From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu Subject: Re: (hats) Survey Date: 01 Oct 1997 00:19:01 -0400 (EDT) I thought the survey was very well done. I'm new to this list but I sense a great deal of hostility. Why is everybody so upset? Collin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aeldgyth@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) Survey silliness Date: 01 Oct 1997 00:22:26 -0400 (EDT) I must say I'm quite pleased that someone brought this up! Mw/oH and SoM have long been my two favorite bands. Those folks who cubbyhole by label can't catch the similarities -- say the Men are "technopop" and the Sisters are "gothic." But I played "Corrosion" for a friend from Antrim right after a barrage of Men, and he was surprised when I told him it was a different band! Thought it was just a "different phase" (I mean, is "Vision Thing" further removed from ROY than "Sideways?") What I like about them both is that neither throws a message at you -- just a perfect blend of sound and poetry which somehow, in the end, just incorporates itself right into the listener's philosophy. And hey -- I like "Sideways" too. I'd hate to think any of us would ever begrudge an artist the right to experiment! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu Subject: (hats) The Spell Date: 01 Oct 1997 00:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Claude, Do you know when The Spell will go in concert? I'm Collin, by the way. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aeldgyth@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) Hey Men Date: 01 Oct 1997 00:29:26 -0400 (EDT) "Orm-ways" is Pig-Latin for Worms... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu Subject: (hats) Concert Date: 01 Oct 1997 00:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Is this concert limited to certain members? I would love to go and I have both the local (upstate NY) and the time to go. I've been a fan for over 5 years now. I'm 18 now so since I just turned a teenager, I've been listening. Useless info but everybody else seems to know each other here so I figured I'd throw it out. I go to Ithaca College as well so if any kind of editing of tapes or sound is needed, I have the capabilities and I am a TVR (Television-Radio) major... Collin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: theartdept@worldnet.att.net (rod) Subject: Re: (hats) you didn't get the message Date: 01 Oct 1997 01:38:41 -0700 >What I like about them both is that neither throws a message at you -- just a >perfect blend of sound and poetry which somehow, in the end, just >incorporates itself right into the listener's philosophy. Geez, what band have YOU been listening to. How can you say MwH has no message. Listen to: Pop Goes the World Hey Men I'm In Love All We Do In the 21st Century Living in China the Safety Dance I Like The Spell Open Your Eyes I Got the Message (obviously) Or maybe you're too busy enjoying yourself to think that you might be learning something... :-) ahhh, great art sneaks up on you when you least suspect it... (don't you just HATE that??!!) MwH is practically a FOLK band... Rod Los Angeles "I have done a good thing, I got you thinking... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Col & Neen Subject: (hats) Heartbeat City Date: 01 Oct 1997 13:19:34 +0100 Does anyone else think that Heartbeat City by The Cars sounds very MWH'ish Although Rik Okasek's voice doesn't sound like Ivans, he has a very similar singing style (almost spoken, very few sustained notes). The Cars are usually a bland middle-of-the-road guitar rock band, but this album is very synth orientated and the riffs have a definite MWH ambience. Particularly Hattish are I Refuse, You Might Think & Heartbeat City. Does anyone else have this album and agree/disagree? Col # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu Subject: Re: (hats) Comments on Survey Date: 01 Oct 1997 09:49:01 -0400 (EDT) How do I go about purchasing a ticket (when the time comes) for the concert? Collin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Col & Neen Subject: (hats) "The Survey" - a comment Date: 01 Oct 1997 13:15:36 +0100 I've not been on this list for very long and so missed my opportunity to vote on this song list that seems to have caused such a stir. I have however been reading the postings about it with interest and would like to make a few observations 1. It seems to me that the people who collated the results have put a lot of time and effort into doing so and are justified in being offended when their efforts are maligned by everyone just because it isn't identical to their own personal list. How about a bit of gratitude! At the end of the day, all they have done collate YOUR votes and reported the results. We shouldn't shoot the messenger just because we don't like the message! 2. I agree with some of the postings that question our right to TELL Ivan what songs he should play. Ivan has been in the business for a very long time now and I am quite sure that he has a very good idea of what it is his audience want to hear. The man is putting on a private show for us - isn't that enough? Everyone seems to want to have their cake and eat it. I would ideally like to see the concert be a retrospective of MWH through the years, with Ivan playing HIS favorite songs from ALL the albums (including The Spell), giving his reasons why each track was selected. I think the insights as to why he chose various songs would be fascinating. 3. You guys all seem to be missing the point about live shows. Half the thrill of a live show is NOT KNOWING what will be played. OK, your favorite might not make the cut, but I have been to several shows by other artists where an average album track has been transformed into an awesome live one. I for one have never gone home unhappy from a live show just because they didn't play such and such. 4. It's one thing to demand what you want played, but to also demand what version - come on, give the guy some credit! Again, there'e nothing I like more in a live show than when a band take one of their classics and perform it in a completely new and different way - doing an acoustic version, or turning a 3 minute song into a 10 minute opus. You all love Ivan for his musical creativity - don't stifle it! 5. Another great treat for me at a live concert, is when a band you love cover someone else's song in their own style. Ivan has already proved he is good at this (SOS, I am the walrus) and I would love to hear him surprise us with cover we've not heard him do before. 6. The track list published seems to me to be very similar to the bootleg CD concerts already out there. Surely it would be nice to hear some different stuff, if only for the CD afterwards. 7. Does Ivan ever read postings to this list? Has he ever posted one himself? If he does, perhaps he should post his views and end this bickering once and for all. When push comes to shove, we're all on this list for the same reason - because we love MWH, if Ivan came on and sang "Twinkle twinkle little star" I'd still go home happy - 'cos he'd sung it for us - and ONLY US! While I'm on the subject of the concert - where has this number of 100 or so attendees come from? Is this the number of us on the list or is there an attendees list somewhere - if there is, how do I go about getting my name on it? I am hoping to travel over to Montreal from the UK just for the concert. It would be a once in a lifetime experience for me (but I hope not!) Col # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brad Hull Subject: Re: (hats) Heartbeat City Date: 01 Oct 1997 12:15:46 -0400 At 01:19 PM 10/1/97 +0100, Col & Neen wrote: > >Does anyone else think that Heartbeat City by The Cars sounds very MWH'ish >Col I have always been a big Cars fan and agree that the synth influence on Heartbeat City is reminiscent of MWH. I think the poppiness of many Cars songs is another reason I link the two bands as favourites of mine. Brad Hull bhull@uoguelph.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Mattingly Subject: RE: (hats) Heartbeat City Date: 01 Oct 1997 13:28:46 -0400 >The Cars are usually a bland middle-of-the-road guitar rock band > I've always thought of them as new wave, myself. > > Some of their earlier stuff has a hats-ish sound to it, like Moving in > Stereo and others. > > Dave Mattingly > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniele Rossi Subject: Re: (hats) Sisters of Mercy Date: 01 Oct 1997 14:06:10 -0400 >Yes the similarity has been mentioned some time before on the list, >I believe Andrew Eldrich's voice is sometimes pretty close to Ivan's. When I first heard "Temple of Love 92" on the radio, I thought it was Men Without Hats and didn't even notice the change in music style!! And I was sad about "Sideways". Go figure. I was also happy because the song featured my other fav artist, Ofra Haza. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The August issue of my SpAsTiCkS! Online Comic Book is up at http://www.interlog.com/~daniele This month's title: "Doc McGurgle's Babylonian Lizard Tooth Oil" Be sure to hit the reload button if you see the previous issue! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kajjia Goria Subject: (hats) Cars Date: 01 Oct 1997 13:49:34 -0700 If you noticed, any of the songs on the Sideways albums sound "Bowieish"? It sounds just like David Bowie. I even freaked out my sis when I let her listen to it! Aaron Gitlin http://kajjia.home.ml.org Security, everyone feels better with... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kajjia Goria Subject: (hats) Theme Pack Date: 01 Oct 1997 14:19:56 -0700 I have just U\L my theme! It only took 8 million years, but I got around to it. It has a background and sound events. Allison has icons on her page you can use. The theme is at http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/hudsucker/38/theme.zip D\L it, if ya'd like. I would also appreciate some input on it. The pictures used were from different sites I have found, and the sounds are all copied from the "Collection" CD. Catch ya latez! Aaron Gitlin http://kajjia.home.ml.org Security, everyone feels better with... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ar154@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Angela Tooley) Subject: (hats) "The Survey" - a comment Date: 01 Oct 1997 19:21:28 -0400 (EDT) I wholeheartedly agree with what was written in the lengthy message posting by Col & Neen. I think my thoughts and opinions could not have been expressed better if I had written them down myself. Thank you! Hope to see you at the show! Angie -- ### # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) Comments on Survey Date: 01 Oct 1997 23:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Hi Collin. I'm organizing this show in Montreal. It will be probably next year, I have to finalize the deal. ciaoo P.s. Yes we have 250 tickers for the gang! Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kaw143@webtv.net (Keith Walker) Subject: (hats) Re: MWH check Date: 01 Oct 1997 23:42:18 -0500 MWH checks would be great! Does anyone out there work for Delux? :) Yours Sincerely, Wasting Away # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kaw143@webtv.net (Keith Walker) Subject: (hats) Re: Hey Men Date: 01 Oct 1997 23:51:56 -0500 Ivan also sings, "Quit mowing your children down". As any teenager would tell you (and we've all been there, if we aren't there now), no child "belongs" to his parents, any more than a woman "belongs" to a man; nevertheless, with both relationships comes a certain amount of comittment, and we do come to rely on this comittent as a right owed to us (Just watch Divorce Court, if you don't believe me :) ). Just the opposite of these lines lines, then, would also be true: ". . .mowing YOUR parents" or "pushing YOUR men", for example. . . . Yours Sincerely, Wasting Away # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric W. Soderblom" Subject: (hats) Various stuff Date: 01 Oct 1997 23:57:23 -0700 Hey Men (and Women), 1. I have noticed that when new members come on line, they almost all notice that we do a lot of bickering on this site. I don't know if this is a good or bad thing. I guess that it is bad, but then again we all kind-of have this bond of loving the best band ever (in my opinion) and so what if we bicker. I am glad that my favorite band is so obscure and not some commercial 'success'. 2. I ordered 'Sideways' and 'The Spell' from A&B Online in Vancouver. Thanks to whoever posted their address on the list. I looked around and the prices were much less than anywhere else I found. 3. I added a couple of things to my site map. The title may take a while to download, but I think it is worth the wait. For those of you who have forgot, it's at http://home.earthlink.net/~soderblom. 4 now I am out of here. -Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nikolai81@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) Heartbeat City Date: 01 Oct 1997 23:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Heartbeat City is a great tune. It could be something by the Hats, but doesn't it seem a little darker, kind of like Modern(e) Dancing or Security? Nikolai # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: swooldri@lucent.com Subject: (hats) Concert/Survey Date: 02 Oct 1997 14:34:59 +0100 As an impartial viewer to the concert/survey happenings (as I won`t be able to go), I find some of the recent opinions on what should be played absolutely astounding. I`m not even sure that the survey on the setlist was a great idea, especially since there has been a lot of arguement as to the results. Let`s take one step backwards and think about the concept of a private show by a man whose music is idolised/well-liked by members of this list. How many artists would even consider taking such step? We should consider ourselves privileged that Ivan has actually agreed to do this. Now onto the setlist. It shouldn`t actually matter whether Ivan is playing to 10 people or 1,000 - he should have the freedom to choose what he plays. If he is not comfortable playing a particular song or feels that he really wants to play another then that`s his choice. I know if I were him and I was presented with a `set` setlist with no deviation allowed, then my initial reaction would be to say `Sod it` and call the whole thing off. How many of you are going to refuse see another person/group live if they don`t play exactly what you want them to? You should be treating this as a special event and not as your right to hear certain material. ttfn, Si ******************************************* * Si Wooldridge * * Senior Systems Equipment Engineer * * Lucent Technologies Network Systems UK * * * * e-mail : swooldri@lucent.com * ******************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Claude Grégoire Subject: Re: (hats) Concert/Survey Date: 02 Oct 1997 09:42:58 +0000 swooldri@lucent.com wrote: > > I know if I were him and > I was presented with a `set` setlist with no deviation allowed... For the nth time (and repeat ad infinitum), WE ARE NOT IMPOSING ANYTHING! WE ARE MERELY SUGGESTING! Let's talk about something else, please!!!! Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: * Subject: (hats) [Fwd: Re: legal issue ?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!??? Date: 02 Oct 1997 12:31:14 +0000 freeze@pop.tiac.net wrote: We're the ones holding the checkbook. If Ivan doesn't > perform the songs specified in the contract, then it could become a > legal issue. > to whoever you are: a legal issue ??!!!!!??? (what a dumb thing to say) who do YOU really think WE are ??? Since when are we telling Ivan what songs to perform ???? When a venue, a publicity agent and / or a management company books an artist to perform - the contract NEVER specifies what songs the artist is obligated to perform- you should feel priviledged that we are getting the opportunity to Suggest what we would like to hear- PERIOD. Wolfgang # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: * Subject: [Fwd: (hats) Concert/Survey] Date: 02 Oct 1997 12:34:49 +0000 swooldri@lucent.com wrote: > > As an impartial viewer to the concert/survey happenings (as I won`t be > able to go), I find some of the recent opinions on what should be played > absolutely astounding. > If he is not comfortable playing a particular song or feels that he really > wants to play another then that`s his choice. I know if I were him and > I was presented with a `set` setlist with no deviation allowed, then my > initial reaction would be to say `Sod it` and call the whole thing off. > > How many of you are going to refuse see another person/group live if they > don`t play exactly what you want them to? > > You should be treating this as a special event and not as your right to > hear certain material. > > ttfn, > > Si > I couldnt agree more- lets all try and be a little thankful that this intimate concert is even going to happen. wolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LORD HASENPFEFFER Subject: (hats) Hmmm... Date: 02 Oct 1997 12:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Hat checks. Heh! Myke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rush " Subject: RE: (hats) don't leave!!! Date: 02 Oct 1997 17:03:27 UT EXACTLY! Rush -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 7:43 AM > Lets face it - we can't tell Ivan what songs he has to perform, We can't? We're the ones holding the checkbook. If Ivan doesn't perform the songs specified in the contract, then it could become a legal issue. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rush " Subject: RE: (hats) [Fwd: Re: legal issue ?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!??? Date: 02 Oct 1997 17:08:42 UT Get real, that's when THEY are marketing to the public, not when WE are contracting to do the show, does anyone see the difference here? I know Francis does (freeze as well), it's just simply that we are negotiating a contract... Cordially, Rush [+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+] [+] A is A. The basic premise of Objectivism. [+] [+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+] freeze@pop.tiac.net wrote: We're the ones holding the checkbook. If Ivan doesn't > perform the songs specified in the contract, then it could become a > legal issue. > to whoever you are: a legal issue ??!!!!!??? (what a dumb thing to say) who do YOU really think WE are ??? Since when are we telling Ivan what songs to perform ???? When a venue, a publicity agent and / or a management company books an artist to perform - the contract NEVER specifies what songs the artist is obligated to perform- you should feel priviledged that we are getting the opportunity to Suggest what we would like to hear- PERIOD. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Senz Subject: Re: (hats) Concert/Survey Date: 02 Oct 1997 11:17:17 -0600 > I know if I were him and > I was presented with a `set` setlist with no deviation allowed, then > my > initial reaction would be to say `Sod it` and call the whole thing > off. Except that you are not Ivan. Ivan has a different outlook than this. He sees this concert as an opportunity to be with and entertain the people who have supported him. He is grateful to have fans at all and doesn't carry that Rock ego that you're expecting. All his songs include messages that are important to Ivan and if a group of people request a few then he will play them with honor and pride (and possibly hope). How do I know this? Because of the last 16 years I've spent listening to his music, talking to Ivan directly and doing research on him and his band. Simply put, I know Ivan's personality. Ivan wants us all to get along and understand and respect each other. btw, I accept the set list released a few days ago. It's not identical to mine but I will enjoy hearing it. In my opinion, it's a good one. After all, they're all written by a genius! Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rush " Subject: (hats) Bickering? Wake Up. Date: 02 Oct 1997 17:36:59 UT Somebody mentioned that we are "bickering". I disagree. I think when you have people that are passionate about something (Mw/oH) you are going to have disagreements about many issues and such is the essence of life. Sure sometimes it will get "heated" as far as that can happen on A COMPUTER LIST, but so what? As long as there are no personal attacks of the "you are stupid" variety, the "your OPINION is stupid" is fine. In my opinion, anyone who takes seriously an attack from an anonymous bunch of words on a computer screen has a whole lot of things that they should be spending time on (mental stability comes to mind). I for one am extremely grateful to have this opportunity with Ivan, however, as I said earlier, I have no intention of driving from Chicago to Montreal to hear Ivan's experimental acid-jazz set which he thought his closest fans might enjoy in an intimate setting. I agree with Senz, regardless of YOUR personal feelings, we are NEGOTIATING A CONTRACT, there is give and take, and it happens every day. IVAN even negotiates contracts (I know, shocker to all you "arteeest" types out there) but without a contract there would be no Spell. And rest assured Tox spent little time worrying about Ivan's integrity, the made sure, first and foremost, that they could make money. Sorry about the elementary econ lesson, but oh well. Cordially, Rush [+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+] [+] A is A. The basic premise of Objectivism. [+] [+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+][+] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Senz Subject: Re: (hats) Concert/Survey Date: 02 Oct 1997 11:55:02 -0600 I think my tone was a little strong in my last post. I'm not angry, but perhaps a little frustrated with the lack of understanding of Ivan. My apologies. Also, I believe 1997 - 1983 = 14 and not 16. (I'm building a robot these days and the number 16 just happens to be in my head a lot.) : ) Peace, Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Angela Tooley Subject: (hats) come on, guys... Date: 02 Oct 1997 13:09:02 -0400 I think that all the bickering I have been reading lately defeats the whole purpose of this concert we are trying to arrange. I thought this show would be a good way for the "Hats list" to get a sense of unity and purpose previously unfelt by us. I thought getting to know one another face-to-face and on a personal level would help "bridge the gap" between real people and computer interface. But with all the arguing and debating going on among members of the group, it will be a wonder if we ever really feel that sense of unity. Not only that, but all this inner fighting is defeating another purpose as well - making new members to the list feel "at home" and welcomed. When I first subscribed, the first week I was on, I had to endure a continuing and lengthy battle between 2 of the list members, and I must admit it turned me off a little bit. Think of those who are just joining us, people who, like us, have loved MWH for years. Finally they hook up with us and not only do they find all the information and discussion they have been looking for forever, they also find evidence of hostility and disrespect. This kind of behavior does us all a disservice. I believe strongly in freedom of speech, but even more strongly I believe in tact and respect. Remember the famous words: "A house divided against itself cannot stand." Think about it in relation to this organization. Think about it in terms of trying to organize this concert. Let's not blow it all with constant bickering. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alan Pendleton" Subject: Re: (hats) [Fwd: Re: legal issue ?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!??? Date: 02 Oct 1997 10:18:46 PDT I agree totally with Wolfgang Who is this shithead ? Legal issues !!!! Holding the checkbook!!!!. If I was Ivan and read this I'd cancel the concert straight away, I can't believe a fan could write anything like that. It's making him out as a performing monkey. Do you propose we withold payment until after the show and then reduce his fee by the amount of songs requested he didn't perform ? I'm totally against a proposed set list, by all means suggest to Ivan a few songs we'd like to hear, but under no circumstances should you impose conditions that he must play certain songs. I really can't see how you can ask someone to do you a favour, and then start imposing conditions on him. Its not as though its actually all that much money once Theatre rental, managers cut, lighting and sound engineers and any other musicians, etc. have been paid off. And how long will it take to rehearse songs he's not play'd in over ten years ? Two weeks ? more ? I think some of you are asking a bit much. This attitude of 'I've paid my 30 dollars therefore he must play my favourite song(s)' seems totally wrong to me, espicially as you are supposed to be his fans. >freeze@pop.tiac.net wrote: >We're the ones holding the checkbook. If Ivan doesn't >> perform the songs specified in the contract, then it could become a >> legal issue. >> >to whoever you are: >a legal issue ??!!!!!??? (what a dumb thing to say) >who do YOU really think WE are ??? >Since when are we telling Ivan what songs to perform ???? >When a venue, a publicity agent and / or a management company books an >artist to perform - the contract NEVER specifies what songs the artist >is obligated to perform- >you should feel priviledged that we are getting the opportunity to >Suggest what we would like to hear- PERIOD. > >Wolfgang > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: (hats) Ivan's show --- update Date: 02 Oct 1997 16:25:50 -0400 (EDT) I guess my English is very bad because people make a scene with nothing. Ok, regarding the show, I will propose to Ivan to play the 15 most wanted songs. Those 15 songs are not specialy my choice, but I will recommend Ivan to play them because the majority of the people want them. So, I will not FORCE HIM to play thos songs, but to pick may be 10 songs on 15 and play them. The show is gonna have a "nostalgy" concept. So, I will try to have Stefan and Colin on stage too. Ciao Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: (hats) Ivan's show --- update Date: 02 Oct 1997 16:24:41 -0400 (EDT) I guess my English is very bad because people make a scene with nothing. Ok, regarding the show, I will propose to Ivan to play the 15 most wanted songs. Those 15 songs are not specialy my choice, but I will recommend Ivan to play them because the majority of the people want them. So, I will not FORCE HIM to play thos songs, but to pick may be 10 songs on 15 and play them. The show is gonna have a "nostalgy" concept. So, I will try to have Stefan and Colin on stage too. Ciao Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marty \[Hatless\]" Subject: (hats) A concert by any other name Date: 02 Oct 1997 16:23:44 PDT I could be wrong, but as I remember it, this concert idea was started a while ago based upon this thread: - how can we pay for the 2fers and bootlegs when Ivan isn't getting any residuals from them - didn't he already make money off them in their original release? - no, Ivan made virtually no money off of the albums ("not enough to buy a bicycle", as someone put it) - maybe we could take up a collection for him, or give him a certain amount per CD? - no, that's charity, let's instead ask him to do a concert for us, his closest and biggest fans I know that we're all itching to see him live; I'm considering flying up from LA. But this concert was originally to do one thing: support Ivan as an artist. Please don't be overcome by your greed for "the perfect Ivan concert bootleg", to the point where you'll put down other list members who just want to get the show off the ground. Direct insults or muffled sarcasm, it's easy to take criticism seriously, and while I realize that intelligent objections are perfectly at home on a mailing list, could we please try and stifle it for this thread? The show was originally to benefit Ivan. Wouldn't it be enough to just show him the survey, or all the surveys if there are several, and ask him if he could keep them in mind when he makes up his set list? Col and Neen's (it was you, wasn't it?) comment on Ivan singing "Twinkle Twinkle" was right on; he could sing anything for me live and I'd probably go directly to heaven. It would be a dream to enjoy a show by Ivan, with the most devoted Mw/oH fans anywhere. For many of us, this is our first chance to see him ever. Let's not screw it up with anger or overdeveloped expectations. Frankly, $30 a ticket isn't that bad. I'd consider $300. Oh, and one more thing: to the poster earlier who called the "legal issue" poster a s**thead -- I agree with what you're saying 100%, but try not to use profanity to say it. I mean, I curse like a sailor too, offline; but on lists let's try to keep it clean, shall we? ««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««« « American radio, in your homes and bars. « » It's music to my ears in a foreign car. » »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»hatless@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kajjia Goria Subject: (hats) Concert Date: 02 Oct 1997 16:42:35 -0700 On a lighter note about the concert... I was wonderig where it was going to take place. I keep reading Montreal, but I can never be too sure. Also, if it is in Montreal, can someone please tell me how much airfare to Canada from Las Vegas, NV, USA is? Also, do I need a passport? These may sound like ridiculous questions, but, I am only 15 and ca only find so much out on my own. Thank you all very much! Aaron Gitlin http://kajjia.home.ml.org } Personal Home Page http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/hudsucker/38/index.html } MWH Page Security, everyone feels better with... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kajjia Goria Subject: Re: (hats) A concert by any other name Date: 02 Oct 1997 16:46:01 -0700 here here, my friend Aaron Gitlin http://kajjia.home.ml.org } Personal Home Page http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/hudsucker/38/index.html } MWH Page Security, everyone feels better with... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccampbell@spindle.net (ccampbell@spindle.net) Subject: Re: (hats) come on, guys... Date: 02 Oct 1997 17:39:50 -0500 Angela Tooley wrote: > > I think that all the bickering I have been reading lately defeats the > whole > purpose of this concert we are trying to arrange. I thought this show > would be > a good way for the "Hats list" to get a sense of unity and purpose > previously > unfelt by us. > Not only that, but all this inner fighting is defeating another purpose > as well - > making new members to the list feel "at home" and welcomed. Hmmmmm............... Yes, I suppose there is SOME "bickering" going on around here. Years ago, Ivan told us "you can act real rude and totally removed and I can act like an imbecile". It's okay sometimes, but not when it goes on and on, like with this playlist thing. Like Angie said, one of the main reasons behind this private show is so that list members can meet in person for a change. Sure, it would be great if we could formulate a playlist that everyone positively agreed on, but that's simply not going to happen. We all have our personal favorites and there's just too much MWH material to choose from. Let's not look at this concert from a purely musical standpoint. Ivan's not actually going to be playing anything we haven't already heard, right? Now, I know that some of us live far, some VERY far, from where the concert is to be held, and that the financial investment will be considerable in order to go. Still, let's not make such a big deal about not getting to hear every single song we want. Whatever get's played, it'll be good because Ivan is the one playing it. Although I won't be able to attend the concert myself, I'd hate to see it get messed up for anyone just because of a few differences of opinion. And yes, let's strive to make new list members feel welcome. Back when I first signed on, there was a particularly nasty series of exchanges. I decided to wait for things to settle out. They did, and I'm glad I stayed on, because this list has proven so informative and useful! Several members have provided me with recordings I'd have had no chance of getting elsewhere. There's going to be complaining and such once in a while, no doubt about it, but let's not get TOO hostile. It's reflects badly on us. Cameron # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kajjia Goria Subject: (hats) New Page Date: 02 Oct 1997 16:55:36 -0700 Hey folks. I have just re-vamped my MWH web page. I no longer have it as a link on my main page, but a seperate entity all together. It is located at: http://menwohats.home.ml.org I have not changed too much, with the exception of the files section. Check it out and suggest anything you have to say, please. Thank you much! Aaron Gitlin http://kajjia.home.ml.org } Personal Home Page http://menwohats.home.ml.org } MWH Page Security, everyone feels better with... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Senz Subject: Re: (hats) A concert by any other name Date: 02 Oct 1997 18:34:37 -0600 Marty [Hatless] wrote: > I could be wrong, but as I remember it, this concert idea was started > a > while ago based upon this thread: > > - how can we pay for the 2fers and bootlegs when Ivan > isn't getting any residuals from them > - didn't he already make money off them in their > original release? > - no, Ivan made virtually no money off of the albums > ("not enough to buy a bicycle", as someone put it) > - maybe we could take up a collection for him, or give > him a certain amount per CD? > - no, that's charity, let's instead ask him to do a > concert for us, his closest and biggest fans > Thanks for bringing this up, Marty, I was beginning to wonder if this discussion had been completely forgotten!! Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric W. Soderblom" Subject: Re: (hats) don't leave!!! Date: 02 Oct 1997 18:01:19 -0700 WHAT?!?!?!? > > We can't? We're the ones holding the checkbook. If Ivan doesn't > perform the songs specified in the contract, then it could become a > legal issue. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric W. Soderblom" Subject: Re: (hats) New Page Date: 02 Oct 1997 18:07:58 -0700 Hey- My computer can't find this page. Typo on your end, or my computer????? -Eric . It is located at: > http://menwohats.home.ml.org # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kaw143@webtv.net (Keith Walker) Subject: (hats) Re: Concert set list Date: 02 Oct 1997 23:54:54 -0500 I, for one, am very disturbed by the suggestion that Ivan's not playing the songs selected by us could become a "legal issue". Francis, please let the man know that, first and foremost, I am interested in a private show from him, as oppsed to having a live Wirlitzer to play what I want to hear. I think the suggestions from the past couple of days are the most level-headed I've heard: Ivan should use the list as a general guideline and, based on it, play what he wants to play. Frankly, I am very excited about the show and I want nothing to jeopardize our plans -- and threats of legal action, no matter how they were intended, might do just that! Please, let's calm down and forget about the @@!!## favotites list, already! I'm sure that Ivan will be as interested to see the results as we obviously were. I am also sure that he will realize that we were simply voicing our opinions, not re-writing the Bible! Yours Sincerely, Wasting Away # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" Subject: (hats) Dedications... Date: 03 Oct 1997 08:44:31 +0000 OK everyone, I think it's definitely time for a new topic! It's Saturday night, and the dedication lines at your local radio station are open. You know that Ivan is in town and listening to this radio station (since during the rest of the week it plays cool stuff like ABBA, Roxy Music, and T Rex ;-) ), and you think, "Wow, it would be fun to send a song to Ivan!" What song (can be ANYTHING) would you dedicate to Ivan? My answer later . . . :-) Laura # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Claude Grégoire Subject: Re: (hats) Dedications... Date: 03 Oct 1997 09:35:54 +0000 Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer wrote: > > OK everyone, I think it's definitely time for a new topic! I'm with you 100% on that one... > What song (can be ANYTHING) would you dedicate to Ivan? It can be ANYTHING (so it can be more than one song)? here goes: Fu Man Chu (by Robert Charlebois) Rock'n Roll Suicide (by David Bowie) Le Desert (by Raoul Duguay) Lumieres (by Gerard Manset) Seven Seconds (by Youssou N'dour & Neneh Cherry) I'll stop here (there is almost a concept in that list!). Take care everybody Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: freeze@pop.tiac.net Subject: (hats) the great concert debate Date: 03 Oct 1997 08:43:58 +0000 > > How many of you are going to refuse see another person/group live if they > > don`t play exactly what you want them to? The difference is that the purpose of this show is not to promote his latest disc. The difference is that this show is not playing to 10,000 screaming fans. The difference is that this is a private show that we are organizing. > > You should be treating this as a special event and not as your right to > > hear certain material. This is absolutely a special event. Most of us never had a chance to see Men Without Hats when the songs were new. Most of us will never have this opportunity again. What is wrong with telling Ivan that we appreciate his music by giving him a list of our favorite songs? The fans are putting effort into compiling a list that represents the songs that mean the most to us. Are our feelings irrelevant? Wouldn't Ivan WANT to know this information? When Ingrid Bergman asked Sam to play "As Time Goes By", did Sam feel injured as an artist? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: freeze@pop.tiac.net Subject: (hats) Re: your stupid comments Date: 03 Oct 1997 08:43:58 +0000 > You have totally offended Alan, Michelle, Rod, Lisa, Wolfgang and myself. > Why don't you do us all a favour, and keep ypur stupid "legal" comments to > yourself. It was not my intent to offend anyone. I was simply pointing out that it is unlikely that Ivan would not fulfill anything that was in writing because he is a businessman as well as an artist. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marty \[Hatless\]" Subject: Re: (hats) the great concert debate Date: 03 Oct 1997 07:01:37 PDT Actually, I wouldn't say there was anything wrong at all with showing Ivan the survey list; I would imagine he'd love to see what legacy his music is creating. However, mandating the music he must play? I suppose there's nothing totally morally wrong with it, but it just seems so unnecessary. Are we actually worried that he's going to do nothing but 18 different renditions of 21st Century Safety Dance :)? I would think that the show, which is just as much for Ivan's sake as for ours, should be one which he'll enjoy as well, and I would guess (although I could be completely wrong) that he'd like the freedom to develop his own set list. Isn't it likely he'll play the majority of the audience's favorite songs anyway (seeing as they were so conveniently listed for him in advance)? Have faith in Ivan, comrade. He works in mysterious ways, but not THAT mysterious. :) ««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««« « American radio, in your homes and bars. « » It's music to my ears in a foreign car. » »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»hatless@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MENDESJR@if.ufrgs.br Subject: (hats) The Spell Date: 03 Oct 1997 11:15:33 -0003 Claudio Jr. (South America - BRASIL) HEY MWH fan list: Yesterday I hear by my first time the "Open Your Eyes" video in a mexican channel (TELE UNO) that I watch barely. I don't believe it because is almost impossibble to imagine that this video appear in a chanell like this. So, I would like to know whether there are another videomusics about the "The Spell". Or better: Is there the "The Spell" video? If it exists, PLEASE contact with me. I live in a country where there are a few stuffs about MWH. For example, I never heard musics like "Freeways" or "Heaven" and I never watch any MWH video (Recently I ordered 2 videotapes and the copies of the 3CD bootleg). Here in BRASIL, land of the football and the carnival, MWH is call a SURF MUSIC BAND because a few people knows the New Wave debut CD's of this band, only knows the "Adventures of...without hate" and the Sideways. What the far away countries from Canada that has MWH fans in the world? Japan? China? :):) So, Everybody needs to comunicate with everybody. Waiting your e-mail............:) Um grande abraco a todos! (A big hug for everybody!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Claude Grégoire Subject: (hats) Sorry folks (of the 90's) Date: 03 Oct 1997 10:07:26 +0000 Hi all, this message is addressed to Myke Carter I first sent you this message september 11th! I resent it at least 10 times. It always bounce back! So here's a shorter version of my message... About your MWH page, you should do something about the text (red on red is just impossible to read). There is also a small typo in your list of songs; "Valese d'Eug=E9nie" should read "Valse d'Eug=E9nie". Bye all, Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marty \[Hatless\]" Subject: Re: (hats) Sorry folks (of the 90's) Date: 03 Oct 1997 08:42:53 PDT >There is also a small typo in your list of >songs; "Valese d'Eugenie" should read "Valse d'Eugenie". Whoah -- wait a minute. I just checked six different copies of PGTW, and only one of them has the song listed as "La VALSE D'Eugenie" (I'm omitting the accent because Hotmail hates them), and that's the American domestic CD release. The other five (Canadian domestic release cassette, Canadian export release cassette, American domestic release cassette, American domestic release vinyl, Canadian domestic release vinyl) all say "La VALESE D'Eugenie". However, seeing as "valse" means waltz in French, and "valese" means absolutely nothing, it looks like a typo of longstanding was finally corrected on the transfer to CD. Either way, if I hadn't looked it up right now, I would have made the same typo Myke did. Of course, there is always the possibility that the song really is named "La Valese D'Eugenie". Perhaps it was intentional...? ««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««« « American radio, in your homes and bars. « » It's music to my ears in a foreign car. » »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»hatless@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Claude Grégoire Subject: Re: (hats) Sorry folks (of the 90's) Date: 03 Oct 1997 11:55:11 +0000 Marty [Hatless] wrote: > > However, seeing as "valse" means waltz in French, and "valese" means > absolutely nothing, it looks like a typo of longstanding was finally > corrected on the transfer to CD. You got that right! > Of course, there is always the possibility that the song really is named > "La Valese D'Eugenie". Perhaps it was intentional...? No way. It's Valse, not Valese... Claude the frenchy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Claude Grégoire Subject: (hats) Hats one day... Date: 03 Oct 1997 12:52:55 +0000 Helllllo! (anybody watch Senfield yesterday?) First a message about the Who's Who list. If you find your name in the list below, it means I have remove you from the who's who list because I didn't have confirmation from you that you wanted to stay in. If you change your mind, or if you just wake up, or if you don't know what the heck I'm talking about go to: http://www.total.net/~gigarpus/whoswho_mwh.html and read the easy instructions. The "removed" fans are Anthonetta Nel (meaning we don't have a representant from Africa