From: "Christian Strik" Subject: (fractint) ICQ Number list - Rev 1. Date: 01 May 1998 00:50:25 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0263_01BD749B.218243E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A number of members have posted their ICQ numbers / nicknames on this = list in the last couple of days. I've put them on this list for clarity = reasons. Andrew Duhan / Felix - #10363110 Paul Derbyshire - #??? Alex Dukay - #8515817 Ir=E9n=E9=E9 Mercier - #7217822 Jon Fetting - #4024153 Paul Lee - #8804332 Christian Strik - #11760568 Nhan Nguyen - #341018 Angela Wilczynski (Wizzle) - #503044 / #1205072 Michael Bell - #11379737 David Forbus - #2512475 I selected names and numbers by looking at mail subjects. I'm not = suggesting this list is complete... Any members on ICQ, who haven't mailed their #s yet, or haven't been = listed here (my fault then), please mail. Christian Strik ------=_NextPart_000_0263_01BD749B.218243E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A number of members have posted = their ICQ=20 numbers / nicknames on this list in the last couple of days. I've put = them on=20 this list for clarity reasons.

Andrew Duhan / Felix - = #10363110

Paul Derbyshire - #???

Alex Dukay - #8515817

Irénéé=20 Mercier - #7217822

Jon Fetting - #4024153

Paul Lee - #8804332

Christian Strik - #11760568

Nhan Nguyen - #341018

Angela = Wilczynski (Wizzle) -=20 #503044 / #1205072

Michael Bell - = #11379737

David Forbus - = #2512475

I selected names and numbers by = looking at mail=20 subjects. I'm not suggesting this list is complete...

Any members on ICQ, who haven't = mailed their #s=20 yet, or haven't been listed here (my fault then), please = mail.

Christian = Strik

------=_NextPart_000_0263_01BD749B.218243E0-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?SXLpbullIE1lcmNpZXI=?=" Subject: Re: (fractint) Dual-formatted mime Date: 01 May 1998 07:09:22 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BD74D0.1101EB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For Outlook Express: it's easy to get text only messages and to remove = MIME formatting To do so: Execute Outlook Express. Click on Tools Menu Click on Options Menu Click on Send Menu Click on Plain Text OR: When you are in the New Message Windows Before typing the message: Click Format Menu Click Plain Text (This will remove the check mark before Rich Text HTML) That's all Folks. Irenee Mercier irenee@boisfrancs.qc.ca -----Original Message----- From: Christian Strik To: fractint@lists.xmission.com Date: 30 avril, 1998 15:11 Subject: (fractint) Dual-formatted mime =20 =20 Thanx Ian, John. I didn't know there were/are Win-based versions of = GhostScript. =20 Besides, I saw my message was dual-formatted mime. Outlook Express = users, does any of you know how to turn it off? May save some bits & = bytes...=20 =20 Christian Strik ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BD74D0.1101EB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

For Outlook Express: it's easy to = get text only=20 messages and to remove MIME formatting

To do so:

Execute Outlook Express.

Click on Tools Menu

Click on Options Menu

Click on Send Menu

Click on Plain Text

OR:

When you are in the New Message=20 Windows

Before typing = the=20 message:

Click Format Menu

Click Plain Text (This will remove the check mark = before Rich=20 Text HTML)

That's all Folks.

Irenee Mercier

irenee@boisfrancs.qc.ca

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Christian Strik <cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl>
T= o:=20 fractint@lists.xmission.com=20 <fractint@lists.xmission.com>
Date:=20 30 avril, 1998 15:11
Subject: (fractint) = Dual-formatted=20 mime

Thanx Ian, John. I didn't know = there=20 were/are Win-based versions of GhostScript.

Besides, I saw my message was dual-formatted = mime. Outlook=20 Express users, does any of you know how to turn it off? May save = some bits=20 & bytes...

Christian = Strik

------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BD74D0.1101EB80-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Sorry... About Mandel Date: 01 May 1998 14:41:54 +0100 Jiho wrote: >Do you ever wonder if Benoit Mandelbrot cares that we never use his full >name? Well, always never use his full name or his correct last name for >that matter. It's like calling Tim Wegner, "WEG", or Lee Skinner, "SKIN". >Wouldn't it bother you? I guess *you* won't have any problems with it if we'll do it to your name ;-) Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Got a new printer Date: 01 May 1998 10:42:55 -0400 (EDT) On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, Angela Wilczynski wrote: > A note on shopping.......I found that the absolute rock bottom prices > were to be found on the web via ZD net and it's vendors and NOT in > Computer Shopper. My kid didn't believe me until I did print outs for > him. The place where we buy puter parts (Fry's here in la la land) > will match any price one can find, so we saved $175 on my puter via my > web shopping!!! Actually, you can find even lower prices at EBay or Haggle Online -- http://www.ebay.com/aw/ and http://www.haggle.com/ -- usually used equipment, but not all. Fry's has an extremely bad reputation among geeks for quality and support, but personally, I didn't have any trouble with the things I bought from them -- RJ-45 crimpers, CAT-5 cable, and a CD-ROM drive. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Dual-formatted mime Date: 01 May 1998 16:49:24 +0100 Thanx, but what I actually meant was how to keep sending HTML without the plain text part. Maybe this isn't possible, but I guess the plain text is only included for compatibility reasons, which I want to disable. (To this list I will send only messages formatted in plain text though; I've read some of the members are using very old - this is an understatement - mail readers). Christian -----Original Message----- From: Irénée Mercier To: fractint@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, May 01, 1998 12:11 PM Subject: Re: (fractint) Dual-formatted mime For Outlook Express: it's easy to get text only messages and to remove MIME formatting To do so: Execute Outlook Express. Click on Tools Menu Click on Options Menu Click on Send Menu Click on Plain Text OR: When you are in the New Message Windows Before typing the message: Click Format Menu Click Plain Text (This will remove the check mark before Rich Text HTML) That's all Folks. Irenee Mercier irenee@boisfrancs.qc.ca -----Original Message----- From: Christian Strik To: fractint@lists.xmission.com Date: 30 avril, 1998 15:11 Subject: (fractint) Dual-formatted mime Thanx Ian, John. I didn't know there were/are Win-based versions of GhostScript. Besides, I saw my message was dual-formatted mime. Outlook Express users, does any of you know how to turn it off? May save some bits & bytes... Christian Strik Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: (fractint) spooky themes Date: 01 May 1998 07:53:07 -0700 Is it just me, or does it seem a lot of us are six months out of sync? With all of the spooky themes (spiders, ghosts, goblins, Lucifer, zombies) you'd think it was Halloween! Hopefully some of us will remember to dredge this stuff up in the fall. This gives me an idea. Some of us have seasonal theme sections of our Web sites, but given the interest in certain themes relevant to holidays (I recall a number of images, including my own, for Christmas, New Year's Eve, Valentine's Day, Easter) I think it would be really cool if someone with spare server space (not me, at least not until I can scrape up the extra cash for a Simplenet account) would set up a theme page for the list. I guess I'd better start thinking about the 4th of July (relevant only to us yanks)... Bud Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Dual-formatted mime Date: 01 May 1998 11:23:00 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 1 May 1998, Christian Strik wrote: > Thanx, but what I actually meant was how to keep sending HTML without the > plain text part. Maybe this isn't possible, but I guess the plain text is > only included for compatibility reasons, which I want to disable. (To this > list I will send only messages formatted in plain text though; I've read > some of the members are using very old - this is an understatement - mail > readers). Even fairly recent mailreaders don't necessarily support HTML, you know. My mailreader is Pine 3.96, dated 28 February 1997, and it doesn't support HTML. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone porting Fractint for Windows NT Date: 01 May 1998 17:04:20 +0100 What'll happen / has happened to Turner Rentz, sender of the beloved winfract source? According to the results of the 'who' command (posted 4/30/98 18:08 CET), he's still on the list. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone porting... Date: 01 May 1998 09:17:13 -0700 At 05:04 PM 5/1/98 +0100, you wrote: >What'll happen / has happened to Turner Rentz, sender of the beloved >winfract source? No action is needed. Tim has eliminated the threat with a filter; as long as it can't happen again, I'm happy. If only such clean remedies were an option in the *real* world... Bud Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Janet Preslar Subject: (fractint) Video card/mode Date: 01 May 1998 11:29:37 -0500 In trying to get my Diamond Fire GL1000 Pro to work with FractInt, I have: 1. followed the advice of Sylvie Gallet: > I used a small freeware called vesa2cfg.exe that detects all the VESA >modes supported by your video card. Just run it and it will create a text >file called qpv.cfg. Each line of this file describes one of the VESA >modes available. For example, my qpv.cfg has the following line: > 1600 1200 256 1600 $4f02 $011c > that means: > 1600x1200 256 colors AX=4f02 BX=11c > And here is the entry I added to fractint.cfg: >CF9 ,Millennium VESA mode ,4f02, 11C, 0, 0, 28,1600,1200,256,OK: >Sylvie Gallet 2. installed SciTech Display Doctor based on the advice of Tim Wegner: >Fractint supports the VESA video standard. If you can't use Fractint >with your board, read your board docs; sometimes software that comes >with your board provides VESA support. Failing that, check out >http://www.scitechsoft.com/index.html >for the SciTech Display Doctor, a shareware utility that (among other >things) adds VESA support. The same company used to produce a >utility called UniVBE that I *think* is free. Try a web search to >find it. Since installing SDD, the vsa2cfg program recognizes many more modes for my card and I have entered the information in fractint.cfg as Sylvie suggests but I still get the message that this video mode is not supported. Does anyone have any advice here? Janet Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu Subject: Re: (fractint) Dual-formatted mime Date: 01 May 1998 11:32:22 -0600 (CST) On Fri, 1 May 1998, [iso-8859-1] Ir=E9n=E9e Mercier wrote: > For Outlook Express: it's easy to get text only messages and to remove MI= ME formatting Then how come you sent this one in HTML?=20 Please, no more! If I'm in WinDOH!s, I use Pine on the school's mail computer, and I can barely make out what is being said in these messages. Good thing quoting converts it to normal text... Justin K. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone porting Fractint for Windows NT Date: 01 May 1998 12:36:37 -0400 >>>What'll happen / has happened to Turner Rentz, sender of the beloved winfract source? According to the results of the 'who' command (posted 4/30/98 18:08 CET), he's still on the list.<<< Well, I, for one, am willing to forgive him, if he did this out of naivete and not maliciousness. Actually, if you are a new computer user and your company has always had T1 access, this is an easy mistake to make. For example, when I first saw his message and the attachment, I did not give it a second thought. For our system, a 1Mb attachment is nothing. Of course the firestorm of protest that followed is certainly justifiable. But (again, assuming he just made a mistake), he must feel bad enough already. Just my 00000010 cents. Nick Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone porting Fractint for Windows NT Date: 01 May 1998 13:01:32 -0400 nick.grasso@hrads.com wrote: > ..... he must feel bad enough already. > Not bad enough to have come forth to offer his apologies! Gedeon Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Dual-formatted mime Date: 01 May 1998 18:36:06 +0100 OK, maybe your version of Pine isn't quite old, but in a way quite old-fashioned :-) I always thought Linux (and its apps) were in front of the queues when new technologies, formats and standards are introduced. But maybe Pine is an exception to that. (Or maybe you use pine on another platform). I can't make a good judgment on Pine, as I always declined to use it. From your postings, i deduced you don't really favor windows, but for some applications (like e-mail) I think windows is the best. Except when you're using Pegasus of course :-) Christian (Sorry for this messy message). -----Original Message----- >On Fri, 1 May 1998, Christian Strik wrote: >> Thanx, but what I actually meant was how to keep sending HTML without the >> plain text part. Maybe this isn't possible, but I guess the plain text is >> only included for compatibility reasons, which I want to disable. (To this >> list I will send only messages formatted in plain text though; I've read >> some of the members are using very old - this is an understatement - mail >> readers). > >Even fairly recent mailreaders don't necessarily support HTML, you know. > >My mailreader is Pine 3.96, dated 28 February 1997, and it doesn't >support HTML. > >Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) Re: F.O.T.N. 30April98 Date: 01 May 1998 10:15:50 -0700 >>Doctor_Mouth { ; (c) Jay Hill, 1998 What a great uvula! Too many fractal mouths leave out the uvula. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Dual-formatted mime Date: 01 May 1998 19:07:43 +0100 The ease of formatting my hard drive doesn't mean I ever format my harddrive :-) Christian -----Original Message----- On Fri, 1 May 1998, [iso-8859-1] Irénée Mercier wrote: > For Outlook Express: it's easy to get text only messages and to remove MIME formatting Then how come you sent this one in HTML? Please, no more! If I'm in WinDOH!s, I use Pine on the school's mail computer, and I can barely make out what is being said in these messages. Good thing quoting converts it to normal text... Justin K. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Dual-formatted mime Date: 01 May 1998 14:07:06 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 1 May 1998, Christian Strik wrote: > OK, maybe your version of Pine isn't quite old, but in a way quite > old-fashioned :-) > I always thought Linux (and its apps) were in front of the queues when new > technologies, formats and standards are introduced. Sometimes. But Linux is fairly user-driven; people don't start implementing things until they want them. Commercial vendors implement what they think people *will* want, in the near future. Linux and Linux apps therefore tend to not be quick to jump on technology bandwagons. > But maybe Pine is an > exception to that. (Or maybe you use pine on another platform). Actually, I use Pine on SunOS 4.1 :) (I use it on Linux, too, though, and it's almost identical.) Look at the message-ID's. Ones that contain 'PINE.SOL' are running on Solaris (yes, it's funny), ones that contain 'PINE.GSO' are running on Solaris and are compiled with gcc, ones that contain 'PINE.LNX' are running on Linux, etc. > I can't make > a good judgment on Pine, as I always declined to use it. From your postings, > i deduced you don't really favor windows, but for some applications (like > e-mail) I think windows is the best. Except when you're using Pegasus of > course :-) Well, there are some really spiffy email clients for Linux these days. The ones I've heard people praise the most are TkRat (and its offspring Postilion), XFMail, and Mutt. Mutt is a text-based one, and TkRat and XFMail are GUIish. TkRat is at , with screenshots at . Postilion is at , with screenshots at . XFMail is at , with several screenshots at different URLs, like and . There are fifteen other email programs for Linux listed at . Some are spamfilters, some are user-agents (like Pegasus and the other programs I've listed), some are mail server software, some are other things. Me, I'm just lazy. Once I had a working and reasonably-nice mail user-agent, I didn't bother to change it. This is way off the topic of fractint, though. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) Video card/mode Date: 01 May 1998 14:33:21 -0400 Hi Janet, >> Since installing SDD, the vsa2cfg program recognizes many more modes >> for my card and I have entered the information in fractint.cfg as >> Sylvie suggests but I still get the message that this video mode is >> not supported. >> >> Does anyone have any advice here? Would you mind emailing me your qpv.cfg and fractint.cfg files? Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Re: ICQ Number list Date: 01 May 1998 14:16:49 -0500 Christian Strik wrote: > > A number of members have posted their ICQ numbers / nicknames on this > list in the last couple of days. I've put them on this list for > clarity reasons. > Woule someone please tell me (and others in the dark, too) how to get the assigned ICQ numbers, how to log in to the chat rooms, etc. I have my own chat software (Sprychat, I think) which I've never used. Be interesting to talk in real time to some of you, especially now that I use breath mints. Bob Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: ICQ Number list Date: 01 May 1998 15:29:02 -0500 Bob, If you want to chat with people on ICQ, you have to have ICQ. When you install the ICQ software, it will sign you up (it's free) and assign you a number. If you know the name or e-mail address of someone, you can use the ICQ software (or the mirabilis.com web site) to search for their ICQ number. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Janet Preslar Subject: (fractint) Apology Date: 01 May 1998 14:27:42 -0500 So sorry everyone! I meant to respond to Sylvie personally, not the list! Janet Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Martin <76440.1143@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: gravijul4 Date: 01 May 1998 17:25:42 -0400 Angela > Now....question here.....how long can a par name be? < Fractint recognizes the first 18 characters of an image name. There is no harm in a longer name; the extra characters are simply ignored. Same with formulas. In version 20.0, a formula name greater than 18 characters will produce an error message. Another thought anent image names: Partobat, which many of us use, keys off the image name to set the file name for saving the completed image. It is therefore helpful if image names are limited to 8 characters, *especially* if the last character or characters in a group of images is an index number (e.g. abc1, abc2, abc3 ...). George Martin Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Sorry... About Mandel Date: 01 May 1998 17:40:48 -0400 Jiho wrote: >Do you ever wonder if Benoit Mandelbrot cares that we never use his full >name? Well, always never use his full name or his correct last name for >that matter. It's like calling Tim Wegner, "WEG", or Lee Skinner, "SKIN". >Wouldn't it bother you? Hey, it's his own fault if his last name doesn't conform to DOS file naming standards . Nick Grass, errr I mean... Nick Grasso Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Music for fractal animations....... Date: 01 May 1998 23:59:53 +0100 Jerry Fox wrote: >> Do some newsreaders make it difficult to edit the quoted messages? Lots of contributors to the list seem to be unable or unwilling to 'snip' - even the bit at the end added by xmission, which we have all seen countless times. I noticed that when Paul gave the sizes of the longest 3 recent messages, one of them was 95% quote! (No names...) << You're probably referring to an e-mail message of mine. Sorry to all for the 21 kibs message. Just *forgot* to snip Turner's message. Fortunately, the reply did not not include Turner's zip file... :-) ----------- Sorry for the late response - this message was somehow still hanging around in my Drafts folder. Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Dual-formatted mime Date: 01 May 1998 23:59:47 +0100 Justin, >Christian Strik wrote: >> >> The ease of formatting my hard drive doesn't mean I ever format my harddrive >> :-) >> Christian >Hmmm... What's that have to do with sending HTML messages? If you didn't get it, I meant: although one knows *how* to change HTML to plain text, doesn't mean that one has to *change* the setting to plain text :-) >If you like Windows and are willing to work through the crashes, great. I won't >force you to switchor reformat your hard drive or anything like that. Just >because I hate Windows doesn't mean you should too. (damn e-mail... too much >room for misinterpretation in plain text... ) I'm not suffering from crashes, by the way. My WinNT 4.0 SP3 is quite stable. I've only had one crash last 3 months, and that was because of some wrong bios setting of mine. [Can't say the same of the betas of Win98 i've seen - 2&3]. >Right now, I'm still searching for the best OS. Linux has great user support >but still has things that crash or don't work quite right. Right. :-P >Guess Bill's monopoly is safe for now. :-( Hmm.. think so too. Although I prefer dos over windows over unix, I don't like microsoft's attitude towards others on the market. Yes, I copy the smiley: :-( Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) another par Date: 01 May 1998 23:59:56 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0226_01BD755D.3DE63FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 I'm still *way* behind copying and pasting pars and frms. And it looks like I won't get much further: I've seen Kathy's Godhead par, explored it, and am still exploring and = modifying it. =20 I think I give my up atheism :-) =20 I also enjoyed the visualization of Lee Skinner's Ghost of a Woolly = Mammoth. Christian ------=_NextPart_000_0226_01BD755D.3DE63FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

I'm still *way* behind copying and pasting pars and=20 frms.

And it looks like I won't get much = further:

I've seen Kathy's Godhead par, explored it, and am = still=20 exploring and modifying it.

I think I give my up atheism :-)

I also enjoyed the visualization of = Lee=20 Skinner's Ghost of a Woolly Mammoth.

