From: "Shauna Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) 640K Date: 31 Mar 1998 21:08:52 -1000 On 29 Mar 98 at 0:03, Paul Derbyshire wrote: > No, I'm not thinking of running it on some old > dinosaur or anything. Reason I ask is that someone > reported in sci.fractals that their Win 95 dos box only > sees 640K (which is normal when you don't set fancy > DPMI properties) and Fractint won't run. (I've run it > in an unembellished DOS box without any trouble, except > it might not be able to do disk video.) Depends on your video drivers. I haven't gotten it to run under W95; I get corrupted images even with the appropriate textsave settings. Yet it works fine running under OS/2 with the same hardware. Another blast of bits from David Visit our not-so-boring web page: http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/ Visit the Hawaii Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net Random Thought for this Nanosecond Dahmer to PeeWee: Quit playing with the food. - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: (fractint) Re: F.O.T.D., 31-03-98 (Symphony in P-flat) Date: 31 Mar 1998 23:54:33 -0800 Jim wrote: >>I see that Dr. J is loose again on the internet. I heard his mad-scientist laughter the moment I signed on. I only hope he can keep himself firmly in three-space. We've been losing far too many good fractalists into the fourth dimension lately.<< Looks like his signal is gone... Just wait until I get my... >>As the doctor zipped past my place, he dropped off a fractal that looked like two M-sets, one on top of the other. To view the image properly, I needed my red and blue glasses. Luckily, I found them still tucked inside my "Fractal Creations" book. The glasses showed not two but three M-sets -- a red one that looks like a snowman and two overlapping blue sets. I had several questions to ask, but the doctor flashed away before I had a chance.<< I thought for a bit it was the long hours here at the navy lab where software tests continue. I'm taking a break, putting some eye drops in my eyes. Not sure if it is the software testing or the red-blue fractals..... Perhaps closer views using zooms into the image in question will settle the question. I made some preliminary looks and it may just be two fractals with the red one turning blue at its higher iterations. Now as for you, Dr. J, cross posting to all those list and my web account ... Good thing every day isn't April 1. :-) Jay - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: F.O.T.D., 31-03-98 (Symphony in P-flat) Date: 01 Apr 1998 03:19:23 -0500 (EST) Ah, I see you have gotten the main set and the biggest minibrot matched up nicely. Although there are slight differences in the form of the buds and dendrites so they don'tquite line up. >I thought for a bit it was the long hours here at the navy lab where >software tests continue. Navy lab?? -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca pgd73@hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: (fractint) Missing person? Date: 01 Apr 1998 03:36:41 -0500 (EST) I haven't seen anything by "The Fractal Lady" in donkey's years. (Months anyways). Should I file a missing persons report? :-) ObFractals: How about a herman ring contest? Everyone find rings in hring.frm or nuclear.frm (hring.frm: use the Julia type, use p1 an irrational number on the unit circle, and the other Julia parameter, p2 I think, a large realnumber like 7 or -4,or perhaps a large imaginary number will work too. Nuclear: Harder, but draw a hring M-set and find a thread with buds on both sides like mirror images. Those have rings. Pick a point and find the coordinates; say, zoom and put the zoom box top leftcorner on the thread exactly, hit tab and look at the top left coordinates. If you used a mandelbrot 'a' type, write those down, then write the p2 value, then the p3 value; if a 'c' type write the p1 value, the coordinates, and the p3 value; if a 'k' type write the p1 value, the p2 value, and then the coordinates; then enter those in order as p1-p3 for one of the Julia rendering formulas.) and post the pars or mail me them, and I'll select the freakiest... :) -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca pgd73@hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: F.O.T.D., 31-03-98 (Symphony in P-flat) Date: 01 Apr 1998 00:43:16 -0800 Paul wrote >slight differences in the form of the buds and dendrites so they don't quite line up. Yes, I was surprised to see the large differences. >Navy lab?? Yes, notice the email is from nosc.mil. Jay - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: F.O.T.D., 31-03-98 (Symphony in P-flat) Date: 01 Apr 1998 03:44:07 -0500 (EST) >Yes, notice the email is from nosc.mil. I saw a few like that. What do they have you doing there, breaking into Saddam Hussein's computer to spy on his email? -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca pgd73@hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: (fractint) List archive Date: 01 Apr 1998 04:01:27 PST What the hell's going on with the list archive? As of today, both my bookmark to it and the link from the listserv homepage hang every web client under the sun; they all say "contacting host" or "finding site" and sit until the cows come home. Internet Exploder adds a progress meter that creeps along at a snail's pace (but doesn't stall) and never does anything else. -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca pgd73@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: (fractint) Fractal Chat Date: 01 Apr 1998 04:04:21 PST For the last two weeks, the fractal chat just comes up as a blank grey box. If the mouse pointer is moved over it the message "load: class ConferenceRoom" not found. It sounds as if some dolt has deleted a needed class from the JAR file... who would do that, and isn't there supposed to be password protection to ensure that only Blake Hyde can twiddle with the JAR file? -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca pgd73@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Missing person? Date: 01 Apr 1998 09:19:17 -0500 (EST) >i'm in. find some after work, i hope. is Herman pre-computer, like Julia? Pre-computer??? Oh you mean the guy, was he around before the computer age? I have no idea. >BTW, w/ my new video card, Diamond Fire GL 1000 Pro, i am only able to run >Fractint at 640x480 and at 1600x1200 disk ram mode. is running it at higher >rez hopeless. Probably not. If you use a VESA driver (did the card come with one? If not, get UniVBE, but add something to your autoexec.bat like "date mm/dd/yy" with the current date the day you install it!) you should be able to use the "Works with most super VGA" modes. There is also the possibility of hacking fractint.cfg. > i think someone told me Sylive Gallet hacked a 1600x1200 mode >for the Millenium card. Quitepossible. Ask her. If she did, maybe she'll let you have a copy of her fractint.cfg. >how is this done? Hacking fractint.cfg. >or if i have to ask, does it mean i can't do it? Not without a lot of figuring out how fractint.cfg works :-) >Quake looks lovely, but I haven't found any Herman rings there. Aha, so that's why you got a fancy 3d card . As for Herman rings in Quake, well, someone (possibly myself) might one day make a custom map with a custom texture with a fractal...perhaps a Herman ring. Keep your eyes peeled... -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca pgd73@hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Kaplan Subject: Re: (fractint) Missing person? Date: 01 Apr 1998 09:12:50 -0500 (EST) > > BTW, w/ my new video card, Diamond Fire GL 1000 Pro, i am only able to run > Fractint at 640x480 and at 1600x1200 disk ram mode. is running it at higher > rez hopeless. i think someone told me Sylive Gallet hacked a 1600x1200 mode > for the Millenium card. how is this done? or if i have to ask, does it mean > i can't do it? Quake looks lovely, but I haven't found any Herman rings > there. > The problem sounds like a lack of VESA drivers. Try: a) Upgrading to the latest drivers for your card from Diamond. b) Searching Diamond's website for info on DOS VESA drivers for your card. c) A program called Scitech Display Doctor, which also provides said drivers. I believe it can be found at www.shareware.com, among other places. Luck! - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) Missing person? Date: 01 Apr 1998 11:14:50 -0500 Hi Peter, >> i think someone told me Sylive Gallet hacked a 1600x1200 mode for the >> Millenium card. how is this done? or if i have to ask, does it mean i >> can't do it? I used a small freeware called vesa2cfg.exe that detects all the VESA modes supported by your video card. Just run it and it will create a tex= t file called qpv.cfg. Each line of this file describes one of the VESA modes available. For example, my qpv.cfg has the following line: 1600 1200 256 1600 $4f02 $011c that means: 1600x1200 256 colors AX=3D4f02 BX=3D11c And here is the entry I added to fractint.cfg: CF9 ,Millennium VESA mode ,4f02, 11C, 0, 0, 28,1600,1200,256,OK:= Sylvie Gallet I can email vesa2cfg.zip to anyone interested, just ask. Cheers, - Sylvie - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Kaplan Subject: Re: (fractint) Missing person? Date: 01 Apr 1998 09:12:50 -0500 (EST) > > BTW, w/ my new video card, Diamond Fire GL 1000 Pro, i am only able to run > Fractint at 640x480 and at 1600x1200 disk ram mode. is running it at higher > rez hopeless. i think someone told me Sylive Gallet hacked a 1600x1200 mode > for the Millenium card. how is this done? or if i have to ask, does it mean > i can't do it? Quake looks lovely, but I haven't found any Herman rings > there. > The problem sounds like a lack of VESA drivers. Try: a) Upgrading to the latest drivers for your card from Diamond. b) Searching Diamond's website for info on DOS VESA drivers for your card. c) A program called Scitech Display Doctor, which also provides said drivers. I believe it can be found at www.shareware.com, among other places. Luck! - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nhan H Nguyen Subject: Re: (fractint) Copywright and common sense Date: 01 Apr 1998 13:38:06 -0600 (CST) This does not pertain to fractals but about the authors I thought Sylvie Galette was female??? I've also known the name "Noel" to belong to a female acquaintence. Guess any name can go both ways. I'm male as well. Just a realization for me. -Nhan Nguyen a.k.a. Lavondyss http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nguy0505/fractals.htm - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nhan H Nguyen Subject: Re: (fractint) Copyright: Some Pragmatic Thoughts Date: 01 Apr 1998 13:43:52 -0600 (CST) OK...enough is enough. I've heard/read all I can handle about copyright things. If you made it, it's yours. If you didn't it's not yours. How hard can that be to understand? If you made a pic with someone else's formula, the pic is yours, the formula is not. Use other people's pics at their discretion. It doesn't take a lawyer, judge, brain surgeon to figure that out. Let's move on to something else for God sakes. I'm tired of this $&*T. -Lav - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) Copywright and common sense Date: 01 Apr 1998 16:13:00 -0500 >> I thought Sylvie Galette was female??? ^^^^^ Aaaarrrggghhh!!! Yes, I'm female. >> I've also known the name "Noel" to belong to a female acquaintence. In French, Noel is male and Noelle is female. - Sylvie - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lavondyss Subject: Re: (fractint) Copywright and common sense Date: 01 Apr 1998 17:06:32 -0600 Sylvie Gallet wrote: > >> I thought Sylvie Galette was female??? > ^^^^^ > Aaaarrrggghhh!!! > Yes, I'm female. > > >> I've also known the name "Noel" to belong to a female acquaintence. > > In French, Noel is male and Noelle is female. > > - Sylvie > I thought I was right about Sylvie. Someone thought you were male. He could have been assuming all fractineers are male. Shrug. Anyways, is Noel from France or of French origin? I just want to know the nice people in this mailing list. Perhaps we should have a page where all the people can introduce themselves. Doing it on here seems to take up unecessary space, unless Tim Wegner doesn't care. I just found a printing shop here (Kinko's Copy) and I inquired about poster printing (for fractals) and they said the larges is 36 inches width and as long as you want. The price: $1.25 per foot lengthwise. Would that be cheap or expensive? The paper they would be using the the 20lb plain white paper. My question is: Should I go ahead and do a print? I've known good printing to be around $200 or more for 4' x 6' foot. I think will do a test print and see the quality first before I do a big one. Any suggestions? -Lav - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Copywright and common sense Date: 01 Apr 1998 17:20:04 -0600 Lavondyss, - I just found a printing shop here (Kinko's Copy) and I inquired about - poster printing (for fractals) and they said the larges is 36 inches width - and as long as you want. The price: $1.25 per foot lengthwise. Would that - be cheap or expensive? That would be cheap. - The paper they would be using the the 20lb plain white paper. My question - is: Should I go ahead and do a print? Let me get this straight: a 4'x3' would cost you $5? For $5, why not? It would have to be an absolutely lousy print not to be worth $5! - I've known good printing to be around $200 or more for 4' x 6' foot. Sounds about right. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Les St Clair" Subject: (fractint) March '98 par collection Date: 02 Apr 1998 00:04:42 +0100 Hi team, Wow! what a bumper par month! I have just place the collected pars for March on my fractal web site at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/ The file (fml9803.zip) contains nearly 350 parameters culled from this list during March, plus a handy index! Don't forget to download the updated formula collection too (fml_frm.zip) cheers, Les - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Les St Clair" Subject: (fractint) Paul Derbyshire's Nuclear pars Date: 01 Apr 1998 23:56:58 +0100 Hi Paul, I noticed that there are some formula omissions from you "nuclear" series: formulaname=nuclear_jcollogb required for nuke_j_9a1 { formulaname=nuclear_jcollogc required for nuke_j_17 { could you please post them? Ta! Les - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: Re: (fractint) Missing person? Date: 01 Apr 1998 15:51:55 PST > I used a small freeware called vesa2cfg.exe... [vesa2cfg output] > 1600 1200 256 1600 $4f02 $011c > And here is the entry I added to fractint.cfg: > >CF9 ,Millennium VESA mode ,4f02, 11C, 0, 0, 28,1600,1200,256,OK:= Obviously the first is a shortcut key, the second an arbitrary name string, and the 4f02, 11C, 1600, 1200, and 256 have obvious correspondences to the vesa2cfg output. But where the bleeding hell do you get the two zeros, the 28, and "OK:=" from? With that additional information anyone can fix up their fractint.cfg... > I can email vesa2cfg.zip to anyone interested, just ask. Even better would be to simply post the URL... Along with a good description of how to turn the vesa2cfg output line into a fractint.cfg file. .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: Re: (fractint) Missing person? Date: 01 Apr 1998 15:52:03 PST > I used a small freeware called vesa2cfg.exe... [vesa2cfg output] > 1600 1200 256 1600 $4f02 $011c > And here is the entry I added to fractint.cfg: > >CF9 ,Millennium VESA mode ,4f02, 11C, 0, 0, 28,1600,1200,256,OK:= Obviously the first is a shortcut key, the second an arbitrary name string, and the 4f02, 11C, 1600, 1200, and 256 have obvious correspondences to the vesa2cfg output. But where the bleeding hell do you get the two zeros, the 28, and "OK:=" from? With that additional information anyone can fix up their fractint.cfg... > I can email vesa2cfg.zip to anyone interested, just ask. Even better would be to simply post the URL... Along with a good description of how to turn the vesa2cfg output line into a fractint.cfg line. .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Copywright and common sense Date: 01 Apr 1998 18:23:21 -0600 Lavondyss wrote: > > I just found a printing shop here (Kinko's Copy) and > I inquired about poster printing (for fractals) and > they said the largest is 36 inches width and as long > as you want. The price: $1.25 per foot lengthwise. > Would that be cheap or expensive? The paper they > would be using the the 20-lb plain white paper. My > question is: Should I go ahead and do a print? > I don't know what city you're located in, but that is an exceptional price. All the Kinko's in the DF/W metroplex here in Texas charge US $10 per square foot. They use HP printers for 300 and 600 DPI oversize color output. They will take almost any form of digital input (GIF, JPEG, TIFF, etc...). P.N.L. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/PNL_Fractals.html - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: Re: (fractint) Copywright and common sense Date: 01 Apr 1998 16:26:00 PST Sylvie Gallet wrote: > Yes, I'm female. Suspected as much from the style of your work. Besides I've never ever ever seen a male named Sylvie or Sylvia. Sylvain seems to be the male version. They all come from the root Sylv meaning "of the woods"... Lavondyss (WTF is a lavondyss anyways? :-)) wrote: >I thought I was right about Sylvie. Someone thought you were male. He >could have been assuming all fractineers are male... Aaaaaaaaaaa! Gak! *Ptoooie*! That word sounds too much like "engineers" for my tastes... :-) >I just found a printing shop here (Kinko's Copy)... With a name like that, I suggest you verify with them that they don't specialize in something other than fractals first... >The paper they would be using the the 20lb plain white paper. What the... is this company specializingin posters for weight lifters? I haven't met a piece of paper that weighed more than 5 grams, sopping wet, unless it was unbelievably huge (butcher-wrap rolled for half a klick across a schoolyard being drawn on by kids, etc...) Have you got your measuring units right? 20lb is about 40kg, or about half the amount your computer monitor weighs! (Unless you have a really huge one or a laptop.) -- Paul [Definitely not a 'geer!] .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: Re: (fractint) Paul Derbyshire's Nuclear pars Date: 01 Apr 1998 16:30:58 PST >I noticed that there are some formula omissions from you "nuclear" series: > >formulaname=nuclear_jcollogb required for >nuke_j_9a1 { > >formulaname=nuclear_jcollogc required for >nuke_j_17 { Shit... Nuclear.frm has been posted in several installments (as I came up with tweaks and new variations) and you evidently got some but not all. Here is the entire nuclear.frm (could someone please group installment-posted formulas into one file somewhere for download & post the URL as a service to the list? I don't want to wait until I'm sure I'll never ever ever again refine a formula, before posting! But I don't want posting in chunks to cause trouble either...): Nuclear_Jul { ; p1, p2, p3 parameters. Use float=y. a=p1, c=p2, k=p3, a2=a*a, ac=a*c, r3=sqrt(3), r3a2=r3*a2, a6=3*a2, r3ac=r3*ac, ack=k*ac z=pixel: z2=sqr(z) z3=z*z2 z=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*z-ac)/(r3*z+1)+ack, lastsqr<=1000000 } Nuclear_JulCol { ; p1, p2, p3 parameters. Use float=y, outside=real, logmap=0, ; periodicity=0. Colors from 4 ranges by finite attractors ; and attracted to infinity. a=p1, c=p2, k=p3, a2=a*a, ac=a*c, r3=sqrt(3), r3a2=r3*a2, a6=3*a2, r3ac=r3*ac, ack=k*ac m=maxit-1, m4=m/2, iter=0, done=0, iter2=0 qq=0.000001, bail=1000 IF(notfirstpixel) m4=0 ELSE za=-1 zb=0 zc=1 qqa=qq qqb=qq qqc=qq ENDIF z=pixel : IF(iter0) z2=sqr(za) z3=za*z2 za=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*za-ac)/(r3*za+1)+ack IF(|za|>bail) qqa=0 ENDIF ENDIF IF(qqb>0) z2=sqr(zb) z3=zb*z2 zb=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*zb-ac)/(r3*zb+1)+ack IF(|zb|>bail) qqb=0 ENDIF ENDIF IF(qqc>0) z2=sqr(zc) z3=zc*z2 zc=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*zc-ac)/(r3*zc+1)+ack IF(|zc|>bail) qqc=0 ENDIF ENDIF iter=iter+1 ELSE z2=sqr(z) z3=z*z2 z=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*z-ac)/(r3*z+1)+ack iter=iter+1 iter2=iter2+1 IF(lastsqr>bail) done=1 color=iter2 IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(color>66) color=66 ENDIF ELSEIF(|z-za|63) color=63 ENDIF color=color+66 ELSEIF(|z-zb|63) color=63 ENDIF color=color+129 ELSEIF(|z-zc|63) color=63 ENDIF color=color+192 ENDIF IF(done) z=color-iter-7 notfirstpixel=1 ENDIF ENDIF done==0 } Nuclear_JColLog { ; p1, p2, p3 parameters. Use float=y, outside=real, logmap=0, ; periodicity=0. Colors from 4 ranges by finite attractors ; and attracted to infinity. Uses a "logmap". a=p1, c=p2, k=p3, a2=a*a, ac=a*c, r3=sqrt(3), r3a2=r3*a2, a6=3*a2, r3ac=r3*ac, ack=k*ac m=maxit-1, m4=m/2, iter=0, done=0, iter2=0 qq=0.000001, bail=1000 IF(notfirstpixel) m4=0 ELSE za=-1 zb=0 zc=1 qqa=qq qqb=qq qqc=qq ENDIF m3=m-m4 z=pixel : IF(iter0) z2=sqr(za) z3=za*z2 za=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*za-ac)/(r3*za+1)+ack IF(|za|>bail) qqa=0 ENDIF ENDIF IF(qqb>0) z2=sqr(zb) z3=zb*z2 zb=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*zb-ac)/(r3*zb+1)+ack IF(|zb|>bail) qqb=0 ENDIF ENDIF IF(qqc>0) z2=sqr(zc) z3=zc*z2 zc=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*zc-ac)/(r3*zc+1)+ack IF(|zc|>bail) qqc=0 ENDIF ENDIF iter=iter+1 ELSE z2=sqr(z) z3=z*z2 z=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*z-ac)/(r3*z+1)+ack iter=iter+1 iter2=iter2+1 IF(lastsqr>bail) done=1 color=66*(log(iter2)/log(m3)) IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(color>66) color=66 ENDIF ELSEIF(|z-za|63) color=63 ENDIF color=color+66 ELSEIF(|z-zb|63) color=63 ENDIF color=color+129 ELSEIF(|z-zc|63) color=63 ENDIF color=color+192 ENDIF IF(done) z=color-iter-7 notfirstpixel=1 ENDIF ENDIF done==0 } Nuclear_JColLogB { ; p1, p2, p3 parameters. Use float=y, outside=real, logmap=0, ; periodicity=0. Colors from 4 ranges by finite attractors ; and attracted to infinity. Uses a "logmap". ; Variation: qq shrunk. ; Suitable for deeper zooms. a=p1, c=p2, k=p3, a2=a*a, ac=a*c, r3=sqrt(3), r3a2=r3*a2, a6=3*a2, r3ac=r3*ac, ack=k*ac m=maxit-1, m4=m/2, iter=0, done=0, iter2=0 qq=0.00000001, bail=1000 IF(notfirstpixel) m4=0 ELSE za=-1 zb=0 zc=1 qqa=qq qqb=qq qqc=qq ENDIF m3=m-m4 z=pixel : IF(iter0) z2=sqr(za) z3=za*z2 za=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*za-ac)/(r3*za+1)+ack IF(|za|>bail) qqa=0 ENDIF ENDIF IF(qqb>0) z2=sqr(zb) z3=zb*z2 zb=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*zb-ac)/(r3*zb+1)+ack IF(|zb|>bail) qqb=0 ENDIF ENDIF IF(qqc>0) z2=sqr(zc) z3=zc*z2 zc=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*zc-ac)/(r3*zc+1)+ack IF(|zc|>bail) qqc=0 ENDIF ENDIF iter=iter+1 ELSE z2=sqr(z) z3=z*z2 z=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*z-ac)/(r3*z+1)+ack iter=iter+1 iter2=iter2+1 IF(lastsqr>bail) done=1 color=66*(log(iter2)/log(m3)) IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(color>66) color=66 ENDIF ELSEIF(|z-za|63) color=63 ENDIF color=color+66 ELSEIF(|z-zb|63) color=63 ENDIF color=color+129 ELSEIF(|z-zc|63) color=63 ENDIF color=color+192 ENDIF IF(done) z=color-iter-7 notfirstpixel=1 ENDIF ENDIF done==0 } Nuclear_M_k_0 { ; p1, p2 parameters. Use float=y. k is Mandel parameter, ; critical point 0. a=p1, c=p2, k=pixel, a2=a*a, ac=a*c, r3=sqrt(3), r3a2=r3*a2, a6=3*a2, r3ac=r3*ac, ack=k*ac z=0: z2=sqr(z) z3=z*z2 z=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*z-ac)/(r3*z+1)+ack, lastsqr<=1000000 } Nuclear_M_k_1 { ; p1, p2 parameters. Use float=y. k is Mandel parameter, ; critical point 1. a=p1, c=p2, k=pixel, a2=a*a, ac=a*c, r3=sqrt(3), r3a2=r3*a2, a6=3*a2, r3ac=r3*ac, ack=k*ac z=1: z2=sqr(z) z3=z*z2 z=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*z-ac)/(r3*z+1)+ack, lastsqr<=1000000 } Nuclear_M_k_-1 { ; p1, p2 parameters. Use float=y. k is Mandel parameter, ; critical point -1. a=p1, c=p2, k=pixel, a2=a*a, ac=a*c, r3=sqrt(3), r3a2=r3*a2, a6=3*a2, r3ac=r3*ac, ack=k*ac z=-1: z2=sqr(z) z3=z*z2 z=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*z-ac)/(r3*z+1)+ack, lastsqr<=1000000 } Nuclear_M_c_0 { ; p1, p3 parameters. Use float=y. c is Mandel parameter, ; critical point 0. a=p1, c=pixel, k=p3, a2=a*a, ac=a*c, r3=sqrt(3), r3a2=r3*a2, a6=3*a2, r3ac=r3*ac, ack=k*ac z=0: z2=sqr(z) z3=z*z2 z=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*z-ac)/(r3*z+1)+ack, lastsqr<=1000000 } Nuclear_M_c_1 { ; p1, p3 parameters. Use float=y. c is Mandel parameter, ; critical point 1. a=p1, c=pixel, k=p3, a2=a*a, ac=a*c, r3=sqrt(3), r3a2=r3*a2, a6=3*a2, r3ac=r3*ac, ack=k*ac z=1: z2=sqr(z) z3=z*z2 z=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*z-ac)/(r3*z+1)+ack, lastsqr<=1000000 } Nuclear_M_c_-1 { ; p1, p3 parameters. Use float=y. c is Mandel parameter, ; critical point -1. a=p1, c=pixel, k=p3, a2=a*a, ac=a*c, r3=sqrt(3), r3a2=r3*a2, a6=3*a2, r3ac=r3*ac, ack=k*ac z=-1: z2=sqr(z) z3=z*z2 z=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*z-ac)/(r3*z+1)+ack, lastsqr<=1000000 } Nuclear_M_a_0 { ; p2, p3 parameters. Use float=y. a is Mandel parameter, ; critical point 0. a=pixel, c=p2, k=p3, a2=a*a, ac=a*c, r3=sqrt(3), r3a2=r3*a2, a6=3*a2, r3ac=r3*ac, ack=k*ac z=0: z2=sqr(z) z3=z*z2 z=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*z-ac)/(r3*z+1)+ack, lastsqr<=1000000 } Nuclear_M_a_1 { ; p2, p3 parameters. Use float=y. a is Mandel parameter, ; critical point 1. a=pixel, c=p2, k=p3, a2=a*a, ac=a*c, r3=sqrt(3), r3a2=r3*a2, a6=3*a2, r3ac=r3*ac, ack=k*ac z=1: z2=sqr(z) z3=z*z2 z=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*z-ac)/(r3*z+1)+ack, lastsqr<=1000000 } Nuclear_M_a_-1 { ; p2, p3 parameters. Use float=y. a is Mandel parameter, ; critical point -1. a=pixel, c=p2, k=p3, a2=a*a, ac=a*c, r3=sqrt(3), r3a2=r3*a2, a6=3*a2, r3ac=r3*ac, ack=k*ac z=-1: z2=sqr(z) z3=z*z2 z=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*z-ac)/(r3*z+1)+ack, lastsqr<=1000000 } Nuclear_M_k { ; p1, p2 parameters. k is Mandel parameter. Colored based on all ; 3 critical points. Use outside=real, float=y, periodicity=n, ; maxiter>=256, and logmap=0. ; For logmap effect put real(p3) minimum iteration, ; imag(p3) bigger than 1, e.g. 2. ; Color 0 is for all critical points trapped. ; Colors 1-66, 67-129, 130-192, and 193-255 are separate ranges. ; Use first for outside, second thru fourth for two ; critical points escape, one trapped... a=p1, c=p2, k=pixel, a2=a*a, ac=a*c, r3=sqrt(3), r3a2=r3*a2, a6=3*a2, r3ac=r3*ac, ack=k*ac min=real(p3) p=imag(p3) IF(p==0) p=1 ENDIF z1=0, z2=1, z3=-1 qq=10^-2, iter=0, done=0, z2done=0, m=maxit-1, z1done=0, z3done=0, m2=floor(maxit/2), z1a=z1, z2a=z2, z3a=z3, flag=0, z1d2=0, z2d2=0, z3d2=0, qrl=1.5, q2=0.15 : IF(z3done==0) zz2=sqr(z3) zz3=z3*zz2 z3=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z3-ac)/(r3*z3+1)+ack, IF(lastsqr>10000) z3done=iter z3d2=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(z2done==0) zz2=sqr(z2) zz3=z2*zz2 z2=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z2-ac)/(r3*z2+1)+ack, IF(lastsqr>10000) z2done=iter z2d2=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(z1done==0) zz2=sqr(z1) zz3=z1*zz2 z1=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z1-ac)/(r3*z1+1)+ack, IF(lastsqr>10000) z1done=iter z1d2=1 ENDIF ENDIF iter=iter+1 IF(iter>=m2 && iter<(m2+1) && flag=0) z1chek=z1 z2chek=z2 z3chek=z3 flag=1 spd=0 first=0 same12=0 same23=0 same13=0 ELSEIF(flag==1) zz2=sqr(z1a) zz3=z1a*zz2 z1a=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z1a-ac)/(r3*z1a+1)+ack zz2=sqr(z2a) zz3=z2a*zz2 z2a=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z2a-ac)/(r3*z2a+1)+ack zz2=sqr(z3a) zz3=z3a*zz2 z3a=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z3a-ac)/(r3*z3a+1)+ack spd=spd+1 IF(|z1a-z2chek|=qq) first=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z2a-z1chek|=qq) first=2 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z1a-z3chek|=qq) first=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z3a-z1chek|=qq) first=3 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z2a-z3chek|=qq) first=2 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z3a-z2chek|=qq) first=3 ENDIF ENDIF ENDIF IF((z1d2>0 && z2d2>0 && z3d2>0) || iter==m) IF(z1done==0 || z2done==0 || z3done==0) IF(z2done>0 && z3done>0) ddd=z2done IF(z3done>ddd) ddd=z3done ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+66 ELSEIF(z1done>0 && z3done>0) ddd=z1done IF(z3done>ddd) ddd=z3done ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+129 ELSEIF(z1done>0 && z2done>0) ddd=z1done IF(z2done>ddd) ddd=z2done ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+192 ELSEIF(z1done>0) IF(same23!=0 && first!=0) ddd=z1done*(q2*abs(z2d2-z3d2))^qrl color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ELSE color=((z1done-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ENDIF IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(same23==0) color=color+66 ELSE IF(first==0) color=color+66 ELSEIF(first==2) color=color+129 ELSE color=color+192 ENDIF ENDIF ELSEIF(z2done>0) IF(same13!=0 && first!=0) ddd=z2done*(q2*abs(z1d2-z3d2))^qrl color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ELSE color=((z2done-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ENDIF IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(same13==0) color=color+129 ELSE IF(first==0) color=color+129 ELSEIF(first==1) color=color+66 ELSE color=color+192 ENDIF ENDIF ELSEIF(z3done>0) IF(same12!=0 && first!=0) ddd=z3done*(q2*abs(z1d2-z2d2))^qrl color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ELSE color=((z3done-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ENDIF IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(same12==0) color=color+192 ELSE IF(first==0) color=color+192 ELSEIF(first==1) color=color+66 ELSE color=color+129 ENDIF ENDIF ELSEIF(same12==1 && same23==1) ddd=abs(z1d2-z2d2) IF(abs(z1d2-z3d2)66) color=66 ENDIF ELSE color=(ddd/m)^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(first==1) color=color+66 ELSEIF(first==2) color=color+129 ELSEIF(first==3) color=color+192 ENDIF ELSEIF(same12==1) ddd=abs(z1d2-z2d2) color=(ddd/m)^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(first==0) color=color+192 ELSEIF(first==1) color=color+66 ELSE color=color+129 ENDIF ELSEIF(same13==1) ddd=abs(z1d2-z3d2) color=(ddd/m)^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(first==0) color=color+129 ELSEIF(first==1) color=color+66 ELSE color=color+192 ENDIF ELSEIF(same23==1) ddd=abs(z2d2-z3d2) color=(ddd/m)^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(first==0) color=color+66 ELSEIF(first==2) color=color+129 ELSE color=color+192 ENDIF ELSE color=0 ENDIF ELSE color=((iter-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*66 IF(color>66) color=66 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF ENDIF done=1 z=color-iter-7 ENDIF done==0 } Nuclear_M_c { ; p1, p3 parameters. c is Mandel parameter. Colored based on all ; 3 critical points. Use outside=real, float=y, periodicity=n, ; maxiter>=256, and logmap=0. ; For logmap effect put real(p2) minimum iteration, ; imag(p2) bigger than 1, e.g. 2. ; Color 0 is for all critical points trapped. ; Colors 1-66, 67-129, 130-192, and 193-255 are separate ranges. ; Use first for outside, second thru fourth for two ; critical points escape, one trapped... a=p1, c=pixel, k=p3, a2=a*a, ac=a*c, r3=sqrt(3), r3a2=r3*a2, a6=3*a2, r3ac=r3*ac, ack=k*ac min=real(p2) p=imag(p2) IF(p==0) p=1 ENDIF z1=0, z2=1, z3=-1 qq=10^-2, iter=0, done=0, z2done=0, m=maxit-1, z1done=0, z3done=0, m2=floor(maxit/2), z1a=z1, z2a=z2, z3a=z3, flag=0, z1d2=0, z2d2=0, z3d2=0, qrl=1.5, q2=0.15 : IF(z3done==0) zz2=sqr(z3) zz3=z3*zz2 z3=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z3-ac)/(r3*z3+1)+ack, IF(lastsqr>10000) z3done=iter z3d2=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(z2done==0) zz2=sqr(z2) zz3=z2*zz2 z2=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z2-ac)/(r3*z2+1)+ack, IF(lastsqr>10000) z2done=iter z2d2=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(z1done==0) zz2=sqr(z1) zz3=z1*zz2 z1=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z1-ac)/(r3*z1+1)+ack, IF(lastsqr>10000) z1done=iter z1d2=1 ENDIF ENDIF iter=iter+1 IF(iter>=m2 && iter<(m2+1) && flag=0) z1chek=z1 z2chek=z2 z3chek=z3 flag=1 spd=0 first=0 same12=0 same23=0 same13=0 ELSEIF(flag==1) zz2=sqr(z1a) zz3=z1a*zz2 z1a=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z1a-ac)/(r3*z1a+1)+ack zz2=sqr(z2a) zz3=z2a*zz2 z2a=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z2a-ac)/(r3*z2a+1)+ack zz2=sqr(z3a) zz3=z3a*zz2 z3a=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z3a-ac)/(r3*z3a+1)+ack spd=spd+1 IF(|z1a-z2chek|=qq) first=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z2a-z1chek|=qq) first=2 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z1a-z3chek|=qq) first=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z3a-z1chek|=qq) first=3 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z2a-z3chek|=qq) first=2 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z3a-z2chek|=qq) first=3 ENDIF ENDIF ENDIF IF((z1d2>0 && z2d2>0 && z3d2>0) || iter==m) IF(z1done==0 || z2done==0 || z3done==0) IF(z2done>0 && z3done>0) ddd=z2done IF(z3done>ddd) ddd=z3done ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+66 ELSEIF(z1done>0 && z3done>0) ddd=z1done IF(z3done>ddd) ddd=z3done ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+129 ELSEIF(z1done>0 && z2done>0) ddd=z1done IF(z2done>ddd) ddd=z2done ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+192 ELSEIF(z1done>0) IF(same23!=0 && first!=0) ddd=z1done*(q2*abs(z2d2-z3d2))^qrl color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ELSE color=((z1done-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ENDIF IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(same23==0) color=color+66 ELSE IF(first==0) color=color+66 ELSEIF(first==2) color=color+129 ELSE color=color+192 ENDIF ENDIF ELSEIF(z2done>0) IF(same13!=0 && first!=0) ddd=z2done*(q2*abs(z1d2-z3d2))^qrl color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ELSE color=((z2done-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ENDIF IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(same13==0) color=color+129 ELSE IF(first==0) color=color+129 ELSEIF(first==1) color=color+66 ELSE color=color+192 ENDIF ENDIF ELSEIF(z3done>0) IF(same12!=0 && first!=0) ddd=z3done*(q2*abs(z1d2-z2d2))^qrl color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ELSE color=((z3done-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ENDIF IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(same12==0) color=color+192 ELSE IF(first==0) color=color+192 ELSEIF(first==1) color=color+66 ELSE color=color+129 ENDIF ENDIF ELSEIF(same12==1 && same23==1) ddd=abs(z1d2-z2d2) IF(abs(z1d2-z3d2)66) color=66 ENDIF ELSE color=(ddd/m)^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(first==1) color=color+66 ELSEIF(first==2) color=color+129 ELSEIF(first==3) color=color+192 ENDIF ELSEIF(same12==1) ddd=abs(z1d2-z2d2) color=(ddd/m)^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(first==0) color=color+192 ELSEIF(first==1) color=color+66 ELSE color=color+129 ENDIF ELSEIF(same13==1) ddd=abs(z1d2-z3d2) color=(ddd/m)^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(first==0) color=color+129 ELSEIF(first==1) color=color+66 ELSE color=color+192 ENDIF ELSEIF(same23==1) ddd=abs(z2d2-z3d2) color=(ddd/m)^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(first==0) color=color+66 ELSEIF(first==2) color=color+129 ELSE color=color+192 ENDIF ELSE color=0 ENDIF ELSE color=((iter-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*66 IF(color>66) color=66 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF ENDIF done=1 z=color-iter-7 ENDIF done==0 } Nuclear_M_a { ; p2, p3 parameters. c is Mandel parameter. Colored based on all ; 3 critical points. Use outside=real, float=y, periodicity=n, ; maxiter>=256, and logmap=0. ; For logmap effect put real(p1) minimum iteration, ; imag(p1) bigger than 1, e.g. 2. ; Color 0 is for all critical points trapped. ; Colors 1-66, 67-129, 130-192, and 193-255 are separate ranges. ; Use first for outside, second thru fourth for two ; critical points escape, one trapped... a=pixel, c=p2, k=p3, a2=a*a, ac=a*c, r3=sqrt(3), r3a2=r3*a2, a6=3*a2, r3ac=r3*ac, ack=k*ac min=real(p1) p=imag(p1) IF(p==0) p=1 ENDIF z1=0, z2=1, z3=-1 qq=10^-2, iter=0, done=0, z2done=0, m=maxit-1, z1done=0, z3done=0, m2=floor(maxit/2), z1a=z1, z2a=z2, z3a=z3, flag=0, z1d2=0, z2d2=0, z3d2=0, qrl=1.5, q2=0.15 : IF(z3done==0) zz2=sqr(z3) zz3=z3*zz2 z3=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z3-ac)/(r3*z3+1)+ack, IF(lastsqr>10000) z3done=iter z3d2=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(z2done==0) zz2=sqr(z2) zz3=z2*zz2 z2=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z2-ac)/(r3*z2+1)+ack, IF(lastsqr>10000) z2done=iter z2d2=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(z1done==0) zz2=sqr(z1) zz3=z1*zz2 z1=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z1-ac)/(r3*z1+1)+ack, IF(lastsqr>10000) z1done=iter z1d2=1 ENDIF ENDIF iter=iter+1 IF(iter>=m2 && iter<(m2+1) && flag=0) z1chek=z1 z2chek=z2 z3chek=z3 flag=1 spd=0 first=0 same12=0 same23=0 same13=0 ELSEIF(flag==1) zz2=sqr(z1a) zz3=z1a*zz2 z1a=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z1a-ac)/(r3*z1a+1)+ack zz2=sqr(z2a) zz3=z2a*zz2 z2a=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z2a-ac)/(r3*z2a+1)+ack zz2=sqr(z3a) zz3=z3a*zz2 z3a=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z3a-ac)/(r3*z3a+1)+ack spd=spd+1 IF(|z1a-z2chek|=qq) first=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z2a-z1chek|=qq) first=2 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z1a-z3chek|=qq) first=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z3a-z1chek|=qq) first=3 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z2a-z3chek|=qq) first=2 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z3a-z2chek|=qq) first=3 ENDIF ENDIF ENDIF IF((z1d2>0 && z2d2>0 && z3d2>0) || iter==m) IF(z1done==0 || z2done==0 || z3done==0) IF(z2done>0 && z3done>0) ddd=z2done IF(z3done>ddd) ddd=z3done ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+66 ELSEIF(z1done>0 && z3done>0) ddd=z1done IF(z3done>ddd) ddd=z3done ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+129 ELSEIF(z1done>0 && z2done>0) ddd=z1done IF(z2done>ddd) ddd=z2done ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+192 ELSEIF(z1done>0) IF(same23!=0 && first!=0) ddd=z1done*(q2*abs(z2d2-z3d2))^qrl color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ELSE color=((z1done-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ENDIF IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(same23==0) color=color+66 ELSE IF(first==0) color=color+66 ELSEIF(first==2) color=color+129 ELSE color=color+192 ENDIF ENDIF ELSEIF(z2done>0) IF(same13!=0 && first!=0) ddd=z2done*(q2*abs(z1d2-z3d2))^qrl color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ELSE color=((z2done-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ENDIF IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(same13==0) color=color+129 ELSE IF(first==0) color=color+129 ELSEIF(first==1) color=color+66 ELSE color=color+192 ENDIF ENDIF ELSEIF(z3done>0) IF(same12!=0 && first!=0) ddd=z3done*(q2*abs(z1d2-z2d2))^qrl color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ELSE color=((z3done-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ENDIF IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(same12==0) color=color+192 ELSE IF(first==0) color=color+192 ELSEIF(first==1) color=color+66 ELSE color=color+129 ENDIF ENDIF ELSEIF(same12==1 && same23==1) ddd=abs(z1d2-z2d2) IF(abs(z1d2-z3d2)66) color=66 ENDIF ELSE color=(ddd/m)^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(first==1) color=color+66 ELSEIF(first==2) color=color+129 ELSEIF(first==3) color=color+192 ENDIF ELSEIF(same12==1) ddd=abs(z1d2-z2d2) color=(ddd/m)^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(first==0) color=color+192 ELSEIF(first==1) color=color+66 ELSE color=color+129 ENDIF ELSEIF(same13==1) ddd=abs(z1d2-z3d2) color=(ddd/m)^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(first==0) color=color+129 ELSEIF(first==1) color=color+66 ELSE color=color+192 ENDIF ELSEIF(same23==1) ddd=abs(z2d2-z3d2) color=(ddd/m)^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(first==0) color=color+66 ELSEIF(first==2) color=color+129 ELSE color=color+192 ENDIF ELSE color=0 ENDIF ELSE color=((iter-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*66 IF(color>66) color=66 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF ENDIF done=1 z=color-iter-7 ENDIF done==0 } Nuclear_M_kq { ; p1, p2 parameters. c is Mandel parameter. Colored based on all ; 3 critical points. Use outside=real, float=y, periodicity=n, ; maxiter>=256, and logmap=0. ; For logmap effect put real(p2) minimum iteration, ; imag(p2) bigger than 1, e.g. 2. ; Color 0 is for all critical points trapped. ; Colors 1-66, 67-129, 130-192, and 193-255 are separate ranges. ; Use first for outside, second thru fourth for two ; critical points escape, one trapped... ; Coloring variant. a=p1, c=p2, k=pixel, a2=a*a, ac=a*c, r3=sqrt(3), r3a2=r3*a2, a6=3*a2, r3ac=r3*ac, ack=k*ac min=real(p2) p=imag(p2) IF(p==0) p=1 ENDIF z1=0, z2=1, z3=-1 qq=10^-3, iter=0, done=0, z2done=0, m=maxit-1, z1done=0, z3done=0, m2=floor(m/2), z1a=z1, z2a=z2, z3a=z3, flag=0, z1d2=0, z2d2=0, z3d2=0, qrl=1.5, q2=0.15 qq2=10^-7 : IF(z3done==0) zz2=sqr(z3) zz3=z3*zz2 z3=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z3-ac)/(r3*z3+1)+ack, IF(lastsqr>10000) z3done=iter z3d2=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(z2done==0) zz2=sqr(z2) zz3=z2*zz2 z2=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z2-ac)/(r3*z2+1)+ack, IF(lastsqr>10000) z2done=iter z2d2=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(z1done==0) zz2=sqr(z1) zz3=z1*zz2 z1=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z1-ac)/(r3*z1+1)+ack, IF(lastsqr>10000) z1done=iter z1d2=1 ENDIF ENDIF iter=iter+1 IF(iter>=m2 && flag==0) z1chek=z1 z2chek=z2 z3chek=z3 flag=1 spd=0 first=0 same12=0 same23=0 same13=0 ELSEIF(flag==1) IF(z1d2==0) zz2=sqr(z1a) zz3=z1a*zz2 z1a=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z1a-ac)/(r3*z1a+1)+ack ENDIF IF(z2d2==0) zz2=sqr(z2a) zz3=z2a*zz2 z2a=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z2a-ac)/(r3*z2a+1)+ack ENDIF IF(z3d2==0) zz2=sqr(z3a) zz3=z3a*zz2 z3a=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z3a-ac)/(r3*z3a+1)+ack ENDIF spd=spd+1 IF(|z1a-z2chek|=qq) first=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z2a-z1chek|=qq) first=2 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z1a-z3chek|=qq) first=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z3a-z1chek|=qq) first=3 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z2a-z3chek|=qq) first=2 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z3a-z2chek|=qq) first=3 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z1a-z1chek|0 && z2d2>0 && z3d2>0) || iter==m) IF(z1done==0 || z2done==0 || z3done==0) IF(z2done>0 && z3done>0) ddd=z2done IF(z3done>ddd) ddd=z3done ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+66 ELSEIF(z1done>0 && z3done>0) ddd=z1done IF(z3done>ddd) ddd=z3done ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+129 ELSEIF(z1done>0 && z2done>0) ddd=z1done IF(z2done>ddd) ddd=z2done ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+192 ELSEIF(z1done>0) IF(same23!