anymore), Mike Best, Thomas Bieler, Mark Causer, Chris Handshaw, Jonas Lantz, Fran=E7ois Blawat, Charlie Garbowski= , Paul Go, Russ Kemsley, David King, Rod MacQuarrie, Marty McKolskey, Andrew Pepoy, Ray Peterson, David Richards, Gino Rodeghier, Donald Stroud, Jim Sustacek, Michael Ward, Adam Webber and Adam J. Weitzman. Now about the FAQ page. Those of you who visited the page noticed that there was a litle banner on top of each page to allow fast navigation between the different sections. You may have noticed that two of the icons (yellow stripe on pink background and MWH logo) lead to the main page. I decide to use the MWH logo icon for a different purpose. It will now lead to a "special feature" (known only to the members of the list and to the very investigative). I already install one of these features on the who's who section. Go check it out, it should put a smile on your face... Now a little request. The links section of the FAQ page is getting huge. I would like to add a page (special feature) listing the ten best MWH site or ressource on the web. Since this thing is highly subjective, I would like to put it to a vote (oh no, not again!). So send me your vote directly (not more than 10 URL, sorted from most favorite to least favorite) with a comment justifying each of your choices. For obvious reasons, the FAQ page is not eligible! There is no deadline for this vote. As soon as I have enough results, I'll publish a list (with links giving access to comments from the voters). The list will after that be updated with each new vote received. Thank you for your attention, have a nice week-end Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Angela Tooley Subject: (hats) Dedication Date: 03 Oct 1997 12:57:52 -0400 Oh, Boy! A new topic! This sounds like a fun one too. I can't wait to hear everyone's responses. I guess initially I would say "Supper's Ready" by Genesis, because... well, Ivan would know why. Claude, you are going to have to play those songs for me the next time I see you! Angie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Holdman" Subject: (hats) Crazy Date: 03 Oct 1997 11:11:39 +0000 Your all crazy Even you, your crazy. :) -Richard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David P. King" Subject: (hats) MWH Bootleg in discography... Date: 03 Oct 1997 12:10:44 -0600 Does anyone on the list actually have this CD that's listed in the discography? Men Without Hats: Ultra Rare Tracks [1995] CD-R bootleg; may only be one copy CD: 1995 US (...) [demo tracks, ivan only:] 3:45 Gravity Is My Enemy 2:56 Living In China (demo version) 3:33 "1999" 4:04 Rhythm Of Youth 3:50 Ban The Game (demo version) 5:00 Treblinka [planned for folk iii but not ready in time:] 4:11 Editions Of You (feb '84 mix) [not-particularly-scarce remixes:] 6:11 Where Do The Boys Go (extended version) 5:48 I Got The Message (special extended remix) 5:36 Freeways (euromix) [put together after folk iii:] 3:49 Editions Of You (heavy guitars mix, mar '85) [recorded live in a winnebago after a january 1983 concert; features Allan McCarthy, Paul LePage, Stefan Doroschuk. studio version ("Ou Sont Les Men") recorded for folk iii but never included:] 19:27 The Winnebago Song I have wanted to hear some of these demos for the longest time, but have had no idea where I could get them. If someone has one of these CDs and would be willing to loan it for a day, I would be willing to make CDR copies for anyone who wanted one. Anyone?? --David dking@xmission.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Claude Grégoire Subject: Re: (hats) MWH Bootleg in discography... Date: 03 Oct 1997 14:22:36 +0000 David P. King wrote: > > Does anyone on the list actually have this CD that's listed in the > discography? > > Men Without Hats: Ultra Rare Tracks > [1995] CD-R bootleg; may only be one copy > > CD: 1995 US (...) > [demo tracks, ivan only:] > 3:45 Gravity Is My Enemy > 2:56 Living In China (demo version) > 3:33 "1999" > 4:04 Rhythm Of Youth > 3:50 Ban The Game (demo version) > 5:00 Treblinka > [planned for folk iii but not ready in time:] > 4:11 Editions Of You (feb '84 mix) > [not-particularly-scarce remixes:] > 6:11 Where Do The Boys Go (extended version) > 5:48 I Got The Message (special extended remix) > 5:36 Freeways (euromix) > [put together after folk iii:] > 3:49 Editions Of You (heavy guitars mix, mar '85) > [recorded live in a winnebago after a january 1983 concert; > features Allan McCarthy, Paul LePage, Stefan Doroschuk. > studio version ("Ou Sont Les Men") recorded for folk iii > but never included:] > 19:27 The Winnebago Song > > I have wanted to hear some of these demos for the longest time, but have > had no idea where I could get them. If someone has one of these CDs and > would be willing to loan it for a day, I would be willing to make CDR > copies for anyone who wanted one. > > Anyone?? I think everybody on the list would be more than interested to hear those songs! (and have a copy on CD). I think Tom Norman spoke with Colin Doroschuk about a possible release of those tracks. Comments Tom? Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Claude Grégoire Subject: Re: (hats) Crazy Date: 03 Oct 1997 14:23:33 +0000 Richard Holdman wrote: > > Your all crazy > > Even you, your crazy. > Even me? a paranoid Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Claude Grégoire Subject: (hats) You got the message Date: 03 Oct 1997 19:10:20 +0000 Hi all! News from the FAQ site. The "special feature" of the Links section is now on line! Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas Norman" Subject: (hats) MWH Bootleg in discography... Date: 03 Oct 1997 21:37:03 -0400 >> I have wanted to hear some of these demos for the longest time, but have >> had no idea where I could get them. If someone has one of these CDs and >> would be willing to loan it for a day, I would be willing to make CDR >> copies for anyone who wanted one. >> >> Anyone?? > >I think everybody on the list would be more than interested to hear >those songs! (and have a copy on CD). I think Tom Norman spoke with >Colin Doroschuk about a possible release of those tracks. Comments Tom? I haven't heard anything about this yet. What Colin told me is, He and Ivan WILL get this out to the fans somehow. If he doesn't get back to us about CD-R bootlegs, it is becasue they plan to release it "limited edition" on their own label. All I can verify is, I haven't heard anything yet. But I certainly want one as much as you do! Colin did say that the demo of Ban the Game, is exactly like the live "ban the game II" on the Spectrum show videotape. His two favorites from the demos were Rhythm of Youth and Treblinka. He was actually humming the beat to Rhythm of Youth. This sounds like the best song on the demo, very fast beat. Now I just wish I could actually hear the real thing. Are you reading this IVAN, please please release this for us. :-O Tom tnorman@mail.netwalk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) Re: Concert set list Date: 03 Oct 1997 22:45:43 -0400 (EDT) As I wrote, the private show will contain some new songs but most of the song will be from the old albums. Of course, I'm gonna suggest our list to Ivan. He could choose 10 songs on 15. So, everyone will be happy! Ciao Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) Sorry folks (of the 90's) Date: 03 Oct 1997 23:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Dont argu with us, LA VALSE D,EUGENIE is in french hahahaha Ciao Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) Re: Concert set list Date: 03 Oct 1997 22:44:43 -0400 (EDT) As I wrote, the private show will contain some new songs but most of the song will be from the old albums. Of course, I'm gonna suggest our list to Ivan. He could choose 10 songs on 15. So, everyone will be happy! Ciao Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BDay0000@aol.com Subject: (hats) The Legal Hotline Date: 03 Oct 1997 22:08:15 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-10-03 05:31:57 EDT, you write: << > Lets face it - we can't tell Ivan what songs he has to perform, We can't? We're the ones holding the checkbook. If Ivan doesn't perform the songs specified in the contract, then it could become a legal issue. >> Is this a real issue? Has Ivan refused to perform certain songs? Did I miss that post? If you are afraid that Ivan's choices will not be entertaining, then don't go. Vote with your money. That'll show _him_ !!!!!!!!!!! Brad PS How's the weather? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nikolai81@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) Senz's letter Date: 03 Oct 1997 22:45:33 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-10-02 13:20:14 EDT, senz@nucleus.com writes: << How do I know this? Because of the last 16 years I've spent listening to his music, talking to Ivan directly and doing research on him and his band. Simply put, I know Ivan's personality. Ivan wants us all to get along and understand and respect each other. >> Ivan's songs are doing a great job keeping and making fans intrested. I myself am only 16, and I found MWH's RoY while I was going through my parents old albums about a year ago. After I heard it a few times, I found the Hats have more them than just music. There's a message in nearly all the songs they've done, and that's more than I can say for a lot of stuff out there today. I'm hoping to see more Hats in US CD and album stores sometime, new or old. I really enjoy all the work put into the songs. Keep it up, Ivan! Nick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Senz Subject: (hats) Re: (old) Senz's letter Date: 04 Oct 1997 02:34:25 -0600 Nikolai81@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-10-02 13:20:14 EDT, senz@nucleus.com writes: > > << .....the last 16 years I've spent listening > to his music....... > >> > > Ivan's songs are doing a great job keeping and making fans intrested. > I > myself am only 16, and I found MWH's RoY while I was going through my > parents > old albums about a year ago. After I heard it a few times, I found the > Hats > have more them than just music. There's a message in nearly all the > songs > they've done, and that's more than I can say for a lot of stuff out > there > today. > > Nick It's always great to hear about a new fan of MWH or Ivan. His songs are truly timeless! Personally, I've found that all MWH/Ivan songs communicate strong and well thought out ideas. Whether they be messages or comments, Ivan gets us thinking!! (Now, if I could just get that barbie song out of my head!!) :-) Senz (mild today with late breaking showers and a high of 15 C) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Senz Subject: (hats) Come on Barbie, Let's go Party! Date: 04 Oct 1997 02:50:25 -0600 All kidding aside .... Is it just me or does there seem to be some decent synthesized pop happening these days? More examples... (other than Aqua's Barbie Girl) Daft Punk - Around The World Savage Garden - I Want You The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony Senz (not sure what to make of it) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BDay0000@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) Come on Barbie, Let's go Party! Date: 04 Oct 1997 12:01:19 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-10-04 07:09:08 EDT, you write: << All kidding aside .... Is it just me or does there seem to be some decent synthesized pop happening these days? More examples... (other than Aqua's Barbie Girl) Daft Punk - Around The World Savage Garden - I Want You The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony Senz (not sure what to make of it) >> Alphaville (Salvation)!!!!!! Numan(Exile)!!!!!! Good call, Senz!!!!!!!!! Brad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LORD HASENPFEFFER Subject: (hats) 90s Synth Pop Date: 04 Oct 1997 13:03:19 -0400 (EDT) I've noticed a few great synth tunes have surfaced in recent years that would have been great to hear in the 80s. In fact, when I hear them, they can actually spark a feeling of 80s nostalgia in me even though the song , I mean, songs are pure 90s tunes. Ace Of Base makes me think of the late 80s when M/A/R/R/S, "Pump Up The Volume" and Salt & Pepa's "Push It" were in the charts, along with The Cure's "Just Like Heaven" and Men Without Hats, "Pop Goes The World". Another great new artist that makes me recall the 80s is Donna Lewis. Hell, I can remember hearing "Macarena" several months before it became the stupid overhyped dance phenomenon that we all know it now to have been, and I loved it! It was so kewl to hear great electronic pop on the radio again! Then when Savage Garden released their single last April or May, I immediately had to have it! I just wish the rest of their album was as good. I would suppose that the only thing wrong with the artists who're making this kind of music in the 90s is their lack of "good fashion." Everybody's still wearing shitty clothes and hairstyles. Probably because of the poor state of music television these days. Today's artists really need a clue about how to present themselves visually, Myke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniele Rossi Subject: (hats) 90s Synth Pop isn't original Date: 04 Oct 1997 14:51:00 -0400 >I would suppose that the only thing wrong with the artists who're making >this kind of music in the 90s is their lack of "good fashion." Everybody's >still wearing shitty clothes and hairstyles. Probably because of the poor >state of music television these days. Today's artists really need a clue >about how to present themselves visually, Add to that a sense of originality (and self-respect for their art, too I suppose). I am so sick of hearing the EXACT same sample in a million songs. For instance, George Michael's new song, I think "Fast Love" and all those Ace of Base rip-offs.....and they call it their "new" song or "new album". I personally like "Barbie Girl" (I ingore the lyrics) because it sounds a little original (musically). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The August issue of my SpAsTiCkS! Online Comic Book is up at http://www.interlog.com/~daniele This month's title: "Doc McGurgle's Babylonian Lizard Tooth Oil" Be sure to hit the reload button if you see the previous issue! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Senz Subject: Re: (hats) 90s Synth Pop isn't original Date: 04 Oct 1997 13:54:53 -0600 Daniele Rossi wrote: > Add to that a sense of originality (and self-respect for their art, > too I > suppose). I am so sick of hearing the EXACT same sample in a million > songs. > For instance, George Michael's new song, I think "Fast Love" and all > those > Ace of Base rip-offs.....and they call it their "new" song or "new > album". > I personally like "Barbie Girl" (I ingore the lyrics) because it > sounds a > little original (musically). I see your point, although I liked Ace of Base's "It's A beautiful Life". Whether it was an original idea or not, I'm not sure. (It's pretty difficult to come up with a totally original idea at the best of times.) My point about "Barbie Girl" is that it's not a 'cool' song. No one wants to admit they like it (maybe because it's childish or rather feminine) but somehow it's topping the charts. I even caught my (decidedly macho) friend humming it! It's been awhile since such a song made the charts. Pop Goes The Wold perhaps? I'm just hoping that the synth friendly climate continues and allows for some synth friendly bands like .... (do I dare say it?!) Senz (We can hope if we want to!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) 90s Synth Pop Date: 04 Oct 1997 18:00:52 -0400 (EDT) IT's funny to see people who like MWH like also the same other songs. You mentionned Savage garden, very good Donna Lewis, very attractive songs Ace of base, very good and more and more Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kaw143@webtv.net (Keith Walker) Subject: (hats) Aqua's the Barbie Song!!?!?? Date: 04 Oct 1997 20:13:19 -0500 Does this really constitute GOOD synth-pop? Heaven help us all! :) Actually, a station called the edge started playing Aqua about two months ago, billing the song as "The Edge Barbie Song." Since the station believes itself to play an "alternative" mix, the song became an instant joke with the listeners and D.J.s alike. A few weeks after its introduction, one D.J. declared that she would "speed up the process" of it becoming overplayed and proceeded to cue it up for thirty minutes! Of course, she was nearly fired for this (after all, the powers that be had deigned to call it THE EDGE Barbie song, so that meant it was cool, even if no one thought so), but another D.J., in sympathy, did the same thing the next day and saved his colleague from the axe! (They couldn't, after all, get rid of the entire staff!) Don't ask me what this has to do with Ivan, but it did make for an interesting couple of days in Dallas! Tien Sincerement, Gaspillant Loin (Thanks, Claude!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas Norman" Subject: (hats) Aqua's the Barbie Song!!?!?? Date: 04 Oct 1997 23:28:10 -0400 Does this really constitute GOOD synth-pop? Heaven help us all! :) Actually, a station called the edge started playing Aqua about two months ago, billing the song as "The Edge Barbie Song." Since the station believes itself to play an "alternative" mix, the song became an instant joke with the listeners and D.J.s alike. A few weeks after its introduction, one D.J. declared that she would "speed up the process" of it becoming overplayed and proceeded to cue it up for thirty minutes! Of course, she was nearly fired for this (after all, the powers that be had deigned to call it THE EDGE Barbie song, so that meant it was cool, even if no one thought so), but another D.J., in sympathy, did the same thing the next day and saved his colleague from the axe! (They couldn't, after all, get rid of the entire staff!) Don't ask me what this has to do with Ivan, but it did make for an interesting couple of days in Dallas! German artist BLUMCHEN is much much better than that group. She is like the new NENA. She is nearly #1 in Germany right now, all synth. Tom tnorman@mail.netwalk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Claude Grégoire Subject: (hats) what else? Date: 05 Oct 1997 14:23:59 +0000 Hi everybody! First of all, I received very interesting info about MWH pre-history this week-end. I'll publish it very soon in the FAQ site. Secondly, I want to remind you that Rational Youth (synthpop Montreal band from the 80's) have reformed. There first album Cold War Night Life has been reissued in CD format by EMI Canada (and soon by October Records in Sweeden). THIS IS THE REAL THING. You can found more about them in the family section of the FAQ site (Tracy Howe, co-founder of Rational Youth, played guitar on Freeways) or at there very nice web page at http://www.rationalyouth.com (their links section alone should be bookmarked by every serious synthpop fans). If you have difficulties getting your hands on that "must have" record, join Rational Youth through their home page, they will be happy to help. Our lucky friends in Europe will be happy to know that Rational Youth will be performing live at the Stockholm Synth Festival on november 1st. More details at http://www.strokemusic.se/festival.htm More good news, They are working on new material in the classic analogue technopop style, which will soon be released through Sweden's October Records. Now, about the FAQ site; We finally have our South-American "representative" from Sao Paulo, Brazil. Welcome aboard Marco! Everybody on the mailing list is invited to vote for the best MWH links on the web. The actual Top 10 can be consulted at http://www.total.net/~gigarpus/bestlinks_mwh.html or by clicking on the MWH logo in the Links section of the FAQ site. Finally, you may have noticed that there is an invitation on the main page of the FAQ site to vote for the site as a starting point. By doing so, you contribute to the remote possibility of the site winning several thousands exposures of the MWH FAQ site's banner throughout the net. That would be nice to lure one-time MWH fans back in our growing "family"! Take care Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kajjia Goria Subject: (hats) Ivan biography Date: 06 Oct 1997 05:43:56 -0700 Hey all. I had a great thought! Why don't we all get to gether and write an Ivan/MWH biography? Think about it, we have all the information we need to write a novella as it is, if we all research a little bit harder we can get some pretty neat stuff out there. It could do a great job of informing others of Ivan & MWH. So, what do you say? Production costs would be limited since ther are quite a few of us on this list. Also, most of us have full time jobs, but with this many people, the workload could be distributed so not everbody does a lot of work. There are also a few of who are prolly really good writers. Well folks, gimme your input! Aaron Gitlin http://kajjia.home.ml.org } Personal Home Page http://menwohats.home.ml.org } MWH Page Security, everyone feels better with... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MENDESJR@if.ufrgs.br Subject: (hats) about Demos Date: 06 Oct 1997 10:33:34 -0003 Claudio Jr. (BRASIL) Hey hatters! I live in a country that doesn't have any MWH stuffs and so this is hard to obtain here. I kew about Demos and I would like that some hatter call me when it arrives there. A great hug to everything. Claudio Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Ullrich Subject: (hats) Concert-playlist Date: 06 Oct 1997 16:29:07 +0200 Hi Hatters! I guess I won't be able to afford a trip from Germany to Canada for IVAN's concert. That's why I haven't voted for any songs: That's the job of those who will actually attend the concert. But I am very interested in getting a copy of the video and CD of this concert: > Colin did say that the demo of Ban the Game, is exactly like the live "ban the game > II" on the Spectrum show videotape. His two favorites from the demos were Rhythm > of Youth and Treblinka. He was actually humming the beat to Rhythm of Youth. This > sounds like the best song on the demo, very fast beat. > Now I just wish I could actually hear the real thing. > Are you reading this IVAN, please please release this for us. :-O ... And I think these songs should be on the CD! Shouldn't you at least ask IVAN to play 'RHYTHM OF YOUTH'? Srange that the title track of my favourite Hats album was never released on this album! Don't you want to hear it, folks? Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nikolai81@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan biography Date: 06 Oct 1997 14:49:47 -0400 (EDT) That sounds like a great idea! Do you think we could even get one for the whole MWH group? Nick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Claude Berthiaume Subject: (hats) Synthetiser Date: 06 Oct 1997 22:09:11 -0400 Since everybody talks about synth., I wonder what you think of "Larry = Gowan", I think he did good stuuf and if you know this artist, I'd like = to hear from you. BTW, he is the artist who made "Strange animal", = "Criminal Mind" and "Moonlight Desires"(I'm hooked on the first and last = one!!!) Simon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (hats) ADMINISTRIVIA: Admin Goes West (read) Date: 07 Oct 1997 17:42:49 -0600 (MDT) Just FYI: I will be (mostly) offline Friday 10/10 through Monday 10/13. This should only affect you if you are trying to do one of the following things: * Post a message to the list from an address other than you one you joined from * Leave the list from an address other than you one you joined from * Post a message to the list with excessive quoting of another message in it * Post a message to the list that looks like an administrative request * Post a message to the list with MIME or binary content In other words, if you post something over the weekend and it doesn't show up, it may have been caught by one of the junk filters on the list and would therefore be dealt with when I return on Tuesday. Please don't panic. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ElKrupla@aol.com Subject: (hats) October 9th... Date: 08 Oct 1997 19:54:30 -0400 (EDT) ...is someone's birthday, remember? Ivan is on video commenting on his birthday being on the same day as John Lennon's. That's tomorrow. Everybody get those vocal chords warmed up! Dave K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brad Hull Subject: (hats) October 9th Date: 08 Oct 1997 22:26:52 -0400 You mean I've got the same birthday as IVAN! I never cared too much that I was born on the same day as John Lennon....but IVAN!!!! This is GREAT!!!! Happy birthday IVAN!!!! Brad Hull bhull@uoguelph.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Norman" Subject: (hats) hello Date: 09 Oct 1997 21:40:03 -0400 Has everyone voted on concert tracklist? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MENDESJR@if.ufrgs.br Subject: (hats) about the demos Date: 10 Oct 1997 09:13:41 -0003 Claudio Jr. (BRASIL - Rio grande do Sul state - Porto Alegre city) Hey everybody! Who's the hatter which can tell me about the Demos? I think that it must be the principal subject of the e-mail list....... My MWh top ten: 1- Here comes the 90's 2- Hey men 3- On thuesday 4- Lose my way 5- In the name of angels 6- Security 7- Folk of the 80's 8- O sole mio 9- The real world 10- In the 21st century I think that "Pop goes the World" and "Adventures...without hate" are the best MWH albuns because this is more elaborated and melodic than the other albuns. Waiting your e-mail....... Claudio Jr.:0 :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Josefsson Per-Johan Subject: (hats) CD trilogy notes Date: 10 Oct 1997 18:17:06 +0200 Hej! I was checking out the mp3 archives where I also found a picture of the actual discs of the 3 CD "bootleg" set. It's hard to read what is written on the discs. Could anyone of you proud and lucky owners of these tell what is written? L8R, PJ. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Claude Grégoire Subject: (hats) dream site Date: 10 Oct 1997 13:20:02 +0000 Hi all! When you'll have time, your are invited to vote for your favorite(s) MWH web ressource(s) ( http://www.total.net/~gigarpus/bestlinks_mwh.html ). The vote has been initiated a week ago, and only one Hatter casted his vote (thanks Aaron) so far. This is suppose to be a service for MWH fans. Beleive me, it will take you less time to cast your vote then it will take me to compile it... Take care... Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: (hats) Second stickers shipment Date: 10 Oct 1997 22:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Hey people! My second shipment of stickers is on the mail!!!! Everyone (excep Woody and Frank Spinath, I received today) should receive their stickers next week. Ciao Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Claude Grégoire Subject: (hats) Hot from the press!!! Date: 10 Oct 1997 23:58:12 +0000 To all! The well known lyrics: "What happened to Tony?" has been change to "What happened to Todd?". The reason for this remains a mystery... Claude the news reporter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marcos Tarquiano Vicente Subject: Re: (hats) Brazilian MWH Date: 10 Oct 1997 19:24:44 -0300 William Black wrote: >=20 > Marcos, >=20 > I lived in Brazil from 1984-1986 as an LDS missionary. I rememb= er hearing a > few good Brazilian bands like RPM, Os Paralamas Do Successo, and 14 Bis= . I > wish I could buy more good Brazilian pop music but it seems like all th= ey sell > up here in the U.S. is Gilberto Gil and Ney Matogrosso or Carnival styl= e > music. Could you send me a list of currently popular Brazilian bands th= at > might be similar to great 80's bands? Thanks. Hi, glad to know a MWH fan who knows the troubles we've got here in Brazil. The dificulty to get albums and singles (singles, harder than the hardest...). And knows our bands. In the middle 80's we had these good rock / pop bands as RPM ( a kind of Brazilian Technopop in portuguese, that has reached some sucess) who has only 3 albums ( one is live). Another band is "Zero" which plays some with the vocalist of RPM, only one album (something between Technopop and Gothic). And others that hasn't got any sucess, but are the bests from Brazilian scene: as "Tek Noir" - The best Brazilian Technopop Band - 2 albums , Alternative and Destination, they sing in English. Another one is "Harry" (Something between technopop and EBM), 3 albums and a colection (Harry, Fairy Tales, Vessels Town and Chemical Archives, all these lyrics are available at my Home Page) and the best techno-industrial Brazilian band is "Loop B" - actually is not a band or if you rather a band of only one. A performer that uses as instruments a wash machine, cars equipaments, metalics, a car door, stove, and many other stuffs... If you want lyrics for anyone of these last 3 bands you may download from my Autobahn Project 80's lyrics page. Autobahn Project 80's Lyrics Page - A page dedicated to all 80's bands - Lyrics to all the best 80's bands. Technopop, Industrial, EBM, Goth, Electro and New Romantic And also midi files and album covers... at Autobahn Project - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9538 A Flock of Seagulls, A Split Second, ABC, Adam and the Ants, A-ha, Allan Parson's