From: Eric Dietiker Subject: Re: (klr650) 55/100 v. 80/100 bulb upgrade Date: 30 Apr 1998 23:14:10 +0100 When I bought my KLR used, it had a 55/100 bulb in it. I had repeated problems with the fuse blowing, so I finally put the stock bulb back in. Eric. >Just a thought abou t upgrading the lighting on the KLRs. >Feedback from you engineering types is welcome AND encouraged! > >Considering the frailties of the stock wiring it makes sense (to me) to >use a 55/100 as opposed >to the 80/100. The low beam constantly burns. The 80 will place in >increased burden on the >wires. I would believe you would only need the high beam at night (no >snickering), and limited >use at that (in most case). Thereby limiting the abuse to the wires. >So, whaddya think??? > >Alex Jomarron >Oak Park, IL >88 BMW K75S >98 KLR 650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Watkins4" Subject: Re: (klr650) Coolant Leak Date: 01 May 1998 00:25:36 -0600 Tom, I gotta jump in here man. Am I correct in reading that this thing is designed to leak? I can't buy that one at all. Not even if it came from a used car salesman. The hole you refer to is commonly called a "tell tale" hole. It's designed to allow coolant leaking past the seal or gasket to be seen BEFORE the seal or gasket fails big time. Under no circumstances should you see ANY collant at all leaking from the pump under normal conditions, the rad or the reservoir. The bottom line is that if you see collant leaking from the tell tale hole expect a water pump seal, gasket, or bearing failure in a short time. Don't let someone tell you that it's designed to leak. A word to the wise, in my time as a mechanic I never saw a gasket fail on a water pump. I saw MANY seals and bearings which usually meant a replacement pump. For what it's worth......... There is only one bike that leaks fluids under normal conditions - If a Harley Davidson ISN't leaking something......IT's EMPTY :-)) Dave Watkins 95 KLR Calgary, Alberta 84 V65 Sabre Tom Simpson wrote: > > At 02:04 PM 4/30/98 -0400, Kovach E wrote: > >Tom > >NO- the hole in the bottom of the pump is for what they call a mechanical > seal it's normal to have a small amount of coolant weep from this opening. > > A little bit, sure. A *lot* is indicative of a seal failure. > > -Tom > '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Coolant Leak Date: 01 May 1998 06:15:46 -0400 For what it's worth, concerning the weep hole. The seals,bearings,etc in the water pump sound like a desiign problem. Get the leak fixed as soon as possible! Todd A11 Dry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Coolant Leak Date: 01 May 1998 06:49:48 -0700 At 12:25 AM 5/1/98 -0600, Dave Watkins4 wrote: >Tom, > I gotta jump in here man. Am I correct in reading that this thing is >designed to leak? I can't buy that one at all. Not even if it came from >a used car salesman. > > The hole you refer to is commonly called a "tell tale" hole. It's >designed to allow coolant leaking past the seal or gasket to be seen >BEFORE the seal or gasket fails big time. Under no circumstances should >you see ANY collant at all leaking from the pump under normal >conditions, the rad or the reservoir. > > The bottom line is that if you see collant leaking from the tell tale >hole expect a water pump seal, gasket, or bearing failure in a short >time. Don't let someone tell you that it's designed to leak. A word to >the wise, in my time as a mechanic I never saw a gasket fail on a water >pump. I saw MANY seals and bearings which usually meant a replacement >pump. > Mine exibits a tiny trace of dried residue, as if it had dribbled slightly in the past. I have experienced no noticable loss of cooolant since purchasing he bike and have not noted any actual dribbling, however. > >There is only one bike that leaks fluids under normal conditions - If a >Harley Davidson ISN't leaking something......IT's EMPTY :-)) You are a cruel (but truthful) man. :) -Tom '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Coolant Leak Date: 01 May 1998 06:53:10 -0700 At 06:15 AM 5/1/98 -0400, temsley@ix.netcom.com wrote: >For what it's worth, concerning the weep hole. The seals,bearings,etc in >the water pump sound like a desiign problem. Get the leak fixed as soon >as possible! That is probably overstating things a bit. The KLR occasionaly suffers seal failures, but no more often than any other water-cooled bike. The price you pay for not being air-cooled, I suppose. -Tom '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Barthell Subject: Re: (klr650) Coolant Leak/Warrenty Date: 01 May 1998 06:44:22 -0500 Ed wrote: > Does the newer rear shock seem any better than the older ones? My new > one that was replaced just recently under warrenty seems like a good > ride. But have to wonder if that was because the old one was that > baaad. Yeah... ain't it the truth, (picture an old man stroking beard and looking up at the ceiling...) Why I remember when I had my first warranty shock replacement... That new shock sure rode better... but it didn't take long... First hot day as I recollect.... that's when the second shock began to loose its umph... (umph??? is that a word?? Hmmm maybe it's Austrailian... er Austrian... er..) Your right Ed, getting the shock replaced feels a lot better. You climb on and go "Yeah! that's the way it's supposed to feel!" Only thing is, you ought to get a load of the aftermarket shocks. First time I planted my butt on my new one I was shocked, (oopps sorry no pun intended). "Oh, no wait, now _this_ is the way it's supposed to feel!". I am anxious to hear from Gino how the Progressive shock rides. -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kovach E Subject: Re: (klr650) Coolant Leak Date: 01 May 1998 08:35:37 -0400 Dave shortly after buying a 85 K100RT the first year of production with 4 miles I noticed coolent from the hole at the bottom of the water pump. This only happens after a 400 or 600 mile day after 50,000 plus miles on this bike I have not had any coolent problemns. Having talked to the BMW tech guys at the Florida national that year it was explained to me about mechainal pump seals.Never trusting a single opinion especially for a bike that was close to the national debt to purchase I spoke with a pump engineer and got the same response. Now as to what a "lot" is in terms of how much coolent is leaking and the amount of time it has leaked that I can't answer. cio evan... >>> "Dave Watkins4" 05/01/98 02:25AM >>> Tom, I gotta jump in here man. Am I correct in reading that this thing is designed to leak? I can't buy that one at all. Not even if it came from a used car salesman. The hole you refer to is commonly called a "tell tale" hole. It's designed to allow coolant leaking past the seal or gasket to be seen BEFORE the seal or gasket fails big time. Under no circumstances should you see ANY collant at all leaking from the pump under normal conditions, the rad or the reservoir. The bottom line is that if you see collant leaking from the tell tale hole expect a water pump seal, gasket, or bearing failure in a short time. Don't let someone tell you that it's designed to leak. A word to the wise, in my time as a mechanic I never saw a gasket fail on a water pump. I saw MANY seals and bearings which usually meant a replacement pump. For what it's worth......... There is only one bike that leaks fluids under normal conditions - If a Harley Davidson ISN't leaking something......IT's EMPTY :-)) Dave Watkins 95 KLR Calgary, Alberta 84 V65 Sabre Tom Simpson wrote: > > At 02:04 PM 4/30/98 -0400, Kovach E wrote: > >Tom > >NO- the hole in the bottom of the pump is for what they call a mechanical > seal it's normal to have a small amount of coolant weep from this opening. > > A little bit, sure. A *lot* is indicative of a seal failure. > > -Tom > '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Kaub Subject: (klr650) Water Pump Leaks Date: 01 May 1998 09:02:00 Morning: If it leaks it's bad and needs to be replaced. Thanks. Bob Kaub SUNY Binghamton Watson School Student Shop PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607-777-2715 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Vervaeke Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR and Moab - Problem Resolution Date: 01 May 1998 07:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Jim: The dealer in Colorado Springs is Apex Sports. Downtown (we don't have much of a downtown) and easy access from I-25 when passing through. Tom ---Jim Barthell wrote: > > Tom Vervaeke wrote: > > > Yesterday I visited my local dealer and explained the situation to the > > service > > people. Without even asking they brought up the parts fiche, reviewed the > > missing parts, and ordered the 4 needed parts (the threaded screw coming back > > from the axle (mine was bent when the plate departed), the 2 nuts that hold > > each other on, and the washer. They offered to put the parts on and service > > and adjust the chain for me. > > Hang on to this dealer Tom, this is a good one. Who is it, in case we need a > dealer in CO. > > -- > Jim Barthell - TX > > '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 > FSSNOC #2421 > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Pics: Ranger Alysha Date: 01 May 1998 08:29:07 -0600 Kathleen wrote: > Then again, some of you rally riders look kinda cute!!!! > > Kathleen Does this mean you'll be joining us next year? -- Kurt Simpson KLR650 A12 HawkGT '89 CB750K4 FS Ask me how to subscribe to the KLR Dual Sport Newsletter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) happy 89 klrist Date: 01 May 1998 08:46:22 -0600 Ry Com wrote: > > I replaced the 10 year old worn shock with a progressive, and now the > bike handles normally-- no more oingo-boingo. This also seemed to raise > the bike about 1-1 1/2 inches. great, I can barely reach the ground now.. > I was wondering if anyone has had problems with the + 7 windscreen off > road. Mine is gone, so I will need a replacement. I am planning a > several thousand mile trip this summer, so the +7 seems like a better > choice. I have one and don't hesitate to recommend it. It is very good on the highway and acceptable (flops a bit) off-road). A couple of us are trying Stealth edging as well... > > Any suggestions for the front end besides brake lines and better lights? > I've already got new grips, hand gaurds, and fork boots. How big of > difference in the progressive springs? People report excellent results with the Acerbis plastic or new plastic and metal, I use Moose aluminum and like them. Any of the three will eliminate the possibility of bar end weights and or the throttlemeister that Jim has been talking about. In that case you can do the throttle lock mod. Many people have good results with the Pro Grip Gel Grips. Progressive springs are considered kind of a must with the oingo boingo front end especially after changes to the front brakes... > > Thanks again for all your help in the last month. > I probably would not have touched any of this without your help. > > Ryan > 89 klr runs great > 92 gsf 400 getting jealous -- Kurt Simpson KLR650 A12 HawkGT '89 CB750K4 FS Ask me how to subscribe to the KLR Dual Sport Newsletter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) Coolant Leak Date: 01 May 1998 11:09:38 -0400 I'm uncomfortable with any coolant leak, just like I'd be uncomfortable with a slow blood leak. It just doesn't make sense to have a mechanical seal weep in such a critical environment. I can just hear a tech tell the trans-Sahara rider, "Oh yeah, losing coolant that way is normal...) Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) FW: Date: 01 May 1998 11:11:07 -0400 You can buy nylon rim protectors to protect the rim from tire irons. Clips on the rim. Kawasaki makes some, part no. 57001-1063 but there are others. Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) Sprockets...and Arrowhead... Date: 01 May 1998 11:11:43 -0400 Two things - First, I just finished ordering a bunch of stuff from Fred and it showed up at my door within a few days. It would have taken my local parts fellow a couple of weeks or more. Fred spent time with me on the phone answering all my pesky questions, too. Second, didn't Gino talk about (in the newsletter some time back) a preference to maintain even or odd-numbered sprocket teeth on each pair of sprockets on a bike, IOW, don't mix even and odd numbered sprockets on the same bike? Anybody know about this or am I up a tree by myself on this one? Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Sprockets...and Arrowhead... Date: 01 May 1998 09:18:00 -0600 > Second, didn't Gino talk about (in the newsletter some time back) a > preference to maintain even or odd-numbered sprocket teeth on each pair of > sprockets on a bike, IOW, don't mix even and odd numbered sprockets on the > same bike? Anybody know about this or am I up a tree by myself on this one? No..you are not...it came from advice given by Jake Jakeman who says the odd numbered arrangment produces a "hunting tooth effect". Jake has explained this to me at least three times (the last in my RV about midnight the last night before leaving Moab) and I still don't get it...so until someone else can help me understand this I have to put it in the same category as the rpm thing... I have to thank you Stuart, in trying to find the reference for "hunting tooth" I paged through a back issue of DSN and found a reference to a company that makes 16 tooth sprockets for KLR's...I'll check them out and let the list know. > Stuart > > -- Kurt Simpson KLR650 A12 OB HawkGT '89 FS XS-650 '77 FS XS-650 '79 FS XS-650 '80 FS Ask me how to subscribe to the KLR Dual Sport Newsletter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt Simpson Subject: (klr650) Top of the Line luggage racks... Date: 01 May 1998 09:24:30 -0600 In Moab I had a chance to personally examine one of the Top of the line luggage racks that Gino reviewed in the May/June 1997 issue of DSN. I was impressed, I'm thinking that I'll be able to mount my Kawi tail bag on the rack perpendicular to the bike and get the best of both worlds. I can take the bag off when I want the bigger rack underneath; I can use the tail bag without having to give up passenger space. So, here is some update info for those who might be interested: Touring Trends (distributor for TOL luggage plates) has been sold. The new owner's name is Jeff. You best ask for him because anyone else will tell you they do not make parts for the KLR. Jeff did not purchase knowledge rights from the former owner Frank Walker and so does not have the templates sent by Gino to make the plates directly for the KLR. So, it will be up to us to do the mods (which seem limited to pulling our plate and using it as a template and drilling two new holes). The part # is BMW-002. They no longer sell to the public and you have to order through a dealer. I have asked Fred to call them to become a distributor. You can call Jeff at 1-800-782-4686. -- Kurt Simpson KLR650 A12 OB HawkGT '89 FS XS-650 '77 FS XS-650 '79 FS XS-650 '80 FS Ask me how to subscribe to the KLR Dual Sport Newsletter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Barthell Subject: (klr650) Parts wanted Date: 01 May 1998 10:54:18 -0500 Since many of you seem to replace some of the OEM parts I really like, I thought there may be a win/win opportunity here. I'd be interested in hearing from folks who may have any of the following OEM parts available: Footpegs Muffler (in pre-VW sounding condition... visual condition is not as important) Air-filter Gas tank (6.1 gallon version if there is more than one style.) Most any of the pieces from a post '96 model (spares) Thanks in advance, -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cloudhid Subject: (klr650) Sprocket to me..... Date: 01 May 1998 12:02:52 EDT In a message dated 5/1/98 8:28:07 AM, ajax@xmission.com wrote:snip >I have to thank you Stuart, in trying to find the reference >for "hunting tooth" I paged through a back issue of DSN and >found a reference to a company that makes 16 tooth sprockets >for KLR's...I'll check them out and let the list know. My confusion compounds. I can't speak for your '98, but my '96 stock rear is a 43 tufus, (15 front). So is it preferable to put a 16 on the countershaft rather than a 17 ? Ron (A10, who is frequently Confucius) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert frey" Subject: (klr650) Whistling KLR Date: 01 May 1998 12:16:33 -0400 My son's got a '93 KLR650 and it whistles! Mostly at idle and just off idle, disappears with more open throttle. We already blew out the spark arrestor and can't figure out where there might be some blockage and how to get to it. It doesn't hurt the machines performance. Anybody else got a whistler? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Sprocket to me..... Date: 01 May 1998 10:12:57 -0600 That is what Stuart is asking. I don't want to go up 2 teeth until I can see the effect of just 1. I already have heard people report that a fully loaded KLR has trouble holding its own in a headwind. So, again, the point is that it looks to me like the 15 is a compromise and a 14 - 16 would be better. Jake uses a 13/15 on a rear 39 and maybe that is a better combination. Or, is it just like the rpm thing? What exactly is "the hunting tooth effect" is it similar to a "passing gear"? (;-) Cloudhid wrote: > > In a message dated 5/1/98 8:28:07 AM, ajax@xmission.com wrote:snip > >I have to thank you Stuart, in trying to find the reference > >for "hunting tooth" I paged through a back issue of DSN and > >found a reference to a company that makes 16 tooth sprockets > >for KLR's...I'll check them out and let the list know. > > My confusion compounds. I can't speak for your '98, but my '96 > stock rear is a 43 tufus, (15 front). So is it preferable to put > a 16 on the countershaft rather than a 17 ? > Ron (A10, who is frequently Confucius) -- Kurt Simpson KLR650 A12 OB HawkGT '89 FS XS-650 '77 FS XS-650 '79 FS XS-650 '80 FS Ask me how to subscribe to the KLR Dual Sport Newsletter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Whistling KLR Date: 01 May 1998 10:15:02 -0600 Mine just started a whistling (sounds like a vacuum leak) when the choke is engaged...goes away when the choke is off. Robert frey wrote: > > My son's got a '93 KLR650 and it whistles! Mostly at idle and just off idle, > disappears with more open throttle. We already blew out the spark arrestor > and can't figure out where there might be some blockage and how to get to > it. It doesn't hurt the machines performance. Anybody else got a whistler? -- Kurt Simpson KLR650 A12 OB HawkGT '89 FS XS-650 '77 FS XS-650 '79 FS XS-650 '80 FS Ask me how to subscribe to the KLR Dual Sport Newsletter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) Sprockets...and Arrowhead... Date: 01 May 1998 12:47:37 -0400 Kurt: I don't understand what Jake means either, and maybe he can help us out here. But I've had experience with a sort of "hunting tooth" effect on bicycles, and while I'm hesitant to draw an analogy in this case, the experience has been with over 200,000 miles of competitiion road, sprint and pursuit riding experience approximately 70 pounds ago. I found that if I ran a certain front and rear sprocket set on the same chain for extended miles, then tried to run a new chain on the old sprockets, or an old chain on new sprockets, that the chain lifted off the sprocket and skipped. Chains stretch, sprockets wear. I usually ran Regina Gold (Oro) components which wore better than regular steel sprockets and chains. The skipping, or "hunting tooth" behavior happened mostly during acceleration (hence the high squeaky voice) or very low torque conditions. A steady pressure managed to keep the chain on the sprocket. Most of the skipping problems happened on the smaller sprockets (13-23 teeth), though it also happened on the larger chainwheels (45-52 teeth). From then on I made sure that driveline sets were fully replaced and matched in age and condition - even to the point of making sure the older chains were always reinstalled in the same direction when corresponding sprocket sets were changed. It did not matter whether the gears were even or odd - toothed. Stuart >...from advice given by Jake Jakeman >who says the odd numbered arrangment produces a "hunting >tooth effect". Jake has explained this to me at least three >times (the last in my RV about midnight the last night >before leaving Moab) and I still don't get it...so until >someone else can help me understand this I have to put it in >the same category as the rpm thing... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) Sprocket to me..... Date: 01 May 1998 13:00:08 -0400 Kurt, Jake's contention is that we can always drop a gear, so maybe the compromise should take into account the number of windy days actually encountered. I know that I can almost "hear" the fuel pouring through the carb when battling a 30 mph headwind, and I've been guilty of removing my Joe Rocket just to reduce the drag profile. (After Gino though, I don't think I'll do that anymore.) Stuart I already have heard >people report that a fully loaded KLR has trouble holding >its own in a headwind. So, again, the point is that it looks >to me like the 15 is a compromise and a 14 - 16 would be >better. Jake uses a 13/15 on a rear 39 and maybe that is a >better combination. Or, is it just like the rpm thing? What >exactly is "the hunting tooth effect" is it similar to a >"passing gear"? (;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Barthell Subject: Re: (klr650) Whistling KLR Date: 01 May 1998 13:47:22 -0500 Kurt Simpson wrote: > Mine just started a whistling (sounds like a vacuum leak) > when the choke is engaged...goes away when the choke is off. > > Robert frey wrote: > > > > My son's got a '93 KLR650 and it whistles! Mostly at idle and just off idle, > > disappears with more open throttle. We already blew out the spark arrestor > > and can't figure out where there might be some blockage and how to get to > > it. It doesn't hurt the machines performance. Anybody else got a whistler? Does it sound like a VW Beetle??? If yes, I had my muffler replaced under warranty for this, "blown internal baffles" I said to the service manager, "I read about it on the internet and it should be replaced under warranty"... they did. -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beez@Cyra.COM (Christopher Beasley) Subject: Re: (klr650) Whistling KLR Date: 01 May 1998 12:41:22 -0700 Oh, So that's what that noise is. I have had this for so long I'm kinda used to it. Most of the other KLR's I've seen on the road do it too. I think I have mine isolated to the joint between the header and the tailpipe. It leaks there. With more gas on the leak goes ultrasonic. It's still there, only my dog can hear it. :-) Hopefully my SuperTrapp will be in on monday and the whistle will go away. I'll keep ya 'posted'. b At 01:47 PM 5/1/98 -0500, Jim Barthell wrote: >Kurt Simpson wrote: > >> Mine just started a whistling (sounds like a vacuum leak) >> when the choke is engaged...goes away when the choke is off. >> >> Robert frey wrote: >> > >> > My son's got a '93 KLR650 and it whistles! Mostly at idle and just off idle, >> > disappears with more open throttle. We already blew out the spark arrestor >> > and can't figure out where there might be some blockage and how to get to >> > it. It doesn't hurt the machines performance. Anybody else got a whistler? > >Does it sound like a VW Beetle??? If yes, I had my muffler replaced under warranty >for this, "blown internal baffles" I said to the service manager, "I read about it >on the internet and it should be replaced under warranty"... they did. > >-- >Jim Barthell - TX > >'97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 >FSSNOC #2421 > > > > > Christopher J. Beasley beez@cyra.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pokluda, Gino F" Subject: (klr650) IRC GP110 Date: 01 May 1998 13:40:59 -0600 >>The aggresive looking treads are GP 110's. I like 'em on street and >>just less than stock on dirt. Only have 1000 miles on them...947 miles >>of it at Moab....so will withhold further comment, but others have more >>experience with GP110's....anybody? I'm kinda fond of the GP110. It's round and black and has done well for me. They have gone up in price though, and for a few dollars more, you can get into a set of Gripsters which seem to get better mileage. I'll have about 11K on my front GP110 by the time it is ready to be replaced and the rears seem to last about 6-7K miles. They hook up okay on most stuff you would take a KLR through and I love the way they howl when you lean hard into a curve on pavement. Gino ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Dahlheimer Subject: (klr650) co2 Date: 01 May 1998 16:26:23 -0400 Hi. Tryinta prepare for my first long-distance road trip, "Boynton or Bust '98", leaving NJ on 5/8. Just received Travelcade seat kit, highway pegs, NEP throttle lock, gel grips, gel gloves. Hoping that my friends JC Whitney bolt-on windshield will fit my bike. Also bought a tire repair kit, which comes with three CO2 containers. Is that enough to fill a tube? Any suggestions for a newbie long-distance cruiser welcome. thanks. _pete 97KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Dahlheimer Subject: (klr650) highway pegs Date: 01 May 1998 16:28:54 -0400 No instructions came with the highway pegs. Any suggestions/comments from anyone experienced? _pete 97KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Magnatta" Subject: Re: (klr650) 55/100 v. 80/100 bulb upgrade Date: 01 May 1998 17:09:58 -0400 Eric: I've running a 90/100w bulb for quite a long time with no fuse blowing problems. Someone a month or so ago mentioned that they suspected vibration may be responsible for intermittent and undetectable fuse blowing. Recently I replaced the two old glass style fuses on my '89 with two new automotive blade style fuseholders and fuses. Cheap insurance, I think... Michael Magnatta -----Original Message----- When I bought my KLR used, it had a 55/100 bulb in it. I had repeated problems with the fuse blowing, so I finally put the stock bulb back in. Eric. >Just a thought abou t upgrading the lighting on the KLRs. >Feedback from you engineering types is welcome AND encouraged! > >Considering the frailties of the stock wiring it makes sense (to me) to >use a 55/100 as opposed >to the 80/100. The low beam constantly burns. The 80 will place in >increased burden on the >wires. I would believe you would only need the high beam at night (no >snickering), and limited >use at that (in most case). Thereby limiting the abuse to the wires. >So, whaddya think??? > >Alex Jomarron >Oak Park, IL >88 BMW K75S >98 KLR 650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Dukes Subject: (klr650) Moose skidplate... Date: 01 May 1998 14:27:12 -0700 I have had a moose skidplate on order from my local dealer since January, and it is still backordered. As I recall there is somebody else on this list who has one backordered through Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse. Could that somebody let me know if that is still true? I'm just wondering if there is a backorder problem with just our local distributer ( I'm assuming Parts Unlimited) or if all distribution channels are affected and I just have to hang in there and wait. -Jim -- Jim Dukes (503)613-5019 jdukes@ichips.intel.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J. Taylor" Subject: [Fwd: Re: (klr650) co2] Date: 01 May 1998 18:05:58 -0400 Message-ID: <354A45D8.2B32@mediaone.net> Reply-To: klr650@mediaone.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <354A2FEE.B79C94F7@umdnj.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pete: I had to use 2 co2 cylinders to refill mr rear tire but I should add that the cylinders were old, one of which my friend had already attached to the valve adapter so I don't know for sure if 2 was REALLY required. I have since filled each tire with SLIME and have suffered 0! flats, leaks, etc. (even after pulling 2 nails out approx. 