From: hats-owner@xmission.com To: hats-digest@xmission.com Subject: hats Digest V2 #1 Reply-To: hats@xmission.com Errors-To: hats-owner@xmission.com Precedence: hats Digest Thursday, 15 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 001 In this issue: LIST ANNOUNCEMENT - YOU *MUST* READ THIS! kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing), yello@cs.uwp.edu (Yello) Hello?? Testing... Re: Hello?? Testing... Re: Hello?? Testing...and 21st Century Re: Hello?? Testing... MWH Experts Re: MWH Experts Re: MWH Experts Re: MWH Experts Re: MWH Experts Looking for any Men Without Hats MIDI files RE: MWH Experts RE: MWH Experts Re: Hello?? Testing... Everybody Wants to Know Re: MWH Experts Re: MWH Experts Re: MWH Experts Re: MWH Experts Re: MWH Experts Re: MWH Experts Dump Antarctica? 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Quote of the day, from my boss: "Stop stressing, Laura. You've got all the time in the world. This doesn't have to be done until next Friday..." I think I'll put on my Collection CD and take some maalox now. C Y'all L8R! ;-) L # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:31:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Hello?? Testing... > From Laura_Kramer@ncsu.edu Thu Aug 15 10:28:05 1996 > Subject: Hello?? Testing... > Priority: normal > 1, 2, 3... > > Just wanted to see who all else has made it back. > > Laura from North Carolina, USA checking in. Hi everybody!! > Don from California, transplanted from North Carolina, present and accounted for. > Quote of the day, from my boss: "Stop stressing, Laura. You've got > all the time in the world. This doesn't have to be done until next > Friday..." > You're better off than I am. Quote from my boss: "The only thing more pathetic than your programming skills, you loser, is your deformed face! Now get back to work, or I'll jab this letter opener in your good eye!" Hey, does anyone out there like Men Without Hats? Don2 dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Jupiter8@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:47:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Hello?? Testing...and 21st Century I'm here... Roderick from Portage, Michigan checking in....soon to check out....but hopefully back again... Just a note....I bought 21st Century this weekend and have listened to it all week...I remember when I first bought it on vinyl when it first came out and then on cassette when it first became a cutout....I remembered it to be a very boring album....I stand corrected...It's like finding a new MWH record! I love this album.... Roderick! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Jupiter8@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:48:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Hello?? Testing... In a message dated 96-08-15 13:30:47 EDT, you write: << Hey, does anyone out there like Men Without Hats? >> "Hey" Men! Roderick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:29:53 -0800 Subject: MWH Experts Really-From: Carl Just for fun ;) I am working on the _ideal_ track listing for the 2 for 1 CD. We have a 74 minute limit so one of the fillowing tracks has to go: Rhythm of Youth 0:58 Ban The Game 3:04 Living In China 4:41 The Great Ones Remember 4:44 I Got The Message 3:26 Cocoricci (Le Tango des Voleurs) 2:44 The Safety Dance 2:59 Ideas for Walls 4:56 Things In My Life 4:19 I Like 1:59 The Great Ones Remember (reprise) Folk of the Œ80s (Part III) 2:09 No Dancing 3:15 Unsatisfaction 4:55 Where Do The Boys Go? 6:48 Mothers Opinion 2:40 Eurotheme 4:20 Messiahs Die Young 4:55 I Know Their Name 4:17 Folk Of The 80's 3:15 I Sing Last / Not For Tears 4:28 Antarctica* The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust your opinions. carl caprioglio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:32:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: MWH Experts Really-From: "Hiram Lester Jr." On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, hats mailing list wrote: > The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least > 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust > your opinions. I think I would leave Antarctica off since it was on Collection, and it wasn't on the original Canadian release... just for fun... :) +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Hiram W. Lester, Jr. | E-Mail: hwlester@pobox.com | | Computer Science | Homepage: | | Middle Tennessee State University | http://pobox.com/~hwlester/ | +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:39:02 -0700 Subject: Re: MWH Experts Carl, Lose "Antarctica" off of "Folk Pt. III". It's on "Collection", and besides, it's never been one of my true favorites. Wait-a-minute... does this mean... dare I say it... the CD is (gasp) BACK ON?!?!?!?! Don2 dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com > From