From: fractint-owner@xmission.com (fractint Digest) To: fractint-digest@xmission.com Subject: fractint Digest V1 #10 Reply-To: fractint@xmission.com Sender: fractint-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: fractint-owner@xmission.com Precedence: fractint Digest Friday, August 29 1997 Volume 01 : Number 010 In this issue: (fractint) Color Printing Re: (fractint) Color Printing Re: (fractint) Searching for Formulas Re: (fractint) Matrox Millenium cards Re: (fractint) Matrox Millenium cards Re: (fractint) Color Printing Re: (fractint) Matrox Millenium cards Re: (fractint) Matrox Millenium cards Re: (fractint) Matrox Millenium cards (fractint) A minor FRM file searching speedup Re: (fractint) Matrox Millenium cards Re: (fractint) Searching for Formulas (fractint) 32bit version of fractint (fractint) Plasma Algorithm Re: (fractint) Searching for Formulas Re: (fractint) 32bit version of fractint Re: (fractint) Searching for Formulas (fractint) Those awful viewwindows Re: (fractint) Those awful viewwindows (fractint) fractint porting information Re: (fractint) A minor FRM file searching speedup Re: (fractint) 32bit version of fractint Re: (fractint) Searching for Formulas Re: (fractint) Matrox Millenium cards Re: (fractint) fractint porting information Re: (fractint) fractint porting information See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the fractint or fractint-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:01:39 -0500 From: Jack Gill Subject: (fractint) Color Printing I've just downloaded Fractint and Winfractint. I can print in color with Winfractint, but Fractint (dos) will not print in color. I've changed the sstools.ini but there is no option that I've found for a hp Deskjet color printer. It prints fine in black and white if I select hp for the laserjet. Any suggestions on how to print in color with the Deskjet would be appreciated. Jack Gill jgill@twu.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:04:49 -0600 From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) Color Printing In article <3405AEF3.30C8DE16@twu.edu> , Jack Gill writes: > Any suggestions on how to print in color with the Deskjet would be > appreciated. I suppose you could always render to a GIF file and use a windows utility to print the GIF? - -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: 28 Aug 97 13:36:52 EDT From: George Martin <76440.1143@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: (fractint) Searching for Formulas Friends, I've been following this thread with interest, since I wrote the most recent changes to the Fractint "search for a formula" code, and will probably take on making any additional changes which the group wants. Version 19.6 added the "frm:" feature for including formulas in par files, and changed somewhat the sequence of events in a formula search. (BTW, there is a bug in the 19.6 "frm:" feature which appears when a formula and image entry in a par file have the same name - this has been fixed for the next release). The Fractint documentation does not get into detail about how the program goes about finding a formula, lsystem or ifs entry. Here is that detail: I. Item selected from menu screen in interactive mode: a. The item selected is always the one highlighted on the screen. II. Item is named as a command parameter in a .par file a. First, some definitions: 1. Default directory - the directory where the default .frm, .l, or .ifs file is located upon starting up fractint. 2. Current item directory - the last directory from which a formula, lsys, or ifs item was selected, as applicable. 3. Current directory - the directory you were in when you started fractint, unless you changed it by shelling to DOS. 4. Default extension - .frm for formulas, .l for lsys, .ifs for ifs, and .par for parameter files. b. Phase one - look for the file named in the parameter entry. If the file is found, look for the named formula, ifs or lsystem entry. If the entry is found, the search is done. If not, continue the search. The file search goes like this: 1. Look for the named file in the current item directory (this must be first so that I. above works correctly). 2. Look for the named file in the current directory (only if curdir=yes is in effect) 3. Look in the .par file itself (the entry must have an appropriate prefix) 4. Look for the named file in the default directory. c. Phase two - do a general search of the default directory in files having the default extension, checking each file one by one until the sought for entry is found, at which time the search ends. If not found, bzzzt the user. If there are two formulas with the same name in two different .frm files in the default directory, there is no guarantee that the correct one will be selected by the final general search; nor is there any guarantee of the order in which the files will be processed during the general search. If two formulas in the same .frm file have the same name, the first one will *always* be selected, even if you select the second one from the menu screen in interactive