6 wks ago.) Cheap ($3-5) for a bottle at your local Target store. BTW, are you headed to Boynton Beach, FLA? If so, I live in Jacksonville, FL, approx 3-4 hrs north on I-95. Let me know if you need anything, I'll be happy to forward info for assistance, etc. Jake Taylor Peter Dahlheimer wrote: > > Hi. Tryinta prepare for my first long-distance road trip, "Boynton or > Bust '98", leaving NJ on 5/8. > Just received Travelcade seat kit, highway pegs, NEP throttle lock, gel > grips, gel gloves. Hoping > that my friends JC Whitney bolt-on windshield will fit my bike. Also > bought a tire repair kit, which > comes with three CO2 containers. Is that enough to fill a tube? > > Any suggestions for a newbie long-distance cruiser welcome. > > thanks. > > _pete > 97KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Tire Wear Date: 02 May 1998 07:52:11 +1000 mcpete@juno.com wrote: > > What kind of milage are y'all getting out of Avon Gripsters? Trying to > figure out if I have enough left in the rear tire to go on a 6k trip. AFAIR, I got around 22,000km (13750 mi) out of my rear Gripster. This was a mix of touring, scratching and town dribbling. As the tyre shop told me, if you was them to last, you have to pump them up. I used about 33-34psi on tour, 30-32psi around town, 28-30psi for scratching. Mister_T -- \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\ | RC17 KLR600 Roces BCN FreeBSD 2.2.5-R NT4W (ugh) | | tedp[at]replicant[dot]apana[dot]org[dot]au | \|_________________________________________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J. Taylor" Subject: [Fwd: Re: (klr650) Whistling KLR] Date: 01 May 1998 18:05:36 -0400 Message-ID: <354A43F1.5B9D@mediaone.net> Reply-To: klr650@mediaone.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <005001bd751c$82785460$f6f2ffd0@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert, I got a whistler too. '96 w/ 13,000 on the clock-been whistlin' since about 4,000 after I rode it thru DEEP water-never stopped runnin but somehow got just enuf H20 to 'pop' a baffle and viola-she whistles. I am still running my stock whistling exhaust with no problems. Did have a shop tell me rather authoritatively my head was warped and leaking air-they blushed when I told them the real culprit and cancelled the work order for a valve adj. If they were so sure so fast, I was even surer they didn't need to touch my bike.(They later asked how did I like riding one of the only street legal 2 stroke dirtbikes in the world-this from a Kawasaki dealer.) Anyway, if your chuffa-whistle is anything like mine, its probably (?) loose exhaust baffle unless someone has more convinving evidence. Call me and I'll gladly put her on the phone to chuffa-whistle for you (for comparison purposes only-anything else and my bike requires credit card verification first.) Hope this helps. Jake Taylor Robert frey wrote: > > My son's got a '93 KLR650 and it whistles! Mostly at idle and just off idle, > disappears with more open throttle. We already blew out the spark arrestor > and can't figure out where there might be some blockage and how to get to > it. It doesn't hurt the machines performance. Anybody else got a whistler? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Carreras Subject: (klr650) NKLR-PICS: Ranger Alysha Date: 01 May 1998 17:25:56 -0500 Hey Fred you lucky (get to ride the white rim anytime) stiff, If you wheelie Musselman Arch with Peggy on the back you'd best get me a picture to prove it! HA! As for Ranger Alysha, please do say HOWDY and (for Kathleen), please ask if she has a BIG BROTHER as Kathleen will be joining us next year! (Right Kathleen? Imagine, a big brother and so many cute riders...now if that ain't incentive?) Fred: PS- I want a report of your ride tomorrow BoB (Who hopes you get rained on cause I'm jealous) Fred Hink wrote: > > BoB, > > I am doing the White Rim in the morning so I will put in a good word to > Alysha for you. Peggy is going to be the co-pilot and I am taking two > Canadians and a couple of other friends that haven't been on "the" ride > before. Wonder if Peggy will let me wheelie Musselman with her on the back > of the 650? Thanks for the pix! Fred > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Carreras > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > Date: Thursday, April 30, 1998 6:31 PM > Subject: (klr650) Pics: Ranger Alysha > > >Alex, You're only the 6th person to ask about Ranger Alysha. > >No more pics. She spends her days on the White Rim Trail...working. > >Gives more incentive to get to Moab and ride the White Rim eh? > > > >BoB > > > > > >Alex Jomarron wrote: > >> > >> Bob, > >> Thanks for sharing the great pics! > >> Anymore of Ranger Alysha???? ;-) > >> > >> Alex Jomarron > >> Oak Park, IL > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck McCullough Subject: Re: (klr650) List notes.. Date: 01 May 1998 17:07:00 -0500 Cameron Cole wrote: > I do have one small request. Could we somehow get a standard on the To: > address. Most lists are "Multiple recipients of list [List Name]" or > "klr650@lists.xmission.com". These lists are easy to filter into other > mail folders outside my main list. Currently, I have 14 filters just > for the KLR list. > > Just a thought, C. Cameron, Netscape Communicator allows me to filter based on the "To or CC" headings. Since evreything on the list is sent to klr, I filter using klr650 as the cue. Will that work for you? Chuck McCullough Nothern Wisconsin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J. Taylor" Subject: Re: (klr650) Moose skidplate... Date: 01 May 1998 18:12:34 -0400 James: I tried to order a Moose skidplate thru M.A.W. approx 2 mos ago and they said "backorder for 6+ weeks" with no explanation. I still get calls and snailmail from them confirming backorder on an order I cancelled 3-5 days after placing it. Bought Gino's used White Bros skiddie and have been very happy with it-you know we have TONS of rocks here in coastal Florida, yeah, with beachsand. Jake Taylor '96 KLR 6five0. James Dukes wrote: > > I have had a moose skidplate on order from my local dealer since January, > and it is still backordered. As I recall there is somebody else on this > list who has one backordered through Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse. > Could that somebody let me know if that is still true? > > I'm just wondering if there is a backorder problem with just our local > distributer ( I'm assuming Parts Unlimited) or if all distribution > channels are affected and I just have to hang in there and wait. > > -Jim > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jim Dukes (503)613-5019 jdukes@ichips.intel.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) List notes.. Date: 01 May 1998 17:43:41 -0600 Chuck thanks for the update. Cameron, I think we have two choices: we can either have reply default to the whole list in which case you have to cut and paste to send to only the sender. Or, we can leave it the way it is in which case everybody has to make it work as best they can. If people would like to keep the list traffic separate from other email and can't filter you can get a free pop3 email service at softhome.net. For those who might not know the difference, a pop3 account allows you to use Netscape or Internet explorer, or eudora to access your account. With Juno, rocketmail et. al. you have to log-on to their site with your browser and then check your mail while trying to ignore the advertisements. With softhome you have none of that. So, you can set up a specific email address and then establish a new user profile in Netscape or Eudora or, if you have Eudora lite set up a whole nother version in a fresh directory with a unique icon. This is essentially what I do. I have 3 e-mail accounts that I work with and keep the traffic distinct on each one. Hope this helps. If anyone has more ideas let me know. Kurt At 05:07 PM 5/1/1998 -0500, you wrote: > > >Cameron Cole wrote: > >> I do have one small request. Could we somehow get a standard on the To: >> address. Most lists are "Multiple recipients of list [List Name]" or >> "klr650@lists.xmission.com". These lists are easy to filter into other >> mail folders outside my main list. Currently, I have 14 filters just >> for the KLR list. >> >> Just a thought, C. > >Cameron, > >Netscape Communicator allows me to filter based on the "To or CC" headings. >Since evreything on the list is sent to klr, I filter using klr650 as the >cue. Will that work for you? > >Chuck McCullough >Nothern Wisconsin > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Moose skidplate... Date: 01 May 1998 17:45:42 -0600 I don't know what happened to the Moose skid plate availability but I do know that Tom V and others have purchased the White Bros and like it. I was told that the White Bros. now has a hole in the bottom for getting at the drain plug. If this is true you might want to check that you are getting the latest and greatest... At 06:12 PM 5/1/1998 -0400, J. Taylor wrote: >James: > >I tried to order a Moose skidplate thru M.A.W. approx 2 mos ago and they >said "backorder for 6+ weeks" with no explanation. I still get calls and >snailmail from them confirming backorder on an order I cancelled 3-5 >days after placing it. Bought Gino's used White Bros skiddie and have >been very happy with it-you know we have TONS of rocks here in coastal >Florida, yeah, with beachsand. > >Jake Taylor >'96 KLR 6five0. >James Dukes wrote: >> >> I have had a moose skidplate on order from my local dealer since January, >> and it is still backordered. As I recall there is somebody else on this >> list who has one backordered through Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse. >> Could that somebody let me know if that is still true? >> >> I'm just wondering if there is a backorder problem with just our local >> distributer ( I'm assuming Parts Unlimited) or if all distribution >> channels are affected and I just have to hang in there and wait. >> >> -Jim >> >> -- >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Jim Dukes (503)613-5019 jdukes@ichips.intel.com >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Riding Australia! Date: 02 May 1998 10:44:33 +1000 Those of you deadset on bringing a bike into Oz to use on holiday should check out: http://www.dot.gov.au/programs/fors/impbroch.htm and look at the little section on "Overseas Visitors to Australia". Mister_T -- \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\ | RC17 KLR600 Roces BCN FreeBSD 2.2.5-R NT4W (ugh) | | tedp[at]replicant[dot]apana[dot]org[dot]au | \|_________________________________________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Clarke" Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR600 Q's Date: 01 May 1998 21:07:31 -0400 > 10.3 Volts..........dead cell syndrome ??? > > Fully charged 2.2 X 6 = 13.2 Volts (approx) A fully charged lead acid battery will be 12.6V. The GRT batteries will be a little higher. Let the battery sit for a while after running the bike to let the surface charge dissipate before taking a reading. -Rick R.P.Clarke (rpclarke@mindspring.com) "What traffic?" RTP, NC, USA DoD#5811 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Re: (klr650) Looking to buy. Date: 01 May 1998 18:48:07 -0700 Ron You are lucky your wife rides with you, and luckier still she wants a bike. Mine won't even sit on my klr in the driveway! She wont go near it! Its not like I'm too gonzo I don't think. I haven't crashed any cars or planes, Ive never hit dock with the sailboat, but she just wont trust me on the bike. Period! I can almost start to understand this till we go by the motorcyle store for parts or something and she sees a full dress, antennae laden, Goldwing and says " I might be able to ride on one of these." Whats up with that? Morgan [riding solo] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chadd Thompson Subject: (klr650) Off To Germany. Date: 01 May 1998 21:37:31 -0500 Just to let you know in case anyone tries to mail me I will be off the list until 5-10. I have to Germany for work all next week. Anyway see ya all later. Thanks Chadd Thompson chadd@accessus.