From: hats-owner@xmission.com To: hats-digest@xmission.com Subject: hats Digest V2 #5 Reply-To: hats@xmission.com Errors-To: hats-owner@xmission.com Precedence: hats Digest Sunday, 1 September 1996 Volume 02 : Number 005 In this issue: "Original" "Original" Oglio Web Page Videotape progress Re: Videotape progress MwH in Germany List Move - Final Notice Videotape Progress Re: Videotape Progress Re: hats Digest V2 #4 Re: hats Digest V2 #4 Re: hats Digest V2 #4 Re: hats Digest V2 #4 Video suggestions and some unrelated news Re: Video suggestions and some unrelated news Re: Videotape Progress Re: Videotape progress Re: Videotape Progress Re: Videotape Progress Re: Videotape progress introduction and curiousity... Hats poster for sale Oglio MWH 2 for 1 News See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the hats or hats-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grebssorg@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:31:49 -0400 Subject: "Original" Listfolk, I'm not sure the contention made here about there being only one "original" form of an album is fair, and further I'm not even sure it can always be applied. As for the first item, fairness, who cares? We could argue that one all day. I'm an American, and my first taste of _ROY_ was the US cassette version, quite different from the Canadian album. Anyway.... More importantly: In this day and age, I don't know that one can always use 'first release' as a catch-all. What about a world-wide release on the same day, with different tracks and sequencing in different countries? Japan, for instance, often gets more tracks for their albums. And US CD's from UK bands occasionally have one more track, or one less. One might argue that the format of the release in the country of the band's origin is the "original" format. But what if the band is far more successful in another country? (Bush, for example, has sold 16,000 albums in its native UK, 2 million in the US.) And what if the cassette and CD forms in the same country have different tracklistings? (See Pink Floyd's _Pulse_, for example.) Then which is the "original"? And what about the country where the release is being made? Oglio is an American company, not Canadian. One might argue that they have no reason to follow a Canadian precedent. MHW's own country can't even get these albums re-released, so why should their old format decisions dictate what the new re-release should look like? Just some food for thought.... I tried not to be rude or anything. If I offended Lazlo or Canadians or anyone else, I apologize. Swahili Steve < http://members.aol.com/grebbsorg > Now playing: _Alpha_ by Asia (...no, really!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: "Lazlo Nibble" Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:38:58 -0600 (MDT) Subject: "Original" > I'm not sure the contention made here about there being only one "original" > form of an album is fair, and further I'm not even sure it can always be > applied. If you don't think my assertion applies generally, okay -- I don't think it does either. I do think it applies quite well to this particular album, though. I don't like it when record companies alter the tracking on a reissue to meet time contraints or serve some perceived marketing need in different countries (as in: "Americans won't like this version, let's drop some album tracks and stick on a couple of old singles"). It makes a lot more sense to me that the twofer release duplicate the original Canadian version of RoY than it does for Oglio to try to squeeze in what amounts to a "bonus" track ("Antarctica") by using edits instead of LP versions or by dropping other album tracks at random. The original (non-US) tracking of RoY may not be how *you* first heard the album, but at least it's how *some* people heard it. A tweaked tracking would have no claim to archival legitimacy whatsoever. Fortunately the question seems to be moot. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Steve Jackson Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:20:58 -0400 Subject: Oglio Web Page I don't recall anyone else mentioning this yet: Oglio records has a web page now: http://www.oglio.com/ complete with a front page link to the Men Without Hats homepage at MIT: http://web.mit.edu/user/t/o/tobye/www/mwh/ I just wanted to pass this along... Steve - -- mailto:sj@synchrologic.com http://www.synchrologic.