From: hats-owner@xmission.com To: hats-digest@xmission.com Subject: hats Digest V2 #4 Reply-To: hats@xmission.com Errors-To: hats-owner@xmission.com Precedence: hats Digest Thursday, 22 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 004 In this issue: Bootleg and/or Twofer Re: no more hats new user Re: MWH Experts Re: Dump Antarctica? Re: new user videotape Rare Demo Stuff Re: no more hats 2fer vote mwh Re: MWH Experts All This Democracy ... Re: Dump Antarctica? Re: Dump Antarctica? Re: All This Democracy ... Re: MWH Experts All This Democracy ... Re: Dump Antarctica? Re: Videotape Re: All This Democracy ... Re: Videotape ROY/FolkIII Release See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the hats or hats-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 19:35:21 -0400 Subject: Bootleg and/or Twofer Really-From: AG12345@aol.com I've been off the list for a while. What's the news on the bootlegs and/or the official twofer? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 20:26:42 -0400 Subject: Re: no more hats Really-From: KhunJohn@aol.com unsubscribe hats # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 00:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: new user Really-From: ehslin I'm new to the mailing list so I thought I'd say hi to everyone! I'm 17 and live in Northern Ontario (Canada). My favourite bands are (in order) Men Without Hats, Cat Stevens, Fleetwood Mac and, The Teaparty. I play classical guitar and sing. feel free to e-mail me at ehslin@nt.net . -Kevin Stewart # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 00:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: MWH Experts Really-From: Dale Plants carl, have you even disscussed the possibility of realeasing even a limited cd of the rare demo stuff. i know earlier that you had said if things go=20 well maybe a release of this stuff might happen. just wondering. do you think that they (whoever has the rights) would=20 even consider it? thanks dale On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, hats mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Carl >=20 >=20 > Just for fun ;) I am working on the _ideal_ track listing for the 2 for= =20 > 1 CD. We have a 74 minute limit so one of the fillowing tracks has to=20 > go: >=20 > Rhythm of Youth > =090:58=09Ban The Game > =093:04=09Living In China > =094:41=09The Great Ones Remember > =094:44=09I Got The Message > =093:26=09Cocoricci (Le Tango des Voleurs) > =092:44=09The Safety Dance > =092:59=09Ideas for Walls > =094:56=09Things In My Life > =094:19=09I Like > =091:59=09The Great Ones Remember (reprise) >=20 > Folk of the =8C80s (Part III) > =092:09=09No Dancing > =093:15=09Unsatisfaction > =094:55=09Where Do The Boys Go? > =096:48=09Mothers Opinion > =092:40=09Eurotheme > =094:20=09Messiahs Die Young > =094:55=09I Know Their Name > =094:17=09Folk Of The 80's > =093:15=09I Sing Last / Not For Tears > =094:28=09Antarctica* >=20 > The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least=20 > 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust= =20 > your opinions. >=20 > carl caprioglio >=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 00:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? Really-From: Dale Plants i vote for short versions dale On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, hats mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Carl > > > Well, the experts have spoken: > > > IIII votes for dumping Antarctica > I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks > I vote to dump unsatisfaction > > Any more votes? > > > Carl > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Jupiter8@aol.com Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 08:47:44 -0400 Subject: Re: new user In a message dated 96-08-18 01:04:26 EDT, you write: << I'm new to the mailing list so I thought I'd say hi to everyone! I'm 17 and live in Northern Ontario (Canada). My favourite bands are (in order) Men Without Hats, Cat Stevens, Fleetwood Mac and, The Teaparty. I play classical guitar and sing. feel free to e-mail me at ehslin@nt.net . -Kevin Stewart >> Where in Northern Ontario...I'm originally from the Sault... Roderick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Thomas Norman Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 08:53:33 -0400 Subject: videotape OK. Here is the news on the video. So far people are sending me : 1. In the 21st Century 2. Top of the Pops '86 3. Pop Goes the World This means the tape looks like this: 1.Safety Dance 2. I like 3. Pop Goes the World 4. Top of the Pops (live broadcast '86) Not much of a tape yet. We still need: Where do the Boys Go? Moonbeam Hey Men Sideways We are making progress though. For those of you who didn't get my first message, here it is. The final tape will cost $10 US (outside of US may be a wee bit more depending on where you live). If you send in a contribution (videos we don't have yet or other footage), you get your original tape shipped back for free + a free FINAL TAPE. Incentives Incentives Incentives. I have already purchased a couple of bricks of blanks. There are already more than 10 people intersted in a copy of the tape. This is all working out so far. I think I will just about break even, but we need those other videos, hatters. My mailing address is: Tom Norman 2593 Osceola Ave. Columbus, OH 43211 USA If you just want a copy of the tape, please don't clutter up the list with e-mail. I