From: Hundhammer@t-online.de (Stefan Hundhammer) Subject: (fractint) TGA image output Date: 01 Aug 1998 08:24:35 +0200 Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. --------------746D90EFBDB1A39D9A27FE12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! I would like generate fractals for a TGA slide printer. Is it possible to calculate and save images with FRACTINT? And which release of FRACTINT suports it? Where can I download the release. Many thanks for Help! Greetings from Munich ... Stefan ... the Oktoberfest is coming soon :-)))) -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Stefan Hundhammer hundhammer@t-online.de + + http://home.t-online.de/home/hundhammer + + Ueber den Wolken ist die Freiheit ... + + ... wirklich grenzenlos. + + B369 AFB1 C32A 8DD6 D036 5C63 77C9 26C5 D60F E0FD + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --------------746D90EFBDB1A39D9A27FE12 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Visitenkarte für Stefan Hundhammer Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Stefan Hundhammer n: Hundhammer;Stefan org: privat adr: ;;Schwabing;München;Bayern;80xxx;Deutschland email;internet: hundhammer@t-online.de tel;work: 0201-247180-10256 tel;fax: 0201-247180-10256 tel;home: 0201-247180-10256 note: http:\\home.t-onlinde.de/home/hundhammer x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------746D90EFBDB1A39D9A27FE12-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) Heightfields Date: 01 Aug 1998 03:14:26 EDT Sorry to bother the list with this but the subject has come up:) When i select for a pot file to gain resolution for a pic to use as a heightfield in pov, the resulting image loads in paint shop pro as an 8-bit image with two separate sides; the fractal and what looks like brain coral next to it. Can someone advise me as to how to get Fractint to output a 16-bit .pot plasma fractal image file? Thank you very much for any help! Renrad1 If it is a long reply please e-mail me since this subject seems to not come up on the list often. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: (fractint) Lost Formula Date: 01 Aug 1998 06:26:31 -0700 I seem to have lost a formula - 051597-002mc I don't know if it was uploaded or not, but if anyone has it and could send it to me, I'd appreciate it! Thanks, Linda http://www.fractalus.com/gumbycat/index.html (gallery3.html: last update 7/12/98) http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519/abpf.html (abpf.html: last update 7/29/98) http://www.toptown.com/innercircle/gumbycat/index.html (gallery3.html: last update 7/10/98) Copyright, all rights reserved: http://www.fractalus.com/gumbycat/copyright.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Heightfields Date: 01 Aug 1998 11:17:05 -0500 Renrad1, - When i select for a pot file to gain resolution for a pic to use as a - heightfield in pov, the resulting image loads in paint shop pro as an - 8-bit image with two separate sides; the fractal and what looks like - brain coral next to it. Yep, that's because the .pot file is really a GIF file with the extra eight bits of data "kludged" in as more image data off to the right side. - Can someone advise me as to how to get Fractint to output a 16-bit .pot - plasma fractal image file? On the "z" options screen for plasma, change the last item to "1". When you save your image, it will be a 16-bit .pot file. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Les St Clair" Subject: (fractint) July Par Collection Date: 01 Aug 1998 16:44:08 +0100 Hi everyone, July's par collection, is now available from the usual spot: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/ For those who wanted the text of the messages included, there is an alternative version at: http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/crosstrees/fractasi.htm Also updated (at my CompuServe site) is the par collection for Jim Muth's FOTD. cheers, Les Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) Heightfields Date: 01 Aug 1998 23:35:31 EDT Damien Jones wrote: Thank You! renrad1 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hundhammer@t-online.de (Stefan Hundhammer) Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output Date: 02 Aug 1998 09:01:13 +0200 Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. --------------737859C8A14BB72F5B3CDF8A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Kragen! > > I would like generate fractals for a TGA slide printer. > > Is it possible to calculate and save images with FRACTINT? > Yes, as .gifs. Hmmm, but gifs are only 256 color images. I need images with65000 colors or more for our magnum-posters. > > And which release of FRACTINT suports it? Where can I > > download the release. > I think since 2.0 or 3.0 (in 1989 or 1990?) Fractint has had this feature. Right, but the TGA-Output was canceled in the past. So what was thelast version of FRACTINT with TGA-Output? Stefan -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Stefan Hundhammer hundhammer@t-online.de + + http://home.t-online.de/home/hundhammer + + Ueber den Wolken ist die Freiheit ... + + ... wirklich grenzenlos. + + B369 AFB1 C32A 8DD6 D036 5C63 77C9 26C5 D60F E0FD + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --------------737859C8A14BB72F5B3CDF8A Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Visitenkarte für Stefan Hundhammer Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Stefan Hundhammer n: Hundhammer;Stefan org: privat adr: ;;Schwabing;München;Bayern;80xxx;Deutschland email;internet: hundhammer@t-online.de tel;work: 0201-247180-10256 tel;fax: 0201-247180-10256 tel;home: 0201-247180-10256 note: http:\\home.t-onlinde.de/home/hundhammer x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------737859C8A14BB72F5B3CDF8A-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry Bluestein Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output Date: 02 Aug 1998 09:59:27 -0400 Stefan, why don't you just save the file as a GIF from Fractint, then use= one of the many available graphic softwares to convert the GIF to a TGA file? Stefan Hundhammer wrote: > Hello Kragen! > > > > I would like generate fractals for a TGA slide printer. > > > Is it possible to calculate and save images with FRACTINT? > > Yes, as .gifs. > > Hmmm, but gifs are only 256 color images. I need images with65000 color= s or > more for our magnum-posters. > > > > And which release of FRACTINT suports it? Where can I > > > download the release. > > I think since 2.0 or 3.0 (in 1989 or 1990?) Fractint has had this fea= ture. > > Right, but the TGA-Output was canceled in the past. So what was thelast > version of FRACTINT with TGA-Output? > > Stefan > > -- > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > + Stefan Hundhammer hundhammer@t-online.de + > + http://home.t-online.de/home/hundhammer + > + Ueber den Wolken ist die Freiheit ... + > + ... wirklich grenzenlos. + > + B369 AFB1 C32A 8DD6 D036 5C63 77C9 26C5 D60F E0FD + > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= --- > > Stefan Hundhammer > privat > > Stefan Hundhammer > privat > Schwabing Work: 0201-247180-10256 > M=FCnchen Fax: 0201-247180-10256 > Bayern Home: 0201-247180-10256 > 80xxx Netscape Conference Address > Deutschland Netscape Conference DLS Server > http:\\home.t-onlinde.de/home/hundhammer > Additional Information: > Last Name Hundhammer > First Name Stefan > Version 2.1 -- Barry Bluestein Information Technology Consulting - Internet Strategic Planning 11629 Deborah DR, Potomac, MD 20854 301-299-0083 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output Date: 02 Aug 1998 10:13:43 -0400 (EDT) On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Barry Bluestein wrote: > Stefan, why don't you just save the file as a GIF from Fractint, then use > one of the many available graphic softwares to convert the GIF to a TGA file? Aren't .gifs limited to 256 colors? Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John C. A. Misterio'" Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output Date: 02 Aug 1998 16:25:07 +0100 Kragen wrote: > Aren't .gifs limited to 256 colors? Yes, GIF is a standart limited to 256 colors. No more, no less. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output Date: 02 Aug 1998 10:44:52 -0400 (EDT) On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, John C. A. Misterio' wrote: > Kragen wrote: > > > Aren't .gifs limited to 256 colors? > > Yes, GIF is a standart limited to 256 colors. No more, no less. Actually, it can be "less" -- there are 4-color .gifs, 16-color .gifs, etc. But if the guy wants a 64kcolor picture, 'save as .gif and convert to .tga' is not a reasonable answer! Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output Date: 02 Aug 1998 15:15:19 EDT In a message dated 8/2/98 7:19:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kragen@pobox.com writes: > On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Barry Bluestein wrote: > > Stefan, why don't you just save the file as a GIF from Fractint, then use > > one of the many available graphic softwares to convert the GIF to a TGA > file? > > Aren't .gifs limited to 256 colors? I'm de-lurking here. I use the latest PaintShop Pro, which allows increase of colors and a lot of tweaking. You can then save it in any number of formats. Damascena Korwen Visit my Corridor of Chaos fractint art page at http://members.aol.com/RoseIndigo/index.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: (fractint) Windows help Date: 02 Aug 1998 13:13:03 -0700 I know this is off topic....but win95 just did it to me!! All of a sudden I'm getting a funny font rather than the windows standard. I've tried all of the standard settings using Control Panel. Any help in restoring the original font would be much appreciated since this one is readable but very jagged when using Netscape. Please reply off line to wizzle@beachnet.com Thanks Angela Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: (fractint) Windows help Date: 02 Aug 1998 13:13:03 -0700 I know this is off topic....but win95 just did it to me!! All of a sudden I'm getting a funny font rather than the windows standard. I've tried all of the standard settings using Control Panel. Any help in restoring the original font would be much appreciated since this one is readable but very jagged when using Netscape. Please reply off line to wizzle@beachnet.com Thanks Angela Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output Date: 02 Aug 1998 23:07:31 +0200 Damascena wrote: :I'm de-lurking here. I use the latest PaintShop Pro, which allows increase of :colors and a lot of tweaking. You can then save it in any number of formats. This may well be, but this still doesn't provide one with the image information that a 16bit fractint output image would. All effects achieved with image manipulating programs like PSP are synthetical and don't give an accurate representation of the fractal nature a 16bit fractint image would have. Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output Date: 02 Aug 1998 20:51:02 EDT In a message dated 8/2/98 4:52:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl writes: > This may well be, but this still doesn't provide one with the image > information that a 16bit fractint output image would. Hi Christian! Okay, this is true; if what you are looking for is 16bit fractint, we will all probably have to wait a while. I get swamped enough with 256 colors myself :) and use the other system *very* rarely for fractal images -- being a bit of a purist..... Dama Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output Date: 03 Aug 1998 10:15:37 -0500 I have a few thoughts on this. If you want images with more than 256 colors, FractInt alone will not do it (yet). There are various things you can do, such as render a fractal twice, but with slightly different parameters, then combine then in PSP. This very much preserves the fractal nature of the image. You can get part of this by using PHC/PTC techniques in FractInt, although this restricts the combination method to a 50-50 mix. I've had more pleasing results by using one image as hue and saturation, and another image as lightness. There are also programs which will render in 24-bit color to begin with. I believe Terry Gintz's software will read FractInt PAR files, and if possible render them smoothly in true color (but I have never used it extensively, so I'm just going from memory here). I think there are some other programs (TrueMand?) that will do this sort of thing as well, although I suspect neither support all the FractInt features. And there are programs like TieraZon (and all of Steve Ferguson's other programs) and Ultra Fractal which will render in true color natively. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lavondyss Subject: (fractint) Page Updates Date: 03 Aug 1998 23:48:02 -0500 Ok, I have finally been able to update my page. I've added a few 24-bit fractals. Dunno if any checks, but here's the URL. If you do visit, please be patient while the thumbnails are finished. http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nguy0505/Fractals.htm Enjoy! Lavondyss Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nigel H. J. Long" Subject: (fractint) Fractint on a non-DOS box? Date: 04 Aug 1998 09:38:19 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Hello everyone, I have 'acquired' a second PC (from the office waste skip actually) and want to use it to learn Linux (red hat?). 1) Is the XFractint port ok under linux? 2) if it is, how does it compare to the DOS version (19.6 specifically) 3) if it runs, does it require Xwindow to run? (the box is a rather elderly 486 and low on RAM and diskspace) Please bear in mind that I am a complete linux-newbie!! Assume I know nothing (believe me, that's true). PLEASE REPLY TO ME DIRECT at n.h.long@soton.ac.uk unless you think your comments may be of more general interest. Any thoughts and comments welcome, Thanks in advance. ---------------------- Nigel H. J. Long n.h.long@soton.ac.uk "Of all the forces of nature, the hardest to overcome is the force of habit..." Terry Pratchett. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John C. A. Misterio'" Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output Date: 04 Aug 1998 12:56:21 +0100 Kragen wrote: > On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, John C. A. Misterio' wrote: > > Kragen wrote: > > > > > Aren't .gifs limited to 256 colors? > > > > Yes, GIF is a standart limited to 256 colors. No more, no less. > > Actually, it can be "less" -- there are 4-color .gifs, 16-color .gifs, etc. > > But if the guy wants a 64kcolor picture, 'save as .gif and convert to > .tga' is not a reasonable answer! > > Kragen Ok, you're right. There are 16- and 4-color GIFs - my fault. Of course it is not the correct way to 'save as .gif and convert to .tga'. In fact you can increase the number of colors. Then you have 256 different colors in a 64k-palette. Or even in a 16777216-color-palette. So the only way to get a 'real' highcolor-pic is to "combine" two fractals with slightly different parameters. Markus Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Burnett Subject: (fractint) A plea for help with an Internet Survey (completely off topic) Date: 05 Aug 1998 07:24:51 +1000 Hi Everyone, I am passing on this letter from a friend who is trying to finish her Masters - on the social effects & implications of the 'net. It would be really good if you could fill out her survey. Please pass it on to everyone you can as she needs a wide spectrum of people / nationalities etc to make the research meaningfull regards David Hello friend(s), I am short the required numbers for my university research and would eagerly ask if you could help me out by giving your opinion & passing on this message. The online survey is anonymous and only takes 15 minutes to complete. Go to this web address: http://von.com.au/research/ to fill out the form and press the submit button when you have finished. Then pass on this message to everyone you know could help out. ************************************************************* HOW HAS THE INTERNET CHANGED YOUR LIFE? ************************************************************* ***If you were thinking of doing the survey NOW IS THE TIME. It only takes 15 minutes. ***If you have already done the survey - thank you (please pass this message on to others) ***If you are having difficulties please contact me - wvb@clairvision.org ***If you have more friends or relatives anywhere in the world who use the internet PLEASE PASS ON THIS MESSAGE. (press the forward button and cc: everyone you know would possibly help out) yours sincerely, Wilhelmina von Buellen wvb@clairvision.org Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Camp" Subject: RE: (fractint) TGA image output Date: 05 Aug 1998 00:07:47 -0700 But what if you increase the palate size to 24bit and then resize the fractal? That gives an enormous increase in colors. Would simply anti-aliasing provide you with the neccesaty colors? Just a thought... | jon camp | | valparaiso univerisity <>< | | chaotic n-space network | | http://www.valpo.edu/home/student/jcamp/fractals_gate.html | Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: abraxas Subject: (fractint) 2ND Post- Sure could use some help !! Date: 05 Aug 1998 20:20:16 -0400 Running Fractint (tried several versions) on a P300 with 128M Ram. Everytime I use the save function, my screen turns neon with an abstract of my desktop and that is what gets saved. NOT my Fractal. Anybody have any ideas ?? Thanks in advance. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry Bluestein Subject: Re: (fractint) 2ND Post- Sure could use some help !! Date: 06 Aug 1998 01:07:52 -0400 abraxas wrote: > Running Fractint (tried several versions) on a P300 with 128M Ram. > Everytime I > use the save function, my screen turns neon with an abstract of my > desktop and that > is what gets saved. NOT my Fractal. Anybody have any ideas ?? Thanks in > advance. > When posting tech support questions such as this, at a bare minimum, you need to provide your operating system information (In Win 95/98/NT look in Control Panel>System. Be sure to give the complete version number), and video card model (again, give exact version number). Are you running Fractint in a window, full-screen or in DOS mode? Are you in true DOS or just using the command prompt? (The last is obvious, but I ask for completeness sake) -- Barry Bluestein - President The Lapis Group Information Technology Consulting - Internet Strategic Planning 11629 Deborah DR, Suite 1000, Potomac, MD 20854 301-299-0083 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nigel H. J. Long" Subject: (fractint) Savetime minus has downside Date: 06 Aug 1998 10:03:00 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Recently there was a brief discussion of using the SAVETIME parameter with a minus time, to abort a batch mode plot after a set time. I tried this, using savetime=-10, but found that I could no longer exit the batch. I use ParToBat, which reads for the 'errorlevel 2' sent by Fractint on premature exit. If I tried to quit a plot I was passed to the next plot in the batch, not the abort part of the batch file. It appears that the minus version of the parameter upsets the errorlevel in some way. Anybody else found this? Could this be why it is undocumented? ---------------------- Nigel H. J. Long n.h.long@soton.ac.uk Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jacco Burger" Subject: (fractint) Selecting thingys Date: 06 Aug 1998 22:00:29 +0200 Almost two weeks ago I returned from a holiday in Ireland, and started digesting the archive files of this mailinglist at xmission.com to catch up. Speaking of Ireland, I noticed that those acient Irish Celts had a very popular symbol called the tri-spiral which has a striking resamblance with a fractal of type Julzpower with p1=3... or was it just the Guiness playing tricks on me...?? Well, maybe it was just the Irish breakfast In the archivefile of Fri, 17 Jul 1998 there was a message from Wizzle, in which she asks: > >How do you all select which rendering method (that x thingy) you >use for a particular image? Some of Jacco's images were obviously >done with that . But why pick that rather than g >(my fav), single pass.....etc?????? > >I really need a crash course prior to the contest!~!!!!!!! > Though I am not sure what Wizzle means by 'Testxxxxx method' or 'x thingy', I will try to give an answer to that. ('X thingy' would make a nice name for a fractal, b.t.w.... ). I assume that she was referring to the effect produced by the combination of passes=b and fillcolor=nnn (where nnn is any number from 0 to 255). Maybe that is already part of the answer, the 'secret' is in this combination. Passes=g or passes=b doesn't make much difference, except when fillcolor is set to a number (it is also on the x-screen, default: fillcolor=normal). Where passes=g produces solid colored bands, passes=b with fillcolor=nnn produces thin lines that indicate the boundaries of the bands. The effect reminds me of spiderwebs http://wwwserv.caiw.nl/~jaccobu/jpg640x480/jacco035.jpg ), spaghetti http://wwwserv.caiw.nl/~jaccobu/jpg640x480/jacco010.jpg ) or seaweed http://wwwserv.caiw.nl/~jaccobu/jpg640x480/jacco054.jpg ), depending on the colors used. I got this idea from a image by Bradley Beacham which is stored in the parfile Fract19.par that comes with Fractint. The entry is called 'Zorro'. (press '2', press F6, choose Fract19.par, scroll all the way down, and choose 'Zorro') When applying this combination I advise to set fillcolor=255, or any other number of a color that is not or not much used. Also note that inside=0 gives errors. Go to the x-screen and use any other inside-color number, or one of the inside-color options (bof60, zmag, etc). If you use fractaltype Mandel or Julia I can also recommend to add outside=real, imag or summ (also x-screen). It can give a nice effect. Anyway, like all other combination of options in Fractint, it is just a matter of trying and see what you get. After some time you will get an idea of how it works. Wizzle, I hope this is the answer to your question. I sure would like to see an image of you on the Fractint 98 contest with this combination! I also would like to take the liberty of suggesting a title: 'Wizzle's X-thingy'... :-) Bye! Jacco e-mail Jacco.Burger@kabelfoon.nl visit my fractal gallery at http://wwwserv.caiw.nl/~jaccobu/index.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) PARS Date: 07 Aug 1998 00:46:41 -0700 Hi. Some of these use the "x-thingy". Not for the purists. cons1 {;Julia constellation viewed from conservatory ; kathy roth 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=AbsArcTangentia2 center-mag=-6.855e-006/9.985e-006/0.68468 params=0.01/1 maxiter=2000 inside=bof60 colors=KKH0oT0xU0zW<7>0JJ<14>0xx0\ zz2tt<6>JE9<15>yjU<7>BJF<15>_zn<6>LO3<8\ >px9<5>KMGFGIBBM<14>WWz<7>J9J<15>zW\ z<7>J09<15>z0W<7>J90<15>zW0<7>JJ0<15>\ zz0<7>99J<15>WWz<7>0J9<12>0rS } cons2 { ; kathy roth 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=AbsArcTangentia2 center-mag=1.225e-006/1.3945e-005/0.3149532 params=0.01/1 maxiter=2000 inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0 colors=KKHWWz<7>0J9<12>0rS0oT\ 0xU0zW<7>0JJ<14>0xx0zz2tt<6>JE9<15>yjU<7>BJ\ F<15>_zn<6>LO3<8>px9<5>KMGFGIB\ BM<14>WWz<7>J9J<15>zWz<7>J09<15>z0W<7>J90<\ 15>zW0<7>JJ0<15>zz0<7>99J<14>UUx } cons3 { ; kathy roth 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=AbsArcTangentia2 passes=b center-mag=1.225e-006/1.3945e-005/0.3149532 params=0.01/1 maxiter=2000 fillcolor=3 inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0 colors=KKH0oT0xU0zW<7>0JJ<14>0xx\ 0zz2tt<6>JE9<15>yjU<7>BJF<15>_zn<6>LO3<8\ >px9<5>KMGFGIBBM<14>WWz<7>J9J<15>zW\ z<7>J09<15>z0W<7>J90<15>zW0<7>JJ0<15>\ zz0<7>99J<15>WWz<7>0J9<12>0rS } cons4 { ; kathy roth 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=AbsArcTangentia1 passes=g3 center-mag=-0.609971/1.17536/2.380952 params=0.11/1 maxiter=2000 fillcolor=3 inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0 colors=0000P0<2>0W0<4>880<10>WW\ 0<3>KD7LAA<9>zWW<4>HH8<10>zzW<4>H80<10>zW\ 0<4>H08<10>z0W<4>H8D<10>zWk<4>H8H<10>z\ Wz<4>H0H<10>z0z<4>08H<10>0Wz<4>88H\ <10>WWz<4>00H<10>00z<4>088<10>0WW<4>0H\ H<10>0zz<4>0H8<10>0zW<4>0H0<10>0z0\ <4>080<6>0N0 } cons0 { ; kathy roth 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=AbsArcTangentia1 passes=b center-mag=-0.609971/1.17536/2.380952 params=0.11/1 maxiter=2000 fillcolor=3 inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0 colors=I8FGDJ<5>Zrk<7>C40<7>zii<7>F0\ 0<7>zrc<7>N57<7>yZJ<7>c20<7>zaV<7>F0\ 0<7>sog<7>I8F<6>unr<7>8F8<7>lyl<7>05\ A<7>cru<7>444<7>mmz<7>I8F<7>zmm<7>A0\ 0<7>zzg<7>N13<7>z_K<7>g50<7>zvn<7>I8\ F<7>ghl<7>08C<7>ata<7>A0AD6E } frm:AbsArcTangentia1 (ORIGIN) {; Tom Schumm ; Attempt to change the shape of the escape boundry z = Pixel, z = Sqr(z): ; Just like julia z = z + p1 z = Sqr(z) imag(z) <= abs(1/tan(real(z))) ; Different escape boundry ;SOURCE: phong2.frm } frm:AbsArcTangentia2 (ORIGIN) {; Tom Schumm ; Attempt to change the shape of the escape boundry z = Pixel, z = Sqr(z): ; Just like julia z = z + p1 z = Sqr(z) imag(z) <= abs(1/tan(real(z))+4) ; Different escape boundry ;SOURCE: phong2.frm } frm:AbsArcTangentia3 (ORIGIN) {; Tom Schumm ; Attempt to change the shape of the escape boundry z = Pixel, z = Sqr(z): ; Just like julia z = z + p1 z = Sqr(z) imag(z) <= abs(1/tan(real(z)))+4 ; Different escape boundry ;SOURCE: phong2.frm } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Selecting thingys Date: 07 Aug 1998 03:46:28 -0500 Jacco Burger wrote: > > I assume that she was referring to the effect produced by the > combination of passes=b and fillcolor=nnn (where nnn is any > number from 0 to 255). > .......... ( snipped ) ........... > produces thin lines that indicate the boundaries of the bands. > The effect reminds me of spiderwebs > Another example of this is one from "Oooo": Spiral59 { ; time= 0:00:47.02 on a P-200 at 1024x768 ; using FractInt 1960.0 ; mailto:oooo@calweb.com reset=1960 type=fn(z)+fn(pix) function=sin/exp passes=b center-mag=-1.8129/2.17197/13.33019 params=0.008999999999999999/-0.2/1.0211/0.512 float=y bailout=2 bailoutest=and fillcolor=142 inside=bof60 decomp=120 colors=000los<15>OI5<15>xn_<15>OI5<15>nru<15>000200501000<24>\ 526626626627637737<2>738808<46>N9aN9aN9`<19>H9LH9KG8JF8I<14>\ A6BA6BA6BA6B96A<33>334<11>hko } The completed image may be found at: http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/images/o/SPIRALS/SPIRAL59.GIF P.N.L. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) 2ND Post- Sure could use some help !! Date: 07 Aug 1998 03:54:26 -0500 abraxas wrote: > > Running Fractint (tried several versions) on a P300 with 128M Ram. > Everytime I use the save function, my screen turns neon with an > abstract of my desktop and that is what gets saved. NOT my Fractal. > Anybody have any ideas ?? Thanks in advance. > Besides specifying the information that Barry suggestted, have you created your own SSTOOLS.INI file yet?? If so, what values are set in it?? P.N.L. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Elaina Tillinghast Subject: (fractint) rendering method Date: 07 Aug 1998 05:14:29 -0500 In the archivefile of Fri, 17 Jul 1998 there was a message from Wizzle, in which she asks: > >How do you all select which rendering method (that x thingy) you >use for a particular image? Some of Jacco's images were obviously >done with that . But why pick that rather than g >(my fav), single pass.....etc?????? I remember asking a question like that to myself. I pick options at random and see what happens. I couldn't tell a difference in time between guessing or boundary or "divide and conquer" rendering. I like the quick results of guessing to see if I really botched a zoom or if the next attempt looks way too much like the last. I wasn't keeping a stop watch on it. Rendering method is the first option on the x screen. I am curious as to what advantages might be in the others except to provide drama. -- Juice --have fun --harm none Thinking corrupts the mind thus efforts like the web never finish. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John C. A. Misterio'" Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output Date: 05 Aug 1998 20:53:46 +0100 Jon Camp wrote: > But what if you increase the palate size to 24bit and then resize the > fractal? That gives an enormous increase in colors. Would simply > anti-aliasing provide you with the neccesaty colors? > Just a thought... I know what you mean. Anti-aliasing is in fact a method to increase the different colors. But try it out : - Create a 16-color-fractal - Increase to 24bit-colors - Resize, Blur, everything you want. - Decrase to 256 colors. This picture will >>NEVER<< look like the same fractal created with 256 colors. I think it's exactly the same with 64k-pictures. Markus Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Elaina Tillinghast Subject: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp) Date: 07 Aug 1998 05:25:54 -0500 Ok I give. One of the neatest fractals I've had a hand in making is just a rotation and a color palette change from a fractint distribution example in the par file. How many people will be screaming "off with her head" if I claim its "mine"? It was the first one I thought of when I started looking through my stuff for the contest. My impulse to have people look at the 2 and tell me if they are different enough to be different would kill it for the contest. At the very least I have other stuff that is very mine. Juice --have fun --harm none Thinking corrupts the mind thus efforts like the web never finish. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Croucher Subject: (fractint) Absolute beginner in need of help... Date: 07 Aug 1998 12:09:34 +0000 Hi! Let me start off by saying I know practically nothing about fractals, although I am dying to learn. The reason for my enthusiasm is that I am a Research Assistant at the Science Museum in London, England, working within a group that are developing a new gallery called "Pattern Place", which is aimed at 3-6 year olds (and their parents!). My interest is to look at patterns within fractals, and how these can be interpreted in a basic, but scientific way. I also want to get hold of some high quality images, both 3D and 2D. We need to show fractals in everyday life, and the idea that we have at the moment for an exhibit is the "fractal cauliflower": a large 3D cauliflower puzzle, where visitors can join up the florets to make the cauliflower, to show that cauliflowers are fractal, that is, its component parts are the same shape as the overall shape, but on a different scale. I would like some help on whether this is a good "real life" model of a fractal or if there are better examples, and also some pointers on where to get good fractal pictures. I am just finishing a PhD in Fibre Optic Sensing, so can cope with a reasonable amount of maths, but as little as possible, thanks! Many thanks for your help in advance! Jane Croucher. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marie Drozdis" Subject: RE: (fractint) Absolute beginner in need of help... Date: 07 Aug 1998 10:35:43 -0400 You can see many fractal pictures of ordinary life in the book _Fractals, the Patterns of Chaos_. This is by John Briggs, and is widely available. It is geared toward the public, rather than strictly to the fractal enthusiast, and has examples that are easy to relate to. Good luck Marie -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jane Croucher >>> I would like some help on whether this is a good "real life" model of a fractal or if there are better examples, and also some pointers on where to get good fractal pictures. I am just finishing a PhD in Fibre Optic Sensing, so can cope with a reasonable amount of maths, but as little as possible, thanks! Many thanks for your help in advance! Jane Croucher. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marie Drozdis" Subject: RE: (fractint) Absolute beginner in need of help... Date: 07 Aug 1998 10:35:43 -0400 You can see many fractal pictures of ordinary life in the book _Fractals, the Patterns of Chaos_. This is by John Briggs, and is widely available. It is geared toward the public, rather than strictly to the fractal enthusiast, and has examples that are easy to relate to. Good luck Marie -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jane Croucher >>> I would like some help on whether this is a good "real life" model of a fractal or if there are better examples, and also some pointers on where to get good fractal pictures. I am just finishing a PhD in Fibre Optic Sensing, so can cope with a reasonable amount of maths, but as little as possible, thanks! Many thanks for your help in advance! Jane Croucher. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Pearson Subject: RE: (fractint) Savetime minus has downside Date: 07 Aug 1998 16:50:25 +0200 I checked again. No such problem here. I have to press Esc twice - the first time it stops calculating and starts saving - the second time it aborts and the partobat batchfile aborts too. If you only press Esc once you'll get the behaviour you describe. Joe >Recently there was a brief discussion of using the SAVETIME >parameter with a minus time, to abort a batch mode plot >after a set time. > >I tried this, using savetime=-10, but found that I could no >longer exit the batch. I use ParToBat, which reads >for the 'errorlevel 2' sent by Fractint on premature exit. >If I tried to quit a plot I was passed to the next plot in >the batch, not the abort part of the batch file. It appears >that the minus version of the parameter upsets the >errorlevel in some way. Anybody else found this? > >Could this be why it is undocumented? >---------------------- >Nigel H. J. Long >n.h.long@soton.ac.uk > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp) Date: 07 Aug 1998 09:01:21 -0700 This raises the whole issue of copyright, again! In fact, that precise question has been asked before. I have a lengthy file of messages posted to this list, and to the fractal-arts list, dealing with copyright issues. You can download a copy from: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/copyright.zip In a nutshell, I would be very cautious in this area. The issue is a little muddy, but at best, you may make another fractal artist mad. At worst, it could be a copyright infringement. WARNING TO ALL NEW COMERS TO THE LIST! The issue of copyright has been done to death on the list. If you are new to the list, and want to see a copy of past discussion, you can download it from the above URL. Please don't start a new thread dealing with copyright issues until you have read that entire 373K file! There is nothing new under the sun, and some, if not all, of the old-timers on this list, have grown tired of the ongoing debate. Thanks for understanding! Linda Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) Absolute beginner in need of help... Date: 07 Aug 1998 09:28:21 -0700 Ferns are a good example. Lind Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp) Date: 07 Aug 1998 13:05:01 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote: > This raises the whole issue of copyright, again! In fact, that precise > question has been asked before. Well, I think the concern here is not that authors will be deprived of money they would otherwise earn, which is what copyright is all about, but that authors will be deprived of the credit that is rightfully theirs for creating kick-butt images. This is known as "moral rights". I think it's not about money because I think most of the authors here don't earn money by selling fractals. > At worst, it could be a copyright infringement. Worse, it could be plagiarism. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp) Date: 07 Aug 1998 10:11:03 -0700 Kragen: Sounds like you haven't read the document of our ongoing debate. The issue of "Compensation," which is not always monetary, was also discussed. I've attached a copy of that documentation for your reference (attached to Kragen's copy, only). Linda PS To the list: Any other comments and I'll be glad to send a copy to that person, as well :-)) -----Original Message----- >On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote: >> This raises the whole issue of copyright, again! In fact, that precise >> question has been asked before. > >Well, I think the concern here is not that authors will be deprived of >money they would otherwise earn, which is what copyright is all about, >but that authors will be deprived of the credit that is rightfully >theirs for creating kick-butt images. This is known as "moral >rights". > >I think it's not about money because I think most of the authors here >don't earn money by selling fractals. > >> At worst, it could be a copyright infringement. > >Worse, it could be plagiarism. > >Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 07 Aug 1998 13:27:15 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote: > I have a lengthy file of messages posted to this list, and to the > fractal-arts list, dealing with copyright issues. You can download a > copy from: > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/copyright.zip Now see here! That ZIP file contains a single file named copyright_discussion.doc in some non-obvious binary format (perhaps one of the ten or so variants of Microsoft Word format?). If you want people to read it, put it in a universally readable format. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bart Luyckx Subject: (fractint) Maybe my mail will be more successfull now: Permedia2 (2) Date: 07 Aug 1998 19:31:38 +0200 I guess sending gifs is not a good idea?! tjauwkes, :c) Hi, this is my first message. Has anyone out there got any idea how I can get my Permedia2 working with the fractint 19.6 version? The highest resolution I can get is 640X480! I'm not "technical" enough to start experimenting with different settings when I'm not entirely sure what way to go. Thanks for any help in this matter. here some gifs I made "on the fly". :c) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp) Date: 07 Aug 1998 13:34:18 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote: > I've attached a copy of that documentation for your reference (attached > to Kragen's copy, only). > > PS To the list: Any other comments and I'll be glad to send a copy to > that person, as well :-)) Shutting people up by mailing them an uninvited half-megabyte file is known as "mailbombing" where I come from. It's against Netcom's acceptable-use policy and will get your account suspended, then terminated, if you continue to do it. Please do not threaten to mailbomb people. Kragen (who is lucky enough to be relatively immune to mailbomb damage) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp) Date: 07 Aug 1998 10:38:23 -0700 Ok, Kragen. Do you want a copy of the documentation sent in the body of an email? Yes will get one sent. No will indicate your true intent is not information but argumentation. Linda -----Original Message----- >On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote: >> I've attached a copy of that documentation for your reference (attached >> to Kragen's copy, only). >> >> PS To the list: Any other comments and I'll be glad to send a copy to >> that person, as well :-)) > >Shutting people up by mailing them an uninvited half-megabyte file is >known as "mailbombing" where I come from. It's against Netcom's >acceptable-use policy and will get your account suspended, then >terminated, if you continue to do it. > >Please do not threaten to mailbomb people. > >Kragen (who is lucky enough to be relatively immune to mailbomb damage) > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 07 Aug 1998 10:39:51 -0700 >Now see here! That ZIP file contains a single file named >copyright_discussion.doc in some non-obvious binary format (perhaps one >of the ten or so variants of Microsoft Word format?). If you want >people to read it, put it in a universally readable format. Jay? This one is for you to answer. Linda Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp) Date: 07 Aug 1998 14:14:07 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote: > Ok, Kragen. Do you want a copy of the documentation sent in the body of > an email? I've already got one. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp) Date: 07 Aug 1998 11:21:59 -0700 >On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote: >> Ok, Kragen. Do you want a copy of the documentation sent in the body of >> an email? > >I've already got one. I hope it is readable. Where did you finally get it? I ask because I don't want the same problems to occur again with someone else. Linda Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 07 Aug 1998 14:44:19 -0500 Kragen wrote: > > On Linda Allison wrote: > > > > copy from: > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/copyright.zip > > Now see here! That ZIP file contains a single file named > copyright_discussion.doc in some non-obvious binary format > (perhaps one of the ten or so variants of Microsoft Word > format?). If you want people to read it, put it in a > universally readable format. > That would seem to be most logical. And besides, the file size could almost be cut in half by saving it as a DOS-formatted text file. P.N.L. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 07 Aug 1998 13:04:19 -0700 Hi, Paul! Have you read the file? It was saved in Wordpad. As I told Kragen in a private email, if it is opened through Notepad or Wordpad, you shouldn't have any problem reading it. The original file was then zipped by Jay to make it even smaller. Linda -----Original Message----- >Kragen wrote: >> >> On Linda Allison wrote: >> > >> > copy from: >> > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/copyright.zip >> >> Now see here! That ZIP file contains a single file named >> copyright_discussion.doc in some non-obvious binary format >> (perhaps one of the ten or so variants of Microsoft Word >> format?). If you want people to read it, put it in a >> universally readable format. >> > >That would seem to be most logical. And besides, the file size could >almost be cut in half by saving it as a DOS-formatted text file. > >P.N.L. >------------------------------------------------- > Why do most folks hate cynics so much? > Because we're almost always right. >------------------------------------------------- >http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 07 Aug 1998 13:24:19 -0700 Hi, again, Paul! I may have to retract one statement. I don't remember if I zipped the copyright file before sending it to Jay, or whether he zipped it when he received it. In either circumstance, please let me know if you can't read it as an ASCII text file. I can, but Kragen says he can't. If there is a coding problem, we should replace the file on Jay's page with a corrected version to avoid these problems in the future. Our whole purpose is to avoid constantly revisiting copyright issues, but if newcomers can't access the file, our purpose is not being served! Linda Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 07 Aug 1998 15:37:48 -0500 Mike and Linda Allison wrote: > > Have you read the file? It was saved in Wordpad. > As I told Kragen in a private email, if it is opened > through Notepad or Wordpad, you shouldn't have any > problem reading it. The original file was then zipped > by Jay to make it even smaller. > Greetings Linda, I have downloaded a copy from the suggestted URL and have read it. It does help those that wish to know the answer to that same old tired question. Thanks for putting it all together. I know this thread really shouldn't be continued, but.... The COPYRIGHT.ZIP file is 81.5-KB (83,475 bytes) and contains one file. When extracted, the COPYRIGHT_DISCUSSION.DOC file becomes 341-KB (349,184 bytes), which is way to big for Notepad. So, this document must be opended with something like Wordpad or MS-Word. When saving a file using Wordpad, the default is for the Word for Windows 6.0 format. You must therefore choose one of the other three formats available: Rich Text Format (RTF) Text Document Text Document - MS-DOS Format The latter being the most widely readable by the world. If it had been saved in a Text Document format, then the file size would have been somewhere around 176-KB (180,4343 bytes). This would have then zipped down to a size of around 57.5-KB (58,921 bytes). P.N.L. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 07 Aug 1998 13:36:21 -0700 Linda wrote: >> The file is written in ASCII text. It's too large for Notepad, so saved >> with the extension .doc for Wordpad. If you go through Notepad or >> Wordpad, you should have no problem reading it. Kragen wrote: >The file is not written in ASCII text; if you open it with Notepad, you >will see this. I did. It opens fine on my system. Kragen further wrote: >I will not install Notepad or Wordpad on my system, because I will not >install Microsoft Windows on my system, and I *certainly* won't install >Microsoft Windows on the machine where I read my mail, because it's a Sun. You must have some kind of ASCII text reader. Try opening it through that reader. And like I said before, I will be glad to send it as the body of an email, to avoid any problems that arise as a result of file attachments. Linda Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 07 Aug 1998 13:43:51 -0700 (PDT) > > Hi, again, Paul! > > I may have to retract one statement. I don't remember if I zipped the > copyright file before sending it to Jay, or whether he zipped it when he > received it. In either circumstance, please let me know if you can't > read it as an ASCII text file. I can, but Kragen says he can't. If > there is a coding problem, we should replace the file on Jay's page with > a corrected version to avoid these problems in the future. Our whole > purpose is to avoid constantly revisiting copyright issues, but if > newcomers can't access the file, our purpose is not being served! I downloaded the copyright.zip file from the URL given earlier in this discussion. It is readable in Word or WordPad (I had no problems). I was researching questions that I had been pondering about the copyright issue before joining this list today. I found that most all the general questions that I had were addressed in that collection of messages. Any that aren't can be addressed with individuals if I have the need. Just exercise some common sense, do some research, be respectful of the the efforts of others, and most problems can be avoided. In my limited time exploring fractals and Fractint recently, I've found the more experienced people to be very helpful in terms of the information they disseminate on their web pages, email discussions, and in private email. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 07 Aug 1998 14:09:26 -0700 Hi, Paul! >The COPYRIGHT.ZIP file is 81.5-KB (83,475 bytes) and contains one file. >When extracted, the COPYRIGHT_DISCUSSION.DOC file becomes 341-KB >(349,184 bytes), which is way to big for Notepad. So, this document >must be opended with something like Wordpad or MS-Word. > >When saving a file using Wordpad, the default is for the Word for >Windows 6.0 format. You must therefore choose one of the other three >formats available: > Rich Text Format (RTF) > Text Document > Text Document - MS-DOS Format >The latter being the most widely readable by the world. > >If it had been saved in a Text Document format, then the file size would >have been somewhere around 176-KB (180,4343 bytes). This would have >then zipped down to a size of around 57.5-KB (58,921 bytes). Thanks, Paul for all the help. I've resaved it as a text file, and will find out if Jay wants me to send him the new condensed version, or whether he wants to make the revisions himself. Either way, a replacement for the file that he currently makes available through his web page will result! Thanks! Linda Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Gilman Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc Date: 07 Aug 1998 14:41:15 -0700 >Thanks, Paul for all the help. I've resaved it as a text file, and will >find out if Jay wants me to send him the new condensed version, or >whether he wants to make the revisions himself. Either way, a >replacement for the file that he currently makes available through his >web page will result! > >Thanks! >Linda $0.02 - It'd be really neat if most fractint-related docs could move away from using word-processor specific file formats. I'm porting fractint to the Mac, and although I can decode pretty much any file in the world, unix-based life forms don't have much in the way of MS Word conversion. In terms of platform independence, I like all the file formats that are free (RTF, ASCII [filtering mutant MS-DOS ASCII isn't tough], HTML, etc), especially since Fractint is itself free. -= tim - mixing Apples with oranges. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Page Updates Date: 07 Aug 1998 17:46:35 -0500 Lavondyss wrote: > > I have finally been able to update my page. I've added a few 24-bit > fractals. Dunno if any checks, but here's the URL. If you do visit, > please be patient while the thumbnails are finished. > > http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nguy0505/Fractals.htm > You've got some really nice images at your site!! But maybe 68 fractal thumbnails on one web page may be a little too much. It took about 10 minutes to download the whole page with a 33.6 modem connection. P.N.L. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc Date: 08 Aug 1998 02:12:27 +0200 Tim Gilman wrote: :It'd be really neat if most fractint-related docs could move away from :using word-processor specific file formats. I'm porting fractint to the :Mac, and although I can decode pretty much any file in the world, :unix-based life forms don't have much in the way of MS Word conversion. : :In terms of platform independence, I like all the file formats that are :free (RTF, ASCII [filtering mutant MS-DOS ASCII isn't tough], HTML, etc), :especially since Fractint is itself free. IMO the primary format that should be used is plain DOS text. Fractint is still a DOS program (well, the main version :) ) and therefore it may only be assumed that users are able to use DOS. Of course other formats may be used except the plain dos text, but dos text is required. Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John C. A. Misterio'" Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc Date: 08 Aug 1998 11:21:18 +0100 Dean-Christian Strik wrote: > IMO the primary format that should be used is plain DOS text. Sorry, but the 'plain text'-inventor is NOT MICROSOFT !!! So do NOT call it plain DOS text. They have not invented everything about a computer. They have never invented anything. John C. A. Misterio' PS: Kragen : There are not 10 .DOC formats : Write Wordpad Microsoft Word 2.0 Microsoft Word 6.0 Microsoft Word 6.2 Microsoft Word 95/96/97/98/99/2000/2001/.... and so on Incompatible to each other. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JoWeber Subject: (fractint) update my site and pars Date: 08 Aug 1998 11:14:48 -0400 Hi to all, some zooms into Carr2884. For the complete set of pars visit the download site of my homepage http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JoWeber Cheers --Jo-- c2884018 { ; t=3D 0:09:34.90 = ; on a P233MMX at 1600x1200 Jul 04, 1998 10:58:43 ; Par and Image Copyright 1998 by Jo Weber ; e-mail to JoWeber@compuserve.com reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dprojekt.frm formulaname=3Dcar= r2884 passes=3D1 center-mag=3D0.961478/0.276847/13.04388/1/69.999 params=3D200/300/400/550 float=3Dy maxiter=3D647 periodicity=3D0 colors=3D000000<20>7Nt7Pw7Ot<21>012000000<22>e0F<22>100000000000<22>WFw= <15\ >0z0<15>WFw<22>F00UMM<14>svc<15>0F0000BGJ<13>5Sb<15>zz0<15>070 } c2884027 { ; t=3D 0:21:10.75 = ; on a P233MMX at 1600x1200 Jul 19, 1998 11:18:44 ; Par and Image Copyright 1998 by Jo Weber ; e-mail to JoWeber@compuserve.com reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dprojekt.frm formulaname=3Dcar= r2884 passes=3D1 center-mag=3D0.556835/0.392897/8.215544/1/20 params=3D200/300/400/550 float=3Dy maxiter=3D647 periodicity=3D0 colors=3D000g00<8>z00<30>200000011<30>0kk<30>022000101<30>k0z<30>202000= 110\ <30>kz0<28>230000000000<20>e00 } c2884032 { ; t=3D 0:30:14.73 = ; on a P233MMX at 1600x1200 Jul 19, 1998 11:24:21 ; Par and Image Copyright 1998 by Jo Weber ; e-mail to JoWeber@compuserve.com reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dprojekt.frm formulaname=3Dcar= r2884 passes=3D1 center-mag=3D0.176921/0.970362/12.20156/1/100 params=3D200/300/400/550 float=3Dy maxiter=3D647 periodicity=3D0 colors=3D000000<15>OAeQBhREi<10>`lyapz`ly<9>QBh<19>102000000000<15>G7SH= 7UK\ BU<11>svc<9>H7U<18>214102001000000200<14>X00Z00Z34<11>`lvapz`ku<8>X56X0= 0\ V00<18>100000000<13>M9`OAbODc<13>_wn`zo_wn<14>K8Y<15>000 } c2884042 { ; t=3D 0:23:42.13 = ; on a P233MMX at 1600x1200 Jul 22, 1998 23:21:18 ; Par and Image Copyright 1998 by Jo Weber ; e-mail to JoWeber@compuserve.com reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dfractint.frm formulaname=3Dcarr2884 passes=3D1 center-mag=3D0.103934/0.726733/16.75375/1/102.5 params=3D200/300/400/55= 0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D647 periodicity=3D0 colors=3D000000070<10>7PB7RC7RI<6>7Px<7>7RI7RC6PB5M94K7<8>070000000000z= zz<\ 9>hhh<13>zzz000000H5U<11>`Fw<8>7RC<6>7Mw<7>YFw`FwbIw<8>oow<11>```000000= 0\ 00700<10>`00<7>zz0<7>`00<10>700000000000007<8>6BU6CW7DZ7F`6HZ5JX<6>0XF<= 7\ >zz0<10>zyn<11>070<14>0M0<8>7Px } c2884050 { ; t=3D 0:43:28.03 = ; on a P233MMX at 1600x1200 Jul 22, 1998 23:25:07 ; Par and Image Copyright 1998 by Jo Weber ; e-mail to JoWeber@compuserve.com reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dfractint.frm formulaname=3Dcarr2884 passes=3D1 center-mag=3D+0.96778497589672140/+0.47445226855703340/30.82335/1/152.4= 99 params=3D200/300/400/550 float=3Dy maxiter=3D647 periodicity=3D0 colors=3D000A9`<4>22t00y01u<6>7AP7BK6AH<5>000222<14>biq<14>KPS<3>000110= <8>\ HHDJJELLGNNI<14>wwl<16>LLGIIEGGCDDACC9AA8996<3>_00<12>z00<15>W0E<6>00y<= 1\ 2>T0`W0ZY0X`0Va3W<14>xvj<5>qeXobVnZS<7>cA9aA9ZA9W9JT99<7>559<2>A9D<4>c0= v\ <14>l`xmcylbx<20>BAX } frm:Carr2884 {; Modified Sylvie Gallet frm. [101324,3444],1996 ; passes=3D1 needs to be used with this PHC formula. ; Rewritten for if..else by Sylvie Gallet 5/22/98 if (whitesq) c =3D 0.15/log(exp(pixel^7 + |sin(pixel^3.5)| - 0.4) - 0.8) c =3D (-0.7456,-0.132) + c/10 - 1/(c*6000) z =3D zorig =3D (pixel - conj(0.1/pixel) - flip(0.01/pixel))^7 else c =3D - 0.15/log(exp(pixel^7 + |sin(pixel^3.5)| - 0.4) - 0.8) c =3D (-0.7456,-0.132) + c/10 - 1/(c*6000) z =3D zorig =3D - (pixel - conj(0.1/pixel) - flip(0.01/pixel))^7 endif bailout =3D 16 , iter =3D 0 : IF (iter =3D=3D p1) z =3D c =3D (-0.7456,-0.132) + 0.15*zorig - 1/(zorig*9000) ELSEIF (iter =3D=3D imag(p1)) z =3D c =3D (-0.7456,-0.132) + 0.225*zorig - 1/(zorig*13500) ELSEIF (iter =3D=3D p2) z =3D c =3D (-0.7456,-0.132) + 0.3375*zorig - 1/(zorig*20250) ELSEIF (iter =3D=3D imag(p2)) z =3D c =3D (-0.7456,-0.132) + 0.50625*zorig - 1/(zorig*30375) else z =3D z*z + c ENDIF iter =3D iter + 1 |z| <=3D bailout } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc Date: 08 Aug 1998 12:08:08 -0400 (EDT) On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, John C. A. Misterio' wrote: > Dean-Christian Strik wrote: > > IMO the primary format that should be used is plain DOS text. > > Sorry, but the 'plain text'-inventor is NOT MICROSOFT !!! So do NOT call > it plain DOS text. There are several variants of "plain text". Unix "plain text" has every line (including the last one in the file, usually) terminated with an LF character. MacOS "plain text" has every line terminated with a CR character. MS-DOS "plain text" has every line (except for the last one in the file) terminated with a CR followed by an LF. > PS: Kragen : There are not 10 .DOC formats : > Write > Wordpad Write is Wordpad, and I think they speak the same format as some version of Word. > Microsoft Word 2.0 > Microsoft Word 6.0 > Microsoft Word 6.2 > Microsoft Word 95/96/97/98/99/2000/2001/.... and so on Word 95 and Word 97 have different formats. I think Word 98 has yet another format. Furthermore, Word has a "normal" format and a "fast-save" format, which are different. I believe this goes back to Word 95, but it might go back further. Anyway, that's seven to nine formats right there. And I think Word for DOS had its own formats. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc Date: 08 Aug 1998 20:59:22 +0200 :PS: Kragen : There are not 10 .DOC formats : : Write Write doesn't use .doc, but .wri ! : Wordpad Wordpad format is Word 6.0 format. : Microsoft Word 2.0 : Microsoft Word 6.0 : Microsoft Word 6.2 Huh? 6.2? : Microsoft Word 95/96/97/98/99/2000/2001/.... and so on a. Word 95 uses word 6.0 format. b. Word 97 differs a lot from word95. c. I have heard that there will be no new word .doc format after word98 (don't know if word98 uses a different format though). d. Then of course there is also Word for DOS and Word for Macintosh. Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc Date: 08 Aug 1998 21:01:31 +0200 Kragen wrote: :> PS: Kragen : There are not 10 .DOC formats : :> Write :> Wordpad : :Write is Wordpad, and I think they speak the same format as some :version of Word. You are wrong here. Write *isn't* wordpad, but more important the programs use different formats. :And I think Word for DOS had its own formats. And so had the Macintosh. Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc Date: 08 Aug 1998 20:59:21 +0200 John C. A. Misterio' wrote: :Dean-Christian Strik wrote: : :> IMO the primary format that should be used is plain DOS text. : :Sorry, but the 'plain text'-inventor is NOT MICROSOFT !!! So do NOT call it plain :DOS text. :They have not invented everything about a computer. They have never invented :anything. By 'DOS text' I mean text where the end of a line is indicated by . Besides the 'DOS' formatting there is the UNIX text format, where line endings are indicated by a single . And I beliefe the Mac uses . Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc Date: 08 Aug 1998 15:21:04 -0400 (EDT) On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Dean-Christian Strik wrote: > Kragen wrote: > :> PS: Kragen : There are not 10 .DOC formats : > :> Write > :> Wordpad > : > :Write is Wordpad, and I think they speak the same format as some > :version of Word. > > You are wrong here. Write *isn't* wordpad, but more important the programs use > different formats. On Windows NT 4.0 with SP3, running the command line "write" starts WordPad. (I guess there was a Windows Write in Win 3.x, which was different.) Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marie Drozdis" Subject: RE: (fractint) text formats, etc Date: 08 Aug 1998 15:47:18 -0400 How about taking this off the Fractint list? You can continue this in email. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dean-Christian Strik Sent: Saturday, August 08, 1998 2:59 PM John C. A. Misterio' wrote: :Dean-Christian Strik wrote: : :> IMO the primary format that should be used is plain DOS text. : :Sorry, but the 'plain text'-inventor is NOT MICROSOFT !!! So do NOT call it plain :DOS text. :They have not invented everything about a computer. They have never invented :anything. By 'DOS text' I mean text where the end of a line is indicated by . Besides the 'DOS' formatting there is the UNIX text format, where line endings are indicated by a single . And I beliefe the Mac uses . Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mctupper" Subject: (fractint) Orphaned Brots PAR Date: 08 Aug 1998 14:32:44 -0600 Well my summer job is finally over and I don't leave for my vacation unti= l next week, so I spent the day looking for orphaned Brots. I was inspired = by the FOTD's of the last week to do some hunting of my own. This little one= I call "Brot in a hot place". The poor little thing is all alone and surrounded by fire. I hope you feel as sorry for the little guy as I do. On another note, it seems this list is real quite. I only hope it because everybody is busy with the contest. I know that is my excuse. :) =A0=A0 ++++++++++++++++++++ PAR +++++++++++++++++++ Ring of Fire { ; A lone Brot in a hot place ; Aug 08, 1998 (c) Mary Tupper ; 0:00:22.58 generation time ; on a Pentium 120 reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dfotdv2.frm formulaname=3DMandelbrotMix6 center-mag=3D-11.31637708429868000/-20.49647224662905000/1.703277e+010/= 1.0\ 721 params=3D200/5/-0.05/-10/0/0 float=3Dy inside=3D255 colors=3DwF092E000<15>000<7>U00<7>000<15>000<4>X8s_9ubBx<2>jFz<12>J4TG3= QF2\ M<10>sB0<3>vN0wQ0wS0wU0<3>yb0ze0ze0<4>zz0<14>sB0sB0rB0<15>c00b00c10<5>o= 8\ 0qA0qA0<5>wF0wF0vE0<5>qA0p90n80<5>e20c00d10<12>qA0rB0rD0<5>uR0uT0vW0vZ0= <\ 4>yp0zt0zw0zz0<5>zf0yb0y`0<8>tE0sB0pB2<9>F2MG3Q<13>jGz<2>cDwaBv_AuX8sP6= e\ H4S }=A0 MandelbrotMix6 {; Jim Muth a=3Dreal(p1), b=3Dimag(p1), d=3Dreal(p2), f=3Dimag(p2), g=3D1/f, h=3D1/d, j=3D1/(f-b), z=3D(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=3Dreal(p3)+1, l=3Dimag(p3)+100, c=3Dpixel*k: z=3D(a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f))+c, |z| <=3D l } Xylen I live in another Dimension. I just have a summer home in Reality. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc Date: 08 Aug 1998 23:15:26 +0200 :On Windows NT 4.0 with SP3, running the command line "write" starts :WordPad. : :(I guess there was a Windows Write in Win 3.x, which was different.) Indeed, from win95 and winNT 4.0, write replaces wordpad. Although it's curious that 'write' starts wordpad. Does the command 'wordpad' work? If not, maybe 'write' is an explorer alias. Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Orphaned Brots PAR Date: 08 Aug 1998 23:17:20 +0200 Xylen wrote: >I live in another Dimension. I hope there's fractals out there :-) Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: (fractint) ICQ Number list Rev.10 -- well, more like 9.01 :) Date: 09 Aug 1998 01:06:41 +0200 FRACTINT MAILING LIST ICQ NUMBER LIST REV.10 This list can be found online at http://come.to/fractinticq --Haven't updated it much - haven't had time yet. A number of members have posted their ICQ numbers / nicknames on this list. I've put them on this list for clarity reasons. If you're not a member of ICQ yet, and are interested in becoming one, visit http://www.mirabilis.com, where you can download the software. After having installed the software, follow the instructions in the program to be assigned an ICQ number. Felix aka Xilef has opened the ICQ Fractint Interest Group. This group can be found at http://groups.icq.com/group.asp?no=28214 This list was last updated Tuesday July 15th, 17:19 GMT+1 (CET). Many thanx go to Paul N. Lee for tracking a lot of names. Abramovich, Egor 14441176 Egor egor@fhp.bsu.unibel.by Allison, Linda 12189253 Gumbycat gumbycat@ix.netcom.com Baker, Art 265357 Art art@ayb.com Baker, Art 1531090 Ojai art@ayb.com Baker, Art 2751573 art@ayb.com Baker, Art 2751922 Art art@ayb.com Baker, Art 10540501 Arturo art@ayb.com Bell, Michael 11379737 * Mike mbell@forfree.at Best, Anthony 4259982 Nizzt nizzt@xmission.com Bornemeier, Phil 5550414 Phil pbornem@exis.net Burger, Jacco 5848993 Jacco Jacco.Burger@kabelfoon.nl Burnett, David 3283800 db davidb@clairvision.org Burnett, David 11070869 db davidb@clairvision.org Bushta, Greg 507219 Japan gbushta@zapcom.net Calpini, Aldo 3093078 dada dada@romagiubileo.it Calpini, Francesco 187351 ManniX mannix@divinf.it Camp, Jonathan 3475340 * descartes jon.camp@valpo.edu Castells, Jaime 1406374 Jaime jaime@one.net Costa, Luis Ricardo 4111347 * Spielberg luisrmcosta@gyral.com Courteau, Éric 279964 eric ecourteau@cplus.fr Courteau, Éric 2594758 doudou ecourteau@cplus.fr Davidson, Neil 2924358 ndavidson@enterprise.net Derbyshire, Paul 10423848 * Kydaimon pderbysh@usa.net Drozdis, Marie 13510833 Marie mariedrozdis@worldnet.att.net Duhan, Andrew 10363110 M Felix aduhan@ttu.edu Dukay, Alex 8515817 dukay@interlog.com Ellis, David 5842959 Burmese dellis@swbell.net Ellis, David 10983699 Burmese dellis@swbell.net Evans, John 14618659 Violet jwevans@clara.net Fetting, Jon 4024153 tfo t.f.o.@arl.com Finnis, Tony 3142165 fatman amf@sa.apana.org.au Forbus, David 2512475 forbus forbus@idt.net Gavin, Peter 7560538 Pete pgavin@mindspring.com Gibbs, Dorothy 1237263 Dorothy dorothy.gibbs@pandbox.demon.co.uk Grasso, Nick 12471014 Nick nick.grasso@hrads.com Hailman, Robert 1668484 YorgOrgigus robert@apexwood.com Hamilton, Robi 3786943 robih@interlog.com Hyde, Blake 5411598 Syrion bhyde@connectu.net Jones, Brian E. 2592938 Chaz Wazzer bejones@netunlimited.net Jones, Ralph E. 11903613 rjones@cgocable.net Landrum, Chris 11989523 Raine raine2@hotmail.com Lauer, Brad 2740132 Clear Waters lauer@trib.infi.net Lee, Paul N. 8804332 * Nahee Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net Mackey, Chris 5517259 Maxx c.mackey@latrobe.edu.au Margolis, Bob 11924047 rttyman@wwa.com Mercier, Irénée 7217822 Hibou irenee@boisfrancs.qc.ca Misterio', John C.A. 13157125 * John C.A. Misterio jca@gmx.net Mitchell, Cindy 2004028 cindy cindym@vegasnet.net Moberg, Jonas 6024576 midas jonas.moberg@mailbox.swipnet.se Moberg, Jonas 9808670 midas jonas.moberg@mailbox.swipnet.se Neal, Tom 6090016 tom trneal@ix.netcom.com Nguyen, Nhan 341018 Lavondyss nguy0505@tc.umn.edu Nikerel, Ilkem Emrah 5795106 Klark gauss@turk.net Parker, Thaddaeus 3304633 * thaddparker@usa.net Perez, Ramiro 5281899 huor rperez@ns.pa Peteri, Gedeon 4831489 gedeon@InfoAve.Net Piottukh, Vadim 1972851 Vadim piottukh@nioch.nsc.ru Preslar, Janet 11747009 Jani preslar@memphisonline.com Scholl, Alan 12952218 swordas scholla@konnections.com Schoonmaker, Andrew 2840835 Neon Elephant neon@eskimo.com Schulze, Wilfried 3466538 doc smd@sik.de Simpson, Earl 2151865 GreyFox esimpn@intcomm.net Stein, Jared 4665655 JSPent JSPent@aol.com Stein, Jared 14590398 JSPent JSPent@aol.com Strik, D. Christian 11760568 * Meltdown cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Tupper, Mary 8041281 * Xylen mctupper@holly.colostate.edu Wilczynski, Angela 503044 wizzle wizzle@cci-internet.com Wilczynski, Angela 1205072 wizzle wizzle@beachnet.com Wilson, John 14386215 * johnw@netpointer.com An asterisk (*) behind an ICQ # indicates that person is a member of the ICQ Fractint Interest Group. M indicates Master. This list may seem to have a bad lay-out if you're e-mail reader is using a variable-width font (like Microsoft products do). For a good overview, you might have to cut and paste into a text editor, or set the proportional (!) font to a fixed font in your mail reader. Any members on ICQ, who haven't mailed their #s yet, or haven't been listed here (my fault then), please mail. You can also mail if you're a new member of the ICQ Fractint Group (see above). This saves me some time finding out names and numbers. :-) If you notice an error on the list, don't hesitate to comment. This can be done to the list, but I prefer corrections to be sent to cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Also, if you have a more than one ICQ number and don't use one of them, or just want your name removed from the list - just send me a mail. Or if you need a repost. Thanx in advance, Dean-Christian Strik Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) Orphaned Brots PAR Date: 09 Aug 1998 02:26:11 EDT In a message dated 8/8/98 2:20:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl writes: > Xylen wrote: > > >I live in another Dimension. > > I hope there's fractals out there :-) Fractals are *everywhere*......even the 10th dimension...... Dama Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John C. A. Misterio'" Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc Date: 09 Aug 1998 07:00:35 +0100 Dean-Christian Strik wrote: > :On Windows NT 4.0 with SP3, running the command line "write" starts > :WordPad. > : > :(I guess there was a Windows Write in Win 3.x, which was different.) > > Indeed, from win95 and winNT 4.0, write replaces wordpad. Although it's > curious that 'write' starts wordpad. Does the command 'wordpad' work? If not, > maybe 'write' is an explorer alias. ALIAS ??? This really hi-technology in WINDOWS ??? Sorry, must be a joke. Markus Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc Date: 09 Aug 1998 20:20:31 +0200 Markus (John C.A. Misterio') wrote: >ALIAS ??? This really hi-technology in WINDOWS ??? >Sorry, must be a joke. Okay, following the windows terminology, it is a 'windows explorer command'. There are more of these out there. If you have Win95 with IE4 or Win98, you may know the 'Show Desktop' and 'View Channels' commands. Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mctupper" Subject: (fractint) "x-thingy" explained Date: 09 Aug 1998 15:12:30 -0600 Earlier there was some discussion going on about what type of passes to use and why use them. I have always just played around with them, and didn't know exactly the differences. So this week, while taking a break from my contest entries, I set about finding out the differences. I used the same par for all images, and checked out calculation time, file size, and image quality. The results were interesting. In summary, passes=T fill= took the longest at 6:28.84 with a file size of 129Kb, with it's own brand of image quality. On the other end of the spectrum was passes=G1, fill=. This took just 0:13.8 and a file size of 63Kb which was pretty blocky in quality. The other types of passes averaged 2:44.85 at 108Kb for passes G3, G6, T, B, and B (fill). Passes 1-3 average 4:01.07 at 109Kb. All of were pretty indistinguishable in quality. The results of all this is on my web page (gifs and individual comments) at: http://members.tripod.com/~Xylen/Fractgallery.html The basic PAR I used is posted below. If you are every confused about time/space/image quality, check this page out. Hope this helps those who aren't real sure what's going on. :) +++++++++++++++++++++ PAR +++++++++++++++++ testbasic { ; (c) Mary Tupper ; basic par for testing reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=s10-01 passes=1 center-mag=-0.0132477/0.00286393/15.38652/1/169.999 params=0/-0.45 float=y maxiter=255 fillcolor=normal inside=bof60 invert=0.0911169299632823/0/0 decomp=256 colors=1JG<9>4zp<29>2DC2BA2BA<12>111000000000<16>000500500<26>iB3<9>ziM<\ 2>v_HtXFrTDpQBoM9mJ7kF5iB3<9>911500000<12>000000011021<10>3A93B93CA3CA3B\ 9<14>111000000000<53>000011011022032<3>054054065076<3>0A90FC cyclerange=0/255 } FRM: S10-01{;V.1.0 - earlier versions may be discarded ; = zS09-S08 t=p1,bailout=4,z=pixel: x=real(z),y=imag(z) xx=x*x,yy=y*y Tx=xx*(xx*(xx*(xx*(xx-9)+28)-35)+15)-1 Ty=yy*(yy*(yy*(yy*(yy-9)+28)-35)+15)-1 x=x-t*Ty,y=y+t*Tx z=x+flip(y) |z|<=bailout} Xylen, I live in another Dimension. I just have a summer home in Reality, on the edges of Lake Mandelbrot. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: (fractint) come.to/fractinticq Date: 09 Aug 1998 23:30:45 +0200 Fractint ICQers, If you have accessed the on-line Fractint List ICQ # List recently, it is likely you have had a script error (something like "no access, not found"). The error was due to relative url's in the geocities GeoBranding part, automatically added by Geocities. The relative addresses didn't work for there was a V3 cloaking. This has now been fixed. BTW, until now there were two (!) annoying popup windows when accessing fractinticq.html. One of them, the one caused by my V3 link server, has been removed and replaced by a banner - which is for most people less annoying. Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jacco Burger" Subject: (fractint) New color map files for downloading Date: 09 Aug 1998 23:45:03 +0200 Busy with one of your fractals for the Fractal '98 contest, and you just can't get the colors right.....? Maybe you should try some of my colormaps. I just uploaded another zip-file with 50 color map files to my homepage, so now there are 100 colormapfiles in total. My fractal gallery can be found at URL http://wwwserv.caiw.nl/~jaccobu/index.htm Click on 'downloads' for the zip-files. Bye! Jacco e-mail Jacco.Burger@kabelfoon.nl Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: RE: (fractint) text formats, etc Date: 09 Aug 1998 21:37:20 -0400 In the windows directory, you'll find a 'write.exe' file. 'wordpad.exe' is in 'C:\Program Files\Accessories' (normally) and I'm pretty sure write (in Win95, at least) just calls wordpad (or _is_ wordpad under a different name). MS did this so Win3.1 programs that depend on write would still work. And (for John Misterio's benefit) aliases _are_ available (in a simplified manner) in Win95. In the registry, there is a key called 'AppPaths' (or something, I can't exactly remember where in the heirarchy, though) that has a bunch of aliases for programs. For example, if you look under 'explorer' you'll find 'C:\Windows\explorer.exe'. I guess 'wordpad' would be aliased to 'C:\Program Files\Accessories\wordpad.exe' (normally). If you type the one-word alias in the Run box, you run the program it points at. As far as wordpad's doc format, it is a simplified version of Word 6.0's format. You can open Wordpad's docs in Word 6.0 (or later), but if you use features found in Word 6.0 but not in Wordpad, you'll have trouble getting it to open in Wordpad. Any version from Word95 on will not open in Wordpad, but all versions of Word can open previous version's docs. I have heard that after Word98, MS will use some kind of HTML or XML format for _all_ its office documents. I don't think they will be viewable in just any old browser... just IE . Pete // -----Original Message----- // From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com // [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of John C. A. // Misterio' // Sent: Sunday, August 09, 1998 2:01 AM // To: fractint@lists.xmission.com // Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc // // // Dean-Christian Strik wrote: // // > :On Windows NT 4.0 with SP3, running the command line "write" starts // > :WordPad. // > : // > :(I guess there was a Windows Write in Win 3.x, which was different.) // > // > Indeed, from win95 and winNT 4.0, write replaces wordpad. // Although it's // > curious that 'write' starts wordpad. Does the command // 'wordpad' work? If not, // > maybe 'write' is an explorer alias. // // ALIAS ??? This really hi-technology in WINDOWS ??? // Sorry, must be a joke. // // Markus // // // // -------------------------------------------------------------- // Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List // Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com // Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" // Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net // Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" // Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) missing frm files Date: 09 Aug 1998 23:09:09 EDT Please help, I am looking for some frm files. I checked Spanky's listing of frm files and couldn' find them. I tried to reconstruct them using orgform and it didn't work very well. Is there anywhere else I can go? I've seen individual formulas asked for in the list but not whole frm files. If you are the owner of any of the following frm files could you email it to me, text or attatchment makes no difference to me. Thank you very much. ORMAN17A.FRM ORMAN2.FRM ORMAN3.FRM PAUL.FRM PDERB.FRM PDG02.FRM PETERMAN.FRM PETERNEW.FRM ROLLO.FRM SCI_FRAC.FRM SKINV13R.FRM SKIN151.FRM I read something about someone wanting to archive lots of pars and frms...Hows that endeavor going? Best regards Rui Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Art Baker" Subject: (fractint) Contest 98 Date: 09 Aug 1998 20:28:05 -0700 Is there any reason I cannot connect to "www.fractulus.com/contest98/" I've tried several times without success. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest 98 Date: 09 Aug 1998 22:42:43 -0500 Art Baker wrote: > > Is there any reason I cannot connect to "www.fractulus.com/contest98/" > I've tried several times without success. > The reason that most obviously comes to mind would be normal maintenance. Another possibility is the "Baby Bell" strike that may cause problems with the phone lines. Then there is the spelling of the Domain name: fractalus.com instead of: fractulus.com P.N.L. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: (fractint) Jay Hill where are you!?!? (was copyrights) Date: 09 Aug 1998 21:15:53 -0700 News flash... Web page update... http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/ > The Fractint discussion list had a useful exchange on Copyrights > (MS Word) http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/copyright.zip > collected by Linda Allison. Also, a zip file containing an ASCII version. http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/Copyrigh.zip > NEW 8/9/1998 The ASCII file is MSDOS text with long lines wrapped. Linda sent me the zipped file in early April. Alas it was a Word doc file. It seems few are consulting the file until now, including me. :-) A new pointer has been added to the iFAQ also. http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/iFAQ/iFAQ.html Hope this helps. BTW, a subject heading with my name in it would have definitely gotten my attention two days ago. I am 1656 Fractint list messages behind so just now noticed the flap. Very sorry to have this happen. Now, back to the search for the winning Fractal Art Contest image. :-) Jay Hill Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas Broch-Nielsen" Subject: (fractint) Permadia 2 chip set Date: 10 Aug 1998 09:08:34 MET-1MEST Hi I just bought a new grahics card, instead of my ancient cirrus logic, a creative blaster exxtreme based on the 3dlabs permadia 2 chip set, onfortunately now when a try to run any of the hi-rez modes, it simply says this video mode not available with your adater, since 320*200*256 is NOT my favourite mode, i was someone could help me get fix this problem, anyone out there with an updated fractint.cfg or whatever. Thomas Broch histbn@stud.hum.aau.dk Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Art Baker" Subject: RE: (fractint) Contest 98 Date: 10 Aug 1998 00:13:54 -0700 Thanks Paul: Although I spelled it wrong in my message I am using the correct URL. I have connected in the past.I have tried several times since Sunday morning including just a few minutes ago and it won"t connect. I'm wondering if anyone else has been able to connect. I would think many would would have tried since the Contest has ended. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Paul N. Lee > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 1998 8:43 PM > To: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest 98 > > > Art Baker wrote: > > > > Is there any reason I cannot connect to "www.fractulus.com/contest98/" > > I've tried several times without success. > > > > The reason that most obviously comes to mind would be normal > maintenance. Another possibility is the "Baby Bell" strike that may > cause problems with the phone lines. Then there is the spelling of the > Domain name: fractalus.com instead of: fractulus.com > > P.N.L. > ------------------------------------------------- > Why do most folks hate cynics so much? > Because we're almost always right. > ------------------------------------------------- > http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) pars Date: 10 Aug 1998 00:37:07 -0700 This triangle coloring method is really nice. late_for_the_sky { ; 7-98 kathy roth ; frm by Damien Jones ; palette from Sylvie Gallet reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=dmj-mand-triangle center-mag=0.223905/-0.577212/13.33333 params=0/0/0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=256 inside=0 outside=real colors=00K3BC<5>000svv<6>AUU<22>00\ 0zzz<6>UdW<18>698586465343222000zzz<6>\ fbHcZAbYA<21>000zzz<7>mU5<22>000zzz<5>fS\ TbMNaMN<22>000zzz<6>WQ_<18>86865\ 6545333222000zzz<7>PPZ<22>000zzz<6>H\ ii<13>6IK5GI4EG4DE } trees { colors=000QTY<10>cho<15>000<17>c0\ U<35>403302000<24>``WbbYccZee`ffa<12>zz\ u<16>UUQSSOQQMOOLMMJKKH<8>22200\ 0000<75>000111223<17>PSW } trees0 { ; 7-98 kathy roth ; frm by Damien Jones ; droz map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=dmj-mand-triangle passes=3 center-mag=+0.16003098777442180/-0.63397124509609590/345.8532 params=0/0/0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=256 fillcolor=200 inside=100 outside=real colors=000<3>O44U55Z66c77h88l99pAA\ sBBuBBxBByCCzCCzCC<2>xBBuBBsBBpAAl99<2\ >Z66U55O44<3>000<14>zmm<14>67424\ 1000<3>99OBBUDDZFFcHHhJJlKKpMMsNNuNNxOOy\ OOzPPz<2>NNxNNuMMsKKpJJl<2>DDZBB\ U99O<3>000<2>IE3Z66UN5ZR6cV7hZ8la9pdAsgB\ uiBxjBylCzlCzmCzlCylCxjBuiBsgBpd\ Ala9<2>ZR6UN5OJ4<3>000<31>000<4>00Q00V00\ Z00b00f00i<3>00r00r00s00r00r00p00n\ 00l00i<2>00Z00V00Q<4>000<3>E2HI2LL3PO3\ TR4WU4ZW4aY5d_5e`5ga5ha5ib5ia5ia\ 5h`5g_5eY5dW4aU4ZR4W<2>I2LE2HB1D71930400\ 0<2>IEEOJJUNNZRRcVVhZZlaapddsgguii\ xjjyllzllzmmzllyllxjjuiisggpddlaa<2>ZR\ RUNNOJJ<2>644 cyclerange=32/41 } trees1 { ; 7-98 kathy roth ; frm by Damien Jones ; palette from Sylvie Gallet reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=dmj-mand-triangle passes=3 center-mag=+0.15757193207759990/-0.63818861583681340/109.2896 params=0/0/0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=256 fillcolor=200 inside=100 outside=real colors=00K112000zzz<6>Hii<13>6IK5\ GI4EG4DE3BCwww<4>wwwsvv<6>AUU<22>000zzz\ <6>UdW<18>698586465343222000zzz<6>fbHcZ\ AbYA<21>000zzz<7>mU5<22>000zzz<5>\ fSTbMNaMN<22>000zzz<4>d`gPVcWQ_<18>868\ 656545333222000zzz<7>PPZ<20>223 } trees2 { ; 7-98 kathy roth ; frm by Damien Jones reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=dmj-mand-triangle center-mag=-1.44731035166732200/-0.00001203929566132/483.3524 params=0/0/0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=256 inside=0 outside=real colors=000OOzOOyNNxNNuMMsKKpJJ\ l<2>DDZBBU99O<3>000<2>IE3OJ4UN5ZR6cV7hZ8la\ 9pdAsgBuiBxjBylCzlCzmCzlCylCxjBuiB\ sgBpdAla9<2>ZR6UN5OJ4<3>000<3>I6EM8HQ9\ KUBNXCQ_DSbEVdFXfGYhGZiH_jH`jH`jH`iH_<2>dF\ XbEV_DSXCQ<2>M8HI6ED5A<2>000<3\ >OEBUHEZKGcNJhQLlSNpVOsXQuYRx\ ZSy_Tz`Tz`U<2>xZSuYRsXQpVOlSN<2>ZKGUHEOEB<3\ >000<2>E54J75N87RA8VB9<2>dFCgGDi\ HDjHElIElIEmIFlIElIEjHEiHD<2>aEBZDAVB9RA\ 8N87<4>000<3>E42H53K64N74Q85S95V\ A6<3>_C7`C7`C7<3>YB6XB6VA6<4>H53E42A3272\ 1310421<2>I94MB5QD6UF7XH8_J9bKAdMB\ fNBhNBiOCjOCjPCjOCiOChNBfNBdMB<2>XH8UF\ 7QD6<5>000<2>7E39J4BN5DR6FV7<2>KdAM\ gBNiBNjBOlCOlCPmCOlCOlCNjBNiB<2>Ja9HZ\ 8FV7DR6BN5<4>000<3>99OBBUDDZFFcHHh\ JJlKKpMMsNNuNNx<2>PPz } frm:dmj-Mand-Triangle(XAXIS) { ; outside = real: triangle inequality average ; original idea and formula from L. Kerry Mitchell ; modified for total continuity by dmj, 9-8-97 IF (real(p3) == 0) ; Invalid value for color scale. p3 = 75 + flip(imag(p3)) ; Substitute a default value. ENDIF IF (imag(p3) == 0) ; Invalid value for bailout. p3 = (0,128) + real(p3) ; Substitute a default value. ENDIF sum = 0 ; Running total. done = 1 ; Iteration counter. ac = cabs(pixel) ; Absolute value of pixel (precalc). il2 = 1/log(2.0) ; Inverse log 2 (precalc). lp = log(log(imag(p3))) ; log(log bailout) (precalc). f = -1 ; No fractional iteration yet. z = pixel, c = pixel: ; Mandelbrot initialization. az2 = |z| ; Save absolute value of first term. z = sqr(z) + c ; Mandelbrot calculation. lowbound = abs(az2 - ac) ; Calculate lower bound for sum. sum = sum + (cabs(z) - lowbound) / (az2+ac - lowbound) ; Ratio between bounds. done = done + 1 ; Done one more iteration. IF (az2 > imag(p3)) ; Point exceeds bailout. IF (f < 0) ; First time; let it go again. f = il2*lp - il2*log(log(cabs(z))) + 2; Fractional iteration. oldsum = sum / done ; Save the average ratio so far. ELSE ; Second time past bailout. sum = sum / done ; Average ratio. f = oldsum + (sum-oldsum) * (f-1) ; Interpolate sum. z = f * real(p3) ; Apply color scale. z = z - 255*trunc(z/real(255)) ; Wrap at 255. z = z - done - 5 ; Return value. done = -1 ; Set flag to force an exit. ENDIF ENDIF done >= 0 ; Continue if the flag is clear. } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) Permadia 2 chip set Date: 10 Aug 1998 06:41:22 -0400 Hi Thomas, >> anyone out there with an updated fractint.cfg or whatever. = I am e-mailing you a small utility that should help you find the VESA modes available with your card. Cheers, - Sylvie E-mail: Sylvie_Gallet@CompuServe.com Visit my exhibit at Museum of Computer Art: http://www.dorsai.org/~moca/ My Fractal Galleries: http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/sylvie/gallet.html http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Elaina Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc Date: 10 Aug 1998 07:24:28 -0500 Kragen wrote: > And I think Word for DOS had its own formats. People in my company had conversion problems going from word5 to word6 at the time. P.S. Sorry I spilled the fishing bait. ...and the fist too. I almost started that with I'm sure this has been beat to death. Juice --have fun --harm none http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/1159 Thinking corrupts the mind. Efforts like the web are never finished Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp) Date: 10 Aug 1998 11:37:16 -0700 Copyright questions aside, if someone merely color cycled (from a map *-*I*-* developed) and rotated one of my fractals I would cry foul and ask that the image be disqualifed from the contest and removed from a web site if posted. I'm not sure reading the great copyright debate is an answer to Elaina's question, so I tossed in my 2 cents. I realize there is a genuine question of degree when using someone else's par as a starting point. But I don't think the rather trivial manipulations Elaina described constitute "original" in my mind. Part of my own critical facility is being able to recognize color maps, even when cycled, particularly Linda's and Sylvia's as well as my own. When I hit a "great" image.....it usually looks fabulous at many points of color cycling and with different maps. If I post the image (via my website or as a par for the list), I've probably selected from one of the several variations I've made of that image. I wouldn't want my comments to be construed as saying that an "original" can't be produced starting with an existing par.....I certainly do that all the time. But, I usually claim it as "mine" only after I've zoomed, applied one of my maps, skewed and maybe tweeked the par values. Otherwise (and I think we've seen this often on the list), I'll say....this is Kathy's par with one of my maps (zoom, etc.) or whatever......I think credit should be given where credit is due, particularly for the contest. Angela aka wizzle Elaina Tillinghast wrote: > > Ok I give. One of the neatest fractals I've had a hand in making is just > a rotation and a color palette change from a fractint distribution > example in the par file. How many people will be screaming "off with her > head" if I claim its "mine"? It was the first one I thought of when I > started looking through my stuff for the contest. My impulse to > have people look at the 2 and tell me if they are different enough to be > different would kill it for the contest. At the very least I have other > stuff that is very mine. > > Juice --have fun --harm none > Thinking corrupts the mind thus efforts like the web never finish. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John C. A. Misterio'" Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc Date: 10 Aug 1998 21:21:33 +0100 Dean-Christian Strik wrote: > There are more of these out there. If you have Win95 with IE4 or Win98, you > may know the 'Show Desktop' and 'View Channels' commands. Yes. You mean this GP-fault commands. Markus Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Permadia 2 chip set Date: 10 Aug 1998 15:52:09 -0500 Sylvie Gallet wrote: > > I am e-mailing you a small utility that should help you > find the VESA modes available with your card. > You might wish to send the same to Bart Luyckx . He posted the same problem on Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:31:38. P.N.L. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) Permadia 2 chip set Date: 10 Aug 1998 17:03:49 EDT In a message dated 8/10/98 1:59:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net writes: > Sylvie Gallet wrote: > > > > I am e-mailing you a small utility that should help you > > find the VESA modes available with your card. > > > > You might wish to send the same to Bart Luyckx . > He posted the same problem on Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:31:38. Hi! I wonder if I could have this too? It never occurred to me that a small utility would take care of this question! Thanks in advance :) Dama Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aq936@freenet.carleton.ca (Michael Traynor) Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp) Date: 10 Aug 1998 18:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Angela writes: >Copyright questions aside, if someone merely color cycled (from a map >*-*I*-* developed) and rotated one of my fractals I would cry foul and >ask that the image be disqualifed from the contest and removed from a >web site if posted. ... >Elaina Tillinghast wrote: >> >> Ok I give. One of the neatest fractals I've had a hand in making is just >> a rotation and a color palette change from a fractint distribution >> example in the par file. How many people will be screaming "off with her >> head" if I claim its "mine"? It was the first one I thought of when I >> started looking through my stuff for the contest. My impulse to >> have people look at the 2 and tell me if they are different enough to be >> different would kill it for the contest. At the very least I have other >> stuff that is very mine. Angela, If on seeing the new image you felt that you had not seen the potential for that image in your original (i.e. except for use of the monkeys typing Hamlet route you'd not have found it), would you still cry foul? -- Mike Traynor People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like. Abraham Lincoln Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) Permadia 2 chip set Date: 10 Aug 1998 19:06:44 -0400 Hi Dama and Paul, >> > You might wish to send the same to Bart Luyckx = =2E = >> > He posted the same problem on Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:31:38. >> >> Hi! I wonder if I could have this too? It never occurred to me that a >> small utility would take care of this question! Thanks in advance :) Will do! - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp) Date: 10 Aug 1998 18:16:16 -0700 Michael Traynor wrote: > > Angela writes: > > >Copyright questions aside, if someone merely color cycled (from a map > >*-*I*-* developed) and rotated one of my fractals I would cry foul and > >ask that the image be disqualifed from the contest and removed from a > >web site if posted. > ... > >Elaina Tillinghast wrote: > >> > >> Ok I give. One of the neatest fractals I've had a hand in making is just > >> a rotation and a color palette change from a fractint distribution > >> example in the par file. How many people will be screaming "off with her > >> head" if I claim its "mine"? It was the first one I thought of when I > >> started looking through my stuff for the contest. My impulse to > >> have people look at the 2 and tell me if they are different enough to be > >> different would kill it for the contest. At the very least I have other > >> stuff that is very mine. > > Angela, > > If on seeing the new image you felt that you had not seen the potential > for that image in your original (i.e. except for use of the monkeys typing > Hamlet route you'd not have found it), would you still cry foul? > > -- > Mike Traynor Mike.... Yes.......while someone may hang the Mona Lisa upside down and illuminate it with cyan lights......an unrealized "potential" .....it's still a work done by da Vinci and not by the person who hung it another way. Change the frame and it's also still the same work. Now.....if someone superimposes the Mona Lisa onto an image of the earth and then combines it with some fractals, this to me is original and no longer a "da Vinci." As I stated, it's a matter of degrees. Angela Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Permadia 2 chip set Date: 11 Aug 1998 03:37:16 +0200 Sylvie, What kind of a utitlity is it really? I'm sure there will be some people on the list who also may benefit from it. Christian >Hi Dama and Paul, > >> > You might wish to send the same to Bart Luyckx . >> > He posted the same problem on Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:31:38. >> >> Hi! I wonder if I could have this too? It never occurred to me that a >> small utility would take care of this question! Thanks in advance :) > > Will do! > > - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp) Date: 10 Aug 1998 21:01:56 -0500 Angela Wilczynski wrote: > > Yes.......while someone may hang the Mona Lisa upside down and > illuminate it with cyan lights......an unrealized "potential" > .....it's still a work done by da Vinci and not by the person > who hung it another way. Change the frame and it's also still > the same work. > So I guess the Campbell's Soup Can artwork by Andy Warhol should really have the credit given to the artist/s that did the original layout for Campbell's?? What about the artist that takes someone else's photograph and manipulates the colors or "posterizes" it with a graphic editor, who gets the credit there?? If I were to take one of your fractals and hand paint a copy of the image with oils or acrylics, who is the artwork by?? There are way too many gray areas and fine lines to divide up further. P.N.L. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jean Debord Subject: (fractint) Re: Absolute beginner in need of help... Date: 11 Aug 1998 01:15:39 -0400 Jane Croucher wrote: > I would like some help on whether this is a good "real life" model of a= fractal or if there are better examples, and also some pointers on where = to get good fractal pictures. I would recommend the books "Fractals for the classroom" by H.O. Peitgen,= H. Jurgens and D. Saupe (2 vol., Springer Verlag 1992). All types of fractals are discussed, the mathematics are introduced progressively, and= there is a short BASIC program in each chapter. There are also some on-line tutorials, for instance : The Fractal Geometry of the Mandelbrot Set, by Robert Devaney: http://math.bu.edu/DYSYS/FRACGEOM/index.html Chaos, Fractals, Dimension, by Glenn Elert: = http://www.columbia.edu/~gae4/chaos/ I hope this helps. Jean Debord Limoges, France Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 11 Aug 1998 00:04:29 -0700 At 09:01 PM 8/10/98 -0500, Paul N. Lee wrote: >... >So I guess the Campbell's Soup Can artwork by Andy Warhol should really >have the credit given to the artist/s that did the original layout for >Campbell's?? I would agree with that. Besides, I think we all know Andy was a hack! (and a cult phenomenon peculiar to those free-thinking times) >What about the artist that takes someone else's photograph and >manipulates the colors or "posterizes" it with a graphic editor, who >gets the credit there?? I think it would depend on the subject matter. For example, a cropped and "posterized" photo of Yosemite, by Ansel Adams or anyone else, would be virtually indistinguishable from another taken at the same place in the same season and similarly processed. As with fractals, one can claim that the art already existed in nature, and that we humans are merely interpreting it. On the other hand, each fractal space is multidimensional and infinite, and (with the possible exception of a lot of gravijul and gravijul variant images which produce satisfactory results with very obvious parameters) the odds of two people "stumbling" onto the exact same locale are slim indeed. And, as Angela pointed out, no doubt the original artist will recognize his/her ripped off creation. Besides, anyone who rips off someone else's work is really desperate to win and has little or no pride or artistic drive. It's like stealing a term paper and changing a few words to make identification of the fraud more difficult, or copying the smart kid's quiz answers. With all of the swollen egos (let's face it, we're *all* digital exhibitionists) and creative energy around here, I find it hard to fathom why anyone would *want* to feature another's work or take credit for same. Members of this list frequently reinterpret posted works and use palettes developed by others, but usually give proper credit. BTW, if this thread continues, couldn't we at least correct the spelling (rather than point out that the original was in error)? Bud Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Regina & Steve" Subject: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mode?? Date: 11 Aug 1998 18:00:51 +1000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BDC551.FA314E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have just started to use fractint and in all graphics mode except=20 IBM 4 Colour CGA and IBM Hi-Res B & W CGA I either get no picture or the picture gets corrupted when I "return to = " it or try to save it? Is there a fix? What info is needed for someone = to give me the correct graphics info (is it the .cfg file???) Thanks in advance -Regina ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BDC551.FA314E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have just started to use fractint = and in all=20 graphics mode except
IBM 4 Colour CGA and IBM Hi-Res B = & W=20 CGA
I either get no picture or the = picture gets=20 corrupted when I "return to " it or try to save it? Is there a = fix?=20 What info is needed for someone to give me the correct graphics info (is = it the=20 .cfg file???)
 