=0 && first!=0) IF(first==2) ddd=z3d2 cj=129 ELSE ddd=z2d2 cj=192 ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m2-min))^(1/p)*63 color=64-color ELSE cj=66 color=((z1done-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ENDIF IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+cj ELSEIF(z2done>0) IF(same13!=0 && first!=0) IF(first==1) ddd=z3d2 cj=66 ELSE ddd=z1d2 cj=192 ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m2-min))^(1/p)*63 color=64-color ELSE cj=129 color=((z2done-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ENDIF IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+cj ELSEIF(z3done>0) IF(same12!=0 && first!=0) IF(first==1) ddd=z2d2 cj=66 ELSE ddd=z1d2 cj=129 ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 color=64-color ELSE cj=192 color=((z3done-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ENDIF IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+cj ELSEIF(same12==1 && same23==1) IF(first==1) ddd=z2d2+z3d2 cj=66 ELSEIF(first==2) ddd=z1d2+z3d2 cj=129 ELSEIF(first==3) ddd=z1d2+z2d2 cj=192 ELSE ddd=z1d2+z2d2+z3d2 cj=0 ENDIF IF(first==0) color=(ddd/m2)^(1/p)*66 color=67-color IF(color>66) color=66 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF ELSE color=(ddd/m2)^(1/p)*63 color=64-color IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF ENDIF color=color+cj ELSEIF(same12==1) IF(first==1) ddd=z2d2 cj=129 ELSEIF(first==2) ddd=z1d2 cj=66 ELSE cj=192 ddd=z1d2+z2d2 ENDIF color=(ddd/m2)^(1/p)*63 color=64-color IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+cj ELSEIF(same13==1) IF(first==1) cj=192 ddd=z3d2 ELSEIF(first==3) cj=66 ddd=z1d2 else cj=129 ddd=z1d2+z3d2 ENDIF color=(ddd/m2)^(1/p)*63 color=64-color IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+cj ELSEIF(same23==1) IF(first==2) ddd=z3d2 cj=192 ELSEIF(first==3) ddd=z2d2 cj=129 ELSE ddd=z2d2+z3d2 cj=66 ENDIF color=(ddd/m2)^(1/p)*63 color=64-color IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+cj ELSE color=0 ENDIF ELSE color=((iter-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*66 IF(color>66) color=66 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF ENDIF done=1 z=color-iter-7 ENDIF done==0 } Nuclear_M_cq { ; p1, p3 parameters. c is Mandel parameter. Colored based on all ; 3 critical points. Use outside=real, float=y, periodicity=n, ; maxiter>=256, and logmap=0. ; For logmap effect put real(p2) minimum iteration, ; imag(p2) bigger than 1, e.g. 2. ; Color 0 is for all critical points trapped. ; Colors 1-66, 67-129, 130-192, and 193-255 are separate ranges. ; Use first for outside, second thru fourth for two ; critical points escape, one trapped... ; Coloring variant. a=p1, c=pixel, k=p3, a2=a*a, ac=a*c, r3=sqrt(3), r3a2=r3*a2, a6=3*a2, r3ac=r3*ac, ack=k*ac min=real(p2) p=imag(p2) IF(p==0) p=1 ENDIF z1=0, z2=1, z3=-1 qq=0.001, iter=0, done=0, z2done=0, m=maxit-1, z1done=0, z3done=0, m2=floor(m/2), z1a=z1, z2a=z2, z3a=z3, flag=0, z1d2=0, z2d2=0, z3d2=0, qrl=1.5, q2=0.15 qq2=0.0000001 : IF(z3done==0) zz2=sqr(z3) zz3=z3*zz2 z3=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z3-ac)/(r3*z3+1)+ack, IF(lastsqr>10000) z3done=iter z3d2=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(z2done==0) zz2=sqr(z2) zz3=z2*zz2 z2=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z2-ac)/(r3*z2+1)+ack, IF(lastsqr>10000) z2done=iter z2d2=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(z1done==0) zz2=sqr(z1) zz3=z1*zz2 z1=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z1-ac)/(r3*z1+1)+ack, IF(lastsqr>10000) z1done=iter z1d2=1 ENDIF ENDIF iter=iter+1 IF(iter>=m2 && flag==0) z1chek=z1 z2chek=z2 z3chek=z3 flag=1 spd=0 first=0 same12=0 same23=0 same13=0 ELSEIF(flag==1) IF(z1d2==0) zz2=sqr(z1a) zz3=z1a*zz2 z1a=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z1a-ac)/(r3*z1a+1)+ack ENDIF IF(z2d2==0) zz2=sqr(z2a) zz3=z2a*zz2 z2a=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z2a-ac)/(r3*z2a+1)+ack ENDIF IF(z3d2==0) zz2=sqr(z3a) zz3=z3a*zz2 z3a=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z3a-ac)/(r3*z3a+1)+ack ENDIF spd=spd+1 IF(|z1a-z2chek|=qq) first=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z2a-z1chek|=qq) first=2 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z1a-z3chek|=qq) first=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z3a-z1chek|=qq) first=3 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z2a-z3chek|=qq) first=2 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z3a-z2chek|=qq) first=3 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z1a-z1chek|0 && z2d2>0 && z3d2>0) || iter==m) IF(z1done==0 || z2done==0 || z3done==0) IF(z2done>0 && z3done>0) ddd=z2done IF(z3done>ddd) ddd=z3done ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+66 ELSEIF(z1done>0 && z3done>0) ddd=z1done IF(z3done>ddd) ddd=z3done ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+129 ELSEIF(z1done>0 && z2done>0) ddd=z1done IF(z2done>ddd) ddd=z2done ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+192 ELSEIF(z1done>0) IF(same23!=0 && first!=0) IF(first==2) ddd=z3d2 cj=129 ELSE ddd=z2d2 cj=192 ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m2-min))^(1/p)*63 color=64-color ELSE cj=66 color=((z1done-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ENDIF IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+cj ELSEIF(z2done>0) IF(same13!=0 && first!=0) IF(first==1) ddd=z3d2 cj=66 ELSE ddd=z1d2 cj=192 ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m2-min))^(1/p)*63 color=64-color ELSE cj=129 color=((z2done-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ENDIF IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+cj ELSEIF(z3done>0) IF(same12!=0 && first!=0) IF(first==1) ddd=z2d2 cj=66 ELSE ddd=z1d2 cj=129 ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 color=64-color ELSE cj=192 color=((z3done-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ENDIF IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+cj ELSEIF(same12==1 && same23==1) IF(first==1) ddd=z2d2+z3d2 cj=66 ELSEIF(first==2) ddd=z1d2+z3d2 cj=129 ELSEIF(first==3) ddd=z1d2+z2d2 cj=192 ELSE ddd=z1d2+z2d2+z3d2 cj=0 ENDIF IF(first==0) color=(ddd/m2)^(1/p)*66 color=67-color IF(color>66) color=66 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF ELSE color=(ddd/m2)^(1/p)*63 color=64-color IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF ENDIF color=color+cj ELSEIF(same12==1) IF(first==1) ddd=z2d2 cj=129 ELSEIF(first==2) ddd=z1d2 cj=66 ELSE cj=192 ddd=z1d2+z2d2 ENDIF color=(ddd/m2)^(1/p)*63 color=64-color IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+cj ELSEIF(same13==1) IF(first==1) cj=192 ddd=z3d2 ELSEIF(first==3) cj=66 ddd=z1d2 else cj=129 ddd=z1d2+z3d2 ENDIF color=(ddd/m2)^(1/p)*63 color=64-color IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+cj ELSEIF(same23==1) IF(first==2) ddd=z3d2 cj=192 ELSEIF(first==3) ddd=z2d2 cj=129 ELSE ddd=z2d2+z3d2 cj=66 ENDIF color=(ddd/m2)^(1/p)*63 color=64-color IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+cj ELSE color=0 ENDIF ELSE color=((iter-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*66 IF(color>66) color=66 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF ENDIF done=1 z=color-iter-7 ENDIF done==0 } Nuclear_M_aq { ; p2, p3 parameters. c is Mandel parameter. Colored based on all ; 3 critical points. Use outside=real, float=y, periodicity=n, ; maxiter>=256, and logmap=0. ; For logmap effect put real(p2) minimum iteration, ; imag(p2) bigger than 1, e.g. 2. ; Color 0 is for all critical points trapped. ; Colors 1-66, 67-129, 130-192, and 193-255 are separate ranges. ; Use first for outside, second thru fourth for two ; critical points escape, one trapped... ; Coloring variant. a=pixel, c=p2, k=p3, a2=a*a, ac=a*c, r3=sqrt(3), r3a2=r3*a2, a6=3*a2, r3ac=r3*ac, ack=k*ac min=real(p2) p=imag(p2) IF(p==0) p=1 ENDIF z1=0, z2=1, z3=-1 qq=10^-3, iter=0, done=0, z2done=0, m=maxit-1, z1done=0, z3done=0, m2=floor(m/2), z1a=z1, z2a=z2, z3a=z3, flag=0, z1d2=0, z2d2=0, z3d2=0, qrl=1.5, q2=0.15 qq2=10^-7 : IF(z3done==0) zz2=sqr(z3) zz3=z3*zz2 z3=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z3-ac)/(r3*z3+1)+ack, IF(lastsqr>10000) z3done=iter z3d2=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(z2done==0) zz2=sqr(z2) zz3=z2*zz2 z2=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z2-ac)/(r3*z2+1)+ack, IF(lastsqr>10000) z2done=iter z2d2=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(z1done==0) zz2=sqr(z1) zz3=z1*zz2 z1=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z1-ac)/(r3*z1+1)+ack, IF(lastsqr>10000) z1done=iter z1d2=1 ENDIF ENDIF iter=iter+1 IF(iter>=m2 && flag==0) z1chek=z1 z2chek=z2 z3chek=z3 flag=1 spd=0 first=0 same12=0 same23=0 same13=0 ELSEIF(flag==1) IF(z1d2==0) zz2=sqr(z1a) zz3=z1a*zz2 z1a=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z1a-ac)/(r3*z1a+1)+ack ENDIF IF(z2d2==0) zz2=sqr(z2a) zz3=z2a*zz2 z2a=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z2a-ac)/(r3*z2a+1)+ack ENDIF IF(z3d2==0) zz2=sqr(z3a) zz3=z3a*zz2 z3a=(r3a2*zz3-a6*zz2-r3ac*z3a-ac)/(r3*z3a+1)+ack ENDIF spd=spd+1 IF(|z1a-z2chek|=qq) first=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z2a-z1chek|=qq) first=2 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z1a-z3chek|=qq) first=1 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z3a-z1chek|=qq) first=3 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z2a-z3chek|=qq) first=2 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z3a-z2chek|=qq) first=3 ENDIF ENDIF IF(|z1a-z1chek|0 && z2d2>0 && z3d2>0) || iter==m) IF(z1done==0 || z2done==0 || z3done==0) IF(z2done>0 && z3done>0) ddd=z2done IF(z3done>ddd) ddd=z3done ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+66 ELSEIF(z1done>0 && z3done>0) ddd=z1done IF(z3done>ddd) ddd=z3done ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+129 ELSEIF(z1done>0 && z2done>0) ddd=z1done IF(z2done>ddd) ddd=z2done ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+192 ELSEIF(z1done>0) IF(same23!=0 && first!=0) IF(first==2) ddd=z3d2 cj=129 ELSE ddd=z2d2 cj=192 ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m2-min))^(1/p)*63 color=64-color ELSE cj=66 color=((z1done-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ENDIF IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+cj ELSEIF(z2done>0) IF(same13!=0 && first!=0) IF(first==1) ddd=z3d2 cj=66 ELSE ddd=z1d2 cj=192 ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m2-min))^(1/p)*63 color=64-color ELSE cj=129 color=((z2done-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ENDIF IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+cj ELSEIF(z3done>0) IF(same12!=0 && first!=0) IF(first==1) ddd=z2d2 cj=66 ELSE ddd=z1d2 cj=129 ENDIF color=((ddd-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 color=64-color ELSE cj=192 color=((z3done-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*63 ENDIF IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+cj ELSEIF(same12==1 && same23==1) IF(first==1) ddd=z2d2+z3d2 cj=66 ELSEIF(first==2) ddd=z1d2+z3d2 cj=129 ELSEIF(first==3) ddd=z1d2+z2d2 cj=192 ELSE ddd=z1d2+z2d2+z3d2 cj=0 ENDIF IF(first==0) color=(ddd/m2)^(1/p)*66 color=67-color IF(color>66) color=66 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF ELSE color=(ddd/m2)^(1/p)*63 color=64-color IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF ENDIF color=color+cj ELSEIF(same12==1) IF(first==1) ddd=z2d2 cj=129 ELSEIF(first==2) ddd=z1d2 cj=66 ELSE cj=192 ddd=z1d2+z2d2 ENDIF color=(ddd/m2)^(1/p)*63 color=64-color IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+cj ELSEIF(same13==1) IF(first==1) cj=192 ddd=z3d2 ELSEIF(first==3) cj=66 ddd=z1d2 else cj=129 ddd=z1d2+z3d2 ENDIF color=(ddd/m2)^(1/p)*63 color=64-color IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+cj ELSEIF(same23==1) IF(first==2) ddd=z3d2 cj=192 ELSEIF(first==3) ddd=z2d2 cj=129 ELSE ddd=z2d2+z3d2 cj=66 ENDIF color=(ddd/m2)^(1/p)*63 color=64-color IF(color>63) color=63 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF color=color+cj ELSE color=0 ENDIF ELSE color=((iter-min)/(m-min))^(1/p)*66 IF(color>66) color=66 ENDIF IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF ENDIF done=1 z=color-iter-7 ENDIF done==0 } Nuclear_JColLogC { ; p1, p2, p3 parameters. Use float=y, outside=real, logmap=0, ; periodicity=0. Colors from 4 ranges by finite attractors ; and attracted to infinity. Uses a "logmap". ; Variation: Log reversed for high iterations. a=p1, c=p2, k=p3, a2=a*a, ac=a*c, r3=sqrt(3), r3a2=r3*a2, a6=3*a2, r3ac=r3*ac, ack=k*ac m=maxit-1, m4=m/2, iter=0, done=0, iter2=0, fi=3000 qq=0.000001, bail=1000 IF(notfirstpixel) m4=0 ELSE za=-1 zb=0 zc=1 qqa=qq qqb=qq qqc=qq ENDIF m3=m-m4 z=pixel : IF(iter0) z2=sqr(za) z3=za*z2 za=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*za-ac)/(r3*za+1)+ack IF(|za|>bail) qqa=0 ENDIF ENDIF IF(qqb>0) z2=sqr(zb) z3=zb*z2 zb=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*zb-ac)/(r3*zb+1)+ack IF(|zb|>bail) qqb=0 ENDIF ENDIF IF(qqc>0) z2=sqr(zc) z3=zc*z2 zc=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*zc-ac)/(r3*zc+1)+ack IF(|zc|>bail) qqc=0 ENDIF ENDIF iter=iter+1 ELSE z2=sqr(z) z3=z*z2 z=(r3a2*z3-a6*z2-r3ac*z-ac)/(r3*z+1)+ack iter=iter+1 iter2=iter2+1 IF(lastsqr>bail) done=1 color=66*(log(iter2)/log(m3)) IF(color<1) color=1 ENDIF IF(color>66) color=66 ENDIF ELSEIF(|z-za|63) color=63 ENDIF color=color+66 ELSEIF(|z-zb|63) color=63 ENDIF color=color+129 ELSEIF(|z-zc|63) color=63 ENDIF color=color+192 ENDIF IF(done) z=color-iter-7 notfirstpixel=1 ENDIF ENDIF done==0 } (Whew! At least pasting this shit into a form on a hotmail web page using Internet Exploder is orders of magnitude faster than pasting it into a freenet terminal session into the clunky pico editor they use there!) .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fractalcat@juno.com (F Cat) Subject: (fractint) fractal domain names Date: 01 Apr 1998 20:07:23 -0500 I think it was this list that had this discussion about registering fractal domain names. "As of Wednesday, April 1, InterNIC (the group that registers domain names) will be lowering its prices by 30%. Registering your domain name will now cost only $70". _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Genealogy1 Subject: (fractint) Long calculation times... Date: 01 Apr 1998 20:57:49 EST Some 3 or 4 years ago when I was using WINFRACT with Windows 3.1, I could minimize the program and continue with other computer doings. The calculations would continue. There was 1 occasion when WINFRACT took 1 week to finish an image yet I had my Computer to use for other things. The point I'm trying to make is if FRACTINT were a Windows program and you didn't mind leaving your computer turned on 24 hours a day (without monitor at times), you could see time consuming images. If you wish to leave the fractint minimized, you could bring up a 2nd copy of the program and even use it while the 1st was working. This may be another strong point for making FRACTINT a Windows program. --Bob Carr--(Ocala, FL) - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Gilman Subject: (fractint) The end of DOS is on the horizon Date: 01 Apr 1998 18:21:27 -0800 Some Humor and some questions: Humor: http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,20947,00.html "Gates targets end of Windows 98" - he describes that Win98 is the last DOS-based OS Questions: 1) I'm hacking at a Macintosh port 'cause Fractint rules (and I dig Macs). Are there any "gotchas" I should know about, maybe from someone who has mucked with the X-port? For some details, I'm using the XFRACT code base until I get the Mac GUI stuff worked out (menus, mouse, keyboard, video; all working & translated into Fractint-understandable code); then I'll switch bases to the FRACTINT-base & attempt to remove & replace the DOS (& x86 ASM) specific stuff w/ appropriate Mac (& PPC ASM) code. 2) I'd poop joy if FRACTINT has robust command-line support, such that a user could pass *.par files & all the other goodies w/o actually touching the FRACTINT menus. Can someone clue me in as to how robust the command-line support is? 3) Is there Fractint-engine work going on, akin to POV-RAYs? That's it! -=Tim Gilman, tgilman@cats.ucsc.edu Tim Gilman Rhapsody BlueBox t.gilman@apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) Paper and Windows Date: 01 Apr 1998 18:58:06 -0800 Bob... I tried to say the same thing in different words some time ago. I think it is more important to bring Fractint into the multi-tasking environment than anything, especially since many of us are moving to NT. Regarding weight of paper. The paper I use for printing output from my puter (I have a very cheap HP printer) is 24 pounds. 20 lb paper is a pretty good quality paper. I think really fine stationary is about 36 lbs. That is a measure of the weight of 10 (I believe) reams of paper. A ream is more or less 500 sheets of paper. Angela At 08:57 PM 4/1/98 EST, you wrote: >Some 3 or 4 years ago when I was using WINFRACT with Windows 3.1, I could >minimize the program and continue with other computer doings. The calculations >would continue. There was 1 occasion when WINFRACT took 1 week to finish an >image yet I had my Computer to use for other things. > >The point I'm trying to make is if FRACTINT were a Windows program and you >didn't mind leaving your computer turned on 24 hours a day (without monitor at >times), you could see time consuming images. If you wish to leave the fractint >minimized, you could bring up a 2nd copy of the program and even use it while >the 1st was working. > >This may be another strong point for making FRACTINT a Windows program. > >--Bob Carr--(Ocala, FL) - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Missing person? Date: 01 Apr 1998 20:45:27 -0600 Peter Jakubowicz wrote: > > BTW, w/ my new video card, Diamond Fire GL 1000 Pro, > i am only able to run Fractint at 640x480 and at > 1600x1200 disk ram mode. is running it at higher > rez hopeless. > Here's a website for all kinds of drivers for all kinds of operating systems: http://www.driverupdate.com/ P.N.L. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/PNL_Fractals.html - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: (fractint) Another variety of Newton formula Date: 01 Apr 1998 20:51:22 -0600 (CST) comment { Here's a formula that uses the Newton's method solution of z^k - 1 = 0 in such a way that makes it easy to get a wide variety of 3D effects. The 6 pars demonstrate some of the effects possible using just k = 3. This is a good formula to experiment with. (This actually isn't a Newton's method formula since I don't check for convergence, but I do use the Newton's method equations.) To Mike Traynor: Thanks for the comments - I appreciate them. Your server is still rejecting email from Netcom. Paul Carlson } frm:Newton_3Way {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 ; Newton's method solution of w^k - 1 = 0 ; Always use float=y, outside=summ ; ; real(p1) = escape circle radius squared ; imag(p1) = k (exponent of w) ; p2 = relaxation factor ; real(p3) = number of color ranges ; imag(p3) = number of colors in a range ; z = iter = range_num = bailout = 0 w = pixel prev_modw2 = 1.0e20 rad2 = real(p1) k = imag(p1) km1 = k - 1 num_ranges = real(p3) colors_in_range = imag(p3) colors_in_range_1 = colors_in_range - 1 : w = w - p2 * ((w^k) - 1) / (k * (w^km1)) ; IF ((prev_modw2 < rad2) * (|w| > rad2)) bailout = 1 index = colors_in_range_1 * (rad2 - prev_modw2) / rad2 z = index + range_num * colors_in_range + 1 ENDIF prev_modw2 = |w| range_num = range_num + 1 IF (range_num == num_ranges) range_num = 0 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter bailout == 0 } nwt3way1 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=newt3way.par formulaname=newton_3way passes=1 center-mag=-2.22045e-016/1.38778e-016/3.205128/1/-29.998 params=1/3/2/0/2/125 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000zqa<59>OJ7G00<63>z880M8<58>090OJ7<62>zqa000<3>000 } nwt3way2 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=newt3way.par formulaname=newton_3way passes=1 center-mag=-0.00649553/0.00528143/3.770592/1/-29.998 params=1/3/1/0/8/30 float=y maxiter=256 inside=253 outside=summ colors=0000C4<15>0zR<12>0C40CC<15>0zz<12>0CC00O<14>FFwGGzFFw<\ 11>00OSA`<14>eNxfOzeNw<10>K2OO08<15>z0f<13>O08O00<15>z88<11>R1\ 1c40<12>sP0uQ0vS0xU0wT0<12>c40aG0<15>zz0<12>aG0000<13>000 } nwt3way3 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=newt3way.par formulaname=newton_3way passes=1 center-mag=-0.00649553/0.00528143/3.770592/1/-29.998 params=1/3/0.5/0.5/8/30 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=0000C4<15>0zR<12>0C40CC<15>0zz<12>0CC00O<14>FFwGGzFFw<\ 11>00OSA`<14>eNxfOzeNw<10>K2OO08<15>z0f<13>O08O00<15>z88<11>R1\ 1c40<12>sP0uQ0vS0xU0wT0<12>c40aG0<15>zz0<12>aG0000<13>000 } nwt3way4 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=newt3way.par formulaname=newton_3way passes=t center-mag=0.0900214/-0.157822/0.04014196/1/150 params=1/3/2.2/0/2/125 float=y maxiter=252 inside=253 outside=summ invert=1/0/0 colors=0000C4<15>0zR<12>0C40CC<15>0zz<12>0CC00O<14>FFwGGzFFw<\ 11>00OSA`<14>eNxfOzeNw<10>K2OO08<15>z0f<13>O08O00<15>z88<11>R1\ 1c40<12>sP0uQ0vS0xU0wT0<12>c40aG0<15>zz0<12>aG00C4<9>0zR000<2>000 } nwt3way5 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=newt3way.par formulaname=newton_3way passes=t center-mag=-0.00649553/0.00528143/0.5748885/1/-29.996 params=0.7/3/0.3/0.3/8/30 float=y maxiter=256 inside=253 outside=summ colors=0000C4<15>0zR<12>0C40CC<15>0zz<12>0CC00O<14>FFwGGzFFw<\ 11>00OSA`<14>eNxfOzeNw<10>K2OO08<15>z0f<13>O08O00<15>z88<11>R1\ 1c40<12>sP0uQ0vS0xU0wT0<12>c40aG0<15>zz0<12>aG0000<13>000 } nwt3way6 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1996 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=newt3way.par formulaname=newton_3way passes=t center-mag=0.0900214/-0.157822/0.04014196/1/150 params=1/3/0.5/0.5/2/125 float=y maxiter=252 inside=253 outside=summ invert=1/0/0 colors=000U22<123>z88WRF<123>zqa000<3>000 } - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Trevor Fast Subject: RE: (fractint) The end of DOS is on the Date: 01 Apr 1998 21:01:00 -0600 the actual address is: http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,20497,00.html ---------- Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 8:34 PM Some Humor and some questions: Humor: http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,20947,00.html "Gates targets end of Windows 98" - he describes that Win98 is the last DOS-based OS Questions: 1) I'm hacking at a Macintosh port 'cause Fractint rules (and I dig Macs). Are there any "gotchas" I should know about, maybe from someone who has mucked with the X-port? For some details, I'm using the XFRACT code base until I get the Mac GUI stuff worked out (menus, mouse, keyboard, video; all working & translated into Fractint-understandable code); then I'll switch bases to the FRACTINT-base & attempt to remove & replace the DOS (& x86 ASM) specific stuff w/ appropriate Mac (& PPC ASM) code. 2) I'd poop joy if FRACTINT has robust command-line support, such that a user could pass *.par files & all the other goodies w/o actually touching the FRACTINT menus. Can someone clue me in as to how robust the command-line support is? 3) Is there Fractint-engine work going on, akin to POV-RAYs? That's it! -=Tim Gilman, tgilman@cats.ucsc.edu Tim Gilman Rhapsody BlueBox t.gilman@apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: (fractint) Colormap Par Date: 01 Apr 1998 19:32:44 -0800 Jay suggested I post colormaps both as a zipped file consisting of colormaps (format filename.map) and as pars. I'm not too sure of my skills with color pars. Please help me out here. This is my first set of colormaps in the par format. Let me know if they work for you. These are what I call the 1-2-3 maps.....maps with a limited number of colors which are great to clean up a busy image. If I have the methodology right, I will post the rest of the maps at my website. 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(Fractal of the Night) 1 Apr 1998 Date: 01 Apr 1998 20:00:08 -0800 At 04:06 PM 3/31/98 -0800, you wrote: > >F.O.T.N. (Fractal of the Night) 1 Apr 1998 (Bwwwaaahaahahahaha!) > <> I have to admit I'm a Dr. J fan and have been following his adventures since Christmas or thereabouts. My problem is that I don't get to tune in as often as I'd like. The new forward and back guides on each page are great but I typically find myself embroiled in the latest adventure then going backwards to catch up. Could there maybe be a start page for each month so I could go forward with Dr. J??? He is confusing enough!!!! Love those mad scientists!! Angela - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James R. McKenzie" Subject: Re: (fractint) Paul Derbyshire's Nuclear pars Date: 01 Apr 1998 17:54:26 -0800 (PST) Paul, Will you please send me your Nuclear "goodies" in a ZIP file, I've crashed my system twice already trying to copy/paste your megapost to a notepad text file. I tried Wordperfect too. No dice. <8-( I know this'll be a pain in the ass but I really do want them all and this is "THE" only way I'm gonna be able to get them. T H A N K Y O U James R. McKenzie WHOOKAM88@YAHOO.COM _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lavondyss Subject: Re: (fractint) Copywright and common sense Date: 01 Apr 1998 22:14:17 -0600 Paul Derbyshire wrote: > Sylvie Gallet wrote: > > Yes, I'm female. > > Suspected as much from the style of your work. Besides I've never ever > ever seen a male named Sylvie or Sylvia. Sylvain seems to be the male > version. They all come from the root Sylv meaning "of the woods"... > > Lavondyss (WTF is a lavondyss anyways? :-)) wrote: > >I thought I was right about Sylvie. Someone thought you were male. He > >could have been assuming all fractineers are male... > > Aaaaaaaaaaa! Gak! *Ptoooie*! > That word sounds too much like "engineers" for my tastes... > :-) > > >I just found a printing shop here (Kinko's Copy)... > > With a name like that, I suggest you verify with them that they don't > specialize in something other than fractals first... > > >The paper they would be using the the 20lb plain white paper. > > What the... is this company specializingin posters for weight lifters? I > haven't met a piece of paper that weighed more than 5 grams, sopping > wet, unless it was unbelievably huge (butcher-wrap rolled for half a > klick across a schoolyard being drawn on by kids, etc...) > Have you got your measuring units right? 20lb is about 40kg, or about > half the amount your computer monitor weighs! (Unless you have a really > huge one or a laptop.) > > -- Paul [Definitely not a 'geer!] > > .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not > -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a > `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ > -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca > ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca > Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > - > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Kinko's is a cool place to print for a fair price. The paper weight is calculated in cubic feet I think. I'm not sure. Anyone know for certain. The good ones are around 30lb and up such as glossy and matted(coated) paper. 20lb is normal. I've checked them out Paul, they's cool. Lavondyss is just a name just like Michael or George or Paul. What's in a name anyways? -Lav - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lavondyss Subject: (fractint) Fractal printing. Date: 01 Apr 1998 22:14:21 -0600 Thanx for answering Damien, I thought it was an absolutely wonderful deal. I'm currently searching for a glossy poster style printing shop. I'm sure I'll have to pay an arm and a leg for them. I'm having a friend do a dye sublimation print only at 8 1/2 X 11 though. But I'd love to see it though. I hope everything works out. I'm gonna have the poster printed tomorrow. Gotta install my Spaq 1.0 Gig removeable drive to store all my fractals and MP3's. -Lav - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Long calculation times... Date: 01 Apr 1998 21:05:52 -0800 Bob Carr wrote: >>The point I'm trying to make is if FRACTINT were a Windows program and you didn't mind leaving your computer turned on 24 hours a day (without monitor at times), you could see time consuming images. If you wish to leave the fractint minimized, you could bring up a 2nd copy of the program and even use it while the 1st was working. This may be another strong point for making FRACTINT a Windows program.<< Not needed, you can do Fractint calculations in background now very nicely. See my Contest Construction Kit(TM) for examples of how to set up batch files to do the whole contest, ~150 images, in background. Jay http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/ - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Colormap Par Date: 01 Apr 1998 21:18:09 -0800 wizzle wrote >>Jay suggested I post colormaps both as a zipped file consisting of colormaps (format filename.map) and as pars. I'm not too sure of my skills with color pars. Please help me out here. << I checked a few, looks good. Jay - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) F.O.T.N. (Fractal of the Night) 1 Apr 1998 Date: 01 Apr 1998 21:26:58 -0800 wizzle wrote > Could there maybe be a start page for each > month so I could go forward with Dr. J??? He is confusing enough!!!! > Love those mad scientists!! Thanks There is an up arrow going to the index. I usually post a link to the latest and to the index. http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/FotN/FotNindx.html Jay - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shauna Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Long calculation times... Date: 01 Apr 1998 19:29:46 -1000 On 1 Apr 98 at 20:57, Genealogy1 wrote: > The point I'm trying to make is if FRACTINT were a Windows program and you > didn't mind leaving your computer turned on 24 hours a day (without monitor at > times), you could see time consuming images. If you wish to leave the fractint > minimized, you could bring up a 2nd copy of the program and even use it while > the 1st was working. > > This may be another strong point for making FRACTINT a Windows program. Not needed. I can already do that with DOS Fractint under OS/2. You should be able to do the same thing under NT. I don't know about W95. Another blast of bits from David Visit our not-so-boring web page: http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/ Visit the Hawaii Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net Random Thought for this Nanosecond A clean desk is a sign of a cluttered desk drawer. - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: Re: (fractint) Long calculation times... Date: 02 Apr 1998 01:06:49 -0500 You can do it, but you hafta save all your images in disk-vid, which can really be a pain, especially if you have a bunch you want done at once. I like to do mine in disk-vid while I'm working, but at night, I'd rather have regular video so I can see the progress, since I wouldn't bee using it for anything else. Problem is, fractint wont let you change that during a batch run, it'll render it in the mode it was last saved in. Pete /* begin reply Not needed. I can already do that with DOS Fractint under OS/2. You should be able to do the same thing under NT. I don't know about W95. end reply */ - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) Missing person? Date: 02 Apr 1998 03:02:18 -0500 >> Obviously the first is a shortcut key, the second an arbitrary name = >> string, and the 4f02, 11C, 1600, 1200, and 256 have obvious = >> correspondences to the vesa2cfg output. Right. >> But where the bleeding hell do you get the two zeros, the 28, and >> "OK:=3D" from? With that additional information anyone can fix up >> their fractint.cfg... All the fractint.cfg have these two zeros. For the 28, read the fracti= nt doc. "OK:=3D" is a comment. >> > I can email vesa2cfg.zip to anyone interested, just ask. >> >> Even better would be to simply post the URL... Vesa2cfg is provided by Oliver Fromme, the author of the DOS viewer QPV= , with his shareware but it is not available separately. The small zip fil= e (9K) just includes the executable and the doc. - Sylvie - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jiho Kim Subject: (fractint) Arbitrary Precision ^(-1) Date: 02 Apr 1998 01:42:34 -0800 (PST) To those who know the workings of Fractint, I'm aware that there is a limit to zoom in in Fractint, although practically unreachable. 1600 digits, right? Well, is there such a provision made for zooming out? I mean, can you have a windows that has one corner at [10^1500 + 10^1500 i] and the opposite one at the origin? Wave2 { ; Public Domain ; By Jiho Kim on April 1, 1998 ; kimjd@plu.edu reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=log passes=1 center-mag=0/0/3.05176e-005/1.333333/90 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=2147483647 bailout=6 bailoutest=real inside=maxiter potential=255/255/0 colors=00000e0e00eee00e0eee0eee00L00z0eL0eze0Le0zeeLeez0L00Le0z00zeeL0eL\ eez0eze0LL0Lz0zL0zzeLLeLzezLezzL00L0eLe0Leez00z0eze0zeeL0LL0zLeLLezz0Lz0\ zzeLzezLL0LLeLz0LzezL0zLezz0zzeLLLLLzLzLLzzzLLzLzzzLzzzazz<9>izzjzzkzzkz\ zlyzlyy<5>pxxpwxqwxrvxrvw<2>tuwttvutvusuvsu<2>vpswpsworworxnq<4>zlozknzj\ mzilzik<2>zgjzfizehzdgzdg<12>yUYxUXxTWwSVwSV<13>qHKpGJpFIpFIoEHnEG<7>jAC\ i9Bh8Ag79f79<3>d57c57b46a46a35<3>Y23X23W13V13U12<4>Q01Q00P00P00O00<4>L00\ K00J10I10I10<3>E10E10D10D10C21<10>664564575575<7>1B91CA1DA1EB1EC<2>1GD1H\ E1IF1JG1JG<12>0TQ } (Sorry about the long color, but I wasn't sure if you'll see the same thing I see if I erased it.) This is the par of the fractal with which I wanted to zoom out more than Fractint would let me. The limit is 2^15 and I suppose that's natural, but, can it be extended to 2^(arbitrarily large number)? I was wondering about the possibility of self-similiarity out into infinity. Can one zoom out forever and find similarities to the original? Does it exist? (I'm not sure if I've found one, since I can't zoom out anymore and my fractal math is atrociously primative.) I've never heard of it even considered, probably because the Mandelbrot set is limited to a certain distance from the origin and the its self-similiarities tend to the infinitisimal. I'm not sure if there has been any research done into these types of fractals (if they really exist). But, I can't think of any reason why there couldn't be such fractals. If this is a path that has already been trod, please excuse my ignorance, but if it's a new idea, what does everyone think? I'm not even close to being qualified to comment on the programming side of this issue, so would appreciate any feedback on the possibility of extending the range of Fractint's zooming capabilities. Regards, Jiho Kim ========================= kimjd@plu.edu http://www.plu.edu/~kimjd - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kathy roth Subject: re: (fractint) Paul Derbyshire's nuclear pars Date: 02 Apr 1998 01:49:05 -0800 James R Mackenzie wrote: > I've crashed my system twice already trying to >copy/paste your megapost to a notepad text file. >I tried Wordperfect too. No dice. <8-( Try downloading Programmer's File Editor- it's free, simple to use, works great. I think this is the URL http://www.lancs.ac.uk/people/cpaap/pfe/ - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) Copywright and common sense Date: 02 Apr 1998 05:45:07 -0500 At 04:26 PM 4/1/98 PST, you wrote: Greetings: >With a name like that, I suggest you verify with them that they don't >specialize in something other than fractals first... Kinko's is an all purpose copy shop, specializing in nothing. This is not to say what they would do re: fractal poster would not be acceptable. >What the... is this company specializingin posters for weight lifters? 20lb bond is the standard for normal usage paper. Wizzle mentions 22lb and 36lb; 24lb is usually considered the finer paper in different types, such as vellum, text, linen, laid, etc. The "pound" is the weight of the paper per unit measurement which depends on precut size, kind, qty. A ream is 500 sheets. It is possible to obtain, e.g.: a case of 23 x 35 60lb offset vellum which weighs less than a case of 50lb 23 x 35 50lb text (of sorts), or, better example, a case of 1200 sheets of 23 x 35 70 felt text weighing less than a case 750 sheets of 23 x 35 65lb felt cover stock. BTW, in spare time I run a printing press.... :) Sorry for off topic.. davides@pipeline.com Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com Subject: Re: (fractint) March '98 par collection Date: 02 Apr 1998 09:55:03 -0500 Les St. Clair wrote: >> Wow! what a bumper par month! >> I have just place the collected pars for March on my fractal web site at: >> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/ Les, Thank you very much for collecting these and making them available on your web site. It is much appreciated! Nick - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com Subject: (fractint) Paper weights Date: 02 Apr 1998 10:30:28 -0500 Paul Derbyshire wrote: >>> What the... is this company specializingin posters for weight lifters? I haven't met a piece of paper that weighed more than 5 grams, sopping wet, unless it was unbelievably huge (butcher-wrap rolled for half a klick across a schoolyard being drawn on by kids, etc...) Have you got your measuring units right? 20lb is about 40kg, or about half the amount your computer monitor weighs! (Unless you have a really huge one or a laptop.) <<< See the following URL for an explanation of the rather confusing subject of paper weights: Also, Kinko's is a large, well known chain here in the U.S. Nick nick.grasso@hrads.