From: fractint-owner@xmission.com (fractint Digest) To: fractint-digest@xmission.com Subject: fractint Digest V1 #29 Reply-To: fractint@xmission.com Sender: fractint-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: fractint-owner@xmission.com Precedence: fractint Digest Monday, October 13 1997 Volume 01 : Number 029 In this issue: Re: (fractint) Remove Int math ? (fractint) Long awaited New Nuke Fractal (absolutely Free!) Re: (fractint) Remove Int math ? Re: (fractint) And now the PAR you've all been WAITING FOR! Re: (fractint) Integer v. float Re: (fractint) And now the PAR you've all been WAITING FOR! (fractint) Subject is irrelevant - you will be assimilated! Re: (fractint) Subject is irrelevant - you will be assimilated! Re: (fractint) Subject is irrelevant - you will be assimilated! (fractint) Why not Java? Re: (fractint) Why not Java? Re: (fractint) Subject is irrelevant - you will be assimilated! Re: (fractint) Why not Java? (fractint) old user, new problem Re: (fractint) Why not Java? Re: (fractint) Why not Java? Re: (fractint) Why not Java? (Paul's response) Re: (fractint) old user, new problem See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the fractint or fractint-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:08:47 -0500 From: newstedclan@juno.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Remove Int math ? Hey Sylvie, I tried to run "rand_generic" and got an "undefined function" error indicating that "3D" was unefined. What did I do wrong? "...God is in the details..." Linus C. Pauling Nuke On Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:00:54 -0400 Sylvie Gallet writes: >>> frm:rand_generic { ; **** PARAMETER 1 MUST BE > 0 **** >>> ; Thierry Boudet 101355.2112ompuserve.com >>> ; 19 Juillet 1997 >>> z =3D rand: >>> z =3D fn1(z) + fn2(pixel); >>> |z| <=3D real(p1) >>> } > The following formula works with float=3Dyes: > >frm:rand_generic { ; **** PARAMETER 1 MUST BE > 0 **** > ; Thierry Boudet 101355.2112ompuserve.com > ; 19 Juillet 1997 > z =3D srand(z): > z =3D fn1(z) + fn2(pixel); > |z| <=3D real(p1) > } > > Cheers, > > - Sylvie - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:08:15 -0500 From: newstedclan@juno.com Subject: (fractint) Long awaited New Nuke Fractal (absolutely Free!) Here is another (:|) Free M.L. Newsted Jr. Fractal! Any comments? SnakeHead (xaxis) { ; M.L. Newsted Jr. z = 0 c = pixel: z = sqrt(z) / sqrt(c) + c |z| < 4 } I like to ask another set of simple questions: Am I right in assuming the following about the operation of "snakehead": z= 0 sets the value of z to (0,0) or (0 + 0i) then c = equals pixel sets the value of c to the x,y coordinate of the upper left corner of my screen where x and y form the values for the real and imaginary parts of c (516,359) for a setting of 1024X768. Then, It takes the square root of z (which would be 0) divides by the square root of c (which gives it zero) and then adds c to it which then makes z = (516, 359) Now, then does fractint start over at the top with z=(516,359) and c=(515,359) or am I totally off base? And if that is right, why do I not get a "divide by zero" error? Or is that allowed in Fractint? I've read the first half of the frm.tut that came with fractint and I think I'm on the right track, but any help would be appreciated. I know it's not very chaotic (deep zooming is uneventful) but I though it had a rather interesting shape. Happy Fractaling, "...God is in the details..." Linus C. Pauling Nuke - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:14:57 -0400 (EDT) From: A M Kelley Subject: Re: (fractint) Remove Int math ? Nuke...go through that frm you got from Sylvie and take out all the 3D's, which are artifacts of the Juno mail reader and aren't supposed to be there. Leave the equal signs. --Alice - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:07:54 -0500 From: newstedclan@juno.com Subject: Re: (fractint) And now the PAR you've all been WAITING FOR! Hey Paul! I tried your frm and par files. Really cool! Some were really slow too. PrecognaM (XAXIS) { ; p1 is Julia parameter. z=0,p=0,c=pixel: t=sqr(p)*p+sqr(z)+c p=z z=t, lastsqr<=2048 } I have a similar .frm FatHeart (xaxis) { ; M.L. Newsted Jr. z = pixel / (pixel-1) c = pixel: z = z*z + c |z| < 4 } Which seems to have a more detailed result. And could you explain lastsqr<=2048? Is that some sort of bailout? AAANNNDD, where did you get the gold/purpley .map? Did you write it? Or did you just keep cycling the colors with until you found something you liked and saved it as a .map? I have thought about trying to write a custom .map but it seem so tedious! "...God is in the details..." Linus C. Pauling Nuke - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:43:16 -0400 (EDT) From: ijk@sas.upenn.edu (Ian J Kaplan) Subject: Re: (fractint) Integer v. float Clearly we can sit here for a long, long time arguing about what compination if int and FPU instructions is fastest on what chip. But unless someone is prepared to reoptimize fractint for every new processor released, it hardly matters. The question is: is there ever a situation where int math is MUCH faster? if not, the portability and generic-ness of floating-point math gives it an awfully big overall advantage: we can take the code, stick it into optimizing compiler X on system Y, compile, and have a reasonable approximation of the fastest we can get it on the system. And if someone wants