Thanks in advance
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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BDC551.FA314E00-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mode?? Date: 11 Aug 1998 03:29:29 -0500 Regina & Steve wrote: > > I have just started to use fractint and in all graphics > mode except IBM 4 Colour CGA and IBM Hi-Res B & W CGA > I either get no picture or the picture gets corrupted > when I "return to " it or try to save it? Is there a fix? > What info is needed for someone to give me the correct > graphics info (is it the .cfg file???) > What graphics card and chip set do you have?? What operating system and release level are you running?? This could be another situation that may be resolved by Sylvie Gallet's "small utility" (which probably should be available as a link in the FAQ). P.N.L. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 2 pars Date: 11 Aug 1998 05:01:16 EDT Here's a nice tree! The 2nd par makes a great wallpaper after resizing it to 212x159 and maintaining aspect of 1.333. Enjoy~ Jimbo ****************************************************************************** * Tree_of_Life { ; 0:01:22.71 75mhz 800x600 ; 8/2/98 image(c) JamesWeaver ; ; reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fract196.frm formulaname=Zeppo function=asin/asinh passes=t center-mag=0.933591/0.933591/1.640764/1/44.999 params=1/0/0.59/0 float=y maxiter=25 bailout=10000 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=000rth<4>``TXYQTTN<5>7643210011751C82IC3OH4TL5YO5bS6gX7k`7nd7qg8t\ l8up8wt8ww8ww8wt8vp8tl8qg7nd7k`6gX5cS5ZO4UL3PH3JC<2>011295<2>4QE4WH5_J5d\ L<2>7qS7sT8vU8xV9yWAyWAzW9yW8xV8vU7tT7qS6nQ<2>5`J4XH4RE<3>142700<13>N98O\ 99O99<14>7000D6<3>4ID4JF5KG6MH<3>8RM9SN9UN9VO9WO9WO<2>9SN8RM8QL7OK7NJ<7>\ 0D60921B92CE3EK<2>5I_6Jd7Lh8Ml8Op9Pr9RuASwATxAVyAVyATxASw9Ru9Ps8Op8Mm<3>\ 5HW4FR3EL<2>093201<3>GEEJIHMLJPOM<2>WVTYXVZYW_ZX`_Ya`Ya`Y`_Y`_X<2>WVTUTS\ SRPPONMLKKII<4>21120E62EA4FD7FI9G<4>`JIcLIgNIkQIoSIsUJvWJvWJ<5>`JIXHHTFH\ PDGLBGI9GD7F<2>20E321<5>PPKTTNXYQ<6>vxkvxk } All_That_Glitters { ; 0:01:39.42 75mhz 800x600 ; 8/2/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=gallet-6-06 function=sinh/tan passes=1 center-mag=-1.77636e-015/7.99361e-015/0.2173913/1/44.999 params=0.1/0/-0.5/0/0.1/0 float=y inside=bof60 decomp=255 colors=0000R0<5>0f0<15>zz0<15>zzz<15>000<12>TN0WO0YQ0`S0aU0<14>zz0<14>jB\ 0i70f70<14>000<15>S5N<15>zz0<14>ZZ8XX8VW8TU8RS8<2>LM6JK6HI6FG6DF5<2>7955\ 74354033077<10>3nn3rr5nr7jr9frBbr<3>Qzb<9>zz0<6>z_S<5>zD4z90x87<3>m3bj1j\ f1f<10>000<8>0O0 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 1 par(Gallet-7-07) Date: 11 Aug 1998 05:07:00 EDT Here's a lakeside view.......sort of! Enjoy~ Jimbo ********************************************************************* Lakeside { ; 0:00:41.68 75mhz 800x600 ; 8/6/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=Gallet-7-07 function=cotanh/cos passes=t center-mag=3.6276/0.731607/0.4241677 params=1/0/0.5/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 colors=000fff<10>000<12>TN0WO0YQ0`S0aU0<14>zz0<14>jB0i70f70<14>000<15>S5\ N<15>zz0<14>ZZ8XX8VW8TU8RS8<2>LM6JK6HI6FG6DF5<2>795574354033077<10>3nn3r\ r5nr7jr9frBbr<3>Qzb<9>zz0<6>z_S<5>zD4z90x87<3>m3bj1jf1f<10>000<15>0f0<15\ >zz0<15>zzz<3>jjj } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mode?? Date: 11 Aug 1998 09:42:24 -0400 Regina, Paul, Christian et al, Vesa2cfg.exe is a small freeware that was distributed with the DOS imag= e viewer QPV386 and was designed to create the .cfg file for this program. = This .cfg file is a text file that describes all the VESA modes available= with the video card, the entries are not in the same format as in fractint.cfg, but they are easy to use. I have uploaded vesa2cfg.zip to my web site, the URL is: While I was at it, I've also updated my "Fractal of the Week": Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aq936@freenet.carleton.ca (Michael Traynor) Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 11 Aug 1998 10:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Responding to Bud's response to Paul N. Lee: It is interesting the extent to which commercial, quasi-commercial and proprietary interests pre-dominate over an interest in seeing fractals explored. If a person is considered to be ripping-off another (Bud's words) in coming up with an image the original artist never envisioned (to avoid incremental type arguments, I am talking about something that would make the original artist go "Wow! I had no idea that was there.") then you rule out large areas for exploration on the basis that these things are the quasi-property of someone else. Will folk who want to assert some sort of exclusionary zone (what property is really about - not a right to something but a right to exclude others from it) around their images accept the burden of exhaustive exploration of the area they fence off. The alternative is that in the interests of I'm not sure what, chunks of fractal space would be left barren. Now, in all this, if I were to 'find' something startlingly different with a couple of simple mods to someone else's image, I'd make sure to acknowledge the origins of the work, and not claim that I was working from a blank slate. The question of acknowledgement is separate from that of "ownership". For instance, I do not feel that a person who develops a neat formula 'owns' all the images that may result, but their contribution of the formula should be acknowledged where possible. Even if the results of a couple of simple transformations would never have occurred to the original artist, that artist deserves credit for the underlying image. So, on exactly what basis would a properly acknowledged, truly new (in the sense of presenting some aspect strikingly different from the original) derived image be excluded from any contest? > >At 09:01 PM 8/10/98 -0500, Paul N. Lee wrote: >>... >>So I guess the Campbell's Soup Can artwork by Andy Warhol should really >>have the credit given to the artist/s that did the original layout for >>Campbell's?? > >I would agree with that. Besides, I think we all know >Andy was a hack! (and a cult phenomenon peculiar to those >free-thinking times) > >>What about the artist that takes someone else's photograph and >>manipulates the colors or "posterizes" it with a graphic editor, who >>gets the credit there?? > >I think it would depend on the subject matter. For example, >a cropped and "posterized" photo of Yosemite, by Ansel Adams >or anyone else, would be virtually indistinguishable from another >taken at the same place in the same season and similarly >processed. As with fractals, one can claim that the art already >existed in nature, and that we humans are merely interpreting it. > >On the other hand, each fractal space is multidimensional and >infinite, and (with the possible exception of a lot of gravijul and >gravijul variant images which produce satisfactory results with >very obvious parameters) the odds of two people "stumbling" >onto the exact same locale are slim indeed. And, as >Angela pointed out, no doubt the original artist will recognize >his/her ripped off creation. Besides, anyone who rips off >someone else's work is really desperate to win and has little >or no pride or artistic drive. It's like stealing a term paper and >changing a few words to make identification of the fraud more >difficult, or copying the smart kid's quiz answers. With all of the >swollen egos (let's face it, we're *all* digital exhibitionists) and >creative energy around here, I find it hard to fathom why anyone >would *want* to feature another's work or take credit for same. >Members of this list frequently reinterpret posted works and use >palettes developed by others, but usually give proper credit. > >BTW, if this thread continues, couldn't we at least correct the >spelling (rather than point out that the original was in error)? > > >Bud > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > -- Mike Traynor People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like. Abraham Lincoln Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 11 Aug 1998 11:14:45 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Michael Traynor wrote: > Now, in all this, if I were to 'find' something startlingly different > with a couple of simple mods to someone else's image, I'd make sure to > acknowledge the origins of the work, and not claim that I was working from > a blank slate. The question of acknowledgement is separate from that of > "ownership". For instance, I do not feel that a person who develops a > neat formula 'owns' all the images that may result, but their contribution > of the formula should be acknowledged where possible. Yes, this is what I was trying to say in the first place. Copyright is the right to copy something, which can be licenced to others -- or not -- as the original holder sees fit, and can be sold. It's a way of helping artists make money. (It has been twisted into a way for record company execs to make money, but that's another story.) Moral rights are different, and I think they are what is at issue here. If you create an artistic work, you have the moral right to be identified as its author wherever it ends up, and you have the moral right to prevent it from being used in ways that are odious to you. This right is inalienable -- you can't sell it or contract it away, although you can neglect to exercise it if you want, and it can't be inherited. Moral rights are not recognized under US law, but they make more sense in this context than copyright. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 11 Aug 1998 09:57:00 -0700 I have to disagree that moral rights are at issue in the original question which is (my paraphrase) Is color cycling and rotating a fractal image sufficient to transfer "ownership" to the person who makes these minimal changes for purposes of the contest? My position is ........no. As I stated, I can usually recognize color maps (particularly my own) even when cycled and I think I'm astute enough to see what a rotation may or may not accomplish. Therefore, the postulation that "the original artist says 'wow'" because he/she can't recognize this stupendous "new" work, don't, I believe, apply. Angela Kragen wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Michael Traynor wrote: > > Now, in all this, if I were to 'find' something startlingly different > > with a couple of simple mods to someone else's image, I'd make sure to > > acknowledge the origins of the work, and not claim that I was working from > > a blank slate. The question of acknowledgement is separate from that of > > "ownership". For instance, I do not feel that a person who develops a > > neat formula 'owns' all the images that may result, but their contribution > > of the formula should be acknowledged where possible. > > Yes, this is what I was trying to say in the first place. > > Copyright is the right to copy something, which can be licenced to > others -- or not -- as the original holder sees fit, and can be sold. > It's a way of helping artists make money. (It has been twisted into a > way for record company execs to make money, but that's another story.) > > Moral rights are different, and I think they are what is at issue > here. <> > Kragen > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 11 Aug 1998 09:54:00 -0700 I agree with Angela. And just to set the record straight, the code says that copyright is still violated whether you charged money or not. Only damages are affected by that. And section 106 of the Copyright Act gives the owner of copyright the exclusive right to prepare and to authorize others "to prepare derivative works based upon the copyrighted work." What you are describing is a derivation based upon the copyrighted work. That work would have to be unrecognizable as a derivative work in order to be exempt. Or, if the original author granted permission for the derivation, there would be no problem. (None of us know whether Warhol had permission or not, but his work was created prior to March 1, 1989. Prior to that time, the copyright laws were much more lenient, in which case.) Copyright has rights under the law. Even "fair use" has some rights under the law. Linda >Michael Traynor wrote: >> >> Angela writes: >> >> >Copyright questions aside, if someone merely color cycled (from a map >> >*-*I*-* developed) and rotated one of my fractals I would cry foul and >> >ask that the image be disqualifed from the contest and removed from a >> >web site if posted. >> ... >> >Elaina Tillinghast wrote: >> >> >> >> Ok I give. One of the neatest fractals I've had a hand in making is just >> >> a rotation and a color palette change from a fractint distribution >> >> example in the par file. How many people will be screaming "off with her >> >> head" if I claim its "mine"? It was the first one I thought of when I >> >> started looking through my stuff for the contest. My impulse to >> >> have people look at the 2 and tell me if they are different enough to be >> >> different would kill it for the contest. At the very least I have other >> >> stuff that is very mine. >> >> Angela, >> >> If on seeing the new image you felt that you had not seen the potential >> for that image in your original (i.e. except for use of the monkeys typing >> Hamlet route you'd not have found it), would you still cry foul? >> >> -- >> Mike Traynor > > >Mike.... > >Yes.......while someone may hang the Mona Lisa upside down and >illuminate it with cyan lights......an unrealized "potential" .....it's >still a work done by da Vinci and not by the person who hung it another >way. Change the frame and it's also still the same work. > >Now.....if someone superimposes the Mona Lisa onto an image of the earth >and then combines it with some fractals, this to me is original and no >longer a "da Vinci." As I stated, it's a matter of degrees. > >Angela Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 11 Aug 1998 13:30:44 EDT Hi everyone, I read over much of the previous posts that Linda has edited on copyright, and a question has emerged I am hoping someone can answer for me. In one of Tim's early posts on the subject he explains it is possible to acsess the parameters and extract any copyright information that may have been encoded into the par. I can see obviously where this is when looking at a par itself, but if you JUST have the Fractint produced image, what do you "press" to see the original par that generated that image? Thanks in adavance for your help. Julian ~~~~~~~~~~~ Julian Adamaitis Fractelligent Designs visit "Julian's Fractal Page" http://members.aol.com/julianpa julianpa@aol.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aq936@freenet.carleton.ca (Michael Traynor) Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 11 Aug 1998 13:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Angela writes: > >I have to disagree that moral rights are at issue in the original >question which is (my paraphrase) > >Is color cycling and rotating a fractal image sufficient to transfer >"ownership" to the person who makes these minimal changes for purposes >of the contest? > >My position is ........no. As I stated, I can usually recognize color >maps (particularly my own) even when cycled and I think I'm astute >enough to see what a rotation may or may not accomplish. Therefore, the >postulation that "the original artist says 'wow'" because he/she can't >recognize this stupendous "new" work, don't, I believe, apply. Angela, My whole point in putting the question as I did was that obvious alterations that still retained the character of the original would 'obviously' not be enough for the modifier to claim any credit. The idea was specifically to test things in an abstract way. It would be unlikely that a simply derived image would be startlingly new looking, but what would the case be if this unlikely event occurred? -- Mike Traynor People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like. Abraham Lincoln Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "RJ Corradino" Subject: RE: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 11 Aug 1998 15:06:43 -0400 Lord, I like the idea of having a contest, but aren't we getting a little extreme? In the few months I've been on the list, it's all been about having fun. We exchange pars just for the sake of showing them off to friends. We are generally happy when people find something cool in our pars. When we find something cool, we give credit where credit is due. IMHO, the contest is here for the same reason: so we can have fun sharing images. It isn't that big a deal. I don't see any reason for consulting copyright law, or having a long discussion about how and why we should be prosecuting each other! I really don't see this as a copyright issue. I think it's more of an intelligence issue than anything else. The question "Can I enter an image that is only a rotation and color cycle away from some one else's?" has already been asked and answered: "No, you can't." We are all intelligent people, and I doubt anyone would be dumb enough to disregard that 'no.' If some one does, it isn't the end of the world. If the author of the original image speaks up, then I'm sure they're name will appear next to the image when the time comes. -RJ > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Mike and Linda > Allison > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 12:54 PM > To: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism > > > I agree with Angela. And just to set the record straight, the code says > that copyright is still violated whether you charged money or not. Only > damages are affected by that. And section 106 of the Copyright Act > gives the owner of copyright the exclusive right to prepare and to > authorize others "to prepare derivative works based upon the > copyrighted work." > > What you are describing is a derivation based upon the copyrighted work. > That work would have to be unrecognizable as a derivative work in order > to be exempt. Or, if the original author granted permission for the > derivation, there would be no problem. (None of us know whether Warhol > had permission or not, but his work was created prior to March 1, 1989. > Prior to that time, the copyright laws were much more lenient, in which > case.) > > Copyright has rights under the law. Even "fair use" has some rights > under the law. > > Linda Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aq936@freenet.carleton.ca (Michael Traynor) Subject: RE: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 11 Aug 1998 16:45:09 -0400 (EDT) >I really don't see this as a copyright issue. I think it's more of an >intelligence issue than anything else. The question "Can I enter an image >that is only a rotation and color cycle away from some one else's?" has >already been asked and answered: "No, you can't." We are all intelligent >people, and I doubt anyone would be dumb enough to disregard that 'no.' The answer came, no doubt from God almighty? As to the idea that intelligent persons cannot differ, implicit in the last line, that is an essentially totalitarian notion. In the incredibly unlikely event that anyone used a par I posted here (quite some time ago) and rotated and cycled it and produced something they wanted to enter, I'd consider whether it was different enough to be theirs and not mine. If we differed, I'd be inclined to submit them for comment from the list. I do consider myself intelligent but am quite prepared for others to differ without calling their intelligence into question (Wizzle for example in this discussion - we seem to have a different take, but I do not for an instant question her intelligence, and especially not her ability). -- Mike Traynor People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like. Abraham Lincoln Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 35 pars(fn*z+z)kroth map Date: 11 Aug 1998 16:53:30 EDT Here's a lot of similiar images, yet quite nice to look at and fast to draw. I used a colormap from one of Kathy Roths pars that seemed to fit these images perfectly. Enjoy~ Jimbo ****************************************************************************** ***** nusnaps01 { ; 0:00:21.02 75mhz 800x600 ; 8/2/98 image(c) JamesWeaver ; colormap from Kathy Roth reset=1960 type=fn*z+z function=cotanh passes=t center-mag=-4.26326e-014/3.01981e-014/0.04795151 params=-0.95/0.775/0.875/0.6 float=y bailout=32 bailoutest=and potential=255/600/0 invert=1/1.1/0 symmetry=xyaxis colors=I8FkE7<2>c20<7>zaV<7>F00<7>sog<7>I8F<6>unr<7>8F8<7>lyl<7>05A<7>cr\ u<7>444<7>mmz<7>I8F<7>zmm<7>A00<7>zzg<7>N13<7>z_K<7>g50<7>zvn<7>I8F<7>gh\ l<7>08C<7>ata<7>A0A<7>Zrk<7>C40<7>zii<7>F00<7>zrc<7>N57<7>yZJ<3>nJA } Zoom_of_nusnaps01 { ; 0:00:20.10 75mhz 800x600 ; 8/2/98 image(c) JamesWeaver ; colormap from Kathy Roth reset=1960 type=fn*z+z function=cotanh passes=t center-mag=-6.03961e-014/4.26326e-014/0.1568702 params=-0.95/0.775/0.875/0.6 float=y bailout=32 bailoutest=and potential=255/600/0 invert=1/1.1/0 symmetry=xyaxis colors=I8FkE7<2>c20<7>zaV<7>F00<7>sog<7>I8F<6>unr<7>8F8<7>lyl<7>05A<7>cr\ u<7>444<7>mmz<7>I8F<7>zmm<7>A00<7>zzg<7>N13<7>z_K<7>g50<7>zvn<7>I8F<7>gh\ l<7>08C<7>ata<7>A0A<7>Zrk<7>C40<7>zii<7>F00<7>zrc<7>N57<7>yZJ<3>nJA } nusnaps03 { ; 0:00:15.82 75mhz 800x600 ; 8/2/98 image(c) JamesWeaver ; colormap from Kathy Roth reset=1960 type=fn*z+z function=cotanh passes=t center-mag=-3.19744e-014/2.30926e-014/0.03712173 params=-0.9/0.875/0.975/0.7 float=y bailout=32 bailoutest=and potential=255/600/0 invert=1/1.1/0 symmetry=xyaxis colors=I8F`PP<3>A00<7>zzg<7>N13<7>z_K<7>g50<7>zvn<7>I8F<7>ghl<7>08C<7>at\ a<7>A0A<7>Zrk<7>C40<7>zii<7>F00<7>zrc<7>N57<7>yZJ<7>c20<7>zaV<7>F00<7>so\ g<7>I8F<6>unr<7>8F8<7>lyl<7>05A<7>cru<7>444<7>mmz<7>I8F<7>zmm<2>fVV } nusnaps04 { ; 0:00:15.21 75mhz 800x600 ; 8/2/98 image(c) JamesWeaver ; colormap from Kathy Roth reset=1960 type=fn*z+z function=cotanh passes=t center-mag=-5.86198e-014/4.26326e-014/0.1000564 params=-0.75/0.975/0.975/0.7 float=y bailout=32 bailoutest=and potential=255/600/0 invert=1/1.1/0 symmetry=xyaxis colors=I8FYV_<2>ghl<7>08C<7>ata<7>A0A<7>Zrk<7>C40<7>zii<7>F00<7>zrc<7>N5\ 7<7>yZJ<7>c20<7>zaV<7>F00<7>sog<7>I8F<6>unr<7>8F8<7>lyl<7>05A<7>cru<7>44\ 4<7>mmz<7>I8F<7>zmm<7>A00<7>zzg<7>N13<7>z_K<7>g50<7>zvn<7>I8F<3>VRW } Zoom_of_nusnaps04 { ; 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0:00:11.26 75mhz 800x600 ; 8/2/98 image(c) JamesWeaver ; colormap from Kathy Roth reset=1960 type=fn*z+z function=cotanh passes=t center-mag=-2.73559e-013/2.20268e-013/0.07339208 params=0.5825/0.5479999999999997/0.8300000000000002/-0.2 float=y potential=255/800/100 invert=1/1.1/0 symmetry=xyaxis colors=I8FuSF<5>g50<7>zvn<7>I8F<7>ghl<7>08C<7>ata<7>A0A<7>Zrk<7>C40<7>zi\ i<7>F00<7>zrc<7>N57<7>yZJ<7>c20<7>zaV<7>F00<7>sog<7>I8F<6>unr<7>8F8<7>ly\ l<7>05A<7>cru<7>444<7>mmz<7>I8F<7>zmm<7>A00<7>zzg<7>N13<7>z_KxWI } nusnaps42 { ; 0:00:10.98 75mhz 800x600 ; 8/2/98 image(c) JamesWeaver ; colormap from Kathy Roth reset=1960 type=fn*z+z function=cotanh passes=t center-mag=-2.94875e-013/2.30926e-013/0.07161076 params=0.6125/0.5479999999999997/0.8050000000000002/-0.2 float=y potential=255/800/100 invert=1/1.1/0 symmetry=xyaxis colors=I8FuSF<5>g50<7>zvn<7>I8F<7>ghl<7>08C<7>ata<7>A0A<7>Zrk<7>C40<7>zi\ i<7>F00<7>zrc<7>N57<7>yZJ<7>c20<7>zaV<7>F00<7>sog<7>I8F<6>unr<7>8F8<7>ly\ l<7>05A<7>cru<7>444<7>mmz<7>I8F<7>zmm<7>A00<7>zzg<7>N13<7>z_KxWI } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "RJ Corradino" Subject: RE: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 11 Aug 1998 17:10:47 -0400 I apologize for the 'intelligence' statement, as I reread it I can see it was an incredibly lame thing to say, and it didn't even illustrate my intended point. The only person who's intelligence is in question is my own. ' ' | \_/ I agree with you- it *should* be left up to the author of the original. Still, I seriously doubt that anyone could produce anything that different if all they did was rotate and cycle. If they made they're own map, it'd be a different story, wouldn't it? The same goes if they zoomed, and left the original map on. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Michael Traynor > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 4:45 PM > To: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: (fractint) plagiarism > > > >I really don't see this as a copyright issue. I think it's more of an > >intelligence issue than anything else. The question "Can I > enter an image > >that is only a rotation and color cycle away from some one else's?" has > >already been asked and answered: "No, you can't." We are all intelligent > >people, and I doubt anyone would be dumb enough to disregard that 'no.' > > The answer came, no doubt from God almighty? > > As to the idea that intelligent persons cannot differ, implicit in the > last line, that is an essentially totalitarian notion. In the incredibly > unlikely event that anyone used a par I posted here (quite some time ago) > and rotated and cycled it and produced something they wanted to enter, I'd > consider whether it was different enough to be theirs and not mine. If we > differed, I'd be inclined to submit them for comment from the list. I do > consider myself intelligent but am quite prepared for others to differ > without calling their intelligence into question (Wizzle for example in > this discussion - we seem to have a different take, but I do not for an > instant question her intelligence, and especially not her ability). > > > -- > Mike Traynor > > People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of > thing they like. > Abraham Lincoln > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 11 Aug 1998 14:36:00 -0700 I thought the original question was a pretty intelligent and reasonable one myself and tried to provide a resonable answer, but clearly my opinion was different. I think fractals make a particularly interesting debate because......yes..images can be copyrighted....but...no....math formulas (and short algorithms) can't be. So we are in a sort of gray area (but with color cycling possibilities) as far as distinct title to "my" fractal is concerned. Many of the standards developed over the years for title to intellectual properties have been strained by the new methodologies associated with the computer. Part of the function of groups like ours is, I believe, to examine how to adapt those standards to our brave new world. Hence my interest in the question......more as an intellectual problem but touched off by a practical question regarding the contest. Angela Michael Traynor wrote: > > >I really don't see this as a copyright issue. I think it's more of an > >intelligence issue than anything else. The question "Can I enter an image > >that is only a rotation and color cycle away from some one else's?" has > >already been asked and answered: "No, you can't." We are all intelligent > >people, and I doubt anyone would be dumb enough to disregard that 'no.' > > The answer came, no doubt from God almighty? > > As to the idea that intelligent persons cannot differ, implicit in the > last line, that is an essentially totalitarian notion. In the incredibly > unlikely event that anyone used a par I posted here (quite some time ago) > and rotated and cycled it and produced something they wanted to enter, I'd > consider whether it was different enough to be theirs and not mine. If we > differed, I'd be inclined to submit them for comment from the list. I do > consider myself intelligent but am quite prepared for others to differ > without calling their intelligence into question (Wizzle for example in > this discussion - we seem to have a different take, but I do not for an > instant question her intelligence, and especially not her ability). > > -- > Mike Traynor > > People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like. > Abraham Lincoln Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: RE: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 11 Aug 1998 16:36:29 -0700 (MST) On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, RJ Corradino wrote: > I agree with you- it *should* be left up to the author of the original. > Still, I seriously doubt that anyone could produce anything that different > if all they did was rotate and cycle. If they made they're own map, it'd be > a different story, wouldn't it? The same goes if they zoomed, and left the > original map on. Just to muck up the waters even further... If the original image used only (say) 16 colors of a 256 color map, or 1000 colors of a 65K map, then there is a lot of room left for variation by color-cycling. In particular, I once made an image with a relatively few colors, and the rest of the palette was white. Then, as the palette was cycled, the image came in, piece by piece. Also, cheap animations have been done this way; given a loop that fades between Person A at the left of the screen and Person B at the right of the screen. If Person A is drawn with the first 128 colors and Person B is drawn with the next 128 colors, then cycling will show Person A then Person B, in a loop. All this is done with one "image", cycling the colors. This effect, combined with rotating and zooming, can lead to *very* different images. Next picky point: given programs like Fractint that have default values for many fractal modes and discrete zooming steps, it's not all that unlikely that two independent fractalers can come up with the same image. Especially considering the proliferation of freely contributed parameter and color map files. While the space of *possible* images is certainly immense, the space of *likely* images is much, much smaller. Conclusion: I don't have one. I don't think it's a clear-cut issue when a work is a rip-off and when it is a legimate derivative work. I guess that's why we have copyright registration, intellectual property attorneys, and the courts. I always try to make sure my work is independent, if not unique, but I'd be hard pressed to prove it in court. Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Montgomery Subject: (fractint) Wrong address for Sylvie Gallet Date: 11 Aug 1998 18:21:19 -0700 I wanted to visit Sylvie's updated "Fractal of the Week" but was unable to make a connection. I received a notice "Page Not Found" with three items, only one of which I remember, which gave Sylvie's name as "Sylvie%2Gallet" rather than "Sylvie Gallet" as indicated in the post. Does anybody know whether the address is incorrectly posted, or am I drifting in another 'unknown world"? Please, somebody, haul me back in. Ray Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) Wrong address for Sylvie Gallet Date: 11 Aug 1998 21:46:09 EDT In a message dated 11-08-98 8:20:22 PM EST, elmont@cdsnet.net writes: > I wanted to visit Sylvie's updated "Fractal of the Week" Try, using cut and paste instead of typing, it use to frustrate me to no end. Great fractal Sylvie...definately need to go there. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: abraxas Subject: Re: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mode?? Date: 11 Aug 1998 22:08:10 -0400 --------------F6C27721055AC95B23E58FA9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm having the same problem but it disappears if I restart my computer in DOS mode only.....ie exit Windows 95, and run Fractint from DOS. Anybody else know why Fractint doesn't want to save properly or sometimes not even draw when I use DOS on top of Win95 ?? Got tons of ram and PII-300 with ATI All-IN-Wonder_Pro video card with 8Meg. Had same problem before on a P166 Charlie Regina & Steve wrote: > I have just started to use fractint and in all graphics mode > exceptIBM 4 Colour CGA and IBM Hi-Res B & W CGAI either get no picture > or the picture gets corrupted when I "return to " it or try to save > it? Is there a fix? What info is needed for someone to give me the > correct graphics info (is it the .cfg file???) Thanks in > advance -Regina --------------F6C27721055AC95B23E58FA9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm having the same problem but it disappears if I restart my computer in DOS mode only.....ie exit Windows 95, and run Fractint from DOS. Anybody else know why Fractint doesn't want to save properly or sometimes not even draw when I use
DOS on top of Win95 ?? Got tons of ram and PII-300 with ATI All-IN-Wonder_Pro video card with 8Meg. Had same problem before on a P166
Charlie

