From: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com (fractint-digest) To: fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: fractint-digest V1 #150 Reply-To: fractint-digest Sender: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk fractint-digest Wednesday, April 1 1998 Volume 01 : Number 150 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 02:29:19 -0800 (PST) From: "James R. McKenzie" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Use of Fractal Images That doesn't bother me, as long as Roman Polanski doesn't lose another wife! (Jeez, I know that's cruel! :) ) Pete |I've heard of people (lifeforms?) worshipping the Mandelbrot set... in science |fiction. Don't know where I heard that; perhaps on this very list? I won't |even speculate on the actual existence of such a cult. :-) Justin, you forgot to mention your "Evil Scientist/Mathematician" laff. Send flames to me not the list. James R. McKenzie _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:01:40 +0200 From: "Thaddaeus Parker" Subject: Re: (fractint) sci.fractals I am new to this. I find the conversations very enlightening... Although I have used Fractint on and off for the past 9 years I have found the newest versions exciting. I would like to know how to get hooked up to the sci.fractals server. I've heard it mentioned so many times but am unable to find it. Could someone help. I would appreciate it. Tango, - -----Original Message----- From: davides To: fractint@lists.xmission.com Date: Sunday, March 29, 1998 22:52 Subject: Re: (fractint) sci.fractals >At 10:53 AM 3/29/98 -0800, you wrote: >>Just curious: there is talk on sci.fractals of moderating that list (the >>guy who wrote the FAQ has offered to do it but wants two co-moderators) >>because of the insane SPAM. Wld people be more likely to post? Or wld it >>just kill the list for good? Does anyone care? > >I used to check in on that group every once in a while, and it used to be >very interesting. The spam business....yeah, I care. >davides@pipeline.com >Back up my hard drive? >How do I put it in reverse? > >- >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:29:52 -0700 From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) sci.fractals In article <003e01bd5b5e$4593a7c0$24f084c1@msgdet> , "Thaddaeus Parker" writes: > I would like to know how to get hooked up to the sci.fractals server. I've > heard it mentioned so many times but am unable to find it. Could someone > help. I would appreciate it. sci.fractals is a newsgroup on usenet. Here's a general explanation of usenet dejanews.com is a web gateway to usenet as well as an archive: - -- Rich Thomson rthomson@ptc.com - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:31:16 -0600 From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) sci.fractals Hi Team Fractals: I've read with great interest the comments from some of you pertaining to the way sci.fractals has recently turned into a garbage heap. Being a frequent visitor to the newsgroup myself, I too am saddened with the happenings there. There is another newsgroup for fractals which has gone unused in recent years. It's bit.listserv.frac-l. Some time ago I posted a "is anybody there?" message and got a couple of responses from the college set. Outside of the discussion that resulted from these contacts, basically exchanging information about ourselves, there was no talk about fractals. And yet, up until around March, 1994, there were loads of informative messages, many of which contained exchanges of formula and parameter files for Fractint, which have been archived at a Web site whose address I don't have at hand at the moment. Quite a bit of what we're discussing here was talked about back then, hardware, software, uses of fractals in science, business and industry, etc. The owner of the list has kept the Usenet group open but it appears that everyone has drifted away to sci.fractals. Maybe now is the time for them to return to their fractal roots at frac-l? Bob "Eight-Cylinder Fractals" Margolis - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:42:42 -0500 (EST) From: Ian Kaplan Subject: Re: (fractint) sci.fractals > There is another newsgroup for fractals which has gone unused in recent > years. It's bit.listserv.frac-l. Some time ago I posted a "is anybody > there?" message and got a couple of responses from the college set. > Outside of the discussion that resulted from these contacts, basically > exchanging information about ourselves, there was no talk about > fractals. In my experience the bit. newsgroups and listservs associated with them are no longer very widely distributed. Particularly to those outside the college. set... - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:06:00 -0800 From: "Jay Hill" Subject: (fractint) F.O.T.N. (Fractal