From: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com (glencook-fans-digest) To: glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: glencook-fans-digest V1 #51 Reply-To: glencook-fans-digest Sender: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk glencook-fans-digest Sunday, November 5 2000 Volume 01 : Number 051 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 02:09:45 -0500 (EST) From: Igor Filippov Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) comparison, Cook & Martin Steve, There's no argument about "Lord of Rings" being a Great Book, I treasure Tolkien among the three greatest sf/fantasy masters there are (guess who the other two are ? :) - Cook and Zelazny - in my personal universe anyway :))) ); my argument was about Robert Jordan and the likes of him... I would never put Jordan in the same sentence with Tolkien... Oops, I just did...Just shows how futile my arguments are :) Igor On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Steve Harris wrote: > Igor, > > I didn't say that characters can't develop and grow in High > Fantasy--just that they are pretty well unalloyed in morality, either > Good or Evil. Gollum, of course, is quite clearly alloyed of two > metals--but they don't intermix (as they do in Lady or Soul Catcher or > Goblin), they come as virutally separate personalities. And even so, > Gollum is the least High-Fantasay-type character in Tolkien. > > (Boromir, however is another matter: He *is* intermixed, in a way that > Gollum isn't. And yet, he still seems to me to fit the prescriptions > for High Fantasy; maybe because he's a recognized Type, the Good Man > with Too Much Pride and Ego?) > > That's not all there is to the distinguishment of High Fantasy from > other fantasy; there's a good deal to be found in Leguin's _Languages of > the Night_, where she points out that how the characters speak is pretty > much a dead give-away. Can you imagine Croaker speaking in Frodo's > voice? No one in the BC would listen to him! Or Gandalf using > One-Eye's habits of speech? He'd never have been admitted to the White > Council :) This is part of what makes _Bored of the Rings_ such fun parody. > > It's not actually the formality of speech I'm referring to here, but the > content of what people choose to talk about (i.e., the author chooses > for us to overhear). Lady speaks of her low opinions of everybody else > and her general cynism, while Croaker goes on about his romantic > fantasies for Lady or shares his very colorful frustrations with trying > to Captain a couple of wizards with egos. But you never hear a word > from Strider on the worthlessness of those he's protecting or the > frailties of those he's trying to work with--it just wouldn't be fitting > to find that kind of consideration in the work. > > Steve > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 02:15:59 -0500 (EST) From: Igor Filippov Subject: Re: Passage At Arms (was:Re: (glencook-fans) comparison, Cook & Martin) Thank you, David, I didn't know that ! All I remembered was that Mr. Cook worked for GM assembling trucks or something... Sorry for asking a question that was already answered in the FAQ :) Igor On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, David George wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Igor Filippov > To: > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 2:34 PM > Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) comparison, Cook & Martin > > > (snip) > > > I wonder if Mr. Cook has any kind of Navy experience, his description > > of life on a space "u-boat" sounds amazingly realistic ! > > (snip) > > GC served on a destroyer, among other places. Which makes even more sense > after you read Heirs of Babylon. Details should be in the faq and also in > the interviews on the web site. > > I agree with you about Passage, great read. In part, the quality of Passage > at Arms was what made it harder for me to get into the Starfishers > trilogy--it is good, especially once you get farther into it, but I found it > much easier to get into Passage. The hardest part about Starfishers for me > was probably the first 50 to 100 pages of the first book. I was reading it > wondering who is this guy and what did he do with Glen Cook? I put it aside > for a few years and then picked it up later and thought "Oh, wait, now I see > it, this is not bad." The second and third books are better still. But > Passage is the best of the bunch. > > DG > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 16:35:11 +0100 From: "Marcin Welnicki" Subject: (glencook-fans) Wizards in the Black Company saga This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C04746.5DD1FEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to present a contest: Who was the most ass-kicking wizard in the BC saga? And saying a name isn't enought- u must say WHY you think that. Marcin Mocker Welnicki =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C04746.5DD1FEA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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