From: fractint-owner@xmission.com (fractint Digest) To: fractint-digest@xmission.com Subject: fractint Digest V1 #20 Reply-To: fractint@xmission.com Sender: fractint-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: fractint-owner@xmission.com Precedence: fractint Digest Saturday, September 27 1997 Volume 01 : Number 020 In this issue: Re: (fractint) Gallery update Re: (fractint) Video Cards Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Re: (fractint) Video Cards Re: (fractint) Video Cards Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! (fractint) Thanx Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! (fractint) Fractint20 wish list Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! (fractint) 3d quaternion fractals Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list Re: (fractint) Smoothing color bands, revisited (not anti-aliasing) (fractint) Server failure Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug! Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug! (fractint) Re: Alien Conspiracy Re: (fractint) url See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the fractint or fractint-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:58:04 -0400 (EDT) From: A M Kelley Subject: Re: (fractint) Gallery update I just wanted to let everyone know that I have a couple new fractals in my gallery (finally).--Alice http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/barker/3/Chessiecat.html - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:27:45 +0000 From: "Michael E. Engelby" Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Cards > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:44:26 -0400 > Tim, > > - I've been talking to Number Nine tech support and they referred me to > - this Scitech Software program called the Display Doctor 5.3a, but even > - this program refuses to do anything for this card. > > If SciTech's software won't work with your card, then it's *really* > orphaned. :) For the record, when we wanted to use the Number Nine GXE > card with Windows 95, Number Nine said they had no plans to write proper > drivers for it, that they were no longer supporting the card. They offered > us an upgrade "deal", whereby we could send in the GXE and some money and > they'd send us a new card they did support. Problem was, the upgrade price > was more than we could buy the new card for! What a rip! This experience > really soured us on Number Nine. > > - The Imagine 128 also doesn't support anything higher than DirectX 1.0 > - and I just bought a game with DirectX5 on it. So I am definitely > - looking into upgrading my system now. I am hearing good things about > - the Millenium II from this list and the Diamond FireGL from some other > - friends. I plan to make a move here very soon, so if you haven't put in > - your two cents I am urging you too! > (perfectly good stuff deleted) I have never run FractInt on my system yet. I just recently downloaded Fractint 19.6 and was very disappointed to find out that none of the Super VESA modes worked with my card. I too, have tried SciTech's software for a remedy but that exercise was futile. I now use the windows version 18.21 and it works fine. Perhaps I will attempt to port the current DOS version to windows. As a side note: I recently downloaded the DirectX 5.0 package from Mickysoft and it works fine. It does act sorta strangely when switching from a DOS mode to my 1600x1200 res. But that is liveable. It is an outrage that Number Nine will not support their perfectly good (slighty old) products. That really torks me off. I mean, my card is only 1 yr 8 months old (purchase date) and it is rendered obsolete. Is the obsolescence date for computer hardware getting faster or is it just me? This is the card that I have. Number Nine Product Name: Imagine 128 Pro Processor Type: Imagine 128, Revision 0 Memory Configuration: 8 Megabytes VRAM RAMDAC: IBM RGB528 BIOS Date: 01/07/94 BIOS Revision: 1.03.04 Driver Version: v1.01.08 - -Mike Engelby - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:13:52 -0400 (EDT) From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! My university's computer lab machines have an old fractint lying around one of the network drives. It's version 16. When I first started using it it was past version 17... - -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:14:40 -0500 From: Wes Handrow Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Cards I remind you that when you buy anything computer you've bought a boat with a hole in the bottom. Think about it, look how much things have changed in just the last 3 years and the rate of change is going faster not slower. - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:42:23 -0600 From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Cards In article <3429F340.404D@mailbag.com> , Wes Handrow writes: > I remind you that when you buy anything computer you've bought a boat > with a hole in the bottom. Think about it, look how much things have > changed in just the last 3 years and the rate of change is going faster > not slower. Yep... when people ask me what's important to look for in a computer, I always tell them to buy as much memory as you can afford. This helps keep older processors useful longer because new software always increases in memory appetite. - -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:04:24 0 From: "David D. Singer" Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Jon