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rssm@voicenet.com Subject: (klr650) klr650 saddle bags from Kawasaki Date: 01 May 1998 20:49:28 -0600 Just bought a new 98 klr650 and planning a trip to West Virginia in two weeks. I ordered the new saddle bags and trunk bag from Kawasaki designed for the klr. My dealer tells me they don't know when they will ship. Could be two weeks to 2 months. Any one know where I can get these. And has anyone tried them? Opinions? Rick Bridgman Elizabethtown, PA (Near Harrisburg) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lycurgus@lycosmail.com Subject: (klr650) Crash update Date: 01 May 1998 22:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Gino, I was shocked to read about your crash, but I'm glad you're okay. Not many of us have gone down that seriously [I certainly haven't] and I know everyone on the list is grateful for your description of not only how it happened, but for your comments about protective gear and why it is necessary. A couple of minutes after I read about your accident, I looked out my window and saw a guy ride by in shorts, tee-shirt and sandals. There was a small child riding on his tank. Scary stuff! good luck with your recovery, Tom Clay Winnipeg MB Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert frey" Subject: (klr650) Re: Florida dual sporting Date: 02 May 1998 01:41:34 -0400 -----Original Message----- >JXX >The Withlacoochee State Forest is North of tampa about an hour. I live in >New Port Richey, We usually ride a 55,000 acre tract that borders the Green >Swamp. Other members ride the Appalachicola, Osceola, Ocala NFs and there >are a few Wildlife mgmt areas open to us. I take it JXX is for jacksonville, >if so we have members and they ride just north in nassau! As for my bike it >is SIMPLY AWESOME! Sucks on the road but a true off-roader with lights! >Stock it was white with purple graphics, changed it to White with the KTM >butterscotch orange and purple also with the Off-Road 620 graphics. It looks >sharp. Can't put any pictures on, I'm still trying to figure this computer >out! Went to the Swamp Fox in South Carolina , The Alligator DS at Daytona, >and will be at the Chatahoochee in Suches GA June 13/14. Ya'll gotta come to >our DSR August 2 in Brooksville. E-mail your mailing address and I can >forward a flyer when they come out of the printers. P.S. We pulled a 95 KLR >out of the mud with a XT350 lasr year! >-----Original Message----- >From: tuckers >To: Robert frey >Date: Friday, May 01, 1998 9:24 PM >Subject: Re: Florida's ONLY Dual-Sport Club... > > >>Robert frey wrote: >>> >>> Hey james, found you at the KLR site! We are the Withlacoochee Dual-Sport >>> Riders Club! Florida's ONLY dual-sport club! Membership is only $10 a >year. >>> We have members from Pensicola to Miami, Jacksnville to Ft Meyers and all >>> points in between. Our annual Devil's creek Dual Sport Ride is coming up >>> August 2. As for me, I'm Robert, the Prez of the club and ride a 96 KTM >>> 620RXC. See ya in the woods... >>> e-mail rlfrey@gte.net >>Hey Frey, >> Where the hell is Withlacooche?I'm interested.I need more info.Have >>any images of your bike?It sounds awesome.Please send more info as I am >>interested in regional rides.Rep lies to JXX. >> Thanx, >> JXX > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Sprockets...and Arrowhead... Date: 02 May 1998 06:00:14 -0400 could someone explain the odd-even tooth sprocket situation? Thanx Todd A11 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: (klr650) Whistling KLR] Date: 02 May 1998 06:10:46 -0400 The whistle is most certainly something with the huge bulb of metal kawasaki is calling a tailpipe. My COBRA only grunts when it works, whistling is for relaxing! Todd My dog doesn't talk to my exhaust anymore. A11 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd J. Kuss" Subject: (klr650) cleaview windshield Date: 02 May 1998 07:49:08 PDT A day or two ago, someone was listing various equipment with their comments on how it performed at the Moab rally, the question I have was regarding the clearview windshield, (something like plus 11 inches or more?) Anyway, it was described as though it shaked a little. I ride thrity miles to work, much of it 70mph+ on the freeway, and the stock windshield is all I have. I am interested in whether or not the clearview helped substantially on the highway, and what height would be the best. Was the clearview too high?? if there is a "best of both worlds" height, how high is it, and are customized heights available. I am convinced that the stock windshield is far better than nothing, I am interested in better wind protection , but I wouldn't want to mount something that doesn't work off road. can someone comment? Really enjoy the discussion guys (and gals), Todd J. Kuss kusst@state.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TRA1115 Subject: (klr650) synthetic oil Date: 02 May 1998 11:33:05 EDT Just changed to Mobil 1 synthetic oil........What a difference in shifting!.........Has anybody used synthetic for extended periods?.......How does it hold up?......What are the oil change parameters.......Todd 94 Klr ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) cleaview windshield Date: 02 May 1998 09:52:52 -0600 Todd, I have the Clearview 7" with Stealth edging, Bill Haycock runs a 4" Clearview. I have no problems with my shield, it helps a ton, the wind is now at the top of my helmet. The flex I am talking about is the whole combination of the fairing and shield. It flexes at idle and with a hard bump, but if I was a better rider I wouldn't notice because my eyes would be on where I am going instead of the big sand wash below me...Ask for Craig at Clearview. BTW Roy Cope runs a trimmed Rifle and is on the list... Kurt At 07:49 AM 5/2/1998 PDT, Todd J. Kuss wrote: >A day or two ago, someone was listing various equipment with their comments >on how it performed at the Moab rally, the question I have was regarding >the clearview windshield, (something like plus 11 inches or more?) >Anyway, it was described as though it shaked a little. I ride thrity >miles to work, much of it 70mph+ on the freeway, and the stock >windshield is all I have. I am interested in whether or not the clearview >helped substantially on the highway, and what height would be the best. >Was the clearview too high?? if there is a "best of both worlds" height, >how high is it, and are customized heights available. I am convinced >that the stock windshield is far better than nothing, I am interested in >better wind protection , but I wouldn't want to mount something that >doesn't work off road. >can someone comment? > >Really enjoy the discussion guys (and gals), > >Todd J. Kuss >kusst@state.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Magnatta" Subject: (klr650) IMS Footpegs Date: 02 May 1998 12:17:22 -0400 I recently ordered IMS Footpegs from Fred. Nice pegs, the right one needed some minor filing to sit level, though. It took me a few miles of shifting/breaking to get used to 'em, but after that, they really outshined the original rubber ones. Highly recommend 'em. Mike Magnatta ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Debbie Sammons" Subject: (klr650) Headphones Date: 02 May 1998 11:22:18 -0600 I just bought a little radio to use while riding on my KLR. Does anyone know if some company make a very compact or velcro headphone that con be put into a Bieffe 3-Sport Helmet. I can use the regular headphones but they are a bit tight and are a bitch to get on and off. Thanks Josh ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Dahlheimer Subject: (klr650) NEP lock Date: 02 May 1998 13:34:30 -0400 Boynton or Bust '98... hi. i put the nep (cc3) throttle lock on and it looks like it'll work except that the rubber flange thingy on the grip rubs so flush against the lock assembly that it acts like a throttle lock itself. so what do i do, move the grip itself out a bit? also, i see on Tom's KLR home page that he installed a bolt-on-the-handlebars windshield without removing the stock mini-fairing or windscreen. is that the rule or the exception? i mean, should i expect to remove the mini-fairing or leave it? i realize there might not be enough people who have done this mod, but what the hell... half-kidding, but another tip for people installing seat kits: make sure yer stapler will go through the tough plastic seat pan before you remove the stock seat cover/foam or you, like me right now, will be without a functional seat for a little bit... for me, this is extremely disconcerting 8^) _pete 97KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Re: (klr650) Headphones Date: 02 May 1998 12:53:42 -0700 Debbie The recent RIDERWearHouse catalogue....Aerostitch folks; www.aerostich.com/aerostich discusses this at length as well as related philosophic musings on page 80. Cool catalougue...even cooler stuff. Snail mail address, Eight South 18th ave West, Duluth, Mn. 555806-2148 PHONE...1 800 222-1994 FAX....218 720-3610 get your motor runnin head out on the hiway peace Morgan born to be wild in San Diego ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Roth Subject: (klr650) New helmet Date: 02 May 1998 18:04:51 -0400 Hey gang, Seeing as how my Shoei RF200 is 6 years old now, I'm thinking of getting a new helmet. Anyone out there have any recommendations? Right now, It's a toss up between the Shoei X-SP and the RF-800. Thanx! Brian C. Roth COG #1722, AMA #394789 Middletown, RI 92 Concours 97 KLR 650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) New helmet Date: 03 May 1998 08:41:18 +1000 Brian Roth wrote: > Seeing as how my Shoei RF200 is 6 years old now, I'm thinking of getting a > new helmet. Anyone out there have any recommendations? Right now, It's a > toss up between the Shoei X-SP and the RF-800. If you have a Shoei shaped head, you might as well stick with theirs. In ads I've seen for some Shoei helmets, they've claimed significant UV absorbsion through the visor. I haven't seen any other helmet makers pay any attention to this useful point. I currently use an AGV Quasar, which does a good enough job. However, if AGV can't convice me their visors can block a lot of UV, then I'll probably get a Shoei next time that does. Mister_T -- \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\ | RC17 KLR600 Roces BCN FreeBSD 2.2.5-R NT4W (ugh) | | tedp[at]replicant[dot]apana[dot]org[dot]au | \|_________________________________________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Buffett Subject: (klr650) 93 KLR650 Value ? Date: 03 May 1998 19:29:47 -0400 Hi All: This might make for a lively disscusion. This is not a for sale ad. I was wondering if I could get some feedback as to value of my 1993 KLR650. It has less than 15,000 km. and has been maintained by myself and I am a fanatic about oil changes. It is in very good condition but in need of new chain and sprockets. It has been dropped once or thrice (after all it is an off road bike) but you would not know it to see it. It was mostly street and concession road driven. I love the bike but may have to sell to pursue other interests. * No, I am not getting married * ;-:> If anyone has any feedback I would appreciate it as I like bikes but I am not enough of an enthusiast to know the price range this bike would have on today's market. Please state Canadian or U.S. dollars. J.B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Dahlheimer Subject: (klr650) hard-as* seat pan Date: 02 May 1998 19:55:47 -0400 help! i can't get staples into my seat pan! not even with a heavy-duty craftsman (thank god it's craftsman and i can get my $100 back) electric staple gun... how the hell do i get my seat back together? _pete 97KLR650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-9?B?Qt1ST0wgU0FZ?=" Subject: Ynt: (klr650) IMS Footpegs Date: 03 May 1998 02:53:57 +0300 I've been a KLR 650 rider for 6 months and actually I'd been until two weeks ago since a stupid driver didn't stop at red light and hit me from left at a speed of 40-50 mph. Thanks God I'm in good health except my wrists hurt a little since after hitting the front window of the cage (with my whole body of course) my hands were bumpers between me and the pavement. My helmet was Nolan N80 and I was wearing Dainese Lillhammer jacket and pants, dainese SD1 gloves. They all worked well. By the way the car hit with such an angle that it could manage to crash the fuel tank, radiator and the fan. Of course the left panel is broken also. It's unbelieveable but the remaining parts of my baby is completely in very good condition (except a little crack of left hand cover). I have a very dramatic problem. My KLR is 1997 Californian model (dark green). I live in Turkey and the dealers here could only offer European model spare-parts. Can you imagine a KLR with a 14 liter magenta fuel tank with magenta side panels. This idea is killing me. I need an adress, e-mail, phone number or advice for the replacement of my broken parts with originals. Help me, I really feel deserted with a broken bike. Thanks, Hope you all enjoy your mighty KLRs without any accident. Birol Say. -----Özgün İleti----- Kimden: Michael Magnatta Kime: KLR650 Mailing List Tarih: 02 Mayıs 1998 Cumartesi 18:20 Konu: (klr650) IMS Footpegs >I recently ordered IMS Footpegs from Fred. Nice pegs, the right one >needed some minor filing to sit level, though. It took me a few miles of >shifting/breaking to get used to 'em, but after that, they really >outshined the original rubber ones. Highly recommend 'em. > >Mike Magnatta > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Subject: (klr650) Factory Directed Modification Date: 02 May 1998 19:45:36 -0500 All: Had an interesting thing happen today; did an oil change and when I put the oil filter cover back on the forward cap screw hole on the cover cracked. Oh sh*t. Well call the Kaw dealer. They had heard of a few cracking. Ask them to order one and we could sort out the warrenty part later. Fine by them. Went out riding for the day ( great day thanks). Get home. Have a letter from Kaw. Open it to see a Factory Directed Modification notice for the.............oil filter cover tabs when the retaining screws are tightened they may crack. Kaw will cover this problem so if it happens to you be forwarned that it is Kaw's problem and they should own up to it. Should any body with a poor dealer need a copy of this letter let me know I will scan it an e-mail it. Later Ed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) 93 KLR650 Value ? Date: 02 May 1998 19:02:24 -0600 Sorry, that is American... At 07:29 PM 5/3/1998 -0400, John Buffett wrote: >Hi All: > >This might make for a lively disscusion. This is not a for sale ad. > >I was wondering if I could get some feedback as to value of my 1993 >KLR650. It has less than 15,000 km. and has been maintained by myself >and I am a fanatic about oil changes. It is in very good condition but >in need of new chain and sprockets. It has been dropped once or thrice >(after all it is an off road bike) but you would not know it to see it. >It was mostly street and concession road driven. I love the bike but >may have to sell to pursue other interests. * No, I am not getting >married * ;-:> > >If anyone has any feedback I would appreciate it as I like bikes but I >am not enough of an enthusiast to know the price range this bike would >have on today's market. > >Please state Canadian or U.S. dollars. > > > >J.B. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) 93 KLR650 Value ? Date: 02 May 1998 19:05:28 -0600 Well, here is a start, Motorcycle Consumer News at: http://www.mcnews.com/articles/kawa.htm says $2,615. I was going to guess $2,200 -$2,800. Kurt At 07:29 PM 5/3/1998 -0400, you wrote: >Hi All: > >This might make for a lively disscusion. This is not a for sale ad. > >I was wondering if I could get some feedback as to value of my 1993 >KLR650. It has less than 15,000 km. and has been maintained by myself >and I am a fanatic about oil changes. It is in very good condition but >in need of new chain and sprockets. It has been dropped once or thrice >(after all it is an off road bike) but you would not know it to see it. >It was mostly street and concession road driven. I love the bike but >may have to sell to pursue other interests. * No, I am not getting >married * ;-:> > >If anyone has any feedback I would appreciate it as I like bikes but I >am not enough of an enthusiast to know the price range this bike would >have on today's market. > >Please state Canadian or U.S. dollars. > > > >J.B. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Headphones Date: 03 May 1998 07:29:15 -0400 Josh, I have a CHATTERBOX! setup in my 3-sport. It works GREAT! Cruzin' with tunes. Todd A11 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com Subject: (klr650) Re: Hunting tooth Date: 03 May 1998 10:05:37 -0400 >>>>> could someone explain the odd-even tooth sprocket situation? Thanx Todd A11 <<<< This was discussed on the DUST list about a year ago. I remember it well, because I got several personal emails telling me my opinion was wrong. I *think* I finally got most to see the light. My experience comes from my youthful days as a tractor/combine mechanic backed up with a engineering/mathematics degree from good 'ol Texas A&M (no Aggie Joaks, please). Odd or even? On a motorcycle, it just doesn't matter. On other machines, like a combine or a bicycle, were the gear ratio is very close to 1:1 you may be able to produce a valid argument; and that is a pretty small maybe. The odd tooth theory is used to prevent the same chain link from hitting to same tooth over and over. Thus creating a wear pattern in the chain and/or sprocket. I went though the actual math last year and calculated the actually miles you needed to drive for the same link to hit the same tooth given a few different sprocket combinations (BTW- Chain *length* is also a variable). The result was get the chain and sprocket combination that suits your application. The hunting tooth effect is BS. I seem to recall that *if* you are really concerned about it, then get a front sprocket with a PRIME number of teeth, a back sprocket with a PRIME number of teeth and a chain with a PRIME number of links. Download GearCalc at http://members.aol.com/TwitchSlow/index.html GearCalc will plot MPH vs RPM for your bike for each gear. Handy for benchracing you sprocket needs. Pat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Hunting tooth Date: 03 May 1998 08:44:22 -0600 > The odd tooth theory is used to prevent the same chain link from hitting > to same tooth over and over. Thus creating a wear pattern in the chain > and/or sprocket. Pat, I talked with Jake Jakeman last night. Jake is the PRIME proponent of this theory on the KLR. When I think back to his argument he really talked about two consequences: 1) the first is the one you are mentioning; but, 2) he seemed to be saying that chains have inner links followed by outer links and that an even numbered sprocket is destined to always run either inner or outer but never both and, conversely an odd numbered sprocket will forever alternate. He had me imagine by hand as a five tooth sprocket. So, we went around, starting with say...thumb (inner), index (outer), middle (inner), ring (outer), pinkie (inner), and now thumb (outer)... This second argument seems more plausible. His point is that on and even numbered sprocket you will see exaggerated and premature wear from inner chain links on the same sprocket teeth... Thoughts? Kurt PS and BTW, list traffic is way down this weekend. I know for those of us in the West (80 degrees and clear) it is because we are out riding but I noticed that Minnesota had a -10 Friday night ... is it depression? > > I went though the actual math last year and calculated the actually > miles you needed to drive for the same link to hit the same tooth given > a few different sprocket combinations (BTW- Chain *length* is also a > variable). The result was get the chain and sprocket combination that > suits your application. The hunting tooth effect is BS. I seem to > recall that *if* you are really concerned about it, then get a front > sprocket with a PRIME number of teeth, a back sprocket with a PRIME > number of teeth and a chain with a PRIME number of links. > > Download GearCalc at http://members.aol.com/TwitchSlow/index.html > > GearCalc will plot MPH vs RPM for your bike for each gear. Handy for > benchracing you sprocket needs. > > Pat > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Barthell Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Hunting tooth Date: 03 May 1998 09:55:35 -0500 Kurt Simpson wrote: > This second argument seems more plausible. His point is that on and even > numbered sprocket you will see exaggerated and premature wear from inner > chain links on the same sprocket teeth... I recall the discussion from the Dust list a year ago but this is the first time I heard of the second argument. Perhaps that what Jake meant all along. Same sprocket tooth hitting the same "type" of link and this has just been ineffective communications. -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Barthell Subject: (klr650) Bash Plates... I need your input! Date: 03 May 1998 10:11:48 -0500 So I was thinking in the shower this morning, (where I do my best design work;-)), I'm trrying to figure a way to increase my fuel capacity. I could always add a fuel cell to the rear rack but I don't want to give up my topcase, It is just too convienient when I stop and need to be able to lock up my gear. I could expand the capacity of the standard fuel tank, but the bike is already kinda top heavy and I'm concerned that increasing the tank size by 4.9 gallons may make it sooo top heavy that it falls over on the side stand. Plus it's going to be tricky increasing the capacity that much and still keeping the petcock the lowest part of the tank. Then I think, why is it such a tough problem? Other bikes can expand their tank. The KLR already has a large tank. OK, where else could I add a fuel cell and lower the center of gravity. Nowhere, the bike is packed into the frame pretty tightly.Hmmm, The bike is taller than most with no spare room in the frame, what's wrong with this picture??? Ground clearance, I got more ground clearance than other road bikes. What if I make a fuel cell, basically the area of the skid plate and a depth and shape that would hold 4.9 gallons... This is an intriging idea that I think will work, I'll need to rig a fuel pump to refill the main tank but that shouldn't be a problem. OK, Here is the question, Has anyone ever pierced an aftermarket bash plate? Remember I don't go offroad so I really don't need the ground clearance. However, I still need to figure out how heavy to make the cell construction, I want to use an aftermarket bash plate as a standard if, in all the collective bashing miles you guys have done, no one hase ever pierced one. Thanks in advance, -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Subject: (klr650) Tengai Cent IA Date: 03 May 1998 10:49:35 -0500 All, There is a 1990 Tengai for sale in Sunday's Des Moines paper for 1195.00. Anyone wanting more info e-mail me and I'll get the phone number or go test ride it for ya (tough job but I'd do it for the list). Later Ed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jamesf@bayarea.net (Jim Franklin) Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Hunting tooth Date: 03 May 1998 09:51:28 -0800 Sorry about that last blank one, morning caffeine hit my fingers first... At 8:44 AM 5/3/98, Kurt Simpson wrote: >> The odd tooth theory is used to prevent the same chain link from hitting >> to same tooth over and over. Thus creating a wear pattern in the chain >> and/or sprocket. This is the way I thought it should be, (if it _has_ to be one way or the other) and was confused by other posts. >Pat, I talked with Jake Jakeman last night. Jake is the PRIME proponent of >this theory on the KLR. When I think back to his argument he really talked >about two consequences: 1) the first is the one you are mentioning; but, 2) >he seemed to be saying that chains have inner links followed by outer links >and that an even numbered sprocket is destined to always run either inner >or outer but never both and, conversely an odd numbered sprocket will >forever alternate. He had me imagine by hand as a five tooth sprocket. So, >we went around, starting with say...thumb (inner), index (outer), middle >(inner), ring (outer), pinkie (inner), and now thumb (outer)... I understand his point. Now for mine ;-) If your sprockets are correctly aligned this second point shouldn't be a problem. If the drivetrain is setup for teeth to alternate, everything will eventually break in and high spots will wear down and wear will slow down to relatively nothing, much like an engine. Now in reality, the chain will wear out from normal use, develop loose spots, and these will take out your sprockets faster than any tooth configuration. Having the right ratio for the performance you desire is far more "important" than basing it on theoretical wear rates. You might as well never go past half throttle, since doing so will wear out the engine faster. >PS and BTW, list traffic is way down this weekend. I know for those of us That is a Good Thing! ;-) This list is already pretty chatty. Don't encourage more, it makes for less riding time! BTW, at the suggestion of a lister, I pumped up my Gripsters on the Tengai to 32/35, and they're much better than the 25/30 they seem to default to after a few weeks! I usually set them at 30/32 but with the new pressures the wobbling is reduced. The pull is still there, however. Also, my front rotor has developed a "ringing" that feeds back into itself and gets louder when stopping from >30mph. It starts as I pass through 20mph and continues until I'm stopped. It's not a high pitched squeal that kills dogs, it's more near the midrange of human hearing, and when it gets really loud it starts vibrating the bars. It started possibly when I put in the new pads. I'm going to do a cleaning & deglazing but if anyone's had this happen and the cause is something unusual could you post it? Whew. Talk about chatty. jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffrey P Moorbeck Subject: (klr650) skid plate Date: 03 May 1998 13:53:33 -0700 (MST) Does anyone have the part number for the White Bros. KLR 650 skid plate? I'd order the Moose plate but from what I gather from the list they are on permanent backorder. Perhaps someone knows of a way to directly contact Moose to find out what the deal is? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doc Gray Subject: (klr650) horns & mirrors Date: 03 May 1998 18:28:49 EDT I recently purchased a '95 KLR; a terrific machine. I would like to get a horn, even air horns, or something that, at least, I could hear. The OEM sounds like a toy,but of course you know that. Has anyone had succcess on dealing with this? Any ideas about where to mount air horns? Likewise, the mirrors need to extend further out. Have you found an after- market mirror you like? John Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Whistling KLR Date: 03 May 1998 19:12:01 -0700 At 12:16 PM 5/1/98 -0400, Robert frey wrote: >My son's got a '93 KLR650 and it whistles! Mostly at idle and just off idle, >disappears with more open throttle. We already blew out the spark arrestor >and can't figure out where there might be some blockage and how to get to >it. It doesn't hurt the machines performance. Anybody else got a whistler? > > This seems to be a common affliction with KLRs. Mine developed one under warranty: it was replaced and I have heard others doing it. To fix it, I imagine you'd have to do what we have done to other mufflers, and that is to cut a panel out of the inner-facing side with a torch and do a little "surgery" to correct the problem, then braze the removed panel back into place. The current muffler shows no signs of this, however (knock on wood). -Tom '96 KLR 650 23,500 miles 600 of them this weekend (went to N. Georgia rally and on associated dual-sport ride...too kewl :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) co2 Date: 03 May 1998 19:28:39 -0700 At 04:26 PM 5/1/98 -0400, Peter Dahlheimer wrote: >Hi. Tryinta prepare for my first long-distance road trip, "Boynton or >Bust '98", leaving NJ on 5/8. >Just received Travelcade seat kit, highway pegs, NEP throttle lock, gel >grips, gel gloves. Hoping >that my friends JC Whitney bolt-on windshield will fit my bike. Also >bought a tire repair kit, which >comes with three CO2 containers. Is that enough to fill a tube? > >Any suggestions for a newbie long-distance cruiser welcome. I just did 600 miles this weekend, but I realy cant think of any generic advice to offer at this moment. This is parly due to fatigue and partly due to the feeling that there is no real substitute for goin' out there and just trying stuff. My answers may not work for you anyway. When I have rested a bit, maybe I can think of something :) One CO2 container (meant for a bycycle, dont know the weight) will fill up a front tire enough to make it roadable. At least to get you to a filling station. -Tom '96 KLR 650 Plenty o' Miles. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Tire Wear Date: 03 May 1998 19:42:04 -0700 At 07:52 AM 5/2/98 +1000, Ted Palmer wrote: >mcpete@juno.com wrote: >> >> What kind of milage are y'all getting out of Avon Gripsters? Trying to >> figure out if I have enough left in the rear tire to go on a 6k trip. > >AFAIR, I got around 22,000km (13750 mi) out of my rear Gripster. >This was a mix of touring, scratching and town dribbling. >As the tyre shop told me, if you was them to last, you have to pump >them up. I used about 33-34psi on tour, 30-32psi around town, 28-30psi >for scratching. Damn, I didnt do so well. My KLR will kill a AM24 rear tire in about 7,500-8,000 miles, touring and commuting. My bike tends to carry a big load, however (starting with me)... Your 600 is a good bit lighter than the US-spec KLR 650, if I am not mistaken. This could account for your better service life. On another tire note, I actualy got to find out how a Bridgestone S11 Spitfire rear works as a dirt tire this weekend. And the verdict is... Not..at...all...bad! For what it is, it was actualy pretty impressive! Oh, if you were in the muddy bits (And in N. Georgia this weekend, that was everywhere...except the bits that were gravel... or solid rock...) and tried to put down a lot of power, it would spin, but this tire ($70 PP from MAW) tracked and handled everying on or off pavement just splendidly! Overall, it worked about as well as my Gripsters ever did. Problem: it isnt wearing any better than the Gripster, and longer life was the main thing I was searching for here... -Tom AKA Mr. Cant-have-it-all '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Redwine Subject: (klr650) Hi, all Date: 03 May 1998 20:41:19 -0500 Hi,, I,ve been lurking here now for about 2 weeks, have become the new owner of a 90 KLR 650 and thought I could pick up a few tips about this " great" bike if I hung around a little. Well I have aready tried one of the tips I found here, the buzz in the hand grips was real bad I got a 38" length of 4/0 electric cable and stuffed it into the bars also installed new Pro-Grip gels. It worked great rode about 300 miles this Sunday and no problems with my hands. So just wanted to say thanks putting the list up and keeping it going. Also has anyone tried the Metzler Enduro4 tires ? Sorry for being so long winded. Thanks again !! Mikey R. 90 KLR 650 95 BMW R100-GS/PD 84 BMW R80 RT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Whistling KLR Date: 04 May 1998 11:58:48 +1000 Robert frey wrote: [...] > it. It doesn't hurt the machines performance. Anybody else got a whistler? I thought they all came with a farting budgie in the muffler, standard. Mine's done it as long as I can remember. Mister_T -- \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\ | RC17 KLR600 Roces BCN FreeBSD 2.2.5-R NT4W (ugh) | | tedp[at]replicant[dot]apana[dot]org[dot]au | \|_________________________________________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Magnatta" Subject: (klr650) Fork Gaitors Date: 03 May 1998 22:51:01 -0400 Guys: About a month ago a couple of you guys replied to my post regarding manufacturers/sources of fork boots. I can't find that old post, please, anyone with info about klr fork boots, please send it? Thanks!!!!!!!! Mike Magnatta ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cloudhid Subject: Re: (klr650) highway pegs Date: 03 May 1998 23:13:03 EDT In a message dated 5/1/98 1:29:56 PM, dahlheim@UMDNJ.EDU wrote: >No instructions came with the highway pegs. Any suggestions/comments >from anyone experienced? >_pete 97KLR650 Mine were a hair too tight to install, so I tapped 'em with a hammer to spread 'em out, letting it slip on. (note: pegs fold back towards rider ;-) Ron (tapped out) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cloudhid Subject: Re: (klr650) Looking to buy. (lucky) Date: 03 May 1998 23:38:04 EDT In a message dated 5/1/98 6:49:59 PM, robertlmorgan@worldnet.att.net wrote: >Ron > You are lucky your wife rides with you, and luckier still she wants a >bike. Mine won't even sit on my klr in the driveway! She wont go near it! >Its not like I'm too gonzo I don't think. I haven't crashed any cars or >planes, Ive never hit dock with the sailboat, but she just wont trust me >on the bike. Period! I can almost start to understand this till we go by >the motorcyle store for parts or something and she sees a full dress, >antennae laden, Goldwing and says " I might be able to ride on one of >these." > Whats up with that? >Morgan [riding solo] Morgan, it took me a while to get her back on a bike with me. (I've had some hard landings over the years, but like the saying goes....any you can walk away from.) She still reminds me of the time back in '75 when she burned her leg on the exhaust pipe of my Hawk 305. Or even earlier when I locked the front brake on my SL350 (my 1st DP;-). Or when I gave my SL500 to my Son for his 16th Bday. Anyway my point is, hang in there Morgan. If you can last a few decades with her, maybe you can wear down her resistance >;-). Ron (27 years later.....still trying to outlast her) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cloudhid Subject: Re: (klr650) klr650 saddle bags from Kawasaki Date: 03 May 1998 23:47:49 EDT In a message dated 5/1/98 7:51:39 PM, rssm@voicenet.com wrote: >Just bought a new 98 klr650 and planning a trip to West Virginia in two >weeks. I ordered the new saddle bags and trunk bag from Kawasaki designed >for the klr. My dealer tells me they don't know when they will ship. Could >be two weeks to 2 months. Any one know where I can get these. And has anyone >tried them? Opinions? >Rick Bridgman >Elizabethtown, PA (Near Harrisburg) Kawa Cust. Serv. gave me a best guess of May 22 'till their vendor ships to the Kawa warehouse. Then another day or so to get to your dealer. To compliment my 'aero'panniers, I found a couple of bicycle carriers at REI that attach nicely to the rear passenger grip. They have a great quick release system as well. Just road tested them to Pismo Beach this weekend, and they survived rain, sand, streams, ocean waves and me. Price $110 Ron (who bets their are those with doubts) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cloudhid Subject: Re: (klr650) hard-as* seat pan Date: 03 May 1998 23:55:53 EDT In a message dated 5/2/98 4:55:03 PM, dahlheim@UMDNJ.EDU wrote: >help! >i can't get staples into my seat pan! not even with a heavy-duty >craftsman (thank god it's craftsman >and i can get my $100 back) electric staple gun... >how the hell do i get my seat back together? >_pete 97KLR650 Guess I should've stressed a *heavy duty* stapler. The factory uses a pneumatic one. I used elbow grease and a "Swingline #800 Heavy Duty Tacker". Ron (got the job done) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) skid plate Date: 03 May 1998 22:09:36 -0600 At 01:53 PM 5/3/1998 -0700, Jeffrey P Moorbeck wrote: >Does anyone have the part number for the White Bros. KLR 650 skid plate? >I'd order the Moose plate but from what I gather from the list they are on >permanent backorder. Perhaps someone knows of a way to directly contact >Moose to find out what the deal is? WB Heavy Duty Skid Plate #31-911X - $74.95 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cloudhid Subject: Re: (klr650) horns & mirrors Date: 04 May 1998 00:21:05 EDT In a message dated 5/3/98 3:31:14 PM, DocGray@aol.com wrote: >I recently purchased a '95 KLR; a terrific machine. I would like to get a >horn, even air horns, or something that, at least, I could hear. The OEM >sounds like a toy,but of course you know that. Has anyone had succcess on >dealing with this? Any ideas about where to mount air horns? >Likewise, the mirrors need to extend further out. Have you found an after- >market mirror you like? John Paul From the archives, KLR650 Archives Ron (meep, meep) >In a message dated 5/3/98 3:31 PM, r_k_dow@earthlink.net wrote: >I mounted a pair of Fiams (using the supplied flat metal pieces) >to the top, front engine bolt on the downtube. They cost about $25. >I put some black, open cell foam behind the horn grills to keep out >grunge and hot glued the seams. The are pretty loud and have held >up for six years including a lot of offroad riding. I've heard that >Hella horns are also good, but cost around $80. Good luck. >Randy Dow ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cloudhid Subject: Re: (klr650) highway pegs Date: 04 May 1998 00:24:58 EDT In a message dated 5/3/98 9:16:02 PM, you wrote: >can't remember whether Tim sends new longer bolts or not. >Kurt Yes, but the nuts aren't metric, and the new bolt needs a hex key instead of a wrench like the old one. Ron (who's a nut in any system) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Hunting tooth Date: 04 May 1998 06:04:00 -0400 Pat, Thanks for the post on teeth. Did they spell jokes this way in Texas? "(no Aggie Joaks, please)" Todd A11 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nma@juno.com Subject: (klr650) differences after "96" Date: 04 May 1998 07:08:07 -0700 Does anyone know the differences in the KLR after 1996. I know there were some changes but I don't what. Regards, Rob _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) differences after "96" Date: 04 May 1998 09:25:54 -0700 At 07:08 AM 5/4/98 -0700, nma@juno.com wrote: >Does anyone know the differences in the KLR after 1996. I know there were >some changes but I don't what. > Among the changes iin the '96+ model bikes are a more massive flywheel (more torquy-feeling, smoother low-end performance), an additional disk and plate and an improved spring arangement in the clutch pack (improving clutch performance and reliability, but eliminating the option of fitting the factory kick starter), improved counterbalancer chain adjuster mechanisim, a firmer factory seat (God, I hate to think how bad the old one must have been) and a much, much more appealing color scheme. :) -Tom '96 KLR 650 and glad he didnt find a left-over '95 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Hilton Subject: Re: (klr650) Hi, all Date: 04 May 1998 08:44:57 -0500 Welcome aboard Michael. I plan on trying the wire weight myself. As far as the Enduro 4's go, I have them on my R100GS but never have tried them on a KLR... I notice your signature shows a R100GS, not the Classic is it???. I totaled a 95 Classic last October, sure miss it... Michael Redwine wrote: > > Hi,, I,ve been lurking here now for about 2 weeks, have become the new > owner of a 90 KLR 650 and thought I could pick up a few tips about this > " great" bike if I hung around a little. Well I have aready tried one of > the tips I found here, the buzz in the hand grips was real bad I got a > 38" length of 4/0 electric cable and stuffed it into the bars also > installed new Pro-Grip gels. It worked great rode about 300 miles this > Sunday and no problems with my hands. So just wanted to say thanks > putting the list up and keeping it going. Also has anyone tried the > Metzler Enduro4 tires ? Sorry for being so long winded. Thanks again !! > > Mikey R. > > 90 KLR 650 > 95 BMW R100-GS/PD > 84 BMW R80 RT -- Michael Hilton fmhilton@bayou.com http://www.bayou.com/rustonmarshal Ruston, LA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Carreras Subject: (klr650) More Moab Pics Date: 04 May 1998 09:16:25 -0500 More group/individual pictures posted over the weekend of the KLR 650 Rally in Moab at: http://web.nstar.net/~carreras Please pass on to the group who rode Onion Creek on Saturday: Mark Lander- Phoenix Branko Vujkovic- Phoenix John Houchins Joel Wood Bill Haycock Dick Antonius BoB Carreras ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cameron Cole Subject: (klr650) SuperTrapp IDS problems Date: 04 May 1998 10:48:39 -0400 I hit my first MAJOR problem with the IDS exhausts. I used a torque wrench (and it was a pain) to insure the proper torque when installing 8 discs. I received 8 more from SuperTrapp discs on Friday. I was going up to 16. After removing the tail pipe and two of the screws holding in the discs, I went after the third. Well, it stripped halfway out. It just turns freely (left and right). You can pull and push it about a half out. My guess is the backing that holds the screw came loose. Friday afternoon, I called SuperTrapp and was told this is a common problem when overtightening the screws. I informed them that I used a torque wrench and applied the appropriate torque. Long story short, they won't replace it under warranty, but will fix it for $200. What a deal, I can buy a new one for less. Moral of the story, be real careful with those disc bolts. As for me, I hear a Cobra in my future. Can someone tell me the model I need for a 98 KLR? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cameron Cole Subject: RE: (klr650) hard-as* seat pan Date: 04 May 1998 11:13:00 -0400 This should work. You will need a drill and a small drill bit. Drill the platic until bit is about to go through the other side then stop. Make two divots for every staple needed to re-attach the seat. This should allow the staples to go through the plastic. > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Dahlheimer [SMTP:dahlheim@UMDNJ.EDU] > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 1998 7:56 PM > To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (klr650) hard-as* seat pan > > help! > > i can't get staples into my seat pan! not even with a heavy-duty > craftsman (thank god it's craftsman > and i can get my $100 back) electric staple gun... > > how the hell do i get my seat back together? > > _pete > 97KLR650 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com Subject: (klr650) Kiliminjaro Jacket Date: 04 May 1998 11:50:19 -0400 All the positive talk about the Kiliminjaro jacket I have determined that my life is not complete without one. (I live a pretty simple life...) Can a few of you provide information about some sources where I can order this jacket? What is a fair 'street price'? Thanks, Pat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Erik Snider Subject: (klr650) KTM SuperTanker Date: 04 May 1998 08:57:57 -0700 I know this is not KLR specific, but it is dual-sport and interesting none the less. I was flipping through one of the more recent MX rags at the grocery store yesterday and they had an article on an American who raced with Team KTM in the Paris-Dakkar. They had a profile shot of the KTM (660 Adventure I think) the thing looked like a super tanker. It had a HUGE main tank and dual seat tanks. What was really nice is the orange lets you see the fuel level. The bike oozed independence. What gas station, we don't need no steenking gas station. Check it out, definitely the extreme end of dual sporting. P.S. About filtering the list. Does Eudora lite have filters? I use Eudora 4.0, my filter is set to = klr650@lists.xmission.com the message is then sent to my KLR650 mail box. Erik Snider Purchasing Card Administrator AF208C4 619-651-0217 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Catron, Geoff" Subject: RE: (klr650) Kiliminjaro Jacket Date: 04 May 1998 13:01:14 -0400 Hi Pat, Don't know if you can mail order those...the First Gear line is *supposedly* not available by mail order. The best price I've seen for one in the Atlanta area is $299.00. Good luck! Geoff Catron '96 BMW R1100RSA Soon to own '98 KLR 650 -----Original Message----- From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com [SMTP:PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com] Sent: Monday, May 04, 1998 11:50 AM To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Subject: (klr650) Kiliminjaro Jacket All the positive talk about the Kiliminjaro jacket I have determined that my life is not complete without one. (I live a pretty simple life...) Can a few of you provide information about some sources where I can order this jacket? What is a fair 'street price'? Thanks, Pat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MORIARTPAT Subject: (klr650) KLR for Sale-ammended Date: 04 May 1998 13:00:34 EDT Ammended <> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jean Philippe Bagel Subject: RE: (klr650) Kiliminjaro Jacket Date: 04 May 1998 10:41:16 -0700 Does First Gear has some kind of web site? I tried one last Saturday, they really comfortable and full of nice features. I like the built-in 3M ScotchLite in the back. This is way cool. -JP -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, May 04, 1998 10:01 AM Cc: 'klr650@lists.xmission.com' Hi Pat, Don't know if you can mail order those...the First Gear line is *supposedly* not available by mail order. The best price I've seen for one in the Atlanta area is $299.00. Good luck! Geoff Catron '96 BMW R1100RSA Soon to own '98 KLR 650 -----Original Message----- From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com [SMTP:PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com] Sent: Monday, May 04, 1998 11:50 AM To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Subject: (klr650) Kiliminjaro Jacket All the positive talk about the Kiliminjaro jacket I have determined that my life is not complete without one. (I live a pretty simple life...) Can a few of you provide information about some sources where I can order this jacket? What is a fair 'street price'? Thanks, Pat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com Subject: (klr650) Re: Helmets Date: 04 May 1998 13:41:16 -0400 >>>>> Seeing as how my Shoei RF200 is 6 years old now, I'm thinking of getting a new helmet. Anyone out there have any recommendations? Right now, It's a toss up between the Shoei X-SP and the RF-800. Thanx! <<<<< I really like my Simpson Super Bandit; I even like the 'darth vador' looks of it. Helmets seem to be a pretty personal thing. Expect lots of different answers to help confuse you. :) Pat PHX, AZ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcklr Subject: Re: (klr650) SuperTrapp IDS problems Date: 04 May 1998 13:50:49 EDT Interesting story. I have an E.A.R. series with six bolts (supposedly an improvement over the old 5 bolt system) holding the disks in place and I only have 5 doing the job as one stripped out early. Although I have no need to replace the SuperTrapp at this time, when I do it will be with something else as I hate to have "cheap" products on my bikes. I was looking at the IDS product earlier, but I wondered about this very same happening. I would be interested in hearing from you Cobra owners out there as to your experiences. Quiet is good, power is better, and quiet POWER is BEST!! MN Ron '93 KLR 650 '93 Seca II (Wife's) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Barthell Subject: Re: (klr650) Kiliminjaro Jacket Date: 04 May 1998 13:13:28 -0500 I saw the Kiliminjaro over the weekend, then on the otherside of the rack was it's brother the.... I forget the name but it was like the Kiliminjaro but cut waist length. Not bad, looked a lot cooler also. -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com wrote: > All the positive talk about the Kiliminjaro jacket I have determined > that my life is not complete without one. (I live a pretty simple > life...) > > Can a few of you provide information about some sources where I can > order this jacket? What is a fair 'street price'? > > Thanks, > Pat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Magnatta" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Helmets Date: 04 May 1998 14:12:42 -0400 I'm quite happy with my Shoei RF-700. It's a bit on the snug side, but that's what you want; minimal play so your head doesn't flop around in it God forbid you go down. Nice vents, too. They are available mail order now, when they were first introduced they were not. I also affixed a Chin Dam from Aerostich that performs admirably in reducing wind noise/buffeting of the neck. The only thing I regret is not getting a white one for visibility/heat reflection properties. Oh yeah, I put a Halo band on it that satisfies NY state requirement of X amount of reflective material on helmets (with the dam, band, and dark visor, looks quite "tuff") Good luck! P.S. A friend of mine gave me a small reflective helmet sticker that says something like 'IN CASE OF ACCIDENT, ONLY TRAINED EMERGENCY MEDICAL PERSONNEL SHOULD REMOVE HELMET." I don't remember where he got it, he since passed away (no, not on a bike) but I highly recommend trying to find it. Mike Magnatta -----Original Message----- >>>>> Seeing as how my Shoei RF200 is 6 years old now, I'm thinking of getting a new helmet. Anyone out there have any recommendations? Right now, It's a toss up between the Shoei X-SP and the RF-800. Thanx! <<<<< I really like my Simpson Super Bandit; I even like the 'darth vador' looks of it. Helmets seem to be a pretty personal thing. Expect lots of different answers to help confuse you. :) Pat PHX, AZ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Barthell Subject: Re: (klr650) hard-as* seat pan Date: 04 May 1998 13:18:03 -0500 Cameron Cole wrote: > This should work. You will need a drill and a small drill bit. Cameron, If your going to do that couldn't you pop rivet the cover back on? I don't know, the stock seat pan may be too soft for pop rivets -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kovach E Subject: Re: (klr650) Kiliminjaro Jacket Date: 04 May 1998 14:27:37 -0400 I believe the brother was called the dakar jacket and can still be had through competition from OHIO mail order being that it is hein gerick something or other and not the first gear line. the first gear line can only be purchased off the rack. cio evan..... >>> Jim Barthell 05/04/98 02:13PM >>> I saw the Kiliminjaro over the weekend, then on the otherside of the rack was it's brother the.... I forget the name but it was like the Kiliminjaro but cut waist length. Not bad, looked a lot cooler also. -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com wrote: > All the positive talk about the Kiliminjaro jacket I have determined > that my life is not complete without one. (I live a pretty simple > life...) > > Can a few of you provide information about some sources where I can > order this jacket? What is a fair 'street price'? > > Thanks, > Pat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com Subject: Re[2]: (klr650) Kiliminjaro Jacket Date: 04 May 1998 14:30:45 -0400 --openmail-part-0f13d06d-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Re:" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Re:" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any ideas where can I get a list of dealers for the product? I live in Phoenix, AZ or Austin, TX. Thanks, Pat ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Author: Non-HP-Jim\.Barthell (Jim.Barthell@worldnet.att.net) at HP-USA/o2=mimegw4 I saw the Kiliminjaro over the weekend, then on the otherside of the rack was it's brother the.... I forget the name but it was like the Kiliminjaro but cut waist length. Not bad, looked a lot cooler also. -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com wrote: > All the positive talk about the Kiliminjaro jacket I have determined > that my life is not complete without one. (I live a pretty simple > life...) > > Can a few of you provide information about some sources where I can > order this jacket? What is a fair 'street price'? > > Thanks, > Pat --openmail-part-0f13d06d-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="1.txt" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="1.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [15.81.168.10]) by i3125om4.atl.hp.com with ESMTP (8.7.1/8.7.3 TIS 5.0 Openmail) id OAA24771 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by palrel1.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id LAA17612 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.67.1.120]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA7648; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:18:45 +0000 Message-ID: <354E0548.AA9796AE@worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: klr650@lists.xmission.com References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --openmail-part-0f13d06d-00000001-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Barthell Subject: Re: (klr650) Kiliminjaro Jacket Date: 04 May 1998 13:30:16 -0500 Kovach E wrote: > I believe the brother was called the dakar jacket and can still be had through competition from OHIO mail order being that it is hein gerick something or other and not the first gear line. the first gear line can only be purchased off the rack. > cio evan..... No, that is the cousin ;-) it is leather and made by Hein Gerike. This is a First Gear jacket whos look and feel are identical to the Kiliminjaro but in a shorter cut... the bike shop is closed Monday or I'd get the name for you. -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt Simpson Subject: (klr650) Stock Corbin... Date: 04 May 1998 12:54:40 -0600 With all the posts about modified Corbins I wonder if I could a word from anyone (all) those who have unmodified Corbins WITH THE DIP. I know Bill Haycock says his is unmodified...I could really use the reduction in seat height w/o the lowering kit. -- Kurt Simpson KLR650 A12 OB HawkGT '89 FS XS-650 '77 FS XS-650 '79 FS XS-650 '80 FS Ask me how to subscribe to the KLR Dual Sport Newsletter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: omegacolor@sssnet.com Subject: (klr650) Cure for sludgy clutch lever pull? Date: 04 May 1998 15:19:51 -0700 Any recommendations for an aftermarket cluth cable that would provide a cleaner lever pull for my recently acquired KLR650? Are there any hydraulic options available? Tried working some graphite into the cable & that seemed to help a little. Thanks in advance... Scotez ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roy Cope Subject: (klr650) Re:Kiliminjaro Jacket Date: 04 May 1998 13:57:25 -0600 I paid around $300 for mine, but some guys I talked to in Moab said they paid around $270 from Deming Cycle Center. their ph # is 505-546-2193 Roy Cope 96KLR >Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:50:19 -0400 >From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com >Subject: (klr650) Kiliminjaro Jacket > > > All the positive talk about the Kiliminjaro jacket I have determined > that my life is not complete without one. (I live a pretty simple > life...) > > Can a few of you provide information about some sources where I can > order this jacket? What is a fair 'street price'? > > Thanks, > Pat > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter M. Dean" Subject: (klr650) Extra Fuel and Enduro4 tires Date: 04 May 1998 14:47:04 -0500 (CDT) Intriguing post on the underside fuel tank Jim. I want one too !!!! I was day dreaming the other day about relocating the battery and air box, but I still don't think the space would be big enough for 4.9 gallons. An underframe cowling would be perfect, something that could be detached when extra range is not needed. Let me know more about this! I have seen my per tank mileage plummet from 300+ miles to 190 as I have done more endurance riding. My engine and exhaust are stock but the addition of a 16" wind screen, tank panniers, saddle bags, 300 pounds of stuff (that includes 210 pounds of me), and most dramatically the increased cruising speed have all worked to lower my range. > Then I think, why is it such a tough problem? Other bikes can expand > their tank. The KLR already has a large tank. OK, where else could I add > a fuel cell and lower the center of gravity. Nowhere, the bike is packed > into the frame pretty tightly.Hmmm, The bike is taller than most with no > spare room in the frame, what's wrong with this picture??? Ground > clearance, I got more ground clearance than other road bikes. What if I > make a fuel cell, basically the area of the skid plate and a depth and > shape that would hold 4.9 gallons... Someone asked about Metzler Enduro4 tires on a KLR. I've been using them for about 22,000 miles now. Looks like I will be getting about 12,000 miles a set. I think I might change to something else soon though. I attempted to change the tires myself with the tools I carry last time and I could only do the front tire. I couldn't even break the bead on the back tire. That won't do if I'm stuck on the road. Jim, what tires do you use? Pete Dean ('94 KLR) Minnetonka MN pmd@sw.bcd.adc.