mode. Under the current system, it is critical that formula writers give their formulas unique names; the more active formula writers have done this by including their initials or some variation of their names as part of the name of each formula they write (e.g. Carr3192). You can also consult the orgform compilation to check whether a formula name has already been used. Hope this helps - George Martin - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:16:30 -0400 From: nick.grasso@hrads.com (Grasso, Nick) Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox Millenium cards Bob Norton wrote: > This is exactly the problem that I'm having. What video BIOS version do > you have running on your Matrox chip? It says I have VGA Bios 2.0. I just installed the latest NT drivers (ver 3.20 dated 7/21/97) but nothing changed. I tried running several other VESA DOS programs, but none of them worked. I'm going to email Matrox tech support. I'll let you know what they say. I think the BIOS can be upgraded with software but I don't know if this will help. Nick nick.grasso@hrads.com - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:20:32 -0400 From: nick.grasso@hrads.com (Grasso, Nick) Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox Millenium cards Serge wrote: > >I also use Fractint in Windows NT 4.0 with Matrox video card. But, I have >Mistique with 2Mb. First time I also had the same problems. Now I >downloaded new driver from www.matrox.com and at least can work in the >640x480x16k mode. (And all SVGA modes with 256 colors also) As I have seen, >new driver for Millenum also available. > Thanks for your reply Serge. I just installed latest drivers (dated 21 July 97) but they didn't help. I'm going to email Matrox tech support. Nick nick.grasso@hrads.com - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:35:46 -0400 From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Color Printing Jack, - > Any suggestions on how to print in color with the Deskjet would be - > appreciated. - - I suppose you could always render to a GIF file and use a windows - utility to print the GIF? I'd agree with this approach. You'll have a lot more control over how the image is printed, as well as a completely current driver, by using a Windows program. FractInt just can't (and IMO shouldn't) try to provide support for every printer. Personally, I've had decent results (for the price) by rendering at 1600x1200 or higher and printing on my Epson Stylus Pro. Using the stiff glossy cardboard-like paper runs about $1 per sheet, but as I said, for the cost, it's great. Damien M. Jones / temporary sanity designs / http://www.emi.net/~dmj/ dmj@emi.net / my gallery: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/ - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:18:01 -0500 From: Barry Bluestein Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox Millenium cards Is this truly an isssue with the card's video drivers? Or is it an issue with NT 4.0? Grasso, Nick wrote: > Serge wrote: > > > >I also use Fractint in Windows NT 4.0 with Matrox video card. But, I have > >Mistique with 2Mb. First time I also had the same problems. Now I > >downloaded new driver from www.matrox.com and at least can work in the > >640x480x16k mode. (And all SVGA modes with 256 colors also) As I have seen, > >new driver for Millenum also available. > > > Thanks for your reply Serge. I just installed latest drivers (dated 21 July > 97) but they didn't help. I'm going to email Matrox tech support. > > Nick > nick.grasso@hrads.com - -- Barry Bluestein TeleJamaica Design Project Manager USAID/Kingston 2 Hainning Rd Kingston 5, Jamaica, W.I. 809-926-5001 x3327 - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:33:08 -0400 From: nick.grasso@hrads.com (Grasso, Nick) Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox Millenium cards At 05:18 PM 8/28/97 Barry Bluestein wrote: >Is this truly an isssue with the card's video drivers? Or is it an issue with NT 4.0? > Very good question. I wish I knew the answer! I just emailed Matrox tech support, so I'll post their reply. If I have time, I'll search Microsoft's knowledge base on microsoft.com. There may be a clue there. Nick nick.grasso@hrads.com - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:32:59 -0500 From: Barry Bluestein Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox Millenium cards I wonder this especially because, as I noted earlier, I have been unable to go over 640x480x16 under NT 4.0 with a Matrox Millennium w/ 4Mb WRAm OR a # Nine Series 2 w/ 8Mb of VRAM. DEEPLY disapointing!! I've tried the MS KB. Since they reoganized it last year it has been monumentally unhelpful, mostly. [Serious wishful thinking below] Tim, any plans to redo Fractint as an NT friendly, hi-res, 32-bit software? I would rather see this even more than a 24-bit color version. The ability to leverage the full speed of PPro 200's and P-II 300's at very high resolutions (1600-1280 or even 2000x1600) would be so much more useful to me than 24-bit color. Call me easy, but I love the results of even 8-bit color. I just want the full speed of NT on a P Pro 200 and the hi-res possible with todays better mainstream 2D video cards, monitors and printers. Grasso, Nick wrote: > At 05:18 PM 8/28/97 Barry Bluestein wrote: > >Is this truly an isssue with the card's video drivers? Or is it an issue > with NT 4.0? > > > Very good question. I wish I knew the answer! I just emailed Matrox tech > support, so I'll post their reply. If I have time, I'll search Microsoft's > knowledge base on microsoft.com. There may be a clue there. > > Nick > nick.grasso@hrads.