From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) Prized Possessions Date: 01 May 1997 07:24:53 EDT On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:43:33 -0400 (EDT) BDay0000@aol.com writes: >Not to stray too far off topic, but, I was wondering what CD each one >of us >may own that we would never let out of our site. A few come to mind just because they were hard to find: 1) Railway Children - Recurrence 2) House of Love - self-titled first album 3) Men Without Hats - 2-fer :) Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: (hats) It bothers me 2 Date: 01 May 1997 09:13:57 -0400 Steven Enz wrote: > As for the reduction of words into numbers and letters. Ivan is doing > this for a reason which may not be immediately obvious to us. Whatever that reason may be, he is certainly evoking Prince, who did this consistently, starting with the _Purple_Rain_ album and continuing until today, and was also well known for it. I just don't like the idea that Ivan's pretty obviously copping someone else; it seems cheap. Unless it's a tribute or something. *shrug* -- Adam J Weitzman "What is is, Individual, Inc. What is not is possible." weitzman@individual.com - Einstuerzende http://www.individual.com Neubauten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniele Rossi Subject: (hats) The End Date: 01 May 1997 14:08:26 -0400 (EDT) >(Which reminds me: I once recorded Freeways from 45 to cassette, and >accidentally left the speed on 33. What I got was one of the neatest >songs I've ever heard. Try it, and tell me what you think.) I have got to try that sometime! Which 45 is that on? >art in Pop just blows me away. The first time I heard Lose My Way I >almost cried. Ditto for The End. Am I alone in this? Am I alone? I felt a little sad when I heard "The End (of the World)". I imagined the people of the Earth celebrating (for some reason) the fact that Earth lasted so long and all the things we accomplished. I pictured matadors, monkeys, and a million balloons and everyone enjoying themselves. And even world peace! What a picture Ivan painted. So of course I started to think about how the world would actually end. How depressing. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniele Rossi Subject: (hats) PGTW and other things Date: 01 May 1997 14:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Oops, I accidentally sent this privately to someone, so I will resend it tot he list again. Sorry! >>"Moonbeam" and "Pop Goes the World" are typical pop fare, but the rest >>of the album is fabulous. Those who doubt it's power, program your CD > >I may have misunderstood the intent of the topic, but I'll give my opinion anyway :) I don't think "Moonbeam" and "PGTW" are typical pop songs. They sound almost like lyrics to children's songs and the videos! (I am not saying they are bad, I love them!). I doubt a record company would let them release those songs instead of or before "O Sole Mio" and "Walk On Water". For the life of me I don't know why "Walk On Water" wasn't released. Now that sounds like a typical pop song. Maybe PGTW and Moonbeam were released because they were so different to their previously released songs? > >As for Ivan using profanity in his current album, I haven't read the lyrics yet but I will try to give my thoughts on the topic. I realized that the meaning of "Oh My G-d" is lost today. I've noticed people automatically use it without a second thought. I doubt they actually mean to use God's name in vain. Look at the "bloody" term. The origin is "by our Lady", meaning Mary, the Madonna. Today who actually acknowledges that? Personally, I lothe "Oh my G-d" and wish people would stop but being a linguist as hobby, I've noticed rerally it's "just an overused term" that lost it's meaning today. > >One more thing, about Ivan writing "2" instead of "to", I just remembered on the cassette of "PGTW" the lyrics to the song were written with symbols like 2, 4, a heart for love, the symbol of Earth for world. So I think maybe Ivan is just having some fun writing the lyrics that way. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Enz Subject: Re: (hats) It bothers me 2 Date: 01 May 1997 09:22:25 -0700 > > As for the reduction of words into numbers and letters. Ivan is doing > > this for a reason which may not be immediately obvious to us. > > Whatever that reason may be, he is certainly evoking Prince, who did > this consistently, starting with the _Purple_Rain_ album and continuing > until today, and was also well known for it. I just don't like the idea > that Ivan's pretty obviously copping someone else; it seems cheap. > Unless it's a tribute or something. *shrug* A tribute!! Not likely. I have a theory that Ivan is rather disappointed with the state of pop music (and who can blame him) and is MOCKING it! For example Ivan's early work shows he believes in substance and meaning and not image. But PGTW is very heavily image driven. This was purposely done to draw our attention to this problem with pop music. The same goes for the lyrics of Spell. He is really over doing it, to the point where it makes you think (emphasize: "makes you think") how anybody could see this as being clever or intelligent. It's really commenting on the current sorry state of pop lyrics (and yet he manages to keep meaningful song throughout this mockery). And since your attention has been drawn to this problem of numbers and letters, guess what? It's working, isn't it? Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Woody Zenfell Subject: (hats) Stuff Date: 01 May 1997 13:47:29 -0500 (CDT) 1) I ordered 2 CD's and got one of them so far. You're not alone. 2) A couple clarifications: By 'contempt' for the later albums I just meant a sort of 'unsatisfaction' :) with them for seeming somewhat less honest and more 'produced' than the FOTE trilogy. Contempt is doubtless too strong a word, so I tried to weaken it by putting it in quotes, but the sense of it is still kind of wrong. I do like almost all of PGTW, and think it's a really well-put-together album with every track a strong one. I also like a couple of the tracks on 21st c., and I maybe even kind of like 2 or so from Sideways. My problem is that the stuff starting at PGTW and continuing from there seems to be 'stifled' somehow by Ivan's changing of himself to form some image in an attempt to appeal to more people or seem 'deeper'. In fact I think this served to have the opposite effect on me - the early works have some sort of simple honesty that the rest don't; they're very believable and 'true'. As a result they seem very meaningful. The later works seem to be more flimsy surface in an attempt to be something that's not. They seem increasingly 'false' to me. I feel disappointed in the directions taken and ashamed when my friends see the video stuff and come away thinking MwH were just another 80's band, pretending to make some stand on some issue that was popular that year. For me the essence of MwH is the FOTE trilogy, and far too few people are willing or able to see that (I don't mean people on the list here; I mean non-MwH people) because there were so many more resources pumped into promoting the later images. I also dislike the '2' and '4' and '+' substitutes, mostly because I think of them as being very 'junior-high-school' phenomena. Maybe that's the direction someone is trying to take with Ivan's image now: bright colors, stars, and that bit. It's along the same lines as my previous paragraph. It's just too contrived. It seems like a transition happened around PGTW from being an 'innovator' to being an 'imitator'. Early MwH style or 'image' is difficult to nail down because it's so unique. It's much easier to 'classify' the later stuff. Anyway, enough griping for now :) Thanks for your patience. (or should I say thanx 4 ur patience.. no, I didn't think so.) Woody # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Turtle Subject: Re: (hats) PGTW Date: 01 May 1997 14:49:08 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Eric Soderblom wrote: > What???? > How could someone suggest that there is something missing from PGTW? > And THEN to say that they became record company puppets? I think that > PGTW is one of the best produced albums I have ever come across, and > that it is Men Without Hats best (along with ROY). I will admit that > "Moonbeam" and "Pop Goes the World" are typical pop fare, but the rest > of the album is fabulous. Those who doubt it's power, program your CD > player to skip tracks 2 & 8, then judge for yourself. > > Eric > > > Finally, someone with balls enough to say that they truely love PGTW. Eric, I commend you. What, and this is a question to everyone, do you feel about "On Tuesday"? That song is held almost #1 in my heart. The flute, the message, the sadness, the joy, all combined into one beautiful song. ***************************************************************** * King Dave of the Turtles - davall01@morehead-st.edu * ***************************************************************** * "Chacka Bracka Allen Caw, Ain't Nuthin' But A Frog Hop" * * -Turtle- * ***************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugo Bugg" Subject: (hats) Batting Eyes Date: 01 May 1997 14:35:01 -0400 Hi i'm batting my eyes to IVANz lyrics. I don't get the hype. It's not like he said FUCK or SHIT or anything to that degree. I kinda wish he did. That F.P.O.S!! bugg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Turtle Subject: Re: (hats) The End Date: 01 May 1997 14:55:06 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 1 May 1997, Daniele Rossi wrote: > >(Which reminds me: I once recorded Freeways from 45 to cassette, and > >accidentally left the speed on 33. What I got was one of the neatest > >songs I've ever heard. Try it, and tell me what you think.) > > I have got to try that sometime! Which 45 is that on? > > >art in Pop just blows me away. The first time I heard Lose My Way I > >almost cried. Ditto for The End. Am I alone in this? Am I alone? > > I felt a little sad when I heard "The End (of the World)". I imagined the > people of the Earth celebrating (for some reason) the fact that Earth lasted > so long and all the things we accomplished. I pictured matadors, monkeys, > and a million balloons and everyone enjoying themselves. And even world > peace! What a picture Ivan painted. So of course I started to think about > how the world would actually end. How depressing. > > > > The End makes me cry as well. I will never forget my friend asking me,"what song is it that goes 'The end of the world." I looked at him and said "the end of the world." and he looke dat me and said "Where is it(on the cd)" and I simply said "the end" . But now he is dead and every time I hear that song, I cry and remember him and think, "Will we all meet again at the end of the world?" ***************************************************************** * King Dave of the Turtles - davall01@morehead-st.edu * ***************************************************************** * "Chacka Bracka Allen Caw, Ain't Nuthin' But A Frog Hop" * * -Turtle- * ***************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Re: (hats) It bothers me 2 Date: 01 May 1997 15:29:30 -0400 Steven Enz wrote: > > > Whatever that reason may be, he is certainly evoking Prince, who did > > this consistently, starting with the _Purple_Rain_ album and continuing > > until today, and was also well known for it. I just don't like the idea > > that Ivan's pretty obviously copping someone else; it seems cheap. > > Unless it's a tribute or something. *shrug* > > A tribute!! Not likely. I have a theory that Ivan is rather > disappointed with the state of pop music (and who can blame him) and is > MOCKING it! I have a theory that you're giving him entirely too much credit. If it was the case in one song, then I might buy it, but doing it across the whole album is another matter entirely. Besides, Prince wrote some of the most inspiring, playful, unusual and meaningful lyrics and music out there (for "pop" songs anyways), so to use his style to make a statement about the banality of pop music would be entirely inconsistent. > For example Ivan's early work shows he believes in > substance and meaning and not image. But PGTW is very heavily image > driven. This was purposely done to draw our attention to this problem > with pop music. Don't assume that everyone on this list accepts these assertions as fact. While _PGTW_ undeniably consists of a number of statements about pop culture, I think the only distinction between it and the first two albums is the obviousness and pervasiveness of those statements. > The same goes for the lyrics of Spell. He is really > over doing it, to the point where it