From: "NO europe and NO euro" Subject: (kw) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 08:23:47 CET Date: 01 Mar 1999 13:42:58 -0700 I've got a reprinted Radio-Activity on LP by Capitol. All 12 tracks are listed. But somehow, there's no Transistor on it. Does this make the LP really rare, or is it just a common mistake? Eitherway, Capitol suck for denying me a Kraftwerk song. Well, whatever, I've got it on CD anyway... Matt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) News on my MP3 page http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald/audio/mp3.htm Date: 01 Mar 1999 22:00:42 +0100 (CET) Hi, This Week: Kraftwerk Autobahn 7" version Musique Nonstop 12" version Kometenmelodie 2 (Edit) Radio-activity 7" version Showroom Dummies 7" version Kohoutek version 1 Note: as for last week, since I already posted these files in November, this is the last posting of these MP3 on my page. Don't ask for them to be back afterward. Enjoy!!! Arnaud # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "MuSiK" Subject: (kw) (off-topic) searching adress (for spanish readers) Date: 02 Mar 1999 13:33:09 +0100 I'm sorry, this is off topic and for spanish readers :-( Estoy buscando direciones de compa=F1=EDas independientes para enviar una maqueta de techno. He buscado la direcci=F3n de Dro por internet y no la he encontrado. Si alguien sabe la direcci=F3n de Dro u otras compa=F1=EDas independiente= s, agradecer=EDa mucho que me la o las enviase privadamente a mi e-mail musik@cheerful.com Cualquier ayuda ser=E1 apreciada. Gracias. Juan Prieto - MuSiK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Johnson Subject: (kw) New Warfield Theater San Fran boot. Date: 02 Mar 1999 07:47:54 -0800 On WED 24 FEB, "47" wrote about a new bootleg from the last tour... KRAFTWERK The Warfield Theater Soundboard San Francisco, California - USA June 7, 1998 2 CD by GlobalBelt Productions, catalog number is GBP 55961-1. Could he or someone please cite a WEB site where it can be *ordered*? Many thanks. -Keith J. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BILL Subject: Re: (kw) New Warfield Theater San Fran boot. Date: 02 Mar 1999 09:56:12 -0800 WOWZER! FOR REAL? I WAS THERE!! IT WAS A KILLER SHOW! I would dearly love to have a copy! Keith Johnson wrote: > On WED 24 FEB, "47" wrote about a new bootleg from the last tour... > > KRAFTWERK The Warfield Theater Soundboard San Francisco, California - USA > June 7, 1998 2 CD by GlobalBelt Productions, catalog number is GBP 55961-1. > > Could he or someone please cite a WEB site where it can be *ordered*? > > Many thanks. > > -Keith J. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "NeXTcube" Subject: (kw) KRAFTWELT CDs on Ebay. Date: 02 Mar 1999 17:50:13 +0500 I heard ya'll talking about KRAFTWELT, so I put 2 of their CDs on Ebay..... Check them out.... 72300214: KRAFTWELT - Deranged in Space - CD Auction ends on: 03/07/99 09:41:38 PST http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=72300214 72301950: KRAFTWELT - Electric Dimension - CD Auction ends on: 03/07/99 09:45:57 PST http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=72301950 Have fun! Gary Lalim STIMPSTER # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JESUS RAMON DIAZ ALVAREZ" Subject: (kw) I'm looking for concerts of Kraftwerk Date: 02 Mar 1999 23:59:53 +0100 Hello, I am new in the list, I am a Spanish fan of Kraftwerk and I'm looking for concerts of Kraftwerk. I have two concerts of Kraftwerk: "1974 live, the classics concerts" and " Computers in love, 1981, live in Belgium ". I know that there are others concerts of Kraftwerk ( bootleg ) and I'm looking for. If you know some address or to somebody that can help me to get them please you send me their address. Answer me, please. Thank you. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: (kw) Small web page to Kraftwerk Date: 02 Mar 1999 20:09:56 -0400 I have recently posted my own little tribute to Kraftwerk. It's not much, but I do not want to post other peoples work/pictures (unless you are interested !) I still have 4 megs left for further items. if you are interested I can post them for you! Cheers! Eric Knight AKA= ericknig@sprynet.com Kraftwerk...... A way of life ! Powered By MACINTOSH! Think Different !! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: (kw) OOPS forgot the URL Date: 02 Mar 1999 20:16:54 -0400 DUh! Here's the URL for the Web Page : http://home.sprynet.com/~ericknig/eric.html I aplolgize for not posting it in the Previous message. Eric Knight AKA= ericknig@sprynet.com Kraftwerk...... A way of life ! Powered By MACINTOSH! 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: (kw) san fran boot Date: 02 Mar 1999 22:14:13 -0800 hello everybody, i'd like to sort out this confusion i started by not providing all the details about the san fran concert botleg i mentioned. i recently bought Virtu Ex Machina CD from Larry LaCost (i beleive Klaus Zaepke knows who Larry is). i was looking at Larry's website (see url below) and found the San fran concert. i don't own one. i've seen only one copy for sale ($100) (see url below) and got the info there. so, at the moment i don't know where to order more copies. i am looking and searching to find out. maybe the same person who sold the other one will have more. http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cafe/2145/boot.htm http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cafe/2145/Warfield1.jpg http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cafe/2145/Warfield2.jpg http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=69920271 thank you, lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) san fran boot Date: 03 Mar 1999 10:07:19 EST In a message dated 3/2/99 7:14:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, 47@radiolink.net writes: << maybe the same person who sold the other one will have more. >> I want the san fran boot also!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lars Nellemann" Subject: Re: (kw) I'm looking for concerts of Kraftwerk Date: 03 Mar 1999 07:23:17 +0100 There's many concerts featured on the Kraftwerk MP3 Anthologies. Check out this page for tracklistings: http://www.image.dk/~biotech4/kw/ The concerts can be transferred to Audio CDs as well. Lars > >Hello, I am new in the list, I am a Spanish fan of Kraftwerk and I'm >looking for concerts of Kraftwerk. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Future Music Date: 03 Mar 1999 16:42:13 +0100 Number 3 of The Mix (the accompanying magazine of the Spanish edition of Future Music number 25, March 1999) contains on page 35 an article about vocoders in which it said: "Kraftwerk is proud to have at least one vocoder of each model appeared of the company EMS (the one that made the first vocoders) that they included in everyone of their records". Number 25 of Future Music contains an interview with Andy McCluskey in which he says that he was interested for the first time in electronic music after seeing Kraftwerk at Liverpool Empire. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thomas m weibrecht Subject: Re: (kw) san fran boot Date: 03 Mar 1999 10:52:47 -0500 On Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:14:13 -0800 47 <47@radiolink.net> writes: > >hello everybody, > >i'd like to sort out this confusion i started by not providing all the >details about the san fran concert botleg i mentioned. i recently >bought >Virtu Ex Machina CD from Larry LaCost (i beleive Klaus Zaepke knows >who >Larry is). i was looking at Larry's website (see url below) and found >the >San fran concert. i don't own one. i've seen only one copy for sale >($100) (see url below) and got the info there. so, at the moment i >don't >know where to order more copies. i am looking and searching to find >out. >maybe the same person who sold the other one will have more. unbelievable...is there really someone dumb enough to pay $ 100 for a boot of the san francisco show? ive offered before, and ill do it again: a 1st generation copy of the nyc show for some kinda trade.... tom w np: 1-A Dusseldorf = fettleber (yowzaaaaaaa; Klaus: u have this yet? run, dont walk) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) What??? Date: 03 Mar 1999 17:00:58 EST In a message dated 26/02/99 06:00:31 GMT Standard Time, 47@radiolink.net writes: << one time i was at a record store and i came accross a kraftwerk album which i have never seen before. it was called "Blue Flowers in Heaven" and had clouds and blue flowers on the cover. i bought it and found out there was only one copy of it in the world, and it made everyone i knew really jealous of me. and then i woke up. >> Funny. same thing happened to me. >8^D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Pitt" Subject: (kw) Tour De Kraft update Date: 03 Mar 1999 23:37:17 -0000 Hi, MP3's from the 1981 tour; The Robots - Japan It's more fun to Compute - Japan The Cover version is 'Computer Love' done by Balanescu Quartet in their penultimate appearance at Tour De Kraft. It two weeks, for the first time on my site, the start of the 1981 concert in Belgium. Mike. Kraftwerk Live 1981 and Cover Versions. http://website.lineone.net/~mike.pitt/tdk.