but it warped >the pattern,,,, I just want to translate it around the screen, >depending on initial parameters... The Mandelbrot set use this iteration formula: z := z^2 + c; where z is initally zero. We color pixels corresponding to the value of c according to the number of iterations, n, it takes to have |z|>2. If n gets beyond itermax we set the color to black, usually. You control what part of the Mandelbrot set you see by how you map c to the screen. You use some interpolation formula like c(real) = c(left side) + column*deltac c(imag)=c(top)-row*deltac So your initial parameters are c(left side), c(top), deltac or an equivalent set like the center c and magnification. Hope this helps. Jay Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com (Grasso, Nick) Subject: Re: (fractint) video modes continued Date: 19 Sep 1997 17:08:57 -0400 At 04:30 PM 9/19/97 -0400, GEDEON PETERI wrote: > Nick, Damien, > Many thanks for the highly informative letters. Since the maximum >resolution my monitor will support is 1280x1024, it appears that I am >already set for this with my 2MB of video RAM. Simply adding the update >kit to 4MB would enable me to use 1600x1200 with present Fractint - 256 >colors. According to Damien, you only need 2Mb for 1600x1200x256 (thanks for posting that formula Damien; I had forgotten it). Too bad your monitor doesn't support it. This is my favorite mode for fractint. > Only if Fractint went to true color (16 million) would I need >8MB to support the 1600x1200 resolution. Am I correct to draw these >conclusions? Yes, that is correct. Unless, of course, you want to run other programs at that resolution. > If so, though going for 8MB does not make any sense at >this time for me, I am nonetheless curious whether an 8MB video card >could be installed in my computer? In other words, does the fact that >the manual only mentions upgrading to 4MB mean that there are other >system components (excluding the monitor) which could not support more >than that, or does it not? It only means that the video board that came with your system only supports 4MB. But you could replace that video board with another one (or if it is built into the motherboard, you can disable it). I was just on Matrox's web site and their new Millenium II comes with either 4Mb, 8Mb, or 16Mb! They just lowered the price too. It is about $200 (US) for the 4Mb version. This is a very good price! Nick nick.grasso@hrads.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Subject: (fractint) Video Cards Date: 19 Sep 1997 17:48:24 -0500 Hey gang, Well I have let my post go for a few days concerning the Imagine 128 and I guess nobody uses one. So lets try another question: If you had the oppertunity to get a new video card for drawing fractals, what would it be? I am also wondering if 3D accelerators can help in drawing any types of fractals. Any input would be appreciated as I've decided to upgrade my system now. The Imagine128 doesn't work with the new DirectX drivers for windows games anyway... Sincerely Tim Maxwell Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Jakubowicz Date: 19 Sep 1997 20:16:53 -0700 Hi. Could someone please tell me what anti-aliasing means? I am under the impression it has something to do with creating high-rez images and then bringing them back down to a smaller size. I do this because they look better than when I just create them at the smaller size, unless my eyes deceive me. Anyway, I am curious what people mean when they say they are doing such and such a thing to their images for anti-aliasing. Thanks, Peter Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: (fractint) Re: anti-aliasing Date: 19 Sep 1997 23:53:37 -0400 Peter, Assuming you don't want a technical answer (which would only barely not be over my head :) you can think of anti-aliasing as a way to smooth out rapid transitions in an image. Think of the highly detailed "mush" areas of a fractal image--those areas would show more detail zoomed in, possibly even resolving into structures you could see, but in your image they're just "mush". Well, anti-aliasing typically involves generating the image at a higher resolution, to go ahead and resolve those areas... and then the image is reduced in a graphics package, which averages several pixels down into each pixel in the smaller image, giving the "overall" color. This is a pretty bad explanation, but no doubt someone else will step in and take the time to do it right. :) Damien M. Jones / temporary sanity designs / http://www.emi.net/~dmj/ dmj@emi.net / my gallery: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) video modes continued Date: 19 Sep 1997 23:57:11 -0400 Gedeon, Your card should be able to do 1600x1200x256 with the 2M you currently have. You should also be aware that quite a few graphics cards will do a 1600x1200 VESA mode as interlaced, so your monitor only needs to be able to handle half the vertical resolution (600). Your monitor easily does this. You'll just want to make sure you use the VESA modes in FractInt (which work best under Win95 anyway). Your *computer* will take an 8M graphics card fine. Whether or not your graphics card will take an 8M *upgrade* is another issue--one that only your graphics card manufacturer can answer. And it's solely dependent on the graphics card; nothing in the computer or monitor affects this. Damien M. Jones / temporary sanity designs / http://www.emi.net/~dmj/ dmj@emi.net / my gallery: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Cards Date: 19 Sep 1997 23:57:15 -0400 Tim, - Well I have let my post go for a few days concerning the Imagine 128 and - I guess nobody uses one. Well, I don't have one, didn't get one because some 64-bit cards were still faster than the Imagine 128. Seemed at the time that Number Nine was just going for the "bigger is better" approach. :( - If you had the oppertunity to get a new video card for drawing fractals, - what would it be? Well, that depends on whether you've got a system that can take PCI cards or not. I hope you do, because that makes it easy: any modern card will do. You'll be hard-pressed to find a new card with less than 2M, which as I've described is more than adequate for all but the most die-hard FractInt fanatics with 21" monitors. (And oh, would I love to join the ranks of those fanatics! :) So buy your next graphics card, not for what it can do for FractInt, but for what *else* it can do. Personally, I'd lean towards something with decent 3D acceleration, preferably with a Voodoo chipset from 3Dfx, for awesome Quake/Hexen performance, but that's just me. :) - I am also wondering if 3D accelerators can help in drawing any types of - fractals. Not in FractInt. The only thing a 3D accelerator might help would be 3D rendering of fractals, but keep in mind that 3D cards are typically designed with real-time (read: low-quality) performance in mind. If you're generating images thirty times a second, you don't typically care that it's not doing filtered interpolation with Phong-rendered highlights and proper shadows... but if you're rendering a still image that people are going to be gazing at for a long time to come, you want to make sure that it's done right, because you may not get the chance to do it over. 3D cards don't always accelerate final renders (depends on the renderer) but they can certainly help out interactive editing of 3D objects. But again, not in FractInt as it currently stands. - Any input would be appreciated as I've decided to upgrade my system - now. The Imagine128 doesn't work with the new DirectX drivers for - windows games anyway... *Lots* of stuff doesn't work with DirectX yet. My sound card, a Gravis Ultrasound, has such lousy driver support that DirectX crashes most things that try to use it. That's why when I re-installed everything a couple of months ago, I didn't install DirectX. 'Course, none of this is FractInt-related... :) Damien M. Jones / temporary sanity designs / http://www.emi.net/~dmj/ dmj@emi.net / my gallery: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GEDEON PETERI Subject: (fractint) Thanks Date: 20 Sep 1997 00:38:10 -0400 Nick, Damien, Many thanks for the extremely enlightening discussion. Gedeon. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ezarak@sinfo.net Subject: (fractint) Re: aliasing Date: 20 Sep 1997 13:08:40 -0500 > From: Peter Jakubowicz > Hi. > Could someone please tell me what anti-aliasing means? anti-aliasing A technique used on a grey-scale or colour bitmap display to make diagonal edges appear smoother by setting pixels near the edge to intermediate colours according to where the edge crosses them. The most common example is black characters on a white background. Without anti-aliasing, diagonal edges appear jagged, like staircases, which may be noticeable on a low resolution display. If the display can show intermediate greys then anti-aliasing can be applied. A pixel will be black if it is completely within the black area, or white if it is completely outside the black area, or an intermediate shade of grey according to the proportions of it which overlap the black and white areas. The technique works similarly with other foreground and background colours. [Why (anti-) "aliasing"?] Copyright Denis Howe 1993, 1997. http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/?Free+On-line+Dictionary Saludos Ernesto Zarak ezarak@sinfo.net Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-fractint@xmission.com Subject: (fractint) Re: Date: 20 Sep 1997 12:15:25 -0600 Peter Jakubowicz wrote: > > Could someone please tell me what anti-aliasing means? > In a lot of graphic applications (like Adobe Photoshop), anti-aliasing produces a smooth-edged selection by partially filling edge pixels so that they are semitransparent. Because anti-aliasing removes jagged edges, it is especially useful when you=92re creating composite images by= cutting and pasting. No detail is lost, since only the edge pixels change. Anti-aliasing is a method of smoothing the edges of shapes, objects, and mask selections. Anti-aliasing creates intermediate pixels that smooth the transition between colors and sharp edges. To produce a curved or diagonal edge on a selection, pixels in the image that are diagonal to each other are part of the selection=92s edge. This diagonal pixel selection can produce a jagged edge. Anti-aliasing makes some of the pixels located along the inside edge of the selection semi-transparent which smoothes out the edges of the selection. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ezarak@sinfo.net Subject: (fractint) Re: anti-aliasinng Date: 20 Sep 1997 13:18:04 -0500 > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:16:53 -0700 > From: Peter Jakubowicz > Hi. > Could someone please tell me what anti-aliasing Smoothing the jaggies in a bitmapped image. When diagonal or curved lines are put in bitmapped form, these shapes must be made with square pixels; any lines that are not vertical or horizontal have a stair-stepped appearance. Anti-aliasing changes the pixels along the edges of the line into varying shades of gray or in-between color, in order to make the edge appear smoother. In a black-on-white image, for example, the shade of gray used is determined by how much of the in-between pixel overlaps the black area and how much overlaps the white area. Saludos Ernesto Zarak ezarak@sinfo.net Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: aliasing Date: 20 Sep 1997 15:30:30 -0700 (MST) On Sat, 20 Sep 1997 ezarak@sinfo.net wrote: > anti-aliasing [good explanation snipped] > > [Why (anti-) "aliasing"?] [engage "bad explanation" mode :-) ] The term "anti-aliasing" is most probably a throw-back to signal analysis, and what happens when you take discrete samples of a continuous signal. Essentially, if you think of a signal as a series of sine waves with different frequencies superimposed, then you can only resolve certain frequencies, dependent on your sampling frequency. Frequencies higher than the cutoff ("Nyquist frequency") get folded over and are seen as lower frequencies. Thus, the higer modes are "aliased" as lower modes. So, anti-aliasing is a way to prevent this from happening--you filter your incoming signal to remove the frequencies higher than the cutoff, then sample it. There are parallels to fractalizing. The pixels of a fractal image represent discrete samples of a continuous signal (mathematically pure fractal). The "jaggies" and "mush" that we commonly see are high frequency (high spatial frequency = small, pixelwise) structures that are sampled too poorly to be resolved. In other words, the swirls and midgets are too small to be captured by a "reasonable" number of pixels, so they look like "mush" or visual noise. Instead of pre-filtering the fractal, we compute it at a higher resolution and average it down to a lower resolution. This has the effect of smoothing over the higher frequencies, while leaving the lower ones (big structures) basically untouched. How's that? Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shauna Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Date: 20 Sep 1997 15:35:10 -1000 And here I always thought that anti-aliasing was something that did away with the apparent "line" you see any time you have two colors touching each other ... Another blast of bits from David Visit our boring web page: http://www.aloha.net/~shauna Visit the Hawaii Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net Random Thought for this Nanosecond For best results, use SET BUGS=OFF. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: (fractint) Gallery update Date: 20 Sep 1997 21:42:35 -0400 Hello, Just wanted to let you know that my fractal gallery at GeoCities has been updated, with *lots* of new stuff. If you're interested, please stop by, take a look, and let me know what you think: http://www.geocities.com/~fractalus For the FractInt user, the FRM file I wrote is now available for download. Perhaps if I have time (yeah right :) I'll do some web pages explaining more of how to use them. In any case, the FRM file can be had directly from this URL: http://www.geocities.com/~fractalus/misc/dmj-pub.frm (If you saw this message on another list, please forgive the redundancy.) Damien M. Jones / temporary sanity designs / http://www.emi.net/~dmj/ dmj@emi.net / my gallery: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: aliasing Date: 20 Sep 1997 21:49:21 -0400 Kerry, - [good explanation snipped] - [engage "bad explanation" mode :-) ] I dunno, seemed like a pretty good explanation to me. :) Damien M. Jones / temporary sanity designs / http://www.emi.net/~dmj/ dmj@emi.net / my gallery: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James P. Carr" Subject: (fractint) Please help me print Date: 20 Sep 1997 22:25:40 I am a novice working with Fractint. What little expertise I have is in the mathematics. I have been able to use Fractint to good effect displayed on my screen. But I have an HP DeskJet 500C color printer and I have also got access to an HP 694C. With either I can print in black and white if I start Fractint with printer=hp. How can I use the color capabilities of these printers? If I can't, then what printers can I use? If I should be looking somewhere else for this info, where would that be? Thank you anyone who can direct me. Jim Carr James P. Carr 1812 E. Elmdale Ct. jpcarr@alphaj.csd.uwm.edu Shorewood, Wi 55321 Home: 414-332-2919 Work: 229-4469 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug! Date: 20 Sep 1997 23:59:43 -0400 (EDT) I have discovered 2 bugs in Fractint 19.6! The more serious is as follows: if a 16-color video mode is selected (don't ask) and passes=b is selected, it draws a few pixels and hangs, forcing a reboot or a Vulcan Nerve Pinch. The less serious is that the collection of 2 and 16-color modes at the start of the video mode-picker in this version all say "256" colors at the right. | | ----8<-----Screen Capture-----8<--- V FRACTINT Version 19.6 Select Video Mode key...name......................xdot.ydot.colr.comment.................. F2 IBM 16-Color EGA 640 350 256 Standard EGA hi-res mode F3 IBM 256-Color VGA/MCGA 320 200 256 Quick and LOTS of colors F4 IBM 16-Color VGA 640 480 256 Nice high resolution F5 IBM 4-Color CGA 320 200 256 (Ugh - Yuck - Bleah) F6 IBM Hi-Rez B&W CGA 640 200 256 ('Hi-Rez' Ugh - Yuck) F7 IBM B&W EGA 640 350 256 (Monochrome EGA) F8 IBM B&W VGA 640 480 256 (Monochrome VGA) F9 IBM Low-Rez EGA 320 200 256 Quick but chunky F10 IBM VGA (non-std) 320 400 256 Register Compatibles ONLY SF1 IBM VGA (non-std) 360 480 256 Register Compatibles ONLY SF2 SuperVGA/VESA Autodetect 800 600 256 Works with most SuperVGA SF3 SuperVGA/VESA Autodetect 1024 768 256 Works with most SuperVGA SF4 SuperVGA/VESA Autodetect 640 400 256 Works with most SuperVGA SF5 SuperVGA/VESA Autodetect 640 480 256 Works with most SuperVGA SF6 SuperVGA/VESA Autodetect 800 600 256 Works with most SuperVGA SF7 Millennium VESA mode 1600 1200 256 OK: Sylvie Gallet (more) Use the cursor keys to highlight your selection Press ENTER for highlighted choice, ESCAPE to back out, or F1 for help -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: anti-aliasinng Date: 21 Sep 1997 00:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Anti-aliasing is also used to get rid of Moire patterns, such as you see if you raytrace a black green-gridded floor or one with green parallel lines converging in the distance. Similarly for averaging out "busy" areas of pictures. :) -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) Gallery update Date: 21 Sep 1997 00:06:32 -0400 At 09:42 PM 9/20/97 -0400, you wrote: (Just wanted to let you know that my fractal gallery at GeoCities has been updated, with *lots* of new stuff. If you're interested, please stop by, take a look, and let me know what you think:) Good stuff. Enjoyed the images... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cindy mitchell Subject: Re: (fractint) Gallery update Date: 20 Sep 1997 22:05:58 -0700 At 12:06 AM 9/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >At 09:42 PM 9/20/97 -0400, you wrote: >(Just wanted to let you know that my fractal gallery at GeoCities has been >updated, with *lots* of new stuff. If you're interested, please stop by, >take a look, and let me know what you think:) > > >Good stuff. Enjoyed the images... > > >I would like to stop by, but what is your address? > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cindy mitchell Subject: Re: (fractint) Gallery update Date: 20 Sep 1997 22:08:08 -0700 At 12:06 AM 9/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >At 09:42 PM 9/20/97 -0400, you wrote: >(Just wanted to let you know that my fractal gallery at GeoCities has been >updated, with *lots* of new stuff. If you're interested, please stop by, >take a look, and let me know what you think:) > > >Good stuff. Enjoyed the images... > > > >What id your address??? > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brock Kevin Nambo" Subject: Re: (fractint) Please help me print Date: 21 Sep 1997 01:28:48 -0400 > From: James P. Carr > To: Fractint@xmission.com > Subject: (fractint) Please help me print > Date: Saturday, September 20, 1997 6:25 PM > I am a novice working with Fractint. What little expertise I have is in > the mathematics. I have been able to use Fractint to good effect displayed > on my screen. But I have an HP DeskJet 500C color printer and I have also > got access to an HP 694C. With either I can print in black and white if I > start Fractint with printer=hp. How can I use the color capabilities of > these printers? If I can't, then what printers can I use? If I should be > looking somewhere else for this info, where would that be? > Thank you anyone who can direct me. One way I could think of, off the top of my head, would be to ave your fractal as a .gif file, and then printing it with your basic .gif viewer, say your favorite Web Browser. Just a thought. >>BKNambo -- H badger@innocent.com|newsmaster@earthling.net ____ __ =@==== http://members.aol.com/brockbadge/index.html /_ \ / / H H H "World Domination Through Trivia" -S3Kitties / /\ \/ / H H H Marcher -- Just my imagination -- Nightwatch /_/ \__/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Les St Clair Subject: (fractint) Please help me print Date: 21 Sep 1997 11:40:07 -0400 Hi Jim, >I have been able to use Fractint to good effect displayed on my screen. But I have an HP DeskJet 500C color printer and I have als= o got access to an HP 694C. With either I can print in black and white if = I start Fractint with printer=3Dhp. How can I use the color capabilities of= these printers? < I would forget all about trying to print directly from fractint. Instead you should save you images in their native .gif format and then u= se a graphics package to print these. If you are running Windows, then I wou= ld suggest starting with the shareware program "Paint Shop Pro" - it won't cost you anything to try it! For me, the most important key to getting a good looking print is to crea= te your images at very high resolutions. You could even use one of the "disk/ram" video modes and save those images directly to disk. For *reall= y* big fractals you could use the "divide and conquer" method for creating very large images in pieces (refer to fractint.doc). As a rule of thumb, think of the dots from your printer as pixels in the image. So, if you print a 10"x8" image at 300dpi, you could start with a gif having dimensions of (10x300) x (8x300) or 3000x2400. If this seems a= bit "over the top", then try printing from a 1600x1200 image for starters= =2E - Les St Clair Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Gallery update Date: 21 Sep 1997 12:12:52 -0400 Cindy, - What id your address??? As posted in my original message, you can find my new gallery at this URL: http://www.geocities.com/~fractalus Damien M. Jones / temporary sanity designs / http://www.emi.net/~dmj/ dmj@emi.net / my gallery: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug! Date: 21 Sep 1997 12:42:28 -0600 Paul wrote: > I have discovered 2 bugs in Fractint 19.6! > The more serious is as follows: if a 16-color video mode is selected (don't > ask) and passes=b is selected, it draws a few pixels and hangs, forcing a > reboot or a Vulcan Nerve Pinch. > The less serious is that the collection of 2 and 16-color modes at the > start of the video mode-picker in this version all say "256" colors at the > right. I can't duplicate either problem. Your fractint.cfg file is corrupt. Try replacing it with the one in the 19.6 distribution. Tim | Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Please help me print Date: 21 Sep 1997 12:42:28 -0600 Brock said: > One way I could think of, off the top of my head, would be to ave your > fractal as a .gif file, and then printing it with your basic .gif viewer, > say your favorite Web Browser. Just a thought. This is absolutely good advice. The fractint authors know very little about printing, and have access to few printers. We can't even test the printer drivers that are donated to our code. However, all is not lost. There are many excellent programs that print GIFs, so the best bet is simply to save the GIF and print it in other software. When we have a windows port this problem will go away, but the DOS version will always be print challenged. If Fractint were commercial, we could simply my a library of printer drivers. But since Fractint is free and we publish the source, we can't do that. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) Please help me print Date: 21 Sep 1997 14:38:40 -0400 At 12:42 PM 9/21/97 -0600, you wrote: >Brock said: > ( One way I could think of, ...) (This is absolutely good advice.) [Tim Wegner] Mentioned this once: I have found it best to save the .gif to be printed. It can then be imported into a word processing document such as WordPerfect, Adobe Pagemaker, etc. by cut and paste or copy and paste. After importing it the image may then be resized (if desired) for various applications, such as a unique "logo" on stationery, for making a unique greeting card, for address labels, envelopes, or even printing on transfer paper to be transferred to "T" shirts, etc. Depending on the graphics program .gifs are associated with in whatever specific computer such as PaintShopPro, LViewPro, etc., other images can be inserted into the fractal .gif (resized if necessary). That can make for some unusual effects also... :) or special effects can be added. This last just as an added after-thought. davides@pipeline.com davides1@juno.com "Do Not Meddle In The Affairs Of Dragons For You Are Crunchy And Good With Ketchup" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: franz@mediom.qc.ca (Franois Blais) Subject: Re: (fractint) Gallery update Date: 21 Sep 1997 20:15:29 -0400 "Damien M. Jones" wrote: >For the FractInt user, the FRM file I wrote is now available for download. >Perhaps if I have time (yeah right :) I'll do some web pages explaining >more of how to use them. In any case, the FRM file can be had directly >from this URL: I tried your formula with the PARs you posted about a week ago, this afternoon, and I must admit they're among the most beautiful fractals I ever seen! Thanks a lot! :) -- La voix de ma contrebasse * Quebec City - Canada Thought for the day: "I had a monumental idea this morning, but I didn't like it." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug! Date: 21 Sep 1997 23:25:50 -0400 (EDT) > >Paul wrote: > >> I have discovered 2 bugs in Fractint 19.6! >> The more serious is as follows: if a 16-color video mode is selected (don't >> ask) and passes=b is selected, it draws a few pixels and hangs, forcing a >> reboot or a Vulcan Nerve Pinch. >> The less serious is that the collection of 2 and 16-color modes at the >> start of the video mode-picker in this version all say "256" colors at the >> right. > >I can't duplicate either problem. > >Your fractint.cfg file is corrupt. Try replacing it with the one in >the 19.6 distribution. My fractint.cfg file is exactly the one that came with Fractint, unmodified. To be exact it is the one from the .zip located at Spanky. Did you try the Spanky .zip instead of your development version? -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: franz@mediom.qc.ca (Francois Blais) Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug! Date: 22 Sep 1997 00:12:44 -0400 ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) wrote: >>> I have discovered 2 bugs in Fractint 19.6! >>> The more serious is as follows: if a 16-color video mode is selected (don't >>> ask) and passes=b is selected, it draws a few pixels and hangs, forcing a >>> reboot or a Vulcan Nerve Pinch. >>> The less serious is that the collection of 2 and 16-color modes at the >>> start of the video mode-picker in this version all say "256" colors at the >>> right. >>I can't duplicate either problem. >>Your fractint.cfg file is corrupt. Try replacing it with the one in >>the 19.6 distribution. >My fractint.cfg file is exactly the one that came with Fractint, >unmodified. To be exact it is the one from the .zip located at Spanky. Did >you try the Spanky .zip instead of your development version? I also got my archive from Spanky, and here's a screenshot from the video mode selection: FRACTINT Version 19.6 Select Video Mode key...name......................xdot.ydot.colr.comment.................. F2 IBM 16-Color EGA 640 350 16 Standard EGA hi-res mode F3 IBM 256-Color VGA/MCGA 320 200 256 Quick and LOTS of colors F4 IBM 16-Color VGA 640 480 16 Nice high resolution F5 IBM 4-Color CGA 320 200 4 (Ugh - Yuck - Bleah) F6 IBM Hi-Rez B&W CGA 640 200 2 ('Hi-Rez' Ugh - Yuck) F7 IBM B&W EGA 640 350 2 (Monochrome EGA) F8 IBM B&W VGA 640 480 2 (Monochrome VGA) F9 IBM Low-Rez EGA 320 200 16 Quick but chunky F10 IBM VGA (non-std) 320 400 256 Register Compatibles ONLY SF1 IBM VGA (non-std) 360 480 256 Register Compatibles ONLY SF2 SuperVGA/VESA Autodetect 800 600 16 Works with most SuperVGA SF3 SuperVGA/VESA Autodetect 1024 768 16 Works with most SuperVGA SF4 SuperVGA/VESA Autodetect 640 400 256 Works with most SuperVGA SF5 SuperVGA/VESA Autodetect 640 480 256 Works with most SuperVGA SF6 SuperVGA/VESA Autodetect 800 600 256 Works with most SuperVGA SF7 SuperVGA/VESA Autodetect 1024 768 256 Works with most SuperVGA (more) Use the cursor keys to highlight your selection Press ENTER for highlighted choice, ESCAPE to back out, or F1 for help -- La voix de ma contrebasse * Quebec City - Canada Thought for the day: "Talk is cheap since supply exceeds demand." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug! Date: 22 Sep 1997 00:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Really strange...cause I know for a fact I haven't so much as twiddled a single bit in fractint.cfg! Could it be a problem specific to certain video cards? This is running on a Matrox MGA 2 meg. All this on one of 2 computers I use. The other has a 512K S3 (yeah, I know, crufty as hell). On that, I just tried the Spanky distrib and got normal behavior (proper color numbers and no b-trace hang). My guess is maybe Fractint has some styrange allergy to that Matrox... -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug! Date: 22 Sep 1997 03:38:38 -0400 Hi Paul >> Really strange...cause I know for a fact I haven't so much as twiddled= >> a single bit in fractint.cfg! Could it be a problem specific to >> certain video cards? This is running on a Matrox MGA 2 meg. >> My guess is maybe Fractint has some styrange allergy to that >> Matrox... I have no problem with my Matrox Millennium 2 meg. It supports the following VESA modes: # QPV/386 / CDPEG configuration file # created by VESA2CFG on Fri 29-Aug-1997, 11:6:33 VESA BGR # perhaps RGB instead of BGR #'VESA local #"VESA configuration for "Matrox Graphics Inc." 320 200 16 40 $0d 0 640 480 16 80 $12 0 800 600 16 100 $4f02 $0102 320 200 256 320 $13 0 640 480 256 640 $4f02 $0101 800 600 256 960 $4f02 $0103 1024 768 256 1024 $4f02 $0105 1280 1024 256 1280 $4f02 $0107 1600 1200 256 1600 $4f02 $011c 640 480 32k 1280 $4f02 $0110 800 600 32k 1920 $4f02 $0113 1024 768 32k 2048 $4f02 $0116 640 480 64k 1280 $4f02 $0111 800 600 64k 1920 $4f02 $0114 1024 768 64k 2048 $4f02 $0117 640 480 16m 2560 $4f02 $0112 800 600 16m 3200 $4f02 $0115 - Sylvie Sylvie_Gallet@CompuServe.com http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/sylvie/gallet.html http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com (Grasso, Nick) Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Cards Date: 22 Sep 1997 12:10:29 -0400 At 05:48 PM 9/19/97 -0500, Tim wrote: >If you had the oppertunity to get a new video card for drawing fractals, >what would it be? Assuming you have a PCI system, I recommend the Matrox Millennium II. They have lowered the price to about $200 US for the 4Mb card. I have the original Millennium and am quite happy with it. I run it under DOS, OS/2, and Windows NT and have had almost no problems. It is fast and handles just about everything I throw at it. It is also fast for DOS games. Some video cards are fast under Windows, but are slow under DOS (this does not apply to fractint however - see below). >I am also wondering if 3D accelerators can help in drawing any types of fractals. To repeat what Damien said: No. First of all, I don't think 3D accelerators apply to DOS programs at all. Secondly, 99% of the time it takes to create a fractal is the mathematical computation. The time it takes your video card to display it on the screen is nothing compared to this. As I understand it, 3D acceleration is for moving objects around the screen, i.e., moving 3D objects in an animation or a game, so I don't think this would help a Windows fractal program (unless it spun the fractal around the screen ). >Any input would be appreciated as I've decided to upgrade my system >now. The Imagine128 doesn't work with the new DirectX drivers for >windows games anyway... I've run a few programs that use DirectX and they work OK but I haven't tried any of the fancy new games. DirectX is build into Windows NT 4.0. You don't have to install it separately as in Win 95. Hope this helps. Nick nick.grasso@hrads.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Noring Subject: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Date: 22 Sep 1997 09:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Hello, For the fun of it, I performed a fairly extensive and exhaustive Web and ftp search out there in Internetland to see what older versions of Fractint for DOS are still downloadable (I was only interested in the distributable DOS executable package -- not the source code). Here's what I found so far, which I've downloaded and archived for posterity: 7.0 8.1 12.0 14.0 15.1 16.0 16.11 17.01 17.1 17.2 18.0 18.1 18.2 19.0 19.1 19.2 19.3 19.4 19.5 19.6 Version 7.0 is a very old version, and running it certainly gives a good feel for how far Fractint has come since then! I would like to complete the collection, so if you have other versions, especially the older ones (the Holy Grail would be version 1.0 and any pre- 1.0 betas -- Tim, can you give some early history to Fractint and the versions?), please send them my way. If there's enough interest, and Tim doesn't mind, I can place Fractint version 7.0 at my ftp site for download. And if I get close to a complete collection, I'll consider making it all available via anonymous ftp for a short time. We must remember our roots! Jon Noring _____________________________________________________________________________ OmniMedia Digital Publishing | E-Books: http://www.awa.com/library/omnimedia 9671 S. 1600 West St. | Digital/Fractal Art: (coming soon!) South Jordan, UT 84095 | 801-253-4037 | E-mail: omnimedia@netcom.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Two great mailing lists: FRACTAL ART, and ELECTRONIC BOOKS. To subscribe to either one, send e-mail to majordomo@aros.net and put the appropriate line in the body of the message: subscribe fractal-art subscribe ebook-list Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: (fractint) Erroneous URL Date: 22 Sep 1997 13:16:15 -0400 Hello, A few days ago I posted a URL for a FractInt .FRM file used to produce the new images in my gallery. The URL posted was incorrect. Here is the correct one: http://www.geocities.com/~fractalus/misc/dmj-pub.zip The URL for the gallery is in my signature, below. Damien M. Jones / temporary sanity designs / http://www.emi.net/~dmj/ dmj@emi.net / my gallery: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Norton" Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Cards Date: 22 Sep 1997 16:01:36 -0600 If you're running a Matrox Millenium card under NT4.0 and having no= problems, there are a lot of folks here who would like to know just how= you do it. Given my druthers, I'd much rather be using a Diamond Stealth 2000 or 3000= than this buggy, non-compliant VESA-hating Millenium card. 2000's are= going as low as $105 with 4 megs on board. >Assuming you have a PCI system, I recommend the Matrox Millennium II. They >have lowered the price to about $200 US for the 4Mb card. I have the >original Millennium and am quite happy with it. I run it under DOS, OS/2, >and Windows NT and have had almost no problems. >nick.grasso@hrads.com " Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com (Grasso, Nick) Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Cards Date: 22 Sep 1997 18:42:04 -0400 At 04:01 PM 9/22/97 -0600, "Robert Norton" wrote: > If you're running a Matrox Millenium card under NT4.0 and having no problems, > there are a lot of folks here who would like to know just how you do it. > > Given my druthers, I'd much rather be using a Diamond Stealth 2000 or 3000 than this > buggy, non-compliant VESA-hating Millenium card. 2000's are going as low as $105 with > 4 megs on board. Hi Robert, What kind of problems are you having? Are you are referring to the recent thread about fractint and other DOS VESA programs not running under NT? It appears that this is the fault of NT and not the card. Microsoft states that NT 4.0 does *not* support VESA in a DOS session. All the VESA modes work fine in a DOS session under OS/2, so I would tend not to blame the card. I have had no other problems under NT. However, their tech support leaves a lot to be desired since they never answered my email. Nick nick.grasso@hrads.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: (fractint) (Fwd) BOUNCE fractint@xmission.com: Admin request: /^subject: Date: 22 Sep 1997 20:33:53 -0600 I'm still not able to get my fractint up and running. Currently believing that my videocard/driver might be the problem. Anybody out there, with experience with the Avance Logic 2301 PCI drivers? Think I need a special CFG for it. So before I try to build one myself I thought I might ask? Greetz -- _/_/| grey@nym,alias.net (o(o) \ ' The Wolf ' OO~~ / \--__ ,/ "I like'm sweet and wet" |/~ `-' Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Cards Date: 22 Sep 1997 21:29:09 -0500 Hey gang For those who asked, I personally run Win95 on my machine for games and using Netscape. I found out that my Imagine 128 only uses 512k in DOS so that's why I was having difficulty getting any decent resolution. I've been talking to Number Nine tech support and they referred me to this Scitech Software program called the Display Doctor 5.3a, but even this program refuses to do anything for this card. The Imagine 128 also doesn't support anything higher than DirectX 1.0 and I just bought a game with DirectX5 on it. So I am definitely looking into upgrading my system now. I am hearing good things about the Millenium II from this list and the Diamond FireGL from some other friends. I plan to make a move here very soon, so if you haven't put in your two cents I am urging you too! I used to have NT on my system but when I found out how much it hates Windows games I killed it. I can also issue a fair warning against buying Xcar for you racing sim enthusiasts, it is just terrible, save your money and wait for Need4Speed2 SE which is coming out soon. Hey I am wondering how can I verify if my system has PCI slots? What do they look like? Again, thanks in advance Tim Maxwell Chicago Il Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Farrell McGovern Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Date: 23 Sep 1997 12:19:53 -0400 Jon Noring wrote: > > I would like to complete the collection, so if you have other versions, > especially the older ones (the Holy Grail would be version 1.0 and any pre- > 1.0 betas -- Tim, can you give some early history to Fractint and the > versions?), please send them my way. If there's enough interest, and Tim > doesn't mind, I can place Fractint version 7.0 at my ftp site for download. > And if I get close to a complete collection, I'll consider making it all > available via anonymous ftp for a short time. We must remember our roots! On one of my disks recently I found a copy of FRACT386...the original...I packed it, and moved, if you want, remind me in a month or so, and I will see if I can find it after I unpack. Back then, I was techsupport/sales at a computer store in Toronto, and we sold more ATI VGA Wonder/NEC Multisync because of the fractals we were displaying... ttyl Farrell -- Farrell McGovern, AISB fmcgouve@tactik.com Security/Sysadmin, Linux Advocate, Privacy Advocate, and a Nice Guy. "I speak for myself, and not for Bell Sygma/Emergis/Global Solutions" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Date: 23 Sep 1997 12:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Good God man! Don't wait a month! Floppy disks have a habit of quitting working suddenly and for no reason when they sit unused for a long time. I sometimes wonder if the Disk Companies don't put little planned-obsolescence gadgets in them that start ticking down as soon as you first format or use the disk, and scrog a cluster a week from that point forth... so you have to keep buying more... Upload it to someplace on the net...and preserve this treasure of antiquity...before it's too late! :-) -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: (fractint) Boundary is partially right! Date: 23 Sep 1997 12:13:49 -0500 Note: I tried to send this directly to you, Benno, but the mail got returned with some strange error message, which follows: ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 553 stachus config error: mail loops back to myself 554 ... Local configuration error whatever that means. Therefore, I'm posting this to the discussion list in case anyone else has interest/insight. You did say you get the messages from the list, so you should get this. > I checked out Mandelbrot's construction, first in Lindenmeyer system > syntax and then in IFS (much easier if the lsys intitiator is a > single line, btw). The resulting fractal was dragon-like, but never > the border of the dragon curve. Perhaps there's