makes you think (emphasize: "makes > you think") how anybody could see this as being clever or intelligent. > It's really commenting on the current sorry state of pop lyrics (and yet > he manages to keep meaningful song throughout this mockery). And since > your attention has been drawn to this problem of numbers and letters, > guess what? It's working, isn't it? Is it really too much to suggest that sometimes he writes serious songs and sometimes he writes silly songs? Not everything is part of a grand concept. The use of U's and 4's is, essentially, a cute idea that conceptually invokes Prince, and if it was used in only one song, I might see your point, but seeing as it's used in every song but one, I can't see how it could be making the statement you're suggesting. -- Adam J Weitzman "What is is, Individual, Inc. What is not is possible." weitzman@individual.com - Einstuerzende http://www.individual.com Neubauten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARBOWSKI JR CHARLES R Subject: (hats) substance vs. image Date: 01 May 1997 16:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Some of the more recent entries I've seen on this list have been talking about MWH early stuff vs. new stuff and substance vs. image. Let me first say that these are not mutually exclusive. While I, myself, like a song that has substance to it and carries a meaning that goes farther than lyrics like "I like big butts and I cannot lie...", image has its place. Images are very important in artistry and, in fact, is what much art is based on. All visual art (painting, sculpture, etc.) is based in image. Arts like the theatre often strive to portray images. Literature especially, which of course is where lyrics are based, and particularly poety, again where lyrics are often based, TRY to portray images. It might very well be that in shooting for images in some of the MWH work mentioned, some substance was lost. People aren't experts the first time they play with something. MWH might very well have been striving to achieve a balance between the two. I find music is best when it has substance and yet combines that with images that paint a picture or meaning in my mind. Charlie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: * Subject: (hats) Re: [Fwd: (Bill's) Profanity/trashy language] Date: 01 May 1997 16:14:49 -0500 Bill writes: "in reality, trashy language merely shows a lack of vocabulary skills" maybe you could explain to us what "clean" lyrics are.... i guess Ivans "trashy lyrics" are... ummm... "dirty" ? Too Bad Ivans choice of lyrical content/expression "saddens" and "disgusts" you... ...can we say freedom of speech Bill ?!! R E L A X !!!! Wolfgang # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Turtle Subject: Re: (hats) Prized Possessions Date: 01 May 1997 16:15:19 -0400 (EDT) > On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:43:33 -0400 (EDT) BDay0000@aol.com writes: > >Not to stray too far off topic, but, I was wondering what CD each one > >of us > >may own that we would never let out of our site. > What would I keep? Shit, I suppose, and in no certain order: 1. Madness -Mad Box 1- 2. Matthew Sweet -Supervixen- (Very rare) 3. Cure -Staring at the Sea- Kinda eclectic, huh? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Turtle Subject: Re: (hats) Stuff Date: 01 May 1997 16:08:11 -0400 (EDT) > > I do like almost all of PGTW, and think it's a really well-put-together > album with every track a strong one. I also like a couple of the tracks > on 21st c., and I maybe even kind of like 2 or so from Sideways. My > problem is that the stuff starting at PGTW and continuing from there seems > to be 'stifled' somehow by Ivan's changing of himself to form some image > in an attempt to appeal to more people or seem 'deeper'. In fact I think > this served to have the opposite effect on me - the early works have some > sort of simple honesty that the rest don't; they're very believable and > 'true'. As a result they seem very meaningful. The later works seem to > be more flimsy surface in an attempt to be something that's not. They > seem increasingly 'false' to me. I feel disappointed in the directions > taken and ashamed when my friends see the video stuff and come away > thinking MwH were just another 80's band, pretending to make some stand > on some issue that was popular that year. For me the essence of MwH is > the FOTE trilogy, and far too few people are willing or able to see that > (I don't mean people on the list here; I mean non-MwH people) because > there were so many more resources pumped into promoting the later images. Who is to say what is Ivan's true honesty in his writing? Maybe his true self is much deeper than what he lets on to others. I mean, hey, I am an English major going into the field of teaching creative writing (especially poetry), and if you look at my earlier stuff, sure it is decent, but as compared to what I have written lately, it holds no feather. What i am writing now IS deep, IS honest to myself, and IS like what Ivan wrote in PGTW. Did you ever think that something may have happened in his life that caused him to reflect back on his own inner self and realize where his mind must take him? > > I also dislike the '2' and '4' and '+' substitutes, mostly because I > think of them as being very 'junior-high-school' phenomena. Maybe that's > the direction someone is trying to take with Ivan's image now: bright > colors, stars, and that bit. It's along the same lines as my previous > paragraph. It's just too contrived. > I agree there, however. > It seems like a transition happened around PGTW from being an 'innovator' > to being an 'imitator'. Early MwH style or 'image' is difficult to nail > down because it's so unique. It's much easier to 'classify' the later stuff. > Imitating, hardly. Albeit "Pop Goes the World" and "Moonbeam" did sort of become a sell-out to the conformity of Pop Culture in sound and style, but not in emotion or depth. Imitating, yeah right. ***************************************************************** * King Dave of the Turtles - davall01@morehead-st.edu * ***************************************************************** * "Chacka Bracka Allen Caw, Ain't Nuthin' But A Frog Hop" * * -Turtle- * ***************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" Subject: Re: (hats) Profanity Date: 01 May 1997 16:58:13 +0000 [Laura dons her flame-retardant suit] Hmm, I'm no religion major, but ... Judge not lest ye be judged and/or Let he who is without sin cast the first stone ??? First, let me say I respect Bill's convictions and would not deny him the strength that he finds in his belief system. But I will add that Ivan is an *artist* after all, and I feel his works should be viewed/heard in context and as a whole rather than judged on the basis of the inclusion of one or two words or images or symbols. :-) Forever and ever, Laura... supporter of the First Amendment (which, as the architect of both North Carolina's US History and Civics tests, I would like to point out includes both freedom of speech and free exercise of religion) and the Arts even though I live in the Land O Jesse [Helms] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Jackson Subject: (hats) Looks Like I Got My Wish Date: 01 May 1997 16:42:16 -0400 Hello, again everyone! I think I got my wish of having the digestified version of this list sent out on a daily basis (almost). Yup, lots of discussion going on here! That's good to see. As for the one or so CD I would grab if my house were going up in flames? I'd have to think about that one. I like so many... I would definitely grab the 2-4-1 CD (how's THAT for emulating Prince? ;-) That reminds me: I only recently got Folk of the Eighties (Part III) on vinyl. I wanted to record it on tape, but I couldn't find a record player that worked, and for the longest time, I thought that it was just the record player making the voices sound funny in "Mother's Opinion"... ("Sounds familiar, but it doesn't sound the same..." - how silly of me!) Either that, or Carl's tape deck or CD player had the same problem as my record player... Steve -- voice:404-876-3209 x104 | "We're here a short while, fax:404-876-3809 | And a long time gone." mailto:sj@synchrologic.com | - "One Armed Frank" http://www.synchrologic.com | # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: (hats) Re: [Fwd: (Bill's) Profanity/trashy language] Date: 01 May 1997 17:55:18 EDT On Thu, 01 May 1997 16:14:49 -0500 * writes: >Too Bad Ivans choice of lyrical content/expression "saddens" and >"disgusts" you... > >...can we say freedom of speech Bill ?!! > >R E L A X !!!! Ummm...isn't that sort of contradictory? Bill has the freedom to speak out against it too. Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) Prized Possessions Date: 01 May 1997 17:55:18 EDT On Thu, 1 May 1997 16:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Turtle writes: > >> On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:43:33 -0400 (EDT) BDay0000@aol.com writes: >> >Not to stray too far off topic, but, I was wondering what CD each >one >> >of us >> >may own that we would never let out of our site. >> >What would I keep? Shit, I suppose, and in no certain order: > >1. Madness -Mad Box 1- > >2. Matthew Sweet -Supervixen- (Very rare) > >3. Cure -Staring at the Sea- Staring at the Sea? Wasn't that the video compilation? Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William Black" Subject: RE: (hats) quick straw poll... Date: 01 May 1997 16:31:43 UT I'm still waiting for mine and I mailed my cash directly to Thomas back in February I think. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) quick straw poll... Date: 01 May 1997 17:55:18 EDT I got only one of the two I ordered. Rod [NOTICE: This message was delayed on its way to the list because it contained excess quoted text, which has been automatically removed. To prevent this from happening to your messages, be sure to include as little text as possible from the message you are responding to.] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (hats) Stuff Date: 01 May 1997 18:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Hey Hats List, I've been following the topics, and I've noticed that people are commenting on early versus late MWH, influences, and so forth. Here's a few things to think about. I'd like to hear what people say. 1) In "Pop Goes the World," right after Ivan sings, "In some disco dancing all night," there is an electronic octave beep that is taken from the extended version of "The Safety Dance." 2) In "Life After Diamond Head," isn't that the same sliding, up-and-down, electronic line from "The End of the World"? 3) On "KENBARBIELOVE," doesn't it sound a lot like The Beatles singing "Can't Buy Me Love"? 4) Is the Mike Scott who co-produced "Sideways" the Mike Scott from The Waterboys? 5) And, finally, Dave Turtle. You're going to be a creative writing professor? So am I. I'm at SUNY Binghamton in Binghamton, NY, and I'm halfway through the MA Creative Writing Program. What's it like at Morehead St.? Is that where you are? Where's Morehead St., anyway? Do you like it there? SUNY Binghamton's kind of weird. Most of the creative writing seminars I've been involved in are less like reading your work to a class and a professor and more like jumping into a pirahna pool with a side of beef over your head. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William Black" Subject: (hats) Cd's in the Mail Date: 01 May 1997 23:13:23 UT Mere hours after I said I hadn't received my CD, it showed up in the mail!!! THANKS A MILLION THOMAS AND LAURA!!!!!!! Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ElKrupla@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) the CD.. and integrity Date: 01 May 1997 19:39:01 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-05-01 00:13:53 EDT, you write: << One thing about the new Ivan album that bothers me is the way the number "2" is used for "to" in the lyrics. Reminds me of Prince or something... >> That's what I thought! I usually don't have too much of a problem with things like that, but I copied the lyrics over to a text file and switched the 2s and u's back to standard English. Dave K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael R. Ward" Subject: (hats) religion and albums Date: 01 May 1997 19:46:54 -0400 (EDT) i have to agree with the person that was dissappointed with the negative religious comments in ivan's newer works. i think he makes his point better without it. that doesnt mean i dont think there is an occasional use for a occasional off-color word to set a tone (re: title track from o.m.d.'s "crush" lp.) but it doesnt work very well in the context of these new songs. (2) i am surprised how different my tastes are then some others in the group about favorites. i love sideways, p.g.t.w., freeways, and the first one. i cannot even listen to adventures, and folk. i have warmed to everything but these. (3) if i had three cds on an island it would be gary numan "dream corrosion", nitzer ebb "showtime", and bryan ferry "in your mind". michael # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." Subject: Re: (hats) Stuff Date: 01 May 1997 20:25:25 -0500 (CDT) On Thu, 1 May 1997 bf20511@binghamton.edu wrote: > I've been following the topics, and I've noticed that people are > commenting on early versus late MWH, influences, and so forth. Here's a > few things to think about. I'd like to hear what people say. > 1) In "Pop Goes the World," right after Ivan sings, "In some disco > dancing all night," there is an electronic octave beep that is taken from > the extended version of "The Safety Dance." Yep, a well known fact. > 2) In "Life After Diamond Head," isn't that the same sliding, > up-and-down, electronic line from "The End of the World"? Dunno about this one. I'll have to re-listen. > 3) On "KENBARBIELOVE," doesn't it sound a lot like The Beatles > singing "Can't Buy Me Love"? Yep, the title of the song was a play on the Beatles song. It seems that Ivan or someone thought they were singing KenBarbieLove when he first heard it. > Where's Morehead St., anyway? Morehead, KY +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Hiram W. Lester, Jr. | E-Mail: hwlester@pobox.com | | Computer Science | Home page: | | Middle Tennessee State University | http://pobox.com/~hwlester/ | +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) Stuff Date: 01 May 1997 21:59:59 EDT On Thu, 1 May 1997 18:53:34 -0400 (EDT) writes: > 3) On "KENBARBIELOVE," doesn't it sound a lot like The Beatles >singing "Can't Buy Me Love"? > 4) Is the Mike Scott who co-produced "Sideways" the Mike Scott >from >The Waterboys? Weird...I wondered the same thing(s) only two days ago... Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Enz Subject: Re: (hats) It bothers me 2 Date: 01 May 1997 21:35:12 -0700 > > A tribute!! Not likely. I have a theory that Ivan is rather > > disappointed with the state of pop music (and who can blame him) and is > > MOCKING it! > > I have a theory that you're giving him entirely too much credit. "Theory" is a poor choice of words. Fact is, Ivan IS disappointed with the state of pop AND I can't give him enough credit for trying to bring about a change in what WE demand and expect from a pop artist. I agree with the person who said that using 2, U and 4 is the equivalent of an adolecent mindset (high school). No artist with any real sense of art would stoop to using this in the hopes that they would finally make it big!! Not today!! > If it was the case in one song, then I might buy it, but doing it across the > whole album is another matter entirely. Why not? I think it's called a theme or a motiff, yes? Some artists actually have an attention span that lasts longer than one song, trust me! > While _PGTW_ undeniably consists of a number of statements about > pop culture, I think the only distinction between it and the first two > albums is the obviousness and pervasiveness of those statements. I don't disagree. Never the less, Ivan is disappointed with the current level of intelligence in pop culture. > Is it really too much to suggest that sometimes he (Ivan) writes serious > songs and sometimes he writes silly songs? This IS too much too ask! Fun songs with some substance, yes. Silly, no! > The use of U's and 4's is, essentially, a cute idea Cute no. Silly yes! Is it too hard to accept that Ivan might be exceptionally gifted and intelligent and is not suffering from anmesia of his integrity!! But is presenting new ways to express his ideas without hitting us on the head with them? A song called "I hate the use of the letter U for 'you'." is not especially appealing! And one song would not get anyone thinking the way an entire album does. last point - Doesn't Ivan's cover scream parody (read: mockery)?! I initially thought it was a cover for "The best of the 70's" or "Disco Dancin' Groovin' Tunes"!!! It's obvious to me that Ivan is mocking the infatuation that pop culture has had for the "image". It's a continuation from using the snowman, elvis impersonator, and magician costumes to pretend to be something bigger than they are. Kinda' reminds me of KISS! Such cooool costumes, they're my heros! (No offence to KISS fans who actually like the band for any real art they may have done.) BTW this kind of mockery is one of the reasons that makes PGTW the masterpiece that it is! Even the lipsynching was a blatant joke about bands that do it seriously. Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SODERBLOM@webtv.net (Eric Soderblom) Subject: (hats) ??? Date: 01 May 1997 20:41:18 -0700 Hey all, Wow, I am so happy to see that our little MWH mailing list has turned out to be a forum for religious and ethical debates! The poor guy (Ivan) says a couple of bad words, and all of a sudden he's Satan. I think those of you who don't like his use of profanity should NOT LISTEN TO THE MUSIC, and go check out www.christian-coalition.org. Ok, off my soapbox. The 3 CD's I would bring on a desert island are; 1) Michael Jackson "Bad" 2) John Tesh "Live at Red Rocks" 3) Tiffany "Tiffany" HA!!!!!!!! :-) Peace, Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LORD HASENPFEFFER Subject: (hats) Prized Possessions Date: 02 May 1997 00:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Well, obviously the 2fer is pertinear the top of my list of CDs I own that I wouldn't let go of for any price. Then there's my Syd Barrett box set, "Crazy Diamond" which is, sadly, no longer in print. And my blinking LED copy of Pink Floyd's "Pulse". But really, the most highly prized recording I own is not on compact disc that I know of - John Lennon's & Yoko Ono's "Wedding Album" LP/box with all the trimmings! I looked for it for well over a decade before I finally got to even *see* one - and that's the one I own! When I get to the point where I can burn my own CDs, you can bet that's one of the first albums I'm gwanna backup! Myke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LORD HASENPFEFFER Subject: (hats) Stuff Date: 02 May 1997 00:16:32 -0400 (EDT) I checked out the www.toxrecords.com site today and listened to the soundclip of the new Ivan track! It really was exciting to finally hear him sounding as if he's put his old original uniform back on! It's a must have for me! Although I think Ivan looks a little bit like a cross between Bono "The Fly" and Deee-Lite. Don't you think? And... You'll have to search far and wide to find a bigger John Lennon fan than me but I will have to say that the whitewash job that's been given to his 1966 statement about Christianity and the Beatles really offends me. He didn't just say "We're more popular than Jesus." Read up on it and find out all of what he said. It was completely uncalled for, I think. Although I would never have gone to a Beatle bonfire because of it. I think everybody's actions on that particular issue were all quite stupid, John's included. Myke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LORD HASENPFEFFER Subject: (hats) Prized Possessions Date: 02 May 1997 00:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Oh yes, I forgot. I also have the only copy of The Beatles (White Album) in *mono* on compact disc. The US never got it in mono and it has never been officially released on CD in mono either. The quality of the mono pirate I have is phenomenal and sounds equally as good as the real stero oops/ stereo copy I also have. Myke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LORD HASENPFEFFER Subject: (hats) Pop Art Date: 02 May 1997 00:31:48 -0400 (EDT) The assessment of the MWH albums I just read is correct. Sorry I can't directly quote it with this editor I'm using. The first 3 discs are excellent in their own right but Pop Goes The World is the Hats' finest work of *art*. There's no question about it. Also, in one of the interviews towards the end of the fansmade video from late last year, Ivan describes PGTW as being his own sort of "Sgt. Pepper" and that it was the first time MWH had actually been able to spend a serious amount of time/money making a really serious album. After PGTW however, I dunno. I've not heard "Sideways" yet except for the title track from its being included on the video compilation. I kinda like it and if the rest of the record isn't too different from what I've heard, I think it will be one I can be proud of owning. But I thank the Lord my God that he's finally gotten back into the higher-tech modus operandi. Myke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LORD HASENPFEFFER Subject: (hats) On Tuesday Date: 02 May 1997 00:50:47 -0400 (EDT) I have long considered "On Tuesday" to be the absolute best song on PGTW. That and "The Real World" really grab my attention. And how did Ivan manage to persuade Ian Anderson to play flute for him on his album?! I mean, I'm no Jethro Tull fanatic, but I do find it to be a rather interesting choice of persons to invite to perform. And why isn't he heard anywhere else on the album too? Another prized possession of mine is the 12x5 coverart photo card thingy that came in the original packaging surrounding my copy of PGTW when I bought it the day immediately following the Hats concert here in Tulsa in May '88. I've always kept it so that the next time I meet Ivan I can hopefully get him to sign the back of it. Then I can put it with the RoY and Fot80s LPs he signed for me the first time around! Mke oops/ Myke http://people.delphi.com/mykec/hats88.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Enz Subject: Re: (hats) Prized Possessions Date: 01 May 1997 22:53:22 -0700 > Not to stray too far off topic, but, I was wondering what CD each one of us > may own that we would never let out of our site. I've mentioned this before but I don't mind elaborating a bit. My autographed PGTW means alot to me because it will always hold the memory of meeting Ivan and chatting with one of the most sincere of persons I have ever met. I talked to him just before he performed one of his Sideways concerts and after discussing guitars verses sythesizers, he promised that his next album would be electronic. (See one of my postings about a year ago.) We shook hands and as I walked away he gave me the peace sign with his hand and said "Peace Brother". It might sound a little corny but it meant alot to me because, in my eyes, I had finally met the friend I had known for almost a decade before that. This CD goes with me to my grave. Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MICHAEL MILLER Subject: Re: (hats) quick straw poll... Date: 02 May 1997 01:25:31 -0400 At 18:29 4/30/97 -0400, Jeff Schacter wrote: >How many people who ordered CD's from Thomas have not yet received theirs? > I'm still waiting (patiently) for my CD as well. Mike Miller mmiller@history.ufl.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Russ Kemsley" Subject: RE: (hats) Prized Possessions Date: 02 May 1997 05:47:34 UT I thought about taking my Beatles Christmas Album CD bootleg, but then thought I would only really want to listen to it once a year so that would be a waste (but I would probably grab it in a fire). So my 'desert isle' CDs would be: 1. ROY/Folk3 2. Alice In Chains - Tripod 3. Alice Cooper - From The Inside Myke: I had the original British mono White Album at one point in my life...love the little differences, don't you? In fact, I'm sure I still have a cassette of it around somewhere. I'll have to dig out those old boxes. Also...speaking of the Wedding Album, I had a Japanese pressing of that, too. Isn't that the one with 20 minutes of silence (or am I thinking of Two Virgins)? Amazing what one sells when addicted to drugs :( Everyone else: Sorry for the off-topic post. Not like me. -Russ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Enz Subject: Re: (hats) Image bothers me 2 Date: 02 May 1997 00:30:15 -0700 > I'm a big, big KISS fan! Although I'm having a bit of trouble > understanding your comments about their intentions by wearing costumes. > I think KISS is the ultimate combination of style and substance. > Without the style, their substance suffered. But look at what has > happened when it returned! Yet their art has not changed at all. > > Myke And if your a fan because you find their art enlightning and meaningful then I respect that! If, however, their costumes have dazzeled you into wanting to be just like them when you grow up. Perhaps to be a rich and famous rock star that'll blow audiences away with one stroke of your guitar. Then something is missing. In this case, you've missed the enlightenment, wisdom, and communication from one human to another. You've missed the constructive ideas and thoughts that might make the world a better place. You've missed the opportunity to understand someone a little different from you. All because you're so focused on that flashy image that'll make you popular with the guys! Who is at fault? The rock star who is constantly rewarded by screaming fans or the fans who don't care about enlightenment, wisdom or communicating? Where does it end and who will end it??? My 3 cents CAN. Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: RE: (hats) Prized Possessions Date: 02 May 1997 08:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Everyone, If I were on a desert isle, I'd take my wife and leave all our music behind, get into a few good books, go heavy on the sunblock, and learn how to live on sailfish and coconut milk. But if everyone pressed me to take along some CDs, I wouldn't be able to limit myself to three. So here's my list: 1) MWH Oglio 2-for-1. It would have to come along. I'm still amazed at the charitable, selfless, altruistic work of Carl, Laura, and Thomas. I mean think about it. $25 for world class pop right to your door? I'm loving it, baby. Having this on a desert isle would make me think of all the good things in life, good music, good people helping you out. 2) Wire Train--Ten Women 3) Cock Robin--After Here Through Midland, First Love/Last Rites (If they were in print anywhere and I could buy them) 4) The Reivers--Saturday, End of the Day, Translate Slowly (If they were in print anywhere and I could buy them) 5) The Waterboys--This Is the Sea 6) MWH--Pop Goes the World. I'd take this one because I agree with everyone on the list who says that it's a great pop album. It's a landmark pop album. PGTW is like zero on the pop timeline, and every other form of pop is going off into infinity in either direction. It also reminds me of my senior prom because I almost didn't get a date that year but thankfully wound up going with this great Australian girl named Kez who moved to town three days before the prom. At the prom, which was held in the old junior high gymnasium (matadors, monkeys, and a million balloons), they played "Pop Goes the World," and immediately I shouted for joy, grabbed Kez's hand, and ran out onto the completely empty basketball floor, dancing for all I was worth in my ivory tux and pink ruffled shirt. Unfortunately, I was met with a chorus of boos and hisses. Later, to the tune of Billy Squier's "Everybody Wants You," the deejay told me they weren't hissing at me, just the song. Well, Kez went back to surfing in Sydney, and I ended up in Binghamton, New York, as a graduate student in the English program. And here, I'm glad to say that no such heinous displays of musical prejudice exist. It's a place where you can dance if you want to, a place where White Lion's "When the Children Cry" can still be heard coming from every passing Ford Pinto, and where I still have to drive for eight hours to get the music I like. Either that or e-mail my buddy Thomas in Germany. Deutschland, ueber alles in der Welt! Speaking of desert isles . . . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" Subject: (hats) tachyon days? Date: 02 May 1997 11:09:18 +0000 Hi everyone! If you've noticed weird times on my posts, as Thomas did, don't worry, the Temporal Police won't be banging down my door soon. We had a server glitch, which I think they have finally fixed. Now it's only 4 days until "The Spell is broken"... ;-) Laura ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Forwarded message: > From owner-hats@xmission.com Thu May 1 19:03 MET 1997 > Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 12:38:43 +0000 > [snip] THAT's cool! Leeeet's do the tiiiiiiime warp again . . . ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gigarpus Subject: Re: (hats) On Tuesday Date: 02 May 1997 11:18:12 -0500 LORD HASENPFEFFER wrote: > > And how did Ivan manage to persuade Ian Anderson to play flute for him Here is the story. While Yvan is in Britain recording PGTW, he send a tape of ON TUESDAY to Anderson asking him if he could play flute on it (in the chorus part). Anderson accepted and arrived in studio, having written the flute part we now all know. The interresting part is: Yvan was wandering how much Ian Anderson would charge for this performance. He tough Anderson might either do it for free (being so rich) or for a lot a cash (being so popular and famous). Well, he charged flat rate! Yvan was positively impressed... Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lars Wendt" Subject: RE: (hats) the CD.. and integrity Date: 02 May 1997 09:29:02 +0200 Marty wrote: >There is extreme genius in ROY & FOTE I & III, but the level of sheer >art in Pop just blows me away. The first time I heard Lose My Way I >almost cried. Ditto for The End. Am I alone in this? Am I alone? No, Marty, you are not alone. I also tend to think of Pop as the peak of MWH material. It is really genious. I think of it as a brilliant journey into sound, melodies, production etc. I simply think of it as one of the best ever produced, and I don't really believe it is intended as pure flirtation with the public opinion. As a matter of fact I don't care if it is flirtation, when the result is so perfect. I believe that FOTE III were more flirtatious than Pop were. The song "Where do the boys go" is a natural follower of ROY, and was sent to the market in a rather short time after the success of ROY. Not so And, Marty, of course you're right once again when you say that there is extreme genius in ROY and FOTE III (when it comes to FOTE I, I've never heard it). Both these albums have good lyrics and fine melodies. There is no doubt about that. Quick poll: What CD's are my most precious ? ( alas - difficult to get hold of) 1.....MWH - Pop goes the world 2.....MWH - ROY/FOTE III 3.....Neil Arthur - Suitcase 4.....Data - Accumulator 5.....F.R. David - Words 6.....Thompson Twins - Quick step and side kick 7.....Indochine - Le peril jaune 8.....The Twins - A wild romance 9.....Trans X - Living on video 10...Ryan Paris - Dolce Vita (EP) 11...Nasa - In the mist of time 12...Roxette - Pearls of passion 13...Gentlemen Without Weapons - Transmissions __________________________________________________________________ Lars Wendt Internet: lars.wendt@nextel.no Oslo, Norway _________________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SINSFDWF@Admin.UH.EDU Subject: (hats) Old vs. New Date: 02 May 1997 10:43:13 -0500 (CDT) Hi all, The recent talk about which is better, PGTW or the older stuff, got me thinking again about why I like the earlier stuff the most. For me I think part of the reason is that that was my introduction to the band and that's all I heard for many years. I bought the Safety Dance 45 way back in Junior High and played the hell^H^Hck (oops - wouldn't want to offend anyone :) out of it. A few years later a friend brought a MWH tape in the car on one of our frequent summer forays to the movie theater. He'd taped FOT80s pt. III and ROY onto one 90 minute tape and I was floored. I've never had so many songs stuck in my head at once as I did after hearing that tape for the first time. So I dubbed a copy from him and played the heck out of it. Off I went to college a couple years later, where I bought my own copies of the albums, made another tape, and played the heck out of it. Then I found the FOT80s I ep and Freeways which I thought were way cool (Security is usually my favorite MWH song) which filled out the ends of the tape nicely and provided a nice surprise for my friend the next time I saw him. PGTW came out and I saw the video on MTV. Wasn't too impressed and didn't rush out to buy it. Gave 21st Century a listen in a used cd store some time later and again didn't think it sounded like MWH "should". Of course, I eventually came around and now have everything I've been able to get my grubby little hands on, but the early stuff is still my favorite, no doubt in part because of the many fond memories I have of listening to (and singing along with) my old tapes. So how 'bout it - did most of the people who think PGTW is the peak of the band's output start with that album and then fill in their collections later or did you think the early stuff was good but were then amazed by the follow-up? I know this "first exposure" thing doesn't always hold up, but it does for many of the bands I've liked over the years including R.E.M., XTC and The Reivers. But it doesn't for Concrete Blonde, Metallica or Bad Religion so what can I say. Quite a lot, apparently... :) Doug # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Bieler Subject: Re: (hats) the CD.. and integrity Date: 02 May 1997 17:52:47 +0200 (MET DST) > Quick poll: > > What CD's are my most precious ? ( alas - difficult to get hold of) > 1.....MWH - Pop goes the world > 2.....MWH - ROY/FOTE III Do you really think so? It is in print, so why should it be rare? I still have a bunch of copies at home, so if you want one . . . > [...] > 12...Roxette - Pearls of passion Ooops, there's a bootlegged version out which is available everywhere here in Germany. I also own an original copy ;-) Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Enz Subject: Re: (hats) Old vs. New Date: 02 May 1997 11:08:20 -0700 > So how 'bout it - did most of the people who think PGTW is the peak > of the band's output start with that album and then fill in their > collections later or did you think the early stuff was good but > were then amazed by the follow-up? I've been a follower of MWH since before Safety Dance hit any chart! I also believe that PGTW is THE best album ever, followed closely by ROY. Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud) Subject: Re: (hats) Old vs. New Date: 02 May 1997 10:30:50 -0700 > > > So how 'bout it - did most of the people who think PGTW is the peak > > of the band's output start with that album and then fill in their > > collections later or did you think the early stuff was good but > > were then amazed by the follow-up? > Well, I've posted about this before, but I think "... In The 21st Century" was their peak. "21st" just has so many levels to all the songs, and the music is so lush and rich... it continues to blow me away. But my favorite MWH song is "Bright Side Of The Sun", off of "Pop Goes The World". Counting down to May 6, Don2 dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Enz Subject: Re: (hats) Image bothers me 2 Date: 02 May 1997 11:51:00 -0700 > > What, more specifically, are you talking about? > > Myke Well, if the emphasis on image gets to a point where it hides, masks or even replaces the basic communication (and/or art) of one person (the artist) to another (the fan), then the world is a poorer place. Why? Because, the last thing we need is more barriers preventing each of us from understanding each other. Have you ever tried to communicate with someone who has an "image" to take care of? To quote Roger Waters, it's like "banging your heart on some mad bugger's wall". I don't kmow how else to put it, my friend. :) Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniele Rossi Subject: Re: (hats) PGTW Date: 02 May 1997 14:23:04 -0400 (EDT) >Finally, someone with balls enough to say that they truely love PGTW. >Eric, I commend you. What, and this is a question to everyone, do you >feel about "On Tuesday"? That song is held almost #1 in my heart. The >flute, the message, the sadness, the joy, all combined into one beautiful >song. I like (no pun intended!) PGTW album also. The reason? All the songs "fit" so perfectly! And I like the messages in them (the environment, etc). But most of all the instruments and style are so unconventional (like the flute, the melody of "Jenny Wore Black", "La Valise D'Eugiene"). Actually I haven't noticed it before, that album is SO DIFFERENT from the other pop albums and songs reelased in 1987. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Jackson Subject: Re: (hats) the CD.. and integrity Date: 02 May 1997 14:52:18 -0400 ElKrupla@aol.com wrote: > ... I copied the lyrics over to a text file and > switched the 2s and u's back to standard English. > > Dave K Yeah, and I'll bet you like Ted Turner's colorized movies, too, eh? ;-) Steve -- voice:404-876-3209 x104 | "We're here a short while, fax:404-876-3809 | And a long time gone." mailto:sj@synchrologic.com | - "One Armed Frank" http://www.synchrologic.com | # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Myke Carter Subject: (hats) Direct from www.kabalarians.com Date: 02 May 1997 15:26:26 -0500 Ivan Your first name of Ivan brings out individuality and independence as predominant characteristics. You are not inclined to merge your opinions and viewpoints with others, to accept compromise, or to work in a subservient position against your will. Your expression is invariably quite direct and candid, and lacks the moderating tone of tact, diplomacy, and friendliness. Others find it difficult to accept your domineering and, at times, argumentative manner. Your circle of friends is restricted to those of like nature. Once friendship is established, you are very loyal and steadfast and do not tolerate gossip or criticism. In your close associations and family life, there is little demonstration of sentiment, appreciation, sympathy, or encouragement. It is difficult for you to find the right words for such circumstances. Your name also gives you self-confidence, initiative, and an inclination to physical activity. Weaknesses in the health caused by this name centre in the head. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gbrunger@erienet.net Subject: (Fwd) RE: (hats) Prized Possessions Date: 02 May 1997 20:51:22 +0000 Forwarded message: These are a few CD's that I just could not live without: Altered Images-Pinky Blue: This is the ultimate New Wave album full of fun and quirky songs with a surprisingly negative lyrical slant to contrast the bouncy music. A must for any music lover (although sadly now deleted, again.) The Three O'Clock-Sixteen Tambourines: This is another early eighties gem only recently discoved, full of catchy 60's influenced eighties alternapop. Toyah-The Very Best of Toyah: This recently released collection contains many of her great singles and a number of essential album tracks that cover her more poppy sound and her ultra bizarre sound with evident influences by Nina Hagen, Lene Lovich, Siouxsie, and Hazel O'Connor. If any of you out there like any of these four you'll love Toyah! I can't list the 2 on 1 since I don't have one yet, CARL!!! Scott Davies # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LORD HASENPFEFFER Subject: (hats) Pop My First? No! Date: 02 May 1997 21:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Hey Doug, I remember hearing "The Safety Dance" in the summer of The Great Year 1983 for the first time while mopping the floor after closing time at the restaurant for which I worked. There was a Who / Frank Zappa fan named Dan who also worked there. He really hated the new music of that time. The radio in the dining room was on rather loudly and when it was over I heard Dan say something derogatory (?) about it. When I asked him who it was, he said it was "Men Without..." (and grabbing the paper hat off of his head and throwing it up in the air) "...HATS!!!" It was funny because you could tell he was just annoyed by the song to no end! When he threw his hat in the air, he kinda looked like that Swiss Miss in the video when she says "Dansez!". That was really a magic time for Top 40 music in America even though I wasn't really destined to realize that for two more years. (For more on that, access: http://people.delphi.com/mykec/coolstory.html) I remember that "The Safety Dance" and "Puttin' On The Ritz" were out at the exact same time. I only wish now that I had realized at the time just how much fun I was actually having but wasn't allowing myself to really enjoy. Anyway, about a year later I discovered that the girl across the street had the "The Safety Dance" 45 and I borrowed it - only to find that my favourite SSSS AAAA FFFF EEEE TTTT YYYY part wasn't on it! I was so disappointed. In 1986, I was browsing thru the cutout rack at a mall record shop near my home and found an Italian import copy of RoY on Statik and vinyl for only around $2 or $3. I bought it immediately. When I finally got to hear the whole album, I was so surprised by the sheer crudeness of the drum machines and keyboards that it took me quite a few listenings to really learn to like it. It also didn't help much to know that nobody else I knew knew anything about MWH - so I was making all of this discovery purely on my own and that can slow the process sometimes. I later found a cutout (US, this time) of Fot80s, III ibon vinyl but wasn't very quick to catch on to what it was all about either. My impressions of this album today are considerably higher, especially now that I can hear it when I walk around downtown where I work with it blasting from my DiscMan. When PGTW was released as a single, I was excited to see them finally chart again in the US. I used to tape the new hits each week on American Top 40 with Casey Kasem back then and still have the tape I made of the first time I ever heard it. Casey, with one of his typically corny pre-commercial break teasers called them "Dudes With No Chapeaus". (If anybody wants a copy of this tape, email me and we'll work something out. It is a kind of rare tidbit of MWH history - the first time AT40 played PGTW.) I liked the song quite a bit was not in any hurry to rush out and buy it. (This was years before I discovered this list you must realize!) :-) Three months later Ivan and Co. came to Tulsa to play his new stuff for us. (http://people.delphi.com/mykec/hats88.html) I managed to get Ivan's autograph on both my Statik RoY and US Fot80s,III LP covers that night. The next night I did rush right out and buy my "Pop Goes The World" CD. The show was amazing! I couldn't believe how much better the quality of the production was over anything else I'd heard from them before. And the melodies! And the punchy drums and bass on "The Real World" and "O Sole Mio"!! Fantastic! I couldn't get enough of it. I used to do some small time DJ work back then too. The biggest shows I ever got to do were a couple of high school dances in one of the small peripheral towns around Tulsa. But I was sure from then on to always open every show I did with the Pop Goes The World CD intro!!! It was great! Of course, I'd have to switch over to a really good start song when the kid starts pitter pattering across the floor so as not to lose all that built up momemtum though. It was a great, powerful intro and I could tell a lot of them didn't know what it was I was playing but they loved it nonetheless. It was a different way to begin an evening I'll tell ya. I also was certain to also buy brand new copies of "PGTW" and "Moonbeam" on 12" when they were released. I was really surprised to see that "Moonbeam" was never to chart in the US Top 40. I've always considered it the better of the two songs. America is weird when it comes to good pop music. I never even knew "It21C" was released until early in 1991 when I went to a guys house and saw it in amongst his sizeable CD collection. I jokingly offered to buy it from him, but he seriously replied I could have it for $5. No matter how many times I've tried to get myself to like it though, I have never succeeded. I didn't know anything about "Sideways" until late last year when I joined this list. I feel very lucky that I joined when I did, 'cuz now I have my own copies of the video compilation and the 3CD set which to this day completely blow me away! And I also now have the 2fer and will have Ivan's new CD as soon as I can figure out how to get it next week! The thing that fascinates me most about all of this and being a member of this list in 1997 is how sincere the fans in here are and how much, now that I look back at all the 80s music I ever came to know and love, the music of Men Without Hats is for me that which has endured the most. It's almost like I've been living in Hatsfandom by myself for so long that it caused me to downplay the importance of Ivan's music in my life, but now that I've found the rest of you and have realized that I'm not alone in it anymore I feel as if no time has passed and Roy, Fot80s, and PGTW are all some absolutely excellent brand new music to listen to and fall in love with all over again! And this is 1997, not 1987!! Anyway, I didn't mean to turn this into a streams-of-consciousnes rambling about my life's experience with Hats music but it seems to have turned into it! No Doug, Pop was clearly not my first Hats music to discover. But there is no question in my mind that it is the finest they ever did. It's just like The Beatles "Sgt. Pepper's" to me. It's the pinnacle of their career as album artists, but it's not the only great work they ever recorded either. I think it's the cohesive nature of the whole thing that makes it so appealing - and the maturity of the production. Ramble Off. Myke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: F-Man Subject: (hats) Fblawat@CUNA.COM no longer valid Date: 03 May 1997 00:54:47 -0700 Hi everyone, I'm back on the list after my work E-Mail system has completely shut-down. Those of you that I have written to might remember Fblawat@CUNA.COM. Please send E-Mail now to Cunablawat@worldnet.att.net Good News! I finally received my 2-for-1 MWH cd's from Germany!!! :) I was getting worried. Thanks again. Thanks, Francois -- F-Man E-Mail: Cunablawat@worldnet.att.net) URL: http://www.Geocities.com/Area51/7739 ********************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Draper Subject: (hats) 3CD Bootleg Set Date: 03 May 1997 04:41:02 -0600 So far 12 people have responded to my offer to burn copies of the 3 CD bootleg set that went around awhile ago. If anybody else is interested please email me at hats@maple.qtm.net. The more people we get the cheaper the blank CDs will be. I still, however, need to borrow copies of the discs burn from. Please, if anyone is willing to loan their discs to me send me an email. I'll copy and send them back out to you within a day. If you want an extra set made I'll do that for you at no charge. Thanks, todd Todd Draper - South Bend, IN - todd@qtm.net - http://www.qtm.net/~todd ______________________________________________________________________ Maple Studios Web Page Design and Mac Consulting -- info@maple.qtm.net ______________________________________________________________________ Do you believe in Macintosh? Subscribe to EvangeList, a listserver for Macintosh fans. For instructions send email to . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) Old vs. New Date: 03 May 1997 10:18:27 EDT On Fri, 02 May 1997 11:08:20 -0700 Steven Enz writes: >> So how 'bout it - did most of the people who think PGTW is the peak >> of the band's output start with that album and then fill in their >> collections later or did you think the early stuff was good but >> were then amazed by the follow-up? > >I've been a follower of MWH since before Safety Dance hit any chart! I >also believe that PGTW is THE best album ever, followed closely by >ROY. > >Senz I've followed them from the beginning...but my favorites are in the order of release. Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Enz Subject: Re: (hats) Trans-X Date: 03 May 1997 10:13:11 -0700 > >9.....Trans X - Living on video > > Speaking of Trans-X. After having the CD for quite some time now...I have > to say that the 1983 album versions of most of the songs are a lot better > than the 1986 redone versions on the CD. The former sound more raw and > less produced and just plain better. ANyone else have these two and feel > the same way? I would love to see Oglio records release the very first > version of Living on Video. > > Rod Rod!! We agree on something!!! ;) I was definately disappointed with the new "3D Dance" and the elimination of the bass voice especially. I had hoped to put my L.P. version to rest once I got the CD. Wrong! The CD, as you say, feels more contrived. The original Living on Video would be a great choice for Oglio to rerelease! Wudda ya say Carl? Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Enz Subject: Re: (hats) Image bothers me 2 Date: 03 May 1997 10:41:30 -0700 > Hmmm... I'm still confused by exactly how you're applying what you're > saying to KISS and their costumes. Are you dogging them for doing it? > > Or those fans of theirs who choose to look no further than the image? > I'm afraid I can't lay blame on anyone for what society perpetuates. > What exactly is it that you derive from KISS' career and music, just > out of curiosity? I derive nothing, which may or may not be a shame. I simply find it easier to understand artists like Ivan, Peter Gabriel, Kate Bush and Gary Numan than to dig through 16 layers of image to possibly find the real thing. And if you think I'm missing out on KISS, then blame "image" not KISS! > Also, that's the first time I've ever heard anybody attempt to make any > sense from the lyrics of "Outside The Wall"! They're so ambiguous, I've > never been able to figure out exactly what they're saying - and especially > in relation to the awesome story that precedes it. Whats the mystery? The singer has an ego problem. His "image" prevents anyone from getting to know or understand him. He feels isolated and misunderstood. His "image", ie. "The Wall" prevents anyone from getting inside. Tear down the wall.... > "The Wall" is rock's finest hour. > > Myke It's a good album isn't it? Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oglio Entertainment Subject: Re: (hats) Trans-X Date: 03 May 1997 16:20:39 -0700 > The original Living on Video would be a great choice for Oglio to > rerelease! Wudda ya say Carl? Where can the original be found now? How can I tell the difference? Carl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: theartdept@worldnet.att.net (rod) Subject: (hats) track 9 Date: 03 May 1997 17:35:25 -0700 Hey. This may be a stupid question (admittedly it wouldn't be my first) but: Does anyone know the name of track 9 on "The Adventures of Women & Men ..." (1:10 between I'm In Love and Eloise & I). Thanks. Rod Los Angeles theartdept@worldnet.att.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: theartdept@worldnet.att.net (rod) Subject: Re: (hats) Trans-X Date: 03 May 1997 19:47:43 -0700 >> The original Living on Video would be a great choice for Oglio to >> rerelease! Wudda ya say Carl? > >Where can the original be found now? How can I tell the difference? > >Carl > Hello. I have the original version on a German import cd single. It is 5:58 copyright 1983 Polydor International. It says licenced from Mantra Records (which is in Toronto but I'm sure you know that). It is also on a 1994 cd called 80's Dance Party Volume 1 from SPG in Toronto (technically Etobicoke). This version is also 5:58. There is a French version called Vivre sur Video which is exactly the same but the vocals are in French. These two versions came out at the same time (1983) as side a and b of a 12". The remix version came out a couple years later and is much more choppy (and terrible imho). There is a completely different sound and feel to it. If you need info on these companies feel free to contract me. While I have your attention, I wanted to point out how impressed I was when I bought Richard Blade's Flashback Favorites Vol 6 with Shriekback's "Nemesis" on it. I don't know if you know this, but the version you have included is extremely rare. I heard that it was withdrawn due to copyright infringement shortly upon its original release. The version you have is not available even on Shriekback's cds The Dancing Years (1990 US) or Priests and Kanibals ... The Best of (1994 UK) despite the fact that they both claim to... Best wishes and please get M w/o Hats 2fer domestic before I scream... Thanks. Rod Los Angeles theartdept@worldnet.att.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) Trans-X Date: 03 May 1997 23:20:17 EDT On Sat, 03 May 1997 16:20:39 -0700 Oglio Entertainment writes: >> The original Living on Video would be a great choice for Oglio to >> rerelease! Wudda ya say Carl? > >Where can the original be found now? How can I tell the difference? > >Carl As far as I know the original is on vinyl only. I don't know where to tell you to begin to even look except maybe the Dumpo records site on the web. They have tons of Trans-x stuff. You could fill up a CD full of their older b-sides/remixes too. The difference in sound between the CD and the original lp is quite big. I was very dissappointed once I got the CD...it was not the same at all. Sort of like taking Rhythm of Youth and remixing it in 1986...you know what I mean... Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." Subject: Re: (hats) track 9 Date: 04 May 1997 03:25:04 -0500 (CDT) On Sat, 3 May 1997, rod wrote: > This may be a stupid question (admittedly it wouldn't be my first) but: > > Does anyone know the name of track 9 on "The Adventures of Women & Men ..." > > (1:10 between I'm In Love and Eloise & I). As listed on the CD, it's "Intro: Eloise" +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Hiram W. Lester, Jr. | E-Mail: hwlester@pobox.com | | Computer Science | Home page: | | Middle Tennessee State University | http://pobox.com/~hwlester/ | +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike Subject: (hats) stuff Date: 04 May 1997 17:10:59 +0100 well, as a musician, songwriter and everything else I personally wouldn't use religious references for shock tactics, but I wouldn't say that I would not use them at all. If the song warranted it then it'd stay in... and as for saying that ppl wouldn't play the track because of it then its a) their own choice and b) a waste. Why dump a whole track for one line? Swearing is usually viewed as a lack of language skills, but occasionally I feel that it might be warranted. Anyways, this line of thought will go on forever and nothing anyone says will change it. I dont 'believe' in any one religion but I wouldn't hold it against anyone who does... personal choices again......... Mike PS Alaska Highway's album out in September..... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Enz Subject: Re: (hats) Image bothers me 2 Date: 04 May 1997 13:02:54 -0700 Here is an alternative interpretation: > All alone or in twos (spouse, parents, friends) > The ones who really love you > Walk up and down outside the wall (try to pass your facade) > Some holding hands (there is strength in numbers) > Some gathered together in bands (teaming up against your facade) > The bleeding hearts and the artists (Roger Waters, Ivan, etc) > Make their stand (write and sing about it) > > And when they've given you their all (tried everything to reach you) > Some stagger and fall (some give up) > After all it's not easy > Banging your heart against some mad bugger's wall. (because it's not easy getting close to someone who has an image to protect) A bleeding heart is someone who sometimes blames society for an indiviuals behavior/personality. Although it might be a little early (by a couple days?) to start evaluating Spell, I can judge by the very flashy cover (which has an air of being extremely egocentric) that Ivan is taking on this "image" in order to show us how bad it is. A tactic used notably in Jonathan Swifts "Proposal" and used by many artists since uh er... I don't know when. (Help me, all you English majors!!!) Anyway, if the English majors will let me get away with it, I believe it's called satirical irony?? Certainly PGTW was based on this and possibly Sideways as well. (Sideways fans can send their mail-bombs to senz@cwave.com) Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paul b go Subject: (hats) 2fer Date: 04 May 1997 14:43:23 -0500 (CDT) HA! Got it.... Thanks Carl, Laura and Thomas. Sounds GREAT! Now to get the original cd's, the 3 disk boot and the video. Paul Go pgo@shrike.depaul.edu "The unexamined life is not worth living, and the unlived life is not worth examining." - Anon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gigarpus Subject: (hats) MWH video Date: 04 May 1997 16:46:37 -0500 What is that video everybody is talking about? Is it the one of the show Men Without Hats did for television at le Spectrum de Montreal? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (hats) Image bothers me 2 and Jonathan Swift Date: 05 May 1997 07:37:39 -0400 (EDT) > Although it might be a little early (by a couple days?) to start > evaluating Spell, I can judge by the very flashy cover (which has an air > of being extremely egocentric) that Ivan is taking on this "image" in > order to show us how bad it is. A tactic used notably in Jonathan > Swifts "Proposal" and used by many artists since uh er... I don't know > when. (Help me, all you English majors!!!) Anyway, if the English > majors will let me get away with it, I believe it's called satirical > irony?? Certainly PGTW was based on this and possibly Sideways as well. > (Sideways fans can send their mail-bombs to senz@cwave.com) > > Senz Senz, That's an interesting parallel--between Jonathan Swift and Ivan. But I have to say that I have to take your word for everything you say about "The Spell" because I have no idea what the cover looks like, what the music sounds like, or what anything about the entire CD is like because, like, I live in Binghamton, New York, and, like, it's like living in a music black hole, man. When is it coming out? I've heard everyone say May 6th. Is that a Canadian release date or does that stand for us Americans, too? Anyway, I normally wouldn't say anything, but since you asked for help from the English majors, and since I just finished writing a 25-page critical paper on Swift, and since I've just completed a graduate seminar on Swift, and since I'll be taking the final exam for that seminar on May 12th, and since I wish I could get Ivan's new CD before that time to cheer me up, I'll put in my three cents. Edward Said, in his book, "The World, the Text, and the Critic," says the following about Swift, which relates to what you were saying about Ivan and his use of satirical irony in the pop world: "Swift is invariably attacking what he impersonates. In other words, his technique is to become the thing he attacks, which is normally not a message or a political doctrine but a style or a manner of discourse" (87). Is that what you mean? That Ivan is impersonating what he's attacking and attacking what he's impersonating? That's an interesting way of looking at MWH and Ivan, kind of a sideways way of looking at the whole pop world. I must admit that I've always listened to MWH because of the music, but what you're saying makes a lot of sense. I only wish I could see and hear what everyone else has seen and heard so I could feel what it's like to fall under "The Spell." Maybe I was too hasty when I jumped on the list and started bragging about the 2-fer I got so early . . . (Thanks again, Laura, Thomas, and Carl) Matt B # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Enz Subject: Re: (hats) Image bothers me 2 and Jonathan Swift Date: 05 May 1997 09:39:58 -0700 > Edward Said, in his book, "The World, the Text, and the Critic," says > the following about Swift, which relates to what you were saying about > Ivan and his use of satirical irony in the pop world: "Swift is > invariably attacking what he impersonates. In other words, his technique > is to become the thing he attacks, which is normally not a message or a > political doctrine but a style or a manner of discourse" (87). > Is that what you mean? That Ivan is impersonating what he's > attacking and attacking what he's impersonating? That's an interesting > way of looking at MWH and Ivan, kind of a sideways way of looking at the > whole pop world. I must admit that I've always listened to MWH because of > the music, but what you're saying makes a lot of sense. > > Matt B There ain't no way I coulda speaked it gooder myself!!! Not only that, if Sideways is also an example of satirical irony, my respect for that album has increased astronomically! (Although, it appears to be a bit more subtle in Sideways than PGTW.) Thank you, English major Matt, for finishing what I could not. :) BTW, Matt, if you have access to the internet, check out . This site will show you everything known about Spell (pictures, a sound clip, lyrics, etc.) Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gigarpus Subject: (hats) The Spell Date: 05 May 1997 12:01:33 -0500 Hi everybody! I will be attending the "launching party" for The Spell in Montreal, the 7th of may (that's next wednesday evening, in two days). I'll keep you inform about release dates for the world! Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harding Jeff Subject: (hats) IVAN! Date: 06 May 1997 10:07:30 -0400 All, I'm on the phone with HMV in Montreal (1-800-567-2442) and they've got 150 copies of Ivan's CD in stock....I got mine!!! Good luck! -Jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harding Jeff Subject: (hats) Anybody else... Date: 06 May 1997 13:15:48 -0400 order their copy of 'The Spell' today? Can't wait to hear the whole thing! Jeff H. Northern Virginia, U.S.A. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike Subject: (hats) Ivan's the spell Date: 06 May 1997 19:13:30 +0100 anyone got the serial number so I can order it on import??????? moose (aka mike in a moose outfit) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ElKrupla@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) Anybody else... Date: 06 May 1997 15:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Four copies are on their way to three owners in south central Ohio! I am _so_ happy! Dave K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud) Subject: Re: (hats) Anybody else... Date: 06 May 1997 13:49:25 -0700 > > Four copies are on their way to three owners in south central Ohio! > > I am _so_ happy! > > Dave K > At 7:30 AM Pacific time I called and ordered. The order guy told me that the CD would be going out around 4:00 PM his time, which means that, with luck, I'll be spending this weekend under Ivan's "spell"! Now if my friend in Germany would only go CD shopping for me... Don2 dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gregory T. Samson" Subject: (hats) 2-fer arrived! Date: 06 May 1997 12:41:20 -0700 yay! my 2-fer is here! to all those still waiting: keep the faith. it's an enormously vindicating feeling when you actually get the package in hand. :) thanks so much thomas and laura! -- Gregory T. Samson, MD - Dr. Evil Microwizard (gts@oz.net) "the rain fell, and the ants came." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Silvaggio Subject: (hats) Heard Ivan's new one Date: 06 May 1997 19:05:49 -0400 Hi all you Hats fans out there! This morning, I went to a record store here in Montreal and bought Ivan's new CD, The Spell. Looks like Ivan was in a dance/rap mood when he conceived this one, folks. I have to give it a couple more listens before I can get used to it. But I will. It's _Ivan_ , you know. Also, for you people out there who are able to catch MusiquePlus, Claude Rajotte will be reviewing the album on his Cimetiere des CD Friday night. Let's hope he has some good things to say. When he announced the upcoming review, he referred to Ivan as "a legend of alternative music". For you who have no idea who Claude Rajotte is, he was one of the first people here in Quebec to have a show dedicated to music videos way before any of these music channels we know so well ever hit the air. He is very revered in the Quebec music industry. He knows what he's talking about. Keep your fingers crossed for Ivan. Happy listening, folks! Vince vsilvaggio@microimm.mcgill.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: henning@forge.franken.de (Henning Schmiedehausen) Subject: (hats) The Spell Date: 06 May 1997 21:10:12 +0200 Hi! With the upcoming spell release and my imminent departure into holidays: Is anyone willing to buy this one for me and swap it for cash / gift / german album? Laura? Daniele? Ciao Henning P.S.: I'll be leaving for the canaries on sunday and not be back before Jun 1st. So, don't worry if I don't answer to E-Mail. I'll get back to you. -- Henning Schmiedehausen Cruisin' on the I-Way with a hot, hot SUN... henning@forge.franken.de http://www.franken.de/users/forge/henning henning@knf.de "To tough for you? Try ^K." "Avoid sharp edges. I hate bleeding on my motherboard." -- Robert Herold # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bradley N. Hull" Subject: (hats) THE SPELL IS HERE Date: 06 May 1997 21:33:44 -0400 At 6:46 pm I purchased the only copy of The Spell in Guelph. I have been in heaven since! This CD is VERY different - and VERY good (imho). There is definitely a dance influence to the overall CD, but it's done in a very "Ivanesque" way, with lots of poppy catchy synth melodies, lots of variation in vocals from whispers to rapping to Ivan's great singing voice. I have always been a real fan of the upbeat, fast moving, danceable MWH so I REALLY like the new Ivan sound. I'm on my second full listen through and I keep coming up with different bands that the sound reminds me of - everything from ABC to Madonna (not in a bad way!!). I also hear a strong resemblance to some of the more recent stuff from OMD and Human League. It's such an eclectic (sp?) mix of different and diverse sounds that really work together well. Of course, there is an unmistakable underlying Ivan/MWH feel, but I hear more of a relationship to 21st Century and PGTW than ROY and FOTEIII. This CD is on its way to a permanent slot in my CD shuttle in my car. I think I'll have to buy another one to keep in the house so that I don't forget to move it back and forth! I also received my 2-4-1 this week and have a set of the "bootlegs" on order. What a fantastic time to be a MWH junkie! Thanks sooooooo much to Carl, Thomas, Laura, Todd, and most importantly IVAN. If you're out there lurking Ivan, thank you soooo much for keeping all of us loyal fans happy. And WELCOME BACK. I wish you the greatest success with The Spell - I'll be doing the hard sell to all of my friends! Now all I need is a live fix. I'm off to check the Toxrecords site to see if any dates are posted. Fully under The Spell..... Brad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: henning@forge.franken.de (Henning Schmiedehausen) Subject: Re: (hats) the CD.. and integrity Date: 06 May 1997 20:58:35 +0200 Lars.Wendt@nextel.telemax.no (Lars Wendt) writes: >13...Gentlemen Without Weapons - Transmissions Oh Lord and I thought I'm the only being on this planet searching for this album... :-) If anyone has this on CD and is willing to make a gold disc... :-) Ciao Henning -- Henning Schmiedehausen Cruisin' on the I-Way with a hot, hot SUN... henning@forge.franken.de http://www.franken.de/users/forge/henning henning@knf.de "To tough for you? Try ^K." "Avoid sharp edges. I hate bleeding on my motherboard." -- Robert Herold # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MICHAEL MILLER Subject: (hats) Yesss, the postperson has delivered Date: 07 May 1997 02:38:31 -0400 Yesssssssss!!!! I just got my 2CD set of ROY/Folk. I've been playin' it in circles singing--- Thanks Thomas, Laura, and Carl. It's much appreciated. Sans un chapeau dans Gatorland, Mike Miller Department of History University of Florida mmiller@history.ufl.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Humphrey Loe Subject: (hats) I got the Cds and the Cds are here! Date: 07 May 1997 09:37:26 -0700 Many thanks to Carl, Thomas and Laura for making it possible to hear those wonderful albums in full digital glory. I'll still keep my vinyl for nostalgic and sentimental reasons though. Also, many thanks to Ivan and MWH for sharing their creative genius with the world! Humphrey # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" Subject: (hats) I'm sooooo glad! Date: 07 May 1997 13:20:11 +0000 Hi Hatters! I am *very* relieved to hear/see all the pings from people who are getting their 2-fer CDs. WHEW!!! Those who are still waiting, hang on! I got one more yesterday, so they're still dribbling in. I ordered The Spell yesterday from the HMV in Toronto. I made the call at *just* the right time of day, apparently, as the girl said that the mail would be picked up in an hour and she would make sure that my order went out then!!! She said that their store had gotten a lot of calls, too. Maybe with all this $$ that Ivan is making from CD sales, he can extend his tour to include the southern US . This will be the first weekend we have had in a while without a dog show, so I have put "talk to the T-shirt shop about MWH shirts" at the top of my "D'oh, I really needed to do that last week" list. Hopefully, info will be forthcoming next week. (BTW, last weekend, we got our first qualifying score towards our AKC Novice Agility title - yaaaay Cocoa!) On a humorous note, a co-worker was trying to catch my attention this morning, but I was so engrossed in what I was doing, I didn't hear him. He went to the ToxRecords site and played the clip from Open Your Eyes. I heard the opening synth line and *leapt* over boxes of test items to *sprint* to his cube in under 3 seconds. He smirked, "I thought that might get your attention." Better than a pager, eh? Must dash, as yet another crisis rolls down the pike... ;-) Laura # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARBOWSKI JR CHARLES R Subject: (hats) how much Date: 07 May 1997 14:05:26 -0400 (EDT) To all those in the US who ordered Spell from HMV in Canada: How much did it cost? Thanks Charlie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: (hats) The Spell is broken, do you want a copy???? Date: 07 May 1997 18:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Hey hats fan!!! I just got my copy of The Spell... Wow, Dance, electronic.... Back to the good old time!!!! The sound is very near ABC, Pet shop boys, very very good. I went to HMV Montreal and they have a bunch of disk. I gave my name to the lady. If you want a copy, leave me a message. Price for THE SPELL (taxes and delivery included) : 22$ I did reserve 5 copies. If you are interested, leave me your name personally. Ciao!!!!!!! P.s. Claude, dont forget to tell us about the BIG LAUNCH! Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: (hats) Interview Date: 07 May 1997 18:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Hello again. I just taped an interview with Ivan at Place Ville Marie. He talked about the new album. Ciao Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Myke Carter Subject: (hats) My HMV Encounter O' The Day Date: 07 May 1997 17:15:26 -0500 I just got off of the phone with HMV to purchase a copy of Ivan's new CD. I finally, finally, finally convinced them that a VISA debit card functions just the same as a VISA credit card! And I did this in only 7 hours! Can you believe it?! They actually didn't want to accept it at first and kept telling me they couldn't - but then finally did. Geez! We'll see what happens now. I would suppose that my call was a good English-learning experience for the dear woman on the phone. Bless her heart. There are some parentheses in my work mailing address and she didn't understand me when I said 'parentheses'. It was fun trying to describe a set of parentheses without using that word. Gosh, I love French! I wish I understood how to speak it at all. Silly me studied stupid Spanish in high school. Oh well. Thanks for posting the phone number here in the Hats mailing list so I could order it. I'll let you know if I get it or not - and when, if I do. Myke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Howard Abraham" Subject: (Fwd) (hats) My HMV Encounter O' The Day Date: 07 May 1997 19:43:06 +0000 I ordered a copy from HMV today, too. I think they are getting accustomed to phone calls from the lower 48! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) My HMV Encounter O' The Day Date: 07 May 1997 21:33:31 EDT On Wed, 07 May 1997 17:15:26 -0500 Myke Carter writes: >Thanks for posting the phone number here in the Hats mailing list so I >could order it. I'll let you know if I get it or not - and when, if I >do. I have to second that....believe it or not I was in such a rush this morning I would hae forgotten again... Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tempe Video Subject: (hats) Order The Spell? Date: 07 May 1997 19:17:31 -0800 Hey folks, I accidentally deleted the listing with the number of the place in Canada to order THE SPELL. Would someone mind re-posting it for me? Thanks in advance... Regards, J.R. BOOKWALTER Visit Tempe Video & Press on the Web: http://members.aol.com/tempevideo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Turtle Subject: Re: (hats) ??? Date: 07 May 1997 19:49:21 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 1 May 1997, Eric Soderblom wrote: > Hey all, > Wow, I am so happy to see that our little MWH mailing list has turned > out to be a forum for religious and ethical debates! The poor guy > (Ivan) says a couple of bad words, and all of a sudden he's Satan. I > think those of you who don't like his use of profanity should NOT LISTEN > TO THE MUSIC, and go check out www.christian-coalition.org. Ok, off my > soapbox. The 3 CD's I would bring on a desert island are; > 1) Michael Jackson "Bad" > 2) John Tesh "Live at Red Rocks" > 3) Tiffany "Tiffany" > HA!!!!!!!! :-) > Peace, > Eric > Hey, don't knock Tiffany. She's my sister. [NOTICE: This message was delayed on its way to the list because it contained excess quoted text, which has been automatically removed. To prevent this from happening to your messages, be sure to include as little text as possible from the message you are responding to.] ***************************************************************** * King Dave of the Turtles - davall01@morehead-st.edu * ***************************************************************** * "Chacka Bracka Allen Caw, Ain't Nuthin' But A Frog Hop" * * -Turtle- * ***************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) how much Date: 07 May 1997 21:33:30 EDT $16.99 Canadian plus $5.00 shipping. Rod [NOTICE: This message was delayed on its way to the list because it contained excess quoted text, which has been automatically removed. To prevent this from happening to your messages, be sure to include as little text as possible from the message you are responding to.] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CDcollectr@aol.com Subject: (hats) new to the mailing list Date: 07 May 1997 23:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Hi, My name is Ray and I just subscribed to the mailing list yesterday. I have been a major hats fan since '83! Looking forward to reading and writing about the hats!