Regina & Steve wrote:

 I have just started to use fractint and in all graphics mode exceptIBM 4 Colour CGA and IBM Hi-Res B & W CGAI either get no picture or the picture gets corrupted when I "return to " it or try to save it? Is there a fix? What info is needed for someone to give me the correct graphics info (is it the .cfg file???) Thanks in advance                        -Regina
  --------------F6C27721055AC95B23E58FA9-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) why? plagiarism Date: 11 Aug 1998 22:51:21 EDT When this all started I actually said to my self : why is this such a touchy subject? I've been folowing this thread and read the copyright stuff and think I understand the concept. This thread, though, is turning into yarn. I'm a short timer to the list and have always concidered anything posted as workable and changable as long as credit was duly given. A short answer like 'no', a fractal that has been color cycled from an existing par is not acceptible in the contest may have stiffled a lot of heat. For purposes of education, it is acceptable in the list. We probably would all take pot shots at this poor person for not giving credit where it due. I copied the letters of the alphabet thousands of times until I new each letter. Fractals are just a different alphabet for expressing the unexpressible. Grey areas and fine lines inevitably lead to disagreements and harsh words. Some of us are artists/mathematicians and some mathematicians/artists but all of us are professional. We should be proud of the art generated by the list, its diversity, and especially its openness to all comers. I think that similarities in fractal images, rendering methods, coloring schemes all fall under a "school of thought" not necessarily "ripping someone off". (rip off Gene Rodenberry) To explore strange new worlds and new dimensions, To proudly go where no man has ever gone before....this is the mission of the Fractint List. Best regards, Rui Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism - PAR values Date: 11 Aug 1998 21:58:36 -0500 JulianPA@aol.com wrote: > > In one of Tim's early posts on the subject he explains it is > possible to acsess the parameters and extract any copyright > information that may have been encoded into the par. I can > see obviously where this is when looking at a par itself, > but if you JUST have the Fractint produced image, what do you > "press" to see the original par that generated that image? > If you load in a FractInt produced GIF image into FractInt (using the command), then you can turn right around and save that image's parameters and color map to the appropriate filr type. But the comments will probably be picked up from the defaults that exist within your SSTOOLS.INI file. P.N.L. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: RE: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 11 Aug 1998 22:44:51 -0600 Re the issue of just cycling the colors. Of course merely cycling the colors hardly constitutes a brand new creative image. But having said that, I've seen plenty of occasions where artists had friendly competitions recoloring each other's fractals to show them off better. Of course, what made that work was there was never any claim of originality, and the original was always credited. A fractal's appearance can in some circumstances be completely altered by coloring. Another way to state this is that a typical fractal has too much information to be visually absorbed. Coloring can simplify the structure and draws attention to a different aspect of the structure. I'm not really arguing against those who abhor the idea of recoloring someone else's fractals and claiming it as their own. But by not allowing recoloring in at least some friendly competitions (with full credit of course) we may be missing some very interesting images. If recoloring is not allowed in the current contest, maybe there should be another "coloring" contest sometime :-) Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) not my map Date: 11 Aug 1998 21:18:17 -0700 --------------9416AE24D402859DF9A90ADE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JimBeau wrote: > Here's a lot of similiar images, yet quite nice to look at and fast to > draw. I > used a colormap from one of Kathy Roths pars that seemed to fit these > images > oops! That's Linda Allison's map. I do use it a lot- it's a great map. It is lindaa16 in the collection that Wizzle assembled. --------------9416AE24D402859DF9A90ADE Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JimBeau wrote: 
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  --------------9416AE24D402859DF9A90ADE-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 11 Aug 1998 23:46:31 -0500 Tim Wegner wrote: > > I've seen plenty of occasions where artists had friendly > competitions recoloring each other's fractals to show them > off better. > .......... ( snipped ) ........... > If recoloring is not allowed in the current contest, maybe > there should be another "coloring" contest sometime :-) > I remember in the Spring of '97 when many individuals on the Fractal-Art Discussion List were doing several versions of a "flower". (Can't recall at the moment who's formula and/or parameter started it all.) But there were many interesting variations that may not have ever been produced if cycling the colors wasn't allowed to be submitted. This would make an interesting FractInt contest for the end of the year, but I would suggest having at least 10 completely different FRM/PAR combinations. Then allow each participant only one entry per FRM/PAR, with a total of three entries. P.N.L. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vyvey Jan Subject: AW: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mode?? Date: 12 Aug 1998 10:10:51 +0200 >I'm having the same problem but it disappears if I restart my computer >in DOS mode only.....ie exit Windows 95, and run Fractint from DOS. >Anybody else know why Fractint doesn't want to save properly or >sometimes not even draw when I use >DOS on top of Win95 ?? Got tons of ram and PII-300 with ATI >All-IN-Wonder_Pro video card with 8Meg. Had same problem before on a >P166 >Charlie Everytime I read in this mailing list about problems with fractint (most of the time with the video) it's because one starts fractint in a dos box from without WIN95 or (recently) WIN98 or whatever DOS box it may be. Let me gave you one good advice: Run Fractint directly from 100 % pure DOS, then it's good, beautiful and FAST. And if you want to use other operating systems on the same computer, do as I do and install the software bootmanager called SYSTEM COMMANDER that gives you the opportunity to start your PC in DOS, WIN311, WIN95, WIN98, WINNT, OS2, Linux, ot whatever OS you have and want to use. I have on my PC a partition with DOS622, one with WIN311 and one with WINNT40. When you want to use another OS, simply reboot your PC, choose the OS and start (without anything resident of course) your OS in the circumstances that are best for that OS (and fractint runs best in DOS of course). Greetings, Jan Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mode?? Date: 12 Aug 1998 04:24:29 -0500 abraxas wrote: > > I'm having the same problem but it disappears if I restart my computer > in DOS mode only.....ie exit Windows 95, and run Fractint from DOS. > In the Resource List that Janet Preslar posts (around once a month), there is this reference which might help you: Windows 95, How to run FractInt for DOS under — http://fractal.mta.ca/fractint/fracwin95.html P.N.L. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) Wrong address for Sylvie Gallet Date: 12 Aug 1998 05:48:06 -0400 Hi Ray, >> I wanted to visit Sylvie's updated "Fractal of the Week" but was >> unable to make a connection. I received a notice "Page Not Found" >> with three items, only one of which I remember, which gave Sylvie's >> name as "Sylvie%2Gallet" rather than "Sylvie Gallet" as indicated in >> the post. = >> Does anybody know whether the address is incorrectly posted, or am = I >> drifting in another 'unknown world"? The address was correctly posted, with my first and last names separate= d by an underscore. Here it is again: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) Wrong address for Sylvie Gallet Date: 12 Aug 1998 05:48:07 -0400 Hi Rui, >> Great fractal Sylvie...definately need to go there. >> >> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/ Thanks! Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 12 Aug 1998 06:23:38 -0400 Hi Paul, >> I remember in the Spring of '97 when many individuals on the >> Fractal-Art Discussion List were doing several versions of a >> "flower". (Can't recall at the moment who's formula and/or parameter >> started it all.) = The original image was "Orchid" by Jon Noring. Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Kaplan Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 12 Aug 1998 07:50:22 -0400 (EDT) > I think fractals make a particularly interesting debate > because......yes..images can be copyrighted....but...no....math formulas > (and short algorithms) can't be. So we are in a sort of gray area (but Strangely (to move a bit off-topic) a recent patent court ruling has made fractint formulas, along with essentially any other mathematical method or programming technique, patentable! The terms of the ruling are very strange. Its apparent intent is to allow software developers to patent their underlying algorithms, but as stated it would allow the inventor of, say, addition to patent his work. Newton and Leibnitz, had they lived and worked under this law, would have had to fight for the patent to the calculus, and once one of them won, no one else could do anything with calculus without their permission. This completes the intrusion of patent law into the hard sciences and natural law. What do you fractartists think about new fractals being subject to patent? and coloring methods? does this make any sense at all? is the author of a new formula an inventor or just a discoverer, and should we protect her work? should Tim go apply for appropriate patents on various fractint techniques, to protect the free license from commercial competition or something? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson Subject: Re: (fractint) 35 pars(fn*z+z)kroth map Date: 12 Aug 1998 14:53:59 +0200 At 16:53 11.08.1998 EDT, you wrote: > >Here's a lot of similiar images, yet quite nice to look at and fast to draw. I >used a colormap from one of Kathy Roths pars that seemed to fit these images >perfectly. > >Enjoy~ > >Jimbo > Hi fractinters, ; While experimenting with a par-file from Jimbo ; I found a strange behaviour of Fractint 19.6 in the TYPE=FN*Z+Z. ; The "1:1" shows the original image, the pictures named strange!, ..1, ..2 and ; ..3 are zoom-in's with as result: broken images.. strange...? or, a bug..? ; enjoy, ; Guy 1:1 { reset=1960 type=fn*z+z function=sin center-mag=0/0/0.1116625 params=0.45/0.82/-0.82/0.4 float=y maxiter=550 bailout=4 bailoutest=and potential=255/600/0 invert=1/1.1/0 symmetry=xyaxis periodicity=0 colors=I8FA0A<7>Zrk<7>C40<7>zii<7>F00<7>zrc<7>N57<7>yZJ<7>c20<7>zaV<7>F0\ 0<7>sog<7>I8F<6>unr<7>8F8<7>lyl<7>05A<7>cru<7>444<7>mmz<7>I8F<7>zmm<7>A0\ 0<7>zzg<7>N13<7>z_K<7>g50<7>zvn<7>I8F<7>ghl<7>08C<7>ata<6>E7E } strange! { reset=1960 type=fn*z+z function=sin center-mag=2.31714/3.88884/0.244596 params=0.45/0.82/-0.82/0.4 float=y maxiter=550 bailout=4 bailoutest=and potential=255/600/0 invert=1/1.1/0 symmetry=xyaxis periodicity=0 colors=I8FA0A<7>Zrk<7>C40<7>zii<7>F00<7>zrc<7>N57<7>yZJ<7>c20<7>zaV<7>F0\ 0<7>sog<7>I8F<6>unr<7>8F8<7>lyl<7>05A<7>cru<7>444<7>mmz<7>I8F<7>zmm<7>A0\ 0<7>zzg<7>N13<7>z_K<7>g50<7>zvn<7>I8F<7>ghl<7>08C<7>ata<6>E7E } strange2 { reset=1960 type=fn*z+z function=sin center-mag=2.47601/6.54468/0.2601165 params=0.45/0.82/-0.82/0.4 float=y maxiter=550 bailout=4 bailoutest=and potential=255/600/0 invert=1/1.1/0 symmetry=xyaxis periodicity=0 colors=I8FA0A<7>Zrk<7>C40<7>zii<7>F00<7>zrc<7>N57<7>yZJ<7>c20<7>zaV<7>F0\ 0<7>sog<7>I8F<6>unr<7>8F8<7>lyl<7>05A<7>cru<7>444<7>mmz<7>I8F<7>zmm<7>A0\ 0<7>zzg<7>N13<7>z_K<7>g50<7>zvn<7>I8F<7>ghl<7>08C<7>ata<6>E7E } strange3 { reset=1960 type=fn*z+z function=sin center-mag=0.789499/-3.00909/0.3900979 params=0.45/0.82/-0.82/0.4 float=y maxiter=550 bailout=4 bailoutest=and potential=255/600/0 invert=1/1.1/0 symmetry=xyaxis periodicity=0 colors=I8FVfV<5>A0A<7>Zrk<7>C40<7>zii<7>F00<7>zrc<7>N57<7>yZJ<7>c20<7>za\ V<7>F00<7>sog<7>I8F<6>unr<7>8F8<7>lyl<7>05A<7>cru<7>444<7>mmz<7>I8F<7>zm\ m<7>A00<7>zzg<7>N13<7>z_K<7>g50<7>zvn<7>I8F<7>ghl<7>08C<7>ataZmZ } > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Pearson Subject: RE: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 12 Aug 1998 15:52:58 +0200 >This completes the intrusion of patent law into the hard sciences and >natural law. What do you fractartists think about new fractals being >subject to patent? and coloring methods? does this make any sense at all? is >the author of a new formula an inventor or just a discoverer, and should >we protect her work? should Tim go apply for appropriate patents on >various fractint techniques, to protect the free license from commercial >competition or something? OK OK ... I had stayed out of this copyright discussion until now but (to quote Dilbert) it's better than working. I *have* read the copyright_discussion.doc, at least most of it. There is a concept in patent law, I believe, about "obvious" ideas not being patentable. There is a legitimate question over whether formulae, colour maps etc are obvious or not. (In line with something Angela said, this community is probably as advanced as any in exploring these issues and I think it's worthwhile.) Good example: I use a "rainbow" colour map quite often for fractal exploring. The fact is I copied this map from a fractal posted here, but I have also created some variants from scratch. I also created a smoothly shaded map from black through pure blue to white which I use a lot. But neither example could really be considered for patenting - or copyrighting - because it's quite likely anyone could produce them independently from the simple ideas. So I don't feel bad that I've forgotten whose map I copied originally. Now, is "z -> z^2+c" obvious? Is the concept of plotting escape-time fractals obvious? Separately they are ... and the fact that no one Before Mandelbrot knew about the resulting image from combining them was because of the lack of computing power. There are surely many formulae and computation methods that are not at all obvious. But the question of whether they are "invented" or just "discovered" is one that has applied to mathematics for a long time. I don't know which way to go but a formula carefully crafted for a specific effect would seem much more legitimately patentable than one which by chance is found to produce pretty images. Joe Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Wilson" Subject: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95 Date: 12 Aug 1998 07:44:33 -0700 Paul, in connection with running FRACTINT under WIN95 you wrote; >In the Resource List that Janet Preslar posts (around once a month), >there is this reference which might help you: > > Windows 95, How to run FractInt for DOS under > http://fractal.mta.ca/fractint/fracwin95.html Having experienced some small inconvenience in that regard, I took a look at this reference. Talk about differences of opinion between the experts! JAY For starters, make sure the DOS window properties are set to Misc. | Always suspend' = off." DAMIEN Turn ON Always suspend. JAY Also, you can put the Idle Sensitivity to high. DAMIEN Set the Idle sensitivity to about 1/4, closest to Low. Seems to me that the way to go is to create a shortcut to FRACTINT.EXE, right-click on it, choose Properties, and fiddle around with all of them, until you find something that works for you! I had to re--boot a couple of times in the process, but the whole thing now runs smoothly on my P166, (admittedly with 64Mb RAM). John Wilson Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95 Date: 12 Aug 1998 08:11:15 -0700 (PDT) > > Paul, in connection with running FRACTINT under WIN95 you wrote; > > >In the Resource List that Janet Preslar posts (around once a month), > >there is this reference which might help you: > > > > Windows 95, How to run FractInt for DOS under > > http://fractal.mta.ca/fractint/fracwin95.html > > Having experienced some small inconvenience in that regard, I took a look at > this reference. > Talk about differences of opinion between the experts! I recently did this for Win95 and WinNT. For Win95, I simply created a shortcut to Fractint.exe. I used the default settings, which seems to match one of the suggestions in the above link. I have had no problems running Fractint using the shortcut. I have also run in a DOS window batch files created using partobat. I simply minimized the window and let it fly. I have been able to run Photoshop, scan photographs, print, play pinball, etc. without any problem. Of course, remember to make sure your PATH is set correctly, etc. for your particular setup. I think the important thing to realize about running Fractint in Win95/98/NT is to use a "Render to Disk" video mode. That is the safest, especially if you want to do other things while generating images. WinNT has been a bit more complicated, and am still ironing out the details. If anyone has any questions about NT, they can feel free to email me privately. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Sasich" Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 12 Aug 1998 08:26:25 -0700 Recently Ian Kaplan wrote: >Strangely (to move a bit off-topic) a recent patent court ruling has made > fractint formulas, along with essentially any other mathematical method > or programming technique, patentable! The terms of the ruling are very > strange...... I've been reading the debate over this with interest. Do you by chance recall the citation of the court case or the title or date of the ruling. It would be interesting to read the rationale in more detail. Thanks for your thoughts and any further info. ---------- > From: Ian Kaplan > To: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism > Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 4:50 AM > > > I think fractals make a particularly interesting debate > > because......yes..images can be copyrighted....but...no....math formulas > > (and short algorithms) can't be. So we are in a sort of gray area (but > > Strangely (to move a bit off-topic) a recent patent court ruling has made > fractint formulas, along with essentially any other mathematical method > or programming technique, patentable! The terms of the ruling are very > strange. Its apparent intent is to allow software developers to patent > their underlying algorithms, but as stated it would allow the inventor > of, say, addition to patent his work. Newton and Leibnitz, had they lived > and worked under this law, would have had to fight for the patent to the > calculus, and once one of them won, no one else could do anything with > calculus without their permission. > > This completes the intrusion of patent law into the hard sciences and > natural law. What do you fractartists think about new fractals being > subject to patent? and coloring methods? does this make any sense at all? is > the author of a new formula an inventor or just a discoverer, and should > we protect her work? should Tim go apply for appropriate patents on > various fractint techniques, to protect the free license from commercial > competition or something? > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) 35 pars(fn*z+z)kroth map Date: 12 Aug 1998 11:39:24 -0400 Bonjour Guy, >> While experimenting with a par-file from Jimbo I found a strange >> behaviour of Fractint 19.6 in the TYPE=3DFN*Z+Z. The "1:1" shows the >> original image, the pictures named strange!, ..1, ..2 and ..3 are >> zoom-in's with as result: broken images.. strange...? or, a bug..? >> enjoy, There is nothing strange in this behaviour and it is not a bug, but Jim= used symmetry=3Dxyaxis whereas these images have no symmetry. Try removi= ng "symmetry=3Dxyaxis" from your pars and you will see the correct images. Amicalement, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Pearson Subject: RE: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95 Date: 12 Aug 1998 17:39:53 +0200 >> > Windows 95, How to run FractInt for DOS under >> > http://fractal.mta.ca/fractint/fracwin95.html >> >> Having experienced some small inconvenience in that regard, I took a look >>at >> this reference. >> Talk about differences of opinion between the experts! The crucial thing seems to be, if you want calculation to continue in the background while you do other things (and why else are you trying to run under windows?), you MUST set Misc - Always suspend to Off. Otherwise when the DOS session loses focus it gets suspended i.e. no more calculation! Also, you "should" use a disk-video mode (low-res real video modes seem to be OK but not the max for my screen), and you "should" set textsafe=save in fractint. Joe Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95 Date: 12 Aug 1998 08:47:25 -0700 (PDT) > > The crucial thing seems to be, if you want calculation to continue in > the background while you do other things (and why else are you trying to > run under windows?), you MUST set Misc - Always suspend to Off. > Otherwise when the DOS session loses focus it gets suspended i.e. no > more calculation! Yes, I forgot to mention this. Also, you may need to adjust the Idle Sensitivity slider to ensure that your DOS session gets CPU while in the background. Although, this seems to be more critical under NT, than 95. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Pearson Subject: (fractint) Changing video mode of saved GIF in batch? Date: 12 Aug 1998 18:02:08 +0200 I can't work this out but I hope there's a solution. If I have a long running fractal I can save it, set askvideo=yes, restore it and select a disk-video mode with the same dimensions, and it will carry on calculating. Later I can do the reverse and see the result. (Why would I want to do this ... to run in background under windows while reading other mail!) If I have 100 long running fractals I can generate them all from scratch in a disk-video mode with partobat. ... But how can I change them to a real-video mode in batch? All command line video= parameters seem to be ignored when loading using filename= and batch=yes. thanks Joe Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95 Date: 12 Aug 1998 11:11:20 -0500 John, - Talk about differences of opinion between the experts! - >Turn ON Always suspend. The differences between the advice Jay and I give reflect two different uses of FractInt. So let me explain a bit. FractInt stores your fractal image *only* in the memory on your video card, while it's drawing. Now, if you are using FractInt under Windows 95, if you switch away from it, Windows will reset your display mode back to what it was before you ran FractInt, and redraw your desktop. *poof!* Your fractal image--which FractInt expects to be safe in video RAM--is now gone. When you switch back to FractInt, you will usually find a corrupt screen and you'll have to regenerate the image. If you have a nice display driver, you may be able to switch away from FractInt and back to it and not get a corrupt screen. This is very dependent on your video card, driver, the mode you're running Windows in, and the mode you're using FractInt in. You will simply have to experiment and see if it works. *IF* you can switch away and back without corrupting your screen, this is when the "Always Suspend" setting becomes critical. If you're in Windows, but FractInt is permitted to continue generating when you switch away from it, it will try to write to video memory as it draws... which Windows will throw away. When you switch back, you will be missing not only the part of the fractal that was drawn while you were switched away, but you will likely find that FractInt begins drawing over other parts of your fractal as well for a while. So you turn ON always suspend, so that when you switch away, FractInt will be paused. If you CAN'T switch away and back without corrupting the screen, and Always Suspend is already turned on, then you should put textsafe=save in your SSTOOLS.INI file and remember to hit the TAB key before switching away from FractInt. This will force FractInt itself to save the contents of video memory when you switch to a text mode (the TAB key will do this) so that it doesn't have to rely on Windows to do it for you. You can then switch back to Windows, and to FractInt, without corrupting your fractal image. You must simply remember to switch to a text mode before you leave FractInt. The Idle Sensitivity setting plays a different role. What the Idle Sensitivity setting does is tell Windows how quickly it should assume FractInt is "idle", and give more processor time to other things that are running. The problem here is that Windows' definition of "Idle" is that you're not typing away in the program. FractInt is usually churning away even when you're not pressing keys, so you don't want Windows to consider it "Idle" just because it's not getting key input. Sometimes you may want to render a large fractal, using one of the disk-video modes. In this case, it is OK to let FractInt run in the background because it's not trying to write to video memory. The easiest thing to do here is start it running in a disk-video mode, then hit ALT+ENTER to switch it to a windowed mode. On the toolbar of this window is an icon that shows two windows; this is the "Background" setting and it's the opposite of "Always Suspend". If this button is selected, FractInt will run even when you switch to other tasks. Just remember to deselect this button and hit ALT+ENTER to full-screen FractInt before you exit it, as Windows usually remembers the settings you used last. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: RE: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95 Date: 12 Aug 1998 11:15:56 -0500 Joe, - if you want calculation to continue in the background while you do - other things (and why else are you trying to run under windows?) One big reason: if you do everything else under Windows, it is a major pain in the arse to reboot into DOS just because you want to try something in FractInt. If I had had to reboot every time I wanted to explore fractals, I would have abandoned FractInt a *long* time ago. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 12 Aug 1998 09:43:52 -0700 I ran this past Angela, and she thought I should bring it up here. I just ran across the very issue that is being debated on the List. Someone posted a fractal to abpf. Although it is not identical, I think it may be a derivative of one that I posted in 1996. A shallow zoom and slight rotation into mine gets me to the other fractal. Even the colormap is the one I used when I made my posting. It is a case of recognizing your own work, even when slightly altered. I think Tim is right, inasmuch as some of the Fractint formulas with default parameters can produce VERY similar, if not identical, fractals. Those "honest" similarities are rare, but will happen. If another colormap had been used, I might not even doubt the originality of the second image. However, when the two fractals use the same original colormap . . . I can't be certain it isn't the original work of the other artist. And I won't be leveling any accusations. But I have my own secret doubts. That fractal is not one that I've sold, but it is in the same family as "Through Neptune's Window," which I sold to Avalanche Publishing for the 2000 Fractal Universe Calendar. Financial loss hasn't occurred, but the possibility exists. Anyway, I thought I would mention that the theoretical does happen! Linda Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 12 Aug 1998 12:56:44 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote: > I agree with Angela. And just to set the record straight, the code says > that copyright is still violated whether you charged money or not. Only > damages are affected by that. Actually, the nature of the copyright violation is also affected by that -- if you make a few copies for fun, it's a civil violation, but if you make a few copies for money, it's a criminal violation. Nevertheless, the purpose of the copyright law is to encourage the progress of science and the useful arts, as set down in the Constitution, by securing to creators for a limited time the exclusive rights to the profits from their creation. And that's what it does. > Copyright has rights under the law. Even "fair use" has some rights > under the law. For now. If Congress passes the current "WIPO implementation" bill, fair use will be dead. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Wrong address for Sylvie Gallet Date: 12 Aug 1998 13:39:01 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Ray Montgomery wrote: > make a connection. I received a notice "Page Not Found" with three items, > only one of which I remember, which gave Sylvie's name as "Sylvie%2Gallet" > rather than "Sylvie Gallet" as indicated in the post. > Does anybody know whether the address is incorrectly posted, or am I > drifting in another 'unknown world"? Spaces aren't allowed in URLs. In fact, most characters aren't. In order to put them in somehow, there's this percent encoding -- you can express any character as a % followed by two characters. %20 is space. I don't know whether the address is incorrectly posted. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Gilman Subject: (fractint) I need some quick help... Date: 12 Aug 1998 11:05:14 -0700 I'm making an HFS (Mac-format) CD, and I want to make sure all the special GIF Header information is preserved. All I'm doing is opening images from a CD a friend of mine made (DOS-format) and using Photoshop to save them. Doing this create a neat 32x32 thumbnail-icon. But, I'm not sure if Photoshop is tossing all that extra Header stuff. And I'm not in a place where I can test my changes. So, can someone download my test image from: http://www.scruz.net/~tgilman/tim/macfract/versions/AAUTEST.GIF and see if DOS-Fractint can parse it, along with the extra header stuff? This would help me out tons... thanks, -= tim gilman "There is no truth, in which passing through awareness, does not lie. Yet we chase after it all the same." - J. Lacan Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Wilson" Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95 Date: 12 Aug 1998 11:14:53 -0700 Great tips and explanations from all. Thank you from one grateful list-member! John. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) I need some quick help... Date: 12 Aug 1998 13:31:02 -0500 Tim, - All I'm doing is opening images from a CD a friend of mine made - (DOS-format) and using Photoshop to save them. That is enough to remove the extra FractInt information. Photoshop won't preserve the extra info at all. FractInt cannot recover parameter information from your test image. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Wilson" Subject: Re: (fractint) I need some quick help... Date: 12 Aug 1998 11:51:41 -0700 You wrote: >But, I'm not sure if Photoshop is tossing all that extra Header stuff. >And I'm not in a place where I can test my changes. So, can someone >download my test image from: > >http://www.scruz.net/~tgilman/tim/macfract/versions/AAUTEST.GIF > >and see if DOS-Fractint can parse it, along with the extra header stuff? Sorry! No dice! This is no longer a fractal. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: (fractint) Re: your mail Date: 12 Aug 1998 15:41:53 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote: > What's the WIPO implementation bill? I'm interested. WIPO is the World Intellectual Property Organization. It just ratified a treaty giving yet more rights to intellectual-property-rights owners and taking away yet more rights from intellectual-property users. The WIPO implementation bill implements these further restrictions for the US, and several others. Among other things, it would make it illegal to circumvent any copy-protection -- even if you would legally have the right to get at what's behind the copy protection. So copy-protection measures will come to have the force of law. The extent of intellectual-property law will be determined only by intellectual-property owners and by what is technologically plausible, no longer by Congress or the courts. Under pressure from scientists and computer folks, Congress added language permitting reverse-engineering under certain restricted circumstances. You can find more information at and . Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson Subject: Re: (fractint) 35 pars(fn*z+z)kroth map Date: 12 Aug 1998 23:36:09 +0200 At 11:39 12.08.1998 -0400, you wrote: >Bonjour Guy, > >>> While experimenting with a par-file from Jimbo I found a strange >>> behaviour of Fractint 19.6 in the TYPE=FN*Z+Z. The "1:1" shows the >>> original image, the pictures named strange!, ..1, ..2 and ..3 are >>> zoom-in's with as result: broken images.. strange...? or, a bug..? >>> enjoy, > > There is nothing strange in this behaviour and it is not a bug, but Jim >used symmetry=xyaxis whereas these images have no symmetry. Try removing >"symmetry=xyaxis" from your pars and you will see the correct images. Thanks Sylvie, you're right! By the way, nice homepage you got! From a few of your fractals I will try to make some films.. At the moment I am playing around with 3D-IFS and 3D-ICONS.. Is there anybody in this list, having experienced with both of them? Or are there little helping programs (like IFSSPELL.EXE) but for 3D (fractint) rendering? Cheers, Guy > > Amicalement, > > - Sylvie > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 12 Aug 1998 16:05:05 -0700 I thought I'd update you one the similar fractals I mentioned earlier. I wrote: >I think Tim is right, inasmuch as some of the Fractint formulas with >default parameters can produce VERY similar, if not identical, fractals. >Those "honest" similarities are rare, but will happen. Apparently that is the case, here. The other artist wrote to say: >>>This is incredible. Fractals are like DNA, practically irreproducible, but yours Linda and mine (I generated it myself, working for hours on colours) are practically identical in concept and colour. Just a few days ago I didn't know you exist and now I posted a picture that may be called a plagiarism. I apologize, that certainly was not my intention.<<< I accept his explanation and wrote to him: >>No need for an apology, Tom! Similarities like this are rare, but are possible! Since it's not plagiarism, there is no need to apologize. Instead, I say, "Nice image, Tom," :-))<< Linda Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Earl Simpson" Subject: Re: (fractint) I need some quick help... Date: 12 Aug 1998 19:08:20 -0500 Tim, If worked fine on my end. Earl Simpson -----Original Message----- >I'm making an HFS (Mac-format) CD, and I want to make sure all the >special GIF Header information is preserved. All I'm doing is opening >images from a CD a friend of mine made (DOS-format) and using Photoshop >to save them. Doing this create a neat 32x32 thumbnail-icon. > >But, I'm not sure if Photoshop is tossing all that extra Header stuff. >And I'm not in a place where I can test my changes. So, can someone >download my test image from: > >http://www.scruz.net/~tgilman/tim/macfract/versions/AAUTEST.GIF > >and see if DOS-Fractint can parse it, along with the extra header stuff? > >This would help me out tons... > >thanks, > >-= tim gilman > > > > "There is no truth, in which passing through awareness, does not lie. > Yet we chase after it all the same." - J. Lacan > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Earl Simpson" Subject: Re: (fractint) I need some quick help... Date: 12 Aug 1998 19:22:23 -0500 Tim, It worked fine here, as far as reproducing it, but the data itself is gone. Shows up as a plasma fractal. Earl Simpson -----Original Message----- >I'm making an HFS (Mac-format) CD, and I want to make sure all the >special GIF Header information is preserved. All I'm doing is opening >images from a CD a friend of mine made (DOS-format) and using Photoshop >to save them. Doing this create a neat 32x32 thumbnail-icon. > >But, I'm not sure if Photoshop is tossing all that extra Header stuff. >And I'm not in a place where I can test my changes. So, can someone >download my test image from: > >http://www.scruz.net/~tgilman/tim/macfract/versions/AAUTEST.GIF > >and see if DOS-Fractint can parse it, along with the extra header stuff? > >This would help me out tons... > >thanks, > >-= tim gilman > > > > "There is no truth, in which passing through awareness, does not lie. > Yet we chase after it all the same." - J. Lacan > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Earl Simpson" Subject: Re: (fractint) I need some quick help... Date: 12 Aug 1998 19:22:23 -0500 Tim, It worked fine here, as far as reproducing it, but the data itself is gone. Shows up as a plasma fractal. Earl Simpson -----Original Message----- >I'm making an HFS (Mac-format) CD, and I want to make sure all the >special GIF Header information is preserved. All I'm doing is opening >images from a CD a friend of mine made (DOS-format) and using Photoshop >to save them. Doing this create a neat 32x32 thumbnail-icon. > >But, I'm not sure if Photoshop is tossing all that extra Header stuff. >And I'm not in a place where I can test my changes. So, can someone >download my test image from: > >http://www.scruz.net/~tgilman/tim/macfract/versions/AAUTEST.GIF > >and see if DOS-Fractint can parse it, along with the extra header stuff? > >This would help me out tons... > >thanks, > >-= tim gilman > > > > "There is no truth, in which passing through awareness, does not lie. > Yet we chase after it all the same." - J. Lacan > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Turner Rentz" Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95 Date: 12 Aug 1998 23:15:32 -0400 Fractint 19.6 DOS does not run under NT; I could only get it to draw in the background to disk. -----Original Message----- >> >> The crucial thing seems to be, if you want calculation to continue in >> the background while you do other things (and why else are you trying to >> run under windows?), you MUST set Misc - Always suspend to Off. >> Otherwise when the DOS session loses focus it gets suspended i.e. no >> more calculation! > >Yes, I forgot to mention this. Also, you may need to adjust the Idle >Sensitivity slider to ensure that your DOS session gets CPU while in the >background. Although, this seems to be more critical under NT, than >95. > > >Ken... > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shauna Jones" Subject: Re: AW: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mo Date: 12 Aug 1998 19:22:02 -1000 Don't know about you, but Fractint 19.6 runs quite happily under OS/2 for us, with no need for booting DOS. Unfortunately, can't do the same thing on the same hardware with W95! ;-) And why spend money for System Commander when OS/2's Boot Manager works just fine? On 12 Aug 98 at 10:10, Vyvey Jan wrote: > Everytime I read in this mailing list about problems > with fractint (most of the time with the video) it's > because one starts fractint in a dos box from without > WIN95 or (recently) WIN98 or whatever DOS box it may be. > > Let me gave you one good advice: Run Fractint directly > from 100 % pure DOS, then it's good, beautiful and FAST. > > And if you want to use other operating systems on the > same computer, do as I do and install the software > bootmanager called SYSTEM COMMANDER that gives you the > opportunity to start your PC in DOS, WIN311, WIN95, > WIN98, WINNT, OS2, Linux, ot whatever OS you have and > want to use. I have on my PC a partition with DOS622, > one with WIN311 and one with WINNT40. When you want to > use another OS, simply reboot your PC, choose the OS and > start (without anything resident of course) your OS in > the circumstances that are best for that OS (and > fractint runs best in DOS of course). Another blast of bits from David Visit our not-so-boring web page: http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/ Visit the Hawaii Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net Random Thought for this Nanosecond Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vyvey Jan Subject: AW: AW: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mo Date: 13 Aug 1998 08:10:29 +0200 I agree. When you have only one OS on your PC, you really don't need System Commander. Again we see that Micrsoft tries to do what others (OS/2,..) already do for years. Jan > >Don't know about you, but Fractint 19.6 runs quite >happily under OS/2 for us, with no need for booting DOS. >Unfortunately, can't do the same thing on the same >hardware with W95! ;-) > >And why spend money for System Commander when OS/2's Boot >Manager works just fine? > >On 12 Aug 98 at 10:10, Vyvey Jan wrote: > >> Everytime I read in this mailing list about problems >> with fractint (most of the time with the video) it's >> because one starts fractint in a dos box from without >> WIN95 or (recently) WIN98 or whatever DOS box it may be. >> >> Let me gave you one good advice: Run Fractint directly >> from 100 % pure DOS, then it's good, beautiful and FAST. >> >> And if you want to use other operating systems on the >> same computer, do as I do and install the software >> bootmanager called SYSTEM COMMANDER that gives you the >> opportunity to start your PC in DOS, WIN311, WIN95, >> WIN98, WINNT, OS2, Linux, ot whatever OS you have and >> want to use. I have on my PC a partition with DOS622, >> one with WIN311 and one with WINNT40. When you want to >> use another OS, simply reboot your PC, choose the OS and >> start (without anything resident of course) your OS in >> the circumstances that are best for that OS (and >> fractint runs best in DOS of course). > >Another blast of bits from David >Visit our not-so-boring web page: http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/ >Visit the Hawaii Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org/ >For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net > >Random Thought for this Nanosecond >Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes. > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Pearson Subject: (fractint) Disk-video takes longer? Date: 13 Aug 1998 10:05:47 +0200 Here's something I've only just noticed. Disk-video calculation seems to take much longer for the same image at the same resolution than real video. Is this generally true and if so why? Some examples, all at 640x480x256 (the disk video mode is one I fudged myself): Under windows Command prompt only real disk real disk 1 2.42 20.48 1.98 13.24 2 3.79 20.49 2.91 14.17 3 39.17 1:00.37 27.18 40.42 4 4:46.87 5:31.59 4:22.71 4:46.43 By the way this is the first time I've bothered to reboot to DOS to run fractint! Looks like there is a real speed advantage. Maybe I'll be using it more, but only for batch generation overnight. Joe Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vyvey Jan Subject: AW: (fractint) Disk-video takes longer? Date: 13 Aug 1998 11:55:48 +0200 Joe, You're right You have to consider two aspects: - disk access "IS" always slower dan video access - it depends also of your calculation method (tesseral, guessing, boundary, ...) Jan > >Here's something I've only just noticed. Disk-video calculation seems >to take much longer for the same image at the same resolution than real >video. Is this generally true and if so why? > >Some examples, all at 640x480x256 (the disk video mode is one I fudged >myself): > Under windows Command prompt only > real disk real disk >1 2.42 20.48 1.98 13.24 >2 3.79 20.49 2.91 14.17 >3 39.17 1:00.37 27.18 40.42 >4 4:46.87 5:31.59 4:22.71 4:46.43 > >By the way this is the first time I've bothered to reboot to DOS to run >fractint! Looks like there is a real speed advantage. Maybe I'll be >using it more, but only for batch generation overnight. > >Joe > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Pearson Subject: RE: (fractint) Disk-video takes longer? Date: 13 Aug 1998 12:09:41 +0200 Jan, you too are right ... but doesn't fractint's "disk-video" mode use memory not disk? I don't see any disk activity while it's calculating. All examples given are using solid guessing. Joe >Joe, > >You're right >You have to consider two aspects: >- disk access "IS" always slower dan video access >- it depends also of your calculation method (tesseral, guessing, >boundary, ...) > >Jan > >> >>Here's something I've only just noticed. Disk-video calculation seems >>to take much longer for the same image at the same resolution than real >>video. Is this generally true and if so why? >> >>Some examples, all at 640x480x256 (the disk video mode is one I fudged >>myself): >> Under windows Command prompt only >> real disk real disk >>1 2.42 20.48 1.98 13.24 >>2 3.79 20.49 2.91 14.17 >>3 39.17 1:00.37 27.18 40.42 >>4 4:46.87 5:31.59 4:22.71 4:46.43 >> >>By the way this is the first time I've bothered to reboot to DOS to run >>fractint! Looks like there is a real speed advantage. Maybe I'll be >>using it more, but only for batch generation overnight. >> >>Joe > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Disk-video takes longer? Date: 13 Aug 1998 12:31:50 +0200 Joe wrote: >Here's something I've only just noticed. Disk-video calculation seems >to take much longer for the same image at the same resolution than real >video. Is this generally true and if so why? I guess it's because fractint writes directly to the disk, which is a lot slower than to video ram. I don't use disk video modes often (fractint works fine for me in 9x - until I press the windows button or something like the really annoying 'Disk Low - Clean up disk' message of win98), but when i do, i copy the fractint directory to a ramdisk and execute it from there. I believe this works. The dos ramdrives - i think they aren't supplied with dos7.x anymore - need usually be loaded from config.sys and although i use dos6.21 ramdrive.sys, windows works fine with these. When you install the ramdisk, make sure to set the command line parameters right. Oh, and it might be a good idea if you choose a drive letter that exceeds your cdrom drives etc. Christian -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Joe Pearson Aan: 'fractint list' Datum: donderdag 13 augustus 1998 10:05 Onderwerp: (fractint) Disk-video takes longer? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: AW: AW: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mo Date: 13 Aug 1998 12:23:24 +0200 Jan wrote: >I agree. > >When you have only one OS on your PC, you really don't need System >Commander. >Again we see that Micrsoft tries to do what others (OS/2,..) already do >for years. Microsoft? Well, syscom isn't Microsofts, is it? I don't think Microsoft will ever implement something like syscom or OS/2 bootman into windows 9x. Okay, there is the lousy multiboot=1, but that just allows you to start an older version of DOS. A Microsoft bootman would only encourage people to use different OSes but windows... I make use of setver to use older dos programs from dos 7.1. And I use loadlin to load Linux. If you have windows NT, there's also some 'boot manager' that will allow you to go to dos. If you have OS/2, you get a not-too-bad boot manager. I believe the winNT bootman allows you to start other dos versions from other drives. So if you just use Win9x, OS/2, linux, winNT and DOS, there is in most cases no need for system commander. You will need a bootman though, if you keep multiple DOS versions (>2 [including 7.1] when having win9x, no NT; >1 if you have NT) on *ONE* drive. I personally have used Syscom 3.00/3.07/3.09 for quite a while. I'm awaiting a copy of 4.0. I have also used winNT's 'bootman' and - last bot not least - LILO, the LInux LOader. Christian -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Vyvey Jan Aan: 'fractint@lists.xmission.com' Datum: donderdag 13 augustus 1998 8:19 Onderwerp: AW: AW: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mo Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vyvey Jan Subject: AW: (fractint) Disk-video takes longer? Date: 13 Aug 1998 12:57:11 +0200 Joe, Yes, that's right, I was a little bit to quick to answer you. The reason might be the memory size of the buffer window (which you can see on the screen) that is used to access the extended memory of the PC. On my PC it is always 48 Kb but the limit should be 64 Kb according to the fractint.doc file. In the doc file they say that this amount of memory has a great influence on the speed of the "disk video modes". Perhaps the programmers of fractint know the answer Jan > >Jan, you too are right ... but doesn't fractint's "disk-video" mode use >memory not disk? I don't see any disk activity while it's calculating. >All examples given are using solid guessing. > >Joe > >>Joe, >> >>You're right >>You have to consider two aspects: >>- disk access "IS" always slower dan video access >>- it depends also of your calculation method (tesseral, guessing, >>boundary, ...) >> >>Jan >> >>> >>>Here's something I've only just noticed. Disk-video calculation seems >>>to take much longer for the same image at the same resolution than real >>>video. Is this generally true and if so why? >>> >>>Some examples, all at 640x480x256 (the disk video mode is one I fudged >>>myself): >>> Under windows Command prompt only >>> real disk real disk >>>1 2.42 20.48 1.98 13.24 >>>2 3.79 20.49 2.91 14.17 >>>3 39.17 1:00.37 27.18 40.42 >>>4 4:46.87 5:31.59 4:22.71 4:46.43 >>> >>>By the way this is the first time I've bothered to reboot to DOS to run >>>fractint! Looks like there is a real speed advantage. Maybe I'll be >>>using it more, but only for batch generation overnight. >>> >>>Joe >> > > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) 35 pars(fn*z+z)kroth map Date: 13 Aug 1998 07:05:59 -0400 Hi Guy, >> By the way, nice homepage you got! Thanks! >> From a few of your fractals I will try to make some films.. Do you mean that you will make FLIs as you did last year from some of m= y tri-mandel images? Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fliguer, Miguel" Subject: RE: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95 Date: 13 Aug 1998 10:47:08 -0300 > Turner Rentz[SMTP:treyr@atr.net] wrote : >=20 >>>Fractint 19.6 DOS does not run under NT; I could only >>>get it to draw in the background to disk. I got Fractint for DOS v19.6 happily running under NT 4.0 (on a HP Vectra) BTW, did anybody try to run Fractint for DOS on Alpha NT (with FX32) ? OK, here=B4s my first contribution to this list. A bit depressing... Winter2 { ; (c) Miguel Fliguer reset=3D1960 type=3Djulia passes=3D1 center-mag=3D+0.00616407940066360/+0.00175888870125888/2.909761e+011/0.0= 75 \ 57/84.251/-9.893 params=3D-1.479875585064292/0.001104533672332764 float=3Dy inside=3Dmaxiter logmap=3Dyes = colors=3D000JJJ<77>000zzz<174>KKK } --- Miguel Fliguer Miniphone S.A. - Buenos Aires, Argentina m_fliguer@miniphone.com.ar Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Pars for the course Date: 13 Aug 1998 14:43:15 -0500 Julia_37 { ; (c) by Bob Margolis, 1998 reset=1960 type=julzpower passes=1 center-mag=+0.00000000000000014/-0.00000000000000010/1550.388 params=-1.940373981667924/-4.550284839423544e-011/2.00005/0 float=y maxiter=900 inside=bof60 distest=-1/71/768/768 symmetry=xyaxis periodicity=0 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=zzz70D<2>407zzz<15>0QZ0S`0Uc<12>068zzz<15>Z0Z`0`c0c<12>808zzz<15>\ Kg0Lj0Nn0<12>470zzz<15>e04h05<13>301zzz<15>90eA0h<13>206zzz<15>sW0wZ0<13\ >850zzz<15>0C00D0<13>020wwx<14>E0SF0UH0X<8>80F cyclerange=1/1 } Julia_38 { ; 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(c) by Bob Margolis, 1998 reset=1960 type=popcornjul passes=t center-mag=+0.00000000000000031/-0.00000000000000031/96.68562/1.3333/47.\ 5 params=3.1 float=y maxiter=255 bailout=5 potential=255/50/0 symmetry=xyaxis periodicity=0 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=0YVraU<7>i96g53h96<11>zzm<15>U0A<12>zmz<8>`5fY0cY0`<9>O34<9>mmz<8\ >00K<15>0wm<7>0K0<6>zze<9>0Af<6>mwz<7>0UU0aW<5>0zc<5>mwK<9>PA0<15>zmm<7>\ U0K<5>mzz<15>00w<9>Pwe<10>0K5<10>zzm<5>seX cyclerange=1/1 } Popcornjul_19 { ; (c) by Bob Margolis, 1998 reset=1960 type=popcornjul passes=1 center-mag=+0.00000000000000087/-0.00000000000000087/81.7715/1.3333 params=1.7 float=y maxiter=1023 potential=255/200/7 symmetry=xyaxis periodicity=0 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000<230>0000e0e00eL0LLLLzLzLLzzL000888EEEKKK<2>hhhsss00zW0zz0zz0W\ z00zW0zz0Wz00z0 cyclerange=1/1 } Popcornjul_20 { ; (c) by Bob Margolis, 1998 reset=1960 type=popcornjul passes=1 center-mag=+0.00000000000000028/-0.00000000000000028/3.267974/1.3333 params=2.3 float=y maxiter=255 bailout=2 potential=100/150/0 symmetry=xyaxis periodicity=0 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=G0V<30>G0Vzzz<15>0QZ0S`0Uc<12>068zzz<15>Z0Z`0`c0c<11>A0A808808<15\ 8>020 cyclerange=1/1 } Popcornjul_21 { ; (c) by Bob Margolis, 1998 reset=1960 type=popcornjul passes=1 center-mag=+0.00000000000000026/-0.00000000000000026/61.3497/1.3333 params=3 float=y maxiter=255 bailout=2 potential=50/150/0 symmetry=xyaxis periodicity=0 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000I0T<2>I0T000S0EU0A<8>i05000m04<3>u01w00w00<29>V90UA0VC1<14>rmU\ <15>0FA<15>_w0<9>KAK000<108>0000AU<21>00w<8>G0W cyclerange=1/1 } Popcornjul_22 { ; (c) by Bob Margolis, 1998 reset=1960 type=popcornjul center-mag=+0.00000000000000000/+0.00000000000000000/0.4444444/1.3333 params=2 maxiter=2 potential=255/40/2 invert=0.75/0/0 symmetry=xyaxis periodicity=0 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=0000zz<13>0zzzz0000<5>000zz0000<5>000zz0000<5>000zz0000<5>000zz00\ 00<5>000zz0000<5>000zz0000<5>000zz0000<5>000zz0000<5>000zz0000<5>000zz00\ 00<5>000zz0000<5>000zz0000<5>000zz0000<5>0000zz<14>0zzzz0000<5>000zz0000\ <5>000zz0000<5>000zz0000<5>000zz0000<5>000zz0000<5>000zz0000<5>000zz0000\ <5>000zz0000<5>000zz0000<5>000zz0000<5>000zz0000<5>000zz0000<5>000zz0000\ <5>000 cyclerange=1/1 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson Subject: Re: (fractint) 35 pars(fn*z+z)kroth map Date: 13 Aug 1998 23:46:23 +0200 Hi Sylvie, > Do you mean that you will make FLIs as you did last year from some of my >tri-mandel images? Yes, some transformations of originals per continuous alteration of parameters.. I'm gonna send you the batch via privat email (if you like). Cheers, Guy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Regina & Steve" Subject: (fractint) corrupting pictures Date: 14 Aug 1998 18:07:44 +1000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BDC7AE.6F6D1A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, =20 Thank you for all the advice regarding corrupt pictures. At the moment I = have decided to use the quick fix - ie run under DOS only, which is a = pain as my main operating system is Win95, soon to be Win98. Which means = I won't use it all that often. Who has time to muck about & reboot... (I = hope to get around to getting it working on Win95 or 98) =20 My question arose because: the default video mode doesn't work at all... the arrow keys stop = responding after viewing a picture as do the other keys, ie F1 - help, = (at least the mouse still worked), the picture then becomes corrupt, I = can't save what I do without it becoming corrupt -I have to shutdown or = as I later found out Ctr-Alt-Del allows me to terminate fractint without = shuting down the whole machine. Has anyone else heard of this = experience? Will Fractint be doing something so that the default is one = that doesn't cause this problem...most other video modes don't have this = effect, but newbies don't always know what to look for. and it is so = easy to press the key by accident and go straight to drawing a = fractal...... It was almost enough for me to give up on fractint. I read about the = video mode questions here and thought - maybe there is a solution ( I = had in fact given up on fractint) I wonder how many people find this and = do give up.. there are plenty of programs available for Win95 which work = without thinking. I currently use a new computer, new operating system, and find the = documentation almost nonexistent. Software tends to be try and = see......and all of my other DOS programs worked without a hitch. =20 Fractint 19.6: What version of DOS (MS-DOS) is this written for anyway? = What is the future since DOS is just an old operating system of = Microsofts (this is the opinion of everyone I know)? ......................... now for that illusive million dollar = fractal.......... ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BDC7AE.6F6D1A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,
 