to rewrite that for a specific machine, they're welcome to, but no one HAS to in order to be able to run fractint on that machine. - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 18:04:51 -0400 (EDT) From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) And now the PAR you've all been WAITING FOR! > >Hey Paul! >I tried your frm and par files. Really cool! Some were really slow too. Heh. the best ones usually are. :-) >I have a similar .frm > >FatHeart (xaxis) { ; M.L. Newsted Jr. > z = pixel / (pixel-1) > c = pixel: > > z = z*z + c > |z| < 4 > } >Which seems to have a more detailed result. Funky... >And could you explain lastsqr<=2048? Is that some sort of bailout? yup. >AAANNNDD, where did you get the gold/purpley .map? >Did you write it? Or did you just keep cycling the colors with >until you found something you liked and saved it as a .map? I wrote it... :) >I have thought about trying to write a custom .map but it seem so >tedious! hmm. You'll get the hang of it... > - -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 09:21:30 -0400 From: "Robin Y. Millette" Subject: (fractint) Subject is irrelevant - you will be assimilated! - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCD6F1.BA09D440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Talk about new ways to make friends :) When I first suscribed to this mailing list, I never expected so much = mail! I was wondering: is there was a specific mailing list for = developpers? Three little questions... I'm using Fractint 19.6 in a dos box (4dos, actually :) thru Windows = 95... When I open a dos box, I find out I have 617k of conventionnal = memory left (not bad I think...). So here is my terrible question: why = can't I shell to Dos from Fractint? Wherever I am, (menu or image...), I = hit 'D' but I end up calculating the current image... Secondly: fractint makedoc[=3Dfilename]... I've tested with = filename=3Dcon, and as expected, the doc scroll quickly on my display... = Shouldn't a 'more' pipe give me screen by screen? Actually, I am using = List 9.1m (Vernon Buerg) with the '/s' option, which should do exactly = the same thing... Lastly: what's the deal with "True Color" modes??? I've got a normal = SVGA card... (Cirrus 5434 if you insist, with 1 little meg...) Any clarifications would be greatly appreciated! (btw, I know I can just = as well (even preferably) open a new Dos box instead of shelling from = Fractint... but why isn't it working? My 0.02$ about ints/floats/32bit... although it pretty much has been = said allready: while there is no significant advantage to support ints = any longer, it might become important again in the future... so simply = backup that code for now. 32 bit? Is that really a question? That it for now... CIAO! ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' Robin Y. Millette ICQ uin: 1266281 Waglo Institution http://www.generation.net/~millette Answer the Bovine Call! 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------ =_NextPart_000_01BCD6F1.BA09D440-- - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:17:13 -0400 (EDT) From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Subject is irrelevant - you will be assimilated! >Talk about new ways to make friends :) > >When I first suscribed to this mailing list, I never expected so much = >mail! I was wondering: is there was a specific mailing list for = >developpers? Dunno. Why do you end every line with "="? >Three little questions... > I'm using Fractint 19.6 in a dos box (4dos, actually :) thru Windows = >95... When I open a dos box, I find out I have 617k of conventionnal = >memory left (not bad I think...). So here is my terrible question: why = >can't I shell to Dos from Fractint? Wherever I am, (menu or image...), I = >hit 'D' but I end up calculating the current image... It does this to me too in Win 95 on my 486dx2 50 with 8 megs ram. It doesn't on my *new P166 with 32 megs RAM ;) ;) ;)*... so it has something to do with ram/speed. [Smallish binary snipped] I think it's poor netiquette(?) to post binaries here... PAR files and formulas are welcome though. - -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:00:37 -0500 From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: Re: (fractint) Subject is irrelevant - you will be assimilated! - --------------27BC8E52AEB4842B4E4212CB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I think it's poor netiquette(?) to post binaries here... PAR files and > formulas are welcome though. Probably, especially when some users (yours truly, to be exact) can't even open the darn thing... Netscape can't find a plugin that supports this file. What do I do, and is it even worth opening? Justin K. "I only use Windows because: 1. Solaris isn't available for a PC :( 2. I can't afford a Sun and I'd have to buy a server AND a workstation (I think) :( :*( :^( 3. When's the last time YOU saw an X-Windows app in your local software store?! ;)" - -Me Justin Kolodziej is 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu - --------------27BC8E52AEB4842B4E4212CB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I think it's poor netiquette(?) to post binaries here... PAR files and
formulas are welcome though.
Probably, especially when some users (yours truly, to be exact) can't even open the darn thing... Netscape can't find a plugin that supports this file. What do I do, and is it even worth opening?