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - -- Barry Bluestein TeleJamaica Design Project Manager USAID/Kingston 2 Hainning Rd Kingston 5, Jamaica, W.I. 809-926-5001 x3327 - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 01:10:12 -0600 (MDT) From: "Sean (and/or) Jaqueline" Subject: (fractint) A minor FRM file searching speedup I can't say for sure, but I believe it was Tim who said there is no saying which .frm files are searched first when Fractint is having trouble finding a formula. I noticed that it was darned annoying testing out PARs and their related .frm files downloaded from this list and other sources, because Fractint would invariably search through all my _*.frm files before it started searching through the new .frm files I'd just added to my formula directory. (Running Orgform takes a while, and I only do it when my formula directory starts filling up.) But you *can predict which .frm files Fractint will search first. It searches the files in the order which they were added to your formula directory, not based upon the .frm filenames or timestamps. If you use the DIR command at the DOS prompt, you'll see that the order in which the files are listed is the same order that Fractint searches your files. Same thing using the "Sortorder - None" option with LIST.COM. Simply making a temp directory, moving all your .frm files into it, and then copying them back one by one in the order which you would like Fractint to search them seems to work just fine. Of course, a batch file greatly speeds up this process. :) (I'll post an example of this batch file if anyone cares enough to ask.) An example. I have a ton of formulas that I just got from Paul Derbyshire's excellent web-page. I haven't yet run Orgform on them, and they are stored in a file called DERBY.FRM. But when running his PAR files, Fractint searches through every OTHER .frm file before it reaches DERBY.FRM, because it was the most recently added file in that directory (subtly different from the file with the most recent timestamp). So my disk churns away for many unneccessary seconds, when *I know where the darned new formula is! Just running my handy batch file whenever I download a significant number of .par and .frm files forces Fractint to search through the files I want it to search before it tries the _*.frm files. And it takes a heckuva lot less time to move these files back and forth than it does to run Orgform more often. - Sean - --- ****** Sean or Jaq Pratz * spratz@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ****** * o \ o / _ o __| \ / |__ o _ \ o / o * * /|\ | /\ __\o \o | o/ o/__ /\ | /|\ * * / \ / \ | \ /) | (\ /o\ /) | (\ / | / \ / \ * *************************************************************** - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 02:33:13 -0500 From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox Millenium cards Grasso, Nick wrote: > > At 05:18 PM 8/28/97 Barry Bluestein wrote: > > > > Is this truly an isssue with the card's video drivers? Or is it > > an issue with NT 4.0? > > > Very good question. I wish I knew the answer! I just emailed > Matrox tech support, so I'll post their reply. If I have time, > I'll search Microsoft's knowledge base on microsoft.com. There > may be a clue there. > I know normally to find out if it's a video driver problem under Win-95, you would try running under "Safe Mode"??? This is a good test to see where problems really lie. But under Win-NT 4.0, you have to do a Shut Down, Restart the computer, and when the OS Loader menu appears select the Windows NT Version (Server or Workstation) 4.00 [VGA mode] option. Then test the problem. If the problem does not occur, you may have a problem with the installed video driver. Where you would then consult the video adapter manufacturer to obtain an updated video driver. Here is a good link to go to for some NT specifc information on video driver problems: http://www.microsoft.com/kb/articles/Q155/6/81.