Thank you for all the advice = regarding corrupt=20 pictures. At the moment I have decided to use the quick fix - ie run = under DOS=20 only, which is a pain as my main operating system is Win95, soon to be = Win98.=20 Which means I won't use it all that often. Who has time to muck about = &=20 reboot... (I hope to get around to getting it working on Win95 or=20 98)
 
My question arose because:
 
the default video mode doesn't work at all... the = arrow keys=20 stop responding after viewing a picture as do the other keys, ie F1 - = help, (at=20 least the mouse still worked), the picture then becomes corrupt, I can't = save=20 what I do without it becoming corrupt -I have to shutdown or as I later = found=20 out Ctr-Alt-Del allows me to terminate fractint without shuting down the = whole=20 machine. Has anyone else heard of this experience? Will Fractint be = doing=20 something so that the default is one that doesn't cause this = problem...most=20 other video modes don't have this effect, but newbies don't always know = what to=20 look for. and it is so easy to press the = <enter> key=20 by accident and go straight to drawing a fractal......
 
It was almost enough for me to give up on fractint. = I read=20 about the video mode questions here and thought - maybe there is a = solution ( I=20 had in fact given up on fractint) I wonder how many people find this and = do give=20 up.. there are plenty of programs available for Win95 which work without = thinking.
 
I currently use a new computer, new = operating=20 system, and find the documentation almost nonexistent. Software tends to = be try=20 and see......and all of my other DOS programs worked without a=20 hitch.
 
Fractint 19.6: What version of DOS = (MS-DOS) is=20 this written for anyway? What is the future since DOS is just an old = operating=20 system of Microsofts (this is the opinion of everyone I = know)?
 