Christian

------=_NextPart_000_0226_01BD755D.3DE63FB0-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Wilson" Subject: (fractint) Re: F.O.T.D. 01-05-98 (Zombie's face) Date: 01 May 1998 15:19:51 -0700 Jim Muth wrote: >Today's fractal kind of took me by surprise. It resembles a >grisly face, that much is certain. But whose face is it? May I suggest...a self-portrait, after spending too much time in fractal-land? :-) Speaking of this place...I think I found it, deep in your par, beautiful but lonely. Landscape { ; 2min at 100mhz, 640x480 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=zombie.par formulaname=multirot-xz-yw center-mag=+0.06539567053037956/-0.02000277456674175/957.7315/0.383 params=-45/90/0/0/0.243/0.508 float=y maxiter=32000 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=yes symmetry=yaxis periodicity=10 colors=000FWO<11>T7K<25>fZo<14>tCKtBIsCK<15>cDhbDicFg<21>ofJogInfH<11>ma\ GmaGkbJ<10>Yln<4>fVQPRLH9MK9HJEBME6KD6OH7M07L48O88MH9LG9OJ9MIAQHAT6BSABQ\ ECO0CSLCQPDTTDXXE<2>STFQSFQPE<23>FpQFqQGmP<14>J0H<20>LEHLEHNGK<12>kZnrSp\ yLr<19>ZpA } John Wilson Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: (fractint) Two equation formula (long) Date: 01 May 1998 18:48:08 -0500 (CDT) comment { This formula applies the same rendering method to both the classic Mandelbrot set equation (Msets and a Julia set) and the Pokorny equation (Julia sets only). In all the pars the size factor, imag(p1), is set large enough that the rings are filled in, giving the image elements the appearance of dimpled balls or spheroids. Reducing this factor to where the balls become rings gives, in effect, a whole new rendering method. I apologize for the number of pars - I guess I got carried away. Because there are a lot of them, I've numbered them in my order of preference in case you don't want to try them all. There are many more I could have included, but I thought it best to save them for a future posting. Also, this rendering method works well with a very wide range of equations, so you'll be seeing it again in several future posts. Here's the list of pars: Mandelbrot: 1 Mardi_gras_dragon - a dragon in his festive, fruity costume 2 period8_cascade - a *very* colorful cascade 6 mandelhenge - posted before(?) with different colors 4 3D_cascade - dramatic, looks like a torpedoe attack 7 double_spiral - big, rounded spiral 9 ring_tubes_mset - Mset zoom with midget 13 loops_mset - " " " 11 cross_mset - " " " 3 period8_mset - colorful Mset zoom near period 8 bulb 12 seahorse_mset - near outer edge of Mset in Seahorse Valley Pokorny: 5 highlights - interesting - peaks are lit up 8 silky_spiral - looks smooth and silky 10 footprint_spiral - strange footprints spiral in 14 pokorny_spiral - colorful, simple spiral Paul Carlson } frm:R4_Mand_Pok {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 ; real(p1) = selects equation to iterate ; 1 = Mset of w = w * w + c (default) ; 2 = Julia set of w = w * w + c ; 3 = Julia set of w = 1 / (w * w + c) ; imag(p1) = a factor controlling the size of the elements ; p2 = Julia set coordinates ; real(p3) = selects color scheme ; 1 = 2 ranges, 125 colors per range (default) ; 2 = 8 ranges, 30 colors per range ; imag(p3) = number of iterations to skip ; z = bailout = range_num = iter = 0 IF (real(p1) == 2 || real(p1) == 3) ; select Mset or Julia set w = pixel ; Julia set c = p2 ELSE w = 0 ; Mset c = pixel ENDIF k = (0.5,0.5) size = imag(p1) IF (real(p3) == 2) ; select coloring scheme num_ranges = 8 colors_in_range = 30 ELSE num_ranges = 2 colors_in_range = 125 ENDIF skip = imag(p3) index_factor = (colors_in_range - 1) / size : ;********** select equation to iterate ************** IF (real(p1) < 3) w = w * w + c ; Mandelbrot ELSE w = 1 / (w * w + c) ; Pokorny ENDIF ;**************************************************** IF (iter > skip) dist = abs(|w - k| - 0.1) IF (dist < size) bailout = 1 ENDIF ENDIF IF (bailout) z = index_factor * dist + range_num * colors_in_range + 1 ENDIF range_num = range_num + 1 IF (range_num == num_ranges) range_num = 0 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter bailout == 0 && |w| < 1.0e20 } Mardi_gras_dragon {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=r4.frm formulaname=r4_mand_pok passes=t corners=-1.568/1.568/-1.176/1.176 params=2/0.2/0.359166203/-0.09033392599999999/2/10 float=y maxiter=5000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>a\ G00zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<13>000 } period8_cascade {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=r4.frm formulaname=r4_mand_pok passes=t corners=0.359167095870493/0.359167181482118/-0.09033220899\ 13761/-0.0903324222807182/0.359167229069562/-0.0903323865901351 params=1/0.2/0/0/2/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>0\ 0OfOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00000<13>000 } highlights {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=r4.frm formulaname=r4_mand_pok passes=t corners=0.71667188/0.82476722/0.2879409/0.3690124 params=3/0.4/-1.5820911/-0.0374792/1/10 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000zVz<108>G0GG0GG0GG0GG0G<10>G0Gzz0<108>aG0aG0aG0aG0\ aG0<10>aG0000<3>000 } mandelhenge { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=r4.frm formulaname=r4_mand_pok passes=1 corners=-0.040680397538667/-0.040680253551853/-0.67898812665\ 385/-0.67898801866374 params=1/0.2/0/0/1/0 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=0K0zqa<123>WRFiY0<123>ZE0000<3>000 } 3D_cascade { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=r4.frm formulaname=r4_mand_pok passes=t corners=-0.77093087276/-0.77093084724/-0.116025147126/-0.116\ 025127986 params=1/0.1/0/0/1/100 float=y maxiter=5000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000zW0<123>d500zz<123>0CC000<3>000 } silky_spiral { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=r4.frm formulaname=r4_mand_pok passes=t corners=0.066882797/0.51967506/2.1331988/2.472793 params=3/0.1/-1.46642708/-0.05290104/1/10 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000zz0<123>aG0jzb<123>4E0000<3>000 } footprint_spiral { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=r4.frm formulaname=r4_mand_pok passes=t corners=0.554398417/0.614651883/1.5060547/1.5512448 params=3/0.1/-1.2779375/-0.0597552/1/10 float=y maxiter=500 inside=1000 outside=summ colors=000z88<123>O00zqa<123>WRF00000000M000000 } pokorny_spiral { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=r4.frm formulaname=r4_mand_pok passes=1 corners=-0.85994489/-0.71845279/0.20748351/0.31360258 params=3/0.5/-1.72/0.026666666/2/10 float=y maxiter=300 inside=253 outside=summ colors=0000zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00OfOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08\ z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG0000<13>000 } double_spiral { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=r4.frm formulaname=r4_mand_pok passes=1 corners=-1.269581672899/-1.26957485457/0.06222024394185/0.06\ 221513019505 params=1/0.07/0/0/1/50 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=0I0z88<123>O00zqa<123>WRF000<2>000kkk } ring_tubes_mset { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=r4.frm formulaname=r4_mand_pok passes=1 center-mag=-1.26956651073483800/+0.06227810403290189/35744.2\ 2/1/178.298 params=1/0.07/0/0/1/50 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=ADLMov<123>HKSsF_<123>C02000<3>000 } loops_mset { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=r4.frm formulaname=r4_mand_pok passes=t center-mag=-0.78938339439999990/-0.16322467242700000/1.62601\ 6e+008/1/17.498 params=1/0.1/0/0/1/0 float=y maxiter=5000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=0__0zz<123>0CCzW0<123>d50000<3>000 } cross_mset { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=r4.frm formulaname=r4_mand_pok passes=t center-mag=-1.39037564029000000/+0.10542908264200000/7957.76\ /1/4.999 params=1/0.1/0/0/1/0 float=y maxiter=5000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=0__zW0<123>d500zz<123>0CC000<3>000 } period8_mset { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=r4.frm formulaname=r4_mand_pok passes=t center-mag=+0.35916673430729710/-0.09033314067856232/232279.\ 6/1/-149.998 params=1/0.19/0/0/2/0 float=y maxiter=3000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=0000zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00OfOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00\ zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00zR<28>0C4000<13>000 } seahorse_mset { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=r4.frm formulaname=r4_mand_pok passes=t center-mag=-0.74923571829346300/+0.11550647295702510/48141.2\ 3/1/-14.998 params=1/0.1/0/0/1/40 float=y maxiter=5000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=IPXMov<123>HKSsF_<123>C02000<3>000 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) gravellipse Date: 01 May 1998 17:01:47 -0700 I guess it was inevitable - gravellipse. (This is my first formula or modification!) gravellipse { ;5-1-98 kathy roth ;variation of gravijul by Mark Christenson z = pixel, a=real(p3), b=imag(p3): w = fn1(z) z = fn3(p1/fn2(w*w)) + p2 real(z) * real(z)/ a + imag(z) * imag(z)/b < 1 } ge1 { ; 5-1-98 kathy roth ; variation of frm by Mark Christenson ;palette by Kerry Mitchell reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=gravel~1.frm formulaname=gravellipse function=recip/atanh/atan passes=t center-mag=1.77636e-015/-1.77636e-015/0.1626667 params=1/0/0/0/9/1 float=y inside=111 outside=atan colors=222A62EA6IA2ME6IEAMIEQIAUMEU\ I6QE2YI2aM6YMAaQEeQAiUEiQ6eM2mQ2qU6uU\ 2yY6uYAyaEqYEmUAmYIqaMuaIyeMueQyiUqeU\ maQiaUeYQiYMeUIaUMYQIYUQaYUYYYaaaYa\ eaeieeeiiiieaeaYmeYqiauiYymaumeyqiqmim\ iemmmqqquqmyuquuuyyyquymquiqyemuim\ qeimaiqYemYiuamyUiyQeuUeqQamMaqIYmIauMey\ EayAYu6Yy2Uu6Uq2QmAUmEYqEUiAQe6Q\ i2Me6Ma2IYAMYEQaIQYMUaIUeMYiQYeUaiUYaQUY\ UUUQQQUQMQMIMMMIIIIMQMQUEMUAIQ6I\ U2EQ6EM2AIAEIEIMEEEAAA6AE26A666642A86E\ 82MC2IC6IGEMGAQKEUKAQG6UG2aK2YK6YO\ EaOAeSEiSAeO6iO2mS6qS2yW2uW6y_Au_EqWAm\ WEm_Mq_IycIucMygQugUqcQmcUe_Ui_QiW\ IeWMaSIYSMaWQYWUa_YY_aYciaceegiigeec\ aicYmgaqgYykYukayoeuoiqkemkimoqqomys\ musqywuuwyqsumsyeoyiouikmekqagmYgqaku\ YkyQgyUguUcmQcqM_mI_qMcuIcyE_uA_y2W\ y6Wu2Sq6SmAWqEWmESeASi2Oi6Oe2Ka6KYAOa\ EOYMSYISaIWiMWeQ_iU_eQWaUWYQSUUSQUO\ IQOMMKIIKMMOQIOUEKQAKU2GU6GQ2CM6CI\ AGMEGIECAACE28E68A246 } ge2 { ; 5-1-98 kathy roth ; variation of frm by Mark Christenson ;palette by Kerry Mitchell reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=gravel~1.frm formulaname=gravellipse function=recip/atanh/atan passes=t center-mag=-4.44089e-016/0/0.4621212 params=1/0/0/0/1/9 float=y inside=111 outside=atan colors=222Apy6ty2xy2uu6tu6qq2qq\ 2mm6mmAmmApqElqElmEiiEeeAeeAii6ii2ii2ee6e\ e6aa2aa2YY6YYAYYAaaEaaEYYIYYMYYMaaIaaIee\ IhiMdiMdeQ`eQ`iUXiUXeUXaQ`aQYYUX\ YUUUQUUQQQUUQUUMUUIQQIQQMMMMMMIIIII\ MMIQQMQQMUUIUUEUUEQQAQQAUU6UU2UU2QQ6Q\ Q6MM2MM2II6IIAIIAMMEMMEIIEEEEEAAAAAEE\ 6EE2EE2AA6AA666266662AA2AA6EE6EE2II\ 2MM2MM6II6IIAIIEMMEMMAQQAQQEUUEUUAUU\ 6QQ6QQ2<2>aa2aa6YY6YYAYYEaaEaaAeeAee\ EiiEiiAii6ee6ee2ii2mm2mm6qq6qq2uu2y\ x2yt6ut6upAypAylEulEqlEqpAmmAmlEmhImd\ MqdMqhIuhIyhIydMudMu`Qy`QyXUuXUqXUq`Q\ m`QmXUiXUeXUe`Qi`QidMihIeeIedMaaMaa\ IYYIYYMYYQa`QaXUYXUYTYaTYaPaYTaYTeYT\ iaPiaPeeLeeLiiHiiLeiPaePaeTYiTYmTYmP\ aqPaqTYuTYyTYyPauPauLeyLeyHiuHiqHiq\ LemLemHimDmmDqq9qqDmuDmyDmy9qu9qu5uy5\ uy1yu5yq9yq9umDumDyiHyeLyeLuiHuiHqiH\ meLmeLqaPqaPmYTmYTqYTuaPuaPy<2>Q`yQ`\ uUXuUXqUXmQ`mQ`qMdqMdmIhmIhqIhuMdu\ MdyIhyElyEluApu } ge3 { ; 5-1-98 kathy roth ; variation of frm by Mark Christenson ;palette by Linda Allison reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=gravel~1.frm formulaname=gravellipse function=ident/atanh/atan passes=t center-mag=1.77636e-015/-1.77636e-015/0.1626667 params=1/0/0/0/9/1 float=y inside=111 outside=atan colors=I8F<6>unr<7>8F8<7>lyl<7>\ 05A<7>cru<7>444<7>mmz<7>I8F<7>zmm<7>A00<7\ >zzg<7>N13<7>z_K<7>g50<7>zvn<7>I8F<7>ghl\ <7>08C<7>ata<7>A0A<7>Zrk<7>C40<7\ >zii<7>F00<7>zrc<7>N57<7>yZJ<7>c20\ <7>zaV<7>F00<7>sog<7>I8F } ge4 { ; 5-1-98 kathy roth ; variation of frm by Mark Christenson ;palette by Linda Allison reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=gravel~1.frm formulaname=gravellipse function=recip/atanh/atan passes=t center-mag=-4.44089e-016/-4.44089e-016/0.2284644 params=1/0/0/0/9/1 float=y inside=111 outside=atan decomp=256 colors=47S69T47S<30>wweyyfxxe<30>\ 1I5<30>cvcexedwe<29>7GK5EJ6FK<29>dxxfzz\ fyy<29>DCRCAPDBQ<29>ieskgtjft<27>7AU } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carolyn Subject: (fractint) Re: ICQ Number list Date: 01 May 1998 19:00:28 -0500 Bob you will find the program on the Mirabilis home page. They have the program available to download. http://www.mirabilis.com Look for the red daisy. -- Carolyn car34slmo@worldnet.att.net http://www.quiknet.com/~jilld/beadwork2.htm Jesus is the Light of the world, the Bread of life and the Salvation of your soul. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: Re: (fractint) Two equation formula (long) Date: 01 May 1998 19:28:23 -0500 (CDT) My apologies again for the length of the file, as well as the flurry of formulas I've been sending. The flurry might continue for another few days - as the weather gets nicer I'll be spending less and less time at the computer and more time up in the Rocky Mountains, etc., which is why I've been dumping all this stuff on the list - you can look at the stuff at your leisure over the summer. Paul Carlson Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Blake Hyde" Subject: Re: (fractint) ICQ number Date: 01 May 1998 20:46:09 -0400 >> How many of you are on ICQ? Memememe #5411598 ~~~~Blake Hyde~~~~ bhyde@connectu.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) Dual-formatted mime Date: 01 May 1998 21:12:46 -0400 Kragen wrote: > Well, there are some really spiffy email clients for Linux these days. > The ones I've heard people praise the most are TkRat (and its offspring > Postilion), XFMail, and Mutt. Mutt is a text-based one, and TkRat and > XFMail are GUIish. XFMail? AIIIIEEE! I have seen XFMail crash 20 LANned Linux X servers! Personally witnessed it. The client hung, requiring the user to destroy the window, upon which the X session hung, bombing the X client and Windows NT (on which the X client was running). After getting the client end sorted out again, it quickly became evident that all 20 X servers had zero load averages registering and were totally incommunicado... > TkRat is at , with > screenshots at > . Is this written with that Tcl/Tk thing I keep hearing about? > XFMail is at , > with several screenshots at different URLs, like > and > . It should probably be given an ISP-independent web address merely because of infamy: http://surf.to/system/crash.html?platform=linux,winNT. -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://www3.sympatico.ca/bob.beland/indexn2f.html _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) Dual-formatted mime Date: 01 May 1998 21:16:43 -0400 [Deletia] Caveat 1: Windows NT is not all that stable especially running heavy-use server software. And it costs as much as a small Pacific island... Caveat 2: Keep an eye out for a free OS based on object oriented designs and lacking Linux stability issues coming real soon, i.e. in the next 2 years. -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://www3.sympatico.ca/bob.beland/indexn2f.html _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RENRAD1 Subject: (fractint) re:what to do with... Date: 01 May 1998 22:22:06 EDT Hi fractalnauts! I've just recently worked out how to put list posts in the fracmachine and have been greatly enjoying all of your works. Amazing eyecandy, folks, thanks so much for sharing your params, tips, math info, and formulas! A while back Morgan Owens shared a couple of pars with the list to find how others would color them. I've put here a few of my dabs at them:) Hope it mails ok! ::cracking bottle of champagne on mailbox for maiden pars:: Renrad1 Renrad1@aol.com nukespre_d98 { ; Fractal by Morgan Owens; coloring by Renrad1 ; copyright p.m.spencer April 30, 1998 ; colored_pencil style map ; love the 'hedgehog look' hard to work around the ctr flat, though. reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=lambdafroth4m function=floor/floor passes=t center-mag=-3.33067e-016/2.22045e-016/2.73224 params=0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 potential=255/400/200 invert=0.5/0/0 colors=555zzs<27>zz0000000zzu<26>3Fy0Dz000444zzu<28>S05222111\ zzu<28>0L0888555zzu<27>55J22H222222zzu<28>NI5333333zzu<28>zP44\ 44444zzu<28>0gf444555zzu } evthrzn_d98 { ;Morgan Owens fractal; coloring by Renrad1 ;Copyright p.m.spencer April 30, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=lambdafroth4m function=floor/floor passes=t center-mag=-3.33067e-016/2.22045e-016/2.73224 params=0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 potential=255/400/200 invert=0.5/0/0 colors=mml000<25>000000222<25>zuu<20>000<22>zuuCCA<15>zzlnnc\ <3>wwjzzlzzlzzlzzlzzl<19>HHDCCA00A<33>kkxmmzlly<35>22C00A000\ <32>000 } ozspray_d98 { ; Slight zoom into Morgan Owens' Working1 ; copyright p.m.spencer April 30, 1998 ; Renrad1@aol.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=lambdafroth4m function=floor/floor passes=t center-mag=0.00259503/0.193737/9.758 params=0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 potential=255/400/200 invert=0.5/0/0 colors=mml000<17>000000222<25>zuu<20>000<22>zuuCCA<15>\ zzlnnc<3>wwjzzlzzlzzlzzlzzl<19>HHDCCA00A<33>kkxmmzlly<35>\ 22C00A000<40>000 } fracweb_d98 { ; zoom, rotate, and skew from Morgan Owen's Working1 ; copyright p.m.spencer April 30, 1998 ; Renrad1@aol.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=lambdafroth4m function=floor/floor passes=t center-mag=-0.01105103268591730/+0.19464610440065960/266.3222/1/-102.5/-\ 20.472 params=0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 potential=255/400/200 invert=0.5/0/0 colors=mml000000<26>zuu<20>000<22>zuuCCA<15>zzlnnc<3>\ wwjzzlzzlzzlzzlzzl<19>HHDCCA00A<33>kkxmmzlly<35>22C00A000<58>000 } fauxfosl2_d98 { ; Working3 rotated zoomed coloring by Renrad1 ; copyright p.m.spencer April 30, 1998 ; Renrad1@aol.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=uc03 function=log passes=t center-mag=-0.45322/-0.362142/2.34375/1.1386/-90 params=0.1/0 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 colors=000```<12>zzz<30>272050161<29>xxizzkzzk<29>kkk00P<46>\ xxyzzzyyy<35>D94000EA5FB5000<37>000111333<15>ZZZ } fauxfosl3_d98 { ; Working3 rotated zoomed coloring by Renrad1 ; copyright p.m.spencer April 30, 1998 ; Renrad1@aol.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=uc03 function=log passes=t center-mag=-0.295328/-0.287951/7.306039/0.7054/173.404/-1.929 params=0.1/0 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 viewwindows=1/0.6/yes/0/0 colors=000WWW<3>000A83<20>wwozzrzzr<5>zzqzzqzzqzzpzzozznzzl\ <25>332000000000000<2>10920C20D<26>40z<23>10W10U10T00R00I00\ 9000<77>000<13>zzz<26>zzz<2>ccc } frm:lambdafroth4m(XYAxis){ bailout=(4*(|p2|<=0)+p2) z=lambda=pixel: z=lambda*z-lambda/z z=lambda*z-lambda*fn1(fn2(z)) |z|<=bailout} } frm:Uc03{; = 2z(2z-1)U02-U01 ;Prerelease 16/04/1998 t=p1,bailout=4,z=pixel: x=real(z),y=imag(z) ax=4*x-2,ay=4*y-2 Tx=fn1(ax*(ax*ax-2)) Ty=fn1(ay*(ay*ay-2)) x=x-t*Ty,y=y+t*Tx z=x+flip(y) |z|<=bailout} Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: Re: (fractint) Two equation formula (long) Date: 01 May 1998 22:38:44 -0400 Irony of the year! Paul Carlson, who was kind enough to send us 14 absolutely wonderful pars and a formula, _apologized_ twice for the lenght of his post!!!!! And the fellow who has loaded us down with a megabyte of crap? Well, we have yet to hear from him! Gedeon Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Dual-formatted mime Date: 01 May 1998 20:14:22 -0700 There are other reasons not to send HTML formatted stuff, even if everyone's mail client can handle it. The main reason, to me, is bandwidth......all that cute html stuff turns into a bigger file.....and into a huge file if "all the richness of the web" (the Netscape hype for html mail) is incorporated into the email. <> I've often wanted to strangle html mail-ee's BECAUSE I COULD read their dratted messages.....it is similar to getting that 857K file we all complained about. Graphics take up a LOT of bandwidth <> which the html mailers conveniently forget. So....with our current 15K+ email limit.....a lot of html mail would not make it to this list. Wait.....maybe that's a good idea!@!!!! If the html mailer got bounce-o-post I'd love it!!!! Serve em right for cluttering up the net. Angela Kragen wrote: > > On Fri, 1 May 1998, Christian Strik wrote: > > Thanx, but what I actually meant was how to keep sending HTML without the > > plain text part. Maybe this isn't possible, but I guess the plain text is > > only included for compatibility reasons, which I want to disable. (To this > > list I will send only messages formatted in plain text though; I've read > > some of the members are using very old - this is an understatement - mail > > readers). > > Even fairly recent mailreaders don't necessarily support HTML, you know. > > My mailreader is Pine 3.96, dated 28 February 1997, and it doesn't > support HTML. > > Kragen > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone porting Fractint for Windows NT Date: 01 May 1998 20:18:27 -0700 Nick.... I'd absolutely agree had I seen an appology from Turner to the list....but I must have missed it. Nor has he sent me a personal apology even though I replied within an hour of his posting. Anyone else hear from him? If not, I'm going to assume he isn't any too contrite. Angela > > Well, I, for one, am willing to forgive him, if he did this out of naivete > and not maliciousness. Actually, if you are a new computer user and your > company has always had T1 access, this is an easy mistake to make. For > example, when I first saw his message and the attachment, I did not give it > a second thought. For our system, a 1Mb attachment is nothing. Of course > the firestorm of protest that followed is certainly justifiable. But > (again, assuming he just made a mistake), he must feel bad enough already. > > Just my 00000010 cents. > > Nick > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Two equation formula (long) Date: 01 May 1998 20:29:03 -0700 Gedeon..... yes....well....hmmmmm....but Paul has both talent and savoir faire.....it's always nice dealing with a gentleman. Angela Gedeon Peteri wrote: > > Irony of the year! Paul Carlson, who was kind enough to send us 14 > absolutely wonderful pars and a formula, _apologized_ twice for the lenght > of his post!!!!! And the fellow who has loaded us down with a megabyte of > crap? Well, we have yet to hear from him! > > Gedeon > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: Re: (fractint) Two equation formula (long) Date: 01 May 1998 23:40:01 -0400 Angela Wilczynski wrote: > Gedeon..... > > yes....well....hmmmmm....but Paul has both talent and savoir faire.....it's > always nice dealing with a gentleman. Exactly my sentiment too! And with a lady. Gedeon Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Dual-formatted mime Date: 02 May 1998 00:08:13 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 1 May 1998, Paul Derbyshire wrote: > I have seen XFMail crash 20 LANned Linux X servers! Impressive! I think you mean '20 LANned Linux servers running X clients'. Presumably they were not all running a single instance of XFmail, though, since normally such programs run on only one machine at a time. I'm really rather puzzled about what might have caused this fault to propagate... what version of Linux was it? > hung, bombing the X client and Windows NT (on which the X client was running). 'X client' is something like XFmail, xterm, what have you, that uses the facilities provided by the 'X server' -- namely, access to keystrokes and screen graphics. So the server runs on your desktop, and the client runs in the data center. Weird. > > TkRat is at , with > > screenshots at > > . > > Is this written with that Tcl/Tk thing I keep hearing about? Yep. BTW, you can get Tcl/Tk (with great docs and lots of examples) for Win32 and the Mac; I think www.scriptics.com or sunscript.sun.com might be good places to start. It's *great*. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shauna Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Got a new printer Date: 01 May 1998 19:50:11 -1000 I like www.pricewatch.com. Actually, HI's pretty good for computer prices right now - we have Computer City and Circuit City busy undercutting each others' prices as they get established, plus another big one scheduled to arrive in a few months (August, I think). That's three big retailers on an island that has only about 850,000 total population. Plus we have a local shop doing a fine job at http://www.byteware.com . Unfortunately, the computer budget for the first six months has been spent already, and the next six months has been commandeered by a dead transmission. On 1 May 98 at 10:42, Kragen wrote: > On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, Angela Wilczynski wrote: > > A note on shopping.......I found that the absolute rock bottom prices > > were to be found on the web via ZD net and it's vendors and NOT in > > Computer Shopper. My kid didn't believe me until I did print outs for > > him. The place where we buy puter parts (Fry's here in la la land) > > will match any price one can find, so we saved $175 on my puter via my > > web shopping!!! > > Actually, you can find even lower prices at EBay or Haggle Online -- > http://www.ebay.com/aw/ and http://www.haggle.com/ -- usually used > equipment, but not all. Another blast of bits from David Visit our not-so-boring web page: http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/ Visit the Hawaii Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net Random Thought for this Nanosecond Oh bother. Beavis and Butthead have roasted Piglet. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: (fractint) Flexball Spirals Formula Date: 02 May 1998 01:09:51 -0500 (CDT) comment { This formula applies my flexball rendering method to a spiral-generating equation. Although I designed the flexball method especially for Mset images that include midgets, it turns out that it does a nice job with spirals also. These images are brand new - made for the first time this evening. The last par, fbspirm4, is not stictly a spiral - it has a tiny midget at the center. Although this image uses my eight-range rainbow-like color map, the colors turned out quite subdued and the image looks like it has many tiny flowers in it. This image, along with fbspirm1, are my favorites of this bunch. Paul Carlson } frm:FlexBalls_R4 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 ; p1 = radius of center of ring (0.01 to 10) ; p2 = one half thickness of ring (0.01 to p1) ; c = pixel w = z = iter = bailout = 0 d0 = p1 + p2 d1 = 0.382683432365 * p1 d2 = 0.923879532511 * p1 dsqd = d0 * d0 + p1 * p1 - (d0 + d0) * d2 : w = c * ((w - 1)^2) / ((w + 1)^2) ; IF ((abs(cabs(w) - p1) < p2) && iter > 0) bailout = 1 wr = real(w), wi = imag(w) awr = abs(wr), awi = abs(wi) IF (awr >= awi) dist = (awr - d2) * (awr - d2) + (awi - d1) * (awi - d1) adjust = 1 ELSE dist = (awr - d1) * (awr - d1) + (awi - d2) * (awi - d2) adjust = 0 ENDIF IF (wr >= 0 && wi >= 0) range_num = 1 - adjust ELSEIF (wr < 0 && wi >= 0) range_num = 2 + adjust ELSEIF (wr < 0 && wi < 0) range_num = 5 - adjust ELSE range_num = 6 + adjust ENDIF ratio = sqrt(dist / dsqd) z = 29 * ratio + range_num * 30 + 1 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter bailout == 0 && |w| < 1000 } fbspirm1 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fbr4.frm formulaname=flexballs_r4 passes=1 center-mag=-2.82474314626309600/+1.84668632926580900/895.8193\ /1/-37.499 params=0.1/0/0.01/0 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ invert=1/0/0 colors=0000zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00OfOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z\ 88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG0000<10>000zzz000000 } fbspirm2 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fbr4.frm formulaname=flexballs_r4 passes=1 center-mag=-2.81660781050898400/+1.83773967258051900/4339.874\ /1/-37.499 params=0.1/0/0.0185/0 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ invert=1/0/0 colors=000z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCG\ Gz<28>00OfOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08000<10>000zzz000000 } fbspirm3 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fbr4.frm formulaname=flexballs_r4 passes=1 center-mag=-4.85050645044610900/+0.82642201391573340/5428.117 params=0.14/0/0.0185/0 float=y maxiter=3000 inside=253 outside=summ invert=1/0/0 colors=000zz0<28>aG00zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00OfOz<28>I0Kz\ 0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40000<13>000 } fbspirm4 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fbr4.frm formulaname=flexballs_r4 passes=t center-mag=-3.62760013362999200/+1.71926806871101800/4246818 params=0.2/0/0.01/0 float=y maxiter=3000 inside=253 outside=summ invert=1/0/0 colors=000q77<9>O00c40<14>xU0zW0yU0<11>c40aG0<14>xw0zz0yw0<11\ >aG00C4<15>0zR<12>0C40CC<15>0zz<12>0CC00O<14>FFwGGzFFw<11>00O\ SA`<14>eNxfOzeNw<10>K2OO08<15>z0f<12>R0BO08O00<15>z88w88t7700\ 0<13>000 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Turner W. Rentz, III" Subject: RE: (fractint) Anyone porting... Date: 02 May 1998 02:12:54 -0400 A sad footnote here is that the post to the list, is C++ source code for a new fractint program ; not one person responded to that - it was all "spam" to them. Triste. I've learned my lesson. There are close to 800 messages here and not one of them has to do with the development of software. Beauty and discipline go hand in hand, as do spam and blatant harmfulness. Posting source such as that was a mistake; one forgets that people do access the internet by modem. It must have been ghastly. I have chosen you essentially at random; if you know of anyone who sees the computer source code as something other than "spam" please let me know; we might can work together to get this code written. I believe the stone soup group still exists somewhere... -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 8:44 PM On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Paul N. Lee wrote: > Not to mention the 70 individuals on the Fractint-Digest List. Hopefully -- depending on when fractint-digest goes out -- the bombing can be prevented from reaching those folks. Kragen - Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Les St Clair" Subject: (fractint) April Par Collection Date: 02 May 1998 11:11:27 +0100 Hi all, The Fractint List par collection for April is now available for download at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/ Don't forget to update your .frm collection while you're there! BTW, a few pars posted on the 30th Apr. actually showed up on my server on 1st May, these will, of course, appear in next month's collection. Enjoy! - Les Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Valero Subject: Re: (fractint) Two equation formula (long) Date: 02 May 1998 07:48:35 -0400 At 10:38 PM 01/05/98 -0400, Gedeon wrote: >...And the fellow who has loaded us down with a megabyte of >crap? Well, we have yet to hear from him! I was fortunate enough to have my email reader set to reject automatically downloading very large files so wasn't greatly inconvenienced. However, after all the mail about this item I am curious: was it good crap but just too long or was it really junk? Regards - Jack visit our fractal gallery: http://www.globalserve.net/~jval/phractal.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: Re: (fractint) Two equation formula (long) Date: 02 May 1998 07:09:47 -0500 Jack Valero wrote: > . However, after all the mail about this item > I am curious: was it good crap but just too long or was it > really junk? > I'm sure most of us on this list server can state that we had no need for it. Yes it was very long. It was a zipped file that took several minutes to download and, judging from the accompanying message, most of us would have no use for the file after it was unzipped. The accompanying message seemed to come from a fan of Art Bell's (see www.artbell.com). Big . It had a lot of gibberish pertaining to Winfract, I think. Regards, Bob Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Re: ICQ Number list Date: 02 May 1998 08:11:09 -0500 Thanks to Damien and Carolyn for helping me get the ICQ program. I've installed it and, after going nearly blind reading the lengthy license agreement and agreeing to its conditions (most of which I can't remember now ), have been assigned # 11924047. Hope to meet some of you soon and talk Fractal Art shop. Bob Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Two equation formula (long) Date: 02 May 1998 06:56:41 -0700 Jack... While not a programmer myself, Turner tells us he sent code in C+ that would allow Fractint to run under NT. The last time I visited the wish list, this was probably the #1 request. And with Uncle Bill telling the world that WIN 98 is the last of the DOS products, moving our favorite fractal program to NT is essential. So....sounds like we have a potential good thing here. No broken arms and legs out there because of the big post, I hope??? Just inconvenience??? I, for one, am thrilled with the idea of being able to run Fractint under NT.....which I have at the dreaded w*rk. And I have a wish list.....a very loooooooooooooooong wish list. I also know we have lots of clever programming types on the list who probably look forward to reading all that code while subsisting off of Snickers, Coke and potato chips. Seems silly to hold a grudge. Welcome aboard Turner..... <> Angela Jack Valero wrote: > > At 10:38 PM 01/05/98 -0400, Gedeon wrote: > >...And the fellow who has loaded us down with a megabyte of > >crap? Well, we have yet to hear from him! > > I was fortunate enough to have my email reader set to reject > automatically downloading very large files so wasn't greatly > inconvenienced. However, after all the mail about this item > I am curious: was it good crap but just too long or was it > really junk? > > Regards - Jack > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?SXLpbullIE1lcmNpZXI=?=" Subject: Re: (fractint) Dual-formatted mime Date: 02 May 1998 10:19:04 -0400 Sorry, I only showed how to do it but it was not necessary for me to send= it in Plain text format. however, I hope this one is that format: In menu format, I clicked Plain Text In Options Send Menu, I clicked Plain Text in Mail Sending Format choices. Ir=E9n=E9e Mercier -o-o-o-o-o-o-o- -----Original Message----- > > >On Fri, 1 May 1998, [iso-8859-1] Ir=E9n=E9e Mercier wrote: > >> For Outlook Express: it's easy to get text only messages and to remove MIME formatting >Then how come you sent this one in HTML? > >Please, no more! If I'm in WinDOH!s, I use Pine on the school's mail >computer, and I can barely make out what is being said in these messages. >Good thing quoting converts it to normal text... > >Justin K. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: Re: (fractint) Two equation formula (long) Date: 02 May 1998 10:30:06 -0500 Bob Margolis wrote: > > Jack Valero wrote: > > > . However, after all the mail about this item > > I am curious: was it good crap but just too long or was it > > really junk? > > > > I'm sure most of us on this list server can state that we had no need > for it. > It had a lot of gibberish pertaining to > Winfract, I think. Then it should have gone to the fractdev list IMHO. After all, it is sources for a Windows NT Fractint, which most of the people on the regular Fractint list would have no use for. It might have had a chance on the Fractdev list to be a little bit useful. But still, it's too big to be submitted without advance warning at the very least. Justin K. -- I sense a great disturbance in the Source. Justin A. Kolodziej I am 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu Marquette University is http://www.mu.edu Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: Re: (fractint) Dual-formatted mime Date: 02 May 1998 10:32:15 -0500 Ir=E9n=E9e Mercier wrote: >=20 > Sorry, I only showed how to do it but it was not necessary for me t= o send it > in Plain text format. >=20 > however, I hope this one is that format: >=20 > In menu format, I clicked Plain Text >=20 > In Options Send Menu, I clicked Plain Text in Mail Sending Format c= hoices. >=20 > Ir=E9n=E9e Mercier It sure is, thanks. The rest of the list, I hope, will thank you too. No hard feelings I hope. It's just that the standing rule on the lis= t is plain text only. Justin A. Kolodziej --=20 I sense a great disturbance in the Source. Justin A. Kolodziej I am 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu Marquette University is http://www.mu.edu Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: Re: (fractint) Two equation formula (long) Date: 02 May 1998 11:40:53 -0400 Angela Wilczynski wrote: > So....sounds like we have a potential good thing here. No broken arms and legs > out there because of the big post, I hope??? Just inconvenience??? > > Seems silly to hold a grudge. Welcome aboard Turner..... I am with Angela on this one. Now that we have an explanation and expressions of regret, my attitude too changes. In turn, I apologize for using the word 'crap' in this connection. I should have said 'weed' instead. As everyone knows, even a beautiful flower may be just a weed in a vegetable garden. Gedeon Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone porting... Date: 02 May 1998 08:46:47 -0700 At 06:56 AM 5/2/98 -0700, Wizzle wrote: >... >Seems silly to hold a grudge. Welcome aboard Turner..... I agree. However, just one more commentary on e-mail bombs and then I'll shut up. Unless I specifically request it, I NEVER want to see ANYTHING bigger than 200KB from ANYONE. A very good friend of mine (since 1971) sent a 1MB Heineken Easter post card. I chastized him mildly (only because of his privileged position) and asked him not to do it again, but forgave him because "it *was* pretty cool" (and because I have known him one score and seven years). I don't care if it's Reba and Zootie's greatest hits or nude pictures of Janet Jackson! (Okay, maybe I wouldn't mind the Janet pix ;o) ) The only two huge posts I would accept without issue would be either 1) a book of life's great secrets by God (you know, all of the good stuff he didn't reveal to the Jews, or Jesus' followers, or Mohammed, etc.) or 2) a book on how to get anything you desire by Lucifer (hey, it seems to work pretty well for politicians, CEOs, and Bill Gates!). (I know, Bill *is* Satan, right? Or is it Alan Greenspan? Or Chief "Justice" Rhenquist? Nope, must be Bill; the other two were born before Hitler ate lead.) Bud Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: (fractint) ICQ Number list - Rev.2 Date: 02 May 1998 16:50:50 +0100 A number of members have posted their ICQ numbers / nicknames on this list in the last couple of days. I've put them on this list for clarity reasons. Added Bob Margolis, Blake Hyde & Ralph Jones. Welcome. Added Paul D's #. Michael Bell - #11379737 Paul Derbyshire - #10423848 Andrew Duhan / Felix - #10363110 Alex Dukay - #8515817 Jon Fetting - #4024153 David Forbus - #2512475 Blake Hyde - #5411598 Ralph Jones - #11903613 Paul Lee - #8804332 Bob Margolis - #11924047 Irénée Mercier - #7217822 Nhan Nguyen - #341018 Christian Strik - #11760568 Angela Wilczynski (Wizzle) - #503044 / #1205072 I selected names and numbers by looking at mail subjects. I'm not suggesting this list is complete... Any members on ICQ, who haven't mailed their #s yet, or haven't been listed here (my fault then), please mail. Christian Strik Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: RE: (fractint) Anyone porting... Date: 02 May 1998 11:31:24 -0600 Turner wrote:. > There are close to 800 messages here and not one of them > has to do with the development of software. Software development is off topic for this list, although I don't enforce that much because the list members haven't strayed onto development topics enough for it to be a problem. If anyone is interested in fractint software development, email me privately. > I believe the stone soup group still exists somewhere... We do indeed exist. We have forgiven you, but understand the reason I didn't respond was that for a couple of days I was preoccupied with dealing with the results of your attachment :-(. I received about 15 copies of it through a 14K modem. I did glance at your file. It looked like you were trying to compile Winfract. I have no interest in this because Winfract is very old, and furthermore is just as tied to 16 bit segmented memory programming as the DOS fractint. Porting efforts to Win95 should probably start with the current Xfractint version, unless you are prepared to port the assembler to a flat memory environment. But as I said, such programming arcania are off topic for this list, so if you or anyone else wants to pursue this, let me know by private email. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: F.O.T.N. 30April98 Date: 02 May 1998 09:33:39 -0700 > From: kathy roth > To: Fractint@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (fractint) Re: F.O.T.N. 30April98 > Date: Friday, May 01, 1998 10:15 AM > > >>Doctor_Mouth { ; (c) Jay Hill, 1998 > > What a great uvula! Too many fractal mouths leave > out the uvula. > Yea, pretty disgusting, come to think of it. You may find the next (May 2) FotN quite a surprise. Dr. E puts on a special dress for a special spy mission. I think she is learning some of Dr. J's tricks. But since she isn't a Mad Scientist, perhaps she will not get into trouble. Jim, I really like New Mandy Minibrot. That has a lot to explore. If Dr. E runs into Zombie's Face on her next mission, I think that would bring it to an untimely end. And thanks for the map, now we know where headquarters is. Jay Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: (fractint) Ghost Julias and a bug Date: 02 May 1998 09:43:36 -0700 comment { ; commentary and pars by Bud 5/2/98 I've been playing with Kerry's Ghost formulas, and have a couple to show and a Fractint bug. Sorry about the obscure names; they're derived from a lineage coded naming scheme I was using in 1991. The palette is only my second bipolar palette, and is loosely based on a Wizzle palette (did I say "palette" often enough?) About the bug: it involves what I call "core drag", where the program encounters the interior of the set and keeps plotting interior color even though the coordinates should escape. The problem is not unique to this formula; I have encountered it in several gravijul images. It can be cleared by increasing maxiter, but only if all points are outside the set. The third image was the best result I could get - all other pass methods were even worse. I have included an edited copy of the formula, with apologies to Kerry (but I figured better than getting nicked for not including it at all). Bud } gm32j11 { ; m32j1 in ghost mode: "subtle" - (c) Bud 4/29/98 ; a L. K. Mitchell formula reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=filist.frm formulaname=ghost_jul passes=t center-mag=0/0.14358/1.82 params=-1.250996/0.016863/4/0.07000000000000001 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=200 decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=G7E<6>67N47O58P<4>7DS8ET9FUAGUAGU<45>lyymzzmyz<44>CHXBGWAFV9EU9 DT\ 8CT<3>58Q57P67O<10>K7AL78M77O75P86<52>yxkyylzzmzzmyyl<53>Q87P76O77<4>H7D cyclerange=0/255 } gm32j12 { ; m32j1 in ghost mode: "bold" - (c) Bud 4/29/98 ; a L. K. Mitchell formula reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=filist.frm formulaname=ghost_jul passes=t center-mag=0/0.14358/1.82 params=-1.250996/0.016863/4/0.8 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=200 decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=P76<13>67M47O58P<5>8ET9FUAGUAGU<45>lyymzzmyz<44>CHXBGWAFV9EU9DT 8C\ T<3>58Q57P67O<12>M77O75P86<54>zzmzzmyyl<53>Q87 cyclerange=0/255 } ghjp2a { ; ghjp2 in ghost mode - (c) Bud 4/29/98 ; has "core drag" bug reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=filist.frm formulaname=ghost_jul passes=t center-mag=5.78e-006/-8.65e-007/0.6666663 params=0.2875/0.01095/4/1 float=y maxiter=300 decomp=256 colors=G7E<7>47O<6>8ET9FUAGUAGU<45>lyymzzmyz<44>CHXBGWAFV9EU9DT8CT<3>5 8Q\ 57P67O<12>M77O75P86<54>zzmzzmyyl<53>Q87P76O77<4>H7D } frm:ghost_jul { ; Kerry Mitchell maxr=real(p2), scale=imag(p2)*pi/128 ol2=1/log(2), fac=log(0.5*log(maxr)) iter=1, zc=pixel, c=p1, background=pixel : iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c if ((|zc|>maxr)||(iter==maxit)) smooth=(iter+ol2*(fac-log(log(cabs(zc)))))*scale angle=cos(smooth)+flip(sin(smooth)) z=background*angle if (iter==maxit) z=background endif iter=-1 endif iter>0 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James R. McKenzie" Subject: (fractint) Please, Enough about Turner's mistake! Date: 02 May 1998 11:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Please leave Turner Rentz alone! I know his mistake was painful for everyone in one way or another on this list but I don't believe he did it out of malice, just inexperience. Turner if your out there I did the same type of thing when I first joined, I posted ORGFORM.ZIP to the list and everyone took turns ripping me a new ass for the pleasure too. Stick it out, stay on the list. Any time a convenience becomes temporarily out of reach everyone wants to scream the "REBEL YELL" and start slashing at who/what ever caused the problem. I took my lumps and bear the scars but I kept going and I might have accidentally said something of a quasi-useful nature once or twice. E-Mail is a damn nice thing to have and in some cases the nature of ones work might make it a true nessessity but this is for the most part a "HOBBY" listserv, most of us don't make a dime from FRACTINT. It's something we do for fun. Yes, alot of us receive "ALL" of our E-Mail through the same E-Mail account but that's by choice to some degree (the free E-Mail for life accounts work folks, I know this because I'm using one NOW, I actually have 2 FREE accounts "AND" a regular E-Mail account with my ISP) and can in most cases be rectified by trying one of the freebie account providers. I use both Yahoo and Alta Vista accounts. They both limit your space to about 3 meg., but Still I haven't been botched as of yet including the BIG BAD file attachment. My only problem is storing the posts with Par's, MAp's & Frm's from XMISSION & Fractal-Art. They take up 3 meg in a hurry. Yahoo lets me know way ahead of time though so I can clear out any old stuff and make more room. I only keep 'em til Les St. Clair posts them in the FML files on his C-Serve site the following month. Please people, Turner most likely didn't know what would happen or did it on an impulse. He most likely feels like hell for It. That pound of flesh don't come off easily and it ain't gonna be anything he gets over any time soon either. Just trying to be a voice of reason here. Now you can all attack me again and maybe turner can run for the hills. Flame privately please. James R. McKenzie WHOOKAM88@YAHOO.COM _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carolyn Subject: (fractint) Re:Fractal Chatting Date: 02 May 1998 13:13:50 -0500 Is this still going on and do you have a specfic day or everyday?? >If anyone would like to join us, Paul Carlson and I will be trying out IRC >chatting at 8PM Pacific Standard Time on the Undernet. We will be in >#fractals -- Carolyn car34slmo@worldnet.att.net http://www.quiknet.com/~jilld/beadwork2.htm Jesus is the Light of the world, the Bread of life and the Salvation of your soul. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Weldon Morgan" Subject: (fractint) Filtering images with Fractint Date: 02 May 1998 13:21:29 -0500 Part of the reason I became interested in Fractint had to do with the possibility of improving the resolution of photographic images through the use of fractel technology. As I understand it, one can use the fractel algorithm to simulate the pixel information that does not exist in the original image. Does anyone on this list have any information on this process, or can point me in the right direction Weldon Morgan Boston, MA USA wmorgans@tiac.net Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Earl Simpson" Subject: Re: (fractint) Please, Enough about Turner's mistake! Date: 02 May 1998 16:45:41 -0500 -----Original Message----- James R. McKenzie wrote: >Please leave Turner Rentz alone! > Flame privately please. > > James R. McKenzie > And I say well said James. In addition, for those of us that are perfect, let's go for a walk , on WATER. Earl Simpson Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: Re: (fractint) Filtering images with Fractint Date: 02 May 1998 14:55:09 -0700 At 01:21 PM 5/2/98 -0500, Weldon Morgan wrote: >... >Does anyone on this list have any information on this >process, or can point me in the right direction Probably the best place to start would be Iterated Systems, a company started by mathematician Michael Barnlsey and the DoD. They developed fractal image compression software for ? (well, you can guess) and later marketed commercial derivatives. It used to be quite pricey, but I understand prices have come down and various discounts (educational use, etc.) are available. Michael also wrote one of my favorite texts, "Fractals Everywhere", which I highly recommend to fractal fiends. I'm sure others would be interested to hear about what you discover in your search. Bud Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) self-similarity Date: 02 May 1998 17:36:07 -0700 > From: James R. McKenzie > To: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (fractint) self-similarity > Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 7:40 AM > > OK, I've seen a lot self-similar areas before but this one continues to > befuddle me. All self-similar areas I have seen before, well, look > self-similar. For example a spiral. But this one doesn't look like any > spiral I've seen before. I zoomed in to about 1+e20 and have yet to see > a > minibrot at the center. If anybody else has seen something like please > enlighten me. > > full image: http://152.228.63.174/ftp_cnspace/fract186.gif > jcamp1 { ; jon camp ; http://www.valpo.edu/home/student/jcamp/index.html reset=1960 type=mandel center-mag=+0.2834829571632703/+0.01034503912890549/1.719957e+10 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=1024 colors=C0C5PP<60>czzczzbyy<52>1LLUF0\ <54>zzrzzrzyq<66>WI3VH2VG1UF00KK<2>1\ LL1LL2MM2NN<2>4OO } > > jon camp > valparaiso university This is a pretty self-similar pattern. If you back off to where it is no longer self similar, you can see nearby midgets easily. At the 10^10 zoom above, the midgets are like 10^-20 and hard to find. Here is my take on the backed off version and a nearby midget which you can zoom in on. Jay jcamp1-backoff { ; jon camp ; http://www.valpo.edu/home/student/jcamp/index.html ; A complicated self-similar point. Nearby midgets are ; the S shaped patterns like the one 1/2 way to upper left reset=1960 type=mandel center-mag=+0.28348295716327/+0.01034503912890549/1.238605e+008 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=1024 colors=C0C5PP<60>czzczzbyy<52>1LLUF0\ <54>zzrzzrzyq<65>WJ4WI3VH2VG1UF00KK<\ 2>1LL1LL2MM2NN<2>4OO } jcamp1-backoff2 { ; jon camp ; http://www.valpo.edu/home/student/jcamp/index.html ; Here is a nearby midget with ; the S shaped pattern reset=1960 type=mandel center-mag=+0.283482953176237/+0.01034504196108545/2.20497e+008 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=10240 colors=C0C5PP<60>czzczzbyy<52>1LLUF0\ <54>zzrzzrzyq<65>WJ4WI3VH2VG1UF00KK<\ 2>1LL1LL2MM2NN<2>4OO } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: (fractint) lava_tube par Date: 02 May 1998 21:02:50 -0400 The following par is a modification of a fractal/par I came up with a while ago. It is based on one of Paul Carlson's frms' as is indicated: ============================================================================> lava_tube { ; Frm:Cosh_Rings_Mset (c) Paul Carlson, 1998 ; Par: Copyright (c) David Shanholtzer, 1998 ; color map: skydye12 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=cosh_rings_mset passes=t center-mag=-1.84013726187951500/-1.70603000000000000/48.34952/1/-17.499 params=1.16/0/8/0 float=y maxiter=2500 inside=zmag outside=summ finattract=y colors=000F1C<3>O2J<8>31a00d04f<8>0cz<7>05g00d20b<8>O2J<12>101201<8>M2HO\ 2JS2H<8>z00<8>zs0zv0zs0<7>z00<9>O2J<2>K2FI2EG2DE2BD2A<5>212000000<4>D1AF\ 1CH1DJ1FM2HO2JK2LK2N<6>30b00d04f<8>0cz<7>05g00d20b<8>O2J<13>000<4>A07C19\ D19D1AE1B<4>Y1Bb2Cf1A<4>z00<8>zs0zv0zs0<7>z00<9>O2J<13>000<5>D1A } If you do not have the .frm, I will be happy to forward it to you providing Paul Carlson has no objections. davides@pipeline.com Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Synthlab@interpath.com (Robert Shanks) Subject: Re: (fractint) Xfractint on Linux Date: 02 May 1998 20:28:27 -0500 >Fractint-List, > >Sorry for that last message, I didn't intend for it to be list-wide. > >Anyone want to see the latest in Fractint for the Macintosh? I could >enclose it in an email. haha. just kidding. no, really ;-) > No, really... no haha. I have Macs and PCs but do more design stuff on the Mac. I would love to see a Mac Fractint! What can I send you to help out?... cases of Jolt Cola? Bags of money? Dancing girls? Cheers, Robert Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Synthlab@interpath.com (Robert Shanks) Subject: (fractint) fractals n' music Date: 02 May 1998 20:41:01 -0500 For example: a majestically beautiful and complex fractal >like Kathy Roth's recent "Godhead" could appear dissolving to the final >chords of Mahler's Resurrection Symphony. Paul Carlson's "bubbly" >fractals would go well with Vivaldi bassoon concerti. And what about Dr. >J's humorous stuff? Perhaps Alban Berg's Violin Concerto, though some >would say that the latter is not funny. The gravijuls are definitely >suited to Haydn String Quartets, in my opinion. And Jim Muth's fantastic >output ranges anywhere from Bach to Shostakovich. As for my own >creations, I modestly prefer to view them silently. > >Gedeon COOL!!! now there's an idea! the next time you post a par - post what music might be good with it. Now I know everybody has different taste, but now let's not be afraid of that! I'm a musician so this clicks with me, but it would be really interesting to see where the rest of the fractal community is coming from. Cheers, Robert Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Synthlab@interpath.com (Robert Shanks) Subject: Re: (fractint) Music for fractal animations....... Date: 02 May 1998 20:44:53 -0500 >Aphex Twin, Enigma, Orbital, or any other good techno band. > >Or maybe Einsturzende Neubauten for the more chaotic pieces. :) Don't forget the Shamen. RS Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: Re: (fractint) lava_tube par Date: 02 May 1998 20:47:47 -0500 (CDT) >lava_tube { ; Frm:Cosh_Rings_Mset (c) Paul Carlson, 1998 > ; Par: Copyright (c) David Shanholtzer, 1998 [snip] Nice image, David - uncluttered and dramatic. >If you do not have the .frm, I will be happy to forward it to you providing >Paul Carlson has no objections. No objections at all - that's what I post them for - to be used. Paul Carlson Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THADDAEUS PARKER Subject: (fractint) ICQ Number List--Revision Date: 03 May 1998 02:17:18 Thanks for the list, Christian. Felix has set up an ICQ fractsl group at http://groups.icq.com/group.asp?no28214 It is amazing how many people across the world have a fractal mindset! I am still working on my original pars and frms. There are so many to look at and comment on that I am running out of HDD space real fast. Especially for the small laptop that I use. Keep up the "Deep Zooming"! Cheers, Thadd. Thaddaeus Parker US Marine Guard American Embassy Cairo ICQ# 3304633 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: (fractint) gravellipse pars Date: 02 May 1998 22:31:54 -0400 Thanks to Kathy Roth we have another nice variation of the gravijul formula. Needless to say, I could not resist exploring it. Here are 10 pars. Gedeon *************************************************************** gp-gel-01 { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, May 02, 1998 ; Kathy Roth's variation of Mark Christenson's ; gravijul formula ; Droz8 map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=gravellipse function=ident/log/log passes=t center-mag=4.90595/-1.55431e-015/1.196079/1/90 params=1/0/0/0/-1/1 float=y inside=111 outside=atan colors=000d``<3>jiikkkjii<4>b__aYY`WW_UUYSS<13>G00WG0\ <21>yxUzzWyyU<21>XI1WG0WG1<29>yVizWkyVh<14>WG0G00<22>\ zWG<23>G000WWGWW0WW0WW<8>kkk`gg<17>0WW\ WOO<10>kkk<18>H22G00G00<15>bZZ } gp-gel-02 { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, May 01, 1998 ; Kathy Roth's variation of Mark Christenson's ; gravijul formula ; Droz8 map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=gravellipse function=ident/flip/log passes=t center-mag=-2.22045e-016/0/0.7473842 params=1/0/0/0/-1/1 float=y maxiter=1023 outside=atan colors=000zs_zt`zuazvczu`<30>eLA<14>pcRqdSqcR<13>fQCeP\ BdPB<14>XI8G00<19>ypE<11>YK8<26>wmJwnKvlJ<15>eLAzp0zp0\ XI5<27>yx_zy`zyazya<30>XI5sI0<26>zqZ } gp-gel-03 { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, May 01, 1998 ; Kathy Roth's variation of Mark Christenson's ; gravijul formula ; Color map by Ray Girvan reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=gravellipse function=ident/exp/log passes=t center-mag=-4.44089e-015/7.77156e-016/0.3758171/1/-20 params=1/0/0/0/0.1/-0.1 float=y maxiter=1023 outside=atan colors=ZG5ZG5<2>bMBdODfQFhSHiUK<8>xlc<10>HDCDA9976543000\ <15>zqk<12>uaPt`Nt_LsYJsYJrXI<12>gN8fM7gN9<13>vj`xlcxkb\ <11>sXIrWGrVEqTCpTCoSC<10>aM9`M8_L8YK7YK7<14>MB4<12>n`R\ qbTsdVvgXvfW<13>pTBoR9nR9<12>`H6_H5ZG5YG5XF5<13>G6\ 3<15>tbQ<14>kPAjO8jO8<13>_H6 } gp-gel-04 { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, May 01, 1998 ; Kathy Roth's variation of Mark Christenson's ; gravijul formula reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=gravellipse function=ident/asin/cotanh passes=1 center-mag=-2.22045e-016/8.88178e-016/0.7791667 params=1/0/0/0/2/2 float=y maxiter=1023 outside=atan potential=255/255/0 invert=0.668449197860963/0/0 colors=000NNT<10>cdieejddi<14>JKQ00z<14>0zz<15>00z5Mf\ <21>TeuUfvTev<22>5MfFLM<14>bhj<15>FLM03g<22>`bz<22>\ 25h03g0Wz<14>00W<15>0WzFLM<14>bhj<15>FLMJKQLLS } gp-gel-05 { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, May 01, 1998 ; Kathy Roth's variation of Mark Christenson's ; gravijul formula reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=gravellipse function=exp/asin/asin passes=t center-mag=0.569579/-8.88178e-015/0.7232194/0.2028/90 params=1/0/0/0/2/1 float=y maxiter=1023 outside=atan colors=000aD1<6>W90V80WA1<7>iQIjSKlVNmXPoZR<2>tdY<10>\ D56923500100000000300723<12>vie<12>qUJpTHpSFoQDoQDnPC\ <12>cF2bE1cF3<13>rbVtdYtcX<11>oPCnOAnN8mL6lL6kK6<10>\ YE3XE2WD2UC1UC1<14>I30K50<11>jTLmVNoXPr_RrZQ<13>lL5k\ J3jJ3<12>X90W90V80U80T70<9>H10G00F00D00C00F00H20<13>\ pVK<14>gH4fG2fG2<5>aD1 } gp-gel-06 { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, May 02, 1998 ; Kathy Roth's variation of Mark Christenson's ; gravijul formula reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=gravellipse function=cos/log/log passes=t center-mag=4.71466/-2.22045e-015/0.3633303/1.2568/90 params=1/0/0.6666666999999999/0/1/11 float=y maxiter=1023 outside=atan colors=000P55<5>L55K55K55K55<2>K55UKH<3>UKHVKHVLHWL\ HWMH<2>ZNH_OH`PHaQHbQH<4>iWIjXIlYInZI<3>ucJweJyfJzh\ JziJziJzhJ<2>ucJsbJraJp`InZIlYI<5>cRHbQHaQH<2>ZNHYNH\ XMHWMHWLH<2>UKHUKHUKHUKHUKH6K6<5>6L67L67L67M78M78N7\ <4>BR8CS9CT9DUAEVAFVA<8>NeFNfFNfF<8>FXBFVAEVA<3>BR8A\ Q8AP89O89O7<2>7M77L67L66L6<5>6K6ZUK<3>ZUK_VL_VL`WLaWM\ <5>f_Pg`QhbR<3>mfUogVphXrjYskZtl_vm`xoaypbzrczsdzs\ dzrcypbxoavm`<4>ogVmfUleU<3>g`Qf_Pe_P<2>bXNaXMaWM`WL_V\ L<6>ZUKK55<4>K55L55L55M55N55<4>R55R55T55<5>_55a55b55d55\ e55f55h55j55k55l55l55k55j55h55<8>W55V55U55T55R55R55Q55 } gp-gel-07 { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, May 02, 1998 ; Kathy Roth's variation of Mark Christenson's ; gravijul formula reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=gravellipse function=sin/ident/ident passes=t center-mag=4.71466/-1.33227e-015/1.070735/1.2568/90 params=1/0/0.6666666999999999/0/1.3/11 float=y maxiter=1023 outside=atan invert=0.917438968984866/4.71466163633486/0 colors=000bC0aA0aA0<23>yM_zNazNbzOd<2>zPhzQjzPgzOdzNa\ <12>aA0M00<3>U01W02Y23<12>xKCzLCzNDzOEzQF<2>zMDyKCwJB\ <12>Y23W02U01<3>M006QVMQV6QV6QV<8>qejfaf<17>6QVaIN<10>\ qej<15>S38R16P04N01M00M00N01P03Q05<18>qej<19>R27Q05O03N0\ 1M00aA0bC0<14>wfLxhMyjOzlPznQ<2>ztV<4>zkOyiNwgL<14>cE1 } gp-gel-08 { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, May 02, 1998 ; Kathy Roth's variation of Mark Christenson's ; gravijul formula reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=gravellipse function=asin/sinh/flip passes=t center-mag=6.66134e-016/-1.33227e-015/0.4790338 params=1/-1/0/0/-5/0.25 float=y inside=111 outside=atan colors=000kdT<3>f_PeZOdZO<2>aWM`WL`VL_VKZUK<6>YTJJ44\ <4>J44K44K44L44M44<4>Q44Q44S44<5>Z44`44a44c44d44e44g\ 44i44j44k44k44j44i44g44<8>V44U44T44S44Q44<5>M44L44K44\ K44J44J44<3>J44TJG<3>TJGUJGUKGVKGVLG<2>YMGZNG_OG`PGaPG\ <4>hVHiWHkXHmYH<3>tbIvdIxeIzgIzhIzhIzgI<2>tbIraIq`Io_H\ mYHkXH<5>bQGaPG`PG<2>YMGXMGWLGVLGVKG<2>TJGTJGTJGTJGTJG\ 5J5<5>5K56K56K56L67L67M6<4>AQ7BR8BS8CT9DU9EU9<8>MdEMeE\ MeE<8>EWAEU9DU9<3>AQ79P79O78N78N6<2>6L66K56K55K5<5>5J5Y\ TJ<3>YTJZUKZUK_VK`VL<5>eZOf_PgaQ<3>leTnfUogWqiXrjY<3>\ xoazqbzrczrczqb<2>ul_skZrjYqiX<2>leT } gp-gel-09 { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, May 02, 1998 ; Kathy Roth's variation of Mark Christenson's ; gravijul formula reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=gravellipse function=asinh/sin/flip passes=1 center-mag=4.44089e-015/-3.55271e-015/0.237121/1/19.999 params=1/-1/0.1/0/-3/0.25 float=y maxiter=1023 outside=atan colors=G006m2<23>I22<26>vTTxUUyVVzWWzYYzXXzWW<28>J33I22I22\ <28>3Vx2Wz2Yz2Xz<29>H34I22I22<26>v2Tx2Uy2Vz2Wz2Yz2X<30>\ 222I22<28>3x22z22z22z2<5>5o2 } gp-gel-10 { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, May 02, 1998 ; Kathy Roth's variation of Mark Christenson's ; gravijul formula reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=gravellipse function=asinh/ident/sin passes=1 center-mag=1.1953/-0.250653/18.16189 params=1/-1/0.1/0/-3/0.25 float=y maxiter=1023 outside=atan colors=000<13>000W00<27>xUFzWGyVG<20>W000an<5>0qu0tw0wx0zz0zz\ <28>0fq0ep0ep0ep<46>0Og000<95>000CCCFFF } frm:gravellipse { ;5-1-98 kathy roth ;variation of gravijul by Mark Christenson z = pixel, a=real(p3), b=imag(p3): w = fn1(z) z = fn3(p1/fn2(w*w)) + p2 real(z) * real(z)/ a + imag(z) * imag(z)/b < 1 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) First par Posting Date: 02 May 1998 20:12:50 -0700 > From: Fiddler (GBushta) > To: fractint > Subject: (fractint) First par Posting > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 10:43 PM > > Hi, > I thought I would share a par that was working on. I've been lurking > on this list for a week and know I have a lot to learn about Fractint > before I make fractals as beautiful as the veterans. If you have any > helpful information on how I can make this picture better please say. I > may not understand right off, as I only have had Fractint for less than > 2 weeks. > Greg > AKA: Japan > > ----------------- svale01 { ; Secret Valley Japan ; Calctime 0:01:05.75 at 1024x768 on a Pentium200MMX ; Thanks to Gumbycat for the Fractint Coloring Sites ; gbushta@zapcom.net reset=1960 type=mandel center-mag=-1.47460035097284100/-0.00000115953043036/2922.064/1/-90 params=2.5/0 float=y maxiter=1500000000 inside=0 colors=00023b<10>Ucz<14>XXe<2>eee<9>X\ UKWSHVRFUPDTOBSM8XQ0<4>A80<8>mm0<11\ >0Z0<10>000<30>0000U0<8>0m00U0<5>0f10\ h20j20m30U0<9>0m3<2>0U2<5>8F2AC2AC2\ <18>11B00C00D00D<5>00f00k00r00z<8>00J<58>00` } > > Very nice image. I found this jewel down in the corner... I'm reminded of plants outgrowing their pots. svale01-a { ; Secret Valley (zoom in by JRH) Japan ; Calctime 0:01:05.75 at 1024x768 on a Pentium200MMX ; Thanks to Gumbycat for the Fractint Coloring Sites ; gbushta@zapcom.net reset=1960 type=mandel center-mag=-1.47447128661240700/-0.00008891357300310/81754.54/0.8415/37.\ 499/32.704 params=2.5/0 float=y maxiter=1500000000 inside=0 colors=00023b<10>Ucz<6>V`pFKmW_m<5>X\ Xe<2>eee<7>ZWOYVMXUKWSHVRFUPDTOBSM8X\ Q0<4>A80<3>SR0KRq<2>R`xUczUcyUbwVbvX\ h0<7>0Z0<10>000<30>0000U0<8>0m00U0<5\ >0f10h20j20m30U0<9>0m3<2>0U2<5>8F2AC\ 2AC2<18>11B00C00D00D<5>00f00k00r00z<\ 8>00J<58>00` } Jay Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: (fractint) A formula and five pars Date: 02 May 1998 22:10:01 -0500 (CDT) comment { I spent some time today playing around with my rings rendering method and the equation I used yesterday for the flexball spirals. This formula and pars are the result. Notes on the pars: eqn6m01 - Nice symmetry around a midget. eqn6m02 - Colorful, chaotic, different. eqn6m03 - Parabolic(?) pattern. eqn6m04 - Island of order in a sea of chaos eqn6m05 - Abstract pattern Paul Carlson } frm:Eqn6_R4 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 ; real(p1) = size factor ; imag(p1) = number of iterations to skip ; real(p2) = number of color ranges ; imag(p2) = number of colors in a range ; z = w = iter = range_num = bailout = 0 c = pixel size = real(p1) skip_iters = imag(p1) num_ranges = real(p2) colors_in_range = imag(p2) index_factor = (colors_in_range - 1) / size : w = c * ((w - 1)^2) / ((w + 1)^2) ; IF (iter > skip_iters) dist = abs(|w - k| - 0.1) IF (dist < size) bailout = 1 ENDIF ENDIF IF (bailout) z = index_factor * dist + range_num * colors_in_range + 1 ENDIF range_num = range_num + 1 IF (range_num == num_ranges) range_num = 0 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter bailout == 0 && |w| < 1.0e20 } eqn6m01 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=eqn6r4.frm formulaname=eqn6_r4 passes=t center-mag=-2.15511064346413800/+0.00000000000000058/3450.60\ 8/1/-90 params=0.08/0/2/125 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ invert=1/0/0 colors=000zqa<123>WRFz88<123>O00000<3>000 } eqn6m02 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=eqn6r4.frm formulaname=eqn6_r4 passes=t center-mag=-0.20853961584102130/+0.95807796299146630/1236.69\ 6/1/52.499 params=0.08/20/8/30 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ invert=1/0/0 colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG0\ 0zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<13>000 } eqn6m03 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=eqn6r4.frm formulaname=eqn6_r4 passes=1 center-mag=+0.40677900000000000/+0.00000000000000010/49.5314\ 7/1/-90 params=0.12/10/2/125 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ invert=1/0/0 colors=000zzz<123>OOOzVz<123>C0C000<3>000 } eqn6m04 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=eqn6r4.frm formulaname=eqn6_r4 passes=t center-mag=+0.39850164017763030/+0.07933871102330729/299.771\ 8/1/169 params=0.098/20/2/125 float=y maxiter=500 inside=253 outside=summ invert=1/0/0 colors=000zz0<123>aG0zzz<123>VVV000<3>000 } eqn6m05 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=eqn6r4.frm formulaname=eqn6_r4 passes=1 center-mag=-4.5394/9.99201e-016/1.961852/1/-90 params=0.09/11/8/30 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ invert=1/0/0 colors=000z0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00zR<28>0C4\ 0zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00OfOz<28>I0K000<13>000 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) Dual-formatted mime Date: 02 May 1998 23:25:21 -0400 Kragen wrote: > Impressive! > > I think you mean '20 LANned Linux servers running X clients'. No, there are 20 X servers, for connecting and doing work. Generally users pick the one with the lowest load and log on with an X client. > Presumably they were not all running a single instance of XFmail, > though, since normally such programs run on only one machine at a > time. I'm really rather puzzled about what might have caused this > fault to propagate... what version of Linux was it? Haven't a clue, the university computer science department runs it, not I. Anyways, XFMail bombed, it must have done something really BAD to the X server I had logged onto, because apparently it took the whole thing down... > > hung, bombing the X client and Windows NT (on which the X client was running). > > 'X client' is something like XFmail, xterm, what have you, that uses > the facilities provided by the 'X server' -- namely, access to > keystrokes and screen graphics. So the server runs on your desktop, > and the client runs in the data center. Weird. I was referring here to the client program used to log on the X server machine and run programs remotely on it, which presents the GUI locally and accepts your input... seems there's some mixup of terminology because there are 2 kinds of client... This was XWin32, the other client the XFMail program, and the X server and XFMail running on one of 20 linked X machines... > > Is [TkRat] written with that Tcl/Tk thing I keep hearing about? > Yep. BTW, you can get Tcl/Tk (with great docs and lots of examples) > for Win32 and the Mac; I think www.scriptics.com or sunscript.sun.com > might be good places to start. It's *great*. What is it, exactly? -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://www3.sympatico.ca/bob.beland/indexn2f.html _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) April Par Collection Date: 02 May 1998 21:03:34 -0700 Les... Thanks once more for this great service. I decided to dump my monthly pars and stick to yours since they are more complete. Angela Les St Clair wrote: > > Hi all, > > The Fractint List par collection for April is now available for download at: > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/ > > Don't forget to update your .frm collection while you're there! > > BTW, a few pars posted on the 30th Apr. actually showed up on my server on 1st > May, these will, of course, appear in next month's collection. > > Enjoy! > > - Les Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Felix Subject: Re: (fractint) ICQ Number list - Rev.2 Date: 02 May 1998 22:53:53 -0500 Christian Strik wrote: > A number of members have posted their ICQ numbers / nicknames on this list > in the last couple of days. I've put them on this list for clarity reasons. ...... Thanks so much for this. For those of you who are using ICQ, please check the Fractint ICQ intrest group I set up. Intrest groups are a way of "gathering" ICQ users with a common intrest so that others may find them. the URL is - http://groups.icq.com/group.asp?no=28214 - and the page, while functional, is incomplete thanks to some javascript woes I'm working through. It'll be nice and pretty as soon as I get through it all. Please join if yr so motivated, and enable others who are interested to find you and Fractint. (we all gotta start somewhere...) --Andrew -- | Andrew Duhan | Cereal is g00d | | aduhan@ttu.edu | ICQ 10363110 | | http://chimera.acs.ttu.edu/~aduhan/ | Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: (fractint) Fractal Chatting Date: 02 May 1998 21:10:19 -0700 You are invited to try IRC chatting tomorrow. Time: 10AM pacific daylight time (1PM EDT) Place: Undernet (access via MIRC, PIRCH or other irc client) Channel: #fractals If you don't have an irc client, you can download MIRC at http://www.mirc.co.uk/ It is very very very easy to install and use and I'd be glad to help if you have questions. Email me direct at wizzle@beachnet.com Angela Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Wilson" Subject: Re: (fractint) Two equation formula (long) Date: 02 May 1998 22:58:19 -0700 Paul Carlson wrote; >This formula applies the same rendering method to both the >classic Mandelbrot set equation (Msets and a Julia set) and >the Pokorny equation (Julia sets only). In all the pars >the size factor, imag(p1), is set large enough that the rings >are filled in, giving the image elements the appearance of >dimpled balls or spheroids. Reducing this factor to where the >balls become rings gives, in effect, a whole new rendering >method. It appears, to this fractal newbie, that a minimalist color rendering is very fashionable at this point in time. The technique produces gorgeous metallic-looking objects, that impress the heck out of me, but they lack warmth...beautiful baubles of gold, copper, bronze, silver and pewter. "Mardi_gras_dragon" seems to me to to avoid this coldness by throwing in splashes of scarlet. It's one I'll keep, especially as it kept my P-166 busy for about an hour! Thanks Paul: but "dragon"? When I saw all those pseudopods, I was reminded irresistably of the Beatles song..."Octopussies Garden". :-) John Wilson. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SKarl52884 Subject: (fractint)GeneralQ?VideoMode Date: 03 May 1998 04:02:36 EDT Greetings: I've been enjoying the pars that I've seen. Great work! Q: Is it possible to tell fractint 'not' to ask for a video mode selection { after initially makeing one} when looking at a series of .gifs? {It seems once would be enough if they were all intended to be seen in in the same mode.} I'm using SF6. thanks ~~~^~~~^~~~^ Steve Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HGtotheG Subject: (fractint) req. info: programmers Date: 03 May 1998 04:58:02 EDT Help! I am looking for a specific modification to the 3D portion of Fractint for an experiment. Anyone out there think they might like to help me or know of anyone, or anyplace, I might contact for help?? Walt / Hitchhikers Guide to the Galixy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Les St Clair" Subject: Re: (fractint) April Par Collection Date: 03 May 1998 09:02:44 +0100 Hi Angela, >I decided to dump my monthly pars and >stick to yours since they are more complete. Thanks for the feedback. As long as people find this useful I'll continue to post the collections. I haven't compared my collection with everything in the official monthly archive, so If anyone notices any omissions I'll be glad to attach an addendum to next month's file. cheers, Les Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Les St Clair" Subject: Re: (fractint)GeneralQ?VideoMode Date: 03 May 1998 10:36:18 +0100 Hi Steve, >Q: Is it possible to tell fractint 'not' to ask for a video mode selection { >after initially makeing one} when looking at a series of .gifs? Sure, just add the following line to your sstools.ini file: askvideo=no All kinds of other useful info can be found in the Fractint on-line help files: When running Fractint press F1 twice (to get to the Main Help Index) Then select "Startup Parameters, Parameter Files" Go to the option "Summary of all Parameters" Here you will find 12 pages of useful information detailing all of the handy parameters for configuring Fractint exactly the way you want it! Page 8 has all the stuff related specifically to Video parameters. cheers, Les Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: (fractint) ICQ Number list - Rev.3 Date: 03 May 1998 14:29:08 +0100 A number of members have posted their ICQ numbers / nicknames on this list in the last couple of days. I've put them on this list for clarity reasons. If you're not a member of ICQ yet, and are interested in becoming one, visit http://www.mirabilis.com, where you can download the software. After having installed the software, follow the instructions in the program to be assigned an ICQ number. Felix aka Xilef has opened the ICQ Fractint Interest Group. This group can be contacted at http://groups.icq.com/group.asp?no=28214 This list was last updated Sunday May 3rd, 14:19 GMT+1 (CET). Added Luis Ricardo Costa & Thaddaeus Parker. Welcome. Michael Bell - #11379737 - 'Mike' on ICQ Fractint Group Luis Ricardo Costa - #4111347 - 'Spielberg' on ICQ Fractint Group Paul Derbyshire - #10423848 - 'Kydaimon' on ICQ Fractint Group Andrew Duhan / Felix - #10363110 - 'Xilef' on ICQ Fractint Group (Master) Alex Dukay - #8515817 Jon Fetting - #4024153 David Forbus - #2512475 Blake Hyde - #5411598 Ralph Jones - #11903613 Paul Lee - #8804332 Bob Margolis - #11924047 Irénée Mercier - #7217822 Nhan Nguyen - #341018 Thaddaeus Parker - #3304633 - 'FractalMan' on ICQ Fractint Group Christian Strik - #11760568 - 'Meltdown' on ICQ Fractint Group Angela Wilczynski (Wizzle) - #503044 / #1205072 I selected names and numbers by looking at mail subjects. I'm not suggesting this list is complete... Any members on ICQ, who haven't mailed their #s yet, or haven't been listed here (my fault then), please mail. You can also mail if you're a new member of the ICQ Fractint Group (see above). This saves me some time finding out names and numbers. :-) Thanx in advance, Christian Strik Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SKarl52884 Subject: Re: (fractint) April Par Collection Date: 03 May 1998 08:55:44 EDT In a message dated 98-05-03 05:29:11 EDT, you write: << >I decided to dump my monthly pars and >stick to yours since they are more complete. >> Same... what Angela said!...plus...frms too! Great page Les. Thank you. And...thanks for the tip on sstools.ini. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Steve Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Bell Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal Chatting Date: 03 May 1998 14:24:49 +0100 Angela Wilczynski wrote: > > You are invited to try IRC chatting tomorrow. > > Time: 10AM pacific daylight time (1PM EDT) > Place: Undernet (access via MIRC, PIRCH or other irc client) > Channel: #fractals > Hi - could someone tell me what time that is BST (British Summer Time)? Hope to see you there. Michael. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal Chatting Date: 03 May 1998 08:55:10 -0500 Michael Bell wrote: > > Angela Wilczynski wrote: > > > > You are invited to try IRC chatting tomorrow. > > > > Time: 10AM pacific daylight time (1PM EDT) > > Place: Undernet (access via MIRC, PIRCH or other irc client) > > Channel: #fractals > > > > Hi - could someone tell me what time that is BST (British Summer Time)? > 1 p.m. EDT is 6 p.m. BST in London (and 7 p.m. in Paris). Bob Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: Re: (fractint) Two equation formula (long) Date: 03 May 1998 09:24:11 -0500 (CDT) John... >It appears, to this fractal newbie, that a minimalist color rendering >is very fashionable at this point in time. The technique produces >gorgeous metallic-looking objects, that impress the heck out of me, >but they lack warmth The methods I use emphasize form over color. All the fractal elements have well-defined edges. I'm sure it's not for everybody. > "Mardi_gras_dragon" seems to me to to >avoid this coldness by throwing in splashes of scarlet. It's one I'll >keep, especially as it kept my P-166 busy for about an hour! At what resolution? Using my 60 Mhz Pentium it took 4 minutes to generate a 1024x768 image. >Thanks Paul: but "dragon"? When I saw all those pseudopods, >I was reminded irresistably of the Beatles song..."Octopussies >Garden". Hmmmm... I think we're talking about two different images. Mardi_gras_dragon was (I hope!) a classic period-8 dragon that looked decorated with fruit of 8 colors. Paul Carlson Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marie Drozdis" Subject: RE: (fractint) lava_tube par Date: 03 May 1998 07:46:28 -0400 I was playing with the same frm recently. Here's the outcome: Elusive_butterfly { ; Frm:Cosh_Rings_Mset (c) Paul Carlson, 1998 ; droz60.map ; reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=Cosh_Rings_Mset passes=t center-mag=-1.57654/-0.0055628/0.501461/-1.3129/270 params=1/2/6/4 float=y maxiter=2500 inside=zmag outside=summ finattract=y colors=07C07J<9>012000100<51>x10z20z50<14>xz0<13>wxl<14>000D8t00060t000D\ 1m000K2f000R2_000Z3T000e4L000l5E000s57000z60000u60000p50000k50000f40000a\ 40000X30000<15>000BuB0009qH0006nN0003kT0000gZ0000Ye0000Nk0000Eq00003x000\ 60t000E0l000M0d000U0X000b0O000j0G000r08000z00000z60000zE0HHHzM0GGGzU0FFF\ za0EEEzi0DDDzq0CCC<15>444BuB3339qH2226nN1113kT0000gZ000Kcc0008HH0006CC00\ 00Hi<14>08L } > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of davides > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 1998 9:03 PM > To: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (fractint) lava_tube par > The following par is a modification of a fractal/par I came up with a while ago. It is based on one of Paul Carlson's frms' as is indicated: =================================================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal Chatting Date: 03 May 1998 08:08:26 -0700 Michael... I think that is 6pm in London, assuming you folks set your clocks forward for summer time like we do for daylight savings time. Angela Michael Bell wrote: > > Angela Wilczynski wrote: > > > > You are invited to try IRC chatting tomorrow. > > > > Time: 10AM pacific daylight time (1PM EDT) > > Place: Undernet (access via MIRC, PIRCH or other irc client) > > Channel: #fractals > > > > Hi - could someone tell me what time that is BST (British Summer Time)? > > Hope to see you there. > > Michael. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Bill's SpiderM Goblin par Date: 03 May 1998 08:13:10 -0700 > This result of exploring the SpiderM (J.P.Louvet) formula is the first time > anyone has called one of my fractals 'icky'. I used it as wallpaper for a > few days and noticed that most folks backed away from the screen whan they > saw it. The color map is gallet09.map. > > Bill D. > > goblin [snip] > frm:spiderM {; by Jean-Pierre Louvet z=pixel,f=pixel,g=pixel: f=f/p1+z, z=fn1(z^(p2+g))+fn2(f), |z| <= 4 } And there is another nearby - looks more like a bird face. Jay goblin-2 { ; inspired by Bill Decker wdecker@csc.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=apr98.par formulaname=spiderm function=cosxx/recip center-mag=-1.28541/-0.0135284/3.311258/1/-90 params=1.8/0/2/0 float=y potential=255/500/0 colors=wvy<10>npqmopmopmop<7>gkjfjieihdhgcgf<4>ZdbZdbYcaYcaXb`<2>VaZU`YU\ `YU`Y<11>OVSOVSOVSOVSOVS<69>000wwc<21>j`DiZBiZB<13>aM2`L1`L1`K1<9>WF3WE3\ WD3WC3VB4<6>S75R66R66R66<24>L11K11K11J11J11<32>000 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Two equation formula (long) Date: 03 May 1998 08:26:01 -0700 John... I'm definetly a color medium to minimalist, but I've been trying out some of the new color maps folks on this list submitted and you might find something there to suit. Check in the mid-tones section for maps from skydye and droz.....I was enchanted with some lovely maps which used very warm colors. And I don't see anything wrong with re-coloring someone's par .......gives a you better idea of why the colors chosen were chosen. Course you can't claim the par as your very own. One hint....Paul Carlson, Sylvie Gallet and Kerry Mitchell often use their colors in a very precise way.....to match the parameters of their formulas. Study those maps!!! It took me a while to figure out why Paul did what he does. At first I just modified his maps with my favorite colors. Now I'm more bold and will even change the "structure" of the colors......going, say from 2 colors....which Paul so often uses......to 4. The new color maps are available at: http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/hints/graphic_hints.htm I hope to be converting the existing pars there to a newer format by this evening (thanks to some lessons from Tim), so hold off a day on downloading the par versions. BTW......Marie... Thanks so much for the great color maps. I was experimentint with the ones you submitted this morning with wonderful results. Angela Paul and/or Joyce Carlson wrote: > > John... > > >It appears, to this fractal newbie, that a minimalist color rendering > >is very fashionable at this point in time. The technique produces > >gorgeous metallic-looking objects, that impress the heck out of me, > >but they lack warmth > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Kosokar Subject: (fractint) What do I do? Date: 03 May 1998 10:11:15 -0500 Can someone answer me via private Email? What do I do with the FRM part of the posts? Can I leave them in the PAR when I clip and save it, and will they be found there? I have tried clipping just the FRM part and saving it with a .FRM extension, but it doesn't seen to be working. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!! TIA, Dave Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: Re: (fractint) fractals n' music Date: 03 May 1998 10:53:59 -0500 Robert Shanks wrote: > COOL!!! now there's an idea! the next time you post a par - post what > music might be good with it. Now I know everybody has different taste, but > now let's not be afraid of that! I'm a musician so this clicks with me, > but it would be really interesting to see where the rest of the fractal > community is coming from. > > Cheers, Robert OK, you asked for it. Here's a par best viewed to John Cage's 4'33". minimalist { reset=1960 type=mandel passes=t center-mag=-0.29770327756838355/+0.28711986898800751/111.1985 params=0/0 float=y inside=0 colors=@royal.map } Enjoy! Justin K. -- I sense a great disturbance in the Source. Justin A. Kolodziej I am 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu Marquette University is http://www.mu.edu Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Hine" Subject: Re: (fractint) fractals n' music Date: 03 May 1998 12:25:54 -0400 Justin K. said: >OK, you asked for it. Here's a par best viewed to John Cage's 4'33". I tried it, and it didn't seem right, but then I noticed that the monitor wasn't turned on. So I turned it on, and that was better, but something still wasn't right... then I noticed that my tape deck was unplugged. After a few more minutes of rearranging wires, dimming the room lights, etc., I was ready, and gave it another whirl. Perfect! (I think the power went out briefly during the performance, but I can't be sure.) Very Zen - Thanks Justin! ^2 Jason Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: (fractint) tchebych.frm Date: 03 May 1998 13:01:54 -0400 I am interested in a set of formulas named after the Russian mathematician Tchebychev, though why that choice of a name, I do not know. There is a formula file named tchebych.frm in the fracxtr6.zip file available from Spanky. In the comment of this file these formulas are identified as being derived from a book by Roger Stevens (Advanced Fractal Programming in C). The file was originally posted on Feb. 10, 1992 by Rob den Braasem. However, at a later time someone modified some of these formulas, and, unfortunately, reissued these modifications with the same formula names in a new file called newtcheb.frm. All of these latter formulas are included in the Orgform compilation under _j_dup.frm and _m_dup.frm respectively. The source identified therein is newtcheb.frm. I have not been able to find the latter anywhere. If someone has this formula file (newtcheb.frm) in its original form, hopefully including comments, not reconstructed from Orgform, I would greatly appreciate it if that person could email it to me privately. Gedeon Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) April Par Collection Date: 03 May 1998 13:01:17 -0400 At 09:02 AM 5/3/1998 +0100, you wrote: (snipped) >As long as people find this useful I'll continue to post the collections. Verrrrry useful! But how am I supposed to explain an uncluttered mailbox and desktop after d/l and saving to a floppy? davides@pipeline.com Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: RE: (fractint) lava_tube par Date: 03 May 1998 13:36:46 -0400 At 07:46 AM 5/3/1998 -0400, you wrote: Just out of curiosity I would be interested in your opinion of the following changes to "Elusive...": [Z]: RPI= .675 IPI= 2 RP2= 9 IP2= 4 [X]: Maxiter=5000 [Y]: finattract=1 slope=254 bailout=2000 centerx=4 I like you elusive. PC's frms are something else to work with, aren't they? I was playing with the same frm recently. Here's the outcome: > > >Elusive_butterfly { ; Frm:Cosh_Rings_Mset (c) Paul Carlson, 1998 > ; droz60.map > ; > reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm > formulaname=Cosh_Rings_Mset passes=t > center-mag=-1.57654/-0.0055628/0.501461/-1.3129/270 params=1/2/6/4 > float=y maxiter=2500 inside=zmag outside=summ finattract=y davides@pipeline.com Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Re: tchebych.frm Date: 03 May 1998 13:22:15 -0500 Gedeon Peteri wrote: > > I am interested in a set of formulas named after the Russian > mathematician Tchebychev, though why that choice of a name, I do not > know. There is a formula file named tchebych.frm in the fracxtr6.zip > file available from Spanky. In the comment of this file these formulas > are identified as being derived from a book by Roger Stevens (Advanced > Fractal Programming in C). The file was originally posted on Feb. 10, > 1992 by Rob den Braasem. Hi Team Fractals: I privately sent Gedeon this afternoon the original file that was posted to the USENET on Feb. 10, 1992. Therefore, the search is over and you may return to normal duties. Bob Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) What do I do? Date: 03 May 1998 11:20:15 -0700 David wrote: >Can someone answer me via private Email? What do I do with the FRM part >of the posts? Can I leave them in the PAR when I clip and save it, and >will they be found there? I have tried clipping just the FRM part and >saving it with a .FRM extension, but it doesn't seen to be working. Any >help would be greatly appreciated!!! Hi, David! I think this is an on topic posting that might interest some other newbies. So answering it on the list is ok. You can keep the formula part and the .par part together in one par file if you are using Fractint v 19.6 and if you leave the: frm: at the beginning of the formula part of the two. Using one of Jim's FOTD files, for example: ========================== Tsatratpa_MaiKai { ; 13min at 100mhz, 640x480 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 passes=t center-mag=+0.25553692990429950/-0.0000000000001/1463198 params=1/100/0.1/-2 float=y maxiter=1200 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=92 symmetry=xaxis periodicity=10 colors=00075D<3>B98CAD<6>KBk<18>mTIoUGoRC<9>ttYtw_sz`<8\ >tsatratpa<9>t_btYbtZb<9>ZkcXlcVlc<11>6oc<17>hGXqAV<6>B\ _f1`i<8>XpV<17>PK7<21>tc_<17>kfimgh<13>MaiKaiGcj<20>lIT\ iHXeGad9p`AsXBw<10>bIfbIg<9>bITbIRdJNbIQ } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth c=pixel, a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j: z=(a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f))+c, |z| <= 100 } =============================== can be cut as one piece of information and pasted into a .par file. Yes, the formula will be "found." Or, again using Jim's FOTD: =============================== Tsatratpa_MaiKai { ; 13min at 100mhz, 640x480 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 passes=t center-mag=+0.25553692990429950/-0.0000000000001/1463198 params=1/100/0.1/-2 float=y maxiter=1200 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=92 symmetry=xaxis periodicity=10 colors=00075D<3>B98CAD<6>KBk<18>mTIoUGoRC<9>ttYtw_sz`<8\ >tsatratpa<9>t_btYbtZb<9>ZkcXlcVlc<11>6oc<17>hGXqAV<6>B\ _f1`i<8>XpV<17>PK7<21>tc_<17>kfimgh<13>MaiKaiGcj<20>lIT\ iHXeGad9p`AsXBw<10>bIfbIg<9>bITbIRdJNbIQ } =============================== can be cut and pasted by itself into a .par file and then: ================================ MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth c=pixel, a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j: z=(a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f))+c, |z| <= 100 } =============================== can be cut and pasted by itself into a separate .frm file. In this case, the formula MandelbrotMix4 should either be pasted into a .frm file named critical.frm, or, if you paste it into a .frm file named something else, then the field "formulafile=critical.frm" should be changed to the name of the .frm file you are using. For example, you might use "formulafile=JimMuth.frm" Make sense? If not, let us know and we'll try again! Linda Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Earl Simpson" Subject: (fractint) Par from a Paul Carlson formula Date: 03 May 1998 14:24:09 -0500 The best of my efforts of the past week from a great Paul Carlson's formula. Enjoy. es000016 { ; Earl Simpson 5/3/98 ; Modified Paul Carlson Par ; Paul Carlson Formula reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=carlson3.frm formulaname=newt_fang_mset function=sinh/sqr passes=1 corners=3.6482253/3.62339077/-0.0161237448/0.0161807149/3.62339077/0.016\ 1807149 params=1/0/0.3/0.3/4/63 float=y maxiter=252 inside=253 outside=summ colors=850479<16>SpwUszTqw<12>8FI7CE59B467234000<5>000000211<6>H8AKACLBD\ <32>xxkzzmyyl<25>KC2IA0G90D80B60630320000<2>223224224325326<22>JGTKHUKHT\ <6>GEMFDLECKDBICAH<3>97D97C86B76A759<7>111000000000<3>000<6>U05<21>xfazh\ cygb<22>U05<5>000<2>000000123256 } Frm:Newt_Fang_Mset {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 ; real(p1) = controls element size try 0.5 to 16 ; imag(p1) not used ; p2 = factor, try (1,0) or (0.3,0.3) ; real(p3) = number of color ranges ; imag(p3) = number of colors in a range ; width = real(p1) a = fn1(pixel) am = a - 1 w = sqrt(-am / 6) z = iter = range_num = bailout = 0 num_ranges = real(p3) colors_in_range = imag(p3) index_factor = (colors_in_range - 1) / width prev_mod2 = |w| : k = w * w, q = w * am w = w - (k * k + k * am - a) / (4 * w * k + q + q) angle = atan(imag(w) / real(w)) v = p2 * (fn1(angle)^2 + fn2(angle)^2) dist = abs(|w| - |v|) IF (dist < width && iter > 0) bailout = 1 z = index_factor * dist + range_num * colors_in_range + 1 ELSEIF (abs(|w| - prev_mod2) < 0.000001) bailout = 1 z = 252 ENDIF prev_mod2 = |w| range_num = range_num + 1 IF (range_num == num_ranges) range_num = 0 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter bailout == 0 && |w| < 10000000 } Earl Simpson Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: RE: (fractint) lava_tube par Date: 03 May 1998 14:27:05 -0500 (CDT) Marie, >I was playing with the same frm recently. Here's the outcome: > > >Elusive_butterfly { ; Frm:Cosh_Rings_Mset (c) Paul Carlson, 1998 > ; droz60.map [snip] Now, that's different! Great image! Paul Carlson Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: RE: (fractint) lava_tube par Date: 03 May 1998 15:53:44 -0400 At 01:36 PM 5/3/1998 -0400, you wrote: >Just out of curiosity ... I could swear I had sent the referenced msg direct... "I like you elusive." I presume it is understood "like" was supposed to be past tense (liked), and "you" above was intended to read: "your" PC's frms are something else to work with, aren't they? davides@pipeline.com Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Martin <76440.1143@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) formula syntax Date: 03 May 1998 16:46:27 -0400 Formula writers: I've just noticed that some formulas by Paul Carlson contain lines such as the following: IF ((d = |w + (0,-.5)|) < size) Putting assignments inside of other expressions is a common programming technique in C. This type of expression produces no warnings in fractint v 19.6, and the formula therefore runs and draws images without incident. There is a problem, however. The fractint parser is not designed to handle imbedded assignments, and the actual calculations being made may be quite different than what the formula writer intends. Version 20.0 will report an error for formulas with lines like this. All assignments will need to be at the beginning of a formula statement, i.e. in the form var1=var=2=...=expression. I'll work with Paul to rewrite the formulas which have these expressions now, so they'll work by the time 20.0 comes out. The two formulas where I've noticed this are Series_Balls_Mset and MyEqn_Julia. George Martin Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: (fractint) Yet another par Date: 03 May 1998 14:25:23 -0700 I've gotten behind what with all the great pars and formulas posted lately. Thank you Paul and Kathy!!!! I got a chance to explore your formulas just a bit today and it's been great. I certainly had a wonderful time chatting on irc today and learned a bit more about taming the windows95 beast............learned how to chat and fractal at the same time so I was able to see earl's fantastic par "live and in person." Is that a stunner or what?? Help in real time is the best, IMHO......you know....go here....do this....etc. I got an idea for a new posting too.....and would like some feedback. I've done "sets" of colormaps which are useful for adding some variety when you are exploring a particular image. I plan to post one set based on a map Linda developed and another set tailored for Paul's formulas. Does the group prefer to have a set of zipped .map files or should I bundle the maps into a par? I have Tim's new goodies so the pars will have excellent compression color-wise. And here is a par from one of Paul's formulas......so you can get a preview of the map idea.....as ever...I prefer just a bit of black to bring out a spiral. wiz_cream { ; 5/3/98 wizzle from a P. Carlson formula reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=f:may98.frm formulaname=flexballs_r4 center-mag=-2.81666415879057800/+1.83796604599094500/135621.1/1/-37.498 params=0.1/0/0.0185/0 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ invert=1/0/0 colors=000fNL<14>K4A000<13>000zzc<28>K5AzKU<28>K00wUK<28>K0AGGz<28>K0KfO\ z<28>K0FKwc<28>AKKzKU<28>O00zcU<12>gOM } Angela Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) formula syntax Date: 03 May 1998 14:27:25 -0700 George.... I for one would be VERY upset if Paul's formulas didn't work with the new release......thank you so much for noticing. Angela George Martin wrote: > > Formula writers: > > I've just noticed that some formulas by Paul Carlson contain lines such as > the following: > > IF ((d = |w + (0,-.5)|) < size) > > > I'll work with Paul to rewrite the formulas which have these expressions > now, so they'll work by the time 20.0 comes out. The two formulas where > I've noticed this are Series_Balls_Mset and MyEqn_Julia. > > George Martin > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Martin <76440.1143@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) What do I do? Date: 03 May 1998 17:15:55 -0400 > Can someone answer me via private Email? What do I do with the FRM part of the posts? Can I leave them in the PAR when I clip and save it, and will they be found there? < This is a matter of general interest. Formulas may be included in .par files if they are preceded with the identifier prefix "frm:". The formula will be found *only* in connection with drawing an image in the .par file. It will not appear on any menu screen and will not be found when other .par files are run. It is better to copy the formula to a .frm file. The prefix frm:, if present, must be removed. The naming of the .frm file is not particularly important; fractint is very good at searching for and finding formulas, so long as the .frm files are together in the same directory. George Martin Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marie Drozdis" Subject: RE: (fractint) lava_tube par Date: 03 May 1998 18:01:23 -0400 Believe it or not, that sailed right on over my head. I've had lots of time to play today, so have been trying frms like mad. Now, time to give your tweaks to my butterfly fractal a try. :) I wholeheartedly agree about the PC frms. Some folks are in a class by themselves. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of davides ... > PC's frms are something else to work with, aren't they? > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Wilson" Subject: Re: (fractint) Two equation formula (long) Date: 03 May 1998 15:21:08 -0700 -----Original Message----- >Hmmmm... I think we're talking about two different images. >Mardi_gras_dragon was (I hope!) a classic period-8 dragon that >looked decorated with fruit of 8 colors. > >Paul Carlson You're right, mea culpa! I was refering to your "3D_Cascade" .. In some sort of self-defense over my error, I have to point out that your announcement message listed the Pars in the order: 1, 2, 6, 4, 7, 9, 13, 11, 3, 12, 5, 8, 10 and 14. However, your par *data* was ordered; 8, 9, 7, 1, 3, 12, 6, 2, 10, 13, 5, 15, 4 and 14. Of course, I numbered my stored GIF's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14 Now try getting the correct *names* associated with the GIF's. It's quite difficult, even with the aid of a couple of stiff Martinis. :-) John Wilson Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: (fractint) file limit Date: 03 May 1998 17:35:01 -0600 Due to popular request, the fractint list file size limit is back to 40000 where it was originally. Quite a few people preferred the higher limit, and while at least one person thought the lower limit was good, no one wrote me that receiving a 40K file inconvenienced them. I do suggest using good judgement in uploading larger files. Damien Jones has offerred his FTP site at ftp.fractalus.com as a location to upload larger PAR and FRM files. Damien, could you let us know upload instructions? The idea is instead of uploading a large file to the list, upload it instead to Damien's site. Les St. Clair is maintaining a collection of PAR files uploaded here at his Web site, http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/ Les, let us know whether or not you would accept email submission s for your site. The idea is to lower list traffic by uploading files to one of those sites, and then referring to them here rather than uploading them. However, I don't object to PAR and FRM files being uploaded to the fractint list within the 40000 byte limit if folks prefer that. Tim Wegner Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com Date: 03 May 1998 16:39:03 -0600 When your email address doesn't work, all your fractint list messages bounce to me. I generally unsubscribe addresses that aren't working after a day or so, especially when the bounced messages say "permanent fatal error". Sender: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: fractint Sometimes for one reason or another people aren't able to get their mail, and their mailbox gets full. In this case also, mail bounces to me. When this happens, I will also unsubscribe the address. If this happens to you, and you want to get back on the list, just resubscribe, or ask me to resubscribe your address. Remember that being unsubscribed from the list is just normal list maintenance, not personal rejection. :-) When the problems your address are experiencing are cleared up, I'm happy to have you back. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: Re: (fractint) formula syntax Date: 03 May 1998 18:19:48 -0500 (CDT) >I for one would be VERY upset if Paul's formulas didn't work with the new >release......thank you so much for noticing. Me too! :) Paul Carlson Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: Re: (fractint) Two equation formula (long) Date: 03 May 1998 18:24:03 -0500 (CDT) John, >Now try getting the correct *names* associated with the GIF's. It's quite >difficult, even with the aid of a couple of stiff Martinis. :-) You're right - I'll have to think of a better way. Paul Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: (fractint) Chatting, and a formula Date: 03 May 1998 18:27:05 -0500 (CDT) This morning there were 5 or 6 of us chatting on the #fractals channel. All of us had MIRC, Fractint, and a web browser running. We were trading pars which were run and commented on while we were chatting. Also, URLs were swapped, web pages viewed and advice given on improving web pages. Modifications to pages were made and the results viewed and commented on while we were chatting. Great fun! Join us next time (probably to be announced by Wizzle)! Here's a formula and par that I sent to the other chatters (chattees?, whatever): comment { This formula applies my flexball rendering method to a Halley's method solution of w^4 - c*w - c^4 = 0. Paul Carlson } frm:FB_Halley_M42 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 ; Always use float=y, outside=summ ; p1 = relaxation factor ; p2 = radius of center of ring (0.01 to 10) ; p3 = one half thickness of ring (0.01 to p2) c = pixel, c4 = c*c*c*c w = z = iter = bailout = 0 d0 = p2 + p3 d1 = 0.382683432365 * p2 d2 = 0.923879532511 * p2 dsqd = d0 * d0 + p2 * p2 - (d0 + d0) * d2 : w2 = w * w, fnc = w2 * w2 - c*w - c4, der = 4 * w * w2 - c k = p1 * fnc / (der - 12 * w2 * fnc / (der + der)) w = w - k ; IF ((abs(cabs(w) - p2) < p3) && iter > 0) bailout = 1 wr = real(w), wi = imag(w) awr = abs(wr), awi = abs(wi) IF (awr >= awi) dist = (awr - d2) * (awr - d2) + (awi - d1) * (awi - d1) adjust = 1 ELSE dist = (awr - d1) * (awr - d1) + (awi - d2) * (awi - d2) adjust = 0 ENDIF IF (wr >= 0 && wi >= 0) range_num = 1 - adjust ELSEIF (wr < 0 && wi >= 0) range_num = 2 + adjust ELSEIF (wr < 0 && wi < 0) range_num = 5 - adjust ELSE range_num = 6 + adjust ENDIF ratio = sqrt(dist / dsqd) z = 29 * ratio + range_num * 30 + 1 ELSEIF (|k| < 0.000001) bailout = 1 z = 252 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter bailout == 0 } fbhalm21 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fbhalm42.frm formulaname=fb_halley_m42 passes=1 center-mag=-21.93283500254530000/+9.08487764353243100/61280.2\ 1/1/112.498 params=1/0/20/0/2/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00\ zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<10>000zzz000000 } fbhalm22 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fbhalm42.par formulaname=fb_halley_m42 passes=1 center-mag=-21.93283501457555000/+9.08487764851502900/467274.\ 2/1/112.497 params=1/0/20/0/2/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00\ zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<10>000zzz000000 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: Re: (fractint) Yet another par Date: 03 May 1998 18:39:16 -0500 (CDT) >I certainly had a wonderful time chatting on irc today and learned >a bit more about taming the windows95 beast. Everybody there learned something! Nothing beats being able to ask questions and having them answered immediately. >Does the group prefer to have a set of zipped .map files or should >I bundle the maps into a par? I'd prefer a par. >And here is a par from one of Paul's formulas... Beautiful image, Wiz - great colors! Paul Carlson Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: (fractint) Re: tchebych frm Date: 03 May 1998 20:05:50 -0400 Thanks to George Martin and Bob Margolis I now got what I needed. Gedeon Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: (fractint) pars 'n' such Date: 03 May 1998 20:58:50 -0700 comment { Thanks and congratulations to Charles Crocker, who correctly identified my "core drag" problem as a side effect of periodicity=yes. I have included the corrected par. Also, more apologies to Kerry. After I posted the pars & frm, I realized I had deleted useful data! While searching for gravijuls afflicted by the problem, I ended up recoloring one of my old images with a modified Linda Allison map. I thought the original was pretty good, but the recolor is less cartoonish, more elegant. Later, Bud } ; *** pars ghjp2a { ; jp2 in ghost mode - (c) Bud 4/29/98 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=filist.frm formulaname=ghost_jul passes=t center-mag=0/0/0.7 params=0.2875/0.01095/4/1 float=y maxiter=300 decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=G7E<6>67N47O58P<4>7DS8ET9FUAGUAGU<45>lyymzzmyz<44>CHXBGWAFV9EU9 DT\ 8CT<3>58Q57P67O<10>K7AL78M77O75P86<52>yxkyylzzmzzmyyl<53>Q87P76O77<4>H7D cyclerange=0/255 } gj172 { ; gj171 zoom - (c) Bud 2/16/98 reset=1930 type=formula formulafile=budz.frm formulaname=gravijul function=recip/tan/asin passes=t center-mag=0/0.716771/2.46 params=1.19/0/0/0/4/0 float=y maxiter=300 inside=200 outside=atan colors=0K0<37>0u0cv0<5>ww0<13>gg0ef0de0bc0ab0<6>TV0SU0SS0SR0<16>z00<21>W\ Vz<20>1yz0zz1yz<41>x2zz0zz0y<34>yNByOAxOA<35>0K0u3Yt2Z0K0 } gj173 { ; gj172 recolor - (c) Bud 5/3/98 ; with a tweaked Linda Allison palette reset=1930 type=formula formulafile=budz.frm formulaname=gravijul function=recip/tan/asin passes=t center-mag=0/0.716771/2.46 params=1.19/0/0/0/4/0 float=y maxiter=300 inside=200 outside=atan colors=800400<20>X00Y00_00a00<12>z00<25>Q00O00O11<14>`RTaTVaUWaWY<6>hhki\ jmjkoklqmmtonwkmsikohijegfcda<5>USJTQGROCPL8<2>TOBVPCXQDZSEaUG<9>xn_<13>\ TN9RL7PJ7PK8<14>nru<14>050130200<2>011011021031<2>053063063073083<3>0B50\ B50C61D7<2>4GC4HD5IE6JF7KH<5>AQNBRPAQO<5>7LH6KG5JE4ID4HB<22>1551541441 43\ 133<3>111000100200 } ; *** frms frm:ghost_jul { ; Kerry Mitchell ; ; colors Julia sets by combining the smoothed iteration ; with a background of rays from the center ; ; use decomp=256 ; p1 = Julia parameter ; real(p2) = bailout ; imag(p2) = "ghost" adjustment: set to 0 for only ; background rays, try 2 ; calculation performed on variable zc, z used for coloring ; maxr=real(p2), scale=imag(p2)*pi/128 ol2=1/log(2), fac=log(0.5*log(maxr)) iter=1, zc=pixel, c=p1, background=pixel : iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c ; ; bailout ; compute smoothed iteration as "angle" ; multiply angle by background to get final z ; set z to background for interior points ; set "iteration done" flag (iter=-1) ; if ((|zc|>maxr)||(iter==maxit)) smooth=(iter+ol2*(fac-log(log(cabs(zc)))))*scale angle=cos(smooth)+flip(sin(smooth)) z=background*angle if (iter==maxit) z=background endif iter=-1 endif iter>0 } frm:gravijul { ; generalized r^(-2) by Mark "Bud" Christenson 1/25/98 ; defaults: p1 = (1,0) p2 = (0,0) p3 = (4,0) z = pixel: w = fn1(z) z = fn3(p1/fn2(w*w)) + p2 |z| < p3 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Philip DiGiorgi" Subject: (fractint) A few pars Date: 04 May 1998 01:11:34 -0400 I enjoyed making these and thought I'd share them with you folks. They use the HyCycle_Julia formula that Paul Carlson posted a while back. Hope you folks find them interesting. Phil D phild@iinc.com -------------------------- pd-hcj01 { ; t= 0:01:28.93 (c) P. DiGiorgi - 5/98 ; Generated on a K6-266 at 1600x1200 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=carlson.frm formulaname=hycycl_julia passes=t center-mag=4.44089e-016/1.05471e-015/0.6854036/1/-44.996 params=1.15/0/0.6/0/0.1/0 float=y maxiter=255 inside=253 outside=summ colors=A0Iyol<19>wYGvXEvWDuVBuUA<4>uS3uR1uQ1<3>sO0sO0sN0s\ M0rL0<3>qJ0pI0pH0pG0pF0<3>nD0nC0mB0mA0m90<5>k50k50j40i30<\ 2>h10h00h00g00<7>d00d00c00b00<9>Z00Z00Y00X00<5>U00U00U00U\ 00U00<19>T00T00R00<8>000<5>000000110220<59>rgAshAtiBujC<1\ 0>xs`xtcxuexvhxwjyxm<14>ywtyvuyvvyvwzuy<4>zuyzuxztv<4>zon } pd-hcj02 { ; t= 0:01:10.31 (c) P. DiGiorgi - 5/98 ; Generated on a K6-266 at 1600x1200 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=carlson.frm formulaname=hycycl_julia passes=t center-mag=4.44089e-016/1.05471e-015/0.6360545/1/-44.996 params=1.4/0/1.5/0/0.05/0 float=y maxiter=255 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000PkN<42>882771771771<9>761761861961<37>z00cK0<9>\ ne0og0ph6<6>wrmxttxtr<20>fd3ec0db0<43>660551561561<37>z00\ NiM<11>TuTUwUUwU<11>PlO } pd-hcj08 { ; t= 0:03:57.28 (c) P. DiGiorgi - 5/98 ; Generated on a K6-266 at 1600x1200 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=carlson.frm formulaname=hycycl_julia passes=t center-mag=-2.22045e-016/4.996e-016/0.8691646/1/-45 params=0.7112000000000001/0.3200154/0.6/0/0.4/0 float=y maxiter=255 inside=253 outside=summ colors=A0FUKK<88>yyyzzzzyy<32>UKK6Ac<34>ADeAEeAEeBEeBEeBF\ f<12>HKiILiILiJMjKMjKNj<14>WXpWYqXZqY_rZ`r_`s<10>kkymlymm\ ziix<2>cdubct`as_`rY_q<18>DGfCFfBFe<4>6Ac59c6Ac6Qh6Qg } pd-hcj09 { ; t= 0:08:12.57 (c) P. DiGiorgi - 5/98 ; Generated on a K6-266 at 1600x1200 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=carlson.frm formulaname=hycycl_julia passes=t center-mag=-4.44089e-016/-1.38778e-016/0.7183908/1/-44.999 params=0.85/0/0.25/0/0.2/0 float=y maxiter=255 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000zux<26>wYGvXEvWDuVBuUA<4>uS3uR1uQ1<3>sO0sO0sN0sM\ 0rL0<2>qK0qJ0pI0pH0pG0<3>oE0nD0nC0mB0mA0<6>k50k50j40i30<2>\ h10h00h00g00<7>d00d00c00b00<9>Z00Z00Y00X00<5>U00U00U00U00U\ 00<12>400zuy<11>ywoywnyvm<15>xrYxrXxrWwqVwqVwqV<75>NH4NH4M\ G3LF3<12>000wruzuy } pd-hcj16 { ; t= 0:02:20.82 (c) P. DiGiorgi - 5/98 ; Using a K6-266 at 1600x1200 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=carlson.frm formulaname=hycycl_julia passes=t center-mag=0/1.11022e-016/0.7891157/1/-44.996 params=1.0648/0.60018/0.3/0/0.02/0 float=y maxiter=255 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000zc0<28>sN0rM0rM0rM0<44>c40c40c40c40b40<36>L40<5>\ 000cmzajx<2>ZewYdvYcvXbvWau<5>TXsSWsSWsSVr<42>B7iB6iB5iB5i\ A5hB5i<16>80b80b80a80a80`70`<32>10M10L10L00K00H00E<3>000 } frm:HyCycl_Julia {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 z = w = iter = range_num = bailout = 0 w = pixel c = p1 i = (0,1) k = 1.2 - p3 : w = w * w, wr = real(w) w = w - wr + abs(wr) - c angle = atan(imag(w)/wr) ka = k * angle / p3 rw = k * cos(angle) + p3 * cos(ka) iw = k * sin(angle) + p3 * sin(ka) ww = rw + i * iw dist = abs(|w|-|ww|) IF (dist < p2 && iter > 1) bailout = 1 index = 125 * dist / p2 z = index + range_num * 125 + 1 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 range_num = range_num + 1 IF (range_num == 2) range_num = 0 ENDIF z = z - iter bailout == 0 && |w| < 10000 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: (fractint) Re the "owner-fractint" message Date: 04 May 1998 00:50:30 -0600 Folks, the message I sent out that started: > From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com > Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 16:39:03 -0600 > When your email address doesn't work, all your fractint list messages > bounce to me. etc. was sent to the whole list, not to any particular person. It got a bit garbled and several people thought it was an automatic message to them. I apologize for the confusion. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: (fractint) pars 'n' such / correction Date: 03 May 1998 23:45:29 -0700 I wrote: >Thanks and congratulations to Charles Crocker... Oops, hyperactive fimbies. Make that *Crocke*. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Forbus Subject: (fractint) Are there other mailing lists? Date: 04 May 1998 03:30:59 -0500 Hello All, I'm not using Fractint, but Tiera-Zon 24 instead. Are there any other Fracal groups like this one? DLF Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Are there other mailing lists? Date: 04 May 1998 03:37:52 -0500 David Forbus wrote: > > I'm not using Fractint, but Tiera-Zon 24 instead. > Are there any other Fracal groups like this one? > Mail Listings: FRACTAL-ART, The Fractal Art Discussion List Administrator: Jon Noring Subscription Address: majordomo@aros.net (body of your email message: subscribe fractal-art) Posts: fractal-art@aros.net Description: This mailing list is open to all individuals/organizations interested in all aspects of Fractal Art. This would include fractal and digital artists, fractal software developers, gallery owners, museum curators, art marketers and brokers, printers, art collectors, and simply anybody who just plain likes to look at fractal images. Archive: ftp://ftp.aros.net/pub/users/noring/fractal-art/ FRACTAL-ART-SAFE, (same as above). FRACTINT, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Administrator: Tim Wegner Subscription Address: majordomo@xmission.com (body of your email message: subscribe fractint) Posts: Fractint@xmission.com Description: This mailing list is for the discussion of fractals, fractal art, fractal algorithms, fractal software, and fractal programming. Specific discussion related to the freeware MS-DOS program Fractint and it's ports to other platforms is welcome, but discussion need not be Fractint related. Technical discussion is welcome, but so are beginner's questions, so don't be shy. This is a good place to share Fractint tips, tricks, and techniques, or to wax poetic about other fractal software. Archive: ftp:// FRACTINT-DIGEST, (same as above except for list name, this is a single email sent containing the last several postings). Subscription Address: fractint-digest-request@xmission.com FRACTELITE-LIST, The Fractal Elite Mailing List Administrator: Terry W. Gintz Subscription Address: fractelite-list-request@terindell.com Posts: fractelite-list@terindell.com Description: This mailing list was designed expressly as a forum for users of TWG's set of fractal programs (Fractal Elite, Fractal Commander, Fractal Agent, and ZPlot). This is a forum for wish lists, technique and par file sharing. Archive: ftp:// FRAC-L, Forum on Fractals, Chaos, and Complexity Administrator: Ermel Stepp Subscription Address: listproc@archives.math.utk.edu (body of your email message: SUBSCRIBE FRAC-L Your_first_name Your_last_name (substituting your actual first/last names, of course). Posts: frac-l@archives.math.utk.edu Description: The purpose of FRAC-L is to be a globally networked forum for discourse and collaboration on fractals, chaos, and complexity in multiple disciplines, professions, and arts. Archive: ftp:// FRAC-L, Forum on Fractals, Chaos, and Complexity Administrator: David D. Lester Subscription Address: LISTSERV@GITVM1.GATECH.EDU (body of your email message: subscribe frac-l) Posts: FRAC-L@GITVM1.GATECH.EDU Description: Mailing list dedicated to the computer graphical generation of fractal images. In conjunction with the list, an archive of programs submitted by users will be maintained. Mr. Homer Smith of "Art Matrix" in Ithaca, New York, has donated a program library, which will soon be available from LISTSERV at GITVM1. Archive: ftp:// FRACTDEV, Fractint Developer's Discussion List Administrator: Tim Wegner Subscription Address: majordomo@xmission.com (body of your email message: subscribe fractdev) Posts: Fractdev@xmission.com Description: The purpose of this list is to facilitate communication between developers working on the freeware program Fractint and it's ports. For years the hub of Fractint's development has been CompuServe (currently GO FRACTAL). While that is likely to remain so for the future, this list should enable developers not on CompuServe to participate more easily. Archive: ftp:// FRACTDEV-DIGEST, (same as above except for list name, this is a single email sent containing the last several postings). Subscription Address: fractdev-digest-request@xmission.com FRACPROGRAMMERS, The Fractal Programmers Discussion List Administrator: Terry W. Gintz Subscription Address: fracprogrammers-list-request@terindell.com Posts: fracprogrammers-list@terindell.com Description: Thanks to the net skills and resources of Melissa D. Binde, there is now a fractal programmer's mailing list. Archive: ftp:// Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) Are there other mailing lists? Date: 04 May 1998 04:53:05 -0400 [Comprehensive and helpful list snipped] Why the devil is Frac-L in there twice... and with different listserv address and administrator name to boot? (Looks suspiciously like what happens to databases without a 'modify' command when you enter a new record with changed addresses and forget to delete the old...) -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://www3.sympatico.ca/bob.beland/indexn2f.html _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Les St Clair" Subject: Re: (fractint) file limit Date: 04 May 1998 12:10:12 +0100 Tim, >>Les, let us know whether or not you would accept email submission s >>for your site. My CompuServe web site is close to it's 5MB limit. However, I have another web site at Prestel with "unlimited" space. The only catch is that bandwidth for personal pages is limited to 600MB per month. For storing .par files and such this wouldn't be a problem. I would, therefore, be interested in setting up a par file archive there. Anyone interested in having there work located there should contact me at: les@crosstrees.prestel.co.uk cheers, Les Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Les St Clair" Subject: Re: (fractint) Two equation formula (long) Date: 04 May 1998 11:25:07 +0100 Hi Paul, >>Now try getting the correct *names* associated with the GIF's. It's quite >>difficult, even with the aid of a couple of stiff Martinis. :-) >You're right - I'll have to think of a better way. You could use the "savename=" command in the par to specify an 8.3 format name, whilst retaining the original name in the title. IMO this is such a useful feature that it should be included as an option at the screen (Tim?) Then all we would need is for Michael Peters to update partobat to look for a savename before making up one of it's own! Here's an example... Run the par then hit ave. The DOS-friendly name "giftwrap" is automatically assigned. Christmas_giftwrap { ; t= 0:01:58.03 ; t=calc time [h:mm:ss.] using a PII-266 at 1600x1200 ; (c) 1998 by Les St Clair [Par date: May 04, 1998] ; e-mail to: les_stclair@compuserve.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_d.frm formulaname=dmj-mand-cr2-ang passes=t center-mag=-0.05764212738105143/+0.88330505057159070/114.4689 params=1/0/0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=256 inside=zmag decomp=256 colors=WQT<4>NKRLIQKIQ<14>5VV<15>jsw<13>HL_FJYFJYEIX<14>tlo<14>VKNTILSIL\ <14>AUO<15>esm<14>KHGIEDJGF<5>SSVTUYWYbWYbWYbZag<2>bgodjrciq<13>MSaKQ_LR\ `<14>iqu<14>IQVGOTGOU<12>8`j7al7al<14>hpukqvkpu<13>kbYlaWk`W<7>YRT cyclerange=0/255 savename=giftwrap.gif } frm:dmj-Mand-Cr2-Ang { ; outside = decomp: angle of closest z[n] to ring at p1 ; This is the angle relative to p1. IF (imag(p2) == 0) ; Invalid value for aspect ratio. p2 = (0,1) + real(p2) ; Substitute a default value. ENDIF IF (real(p3) == 0) ; Invalid value for color scale. p3 = 75 + flip(imag(p3)) ; Substitute a default value. ENDIF IF (imag(p3) == 0) ; Invalid value for ring radius. p3 = (0,1) + real(p3) ; Substitute a default value. ENDIF closest = 1e+38 ; Closest approach so far. point = 0 ; Point of that closest approach. done = 2 ; Iteration counter. r = (0,1) ^ (real(p2)/90) ; Compute rotation vector. radius = sqr(imag(p3)) ; Calculate radius squared. z = 0, c = pixel: ; Mandelbrot initialization. z = sqr(z) + c ; Mandelbrot calculation. done = done + 1 ; Done one more iteration. z2 = (z-p1) * r ; Offset to p1 and rotate. z2 = real(z2) + flip(imag(z2) * imag(p2)) ; Distort aspect. d = abs((|z2|) - radius) ; Compute ring distance squared. IF (d < closest) ; Closer than previous value. point = z ; Save that point. closest = d ; Save the closest approach. ENDIF IF (|z| > 128) ; Point exceeds bailout. z = point - p1 ; Return closest point. done = -1 ; Set flag to force an exit. ENDIF done >= 0 ; Continue if the flag is clear. ;SOURCE: dmj-pub.frm } BTW, great formula by Damien Jones!! cheers, Les Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SKarl52884 Subject: (fractint) GeneralQ? .BAT Date: 04 May 1998 08:14:26 EDT Greetings, Can someone direct me to the instructions to run a .bat file to print a par file that has many entries? Also...what .bat is it? Where can I get it etc? Thanks ~~^~~^~~^~~^ SK Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Kaplan Subject: Re: (fractint) Dual-formatted mime Date: 04 May 1998 09:42:57 -0400 (EDT) you wrote: > > 'X client' is something like XFmail, xterm, what have you, that uses > > the facilities provided by the 'X server' -- namely, access to > > keystrokes and screen graphics. So the server runs on your desktop, > > and the client runs in the data center. Weird. > > I was referring here to the client program used to log on the X server machine > and run programs remotely on it, which presents the GUI locally and accepts your > input... seems there's some mixup of terminology because there are 2 kinds of > client... > This was XWin32, the other client the XFMail program, and the X server and > XFMail running on one of 20 linked X machines... XWin32 is actually the X server... you log onto a client, peculiarly enough, or which the application is running. X terminology is counterintuitive. > > > > Is [TkRat] written with that Tcl/Tk thing I keep hearing about? > > > Yep. BTW, you can get Tcl/Tk (with great docs and lots of examples) > > for Win32 and the Mac; I think www.scriptics.com or sunscript.sun.com > > might be good places to start. It's *great*. > > What is it, exactly? Tickle-T-K is one of the two main libraries for programming in X; you might think of it as the equivalent of the Microsoft foundation classes, that kind of thing. Functions for creating windows, buttons, playing with pointers, lots lots more, just spares you the gruntwork of doing all that. Also contains quite a lot of other common programming functions, to the extent that programming with Tcl/Tk is close to being a language of its own... the main competition, in terms of XWindows, is Motif... O'Reilly, of course, has the definitive book on the subject. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Kaplan Subject: Re: (fractint) Dual-formatted mime Date: 04 May 1998 10:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Profound apologies. That last message wasn't meant to be sent to the list. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Re: Are there other mailing lists? Date: 04 May 1998 10:26:09 -0500 Paul Derbyshire wrote: > > [Comprehensive and helpful list snipped] > > Why the devil is Frac-L in there twice... and with different listserv address and administrator name to boot? -------- Hi Paul and the rest of Team Fractals: According to my files the FRAC-L archives are at: ftp://archives.math.utk.edu/teaching.materials/fractals/ I checked to see if this archives still exists, and it does. There's a wealth of old Fractint formulas and params here, among other things, in case anyone wants to go back into history. Bob Now for a word from our sponsor: Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) file limit Date: 04 May 1998 12:10:16 -0500 Tim (& everyone), - Damien Jones has offerred his FTP site at ftp.fractalus.com as a - location to upload larger PAR and FRM files. Damien, could you let us - know upload instructions? The idea is instead of uploading a large - file to the list, upload it instead to Damien's site. For security reasons, I can't make a simple upload directory where everybody can store and download files. (Anyone who wants to know why should ask me privately.) If you have a large file you would like to make available to everyone on the list, just send it as an e-mail attachment to ftpadmin@fractalus.com; I will put the file on the FTP server and post the URL to this list. My mailbox can handle pretty big files, but if you want to send me something that's bigger than 10M, please let me know first. :) Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) file limit Date: 04 May 1998 12:26:34 -0500 Les, - The only catch is that bandwidth for personal pages is limited to 600MB - per month. For storing .par files and such this wouldn't be a problem. Maybe, maybe not. 600M isn't much, as far as bandwidth goes. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Two equation formula (long) Date: 04 May 1998 12:25:03 -0500 Les, - Christmas_giftwrap { ; t= 0:01:58.03 - - BTW, great formula by Damien Jones!! In the hands of an experienced explorer like yourself, I'd wager just about any formula could be great... :) Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Pars for the course Date: 04 May 1998 14:41:02 -0500 Hi Fractalizens: This time let's see what can be designed using another great formula from Sylvie--Gallet-6-04. Bob _______________________________________________ Study_#1-05|04|98 { ; (c) by Bob Margolis, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=Gallet-6-04 function=tan/sqr/flip passes=1 center-mag=+0.00005690352941189/+0.00008047058823517/980.3922/1.3333/0/2\ 7.474 params=5/0/0/0/0.3/0.05 float=y maxiter=255 potential=256/256/0 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000mhq<2>qlu000<9>033000033<18>188426<129>SEj100<28>nOI000<13>000\ IGJ<26>lgp000<13>000 cyclerange=1/1 } Study_#2-05|04|98 { ; (c) by Bob Margolis, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=Gallet-6-04 function=cosxx/sqr/conj passes=1 center-mag=-0.209342/-0.209342/0.370892/1.3333/45 params=2/0.5/1/0.25/0.5/0.125 float=y maxiter=255 potential=256/256/0 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000rjW<28>jbRzf_<58>VJ0000<59>000za0<57>W11zr`<28>rjW000<13>000 cyclerange=1/1 } Study_#3-05|04|98 { ; (c) by Bob Margolis, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=Gallet-6-04 function=tan/sqr/asinh passes=1 center-mag=-1.11022e-016/-1.04058e-015/1.604621/1.3333/-44.999 params=8/0/3/0/0.25/0.175 float=y maxiter=255 potential=256/256/0 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=0000BPH00<27>g00h00f00<21>100FFF<9>OUZPW`RZd<9>_nx`oz_mx<21>777FF\ F<23>zo`<22>FFF<24>yUF<22>FFF<14>`0000D<24>0oz<16>0DR cyclerange=1/1 } Study_#4-05|04|98 { ; (c) by Bob Margolis, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=Gallet-6-04 function=tan/conj/asinh passes=1 center-mag=1.71734/1.75761/0.1950667/1.3333/-135 params=6/0/0.5/0/2/1 float=y maxiter=255 potential=256/256/0 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000h_D<8>gY2fX0dReh`N<18>`meg`N<4>ZbQg`QXbR<9>FfY<4>iyK<21>rg8rg8\ rh8<10>sp8tq9sqE<5>jvmhwsgvs<21>8Ln6Jm6Jk<10>5HO4GL6HL<15>hXLkZKk_M<12>w\ tq<4>kIghAdgCe<12>Knt<9>jTe<11>2ys<17>ptt<15>MtlKukLuk<8>anp cyclerange=1/1 } Study_#5-05|04|98 { ; (c) by Bob Margolis, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=Gallet-6-04 function=cos/sin/recip passes=1 center-mag=0/0/0.09405256/1.3333 params=0/0.5/0/0.5/0/0.5 float=y maxiter=255 potential=256/256/0 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000FB6<11>zlR<14>DA40AA1CB<15>Xne<15>8HF6FD4CB2A9077<2>19919A1AA2\ BA<4>3ED3FD4GE5HF<17>CWTCWTCVS<24>2BAHDD<11>lcTofVqhWtkYwmZzp`<5>JD6I00<\ 10>zO0<25>I00E00<12>v_0<15>E00000000530<18>9K09K09J09J0AI0<11>530 cyclerange=1/1 } Study_#6-05|04|98 { ; (c) by Bob Margolis, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=Gallet-6-04 function=tan/asin/acos passes=1 center-mag=0.932515/0.930897/1.46394/1.3333/180 params=1.1/0/0.075/-1/4/0 float=y maxiter=255 potential=256/256/0 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000FB6<11>zlR<14>DA40AA1CB<15>Xne<15>8HF6FD4CB2A9077<2>19919A1AA2\ BA<4>3ED3FD4GE5HF<17>CWTCWTCVS<24>2BAHDD<11>lcTofVqhWtkYwmZzp`<5>JD6I00<\ 10>zO0<25>I00E00<12>v_0<15>E00000000530<18>9K09K09J09J0AI0<11>530 cyclerange=1/1 } Study_#7-05|04|98 { ; (c) by Bob Margolis, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=Gallet-6-04 function=tan/asin/acos passes=1 center-mag=6.03684e-016/-6.03684e-016/8.431373/1.3333 params=2/0/-0.5/1.1/0/0 float=y maxiter=255 potential=256/256/0 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000CBI<3>123AXWG_T<13>vx5KWTPZX<13>yxw_oFWkK<13>2OvLNJQRO<13>vvwX\ L1UP8<12>5nu3py0m_7ha<13>s9p6mgDhh<13>x7s5qWBjW<13>q0VEesKbn<11>sNIwMGyK\ D8MdEQ`<13>zt7mLIgPM<12>5pjr_elW`<13>153_bkWZe<13>250rlmkgg<13>076iptcjn\ <13>10BgbxaYq<8>EEM cyclerange=1/1 } Study_#8-05|04|98 { ; (c) by Bob Margolis, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=Gallet-6-04 function=cosxx/asin/acos passes=1 center-mag=-0.665512/-0.900806/0.06915629/1.3333/44.999 params=1.5/1/0.5/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=255 potential=256/256/0 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000<30>xC0zD0yD0<29>2110fz<7>zzz<6>0fz000<15>0V0<7>zzz<6>0x00z0<7\ >zzz<6>0Y0<15>0200fz<7>zzz<6>0fz000<30>xx0zz0yy0<29>2200fz<7>zzz<6>0fz0f\ z<7>zzz<6>0fz cyclerange=1/1 } Gallet-6-04 { ; Sylvie Gallet [101324,3444], 1996 z = pixel , x = real(z) , y = imag(z) : x1 = x - p1*fn1(y + fn2(p2*x) * fn3(p3*y)) y1 = y - p1*fn1(x + fn2(p2*y) * fn3(p3*x)) x = x1 , y = y1 z = x + flip(y) |z| <= 32 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jimmy Page Subject: (fractint) Shishikura's calculations Date: 04 May 1998 22:09:53 +0200 Hi there, Has anybody seen any web resources devoted to Mandelbrot's and Julia's sets Hausdorff dimension. The link on http://graffiti.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/sci.fractals-faq/mandelbrot.html to ftp://math.sunysb.edu/preprints/ims91-7.ps.Z seems to be broken. I urgently need this information. Thanks in advance. Cheers, Piotr Hosowicz pinio@pol.pl Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Are there other mailing lists? Date: 04 May 1998 22:02:52 +0100 David Forbus wrote: >Hello All, > >I'm not using Fractint, but Tiera-Zon 24 instead. Are there any other >Fracal groups like this one? > >DLF Hmmm, where can I get Tiera-Zon 24? (Don't worry folks, fractint first!) Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Valero Subject: Re: (fractint) Two equation formula (long) Date: 04 May 1998 16:11:09 -0400 At 06:56 AM 02/05/98 -0700, you wrote: >Seems silly to hold a grudge. Welcome aboard Turner..... Good show! I have to agree given that I ramble so... ><version!!!! Loved your new stuff>> Thanks- this is always encouraging to hear. I once suggested that built-in image filtering ala kpt would be nice but someone (Paul?) thought it wasn't necessary as there were sufficient filters and image editors available. He is probably correct but, what the hell, built-in ray tracing would be neat. Of course, I probably only think so because I've been at it for just a few days. Ah well, it's the toys that keep me young (well, maybe not physically) and I think I am just about approaching puberty backwards... Regards - Jack visit our fractal gallery: http://www.globalserve.net/~jval/phractal.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Valero Subject: (fractint) Answer to life? Date: 04 May 1998 16:11:10 -0400 At 08:46 AM 02/05/98 -0700, Mark Christenson wrote: >The only two huge posts I would accept without issue would be either >1) a book of life's great secrets by God (you know, all of the good >stuff he didn't reveal to the Jews, or Jesus' followers, or Mohammed, >etc.) Easily done. See the next line only. That was easy, no? :) Regards - Jack visit our fractal gallery: http://www.globalserve.net/~jval/phractal.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: luisrmcosta@gyral.com (Luis Ricardo Costa) Subject: (fractint) Hi / Last version of Fractint Date: 04 May 1998 20:26:41 GMT Hi... =46irst, since I'm new at the list, I would like to introduce myself. My = name is Luis Ricardo Costa and I'm from Portugal... I would like to know which is the latest version of Fractint, and how can= I get it... I saw that there's a list of files in the server that manages this mailing-list. But I don't know which is the file and I'm not sure which is the command to ask that file. I think that I've to send an = e-mail to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with the command: get fractint (file) And I think that the file is: fractint.9804 Am I right? Or, if you know an FTP which has the lastest version, please indicate me the complete URL to the file... Just to make sure that I don't get the oldest version! Thanks for any help, Luis Ricardo Costa Odivelas =3D> Portugal luisrmcosta@gyral.com *** ICQ UIN: 4111347 EXPO'98 =3D> http://www.expo98.pt Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SKarl52884 Subject: (fractint) Re:Tierazon { flariums lil bro' } Date: 04 May 1998 16:29:34 EDT In a message dated 98-05-04 16:12:54 EDT, you write: << Hmmm, where can I get Tiera-Zon 24? (Don't worry folks, fractint first!) Christian >> Hi Christian: This link goes to Flarium24 but there is a link to tierazon on that page also. { somewhere } I messed with both for about 6 hours...cute....nice bells and whistles ...but they made it obvious that fractint is the mother of all generators. Have fun. Steve ~~^~~^~~^~~^~~^~~^~~^~~^~~^~~^ http://home.hiwaay.net/~stephenf/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) bailout project Date: 04 May 1998 15:26:35 -0700 A few days ago I started out trying to put an elliptical bailout on some of the formulas like gravijul and SpiderM. I actually have been a little disappointed in the results- the original formulas had a lot of versatility and all the results of this have the same pleasant but relentlessly similar symmetry. Maybe someone can come up with something interesting or better yet change the formula. 1spring { ; 5-3-98 kathy roth ; variation on gravijul by Mark Christenson reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=bail.frm formulaname=bail2 function=recip/atanh/atan passes=t center-mag=3.55271e-015/-3.55271e-015/0.1577899 params=1/0/0/0/1000/2 float=y maxiter=100000 inside=111 outside=summ invert=1/0/0 colors=K58F03K03Q03X03e03o13<4>rKL\ <4>uaEudCvgAvj8wm6<2>zw0<3>ig4<9>upz<9\ >MP9<6>bhG<7>zzz<8>00c00k00t00k00c00X\ 00R00M<2>00D00B00A009<15>USh<2>MJc<\ 25>eDGeDFfDEfDDgDChCB<2>`ABY9AV9AT89Q79\ N69H48<5>005<14>vvv<16>008<15>oc0\ <12>B820048525321031030040042033034036\ 02802B01F01K01Q40XC0eP0oc0<5>tmT<7\ >zU3<10>aLDB04 } 1springa { ; 5-3-98 kathy roth ; different color colors=K58tYF<3>vj8wm6xp4yt2zw0<3>ig4<9>\ upz<9>MP9<6>bhG<7>zzz<8>00c00k00\ t00k00c00X00R00M<2>00D00B00A009<15>\ USh<2>MJc<25>eDGeDFfDEfDDgDChCB<2>`AB\ Y9AV9AT89Q79N69H48<5>005<14>vvv<16>008\ <15>oc0<12>B8200485253210310300400\ 4203303403602802B01F01K01Q40XC0eP0oc0\ <5>tmT<7>zU3<10>aLDB04F03K03Q03X03e\ 03o13<4>rKL<2>tVH } 1springb { ; 5-3-98 kathy roth ; different color colors=000VVwWWz<7>J9J<15>zWz<7>\ J09<15>z0W<7>J90<15>zW0<7>JJ0<15>zz0<7>9\ 9J<13>TTuww0mm0SUs<6>0J9<13>0uT0cwWWz0uU\ <6>0JJ<14>0xx0zz2tt<5>HKGMAM<15>\ wVw<3>oRomPmiS`dWOoo4``A<14>zz0<4>__AN\ UALO3<8>px9<5>KMGFGIBBM<12>TTu } 2lace_doily { ; 5-3-98 kathy roth ; variation on gravijul by Mark Christenson reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=bail.frm formulaname=bail7 function=sqr/abs/tan center-mag=0.236284/0.0529231/0.2464505 params=1/0/0/0/2/1 outside=summ decomp=256 colors=000KWC<10>PbF<6>svc<6>feBdc\ 7``8<4>FOFJNF<2>caEkfDrkDzqCzmC<4>xRB8\ MBwHAvDAv8Av7Ammmw69<2>x39<3>`A7QE6KG\ 6<7>rDQ<2>tS_uXcvagwfkwknxpryuvzzz<\ 33>LguKguJfuHetHdrHcq<4>F`kE_iEZhEYfD\ Ye<8>BUVBUUBTTASR<38>4AA<13>BZUC`VB\ ZU<19>7E87D75C66B5693<8>AF6AG6AG6AH6B\ H7<5>DL85M8EM8<2>FO9DGIAPABQACRAARA\ 9SB0SBATB5UBJUBKVCmmm } 3 { ; 5-3-98 kathy roth ; variation on gravijul by Mark Christenson reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=bail.frm formulaname=bail7 function=sqr/abs/cos center-mag=-6.48e-005/-2.05e-006/0.06311491 params=1/1/0/0/2/1 outside=summ decomp=256 colors=000w69<2>x39<3>`A7QE6KG6<7>rDQ\ <2>tS_uXcvagwfkwknxpryuvzzz<33>LguK\ guJfuHetHdrHcq<4>F`kE_iEZhEYfDYe<8>B\ UVBUUBTTASR<38>4AA<13>BZUC`VBZU<22>6\ B56936A4<22>FO9DGIGPA<21>PbF<6>svc<6>f\ eBdc7``8<4>FOFJNF<2>caEkfDrkDzqCzm\ C<8>v8Av7Ammm } 4 { ; 5-3-98 kathy roth ; variation on gravijul by Mark Christenson ; palette by Paul Carlson reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=bail.frm formulaname=bail7 function=sqr/abs/cos center-mag=-8.6155e-005/-2.62e-006/0.2693168 params=1/0/3/1/2/1 outside=summ decomp=256 colors=0000CC<10>0jjmmm0pp<2>0zz<12>0\ CC00O<14>FFwGGzFFw<11>00OSA`<14>eNx\ fOzeNw<11>I0KO08<15>z0f<12>O08O00<15>z\ 88<12>O00c40<14>xU0zW0yU0<11>c40aG\ 0<15>zz0<12>aG00C4<15>0zR<12>0C400\ 0<10>000zzz000O08 } 5red { ; 5-3-98 kathy roth ; variation on gravijul by Mark Christenson ; palette by Paul Carlson reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=bail.frm formulaname=bail2 function=recip/atanh/atan passes=t center-mag=3.55271e-015/-3.55271e-015/0.1577899 params=1/0/0/0/1000/2 float=y inside=111 outside=atan colors=000ITB<15>PbF<6>svc<6>feBd\ c7``8<4>FOFJNF<2>caEkfDrkDzqCzmC<8>v8A<\ 5>x39<3>`A7QE6KG6<7>rDQ<2>tS_uXcvagwfk\ wknxpryuvzzz<33>LguKguJfuHetHdrHcq\ <4>F`kE_iEZhEYfDYe<8>BUVBUUBTTASR<38>4A\ A<13>BZUC`VBZU<22>6B56936A4<29>IS\ B } ship's_net { ; 5-3-98 kathy roth ; variation on gravijul by Mark Christenson reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=bail.frm formulaname=bail7 function=ident/abs/tan center-mag=0.236259/0.0529231/0.2464505 params=1/0/0/0/2/1 outside=summ decomp=256 colors=0007JJ<18>4BA4AA4CC<12>BZUC`V\ BZU<22>6B56936A4<46>PbF<6>svc<6>feBd\ c7``8<4>FOFJNF<2>caEkfDrkDzqCzmC<8>v\ 8A<5>x39<3>`A7QE6KG6<7>rDQ<2>tS_uXcv\ agwfkwknxpryuvzzz<33>LguKguJfuHetHdr\ Hcq<4>F`kE_iEZhEYfDYe<8>BUVBUUBTTASR\ <17>7KJ } astrolabe { ; 5-3-98 kathy roth ; variation on gravijul by Mark Christenson reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=bail.frm formulaname=bail7 function=sqr/abs/recip center-mag=0.23609/0.0529231/0.2464505 params=1/0/0/0/2/1 outside=atan decomp=256 colors=000a0C<5>z0C00H<14>z0H00L<14>z\ 0L00P<14>z0P00T<14>z0T00Y<14>z0Y00a\ <14>z0a00e<14>z0e00i<14>z0i00n<14>z0\ n00r<14>z0r00v<14>z0v00z<14>z0z400<1\ 3>z00004<14>z04008<14>z0800C<7>Y0C } ship's_wheel { ; 5-3-98 kathy roth ; variation on gravijul by Mark Christenson reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=bail.frm formulaname=bail7 function=recip/abs/tan center-mag=0.236278/0.0529231/0.2464505 params=1/0/0/0/2/1 outside=summ decomp=256 colors=000w69<2>x39<3>`A7QE6KG6<7>rD\ Q<2>tS_uXcvagwfkwknxpryuvzzz<33>LguK\ guJfuHetHdrHcq<4>F`kE_iEZhEYfDYe<8>B\ UVBUUBTTASR<38>4AA<13>BZUC`VBZU<22>6\ B56936A4<22>FO9DGIGPA<21>PbF<6>svc<6>f\ eBdc7``8<4>FOFJNF<2>caEkfDrkDzqCzm\ C<8>v8Av7Ammm } spider_ellipse{;bailout variation by kathy roth ; by Jean-Pierre Louvet ; shortcut by Bud z=pixel, f=pixel, g =f+p2, a=real(p3), b=imag(p3): f=f/p1+z, z=fn1(z^g)+fn2(f), real(z) * real(z)/ a + imag(z) * imag(z)/b < 1 } gravellipse_2u {;bailout variation by kathy roth ; Phil DiGiorgi's variation of Mark Christenson's gravijul j = imag(p3), k = real(p3) z = abs(pixel): x = real(z), y = imag(z) w = fn1(x) + k*y, v = fn1(y) + k*x u = fn2(w + flip(v)) z = fn4(p1/fn3(u*u)) + p2 x * x/j + y * y/ k<1 } bail2{ ;5-3-98 kathy roth ;variation of gravijul by Mark Christenson z = pixel, a=real(p3), b=imag(p3): w = fn1(z) z = fn3(p1/fn2(w*w)) + p2 real(z)^ real(z)/ a + imag(z) * imag(z)/b < 1 } bail6{ ;5-3-98 kathy roth ;variation of gravijul by Mark Christenson z = pixel, a=real(p3), b=imag(p3): w = fn1(z) z = fn3(p1/fn2(w*w)) + p2 fn4(real(z))/ a + fn4(imag(z))/b < 1 } bail7{ ;5-3-98 kathy roth ;variation of gravijul by Mark Christenson z = pixel, a=real(p3), b=imag(p3): z = fn1(p1/fn2((1/z)*(1/z)) + p2 fn3(real(z))/ a + fn3(imag(z))/b < 1 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: (fractint) 3 pars Date: 04 May 1998 18:41:27 -0400 Greetings, The following three pars are derived from Damien M. Jones's frm and par titled: dmj-Mand-Pls-Dst which I assume everyone has. This is a case of serendipity in a way - I was randomly picking a couple of pars to look at before retiring for the evening, and this was the first one I looked at. The original par is IMO one of the better ones. Being a tinkerer I tinkered a bit - but not much. Only a slight zoom and color maps; with or without my changes, I think this spiral deserves another look and post. Damien suggested I change the original name to Blue Blade - but if everyone else has the original par under the name indicated, then it would be difficult to compare. So, to quote Damien (and I hope you do not object): "...But, on looking at the PARs, I see I must have posted my "Blue Blade" PAR as an example of that particular formula, and named it "dmj-Mand-Pls-Dst". (Seems my memory isn't what it used to be!) I have no objections to the PARs being posted, but it would probably be better to change the original name to "Blue Blade"." The color of Damien's original is _very_ close to the color of Blue_Lace; the actual color maps are different. The third par, Shadow Spiral, is, IMO opinion, striking. Extraordinarily so. I wish I could claim credit for this, but it is really just combining one of Mark's color maps with essentially one of Damien's pars (albeit slightly modified). Blue_Lace_Spr { ; mod of dmj-Mand-Pls-Dst ; color map: dav43blu reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=dmj-mand-pls-dst passes=1 center-mag=+0.28120054388312960/+0.00933852128256733/44156.87 params=0/0/45/100/256/128 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 outside=real colors=V`tWau<25>22p00o00o00o000<142>00000o<63>lvvmwwlvw<13>Xcu } Fire_Spiral { ; mod of dmj-Mand-Pls-Dst ; color map: dav30a reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=dmj-mand-pls-dst passes=1 center-mag=+0.28120054388312960/+0.00933852128256733/44156.87 params=0/0/45/100/256/128 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 outside=real colors=cF3iZJj`Lj`L<14>cF3V00<18>lPDmRElPD<9>V00cF3<12>iZJj`Lj`L<14>cF3V\ 00<46>j`Lj`Lj_L<57>W11V00V00V00<47>bE2bE2cF3cG4<11>iYI } Shadow_Spiral { ; mod of dmj-Mand-Pls-Dst ; color map: bud7 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=dmj-mand-pls-dst passes=1 center-mag=+0.28120054388312960/+0.00933852128256733/44156.87 params=0/0/45/100/256/128 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 outside=real colors=000<4>A00C00D00E00<9>Y00_00`00a00<23>y00z00z10z20<41>zx0zz0yz1<42\ >2Vx0Uz1Uz<42>x1zz0zz1z<42>zxzzzzyyy<27>UUU } davides@pipeline.com Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Hi / Last version of Fractint Date: 04 May 1998 17:19:05 -0700 Hi Luis.....welcome to this list The latest version of Fractint is available at http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/getting.html I got it with my browser.....(Netscape). Click on the large brown letters which say "Get Fractint" and the file will download. The file name is frain196.zip Hope that helps and happy fractaling Angela aka wizzle Luis Ricardo Costa wrote: > > Hi... > First, since I'm new at the list, I would like to introduce myself. My name > is Luis Ricardo Costa and I'm from Portugal... > > I would like to know which is the latest version of Fractint, and how can I > get it... <> > > Or, if you know an FTP which has the lastest version, please indicate me > the complete URL to the file... Just to make sure that I don't get the > oldest version! > > Thanks for any help, > > Luis Ricardo Costa > Odivelas => Portugal > luisrmcosta@gyral.com *** ICQ UIN: 4111347 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Genealogy1 Subject: Re: (fractint) April Par Collection Date: 04 May 1998 22:46:09 EDT Les, You did a GREAT job with the April Par Collection. Let's give Les a round of aplause. --Bob Carr-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) Music to watch fractals by. Date: 04 May 1998 23:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Fractalnauts: For a week or so, I've been trying to think of music that would best augment a fractal animation. This evening, I finally thought of it. It's so obvious that I don't see how it could have been overlooked this long. The music is the opening to "Einstein on the Beach", an opera by Philip Glass. The music is minimalist and recursive, changing only very slowly over long periods of time. The words are "one two three four, one two three four, one two three four five six seven eight" repeated hypnotically over and over, almost to infinity. I don't know if the four-disk recording is still available, but I'm certainly going to be searching for it. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Earl Simpson" Subject: Re: (fractint) April Par Collection Date: 04 May 1998 22:59:14 -0500 -----Original Message----- Bob Carr wrote: >Les, > >You did a GREAT job with the April Par Collection. Let's give Les a round of >aplause. > >--Bob Carr-- > Agreed. Hip Hip Horay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Earl Simpson Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry Bluestein Subject: Re: (fractint) Shishikura's calculations Date: 05 May 1998 00:24:08 -0400 Jimmy, Have you tried using the Hotbot.com search engine? I entered "Hausdorff dimension" as the search phrase and recieved over 2000 responses. The top few, at least, seemed to relate to fractals. Jimmy Page wrote: > Hi there, > > Has anybody seen any web resources devoted to Mandelbrot's and Julia's sets Hausdorff dimension. The link on > http://graffiti.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/sci.fractals-faq/mandelbrot.html > to > ftp://math.sunysb.edu/preprints/ims91-7.ps.Z > seems to be broken. > > I urgently need this information. Thanks in advance. > > Cheers, > Piotr Hosowicz > pinio@pol.pl > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" -- Barry Bluestein - President The Lapis Group - Internet Consultants 11629 Deborah DR, Suite 1000 Potomac, MD 20854 301-299-0083 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Music to watch fractals by. Date: 04 May 1998 22:14:04 -0700 Oh...Glass....as in broken glass ....irritating and distracting glass......<> can I stand Schoenberg??? ...no no no....maybe Stravinsky on a bad day.....but.....please please please....no gas from glass Jim Muth wrote: > > Fractalnauts: > > For a week or so, I've been trying to think of music that would > best augment a fractal animation. This evening, I finally > thought of it. It's so obvious that I don't see how it could > have been overlooked this long. > > The music is the opening to "Einstein on the Beach", an opera > by Philip Glass. The music is minimalist and recursive, > changing only very slowly over long periods of time. The words > are "one two three four, one two three four, one two three four > five six seven eight" repeated hypnotically over and over, > almost to infinity. > > I don't know if the four-disk recording is still available, but > I'm certainly going to be searching for it. > > Jim Muth > jamth@mindspring.com > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil Bornemeier Subject: Re: (fractint) Music to watch fractals by. Date: 05 May 1998 01:02:03 -0400 At 11:50 PM 5/4/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Fractalnauts: > >For a week or so, I've been trying to think of music that would >best augment a fractal animation. Syntrillium has a nifty wind chime program that has a "fractal" mode. As well as a bunch of other options. You can download it for trial from: http://www.syntrillium.com/chimes.htm It is pretty nice. I'll have to register it soon. Phil B +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | pbornem@exis.net Not making a choice | | Phil Bornemeier is making a choice. | | It is a choice | | to stay where you are. | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: (fractint) Formula, pars Date: 05 May 1998 00:26:40 -0500 (CDT) comment { The orbit trap for this rendering method consists of a circle centered at the origin which passes through the center of four other circles which are tangent to each other. The trap consists of the areas common to the large circle and the smaller circles. This rendering method works with many different equations. Here I apply it to a modified series equation. Paul Carlson } frm:ORing_Series_Mset {; Copyright (c) Paul Carlson, 1998 ; real(p1) = radius of large circle ; imag(p1) = number of iterations to skip ; real(p2) = number of color ranges ; imag(p2) = number of colors in a range ; w = z = iter = range_num = 0 c = pixel r = real(p1) skip_iters = imag(p1) num_ranges = real(p2) colors_in_range = imag(p2) s2 = sqrt(2), ro = r * s2, r2 = r * r, k = r / s2 index_factor = (colors_in_range - 1) / k : w2 = w*w, w4 = .01*w2*w2, w8 = w4*w4, w12 = w4*w8, w16 = w4*w12 w = w2 - w4 - w8 - w12 - w16 + c wr = real(w), wi = imag(w), wr2 = wr * wr, wi2 = wi * wi ; c0 = ((wr2 + wi2) < r2) ; large circle c1 = (((wr - ro) * (wr - ro) + wi2) < r2) ; circle 1 c2 = ((wr2 + (wi + ro) * (wi + ro)) < r2) ; circle 2 c3 = (((wr + ro) * (wr + ro) + wi2) < r2) ; circle 3 c4 = ((wr2 + (wi - ro) * (wi - ro)) < r2) ; circle 4 ; IF (c0 && c1) ; if inside large circle and circle 1 dist = (wr - k) * (wr - k) + wi2 ELSEIF (c0 && c2) ; if inside large circle and circle 2 dist = wr2 + (wi + k) * (wi + k) ELSEIF (c0 && c3) ; if inside large circle and circle 3 dist = (wr + k) * (wr + k) + wi2 ELSEIF (c0 && c4) ; if inside large circle and circle 4 dist = wr2 + (wi - k) * (wi - k) ELSE dist = 0 ENDIF IF (dist > 0 && iter > skip_iters) index = index_factor * sqrt(dist) z = index + range_num * colors_in_range + 1 ENDIF range_num = range_num + 1 IF (range_num == num_ranges) range_num = 0 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter dist == 0 && |w| < 1.0e20 } orserm01 { ; Copyright (c) Paul Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=orngserm.frm formulaname=ORing_Series_Mset passes=1 center-mag=+0.36180152351235660/+0.09098150000634057/1.068557\ e+010/1/22.499 params=0.25/0/8/30 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00\ zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<10>000z00000000 } orserm02 { ; Copyright (c) Paul Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=orngserm.frm formulaname=oring_series_mset passes=1 center-mag=+0.29279512658051650/+0.00000000000000000/609034.9\ /1/-90 params=0.25/0/8/30 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000GGz<28>00OfOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40z\ z0<28>aG00zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CC000<10>000z00000000 } orserm03 { ; Copyright (c) Paul Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=orngserm.frm formulaname=ORing_Series_Mset passes=1 center-mag=+0.36180152358688310/+0.09098150004737603/1.162283\ e+011/1/29.998 params=0.25/0/8/30 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000z0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00zR<28>0C40\ zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00OfOz<28>I0K000<10>000z00000000 } orserm04 { ; Copyright (c) Paul Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=orngserm.frm formulaname=ORing_Series_Mset passes=1 center-mag=+0.29279483164663370/+0.00000125862361569/1.730213\ e+007/1/45 params=0.25/0/8/30 float=y maxiter=242 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00\ zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<10>000z00000000 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: Re: (fractint) Music to watch fractals by. Date: 05 May 1998 02:52:59 -0400 (EDT) At 10:14 PM 5/4/98 -0700, you wrote: >Oh...Glass....as in broken glass ....irritating and distracting >glass......<> can I stand Schoenberg??? ...no no no....maybe Stravinsky on >a bad day.....but.....please please please....no gas from glass Wizzle: Granted, Glass is mostly gas. His style is called minimalist because there is not much substance to it. But I recall a film released about 10 years ago, which achieved moderate success and featured a lot of time lapse photography of the desert southwest and life in bustling NYC. It was named something like Koyanisqatsi, and featured music by Glass. The hectic visual images and savagely reiterated musical phrases worked together quite well. If the time lapse images were replaced by fractal animations, and the music kept the same, the overall effect would be similar. Then of course, one person's art is another person's junk. BTW, on my one-to-ten scale, Glass would rate a three, Schoenberg a two, and Stravinsky a five. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:Tierazon { flariums lil bro' } Date: 04 May 1998 18:10:22 -0700 Steve wrote: >I messed with both for about 6 hours...cute....nice bells and whistles ...but >they made it obvious that fractint is the mother of all generators. Please let's not make this personal. I use both programs - Fractint and Tiera-Zon. They are quite different. The attributes of each makes it impossible to compare them to each other. I like apples and I like oranges. And both the Stone Soup Group and Stephen Ferguson are brilliant and generous to make these wonderful freeware programs freely available. Let's try not to compare them and decide which is "better" and which is "worse." >Have fun. That's the spirit! Linda http://www.fractalus.com/gumbycat/ (last update 4/29/98) http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519 (last update 5/1/98) http://www.toptown.com/innercircle/gumbycat/index.html (last update 3/20/98) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Montgomery Subject: (fractint) Can't let Glass pass... Date: 05 May 1998 01:30:03 -0600 Glass happens to be my current composer of choice. Yes. Even though on a desert island I would choose to have the five Late Quartettes by LVB. The quartettes would not be good as Fractint music, although I play it in the BG often, while at the computer, as I do Mozart, Sibelius, Mahler, Debussey etc., etc., etc.. Jim Muth mentioned Koyaanisqatsi which I go to sleep with using earphones, and there is also the truly wrenching Powaqqatsi as well as the Low Symphony from a David Bowie number - all by Glass, any of which could be used for a fractal show. But, the bottom line, is STILL, to each his own. YOU make the fractal, YOU choose the music that you think goes with it. Then every one's happy. Me, I like most music. I like most fractals. I LOVE Fractint. I love to read all your messages. I love my little grand-daughter. Sorry wizzle. About Glass, I mean. It's just a style. You don't have to like it. Ray Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Otterstaetter Subject: Re: (fractint) Aplause Date: 05 May 1998 09:52:35 +0200 Earl Simpson wrote: > Bob Carr wrote: > > Les, > > You did a GREAT job with the April Par Collection. Let's give Les a round > of >aplause. > Agreed. Hip Hip Horay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In deed!! Aplause, aplause ... Keep on the great work. Aplause, aplause!! Peter Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Music to watch fractals by. Date: 05 May 1998 02:44:09 -0500 Jim Muth wrote: > > It was named something like Koyanisqatsi, and featured > music by Glass. > "Koyaanisqatsi" (from the Hopi language) n. 1. crazy life. 2. life in turmoil. 3. life disintegrating. 4. life out of balance. 5. a state of life that calls for another way of living. The title song by Philip Glass was rather different from the other five pieces of original music composed for the film. It was rather somber and deep, like some diabolical monk's chant (that's why I enjoyed it so). It made a perfect soundtrack for an old silent movie I recorded once: NOSFERATU, EINE SYMPHONIE DES GRAUENS The other songs: Vessels; Cloudscape; Pruit Igoe; The Grid; and Prophecies would definitely work well with many fractal animations. P.N.L. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) Music to watch fractals by. Date: 05 May 1998 17:39:06 +1200 At 23:50 04/05/98 -0400, Jim Muth wrote: > >Fractalnauts: > >For a week or so, I've been trying to think of music that would >best augment a fractal animation. This evening, I finally >thought of it. It's so obvious that I don't see how it could >have been overlooked this long. > >The music is the opening to "Einstein on the Beach", an opera >by Philip Glass. > This is amusing, since science fiction author Greg Egan, (one of my favourite authors) in his novel _Permutation City_ (one of my favourite novels), has one of the characters put exactly this opera on to play in the background while running some very elaborate software (complete with nifty graphics!) Morgan. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) Wonderful pars!!! Date: 05 May 1998 06:52:57 -0400 Hi All, I am currently involved in a very interesting but very time consuming work that eats up all my free time and I can't keep up with the intense activity of this discussion list. I just take the time to generate the images at a very low resolution and most of them are still awaiting to be= generated at 1600x1200. The queue is getting longer and longer..... Anyway, thanks everybody for all of your wonderful pars!!! Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SKarl52884 Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:Tierazon re:'opinion' Date: 05 May 1998 07:22:58 EDT In a message dated 98-05-05 03:15:18 EDT, you write: << Steve wrote: >I messed with both for about 6 hours...cute....nice bells and whistles ...but >they made it obvious that fractint is the mother of all generators. Please let's not make this personal. I use both programs - Fractint and Tiera-Zon. They are quite different. The attributes of each makes it impossible to compare them to each other. I like apples and I like oranges. And both the Stone Soup Group and Stephen Ferguson are brilliant and generous to make these wonderful freeware programs freely available. Let's try not to compare them and decide which is "better" and which is "worse." >Have fun. That's the spirit! >> Sorry. I tought every one realized..."It only my opinion." Its your opinion that the differences in them make them uncomparable. Thats ok with me.{ I can agree to disagree} I realize thats how ' you ' see it but you might want to consider that all might not see it the same way. To attempt to limit points of view you don't agree with is you right also, but once again....in my opinion ...we choose to take it personally or not....that 'might' be a limitation also. Sincerely, Steve P.S. I have great admiration for the developers of fractint and tierazon. They 'both' have done the world of free expression a great service. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SKarl52884 Subject: (fractint)exploring Gallet-6-8 Date: 05 May 1998 09:06:36 EDT Hi there, Here are some Pars. Steve 005-Jester { ; (c)Steve Karl 4/19/98 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=gallet-6-08 function=recip/sin/zero passes=t center-mag=-0.46341/-0.381017/0.1274893/1/44.999 params=1/0/2/0/99/0 maxiter=1410065407 inside=99 potential=256/200/33 invert=2.61459764833333/0/0 colors=nru_UMYRKXQKWPJUMHSJF<6>EAb<6>7Nu5Px5Nu<5>A5c<2>D6WE7UG8SH9QJANKB\ LKBLOEK<5>_VZ`Y`b`cdcf<2>jlolorlpr<14>OI5<6>eYJg_LiaNkcPneR<4>zpa<4>jdWg\ aVcZT`WSYUR<6>AAK<3>ALQAOSARUBUWBXY<6>DqlDtnCql<6>7Ta<6>L4R<8>VHI<7>zH0<\ 8>SDF<3>N3JL0KL1KM2KN3KO4J<12>zz0<7>``9YYAXVB<6>KAJMAKOAM<12>ziF<13>K8C4\ 13000<15>svcsvcsvcsvc<9>aWN } 002-NoChess { ; (c)Steve Karl 4/20/98 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=gallet-6-08 function=sqr/flip/cosh passes=1 center-mag=-0.698436/-0.146233/0.08159334 params=11/0/10/0/1/0 maxiter=1410065407 inside=99 potential=256/200/99/16bit colors=0000Q0<11>020000000<14>000110330<29>zz0<30>220000000<29>000000200\ <29>zKU<30>211000000<14>000010030<29>0z0<17>0S0 } 003-Omelt { ; (c)Steve Karl 4/20/98 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=gallet-6-08 function=sqr/flip/cosh passes=1 center-mag=-0.698388/-0.146233/0.08159334 params=1/0/10/0/1/0 maxiter=1410065407 inside=99 potential=256/200/16959/16bit colors=0000Q0<11>020000000<14>000110330<29>zz0<30>220000000<29>000000200\ <29>zKU<30>211000000<14>000010030<29>0z0<17>0S0 } 004-KingMidas { ; (c)Steve Karl 4/22/98 "The Arm of King Midas" reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=gallet-6-08 function=abs/ident/atanh center-mag=6.01031/2.10444/0.08159334 params=11/0/10/0/1/0 maxiter=1410065407 inside=99 potential=256/200/99 colors=0000Q0<11>020000000<14>000110330<29>zz0<30>220000000<29>000000200\ <29>zKU<30>211000000<14>000010030<29>0z0<17>0S0 } 005-Space-Mice { ; (c) Steve Karl 4.29.98 "Space Mice in Bondage" reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=gallet-6-08 function=recip/sin/exp passes=1 center-mag=0/0.449291/0.04167969 params=11/1/6/1e+020/1e+020/0.008999999999999999 maxiter=2 inside=99 potential=256/157/16959 invert=32/0/0 colors=000nn0<2>zz0<15>000<15>0z0<15>000<15>z0z<14>40400K<15>zzz<14>44N0\ 00<15>WWW<14>000<15>z00<15>000<15>0zz<15>000<15>00z<15>000<10>ff0AAL } frm:Gallet-6-08 { ; Sylvie Gallet, 1996 z = pixel , x = real(z) , y = imag(z) : x1 = x - p1*fn1(y + fn2(p2*x) / fn3(p3*y)) y1 = y - p1*fn1(x + fn2(p2*y) / fn3(p3*x)) x = x1 , y = y1 z = x + flip(y) |z| <= 1024 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: (fractint) Need some help Date: 05 May 1998 07:47:38 -0700 For some wierd reason, I can't seem to run Fractint properly any more. I've tried re-loading the program. The problem is that dos doesn't seem to see the control key so I can't use any of the commands that need the control key like control+ to rotate an image. Any ideas or patch files would be greatly appreciated. Please send files as attachment to wizzle@cci-internet.com This problem with dos happens whether I shell to dos from windows or if I boot directly into dos. Thanks for any and all help Angela Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Valero Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:Tierazon { flariums lil bro' } Date: 05 May 1998 10:45:27 -0400 At 04:29 PM 04/05/98 EDT, Steve wrote: >In a message dated 98-05-04 16:12:54 EDT, you write: >I messed with both for about 6 hours...cute....nice bells and whistles ...but >they made it obvious that fractint is the mother of all generators. When I get a real winner out of Fractint, I have to agree. But then I work with Tierazon and get something that just ain't gonna happen with Fractint and I have to disagree. So what's my conclusion? - just be damned happy that the Stone Group / Ferguson brands of generosity give us so much to while away our times and imaginations. Regards - Jack visit our fractal gallery: http://www.globalserve.net/~jval/phractal.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry Bluestein Subject: Re: (fractint) Need some help Date: 05 May 1998 10:57:50 -0400 Angela Wilczynski wrote: > For some wierd reason, I can't seem to run Fractint properly any more. I've > tried re-loading the program. The problem is that dos doesn't seem to see the > control key so I can't use any of the commands that need the control key like > control+ to rotate an image. > > Any ideas or patch files would be greatly appreciated. Please send files as > attachment to > > wizzle@cci-internet.com > > This problem with dos happens whether I shell to dos from windows or if I boot > directly into dos. > > Thanks for any and all help > > Angela > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Angela, some questions are nescessary; 1- What Operating sytem are you using (Windows 95?)? 2- How are you booting into DOS? (There are at least 3 ways from Win95) 3- Does the Control key still work in all other DOS programs? All other Windows programs? 4- What new software did you install lately? -- Barry Bluestein - President The Lapis Group - Internet Consultants 11629 Deborah DR, Suite 1000 Potomac, MD 20854 301-299-0083 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: Re: (fractint) bailout project Date: 05 May 1998 09:06:35 -0700 (MST) >A few days ago I started out trying to put >an elliptical bailout on some of the formulas like gravijul >and SpiderM. I actually have been a little disappointed >in the results- the original formulas had a lot of versatility >and all the results of this have the same pleasant but relentlessly >similar symmetry. Maybe someone can come up with >something interesting or better yet change the formula. [snippage] Not claiming to do either; just a question: >spider_ellipse{;bailout variation by kathy roth > ; by Jean-Pierre Louvet > ; shortcut by Bud > z=pixel, f=pixel, g =f+p2, a=real(p3), b=imag(p3): > f=f/p1+z, > z=fn1(z^g)+fn2(f), > real(z) * real(z)/ a + imag(z) * imag(z)/b < 1 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ How does order of operations handle this? I would have coded it more like (real(z)*real(z)/a + imag(z)*imag(z)/b) < 1 to make sure that the "elliptical" quantity is fully computed before being compared to 1. Does this still happen as written, or is the compare done on some incomplete combination of factors and terms? I have experimented with elliptical bailouts before, and found neat results when either combining (image processing) images of the same fractal with different bailouts, or making animations from one bailout condition (say, a=1, b=10) to another (a=10, b=1). It may not make much computation difference, but what I did was something along the lines of: zc = sqr(zc) + c, ; or your favorite iteration algorithm z = aa*real(zc) + bb*imag(zc) ; since multiplies are faster than divides ; aa is similar to 1/a above ; bb would be like (0, 1/b) |z| < 4 ; evaluates to ; sqr(aa*real(zc))+sqr(bb*imag(zc)) Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry Bluestein Subject: Re: (fractint) Need some help Date: 05 May 1998 12:19:04 -0400 BTW, Question #4 is probably the most important! ;) -- Barry Bluestein - President The Lapis Group - Internet Consultants 11629 Deborah DR, Suite 1000 Potomac, MD 20854 301-299-0083 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu Subject: Re: (fractint) Music to watch fractals by. Date: 05 May 1998 11:51:37 -0600 (CST) On Tue, 5 May 1998, Jim Muth wrote: > > BTW, on my one-to-ten scale, Glass would rate a three, > Schoenberg a two, and Stravinsky a five. > Then what's a one? Justin K. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: Re: (fractint) parser question (bailout project) Date: 05 May 1998 10:10:27 -0700 At 09:06 AM 5/5/98 -0700, Kerry wrote: >(Kathy wrote:) >>A few days ago I started out trying to put >>an elliptical bailout... > >... > >Not claiming to do either; just a question: > >... > >> real(z) * real(z)/ a + imag(z) * imag(z)/b < 1 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >How does order of operations handle this? I would have coded it more like > >(real(z)*real(z)/a + imag(z)*imag(z)/b) < 1 > >to make sure that the "elliptical" quantity is fully computed before being >compared to 1. Does this still happen as written, or is the compare done >on some incomplete combination of factors and terms? By the book, it should be okay. Multiplication and division are precedence level 3, addition and subtraction are level 4. However, now *I* have a question. 19.6 documentation says negation is level 2; how can this be, if subtraction, which uses the same operator/symbol is level 4? (English majors, forgive me. I know it's bad style not to spell out small numbers, but I thought it was more readable.) BTW, if anyone hasn't tried the suggestion (Tim's, I believe) of extracting the documentation from the executable, I can not recommend it highly enough. It *is* big (533K), but searching for information (most editors have pattern search capabilities) is *so* much easier! I wish I had done it two years ago (my first exposure to Fractint). Bud Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: Re: (fractint) parser question (bailout project) Date: 05 May 1998 10:25:56 -0700 At 10:10 AM 5/5/98 -0700, I wrote: >At 09:06 AM 5/5/98 -0700, Kerry wrote: >... >>> real(z) * real(z)/ a + imag(z) * imag(z)/b < 1 >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >>How does order of operations handle this? I would have coded it more like >> >>(real(z)*real(z)/a + imag(z)*imag(z)/b) < 1 >> >>to make sure that the "elliptical" quantity is fully computed before being >>compared to 1. Does this still happen as written, or is the compare done >>on some incomplete combination of factors and terms? > >By the book, it should be okay. Multiplication and division >are precedence level 3, addition and subtraction are level 4. Sorry Kerry, I misread your parens, and thus didn't answer the question you actually asked. Comparisons are level 6, so Kathy's version is okay as written. Bud Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SKarl52884 Subject: (fractint) EX2 Gallet-6-8 Date: 05 May 1998 15:13:06 EDT Greetings, Here are a few more views of a wonderful formula. I hope you enjoy them. Steve ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 001-Inharmonic { ; (c)SK 5/5/98 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=gallet-6-08 function=sqr/cabs/sqr passes=1 center-mag=-1.24345e-014/0.0214144/0.2386836 params=2/1/38/52/0.001599999999999999/1.331111111111111 maxiter=99999999 inside=99 potential=256/149/26969 invert=0.07/0/0 colors=000nn0<2>zz0<15>000<15>0z0<15>000<15>z0z<14>40400K<15>zzz<14>44N0\ 00<15>WWW<14>000<15>z00<15>000<15>0zz<15>000<15>00z<15>000<10>ff0AAL } 002-ParrotTotem { ; (c)SK 5/5/98 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=gallet-6-08 function=sqr/cabs/sqr passes=1 center-mag=-1.28786e-014/0.0214144/1.399411 params=2/1/38/52/0.001599999999999999/1.331111111111111 maxiter=99999999 inside=99 potential=256/149/26969 invert=0.0007/0/0 colors=000nn0<2>zz0<15>000<15>0z0<15>000<15>z0z<14>40400K<15>zzz<14>44N0\ 00<15>WWW<14>000<15>z00<15>000<15>0zz<15>000<15>00z<15>000<10>ff0AAL } 003-EagleTotem { ; (c)SK 5/5/98 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=gallet-6-08 function=sqr/sqr/cotanh passes=1 center-mag=0/0/0.04424456/1.4 params=3/1/32/4/15/2 maxiter=99999999 inside=99 potential=256/149/26969 invert=4/0/0 colors=000nn0<2>zz0<15>000<15>0z0<15>000<15>z0z<14>40400K<15>zzz<14>44N0\ 00<15>WWW<14>000<15>z00<15>000<15>0zz<15>000<15>00z<15>000<10>ff0AAL } 004-RavenTotem { ; (c)SK 5/5/98 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=gallet-6-08 function=sqr/sqr/cotanh passes=1 center-mag=-7.10543e-015/7.10543e-015/0.05469613 params=4/2/32/1.58/15/0.25 maxiter=99999999 inside=99 potential=256/149/26969 invert=3/0/0 colors=000nn0<2>zz0<15>000<15>0z0<15>000<15>z0z<14>40400K<15>zzz<14>44N0\ 00<15>WWW<14>000<15>z00<15>000<15>0zz<15>000<15>00z<15>000<10>ff0AAL } 039-Clover-Icon { ; (c) Steve Karl 4/30/98 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=list1.frm formulaname=gallet-6-08 function=sqr/sqr/cotanh passes=1 center-mag=0/-0.111051/0.04167969 params=1.5/1.5/146/3/4/6 maxiter=99999999 inside=99 potential=256/149/26969 invert=-8/0/0 colors=000nn0<2>zz0<15>000<15>0z0<15>000<15>z0z<14>40400K<15>zzz<14>44N0\ 00<15>WWW<14>000<15>z00<15>000<15>0zz<15>000<15>00z<15>000<10>ff0AAL } 005-DelicateIcon { ; (c)SK 5/5/98 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=gallet-6-08 function=sqr/sqr/cotanh passes=1 center-mag=0/0/0.04167969 params=4/3/666/1.58/0.1/12 maxiter=99999999 inside=99 potential=256/149/26969 invert=7.9975/0/0 colors=000nn0<2>zz0<15>000<15>0z0<15>000<15>z0z<14>40400K<15>zzz<14>44N0\ 00<15>WWW<4>LLL0JJHHH<7>000<15>z00<15>000<15>0zz<15>000<15>00z<15>000<10\ >ff0AAL } 006-DelicateFan { ; (c)SK 5/5/98 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=gallet-6-08 function=sqr/exp/sqr passes=1 center-mag=-1.24345e-014/0.0214144/0.2386836 params=4/4/0.3/6/0.6/1.1111111111111e+019 maxiter=99999999 inside=99 potential=256/149/26969 invert=0.1/0/0 colors=000nn0<2>zz0<15>000<15>0z0<15>000<15>z0z<14>40400K<15>zzz<14>44N0\ 00<15>WWW<14>000<15>z00<15>000<15>0zz<15>000<15>00z<15>000<10>ff0AAL } frm:Gallet-6-08 { ; Sylvie Gallet, 1996 z = pixel , x = real(z) , y = imag(z) : x1 = x - p1*fn1(y + fn2(p2*x) / fn3(p3*y)) y1 = y - p1*fn1(x + fn2(p2*y) / fn3(p3*x)) x = x1 , y = y1 z = x + flip(y) |z| <= 1024 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Jakubowicz Subject: (fractint) music for fractals Date: 05 May 1998 16:55:08 -0400 If you want music that has has fractal properties, as opposed to music that's just kind of cool to watch fractals by, Schoenberg is your man. At least I can't think of any other music that is composed by a largely deterministic process (and is not improvised) yet results in such a combination of breathtaking chaos _and_ lyrical passages. And is self-similar almost by definition. Not sure why Id didn't use Pierrot Lunaire for Quake instead of bloody Nine Inch Nails. Fractals seen at http://home.earthlink.net/~pfjakub http://members.xoom.com/pfjakub Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: Re: (fractint) Need some help Date: 05 May 1998 16:47:17 -0500 Angela Wilczynski wrote: > > For some wierd reason, I can't seem to run Fractint properly any more. I've > tried re-loading the program. The problem is that dos doesn't seem to see the > control key so I can't use any of the commands that need the control key like > control+ to rotate an image. > Sometimes it helps to turn over the keyboard and shake out all the loose dust, dirt and cookie crumbs. Bob "No Dirty Fractals" Margolis Now for a word from our sponsor: Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: Re: (fractint) Music to watch fractals by. Date: 05 May 1998 16:50:37 -0500 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu wrote: > > On Tue, 5 May 1998, Jim Muth wrote: > > > > > BTW, on my one-to-ten scale, Glass would rate a three, > > Schoenberg a two, and Stravinsky a five. > > > Then what's a one? > Any of the stuff I wrote in my college music composition courses. B. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: Re: (fractint) music for fractals Date: 05 May 1998 18:05:37 -0400 Peter Jakubowicz wrote: > If you want music that has has fractal properties, as opposed to music > that's just kind of cool to watch fractals by, Schoenberg is your man. At > least I can't think of any other music that is composed by a largely > deterministic process (and is not improvised) yet results in such a > combination of breathtaking chaos _and_ lyrical passages. And is > self-similar almost by definition. Yes, quite right. Much the same is true of Alban Berg (probably more "accessible" than Schoenberg), and, without lyrical passages but with lots of breathtaking chaos, of Anton von Webern too. I also like the suggestion of Glass, who has been mentioned by others. Add John Adams, another minimalist; especially Harmonium, with its rich chorus. Color cycle a spiral while listening to it. (Incidentally, it was La Sacre du printemps by Stravinsky which elicited riotous behavior by the audience, not Firebird.) Gedeon Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: Re: (fractint) music for fractals Date: 05 May 1998 17:20:39 -0500 Gedeon Peteri wrote: > Add John Adams, another minimalist; > especially Harmonium, with its rich chorus. Color cycle a spiral while > listening to it. (Incidentally, it was La Sacre du printemps by Stravinsky > which elicited riotous behavior by the audience, not Firebird.) > How about Bartok's Music for Stringed Instruments, Percussion and Celesta? Holst's The Planets? Ligeti? Lutoslawski? Penderecki? Britten? B. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: Re: (fractint) music for fractals Date: 05 May 1998 17:21:25 -0500 Oh, yes...And Edgard Varese. B. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Re: Tierazon Date: 05 May 1998 17:32:04 -0500 I enjoy using about a half-dozen different Fractal programs. All have some interesting features the others don't. I mostly use Fractint however because of the ease in writing formulas for it and in working with color maps, coming up with color schemes that would be hard to do with the others. But since this is a list server devoted to the ins and outs of Fractint I, myself, don't plan to get into a discussion here on the merits of the other programs. That could be done on the fractal art list server. B. Now for a word from our sponsor: Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: (fractint) ufo Date: 05 May 1998 19:38:51 -0400 Last night..hmmmm, don't really feel like spinning up a tale, so, the following par resembles something one might have read about: UFO { ; frm: Petals_Julia by Paul Carlson ; Colormap: dsgoldsilver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=Petals_Julia passes=t center-mag=0/0/0.6666667 params=0.01/0/0.5/0/63/256 float=y maxiter=2048 inside=zmag outside=summ colors=000<10>000000111222<36>zzw<42>111A20<10>yhW<22>A20111<32>zzw<22>1\ 11MC7<6>yhW<14>A20000<44>000 cyclerange=1/250 } davides@pipeline.com Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Tierazon Date: 05 May 1998 20:05:23 -0600 It's fine with me if people want to discuss other programs. I didn't know anything about Tierazon, and was glad to read about it. I'm glad there are other freeware programs out there distributed with source! Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: (fractint) My favorite alien, and other pars Date: 05 May 1998 20:10:26 -0500 (CDT) comment { This formula uses my 3D Stalks rendering on an equation from the book, _Spiral Symmetry_, p. 129, edited by I. Hargittai and C. Pickover. The images produced by the pars "alien" and "julia01" I originally did about three years ago - the others are new (and kind of different - I'm not too sure what I think of them - comments (pro and con) are welcome). Paul Carlson } frm:Spir_Stalks_Jul {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 ; ; p1 = Julia set coordinates ; real(p2) = a factor controlling the size of the stalks ; imag(p2) = iterations to skip ; real(p3) = number of color ranges ; imag(p3) = number of colors in a range ; w = pixel c = p1 z = bailout = iter = range_num = 0 stalk_width = real(p2) skip_iters = imag(p2) num_ranges = real(p3) colors_in_range = imag(p3) index_factor = (colors_in_range - 1) / stalk_width : w = w * w - c, wr = real(w), awr = abs(wr) w = w - wr + awr ; IF (abs(real(w)) <= abs(imag(w))) dist = abs(real(w)) ELSE dist = abs(imag(w)) ENDIF IF (dist < stalk_width && iter > skip_iters) z = index_factor * dist + range_num * colors_in_range + 1 bailout = 1 ENDIF range_num = range_num + 1 IF (range_num == num_ranges) range_num = 0 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter bailout == 0 && |w| < 4 } alien { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=spirsymm.frm formulaname=Spir_Stalks_Jul passes=1 corners=-0.62194238/-0.10395143/0.401804689/0.327805981/-0.39\ 994626/0.10580986 params=0/0.3/0.01/0/2/100 float=y maxiter=100 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000zVz<123>G0GVzz<123>0GG000000L00000000 } julia01 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=spirsymm.frm formulaname=spir_stalks_jul passes=1 corners=-1.784/1.784/-1.338/1.338 params=-0.184375/0.45/0.06/1/2/125 float=y maxiter=251 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000zz0<123>aG0n_z<123>I0K000<3>000 } spiral_weave { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=spirsymm.frm formulaname=spir_stalks_jul passes=1 corners=-0.429044904/-0.325674698/0.384097196/0.345180895/-0.\ 373151805/0.309573065 params=-0.36812529/0.08941615999999999/0.06/0/8/30 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000GGz<28>00OfOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40z\ z0<28>aG00zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CC000<13>000 } spiralvalley { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=spirsymm.frm formulaname=spir_stalks_jul passes=1 corners=-0.592215277/-0.388767392/0.816234109/0.739641063/-0.\ 482209376/0.669559576 params=-0.36665/0.11573/0.06/0/8/30 float=y maxiter=251 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000GGz<28>00OfOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40z\ z0<28>aG00zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CC000<13>000 cyclerange=1/240 } v_abstract { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=spirsymm.frm formulaname=spir_stalks_jul passes=1 corners=-0.8624517/1.381342/0.1983121/1.881157 params=-1/1/0.3/0/2/125 float=y maxiter=251 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000zz0<123>aG0n_z<123>I0K000<3>000 } whatever { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=spirsymm.frm formulaname=spir_stalks_jul passes=1 corners=-0.66651717/0.26219005/0.78551078/0.38880675/-0.14176\ 464/0.08584074 params=-0.4/0.33/0.06/20/8/30 float=y maxiter=251 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00\ zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<13>000 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Tierazon Date: 05 May 1998 18:56:03 -0700 I can't think of anything better than a meld of Tierazon and Fractint. Both have wonderful features. As a programmer, Tim, I think you ought to check out the Tierazon/Flarium site because it's obvious that Steve has really done some excellent work in the area of bringing out programs that take advantage of the 16mil color environment. Still to go....IMHO....is the precise control I have when I use Fractint. Tough problem as far as I can tell and one definely worth everyone's while. I sorta keep posting my set of "ideals" (in my notion of importance) 1. Color control a la fractint 2. Proportioning and skewing 3. Multi-tasking 4. Some degree of color smoothing as offered by truecolor Both Fractint and the Flarium/Tierazon family offer an excellent range of formulas and coloring methodologies....i.e. stalks, bubbles, ribbons, etc. My bottom line is a good image....one that makes you sit back from the screen and say......ooooooooooooo....... And since I've got excellent programs (free even!!!) already....I can only look forward Angela Tim Wegner wrote: > > It's fine with me if people want to discuss other programs. I didn't > know anything about Tierazon, and was glad to read about it. I'm glad > there are other freeware programs out there distributed with source! > > Tim > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Tierazon Date: 05 May 1998 22:20:54 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 5 May 1998, Tim Wegner wrote: > I'm glad there are other freeware programs out there distributed with source! Yeah, hundreds of them. The Internet is mostly composed of them, in fact. Few are as excellent as Fractint, though. They've been in the news a lot in the last month. See http://www.opensource.org/ or http://freshmeat.net/ for more info. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Tierazon Date: 05 May 1998 22:18:23 -0600 > Yeah, hundreds of them. The Internet is mostly composed of them, in > fact. Few are as excellent as Fractint, though. On Unix or Linux maybe. On the PC platform source is often not available for fractal programs, and these days freeware is the exception, not the rule. Lately there have been some new fractal programs that are not freeware. Tierazon is an exception. > They've been in the news a lot in the last month. Last month ehh, I'm impressed! :-) I'm not sure when Bert Tyler first posted Fra386 1.0 with source, but probably about a decade ago. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Les St Clair" Subject: Re: (fractint) April Par Collection Date: 06 May 1998 05:10:28 +0100 Hi Bob, Earl, Peter.... >>You did a GREAT job with the April Par Collection. << Thanks for all your kind words, hoots and handclaps! You've convinced me that it's been a worthwhile effort Cheers! Now, here's a quickie using Kathy Roth's recently posted gravijul variant... lesb2_01 { ; using Kathy Roth's "bail2" formula t= 0:00:42.19 ; t=calc time [h:mm:ss.] using a PII-266 at 1600x1200 ; (c) 1998 by Les St Clair [Par date: May 05, 1998] ; e-mail to: les_stclair@compuserve.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=bail2 function=flip/exp/log passes=t center-mag=-0.0269643/-0.00813206/0.9082583 params=1/0/0/0/1000/2 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=maxiter outside=summ invert=1/0/0 decomp=256 colors=000O2IO2J<14>w12z00z20<23>zz0<21>z30z00x01<13>R1HO2JN2I<13>212000\ 000<28>N1HO2IN2K<13>21w00z03z<14>0zz<30>02z00z00y<30>O2I<4>C189166143120\ 00<5>A07C19D19<12>N1H } - Les Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) file limit Date: 06 May 1998 02:39:45 -0400 Damien M. Jones wrote: > For security reasons, I can't make a simple upload directory where > everybody can store and download files. Most FTP sites have an incoming directory; you can upload there but not download. the admin checks anything infectable (Word docs, exes) or that could be a Trojan (exes, batch files, shell scripts) before moving them to the pub dir, but moves anything that is guaranteed harmless (frm, par, map) instantly when updating every day or three. Can't you do this? -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://www3.sympatico.ca/bob.beland/indexn2f.html _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Tierazon Date: 06 May 1998 17:21:39 +1200 At 18:56 05/05/98 -0700, Angela wrote: > >Both Fractint and the Flarium/Tierazon family offer an excellent range of >formulas and coloring methodologies....i.e. stalks, bubbles, ribbons, etc. > I also like the Flarium/Tierazon's range of colouring methods; I did consider writing formulas illustrating them in Fractint to see how they'd go there (24bit colour notwithstanding), but found myself baffled by the documentation. It's not the mathematical notation that's scaring me off, but I'd like a bit of coherency and background explanation. Heigho, I'll download the source and see if I can piece anything together from that... Morgan Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Tierazon Date: 06 May 1998 08:06:19 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 5 May 1998, Tim Wegner wrote: > > Yeah, hundreds of them. The Internet is mostly composed of them, in > > fact. Few are as excellent as Fractint, though. > > On Unix or Linux maybe. On the PC platform source is often not > available for fractal programs, and these days freeware is the > exception, not the rule. Lately there have been some new fractal > programs that are not freeware. Tierazon is an exception. Yes, most open-source programs have been written for Unix. I'm interested to hear that `freeware is the exception, not the rule'. While open-source freeware was pretty rare when I was a DOS guy (1985-1991 or so), freeware was ubiquitous. > > They've been in the news a lot in the last month. > > Last month ehh, I'm impressed! :-) I'm not sure when Bert Tyler > first posted Fra386 1.0 with source, but probably about a decade > ago. You are correct. Most of the open-source programs that have been mentioned in the news so much in the last month are older than that. It's just that the news media have picked up on the idea in the last month because of Netscape and Linux. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) file limit Date: 06 May 1998 11:51:56 -0500 Paul, Apparently you missed the "ask me privately" portion of my message. Since you asked publicly, I'll answer you publicly. (Next time, read the message before offering a knee-jerk response, OK?) - Most FTP sites have an incoming directory; you can upload there but not - download. ... Can't you do this? I specifically stated that I would not create a place where people could both upload and download files. Such a free-for-all file exchange is begging for abuse--not so much from the crowd on this list, but from others who may discover its location. Thus uploading and downloading to the same directory is not something I'm going to set up. You are correct that most FTP sites have an incoming directory. However, that means I have to check the directory for incoming files, which is not something I normally do. There is no prompting that something new is in the incoming directory. On the other hand, if people e-mail me their files, I'll know right away, because e-mail is something I do regularly check. Moving a file from my e-mail to the ftp site is just as much work as moving it from an incoming directory, so I might as well set things up in the most convenient way possible for me. Add to that that it's easier for most people to learn how to attach a file to e-mail than to figure out an FTP program, and that downloading from an FTP site is as easy as clicking on the published URL for the file, and I hardly think this solution is inelegant. Now, if you have FURTHER questions about this policy, ASK ME PRIVATELY. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry Bluestein Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Tierazon Date: 06 May 1998 13:45:20 -0400 I don't write a blessed bit of code, and don't ever care to! ;) I DO however care a very great deal about UI design and software ergonomics. I could comment at length about Tierazon/Flarium's UI. In short though, despite both being GUIs', neither yet comes near to Fractint's (DOS) ease or speed of use. TDB. I'm getting ready at long last to dual boot my NT 4 box at home with DOS just so that I can run FRACTINT! I've just got to be able to play with all of these lovely sounding PARs. -- Barry Bluestein - President The Lapis Group - Internet Consultants 11629 Deborah DR, Suite 1000 Potomac, MD 20854 301-299-0083 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: Re: (fractint) My favorite alien, and other pars Date: 06 May 1998 19:13:58 -0500 (CDT) comment { In my original posting of this formula yesterday I inadvertently left out one of the pars that creates an image that I like - it looks as though the image has a lot of depth to it. So here it is, along with the formula again. Paul Carlson } frm:Spir_Stalks_Jul {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 ; ; p1 = Julia set coordinates ; real(p2) = a factor controlling the size of the stalks ; imag(p2) = iterations to skip ; real(p3) = number of color ranges ; imag(p3) = number of colors in a range ; w = pixel c = p1 z = bailout = iter = range_num = 0 stalk_width = real(p2) skip_iters = imag(p2) num_ranges = real(p3) colors_in_range = imag(p3) index_factor = (colors_in_range - 1) / stalk_width : w = w * w - c, wr = real(w), awr = abs(wr) w = w - wr + awr ; IF (abs(real(w)) <= abs(imag(w))) dist = abs(real(w)) ELSE dist = abs(imag(w)) ENDIF IF (dist < stalk_width && iter > skip_iters) z = index_factor * dist + range_num * colors_in_range + 1 bailout = 1 ENDIF range_num = range_num + 1 IF (range_num == num_ranges) range_num = 0 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter bailout == 0 && |w| < 4 } perspective { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=spirsymm.frm formulaname=spir_stalks_jul passes=1 corners=-0.287484228/-0.244406294/0.599553005/0.576522437/-0.\ 2609215/0.564136034 params=-0.2754/0.4407/0.03/0/2/125 float=y maxiter=251 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000zz0<123>aG0n_z<123>I0K000<3>000 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BRD1950 Subject: Re: (fractint) A JPL Formula Date: 06 May 1998 21:19:18 EDT I did a fractal search and came with the fractal information, forget where and simply accessed it I think. I'm just starting to delve into fractalizing even though I am somewhat familiar with it already, the concept that is. Thanks for the email. I need to download a fractal generator and tryout some formulas. See you on the next mailing. Bob Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: (fractint) Tangent Ball Formula Date: 06 May 1998 21:07:34 -0500 (CDT) comment { This formula applies my Tangent Ball rendering method to Newton's solution of (w*w-1)*(w*w+c)=0. This method is similar to my Flex Ball method except this method keeps the balls in a "string" tangent to each other instead of connected to each other over some distance along the edges. Paul Carlson } frm:TBalls_Newt1_Mset {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 ; real(p1) = ball size factor ; imag(p1) = iterations to skip ; real(p2) = convergence test distance ; z = iter = 0 c = pixel cm1 = c - 1 tcm1 = cm1 + cm1 w = sqrt((1 - c) / 6) sc = sqrt(-c) ro = 2.613125929753 * p1 ros = 1.847759065023 * p1 r2 = p1 * p1 dr0 = -flip(ro) dr1 = -ros - flip(ros) dr2 = -ro dr3 = -ros + flip(ros) dr4 = -dr0 dr5 = -dr1 dr6 = -dr2 dr7 = -dr3 index_factor = 29 / p1 bailout = 1 : w2 = w * w w = w - (w2 * w2 + cm1 * w2 - c) / (4 * w2 * w + tcm1 * w) ; IF (|w + dr0| < r2) dist = |w + dr0| range_num = 0 ELSEIF (|w + dr1| < r2) dist = |w + dr1| range_num = 1 ELSEIF (|w + dr2| < r2) dist = |w + dr2| range_num = 2 ELSEIF (|w + dr3| < r2) dist = |w + dr3| range_num = 3 ELSEIF (|w + dr4| < r2) dist = |w + dr4| range_num = 4 ELSEIF (|w + dr5| < r2) dist = |w + dr5| range_num = 5 ELSEIF (|w + dr6| < r2) dist = |w + dr6| range_num = 6 ELSEIF (|w + dr7| < r2) dist = |w + dr7| range_num = 7 ELSEIF (|w + (-1,0)| < p2) bailout = 1 z = 252 ELSEIF (|w + (1,0)| < p2) bailout = 1 z = 252 ELSEIF (|w + sc| < p2) bailout = 1 z = 252 ELSEIF (|w - sc| < p2) bailout = 1 z = 252 ELSE bailout = 0 dist = 0 ENDIF IF (dist > 0 && iter > imag(p1)) bailout = 1 z = index_factor * sqrt(dist) + range_num * 30 + 1 ENDIF range_num = range_num + 1 IF (range_num == 8) range_num = 0 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter bailout == 0 && |w| < 1.0e20 } tbnwt1m1 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=tbnewt1m.frm formulaname=tballs_newt1_mset passes=t center-mag=+0.99920275327934840/+0.03992298476492151/19758.38\ /1/-2.499 params=0.2/0/1e-005/0 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000z0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00zR<28>0C40\ zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00OfOz<28>I0K000<10>000zzz000000 } tbnwt1m2 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=tbnewt1m.frm formulaname=tballs_newt1_mset passes=1 corners=0.00074954182739346488/0.00074954192447543517/2.75054\ 36406112959e-007/2.7512717553887042e-007 params=0.1/0/0.0001/0 float=y maxiter=5000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=0000zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00OfOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00z\ W0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00zR<28>0C4000<10>000zz0000000 } tbnwt1m3 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=tbnewt1m.frm formulaname=tballs_newt1_mset passes=t center-mag=+0.00074954187587805/+0.00000027509074838/1.125746\ e+011/1/-37.5 params=0.1/0/1e-005/0 float=y maxiter=5000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCG\ Gz<28>00OfOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08000<10>000zz0000000 } tbnwt1m4 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=tbnewt1m.frm formulaname=tballs_newt1_mset passes=t center-mag=1046.85/-4.16334e-017/32.57765/1/90 params=0.2/0/1e-005/0 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00\ zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<9>0000OO000000000 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: (fractint) FOTN91 is missing! Date: 06 May 1998 22:54:08 -0400 FOTN91 is missing! -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://www3.sympatico.ca/bob.beland/indexn2f.html _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTN91 is missing! Date: 06 May 1998 22:24:31 -0500 Paul Derbyshire wrote: > > FOTN91 is missing! > I don't believe Jay has issued the one for May 06th yet. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTN91 is missing! Date: 06 May 1998 20:43:18 -0700 I had no problems seeing FOTN91. But isn't this issue better resolved by addressing the comment to Jay rather than the list? Angela Paul N. Lee wrote: > > Paul Derbyshire wrote: > > > > FOTN91 is missing! > > > > I don't believe Jay has issued the one for May 06th yet. > > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: (fractint) FOTN91 is there. Date: 07 May 1998 02:37:46 -0400 Guess it wasn't forgotten, just a little late. :-) -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://www3.sympatico.ca/bob.beland/indexn2f.html _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jiho Kim Subject: (fractint) Fractal Dimensions Date: 07 May 1998 01:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Can someone tell me how would would calculate the fractal dimension of a fractal? I've looked through some books and their explanations are vague at best... This probably wouldn't be of general interest so can someone with enough experise in math-side of fractals email me an better explanation than I've found thus far... Much much obliged, Jiho Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Pearson Subject: RE: (fractint) Hi / Last version of Fractint Date: 07 May 1998 13:37:56 +0200 Luis, I'm also new here ... actually I've been lurking for about a month and this list is annoying me intensely ... I just don't have time to keep up! Still 92 unread posts and over 70 pars saved but not yet run. You have to get the latest version from spanky.triumf.ca, but it may be very slow as you're outside the US - sorry, North America. You can get frain195.zip from Simtel.net - ftp://ftp.ip.pt/pub/simtelnet/ - I don't see a WWW mirror in Portugal but try http://ftp.globalnet.co.uk/simtel.net/ which will allow you to use the search engine. Sorry, I don't know the exact ftp path. Who submits fractint to Simtel? If somebody could get 19.6 there it would be a great help to the ROTW. Hi to everyone else too. Joe >---------- >Hi Luis.....welcome to this list > >The latest version of Fractint is available at > >http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/getting.html > >I got it with my browser.....(Netscape). Click on the large brown letters >which >say "Get Fractint" and the file will download. The file name is > >frain196.zip > >Hope that helps and happy fractaling > >Angela aka wizzle > >Luis Ricardo Costa wrote: >> >> Hi... >> First, since I'm new at the list, I would like to introduce myself. My name >> is Luis Ricardo Costa and I'm from Portugal... >> >> I would like to know which is the latest version of Fractint, and how can I >> get it... <> >> >> Or, if you know an FTP which has the lastest version, please indicate me >> the complete URL to the file... Just to make sure that I don't get the >> oldest version! >> >> Thanks for any help, >> >> Luis Ricardo Costa >> Odivelas => Portugal >> luisrmcosta@gyral.com *** ICQ UIN: 4111347 > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Valero Subject: (fractint) To: Paul N. Lee Re: Site Date: 07 May 1998 08:02:13 -0400 Tried sending this to you personally via your site but mail bounced back "host not found". Hi Paul, I enjoyed visiting your Earth & Sky series, particularly #s 45,47,57 & 63. I came in on your front page but noticed your smoke-free zone. As I was enjoying my pipe I hesitated to enter but figured, what the hell, I probably wouldn't get caught... Thanks. Regards - Jack visit our fractal gallery: http://www.globalserve.net/~jval/phractal.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Pearson Subject: RE: (fractint) Fractal Dimensions Date: 07 May 1998 15:24:48 +0200 Jiho, look at http://home.earthlink.net/~mrob/muency/boxcountingdimension.html And the person who recently asked about Hausdorff dimension (I deleted the post) may want to look at the link on that page that defines it. I find this site "Mu-Encyclopedia" very interesting from a mathematical point of view. Follow a few definitions and you'll soon see if you share this interest. It's about as different from most fractal sites as you can get ... focuses exclusively on the M set with a few references to Julias, and presents images in ASCII-art, but so what! I would really like to know if such topics *are* general interest on this list. Joe >---------- >Can someone tell me how would would calculate the fractal dimension of a >fractal? I've looked through some books and their explanations are vague >at best... This probably wouldn't be of general interest so can someone >with enough experise in math-side of fractals email me an better >explanation than I've found thus far... > >Much much obliged, > >Jiho > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Hi / Last version of Fractint Date: 07 May 1998 07:23:07 -0700 Welcome on board Joe!!! I know what you mean about slow download times....and especially to and from your area. I've tried downloading stuff from oz a few times and it can get really frustrating. However, here's one general hint for those outside the US who need to download from servers located here......try timing your downloads for Saturday or Sunday mornings, no later than 11 AM Pacific Daylight Time (2PM Eastern Daylight time; 7 PM British Summer Time). I've never had a problem with the web (to any server, worldwide) if I keep to that time. Earlier is better. If you can't keep up with the pars and formulas being posted, you can download those from previous months at Les St. Clair's site. Definetly the lazy person's way to fractal!!! http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/ But not all the pars will run with Fractint 19.5, so get the later version. Hope you have lots of fun here... Angela Joe Pearson wrote: > > Luis, I'm also new here ... actually I've been lurking for about a month > and this list is annoying me intensely ... I just don't have time to > keep up! Still 92 unread posts and over 70 pars saved but not yet run. > <> > > Who submits fractint to Simtel? If somebody could get 19.6 there it > would be a great help to the ROTW. > > Hi to everyone else too. > Joe Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Pearson Subject: RE: (fractint) Hi / Last version of Fractint Date: 07 May 1998 16:33:18 +0200 >Welcome on board Joe!!! Now I have my own personal welcome from Angela I feel good! >If you can't keep up with the pars and formulas being posted, you can >download >those from previous months at Les St. Clair's site. Definetly the lazy >person's >way to fractal!!! Been there, very useful. The problem I have is not the download time ... because in fact I don't have email at home, I get the mail at work and take my laptop home. I just don't have enough time to run them! This may be something to do with being limited to a 486-DX4 75MHx, >640x480 resolution, and roughly no free disk space ... > >But not all the pars will run with Fractint 19.5, so get the later version. And the ability to find frms in the par file is a great time-saver too. >Hope you have lots of fun here... Thanks! Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SKarl52884 Subject: Re: (fractint) Hi / Last version of Fractint Date: 07 May 1998 10:57:29 EDT Luis...welcome! If you have troubble getting 19.6 because of your location let me know { write me off the list} and I'll send it to you as an attachment. Sincerely, Steve Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Janet Preslar Subject: (fractint) Partobat problems Date: 07 May 1998 13:47:03 -0500 Hi All! I am trying to use partobat.exe for the first time on my new Pentium II and get this error message: Runtime error 200 at 0488:0091 I wrote and asked Michael Peters (the program's author) what I was doing wrong. He replied: >nothing. Some people seem to get this message, most others don't. I have no >idea why this happens, but it seems to be some incompatibility of the Pascal >DOS kernel code with your machine, in a way that I don't understand. Do you >have a Pentium II? The other people who got this error had a Pentium II. Which >Win95 version do you have - is it Win95A or B? Maybe there's a problem with the >file system ... Since he doesn't have an idea where the problem lies, he suggested that I ask list members if they have encountered this and if anyone has a workaround or suggestion to offer. Does anyone have a clue? Janet Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat problems Date: 07 May 1998 15:11:39 -0400 When I tried Partobat, only opened it to check it out and closed it immediately, the next time I ran Fractint a few minutes later it crashed my computer as it had never done before. I lost all control and had to cut power and reboot. The error message I got was: fatal error caused by WINOLDAP. Never heard of such a thing. I did not try again. I have the latest version of Win95, but only a Pentium 166MMX, not Pentium II. I use a Matrox Millenium II 8 MB video card. Janet Preslar wrote: > Hi All! > > I am trying to use partobat.exe for the first time on my new Pentium II and get > this error message: > > Runtime error 200 at 0488:0091 > > I wrote and asked Michael Peters (the program's author) what I was doing wrong. > He replied: > > >nothing. Some people seem to get this message, most others don't. I have no > >idea why this happens, but it seems to be some incompatibility of the Pascal > >DOS kernel code with your machine, in a way that I don't understand. Do you > >have a Pentium II? The other people who got this error had a Pentium II. Which > >Win95 version do you have - is it Win95A or B? Maybe there's a problem with the > > >file system ... > > Since he doesn't have an idea where the problem lies, he suggested that I ask > list members if they have encountered this and if anyone has a workaround or > suggestion to offer. > > Does anyone have a clue? > > Janet > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: RE: (fractint) Partobat problems Date: 07 May 1998 15:28:35 -0400 I'm pretty sure WINOLDAP is a stub program win95 uses to run dos = programs. I think it manages DOS memory and the window it uses, and = other stuff. Pete // fatal error caused by WINOLDAP. Never heard of such a=20 // thing... [snip] Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat problems Date: 07 May 1998 22:17:55 +0100 Hi, I've seen the seen problems with Pascal code. A simple pascal program of mine didn't work on a P2-266. The problem turned out to be located in the CRT (cathode ray tube) unit. Even if *no* procedure from crt is used in the program, the uses crt; line already causes a Divide by zero error (I believe that's indeed RTE 200). This was in real dos, no dos window. I was not able to fix it. Christian -----Original Message----- >Hi All! > >I am trying to use partobat.exe for the first time on my new Pentium II and get >this error message: > >Runtime error 200 at 0488:0091 > >Does anyone have a clue? > >Janet Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat problems Date: 07 May 1998 13:46:48 -0700 Hi, Janet! I usually run Fractint under DOS, not in the background of Windows. If I exit Fractint (Hit the "D" key), and try to run it in DOS, I get that message. Also, If I go to the "MS-DOS prompt" in Windows, it won't run right. But If I "Shut down and restart in MD-DOS mode" (through the Start button) it runs fine for me. I have a Pentium (not II), and Win95 if that helps. If it doesn't help, sorry! That's all I have to offer! Good luck! Linda -----Original Message----- >Hi All! > >I am trying to use partobat.exe for the first time on my new Pentium II and get >this error message: > >Runtime error 200 at 0488:0091 > >I wrote and asked Michael Peters (the program's author) what I was doing wrong. >He replied: > >>nothing. Some people seem to get this message, most others don't. I have no >>idea why this happens, but it seems to be some incompatibility of the Pascal >>DOS kernel code with your machine, in a way that I don't understand. Do you >>have a Pentium II? The other people who got this error had a Pentium II. Which >>Win95 version do you have - is it Win95A or B? Maybe there's a problem with the > >>file system ... > >Since he doesn't have an idea where the problem lies, he suggested that I ask >list members if they have encountered this and if anyone has a workaround or >suggestion to offer. > >Does anyone have a clue? > >Janet > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Martin <76440.1143@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) parser question (bailout project) Date: 07 May 1998 00:19:03 -0400 Bud, > 19.6 documentation says negation is level 2; how can this be, if subtraction, which uses the same operator/symbol is level 4? < Easy, actually. The parser keeps track of whether the next token is to be an operator or a variable. When a "-" comes up, it is subtraction in the former case and negation in the latter. George Martin Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Janet Preslar Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat problems Date: 07 May 1998 17:45:36 -0500 Linda Allison wrote: > Hi, Janet! > > I usually run Fractint under DOS, not in the background of Windows. If > I exit Fractint (Hit the "D" key), and try to run it in DOS, I get that > message. Also, If I go to the "MS-DOS prompt" in Windows, it won't run > right. But If I "Shut down and restart in MD-DOS mode" (through the > Start button) it runs fine for me. > > I have a Pentium (not II), and Win95 if that helps. Linda =97 Partobat ran perfectly from MS-DOS mode as you suggested. Thanks. Now if = I can get FractInt to recognize the video modes that my d*** video card is capa= ble of I'll be in business. Janet Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: (fractint) Stalk Segments Formula Date: 07 May 1998 19:56:44 -0500 (CDT) comment { This is a brand new formula. It uses a modified 3D Stalks rendering method - modified to plot only a segment of each stalk. The reason I developed this method is because the 3D Stalks method does not work well with the classic Mandelbrot set equation. Because the epsilon cross is centered at the origin and the origin is a critical point, the midgets were always covered by stalks. The present formula starts plotting the stalks away from the origin and also limits their length so that no stalk crosses a midget. The resulting images are quite different, but kind of nice. I haven't given any suggested values partly because I haven't used the formula much (just 2 images), and also because I suspect the values may vary quite widely. Both of the pars below are for images near the period-8 bulb. Paul Carlson } frm:Mandel_Segs {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 ; real(p1) = stalk segment width factor ; imag(p1) = stalk segment length factor ; real(p2) = number of color ranges ; imag(p2) = number of colors in a range ; real(p3) = minimum |w| for stalks ; imag(p3) = minimum iterations ; c = pixel w = z = bailout = iter = range_num = 0 stalk_width = real(p1) num_ranges = real(p2) colors_in_range = imag(p2) min = real(p3) index_factor = (colors_in_range - 1) / stalk_width stalk_len = imag(p1) * stalk_width * stalk_width : w = w * w + c ; IF (abs(real(w)) <= abs(imag(w))) dist = abs(real(w)) ELSE dist = abs(imag(w)) ENDIF IF (dist < stalk_width && iter > imag(p3)) IF (|w| > min && |w| < stalk_len) z = index_factor * dist + range_num * colors_in_range + 1 bailout = 1 ENDIF ENDIF range_num = range_num + 1 IF (range_num == num_ranges) range_num = 0 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter bailout == 0 && |w| < 4 } ssmandm1 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=stseg.frm formulaname=mandel_segs passes=t corners=0.359187462505/0.359145722662/-0.0902845010978/-0.090\ 3822164993/0.359219339554/-0.0903270038299 params=0.1/35/8/30/0.2/80 float=y maxiter=3000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=0000zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00OfOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00z\ W0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00zR<28>0C4000<10>000zzz000000 } ssmandm2 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=stseg.frm formulaname=mandel_segs passes=t center-mag=+0.37227586233300000/+0.09063835370000001/325482/1\ /-51.799 params=0.1/35/8/30/0.2/140 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000z0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00zR<28>0C40\ zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00OfOz<28>I0K000<10>000zzz000000 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kivryn_H Subject: (fractint) Re: Tiera-Zon coloring Date: 07 May 1998 21:09:54 -0500 Hi, Does anyone know how, if possible, to use color maps in Tiera-Zon. Is there a way I could convert from map to .clr? I really like the random cycling that comes with Fractint and Winfract, which Tiera-Zon doesn't have--It cycles only within a color map (or clr, as it is called in Tiera-Zon.) Also, can I use Fractint maps and frms in Winfract, such as the frms and maps on this list? Thanks for answering as many of these questions as you can. Sorry so many at one time. Best regards, Kivryn Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RBarn0001 Subject: Re: (fractint) parser question (bailout project) Date: 07 May 1998 22:20:56 EDT In a message dated 98-05-07 18:04:58 EDT, you write: << > 19.6 documentation says negation is level 2; how can this be, if subtraction, which uses the same operator/symbol is level 4? < >> Excuse me for butting in here, but subtraction has two arguments, while negation (or positation ) is a unary operator. They are different operators with different priorities. I just finished writing a formula parser for my Trumand program (not yet released ) so I have all these operator priorities and syntax diagrams running around in my head right now. Ron Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Tiera-Zon coloring Date: 07 May 1998 20:02:22 -0700 Kir... If you don't get a satisfactory answer from this list about Tiera-Zon's features, I suggest you contact Stephen Ferguson directly. He has always been most generous in answering even my dopier questions. Personally I'm not aware of a way to convert from a fractint map to a -zon map. And if it's not obvious it probably can't be done. I have great respect for the amount of time Stephen has paid to user interfaces....I found his programs a snap to learn. Good documentation too.......I sure wish Fractal Orbits....which is great fun....had just a tad better documentation. All map files work just fine for winfract. Just plop them onto your image. The limitation is that you can't color cycle the maps in winfract unless you reset your monitor's color resolution to 256 colors. This may or may not be as simple as the click of a mouse.....Micro-snot does offer a nice little set of tools....power toys....which instantly change your monitor's resolution (well....most of the time anyway). Works for many....but not for all. You can get the power toys from the microsoft site. Best of luck....you always need that with a microsnot product. Angela Kivryn_H wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anyone know how, if possible, to use color maps in Tiera-Zon. Is > there a way I could convert from map to .clr? > > I really like the random cycling that comes with Fractint and Winfract, > which Tiera-Zon doesn't have--It cycles only within a color map (or clr, > as it is called in Tiera-Zon.) > > Also, can I use Fractint maps and frms in Winfract, such as the frms and > maps on this list? > > Thanks for answering as many of these questions as you can. Sorry so > many at one time. > > Best regards, > Kivryn > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: (fractint) F.O.T.N. (Fractal of the Night) 7 May 1998 (Reaching) Date: 07 May 1998 21:58:42 -0700 F.O.T.N. (Fractal of the Night) 7 May 1998 (Reaching) It seemed forever to Dr. E (and to most of us also). First down this corridor and then down that corridor. She should have entered the hospital by another way. And she would have if she knew her way around here better. For a moment she thought she saw Dr. J but then realized it was just a poster begging for donations (Fig. 1) to support the new fractrauma wing of the hospital. This is where Dr. J probably was by now, given what had happened to him. "Oh miss... Oh miss...." Was that someone calling to her? After all she was wearing her fake candy striped volunteer outfit and pig tail wig. She ignored the calls and moved on toward Dr. J's room. The doctors claimed he is not iterating but she had to know for herself. http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/FotN/FotN92.html Figure 1. Reaching. Which is more important, a new computer or a new car? Answer: replace which ever has stopped first. Jay The parameter and formula files for Fractint are included below. Copy them into a quickie.par file for quick loading into Fractint. For longer term use, copy the frm: block into a FotN.frm file. But this time leave off the 'frm:' part. Then copy the rest (the par parts) into your FotN.par file. Reaching { ; (c) Jay Hill, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=onepiece.par formulaname=mixup center-mag=0.568447/0.109586/10.53932/1/122.499 params=2/0/4/0.5/0.15/0 float=y maxiter=512 inside=bof60 symmetry=xaxis colors=000KAK<12>hAtjAwiAw<13>MAwKAw\ KAw<109>cZwcKA<109>wcK0cK0cK savename=reaching } frm:MixUp {; (c) Jay Hill, 1998 ; make sure p1 <> p2 and p3 <> 0 u=p1, v=p2, w=p3, c=pixel/w, x=v-u, z=(-u/v/w)^(1/x): z=z^u + w*z^v + c |z| <= 1000 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sh0cKwAvE Subject: (fractint) TrueColor Fractint. Date: 08 May 1998 01:44:47 -0400 Hello, I am new to this list(few days), and was wondering if I could have some insight on when (if?) fractint will have full high/true color support. I had hoped to see it fully in the current version, as I have been using fractint scince the Fractal Creations Book and fractint v15.13. I am a programmer and if anyone wishes, I will give any help I can to make at the min 32k color fractals the standard. If this isan overdiscussed/pre-stated point forgive me. I simply must know. :) Thank you, Timothy Biggs Sh0cKeD SoLuTioNS CoNSuLTiNG sh0ck@thepentagon.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: RE: (fractint) Partobat problems Date: 08 May 1998 06:43:54 -0400 I think that CRT means 'C run time' as in a DLL (dynamic link library). = You probably dont have the right one. Pete // -----Original Message----- // From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com // [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Christian = Strik // Sent: Thursday, May 07, 1998 5:18 PM // To: fractint // Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat problems // =20 // =20 // Hi, // =20 // I've seen the seen problems with Pascal code. A simple pascal = program of // mine didn't work on a P2-266. The problem turned out to be=20 // located in the // CRT (cathode ray tube) unit. Even if *no* procedure from crt is=20 // used in the // program, the // uses crt; // line already causes a Divide by zero error (I believe that's indeed = RTE // 200). This was in real dos, no dos window. // =20 // I was not able to fix it. // =20 // Christian // =20 // -----Original Message----- // >Hi All! // > // >I am trying to use partobat.exe for the first time on my new=20 // Pentium II and // get // >this error message: // > // >Runtime error 200 at 0488:0091 // > // >Does anyone have a clue? // > // >Janet // =20 // =20 // =20 // =20 // =20 // =20 // -------------------------------------------------------------- // Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List // Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com // Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" // Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net // Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" // =20 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat problems Date: 08 May 1998 09:27:24 -0500 Peter Gavin wrote: > > I think that CRT means 'C run time' as in a DLL (dynamic link library). You probably dont have the right one. No, I believe you're wrong. The crt unit has something to do with manipulating text on the screen, if I remember correctly. If only I had my Turbo Pascal 5 I could tell you for sure... :( > // I've seen the seen problems with Pascal code. A simple pascal program of > // mine didn't work on a P2-266. The problem turned out to be > // located in the > // CRT (cathode ray tube) unit. Even if *no* procedure from crt is > // used in the > // program, the > // uses crt; > // line already causes a Divide by zero error (I believe that's indeed RTE > // 200). This was in real dos, no dos window. -- I sense a great disturbance in the Source. Justin A. Kolodziej I am 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu Marquette University is http://www.mu.edu Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robin bussell Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat problems Date: 08 May 1998 16:06:18 +0100 I thought this sounded familiar.... if you go and take a look at: http://www.mygale.org/02/renan/ which is the homepage for a rather groovy music to pretty patterns program, there in the list of updates is: march 1998, the 1st The problem on aestesis dos with the PentiumII is corrected, this problem was due to an error in the crt lib of borland pascal. I've integrated the patch from borland in the new compilation. download the new aestesis dos pack : A quick look at the borland (now inprise) site reveals: http://www.inprise.com/devsupport/pascal/ Runtime Error 200 - 'Divide by 0' Applications that use the CRT unit may generate this error message when running on very fast machines (i.e. Pentium Pro 180 and above). The cause of this error is a timing loop that occurs as part of the initialization of the CRT unit. This timing loop counts how many clock ticks occur within the loop and then that number is divided by 55. The result of this division is a value that is too large to fit into an integer value. The 'Divide by 0' error message is the catch-all error that is displayed when this overflow occurs. There are currently no Borland endorsed patches for this problem. There are several user provided patches available on the internet that patch both the CRT unit as well as existing EXE files. The easiest way to obtain these patches is to go to www.altavista.digital.com and search on '+ bp7patch.zip + tppatch.zip' without the quotes. So there you go! I'll leave further investigations to those who have Borland Pascal. I hope the non programming portion of the list doesn't mind this meaningless technobabble, look on it as an insight into the things that can come and bite you when you least expect it in the ever changing world of Information Technology :-) Cheers, Robin. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Martin <76440.1143@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) gravijul Date: 08 May 1998 13:26:06 -0400 Friends, Some recent postings of the gravijul formula have contained some extra lines from the "official" version of the formula. These extra lines make assignments to p1, p2 and p3 in the initialization section of the formula, which would override different settings in a par entry. People who save formulas as they are posted here should make sure to delete the rogue version of this very popular formula. Here is the correct version: gravijul {; r^(-2) Mark Christenson 1/25/98 ; defaults: p1 = (1,0) p2 = (0,0) p3 = (4,0) z = pixel: w = fn1(z) z = fn3(p1/fn2(w*w)) + p2 |z| < p3 ;SOURCE: 98msg.frm } George Martin Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: luisrmcosta@gyral.com (Luis Ricardo Costa) Subject: Re: (fractint) Hi / Last version of Fractint Date: 08 May 1998 17:50:19 GMT Em Thu, 7 May 1998 13:37:56 +0200, escreveu: =46irst, thanks you all... You really helped me! >You can get >frain195.zip from Simtel.net - ftp://ftp.ip.pt/pub/simtelnet/ Well, Angela Wilczynski said that the last version of Fractint is frain196.zip... And, I think that I won't have problems to get it. The server ftp.ip.pt is a very fast FTP - right here in Portugal! I think it couldn't be better!! :) Thanks, Luis Ricardo Costa Odivelas =3D> Portugal luisrmcosta@gyral.com *** ICQ UIN: 4111347 EXPO'98 =3D> http://www.expo98.pt Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: luisrmcosta@gyral.com (Luis Ricardo Costa) Subject: Re: (fractint) Hi / Last version of Fractint Date: 08 May 1998 18:17:32 GMT Em Thu, 07 May 1998 07:23:07 -0700, escreveu: Hi... Just to say that I already have the last version of Fractint in my computer, and... thanks once more for all the help! Bye, Luis Ricardo Costa Odivelas =3D> Portugal luisrmcosta@gyral.com *** ICQ UIN: 4111347 EXPO'98 =3D> http://www.expo98.pt Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat problems Date: 09 May 1998 00:25:51 +0100 Pete wrote: >>I think that CRT means 'C run time' as in a DLL (dynamic link library). You probably dont have the right one. >>Pete >> To my mail // I've seen the seen problems with Pascal code. A simple pascal program of // mine didn't work on a P2-266. The problem turned out to be // located in the // CRT (cathode ray tube) unit. Even if *no* procedure from crt is // used in the // program, the // uses crt; // line already causes a Divide by zero error (I believe that's indeed RTE // 200). This was in real dos, no dos window. I don't think the CRT means C run time. All the procs and functions of crt are related to text-mode viewports. Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: (fractint) Unusual Double Exposure Formula Date: 08 May 1998 18:48:01 -0500 (CDT) comment { This formula uses a very unusual coloring method. The color range is determined by the iteration count, but the color within the range is determined by the 3D Stalk method. The effect is sort of like a double exposure. I'd appreciate knowing what you think of this method - if you like it, I'll apply it to some other equations. Paul Carlson } frm:Dbl_Expos_Newt1 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 ; ; real(p1) = a factor controlling the size of the stalks ; imag(p1) = minimum iterations ; real(p2) = convergence test distance ; imag(p2) = value of |w| for bailout ; real(p3) = number of color ranges ; imag(p3) = number of colors in a range ; z = bailout = iter = range_num = dist = 0 c = pixel cm1 = c - 1 tcm1 = cm1 + cm1 w = sqrt((1 - c) / 6) sc = sqrt(-c) stalk_width = real(p1) skip_iters = imag(p1) cdist = real(p2) num_ranges = real(p3) colors_in_range = imag(p3) index_factor = (colors_in_range - 1) / stalk_width : w2 = w * w w = w - (w2 * w2 + cm1 * w2 - c) / (4 * w2 * w + tcm1 * w) ; IF (iter > skip_iters) IF (abs(real(w)) <= abs(imag(w))) min_dist = abs(real(w)) ELSE min_dist = abs(imag(w)) ENDIF IF (dist == 0 && min_dist < stalk_width) dist = min_dist ENDIF IF (|w + (-1,0)| < cdist) bailout = 1 ELSEIF (|w + (1,0)| < cdist) bailout = 1 ELSEIF (|w + sc| < cdist) bailout = 1 ELSEIF (|w - sc| < cdist) bailout = 1 ENDIF ENDIF IF (bailout == 1) z = index_factor * dist + range_num * colors_in_range + 1 bailout = 1 ENDIF range_num = range_num + 1 IF (range_num == num_ranges) range_num = 0 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter bailout == 0 && |w| < imag(p2) } dent1m01 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dbexnwt1.frm formulaname=dbl_expos_newt1 passes=t center-mag=-0.11157800435080620/+0.99375485493326440/11837.12\ /1/-159.999 params=0.1/0/1e-007/1e+020/8/30 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00\ zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<13>000 } dent1m02 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dbexnwt1.frm formulaname=dbl_expos_newt1 passes=t center-mag=30.524/1.11022e-016/2.937392/1/90 params=0.1/10/1e-007/1e+020/8/30 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00\ zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<13>000 } dent1m03 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dbexnwt1.frm formulaname=dbl_expos_newt1 passes=t center-mag=1046.852803/0/75.29715/1/90 params=0.1/30/1e-007/1e+020/8/30 float=y maxiter=3000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00\ zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<12>000zzz } dent1m04 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dbexnwt1.frm formulaname=dbl_expos_newt1 passes=t center-mag=-0.0677116/1.00704/9.861933 params=0.1/0/1e-007/1e+020/8/30 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00\ zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<13>000 } dent1m05 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dbexnwt1.frm formulaname=dbl_expos_newt1 passes=1 center-mag=+0.99933509405696620/+0.03646054300388649/1916229/\ 1/-1.999 params=0.1/50/1e-007/1e+020/2/125 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000zzz<123>VVVzz0<123>aG0000<2>000kkk } dent1m06 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dbexnwt1.frm formulaname=dbl_expos_newt1 passes=1 center-mag=+0.99872517189752490/+0.05082299857910686/634.6622\ /1/-2.999 params=0.1/0/1e-007/1e+020/8/30 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00\ zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<13>000 } dent1m07 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dbexnwt1.frm formulaname=dbl_expos_newt1 passes=t center-mag=+0.99883132158904500/+0.04833048223560943/11411.46\ /1/-2.498 params=0.1/45/1e-007/1e+020/8/30 float=y maxiter=3000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00\ zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<12>000zzz } dent1m08 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dbexnwt1.frm formulaname=dbl_expos_newt1 passes=t center-mag=-0.50135454686508240/+0.84441168145907690/2053494/\ 1/-172.498 params=0.1/0/1e-007/1e+020/2/125 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000z88<123>O00zqa<123>WRF000<2>000kkk } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Pars for the course Date: 08 May 1998 21:18:53 -0500 Hi Fractalizens: Adding to your backlog of unviewed par files, this batch uses Sylvie's formula Gallet-6-03. Bob "Kentucky Fried Fractals" Margolis ========================== Study_#1-5|8|98 { ; (c) by Bob Margolis, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=Gallet-6-03 function=tan/asin/asinh passes=1 center-mag=2.10769e-016/-2.11636e-016/40.50971/1.3333/0/27.474 params=2.71828182845905/0/3.14159265358979/0/-1/0 float=y maxiter=255 decomp=256 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=0zzxxx<29>000<29>VwwXzzYzz<13>xzzzzzzzzzzz<14>_zzZyyYww<28>344122\ 233<29>xxxzzzzzz<30>000<30>WxxYzzZzz<13>xzzzzzzzz<14>zzz } Study_#2-5|8|98 { ; (c) by Bob Margolis, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=Gallet-6-03 function=tan/asin/zero passes=1 center-mag=-1.11022e-016/1.11022e-016/1.449275/1.3333 params=2.4/0/1.3/0/0.2/0 float=y maxiter=255 decomp=64 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000yx0zz0<18>T90R60R60<18>xw0zz0yx0<17>T90R60R60<18>xw0zz0yx0<17>\ T90R60R60<19>zz0<6>R60zz0<18>T90R60R60<18>xw0zz0yx0<17>T90R60R60<18>xw0z\ z0zz0<18>T90R60R60<17>wu0 } Study_#3-5|8|98 { ; (c) by Bob Margolis, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=Gallet-6-03 function=sin/cosxx/asin passes=1 center-mag=0.0368/0.0402707/6.170894/1.3333 params=2/0/0.5/0/10/0 float=y maxiter=255 decomp=64 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000LL0<4>ee0ii0ll0pp0rr0uu0<2>yy0zz0zz0<2>ww0uu0rr0pp0<4>YY0UU0PP\ 0LL0GG0KA0<4>aI0eJ0hL0kM0nN0<3>uQ0vR0vR0vR0vR0<3>pO0nN0kM0<2>aI0ZG0VF0RD\ 0OB0KA0000<190>000 } Study_#4-5|8|98 { ; (c) by Bob Margolis, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=Gallet-6-03 function=log/log/log passes=1 center-mag=+0.21508478763975980/+0.19761468242471290/105.2628/1.3333/45 params=1/0/1.1/0.65/0/0.42 float=y maxiter=255 invert=0.5/0/0 decomp=64 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000G20L30<2>Y80bA0eD0iG0lK0<2>sX0u`0ve0wj0wj0ve0<2>qS0oO0lK0iG0eD\ 0bA0Y80U60Q40<2>B20205<222>205 } Gallet-6-03 { ; Sylvie Gallet, 1996 z = pixel , x = real(z) , y = imag(z) : x2 = x*x , y2 = y*y x1 = x2 - p1*fn1(y2 + fn2(p2*x) + fn3(p3*y)) y1 = y2 - p1*fn1(x2 + fn2(p2*y) + fn3(p3*x)) x = x1 , y = y1 z = x + flip(y) |z| <= 32 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: Re: (fractint) Unusual Double Exposure Formula Date: 08 May 1998 22:22:36 -0400 Paul and/or Joyce Carlson wrote: > I'd appreciate knowing what you think of this method - if you > like it, I'll apply it to some other equations. Paul, There is not a formula you posted to this list, including this one, I don't think very highly of, but I am only remiss in saying so often enough. Watching for your posts and running the pars is one of the highlights of my experience with this list. So by all means: keep them coming! Gedeon Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: (fractint) SStools.ini help Date: 08 May 1998 19:42:27 -0700 In a fit of stupidity, I dumped my sstools.ini file. I have a Matrox Millinium 8meg card which does funny things if I don't set the viewtext thingummy properly. Maybe it was some other thingummy.....I forgot!!! But anyway, if I switch from fiddling around with a fractal image to loading colors, I get a very goofy image. To correct the problem I have to re-select the video mode. I know this group had excellent suggestions which I implemented in my sstools.ini file and the problem disappeared. I DID look at the help available in Fractint and at the sstools.ini sample before I posted my plea. I looked at the Fractint documentation. I KNOW this issue is covered somewhere on the web.....but where?????? If not at spanky, I truly believe there ought to be a link off the spanky documenation page to the explanatory page......with ALL the options described (please). I mean.....Spanky is the bible, right?? Well...at least the start of the journey to Fractint enlightenment. <> Thanks for any help.....you can send prophalactic email to wizzle@beachnet.com. Angela Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: Re: (fractint) Unusual Double Exposure Formula Date: 09 May 1998 01:01:33 -0500 (CDT) Gedeon, Thanks for the comments - I really appreciate them. I consider this particular rendering method kind of a novelty, and so my asking for commennts was to try to determine if it was worth my time (and yours) to do some more formulas using it, rather than use the time to do formulas using the types of rendering that I have been doing. Now that spring has arrived in Colorado, the amount of time I'll be spending at the computer for the next 5 or 6 months is limited. Paul Carlson >Paul, > >There is not a formula you posted to this list, including this one, I >don't think very highly of, but I am only remiss in saying so often >enough. Watching for your posts and running the pars is one of the >highlights of my experience with this list. So by all means: keep them >coming! > >Gedeon Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: (fractint) You asked for it. Date: 09 May 1998 05:43:50 -0400 Netscape Communicator so-called "Professional Edition" 4.05 crashed again, and this time completely locked up my computer, costing precious data. I am absolutely stunned that a product this fragile and useless and downright *dangerous* ever made it past testing. If you carefully inspect the mail headers, you will see that I am no longer using Netscape. In fact, you will see that I am using your worst enemy's browser and mail tools. Let this be a lesson to you. Please note that I am going to be making my experiences with your so-called professional products publicly known. -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://www3.sympatico.ca/bob.beland/indexn2f.html _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: RE: (fractint) You asked for it. Date: 09 May 1998 11:17:19 -0400 It's alright, I understand... But I would suggest Outlook 98 while it's = still free :) Pete // -----Original Message----- // From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com // [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Paul = Derbyshire // Sent: Saturday, May 09, 1998 5:44 AM // To: postmaster@netscape.com; noc@netscape.com; root@netscape.com // Subject: (fractint) You asked for it. // =20 [snipped] Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: RE: (fractint) Partobat problems Date: 09 May 1998 11:25:45 -0400 Well, what does CRT mean in this case? I really doubt it's cathode ray = tube, because (almost) no program out there directly interfaces with it, = and that's only through a video card, which changes resolutions and = refresh rates and whatnot. The most direct manipulation I've ever seen = (on a CRT, I mean) is on a demo that changed the refresh rate = dynamically to produce cool looking swirls via interference patterns. = (And that would probably be done through the video card.) Pete // -----Original Message----- // From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com // [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of robin bussell // Sent: Friday, May 08, 1998 11:06 AM // To: fractint@lists.xmission.com // Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat problems // =20 // =20 // I thought this sounded familiar.... if you go and take a look at: // =20 // http://www.mygale.org/02/renan/ // =20 // which is the homepage for a rather groovy music to pretty=20 // patterns program, there in the list of updates is: // =20 // march 1998, the 1st // The problem on aestesis dos with the PentiumII is corrected, // this problem was due to an error in the crt lib of borland pascal. // I've integrated the patch from borland in the new compilation. // download the new aestesis dos pack :=20 // =20 // A quick look at the borland (now inprise) site reveals: // =20 // http://www.inprise.com/devsupport/pascal/ // =20 // Runtime Error 200 - 'Divide by 0'=20 // Applications that use the CRT unit may generate this error message // when running on very fast machines (i.e. Pentium Pro 180 and = above). // The cause of this error is a timing loop that occurs as part of the // initialization of the CRT unit. This timing loop counts how many = clock // ticks occur within the loop and then that number is divided by 55. = The // result of this division is a value that is too large to fit=20 // into an integer // value. The 'Divide by 0' error message is the catch-all error that = is // displayed when this overflow occurs.=20 // =20 // There are currently no Borland endorsed patches for this problem. // There are several user provided patches available on the internet = that // patch both the CRT unit as well as existing EXE files. The easiest = way // to obtain these patches is to go to www.altavista.digital.com and // search on '+ bp7patch.zip + tppatch.zip' without the quotes.=20 // =20 // =20 // So there you go! // =20 // I'll leave further investigations to those who have Borland=20 // Pascal. I hope the // non programming portion of the list doesn't mind this=20 // meaningless technobabble, look on it as an insight into the things // that can come and bite you when you least expect it in the ever=20 // changing world of Information Technology :-) // =20 // Cheers, // Robin. // =20 // -------------------------------------------------------------- // Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List // Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com // Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" // Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net // Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" // =20 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat problems Date: 09 May 1998 17:42:48 +0100 Do you have any experience with the pascal programming language? In dos pascal *all* functions / procs from the crt unit are text video mode related. Christian >>>>Well, what does CRT mean in this case? I really doubt it's cathode ray tube, because (almost) no program out there directly interfaces with it, and that's only through a video card, which changes resolutions and refresh rates and whatnot. The most direct manipulation I've ever seen (on a CRT, I mean) is on a demo that changed the refresh rate dynamically to produce cool looking swirls via interference patterns. (And that would probably be done through the video card.) Pete<<<< Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cjc26@cornell.edu Subject: (fractint) Octet Minibrot Date: 09 May 1998 13:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Hello all...Well I've been lurking on this list for the past couple of weeks, and figured maybe it was about time I actually posted one of my *own* pars! :) I call this one 'OctetMini' because of the 8-spiral pattern surrounding the minibrot. Please everyone tell me what you think.... OctetMini { ; Cliff Crawford 1998 reset=1960 type=mandel center-mag=-0.50875428314337120/+0.52145167887750430/7274298 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=50000 inside=0 logmap=678 colors=00000i<43>002000000000<29>00k00m01m<29>0ky0mz1mz<30>zzz<44>5zz3zz\ 2zz0zz0yz<43>05z03z02z00z00y<14>00j } --Cliff http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/cjc26/ civil rights are not special rights Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: Re: (fractint) Octet Minibrot Date: 09 May 1998 13:40:18 -0500 (CDT) >I call this one 'OctetMini' because of the 8-spiral pattern >surrounding the minibrot. Please everyone tell me what you think.... > >OctetMini { ; Cliff Crawford 1998 Nice image, Cliff! As you probably know if you've run any of the pars I've posted to this list, I'm partial to images that have minibrots in them. I especially like those that have a high degree of symmetry around the minibrot. I'll be saving the coordinates of your image to try with some different rendering methods. Paul Carlson Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Unusual Double Exposure Formula Date: 09 May 1998 12:04:24 -0700 Paul and/or Joyce Carlson wrote: > > Gedeon, > > Thanks for the comments - I really appreciate them. I consider this > particular rendering method kind of a novelty, and so my asking for > commennts was to try to determine if it was worth my time (and yours) > to do some more formulas using it, rather than use the time to do > formulas using the types of rendering that I have been doing. Now > that spring has arrived in Colorado, the amount of time I'll be > spending at the computer for the next 5 or 6 months is limited. > > Paul Carlson > > >Paul, > > > >There is not a formula you posted to this list, including this one, I > >don't think very highly of, but I am only remiss in saying so often > >enough. Watching for your posts and running the pars is one of the > >highlights of my experience with this list. So by all means: keep them > >coming! > > > >Gedeon I certainly agree with Gedeon about Paul's formulas. Here is a par from the latest formula with a new map wiz_dent1 { ; Angela Wilczynski 5/9/98 new plum1.map ; from a Paul Carlson formula reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=may98.frm formulaname=dbl_expos_newt1 center-mag=1.00159/1.38778e-016/8.781603 params=0.1/0/1e-007/1e+020/8/30 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000bE6<9>M20K00I00<5>000<3>000000112<13>AAT<14>A35A23C36<2>I7HL9L\ L9L<54>B54A43843<2>210000000<5>000500<20>a9IcAJcAJ<21>I05D04902000<2>000\ 000201<2>A09C1CF3F<13>pTv<14>D2DA09807<2>201000000<4>000<3>K00L10N20<13>\ mM9<5>cF6 } wiz_popt1 { ; Angela Wilczynski 5/9/98 ; from a P. DiGiorgi formula reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=pdg05.frm formulaname=pd_pcj function=sin/conj/cotan/abs center-mag=-0.00938967/0/0.4732212/1/-90 params=1.04/0.03/3/-1.032/0.06/4 float=y maxiter=255 inside=0 colors=000LB9<12>zzm<15>0CC<12>0zz<15>000<15>00z<11>00G<14>zzm<10>0A0<15\ >0zm<12>C0C<14>SivUmzUjw<6>NP`NMYLGR<4>G0A<12>zmm<13>U30<3>K0K<12>mUm<21\ >RCJMJUQBI<11>C00F33I76 } frm:pd_pcj { ; modified PopcornJul by P. DiGiorgi h = real(p3), bailout = imag(p3) z = fn4(pixel) x = real(z), y = imag(z): x1 = p1*x - h*fn1(y - fn2(fn3(p2*y))) y1 = p1*y - h*fn1(x - fn2(fn3(p2*x))) z = x1 + flip(y1) x = x1, y = y1 |z| <= bailout } I also threw in a par from another fomula I was exploring....there is just too much good stuff!!!! Love it!!! Also....thanks to everyone who helped to get me thru my "keyboard crisis." I got a new keyboard today....the old one had a bad control key....what a bummer...it's incredible how important that one key is in fractaling. I'm a happy camper again. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Octet Minibrot Date: 09 May 1998 12:34:23 -0700 Cliff.... Very very nice image!! I can never find mini's in the mandelbrot set myself...I probably don't zoom in enough. And of course, I couldn't help a little fiddling with your excellent par......I zoomed out just a bit and added a color map from the collection by Linda Allison wiz_octet { ; based on Cliff Craford's mini ; with a Linda Allison color map from the collection reset=1960 type=mandel center-mag=-0.50875428314337120/+0.52145167887750430/6021489 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=50000 inside=0 logmap=678 colors=505000<63>000001000<2>90IC1OF1UI2ZL3cO4hR5lU7oX8s_9ubBx<2>jFz<2>b\ Bx_9uX8sU7oR5l<2>I2ZF1UC1O90I60C306203000620<2>O82UA3ZC5cE7hG9lIBoKEsMGu\ OJxQM<2>zVV<2>xQMuOJsMGoKElIBhG9<7>00000010621C31I43O55U67Z7Ac8Dh9HlALoB\ OsCTuDXxEayFfzGjz<2>DXxCTuBOsALo9Hl8Dh7Ac67Z55U43O31I<2>000<7>U0EY0I`0Mb\ 0Se0Wg0ai0gj0mj0tk0y<22>7030oO<27>0A5095084074053<2>021000000<11>000 } > > Hello all...Well I've been lurking on this list for the past couple of > weeks, and figured maybe it was about time I actually posted one of my > *own* pars! :) I call this one 'OctetMini' because of the 8-spiral pattern > surrounding the minibrot. Please everyone tell me what you think.... <> > --Cliff > http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/cjc26/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Pars for the course Date: 09 May 1998 12:35:57 -0700 Bob Margolis wrote: > > Hi Fractalizens: > > Adding to your backlog of unviewed par files, this batch uses > Sylvie's formula Gallet-6-03. > > Bob "Kentucky Fried Fractals" Margolis > Kentucky Fried Fractals???????? Are you really Col. Cinders??? (couldn't help myself) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) Unusual Double Exposure Formula Date: 09 May 1998 15:42:28 -0400 Hi Paul, >> This formula uses a very unusual coloring method. The color range is >> determined by the iteration count, but the color within the range is >> determined by the 3D Stalk method. The effect is sort of like a >> double exposure. >> >> I'd appreciate knowing what you think of this method - if you like >> it, I'll apply it to some other equations. Great formula! I'm looking forward to seeing this method applied to so= me other equations. - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: (fractint) Carlson formula par Date: 09 May 1998 13:25:26 -0700 Well....I'm pretty excited about this par. I got a really nifty result from zooming in on one of Paul's pars and also re-doing one of my own "carlson set" color maps to bring out the structure of his stalks methodology. There are a couple of obvious zooms here......and I'll let you all have the fun of doing them yourselves.... wiz_spiralvalley { ; AVW 5/9/98 new color map flx-blk1.map ; from a Paul Carlson formula reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=may98.frm formulaname=spir_stalks_jul corners=-0.53691921/-0.479572948/0.802008049/0.780418614/-0.505911627/0.\ 760664605 params=-0.36665/0.11573/0.02/0/8/30 float=y maxiter=251 inside=253 outside=summ colors=@flx-blk2.map cyclerange=1/240 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) Octet Minibrot Date: 09 May 1998 18:02:04 -0400 Hi Cliff and Angela, Very nice images! I used Angela's coordinates, a slightly different logmap value, and one= of my maps. sg_octet { ; . t=3D 0:23:49= =2E23 ; Copyright Sylvie Gallet, May 09, 1998 ; ; t=3Dcalc time using a Pentium 166 at 1600 x 1200 reset=3D1960 type=3Dmandel passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-0.50875428314337120/+0.52145167887750430/6021489 params=3D0/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D50000 inside=3D0 logmap=3D667 colors=3D00F<13>48N49O5AP5BP5CQ<16>CT`CU`DVaEWb<8>MghNhhOig<3>VmcXnb_n_= <9>\ zv4<13>Efa<10>7WR6VP7UO<13>HA2I80HA0<2>CG1AI2AJ2<14>H`8<12>wrB<12>zzz<1= 4\ >xtQwsNuqM<16>BK3<13>zVI<4>zzr<10>ryU<12>0bT<4>0UK0SI2PF4LB6I8<14>12E } Cheers, - Sylvie E-mail: Sylvie_Gallet@CompuServe.com Visit my exhibit at Museum of Computer Art: http://www.dorsai.org/~moca/ My Fractal Galleries: http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/sylvie/gallet.html http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Carlson formu Date: 09 May 1998 18:41:56 -0400 Wiz, >> wiz_spiralvalley { ; AVW 5/9/98 new color map flx-blk1.map ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> inside=3D253 outside=3Dsumm colors=3D@flx-blk2.map cyclerange=3D1/240= ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Now if I just had that flx-blk2.map! :-( Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kivryn_H Subject: (fractint) Re: Tiera-Zon coloring Date: 09 May 1998 18:20:51 -0500 Angela wrote: > He has always been > most generous in answering even my dopier questions. Yeah, Steve has always been patient with my questions, too. > I found his programs a snap > to learn. Good > documentation too Me too. I must be really stupid, and embarrassed. I didn't see any documentation. Did it come with the program? > All map files work just fine for winfract. What about fractint frms and pars? Thanks all, Kivryn Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Tiera-Zon coloring Date: 09 May 1998 22:49:01 -0400 Kivryn_H wrote: > Angela wrote: > > All map files work just fine for winfract. > > What about fractint frms and pars? No formulas containing if..else logic work in Winfract. Pars cannot refer to such formulas. Nor can they contain outside=atan; or bailout tests other than mod. They cannot contain center-mag notation either; nor can there be any skewing. And there is no arbitrary precision math, i.e.: deep zooming. There are probably some other things I am overlooking here. In short, lots of pars posted to this list do not work in Winfract. Gedeon Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: (fractint) Another Double Exposure Formula Date: 09 May 1998 23:06:55 -0500 (CDT) comment { This formula uses a coloring method related to the method used in the Dbl_Expos_Newt1 formula that I posted a couple of days ago. In that formula the color range was determined by the iteration count. In this formula the color range is determined by which of the four roots the pixel converges to. In both formulas the color within the range is determined by the 3D Stalk method. Both formulas are Newton's solution of the equation (w*w - 1) * (w*w + c) = 0. The pars included here are for the same areas as the previous formula. I've used only two color ranges instead of four in these pars, using each range twice. And I've used the same colormap for all the pars. You may find it rewarding to experiment with the colors. I noticed that in the Dbl_Expos_Newt1 formula I messed up on the indentation and had a useless "bailout = 1" line in the formula, both of which were the result of cutting and pasting code from other formulas. Hope that didn't confuse anyone. Paul Carlson } frm:Db2_Expos_Newt1 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 ; ; real(p1) = a factor controlling the size of the stalks ; imag(p1) = minimum iterations ; real(p2) = convergence test distance ; imag(p2) = value of |w| for bailout ; z = bailout = iter = range_num = dist = 0 c = pixel cm1 = c - 1 tcm1 = cm1 + cm1 w = sqrt((1 - c) / 6) sc = sqrt(-c) stalk_width = real(p1) skip_iters = imag(p1) cdist = real(p2) index_factor = 59 / stalk_width : w2 = w * w w = w - (w2 * w2 + cm1 * w2 - c) / (4 * w2 * w + tcm1 * w) ; IF (iter > skip_iters) IF (abs(real(w)) <= abs(imag(w))) min_dist = abs(real(w)) ELSE min_dist = abs(imag(w)) ENDIF IF (dist == 0 && min_dist < stalk_width) dist = min_dist ENDIF IF (|w + (-1,0)| < cdist) bailout = 1 range_num = 0 ELSEIF (|w + (1,0)| < cdist) bailout = 1 range_num = 1 ELSEIF (|w + sc| < cdist) bailout = 1 range_num = 2 ELSEIF (|w - sc| < cdist) bailout = 1 range_num = 3 ENDIF ENDIF IF (bailout == 1) z = index_factor * dist + range_num * 60 + 1 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter bailout == 0 && |w| < imag(p2) } d2nt1m01 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=db2exnt1.frm formulaname=db2_expos_newt1 passes=t center-mag=-0.11157800435080620/+0.99375485493326440/11837.12/\ 1/-159.999 params=0.1/0/1e-007/1e+020 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<58>I0Kzz0<58>aG0fOz<58>I0Kzz0<58>aG0000<12>000kkk } d2nt1m02 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=db2exnt1.frm formulaname=db2_expos_newt1 passes=t center-mag=30.524/1.11022e-016/2.937392/1/90 params=0.1/10/1e-007/1e+020 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<58>I0Kzz0<58>aG0fOz<58>I0Kzz0<58>aG0000<12>000kkk } d2nt1m03 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=db2exnt1.frm formulaname=db2_expos_newt1 passes=t center-mag=1046.852803/0/75.29715/1/90 params=0.1/30/1e-007/1e\ +020 float=y maxiter=3000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<58>I0Kzz0<58>aG0fOz<58>I0Kzz0<58>aG0000<12>000kkk } d2nt1m04 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=db2exnt1.frm formulaname=db2_expos_newt1 passes=t center-mag=-0.0677116/1.00704/9.861933 params=0.1/0/1e-007/1e+020 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<58>I0Kzz0<58>aG0fOz<58>I0Kzz0<58>aG0000<12>000kkk } d2nt1m05 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=db2exnt1.frm formulaname=db2_expos_newt1 passes=1 center-mag=+0.99933509405696620/+0.03646054300388649/1916229/\ 1/-1.999 params=0.1/50/1e-007/1e+020 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<58>I0Kzz0<58>aG0fOz<58>I0Kzz0<58>aG0000<12>000kkk } d2nt1m06 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=db2exnt1.frm formulaname=db2_expos_newt1 passes=1 center-mag=+0.99872517189752490/+0.05082299857910686/634.6622/\ 1/-2.999 params=0.1/0/1e-007/1e+020 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<58>I0Kzz0<58>aG0fOz<58>I0Kzz0<58>aG0000<12>000kkk } d2nt1m07 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=db2exnt1.frm formulaname=db2_expos_newt1 passes=t center-mag=+0.99883132158904500/+0.04833048223560943/11411.46/\ 1/-2.497 params=0.1/45/1e-007/1e+020 float=y maxiter=3000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<58>I0Kzz0<58>aG0fOz<58>I0Kzz0<58>aG0000<12>000kkk } d2nt1m08 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=db2exnt1.frm formulaname=db2_expos_newt1 passes=t center-mag=-0.50135454686508240/+0.84441168145907690/2053494/\ 1/-172.498 params=0.1/0/1e-007/1e+020 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<58>I0Kzz0<58>aG0fOz<58>I0Kzz0<58>aG0000<12>000kkk } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Janet Preslar Subject: (fractint) Resource List Date: 10 May 1998 00:21:49 -0500 The following is a list of resources for FractInt users and Discussion List members. (Last updated May 10, 1998) Please send all corrections, additions, and suggestions to: Janet Preslar (mailto:preslar@memphisonline.com) FractInt At Spanky =97 http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/fractint.html Mirror site =97 http://fractal.mta.ca/fractint/fractint.html FractInt Documentation =97 http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/findex.html FractInt semi-official wish list =97 http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/robin.b2/olig/fracwish.htm Information, Tutorials and Explanations How to run FractInt for DOS under Windows 95 =97 http://fractal.mta.ca/fractint/fracwin95.html Linda Allison's Basic FractInt Hints and Tips =97 http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/basic/basic-information.htm Wizzle's hints on getting started =97 http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/hints/tips-fractint.htm Linda Allison's Par and Frm tutorial =97 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519/lesson.html http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/pars_and_frms/lesson.html (mirror) Linda Allison's Tutorial on Zooming =97 http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/zoom/zoom-lesson.html Linda Allison's Tutorial on Proportioning, Sizing, and Skewing =97 http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/proportion/proportions.htm Linda Allison's ColorMap tutorial =97 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519/colors.html http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/colormaps/colormaps.htm (mirror) Linda Allison's Color Tricks =97 http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/colortricks/colortricks.htm Wizzle's Color Map Magic =97 http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/wizmaps/wizmaps.htm Damien M. Jones's Fractal Information Page =97 http://www.fractalus.com/misc/info.htm Linda Allison Explains Fractals =97 http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/define/fractals_defined.htm Sylvie Gallet's PHC and PTC formula tutorial =97 http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/phc/phc-tutor.html If...Else tutorial =97 http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/If_else.html Bradley Beacham's Formula tutorial =97 =20 http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/frm-tut/frm-tutor.html Wizzle's Help for FractInt Discussion List newcomers!! =97 http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/hints/fractint_list_q&a.htm Linda Allison's Tips and Hints for Using ParToBat (or how to have a l= ife AND generate a zillion fractals a day ;) ) http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519/epic.html FractInt Discussion List FractInt Discussion List archive =97 ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/fractint/archive/ 1997 Contest (thumbnails of all the entries) =97 http://www.fractalus.com/contest/ The 1997 Contest Kit (Re-create the magic at home!!) =97 http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/Contestk.zip Les St. Clair's Collection of Discussion List Pars & Formulas (all the pars and frms since August 1997) =97 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/fml.htm The iFAQ (collected topics from the list) =97 http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/iFAQ/iFAQ.html Copyrights Discussed (and discussed) =97 http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/copyright.zip ColorMaps collected and organized by Wizzle =97 http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/fractint_maps/newmaps.htm Dr. J's Fractal of the Night =97 http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/FotN/FotNindx.html Additional Programs & Utilities George Martin's Orgfrm program =97 http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/programs/ibmpc/orgfrm.zip Ron Barnett's MakeMap utility =97 http://members.aol.com/RBarn0001/makemap.zip Paul Carlson's AddGifs program =97 http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/addgifs.zip Thore Berntsen's FractInt Screensaver =97 http://home.sol.no/~thbernt/fintsave.htm Jim Prickett's XMAP and MMAP utilities =97 http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Way/9943 Michael Peter's Partobat utility =97 http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/programs/IBMPC/PARTOB.ZIP Infinite Fractal Loop Home Page =97 http://www.fractalus.com/ifl/ Graphical List =97 http://www.fractalus.com/ifl/list.htm Particularly Helpful Links Pages Wizzle's Graphlinks =97 http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/hints/graphlinks.htm Fractal merchandise (posters, mouse mats, t-shirts, etc.) Lifesmith =97 http://www.lifesmith.com/ Refractal Design Inc. (fractal jewelry) =97 http://www.refractal.com Fractal-Art Mailing List How to Subscribe =97 Subscribe: majordomo@aros.net "subscribe fractal-art" Post Message: fractal-art@aros.net Get Commands: majordomo@aros.net "help" Administrator: noring@netcom.com Unsubscribe: majordomo@aros.net "unsubscribe fractal-art" Archive =97 ftp://ftp.aros.net/pub/users/noring/fractal-art/ Jim Muth's current Fractal of the Day =97 http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html Jim Muth's Fractal of the Day (complete archive) =97 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/pars.