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Felix Subject: Re: (fractint) Missing person? Date: 02 Apr 1998 10:34:51 -0600 Peter Jakubowicz wrote: > ... w/ my new video card, Diamond Fire GL 1000 Pro, i am only able to run > Fractint at 640x480 and at 1600x1200 disk ram mode. Peter- Please post if you have success with the various VESA solutions from this list. I am about to buy the same card and would like to know of any VESA difficulties before purchasing. (It should work just fine, but the idea of fractint in 640x480 is frightening...)thanks -Andrew -- | Andrew Duhan | Cereal is g00d | | aduhan@ttu.edu | ICQ 10363110 | | http://chimera.acs.ttu.edu/~aduhan/ | - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Felix Subject: Re: (fractint) Long calculation times... Date: 02 Apr 1998 10:47:18 -0600 Shauna Jones wrote: > Not needed. I can already do that with DOS Fractint under > OS/2. You should be able to do the same thing under NT. I > don't know about W95. Don't forget Xfractint - running in the *original* multitasking environment... In win95 you can run (dos)fractint in the background and it will generate fractals, but fractint can't handle switching video modes like that and when you go to view the image it'll be screwy. --Andrew -- | Andrew Duhan | Cereal is g00d | | aduhan@ttu.edu | ICQ 10363110 | | http://chimera.acs.ttu.edu/~aduhan/ | - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Valero Subject: (fractint) Male vs Female? Date: 02 Apr 1998 11:50:26 -0500 At 04:26 PM 01/04/98 PST, Paul Derbyshire wrote: >Sylvie Gallet wrote: >> Yes, I'm female. > >Suspected as much from the style of your work. Besides I've never ever >ever seen a male named Sylvie or Sylvia. Sylvain seems to be the male >version. They all come from the root Sylv meaning "of the woods"... Okay- I'll bite. Within the context of fractal/algorithmic art what distinguishes the style of a female from that of a male? And would the work of a "gay" fractal artist look different yet again? Personally, I can never tell the sex of the artist by viewing their work (some days I'm so confused, I even have to check myself while in the shower!) Margaret and I both play with fractals and sometimes we have to check the image notation files because we can't remember who did what- never mind the ones upon which we collaborate. I can see final production influenced by temperment, mood, intellectual stance, talent, experience or peer pressure but by sex? I'd be quite interested in how you perceive the fractal image differences produced by the sexes. Anyone else notice these differences? Regards - Jack visit our fractal gallery: http://www.globalserve.net/~jval/phractal.html - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: skydyes@juno.com Subject: (fractint) Wizmaps.par Date: 02 Apr 1998 12:28:38 EST Hi all; Thanks Wizzle, for the colormaps you posted. I had no trouble reading .maps in the .par format. My first time too. The only slight inconvenience is that you can't access them from the editor that way, but that's no big deal. Great to see a preview of what you're collecting! This is going to be exciting. One slight problem with a few of them: Linda12 and Gallet01,09,10 got to me with the 0'th register set white instead of black, so that the whole boundary of my screen shows up white. Annoying. Easy for me to fix in the editor, but I don't think it's a good idea to include maps in fractint that have that property. Perhaps something got screwed up in transit, and that's not how they were supposed to be? I know it is somewhat videocard dependent, but with mine I get really annoying white lines running diagonally through the screen with thoxse maps, as well as the white border. I always make a point never to edit the 0'th register of a .map, but always keep it black. Hmmmm.... Jonathan Wolfe, Ph.D SkyDyes 2917 Campus Blvd. NE Albuquerque, NM 87106 (505)-266-1468 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nhan H Nguyen Subject: Re: (fractint) Arbitrary Precision ^(-1) Date: 02 Apr 1998 12:45:56 -0600 (CST) Jiho Kim, there is a way to zoom out. when you have your pic press "z" to go to the parameter menu where you input numbers. Next, press f6 to enter another menu, which I forgot the name of. You can edit the centering and zoom factors and other things. Zoom will be called magnification I believe. enter in a number less than 1 to zoom out, such as .5 for half or .25 for a fourth.....etc. Hope tha helps. -Lav - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: skydyes@juno.com Subject: (fractint) Waaaay DEEEEEEEEEP Date: 02 Apr 1998 12:28:38 EST Well, YES, there is a lot of interest in deep zooming, at least by some of us. Unfortunately, my computer is too slow to let me do the really deep ones, but I'd like to post a couple of fractals done by my good friend, also named Jonathan. The structure in these fractals is miraculous. Take the time to crank them out, if you want to see something splendid. My UNM web server's down now, but when it's back up I'll post the images to my web site. Let me know what you think, if you bother to compute them - I think they're some of the most incredible things I've ever seen. And he's still going, this friend of mine. The last one I saw was at 10^178! I'll post more sometime if I sense the interest. Note to Angela: could you please snarf up these colormaps for consideration in the collection? Thanks. Note to Tim: YES! We love arbitrary precision, and would LOVE to see what happens with SOI. It just might revolutionize deepzooming. (Then you might have to do something about that annoying 10^1600 limit :)... Jonathan Wolfe, Ph.D SkyDyes 2917 Campus Blvd. NE Albuquerque, NM 87106 (505)-266-1468 vlernfa { ; by Jonathan Leavitt, 1998 ; ~50 hours at 233 MHz ; 10^93 deep ; mapname is girustic reset=1910 type=mandel center-mag=-1.7498797637233036250531541288085660873308706813150940739022\ 160997776415279220633903858035532704437/3.711275390023365538060136900393\ 27923739521658716180513365112109254521643684694157319e-15/1.676666e+093/\ 1/-115 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=11111 inside=0 colors=000GGJ<8>LLOLLPMMQNNRNOS<39>dpxdqyerzfsz<26>yyzzzzzzyzzy<45>zzczz\ czzczycyxb<47>eHLeGLdGLcGK<31>211000000<32>GGJ } hournozo { ; by Jonathan Leavitt, 1998 ; ~34 hours at 233 MHz ; 10^76 deep ; mapname is verica reset=1910 type=mandel center-mag=-1.7494731962100301093025521422405488627568109828713567987988\ 6197663174423971559038/4.65032129863512237555970979220949188044571977348\ 3014616191461119829263616e-9/8.944236e+075/1/-97.499 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=6666 inside=0 colors=000hkm<22>zzhzzhzyh<21>uieuhetgdtfdsfdred<36>WPbVObVObVOb<61>65E5\ 4D54D43C43B<9>116115004003002000000000<13>00M00O00O<57>dgmehmehmfimgimhj\ m } _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) Male vs Female? Date: 02 Apr 1998 15:34:43 -0500 Hi Jack, >> Personally, I can never tell the sex of the artist by viewing their >> work Ditto for me. Bot sexes are capable of making great images or on the contrary ugly ones. I can give some names ..... - Sylvie - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob Fargher" Subject: (fractint) Re: fractint-digest V1 #152 Date: 02 Apr 1998 17:31:08 +0700 On Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:35:35 -0700, fractint-digest wrote: Bob Carr--(Ocala, FL) said: >>This may be another strong point for making FRACTINT a Windows program. causing >Wizzle to say: >I tried to say the same thing in different words some time ago. I think it >is more important to bring Fractint into the multi-tasking environment than >anything, especially since many of us are moving to NT. I would really regret seeing Fractint move away from its current generic base. I run OS/2 and multi-task Fractint wonderfully in the background. Bob, making Fractint a Win app would bloat it and increase its platform specificity, neither being desirable outcomes IMHO. Wizzle, if Fractint ever becomes solely a Win32 app, I will fly my flag at half-mast. However, if someone was to port the DOS code to Win32 and produce an NT specific version, that would be excellent. I harbour a secret hope that when DOS dies, Fractint moves to Linux as its primary platform! :-) Cheers, Rob - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Jakubowicz Subject: (fractint) Hardware Problems Date: 02 Apr 1998 17:43:45 -0500 Hi, Sorry, I deleted yr message asking about Fractint and my new graphics card, Andrew, who says cereal is gOOd, I can't remember the last name. This is my problem: Windows programs run swimmingly (e.g., JuliaSaver really rocks), DOS ones do not either in DOS or in under Win95. When I ran the diagnostics program that Sylvie Gallet kindly sent to me, it reported the best I cld do w/ DOS programs is 640x480x256, and that seems to be correct. I don't know how to fix this, but I wld like to very much, as I quite like Fractint. Has anyone had much experience w/ that SciTech Screen Doctor thing (it comes w/ that DOS utility called UniVBE, but I can't make it do whatever it is supposed to do)? It comes in a trial version, and it has interesting effects on yr monitor, when like me, you don't know what you are doing. What I want to do is run Fractint under Win95 at high rez (so I can finally see some of Sylvie Gallet's images in all their glory, among other things :)) I suppose it must be possible. Does anyone know how to do this with Screen Doctor, and also what happens when the trial runs out -- am I then back where I started; the thing costs $50. Sorry, about the long message, but I am very unhappy about not being able to run Fractint on my new computer :( Also, just to give you an idea of my graphics know-how: when someone says you need a new driver, I really don't know that means. The card comes w/ a CD that installs Windows drivers; I see nothing about DOS. Any advice from a guru wld be really appreciated (pls send to me personally). thank you - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: Re: (fractint) Male vs Female? Date: 02 Apr 1998 17:58:16 -0500 I agree that far as fractals go, because of their tendency to transcend any differences between drawers/authors/artists, you really can't tell; however, there are subtle differences in the way female and male (normal paint and pencil) artists' works come out. I find that female artists have more feeling in their work, but male artists have more shallow meanings. Men tend to show symbolism via many different events, ideas, and objects, but women focus on one thing, and find deeper meaning in that object/idea. There is a biological basis for this as well. Women have been shown to produce a hormone that subconsciously and biologically attaches them to their mate, but men are more into the "wham, bam, thank you ma'am" method :) I mean, they have a biological tendency to move from mate to mate, probably evolved in order to increase the chance of our race's continuation. (I really don't think that factor is really needed anymore, though.. :) ) |Okay- I'll bite. Within the context of fractal/algorithmic art what |distinguishes the style of a female from that of a male? And would |the work of a "gay" fractal artist look different yet again? - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Girvan Subject: Re: (fractint) Male vs Female? Date: 03 Apr 1998 01:18:53 +0100 Jack Valero writes: > Within the context of fractal/algorithmic art what distinguishes the > style of a female from that of a male? > ... > I can see final production influenced by temperment, mood, intellectual > stance, talent, experience or peer pressure but by sex? Clare (i.e. Mrs Girvan) says my fractals have a "male" flavour, as I tend to like Gigeresque biomorphs and gloomy metallic/sepia palettes. But I think that being a nasty miserable person has more to do with this than my sex. :) Ray ray.girvan@zetnet.co.uk +++ Technical Author +++ Topsham, Devon, UK http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/rgirvan/ +++ The Apothecary's Drawer - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: (fractint) A new formula Date: 02 Apr 1998 18:41:50 -0600 (CST) comment { The equation in this formula has no special significance, but it produces some pretty nice images. All of the pars below are for Julia sets, but this formula can also produce Mset zooms by setting imag(p1) to zero. The Mset of this equation has an infinite number of baby 'Brots in it. To Mike Traynor: permission granted. Paul Carlson } frm:Eqn_5 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 ; Always use float=y, outside=summ ; ; real(p1) = escape circle radius squared ; imag(p1) = 0 if Mset, non-zero if Julia set ; p2 = Julia set coordinates ; real(p3) = number of color ranges ; imag(p3) = number of colors in a range ; z = iter = range_num = bailout = 0 IF (imag(p1) != 0) w = pixel c = p2 ELSE w = 0 c = pixel ENDIF prev_modw2 = 1.0e20 rad2 = real(p1) num_ranges = real(p3) colors_in_range = imag(p3) colors_in_range_1 = colors_in_range - 1 : w2 = w * w w = c * (1 - w2) / (1 + w2) ; IF ((prev_modw2 < rad2) * (|w| > rad2)) bailout = 1 index = colors_in_range_1 * (rad2 - prev_modw2) / rad2 z = index + range_num * colors_in_range + 1 ENDIF prev_modw2 = |w| range_num = range_num + 1 IF (range_num == num_ranges) range_num = 0 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter bailout == 0 } eqn5j01 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=eqn5.frm formulaname=Eqn_5 passes=1 center-mag=0/0/0.6666667 params=1/1/1/0/8/30 float=y maxiter=252 inside=253 outside=summ colors=0000CC<15>0zz<12>0CC00O<14>FFwGGzFFw<11>00OSA`<14>e\ NxfOzeNw<10>K2OO08<15>z0f<12>R0BO08O00<15>z88<11>R11c40<14\ >vS0xU0wT0<12>c40aG0<14>xw0zz0yw0<11>aG00C4<15>0zR<12>0C40\ 00<13>000 } eqn5j02 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=eqn5.frm formulaname=Eqn_5 passes=1 center-mag=0/0/0.6666667 params=4/1/2.45/0/8/30 float=y maxiter=252 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000c40<14>xU0zW0yU0<11>c40aG0<14>xw0zz0yw0<11>aG00C4\ <15>0zR<12>0C40CC<15>0zz<12>0CC00O<14>FFwGGzFFw<11>00OSA`<1\ 4>eNxfOzeNw<10>K2OO08<15>z0f<12>R0BO08O00<15>z88<12>O00000<\ 13>000 } eqn5j03 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=eqn5.frm formulaname=Eqn_5 passes=1 center-mag=-1.61755/0.889447/7.751938 params=0.5/1/2.5/0/8/30 float=y maxiter=252 inside=253 outside=summ colors=0000C4<15>0zR<12>0C40CC<15>0zz<12>0CC00O<14>FFwGGzFF\ w<11>00OSA`<14>eNxfOzeNw<10>K2OO08<15>z0f<12>R0BO08O00<15>z\ 88<11>R11c40<14>vS0xU0wT0<12>c40aG0<14>xw0zz0yw0<11>aG0000<\ 13>000 } eqn5j04 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=eqn5.frm formulaname=Eqn_5 passes=1 center-mag=0/0/0.6666667 params=2/1/2.45/0/8/30 float=y maxiter=252 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000O00<15>z88<12>O00c40<14>xU0zW0yU0<11>c40aG0<14>xw\ 0zz0yw0<11>aG00C4<15>0zR<12>0C40CC<15>0zz<12>0CC00O<14>FFwG\ GzFFw<11>00OSA`<14>eNxfOzeNw<11>I0KO08<15>z0f<12>O08000<12>\ 000O08 } eqn5j05 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=eqn5.frm formulaname=Eqn_5 passes=1 center-mag=-1.47233/0/0.8021475/1/90 params=2/1/3/0/8/30 float=y maxiter=252 inside=253 outside=summ colors=0000CC<15>0zz<12>0CC00O<14>FFwGGzFFw<11>00OSA`<14>eN\ xfOzeNw<10>K2OO08<15>z0f<12>R0BO08O00<15>z88<11>R11c40<14>v\ S0xU0wT0<12>c40aG0<14>xw0zz0yw0<11>aG00C4<15>0zR<12>0C4000<\ 13>000 } eqn5j06 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=eqn5.frm formulaname=Eqn_5 passes=1 center-mag=-6.88338e-015/5.32907e-015/0.3868824 params=1/1/1/0.5/8/30 float=y maxiter=252 inside=253 outside=summ colors=0000CC<15>0zz<12>0CC00O<14>FFwGGzFFw<11>00OSA`<14>eN\ xfOzeNw<10>K2OO08<15>z0f<12>R0BO08O00<15>z88<11>R11c40<14>v\ S0xU0wT0<12>c40aG0<14>xw0zz0yw0<11>aG00C4<15>0zR<12>0C4000<\ 13>000 } eqn5j07 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=eqn5.frm formulaname=Eqn_5 passes=t center-mag=-6.88338e-015/5.32907e-015/0.3868824 params=1/1/1.8/0.5/8/30 float=y maxiter=300 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000O00<15>z88<12>O00c40<14>xU0zW0yU0<11>c40aG0<14>x\ w0zz0yw0<11>aG00C4<15>0zR<12>0C40CC<15>0zz<12>0CC00O<14>FF\ wGGzFFw<11>00OSA`<14>eNxfOzeNw<11>I0KO08<15>z0f<12>O08000<\ 12>000O08 } - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NOEL_GIFFIN Subject: (fractint) Re: Searchable fractint documentation on www Date: 02 Apr 1998 18:41:35 PST Hi everyone, Paul N. Lee, sent me some html code a while back to access the altavista search engine from the fractint webpages. I played around with it for a while and spent some more time adding document keywords via meta-tags within the fractint pages. It uses both keywords and document text as well as anchors and url's to produce a list of links from a simple search string. It still seems a little inconsistent and unpredictable with its searches, but I think it is still a useful tool. I've added the search form to the bottom of the fractint index page at: http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/findex.html Cheers, Noel Giffin - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: re: (fractint) Paul Derbyshire's nuclear pars Date: 02 Apr 1998 18:58:35 -0800 Or try WordPad which comes with Win95. Wordpad is a sort of larger version of Notepad. At 01:49 AM 4/2/98 -0800, you wrote: >James R Mackenzie wrote: >> I've crashed my system twice already trying to >>copy/paste your megapost to a notepad text file. >>I tried Wordperfect too. No dice. <8-( > > >Try downloading Programmer's File Editor- it's >free, simple to use, works great. I think this is the URL >http://www.lancs.ac.uk/people/cpaap/pfe/ > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) Male vs Female? Date: 02 Apr 1998 19:16:57 -0800 My observations about men/women fractals are as follows (obviously they are generalizations) 1. Women seem to go more for a "carved" and 3 dimensional image. Many men seem to be perfectly happy with a flatter image if the underlying math is interesting. 2. Guys seem to prefer more saturated color maps. I was discussing this issue off-list with skydye and we speculated that you might be able to see a difference by sex in the color maps submitted. I couldn't, but I do see more tints and tones in the pars posted by the ladies. Angela aka wizzle At 05:58 PM 4/2/98 -0500, you wrote: >I agree that far as fractals go, because of their tendency to transcend any >differences between drawers/authors/artists, you really can't tell; however, >there are subtle differences in the way female and male (normal paint and >pencil) artists' works come out. I find that female artists have more >feeling in their work, but male artists have more shallow meanings. Men >tend to show symbolism via many different events, ideas, and objects, but >women focus on one thing, and find deeper meaning in that object/idea. >There is a biological basis for this as well. Women have been shown to >produce a hormone that subconsciously and biologically attaches them to >their mate, but men are more into the "wham, bam, thank you ma'am" method :) >I mean, they have a biological tendency to move from mate to mate, probably >evolved in order to increase the chance of our race's continuation. (I >really don't think that factor is really needed anymore, though.. :) ) > >|Okay- I'll bite. Within the context of fractal/algorithmic art what >|distinguishes the style of a female from that of a male? And would >|the work of a "gay" fractal artist look different yet again? > > > >- >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lavondyss Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Searchable fractint documentation on www Date: 02 Apr 1998 21:32:55 -0600 NOEL_GIFFIN wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Paul N. Lee, sent me some html code a while back to access the altavista > search engine from the fractint webpages. I played around with it for > a while and spent some more time adding document keywords via meta-tags > within the fractint pages. It uses both keywords and document text > as well as anchors and url's to produce a list of links from a > simple search string. It still seems a little inconsistent and > unpredictable with its searches, but I think it is still a useful tool. > > I've added the search form to the bottom of the fractint index page at: > > http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/findex.html > thanx N.G. - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: Re: (fractint) The end of DOS is on the horizon Date: 02 Apr 1998 19:49:15 PST >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,20947,00.html >"Gates targets end of Windows 98" > - he describes that Win98 is the last DOS-based OS Hey! This URL is bogus, man. What gives? >3) Is there Fractint-engine work going on, akin to POV-RAYs? POV-Ray? Something's new in POV-land? -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: Re: (fractint) Male vs Female? Date: 02 Apr 1998 22:49:56 -0500 Me especially... I don't spend much time with colormaps, just the patterns in the images. I have one colormap I use for most of my images, and I change it when I bored with it. I do change it to make it look better, but only when the situation demands :) Pete > Many men seem to be perfectly happy with a flatter image if the underlying math is interesting. - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jiho Kim Subject: Re: (fractint) Arbitrary Precision ^(-1) Date: 02 Apr 1998 19:50:13 -0800 (PST) Now that I've tried, I can say for sure (almost) that Fractint doesn't like numbers above 2^15. If you put in a magnification less than 2^-15, it'll just change it to 2^-15 (about 3.052e-005). The par I posted last time is zoomed out to around this range (if not there already). Nhan, but thank you for telling me about the menu. It's a handy thing to know. Still querying, Jiho On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Nhan H Nguyen wrote: > Jiho Kim, > > there is a way to zoom out. when you have your pic press "z" to go to the > parameter menu where you input numbers. Next, press f6 to enter another > menu, which I forgot the name of. You can edit the centering and zoom > factors and other things. Zoom will be called magnification I believe. > enter in a number less than 1 to zoom out, such as .5 for half or .25 for > a fourth.....etc. Hope tha helps. > > -Lav > > > - > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: Re: (fractint) Paper and Windows Date: 02 Apr 1998 19:52:59 PST Oh, I see, you're weighing 500 sheets at once! Netcom is still spamming? Shame... -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: RE: (fractint) The end of DOS is on the Date: 02 Apr 1998 19:57:52 PST >the actual address is: > >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,20497,00.html Oh...thanks :-) -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: Re: (fractint) Paul Derbyshire's Nuclear pars Date: 02 Apr 1998 20:05:34 PST >Paul, > >Will you please send me your Nuclear "goodies" in a ZIP file, I've >crashed my system twice already trying to copy/paste your megapost to >a notepad text file. I tried Wordperfect too. No dice. <8-( Notepad blows chunks. (It came from Bill Gates, what do you expect?) Have you tried using PFE32? http://www.lancs.ac.uk/people/cpaap/pfe (hey! There's a new version... must download... ) If that still doesn't work, drop me a line and I'll send it as an attachment on private email. >I know this'll be a pain in the ass but I really do want them all and >this is "THE" only way I'm gonna be able to get them. Not if PFE32 works :) -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: Re: (fractint) Copywright and common sense Date: 02 Apr 1998 20:09:15 PST Lavondyss writes...and writes... andwrites... We, the jury, find the defendant guilty of over-quoting! :-) >Lavondyss is just a name just like Michael or George or Paul. What's >in a name anyways? It's a real name, not someort of handle? -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: Re: (fractint) Long calculation times... Date: 02 Apr 1998 20:23:45 PST >In win95 you can run (dos)fractint in the background and it will generate fractals, >but fractint can't handle switching video modes like that and when you go to view >the image it'll be screwy. Or it'll simply crash! :-) Say, why does Shauna sign off with "Another blast of bits from David"... or is it David signing on with "Shauna Jones"? -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: Re: (fractint) Male vs Female? Date: 02 Apr 1998 20:27:42 PST I dunno. It's mostly subconscious I guess. I get a vague impression women may pay more attention to color, and use softer color tones or earth tones more frequently and brighter colors and large contrasts less frequently... -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: Re: (fractint) Hardware Problems Date: 02 Apr 1998 20:41:50 PST Peter: The Date & Time control panel in W95 is your friend So are your autoexec.bat and "date.com". -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: (fractint) Contest images webpage Date: 02 Apr 1998 20:53:05 PST http://www.fractalus.com/contest/contest.htm There are more broken images than working ones on this page... what gives? I get a broken image icon for each of the following: alxndr3.gif, akelley2.gif, cindym2.gif, david_2.gif, david_3.gif, dmj-01.gif, dmj-02.gif, dmj-03.gif, dsigner1.gif, dsinger2.gif, dsinger3.gif, dlo190c.gif, dl0190d.gif, dl0190g.gif, emartin1.gif, emartin2.gif, emartin.gif, ericm_1.gif, ericm_2.gif, ericm_3.gif, estherh1.gif, estherh2.gif, estherh3.gif, geoffs2.gif, geoffs3.gif, gedeon1.gif, gedeon2.gif, gedeon3.gif,gmarson1.gif, gmarson2.gif, gmarson3.gif, graphic1.gif, graphic2.gif, graphic3.gif, jacco1.gif, jacco2.gof, jacco3.gif, jayhill1.gif, jayhill2.gif, jayhill3.gif, jimmuth1.gif, jimmuth2.gif, jimmuth3.gif, joliver1.gif, joliver2.gif, joliver3.gif, roema_1.gif, roema_2.gif, roema_3.gif, joyce1.gif, joyce2.gif, joyce3.gif, jjf_1.gif, jjf_2.gif, jjf_3.gif, justin1.gif, justin2.gif, justin3.gif, k_moe_1.gif, k_moe_2.gif, k_moe_3.gif, kmitchl1.gif, kmitchl2.gif, kmitchl3.gif, kolasa1.gif, kolasa2.gif, kolasa3.gif, lindaa01.gif, lindaa02.gif, lindaa03.gif, malliso1.gif, malliso2.gif, malliso3.gif, miket-1.gif, miket-2.gif, miket-3.gif, mlnewst1.gif, mlnewst2.gif, mlnewst3.gif, msager_1.gif, msager_2.gif, msager_3.gif, mvalero1.gif, mvalero2.gif, mvalero3.gif, pkloeg1.gif, pkloeg2.gif, pkloeg3.gif, paullee1.gif, paullee2.gif, paullee3.gif, peter_1.gif, peter_2.gif, peter_3.gif, preslar1.gif, preslar2.gif, preslar3.gif (the winners!!), rbarnet1.gif, rbarnet2.gif, rbarnet3.gif, rttyman1.gif, rttyman2.gif, rttyman3.gif, sgallet1.gif, sgallet2.gif, sgallet3.gif, skinner1.gif, skinner2.gif, skinner3.gif, stclair1.gif, stclair2.gif, stclair3.gif, trmoe-1.gif, trmoe-2.gif, trmoe-3.gif, ton_k1.gif, ton_k2.gif, ton_k3.gif, valero_1.gif, valero_2.gif, valero_3.gif, vrch78b1.gif, vrch78b2.gif, and vrch78b3.gif. -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest images webpage Date: 02 Apr 1998 21:52:06 -0800 Paul wrote >There are more broken images than working ones on this page... what gives? They are all there try later Jay - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carolyn Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest images webpage Date: 03 Apr 1998 00:10:23 -0600 I got them all. -- Carolyn car34slmo@worldnet.att.net Jesus is the Light of the world, the Bread of life and the Salvation of your soul. - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: (fractint) Missing fomula file Date: 03 Apr 1998 01:36:54 -0500 (EST) Where the ^@#! is les_pars.frm? -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca pgd73@hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Searchable fractint documentation on www Date: 03 Apr 1998 02:46:27 -0500 (EST) Neat! Will check it out... -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | pgd73@hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shauna Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: fractint-digest V1 #152 Date: 02 Apr 1998 21:54:44 -1000 On 2 Apr 98 at 17:31, Rob Fargher wrote: > I harbour a secret hope that when DOS dies, Fractint moves to Linux as > its primary platform! :-) And include support for massively-parallel computers. Finally have a use for those otherwise-dog slow NT SMP systems ... Another blast of bits from David Visit our not-so-boring web page: http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/ Visit the Hawaii Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net Random Thought for this Nanosecond 'PENTIUM' gets teeth their whitest!!! - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shauna Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Missing person? Date: 02 Apr 1998 21:54:43 -1000 On 2 Apr 98 at 3:02, Sylvie Gallet wrote: > Vesa2cfg is provided by Oliver Fromme, the author of the DOS viewer QPV, > with his shareware but it is not available separately. The small zip file > (9K) just includes the executable and the doc. Really? I found it listed at a couple of archive sites using www.filez.com. Same program, I guess: when I ran it in a DOS box, it produced a QPV.CFG file ... Another blast of bits from David Visit our not-so-boring web page: http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/ Visit the Hawaii Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net Random Thought for this Nanosecond Just eat around the tire tracks, Dear. - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shauna Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Long calculation times... Date: 02 Apr 1998 21:54:43 -1000 On 2 Apr 98 at 10:47, Felix wrote: > Don't forget Xfractint - running in the *original* > multitasking environment... Sorry - UNIX was a derivative of earlier mainframe-based multitasking OSes. Multics is a name that comes to mind, but I'm sure someone who knows computer history better than I do will chime in to correct me! > In win95 you can run (dos)fractint in the background > and it will generate fractals, but fractint can't > handle switching video modes like that and when you go > to view the image it'll be screwy. I *can* switch back and forth between Fractint at any resolution and my OS/2 desktop at 1024x768x^%K colors. Under W95, I can't *view* fractals in Fractint; if I let it run in full-screen mode at 1024x768x256, then blip to a text screen to change something, the Fractint graphics screen and the W95 desktop corrupt each other. Despite textsafe or whatever command line options I use. (I understand it's due to the display drivers ... ) For any other OS/2 users out there, there's a native OS/2 version of Fractint (about v18.x, I think). Not bad, but DOS Fractint works fine for me and has more capabilities. Another blast of bits from David Visit our not-so-boring web page: http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/ Visit the Hawaii Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net Random Thought for this Nanosecond Children take all the fun out of wife. - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest images webpage Date: 03 Apr 1998 02:58:41 -0500 (EST) >Paul wrote >>There are more broken images than working ones on this page... what >gives? > >They are all there try later > >Jay Eh? Not according to what I saw.... and what good will trying later do? If it can't find the file it can't find the file. Computers aren't like human beings, that may forget about a file and later remember it! -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | pgd73@hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shauna Jones" Subject: re: (fractint) Paul Derbyshire's nuclear pars Date: 02 Apr 1998 22:12:44 -1000 On 2 Apr 98 at 18:58, Wizzle wrote: > Or try WordPad which comes with Win95. Wordpad is a > sort of larger version of Notepad. I like a Windows freeware text editor named Prolix. v2.1 is fast, can open up to 9 files (16MB/file max in W31 or "available memory/swap space" in W95). And, delightfully enough, it fits on a fraction of a floppy disk ... Available at http://www.kobayashi.com/maru/ Another blast of bits from David Visit our not-so-boring web page: http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/ Visit the Hawaii Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net Random Thought for this Nanosecond Now if only I knew what I was talking about..... - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shauna Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Long calculation times... Date: 02 Apr 1998 22:12:43 -1000 On 2 Apr 98 at 20:23, Paul Derbyshire wrote: > Say, why does Shauna sign off with "Another blast of bits from David"... > or is it David signing on with "Shauna Jones"? David and Shauna share an email account at home. I (David) clutter up the system with fractals (8MB and counting!) and other graphic stuffs, OS/2 stuffs, JAVA developer's kit, music stuffs, stuff about encryption, 118MB of downloaded freeware/shareware files I want to try out, and 28MB worth of fiction manuscripts. Shauna writes books (mostly in the Celtic and mystery fields), uses the net for useful stuff like research, and clutters the system up with W95 . She's not a fractaler, anyway, although she thinks a number of them are beautiful (our OS/2 desktop wallpaper is currently a fractal image I did a few years ago). Our mail client lets us have up to nine different signatures, along with built-in random quoting (remind me, I need to add some more quotes!), so God knows what might come out on this one ... Another blast of bits from David Visit our not-so-boring web page: http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/ Visit the Hawaii Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net Random Thought for this Nanosecond I'm not confused, I'm just well-mixed. - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest images webpage Date: 03 Apr 1998 00:19:11 -0800 Paul writes, Re http://www.fractalus.com/contest/ I just looked again this time from home. The images are there. Sometimes the net is slow and you never get the complete dump. Jay > From: Paul Derbyshire > >Paul wrote > >>There are more broken images than working ones on this page... what > >gives? > > > >They are all there try later > > > >Jay > > Eh? Not according to what I saw.... and what good will trying later do? If > it can't find the file it can't find the file. Computers aren't like human > beings, that may forget about a file and later remember it! - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest images webpage Date: 03 Apr 1998 04:00:23 -0500 (EST) >I just looked again this time from home. The images are there. >Sometimes the net is slow and you never get the complete >dump. It wasn't slow. The images were *missing*. As in, it doesn't just sit spinning its wheels, or show an image not yet retrieved icon. It showed a missing image icon; the little red X using Internet Expoder. (And no, I didn't interrupt the downloads using the browser stop button. Obviously that could cause such a thing.) Are some of the images available only at certain times? Or were they missing and then put back, since you say they're there now... -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | pgd73@hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest images webpage Date: 03 Apr 1998 01:34:32 -0800 Hi Paul, Re http://www.fractalus.com/contest/ > It showed a > missing image icon; the little red X using Internet Expoder. I have reproduced your problem (maybe). It maybe Internet Exposure. Then again maybe not. Here is what I did, I ran Internet Explosion and saw about half of the red x thingies. Then I put the address into one of the two Netscapes I had running and got 1/4 through the image collection. The rest were empty. Then I got an out of memory error and something about an Internet connection error from Netscape. Now note IE did not indicate a problem with memory and my disk space watcher showed 98Meg left (oh my I'm almost out!). So I closed down two Netscapes an editor (PFE with who knows how many MBytes there) the email reader, a meg of wall paper, jpeg editor a disk space watcher, Panorama and .... Then I tried Internet Explainer. Still no luck. Then I closed it all down, restarted Win95. Relogged on, brought up IE and email. Clicked the address and it all loaded fine. All the images. Now I have 127Meg. May your luck be as good. Jay - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: (fractint) Missing contest images Date: 03 Apr 1998 01:58:59 PST All the images past (and including) jimmuth2.gif are still missing, but all the missing ones from before that point are now there. Strangely, when I clicked reload, jimmuth2 and jimmuth3 appeared. What the heck is going on? Are you online right now putting the images back, or is this some flakiness with your web server? -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James R. McKenzie" Subject: (fractint) How many Par's Frm's Map's Etc. can FRACTINT find in... Date: 03 Apr 1998 03:34:34 -0800 (PST) How many Par's Frm's Map's Etc. can FRACTINT find in a directory? I have over 500 Par's and It Won't load all of them, I had to create a second Par directory and start moving some of the little buggers into it. Mind you I save the postings to the list as files based on the date I receive them Example (04031998.par) until Les posts them on his site the following month then I delete them and use his mega posts for Par's and Frm's. I have more Par's than anything else but still I'm gettin' close to super-critical on the Frm's and Map's too. Any suggestions on what to do short of erasing files/stuff? BTW Does anyone compile Monthly Par/Frm submissions for the FRACTAL ART list? I can never Jim Muth's posts to run on my machine and I keep see raves about the output. I've had trouble with some of the others but I always have trouble with his. Don't have the foggiest idea why, but it's danged annoying to be in the out like that. Well I've asked 2 questions and maybe I'll even understand the answers just a little (if the answers are armpit deep in programmerese or math-speak that is) I guess it's time to slip back into the lurk-mode position again. T H A N K Y O U James R. McKenzie WHOOKAM88@YAHOO.COM _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest images webpage Date: 03 Apr 1998 03:39:02 PST You think it's an Internet Exploder bug?? Why would any web browser cough up a broken image icon for an image that's there? -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: re: (fractint) Text editors and Fractint - was: Paul Date: 04 Apr 1998 00:10:28 +1200 At 22:12 02/04/98 -1000, Shauna Jones wrote: >On 2 Apr 98 at 18:58, Wizzle wrote: > >> Or try WordPad which comes with Win95. Wordpad is a >> sort of larger version of Notepad. >> ...a word processor for people who don't want to process words. > >I like a Windows freeware text editor named Prolix. v2.1 >is fast, can open up to 9 files (16MB/file max in W31 or >"available memory/swap space" in W95). And, delightfully >enough, it fits on a fraction of a floppy disk ... >Available at http://www.kobayashi.com/maru/ > That's two areas where PFE is superior: no such limit on the number of simultaneously open files (according to PFE's dox, "the number being limited only by the available system resources"); and no such limit on the size of each file ("limited only by the total amount of virtual memory available"). AND it fits on a single floppy - with all its documentation and help files - uncompressed. AND it's freeware. The only annoying lack (I feel) is that it doesn't have search-and-replace on regular expressions... (unsigned) Morgan Programmer's File Editor: emacs for Windows? - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James R. McKenzie" Subject: (fractint) Paul Derbyshire's nuclear pars Date: 03 Apr 1998 05:18:20 -0800 (PST) OK, I started it so I'll try to clear this thing up. I was refering to the copy/paste method of moving just the fractal stuff from the piece of e-mail to a "permanent" file on my HDD. that is sergically cut out just the PAR or FRM or MAP and putting it into a text file for use in FRACTINT. Paul's Mega post wouldn't ALL fit into memory (I only have 16 meg of EDO) and so when I tried to copy/paste to a notepad file I kept getting error messages and/or crashes. BTW I did grab PFE, I like it, I like it, I like it. Who says reiteration is redundant? 8-) BTW I grabbed it from the UK home site so it took a little while, but it was worth the wait. Anyways Maybe it'll work better for me than notepad or wordpad. It hopefully can't be worse. T H A N K Y O U James R. McKenzie WHOOKAM88@YAHOO.COM _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: Re: (fractint) Text editors and Fractint Date: 03 Apr 1998 09:36:24 -0500 An excellent text editor is Notepad+ designed to replace the standard Windows version. Allows setting of preferences to show and automatically save with Fractint extensions .frm, .par, and .map. Has a handy toolbar and a drop down list of up to 16 recently used filenames in the file menu. 20MB file size limit, and opening of several files at once is also allowed. It also has search and replace functions. Easily fits on a floppy too. And it is freeware. Available at http://www.winmag.com/win95/software.htm Gedeon - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Genealogy1 Subject: (fractint) Julia trimmed Mandel.... Date: 03 Apr 1998 11:08:42 EST I thought this "trimmed" image was interesting. --Bob Carr--(Ocala, FL USA) Carr3395 { ; Julia trimmed Mandel. Cool !!!!! reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=43hCarr.frm formulaname=Carr3395 passes=1 center-mag=0.0010622/-0.00698142/0.7950156 params=200/300/400/550 float=y maxiter=647 periodicity=0 colors=000A96<7>110000000<14>xUF<14>000000000<14>zoU<15>000000<14>hMF<15\ >000000000<13>vvz<15>000000<14>oP0<15>000000<14>zfF<15>000000000<13>kki<\ 15>000000<12>IFAJGBIFA<4>CA7 } frm:Carr3395(YAXIS){;Modified Sylvie Gallet frm.1996 ;passes=1 needs to be used with this PHC formula pixel=-abs(real(pixel))+flip(imag(pixel)) b5=flip(abs(conj(conj(pixel))*cabs(flip(pixel/2))-0.4)-0.55) b4=(-0.7186,-0.132)/2 c=whitesq*b4-(whitesq==0)*b4 z=whitesq*b5^0.7456-(whitesq==0)*b5 c1=1.5*z^1.2,c2=2.25*z,c3=3.375*z,c4=5.0625*z l1=real(p1),l2=imag(p1),l3=real(p2),l4=imag(p2) bailout=16,iter=0: t1=(iter==l1),t2=(iter==l2),t3=(iter==l3),t4=(iter==l4) t=1-(t1||t2||t3||t4),z=z*t,c=c*t+c1*t1+c2*t2+c3*t3+c4*t4 z=z^2+c iter=iter+1 (conj(|z|))<=bailout } - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: re: (fractint) text editors Date: 03 Apr 1998 10:34:35 -0600 David, - > Or try WordPad which comes with Win95. Wordpad is a - > sort of larger version of Notepad. - - I like a Windows freeware text editor named Prolix. v2.1 Personally, I used TextPad (http://www.textpad.com) and have for some time. I use it for FractInt FRMs, HTML files, all kinds of stuff... The nice thing about text editors is, there are enough of them out there that folks can find one they like, and use it. Which is "best" is a matter of personal preference, because almost all of them do the basic job--let you edit plain text files. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest images webpage Date: 03 Apr 1998 10:41:14 -0600 Paul, - http://www.fractalus.com/contest/contest.htm - - There are more broken images than working ones on this page... what - gives? What gives is that certain browsers (IE especially) will puke on pages with lots of images, and think that they can't get some or even most of the images. I get this from time to time. I assure you the pictures are all there. You can either refresh the page to have it grab more images, or right-click each image you want to view and choose "Show Picture". As I said, this doesn't happen unless you have a page with LOTS of graphics, and probably a few other factors. As an aside, it's generally considered more polite to report such problems to the webmaster than to post a general query (multiple times) to the whole list. I assure you I do read webmaster@fractalus.com mail. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian E. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Julia trimmed Mandel.... Date: 03 Apr 1998 12:52:28 -0500 Hi Doc, >>Julia trimmed Mandel. Cool !!!!!