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniele Rossi Subject: (hats) I am Spellbound Date: 08 May 1997 00:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Guess what I got today!!!! Yuppers, Ivan's first solo CD, "The Spell"! My thoughts on it are as follows. I must warn you that I will give some reviews of songs so if you don't want to read them and discover the songs for yourself then delte this message now!! :) Here goes...... THE COVER: Love it! I really don't know why I like it, but...well, I do! I like how his "logo" is a close-up on the back. The photo of Ivan is clasic Ivan. With that frank, blunt, "as-a-matter-of-fact" smile (has anyone else noticed this?). I have to admit that I love the shoes! For some reason I think I saw that picture somewhere before. Why aren't there any lyrics?? Oh well. There's always http://www.toxrecords.com. By the way, on that site, there's an e-mail address to "Ivan". Does anyone know if that is his address or an address about the CD? Anyone know what the "UFORIA" logo on the back of the CD is? THE SONGS: I admit that this album will have to grow on me BUT there are a lot of songs that I LOVE!!! "Superbadgirls", "Open Your Eyes", "1972 (Slippin' Away)", "Fly", and a few more which don't come to mind right now. I agree that the album is reminicent of "PGTW" and "21st Century" in a really dancey style. Other songs are too hiphoppish for me. There is a song where Ivan sings with the voice he used in the extended versions of "Pop Goes The World". "www" surpised me in the classic Ivan way. I was waiting for a song about the Internet (and maybe a mention of this list) but it really means "what a wonderful world" (not the song). "1972 (Slippin' Away)" seems to be Men Without Hats/Ivan meets Abba, Village People, Boney M meets mid-eighties pop meets "Born To Be Alive"! It is such a GREAT song! The woman talking in the song sounds like the woman in Mitou's "A Funny Place (The World Is)", where Ivan sings backup. I haven't checked my Mitsou tape but I am sure it is her because in both songs you hear a woman laugh and they are the same laugh (big deal, eh?). "Outro" is a nice touch. Just like the MWH days ;) I assume there are no hidden tracks. Anyone find any? THE CREDITS: Hm, I see a Betty Doroschuk is listed. Could she be the "Betty" in the "Eugene & Betty" he always sings about and dedicates "I Know Their Name"? And some of the MWH staff are listed (not band members). I see Colin Doroschuk wrote a song. Interesting to see what the other MWH members do. THE SINGLES: What I mean is, the songs I would choose to be released as a single. Besides "Open Your Eyes" of course (has anyone heard this on the radio?). "Forever", "Superbadgirls", and "You". I think "1972 (Slippin' Away)" would do very good in clubs. "Open Your Eyes" should do very good on the dance stations. I hope it does! I should request it. OVERALL: It feels so SURREAL that this album exists! I thought for sure MWH would never record again. Especially since I heard Ivan went back to school for film when I first subscribed to this wonderful mailing list. Even though I said it would take a few listens to grow on me, this album has many outstanding tracks (I am just not a fan of hip hop) and it is a must for your MWH collection! I only wish he also added French lyrics :) Anyone know if Ivan is trying to "forget" or seperate his present career from the Men Without Hats days? The only reason why I am asking that is because a lot of 80s bands now seem to be trying to leave that decade behind. I hope Ivan doesn't feel that way because he really has NOTHING to feel ashamed of! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" Subject: Re: (hats) My HMV Encounter O' The Day Date: 08 May 1997 09:17:24 +0000 Hi Hatters! Before I say anything else, Claude, please PLEASE tell us EVERYTHING about the premiere party last night. PLEASE?!?!? (don't make me whine - it's ugly) Myke said... > I just got off of the phone with HMV [horror story deleted] I wish I > understood how to speak it [French] at all. Try (Francois, correct my grammar s'il te plait) Si vous ne voulez pas accepter mon argent, j'acheterai le disque quelque'ou d'autre. {If you don't want to take my money, I will buy the disc from someplace else.} And if anyone really gives you a hard time, I have several choice phrases that a French teacher wouldn't have taught you. ;-) Or, try the HMV in Toronto, where they mostly speak English, except for adding "eh?" at the end of sentences. ;-) That # is 1-800-567-8468. My chat with them went like this... Me: My address is [blah blah blah] and the town is Efland. HMV salesgirl: Efland? Is that in Ontario, eh? Me: It's in North Carolina, USA, eh. HMV girl: Oh, OK, eh. Hope I haven't offended *too* many of our friends to the north! :-) Laura # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gigarpus Subject: Re: (hats) My HMV Encounter O' The Day Date: 08 May 1997 12:41:36 -0500 Hi everybody! First about the HMV incident in French: > Myke said... > > I just got off of the phone with HMV [horror story deleted] I wish I > > understood how to speak it [French] at all. > > Try (Francois, correct my grammar s'il te plait) Si vous ne voulez pas > accepter mon argent, j'acheterai le disque quelque'ou d'autre. > {If you don't want to take my money, I will buy the disc from > someplace else.} And if anyone really gives you a hard time, I have > several choice phrases that a French teacher wouldn't have taught > you. ;-) > When some french people are rude with you, you don't use such sophisticated sentence! Go for the basic "Vas chier" (pronounce "vaw shee-ey") and then hang up. I won't translate. > Before I say anything else, Claude, please PLEASE tell us EVERYTHING > about the premiere party last night. PLEASE?!?!? (don't make me > whine - it's ugly) > About the premier party; I hated it (it's so boring). BUT, it was nice seing Yvan again (last time was 7 years ago at a Lenny Gravitz concert). He was thinner than ever. He wore a Kiss wollen cap and pink sunglasses! (It reminded me of school days, Yvan always wore a woolen cap, EVEN DURING CLASSES!). He was full of adrenaline with all those reporters buzzing around him with microphones and cameras. He told me that he will be putting on some shows in late june in Canada (starting in Toronto). I asked him if he had a personnal e-mail address. He gave me the Tox record one. So if you want to reach him, that would be the most efficient way (he assured me he personnally read all e-mail addressed to him). The party was at a big fashionable restaurant on top of one of the highest sky-scraper in Montreal (Place Ville-Marie), a place where they don't usually allow people like me in (hey hey!). The record was loop-playing for the duration of the event, but the sound was not very good (to much noise from the crowd). I was also very please to meet Michel Langevin (drummer for Voivod). I directed 4 musical clips for Voivod, and I was the one who introduced them to Yvan (Michel played on SIDEWAYS, and Yvan played some keyboard for Voivod, on the ANGEL RAT album). All in all, nice peoples in the wrong place. If some of you are interested, I could scan the press-kit they were distributing at the party and make it available on the net? Anyway I have to go to work now, bye! Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike Subject: (hats) HMV boys 'n' girls Date: 08 May 1997 19:09:23 +0100 Aren't HMV a friendly bunch! Just ordered 3 copies of the spell, but have to wait up to 10 days for them... oh well, i suppose thats what happens when you live in London! If anyone else tells me how good it is in the next 10 days I'm gonna kill 'em :-) Moose (aka mike in a moose outfit!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Schachter Subject: (hats) IT CAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: 08 May 1997 16:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Hi! Just wanted to share my joy with everyone.... MY CD CAME!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you Larua, Thomas, Carl, and Ivan et al.!!!!!!!!!! Now I can concentrate on finishing my thesis... all to the tune of the very simple melodies! Jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARBOWSKI JR CHARLES R Subject: (hats) price Date: 08 May 1997 16:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Can anyone tell me if there is a price difference between the HMV in Toronto vs. Montreal. I would assume not since it's the same chain but you never know. Also does one have more in stock and thus would be able to get it to me faster? Thanks again, Charlie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gigarpus Subject: Re: (hats) I am Spellbound Date: 08 May 1997 17:50:42 -0500 Daniele Rossi wrote: > By the > way, on that site, there's an e-mail address to "Ivan". Does anyone know if > that is his address or an address about the CD? That's his address... > > The woman talking in the song sounds like the woman in Mitou's "A Funny > Place (The World Is)", where Ivan sings backup. I haven't checked my Mitsou > tape but I am sure it is her because in both songs you hear a woman laugh > and they are the same laugh (big deal, eh?). Same woman: Linda Benoy > Anyone know if Ivan is trying to "forget" or seperate his present career > from the Men Without Hats days? The only reason why I am asking that is > because a lot of 80s bands now seem to be trying to leave that decade > behind. I hope Ivan doesn't feel that way because he really has NOTHING to > feel ashamed of! He is not trying to forget anything! Bye! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CDcollectr@aol.com Subject: (hats) 2-fer HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: 08 May 1997 19:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Hi Everybody, Could someone please help me locate a copy of the "Rhythm Of Youth/ Folk Of The 80's" 2-fer CD please!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks very much. Ray # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: (hats) !!!!! Date: 08 May 1997 23:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Hi gang! The "Betty" into the CD credits, she's Ivan's mother.... Ciao! P.S. the price in montreal for THE SPELL taxes included is 19.05.... ciao again Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniele Rossi Subject: Re: (hats) price Date: 09 May 1997 11:35:05 -0400 (EDT) >Can anyone tell me if there is a price difference between the HMV in >Toronto vs. Montreal. I would assume not since it's the same chain but >you never know. Also does one have more in stock and thus would be able >to get it to me faster? I bought mine in Toronto where it costs $15.99 (plus 15% tax). That is, the one on Yonge Street at 333. Price differs from store to store in Toronto. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harding Jeff Subject: (hats) The Spell.... Date: 09 May 1997 12:19:08 -0400 Well, I found a CD player in an office down the hall, and was able to give a 1st listen to Ivan..Here is my INITIAL feedback on the CD: 1. The Spell Not my taste 2. Superbadgirls Good 3. Chain Reaction Not my taste 4. Open your eyes Totally AWESOME!! 5. 1972 (Slippin' away) Good 6. You Not my taste 7. Forever Very good! 8. www Not my taste 9. Somethin Very good! 10. Fly Very good! 11. Outro Not my taste Any feedback from others?? Remember, these are MY INITIAL feelings...they could change! Seeya... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Silvaggio Subject: (hats) Ivan's other recordings... Date: 09 May 1997 17:54:53 -0400 Hi y'all. Just finished watching a French interview with Ivan on MusiquePlus and was startled to hear that between the time Sideways came out and The Spell appeared, get this...he recorded a whole bunch of other songs including French jazz(!?!) and a follow-up to Sideways(!!). When asked where these songs are, Ivan replied that they were in his drawers at home. Wouldn't you just love to look through his drawers to see what kind of stuff you can find!! Maybe some unreleased RoY stuff? Man. Later, Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harding Jeff Subject: (hats) I GOT MINE!!! Date: 09 May 1997 11:37:41 -0400 All, I ordered my 'Spell' CD from HMV Montreal on Tuesday morning, 5/6....I work in Reston, Virginia and just went to my mailbox...THERE IT WAS! I can't wait to pop it in and give it a listen! TGIF! -Jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Kramer Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan's other recordings... Date: 09 May 1997 18:52:02 -0700 Hi Hatters!