of the Night) 1 Apr 1998 (Bwwwaaahaahahahaha!) F.O.T.N. (Fractal of the Night) 1 Apr 1998 (Bwwwaaahaahahahaha!) Bwwwaaahaahahahaha!!! Finally, I've gotten through to the Internet. Bwwwaaahaahahahaha! Does Dr. J need that Jay Hill? NO! I don't need him. He claims to be too busy with his work to attend to my comm needs, er requirements. I'm the great Dr. J, the so called Mad Scientist of Fractal Space. I am here, and here I am. Bwwwaaahaahahahaha! Remember FotN, Feb 28, 1998 (Satellite Dish)? Well some were wondering what it was for. Wonder no more. It is my link to the Internet. Bwwwaaahaahahahaha! Now, as you can see, I have sent out to you all one of my pictures to prove it is me. Now if I can just get the color synch to work... Maybe I can get the rest of the bugs worked out when I get untangled from the Fractal Jello. Bwwwaaahaahahahaha! http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/FotN/FotN64.html Figure 1. Bwwwaaahaahahahaha! Now, a little math. Please consult background analysis... Forget the math, I'm free. On the net. Bwwwaaahaahahahaha! April fools! Dr. J PS. If you get out your Red/Blue FractoGlasses, you can see two fractals in this picture! The parameter and formula files for Fractint are included below. Copy them into a quickie.par file for quick loading into Fractint. For longer term use, copy the 'frm:' block into a FotN.frm file. But this time leave off the 'frm:' part. Then copy the rest (the par parts) into your FotN.par file. Bwwwaaahaahahahaha { ; (C) Jay Hill, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=FotN.par formulaname=Bwwwaaahaahahahaha passes=1 center-mag=-1/-4.44089e-016/0.6666667/1/-90 params=-1.75/0/53.96900920217/0/0.25/0 float=y maxiter=256 inside=0 outside=summ symmetry=xaxis periodicity=0 colors=000w00<5>000<22>00a00c00c<29>\ 00v00w00w00w<158>00w000<23>000ww0w00\ w0000w000000 cyclerange=0/224 savename=Bwaahaha } frm:Bwwwaaahaahahahaha { ; Jay Hill, 1998 ; shift one midget over another, merge images ; p1 = shift of first midget ; p2 = scaling factor of first midget relative to second ; p3 = shift of second midget ; use outside=summ periodicity=0 passes=1float=y done = 1, z = 0, zc = c = (pixel+p3)*(1-whitesq) + (pixel/p2+p1)*whitesq ; component tests and set colors s=|c|, t1=(256*s - 96)*s + 32*Real(c), t2=16*s +32*Real(c) + 16 B=sqrt(-4*c-7), t3=|8+4*c*(1-B)|, t4=|8+4*c*(1+B)| z=z + 249*(t1<=3) + 250*(t2<=1) + 251*(t3<=1) + 252*(t4<=1) if(z>0) ; for periods 1, 2 and 3 done=-1 ; color is set for c in a component, skip iterations endif : zc=sqr(zc) + c ; standard MSet iteration if (|zc| >= 4) ; Bailout at 4 done=-1 ; Set flag to force an exit. endif done >= 0 ; Continue if the flag >=0. } - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:43:44 -0300 From: Fabian Labeau Subject: (fractint) Copywright and common sense Hello everybody: I=B4m not new at the list, I have been here since, I dunno, maybe a year more or less. I haven=B4t send any message to the list because of two valid reasons: 1) My math is almost zero. 2) English is not my native language (BTW, it=B4s spanish) 3) I=B4m still trying to learn to use Fractint. Yes, I know: these are three reasons, but take another look to the first point. Since I was in the list (enjoying myself with te pars, the fotd, and the KNOWLEDGE of every single artist, the subject of copyright have been taking place every three months or so. I love the work of Jim Muth, S. Gallet and all of you, but I think that we can make some common sense about this.=20 I think that a par posted in the list is property of the artist who posted it. This is something quite obvious. Maybe the artist have spend hours developing a formula and then hours again making a par accordingly to it. So, if I print one of S. Gallet pars and sold it I=B4m violating his= copyright. But, if I take her formula, and I search and zoom and rotate the palette and obtain another image...=BFwho is the owner? The big work have been done by Gallet, I have just merely play with Fractint... When I develope my BIG & SUPERB FRACTAL FORMULA, I want the credit for it. So...=BFnobody can ask a lawyer of the basics of copyright images made with Fractint? I can=B4t do that, since I live in a country that his Supreme Cour= t has dictaminated that software has not "intellectual property". Or in other words, I can copy Microsoft Office and use it (or copying to a friend) without paying a cent to Mr. Gates...