After a bit of digging around, I have managed to find copies of Fractint V2.1 and V5.1 (or Fract386 as it was known back then). Let me know if you want copies of these and I will arrange to send them to you (e-mail is easiest for me but I might be able to set up a temporary ftp address if necessary - file sizes are 40.4K and 61.2K respectively). Dave Singer - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:25:20 -0700 From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Dave wrote he has Fractint V2.1 and V5.1. I think a complete colection is a good idea. Jay - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 15:11:00 +1 From: "P.Toth Andras" Subject: (fractint) Thanx Microsoft Mail v3.0 IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note K|ldo: P.Toth Andras Cmmzett: Fractint Targy: Thanx Datum: 1997-09-25 15:11 Prioritas: \zenetazonosmts: AE677A94 Beszilgetisazonosmts: AE677A94 ############################################################################## Thank you for your help about IFS fractals, Rich! Andras - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:18:53 PST From: NOEL_GIFFIN Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! "Jay Hill" said: > Dave wrote he has Fractint V2.1 and V5.1. > I think a complete colection is a good idea. I think a complete archive of the fractint development is a great idea. I have a partial collection, ( I took it off line, because I needed the diskspace), but if someone has a site where they can hold all the releases, I will definitely link it into the Fractint Web Pages. Cheers, Noel Giffin - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:36:06 -0300 (ADT) From: Michael C Taylor Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, NOEL_GIFFIN wrote: > "Jay Hill" said: > > I think a complete colection is a good idea. > > I think a complete archive of the fractint development is > a great idea. I have a partial collection, ( I took it off line, because > I needed the diskspace), but if someone has a site where they can hold > all the releases, I will definitely link it into the Fractint Web Pages. I might know a way too-busy programmer with a fractal-related server that might be able to find some space (!time) to hold all the releases. Submit them to ftp://fractal.mta.ca/incoming which is a 'blind' directory (no get or ls) Include the version number in the file name!!! Send me an email message Wait patiently :) - -- Michael C. Taylor Programmer, Computing Services, Mount Allison University, Canada sci.fractals FAQ Banned Books Week - Sept 20-27 1997 - http://www.ala.org/bbooks/ - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:05:52 -0400 (EDT) From: aq936@freenet.carleton.ca (Michael Traynor) Subject: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list A Fractint V20 wish: Have Damien M Jones' and other recent new colouring schemes built into fractint as X screen options. I have no idea if this is feasible, but it would be extremely cool, and run faster than having them as formulas (I'd guess). A Fractint19.6, 19.5, 19.4, ... etc thought: A big thanks to all those who put Fractint together and who share their work with us via this list, sci.fractals and the various web pages: TTTTTTT H H AA N N K K SSSS O T H H A A NN N K K S O T HHHHHH A A N N N KK SSSS O T H H AAAAAA N N N K K S O T H H A A N NN K K S O T H H A A N N K K SSSS . (with apologies to actual ASCII artists for abusing their medium) - -- Mike Traynor People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like. Abraham Lincoln - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:51:23 -0600 From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list Mike asked: > Have Damien M Jones' and other recent new colouring schemes > built into fractint as X screen options. I have no idea if > this is feasible, but it would be extremely cool, and run > faster than having them as formulas (I'd guess). I'm looking at implementing Linas Vepstas coloring algorithm in Fractint, and will certainly look at Damien's file and other offerings here. I'm also interested in the idea of adding an additional section in the formula file for user-defined coloring algorithms. Tim - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:59:14 -0300 (ADT) From: Michael C Taylor Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! > I might know a way too-busy programmer with a fractal-related server > that might be able to find some space (!time) to hold all the releases. > > Submit them to ftp://fractal.mta.ca/incoming David Singer uploaded copies of 2.1 and 5.1, and they are available from ftp://fractal.mta.ca/pub/fractals/fractint/ Also included 18.21 for Windows, 19.4 to 19.6 for DOS, including source code. - -- Michael C. Taylor Programmer, Computing Services, Mount Allison University, Canada sci.fractals FAQ Banned Books Week - Sept 20-27 1997 - http://www.ala.org/bbooks/ - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:38:41 -0400 From: "Melissa D. Binde" Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! And if for any chance that doesn't work, I can also offer space. On Thu, Sep 25, 1997 at 06:36:06PM -0300, Michael C Taylor wrote: > On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, NOEL_GIFFIN wrote: > > > "Jay Hill" said: > > > I think a complete colection is a good idea. > > > > I think a complete archive of the fractint development is > > a great idea. I have a partial