hats@cs.uwp.edu Thu Aug 15 17:31:05 1996 > To: hats@cs.uwp.edu > Subject: MWH Experts > > Really-From: Carl > > > Just for fun ;) I am working on the _ideal_ track listing for the 2 for > 1 CD. We have a 74 minute limit so one of the fillowing tracks has to > go: > > Rhythm of Youth > 0:58 Ban The Game > 3:04 Living In China > 4:41 The Great Ones Remember > 4:44 I Got The Message > 3:26 Cocoricci (Le Tango des Voleurs) > 2:44 The Safety Dance > 2:59 Ideas for Walls > 4:56 Things In My Life > 4:19 I Like > 1:59 The Great Ones Remember (reprise) > > Folk of the Œ80s (Part III) > 2:09 No Dancing > 3:15 Unsatisfaction > 4:55 Where Do The Boys Go? > 6:48 Mothers Opinion > 2:40 Eurotheme > 4:20 Messiahs Die Young > 4:55 I Know Their Name > 4:17 Folk Of The 80's > 3:15 I Sing Last / Not For Tears > 4:28 Antarctica* > > The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least > 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust > your opinions. > > carl caprioglio > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Tempe Video Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 20:36:52 +0100 Subject: Re: MWH Experts hats mailing list wrote: > The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least > 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust I vote for deleting anything that was already featured on COLLECTION. "Safety Dance" might be the obvious choice, but something tells me that's going to be a major selling point. How about "Antarctica"? You say "just for fun"...I thought the 2 for 1 was a dead issue...? - -- Regards, J.R. BOOKWALTER Tempe Video & Press Visit Tempe & E.I. Independent Cinema on the Web: http://members.aol.com/tempevideo/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Senz Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:58:19 -0700 Subject: Re: MWH Experts > > Really-From: Carl > > Just for fun ;) I am working on the _ideal_ track listing for the 2 for > 1 CD. We have a 74 minute limit so one of the fillowing tracks has to > go: > Well, to keep the original flow of things, I favour dropping Antarctica. This song belongs on a FOTE I / Freeways/ or alternate mix CD. (my two cents) Oh yeah, TESTING, TESTING, one and two and three is four... senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 20:54:11 -0400 Subject: Looking for any Men Without Hats MIDI files Really-From: Chris Barrett Does any one have any Men Without Hats MIDI files that they could share with me? Any help is appreciated. Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: "Russ Kemsley" Date: Fri, 16 Aug 96 01:19:44 UT Subject: RE: MWH Experts Carl, Don't tease us now :) - ---------- From: owner-hats@xmission.com on behalf of hats mailing list Sent: Thursday, August 15, 1996 6:29 PM To: hats@cs.uwp.edu Subject: MWH Experts Really-From: Carl Just for fun ;) I am working on the _ideal_ track listing for the 2 for 1 CD. We have a 74 minute limit so one of the fillowing tracks has to go: Rhythm of Youth 0:58 Ban The Game 3:04 Living In China 4:41 The Great Ones Remember 4:44 I Got The Message 3:26 Cocoricci (Le Tango des Voleurs) 2:44 The Safety Dance 2:59 Ideas for Walls 4:56 Things In My Life 4:19 I Like 1:59 The Great Ones Remember (reprise) Folk of the Œ80s (Part III) 2:09 No Dancing 3:15 Unsatisfaction 4:55 Where Do The Boys Go? 6:48 Mothers Opinion 2:40 Eurotheme 4:20 Messiahs Die Young 4:55 I Know Their Name 4:17 Folk Of The 80's 3:15 I Sing Last / Not For Tears 4:28 Antarctica* The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust your opinions. carl caprioglio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: "Russ Kemsley" Date: Fri, 16 Aug 96 01:21:46 UT Subject: RE: MWH Experts I, too, vote for Antartica - ---------- From: owner-hats@xmission.com on behalf of hats mailing list Sent: Thursday, August 15, 1996 6:29 PM To: hats@cs.uwp.edu Subject: MWH Experts Really-From: Carl Just for fun ;) I am working on the _ideal_ track listing for the 2 for 1 CD. We have a 74 minute limit so one of the fillowing tracks has to go: Rhythm of Youth 0:58 Ban The Game 3:04 Living In China 4:41 The Great Ones Remember 4:44 I Got The Message 3:26 Cocoricci (Le Tango des Voleurs) 2:44 The Safety Dance 2:59 Ideas for Walls 4:56 Things In My Life 4:19 I Like 1:59 The Great Ones Remember (reprise) Folk of the Œ80s (Part III) 2:09 No Dancing 3:15 Unsatisfaction 4:55 Where Do The Boys Go? 6:48 Mothers Opinion 2:40 Eurotheme 4:20 Messiahs Die Young 4:55 I Know Their Name 4:17 Folk Of The 80's 3:15 I Sing Last / Not For Tears 4:28 Antarctica* The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust your opinions. carl caprioglio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: BDay0000@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 21:36:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Hello?? Testing... Brad from Atlanta, checking in... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: BDay0000@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 21:42:56 -0400 Subject: Everybody Wants to Know Hey... To everyone that didn't care for for Sideways...take another listen to Everybody Wants to Know...To me it sounds like Ivan would have done it that way even if he wasn't sans-synths. I think it is a very good song... Brad Day Atlanta, GA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: BDay0000@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 21:48:04 -0400 Subject: Re: MWH Experts Carl, Drop Antartica and give us a three minute rarity or suprise...(new track!!!!!!). I'm sure we've all got Antartica somewhere else... Brad Day Atlanta, GA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:00:09 -0400 Subject: Re: MWH Experts Really-From: Heath David > Really-From: Carl > > The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least > 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust > your opinions. > > carl caprioglio > My recommendation would be to replace two tracks with their edited single versions: > 4:44 I Got The Message 3:30 I Got The Message [single edit] > 4:19 I Like 3:22 I Like [single edit] This would result in a total savings of 2:08, which should give you enough room to play with. My reasons should already be clear, but I'll give them anyway: (1) Using these substitutions would save us from having to remove a track. (2) The album-length versions of these tracks are already available (and in print!) on the _Collection_ CD, whereas the single versions have never appeared on CD. (3) An edited version of a track would be less objectionable to the 'casual' MWH fan than the omission of an entire song. The inclusion of rarer versions of these songs (and the bonus version of Antarctica) would, on the other hand, make the CD more appealing to collectors. I would *much* rather see the 7" edits used on a two-fer CD than see a track omitted entirely. If this is impossible for some reason (unusable masters, for example), then I would very reluctantly suggest omitting "I Got The Message", since there are already two versions of that song available on _Collection_. Heath # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Jupiter8@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:10:53 -0400 Subject: Re: MWH Experts Keep the two albums as they were originally (Canadian versions)...and if there is leftover...Antarctica is certainly a bonus...I really don't care what is added as long as the albums remain faithful to the original releases... Roderick MacQuarrie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:10:53 -0400 Subject: Re: MWH Experts Really-From: Jupiter8@aol.com Keep the two albums as they were originally (Canadian versions)...and if there is leftover...Antarctica is certainly a bonus...I really don't care what is added as long as the albums remain faithful to the original releases... Roderick MacQuarrie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: MWH Experts Really-From: Todd Biggs I'd leave Unsatisfaction off, and gain 3:15. Todd Biggs WRQ Software Singapore e-mail: toddb@wrq.com phone: 65 336 3122 fax: 65 336 5233 On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, hats mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Carl >=20 >=20 > Just for fun ;) I am working on the _ideal_ track listing for the 2 for= =20 > 1 CD. We have a 74 minute limit so one of the fillowing tracks has to=20 > go: >=20 > Rhythm of Youth > =090:58=09Ban The Game > =093:04=09Living In China > =094:41=09The Great Ones Remember > =094:44=09I Got The Message > =093:26=09Cocoricci (Le Tango des Voleurs) > =092:44=09The Safety Dance > =092:59=09Ideas for Walls > =094:56=09Things In My Life > =094:19=09I Like > =091:59=09The Great Ones Remember (reprise) >=20 > Folk of the =8C80s (Part III) > =092:09=09No Dancing > =093:15=09Unsatisfaction > =094:55=09Where Do The Boys Go? > =096:48=09Mothers Opinion > =092:40=09Eurotheme > =094:20=09Messiahs Die Young > =094:55=09I Know Their Name > =094:17=09Folk Of The 80's > =093:15=09I Sing Last / Not For Tears > =094:28=09Antarctica* >=20 > The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least=20 > 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust= =20 > your opinions. >=20 > carl caprioglio >=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 20:30:11 -0700 Subject: Re: MWH Experts Really-From: kahlil "Living In China" (not on US version of ROY) if the same as on "Collection", otherwise "Antarctica". # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:06:52 +0000 Subject: Dump Antarctica? Really-From: Carl Well, the experts have spoken: IIII votes for dumping Antarctica I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks I vote to dump unsatisfaction Any more votes? 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