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeroen de Haan" Subject: (kw) Taschenrechner trivia Date: 04 Mar 1999 17:12:08 +0100 Dear werkers, I found an article about Kraftwerk between my 12" of Pocketcalculator/Denkatu, taken from the German Bravo which gave me the ide= a (and the answers) for this little trivia-quiz: - What kind of calculator was used for Taschenrechner; extra points for the exact model. - What is the key-sequence to press "to play a little melody"? No price for the exact answers, just for fun, oke? -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ------ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Jeroen de Haan jeroen.de.haan@inter.NL.net =80 ICQ 31591917 http://web.inter.NL.net/users/familie_de_haan/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Stann Subject: RE: (kw) Taschenrechner trivia Date: 04 Mar 1999 10:30:58 -0600 Texas Instruments -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 10:12 AM Dear werkers, I found an article about Kraftwerk between my 12" of Pocketcalculator/Denkatu, taken from the German Bravo which gave me the idea (and the answers) for this little trivia-quiz: - What kind of calculator was used for Taschenrechner; extra points for the exact model. - What is the key-sequence to press "to play a little melody"? No price for the exact answers, just for fun, oke? -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ------ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Jeroen de Haan jeroen.de.haan@inter.NL.net ? ICQ 31591917 http://web.inter.NL.net/users/familie_de_haan/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "NO europe and NO euro" Subject: (kw) NEW KRAFTWERK PAGE Date: 04 Mar 1999 13:13:23 CET Yep, I've got a page on stuff. But mostly Kraftwerk. So go there, and e-mail your comments on it to gb_not_eu@hotmail.com so I can improve it. Matt site: www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palace/8922 Mattwerk! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicolau Centola" Subject: (kw) Some help Date: 04 Mar 1999 05:34:35 PST Hi guys! I=B4m planning to fly to Salt Lake City (USA) in the end of March. I would apreciate if somebody could tell me if there=B4s any good vinyl o= r=20 bootleg store in this city. Private mails, please. Thanks a lot. Peace. Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) albums sales Date: 05 Mar 1999 21:03:06 +0100 (CET) Hi, I am interested in the number of sales for the various KW albums, especially by country. Is there one location to find this information on the net? Does anyone have this information on their web site? btw, Is there somewhere a complete listing of known KW live performances with dates, countries & track listings? Thanks, # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: (kw) 1976 concerts? Date: 05 Mar 1999 15:12:13 -0500 (EST) If anyone has a recording of a Kraftwerk concert from 1976 and would be interested in selling or trading a copy, please send me a message privately. I've been reading the Aktivitaet article on this era and am intrigued to hear the embryonic versions of "Europa Endlos" and "TEE." Cassettes are fine! John ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "A psychotic is someone who's just figured Student Services, out what's going on." The University of Michigan --William S. Burroughs LS&A Honors Program http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Abzug1@aol.com Subject: (kw) Big Lebowski Date: 05 Mar 1999 17:09:37 EST Did anybody see the Big Lebowski???? The KWerk reference waz unforgetable, If you didn't see it, you should!!! It's worth the laugh!!! ::POP!:: # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry R LaCost Jr." Subject: Re: (kw) san fran boot Date: 07 Mar 1999 18:02:42 -0800 > i don't own one. i've seen only one copy for sale >($100) (see url below) and got the info there. so, at the moment i >don't >know where to order more copies. i am looking and searching to find >out. >maybe the same person who sold the other one will have more. For those living in Orange County, the Orange County Swap Meet has a booth which was selling copies of KW SF concert. I bought several copies at the show. It seems like it's an identical copy of the double CD I received about a month ago from a friend in Australia. So someone's out there repackaging this CD. For those who are in So. Cal., go to the swap meet for a copy. All I can say about this CD is that I do not know who is GlobalBelt Productions... does anyone know (is this an American company)? My copy of the Warfield Soundboard has a gold surface. The sound quality, though, is fabulous... it's in stereo. Larry... ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JMRosen@aol.com Subject: (kw) Help with Kraftwerk Concert Classics CD Date: 07 Mar 1999 21:55:16 EST Can anyone shed some light on the CD "Kraftwerk Concert Classics" Any help would be appreciated. Joel -- Joel M. Rosen The box said "Requires Win98 or better" - so I used a Macintosh! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron A." Subject: (kw) DJ Compute Date: 07 Mar 1999 16:56:44 PST Hi.. In case anyone was wondering, I'm about 280 messages behind this list, and I am trying to catch up...also working on many other web projects aside from the dj.compute page. One of them being The Nonsense Storybook, if anyone else is interested, there's some music there too but it's really stupid. We also have our own listserv where absolute nonsense is dealt with, often similar to this list. Worth checking out http://welcome.to/nonsensestorybook dj.compute ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: (kw) KW on ABC news program Date: 07 Mar 1999 22:37:19 EST I was just watching some news magazine program on american network ABC and for a brief, faint moment heard the beginning 'clock' and chord sounds of "Metropolis" - it was during a segment on some 20 year old murder - the music was during a "scientific" forensic segment. . . . . .strange. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) KlingKlang update 1.4 Date: 08 Mar 1999 9:03:25 +0100 New video on: http://members=2Etripod=2Ecom/~KlingKlang/ Just click the "GOTO KW VIDEO OF THE MONTH: " and you get it=2E This time it's Radioactivity, Brussels-91, the fifth number on this concert=2E Hope all of you got a chance to download the model because now its gone Next month I'll put up the next video=2E /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Helsen / Omnivore / Orbital / Groof / Bluetip / Vibert / Rother Date: 08 Mar 1999 10:23:11 +0100 The front cover of the CD "Tom Helsen" by Tom Helsen represents an ancient radio as the one of Radioactivity. J.J. Key (aka Omnivore) says to be influenced by Burt Bacharach, Wendy Carlos, Aphex Twin, Kraftwerk and The Beatles. On the new single by Orbital ("Style") they flirt with sounds a la Kraftwerk. "Electrokinetik Samba" is included in "Mambo!" (Minifunk / So Dens) by Groof (aka Roberto Gemelin). "El vocabulario limitado genera frases roboticas" ("The limited vocabulary generates robotic phrases") is included in "Join Us" (Dischord) by Bluetip. Luke Vibert played Musique Non Stop in his set at Nitsa-Apolo (Barcelona) on 12 february. On 13 february also at Nitsa-Apolo (Barcelona) played Anthony Rother and I-F. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Helsen / Omnivore / Orbital / Groof / Bluetip / Vibert / Rother Date: 08 Mar 1999 15:47:37 +0100 The front cover of the CD "Tom Helsen" by Tom Helsen represents an ancient radio as the one of Radioactivity. J.J. Key (aka Omnivore) says to be influenced by Burt Bacharach, Wendy Carlos, Aphex Twin, Kraftwerk and The Beatles. On the new single by Orbital ("Style") they flirt with sounds a la Kraftwerk. "Electrokinetik Samba" is included in "Mambo!" (Minifunk / So Dens) by Groof (aka Roberto Gemelin). "El vocabulario limitado genera frases roboticas" ("The limited vocabulary generates robotic phrases") is included in "Join Us" (Dischord) by Bluetip. Luke Vibert played Musique Non Stop in his set at Nitsa-Apolo (Barcelona) on 12 february. On 13 february also at Nitsa-Apolo (Barcelona) played Anthony Rother and I-F. The band Daily Planet has a song titled Electric Car. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: re: (kw) Taschenrechner trivia Date: 08 Mar 1999 17:10:13 +0100 >Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 17:12:08 +0100 >From: "Jeroen de Haan" >Subject: (kw) Taschenrechner trivia > >Dear werkers, > >I found an article about Kraftwerk between my 12" of >Pocketcalculator/Denkatu, taken from the German Bravo which gave me the ide= >a >(and the answers) for this little trivia-quiz: > >- - What kind of calculator was used for Taschenrechner; extra points for > the exact model. > >- - What is the key-sequence to press "to play a little melody"? > >No price for the exact answers, just for fun, oke? - - CASIO FX-501P - - 9-5-2-7 Regards Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob VonMoss Subject: Re: (kw) Helsen / Omnivore / Orbital / Groof / Bluetip / Vibert / Rother Date: 08 Mar 1999 10:31:02 -0600 Der Automat wrote: > The front cover of the CD "Tom Helsen" by Tom Helsen represents an ancient > radio as the one of Radioactivity. Or how about the concept of Thomas Dolby's "Age of Wireless." -- Bob VonMoss mailto:bvonmoss@bigfoot.com from Rosemont, IL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeroen de Haan" Subject: Re: (kw) Taschenrechner trivia Date: 08 Mar 1999 20:24:22 +0100 Darn your good (or have the same article?) ---------- >From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de >To: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > - - CASIO FX-501P > > - - 9-5-2-7 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JMJ Fanklubb Norge" Subject: (kw) A KW font? Date: 08 Mar 1999 21:25:39 +0100 Hey all, I am (among many things) a font addict, and today while browsing some = font websites I found a font called KOMETEN MELODIE. I dont know if it = is KW related, but someone with better KW knowledge than me can check it = out at http://hjem.get2net.dk/jfischer/ BTW, I am still looking for TT fonts that look like the fonts used on KW = album covers. Anyone? Jarre forever! Glenn Folkvord Jean-Michel Jarre Fanklubb Norge Lundgard, 2032 Maura (Norway) Mail to glenn@jmjfkn.com Surf to www.jmjfkn.com Organiser of the international JMJ tribute album Publisher of IMAGES magazine since 1993 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) News on my MP3 page http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald/audio/mp3.htm Date: 08 Mar 1999 21:51:08 +0100 (CET) Hi, This week: Kraftwerk Autobahn (Neu 1981 version) Radio-activity (Orbit 7" mix) The Telephone Call (7") Robotronic (7") Tour de France (12" in french) And starting this week, I will also post tracks from my others fav. bands. Enjoy!!! Arnaud # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (kw) Looking for items Date: 07 Mar 1999 20:02:54 PST To the Werkers: I am looking for the following items if anyone has them for sale : 1) A boot of the Palladium show on 6/8/98 (VHS and CD; preferably soundboard quality) 2) A boot of the Detroit show. 3) Numbers (US double A-side promo 7 inch on Warner Bros.; I had a copy of this, but it became destroyed) 4) Daft Punk remixes of Kraftwerk (I heard about these somewhere; do they even exist ? ) 5) A promo of Techno Pop (I also heard that these go for 400 quid in the UK) 6) Official Kraftwerk videos ( I've seen some streamed on the net, but the quality is crappy) Thanks in advance, NoiseWerker (Art of Noise & Kraftwerk forever) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rodrigo Rojas" Subject: (kw) Self Introduction - Question about Vocoder Date: 09 Mar 1999 01:18:11 -0400 Hello list..!! I'm new in this list and I want to introduce myself: Civil Engineer with a large background of the KW music and history. After KW I turned into Depeche Mode and later, after maybe 10 years I fell into the metal music scene (quite a change!!). But now I'm getting into KW again (thanks god!!!!). I own a complete music studio (digital with a PC) and a great keyboard (sample and synth - KORG) to start to make electronic and ambient music (I do it now). My question now is the next: does anybody where can I get a software (shareware for test it) to produce and playback speech like vocoder sounds of KW? Speech I mean it can vocoder my voice or just type in the PC keyboard and the program can speech the text. Any info will be very appreciate. Rod. ==================================== R. E. R. from Chile || E-Mail: rr@ctcreuna.cl Write in English, Spanish, Portuguese, Japanese. ==================================== R. E. R. from Chile || E-Mail: rr@ctcreuna.cl Write in English, Spanish, Portuguese, Japanese. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: (kw) Orbit Date: 08 Mar 1999 21:41:08 -0700 (MST) I just grabbed the RA-Orbit mix from Bonald's page (thanks, BTW!), and I'm wondering where it came from. I encountered this in RealMovie format last year and I just love it. I want to buy the album it's on, but I've never seen it named. Anyone know? In the same vein, someone posted an URL here a couple of weeks back for an MP3 called "Mantronix" that used lots of KW samples. Where did that song come from? /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour JGENTI Subject: Re: (kw) A KW font? Date: 09 Mar 1999 09:41:31 +0100 Hi, > I am (among many things) a font addict, and today while browsing some font websites I found a font called KOMETEN MELODIE. I dont know if it is KW related, but someone with better KW knowledge than me can check it out at http://hjem.get2net.dk/jfischer/ thanks for this font page. the name is related for sure, though the look seems not. the better thing is to ask its author. > BTW, I am still looking for TT fonts that look like the fonts used on KW album covers. Anyone? you can still try my web page: http://www.multimania.com/timlcf/kw in Computerwelt / Fonts Cheers, -- Timour JGENTI _________________________________________________ _____________ IFP poste 8075 _____________ http://www.multimania.com/timlcf/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Stop the radioactivity Date: 09 Mar 1999 15:50:17 +0100 Ukraine returned last sunday to put into operation the third reactor of the nuclear power station of Tchernobil. STOP THE RADIOACTIVITY! DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: Re: (kw) Stop the radioactivity Date: 09 Mar 1999 15:56:21 +0100 Yeah, lets use Polish coal-energy instead. *sigh* NuClear Energy... for you and me > nuclear power station of Tchernobil. > STOP THE RADIOACTIVITY! > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott_Coverley@fac.com Subject: (kw) Off Topic-Article slamming record companies in MP3 war Date: 09 Mar 1999 14:35:16 -0500 http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/insites/dvorak_print/jd_p.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo Cassolatto" Subject: Re: (kw) Stop the radioactivity Date: 09 Mar 1999 09:52:41 PST On Brazil live performances, before play RadioActivity, KW shows a=20 messsage about the danger of Nuclear Power Plants, hight prices to=20 construct and the dangerous problem with radioactivity on "enviroment",=20 in a accident like Tchernobyl !!!! STOP THE RADIOACTIVITY !!! WHY NOT RADIO ( the FM=B4s ) PERFORMANCES !!! Madame Curie dead with the self discover !!!!!! ( I don=B4t know if is this the correct name of the Ms. scientist !! ) ******************************************* ** SINTETIK - The sintetik way of life ! ** ** ** =20 ** sintetik@hotmail.com ** ** **=20 ******************************************* To be a tracker-> www.united-trackers.org =20 www.traxinspace.com =20 All you need----> www.maz-sound.com --< TRACK THE WORLD, YOU CAN DO THIS > -- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peeters Ivo" Subject: (kw) From Dusseldorf to the future Date: 09 Mar 1999 22:13:34 +0100 Hello, I have the opportunity to buy the KW book "From Dusseldorf to the future" by Tim Barr. I have already the book by Pascal Bussy. Do you KW-ers think it is worth to buy also the book by Tim Barr. Thanks, Ivo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) From Dusseldorf to the future Date: 09 Mar 1999 23:46:43 +0000 > I have already the book by Pascal Bussy. Do you KW-ers think it is worth to > buy also the book by Tim Barr. There was an in-depth discussion about the book on this mailing list recently. The debate is still in the mailing list archives at http://www.xmission.com/pub/lists/kraftwerk/archive. Check the archives for late October and early November 1998. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Sellafield 2 (was: Re: (kw) Stop the radioactivity) Date: 09 Mar 1999 23:46:43 +0000 > before play RadioActivity, KW shows a messsage about the danger of > Nuclear Power Plants, More precisely, the message is about the potential future danger of one specific plant, Sellafield 2 in the UK. (And please correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the plans for Sellafield 2 already given up years ago? If so, the continual Kraftwerk warning would appear to be rather silly...) > and the dangerous problem with radioactivity on "enviroment", When Kraftwerk originally issued this message in 1993, BNFL immediately issued a counter-statement, while Kraftwerk themselves have never presented any evidence for the truth of their claims. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Looking for items Date: 09 Mar 1999 23:46:43 +0000 > I am looking for the following items if anyone has them for sale : > > 4) Daft Punk remixes of Kraftwerk (I heard about these somewhere; do > they even exist ? ) No, at least no authorized, officially released remixes. Two years ago it was rumoured that Daft Punk would do remixes of the material from the supposedly forthcoming new Kraftwerk album, but this was either a spoof or the album was withdrawn. > 5) A promo of Techno Pop (I also heard that these go for 400 quid in the > UK) Promo copies of the cancelled "Techno Pop" album do not exist. Assuming that promos would exist, I guess that 4000 UK pounds would be a more realistic price for a copy than 400 pounds, but that's a hypothetical question. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Sellafield 2 (was: Re: (kw) Stop the radioactivity) Date: 09 Mar 1999 18:02:56 -0500 "Klaus Zaepke" wrote: >> before play RadioActivity, KW shows a messsage about the danger of >> Nuclear Power Plants, > >More precisely, the message is about the potential future danger of >one specific plant, Sellafield 2 in the UK. >(And please correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the plans for >Sellafield 2 already given up years ago? If so, the continual >Kraftwerk warning would appear to be rather silly...) Gee, that's very disappointing... I was pretty revved by the Kraftwerk warning at the NYC show... and I'm hardly anti-nuke (though sometimes you don't want to let these incompetent bureaucrats run something hard like a nuke!) anyone got any verification (ie a URL) for the non-immanence of Sellafield 2...? /t # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Garcia" Subject: (kw) techno-pop Date: 10 Mar 1999 00:07:53 +0100 I will re-post my question, as nobody replied. Who, when and where was the term "techno-pop" used for the first time to describe a kind of music? Or at least, can anyone give and aproximate date in which the term was first used? I'd like to hear the opinion from the most literate people on this list. Thanks in advance. Jose Garcia jgc@retemail.es # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) techno-pop Date: 09 Mar 1999 19:09:16 EST In a message dated 3/9/99 3:48:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, jgc@retemail.es writes: << Who, when and where was the term "techno-pop" used for the first time to describe a kind of music? Or at least, can anyone give and aproximate date in which the term was first used? >> I first heard the term right around 1980 when I first got in to Gary Numan and Visage. That is not to say that is when it was first used, but that is when I first heard the term---it might have been late 1979, but more like early 1980. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mdisante@sogei.it Subject: (kw) KW like <> ? Oh no, please !!! Date: 10 Mar 1999 11:43:19 +0100 When i was a very young Techno-music lover, at the beginning of the electro-pop age, a wrong coincidence put me in a classroom full of Neil Young and Simon & Garfunkel's fans (SIGH !!!). Rather than dancing to Yazoo, Human League, Depeche Mode (and , of course, Kraftwerk) in parties (we still used to have <>) they listened to that boring four-vinyl live LP > (or <> ?) that always put me in a state of deep depression. KW have nothing to do with it !!! I don't think they're really interested in giving some kind of strong anti-nuke message ... Synthetic & electronic sounds are their only big trick ... I'm not a Nuclear - Lover but i like to be realistic in matters of energy for the world ... Please, don't hate me .... Cheers Marcello # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) From Dusseldorf to yesterday's future Date: 10 Mar 1999 10:36:36 +0000 Klaus Zaepke wrote: >> I have already the book by Pascal Bussy. Do you KW-ers think it is worth to >> buy also the book by Tim Barr. > >There was an in-depth discussion about the book on this mailing list >recently. The debate is still in the mailing list archives at >http://www.xmission.com/pub/lists/kraftwerk/archive. >Check the archives for late October and early November 1998. If Klaus or anyone can find the time, it might be useful to have this material collected into a webpage or directory for easy reference...? (BTW, I now have the Tim Barr book, but have not yet found time to read it). Klaus Zaepke wrote: >(And please correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the plans for >Sellafield 2 already given up years ago? If so, the continual >Kraftwerk warning would appear to be rather silly...) Yes and yes! This is what comes of buying ice creams instead of newspapers (maybe they eat fish and chips, wrapped in old newspapers - ah no, that's just a British thing). >> and the dangerous problem with radioactivity on "enviroment", > >When Kraftwerk originally issued this message in 1993, BNFL >immediately issued a counter-statement, while Kraftwerk >themselves have never presented any evidence for the truth of their >claims. Do some web searches and you will find plenty of material about the high levels of radioactivity in the Irish Sea, radioactive pigeons and seagulls, safety failures... But if you're referring to all that robotized guff about skin cancers etc. which makes up 'Sellafield 2' I wouldn't even waste time listening to it. Tom Ritchford wrote: >anyone got any verification (ie a URL) for the non-immanence of >Sellafield 2...? This makes a change: when is the new power station coming out? :-) KB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) From Dusseldorf to yesterday's future Date: 10 Mar 1999 13:07:05 +0100 (NFT) > >> I have already the book by Pascal Bussy. Do you KW-ers think it is worth to > >> buy also the book by Tim Barr. > > > >There was an in-depth discussion about the book on this mailing list > >recently. The debate is still in the mailing list archives at > >http://www.xmission.com/pub/lists/kraftwerk/archive. > > If Klaus or anyone can find the time, it might be useful to have this > material collected into a webpage or directory for easy reference...? I've already done such a compilated version of the debate for off-list people a while back. I'll look through it and try to put it online before the end of the week. If I find the time, I will also add some press reviews. > >> and the dangerous problem with radioactivity on "enviroment", > > > >When Kraftwerk originally issued this message in 1993, BNFL > >immediately issued a counter-statement, while Kraftwerk > >themselves have never presented any evidence for the truth of their > >claims. > > Do some web searches and you will find plenty of material about the high > levels of radioactivity in the Irish Sea, radioactive pigeons and seagulls, > safety failures... But if you're referring to all that robotized guff about > skin cancers etc. which makes up 'Sellafield 2' I wouldn't even waste time > listening to it. Yes, of course I was only referring to Kraftwerk's vocoderized propaganda, and not to the complex Sellafield debate on a whole. :-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) Looking for items Date: 10 Mar 1999 09:27:47 -0700 A promo of Techno Pop (I also heard that these go for 400 quid in the >> UK) > >Promo copies of the cancelled "Techno Pop" album do not exist. >Assuming that promos would exist, I guess that 4000 UK pounds would >be a more realistic price for a copy than 400 pounds, but that's a >hypothetical question. > > Klaus Zaepke does any material (any at all, as in anything that can exist) from the non-existant Techno Pop album exist? as has been mentioned before some of it (which, i don't know) was reworked, remade, redone for the Electric Cafe album. so if one was to search for material which could have potentionally been included on the non-existant Techno Pop album, what would one search for? would it also be safe to make the assumption that the Techno Pop album is the rareest album in the world (rareer than Jarre's Music for Supermarkets) because it does not exist, or is album cancellation