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:01:50 +0000 From: Peter Otterstaetter Subject: Re: (fractint) Searching for Formulas Hello friends, George Martin wrote: > Under the current system, it is critical that formula writers give their > formulas unique names; the more active formula writers have done this by > including their initials or some variation of their names as part of the name of > each formula they write (e.g. Carr3192). You can also consult the orgform > compilation to check whether a formula name has already been used. I think, to identify a formula, the most important thing is NOT its name but its CONTENT. So why not use a "content dependend identifier" like a "hash count" or a "fingerprint" (may be some techniques used in PGP would help) as a formula identifier? Just an idea. Peter - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Otterstaetter BASF Aktiengesellschaft Zentralbereich Informatik ZXA/U Anwendungsentwicklung D-67056 Ludwigshafen E-mail: peter.otterstaetter@zxa.basf-ag.de - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- All things come to those who wait. They come, but often come too late. From Lady Mary M. Curie: Tout Vient a Qui Sait Attendre (1890) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 97 14:28:50 +0100 From: "Guenther Pfannhauser" Subject: (fractint) 32bit version of fractint On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:32:59 -0500, Barry Bluestein wrote: >Tim, any plans to redo Fractint as an NT friendly, hi-res, 32-bit software? It's a good idea to port FRACTINT on a 32-bit plattform. But it is a fact that DOS (or an emulation) comes with every 32-bit system. Isn't it better to port Fractint on Linux (I'll think it's already done)? Because Linux is free and not everyone wants to pay a lot of money for an operating-system which he (or she) does only need for creating fractint-images! The advantage of a multithreaded Fractint will be great. For example: rendering an image in background while configuring the parameters for the next image, or similar... GP - ------- E-mail: ongel@ibm.net visit my homepage: http://www2.htl-hl.ac.at/~3825/ - ------- LIVE LONG AND PROSPER! - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:45:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chester A. Kustarz ii" Subject: (fractint) Plasma Algorithm Hello. I am interested in the "Plasma" fractal type and looked at the source code. Since I am not familiar with any of the source, it is very hard to figure out what's going on with it. I was wondering if anybody knew how the algorithm worked. I absolutely do not need the integer math tricks because im trying to port it for a power-mac, and it really doesnt need to be as fast as possible. Also, fractint seems to have some really great color palettes. I looked at some docs and stuff a *little* but not enough to understand how they are generated. Does anybody have any pointers? Thanks, Chester Kustarz University of Michigan. - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: 29 Aug 97 12:17:27 EDT From: George Martin <76440.1143@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: (fractint) Searching for Formulas Friends, Peter Otterstaetter wrote: >I think, to identify a formula, the most important thing is NOT its >name but its CONTENT. So why not use a "content dependend >identifier" like a "hash count" or a "fingerprint" (may be some >techniques used in PGP would help) as a formula identifier? >Just an idea. Worth a look, but this would constitute a *major* change in the way Fractint handles the identification of formula, par, ifs, and lsystem entries. Also, there is a fair amount of formula rewriting going on. For example, quite a few formulas have been rewritten to take advantage of the new if..else feature of the formula parser. These formulas look much different than the originals, and run much faster; but in fact draw the identical images as the original formulas with the same underlying math. I wouldn't want to lose the ability to have such improved formulas automatically used by old parfiles, as they can be now because the formula name remains the same. And Sean Pratz wrote: >I noticed that it was darned annoying testing out PARs and their related >.frm files downloaded from this list and other sources, because Fractint >would invariably search through all my _*.frm files before it started >searching through the new .frm files I'd just added to my formula >directory. I'll look into adding a command line option to specify the directory in which Orgform files are located. Then the search order could be "default formula directory" followed by "Orgform directory". A nice side effect is that only one file in the Orgform directory needs to be searched; for example, if the formula name is "abc", the only file that needs to be looked at is _a.frm. If it's not found, there won't be a formula of that name in _a_dup.frm either. Another benefit would occur when there are two "abc" formulas, and the one you want to use is in _a_dup.frm. By copying _a_dup.frm from the Orgform directory to the default formula directory, you could be sure that the search will select the formula you want. BTW, I have a few of Paul Derbyshire's formulas from files "nova.frm" and "quartz.frm" at his web page, and "pderb.frm" at the Spanky site. I don't have a file "derby.frm" which you referred to. Can you let me know where I can find this file? Thanks - George Martin - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:46:33 -0500 From: Barry Bluestein Subject: Re: (fractint) 32bit version of fractint Guenther, I