From: neil sampson Subject: (klf) missing KFRONT cd-rs... Date: 01 Jun 2001 08:54:20 +0100 Hi everyone, Just a quick email to see if anyone has got in their possession a copy of either KFRONT4 or KFRONT5 - as produced by Marek. These seem to be the only ones we are missing in order to recompile the whole lot. Anyone know whether these were ever produced, and if so, what was supposed to be on them ? Any help greatly appreciated. l8rs neil (guysmiley@breathe.com) MonkeyMania in FullFX http://www.themonkeymen.co.uk ___________________________________________ It's amazing what happens when you breathe. www.breathe.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Milestighe@aol.com Subject: (klf) PT3 THE STORY SO FAR..... Date: 01 Jun 2001 04:50:10 EDT Ok, here's an update of what's happening. So far I have received cheques from; Simon Daw, Neil Sampson, Michael Hurwood, Chris Barker, Richard Haslock, Mark Weston, Olivier Dorey, Mark Turner & Graham Scales. I do not plan to cash these cheques until all payments received. Still a fair few to hear from. To help you guys in other countries I have set up a paypal account, Use my email; milestighe@aol.com, and my screen name; milestighe. If any problems, get in touch asap. I would like to get these CDR's out soon. Miles # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Culf Subject: RE: (klf) Waiting for the rights of mu Date: 01 Jun 2001 11:05:53 +0100 (BST) I'm a bit behind here, but Don remembers the story pretty well. Here is what I wrote to this list Mar 2000: Well my contact got back to me. Here's how the story goes, from the words of the owner of Echo Beach. He met Jimmy Cauty in Bristol one time (no doubt he was researching and doing deals with some dubheads for the other typical Echo Beach material), and they spoke about the Waiting video. Jimmy said that Mr Echo Beach (Nicolai) should do a video release, but he doesn't do videos -- Nicolai said he'd like to do just a CD release of the soundtrack. That's why it sounds as if it was mastered from the video - because it was. Jimmy spoke to Bill about it, but he wasn't interested in sanctioning the release on CD, so Jimmy said that Nicolai should just release it anyway, as he didn't mind it being 'out there'. So that's why it's "kindof" a bootleg. It isn't officially sanctioned by KLF Communications/Drummond, but Jimmy was happy for it to be issued (and it was almost entirely his work). None of this explains where the "Rites Of Mu" part came from... Oh yeah, and apparently there are only 1500 of the original, not 3333. Culf. On Thu, 3 May 2001, Don Gagen wrote: > As the story was told some time ago Jimmy did the majority of the work on > these 2 soundtracks. He's friends with the owner of Echo Beach. It was my > understanding that he gave the owner the go ahead to release the > soundtracks. I don't know that he got any money from it. I don't think he > cared. I don't remember seeing anything about Warner Chappel on it. > ...just Echo Beach. > > How can it be bootleg when I bought it from Virgin, Virgin only deal with > proper manufacturers not Bricky Bob and his band of merry con-merchants :D, > and also it says it was released by Warner Chappel (which is one of the > largest recording companies in the world) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Milestighe@aol.com Subject: (klf) PT3 THE STORY SO FAR # 2..... Date: 01 Jun 2001 06:21:17 EDT I should've mentioned that if anyone plans to use the paypal option, it would cost an additional $1.50 due to bank charges, I know it's convienient to use paypal, but costs a bit more sadly. If anyone else is interested in a copy of PT3, and has yet to contact me, or I have not replied to your emails, please get in touch asap. Thanks to you all, things going smoothly so far.... Miles # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Virtanen Mikko Subject: (klf) 3 am Eternal (original album version) Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:52:16 +0300 Hello people. My copy of WROST has the six minute 'pure trance original' in it, but one day I was browsing the discography again and noticed that 'original album version' should last 4:15. And now I'm confused. What is this 'original album version' of 3am? Is is something else than 'pure trance' or the shorter edit in 005R? And if so, where I could get a copy of WROST with it? .mikkov # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Culf Subject: Re: (klf) (KLF) First Contact Date: 01 Jun 2001 12:36:15 +0100 (BST) Moody Boys were, at some point, Thorpe and Cauty, especially around the time of their 1991ish mini-album and singles on XL Records. Can't remember the name of the mini-LP, but it was heavy dub style mostly. Culf. On Thu, 31 May 2001, Stuart Bruce wrote: > > The Moody Boys seems to be just one moody boy, Tony Thorpe. This is *not* > Bill and Jimmy- Tony Thorpe has done a selection of stuff in his own > right, including other Moody Boys releases, Moody Boys remixes of other > artists (including a very good one for Jesus Jones), and a compilation > album released in the US a year or two ago of deep breaks (Tipper, Si > Begg, etc.), which is also lovely. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Saint John Ridley Subject: Re: (klf) OT UK Postal Strike Date: 01 Jun 2001 18:26:53 +0100 Hello danhutchins@core.com On 31-May-01, danhutchins@core.com wrote: > According to what I heard, there was almost a postal strike in London > (not outlaying England however), but it was averted in the 11th hour. There was a postal strike for some time. It was only official at one sorting office, everywhere else 'twas unofficial but still real. Not just London was affected e.g. Cardiff was on strike too. The strike is now over, but these things always cock up the post for several weeks afterwards as they cope with the backlog. Yes this is all shitty and the ombudsman has had enough and so have I... Cheers, mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "RMStringer" Subject: (klf) FTP Site Date: 03 Jun 2001 08:47:07 -0500 I have lost the ftp address to the KLF MP3 archive. Could anyone please send me the address and the pass? Thankx, I just recently got a cable modem and I am going to run a FTP site as soon as I get configured. Thankx RMStringer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "maarten bouwes" Subject: Re: (klf) (KLF) First Contact Date: 03 Jun 2001 18:18:05 -0000 Journey Into Dubland was that mini-LP. It features 5 dub tracks. The innersleeve says: "All tracks written by the Moody Boyz (...)Produced by Thony Thorpe in association with Jimmy Cauty; Produced, recorded and mixed live at Trancentral. (...) Special thanks to Mr. and Mrs. Cauty for one weeks grace. (...) I just wonder how the screamer 12" was made. What is dub has got a KLF remix. So that means that Jimmy remixed his own work with Bill for Moody Boys :) Maarten >Moody Boys were, at some point, Thorpe and Cauty, especially around the >time of their 1991ish mini-album and singles on XL Records. Can't >remember the name of the mini-LP, but it was heavy dub style mostly. > >Culf. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vischer@access.ch Subject: (klf) Moody Boys Date: 04 Jun 2001 06:56:37 +0200 Hi there What are the Moody Boys records worth paying for? cheers.. Simon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vischer@access.ch Subject: (klf) Jimmy Cauty Date: 04 Jun 2001 07:31:21 +0200 What has Jimmy Cauty to do with "Kashmir: Symphonic Led Zeppelin" by the "London Symphony Orchestra"?? I heard he's involved in some way? cheers.. Simon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Milestighe@aol.com Subject: (klf) PT3 CDR'S..UPDATE Date: 04 Jun 2001 04:40:27 EDT In addition to the list of name I sent last week, the following have also now paid for their copies; Dan Hutchins Daniel Erlemann, Paul Gutierrez. To the remaining list members who have yet to make their payments (quite a few) please try to do so quickly, as the other members who have already paid be waiting until this is done to get their copies sent. As I stated before, all copies will be sent out together. If any of you have decided against a copy, don't sit in silence, let me know. Miles # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MarkGRTurner@cs.com Subject: (klf) KLF Orb Remix? Date: 04 Jun 2001 14:53:51 EDT Just gotten a copy of the Italian OOBE Adventures book and CD ('cos of the KLF track). In the bootleg discography it mentions: Madrugada Bandulu Spanish Castles in Dub (Shock Promo). I have never heard of this one before. Does anyone know whether this is a well known remix? Is it on an Orb remix CD/album/other? Cheers, Mark Turner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "maarten bouwes" Subject: Re: (klf) KLF Orb Remix? Date: 04 Jun 2001 21:43:57 -0000 Glad you mention this.... I dropped this question a few times before on the list but no one was able to awnser this question nor responding to the very question itself. There is this email address in the Orb discography from a guy who obviously knew where to get it. From the discography: > > KLF/Orb: Madrugada Bandalu/Spanish Castles In Dub > > [1993] bootleg remixes > > > > CS: 1993 CN (SHOCK; PROMO 001) > > Madrugada Bandalu (the orb/klf reunion) > > Spanish Castles In Dub > > [email sreese@calumet.yorku.ca] I tried to mail this person but was returned by a mailserver so it obviously doesn“t exist anymore. If anyone feels like responding.... Yours sincerely, Maarten >Just gotten a copy of the Italian OOBE Adventures book and CD ('cos of >the >KLF track). In the bootleg discography it mentions: > >Madrugada Bandulu Spanish Castles in Dub (Shock Promo). > >I have never heard of this one before. > >Does anyone know whether this is a well known remix? > >Is it on an Orb remix CD/album/other? > >Cheers, > >Mark Turner _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vischer@access.ch Subject: (klf) again: Moody Boys Date: 06 Jun 2001 03:12:23 +0200 Hi there What are the Moody Boys records worth paying for? cheers.. Simon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vischer@access.ch Subject: (klf) again: Jimmy Cauty Date: 06 Jun 2001 03:12:03 +0200 What has Jimmy Cauty to do with "Kashmir: Symphonic Led Zeppelin" by the "London Symphony Orchestra"?? I heard he's involved in some way? cheers.. Simon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: twenty three Subject: (klf) To The Extreme / BCM going for the root Date: 06 Jun 2001 03:37:58 -0700 (PDT) I was curious... I have searched... And now I'm in possession of such a "gem of music"... A record burden... "To The Bone", by "our all-beloved" Wanda Dee, the "most erotic" rap queen in the wherever, longing this days my ears to drown in a spectaculary sea of sounds. Never before was I this anxious... Time will jump back to the very start of the KLF while listening to the "voice of the KLF"... Will the sleeve give away its child? Will the record player hum? Will the needle quiver? Will I last this experince once and all? Will my mind melt or will it kill me? I will tell You tomorrow. If I survive. Best to all of You, BCM Serious statement: I'm in KLF, not Wanda. ===== y23y appears courtesy of y23y Enterprises y23y Enterprises appears courtesy of y23y __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuey and Michelle Subject: Re: (klf) To The Extreme / BCM going for the root Date: 07 Jun 2001 03:07:58 +1200 I wanna see you sweat! C'mon boy d'ya wanna ride? sit down and buckle up etc twenty three wrote: > I was curious... I have searched... And now I'm in possession of such a > "gem of music"... A record burden... "To The Bone", by "our > all-beloved" Wanda Dee, the "most erotic" rap queen in the wherever, -- Stuart Young and Michelle Ardern, say.map@ihug.co.nz 66a Sackville Street, Tel: +64 (0)9 376 8100 Grey Lynn, Auckland, NZ Stuey is webmaster of the New Zealand Green Party: http://www.greens.org.nz/ And webmaster of his own personal website too: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~stuey/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Milestighe@aol.com Subject: (klf) PURE TRANCE 3 - DEBATE NEEDED Date: 06 Jun 2001 18:34:15 EDT I expect you are all bored with receiving mail about this subject, and to be honest I'm a little tired of hearing about this record too, but I think we need to have a discussion regarding the state of play with the CDR's. Initially a large total of you expressed an interest in receiving a copy of the CDR, I sent out the price list, and got a good 47 positive replies asking for a copy. The money started to arrive, a total of 10 sent cheques, 2 used paypal, 1 sent cash. So to date that's 13 out of 47. Each day since the initial interest I have recieved emails with members changing their minds, and deciding not to go ahead. This in itself is fine, there are no guns being pointed to anyone's head to make you buy. And it causes no bad feeling from me. I don't know how many other payments if any are expected, the dillema is what to do now? I am concerned, not for myself, but for those who have paid. Do I send out the 13 CDR's or do I return the money paid to me? I am concerned that some other list members may be sitting back waiting for the MP3 to appear (which I know will happen) Meaning 13 people have paid for the other list members, and the rest of the MP3 universe to benefit from. I am in no way looking to back out of doing what I had promised, quite the opposite, but would like to know your thoughts, especially from those who have paid. Are you concerned too? I have no answers, possible solution would be for me to return the money, find a volunteer and send a CD copy to them, and get the track uploaded by them. The tracks would be complete, perhaps a few added effects such as subtle bursts of reverb or phasing. Not forgetting I don't want this baby bootlegged, I need to protect my investment in some way, and if selling copies isn't an option, this is the next best thing. The only problem with the above is MP3 quality, not quite as crystal as a CD recording. I'm looking for guidance, seems Love Trance is bigger than I am. I am looking for mature debate, not an all out attack of my moral values, I want what is best,and would like to know what you think, I will go with the majority whatever the decision. And another thing................... Some of you may have heard a track I have done called THE TRINITY, some of you were sent CDR's of this for feedback. I am trying to get this promo'd just now, and am going through the motions of sample clearance. The track has a mid section which is taken from the string section of LAST TRAIN TO TRANCENTRAL/CHILLOUT. It has actually been re-played and is not a sample, but the KLF still own the mechanical rights to the piece of music. I spoken to both Jimmy's and Bill's record labels, and have had to send copies of the track to them (BMG and WARNER-CHAPPEL) to get their permission to use the string section. I remember this piece of music caused debate a while back, speculating whether it was sampled by the KLF or not, I can tell you from an infalible source (both record labels concerned) that the string section was WRITTEN by the KLF, and royalties from any sales are due to Bill and Jimmy. If they had sampled it, they could not stake any claims to any money we might make. So there you have a definative answer, the KLF did not sample it, it's an original piece of music written by them. I should have a letter from the labels and the MCPS soon to confirm whether we've been successful, or as I expect, been stopped by the mighty KLF machine!! Miles # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Kuta" Subject: Re: (klf) PURE TRANCE 3 - DEBATE NEEDED Date: 07 Jun 2001 09:37:17 +0200 Hey Miles, wow, I read your mail and noticed that I was the only person sending cash... :) Back to the subject: I'm a bit concerned, too, but I think you really shouldn't send the money back to those people who paid. I personally HATE mp3s and have an audio burner here myself. I'm a record collector and that's why I'd really love to have an original copy from the original source. It's as simple as that. Of course, all these dumbheads are waiting out there for the mp3 to appear. And I'll hate the person that encodes the track but I suppose you should give the people (who actually are willing to pay for it) the chance to get it in the end. If you sent back the money to me I'd probably send another email to you begging for a copy as I'll never download the mp3! So please don't make it too complicated for us "payers", okay? :) Just forget these mp3-infected idiots. There already IS a copy of Love Trance in mp3 format out there and in some time noone will yet know if the file he finds is your copy or the other - No need to bother, eh? So please don't send the money back. Just my opinion. Thanks, Daniel --- DJ Kuta, KLF Online (www.klf.de) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: neil sampson Subject: Re: (klf) PURE TRANCE 3 - DEBATE NEEDED Date: 07 Jun 2001 09:00:37 +0100 Hi Miles (& list) just my tuppence worth, i have no intention of mp3-ing anything at all, can't be doing with all that new-fangled malarke, plus i haven't got the software to and besides, i fully appreciate why you want to keep this special. i've sent the cheque, so i'll go with whatever you decide, it's your vinyl at the end of the day. the sample issue about LTTT - i think i always assumed the klf sampled, or at least replayed the string intro to the 'The Theme From Big Country' (or something similar to that), an old western theme tune. I must say, it sounds *very* similar. Good luck on your new track tho, when will it be released & what's it like ? cheerio neil MonkeyMania in FullFX http://www.themonkeymen.co.uk ___________________________________________ It's amazing what happens when you breathe. www.breathe.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: twenty three Subject: (klf) To The Extreme / BCM back from the root (first dive) Date: 07 Jun 2001 05:10:58 -0700 (PDT) I am alive. What a record! What a content! Blast! Tora! Tora! Tora! I am... down and out. The KLF did a great job by sampling just "Come on boy, d'ya wanna ride" and "I wanna see you sweat" - that's the only remarkable and worthy of Wanda Dee's "erotic" (not barely lewd, but profane) record. Take some of this well know house drum loops, add a straigt and clumsy bass line, put some percussions here and there, press a not so fancy saxophone thru plus some humans "oh", "ah", "baby" and alike... Voila! You got: "To The Bone". Oh yes, someone forgot to mute the voice part of Wanda, so imagine that, too. (For best results ask Your little niece or nephew to recite some childrens poems - that's the style.) All in all: nothing even to mention as great art or upcoming artist or so. The KLF took the samples from the third, unlisted piece of "To The Bone" - the vocals track. And I understand Jimmy and Bill: this track calls for sampling. Just as I had done it instead. Conclusion: "To The Bone" is real crap, bullshit, anti-music at it's best. J&B did the job (I pity them both to the waste of time due to copyright claims and legal mailing) to sample it: otherwise none ever heard of this "most erotic" Wanda. Long live the KLF! Best wishes to all of You, BCMeier Germany P.S.: I file that record under b... goes bin, barp, bullshit. ===== y23y appears courtesy of y23y Enterprises y23y Enterprises appears courtesy of y23y __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ford Timelord Subject: (klf) Kompetition down Date: 07 Jun 2001 15:51:43 +0200 Hello, just wanna say, that Kompetition (http://www.klf.exit.de) is down temporarily and will be up within the next days with a new remix. Over and Out Ford # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Milestighe@aol.com Subject: (klf) PURE TRANCE 3 - DECISION MADE Date: 07 Jun 2001 10:59:32 EDT Thanks to all that emailed with their suggestions, the decision is to continue as planned, the CDR's will be produced, but to those who expressed an interest and have not yet sent payment, can you please do so by 21/06/01 (or at least mailed me with your intentions by this date) I do not need to hear from the members who have already cancelled their copy This way the ones who have already paid know how long they have to wait before CD's get sent, and others get the chance to get payment in. This decision is based on the emails I had received, so to all those that love to have a go at me for the fun of it, go moan at someone else. Also while we're on the subject, to the few that mailed me and lectured me on bootlegging, let me make this clear; 1) whether selling or giving away copies, the crime is the same. But it's funny that you only come at me with this little nugget because I am charging for a copy, if they were free I wonder if i'd have got picked on in this way? 2) only preach to me about bootlegging if you are not guilty of ever downloading any MP3 files, making CDR copies, or recording onto cassette something that you don't own the exclusive rights to. The arguments are a waste of time, and no amount of shitty emails are going to bully me in any way. Point made. Miles # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Coward" Subject: RE: (klf) PURE TRANCE 3 - DECISION MADE Date: 07 Jun 2001 18:58:55 +0100 > 1) whether selling or giving away copies, the crime is the same. It's a point of view. If you were robbing Bill and Jimmy by giving away copies and thereby preventing legitimate sales of their own product, then ... maybe - after all, that's the usual anti-Napster argument. But that's not the case here. The situation is paralled, really, by the JAMS releases of "All You Need Is Love". B & J could get away with the original AYNIL record with the real samples on it because it was a mainly not-for-sale white label. When it came to selling copies in any quantity, it was a different kettle of fish and the "samples" had to be remade. I posted something to the list last night, following your original post, but it doesn't seem to have got there. I won't re-iterate it all, as some is made redundant by your post today, but I will just include one paragraph: :: I have to say, Miles, that I'm a little puzzled by some of your points. :: The main one is this: you have apparently recorded a track called :: "The Trinity" which covers (not even samples, as you say it was re-played) :: the string riff from LTTT, and you are seeking Jimmy's and Bill's OK on :: this. That's very laudable. But at the same time you are discussing pirating :: wholesale another record of theirs with no suggestion that this should be :: referred to them for clearance. Your choice. But it strikes me as a bit bizarre. > But it's > funny that you only come at me with this little nugget because I > am charging > for a copy, if they were free I wonder if I'd have got picked on > in this way? I don't think anyone would expect them for free - that would you mean you were paying for our privilege to own a copy. It's not the charging aspect so much as the amount of charge, I think. Last year, I offered four 70+ minute CDs to list members. They were copies of CDs previously offered by a (former?) list member who had done a bunk with some folks money (mine included). There were some very rare things on those CDs, including, I think, one of the two sides of the Love Trance 12". I charged eight pounds for the four discs including postage within the UK. A bit more for people abroad. Although branded data CDs were a lot more expensive then than they are now, but if all four CDs copied first time, I made a small profit on each set. No-one whinged at all. Simon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: RE: (klf) PURE TRANCE 3 - DECISION MADE Date: 07 Jun 2001 18:10:52 >>1) whether selling or giving away copies, the crime is the same. >It's a point of view.  No, it's not a point of view. If something is a crime it is illeagal regardless of ones point of view. However legality is not the same as morality... If he gives it away he is either a nice guy, or a sucker. If he charges for it he's just a wanking....never mind. I don't want to get kicked off the list. B&J never recovered a dime off this realase, so why should you Miles? Your margine in each CD (more than GBP per copy as I see it) is larger than what you would make if you actually managed to sell a mainsream full leanth album of your own creation. Have you given up our recording career in hopes you can make more money brokering other people's music. Chad Gombosi Member SCP www.scponline.net Chad's Game Music Page www.chadsgamemusic.com MP3.com page: www.mp3.com/signofzeta "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Coward" Subject: RE: (klf) PURE TRANCE 3 - DECISION MADE Date: 07 Jun 2001 20:30:37 +0100 >>>1) whether selling or giving away copies, the crime is the >>> same. > > >It's a point of view.  > No, it's not a point of view. If something is a crime it is illeagal > regardless of ones point of view. Assuming that you meant "if it is illegal", then yes something is a crime if it is illegal. But read Miles' and my words again. Miles said "the crime is the same". I said "It's a point of view." I didn't say it was a point of view WHETHER one was a crime or not, did I? I said it's a point of view whether selling copies for profit or giving copies away is THE SAME crime. Simon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "D Cabrera" Subject: Re: (klf) PURE TRANCE 3 - DECISION MADE Date: 07 Jun 2001 15:51:44 -0400 I'm sorry, but this is just a bit ridiculous. Why are you people (and you know who you are) wasting your breath criticizing this man? Are you trying to accomplish anything? If it's to try and crowd my inbox with incessant arguments about why Miles can't do what he's doing (which is obviously untrue, since he's doing it), then mission accomplished. I've received more tripe from you few people who are so concerned about what Miles chooses to do with his thousand dollarcatch. I guess I question whether or not you have lives outside of this list. Ok, you don't want to pay for a copy, so don't. There doesn't seem to be much to debate about that. Yet you're not satisfied with just being the frumpy ones. You have to let us ALL know exactly how outraged you are. And you've done just that. Over and over and over and over again. Stop repeating yourselves please. It's getting old and my inbox is getting full. Your hot-air arguments are recycled and overused, and though Outlook tells me I have 3 new messages, I realize that the ones you've sent me are not new; just rehashes of old arguments you've come up with because misery loves company. Well go have your pity party elsewhere. People are obviously willing to pay for these CDs so what's your beef? I've learned that if there's a situation you can't control, there's no point complaining about it. If you do it tastefully, you'll entertain those around you. If you do it untastefully (or repetitively as is the case here) you just annoy people. So if your goals were to incessantly tell us the same things over and over again, filling our inbox with the same arguments we've heard many times before, and in the process annoy us with your repetitive antics, congratualtions. Mission accomplished. I'm sure there's a large sense of satisfaction and accomplishment that comes with such an achievement. Please, can someone get these lads a medal of honor or something? They've done us all such a great favor. Bravo. Tired of redundant people, Daniel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (klf) PURE TRANCE 3 - DECISION MADE Date: 07 Jun 2001 13:03:15 -0700 D Cabrera wrote: > Tired of redundant people, And your email is somehow not redundant? Oh, the irony! :P And Miles is the one who brought this back up. The issue had died down. He could easily have just emailed the people involved privately, but he chose to send it to the whole list. It shouldn't be too shocking that people respond. Chris (glad Miles finally admitted that he's trying to recover his expenditure, but I'm still not sending him money, as he's still just a bit too shifty for my taste and comfort) (and also glad that there are people like Simon and Stuart out there) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stuart.bruce@aardman.com (Stuart Bruce) Subject: Re: (klf) PURE TRANCE 3 - DEBATE NEEDED Date: 08 Jun 2001 09:12:04 +0100 Milestighe@aol.com writes: > >I expect you are all bored with receiving mail about this subject, and to >be >honest I'm a little tired of hearing about this record too, but I think >we >need to have a discussion regarding the state of play with the CDR's. You sound like a counsellor with that last remark... . Funny though that, although I deleted the e-mail long ago so can't quote you word for word, you were furious and very blunt about the fact the discussion of these CD-Rs a week or so ago when you were being criticised and had no further defence. But when you have something to add, suddenly it's OK to start up the debate again, and then watch other people getting attacked for criticising you again. Hum de hum. > >Initially a large total of you expressed an interest in receiving a copy >of >the CDR, I sent out the price list, and got a good 47 positive replies >asking >for a copy. Have you discounted people who expressed an interest, *then* got the e-mail stating how much money you wanted for them, and changed their minds? In case you haven't already guessed I won't be sending you any money. > >I don't know how many other payments if any are expected, the dillema is >what >to do now? I am concerned, not for myself, but for those who have paid. >Do I >send out the 13 CDR's or do I return the money paid to me? I am concerned >that some other list members may be sitting back waiting for the MP3 to >appear (which I know will happen) Meaning 13 people have paid for the >other >list members, and the rest of the MP3 universe to benefit from. Why not just send the CD-Rs to the people who've paid you, and then let them do with it as they choose. You can't mother every single person that you send a copy to into "behaving" just by asking them nicely not to make any copies for anybody else. The people who are waiting for MP3 copies are, in my opinion, very unlikely to suddenly be swayed into sending you a tenner because they discover there might be a few extra days delay in the appearance of an MP3. > >Are you concerned too? No, I'm not concerned. But then, this isn't a business venture for me. > >I have no answers, possible solution would be for me to return the >money, >find a volunteer and send a CD copy to them, and get the track uploaded >by >them. The tracks would be complete, perhaps a few added effects such as >subtle bursts of reverb or phasing. Not forgetting I don't want this baby >bootlegged, I need to protect my investment in some way, and if selling >copies isn't an option, this is the next best thing. If you don't want the thing bootlegged, then why are you bootlegging it yourself? In "protecting your investment" you're trying to have your cake and eat it- you're trying to prevent the unwashed masses who don't pay from receiving the music ('cos there's no profit for you in it) but you're also trying to squeeze money out of the 'washed' masses *for* receiving the music ('cos there's profit for you in that). You seem to be trying to draw a neat dividing line between the 'deserving' ones who pay and the 'undeserving' ones who don't, and that's not going to work. Record companies have been trying that for years but bootlegging still happens on a massive scale. You're wasting your own time, and other people's, by trying to acheive this. If you're really so concerned about the sanctity of the whole thing, then lock the 12" away in a safe, put it in a bank vault, write a will stating that only your great-great-grandchildren will ever be allowed access to it, then go and live in a cave and avoid contact with any human beings. By which I mean, once something is "out there", it's out there. You can't control how much any piece of music is distributed once you've passed a single copy on- whether it's a bootleg of a rare 12", or a promo of a new album or single, or a piece of music you've written yourself, you can't stop whoever receives it from *possibly* passing it on. So I think you're being very naive to try. > >The only problem with the above is MP3 quality, not quite as crystal as a >CD >recording. I'm looking for guidance, seems Love Trance is bigger than I >am. A good-quality MP3 of the uneffected 12" would be good enough for a lot of people, even though at extremely close listening it might be short of CD quality. Alternatively, take the WAV files of the tracks and put them into ZIP files- the resulting file will be a little bit bigger than an MP3 and won't be able to be played whilst compressed, but all the sound quality of the CD-quality recording will be retained. Easy. Stuart. > -- Stuart Bruce stuart.bruce@aardman.com tel ext 4269 Get fired! Waste all day at: http://www.angrykid.