Justin K.

"I only use Windows because:
1.  Solaris isn't available for a PC :(
2.  I can't afford a Sun and I'd have to buy a server AND a workstation (I think) :( :*( :^(
3.  When's the last time YOU saw an X-Windows app in your local software store?! ;)"
-Me

 Justin Kolodziej is 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu - --------------27BC8E52AEB4842B4E4212CB-- - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:36:32 -0500 From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: (fractint) Why not Java? - --------------65D4AAA3C6E030479BD0A853 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the Integer v. Float thread, the suggestion was made to compile Fractint in the future using DJGPP. This would produce a 32-bit DOS application AND have the advantage of being easily portable to other systems, assuming I remember the discussion correctly. My response is: Sure, go ahead with it for now. But for a future release (Fractint 50 or thereabouts ;) ) why not rewrite the whole program in Java? This would make the program universally useable (even on Macintosh(probably)). Now before everyone goes complaining about how Java only works in a browser, Let me set the record straight about Java: Java CAN be used to create normal stand-alone applications. Doing this is explained in the docs you get when you download the Java Development Kit from Sun (YES, JAVA IS FREE! 8) You only have to pay if you want a development environment.) Look through the tutorial thaat is available, they explain it to you. Java even has arbitrary precision types built in (again, look through the docs -- this time under the predefined classes descriptions) which is seriously kewl. There may only be a few problems with Java applications: 1. Speed. Java is probably SLOW due to it still being an interpreted language. Then again, there is the JIT (Just-in-Time) compiler, but I don't know if it has any relevancy to applications. 2. I don't know if plotting points to the screen works the same way in an applet as in an application. I can't really find out either, because all the Java Mandelbrot programs I've seen are applets, not applications. If not, you could always use a native class (a reference to some C++ code or any other programming language code) to do it. Anyway, I should probably quit now, as it's getting late, and I have class at 8:00 tomorrow. I'm sure you guys will be able to figure it all out by the 50th release ;). Justin K. "I only use Windows because: 1. Solaris isn't available for a PC :( 2. I can't afford a Sun and I'd have to buy a server AND a workstation (I think) :( :*( :^( 3. When's the last time YOU saw an X-Windows app in your local software store?! ;)" - -Me Justin Kolodziej is 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu - --------------65D4AAA3C6E030479BD0A853 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the Integer v. Float thread, the suggestion was made to compile Fractint in the future using DJGPP.  This would produce a 32-bit DOS application AND have the advantage of being easily portable to other systems, assuming I remember the discussion correctly.