(do you believe that?...it=B4s= amazing...) I=B4m a medical doctor, not a lawyer, but =BFnobody has a friend-cousin-uncle-father-lover-familiar who is a lawyer and ask him what are the "YOU CAN=A8T" and the "YOU MAY DO THIS"? Simple terms, for common people. Enumerated, preferably. And some examples too. And maybe post them in Spanish, French, Deutch, Portuguese, English, Japanese and Swahili. Lets say, like this: - -You can=B4t copy a formula - -You can=B4t copy a par, even if you rotate the pallette. - -You can make a zoom of a fractal, even if it=B4s another artist, etc, etc. Well, I=B4m going (hurra!) Sorry about my english ( "Me Tarzan, You Jane" English for Dummies, Zopilote Press, 1933)and my apologies for the large message. See you in Mandelbrot, if a=3Dpixel and z=3Dz^2+c. =20 =20 Saludos Fabian Labeau andros@impsat1.com.ar andros@interactive.com.ar flabeau@bigfoot.com http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/3792 - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:02:17 -0600 (CST) From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: (fractint) Secant Formula Variation comment { The recent posting by Ray Girvan of a secant method formula reminded me of an article I'd read about the method several years ago. I dug around and found it - it's THE METHOD OF SECANTS by John Dewey Jones in the journal of Computers & Graphics Vol. 15, No. 3, pp. 451-454, 1991. The article includes some images produced by the solution of sin(z) = 0 using unusual starting values for z0 and zi (z0 = pixel and z1 = flip(z0). I've modified the function to sin(z) - p3 = 0 and I use a variation of the atan rendering method. I've used a single range of colors in these images, which gives them a nice metallic look as well as a nice 3D effect. Paul Carlson } frm:Secant_Sin {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 ; ; F(w) = sin(w) - p3 ; ; p1 = convergence test distance (I use 0.00000001) ; p2 = relaxation factor ; p3 = equation constant ; w0 = pixel w1 = flip(w0) z = iter = bailout = w = 0 : ; f0 = sin(w0) - p3 f1 = sin(w1) - p3 w = w - p2 * f1 * (w1 - w0) / (f1 - f0) ; delta_w = w1 - w0 IF (|delta_w| < p1) angle = atan(imag(delta_w) / real(delta_w)) IF (delta_w >= 0) IF (imag(delta_w) < 0) angle = pi + angle ELSE angle = pi - angle ENDIF ELSEIF (imag(delta_w) > 0) angle = -angle ENDIF bailout = 1 z = 249 * angle/pi + 1 ENDIF w0 = w1; w1 = w, iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter bailout == 0 } secsinj1 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=secsin.frm formulaname=secant_sin passes=1 center-mag=-2.4869e-014/2.13163e-014/0.04439349 params=1e-008/0/0.3/0.3/0/0 float=y maxiter=256 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000wzw<248>AF5000<3>000 } secsinj2 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=secsin.frm formulaname=secant_sin passes=1 center-mag=2.80021/25.9078/1.99169 params=1e-008/0/0.3/0.3/3/0 float=y maxiter=256 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000wzw<248>AF5000<3>000 } secsinj3 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=secsin.frm formulaname=secant_sin passes=1 center-mag=-4.26326e-014/2.84217e-014/0.01632114 params=1e-008/0/0.1/0.1/0/0 float=y maxiter=256 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000wzw<248>AF5000<3>000 } secsinj4 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=secsin.frm formulaname=secant_sin passes=1 center-mag=-5.77316e-015/23.5405/0.3208584 params=1e-008/0/0.3/0.3/1/0 float=y maxiter=256 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000wzw<248>AF5000<3>000 } - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:38:46 -0700 (MST) From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: (fractint) Copyright: Some Pragmatic Thoughts Over the past several days, many philosophical and legal issues regarding copyright protection have been thrown around on the fractal-art and fractint mailing lists. This post addresses none of them. Rather, I present some thoughts I've had about the day-to-day realities of protecting one's artwork. These aren't necessarily recommendations, but more like suggestions, to be considered if one is serious about their fractal art. * Develop a style and get good at it. Of course, this is easier said than done. But having an artistic style makes your work more easily recognized, which can be important if you ever get into a "it's mine!" battle. You can then point to your body of work in the same general style as evidence of ownership. * Take good notes. Notes are a good way to keep track of where you've been and what you've tried. They also show a history of your work, which can also be used to defend your position. Sharon Webb illustrated this in a recent post wherein she listed the 347 reasons why a given fractal was hers, and probably not the same one that someone else made. And, if you're ever called on to explain your latest masterpiece to CNN or the New York Times, you've got a headstart. * Control your exposure. Rather than spamming the world with your latest creations, keep a limited portfolio on a relatively few sites. This, combined with your notes, will help you know where your work is