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stuart.bruce@aardman.com (Stuart Bruce) Subject: Re(2): (klf) PURE TRANCE 3 - DEBATE NEEDED Date: 08 Jun 2001 12:19:49 +0100 Milestighe@aol.com writes: >ok, I accept the points made, I have little choice. > >I cannot afford to give copies away, so it's not an option. There's a quite large gap between giving something away and asking for at least five times the cost price for it... > >I am not a wanker as was suggested in an email yesterday I never called you a wanker. As I've said before, dropping into personal insults undermines an argument. I hope you realise that this isn't personal. > >I do not want to alienate myself from the list, but that has already >happened. > >Can I win? No, even if I changed my mind and gave copies away I'd be >branded >a liar. Why would that mean you were a liar? The "liar" comment stemmed from the fact that one day you said that the cost of the CD-Rs was increased because they included inlays, the next day you said that if you didn't include inlays the cost of the CD-Rs would be the same. This I felt was indicative of the fact that your price system was based on a nice round figure you'd chosen out of thin air, and you were pretending that it was the result of adding up some sums, which didn't stand up to any scrutiny at all. > I agree 100% with a comment that at least two people have already made on the list. If your asking price had been more reasonable-sounding- either lower, or more openly explained- then there wouldn't have been nearly as much fuss. I'm afraid that in this sense you brought it upon yourself, and your incomplete and sometimes irate responses to the comments just made things worse. If you were willing to do these CD-Rs for the money that they cost to make, plus a fair amount extra (a pound or two- not eight) for your troubles, weren't worried about the so-called "threat" of MP3s since that's just another facet of sharing the music (which is what you're doing), then I think this list would hail you as a good bloke who is open, friendly, honest and shares his sweets in the playground. Anything *other* than that response to you is something you've brought upon yourself. Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce stuart.bruce@aardman.com tel ext 4269 Get fired! Waste all day at: http://www.angrykid.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "PHILIP WARD" <97146999@luton.ac.uk> Subject: (klf) Love trance....Boring!!!!! Date: 08 Jun 2001 12:22:59 +0100 look dickhead, just make a frigging mp3 of the goddam thing, i dont give a shit how much it cost you ($1400.....snigger) its gonna get done eventually. In saying that, if you're ever short of cash i'll probably take it off yer hands for $20, if I can be bothered listening to KLF anymore, or most of the drivel that passes for discussion on the list these days! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Milestighe@aol.com Subject: R.e (klf) Love trance....Boring!!!!! Date: 08 Jun 2001 07:34:07 EDT In a message dated 08/06/01 11:25:23 GMT, 97146999@luton.ac.uk writes: << look dickhead, just make a frigging mp3 of the goddam thing, i dont give a shit how much it cost you ($1400.....snigger) its gonna get done eventually. In saying that, if you're ever short of cash i'll probably take it off yer hands for $20, if I can be bothered listening to KLF anymore, or most of the drivel that passes for discussion on the list these days! >> Personal insults are not called for, enough is enough. I don't want to read this pointless piss-taking anymore. Leaving list Over and out. Miles # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Coward" Subject: RE: (klf) PURE TRANCE 3 - DEBATE NEEDED Date: 07 Jun 2001 01:16:23 +0100 Debate needed. OK, I'll try to start the ball rolling. Firstly, to those who won't know (most of you) let me own up. I'm one who has already contacted Miles to say I won't be participating after all. On with it: I have to say, Miles, that I'm a little puzzled by some of your points. The main one is this: you have apparently recorded a track called "The Trinity" which covers (not samples, as you say it was re-played) the string riff from LTTT, and you are seeking Jimmy's and Bill's OK on this. That's very laudable. But at the same time you are discussing pirating wholesale another record of theirs with no suggestion that this should be referred to them for clearance. Your choice. But it strikes me as a bit bizarre. It has been suggested, on this list, that B &J are content for non-profit swapping between fans to take place, but they take a dim view of for-profit piracy. I wonder if your stance is wise. > Do I > send out the 13 CDR's or do I return the money paid to me? Given that the people who've used PayPal will have paid a fair percentage of the total as a charge, I think it would be rather mean to return their money. My view. > I am concerned > that some other list members may be sitting back waiting for the MP3 to > appear (which I know will happen) Meaning 13 people have paid for > the other > list members, and the rest of the MP3 universe to benefit from. But that's the case with 99% of the rarer KLF releases. Most people on this list who have WTIL (Acid) or J&A (Anti Acapella) (etc. and for instance) in one form or another don't have a legitimate 12" copy - they've got a "bootleg" CD or MP3. What's wrong with that? Surely this is the dilemma of anyone who makes a record - once it's sold to one person, they could MP3 it and every other potential buyer could get a copy that way. So what? If you feel you are justified in selling copies of someone elses copyright material, why do you have such a beef over someone making their copy available? If they've paid money for a copy, surely they have as much right to do what they want with it as you do with yours. > Not forgetting I don't want this baby > bootlegged Why not? You've already said you're not trying to make money from it to recoup your outlay. I've had MP3s of both sides for some while, so while the record itself is obviously highly sought after [I tried and I failed], the MP3s are a different kettle of fish altogether. The only person who would pay the kind of money you paid is a true collector and a true collector would always rather have the real thing than a CD or MP3 copy. No one who would be just satisfied with an MP3 copy would pay $1300+ for a record. Consider that six people bid more than $100 for the disc, but jsut over twice that are all that seem to want to pay ?10. >I need to protect my investment in some way, and if selling > copies isn't an option, this is the next best thing. If a record is great, the best way to protect its investment is to make people know that it's great. And I know of no infallible way apart from letting them hear it and judge for themselves. If it's not great, then keeping it quiet is perhaps the best way. There will always be a must-have collector who would buy it. Your record. Your call. Sledghammer time: To get another idea where I'm coming from, I'll finish with this. You can believe it or not. Some while ago I was talking with a friend, who is a record dealer and also KLF fan, about Love Trance. This was a while before the copy you bought came on the market. We discussed what might happen if one of the other copies was sold, either the Aussie one, or the one in Norfolk. "How much would you pay?" I was asked. "I don't know," I said, "?500 maybe, perhaps a bit more." [I ain't _that_ rich that I could afford ?1000ish]. "What would you do with it?" my friend said - well, he is a dealer - eye for the market and all that. "I'd put a copy on the internet the next day," was my reply. "Yes," my friend said, seeing my (and perhaps his :-) potential earnings vanishing, "you would, wouldn't you!" And I would have done, too. And I truly, honestly, think that's what you should do. The physical disc is yours to do with as you please. Its contents are not yours to sell. Simon. P.S. Assuming I've picked the right bit, the string bit from LTTT is used in SFX's "Lemmings" single with no credit for B or J. As SFX were (mainly) Ian Richardson and Nick Coler, I wonder whether it was really NC and not B or J who wrote it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Torsten Pattberg" Subject: Re: (klf) PURE TRANCE 3 - DEBATE NEEDED Date: 08 Jun 2001 13:45:58 +0200 > Debate needed. OK, I'll try to start the ball rolling. Blablabla. I don't understand why this discussion is running. Please just let everything go... -- Torsten Pattberg www.klf.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "PHILIP WARD" <97146999@luton.ac.uk> Subject: RE: (klf) Love trance....Boring!!!!! Date: 08 Jun 2001 12:59:22 +0100 Subject: RE: (klf) PURE TRANCE 3 - DEBATE NEEDED Date: 08 Jun 2001 13:57:52 +0200 I would also make clear that i have backed out, and will not be sending any money to Miles. I find his attitude to be selfish and completely not in the genral spirit of this list, where we have, to my knowledge, always shared and helped one another out. At least at a reasonable cost. What Miles is asking for those CDRs is not justifiable. He is out to recupe some money on what he spent on the LP, and thats fine. He was not honest about it, and that bothers me. Miles, if you're still reading this, make a bloody mp3 of it and send it to whomever wants it. Or did you buy that LP as an investment, if so you should say so. Either way, your position is not clear, and it seems to be you are trying to play on two sides at once. Cheers Xav # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "RMStringer" Subject: (klf) Pissing contest :-) Date: 08 Jun 2001 07:42:42 -0500 This is what it sounds like to me...A bunch of brats being selfish. But, this is just my opinion. I am sharing all of my KLF files with a new member through ICQ. I am not asking any money, just a trade at a later time. IF "yall" get this all straightened out, I will donate space on my comp to hold KLF materials soon as I get my FTP going. Laterz RMStringer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stuart.bruce@aardman.com (Stuart Bruce) Subject: Re: (klf) Love trance....Boring!!!!! Date: 08 Jun 2001 14:03:16 +0100 97146999@luton.ac.uk writes: >look dickhead, just make a frigging mp3 of the goddam thing, i dont >give a shit how much it cost you ($1400.....snigger) its gonna get >done eventually. You know how, in some wars, soldiers could shoot members of their own side when they get hysterical and become more dangerous to their allies than their enemies? I wish that was possible on this list. Here's me trying to reason out a debate about this whole thing and it's a petty squabble. I'm not going to stop making comments on the CD-R business if I've got something new to add, but I'm not going to start calling names and behaving like this is some playground squabble. Stuart. > -- Stuart Bruce stuart.bruce@aardman.com tel ext 4269 Get fired! Waste all day at: http://www.angrykid.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "PHILIP WARD" <97146999@luton.ac.uk> Subject: (klf) love trance,whatever! Date: 08 Jun 2001 17:37:19 +0100 I am just telling it as it is, most of you, or sorry some of you, sorry, just me obviously, can see that this nutter is ripping you off for a laugh, he has what you want, so he has got you by the....... Several of you have been ripped off many times on the list, when are you gonna learn! I am just bored of the constant barrage of mails, particularly from the seller, going on and on. I don't remember seeing this e-mail sent to the list.... hey guys, i got pure trance 3, if you want a copy mail me off-list and we''l discuss it, if not cool! bye for now. Instead i get 25,000 e-mails on every aspect of the damn thing every day. look dude, just answer me these questions three? 1.Is it any good? 2.How does it compare with other material, in particular PT1 & PT2? 3.What you gonna do If (& when) it is exposed as a fake, remove it from the discography, refund anyone daft enough to buy it off you, try and get your $1400 back? Thats what i wanna know, not your life story every two days? And no, you have not left the list, you are, i assume, human, i which case you would never be able to resist tuning in to see what we're all sayin about ya! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Bruce Subject: Re: (klf) love trance,whatever! Date: 08 Jun 2001 18:25:53 +0100 (BST) On Fri 08 Jun, PHILIP WARD wrote: > > I am just telling it as it is, most of you, or sorry some of you, > sorry, just me obviously, can see that this nutter is ripping you off > for a laugh, he has what you want, so he has got you by the....... I think comparisons between the Miles' PT3 CDR debate and previous list 'incidents' (Mike Dutton, Marek and Marshall) are a bit unfair, even if all their names do begin with "M".* Marshall delivered, but many many months late. Mike Dutton has delivered occasionally but apparently has left a lot of people ripped off. I don't know anything about the Marek debate apart from the fact that there are 'issues'. But each of those is with *delivery*. The debate about Miles' CDR isn't about delivery- as yet we have no reason to believe why he won't deliver the CDRs (although the first people who sent cheques, who are now waiting, might be getting a bit impatient). The problem here is before the sale, not after. * ("M" is the 13th letter of the alphabet and Miles is asking 10ukp for each CDR- which makes 23! Completely meaningless coincidence? Yes.) > I am just bored of the constant barrage of mails, particularly from > the seller, going on and on. Why did you send the e-mail I'm replying to now then? You should have realised by now that e-mails that take the form...: "everybody on side X and side Y should shut the hell up 'cos it's boring and nobody cares. but side X is right and side Y are all wankers with no social life and small penises, but that's the final word on it because I'm best and what I say is always right so shut up. goodbye." ...don't shut people up. A short e-mail saying "please cut down the arguments about this CDR" would have a lot more credance than your most recent e-mail. Although, since this is a KLF-related matter and this is a KLF-related discussion list, telling people to stop talking about it is a bit presumptuous in the first place. > Thats what i wanna know, not your life story every two days? That's not fair either. Most (all?) of what Miles has said, no matter how short or angry or whatever, has been about these CDRs. > And no, you have not left the list, you are, i assume, human, i which > case you would never be able to resist tuning in to see what we're all > sayin about ya! Another presumption, though possibly a valid one this time. Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://groups.yahoo.com/group/utahsaints/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Coward" Subject: RE: (klf) PURE TRANCE 3 - DEBATE NEEDED Date: 08 Jun 2001 18:34:06 +0100 > Debate needed. OK, I'll try to start the ball rolling. > > Firstly, to those who won't know (most of you) let me own up. I'm one who Don't know why this posting suddenly arrived. It was the one I referred to in a previous email - I sent it at around 1am (BST) on the 7th - why it took a day-and-a-half to get to the list I don't know. Best to ignore it. Oh, sorry, you have. Simon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "RMStringer" Subject: (klf) MP3 Archives Date: 08 Jun 2001 14:25:51 -0500 I have all the KLF videos on 3 disks and I also have MP3 archive disks 1 and 2. I am putting them on my FTP now and I will have them, there for a while. Please contact me via ICQ(101740986) if you have any other MP3s to trade me of the likes. Requards. RMStringer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ford Timelord Subject: (klf) Kompetition is online again Date: 08 Jun 2001 22:56:37 +0200 Hi, The Kompetition site (http://www.klf.exit.de) is online again. The new remix of Jboy is now downloadable. I've put new rare records to my shopping site, so watch it and buy some if you're interested. Over and Out Ford # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) PURE TRANCE 3 - DEBATE NEEDED Date: 08 Jun 2001 22:47:14 The tracks would be complete, perhaps a few added effects such as > >subtle bursts of reverb or phasing. Not forgetting I don't want this baby > >bootlegged, I need to protect my investment in some way, and if selling > >copies isn't an option, this is the next best thing. OH MY GOD! I can't believe you just wrote that load of CRAP. "Please don't bootleg my bootleg!" What a joke. I guess you, and only you are entitled to what are effectively royalties to this track, someone else work? Why the hell should the buck stop there? At least the MP3 junkies aren't trying to pay off their ISP bill with some stupid pay-to-enter FTP site or something. You aren't "protecting your investment", because you didn't "invest" anything. You blew an insane amount of money than you don't even have on a record you can't afford and you are trying to dig yourself out of the finalcial hole you are now in by scalping duplicates. If you want to "invest" try a bank. This is disgusting. I feal that the few people who were supporting Miles' business strategy may just be dwindling in numbers...but then after this rather rude dialogue I'm engaged in now, then same may be true for me... OK, I'll make you a deal. If you make your bootlegs and charge whatever you want for them (no more than $9 US though please, anything more is just sad) and you take all the money that you didn't spend on CD-R media and cases (no 4 color proccess printing thank you) and send it all to B&J directly (better use a third party courier, I don't trust you) then I *promise* I will buy five copies myself, effectively making this a semi-official KLF release. Oh isn't Miles nice for offering this "service" to us? No, because he's clearly only doing it for the money. Chad Gombosi Member SCP www.scponline.net Chad's Game Music Page www.chadsgamemusic.com MP3.com page: www.mp3.com/signofzeta "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 01:49:29 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 01:50:13 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? 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# Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:03:31 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:03:42 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:03:55 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:04:08 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:04:20 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:04:32 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:04:45 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:04:59 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:05:11 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremiah Rickert Subject: Re: (klf) End the debate Date: 08 Jun 2001 23:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Stop sending those moron. I've seen people booted from the list for less. jr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:05:24 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:05:37 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:05:51 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:06:06 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:06:17 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:06:30 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:06:48 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:07:00 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:07:14 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:07:26 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:07:39 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:07:54 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:08:05 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:08:17 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:10:09 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:10:23 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:10:40 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:10:52 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:11:08 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:11:20 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:11:37 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:11:49 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:12:01 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:12:16 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:12:29 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:12:41 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:12:53 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:13:06 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:13:18 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:13:31 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:13:43 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:13:54 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:14:05 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:14:17 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:14:34 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:14:48 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:15:11 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:14:59 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:15:23 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:15:35 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:15:47 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:16:18 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:16:44 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:16:31 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:17:00 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:17:15 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:17:27 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:17:40 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:17:54 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:18:06 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:18:20 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? 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# Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:26:25 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:25:59 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:26:37 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:25:47 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:27:03 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:22:45 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:24:52 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:27:15 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:27:27 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:27:51 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:27:40 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:28:04 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:28:28 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:28:40 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:28:53 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:29:06 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:28:17 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:26:12 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:29:23 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:29:38 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:29:49 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 02:26:49 -0400 (EDT) End the debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Earnshaw Subject: (klf) Over and out Date: 09 Jun 2001 08:44:42 +0100 I had enough with the childish flame war that has been going on for the last few weeks. Personally I wish that PT3 had never been "discoverd" - we might still be having intellegent discussions on this list. The list has had problems before, such as a couple of months ago when it was fading away, hower it was sucessfully rescued by a number of people who cared about it, but given that those very people are resopnsible for the sorry state at the moment I can't see it improving. I might check back in a couple of months to see if it's returned to any type of sensible discussion - but I have my fears. It's a shame. Think about your actions on a larger scale, one little issue has just about destroyed this list. Over and out. Craig! /unsubscribe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ford Timelord Subject: Re: (klf) Over and out Date: 09 Jun 2001 10:13:07 +0200 At 08:44 09.06.01 +0100, you wrote: >I had enough with the childish flame war that has been going on for the >last few weeks. Me too! >Personally I wish that PT3 had never been "discoverd" - we might still >be having intellegent discussions on this list. If I had been the one that had bought PT3 on ebay, i had never told this to the list. As i would never told anybody when i win 10 million bucks on a lotterie. Sorry Miles, but I think Craig is right, your thread gave the list the death stroke..... > The list has had >problems before, such as a couple of months ago when it was fading away, >hower it was sucessfully rescued by a number of people who cared about >it, but given that those very people are resopnsible for the sorry state >at the moment I can't see it improving. We (those people who cared about the list) didn't want something like this, but this state showed the truth about the people on this list [who's a beggar (of mp3s and informations) and who's not]. >I might check back in a couple of months to see if it's returned to any >type of sensible discussion - but I have my fears. Me too, so i'm probably leaving this list forever.... >It's a shame. Think about your actions on a larger scale, one little >issue has just about destroyed this list. Those who want contact me can do this still over http://www.klf.exit.de or my emailaddress. >Over and out. That's what I want to say, too Ford Timelord furthermore know as Basskatze or just Steffen Bye !!!!!! Need help leaving this mailing list? !!!!!! Send the command "unsubscribe" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Kuta" Subject: (klf) Just imagine... Date: 09 Jun 2001 13:30:02 +0200 Just want to get EVERYONE imagine sth: think of Bill and Jimmy and try to guess what they would think about all this flaming going on here. Thought about it? Yes. They'd laugh. So do I. Personal contact from now on appreciated. No further actions will be taken for the next 23 days. At least. Go and find your brains again. If there are some. Dan --- DJ Kuta, KLF Online (www.klf.de) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Agust A J Subject: Re: (klf) End the debate Date: 09 Jun 2001 14:35:27 +0000 At 23:05 8.6.2001 -0700, you wrote: >Stop sending those moron. >I've seen people booted from the list for less. heck, I've seen ppl booted from their ISPs for less. someone please report him as a spammer & abuser. --- Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nem1.cjb.net free your :) [tm] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TRACYANDI@aol.com Subject: (klf) Ok , just to change the subject Date: 09 Jun 2001 11:20:23 EDT Bought a great album today , the Avalanches 'Since I left you' , ok not exactly KLF related, but , the album is mostly made up of over 900 samples , sort of reminded me of the jams 1987 album , but taken to the extreme, and the new single 'Frontier Psychiatrist' is truely brilliant use of samples, you have got to hear it to believe it! H # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "c-Row" Subject: Re: (klf) Ok , just to change the subject Date: 09 Jun 2001 17:34:58 +0200 Is there something like a short list of some samples they used ? Maybe some popular artists ? cy@ c-Row # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Derek Knight" Subject: RE: (klf) Ok , just to change the subject Date: 09 Jun 2001 18:10:36 +0100 > Is there something like a short list of some samples they used ? > Maybe some popular artists ? Well, they're the first artists ever who were given permission to use a sample of Madonna. They use the bassline from 'Holiday' to great effect. To be honest, they're more about creating different soundscapes from samples, in a DJ Shadow style, rather than deliberately using blatant samples for effect like the KLF. Nonetheless, it's excellent stuff. Del Derek Knight djnite@klf-communications.com http://www.djnite.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Subject: Re: (klf) Ok , just to change the subject Date: 09 Jun 2001 18:39:49 +0100 TRACYANDI@aol.com writes >Bought a great album today That reminds me... Anyone heard this notorious sampling selection yet? Available from the recent Rough Trade catalogue: plunderphonics               69 plunderphonics 96     cd     25.99  five dozen tracks on two discs in this deluxe 27 year retrospective box set from seeland (negativeland) packed with legendary and notorious previously banned cuts plus a 48 page book - absolutely essential and bonkers - tracks by anthrax, sinead o'connick jr., beastie shop beach, bing stingspreen etc. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: (klf) Re: Ok to change subject Date: 09 Jun 2001 15:09:00 EDT In a message dated 09/06/01 18:13:13 GMT Daylight Time, djnite@klf-communications.com writes: >Well, they're the first artists ever who were given >permission to use a >sample of Madonna. They use the bassline >from 'Holiday' to great effect. MC Miker G and DJ Sven also sampled Madonna's Holiday in there 80's hit Holiday Rap - seeing as it didn't get banned they probably got permission from Madonna as well (unless Madonna took it off them!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: (klf) Ban on HTML e-mails Date: 09 Jun 2001 15:11:21 EDT Could someone please remove the ban on HTML e-mails to this list 'cos it's a nuisance and it's putting me off from sending to the list. Since I upgraded to AOL 6.0 I've had to go to aol.co.uk and login to AOL Mail 2.0 to send to the list. I think now most people can read HTML messages and those that can't get a copy in text anyway. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Subject: (klf) K is for Kompany Date: 09 Jun 2001 20:17:18 +0100 It`s been a while since The People`s Pyramid and K2 Plant Hire Ltd have been mentioned here and after recently coming across an interview online with Alan Moore that mentioned plans involving the project (Loch Ness being mooted as a possible site and the demolition of Stonehenge by K2 Plant Hire on 1/1/2000) and his meetings/involvement with Bill and Jimmy it got me thinking back about it all once more. Then, just last week a friend of mine said that she was popping along to Companies House to check that the registration of a mutual friend`s company had been registered correctly on his behalf, and as she was going to check out a few others at the time and wondered if there was anything that I might want looked up at all. I remembered that someone mentioned on this list ages ago that they had been along to Companies House and checked out the credentials for K2 Plant Hire Limited and asked her to enquire if she could in order to just see out of curiosity what info that they had and if it was still active, etc. (Especially as the accompanying website http://www.k2planthire.ltd.uk went under a number of changes and now has seemingly been mothballed - are there any mirrors of any of its various guises and incarnations in existence anywhere?) Anyhow, apart from the scanty details available that are provided via searching the Companies House website I now have 16 pages of documentation (annual report and financial statements) that tends to raise more questions than answers... The registered office for the Company is a Chartered Accountants in St John`s Wood, but Mr. William Ernest Drummond`s business address for K2 is his Farm in Bucks and Jimmy`s new home in Brighton (number 23!) since moving from his large house near Totnes is also listed. Nothing really odd there though... K2 Plant Hire was incorporated (and is still active - next accounts due on 31/1/2002) as a private limited company on 24/01/1995 (though I would hazard to guess that it was in fact set up on the 23rd and it took a day to sort out the bureaucracy, etc...) with the nature of business being catalogued under 'other service activities'. However, these documents later go on to state "The principal activity of the company is that of a music company" and both B&J`s occupations are given as 'musicians' along with D.o.B`s and other usual administration type stuff...) The previous registered name for this company until 15/02/1996 was 'MEILLEUR PROMOTIONS LIMITED'?!? Does anyone know what this was? Maybe a PR firm set up by Bill? Other things that might be of some note is that 100 shares (at the nominal sum of one pound each) were issued/held to both directors (Bill and Jimmy) with each being given 50. Bill`s signature is evident on several of the documents, but Jimmy`s scrawl never ever appears on any of them! Admin expenses for the company are 6,000 pounds a year and "the company recorded a loss of 108,441 in the year ending 31/3/2000 (balance at 1/4/1999 was 102,805 in debt), but continued to meet its day to day working capital requirements from the funds made available by the directors. During the year Mr. Cauty and Mr. W.E Drummond made additional loans of 2,200 each to the company." So, anyone got an idea of what the current status is with K2 or are they just keeping the company barely alive or is it going to be dissolved sometime as some sort of tax scam or whatever?!? I also recall that at the debut Gimpo Film Technologies event that was held up in Derby there was a video shown of the New Year`s Eve distribution of Tennant`s Extra cans to the homeless and this was done under the monicker of 'K1 Plant Hire Ltd' rather than by The K Foundation or any other presumed name that is usually stated for this action. AFAIK this was not registered as a legitimate bona fide company, but K2 obviously is (for whatever purpose), but surely K1 could have been, and why wasn't it, but K2 was? Also, a K5 Plant Hire Ltd is mentioned in a new forthcoming book by Stewart Home (whatever happened to K3 and K4 and will we end up with K23 eventually?!?) Anyone got any answers or noticed any additional anomalies regarding any of this? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Robinson Subject: Re: (klf) K is for Kompany Date: 09 Jun 2001 21:07:09 +0100 John wrote: > Then, just last week a friend of mine said that she was popping along to > Companies House to check that the registration of a mutual friend`s > company had been registered correctly... You can (for a fee) get all the same info on-line from http://www.companies-house.gov.uk but only during certain times of day - this is quite possibly the obly website that actually closes at night! > ..."The principal activity of the company is that of a > music company" and both B&J`s occupations are given as 'musicians' along > with D.o.B`s and other usual administration type stuff...) It's usual for musicians to need some sort of business front for their studios, equipment, to be able to claim VAT back for purchases and so on. > The previous registered name for this company until 15/02/1996 was > 'MEILLEUR PROMOTIONS LIMITED'?!? Does anyone know what this was? Maybe a > PR firm set up by Bill? Probably this means absolutely nothing - it's usual if you want a limited company to get one that has been already set up by a specialist in company formations , who will have 100s of them with whatever names sounded like they might be worth having, and related to the field they are set up to trade in. The first thing you do as directors of an off-the shelf company like this is to change then name to whatever you actually want. If you looks at most companies records at companied house you'll find an odd name like this in their ancient past. > Other things that might be of some note is that 100 shares (at the > nominal sum of one pound each) were issued/held to both directors (Bill > and Jimmy) with each being given 50. Again 100 pounds split 2 was is the normal was to set up a company. > Admin expenses for the company are 6,000 pounds a year and "the company > recorded a loss of 108,441 in the year ending 31/3/2000 (balance at > 1/4/1999 was 102,805 in debt), but continued to meet its day to day > working capital requirements from the funds made available by the > directors. During the year Mr. Cauty and Mr. W.E Drummond made > additional loans of 2,200 each to the company." This is totally consistent with B & J buying anything they can legitimately claim as a business expense through the company and claiming the VAT back. This isn't a tax scam, it's just the way the world works! - Andy_R # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "RMStringer" Subject: (klf) End the Debate!!!!! Date: 09 Jun 2001 17:23:06 -0500 I think that DR WHO should be kicked off the group for sending all of those fucking messages. ASSHOLE!!!! RMStringer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) End the Debate!!!!! Date: 09 Jun 2001 18:46:54 EDT I think he said he was leaving the group anyway in another e-mail. Anyway I've just sent him about 30-40 replies to tell him what a fucking moron he is. Hope he get's them all :) In a message dated Sat, 9 Jun 2001 23:25:44 British Summer Time, "RMStringer" writes: << I think that DR WHO should be kicked off the group for sending all of those fucking messages. ASSHOLE!!!! RMStringer>> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: (klf) weird list behaviour - msgs going missing? Date: 10 Jun 2001 15:00:14 +1000 hi all, i know we're all trying to end the debating, but i posted quite a long rant about two days ago now and it hasnt arrived on the list[1]. i'm posting this to mainly see if it gets through, and to warn ppl that if a huge[2] msg turns up, its me ranting and doesnt need to be read unless you wish to see my opinion[3] on all the debating. i had promised to shut up a while at the end of the rant but since it hasnt shown up yet :-) has anyone else noticed anything with deliveries of list mail? its prob better to reply offlist. thanx brendan [1] i was hoping the point i tried to raise in my rant would encourage ppl to shutup. [2] it should be around 20k :-( sorry but once i started typing it just kept going. [3] my opinion is just as important and anyone elses and i refuse to not post my opinion just because others think they're important enough to demand that their msgs are the final word on the subject. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: Re: (klf) weird list behaviour - msgs going missing? Date: 10 Jun 2001 15:19:25 +1000 ok, now i'm really suss. this was sent and arrived back on the list in less than 5 mins. where's my rant gone? cheers brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: (klf) Mark Stent's Go West revisited Date: 10 Jun 2001 02:58:06 EDT A month or so ago I reported that the Mark Stent remix of the Pet Shop Boys Go West was somehow released on Now That's What I Call Music 1993 - Millennium Edition (probably by accident). This mix was previously unreleased. To further this, the full 9+ minute mix appears on the reissue of PSB's Very [1]. I suspected this but waited until I actually heard for myself before letting the list know. The KLF connection, other than Stent's name, well familiar with liner note readers, is that the mix contains a very KLF-ish break. The ending of the extended mix also reminds me of something K related but I can't put my finger on it. Some remix somewhere.... oh wait, just hit me: WTIL Acid mix (around 4.35). -paul [1] - for non PSB fans on the list, they have currently reissued six of their albums, remastered, with a bonus disc of b-sides, remixes, and unreleased tracks in the UK. those in the states might want to order overseas: apart from the release date being sometime in july, the US retailers are selling them for around $24-27. amazon.co.uk is selling them for $14 (without the VAT) + shipping. Currently in rotation: Proclaimers - Persevere; David Byrne - Look Into the Eyeball; Lo Fidelity All Stars - On the Floor at the Boutique; Utah Saints - Wired World; Pet Shop Boys - Further Listening "...and the lights went out in his eyes for the very last time." ~ Douglas Adams 1952-2001 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) K is for Kompany Date: 10 Jun 2001 03:31:24 EDT > Anyhow, apart from the scanty details available that are provided via > searching the Companies House website I now have 16 pages of > documentation (annual report and financial statements) that tends to > raise more questions than answers... Sound interesting. Any chance of making a pdf document, or at least scans and putting them up somewhere? I assume these are public documents... And I think it goes without saying that any relevant personal information (ie: home addresses) be blotted out. > Also, a K5 Plant Hire Ltd is mentioned in a new forthcoming book by > Stewart Home (whatever happened to K3 and K4 and will we end up with K23 > eventually?!?) eh? what's this about? -paul Currently in rotation: Proclaimers - Persevere; David Byrne - Look Into the Eyeball; Lo Fidelity All Stars - On the Floor at the Boutique; Utah Saints - Wired World; Pet Shop Boys - Further Listening "...and the lights went out in his eyes for the very last time." ~ Douglas Adams 1952-2001 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) Apologies Date: 10 Jun 2001 05:04:05 -0400 (EDT) To everyone on the list who recieved my 200+ emails, I am sorry to clog up your mail. I've never done this, ever, and will never again. I just hoped it would change the subject. And though it irritated some (probably most) , I have not seen a PT3 email / comment / question since then. So maybe it is over. No one needs to reply to this email, It would be just more wasted mail (as was mine) not having to do with the KLF. I'm sure we'd all be happy to just get on with better KLF related subjects. I've followed KLF since they started and I've been on the list quite awhile and I didn't do this just to be kicked off or to piss everyone off, just to make a point. And i'm sure some (or most) of you dont agree with my method as I can plainly see through the 800 or so replys I recieved, most very unhappy, but which I fully expected to get back after doing this. Trust me I recieved punishment, I'm only on webtv and it threw my unit through a loop and took me a couple hours to delete mail as this pathetic thing can't handle much. With that said I'd like to say I apologise to the entire group and those who mailed me Rockman Mike, Phil Blake, Darren Forrester, Tosser, Timo Toivonen, Ernesto Perez, RM Stringer, Agust A J, Miles, and everyone else. If anyone wants to reply to this maybe you can just send to me so we can keep the group free from this subject. I hope you can all forgive. I enjoy reading your questions and comments and hope we can all be friends and discuss our favorite subject again. Doc p.s. Not sure if anyone wants to answer this but I posted a question a few weeks ago but didn't find the answer yet. What did the original Pure Trance 5 cover look like. (did it say Last train or E-train) Any info would be appreciated. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: Re: (klf) Ok , just to change the subject Date: 10 Jun 2001 20:18:19 +1000 Howdy, > Is there something like a short list of some > samples they used ? Maybe some popular artists ? from memory, it doesnt list them all on the cd i saw. they really take the sounds and mash them all together as derek mentioned. its not say.um..bomb the bass style sampling, its just all layered together to make music if that makes sense. its a fanatastic album though. really good. i read somewhere (i may be getting this confused) that the single that was released had to have samples removed from it, but the album version was left alone. Billie(in aust): are you paying attention here? would it be possible for your friend at 'inpress' to see if they have any interview transcripts - i know that there were articles on them in every paper a few weeks/months ago. cheers brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: Re: (klf) Ok , just to change the subject Date: 10 Jun 2001 20:18:28 +1000 hI ALL, > Bought a great album today , the Avalanches they're australian - and from melbourne even as i understand. isnt it a fantastic album :-) >'Since I left you' , ok not exactly KLF related, > but , the album is mostly made up of over 900 > samples , and some real obscure ones too :-) > sort of reminded me of the jams 1987 album , > but taken to the extreme, and the new single > 'Frontier Psychiatrist' is truely brilliant > use of samples, > you have got to hear it to believe it! the album is great. fantastic even. i highly recommend geting it. the live show is sposed to be really good too. the dj (dexta i think) does pretty well in the dmc championships as well. i havent read the other msgs on the list RE: this yet, but if anyone needs more info i'm sure i could find some in the music mags around here. they're a bit of a favourite around town at the moment. cheers brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) E Train cover (was: Apologies) Date: 10 Jun 2001 07:14:39 EDT > p.s. Not sure if anyone wants to answer this but I posted a question a > few weeks ago but didn't find the answer yet. What did the original > Pure Trance 5 cover look like. (did it say Last train or E-train) Any > info would be appreciated. The KLF: E-Train To Trancentral [1988] unrleased single 12": 1988 UK (KLF Communications; KLF 008T) E-Train To Trancentral The Lovers' Side [scheduled 12 Dec 88, rescheduled Sep 89; labels exist, as do black/purple ("Pure Trance 5 - The White Room") and sea-green/black ("E-Train To Trancentral") sleeves.] -paul Currently in rotation: Proclaimers - Persevere; David Byrne - Look Into the Eyeball; Lo Fidelity All Stars - On the Floor at the Boutique; Utah Saints - Wired World; Pet Shop Boys - Further Listening "...and the lights went out in his eyes for the very last time." ~ Douglas Adams 1952-2001 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) K is for Kompany Date: 10 Jun 2001 07:33:00 EDT <> Meilleur is French for Better - "Better Promotions Limited" <> The K1 bit could be something to do with 1K which is what millennium we were in until officially 12:00:00 1/1/01 'cos there other name K2 was made by reversing the ***K The Millennium group title of 2K which is another name for 2000. (or the 2nd millennium) <> If it was to do with dates K1 Plant Hire might have been registered up until 1/1/00 or 1/1/01 (depending on what B&J took as the official end to 1K (the first millennium) - everyone knows that the new millennium official started on the 1/1/01 not 1/1/00 due to the calendar starting at 1 not 0 don't they?) <> If it is something to do with dates then we could be waiting a very very long time for K3 to surface let alone K5 or K23!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Subject: Re: (klf) K is for Kompany Date: 10 Jun 2001 21:47:55 +0100 Darrenforster99@aol.com writes >If it was to do with dates K1 Plant Hire might have been registered up until >1/1/00 or 1/1/01 AFAIK K1 wasn't registered or it would have shown up somewhere... Any other companies that might worth checking out that are somehow related to Bill or Jimmy in some way? Kalevala or The Foundry for instance? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Torsten Pattberg" Subject: (klf) Haddaway Date: 10 Jun 2001 22:55:46 +0200 I just heared a version of Haddaway's "What is love?", which is based on KLF's "What time is love?". Don't know whether it's new or not. Don't know if anyone living not in Germany knows Haddaway :-) I just wanted to mention it. -- Torsten Pattberg www.klf.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Bruce Subject: Re: (klf) Haddaway Date: 10 Jun 2001 22:14:05 +0100 (BST) On Sun 10 Jun, Torsten Pattberg wrote: > > > I just heared a version of Haddaway's "What is love?", which is based > on KLF's "What time is love?". Don't know whether it's new or not. > Don't know if anyone living not in Germany knows Haddaway :-) I just > wanted to mention it. Which mix was it, and/or where did you hear it? I can imagine how blending the two tracks together would work, but unless it was done around the time "What Is Love?" was released, I can't imagine it would be worth anybody's while creating a bootleg track mixing together two songs that are each the best part of a decade or more old... Haddaway had a few hits in the UK ("What Is Love?" got to about #3 I think) and the album at least was released in the US. Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://groups.yahoo.com/group/utahsaints/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Torsten Pattberg" Subject: Re: (klf) Haddaway Date: 10 Jun 2001 23:27:00 +0200 > > I just heared a version of Haddaway's "What is love?", which is based > > Which mix was it, and/or where did you hear it? They played it on a festival in my town. > I can imagine how blending the two tracks together would work, but > unless it was done around the time "What Is Love?" was released, I can't > imagine it would be worth anybody's while creating a bootleg track > mixing together two songs that are each the best part of a decade or > more old... The mix didn't use samples but was reprogrammed and played the WTIL bassline (like Scooter's new single). It sounds like a very new version, a kind of rave remix (?) but definitly not a early 90s production. And I think it is not a bootleg but a "I need some more money" re-release... > Haddaway had a few hits in the UK ("What Is Love?" got to about #3 I > think) and the album at least was released in the US. I think he is from cologne and I wasn't sure if he was just a "local product" ;-) "What is love?" was a hit in Germany on that days, too. -- Torsten Pattberg www.klf.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: (klf) Attn: Brendan - private Date: 11 Jun 2001 01:26:21 EDT I've tried to contact you off list but your email appears to be invalid. Please contact me. -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: (klf) OT: horrible thought about discographies Date: 11 Jun 2001 21:28:13 +1000 hi all, disclaimer: i've been thinking way too much recently. imagine - the klf didnt do their stuff in the 80's n 90s but now, in the era of numerous 'club' mix cds. there's so many of these club (gatecrasher, ministry, cream, & home to name a few) cd's with 'exclusive' mixes how would we ever keep the discography up to date? just to remind me, who's the current keeper of the discog? is there a new text version to be dnloaded somewhere? the one i'm using is Lazlo's (Last Update: 10 May 1998). thanx b # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: Re: (klf) Haddaway Date: 11 Jun 2001 21:42:28 +1000 hi all, for those who are on the other side of the world, what/who is 'Haddaway' ? urls? thanx brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Virtanen Mikko Subject: RE: (klf) Haddaway Date: 11 Jun 2001 14:55:08 +0300 Subject: (klf) Messages going missing (and HTML and Attachments and my rant) Date: 11 Jun 2001 22:08:43 +1000 Howdy everybody, well i worked out what happened to some of the messages not getting through, and i've found a pretty definitive answer about html. i just recieved this back (pasted below). it arrived because i sent a msg asking who else was missing mail AND included an attached zip file (my missing rant). >Your message to klf@lists.xmission.com was not posted >because it contains MIME content. MIME content may not >be posted to this mailing list, because it causes problems >for subscribers who read the list in digest form. Please >configure your mail software so that messages to the list are >sent only in plain text and resend your message. the message i had tried to send (minus attachment) is also pasted below. with regard to html, i dont think it can be sent without MIME content. you could possibly uuencode it, but thats even more of a pain (imho) than html email. at this point, i'm guessing my rant was either too long and ended up in the owners mailbox (lazlo) (as detailed a bit more below) or it was just lost in the drwho megaposts. i wont bother to try and resend it now, its become too outdated and we've moved on. if anyone is really interested, email me at 'brendan' AT 'sputcorp.com', and you can read my fartoolong rant. i expect i wont get any takers for that *L* the main point i had wanted to say was "its sposed to be about the music!" and "music is great, but its better shared." i'd also prefer that, before making sweeping generalisations about record collectors and mp3 collectors (and ppl in possesion of mp3s), ppl consider that not everyone on the list is in a physical location that makes getting klf original material easy. yes i know ebay exists but using that means possibly paying more than whatever-it-is is worth. anyway, this is far too long already, and i want to get some sleep :-) night all, brendan > Hi all, > > judging from the email i've received, there has > definitely been some msgs go walkabout. they all > seemed to be lost during dr whos megapost. from > my understanding of list servers (and in no way > am i an expert) that shouldnt happen. > > so my questions are: > > a) did anyone receive a copy of my rant (20k) as > posted? i'm checking irregularly but i'm sure i've > have seen it if it did make it to the list. > > b) is there anyone who _didnt_ mail me who lost msgs? > > c) what does the list want done with the msgs that didnt > turn up? ie - should those who didnt see their msgs on > the list repost the messages. i'm guessing that the msgs > that didnt turn up where, like mine, replies to the PT3 > debacle. i think everyones opinion is of equal value so > my vote would be for everyone to repost. > > without wanting to restart the debate, i'm strongly > considering reposting my rant anyway. i might zip it > in an attempt to reduce the size right down, and > because i'm sure ppl are sick of the debate also. > my post, i think (and i tried to convey), reflects > on some of the changes that have happened on this > list since i joined. as some of you are aware, > i've been thinking long and hard about posting > it, and now that i made a decision (and did post it) > i wish to see it on list because i hope it will make > some of you think about things. imho, we've almost > lost the plot on what this list is about. i am/came, > i guess with many others, very close to unsubbing > and forgetting about this list. i sent several emails > because i was nervous about my rant, and almost all > agreed i should post it (so i did but it went > missing). i've apologised in advance to some ppl > because i was a little um..harsh in my comments. > if i've gone to this much trouble, well it'll seem > a waste to not post it. > > [thinks some more] > > ok, its zipped and added. this will enable me to > > a) be happy with myself cos i posted what i think > b) allow those not interested in my rant to ignore it. > if you unzip it, read it, and get offended well you > shouldn't have unzipped it should you :P > c) allow me to test whether attachments can make it > to the list. > > i sent off for the help file for the list, and it > made an interesting re-read. > > it specifically mentions that html AND attachments should > not be sent to the list. > > it seems to imply that they'll end up in the owners > (lazlo?) mailbox for approval. since lazlo seems to > be missing (or at least too busy to reply to any email) > i'm suspecting that either this whole msg wont make it > to the list (because of the attachment and because he's > not there to approve it) or the attachment wont make it > to the list. > > anyway, apologies in advance for the attachment and the rant. > > cheers > brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Hauner Subject: Re: (klf) Haddaway Date: 11 Jun 2001 15:08:27 +0200 (CEST) On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Brendan wrote: > hi all, > for those who are on the other side of the world, what/who is 'Haddaway' ? http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?P=amg&sql=Haddaway&opt1=1 http://music.lycos.com/default.asp?DA=0&QT=A&QW=Haddaway&AID=43297 http://www.launch.com/music/artistpage/1,,1011186,00.html -- Adam Hauner -=[ AHA ]=[ aha@pinknet.cz ]=[ Koukni na http://www.postcard.cz/ ]=- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (klf) Ban on HTML e-mails Date: 11 Jun 2001 09:55:17 -0700 Darrenforster99@aol.com wrote: > > Could someone please remove the ban on HTML e-mails to this list 'cos it's a nuisance and it's putting me off from sending to the list. Since I upgraded to AOL 6.0 I've had to go to aol.co.uk and login to AOL Mail 2.0 to send to the list. I think now most people can read HTML messages and those that can't get a copy in text anyway. The internet-wide standard is that HTML is not appropriate for newsgroups and email lists. This standard exists for good and sufficient reasons that I'm not about to rehash. Your mistake was in upgrading to a broken email and news program; take it up with AOL. Don't expect everyone else to change for *your* convenience. (And there *are* work-arounds for sending non-HTML email from AOL 6.0; you just have to expend a little bit of effort to research them.) Chris (still pissed about the mailbomb) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ditch X" Subject: Re: (klf) Haddaway Date: 11 Jun 2001 13:04:21 -0400 Ah yes... Haddaway :-) Here in America, "What is Love?" has become something of a classic. Though its chart success has been limited, it has been a club staple for a few years now, thanks to its play during late night television shows. Particularly to blame for this is the popular NBC program Saturday Night Live. Because I don't know how popular or well-known the show is outside of the western hemisphere, I will explain for those who don't know what SNL is. SNL is a comedy program that has been on the air for over twenty-five years now, and has spawned comedy films, celebrities, and successful musical acts. For those who don't know, films like "Black Sheep," "Tommy Boy," "Wayne's World," and most importantly "A Night at the Roxbury" are all direct results of comedy skits that began on the show. "A Night at the Roxbury" was one that began as a silly skit on the show, and later became so popular that a whole movie was created. Oddly, the movie, just like the skits on the show, was very good. The story features two dim-witted club-goers who wake and sleep thinking of "clubbing." The theme song to their "clubbing" is Haddaway's "What is Love?" They dance to it harder and faster than the other songs at the clubs, and it has become bascially the theme song for "clubbing" in the States thanks to this movie. When you hear it, you should be able to imagine two idiots bobbing their heads and dancing poorly. Until now, I hadn't considered it, but it does seem like a direct knock-off of our KLF's super-single. Fascinating... I propose this question... Who here believes that Haddaway followed the Golden Rules? Is this an instance of Edelweiss or a lucky, Scooter-like case of sonic-piracy? Does anyone have a Haddaway record/tape/CD to confirm your beliefs? Is this a worthy addition to the discography? URLs: "A Night at the Roxbury" pages of interest... http://members.aol.com/Meltman323/index.html --> turn on your speakers for this site! Haddaway MIDI! http://members.aol.com/meltman323/watislv.mid --> MIDI file of the subject song... http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/6538/roxbury/index.html --> another good page... http://www.saturday-night-live.com/snl/roxbury/watislv.html --> Lyrics to the song... Haddaway... http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/Boulevard/9555/wil.mp3 --> MP3 of the song... http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/Boulevard/9555/wil.au --> AU of the song... Not many other sites of interest available... Hope that helped... You're welcome if it did... ***Do not reply to the following... purely for saying, not for replying*** I know it's a bad idea to even hint at this anymore, as it may start something back up again, but it NEEDS to be said... ...a note to Dr. Who... I'm not saying I condone what you've done on the list here, but I do understand... point taken and lesson learned... Everyone: WE ARE ALL FRIENDS HERE!!! YES I"M SHOUTING! We have much love and respect for one another here on the list because we are all that keeps the KLF legacy alive. Remember what we are doing on this list and why we are here. We keep the candle burning for new generations. We wait for a day when the silence might be broken from our subjects... The KLF is a more sacred obsession. KLF fans are the most devout of any fans of any band ever. We are enlightened and privileged to be a part of all this. It gives us something to do when our Radioheads and Aphex Twins are boring and impersonal. When our Beatles and Stones grow too old. When Scooter pisses us off. So do unto other as you would have other do unto you and all that Golden Rules rubbish, and enjoy the silence more often. ;-) ...And don't reply to any of that either! I just wanted to say something of shallow value. -Ditch X # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "henrik uddemar" Subject: Re: (klf) Haddaway Date: 11 Jun 2001 19:57:17 Love you to, thankyou :-) >Everyone: WE ARE ALL FRIENDS HERE!!! YES I"M SHOUTING! We have much love >and >respect for one another here on the list because we are all that keeps the >KLF legacy alive. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Bruce Subject: Re: (klf) Haddaway Date: 11 Jun 2001 21:22:30 +0100 (BST) On Mon 11 Jun, Ditch X wrote: > The theme song to their "clubbing" is Haddaway's "What is Love?" They > dance to it harder and faster than the other songs at the clubs, and > it has become bascially the theme song for "clubbing" in the States > thanks to this movie. Thanks for that explanation, it was interesting. > Who here believes that Haddaway followed the Golden Rules? Is this an > instance of Edelweiss or a lucky, Scooter-like case of sonic-piracy? > Does anyone have a Haddaway record/tape/CD to confirm your beliefs? Is > this a worthy addition to the discography? Personally I don't think that Haddaway's original "What Is Love" is anything more than remotely similar to "What Time Is Love"- they're both in the same genre, but there isn't much of a sharing of actual elements (although I haven't listened to it recently to compare for a fact). I've heard Haddaway's album, and generic it might be, but the Golden Rules it's not, and KLF-copy it doesn't. To an extreme it seems like saying that all trance tracks with female vocals about flying are copying each other, which isn't true. And incidentally, Haddaway did a song called "Fly Away"... The "What Time Is Love"/"What Is Love" new mix that originally caused this discussion, though, might be the exception. > KLF fans are the most devout of any fans of any band ever. I don't agree. I can think of several bands and artists who have stronger, larger and more obsessive fanbases than the KLF. Because of the tie-ins to the Robert Anton Wilson novels, the KLF fanbase might like to think itself more 'mystical and powerful' than others, but it's not. Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://groups.yahoo.com/group/utahsaints/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "- Bouwes" Subject: (klf) KLF8R promo Date: 11 Jun 2001 23:29:03 -0000 Hello list, Just wondering. Who else has got a promo of Pure Trance 5? The discog says it is a white label and on this list of Chill Out there is a test pressing mentioned of 5 pressings. Who else has got a testpressing and what“s the difference between the promo PT5 and testpressing PT5?? Please let me know ASAP. Bye, Maarten _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (klf) Ban on HTML e-mails Date: 11 Jun 2001 09:55:17 -0700 Darrenforster99@aol.com wrote: > > Could someone please remove the ban on HTML e-mails to this list 'cos it's a nuisance and it's putting me off from sending to the list. Since I upgraded to AOL 6.0 I've had to go to aol.co.uk and login to AOL Mail 2.0 to send to the list. I think now most people can read HTML messages and those that can't get a copy in text anyway. The internet-wide standard is that HTML is not appropriate for newsgroups and email lists. This standard exists for good and sufficient reasons that I'm not about to rehash. Your mistake was in upgrading to a broken email and news program; take it up with AOL. Don't expect everyone else to change for *your* convenience. (And there *are* work-arounds for sending non-HTML email from AOL 6.0; you just have to expend a little bit of effort to research them.) Chris (still pissed about the mailbomb) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ford Timelord Subject: Re: (klf) KLF8R promo Date: 12 Jun 2001 06:31:35 +0200 >Just wondering. Who else has got a promo of Pure Trance 5? >The discog says it is a white label and on this list of Chill Out there is= =20 >a test pressing mentioned of 5 pressings. Who else has got a testpressing= =20 >and what=B4s the difference between the promo PT5 and testpressing PT5?? As far as i know, the difference between the promo and the testpressing=20 should be the material of the record. While the promo is a real vinyl, the testpressing is an acetat (softer than= =20 the normal vinyl plastic). In the Drum & Bass and other music scenes=20 acetates (so called "dubplates") were do often. Over and Out Ford is back (and hopes the list will be normal now!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) Haddaway Date: 12 Jun 2001 04:10:52 EDT In a message dated Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:02:09 British Summer Time, "Torsten Pattberg" writes: << Don't know if anyone living not in Germany knows Haddaway :-) I just wanted to mention it. >> I remember Haddaway, he had a few hits in the UK as well (mainly with What is love? - "What is love? baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more!". I remember he got on a "Now That's What I Call Music" compilation (one of the most famous "Various Artists" compilations in the UK). I think What is love was on the same Now compilation as The KLF's What Time Is Love?. Don't ever recall it sounding anything like WTIL though. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Subject: (klf) (OT) Avalanches Date: 12 Jun 2001 20:45:36 +1000 Brendan wrote: > > Is there something like a short list of some > > samples they used ? Maybe some popular artists ? > > from memory, it doesnt list them all on the cd i saw. they really take the > sounds and mash them all together as derek mentioned. its not say.um..bomb > the bass style sampling, its just all layered together to make music if that > makes sense. > > its a fanatastic album though. really good. > > i read somewhere (i may be getting this confused) that the single that was > released had to have samples removed from it, but the album version was left > alone. You're getting it confused. The Australian single and the original (10,000) CD pressing of the Australian album are intact, but later CD pressings, all vinyl pressings, and all non-Australian pressings have had a large number of samples removed from the entire album, and especially Frontier Psychiatrist. Apparently most of them have been replayed by the band, including the mimicking of many of the vocal samples on FronPsy. If there has been a UK release of a Frontier Psych single, it'll definitely be the bowdlerised version. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Subject: Re: (klf) K is for Kompany Date: 12 Jun 2001 21:19:33 +1000 John wrote: > > It`s been a while since The People`s Pyramid and K2 Plant Hire Ltd have > been mentioned here and after recently coming across an interview online > with Alan Moore that mentioned plans involving the project Hey, cheers, probably (signed webmonkey@eddiecampbellcomics.com)! > I also recall that at the debut Gimpo Film Technologies event that was > held up in Derby there was a video shown of the New Year`s Eve > distribution of Tennant`s Extra cans to the homeless and this was done > under the monicker of 'K1 Plant Hire Ltd' rather than by The K > Foundation or any other presumed name that is usually stated for this > action. K1 Truck Hire, actually. Does Bill mention this in his account of the night in '45'? > AFAIK this was not registered as a legitimate bona fide company, but K2 > obviously is (for whatever purpose), but surely K1 could have been, and > why wasn't it, but K2 was? Because it was a one-off joke (which likely inspired the later company, the way Gimpo's threatening to burn Whiteread's money inspired the larger project of burning the million quid). > Also, a K5 Plant Hire Ltd is mentioned in a new forthcoming book by > Stewart Home (whatever happened to K3 and K4 and will we end up with K23 > eventually?!?) Well, that's just Stewart Home, isn't it? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Kuta" Subject: (klf) What the heck...? Date: 12 Jun 2001 17:28:09 +0200 Hey, okay, seems we're back to normal... just found this on the Flux Festival '99 page: "The evening also features the debut solo performance by (...) JIMMY CAUTY (aka the Scourge of the Earth). Cauty has supplied the theme for the Merry Pranksters visit to the UK which will also be used on regular reports throughout August on Channel 4 Prankster tour road reports (...)" Why has noone ever mentioned this? As a German I have to ask who the "Merry Pranksters" are and where you can get Cauty's theme tune... Help appreciated!!! Thanks a lot, Daniel --- DJ Kuta, KLF Online (www.klf.de) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Blumenthal, Michael (ELS)" Subject: RE: (klf) What the heck...? Date: 12 Jun 2001 16:44:51 +0100 > Why has noone ever mentioned this? As a German I have to ask > who the "Merry > Pranksters" are and where you can get Cauty's theme tune... Dunno why it wasn't mentioned. The Pranksters were a disorganisation based around Ken Kesey's ranch in california about the time he was writing "one Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest". They organised the Acid Tests before LSD was banned and did a tour of the US in a media-wired bus called Furthur (driven by Neal Cassidy, the real name of 'Dean Moriarty' in Kerouac's 'On The Road'), dressed (if at all) in dayglo and terrorising the US midwest with serious weirdness. Tom Wolfe's "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" gives a very nice flavour of the Pranksters, and a lot of the modern information / media environment is down to ex-pranksters like Stewart Brand (now a professor at the MIT Media Lab) When i was on my way home from cornwall after the 99 eclipse, I very very nearly totalled the car when I found myself behing Furthur on the M5 Motorway. So I tailed it to Exeter Services, gawped for a while, and ended up, like rappin' with Kesey about the skies in Ooooooregoooooon, maaan! Came very close then. But as it says in the book, "you're either on the bus, or you're not on the bus". Guess I'm not on the bus :) Read some more. The Pranksters are gonna rock you! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MarkGRTurner@cs.com Subject: Re: (klf) What the heck...? Date: 12 Jun 2001 14:53:39 EDT In a message dated 6/12/01 4:47:06 PM GMT Daylight Time, m.blumenthal@elsevier.co.uk writes: << > Why has noone ever mentioned this? As a German I have to ask > who the "Merry > Pranksters" are and where you can get Cauty's theme tune... >> From what I remember, there was a full page advert on the back of the NME advertising this as well as some other Flux Festuival adverts, but as usual (?), the JC appearance didn't happen. His appearance was going to be to "make some loud noises". There was no mention or appearance on the UK Channel 4 show folowing Ken Kinsley (?) and his Magic Bus tour which was to go to the event either. I can't remember why the no show. Probably why there is no real mail thread on this subject. Mark Turner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: (klf) dr who? Date: 12 Jun 2001 16:03:13 -0600 i've been on this list for about 30 minutes so far. is something wrong with dr. who? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rockman=20Mike?= Subject: Re: (klf) dr who? Date: 12 Jun 2001 23:14:24 +0100 (BST) --- bi11i wrote: > > i've been on this list for about 30 minutes so far. > is something wrong with > dr. who? Hi Yes! He's got a terminal case of Pain In The Arse. Mike ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Bruce Subject: Re: (klf) dr who? Date: 12 Jun 2001 23:15:38 +0100 (BST) On Tue 12 Jun, bi11i wrote: > > i've been on this list for about 30 minutes so far. is something > wrong with dr. who? No, he's still travelling about in the dimensions of space and time. Oh, _that_ one. I can't remember for sure, but I think that when you newly subscribe to this list, the server sends you all of the last day or two's messages, so that you can instantly catch up- but which also means that you get a big pile of mail dumped on you in one go if it's been a busy few days. The WebTV user you're referring to had a bit of a 'moment' a day or so ago and decided to send the same short message over and over and over and over and over and over and over every 16-seconds-ish for a good half an hour (one of the most wasted half hours in list history). Quite a few people were furious at him and hopefully by now he got the hint that that was a very bad idea and proved nothing. Especially since the debate in question had ground more or less to a halt earlier in the day that he decided to post all the "end the debate" messages. I might be wrong about this as it's a while since I subscribed... Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://groups.yahoo.com/group/utahsaints/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) Re: dr. who Date: 12 Jun 2001 19:12:37 -0400 (EDT) How about another two week disussion on this subject? Can we just forget about it!!!! I submit that anyone who reply's to this topic any further is causing useless discussion in this group that can be resolved through personnal email and not for list use. Doc P.s. Stuart, Please dont examine every single word I wrote and give us all your standard 10 paragraph essay on why I'm wrong OK? IM SORRY-IM SORRY-IM SORRY-happy? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (klf) Re: dr. who Date: 12 Jun 2001 16:24:27 -0700 "Dr. Who" wrote: > > How about another two week disussion on this subject? How about you keep quiet in the corner, like someone who knows that he did something wrong? > Can we just forget about it!!!! No. You are just as guilty of extending this discussion as anyone else, and have less right to. > I submit that anyone who reply's to this topic any further is causing > useless discussion in this group that can be resolved through personnal > email and not for list use. But you can do whatever happens to flit through your brain, with no discussion allowed afterwards? My guess is that every time you post, someone is going to bring this up. > P.s. Stuart, Please dont examine every single word I wrote and give us > all your standard 10 paragraph essay on why I'm wrong OK? > > IM SORRY-IM SORRY-IM SORRY-happy? No; I'm not. You need to lose your ISP. (And given the complaints that were filed, I'm sure you will.) Crap like the stunt you pulled is completely, 100%, absolutely unacceptable, and deserves enforcement of a zero-tolerance policy, and public denouncement. If Lazlo read this list actively, you'd already be banned. Go away. Chris (tweaking his killfile as we speak) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel" Subject: Re: (klf) Re: dr. who Date: 13 Jun 2001 09:05:26 +0930 I've already kill-filed the wanker - mind you it is amusing to see how he attempts to justify his actions. Perhaps he should find himself signed up for a pile of Mormon mailing lists..... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "RMStringer" Subject: (klf) YOu Started buy Spamming the Group. :-} Date: 12 Jun 2001 18:45:50 -0500 How about another two week discussion on this subject? Can we just forget about it!!!! I submit that anyone who reply's to this topic any further is causing useless discussion in this group that can be resolved through personal email and not for list use. Doc P.s. Stuart, Please don't examine every single word I wrote and give us all your standard 10 paragraph essay on why I'm wrong OK? IM SORRY-IM SORRY-IM SORRY-happy? RMStringer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: Re: (klf) (OT) Avalanches Date: 13 Jun 2001 04:56:36 +1000 hi all, > > i read somewhere (i may be getting this confused) that > > the single that was released had to have samples > > removed from it, but the album version was left alone. > > You're getting it confused. thanx for the correcting. my knowledge of them is mostly based of a couple of days listening to the cd and some newspaper articles i've read. > The Australian single and the original (10,000) > CD pressing of the Australian album are intact, looks like its time for me to put on the hunting shoes again. is there a easy way to spot the difference between the original 10,000 and the others? cheers brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: (klf) Devout Fans (WAS: Haddaway) - wandering from topic Date: 13 Jun 2001 04:37:07 +1000 > > KLF fans are the most devout of any fans of any band ever. > > I don't agree. I can think of several bands and > artists who have stronger, larger and more obsessive > fanbases than the KLF. Because of the tie-ins to the > Robert Anton Wilson novels, the KLF fanbase might > like to think itself more 'mystical and powerful' > than others, but it's not. i'd agree with stuart on this. there are ppl all the time on the tv and magazines who have their houses redectorated in elvis style, named the kids after abba or whatever. kiss just recently toured aust and as i understand it there was a couple married at one of their gigs in full kiss army uniforms. if someone decides to build and live in a pyramid blaster i could be convinved to change my viewpoint. i'd sugest that perhaps we're the most 'likely to believe in any conspiracy theory that links the klf to everything' fans ;-) if i was trying to be nasty about it (and remember, i include myself) we're mostly a list who likes to trainspot[1] far too much. if we were to take tattoo's into consideration[2] i'd guess at kiss & motley crue & jim morrison fans winning hands down. i've seen heaps of exploited tattoos over the years as well but there's prob more of those above. [wandering really offtopic] i've sometimes, even often, thought i've kollected things that were perhaps a bit too far from the klf to be really worthwhile, and i have a bad habit of picking up different versions of songs i already have too many times, but recently i've met ppl that i feel put me to shame. and some of them on bands/ppl i'd never expect. i mean, hang around a record stores long enough and you meet all the steroetypical types. there's (ottomh) iggy pop and the stooges (sp?), the deadheads, pink floyd, the kiss army. recently i've seen ppl hunting obscure 2pac, biggie, eminem, marilyn manson, & moby remixes. but recently, i met someone who has the most amazing collection of gg allen(sp?) stuff. for those who dont know who he is, i'm not sure you'd want to know. i can find something to like in all kinds of stuff, but wow! gg's in a class of his own. i never expected to meet anyone who collected his stuff[3], i thought it most unlikely i'd meet anyone who had heard of him to be honest. but this guy has multiple videos and stuff[4]. i havent got any urls for gg (as i've probably said too many times i'm mostly offline) but he should be findable with any decent search engine. i'm sure he couldnt have escaped being mentioned on some web site somewhere. without trying to be insulting to gg, he's probably filed under weird. sorry for the off topicness of this post but finding a gg fan really spun me. up too late, brendan [1] q: i know the term trainspotter came from uk to aus, but did it reach other countries? [2] imho a tattoo makes a reasonably devoted fan. its pretty permament after all [5] [3] i wouldnt call myself a fan or collector of gg. vaguely interested observer is more accurate. [4] i havent seen exactly what he has - i saw the videos and he said he had other stuff. [5] yes i know they can generally be removed now but dont be difficult :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: (klf) OFFTOPIC: AOL users trying to email me Date: 13 Jun 2001 04:49:03 +1000 Hi all, i've spoken to the admin at sputcorp and with whatever smtp software he has its all banned or no one banned. aol has caused him too much trouble so its a everybody from aol ban. if you need to contact me, and you're using an aol account, either: send to notbrendan at bigfoot dot com or p0o9i8u at hotmail dot com the 1st one is preferred wishing i was tired, brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: (klf) [OT] that's DR Who to you :-) Date: 13 Jun 2001 13:34:55 +1000 > > i've been on this list for about 30 minutes so > > far. is something wrong with dr. who? > > No, he's still travelling about in the > dimensions of space and time. Yes! and he's coming back http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/06/11/0244246&mode=thread which leads to http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/tv_and_radio/newsid_1381000/1 381788.stm and http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/tv_and_radio/newsid_1382000/1 382699.stm and from there, there are heaps of links. bfn, b # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: RE: (klf) (OT) Avalanches Date: 12 Jun 2001 22:11:27 -0600 hey, i've got the original 10 minute sample set from frontier psychiatrist if anyone is interested... > > > > hi all, > > > > i read somewhere (i may be getting this confused) that > > > the single that was released had to have samples > > > removed from it, but the album version was left alone. > > > > You're getting it confused. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Hauner Subject: (klf) OT: Deep Shit just for fun Date: 13 Jun 2001 08:29:37 +0200 (CEST) Found somewhere on the net: http://web.pinknet.cz/aha/cattleco.jpg -- Adam Hauner -=[ AHA ]=[ aha@pinknet.cz ]=[ Koukni na http://www.postcard.cz/ ]=- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tone" Subject: (klf) re: flux festival Date: 13 Jun 2001 07:08:50 -0000 jimmy didn't show up (no surprises there, then). in fact i vaguely recollect that the entire gig was subsequently cancelled, for various reasons. the merry pranksters were adequately documented in tom wolfe's novel, the electric kool-aid acid test. tone # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Subject: Re: (klf) Re: dr. who Date: 13 Jun 2001 17:09:03 +1000 "Dr. Who" wrote: > > How about another two week disussion on this subject? > > Can we just forget about it!!!! > > I submit that anyone who reply's to this topic any further is causing > useless discussion in this group that can be resolved through personnal > email and not for list use. Your submission is rejected, for the reasons already cited over the last few days. Anyone who previously thought that your insanely excessive mailbombing of the list should be written off as foolish high spirits will no doubt have been turned completely against you by your frankly mindboggling inability to understand that you did something wrong. Hopefully anyone who lodged complaints with your so-called ISP has followed up with examples of this ridiculous intractability, and copied Lazlo on all mails. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Subject: Re: (klf) (OT) Avalanches Date: 13 Jun 2001 16:52:54 +1000 bi11i wrote: > > hey, i've got the original 10 minute sample set from frontier psychiatrist > if anyone is interested... The what now? BTW for Brendan: if the copyright date is 2001, instead of 2000, then that'd be a good indicator that it's the re-release. Not that I actually know whether the date differs, but since the two versions came out in the two different years... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: RE: (klf) (OT) Avalanches Date: 13 Jun 2001 03:10:01 -0600 the 10 minute piece of vinyl of which the main theme of this song came from (from the avalanches.) it's been recorded it in mp3 format.... > > > > hey, i've got the original 10 minute sample set from > frontier psychiatrist > > if anyone is interested... > > The what now? > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stuart.bruce@aardman.com (Stuart Bruce) Subject: Re: (klf) YOu Started buy Spamming the Group. :-} Date: 13 Jun 2001 11:34:32 +0100 rmstringer@netnitco.net writes: >P.s. Stuart, Please don't examine every single word I wrote and give us >all your standard 10 paragraph essay on why I'm wrong OK? Pardon me for trying to make it clear to you with a fair explanation that what you did was a fucking stupid thing to do. If you'd just like me to say "DUMBASS" in big capital letters in a private e-mail to you, I could do that instead. In fact I could send it 2,000 times if you like, spread out over the space of a day or two... If you'd really got the hint you wouldn't have replied. And for what it's worth, I wrote that 10 parargaph essay especially for you, 'cos nobody else has been stupid enough to do something like that before. Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce stuart.bruce@aardman.com tel ext 4269 Get fired! Waste all day at: http://www.angrykid.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Virtanen Mikko Subject: (klf) my klf-page Date: 13 Jun 2001 14:45:48 +0300 Hello list. If someone is interested in KLF & related pics, I've scanned couple of them from Q & Smash Hits to my small KLF-page at http://www.cs.tpu.fi/students/mvirta/jams/ There's also a little Flash-thingy about The KLF that I've made as a practice work for my school. .mikkov # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maarten Bouwes" Subject: (klf) A few Questions Date: 13 Jun 2001 12:27:24 -0000 Hello all, I was just reading through lazlo“s archive and came across the name of Mike Dutton. Now i know he had something to do with video“s etc but it was never clear to me what his relation was towards B&J. His name was mentioned in one sentence with Love Trance (check archive 199901). So therefore my question is who was Mike? Other question. When does the list release LSOM 3? I have got a few songs which I prefer on this cd :) 1) Kiss ep 2) This is not what the klf is about (although ~15 minutes...) 3) 3 am eternal out of Beaumont 4) J&a (tony remix) 5) Brooklyn, new york 6) What time is love (goa mix) 7) STP23 Let Jimmy takeover Maybe this is worth a discussion unless you all think this is not a right idea... ;p Cheers, Maarten _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Kuta" Subject: Re: (klf) A few Questions Date: 13 Jun 2001 14:56:04 +0200 Howdy, Maarten wrote: > Other question. When does the list release LSOM 3? I have got a few songs > which I prefer on this cd :) > 1) Kiss ep > 2) This is not what the klf is about (although ~15 minutes...) > 3) 3 am eternal out of Beaumont > 4) J&a (tony remix) > 5) Brooklyn, new york > 6) What time is love (goa mix) > 7) STP23 Let Jimmy takeover What about "Go To Sleep" or "Build A Fire" in perfect quality? ;)) Or the Scourge remix of Five's "We Will Rock You"? However, I'm just compiling REALLY rare stuff for a CD-release we'll probably do on KLF Online soon. My eyes are open and any suggestions are welcome! Stay tuned. Dan --- DJ Kuta, KLF Online (www.klf.de) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) A few Questions Date: 13 Jun 2001 09:04:31 EDT > I was just reading through lazlo=B4s archive and came across the name of M= ike=20 > Dutton. Now i know he had something to do with video=B4s etc but it was=20 never=20 > clear to me what his relation was towards B&J. His name was mentioned in=20 one=20 > sentence with Love Trance (check archive 199901). So therefore my questio= n=20 > is who was Mike? A semi bastard. :) Created a good quality video compilation but only sent it out to a portion o= f=20 those who paid. Later showed up with a decent cd set called Arkive 1 and 2 then Waiting and=20 White Room Soundtrack. As with the video, he only sent out some. I managed= =20 to get Arkive but never got the other two. But at least I got *something*,=20 unlike many others. Not sure what his ties were to B&J but I have no doubt he had a tight degree= =20 of seperation as he managed to get some rare stuff. > Other question. When does the list release LSOM 3? I have got a few songs= =20 > which I prefer on this cd :) I beleive the idea is to issue Who Killed the JAMs on cd and they aren't=20 being offered until they are pressed and ready to send out. Not sure if the= =20 plan is still on as it's been a while. > 1) Kiss ep That's the Orb > 3) 3 am eternal out of Beaumont On Chill Out. > 4) J&a (tony remix) Album version > 7) STP23 Let Jimmy takeover No real KLF affiliation other than appearing on Eternity Project. Jimi is=20 Hendrix, not Cauty. :) -paul Currently in rotation: Proclaimers - Persevere; David Byrne - Look Into the=20 Eyeball; Lo Fidelity All Stars - On the Floor at the Boutique; Utah Saints -= =20 Wired World; Pet Shop Boys - Further Listening "...and the lights went out in his eyes for the very last time." ~ Douglas Adams 1952-2001 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maarten Bouwes" Subject: Re: Re: (klf) A few Questions Date: 13 Jun 2001 13:44:14 -0000 > > 1) Kiss ep > >That's the Orb Wasn“t Cauty thé founding member of the Orb? As the press release says: Recorded live in trancentral mobile one (...) Produced by two fat belgians. This is cauty era. > > 3) 3 am eternal out of Beaumont > >On Chill Out. There has never been a seperate release of this song (ok, the others haven“t been released seperately (maybe madrugada, but not as it appears on eternity)) and I think of it as ONE of the BEST KLF songs ever ;)(u should listen to it when u have used magic mushrooms ;))) ) > > 4) J&a (tony remix) Did I said tony? I meant Tammy (especially for the "they travel the world...) > > 7) STP23 Let Jimmy takeover > >No real KLF affiliation other than appearing on Eternity Project. Jimi is >Hendrix, not Cauty. :) Ok, that“s fair :) Discotec2000 hasn“t got klf affilation either like kiss ep but it was recorded also @ trancentral. Then I must say Robo-bop - bang me baby :) (recorded @ trancentral) About using songs which have only had the involvement of Cauty i“ll be short; They should be used anyways only because of the fact that it“s relatively klf related. I mean how related is zed? ;) Maarten _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: (klf) HTML E-mails (OT) Date: 13 Jun 2001 11:39:28 EDT Does everyone remember I was asking about changing this list to accept HTML e-mails. Well I've just found this really cool program on the net that gets round it :) :) :). It doesn't fix AOL 6.0 from sending HTML e-mails but it does mean that I don't have to mess around using AOL Mail 2.0 and waiting for pages to download and logging in each time I want to send a message. If anyone else on AOL is interested I'll tell you what you do:- Go to Downloads.com and search for a program called eNetBot, eNetBot allows you to access AOL e-mail via POP3 (the standard internet e-mail messaging service). Download eNetBot and either a. Buy it (recommended) or b. check out astalavista.com (ideal if you live in the UK and don't have Mastercard or Visa so can't pay for stuff in $'s i.e. me!) to stop eNetBot winging about a 30 day trial. Then get a POP3 e-mail package (Outlook Express, Outlook, Pegasus Mail, Netscape, ICQ, etc, etc) and add a new POP3 account when it asks for the POP3 server and the SMTP server put in aol.enetbot.com and for the username and password enter your screenname and your screennames password (also in eNetBot you have to add your username and password), don't worry about hackers getting to your password AOL's "security" has probably already let them have it anyway :D , and as long as eNetBot is running when you want to send and receive e-mails (it adds itself to the Startup folder) and you are connected to the net then you can use your favourite e-mail program for your e-mail instead of putting up with AOL's rubbish (added advantages include - sending of non HTML e-mails (EXCELLENT!!), filter messages on there subjects/content not just on the sender (SUPERB FILTER SPAM!!!!), being able to use ICQ properly with the e-mail functions enabled, and many more) . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (klf) A few Questions Date: 13 Jun 2001 17:05:09 +0100 > I was just reading through lazlo“s archive and came across the > name of Mike > Dutton. Now i know he had something to do with video“s etc but it > was never > clear to me what his relation was towards B&J. His name was > mentioned in one > sentence with Love Trance (check archive 199901). So therefore my > question > is who was Mike? Mike Dutton used to sell second-hand records/cds/videos by mail order for some time (late 80's/early 90's), and used to specialise in rare KLF/Orb/Orbital/Shamen/techno stuff. Previously, I used to buy quite a bit of second hand stuff from him, and he always subsequently delivered the items to me and on time. Together with second-hand stuff, he also used to compile bootlegs of KLF/Orb stuff... The ones I know he had a hand in were the "White Room Demos" tape (with the cartoon Bill & Jimmy cover), a t-shirt of the same cartoon Bill & Jimmy cover, the "Italian import" of the "Madrugada Eterna" 12", and the infamous KLF compilation video, which included virtually all videos (TOTP appearances, promo vids, pre-KLF stuff, Waiting, Rites Of Mu, and the Stadium House Trilogy) all on one tape. Subsequent people who ordered stuff from him in the early 90's complained to the list that they never received the Video tape, and that he wasn't trustworthy... ...And then in the mid 90's, he reappeared again on the internet. He was compiling a set of KLF bootleg CD's (the "Arkive" (sp?)) CD's, and also a (repress?) of the the bootleg KLF compilation video. Some people got theirs, but the vast majority didn't. In the meantime, he subsequently moved house (to where, I've no idea), and never answered any e-mails. I *believe* (people who actually ordered will be able to confirm), that the money was sent (and subsequently cashed), but the CD's/videos were never sent out. He came out with all sorts of lame excuses (pressing plant delays, no time, etc), and promised to send the remaining CD's/videos out, but never did... Maybe he got nicked in the process? (Let's hope so!) And then, around the same time, Marek started undertaking a similar project (similar CD's, MPEGs of videos on CD's, etc), but seems to have gone the same way as Mike Dutton. Apparently, some of the list actually received their CD's, but a large majority didn't... Oh well... l8rs, Nick King ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) A few Questions Date: 14 Jun 2001 04:29:37 > >Or the Scourge remix of Five's "We Will Rock You"? > I *really* want to hear this one. Has anyone heard it? And if so, how? Was is on a promo? I'd prefer than a LSOM3 had only true KLF stuff on it though... Chad Gombosi Member SCP www.scponline.net Chad's Game Music Page www.chadsgamemusic.com MP3.com page: www.mp3.com/signofzeta "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: twenty three Subject: (klf) The Books Of Mu Date: 14 Jun 2001 01:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Hello everybody, has anyone read the books of James Churchword (Lost Continent Of Mu, Children Of Mu, Sacred Symbols Of Mu, Cosmic Forces Of Mu, 2nd Book Cosmic Forces, Understanding Mu) and related titles? Are they understandable in written style? (Okay, it's not science, but some sort of "parascience", is it) Or out of this world? Thanks in advance. Bernd C. Meier BCM ===== y23y appears courtesy of y23y Enterprises y23y Enterprises appears courtesy of y23y y23y sometimes known as y23 Entertainment __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Billie Wheatley" Subject: (klf) Alex Patterson Interview Date: 14 Jun 2001 12:00:36 Hi again, There's something up with this list, Ive tried sending this 6 times now and its not much fun having to resend all the time. Is it because its a large file that it wont go out to the list? I tried it first with 'word' attachments and it said to convert it to plain text, so i did and still no luck.... This time Im breaking it in half. Anyway, I must thank many of you for the overwhelming response to my last posting re: 'Chill Out' throat singing; 'LTTT Mu D remix'; and Alex P vs Jimmy C - space. Twas all very helpful. I received some interest from 'Brendan' regarding the interview with Alex P that I mentioned. (sorry for forgetting to attach it last time Brendan). I managed to get the text of the article as well as the actual interview transcript. with this one, the article is attached. Let me know what you think, and please note the copyright message at the bottom (haha ironic isnt it). Love is timeless. Billie Jazz P.S. Glad to see we've all calmed down a bit. THE ORB By Jo Vraca Fifteen minutes with Alex Patterson. Fifteen minutes to ask him about The Orb's new album, 'Cydonia. My fifteen minutes to attempt not to fawn, not to coo, not to tell him that I hadn't slept an entire night, going through old Orb vinyl, making sure I had left no stone unturned. And then, what do you ask a man who's had every question launched at him over a decade-long career? "So, are you actually Bill Drummond from KLF?" "I'm actually Bill Drummond?" he laughs. "Well, that's a good one but I'm not. What can I say?" You could say that it was a fine moment in music journalism. Indeed. But, in fact, the thought of talking to Patterson is daunting. In a recent interview with The Guardian, he was distant, angry, made threats to the journalist. I thanked my lucky stars that he was just on the other end of a very distant phone line but expected much the same nonetheless. Because The Orb, along with KLF, redefined the way in which audiences listened to music in the late 80s and early 90s, transforming everyday sounds like trains, cows and beats into what Bill Drummond would term Ambient House, a name that has stuck with Patterson for more than a decade. The Orb, it is suggested, killed the beat of acid house and took it to a laid-back, floaty, spliff-smoking state of awareness. It was a sound that Patterson, along with KLF's Jim Cauty, bandied about at Paul Oakenfold's Land of Oz. Add to that Patterson's 'ambientathon' 6-hour set at KLF's Trancentral HQ which was located in a London squat and the result is much of KLF's much-lauded 'Chill Out' album. Although, this information is flighty. And before his falling out with Cauty, the two recorded 'Space', originally an Orb album but, when problems ensued, Cauty held onto the masters, allegedly removed Alex's input and the rare album was subsequently released on KLF Communications. But as Patterson admits, he has an original recording of the album although it's unlikely to ever see life outside his living room. As well as inspiring a generation of spliff-rollers, The Orb also caught the attention of rock-DJ Robbie Williams during an appearance on Top of the Pops which saw Patterson and, then Orb partner, Thrash playing a game of chess before the cameras. And that's where rock-DJ Robbie Williams first saw the band. "He saw us on Top of the Pops and he said, whatever we were on, he wanted to be on with us. I saw that as a big complement really because I think we were actually quite off our tits when we went on Top of the Pops. We were told not to drink brandy at 12 o'clock in the morning… We were told not to drink it out of a bottle so we just poured it into coke cans. Just going back to school kids." He sounds much more like a mischievous boy as he recounts the tale belying his 40-odd years. What resulted was a collaboration with Williams. Odd. "Yeah but that was for charity," he's almost indignant and I remember I'm on the other side of the planet and cross myself. "We didn't get any money. It went to homeless boys in Northern England. All the proceeds went to that. Again, you only get half the story. They make it sound like we're working with Robbie Williams. He's actually, genuinely a really nice bloke. He's in great danger of being fucked over by the industry." Ah, the Industry. It's more than a contentious issue for the Orb. Cydonia, the first release by The Orb in three years was completed more than one year ago. The reasons for the wait are varied. He's had a baby, Mia with partner Louise - a baby which he admits was conceived on a houseboat at Earthcore during the millennium festivities. "It was in that eight day period. I was having a good time… it was a brilliant time." But there are also other reasons as he explains in no uncertain terms. "The reason was because Universal brought up Island. It's been a big… have you seen the Courtney Love scenario with Universal? If you read up about that, we're very similar circumstances. But the circumstance that we're in ourselves is that we have no money to actually get off the label whereas she has. She can actually go to court and be a mouthpiece for bands like ourselves who are just doing really basically. It's a bit like a vodka company looking after a load of bands but not shipping out the vodka and leaving all the vodka in the warehouse and no-one can buy it… I'm just happy that the album's come out and in a way I'll be really happy if it doesn't do well because then I'll get dropped by Universal. That's what kind of situation I find myself in." As Patterson puts it, Cydonia, whose cover features a seal balancing a pyramid on its nose in an ode to the US dollar bill, ("and it's so obvious but not and that's the beauty of what we do, but it's that stupid Masonic connection."), is a "throwback to Ultraworld' with its textures and limitless sounds. With a tribal remix of 'Little Fluffy Clouds' by Danny Tenaglia on 'Once More', the first single lifted from the album, both the old Orb and new are represented. The Bedrock remix of Once More, features not one sampled vocal (unlike the legally-wrought 'Little Fluffy Clouds' which sampled Rickie Lee Jones) and instead sees a new role for Patterson who co-wrote the lyrics with vocalist Aki Omori. "[There are] so many different sonic sounds on [the album] and the fact that I used probably four engineers as opposed to one or two and there's a variety of sounds and textures. There's only one 4/4 tune on there. We're working on vocals for the first time as opposed to samples. I've been writing songs for that which is quite inspiring in a way." Cydonia is not user-friendly but who expects The Orb to be? What it is, is a return to The Orb of old; spacious, broad, genre-defying ambient house. Were you expecting anything less? While there have been countless releases, many airy, spacious, languid such as the 1989 Cauty/Patterson collaboration 'Huge Ever-Growing Pulsating Brain from the Centre of the Universe' or the timeless 'Blue Room' which, at 39 minutes and 58 seconds, is the longest track to have charted in the UK, many still claim that Patterson can't play a single musical instrument, hence the countless collaborations with ex-Killing Joke, Youth and System 7 for example. But, put simply, Patterson is an image-maker and has altogether different notions concerning his musical repertoire. "We were only there to prove to people that you can actually do things. You can get of your asses and do something if you want to. You don't have to just sit there and listen to other people doing it and moan about it. We created our own thing so you can moan about us ten years later. I suppose the main point would be knowing how musical I could become at the very beginning of The Orb through my DJing and sampling ideas. It's opened up a big doorway. For me, I find that it's still going on, I'm finding that I'm still having surprises within this industry - some good some bad but they're still surprises from a creative perspective. In the last three months I've been out with an African band, I've been out with a reggae band, playing live on stage with them. It's really good fun - others are from South Africa or from Jamaica. And that's the beauty of coming from Britain or coming from London, there are a lot of cultures that clash here. They don't clash in a racist way, they clash in a… it's like a big melting pot - that's the word I'm looking for." Patterson's ideas involved, and still do involve, manipulation. As someone has said, he's the "millennial Lewis Carroll." He laughs as he recalls the early Orb and KLF sessions. "We were manipulating people every weekend, I suppose and coming out with these … ideas of doing gigs, music in the front room on a Sunday afternoon and inviting friends around for tea. Whereas people would be going into studios and spending thousands of pounds, our first single, we mastered it off a Second Generation audiocassette. You can do it; you can fool people if you want to. It's about giving kids confidence to get off their asses and go 'well if he can fucking well do it…'" And as the interview drew to an end, quite abruptly thanks to the third party who informed that another interviewer was waiting and that I should hang up now, I think, in the paraphrased words of Andy Warhol, Alex Patterson has had his 15 minutes. But what happened to mine? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Billie Wheatley" Subject: (klf) Alex Patterson Interview Date: 14 Jun 2001 12:04:09 ....And now for the Interview... Billie JAzz Alex Patterson interview transcript - interview on March 7, 2001 Hi Alex, how are you? Alright, how are you? I had this idea of trying to get through our chat without mentioning either KLF or Little Fluffy Clouds but that's just ridiculous. I've come up with this theory that you're actually Bill Drummond. I'm actually Bill Drummond? [laughs] Well, that's a good one but I'm not. What can I say? Do you consider yourself a bit of an anarchist? It just comes through. In a recent interview, you talked about squat culture and that society's been eaten up by capitalism. But aren't you part of that? And doesn't it feel good to be part of that? Part of what? Capitalism, making money… You don't have to be a capitalist to make money. You don't have to be sucked into this whole society bit. And is it that good? Is it that good that society keeps so much away from people? We're led to believe, till 200 years ago, we thought the earth was fucking flat. That's crap, that's absolute crap. They believe in divide and conquer. That's why they're so scared of the computer. Unfortunately, it can only go to middle England. You don't get the grass roots level of hip hop kids getting into computers. Only to make music now but they won't be sitting online like a middle England type person. (I think that's what he said). You know what I'm saying? This is my first interview so I've got to get going. [laughs] You just woke me up as well. Hey I've only been up for about 20 minutes myself. But back to anarchy, in 1992 you said that Orb music doesn't reflect the times, it ignores them. Through making 39 minute tracks and that sort of thing, is that your way of saying, leave me alone, I don't want to be part of that? [laughs] We are what we are. There's a constant group of people who are interested in what we do which the record companies don't understand at all. Why not? Because they're part of the capitalist revolution in the music industry. They just want to … bubblegum music and throw it in the bin after two weeks and then get another bunch of kids to come in and make it look pretty. We all know that, boy girl bands now are just so big. It hasn't started yet really… But even you've worked with Robbie Williams… [somewhat indignant] Yeah but that was for charity. We didn't get any money. It went to homeless boys in Northern England. All the proceeds went to that. Again, you only get half the story. They make it sound like we're working with Robbie Williams. He's actually, genuinely a really nice bloke. He's in great danger of being fucked over by the industry. How did it come about? He saw us on Top of the Pops and he said, whatever we were on, he wanted to be on with us. I saw that as a big complement really because I think we were actually quite off our tits when we went on Top of the Pops. We were told not to drink brandy at 12 o'clock in the morning. So did you? We were told not to drink it out of a bottle so we just poured it into coke cans. [like a mischievous little boy]. Just going back to school kids. By working with him, for example, you have entered the realm of pop culture… By doing Top of the Pops we entered pop culture, by having a top 10 we entered pop culture. Do you like being part of pop culture? It's like the Bill Drummond scenario. We were only there as the [laughable sight ?] … to prove to people that you can actually do things. You can get of your asses and do something if you want to. You don't have to just sit there and listen to other people doing it and moan about it. We created our own thing so you can moan about us ten years later. So was that the point of making it? Yeah, I suppose the main point would be that even knowing how musical I could become at the very beginning of The Orb through my DJing and sampling ideas. It's opened up a big doorway. For me, I find that it's still going on, I'm finding that I'm still having surprises within this industry - some good some bad but they're still surprises. From a more creative perspective or in general? From a creative perspective. In the last three months I've been out with an African band, I've been out with a reggae band, playing live on stage with them. It's really good fun - others are from South Africa or from Jamaica. And that's the beauty of coming from Britain or coming from London, there are a lot of culture that clash here. They don't clash in a racist way, they clash in a… it's like a big melting pot - that's the word I'm looking for. You've been described as a millennial Lewis Carrol… [laughs] A what? A millennial Lewis Carrol. A lot of the interview with you, from the writer's perpective, are wanky - they use really high brow terms, talking about language and sound manipulation, they talk about you as spacey and floaty and otherworldly - has The Orb and yourself been lumped with this because you make trippy music… [laughs] Yeah I suppose so, that could become a stigma after a while. That's the nature of the beats. We came up with, in fact Bill Drummond came up with the quote - Ambient House. At the time, KLF was like a sister label because Jimmy was in The Orb and KLF. We were manipulating people every weekend, I suppose and coming out with these … ideas of doing gigs, music in the front room on a Sunday afternoon and inviting friends around for tea. Whereas people would be going into studios and spending thousands of pounds, our first single, we mastered it off a second generation audio cassette. You can do it, you can fool people if you want to. It's about giving kids confidence to get off their asses and go 'well if he can fucking well do it…' [laughs] Are people doing that? Taking risks? A lot of my mates didn't in that sense. A lot of my friends didn't but a lot of my friends did. A couple of really good mates from London they set up their own, they wanted to do album covers. So I said, alright you can do the next Orb album which was Orb 93 and then they just got inundated by doing loads of album covers for 5-6 years and they became really successful. But it's the initial jumping. It's difficult but it's almost like getting up and looking for the remote on your TV, it's the most difficult thing but once you've found it, you can do anything. Do you think that people take you too seriously? Well that's their own problem [laughs]. Doesn't it create a bit of pressure for you? Ummm… I've had odd moments in my life when I've been like 'my God, that's scary'. I got off a plain in the middle of no-where in Iceland and this porter came up to get the luggage and said 'hold on, I know who you are' and went and got my luggage for me and gave it to me before I got to the terminal. That was really odd. I heard about the tattoo in Florida. Yeah that was just really odd as well. [laughs] It that something that's lacking from dance music today. You were manipulating sound and language through subliminal messages and unusual things you did such as FT Explores Satan. What's the FT? The FT is … which is the turnaround of the Financial Times. Makes sense now doesn't it? Oh… now see, that's what's lacking today. Does is have to be thought provoking. Well that's the scary bit. I've done an album cover with a seal balancing a pyramid on its head and no-one has said to me 'oh I know what that is'. I've had said 'oh that's a brilliant cover, a seal, pyramid' and I've gone 'dollar bill' and they're 'fuck, oh yeah'. And it's so obvious but not and that's the beauty of what we do, but it's that stupid Masonic connection. What's your current conspiracy theory? Steve Hillage told em you're into all that. Yeah, I suppose I am. I don't know, I don't know. The whole thing can be a conspiracy - the IRA bombing outside the BBC television centre can be a conspiracy, the so-called Israelis who send out their soldiers to be shot, to be stoned or shot at by Palestinians or they shoot Palestinians - that whole thing's a conspiracy. It's just there to manipulate us to feel sorry for one side or the other. Alex Patterson being Bill Drummond, that's a bit of a conspiracy. Indeed it is. We've both got Scottish roots. You won't convince me of that one. Let's talk about your new album for a bit. Why did Cydonia take so long to be released? I heard it on the houseboat over a year ago. We've had a baby since then. Yes I know and I heard it was conceived at Earthcore as well. We conceived it on the houseboat. It was in that eight day period. Oh God, I was probably downstairs. You never know. I was having a good time anyway. You looked as though you were. It was a brilliant time. What happened with the album? The reason was because Universal brought up Island. It's been a big… have you seen the Courtney Love scenario with Universal? If you read up about that, we're very similar circumstances. But the circumstances that we're in ourselves is that we have no money to actually get off the label whereas she has. She can actually go to court and be a mouthpiece for bands like ourselves who are just doing really basically. It's a bit like a vodka company looking after a load of bands but not shipping out the vodka and leaving all the vodka in the warehouse and no-one can buy it. Great analogy. What do you think of the album? Me personally, it is a throwback to Ultraworld in a sense that there's so many different sonic sounds on there and the fact that I used probably four engineers as opposed to one or two and there's a varity of sounds and textures. There's only one 4/4 tune on there, the rest are pretty… we're working on vocals for the first time as opposed to samples. I've been writing songs for that which is quite inspiring in a way and… I'm just happy that the album's come out and in a way I'll be really happy if it doesn't do well because then I'll get dropped by Universal. That's what kind of situation I find myself in. And on another note, you should really check out badorb.com as well if you want to find out any new developments in the Orb camp. [interruption from telephone company - I'm sorry to interrupt guys, I've got to put the next interviewer through now if you could hang up] Okay Jo, take it easy. Thanks Alex, bye. Copyright - Jo Vraca (288 Brunswick Street Fitzroy, VIC, Australia, 3065. Phone +61 3 9411 4042) Not to be transferred or used in any manner without prior written consent of the interviewer. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ulrik Brandt" Subject: (klf) Strawberry Switchblade Date: 14 Jun 2001 21:35:24 +0200 Doing some "research" on the net I found this album: Strawberry Switchblade: "Since Yesterday" released 1999. http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Aes3gtq5z9u44 for further details. Bill Drummond is credited as producer (David Balfe has co-written one of the songs, so it must be Bill "Kingboy D" Drummond, and not the other "bill drummond"-guy, working with jazz). What is this, it seems like a re-release of another SS-album from 1985 (just named "Strawberry Switchblade") with added bonustracks (Bill is not credited for THIS release, and nor is Balfe) http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Aesu06j4871l0 for details on original album Any idea what this is, and what songs Bill was involved in???? Ulrik BTW: Some guy on a non-KLF-list means that Jimmy and Tony recently did a "garage"-mix of 3.AM (he said that he got the record by a very reliable source) I'm working on further details, other inputs welcome!!! Salsa Claus is Coming to Town # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maarten Bouwes" Subject: (klf) A few Questions Date: 14 Jun 2001 22:06:40 -0000 List, Thusfar I have received a few emails concering LSOM 3 but not enough to make a proper decision. Are you all really interested or don“t you give a shite? Please let me know. Cheers, Maarten _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: Re: (klf) Alex Patterson Interview Date: 15 Jun 2001 00:56:22 +1000 > There's something up with this list, Ive tried sending > this 6 times now and its not much fun having to resend > all the time. Is it because its a large file that it > wont go out to the list? yes. no attachments allowed. > I tried it first with 'word' attachments and > it said to convert it to plain text, so i did and still no > luck.... This time Im breaking it in half. there seems to be a limit on how big a txt msg can be sent to the list. i'm not sure at what point it kicks in, but 20k is too large. BTW: just cos i'm curious, and reply by email is probably a better option, but who on the list currently pays bandwidth charges. ie - the more you get sent, the more you have to pay. cheers brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David A" Subject: (klf) I was bored so here ya go . . . (Scooter) Date: 15 Jun 2001 10:38:16 +0200 Hi, A picture from Scooter's official homepage..reminds you of something? http://scooter.gi.eulink.de/gallery/gall_9.htm Regards, David A. *now playin' : Scooter - We Bring The Noise* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Haslock Subject: (klf) Slightly off topic Date: 15 Jun 2001 09:41:31 +0100 Just been listening to Massive Attack v Mad Professor and noticed some rather of the best use of 'throat singing' that I've heard since Chill Out. It's on the second track, "Bumper ball dub" Rich **************************************************************************** LOGICSCOPE REALISATIONS LTD, 64 Great Eastern St, London EC2A 3QR The information contained in this document is intended only for the addressee.It may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material.You may not review, retransmit, disseminate, publish or otherwise use or rely on the information in this document unless you are its intended recipient.If you have received this document in error, Please contact the sender and delete all copies of this material. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuey and Michelle Subject: Re: (klf) Strawberry Switchblade Date: 16 Jun 2001 00:08:27 +1200 Drummond was also A&R man for the Strawberry Switchblade girls - 2 Glaswegians who dressed in a cross between goth and bubblegum pop. Since Yesterday was also the title of their first (biggest?) hit single. I don't know which tracks on their LP he produced. during his time at Warners, Drummond also did A&R for the Proclaimers, Brilliant, and Zodiac Mindwarp and the Love Reaction (this was 84-86). cheers Stuey Ulrik Brandt wrote: > Doing some "research" on the net I found this album: > Strawberry Switchblade: "Since Yesterday" released 1999. > > http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Aes3gtq5z9u44 for further details. > > Bill Drummond is credited as producer (David Balfe has co-written one of > the songs, so it must be Bill "Kingboy D" Drummond, and not the other "bill > drummond"-guy, working with jazz). > What is this, it seems like a re-release of another SS-album from 1985 > (just named "Strawberry Switchblade") with added bonustracks (Bill is not > credited for THIS release, and nor is Balfe) > http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Aesu06j4871l0 for details on > original album this space is just so Lazlo's mailing list software doesn't block this mssg -- Stuart Young and Michelle Ardern, say.map@ihug.co.nz 66a Sackville Street, Tel: +64 (0)9 376 8100 Grey Lynn, Auckland, NZ Stuey is webmaster of the New Zealand Green Party: http://www.greens.org.nz/ And webmaster of his own personal website too: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~stuey/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maarten Bouwes" Subject: (klf) LSOM 3 Date: 15 Jun 2001 16:12:42 -0000 List, Did I said that I was going to make those cd“s? Nah, I was just awaiting YOUR opinion. If that“s the opinion iuris then we“ll have to find a person who is going to have the cd“s pressed. Thanks nyways for the orders I received thusfar, but I can“t do shite with it so please don“t send me any orders. But please, don“t sit back and relax and wait untill the cd just pops up. We haven“t got a(n) 1) tracklist 2) front 3) back 4) inlay 5) idea of the whole cd. So, lets first see who really is interested in a release of another lsom, next is to decide what we need for a tracklist and further on we need a person who can take care of the pressing of the cd. Maarten _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ford Timelord Subject: (klf) Kompetition Date: 17 Jun 2001 09:30:53 +0200 Hi listmembers, y23y shared two new tracks to our community. They are downloadable now at http://www.klf.exit.de Over and Out Mr. Kompetition # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Coward" Subject: RE: (klf) Strawberry Switchblade Date: 17 Jun 2001 22:23:17 +0100 I've got the album "Strawberry Switchblade" and there's a "Thanks to David Balfe and Bill Drummond" credit on the inner sleeve but production is handled by David Motion but for one track which is produced by Phil Thornalley. The album (which is very so-so) came with a free single - the sublime "Trees And Flowers". Both sides of this single have the credit "Produced by Bill Drummond/Dave Balfe". The single was apparently "Originally available on the 92 Happy Customers Label". I think I first heard the track on one of John Peel's Festive 50s. I had no idea BD was involved. I bought the album as it was, at the time, the only way I knew of getting the single. Simon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thug5@optusnet.com.au Subject: (klf) Jimmy's LOTR poster & Policty of Truth Date: 19 Jun 2001 01:08:03 +1000 Greetings to all, With the release of first Lord of the Rings movie due in only 6 months, the merchandising is in full steam. The books have been reprinted, you can buy the board game, the role playing game, the audio books, the limited edition this-that- and-the-other, etc. ad nauseam. And of course, amongst all this, Jimmy's Lord of the Rings poster has been reprinted and is turning up in shops around London and no doubt elsewhere. I grabbed a nice new copy, about 3 feet by 5 feet for under 5 quid at "The Orc's Nest" in Soho. Incidentally, HMV in Oxford street had a big display up for a number of Depeche Mode reissues that have just be released. The "Policy of Truth" single still mislabels the "Pavlov's Dub" mix as the "Trancentral Mix". Michael # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stuart.bruce@aardman.com (Stuart Bruce) Subject: (klf) Shag Times rerelease Date: 18 Jun 2001 16:20:04 +0100 A big *sorry* if this has been mentioned before. Action Records (http://www.action-records.co.uk/ ) sends out a list of new releases and new items in stock every week, and this week among the list was "Shag Times", as a 2LP. This could be a second-hand copy that they've gotten their hands on, or a mint original they've dug up from somewhere, or it might be another one of the quite long string of represses of KLF vinyl? Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce stuart.bruce@aardman.com tel ext 4269 Get fired! Waste all day at: http://www.angrykid.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Kuta" Subject: (klf) Levellers CD Date: 18 Jun 2001 19:35:17 +0200 Hi y'all, just got the Levellers' "Belaruse" single CD. "Wow," you might think. But what please is track two? 2 "Subvert (Live at Trancentral)" Any infos on this one? Thanks a lot, Dan --- DJ Kuta, KLF Online (www.klf.de) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Bruce Subject: (klf) Crystal Method Date: 18 Jun 2001 20:19:16 +0100 (BST) There's a new Crystal Method album coming out, called "Tweekend". I haven't heard it yet but apparently it's as good as the first album, "Vegas", several of the tracks on which are decidedly stadium house. I got a pretty disappointing response a few months back when I asked other people to recommend 'stadium house'-style music in the style of the KLF, so I thought I'd take it upon myself to make some suggestions if and when I found them... The new Way Out West album is damn good too. Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://groups.yahoo.com/group/utahsaints/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jboy" Subject: Re: (klf) Jimmy's LOTR poster & Policty of Truth Date: 18 Jun 2001 20:35:26 +0100 > And of course, amongst all this, Jimmy's Lord of the Rings poster has been > reprinted and is turning up in shops around London and no doubt elsewhere. I > grabbed a nice new copy, about 3 feet by 5 feet for under 5 quid at "The Orc's > Nest" in Soho. > has anyone got a scan of this?.... or a description.... so i know what to look for... jboy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Kuta" Subject: Re: (klf) Crystal Method Date: 18 Jun 2001 21:44:12 +0200 > There's a new Crystal Method album coming out, called "Tweekend". I > haven't heard it yet but apparently it's as good as the first album, > "Vegas", several of the tracks on which are decidedly stadium house. I really love their first album!! Hope the new one will meet my expectations... :) Good taste though, Stu Cheers, Dan --- DJ Kuta, KLF Online (www.klf.de) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) Shag Times rerelease Date: 18 Jun 2001 16:02:51 EDT On 18 Jun 2001, at 16:24, Stuart Bruce wrote: > This could be a second-hand copy that they've gotten their hands on, or a > mint original they've dug up from somewhere, or it might be another one of > the quite long string of represses of KLF vinyl? I used to live in Preston where Action Records are from and when I lived there they kept turning up with unusual hard to find records. Most of the time they are second hand copies, although sometimes they'll do a Virgin where they display a record that is available on order yet when they try and order it, they don't actually get it in. In 1997 they put ***K The Millennium on that list yet when I went to buy it they couldn't get hold of it (Our Price had it on display!) . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) Shag Times rerelease Date: 18 Jun 2001 16:03:57 EDT On 18 Jun 2001, at 16:24, Stuart Bruce wrote: > This could be a second-hand copy that they've gotten their hands on, or a > mint original they've dug up from somewhere, or it might be another one of > the quite long string of represses of KLF vinyl? I used to live in Preston where Action Records are from and when I lived there they kept turning up with unusual hard to find records. Most of the time they are second hand copies, although sometimes they'll do a Virgin where they display a record that is available on order yet when they try and order it, they don't actually get it in. In 1997 they put ***K The Millennium on that list yet when I went to buy it they couldn't get hold of it (Our Price had it on display!) . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Lee" Subject: Re: (klf) Levellers CD Date: 18 Jun 2001 21:58:31 +0100 And the link is...Scott Piering plugged for them both Couldn't resist an Appearing mention this month! Andy PS Once I destroyed four boxes of warped Shag Times - 100 double albums all smashed and skipped by myself 'cos they were stored too near the radiator in the cramped Appearing office - sweet dreams list lovers! > > Hi y'all, > > just got the Levellers' "Belaruse" single CD. > > "Wow," you might think. But what please is track two? > > 2 "Subvert (Live at Trancentral)" > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Gagen Subject: (klf) OT Pet Shop Boys re-releases Date: 18 Jun 2001 16:35:20 -0500 Someone mentioned these last week. Is the 11.99 UKP a new release price? Will it increase if I don't buy now. "Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry." D. Banner DONALD D GAGEN MAILTO:DGAGEN@ENSEMBLESTUDIOS.COM ENSEMBLE STUDIOS http://www.ensemblestudios.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) Shag Times rerelease Date: 18 Jun 2001 22:07:07 >This could be a second-hand copy that they've gotten their hands on, or a >mint original they've dug up from somewhere, or it might be another one of >the quite long string of represses of KLF vinyl? > By the way, has the list as a whole, come up with a solid theory as to what these "re-issues" really are? I got the Chill Out one sent to me from a friend, and while it's not the real thing, it's not obviously fake either, where as all other KLF bootlegs have been (messed colors and purposeful mis-spellings, etc) Add that to the fact that major chain stores that would never knowingly touch a bootleg seem to be carrying it, and I think maybe B&J went back on thier whole "we deleated our back catalogue" thing. Either way I want them all since the only real KLF Coms vinyl I have are IGUN, and WTIL vs. Moody Boys. Chad Gombosi Member SCP www.scponline.net Chad's Game Music Page www.chadsgamemusic.com MP3.com page: www.mp3.com/signofzeta "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) OT Pet Shop Boys re-releases Date: 18 Jun 2001 18:10:11 EDT > Someone mentioned these last week. Is the 11.99 UKP a new release price? > Will it increase if I don't buy now. A true Brit might be better off telling you, but my wife, who is one, says in the UK they price things differently than the US. Where a new releases comes out full price then gradually goes down, rather than starting out on sale and going to full after a few weeks. But without the VAT it comes to 10.20ukp each which is a pretty good price and I doubt theyd get lower. Apparently some places are selling them for a low as 9.99 (=/- VAT I don't know). -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) OT Pet Shop Boys re-releases Date: 18 Jun 2001 18:39:32 EDT In the UK it depends where you shop, HMV and Virgin are likely to charge about 14-15UKP for a new release either double or single CD. Asda usually beats them with an 11.99UKP price tag on single CD's (14.99UKP for double) But the cheapest I've seen has to be Music Box (they have some stores, mainly in London and Liverpool) or you can order online - all single album chart CD's 9.99UKP + 1UKP P&P to anywhere in the UK. You can see there website at http://www.musicbox.uk.co (no I haven't made a mistake there website is ".uk.co" not ".co.uk") >> Someone mentioned these last week. Is the 11.99 UKP a new release >>price? >> Will it increase if I don't buy now.  It's more likely to DECREASE than INCREASE! >A true Brit might be better off telling you, but my wife, who is one, says in  >the UK they price things differently than the US. Where a new releases >comes out full price then gradually goes down, rather than starting out on >sale and going to full after a few weeks.  In the UK new chart singles start off really cheap (like 99p) and then when they get into the chart (usually there released on Monday and get in to the chart the following Sunday) then they go to full price (2.99/3.99UKP), as for albums. Albums usually start off at 9.99UKP and stay there, however if you buy your albums from certain shops (i.e. Virgin, Our Price, Andy's Records, HMV just to name a few) they usually start at about 14.99-15.99 and drop to 9.99 and then end up in the bargain basement ("3 for a tenor" and things like that) . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Snarfy Subject: (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit Date: 18 Jun 2001 20:18:44 -0400 (EDT) I thought it was just bad that she was touring as the "New KLF" check this page out... http://www.international-artists.com/klf.html pretty scary stuff.. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ditch X" Subject: Re: (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit Date: 18 Jun 2001 22:49:36 -0400 !!!... God help us all! Looks to me like either the deranged writings of Wanda Dee herself, or the writings of an equivalently disturbed fan! I wonder if anything on that page isn't stretching the truth to new lows... -Ditch X # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "happy consumer!" Subject: (klf) rereleases/wanda Date: 18 Jun 2001 21:29:07 -0700 add to the list of rereleases: THE MANUAL. a friend sotted them in a virgin megastore in nyc recently. different cover. published by ellipsis. http://www.ellipsis.com/ amazing that the rereleases are making it past the legal walls it didnt get over the first time around. or are they? by the way, i looked at http://www.international-artists.com/klf.html . "BILL DRUMMOND & JIM CAUTY of The KLF had been around for many years with only moderate underground success, however, their fortunes turned upward when they decided to collaborate with Wanda ..." oh. this article, [probably written by herself]is the most pathetic attept at marketing one's self that i have ever seen. not that i need to convince any of you, but i just cant believe how desperate she is, babbling about how she was on arista/bmg... she'll never let that go. "platinum records now gold, to hang on the walls at home. when the neighbors come round, i'll always break down, repeatin the stories of old". [julian cope is dead] -happyconsumer. Visit the world's greatest site at http://www.farts.com and listen to the fart of the day. Also, get your very own farts.com E-mail account. FREE!!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) rereleases/wanda Date: 19 Jun 2001 01:18:32 EDT > add to the list of rereleases: > THE MANUAL. > > a friend sotted them in a virgin megastore in nyc recently. > different cover. > published by ellipsis. > http://www.ellipsis.com/ This is a confirmed official re-release and has actually been out since late 1998. New afterward by Drummond, in which he documents trying to locate a copy of the book for the re-release after he realizes he doesn't have a copy himself. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1899858652/qid=992927819/sr=1-3/026-5 788792-5878860 -paul Currently in rotation: Art of Mix - Ultra Hot Art 4 (psb); Fatboy Slim - A Break from the Norm; Paul McCartney - Wingspan; ELO - Zoom "...and the lights went out in his eyes for the very last time." ~ Douglas Adams 1952-2001 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stuart.bruce@aardman.com (Stuart Bruce) Subject: (klf) Big Brother's 23 argument Date: 19 Jun 2001 06:44:46 +0100 (off-topic) Last night's Channel 4 "Big Brother" programme in the UK ended with an argument between two of the male housemates (Bubble and Brian, for those who might care) because one of them had been told by Big Brother to take a cut-out sign showing his daughter's birthdate (the 23rd) but the other still had the number "23" above his bed from his 23rd birthday party... Given the premise of the programme it seemed quite appropriate that it should be that particular number, really. Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce stuart.bruce@aardman.com tel ext 4269 Get fired! Waste all day at: http://www.angrykid.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) Re: Wanda Dee takes the credit Date: 19 Jun 2001 01:57:25 -0400 (EDT) I didn't know Wanda was such a superstar. Of course I had never heard of her before KLF or since then except for this crap that I read. I think the writer got it backwards. Wanda being the one with moderate sucess who's career turned upward with her collaboration wih Bill and Jimmy. Now she can run around calling herself the KLF and people actually give her a listen. I'm sure we could all sell out shows and get press if we advertised as the KLF. I think calling her "The Goddess" and the "Black Madonna" is more than a stretch though! By the way, Nicely written article Ms. Dee. I think the Enquirer is hiring. Just my opinion, Doc # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stuart.bruce@aardman.com (Stuart Bruce) Subject: Re(2): (klf) OT Pet Shop Boys re-releases Date: 19 Jun 2001 07:09:38 +0100 Darrenforster99@aol.com writes: > >In the UK it depends where you shop, HMV and Virgin are likely to charge >about 14-15UKP for a new release either double or single CD. >Asda usually beats them with an 11.99UKP price tag on single CD's >(14.99UKP for double) Asda are very unlikely to stock the Pet Shop Boys rereleases- they only stock the 'major' chart albums, the ones that get into the top 10 or so of the album chart. And as you say, Asda charge 14.99ukp for a double CD, and since the CDs being talked about are double CDs, that's the same price as Virgin Megastore are asking. For chart CDs, I recommend http://www.cd-wow.com/ - any CD from the UK top 75 album chart for 8.99ukp *including* postage. But again, they don't have the Pet Shop Boys rereleases (or didn't last time I checked) because none of them got top 75. > >>> Someone mentioned these last week. Is the 11.99 UKP a new release >>>price? >>> Will it increase if I don't buy now. > >It's more likely to DECREASE than INCREASE! No need to shout, especially when that's not necessarily true. 'Specialist' items, which the PSB CDs can easily be called, might start out in fairly easy supply and cost 11.99ukp-ish, but after a short time they'll stop printing any new copies, and then the shops can charge whatever they feel like charging for them- possibly up to 17.99ukp each. It's only if there's an *excess* of stock of a particular album, which is unlikely in the PSB CDs case, that the price will go down in a shop's attempt to get rid of them. > >In the UK new chart singles start off really cheap (like 99p) This is no longer true either. Very occasionally chart singles are on sale for 1.99 in the first week, but nowadays the standard price in the first week is 2.99. Sadly, the days of 99p new release singles are over. >Albums usually start off at 9.99UKP and stay there, This is also now only true of some independent shops, particularly in London, Manchester or Glasgow where there's a lot of competition so the independent shops charge a lower price (cutting their own throats, a little) in order to attract custom. Around most of the country, you won't find new release chart albums for under 11.99. >however if >you buy your albums from certain shops (i.e. Virgin, Our Price, Andy's >Records, HMV just to name a few) they usually start at about 14.99-15.99 That entirely depends on the album, they don't have a fixed price for new release albums. For example, a list of albums recently released and the price Virgin was asking for them: Zoot Woman - 10.99 Orbital - 11.99 Air - 11.99 Mike Oldfield - 12.99 Hits of Eddy Grant - 9.99 (one week only) And *yes*, this is off the top of my head... > >and drop to 9.99 and then end up in the bargain basement ("3 for a tenor" >and things like that) >. 3 for a TENNER. A 'tenor' is somebody like Luciano Pavarotti. And if you're saying that his albums are worth 3 quid then you're ripping yourself off... Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce stuart.bruce@aardman.com tel ext 4269 Get fired! Waste all day at: http://www.angrykid.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Kuta" Subject: Re: (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit Date: 19 Jun 2001 08:50:10 +0200 > I thought it was just bad that she was touring as the "New KLF" > check this page out... > http://www.international-artists.com/klf.html > > pretty scary stuff.. Oh shhhhh.... What does the list think? Maybe EVERYONE should send an email to the people responsible for the page and tell them what's the truth!!! I'll do so and the more people the better. Here's the email addresses: wim@international-artists.com mel@international-artists.com Please don't let Wanda come through with this, okay?!? Thanks, Danny --- DJ Kuta, KLF Online (www.klf.de) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: c-Row@gmx.de Subject: Re: (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit Date: 19 Jun 2001 09:08:30 +0200 (MEST) > I'll do so and the more people the better. Hehe... already sent my own mail to them before receiving your message on the Mailing List... :-) We“ll see what happens. Really curious about their answer. cy@ c-Row -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net -- GMX Tipp: Machen Sie Ihr Hobby zu Geld bei unserem Partner 1&1! http://profiseller.de/info/index.php3?ac=OM.PS.PS003K00596T0409a # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: c-Row@gmx.de Subject: (klf) Wanda Dee news Date: 19 Jun 2001 10:27:26 +0200 (MEST) Just received from International Artists... ----- Good morning, Everything is delivered by the management from Wanda Dee in the USA. E-mail adress: goddessempire@aol.com Best regards, Jacques Lejeune. ----- Nice guy, providing us with the direct email adress, isn“t he ? :-) cy@ c-Row -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net -- GMX Tipp: Machen Sie Ihr Hobby zu Geld bei unserem Partner 1&1! http://profiseller.de/info/index.php3?ac=OM.PS.PS003K00596T0409a # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maarten Bouwes" Subject: Re: (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit Date: 19 Jun 2001 09:37:43 -0000 she writes: "BILL DRUMMOND & JIM CAUTY of The KLF had been around for many years with only moderate underground success, however, their fortunes turned upward when they decided to collaborate with Wanda as both a lyricist & sensuous centrepiece of their acclaimed video presentations, from 1991 thru 1995." Hahahhehe ehh ehzz... As if Wanda Dee made The KLF famous, pff, moderate underground success... FECKING BOLLOCKS, bitch. The result was a fifteen million selling LP ("The White Room" on Arista/BMG) that scored 6 multi-platinum, international #1 singles that went platinum in 77 countries ("3 AM ETERNAL", "NO MORE TEARS", "WHAT TIME IS LOVE", "LAST TRAIN TO TRANCENTRAL", "ALL BOUND FOR MU MU LAND" and "JUSTIFIED & ANCIENT" w/the late legendary First Lady Of Country Music, MISS TAMMY WYNETTE)., AS If she was the result of the multi-platinum sale.... HAHAHhahhehe ehzz erm... Well, what people don“t do nowadays to get into the spoltlights. Cya, Maarten >From: "Ditch X" > >!!!... God help us all! Looks to me like either the deranged writings of >Wanda Dee herself, or the writings of an equivalently disturbed fan! I >wonder if anything on that page isn't stretching the truth to new lows... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit Date: 19 Jun 2001 06:21:59 EDT On 19 Jun 2001, at 10:42, Maarten Bouwes wrote: > she writes: > > "BILL DRUMMOND & JIM CAUTY of The KLF had been around for many years with > only moderate underground success, however, their fortunes turned upward > when they decided to collaborate with Wanda as both a lyricist & sensuous > centrepiece of their acclaimed video presentations, from 1991 thru 1995." > > Hahahhehe ehh ehzz... As if Wanda Dee made The KLF famous, pff, moderate > underground success... FECKING BOLLOCKS, bitch. Can't someone assasinate her? ***king bitch. :D Couple of questions:- 1. Did she write that or is that "International Artists" that wrote it? 2. I notice it says PWL folded when she joined them, is that why? (probably found something to sue them over!) :) 3. Aren't International Artists part of Universal? (and if so what are they doing messing with such a low life?) 4. Is it legal for them to print that bullsh*t? (if not someone inform B&J maybe we can get International Artists and Wanda Dee sued, then maybe B&J could actually use Wanda's name, not that they would actually want to :)) 5. Let's bombard Wanda Dee's mailbox address (anyone got a working e-mail bomb program?). Looks like according to the other e-mail with Wanda's e-mail address ( goddessempire@aol.com ) they've given us more than Wanda's e-maill address 'cos you can also turn AOL addresses into AOL screen names and AOL Instant Messenger names, everyone add goddessempire to there buddy list and really piss her off when she's online by sending nasty messages. (And what about Notify AOL for some reason - doesn't have to be true just make a reason up - "Copyright Infringment" or something like that!) . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Culf Subject: Re: (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit Date: 19 Jun 2001 11:38:01 +0100 (BST) > > "BILL DRUMMOND & JIM CAUTY of The KLF had been around for many years with > > only moderate underground success, however, their fortunes turned upward > > when they decided to collaborate with Wanda as both a lyricist & sensuous > > centrepiece of their acclaimed video presentations, from 1991 thru 1995." > 1. Did she write that or is that "International Artists" that wrote it? Probably her PR/agent wrote it for them. > 4. Is it legal for them to print that bullsh*t? (if not someone inform > B&J maybe we can get International Artists and Wanda Dee sued, > then maybe B&J could actually use Wanda's name, not that they > would actually want to :)) How? There's nothing factually wrong with the statements, although it rather stretches the truth. One could even say that they are just her opinion on actual events, and its not illegal to print opinion (although it is slightly masked here as "fact"). However, it is true to say that when they "collaborated" with Wanda, they had much greater non-"underground success" and "fortune". I'm not sure they'd agree that she was "centrepiece", but again that's just re-representation, not an outright untruth. > 5. Let's bombard Wanda Dee's mailbox address (anyone got a > working e-mail bomb program?). Looks like according to the other > e-mail with Wanda's e-mail address ( goddessempire@aol.com ) > they've given us more than Wanda's e-maill address 'cos you can > also turn AOL addresses into AOL screen names and AOL Instant > Messenger names, everyone add goddessempire to there buddy > list and really piss her off when she's online by sending nasty > messages. (And what about Notify AOL for some reason - doesn't > have to be true just make a reason up - "Copyright Infringment" or > something like that!) Oh please ... why is the typical usual response to such things "LETS MAILBOMB THEM!!!!". Quite what do you think that will achieve? It'll piss her off for sure (or whoever is using that account onher behalf). They'll just use your antics as an excuse to say "look at those mad anarchist klf fans, they obviously have little sense of reality and will perpetrate criminal acts to try and force us to accept their lies and halicinations". Grow up, and deal with this sensibly. Inform those people who print such stuff that it is misrepresentation, that she is rather glorifying her own role, which was limited to some sampled phrases from her previous flops, and guest appearances in videos by means of recompense for the samples. Let the legal representation for Bill and Jimmy know what's going on. Inform and educate within the system. Culf. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maarten Bouwes" Subject: (klf) Wanda Dee/Impostor Date: 19 Jun 2001 10:56:11 -0000 I just sent an email to the mail address previously given. The mail contained an extract from the faq and some personal thoughts. Hope they“ll respond to that 26K message :)) Cheers, Maarten _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stuart.bruce@aardman.com (Stuart Bruce) Subject: Re(2): Re(2): (klf) OT Pet Shop Boys re-releases Date: 19 Jun 2001 12:05:33 +0100 Darrenforster99@aol.com writes: >I know how to spell tenner but they usually do "3 for a tenor" with it >being a music shop Who does? Never seen that happen in any of the music shops you were actually talking about. Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce stuart.bruce@aardman.com tel ext 4269 Get fired! Waste all day at: http://www.angrykid.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: (klf) The Goddess is online Date: 19 Jun 2001 07:30:01 EDT Everyone the Goddess (GoddessEmpire aka Wanda Dee) is online! should I chat to her and tell her what a ***king cow she is? . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: (klf) The Goddess is online Date: 19 Jun 2001 07:31:46 EDT Everyone the Goddess (GoddessEmpire aka Wanda Dee) is online! should I chat to her and tell her what a ***king cow she is? . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stuart.bruce@aardman.com (Stuart Bruce) Subject: Re: (klf) The Goddess is online Date: 19 Jun 2001 12:39:18 +0100 Darrenforster99@aol.com writes: > >Everyone the Goddess (GoddessEmpire aka Wanda Dee) is online! >should I chat to her and tell her what a ***king cow she is? Maybe you should chat to her and mention, in a friendly way, that you're a KLF fan and like all of their work. Then, when she least expects it, point out factually that she was a reason why the KLF *lost* money in royalties, not gained money, as they'd had hits before she got involved. Swearing at her will make her ignore you (or cancel the chat or bar you from messaging her or however the hell it is that AOL works) and won't acheive anything. Stuart. > >. -- Stuart Bruce stuart.bruce@aardman.com tel ext 4269 Get fired! Waste all day at: http://www.angrykid.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: Re: (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit Date: 19 Jun 2001 22:56:47 +1000 > > 5. Let's bombard Wanda Dee's mailbox address (anyone got a > > working e-mail bomb program?). Looks like according to the other > > e-mail with Wanda's e-mail address ( goddessempire@aol.com ) > > they've given us more than Wanda's e-maill address 'cos you can > > Oh please ... why is the typical usual response to such things "LETS > MAILBOMB THEM!!!!". Quite what do you think that will achieve? *claps* dont try to right a wrong with a wrong. besides mailbombs the easy way out. much cleverer things to do than that anyway, if you're so inclined. imho, go after her legally, though i wonder why bill&jimmy havent bothered? surely if there was something to fight over, they'd have already done it? curious, brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: (klf) OT: Mail and Kids Date: 19 Jun 2001 22:50:11 +1000 hi all, sorry for the disturbance but i've had two unbelievable things today. 1st. i log on and there's heaps of list mail and its mostly ontopic :-) 2nd. the gf and i are babysitting a 5yo and a 6yo for the night. i must be getting older :-( amazed, brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stuart.bruce@aardman.com (Stuart Bruce) Subject: Re(2): (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit Date: 19 Jun 2001 15:33:43 +0100 brendan@sputcorp.com writes: >imho, go after her legally, though i wonder >why bill&jimmy havent bothered? surely if there was something to fight >over, >they'd have already done it? I think this ground has been covered before. Outside of the UK (or possibly outside Europe), Bill & Jimmy do not own exclusive copyright on the name "KLF". If Wanda Dee tours to KLF backing music, pays the PRS or ASCAP or whoever the appropriate rights for performing somebody else's music (as any DJ venue would), then Bill and Jimmy have no legal right to intervene, if she doesn't try doing that in the UK. A web site that contains inaccurate but not libellous information about a person/artist/group is not a legal offence as such, and Bill & Jimmy could lodge a complaint, yes, but a lawsuit, no. Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce stuart.bruce@aardman.com tel ext 4269 Get fired! Waste all day at: http://www.angrykid.