<< Another hand-crafted gem, Nice! Brian - http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Brian_E_Jones - Brian_E_Jones@compuserve.com - bejones@netunlimited.net - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kivryn_H Subject: (fractint) Re: Wolfe, Ph.D site Date: 03 Apr 1998 12:30:39 -0600 Jonathan Wolfe, Ph.D wrote: > > I'll post the images > to my web site. > Could you please post your web site? Thank you. Kivryn - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Les St Clair" Subject: Re: (fractint) Missing fomula file Date: 03 Apr 1998 18:59:12 +0100 Paul asked: >> Where the ^@#! is les_pars.frm? It's on the first page of of my Fractint par pages at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/ The zip file is called "lparfrms.zip" - Les - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Les St Clair" Subject: Re: (fractint) How many Par's Frm's Map's Etc. can FRACTINT find in... Date: 03 Apr 1998 19:37:09 +0100 Hi James, >BTW Does anyone compile Monthly Par/Frm submissions for the FRACTAL >ART list? I can never Jim Muth's posts to run on my machine. I collect these too! Jim gave me permission to post an archive on my web site at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/ Go to the "Fractint Pars Galore!" page. You will find a par file containing every FOTD since Jim's very first post. I update this file periodically (currently it contains about 350 of Jim's wonderful creations). The required formulas are included too. cheers, Les - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Les St Clair" Subject: Re: (fractint) How many Par's Frm's Map's Etc. can FRACTINT find in... Date: 03 Apr 1998 19:30:02 +0100 James R. McKenzie asked: >How many Par's Frm's Map's Etc. can FRACTINT find in a directory? >I have more Par's than anything else but still I'm >gettin' close to super-critical on the Frm's and Map's too. Any >suggestions on what to do short of erasing files/stuff? I'm afraid I don't know the file limits for each of the above, but here's a couple of options: 1. Pars. Either compile the individual posts into larger files (like my monthly collections), or create a series of sub-directories such as: par\artists\jo_bloggs, par\artists\fred_bloggs, par\mailist\fractint par\mailist\fractal_art etc.. 2. Formulas. Again, compile collections such as 98jan.frm, 98feb.frm or (best of all), get George Martin's Orgform collection and use it to add any new formulas that you come across. Sub-directories is not a good idea (Fractint will only search the directory specified in sstools.ini) 3. Maps I think the limit here must be pretty huge, I have about 1000 in one directory and Fractint can access them all. Sub-directories is another solution if you do exceed the limit, e.g. map\defaults map\favourites map\mine etc... cheers, Les - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Genealogy1 Subject: Re: (fractint) Julia trimmed Mandel.... Date: 03 Apr 1998 15:34:55 EST In a message dated 98-04-03 12:55:08 EST, you write: << Another hand-crafted gem, Nice! >> Hi Brian, Thank you Brian. --Doc-- - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Earl Simpson" Subject: (fractint) Re: 1st post to group Date: 03 Apr 1998 15:33:44 -0600 Hello people, My name is Earl Simpson, and i'm a newbie to the group. I found this image while zooming in on carr3197 ---- I'm calling it Santa Clause and Candy Canes. Hope it is a new one. Comments are welcomed. es0001 { ; Santa Clause and Candy Canes reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=43ccarr.frm formulaname=carr3197 passes=1 corners=-4.597312839286e-006/4.628817960798e-006/0.4760988022378/0.47610\ 57218359 params=200/300/400/550 float=y maxiter=647 periodicity=0 colors=000Y00V00<9>c00000<12>VEvXFzZIx<10>svc<13>5Pz<8>19M000<3>000UMF<1\ 4>svc<13>UMF000007<13>2CU<6>1ajinf<3>lttmvxmvw<11>johioginfhmdhmd<23>zzz\ itgkpd<29>000zzzab3<12>svc<13>0Zc<12>039007000<11>K00 } - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) Missing person? Date: 03 Apr 1998 16:55:09 -0500 >> Really? I found it listed at a couple of archive sites using >> www.filez.com. Same program, I guess: when I ran it in a DOS box, it >> produced a QPV.CFG file ... = You're probably right! - Sylvie E-mail: Sylvie_Gallet@CompuServe.com Visit my exhibit at Museun of Computer Art: http://www.dorsai.org/~moca/ My Fractal Galleries: http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/sylvie/gallet.html http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest images webpage Date: 03 Apr 1998 19:08:53 -0500 -----Original Message----- |Paul, | | - http://www.fractalus.com/contest/contest.htm | - | - There are more broken images than working ones on this page... what | - gives? | |What gives is that certain browsers (IE especially) will puke on pages with |lots of images, and think that they can't get some or even most of the |images. I get this from time to time. I assure you the pictures are all |there. You can either refresh the page to have it grab more images, or |right-click each image you want to view and choose "Show Picture". As I |said, this doesn't happen unless you have a page with LOTS of graphics, and |probably a few other factors. | |As an aside, it's generally considered more polite to report such problems |to the webmaster than to post a general query (multiple times) to the whole |list. I assure you I do read webmaster@fractalus.com mail. | |Damien M. Jones \\ |dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) | \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) | |- |------------------------------------------------------------ |Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List |Post Message: fractint@xmission.com |Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" |Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net |Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: (fractint) Exotic Halley Msets Formula Date: 03 Apr 1998 19:59:48 -0600 (CST) comment { Here's a formula for the Halley Mset of z^4 - z - c = 0 using my flexball rendering. Some of the images are quite exotic. All are quite pretty. Enjoy! Note: The Halley solution of z^4 - z - c = 0 has midgets of the form z = z^2 - c, z^5 - z - c = 0 has midgets of the form z = z^3 - c, z^6 - z - c = 0 has midgets of the form z = z^4 - c, etc. Paul Carlson } frm:FB_Halley_M4 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 ; Halley solution of w^4 - w - c = 0 ; Always use float=y, outside=summ ; p1 = relaxation factor ; p2 = radius of center of ring (0.01 to 10) ; p3 = one half thickness of ring (0.01 to p2) c = pixel w = z = iter = bailout = 0 d0 = p2 + p3 d1 = 0.382683432365 * p2 d2 = 0.923879532511 * p2 dsqd = d0 * d0 + p2 * p2 - (d0 + d0) * d2 : w2 = w * w, fnc = w2 * w2 - w - c, der = 4 * w * w2 - 1 k = p1 * fnc / (der - 12 * w2 * fnc / (der + der)) w = w - k ; IF ((abs(cabs(w) - p2) < p3) && iter > 0) bailout = 1 wr = real(w), wi = imag(w) awr = abs(wr), awi = abs(wi) IF (awr >= awi) dist = (awr - d2) * (awr - d2) + (awi - d1) * (awi - d1) adjust = 1 ELSE dist = (awr - d1) * (awr - d1) + (awi - d2) * (awi - d2) adjust = 0 ENDIF IF (wr >= 0 && wi >= 0) range_num = 1 - adjust ELSEIF (wr < 0 && wi >= 0) range_num = 2 + adjust ELSEIF (wr < 0 && wi < 0) range_num = 5 - adjust ELSE range_num = 6 + adjust ENDIF ratio = sqrt(dist / dsqd) z = 29 * ratio + range_num * 30 + 1 ELSEIF (|k| < 0.000001) bailout = 1 z = 252 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter bailout == 0 } fbhalm01 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fbhalm4.frm formulaname=fb_halley_m4 passes=1 center-mag=-0.89973878027091650/+0.00000000000000005/3.68\ 7306e+009/1/90 params=1/0/1/0/0.08/0 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>\ aG00zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<10>000zz0000000 } fbhalm02 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fbhalm4.frm formulaname=fb_halley_m4 passes=1 center-mag=-17.25916734130114000/+0.00000000000000176/126\ 56.11/1/90 params=1/0/1/0/0.8/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>\ aG00zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<9>0000SS000000000 } fbhalm03 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fbhalm4.frm formulaname=fb_halley_m4 passes=1 center-mag=-2075.01568968617400000/+0.00000000000045519/1\ 08011.1/1/90 params=1/0/4/0/2.6/0 float=y maxiter=3000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>\ aG00zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<10>000zz0000000 } fbhalm04 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fbhalm4.frm formulaname=fb_halley_m4 passes=1 center-mag=-19.5413/1.85962e-015/68.68225/1/90 params=1/0/1/0/0.8/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>\ aG00zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<9>0000SS000000000 } fbhalm05 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fbhalm4.frm formulaname=fb_halley_m4 passes=1 center-mag=-2075.01568968617400000/+0.00000000000045519/1\ 08011.1/1/90 params=1/0/10/0/2/0 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>\ aG00zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<10>000zz0000000 } fbhalm06 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fbhalm4.frm formulaname=fb_halley_m4 passes=1 center-mag=-0.89973878027091650/+0.00000000000000005/5.83\ 4347e+008/1/90 params=1/0/1/0/0.08/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>\ aG00zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<13>000 } fbhalm07 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fbhalm4.frm formulaname=fb_halley_m4 passes=1 center-mag=-0.93531003886309210/+0.00000000000000000/7634\ 166/1/90 params=1/0/4/0/0.7/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>\ aG00zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<10>000zz0000000 } fbhalm08 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fbhalm4.frm formulaname=fb_halley_m4 passes=1 center-mag=-726.69704046122710000/+6.22295538700079800/36\ 32169/1/60.998 params=1/0/4/0/0.5/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>\ aG00zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<10>000zz0000000 } fbhalm09 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fbhalm4.frm formulaname=fb_halley_m4 passes=1 center-mag=-726.69704046122710000/+6.22295538700079800/36\ 32169/1/60.997 params=1/0/8/0/0.8/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>\ aG00zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<10>000zz0000000 } fbhalm10 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fbhalm4.frm formulaname=fb_halley_m4 passes=1 center-mag=-17.25916830015516000/+0.00000000000000176/443\ 6.164/1/-90 params=1/0/1/0/0.5/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>\ aG00zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<10>000zz0000000 } - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Julia trimmed Date: 03 Apr 1998 21:00:55 -0500 Hi Bob, >>I thought this "trimmed" image was interesting.<< It seems to have a lot of electrical energy. Lee - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John J. Brassil" Subject: (fractint) Fractal Friendsy Date: 03 Apr 1998 21:46:00 -0600 (Central Standard Time) Sorry, Lee, couldn't resist. :) I was pretty pleased to see this mailing list at the Fractint home page, where I drop by periodically (must be my day for bad puns) to see what's new. After scanning through the recent list archives, I have a few quick questions for you, my FFs: I had corresponded with Sylvie a while back asking about true-color modes for the Millenium (none at the time.) I see from a recent post that you've managed to tweak a 16x12 out in VESA mode - any progress on color depth > 256 as of yet? Speaking of which, I finally decided to break down and pay the outrageous price for an upgrade to my 2Mb, but all the web sites say 2-3 weeks minimum - *no one* has it in stock right now. Any idea from you Great White Northerners on that story? (I know the Mill is serious old school at this point.) BTW, Sylvie, I would like to take you up on your offer of the vesa2cfg.zip file, please. Does anyone know of a batch mode GIF to BMP converter? I have been mucking about lately with the Cthuga pluging for the Winamp MP3 player and it's ability to load pictures as background is unfortunately limited to BMPs. The good news is that fractal images were absolutely *made* for this - I DJed a party last weekend where I blew the Cthuga visuals into an 800 x 600 Epson projector and onto a wall and it was the BOMB. I yanked about a dozen of my homemade fractals in, just to have something, but I sure would love to take the LView slide-show lists I made from Lee's Fractal Frenzy discs and get busy with some *real* artwork. Speaking of which, have you published anything since the Visions CDROM, Mr. Skinner? Finally, I'd like to know if Universe is still publishing their calendar. The last one I had was for 95 (in a weird coincidence, when I moved here in July of that year, Brian Evans was still working at Vandy, and some of this work was in the calendar!) and when I called about a new one, the phone was disconnected. Too bad, because it sure beat the hell out of Dilbert and the Far Side (OK, OK, I love Scott Adams and Gary Larson, too.) Nice to be on board - let me know if you need a fractal DJ. ;) B John J. Brassil | Network Engineer, Vanderbilt ACIS Networks | 615.322.2496 - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Fractal Frien Date: 03 Apr 1998 23:15:25 -0500 Hi John, >>Speaking of which, have you published anything since the Visions CDROM,= = Mr. Skinner?<< I am offering my latest CDROM (Fractal Dimensions) at a 25% discount off the $39.95 list price to readers of this list (+ $5 s&h - or $10 s&h outs= ide USA). = Lee H. Skinner P.O. Box 14944 Albuquerque, NM 87191 This disc has over 2600 new images and is formatted in html. BTW, Fractal Frenzy I and II are now out of print. Lee - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Missing fomula file Date: 04 Apr 1998 01:07:13 -0500 (EST) >Paul asked: > >>> Where the ^@#! is les_pars.frm? > >It's on the first page of of my Fractint par pages at: > >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/ > >The zip file is called "lparfrms.zip" Thx, I found it. -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | pgd73@hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James R. McKenzie" Subject: (fractint) Collecting Fractals, was How many Par's Frm's Map's Etc Date: 04 Apr 1998 02:04:34 -0800 (PST) One of my problems is I have so much "STUFF" for FRACTINT I'm sure that all of it is no longer registering with the progrma. How many Par's, Map's, Frm's and such will it find per directory before it gets maxed out? I'm a pack rat by nature (I'll keep old COMPUTER SHOPPER magazines for about a year or so before throwing them out, now "THAT's" bad. 8-P ) so that fact I have a 4 gig HDD is no help here. I have a 2GB tape drive and several "DUMP" tapes to keep from crashing myself. FRACTINT however needs all of certain files in order to do it's thing, what I'm noticing is it won't list all the PAR's I have anymore. Sometimes it'll list certain ones sometimes not. In a way it's like the 1000 file limit in the DOS root directory I guess. Any ideas here folx? I moved some of my PAR's to a secondary directory but I need to know how many files I can have per directory before I max it out too. It a curse of plenty I guess. Oh well. I'm swimmin' in Fractals and lovin' it. James R. McKenzie WHOOKAM88@YAHOO.COM _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Hine" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal Friendsy Date: 04 Apr 1998 06:38:21 -0500 John, our Fractal Friend wonders: >Does anyone know of a batch mode GIF to BMP converter? Handmade Software Inc. produces a piece of shareware called Image Alchemy which will convert most image types into most other image types with single commands... it would be relatively easy to create a batch file of these commands to run overnight on your machine. For DOS or UNIX. Shareware demo version is limited to 640x480, but if it does what you want it to, the real version is... um, pretty expensive if all you want to do is convert GIF to BMP! Anyway, check out < http://www.handmadesw.com >, and good luck! Cheers, Jason - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal Friendsy Date: 04 Apr 1998 06:06:45 -0800 Paint Shop Pro does batch conversions to and from any of it's supported graphics formats (among which are gif and bmp plus many others) quite nicely. Price is $69 but you can download a beta version of 5.0 for free at this time. Although I also own the Corel Draw 7 suite and Micrographix, I use PSP on a more regular basis for all sorts of things so the $69 is an excellent investment for anyone who needs to edit and manage graphics. PSP is available for download at www.jasc.com If you do decide to buy PSP, make sure you get the CD ROM which has a really good tutorial and lots of graphics goodies. PSP is also very well suppported by users on the web as well as JASC. It accepts Photoshop plug-ins. Angela aka wizzle At 09:46 PM 4/3/98 -0600, you wrote: >Sorry, Lee, couldn't resist. :) > < >Does anyone know of a batch mode GIF to BMP converter? I have been >mucking about lately with the Cthuga pluging for the Winamp MP3 player and >it's ability to load pictures as background is unfortunately limited to >BMPs. The good news is that fractal images were absolutely *made* for >this - I DJed a party last weekend where I blew the Cthuga visuals into an >800 x 600 Epson projector and onto a wall and it was the BOMB. I yanked >about a dozen of my homemade fractals in, just to have something, but I >sure would love to take the LView slide-show lists I made from Lee's >Fractal Frenzy discs and get busy with some *real* artwork. > > >John J. Brassil | Network Engineer, Vanderbilt ACIS Networks | 615.322.2496 > > > >- >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thaddaeus Parker" Subject: (fractint) Raw2Pov Date: 04 Apr 1998 18:48:57 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BD5FFA.5328FDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have a general question for you all, out there in Fractint Land. I have = created some spiffy 3D images that I would like to render in POV. The = problem that I face is that utility I tried to find and found was the = raw to pov source code. I have Turbo C++ 4.5 compiler and when I compile = it everything works except one error that deals with conflict of = changing a void* to a char* pointers.=20 So my main question is: Does anyone know or have any idea where an = executable version of the raw2pov converter is? I've checked almost = every link in the POV utilities section and have come up with zilch. To those who answer, Tango in advance!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BD5FFA.5328FDE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Have a general question for you all, = out there=20 in Fractint Land.  I have created some spiffy 3D images that I = would like=20 to render in POV. The problem that I face is that utility I tried to = find and=20 found was the raw to pov source code. I have Turbo C++ 4.5 compiler and = when I=20 compile it everything works except one error that deals with conflict of = changing a void* to a char* pointers. 
So my main question is:  Does = anyone know=20 or have any idea where an executable version of the raw2pov converter = is? =20 I've checked almost every link in the POV utilities section and have = come up=20 with zilch.
 
To those who answer, Tango in=20 advance!!!
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BD5FFA.5328FDE0-- - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dick Amerman Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal Friendsy Date: 04 Apr 1998 12:26:45 -0500 > Does anyone know of a batch mode GIF to BMP converter? I just downloaded a free viewer from zdnet's latest offering of 20 freebies: http://www.zdnet.com/chkpt/mkt2110980311/www.hotfiles.com/free It has batch conversion capability, reads around 20 graphics formats and saves to five -- .jpg, .gif, .bmp, .png, and .tif . Dick - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian E. Jones" Subject: (fractint) animators for fractint Date: 04 Apr 1998 13:04:05 -0500 Does anyone know of any good animators for fractint other than Fractani? Brian - http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Brian_E_Jones - Brian_E_Jones@compuserve.com - bejones@netunlimited.net - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest images webpage Date: 04 Apr 1998 15:11:52 -0500 Sorry about the first reply, I accidentally hit ctrl-enter in outlook express... Stupid combination, I think... Anyways, the reason IE4 chokes on this page is because it doesn't have a connection limit you can set. I mean, for every image on the page, a _whole new connection_ is created. Needless to say, this reduces the bandwidth on each individual image to about .0001 kbps, so IE thinks the site unconnectable, or doesn't exist, because it will have exceeded the timeout by the time anything is downloaded. If you do as mentioned before, and right-click the image and select "Show picture" it'll try again, and download the image successfully. Netscape does allow you to limit the number of connections, so this isn't a problem at all. Maybe this should go on MS's wish list? Pete - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: (fractint) Carlson Formula Date: 04 Apr 1998 12:35:33 -0800 I've been messing around with one of Paul Carlson's latest formulas and have a few pars to share. Also, along with the pars I re-did Paul's color map. I think each of the pars below have a different color map and in this case the maps do NOT cycle for Paul's formulas so you may want to grab the maps even if you don't care about the pars. I did find Paul's original color map very easy to adapt.......I just stuck to where he put his lightest and darkest colors. Thanks Paul!! great stuff wizapr98-1 { ; 4/3/98 copyright Angela Wilczynski aka wizzle ; from a Paul Carlson formula reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=apr98.frm formulaname=fb_halley_m4 center-mag=-19.54130000000000000/+0.00000000000000186/74.01105/1.3333/90 params=1/0/0.85/0/0.75/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000zzc<28>K5AzKU<27>M12K00KKU<28>00AGGz<28>K0KfOz<28>K0FKKU<28>A0\ KzKU<28>O00zcU<28>K4A000<13>000 } wizapr98-2 { ; 4/3/98 copyright Angela Wilczynski aka wizzle ; from a Paul Carlson Formula reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=apr98.frm formulaname=FB_Halley_M4 center-mag=-0.899524/1.52656e-016/13.84275/1/90 params=1/0/1/0/0.08/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000zzc<28>K5Azzm<28>K0A0wz<28>K0AGGz<28>K0KfOz<28>K0Fzcc<28>K0KzK\ U<28>O00zcU<28>K4A000<13>000 } wizapr98-3 { ; 4/3/98 copyright Angela Wilczynski aka wizzle ; from a Paul Carlson formula reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=apr98.frm formulaname=fb_halley_m4 center-mag=-726.69704004330260000/+6.22295172006555800/7504.629/1/83.497 params=1/0/4/0/0.5/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000zzc<28>K5AzKU<27>M12K00KKU<28>00AGGz<28>K0KfOz<28>K0FKKU<28>A0\ KzKU<28>O00zcU<28>K4A000<13>000 } - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thaddaeus Parker" Subject: (fractint) Sent bad mail: Have same question: Raw2Pov? Date: 04 Apr 1998 22:54:18 +0200 I apologize for sending some HTML format mail. Didn't realize it. Here is the question again. I've made some spiffy Fractint 3D images that I would like to get over to POV, but everything I've found is just source code. I have a C++ compiler from Borland. It will compile just great up to a point and then give me errors up the whazzu. Most notably for a void* to char* conversion. anybody know where a good raw to pov conversion port is? Tango in advance!! - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 04 Apr 1998 15:27:28 -0800 The full set of new colormaps is now available at http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/fractint_maps/newmaps.htm The maps are posted in both par and map (zipped) formats. Please let me know what you think. I believe the next step is to decide how many maps to bundle with the next release of Fractint. There are approximately 120 maps posted and they are all great. Is this too many? I think this ought to be a topic posted to this list so we can all see the debate. Provide comments by 4/18/98. Angela aka wizzle - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 04 Apr 1998 17:49:13 -0600 Fractint's Den Mother Wizzle wrote: > > I believe the next step is to decide how many maps to > bundle with the next release of Fractint. If Fractint v.20 has a proposed graphic format change from gif to png, will the new format be able to read the current map files? Or will they have to be rewritten so they can be read under png? IMHO, if the answer involves the latter question then the map files can only be used with Fractint 19.6 and earlier versions. > There are approximately 120 maps posted and they are all great. Is this too many? When I was a little boy in first grade, I became jealous at those classmates whose parents could afford to buy their kiddies Crayolas in 64 colors while my parents bought the measly 8-color box for my use. The more colors the merrier, I believe. So, IMHO, 120 maps is enough to play around with. They've already been created, so make that your limit. This way you won't put your self in the unenviable position of determining which color maps should be trashed. Bob "Extra Crispy Fractals" Margolis - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: (fractint) updated gallery Date: 04 Apr 1998 16:33:01 -0800 Hey, folks! I just got done updating Fractint Gallery 3, with four previously unreleased images, and other areas of my Web site. main site: www.hooked.net/~mchris/fractals.htm Fractint Gallery 3: www.hooked.net/~mchris/fractin3.htm Enjoy, Bud - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 04 Apr 1998 18:08:10 -0800 Bob.. I too wanted that really big Crayola set!!! My folks were poor. These fractint maps might just set our childish desires to rest and they are really good. I encourage one and all to download them (trash your old stuff). Angele aka wizzle (and what the heck is a den mother????) At 05:49 PM 4/4/98 -0600, you wrote: >Fractint's Den Mother Wizzle wrote: >> >> I believe the next step is to decide how many maps to >> bundle with the next release of Fractint. > >If Fractint v.20 has a proposed graphic format change from gif to png, >will the new format be able to read the current map files? Or will they >have to be rewritten so they can be read under png? IMHO, if the answer >involves the latter question then the map files can only be used with >Fractint 19.6 and earlier versions. > >> There are approximately 120 maps posted and they are all great. Is this too many? > >When I was a little boy in first grade, I became jealous at those >classmates whose parents could afford to buy their kiddies Crayolas in >64 colors while my parents bought the measly 8-color box for my use. The >more colors the merrier, I believe. So, IMHO, 120 maps is enough to play >around with. They've already been created, so make that your limit. This >way you won't put your self in the unenviable position of determining >which color maps should be trashed. > >Bob "Extra Crispy Fractals" Margolis > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: (fractint) New computer Date: 04 Apr 1998 18:14:42 -0800 My son (the Prince) just wandered into my firmament. It seems I need a new computer system because he will be getting my exisiting system...please advise... 1. I want a 19" monitor 2. Need a honking graphics card that will run fractint the requirement about Fractint is paramount. Can this group give me plus and minus about the various video cards available? Send emails direct to me at wizzle@cci-internet.com Thanks so much - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: Re: (fractint) New computer Date: 04 Apr 1998 18:14:31 -0800 At 06:14 PM 4/4/98 -0800, Wizzle wrote: >... >It seems I need a new computer system... >... >2. Need a honking graphics card that will run fractint > >the requirement about Fractint is paramount. Can this group give me plus >and minus about the various video cards available? Send emails direct to me at Hey, count *me* in on that data! Maybe not a "honking" card; I'm saddled with my 486/VESA for the time being, but I need a new card because I can't get drivers for all that neat new multimedia sh*t for my Trident '89 model. Plus I'd like 24 bit color, so I don't have to look at those true-color images with ugly dithering. I'd prefer something with at least 2 meg (to support page swapping at 640x480 for my self-built flight sims). Thanks, Bud - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 04 Apr 1998 21:20:52 -0500 Wizzle wrote: > I encourage one and all to download them (trash your old stuff). I did download them and greatly appreciate your efforts! Trash my old stuff? Heaven forbid! I only have about 600 maps on file and two programs to create some more! Gedeon - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: Re: (fractint) New computer Date: 04 Apr 1998 20:15:56 -0700 (MST) Wizzle, I recently bought a Viewsonic 17" monitor that supports 1600 x 1200 resolution, and I'm very happy with it. My video card is a Matrox Millenium II, that I've upgraded to 8MB ram. Of course, Fractint doesn't use anywhere near 8MB, but I do a lot of 24bit work, so the ram allows me to view 1600x1200 in true color. The Matrox card came with a lot of fancy utilities that work fine for me. Sylvie wrote a Fractint.cfg entry for the Millenium at 1600 x 1200, which works fine. Just my 3 cents worth. Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, Wizzle wrote: > My son (the Prince) just wandered into my firmament. It seems I need a new > computer system because he will be getting my exisiting system...please > advise... > > 1. I want a 19" monitor > 2. Need a honking graphics card that will run fractint > > the requirement about Fractint is paramount. Can this group give me plus > and minus about the various video cards available? Send emails direct to me at > > wizzle@cci-internet.com > > Thanks so much > > - > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: Re: (fractint) New computer Date: 04 Apr 1998 20:15:56 -0700 (MST) Wizzle, I recently bought a Viewsonic 17" monitor that supports 1600 x 1200 resolution, and I'm very happy with it. My video card is a Matrox Millenium II, that I've upgraded to 8MB ram. Of course, Fractint doesn't use anywhere near 8MB, but I do a lot of 24bit work, so the ram allows me to view 1600x1200 in true color. The Matrox card came with a lot of fancy utilities that work fine for me. Sylvie wrote a Fractint.cfg entry for the Millenium at 1600 x 1200, which works fine. Just my 3 cents worth. Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, Wizzle wrote: > My son (the Prince) just wandered into my firmament. It seems I need a new > computer system because he will be getting my exisiting system...please > advise... > > 1. I want a 19" monitor > 2. Need a honking graphics card that will run fractint > > the requirement about Fractint is paramount. Can this group give me plus > and minus about the various video cards available? Send emails direct to me at > > wizzle@cci-internet.com > > Thanks so much > > - > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 04 Apr 1998 19:57:35 -0800 > From: Wizzle > http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/fractint_maps/newmaps.htm > Bob.. > > I too wanted that really big Crayola set!!! My folks were poor. These > fractint maps might just set our childish desires to rest and they are > really good. I encourage one and all to download them (trash your old stuff). > > Angele aka wizzle (and what the heck is a den mother????) She helps lead in cub scouts club. > >more colors the merrier, I believe. So, IMHO, 120 maps is enough to play > >around with. They've already been created, so make that your limit. This > >way you won't put your self in the unenviable position of determining > >which color maps should be trashed. > > > >Bob "Extra Crispy Fractals" Margolis And guess what were the favorite colors in those Crayon sets. The same as now, the metallic ones; gold, silver, copper. My folks were never in the money also. I saved up, doing chores, one penny at a time, and bought my set. It was my very first purchase and cost one dollar from Sears catalog. In those days we used coloring books to show us where to put the colors. Of course we usually went out side of the lines and used gold, silver or copper where the book called for yellow, blue or red. And so it is with Fractint. We need a coloring book, those lines to show off our new colors. And here it is, a repost, thanks to Sylvie. I put the new Map files in a directory off the Fractint directory, called Wiz-Maps, so I can find them. Also, the pallette.par, so I can view them. palette-par { ; Copyright Sylvie Gallet, Mar 20, 1998 ; . t= 0:00:00.66 ; ; t=calc time using a Pentium 166 at 320 x 200 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=test.frm formulaname=palette passes=1 center-mag=3.33067e-016/-2.22045e-016/1.893939 float=y maxiter=255 outside=summ colors=038<128>wwzwwzvvy<123>F00 } frm:palette { ; use maxiter=255 and outside=summ z0 = 256 * real(scrnpix)/real(scrnmax) , iter=0 : iter = iter + 1 z = z0 - iter 0 } Now I hope Wizzle still has relevant data about each map. This would fit in the "colors=038<128>wwzwwzvvy<123>F00" format. Do you need help preparing this format Wizzle? We really need this format. The map files take 499712 (.5 Meg) on a hard disk. The colors format should take about 40k. Jay - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Montgomery Subject: (fractint) New computer in the offing Date: 04 Apr 1998 21:13:23 -0700 I am also about a month or so away from getting a new computer. I know the quantities I (think) I want for ram and HD and at least a 4 meg video card, but what type of video card would be best for Fractint, I have no idea. Since Fractint is now my 'reason for existence' (almost) that system which would be the most compatible to Fractint is of utmost importance. Any ol' machine would do for word processing or anything else I might do, but it MUST be Fractint compatible. I (think) I would like to go up to 1240 for pixel size, I don't think I need more because I doubt whether I will get that deeply into the varieties of images. (just a simple 'home boy'!) Already some good input on the postings, but any more would serve all of us well. (I think.) Ray - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Jakubowicz Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 04 Apr 1998 23:51:44 -0500 At 07:57 PM 4/4/98 -0800, Jay Hill wrote: >Now I hope Wizzle still has relevant data about each map. This would >fit in the "colors=038<128>wwzwwzvvy<123>F00" format. sorry, if i missed this before, but what is this format?: wld you still save each of these with the .map extension, and load them like a colormap, or is this something different. - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) Re: First post to Group Date: 04 Apr 1998 22:05:29 -0800 Earl Simpson wrote: > My name is Earl Simpson, and i'm a newbie to the group. I found this image > while zooming in on carr3197 ---- I'm calling it Santa Clause and Candy > Canes. Hope it is a new one. Comments are welcomed. > > es0001 { ; Santa Clause and Candy Canes > reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=43ccarr.frm formulaname=carr3197 > passes=1 > corners=-4.597312839286e-006/4.628817960798e-006/0.4760988022378/0.47610\ > 57218359 params=200/300/400/550 float=y maxiter=647 periodicity=0 > colors=000Y00V00<9>c00000<12>VEvXFzZIx<10>svc<13>5Pz<8>19M000<3>000UMF<1\ > 4>svc<13>UMF000007<13>2CU<6>1ajinf<3>lttmvxmvw<11>johioginfhmdhmd<23>zzz\ > itgkpd<29>000zzzab3<12>svc<13>0Zc<12>039007000<11>K00 > } > Hi Earl, I can't find carr3197- can you repost it? - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: (fractint) Nice 3D effect Date: 05 Apr 1998 00:13:09 -0600 (CST) comment { I'm reposting my Halley flexball formula along with two new par files that redo two of the images created by the pars in the original posting. The pars below give the images a very exotic 3D effect. Paul Carlson } frm:FB_Halley_M4 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 ; Always use float=y, outside=summ ; p1 = relaxation factor ; p2 = radius of center of ring (0.01 to 10) ; p3 = one half thickness of ring (0.01 to p2) c = pixel w = z = iter = bailout = 0 d0 = p2 + p3 d1 = 0.382683432365 * p2 d2 = 0.923879532511 * p2 dsqd = d0 * d0 + p2 * p2 - (d0 + d0) * d2 : w2 = w * w, fnc = w2 * w2 - w - c, der = 4 * w * w2 - 1 k = p1 * fnc / (der - 12 * w2 * fnc / (der + der)) w = w - k ; IF ((abs(cabs(w) - p2) < p3) && iter > 0) bailout = 1 wr = real(w), wi = imag(w) awr = abs(wr), awi = abs(wi) IF (awr >= awi) dist = (awr - d2) * (awr - d2) + (awi - d1) * (awi - d1) adjust = 1 ELSE dist = (awr - d1) * (awr - d1) + (awi - d2) * (awi - d2) adjust = 0 ENDIF IF (wr >= 0 && wi >= 0) range_num = 1 - adjust ELSEIF (wr < 0 && wi >= 0) range_num = 2 + adjust ELSEIF (wr < 0 && wi < 0) range_num = 5 - adjust ELSE range_num = 6 + adjust ENDIF ratio = sqrt(dist / dsqd) z = 29 * ratio + range_num * 30 + 1 ELSEIF (|k| < 0.000001) bailout = 1 z = 252 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter bailout == 0 } fbbhalm1 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fbhalm4.frm formulaname=fb_halley_m4 passes=1 center-mag=-17.25916734130114000/+0.00000000000000176/1265\ 6.11/1/90 params=1/0/1/0/0.8/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=0000zz<14>0CC0ZZ<12>0CCGGz<14>00O77d<12>00OfOz<14>I0KTBb\ <12>I0Kz0f<14>O08d0O<12>O08z88<14>O00d44<12>O00zW0<14>c40mH0<12\ >c40zz0<14>aG0l`0<12>aG00zR<14>0C40ZE<12>0C4000<10>000zzz000kkk } fbbhalm2 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fbhalm4.frm formulaname=fb_halley_m4 passes=1 center-mag=-19.54130000000000000/+0.00000000000000186/68.68\ 225/1/90 params=1/0/1/0/0.8/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=0000zz<14>0CC0ZZ<12>0CCGGz<14>00O77d<12>00OfOz<14>I0KTBb\ <12>I0Kz0f<14>O08d0O<12>O08z88<14>O00d44<12>O00zW0<14>c40mH0<12\ >c40zz0<14>aG0l`0<12>aG00zR<14>0C40ZE<12>0C4000<10>000zzz000kkk } - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 05 Apr 1998 01:34:20 -0500 I've done some reading on the PNG format, and as far as I know, it's a (nearly) direct descendant of gif, but it supports true color, has better compression, and has alpha (multilevel transparency) support. I don't think it would be a problem porting the map files, but the color values would have to be quadupled, since each channel only has 64 levels, opposed to the 256 provided by true color. And best of all, it's being designed by a panel of programmers etc, rather than compuserve... :) |If Fractint v.20 has a proposed graphic format change from gif to png, |will the new format be able to read the current map files? Pete - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: (fractint) High iterations Date: 05 Apr 1998 01:44:19 -0500 Has anyone zoomed in near the tip of the main lake, on the negative x-axis end of the mandelbrot set? I've gone in to about 1e8 zoom level, and I already need about 1 million (maybe 2 mil, I can't remember) iterations. I'm only in straight float mode, too! I could tell i didn't have enough, because there was a rounded triangle where a midget should have been... I thought odd, at first. I looked at the orbits, and the only thing I saw was a straight horizontal line, which makes sense. You should try it out.. if you can wait that long! Pete - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Blake Hyde" Subject: (fractint) Anti-Aliasing Date: 05 Apr 1998 01:55:10 -0500 After a long absence from the fractal world, I decided to return from the evil halls of Real Life and look around some more. After I noticed one particular tip at Les St. Clair's page-in-progress, Fractasia, about using anti-aliasing, I started to look around for a program that would do this. As you may have guessed by now, I haven't found one. Paint Shop Pro (which I found at Simtel) doesn't do it, Graphic Workshop doesn't do it, and neither does the only other image software I have, Fauve Matisse. Except for paint, that is the limit of my graphical collection. You may notice a trend here--I tend to use the cheapest, most miserable programs on the planet. If some kind soul would take pity on me and point me to a cheap, miserable program that does anti-aliasing on the entire picture, I would be eternally greatful and might even update my web page. :) Blake Hyde ~ Casper ~ Novan Dragon Homepage: www.connectu.net/bhyde Email: bhyde@connectu.net - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 04 Apr 1998 23:02:00 -0800 > From: Peter Jakubowicz > > At 07:57 PM 4/4/98 -0800, Jay Hill wrote: > > >Now I hope Wizzle still has relevant data about each map. This would > >fit in the "colors=038<128>wwzwwzvvy<123>F00" format. > > sorry, if i missed this before, but what is this format?: wld you still > save each of these with the .map extension, and load them like a colormap, > or is this something different. I know this may be confusing, but there is a convenient and already compressed method of publishing and using colors available with Fractint. It is the way we include colors in our par files. These can be isolated and used, collected into a few relatively small files. Alloy me to repost my earlier example. Try the experiment and you will see how it works. Notice that the par files contain only information relating to colors and color cycling. They can be loaded in after another fractal has been computed. Then when you write your new par file they will be part of that par file. Also notice that comments can be included about the color map, its author, uses, constraints, etc. Jay ---------- > From: Jay Hill > To: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (fractint) Colormaps Ahoy > Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 6:37 PM > > > Hi wizzle, > > Try this experiment. Copy these pars to JayColor.par > > ; > ; Dr. J's Jello colors > ; http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/FotN/FotNindx.html > ; colors4{ ; (c) Jay Hill, 1998 colors=000<62>w00002<61>0w0404<61>00w666<61>www000000000 cyclerange=1/252 maxiter=250 inside=253 } colors6{ ; (c) Jay Hill, 1998 colors=000<41>wU0000<40>Kc0000<40>KAc000<40>cPA000<40>0Km000<40>w0UmUA00\ 0000 cyclerange=1/252 maxiter=250 inside=253 } colors8{ ; (c) Jay Hill, 1998 colors=000<30>w00000<29>0w0000<29>00w000<29>ww0000<29>w0w000<29>0ww000<2\ 9>www000<29>wU0000<2>000wUK000000 cyclerange=1/248 maxiter=250 inside=253 } colors16{ ; (c) Jay Hill, 1998 colors=000<14>w00000<13>0w0000<13>00w000<13>ww0000<13>0ww000<13>w0w000<1\ 3>wU0000<13>Uw0000<13>0wU000<13>U0w000<13>w0U000<13>0Uw000<13>www000<13>\ UUU000<13>``0000<13>0cc000<10>000mU0000000 cyclerange=1/240 maxiter=250 inside=253 } > > Now start Fractint fresh and point to this par file, select colors6 and run > > it. You will get everything as defaults except the colors, inside, maxiter > and cyclerange. You should see the Mandelbrot set (the default). Zoom > into seahorse valley. I set the maxiter so you could do the next step. > Press E to edit the colors, see how nice they are :-) Note the color in > cell 253. It is for Dr. J, he is loosing his tan. > > Now cycle the colors, OK stop cycling and edit the colors - press E. > You messed them up? > > No! Not completely. See the colors are cycled in the range which > leaves color number 253 unchanged so it is still usable as the inside > color. This is the kind of info we need in a color map. It is not enough > to have a .map file for some applications. (These colors are for Dr. J's > Jello fractals he is tangling with lately.) > > The neat thing is (someone pointed this out to this list last year) that > you can have a picture in progress and load just new colors only > using this method. Go ahead, load colors8 and watch Fractint > recompute the same fractal with the new colors. > > And all the colors are get-at-able with long names from one file, > for someone making a new image. Once the image is created, the > 'B' save procedure will put all this in the new par. > > Jay > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lavondyss Subject: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 05 Apr 1998 01:08:42 -0600 Wizzle wrote: > Paint Shop Pro does batch conversions to and from any of it's supported > graphics formats (among which are gif and bmp plus many others) quite > nicely. Price is $69 but you can download a beta version of 5.0 for free at > this time. Although I also own the Corel Draw 7 suite and Micrographix, I > use PSP on a more regular basis for all sorts of things so the $69 is an > excellent investment for anyone who needs to edit and manage graphics. > > PSP is available for download at > > www.jasc.com > > If you do decide to buy PSP, make sure you get the CD ROM which has a > really good tutorial and lots of graphics goodies. PSP is also very well > suppported by users on the web as well as JASC. It accepts Photoshop plug-ins. > > Angela aka wizzle > Hey, since everyone here is a graphics fiend/friend whichever you prefer, I would like to know if anyone would like Photoshop 4.0 for free? I love it to death. I do all my enhancements on it and the filters are unbelieveable. I can post it on my website. I will have to post the whole thing in parts though, because I don't have enough room to post the whole program at once. Unless someone has room for me to post it. Let me know what you guys think. Please don't let the Photoshop people know about this. They might slap me with at least a $10,000 fine for distributing it. -Lav - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 04 Apr 1998 23:31:05 -0800 > Let me know what you guys think. Please don't let the Photoshop people > know about this. They might slap me with at least a $10,000 fine for distributing > it. > > -Lav So don't do it! Jay - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 05 Apr 1998 23:43:10 +1200 At 01:08 05/04/98 -0600, Lavondyss wrote: > >Photoshop 4.0 for free? >I can post it on my website. I will have to post the whole thing in parts >though, because I don't have enough room to post the whole program at once. ... >Please don't let the Photoshop people know about this. They might slap me with >at least a $10,000 fine for distributing it. Will do; I'll just pop around to their offices and hide all their web browsers. If you _really_ want Photoshop for free, shop around for a good deal when buying a scanner. They are often sold with Photoshop. That's how I got mine (for less than the cost of buying Photoshop alone). Oh, and make sure that it's the full version of Photoshop, and not some sort of "Lite" version that appears in some deals. - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Valero Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 05 Apr 1998 08:43:19 -0400 At 01:08 AM 05/04/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hey, since everyone here is a graphics fiend/friend whichever you prefer, I would >like to know if anyone would like Photoshop 4.0 for free?.... >I can post it on my website.... >Let me know what you guys think. Please don't let the Photoshop people >know about this. Hey! I'd love Photoshop 4 for free. And while you're at it maybe you could steal a new sailboat and a couple of banks for me too. But am I willing to call myself a thief for just a few $100? Naw... not worth it and I don't think you're doing me a favour by offering to turn me into one. As a "graphic friend" I'd recommend you not advertise your willingness to rip someone off so freely though. The net is *not* a private place and if an angry lawyer from Adobe comes knocking at your door, you've only yourself to blame. Personally, I'd prefer it if you do yourself and me a favour and let this list get back to the clean, friendly place it always has been. I don't think you're a horrible evil person but really, Photoshop is just not yours to give away. Now, if you offered to give me your computer THAT would be a real act of generosity :) Regards - Jack visit our fractal gallery: http://www.globalserve.net/~jval/phractal.html - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Earl Simpson" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: First post to Group (formula enclosed) Date: 05 Apr 1998 11:04:27 -0500 Kathy wrote > Hi Earl, I can't find carr3197- can you repost it? > As I said I'm a newbie. carr3197 enclosed. Carr3197(YAXIS){;Modified Sylvie Gallet frm. [101324,3444],1996 ;passes=1 needs to be used with this PHC formula. pixel=-abs(real(pixel))+flip(imag(pixel)), d=log(1/pixel-cos(1/pixel)) b4=pixel^2-(0.2*cabs(0.2-pixel^-0.025)) b5=flip(b4)^2-cabs(0.1/pixel-flip(0.01/b4))-conj(0.1/pixel)-0.65 c=whitesq*b4-(whitesq==0)*b4 z=whitesq*b5-(whitesq==0)*b5 c1=1.5*z^1.2,c2=2.25*conj(z),c3=3.375*flip(z),c4=5.0625*flip(z), l1=real(p1),l2=imag(p1),l3=real(p2),l4=imag(p2), bailout=16,iter=0: t1=(iter==l1),t2=(iter==l2),t3=(iter==l3),t4=(iter==l4), t=1-(t1||t2||t3||t4),z=z*t,c=c*t+c1*t1+c2*t2+c3*t3+c4*t4, z=z^2+(-0.7456,-0.132)+cabs(|c/7.5|)+flip(real(|d/80*pixel|)), iter=iter+1 (|z|)<=bailout } Must remember to enclose formula next time :)). Earl > >- >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Color map utilities Date: 05 Apr 1998 10:17:48 -0500 Found two color map utilities for Fractint that may be of interest to some of you: Make Map 1.1, which is a map file generator; and eXchange Map 1.1, which modifies Fractint map files to make a new map file. Surf over to http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Way/9943/c.htm Bob "Mach 7 Fractals" Margolis - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Idea for a formula Date: 05 Apr 1998 10:26:49 -0500 Would any of you Fractint formula writers want to use your skill to write a formula based on the following idea? This description, along with some images, came from Fracbac Fractals Home at http://www.lifesmith.com/fracbac.html Instead of iterating the fractal equation until the output value exceeds the blowup parameter and then identifying the color of the particular pixel which corresponds to the number of iterations it took, we establish a constant number of iterations, e.g., 200, and then graph the pixels in the fractal according to the logarithm of the resulting outputted value after the 200 iterations. Some rather beautiful results were achieved. To our knowledge this method has never been published before. Bob Margolis - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 05 Apr 1998 11:50:48 -0400 At 08:43 AM 4/5/98 -0400, you wrote: Now, if you offered to give me your computer THAT would be a >real act of generosity :) >Regards - Jack Speaking of which, about one more crash and I might just do that - after a few delicate adjustments with about a 20 lb sledge hammer... :) (Just a little levity to lighten up what could become a too serious line. I think lav has gotten the point...) Regards, David davides@pipeline.com Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Stained Glass fractals Date: 05 Apr 1998 11:06:20 -0500 Earlier in this decade, one fractal program I used along with Fractint was FracTools from Bourbaki Inc. in Idaho. One of the effects for the user was called Stained Glass, in which each color band was separated from the next band by a thin line. The effect truly looked like stained glass and made for some beautiful images. Sadly, it cannot be created by using boundary trace in Fractint. Boundary trace is similar, but that thin line between color bands makes a big difference in the final ouput. Therefore, I would like to request this feature be incorporated into Fractint v.20, if possible. I would be eternally thankful. Bob Margolis - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: (fractint) Par (In memorium) Date: 05 Apr 1998 12:18:09 -0400 I learned yesterday that a friend had passed away over a year ago. His absence had been wondered at... "Bat" was a true gentleman and friend and very helpful for those in need. Image posted in abpf, the par I thought I would post here. Keith { ; From Kerry Mitchell's Bubbleboth_man frm. ; Color map: Modification of one "O" 's maps. ; Keith: "Bat Masterful", d. 5/1997 ; Computer guru, a friend never met reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=bubbleboth_man passes=1 center-mag=-0.57503574032128070/+0.49289391743691880/1139.999/1/-52.499 params=6/0.12/0.06/0 float=y maxiter=1500 inside=zmag decomp=256 finattract=y colors=000L0_L3_L0_<7>M0cMC7<6>xjW<12>K86G54C30A0A000<45>000C0G<19>M0aM0\ bM0bM0c<18>C0G000<47>000C30<10>xgU<22>C30000<44>000 } frm: bubbleboth_man { ; Kerry Mitchell ; ; color Mandelbrot set with small bubbles ; filled with swirls (combination of rays and circles) ; ; use outside=iter, decomp=256 ; real(p1) = bailout (at least 4) ; imag(p1) = radius of bubble (try ~ .1) ; real(p2) = amount of circles (0 for only rays, try 0.5) ; imag(p2) = amount of rays (0 for only circles, try 0.5) ; zc is the variable used for iteration, z for coloring ; zc=pixel, c=pixel, maxr=real(p1), minr=imag(p1), scale=2*pi/minr minset=0, iter=1, rzc=cabs(zc), minzc=zc weight=real(p2)+imag(p2) weightc=real(p2)/weight, weightr=imag(p2)/weight ; ; initial check: see if pixel magnitude falls within threshold ; if so, set minset flag, update minimum to current magnitude ; if (rzcmaxr)||(iter==maxit)) iter=-1 anglec=scale*minr, angler=imag(log(minzc)) angle=weightc*anglec+weightr*angler z=(cos(angle)+flip(sin(angle)))*minset end if iter > 0 } davides@pipeline.com Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lavondyss" Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 05 Apr 1998 11:32:17 On Sun, 05 Apr 1998 23:43:10 +1200, fractint@lists.xmission.com wrote... >At 01:08 05/04/98 -0600, Lavondyss wrote: >> >>Photoshop 4.0 for free? >>I can post it on my website. I will have to post the whole thing in parts >>though, because I don't have enough room to post the whole program at once. >.... >>Please don't let the Photoshop people know about this. They might slap me >with >>at least a $10,000 fine for distributing it. > >Will do; I'll just pop around to their offices and hide all their web >browsers. > >If you _really_ want Photoshop for free, shop around for a good deal when >buying a scanner. They are often sold with Photoshop. That's how I got mine >(for less than the cost of buying Photoshop alone). Oh, and make sure that >it's the full version of Photoshop, and not some sort of "Lite" version >that appears in some deals. > I sell scanners where I work, and the ones that come with them are Photoshop Deluxe, NOT Photoshop 4.0. Deluxe is a dinky little program. Believe me, Deluxe sux big time. I just wanted to contribute back to the Fractal community. -Lav - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Montgomery Subject: (fractint) Posting Date: 05 Apr 1998 10:54:30 -0600 Linda, gumbycat, who has been such an enormous help to me, has posted an image of mine, made from one that she sent to me as a learning aid, at a special address in case anybody wants to drop around and see it. ....http://www.geocities.com/~gumbycat/raym.html... Thanks, Linda! Ray - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John J. Brassil" Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 05 Apr 1998 12:13:21 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) > If you _really_ want Photoshop for free, shop around for a good deal when > buying a scanner. They are often sold with Photoshop. That's how I got mine > (for less than the cost of buying Photoshop alone). Oh, and make sure that > it's the full version of Photoshop, and not some sort of "Lite" version > that appears in some deals. > Another nice deal is getting Photodeluxe for nearly free if you have an HP Printer. Periodically they send an offer to registered users for an "Idea Kit," where for about $5 for S&H (and a UPC from an Ink Cartridge - save those little boxes!), you get some paper samples and some project suggestion, *and* some fully functional software - the one I got had Photodeluxe, Corel Printhouse, and Hanes T-Shirt Maker. Photodeluxe ain't Photoshop, but it does have some nice effects filters and all yer basic editing tools. Plus, it's not a felony to get a copy this way! =80 B John J. Brassil | Network Engineer, Vanderbilt ACIS Networks | 615.322.2496 - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lavondyss" Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 05 Apr 1998 12:13:36 I guess I won't be posting it then. Some people are goody-two-shoes, so I have to respect that. Don't want any trouble in fractal land. Photoshop is just too dang expensive for most consumers to afford. I just thought perhaps I could share the wealth. In this case, I would suppose not. Thanx for replying and giving me some thoughts though. Happy fractaling -Lav - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 05 Apr 1998 10:38:46 -0700 Jay... I posted all of the new maps in .par format as well as in .map format. Do I need to do something else as well? Also, I did have some broken links yesterday, so sorry. Please check today and you should find all the .pars for the colors. Angela > >In those days we used coloring books to show us where to put the colors. >Of course we usually went out side of the lines and used gold, silver or copper >where the book called for yellow, blue or red. And so it is with Fractint. We >need a coloring book, those lines to show off our new colors. And here it >is, a repost, thanks to Sylvie. I put the new Map files in a directory off >the Fractint directory, called Wiz-Maps, so I can find them. Also, the >pallette.par, so I can view them. > >palette-par { ; Copyright Sylvie Gallet, Mar 20, 1998 > ; . t= 0:00:00.66 > ; > ; t=calc time using a Pentium 166 at 320 x 200 > reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=test.frm formulaname=palette > passes=1 center-mag=3.33067e-016/-2.22045e-016/1.893939 float=y > maxiter=255 outside=summ colors=038<128>wwzwwzvvy<123>F00 > } >frm:palette { ; use maxiter=255 and outside=summ > z0 = 256 * real(scrnpix)/real(scrnmax) , iter=0 : > iter = iter + 1 > z = z0 - iter > 0 >} > >Now I hope Wizzle still has relevant data about each map. This would >fit in the "colors=038<128>wwzwwzvvy<123>F00" format. Do you need >help preparing this format Wizzle? We really need this format. The map >files take 499712 (.5 Meg) on a hard disk. The colors format should take >about 40k. > >Jay > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 05 Apr 1998 10:40:45 -0700 Gedeon... I too am keeping my map collection. I really meant trash those clunky maps that come with Fractint. This is a much better selection. Angela At 09:20 PM 4/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >Wizzle wrote: > >> I encourage one and all to download them (trash your old stuff). > >I did download them and greatly appreciate your efforts! Trash my old stuff? >Heaven forbid! I only have about 600 maps on file and two programs to create some >more! > >Gedeon > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 05 Apr 1998 11:35:40 -0500 Jay Hill wrote: > > > Let me know what you guys think. Please don't let the Photoshop people > > know about this. They might slap me with at least a $10,000 fine for > distributing > > it. > > > > -Lav > > So don't do it! I have to agree with the above. Unless the license explicitly says "You may redistribute" you may NOT redistribute the software, especially on a web site to potential millions of people. End of story. Justin K. -- I sense a great disturbance in the Source. Justin A. Kolodziej I am 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu Marquette University is http://www.mu.edu - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 05 Apr 1998 11:03:19 -0700 Is Photoshop strictly a bitmap graphics program? And I think it retails for about $500. I have Corel Draw 7 which has both a bitmap editor and a vector graphics program as well as 3D (a lot for the $225 I paid). Lots of Photoshop filters (which plug into Paintshop Pro and Corel Draw) are available at http://www.netins.net/showcase/wolf359/plugins.htm and http://hem1.passagen.se/grafoman/plugtool/plugs.html Angela At 12:13 PM 4/5/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >> If you _really_ want Photoshop for free, shop around for a good deal when >> buying a scanner. They are often sold with Photoshop. That's how I got mine >> (for less than the cost of buying Photoshop alone). Oh, and make sure that >> it's the full version of Photoshop, and not some sort of "Lite" version >> that appears in some deals. >> >Another nice deal is getting Photodeluxe for nearly free if you have an HP >Printer. Periodically they send an offer to registered users for an >"Idea Kit," where for about $5 for S&H (and a UPC from an Ink Cartridge >- save those little boxes!), you get some paper samples and some project >suggestion, *and* some fully functional software - the one I got had >Photodeluxe, Corel Printhouse, and Hanes T-Shirt Maker. > >Photodeluxe ain't Photoshop, but it does have some nice effects filters >and all yer basic editing tools. > >Plus, it's not a felony to get a copy this way! =80 > >B > >John J. Brassil | Network Engineer, Vanderbilt ACIS Networks | 615.322.2496 > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) Posting Date: 05 Apr 1998 11:15:31 -0700 Fun image Ray...looks like you will be ready for your own homepage soon. At 10:54 AM 4/5/98 -0600, you wrote: > Linda, gumbycat, who has been such an enormous help to me, has >posted an image of mine, made from one that she sent to me as a learning >aid, at a special address in case anybody wants to drop around and see it. > ....http://www.geocities.com/~gumbycat/raym.html... > > Thanks, Linda! > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Les St Clair" Subject: Re: (fractint) Anti-Aliasing Date: 05 Apr 1998 18:21:53 +0100 Hi Blake, >After I noticed one particular >tip at Les St. Clair's page-in-progress, Fractasia, about using >anti-aliasing, I started to look around for a program that would do this. >As you may have guessed by now, I haven't found one. Paint Shop Pro (which >I found at Simtel) doesn't do it Which version of PSP do you have? The Win95 version (4.14) does do anti-aliasing, it does this when you re-sample an image (Image menu > resample) Typically you need to down-size at a 2:1 ratio for the anti-aliasing to be effective. I don't like the soft look that results from anti-aliasing so I always apply a "sharpen" filter afterwards (PSP does this too: Image menu> Normal filters> Sharpen). cheers, Les - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 05 Apr 1998 11:20:23 -0700 I don't want to reopen the copyright debate, but you may have noticed that most of us take copyright infringement very seriously. I suggest that you don't infringe on any our our rights, or the rights of the Photoshop authors. > Hey, since everyone here is a graphics fiend/friend whichever you prefer, I would > like to know if anyone would like Photoshop 4.0 for free? I love it to death. I do > all my enhancements on it and the filters are unbelieveable. I can post it on my > website. I will have to post the whole thing in parts though, because I don't have > enough room to post the whole program at once. Unless someone has room for me to > post it. Let me know what you guys think. Please don't let the Photoshop people > know about this. They might slap me with at least a $10,000 fine for distributing > it. > > -Lav - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) Anti-Aliasing Date: 05 Apr 1998 11:41:58 -0700 Blake... Get the new PSP 5.0 version beta from JASC for free. www.jasc.com And for those that think PSP is "dinky" try some of the tips from various PSP afficienados....I have links at http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/hints/graphlinks.htm The free filters available on the web make PSP haul. Angela At 06:21 PM 4/5/98 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi Blake, > >>After I noticed one particular >>tip at Les St. Clair's page-in-progress, Fractasia, about using >>anti-aliasing, I started to look around for a program that would do this. >>As you may have guessed by now, I haven't found one. Paint Shop Pro (which >>I found at Simtel) doesn't do it > >Which version of PSP do you have? >The Win95 version (4.14) does do anti-aliasing, it does this when you re-sample >an image (Image menu > resample) > >Typically you need to down-size at a 2:1 ratio for the anti-aliasing to be >effective. > >I don't like the soft look that results from anti-aliasing so I always apply a >"sharpen" filter afterwards (PSP does this too: Image menu> Normal filters> >Sharpen). > >cheers, Les > > > >- >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: (fractint) Mandelbrot tip Date: 05 Apr 1998 15:23:27 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01BD60A6.C86A76E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a par file that I got from my image I referred to earlier. I posted it to the group, since Jay asked about it. I tried it with 1 million iterates, then at 2, and found that 2 million caught some pixels 1 mil didn't. You may find 1 million is enough to demonstrate this, though. Pete ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01BD60A6.C86A76E0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="MANDTIP.PAR" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="MANDTIP.PAR" Very High Iterates { ; This is the tip of the Mandelbrot Set ; rendered with 2 million iterations. ; I have also turned off periodicity. reset=1960 type=mandel passes=3 center-mag=-1.40115519150011600/+0.00000000000000000/4.266667e+008 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=2097152 inside=0 logmap=18386 symmetry=none periodicity=0 } NotEnough Iterates { ; This is the tip of the Mandelbrot Set ; rendered with 65,536 iterations. ; I have periodicity set at 4. reset=1960 type=mandel passes=3 center-mag=-1.40115519150011600/+0.00000000000000000/4.266667e+008 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=65536 inside=0 logmap=18386 symmetry=none periodicity=8 } ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01BD60A6.C86A76E0-- - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: (fractint) List statistics Date: 05 Apr 1998 15:25:58 -0400 If anyone is interested, since 2/21/98, when I first joined this list, 969 messages were posted to this list. And this makes it 970 :) Pete - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 05 Apr 1998 12:34:02 -0700 > From: Wizzle > Jay... > > I posted all of the new maps in .par format as well as in .map format. Do I > need to do something else as well? Also, I did have some broken links > yesterday, so sorry. Please check today and you should find all the .pars > for the colors. > > Angela > I could say my eyes are in need of some more drops and/or thicker lenses, for I sure thought your site only had map files. Anyway, your par files are all double spaced. I thought Fractint barfed on extra spaces! But for some reason your pars load OK!! I don't get it... Nice work. Now there is just one more thing. Would you put a ALLPAR.ZIP at the bottom of column 2? Thanks. Paint Shop Pro 5.0 beta expires Apr 30. They offer the real one pre release for $100. What is the usual price? Peter wrote >If anyone is interested, since 2/21/98, when I first joined this list, 969 >messages were posted to this list. And this makes it 971. Jay - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Janet Preslar Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 05 Apr 1998 14:44:53 -0500 Jay Hill wrote: > Paint Shop Pro 5.0 beta expires Apr 30. They offer the real one pre > release for $100. What is the usual price? PSP 4 was $69 and the upgrade to version 5 is $39. Janet - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: (fractint) ?par Date: 05 Apr 1998 15:46:12 -0400 Finally got around to d/l the color maps Angela put together; the following pars are same image with 4 maps, two of which are mine (obviously). Thank you Angela for the time and effort in compiling the maps. ? { ; From GenInvMandi_N (Jm Collard-Richard) ; Color map:dav24 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=GenInvMand1_N function=asin/asin/sinh/sin passes=t center-mag=0.328446/0/0.6666667 float=y maxiter=800 inside=260 outside=real decomp=256 distest=1/71/1024/768 finattract=y colors=olnV00<5>a00c00b00<13>M00K00K00<23>c00c00b00<20>K00000<106>000Q73\ <2>M21K00L11<27>qprsrtrqs<28>M22K00L00<7>U00 } ?1 { ; From GenInvMandi_N (Jm Collard-Richard) ; Color map:Lindaa03 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=GenInvMand1_N function=asin/asin/sinh/sin passes=t center-mag=0.328446/0/0.6666667 float=y maxiter=800 inside=260 outside=real decomp=256 distest=1/71/1024/768 finattract=y colors=000<26>000111333<33>zzz<31>222000000<61>000111332<29>xn_<31>22200\ 0000<29>000 } ?2 { ; From GenInvMandi_N (Jm Collard-Richard) ; Color map:Wizz1015 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=GenInvMand1_N function=asin/asin/sinh/sin passes=t center-mag=0.328446/0/0.6666667 float=y maxiter=800 inside=260 outside=real decomp=256 distest=1/71/1024/768 finattract=y colors=000OOOLLL<2>SSSUUUVVV<5>gggjjjkkk<2>sss<10>XXXUUUTTT<2>LLL<2>SSSU\ UUVVV<5>gggjjjkkk<2>sss<15>000<121>0004468AA<13>0ww<14>0NN0KK2MM<14>gww<\ 15>0UUUUUTTTQQQ } ?3 { ; From GenInvMandi_N (Jm Collard-Richard) ; Color map:dav28 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=GenInvMand1_N function=asin/asin/sinh/sin passes=t center-mag=0.328446/0/0.6666667 float=y maxiter=800 inside=260 outside=real decomp=256 distest=1/71/1024/768 finattract=y colors=000PA8<155>wwwwwwwvv<90>QB9PA8PA8PA8PA8PA8 } frm: GenInvMand1_N { ; Jm Collard-Richard c=z=1/pixel: z=fn1(z)*fn2(z)+fn3(fn4(c)) |z|<=4 } davides@pipeline.com Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Philip DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 05 Apr 1998 15:59:53 -0400 Wizzle, Some very fine and useful maps, thanks very much for your efforts. I like the idea of putting them into par files, but is there an easy method of doing this? Generating pars one at a time and then manually editing out the unnecessary information just seems like too much work, especially when you have several hundred maps or more. Maybe someone with some programming skills could come up with a way to do this automatically with a batch file or something?? Phil D. phild@iinc.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marie Drozdis" Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 05 Apr 1998 16:22:47 -0400 If any of you work for an academic institution, you can get the *full* CorelDraw8 program in an academic edition (meaning without manual) for around a hundred dollars. Third-party manuals are readily available. This is how I got mine. -----Original Message----- >Is Photoshop strictly a bitmap graphics program? And I think it retails for >about $500. I have Corel Draw 7 which has both a bitmap editor and a vector >graphics program as well as 3D (a lot for the $225 I paid). Lots of >Photoshop filters (which plug into Paintshop Pro and Corel Draw) are >available at > >http://www.netins.net/showcase/wolf359/plugins.htm >and >http://hem1.passagen.se/grafoman/plugtool/plugs.html - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 05 Apr 1998 16:48:35 -0400 Jay, Until just a couple of days ago JASC offered PSP 4.14 for $69 with a coupon entitling you to a FREE PSP 5 CD, to be sent after release. That offer has now disappeared from their page, but it is possible that they may still honor it. On the other hand the disappearance of this offer coincides with Microsoft's purchase of JASC Software for $69 million, so who knows? But there are on-line mail order firms which are selling PSP 5 for later delivery at around $70. I don't remember right off which ones. I took advantage of the above offer, so I did not bookmark them. Gedeon Jay Hill wrote: > Paint Shop Pro 5.0 beta expires Apr 30. They offer the real one pre > release for $100. What is the usual price? - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 05 Apr 1998 15:58:03 PDT Batch file, natch. But sed(1) could do it... -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 05 Apr 1998 16:37:55 -0700 PSP has a special...buy 4.0 now at $69 and upgrade to 5.0 free in a month or so. At 12:34 PM 4/5/98 -0700, you wrote: >> From: Wizzle >> Jay... >> >> I posted all of the new maps in .par format as well as in .map format. Do I >> need to do something else as well? Also, I did have some broken links >> yesterday, so sorry. Please check today and you should find all the .pars >> for the colors. >> >> Angela >> > >I could say my eyes are in need of some more drops and/or thicker >lenses, for I sure thought your site only had map files. Anyway, your >par files are all double spaced. I thought Fractint barfed on extra spaces! >But for some reason your pars load OK!! I don't get it... Nice work. > >Now there is just one more thing. Would you put a ALLPAR.ZIP at >the bottom of column 2? Thanks. > >Paint Shop Pro 5.0 beta expires Apr 30. They offer the real one pre >release for $100. What is the usual price? > >Peter wrote >>If anyone is interested, since 2/21/98, when I first joined this list, 969 >>messages were posted to this list. > >And this makes it 971. > >Jay > > > >- >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 05 Apr 1998 16:45:22 -0700 Based on Jay's and Paul D's request, I've zipped up the whole shebang of maps and posted them on the same page. I think Paul's finger got tired of clicking!! http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/fractint_maps/newmaps.htm For your info....doing all the 120 pars probably took me about an hour. But that includes generating them from the maps files as well as editing out the non-color information. Editing the par files was really very fast. I think it would be neat if folks let us know, when posting a par, that they are using a new map they made. That way we could grab the par for viewing and slap the color part into a color par file. What does everyone think of this idea? Angela At 03:59 PM 4/5/98 -0400, you wrote: >Wizzle, > >Some very fine and useful maps, thanks very much for your efforts. > >I like the idea of putting them into par files, but is there an easy method >of doing this? Generating pars one at a time and then manually editing out >the unnecessary information just seems like too much work, especially when >you have several hundred maps or more. Maybe someone with some programming >skills could come up with a way to do this automatically with a batch file >or something?? > >Phil D. >phild@iinc.com > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 05 Apr 1998 16:51:38 -0700 Wow...fantastic deal!!! Corel Draw 8 got very good reviews and I certainly like my Corel Draw 7. Also....there is a ton of help for Corel on the web, so no manual might not be that much of a loss. Thanks so much for the information. Angela At 04:22 PM 4/5/98 -0400, you wrote: >If any of you work for an academic institution, you can get the *full* >CorelDraw8 program in an academic edition (meaning without manual) for >around a hundred dollars. > >Third-party manuals are readily available. > >This is how I got mine. >-----Original Message----- >From: Wizzle >To: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Date: Sunday, April 05, 1998 1:49 PM >Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free > > >>Is Photoshop strictly a bitmap graphics program? And I think it retails for >>about $500. I have Corel Draw 7 which has both a bitmap editor and a vector >>graphics program as well as 3D (a lot for the $225 I paid). Lots of >>Photoshop filters (which plug into Paintshop Pro and Corel Draw) are >>available at >> >>http://www.netins.net/showcase/wolf359/plugins.htm >>and >>http://hem1.passagen.se/grafoman/plugtool/plugs.html - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: (fractint) Monitor and video cards Date: 05 Apr 1998 17:12:59 -0700 I think the Prince and I have settled on the Matrox Millenium II card recommended by someone on this list. What do you all think of the 19" Optiquest monitor? Anyone one have a 19" MAG?? (I currently have a MAG 14"). The MAG is about $100 cheaper than the Optiquest...but I'm willing to pop for the extra bucks if it's worth while since I mostly do graphics with my puter. Also...I need advice on a really good printer. I'm willing to spend about $800. Naturally, I'd be printing fractals!!! I have plenty of graphics software so don't necessarily need something strictly compatible with Fractint. Is the price differential between a 600dpi color printer and a 720dpi color printer really worth it? Anyone have Epson printers? Are they well supported? I will continue with my WIN95 o/s rather than moving to NT, which I find problematic for many programs. Thanks in advance for your advice. Angela p.s. could someone sent me the Matrox drivers for Fractint? I'd like to install them the second I get my new system to try out Fractint. - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) Color Printer Date: 05 Apr 1998 20:43:09 -0400 At 05:12 PM 4/5/98 -0700, you wrote: >Also...I need advice on a really good printer. I'm willing to spend about >$800. Naturally, I'd be printing fractals!!! I have plenty of graphics >software so don't necessarily need something strictly compatible with >Fractint. Is the price differential between a 600dpi color printer and a >720dpi color printer really worth it? Anyone have Epson printers? Are they >well supported? I currently have and am _well_ pleased with my Epson Stylus color 800; cost is about half of what you are willing to spend. Around $400 when I bought mine. It is my understanding that the Epson 600 for about $100 less will do everything the 800 does but at a slightly slower pace. The 800 will go up to 1440 dpi or thereabouts, do "photo quality", etc., but 720 dpi is quite sufficient IMO. As far as support - I have not yet needed any, so could not say... davides@pipeline.com Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 05 Apr 1998 17:56:56 PDT Thanks... -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) Posting Date: 05 Apr 1998 20:56:13 -0400 At 10:54 AM 4/5/98 -0600, you wrote: > Linda, gumbycat, who has been such an enormous help to me, has >posted an image of mine, made from one that she sent to me as a learning >aid, at a special address in case anybody wants to drop around and see it. > ....http://www.geocities.com/~gumbycat/raym.html... > > Thanks, Linda! > > Ray Been taking a tad of time from processing wordies; brought in your antenna and dropped it into fractint. Nice image. Tried a couple of my newer color maps with it. A good image, imo, lends itself to different color maps - this one does so quite well. davides@pipeline.com Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: (fractint) All my pars... Date: 05 Apr 1998 17:58:07 PDT ...contain original maps ;-) -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 05 Apr 1998 20:13:09 -0600 Bob wrote: > If Fractint v.20 has a proposed graphic format change from gif to png, > will the new format be able to read the current map files? The current map files will work with any palette-based, 256 color graphics format including PNG. Of course once true color is being used, map files will not usually be used. Some truecolor schemes can still use map files, and interpolate between the colors to get more colors. There will likely be a version 20 that is 19.6 plus Robin Bussell's evolver. If so, it won't be so a much a big jump over 19.6 so much as a recognition that we went to long without incrementing the major version number. :-) Tim - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 05 Apr 1998 20:29:25 -0600 Wizzle wrote: > Based on Jay's and Paul D's request, I've zipped up the whole shebang of > maps and posted them on the same page. Good idea! Thanks for your work on this. The size is somewhat large (110K) but not out of the question. I'm pretty sure that converting the maps to pars would greatly reduce the size. Perhaps we could even write a small utility that would convert the maps to PARS, or even build this into fractint. Actually, a clever user could write a fractint autokey script to do this. Do we have a volunteer to convert Wizzle's zip archives into PAR files? The best approach would be to keep her organization, and not do them all in one par file. Everyone note that we haven't decided to distribute maps as PAR files, we are just considering it. The idea is that you generate a fractal, and color it by loading a PAR file. We need to see how well this works. Tim - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 05 Apr 1998 20:42:02 -0600 Sheesh, I need to read more carefully!! I asked for a volunteer to convert Wizzle's maps to PARs and she had already done it! Good job! I downloaded your PAR files and zipped them. The results are: ALLMAPS ZIP 112,909 (map format) ALLMAPS1 ZIP 25,485 (par format) So it looks like the PAR format is worthwhile. Adding 25K to the fractint distribution is not so bad. Tim - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 05 Apr 1998 19:09:02 -0700 25K?? wow..that's great considering the wonderful maps we have. We'd just need to make sure the newbies can figure out how to load the maps via the par format and maybe keep the .map versions at spanky for those that like .map files better. What do you all think?? Angela At 08:42 PM 4/5/98 -0600, you wrote: >Sheesh, I need to read more carefully!! I asked for a volunteer to >convert Wizzle's maps to PARs and she had already done it! > >Good job! > >I downloaded your PAR files and zipped them. The results are: >ALLMAPS ZIP 112,909 (map format) >ALLMAPS1 ZIP 25,485 (par format) > >So it looks like the PAR format is worthwhile. Adding 25K to the >fractint distribution is not so bad. > >Tim - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 05 Apr 1998 22:25:17 -0400 Wizzle wrote: > 25K?? wow..that's great considering the wonderful maps we have. We'd just > need to make sure the newbies can figure out how to load the maps via the > par format and maybe keep the .map versions at spanky for those that like > .map files better. > > What do you all think?? My personal preference is for .map files because (1) I am used to them; (2) because I still have a vast amount of space on my hard drives; (3) because in that format they can be worked on with some mapping programs I have; and (4) one does not have to get in and out of color cycling mode to get to a .par file. However, converting the .par format to .map is easy, so I have no objection whatever to their being published in that format. Tim's concern for file size is surely the decisive factor. Gedeon - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 05 Apr 1998 20:04:20 PDT >Everyone note that we haven't decided to distribute maps as PAR >files, we are just considering it. The idea is that you generate a >fractal, and color it by loading a PAR file. We need to see how well >this works. I say ditch the map format altogether, use par-interface for svaing and loading maps in 20.0. -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 05 Apr 1998 23:29:27 -0400 Paul Derbyshire wrote: > >Everyone note that we haven't decided to distribute maps as PAR > >files, we are just considering it. .... > > I say ditch the map format altogether, use par-interface for svaing and > loading maps in 20.0. To distribute maps as PAR files is one thing, to ditch the MAP format altogether is quite another. Why make obsolete a number of programs available to work with map files, even if they are in some sense redundant to Fractint's own palette editor? Why ditch a format which provides some insight as to what is going on, through inspection in a text editor, and replace it with a string of unintelligible symbols as a sole record of colors? Gedeon - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Goldwater" Subject: (fractint) colormaps Date: 06 Apr 1998 00:07:02 -500 hi tim, while we've been on the subject of colormaps lately, i've got a fairly minor feature-request which i think would be very appreciated by all. specifically, i think it would be very handy if one could cycle through all the color-maps in a particular directory with only one keypress per cycle, instead of L--. for example, i would start map-cycling mode with a key, and then i could just hit to switch to the next map, over and over. that way the image never leaves the screen so its easier to compare maps. thanks, -dan- Dan Goldwater dgold@brown.edu http://fatmac.ee.cornell.edu/~goldwada - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) colormaps Date: 06 Apr 1998 01:12:59 -0400 (EDT) GREAT idea! -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | pgd73@hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 06 Apr 1998 17:27:45 +1200 At 23:29 05/04/98 -0400, Gedeon Peteri wrote: >Paul Derbyshire wrote: > >> >> I say ditch the map format altogether, use par-interface for svaing and >> loading maps in 20.0. > >Why ditch a format which provides some insight as to what is going on, >through inspection in a text editor, and replace it with a string of >unintelligible symbols as a sole record of colors? > I agree with Gedeon. It's a LOT easier to write programs to work with .map files than .par files. How is the "colors=" string translate to a palette anyway? It can be figured out, but it's not something one can take in at a glance. Would I be mistaken, however, in guessing that it's the structure of the .par "colors=" string that restricts each of the RGB channels to 64 different levels instead of the full 256? I probably am. Morgan - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jiho Kim Subject: (fractint) maps and pars and other stuff Date: 05 Apr 1998 23:06:40 -0700 (PDT) I'm sure this question will be trivialty for most of you, but as a relatively new person to Fractint, please excuse it. Is there a way to get to other drives in your machine once you begin Fractint? Many apologies for ignorance, Jiho - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Felix Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 06 Apr 1998 02:25:46 -0500 Wizzle wrote: > Is Photoshop strictly a bitmap graphics program? And I think it retails for > about $500. I have Corel Draw 7 which has both a bitmap editor and a vector > graphics program as well as 3D (a lot for the $225 I paid). I have both Photoshop and CorelDraw (as payment for two web pages I did) and use both daily. They fill two (mostly) separate niches. For fractal (basically photo) editing, Corel is nice, but cannot compare to Photoshop's advanced features. IMHO Photoshop is well worth it's high price, and Adobe also gives educational discounts. Alternately, if you are on a small budget, PaintShop Pro is a lot more useful then i'ts price would indicate, and older versions of CorelDraw can sometimes be found in bargain bins... Furthermore, I'm sure no one in the Unix world has overlooked the Gimp. -- | Andrew Duhan | Cereal is g00d | | aduhan@ttu.edu | ICQ 10363110 | | http://chimera.acs.ttu.edu/~aduhan/ | - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Felix Subject: Re: (fractint) Long calculation times... Date: 06 Apr 1998 02:33:48 -0500 Rich Thomson wrote: > Sorry to burst your bubble, but multitasking predates unix.... and Shauna Jones wrote: > Sorry - UNIX was a derivative of earlier mainframe-based > multitasking OSes. Multics is a name that comes to mind, > but I'm sure someone who knows computer history better > than I do will chime in to correct me! Arrrrhgggghh! I hate it when I do that!You're right of course. Maybe I'll start reading my messages more carefully before I click "send." -Andrew -- | Andrew Duhan | Cereal is g00d | | aduhan@ttu.edu | ICQ 10363110 | | http://chimera.acs.ttu.edu/~aduhan/ | - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: skydyes@juno.com Subject: (fractint) Matrox problems... Date: 06 Apr 1998 04:03:26 EDT No! Stop! Don't buy the Matrox Millenium II just yet! Sorry, Angela, I could have spoken sooner, but I didn't want to bother the list with a problem like this. I've just moved into a lab here with 2 brand new, identical awesome computers, 300 MHz, 21" NEC monitors, Matrox Millenium II videocard with 8 MB, etc, etc... AND... The damn things won't run fractint at anything over (I think) SF3, (a pathetic and unusably low res videomode.) I've tried downloading the latest drivers from Matrox, but it made no difference. Now, this may be a Windows NT's fault, it's more than likely, so I don't want to warn you off of Matrox, Wizzle, I just wanted to alert you to a potential problem. It's probably fine with Win95. (Stick with it, you're right!) But what should I do? Any ideas? I didn't want to ask such an annoying question as "help, I can't get fractint to run..." Does anyone out there use fractint on NT successfully (must be, right?) I guess the important question is, has anyone ever had this kind of problem and figured out a way around it? I drool for the raw speed and ultra deep fractals that I hope lie ahead. I want SF9!! Thanks for the help. (And enjoy your new computer, Wizzle!) Jonathan Wolfe, Ph.D SkyDyes 2917 Campus Blvd. NE Albuquerque, NM 87106 (505)-266-1468 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: Re: (fractint) maps and pars and other stuff Date: 06 Apr 1998 02:44:08 PDT For no good reason whatsoever they won't show up in the file lists. But you cantype them manually in the speed key area. Type "D:\" and hit enter to change to the root of drive D, etc. -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems... Date: 06 Apr 1998 02:48:46 PDT Sadly, your computers are suffering from Windosis NTeritis. This is an incurable condition marked by severe symptoms inculding an inability to run DOS apps in SVGA modes. The only recourse is to humanely put the afflicted machines to sleep. Then install W95. -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robin bussell Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems... Date: 06 Apr 1998 11:23:16 +0100 skydyes@juno.com wrote: > > No! Stop! Don't buy the Matrox Millenium II just yet! Sorry, > The damn things won't run fractint at anything > over (I think) SF3, Now, this may be a > Windows NT's fault, it's more than likely, Just to add in a positive note here, I've just accuired a matrox Millenium II with 8Mb and it works perfectly from dos, just select Sylvie's Matrox 1600x1200 mode from the video mode list and bingo! ultra high res fractals :-) From NT though is a different story as you've discovered, HAL says "I'm sorry, I can't let you do that"! (techie joke alert! .. HAL = Hardware Abstraction Layer = part of NT that sits between applications and the actual hardware of the machine and causes confusion when dos apps like fractint try and access the video cards directly ) I find the same problem with my NT machine at work which has a different video card (cirrus logic ) , it won't run a full screen dos session any higher than 640x480x256 ... which is the maximum that was available on the original VGA cards which is what the HAL is probably designed around. Disk video should work however so you can use the low res mode to search for the right image, switch to disk video to render it, then display the resultant file using a windows image viewing program... a bit long winded but workable. Hope this helps a bit, Robin. - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems... Date: 06 Apr 1998 05:37:38 PDT Sounds like the HAL needs a major update... VESA support would be reasonable. I.e. it provides VBE/AF to DOS apps for higher res modes. I won't get W98/NT or whatever until Microsoft promises this... -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kivryn_H Subject: (fractint) Re: fractint-digest V1 #157 Date: 06 Apr 1998 11:49:10 -0500 Wizzle wrote concerning color maps in par: > We'd just > need to make sure the newbies can figure out how to > load the maps via the > par format Thank you Wizzle for remembering us newbies. It's really easy for us to feel left out sometimes. :) Also, can these new colors be used in other fractal programs? Regards, Kivryn - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Jakubowicz Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems... Date: 06 Apr 1998 17:12:51 -0400 >I find the same problem with my NT machine at work which has a different video >card (cirrus logic ) , it won't run a full screen dos session any higher than 640x480x256 ... which is the maximum that >was available on the original VGA cards which is what the HAL is probably designed around. > >Disk video should work however so you can use the low res mode to search for the >right image, switch to disk video to render it, then display the resultant file using a windows image viewing program... >a bit long winded but workable. This is the exact problem I have running Fractint under Win95 w/ my new Diamond Fire GL 1000 Pro card: which I agree is better than not being able run it at all, but still anyone considering this card shld be aware of this potential problem. On the other hand, if someone buys it and figures out how to make Fractint run at high rez, I wld sure appreciate hearing from them, as I have exhausted my admittedly small back of tricks :) - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 06 Apr 1998 18:19:53 -0600 Morgan wrote: > I agree with Gedeon. It's a LOT easier to write programs to work with .map > files than .par files. How is the "colors=" string translate to a palette > anyway? It can be figured out, but it's not something one can take in at a > glance. As Gedeon himself pointed out, you can convert the maps from PAR format to MAP format. Fractint already does this, and we will likely make a one-step batch procedure to make it easier. Seems to me that 100K is a lot to add to the size of the fractint distribution. 