going. Also, if you've got less work out there, you'll have less available to be stolen. Try to deal with reputable sites that you know. Make sure that you get the appropriate credit if your work is shown at someone else's site. * If you value your work, let it show. There's nothing wrong or immoral about placing copyright notices and/or your name on your work. Granted, it won't keep someone from stealing your art if they really want to, but it will help Elmo T. Clueless to know that it's not public domain. You might want to put copyright notices on your site, put a signature on your image, and/or include a digital watermark on the image. * Get paid. If you're so inclined, there's nothing wrong with asking for licensing fees or royalties if someone wants to use your stuff. If someone commissions you to create a fractal for them, ask for a rejection fee if they don't like it. We pay for just about everything else we use; your art doesn't have to be different. This may help establish you as a "professional" or "serious" artist. It may not help you protect your work, but it's always nice to cash the checks. :-) Kerry - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:07:22 -0600 From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) sci.fractals Thaddaeus Parker wrote: > > I would like to know how to get hooked up to the > sci.fractals server. I've heard it mentioned so > many times but am unable to find it. Could someone > help. I would appreciate it. > I don't know what Usenet Newsgroup services that USA Net offers, but if you can't find any of the following under your provider, then you should send them an email requesting that they be added. Newsgroups: news:alt.binaries.pictures.fractals news:alt.chaos news:alt.fractals news:alt.fractals.pictures news:bit.listserv.frac-l news:comp.theory.dynamic-sys news:geometry.software.dynamic news:sci.chaos news:sci.fractals news:sci.nonlinear news:sfnet.tiede.nonlinear news:uw.mail-list.fractals news:z-netz.alt.fractint Also, you might wish to use the following website that allows one to search through many of the Usenet Newsgroups by keyword, User E-mail, etc. http://www.dejanews.com/ Later, P.N.L. - ----------------------------------------------------- Use Paul.N.Lee instead of the NOSPAM when replying. - ----------------------------------------------------- http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/PNL_Fractals.html - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:08:52 -1000 From: "Shauna Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) 640K On 29 Mar 98 at 0:03, Paul Derbyshire wrote: > No, I'm not thinking of running it on some old > dinosaur or anything. Reason I ask is that someone > reported in sci.fractals that their Win 95 dos box only > sees 640K (which is normal when you don't set fancy > DPMI properties) and Fractint won't run. (I've run it > in an unembellished DOS box without any trouble, except > it might not be able to do disk video.) Depends on your video drivers. I haven't gotten it to run under W95; I get corrupted images even with the appropriate textsave settings. Yet it works fine running under OS/2 with the same hardware. Another blast of bits from David Visit our not-so-boring web page: http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/ Visit the Hawaii Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net Random Thought for this Nanosecond Dahmer to PeeWee: Quit playing with the food. - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:54:33 -0800 From: "Jay Hill" Subject: (fractint) Re: F.O.T.D., 31-03-98 (Symphony in P-flat) Jim wrote: >>I see that Dr. J is loose again on the internet. I heard his mad-scientist laughter the moment I signed on. I only hope he can keep himself firmly in three-space. We've been losing far too many good fractalists into the fourth dimension lately.<< Looks like his signal is gone... Just wait until I get my... >>As the doctor zipped past my place, he dropped off a fractal that looked like two M-sets, one on top of the other. To view the image properly, I needed my red and blue glasses. Luckily, I found them still tucked inside my "Fractal Creations" book. The glasses showed not two but three M-sets -- a red one that looks like a snowman and two overlapping blue sets. I had several questions to ask, but the doctor flashed away before I had a chance.