From: hats-owner@xmission.com To: hats-digest@xmission.com Subject: hats Digest V2 #3 Reply-To: hats@xmission.com Errors-To: hats-owner@xmission.com Precedence: hats Digest Saturday, 17 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 003 In this issue: Re: MWH Experts Re: MWH Experts Re: Everybody Wants to Know the MWH mutual admiration society Re: MWH Experts Re: MWH Experts re: Dump Antarctica? RE: Dump Antarctica? (no subject) Re: Dump Antarctica? RE: Dump Antarctica? MWH Experts Mailing list notification? Re: (no subject) + Freeways Re: MWH Experts Re: Dump Antartica? Reply to: Re: Dump Antarctica? Re: MWH Experts New Re: Dump Antarctica? Re: Instruments Dump Antarctica Re: Mailing list notification? Re: Mailing list notification? See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the hats or hats-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Vickers Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: MWH Experts I say whack "Eurotheme"! Cheers! Michael ************************************************************************* Michael Howland Balewa Vickers mvickers@yorku.ca, Toronto, Canada ************************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: MWH Experts Really-From: Michael Vickers I say whack "Eurotheme"! Cheers! Michael ************************************************************************* Michael Howland Balewa Vickers mvickers@yorku.ca, Toronto, Canada ************************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Michael Vickers Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Everybody Wants to Know On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 BDay0000@aol.com wrote: > Hey... > > To everyone that didn't care for for Sideways...take another listen to > Everybody Wants to Know...To me it sounds like Ivan would have done it that > way even if he wasn't sans-synths. I think it is a very good song... > > Brad Day > Atlanta, GA I would certainly disagree with those who don't like Sideways... I know that it's a long way from the moody, and then more upbeat synth ditties we came to associate with MWH, but I thought it was a pretty cool album, maybe less song and lyric oriented, but very listenable as a whole... Heck! My pals and I spent several days outside the local liquor store busking to "Sideways" the summer it came out! (We even met Leonard Cohen's love-child, who helped us out on harmonica for a while.) Cheers, Michael ************************************************************************* Michael Howland Balewa Vickers mvickers@yorku.ca, Toronto, Canada ************************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:35:03 +0000 Subject: the MWH mutual admiration society Hi! Laura in North Carolina again... Gawsh, I just luuuv everybody on the list! I've been having the absolute worst week at work this week, but getting to hear from my hats-buddies has been very cheering, even if's only been "Hi, I'm back on the list" or "Hi, [don't] drop Antarctica." Keep those cards and letters coming, kids - the state Chemistry test is due to the printer next Friday, after which, hey, drinks are on me!!! Have a great weekend, y'all!! ;-) Laura # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Michael Vickers Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: MWH Experts I've never been that crazy about "Antarctica"... how about "Modern(e) Dancing" or some version of "Freeways"? Cheers, Michael ************************************************************************* Michael Howland Balewa Vickers mvickers@yorku.ca, Toronto, Canada ************************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Jupiter8@aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:57:29 -0400 Subject: Re: MWH Experts In a message dated 96-08-16 16:29:54 EDT, you write: << I say whack "Eurotheme"! >> Sacrelige!!!! If there's any whacking...Antartica should be whacked first...So what if there are a few blank minutes left...we have Ant. on the Compilation... Roderick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:57:40 PDT Subject: re: Dump Antarctica? Really-From: ian barland (druthers owner) | Really-From: Carl | | Well, the experts have spoken: | ... | Any more votes? | I'll second the vote for using "short versions" of some songs, whose full version is on Collection. I think some of the songs lose less in the edit than Antarctica contributes, and the end result would be a stronger album. Besides, to me personally, Antarctica has been the centerpiece of my old, worn out RoY cassette; I couldn't *bear* to leave it off. ian (who, despite carping, will eagerly buy *any* RoY/Fot80sIII cd) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 96 22:12:37 UT Subject: RE: Dump Antarctica? Really-From: "Avi Rosenthal" i whole heartly agree !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ANTARCTICA must be kept !!!!!!!!!!!! - ---------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu on behalf of hats mailing list Sent: Friday, August 16, 1996 5:57 PM To: hats@cs.uwp.edu Subject: re: Dump Antarctica? Really-From: ian barland (druthers owner) | Really-From: Carl | | Well, the experts have spoken: | ... | Any more votes? | I'll second the vote for using "short versions" of some songs, whose full version is on Collection. I think some of the songs lose less in the edit than Antarctica contributes, and the end result would be a stronger album. Besides, to me personally, Antarctica has been the centerpiece of my old, worn out RoY cassette; I couldn't *bear* to leave it off. ian (who, despite carping, will eagerly buy *any* RoY/Fot80sIII cd) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:27:52 -0700 Subject: (no subject) Really-From: Senz hats mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu that > says: 'unsubscribe hats' and 'unsubscribe hats-digest' in the > message body. All messages sent to this list are automatically made available > via FTP, Gopher, and WWW. If you do not like this, don't mail to this list. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Senz > > Whoa! Looks like MWH ratings have gone from statistically interesting to > statistically important literally over night! (I guess I'll have to remember > to always post data horizontally.) Thanks people and from that democratic > topic I move on to my question of the day... > > Has anyone noticed that Ivan quoted John Lennon on the PGTW lyric sleeve? > Ivan points out that John said "We must strive the Ivan while it is hat". It > wouldn't be hard to convince me that John was a big MWH fan even if the > time-line makes this unlikely. (I think these two would have worked well > together) Therefore there must be another reason for what John said. Does > anybody know? My guess is that the reference to "Ivan" is of the Russian > people and "hat" meaning, in style or timely. Translation: "Lets make peace > with Russia while we still can" > Am I close? > > And from that rather undemocratic and Leninist topic I say... > > Isn't it funny the way it's connected? > > SENZ > who hats # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 18:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? Really-From: Ethan Hall use the short versions E # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 19:18:30 -0400 Subject: RE: Dump Antarctica? Really-From: thevman@q.continuum.net (Jim V.) Dump the disco long version of safety dance and keep the extended version of antartica. Vman. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:22:43 -0600 (MDT) Subject: MWH Experts Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" I'm with the folks who say "drop Antarctica". It wasn't on the original albums, so it doesn't need to be on the twofer anyway . . . - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:25:15 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Mailing list notification? Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" > The posts that come from the new list don't display "hats@xmission..." > as the sender, like the old list... the sender's e-mail address is > given as the address of the person who actually typed up the message > and sent it to the list. > > Is that going to change? No, I plan to leave it that way to keep it consistent with the other lists I run at xmission. Sorry if it causes anyone any inconvenience . . . - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 17:50:39 -0700 Subject: Re: (no subject) + Freeways Really-From: Senz > > Really-From: Senz > > > > Whoa! Looks like MWH ratings have gone from statistically interesting to > > statistically important literally over night! (I guess I'll have to remember > > to always post data horizontally.) Thanks people and from that democratic > > topic I move on to my question of the day... > > > > Has anyone noticed that Ivan quoted John Lennon on the PGTW lyric sleeve? > > Ivan points out that John said "We must strive the Ivan while it is hat". It > > wouldn't be hard to convince me that John was a big MWH fan even if the > > time-line makes this unlikely. (I think these two would have worked well > > together) Therefore there must be another reason for what John said. Does > > anybody know? My guess is that the reference to "Ivan" is of the Russian > > people and "hat" meaning, in style or timely. Translation: "Lets make peace > > with Russia while we still can" > > Am I close? >who hats sorry, this escaped on me (these topics have been discussed thoroughly) I've been getting two copies of each letter sent to the hats listing. I was checking to see if I was still on the old address. BTW I have another copy of the Freeways LP for anyone who might want it (even in these days of the bootleg). senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 20:33:23 -0400 Subject: Re: MWH Experts Really-From: kerim.sursal@utoronto.ca Antarctica, it seems, is destined to be dropped from an ideal 2-in-1 CD, but what's this business of leaving Unsatisfaction off? I love that song! And every MWH song, for that matter (we'll pretend we don't know about some of the songs on "Sideways"..) I've been away from this list for a while (I got 213 new messages yesterday), so it looks like there IS no 2-in-1 as of yet, eh? I'm just wondering.. is this "ideal CD" discussion a legitimate debate, or simply pure conjecture? (i.e. a total waste of time).. will we EVER see RoY & Folk3 on CD? (why the hell they were never released years ago is beyond me.. you can find Belinda Carlisle & Rick Astley on CD, for friggin' in the riggin'..) - -+!+- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Grebssorg@aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 21:08:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Dump Antartica? Carl (et al), I would like to change my vote. I originally thought we should go with edited versions, keeping "Antarctica". Then the following occurred to me: If, hypothetically speaking, someone were to make a bootleg CD of the first EP and _Freeways_, it would certainly have the longer, original version of "Antarctica" on it. This is where, I must admit (despite having the song on my cassette version of _ROY_) "Antarctica" really belongs. But under any circumstances: Don't -- Don't -- DON'T remove a song (such as "Unsatisfaction" or "Eurotheme", as suggested) which isn't available on CD elsewhere! That would be a FAR more heinous crime than editing a couple of tracks which are available elsewhere. Go get 'em, Carl! Thanks for fighting for us! Swahili Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 22:40:48 -0400 Subject: Reply to: Re: Dump Antarctica? Really-From: The Buzzardman I'm new to the MWH club, although I dare say that I discovered the Great Ones here in the States before anyone else. But, please tell me, someone, what this "twofer" cd is all about. Is there a record company that has the balls to release a compilation of the truly underexposed MWH? Also, where the hell can I get a cd of Rhythm of Youth? And where and what is Ivan the Great doing these days? I long for more! Ivan Rules!