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nigel_Armstrong@tertio.com Subject: Re: (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit Date: 19 Jun 2001 15:42:29 +0100 Why don't B&J sue? Assuming they care anyway: lawyers cost money, Wanda Dee almost certainly hasn't got any, so they couldn't get their fees back; she's in the U.S. and they're in the UK, making it even more expensive and complicated. As a comparison, Bobby Farrell has passed himself and some pick-up singers off as Boney M, even though he only danced and mimed on 'live' appearances, Frank Farian actually supplying the male voice on their records. I believe he still does so, despite legal wranglings - presumably with record company backing, as Boney M's records still make money. I am not comparing Boney M musically with the KLF, just that there is a parallel in terms of a one-time minor participant exaggerating their role and passing off a feeble imitation as the real thing. Nigel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Robinson Subject: Re: (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit Date: 19 Jun 2001 15:47:31 +0100 Nigel_Armstrong@tertio.com wrote: > > Why don't B&J sue? Probably because they sampled her without permission, and had to settle matters on her terms. She's quite possibly allowed to claim whatever she likes about her relationship to the klf as part of the settlement. - Andy_R # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maarten Bouwes" Subject: Re: (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit Date: 19 Jun 2001 15:18:20 -0000 >>Why don't B&J sue? Assuming they care anyway (...) I think B&J don“t give a shite. And when it happens, savour it, because it very quickly slithers into disinterest and gets forgotten as life marches on" Life goes on and the lifes of B&J got on. I think they don“t give a shite as Bill wasn“t impressed of the disillusionment of the die-hard fan in "now that“s what i call disillusionment, 2" _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: Re(2): (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit Date: 19 Jun 2001 11:56:28 EDT >Outside of the UK (or possibly outside Europe), Bill & Jimmy do not own >exclusive copyright on the name "KLF". How can I set up a trademark? Does it cost money to set up a trademark? Do you have to have a product named the trademark or can you just trademark anything? Is The KLF a trademark of Bill & Jimmys? Is a trademark valid around the world or just in the country it was trademarked in? I'm wondering about trademarking the name The KLF and then suing that bitch, what do you reckon? If I couldn't get a trademark of The KLF is there anything else that I could do (like get copyright on the name The KLF (presumably B&J hold that?)) so then I could sue her and help restore the name The KLF (I wouldn't be bothered about the money, just restoring the name of The KLF, if I did this I'd give the money to B&J or charity (if I couldn't find B&J)) . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Bruce Subject: Re: Re(2): (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit Date: 19 Jun 2001 17:55:33 +0100 (BST) On Tue 19 Jun, Darrenforster99@aol.com wrote: > I'm wondering about trademarking the name The KLF and then suing that > bitch, what do you reckon? I'm worried that you're serious. While you're at it why don't you design a drink called "Coca-Cola" and try to sue the American company who manufacture a very similarly named product? Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://groups.yahoo.com/group/utahsaints/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Bennett" Subject: (klf) Re: Wanda Dee Date: 19 Jun 2001 13:29:01 -0400 Yikes..had I known people were going to try turning into terrorists over it..I would have just left the page out of the discussion.. I understanding wanting to protect the things you cherish, but let's put it into perspective.. If Bill and Jimmy REALLY cared what a no talent broad was doing with their name, their lawyers would have dealt with this long ago... (no, they may not have lawyers for K2 Plant Hire, or whatever official group they are under now, (wait..are they up to K5 plant hire yet?) but they would certainly have their own lawyers. (if you've ever even bought a house, you have a lawyer..) Jeez guys..it was just to show that she was still active..not a target.. leave the poor dummy alone..she'll never amount to anything anyways (even if she is claiming to be the KLF)... Snarfy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thug5@optusnet.com.au Subject: (klf) Kompetition Votes Date: 20 Jun 2001 04:12:20 +1000 Hi all, OK, so this is old news... but why were there so few votes in the Kompetition? I mean, who were the other 7 people apart from me who made the effort? And it was an effort, I admit. It took at least 3 hours to sit down and listen to them all in one hit and make a short list. Then I had to sit down with the short list and relisten to them which took further time. (Hence I only submitted my vote at the very last moment. I hope it got counted...) Was this the problem that other people faced? Too much of a good thing? Or could they not download all those big files? For the Kompetition Mk. II should we limit the number of remixes that people can enter? Or will having Real Audio streams avilable make things easier for people? Michael # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: twenty three Subject: (klf) Unplug her... (Wanda Dee's credit) Date: 19 Jun 2001 11:33:56 -0700 (PDT) As some consolation You could hear "The Goddess" unplugged in the Kompetition (track named "WandaDeeUnplugged"). If I had knew this before, I would had made it worsier... CU, BCM aka y23y ===== y23y appears courtesy of y23y Enterprises y23y Enterprises appears courtesy of y23y y23y sometimes known as y23 Entertainment __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Allister Cleal" Subject: (klf) Hi there - new here - quick question Date: 19 Jun 2001 20:09:29 +0100 The mp3 of Love Trance that has been doing the rounds for a while - has anyone managed to confirm whether its the real thing? Sorry if its a common question. Al # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Subject: Re: (klf) Big Brother's 23 argument Date: 19 Jun 2001 20:50:27 +0100 Stuart Bruce writes >Given the premise of the programme it seemed quite appropriate that it >should be that particular number, really. Absolutely! And yesterday was also the 23rd day of Confusion (in the Discordian calendar) and so surely some sort of celebration was called for! It was also day 23 in the Big Brother house and what with that argument about 23 and all of the other mentions of it will be quite interesting to see if this continues to occur or if this overload of 23s was all just a coincidental one off?!? For those of you not sad enough to watch it (or even care!) the story goes a little like the following: One of the people in the house (Brian) turned 23 and for his birthday they cut out the number 23 from a T-shirt that was given him by Bubble. This cut-out/cut-up was then hung on the wall behind his bed next to a photocopy of the Big Brother eye (no triangular framing motif... yet). Anyway the argument was that Bubble (who earlier in the house had tried to convert everyone to the church of Bubble - perhaps, Bubble is 'Scribe' from www.twentythree.co.uk and this is one reason why he has been so quiet as of late?) wanted the 23 back from Brian as he had been told to take down his own number 23 and a coded message (an 23 enigma code?) that he had put up on the wall beside his bed as a supposed sign to the outside world to acknowledge his daughter`s birthday (on the 23rd) and a whole argument followed about why the 23 was not important at all and that this was then followed by an accusation that Bubble was trying to signal 'something' (an illegal action against the rules of Big Brother) by attempting to transmit a message to the outside world. So, Big Brother asks Bubble to take his sign down because it is, in their opinion, a sign to the outside world rather than a personal totem. Rather surreal TV on the whole. Bubble and Brian argue because Bubble wants the sign that he made and gave Brain back as this 23 is permitted, but yet his own is not allowed to be stuck on the wall. Bubble does not understand why he is being persecuted. Brian says it is because HIS sign signifies his age, and Bubbles constitutes a message/sign. Bubble is stumped! They may have argued about the number's significance, but that wasn't shown on the Channel 4 show, and I'm not too sure how many people would be tuned into E4 23 hours a day to try and find out! I think that we might have a 23rdian on primetime TV and... he does have a hat obsession too?!? There is also, of course, that strange, quasi- mystical pyramid structure that's been erected in the garden.... There also seems to be an anti 23 bias in the Big Brother production dept. As any 23 neophyte would do, a diligent search on their website reveals: "...Bubble presented him with one of his own fashion creations - a T-shirt with two holes cut out of the back, for which Brian seemed grateful as he tried it on..." ...on the web site. Any details of the argument have not made it to print (yet?) When will these type of people learn that trying to [censor] the no.23 is a bad, bad, BAD idea, and can only lead to a hydra's head of 23isms, or even the whole studio complex exploding into flames... or swallowed by an earthquake.... destroyed by meteorite showers... or sumfink *REALLY* horrible!!! (mumble) Maybe Bill and Jimmy will prank the Big Brother household next? ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Bruce Subject: Re: (klf) Big Brother's 23 argument Date: 19 Jun 2001 21:33:27 +0100 (BST) On Tue 19 Jun, John wrote: > > Stuart Bruce writes > >Given the premise of the programme it seemed quite appropriate that it > >should be that particular number, really. > > Absolutely! And yesterday was also the 23rd day of Confusion (in the > Discordian calendar) and so surely some sort of celebration was called > for! There is also a *chance* that it was day 23 in the Big Brother house- ie. 23 days since the housemates moved in. It was certainly been day 21 and day 24, but I wouldn't like to say for sure... Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://groups.yahoo.com/group/utahsaints/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: Re: Re(2): (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit Date: 19 Jun 2001 19:17:02 EDT On 19 Jun 2001, at 18:03, Stuart Bruce wrote: > I'm worried that you're serious. I was contemplating it :) (and yes I was serious about if winning sending the profits to B&J or charity (or what about just burning it on the isle of Jura!)) >While you're at it why don't you design a drink called "Coca- Cola(TM)" >and > try to sue the American company who manufacture a very similarly named > product? 'cos Coca-Cola(TM) is a Trademark of The Coca Cola Company, America. (I could always come up with a drink that cures dysPEPSIa ;) - yes that is where a famous rival drink got it's name from - source Microsoft (TM) Encarta (TM)!) Coca-Cola is a registered trademark of The Coca-Cola Company, Microsoft is a trademark of the Microsoft Corporation, Encarta is a trademark of Encarta (I think) I am not in any way associated with The Coca-Cola Company, the Microsoft Corporation or Encarta. . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: (klf) K Computers??? Date: 19 Jun 2001 19:46:33 EDT I subscribed to another e-mail list today (Cheshire Scouts Gathering). When I got confirmation the e-mail header contained loads of links to K Computers and KNet.org (I've cut some of the header out to make it more obvious:- Received: from gate.kcomputers.co.uk (kcomputers.demon.co.uk [193.237.48.191]) Received: from localhost.localdomain (IDENT:root@jess.knet.org [192.157.10.5]) by gate.kcomputers.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31262 for ; I checked at www.kcomputers.co.uk to see who kcomputers is but the site doesn't exist. Could K Computers have some connection with The KLF or could the person who created the mailing list be a fan of The KLF (I remember when I was selling mobile phones at University for Powernet I called myself "K Comms" after The KLF. I didn't receive any calls though :( - I even wasted a fortune advertising the phones on Scoot 0800 192 192, until the bank wanted to know what a student was doing paying Scoot 400UKP a quarter for advertising, Powernet 30UKP a month for a freephone number and 200UKP for a Powernet briefcase - Scoot and Powernet let me out of the 12mth contracts before I went bankrupt!) . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) Hi there - new here - quick question Date: 19 Jun 2001 20:03:46 EDT On 19 Jun 2001, at 20:11, Allister Cleal wrote: > > The mp3 of Love Trance that has been doing the rounds for a while - has > anyone managed to confirm whether its the real thing? > > Sorry if its a common question. Don't you dare bring this up again! About a week ago we had FordTimelord@webtv.net spam the list trying to stop people arguing about Love Trance. Miles (MILESTIGHE@AOL.COM I think) bought the original record (could be bootleg, B&J haven't come on the list yet to confirm whether or not they did release the record) from e-bay for a lot of money, and he offered to do copies on CD for 10UKP (this brought about arguments for about 3 weeks on the list as to whether or not he was trying to make his money back or whether he was doing the list and big fans a really big favour (I think he was doing everyone a really big favour). It turned out that for this 10UKP he was going to do a sleeve and everything, but after the complaints he said that he wasn't going to do the sleeve, but still charge 10UKP (obviously causing a lot of arguments and alot of people thinking he was just doing it for the money)). This started a big 3 week flames war against Miles and anti-piracy supporters who thought Miles was pirating (yet they also had this strange thought that if he offered it for free or for the price of a CD-R he wouldn't be pirating it?!?!?!?) and there were others that also thought that any copying of the music was piracy (I actually agree with Miles and think he was quite right charging 10UKP for people to own a copy of this rarity (but I think he should have given a percentage of that to B&J 'cos it was there record (maybe apply for a PPL licence and put down playing it once for each copy made!) but then it's upto Miles what happens 'cos it's his record)) Anyway the result of this flames war was someone on WebTV spamming the mailing list (and getting his mailbox spammed by me and a few others and really screwing his message system up (WebTV boxes aren't really designed to withstand spam are they Ford Timelord?)), I think this is the first time anyone's actually spammed the mailing list! And as for the CD copies that Miles offered, he mentioned about returning everyone's money, I don't know whether this happened or whether Miles produced the CD's or whether Miles is still deciding what to do - best to ask Miles about that. . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) Big Brother's 23 argument Date: 19 Jun 2001 20:11:58 EDT On 19 Jun 2001, at 20:55, John wrote:  > ...and a whole argument followed about why the 23 was not important > at all and that this was then followed by an accusation that Bubble was > trying to signal 'something' (an illegal action against the rules of Big > Brother) by attempting to transmit a message to the outside world.   I think with BB they've managed to transmit something to the  outside world anyway. One thing that's puzzling me over that show  was when I went to the shop today and they were selling Heat  magazine, on the front it offers a free Big Brother Calendar (why a  calendar when we're half way through 2K1???). On the front cover  it shows some 'demo' pictures of what you'll find on the calendar,  and there pictures of people in the house doing things like in the  shower. Now if there not "suppossed" to interact with the outside  world, how has Heat magazine managed to get these pictures?  has someone at Heat got the really boring job of watching the web  cams 24/7 (mostly people getting pissed) just trying to pick a  brilliant picture or have they managed to get inside the house and  take pictures (if so this is clear violation of the rules and what does  Channel 4 do now???). BTW - I'm going down to London on the  28th for a few days, does anyone know where the Big Brother  house is, I wanna go down and watch the eviction, is it near Earls  Court? or is it Elstree where Channel 4 studios are?  > There is also, of course, that strange, quasi- > mystical pyramid structure that's been erected in the garden....  I've not seen this pyramid structure in the garden yet, but I just  thought I'd mention something I saw in a catalogue a few weeks  ago which would suit most KLF fans (I was going to mention it a  few weeks ago but kept forgetting, so this seems the best e-mail to  bring it up in, the only probs is I can't remember the mail order  company now). They have this black metal PYRAMID style object  and you can BUILD A FIRE in the middle of it, hmmm could the  designer be a fan of The KLF as who else would come up with  such a funny idea as to mix fires with pyramids??   > Maybe Bill and Jimmy will prank the Big Brother household next? ;-)   ***K Big Brother we want Survivor! . . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stuart.bruce@aardman.com (Stuart Bruce) Subject: Re(2): (klf) Big Brother's 23 argument Date: 20 Jun 2001 07:18:31 +0100 Darrenforster99@aol.com writes: >One thing that's puzzling me over that show  >was when I went to the shop today and they were selling Heat  >magazine, on the front it offers a free Big Brother Calendar (why a  >calendar when we're half way through 2K1???). On the front cover  >it shows some 'demo' pictures of what you'll find on the calendar,  >and there pictures of people in the house doing things like in the  >shower. Now if there not "suppossed" to interact with the outside  >world, how has Heat magazine managed to get these pictures?  >has someone at Heat got the really boring job of watching the web  >cams 24/7 (mostly people getting pissed) just trying to pick a  >brilliant picture or have they managed to get inside the house and  >take pictures (if so this is clear violation of the rules and what does  >Channel 4 do now???) Neither case is true. In the first week, one of the tasks that the housemates had to do, officially, was take photos of each other with a consistent theme, and they settled on the theme of "saucy". The pictures were then handed to Big Brother who created a calendar for the BB housemates to use, with one picture on each page. The housemates are unaware that Big Brother have also gone and sold the pictures to Heat magazine, probably for a lot of money... So there's been no break of rules and the housemates knew the pictures were being taken, but not necessarily for what purpose. [snip] >They have this black metal PYRAMID style object  >and you can BUILD A FIRE in the middle of it, hmmm could the  >designer be a fan of The KLF as who else would come up with  >such a funny idea as to mix fires with pyramids?? Ideas such as fires within pyramids, and the burning of wicker men (as another fire example), massively pre-date the KLF and shouldn't really be credited to Bill & Jimmy, unfortunately. Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce stuart.bruce@aardman.com tel ext 4269 Get fired! Waste all day at: http://www.angrykid.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stuart.bruce@aardman.com (Stuart Bruce) Subject: Re(2): Re(2): (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit Date: 20 Jun 2001 07:54:30 +0100 Darrenforster99@aol.com writes: >>While you're at it why don't you design a drink called "Coca- >Cola(TM)" >and >> try to sue the American company who manufacture a very similarly named >> product? > >'cos Coca-Cola(TM) is a Trademark of The Coca Cola Company, >America. Exactly- Coca-Cola have already done that. Wanda Dee has already appeared as "Wanda Dee and The New KLF" (or similar) years ago. My point was, you can't 'backdate' copyright and claim money from people who were clearly doing something, or invented something, years before you did. Who invented the wheel? That's not already copyrighted. Maybe you should take a chopped-up log down to a patent office and try to claim for billions of pounds' worth of unpaid patent money because you just feel like making a wheel and now everybody else has to stop, and pay you money. You were suggesting a very similar thing just with the name "KLF"... Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce stuart.bruce@aardman.com tel ext 4269 Get fired! Waste all day at: http://www.angrykid.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Kuta" Subject: (klf) Triple A Date: 20 Jun 2001 09:01:09 +0200 Hey, I'm just compiling stuff about Jimmy's Triple A project for GLAMCENTRAL. Can anyone help me out there? I need a good quality scan of the logo... and ALL info you listmembers have! Hope that's not too hard to get Something else: Just read that Billy as AAA had a partner, Paul Williams that is. Does anyone know who he is and if he has a konnection to the KLF? Thank A LOT!!! Danny --- DJ Kuta, KLF Online (www.klf.de) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maarten Bouwes" Subject: (klf) klf - ultra rare trax Date: 20 Jun 2001 09:02:15 -0000 List, I just received this email concerning URT. Wasn“t URT a normal cd (not a cdr with photocopied stuff etc? I asked this person a description of the artwork and cd and here is his awnser: >hi, it's a bit difficult to explain, it has a sheep on >the front cover. > >this is a cdr, so it is a colour photocopy (a good >one) Is it that difficult to explain? or was URT just a cd-r and not a professionally pressed cd? Thanks for helping! Maarten _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: c-Row@gmx.de Subject: Re: (klf) klf - ultra rare trax Date: 20 Jun 2001 11:15:41 +0200 (MEST) All Ultra Rare Trax releases I“ve seen so far - no matter what artist - use real pressed CDs instead of CD-Rs, since these are supposed to be professional bootlegs. Covers are printed, not photocopied. cy@ c-Row -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net -- GMX Tipp: Machen Sie Ihr Hobby zu Geld bei unserem Partner 1&1! http://profiseller.de/info/index.php3?ac=OM.PS.PS003K00596T0409a # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Robinson Subject: Re: (klf) klf - ultra rare trax Date: 20 Jun 2001 10:19:11 +0100 Maarten Bouwes wrote: > > I just received this email concerning URT. Wasn“t URT a normal cd (not a cdr > with photocopied stuff etc? My copy is a 'real' pressed CD, and the artwork is printed not photocopied - not surprising as I bought it way back when CD-R was just a twinkle in a R&D dreartment's eye, and colour copiers were £1.50 per smeary blur. I guess this guy is trying to sell you a bootleg of this bootleg? - Andy_R # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: (klf) OT: Coca-Cola (nitpicking on names) Date: 20 Jun 2001 13:51:13 +1000 hi all, from memory in aust the company is 'Coca-Cola Amital'. i might have the spelling/punctuation wrong, but definetly, when you do work for the company it is not "Coca-Cola". they get quite upset about it (and it seemed such a little thing at the time) the drink afaik is still coca-cola. afaik 'coke' was a trademark too. i dont think 'cola' is though. tired & sick of kids screaming, brendan ps - further off topic - heres the best way to clean keyboards that have had coke/carbonated drinks spilt on them - as taught to me by CCA staff. take wet keyboard outside, hose it down with water, shake it dry, then allow it to dry in the sun. once its dry, it should be fine :-) the water is less of a problem than the suger in the drink. i've done this myself and it works fine. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: (klf) OT: Boring Brother Date: 20 Jun 2001 14:10:08 +1000 hi all, i'm happy to see list traffic thats not fighting but if i'm wandering too far just email me to take it to email. > I think with BB they've managed to transmit something to the > outside world anyway. with the aust version its online 24hr via the net. the tv show is half hour everyday? with hour long specials too many times a week. > One thing that's puzzling me over that show > was when I went to the shop today and they were selling Heat > magazine, on the front it offers a free Big Brother Calendar >(why a calendar when we're half way through 2K1???). are they charging full price? i'd hope it was at least 6/12's the price. > On the front cover it shows some 'demo' pictures > of what you'll find on the calendar, and there pictures > of people in the house doing things like in the > shower. Now if there not "suppossed" to interact > with the outside world, how has Heat magazine > managed to get these pictures? stole them from all the other bb's :-) the promo/intro for the show here keeps showing a pair of breasts that belong to the girl who got evicted the 1st week. > has someone at Heat got the really boring > job of watching the web cams 24/7 (mostly > people getting pissed) just trying to pick a > brilliant picture or have they managed to get > inside the house and take pictures (if so this > is clear violation of the rules and what does > Channel 4 do now???). my guess is: Heat said to TV company: we need x pictures for a calender heres a heap of money. TV company said to Cameramen: we need some pics for a calender Cameramen: no prob (click click click) here's pictures i dont know how many camera men are involved with the aust bb show, but it would seem to be heaps if the control room is any indication. i know that here they took heaps of publicity shots of the ppl BEFORE they went in the house. i wouldnt at all be surprised if they (the house residents) signed over all rights to images of them when in the house. > company now). They have this black metal PYRAMID style object > and you can BUILD A FIRE in the middle of it, hmmm could the i'm pretty sure this happens regularly at um...its slipped my tongue. um..big festival america fireworks electronics hippies guns - Burning Man? can one of the americans help me out here? certainly i've seen pictures of pyramids at previous shows (wish i'd been able to get to some of the early years - seems like its gotten too big now if the last review i read was any guide). > designer be a fan of The KLF as who else would come up with > such a funny idea as to mix fires with pyramids?? possible, but pyramids have been used for ages in those fields of medicine that the western doctors dont approve. i' sure the first use of pyramids wasnt the egyptions, though those are probably the most remembered. i've seen pyramids that you;re sposed to put over plants to make them grow quicker, i've seen pyramids to sit in so you can get better. why not build a fire so you can get warm too? > ***K Big Brother we want Survivor! oh god no. cease that thought - a tv producer might see it. trying to get back on topic, brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: (klf) Trademarks / copyrights / legalities (WAS: Wanda related) Date: 20 Jun 2001 14:31:17 +1000 hi all, > >imho, go after her legally, though i wonder > >why bill&jimmy havent bothered? surely if there > >was something to fight over, > >they'd have already done it? > > I think this ground has been covered before. i figured it must have been. is anybody keeping a faq these days? my guess it was possibly in the terms that settled the matter of them sampling her. > Outside of the UK (or possibly outside Europe), Bill > & Jimmy do not own exclusive copyright on the name "KLF". makes sense. > A web site that contains inaccurate but > not libellous information about a > person/artist/group is not a legal > offence as such, and Bill & Jimmy could > lodge a complaint, yes, but a lawsuit, no. fair enuf. so basically, if we let bill&jim's lawyers know each time we see a 'inaccurate report', and we let the webmasters know that the lawyers know, thats all we can do/should do. wishing i'd studied law instead of beer, brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: (klf) more thoughts about legalities and wanda (but trying to stay on topic) Date: 20 Jun 2001 16:03:57 +1000 hi all, i'm just thinking, not planning. mostly i'm trying to avoid the kids by hiding behind the computer. [basis] lets assume the reason wanda keeps promoting herself as klf is because of b&j sampling her and having to agree to a contract that allowed it. i'm assuming some one out there knows b&j's current lawyers and also assuming that someone knows who the lawyers at the time were. [quickly thought about plan] cant we just type up a nice polite letter, not an email, and ask the lawyers nicely if the terms of the agreement included nondisclosure. if it didnt, can we pls see the contract. if it did, can they confirm for us that wanda is allowed to promote herself as klf. we can at the same time provide a nice list of urls showing where she is promoting herself. by doing this, i'd hope we would achieve a) the final word once and for all on what wanda cant and cant do. b) providing the lawyers with more evidence than they probably want c) showing b&j we're all still umm "diehard?" - whether that would impress or depress them i'm not sure. i suspect, as maarten said "they dont give a shite". [more thoughts that could be optional] imho, it'd have to be done offline, by registered post (is that what its called in uk? must be signed for) and very correctly worded. whilst this might actually hurt the process more than improve our chances, if someone representitive of as many countries/states/counties wrote, all following the same wording, they'd have to get the picture that people from around the world are still concerned about wanda/interested in the klf. [guess] the lawyers would respond with "no comment" :-) if they were nice, they might tell us what wanda can & cant do. remember - just thinking outloud. happy to see so much mail on the list (pity its mostly wanda), brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: (klf) Darren vs [the-not-real-klf] Date: 20 Jun 2001 16:43:03 +1000 Hi all, still avoiding the kids, and i'm no lawyer so dont treat this as official or nuthing like that. also, i'm in aust and attempt only to try and remember aust laws. change [the-not-real-klf] to whoever you want. > >Outside of the UK (or possibly outside Europe), > >Bill & Jimmy do not own exclusive copyright > >on the name "KLF". > How can I set up a trademark? you apply at some official body. from my understanding it does need to be done everywhere otherwise you end up in domainname squabbles or court etc. it in the olden days, when it was unlikely that the trademark would be used anywhere except the country of origin, there was no problem with multiple "trademarks" (all in individual countries for example) because one would rarely run into the other. nowadays its best to get it trademarked everywhere you might ever end up, just in case. a TM though afaik is different to a (c)opyright. a TM can be used as long as its credited properly (at least thats what we did with computer manuals/etc). > Does it cost money to set up a trademark? yes. no idea what. probably too much. > Do you have to have a product named > the trademark or can you just trademark anything? i thought it was