a common occurance (if not a practice) in the music industry? Since the Techno Pop album was issued a catalog number, but not released does that make it any more rare and special, than it already is? If it's non-existance and the catalog number situation place the Techno Pop album as the rareest album on the planet, where is it's place next to the two identical copies of the Voyager space craft records (whcih were compiled and recorded by Carl Sagan), which are now somewhere near the outer Solar System, hurling into deep recesses of space. Since the Techno Pop album does not exist, but has a catalog number, and the two Voyager records do exist, but somewhere near Pluto, and they are not getting any closer to us, so the price for these records (if they are ever retreived) would be astronomical (no pun intended). The way I look at it in terms of value the Voyager records got everyone beat. I'd imagine if they were sold right now, they would rake in a cool $4 million ($2 mil. per record) and this is near Pluto mind you. And i have to say that Jarre's record was at least a socio-economical statement, where as Techno Pop was, not very good. I don't think it's the rareest record in the world, even if it doesn't exist, although, it has quite the catalog number, which a lot of other records would be mighty jealous of. back to you all, lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Damir Hlobik Subject: (kw) xxx Date: 10 Mar 1999 15:30:22 +0100 hi, please, can anybody send me e-mail or actual address of shop selling kw bootlegs. thank you. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Stop the radioactivity Date: 10 Mar 1999 15:59:40 +0100 >>Ukraine returned last sunday to put into operation the third reactor of >>the nuclear power station of Tchernobil. >>STOP THE RADIOACTIVITY! >Ukraine is very poor country, and it suffers from constant blackouts. It >has no money to bulid ordinary power stations with neccessary power, so I think >I could understand their point. I didn't mean Ukraine was the guilty. I understand its position. I wonder myself why more is not investigated on the cold fusion, instead of investing more money in the nuclear fission. BTW, I thought Kraftwerk spread their anti-radioactivity message in 1981 for the first time. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) From Dusseldorf to yesterday's future Date: 10 Mar 1999 16:19:36 -0000 >>anyone got any verification (ie a URL) for the non-immanence of >>Sellafield 2...? > >This makes a change: when is the new power station coming out? :-) > >KB Kevin, I rang HMV to check on this, and naturally, they didn't have a clue what I was talking about . ;-) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: (kw) Stop the radioactivity Date: 10 Mar 1999 12:33:47 -0500 >I didn't mean Ukraine was the guilty. I understand its position. I wonder >myself why more is not investigated on the cold fusion, instead of investing >more money in the nuclear fission. The trouble is that no one was able to reproduce the initial results... and then the two scientists involved stopped publishing and kinda recanted in a very non-commital way. The Japanese (who have continuing energy troubles always) dropped a lot of money on it but gave it up finally last year after having no real results. Pity, it seemed plausible for a while! /t # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Colatina Radio Som Ltda <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) Videos and CD-rs for SALE or trade Date: 10 Mar 1999 19:18:40 -0300 Hi Werkers. I have videos and CD-rs for sale or SWAP (I want CDs of Tangerine Dream/Cyclone, Ricochet) My short list here is: LIVE CDs KRAFTWERK: Computers in Love (double CD, Paris 1981) Karlshue (double CD, 1997) Live at Detroit (double CD, 1998 - includes two new songs !!) Virtu ex Machina (Japan, 1981) Live at Brighton (1975, old age of Kraftwerk - Ruckzack, Autobahn, Tansmusic...) VIDEOS The same tracks, at different places (Numbers, CW, Tour de France, Autobahn, Musique non stop...) Live at England, Italy, USA, Holland. COMPILATION - clips, interviews (with Ralf Hutter !!) and excerpts of tvs. If you are interested in buy or swap by others itens, please, contact me privately. Thanks !!! P.S. Ah !! I have, too, nice pictures of the show at Free Jazz Festival (Rio de Janeiro, october/98) Eduardo Monteiro # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JMJ Fanklubb Norge" Subject: SV: (kw) Looking for items Date: 10 Mar 1999 18:18:03 +0100 Lenny G wrote: >would it also be safe to make the assumption that the Techno Pop >album is the rareest album in the world (rareer than Jarre's Music for >Supermarkets) because it does not exist,=20 Obviously, if Techno Pop does not exist, it cannot be "rare", thus = making Music for Supermarkets still the most rare record (along with = other one-off albums). An album which is only a rumour in the minds of = the fans cannot be rare (this is assuming the album does not exist). >or is album cancellation a common >occurance (if not a practice) in the music industry? =20 Yes, it is more common than many ppl think. Probably the most famous = example is Prince's The Black Album (which was commercially released = after several years).=20 >where is it's place next to the two identical copies of the >Voyager space craft records (whcih were compiled and recorded by Carl >Sagan), which are now somewhere near the outer Solar System, hurling = into >deep recesses of space. =20 Easy, since the two Voyager albums exist in 2 copies, then any 1-copy = album would be more rare. The location of the copies does not determine = the degree of rareness, does it? Assuming Techno Pop never got into = actual manufacturing (I might be wrong about that) the Voyager albums = are theoretically more available than something that doesnt exist. Jarre forever! Glenn Folkvord Jean-Michel Jarre Fanklubb Norge Lundgard, 2032 Maura (Norway) Mail to glenn@jmjfkn.com Surf to www.jmjfkn.com Organiser of the international JMJ tribute album Publisher of IMAGES magazine since 1993 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) techno-pop Date: 11 Mar 1999 15:48:41 +0100 J.Garcia wrote: >Who, when and where was the term "techno-pop" used for the first >time to describe a kind of music? >Or at least, can anyone give and aproximate date in which the term >was first used? Since techno means art in Greek and pop it is the abbreviation for popular, I deduce that techno pop means popular art, and the first time that these words were used could long ago be. ;-) DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mdisante@sogei.it Subject: (kw) Techno Pop And Greek Date: 12 Mar 1999 08:13:28 +0100 Der AUtomat wrote: Since techno means art in Greek and pop it is the abbreviation for = popular, I deduce that techno pop means popular art, and the first time that these words were used could long ago be. ; It could be OK, but it's almost obvious that <> comes from the (shortened) word <> and pop implies the word <>, so that <> get the meaning that everyone refers to ... You could say that recording sounds & melodies in some <>, from vinyl to Cd, Dat, mini-disc and so on requires some kind of Technology so that Techno-pop actually started a lot of decades ago ... (maybe one century ?). . . Let's think about Techno-pop as popular music basically composed and performed by modern electronic instruments (i.e. , synthesizers and all their <>); i noticed this term for the first time in 1979, just reading something about Kw ... so the ring is closed !!! Best regards to everyone Marcello # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Orbit Date: 12 Mar 1999 11:42:57 +0100 (CET) On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:41:08 -0700 (MST), Soleil Lapierre wrote: > > >I just grabbed the RA-Orbit mix from Bonald's page (thanks, BTW!), and I'm >wondering where it came from. I encountered this in RealMovie format last >year and I just love it. I want to buy the album it's on, but I've never >seen it named. Anyone know? I'm not sure but I think the Orbit mixes were available on the Radio-activity 1991 CD-single. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) MIME-version: 1.0 Date: 12 Mar 1999 14:22:34 +0100 Hello List I've put up a new desktop-picture on my pages at: http://members=2Etripod=2Ecom/~KlingKlang/index=2Ehtml This time I made one on the Radioactivity-theme Just click the link at the bottom called: GOTO RADIOACTIVITY:=20 =2E=2E=2Eand like it=2E=2E=2E Regards/Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Raistrick Subject: (kw) electronicplanetributetechno Date: 12 Mar 1999 14:18:31 -0000 there is an article in april's uncut magazine about electronic in which bernard sumner talks about karl bartos' collaboration with the band.he refers to a song called flicker from their new album ,partly inspired, it seems,by some of karl's comments about being in kraftwerk. according to sumner, "Karl said that Kraftwerk used to take negative comments that people made about them and write songs about them.He said they once read a review which said they looked like showroom dummies onstage, so they wrote "Showroom Dummies." And Ralf or Florian was coming onto a girl once and she said,'Who do you think you are? You're treating me like a sex object'." this, to me is the most interesting thing i've read about them for a long time though whether it is true or not remains to be seen.perhaps it is karl's sense of humour.klaus, can you help? while we're on the subject,there is a 1992 reissue of 7 mixes of planet rock on 2x12". it includes what is described as a classic mix by elektric music[ with some identifiable kw sounds on ]lasting 9:16.the sleeve says special thanks to kraftwerk amongst others though doesn't list them in the songwriting credits. mantronik has a new album called i sing the body electric in which, according to him, "there is a tribute to kraftwerk". i think the word technopop is being given more importance on this list than it should be.unlike techno , it is simply a term of description rather than a movement.and why does everyone get so excited about the nonexistent album technopop? didn't it simply evolve into electric cafe? chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: (kw) kw Date: 12 Mar 1999 11:18:44 the other night on american MTV group ORGY were talking about their influnces, and among New Order, David Bowie, and others mentioned Kraftwerk. a short clip of The Model video followed with audio muted. I think ORGY have a long way to go to even claim influence by Kraftwerk. in other things, I have two questions, and i read the FAQ and if i missed the answers please accept my apologies. 1. i was listening to two different KW bootlegs "Numbers" and "Virtu Ex Machina". and realized that the two are the same concert. they are both from tokyo japan sep 7. 1981. can anyone please explain or confirm why these two official bootlegs have the same concert. 2. on "Virtu Ex Machina" there is an extra track (track 1) which i know 100% that it is not by Kraftwerk. it seems to be part of the concert because the next track blends into this one. on the cd it is called "Beethoven/Intro", when in fact it is "March from A Clockwork Orange" movie soundtrack (Beethoven's 9th Symphony: 4th Movement, Abridged) performed by Wendy Carlos in 1972. i have three different LP/CD releases documenting that track as the Wendy Carlos track, so it's not Kraftwerk, but why is it on the bootleg, and more importantly, why did Kraftwerk use that track to start their concert in Tokyo, if not elsewhere. thank you, lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Stann Subject: RE: (kw) electronicplanetributetechno Date: 12 Mar 1999 10:25:36 -0600 > mantronik has a new album called i sing the body electric in which, > according to him, "there is a tribute to kraftwerk". I found this cool song somewhere on the web. I lost the URL by I posted = the song at = http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1381/sound/km_oe.zip It is by MANTRONIX and features KRAFTWERK samples throughout. Perhaps = it is from their upcoming album. Be sure to rename from .ZIP to .MP3, = Do not uncompress, it won't work. =20 Elekroniczna Muzyka wzbogaca jezyka # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: (kw) New kw record (?) Date: 12 Mar 1999 17:51:02 +0100 Today I found a "Best of" by Kraftwerk (JAPANESE EXCLUSIVE RELEASE) at MusicBoulevard (http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/0220973065921256707_43_428694). It's release-date is 1999-03-04. There was a discussion some months ago about a best-of record - this might be it. Tracks: 1. Geiger Counter 2. Radioactivity 3. Antenna 4. Europe Endless 5. Showroom Dummies 6. Trans-Europe Express 7. Robots 8. Model 9. Man Machine /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: (kw) New kw record (?) Date: 12 Mar 1999 12:46:00 -0500 >1. Geiger Counter >2. Radioactivity >3. Antenna >4. Europe Endless >5. Showroom Dummies >6. Trans-Europe Express >7. Robots >8. Model >9. Man Machine What a weird track selection... nothing from Autobahn, which has GOTTA be their most famous album... nothing from Electric Cafe either... No reason for kw fans to get it... I mean, even a CD version of "Tour de France" would be worth it but no! And for the record, "Showroom Dummies" is only slightly better than "The Model" and they're both dreadful... IMHO... /t # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent.Pendleton@choicepointinc.com Subject: (kw) [kw] Techno Pop Date: 12 Mar 1999 13:12:38 -0500 Check this out: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/x.exe?p=amg&sql=A42632 Strange that this non-album should have a listing. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mċns Sjöstrand Subject: Re: (kw) New kw record (?) Date: 12 Mar 1999 20:00:12 +0100 Svensson, Joakim wrote: >=20 > Today I found a "Best of" by Kraftwerk (JAPANESE EXCLUSIVE RELEASE) at > MusicBoulevard > (http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/0220973065921256707_43_428694). It= 's > release-date is 1999-03-04. There was a discussion some months ago abou= t a > best-of record - this might be it. >=20 > Tracks: > 1. Geiger Counter > 2. Radioactivity > 3. Antenna > 4. Europe Endless > 5. Showroom Dummies > 6. Trans-Europe Express > 7. Robots > 8. Model > 9. Man Machine >=20 I think this it just a re-release. I found this japanese record in a shop here in Sweden some years ago. It included exactly the same tracks. Only diffrence was the artwork, that one had an airship on the cover. This record has also been avaible on www.hotstuff.com a while. - M=E5ns Sj=F6strand # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Schefflan Subject: Re: (kw) electronicplanetributetechno Date: 12 Mar 1999 14:55:58 -0500 >>> Mantronik has a new album called i sing the body electric in which, according to him, "there is a tribute to kraftwerk." <<< >>> It is by MANTRONIX and features KRAFTWERK samples throughout. Perhaps it is from their upcoming album. Be sure to rename from .ZIP to .MP3, Do not uncompress, it won't work. <<< TO clear up for the uninitiated, Mantronik is the man, Kurtis Mantronik (yes, that's really his middle name) Khaleel. Mantronix is the group, with MC Tee or Bryce Luvah (now of Groove Theory), and hasn't been active since 1991. Mantronik's new album is called "I Sing the Body Electro," which is on Oxygen Music Works in the USA. All Clear? Peace. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Carlos Corchado Subject: (kw) Origin of the name "techno pop"? Date: 12 Mar 1999 19:45:43 +0100 (CET) Hi, I just read in a magazine published by "Tipo" (a spanish music store) that the term "techno pop" was invented by the spanish band Aviador Dro and later taken by their beloved band Kraftwerk. I don't know how reliable is this information, but for those unlucky werkers that don't know Aviador Dro, I would say it is a pretty plausible thing. Aviador Dro is one of the most influential, original and creative bands of the spanish pop. If you are interested, I can post the whole article. It basically talks about Aviador Dro's forthcoming greatest hits album. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) electronicplanetributetechno Date: 12 Mar 1999 22:46:17 +0000 > according to sumner, "Karl said that Kraftwerk used to take negative > comments that people made about them and write songs about them.He said they > once read a review which said they looked like showroom dummies onstage, so > they wrote "Showroom Dummies." > And Ralf or Florian was coming onto a girl once and she said,'Who do you > think you are? You're treating me like a sex object'." > this, to me is the most interesting thing i've read about them for a long > time though whether it is true or not remains to be seen.perhaps it is > karl's sense of humour.klaus, can you help? Yes, at least the "Showroom Dummies" part of the story seems to be true, since there is indeed a press review from 1975 where Kraftwerk are compared to showroom dummies. Unsurprisingly, I can't comment on the "Sex Object" part of the story. ;-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Bootlegs (was: Re: (kw) kw) Date: 12 Mar 1999 22:46:17 +0000 > 1. i was listening to two different KW bootlegs "Numbers" and "Virtu Ex > Machina". and realized that the two are the same concert. they are both > from tokyo japan sep 7. 