WILL make everyone a copy when the tape is done. If you have a video to contribute, definately e-mail me. We could all use any footage, any generation. If you are in Europe or Africa or Asia, no matter. I can use your footage just the same. I have a World Multistandards converter. I can likewise make a tape for ALL, regardless of what country you live in. Tom tnorman@mail.netwalk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 09:15:50 -0800 Subject: Rare Demo Stuff Really-From: Carl Dale: Not yet. It is tough enough to get the stuff that was released comercially. Slim chance, but it could happen. > Really-From: Dale Plants > > carl, > > have you even disscussed the possibility of realeasing even a limited cd > of the rare demo stuff. i know earlier that you had said if things go > well maybe a release of this stuff might happen. > just wondering. do you think that they (whoever has the rights) would > even consider it? > > thanks > dale # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Carl Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 21:04:37 +0000 Subject: Re: no more hats > I'd vote for dumping "Antarctica". This makes no difference, though, > since it won't be released anyway. Why'd you bring it up, Carl? Out > of boredom? That's my reason for everything... > Wow. Is this tough love or what? The bottom line is that the negotiations are ongoing and I would like to be prepared if/when I get the green light. I have new options available that I plan to explore. I have become quite a fan since I started working on Collection. I would like to see these recordings available legally. Sit tight and wish me luck. Carl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Brent Foster Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 09:49:49 +1200 Subject: 2fer vote Another vote for keeping the two albums in their original form if possible, which means dumping Antarctica. Brent # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: "Thomas R.Day" Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 21:13:53 -0500 Subject: mwh Hi folks, i'm new to this and just want to know what is new, and is there any hope for ROY. Tom Duluth, MN - -- MZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 07:40:30 +0200 Subject: Re: MWH Experts Really-From: Josefsson Per-Johan I agrre with Heath to replace two tracks with their edited single versions: > 4:44 I Got The Message 3:30 I Got The Message [single edit] > 4:19 I Like 3:22 I Like [single edit] /PJ. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: econec@vax.ox.ac.uk Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:16:49 +0100 Subject: All This Democracy ... ... is all very well, but a bit of analysis wouldn't go amiss. Leaving off songs that were on the original release is not the same as leaving off songs that you don't like. The latter is personal and subjective, the former not. (Although we could argue about which version of the CD is the "original".) Following on from the fact that there are at least two original versions of the CD, leaving off songs on Collection makes more sense than leaving off songs that are not. (Hell, as long as you have indestructible digital versions you can make your own UK, US or even Yugoslav version of the album on tape if you are that hot on album continuity.) Personally, I fancy the edited versions idea, though I'd also like to know how "hard" the 74 minute constraint is. (I know pressing errors go up as you make CDs longer and in bulk pressings this results in an unacceptable level of throwaways but does the same limitation apply to our "hand" pressings?) ATB, Edmund PS Amazing fact about CD, from Scientific American: It is claimed that the algorithm for error correction in CD can cope with a 2mm hole drilled in the CD. Anybody want to test this with an original ROY? (Ducking and running :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Danny Rossi Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? > >I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks > >I vote to dump unsatisfaction > > > >Any more votes? I used to think the sugestion of usign the shorter version of "Antarctica" was a great idea. But the short version is already used on "Collection"! In my opinion, keep the original RoY and FoT80s, don't touch them! "Antarctica" should be kept because it's the longer version. How much time is left on the disc? Remember, you can still go past the 75 minute mark. I have some CDs where they reach very close to 79 minutes. ...................................suReAl!.................................... ae752@freenet.toronto.on.ca Daniele Rossi (That's MISTER to you!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? Really-From: Danny Rossi > >I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks > >I vote to dump unsatisfaction > > > >Any more votes? I used to think the sugestion of usign the shorter version of "Antarctica" was a great idea. But the short version is already used on "Collection"! In my opinion, keep the original RoY and FoT80s, don't touch them! "Antarctica" should be kept because it's the longer version. How much time is left on the disc? Remember, you can still go past the 75 minute mark. I have some CDs where they reach very close to 79 minutes. ae752@freenet.toronto.on.ca Daniele Rossi (That's MISTER to you!