From: hats-owner@xmission.com To: hats-digest@xmission.com Subject: hats Digest V2 #11 Reply-To: hats@xmission.com Errors-To: hats-owner@xmission.com Precedence: hats Digest Friday, 27 December 1996 Volume 02 : Number 011 In this issue: (hats) Thanks guys!!! (hats) MWH CDs (hats) bootleg CD - me too (hats) CDs (hats) more CD praising... (hats) Dr Bruce Murphy? Re: (hats) more CD praising... (hats) Jaw on the floor (hats) David Brady's Comments (hats) Pop Goes the World and Soccer Re: (hats) Pop Goes the World and Soccer [none] (hats) Re: (hats) Re: Videotape # assignments Re: (hats) Pop Goes the World and Soccer (hats) Hey Men! (hats) CDs..... (hats) Antarctica (1980) (hats) I wish you a .... (hats) CDs (hats) Antarctica See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the hats or hats-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ian@spam.ctr.usf.edu (Ian Ingham) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:36:24 -0500 Subject: (hats) Thanks guys!!! Just wanted to toss in my thanks also to both Tom and J.R. for the fine, dedicated work they have put in to help enrich the Hats legacy among the fans! ian - ---------------------------------- Ian Ingham Phone: (813) 974-5003 FAX: (813) 974-4180 E-Mail: ian@spam.ctr.usf.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: FRANCOIS BLAWAT Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 08:52:34 -0600 Subject: (hats) MWH CDs Hi all! Any word on more CDs? I've missed both chances on getting the list because I receive my E-Mails later than everyone else. I'm hoping someone will be offering CDs again. Thanks, Francois # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: "Gregory T. Samson" Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 12:41:38 -0800 Subject: (hats) bootleg CD - me too is anyone re-pressing the bootleg 3CD set in the US...? i think i NEED to have these. thanks! - -- Gregory T. Samson, MD - Dr. Evil Microwizard "this isn't music. this is just noise!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: BDay0000@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 21:53:53 -0500 Subject: (hats) CDs Hey!!!! Are the CDs everyone is raving about still available? I'm getting mixed messages. I've finally gotten ahead in my bills and xmas shopping and am ready to turn loose of twenty seven bucks. Somebody please tell me!!!!!! =] Brad Day # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: CS6709@ssu.southwest.msus.edu Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 21:50:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: (hats) more CD praising... The CDs are wonderful!!! I can't stop listening to them, even to work on my research paper! But I have a question: was "Freeways" originally intended for Folk III, like "Editions of You"? It's such a great song! If those two songs would have been on Folk III, that album would have done much better... Listening to "ROY Live", Jim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: bugg@marquis.netinc.ca Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 11:41:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: (hats) Dr Bruce Murphy? Does anyone know who Dr Bruce Murphy is? I need to get in contact with him. Supposedly he has a MWH chat line or something. If anyone can help i'd appreciate it. I'm also interested in those CD's everyones so hype about. If you burn anymore let me know. Thanks Bugg "If all else fails, use the open eye." - - Chonky Orkin Boggles # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: "David Brady" Date: 20 Dec 96 09:47:58 -0800 Subject: Re: (hats) more CD praising... >The CDs are wonderful!!! Shut up already!!!! :) I'm a digest reader (or was) and imagine my happiness when I saw the first few subjects pop up: >hats Digest Sunday, 8 December 1996 Volume 02 : Number >009 > >In this issue: > > (hats) Men Without Hats Day > (hats) MWH on CD...read me! > (hats) CD update I quickly page through the digest.... of course the first message is ironic: >From: "Lazlo Nibble" >Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:27:40 -0700 (MST) >Subject: (hats) Men Without Hats Day > >> Note to Lazlo: Regardless of whether or not the *size* of the digest is >> cumbersome or not, the fact that I receive it only about once a week is >cause >> for some frustration. It's hard to keep up a thread under such >> circumstances. Couldn't you please return it to a daily issue? > >I'm afraid the only way to do that is broken on xmission right now. Maybe >when they upgrade to majordomo 1.94 I'll be able to set things up that way. > The next message has me WAY excited: >From: Tempe Video >Date: Thu, 21 Nov 96 13:33:08 -0400 >Subject: (hats) MWH on CD...read me! > >Greetings, fellow Hatters! Apologies up front for the long post, but = >I think you'll like it... Then... >Date: Thu, 21 Nov 96 20:13:02 -0400 >Subject: (hats) CD update > >Hello all... > >Well, in the space of a few short hours we're up to 24 sets of CDs >already. So, if you want them, cast your e-mails today. Then... >Date: Thu, 21 Nov 96 23:28:18 -0400 >Subject: (hats) CD Update, Vol. 2 > >We're up to 34 of the aforementioned 3-CD set as of this writing. I'm >going to start burning CDs tomorrow morning...even with a quad-speed >burner this is going to take awhile! But, fear not...I'll get to everyone >as the orders come in. Then... >Date: Sat, 23 Nov 96 16:53:46 -0400 >Subject: (hats) 3 CDs left to go... > >We're up to 47 sets of the 3 CDs at this writing. So, only three more >slots left to fill. And sadly.. >Date: Sun, 24 Nov 96 16:56:44 -0400 >Subject: (hats) 50 CDs... > >We've reached the magic number...50 sets of CDs have been "ordered". No >promises after that, so please hold off sending me any more orders until >I finish up with these... Note the date that the digest actually was sent and you'll see why a MWH fan might be frustrated. Still, I'm hoping someone will continue on with the project and I'm sure I'll eventually see my own copy of the set. Much thanks to J.R. for at least bringing it one step closer! - -- David Brady mailto:brady_david@tandem.