collection, ( I took it off line, because > > I needed the diskspace), but if someone has a site where they can hold > > all the releases, I will definitely link it into the Fractint Web Pages. > > I might know a way too-busy programmer with a fractal-related server > that might be able to find some space (!time) to hold all the releases. > > Submit them to ftp://fractal.mta.ca/incoming > which is a 'blind' directory (no get or ls) > Include the version number in the file name!!! > Send me an email message > Wait patiently :) > > -- > Michael C. Taylor > Programmer, Computing Services, Mount Allison University, Canada > sci.fractals FAQ > Banned Books Week - Sept 20-27 1997 - http://www.ala.org/bbooks/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - -- Melissa Binde -- binde@cs.swarthmore.edu; finger for address, etc. Outside the Asylum -- http://www.terindell.com/ Babylon 5 Weekly Column -- http://babylon5.miningco.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't always know what I'm talking about, but I'm always pretty much convinced that I'm right. -- musician Mojo Nixon - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:01:13 -0700 (MST) From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list Tim, One thing that occurred to me is that maybe there could be one additional coloring scheme added to both inside and outside. A fractal can be colored by any function of z, by using a judicious combination of if/then, decomp, and zmag options. How about having a special variable (q?) that can be used for the coloring. It might work like this: color index = q, (which would clamp to 0 or 255 for out of range values) or color index = 256 * ( q mod 1) (which would wrap around). Inside or outside or both could be independently set to q, which could decouple the coloring from the iteration number (no banding), and could allow some typically outside methods (decomp) to be used inside, and vice versa. Also, it should compute quicker than a programmer's formula forced into the zmag or decomp forms. Also, Stone Soup wouldn't have to worry about coding additional schemes (yet :-) they could just give users another tool for their own development. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Tim Wegner wrote: > Mike asked: > > > Have Damien M Jones' and other recent new colouring schemes > > built into fractint as X screen options. I have no idea if > > this is feasible, but it would be extremely cool, and run > > faster than having them as formulas (I'd guess). > > I'm looking at implementing Linas Vepstas coloring algorithm in > Fractint, and will certainly look at Damien's file and other > offerings here. I'm also interested in the idea of adding an > additional section in the formula file for user-defined coloring > algorithms. > > Tim > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:55:53 -0400 (EDT) From: RBarn0001@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list In a message dated 97-09-26 05:50:07 EDT, you write: << I'm looking at implementing Linas Vepstas coloring algorithm in Fractint, and will certainly look at Damien's file and other offerings here. I'm also interested in the idea of adding an additional section in the formula file for user-defined coloring algorithms. >> Tim, Would it be possible to have (1) a formula parameter which would be the one that is used for the color table lookup after escape, and (2) a formula parameter which can turn on or off interpolation within the color table, which might be a good way to provide true color and high color support, and still be relatively backwards compatible. This is the approach I use with Truemand so that I can use fractint color tables, and in some cases, fractint formulae. Ron Barnett - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:59:11 -0400 (EDT) From: RBarn0001@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! In a message dated 97-09-26 03:12:38 EDT, you write: << I think a complete archive of the fractint development is a great idea. I have a partial collection, ( I took it off line, because I needed the diskspace), but if someone has a site where they can hold all the releases, I will definitely link it into the Fractint Web Pages. >> Noel, What is the total space needed? I may have a few MG to spare at my web site. Ron Barnett - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:03:40 -0400 (EDT) From: RBarn0001@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list In a message dated 97-09-26 12:06:01 EDT, you write: << One thing that occurred to me is that maybe there could be one additional coloring scheme added to both inside and outside. A fractal can be colored by any function of z, by using a judicious combination of if/then, decomp, and zmag options. How about having a special variable (q?) that can be used for the coloring. It might work like this: color index = q, (which would clamp to 0 or 255 for out of range values) or color index = 256 * ( q mod 1) (which would wrap around). Inside or outside or both could be independently set to q, which could decouple the coloring from the iteration number (no banding), and could allow some typically outside methods (decomp) to be used inside, and vice versa. Also, it should compute quicker than a programmer's formula forced into the zmag or decomp forms. Also, Stone Soup wouldn't have to worry about coding additional schemes (yet :-) they could just give users another tool for their