From: fractint-owner@xmission.com (fractint Digest) To: fractint-digest@xmission.com Subject: fractint Digest V1 #24 Reply-To: fractint@xmission.com Sender: fractint-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: fractint-owner@xmission.com Precedence: fractint Digest Tuesday, October 7 1997 Volume 01 : Number 024 In this issue: Re: (fractint) SnowFlakeColor (fractint) Weird (fractint) Ditching ints and ditching DOS Re: (fractint) SnowFlakeColor Re: (fractint) dmj-pub.frm Re: (fractint) SnowFlakeColor (fractint) Re: the death of DOS fractint Re: (fractint) SnowFlakeColor (fractint) Problems under Solaris Re: (fractint) SnowFlakeColor (not anymore) Re: (fractint) Problems under Solaris Re: (fractint) Problems under Solaris Re: (fractint) SnowFlakeColor (not anymore) (fractint) CALCWAIT w/Truecolor=yes? Re: (fractint) the death of DOS fractint [none] Re: (fractint) dmj-pub.frm Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! Re: (fractint) Weird Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal (fractint) printing (fractint) Integer Math Re: (fractint) printing Re: (fractint) printing (fractint) FractFloat? (fractint) Truecolor Autokey Question See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the fractint or fractint-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 21:16:58 -0600 (MDT) From: "Sean (and/or) Jaqueline" Subject: Re: (fractint) SnowFlakeColor On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Tim Wegner wrote: > I want to rip out all integer code from Fractint. . . . > > There's no good answer to this except "keep your old copy of > Fractint". > > I'd like comments on this. . . . What do folks think? Go for it. I run Fractint on a 386DX-33, and still I say go for it. About the only objection I can think of is that "Fractfloat" sounds silly. But, realistically, who can say that "Fractint" sounds any better? - Sean - --- * Brought to you by Sean and/or Jaq, and their 18 cats: * Crystal, Sputnik, Venus, Berkeley * Tinker, Evers, Chance, * Crosby, Stills, Nash, * Tigger, Pooh, Piglet, * Orion, Cursa, Spica, Polaris, and Atria. [And yes, we have children, too. Can't remember their names, though.] - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 01:11:28 -0400 (EDT) From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: (fractint) Weird Shouldn't the mailing list intercept bounces instead of forwarding them to every darned user? >To: SMTP@PTLNORWOOD3@Servers[], twegner@MIS.Corp@PTLNORWOOD >Cc: >Subject: Mailing list is dropping letters on the floor > >Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM >error codes. > > VNM3042: twegner@MIS.Corp@PTLNORWOOD > > > >VNM3042 -- NAME NOT FOUND > > Mail cannot deliver the message for one of the > following reasons: the appropriate StreetTalk is not > available; the recipient's user name was deleted; the > recipient's name was not entered correctly. Verify > the accuracy of the name entered. If the name you > entered is a user name, check to see if the user was > deleted. If the name is correct and the user exists, > check the connections between the recipient and > the sender. > > You may see this error if you send a message to a list, > but one of the names on the list is incorrect or invalid. > Anytime a user is deleted, that user name must be > removed from all lists that contain the name. > >---------------------- Original Message Follows ---------------------- > > >I am copying this directly to twegner because the list copy may not make >it to anyone as I shall shortly explain. > >Today I rapidly sent off about six articles to the list. As usual, it was >a while before I received copies from the mailing list. But, I received >the second, fifth, and sixth. The first, third, and fifth never made it. >Clearly the list got them, because it got and sent the sixth. So it got >them but didn't send them! This would seem to indicate a serious software >problem somewhere at the server (xmission.com?). Fortunately, I keep >carbon copies of all my outgoing mail anyways, so as soon as I become >aware the problem has been rectified I shall be able to resend the three >lost messages and will incur no irreperable damage at my >end...unfortunately the same might not prove true for other users of the list. >A software problem that eats messages without a trace, or even a bounce, >and thus causes possible permanent loss of data, is serious enough that I >feel it warrants being checked into at earliest convenience and at top >priority, by whomever is in charge of such things at xmission... > >If software troubles at xmission are not something you (twegner) can >directly deal with, I guess you must know who can, since you got the list >set up there through somebody, and then this message should be forwarded >to the appropriate technical person. >Thank you... > > >-- > .