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 09:59:49 -0800 Subject: (hats) Jaw on the floor After a crappy day at work yesterday, I returned home in a SEVERE funk. But when I opened my mailbox, all my grey clouds disappeared, for there were my MWH CDs! I have been wanting to hear the tracks on "freeways" for years now... and there they were, coming out of my speakers. I love tracing the history of bands that I like (no pun intended), and listening to the sparse arrangements on "Modern(e) Dancing" and "Utter Space" gave me a deeper appreciation for the music that appeared on "Rhythm Of Youth". The live concert discs are awesome... it's interesting to see that they were performing some material live *years* before it saw official release ("Jenny Wore Black" in '85!). J.R.... you deserve a medal for this. Wonderful, wonderful stuff. Between these CDs and the "Young Ones" tapes I just ordered, I have given myself the best Christmas gifts of all... We can dance if we want to! Don2 dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: JFRACCHIA@oa.ithaca.edu Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 13:24:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: (hats) David Brady's Comments David Brady summed up exactly what my experience was. Majorly disappointed to have missed out, but glad that such initiative was taken to gather this material together. I have learned the hard way that it is much better to not be a digest subscriber. Peace and Happy Holidays, John Fracchia # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: Rafael Tarud Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 16:48:28 -0400 Subject: (hats) Pop Goes the World and Soccer Hello Everyone: I am new on this list and I am really happy I joined it. I have been a fan of MWH ever since the first time I heard "The Safety Dance". Here in Chile MWH is only known for Safety Dance, I Like and Pop Goes the World. The funny thing is that soccer is THE main sport, and some people really go grazy for it, and one of the main anthems sung at Stadiums are with the melody of Pop Goes the World (of course the words are different and in Spanish), but no one knows where it comes from. This same thing can be observed in Argentina, where soccer fans are also very energetic. Well, I wonder if this has happened someplace else..maybe the melody of Pop Goes the World is sticky, or leads to other inspirations.... Greetings to All, and Merry Christmas Rafael Tarud Castano Rafael_Tarudmacland.cl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: Bruce Murphy Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 18:38:32 +0000 Subject: Re: (hats) Pop Goes the World and Soccer > Rafael Tarud wrote: > > Hello Everyone: I am new on this list and I am really happy I joined it. I > have been a fan of MWH ever since the first time I heard "The Safety > Dance". Here in Chile MWH is only known for Safety Dance, I Like and Pop > Goes the World. > > The funny thing is that soccer is THE main sport, and some people really > go grazy for it, and one of the main anthems sung at Stadiums are with the > melody of Pop Goes the World (of course the words are different and in > Spanish), but no one knows where it comes from. This same thing can be >> observed in Argentina, where soccer fans are also very energetic. >> > Well, I wonder if this has happened someplace else..maybe the melody of > Pop Goes the World is sticky, or leads to other inspirations.... > > Greetings to All, and Merry Christmas > > Rafael Tarud Castano > Rafael_Tarudmacland.cl > Wow, the world IS a funny place! What ARE the words to Pop Goes the World in Spanish? I'll send them off to Ivan... I'm sure he'll be surprised. -- Dr. Bruce Murphy Ottawa, Canada Dictator for Life; Underground Miata Network http://www.ottawa.net/~tanner/umn - -- Dr. Bruce Murphy Ottawa, Canada Dictator for Life; Underground Miata Network http://www.ottawa.net/~tanner/umn # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: haloweb@interlog.com (Wolf/Tod) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 20:57:45 -0500 Subject: [none] hey bruce,,, i miss the stunt chimps...... maybe a reunion show of sorts ??!! ( the band im in would have loved to have played with you !!) PS... i still have that Canadaian Musician Article... it was Very inspiring. Thank You wolf haloweb@interlog.