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Thomas Norman Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:30:58 -0500 Subject: Videotape progress Hi All, I have just received Senz's "In the 21st Century" and "Hey Men" videos. They play perfectly on my (player) VCR! Looks like 1st or 2nd generation for sure! Here's what we've got now: Safety Dance I Like Pop Goes The World In The 21st Century Hey Men Here's what we need: Moonbeam WDTBG Sideways extras? (MM Spotlight, live etc.) I realize some of the videos are en route, but I wanted everyone to know what we've got today, Friday. Keep the footage coming..... Tom tnorman@mail.netwalk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Tony Gale Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 20:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Videotape progress On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Thomas Norman wrote: > Hi All, > I have just received Senz's "In the 21st Century" and "Hey Men" videos. > They play perfectly on my (player) VCR! Looks like 1st or 2nd generation > for sure! > > Here's what we've got now: Safety Dance > I Like > Pop Goes The World > In The 21st Century > Hey Men > > Here's what we need: Moonbeam > WDTBG > Sideways > > extras? (MM Spotlight, live etc.) > > I realize some of the videos are en route, but I wanted everyone to know > what we've got today, Friday. > Keep the footage coming..... > Tom > tnorman@mail.netwalk.com > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. > I have a very brief segment of Ivan saying "Hi, this is Ivan from that band Men Without Hats". From a Good Rockin' Tonite special. If you are intersested let me know. I am very interested in the video as well. thanx TDG "It's because I chatter that I do nothing. Or perhaps it is that I chatter because I do nothing." F. Dostoevsky # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: barnard@forge.franken.de (Henning Schmiedehausen) Date: 26 Aug 1996 01:29:10 +0200 Subject: MwH in Germany I was in a bigger record store (W.O.M. in Nueremberg) on saturday and while browsing through the MwH section I found the Collection CD. So it seems to have it made to Germany... They also had the other three 'available' MwH CDs (Adventures, Pop and Sideways). Quite expensive ($25) though. I also found the Weird Al CD 'In 3D' with the 'Brady Bunch' on it. Quite cool but too expensive ($30, ouch). Ciao Henning - -- Henning Schmiedehausen ...side by side in orbit... around a fairer SUN. barnard@forge.franken.de http://www.franken.de/users/forge/henning We try to reproduce each bad bug and to figure out the scope of its malfeasance - -- does this bug merely hang a window, or does it kill an entire app? Does it wedge the app server, crash the entire machine, crash all machines in the same room, shut off the electricity to the building, or run around the parking lot letting air out of car tires? -- Melissa Rogers # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:54:39 -0600 (MDT) Subject: List Move - Final Notice Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" I've given David Datta the final go-ahead to shut down the versions of these lists that live at cs.uwp.edu. If you have not yet moved over to the versions of the lists at xmission.com, please do so immediately. For detailed instructions on joining the new versions of the lists, visit http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Lists (If you came in late, these lists are moving from cs.uwp.edu to xmission.com because cs.uwp.edu is going to be shut down soon.) - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Thomas Norman Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:16:40 -0500 Subject: Videotape Progress Good News! The tape is almost complete! We now have : 1. Safety Dance 2. I Like 3. Pop Goes The World 4. Moonbeam (not the greatest quality) 5. In The 21st Century 6. Hey Men 7. Record Guide episode hosted by IVAN on MWH from around '88 We need: 1. Where Do The Boys Go? 2. Sideways 3. spotlight from Much Music or Musique Plus???? cheers, Tom tnorman@mail.netwalk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: BDay0000@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:44:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Videotape Progress Tom, Count me in for a Video, please guy!!!!!! Hey, how about a naming contest? Brad Day # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Grebssorg@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:56:15 -0400 Subject: Re: hats Digest V2 #4 I got hats-digest V2 #4 last Thursday, and haven't received anything since. Is there a systemic problem, or am I the only lucky one? - -Swahili Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: "Lazlo Nibble" Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:24:57 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: hats Digest V2 #4 > I got hats-digest V2 #4 last Thursday, and haven't received anything since. > Is there a systemic problem, or am I the only lucky one? The hats list is very low traffic at the moment, so it takes a long time between digests. I'll look into forcing it to send one out each day no matter how small. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: "Hiram Lester Jr." Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:05:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: hats Digest V2 #4 On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Lazlo Nibble wrote: > The hats list is very low traffic at the moment, so it takes a long time > between digests. > > I'll look into forcing it to send one out each day no matter how small. What is happening to the list archives with the move to a new machine? +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Hiram W. Lester, Jr. | E-Mail: hwlester@pobox.com | | Computer Science | Homepage: | | Middle Tennessee State University | http://pobox.com/~hwlester/ | +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: "Lazlo Nibble" Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:08:12 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: hats Digest V2 #4 >> The hats list is very low traffic at the moment, so it takes a long time >> between digests. >> >> I'll look into forcing it to send one out each day no matter how small. > > What is happening to the list archives with the move to a new machine? I'm moving the old uwp archives to xmission as time permits. I imagine that they'll remain available on archive(s).uwp.edu as well. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:09:15 -0700 Subject: Video suggestions and some unrelated news I don't have the clip I'm about to mention, but I remember it vividly. Ivan and (I believe) Stefan were interviewed on MTV right as "Safety Dance" was becoming popular. Ivan explained the "S" arm gesture from the video to the veejay interviewer (I believe it was Mark Goodman). Ivan was soft-spoken and bright. I remember being impressed by him, which added to my enjoyment of "Safety Dance" even more. Does anyone have any idea of how to find this interview? It would be such a great addition to the already wonderful video we've got brewing... Don2 dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com P.S. 80s MUSIC FANS: For any fans of Ebn-Ozn, I heard from Ebn himself that, after 12 years, "Feeling Cavalier" may *finally* be released on CD. More as it develops... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Thomas Norman Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:59:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Video suggestions and some unrelated news >I don't have the clip I'm about to mention, but I remember it vividly. > >Ivan and (I believe) Stefan were interviewed on MTV right as "Safety >Dance" was becoming popular. Ivan explained the "S" arm gesture from >the video to the veejay interviewer (I believe it was Mark Goodman). >Ivan was soft-spoken and bright. I remember being impressed by him, >which added to my enjoyment of "Safety Dance" even more. > >Does anyone have any idea of how to find this interview? It would be >such a great addition to the already wonderful video we've got >brewing... Don, this would be a real gem! But I don't think anyone has this. > >Don2 >dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com >P.S. 80s MUSIC FANS: For any fans of Ebn-Ozn, I heard from Ebn himself > that, after 12 years, "Feeling Cavalier" may *finally* be > released on CD. More as it develops... I want this CD!!!! tnorman@mail.netwalk.com Tom # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Thomas Norman Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:03:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Videotape Progress At 09:44 PM 8/26/96 -0400, you wrote: >Tom, > >Count me in for a Video, please guy!!!!!! Hey, how about a naming contest? > >Brad Day > You bet, Brad! Its gonna be a couple more weeks before I get all the master tapes , though. Don't send me a check for a bit longer. I'll make an anouncement on the list when I'm ready to begin recording. Its gonna take a while, too. I'm recording every tape individually from all the seperate master vids, for the best possible picture quality. You won't be dissatisfied, I promise. But everyone on this list will get a tape that wants one. I won't send the masters back until we all have a copy. Tom tnorman@mail.netwalk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Thomas Norman Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:05:35 -0500 Subject: Re: Videotape progress At 08:30 PM 8/23/96 -0700, you wrote: >On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Thomas Norman wrote: > >> Hi All, >> I have just received Senz's "In the 21st Century" and "Hey Men" videos. >> They play perfectly on my (player) VCR! Looks like 1st or 2nd generation >> for sure! >> >> Here's what we've got now: Safety Dance >> I Like >> Pop Goes The World >> In The 21st Century >> Hey Men > > >> Here's what we need: Moonbeam >> WDTBG >> Sideways >> >> extras? (MM Spotlight, live etc.) >> >> I realize some of the videos are en route, but I wanted everyone to know >> what we've got today, Friday. >> Keep the footage coming..... >> Tom >> tnorman@mail.netwalk.com >> >> >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? >> # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. >> >I have a very brief segment of Ivan saying "Hi, this is Ivan from that >band Men Without Hats". From a Good Rockin' Tonite special. If you are >intersested let me know. I am very interested in the video as well. >thanx > TDG "It's because I chatter that I do nothing. >Or perhaps it is that I chatter because I do nothing." > F. Dostoevsky Is it under one minute? Maybe its not worth the trouble. Tom tnorman@mail.netwalk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Michael