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] > -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" > `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] >Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh > > > - -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 01:22:25 -0400 (EDT) From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: (fractint) Ditching ints and ditching DOS I say ditch ints. I say keep DOS. It is easy to program DOS and windowing versions of the same app. What you have to do is create your own windowing frontend. A DOS version that does windowing itself (I'm working on such a thing myself for DJGPP.) A Windows version that just inline-calls functions in the windows API (interface is the same). X-Windows ditto. Macintrash(!) ditto. Thus, the only piece of code that'd have to change between environments would be the windowing stuff. It would be in a source file for each environment, the makefile would detect the environment (pre-processor flags; for example _DJGPP_ is defined in DJGPP, _Gnu_CC_ in all gnu implementations, and so forth. Or something similar anyways. It'd compile the other sources and the appropriate windowing source and link them into a binary for the platform. - -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 02:02:34 -0400 From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) SnowFlakeColor Justin, - I think as long as DOS lives, there should be a DOS version of Fractint, - for the main reason that it seems a lot easier to develop for DOS than for - Windows 95. Well, that really depends on how you look at it. They are two different environments, two entirely different approaches to writing software. There are advantages to writing software for Windows that may not be entirely obvious. Yes, there is a lot more to know (like the Windows API and/or MFC) but there is also a lot you don't *have* to know, like writing video drivers. - I could be wrong, but I have been able to produce a Mandelbrot - program for DOS that doesn't even put Fractint 2 to shame (no interactive - zooming, no speedups, but automatic 1024x768 resolution) using Visual C++ - 1.52, but I don't even know how to get started using Windows 3.1 with - version 1.52 or Windows 95 using 4.0! You guys must have been super - programmers to even produce a Windows version in the first place--or is it - somehow easier with non-Visual C? I'd certainly have to say writing Windows programs without some sort of high-level development tool like MS Visual C++ or Borland C++ is masochistic. You can do it, but it's more work than not. The main issue, though, is that you just don't write a windowed app in *any* operating system the same way you write a DOS program where you control the whole machine. As I pointed out, it's a different approach to programming. If you're used to writing DOS apps, Windows programming can seem very foreign. I don't think doing WinFract required more genius than writing the original FractInt, but that's just my personal opinion. - BTW, the source code for Fractint won't compile with VC++1.52. Hardly surprising, VC++ 1.52 really isn't designed for writing DOS apps. And any version after 1.52c is strictly 32-bit; although the latest versions have a "console app", this is actually a 32-bit console thingie rather than a DOS compiler. Damien M. Jones / temporary sanity designs / http://www.emi.net/~dmj/ dmj@emi.net / my gallery: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/ - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 23:53:19 -0400 From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) dmj-pub.frm Evan, - Since my e-mail service doesn't have a file send/recieve function, I - wasn't able to use this par file for a while, but I now have a mime - decoder, and I decoded it and attempted to look at the fractals. This actually isn't part of your e-mail service, but the software *you* use to fetch and read your mail. Using a program like Eudora, Netscape Mail, or MS Internet Mail will decode attached MIME files automatically. (And no doubt most other software will, too.) If you are having trouble with the file, you can obtain the original here: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/misc/dmj-pub.zip - Unfortunately, I got errors such as "Undefined Function", "Need More ')', - and "')' needs a matching '('. I haven't been able to fix these errors - and I'm beginning to wonder if I need a different version of Fractint. I used a lot of IF...ENDIF constructs in this file, so you will need FractInt 19.6 to use it. Some (perhaps all) of what I did could be done without using the IF...ENDIF, but it would have been slower and a lot more cumbersome to read. As long as I'm talking about it, I have a new version (1.1) of this file that I will be posting tomorrow. This will contain a few minor fixes, a few new coloring schemes, and a PAR file that will make it a whole lot easier to get started browsing these new coloring algorithms (plus plenty of examples). Damien M. Jones / temporary sanity designs / http://www.emi.net/~dmj/ dmj@emi.net / my gallery: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/ - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:22:05 -0400 (EDT) From: ijk@sas.upenn.edu (Ian J Kaplan) Subject: Re: (fractint) SnowFlakeColor I'd have to agree with Damien's comments. Of course, redesigning fractint as modular and portable will add a few names to the top of the credits list; someone needs a LOT of time on their hands... - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 10:18:49 -0600 From: Rich Thomson Subject: (fractint) Re: the death of DOS fractint In article , henry birdseye writes: > If Fractint for Win could do batch animations then go for it. But my > experience is that DOSFract is extremely fast and I use it for batch > zooming animation all the time. I don't see any reason why a windows version of fractint couldn't do batch operations just as fast. In fact, since the code would be moved entirely to a 32-bit instruction base, it might even go faster. - -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 10:21:13 -0600 From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) SnowFlakeColor Justin Kolodziej <4wg7kolodzie@vmsb.csd.mu.edu> writes: > I think as long as DOS lives, there should be a DOS version of Fractint, for > the main reason that it seems a lot easier to develop for DOS than for > Windows 95. Its the reverse, actually. The DOS version suffers from so many memory management hassles that its nearly impossible to add new code or algorithms with any significant memory usage. > I could be wrong, but I have been able to produce a Mandelbrot > program for DOS that doesn't even put Fractint 2 to shame (no interactive > zooming, no speedups, but automatic 1024x768 resolution) using Visual C++ > 1.52, but I don't even know how to get started using Windows 3.1 with > version 1.52 or Windows 95 using 4.0! The visually oriented tools (especially C++ tools) now are eliminating much of the drudgery of writing windows applications, letting you focus on the problem at hand. However, writing a small mandelbrot program under DOS is totally different from trying to add something to the existing code base of fractint. - -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:36:48 -0500 (CDT) From: John Perry Subject: (fractint) Problems under Solaris I'm trying to compile the latest xfractint for UNIX under Solaris 2.5 using gcc 2.7.2. At link time I'm getting a bunch of messages similar to: bigflt.o(.text+0x4b18): undefined reference to `_fmemmove' bigflt.o: In function `scale_10': bigflt.o(.text+0x55b0): undefined reference to `_fmemmove' bigflt.o(.text+0x57bc): more undefined references to `_fmemmove' follow biginit.o: In function `init_big_pi': biginit.o(.text+0x1ae4): undefined reference to `_fmemcpy' bignum.o: In function `convert_bn': bignum.o(.text+0x324): undefined reference to `_fmemcpy' bignum.o(.text+0x394): undefined reference to `_fmemcpy' bignum.o: In function `unsafe_div_bn': bignum.o(.text+0x16b4): undefined reference to `_fmemmove' bignum.o(.text+0x16c8): undefined reference to `_fmemset' bignum.o(.text+0x16f0): undefined reference to `_fmemmove' bignum.o(.text+0x1704): undefined reference to `_fmemset' bignum.o(.text+0x17ac): undefined reference to `_fmemmove' bignum.o(.text+0x17d8): undefined reference to `_fmemset' bignum.o(.text+0x182c): undefined reference to `_fmemmove' bignum.o(.text+0x1840): undefined reference to `_fmemset' bignumc.o: In function `clear_bf': bignumc.o(.text+0x29c4): undefined reference to `_fmemset' and on and on... Any help would be greatly appreciated! John Perry - perry@texmicro.com Texas Microsystems (713) 541-8200 - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 12:39:21 -0500 From: Justin Kolodziej <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: Re: (fractint) SnowFlakeColor (not anymore) - -----Original Message----- Hardly surprising, VC++ 1.52 really isn't designed for writing DOS apps. And any version after 1.52c is strictly 32-bit; although the latest versions have a "console app", this is actually a 32-bit console thingie rather than a DOS compiler. So, are you saying that I should have bought Borland C++ instead of Visual C++ 4.0 (which includes 1.52)? Or does that also have the same backwards compatibility problem (which is, there is none?!) Justin Kolodziej "I only use Windows because: 1. Solaris isn't available for PC's :( 2. I can't afford a SUN and I'd have to buy a server :( :( :( 3. When's the last time YOU saw an X-Windows (or LINUX) app in your local software store?! ;)" - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:46:58 -0400 (EDT) From: ijk@sas.upenn.edu (Ian J Kaplan) Subject: Re: (fractint) Problems under Solaris John Perry wrote: > > I'm trying to compile the latest xfractint for UNIX under Solaris 2.5 > using gcc 2.7.2. At link time I'm getting a bunch of messages similar to: > > bigflt.o(.text+0x4b18): undefined reference to `_fmemmove' ... > and on and on... Any help would be greatly appreciated! > I guess suggesting you run Linux instead of Solaris wouldn't constitute help... :) - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 11:51:53 -0600 From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) Problems under Solaris In article , John Perry writes: > I'm trying to compile the latest xfractint for UNIX under Solaris 2.5 > using gcc 2.7.2. At link time I'm getting a bunch of messages similar to: Check