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: Bruce Murphy Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 10:39:32 +0000 Subject: (hats) Re: Wolf/Tod wrote: > > hey bruce,,, i miss the stunt chimps...... maybe a reunion show of sorts > ??!! ( the band im in would have loved to have played with you !!) > > PS... i still have that Canadaian Musician Article... it was Very inspiring. > Thank You > > wolf > haloweb@interlog.com Yikes! A "Stunt Chimps for Burgess Meredith" fan! This was a vaguely industrial band that I did after the PGTW tour. Very serious and menacing, but as we found the whole industrial scene a little silly we spent most of our time howling with laughter at our own songs. Kind of became local heroes in Toronto for a while, but no one else ever heard of us. (Got my first royalty cheque for a song called "Claves" in this band... it was $1.37) - -- Dr. Bruce Murphy Ottawa, Canada Dictator for Life; Underground Miata Network http://www.ottawa.net/~tanner/umn # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: "Searle" Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 00:31:42 -0700 Subject: (hats) Re: Videotape # assignments Dear Thomas, Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you. I got your tape a while back, but I just started a new job, and have been adjusting to that in the last little while. Last weekend, a similarly rapid Hats fan and myself sat down and watched the video from start to finish. You couldn't wipe the grins off our faces with 30 grit sandpaper. WOW! You have done us all a great favour with your obvious labour of love. We particularly enjoyed the "Freeways" concert footage. It exhibited an energy (and enthusiasm from Ivan) that seemed to be sadly missing from the live "Sideways" tour we saw here in Edmonton. On the funnier side of things, we were bemused by the obvious lip-synching that was occurring during the Top of the Pops and Solid Gold segments. Actually, "Jenny" was even funnier as a guitar player, since her hands never once moved from the lock she had on the frets. Great accomplishment. Between you, Carl at Oglio, and J.R. Bookwalter, I think I may finally be able to end my quest for the old MWOH material. Thanks again, and have a great holiday season! Regards, Steven Searle Edmonton, Alberta P.S. I trust you got my money order safely. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: Danny Rossi Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 13:28:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: (hats) Pop Goes the World and Soccer Hello, welcome to the list :) > > The funny thing is that soccer is THE main sport, and some people really > > go grazy for it, and one of the main anthems sung at Stadiums are with the > > melody of Pop Goes the World (of course the words are different and in > > Spanish), but no one knows where it comes from. This same thing can be > >> observed in Argentina, where soccer fans are also very energetic. There is a spanish version of it?? That must sound so interesting!! :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: LORD HASENPFEFFER Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 16:34:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: (hats) Hey Men! Hey Men! Um, I got my CDs! As everyone else who've received them previously has stated, their quality is top notch. I and some of my friends collect and trade rare concert recordings frequently - and this kind of quality is even rarer (or more rare (or whatever))! I was just typing to someone last week that if it weren't for The Safety Dance and I Like, my fave MWH song would probably be Ban The Game (from Rhythm Of Youth). I said the problem with it though is that it's just a little short intro. I've always thought it would've made a great song if it was longer. Then yesterday, after ten years of thinking this, I discovered that it was indeed a full length song when played live! What a kewl surprise! What exactly is the source of this live material? And I don't mind the fading between the songs at all! In fact, I think it's kinda neat. Whenever I make a custom various artists compilation tape in the future, they'll be a breeze to include because of it. With regards to the rare studio stuff CD, I'm one of those who wondered for twelve years why "(Part III)" appeared after the name "Folk Of The 80s". Until I joined this list a few months ago, I'd never even been aware of the existence of the original "Folk Of The 80s" EP. It's very nice to have it now and be able to listen to it anytime I wish, despite the fact that I do not have a long history of wanting to and being deprived of it at the same time as I know some of you who are reading this do. Is Antarctica listed as "Antarctica (1980)" on the original EP label or is that just something included on my CD to differentiate it from the version that was released in 1983? The two versions don't sound much different to me, although I haven't yet done any side-by-side comparisons. To me it just sounds like there is a bit more reverb in the 1980 mix. I have mixed opinions of "Freeways" having never heard it before either. I don't think it's the greatest thing MWH has ever done, but it's a very good track for MWH curiosity seekers like myself. I really hate 12" singles which pack in 4+ remixes of the same song. I cannot play them all the way through and be thoroughly entertained like I can with most of the other discs I play. I have owned the "Pop Goes The World" and "Moonbeam" 12" singles since they were released. I've always thought "Moonbeam" was a much better song than it's chart action suggested - and the 12" remixes of it are very good as well, however I have always *hated* the PGTW remix 12". All of the remixes on it sound very slow which makes for a poor dance record. Ivan also completely stripped the melody from them, turning them basically into soft rap remixes. Raspberries to that! But overall, these CDs are three of my most prized possessions. If you didn't take a number quickly enough to get your own set and would like a copy of them on a single VHS HiFi videocassette, post me a note privately. Myke the Mad Hatter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: Gregor Watson Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 22:18:14 GMT Subject: (hats) CDs..... Picture a quiet town in Scotland on Christmas eve. The postman knocks on the door, "Delivery for Watson". Could