25K is not so bad. SO getting the maps in PAR format is necessary if you want all the maps. Otherwise the coice is 1/4 as many maps in map format. Tim - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle Date: 06 Apr 1998 17:53:37 -0700 Hi Fractintiers There are formulas that seem to just beam of good pictures right out of the wrapper. When we explore fractals, we use one of two methods, 1) use an existing formula and dial in parameters a) at random b) with good idea of what we want 2) create a new formula and dial in parameters a) at random b) with good idea of what we want Now, assume this 2x2 search method space and given the universe of posted fractals (on this list and on web pages), what would you think is the life cycle of a formula? Clearly the classic MSet formula with perhaps extensions like power and initial z as parameters has the most pictures of any and is staying ahead by an ever increasing amount. But that may be because it is a convenient starting point. We see new formula posted here nearly every day. These include one or maybe half a dozen pars (pictures). Then some subscribers may explore around a little and save one or two more on their disk. Then most of these formula are set aside. There seems to be a 'potential for good fractals' coefficient associated with some formula that others just don't have. I've run across a few that, no matter how I fiddle them, they just give mostly hash. Others seem to give pretty good results for most settings. What makes a great formula great? What are the best formulas to come to this list? I suspect out of the thousands out there, only about half a dozen have generated the bulk of really good pictures. But then again, are the best pictures generated from obscure formula? Any thoughts? Jay - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Turner Rentz" Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle Date: 03 Apr 1998 21:20:37 -0500 The answer is that the mind pursues 'beauty' by seeking fractal relationships. This is profound, but then Michael Barnsley's adage comes to mind- fractals are everywhere.. If Iterated Systems hasn't finished compression or the .fif file end up being as popular as the lossy jpg file format - the bandwidth of the net is too finite for our information to travel it beautifully. -----Original Message----- > >Hi Fractintiers > >There are formulas that seem to just beam of good pictures >right out of the wrapper. > >When we explore fractals, we use one of two methods, > >1) use an existing formula and dial in parameters > a) at random > b) with good idea of what we want > >2) create a new formula and dial in parameters > a) at random > b) with good idea of what we want > >Now, assume this 2x2 search method space and given the >universe of posted fractals (on this list and on web pages), >what would you think is the life cycle of a formula? Clearly >the classic MSet formula with perhaps extensions like power >and initial z as parameters has the most pictures of any and >is staying ahead by an ever increasing amount. But that may >be because it is a convenient starting point. > >We see new formula posted here nearly every day. These >include one or maybe half a dozen pars (pictures). Then >some subscribers may explore around a little and save one >or two more on their disk. Then most of these formula are set >aside. > >There seems to be a 'potential for good fractals' coefficient >associated with some formula that others just don't have. I've >run across a few that, no matter how I fiddle them, they just give >mostly hash. Others seem to give pretty good results for most >settings. > >What makes a great formula great? What are the best formulas >to come to this list? I suspect out of the thousands out there, >only about half a dozen have generated the bulk of really >good pictures. But then again, are the best pictures generated >from obscure formula? > >Any thoughts? > >Jay > > > > >- >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jiho Kim Subject: (fractint) Bailout condition Date: 06 Apr 1998 19:28:32 -0700 (PDT) I'm not sure if this been covered too, but I'll give it a shot. In the traditional mandelbrot formula, Mandelbrot {; classic z=0, c=pixel; z=z*z+c, |z|<=4 } The bailout condition is dependent on one function, |z|. Would it be valid to do something like, cos(z)<=exp(x)? - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: (fractint) Herman rings? Date: 06 Apr 1998 23:28:53 -0400 What are herman rings?... I've heard about them, but I'm not sure which phenomenon they name... Are they the spirals and rings you sea in the 'seahorse valley'? Pete - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fabian Labeau Subject: (fractint) My first fractal (frog included, name tango) Date: 07 Apr 1998 01:00:51 -0300 Well, my first two fractals...formulae included (I`ve checked if they are original formulae using orgform, but I can=B4t be 100% sure...Please tell me if they aren=B4t). Maybe they aren=B4t amazing, but they are MY FIRST TWO!=20 BTW, I like frogs... uno! { ; Mi Primer Fractal! ; CalcTime 0:01:02.84 at 640x480 on a P100 ; Image Copyright Apr 07 1998 by Fabian Labeau ; e-mail to: andros@interactive.com.ar reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dmiprueba.frm formulaname=3DFulan= o center-mag=3D0.585765/-0.727015/15.40927 float=3Dy colors=3D000<35>x00z00z10<34>zx0zz0zz1<36>zzz<49>zz4zz3zz2zz0zy0zx0<50>y20= \ x00w00<30>200000000000000 } frog { ; Fractal frog (Name: Tango) ; CalcTime 0:00:35.43 at 640x480 on a P100 ; Image Copyright Apr 07 1998 by Fabian Labeau ; e-mail to: andros@interactive.com.ar reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dmiprueba.frm formulaname=3DTango center-mag=3D0/0/0.6666667 float=3Dy inside=3Dbof60 colors=3D242AC2EK6IK2MS6ISAM_EQ_AUgEU_6QS2Y_2ag6YgAaoEeoAiwEio6eg2mo2qw6uw= \ 2yv6uvAynEqvEmwAmvIqnMunIyfMufQyZUqfUmnQinUevQivMewIawMYoIYwQavUYvYanaYn\ eafiefeiZiifaenYmfYqZauZYyRauReyJiqRimZemRmqJquJmyBquBuy3yqBymJuiJyeRuiR\ qeZmaZqYfmYZuaRyUZyQfuUfqQnmMnqIvmInuMfyEnyAvu6vy2wu6wq2omAwmEvqEwiAoe6o\ i2ge6ga2_YAgYEoaIoYMwaIweMviQveUniUvaQwYUwUQoQUoMQgIMgMI_IIgQMoUEgUA_Q6_\ U2SQ6SM2KIASIE_MESEAKA6KE2CA6C6682AG6EG2MO2IO6IWEMWAQcEUcAQW6UW2ac2Yc6Yk\ EakAesEisAek6ik2ms6qs2yz2uz6yrAurEqzAmzEmrMqrIyjIujMybQubUqjQmjUerUirQiz\ IezMasIYsMazQYzUarYYraYjiajeebiibeejaijYmbaqbYyVYuVayNeuNiqVemVimNqqNmyF\ muFqy7uu7yqFumFyeNyiNuiVmeVqabmYbqaVuYVyQbyUbuUjmQjqMrmIrqMjuIjyEruAry2z\ y6zu2sq6smAzqEzmEseAsi2ki6ke2ca6cYAkaEkYMsYIsaIziMzeQriUreQzaUzYQsUUsQUk\ IQkMMcIIcMMkQIkUEcQAcU2WU6WQ2OM6OIAWMEWIEOAAOE2GE6GA286 } frm:Fulano { ; Fabian Labeau Abril 98 z=3Dpixel : a=3Dz-z^3 b=3Dz+pixel z=3Dz*(z^z)*pixel+(a^b), |z| <=3D 6 } frm:Tango { ; Fabian Labeau Abril 98 z=3Dpixel : a=3Dz/z^3 b=3Dz*pixel z=3Dz*(a^z)*pixel+(z^b), |z| <=3D 6 } Saludos Fabian Labeau andros@impsat1.com.ar andros@interactive.com.ar flabeau@bigfoot.com http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/3792 - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Fractal Reports w/Fractint stuff Date: 07 Apr 1998 00:27:11 -0500 Found on sci. fractals amongst the flood of messages pertaining to trolls and werewolves was this message that may be of interest to some of you: John de Rivaz wrote: > A new website with much to interest the Fractal enthusiast: > from a newsletter that appeared in the 1980s and early 1990s. > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5113/ > > -- > John de Rivaz, publisher. Some of the Fractal Reports contain articles with Fractint formula and parameter files you might want to read. Bob Margolis - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Fractal Reports w/Fractint stuff Date: 07 Apr 1998 00:27:11 -0500 Found on sci. fractals amongst the flood of messages pertaining to trolls and werewolves was this message that may be of interest to some of you: John de Rivaz wrote: > A new website with much to interest the Fractal enthusiast: > from a newsletter that appeared in the 1980s and early 1990s. > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5113/ > > -- > John de Rivaz, publisher. Some of the Fractal Reports contain articles with Fractint formula and parameter files you might want to read. Bob Margolis - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Kaplan Subject: Re: (fractint) Monitor and video cards Date: 06 Apr 1998 11:05:34 -0400 (EDT) > > I think the Prince and I have settled on the Matrox Millenium II card > recommended by someone on this list. What do you all think of the 19" > Optiquest monitor? Anyone one have a 19" MAG?? (I currently have a MAG > 14"). The MAG is about $100 cheaper than the Optiquest...but I'm willing to > pop for the extra bucks if it's worth while since I mostly do graphics with > my puter. I haven't seen the 19" MAG or the Optiquest, but my general experience with MAG isn't really great. Reviews suggest that the best 19" monitors in the normal price range are the compaq v90, the hitachi, and maybe the NEC... of course, the ideal is to go look at all the monitors running fractint, but with big monitors such a setup can be hard to find... Buying good monitors, however, is one of the best investments in PC-land, because 1) it makes a difference for EVERYTHING you do and 2) a really good monitor can often outlive two or three computer upgrades. - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Kaplan Subject: Re: (fractint) Monitor and video cards Date: 06 Apr 1998 11:05:34 -0400 (EDT) > > I think the Prince and I have settled on the Matrox Millenium II card > recommended by someone on this list. What do you all think of the 19" > Optiquest monitor? Anyone one have a 19" MAG?? (I currently have a MAG > 14"). The MAG is about $100 cheaper than the Optiquest...but I'm willing to > pop for the extra bucks if it's worth while since I mostly do graphics with > my puter. I haven't seen the 19" MAG or the Optiquest, but my general experience with MAG isn't really great. Reviews suggest that the best 19" monitors in the normal price range are the compaq v90, the hitachi, and maybe the NEC... of course, the ideal is to go look at all the monitors running fractint, but with big monitors such a setup can be hard to find... Buying good monitors, however, is one of the best investments in PC-land, because 1) it makes a difference for EVERYTHING you do and 2) a really good monitor can often outlive two or three computer upgrades. - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shauna Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 06 Apr 1998 20:35:14 -1000 On 5 Apr 98 at 16:22, Marie Drozdis wrote: > If any of you work for an academic institution, you > can get the *full* CorelDraw8 program in an academic > edition (meaning without manual) for around a hundred > dollars. I think that being a student is sufficient, also. > Third-party manuals are readily available. The "academic" edition (I have it, too, just v7 though) has the full manuals on the CD in Envoy format. The Envoy reader is included (Envoy was a competitor of Acrobat). It comes with some fractal plugins, I think, but I can use Fractint images as textures in Corel, so I'm happy. Another blast of bits from David Visit our not-so-boring web page: http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/ Visit the Hawaii Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net Random Thought for this Nanosecond Captain, why not just give the Borg Windows 3.1? - Worf - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Bailout condition Date: 07 Apr 1998 00:03:22 -0700 > From: Jiho Kim > > In the traditional mandelbrot formula, > > Mandelbrot {; classic > z=0, c=pixel; > z=z*z+c, > |z|<=4 > } > > The bailout condition is dependent on one function, |z|. Would it be > valid to do something like, cos(z)<=exp(x)? Well, what do you mean by this? What is x? Do you really mean c? Also, z is complex, so is cos(z). Therefore you need to convert cos(z) to a real by selecting real or imaginary part or abs. So, with c also complex, you might write |cos(z)| <= |exp(c)| Now exp is like changing polar to rectangular, so this is like |cos(z)| <= |exp(real(c))| So let's experiment. Try this frm:Kim_frm {; for Jiho Kim z=0, c=pixel; z=z*z+c, |cos(z)| <= |exp(c)| } kims { ; for Jiho Kim reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=kim.frm formulaname=Kim_frm center-mag=1.33227e-015/-8.88178e-016/0.5 float=y maxiter=256 inside=bof60 colors=000000<28>uISwJTwKT<37>wuTwwU\ vwU<37>2w10x00z0<30>020000000<14>000\ 110330<29>zz0<30>220000000<29>000 } Not much, but who knows, a few more tweaks... or maybe a hammer blow. Jay - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 06 Apr 1998 07:37:45 -0700 Some sort of option to JUST save the colormap part of a par would be pretty neat too.....or can we do this already and I don't know how? I'd certainly be stymied if I didn't have that nice little pallet of colors to look at when making a new map. I'd never be able to just write a map as a par. I'd like to be able to compare two or more of those pallets at once, myself. Sometimes I get a little TOO subtle and can't tell which map to ditch. I'd know if I could compare the pallets visually. Is there a utility out there already for this? One that was Windows based would be really nice!!! Throw in the ability to re-name the maps and sort them into different folders and you'd have a very handy tool that I would use a lot. Heck....toss in the par-writing feature too!! Angela At 11:29 PM 4/5/98 -0400, you wrote: >Paul Derbyshire wrote: > >> >Everyone note that we haven't decided to distribute maps as PAR >> >files, we are just considering it. .... >> >> I say ditch the map format altogether, use par-interface for svaing and >> loading maps in 20.0. > >To distribute maps as PAR files is one thing, to ditch the MAP format altogether >is quite another. Why make obsolete a number of programs available to work with >map files, even if they are in some sense redundant to Fractint's own palette >editor? Why ditch a format which provides some insight as to what is going on, >through inspection in a text editor, and replace it with a string of >unintelligible symbols as a sole record of colors? > >Gedeon > > >- >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) Par (In memorium) Date: 06 Apr 1998 07:18:04 -0700 At 12:18 PM 4/5/98 -0400, you wrote: >I learned yesterday that a friend had passed away over a year ago. His >absence had been wondered at... >"Bat" was a true gentleman and friend and very helpful for those in need. >Image posted in abpf, the par I thought I would post here. > > > >Keith { ; From Kerry Mitchell's Bubbleboth_man frm. > ; <> This par was a very lovely tribute to your friend. My condolences on losing someone who was so meaningful to you. Angela - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jerry Fox Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle Date: 07 Apr 1998 08:51:02 -0300 (BST) Jay Hill wrote: > What makes a great formula great? What are the best formulas > to come to this list? I suspect out of the thousands out there, > only about half a dozen have generated the bulk of really > good pictures. But then again, are the best pictures generated > from obscure formula? It might be significant that the original Mandel formaula is one of the simplest of all. Personally I find the formulas with no IF..ELSE elements more satisfying than the 'constructed' ones - I noticed one set of formulas that draws alphanumerics on the screen! Is there a relationship between the complexity of the formula and its longevity? Jerry Fox - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 07 Apr 1998 05:15:42 -0400 At 08:35 PM 4/6/98 -1000, you wrote: On 5 Apr 98 at 16:22, Marie Drozdis wrote: If any of you work for an academic institution, you can get the *full* CorelDraw8 program in an academic edition (meaning without manual) for around a hundred dollars. Does one request the program directly from Corel? Or must one go through the institution? In my case it would be U. of Md... davides@pipeline.com Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James R. McKenzie" Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 07 Apr 1998 02:35:30 -0700 (PDT) I've seen SURPLUS DIRECT offer Academic Versions of serveral programs most being the latest versions too. URL below http://www.surplusdirect.com They specialize in clearance sales and deals but they do carry new stuff too. Can't hurt to look can it? L8R James R. McKenzie WHOOKAM88@YAHOO.COM _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Montgomery Subject: (fractint) Thanks to Wizzle Date: 06 Apr 1998 11:59:37 -0600 Angela; Thanks for visiting Antennae. It's a start - of what I don't know, but a start nevertheless. It was good of you to take the time to stop by. Ray Montgommery - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aq936@freenet.carleton.ca (Michael Traynor) Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 07 Apr 1998 07:20:15 -0400 (EDT) >Another blast of bits from David > >Random Thought for this Nanosecond >Captain, why not just give the Borg Windows 3.1? - Worf Hey, you really want to distract them? Give them Fractint, sign them up to the fractint and fractal art lists and give them a 486/33 to run it on. That should keep anyone busy! -- Mike Traynor People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like. Abraham Lincoln - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jiho Kim Subject: (fractint) Bailout condition Date: 06 Apr 1998 19:28:32 -0700 (PDT) I'm not sure if this been covered too, but I'll give it a shot. In the traditional mandelbrot formula, Mandelbrot {; classic z=0, c=pixel; z=z*z+c, |z|<=4 } The bailout condition is dependent on one function, |z|. Would it be valid to do something like, cos(z)<=exp(x)? - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems... Date: 06 Apr 1998 07:11:58 -0700 I thought Sylvie has written a driver for the Millenium II card and that it works just fine with that. Was I wrong? We are in buying mode big time here at Chez Wizzle. Please advise ASAP. Angela P.s. so what DOES work with Fractint. I'm getting a 19" monitor so need an 8mgb card at least. At 04:03 AM 4/6/98 EDT, you wrote: > No! Stop! Don't buy the Matrox Millenium II just yet! Sorry, >Angela, I >could have spoken sooner, but I didn't want to bother the list with a >problem >like this. > I've just moved into a lab here with 2 brand new, identical >awesome >computers, 300 MHz, 21" NEC monitors, Matrox Millenium II videocard with >8 MB, etc, etc... AND... The damn things won't run fractint at anything >over >(I think) SF3, (a pathetic and unusably low res videomode.) I've tried >downloading >the latest drivers from Matrox, but it made no difference. Now, this may >be a >Windows NT's fault, it's more than likely, so I don't want to warn you >off of >Matrox, Wizzle, I just wanted to alert you to a potential problem. It's >probably >fine with Win95. (Stick with it, you're right!) > > But what should I do? Any ideas? I didn't want to ask such an >annoying >question as "help, I can't get fractint to run..." Does anyone >out there use >fractint on NT successfully (must be, right?) I guess the important >question >is, has anyone ever had this kind of problem and figured out a way around >it? > I drool for the raw speed and ultra deep fractals that I hope >lie ahead. I want SF9!! > >Thanks for the help. >(And enjoy your new computer, Wizzle!) > >Jonathan Wolfe, Ph.D >SkyDyes >2917 Campus Blvd. NE >Albuquerque, NM 87106 >(505)-266-1468 - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Turner Rentz" Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle Date: 03 Apr 1998 21:20:37 -0500 The answer is that the mind pursues 'beauty' by seeking fractal relationships. This is profound, but then Michael Barnsley's adage comes to mind- fractals are everywhere.. If Iterated Systems hasn't finished compression or the .fif file end up being as popular as the lossy jpg file format - the bandwidth of the net is too finite for our information to travel it beautifully. -----Original Message----- > >Hi Fractintiers > >There are formulas that seem to just beam of good pictures >right out of the wrapper. > >When we explore fractals, we use one of two methods, > >1) use an existing formula and dial in parameters > a) at random > b) with good idea of what we want > >2) create a new formula and dial in parameters > a) at random > b) with good idea of what we want > >Now, assume this 2x2 search method space and given the >universe of posted fractals (on this list and on web pages), >what would you think is the life cycle of a formula? Clearly >the classic MSet formula with perhaps extensions like power >and initial z as parameters has the most pictures of any and >is staying ahead by an ever increasing amount. But that may >be because it is a convenient starting point. > >We see new formula posted here nearly every day. These >include one or maybe half a dozen pars (pictures). Then >some subscribers may explore around a little and save one >or two more on their disk. Then most of these formula are set >aside. > >There seems to be a 'potential for good fractals' coefficient >associated with some formula that others just don't have. I've >run across a few that, no matter how I fiddle them, they just give >mostly hash. Others seem to give pretty good results for most >settings. > >What makes a great formula great? What are the best formulas >to come to this list? I suspect out of the thousands out there, >only about half a dozen have generated the bulk of really >good pictures. But then again, are the best pictures generated >from obscure formula? > >Any thoughts? > >Jay > > > > >- >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Matrox proble Date: 07 Apr 1998 09:10:10 -0400 Angela, >>I thought Sylvie has written a driver for the Millenium II card and tha= t it works just fine with that. Was I wrong? We are in buying mode big time= here at Chez Wizzle. Please advise ASAP.<< Both Les St Clair and I have 8Mb Maatrox Millienium II cards. Fractint works great with it both under DOS 6.2.2 and Windows 95. NT is the probl= em here. Lee Skinner - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Kaplan Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox proble Date: 07 Apr 1998 09:35:51 -0400 (EDT) > Both Les St Clair and I have 8Mb Maatrox Millienium II cards. Fractint > works great with it both under DOS 6.2.2 and Windows 95. NT is the problem > here. > > Lee Skinner > There's a pretty fair chance that NT 5 will correct this problem or allow Matrox to write drivers that correct this problem; NT5 makes a major move towards Microsoft's dreams of a common kernel that is expected to make DOS compatibility a bit better... Of course, this being a Microsoft product, there's a fair chance that this won't really end up working, and that NT will continue to miss multitudes of release dates; but a semi-functional beta 3 release of the OS is fairly widely availible for testing, so if anyone wants to try fractint on it... - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jiho Kim Subject: Re: (fractint) Bailout condition Date: 07 Apr 1998 06:36:03 -0700 (PDT) I couldn't get a interesting image from z=z^2+c and the bailout condition that I made, but I got an interesting image from z=sin(z)+c. FRM:From_Jiho1 { ; Jiho Kim z = 0, c = Pixel: z = sin(z)+c, |fn1(z+p1)| > |fn2(z)| } fractal6 { ; Public Domain ; hard to describe reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=jiho.frm formulaname=From_Jiho1 function=exp/cos center-mag=+796.50820489757170000/-2.16604971052968700/1.004576e+009/0.7\ 5 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=2147483647 bailout=6 inside=maxiter potential=255/255/0 colors=00z<6>zzz<7>z0000u<6>uuu<7>u0000p<6>ppp<7>p0000k<6>kkk<7>k0000f<6\ >fff<7>f0000a<6>aaa<7>a0000X<6>XXX<7>X0000S<6>SSS<7>S0050X<6>SSS<7>X05A0\ a<6>XXX<7>a0AF0f<6>aaa<7>f0FK0k<6>fff<7>k0KP0p<6>kkk<7>p0PU0u<6>ppp<7>u0\ UZ0z<6>uuu<7>z0Zc0z<6>zzz<7>z0c } fractal7 { ; Public Domain reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=jiho.frm formulaname=From_Jiho1 function=sqr/cos center-mag=0/0/0.007107235 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=2147483647 bailout=6 inside=maxiter potential=255/255/0 colors=00z<6>zzz<7>z0000u<6>uuu<7>u0000p<6>ppp<7>p0000k<6>kkk<7>k0000f<6\ >fff<7>f0000a<6>aaa<7>a0000X<6>XXX<7>X0000S<6>SSS<7>S0050X<6>SSS<7>X05A0\ a<6>XXX<7>a0AF0f<6>aaa<7>f0FK0k<6>fff<7>k0KP0p<6>kkk<7>p0PU0u<6>ppp<7>u0\ UZ0z<6>uuu<7>z0Zc0z<6>zzz<7>z0c } I'll work more on this later, I need to sleep! Regards, Jiho - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems... Date: 07 Apr 1998 09:37:56 -0400 Wizzle wrote: >>>I thought Sylvie has written a driver for the Millenium II card and that it works just fine with that. Was I wrong? We are in buying mode big time here at Chez Wizzle. Please advise ASAP. Angela P.s. so what DOES work with Fractint. I'm getting a 19" monitor so need an 8mgb card at least.<<< Get the Millenium. I have the original Matrox Millenium and am quite happy with it. I use OS/2 and Windows NT but there are many Fractint users that use the Matrox with 95. Fractint will not run in SVGA modes under NT but as others have stated this is because of NT, it has nothing to do with the card. Sylvie's Matrox driver for 1600x1200x256 is built into Fractint 19.6 and works fine. For 1280x1024x256, 1024x768, 800x600x256, etc., the Fractint VESA modes work fine. You only need a 4Mb card for 1600x1200x256 but you may want to get the 8Mb anyway for the future. I think it is more expensive if you upgrade later. The last I checked (about a year ago), the Millenium had better DOS compatibility than most other cards. Newer cards have fancy 3D features for the new Windows games but may not be 100% backward compatible with DOS. Also, be sure that your monitor will handle 1600x1200. If you have any other questions on video cards or monitors, I will be glad to try and answer them. You can send me email directly if it doesn't relate to fractals. Nick nick.grasso@hrads.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 07 Apr 1998 09:10:11 -0400 Tim, In light of all the discussion on the Fractint list about maps and color-only pars, I suggest two further color options when creating pars: 1) Colors-only (default=3Dno) This could also be put into sstools.ini when user wants do do a bunch= this way via makepar. 2) Interpolate Colors (default=3Dyes) This would allow the par-maker to insure exact colors in those rare cases where the color pars are interpolated differently from the actual o= r map file colors. Only if this option is implemented should map files be phased out as Derbyshire suggests. Lee - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: Re: (fractint) Herman rings? Date: 07 Apr 1998 07:30:47 PDT Nope...they'remore like Siegel disks with the center punched out. Only certain formulas produce them; and they all involve division. Check the archives for hring.frm and .par and nuclear.frm and .par. -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryan Jameson Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems... Date: 07 Apr 1998 08:45:18 -0700 At 07:14 AM 4/6/98 -0700, you wrote: >Oh goody goody goody!!! Not only do I get to buy the Matrox card but I can >rub the NT problem in the nose of my smart-*ss kid who thinks NT is the be >all and end all. Love it!!!! I'm resisting his push to NT-ize my new puter. > >Angela Why not just dual boot between both operating systems? That way you have the benefits of both. (Well... I guess the only benefits of 95 are running Fractint well, and games...) Ryan - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Jakubowicz Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems... Date: 06 Apr 1998 17:12:51 -0400 >I find the same problem with my NT machine at work which has a different video >card (cirrus logic ) , it won't run a full screen dos session any higher than 640x480x256 ... which is the maximum that >was available on the original VGA cards which is what the HAL is probably designed around. > >Disk video should work however so you can use the low res mode to search for the >right image, switch to disk video to render it, then display the resultant file using a windows image viewing program... >a bit long winded but workable. This is the exact problem I have running Fractint under Win95 w/ my new Diamond Fire GL 1000 Pro card: which I agree is better than not being able run it at all, but still anyone considering this card shld be aware of this potential problem. On the other hand, if someone buys it and figures out how to make Fractint run at high rez, I wld sure appreciate hearing from them, as I have exhausted my admittedly small back of tricks :) - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems... Date: 07 Apr 1998 10:19:06 -0500 Ryan, - Why not just dual boot between both operating systems? Because then you're wasting space installing two operating systems instead of one, and you have the headache of installing apps in both operating systems if you want to use them in both systems, or the nuisance of having to reboot if you want to use an app that's only installed on the other system. And there's the headaches of dealing with NT's security model, which is a pain in the neck for home use. I've got a dual-boot machine that I use, I did it only to test software. Otherwise I would not mess with NT. Dual-boot is not a good general solution, either; choosing a single operating system (usually 95) is. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Felix Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems... Date: 07 Apr 1998 10:52:10 -0500 Paul Derbyshire wrote: > Sadly, your computers are suffering from Windosis NTeritis. This is an > incurable condition marked by severe symptoms inculding an inability to > run DOS apps in SVGA modes. The only recourse is to humanely put the > afflicted machines to sleep. Then install W95. Ahhh, but then it'll still be suffering from acute microsoftisis, a common malady that many today find incurable. -- | Andrew Duhan | Cereal is g00d | | aduhan@ttu.edu | ICQ 10363110 | | http://chimera.acs.ttu.edu/~aduhan/ | - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robin bussell Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems... Date: 07 Apr 1998 16:53:20 +0100 Wizzle wrote: > > Oh goody goody goody!!! Not only do I get to buy the Matrox card but I can > rub the NT problem in the nose of my smart-*ss kid who thinks NT is the be > all and end all. Love it!!!! I'm resisting his push to NT-ize my new puter. > > Angela In the interests of family harmony I should point out here that you can easily set up NT to give you a choice of booting into DOS or NT at powerup time, (in fact mine can boot NT,95,win311,or DOS at my whim.... why??? because I can :-)... must add in Linux and OS/2 for good measure one day ) Just make sure that your kid doesn't allow the insatllation routine to convert the file system to NTFS when run (it asks you yes or no at an early stage of installation) as NTFS is an NT specific file system and then booting into DOS would be disabled as even if you booted dos from a floppy it wouldn't know how to read the HDD. Cheers, Robin. - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle Date: 07 Apr 1998 12:03:59 -0400 (EDT) At 05:53 PM 4/6/98 -0700, Jay Hill wrote: >Clearly the classic M-Set formula with perhaps extensions like >power and initial z as parameters has the most pictures of any >and is staying ahead by an ever increasing amount. > >What makes a great formula great? The classic M-set formula is out in front by a mile because it is the simplest and the richest fractal formula of all. It is a catalog of all its Julia sets. Its extended features are still there in its power and initial Z extensions. It is the standard to which all other formulas are ultimately compared. IMO, simplicity is the thing that makes a formula great. For me, the most fascinating thing about fractals is the way so much can come from so little. It is almost metaphysical to take a formula as simple as Z^2+C and watch it do the things it does. True, I use variations of the formula that draw the less familiar slices of the four-dimensional Julibrot which this formula creates, but this simply reveals more of the richness that the formula embodies. There appears to be a law of diminishing returns in fractal formulas, with every additional line adding less than the line above it. I have seen if/else formulas hundreds of lines long. I admire the skill and patience of those who write such program- formulas, but I wonder if it is worth it. The formula Z^2+C produces a great fractal; a 200-line formula produces a great fractal also, but if one searches, they can usually find parts of Z^2+C buried in the 200-line fractal. The fact is that regardless of how complex a formula becomes, the classic M-set with its radicals and midgets is usually lurking in the background. Part of the fun lies in finding and emphasizing these hidden M-set features. Now I've got to get my day's work finished so that there will be a FOTD this evening. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle Date: 07 Apr 1998 09:13:05 -0700 (MST) On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, Jay Hill wrote: > What makes a great formula great? What are the best formulas > to come to this list? I suspect out of the thousands out there, > only about half a dozen have generated the bulk of really > good pictures. But then again, are the best pictures generated > from obscure formula? I tend to concentrate on the standard Mandelbrot and Julia formulas for a few reasons: 1) Simplicity. They are simple formulas, so they're easy to compute and easy to modify. Also, it is in keeping with the philosophical idea of complexity from simplicity. Plus, I'm impatient, not wanting to wait for transcendental formulas to compute. And most new coloring schemes I develop for quadratics can be moved to other formulas. 2) Higher order formulas (e.g. z^58+c) don't add much diversity to the image (do they?), but they sure add a lot of structure. In other words, the quadratic Julias will have 2 similar parts, on either side of the origin. Quintic Julias (z^5+c) will have 5 similar parts, and all this needs to get "squeezed" into the image plane. So I find higher order fractals to be more crowded in general. Also, as the order increases, the range of interesting stuff becomes limited to a ring of radius 1; outside the ring, things diverge too quickly to be interesting, and inside, things converge too quickly. I find that the quadratics have a nice balance of similarility without execessive symmetry, and a balance of "whitespace" and structure. I think that, in general, a "good" formula should be simple. The basic calculation should be able to be performed in any high-level language, without "if/then" constructs. It should have one or a few critical points and well-defined boundaries. That makes it (relatively) easy to figure out something about the dynamics of the orbits, making it easier to wring neat stuff out of it. The standard Mandelbrot/Julia sets meet all these criteria. Of course, this doesn't mean that wonderful images can't be generated from any formula. It just may take more thought, imagination, and work. Kerry Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Montgomery Subject: (fractint) First of two pars Date: 07 Apr 1998 11:33:06 -0600 I'm sending two pars, but since I don't know, yet, how to send two at once I have to send them one at a time. Number one: Inflatable { ; Frima191-001 ; 3/28/98 ; elmont reset=1930 type=circle center-mag=+0.00000000000000000/+0.00000000000000000/0.6666667 params=20 float=y colors=000fWe<7>N9PbWJ<2>nn_mcP<7>c5KZ5L<2>rSc<3>Z5LbTJ<11>httkUL<7>U1Kg\ VL<3>U3CaUH<11>ptXwww000<56>000eYM<12>dqbhUM<3>xIReXL<10>eWKeWKeUJ<11>aB\ 7WeVMndCwnaVM<7>27XdUO<8>N1ncWL<11>B8AdSN<4>X0ZgkGjzAWbXMhiBovdWK<12>F91\ bYK<9>5q2cXM<3>UWUdWNSWW<2>LV` } Ray Montgomery - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Montgomery Subject: (fractint) Second of two pars Date: 07 Apr 1998 11:44:46 -0600 Here is the second. Sorry about the flaw in the upper section of the image, but my computer is gradually misbehaving. Par number two: MetalPetalSpiral { ; Frima191-002 ; 4/7/98 ; elmont reset=1930 type=complexnewton passes=b center-mag=+0.10031347962382440/-0.04522613065326631/2.109705 params=7/-1.3/1/2 float=y maxiter=2500 periodicity=0 colors=000itTecoFGAFJBFMCBOA<4>HfL_SStejI01<8>n9OrARvBUzDX8`U1xmHJKKPUNU\ cTcu2IeLGB<3>zgZFEB<11>MIlNJoOJrPKvAA5<7>mojoqlFEA<10>5DGFGC<9>FceEfhFEA\ <12>CHLKEE<6>rGlHGA<9>ghDN`TVwkGEA<14>cOJGED<6>S9_FGA<13>2r1GEB<14>_8Wks\ SEEA<8>09DJID<7>vqbGHA<3>OUDEHB<6>5fJVUAkjBLHE<3>hTWFI9nW`tZe<13>AMb<7>Q\ mFTqCUqD<9>gsR } Since this whole thing is and has been a learning experience for me I would appreciate comments, good or bad. Thanks Ray - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems... Date: 07 Apr 1998 14:44:47 -0400 Angela wrote: >> I thought Sylvie has written a driver for the Millenium II card and >> that it works just fine with that. Was I wrong? We are in buying mode >> big time here at Chez Wizzle. Please advise ASAP. I haven't written a *driver*!!! It's just the entry I added to fractint.cfg that works fine with my 2mb Millennium at 1600x1200. - Sylvie - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James R. McKenzie" Subject: Re: (fractint) Bailout condition Date: 07 Apr 1998 11:43:15 -0700 (PDT) I couldn't get a interesting image from z=z^2+c and the bailout condition that I made, but I got an interesting image from z=sin(z)+c. FRM:From_Jiho1 { ; Jiho Kim z = 0, c = Pixel: z = sin(z)+c, |fn1(z+p1)| > |fn2(z)| } fractal6 { ; Public Domain ; hard to describe reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=jiho.frm formulaname=From_Jiho1 function=exp/cos center-mag=+796.50820489757170000/-2.16604971052968700/1.004576e+009/0.7\ 5 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=2147483647 bailout=6 inside=maxiter potential=255/255/0 colors=00z<6>zzz<7>z0000u<6>uuu<7>u0000p<6>ppp<7>p0000k<6>kkk<7>k0000f<6\ >fff<7>f0000a<6>aaa<7>a0000X<6>XXX<7>X0000S<6>SSS<7>S0050X<6>SSS<7>X05A0\ a<6>XXX<7>a0AF0f<6>aaa<7>f0FK0k<6>fff<7>k0KP0p<6>kkk<7>p0PU0u<6>ppp<7>u0\ UZ0z<6>uuu<7>z0Zc0z<6>zzz<7>z0c } fractal7 { ; Public Domain reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=jiho.frm formulaname=From_Jiho1 function=sqr/cos center-mag=0/0/0.007107235 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=2147483647 bailout=6 inside=maxiter potential=255/255/0 colors=00z<6>zzz<7>z0000u<6>uuu<7>u0000p<6>ppp<7>p0000k<6>kkk<7>k0000f<6\ >fff<7>f0000a<6>aaa<7>a0000X<6>XXX<7>X0000S<6>SSS<7>S0050X<6>SSS<7>X05A0\ a<6>XXX<7>a0AF0f<6>aaa<7>f0FK0k<6>fff<7>k0KP0p<6>kkk<7>p0PU0u<6>ppp<7>u0\ UZ0z<6>uuu<7>z0Zc0z<6>zzz<7>z0c } I'll work more on this later, I need to sleep! Regards, Jiho Sleep! You still do that silly thing? I thought computers & fractals did away with that silliness. 