the configuration header files; specifically port.h which defines the following macros: #define _fmemcpy memcpy #define _fmemset memset #define _fmemmove memmove They should be defined for xfractint. - -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 16:11:36 -0500 From: Justin Kolodziej <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: Re: (fractint) SnowFlakeColor (not anymore) - -----Original Message----- Justin Kolodziej <4wg7kolodzie@vmsb.csd.mu.edu> writes: > I think as long as DOS lives, there should be a DOS version of Fractint, for > the main reason that it seems a lot easier to develop for DOS than for > Windows 95. Its the reverse, actually. The DOS version suffers from so many memory management hassles that its nearly impossible to add new code or algorithms with any significant memory usage. > I could be wrong, but I have been able to produce a Mandelbrot > program for DOS that doesn't even put Fractint 2 to shame (no interactive > zooming, no speedups, but automatic 1024x768 resolution) using Visual C++ > 1.52, but I don't even know how to get started using Windows 3.1 with > version 1.52 or Windows 95 using 4.0! The visually oriented tools (especially C++ tools) now are eliminating much of the drudgery of writing windows applications, letting you focus on the problem at hand. However, writing a small mandelbrot program under DOS is totally different from trying to add something to the existing code base of fractint. - -- end of original message -- OK, OK, I admit it! I'm not even a novice programmer, so of course programming for Windows seems impossible. I can, however, see your point about visual tools making it easier to porgram the problem at hand (no more programming the user interface!) and DOS being impossible to manage memory with (I suppose using protected mode makes it worse). I guess where I get lost is where the program gets segmented into classes, header files and the like. Maybe I'll learn how to do that stuff in my programming class next semester, but seeing that we'll use QuickC, I doubt it... Of course, I could take extra programming classes and minor in computer science to go with my major in electrical and computer engineering, but by then the feature I want to add to Fractint (TRUE COLOR) will probably have been added! Like Bob Dole says, "I just can't win!" Justin Kolodziej "I only use Windows because: 1. Solaris isn't available for PC's :( 2. I can't afford a SUN and I'd have to buy a server :( :( :( 3. When's the last time YOU saw an X-Windows (or LINUX) app in your local software store?! ;)" - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:41:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Jason Hine Subject: (fractint) CALCWAIT w/Truecolor=yes? Howdy all, I'm making significant progress on my (not so) little program to allow unattended zooming with fractint; there are only a few bugs to work out before I throw the source and exec up on my web page for you all to break! One of these bugs is that FractInt's CALCWAIT autokeyword doesn't seem to work when truecolor=yes is specified... I am playing around with throwing some extra time in after the fractal is rendered (using the WAIT keyword), but so far, I've been unsuccessful in creating a Targa file from an autokey file... that is, one that's not corrupt. If anyone is able to accomplish this, please let me know/show me your autokey file... I'll keep working on it, too. Thanks for any help, Jason (Spidey) Hine _ __ ___ ____ _____ ______ _______ ______ _____ ____ ___ __ _ _ __ ___ ___ __ _ _ __ ___ Jason N Hine ___ __ _ _ __ ___ GIS Specialist ___ __ _ _ __ ___ Colorado State University ___ __ _ _ __ ___ Pedology and Soil Information Systems Lab ___ __ _ _ __ ___ (970) 491-6832 ___ __ _ _ __ ___ http://boralf.agsci.colostate.edu/~jason ___ __ _ _ __ ___ jason@cnr.colostate.edu ___ __ _ _ __ ___ ____ _____ ______ _______ ______ _____ ____ ___ __ _ - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 02:14:24 +0200 From: Dirk Meyer Subject: Re: (fractint) the death of DOS fractint Tim Wegner wrote: > If [...] Fractint were ported to djgpp (the > extended DOS GNU C compiler) then the DOS version could live for as > long as DOS lives. That's because djgpp is a 32 bit flat memory model > environment. Most code that compiles under djgpp will also compile > under Linux or Unix or Win95. We could easily maintain a core of > portable code and everyone would be happy. I think that's right. If Fractint would be ported to DJGPP, memory would be no problem. And it would be no disadvantage for portability, especially to Linux, because DJGPP is mostly the same as GCC on Linux (only a few changes for DOS...) My experience with DJGPP (ver 1) is, that it produces faster code than real mode compilers, and a DJGPP version is almost for sure faster than a windows version. It's not my opinion what Rich Thomson wrote: > I don't see any reason why a windows version of fractint couldn't do > batch operations just as fast. In fact, since the code would be moved > entirely to a 32-bit instruction base, it might even go faster. DJGPP is also 32 bit, and there would be no "resource eating" windows in background (if you kept an old DOS 6.2 version on your PC...). Besides Linux, DOS is my favourite operating system, because it is simple and fast and the user has a maximum of control over the system (which you can't say of win95...) So, please, keep Fractint for DOS alive (in new clothes)! Dirk Meyer. - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:08:08 -0500 From: newstedclan@juno.com Subject: [none] Hey try this in "Formula" type. I did it and zoomed into there far right and also in the upper center area. Really cool, and alot more chaotic in the upper area zoom than in the right area zoomed. Comments? Nuke1 (xaxis) { ; M.L. Newsted Jr. z = 0 c = pixel ; basic mandel upto here d = pixel: ;add new variable z = (z*z + c) / d ; slightly altered computation, highly different results } "...God is in the details..." Linus C. Pauling Nuke - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:47:05 -0500 From: e-j-h@juno.com (Evan J Hall) Subject: Re: (fractint) dmj-pub.frm >This actually isn't part of your e-mail service, but the software >*you* use >to fetch and read your mail. Using a program like Eudora, Netscape >Mail, >or MS Internet Mail will decode attached MIME files automatically. >(And no >doubt most other software will, too.) I use Juno because it's free e-mail, and free is quite a bit cheaper than anything else I've seen. >If you are having trouble with the file, you can obtain the original >here: > > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/misc/dmj-pub.zip > That's where the problem comes in. Juno is e-mail only. No Internet. I do, however, have friends that can get it for me, and I plan on doing that. >I used a lot of IF...ENDIF constructs in this file, so you will need >FractInt 19.6 to use it. Some (perhaps all) of what I did could be >done >without using the IF...ENDIF, but it would have been slower and a lot >more >cumbersome to read. > Again, no Internet, but I can have a friend get me the file. Thanks! + | :)Evan Hall | e-j-h@juno.com | My other computer is a Commodore 64 +---------------------------------------+ - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:12:06 -0700 From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint! I found version 10, 12 with source, 15, and 18, 18.1,18.2. One crashed. It is interesting to see how far Fractint has come since version 10! Video modes were up to 640x480x16, at least that is the best that worked on my P200. And the commands, wow, what a difference. Jay - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:19:36 -0600 From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Weird Paul wrote: > Shouldn't the mailing list intercept bounces instead of forwarding them to > every darned user? Hmmm - and then you quoted the same message that went (again!) to every darned user List administration issues are hereby declared off topic for several reasons: 1. List administration IS off topic. 2. Most folks are probably not interested, and in any case no one except me can do anything about it. 3. I need to hear about list administration issues, and might easily miss messages posted to the list. Just email me directly with questions or suggestions about list administration. I'm quite pleased with the way the list is going, thanks to everyone for participating. Tim - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:34:42 -0700 From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal Paul wrote: >You're telling me this guy really used 1 billion maxiter?! Oh course. Paul, it is simple and if you use solid guessing it is not so bad. I listed earlier some tricks to get the part of the image you want to see done first. It involves panning left and right to get Fractint to work on a narrow slice of the image. If you like what you see, then let the rest fill in. With period checking, very few smaples go to 1 billion. Jay - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 00:22:10 -0700 From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) printing Hi. I'm really new to this and think fractint is a great program. I have been trying to print and only have been able to print in black and white. I have not found anywhere to set printing options. The printer is printing everything but fractint in color. I am running version 19.6 and using an Epson Stylus 800 printer. Thanks. - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 03:24:41 -0400 (EDT) From: JulianPA@aol.com Subject: (fractint) Integer Math Tim Wegner asks: If removing integer math extended the life of the DOS fractint would folks be for it? I say by all means go ahead. And by all means continue with what will be necessary to eventually bring Fractint up to 32 bit also. Julian Adamaitis julianpa@aol.com - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:39:41 -0400 From: nick.grasso@hrads.com (Grasso, Nick) Subject: Re: (fractint) printing At 12:22 AM 10/7/97 -0700, kathy roth wrote: >Hi. I'm really new to this and think fractint is a great program. I >have been trying to print and only have been able to print