Watters Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 16:18:23 -0700 Subject: Re: Videotape Progress Almost forgot... Sometime very soon I should be getting the following you might also like: WALL OF VOODOO-American Bandstand 1983 (10 min) WALL OF VOODOO-MV3 (local L.A. show) 1983 (10 min) WALL OF VOODOO-Mex Radio We're Dancing TV show (10 min) WALL OF VOODOO-Cutting edge mtv 1982 callbox & crack the bell (10m) WALL OF VOODOO-Andy Prieboy and Chas interviews (5 min) WALL OF VOODOO-Far Side of Crazy video & mtv interview (5 min) WALL OF VOODOO-Do It Again (extended video version) 5+min WALL OF VOODOO-Mex Radio livein Atlanta (5 min) WALL OF VOODOO-live in San Juan Capistrano 1986 (15 min) PRIEBOY,ANDY-videos interviews (30 min) If you wanna delay things a little I can add that to our trade easily. mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Michael Watters Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 16:28:33 -0700 Subject: Re: Videotape Progress Sorry about that folks... As you've undoubtedly figured out, that note was intended for someone else... nevermind. mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Tony Gale Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Videotape progress On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Thomas Norman wrote: > At 08:30 PM 8/23/96 -0700, you wrote: >On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Thomas > Norman wrote: > >> Hi All, >> I have just received Senz's "In the 21st > Century" and "Hey Men" videos. >> They play perfectly on my (player) > VCR! Looks like 1st or 2nd generation >> for sure! >> >> Here's what > we've got now: Safety Dance >> I Like >> Pop Goes The World >> In The > 21st Century >> Hey Men > > >> Here's what we need: Moonbeam >> WDTBG > >> Sideways >> >> extras? (MM Spotlight, live etc.) >> >> I realize > some of the videos are en route, but I wanted everyone to know >> what > we've got today, Friday. >> Keep the footage coming..... >> Tom >> > tnorman@mail.netwalk.com >> >> >> # Need help using (or leaving) this > mailing list? >> # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the > message. >> >I have a very brief segment of Ivan saying "Hi, this is > Ivan from that >band Men Without Hats". From a Good Rockin' Tonite > special. If you are >intersested let me know. I am very interested in > the video as well. >thanx > TDG "It's because I chatter that I do > nothing. >Or perhaps it is that I chatter because I do nothing." > F. > Dostoevsky Is it under one minute? Maybe its not worth the trouble. > Tom tnorman@mail.netwalk.com > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email > majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. > Way under a minute but its cool TDG "It's because I chatter that I do nothing. Or perhaps it is that I chatter because I do nothing." F. Dostoevsky # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Laurel Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 10:49:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: introduction and curiousity... Hi. My name is Laurel Palmer and I am a big MWH fan. I suppose that goes without saying being as I am subscribed to this list. Just curious to see if there is anyone out there... Laurel O- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: heidi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu (Heidi) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 14:13:34 -0400 Subject: Hats poster for sale I have a poster of Hats on stage from a ROY concert that I'd like to sell. I don't remember what I paid for it, so if you're interested in it, just make me an offer. I don't how much postage will be or the cost of a poster tube yet, so figure that's extra and I'll find out during the week. If you're interested reply to me at heidi@world.std.com, not the whole list. (no that's not a typo, it's just a different address then the one I read the list on.) =}{= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Carl Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 20:28:12 +0000 Subject: Oglio MWH 2 for 1 News I just love to play good news-bad news with you guys. ;-) GOOD NEWS: The MWH Roy/Folk 2 for 1 will be released during the next six months. BAD NEWS: We were unable to reach a compromise with the US licensor for the US territory. The CD will likely first appear in Europe or another overseas country. Details have yet to be determined but the tracks will most likely include those already discussed. Packaging will be similar to our previous 2for1 series releases. For those of us in the US and Canada we will have to rely on friends outside North America for our copies for now. I know it sucks. I tried to work for a worldwide release but it is just not meant to happen. This is the first public announcement. Tell your friends! :-) Carl @ Oglio Records # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ End of hats Digest V2 #5 ************************ To subscribe to hats Digest, send the command: subscribe hats-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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