it be 3 brilliantly presented good quality CDs by Men Without Hats, no chance, I must be dreaming. I would've been last Christmas. Thanks J.R. you've done a superb job. Hope all you fellow Hat fans have as good a Christmas, I know I'm going to. Best wishes, Gregor # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: Danny Rossi Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 18:43:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: (hats) Antarctica (1980) > Is Antarctica listed as "Antarctica (1980)" on the original EP label or > is that just something included on my CD to differentiate it from the > version that was released in 1983? The two versions don't sound much What is the 1983 version? Where is it? The 1980 version sounds just like the Freeways one and the one on "Collection". Although, I did not do any side by side comparisons myself. As for the 12" of "PGTW", it's interesting. That one point where Ivan "sings" the last verse (I think it is), he sounds a lot like the singer from Guns And Roses. ........"Where can we find a duck and a hose at this hour?"............. ae752@freenet.toronto.on.ca Daniele Rossi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: Danny Rossi Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 18:48:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: (hats) I wish you a .... Merry Christmas everyone! If you don't celebrate Christmas, then Happy Holidays :) And now a shameful plug: If you get bored over the next two days, take a look at my (rather slow) page and read some comics. The URL is www.interlog.com/~daniele *<(:) ........"Where can we find a duck and a hose at this hour?"............. ae752@freenet.toronto.on.ca Daniele Rossi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: Mike Best Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 06:31:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: (hats) CDs Just had a snowball fight with one of the neighbours kids - doesn't sound too wierd but a) its the first white Christmas we've had in London for 25 years and b) I think it was a neighbours kid but I'm not too sure as I've never seen him before! Anyway, I'm sure the police will come round later... We've got a ghost!!! We were at my parents for Christmas day and for some reason we got talking about ghosts and stuff and my girlfriend mentioned that she'd bee touched on the shoulder a few times when there was no-one else in the flat. She didn't mention it earlier as she thought that she was going a bit mental. I've noticed that sometimes the studio goes really cold and I feel someone walk past me or past the door. I thought that I was going mad so I didn't mention anything either! Anyway, whats this got to do with the MWH list? Well, you have to talk to ghosts and keep them happy so we're calling ours Ivan after the great one who we all remember! Obvious really wasn't it? Right, Antarctica has just finished, and its now Security - well done JR Bootlegger!! I was surprised to hear a full version of Ban The Game as I always thought that it was 51 seconds long. And, as well as that, all that 'rock' stuff from a 'synth band'... marvellous. Does anybody out there know if they ever used sequencers in their shows, as I heard loads of bum notes (no complaints though!) and wonder if any of it was ever sequenced. Playing live drums over a sequencer is quite hard, the bass was played by a guy with a piece of wood and some long strings, lots of guitar and (obviously) live synths. The reason why I ask is that in '85 I went live with my band Shootersway Park and we used a Korg SQD8 (or was it a SQD1?) sequencer for most of the stuff, so they were available at the time. I know that loads of people complain when they hear computerised music, but that never stoped Vince Clarke did it? Early Depeche Mode was mostly on tape (still is as far as I know!), and people like Howard Jones rely on them totally. I saw the Human Leage at the Royal Albert Hall and they used no sequencers whatsoever - everything played live. I know that Live '83 sounds sequenced but I'm not too sure, apart from the Linn drum(?) feeding a simple pulse to an analogue pulse synth or something. I'd be interested in any news on that... Right, off to eat more turkey and annoy the neighbours. Have a great new year and a marvellous birthday - I will :-) Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ From: Mike Best Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 06:32:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: (hats) Antarctica Just read the pre-xmas email - wasn't antarctica the b-side to one of their 12" singles? Safety Dance i think it was because at the time i swopped the 7" for the 12" version and lost the track. Or was that security? i say that as my RoY DAT has some extra tracks on it, including a shorter version of antarctica which _definately_ sounds different to the freeways CD version... and it ain't just the reverb! While Clare's away the ghost and I can play! We can dance if we want... Mike PS I just went to send this email and I felt the ghost again - creepy or what? Must like reading the email before it is sent... Mike & Ivan!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of hats Digest V2 #11 ************************* To subscribe to hats Digest, send the command: subscribe hats-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-hats": subscribe hats-digest local-hats@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "hats-digest" in the commands above with "hats". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/hats/archive. These are organized by date.