a bug in both of > them, or perhaps thats why it is not shown in iterated form? > > Below there's a Lindenmeyer sytem file (*.l) and the IFS file (which > gives better results) > --------begin lsys file------------ TwinDragonSkin?? { ; Benno Schmid ; use order=4*n Angle 8 Axiom F F=F++@2F--@I2F } --------end lsys file------------ --------begin ifs file------------ TwinDragonSkin?? { ; Benno Schmid .25 .25 -.25 .25 0 0 .192287 .5 -.52 .5 .5 .25 -.25 .6154261 .25 .25 -.25 .25 .75 .25 .192287 } --------end ifs file------------ Yes, I got the files. I checked them out, and IMHO, they actually do resemble the border of the twindragon curve, except that the resulting curve is actually like one straight segment of the border of the twindragon instead of being the entire closed border. I've tried to manipulate the L-system version to make it close, but it is difficult when I don't acually have the picture of the original twindragon in front of me. Anyway, if I can get it to work, I'll post it and anyone else who has any interest can check it out for themselves. Thanks for your help. Justin Kolodziej -- no cool signature :( -- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Cards Date: 23 Sep 1997 13:44:26 -0400 Tim, - I've been talking to Number Nine tech support and they referred me to - this Scitech Software program called the Display Doctor 5.3a, but even - this program refuses to do anything for this card. If SciTech's software won't work with your card, then it's *really* orphaned. :) For the record, when we wanted to use the Number Nine GXE card with Windows 95, Number Nine said they had no plans to write proper drivers for it, that they were no longer supporting the card. They offered us an upgrade "deal", whereby we could send in the GXE and some money and they'd send us a new card they did support. Problem was, the upgrade price was more than we could buy the new card for! What a rip! This experience really soured us on Number Nine. - The Imagine 128 also doesn't support anything higher than DirectX 1.0 - and I just bought a game with DirectX5 on it. So I am definitely - looking into upgrading my system now. I am hearing good things about - the Millenium II from this list and the Diamond FireGL from some other - friends. I plan to make a move here very soon, so if you haven't put in - your two cents I am urging you too! The Millenium isn't really the best optimized 3D card. It's not going to be your best performer for games. I think the Mystique will do better if you're set on a Matrox card--however, your best bet for *games* is likely to be, as I said earlier, something with a 3Dfx chip on it. Diamond Monster 3D is a $200 add-on card that works with another graphics card to give you awesome 3D, but I think what you really need is a good all-in-one card. A friend of mine recently bought a Hercules Stingray, which he is *very* happy with. - Hey I am wondering how can I verify if my system has PCI slots? What do - they look like? PCI slots are short (shorter than ISA and much shorter than VESA LocalBus) and usually white, with very fine pin spacing. Damien M. Jones / temporary sanity designs / http://www.emi.net/~dmj/ dmj@emi.net / my gallery: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: (fractint) New coloring scheme Date: 24 Sep 1997 09:49:22 -0700 (MST) Here is another coloring scheme that I found interesting. It is based on Gaussian integers--complex numbers whose real and imaginary parts are both integers, like 3+4i. The method here colors by which Gaussian integer the iteration comes closest to. In order to have a lot of iterations to test, use a high bailout (like 1e012). To show the results, use "decomp=256" coloring. Enclosed are two sample (Fractint) parameter files to demonstrate. They both use the same color map and the same section of the same Julia set. The "plain" par shows the fractal as somewhat boring. Turn on decomposition (the "decomp" par) and see the explosion of color. The image is full of various sized dots of color. Consequently, this method benefits from "passes=1" instead of solid guessing, and it really helps to anti-alias the final image, to smooth out the smallest dots. I will post a version of "decomp" to the fractal binaries newsgroup. Enjoy! Kerry Mitchell --------- decomp { reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=gaussint2_jul passes=1 center-mag=0/1/1 params=0.3/0/1e012/0 float=y maxiter=256 inside=0 decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=000<20>z00<19>zv0zy0zz1<20>zzz<20>0zz<20>00z<19>004001100<20>z00<\ 20>zz0<19>zzwzzzxzz<18>4zz1zz0yz<20>00z<20>000 cyclerange=0/255 } plain { reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=gaussint2_jul center-mag=0/1/1 params=0.3/0/1e012/0 float=y maxiter=256 inside=0 periodicity=0 colors=000<20>z00<19>zv0zy0zz1<20>zzz<20>0zz<20>00z<19>004001100<20>z00<\ 20>zz0<19>zzwzzzxzz<18>4zz1zz0yz<20>00z<20>000 cyclerange=0/255 } frm:gaussint2_jul { ; colors Julia sets by angle of Gaussian integer that iteration ; comes closest to ; c=p1, bailout=real(p2), try 1e12 ; use "decomp=256" coloring zc=pixel, c=p1, rmax=real(p2), rmin=1, z=zc: zc=sqr(zc)+c, zr=round(zc), q=|zc-zr|, if (q Subject: (fractint) Questions about IFS fractals Date: 24 Sep 1997 12:45:00 +1 Microsoft Mail v3.0 IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note K|ldo: P.Toth Andras Cmmzett: Fractint Targy: Questions about IFS fractals Datum: 1997-09-24 12:45 Prioritas: Rvgzmtett bet9tmpus-kiszlet: 0001 \zenetazonosmts: 50BD305F Beszilgetisazonosmts: 50BD305F ############################################################################## Sorry for the lame header again.... Thank you for your answers about fast mandelbrot calculations. This time I have another beginner problem - (probably my maths are not enough to understand fractal algorithms?? Anyway, I'm just 16, so sorry about this!) My major problem is with generating IFS fractals. In Fractint (and on several WebSites) I found a a matrix with seven values, but I don't know what to do with it... Probably I should display the moving point just like in Mandelbrot, but displaying it after every calculation? And what are the starting values... etc. Questions like this... SO if you have any kind of Pascal/C/C64 assembler :) sources then please let me know the location of them! Thank you, and sorry for being so beginner :) Andras (Hungary) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Melissa D. Binde" Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Date: 24 Sep 1997 16:57:10 -0400 Hey Jon -- I started with version 11.0, so I should still have that sitting around somewhere. I'll check tomorrow if I have a chance, but old floppies have a way of wandering off into the great diskbox in the sky... -- Melissa Binde -- binde@cs.swarthmore.edu; finger for address, etc. Outside the Asylum -- http://www.terindell.com/ Babylon 5 Weekly Column -- http://babylon5.miningco.com "A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history--with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila." -- Mitch Ratcliffe Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) Questions about IFS fractals Date: 24 Sep 1997 15:04:46 -0600 In article <342998A0@sulimail.iif.hu> , "P.Toth Andras" writes: > My major problem is with generating IFS fractals. In Fractint (and on > several WebSites) I found a a matrix with seven values, but I don't know > what to do with it... Fractals are simple systems which give rise to complex behavior. To make a fractal image, you take a simple computation and repeat it and the end result is a complex image. The M-set is a simple iteration of the equation z' = z^2 + c: z0 = 0 z1 = z0^2 + c = 0^2 + c = c z2 = z1^2 + c = c^2 + c z3 = z2^2 + c = (c^2 + c)^2 + c ... For an IFS fractal, the equation takes a point in the plane and performs what's called an "affine transformation" on the point. Affine transformations can be translations, rotations, scaling operations or combinations of all of the above. An IFS fractal has the additional constraint that the transformation should be contractive -- that is, if you took the four corners points of a square and applied the transformation to the corner points, the resulting polygon would be "contracted" by the transformation. Each IFS contains several such affine transformations that are applied to the points. A probability is associated with each transformation to guide the computer in randomly choosing a transformation at each iteration. You can write affine transformations as matrix multiplications: (x1, y1) = M * (x0, y0) + T M => a matrix that accounts for scaling and rotation T => a vector that accounts for translation if we expand out the matrix and vector (any basic linear algebra book will show you the rules for matrix and vector arithmetic; they are basically just ways of organizing complex formulas for easier manipulation), we have: | x1 | = | a b | * | x0 | + | e | | y1 | | c d | | y0 | | f | which gives the two formulas: x1 = a*x0 + b*y0 + e y1 = c*x0 + d*y0 + f The seven numbers in the IFS description are these coefficitions (a-f) along with the associated probability p. You might want to look at the fractint documentation on the spanky web site for comparison with my explanation: I hope this helped out... -- Rich -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: (fractint) Smoothing color bands, revisited (not anti-aliasing) Date: 24 Sep 1997 14:52:18 -0700 (MST) Recently, Damien Jones posted his formulas based on Linas Vepstas' smooth coloring algorithm. I looked at Damien's work, particularly the "dmj-mand-smooth" formula, and came up with a few tweaks. I've included my alternative to Damien's formula as "smooth_man". Feel free to dig through the math of the two formulas if you'd like, but it may be easier to see the differences in the images. Fire up "dmj1" in the below par file. It's a slightly zoomed out Mandelbrot, with the outer rings shown in blues. Then, hit "x" and turn the outside coloring from "iter" to "real". This engages the smooth-coloring mode, although it's set to 1 (integer bands) for this image. True enough, the band spacing is about what it was before, but there is a slight color shift (blues to reds in this palette, or about 7-8 color indices). This is because of a combination of Damien's iteration counter initialization and the factor of 2 used to multiply the log(log(bailout)). Since those are both constants, they don't affect the band spacing. It's a trivial point generally, but something to consider if you're precise about your colors. Then, fire up "smooth1". It uses my smoothing formula, which is slightly different in math, and very different in implementation. The image generated should be about the same as the first one in "dmj1". Then, turn decomp on to 256. This new images should be exactly the same as the original, with no color shifts. (The color "speed" is set to 1 for integer bands.) A more significant consideration comes up with zooms. Look at "dmj2", a moderate zoom into the cusp region near c=0.25. When you turn on smoothing (set outside to real; the color speed is set to 10), something weird happens. Most of the image goes away! The number of iterations needs to be greatly increased to get the detail back. This is due to the clipping nature of outside=real|imag. If real(z)|imag(z) goes outside of the range [0,255], then the color is clipped to 0. I sidestepped this by using the decomposition coloring instead. Decomp wraps around instead of clipping, so the value of z is not a problem. Look at "smooth2". The first image is like the first one of "dmj2". Then, turn on decomp=256. The fractal is still there, and the color bands are squeezed in, like they should be. These are just minor tweaks, and shouldn't be taken as an attack of Damien's work. There are tradeoffs, of course; Damien used "outside=real" which is much faster than "decomp=256" and also affords the use of xaxis symmetry. Also, Damien took the time to better comment his formula and to add default values for the parameters (neat trick!). Now, if I could just figure out the rest of his formulas. :-) ------------ dmj1 { reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=dmj-mand-smooth center-mag=-0.5/0/0.5 params=0/0/0/0/1/128 float=y maxiter=256 inside=0 periodicity=0 colors=000CGS<4>9Ne<7>eFQbJPZNOOWNCdM7fN1iP<3>5Vc<9>NnZPqYRqY<6>kqS<4>mu\ x<3>zaY<13>T3pQ0rQ4r<13>Wyw<2>GJ1<6>x2N<2>pBmtRWxfE<9>SD1<12>ecO<8>8MY<1\ 3>4nK4pJ5mI<10>EHC<4>si5<10>bka<4>0jv<2>TEY<4>coOfwLfuN<13>hUp<4>Fjo<11>\ 9WD9U98T67R29T4<7>ShOVjRZeS<5>x7_<7>ime<8>Wge cyclerange=0/255 } smooth1 { reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=smooth_man center-mag=-0.5/0/0.5 params=128/1 float=y maxiter=256 inside=0 periodicity=0 colors=000CGS<4>9Ne<7>eFQbJPZNOOWNCdM7fN1iP<3>5Vc<9>NnZPqYRqY<6>kqS<4>mu\ x<3>zaY<13>T3pQ0rQ4r<13>Wyw<2>GJ1<6>x2N<2>pBmtRWxfE<9>SD1<12>ecO<8>8MY<1\ 4>4pJ<11>EHC<4>si5<10>bka<4>0jv<2>TEY<4>coOfwLfuN<13>hUp<4>Fjo<13>8T67R2\ 9T4<7>ShOVjRZeS<5>x7_<7>ime<8>Wge cyclerange=0/255 } dmj2 { reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=smooth.par formulaname=dmj-mand-smooth center-mag=+0.25990713363414080/+0.00160746266390759/95756 params=0/0/0/0/10/128 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 periodicity=0 colors=000<40>x00z00z00<40>zy0zz0zz1<39>zzxzzzzzz<40>1zz0zz0yz<39>02z00z\ 00z<41>000 cyclerange=0/255 } smooth2 { reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=smooth_man center-mag=+0.25990713363414080/+0.00160746266390759/95756 params=128/10 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 periodicity=0 colors=000<40>x00z00z00<40>zy0zz0zz1<39>zzxzzzzzz<40>1zz0zz0yz<39>02z00z\ 00z<41>000 cyclerange=0/255 } frm:smooth_man { ; Kerry Mitchell ; smooth iteration coloring based on Damien Jones' ; interpretation of Linas Vepstas' scheme ; real(p1) = bailout ; imag(p1) = color scaling factor (1 = integer bands) ; "decomp=256" coloring bailout=real(p1), scale=imag(p1)*pi/128 ol2 = 1/log(2), fac=log(0.5*log(bailout)) iter=1, z=0, c=pixel : iter=iter+1, z=sqr(z)+c if(|z|>bailout) t=(iter+ol2*(fac-log(log(cabs(z)))))*scale z=cos(t)+flip(sin(t)) iter=-1 endif iter>0 } frm:dmj-Mand-Smooth (xaxis) { ; outside = real: smooth iteration coloring ; p3r: color scaling factor (default is 1 = integer bands) ; p3i: bailout (default is 128) IF (real(p3) == 0) ; Invalid value for color scale. p3 = 1 + flip(imag(p3)) ; Substitute a default value. ENDIF IF (imag(p3) == 0) ; Invalid value for bailout. p3 = (0,128) + real(p3) ; Substitute a default value. ENDIF done = 2 ; Iteration counter. il2 = 1/log(2.0) ; Inverse log 2 (precalc). lp = log(log(imag(p3))) ; log(log bailout) (precalc). z = 0, c = pixel: ; Mandelbrot initialization. z = sqr(z) + c ; Mandelbrot calculation. done = done + 1 ; Done one more iteration. IF (|z| > imag(p3)) ; Point exceeds bailout. z = (done + 2*il2*lp - il2*log(log(cabs(z)))) * real(p3) - done done = -1 ; Set flag to force an exit. ENDIF done >= 0 ; Continue if the flag is clear. } Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: A M Kelley Subject: Re: (fractint) Gallery update Date: 24 Sep 1997 17:58:04 -0400 (EDT) I just wanted to let everyone know that I have a couple new fractals in my gallery (finally).