Project, Alphaville, Anne Clark, Anything Box, Art of Noise, Bauhaus, B 52's, Bel Canto, Billy Idol, Blondie, Bronski Beat, Bryan Ferry, Cabaret Voltaire, Camouflage, Cars, Cassandra Complex, China Crisis, Classix Nouveaux, Culture Club, Cure, David Bowie, Dead Can Dance, Dead Kennedys, Dead or Alive, Depeche Mode, Martin Lee Gore, De/Vision, Devo, Duran Duran, Echo & the Bunnymen, Erasure, Eurythmics, Fad Gadget, Falco, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Front 242, Gary Numan, Sharpe and Numan, Harry, Human League, Heaven 17, Philip Oakey and Giorgio Moroder, Information Society, Kajagoogoo, Kim Wilde, Krafwerk, Elektrik Musik, Les Rita Mitsouko, Men Without Hats, Mr. Mister, Naked Eyes, New Musik, New Order, Electronic, Revenge, The Other Two, Nitzer Ebb, Orchestral Manouevres in the Dark - O.M.D., Paul Hardcastle, Peter Schilling, Pet Shop Boys, PhD, Propaganda, Real Life, Red Flag, Revolting Cocks, Sandra, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Soft Cell, Marc Almond, Steve Miller Band, Taco, Tek Noir, The Romantics, The Smiths, The Twins, Thomas Dolby, Thompson Twins, Ultravox, Midge Ure, Visage, Xymox, X-Mal Deutschland, When inRome, Yazzo, Yello, and much more at: Autobahn Project 80's Lyrics Page http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9538 The First Brazilian 80's Web Page Come to Know - AUTOBAHN PROJECT LYRICS PAGE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9538 Come to know Autobahn Project http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9538 P.S. it's a bilingual page, all sentences are in English and Portuguese =20 E em portugu=EAs, Projeto Autobahn Home Page - Letras dos anos 80 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9538 LETRAS! LETRAS! LETRAS! Letras de quase todas as m=FAsicas das melhores bandas dos anos 80. Mais de 2000 letras de m=FAsica, al=E9m de arquivos m= idi e capas de =E1lbuns... http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9538 Venha conhecer a primeira p=E1gina brasileira dos anos 80 Technopop, EBM, G=F3tico, New Romantic, Industrial, New Wave e muito mais= : http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9538 A Flock of Seagulls, A Split Second, ABC, Adam and the Ants, A-ha, Allan Parson's Project, Alphaville, Anne Clark, Anything Box, Art of Noise, Bauhaus, B 52's, Bel Canto, Billy Idol, Blondie, Bronski Beat, Bryan Ferry, Cabaret Voltaire, Camouflage, Cars, Cassandra Complex, China Crisis, Classix Nouveaux, Culture Club, Cure, David Bowie, Dead Can Dance, Dead Kennedys, Dead or Alive, Depeche Mode, Martin Lee Gore, De/Vision, Devo, Duran Duran, Echo & the Bunnymen, Erasure, Eurythmics, Fad Gadget, Falco, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Front 242, Gary Numan, Sharpe and Numan, Harry, Human League, Heaven 17, Philip Oakey and Giorgio Moroder, Information Society, Kajagoogoo, Kim Wilde, Krafwerk, Elektrik Musik, Les Rita Mitsouko, Men Without Hats, Mr. Mister, Naked Eyes, New Musik, New Order, Electronic, Revenge, The Other Two, Nitzer Ebb, Orchestral Manouevres in the Dark - O.M.D., Paul Hardcastle, Peter Schilling, Pet Shop Boys, PhD, Propaganda, Real Life, Red Flag, Revolting Cocks, Sandra, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Soft Cell, Marc Almond, Steve Miller Band, Taco, Tek Noir, The Romantics, The Smiths, The Twins, Thomas Dolby, Thompson Twins, Ultravox, Midge Ure, Visage, Xymox, X-Mal Deutschland, When inRome, Yazzo, Yello, et=E7... =20 =20 > Bill Black (bill_black@msn.com) >=20 > Um abraco meu amigo. E otimo ouvir dum Brasileiro. Desculpe, mas meu > computador nao escriva a lingua portuguesa corretamente. Tchau. Obrigado por escrever em portugu=EAs, como pode perceber meu ingl=EAs =E9 horr=EDvel. Obrigado de novo pelo e-mail. Um abra=E7o Marcos Vicente # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CDcollectr@aol.com Subject: (hats) UNSATISFACTION!!!!!!!!!!! Date: 11 Oct 1997 09:51:00 -0400 (EDT) I think we should dedicate "Unsatisfaction" to Todd!! It's been almost 4 months and NOTHING!!!! The last scoop I heard was that a manufacturer was making them for him because he didn't have the time. YEAH RIGHT!! 13 years of doing mail order, and I've only got scammed once. Woops, I mean TWICE now!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brad Hull Subject: Re: (hats) UNSATISFACTION!!!!!!!!!!! Date: 11 Oct 1997 12:26:26 -0400 At 09:51 AM 10/11/97 -0400, CDcollectr@aol.com wrote: > > > I think we should dedicate "Unsatisfaction" to Todd!! It's been almost 4 >months and NOTHING!!!! After months of remaining hopeful that Todd would come through, I too am at the point of giving up on that source for the 3CD set. David, are you still out there and willing to help any of us poor unfortunate souls? (I lost your e-mail address) BTW - thanks everyone for the birthday wishes! Brad Hull bhull@uoguelph.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: (hats) Re: Got 'em! Date: 12 Oct 1997 16:17:36 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 10/10/97 11:22:02PM, you write: << From: jonsta@microsoft.com (Jon Stanley) < Hi Francis, > < Hey Jon!!! No problem, I'm happy if you like them! Ciaoo!!! Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MENDESJR@if.ufrgs.br Subject: (hats) about "Excerpts from the Matter" Date: 14 Oct 1997 10:55:57 -0003 Claudio Jr. (BRASIL) Hey everybody! Anyone can tell me about the album of the Centrifugal Force "Excerpts from the Matter (VOL III)"? 1) What's the catalog number and the label of this tittle? 2) Is there a internet site where I can buy it? Waiting your e-mail...... :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" Subject: (hats) This is soooo embarrassing! Date: 14 Oct 1997 09:42:33 +0000 Hi Fellow Hatters! Sorry to be so lame of late, but been busy busy busy at work. I have a non-Hats (but at least 80s-Music related), and really really REALLY embarrassing request, but I figured, we're all friends, right? You'll forgive me, right? Right?? My aunt, who has Down's Syndrome, occasionally asks for the ODDEST things for birthday and Christmas presents. One year it was socks. Another year, it was scented markers. This year, she wants (O, I shudder) the video of Michael Jackson's "Beat It." Question 1: Does anyone have this, and would you a) admit it and b) be willing to either part with it or dub it onto another tape for me? Question 2: If no one has this (or will admit it), does anyone have any ideas for where I might find it? In case you haven't guessed, I am the world's *least* fan of the Glov=E8d One. ;-) Thanks in advance for your help, Folk of the 80s! PS to all in England - weird info request # 2: When is the Trooping of the Colour? Is it always the 2nd Saturday in June, or a random date, or how does that work? Mom and Dad are going back to England and don't want to miss it... PPS to Saul H - Still checking my mailbox daily - when did you send it? PPPS to Moose - THANK YOU!!! It's AWESOME!!!!!! You are my HERO!!! L8R, T8Rs!! :-) Laura # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Claude Grégoire Subject: Re: (hats) about "Excerpts from the Matter" Date: 14 Oct 1997 11:01:53 +0000 MENDESJR@if.ufrgs.br wrote: > > Claudio Jr. (BRASIL) > Hey everybody! > Anyone can tell me about the album of the Centrifugal Force "Excerpts > from the Matter (VOL III)"? > 1) What's the catalog number and the label of this tittle? > 2) Is there a internet site where I can buy it? I would be very happy if replies to this message were posted to the list (I think it's general interest and I could put the info on the MWH FAQ site). Thank you... Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Edward Frey Subject: (hats) stuff for sale (fwd) Date: 14 Oct 1997 11:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Just thought I'd pass this on--all quiet on the digest front... C.Frey ---------- Forwarded message ---------- I have a MWH "45 sleeve signed by Ivan in blue sharpie. If you are intersted, please email me asap with a bid. Thanks and have a good day! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.R. Bookwalter" Subject: Re: (hats) This is soooo embarrassing! Date: 14 Oct 1997 09:03:53 -0800 >My aunt, who has Down's Syndrome, occasionally asks for the ODDEST >things for birthday and Christmas presents. One year it was socks. >Another year, it was scented markers. This year, she wants (O, I >shudder) the video of Michael Jackson's "Beat It." > >Question 1: Does anyone have this, and would you a) admit it and b) >be willing to either part with it or dub it onto another tape for me? > >Question 2: If no one has this (or will admit it), does anyone have >any ideas for where I might find it? > >In case you haven't guessed, I am the world's *least* fan of the >Glov=E8d One. ;-) I hate to say it, but I rather like M.J. (Yeah, so sue me!) I think the "Beat It" video is on MICHAEL JACKSON'S THRILLER...you = should be able to find it in older video stores (I think it's out of = print now...I used to have it on Beta, of all things). It should also = be on the last video compilation that M.J. put together...HIStory = Part One or whatever it was...? Regards, J.R. BOOKWALTER Visit Tempe Entertainment on the Web: http://www.tempevideo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Mattingly Subject: (hats) Michael Jackson Videos Date: 14 Oct 1997 13:37:09 -0400 Speaking of MJ vids, did anyone see the Steve Martin parody video of Billy Jean? I cracked up about that for days! Dave Mattingly ObMWH: Happy belated birthday, Ivan. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: (hats) Internet address Date: 14 Oct 1997 16:21:21 -0400 (EDT) This message iis for William Perrin and Dale Plantz. I received your payment but I dont have your internet address. Could you E-mail me Thanks Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric W. Soderblom" Subject: (hats) GREAT mail day..... Date: 15 Oct 1997 17:27:16 -0700 Hatters- I went to my P.O. Box today and got my stickers from Francis along with the cool pic...THANKS FRANCIS!!!! Also I got 'Sideways' and 'The Spell' from A&B Online in Vancouver. I now have ALL of the Hats Cd's (except ROY & FOTE3) which I will get soon on the 2fer. Has anyone else noticed that the lettering on the spines of 'Sideways' and 'The Spell' run the wrong way. I have over 500 CD's and these are the only 2 like that. Weird how I got both of them the same day huh??? I understand why 'Sideways' would be like that (ie. sideways), but why 'The Spell'? OK L8R guys. -Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nikolai81@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) GREAT mail day..... Date: 16 Oct 1997 16:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Hey all :) I'm looking for any MWH albums I can find. I have RoY on vinyl and a concert I got on tape from a good friend (Thanx, Myke! ;) but I'm trying to get everything on CD. I'm looking for the CDs themselves, not copies, please. I've already started saving extra cash for Hats stuff :D so if you're selling, please e-mail me! Nick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) Stickers, Date: 16 Oct 1997 17:40:44 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 10/15/97 3:17:14PM, you write: << From: SCHACHTER@CMOD2.PFC.MIT.EDU (Jeff Schachter) > Reply-to: SCHACHTER@PSFC.MIT.EDU > To: JDivito334@aol.com > CC: SCHACHTER@CMOD2.PFC.MIT.EDU > Bonjour Francis! > > I got my stickers yesterday! They look great! I still don't know what I'm > going to do with so many, but I'll find something :) > > Thanks again! > > Jeff >> Hey Jeff. I'm glad that you like them. Ciao Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: (hats) Stickers, third shipment is coming soon Date: 16 Oct 1997 17:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Hey stickers list! ok, I'm gonna ship the third shipment soon. Some people from the first shipment did not receive their labels yet. If so, could you E-mail me, to be sure..... IT''s take a long time..... Ciao Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STERLING BARKER Date: 17 Oct 1997 13:50:13 +1000 (EST) Hi there! I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Sterling. I've been a MWH fan since 1983, but it's taken until now to find any other fans! You see, I live in Australia (you can stop laughing now), and unfortunately, the music industry here has been blatently rock-based for too many moons. Rock is what they know, so rock is what they play. Pretty sad really. It means that I never here MWH on the radio, and it's next to impossible to get anything into the country. God bless the internet! Anyhow, I thought I'd drop a line to say Hi and to let you all know that I'm here. I found an oasis in the cultural desert!! Here's a list of what I've been able to grab from Australia and whilst living in the U.K.: (everything is vinyl unless otherwise noted) 1979 LP Rhythm of Youth - U.S. promo-release. 