My response is:  Sure, go ahead with it for now.  But for a future release (Fractint 50 or thereabouts ;) )  why not rewrite the whole program in Java?  This would make the program universally useable (even on Macintosh(probably)).

Now before everyone goes complaining about how Java only works in a browser, Let me set the record straight about Java:  Java CAN be used to create normal stand-alone applications.  Doing this is explained in the docs you get when you download the Java Development Kit from Sun (YES, JAVA IS FREE! 8) You only have to pay if you want a development environment.)  Look through the tutorial thaat is available, they explain it to you.

Java even has arbitrary precision types built in (again, look through the docs -- this time under the predefined classes descriptions) which is seriously kewl.

There may only be a few problems with Java applications:
1. Speed.  Java is probably SLOW due to it still being an interpreted language.  Then again, there is the JIT (Just-in-Time) compiler, but I don't know if it has any relevancy to applications.

2.  I don't know if plotting points to the screen works the same way in an applet as in an application.  I can't really find out either, because all the Java Mandelbrot programs I've seen are applets, not applications.  If not, you could always use a native class (a reference to some C++ code or any other programming language code) to do it.

Anyway, I should probably quit now, as it's getting late, and I have class at 8:00 tomorrow.  I'm sure you guys will be able to figure it all out by the 50th release ;).

Justin K.

"I only use Windows because:
1.  Solaris isn't available for a PC :(
2.  I can't afford a Sun and I'd have to buy a server AND a workstation (I think) :( :*( :^(
3.  When's the last time YOU saw an X-Windows app in your local software store?! ;)"
-Me