 
        =20 ......................... now for that illusive million dollar=20 fractal..........
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BDC7AE.6F6D1A60-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) corrupting pictures Date: 14 Aug 1998 05:13:36 -0400 Hi Regina, >> Thank you for all the advice regarding corrupt pictures. At the >> moment I have decided to use the quick fix - ie run under DOS only, >> which is a pain as my main operating system is Win95, soon to be >> Win98. Which means I won't use it all that often. Who has time to >> muck about & reboot... (I hope to get around to getting it working on >> Win95 or 98) First of all, I'd like to suggest you to make sure you have the latest drivers available for your video card. Then, you might want to try vesa2cfg.exe, downladable from my homepage at CompuServe (at the bottom o= f gallery 1, see the URL below). If you don't know how to update your fractint.cfg, e-mail me the text file created by vesa2cfg (qpv.cfg) and I'll do it for you. Cheers, - Sylvie E-mail: Sylvie_Gallet@CompuServe.com Visit my exhibit at Museum of Computer Art: http://www.dorsai.org/~moca/ My Fractal Galleries: http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/sylvie/gallet.html http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: AW: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mode?? Date: 14 Aug 1998 09:53:38 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Vyvey Jan wrote: > Let me gave you one good advice: Run Fractint directly from 100 % pure > DOS, then it's good, beautiful and FAST. I don't want to reboot just so I can run Fractint. At least not most of the time. It works well enough in dosemu that I'm satisfied most of the time. (I just wish I could get color-cycling to work! :) Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: (fractint) [rootshell] Security Bulletin #22 (fwd) Date: 14 Aug 1998 11:49:00 -0400 (EDT) I know people don't usually talk about security on this list, but you guys ought to know about this, since so many of you use ICQ. Impact: anyone can log into the ICQ server as you without knowing your password, knowing only your UIN, simply by trying any 9-character password. They will be you, for all intents and purposes. This hadn't come to light previously because the ICQ clients that Mirabilis made would chop off the password at 8 characters before sending it to the server. ICQ (server, client, and the protocol in between) is grossly insecure -- this is only the latest kindergarten-level security hole to be found, and by no means the most serious. Kragen ---------- Forwarded message ---------- just got this news from rootshell, i havent seen it on bugtraq, so i forward it... btw this one is serious... --- Forwarded Message --- >Delivered-To: announce-outgoing@newsletter.connectnet.com >Date: 14 Aug 1998 05:48:06 -0000 >Cc: recipient list not shown: ; >From: announce-outgoing@rootshell.com >X-Mailer: Rootshell 1.0 >Subject: [rootshell] Security Bulletin #22 > > >www.rootshell.com >Security Bulletin #22 >August 13th, 1998 > >[ http://www.rootshell.com/ ] > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from this mailing list send e-mail to majordomo@rootshell.com >with "unsubscribe announce" in the BODY of the message. > >Send submissions to info@rootshell.com. Messages sent will not be sent to >other members on this list unless it is featured in a security bulletin. > >An archive of this list is available at : >http://www.rootshell.com/mailinglist-archive > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >01. ICQ Password Verification Bug >--------------------------------- > >It appears that ICQ has yet another bug. This was just sent in from one of >our users. This bug has been confirmed by Rootshell. > >>From zallison@rice.edu Thu Aug 13 22:34:42 1998 >Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:25:49 -0300 >From: zack >To: kit@rootshell.com >Subject: Major ICQ security hole. > >Greetings... > >I code a linux ICQ clone, and after one of my users mistyped his >password, and was allowed into his account anyway. After further >investivating, this is what I found. > >* It is possible to log in to the ICQ servers as ANYONE without having >to know their password. This leads to all sorts of comprimises. This >is *not* simply spoofing > >How it works: > >The mirabilis server uses a password of 8 chars. Their clients do the >range checking and only send in passwords of 8 or less chars. The Linux >clones, mine in particular, don't do this. > >* When a password of 9 or more characters is sent, their buffer is >over-run, and it allows you to log in. > > >The exploit: > >Download any ICQ clone (example: http://hookah.ml.org/zicq) > >Set the UIN to be the targets UIN >Set the password to "123456789" <-- Just large enough to overflow > >Start the ICQ program. If all goes well, it will log in and connect, as >that user. Any waiting (offline) messages will be delivered to you. >You can now send _and_ recieve messages and URLS as the client allows. > >Notes: > >This is NOT spoofing, you are actually logged in as the selected UIN. >Unlike spoofing you can recieve messages as well. > >All UINS will work, as long as someone is not already logged in with >that UIN. > >Mirabilis / AOL really needs to fix this problem. > >Zack > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from this mailing list send e-mail to majordomo@rootshell.com >with "unsubscribe announce" in the BODY of the message. > >Send submissions to info@rootshell.com. Messages sent will not be sent to >other members on this list unless it is featured in a security bulletin. > >An archive of this list is available at : >http://www.rootshell.com/mailinglist-archive > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- End of Forwarded Message --- DeadSock http://members.xoom.com/deadsock/ Key ID 0xD8940389 Fingerprint 74C4 E0AE BBFE 0601 E13F 2ADC 5085 5B48 D894 0389 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wdecker@csc.com Subject: (fractint) Looking for a PAR parser Date: 14 Aug 1998 13:04:05 -0400 Like many Fractint users, I have zillions of PARs in various files. Way= too may PARS and way too many files. I?d like to get some insight (from my entire collection) into which particular formulas and their primary parameters are giving me the best results. So here's a request for folk= s on the Fractint list. Does anyone know of a utility that will parse PARs? I?d like to extract= a flat-file from PARs that would contain the PARname, formulaname, P1/P2/= P3, fn1/fn2/fn3/fn4, and maybe one or two other parameters. If I could get such a flat-file, I?d import it into a spreadsheet and t= hen sort by formulaname and PARname. I know the PARnames that go with my be= tter fractals, so maybe if I saw them in clusters with sets of Pn?s or fn?s,= I would get some clues to where to concentrate my efforts. I try to be an organized person, but I fail at keeping organized so oft= en that I know that I need tools to help. If anyone knows of this type of tool, or something that can be bent to do the job, I?d love to hear abo= ut it. I'd be personally interested in a utility that runs on a PC since that's my current platform. (I'm sure there's some neat UNIX scripts, e= tc. that could work, but I couldn't use them.) TIA Bill Decker = Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) Looking for a PAR parser Date: 14 Aug 1998 12:58:18 -0700 (PDT) > > Like many Fractint users, I have zillions of PARs in various files. Way too > may PARS and way too many files. I?d like to get some insight (from my > entire collection) into which particular formulas and their primary > parameters are giving me the best results. So here's a request for folks on > the Fractint list. > > Does anyone know of a utility that will parse PARs? I?d like to extract a > flat-file from PARs that would contain the PARname, formulaname, P1/P2/P3, > fn1/fn2/fn3/fn4, and maybe one or two other parameters. > > If I could get such a flat-file, I?d import it into a spreadsheet and then > sort by formulaname and PARname. I know the PARnames that go with my better > fractals, so maybe if I saw them in clusters with sets of Pn?s or fn?s, I > would get some clues to where to concentrate my efforts. > > I try to be an organized person, but I fail at keeping organized so often > that I know that I need tools to help. If anyone knows of this type of > tool, or something that can be bent to do the job, I?d love to hear about > it. I'd be personally interested in a utility that runs on a PC since > that's my current platform. (I'm sure there's some neat UNIX scripts, etc. > that could work, but I couldn't use them.) If you have some programming experience, the quickest solution is probably to use PERL to write a script that would take PAR file(s) as input, parse the individual PARs, and output the information that you want to track. There are versions of PERL that will run on PC platforms. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gilbert Donchez Subject: (fractint) first message Date: 14 Aug 1998 22:16:44 +0200 Hello, I'm using Fractint for several years and I'm very thankfull for all of those who are contributed to do Fractint as it is. Thanks too to Michael Peters and George Martin for Partobat and Orgform and thanks for all of you in the list who give interesting informations in your messages. Here are some pars from Sylvie Gallet formula : dentelle { ; ; ; (c)1998 Gilbert Donchez gdonchez@club-internet.fr ; formule Sylvie Gallet -gallet-6-01.frm- ; Aug 14, 1998 0:00:41.73 640x480 Cyrix 5x86 100Mhz reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_g.frm formulaname=Gallet-6-01 function=sin/cabs/tan passes=3 center-mag=-6.78174/1.60984/0.6840086/0.9355/-10.983/-50.821 params=-2/0/-1/0/5/-3 float=y maxiter=250 inside=zmag outside=atan decomp=256 colors=000H3G<8>000<14>I1NJ1PI1N<14>000<15>uFC<12>B32FCA411000<15>lX4<11\ >C81005<2>004134<14>Kny<5>CWb7TZ<12>7TZJ01<9>t02<15>000<15>0xE<15>000<2>\ 26B28E28E28E28E18E<3>28E7Pi28E8Tp8Vt<15>000<15>U5S<5>J3H } harem { ; ; ; (c)1998 Gilbert Donchez gdonchez@club-internet.fr ; Sylvie Gallet -gallet-6-01.frm- ; Aug 14, 1998 0:01:55.50 640x480 Cyrix 5x86 100Mhz reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_g.frm formulaname=Gallet-6-01 function=exp/cos/atan passes=3 center-mag=-2.20127/-2.35927/0.04807692/1.7999/-133.724/-1.887 params=-2/0/-1/0/5/-3 float=y maxiter=250 inside=zmag outside=atan decomp=256 colors=000011000<41>LLLLMLKLK<39>010000011<41>Bqv<40>011000011<40>2_x2`y\ 2_x<38>023 } libellule { ; ; ; (c)1998 Gilbert Donchez gdonchez@club-internet.fr ; Sylvie Gallet -gallet-6-01.frm- ; Aug 14, 1998 0:00:22.79 580x435 Cyrix 5x86 100Mhz reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_g.frm formulaname=Gallet-6-01 function=log/atan/zero passes=3 center-mag=0.0899392/0.157419/1.734237/1/164.999 params=-2/0/-1/0/5/-3 float=y maxiter=250 inside=epsiloncross outside=summ invert=1/0/0 viewwindows=4.2/0.75/yes/580/435 colors=000ZR6UN5<4>000<2>I90NC0TE0YH0bK0gM0kO0nQ0rS0tT0vU0<3>W00<4>nQ0kO\ 0gM0<2>TE0NC0I90C60630000<2>0I90NC0TF0YI0bK0gM0kP0nR0rS0tU0vV0xV0yW0yW0y\ W0xV2262262262260kP<18>zWW<17>A88777444<14>zz0<16>C06603611<2>O44U55Z66c\ 77h88l99pAAsBBuBBxBByCCzCCzCC<2>xBBuBBsBB<3>0zz<2>O44<3>000<2>7E39J4BN5D\ R6FV7<2>KdAMgBNiBNjB<2>WGG<4>MgBKdAJa9<4>9J4226492241000<3>99O<31>zz0<3>\ hZ8la9pdAsgBuiBxjBylCzlCzmCzlCylCxjBuiBsgBpdA<2>cV7 } firebird { ; ; ; (c)1998 Gilbert Donchez gdonchez@club-internet.fr ; Sylvie Gallet -gallet-6-01.frm- ; Aug 14, 1998 0:00:28.39 580x435 Cyrix 5x86 100Mhz reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_g.frm formulaname=Gallet-6-01 function=sinh/tanh/cosxx passes=3 center-mag=4.85231/-5.05488/2.416651/-0.9336/280.777/-6.201 params=0/3/-1/2/3.15/-5 float=y maxiter=250 inside=zmag outside=atan invert=1/5/-5 decomp=256 viewwindows=4.2/0.75/yes/580/435 colors=000<47>222222322422<60>v00w00v00<13>n00n00o20<13>zU0zW0yU0<13>Y42\ W22W22<45>544444444444<36>555555444<4>000 } gemme_de_feu { ; ; ; (c)1998 Gilbert Donchez gdonchez@club-internet.fr ; Sylvie Gallet -gallet-6-01.frm- ; Aug 14, 1998 0:00:42.29 580x435 Cyrix 5x86 100Mhz reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_g.frm formulaname=Gallet-6-01 function=sin/atan/atan passes=3 center-mag=-1.54535/1.32692/0.221722/1.0741/-45.612/1.887 params=3/0/-1/0/5/-3 float=y maxiter=250 inside=epsiloncross outside=atan distest=-5/71/580/435 viewwindows=4.2/0.75/yes/580/435 colors=000<14>K00L00L00<43>r00s00t00t00s00s00<11>n00m00n10<45>yT0zU0yU0<\ 29>jF0jF0iE1iD1<11>Z31Y31X22X22Y22<44>z00z00y00<30>000 } l'oeuf { ; ; ; (c)1998 Gilbert Donchez gdonchez@club-internet.fr ; Sylvie Gallet -gallet-6-01.frm- ; Aug 14, 1998 0:00:16.04 580x435 Cyrix 5x86 100Mhz reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_g.frm formulaname=gallet-6-01 function=log/atan/zero passes=3 center-mag=-8.41739/-7.64244/0.05184978/-1/224.998 params=-2/-9/9/0/5/-5 float=y maxiter=250 inside=zmag outside=summ viewwindows=4.2/0.75/yes/580/435 colors=000kkp<10>44N000<15>WWW<14>000<15>z00<15>000<15>0zz<15>000<15>00z\ <15>000<15>zz0<15>000<15>0z0<2>0o0<60>zzz<2>oor } Regards Gilbert Gilbert Donchez Grenoble - France gdonchez@club-internet.fr Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Disk-video takes longer? Date: 14 Aug 1998 17:31:03 -0600 Joe asked: > Here's something I've only just noticed. Disk-video calculation seems > to take much longer for the same image at the same resolution than real > video. Is this generally true and if so why? As others have said, writing to disk is much slower tan writing to video memory. Matters are made even worse in guessing mode, because the reading and writing location in the file jumps around. We have added some caching logic that makes it much faster than it might otherwise be. I expect you will find passes=1 symmetry=none makes the speed difference between disk and regular video much less, because in this case the file is written sequentially. There is good news, though. The slowdown is on a per-pixel basis, so the slowdown for any resolution is essentially a constant based on that resolution; it doesn't get worse as the fractal gets slower. (I say "essentially" because in guessing mode the slowdown cannot be easily predicted since it depends on the particular colors.) Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) first message Date: 14 Aug 1998 18:57:13 -0400 Hi Gilbert, Welcome aboard! >> Here are some pars from Sylvie Gallet formula : Thanks for sharing. Very nice images! Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) Looking for a PAR parser Date: 14 Aug 1998 16:51:40 -0700 (PDT) > > Like many Fractint users, I have zillions of PARs in various files. Way too > may PARS and way too many files. I?d like to get some insight (from my > entire collection) into which particular formulas and their primary > parameters are giving me the best results. So here's a request for folks on > the Fractint list. > > Does anyone know of a utility that will parse PARs? I?d like to extract a > flat-file from PARs that would contain the PARname, formulaname, P1/P2/P3, > fn1/fn2/fn3/fn4, and maybe one or two other parameters. Whaddaya know, I found one. :-) Following is a very crude PERL script (since I'm not a PERL expert) that will take a list of .PAR files, and spit out the contents of the individual pars like: jo_we_01.par,jowe0101,formula,_k.frm,wiltetrate,0/0/0/0/0/0 which is filename, par name, type, formula file, formula, params Those familiar with PERL could easily change the script to output different fields, change the order, etc. I did not extensively test it, so I can't guarantee there won't be any problems. It should run on a Win version of PERL, but I can't test that option. All the rest of the standard disclaimers apply, use at your own risk, unsupported, no implied or actual warranties, etc. If anyone decides to improve it, feel free to do so. Just please send me a copy if you do. Other than that, have fun with it. I hope it can be found useful. Ken... =================== #!/usr/local/bin/perl # # parsePar.pl # # Parse .PAR files into a format that could be imported to a spreadsheet # $pars = ""; # # Parse command line arguments. # while (@ARGV) { $_ = shift (@ARGV); print $_ . "\n"; if (/^-v/) { $verbose = 1; next; } elsif (/^-f/) { $outfile = shift @ARGV; next; } else { push @parFiles, $_; } } # # Open Outputfile # if ($outfile) { open (OUTFILE, ">>$outfile") || die "Error opening: $outfile.\n"; } # # Process each .PAR file. # while (@parFiles) { $parFile = $_; if (length ($parFile) > 0) { if ($verbose) { print "Processing PAR file, $parFile.\n"; } ReadPARFile ($parFile); ParsePARFile ($pars); } else { close (OUTFILE); exit 1; } } sub ReadPARFile { local ($parFile) = @_; $pars = ""; open (PARFILE, "<$parFile") || die "Error opening $parFile.\n"; while () { # Ignore blank and comment lines. # if (!/^(\s*;.*|\s*\/\/.*|\s*)$/) { # Remove any comments from end of line. # if (/.*\/\//) { ($_) = /(.*)\/\//; $_ .= "\n"; } $pars .= $_; } } close (PARFILE); return; } sub ParsePARFile { local ($pars) = @_; @par = split /\s*}/i, $pars; foreach $p (@par) { ($parName, $parameters) = split /\s*\s{/, $p; $parName =~ s/\s*//; if (length ($parName) > 0) { $_ = $parameters; $status = ($reset) = /.*reset\s*=\s*(\w+)\s*/; $_ = $parameters; $status = ($type) = /.*type\s*=\s*(\w+)\s*/; $_ = $parameters; $status = ($formulafile) = /.*formulafile\s*=\s*(\w+\.\w+)\s*/; $_ = $parameters; $status = ($formulaname) = /.*formulaname\s*=\s*(\w+)\s*/; $_ = $parameters; $status = ($centermag) = /.*center\-mag\s*=\s*([\-\d\/\.]*)\s*/; $_ = $parameters; $status = ($params) = /.*params\s*=\s*([\-\w\/]*)\s*/; $_ = $parameters; $status = ($maxiter) = /.*maxiter\s*=\s*(\w+)\s*/; $_ = $parameters; $status = ($inside) = /.*inside\s*=\s*(\w+)\s*/; $_ = $parameters; $status = ($outside) = /.*outside\s*=\s*(\w+)\s*/; print OUTFILE $parFile . "," . $parName . "," . $type . "," . $formulafile . "," . $formulaname . "," . $params . "\n"; $_ = ""; } } } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: (fractint) Batch Processing Date: 15 Aug 1998 07:36:15 -0700 Does anyone know of a Win95 program that will reduce the size of jpg's in a batch process? I want to be able to convert my pics to thumbnails as quickly and easily as possible. Currently I have PSP and Corel's Photopaint. Angela Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) first message Date: 15 Aug 1998 09:43:11 -0700 Please post the location of gallet-6-01.frm. Your web page does not (that I could find) reference your formula files. Spanky has only a few. Thanks, Jay ---------- > > Hi Gilbert, > > Welcome aboard! > > >> Here are some pars from Sylvie Gallet formula : > > Thanks for sharing. Very nice images! > > Cheers, > > - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Re: Gallet-6-01 Date: 15 Aug 1998 12:28:56 -0500 Hi Jay; Here 'tis from my collection. Gallet-6-01 { ; Sylvie Gallet [101324,3444], 1996 z = pixel , x = real(z) , y = imag(z) : x1 = x - p1*fn1(y + p2*fn2(x - p3*fn3(y))) y1 = y - p1*fn1(x + p2*fn2(y - p3*fn3(x))) x = x1 , y = y1 z = x + flip(y) |z| <= 32 } Bob Margolis Jay Hill wrote: > > Please post the location of gallet-6-01.frm. Your web page > does not (that I could find) reference your formula files. > Spanky has only a few. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) first message Date: 15 Aug 1998 15:15:32 -0400 Hi Jay, >> Please post the location of gallet-6-01.frm. Your web page does not >> (that I could find) reference your formula files. Spanky has only a >> few. All my formula files are available on my wob page; Gallet-6.frm is in gallet-b.zip. Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) first message Date: 15 Aug 1998 17:16:04 -0700 I'll try one more time. I looked at the only page I know of for you: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/gallet-b.zip gets page not found. So where is this file? Please give exact URL. Thanks, Jay > > Hi Jay, > > >> Please post the location of gallet-6-01.frm. Your web page does not > >> (that I could find) reference your formula files. Spanky has only a > >> few. > > All my formula files are available on my wob page; Gallet-6.frm is in > gallet-b.zip. > > Cheers, > > - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cindy mitchell Subject: Re: (fractint) first message Date: 15 Aug 1998 06:05:05 -0700 Hi, The page you are looking for is - http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/page_1_e.htm Cindy At 05:16 PM 8/15/98 -0700, you wrote: >I'll try one more time. I looked at the only page I know of for you: >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm > >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/gallet-b.zip >gets page not found. > >So where is this file? Please give exact URL. >Thanks, >Jay > >> >> Hi Jay, >> >> >> Please post the location of gallet-6-01.frm. Your web page does not >> >> (that I could find) reference your formula files. Spanky has only a >> >> few. >> >> All my formula files are available on my wob page; Gallet-6.frm is in >> gallet-b.zip. >> >> Cheers, >> >> - Sylvie > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) first message Date: 15 Aug 1998 19:18:24 -0700 Thank you! I see the zip file has '_' not '-'. Found them. And thank you Bob Margolis for posting the formula. Now as I drop back into warp and hit Fractint..... Jay > Hi, > The page you are looking for is - > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/page_1_e.htm > > Cindy > At 05:16 PM 8/15/98 -0700, you wrote: > >I'll try one more time. I looked at the only page I know of for you: > >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm > > > >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/gallet-b.zip > >gets page not found. > > > >So where is this file? Please give exact URL. > >Thanks, > >Jay > > > >> > >> Hi Jay, > >> > >> >> Please post the location of gallet-6-01.frm. Your web page does not > >> >> (that I could find) reference your formula files. Spanky has only a > >> >> few. > >> > >> All my formula files are available on my wob page; Gallet-6.frm is in > >> gallet-b.zip. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> - Sylvie > > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) Continuous color histrogram fractals. Date: 15 Aug 1998 22:41:02 EDT I found the answer to my question about how to get RGB, or at least "continuous color histogram" fractals. Download Tierazon! See http://home.hiwaay.net/~stephenf/ I'm sure this is un-PC, kind of like telling a CorelDream3D conference about POV-Ray. But if I had the question, I'm sure others would have. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Batch Processing Date: 16 Aug 1998 03:53:18 -0500 Angela Wilczynski wrote: > > Does anyone know of a Win95 program that will reduce the size of jpg's > in a batch process? I want to be able to convert my pics to thumbnails > as quickly and easily as possible. > > Currently I have PSP and Corel's Photopaint. > The same people that brought you PSP (JASC at http://www.jasc.com/ ) have a couple of items available at their website. Then there is "ThumbsPlus" by Cerious Software Inc., which may be found at http://www.cerious.com/ . And at least a half dozen others are available. P.N.L. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gilbert Donchez Subject: Re: (fractint) first message Date: 16 Aug 1998 09:45:28 +0200 Hello, I have forgotten to write the formula with the pars ... Sorry Gilbert Jay Hill a =E9crit: > Please post the location of gallet-6-01.frm. Your web page > does not (that I could find) reference your formula files. > Spanky has only a few. > Thanks, > Jay > ---------- > > > > Hi Gilbert, > > > > Welcome aboard! > > > > >> Here are some pars from Sylvie Gallet formula : > > > > Thanks for sharing. Very nice images! > > > > Cheers, > > > > - Sylvie > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) first message Date: 16 Aug 1998 04:36:38 -0400 Hi Jay, >> Thank you! I see the zip file has '_' not '-'. Found them. = Sorry for the typo! Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain.Stirling" Subject: Re: (fractint) Disk-video takes longer? Date: 16 Aug 1998 10:07:23 +0100 (BST) Hi folks, Here's an idea I used to use when I had my 24mB 486 - make a RAMdisk with RAMDRIVE.SYS, copy the whole of FRACTINT onto it, and then run it from that disk, and create your disk-video images there! This obviously provides a considerable increase in speed. I don't know how well that will work under 95 or 98 though, as I haven't tried it... Iain G. Stirling Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Disk-video takes longer? Date: 16 Aug 1998 11:50:28 +0200 Iain wrote: >Hi folks, > >Here's an idea I used to use when I had my 24mB 486 - make a RAMdisk with >RAMDRIVE.SYS, copy the whole of FRACTINT onto it, and then run it from >that disk, and create your disk-video images there! This obviously >provides a considerable increase in speed. > >I don't know how well that will work under 95 or 98 though, as I haven't >tried it... > > >Iain G. Stirling I already posted this approach. Ramdrive.sys does work fine with win95. I guess it works with 98 as well, but haven't tested it yet. Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain.Stirling" Subject: Re: (fractint) Disk-video takes longer? Date: 16 Aug 1998 21:10:44 +0100 (BST) > > Iain wrote: > > >Hi folks, > > > >Here's an idea I used to use when I had my 24mB 486 - make a RAMdisk with > >RAMDRIVE.SYS, copy the whole of FRACTINT onto it, and then run it from > >that disk, and create your disk-video images there! This obviously > >provides a considerable increase in speed. > > > >I don't know how well that will work under 95 or 98 though, as I haven't > >tried it... > > > > > >Iain G. Stirling > > > I already posted this approach. Ramdrive.sys does work fine with win95. I > guess it works with 98 as well, but haven't tested it yet. > > Christian > Oops! Sorry Christian - I must have missed that message, as I only get to check my mail here once a fortnight, and as you know there are easily 200 messages in that time! Iain. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) Continuous color histrogram fractals. Date: 16 Aug 1998 16:02:33 -0700 Greg wrote: > Tierazon . . . I'm sure this is un-PC, kind of like telling a CorelDream3D conference about >POV-Ray. But if I had the question, I'm sure others would have. Actually, discussions about other fractal programs come up periodically. I don't think anyone minds! Linda Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism Date: 16 Aug 1998 19:25:17 -0500 Kragen wrote: > > For now. If Congress passes the current "WIPO implementation" > bill, fair use will be dead. > U.S. House passes Internet copyright bill (Posted at 6:28 PM PT, Aug 4, 1998) The U.S. House of Representatives on Tuesday approved by a voice vote a bill that extends copyright protection to material on the Internet. The bill, based on treaties drafted by the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) in December of 1996, covers written material and sound recordings. Its intent is to protect copyright holders, including software developers, recording artists, and publishers, from illegal electronic distribution of intellectual property. The U.S. Senate in May approved its version of the bill. The House and Senate bills will be sent to a conference committee to work out the differences between the two versions. The Senate is in recess until Sept. 1 and the House is on break from Aug. 10 to Sept. 8, so the conference committee will not meet until both return. (further information at following URL) http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?98084.wicopyright.htm P.N.L. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nhan Nguyen" Subject: Re: (fractint) Continuous color histrogram fractals. Date: 16 Aug 1998 20:03:03 On Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:02:33 -0700, fractint@lists.xmission.com wrote... >Greg wrote: >> Tierazon . . . I'm sure this is un-PC, kind of like telling a >CorelDream3D conference about >>POV-Ray. But if I had the question, I'm sure others would have. > > >Actually, discussions about other fractal programs come up periodically. >I don't think anyone minds! >Linda > > Tiera-Zon rocks! I love using it. If you like to see some samples, go to this site http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nguy0505/Fractals.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Continuous color histrogram fractals. Date: 16 Aug 1998 20:29:01 -0600 Linda wrote: > Actually, discussions about other fractal programs come up periodically. > I don't think anyone minds! The charter for this list allows fractal-related discussion involving any program. We don't have to apologize for dominance of fractint talk, which is not always welcome elsewhere (understandably), but discussion related to other fractal programs is certainly welcome here. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) quickie pars Date: 16 Aug 1998 22:46:16 EDT Just a few images for your perusal. Just want to thank everyone involved for: alt-tabing into and out of windows without scambled soup display I can now use all the vesa modes on my computer (SF7 fantastic high resolution...need a bigger monitor) Has anyone had any problems with Fractint in win98? I loaded Fractint on my computer at work and all it does is abort and tell me I don't have enough memory! its a pentiumII 300mhz 64mb ram. I've tried in dos mode also and the same problem occurs (thank God for my travel laptop..just imagine work w/o Fractals). This could just be a intranet set up issue but I can't ask my ITM to reconfigure the computer for fractint. My big fear is; if I upgrade at home and I can't run fractint I'll loose my mind not to mention withdrawl pains. 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I loaded Fractint on my > computer at work and all it does is abort and tell me I don't have enough > memory! its a pentiumII 300mhz 64mb ram. I've tried in dos mode also and the > same problem occurs (thank God for my travel laptop..just imagine work w/o > Fractals). This could just be a intranet set up issue but I can't ask my ITM > to reconfigure the computer for fractint. My big fear is; if I upgrade at > home and I can't run fractint I'll loose my mind not to mention withdrawl > pains. > > <> I just installed win98 here at chez wizzle and have had no problems running fractint by starting right out with a dos prompt with win98 up and running. Angela Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry Bluestein Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95 Date: 17 Aug 1998 00:53:47 -0400 Fliguer, Miguel wrote: > > Turner Rentz[SMTP:treyr@atr.net] wrote : > > > >>>Fractint 19.6 DOS does not run under NT; I could only > >>>get it to draw in the background to disk. > > I got Fractint for DOS v19.6 happily running under NT 4.0 (on a HP > Vectra) > BTW, did anybody try to run Fractint for DOS on Alpha NT (with FX32) ? > > OK, here=B4s my first contribution to this list. A bit depressing... [snip] HOW!!! I have never heard of anyone who is able to get Fractint to run un= der NT4.0 , onscreen, at any res other than 320 or so. Certainly never 800x60= 0 or 1024x768. How did you accomplish this miracle? Will it color-cycle? May I kiss your feet? -- Barry Bluestein President - The Lapis Group Information Technology Consulting - Internet Strategic Planning 11629 Deborah DR, Potomac, MD 20854 301-299-0083 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95 Date: 17 Aug 1998 13:46:12 +0200 Barry wrote: >>>> HOW!!! I have never heard of anyone who is able to get Fractint to run under NT4.0 , onscreen, at any res other than 320 or so. Certainly never 800x600 or 1024x768. How did you accomplish this miracle? <<<< I'm afraid he never did - at any res > 360x480. WinNT doesn't support dos VESA modes. The effects of SDD under winNT can actually be quite weird... completely wrong card detection, from 50 to 12 modes, pallette screwing up, etc. Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) quickie pars Date: 17 Aug 1998 13:49:21 +0200 Rui wrote: >Just a few images for your perusal. >Just want to thank everyone involved for: > alt-tabing into and out of windows without scambled soup display > I can now use all the vesa modes on my computer (SF7 fantastic high >resolution...need a bigger monitor) SF7 (1024x768x256)a fantastic resolution?? Where have you been :-) >Has anyone had any problems with Fractint in win98? I loaded Fractint on my >computer at work and all it does is abort and tell me I don't have enough >memory! its a pentiumII 300mhz 64mb ram. I've tried in dos mode also and the >same problem occurs (thank God for my travel laptop..just imagine work w/o >Fractals). Guess Win98 screwed up your startup files. Loading too much stuff in low memory area. Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wdecker@csc.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Looking for a PAR parser Date: 17 Aug 1998 07:58:41 -0400 Thanks, Ken. I guess I'll have to warm up my search engine and go looking for PERL for Windows. Bill Decker > Whaddaya know, I found one. :-) > Following is a very crude PERL script (since I'm not a PERL expert) > that will take a list of .PAR files, and spit out the contents of > the individual pars like: > > jo_we_01.par,jowe0101,formula,_k.frm,wiltetrate,0/0/0/0/0/0 > > which is > > filename, par name, type, formula file, formula, params > > Those familiar with PERL could easily change the script to output > different fields, change the order, etc. > > I did not extensively test it, so I can't guarantee there won't be any > problems. It should run on a Win version of PERL, but I can't test that > option. All the rest of the standard disclaimers apply, use at your own > risk, unsupported, no implied or actual warranties, etc. > > If anyone decides to improve it, feel free to do so. Just please send > me a copy if you do. Other than that, have fun with it. I hope it can > be found useful. > > Ken... [snip PERL script] Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Pearson Subject: RE: (fractint) Batch Processing Date: 17 Aug 1998 15:40:58 +0200 >Does anyone know of a Win95 program that will reduce the size of jpg's >in a batch process? I want to be able to convert my pics to thumbnails >as quickly and easily as possible. Angela, depending on whether you really want JPGs you could think about doing this within fractint. The following worked for me: fractint filename=aug1601.gif viewwindows=yes savename=redtest1 batch=yes or viewwindows=5 for a specific reduction ratio or viewwindows=/0.75//100/0 for an exact thumbnail size (100 pixels wide, preserving 0.75 aspect ratio) These are perfect thumbnails and the great thing about this is it keeps the parameters in the same file so you don't have to worry about matching filenames to par entries to re-generate them. I haven't tested the following but something like this should allow you to reduce all images in a directory: for %g in (*.gif) do fractint filename=%g viewwindows=yes savename=%g overwrite=yes batch=yes You could copy the images to another directory, or include a path in the savename= (is this possible?) to avoid writing over the originals ... Joe Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) quickie pars Date: 17 Aug 1998 10:02:10 -0400 Rui, >> Spider_Vision { ; (c) R Parracho Aug 16, 1998 t=3D 0:00:53.50 66= mhz >> reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Drspf007.frm formulaname=3Dr= sp_7160 ^^^^^^^^ Could you please post the rsp_7160 formula? Thanks! Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95 Date: 17 Aug 1998 08:05:17 -0700 (PDT) > > > HOW!!! I have never heard of anyone who is able to get Fractint to run under > NT4.0 , onscreen, at any res other than 320 or so. Certainly never 800x600 > or 1024x768. I run it on NT, but only using the "Disk Video" modes. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) Looking for a PAR parser Date: 17 Aug 1998 08:18:18 -0700 (PDT) > > Thanks, Ken. I guess I'll have to warm up my search engine and go looking > for PERL for Windows. If you haven't found one already, check http://language.perl.com/index.html Select the Download Software link. On that page is a link to a Win version of PERL. I haven't tried PERL on Win95/NT for quite some time, but it shouldn't be too terribly difficult to get running. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Looking for a PAR parser Date: 17 Aug 1998 10:36:27 -0500 Bill, - Thanks, Ken. I guess I'll have to warm up my search engine and go looking - for PERL for Windows. http://www.activestate.com/ftp/Perl-Win32/Release/Pw32i312.exe Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) Batch Processing Date: 17 Aug 1998 14:49:30 EDT I recommend Thumbs Plus for doing this quickly and easilly. Select a number of files and it will batch process them including changing file format (if desired) and size. It lets you specify the jpg compression ratio you want the batch converted files to be too. Julian ~~~~~~~~~~~ Julian Adamaitis Fractelligent Designs visit "Julian's Fractal Page" http://members.aol.com/julianpa julianpa@aol.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul.N.Lee wrote: Angela Wilczynski wrote: > > Does anyone know of a Win95 program that will reduce the size of jpg's > in a batch process? I want to be able to convert my pics to thumbnails > as quickly and easily as possible. > > Currently I have PSP and Corel's Photopaint. > The same people that brought you PSP (JASC at http://www.jasc.com/ ) have a couple of items available at their website. Then there is "ThumbsPlus" by Cerious Software Inc., which may be found at http://www.cerious.com/ . And at least a half dozen others are available. P.N.L. ====================================================================== Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. ====================================================================== http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gilbert Donchez Subject: Re: (fractint) quickie pars Date: 17 Aug 1998 22:33:57 +0200 Rui, Quatar and Quatar_1 are my prefered. Regards Gilbert RParracho@aol.com a =E9crit: > Just a few images for your perusal. > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: (fractint) op center??? Date: 17 Aug 1998 14:45:44 -0700 Hey Dad where is that Movie "OP CENTER"? Jason Hill Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) Frm post (rsp_7160) Date: 17 Aug 1998 17:50:09 EDT Sorry I missed this one. Here it is: frm:rsp_7160{;rsp 15jul98 c=pixel,n=1,p=3.1415927 z=pixel: f=(1+cos( (2*z-1)*p/2/n)), g=-2*sin( (2*z-1)*p/2/n) z=z-f/g n=n+1 .0001<=|f|} Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) quickie pars win98 Date: 17 Aug 1998 18:08:45 EDT In a message dated 16-08-98 10:39:13 PM EST, wizzle@beachnet.com writes: > I just installed win98 here at chez wizzle and have had no problems > running fractint by starting right out with a dos prompt with win98 up > and running. > Thanks for the endorsement. I bought the win98 package and am going to upgrade. My system manager at work told me that the problem is a Netware configuration issue. He sat at my computer and voila' ; I now have Fractint at work, when I travel, and at home. regards, Rui Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) Fractal of the Week Date: 17 Aug 1998 18:54:41 -0400 Hi Everybody, I've just uploaded a new "Fractal of the Week" to my home page. Enjoy!= Cheers, - Sylvie E-mail: Sylvie_Gallet@CompuServe.com Visit my exhibit at Museum of Computer Art: http://www.dorsai.org/~moca/ My Fractal Galleries: http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/sylvie/gallet.html http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: (fractint) quickie pars Date: 17 Aug 1998 20:27:13 -0400 >Has anyone had any problems with Fractint in win98? I loaded Fractint on my >computer at work and all it does is abort and tell me I don't have enough >memory! its a pentiumII 300mhz 64mb ram. I've tried in dos mode also and the >same problem occurs (thank God for my travel laptop..just imagine work w/o >Fractals). This could just be a intranet set up issue but I can't ask my ITM >to reconfigure the computer for fractint. My big fear is; if I upgrade at >home and I can't run fractint I'll loose my mind not to mention withdrawl >pains. > I originally had some problems with text screen corruption using Fractint when I first installed Windows 98. It turned out to be a bug in the Microsoft-supplied drivers for my video adapter that were at fault. Reinstalling the win95 drivers fixed the problem, and Fractint now runs perfectly for me. The display card is a Diamond Stealth 3D 3000, which uses an S3 Virge/Vx chip. Phil D. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) Windows 98 problem... Date: 17 Aug 1998 20:27:29 EDT Hi Everybody, I need some help with a Windows 98 problem. If I leave my computer for awhile, either in Windows or DOS, the monitor screen goes black. If I hit escape a couple of times the screen returns to normal. Is there some way to correct this problem? TIA --Bob Carr-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Windows 98 problem... Date: 17 Aug 1998 19:36:20 -0500 Bob, Disable power saving. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Jakubowicz Subject: Re: (fractint) Windows 98 problem... Date: 17 Aug 1998 20:36:16 -0400 >I need some help with a Windows 98 problem. If I leave my computer for awhile, >either in Windows or DOS, the monitor screen goes black. If I hit escape a >couple of times the screen returns to normal. Is there some way to correct >this problem? Have you looked at your monitor's "power management" or "energy savings" setting under the screen saver tab for the monitor's settings? I believe the Windows 98 default is for 15 minutes; you can change it to never or 8 hours, or whatever you want, if that is indeed the problem. Hope this helps. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) light praise Date: 17 Aug 1998 20:43:48 EDT If you haven't looked at Kathy Roth's [ NUSNAPS] series of images you really have to. They're all extra sweet eye candy. And as artsy goes check out Gilbert Donchez' [L'OEUF]. I don't know french but the title has to be 'The Egg'. This reminds me of the pointillism branch of impressionism, esspecially of Matisse. Great Image! I'm not sure if higher resolutions do this image any good. best regards, Rui Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) Frm post (rsp_7160) Date: 17 Aug 1998 20:52:53 EDT I didn't recieve this so Ime posting it again > Sorry I missed this one. > Here it is: > frm:rsp_7160{;rsp 15jul98 c=pixel,n=1,p=3.1415927 z=pixel: f=(1+cos( (2*z-1)*p/2/n)), g=-2*sin( (2*z-1)*p/2/n) z=z-f/g n=n+1 .0001<=|f|} > > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: RE: (fractint) Batch Processing Date: 17 Aug 1998 18:00:32 -0700 At 03:40 PM 8/17/98 +0200, Joe Pearson wrote: >Angela, >depending on whether you really want JPGs you could think about doing >this within fractint. The following worked for me: >... After you gen these thumbnails in GIF format using this procedure, you can batch-convert them to JPEG with PSP (but you probably knew that already). Bud Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) light praise Date: 17 Aug 1998 21:24:17 -0400 Rui, >>If you haven't looked at Kathy Roth's [ NUSNAPS] series of images you really have to. They're all extra sweet eye candy. << I thought those were Jim Weaver's series. Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) light praise Date: 17 Aug 1998 20:31:03 -0700 --------------E78C28F7FDCD2277AC9EDFEF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I do like praise even if it is totally undeserved. Those weren'tmy images. I think this is happening because a lot more people are using Les St. Clair's monthly compilation with summer and the contest rather than putting the pars in with each letter. It makes it more important to put your name on the first line of the par so you know whose it is- it would be nice to get the palette maker on that line too. Rui, I've really liked a lot of your recent work especially "Cathedral Ceiling". > If you haven't looked at Kathy Roth's [ NUSNAPS] series of images you > .................. > I thought those were Jim Weaver's series. > --------------E78C28F7FDCD2277AC9EDFEF Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I do like praise even if it is totally undeserved.  Those weren'tmy images.  I think this is happening because a lot more people
are using Les St. Clair's monthly compilation with summer and
the contest rather than putting the pars in with each letter.  It
makes it more important to put your name on the first line of
the par so you know whose it is- it would be nice to get the
palette maker on that line too.
      Rui, I've really liked a lot of your recent work especially
"Cathedral Ceiling". 
If you haven't looked at Kathy Roth's [ NUSNAPS] series of images you
.................. 
I thought those were Jim Weaver's series.
  --------------E78C28F7FDCD2277AC9EDFEF-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) light praise Date: 18 Aug 1998 00:15:36 EDT > I thought those were Jim Weaver's series. My mistake; I inadvertantly just read the "map by" line... So Jim every thing I said about the [nusnaps] series still stands. I make it a point to make at least one mistake on every post or it seems I do. Best regards Rui Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) light praise Date: 18 Aug 1998 05:19:08 EDT Thanks Rui! I still feel like an amateur when it comes to fractals though. Maybe because I'm using a Pentium75 with only a 1/2 Gig drive, and I'm down to 10 Megs of space again! :( I have to erase files weekly just so I can make more art. Thank God(Fractint) for the option to parametize!! Oh, well....one of these days I'll get up to speed along with the rest of the list. I started with a 33mhz and 40Mb drive making fractals using 300x200 resolution 2 yrs ago, and I'm sure everyone knows how slow and unsightly those were. I can only imagine how fast a P-266 or better can draw fractals. Ok, enough whining/dreaming from me. Lets get some more pars on the list everybody!! Jim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Pearson Subject: RE: (fractint) light praise Date: 18 Aug 1998 14:01:55 +0200 > Thanks Rui! I still feel like an amateur when it comes to fractals though. >Maybe because I'm using a Pentium75 with only a 1/2 Gig drive, and I'm down >to >10 Megs of space again! Jim, for some reason my 800MB drive also has only 10M of space left ... soon my company will ask me why I need 300MB of storage for backups on the server! My 486/75 is pretty slow too. I'm looking forward to be able to afford to upgrade. Your par "all that glitters" posted a few days ago looked strangely familiar - in fact you posted the same thing as "window12" in June! This image is very good - and it really benefits from anti-aliasing. Joe Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fliguer, Miguel" Subject: RE: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95 Date: 18 Aug 1998 09:50:11 -0300 > Barry Bluestein[SMTP:barryblue@mindspring.com] wrote : > >>>HOW!!! I have never heard of anyone who is able to get Fractint to run under >>>NT4.0 , onscreen, at any res other than 320 or so. Certainly never 800x600 >>>or 1024x768. >>> >>>How did you accomplish this miracle? I just installed it and got it working, no tweaking was necessary. Probably it has something to do with the fact that my NT is not a clean install, but an upgrade from a previous WFW 3.11 installation. Hey, I never said I got 1024x768, the best I can get is SF5 (640x480). >>>Will it color-cycle? Yup. >>>May I kiss your feet? No, but you can smell my armpit...;-) 'bye ----- Miguel Fliguer - Buenos Aires, Argentina Check the Source of All Ponchos, an argentine tribute to Frank Zappa http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/7248 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) Windows 98 problem... Date: 18 Aug 1998 08:48:45 EDT Thanks to all for the help with my monitor going off. The problem has been resolved. --Bob Carr-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 20 pars(misc.) Date: 18 Aug 1998 08:52:40 EDT Here's an assortment of pars for everyone to view. The last par should be cycled back and forth just slightly to get the full effect. Enjoy~ Jim ****************************************************************************** ******* 608nmp01 { ; image(c) JimWeaver 8/18/98 T=0:00:19.28 P-75 800x600 ; jacco192.map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=gallet-6-08 function=conj/cos/tan passes=t center-mag=0.0189174/0.0189174/0.8299348/1/44.999 params=2.5/0.1/0/4.7/1.125/25 float=y maxiter=255 potential=255/255/0 periodicity=0 colors=zzzIBJ<10>WKZXL_XLawvx<7>TObPJ_NIXLGTJEQGCM<10>424212212<7>212212\ 000101321<17>UJDWKEYLFZMG`NIaPJ<6>lZV<20>000<25>QKHRLISMJUNKWOLXQM<2>bTQ\ cVReWSfXUfYV<3>hbbhcdhbc<2>h_ZhZXgYVfXT<24>011123314<18>MEaNEbOFdPFeQGg<\ 4>VOiXQjWPj<3>SJiRHhQGf<23>212000101<11>HAI } 608nmp02 { ; image(c) JimWeaver 8/18/98 T=0:00:33.89 P-75 800x600 ; jacco192.map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=gallet-6-08 function=conj/cos/tan passes=t center-mag=0.011722/0.011722/0.378739/1/44.999 params=1.2/0.8/0/1.6/3/25 float=y maxiter=255 potential=255/255/0 periodicity=0 colors=zzzB7C<15>WKZXL_XLawvx<7>TObPJ_NIXLGTJEQGCM<10>424212212<7>212212\ 000101321<17>UJDWKEYLFZMG`NIaPJ<6>lZV<20>000<25>QKHRLISMJUNKWOLXQM<2>bTQ\ cVReWSfXUfYV<3>hbbhcdhbc<2>h_ZhZXgYVfXT<24>011123314<18>MEaNEbOFdPFeQGg<\ 4>VOiXQjWPj<3>SJiRHhQGf<23>212000101<6>A6B } 608nmp03 { ; 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image(c) JimWeaver 8/18/98 T=0:01:10.42 P-75 800x600 ; jacco212.map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=Jm_04 function=conj/recip/log/tan passes=t center-mag=0.310368/-1.06581e-014/0.078125/1/-90 params=100/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 colors=`SH704<2>601510611<13>RBFSCGUDHVEIWFIXHJ<25>xkTzmUylU<2>viRugQsfQ\ qdP<5>dVJbUIZRG<15>000<25>dXSfZUf_V<21>trqusrvut<2>yxxzzzzyz<5>vsvurutpt\ sosrmrpkq<2>qmsrnsrnsrossot<13>yyyzzzyyy<16>eThdRgcQgbPf<12>TAYS8XS8X<24\ >739628628628<13>617617706705705 } jm04n006 { ; image(c) JimWeaver 8/18/98 T=0:01:07.61 P-75 800x600 ; jacco212.map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=Jm_04 function=conj/recip/log/tanh passes=t center-mag=2.53645/-1.42109e-014/0.1097261/1/-90 params=100/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 colors=`SH976<19>dXSfZUf_V<21>trqusrvut<2>yxxzzzzyz<5>vsvurutptsosrmrpkq\ <2>qmsrnsrnsrossot<13>yyyzzzyyy<16>eThdRgcQgbPf<12>TAYS8XS8X<24>73962862\ 8628<13>617617706705<4>601510611<13>RBFSCGUDHVEIWFIXHJ<25>xkTzmUylU<2>vi\ RugQsfQqdP<5>dVJbUIZRG<15>000<4>765 } jm04n007 { ; image(c) JimWeaver 8/18/98 T=0:01:09.32 P-75 800x600 ; jacco212.map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=Jm_04 function=conj/recip/log/cotan passes=t center-mag=0.0535117/-1.24345e-014/0.09126752/1/-90 params=100/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 colors=`SH433<22>dXSfZUf_V<21>trqusrvut<2>yxxzzzzyz<5>vsvurutptsosrmrpkq\ <2>qmsrnsrnsrossot<13>yyyzzzyyy<16>eThdRgcQgbPf<12>TAYS8XS8X<24>73962862\ 8628<13>617617706705<4>601510611<13>RBFSCGUDHVEIWFIXHJ<25>xkTzmUylU<2>vi\ RugQsfQqdP<5>dVJbUIZRG<15>000111322 } jm04n008 { ; image(c) JimWeaver 8/18/98 T=0:01:39.09 P-75 800x600 ; jacco212.map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=Jm_04 function=conj/recip/log/cotanh passes=t center-mag=2.47207/-1.59872e-014/0.1220154/1/-90 params=100/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 colors=`SH654<21>dXSfZUf_V<21>trqusrvut<2>yxxzzzzyz<5>vsvurutptsosrmrpkq\ <2>qmsrnsrnsrossot<13>yyyzzzyyy<16>eThdRgcQgbPf<12>TAYS8XS8X<24>73962862\ 8628<13>617617706705<4>601510611<13>RBFSCGUDHVEIWFIXHJ<25>xkTzmUylU<2>vi\ RugQsfQqdP<5>dVJbUIZRG<15>000<2>433 } jm04n008zm { ; image(c) JimWeaver 8/18/98 T=0:02:44.45 P-75 800x600 ; jacco212.map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=Jm_04 function=conj/recip/log/cotanh passes=t center-mag=0.00107849/8.98136/1.744178/1/-90 params=100/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 colors=`SH654<21>dXSfZUf_V<21>trqusrvut<2>yxxzzzzyz<5>vsvurutptsosrmrpkq\ <2>qmsrnsrnsrossot<13>yyyzzzyyy<16>eThdRgcQgbPf<12>TAYS8XS8X<24>73962862\ 8628<13>617617706705<4>601510611<13>RBFSCGUDHVEIWFIXHJ<25>xkTzmUylU<2>vi\ RugQsfQqdP<5>dVJbUIZRG<15>000<2>433 } watanass { ; image(c) JimWeaver 8/18/98 T=0:00:36.41 P-75 800x600 ; reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=mongo.frm formulaname=mongo-12 function=recip/ident passes=b center-mag=-1.18143/2.22045e-015/0.6048387/1/90 params=1/0/2/0 float=y bailout=4 decomp=128 colors=000<24>ZWK_XLaXL<4>maP<2>g`Oe_NcZN`YM_XL<21>553332221000011<23>Hb\ UIdVKeV<4>VlZ<3>NhXLgXJeWIcV<21>254243122000111223<20>QTbRVcSWeUXfVYf<4>\ dch<2>``hZ_hXZhVYgTXf<24>110<20>aMEbNEdOFePFgQG<4>iVOjXQjWP<3>iSJhRHfQG<\ 24>000 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fliguer, Miguel" Subject: RE: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95 Date: 18 Aug 1998 10:02:56 -0300 > Dean-Christian Strik[SMTP:cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl] boldly wrote : > >>>I'm afraid he never did - at any res > 360x480. WinNT doesn't support dos VESA >>>modes. I read aloud your statement in front of my 640x480 Fractint screen (on a Vectra w/ WNT 4.0), and it's still working... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95 Date: 18 Aug 1998 20:39:44 +0200 Miguel wrote >> Dean-Christian Strik[SMTP:cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl] boldly wrote : >> > >>>I'm afraid he never did - at any res > 360x480. WinNT doesn't >support dos VESA > >>>modes. > >I read aloud your statement in front of my 640x480 Fractint screen (on a >Vectra w/ WNT 4.0), >and it's still working... Huh? It worked at that res? Using SF5 as you wrote... I'm stunned... I've used NT for quite a while -- dumped it maybe a month or so ago in favor of win98 -- and never got any vesa mode to work (both in- and outside fractint). I took a quick look at the NT 4.0WS Resource Kit a few mins ago and didn't find anything on vesa. But my search wasn't quite thorough :-). A friend of mine told me he'd try to find it out. I would find it strange if the vesa dos modes actually didn't work unless there's been an 'unclean' installation. But strange things happen... Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) light praise Date: 18 Aug 1998 08:34:22 EDT Joe, I see I'm not the only one with this problem of slowness and minimal drive space. But it's still the most satisfying thing to me......watching fractals appear on my screen. Also, I had forgotten that *All That Glitters* was posted to the list already as *Window12*. Since I started using an ISP, AOL doesn't want to work right when I sign on with screen name and password like normal. The only way I can use it, is to sign on as a guest, and by doing that....it won't let me have access to my personal filing cabinet, which was how I kept track of mail I sent. Please forgive any duplications in the past....and in the future. :) Jim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fliguer, Miguel" Subject: RE: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95 Date: 18 Aug 1998 16:14:22 -0300 FWIW, the system where i got Fractint running on NT4 at 640x480 is a HP Vectra VE, and it has an integrated video controller, reported by the control panel as SiS 6205 from SiS Corporation, with 1 MB of video memory. When using NT, I set it on 1024x768x256. I just set up a shortcut to FRACTINT.EXE and voila ! ----- Miguel Fliguer - Buenos Aires, Argentina Check the Source of All Ponchos, an argentine tribute to Frank Zappa http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/7248 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) 20 pars(misc.) Date: 18 Aug 1998 16:01:22 -0400 Hi Jim, >> Here's an assortment of pars for everyone to view. Very nice images, especially the jm04n series. >> watanass = AGREED!!!! Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) light praise Date: 18 Aug 1998 16:36:10 EDT In a message dated 8/18/98 4:54:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, JimBeau549@aol.com writes: > I started > with a 33mhz and 40Mb drive making fractals using 300x200 resolution And so did I, but I had only a 16-color card, and Winfract. Ouchie! First thing I did was buy a Trident color card...... Dama Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95 Date: 19 Aug 1998 00:47:45 +0200 >FWIW, the system where i got Fractint running on NT4 >at 640x480 is a HP Vectra VE, and it has an integrated >video controller, reported by the control panel as SiS 6205 >from SiS Corporation, with 1 MB of video memory. > >When using NT, I set it on 1024x768x256. I just set up a >shortcut to FRACTINT.EXE and voila ! No results yet on how it could work -- and I'm afraid I won't get any :-(. Eeks! Integrated SiS 6205. D'you also have your video memory placed in the 14/15-16M memory hole? This is not unusual for these systems. I knew a system, an IBM Aptiva something, with Mwave (beuh...) and also integrated SiS 6205. It snooped my real memory for video purposes. At that system, the video mem could also be set to two MB. If you have this possibility, it may well be useful (of course if you're willing to sacrifice another meg of ram :) ). It should at least make higher res/color depth possible. Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95 Date: 19 Aug 1998 00:51:42 +0200 I just wrote: [snippy-snippy-snip] >No results yet on how it could work -- and I'm afraid I won't get any :-(. > >Eeks! Integrated SiS 6205. D'you also have your video memory placed in the ... [snip-snip-snip-snip-snip-snip-snip-... oops! almost snipped carrier :) ] Sorry. The message was intended to be sent to Miguel only, not to the list. Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 22 more pars (jm03&jm04) Date: 18 Aug 1998 22:19:04 EDT Here's more eye-candy! 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Enjoy~ Jim ****************************************************************************** *********** jm06n001 { ; image(c) JimWeaver 8/19/98 T=0:01:16.90 P-75 800x600 ; jacco212.map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=Jm_06 function=log/acosh/cosxx passes=t center-mag=-1.80602/-6.21725e-015/0.1879699/1/-90 params=100/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=epsiloncross potential=255/255/0 colors=000L0C<20>407603602601510<48>uiRwjSviR<26>SD4QB3RC4<18>aTNbUOcWQ<\ 13>wwuyyxyyx<30>yyxnof<18>2B53B64B7<32>pbNqcNseO<23>N2D } jm06n002 { ; image(c) JimWeaver 8/19/98 T=0:01:23.32 P-75 800x600 ; jacco212.map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=Jm_06 function=recip/acosh/cosxx passes=t center-mag=-0.0211501/-5.77316e-015/0.4027062/1/-90 params=100/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=epsiloncross potential=255/255/0 colors=000T9F<3>N2DL0CK0C<19>407603602601510<48>uiRwjSviR<26>SD4QB3RC4<1\ 8>aTNbUOcWQ<13>wwuyyxyyx<30>yyxnof<18>2B53B64B7<32>pbNqcNseO<18>UBF } jm06n003 { ; image(c) JimWeaver 8/19/98 T=0:01:03.39 P-75 800x600 ; jacco212.map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=Jm_06 function=cotan/acosh/cosxx passes=t center-mag=-0.538097/-3.55271e-015/0.3164557/1/-90 params=100/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=epsiloncross potential=255/255/0 colors=000C09<9>407603602601510<48>uiRwjSviR<26>SD4QB3RC4<18>aTNbUOcWQ<1\ 3>wwuyyxyyx<30>yyxnof<18>2B53B64B7<32>pbNqcNseO<23>N2DL0CK0C<8>D09 } jm06n004 { ; image(c) JimWeaver 8/19/98 T=0:00:39.99 P-75 800x600 ; jacco212.map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=Jm_06 function=cotanh/acosh/cosxx passes=t center-mag=-0.778595/-2.22045e-015/0.3571429/1/-90 params=100/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=epsiloncross potential=255/255/0 colors=000FMF<4>2B53B64B7<32>pbNqcNseO<23>N2DL0CK0C<19>407603602601510<4\ 8>uiRwjSviR<26>SD4QB3RC4<18>aTNbUOcWQ<13>wwuyyxyyx<30>yyxnof<12>IOH } jm06n005 { ; image(c) JimWeaver 8/19/98 T=0:00:27.79 P-75 800x600 ; jacco212.map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=Jm_06 function=exp/acosh/cosxx passes=t center-mag=-0.401338/-6.21725e-015/0.1879699/1/-90 params=100/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=epsiloncross potential=255/255/0 colors=000D84<40>uiRwjSviR<26>SD4QB3RC4<18>aTNbUOcWQ<13>wwuyyxyyx<30>yyx\ nof<18>2B53B64B7<32>pbNqcNseO<23>N2DL0CK0C<19>407603602601510<6>C73 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) Need e-mail address for JaccoBurger Date: 19 Aug 1998 04:09:15 EDT Does anyone know Jacco Burgers' e-mail address? I want to thank him for the colormaps I've been using recently. I can be reached at my e-mail address directly or through the list. Thanks in advance~ Jim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Need e-mail address for JaccoBurger Date: 19 Aug 1998 11:16:07 +0200 Jim wrote: > Does anyone know Jacco Burgers' e-mail address? I want to thank him for the >colormaps I've been using recently. I can be reached at my e-mail address >directly or through the list. Thanks in advance~ Sure. It's Jacco.Burger@kabelfoon.nl Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) Need e-mail address for JaccoBurger Date: 19 Aug 1998 05:21:53 EDT Thank you Christian. I appreciate the help! Take care~ Jim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) 5 pars (jm06) Date: 19 Aug 1998 06:58:21 -0500 JimBeau549@aol.com wrote: > > Gee this is fun....I'm having a blast!! Enjoy~ > I think you've set a new record. Posting 47 PARs in under twenty hours!!! Now to see if I've got the time to view everything. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) 5 pars (jm06) Date: 19 Aug 1998 08:21:04 EDT Lee, I hope 47 pars in under 24 hrs isn't too many for the list. I'll slack up a little. :( Actually, they may take longer to view than it takes to draw them. If a fractal's gonna take longer than 10 mins, it usually doesn't get a chance to finish drawing around here. I guess I'm just too impatient. Take care~ Jim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) 5 pars (jm06) Date: 19 Aug 1998 12:27:50 EDT You know, I would love it if you could send me your .par files as an attached file (the way you did with the Opinion images and a couple other batches). When I copy them from e-mail something happens in the translation -- makes me crazy -- I have to go in and edit them, not always successfully, to have them work in Fractint. Dama Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) 5 pars (jm06) Date: 19 Aug 1998 12:53:47 EDT Uh-oh! List, I'm sorry. I intended this to go personally to James Weaver. However, if anyone has a fix-it for the problem I described in the post, please let me know. I'm tired of not being able to use .par files..... Dama Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) getting pars to fractint Date: 19 Aug 1998 11:24:36 -0700 --------------B6CA9D90BCAE1D1B7E65E03D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dama wrote > However, if anyone has a fix-it for the problem I described in the post, > please let me know. I'm tired of not being able to use .par files..... > There are a variety of things that can go wrong in the par files. I struggled with this for several months last year and saved most of the posts about it, so I can send them to anyone who wants them. Here are most of the problems: 1) lines cut in wrong place- check that there is a \ at the end of a line that breaks a color map etc. If the line is complete e.g. "passes=1" you don't need the \. 2) There should not be double spaces in the par or frm. 3) In the color maps there are runs like "aaaaaakkkkkkk" The line break with the \ should not come in the middle of the . 4) There was a problem with =3D that does not affect Jim's or other recent posts. 5) I have been using PFE, programmer's file editor which works great for this. You just save it as whatever.par or whatever.frm. I think if you are using wordpad you have to save it as "whatever.par". 6) Are you sure you have the formula for the par in question? E-mail me if you want the collection of posts but it's kind of long. --------------B6CA9D90BCAE1D1B7E65E03D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dama wrote 
However, if anyone has a fix-it for the problem I described in the post,
please let me know. I'm tired of not being able to use .par files.....

There are a variety of things that can go wrong
in the par files.  I struggled with this for several
months last year and saved most of the posts
about it, so I can send them to anyone who
wants them.  Here are most of the problems:

1) lines cut in wrong place- check that there
is a \ at the end of a line that breaks a color map
etc.  If the line is complete e.g. "passes=1"
you don't need the \.

2) There should not be double spaces in the
par or frm.

3) In the color maps there are runs like
"aaaaaa<ggg>kkkkkkk"  The line break
with the \ should not come in the middle
of the <ggg>.

4) There was a problem with =3D
that does not affect Jim's or other recent
posts.

5) I have been using PFE, programmer's
file editor which works great for this.  You
just save it as whatever.par or whatever.frm.
I think if you are using wordpad you have to
save it as "whatever.par".

6) Are you sure you have the formula for
the par in question?

E-mail me if you want the collection of posts
but it's kind of long. --------------B6CA9D90BCAE1D1B7E65E03D-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) 5 pars (jm06) Date: 20 Aug 1998 08:37:51 +1200 At 06:58 19/08/98 -0500, you wrote: >JimBeau549@aol.com wrote: >> >> Gee this is fun....I'm having a blast!! Enjoy~ >> > >I think you've set a new record. > >Posting 47 PARs in under twenty hours!!! > Indeed; I was starting to suspect we have an artistic AI subscribed to thekind of list :-) No offence intended. Morgan Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) getting pars to fractint Date: 19 Aug 1998 16:53:45 EDT I think I have the same problem as Dama but I think it has something to do with AOL's mail. If anyone finds out what to do about this let me know too Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Faye Williams" Subject: (fractint) web page Date: 19 Aug 1998 15:10:15 -0700 I finally have a web page. Please visit and let me know what you think. Comments good or bad - are welcome. http://www.sb.net/arkangel/ Faye Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) getting pars to fractint Date: 19 Aug 1998 19:08:08 EDT >I think I have the same problem as Dama but I think it has something to do >with AOL's mail. If anyone finds out what to do about this let me know too crazym69, I had a lot of problems of this sort but not anymore. All I do is maximize (this I think puts all the line ending where there supposed to be instead of line wrapping) my mail read window then cut and paste into a notepad/wordpad document thats open. For some reason when you save your posted mail straight to a file, depending on what your preferences are it may put lots of junk into your par file. I hope this easy fix works for you. Rui Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) web page Date: 19 Aug 1998 19:16:33 EDT In a message dated 19-08-98 5:14:23 PM EST, arkangel@sb.net writes: > I finally have a web page. Please visit and let me know what you think. > Comments good or bad - are welcome. > > http://www.sb.net/arkangel/ > > Faye > Nice Image on your home page. Loaded fast. I really liked the voting in your gallery page. Ecellent touch! I didn't see where to download any of you images... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) web page Date: 19 Aug 1998 16:29:27 -0700 (PDT) > > I finally have a web page. Please visit and let me know what you think. > Comments good or bad - are welcome. > > http://www.sb.net/arkangel/ I cannot see any images. I'm running Netscape 4.0 on NT 4.0. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry Bluestein Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95 Date: 19 Aug 1998 19:35:34 -0400 Dean-Christian Strik wrote: > I just wrote: > > [snippy-snippy-snip] > > >No results yet on how it could work -- and I'm afraid I won't get any :-(. > > > >Eeks! Integrated SiS 6205. D'you also have your video memory placed in the > ... [snip-snip-snip-snip-snip-snip-snip-... oops! almost snipped carrier :) ] > > Sorry. The message was intended to be sent to Miguel only, not to the list. > > Christian No problem D-C. I'm still trying to figure out Fliguer. I wonder if the former WFW311 install has an effect on this? Could Miguel's system be exiting out to true DOS? I certainly don't see how his video h/w sub-system (ancient or otherwise) could be involved. -- Barry Bluestein President - The Lapis Group Information Technology Consulting - Internet Strategic Planning 11629 Deborah DR, Potomac, MD 20854 301-299-0083 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Art Baker" Subject: RE: (fractint) web page Date: 19 Aug 1998 16:49:34 -0700 Hi Ken: Looks great I like it! Art > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ken Childress > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 4:29 PM > To: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (fractint) web page > > > > > > I finally have a web page. Please visit and let me know what > you think. > > Comments good or bad - are welcome. > > > > http://www.sb.net/arkangel/ > > > I cannot see any images. I'm running Netscape 4.0 on NT 4.0. > > > Ken... > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) web page Date: 19 Aug 1998 18:09:50 -0700 Faye Williams wrote: > > I finally have a web page. Please visit and let me know what you think. > Comments good or bad - are welcome. > > http://www.sb.net/arkangel/ > > Faye Faye... I can't see any of the thumbnails either. When I look at your html code it see backslashes rather than foreslashes.....you might have a relative versus absolute reference problem. Also, although the link from the thumbnail seems to go properly to a page, the larger image is also missing. Angela Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul DeCelle Subject: (fractint) First Posting Date: 19 Aug 1998 22:02:47 -0400 This is my 1st posting - I've been enjoying the dialogue and all the new PARS for the past few days. Picked up a couple Fractint tips, too; I only wish I'd subscribed sooner.. I too, have a Fractint site at http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cafe/3905/welcome.html Any feedback/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.. I'm still sorting out the best way to set things up to keep download times reasonable. So far, having seperate pages with up to ten or so thumbnails on each seems to work out best. Please bear with the pop-up adverts - It's the price you pay for 11 megs of free server space Regards, Paul DeCelle Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Art Baker" Subject: RE: (fractint) First Posting Date: 19 Aug 1998 20:04:33 -0700 Hi Paul: Nice site. I like it Art Baker http://fractal.cc > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Paul DeCelle > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 7:03 PM > To: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (fractint) First Posting > > > This is my 1st posting - I've been enjoying the dialogue and all the new > PARS for the past few days. Picked up a couple Fractint tips, too; I > only wish I'd subscribed sooner.. > > I too, have a Fractint site at > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cafe/3905/welcome.html > > Any feedback/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.. > > I'm still sorting out the best way to set things up to keep download > times reasonable. So far, having seperate pages with up to ten or so > thumbnails on each seems to work out best. > > Please bear with the pop-up adverts - It's the price you pay for 11 megs > of free server space > > Regards, > Paul DeCelle > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Gilman Subject: Re: (fractint) First Posting Date: 19 Aug 1998 19:54:44 -0700 >This is my 1st posting - I've been enjoying the dialogue and all the new >PARS for the past few days. Picked up a couple Fractint tips, too; I >only wish I'd subscribed sooner.. > >I too, have a Fractint site at >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cafe/3905/welcome.html > >Any feedback/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.. > >I'm still sorting out the best way to set things up to keep download >times reasonable. So far, having seperate pages with up to ten or so >thumbnails on each seems to work out best. > >Please bear with the pop-up adverts - It's the price you pay for 11 megs >of free server space > >Regards, >Paul DeCelle excellent! I especially enjoyed "pinwheel2" from the M-sets... Devil's haircut & Black Hole do me good! Fire Down Below is just too great... that's my all-time favorite... Thanks for the images... One thing though, the first "Edge Fractal" on your pages doesn't seem to load. I'm using Navigator 4.0.5 on my Mac (I'm doing the Mac port of fractint). Thanks again for the neat eye-candy... -= tim "There is no truth, in which passing through awareness, does not lie. Yet we chase after it all the same." - J. Lacan Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 8 pars(various) Date: 19 Aug 1998 23:29:04 EDT Here's a few more to view. 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Date: 19 Aug 1998 23:45:18 -0400 Hello all, I've recently acquired a powerful new computer and of course Fractint was one of my first transfers from my old computer. Now that I am not bound by limited colours I have noticed there are some video modes described as VESA TrueColor 24 bit, I tried rendering Maderblot with this but got only the faintest blue in the light regions. I'm hoping there is some way to have an equivalent of the 256 colour map but even if I could simply have al the colours run through by the '+' key it would be great. Anyone know how to actually use these TrueColor modes? Thanks Mark Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) getting pars to fractint Date: 20 Aug 1998 00:56:56 EDT Hi Kathy! I think your post is the answer - the first two suggestions are going to do it. Thank you! Dama Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nigel H. J. Long" Subject: Re: (fractint) 5 pars (jm06) Date: 20 Aug 1998 08:19:15 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Can't overload me! I have just set up a 2nd PC ('Laurel') doing nothing all day but batch process PARs! Last sunday it cooked 1200 images at 320x200. Simple job to scan the results to decide which to keep and enlarge to 1024x768. The 'big iron' ('Hardy)' then spent a merry couple of hours doing the final good images, without using too much time away from 'real work'. Nigel ('laziest man alive') Long. On Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:21:04 EDT JimBeau549@aol.com wrote: > > Lee, > > I hope 47 pars in under 24 hrs isn't too many for the list. I'll slack up a > little. :( Actually, they may take longer to view than it takes to draw them. > If a fractal's gonna take longer than 10 mins, it usually doesn't get a chance > to finish drawing around here. I guess I'm just too impatient. > Take care~ > > Jim > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ---------------------- Nigel H. J. Long n.h.long@soton.ac.uk Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) only 10 pars (Jm_03) Date: 20 Aug 1998 03:41:37 EDT I'm too sleepy to make any more tonight! ZZzzzzz....g'nite. 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Wow!! But how do I get it to drive my Epson Stylus Color 600 printer? At present, it just prints spaced-out lines, no color, and the occasional line of alpha garbage. One Mandelbrot is the right width but stretches out over two sheets of paper. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) newbie driving printer Date: 20 Aug 1998 02:47:56 -0700 --------------C8EC6A09B150E828632970A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank wrote: > Wow!! But how do I get it to drive my Epson Stylus Color 600 > Hi. You use a graphics program, open the file and then choose print. PaintShopPro is good and inexpensive and you can download it as shareware and use it for 30 days for free. I don't have the URL but I think it is easy to get as a search for PaintShopPro or Jasc software. Phone is 612-930-9171. ( I think this is known as the partially sighted leading the partially sighted.) --------------C8EC6A09B150E828632970A6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank wrote: 

Wow!!  But how do I get it to drive my Epson Stylus Color 600
 

Hi.  You use a graphics program, open the file
and then choose print.  PaintShopPro is good
and inexpensive and you can download it as
shareware and use it for 30 days for free.  I
don't have the URL but I think it is easy to get as a
search for PaintShopPro or Jasc software.   Phone is
612-930-9171.   ( I think this is known as the partially
sighted leading the partially sighted.)
 
  --------------C8EC6A09B150E828632970A6-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Elaina Subject: Re: (fractint) First Posting Date: 20 Aug 1998 05:04:03 -0500 Paul DeCelle wrote: > > This is my 1st posting - I've been enjoying the dialogue and all the new > PARS for the past few days. Picked up a couple Fractint tips, too; I > only wish I'd subscribed sooner.. > Glad you're here. > I too, have a Fractint site at > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cafe/3905/welcome.html > > Any feedback/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.. > Pretty stuff. Keep it up. > I'm still sorting out the best way to set things up to keep download > times reasonable. So far, having seperate pages with up to ten or so > thumbnails on each seems to work out best. > > Please bear with the pop-up adverts - It's the price you pay for 11 megs > of free server space > I'm answering to the list because this is a broad request to anyone on geocities. Please stop the pop-ups. They don't care how much resource I have on my machine to spare when they throw one of those at me. I've had HUGE javascripts come in those pup-ups. At least the geoguide are size controlled at the moment. My mother's barely pentium can take 30 seconds or more to load the watermark, 30 seconds for each pop-up. Mothers copy of IE is more susceptible to death by pop-up than her netscape. Your home page had 2 pop-ups. Check to see that an old copy of the pop-up code at the bottum isn't still there when uploading changes. Even leaving a pop-up in the background un-minimized won't keep a new one from opening if there is an extra chunk of code. I don't think they plan to fix anything wrong with the pop-ups. I bet they're paid by the number of pages with geoguides/banners on them. For surfers. Turn off javascript when wandering around geocities and bye-bye watermark. Juice --have fun --harm none http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/1159 http://web2.airmail.net/ebt Thinking corrupts the mind. Efforts like the web never finish. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) beyond 256 with Fractint? Date: 20 Aug 1998 12:22:56 +0200 Mark Crowley wrote: >Hello all, > I've recently acquired a powerful new computer and of course >Fractint was one of my first transfers from my old computer. Now that I >am not bound by limited colours I have noticed there are some video >modes described as VESA TrueColor 24 bit, I tried rendering Maderblot >with this but got only the faintest blue in the light regions. I'm >hoping there is some way to have an equivalent of the 256 colour map but >even if I could simply have al the colours run through by the '+' key it >would be great. Anyone know how to actually use these TrueColor modes? > >Thanks >Mark I'm sorry to say you'll have to wait until the release of fractint v20 to enjoy true color modes. I you want to create truecolor fractals before then, you could best go for programs like Tierrazon (probably the second program by members of this list) or UltraFractal. Both work with your win9x. Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) First Posting Date: 20 Aug 1998 12:37:53 +0200 Elaina wrote: >I'm answering to the list because this is a broad request to anyone on >geocities. Please stop the pop-ups. They don't care how much resource I >have on my machine to spare when they throw one of those at me. I've had >HUGE javascripts come in those pup-ups. At least the geoguide are size >controlled at the moment. My mother's barely pentium can take 30 seconds >or more to load the watermark, 30 seconds for each pop-up. Mothers copy >of IE is more susceptible to death by pop-up than her netscape. Are you kidding?? Do you really think we WANT those annoying pop-ups? It's not even up to us. We give the HTML source and then GEOCITIES itself adds the popup and watermark ("geomark") code. And you're mother's "barely pentium" is pretty superior to a lot of other systems used. Sorry for my negative tone, but your mail agitated me. Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Diosnel Herrnsdorf Subject: Re: (fractint) web page Date: 20 Aug 1998 08:31:50 -0400 Hi. I found Faye's page very good. At least, I was able to see almost all images. There seems to be some lost links (or files). However, I think it can be solve without major complications. Regards, Diosnel Angela Wilczynski wrote: > Faye Williams wrote: > > > > I finally have a web page. Please visit and let me know what you think. > > Comments good or bad - are welcome. > > > > http://www.sb.net/arkangel/ > > > > Faye > > Faye... > > I can't see any of the thumbnails either. When I look at your html code > it see backslashes rather than foreslashes.....you might have a relative > versus absolute reference problem. Also, although the link from the > thumbnail seems to go properly to a page, the larger image is also > missing. > > Angela > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Faye Williams" Subject: Re: (fractint) web page Date: 20 Aug 1998 07:33:37 -0700 After some adjustments, Netscape now works but it doesn't center. I don't know why. There's only 2 people who had problems and both are using Netscape. Who knows? Anyway it works - kind of. Faye arkangel@sb.net http://www.sb.net/arkangel/ -----Original Message----- >> >> I finally have a web page. Please visit and let me know what you think. >> Comments good or bad - are welcome. >> >> http://www.sb.net/arkangel/ > > >I cannot see any images. I'm running Netscape 4.0 on NT 4.0. > > >Ken... > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Barnett Subject: RE: (fractint) web page Date: 20 Aug 1998 08:26:26 -0400 Faye, I enjoyed visiting your page. Rather dark themes though -- is that why you are arkangel? :-) Ron Barnett http://members.aol.com/RBarn0001 -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 6:10 PM I finally have a web page. Please visit and let me know what you think. Comments good or bad - are welcome. http://www.sb.net/arkangel/ Faye Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) web page Date: 20 Aug 1998 08:33:29 -0700 (PDT) > > After some adjustments, Netscape now works but it doesn't center. I don't > know why. There's > only 2 people who had problems and both are using Netscape. Who knows? > Anyway it works - kind of. Much better. However, Lava Flow on the Tierazon doesn't load. Also, the midi control box on the main page is truncated. I didn't have any problem with centering. Nice images, BTW. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) First Posting Date: 20 Aug 1998 10:52:46 -0500 Elaina, - I'm answering to the list because this is a broad request to anyone on - geocities. Please stop the pop-ups. GeoCities doesn't really give you much choice. If you host your site there, you either (a) pay, (b) include ads on your pages, or (c) get pop-ups and branding. I have disabled all JavaScript for geocities.com in my web browser, so I don't get them; it's simple and effective, but makes some pages not work right. The price of some brain-dead marketing geek at GeoCities figuring this was a good idea. Just because you *can* do a thing, doesn't mean you *should*! :-) Things like this are why I left GeoCities. (Well, that, and because I *could* leave GeoCities.) I can post detailed instructions on disabling JavaScript for all GeoCities web sites in IE4 if people are interested (and don't know already how to do it). Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Diosnel Herrnsdorf Subject: Re: (fractint) web page Date: 20 Aug 1998 12:37:43 -0400 Hi Faye. I'm browsing with Netscape Communicator 4.06, and the only problem I had was the missing links. Besides, at 800x600 it centers very well. By the way, and this goes for the whole list, how can I run fractint? I downloaded a zip file, unzipped it, but can't make it run. Note that I don't have C installed on my computer. Is there any way to get an .exe file? Rgds, Diosnel Faye Williams wrote: > After some adjustments, Netscape now works but it doesn't center. I don't > know why. There's > only 2 people who had problems and both are using Netscape. Who knows? > Anyway it works - kind of. > > Faye > arkangel@sb.net > http://www.sb.net/arkangel/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Childress > To: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 4:32 PM > Subject: Re: (fractint) web page > > >> > >> I finally have a web page. Please visit and let me know what you think. > >> Comments good or bad - are welcome. > >> > >> http://www.sb.net/arkangel/ > > > > > >I cannot see any images. I'm running Netscape 4.0 on NT 4.0. > > > > > >Ken... > > > > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Faye Williams" Subject: (fractint) new web page Date: 20 Aug 1998 10:22:11 -0700 I think my page is loading correctly for both Explorer and Netscape now. Netscape is the one that caused a lot of problems. Even though it is centered, one time it comes up on the left - the next on the right. If you haven't visited or couldn't get it to work correctly - please give it another try. I welcome all comments. Faye arkangel@sb.net http://www.sb.net/arkangel/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul DeCelle Subject: Re: (fractint) web page Date: 20 Aug 1998 17:29:03 -0400 Faye Williams wrote: After some adjustments, Netscape now works but it doesn't center. I don't know why. There's only 2 people who had problems and both are using Netscape. Faye-- To center your full-size images, try using the