1981. can anyone please explain or confirm why > these two official bootlegs These CD's are indeed bootlegs, but not official. "Official bootleg" is in fact an oxymoron. > have the same concert. To make collectors buy the same recording twice. > 2. on "Virtu Ex Machina" there is an extra track (track 1) which i know > 100% that it is not by Kraftwerk. it seems to be part of the concert > because the next track blends into this one. on the cd it is called > "Beethoven/Intro", when in fact it is "March from A Clockwork Orange" movie > soundtrack (Beethoven's 9th Symphony: 4th Movement, Abridged) performed by > Wendy Carlos in 1972. i have three different LP/CD releases documenting > that track as the Wendy Carlos track, so it's not Kraftwerk, but why is it > on the bootleg, To make people think that this is a rare Kraftwerk track, so that they buy the CD. > and more importantly, why did Kraftwerk use that track to > start their concert in Tokyo, if not elsewhere. They've never actually used it, neither in Tokyo nor elsewhere. It's a bootlegger's cheat. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thomas m weibrecht Subject: Re: (kw) kw Date: 12 Mar 1999 16:28:05 -0500 On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:18:44 47 <47@radiolink.net> writes: > >1. i was listening to two different KW bootlegs "Numbers" and "Virtu >Ex >Machina". and realized that the two are the same concert. they are >both >from tokyo japan sep 7. 1981. can anyone please explain or confirm >why >these two official bootlegs have the same concert. > because people love to spend money on bootlegs.... tom w np: hi-fi dub session chapter 1 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) Radio Nova Jingle Date: 13 Mar 1999 09:25:50 +0100 Hi ! In Bussy's book is written, that KRAFTWERK produced a jingle for the French Radio Station "Radio Nova" with the robot-voice singing "Ra-di-o No-va cent-un-cinq". Has anybody taped that once ? Ciao Gub # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Electric Music: "Sunshine" Single Date: 13 Mar 1999 11:39:15 +0100 (NFT) Details for the "Sunshine" CD single by Electric Music: Catalogue number: SPV CDS 055-62113 Tracklisting: 1. Sunshine (Single Mix) 3:46" 2. Sunshine (Electro Mix) 5:21" 3. Sunshine (Dream Mix) 4:07" 4. Sunshine (Acoustic Mix) 3:44" 5. Sunshine (Reprise) 3:23" Despite SPV's statement that this single was only produced for promotional purposes, it looks like a normal release (normal catalogue number etc.). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) techno-pop Date: 13 Mar 1999 12:05:38 +0100 >J.Garcia wrote: > >>Who, when and where was the term "techno-pop" used for the first >>time to describe a kind of music? >>Or at least, can anyone give and aproximate date in which the term >>was first used? According to Servando Carballar (from Spanish band El Aviador Dro y sus Obreros Especializados) "the first time that appeared form that term was in a record of us". The song "Be Brave" by Model 500 (aka Juan Atkins, a feverish fan of Kraftwerk) has been remixed by Francoise Kevorkian. It has been included two tracks by Stockhausen, "Oktophonie" and "Dienstag aus Licht" (exclusive version), in a CD that it's given with the compilation Electronic Lust double CD Also Stockhausen has remixed a song of the band Celluloid Mata that is included in the CD "Mix Oscillations" (Noise Museum). DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Radio Nova Jingle Date: 13 Mar 1999 12:33:13 +0100 (CET) On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:25:50 +0100, Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de wrote: > >Hi ! > >In Bussy's book is written, that KRAFTWERK produced a jingle for the French >Radio Station "Radio Nova" with the robot-voice singing "Ra-di-o No-va >cent-un-cinq". Has anybody taped that once ? Yes, I just asked this question in a french newsgroup about radio but I didn't get any reply. I may eventually contact Radio Nova directely. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Morgan" Subject: (kw) kraftwerk the rarest CD Date: 12 Mar 1999 11:28:14 -0000 i think that if the technopop album is non existant then it can not be rare ( meaning scarce existance) and as for the voyager CD being the rarest album in the world .. well if is about pluto at present then it quite simply is not ON this world. so I guess Jarre wins with his boring whiny synth preset "Music for supermarkets" ... however if were to include bootlegs....well thats a different matter.....and what if technopop really exists.....the race might still be on..... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) From Dusseldorf to yesterday's future Date: 13 Mar 1999 21:33:35 +0000 >>> I have already the book by Pascal Bussy. Do you KW-ers think it >>> is worth to buy also the book by Tim Barr. >> >> There was an in-depth discussion about the book on this mailing >> list recently. The debate is still in the mailing list archives >> at http://www.xmission.com/pub/lists/kraftwerk/archive. > > If Klaus or anyone can find the time, it might be useful to have > this material collected into a webpage or directory for easy > reference...? It's now online. The URL is http://home.t-online.de/home/Zaepke/barrbook.htm I've also added a scan of the book review from The Wire, September 1998. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) New Dinger Interviews Date: 13 Mar 1999 23:25:58 +0000 Two new interviews with Klaus Dinger can be found at http://www.gawl.de/Dingerland/marc_int.html (German language) and http://www.gawl.de/Dingerland/klem_int.html (Dutch language). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Yamo News Date: 14 Mar 1999 00:15:15 +0000 The Yamo information service "W.E.P. Promotions" (P. O. Box 115, Blackpool, Lancs., England) has issued a new mailout, containing a newssheet (no real news for members of this list, though), a collection of "voices from the press" about the "Time Pie" album, and some excerpts from recent Wolfgang Fluer press interviews. It is also mentioned that a list of known Yamo collectables can be requested from W.E.P. Promotions. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk the rarest CD Date: 14 Mar 1999 11:48:11 EST Let's face it... if Technopop existed, we'd all have a copy. Bits of it exist, but whose to say whether it ever got beyond a few demos ? The fact that it "even got as far as having its own catalogue number" means very little. Any band with a 3 album deal could be given 3 catalogue numbers by any record number and could split up the next day. Technopop is a myth. That's why we like it. >8^D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lrk@ik2000.se Subject: (kw) song versions Date: 14 Mar 1999 17:02:00 +0000 Hi! Does anyone know where to find a list of all official KW mixes and versions on the net? I.e. not a list of all records, but of all edits, mixes, etc. /Marcus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TiMeZeRo Subject: (kw) Questions Date: 12 Mar 1999 21:23:23 +0100 Does anybody know where i can download kraftwerk music videos in Realpalyer format or Quicktime/avi format? I also want some oldoes like Ralf undFLorian kraftwerk1 kraftwerk2 mp3s, i will be gladfull if anybody send links to me ther i can find it. Daniel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TiMeZeRo Subject: (kw) Ralf und Florian / Exceller 8 On sale! Date: 13 Mar 1999 02:17:00 +0100 YES... EXCELLER 8 AND RALF UND FLORIAN VINYLES CAN BE BROUGHT AT HTTP://WWW.VINYLRECORDS.CO.UK FOR (EXCELLER 8)=20 RECORD =A325.00 POSTAGE =A36.00 =20 CC CHARGE =A31.00 TOTAL TO PAY =A332.00 Ralf und florian RECORD =A330.00 POSTAGE =A36.00 =20 CC Charge =A31.00 =20 TOTAL TO PAY =A337.00 =20 Just type kraftwerk in the search field, you can alsom buy som eauthobahn vinyls and alot more oldies from other artists, not so much synth just =3D( I also got some musicvideos from kraftwerk i Realplayer foramt after day of searching... Lets see the url... %#!?%!! I lost it... But i will mail it when i fond it... I also have found a pretty good kraftwerk page with alot news...=20 "http://petenet.dragonfire.net/kw/" Check it out... Well.. Thats it. If someone else knowes a site of kraftwerks videos to download, or oldies ond sale send a mail =3D) Daniel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) kw Date: 15 Mar 1999 14:00:52 +0100 >the other night on american MTV group ORGY were talking about their >influnces, and among New Order, David Bowie, and others mentioned >Kraftwerk. a short clip of The Model video followed with audio muted. I >think ORGY have a long way to go to even claim influence by Kraftwerk. Could you be so kind to tell me more details about this band? Where country do they come from? TIA. >1. i was listening to two different KW bootlegs "Numbers" and "Virtu Ex >Machina". and realized that the two are the same concert. they are both >from tokyo japan sep 7. 