in black and >white. I have not found anywhere to set printing options. The printer >is printing everything but fractint in color. I am running version 19.6 >and using an Epson Stylus 800 printer. Thanks. The printing capabilities of fractint are quite rudimentary. I don't think many people print directly from fractint. You are much better off using a third party program. If you are running Windows, get the shareware program PaintShop Pro. It is easy to use and does a great job of printing fractals on my Deskjet 870. Nick nick.grasso@hrads.com - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:47:03 -0500 From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: Re: (fractint) printing kathy roth wrote: > Hi. I'm really new to this and think fractint is a great program. I > have been trying to print and only have been able to print in black and > white. I have not found anywhere to set printing options. The printer > is printing everything but fractint in color. I am running version 19.6 > and using an Epson Stylus 800 printer. Thanks. > Congratulations, you've found the one thing about Fractint that isn't great. This is a common complaint among new users of Fractint. The best advice that has come up on this newsgroup is: Don't use Fractint for printing! You're much better off saving the image as a .GIF fie and using an image editor to print. I hear Paint Shop Pro works great; it's shareware and you should be able to find it on the Internet. I hope this helps. Justin Kolodziej "I only use Windows because: 1. Solaris doesn't work on PCs :( 2. I can't afford a Sun and I'd have to buy a server AND a workstation :( :( :( 3. When's the last time YOU saw an X-Windows app in your local computer store?! ;)" - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:56:28 -0600 (MDT) From: Jason Hine Subject: (fractint) FractFloat? Howdy... Just my two cents concerning the debate over whether or not to continue support for a DOS version of Fractint... I say produce perhaps one or two more versions, and then cease the DOS version. There are a few bugs/improvements that I'd like to see corrected/implemented (mostly concerning truecolor support and speed improvements... go synchronous orbits!!!), resulting in an even-more-awesome-than-it-already-is fractal generation program which almost anyone can run on almost any machine... I have not done any windows (i.e., VB) programming, but I am beginning to understand the usefulness of having predefined interface libraries and such... just my two cents' worth! Jason (Spidey) Hine - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:15:25 -0600 (MDT) From: Jason Hine Subject: (fractint) Truecolor Autokey Question - --31c_58ba-785c_5140-42f_470a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: 2CZA95ecd6Sf+KhFerXCow== X-Sun-Data-Type: text Howdy all, I messed around with my autokey problem last night for a couple hours, but was unable to determine the source of my problem... so I'm still looking for advice/help! Below is the autokey file produced by my program... if you want to run it, you're going to need to first save an image of the Mandelbrot set, calling it 'deeper' (GIF is implied, remember...). Don't set a viewwindow size (do it at a standard rez, maybe SF5), since there's currently a problem when Fractint tries to write out a viewwindowed Targa file. My problem is that I can't get a complete ITERATES.TGA file out of Fractint when it's running an autokey file. Any comments/suggestions/jibes are greatly appreciated, Jason (Soon to visit Massachusetts) Hine - -------------------------------------- In basic English: Get past credits Turn sound off Restore DEEPER.GIF Create zoombox and move to new pixel location (determined by my program) Save image with zoombox showing as d0000000.gif Turn truecolor option on Increase iterations Change savename to 'deeper' Set file overwrite to yes Render new, zoomed image Save image Quit out of Fractint - --31c_58ba-785c_5140-42f_470a Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=deeper.key Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: Yd+iIfvyuXBU6mlDxjL0Qw== Content-Description: deeper.key Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=deeper.key ENTER "g" "sound=off" ENTER "r" "deeper.gif" ENTER ENTER CALCWAIT PAGEUP PAGEUP PAGEUP PAGEUP PAGEUP PAGEUP PAGEUP PAGEUP PAGEUP PAGEUP PAGEUP PAGEUP PAGEUP PAGEUP PAGEUP PAGEUP PAGEUP PAGEUP PAGEUP PAGEUP PAGEUP PAGEUP PAGEUP PAGEUP RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 RIGHT WAIT 0.3 DOWN WAIT 0.3 "x" DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN "d0000000.gif" ENTER WAIT 0.3 "s" CALCWAIT "g" "truecolor=yes" ENTER CALCWAIT "x" DOWN DOWN WAIT 1 "505" DOWN DOWN DOWN "deeper" DOWN "y" ENTER ENTER CALCWAIT WAIT 8 "s" WAIT 2 ESC ESC "y" - --31c_58ba-785c_5140-42f_470a-- - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ End of fractint Digest V1 #24 ***************************** To subscribe to fractint Digest, send the command: subscribe fractint-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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