own development. >> Tim, I would like to second Kerry's suggestions. Ron Barnett - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:59:12 PST From: NOEL_GIFFIN Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Hi, I just ftp'd my archive (incomplete) of Fractint versions to Michael Taylor's incoming directory at Mt. Allison at: ftp://fractal.mta.ca/incoming He should now have: frain13R.zip, frain171.zip, frain181.zip, frain182.zip, frain191.zip, frain192.zip, frain193.zip, frain194.zip, frain195.zip, frain196.zip, fraint18.zip, fraint19.zip, frasr171.zip, frasr181.zip, frasr182.zip, frasr191.zip, frasr192.zip, frasr193.zip, frasr194.zip, frasr195.zip, frasr196.zip, frasrc13.zip, frasrc18.zip, frasrc19.zip, I'm sure he will make it available to public access very soon. Others have asked for these and I just chose Michael's site because he already has an ftp site set up and it was fast and convenient for me to transfer. This is far from complete and I know that Jon Noring and others may have more complete sets but I think there are a few here that were missing from Jon's list. Especially the source codes, which I think are equally important. Cheers, Noel Giffin - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:09:39 -0300 (ADT) From: Michael C Taylor Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! On Fri, 26 Sep 1997 RBarn0001@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-09-26 03:12:38 EDT, you write: > > << I think a complete archive of the fractint development is > a great idea. I have a partial collection, ( I took it off line, because > I needed the diskspace), but if someone has a site where they can hold > all the releases, I will definitely link it into the Fractint Web Pages. > >> > > Noel, > What is the total space needed? I may have a few MG to spare at my web site. > Ron Barnett Ron, I've already started collecting the old version online. The ones available so far are at ftp://fractal.mta.ca/pub/fractals/fractint/ So far versions: 2.1 5.1 13 17.1 18 18.1 18.2 19 19.1 19.2 19.3 19.4 19.5 19.6 (most with source) and WinFractInt 17.3 and 18.21 (both w/ src). Thanks to Noel Giffin and David Singer for their contributions. Future contributions can be sent to ftp://fractal.mta.ca/incoming/ and please send me a note when you do so (I can move the files into the correct spot). - -- Michael C. Taylor Programmer, Computing Services, Mount Allison University, Canada sci.fractals FAQ fractal and cryptography archive - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:01:16 +0200 From: Dirk Meyer Subject: (fractint) 3d quaternion fractals Hallo! I want to call your attention to my image gallery of 3d quaternion fractals (fractint´s quatjul type shows 2d intersections of these objects) The URL is: http://wwwcip.rus.uni-stuttgart.de/~phy11733/index_e.html and I want to ask if there is interest in supporting real 3d fractals in future versions of fractint, or if any work is in progress concerning this point. (I myself would be _very_ interested, and perhaps I could help on coding.) Dirk Meyer. - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:18:07 -0600 From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list Here are the Fractint versions I have, most with source. I've lost track of which versions are still needed to make a complete collections. Do I need to upload any of these? Tim - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:30:26 -0600 From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list Oops, I forgot to attach the list of versions I have to my message! I left off the more recent ones since these are readily available. 0730 0810 0930 1000 1301 1400 1500 1510 1513 1611 1700 1710 1720 1800 1810 1820 1821FC - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:18:35 -0400 (EDT) From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list I can obtain an old version 16.something from my university computers, via floppy disk to my home PC and upload to someplace. - -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:46:08 -0400 From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Smoothing color bands, revisited (not anti-aliasing) Kerry, Thanks for posting your refinements to the smooth coloring FRM I posted. I have examined what I did, and I think I've found the problem. Since the smooth coloring technique is used to interpolate the triangle-inequality method (and others) further down in the FRM file, I'm examining them all to see how the corrections I made will affect them. I'm also not sure what to do, since the corrections would probably change any images generated with the formulae. I would, however, like to point out a few things. First, you point out that sometimes a high iteration count is needed to bring out colors, due to the way FractInt clips values from the real/imag coloring methods. You are absolutely right! I have noticed this before, but didn't consider it terribly important. You simply showed that it was at least important to you, and if you, why not others? :) Fortunately this can be fixed by a slight reworking of the formula, to make it wrap colors by itself. This leaves us with the question of whether to return color values for use with outside=real or decomp=256. The two will not produce identical results. As you say, using outside=real is slightly faster (even reworked as I indicate above), but this difference is almost inconsequential when you consider the time invested