<< I thought for a bit it was the long hours here at the navy lab where software tests continue. I'm taking a break, putting some eye drops in my eyes. Not sure if it is the software testing or the red-blue fractals..... Perhaps closer views using zooms into the image in question will settle the question. I made some preliminary looks and it may just be two fractals with the red one turning blue at its higher iterations. Now as for you, Dr. J, cross posting to all those list and my web account ... Good thing every day isn't April 1. :-) Jay - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 03:19:23 -0500 (EST) From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: F.O.T.D., 31-03-98 (Symphony in P-flat) Ah, I see you have gotten the main set and the biggest minibrot matched up nicely. Although there are slight differences in the form of the buds and dendrites so they don'tquite line up. >I thought for a bit it was the long hours here at the navy lab where >software tests continue. Navy lab?? - -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca pgd73@hotmail.com - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 03:36:41 -0500 (EST) From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: (fractint) Missing person? I haven't seen anything by "The Fractal Lady" in donkey's years. (Months anyways). Should I file a missing persons report? :-) ObFractals: How about a herman ring contest? Everyone find rings in hring.frm or nuclear.frm (hring.frm: use the Julia type, use p1 an irrational number on the unit circle, and the other Julia parameter, p2 I think, a large realnumber like 7 or -4,or perhaps a large imaginary number will work too. Nuclear: Harder, but draw a hring M-set and find a thread with buds on both sides like mirror images. Those have rings. Pick a point and find the coordinates; say, zoom and put the zoom box top leftcorner on the thread exactly, hit tab and look at the top left coordinates. If you used a mandelbrot 'a' type, write those down, then write the p2 value, then the p3 value; if a 'c' type write the p1 value, the coordinates, and the p3 value; if a 'k' type write the p1 value, the p2 value, and then the coordinates; then enter those in order as p1-p3 for one of the Julia rendering formulas.) and post the pars or mail me them, and I'll select the freakiest... :) - -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca pgd73@hotmail.com - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:43:16 -0800 From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: F.O.T.D., 31-03-98 (Symphony in P-flat) Paul wrote >slight differences in the form of the buds and dendrites so they don't quite line up. Yes, I was surprised to see the large differences. >Navy lab?? Yes, notice the email is from nosc.mil. Jay - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 03:44:07 -0500 (EST) From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: F.O.T.D., 31-03-98 (Symphony in P-flat) >Yes, notice the email is from nosc.mil. I saw a few like that. What do they have you doing there, breaking into Saddam Hussein's computer to spy on his email? - -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca pgd73@hotmail.com - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 06:57:59 -0500 From: Peter Jakubowicz Subject: Re: (fractint) Missing person? At 03:36 AM 4/1/98 -0500, you wrote: >How about a herman ring contest? i'm in. find some after work, i hope. is Herman pre-computer, like Julia? BTW, w/ my new video card, Diamond Fire GL 1000 Pro, i am only able to run Fractint at 640x480 and at 1600x1200 disk ram mode. is running it at higher rez hopeless. i think someone told me Sylive Gallet hacked a 1600x1200 mode for the Millenium card. how is this done? or if i have to ask, does it mean i can't do it? Quake looks lovely, but I haven't found any Herman rings there. - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:26:55 -0500 From: Hailman@prepnet.ucc.on.ca Subject: (fractint) Fun! With "Fractals Everywhere" I am working on an index of ALL the programs in every variation for fractals everywhere. I will keep you posted. - -- Robert Hailman, publisher of "Your Weekly Smile" - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 04:01:27 PST From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: (fractint) List archive What the hell's going on with the list archive? As of today, both my bookmark to it and the link from the listserv homepage hang every web client under the sun; they all say "contacting host" or "finding site" and sit until the cows come home. Internet Exploder adds a progress meter that creeps along at a snail's pace (but doesn't stall) and never does anything else. - -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca pgd73@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 04:04:21 PST From: "Paul Derbyshire" Subject: (fractint) Fractal Chat For the last two weeks, the fractal chat just comes up as a blank grey box. If the mouse pointer is moved over it the message "load: class ConferenceRoom" not found. It sounds as if some dolt has deleted a needed class from the JAR file... who would do that, and isn't there supposed to be password protection to ensure that only Blake Hyde can twiddle with