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cloudhid Subject: Re: (klr650) hard-as* seat pan Date: 04 May 1998 16:04:36 EDT In a message dated 98-05-04 14:25:13 EDT, Jim.Barthell@worldnet.att.net writes: >> Cameron Cole wrote: >>This should work. You will need a drill and a small drill bit. > Cameron, > If your going to do that couldn't you pop rivet the cover back on? I > don't know, the stock seat pan may be too soft for pop rivets > Jim Barthell - TX Thought about using rivets. The folks at Travelcade told me that staples are more effective. If I ever do it again, I'm going to use rivets, to make removing and reinstalling a snap. BTW, there were about 60 some odd staples in the OEM seat. (120 drill holes;-) Ron (who is always reinventing the wheel) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roy Cope Subject: Re: (klr650) cleaview windshield Date: 04 May 1998 14:14:37 -0600 I have a 16" Rifle that I have trimmed about 1" to 11/2 " off each side in a attempt to minimize the mass. I was trying to reduce flexing, but It still flops around quite a bit. My goal was enough wind protection so that I could wear a open face helmet, the modified Rifle does this but I am not completely satisfied with this setup ( lots of wind noise). I have just mail ordered the parts for a handle bar mount windshield to play around with. Roy Cope 96KLR >Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 09:52:52 -0600 >From: Kurt Simpson >Subject: Re: (klr650) cleaview windshield > >Todd, I have the Clearview 7" with Stealth edging, Bill Haycock runs a 4" >Clearview. I have no problems with my shield, it helps a ton, the wind is >now at the top of my helmet. The flex I am talking about is the whole >combination of the fairing and shield. It flexes at idle and with a hard >bump, but if I was a better rider I wouldn't notice because my eyes would >be on where I am going instead of the big sand wash below me...Ask for >Craig at Clearview. BTW Roy Cope runs a trimmed Rifle and is on the list... > >Kurt > > >At 07:49 AM 5/2/1998 PDT, Todd J. Kuss wrote: >>A day or two ago, someone was listing various equipment with their comments >>on how it performed at the Moab rally, the question I have was regarding >>the clearview windshield, (something like plus 11 inches or more?) >>Anyway, it was described as though it shaked a little. I ride thrity >>miles to work, much of it 70mph+ on the freeway, and the stock >>windshield is all I have. I am interested in whether or not the clearview >>helped substantially on the highway, and what height would be the best. >>Was the clearview too high?? if there is a "best of both worlds" height, >>how high is it, and are customized heights available. I am convinced >>that the stock windshield is far better than nothing, I am interested in >>better wind protection , but I wouldn't want to mount something that >>doesn't work off road. >>can someone comment? >> >>Really enjoy the discussion guys (and gals), >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. K. Dow" Subject: (klr650) horns Date: 04 May 1998 16:34:37 -0400 Doc Gray wrote: I recently purchased a '95 KLR; a terrific machine. I would like to get a horn, even air horns, or something that, at least, I could hear. The OEM sounds like a toy,but of course you know that. Has anyone had succcess on dealing with this? Any ideas about where to mount air horns? Good, cheap horns: Fiam red/black plastic--$20-25 at Walmart, Target, etc. Mods to protect against water and crud entering: (1) Remove grill, cut piece of thin open cell foam to fit, insert foam, and replace grill. (2) Put a bead of hot glue on the seams. Mounting: They come with flat bar stock--about 4" long with holes at both ends. Mount horn bolt to one end. Remove top forward engine bolt, position both horns to your liking--one on each side of downtube, pass engine bolt through both holes of bar stock, and tighten to specified torque. Attach wiring and relay to existing horn switch. Put a fuse in the hot wire if you want. Leave stock horn attached or not. Other good horns--expensive: Hella (sp?) horns, available from Griot's Garage (get 800 number from directory assistance) or other suppliers. Good luck. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Magnatta" Subject: Re: (klr650) Stock Corbin... Date: 04 May 1998 16:34:08 -0400 I have one, been sitting on a shelf for quite a while. Never really liked it - the "Turn Yourself Into A Soprano After The First Panic Stop" feature put me off, if you know what I mean. I dusted it off today and found a slight separation of a seam, this from a seat that cost God knows how much w/maybe 300 miles on it. Mike Magnatta -----Original Message----- With all the posts about modified Corbins I wonder if I could a word from anyone (all) those who have unmodified Corbins WITH THE DIP. I know Bill Haycock says his is unmodified...I could really use the reduction in seat height w/o the lowering kit. -- Kurt Simpson KLR650 A12 OB HawkGT '89 FS XS-650 '77 FS XS-650 '79 FS XS-650 '80 FS Ask me how to subscribe to the KLR Dual Sport Newsletter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Catron, Geoff" Subject: (klr650) Son of Kiliminjaro Date: 04 May 1998 16:59:07 -0400 Hello All, I finally have something to add to the list! The short version of the Kiliminjaro is the Kenya. Same jacket, shorter cut, a little less expensive. Geoff Catron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nma@juno.com Subject: (klr650) Re: Kiliminjaro Jacket Date: 04 May 1998 14:54:37 -0700 Definetly check Deming, those guys are great and they'll deal. Rob On Mon, 04 May 1998 13:57:25 -0600 Roy Cope writes: >I paid around $300 for mine, but some guys I talked to in Moab said >they >paid around $270 from Deming Cycle Center. their ph # is 505-546-2193 > >Roy Cope 96KLR > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Barthell Subject: Re: (klr650) Extra Fuel and Enduro4 tires Date: 04 May 1998 17:22:40 -0500 Peter M. Dean wrote: > Intriguing post on the underside fuel tank Jim. I want one too !!!! > An underframe cowling would be perfect, something that > could be detached when extra range is not needed. Let me know more > about this! I ran some preliminary numbers today and think this is very doable. I'll be contacting a welder aquaintance this week but I think this will work, I'm looking at a couple versions:1) A 4.9 gallon to meet MERA standards. 2) All available space :-) for the unrestricted rides. Version 1 is the highest priority of course. I would still like to hear from people if they have any input or ideas either on the list or off. Things like, "put the filler and vent on the right side so that it doesn't dump fuel all over the place when on the side stand". See wouldn't it be a shame to have to figure that one out the hard way ;-) > I have seen my per tank mileage plummet from 300+ miles to 190 as I have > done more endurance riding. Ditto that, I once hit reserv at 175 miles! > and most dramatically the increased cruising speed have all worked to lower > my range. What is your cruising speed? @ what rpm? Anyone regularly run above 7k? Is it safe? I found myself running around 6k following a BMW and a GoldWing back from Daytona through some heavy rain. My guess is that if the weather was better they would have wicked it up and I was about as close to redline as I have ever run so they would have left me there. > Someone asked about Metzler Enduro4 tires on a KLR. I've been using them > for about 22,000 miles now. Looks like I will be getting about 12,000 > miles a set. I think I might change to something else soon though. I > attempted to change the tires myself with the tools I carry last time > and I could only do the front tire. I couldn't even break the bead on > the back tire. That won't do if I'm stuck on the road. Finally, I thought I was the only one that had trouble with this. > Jim, what tires do you use? I am running Metzler ME-33 Lazer on front and ME-1 comp-K on the rear. Great tires! absolutely dynomite street tires. The rear lasts about 5000 miles but is absolutlely velcro'd to the pavement, even in the rain. I'm not as interested in getting 10,000 miles out of a tire if it slips, even a little. But breaking the bead is a b***h. I thought I was going to bust a gut trying to change a tire last month. I finally gave up and took the wheel and tire to the dealer and had him do it. Like you, I want something I can repair on the road. A tubeless setup would've been nice. Anyway, the Enduro4 and my Metzlers are designed to work for tubless applications so I'm guessing the tube type tires may be more serviceable on the side of the road. Still, if it doesn't stay planted on the pavement... I'll stick with my ME-33 ME-1 combination and get used to calling MoTow ;-). With my next tire change, (~4000 from now), I am going to look at a 120/90 - 17 ME55 for the rear. I think Mister_T on this list said he was running that in the OEM size but I haven't seen that size here in the states. I ran the Michelin T-66, (I think), on my '95 KLR and thought it had less stick'um than the stock Dunlop so I really didn't like it. It broke loose once while making a left turn through an intersection where it really had no business breaking loose. -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beez@Cyra.COM (Christopher Beasley) Subject: (klr650) Tuning questions. Date: 04 May 1998 16:08:42 -0700 Ok, Just got my SuperTrapp, DynoJet, K&N stuff from Arrowhead. Thanks Fred! Now I'm wondering, if I should use stage one or two. What airbox modifications are required to go to stage two? Can I do the carb work with the carb on the bike? The DynoJet instructions are a little thin. They give no info on how to tune the thing up, just how to do the prelim. setup. Please everyone, send gobs of advice! :) Thanks! Chris (soon to be faster) p.s. I have a mildly ported ( and freshly rebuilt ) head on my otherwise stock '89 engine. Christopher J. Beasley beez@cyra.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrick Brand Subject: (klr650) fork tubes in triple clamp? Date: 04 May 1998 18:48:59 -0500 When I got my 97 from the dealer the fork tubes came thru the triple clamp about 2 ". Mike from dual star says the reason I'm having trouble with the center stand is the tubes are suppose to be clear to the top of the clamp. Called the dealer and they said "Aw, what ever works!" Does anyone know for sure where the tubes are suppose to be? thanks tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beez@Cyra.COM (Christopher Beasley) Subject: Re: (klr650) fork tubes in triple clamp? Date: 04 May 1998 16:55:30 -0700 Well, it depends on a lot of factors, but I wouldn't go more than three or four cm. away from the stock position. I can't tell you what that is because my bike was used, and had no fork boots when I got it, so I think it was hacked on before I got it. My suspicion is that "all the way down in the clamps" is the stock pos. I can tell you that I like to run on the road with mine slid up in the clamps about two cm, and offroad I like them slid up one cm. This provides additional stability over sliding them down all the way. Sliding them up more than three or four will start to reduce stability again, reduce ground clearance and possibly cause things to bottom out. Sounds like what you really need is a better dealer... Good luck! b >When I got my 97 from the dealer the fork tubes came thru >the triple clamp about 2 ". >Mike from dual star says the reason I'm having trouble with >the center stand is the tubes are suppose to be clear to the >top of the clamp. >Called the dealer and they said "Aw, what ever works!" >Does anyone know for sure where the tubes are suppose to be? >thanks tom > > > Christopher J. Beasley beez@cyra.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Barthell Subject: Re: (klr650) fork tubes in triple clamp? Date: 04 May 1998 19:09:42 -0500 Patrick Brand wrote: > When I got my 97 from the dealer the fork tubes came thru > the triple clamp about 2 ". > Mike from dual star says the reason I'm having trouble with > the center stand is the tubes are suppose to be clear to the > top of the clamp. > Called the dealer and they said "Aw, what ever works!" > Does anyone know for sure where the tubes are suppose to be? I think Mike is correct, my '95 came with the tubes very near the top. My '97 was delivered as you described with about 2" showing. I saw it right away and said "What's up with that??" A service manager I trusted pretty well said they probably set it up that way for shorter riders. I imagine lowering the seat height of the KLR is a common request. I said I didn't want my seat height lowered thats a feature of the KLR not a bug. He said just support the front end, loosen the bolts and pull the tubes lower. I asked if it would affect the handling and I think, it's been a while, he said it would be more stable and a little less twitchy, but probably not noticably. I said stable is good for the kind of riding I do. I did the adjustment myself, which is amazing considering my mechanical abilities at the time but it really is simple. -- Jim Barthell - TX '97 'C-O-O-O-W'...asaki KiLleR 650 FSSNOC #2421 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) Jesse Panniers Date: 04 May 1998 20:39:36 -0400 Just received a set of black powder-coated Al Jesse panniers and am very impressed with the design and detail of the boxes and mounts. The right hand pannier is nicely form-wrapped close to the exhaust. Delivery took slightly over one month, cost $720 plus another $70 for optional wire racks, and shipping via UPS ground was included. Can't find the key yet, so I gotta call Jesse and ask. I'm stoked. Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) SuperTrapp IDS problems Date: 04 May 1998 20:58:30 -0400 Cameron, Welcome to the COBRA family. You will not be disappointed. Richen that thing up. I'm at a 155 with the low speed 4 turns out. Major breathing! Let me know how it runs, Todd A11 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marick Payton" Subject: (klr650) supertrapp ids problems Date: 04 May 1998 18:29:58 PDT So, Todd, how did all this power enhancement affect your mileage? Marick >Welcome to the COBRA family. You will not be disappointed. Richen >that thing up. I'm at a 155 with the low speed 4 turns out. Major >breathing! > Let me know how it runs, > Todd A11 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) fork tubes in triple clamp? Date: 04 May 1998 21:32:17 -0400 Mike is right. Top of the tubes flush with the triple clamps. Todd A11 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Stock Corbin... Date: 04 May 1998 21:32:26 -0400 Kurt, I have an unmodified Corbin and I love it. It holds you in one place. It makes you feel like you are "in" the bike rather than on it. I am short, 5'7", which I think is why I don't feel shoved up on the tank the way that everyone else seems to. The lowering of the center of gravity is amazing. I can fishtail the back end all over with my feet on the