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commands within each cell of the table. That should do the trick. BTW, nice work - I voted "Western Horns" in Fractint and "Lava Flow" in Tierazon.. Regards, Paul DeCelle Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) new web page Date: 20 Aug 1998 17:28:10 -0400 At 10:22 AM 8/20/1998 -0700, you wrote: If you haven't visited or couldn't get it to >work correctly - please give it another try. I welcome all comments. > >Faye Just visited - nice. Alien Landscape and Antique I liked. davides@pipeline.com ds30@umail.umd.edu Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul DeCelle Subject: Re: (fractint) First Posting Date: 20 Aug 1998 17:35:41 -0400 Damien M. Jones wrote: > > I can post detailed instructions on disabling JavaScript for all GeoCities > web sites in IE4 if people are interested (and don't know already how to do > it). > > Damien M. Jones Damien-- I'd like to try disabling the Geocities JavaScripts - I don't however run IE4; I'm using Netscape 3.0. Is there still a way? Thanks, Paul Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript Date: 20 Aug 1998 18:17:59 -0500 Paul, - I'd like to try disabling the Geocities JavaScripts - I don't however - run IE4; I'm using Netscape 3.0. Is there still a way? You can disable JavaScript, but only globally (i.e. for ALL sites on the net, not just GeoCities). To do this, choose Options > Network Preferences > Languages and uncheck Enable JavaScript. Click OK. For Netscape 4, choose Edit > Preferences, select Advanced, and uncheck Enable JavaScript. Click OK. Again, this is a global setting, and will affect ALL sites, not just GeoCities. For IE3, I could not find a way to disable JavaScript. For IE4, choose View > Internet Options > Security. Choose "Restricted sites zone" and choose Custom for the security level. Choose "High Security" and "Reset". Scroll down to Scripting/Active Scripting and choose Disable. Click OK. Now click Add Sites, enter http://www.geocities.com, and click Add. OK, OK. Any other sites you want to disable JavaScript on (like maybe Tripod) you can just add, without having to mess with the Custom security settings again. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) First Posting Date: 20 Aug 1998 19:19:15 EDT Paul wrote, > Please bear with the pop-up adverts - It's the price you pay for 11 megs > of free server space Try Xoom. ( http://xoom.com/ ) 11 megs free, only require one link back to Xoom pages, no adverts/pop ups. Occasional they send you 'special offer' emails - as far as I've found, these are the only drawbacks. I don't know about the other services that Geocities offer, but Xoom does seem quite good. Also, the URL's tend to be much shorter (e.g. mine is http://members.xoom.com/lukeplant/ ). Hope this isn't too off-topic Luke Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) First Posting Date: 20 Aug 1998 19:19:15 EDT Paul wrote, > Please bear with the pop-up adverts - It's the price you pay for 11 megs > of free server space Try Xoom. ( http://xoom.com/ ) 11 megs free, only require one link back to Xoom pages, no adverts/pop ups. Occasional they send you 'special offer' emails - as far as I've found, these are the only drawbacks. I don't know about the other services that Geocities offer, but Xoom does seem quite good. Also, the URL's tend to be much shorter (e.g. mine is http://members.xoom.com/lukeplant/ ). Hope this isn't too off-topic Luke Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript Date: 20 Aug 1998 21:34:17 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Damien M. Jones wrote: > You can disable JavaScript, but only globally (i.e. for ALL sites on the > net, not just GeoCities). To do this, choose Options > Network Preferences > > Languages and uncheck Enable JavaScript. Click OK. > > For Netscape 4, choose Edit > Preferences, select Advanced, and uncheck > Enable JavaScript. Click OK. Again, this is a global setting, and will > affect ALL sites, not just GeoCities. And good riddance! I think I've seen a total of two interesting JavaScript applications -- boutell.com's Geek, the Game, and one other thing I can't remember. On the other hand, I've seen more than a dozen JavaScript implementation holes, essentially all of which lead to violations of privacy. Of course, since I have it off all the time, I might have missed something. Are there any web sites out there that have genuinely useful javascripts? Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "exile" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript Date: 20 Aug 1998 20:46:33 -0500 Kragen> Of course, since I have it off all the time, I might have Kragen> missed something. Are there any web sites out there that Kragen> have genuinely useful javascripts? What are you looking to do? {}Rick exile@tezcat.com http://www.tezcat.com/~exile http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/vangogh/354/exile.html {Don't bother with the vangogh address... there's nothing there yet} Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) web page Date: 20 Aug 1998 19:18:54 -0700 Faye Williams wrote: > > After some adjustments, Netscape now works but it doesn't center. I don't > know why. There's > only 2 people who had problems and both are using Netscape. Who knows? > Anyway it works - kind of. > > Faye > arkangel@sb.net > http://www.sb.net/arkangel/ > Faye... All looks fine to me now except one image in the Tierazon Gallery. Lovely images!!! I got no problem with the tables centering and I'm using Netscape. Nice job on a first page.......very nice!! My own first effort was paltry in comparison. Keep up the good work and keep fractaling!!! Angela Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) First Posting Date: 20 Aug 1998 19:39:26 -0700 Paul... Nice website and everything looks good to me!! Nice images. I use Netscape Communicator 4.01. Download times were perfectly acceptable for my 28.8 modem in Californai at 7:30PM on a Thursday. I love that fractal on your intro page and you've definetly tamed the bandwidth beast. I suggest you add a title to your pages if at all possible since that is used by search engines first. Excellent pages Angela Paul DeCelle wrote: > > This is my 1st posting - I've been enjoying the dialogue and all the new > PARS for the past few days. Picked up a couple Fractint tips, too; I > only wish I'd subscribed sooner.. > > I too, have a Fractint site at > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cafe/3905/welcome.html > > Any feedback/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.. > > I'm still sorting out the best way to set things up to keep download > times reasonable. So far, having seperate pages with up to ten or so > thumbnails on each seems to work out best. > > Please bear with the pop-up adverts - It's the price you pay for 11 megs > of free server space > > Regards, > Paul DeCelle Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 14 pars (Jm-23) Date: 20 Aug 1998 23:48:56 EDT There's really nothing special here, but I kinda like the 1st two.....and I guess the last two also! They're all made with the same map too. 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image(c)JimWeaver 8/20/98 t=0:00:55.96 P75@800x600 ; jacco212.map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=jmcr2.frm formulaname=Jm_23 function=conj/cosh/cos passes=t center-mag=-1.64313e-014/-2.30926e-014/0.4109395/1/-90 params=100/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=000nof<18>2B53B64B7<32>pbNqcNseO<23>N2DL0CK0C<19>407603602601510<\ 48>uiRwjSviR<26>SD4QB3RC4<18>aTNbUOcWQ<13>wwuyyxyyx<30>yyx } jm2309 { ; image(c)JimWeaver 8/20/98 t=0:01:24.15 P75@800x600 ; jacco212.map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=jmcr2.frm formulaname=Jm_23 function=conj/sinh/tan passes=t center-mag=-0.0830472/-2.22045e-014/0.3221766/1/-90 params=100/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=000nof<18>2B53B64B7<32>pbNqcNseO<23>N2DL0CK0C<19>407603602601510<\ 48>uiRwjSviR<26>SD4QB3RC4<18>aTNbUOcWQ<13>wwuyyxyyx<30>yyx } jm2310 { ; image(c)JimWeaver 8/20/98 t=0:01:17.11 P75@800x600 ; jacco212.map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=jmcr2.frm formulaname=Jm_23 function=conj/cosh/tan passes=t center-mag=-0.0830472/-2.22045e-014/0.3221766/1/-90 params=100/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=000nof<18>2B53B64B7<32>pbNqcNseO<23>N2DL0CK0C<19>407603602601510<\ 48>uiRwjSviR<26>SD4QB3RC4<18>aTNbUOcWQ<13>wwuyyxyyx<30>yyx } jm2311 { ; image(c)JimWeaver 8/20/98 t=0:00:56.80 P75@800x600 ; jacco212.map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=jmcr2.frm formulaname=Jm_23 function=conj/sin/tan passes=t center-mag=-0.0830472/-2.22045e-014/0.3221766/1/-90 params=100/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=000nof<18>2B53B64B7<32>pbNqcNseO<23>N2DL0CK0C<19>407603602601510<\ 48>uiRwjSviR<26>SD4QB3RC4<18>aTNbUOcWQ<13>wwuyyxyyx<30>yyx } jm2312 { ; image(c)JimWeaver 8/20/98 t=0:00:45.81 P75@800x600 ; jacco212.map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=jmcr2.frm formulaname=Jm_23 function=conj/sinh/acosh passes=t center-mag=-0.0830472/-2.22045e-014/0.3221766/1/-90 params=100/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=000nof<18>2B53B64B7<32>pbNqcNseO<23>N2DL0CK0C<19>407603602601510<\ 48>uiRwjSviR<26>SD4QB3RC4<18>aTNbUOcWQ<13>wwuyyxyyx<30>yyx } jm2313 { ; image(c)JimWeaver 8/20/98 t=0:00:55.64 P75@800x600 ; jacco212.map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=jmcr2.frm formulaname=Jm_23 function=conj/cosh/acosh passes=t center-mag=-0.0830472/-2.22045e-014/0.3221766/1/-90 params=100/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=000nof<18>2B53B64B7<32>pbNqcNseO<23>N2DL0CK0C<19>407603602601510<\ 48>uiRwjSviR<26>SD4QB3RC4<18>aTNbUOcWQ<13>wwuyyxyyx<30>yyx } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil McRevis Subject: (fractint) some recently discounted fractal books Date: 20 Aug 1998 21:55:39 -0600 Some discounted fractal books you might be interested in: STRANGE ATTRACTORS: Creating Patterns in Chaos. By Julien C. Sprott Create spectacular fractal images, using a new technique called strange attractors, and demonstrates how to design a program that produces an endless variety of patterns and musical sounds. Includes a 3.5" IBM PC suitable disk. Paperbound Published by M&T Well illustrated, some color. 426 pages Item # 267295 Pub at $39.95 Your Price $4.95 COMPLEX DYNAMICS AND RENORMALIZATION. By Curtis T. McMullen A study of renormalization of quadratic polynomials and a rapid introduction to techniques in complex dynamics. Paperbound Published by Princeton 214 pages Item # 168394 Pub at $22.50 Your Price $5.95 My only connection to Edward R. Hamilton is as a very satisfied customer over the past year or so -- I've literally bought about a bookcase worth of books from them at heavy discounts. The first book is great for investigating chaotic mappings (with plenty of illustrations and software included on diskette), and was written in 1993. The second book is more for you math/programmer types who are interested in renormalization theory as it applies to fractal sets. (This renormalization theory is the basis for Linus Veptig's (sp?) "continuous iteration count" method of rendering the Mandelbrot set, I believe.) I just got these books today and have only glanced through them, but they look worth the money I paid for them and more. You can also find Tim Wegner's "Fractals for Windows" in their online catalog. While this book is a bit dated (it describes the version of fractint embodied in WinFract -- version 18.2), it is still useful and a bargain at $6. -- Rich -- http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/ Legalize Adulthood! legalize@xmission.com ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Koppens,Ton" Subject: (fractint) Misc. PARS & FRM's vol.2 of 2 Date: 21 Aug 1998 04:47:03 PDT 98081704 { ; CalcTime 0:00:06.31 at800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 17 Aug 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=fn*z+z function=tan center-mag=-2.21301/-0.440735/15.72327 params=1.23783258/0.27664619824/2.8236582/0.07817661470999999 float=y maxiter=647 bailoutest=imag decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=hemC5R<9>H1aI0cI0c<46>601510611<13>RBFSCGUDHVEIWFIXHJ<25>xkTzmUyl\ U<29>SD4QB3RC4<35>lfc90AVSYdaiSQV`YdPNSXU_MKOSQVJHLOMRGFIKIMDCEGEHA9BBAC\ 767768434323000<6>rissjt<25>7AG58E25B<4>86A96A96B<5>88I88J98K<4>B6Q } 98081705 { ; CalcTime 0:00:06.05 at800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 17 Aug 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=fn*z+z function=tan center-mag=-2.20328450563204000/-0.41894109916527410/810.4779 params=1.23783258/0.27664619824/2.8236582/0.07817661470999999 float=y maxiter=647 bailoutest=imag decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=YMc<3>aPm<2>`Og_NeZNcYM`XL_<21>535323212000101<21>_GS<29>32222100\ 1<24>KHQLIRMJSNKUOLWQMX<2>TQbVRcWSeXUfYVf<7>ZYg_ZhZXhYVg<2>URcTQaSP_RNYP\ MX<18>110312<19>aEMbENdFOeFPgGQ<5>jQX<2>jMUiLTiJShHR<25>000<24>WKZXL_XLa cyclerange=0/255 } 98081802 { ; uses jacco167 map ; CalcTime 0:00:45.32 at800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 18 Aug 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tetrate center-mag=-1.01126408010012500/+1.10684474123539200/10.41667 params=0.766767/0.04262 float=y maxiter=647 bailoutest=real decomp=128 biomorph=1 colors=YMc<3>aPm<2>`Og_NeZNcYM`XL_<21>535323212000101<21>_GS<29>32222100\ 1<24>KHQLIRMJSNKUOLWQMX<2>TQbVRcWSeXUfYVf<7>ZYg_ZhZXhYVg<2>URcTQaSP_RNYP\ MX<18>110312<19>aEMbENdFOeFPgGQ<5>jQX<2>jMUiLTiJShHR<25>000<24>WKZXL_XLa } 98081803 { ; uses jacco167 map ; CalcTime 0:01:55.67 at800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 18 Aug 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tetrate center-mag=-1.01758096821026300/+1.10098223439065100/9928.199 params=0.766767/0.04262 float=y maxiter=647 bailoutest=real decomp=128 biomorph=1 colors=YMc<3>aPm<2>`Og_NeZNcYM`XL_<21>535323212000101<21>_GS<29>32222100\ 1<24>KHQLIRMJSNKUOLWQMX<2>TQbVRcWSeXUfYVf<7>ZYg_ZhZXhYVg<2>URcTQaSP_RNYP\ MX<18>110312<19>aEMbENdFOeFPgGQ<5>jQX<2>jMUiLTiJShHR<25>000<24>WKZXL_XLa } 98081804 { ; CalcTime 0:01:55.67 at800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 18 Aug 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tetrate center-mag=-1.01758096821026300/+1.10098223439065100/9928.199 params=0.766767/0.04262 float=y maxiter=647 bailoutest=real decomp=128 biomorph=1 colors=I0c90C<16>601510611<13>RBFSCGUDHVEIWFIXHJ<25>xkTzmUylU<29>SD4QB3R\ C4<14>B53942942<14>321321321321321<75>111I0c<42>90D } 98081809 { ; CalcTime 0:02:42.96 at800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 18 Aug 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tetrate center-mag=-1.89584394740674000/-0.11711519171450680/2924.299/1/0/-14.85\ 2 params=0.766767/0.04262 float=y maxiter=647 bailoutest=real decomp=128 biomorph=1 colors=000CIT<19>PawQbyPey<2>PoyOszPuz<31>1BR09P19Q<13>MMiONkQPk<13>wwyz\ zzzxw<14>zN0<14>000021124<12>ELXCLYAK_<14>zyyzzzyzz<32>F15<14>xoP<22>0MJ\ <2>0KO0JQ0KQ<2>0OQ001<16>BHR } 98081811 { ; CalcTime 0:00:51.68 at800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 18 Aug 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tetrate center-mag=-1.89299093665605700/-0.11640602736746480/2703.395/1/0/-14.85\ 2 params=0.766767/0.04262 float=y maxiter=647 bailoutest=real decomp=128 biomorph=1 colors=000<38>PawQbyPey<2>PoyOszPuz<31>1BR09P19Q<13>MMiONkQPk<13>wwyzzzz\ xw<14>zN0<14>000021124<12>ELXCLYAK_<14>zyyzzzyzz<32>F15<14>xoP<22>0MJ<2>\ 0KO0JQ0KQ<2>0OQ } ===================================================================== frm:Explode_M_2Ja (xaxis){ ; by Jay Hill 1998 ; after Paul Derbyshire c=pixel, c2=2*c, z=0 ; eight steps of Jay's formula for critical point z=.2*z+.8*(-2+exp((log(c2)-z)/3)) z=.2*z+.8*(-2+exp((log(c2)-z)/3)) z=.2*z+.8*(-2+exp((log(c2)-z)/3)) z=.2*z+.8*(-2+exp((log(c2)-z)/3)) z=.2*z+.8*(-2+exp((log(c2)-z)/3)) z=.2*z+.8*(-2+exp((log(c2)-z)/3)) z=.2*z+.8*(-2+exp((log(c2)-z)/3)) z=.2*z+.8*(-2+exp((log(c2)-z)/3)) ; finish with one of Derbyshire's Newton steps z2=z+2 s=sqr(z2) t=z2*s ez=exp(z) func=t*ez-c2 der=3*s*ez+t*ez z=z-func/der : ; Paul Derbyshire's formula z=exp(z)+c/sqr(z+2), real(z)<=900000 ;SOURCE: frac_ml.frm } frm:doublerot-xz-yw {; 1997 by Benno Schmid ; after an idea from Jim Muth ; re(p1)=rotation angle x->y ; im(p1)=rotation angle z->w ; p2,p3=4d-coordinates of fixed point g2r=0.0174532925199433 e=exp(flip(real(p1)*g2r)) f=exp(flip(imag(p1)*g2r)) z=f*real(pixel)+p2 c=e*imag(pixel)+p3: z=sqr(z)+c |z| <= 16 ;SOURCE: 4d.frm } frm:=03 { z=c=pixel x=fn1(z-1/p1) y=fn2(x^(z)/p2): z=fn4(x-z)+fn3(y+(z-1))+c |z|<4 ;SOURCE: new.frm } frm:Two_Ellipse_Mset {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 ; Parameters: ; real(p1) = a factor controlling the width of the curves ; imag(p1) = iterations to skip ; real(p2) = major axis, ellipse 1 ; imag(p2) = minor axis, ellipse 1 ; real(p3) = major axis, ellipse 2 ; imag(p3) = minor axis, ellipse 2 ; w = z = bailout = iter = 0 c = pixel width = real(p1) skip_iters = imag(p1) a1 = real(p2), b1 = imag(p2) a2 = real(p3), b2 = imag(p3) i = (0,1) index_factor = 124 / width: ; w = w * w + c ; classic Mandelbrot set ; ang = atan(imag(w) / real(w)) ell1 = a1 * cos(ang) + i * b1 * sin(ang) dist1 = abs(cabs(w) - cabs(ell1)) ell2 = b2 * cos(ang) + i * a2 * sin(ang) dist2 = abs(cabs(w) - cabs(ell2)) IF (dist1 < dist2) range_num = 0 distance = dist1 ELSE range_num = 1 distance = dist2 ENDIF IF (distance < width && iter > skip_iters) z = index_factor * distance + range_num * 125 + 1 bailout = 1 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter bailout == 0 && |w| < 1000 ;SOURCE: 290698.frm } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Koppens,Ton" Subject: (fractint) Misc PARS, vol.1 of 2 Date: 21 Aug 1998 04:46:15 PDT Some PAR's made during the long nights of the last months of my wife's pregnancy. Being now the proud father of twin daughters (now 2,5 months old) I have even less time to play around with Fractint. If I have forgotten to give someone due credit for using his/hers colormap please let me know so I can correct this. Comments and suggestions are always welcome. Ton ====================================================================== 98051001 { ; uses carlson1_map ; CalcTime 0:05:59.69 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 10 May 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_e.frm formulaname=Explode_M_2Ja center-mag=0.0015648/0.06147/0.6666667 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=000zW0<93>d50d50d50d50d50d50<24>d50GGz<123>00O000<3>000 } 98051004 { ; CalcTime 0:03:58.10 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 10 May 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_e.frm formulaname=Explode_M_2Ja center-mag=-0.182208/-1.35052/7.751938/1/0/52.001 float=y maxiter=250 inside=253 decomp=256 biomorph=1; colors=@jfan.map colors=0000kk<7>0uu0ww0xx0zz0zz<61>y1zz0zz0zz0y<59>zIKzJKzJJzJJzKK<29>z`\ `zaazaayaa<41>211000011<35>0jj cyclerange=1/240 } 98051203 { ; Twins, using cmap3 by Paul W. Carlson ; CalcTime 0:01:55.67 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 12 May 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_d.frm formulaname=doublerot-xz-yw center-mag=-1.63162/-0.76439/4.056049/1.4931/0/15.947 params=0.02287487/0.1012789/1.0022798/0.941231/0.9842/0.48484 float=y maxiter=147 inside=maxiter outside=imag decomp=128 distest=1/71/1024/768 biomorph=1 finattract=y colors=000OOO<60>yyyzzzyyy<60>OOOC0C<60>yVyzVzyVy<60>C0C000<3>000 cyclerange=1/240 } 98051210 { ; uses 1springa map by Kathy Roth ; CalcTime 0:03:27.12 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 12 May 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_chr.frm formulaname==03 function=sin/sqr/sinh/cosh center-mag=-1.14956/-0.653194/1.173709 params=0.00415456/0.0999/0.00048648/0.015489 float=y maxiter=647 outside=atan decomp=256 distest=1/71/1024/768 biomorph=1 colors=K58tYF<3>vj8wm6xp4yt2zw0<3>ig4<9>upz<9>MP9<6>bhG<7>zzz<8>00c00k00\ t00k00c00X00R00M<2>00D00B00A009<15>USh<2>MJc<23>cDIdDHeDGeDFfDEfDDgDChCB\ <2>`ABY9AV9AT89Q79N69H48<5>005<14>vvv<16>008<15>oc0<12>B8200485253210310\ 3004004203303403602802B01F01K01Q40XC0eP0oc0<5>tmT<7>zU3<10>aLDB04F03K03Q\ 03X03e03o13<4>rKL<2>tVH } 98051303 { ; CalcTime 0:01:02.78 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 13 May 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=cosxx center-mag=-0.49105241229945550/-1.23097973742582400/113.7819/5.2904/0/3\ 2.123 params=-0.0154878/1.087878 float=y maxiter=147 bailout=4 bailoutest=manr decomp=126 distest=1/71/1024/768 biomorph=1 colors=00076G59G3CG0FF<9>0oo<7>mm0<6>zyn<6>mm0<6>b60`00Y00<8>70000000007\ 0<12>0oo<7>`Fz<7>U00<8>zz0<8>7Mw<7>0zz<7>0D70702A4<12>`oz<3>Rak000<13>80\ 0900B00<10>Z00<6>mm0<5>zyn<6>mm0<6>0Z0<8>070000007<11>7Px<7>mm0<5>zyn<4>\ oo8mm0ki6<6>YJpWFwUDr<7>93G } 98051306 { ; ; ; CalcTime 0:01:26.29 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 13 May 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=cosxx center-mag=0.0718206/-2.07971/3.98557/0.6196 params=1.91231321/0.91223 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=8 bailoutest=manr decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=K58tYF<3>vj8wm6xp4yt2zw0<3>ig4<9>upz<9>MP9<6>bhG<7>zzz<8>00c00k00\ t00k00c00X00R00M<2>00D00B00A009<15>USh<2>MJc<23>cDIdDHeDGeDFfDEfDDgDChCB\ <2>`ABY9AV9AT89Q79N69H48<5>005<14>vvv<16>008<15>oc0<12>B8200485253210310\ 3004004203303403602802B01F01K01Q40XC0eP0oc0<5>tmT<7>zU3<10>aLDB04F03K03Q\ 03X03e03o13<4>rKL<2>tVH } 98051307 { ; uses cmap2 by Paul W. Carlson ; CalcTime 0:02:07.70 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 13 May 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=cosxx center-mag=-0.282861/-2.01167/4.59689/0.8521 params=1.91231321/0.91223 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=8 bailoutest=manr decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=MFjOOO<35>xxxzzzyyy<37>OOOMFj<46>MFjC0C<35>xUxzVzyVy<37>C0CMFj<46\ >MFj000<3>000 } 98051308 { ; uses cmap2 by Paul W. Carlson ; CalcTime 0:02:23.63 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 13 May 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=cosxx center-mag=-0.169731/-2.01621/6.526754/2.2094/104.583/-3.885 params=1.91231321/0.91223 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=8 bailoutest=manr decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=MFjOOO<35>xxxzzzyyy<37>OOOMFj<46>MFjC0C<35>xUxzVzyVy<37>C0CMFj<46\ >MFj000<3>000 } 98051312 { ; CalcTime 0:03:00.54 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 13 May 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=cosh center-mag=0.440054/-1.59679/4.306632/3.7539/107.5 params=0.07488485/0.913355 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=8 bailoutest=manh decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=00AhPX<51>haghIS<81>cz0hIS<72>oWJhISoWJ<27>r`GzpGzp8zo0<2>zh0ze1z\ b1z_2z_2<4>zO4 cyclerange=1/240 } 98051405 { ; uses gallet09_map ; CalcTime 0:01:40.46 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 14 May 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=cosxx center-mag=1.48123/0.612516/1.086176/1.6394/-40 params=0.5450002/0.04848484 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=wvy<10>npqmopmopmop<7>gkjfjieihdhgcgf<4>ZdbZdbYcaYcaXb`<2>VaZU`YU\ `YU`Y<11>OVSOVSOVSOVSOVS<69>000wwc<21>j`DiZBiZB<13>aM2`L1`L1`K1<9>WF3WE3\ WD3WC3VB4<6>S75R66R66R66<24>L11K11K11J11J11<32>000 cyclerange=1/240 } 98051407 { ; uses cmap2 by Paul W. Carlson ; CalcTime 0:02:33.30 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 14 May 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=lambda(fn||fn) function=sin/sqr center-mag=-0.00000000000000089/+0.00000000000000044/0.4065041 params=1/0.1/1 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=85 bailoutest=real decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=MFjOOO<35>xxxzzzyyy<37>OOOMFj<46>MFjC0C<35>xUxzVzyVy<37>C0CMFj<46\ >MFj000<3>000 } 98051903 {; CalcTime 0:03:54.58 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 19 May 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=sin passes=t center-mag=-0.598191/-0.165396/14.97456/1.3067/107.5/44.408 params=0.024786784/0.0921231231 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=85 bailoutest=real outside=atan decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=Wlw<10>JfuHetHdr<4>FalF`kE_iEZhEYf<8>BUWBUVBUUBTTASRASR<36>4AA4AA\ 5CB<12>BZUC`VBZU<22>6B56936A4<46>PbF<6>svc<6>feBdc7``8<4>FOFJNF<2>caEkfD\ rkDzqCzmC<8>v8A<5>x39<3>`A7000QE6KG6<7>rDQ<2>tS_uXcvagwfkwknxpryuvzzz<23\ >Ymw cyclerange=0/255 } 98051906 { ; uses wizz1013_map ; CalcTime 0:03:37.26 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 19 May 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=sin passes=t center-mag=2.07243/2.08396/1.322751 params=0.044444415523/0.15154564 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=85 bailoutest=real outside=atan decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=000FFU<72>ttzttzssy<50>FFPUA0<56>zzmzzmzyl<65>UA1K00K10 cyclerange=0/255 } 98051907 { ; uses wizz1013_map ; CalcTime 0:02:48.34 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 19 May 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=sin passes=t center-mag=2.31877/1.96963/7.291159/0.7435/0/-57.638 params=0.044444415523/0.15154564 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=85 bailoutest=real outside=atan decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=000FFU<72>ttzttzssy<50>FFPUA0<56>zzmzzmzyl<65>UA1K00K10 cyclerange=0/255 } 98051908 { ; uses wizz1013_map ; CalcTime 0:02:54.45 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 19 May 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=sin passes=t center-mag=2.3852/1.91992/20.41602/1.6732/26.54/43.05 params=0.044444415523/0.15154564 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=85 bailoutest=real outside=atan decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=000FFU<72>ttzttzssy<50>FFPUA0<56>zzmzzmzyl<65>UA1K00K10 cyclerange=0/255 } 98060102 { ; uses 004b-snails-rc2 map ; CalcTime 0:00:37.19 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 31 May 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=cosxx center-mag=-0.00331004/-0.0461896/20.81798 params=4.848478e-005/0.04874877 float=y maxiter=647 potential=255/88/16 decomp=256 biomorph=1 finattract=y colors=cggdfh<5>c`ec_ecZecZecZd<88>VK3VK3VL4<91>uyjuyjuyjuyjuyj<2>swjswj\ swjrwjrvj<49>bhg } 98060103 { ; uses bj-working3 map by ; CalcTime 0:00:37.19 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 31 May 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=cosxx center-mag=-0.00331004/-0.0461896/20.81798 params=4.848478e-005/0.04874877 float=y maxiter=647 potential=255/88/16 decomp=256 biomorph=1 finattract=y colors=00076G59G3CG0FF<9>0oo<7>mm0<6>zyn<6>mm0<6>b60`00Y00<8>70000000007\ 0<12>0oo<7>`Fz<7>U00<8>zz0<8>7Mw<7>0zz<7>0D70702A4<12>`oz<3>Rak000<13>80\ 0900B00<10>Z00<6>mm0<5>zyn<6>mm0<6>0Z0<8>070000007<11>7Px<7>mm0<5>zyn<4>\ oo8mm0ki6<6>YJpWFwUDr<7>93G cyclerange=0/255 } 98060104 { ; uses combo6c2 map ; CalcTime 0:00:37.19 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 31 May 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=cosxx center-mag=-0.00331004/-0.0461896/20.81798 params=4.848478e-005/0.04874877 float=y maxiter=647 potential=255/88/16 decomp=256 biomorph=1 finattract=y colors=000a0C<5>z0C00H<14>z0H00L<14>z0L00P<14>z0P00T<14>z0T00Y<14>z0Y00a\ <14>z0a00e<14>z0e00i<14>z0i00n<14>z0n00r<14>z0r00v<14>z0v00z<14>z0z400<1\ 3>z00004<14>z04008<14>z0800C<7>Y0C cyclerange=0/255 } 98060106 { ; uses bj-working3 map ; CalcTime 0:01:41.17 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 31 May 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=cosxx center-mag=0.0570241/-0.429366/6.185935/6.0065/0/2.034 params=4.848478e-005/0.04874877 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=00076G59G3CG0FF<9>0oo<7>mm0<6>zyn<6>mm0<6>b60`00Y00<8>70000000007\ 0<12>0oo<7>`Fz<7>U00<8>zz0<8>7Mw<7>0zz<7>0D70702A4<12>`oz<3>Rak000<13>80\ 0900B00<10>Z00<6>mm0<5>zyn<6>mm0<6>0Z0<8>070000007<11>7Px<7>mm0<5>zyn<4>\ oo8mm0ki6<6>YJpWFwUDr<7>93G cyclerange=0/255 } 98060901 { ; uses 004b-snails-rc1 map ; CalcTime 0:00:56.40 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 09 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=mandel passes=t center-mag=-1.94926328718898100/-0.47579094886696350/24.74174/2.3038/-32\ .499 params=0.058458478647/0.28877 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=16 bailoutest=real decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=000<116>pruwwztuxwwzsuxvvyrtwuvyrtvtuxqsvsuxprurtworurtvnqtqsvmqs\ prumpsorulprnqtkormqsjoqmpshnqlprjoqlprinpkoqhmojoqhmoinphlnhmogkmhmogjl\ hlnfikgkmfhkgjlegjfikefifhkdehegjddgeficcgdehcbfddgbaeccgb`dcbfa_cbaeaZc\ b`d`Yba_c`XaaZc_W``Yb_V_`XaZU__W`ZTZ_V_YSYZU_YRXZTZXQWYSYXPVYRXWOVXQWWNU\ XPVVMTWOVVLSWNUUKRVMTUJRVLSTIQUKRTHPUJRSGOTIQSFNTHPRENSGORDMSFNQCLRENQBK\ RDMPAJQCLP9JQBKO8IPAJO7HP9JN6GO8IO7HJ6FN6GE7DJ6FC7CE7D78A97B298589466233 cyclerange=0/255 } 98060903 { ; uses 2flex_web map ; CalcTime 0:00:56.74 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 09 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=volterra-lotka center-mag=+0.29463656744073820/+1.74366929097651800/11.47185/1.6172/70.\ 665/-48.155 params=0.739/0.739 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=16 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=78FYUq<11>MK`<2>MHPMFLMEHNCCKBBIA9F87<4>MCGODHPFH<3>VPIXRIZUJ_WK<\ 16>zzZxxY<16>0CC<45>MiYNjZNiZ<23>HHFGGEGFDFECFDBEBAF99<10>8D38D39D3<6>H8\ 6I76K67L58<19>_1P_1Q`1R`1Sa1Tb0U<24>E08C07B07907<3>125<3>56B67D78F89HAAJ\ <17>ZUr cyclerange=0/255 } 98060908 { ; uses combo6c0 map ; CalcTime 0:02:14.68 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 09 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=volterra-lotka center-mag=+1.07038123167155300/+1.22913950456323300/1.008595/1.2519 params=0.5456444/0.04646484 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=AIIEQQAII<60>JcdKdeKbc<9>AIIZF0<50>vi0wj0wj0wj0<75>ZF0AII<2>AIIAJ\ JAJJAKKBKK<39>KdeHYY cyclerange=0/255 } 98061002 { ; CalcTime 0:04:07.83 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 10 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_e.frm formulaname=explode_m_2ja center-mag=-0.889931/0.609058/4.901961/1/-90 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=00066a<43>00O000<3>000zW0<93>d50d50d50d50d50d50<24>d50GGz<78>66a } 98061003 { ; CalcTime 0:02:57.47 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 10 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_e.frm formulaname=explode_m_2ja center-mag=-0.836205/0.774438/20.09/1/149.999 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=00066a<43>00O000<3>000zW0<93>d50d50d50d50d50d50<24>d50GGz<78>66a } 98061007 { ; Psychedelic dog with butterfly ; CalcTime 0:02:35.06 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 10 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=sin center-mag=-1.2566/-1.11239/1.052189 params=1.01551452/0.9121212 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=STb<2>TWfIDzRNX<3>MatTNT<5>_jZSKS<10>UJWVIXTJR<7>d6ETJS<14>s1aPIV\ <4>75iZMN<2>tS5SKR<12>NH8TMS<11>fucTMU<7>fgjUKR<10>qTFSKU<5>PJhOIkPPQLVO\ H`LN`SHrRWLU<5>uXfVNQ<7>yk6UKT<9>uAdTHS<4>`0S_VUgfWSKT<10>NOnFenSLT<12>Z\ hlSQX<4>VxwSJT<9>M9gUJU<8>q8sPOS<6>0qVULU<10>sWsUKSWKSZLSPKS`LS<8>uPSxQT\ xST<4>xaT cyclerange=0/255 } 98061502 { ; uses combo6c3 map ; CalcTime 0:18:29.66 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 15 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tetrate passes=t center-mag=-0.06135899222163770/+0.11047823478619660/19.07344/0.7954/-13\ 0.185/37.867 params=0.04154654/0.1848488 float=y maxiter=647 bailoutest=real decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=000821<12>RBESCFUDGVEHWFHXHI<25>xkSzmTylTxkSwjR<5>maMk_LhYK<20>00\ 0<6>B96CA7EB9<12>ZRN_TOaUPbWQdXRfZT<31>zzymfn<24>yxxyyxxww<8>menlcmlbm<2\ 4>TAXS8WS8W<24>738627627627<13>616616705704<4>600510610 cyclerange=0/255 } 98061503 { ; uses combo6c3 map ; CalcTime 0:14:03.44 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 15 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tetrate passes=t center-mag=-0.00220749592193845/+0.06142119407763227/236.1016/0.7472/-13\ 0.185/-4.517 params=0.04154654/0.1848488 float=y maxiter=647 bailoutest=real decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=000821<12>RBESCFUDGVEHWFHXHI<25>xkSzmTylTxkSwjR<5>maMk_LhYK<20>00\ 0<6>B96CA7EB9<12>ZRN_TOaUPbWQdXRfZT<31>zzymfn<24>yxxyyxxww<8>menlcmlbm<2\ 4>TAXS8WS8W<24>738627627627<13>616616705704<4>600510610 cyclerange=0/255 } 98061504 { ; uses combo6c3 map ; CalcTime 0:06:27.56 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 15 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tetrate passes=t center-mag=-0.09881562397309002/+0.10651868860347650/38.45451/0.7954/-13\ 0.185/17.129 params=0.04154654/0.1848488 float=y maxiter=647 bailoutest=real decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=QJB<11>000<6>B96CA7EB9<12>ZRN_TOaUPbWQdXRfZT<31>zzymfn<24>yxxyyxx\ ww<8>menlcmlbm<24>TAXS8WS8W<24>738627627627<13>616616705704<4>6005106100\ 00821<12>RBESCFUDGVEHWFHXHI<25>xkSzmTylTxkSwjR<5>maMk_LhYK<7>SLC cyclerange=0/255 } 98061505 { ; CalcTime 0:06:27.56 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 15 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tetrate passes=t center-mag=-0.09881562397309002/+0.10651868860347650/38.45451/0.7954/-13\ 0.185/17.129 params=0.04154654/0.1848488 float=y maxiter=647 bailoutest=real decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=ABt<65>8AzBBr<7>ODuABr<7>FDlABrGDk<59>pU4qV3qV3qV3<101>3BP3BP3CP4\ CP4DP cyclerange=0/255 } 98061805 { ; CalcTime 0:01:38.26 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 18 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=cosxx center-mag=-0.807003/0.467625/3.071297/3.8162/42.5 params=1.02156489/0.05648648 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=323U3ap3p<14>mCFm7o<10>9sHp4r<30>dyTp8m<6>tfCp3r<35>eAMp3r<20>rKb\ lSohpko3r<28>ENop4q<25>wp3m5n<9>IS5p3r<18>omWnpUmpU<18>TgIRfHReH<13>ZSC } 98061901 { ; CalcTime 0:05:27.57 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 19 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=manfn+exp function=sin center-mag=-3.17497556207233700/-1.37679269882659700/0.8012821 params=1.00000005/0.41468 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=QdF<54>TzQNH3<105>49ENH3<20>TMATMASI9TMB<67>laX cyclerange=0/255 } 98061902 { ; CalcTime 0:02:00.71 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 19 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=newtbasin center-mag=0.226784/0.40678/1.71856/1.865/27.5 params=3/0 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=NLN<5>UWYH9CVY_<13>jwz<3>o`EqV1qV1<20>fYKaGlbGndHpG8B<33>4cqH9A<3\ 0>qt0GHG<2>GhYFrcH9A<26>yxCEAA<2>8GCJCA<9>mw2GAB<15>7r`H9B<13>cQWBHC6RE1\ `GG9A<23>UXYG8A<20>3FJH9B<4>MJL cyclerange=0/255 } 98061903 { ; CalcTime 0:03:24.16 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 19 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=newtbasin passes=t center-mag=0.219772/-0.140374/3.812343/7.0627/-59.814/6.581 params=3/0 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=US`9H`<2>9uGA4k<2>E4z95Z<2>88A7A196e<4>9G`80p95h<5>7HxFJNLZ3E7a<5\ >hR2LEY<2>ui69Aa<3>DYIFDgEcDFi8Gp3<2>Nn28dliWG<5>6zd<5>2dN<3>nTLr`6OJ527\ P<3>8CWAEYBEY<5>J9bL8cOG`<3>bmL<5>ZnwGP8<3>SQfo3_<5>vsy<4>TYQ<3>RoW7Rq<6\ >DJL97i<3>DLw9DX9NN8XCB5c<4>ODO8Bg<4>3mlC4e<5>V5W9Ag<4>9cl8jn9Af<3>7_gBC\ h<5>TzzDFhIRjNbmABh<4>HjrSBTM5j_7nA6f<3>FHjD4b<6>j948Bf<4>2kdA6a<6>NO3EK\ kJ`qPqw94f<5>D5aB2594a94XA5SC9c<6>anCD6g<3>VGnDE`<3>VsD9NP9e6K7WWALgDA95\ g<2>9BmEAeJGcOMb cyclerange=0/255 } 98062102 { ; CalcTime 0:07:14.46 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 20 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=manzzpwr passes=t center-mag=-0.50000000000000000/+0.00000000000000000/0.6666667 params=1.02156/0.6911/1.15656 float=y maxiter=647 bailoutest=real outside=atan logmap=old decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=qbE<37>ANXudD<41>2OrvdC<25>cGWvdC<53>c6CvaE<7>pA`udD<35>0YlmZC<3>\ E7DvdCvdCvcC<4>vdBvdBvcB<30>w`7 cyclerange=0/255 } 98062103 { ; CalcTime 0:16:30.09 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 21 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=manzzpwr passes=t center-mag=+0.28983382209188590/-0.05084745762711840/2.898551 params=1.02156/0.6911/1.15656 float=y maxiter=647 bailoutest=real outside=atan logmap=old decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=COWANXudD<41>2OrvdC<25>cGWvdC<53>c6CvaE<7>pA`udD<35>0YlmZC<3>E7Dv\ dCvdCvcC<4>vdBvdBvcB<30>w`7qbE<35>DOW cyclerange=0/255 } 98062109 { ; CalcTime 0:06:11.30 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 21 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=quatjul passes=t center-mag=+0.31950156019017490/+0.11948288605872290/32.53191/1.922/90 params=-0.745/0/0.113/0.05/0/0 float=y maxiter=147 periodicity=0 colors=00076G59G3CG0FF<9>0oo<7>mm0<6>zyn<6>mm0<6>b60`00Y00<8>70000000007\ 0<12>0oo<7>`Fz<7>U00<8>zz0<8>7Mw<7>0zz<7>0D70702A4<12>`oz<3>Rak000<13>80\ 0900B00<10>Z00<6>mm0<5>zyn<6>mm0<6>0Z0<8>070000007<11>7Px<7>mm0<5>zyn<4>\ oo8mm0ki6<6>YJpWFwUDr<7>93G cyclerange=0/255 } 98062115 { ; CalcTime 0:23:54.76 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 21 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=quatjul passes=t center-mag=+1.27628198195899000/+0.10740652433058200/1062.564/0.8609/-58\ .784/-21.899 params=-0.745/0/0.113/0.05/0/0 float=y maxiter=647 periodicity=0 colors=000IVw<7>KVu9oa<8>1vciJV<77>8OziJV<40>JL4iJV<32>snAiJV<23>`_biJV<\ 17>`NdiJV_Nd<34>IVw } 98062606 { ; uses 004b-snails-rc3 map ; CalcTime 0:01:16.56 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 25 Jun 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=cosxx center-mag=2.19097/-0.199518/8.782123/1.4211/-46/-44.999 params=-0.0415451541/-0.048489789789 float=y maxiter=647 bailout=32 bailoutest=imag invert=1/0/0 decomp=128 distest=3/71/1024/768 biomorph=1 finattract=y colors=zzz<2>zzzzzyzyyyyxyyx<110>_RB_RB_RC<134>zzz } 98070701 { ; CalcTime 0:02:06.49 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 07 Jul 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_t.frm formulaname=Two_Ellipse_Mset center-mag=-0.59824/0.0195567/0.7788162 params=0.04484848/1.48489481/0.448948947/1.995121321/0.478978988/1.48498\ 9478 float=y maxiter=483 decomp=128 biomorph=1 colors=00000e0e00eee00e0eeL0eeeLLLLLzLzLLzzzLLzLzzzLzzz000555<3>HHHKKKOO\ OSSSWWW___ccchhhmmmssszzz00z<3>z0z<3>z00<3>zz0<3>0z0<3>0zz<2>0GzVVz<3>zV\ z<3>zVV<3>zzV<3>VzV<3>Vzz<2>Vbzhhz<3>zhz<3>zhh<3>zzh<3>hzh<3>hzz<2>hlz00\ S<3>S0S<3>S00<3>SS0<3>0S0<3>0SS<2>07SEES<3>SES<3>SEE<3>SSE<3>ESE<3>ESS<2\ >EHSKKS<2>QKSSKSSKQSKOSKMSKK<2>SQKSSKQSKOSKMSKKSK<2>KSQKSSKQSKOSKMS00G<3\ >G0G<3>G00<3>GG0<3>0G0<3>0GG<2>04G88G<2>E8GG8GG8EG8CG8AG88<2>GE8GG8EG8CG\ 8AG88G8<2>8GE8GG8EG8CG8AGBBG<2>FBGGBGGBFGBDGBCGBB<2>GFBGGBFGBDGBCGBBGB<2\ >BGFBGGBFGBDGBCGisi<4>luywVorWl } 98070702 { ; uses combo6c3_map ; CalcTime 0:11:04.31 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 07 Jul 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=manlam(fn||fn) function=cosxx/log passes=t center-mag=+0.61779081133919700/+0.00782268578878798/0.4930966 params=1.545845/0.11584848/10 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=000821<12>RBESCFUDGVEHWFHXHI<25>xkSzmTylTxkSwjR<5>maMk_LhYK<20>00\ 0<6>B96CA7EB9<12>ZRN_TOaUPbWQdXRfZT<31>zzymfn<24>yxxyyxxww<8>menlcmlbm<2\ 4>TAXS8WS8W<24>738627627627<13>616616705704<4>600510610 cyclerange=0/255 } 98070703 { ; uses combo6c3_map ; CalcTime 0:40:19.58 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 07 Jul 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=manlam(fn||fn) function=cosxx/log passes=t center-mag=-0.97870576735092980/+0.49961929595827910/3.625711/1/-57.5 params=1.545845/0.11584848/10 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=000821<12>RBESCFUDGVEHWFHXHI<25>xkSzmTylTxkSwjR<5>maMk_LhYK<20>00\ 0<6>B96CA7EB9<12>ZRN_TOaUPbWQdXRfZT<31>zzymfn<24>yxxyyxxww<8>menlcmlbm<2\ 4>TAXS8WS8W<24>738627627627<13>616616705704<4>600510610 cyclerange=0/255 } 98070707 {; CalcTime 0:14:17.77 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 07 Jul 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=manlam(fn||fn) function=cosxx/log passes=t center-mag=+2.06098142717497400/-0.00804172099087341/1.560432 params=1.545845/0.11584848/10 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=000821<12>RBESCFUDGVEHWFHXHI<25>xkSzmTylTxkSwjR<5>maMk_LhYK<20>00\ 0<6>B96CA7EB9<12>ZRN_TOaUPbWQdXRfZT<31>zzymfn<24>yxxyyxxww<8>menlcmlbm<2\ 4>TAXS8WS8W<24>738627627627<13>616616705704<4>600510610 cyclerange=0/255 } ton0001_map {; for 98070703 colors=sos<11>yxxyyxxww<8>menlcmlbm<24>TAXS8WS8W<24>738627627627<13>6166\ 16705704<4>600510610000821<12>RBESCFUDGVEHWFHXHI<25>xkSzmTylTxkSwjR<5>ma\ Mk_LhYK<20>000<6>B96CA7EB9<12>ZRN_TOaUPbWQdXRfZT<31>zzymfn<11>sos } ton0002_map {; for 98070703 colors=ZJa<7>TAXS8WS8W<24>738627627627<13>616616705704<4>600510610000821\ <12>RBESCFUDGVEHWFHXHI<25>xkSzmTylTxkSwjR<5>maMk_LhYK<20>000<6>B96CA7EB9\ <12>ZRN_TOaUPbWQdXRfZT<31>zzymfn<24>yxxyyxxww<8>menlcmlbm<15>_Kb } ton0003_map {; for 98070703 colors=G6YH7YH8YabDff86Ee<35>NHT8Fe<17>nXO7Ee<16>UCh6Fe<20>7pq7Ee<24>sZI\ 8Ee<22>rZN6Ee<40>W88AGe<9>tfj7Ee<27>`XkICZ<2>t5C6Ee<11>D8`KBfD7_<3>G5Y } ton0004_map {; for 98070707 colors=eRL<17>xkSzmTylTxkSwjR<5>maMk_LhYK<20>000<6>B96CA7EB9<12>ZRN_TOaU\ PbWQdXRfZT<31>zzymfn<24>yxxyyxxww<8>menlcmlbm<24>TAXS8WS8W<24>7386276276\ 27<13>616616705704<4>600510610000821<12>RBESCFUDGVEHWFHXHI<6>dPL } ton0005_map {; for 98070707 colors=5DS<39>BG31Bj<68>gMV1Bj<34>F6M1BjF6L<22>O35P24P24P24<64>VWYVWYUVY\ <13>GHU } 98070710 { ; uses combo ; CalcTime 0:07:24.90 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 07 Jul 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=manlam(fn||fn) function=cosxx/log passes=t center-mag=+1.03013098729227400/+0.97026336375489700/2.060233/1.9618/-52\ .5 params=1.545845/0.11584848/10 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=000821<12>RBESCFUDGVEHWFHXHI<25>xkSzmTylTxkSwjR<5>maMk_LhYK<20>00\ 0<6>B96CA7EB9<12>ZRN_TOaUPbWQdXRfZT<31>zzymfn<24>yxxyyxxww<8>menlcmlbm<2\ 4>TAXS8WS8W<24>738627627627<13>616616705704<4>600510610 cyclerange=0/255 } 98070711 { ; uses ton0004_map ; CalcTime 0:07:24.90 at1024x768 on a 486DX 100 ; Image Copyright 07 Jul 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=manlam(fn||fn) function=cosxx/log passes=t center-mag=+1.03013098729227400/+0.97026336375489700/2.060233/1.9618/-52\ .5 params=1.545845/0.11584848/10 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=eRL<17>xkSzmTylT<2>uiQtgPrfPpdOocN<3>fWJdVIbTH_SGYQF<15>000<6>B96\ CA7EB9<12>ZRN_TOaUPbWQdXRfZT<31>zzymfn<24>yxxyyxxww<8>menlcmlbm<24>TAXS8\ WS8W<22>93A839738627627627<13>616616705704<4>600510610000821<12>RBESCFUD\ GVEHWFHXHI<6>dPL cyclerange=0/255 } 98081701 { ; uses jacco190 map ; CalcTime 0:00:13.95 at800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 17 Aug 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=fn*z+z function=tan center-mag=-1.0413/0.0901503/0.7861635 params=1.23783258/0.27664619824/2.8236582/0.07817661470999999 float=y maxiter=647 bailoutest=imag decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=hemVSYdaiSQV`YdPNSXU_MKOSQVJHLOMRGFIKIMDCEGEHA9BBAC76776843432300\ 0<6>rissjt<25>7AG58E25B<4>86A96A96B<5>88I88J98K<15>H1aI0cI0c<46>60151061\ 1<13>RBFSCGUDHVEIWFIXHJ<25>xkTzmUylU<29>SD4QB3RC4<35>lfc90A } 98081702 { ; CalcTime 0:00:14.01 at800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 17 Aug 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=fn*z+z function=tan center-mag=-1.0413/0.0901503/0.7861635 params=1.23783258/0.27664619824/2.8236582/0.07817661470999999 float=y maxiter=647 bailoutest=imag decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=hemC5R<9>H1aI0cI0c<46>601510611<13>RBFSCGUDHVEIWFIXHJ<25>xkTzmUyl\ U<29>SD4QB3RC4<35>lfc90AVSYdaiSQV`YdPNSXU_MKOSQVJHLOMRGFIKIMDCEGEHA9BBAC\ 767768434323000<6>rissjt<25>7AG58E25B<4>86A96A96B<5>88I88J98K<4>B6Q } 98081703 { ; CalcTime 0:00:24.06 at800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 17 Aug 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=fn*z+z function=tan center-mag=-1.03264/0.0768654/8.551204 params=1.23783258/0.27664619824/2.8236582/0.07817661470999999 float=y maxiter=647 bailoutest=imag decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=hemWHT<15>kDnOIG<26>sdUKKE<5>1X0NIG<42>kNONIG<45>ZbONIG<44>wSVNIG\ <44>LIIKHJLLIJOKNLHHSM<6>3o_<4>vY4<2>v_7 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) First Posting Date: 21 Aug 1998 13:43:46 +0200 Luke wrote: >Try Xoom. ( http://xoom.com/ ) 11 megs free, only require one link back to >Xoom pages, no adverts/pop ups. Occasional they send you 'special offer' >emails - as far as I've found, these are the only drawbacks. I don't know >about the other services that Geocities offer, but Xoom does seem quite good. >Also, the URL's tend to be much shorter (e.g. mine is >http://members.xoom.com/lukeplant/ ). If anyone finds his/her URL too long, he/she can always consider taking a V3 link. An example. The Fractint List ICQ # List (BTW, I probably will do a major check for updates this weekend) is offially located at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Network/6493/fractinticq.html which has a v3 link: http://come.to/fractinticq PROS - Shorter URL - You can use a 'cloaking device' such that the v3 link will be shown instead of the full URL - It's FREE - If you move your pages, you just edit the V3 link profile. You'll have a constant URL forever - You can choose between fly.to, come.to, welcome.to, surf.to and some others I guess. CON - You have to place a small banner on your page (i have that) OR you should have a popup window OR an advertizement delay page (I don't recommend that) NOTE If you use Geocities (and probably others) you should DISABLE the cloaking device. You have to do this because of the relative urls of the form /xxx/yyy that Geocities uses within JavaScripts. If you don't disable it, you'll get a script error and you can't just rely on the assumption everyone's got JavaScripts disabled. XOOM has no problems with this. So just go to http://come.to (or http://fly.to, etc.) You don't need to go to welcome.to to get a welcome.to V3 link though, all choices are possible from all pages. I may really be something to consider. I guess most of you (like me) can't remember all those terrible Geocities URLS :) Hmmm. I forgot I had a XOOM account (since a month), but haven't moved in yet. I still got to build some pages... and a Fractal Gallery. >Hope this isn't too off-topic Guess not. A lot of use use these services, especially Geocities. Lot of space can be useful for fractallers I guess :-) Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript Date: 21 Aug 1998 13:47:20 +0200 Damien wrote: >For IE4, choose View > Internet Options > Security. Choose "Restricted >sites zone" and choose Custom for the security level. Choose "High >Security" and "Reset". Scroll down to Scripting/Active Scripting and >choose Disable. Click OK. Now click Add Sites, enter >http://www.geocities.com, and click Add. OK, OK. Any other sites you want >to disable JavaScript on (like maybe Tripod) you can just add, without >having to mess with the Custom security settings again. I suggest you do the same for www.fortunecity.com and www.freeyellow.com Although the last one isn't so common, you shouldn't be surprised to get *THREE* popup windows! Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Elaina Subject: Re: (fractint) First Posting Date: 21 Aug 1998 06:48:07 -0500 Damien M. Jones wrote: > > GeoCities doesn't really give you much choice. If you host your site > there, you either (a) pay, (b) include ads on your pages, or (c) get > pop-ups and branding. I have disabled all JavaScript for geocities.com in > my web browser, so I don't get them; it's simple and effective, but makes > some pages not work right. The price of some brain-dead marketing geek at > GeoCities figuring this was a good idea. Just because you *can* do a > thing, doesn't mean you *should*! :-) > The first time I read that part, I thought you were talking about the danger of loosing your account because you used "tricks" to break their ads. They're are pages on geocities explaining how. I read it again and get how the advertisers did something they could but shouln't have. :) Its a shame that the ultimate in internet repetitives doesn't quite fit here. Me too! :) er I agree. > Things like this are why I left GeoCities. (Well, that, and because I > *could* leave GeoCities.) > I now have an account with my provider for 5megs at $20 dollars a year. I'm going to be moving the primary pages there and use geocities at a place for older galleries. Juice --have fun --harm none http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/1159 http://web2.airmail.net/ebt Thinking corrupts the mind. Efforts like the web never finish. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Koppens,Ton" Subject: (fractint) PAR: Zoom into JM307NV2 Date: 21 Aug 1998 06:45:17 PDT A zoom into JM307NV2 and some recoloring wich I liked. Greetings, Ton ============================================================================= Zoom_of_JM307NV2 { ; CalcTime 0:00:27.63 at 800x600 on