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Japan & Linda Subject: (fractint) 2nd par Date: 09 May 1998 23:14:20 -0700 Hi, Here is the second par file I am submitting to this list. I spent most of the time trying to get the colors right. I did what I though it should end up like, then I tried other color maps that I have on my drive. I would like your comments. I still have a lot to learn. gb_galaxy01 { ; Collision of Galxies ; Calctime 0:00:09.51 at 1024x768 on a Pentium200MMX ; gbushta@zapcom.net reset=1960 type=mandel center-mag=-1.25933736077605500/+0.04084145989359493/2294.118/1/-67.5 params=2.5/0 float=y maxiter=99999999 inside=0 colors=000<27>000<6>oK2<6>ZL6<5>ne2qi1qi1<4>qm1qn0pn0on0nn0mm0<9>9a0<14>\ QI`RHbQGb<12>B2U90T92S<12>1T20W00Y0<6>0m00U0<5>0f10h20j20m30U0<9>0m3<2>0\ U2<5>8F2AC2AC2<18>11B00C00D00D<5>00f00k00r00z<8>00J<58>00` } Thanks in advance, Japan -- \\///// [P{) (O O) +----oOO-(_)-OOo------------+ | That upon which you dwell | | in the mind you become. | | ICQ:507219 | + ---==*> MIM <*==--- + Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Tiera-Zon coloring Date: 10 May 1998 00:09:09 -0700 I seem to have done it again. All the mail I received on May 6, 7 and 8 seems to have disappeared from my computer <:( Until it gets posted to the archives and I can download at least that portion of the missing mail, I'm feeling my way in the dark :) Again :) Kirvyn wrote: << . I must be really stupid, and embarrassed. I didn't see any documentation. Did it come with the program?>> She was talking about Tiera-Zon. I haven't seen any documentation, either, and just told someone else that there wasn't any. Was there something in the LOST-MAIL that I missed? If I blew it, someone please let me know so that I can set the record straight with my friend. You're not alone Kirvyn. I feel a little stupid and embarrassed, myself. Fortunately, however, it's a feeling that I'm quite used to and have learned to live with quite nicely, thank you! :))) Linda http://www.fractalus.com/gumbycat/ (last update 4/29/98) http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519 (last update 5/8/98) http://www.toptown.com/innercircle/gumbycat/index.html (last update 3/20/98) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) Resource List Date: 10 May 1998 00:12:49 -0700 Janet wrote: > Linda Allison's Tips and Hints for Using ParToBat (or how to have a life AND >generate a zillion fractals a day ;) ) > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519/epic.html I like the creative editing, Janet! That about sums it up! Linda Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Geoff Stanton" Subject: (fractint) nova frms Date: 10 May 1998 16:56:53 +0100 Hi I seem to have lost the Nova frm's. I especially need "DMJ-NOVA-SPI-DEC-I". Would any of you wonderful people please tell me where to download it. Cheers Geoff Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Carlson formu Date: 10 May 1998 09:58:18 -0700 OOOOOOOpppppssss!!! Let's try this again....thought something looked funny wiz_spiralvalley { ; AVW 5/9/98 new color map flx-blk2.map ; from a Paul Carlson formula reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=may98.frm formulaname=spir_stalks_jul corners=-0.53691921/-0.479572948/0.802008049/0.780418614/-0.505911627/0.\ 760664605 params=-0.36665/0.11573/0.02/0/8/30 float=y maxiter=251 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000zzc<28>cKA000<28>0000wz<27>03C00A000<28>000fOz<28>K0F000<28>00\ 0KKU<26>333222111000000<42>000 } There......colors!!! Lee Skinner wrote: > > Wiz, > > >> wiz_spiralvalley { ; AVW 5/9/98 new color map flx-blk1.map > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> inside=253 outside=summ colors=@flx-blk2.map cyclerange=1/240 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Now if I just had that flx-blk2.map! :-( > > Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) nova frms Date: 10 May 1998 10:19:49 -0700 Geoff... I have a link to the formulas off my homepage....in the "With Expert Assistance" section Geoff Stanton wrote: > > Hi > I seem to have lost the Nova frm's. > I especially need "DMJ-NOVA-SPI-DEC-I". > Would any of you wonderful people please tell me where to download it. > Cheers > Geoff > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HWeber8606 Subject: (fractint) Zooms into Carr2958 Date: 10 May 1998 14:04:56 EDT Hi, here are some more zooms into Carr2958. If you like these images visit my page and see more of them and download the pars. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JoWeber Enjoy --Jo-- c2958129 { ; t= 0:12:05.18 ; on a P233MMX at 1600x1200 May 10, 1998 20:00:13 ; Par and Image Copyright 1998 by Jo Weber ; e-mail to JoWeber@compuserve.com or HWeber8606@aol.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=carr2958 passes=t center-mag=-1.97616/-4.54662/22.4959 params=200/300/400/550 float=y maxiter=647 periodicity=0 colors=000000<4>00Q00V00Z00b00f00i<3>00r00r00s00r00r00p00n00l00i<2>00Z00\ V00Q<4>000<3>E2HI2LL3PO3TR4WU4ZW4aY5d_5e`5ga5ha5ib5ia5ia5h`5g_5eY5dW4aU4\ ZR4W<2>I2LE2HB1D719304000<2>IEEOJJUNNZRRcVVhZZlaapddsgguiixjjyllzllzmmzl\ lyllxjjuiisggpddlaa<2>ZRRUNNOJJ<2>644611<2>O44U55Z66c77h88l99pAAsBBuBBxB\ ByCCzCCzCC<2>xBBuBBsBBpAAl99<2>Z66U55O44<3>000<14>zmm<14>674241000<3>99O\ BBUDDZFFcHHhJJlKKpMMsNNuNNxOOyOOzPPz<2>NNxNNuMMsKKpJJl<2>DDZBBU99O<3>000\ <2>IE3OJ4UN5ZR6cV7hZ8la9pdAsgBuiBxjBylCzlCzmCzlCylCxjBuiBsgBpdAla9<2>ZR6\ UN5OJ4<3>000<30>000 } c2958135 { ; t= 0:34:20.64 ; on a P233MMX at 1600x1200 May 10, 1998 20:00:36 ; Par and Image Copyright 1998 by Jo Weber ; e-mail to JoWeber@compuserve.com or HWeber8606@aol.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=carr2958 passes=t center-mag=-1.66619574102549600/-3.70397073017177500/166.1826/1/-74.998 params=200/300/400/550 float=y maxiter=647 periodicity=0 colors=000B81<6>301<11>b0Ee0Ff5I<10>zzs<7>fV7cQ0`O0<2>SI0<6>P60<2>G00<4>\ 0Qc<6>8bcAdcDed<11>tupxwrzyt<7>ylDxj2wiK<3>vc4ua0ub3<3>vhJviNvjPwkR<7>zw\ u<13>wCM<7>H84<12>hMB<14>H84FB3PG3<6>zk0<3>0kk<2>WgD<3>CXF<7>KSDLSDMRCOQ\ BORA<2>OK8OH7OE6NB5PC6<7>eLAhMBiOD<2>mTInVJpYH<2>vdByg8yh5yi3yg3<2>ga3<2\ 5>D91 } c2958143 { ; t= 0:37:04.05 ; on a P233MMX at 1600x1200 May 10, 1998 20:00:56 ; Par and Image Copyright 1998 by Jo Weber ; e-mail to JoWeber@compuserve.com or HWeber8606@aol.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=carr2958 passes=t center-mag=-1.75655038157746900/-4.39929367874575700/51.72753/1/67.501 params=200/300/400/550 float=y maxiter=647 periodicity=0 colors=000R0A<3>b0Ee0Ff5I<10>zzs<7>fV7cQ0`O0<2>SI0<6>P60<2>G00<4>0Qc<6>8\ bcAdcDed<11>tupxwrzyt<7>ylDxj2wiK<3>vc4ua0ub3<3>vhJviNvjPwkR<7>zwu<13>wC\ M<7>H84<12>hMB<14>H84FB3PG3<6>zk0<3>0kk<2>WgD<3>CXF<7>KSDLSDMRCOQBORA<2>\ OK8OH7OE6NB5PC6<7>eLAhMBiOD<3>nVJ<3>vdByg8yh5yi3yg3<2>ga3<33>301<6>O09 } frm:Carr2958 {; Modified Sylvie Gallet frm. [101324,3444],1996 ; passes=1 needs to be used with this PHC formula. ; Converted to IF..ELSE logic by Sylvie Gallet, 02/21/98 b4 = abs(sinh(0.5+pixel/2))^3 - conj(0.1/pixel) - flip(0.1/pixel) + 0.5 if (whitesq) c = conj(b4)/10 + (-0.7456,-0.132) , z = zorig = sqr(b4) else c = - sqr(b4)/10 + (-0.7456,-0.132) , z = zorig = - conj(b4) endif imagp1 = imag(p1) , imagp2 = imag(p2) , bailout = 16 , iter = 0 : if (iter == p1) z = 0 , c = 0.15 * zorig + (-0.7456,-0.132) elseif (iter == imagp1) z = 0 , c = 0.225 * zorig + (-0.7456,-0.132) elseif (iter == p2) z = 0 , c = 0.3375 * zorig + (-0.7456,-0.132) elseif (iter == imagp2) z = 0 , c = 0.50625 * zorig + (-0.7456,-0.132) endif iter = iter + 1 z = z*z + c z <= bailout } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Janet Preslar Subject: (fractint) Among the Stars website Date: 10 May 1998 14:35:31 -0500 Finally, after months of work putting together first the show, and then t= he website, I invite you to visit the "Among the Stars" website which docume= nts a project whereby I was able to combine two of my passions =97 fractals and= ballet. http://www.ParkeNet.org/jp/amongstars.html Julian Adamaitis, Don Archer, Bud Christenson, Dan Finton, Sylvie Gallet,= Terry W. Gintz, Alice Kelley, Garr Lystad, Bill Rossi, Les St. Clair, and Sharo= n Webb each graciously contributed images to the project. It was great fun to he= ar the audience's very positive reaction to seeing these unique images projected onstage inbetween the ballets. We are all searching, I think, for ways to share our love of fractals wit= h others and this project was a great success in that regard. Over 500 peop= le saw the two performances and some, I hope, have taken time to visit the websi= te and to then follow the links to some of the best fractal galleries on the web. The site is graphics intensive, of course =97 not only with the fractals,= but with photographs from the production. I hope you'll take the time to visit and= to let me know what you think. Janet Preslar mailto:preslar@memphisonline.com http://www.ParkeNet.org/jp =97 My home page http://www.ParkeNet.org/jp/amongstars.html =97 Among the Stars Project Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Geoff Stanton" Subject: Re: (fractint) nova frms Date: 10 May 1998 20:40:43 +0100 > Geoff... > > I have a link to the formulas off my homepage....in the "With Expert Assistance" > section > Thanks. Just what I needed. Geoff Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cjc26@cornell.edu Subject: Re: (fractint) Octet Minibrot Date: 10 May 1998 17:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Hmm...I noticed in both of these pars (the ones Angela and Sylvie posted) that the colors part was about twice as long as it was in the original par I posted. Does that mean you were using a higher resolution with more colors? I've been trying to set fractint at *anything* higher than 640x480 256 colors, but I either get a very flickery screen or fractint says 'that mode is not recognized by your video card'. Now, under Windows NT I can display at 1024x768 with 65536 colors, with NO flicker, so why won't fractint display at that resolution? Does anyone know how to get rid of the flicker? --Cliff http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/cjc26/ civil rights are not special rights Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cjc26@cornell.edu Subject: (fractint) Deep zooming Date: 10 May 1998 17:46:41 -0400 (EDT) I've been playing around with making really deep zooms (~1e10 magnification, about a million or so iterations) of the Mandelbrot set. Here's some nice images I found. (I learned how to use the palette editor today so all the color maps are my own.:) DeepSpiral { ; Cliff Crawford 1998 reset=1960 type=mandel center-mag=-0.50875428780802620/+0.52145166417949960/4.388083e+010 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=500000 inside=0 logmap=12070 colors=000z00<14>ZZZccc<7>zzz<6>00z<15>zz0<15>z00<15>00z<15>0zm<30>J2LK0\ KK1K<30>0zm<15>0Mc<15>zzz<30>zd2zc0zd0<14>zz0<14>z40 } DeepMini { ; Cliff Crawford 1998 reset=1960 type=mandel center-mag=-1.55536216159586300/+0.00000944894898022/1.311388e+012/1.000\ 1/15.001/-0.007 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=2000000 inside=0 logmap=45495 colors=00000e<86>zzx<12>OzyLzzKzz<11>5zz3zz2zz0zz0zz<103>00600`<28>00`00\ a00c } --Cliff http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/cjc26/ civil rights are not special rights Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) Among the Stars website Date: 10 May 1998 18:22:46 -0400 At 02:35 PM 5/10/1998 -0500, you wrote: >Finally, after months of work putting together first the show, and then = the >website, I invite you to visit the "Among the Stars" website which documents a >project whereby I was able to combine two of my passions =97 fractals an= d ballet. > >http://www.ParkeNet.org/jp/amongstars.html (snipped) Quite a site! davides@pipeline.com ds30@umail.umd.edu Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Carlson formu Date: 10 May 1998 18:53:43 -0400 Hi wiz, >> wiz_spiralvalley { ; AVW 5/9/98 new color map flx-blk2.map ; from a Paul Carlson formula reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dmay98.frm formulaname=3Dspir_stalks_jul corners=3D-0.53691921/-0.479572948/0.802008049/0.780418614/-0.505911627= /0.\ 760664605 params=3D-0.36665/0.11573/0.02/0/8/30 float=3Dy maxiter=3D251= inside=3D253 outside=3Dsumm colors=3D000zzc<28>cKA000<28>0000wz<27>03C00A000<28>000fOz<28>K0F000<28= >00\ 0KKU<26>333222111000000<42>000 } << >>There......colors!!! Very nice! Here is what I came up with while waiting for your map: wzlspvl { ; = colors=3D000<14>z00<13>FB3<5>GN3HP3HR3IU3IU3<13>Oa0<11>OE4NB5PC6<18>xw6= zz5\ zx5<14>zH5zE6xE6<12>RB6OB6LA5J94H84F73000000<3>C04F05H15K25<8>gD1jF0kK6= <\ 7>zzs<7>fV7cQ0`O0<2>SI0<6>P60<2>G00<4>0Qc<6>8bcAdcDed<11>tupxwrzyt<7>yl= D\ xj2wiK<3>vc4ua0ub3<3>vhJviNvjPwkR<7>zwu<13>wCM<5>0bzN97H84 } Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: (fractint) periodicity=nnn on menu Date: 10 May 1998 18:12:03 -0600 Would folks like to see the commandline control periodicity=nnn promoted to menu status? It would be OK with me if this were a permanent fixture. However, periodicity could easy change. Maybe I could make a "top secret developer's menu page" that is sort of the analogy of the "top secret developer's status screen". The idea is that the menu would be for convenience, but we wouldn't promise to keep the commands or their syntax the same from version to version. To play devil's advocate, why would you want periodicity=nnn in a menu since entering it via the command is so easy? Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Valero Subject: Re: (fractint) Among the Stars website Date: 10 May 1998 19:28:21 -0400 At 02:35 PM 10/05/98 -0500, you wrote: >...I invite you to visit the "Among the Stars" website which documents a >project whereby I was able to combine two of my passions =97 fractals and ballet. > >http://www.ParkeNet.org/jp/amongstars.html >... I hope you'll take the time to visit and to let >me know what you think. > >Janet Preslar I can best express my admiration by saying only that I felt *good* while viewing this site. Congratulations on a labour of obvious love. It's a good thing I had no idea you were working on this or I would have become too impatient to see the results... Regards - Jack visit our fractal gallery: http://www.globalserve.net/~jval/phractal.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Janet Preslar Subject: Re: (fractint) Among the Stars website Date: 10 May 1998 18:34:26 -0500 Jack =97 Thanks for the nice comments. I have to agree that it was a labor of love= and I really had to remind myself of that as I encountered all sorts of obstacl= es along the way! But in the end the performance surpassed my expectations a= nd contributed a little beauty to this world. That's what counts! Janet Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Octet Minibrot Date: 10 May 1998 17:26:07 -0700 Cliff... 256 colors is the max for fractint. I used one of the color maps available at http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/hints/graphic_hints.htm Lots of people contributed color maps in both map format (zipped) and par format. You can download a few and maybe play around a bit to see how they work on your own images. Angela cjc26@cornell.edu wrote: > > Hmm...I noticed in both of these pars (the ones Angela and Sylvie posted) > that the colors part was about twice as long as it was in the original > par I posted. Does that mean you were using a higher resolution with > more colors? > > --Cliff > http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/cjc26/ > > civil rights are not special rights > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: Re: (fractint) Among the Stars website Date: 10 May 1998 21:27:16 -0400 Janet, I greatly enjoyed visiting this beautiful site. Being on this list, I naturally valued the fractals, but I was very much impressed with the great photography too. This site is an interesting combination of three art forms. Gedeon Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cjc26@cornell.edu Subject: Re: (fractint) periodicity=nnn on menu Date: 10 May 1998 21:41:30 -0400 (EDT) On Sun, 10 May 1998, Tim Wegner wrote: > To play devil's advocate, why would you want periodicity=nnn in a > menu since entering it via the command is so easy? Because not all of us newbies know about the command. In fact, this newbie doesn't even know what 'periodicity=nnn' does in the first place :) --Cliff http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/cjc26/ civil rights are not special rights Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Got a new printer Date: 10 May 1998 22:04:04 -0400 (EDT) On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, Earl Simpson wrote: > The only way to go is Epson Stylus 800 color printer. > Resolution varies from 180x180 dpi to 1440 x 720 dpi (the highest available > on any printer) Well, this is technically not quite true. There are color printing machines (usually used in publishing houses) that can do 2100 x 2100 dpi, but they cost tens of thousands of dollars. And Intel has some machines that can print 75,000 x 75,000 dpi or so, but they generally don't print in color. They use them to make Pentiums, among other things. :) Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: RE: (fractint) Anyone porting... Date: 10 May 1998 22:47:57 -0400 (EDT) On Sat, 2 May 1998, Turner W. Rentz, III wrote: > A sad footnote here is that the post to the list, is C++ source code > for a new fractint program ; not one person responded to that - There are appropriate places to put a megabyte of C++ for a new fractint. Mailing lists are not among them. There are appropriate places to announce having put such things on a web site. The fractint-devel list (isn't that what it's called?) is one of them. The fractint list is moderately appropriate. > I have chosen you essentially at random; if you know of anyone > who sees the computer source code as something other than > "spam" please let me know; we might can work together to get > this code written. When you say `chosen you essentially at random', who are you referring to? The mailing list to which you sent the half-hearted apology I'm responding to? > I believe the stone soup group still exists somewhere... Yes. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VRCH78B@prodigy.com (MR CHARLES F CROCKER) Subject: (fractint) Ver 20 additions Date: 10 May 1998 22:48:14, -0500 Hi All I don't know how close Ver 20 is and I wouldn't want to make any changes that would slow it down. I have had a few words with Tim about a couple of changes that make sense to me. Let's see if I am a minority of one in these areas. Quotes are from Tim. >To play devil's advocate, why would you want periodicity=nnn in a >menu since entering it via the command is so easy? I wouldn't mind what menu it might appear on or leave it still to the command if the default were none. Entry from the command doesn't stick. Don't all inside coloring methods really depend on the itteration being run to the limit? Prematurely pulling out would leave the exit data depending on the periodicity function. Except for pictures with large high count areas the time saved wouldn't be much, particularly where processor speeds are getting so high. Even my P90 is 4000 times as fast as the system I started with 12 years ago. >Our reasoning (2which may not suit everyone) is that viewwindows >parameters are similar to video modes (maybe part of the "video >mode"). They are likely to be relative to a user's setup, so they >are not written to PAR files. I have noticed a few that use viewwindow for specil effects. My view has been that the default mode is great for previewing a slow scan, but of little utility beyond that. It's a sticky command that has to be explicity revoked. When it has been set it is written into a par file and included with the saved gif file. This can result in one picture in a series upsetting how another is displayed. Writing it into everything saved would solve things without having having to change its status. While I am up on my soapbox lets throw in one more item. Has the formulfile entry in parameter files outlived its usefullnes. Fractint searches fast and Orgform keeps the number of files to a minimum. With everyone keeping a different file arrangement one of the things I do in editing a posted par file is to delete the formulaname entry. The only trouble spot I see is that it might be necessary when the formula is burried in the parameter file. Admittedly this doesn't save much time, but why go looking in the wrong place first? Enough for now. Charles Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VRCH78B@prodigy.com (MR CHARLES F CROCKER) Subject: (fractint) Ver 20 additions Date: 10 May 1998 22:58:52, -0500 Hi All My apoligies for poor editing. It suddenly struck me that I said formula name in one place where I obviously meant formulafile. Charles Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: (fractint) Fiddling around Date: 10 May 1998 23:13:39 -0400 A couple of "quickies": Fiddling_around { ; David Shanholtzer ; color map: dav41a reset=1960 type=mandel passes=t center-mag=-1.86177671495885500/-0.00000359488877766/95.72032 params=0.000315/0 float=y maxiter=575 inside=260 outside=atan colors=_7YM00<37>w65w65v65<67>F1FE0GG1I<12>lLq<30>G1IE0GF0G<29>jAglBhlBh\ <33>F1HE0GE0GE0G<25>J02J01K00L00 } Fiddling_around2 { ; David Shanholtzer ; color map: dsgoldsilver reset=1960 type=mandel passes=t center-mag=-1.86177671495885500/-0.00000359488877766/95.72032 params=0.000315/0 float=y maxiter=575 inside=260 outside=atan colors=000SHB<6>yhW<22>A20111<32>zzw<22>111MC7<6>yhW<14>A20000<55>000000\ 111222<36>zzw<42>111A20<2>OD8 } Regards, davides@pipeline.com ds30@umail.umd.edu Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: (fractint) Double Exposure Dragons Formula Date: 10 May 1998 22:49:29 -0500 (CDT) comment { This formula applies the "double exposure" rendering method to the Julia sets of Newtons's solution of (w*w-1)*(w*w+c)=0. The coordinates for the Julia sets were picked off two of the midgets from the pars included with the Dbl_Expos_Newt1 formula. The second par I made especially for Linda (Gumbycat) who really liked the image with the midget that was used for that Julia set. The degree of symmetry in these images is the same as that of the the images containing the midgets from which the Julia set coordinates were picked. Sometime in the near (I hope) future I'll go into detail on how to find the tiny "dragons" (they're infinite in number in a properly chosen Newton Julia set). I hope you enjoy these double exposure dragons - they are probably different than any Julia dragons you've seen before (at least their surroundings are). Paul Carlson } frm:Dbl_Exp_Newt1_J {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 ; ; real(p1) = a factor controlling the size of the stalks ; imag(p1) = minimum iterations ; real(p2) = convergence test distance ; imag(p2) = color scheme: ; 1 = 8 ranges, 30 colors per range (default) ; 2 = 2 ranges, 125 colors per range ; p3 = Julia set coordinates ; z = bailout = iter = range_num = dist = 0 w = pixel c = p3 cm1 = c - 1 tcm1 = cm1 + cm1 sc = sqrt(-c) stalk_width = real(p1) skip_iters = imag(p1) cdist = real(p2) IF (imag(p2) == 2) num_ranges = 2 colors_in_range = 125 ELSE num_ranges = 8 colors_in_range = 30 ENDIF index_factor = (colors_in_range - 1) / stalk_width : w2 = w * w w = w - (w2 * w2 + cm1 * w2 - c) / (4 * w2 * w + tcm1 * w) ; IF (iter > skip_iters) IF (abs(real(w)) <= abs(imag(w))) min_dist = abs(real(w)) ELSE min_dist = abs(imag(w)) ENDIF IF (dist == 0 && min_dist < stalk_width) dist = min_dist ENDIF IF (|w + (-1,0)| < cdist) bailout = 1 ELSEIF (|w + (1,0)| < cdist) bailout = 1 ELSEIF (|w + sc| < cdist) bailout = 1 ELSEIF (|w - sc| < cdist) bailout = 1 ENDIF ENDIF IF (bailout == 1) z = index_factor * dist + range_num * colors_in_range + 1 ENDIF range_num = range_num + 1 IF (range_num == num_ranges) range_num = 0 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter bailout == 0 && |w| < 1.0e20 } dbexntj1 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dbexnt1j.frm formulaname=dbl_exp_newt1_j passes=t center-mag=-0.05562763234306169/+0.05462019519570405/2806.978\ /1/-44.999 params=0.1/50/1e-007/2/0.99933510184/0.03646053069 float=y maxiter=3000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000zz0<123>aG0zzz<123>VVV000<3>000 } dbexntj2 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dbexnt1j.frm formulaname=dbl_exp_newt1_j passes=t center-mag=-0.04970475011584191/+0.05511014311616688/951.9526\ /1/-160 params=0.1/10/1e-007/1/30.450762553/-0.006872433 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00\ zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<13>000 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: (fractint) correction Date: 10 May 1998 22:58:15 -0500 (CDT) In my "Double Exposure Dragons Formula" posting a few minutes ago I mistakenly said I made the second par especially for Linda (Gumbycat). Wrong - I should have said the first par, not the second one. Paul Carlson Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: (fractint) FC2K images Date: 10 May 1998 21:02:55 -0700 (MST) Recently, Rollo Silver posted, soliciting contributions to the 2000 Fractal Calendar. Here, for you Fractint enjoyment, are some of the images I submitted. Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com frm:nearline01_jul { ; Kerry Mitchell ; ; color Julia sets with nearest approach to a given line ; line given by parameter c (first iterate of 0) ; so color lines pass through 0 on first iteration ; ; use outside=iter, decomp=256 ; p1 = Julia parameter ; real(p2) = bailout (large--try 1e12) ; zc is the variable used for iteration, z for coloring ; zc=pixel, c=p1, maxr=real(p2), minr=maxr ct=imag(c), st=real(c), iter=1: ; ; iteration ; find distance to line, r ; if r < minimum, update minimum to r ; iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c, rzc=|zc| r=|ct*real(zc)-st*imag(zc)| if (rmaxr)||(iter==maxit)) iter=-1 angle=log(minr) z=cos(angle)+flip(sin(angle)) end if iter>0 } frm:bubbleboth_jul { ; Kerry Mitchell ; ; color Julia sets with small bubbles ; filled with swirls (combination of rays and circles) ; ; use outside=iter, decomp=256 ; p1 = Julia parameter ; real(p2) = bailout (at least 4) ; imag(p2) = radius of bubble (try ~ .1) ; real(p3) = amount of circles (0 for only rays, try 0.5) ; imag(p3) = amount of rays (0 for only circles, try 0.5) ; zc is the variable used for iteration, z for coloring ; zc=pixel, c=p1, maxr=real(p2), minr=imag(p2), scale=2*pi/minr minset=0, iter=1, rzc=cabs(zc), minzc=zc weight=real(p3)+imag(p3) weightc=real(p3)/weight, weightr=imag(p3)/weight ; ; initial check: see if pixel magnitude falls within threshold ; if so, set minset flag, update minimum to current magnitude ; if (rzcmaxr)||(iter==maxit)) iter=-1 anglec=scale*minr, angler=imag(log(minzc)) angle=weightc*anglec+weightr*angler z=(cos(angle)+flip(sin(angle)))*minset end if iter > 0 } frm:ave8xlty_man { ; Kerry Mitchell 13feb98 ; real(p1) = bailout (try 10) ; imag(p1) = rounding factor (try 1) ; real(p2) = inner coloring speed (0 for outer only) ; imag(p2) = outer coloring speed (0 for inner only) ; fn1 = arbitrary function (try log) zc=0, c=pixel, iter=1, maxr=real(p1), count=0 b1=maxr, fac=b1^0.125, b2=b1*fac, b3=b2*fac b4=b3*fac, b5=b4*fac, b6=b5*fac, b7=b6*fac, b8=b7*fac iter1=iter2=iter3=iter4=iter5=iter6=iter7=iter8=0 inspeed=real(p2)*pi*255/128, roundfac=imag(p1) outspeed=imag(p2)*pi*255/128: iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c, r2zc=|zc| temp=fn1(zc)/roundfac, frac=roundfac*(temp-round(temp)) if (real(frac)b1) if (iter1==0) iter1=iter, q1=count/iter endif if (r2zc>b2) if (iter2==0) iter2=iter, q2=count/iter endif if (r2zc>b3) if (iter3==0) iter3=iter, q3=count/iter endif if (r2zc>b4) if (iter4==0) iter4=iter, q4=count/iter endif if (r2zc>b5) if (iter5==0) iter5=iter, q5=count/iter endif if (r2zc>b6) if (iter6==0) iter6=iter, q6=count/iter endif if (r2zc>b7) if (iter7==0) iter7=iter, q7=count/iter endif if (r2zc>b8) if (iter8==0) iter8=iter, q8=count/iter endif iter=-1 q=(q1+q2+q3+q4+q5+q6+q7+q8)*0.125 angle=q*outspeed z=cos(angle)+flip(sin(angle)) endif endif endif endif endif endif endif endif if (iter==maxit) q=count/iter angle=q*inspeed z=cos(angle)+flip(sin(angle)) iter=-1 end if iter>0 } frm:gaussinttot_jul { ; Kerry Mitchell ; ; Gaussian integer coloring of Julia sets ; color by average distance to nearest integer ; inside and outside handled the same way ; ; use decomp=256 ; p1 = Julia parameter ; real(p2) = bailout (try 1e12) ; imag(p2) = scaling factor (try 30) ; variable zc used for calculation; coloring done with z ; zc=pixel, c=p1, rmax=real(p2), scale=imag(p2) iter=1, rmin=1, z=zc, tot=0: ; ; iteration ; zr = gaussian integer ; r = distance to zr ; zmin = integer with minimum distance ; tot = running sum of r's ; iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c, rzc=|zc| zr=round(zc), r=|zc-zr|, tot=tot+r ; ; bailout ; scale average distance to decomp angle ; set "iteration done" flag (iter=-1) ; if ((rzc>rmax)||(iter==maxit)) angle=scale*tot/(iter-1) z=cos(angle)+flip(sin(angle)) iter=-1 end if iter>0 } frm:gaussintr_man { ; Kerry Mitchell ; ; Gaussian integer coloring of Mandelbrot set ; color by magnitude of nearest gaussian integer ; inside and outside handled the same way ; ; use decomp=256 ; real(p1) = bailout (try 1e12) ; variable zc used for calculation; coloring done with z ; zc=0, c=pixel, iter=1, rmax=real(p1), rmin=1: ; ; iteration ; zr = gaussian integer ; r = distance to zr ; zmin = integer with minimum distance ; iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c, zr=round(zc), r=|zc-zr|, if (rrmax)||(iter==maxit)) iter=-1 angle=log(cabs(zmin)+1) z=cos(angle)+flip(sin(angle)) end if iter>0 } paint { ; "Splatter Paint" copyright 1998 Kerry Mitchell reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=gaussintr_man passes=1 center-mag=-0.81049181278603110/+0.20246399896589420/320.1844/1.333333 params=4/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 decomp=256 periodicity=0 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 cyclerange=0/255 colors=000000O00k00z80zW0zs0zzGzzczzzbzzFzz0qz0Uz06z00i00M100P00l00z90zX\ 0zt0zzIzzexzz`zzDzz0pz0Tz05z00h00L300R00n00zB0zZ0zv0zzJzzfwzz_zzCzz0nz0R\ z03z00f00J400S00o00zC0z_0zw0zzLzzhuzzYzzAzz0mz0Qz02z00e00I600U00q00zE0za\ 0zy0zzMzzitzzXzz9zz0kz0Oz00z00c00G700V00r00zF0zb0zz0zzOzzkrzzVzz7zz0jz0N\ z00z00b00F900X00t00zH0zd0zz1zzPzzlqzzUzz6zz0hz0Lz00x00`00DA00Y00u00zI0ze\ 0zz3zzRzznozzSzz4zz0gz0Kz00w00_00CC00_00w00zK0zg0zz4zzSzzonzzRzz3zz0ez0I\ z00u00Y00AD00`00x00zL0zh0zz6zzUzzqlzzPzz1zz0dz0Hz00t00X009F00b00z00zN0zj\ 0zz7zzVzzrkzzOzz0zz0bz0Fz00r00V007G00c00z00zO0zk0zz9zzXzztizzMzz0yz0az0E\ z00q00U006I00e00z20zQ0zm0zzAzzYzzuhzzLzz0wz0_z0Cz00o00S004J00f00z30zR0zn\ 0zzCzz_zzwfzzJzz0vz0Zz0Bz00n00R003L00h00z50zT0zp0zzDzz`zzxezzIzz0tz0Xz09\ z00l00P001M00i00z60zU0zq0zzFzzbzzzczzGzz0sz0Wz08z00k00O } nebula { ; copyright 1998 Kerry Mitchell reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=gaussinttot_jul passes=1 center-mag=-0.51143775992349360/+0.17382528491600080/63.77551/1.333333 params=0.28/0.005/1e12/100 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 decomp=256 periodicity=0 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 cyclerange=0/255 colors=GTg<17>AKYAJXAJWAIVAIU<2>8GS8GR8FR8FQ7EP<27>001000001<37>AJXBKXBK\ YBLYCLZ<18>HUiIViIVjJWkJWk<19>RetRftSftSgtTgt<2>UivVjvVjvVjv<2>YlwYlwZmw\ Zmx_nx<8>crydsyesyftygty<2>jvzjwzkwzlwz<4>tzzzzztzz<4>lwzkwzjvzivzhuz<10\ >`px`ox_ox_nxZnx<5>WkvVjvVjvViv<10>QdsPcrPcrObqObq<19>HTh } shades-of-meaning { ; copyright 1998 Kerry Mitchell reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=average.frm formulaname=ave8xlty_man function=recip center-mag=-0.5/0/0.6/1.333333/-90 params=100/2/1/1 float=y maxiter=256 inside=0 decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=zzzvzz<3>qyzpyzpxz<9>jvzivzivziuz<16>bqyaqyaqyapyapyapy<2>_oy_oy_\ ox_oxZnx<23>ThuThuThuTguSguSgu<57>HThHThGThGTgGSgGSg<39>9IW9IV9IV9HU9HU<\ 69>000 cyclerange=0/255 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 } horse { ; "Just Seahorsin' Around" copyright 1998 Kerry Mitchell reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=ave8z1gtz2_man viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 center-mag=-0.74359110937120150/+0.13797992562328580/124.0249/1.333333/-78 params=1410065408/0/2/4 float=y maxiter=4000 inside=0 decomp=256 periodicity=0 cyclerange=0/255 colors=00M<5>004001100<20>z00<20>zz0<19>zzwzzzxzz<18>4zz1zz0yz<20>00z<20\ >000000<20>z00<19>zv0zy0zz1<20>zzz<20>0zz<20>00z<12>00P } elephant-down { ; copyright 1998 Kerry Mitchell ; How do you get down from a duck? ; You don't--you get down from an elephant. reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=bubbleboth_jul passes=1 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 center-mag=-0.327896/0.602347/1.964667/1.333333 decomp=256 params=0.3/0.01/1000/0.24175/3/1 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 colors=000<10>00t00z20z50z70zA0z<7>o0z<2>w6tz9qzDm<10>zz0<10>Uz0Rz0Px0Nu\ 0Ls0Ip0<3>BW0<2>380001006<8>00p00v00z<2>80zB0zG0z<4>e0zk0zo0z<3>zAp<11>z\ z0<11>Rz0<2>Kr0Io0Gj0Fe0D_0BU08M05E0360002<9>00r00w10z30z60z80zC0z<5>g0z\ l0zp1ys3wu5ux7szBo<9>zs7zw3yz0<10>Tz0Qy0Ow0Mt0Kr0In0Gi0Ec0CZ0<3>240003<1\ 0>00x10z40z60z90zD0z<5>h0zm0zq1ys3wv6ty8r<11>zx2xz0<11>Qy0Ov0Lt0Jq0Hm0Fg\ 0Eb0CY0<3>120 cyclerange=0/255 periodicity=0 } warrior { ; copyright 1998 Kerry Mitchell reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=nearline01_jul center-mag=0/0/0.8069145/1.2294/-11 params=-0.125/0.649519052838/1000000/0 float=y maxiter=256 inside=0 decomp=256 periodicity=0 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 cyclerange=0/255 colors=r01<7>z00z00z11<60>zyyzzzyyz<60>11z00z00z00y<60>001000001<54>q01 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: Re: (fractint) periodicity=nnn on menu Date: 11 May 1998 00:27:34 -0700 At 06:12 PM 5/10/98 -0600, Tim wrote: >Would folks like to see the commandline control periodicity=nnn >promoted to menu status? >... >To play devil's advocate, why would you want periodicity=nnn in a >menu since entering it via the command is so easy? Oh, I don't know. Because I'm lazy and my memory's flakey? Also because I'd like to be able to easily check its status. Bud Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Terry W. Gintz" Subject: (fractint) fractint v20 and beyond Date: 11 May 1998 01:48:39 -0700 Now that I am out of the shareware market, perhaps people won't accuse me of having "vested" interests in the following criticism. I don't use Fractint, per se, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see improvements made in it, especially the user-interface. Anyone afraid of having some of their most basic beliefs in Fractint challenged need not read on. New to this list, I'm not quite sure of the direction of Fractint, but I've been told that it will presumably support true color in the version after v20. I'm getting the strong feeling, just from the brief time I've had to browse the numerous messages on the list, that the programmers of Fractint intend to keep the same DOS-style interface in future versions. If that isn't the case, then the following may be overstated, but if true... IMO, this is a big mistake, as WinFract could have much more than its present psuedo-Windows-compatible content. More on this below. With all the hype I have read about the greatness of Fractint, why is it so hard for its programmers to get a real handle on Windows programming? Is it because to understand Windows coding, you have to like Windows? It all goes back to the original demand for maximum speed, and the apparent overhead of Windows that makes graphics "unacceptably" slow. Like the DOS interface, this notion is obsolete. Fractal programming benefits from assembly-language coding, true, but Windows certainly doesn't restrict the programmer there. Almost all the speed-up techniques Fractint uses in its DOS version can be applied in a Windows program. What is left to complain about? Mainly that the screen can't be drawn in a second or two, like a DOS program can do by getting "under" the system's graphics layers. So for the sake of a few seconds draw time, the most powerful version of Fractint(not necessarily the most powerful fractal program anymore) keeps a character-based windowing interface and an archaic help system. I have some reservations about whether the screen-draw time is even an issue these days, as I have a Windows program that draws Fractint's opening screen(the Mandelbrot set) in true color in 4 seconds or less(800X600 at 233 Mhz) without the extensive optimization that Fractint uses(like symmetry and periodocity.) The combination of assembly language and solid guessing is as effective in Windows as in DOS. Or are there other considerations we aren't being informed about? Is it the screen draw time, or plain stubbornness, or just incompetence? I don't throw this out lightly. I've used WinFract some in Windows 3.1, and that was hardly a graceful multitask promoting program. Numerous bugs made it crash or mess up Windows. The help file was much abbreviated from the full DOS version, which made it hard to understand some features without reading the DOS help file. No attempt to upgrade this poor showing to a Windows 95 program. Even less attempt to include what the DOS version of Fractint now includes. I would welcome a chance to contribute to a genuine Windows 95 version of Fractint, one that would once and for all lay the "DOS" version to rest. (Who today prefers the DOS command line interface to the clarity and elegance of Windows 95? Or it need not be compared to Windows 95, but any up-to-date windowing system, such as Macintosh or X-Windows...) I couldn't make this offer when my programs were still shareware, but I'd sure like to improve the quality of fractal artistry as it now stands. There is much in my own programs that would add to the power of Fractint, including true color, AVI and midi support. The problem I have now is deciphering much of the abstract(optimizing) code that Fractint has accumulated over the years. Maybe there is a master decryption log to explain all the routines in Fractint's source code, because as it is distributed now, no one programmer could understand it all(without a log book.) If there is any attempt to keep a Windows 95 version current and maintainable, complete documentation for all source code, as well as program options, is necessary. Any comments, Tim? Best Regards, Terry W. Gintz -- twgg@ix.netcom.com http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/5601/ http://www.zenweb.com/pan/rayn/twg/ http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/palette/31/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: RE: (fractint) fractint v20 and beyond Date: 11 May 1998 06:42:41 -0400 I'm sorry, but when a drawing takes 7 weeks to finish, DOS *IS* faster = than windows. Pete // -----Original Message----- // From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com // [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Terry W. = Gintz // Sent: Monday, May 11, 1998 4:49 AM // To: fractint@lists.xmission.com // Subject: (fractint) fractint v20 and beyond // =20 // =20 [snipped] Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Petr Lobaz Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint v20 and beyond Date: 11 May 1998 13:23:27 +0200 (MET DST) You think of windows menus? It means that you MUST do everything using mouse, then put your hands on the keyboard, move with mouse, type another information and so on. I bet that I can work with current version of Fractint several times faster than with this strange combination of mouse and keyboard. And to make everything available from mouse control? This contolling of program would be so SLOOOW. You asked for people who like DOS command line. Command.com doesn't have such nice features like for example Bourne Again Shell (bash), but I can work with DOS prompt much faster than with mouse. Don't forget that many programmers are quite good keyboard users. Petr Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) fractint v20 Date: 11 May 1998 08:26:24 -0400 Terry, >>Who today prefers the DOS command line interface to the clarity and elegance of Windows 95? << I prefer the clarity, elegance and speed of DOS! Lee Skinner Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) periodicity=n Date: 11 May 1998 08:26:26 -0400 Cliff, >>Because not all of us newbies know about the command. In fact, thi= s newbie doesn't even know what 'periodicity=3Dnnn' does in the first place= << Newbies should first execute the command "Fractint makedoc", print out fractint.doc, and then spend a little time studying the documentation. Lo= ts of good stuff in there! Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Janet Preslar Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint v20 and beyond Date: 11 May 1998 07:32:26 -0500 Just my two cents worth . . . I have not generated more than a dozen fractals in more than a year because I could not afford to give up the time on my old and very slow machine which forced me to choose between making a fractal or doing all of the other things I use a computer for. Yet I have kept up with this list, and read each message, in the hopes that one day I would upgrade my hardware and be able to catch up with the rest of you. So last month I did just that. I now have a PII/333, 8M of video RAM, a 19" monitor AND a video card that is not compatible with FractInt. Now I did my research on video cards, asking for advice from this list, and I got a few answers about what works but none on which cards don't work. So I bought the system which (I thought) best suited my needs. I have asked for and received as much help from the list as it apparently is capable of giving. And I've found that there are at least two other users with the same card (Diamond Fire GL 1000) who are equally as frustrated as I. I have installed Display Doctor which says that I now have 59 modes available that FractInt cannot communicate with. I am seeking help from both Diamond and SciTech, but I am none too optimistic. My question is: if FractInt continues to be a DOS program, what is going to happen as the rest of you upgrade and find that fewer and fewer video card manufacturers provide any sort of VESA or DOS support? From all I can tell, that is more likely to happen than is the move to Windows. I vote for someone taking Terry up on his offer to help. Sorry for the harangue, guys, but my frustration level is rather high these days. Janet Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Filtering images with Fractint Date: 11 May 1998 09:06:05 -0400 (EDT) On Sat, 2 May 1998, Weldon Morgan wrote: > Part of the reason I became interested in Fractint had to do with the > possibility of improving the resolution of photographic images through the > use of fractel technology. As I understand it, one can use the fractel > algorithm to simulate the pixel information that does not exist in the > original image. Does anyone on this list have any information on this > process, or can point me in the right direction I haven't heard of the idea. Sounds interesting. There's going to be a finite limit to your improvements, though, even if it's possible to do this at all, on information-theoretic grounds. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Valero Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint v20 and beyond Date: 11 May 1998 09:06:24 -0400 At 01:48 AM 11/05/98 -0700, Terry Gintz wrote: >Now that I am out of the shareware market, perhaps people won't accuse me >of having "vested" interests in the following criticism. As you don't seem to have made a concentrated marketing effort, I doubt any such accusations would be warranted or worth considering. >With all the hype I have read about the greatness of Fractint, why is it >so hard for its programmers to get a real handle on Windows programming? I have the impression that it is not that they can't; it is that they just haven't been interested. Instead, they have concentrated on adding features and improvements. Given a choice between these or a more modern interface, I personally prefer the former. >Is it because to understand Windows coding, you have to like Windows? It >all goes back to the original demand for maximum speed, and the apparent >overhead of Windows that makes graphics "unacceptably" slow. Like the >DOS interface, this notion is obsolete. >.. I have some reservations about whether the >screen-draw time is even an issue these days, as I have a Windows program >that draws Fractint's opening screen(the Mandelbrot set) in true color in >4 seconds or less(800X600 at 233 Mhz) without the extensive optimization >that Fractint uses(like symmetry and periodocity.) I actually like the Windows and Mac interfaces but I also still like MS-DOS. I am not a Luddite but because I hate compulsive consumerism I still use an antiquated 486-DX 100 with 20 megs ram and a 550 hard disk. I keep considering upgrading but for the graphic work I do, a middle road Pentium seems only to be about twice as fast in real world terms. 