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Danny Rossi Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: All This Democracy ... > PS Amazing fact about CD, from Scientific American: It is claimed that the > algorithm for error correction in CD can cope with a 2mm hole drilled in the > CD. Anybody want to test this with an original ROY? (Ducking and running :) Sorry for flooding people's maiulboxes with this unreleated topic, but I couldn't resist. I have a few cds with holes in them and they do play crystal clear anyway! :) Thsoe cds weren't over 74 minutes. They are under 40! ...................................suReAl!.................................... ae752@freenet.toronto.on.ca Daniele Rossi (That's MISTER to you!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: James Davis Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:59:59 -0700 Subject: Re: MWH Experts hats mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Heath David > > My recommendation would be to replace two tracks with their > edited single versions: > > 4:44 I Got The Message > 3:30 I Got The Message [single edit] > > > 4:19 I Like > 3:22 I Like [single edit] > I agree.. the single edits aren't just truncated versions of the originals; they're slightly different mixes. I remember thinking I had gotten shortchanged when buying the 7" singles, only to find that the cuts are pretty cool. From a fan's point of view, seeing a 2-for-1 CD out with the original tracks from Folk III and RoY will be great - of course! But after the initial packaging lookover & play(s), what remains is a great sounding CD copy of everything found on the cassette and LP copies of these albums - which have been available for the past 12+ years. This is what I was afraid MCA was eventually going to do just for the pure $$$ (and this is no knock on Carl's hard work). Adding the long (or short) version of Antartica, along with the edits of "I Like" and "I Got the Message", would take the release above the (this'll-sound-bad-but-it's-not-meant-to-be) mediocrity of a simple rerelease. Only my opinions! Jim - -- mailto:goreal@oz.net | http://www.oz.net/~goreal/menwithouthats # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: "Lazlo Nibble" Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:27:57 -0600 (MDT) Subject: All This Democracy ... > Following on from the fact that there are at least two original versions of > the CD, leaving off songs on Collection makes more sense than leaving off > songs that are not. There are not "two original versions" of Rhythm of Youth. There is *one* original version -- that's what the word "original" means. The US LP/CS versions were revised versions. What makes the most sense is to put the *original* versions of the two albums in question on the twofer CD and leave any stray non-album tracks to a possible future collection. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: "Lazlo Nibble" Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:29:15 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? Danny (and others): please do NOT send messages to both the old list and the new list. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:51:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Videotape Really-From: ObieGregg@aol.com Count me in toooooooooo! Sounds Great! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Jupiter8@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:57:29 -0400 Subject: Re: All This Democracy ... In a message dated 96-08-19 13:29:02 EDT, you write: << What makes the most sense is to put the *original* versions of the two albums in question on the twofer CD and leave any stray non-album tracks to a possible future collection. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) >> Spoken very wisely...bootleg CD's are in the making...put the originals on the 2'fer and leave the extra stuff for the bootleg...Methinks that is why Carl is trying extra hard to get this released...in this age of being able to copy CD's for next to nothing...what's to keep us from making our own copies and distributing them ourselves? Not much...it would be hard to track down...If this 2'fer doesn't come out...the bootleg will...it WILL come out....and Durand won't get as much money because fans won't be as hardpressed to find the original albums on CD...Antartica is not "that" great a song...I would much rather have the original albums remain intact than to have to get a bootleg later on of the "original" MWH cd's in their originally released format (which is what I would press Mikey for if they don't come out that way). My thoughts... Roderick (the purist) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 20:51:18 +0900 Subject: Re: Videotape Really-From: "William G. Perrin III" hats mailing list wrote: > Hi all, > OK. Since no one else has spoken up about the videotape, I WILL do it. Sign me up!! Do you take Japanese Yen? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Carl Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 08:37:55 -0800 Subject: ROY/FolkIII Release I will be making an announcement within the next two weeks about the release of ROY/FolkIII. There is a small light at the end of the tunnel. With regard to the track listing, survey says........ Bye bye Antarctica! Carl@Oglio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ End of hats Digest V2 #4 ************************ To subscribe to hats Digest, send the command: subscribe hats-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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