the JAR file? - -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca pgd73@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:19:17 -0500 (EST) From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Missing person? >i'm in. find some after work, i hope. is Herman pre-computer, like Julia? Pre-computer??? Oh you mean the guy, was he around before the computer age? I have no idea. >BTW, w/ my new video card, Diamond Fire GL 1000 Pro, i am only able to run >Fractint at 640x480 and at 1600x1200 disk ram mode. is running it at higher >rez hopeless. Probably not. If you use a VESA driver (did the card come with one? If not, get UniVBE, but add something to your autoexec.bat like "date mm/dd/yy" with the current date the day you install it!) you should be able to use the "Works with most super VGA" modes. There is also the possibility of hacking fractint.cfg. > i think someone told me Sylive Gallet hacked a 1600x1200 mode >for the Millenium card. Quitepossible. Ask her. If she did, maybe she'll let you have a copy of her fractint.cfg. >how is this done? Hacking fractint.cfg. >or if i have to ask, does it mean i can't do it? Not without a lot of figuring out how fractint.cfg works :-) >Quake looks lovely, but I haven't found any Herman rings there. Aha, so that's why you got a fancy 3d card . As for Herman rings in Quake, well, someone (possibly myself) might one day make a custom map with a custom texture with a fractal...perhaps a Herman ring. Keep your eyes peeled... - -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca pgd73@hotmail.com - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:12:50 -0500 (EST) From: Ian Kaplan Subject: Re: (fractint) Missing person? > > BTW, w/ my new video card, Diamond Fire GL 1000 Pro, i am only able to run > Fractint at 640x480 and at 1600x1200 disk ram mode. is running it at higher > rez hopeless. i think someone told me Sylive Gallet hacked a 1600x1200 mode > for the Millenium card. how is this done? or if i have to ask, does it mean > i can't do it? Quake looks lovely, but I haven't found any Herman rings > there. > The problem sounds like a lack of VESA drivers. Try: a) Upgrading to the latest drivers for your card from Diamond. b) Searching Diamond's website for info on DOS VESA drivers for your card. c) A program called Scitech Display Doctor, which also provides said drivers. I believe it can be found at www.shareware.com, among other places. Luck! - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:14:50 -0500 From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) Missing person? Hi Peter, >> i think someone told me Sylive Gallet hacked a 1600x1200 mode for the >> Millenium card. how is this done? or if i have to ask, does it mean i >> can't do it? I used a small freeware called vesa2cfg.exe that detects all the VESA modes supported by your video card. Just run it and it will create a tex= t file called qpv.cfg. Each line of this file describes one of the VESA modes available. For example, my qpv.cfg has the following line: 1600 1200 256 1600 $4f02 $011c that means: 1600x1200 256 colors AX=3D4f02 BX=3D11c And here is the entry I added to fractint.cfg: CF9 ,Millennium VESA mode ,4f02, 11C, 0, 0, 28,1600,1200,256,OK:= Sylvie Gallet I can email vesa2cfg.zip to anyone interested, just ask. Cheers, - Sylvie - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:12:50 -0500 (EST) From: Ian Kaplan Subject: Re: (fractint) Missing person? > > BTW, w/ my new video card, Diamond Fire GL 1000 Pro, i am only able to run > Fractint at 640x480 and at 1600x1200 disk ram mode. is running it at higher > rez hopeless. i think someone told me Sylive Gallet hacked a 1600x1200 mode > for the Millenium card. how is this done? or if i have to ask, does it mean > i can't do it? Quake looks lovely, but I haven't found any Herman rings > there. > The problem sounds like a lack of VESA drivers. Try: a) Upgrading to the latest drivers for your card from Diamond. b) Searching Diamond's website for info on DOS VESA drivers for your card. c) A program called Scitech Display Doctor, which also provides said drivers. I believe it can be found at www.shareware.com, among other places. Luck! - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:38:06 -0600 (CST) From: Nhan H Nguyen Subject: Re: (fractint) Copywright and common sense This does not pertain to fractals but about the authors I thought Sylvie Galette was female??? I've also known the name "Noel" to belong to a female acquaintence. Guess any name can go both ways. I'm male as well. Just a realization for me. - -Nhan Nguyen a.k.a. Lavondyss http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nguy0505/fractals.htm - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ End of fractint-digest V1 #150 ******************************