in the coloring algorithm itself. More important, though, is whether colors wrap after 255 colors or 256. Using decomp=256 will use *all 256* colors for the outside of the fractal; using outside=real uses only colors 1 through 255, leaving color 0 for the inside. Personally, I prefer the latter. I believe commenting formulae will become increasingly important as they become more like algorithms and less like simple mathematical expressions. I've tried to comment my formulae so others can see where the fractal formula ends, and the coloring algorithm begins. If you have questions about my techniques, you need only ask. Damien M. Jones / temporary sanity designs / http://www.emi.net/~dmj/ dmj@emi.net / my gallery: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/ - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:40:24 +2 From: "J.P. Louvet" Subject: (fractint) Server failure Hi all, Just a few words to say that there is and unidentified problem the server of my university. For a time I have put my pages at http://www-hs/louvet/jpl0.html and the French sci.fractals-faq mirror at http://www-hs/louvet/sci.fractals-faq/faq.html This can be only a temporary solution, because this computer is only a Pentium 120 running mainly as a local server for the department where I work. None of these pages have been updated after September 2, But they will be soon and I hope that the URLs at the end of this mail will work at that time. - --------------------------------------------------------------- J.P. Louvet | Phone : (33)56-84-58-35 IUT Universite Bordeaux I | Fax : (33)56-84-58-29 33405 Talence CEDEX France | e-mail : louvet@iuta.u-bordeaux.fr - --------------------------------------------------------------- Fractales sur serveur Web Universite Bordeaux I : http://www.bdx1.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/jpl0.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:56:15 -0600 (MDT) From: "Sean (and/or) Jaqueline" Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug! On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, Paul Derbyshire wrote: > The less serious is that the collection of 2 and 16-color modes at the > start of the video mode-picker in this version all say "256" colors at the > right. You're not going crazy, Paul. My fractint.cfg file had the same errors in it before I went in and hand-edited it. And I too got my copy from Spanky. However (!), this past weekend I trashed my hard drive, and had to go back to Spanky to re-download 19.6. The fractint.cfg file is now as it should be. This is the final proof I've been looking for, and I am now ready to announce my theory that Noel is actually a space alien trying to undermine the confidence of Fractint users worldwide, hoping to make us overlook the obvious fact that fractals have an application in both faster than light travel and crop circles. - Sean - --- * Brought to you by Sean and/or Jaq, and their 18 cats: * Crystal, Sputnik, Venus, Berkeley * Tinker, Evers, Chance, * Crosby, Stills, Nash, * Tigger, Pooh, Piglet, * Orion, Cursa, Spica, Polaris, and Atria. [And yes, we have children, too. Can't remember their names, though.] - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:40:52 -0400 (EDT) From: KivrynH@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug! Hi, I don't know how it happened, but I have lost/misplaced Spanky's URL.. I'd like to go back and re-download Fractint 19.6 since the bug has crawled under the counter, atleast for the time being. If someone would please post his URL, I'd surely appreciated it. Kivryn - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:24:42 -0600 (MDT) From: Jason Hine Subject: (fractint) Re: Alien Conspiracy > This is the final proof I've been looking for, and I am now ready to >announce my theory that Noel is actually a space alien trying to undermine >the confidence of Fractint users worldwide, hoping to make us overlook the >obvious fact that fractals have an application in both faster than light >travel and crop circles. > Sean, Don't forget the inter-species communication, anti-gravity, the unioning of religion and science, and unlimited power applications of fractals... lotsa 'work' waiting to be done with these 'pretty pictures'... Jason _ __ ___ ____ _____ ______ _______ ______ _____ ____ ___ __ _ _ __ ___ ___ __ _ _ __ ___ Jason N Hine ___ __ _ _ __ ___ GIS Specialist ___ __ _ _ __ ___ Colorado State University ___ __ _ _ __ ___ Pedology and Soil Information Systems Lab ___ __ _ _ __ ___ (970) 491-6832 ___ __ _ _ __ ___ http://boralf.agsci.colostate.edu/~jason ___ __ _ _ __ ___ jason@cnr.colostate.edu ___ __ _ _ __ ___ ____ _____ ______ _______ ______ _____ ____ ___ __ _ - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:10:14 -0400 From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) url At 06:40 PM 9/27/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > >I don't know how it happened, but I have lost/misplaced Spanky's URL.. (snipped) http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/fractint.html davides@pipeline.com "Do Not Meddle In The Affairs Of Dragons For You Are Crunchy And Good With Ketchup" - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ End of fractint Digest V1 #20 ***************************** To subscribe to fractint Digest, send the command: subscribe fractint-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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