 Justin Kolodziej is  4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu
  - --------------65D4AAA3C6E030479BD0A853-- - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 00:50:35 -0400 (EDT) From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Why not Java? >My response is: Sure, go ahead with it for now. But for a future >release (Fractint 50 or thereabouts ;) ) why not rewrite the whole >program in Java? This would make the program universally useable (even >on Macintosh(probably)). Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. Do a web search and there are ten trillion fractal applets. And they are all slow, balky, GPF'y, buggy, and tend to have few features. >Now before everyone goes complaining about how Java only works in a >browser, Let me set the record straight about Java: Java CAN be used to >create normal stand-alone applications. Doing this is explained in the >docs you get when you download the Java Development Kit from Sun (YES, >JAVA IS FREE! 8) You only have to pay if you want a development >environment.) Look through the tutorial thaat is available, they >explain it to you. Development kit...? free? got a URL? Maybe there is a way to make applets that *work*, then I can make some for my web site. :-) >Java even has arbitrary precision types built in (again, look through >the docs -- this time under the predefined classes descriptions) which >is seriously kewl. Special pentium optimized assembly routines for special cases, like complex square, cube, log, cosine? Also, what is Java exactly? Sounds like a C++-type OOP language... how does it work precisely? you hear hype about it but very little real info. BTW I got two copies of this fused together into one message...anyone else get this? - -- .*. Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese] -() < When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix" `*' bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me] Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca, http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:31:54 -0400 From: "Brock Kevin Nambo" Subject: Re: (fractint) Subject is irrelevant - you will be assimilated! From: Justin A. Kolodziej <4wg7kolodzie@vmsb.csd.mu.edu> ** <<<> Probably, especially when some users (yours truly, to be exact) can't even open the darn thing... Netscape can't find a plugin that supports this file. What do I do, and is it even worth opening? >> ** I don't know if this has to do with my mail/newsreader (Outlook Express) but I didn't get any file attached to the original message... So I looked under properties and found the original source of the message, and sure enough there was a bunch of gibberish application/ms-tnef. I went and looked it up with AltaVista, and got this: (from http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/97.01/msg00349.html) This MS-TNEF attachment is created by Microsoft Exchange, the e-mail program which comes with Windows 95. It contains formatting information only and no content so you can safely ignore this attachment in mail you receive. So I know why OE didn't pick it up... I hope my messages don't do that ! >>BKNambo - -- (badger@innocent.com) - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:49:17 -0400 From: "Brock Kevin Nambo" Subject: Re: (fractint) Why not Java? - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Derbyshire To: fractint@mail.xmission.com Date: Monday, October 13, 1997 12:53 AM Subject: Re: (fractint) Why not Java? >>My response is: Sure, go ahead with it for now. But for a future >>release (Fractint 50 or thereabouts ;) ) why not rewrite the whole >>program in Java? This would make the program universally useable (even >>on Macintosh(probably)). I don't think I would recommend the Java version of Fractint, especially since uh,.. Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but last I checked, Java didn't enjoy the writing of files... and with our dependence on PAR's and FRM's, this could be a problem. But I don't know if there is or isn't a way to do that though; my tutorial's broad, sweeping statements said Java's security wouldn't allow it, but someone less by-the-book might. ;) >>Now before everyone goes complaining about how Java only works in a >>browser, Let me set the record straight about Java: Java CAN be used to >>create normal stand-alone applications. Doing this is explained in the >>docs you get when you download the Java Development Kit from Sun (YES, >>JAVA IS FREE! 8) You only have to pay if you want a development >>environment.) Look through the tutorial thaat is available, they >>explain it to you. The Java docs were confusing to me; when you say "stand-alone applications" do you mean like a self-contained program, that doesn't need the java runtime? (or whatever that word is...) >Development kit...? free? got a URL? Maybe there is a way to make applets >that *work*, then I can make some for my web site. :-) Java's home page is http://java.sun.com/ or http://java.sun.com/products/jdk/1.1/index.html for the download of the JDK.. >Also, what is Java exactly? Sounds like a C++-type OOP language... how >does it work precisely? you hear hype about it but very little real info. Java is a programming language, which, which is not supported by any computer. The reasoning behind this (kinda fuzzy, yes) is that since it's not native to any computer, they can get any computer to run it, via an emulator called the Java "Virtual Machine." This is a similar concept to a language I'm trying to learn (Inform) except Java is much more graphic-oriented by virtue of being much younger. Java makes two kinds of programs: applets, which are designed to be used with HTML and web browsers; and applications, which run from a Java interpreter compatible with your system. >BTW I got two copies of this fused together into one message...anyone else >get this? No, but I got -your- message dated about an hour before the original... >>BKNambo "this message written from the bottom up ..." - -- (badger@innocent.com) --this sig under reconstruction b/c of relocation of URL-- - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:50:13 PDT From: Nigel Long Subject: (fractint) old user, new problem Hello to you all, I am a newbie on this discussion group so please forgive any breaches of netiquette or appropriateness. I have been using Fractint since v8, on a succession of PCs. All went well until the latest 'upgrade', when I lost my trusty Trident graphics card and acquired a Diamond Stealth 2000 Pro . Now I cannot seem to find a decent mode to run Fractint in! The VESA selections in Fractint.cfg do not work, and the Truecolor modes produce nothing but a shade of dark blue. I can run using the b/w, and ultra.low