--Alice http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/barker/3/Chessiecat.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael E. Engelby" Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Cards Date: 24 Sep 1997 17:27:45 +0000 > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:44:26 -0400 > Tim, > > - I've been talking to Number Nine tech support and they referred me to > - this Scitech Software program called the Display Doctor 5.3a, but even > - this program refuses to do anything for this card. > > If SciTech's software won't work with your card, then it's *really* > orphaned. :) For the record, when we wanted to use the Number Nine GXE > card with Windows 95, Number Nine said they had no plans to write proper > drivers for it, that they were no longer supporting the card. They offered > us an upgrade "deal", whereby we could send in the GXE and some money and > they'd send us a new card they did support. Problem was, the upgrade price > was more than we could buy the new card for! What a rip! This experience > really soured us on Number Nine. > > - The Imagine 128 also doesn't support anything higher than DirectX 1.0 > - and I just bought a game with DirectX5 on it. So I am definitely > - looking into upgrading my system now. I am hearing good things about > - the Millenium II from this list and the Diamond FireGL from some other > - friends. I plan to make a move here very soon, so if you haven't put in > - your two cents I am urging you too! > (perfectly good stuff deleted) I have never run FractInt on my system yet. I just recently downloaded Fractint 19.6 and was very disappointed to find out that none of the Super VESA modes worked with my card. I too, have tried SciTech's software for a remedy but that exercise was futile. I now use the windows version 18.21 and it works fine. Perhaps I will attempt to port the current DOS version to windows. As a side note: I recently downloaded the DirectX 5.0 package from Mickysoft and it works fine. It does act sorta strangely when switching from a DOS mode to my 1600x1200 res. But that is liveable. It is an outrage that Number Nine will not support their perfectly good (slighty old) products. That really torks me off. I mean, my card is only 1 yr 8 months old (purchase date) and it is rendered obsolete. Is the obsolescence date for computer hardware getting faster or is it just me? This is the card that I have. Number Nine Product Name: Imagine 128 Pro Processor Type: Imagine 128, Revision 0 Memory Configuration: 8 Megabytes VRAM RAMDAC: IBM RGB528 BIOS Date: 01/07/94 BIOS Revision: 1.03.04 Driver Version: v1.01.08 -Mike Engelby Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Date: 24 Sep 1997 23:13:52 -0400 (EDT) My university's computer lab machines have an old fractint lying around one of the network drives. It's version 16. When I first started using it it was past version 17... -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wes Handrow Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Cards Date: 25 Sep 1997 00:14:40 -0500 I remind you that when you buy anything computer you've bought a boat with a hole in the bottom. Think about it, look how much things have changed in just the last 3 years and the rate of change is going faster not slower. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Cards Date: 25 Sep 1997 09:42:23 -0600 In article <3429F340.404D@mailbag.com> , Wes Handrow writes: > I remind you that when you buy anything computer you've bought a boat > with a hole in the bottom. Think about it, look how much things have > changed in just the last 3 years and the rate of change is going faster > not slower. Yep... when people ask me what's important to look for in a computer, I always tell them to buy as much memory as you can afford. This helps keep older processors useful longer because new software always increases in memory appetite. -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David D. Singer" Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Date: 25 Sep 1997 18:04:24 0 Jon After a bit of digging around, I have managed to find copies of Fractint V2.1 and V5.1 (or Fract386 as it was known back then). Let me know if you want copies of these and I will arrange to send them to you (e-mail is easiest for me but I might be able to set up a temporary ftp address if necessary - file sizes are 40.4K and 61.2K respectively). Dave Singer Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Date: 25 Sep 1997 13:25:20 -0700 Dave wrote he has Fractint V2.1 and V5.1. I think a complete colection is a good idea. Jay Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "P.Toth Andras" Subject: (fractint) Thanx Date: 25 Sep 1997 15:11:00 +1 Microsoft Mail v3.0 IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note K|ldo: P.Toth Andras Cmmzett: Fractint Targy: Thanx Datum: 1997-09-25 15:11 Prioritas: \zenetazonosmts: AE677A94 Beszilgetisazonosmts: AE677A94 ############################################################################## Thank you for your help about IFS fractals, Rich! Andras Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NOEL_GIFFIN Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Date: 25 Sep 1997 14:18:53 PST "Jay Hill" said: > Dave wrote he has Fractint V2.1 and V5.1. > I think a complete colection is a good idea. I think a complete archive of the fractint development is a great idea. I have a partial collection, ( I took it off line, because I needed the diskspace), but if someone has a site where they can hold all the releases, I will definitely link it into the Fractint Web Pages. Cheers, Noel Giffin Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael C Taylor Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Date: 25 Sep 1997 18:36:06 -0300 (ADT) On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, NOEL_GIFFIN wrote: > "Jay Hill" said: > > I think a complete colection is a good idea. > > I think a complete archive of the fractint development is > a great idea. I have a partial collection, ( I took it off line, because > I needed the diskspace), but if someone has a site where they can hold > all the releases, I will definitely link it into the Fractint Web Pages. I might know a way too-busy programmer with a fractal-related server that might be able to find some space (!time) to hold all the releases. Submit them to ftp://fractal.mta.ca/incoming which is a 'blind' directory (no get or ls) Include the version number in the file name!!! Send me an email message Wait patiently :) -- Michael C. Taylor Programmer, Computing Services, Mount Allison University, Canada sci.fractals FAQ Banned Books Week - Sept 20-27 1997 - http://www.ala.org/bbooks/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aq936@freenet.carleton.ca (Michael Traynor) Subject: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list Date: 25 Sep 1997 20:05:52 -0400 (EDT) A Fractint V20 wish: Have Damien M Jones' and other recent new colouring schemes built into fractint as X screen options. I have no idea if this is feasible, but it would be extremely cool, and run faster than having them as formulas (I'd guess). A Fractint19.6, 19.5, 19.4, ... etc thought: A big thanks to all those who put Fractint together and who share their work with us via this list, sci.fractals and the various web pages: TTTTTTT H H AA N N K K SSSS O T H H A A NN N K K S O T HHHHHH A A N N N KK SSSS O T H H AAAAAA N N N K K S O T H H A A N NN K K S O T H H A A N N K K SSSS . (with apologies to actual ASCII artists for abusing their medium) -- Mike Traynor People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like. Abraham Lincoln Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list Date: 25 Sep 1997 22:51:23 -0600 Mike asked: > Have Damien M Jones' and other recent new colouring schemes > built into fractint as X screen options. I have no idea if > this is feasible, but it would be extremely cool, and run > faster than having them as formulas (I'd guess). I'm looking at implementing Linas Vepstas coloring algorithm in Fractint, and will certainly look at Damien's file and other offerings here. I'm also interested in the idea of adding an additional section in the formula file for user-defined coloring algorithms. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael C Taylor Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Date: 26 Sep 1997 09:59:14 -0300 (ADT) > I might know a way too-busy programmer with a fractal-related server > that might be able to find some space (!time) to hold all the releases. > > Submit them to ftp://fractal.mta.ca/incoming David Singer uploaded copies of 2.1 and 5.1, and they are available from ftp://fractal.mta.ca/pub/fractals/fractint/ Also included 18.21 for Windows, 19.4 to 19.6 for DOS, including source code. -- Michael C. Taylor Programmer, Computing Services, Mount Allison University, Canada sci.fractals FAQ Banned Books Week - Sept 20-27 1997 - http://www.ala.org/bbooks/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Melissa D. Binde" Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Date: 26 Sep 1997 11:38:41 -0400 And if for any chance that doesn't work, I can also offer space. On Thu, Sep 25, 1997 at 06:36:06PM -0300, Michael C Taylor wrote: > On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, NOEL_GIFFIN wrote: > > > "Jay Hill" said: > > > I think a complete colection is a good idea. > > > > I think a complete archive of the fractint development is > > a great idea. I have a partial collection, ( I took it off line, because > > I needed the diskspace), but if someone has a site where they can hold > > all the releases, I will definitely link it into the Fractint Web Pages. > > I might know a way too-busy programmer with a fractal-related server > that might be able to find some space (!time) to hold all the releases. > > Submit them to ftp://fractal.mta.ca/incoming > which is a 'blind' directory (no get or ls) > Include the version number in the file name!!! > Send me an email message > Wait patiently :) > > -- > Michael C. Taylor > Programmer, Computing Services, Mount Allison University, Canada > sci.fractals FAQ > Banned Books Week - Sept 20-27 1997 - http://www.ala.org/bbooks/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" -- Melissa Binde -- binde@cs.swarthmore.edu; finger for address, etc. Outside the Asylum -- http://www.terindell.com/ Babylon 5 Weekly Column -- http://babylon5.miningco.com I don't always know what I'm talking about, but I'm always pretty much convinced that I'm right. -- musician Mojo Nixon Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list Date: 26 Sep 1997 09:01:13 -0700 (MST) Tim, One thing that occurred to me is that maybe there could be one additional coloring scheme added to both inside and outside. A fractal can be colored by any function of z, by using a judicious combination of if/then, decomp, and zmag options. How about having a special variable (q?) that can be used for the coloring. It might work like this: color index = q, (which would clamp to 0 or 255 for out of range values) or color index = 256 * ( q mod 1) (which would wrap around). Inside or outside or both could be independently set to q, which could decouple the coloring from the iteration number (no banding), and could allow some typically outside methods (decomp) to be used inside, and vice versa. Also, it should compute quicker than a programmer's formula forced into the zmag or decomp forms. Also, Stone Soup wouldn't have to worry about coding additional schemes (yet :-) they could just give users another tool for their own development. Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Tim Wegner wrote: > Mike asked: > > > Have Damien M Jones' and other recent new colouring schemes > > built into fractint as X screen options. I have no idea if > > this is feasible, but it would be extremely cool, and run > > faster than having them as formulas (I'd guess). > > I'm looking at implementing Linas Vepstas coloring algorithm in > Fractint, and will certainly look at Damien's file and other > offerings here. I'm also interested in the idea of adding an > additional section in the formula file for user-defined coloring > algorithms. > > Tim > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RBarn0001@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list Date: 26 Sep 1997 13:55:53 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-09-26 05:50:07 EDT, you write: << I'm looking at implementing Linas Vepstas coloring algorithm in Fractint, and will certainly look at Damien's file and other offerings here. I'm also interested in the idea of adding an additional section in the formula file for user-defined coloring algorithms. >> Tim, Would it be possible to have (1) a formula parameter which would be the one that is used for the color table lookup after escape, and (2) a formula parameter which can turn on or off interpolation within the color table, which might be a good way to provide true color and high color support, and still be relatively backwards compatible. This is the approach I use with Truemand so that I can use fractint color tables, and in some cases, fractint formulae. Ron Barnett Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RBarn0001@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Date: 26 Sep 1997 13:59:11 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-09-26 03:12:38 EDT, you write: << I think a complete archive of the fractint development is a great idea. I have a partial collection, ( I took it off line, because I needed the diskspace), but if someone has a site where they can hold all the releases, I will definitely link it into the Fractint Web Pages. >> Noel, What is the total space needed? I may have a few MG to spare at my web site. Ron Barnett Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RBarn0001@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list Date: 26 Sep 1997 14:03:40 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-09-26 12:06:01 EDT, you write: << One thing that occurred to me is that maybe there could be one additional coloring scheme added to both inside and outside. A fractal can be colored by any function of z, by using a judicious combination of if/then, decomp, and zmag options. How about having a special variable (q?) that can be used for the coloring. It might work like this: color index = q, (which would clamp to 0 or 255 for out of range values) or color index = 256 * ( q mod 1) (which would wrap around). Inside or outside or both could be independently set to q, which could decouple the coloring from the iteration number (no banding), and could allow some typically outside methods (decomp) to be used inside, and vice versa. Also, it should compute quicker than a programmer's formula forced into the zmag or decomp forms. Also, Stone Soup wouldn't have to worry about coding additional schemes (yet :-) they could just give users another tool for their own development. >> Tim, I would like to second Kerry's suggestions. Ron Barnett Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NOEL_GIFFIN Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Date: 26 Sep 1997 12:59:12 PST Hi, I just ftp'd my archive (incomplete) of Fractint versions to Michael Taylor's incoming directory at Mt. Allison at: ftp://fractal.mta.ca/incoming He should now have: frain13R.zip, frain171.zip, frain181.zip, frain182.zip, frain191.zip, frain192.zip, frain193.zip, frain194.zip, frain195.zip, frain196.zip, fraint18.zip, fraint19.zip, frasr171.zip, frasr181.zip, frasr182.zip, frasr191.zip, frasr192.zip, frasr193.zip, frasr194.zip, frasr195.zip, frasr196.zip, frasrc13.zip, frasrc18.zip, frasrc19.zip, I'm sure he will make it available to public access very soon. Others have asked for these and I just chose Michael's site because he already has an ftp site set up and it was fast and convenient for me to transfer. This is far from complete and I know that Jon Noring and others may have more complete sets but I think there are a few here that were missing from Jon's list. Especially the source codes, which I think are equally important. Cheers, Noel Giffin Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael C Taylor Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Date: 26 Sep 1997 17:09:39 -0300 (ADT) On Fri, 26 Sep 1997 RBarn0001@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-09-26 03:12:38 EDT, you write: > > << I think a complete archive of the fractint development is > a great idea. I have a partial collection, ( I took it off line, because > I needed the diskspace), but if someone has a site where they can hold > all the releases, I will definitely link it into the Fractint Web Pages. > >> > > Noel, > What is the total space needed? I may have a few MG to spare at my web site. > Ron Barnett Ron, I've already started collecting the old version online. The ones available so far are at ftp://fractal.mta.ca/pub/fractals/fractint/ So far versions: 2.1 5.1 13 17.1 18 18.1 18.2 19 19.1 19.2 19.3 19.4 19.5 19.6 (most with source) and WinFractInt 17.3 and 18.21 (both w/ src). Thanks to Noel Giffin and David Singer for their contributions. Future contributions can be sent to ftp://fractal.mta.ca/incoming/ and please send me a note when you do so (I can move the files into the correct spot). -- Michael C. Taylor Programmer, Computing Services, Mount Allison University, Canada sci.fractals FAQ fractal and cryptography archive Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dirk Meyer Subject: (fractint) 3d quaternion fractals Date: 26 Sep 1997 23:01:16 +0200 Hallo! I want to call your attention to my image gallery of 3d quaternion fractals (fractint´s quatjul type shows 2d intersections of these objects) The URL is: http://wwwcip.rus.uni-stuttgart.de/~phy11733/index_e.html and I want to ask if there is interest in supporting real 3d fractals in future versions of fractint, or if any work is in progress concerning this point. (I myself would be _very_ interested, and perhaps I could help on coding.) Dirk Meyer. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list Date: 26 Sep 1997 18:18:07 -0600 Here are the Fractint versions I have, most with source. I've lost track of which versions are still needed to make a complete collections. Do I need to upload any of these? Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list Date: 26 Sep 1997 18:30:26 -0600 Oops, I forgot to attach the list of versions I have to my message! I left off the more recent ones since these are readily available. 0730 0810 0930 1000 1301 1400 1500 1510 1513 1611 1700 1710 1720 1800 1810 1820 1821FC Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list Date: 27 Sep 1997 00:18:35 -0400 (EDT) I can obtain an old version 16.something from my university computers, via floppy disk to my home PC and upload to someplace. -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Smoothing color bands, revisited (not Date: 27 Sep 1997 00:46:08 -0400 Kerry, Thanks for posting your refinements to the smooth coloring FRM I posted. I have examined what I did, and I think I've found the problem. Since the smooth coloring technique is used to interpolate the triangle-inequality method (and others) further down in the FRM file, I'm examining them all to see how the corrections I made will affect them. I'm also not sure what to do, since the corrections would probably change any images generated with the formulae. I would, however, like to point out a few things. First, you point out that sometimes a high iteration count is needed to bring out colors, due to the way FractInt clips values from the real/imag coloring methods. You are absolutely right! I have noticed this before, but didn't consider it terribly important. You simply showed that it was at least important to you, and if you, why not others? :) Fortunately this can be fixed by a slight reworking of the formula, to make it wrap colors by itself. This leaves us with the question of whether to return color values for use with outside=real or decomp=256. The two will not produce identical results. As you say, using outside=real is slightly faster (even reworked as I indicate above), but this difference is almost inconsequential when you consider the time invested in the coloring algorithm itself. More important, though, is whether colors wrap after 255 colors or 256. Using decomp=256 will use *all 256* colors for the outside of the fractal; using outside=real uses only colors 1 through 255, leaving color 0 for the inside. Personally, I prefer the latter. I believe commenting formulae will become increasingly important as they become more like algorithms and less like simple mathematical expressions. I've tried to comment my formulae so others can see where the fractal formula ends, and the coloring algorithm begins. If you have questions about my techniques, you need only ask. Damien M. Jones / temporary sanity designs / http://www.emi.net/~dmj/ dmj@emi.net / my gallery: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.P. Louvet" Subject: (fractint) Server failure Date: 27 Sep 1997 13:40:24 +2 Hi all, Just a few words to say that there is and unidentified problem the server of my university. For a time I have put my pages at http://www-hs/louvet/jpl0.html and the French sci.fractals-faq mirror at http://www-hs/louvet/sci.fractals-faq/faq.html This can be only a temporary solution, because this computer is only a Pentium 120 running mainly as a local server for the department where I work. None of these pages have been updated after September 2, But they will be soon and I hope that the URLs at the end of this mail will work at that time. J.P. Louvet | Phone : (33)56-84-58-35 IUT Universite Bordeaux I | Fax : (33)56-84-58-29 33405 Talence CEDEX France | e-mail : louvet@iuta.u-bordeaux.fr Fractales sur serveur Web Universite Bordeaux I : http://www.bdx1.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/jpl0.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sean (and/or) Jaqueline" Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug! Date: 27 Sep 1997 15:56:15 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, Paul Derbyshire wrote: > The less serious is that the collection of 2 and 16-color modes at the > start of the video mode-picker in this version all say "256" colors at the > right. You're not going crazy, Paul. My fractint.cfg file had the same errors in it before I went in and hand-edited it. And I too got my copy from Spanky. However (!), this past weekend I trashed my hard drive, and had to go back to Spanky to re-download 19.6. The fractint.cfg file is now as it should be. This is the final proof I've been looking for, and I am now ready to announce my theory that Noel is actually a space alien trying to undermine the confidence of Fractint users worldwide, hoping to make us overlook the obvious fact that fractals have an application in both faster than light travel and crop circles. - Sean --- * Brought to you by Sean and/or Jaq, and their 18 cats: * Crystal, Sputnik, Venus, Berkeley * Tinker, Evers, Chance, * Crosby, Stills, Nash, * Tigger, Pooh, Piglet, * Orion, Cursa, Spica, Polaris, and Atria. [And yes, we have children, too. Can't remember their names, though.] Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KivrynH@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug! Date: 27 Sep 1997 18:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Hi, I don't know how it happened, but I have lost/misplaced Spanky's URL.. I'd like to go back and re-download Fractint 19.6 since the bug has crawled under the counter, atleast for the time being. If someone would please post his URL, I'd surely appreciated it. Kivryn Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Hine Subject: (fractint) Re: Alien Conspiracy Date: 27 Sep 1997 17:24:42 -0600 (MDT) > This is the final proof I've been looking for, and I am now ready to >announce my theory that Noel is actually a space alien trying to undermine >the confidence of Fractint users worldwide, hoping to make us overlook the >obvious fact that fractals have an application in both faster than light >travel and crop circles. > Sean, Don't forget the inter-species communication, anti-gravity, the unioning of religion and science, and unlimited power applications of fractals... lotsa 'work' waiting to be done with these 'pretty pictures'... Jason _ __ ___ ____ _____ ______ _______ ______ _____ ____ ___ __ _ _ __ ___ ___ __ _ _ __ ___ Jason N Hine ___ __ _ _ __ ___ GIS Specialist ___ __ _ _ __ ___ Colorado State University ___ __ _ _ __ ___ Pedology and Soil Information Systems Lab ___ __ _ _ __ ___ (970) 491-6832 ___ __ _ _ __ ___ http://boralf.agsci.colostate.edu/~jason ___ __ _ _ __ ___ jason@cnr.colostate.edu ___ __ _ _ __ ___ ____ _____ ______ _______ ______ _____ ____ ___ __ _ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) url Date: 27 Sep 1997 22:10:14 -0400 At 06:40 PM 9/27/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > >I don't know how it happened, but I have lost/misplaced Spanky's URL.. (snipped) http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/fractint.html davides@pipeline.com "Do Not Meddle In The Affairs Of Dragons For You Are Crunchy And Good With Ketchup" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.P. Louvet" Subject: Re: (fractint) 3d quaternion fractals Date: 28 Sep 1997 16:10:37 +2 le 26 Sep 97 a 23:01, Dirk Meyer ecrivait (Dirk Meyer wrote) : > Hallo! > > I want to call your attention to my image gallery of 3d quaternion > fractals (fractint´s quatjul type shows 2d intersections of these > objects) > The URL is: > http://wwwcip.rus.uni-stuttgart.de/~phy11733/index_e.html > > and I want to ask if there is interest in supporting real 3d fractals in > future versions of fractint, or if any work is in progress concerning > this point. (I myself would be _very_ interested, and perhaps I could > help on coding.) > > Dirk Meyer. > Hi Dirk, Very beautiful quaternions : great pages ! I will look at the program when I will have time. Jean-Pierre Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug! Date: 28 Sep 1997 10:19:20 -0600 Sean wrote: > You're not going crazy, Paul. My fractint.cfg file had the same errors > in it before I went in and hand-edited it. And I too got my copy from > Spanky. I'm not ready to say Paul is crazy yet , but I haven't seen this problem. I do recall, though, that the feature that allows you to edit your your fractint.cfg from within Fractint was broken in recent earlier versions. I didn't notice this because I never use it (in fact I can't even remember now how to invoke fractint.cfg editing!) If you tried to edit your fractint.cfg from within Fractint it trashed the file along the lines that Paul mentioned. However even then it would be OK when you first installed Fractint, and would stay OK if you avoided editing. If anyone can duplicate Paul's problem please let me know. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug! Date: 28 Sep 1997 23:34:55 -0400 (EDT) > >Sean wrote: > >> You're not going crazy, Paul. My fractint.cfg file had the same errors >> in it before I went in and hand-edited it. And I too got my copy from >> Spanky. > >I'm not ready to say Paul is crazy yet , but I haven't seen >this problem. > >I do recall, though, that the feature that allows you to edit your >your fractint.cfg from within Fractint was broken in recent earlier >versions. I didn't notice this because I never use it (in fact I >can't even remember now how to invoke fractint.cfg editing!) If you >tried to edit your fractint.cfg from within Fractint it trashed the >file along the lines that Paul mentioned. However even then it would >be OK when you first installed Fractint, and would stay OK if you >avoided editing. > >If anyone can duplicate Paul's problem please let me know. Clearly a bad archive got distributed and replaced in short order at Spanky. Probably, the bad archive was created after some cfg-editing on the part of the distributor using the buggy version of the editor. (Can the cfg bug cause the btrace hang though?) I shall replace the bogus version on the other machine with a new copy from Spanky. -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.P. Louvet" Subject: (fractint) New URL Date: 29 Sep 1997 12:03:47 +2 Hi all, On account of modifications of aliases on the university network, the URL for my personal fractal pages is now http://graffiti.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/jpl0.html (French version) and http://graffiti.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/jpl0a.html (English version) J.P. Louvet | Phone : (33)56-84-58-35 IUT Universite Bordeaux I | Fax : (33)56-84-58-29 33405 Talence CEDEX France | e-mail : louvet@iuta.u-bordeaux.fr Fractales sur serveur Web Universite Bordeaux I : http://graffiti.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/jpl0.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dewey@mipg.upenn.edu (Dewey Odhner) Subject: (fractint) An interesting fractal Date: 29 Sep 1997 12:27:48 EDT Using the following formula with parameter (0, -1) I get a fractal with threefold symmetry that contains miniatures of itself and of the M-set. It appears to be simply connected but not locally connected. The boundary appears to have some neighborhoods with fractal dimension one, and some with dimension two. What do people know about this? test97c {; Dewey Odhner c = Pixel, d = p1*flip(Pixel), z = Sqr(c)+d: z = Sqr(Sqr(z)+c)+d LastSqr <= 4 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal Date: 29 Sep 1997 10:55:56 -0700 Dewey Odhner wrote >Using the following formula with parameter (0, -1) I get a fractal with >threefold symmetry that contains miniatures of itself and of the M-set. >It appears to be simply connected but not locally connected. The >boundary appears to have some neighborhoods with fractal dimension one, >and some with dimension two. What do people know about this? I set it up this way, as a par file. When I zoom in or out, the image disappears. Why? Am I missing something? It would be most helpful if formula were accompanied by a par file with required frills like float settings indicated. It is easy for you to make one, just press B. Then we can see the same thing you see. Jay frm:test97c {; Dewey Odhner c = Pixel, d = p1*flip(Pixel), z = Sqr(c)+d: z = Sqr(Sqr(z)+c)+d LastSqr <= 4 } test97c { reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=test97c.par formulaname=test97c center-mag=-0.5/6e-008/0.6666667 maxiter=500 params=0/-1 colors=0D0000<15>9Tx<24>24N13M12K00I00H<14>001000000<2>800B00F10I10<4>W4\ 0Z50a60c70e80g90jB0<2>oE0qF0sH0tJ0vK0wM0xN0<4>zV0zW0yT0<2>sJ0qF0nE0mE0<4\ >Z80W60T50Q30O30<3>E10C00B00<10>100000100200<5>B0AD0CE0F<20>k0w<7>N0QK0M\ J0L<17>401000<2>010020040<26>0d00f00e0<25>080060050030020000000 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NOEL_GIFFIN Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug! Date: 29 Sep 1997 15:16:34 PST > Clearly a bad archive got distributed and replaced in short order at > Spanky. Probably, the bad archive was created after some cfg-editing on > the part of the distributor using the buggy version of the editor. (Can > the cfg bug cause the btrace hang though?) I shall replace the bogus > version on the other machine with a new copy from Spanky. Hmm. I was about to say that this didn't happen and that the copy at spanky has been consistent, but I have a vague memory of getting the fractint 19.6 version twice. I'm sure that the copy I currently have has been untouched since the official announcement of the 19.6 release, but I did have a copy of 19.6 available in the directories for a day or two prior to this, (8-MAY-1997). It might have been possible for eager fractint users to stumble on this near release version and it might be (Tim can you comment on this?) responsible for the problems reported. Noel Giffin Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal Date: 29 Sep 1997 20:48:10 -0600 Jay wrote: > I set it up this way, as a par file. When I zoom in or out, the image > disappears. Why? This is a known bug in the formula-in-par feature in 19.6. We have already fixed it in our developer version. The workaround for now is to cut the formula out of the par file and put it in a formula file. This is a good idea anyway. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VRCH78B@prodigy.com (MR CHARLES F CROCKER) Subject: Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal Date: 30 Sep 1997 00:31:55, -0500 Running test97c in the default mode results in some strange patterns in the low count area. FP gets rid of all of them so they must be integer artifacts.( But actually aren't all fractals some kind of an artifact?) I find the figure particularly intriguing for several reasons. It is very similar to the results from the Prop formula with two notable differences. The pattern fits in a circle that is extremely close to a diameter of three where Prop fits in a diameter four circle, and the low count borders are radically different.(I assume everyone has the Orgform compilation) Prop is the map for connected Julia sets, see JuliaP, but I can't see just how to write the Julia form for test97c. Looking at details in the higher count areas gives results that are remarkably similar on casual inspection as these two parameter files show. TendrilP { ; Both mini figure and apparent Mini Mandelbrot ; P90 640X480 time 0:00:47.29 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_p.frm formulaname=Prop center-mag=1.13084/0.161267/25.06297/0.9998 } Tendril_97 { ; Both mini figure and apparent Mini Mandelbrot ; From Deweys formula ; P90 640X480 time 0:00:16.15 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dewey.frm formulaname=test97c center-mag=-1.13212/0.166896/24.57068/0.9998 params=0/-1 } Sometimes trying to find analytic reasons for for why things are the way they are makes sense, and other times I feel that there is no reason at all and the results should just be accepted. I sent a copy of Prop to Cliff Pickover some time ago and his question was why the three way symmetry, and he's the mathematician. Charles Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cindy mitchell Subject: (fractint) 3D formula Date: 29 Sep 1997 23:45:40 -0700 Hi, I keep coming across par files that call for 3D formulas and 3Dfractint.frm. Where can I find this file? . ThanksYou, Cindy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VRCH78B@prodigy.com (MR CHARLES F CROCKER) Subject: Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal Date: 30 Sep 1997 09:01:55, -0500 Well I've done it again. Like the parachutist whose parachute failed to open, I have jumped to a wrong conclusion. From a radius of the squareroot of three I jumped to a diameter of three. Blame it on too much Mandelbrot set where a radius ot two gives four for both diameter and an escape value when it is squared. Until Dewey mentioned it I never gave much thought to the apparently smooth border area. As the itteration count goes up thin lines gradually creep into the smooth area without any suggestion of interesting detail. If I can accept that the Mandelbrot set is connected by threads with an infinitesimal width it seems equally acceptable that the smooth border will eventually completely break up. Any math wizards care to comment? Charles Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Markus Koesler Subject: (fractint) Algorithms of XLock Date: 30 Sep 1997 16:34:40 +0200 Hello all, my question doesn't relate to Fractint but it's also about fractals and graphic programming. I'm working on a Unix machine and on this machine is a screen saver called "xlock" which creates nice animations with fractals and other stuff. My question : Do someone know the algorithms for some of these animations because I want to program these animations on my private PC. I looked into the source code, but in the code is to much XWindows stuff I don't know ( And I'm also to lazy to analyze the whole code :-) So if someone could send me some information I will be very surprised. Thanks, ciao Markus Koesler -- ... ... ... ... ... (o o) (- o) (o -) (- -) (* *) -ooO--(_)--Ooo-ooO--(_)--Ooo-ooO--(_)--Ooo-ooO--(_)--Ooo-ooO--(_)--Ooo- _ _ (:) Markus Koesler ((___)) | Oberer Graben 58 ____________( o 0 ) | / @@@@@ @@ \ / | (:) 85354 Freising / | @@@ @ (` ') | | Germany _/_/| | _____| |_(U)|____\|/\|/___ Tel. : 08161/43987 | || | | | | | EMail : mkoesler@ti.com /...\..\ /...\/...\ -- -- -- Keine Gnade mehr mit denen, die nicht erforscht haben und doch reden -- Bert Brecht -- -- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roelf Renkema Subject: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug? Date: 30 Sep 1997 17:19:09 +0100 Still can't get 9.6 up and running on my machine. I installed a new graphics card but it still won't go. Is does run an older machine but this baby here says no and: I'm using the dos version 19.6. Now under DOS it just won't startup and crashes my system (a Cyrix 486-dx2 66Mhz) Under Win95 I get the message that it's using a wrong instruction and halts on 391D:0BE0 interupts used none So I think (but who am I) that there is a problem in the code. So I now give you Fractint programmers the option: Turn the code upside down or Deliver a new window version or else I will go play somewhere else. Ha must be a hard choice for you guys and girls &8-D Greetz Grey -- _/_/| grey@nym,alias.net (o(o) \ ' The Wolf ' OO~~ / \--__ ,/ "I like'm sweet and wet" |/~ `-' Proud member of nl.erotiek.bdsm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike or Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) 3D formula Date: 30 Sep 1997 09:11:34 -0700 Hi, Cindy. I'm Linda. Some of what you are seeing may be the way your software (or their software) decodes (or encodes) the files. Sometimes the par and frm files I see throw a "3D" in front of every "=" sign. Look at what you are getting and if that appears possible, just delete the "3D", re-save the .par and .frm files, and try them out. That may solve the problem. Good Luck! Linda http://www.geocities.com/~gumbycat (last partial update 9/16/97) http://www.fortunecity.com//tattooine/stephenson/5/abpf.html (the last 16 fractals uploaded to alt.binaries.pictures.fractals, last updated 9/17/97) gumbycat@ix.netcom.com(No Bulk Mail) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: r.hopkins@ic.ac.uk Subject: (fractint) Xfractint Date: 30 Sep 1997 13:34:20 +0100 I am having terrible trouble compiling this thing - I use the PC verion a lot, and I would like to complile fractint to run on the uni's Ultrasparcs. They are running solaris. I edit the makefile as specified in the makefile. Make then it makes hc.o and unix.o, then tells me something rude about stricmp and strnicmp not existing or something. I edit unix.h, add #define stricmp strcmp and #define strnicmp strncmp then that works. Then the help files won't compile. So I edit Makefile, and tell it not to bother with help. Fine. It makes all the o files quite happily, but then says... undefined symbol first referenced in file socket /ee/a0/apps/X11R6/lib/libX11.so and a pile of others. including get peername, xdrmem_create...... Please can someone help me, I miss my fractals :( Hoppy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal Date: 30 Sep 1997 09:59:55 -0700 Charles wrote: > If I can accept that the Mandelbrot set is connected