8 hour renderings would only take 4 but this is still too long to sit and watch. I cope quite well by running them overnight. GUI programs are certainly easier to use and much friendlier than DOS based ones. Still, even my tired computer is a miracle compared to my early 64k 8080(?) boxes with 5 meg hard disks. But whereas my old WordStar word processor used 90k (not a typo) of disk space current wps typically use 20 megs or more and this is typical of powerful gui based programs. In reality, for core functionality, my current wonder box is no more powerful, bigger or faster than my old systems. As very much a former programmer, I realize that it doesn't *have* to be this way but in the real world it is. Programmers understandably find it easier and faster to use high level languages, libraries, etc than assembly. It is also tempting to forget about optimization because it is so easy to rely on today's typical machine speeds to compensate for their lack. Windows is not nearly the encumbrance some would have us believe, but it does add another layer of code to be executed, etc, etc. This has to slow things down at least a bit. I suspect there are a lot more users in similar circumstances than we would like to admit. So for me, sometimes there is still room for old-style dos programs. But if the mantra is "upgrade, upgrade, upgrade" I agree with most of what you have said. Dos lovers will undoubtably regale you with stories of keyboard speed vs mouse but they are ignoring the amount of time invested to make all those arcane and illogical key combinations second nature. Besides, when the image rendering takes so long, how significant is a second or two of entry speed saved? (Not to mention that gui programs can, and do, offer keyboard equivalents as well) >Or are there other considerations we aren't being informed about? Is it >the screen draw time, or plain stubbornness, or just incompetence? I >don't throw this out lightly. I've used WinFract some in Windows 3.1, >and that was hardly a graceful multitask promoting program. Numerous >bugs made it crash or mess up Windows. The help file was much >abbreviated from the full DOS version, which made it hard to understand >some features without reading the DOS help file. No attempt to upgrade >this poor showing to a Windows 95 program. Even less attempt to include >what the DOS version of Fractint now includes. Again, my impression is that WinFract was a quick port by a single person intended only to give a taste of fractals to the Windows restricted user. I never had it corrupt Windows although it did occasionally crash. But no program I have ever used extensively (dos or windows) has failed to crash for me at one time or another. In the Fractint world, WinFract might almost be considered an aberration. I agree that in general WinFract is a terrible example of Windows programming but that's because underneath it all, it isn't really a Windows program. It is unfair to base your complaints on it. Fractint is not evenly remotely related to perfection and I am not married to it. But of the fractal generators I have used it seems to have the greatest flexibility, the most options, the best documentation and an absolutely huge and active following. This has made Fractint not so much a program as an experience- not a bad thing. This notwithstanding, I frequently find features in other Windows fractal generators that I dearly would love to see in Fractint. Bottom line- no single program is likely to become all things to all people but Fractint has been a brave effort. >The problem I have now is >deciphering much of the abstract(optimizing) code that Fractint has >accumulated over the years. Maybe there is a master decryption log to >explain all the routines in Fractint's source code, because as it is >distributed now, no one programmer could understand it all(without a log >book.) If there is any attempt to keep a Windows 95 version current and >maintainable, complete documentation for all source code, as well as >program options, is necessary. This time, I think you are understating the problem. I have managed large teams of personnel, motivated by salaries, and it was difficult enough to keep them on track. Trying to control a group of unpaid programmers separated by geography, time and programming philosophy may approach the miraculous! I am not minimizing the efforts of the Fractint programmers when I say that Fractint owes its status not to its coders, but its users. It is far from perfect but it has depth. You should not be surprised if its users defend it passionately. Regards - Jack visit our fractal gallery: http://www.globalserve.net/~jval/phractal.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint v20 and beyond Date: 11 May 1998 07:16:01 -0700 I for one would very very much like a fully (more or less) functional Winfract. Since most of my Winders programs use "hotkeys", I'm assuming the mousely objections could be overcome. A Shift+key combo comes to mind. Now...I also like to run Fractint under DOS...but....there are times when I'd prefer to stay in true Winders and multi-task. Why....I could let Winfract render in the background while chatting!!!! or posting all those pars and frms!!!! I can live without color cycling in a Winfract version, but the addition of being able to construct a color map would be a very useful one. I know I can do that quite nicely in some of the existing winders-based fractal programs.....but NO sliders please!!! a nice little pallet like we have now. Think of the very simple need to view all the pars posted to this list........wouldn't it be nice to have them rendering while composing scintillating comments to the authors? All problems with winders aside.......multitasking is better than using at a single DOS app, no matter how fast. Angela Petr Lobaz wrote: > > You think of windows menus? It means that you MUST do everything using > mouse, then put your hands on the keyboard, move with mouse, type > another information and so on. I bet that I can work with current version > of Fractint several times faster than with this strange combination of > mouse and keyboard. And to make everything available from mouse control? > This contolling of program would be so SLOOOW. You asked for people who > like DOS command line. Command.com doesn't have such nice features like > for example Bourne Again Shell (bash), but I can work with DOS prompt much > faster than with mouse. Don't forget that many programmers are quite good > keyboard users. > > Petr Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) periodicity=n Date: 11 May 1998 07:18:25 -0700 Lee... I did that after Bob Margolis suggested it to me off line. But...this is one of those chicken and egg things for a newbie like me....I don't know about makedoc until I read the documentation....which I can read after I use makedoc......and I learn about makedoc from the documentation......and ..... Angela Lee Skinner wrote: > > Cliff, > > >>Because not all of us newbies know about the command. In fact, this > newbie doesn't even know what 'periodicity=nnn' does in the first place << > > Newbies should first execute the command "Fractint makedoc", print out > fractint.doc, and then spend a little time studying the documentation. Lots > of good stuff in there! > > Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint v20 and beyond Date: 11 May 1998 07:39:29 -0700 Jack... I think your comments were right on!!! I'd like to add that when I'm going to seriously work on fractals, I'm always going to choose the DOS version of Fractint. But there are often times when I'm in "mess around mode" and a Winfract that could at least "see" all the new pars would be my choice......even with it's other current limitations. Angela Jack Valero wrote: > > <> > I actually like the Windows and Mac interfaces but I also still like > MS-DOS. I am not a Luddite but because I hate compulsive consumerism > I still use an antiquated 486-DX 100 with 20 megs ram and a 550 hard > disk. I keep considering upgrading but for the graphic work I do, > a middle road Pentium seems only to be about twice as fast in > real world terms. 8 hour renderings would only take 4 but this > is still too long to sit and watch. I cope quite well by running > them overnight. > <> Besides, when the image rendering takes > so long, how significant is a second or two of entry speed saved? > (Not to mention that gui programs can, and do, offer keyboard > equivalents as well) > <> I agree that in general WinFract is > a terrible example of Windows programming but that's because > underneath it all, it isn't really a Windows program. It is > unfair to base your complaints on it. > > Fractint is not evenly remotely related to perfection and I am > not married to it. But of the fractal generators I have used > it seems to have the greatest flexibility, the most options, the > best documentation and an absolutely huge and active following. > This has made Fractint not so much a program as an experience- > not a bad thing. This notwithstanding, I frequently find > features in other Windows fractal generators that I dearly > would love to see in Fractint. Bottom line- no single > program is likely to become all things to all people > but Fractint has been a brave effort. > <> > > I am not minimizing the efforts of the Fractint programmers > when I say that Fractint owes its status not to its coders, > but its users. It is far from perfect but it has depth. You > should not be surprised if its users defend it passionately. > > Regards - Jack > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) periodicity=n Date: 11 May 1998 10:27:27 -0400 Angela, >>..I don't know about makedoc until I read the documentation....which I can read after I use makedoc......and I learn about makedoc from the documentation......and .....<< Fractint comes with a very short file called fractint.doc. If one reads it, it tells how to create the full documentation file using makedoc. Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) periodicity=n Date: 11 May 1998 08:25:51 -0700 Lee... The operative word in your message is "IF." Picture yourself a newbie.....you check 1. The documentation at Spanky (really good) 2. The help that pops up under F1 (also good) 3. The read.me file that comes with Fractint (which says very little) I'll bet if you try that yourself you'll be unlikely to figure out that the makedoc feature is available. I just went thru that drill. IF you can spot the makedoc.doc file in the listing of stuff that makes up Fractint and decide to read it, you are home free. Personally, I never saw it until Bob told me about it. BTW, I think Fractint's documentation is MUCH better than many (make that most) commercial graphics programs I own. When I see the word "intuitive" in a program's advertising hype....I think....Ut OH, lousey documentation, eh???? The stuff from Metatools tops my list of good, but obscure programs. Anyway, I think the addition of a line or two at Spanky about the makedoc feature would be very helpful for new users. To me the obvious place is right under the "GET FRACTINT" words. The F1 help that comes with Fractint allowed me to figure enough out to be able to start working with the program, but it would have been nice to have had a printed version I could refer to as well. I just never knew it was available. Angela Lee Skinner wrote: > > Angela, > > >>..I don't know about makedoc until I read the documentation....which I > can read after I use makedoc......and I learn about makedoc from the > documentation......and .....<< > > Fractint comes with a very short file called fractint.doc. If one reads > it, it tells how to create the full documentation file using makedoc. > > Lee > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint v20 Date: 11 May 1998 08:50:39 -0700 (MST) > >>Who today prefers the DOS command line interface to the clarity and > elegance of Windows 95? << While it may be personal prejudice, stubborness, idiocy, or all of the above, I perfer DOS programs to Windows, at least, DOS Fractint to other fractal programs. One issue for any fractal program to consider: batch mode. Fractals now being rendered can be so big and take so long, that running batch is the only practical way to do it. I don't believe that this is limited to DOS programs, but many windowing programs don't have it as an option. Kerry Mitchell Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) Double Exposure Dragons Formula Date: 11 May 1998 08:48:22 -0700 Beautiful, Paul! I like that one even more! Thank you! Linda >comment { >This formula applies the "double exposure" rendering method >to the Julia sets of Newtons's solution of (w*w-1)*(w*w+c)=0. >The coordinates for the Julia sets were picked off two of the >midgets from the pars included with the Dbl_Expos_Newt1 >formula. The second par I made especially for Linda (Gumbycat) >who really liked the image with the midget that was used for >that Julia set. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jiho Kim Subject: (fractint) Re: fractint v20 and other stuff Date: 11 May 1998 08:57:01 -0700 (PDT) There's no doubt that the windows version of fractint would be a great benefit for all of us who use win 95/nt, but you can't get around the speed of DOS for renderings that take weeks (for those who can get away with not having a computer for weeks or have dedicated machines of fractint)... especially for those working on their own formulas with relatively big zooms and high iterations. And would it be fractINT anymore? Also, is there a way to compile formulas into some sort of code that will execute more quickly? I'm not really programming savvy... So, I wouldn't know. But, from what I DO know, it's possible to make some your own implementation in C, but you'd have to recompile... Since I don't have a C compiler, I can't (besides the fact that I haven't learned C...). So, can someone make a compiler which would just a formula compiler which can be just called from fractint, theoretically? Also, how will win 98 and nt 5 affect fractint multitasking abilities? HAL probably would sitll be a problem in NT, but I don't really know anything at win 98. Will it handle DOS memory usage better? Also, can someone explain to me (privately, if needed) why fractint doesn't perform well under win 95 (like when you swap out of the dos program into something else) for certain video modes? Just more annoying questions, Jiho Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) nova frms Date: 11 May 1998 11:49:46 -0500 Geoff, - I seem to have lost the Nova frm's. - I especially need "DMJ-NOVA-SPI-DEC-I". http://www.fractalus.com/misc/dmj-pub.zip Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) periodicity=nnn on menu Date: 11 May 1998 11:53:47 -0500 Tim, - Would folks like to see the commandline control periodicity=nnn - promoted to menu status? I would. It's critical for a lot of formula types (especially convergent iterators like Newton's method fractals). - To play devil's advocate, why would you want periodicity=nnn in a - menu since entering it via the command is so easy? Because pressing a single key for it, or even two keys, is a lot easier than typing p e r i o d i c i t y = 0 :) I can't count the number of times I've misspelled it and received a complaint from FractInt. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: (fractint) Spanish Tile Date: 11 May 1998 09:31:05 -0700 From one of Paul Carlson's formulas.... wiz_spanishtile { ; Angela Wilczynski 5/9/98 ; from a Paul Carlson formula reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=MyEqn_Julia center-mag=-2.9976e-015/1.33227e-015/0.5612156/1.3333/180 params=1/0/5/0.05/5/30 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=253 outside=summ viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000R9Q<29>zzm<28>58f26e25g13i12k00m<12>34Q00N<15>znZ<13>S87L97EA7\ <2>D5IC4MB2QA0UE3X<8>mUw<10>A0K<7>m0K<11>O0DM0CK0BH0AA0A<6>mwz<10>00C<8>\ 00N62O<8>m0K<14>ZDFYEEWDC<6>KA0<8>zzm<12>A00A03A06A0A<3>K5IN6KO7NQ8Q } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony Hanmer" Subject: (fractint) Some wishes Date: 11 May 1998 19:24:08 +0400 (MSD) Hi from a Fractint user of about 8 months - fabulous program, though dangerous for a fanatic like me! I'd like to see: Zoomable L-System types (I WANT to compile a huge detailed dragon curve) A utility to start off with, say, the smallest zoom box of a screen, in one of the corners, and calculate the rest of the whole screen, box by box (yes, I know that's 400 or so gifs), seamlessly, AND then paste them together in one huge image. (I did this myself with 144 gifs, and the result at 35 MB is great, but it just about drove me crazy compiling it in Photoshop. Like I said, fanatic.) A dragon curve with rounded corners, e.g. as one continuous line! PLEASE! Other variations of the dragon curve - try 2 folds in each direction, or 1 right 2 left, etc. Is there a 3D analogue of the beastie?! A much larger scren, mono, for L-system types: e.g. 10 000 x 15 000 pixels... Viewable only in other programs, of course, if necessary. Other fractals or objects to include in Fractint (I can't do the math but I have ideas), from The Penguin Dictionary of Curious and Interesting Geometry: Appolonian Gasket, p 3 Blancmange curve, p 17 Spirals: Archimedian p 8, logarithmic p 68, Fermat p 74 Gaussian primes, p 85 Harmonograph, p 92 Perron tree, p 129 Koch's Anti-snowflake, p 136 Packing circles rigidly, p 167 Poincare's circle, p 189 Triangular tessellations, p 258 spiral-similarity tessellation & spirolaterals, pp 239-241 Versatile tessellations, p 269 Some pretty weird stuff there... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Pearson Subject: RE: (fractint) fractint v20 and beyond Date: 11 May 1998 18:58:49 +0200 Non-programmer, new fractint user speaking. Also, general hater of Microsnot bloatware and the assumption that users will always go out and buy faster machines, bigger screens and bigger hard disks. There is no compelling reason for a GUI, Windows version of fractint. All we need is for the DOS version to support: - Calculation in the background while working in other applications - Long (i.e. descriptive) file names - Access to all video modes that are supported by the PC the user would like to use - Help menus you can keep open while using the program - A COMPLETE restructuring of the current 'x', 'y', coordinates, etc menus, as well as all the options that are accessible by 'g' only, and therefore can't be checked. I respect the fact that this is the way they've grown up and what long-time users are used to (and so it's very important to keep the current menu system as an option), but for a new user it's pretty confusing. Of course, moving to windoze is not an automatic cure for confusing parameter settings, the developers still have to do the work to structure the dialogue boxes logically! - A more intuitive (and that means what I personally expect!!) way of using the mouse to do zooming. For example, click-and-drag to select the area, handles on the zoom box to stretch it and rotate it. This is the one area where a mouse interface adds some value (although it would be nice as another way to pick files from a list, too). A move to Windows is not much use if it doesn't deliver the above. But how many of these requirements can be met in the DOS version? Joe Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint v20 and beyond Date: 11 May 1998 13:11:47 -0400 Terry, Your comments on the DOS and [future] Windows version of fractint were interesting and I especially appreciate your offer to help with the Windows 95 version, but I must take exception to the following: [snip] >>With all the hype I have read about the greatness of Fractint, why is it >>so hard for its programmers to get a real handle on Windows programming? [snip] >>Or are there other considerations we aren't being informed about? Is it >>the screen draw time, or plain stubbornness, or just incompetence? [snip] This is quite unfair. Fractint is a patchwork quilt written over the years by many different programmers, all who donated their time for no charge. From what I've read, most all of them (as well as most users) would love to see it ported to 32 bit Windows. I'm sure the reason it hasn't been done yet has nothing to do with what you have said, but is simply a matter of time. I'm sure Tim and most everybody else who has contributed to fractint have 40 hour a week jobs and simply cannot find the time necessary for this huge project. Anyway, there is also a fracint developers mailing list and these questions should probably be discussed there. >>(Who today prefers the DOS command line interface to the clarity and >>elegance of Windows 95? This just goes to show that clarity and elegance are in the eye of the beholder. What could be more clear and elegant than: command [parameter1] [parameter2] [/switch1] [/switch2] Actually, I agree that the concept of windowed, graphical operating systems is an elegant one, but the Windows 95 implementation of this concept leaves a lot to be desired. Nick Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: (fractint) Silver and Gold Newton Formula Date: 11 May 1998 12:24:51 -0500 (CDT) comment { This formula applies my double exposure stalks rendering to Newton's solution of (w*w-c*c)*(w*w+1/(c*c))=0. This equation has an unusually rich variety of images. I've included four pars that give a sampling of the variety. I've used two color ranges (siver and gold) in all the pars which I think looks quite nice with these images, but I welcome other colormaps for these. Paul Carlson } frm:Dbl_Expos_Newt2 {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 ; ; real(p1) = a factor controlling the size of the stalks ; imag(p1) = minimum iterations ; real(p2) = convergence test distance ; imag(p2) = value of |w| for bailout ; real(p3) = number of color ranges ; imag(p3) = number of colors in a range ; z = bailout = iter = range_num = dist = 0 c = pixel csqd = c * c icsqd = 1 / csqd sc = sqrt(-icsqd) a = csqd - icsqd w = sqrt(a / 6) stalk_width = real(p1) skip_iters = imag(p1) cdist = real(p2) num_ranges = real(p3) colors_in_range = imag(p3) index_factor = (colors_in_range - 1) / stalk_width : w2 = w * w w = (3 * w2 * w2 - a * w2 + 1) / (4 * w * w2 - 2 * a * w) ; IF (iter > skip_iters) IF (abs(real(w)) <= abs(imag(w))) min_dist = abs(real(w)) ELSE min_dist = abs(imag(w)) ENDIF IF (dist == 0 && min_dist < stalk_width) dist = min_dist ENDIF IF (|w + c| < cdist) bailout = 1 ELSEIF (|w - c| < cdist) bailout = 1 ELSEIF (|w + sc| < cdist) bailout = 1 ELSEIF (|w - sc| < cdist) bailout = 1 ENDIF ENDIF IF (bailout == 1) z = index_factor * dist + range_num * colors_in_range + 1 ENDIF range_num = range_num + 1 IF (range_num == num_ranges) range_num = 0 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter bailout == 0 && |w| < imag(p2) } dent2m01 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dbexnwt2.frm formulaname=dbl_expos_newt2 passes=t corners=2.60831858285/2.60826892397/-3.31059200001e-005/3.310\ 59200001e-005/2.60826892397/3.31059200001e-005 params=0.1/25/1e-007/1e+020/2/125 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000zz0<123>aG0zzz<123>VVV000<3>000 } dent2m02 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dbexnwt2.frm formulaname=dbl_expos_newt2 passes=t corners=4.2295373/4.2103373/-0.0128/0.0128/4.2103373/0.0128 params=0.1/10/1e-007/1e+020/2/125 float=y maxiter=500 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000zz0<123>aG0zzz<123>VVV000<3>000 } dent2m03 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dbexnwt2.frm formulaname=dbl_expos_newt2 passes=t corners=4.18407772960462/4.18407766763212/-4.13149999200574e-\ 008/4.13150001074116e-008/4.18407766763212/4.13150001074116e-008 params=0.1/25/1e-007/1e+020/2/125 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000zz0<123>aG0zzz<123>VVV000<3>000 } dent2m04 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dbexnwt2.frm formulaname=dbl_expos_newt2 passes=t center-mag=+0.53134409219500000/+0.84715435134499990/4508.941\ /1/122 params=0.1/0/1e-007/1e+020/2/125 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000zz0<123>aG0zzz<123>VVV000<3>000 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) periodicity=n Date: 11 May 1998 20:17:20 +0100 Angela wrote: >Lee... >The operative word in your message is "IF." >Picture yourself a newbie.....you check >1. The documentation at Spanky (really good) >2. The help that pops up under F1 (also good) >3. The read.me file that comes with Fractint (which says very little) >>I'll bet if you try that yourself you'll be unlikely to figure out that the >makedoc feature is available. I just went thru that drill. IF you can spot the >makedoc.doc file in the listing of stuff that makes up Fractint and decide to >read it, you are home free. Personally, I never saw it until Bob told me about >it. <> You're refering to 'makedoc.doc'. Indeed, a filename like this would at least not invite me to read it, but a file named FRACTINT.DOC must have something to do with DOC on FRACTINT. :-) Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint v20 and beyond Date: 11 May 1998 20:11:24 +0100 Terry wrote: >I'm getting the strong feeling, just from the brief time I've >had to browse the numerous messages on the list, that the programmers of >Fractint intend to keep the same DOS-style interface in future versions. >If that isn't the case, then the following may be overstated, but if >true... IMO, this is a big mistake, as WinFract could have much more >than its present psuedo-Windows-compatible content. More on this below. > >With all the hype I have read about the greatness of Fractint, why is it >so hard for its programmers to get a real handle on Windows programming? I'm curious what you think of Tierazon (i'm using tierazon for windows 2.5). Is this as 'fast' as you would like winfract to be? Is this a good windows program in terms of interface? Maybe the menu's of Tzon25 are more user-friendly in terms of a logical interface than the fractint / winfract menus are -- but i think the Tzon25 menus are a crime (as in French :-) ) to a newbie: they are almost written using pure mathematics. I therefore think the fractint menus are more accessible to newbies. What are said to be secondary or tertiary parameters to rendering, do not show up in the express menus in fractint, but in tzon25 everything looks the same. When I was a fractint newbie, i had no real problems with the fractint interface. And occasionally, when there was a topic i needed more help on, the fractint help system was often clear enough. But maybe the 'lack' of problems i had was because of my earlier experiences with fractal theories and programs beside fractint. >I would welcome a chance to contribute to a genuine Windows 95 version of >Fractint, one that would once and for all lay the "DOS" version to rest. I have no problems with a completely new interface for winfract. But i *would* like a command line mode (callable by ctrl-g maybe) that at least supports fractdos var=val command line vocabulary and grammar. Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint v20 and beyond Date: 11 May 1998 19:48:30 +0100 Petr Lobaz wrote in a reply to Terry W. Gintz: >You think of windows menus? It means that you MUST do everything using >mouse, then put your hands on the keyboard, move with mouse, type >another information and so on. I bet that I can work with current version >of Fractint several times faster than with this strange combination of >mouse and keyboard. And to make everything available from mouse control? >This contolling of program would be so SLOOOW. You asked for people who >like DOS command line. Command.com doesn't have such nice features like >for example Bourne Again Shell (bash), but I can work with DOS prompt much >faster than with mouse. Don't forget that many programmers are quite good >keyboard users. > >Petr I can't do but agree with that. Besides, there is at least one program that works as a kind of bash for dos. I'm referring to 4dos. It offers all facilities of bash (and more!) for MSDOS. It is a powerful replacement of command.com. There are also 32-bit versions available: 4OS2 for OS/2 and 4NT for Windows 9x/NT. Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint v20 and beyond Date: 11 May 1998 19:42:08 +0100 Angela wrote: >I for one would very very much like a fully (more or less) functional Winfract. > >Now...I also like to run Fractint under DOS...but....there are times when I'd >prefer to stay in true Winders and multi-task. Why....I could let Winfract >render in the background while chatting!!!! or posting all those pars and >frms!!!! I can live without color cycling in a Winfract version, but the >addition of being able to construct a color map would be a very useful one. I >know I can do that quite nicely in some of the existing winders-based fractal >programs.....but NO sliders please!!! a nice little pallet like we have now. > >Think of the very simple need to view all the pars posted to this >list........wouldn't it be nice to have them rendering while composing >scintillating comments to the authors? All problems with winders >aside.......multitasking is better than using at a single DOS app, no matter how >fast. Multitasking of course enables us to render multiple fractals in different winfract sessions. A multithreading edition of winfract would even allow us to render multiple fractals within the same winfract session. I'm not really into windows programming, but I guess a well-organised coding of the multithreading means rendering fractals in the same winfract session would be faster than separate sessions. I would appreciate a more up-to-date, possibly even just as complete as fractint 19.6, or even more extended, version of winfract as the combination of my video card (Diamond Stealth 3D 2000), WinNT 4.0 for i386 and the nonworking SDD651 (under NT at least) do not allow me to render fractals in fractint in hires-256. The highest res 256 color modes I can choose are CF5 (320x480x256) and SF1 (360x480x256). This means I always have to switch to dos (which takes quite a while, from NT) and run fractint. This doesn't mean at all i would give up good old 'dosfract' { g.o.d. :-) } , as winfract (even a superfast multithreading edition) still isn't as fast as dos. For checking what the artists of this list have created, winfract is okay. For fully exploring these frms and pars, and creating fractals for the fractals, dosfract can {at least nowadays} not be exceeded. Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Kolasa Subject: (fractint) Isn't DOS Dead?; Was fractint v20 and beyond Date: 11 May 1998 14:22:49 -0400 The DOS version seems to be the preferred route but it seems that we are all ignoring the fact that Microsoft will not be releasing any more versions of DOS. At least that is what I recall reading sometime ago. Does it make sense to continue developing something for a dead OS? Dave Kolasa Computer Lab Supervisor Center for Computational Biology 532 Wartik Lab. University Park, PA 16802 Phone: 865-1098 Fax: 863-1357 Email: DAK2@PSU.EDU Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint v20 and beyond Date: 11 May 1998 14:38:56 -0500 Hello, Figured I'd add my thoughts to this debate, along with clarifying a few misconceptions. First, several people here seem to have the feeling that a DOS FractInt will always be faster than a Windows FractInt. Some have even hinted that they think this because of WinFract. Well, WinFract IS slower than DOS FractInt, but that's not because Windows programs are inherently slower--it's because of how WinFract is written. A properly-configured DOS session in Windows 95 is only 2% slower than pure DOS (according to some tests I ran a while back). The difference is so insignificant that it's not even worth mentioning. Now, as I see it (and note, this is only my opinion and I don't pretend to speak for the FractInt developers, to which group I do not belong) there are two major tasks is moving FractInt to a modern Windows environment. First, FractInt is currently a 16-bit application; Windows 95 apps are 32-bit. While this has *some* bearing in a high-level language (which most of FractInt is written in) it has *enormous* importance when it comes to dealing with assembly language--and assembly language is part of what makes FractInt fast. To move FractInt to a 32-bit environment requires that all of that assembly code be examined, checked, and if necessary, rewritten. This is not a small task! The other major task required to move FractInt into a Win95/98/NT environment is that a Windows interface be written. Again, this is no small task. Windows programming is a different paradigm altogether from the DOS environment, and that means that a good portion of the current interface code must be rewritten from _scratch_. It's been pointed out that the people who work on FractInt have day jobs, and do this sort of thing in their spare time. That so much has been contributed to FractInt is amazing... but it is unfair to assume that because "feature X" isn't in FractInt, it's because the programmers are lazy/hard-hearted/incompetent. It seems to me that the Stone Soup Group is well aware of what needs to be done with FractInt. They know where the program is headed, and they recognize that eventually, FractInt must leave DOS behind. Much of what needs to be done is being accomplished through Xfractint; it's far more portable than the DOS version, but at the cost of eliminating that high-speed assembly we all love. Cut 'em some slack and let them work. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Bell Subject: Re: (fractint) Isn't DOS Dead?; Was fractint v20 and beyond Date: 11 May 1998 20:07:56 +0100 Dave Kolasa wrote: > > The DOS version seems to be the preferred route but it seems that we are > all ignoring the fact that Microsoft will not be releasing any more > versions of DOS. At least that is what I recall reading sometime ago. > > Does it make sense to continue developing something for a dead OS? Just because there will be no more releases of DOS doesn't mean we can't use it - and if you believe that MS will stop supporting it then you must be mad. I personally prefer DOS to Windows because I much prefer its command line system (especially when combined with DOSKey). Although a Windows version of Fractint may be useful it would take an awfully long time to restructure and rewrite Fractint to take advantage of the features Win 9x/nt has to offer. Michael Bell. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Gilman Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint v20 and beyond Date: 11 May 1998 12:14:21 -0700 Terry W. Gintz, I'm the wrong Tim to respond to this, but I feel I've got a good handle regarding some of these issues. I'm porting Fractint to the Mac, and I only committed to doing so after getting a prototype to run using the XFract code-base. It took me a little under 2 months to get a fractal out of the XFract source base on my Mac, and this was only one fractal at a fixed resolution, gray-scale, with absolutely nothing configurable. There's a few things you mention below that I'd like to elaborate. Fractal generation in terms of system performance is 99.9% number crunching. The difference, on a Mac, between drawing directly to the screen and drawing into a window buffer and then copying the buffer to the screen is about 99 to 100. That is, there's hardly any difference at all. I imagine the same goes for whatever mutation of Windows. The rest is application and system overhead. I imagine people like the DOS-version of FRACTINT because it's so responsive. If you comb through the source code for a bit, you'll see that the FRACTINT menus pretty much drive the entire application. More to the point, interrupt-driven keystrokes drive the app. Porting Fractint to anything other than an interrupt-driven system requires a huge amount of code rework. I'm facing this with the Mac port of Fractint, since the Mac is completely event-driven. So, to address your point below ("or just incompetence") the developers of fractint have been playing with graphics modes long before expert Windows programmers even knew they needed a base video address, much less the ActiveX wrapper which sold it to them. Not to jerk any tears, but in my hey-day of experimenting with DOS & Intel offerings, I bought a cutting edge 486DX-50 just to use Fractint. If, at the time, Fractint was a Windows application, it would have sucked to the point where it would have been abandoned, IMHO. Conceptually though, I don't think a Windows95 version of fractint will ever happen. If the DOS version is to ever be lain to rest, DOS will have to be lain to rest, and that mean windows95 & windows98 will have to be dropped. In all, my advice to you if you're serious about pursuing a fully windowed version of Fractint is to start with the XFract source base. That way you'll avoid (and lose) most of the abstract optimizations found in the DOS fractint. Once someone steps up to rewriting the fractal-generating code in XFract to be independent of the menu-ing system, then making a maintainable WindowsNT version becomes possible. Until then... "May the source be with you." -=Tim Gilman t.gilman@apple.com tgilman@cats.ucsc.edu >Or are there other considerations we aren't being informed about? Is it >the screen draw time, or plain stubbornness, or just incompetence? I >don't throw this out lightly. I've used WinFract some in Windows 3.1, >and that was hardly a graceful multitask promoting program. Numerous >bugs made it crash or mess up Windows. The help file was much >abbreviated from the full DOS version, which made it hard to understand >some features without reading the DOS help file. No attempt to upgrade >this poor showing to a Windows 95 program. Even less attempt to include >what the DOS version of Fractint now includes. > >I would welcome a chance to contribute to a genuine Windows 95 version of >Fractint, one that would once and for all lay the "DOS" version to rest. >(Who today prefers the DOS command line interface to the clarity and >elegance of Windows 95? Or it need not be compared to Windows 95, but >any up-to-date windowing system, such as Macintosh or X-Windows...) I >couldn't make this offer when my programs were still shareware, but I'd >sure like to improve the quality of fractal artistry as it now stands. >There is much in my own programs that would add to the power of Fractint, >including true color, AVI and midi support. The problem I have now is >deciphering much of the abstract(optimizing) code that Fractint has >accumulated over the years. Maybe there is a master decryption log to >explain all the routines in Fractint's source code, because as it is >distributed now, no one programmer could understand it all(without a log >book.) If there is any attempt to keep a Windows 95 version current and >maintainable, complete documentation for all source code, as well as >program options, is necessary. > >Any comments, Tim? Tim Gilman BlueBox Engineering t.gilman@apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: RE: (fractint) periodicity=nnn on menu Date: 11 May 1998 15:35:27 -0400 I would prefer it there, also, the degub=3D1600 (or whatever you use to = turn on bignums manually) and bfdigits would be cool. Pete // -----Original Message----- // From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com // [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Wegner // Sent: Sunday, May 10, 1998 8:12 PM // To: fractint@lists.xmission.com // Subject: (fractint) periodicity=3Dnnn on menu // =20 // =20 // Would folks like to see the commandline control periodicity=3Dnnn=20 // promoted to menu status? // =20 // It would be OK with me if this were a permanent fixture. However,=20 // periodicity could easy change. Maybe I could make a "top secret=20 // developer's menu page" that is sort of the analogy of the "top = secret=20 // developer's status screen". The idea is that the menu would be = // for convenience, but we wouldn't promise to keep the commands or=20 // their syntax the same from version to version. // =20 // To play devil's advocate, why would you want periodicity=3Dnnn in a=20 // menu since entering it via the command is so easy? // =20 // Tim // =20 // =20 // -------------------------------------------------------------- // Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List // Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com // Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" // Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net // Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" // =20 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: RE: (fractint) fractint v20 Date: 11 May 1998 15:42:50 -0400 If I were to write a massive fractal program for win95, (which, = actually, I am working on one, but sllloooowwwwlllyyy) I would have a = queue type system for batch mode type rendering built in. Pete // -----Original Message----- // From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com // [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Kerry = Mitchell // Sent: Monday, May 11, 1998 11:51 AM // To: fractint@lists.xmission.com // Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint v20 // =20 // =20 // > >>Who today prefers the DOS command line interface to the clarity = and // > elegance of Windows 95? << // =20 // While it may be personal prejudice, stubborness, idiocy, or all of = the // above, I perfer DOS programs to Windows, at least, DOS Fractint to = other // fractal programs. One issue for any fractal program to=20 // consider: batch // mode. Fractals now being rendered can be so big and take so long, = that // running batch is the only practical way to do it. I don't believe = that // this is limited to DOS programs, but many windowing programs=20 // don't have it // as an option. // =20 // Kerry Mitchell // =20 // ---------------------------------------------------------------- // --------------- // Kerry Mitchell // lkmitch@primenet.com // ---------------------------------------------------------------- // --------------- // =20 // =20 // =20 // -------------------------------------------------------------- // Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List // Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com // Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" // Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net // Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" // =20 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: RE: (fractint) fractint v20 and beyond Date: 11 May 1998 15:52:16 -0400 // All we need is for the DOS version to support: // =20 // - Calculation in the background while working in other applications I think the easiest way to do this is to let you switch from video to = disk video with one key press, rather than saving it and re-opening it = with disk video mode. And a way to save with the same filename without = retyping it would be helpful (like a 'save under last filename' key), = and a popup status display from the fractal screen, rather than pressing = tab, containing the filename, etc. I find it somewhat annoying that if = I find a fractal I like, then save it, then change the colors, and if I = want to save it under the same filename, I have to press x, then fix the = filename, then save it after I return to my fractal, especially since my = monitor has to change the resolution, and clicks and goes black and all = that... whew! :) // - Long (i.e. descriptive) file names Easily done... goto www.microsoft.com :) Pete Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: RE: (fractint) fractint v20 and beyond Date: 11 May 1998 15:54:27 -0400 I agree. And why are we all complaining? It would do just as much (or = more) under DOS as win95, and besides... ITS FREE!!! Pete / Your comments on the DOS and [future] Windows version of fractint = were // interesting and I especially appreciate your offer to help with=20 // the Windows // 95 version, but I must take exception to the following: // =20 // [snip] // >>With all the hype I have read about the greatness of=20 // Fractint, why is it // >>so hard for its programmers to get a real handle on Windows=20 // programming? // [snip] // >>Or are there other considerations we aren't being informed=20 // about? Is it // >>the screen draw time, or plain stubbornness, or just incompetence? // [snip] // =20 // This is quite unfair. Fractint is a patchwork quilt written=20 // over the years // by many different programmers, all who donated their time for no = charge. // From what I've read, most all of them (as well as most users)=20 // would love to // see it ported to 32 bit Windows. I'm sure the reason it hasn't been = done // yet has nothing to do with what you have said, but is simply a = matter of // time. I'm sure Tim and most everybody else who has contributed=20 // to fractint // have 40 hour a week jobs and simply cannot find the time=20 // necessary for this // huge project. Anyway, there is also a fracint developers=20 // mailing list and // these questions should probably be discussed there. // =20 // >>(Who today prefers the DOS command line interface to the clarity = and // >>elegance of Windows 95? // =20 // This just goes to show that clarity and elegance are in the eye of = the // beholder. What could be more clear and elegant than: // =20 // command [parameter1] [parameter2] [/switch1] [/switch2] // =20 // Actually, I agree that the concept of windowed, graphical=20 // operating systems // is an elegant one, but the Windows 95 implementation of this=20 // concept leaves // a lot to be desired. // =20 // Nick // =20 // =20 // =20 // -------------------------------------------------------------- // Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List // Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com // Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" // Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net // Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" // =20 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: RE: (fractint) Isn't DOS Dead?; Was fractint v20 and beyond Date: 11 May 1998 15:57:20 -0400 // The DOS version seems to be the preferred route but it seems that we = are // all ignoring the fact that Microsoft will not be releasing any more // versions of DOS. At least that is what I recall reading sometime = ago. // =20 // Does it make sense to continue developing something for a dead OS? What else do you want from DOS? So what if they don't release upgrades? = :) There's not much else, that you can't get from another company, or = for windoze :) Pete Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: RE: (fractint) fractint v20 and beyond Date: 11 May 1998 15:59:34 -0400 // I'm not really // into windows programming, but I guess a well-organised coding of the // multithreading means rendering fractals in the same winfract=20 // session would // be faster than separate sessions. Actually, no. :) Windows has to manage all those little threads, which = is expensive in terms of CPU cycles. Pete Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: RE: (fractint) fractint v20 and beyond Date: 11 May 1998 16:03:21 -0400 // Maybe the menu's of Tzon25 are more // user-friendly in terms of a logical interface than the fractint=20 // / winfract // menus are -- but i think the Tzon25 menus are a crime (as in=20 // French :-) ) to // a newbie... [snip] I agree. Fractint (dos) was cake for me to learn. I didn't even read = the docs before starting. (I did later :) ) I was doing cool stuff = after a couple hours! But I got tzon, and I was turned off by the = interface. I dont understand half the filters, and I can find any = adequate docs... (then again, I didn't look *that* hard) Pete Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) periodicity=n Date: 11 May 1998 16:06:46 -0400 Angela, >> The read.me file that comes with Fractint (which says very little) Yes, I believe that this should be expanded to include info on makedoc. Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: (fractint) Users and Developers Unite!!! Date: 11 May 1998 13:25:58 -0700 I'm really interested in the debate about windows, fractint, dos, winfract, etc. and am very glad it's not been shunted completely over to another list for developers. The opportunity to interact with developers (or potential developers) is a real win for us non-tech types who are fairly intense users. I like hearing about the benefits of one approach versus another from the technical community......and I hope the developers get some benefit from hearing about how their applications are used in "real life" (something I think I had before I found fractint). One area where I have a real problem with Fractint is in the area of file management. Windows is far superior for file management....not only because of drag and drop but because two files can be opened simultaneously. I transfer my gifs to zip disks at the end of each month, but I clean out the less desireable gifs by using a graphics program like paintshop pro. And while.... copy *.* e:\homepage\simplenet\fractals\seasonal\temp .....isn't all That bad, copying selected files to different directories is a nightmare in dos. About the only real file management I do in dos is deleting files......and I find even that rather difficult as I have to write down all the file names I want to delete then do each one "by hand." As long as I'm writing, it's often easier to return to winders and use the mouse to select those files I want to delete from a list. Both my .map files and .par files are getting rather cluttered. Love all the debate... Angela Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: fractint v20 and other stuff Date: 11 May 1998 21:04:55 +0100 Jiho wrote: >>> Also, how will win 98 and nt 5 affect fractint multitasking abilities? HAL probably would sitll be a problem in NT, but I don't really know anything at win 98. Will it handle DOS memory usage better? <<< I've been using betas 1, 2 and 3 of Win98 -- beta 3 even in English, Dutch and Swedish :-) -- for a while, still using b3 dutch, but only for games and for some networking, as NT 4 doesn't support DirectX 5 and I cannot communicate with some dos gamers on the network. Win98 doesn't have anything extra to offer to dos mem usage. And for future versions of Windows, the compatibility with dos apps can only decrease. Unfortunately. I can't say anything definite on NT 5 yet, but chances are low better mem allocation will take place. I'm waiting for a 'stable' public beta now. What's HAL by the way? Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: fractint v20 and other stuff Date: 11 May 1998 17:53:33 -0500 Christian, - What's HAL by the way? Hardware Access Layer. In DirectX terms, it's what allows programs to access hardware acceleration features. The alternative is HEL, Hardware Emulation Layer, which is typically so slow as to not be worth anything. (Particularly in Direct3D's case.) Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: (fractint) Some boundary trace pars Date: 11 May 1998 18:05:59 -0500 (CDT) These pars use the Dbl_Expos_Newt2 formula that I just posted. They do not use the double exposure rendering - instead they use Fractint's boundary trace method. It's fun to watch the images being plotted by this method and as for the images themselves - well, they're kinda nice, too. The fourth one is really different. The pars should be run at 1024x768 resolution or higher. Paul Carlson btracm01 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dbexnwt2.frm formulaname=dbl_expos_newt2 passes=b corners=2.60830875039/2.60827875643/-1.999597568e-005/1.99959\ 7568e-005/2.60827875643/1.999597568e-005 params=0.1/0/1e-007/1e+020/8/30 float=y maxiter=2000 fillcolor=253 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00Of\ Oz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00000<13>000 } btracm02 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dbexnwt2.frm formulaname=dbl_expos_newt2 passes=b corners=4.2295373/4.2103373/-0.0128/0.0128/4.2103373/0.0128 params=0.1/0/1e-007/1e+020/8/30 float=y maxiter=500 fillcolor=253 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000z0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00zR<28>0C40\ zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00OfOz<28>I0K000<13>000 } btracm03 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dbexnwt2.frm formulaname=dbl_expos_newt2 passes=b corners=4.18407772960462/4.18407766763212/-4.13149999200574e-\ 008/4.13150001074116e-008/4.18407766763212/4.13150001074116e-008 params=0.1/0/1e-007/1e+020/8/30 float=y maxiter=2000 fillcolor=253 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000z0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00zR<28>0C40\ zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00OfOz<28>I0K000<13>000 } btracm04 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dbexnwt2.frm formulaname=dbl_expos_newt2 passes=b center-mag=+0.53134409219500000/+0.84715435134499990/4508.941\ /1/122 params=0.1/-1/1e-007/1e+020/8/30 float=y maxiter=2000 fillcolor=253 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000fOz<28>I0Kz0f<28>O08z88<28>O00zW0<28>c40zz0<28>aG00\ zR<28>0C40zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O000<13>000 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John W. Evans" Subject: (fractint) Spiral Valley Date: 12 May 1998 01:16:50 GMT Hi all First par post from a long-time lurker - nothing original but inspired by Angela's Spiral Valley recently posted Wizzle_Tr