res modes - but I -really- like using 800x600 and 1024x768 modes. Is there anybody out there in the fractal multiverse who has succeeded in persuading Fractint 19.6 to do anything useful on this kind of hardware? Yours, suffering withdrawal symptoms already, Nigel Long n.h.long@soton.ac.uk - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:56:29 -0400 From: "Brock Kevin Nambo" Subject: Re: (fractint) Why not Java? - -----Original Message----- From: Brock Kevin Nambo To: fractint@mail.xmission.com Date: Monday, October 13, 1997 7:50 AM Subject: Re: (fractint) Why not Java? >Java is a programming language, which, which is not supported by any >computer. Oops, grammar check! I edited that sentence & forgot to reread it. remove ", which," - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:11:56 -0500 From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: Re: (fractint) Why not Java? Brock Kevin Nambo wrote: > > > I don't think I would recommend the Java version of Fractint, especially > since uh,.. Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but last I checked, Java didn't > enjoy the writing of files... and with our dependence on PAR's and FRM's, > this could be a problem. But I don't know if there is or isn't a way to do > that though; my tutorial's broad, sweeping statements said Java's security > wouldn't allow it, but someone less by-the-book might. ;) > Oh yeah... forgot about that. In that case, I'd say contact Sun and say that because Java doesn't save and load anything, you're not going to use it and that if they really want for Java to become the development platform of choice, they'll have to include stuff like that. Just imagine... a word processor where you can't save! YUCK! (That was probably off topic) Anyway, you could probably write native code to support that... wouldn't make Sun happy though, with there "100% Pure Java" initiative and all. > > > The Java docs were confusing to me; when you say "stand-alone applications" > do you mean like a self-contained program, that doesn't need the java > runtime? (or whatever that word is...) > Sorry, should have clarified that. YES, you would need the java runtime to run FractJava(!). You could put it in a .BAT file, though, with the following command:java FractJava or whatever you decide to call the main "class" of the program. > >BTW I got two copies of this fused together into one message...anyone else > >get this? Possibly because I included a link to my E-mail and Netscape gave me this message that "some recipients can't handle HTML" or something like that. Then it gave me an option to send as both text and HTML, so I chose that. You probably received both formats. Justin K. "I only use Windows because: 1. Solaris isn't available for a PC :( 2. I can't afford a Sun and I'd have to buy a server AND a workstation (I think) :( :*( :^( 3. When's the last time YOU saw an X-Windows app in your local software store?! ;)" - -Me Justin Kolodziej is 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:27:52 -0500 From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: Re: (fractint) Why not Java? (Paul's response) > < my original comments snipped> > Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. Do a web search and there are > ten trillion fractal applets. And they are all slow, balky, GPF'y, buggy, > and tend to have few features. > I meant an application that doesn't require a Web browser. I did a search for that and found a grand total of zero before I lost my patience. Besides, the ones I tested didn't have any GFPs, and I actually found ONE with decent speed! > > >Java even has arbitrary precision types built in (again, look through > >the docs -- this time under the predefined classes descriptions) which > >is seriously kewl. > > Special pentium optimized assembly routines for special cases, like > complex square, cube, log, cosine? Probably not, but who knows? I literally discovered all this yesterday (which probably means I shouldn't tout Java TOO much... ;) ) AND I only became interested because I read about it in one of SunSoft's hundred books about Java and how "revolutionary" it is. Of course, the same book extols the virtues of the NC (Network Computer), so I don't know how whether I should trust it as far as I can throw it.(If that wasn't off topic, I don't know what is... except for list administration issues :] ) Justin K. "I only use Windows because: 1. Solaris isn't available for a PC :( 2. I can't afford a Sun and I'd have to buy a server AND a workstation (I think) :( :*( :^( 3. When's the last time YOU saw an X-Windows app in your local software store?! ;)" - -Me Justin Kolodziej is 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:43:18 -0500 From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: Re: (fractint) old user, new problem Nigel Long wrote: > Hello to you all, > > I am a newbie on this discussion group so please forgive any breaches of > netiquette or appropriateness. > > I have been using Fractint since v8, on a succession of PCs. All went well until the > latest 'upgrade', when I lost my trusty Trident graphics card and acquired a > Diamond Stealth 2000 Pro . Now I cannot seem to find a decent mode to run Fractint > in! The VESA selections in Fractint.cfg do not work, and the Truecolor modes > produce nothing but a shade of dark blue. I can run using the b/w, and ultra.low res > modes - but I -really- like using 800x600 and 1024x768 modes. > > Is there anybody out there in the fractal multiverse who has succeeded in > persuading Fractint 19.6 to do anything useful on this kind of hardware? This is very strange. I have a Stealth 3D 2000 Pro (which, I take it, is the same as a Stealth 2000 Pro) and it works perfectly with Fractint. I can even get the 1600X1200 Stealth V mode to work.BTW, you're SUPPOSED to get dark blue in the truecolor modes, at least for this release. The programmers haven't fully implemented it yet, so you only get the first 256 colors out of the full color range. There was a way to test the truecolor mode, but I forgot what to set debug= to to get it. Anyway, I have to go to class now. Sorry I can't help you much. Justin K. "I only use Windows because: 1. Solaris isn't available for a PC :( 2. I can't afford a Sun and I'd have to buy a server AND a workstation (I think) :( :*( :^( 3. When's the last time YOU saw an X-Windows app in your local software store?! ;)" - -Me Justin Kolodziej is 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ End of fractint Digest V1 #29 ***************************** To subscribe to fractint Digest, send the command: subscribe fractint-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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