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:15:55 -0400 Subject: Re: MWH Experts Really-From: thevman@q.continuum.net (Jim V.) I take that back, keep disco safety dance and dump Cocoricci(la Tango des Voleurs). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: ManMachn2@aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:34:25 -0400 Subject: New I'm new here, don't have much to say, and only have one MWH album - the first. Does anyone know what synths/drum machines were used on Rhythm of Youth? I presume Roland and Linn mostly. Anyone know the truth? Thanks. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: ElKrupla@aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:36:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? In a message dated 96-08-16 01:53:32 EDT, you write: [edited] << Call me overly sentimental, but I'd much rather hear the albums as they were back when I first bought them. "Antarctica" is on "Collection", so people who really want it can find it there. I think it should be removed if time/space is a consideration. And I *like* "Unsatisfaction"... I love how that last buzzing note leads into the drum for "Where Do The Boys Go?" >> I also vote for dumping Antarctica. I like the song, but I like the idea of having the cd keep the original Canadian release order of ROY. That makes Antarctica the odd song out, as it were. I also like Unsatisfaction...dopily repetitive as the words may seem, it is one of my favorite MWH songs. Dave Krupla, also checking back in... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Jupiter8@aol.com Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:26:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Instruments In a message dated 96-08-16 23:36:02 EDT, ManMachn2@aol.com writes: << I'm new here, don't have much to say, and only have one MWH album - the first. Does anyone know what synths/drum machines were used on Rhythm of Youth? I presume Roland and Linn mostly. Anyone know the truth? Thanks. >> That's a matter of opinion I guess....I've heard they used everything from Prophet-5's and 10's to Roland Jupiter-8's and Korg drum machines...then they sampled the instruments on a Synclavier for live performances.... I have yet to hear the truth from Ivan though... Roderick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: CS6521@ssu.southwest.msus.edu Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 1:46:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Dump Antarctica This two-fer CD is supposed to be RoY and FoTEIII, so obviously neither of these two albums should be altered from their original formats. The bonus track(s) should be the first ones cut (or edited). But, if we have to be inane enough to actually vote on this thing, I'd vote for dumping "Antarctica". This makes no difference, though, since it won't be released anyway. Why'd you bring it up, Carl? Out of boredom? That's my reason for everything... Jim Sustacek sustacd@ssu.southwest.msus.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: "Hiram Lester Jr." Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 15:16:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Mailing list notification? On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Lazlo Nibble wrote: > > The posts that come from the new list don't display "hats@xmission..." > > as the sender, like the old list... the sender's e-mail address is > > given as the address of the person who actually typed up the message > > and sent it to the list. > > > > Is that going to change? > > No, I plan to leave it that way to keep it consistent with the other lists > I run at xmission. Sorry if it causes anyone any inconvenience . . . This is much better this way. We were complaining about that on the old list. :) This way, you can actually reply to just the person who sent it. Also, Pine actually puts the correct name on the quoted material. +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Hiram W. Lester, Jr. | E-Mail: hwlester@pobox.com | | Computer Science | Homepage: | | Middle Tennessee State University | http://pobox.com/~hwlester/ | +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 15:16:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Mailing list notification? Really-From: "Hiram Lester Jr." On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Lazlo Nibble wrote: > > The posts that come from the new list don't display "hats@xmission..." > > as the sender, like the old list... the sender's e-mail address is > > given as the address of the person who actually typed up the message > > and sent it to the list. > > > > Is that going to change? > > No, I plan to leave it that way to keep it consistent with the other lists > I run at xmission. Sorry if it causes anyone any inconvenience . . . This is much better this way. We were complaining about that on the old list. :) This way, you can actually reply to just the person who sent it. Also, Pine actually puts the correct name on the quoted material. +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Hiram W. Lester, Jr. | E-Mail: hwlester@pobox.com | | Computer Science | Homepage: | | Middle Tennessee State University | http://pobox.com/~hwlester/ | +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ End of hats Digest V2 #3 ************************ To subscribe to hats Digest, send the command: subscribe hats-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-hats": subscribe hats-digest local-hats@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "hats-digest" in the commands above with "hats". 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