anything as long as there was no prior use? or am i mixing patents with TM's? > Is The KLF a trademark of Bill & Jimmys? no idea, i'd assume so in UK at least. thought: do TM's expire? like xerox and hoover? or is it only because they become household words that they allow them to expire? > Is a trademark valid around the world or > just in the country it was trademarked in? afaik, only the country. Guess: everybody in eu probably counts now as one country for the purposes of a TM but thats a wild guess. i'm the other side of the world. > I'm wondering about trademarking the name > The KLF and then suing that bitch, what do > you reckon? whilst certainly amusing to think about, prob too much work for too little reward imho. > If I couldn't get a trademark of The KLF is > there anything else that I could do (like > get copyright on the name The KLF > (presumably B&J hold that?)) wouldnt prior use kick in again here? if i'm not mixing patent law, then [the-not-real-klf] could claim to have already performed/used the name for years. > so then I could sue her and help restore the > name The KLF (I wouldn't be bothered about > the money, just restoring the name of The KLF, i'm too cynical but i dont think they care. its a shame that ppl get sucked in to paying to see [the-not-real-klf] and by being active and watching out for [the-not-real-klf], at least the list can alert ppl so it might not happen so much in the future. > if I did this I'd give the money to B&J > or charity (if I couldn't find B&J)) give out beers to the homeless for xmas :-) my gut feeling over all this is we'll find out the agreement b&j agreed to was horrible, and [the-not-real-klf]'s allowed to do what [the-not-real-klf] likes. or the agreement could have been awful, [the-not-real-klf]'s not allowed to do what [the-not-real-klf] likes, but b&j dont care. Darren: if you're really serious about the idea, speak to a lawyer whereever you live and see what he says. even post in whereever.legal and ask maybe - try to not be specific with names and details when posting to those groups. you dont need a legal problem before starting another one. you dont want to be accused of slander etc. once you get an opinion, email me with it, and i can probably get a reasonable aust law opinion also, and then you'll have two countries and maybe it might be a doable? i dont wanna bother that connection unless i have to though, and at this point i wouldnt. [$where-u-live].legal is probably the best bet, maybe uk.legal (assuming it exists). i still think that its prob too much word for too little reward. moral question thats probably better thought about than written about (i like that the list has mail thats on topic): if advertising as klf etc is the only way for [the-not-real-klf] to get work, is it right to go out of our way to ruin it? if you really want to comment on that, maybe emails better. i just thought of it then, and havent thought any furthur. i'm not really looking for a morals debate, just avoiding the kids. sorry for the length, brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: Re: (klf) Kompetition Votes Date: 20 Jun 2001 16:54:55 +1000 hi all, wooh! no wanda :-) > OK, so this is old news... but why were there so > few votes in the Kompetition? I mean, who were > the other 7 people apart from me who made the effort? well it wasnt me. i had intended to vote but life got too busy around the due date and i wasnt able to. > And it was an effort, I admit. It took at least 3 > hours to sit down and listen to them all in one > hit and make a short list. Then I had to sit > down with the short list and > relisten to them which took further time. hence being unable to vote fairly i chose not to vote. i preferred/hoped/wanted? (even if i didnt entered) that it was more a "lets see what we can do" rather than a "who is best" thing. > Was this the problem that other people faced? > Too much of a good thing? Or > could they not download all those big files? the only way i got the files full stop was because i worked with a fast connection and had access to a burner to bring them home to listen to. recently i've been reminded, and cos i now access at 33.6, that not everyone has fast access. there's no way i wouldnt been able to dnload them all at the rates i'm sposed to pay. > For the Kompetition Mk. II should we limit > the number of remixes that people can > enter? i vote no. keep it a "lets see what we can do in the spirit of mu" rather than a contest. i'm sure someone else said this at the time? > Or will having Real Audio streams > avilable make things easier for people? i'm doubt anyone else cares, but real audio will force me to ignore the song completely. btw: if someone was to make a nice bootleg with all the klf samples split up nicely for use in komp's it might be nice to those with slowboxes who'd like to contribute (hint!) my box will barely run the music program and gets real upset when i try to rip wav's and things. it probably wont standup even if i have the samples handy, but i'd like to try. cheers brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: (klf) OT: Big Brother and Dates vs RL Calanders Date: 20 Jun 2001 19:35:59 +1000 Hi all, > There is also a *chance* that it was day 23 > in the Big Brother house- ie. 23 days since > the housemates moved in. It was certainly been day 21 > and day 24, but I wouldn't like to say for sure... the 'big-boring-change-rules-willy-nilly-because-its-so-boring-brother' here definetly has the ppl in the house outasync with the real date. its possible some days to buy the paper in the morning, and find out who got voted "live on tv telecast" out that evening :-) at a guess, its one or two days out of sync. i cant remember what day they are up to though. imho, the aust. version is rubbish. the 'loud' ppl got kicked out first, so they keep giving the remainders alcohol so its interesting. they've also done some things "which were planned from the start. definetly not done because it was boring" and then the 'new planned ppl to join the house' make comments along the lines of "i didnt know i was coming here until a week before". from what i understand (and feel free to email with details about the others), aust is the only bb show to: a) have the males and females sleeping in the same room b) have cameras in the toilets and showers c) has an AO version of the show late at night and just to really rub it the consumers faces, charges $27AU? if you want to vote via the web (15c a vote). cant wait till its over, brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Blumenthal, Michael (ELS)" Subject: RE: (klf) K Computers??? Date: 20 Jun 2001 11:19:26 +0100 > From: Darrenforster99@aol.com [mailto:Darrenforster99@aol.com] > > I checked at www.kcomputers.co.uk to see who kcomputers is > but the site doesn't exist. Could K Computers have some connection with > The KLF or could the person who created the mailing list be a fan of The KLF Did a whois search: Domain Name: KCOMPUTERS.CO.UK Registered For: James Merrington Domain Registered By: DEMON Registered on 16-Nov-2000. On the other hand, there's plenty of info for Knet.org: Registrant: Tamura,Mark (KNET17-DOM) 4262 Verdigris Circle San Jose, CA 95134 US Domain Name: KNET.ORG Administrative Contact, Billing Contact: Tamura, Mark (MT14362) mark_tamura@yahoo.com Tamura,Mark 4262 Verdigris Circle San Jose, CA 95134 US 408-943-0389 Technical Contact: WorldNIC Name Host (HOST-ORG) namehost@WORLDNIC.COM Network Solutions, Inc. 505 Huntmar Park Drive Herndon, VA 20170-5142 1-888-642-9675 Record last updated on 06-May-2001. mikeyB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Saint John Ridley&Jessica Mordsley Subject: Re: (klf) Big Brother's 23 argument Date: 20 Jun 2001 11:01:08 +0100 Hello Darrenforster99@aol.com On 20-Jun-01, Darrenforster99@aol.com wrote: > > On 19 Jun 2001, at 20:55, John wrote: > > I think with BB they've managed to transmit something to the > outside world anyway. One thing that's puzzling me over that show > was when I went to the shop today and they were selling Heat > magazine, on the front it offers a free Big Brother Calendar (why a > calendar when we're half way through 2K1???). Because it's a calendar that only covers the length of the BB show, with a different picture each week. > it shows some 'demo' pictures of what you'll find on the calendar, > and there pictures of people in the house doing things like in the > shower. Now if there not "suppossed" to interact with the outside > world, how has Heat magazine managed to get these pictures? It was the housemates' second task to take the photos for the calendar. They were supplied with a digital camera for the purpose. > has someone at Heat got the really boring job of watching the web > cams 24/7 (mostly people getting pissed) just trying to pick a > brilliant picture On a separate point, as far as I can work out, yes, but they don't consider it work! Anyhoo E4 has about 18 hours of coverage on some days, much easier than the epilepsy-tastic website! >> Maybe Bill and Jimmy will prank the Big Brother household next? ;-) Sadly, I doubt it. 'Twas Malcolm MacLaren who said that you should sieze hold of whatever is zeitgiesty for your hit record, but I'm sure that something similar is in the manual. I still feel sorry for B&J that FTM happened at the time of Princess Diana's death. That was the most zeitgeisty thing, but it was unpredictable by normal means, and not really cash-inable on by a pop act... I still wonder if it wasn't too subtle anyway... Or at least too early. Think about the amount of millenium hype that went on in '98 and '99. > ***K Big Brother we want Survivor! Yes well. I love faux-ethnic music too. That's why I've got /Populous: The/ /Beginning,/ still not as good as the /Farscape/ music though. You may well want Survivor, but I see that ITV can't be bothered anymore. The ratings for an ITV show will always be higher than C4, some plebs just refuse to press the 4 button. I ask you tho', are you honestly saying that watching a load of TA types doing a Duke of Edinburgh Award scheme holiday *that they've* *already finished* is as bonkers-tv's-gone-mad-oh-of-course-it-has-it's-2001 as Big Brother? Cheers! Mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (klf) klf - ultra rare trax Date: 20 Jun 2001 09:40:00 -0500 (CDT) On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Maarten Bouwes wrote: > > > List, > > I just received this email concerning URT. Wasn=B4t URT a normal cd (no= t a cdr > with photocopied stuff etc? A long time ago (3 to 5 years ago -- I can't remember) copies of urt were made available that were cdrs w/ photocopied covers. This was a bootleg of a bootleg. The tracklisting was a bit different as well (had some extra tracks not on the original). There were also space cdrs and who killed the jams cdrs (with photocopied covers). -daniel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "happy consumer!" Subject: RE: Re: (klf) Kompetition Votes Date: 21 Jun 2001 22:14:35 -0700 >i vote no. keep it a "lets see what we can do in the spirit of mu" rather >than a contest. > >i'm sure someone else said this at the time? im in complete support of this. -happyconsumer Visit the world's greatest site at http://www.farts.com and listen to the fart of the day. Also, get your very own farts.com E-mail account. FREE!!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "D Cabrera" Subject: (klf) re: wanda dee crap Date: 22 Jun 2001 01:25:11 -0400 I always though Maxine Whatserface was the better singer, looker, etc... DC # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?The=20KLF?= Subject: (klf) Bill in NYC Date: 22 Jun 2001 17:01:06 +0100 (BST) 22 June. I heard a rumor that Bill is currently in NYC in the US working on some project with a group of unknowns. There is some club called Rain on 5th or somehthing such as this, but you can only get in if you come with a really hot chick. If you are a hot chick i guess that means you can get in on your own. not sure if this is true, heard it from a friend who indirectly knows bill. Too bad i'm in the Uk otherwise i'd check it out. Anyone in nyc>? .DREW ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: laerm Subject: Re: (klf) Bill in NYC Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:14:28 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, [iso-8859-1] The KLF wrote: > 22 June. I heard a rumor that Bill is currently in NYC > in the US working on some project with a group of > unknowns. There is some club called Rain on 5th or > somehthing such as this, but you can only get in if > you come with a really hot chick. If you are a hot > chick i guess that means you can get in on your own. > not sure if this is true, heard it from a friend who > indirectly knows bill. Too bad i'm in the Uk otherwise > i'd check it out. Anyone in nyc>? hm, i'm in nyc. i just did a search and i didn't get any info on any club or bar named rain. if you get me any more info, i'll do my best to investigate. and my girlfriend's hot, so that's not a problem. ;) micah stupak /"\ laerm@soulfood.org ascii ribbon campaign \ / international bright young kook against HTML email X / \ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JRQ Subject: Re: (klf) Bill in NYC Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:16:03 -0400 You probably mean *spa* The KLF wrote: > 22 June. I heard a rumor that Bill is currently in NYC > in the US working on some project with a group of > unknowns. There is some club called Rain on 5th or > somehthing such as this, but you can only get in if > you come with a really hot chick. If you are a hot > chick i guess that means you can get in on your own. > not sure if this is true, heard it from a friend who > indirectly knows bill. Too bad i'm in the Uk otherwise > i'd check it out. Anyone in nyc>? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Drew=20Abington=20The=20KLF?= Subject: (klf) Bill in NYC--clarification Date: 22 Jun 2001 17:47:54 +0100 (BST) 22 June. It is me again. It's not a one word name club. It's rain on fifth or something like this. I would ask my friend but he has gone to Germany for two weeks. It's supposed to be a secret but obviously word has gotten out. The club is supposed to be really crowded tomorrow (23 June) for some show as it is, but if you are with a hot chick they may let you in regardless, especially if you are K-Related. I cannot guarantee that this is true, this is just what I heard. So if it's not true don't come crying to me please. Anyone else in the NYC area heard of this place? Let me know what happens. I will post more if I find out. .DREW ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Drew=20Abington=20The=20KLF?= Subject: (klf) Bill in NYC--Update! Date: 23 Jun 2001 20:37:37 +0100 (BST) 23 June 2001 Happy 23rd everyone. I have some additional information about Bill Drummond in New York City tonight. The place is rain on fifth at 11:30 NYC local time. ask around if you can't find it, i don't believ there is a sign for it. it's an exclusive place that you have to know someone or be someone to get into. but the bouncers will let you in if you come with a hot lady or are a hot lady. some performer will be there and i hear it will be crowded. if you are just a guy dont even bother to go because you wont get in. if you know hot chicks bring a few so other guys on the list can get in. not sure what the cover is. heard it's about 10 pounds. will someone take photographs for me? thanks. Cheers! .DREW ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alex" Subject: Re: (klf) Bill in NYC--Update! Date: 23 Jun 2001 21:44:32 +0100 > if > you know hot chicks bring a few so other guys on the > list can get in. not sure what the cover is. heard > it's about 10 pounds. will someone take photographs > for me? thanks. Cheers! > .DREW heh you just want pics of all the hot chicks dont you ;) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Drew=20Abington=20The=20KLF?= Subject: (klf) Bill in NYC, who was there? Date: 24 Jun 2001 20:45:19 +0100 (BST) I talked to a friend who lives in NYC that was there. Anyone else go? He said there were not many hot girls so I assume that means most of you did not attend. Post info if you went. Any photos? Did you see Bill? ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) Bill in NYC, who was there? Date: 25 Jun 2001 01:06:01 EDT > I talked to a friend who lives in NYC that was there. How about telling us what your friend had to say about the event? -paul Currently in rotation: Art of Mix - Ultra Hot Art 4 (psb); Fatboy Slim - A Break from the Norm; Paul McCartney - Wingspan; ELO - Zoom "...and the lights went out in his eyes for the very last time." ~ Douglas Adams 1952-2001 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: micah Subject: Re: (klf) Bill in NYC--Update! Date: 25 Jun 2001 15:46:26 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, 23 Jun 2001, [iso-8859-1] Drew Abington The KLF wrote: > Happy 23rd everyone. I have some additional > information about Bill Drummond in New York City > tonight. The place is rain on fifth at 11:30 NYC local > time. ask around if you can't find it, i don't believ > there is a sign for it. it's an exclusive place that > you have to know someone or be someone to get into. > but the bouncers will let you in if you come with a > hot lady or are a hot lady. some performer will be > there and i hear it will be crowded. if you are just a > guy dont even bother to go because you wont get in. if > you know hot chicks bring a few so other guys on the > list can get in. not sure what the cover is. heard > it's about 10 pounds. will someone take photographs > for me? thanks. Cheers! i ended up not going because i couldn't find any info on it whatsoever. the day after i asked a friend of mine if he'd heard of the place and he said he did, it was one of those kind of places that tries desperately hard to be hip and trendy and just ends up being dumb. 10 quid to get in? i don't think too many new yorkers have ten quid on them. ;) laerm@sdf.lonestar.org | micah stupak | backup account | still anti-html if you sent me an email since 21 june 2001 and i didn't reply, i didn't get it - please send it to this address. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: micah Subject: Re: (klf) Bill in NYC, who was there? Date: 25 Jun 2001 15:53:30 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, [iso-8859-1] Drew Abington The KLF wrote: > I talked to a friend who lives in NYC that was there. > Anyone else go? He said there were not many hot girls > so I assume that means most of you did not attend. > Post info if you went. Any photos? Did you see Bill? who, calm down - how many people on this list do you think live in nyc? i think it's just me. and i guarantee you we're not all "hot girls". so, none of us went. what does your friend say? laerm@sdf.lonestar.org | micah stupak | backup account | still anti-html if you sent me an email since 21 june 2001 and i didn't reply, i didn't get it - please send it to this address. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (klf) Shag Times rerelease Date: 25 Jun 2001 18:32:43 +0100 Looks like it's another bootleg "re-issue"... ...Picadilly Records (in Manchester) have added it to their list of new releaes: "KLF : Shag Times - 2xLP £11.99 KLF Communications : JAMSDLP1 - 1988 double album featuring past KLF / Justified Ancients Of Mu Mu glories, such as "Doctorin' the Tardis" and "Whitney Joins the Jams", after the sample scandal which led to the recall of "1987 (What The Fuck's Going On?)". Very limited re-issue." Incidentally, Action Records are a very good record shop - keep checking their items, as they do often get second-hand copies of some records... l8rs, Nick ;-) > > This could be a second-hand copy that they've gotten their > hands on, or a > > mint original they've dug up from somewhere, or it might be > another one of > > the quite long string of represses of KLF vinyl? > > I used to live in Preston where Action Records are from and when I > lived there they kept turning up with unusual hard to find records. > Most of the time they are second hand copies, although > sometimes they'll do a Virgin where they display a record that is > available on order yet when they try and order it, they don't actually > get it in. In 1997 they put ***K The Millennium on that list yet when > I went to buy it they couldn't get hold of it (Our Price had it on > display!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) Bill in NYC--Update! Date: 25 Jun 2001 20:47:04 > >10 quid to get in? i don't think too many new yorkers have ten quid on >them. ;) Wha? If you can afford to live in NYC, (where rent in a 1 bedroom apartment is $1000 a month) 10 quid is nothing. Chad Gombosi Member SCP www.scponline.net Chad's Game Music Page www.chadsgamemusic.com MP3.com page: www.mp3.com/signofzeta "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (klf) Bill in NYC--Update! Date: 25 Jun 2001 22:21:47 +0100 > >10 quid to get in? i don't think too many new yorkers have ten quid on > >them. ;) > > Wha? > > If you can afford to live in NYC, (where rent in a 1 bedroom apartment is > $1000 a month) 10 quid is nothing. But of course, the $1000 a month is in dollars, not pounds!! ;-) l8rs, Nick ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jerry Quartley Subject: Re: (klf) Bill in NYC--Update! Date: 25 Jun 2001 17:25:44 -0400 Did anyone figure out where this was? 5th ave is about 8 miles long and 5th street is about 2 Drew Abington The KLF wrote: > 23 June 2001 > > Happy 23rd everyone. I have some additional > information about Bill Drummond in New York City > tonight. The place is rain on fifth at 11:30 NYC local > time. ask around if you can't find it, i don't believ > there is a sign for it. it's an exclusive place that > you have to know someone or be someone to get into. > but the bouncers will let you in if you come with a # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jerry Quartley Subject: Re: (klf) Bill in NYC--Update! Date: 25 Jun 2001 18:19:16 -0400 Even if it were in pounds, it would only be $1,350, which for a one bedroom is still a bargain! Nick King wrote: > > >10 quid to get in? i don't think too many new yorkers have ten quid on > > >them. ;) > > > > Wha? > > > > If you can afford to live in NYC, (where rent in a 1 bedroom apartment is > > $1000 a month) 10 quid is nothing. > > But of course, the $1000 a month is in dollars, not pounds!! ;-) > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: RE: (klf) Bill in NYC--Update! Date: 26 Jun 2001 05:13:23 >But of course, the $1000 a month is in dollars, not pounds!! ;-) > >l8rs, Ah yes. My mistake I guess. Chad Gombosi Member SCP www.scponline.net Chad's Game Music Page www.chadsgamemusic.com MP3.com page: www.mp3.com/signofzeta "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: laerm Subject: Re: (klf) Bill in NYC--Update! Date: 26 Jun 2001 11:52:10 -0400 (EDT) On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Chad Gombosi wrote: > Wha? > > If you can afford to live in NYC, (where rent in a 1 bedroom apartment > is $1000 a month) 10 quid is nothing. actually, i meant that if they asked me for 10UKP at the door, i would have been hard pressed to pull out currency with a pic of the queen on it. ;) and, if you must know, i live in a very nice 2br in a good building in a good neighborhood of manhattan for less than $1000 a month. micah stupak /"\ laerm@soulfood.org ascii ribbon campaign \ / international bright young kook against HTML email X / \ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JRQ Subject: Re: (klf) Bill in NYC--Update! Date: 26 Jun 2001 13:03:45 -0400 rent-controlled buildings are great if you live in them :) laerm wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Chad Gombosi wrote: > > > Wha? > > > > If you can afford to live in NYC, (where rent in a 1 bedroom apartment > > is $1000 a month) 10 quid is nothing. > > actually, i meant that if they asked me for 10UKP at the door, i would > have been hard pressed to pull out currency with a pic of the queen on it. > ;) > > and, if you must know, i live in a very nice 2br in a good building in a > good neighborhood of manhattan for less than $1000 a month. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Hauner Subject: (klf) OT: U96 Discography Date: 29 Jun 2001 09:06:15 +0200 (CEST) Hi, because I know, that there are several fans of U96, I'm sending notice also to this forum: http://u96.hauner.cz/ On this address you can find discography of U96 (you maybe know megahit Das Boot from 1992). Albums, singles, compilation appearences, tracklist, some lyrics etc. I will be glad, if you could correct or add some information =) (Discography is using CSS2, so rather use new browsers as Mozilla, MSIE5.x or MSIE 6.x, Netscape 6.x, Opera etc.) -- Adam Hauner -=[ AHA ]=[ aha@pinknet.cz ]=[ Koukni na http://www.postcard.cz/ ]=- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: (klf) OT: Front 242 Remix cd Date: 29 Jun 2001 16:46:14 +1000 hi all, i just didnt buy a front 242 remix cd. i cant remember the title but lots of orb mixes, a prodigy mix, and a underworld remix from memory. i didnt listen to it - it was described as slower and ambient than a normal front242 album (which wouldnt be hard). it was basically i dont have funds situation otherwise i'd have got it. has any one heard it? did i do a really stupid thing? the list would probably prefer emailed replies but sputcorp is having hiccups. pls reply to notbrendan@bigfoot.com thanx brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: (klf) SPOTTED: The Manual, Brunswick St, Melbourne, Australia. Date: 29 Jun 2001 17:13:54 +1000 if anybody's still after a copy, there's currently 3. $35au. its really, really small. Polyester Books www.polyester.com.au will have the phone number if you need it or email me at notbrendan@bigfoot.com thanx brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ulrik Brandt" Subject: (klf) www.international-artists.com Date: 29 Jun 2001 14:12:38 +0200 Hi. Our good friends at International Artists (www.international-artists.com, the funnies website in history) have this posted at their site. Look at tracks they will perform, especially the encores at their "Jam Finale", Dancing Queen, ha ha, reminds you of something??? And Eric Floyd has joined the Jams, just great, who needs Bill and Jimmy, Wanda and Eric ARE the KLF!!! And BTW: They also got Frankie Goes To Hollywood????????? Ulrik _______________________________________________________ International Artists presents Eric Floyd's 2001- DIVA FEVER REVUE -2001 AN ALL-STAR GALA CONCERT CELEBRATING 3 DECADES OF DANCE -featuring- (click on a name for more info) FREDA PAYNE CECE PENISTON LOLEATTA HOLLOWAY WANDA DEE & THE KLF with special guest star M.C., ERIC FLOYD ('Jerome' of TV's "FAME") Together, these femme fatales have sold over 30 million records worldwide, with enough classic Pop, Club, Dance, Techno & Soul hits to have kept the world jumping & pumping for the past three decades...burning through the 70's early Soul & Disco era, searing on into the 80's Progressive House & Club era and sizzling into the 90's with some of the best Techno/Pop sounds of that decade... Some of their classic and contemporary Top Ten smashes that they perform during this 2-hour extravaganza will include the following.... be there when the "BAND OF GOLD" * "FINALLY" * "LOVE SENSATION" * "3AM ETERNAL" * "BRING THE BOYS HOME" * "KEEP ON WALKIN'" * "RUNAWAY" * "WHAT TIME IS LOVE?" * "HERE'S TO LIFE" * "I'M IN THE MOOD" * "RELIGHT MY FIRE" * "LAST TRAIN TO TRANCENTRAL" * "YOUNG HEARTS RUN FREE" * "INSIDE THAT I CRIED" * "RIDE ON TIME" * "ALL BOUND FOR MU MU LAND" * "WANT ADS" * "WE GOT A LOVE THANG" * "SHOUT IT FROM THE TOP" * "I LIKE IT HARD!" * "HIT BY LOVE" * "HIT & RUN" * "LIFETIME TO LOVE" * and their all-star jam finale' of "DANCING QUEEN" & "I WILL SURVIVE" never fails to bring the house down... Queens Of The Night... Unite! ___________________________________________ Salsa Claus is Coming to Town # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brendan" Subject: (klf) New? compilation with "Make It Rain" - COOL 90s Date: 30 Jun 2001 22:39:26 +1000 hi all, a new one for the discog :-) if those compiling it need more details, can you email me on notbrendan@bigfoot.com (rather than reply to sputcorp) it'd be appreciated. i'm having hiccups on sputcorp. Various Artists - COOL 90s 27DC mush33245.2 12. KLF - Make It Rain doesnt specify the mix - sounds at first listen like the one from whiteroom album. +-- |http://www.27dc.com.au/wwc/cool90s/cool90s.html <- CD Details |http://www.27dc.com.au/wwc/wwc.html <- world wide cool progject +-- warning - its wanky flash stuff. not much detail about what the project is but it gives a track listing. i found it online at chaos. i was looking for a tracklisting so i could cut/paste/belazy but i'll type it all below in a minute. anyway, for those who want it ------------ http://www.chaosmusic.com/shop/detail.asp?productID=459933 AU$23.95 US$11.491 Local Festival Supplied Product On Order: Usually ships within 1-2 weeks2 ------------ From the cd label.... COOL 90s The birth of the COOL series A CD that gathers together a cross-section of musical styles, influences and attitudes in the tracks we loved to groove to in the 1990's. If the 70's saw the advent of disco - the 80's electronica and house, the 90's can be identified with the injection of hip hop beats, loops and floating vocals into our dancefloors. I am pleased to present to you this collection of songs for your party pleasure. please enjoy the COOL tracks 90-99 ben cunningham track listing 4:12 1. Definiton of Sound - Pass the vibes 3:51 2. Crystal Waters - Gypsy Woman (shes homeless) 4:39 3. US3 - Cantaloop 4:16 4. PM Dawn - Set Adrift on Memory Bliss 6:20 5. Kylie Minogue - Shocked (DNA Mix) 4:44 6. Ice T - New Jack Hustler 4:59 7. Tony Toni Tone - Lets get down 5:01 8. Stero MC's - Step It Up 3:46 9. Lovestation - Teardrops 3:52 10. Deee Lite - Grove Is in the Heart 3:59 11. Blueboy - Remember Me 4:01 12. KLF - Make It Rain 6:03 13. Liquid - Liquid Love 5:32 14. Chemical Brothers - Leave Home 3:59 15. Moby - Go 7:22 16. A Homeboy, A Hippy and A Funky Dread - Total Confusion (Heavenly Mix) most of the songs sound like the standard edit/radio/whatevergotmostplay versions. winamp says MIR is 4:03 if that makes a difference? my review: i got a 'promo use only' 2nd hand for $16au. i didnt get a chance to listen to it before purchase, but its nice to have a couple of these on cd, esp the last track. it was always a favourite on vinyl. the klf track being there was really just a bonus. if it had been something new/rare it would have been a lucky bonus. klf fans with whiteroom probably dont need this cd. i'm expecting i'll be able to slip this on when my parents visit and they probably wont notice. compared to other cds of mine, this is quiet and relaxing. OT: does anyone have any Total Confusion remixes they can share? cheers brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf