From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V1 #31 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Tuesday, March 24 1998 Volume 01 : Number 031 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:23:34 -0700 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) junk >If I were thinking about buying a KLR and followed this list >for a month or so, I would be looking for something else.The KLR >would appear to be a bare bones piece of junk. Once you buy >it virtually everything on it should be replaced just as soon as >possible! >So for anyone just having bought a KLR, box stock is just fine! That is what makes America so great, it is called freedom of choice! Fred Hink moabmc@lasal.net Arrowhead Motorsports http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:31:04 -0600 From: Tim Royer Subject: Re: (klr650) junk As goes for me as well. My 98 KLR is stock except for some extra lead in the handle bars, some gel grips, and a home made set of saddle bags. Buying a new KLR has used up my toy budget for the year. Tim (98 KLR Kaw-Thump, the back road bomber) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:37:30 -0500 From: Peter Dahlheimer Subject: (klr650) The Weather Hi. Thought I'd add to this thread that it's, as usual, like 30 degrees here in lovely NJ today and, as usual, I went out riding and had a ball... The warm weather, when it comes, is just a bonus but not a necessity 8^). _pete 97KLR650 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:42:13 -0700 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: (klr650) YMF14L-2 & K&N I just tried to order the maintenance free YMF14L-2 battery for the KLR and was told by all my distributers that this battery is no longer being made. If you can find one at a dealer buy it up as they will no longer be around and there are no other batteries that come close to size and AH. Yuasa makes some other sizes but you will have to reshape your battery box to fit. If that is not enough bad news I was told by several distributers that K&N will no longer make the jet kit for the KLR. I just bought up the last two that Tucker Rocky had and one is sold already. I didn't ask about the K&N air filter but there are only two left in all 13 TR warehouses. Fred Hink moabmc@lasal.net Arrowhead Motorsports http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:44:05 EST From: Cloudhid Subject: Re (klr650) 89 KLR650 For Sale ?KLR I'm sure it's in very good condition as you say. According to MCN you're pricing your '89 as an '88. Great news for whoever buys your bike......but do you have to ruin it for the rest of us if we decide to sell ours? :-) Motorcycle Consumer N= ews:=0AUsed Bike Value Guide http://www.mcnews.com/articles/kawa.htm Ron (floating with his trickle charger) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >The better half says I can have a new KLR if I sell the old one. This = 1989 >KLR650 is in very good condition, with less than 14K miles. It has a r= ifle >windshield, lowering links, Supertrap (external disk) pipe, a good front= tire >and fairly new rear tire, and a new chain. The rear shock has been rebu= ilt. >Why am I selling it, cause I want a new one. What is the price you ask= , >$1800 It is located in Yorktown Virginia. I would be willing to trans= port=0Aa >reasonable distance. I can even email you pictures of it, if your=0Aint= erested. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:46:10 -0500 From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Fuel Octane? Pinging is a cleaning process? Anyone else skeptical? Did you get this from a knowledgeable source? Respectfully, Todd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:52:10 EST From: Cloudhid Subject: Re: (klr650) Fuel Octane? XKLR >Pinging is a cleaning process? Anyone else skeptical? Did you get this >from a knowledgeable source? > > Respectfully, > > Todd Pinging is most definitely a cleaning process.....so is Exlax to your intestines and a welding torch to your engine. How clean do you want either to be? Ron (eating his burrito in anticipation) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:54:18 -0500 From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: (klr650) Re:NKLR SHIRTS! Gino, Got my shirts today! They kick ass! I will wear them proudly all over the miserable, trail-deprived mid-atlantic. They really send a message with the sign on the back. All the speed in the world in a street bike is held hostage to the pavement. Can I possibly get these in short sleeve??!! I know that the people on the list will buy a batch, I'll buy 6. Please. P.S. Gino gets an A+ in customer service. 2 week turnaround from the East coast to NM. You beat MAW by a mile! Satisfied Customer, Todd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:04:35 -0500 From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) RE: Oils Ditto's on the Syntec. It makes the tranny like silk. Todd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:10:54 -0600 From: Chadd Thompson Subject: (klr650) Stainless oil filter? So has anyone tried out the stainless steal oil filter advertised in the news letter? If so what do you think about it? Thanks Chadd Thompson chadd@accessus.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:11:58 -0500 From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) RE: weather..... Jeff, Am I allowed to say "up yours buddy?"screw your 87 degrees? Sorry, I slipped, my brain is freezing in the march snowstorms of the eden we call the east coast. I hear it is gonna get to 60 this weekend. The bike will handle much better when I stop shivering so badly. Dreaming of short sleeves Todd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:29:53 -0600 From: Patrick Brand Subject: Re: (klr650) RE: Oils temsley@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > Ditto's on the Syntec. It makes the tranny like silk. > > ToddAsk a racer/mechanic about using synthetics. He said if the bike sits for any length of time they drain to the bottom. When you start the bike there is no lubrication.When taking things apart that have been oiled there is a coating on the parts. Makes sense to me. tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:22:52 -0500 From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) New Bike Why do you have to split the cases for a bad counter shaft sprocket? Todd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:27:35 -0500 From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) While we're on the subject of gas... If it feels fine, don't worry about the varnish. If you are going on a trip, rebuild the carb. Todd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:35:02 -0500 From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) junk Pat, There isn't a vehicle on this planet for sale that couldn't be improved by the owner. The beautiful thing about the KLR is the ability to modify it into a bike that fits the rider. I'm not trying to sell KLR's here, I want to mold mine into perfection, as close as I can afford. Todd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:38:55 -0500 From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) The Weather Keep the faith Pete, I'm shivering with you over in DE. Todd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:45:02 -0500 From: temsley@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (klr650) RE: Oils Tom, Repaet what you said about synthetics please. I couldn't understand the last post. Thanks, Todd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:43:00 -0500 From: "Michael Magnatta" Subject: Re: (klr650) While we're on the subject of gas... Thanks! Mike - -----Original Message----- From: temsley@ix.netcom.com To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 8:31 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) While we're on the subject of gas... >If it feels fine, don't worry about the varnish. If you are going on a >trip, rebuild the carb. > > Todd > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:20:35 -0600 From: mcpete@juno.com (Peter J McMahon) Subject: Re: (klr650) junk _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:35:01 EST From: RKJ38 Subject: (klr650) more oil One thing no one has mentioned (though someone said synthetics run off leaving parts "dry".....maybe after 8 yrs or so). In any case, synthetics pump much quicker when cold, and allow the pressure lubrication system to get oil to all the important parts quicker. Synthetics also crank easier at cold temps, allowing quicker starts and less batt draw. One drawback of synthetics is that they make it past gaskets easier, so if you have an old british bike with a seam in the middle of the bottom of the engine, it will probably leak synthetics. On the subject of gas, remember we are talking about a VERY narrow range of octane when we discuss 87 to 93, and if you run whatever seems to work for you in that range you'll be fine. Pinging is not a cleaning process. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:41:41 EST From: K650dsn Subject: (klr650) Fwd: no spark This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_890707301_boundary Content-ID: <0_890707301@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII what are the reasons why there is no spark to my plug?........i know about the plug,high volage wire,coil,cdi.....anything else?.....is there a place questions like this are posted?.......thank you. garrym@uclink4.berkeley.edu - --part0_890707301_boundary Content-ID: <0_890707301@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay01.mx.aol.com (relay01.mail.aol.com [172.31.106.125]) by air04.mail.aol.com (v40.16) with SMTP; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:04:37 -0500 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.39]) by relay01.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id OAA11842 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:04:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.32.195.191] (virus14.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.195.191]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09019 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:04:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: X-mailer: Eudora Pro 3.0 for Macintosh Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:04:33 -0800 To: k650dsn@aol.com From: "GARRY L. MADISON" Subject: no spark Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit what are the reasons why there is no spark to my plug?........i know about the plug,high volage wire,coil,cdi.....anything else?.....is there a place questions like this are posted?.......thank you. - --part0_890707301_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:48:45 EST From: K650dsn Subject: (klr650) Fwd: trails? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_890707725_boundary Content-ID: <0_890707725@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I am about to purchase a '93 KLX 650 from a friend. I had a DR650 dual sport before it got totalled (luckily I wasn't on it/some idiot backed over it and took off, and I made the mistake of not signing up for collision insurance, just theft and liability). I will be using the bike on the street a fair amount, but I'm wondering if you know how I could find out where some decent off-road riding can be found in New England. In particular, Massachusetts - since I live in Boston. Any info/help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Jeff - --part0_890707725_boundary Content-ID: <0_890707725@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Tokihead5 Return-path: To: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: trails? Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:50:15 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, I am about to purchase a '93 KLX 650 from a friend. I had a DR650 dual sport before it got totalled (luckily I wasn't on it/some idiot backed over it and took off, and I made the mistake of not signing up for collision insurance, just theft and liability). I will be using the bike on the street a fair amount, but I'm wondering if you know how I could find out where some decent off-road riding can be found in New England. In particular, Massachusetts - since I live in Boston. Any info/help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Jeff - --part0_890707725_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:58:09 EST From: K650dsn Subject: Re: (klr650) Stainless oil filter? In a message dated 98-03-23 20:08:09 EST, you write: << So has anyone tried out the stainless steal oil filter advertised in the news letter? If so what do you think about it? >> Got one in mine and just changed oil this weekend. Amazing how well it captures stuff. Cleaned it out in Kerosene and put 'er back in. These are really not that new. My ATV has one and Yamaha used them exclusively in the XS series. Gino ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:09:29 -0800 From: Brian Vance Subject: Re: (klr650) junk temsley@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > Pat, > > There isn't a vehicle on this planet for sale that couldn't be improved > by the owner. The beautiful thing about the KLR is the ability to modify > it into a bike that fits the rider. I'm not trying to sell KLR's here, I > want to mold mine into perfection, as close as I can afford. > > Todd I agree and I don't even have a 98 KLR. I just purchased a 94 KLR650 with 11k miles. Whoever owned it previously took extreme care of it because it looks like it just came off the floor. I have no plans to do any major changes except add some bags..However, I have noticed the stock jetting problem. Has anybody considered/or replaced the stock carb with another brand instead of re-jetting. I was told that replacing the stock carb because of the EPA standards may increase performance. Any comments? Brian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:21:57 -0500 From: Thomas Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) junk Patrick Brand wrote: > > If I were thinking about buying a KLR and followed this list > for a month or so, I would be looking for something else.The KLR > would appear to be a bare bones piece of junk. Once you buy > it virtually everything on it should be replaced just as soon as > possible! It would be interesting to take the dealers price, > say 4600, the 3000 overhaul, tires, windshield, center stand > etc. etc.etc. and see the price of the finished piece.Let's say > you paid a dealer to do all this before you took delivery.... > How much? > So for anyone just having bought a KLR, box stock is just fine! The way I see it, I cant think of another bike on the market that would require any fewer mods to make me happy, and the KLR is a very cost-effective base to work with in creating the bike of your dreams. All realy wanted is stiffer front springs, a big windshield, more lights and reflectors and a place to lash stuff down...and more front brakes...and a wider seat..and... But I still have a lot of bike for the money, period. - -Tom '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:31:08 -0500 From: Thomas Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) New Bike Robert Kaub wrote: > > Hello Fellow List-persons: > Just got a new KLR650 and would appreciate any special ideas or insights > from the readership. I know I need a center stand and bigger windshield. Hello, and welcome aboard! If you care to, you can come visit my KLR Page O' Horrors at: http://www.scsn.net/users/bullet/tomsmods.htm and pick up some pointers on how to mod your bike on a budget. I mean, a *realy tight* budget. :) - -Tom '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:36:58 -0500 From: Cameron Scott Cole Subject: RE: (klr650) junk Out of the crate the KLR is a good machine and for most it performs better than they need. For a few of us, however, we would like something more. We seek a perfect harmony of man and machine that can never exist, but we strive for it in hopes of finding a common ground with some happiness to boot. It is good to see one of our brothers so humble to accept this remarkable machines at face value. As for me, I prefer to remove some of the compromises made by parties both selling and buying. Cameron, 395 miles. - -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Brand [SMTP:pbrand@grasshopper.grasshoppernet.com] Sent: Monday, March 23, 1998 6:57 PM To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Subject: (klr650) junk If I were thinking about buying a KLR and followed this list for a month or so, I would be looking for something else.The KLR would appear to be a bare bones piece of junk. Once you buy it virtually everything on it should be replaced just as soon as possible! It would be interesting to take the dealers price, say 4600, the 3000 overhaul, tires, windshield, center stand etc. etc.etc. and see the price of the finished piece.Let's say you paid a dealer to do all this before you took delivery.... How much? So for anyone just having bought a KLR, box stock is just fine! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:51:20 -0400 From: "Rick Clarke" Subject: Re: (klr650) Fuel Octane? Todd wrote: > Pinging is a cleaning process? Anyone else skeptical? Did you get this > from a knowledgeable source? First place I heard it was from a Ph.D. engineer at work. He was working on my project doing mold flow analysis and FEA of diffusion through plastic parts. In a previous job he did some combustion dynamics simulation for Detroit. He has since moved on to nozzle design for controlled particle size aerosol formation in pulmonary drug delivery. I call that pretty knowledgeable. Another source is my Chevy wagon owner's manual. It states to use a low enough octane to achieve occasional pinging. Although it says it's beneficial, it doesn't say why. Yeah, I know my KLR motor is a far cry from a Chevy V8. It's still a 4-stroke. - -Rick R.P.Clarke (rpclarke@mindspring.com) "What traffic?" RTP, NC, USA DoD#5811 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:53:59 EST From: Rcklr Subject: Fwd: (klr650) New Bike This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_890711639_boundary Content-ID: <0_890711639@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Whew! Glad we got that one straightened out..... You're right, if I was going to split the cases I'd get some things done right at that point too. Good Luck!! Ron (MN) - --part0_890711639_boundary Content-ID: <0_890711639@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay23.mx.aol.com (relay23.mail.aol.com [172.31.106.69]) by air29.mail.aol.com (v40.16) with SMTP; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:01:09 -0500 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by relay23.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id SAA20191; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:00:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yHGBe-0004Sk-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:59:22 -0700 Received: from (mailgw1.lmco.com) [192.31.106.3] by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yHGBa-0004SE-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:59:19 -0700 Received: from emss02g01.ems.lmco.com (relay2.ems.lmco.com [160.205.32.118]) by mailgw1.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25954 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:59:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from emss04m01.ems.lmco.com ([166.17.13.108]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20543) with ESMTP id <0EQA00JJXNUR7H@lmco.com> for klr650@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:59:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by emss04m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:58:39 -0500 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:58:16 -0500 From: "Hamilton, Peter F" Subject: RE: (klr650) New Bike To: "'klr650@lists.xmission.com'" Message-id: <815D4FDDF9F6D011A5ED0000F804A875683D8B@cs_mail.cs.lmco.com> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-klr650@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Pete, > I'm confused, why split the cases for a counter-shaft sprocket? If > the shaft > is bad, you're correct but the sprocket is easily replaced. Maybe > someone > already talked to you about this...... > I'm sorry -- of course you don't need to split cases to swap the countershaft sprocket... what a maintenance bummer that'd be! I meant the countershaft *spline* is screwed up -- somebody before me used an inferior sprocket, which was too loose, and the rocking back and forth has worn the teeth of the spline down to the point where I'm worried I'll strip it doing a wheelie! - --Pete - --part0_890711639_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:01:05 EST From: Rcklr Subject: (klr650) Fwd: Check's in the mail This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_890712065_boundary Content-ID: <0_890712065@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Fred, I hope it's OK that I put this out on the list. Wow!! No more long discussions about jet kits? Now what? It's a good thing that we're all talking like this so that we can share information if we're going to lose access to things like this. We can keep sharing info so that we can make our own kits if we have too. Keep on keep'n on!! - --part0_890712065_boundary Content-ID: <0_890712065@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay16.mx.aol.com (relay16.mail.aol.com [172.31.106.72]) by air28.mail.aol.com (v40.16) with SMTP; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:49:45 -0500 Received: from lasal.net (moab.lasal.net [208.25.108.66]) by relay16.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id SAA12511 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:49:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [208.25.108.97] by lasal.net (SMTPD32-4.0) id A5862A8D0118; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:51:34 -0700 Message-ID: <01f101bd56b6$7be3b880$5e6c19d0@moabmc.timp.net> From: "Fred Hink" To: "Rcklr" Subject: Re: Check's in the mail Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:50:38 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Ron, I just got your check today. I will mail the jet kit tomorrow and th= e tank bag should be here sometime this week. It will be shipped from Montrose Colorado. I found out today that K&N will not make the jet kit = for the KLR anymore. I ordered the last one that Tucker Rocky had. Let me k= now how yours works out. Thanks for your business! Fred Hink ps. It was 80 here yesterday and it feels like 90 today. moabmc@lasal.net Arrowhead Motorsports http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/khink/moabmc/index.html - -----Original Message----- From: Rcklr To: moabmc@lasal.net Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 3:45 PM Subject: Check's in the mail >Fred, >Did you get the check for the jet-kit and tank bag? Just checking to ma= ke >sure no disgruntled post office employee stopped commerce for us.....kno= w what >I mean? Well, it's supposed to warm up out here this week, maybe spring will >spread it's warmth for us and I can get ON THE ROAD!! > >Talk later. > >Ron Crandell > - --part0_890712065_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:10:17 -0600 From: se Subject: Re: (klr650) junk Chuck McCullough wrote: happy with the stock klr.. . ride for a while, then decide. not perfect (probably) > Patrick Brand wrote: >box stock is just fine!. Trouble is, other than fluids, tires, chain/sprockets, windshield (broke it), gear shift (bent it), right mirrow (broke it). My 87 just keeps on starting good, running good, and going good anywhere on any terrain in any weather at any speed I care to go and have the skill to take it. So far on an '87 now at 20,000 miles, that I don't drive hard and I don't drive easy.: Some of the decals started peeling, I removed them. (>looks better to me) Replaced the headlight with a higher wattage bulb.(>helps allot, scares deer better) Tank leaked when I bought it.("creamed" it) Ten year old fork boots split from old age. (replaced them, in matching white) Tires wore out. (replaced them with Gripsters per Gino & others >> improvement!) Chain/Sprocket ready for replacement now (8k miles since I bought it). (Ordering per info from lists) Now if I could just rip that stock seat ( hasn't faded or noticeably worn) I could replace it with something better. (Biggest weak point to me) (If someone has a pan/seat they want to sell, I might break down and get a Russell or a Sargent.) A KLR is more a near "perfect wife" than a "Hot Date"? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:13:12 -0700 From: Kurt Simpson Subject: (klr650) Previous Karma KLR's...... Found these four bikes listed at: http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/Display.exe?DejaNews+Auto+Motorcycle+ Search ______________________________________________ Motorcycle 1992, Kawasaki 650 Dual Sport, 11K miles, $2,000/OBO Description Clean and well maintined, used mostly on pavement, this dual sport is ready to go for this spring. Barely a scratch, garaged and one owner. Don't wait, won't last long. For sale by private party (503) 940-2430 cornelius, Oregon 97113 ____________________________________________ Motorcycle 1988, Kawasaki klr650, 23K miles, $1,500/OBO Description Great all around motorcycle. Mostly stock with stainless steel front brake lines. White, Blue and Green. Seller Info For sale by private party (607) 770-4196 endicott, New York 13760 Post Date 26-FEB-98 ______________________________________________ Motorcycle 1994, Kawasaki KLR650 DUALSPORT, 6K miles, $2,800/OBO Description This bikes too big for me(SHORT RIDERS NEED NOT REPLY)!!! Would consider trade for 1992 DR350 dual-sport or newer. New battery and back tire. Seller Info For sale by private party (253) 946-4857 Auburn, Washington 98001 Post Date 10-FEB-98 __________________________________________________ Motorcycle 1995, Kawasaki KLR-650, 1K miles, $3,200/OBO Description Dual sport with only 1000 miles. This was the bike I learned with. In excellent condition, almost like new. Seller Info For sale by private party Waukesha, Wisconsin 53188 Post Date 02-FEB-98 ________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:13:50 -0400 From: "Rick Clarke" Subject: Re: (klr650) more oil >Pinging is not a cleaning > process. Bob With normal combustion, there is a boundary layer that remains stagnant and unburned at the surface of the combustion chamber. When pinging occurs, there is more turbulence and the boundary layer is disrupted, igniting the fuel mixture all the way to the metal. This also allows oxidation of the carbon layer that has formed on the cooler metal parts during the normal combustion cycles. The carbon is burned off. The stagnant boundary layer also performs a protective function. It insulates the metal from the super hot combustion gases. If pinging is allowed to occur continuously, the metal overheats and the engine will suffer a meltdown. It's the heat from pinging that damages the engine, not the mechanical stress. That's why occasional pinging can be beneficial. It scrubs off the carbon but doesn't put enough heat in the metal to be damaging. So when does pinging become detrimental? When it occurs at long enough intervals to overheat critical engine parts. The piston tends to be the most vulnerable because it has the least cooling and is made of aluminum. It depends on oil underneath and intake gases above for much of its cooling. I suppose it can also transfer some heat through the skirt. I imagine a long upgrade with a heavy load could get things pretty hot if the engine was pinging all the way. I don't have a good feel for exactly when things go sour. At least, this is what I've been told. Since I've never done the research personally or checked for SAE papers, perhaps I've been misinformed. - -Rick R.P.Clarke (rpclarke@mindspring.com) "What traffic?" RTP, NC, USA DoD#5811 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:14:26 EST From: Rcklr Subject: Re: (klr650) The Weather Pete & Todd, Me too. Minnesota is not a bikers paradise during the cold winters, but it's supposed to get warm soon, and then we REALLY enjoy our bikes!! Maybe we appreciate them more since we don't get to ride them every day.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:18:08 -0700 From: Kurt Simpson Subject: (klr650) NKLR...Comments Kathleen? >A KLR is more a near "perfect wife" than a "Hot Date"? > >Robert > Kathleen, is your KLR female or male? Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:18:40 EST From: Cloudhid Subject: (klr650) PING-Detonation/Preignition >Pinging is a cleaning process? Anyone else skeptical? Did you get this >from a knowledgeable source? > > Respectfully, > > Todd Sorry Todd.......Just reread my earlier response.....didn't mean to sound disrespectful. (it was the burrito talkin').....my poor attempt at being facetious. Pinging will clean your clock! That funny little sound we hear is the fuel/air ignighting in an abnormal way. Normally when the cylinder is at TDC (top dead center) of the compression stroke, the spark plug ignites the mixture and burns across the cylinder at 70 to 100 feet per second. The speed of the burn is determined by the type of fuel, the pressure on the fuel/air mixture, and the temperature of the air/fuel mixture. When any of these three values get outta whack........you either suffer detonation or preignition.....both bad. The most reliable way to tell, (sometimes you don't hear it over the road noise) is a loss in power. So get out your seat pocket dyno's :-) When the fuel/air mixture gets above a certain temperature and the pressure exceeds what is normal for that engine, spontaneous combustion arrives before the piston is in the correct position. This sets off a pressure wave that causes such high pressures that sometimes the structural design of the cylinder is exceeded. Not really such a big deal if you hear it pinging and you back off on the accelerator (reducing the pressure). Over the long haul though, you might as well take your cylinder out and whack it with a sledge hammer. Same effect. Preignition is like deiseling. Instead of a glow plug, deposits on your cylinder heat up and cause the mixture to burn before it should........same problem for your engine as detonation. How do you fix clean. Maintain your cooling system (coolant level, obstructions to air flow, etc). Ron (just offering his opinion and experiences with flying 4 strokes) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:22:36 -0700 From: Kurt Simpson Subject: (klr650) NKLR...ice shanty haulers... At 11:14 PM 3/23/98 EST, you wrote: >Pete & Todd, > >Me too. Minnesota is not a bikers paradise during the cold winters, but it's >supposed to get warm soon, and then we REALLY enjoy our bikes!! Maybe we >appreciate them more since we don't get to ride them every day.... > > Come on now...are you sure you don't use them to pull the ice shanties out on the lake? Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:26:42 -0400 From: "Rick Clarke" Subject: Re: (klr650) RE: Oils > > ToddAsk a racer/mechanic about using synthetics. He said if the > bike sits for any length of time they drain to the bottom. > When you start the bike there is no lubrication.When taking > things apart that have been oiled there is a coating on the > parts. Makes sense to me. tom Ahh, the oil drain down issue. I believe what you're trying to say is that synthetic oil will drain off the moving parts of the engine more so than conventional oil when the engine is left to sit for long periods. This in turn might leave the engine with inadequate lubrication during startup. I've heard about this issue. I think this is why Mobil switched a few years ago from an alpha-olefin based stock for their Mobil 1 to a ester-based stock. I'm not real sure about that though. I vaguely remember a Mobil rep telling me that. Paid reps aren't my favorite source of information, so take it about as far as you can throw it. - -Rick R.P.Clarke (rpclarke@mindspring.com) "What traffic?" RTP, NC, USA DoD#5811 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:28:42 EST From: Cloudhid Subject: Re: (klr650) PING-Detonation/Preignition >How do you fix clean. Maintain your cooling >system (coolant level, obstructions to air flow, etc). > >Ron (just offering his opinion and experiences with flying 4 strokes) OOPS! that paragraph should have read...... How do you fix it? Use good fuel. Err on the side of a richer mixture. change your oil when you should. Clean your bike (dirt on the fins etc, inhibits heat exchange). Maintain your cooling system (coolant level, obstructions to air flow, etc). Ron (to quick on the draw) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:39:07 EST From: Rcklr Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR...ice shanty haulers... No, they use snowmobiles on the lakes. Me, I'm too busy with kids in hockey to sit in a little shed trying to stay warm while holding a tiny stick with a string through 3 feet of ice. I do have a neat picture on my wall of the late Donny Schmit riding his YZ on a supercross track that he built on a frozen lake though, doing a neat double to boot. Wow!! But, if you have ever had a chance to watch some ice racing (not with speedway bikes like they show on TV) or done it, it's a real kick!! As much as I like my KLR, I don't think that it lends itself well to that type of stuff. Of course, if you chose to do some modifications to it, (stock ain't gonna make it here) then who knows what fun could be had in the frozen north. But I'm not gonna get into that stock vs. modified discussion, no way, not me, uh uh, no chance.......... Ron in MN (stock is nice, but who wants to be nice????) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:49:04 -0700 From: Kurt Simpson Subject: (klr650) NKLR...more oils... This is another good article on oils, I may be hearing the God of Castrol-Syntec....OMMMMMMMMM Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:51:33 -0700 From: Kurt Simpson Subject: (klr650) NKLR oils...the link... Ooops... http://www.paranoia.com/~filipg/HTML/AUTO/F_oil_facts.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:52:17 EST From: Cloudhid Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR...more oils... >This is another good article on oils, I may be hearing the God of >Castrol-Syntec....OMMMMMMMMM > >Kurt That would be an article of faith. Ron (still waiting for a sign from the Oil God) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:29:32 -0700 From: jfountain@webtv.net Subject: RE: (klr650) RE: weather..... oh yeah... you guys have ticks out there. I'll take a scorpion over a tick anyday. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:00:13 -0500 From: Todd Emsley Subject: Re: (klr650) more oil Thank You Bob, Pinging is not an advantage. It does tell you the jetting is at it's "lean limit". None for me, thank you. I'll clean my combustion chamber myself instead. Todd ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:01:41 -0500 From: Todd Emsley Subject: Re: (klr650) Fwd: no spark Garry, Double check the kill switch and the notorious side stand switch. Todd ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:03:38 -0500 From: Todd Emsley Subject: Re: (klr650) Fwd: trails? Jeff, I hope you have better luck than I do in the mid-atlantic. I would think you would find some state land west of you into mass. or vt. All the land down here belongs to someone. Bummer. Todd ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:07:47 -0500 From: Todd Emsley Subject: Re: (klr650) junk Brian, I don't know what your state does as far as exhaust emissions testing, but if there isn't any, get a "direct pull" carb instead of the "emission freindly CV carb" I have heard the performance increase is substantial, At least the grunt is increased. You could go up to a 40mm or larger and increase power as well. Price I have heard is around 250.00$ with some light grinding to get it to fit. Saving my next $250 Todd ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:14:11 -0500 From: Todd Emsley Subject: Re: (klr650) junk Robert says it all.....A KLR is more a near "perfect wife" than a "Hot Date"? Settling in for the long haul, Todd ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V1 #31 ***************************