8-> James R. McKenzie WHOOKAM88@YAHOO.COM _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems... Date: 07 Apr 1998 14:07:00 -0500 Sylvie, - I haven't written a *driver*!!! It's just the entry I added to - fractint.cfg that works fine with my 2mb Millennium at 1600x1200. Is it my imagination, or does this line (labeled "Millennium VESA Mode") already exist in the FRACTINT.CFG file distributed with FractInt? When using the Millennium, one can just scroll down to it after pressing DEL to select resolution... The other common mode number (120) has worked for my other video cards; I think only the Millennium I used at one time wanted 11c instead. The other one (120) is listed as "VESA Standard Interface", I think--it's hard to tell because I've modified my FRACTINT.CFG so many times. :) Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryan Jameson Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems... Date: 07 Apr 1998 12:12:21 -0700 At 10:19 AM 4/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >Ryan, > > - Why not just dual boot between both operating systems? > >Because then you're wasting space installing two operating systems instead It's not wasted if you are using both of them. I use NT for my powerful programs such as Autocad, and 3d Studio Max, and would not dream of running them in 95. (we run Autocad in 95 at work, and boy does it suck) >of one, and you have the headache of installing apps in both operating >systems if you want to use them in both systems, or the nuisance of having >to reboot if you want to use an app that's only installed on the other Naa.a.. just put all the apps that you need to work with in NT, and put all the programs that you play with in 95. So, lessee, most of my internet, games, and fractint are in 95. All my photo editing, 3d programs and html editors are in NT, along with a few internet tools (ftp and browser) There really isn't that many duplicate programs. >system. And there's the headaches of dealing with NT's security model, >which is a pain in the neck for home use. Home use? That implies that you have a family that you let use your computer. Ack! I could never do that. People do too many stupid things. Then they expect you to fix it... The first thing that I did when I bought my last computer was to declare that NOBODY installs anything on it except for me. I don't let anyone use NT either... you're right, it would be a pain to set it up for others. Luckily, I don't have too many people who want or need to use my computer. Ryan >I've got a dual-boot machine that I use, I did it only to test software. >Otherwise I would not mess with NT. Dual-boot is not a good general >solution, either; choosing a single operating system (usually 95) is. - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems... Date: 07 Apr 1998 14:29:25 -0500 Ryan, - It's not wasted if you are using both of them. I use NT for my powerful - programs such as Autocad, and 3d Studio Max, and would not dream of running - them in 95. (we run Autocad in 95 at work, and boy does it suck) Sure, I believe Autocad in Win95 sucks. But how many people do you really think there are that run Autocad and Max at home? This would fall under the "special requirements" category. There are people who will need dual-booting, but most people who are using a home computer do not. - Naa.a.. just put all the apps that you need to work with in NT, and put all - the programs that you play with in 95. This still requires a reboot when you want to switch between "work" and "play". Not exactly convenient! Everyday work apps like a word processor will run fine under Win95. - Home use? That implies that you have a family that you let use your - computer. Ack! I could never do that. People do too many stupid things. Sure, my brother has a PC that his whole family uses. After re-installing the entire system a couple of times, he's finally drilled into them that they are not to install anything or they risk being beheaded. :) But he's not rushing to install NT on this *home* system just to keep them from doing so, and although he's had several opportunities to set up a dual-boot system, he hasn't done it. My point, Ryan, was that for _normal_ home use, installing both NT and 95 is more trouble than it is worth, because of the problems I mentioned. You state that there's little overlap between work and play; that may be true for you (for me it is a little blurred) but that still doesn't get around the reboot inconvenience. Why put up with that inconvenience just for the privilege of running NT? When a single operating system--Windows 95--will do the job sufficiently for a _home_ system? I'm not knocking NT--it has its uses--I just don't like people pushing a product on a person, or a complicated system, when they don't really need it. People don't want to fiddle with operating systems, they want to work and play. I once overheard a salesman sell a woman PageMaker because she wanted to write a few letters... I had to leave before strangling the man. :) Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems... Date: 07 Apr 1998 16:35:39 -0400 Damien, >> Is it my imagination, or does this line (labeled "Millennium VESA >> Mode") already exist in the FRACTINT.CFG file distributed with >> FractInt? I know this line already exists because I was the one who added it to t= he fractint.cfg distributed with Fractint about 2 years ago! :-) - Sylvie - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: (fractint) CD writer Date: 07 Apr 1998 13:46:26 -0700 (MST) Last weekend, I bought a CD-RW writer so I could archive my larger fractals and so I could send files larger than 100MB to service bureaus. Just for kicks, I decided to see how big an image would fit on the cd. If you take a picture of a monitor at 1600 x 1200 resolution, and have the picture printed to 8" x 6", that's 200 dpi resolution, which is not bad. At that same resolution, a cd will hold a fractal that is over 5 feet by 7 feet! Calculating something that big is the easy part. Getting the money together to have it printed is the toughie. If anyone wants their favorite (Fractint) fractal done up big and written to a cd, let me know and we can probably work something out (let's see...at a penny per pixel... :-) Kerry Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thaddaeus Parker" Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle Date: 08 Apr 1998 00:50:21 +0200 I personally like the simple pars, with simple color schemes. Even though I have had an on again off again relationship with fractint, I still find myself overpowered by the draw the chaotic yet simple M-Set. This is my first posted par and I haven't had the chance to see every par that is out there. Please give some feed back. Thadd ICQ# 3304633 HellsLightning {;(c)Thaddaeus Parker 1998 ;Very simple and too the point, reset=1960 type=mandel center-mag=-1.55131/3.7439e-007/387.4962/0.9998 params=0/0 logmode=fly colors=@volcano.map } - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: Re: (fractint) Herman rings? Date: 07 Apr 1998 18:51:29 -0400 Great! Now what are Siegel disks? :) |Nope...they'remore like Siegel disks with the center punched out. Only |certain formulas produce them; and they all involve division. Check the |archives for hring.frm and .par and nuclear.frm and .par. Pete P.S. I'm not much of a terminology person :) - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: (fractint) About Ray Date: 07 Apr 1998 16:19:52 -0700 Hi, all! I hope Ray doesn't mind this, but I wanted to share a little with you all. Ray has been fractaling for a number of years, but par files are new to him. So he's NEVER been able to share his fractals with anyone before now! Now, he's THRILLED to be able to share them with us. As fractaholics, we all understand that feeling. Also, he's using a machine with a hard drive of 540K, and right now he's only able to get a resolution of 320x240. That's one of the reasons I put his 800x600 fractal up at Geocities. (http://www.geocities.com/~gumbycat/raym.html) Anyway, I find him to be a amazing person! I just wanted to share that. Linda - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle Date: 07 Apr 1998 16:52:12 -0700 Thaddaeus wrote >I personally like the simple pars, with simple color schemes. Even though I >have had an on again off again relationship with fractint, I still find >myself overpowered by the draw the chaotic yet simple M-Set. This is my >first posted par and I haven't had the chance to see every par that is out >there. Please give some feed back. OK, good. And now you can modify the colors easily, I like the idea of your post. So here is a little exploring - rotate the lightning to hit the ground and change the colors a little, yellow on red. If you zoom into the branches here, you can get the lightning to zig-zag in crazy patterns. When you zoom in, the iterations increase, so rotate the palette to keep the color pattern. Have fun... Jay HellsLightning-2 { ; after Thaddaeus Parker, 1998 reset=1960 type=mandel center-mag=-1.55131/-3.5111e-007/387.3585/1.0002/-72.503/-0.009 params=0/0 logmode=fly colors=000FFF<10>wA0<8>m6U<2>T4I<16>wwKPO0<19>xv0zx0zz0<30>zzxzzzzzz<61>\ zV1zU0zU0zT0<28>z10z00z00y00<30>c00b11a11`22_22<25>FFF } HellsLightning-3 { ; after Thaddaeus Parker 1998 reset=1960 type=mandel center-mag=-1.55099057322830200/-0.00032650891251806/5.5912e+007/1/-119.\ 428/-1.431 params=0/0 float=y logmode=fly colors=000c00<27>GEEFFFFFFFFF<10>wA0<8>m6U<2>T4I<16>wwKPO0<19>xv0zx0zz0<\ 30>zzxzzzzzz<61>zV1zU0zU0zT0<28>z10z00z00y00<29>c00 } - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 07 Apr 1998 19:12:22 -0600 Lee wrote: >I suggest two further color options when creating pars: > > 1) Colors-only (default=no) > This could also be put into sstools.ini when user wants do do a bunch > this way via makepar. Ahhh ... what does this option do? > 2) Interpolate Colors (default=yes) > > This would allow the par-maker to insure exact colors in those rare > cases where the color pars are interpolated differently from the actual or > map file colors. Again I don't understand. How do I guarantee exact colors? The only way I know to do this is to use map files. For the uninitiated, be aware that the algorithm that encodes and compresses colors when writing the colors= line in PARS is not 100% accurate. There are cases where it is off a bit. Perhaps some of the experienced folks could upload a map which when saved in a PAR as colors= and then converted back does not give exactly the correct result. This is not generally a concern but could be an issue for very critical work. So far no one has been able to identify exactly when the algorithm rounds the wrong way so it could be fixed. Tim - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John W. Evans" Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 08 Apr 1998 01:56:45 GMT on 07 Apr 98, fractint@lists.xmission.com wrote... >At 08:35 PM 4/6/98 -1000, you wrote: >On 5 Apr 98 at 16:22, Marie Drozdis wrote: > > If any of you work for an academic institution, you > can get the *full* CorelDraw8 program in an academic > edition (meaning without manual) for around a hundred > dollars. > >Does one request the program directly from Corel? Or must one go through >the institution? In my case it would be U. of Md... > >davides@pipeline.com >Back up my hard drive? >How do I put it in reverse? > > My wife produced a copy of her contract of emploment as a part-time lecturer to a software retailer who was advertising the academic CoreDraw8 and that was accepted as sufficient evidence. BTW I like it and Corel Photo-Paint which is included for image manipulation including PNG but for quick viewing and batch conversion to PNG (for more economic storage of images) I use Thumbsplus. Hope this helps John Evans - >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 07 Apr 1998 21:15:35 -0400 Tim, > 1) Colors-only (default=3Dno) >>Ahhh ... what does this option do? Makes a par with only the name, {, colors=3D ..., and }. Not even a res= et=3D! > 2) Interpolate Colors (default=3Dyes) > = >>Again I don't understand. How do I guarantee exact colors? The only = way I know to do this is to use map files.<< You would output triplets for each color - no colors interpolation. An e= xact, but very long par. Lee - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle Date: 07 Apr 1998 20:33:26 -0500 (CDT) This discussion comes at a good time for me, since I've been wondering about all the formulas I've been posting lately. I'd really appreciate some feedback, be it pro or con. >We see new formula posted here nearly every day. These >include one or maybe half a dozen pars (pictures). Then >some subscribers may explore around a little and save one >or two more on their disk. Then most of these formula are set >aside. I'm afraid that has probably been the fate of most, if not all, of the formulas I've posted to this list. The reason I've been posting formulas and pars to this list is not to show off images, but in the hope that people would use the methods to create their own images and perhaps extend the methods to other equations or to modify the methods to generate new effects. And although a few people posted some very nice images using my formulas or variations of them, the number has been few enough that I've wondered at times if: 1) there is enough interest in these types of formulas, or 2) people are put off by the size of the formulas (with all the IF-ELSE statements), or 3) people are put off by the somewhat gaudy colors I use (many look like a rainbow gone beserk), or 4) I've been posting them faster than people have time to experiment with them, or 5) people are finding them difficult to use. If it's because they are difficult to use, then it's probably my fault. Although I supplied extensive comments in the first few formulas I posted which explained how the formula worked, I didn't give much guidance on how to use the formulas. What I think makes my formulas more difficult to use than most are: 1) because they were developed using geometry, the formulas don't lend themselves to a random choice of parameters, 2) it is difficult to locate interesting areas to zoom into in my Mset formulas because the pseudo-3D image elements tend to overwhelm the fine detail in the "overall" Mset, and 3) Julia set coordinates can't be obtained from the Msets as they can with the builtin Mandelbrot set and selecting coordinates at random isn't likely to result in a nice image. Sometime in the near future I'll try to post some tips that will make it easier to use the formulas I have posted and will post. As far as colors go, I definitely can use some help here. I really appreciated it when Sylvie and Wizzle supplied some new colormaps for my formulas. The reason I developed the orbit_trap-ratio-color_range methodology was because I have no artistic talent and I needed a way for my programs to automatically generate decent looking images using a few simple standard colormaps. >What makes a great formula great? If by great you mean a formula that's widely used by people of all levels of experience and math skill to produce a wide variety of beautiful images, then I would put the great formulas into two classes: 1) formulas like the classic Mandelbrot set that have a wealth of ever-changing detail at it's boundary and are simple to zoom into and, 2) Julia set formulas such as fn+fn, fn*fn and gravijul which lend themselves to experimentation by random input of parameters (I've seen outstanding images created with these three formulas by people with little fractal experience or math background). However, these may not be what you're talking about since each has so many combinations of parameters and functions that each is actually many formulas. Most of the formulas that I've posted are, for the most part, rendering methods wrapped around existing formulas. In general, my formulas produce nice images when the equations being iterated also produce nice images using the more standard rendering methods. Although my formulas may look formidable to some people (with lots of those IF-ELSE statements), the equations being iterated are generally simple and the images reflect that simplicity. The point is, the simpler the equation being iterated is, the more it lends itself to different rendering methods. >What are the best formulas to come to this list? I suspect >out of the thousands out there, only about half a dozen have >generated the bulk of really good pictures. The gravijul formula, judging by the number of pars which have been posted that generate beautiful images. >But then again, are the best pictures generated from obscure >formula? No. The best pictures are created from well-known formulas by artistically gifted people. This message has gotten almost as long as my formulas. :) Thanks for reading - hope to hear from some of you. Paul Carlson - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michelle Zulli" Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 07 Apr 1998 22:01:54 -0500 On 7 Apr 98, James R. McKenzie wrote: > I've seen SURPLUS DIRECT offer Academic Versions of serveral > programs most being the latest versions too. URL below > > http://www.surplusdirect.com [snip] If you're looking for academic pricing, try The Software Source . That's all they do. They list Photoshop 4.01 (full version for Windows) for $269. One neat thing to consider . . . The Software Source accepts membership in Ziff-Davis University as a qualifier. This is my first post to the list. I'm pretty green with Fractint. I'm in the playing around and going "wow" stage. Having lots of fun with it so far! Wow, Michelle - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 07 Apr 1998 22:02:22 -0400 At 01:56 AM 4/8/98 GMT, you wrote: >My wife produced a copy of her contract of emploment as >a part-time lecturer to a software retailer who was advertising >the academic CoreDraw8 and that was accepted as sufficient evidence. Good enough - I can take it from there (calling distributers and inquiring as to requirements and so on) >BTW I like it and Corel Photo-Paint which is included for image manipulation >including PNG but for quick viewing and batch conversion to PNG (for more >economic storage of images) I use Thumbsplus. For some reason I have not used several graphics programs lately which I have installed, including Thumbsplus, Bryce2, VistaPro 4.0, and other stuff...something to do with a couple of formulas in fractint... and lack of available time... :) Thanks for the info. davides@pipeline.com Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle Date: 07 Apr 1998 22:20:45 -0400 At 08:33 PM 4/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >This discussion comes at a good time for me, since I've >been wondering about all the formulas I've been posting >lately. I'd really appreciate some feedback, be it pro >or con. (Much snippage thoughout) >I'm afraid that has probably been the fate of most, if not all, >of the formulas I've posted to this list. For myself: Your formulas are a part of my collection and I have generated a couple of images with them. Still tinkering though... >2) people are put off by the size of the formulas (with all > the IF-ELSE statements), I haven't had one bite me yet... or >3) people are put off by the somewhat gaudy colors I use > (many look like a rainbow gone beserk), um, er... :) Actually, your coloring methodology works well with your images. or >4) I've been posting them faster than people have time to > experiment with them, For me, time _is_ a factor. I have very little spare time so becoming familiar with the operation of fractint and the various formulas etc...right now, from just the past 2 or 3 months, I probably literally have enough to last me for the rest of my life. or >5) people are finding them difficult to use. To some degree..but that is part of the fun, imo. >Sometime in the near future I'll try to post some tips that will >make it easier to use the formulas I have posted and will post. That would be helpful... >>But then again, are the best pictures generated from obscure >>formula? > >No. The best pictures are created from well-known formulas >by artistically gifted people. True >Paul Carlson David davides@pipeline.com Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Earl Simpson" Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle Date: 07 Apr 1998 21:37:59 -0500 Paul Carlson wrote concerning the life cycle of a formula: - >This discussion comes at a good time for me, since I've >been wondering about all the formulas I've been posting >lately. I'd really appreciate some feedback, be it pro >or con. >This message has gotten almost as long as my formulas. :) >Thanks for reading - hope to hear from some of you. > >Paul Carlson > And I reply, thanks Paul for all of your great formulas and pars. I'm a newbie to the group, but your listings along with Linda's are two of my favorites. And rest assured, that as I get time, I am working (playing or whatever the case maybe) with them. Earl Simpson - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems... Date: 07 Apr 1998 20:01:24 -0700 Not to mention that my DOS Boot sector somehow got corrupted on my NT machine and our network folks say the only solution is to wipe the hard drive clean and start from scratch!! This is common, I believe. At 10:19 AM 4/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >Ryan, > > - Why not just dual boot between both operating systems? > <> - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems... Date: 07 Apr 1998 20:16:21 -0700 Damien... I believe the answer to this question is that low-tech solutions are only acceptable to users. Just to vector the discussion back to Fractint....I've seen this same mind set operate when "wish list" discussions emerge. There is little interest in useful, but less than state of the art ideas. Multi-processing client push/pull/whatever...for example... complex ideas get lots of play.....more fun, I suspect. I work for a very high tech company. We churn in endless meetings trying to develop an "elegant" .....but costly either in terms of time or dollars ......solution to very simple problems. Usually sanity prevails because no one can tolerate the techy solutions cost. But it always seems to be a real disappointment!!! Angela \ Why put up with that inconvenience just for the >privilege of running NT? When a single operating system--Windows 95--will >do the job sufficiently for a _home_ system? > >I'm not knocking NT--it has its uses--I just don't like people pushing a >product on a person, or a complicated system, when they don't really need >it. People don't want to fiddle with operating systems, they want to work >and play. I once overheard a salesman sell a woman PageMaker because she >wanted to write a few letters... I had to leave before strangling the man. :) > >Damien M. Jones \\ >dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) > \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 07 Apr 1998 20:29:56 -0700 Tim.... As I understand it, your comment seems to provide a valid reason to always retain both formats. Being the bottom line person that I am, I would suspect that those of us who live and breathe fractals will be perfectly happy to devote the hard drive or other space required to retain a large number of maps. The .par concept is a really nice one to distribute more color schemes to those "test driving" Fractint and fractals. I can't see any reason why we are required to make hard and unacceptable choices on this issue. We just need to balance maps/pars bundled with the next Fractint release, I think. On a very simple level we could retain the default maps, select 2 maps from each of the categories at random (they are all winners anyway) in the map format and provide the rest as pars. Another low-tech solution from the House of Wizzle!!! <> Angela At 07:12 PM 4/7/98 -0600, you wrote: >Lee wrote: > >>I suggest two further color options when creating pars: >> >> 1) Colors-only (default=no) >> This could also be put into sstools.ini when user wants do do a bunch >> this way via makepar. > >Ahhh ... what does this option do? > >> 2) Interpolate Colors (default=yes) >> >> This would allow the par-maker to insure exact colors in those rare >> cases where the color pars are interpolated differently from the actual or >> map file colors. > >Again I don't understand. How do I guarantee exact colors? The only >way I know to do this is to use map files. > >For the uninitiated, be aware that the algorithm that encodes and >compresses colors when writing the colors= line in PARS is not 100% >accurate. There are cases where it is off a bit. Perhaps some of the >experienced folks could upload a map which when saved in a PAR as >colors= and then converted back does not give exactly the correct >result. > >This is not generally a concern but could be an issue for very >critical work. So far no one has been able to identify exactly when >the algorithm rounds the wrong way so it could be fixed. > >Tim > > >- >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle Date: 07 Apr 1998 20:56:59 -0700 At 08:33 PM 4/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >This discussion comes at a good time for me, since I've >been wondering about all the formulas I've been posting >lately. I'd really appreciate some feedback, be it pro >or con. > <> >Paul Carlson Paul.... For myself, one of the reasons that you don't see me posting many pars using your formulas (or Kerry's or others of the newer type) is because they are most definetly among my best work. No question!!! I've often sat totally stunned in front of my monitor .....amazed at the splendid images produced from your formulas. Also....I absolutely adore your colors. They are very "Paul" and produce rich and juicey images. I've saved and modified almost every variation you've posted using more "wizzle" colors. Actually, my own pallet has changed considerably since I've been studying your color maps.....they are always so technically interesting. Also....aside from the "greed" aspect of keeping my best stuff to myself.....I seem to get such a glut of great images that I don't seem to have time to figure out which I should post as pars. Instead I plan to reveal them little by little on my web page. I'm in the enviable position of being able to put together rotating offerings based on a theme.....I've been planning to do a more or less monthly gallery with the following themes 1. Julias 2. Crosses and other designs based on a theme of 4 3. Mandelas 4. Swirls 5. 5, 6 and 7 sided images Another index.....before I discovered this list...my average output of good images was about 100 or less per month. Since I've had the new formulas to work with my average output has increased to 250+ images per month. My comments are applicable to all the complex formulas posted here....thank you so much Paul, Paul and Kerry!!!! And I've certainly also enjoyed the wonderful offerings from everyone else as well. All in all I'd say the formulas posted to this list since I joined in December have been exceptional. Now....I can't make that same statement about many of the formulas available at Spanky for download. My observation is that some collections are just dogs. I've deleted those when I've had a chance. It seems to me that simple or complex formulas are not the test.....some folks just have a better gift for formula writing. And thank heavens!!! I've got none!!! But I can produce a pretty nice color map. And some of you can do nifty programming.......so together we generate a nicer fractal world. It is my very great pleasure to have discovered this list. Angela - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marie Drozdis" Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 08 Apr 1998 00:05:02 -0400 In my case, my university hospital has a computer store on campus. Many institutions have computer services that can get one for you. Or, try Surplus Direct, which carries academic software. [I saw CorelDraw8 in their recent flyer.] Other companies do, too. In that case, you need to provide proof of affiliation, and may pay a few dollars more. Still, it's a bargain over the retail price. These programs are excellent for importing fractals and making them even more imposing. Marie :) -----Original Message----- >At 08:35 PM 4/6/98 -1000, you wrote: >On 5 Apr 98 at 16:22, Marie Drozdis wrote: > > If any of you work for an academic institution, you > can get the *full* CorelDraw8 program in an academic > edition (meaning without manual) for around a hundred > dollars. > >Does one request the program directly from Corel? Or must one go through >the institution? In my case it would be U. of Md... > >davides@pipeline.com >Back up my hard drive? >How do I put it in reverse? > >- >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: (fractint) Simple vs. Complex Formulas Date: 07 Apr 1998 21:46:48 -0700 Now and then....well... more often then...I talk too much. Here is a par based on one of Paul Carlson's formulas that says it all for me....just great stuff!! With a new color map from me in the wizzle style of real shiney.... paul_swirl { ; wizzle 4/7/98 from a P. Carlson formula ; new 2graypnk.map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=Newton_3Way center-mag=-6.66134e-016/6.66134e-016/1.283601/1.3333/27.499 params=1/4/0.5/0.5/2/125 float=y maxiter=252 inside=253 outside=summ viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000005<54>ZchZchZbg<68>005A00<69>yltzmuzmt<52>A00_G2ZF0 } Since Paul's formula was just posted a few days ago, I'm not re-posting it here but can supply it on demand. Angela - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Montgomery Subject: (fractint) Learning Experience Date: 07 Apr 1998 22:35:43 -0600 Linda You are an exceptional teacher - and - an exceptional person. It will take a while before I feel like I REALLY know what I'm doing, but you have given me my first GIANT step - and I feel that, at last, I can start contributing to what I am doing - not just sit here pushing buttons. Thanks a lot. Ray - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: Re: (fractint) Herman rings? Date: 07 Apr 1998 22:42:02 PDT >Great! Now what are Siegel disks? :) Shit... (perhaps I should add a Julia Set guide to my webpage?) Julia sets from the border of the M-set "between" buds... Try these: Siegel-1 { reset=1960 type=lambda passes=1 center-mag=0.5/0/0.6666667 params=-0.7373688780783196/-0.675490294261524 float=y maxiter=1048576 inside=0 logmap=yes colors=000F0K<59>T0bU0cU0cV1cV2d<60>zzzzzzzzy<60>zz1zz0zy0yx0<58>G2JF0KF\ 0KF0KF0K } Siegel-2 { ; Jay Hill ; params=exp(2*i*pi*a), a=(sqrt(3.)-1.)/2. reset=1960 type=lambda center-mag=0.5/6.66134e-016/0.9861933 params=-0.666130923602528/0.745834829315743 float=y maxiter=1048576 inside=0 logmap=yes passes=1 colors=000F0K<29>i0xk0zj0z<29>20z01z01z<30>0Uz1Vz3Wz<28>xxzzzzzzx<59>zz1\ zz0zy0yx0<56>I4IH3JG2JF0KF0KF0KF0K savename=Siegel2 } Siegel-3 { ; Jay Hill ; params=exp(2*i*pi*a), a=(sqrt(7.)-1.)/2. reset=1960 type=lambda center-mag=0.5/6.66134e-016/0.9861933 params=0.442057568870217/-0.896986680951592 float=y maxiter=1048576 inside=0 logmap=yes passes=1 colors=000F0K<29>i0xk0zj0z<29>20z01z01z<30>0Uz1Vz3Wz<28>xxzzzzzzx<59>zz1\ zz0zy0yx0<56>I4IH3JG2JF0KF0KF0KF0K savename=Siegel3 } Siegel-Bof61 { ; Since it's the _inside_ of these sets that's interesting ; Uses one of my standard working colour maps reset=1960 type=lambda passes=2 center-mag=0.5/0/0.9861933 params=-0.7373688780783196/-0.675490294261524 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=bof61 outside=255 logmap=yes colors=000<34>x00z00z00<57>zU0zV0zW0zX0zZ0<16>zx0zz0yz0<30>2z00z00y1<33>\ 02x00z00z<31>W0zW0yV0w<33>000 } -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) Formula Life C.. Date: 07 Apr 1998 22:49:06 -0700 Kerry Mitchell wrote: >I think that, in general, a "good" formula should be simple. The basic >calculation should be able to be performed in any high-level language, >without "if/then" constructs. One of the things that first attracted me to this was the fascination that a simple formula could result in such an amazing complex array of things. I do have the feeling of exploring something that already "exists", like especially with the 4-D Julibrot. (Not that that negates anyone's copyright- maybe it's like owning land. I "own" some land and animals, and I don't really believe in owning them but no one else is going to come here and put in a development or whatever!) Paul Carlson wrote: > And although a few people posted some very >nice images using my formulas or variations of them, the number >has been few enough that I've wondered at times if: >1) there is enough interest in these types of formulas, or >2) people are put off by the size of the formulas (with all the IF-ELSE statements), or.... I've been very interested in them, and I like the extended commentaries, & am just getting to the point of understanding some of it. I always fool around with them and come up with some nice pars, but they're usually not too different from the original. The IF_ELSE statements seem simpler than the indirect way of doing it that came before. So I don't think the relative lack of pars is a reflection of a lack of interest. It's more like if someone showed you the Mona Lisa you wouldn't recolor it and say "Oh I like it better in tan!" Seriously, there are great simple formulas and long IF-ELSE formulas and there is no need to compare or choose. It's like choosing between an accoustic guitar and an orchestra, or a beautiful simple charcoal drawing and Fractint- there's good or bad in both. - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: (fractint) Generalized Halley Mset Formula Date: 08 Apr 1998 00:56:03 -0500 (CDT) comment { This formula is actually four different Halley Mset formulas, selected by setting real(p3) to 1, 2, 3 or 4. The pars below all have the exponent, real(p1), set to 4 because, as you probably know, I'm partial to images that have a little midget in their center, and only z^4 Halley images have the midget classic Mandelbrots in them. These formulas do not use any special rendering method so the images have no 3D effect. The colormap I've used, although simple, does produce Halley images that I think are quite pretty. To get an overall view of the Msets of any of the four formulas, start one of the pars for the formula, then press the 'z' key, then the 'F6' key, then the 'F4' key, then the 'Enter' key twice. Once the image restarts, you can display a greater area if you want by bringing up the zoom box, reducing it in size, and hold down the 'Ctrl' key while you press the 'Enter' key. Many Halley images look very nice using the boundary trace method. Try this: start the hal4_1_1 par, then press the 'e' key and change color 1 to black. When the image resumes press the 'x' key to bring up the Basic Options window and change Passes to 'b', Inside color to '1' and Fill color to '1'. This will give you a good idea of what a boundary traced Halley Mset looks like (it would probably look much better with a different colormap). Paul Carlson } frm:Halley4_Mset {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 ; Parameters: ; real(p1) = exponent of z (use integers, 4 thru 9) ; imag(p1) not used ; p2 = relaxation factor (usually (1,0) ) ; real(p3) = 1, z^p1 - z - c = 0 (default) ; = 2, z^p1 - z - c^2 = 0 ; = 3, z^p1 - c*z - c^2 = 0 ; = 4, z^p1 - c*z - c^4 = 0 ; imag(p3) not used ; c = pixel c2 = c * c z = 0 p = real(p1) s = real(p3) IF (s == 2) a = 1 b = c2 ELSEIF (s == 3) (s == 2) a = c b = c2 ELSEIF (s == 4) a = c b = c2 * c2 ELSE a = 1 b = c ENDIF pm1 = p - 1 pm2 = pm1 - 1 ppm1 = p * pm1 : fnc = z^p - a * z - b der1 = p * z^pm1 - a der2 = ppm1 * z^pm2 k = p2 * fnc / (der1 - der2 * fnc / (der1 + der1)) z = z - k |k| > 0.00000001 } hal4_1_1 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=halley4.frm formulaname=halley4_mset passes=1 center-mag=-17.25916734130114000/+0.00000000000000176/12656.11/1/90 params=4/0/1/0/1/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 colors=000e00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGo } hal4_2_1 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=halley4.frm formulaname=halley4_mset passes=1 center-mag=+0.00000000000000011/-4.17101362238117700/1.393827e+007 params=4/0/1/0/2/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 colors=000e00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGo } hal4_2_2 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=halley4.frm formulaname=halley4_mset passes=1 center-mag=+0.00000000000000011/-4.17101362268690400/3.287327e+007 params=4/0/1/0/2/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 colors=000e00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGo } hal4_2_3 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=halley4.frm formulaname=halley4_mset passes=1 center-mag=-0.00000000000000001/-0.77195452543939210/465509.3 params=4/0/1/0/2/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 colors=000e00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGo } hal4_2_4 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=halley4.frm formulaname=halley4_mset passes=1 center-mag=-0.00000000000000033/+0.66721828411334540/3.438981e+009 params=4/0/1/0/2/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 invert=1/0/0 colors=000e00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGo } hal4_2_5 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=halley4.frm formulaname=halley4_mset passes=1 center-mag=-0.00000000000000001/+1.20256741276355600/164133 params=4/0/1/0/2/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 invert=1/0/0 colors=000e00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGo } hal4_3_1 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=halley4.frm formulaname=halley4_mset passes=1 center-mag=+0.00000000000001066/-3.05258092230195400/2167.722/1/180 params=4/0/1/0/3/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 colors=000e00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGo } hal4_3_2 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=halley4.frm formulaname=halley4_mset passes=1 center-mag=+0.00000000000001066/-3.05249746854468900/5112.551/1/180 params=4/0/1/0/3/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 colors=000e00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGo } hal4_3_3 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=halley4.frm formulaname=halley4_mset passes=1 center-mag=+0.00000000000001066/-3.05249534548110400/11114.24/1/180 params=4/0/1/0/3/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 colors=000e00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGo } hal4_3_4 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=halley4.frm formulaname=halley4_mset passes=1 center-mag=+0.00000000000001066/-3.05258092230195400/2167.722/1/180 params=4/0/1/0/3/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 colors=0000e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee0\ 0tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee0\ 0tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee0\ 0tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee0\ 0tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee0\ 0tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee0\ 0tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee0\ 0tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee0\ 0tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee0\ 0tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee0\ 0tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz0 } hal4_4_1 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=halley4.frm formulaname=halley4_mset passes=1 center-mag=-6.10516452412834000/+2.52884255890206900/7721.489/1/112.5 params=4/0/1/0/4/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 colors=000e00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00o\ o00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGoe0ee00tU0zz00e00oo00eUGo } - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems... Date: 07 Apr 1998 23:00:18 -0700 At 08:16 PM 4/7/98 -0700, Wizzle wrote: >I work for a very high tech company. We churn in endless meetings trying >to develop an "elegant" ... >......solution to very simple problems. The last time I heard *that* mind-set was back in my college days, working for the physics B.S. I eventually earned. Never heard the word again in my 13 years in the space biz (which ended in 1992). "Practical" seems to win out in the real world. Bud - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: (fractint) What a night! Date: 07 Apr 1998 23:06:58 PDT Freaking 30 messages in as many minutes! -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Felix Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free Date: 08 Apr 1998 01:29:43 -0500 Michelle Zulli wrote: > I'm pretty green with Fractint. > I'm in the playing around and going "wow" stage. Having lots of fun > with it so far! I've been playing with Fractint for about 5 years now (still very green compared to some of the pros on this list) and I hope I'm always in the "wow" stage. :) -Andrew -- | Andrew Duhan | Cereal is g00d | | aduhan@ttu.edu | ICQ 10363110 | | http://chimera.acs.ttu.edu/~aduhan/ | - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 08 Apr 1998 05:36:50 -0400 Hi All, Tim wrote: >> Perhaps some of the experienced folks could upload a map which when >> saved in a PAR as colors=3D and then converted back does not give >> exactly the correct result. The following pas was created with lyapunov.map and saved with colors=3D= y. = Run it, enter the palette editor, load lyapunov.map, then hit E and U alternately. lyapunov { ; reset=3D1960 type=3Dmandel passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-0.5/0/0.6666667 params=3D0/0 float=3Dy colors=3D000zk0<253>000 } - Sylvie - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Girvan Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle Date: 08 Apr 1998 11:27:17 +0100 pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) writes: > What I think makes my formulas more difficult to use > than most are: > 1) because they were developed using geometry, the > formulas don't lend themselves to a random choice of > parameters. That strikes a chord with me. I realised at one point that some of my sine-meets-Newton formulae were more likely than not to give "seething dog-barf" (Rudy Rucker's phrase) for randomly picked input parameters. The PARs I posted were found by using "development maps" akin to using the Mandelbrot of a function to find Julia sets of various textures. For instance, the image z=c=pixel ... z=z-c*(f(z)/f'(z)) would help find interesting regions for z=pixel ... z=z-p1*(f(z)/f'(z)). Search procedures would be a useful aspect to mention. Ray ray.girvan@zetnet.co.uk +++ Technical Author +++ Topsham, Devon, UK http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/rgirvan/ +++ The Apothecary's Drawer - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jiho Kim Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 08 Apr 1998 04:11:19 -0700 (PDT) colors=000zk0<253>000 (AKA Lyapunov.map) How did a 3K file get compressed into 15 characters? I know it's not that difficult to do considering the patter that Lyapunov.map had, but where's the algorithm? I took a very shallow look at the source codes and couldn't find it. And, do we need to stay with this encoding specification? As much as I can tell from what was said about the imperfect (lossy) transfer from maps to pars to maps again, is that desireable? And what does this mean to truecolor (that the process is lossy)? I'm just full of assumptions about the process, so please excuse my impertinence.... :) Just curious, Jiho - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 08 Apr 1998 04:23:28 PDT Trust Sylvie to spot a subtle map/coloring bug...:) -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 08 Apr 1998 09:08:48 -0400 Hi Jiho, >> colors=3D000zk0<253>000 (AKA Lyapunov.map) >> >> How did a 3K file get compressed into 15 characters? 