by threads with an > infinitesimal width it seems equally acceptable that the smooth border will > eventually completely break up. Since within a vanishingly small distance of any point on the MSet there is a smaller but not zero sized midget, how can we say the threads have an infinitesimal width? Do you mean nonsero width? As for your question, I don't see the smooth boarder you are seeing. Could you post par files of the twop extreams? Jay Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Goswin Brederlow Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug! Date: 30 Sep 1997 19:26:49 +0200 NOEL_GIFFIN writes: > From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) > > > Clearly a bad archive got distributed and replaced in short order at > > Spanky. Probably, the bad archive was created after some cfg-editing on > > the part of the distributor using the buggy version of the editor. (Can > > the cfg bug cause the btrace hang though?) I shall replace the bogus > > version on the other machine with a new copy from Spanky. > > [sniped] I had many hands with btrace with an older Amiga Version of fractint. With my new gfx card and a newer version the problem is gone. This could be the same bug happening with odd configs. Would it be usefull if I test this with the old gfx and/or the old version? The Amiga Version is different and the bug could be completley different. May the Source be with you. Mrvn Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Goswin Brederlow Subject: Re: (fractint) Xfractint Date: 30 Sep 1997 19:33:30 +0200 r.hopkins@ic.ac.uk writes: > I am having terrible trouble compiling this thing - I use the PC > verion a lot, and I would like to complile fractint to run on the uni's > Ultrasparcs. They are running solaris. > I edit the makefile as specified in the makefile. > Make > then it makes hc.o and unix.o, then tells me something rude about > stricmp and strnicmp not existing or something. > I edit unix.h, add #define stricmp strcmp and #define strnicmp strncmp > then that works. > Then the help files won't compile. > So I edit Makefile, and tell it not to bother with help. > Fine. It makes all the o files quite happily, but then says... > undefined symbol first referenced in file > > socket /ee/a0/apps/X11R6/lib/libX11.so > and a pile of others. including get peername, xdrmem_create...... > > Please can someone help me, I miss my fractals :( > > Hoppy Not very informative. What comandline is used to link the .o files? Do you have all the -L and -l things correct? Please give a cut&waste of the commandline the make uses and the errors (run it in emacs with alt-x shell and attach the buffer to your mail). May the Source be with you. Mrvn Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Goswin Brederlow Subject: Re: (fractint) Xfractint Date: 30 Sep 1997 19:33:30 +0200 r.hopkins@ic.ac.uk writes: > I am having terrible trouble compiling this thing - I use the PC > verion a lot, and I would like to complile fractint to run on the uni's > Ultrasparcs. They are running solaris. > I edit the makefile as specified in the makefile. > Make > then it makes hc.o and unix.o, then tells me something rude about > stricmp and strnicmp not existing or something. > I edit unix.h, add #define stricmp strcmp and #define strnicmp strncmp > then that works. > Then the help files won't compile. > So I edit Makefile, and tell it not to bother with help. > Fine. It makes all the o files quite happily, but then says... > undefined symbol first referenced in file > > socket /ee/a0/apps/X11R6/lib/libX11.so > and a pile of others. including get peername, xdrmem_create...... > > Please can someone help me, I miss my fractals :( > > Hoppy Not very informative. What comandline is used to link the .o files? Do you have all the -L and -l things correct? Please give a cut&waste of the commandline the make uses and the errors (run it in emacs with alt-x shell and attach the buffer to your mail). May the Source be with you. Mrvn Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal Date: 30 Sep 1997 11:40:28 -0600 In article <199709300431.AAA19130@mime4.prodigy.com> , VRCH78B@prodigy.com (MR CHARLES F CROCKER) writes: > But actually aren't all fractals some kind of an artifact? Nope :) -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) 3D formula Date: 30 Sep 1997 11:46:10 -0600 ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <7698.875641557.1@woody> In article <199709301619.LAA24042@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com> , "Mike or Linda Allison" writes: > Some of what you are seeing may be the way your software (or their > software) decodes (or encodes) the files. Sometimes the par and frm files > I see throw a "3D" in front of every "=" sign. Look at what you are > getting and if that appears possible, just delete the "3D", re-save the > .par and .frm files, and try them out. That may solve the problem. What you're talking about is the way email messages are encoded. They are sometimes encoded in whats called "quoted-printable". This means that special characters are replaced with =XX, where XX is the hexadecimal ASCII code for the character (so that the mail message will pass cleanly through 7-bit ASCII systems which might strip off the 8th bit, which is often used in European character encodings for accents). Similarly, all ='s are replaced with =3D, since 3D is the hexadecimal ASCII code for =. ASCII chart appended to this message for reference. -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: text/plain; name="ascii.txt"; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <7698.875641557.2@woody> ascii(5) ascii(5) NAME ascii - map of ASCII character set DESCRIPTION The ASCII character set defines a 1-to-1 mapping of characters to 8-bit values: octal: |000 nul |001 soh |002 stx |003 etx |004 eot |005 enq |006 ack |007 bel | |010 bs |011 ht |012 nl |013 vt |014 np |015 cr |016 so |017 si | |020 dle |021 dc1 |022 dc2 |023 dc3 |024 dc4 |025 nak |026 syn |027 etb | |030 can |031 em |032 sub |033 esc |034 fs |035 gs |036 rs |037 us | |040 sp |041 ! |042 " |043 # |044 $ |045 % |046 & |047 ' | |050 ( |051 ) |052 * |053 + |054 , |055 - |056 . |057 / | |060 0 |061 1 |062 2 |063 3 |064 4 |065 5 |066 6 |067 7 | |070 8 |071 9 |072 : |073 ; |074 < |075 = |076 > |077 ? | |100 @ |101 A |102 B |103 C |104 D |105 E |106 F |107 G | |110 H |111 I |112 J |113 K |114 L |115 M |116 N |117 O | |120 P |121 Q |122 R |123 S |124 T |125 U |126 V |127 W | |130 X |131 Y |132 Z |133 [ |134 \ |135 ] |136 ^ |137 _ | |140 ` |141 a |142 b |143 c |144 d |145 e |146 f |147 g | |150 h |151 i |152 j |153 k |154 l |155 m |156 n |157 o | |160 p |161 q |162 r |163 s |164 t |165 u |166 v |167 w | |170 x |171 y |172 z |173 { |174 | |175 } |176 ~ |177 del | hexadecimal: | 00 nul | 01 soh | 02 stx | 03 etx | 04 eot | 05 enq | 06 ack | 07 bel | | 08 bs | 09 ht | 0a nl | 0b vt | 0c np | 0d cr | 0e so | 0f si | | 10 dle | 11 dc1 | 12 dc2 | 13 dc3 | 14 dc4 | 15 nak | 16 syn | 17 etb | | 18 can | 19 em | 1a sub | 1b esc | 1c fs | 1d gs | 1e rs | 1f us | | 20 sp | 21 ! | 22 " | 23 # | 24 $ | 25 % | 26 & | 27 ' | | 28 ( | 29 ) | 2a * | 2b + | 2c , | 2d - | 2e . | 2f / | | 30 0 | 31 1 | 32 2 | 33 3 | 34 4 | 35 5 | 36 6 | 37 7 | | 38 8 | 39 9 | 3a : | 3b ; | 3c < | 3d = | 3e > | 3f ? | | 40 @ | 41 A | 42 B | 43 C | 44 D | 45 E | 46 F | 47 G | | 48 H | 49 I | 4a J | 4b K | 4c L | 4d M | 4e N | 4f O | | 50 P | 51 Q | 52 R | 53 S | 54 T | 55 U | 56 V | 57 W | | 58 X | 59 Y | 5a Z | 5b [ | 5c \ | 5d ] | 5e ^ | 5f _ | | 60 ` | 61 a | 62 b | 63 c | 64 d | 65 e | 66 f | 67 g | | 68 h | 69 i | 6a j | 6b k | 6c l | 6d m | 6e n | 6f o | | 70 p | 71 q | 72 r | 73 s | 74 t | 75 u | 76 v | 77 w | | 78 x | 79 y | 7a z | 7b { | 7c | | 7d } | 7e ~ | 7f del | decimal: | 0 nul | 1 soh | 2 stx | 3 etx | 4 eot | 5 enq | 6 ack | 7 bel | | 8 bs | 9 ht | 10 nl | 11 vt | 12 np | 13 cr | 14 so | 15 si | | 16 dle | 17 dc1 | 18 dc2 | 19 dc3 | 20 dc4 | 21 nak | 22 syn | 23 etb | | 24 can | 25 em | 26 sub | 27 esc | 28 fs | 29 gs | 30 rs | 31 us | | 32 sp | 33 ! | 34 " | 35 # | 36 $ | 37 % | 38 & | 39 ' | | 40 ( | 41 ) | 42 * | 43 + | 44 , | 45 - | 46 . | 47 / | | 48 0 | 49 1 | 50 2 | 51 3 | 52 4 | 53 5 | 54 6 | 55 7 | | 56 8 | 57 9 | 58 : | 59 ; | 60 < | 61 = | 62 > | 63 ? | Page 1 ascii(5) ascii(5) | 64 @ | 65 A | 66 B | 67 C | 68 D | 69 E | 70 F | 71 G | | 72 H | 73 I | 74 J | 75 K | 76 L | 77 M | 78 N | 79 O | | 80 P | 81 Q | 82 R | 83 S | 84 T | 85 U | 86 V | 87 W | | 88 X | 89 Y | 90 Z | 91 [ | 92 \ | 93 ] | 94 ^ | 95 _ | | 96 ` | 97 a | 98 b | 99 c |100 d |101 e |102 f |103 g | |104 h |105 i |106 j |107 k |108 l |109 m |110 n |111 o | |112 p |113 q |114 r |115 s |116 t |117 u |118 v |119 w | |120 x |121 y |122 z |123 { |124 | |125 } |126 ~ |127 del | Page 2 ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NOEL_GIFFIN Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug! Date: 30 Sep 1997 12:55:47 PST Sean wrote: > This is the final proof I've been looking for, and I am now ready to > announce my theory that Noel is actually a space alien trying to > undermine > the confidence of Fractint users worldwide, hoping to make us overlook > the > obvious fact that fractals have an application in both faster than light > travel and crop circles. Oh-oh, my cover is blown. Now my plan to fractally replicate humans, creating zombie clones and putting them in positions of power to gain world domination for my evil empire is smashed. Run Bill! I'll meet you on the far side of Arturis. On the other hand, is it possible that when you unzipped the new version of fractint, you might have used the option not to overwrite existing versions of certain files, or as my previous note suggested, were you one of the eager ones that picked up fractint from spanky in the first day or two before the official release announcement? Is this still isolated to one or two cases? How many others have had problems with the fractint.cfg file with the 19.6 release? Cheers, Or should I say "Farewell Earth Creatures"! Noel Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NOEL_GIFFIN Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug! Date: 30 Sep 1997 13:13:49 PST Some futher thoughts on this subject. If your copy of the frain196.zip file is not 671707 bytes long, then you probably have a copy of the prerelease version that I held for a few days, and you might experience some problems with it. Cheers, Noel Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug! Date: 30 Sep 1997 13:25:53 -0700 Noel wrtoe: >Is this still isolated to one or two cases? How many others >have had problems with the fractint.cfg file with the 19.6 release? How about posting the correct one (.cfg file) here? Or is there a byte count or other mark on the correct version of the .cfg and distribution .exe that we could check? Jay Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NOEL_GIFFIN Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug! Date: 30 Sep 1997 14:24:35 PST Jay wrote: > How about posting the correct one (.cfg file) here? Or is there a byte count > or other mark on the correct version of the .cfg and distribution .exe that > we could check? We seem to be anticipating each other here somewhat. As well as the frain196.zip size of 671707 , the fractint.cfg file has a size of 14601 bytes I don't have a handy utility to post checksums or CRC values for these files though. I could post the fractint.cfg file here, but it is 14 kbytes and I didn't want to start getting hate mail from all the list members who aren't concerned with this issue. Cheers, Noel Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug! Date: 30 Sep 1997 15:10:05 -0700 Noel wrote: >Some futher thoughts on this subject. If your copy of the frain196.zip file is not 671707 bytes long, then you probably have a copy of the prerelease version that I held for a few days, and you might experience some problems with it. BINGO! The early bird catches the bug! Jay Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VRCH78B@prodigy.com (MR CHARLES F CROCKER) Subject: Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal Date: 30 Sep 1997 23:35:18, -0500 First another apology. I was so suprised by the figure that I didn't check to carefully before posting. Test97c and Prop differ radically at low counts. Count 2 on Test97c and count 4 on Prop appear virtually the same. I never stopped to think that a height of 1.732 was a radius of 2 at 30 degrees. As far as I can tell the figures have the same dimensions and mini high count areas appear at same relative locations. Here are two parameter files to show what I think Dewey was refering to. Fig1 { ; view of one side ; P90 640X480 time 0:00:06.31 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dewey.frm formulaname=test97c center-mag=-0.158581/0.22547/2.906977 params=0/-1 float=y maxiter=255 } Fig2 { ; raise count and zoom ; looks like smooth lines ; P90 640X480 time 0:04:11.28 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dewey.frm formulaname=test97c center-mag=-0.11277419260928540/+0.22362538875991570/7267442 params=0/-1 float=y maxiter=1023 } Looking at the center of a side at a considerable magnification and a count of 1023 it appears that we have a smooth border. But if we go down closer to the chaotic appearing area and raise the count we see high count filaments creeping twords the center. I suspect that at high enough counts and magnification the apparently smooth side will break up everywhere. One interesting feature is that with orbits and lines turned on the two figures show radically different displays. Charles Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"