was thinking of the size of the installed base of NT and 95 vs Linux or Free BSD. While Linux and Free BSD are free, most users will never be adept enough to dual boot their machines with these packages. Millions of people will be getting NT or 95 in the upcoming years, though. Regardless of whether Fractint is ever made 32bit or multithreaded, it does not seem to run seamlessly under 95 or NT in all instances. I have now tried it on 3 NT 4.0 boxes, each with a different video card from different manufacturers and higher res modes at 256 colors just won't work on any of them. I have also tried it on 2 different 95 boxes, and 1024x768x256 won't work there either unless you reboot into DOS mode. Some of my graphical DOS software have the same problems, others do not. For example, 'CHAOS - The Software' (now sadly out of print) runs perfectly on every box I have tried it on. Of course 32-bit and multithreaded would be just lovely! The sped issue alone would justify that. I certainly wouldn't turn it down! Guenther Pfannhauser wrote: > On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:32:59 -0500, Barry Bluestein wrote: > > >Tim, any plans to redo Fractint as an NT friendly, hi-res, 32-bit software? > > It's a good idea to port FRACTINT on a 32-bit plattform. But it is a > fact that DOS (or an emulation) comes with every 32-bit system. > Isn't it better to port Fractint on Linux (I'll think it's already > done)? Because Linux is free and not everyone wants to pay a lot of > money for an operating-system which he (or she) does only need for > creating fractint-images! > > The advantage of a multithreaded Fractint will be great. For example: > rendering an image in background while configuring the parameters for > the next image, or similar... > > GP > > ------- > E-mail: ongel@ibm.net > visit my homepage: http://www2.htl-hl.ac.at/~3825/ > ------- > LIVE LONG AND PROSPER! > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - -- Barry Bluestein TeleJamaica Design Project Manager USAID/Kingston 2 Hainning Rd Kingston 5, Jamaica, W.I. 809-926-5001 x3327 - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:01:04 -0600 (MDT) From: "Sean (and/or) Jaqueline" Subject: Re: (fractint) Searching for Formulas On 29 Aug 1997, George Martin wrote: > I'll look into adding a command line option to specify the directory in > which Orgform files are located. Awesome idea, George. This might solve a good number of the formula seraching problems people have. > BTW, I have a few of Paul Derbyshire's formulas from files "nova.frm" and > "quartz.frm" at his web page, and "pderb.frm" at the Spanky site. I don't > have a file "derby.frm" which you referred to. Can you let me know where > I can find this file? Thanks - My apologies. This file exists only on my hard drive. It is a compilation of the above files into which I dump Paul's formulas whenever I find a new one. - Sean - --- * Brought to you by Sean and/or Jaq, and their 18 cats: * Crystal, Sputnik, Venus, Berkeley * Tinker, Evers, Chance, * Crosby, Stills, Nash, * Tigger, Pooh, Piglet, * Orion, Cursa, Spica, Polaris, and Atria. [And yes, we have children, too. Can't remember their names, though.] - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:38:32 -0700 From: "Jay Hill" Subject: (fractint) Those awful viewwindows Help. When one is new to Fractint, or even not so new, a very irritating feature is the 'viewwindows'. I took the list in bulk from the email and changed the frm blocks to have frm: in front. Now I can name the bulk file to something.par and begin scanning the images in the list. However as soon as I hit one of those cute little pictures with viewwindows set to a small part of the screen, well that gets irritating. How do I get it back to normal without editing the .par? That means at least exiting Fractint, even if just to reenter and carefully step over the offending images. Any ideas? Thanks. Jay - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:53:46 -0600 From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) Those awful viewwindows In article <88256502.0070B82D.00@NOTESGW.NOSC.MIL> , "Jay Hill" writes: > How do I get it back to normal without editing the .par? Type 'v' to get the view window screen, then say "no" for "Preview image". - -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 97 14:39:17 -0700 From: Tim Gilman Subject: (fractint) fractint porting information heyo, Recently joining this list, but using Fractint for some years, I'm curious to find information on porting the DOS version of fractint to other processors. I've combed through the pages maintained by Noel Giffin, but I'm eager to learn of other people who are working on direct assembly porting of x86 code. Thanks, Tim Gilman t.gilman@apple.com tgilman@cats.ucsc.