000=3Dblack, zk0<253>000 is a smooth-shaded range of 255 colors from zk= 0 (yellow) to 000. >> I know it's not that difficult to do considering the patter that >> Lyapunov.map had, but where's the algorithm? I took a very shallow >> look at the source codes and couldn't find it. It's in miscovl.c, lines 959-1033. Have fun! ;-)) Cheers, - Sylvie - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 08 Apr 1998 09:08:46 -0400 Hi Paul, >> Trust Sylvie to spot a subtle map/coloring bug...:) Except that it isn't that subtle... ;-) Cheers, - Sylvie - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Janet Preslar Subject: (fractint) Resource List Date: 08 Apr 1998 08:22:25 -0500 The following is a list of resources for FractInt users and Discussion Li= st members. (Created April 8, 1998) Please send all corrections, additions, and suggestions to: Janet Preslar (mailto:preslar@memphisonline.com) FractInt At Spanky =97 http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/fractint.html Mirror site =97 http://fractal.mta.ca/fractint/fractint.html FractInt Documentation =97 http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/findex.html FractInt semi-official wish list =97 http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/robin.b2/olig/fracwish.htm Information, Tutorials and Explanations How to run FractInt for DOS under Windows 95 =97 http://fractal.mta.ca/fractint/fracwin95.html Linda Allison's Basic FractInt Hints and Tips =97 http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/basic/basic-information.htm Wizzle's hints on getting started =97 http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/hints/tips-fractint.htm Linda Allison's Par and Frm tutorial =97 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519/lesson.html Linda Allison's Tutorial on Zooming =97 http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/zoom/zoom-lesson.html Linda Allison's Tutorial on Proportioning, Sizing, and Skewing =97 http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/proportion/proportions.htm Linda Allison's ColorMap tutorial =97 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519/colors.html http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/colormaps/colormaps.htm (mirror= ) Linda Allison's Color Tricks =97 http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/colortricks/colortricks.htm Wizzle's Color Map Magic =97 http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/wizmaps/wizmaps.htm Damien M. Jones's Fractal Information Page =97 http://www.fractalus.com/misc/info.htm Linda Allison Explains Fractals =97 http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/define/fractals_defined.htm FractInt Mailing List FractInt Mailing List archive =97 ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/fractint/archive/ 1997 Contest (thumbnails of all the entries) =97 http://www.fractalus.com/contest/ The 1997 Contest Kit (Re-create the magic at home!!) =97 http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/Contestk.zip Les St. Clair's Collection of Mailing List Pars & Formulas (all the pars and frms since August 1997) =97 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/fml.htm The iFAQ (collected topics from the list) =97 http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/iFAQ/iFAQ.html Copyrights Discussed (and discussed) =97 http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/copyright.zip ColorMaps collected and organized by Wizzle =97 http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/fractint_maps/newmaps.htm Dr. J's Fractal of the Night =97 http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/FotN/FotNindx.html Additional Programs & Utilities George Martin's Orgfrm program =97 http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/programs/ibmpc/orgfrm.zip Ron Barnett's MakeMap utility =97 http://members.aol.com/RBarn0001/makemap.zip Paul Carlson's AddGifs program =97 http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/addgifs.zip Thore Berntsen's FractInt Screensaver =97 http://home.sol.no/~thbernt/fintsave.htm Infinite Fractal Loop Home Page =97 http://www.fractalus.com/ifl/ Graphical List =97 http://www.fractalus.com/ifl/list.htm Fractal merchandise (posters, mouse mats, t-shirts, etc.) Lifesmith =97 http://www.lifesmith.com/ Refractal Design Inc. (fractal jewelry) =97 http://www.refractal.com Fractal-Art Mailing List How to Subscribe =97 Subscribe: majordomo@aros.net "subscribe fractal-art" Post Message: fractal-art@aros.net Get Commands: majordomo@aros.net "help" Administrator: noring@netcom.com Unsubscribe: majordomo@aros.net "unsubscribe fractal-art" Archive =97 ftp://ftp.aros.net/pub/users/noring/fractal-art/ Jim Muth's Fractal of the Day =97 http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Janet Preslar Subject: (fractint) Re: Resource List Date: 08 Apr 1998 08:32:01 -0500 Regarding the list of resources for FractInt users and Discussion List members sent as a separate message: I really uncovered a lot of information out there as I was putting this list together, but I'm sure there's much, much more I don't know about. If you have written (or know of) tutorials or other information that should be included, please send me the URLs. In the interest of size, I have not included a list of galleries at this time. I will re-post this resource list every week or two. Please send all corrections, additions, and suggestions to: Janet Preslar (mailto:preslar@memphisonline.com) Janet - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thaddaeus Parker" Subject: Re: (fractint) About Ray Date: 08 Apr 1998 16:46:51 +0200 that is a very beautiful fractal. It is amazing what a little imagination, a computer, and fractint can do! Thadd ICQ#3304633 - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thaddaeus Parker" Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle Date: 08 Apr 1998 16:49:06 +0200 Tango. I'll explore that!!! Thadd ICQ 3304663 - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) Second of two pars Date: 08 Apr 1998 07:37:29 -0700 Ray... Nice pars!!! I'm glad you can now share with us because it's such fun. I'll let you know how my puter upgrade goes Fractint wise. Although my son is building my system, I did find some excellent choices on the web and can share those with you. Welcome to the world of pars Angela At 11:44 AM 4/7/98 -0600, you wrote: > Here is the second. Sorry about the flaw in the upper section of >the image, but my computer is gradually misbehaving. > Par number two: > ><> > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Resource List Date: 08 Apr 1998 07:40:28 -0700 Janet... This is a great idea!! All the new folks should definetly save this list!! Angela At 08:32 AM 4/8/98 -0500, you wrote: >Regarding the list of resources for FractInt users and Discussion List members >sent as a separate message: > >I really uncovered a lot of information out there as I was putting this list >together, but I'm sure there's much, much more I don't know about. If you have >written (or know of) tutorials or other information that should be included, >please send me the URLs. > >In the interest of size, I have not included a list of galleries at this time. > >I will re-post this resource list every week or two. > >Please send all corrections, additions, and suggestions to: >Janet Preslar (mailto:preslar@memphisonline.com) > >Janet > > >- >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryan Jameson Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems... Date: 08 Apr 1998 09:14:55 -0700 At 08:01 PM 4/7/98 -0700, Wizzle wrote: >Not to mention that my DOS Boot sector somehow got corrupted on my NT >machine and our network folks say the only solution is to wipe the hard >drive clean and start from scratch!! This is common, I believe. > I guess I was fortunate. When I installed NT, I set up a seperate partition for it, and my win 95 partitions was fat32. NT didn't even see it, so it couldn't corrupt it. It did make setting up the dual boot a bit tricky, but nothing I couldn't handle. :) Ryan - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Riley Subject: Re: (fractint) Raw2Pov? Date: 08 Apr 1998 10:34:17 -0700 From: Thaddaeus Parker Subject: (fractint) Sent bad mail: Have same question: Raw2Pov? Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:54:18 +0200 I've made some spiffy Fractint 3D images that I would like to get over to POV, but everything I've found is just source code. I have a C++ compiler from Borland. It will compile just great up to a point and then give me errors up the whazzu. Most notably for a void* to char* conversion. anybody know where a good raw to pov conversion port is? ---------------End of Original Message----------------- If you can use a Win95 program, the best conversion program is Keith Rule's Crossroads conversion program which can be found at: http://www.europa.com/~keithr/Crossroads/index.html ----------------------------------------- | Tim Riley | | Institute for Telecommunication Science | | National Telecommunications and | | Information Administration | | US Dept. of Commerce | | Boulder, Colorado | | E-mail:triley@its.bldrdoc.gov | | Per favore spenga le Sue scarpe | | davanti abbandonare il nave spaziale. | ----------------------------------------- - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thaddaeus Parker" Subject: Re: (fractint) Raw2Pov? Date: 08 Apr 1998 20:07:21 +0200 Thanks Tim. Been searching for a while. Will test it out and give you a thumbs up or down. Thaddaeus Parker Sgt USMC Marine Guard ICQ 3304633 - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Montgomery Subject: (fractint) New par Date: 08 Apr 1998 11:44:54 -0600 Here is the latest par of the batch on which I am currently working. Flowerpinks { ; Frima192-009 ; 4/7/98 ; elmont reset=1930 type=complexnewton passes=b center-mag=+0.63949843260188000/+0.36180904522613070/4.901961/1/55 params=7/-1.3/1/2 float=y maxiter=2500 periodicity=0 colors=000000000zzz<13>000zoozjj<68>s1Dm040K0<24>0J00J00J00I00I00I0<22>0\ A0SKOSKMSKK<2>SQKSSKQSKOSKMSKKSK<2>KSQKSSKQSKOSKMS00G<3>G0G<3>G00<3>GG0<\ 3>0G0<3>0GG<2>04G88G<2>E8GG8GG8EG8CG8AG88<2>GE8GG8EG8CG8AG88G8<2>8GE8GG8\ EG8CG8AGBBG<2>FBGGBGGBFGBDGBCGBB<2>GFBGGBFGBDGBCGBBGB<2>BGFBGGBFGBDGBCG0\ 00<6>00000e000<3>zudeeeLLLLGccGF<2>z01zzL } Somewhat different. Ray - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) Learning Experience Date: 08 Apr 1998 10:44:12 -0700 You're welcome, Ray! It's been a pleasure "working" with you! Linda ---------- > From: Ray Montgomery > To: fractint@xmission.com > Subject: (fractint) Learning Experience > Date: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 9:35 PM > > Linda > > You are an exceptional teacher - and - an exceptional person. > It will take a while before I feel like I REALLY know what I'm > doing, but you have given me my first GIANT step - and I feel that, at last, > I can start contributing to what I am doing - not just sit here pushing buttons. > Thanks a lot. > > Ray > > > - > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James R. McKenzie" Subject: Re: (fractint) About Ray Date: 08 Apr 1998 10:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Gumbycat wrote, "Also, he's using a machine with a hard drive of 540K" I believe you meant 540mb. Anyways, dem ole HDD's ain't too fast either. Chances are he needs a faster platter too. I know about 540 megabyte HDD's, my dad has one on the ole 486slc (Cyrix processor made by Texas Instruments) 33mhz (soldered to the motherboard no less) with an expansive 16mb of 30 simm RAM (ain't cha jealous 8-> ). <-- that's period not a zit. Anyway for some reason I felt compelled to throw this in, useless though it was. L8R James R. McKenzie WHOOKAM88@YAHOO.COM _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: (fractint) Resource List and iFAQ trolling Date: 08 Apr 1998 12:47:01 -0700 Hi Janet, Good job, I'd like to include your resource list in the iFAQ. May I? Also, it should have been obvious, the Formula Life Cycle was posted to stir fractal space. The discussion has been more interesting than I could have hoped for. I hope no one objects to their remarks inclusion in the iFAQ. I shall have more to say on Life Cycle later. Jay - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: (fractint) Re: Formula Life Cycle Date: 08 Apr 1998 14:58:29 -0500 Jay, I've always preferred the simpler formulas, mainly because I can explore them without having to wait so long for the pictures. Most of my experimentation with alternate coloring schemes has been done with the plain old Mandelbrot set--in fact, the gallery #10 on my web site consists solely of M-set pictures. There's plenty of hidden structure in the Mandelbrot set which can be brought out with different coloring. I've noticed, as well, that moving some of these coloring schemes to different fractal types doesn't always improve things much. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Formula Life Cycle Date: 08 Apr 1998 13:40:26 -0700 Damien Jones wrote: > I've always preferred the simpler formulas, ... > Most of my experimentation with alternate coloring schemes > has been done with the plain old Mandelbrot set--in fact, the > gallery #10 on my web site consists solely of M-set pictures. Well, ah.. er... how is this... http://www.fractalus.com/gallery10/pic06.htm a simple MSet picture? Are these really the result of simple formula? Jay - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Formula Life Cycle Date: 08 Apr 1998 15:48:20 -0500 Jay, - Well, ah.. er... how is this... - http://www.fractalus.com/gallery10/pic06.htm - - a simple MSet picture? Are these really the result of simple formula? Sure it's a simple M-set, just with an orbit-trap style rendering. The fractal equation itself is just Mandelbrot. That's what I was trying to say--I can play around with coloring and such in the plain ol' M-set, moving to more complicated fractals doesn't seem to help much. (Although I've had good results with the NovaM type, too.) Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Janet Preslar Subject: Re: (fractint) Resource List and iFAQ trolling Date: 08 Apr 1998 16:08:12 -0500 Jay Hill wrote: > Hi Janet, > > Good job, I'd like to include your resource list in the iFAQ. > May I? Sure. Janet - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Resource List Date: 08 Apr 1998 18:06:52 -0400 At 08:32 AM 4/8/98 -0500, you wrote: >Regarding the list of resources for FractInt users and Discussion List members >sent as a separate message: > >I really uncovered a lot of information out there as I was putting this list >together, but I'm sure there's much, much more I don't know about. (snipped) Right on time!!!!!! Recently, (yesterday) I received a piece of email asking for exactly what you posted; i.e. sites for info, etc. I will be sending him a copy of the list - and keeping a copy in file. Thank you!! Regards, davides@pipeline.com Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Gilman Subject: (fractint) sample command line Date: 08 Apr 1998 16:01:00 -0800 Can someone out there in Fracint land provide me with a sample FRACTINT command-line? I'm working on a Mac bring-up, and I'm at the point where I'm parsing command line arguments. As you probably know, Macs don't have command lines, so I'm faking them. My problem is, my DOS-machine died and I can't put together a string of command-line arguments from memory (mostly 'cause I go to school in Santa Cruz ;-). Can some friendly soul toss a command-line in this direction? It needs to bypass as many menus as possible (preferably so that the FRACTINT user doesn't need to press a key to go from the command-line to a generated fractal). Thanks! -=Tim Gilman t.gilman@cats.ucsc.edu Tim Gilman BlueBox Engineering t.gilman@apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill at NY Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle Date: 08 Apr 1998 19:48:03 EDT In a message dated 4/7/98 9:37:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com writes: << This discussion comes at a good time for me, since I've been wondering about all the formulas I've been posting lately. I'd really appreciate some feedback, be it pro or con. >> Paul, I guess I've collected enough formulas to last me for all eternity by now. And I barely have time to view any of them, let alone try to make my own pictures. But I always make time for yours. Beautiful pictures AND I actually learn something each time. Thanks! Bill - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Montgomery Subject: (fractint) An apology to gumbycat Date: 08 Apr 1998 18:39:12 -0600 Sorry, Linda. When I first got this computer from my son-in-law, I thought he told me that it had a hard drive of about 540kb. Obviously I was mistaken in not researching the matter further. The spec sheet, and, for that matter nowhere in the user manual, does it indicate the hard drive capacity. After reading James McKenzie's message about that capacity, I was filled with remorse for not having looked that quantity up. So today, I made five phone calls to Tandy, (or was transferred to five different people at Tandy) and finally found that the hard drive (no longer made, of course) held, PROBABLY, a little more than 200 mg, PROBABLY 'about' 207, or so. So, I put you in the embarressing position of giving a wrong figure and it was entirely my fault. I'm posting this on the message-board because you deserve to be absolved of having made that mistake. You were being good, and I was an idiot. Incidentally, James McKenzie was right. It is a Tandy machine and had only 4 megs of memory. That I'm sure about, because I just had it upgraded to 16 megs. Once again, I'm sorry Linda. Ray - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Genealogy1 Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle Date: 08 Apr 1998 20:40:17 EDT Paul, Excellent work. Keep it up. --Bob Carr-- - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Montgomery Subject: (fractint) Re: About Ray Date: 08 Apr 1998 18:43:44 -0600 Thadd wrote: "That is a very beautiful fractal....." Thanks Thad. I owe it all to Fractint and my nervous fingers.:) Ray - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Montgomery Subject: (fractint) Re: Computer upgrading Date: 08 Apr 1998 18:56:19 -0600 Thanks for looking at them. I would like to share. I would like to learn. Please do let me know what you discover about the upgrading, or the starting from scratch. I have been pouring over the companies in the 'Computer Shopper' and in my lone computer mag. I think it's slanted toward Microsoft. (For that matter what isn't?) I've also visited three of our local computer stores and am doing my best to come up with a machine that will do best with Fractint. I think the postings here have convinced me that the Matrox Millenium II would be the best video (card? board? driver? whatever it is). Do you concur? Thanks again Ray - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Earl Simpson" Subject: (fractint) sstools.ini -- need help -- Please Date: 08 Apr 1998 20:07:58 -0500 Can someone please help me: I am trying to create a new directory for all the formulas, maps , and etc, but can not get the correct format into the sstools.ini file -- I have Fractint at C:\Fractint and I want to move the files to C:\Fractint\Formulas, C:\Fractint\Maps, amd C:\Fractint\Parameters. What are the entrys I need in the sstools file. Thanks for your help. Earl Simpson - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Earl Simpson" Subject: (fractint) sstools.ini -- need help -- Please Date: 08 Apr 1998 20:07:58 -0500 Can someone please help me: I am trying to create a new directory for all the formulas, maps , and etc, but can not get the correct format into the sstools.ini file -- I have Fractint at C:\Fractint and I want to move the files to C:\Fractint\Formulas, C:\Fractint\Maps, amd C:\Fractint\Parameters. What are the entrys I need in the sstools file. Thanks for your help. Earl Simpson - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: Re: (fractint) sstools.ini -- need help -- Please Date: 08 Apr 1998 21:19:24 -0400 Earl, here is what you need in sstools.ini SAVENAME=C:\FRACTINT\IMAGES PARMFILE=C:\FRACTINT\PARAMTRS\ MAP=C:\FRACTINT\MAPS FORMULAFILE=C:\FRACTINT\FORMULAS\ You did not ask for the first line above, but that is the sort of thing you want if you wish Fractint to put freshly generated images into a separate folder. Gedeon Earl Simpson wrote: > Can someone please help me: > > I am trying to create a new directory for all the formulas, maps , and etc, > but can not get the correct format into the sstools.ini file -- > I have Fractint at C:\Fractint and I want to move the files to > C:\Fractint\Formulas, C:\Fractint\Maps, amd C:\Fractint\Parameters. > > What are the entrys I need in the sstools file. > > Thanks for your help. > > Earl Simpson > > - > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: Re: (fractint) sstools.ini -- need help -- Please Date: 08 Apr 1998 21:26:44 -0400 Sorry Earl, I copied my file which had some subfolders in it. You DO NOT need the backslash at the end of lines. Here is the correct version. Gedeon SAVENAME=C:\FRACTINT\IMAGES PARMFILE=C:\FRACTINT\PARAMTRS MAP=C:\FRACTINT\MAPS FORMULAFILE=C:\FRACTINT\FORMULAS - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Earl Simpson" Subject: Re: (fractint) sstools.ini -- need help -- Please Date: 08 Apr 1998 21:23:47 -0500 -----Original Message----- Thanks Gedeon Worked like a champ. Suggestion for the fractint help file is a list of keywords or a better example in the sstools description would be very helpful. >SAVENAME=C:\FRACTINT\IMAGES >PARMFILE=C:\FRACTINT\PARAMTRS >MAP=C:\FRACTINT\MAPS >FORMULAFILE=C:\FRACTINT\FORMULAS Earl >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lavondyss Subject: (fractint) Computer upgrading: Syquest Sparq Date: 08 Apr 1998 21:31:46 -0500 Speaking of computer upgrading. I only have a 2.1 gig hard drive and a 1 gig quantum fireball hd. Seeing that I am out of space, I went out and purchased the Syquest Sparq drive(1.0 gig removeable disks) for unlimited space. I was planning on the external parallel, but my choice was chosen for me, the store only had the internals left. So I got one anyways. BOY was I surprised. The internal IDE Sparq performed at almost hard drive speeds.....no joke!!! I'm happy with it. It was very easy to install and I haven't encountered any problems....except user errors. If anyone want unlimited space, but still want the speed of an HD, then I recommend the Sparq at $199.99 per drive and $99 for a pack of 3 disks (3 GIGS!!!). Or you can get the Syquest Quest (4.3 gig removeable HD) if you have the cash. I don't know the price of this drive yet, but you're welcomed to look at: http://www.syquest.com I believe my next purchase should be re-writeable CD-ROM. Now, if I can only find enough spare change...... looking for spare change..... -Lav - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lavondyss Subject: (fractint) Computer upgrading: Syquest Sparq Date: 08 Apr 1998 21:31:46 -0500 Speaking of computer upgrading. I only have a 2.1 gig hard drive and a 1 gig quantum fireball hd. Seeing that I am out of space, I went out and purchased the Syquest Sparq drive(1.0 gig removeable disks) for unlimited space. I was planning on the external parallel, but my choice was chosen for me, the store only had the internals left. So I got one anyways. BOY was I surprised. The internal IDE Sparq performed at almost hard drive speeds.....no joke!!! I'm happy with it. It was very easy to install and I haven't encountered any problems....except user errors. If anyone want unlimited space, but still want the speed of an HD, then I recommend the Sparq at $199.99 per drive and $99 for a pack of 3 disks (3 GIGS!!!). Or you can get the Syquest Quest (4.3 gig removeable HD) if you have the cash. I don't know the price of this drive yet, but you're welcomed to look at: http://www.syquest.com I believe my next purchase should be re-writeable CD-ROM. Now, if I can only find enough spare change...... looking for spare change..... -Lav - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michelle Zulli" Subject: Re: (fractint) Resource List Date: 08 Apr 1998 22:42:20 -0500 On 8 Apr 98, Janet Preslar wrote: > The following is a list of resources for FractInt users and > Discussion List members. (Created April 8, 1998) [snip] Thank you so much for posting that list. I spent the free time I had at work today sampling the links, anxious to get home and explore more conscientiously. Fractint is starting to keep me up past my bedtime! ; ] Yawn, Michelle - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle Date: 08 Apr 1998 22:50:28 -0500 (CDT) Hi Bill, Hi Alice, Thanks for your comments - I really appreciate them. I was a little reluctant to post what I did - I was afraid people might think I was fishing for compliments. But I had gotten to the point where it seemed to me that most of the formulas I was posting were just disappearing into a black hole and I was wondering what I needed to do to make them more usable or if it was even worthwhile to continue. From your and other's comments, it seems my postings are being used, so I will continue them. Paul - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle Date: 08 Apr 1998 22:01:10 -0700 > From: Paul and/or Joyce Carlson ... > But I had gotten to the point where it > seemed to me that most of the formulas I was posting were just > disappearing into a black hole and I was wondering what I needed to > do to make them more usable or if it was even worthwhile to continue. > Maybe with the copyright flap folk are slow to post their explorations of what they might perceive to be staked out territory, er ... fractitory. Jay - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 09 Apr 1998 01:14:32 -0600 Sylvie said, in referring to where the color compression code is in the fractint sources: > It's in miscovl.c, lines 959-1033. Have fun! ;-)) I challenge all the bright programmers here to modify the sources so that the compression is 100% reversable, but still works OK with existing PARS. Tim - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 09 Apr 1998 01:14:32 -0600 Jiho asked: > colors=000zk0<253>000 (AKA Lyapunov.map) > > How did a 3K file get compressed into 15 characters? Fractint's color compression works by recognizing sequences of constantly changing colors. The Lyapunov map is an extreme case of graduated colors so it compresses well. Maps that don't have sequences of colors don't compress well. > And, do we need to stay with this encoding specification? As much as I > can tell from what was said about the imperfect (lossy) transfer from maps > to pars to maps again, is that desireable? It's not supposed to be "lossy", it's an imprefection in the algorithm. It would be hard to change because there are so many PARs in circulation. However, I must add that when the algorithm is inaccurate, in most cases it makes no visual difference. That's why the color compress has lasted all this time. (Now that I said that, I'm sure someone willconjure up an example where the difference is noticeable.) Tim > > And what does this mean to truecolor (that the process is lossy)? I'm > just full of assumptions about the process, so please excuse my > impertinence.... :) > > Just curious, > > Jiho > > > - > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps Date: 09 Apr 1998 01:14:32 -0600 Wizzle wrote: > I can't see any reason why we are required to make hard and unacceptable > choices on this issue. Actually I didn't think the dilemma was that tough :-) > On a very simple level we could retain the > default maps, select 2 maps from each of the categories at random (they > are all winners anyway) in the map format and provide the rest as pars. That sounds fine. I'm also willing to make map <-> PAR conversion easier. One thing you might check is that if you convert the PAR maps to regular maps, see if they are exactly the same as the original. Tim - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Montgomery Subject: (fractint) SSTOOLS>INI - Again! Date: 09 Apr 1998 01:14:38 -0600 Gedeon - Fortunately for me Earl Simpson asked a question that you answered and served to help me a lot. However, there is one issue that is still not clear to me. I have created my SSTOOLS>INI file and stacked it neatly with all the things you have indicated to Earl - but, is there an activation process that must be done before the file can be read properly by the computer? For instance, one of the entries in my file is VIDEO=F3 (the only one I can use, right now) and it was my understanding that the computer was always supposed to check that file, and in this case see the F3 and skip Fractints opening credits and go straight to where I am to start. Is that correct? And, if it is, why does it always go through the credits thing. (Ihave nothing against the credits, you understand, it is just a bit of a time saver. A follow up to that is, if I may, when I call up the sstools file through Notepad I get only the first two lines of the fifteen that are in the file. When I call up the file in MS-DOS Edit, I get the entire file, all fifteen lines. I have done something wrong, as usual, and can not seem to get it straight. There is also a gentleman in Cleveland, the Curator of Vertebrate Paleontology the the Natural History Museum there, who is also having a great deal of difficulty with control and use of his sstools file. He asked me for help, and though I did not laugh aloud at him asking help from the one person least able to give it, I did resolve to, somehow, get help to him. I have been and still am in that unenviable position, so I know how frustrating it can be. May I give you his email address, or may I have him email this message group, or email you at your InfoAve.Net address? I thank you in advance for listening and wait hopefully for a final solution to what must seem to experts like a simple problem. Thanks Ray Montgomery - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Martin <76440.1143@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) SSTOOLS>INI - Again! Date: 09 Apr 1998 03:53:44 -0400 Ray, > is there an activation process that must be done before the file can be read properly by the computer? < Don't forget the lead-in line in the file [fractint] which is followed by the various command line options suggested in earlier messages. Incidentally, the list of many of the sstools options can be found in the revision histories contained in the fractint help files. See the explanation of changes made with version 19.0 for a list of the path/directory management commands you were asking about. Put your sstools.ini in your DOS path. I have mine in c:\windows Fractint will then read sstools.ini each time on startup. Specifying a video mode in sstools.ini will cause the opening credits to be skipped. George Martin - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Kaplan Subject: Re: (fractint) Computer upgrading: Syquest Sparq Date: 09 Apr 1998 09:31:40 -0400 (EDT) > If anyone want unlimited space, but still want the speed of an HD, then I > recommend the Sparq at $199.99 per drive and $99 for a pack of 3 disks (3 > GIGS!!!). Or you can get the Syquest Quest (4.3 gig removeable HD) if you have > the cash. I don't know the price of this drive yet, but you're welcomed to look > at: http://www.syquest.com At the rate at which hard drive prices are falling, this is no longer quite as good an idea as it used to be. Consider that for the $300 that gets you 3 gigs of Sparq, you could get 9-12 gigs of ordinary hard drive; the basic rate of a Sparq disk is about $33/gig. Large hard drives come for $40-$50 a gig these days and prices are falling quickly. Add to that the inevitability of the Sparq no longer being produced (or supported) sooner or later and the tendency to stack up piles of disks on your desk that keep falling over, and it starts looking less appealing. Of course, you do eventually run out of IDE ports to chain new hard drives along, I guess... Still, I find the best solution for me is CD-R and CD-RW. At $2 a gig, I can write any data I want to keep around to CD without really thinking about the cost, and keeping endless piles of GIFs and downloaded software off my hard drives means they hold up with space pretty well. If I need to get a new hard drive every year or two because this system doesn't work perfectly, that's okay, given how hard drives keep getting cheaper. Nu. - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com Subject: Re: (fractint) SSTOOLS>INI - Again! Date: 09 Apr 1998 09:41:54 -0400 Ray Montgomery wrote: >>> A follow up to that is, if I may, when I call up the sstools file through Notepad I get only the first two lines of the fifteen that are in the file. When I call up the file in MS-DOS Edit, I get the entire file, all fifteen lines. I have done something wrong, as usual, and can not seem to get it straight. <<< Ray, This may be your problem. You may have a 'non-printing' character in the file. The easiest way to fix this is to just delete the file and re-type it from scratch. >>> There is also a gentleman in Cleveland, the Curator of Vertebrate Paleontology the the Natural History Museum there, who is also having a great deal of difficulty with control and use of his sstools file <<<. Do you live in Cleveland? I work in downtown Cleveland. The Natural History Museum has a great Vertebrate Paleontology department . Nick nick.grasso@hrads.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: (fractint) Changingthe compression of colors Date: 02 Apr 1998 09:46:49 -0500 If you make the new version use new compression code that gives correct results with the *old* decompress, no new decompress is needed and old PARs will work fine... new ones better. -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------ -- B. Mandelbrot | Paul Derbyshire (PGD) ao950@freenet.carleton.ca ______________________ ____|_____________ pderbysh@chat.carleton.ca Programmer & Humanist | ICQ: 10423848 | http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lavondyss Subject: Re: (fractint) Computer upgrading: Syquest Sparq Date: 09 Apr 1998 10:47:54 -0500 > At the rate at which hard drive prices are falling, this is no longer > quite as good an idea as it used to be. Consider that for the $300 that > gets you 3 gigs of Sparq, you could get 9-12 gigs of ordinary hard drive; > the basic rate of a Sparq disk is about $33/gig. Large hard drives come > for $40-$50 a gig these days and prices are falling quickly. Add to that > the inevitability of the Sparq no longer being produced (or > supported) sooner or later and the tendency to stack up piles of disks on > your desk that keep falling over, and it starts looking less appealing. > > Of course, you do eventually run out of IDE ports to chain new hard > drives along, I guess... > > Still, I find the best solution for me is CD-R and CD-RW. At $2 a gig, I > can write any data I want to keep around to CD without really thinking > about the cost, and keeping endless piles of GIFs and downloaded software > off my hard drives means they hold up with space pretty well. If I need > to get a new hard drive every year or two because this system doesn't > work perfectly, that's okay, given how hard drives keep getting cheaper. Nu. I have thought about an HD, but I ran across a problem. If your HD get's at least one bad sector, it's screwed unless you do a scandisk which usually takes forever for 5 gig and up. Plus, it will not work properly untill that sector is fixed or marked bad. I stored my all my mp3's on my quantum, then it had a small problem of having bad sectors, I did a scandisk and it seemed alright, then more popped up and I had to delete some directories, and the HD decided it would be fun to delete all my mp3's....I was furious!.. I had to format it and do scandisk again. Now you tell me, Ian Kaplan, should I trust hard drives like you do? This is not the first time this has happened either. One small problem and you're F***((!! Luckily, I have several HD's to store my other programs. I've been around computers to know how to get around problems, and removeable media is one of them. I agree with you about the CD-R and CD-RW. Just be careful and don't write wrong bits to it, otherwise the CD is toast. Computers have been known to write wrong data bits and you end up with a bad disk or HD untill you format it and run scnadisk. Anyone else have any pros and cons? -Lav - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Computer upgrading: Syquest Sparq Date: 09 Apr 1998 13:03:46 -0400 Lav wrote: >>> I have thought about an HD, but I ran across a problem. If your HD get's at least one bad sector, it's screwed unless you do a scandisk which usually takes forever for 5 gig and up.<<< [stuff snipped] You could have the exact same problem with Syquest or Jaz removeable media. Presumably, once you write a CD-R disk and verify that it is OK, there would be less of a chance of a sector going bad. However, CDs are not indestructable and the media could deteriorate over time, or it could get scratched, causing the same problem. There was a discussion on the list last year (or was it the Fractal Art list?) regarding the best media to archive our fractals and the conclusion was that Magneto-Optical (MO) is most reliable. MO drives are available in sizes from 128Mb to 4Gb. The higher capacity drives are expensive (although the disks are reasonable) and are slower than Syquest/Jaz, but the media has a much longer shelf-life than CDs, Jaz, HDs, etc. Nick - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: (fractint) Anti-aliasing again Date: 09 Apr 1998 10:26:26 -0700 (MST) Hopefully a quick question. Assume that I can comfortably generate a 10K x 10K image on my system, but that's the biggest I can do. Instead of just having a 10K x 10K fractal, I want to have a 10K *anti-aliased* fractal. So I generate each of the 4 quadrants at 10K x 10K, and anti-alias them down to 5K by 5K. Then, I combine the 4 tiles into a 10K x 10K final image. My question: since the scaling from 10K to 5K is exactly half, should I expect to see any anti-aliasing/rescaling artifacts at the seams of the final image? That is, would the rescaling work exactly at the edge of the image? I would think that, since it's an integral rescaling, there wouldn't be any edge problems, but there might be if it wasn't an exact integer rescaling, like if I went from 10K to 6543 pixels on a side. Comments? Please feel free to respond to me directly, rather than spamming both lists. :-) Kerry Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lavondyss Subject: Re: (fractint) Computer upgrading: Syquest Sparq Date: 09 Apr 1998 13:20:52 -0500 > You could have the exact same problem with Syquest or Jaz removeable media. > Presumably, once you write a CD-R disk and verify that it is OK, there > would be less of a chance of a sector going bad. However, CDs are not > indestructable and the media could deteriorate over time, or it could get > scratched, causing the same problem. You are correct, but the Sparq disks are only 1gig...NOT 4 or 5 or 12 gig. Instead of loosing that much data, you are downed only 1 gig. Plus you can salvage whatever stuff you have on your diskette and put it on your HD and then format the diskette. I've learned not to rely heavily on my HD. I have multiple backups of most programs I use. The come in handy. I probably have about 3 copies or more of Fractint and the stuff that goes with it. I know I can always download it again at Spanky's, but why waste online time when you can have a copy already made? I agree that MO are great media. I've tried to get my hands on a drive, but it seems that's far fetched. Need the greens. -Lav - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Computer upgrading: Syquest Sparq Date: 09 Apr 1998 14:41:37 -0400 >>> You are correct, but the Sparq disks are only 1gig...NOT 4 or 5 or 12 gig. >>> [stuff snipped] Yes, good points. I agree with everything you said. >>> I agree that MO are great media. I've tried to get my hands on a drive, but it >>> seems that's far fetched. Need the greens. My situation exactly . Can I assume that you are happy with your Syquest drive? I have a 150Mb Bernoulli that I would like to replace. I don't want the Jaz because the media are too expensive. I did read one review of the Syquest a while ago (perhaps this was an old 230Mb though?) that said it was poorly made and had problems. I've read other good reviews though. Perhaps I'll wait for writable DVD, if it ever gets here. It should be reasonably priced and I don't really need the speed of Jaz/Syquest since I mainly use it for archiving. Sorry if this is off-topic. I've got to stop worrying about hardware and get back to creating fractals. Nick - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lavondyss Subject: Re: (fractint) Computer upgrading: Syquest Sparq Date: 09 Apr 1998 13:54:55 -0500 Nick, If you're patient, you can wait for the DVD re-writeable which is coming soon. - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Computer upgrading: Syquest Sparq Date: 09 Apr 1998 14:08:20 -0500 Lavondyss, - Plus you can salvage whatever stuff you have on your diskette and put it - on your HD and then format the diskette. As opposed to salvaging everything on a HD (by backing it up onto tape or something) and reformatting the hard drive...? Seems like it's pretty much the same process, if you get a sector bad on your hard drive. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James R. McKenzie" Subject: Re: (fractint) An apology to gumbycat Date: 09 Apr 1998 12:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: (fractint) Computer upgrading: Syquest Sparq Date: 09 Apr 1998 15:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Write-once DVD is availible now, but due to competing standards, it'd be wise to wait a bit for things to settle out. - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lavondyss" Subject: Re: (fractint) Computer upgrading: Syquest S