1982 7" Safety Dance 1982 12" The Safety Dance 1982 7" I got the message - U.K. release 1982 LP Rhythm of Youth 1982 LP Rhythm of Youth - U.K. release picture disc 1983 7" I Like - released in Belgium (I think) 1983 7" Living in China 1983 12" Living in China - U.K. release 1983 cas Rhythm of Youth - U.S. release with different tracks 1984 7" Where do the Boys Go? 1984 12" Where do the Boys Go? 1984 LP Folk of the 80's (III) 1984 LP Folk of the 80's (III) - German release with different cover 1985 cas Freeways - Canadian release 1987 7" Pop goes the World - U.S. release 1987 12" Pop goes the World 1987 cd7" Pop goes the World - U.S. promo 1987 cd7" Moonbeam - U.S. release 1987 12" Moonbeam - U.S. release 1987 LP Pop goes the World - U.S. release 1989 LP 21st Century - U.S. release 1993 cd7" Safety Dance - German remix 1996 cd Collection - Oglio U.S. release Well that's it. As you can see, I'm missing things. I can't order Sideways or The Spell, as nobody here has any connections with Canadian exporting. Can anyone recommend a reliable shop on the internet? I'd really like a vinyl/cd copy of 'Freeways' (I've played it to death, because it really works!), or a 7" single of 'Antarctica' (I think). I believe there's a B-side called 'Inner Surface' on it? Also where can I get a poster(etc) of MWH to grace the walls of my studio? Well, it's been nice talking to you all. I'm feeling really inspired now, so I think I going to put the 'Collection' on and pump it up... Regards, Sterling # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alain Robillard-Bastien Subject: (hats) Au Revoir from Angie Date: 18 Oct 1997 14:04:07 -0400 Hello, all. Angie here. Don't let the e-mail address fool you...I am wi= th a friend in Montr=E9al (also a list member) who has been kind enough to a= llow me to use his computer to send this message to you all. First, I would like to say that this is my second trip to the birthpla= ce of Men Without Hats within 2 months. I have been here about a week, and the= more I see of this beautiful city, the more I love it. Je suis tr=E9s, tr=E9s = heureux etre ici! I would also like to say that Francis and I intended to meet with one = another earlier this week, but again, due to circumstances beyond our control, we= were unable to get together. I did, however, meet with Claude, and that was a= good time as always. We discussed the private show, and plans are continuing t= o move forward. In a simple sentence, things look good! Mainly, my purpose for this message is to tell you all that due to circumstances beyond MY control, I am moving away from the Massachusetts-= Rhode Island area this weekend. This means I will be unable to send or receive e-mail for a while. I must unsubscribe to the Hats list until I can find= a library or other outlet in my new home area that will allow me to utilize= a computer for e-mail purposes. Hopefully it won't take me long. (As most = of you know, I don't have my own computer. Due to my circumstances, that goa= l is unattainable for a while, at least.) Happily, I am moving to the Burlington, Vermont area to be near some friends of mine. This means I will only be one and a half hours from Montr=E9al!!! It won't cost me as much to visit here, and it won't cost a= s much in phone tolls to call here for information about the show. I used to li= ve in Northern Vermont 15 years ago...it's a very beautiful place, with its rol= ling green hills, tall snow-capped mountains, maple trees and clearwater lakes= ...I can't wait to go back! Just so you'll know, Francis and I are still dedicated to making the promised private concert a reality. We are doing the best we can and if I can't keep you all up to date on developments, Francis will. My departure from the list, you can be assured, is only temporary. I = hope you will all remain well until I speak to you again. Love to all, Angie :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Ullrich Subject: (hats) Todds boots Date: 20 Oct 1997 21:16:45 +0200 Hi Hatters! Has anybody got Todd's boots or the money back? I haven't heard anything from him since he told me to send his massage to the list. I have saved most of the e-mails concerning Todd incl. the P.O. adress of Maple Studios. Please e-mail me if you have any suggestions. Does anybody live near South Bend, IN 46660? Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jill Taylor Subject: (hats) (no subject) Date: 20 Oct 1997 17:51:30 -0400 Hello everybody, I am a new member to this list and look forward to many discussions about MWH. I live in Cincinnati, OH and have been a MWH fan from the beginning. I always thought I was alone, but am very excited that there are others who believe in the sound of the band. I am also glad to learn that the music nor the band are totally extinct. I hope to reply to many of you in the coming months. Thanks, Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: (hats) Ivan's show.... Date: 20 Oct 1997 23:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Maybe I am overreacting. Maybe I see black clouds everywhere. I dont want to start a fight, but when I saw Angie's message, I had to add this comment. I'm the one who's organizing this show with EVERYONE'S concent. Everything started from a very good idea that Angie had, (thank you by the way) but I'll be taking care of everything from here on. I hope this message will clear the situation once and for all. Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric W. Soderblom" Subject: (hats) Stirring the pot Date: 21 Oct 1997 02:25:20 -0700 Hatters- First of all, on "Greatest Hats CD", has anyone else noticed a 'little crackling noise' 9 seconds into Freeways? Is it my CD, or a CD problem???? Secondly, it has been almost a week since I got "Sideways" and "The Spell" and I have come to my conclusions. First the good news: "The Spell" rules! This is a great album. Tracks 3 and 7 stick out. Now for the bad news: to put it mildly, "Sideways" is not very good. Now, before you get all worked up, I may warm up to it, but it is unlikely. Well, I am outta here. -Eric P.S. Did I miss something with this whole Francis / Angie thing?????? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "AJ Langfield" Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan's show.... Date: 21 Oct 1997 08:36:41 -0700 Where is there confusion? What did Angie say that bothered you? What is the concern that you have to repeatedly announce that you are "in charge" of the concert? Fine, you are organizing the concert (much appreciated) with everyone's support and input - Angie is part of everyone isn't she? If she is willing to devote time to help plan the event, great - it helps us all. Francis - I think there are several misunderstandings stemming from the English to French translation some of us have to make. Let's just be friends here. I've really got to go back to the survey "discussion" because it still does not seem right where we left off - that we require Ivan to play a number of songs off the survey list. Let's give him the list though just no requests or demands to play 5 or 10 or 12 of the songs. I'm sure it's obvious to Ivan, that he'd disappoint and maybe lose some fans who travel all that way for the concert only to hear songs from _The Spell_, but that should be his choice. He recognizes that these are some of his biggest fans from around the world who have made a tremendous effort to come to the concert. There should be some mutual respect. I'm sure he respects us, his Hats fans, enough to play those great Hats songs and we should respect him enough to let him play what he wants to for us. Although _several_ people have expressed this same sentiment, I believe the "official" stance of the organizer is still as stated in these last two messages on the subject - 9/30 --------- I will not tell to Ivan we want the 15 songs, but most of them. It means that we are ready for surprise, but most of the songs has to be our choice. 10/2 --------- I guess my English is very bad because people make a scene with nothing. Ok, regarding the show, I will propose to Ivan to play the 15 most wanted songs. Those 15 songs are not specialy my choice, but I will recommend Ivan to play them because the majority of the people want them. So, I will not FORCE HIM to play thos songs, but to pick may be 10 songs on15 and play them. -----Original Message----- >Maybe I am overreacting. > >Maybe I see black clouds everywhere. > >I dont want to start a fight, but when I saw Angie's message, I had >to add this comment. > >I'm the one who's organizing this show with EVERYONE'S >concent. Everything started from a very good idea that Angie >had, (thank you by the way) but I'll be taking care of everything >from here on. > >I hope this message will clear the situation once and for all. > >Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brad Hull Subject: (hats) Superbadgirls Video Date: 21 Oct 1997 20:04:06 -0400 At 7:35pm EST tonight (Tuesday Oct 21) MuchMusic played the Superbadgirls video. Lots of lips, Ivan's dancers (getting pretty friendly), strobe effects, and the entire video was like watching a poorly tracking movie. The frames kept panning across the screen from right to left. I don't know if this description makes any sense or not, all I can say is it makes it really hard to watch and left me feeling like the room was spinning! (not unlike how I feel after dancing!) Still, with such a great tune it makes a great video. Later, taters! Brad Hull bhull@uoguelph.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brad Hull Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan's show.... Date: 21 Oct 1997 20:18:27 -0400 After reading so many posts about what I am now calling "The Concert of My Life", I have revised my initial reaction to the survey results. I love all of Ivan's work enough to be happy with whatever HE chooses to play. Sure, some of the "greatest" would be fantastic and I'm sure they will be played, but I'm no longer hung up on hearing my own favs. As such, I will not be participating in the second round of voting (nothing personal Dr. Laura, I just readjusted my philosophy!). I am just looking forward to the opportunity to see my favourite artist performing for a select group of his greatest fans. As so many others have said, this is the type of opportunity that very few fans ever get to even seriously CONSIDER, let alone actually DO! So, Francis and anyone else who is working so hard on our behalf, keep up the fantastic work! I can't wait to meet all of you in Montreal in '98! Just my latest opinion. Brad Hull bhull@uoguelph.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Davis Subject: (hats) looking to trade.. Date: 22 Oct 1997 06:53:50 -0700 Hi all, I'm looking for the following CD: "In the 21st Century" CDsingle 874809-2D ..and will trade one of the bootleg discs (your choice) for it. If anyone has access to this disc and is interested in swapping, please let me know. Best, Jim goreal@oz.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Davis Subject: Re: (hats) about "Excerpts from the Matter" Date: 22 Oct 1997 06:57:59 -0700 Hello, "Excerpts From Matter (Vol. III)" was pressed by Mainstream Records (ie. Colin & Ivan), contains 4 songs and has no catalog number. It used to be you could order this directly from Mainstream.. I don't know if they're still making them or not. Best, Jim goreal@oz.net http://www.oz.net/~goreal/menwithouthats/ MENDESJR@if.ufrgs.br wrote: > > Claudio Jr. (BRASIL) > Hey everybody! > Anyone can tell me about the album of the Centrifugal Force "Excerpts > from the Matter (VOL III)"? > 1) What's the catalog number and the label of this tittle? > 2) Is there a internet site where I can buy it? > > Waiting your e-mail...... > :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kris potts Subject: (hats) no dancing Date: 22 Oct 1997 15:25:02 -0500 i am needing to find a copy of "folk of the 80's III" cd. or any cd that has "no dancing" on it. potts # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alain Robillard-Bastien Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan's show.... Date: 22 Oct 1997 17:56:52 -0400 Brad Hull wrote: > So, Francis and anyone else who is working so hard on our behalf, keep > up > the fantastic work! I can't wait to meet all of you in Montreal in > '98! > = > = I love that...: Montreal Tour 1998! ;-) Al. -- Alain Robillard-Bastien, agent de recherche - Research agent Unit=E9 Interactions personne-syst=E8me informatis=E9 - Human-Computer Interaction Centre de recherche informatique de Montr=E9al - Computer Research Institute of Montreal Tel.: (514) 840-1234 - Fax: (514) 840-1244 arbastie@crim.ca - http://www.crim.ca/ipsi = # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Norman" Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan's show.... Date: 22 Oct 1997 20:19:18 -0400 > > Maybe I am overreacting. > No This is great!!!! read below. :-) > > Maybe I see black clouds everywhere. > > > > I dont want to start a fight, but when I saw Angie's message, I had to > add > > this comment. > > > > I'm the one who's organizing this show with EVERYONE'S concent. > Everything > > started from a very good idea that Angie had, (thank you by the way) but > I'll > > be taking care of everything from here on. > > > > > > I hope this message will clear the situation once and for all. SURE DOES!!!! I think that friendly competition is a good thing. Now that all of the fans on this list are trying to outdo one another, this means that we will all get more stuff, and get to see more shows. I say, Francis & Angie, keep on going!!!! And while you are at it, why dont we do this? The first one to get a copy of the outtakes and unreleased material to me wins once and for all!!!!! :-) Its not over between you two until someone talks to TOX or Ivan about this, then we will see who the #1 fan really is. Is it Francis, Claude, Angie, ???? We shall see...... How exciting..... you have got to love this everyone! Then I can make copies for all of us. hehe. After all, we ALL have the same goals, don't we. Montreal '98 or bust. Tom tnorman@mail.netwalk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Woody Zenfell Subject: (hats) Announcement: Upcoming CD with MwoH content :) Date: 23 Oct 1997 02:05:39 -0500 (CDT) Hi all, I'd like to announce that The Washington University (in St. Louis) Amateurs, the student-run co-ed a capella group I am now director of, are going to be releasing their first CD around the end of October/beginning of November. On the CD (which, to be truthful, IS of varying quality - some really good, some I'd skip :) ) you can hear us perform Ban the Game and Where Do the Boys Go? (and 14 lovely non-MwoH tunes). The track list is: 1 Ban the Game Men Without Hats 2 Where Do the Boys Go? Men Without Hats 3 V.F.D. Michelle Shocked 4 Games Without Frontiers Peter Gabriel 5 American Tune Paul Simon 6 Come Sail Away Styx 7 Exquisite Dead Guy They Might Be Giants 8 Total Eclipse of the Heart Bonnie Tyler 9 Land of Confusion Genesis 10 California Dreamin' The Mamas and the Papas 11 High Hopes Pink Floyd 12 Good Enough for Granddad The Squirrel Nut Zippers 13 Shooting Star Harry Chapin 14 Satellite Dave Matthews Band 15 Washing of the Water Peter Gabriel 16 King of Spain Moxy Fruvous Please visit http://www.rescomp.wustl.edu/~amateurs/BlueCD/ for (not much) more information, and to download Ban the Game in 8bit 22kHz mono AIFF format (1.3 MB, or 862k zipped). If you decide to visit the page, listen to the sample, order a copy, have a question, or just be friendly, we'd love to hear from you. Write to amateurs@rescomp.wustl.edu or hit the mail link on the page (same address). Thanks for your time :) Woody # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) Superbadgirls Video Date: 23 Oct 1997 20:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Hi! I guess Suepr bad girls is a better video than Open your eyes. I found the video very interesting, hard to follow but interesting! Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ar154@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Angela Tooley) Subject: (hats) It's me again... Date: 23 Oct 1997 10:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Hi, everyone, it's Angie...I had to spend an extra day in Rhode Island and I dropped by the library to see if they hade closed my e-mail account and... apparently, they did not. At any rate, although Francis is the "official organizer" of the '98 Montreal Tour, I hope he or SOMEBODY keeps in touch with me to let me know how it is going. I have given him my new phone number in Vermont. I am really excited to see how much progress we are making and will consider the whole thing a success once the contracts are signed!!! I have told you before and I will tell you again, I am devoted to seeing this whole thing come together and I will do everything I can to make it a reality. I think Ivan deserves to have a look at the huge worldwide fan base he has maintained, and I can't wait to meet all of you myself!!! Personally, I did not know there was any kind of "rivalry" between Francis and I until I read his list posting about the black clouds. Not a pretty way too describe what will hopefully be the concert of a lifetime in June 1998. H However, although this imaginary black cloud has appeared over the heads of Francis and I, I hope to continue to be able to count on him to get the job d done. So far his efforts have made me very proud and I am really thankful that he has been able to take it upon himself to do this for us all. Even though he is busy with work & family, I am glad to see he is devoting some spare time to making this dream a reality. I know he wants to see it come together as badly as you and I do. I will be back on line as soon as I can get a new account in Burlington. Mean- while, I will stay in touch with my friends in Montreal and track the pro- gress of this private show!!! Au revoir! Angie ;-) -- ### # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MENDESJR@if.ufrgs.br Subject: (hats) about the "The Spell" Date: 23 Oct 1997 11:13:44 -0003 Claudio Jr. (BRASIL) Hey everybody On Thuesday of this week I received by air mail the CD "the Spell" and I think that Ivan in this album decreases musically. Really, the songs "the spell" and "Open your eyes" are the best of this tittle because they present more melodical variations instead of other musics that are so trivial. The album "The Spell"(except these 2 songs) is very weak..........so I expect the revolutionary Ivan again in the MWH!!!!!! It was a something different work of Ivan but it doesn't mean that was a good work! Waiting your opinion about it... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric W. Soderblom" Subject: (hats) Stirring the Pot - UPDATE Date: 24 Oct 1997 00:28:45 -0700 Hatters- Well, I have warmed up to 'Sideways' a little. I thought that I would. Tracks 1,2, and KenBarbieLove are my favorites so far. Two questions that I would like answered: 1-Why is KenBarbieLove listed as track 7, but is 8 in reality? 2-Anyone else notice the 'scratch' on 'Freeways' on 'Greatest Hats'? (It's 9 sec. in on the CD). Thats about it. -Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Mattingly Subject: (hats) Re: Stirring the Pot - UPDATE Date: 24 Oct 1997 08:00:18 -0400 Eric asks: >1-Why is KenBarbieLove listed as track 7, but is 8 in reality? Good catch, Eric. It's been there all along, but I never noticed that on the CD itself, they forget to list Everybody Wants to Know... Dave Mattingly # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Josefsson Per-Johan Subject: (hats) Sthlm Synth Festival Date: 24 Oct 1997 15:29:56 +0200 Anyone going to Stockholm Synth Festival ? (Front 242, Rational Youth etc, http://www.strokemusic.se/festival.htm) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Norman" Subject: (hats) freeways scratch Date: 24 Oct 1997 09:50:18 -0400 > 2-Anyone else notice the 'scratch' on 'Freeways' on 'Greatest Hats'? Eric, The Freeways Bootleg CD actually sounds better for that track because of this. The bootleg Freeways (euromix) is from a sealed new LP, no scratches, sounds like CD. The Greatest Hats version is from an old Freeways LP, thus is sounds like it came from a record. Now my question is , "Who has the real studio master tapes, if the record label doesn't? No one?" Why are they copying records onto CDs??????? I want to see an official CD release of Freeways that sounds as good as the 2fer (good job Carl) or a Pop Goes the World CD. Wouldn't this be great???? Tom tnorman@mail.netwalk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniele Rossi Subject: (hats) We need a name, don't we? Date: 22 Oct 1997 19:53:28 -0400 Montreal Tour 1998. I like the idea. But it really isn't a tour. It's a performance. How about if we think up a name for this one? Or is that Ivan's decision? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The August issue of my SpAsTiCkS! Online Comic Book is up at http://www.interlog.com/~daniele This month's title: "Doc McGurgle's Babylonian Lizard Tooth Oil" Be sure to hit the reload button if you see the previous issue! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alain Robillard-Bastien Subject: Re: (hats) We need a name, don't we? Date: 24 Oct 1997 12:50:23 -0400 Performance: I love that word! How about something as simple as "Montreal Performance 1998" or "Performance: Montreal 1998" ? But MWH should be somewhere in the name... I think that having a name for that event is something important. It would be great to have some material made with the name we'll choose (T-shirts, etc.). Al. Daniele Rossi wrote: > Montreal Tour 1998. I like the idea. But it really isn't a tour. > It's a > performance. How about if we think up a name for this one? Or is > that > Ivan's decision? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nikolai81@aol.com Subject: (hats) (Hats)Trade, sell, helpmeout! Date: 24 Oct 1997 18:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Hi all. I've just now had time to read my mail and I don't know if any responses to my last question to trade/buy made it to me. I'm willing to trade anything on CD (the real mccoy or a copy) except for the Collection which I already have ;) BTW: Someone asked about who I got a concert tape from. I lost that letter >blush< and I'd like to contact you with an answer. Keep it Hats! Nikolai # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cpisarr1@ic3.ithaca.edu Subject: Re: (hats) We need a name, don't we? Date: 24 Oct 1997 18:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Here are my ideas for tour names. The second one is catchy. Simple...but hey, simple minds have something or other (I forget the quote) Back to Hats. Return of Hats. Hats '98 Collin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Claude Grégoire Subject: Re: (hats) We need a name, don't we? Date: 24 Oct 1997 18:40:24 +0000 What about: HATS OFF! It's both simple and full of hidden meanings ;o) Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Claude Grégoire Subject: Re: (hats) about the "The Spell" Date: 24 Oct 1997 19:14:30 +0000 Claudio Jr. wrote: > > I received "the Spell" and I think that Ivan in this album decreases > musically. Really, the songs "the spell" and "Open your eyes" are > the best of this tittle because they present more melodical > variations instead of other musics that are so trivial. The album > "The Spell"(except these 2 songs) is very weak.......... > It was a something different work of Ivan but it doesn't mean that > was a good work! > Waiting your opinion about it... Well Claudio, opinions are debatable. Here is mine. I think that Ivan's musical evolution, as showned in his recorded work, has always been for the better. I don't think the value of a pop song has to be measured solely on its commercial success or on its ability to fullfill fan's expectations. Ivan never stayed in a musical style long enough to have an hat put on him (or a tag). He got us used to expect the unexpected ("Sideways" being the ultimate example of this). "The Spell" falls well in Ivan's "continuity". It shows an artist still playing with the different possibilities of the pop genre, with more than interesting results! Musically, I think it's his most mature work (I'm only talking about what is available on the market). I don't enjoy MWH because they use synths; Just because they do plain good music, with lyrics I can relate to. I also enjoy the fact that they succeed in proposing me with lots of different things, while keeping what makes them the Hats... So Claudio, I'm not telling you that you have to like "The Spell". But before saying that it is weak, pay more attention to it. You'll see it is indeed very strong. Now you don't have to like it even if you admit it is strong, but I do... Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: (hats) MWH stickers. Date: 24 Oct 1997 19:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Hi everyone, Due to some people who did not take their responsabilities, I have over 800 stickers to sell. It's 8$, in U.s. fund for 100 stickers. plus 3$ for shipping. If you are interested, please E-mail me! Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kajjia Goria Subject: (hats) FREEWAYS!!!!!! Date: 24 Oct 1997 17:33:43 -0700 Well, folks, I finally got paid and now it's time to ask.. Does anyone hve the Freeways bootleg CD for sale? I would prefer one stright from the one who made them, but I would take used, Thanx much folks. I am also saving up for the trip to Montreal this summer. catch ya latez! P.S. I updted the picture on y web page (http://kajjia.home.ml.org), and I'd liike some input. -=) Aaron Gitlin http://kajjia.home.ml.org } Personal Home Page http://menwohats.home.ml.org } MWH Page Security, everyone feels better with... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: (hats) MWH stickers LIST OF PEOPLE Date: 25 Oct 1997 11:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Hi everyone. I guess you red my message regarding the stickers. Just to tell you, the stickers cost me 524$ and I received 310$. I have to pay from my pocket 200$. That's why I'm not very happy. Here is the list of the people who did not take their stickers ------- wjam@interlog.com cberth1@odyssee.net Richardh@alexanders.com bill@gol.com cosmos@mail.utexas.edu hwlester@pobox.com Bday0000 mike@globald.demon.co.uk -------- For the people who sent their money, here is the status of your shipment. I did 3 shipments. The third one was last thursday. The name with a " * " at the beginning, you were in the THIRD shipment. --------------------------- jupiter-8@juno DONE harding_jeff@prc.com DONE ElKrupla DONE SCHACHTER@psfc.mit.edu DONE vsilvaggio@nexus.microimm.mcgill.ca DONE fspin@hrz.uni-bielefeld.de DONE tnorman@mail.netwalk.com DONE soderblom@earthlink.net DONE * gregor@muck.almac.co.uk DONE Laura_Kramer@ncsu.edu DONE jonsta@microsoft.com DONE senz@nucleus.com DONE wzenfell@rescomp.wustl.edu DONE * MYKEC@delphi.com DONE * ar154@osfn.rhilinet.gov DONE * freyce@umich.edu DONE kaw143@webtv.net DONE pleh@netcom.com DONE * daz@phonewave.net DONE * akogan1@ds1.gl.umbc.edu DONE Rush3@classic.msn.com DONE AJP1313 DONE daniele@interlog.com DONE Thanks for reading! Ciao Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Kramer Subject: (hats) A T-story Date: 25 Oct 1997 18:36:17 -0700 Hi! A while back, someone was asking for stories about reactions to their MWH T's - I have one now... Short version: Somebody thought the shirt meant I was a lesbian. Long version: My friend Diane and I went to the North Carolina State Fair yesterday, and we were both wearing T-shirts (I was wearing the MWH one, obviously), with plaid flannel shirts over them (I had a buffalo plaid, Diane a tartan), jeans, and hiking boots. Dressed down for slumming at the fair, obviously. We were having lunch, seated next to each other at a long table, and a couple (man and woman) sat down across from us. Diane and I had stickers on our shirts that we got from the Ostrich farmers display, and so we and the couple talked about odd things that we had eaten (bear, venison, alligator, etc.). The man was looking at us a bit oddly (Diane told me later), and asked, "So are you *both* from Florida?" (something that I had mentioned re: eating alligator). I went on blithely while Diane nearly laughed so hard she had lemonade coming out of her nose. She explained to poor naive me later that the man thought that we were *together,* a conclusion which was probably helped along by my "No Men" shirt! Well, I thought it was funny! CUL8R!! ;-) Laura # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Garbowski Subject: (hats) t-shirts Date: 27 Oct 1997 16:08:38 -0500 (EST) Hi all, are there any t-shirts still available. If so how much, etc? You can e-mail directly instead of the entire list. Thanks Charlie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STERLING BARKER Subject: (hats) Hats Tour Date: 28 Oct 1997 09:20:58 +1000 (EST) Dear All, I came in late to the news, so could someone explain the Ivan concert to me? Do I have to have a secret handshake to attend, or do I have to be recognised as a 'true' fan to attend (I'd fly from Australia to see the show if that qualifies me!). Also, you've all been tossing up names for the show, so here's a few more ideas... 'Head for the Hats' 'The Hat Stand' 'Ivan unusually large Hat' (a terrible play-on-words there...sorry) 'Hats all Folks' (another bad joke) 'Man Without Hat' Actually, after having anouther look at those ideas, they're all pretty crap. Sorry. Sterling. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LORD HASENPFEFFER Subject: (hats) Hmmm... Date: 27 Oct 1997 19:14:19 -0500 (EST) Taking a clue from Sterling there, I submit... The One Night Hat Stand ;-) Myke - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric W. Soderblom" Subject: (hats) Sideways Date: 29 Oct 1997 03:44:31 -0800 Hatters- First of all, I would like to apologize for my earlier comments regarding 'Sideways'. The album is starting to grow on me. I never like albums when I first listen to them, and this one was no different, however I now like it and in a couple of more weeks it could become a favorite. Secondly, there was a lot of talk about the Aqua CD on this list a couple of weeks ago. In my opinion the CD kicks butt. It is REALLY GOOD! For those of you who don't have it I would rate it as a strong reccomend. Thirdly, I am in charge of the whole Montreal Show and all further correspondence regarding this show should be addressed to ME ONLY. JUST KIDDING!!!! Fourthly(?), I have lost interest in my 'Men Without Hats' site index and am probably going to 'pull it' soon. If anyone wants to use the animated GIFS or links, take them soon. The F.A.Q. site is MUCH better, and I don't really have the time or motivation to improve mine. Later Dudes (and Dudettes), -Eric - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LORD HASENPFEFFER Subject: (hats) Eric Soderblom! Date: 29 Oct 1997 23:06:41 -0500 (EST) Please email me. It's not urgent, but I have misplaced your email address and have something to tell you. Myke - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Men Without Hats discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?hats