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:28:56 -0600 From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) A minor FRM file searching speedup > I can't say for sure, but I believe it was Tim who said there is no > saying which .frm files are searched first when Fractint is having trouble > finding a formula. I may have said this, but you are right, it depends on the order they are sorted in the directory. I thought of reading in all the files and sorting the list before searching, but didn't want to use the required memory. Tim - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:28:56 -0600 From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) 32bit version of fractint > It's a good idea to port FRACTINT on a 32-bit plattform. But it is a > fact that DOS (or an emulation) comes with every 32-bit system. > Isn't it better to port Fractint on Linux (I'll think it's already > done)? Because Linux is free and not everyone wants to pay a lot of > money for an operating-system which he (or she) does only need for > creating fractint-images! Fractint runs on Linux now as Xfract. Also under Unix. It has nearly every feature, though it's slower because the assembler was translated to C. However Linux is not the total answer because the installed base is very small compared to Win95/DOS. We've given a lot of thought to this platform question. We are seriously hamstrung by our current 16 bit programming environment. Perhaps a better solution would be to port to djgpp, the free extended DOS GNU compiler. Such a port would still be a DOS application, but would have 32 bit memory access. The future probably holds a more portable Fractint that runs on many platforms. Tim - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:28:56 -0600 From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Searching for Formulas Peter Otterstaetter wrote: > I think, to identify a formula, the most important thing is NOT its > name but its CONTENT. So why not use a "content dependend > identifier" like a "hash count" or a "fingerprint" (may be some > techniques used in PGP would help) as a formula identifier? > Just an idea. This is an interesting idea, but when you try to implement it, there are problems. Trivial changes in algebra would change the "hash count", as would changes in names of variables. Still, it's worth reconsidering. But for now, serious fractal fanatics need OrgFrm or something similar. Tim - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:28:56 -0600 From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox Millenium cards > [Serious wishful thinking below] > Tim, any plans to redo Fractint as an NT friendly, hi-res, 32-bit software? I > would rather see this even more than a 24-bit color version. The most common question I get is "any plans to do xxxx?" I personally have had ideas for three or four years that I haven't gotten around to implementing yet. Fractint's development goes in fits and starts, according to the interests and abilities of folks who decide to be Stone Soup developers. Fractint could die on the vine in it's present version (probably won't :-)). It is also possible that an energetic developer will burst on the scene and just do the Win95/NT port, so you'll have it in a month. There are also many in between scenarios. :-) I'd say a Win 95/NT port will happen, but not overnight. But I can't predict for sure. BTW I'm following the NT/Matrox thread with interest. Unfortunately I have neither NT nor a Matrox, so I'm helpless to comment. I really appreciate all the folks who have jumped in and shared (this is one reason for the list). Bert Tyler has NT. I don't think he joined the list, but I'll ask him to view the achive web page and search for "NT" or "Matrox". Tim - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:32:28 -0600 From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint porting information > Recently joining this list, but using Fractint for some years, I'm > curious to find information on porting the DOS version of fractint to > other processors. I've combed through the pages maintained by Noel > Giffin, but I'm eager to learn of other people who are working on direct > assembly porting of x86 code. There'sa an Amiga port that has a lot of assembler. Sorry, I've forgotten where to find this, but it's prominent on Amiga pages. What target processor are you interested in? Tim - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 97 17:31:09 -0700 From: Tim Gilman Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint porting information >There'sa an Amiga port that has a lot of assembler. Sorry, I've >forgotten where to find this, but it's prominent on Amiga pages. What >target processor are you interested in? powerPC's are my interest. I've done a lot of 604e work; but before I commit myself to seriously munging through a mountain of low-level reconstruction, which would take quite a while, I want to make sure there's not already some kind of orchestrated effort for porting fractint to different processors. - -Tim Gilman - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ End of fractint Digest V1 #10 ***************************** To subscribe to fractint Digest, send the command: subscribe fractint-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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