1981. can anyone please explain or confirm why >these two official bootlegs have the same concert. There are another two bootlegs which are the same recording as first appeared on 'Numbers', the title is 'Nippon Numbers' and 'Dentaku World'. And there's also a re-issue of the 'Numbers' bootleg. The reason why there are at least four bootlegs of the same concert I don't know but there are also several examples of KW's bootlegs: 'Duesseldorf Philipshalle 31.10.91' is exactly the same as the 'Rebuit in 92' CD. 'The Elite Recordings' is exactly the same as 'The First DJ Edition'. 'Exclusive Remixes' and 'Robotronik Uebermensch' are basically another repackaging of the earlier 'Man Machine Recreated' remixes bootleg CD. 'Live in Ludwigsburg 1997' is a repackaging of the 'ZKM' bootleg. 'Live 1981 Computer World Tour Vol.1' and 'Vol.2' are mastered from the 'Tbon Pabothnk' vinyl bootleg LP. 'Computersinfonien' contains the '1997 ZKM' show with four additional DJ remixes tracks. 'Brain to Midi', 'Lebendige Menschen', 'Tribal Gathering Live In Concert 1997' and 'Tribal Radio Phonics' feature the BBC Radio 1FM live broadcast from TG. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick Hansen" Subject: Re: (kw) kw Date: 15 Mar 1999 07:54:48 -0800 >Could you be so kind to tell me more details about this band? Where country >do they come from? TIA. yuck, as a college student in america i can honestly say i have been force fed this band i don't even listen to the radio anymore!!! Anyways Orgy was the first band to be signed to the new label that one of the guys from Korn started up. They have semi-descent programing abilities, no good guitar work, and marylin manson-esq vocals (well not even that good). They are basically a bad marlyin manson rip off (that is assuming that you this marlyin manson is good. I'm not usually one to rip so harshly on bands, especially ones that have such great influences as kraftwerk, new order and bowie, but orgy has done something that i can never forgive them for, they covered New Order's Blue Monday. They have ruined one of my favorite New Order songs. shame on them : ) anyways, if your into pop-industrial-glam-mtv-dissonant-dance type of music there is a possibility that you just might like it. I don't like them, but then again my tastes aren't everyones tastes. -Nick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nebulous@erols.com Subject: (kw) Re: kw Date: 15 Mar 1999 12:21:25 "lenny g" 47 <47@radiolink.net> wrote: >1. i was listening to two different KW bootlegs "Numbers" >and "Virtu Ex Machina". and realized that the two are the >same concert. they are both from tokyo japan sep 7. 1981. >can anyone please explain or confirm why these two official >bootlegs have the same concert. Just for the record, there's also a third bootleg that I know of from this same Japanese concert which surfaced, titled "Dentaku World". The front cover contains the image from the inner sleeve of 'The Man-Machine' of KW standing in alignment on the staircase facing at 90 degrees to the right, supplemented by some additional hypnotic & psychedelic graphics. The track listing is the same as on the "Numbers" bootleg. -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Man Machine Subject: (kw) "Kraftwerk 1" mp3s? Date: 15 Mar 1999 17:31:29 EST >Subject: (kw) Questions = > >Does anybody know where i can download kraftwerk music videos in Realpal= yer = >format or Quicktime/avi format? = >I also want some oldoes like Ralf undFLorian kraftwerk1 kraftwerk2 mp3s,= i = >will be gladfull if anybody send links to me ther i can find it. = > >Daniel Check this URL: http://www.isolation.la.ca.us/kraftwerk/ But i'm still looking "Kraftwerk 1" mp3s!!! If anyone wants to trade... The Man Machine ICQ: 12449637 Brazil ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Garcia" Subject: (kw) Re: Origin of the name "techno pop"? Date: 16 Mar 1999 00:26:06 +0100 > From: Jose Carlos Corchado > > I just read in a magazine published by "Tipo" (a spanish music store) that > the term "techno pop" was invented by the spanish band Aviador Dro and > later taken by their beloved band Kraftwerk. I don't know how reliable is That's why I originally posted my question, to see if anybody had any initial date of the term being used. Aviador Dro afirm they invented that term in late 1979. By the way, their new CD has two very very Kraftwerk-ish songs. > this information, but for those unlucky werkers that don't know Aviador > Dro, I would say it is a pretty plausible thing. Aviador Dro is one of the > most influential, original and creative bands of the spanish pop. > > If you are interested, I can post the whole article. It basically talks > about Aviador Dro's forthcoming greatest hits album. You can visit my page for more information about Aviador Dro, although the version in English is not up to date. The Spanish version is much more truth-to-the-facts. Pagina no Oficial del Aviador Dro: Unofficial Aviador Dro Home Page: http://personal5.iddeo.es/ret007en/aviador/ http://fly.to/aviador jgc@retemail.es # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) News on my MP3 page : http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald/audio/mp3.htm Date: 16 Mar 1999 17:47:15 +0100 (CET) Hi, Only three tracks this week, but there are long : Kraftwerk Computerwelt 12" remix le Mini Calculateur Sex Object (in spanish) Enjoy!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Pitt" Subject: (kw) Tour De Kraft update Date: 16 Mar 1999 20:25:41 -0000 MP3's from the 1981 tour, this time from the 'Computers In Love' bootleg. Numbers Computerworld The Cover version is 'The Robots' done by Balanescu Quartet in their last appearance on this site. Mike. Kraftwerk Live 1981 and Cover Versions. http://website.lineone.net/~mike.pitt/tdk.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Godfrey" Subject: Re: Sellafield 2 (was: Re: (kw) Stop the radioactivity) Date: 17 Mar 1999 07:01:48 PST >> before play RadioActivity, KW shows a messsage about the danger of >> Nuclear Power Plants, > More precisely, the message is about the potential future danger of > one specific plant, Sellafield 2 in the UK. > (And please correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the plans for > Sellafield 2 already given up years ago? If so, the continual > Kraftwerk warning would appear to be rather silly...) >> and the dangerous problem with radioactivity on "enviroment", > When Kraftwerk originally issued this message in 1993, BNFL > immediately issued a counter-statement, while Kraftwerk > themselves have never presented any evidence for the truth of their > claims. I saw a few of the Mix concerts in 1991 and the intro to the live version of "Radioactivity" was not included then. It was added in (I think) 1992 for Kraftwerk's performance at a one-off "Stop Sellafield" concert, along with U2. It was also included when KW played a warm-up gig prior to the Sellafield concert, at Leicester Polytechnic. As far as I know (not 100% sure of the facts so check yourself)... Sellafield 2 was finally renamed "Thorp" when it went live, and is actually a nuclear reprocessing plant. It was built to step-up the amount of nuclear reprocessing that Sellafield could handle (including waste from other countries). Re-naming happens occasionally, usually after a severe disaster or intense negative attention from the press. Sellafield used to be called "Windscale". There was a disaster there in 1957. I remember as a child in the late 70's that in the media, Windscale always had comic but rather sinister associatins with walking fish on the surrounding beaches, three headed cows, etc. Check out the following sites for more up-to-date information: British Nuclear Fuels Ltd http://www.bnfl.co.uk Responsible for Sellafield, Thorp, and nuclear power in general in the UK. Really nice animation on the home page. As a positive PR exercise, BNFL have spent loadsamoney on their visitors centre at Sellafield. Mark Thomas Comedy Product http://www.fnord.demon.co.uk/markt.html Mark Thomas has a TV programme in the UK, through which he explores topics that certain people would rather have swept under the carpet. You'll be greeted with a rather iffy but amusing version of "Anarchy in the UK". Click on the "Radioactivity" symbol for info on one particularly relevant episodes of his programme. You'll then get a housed-up version of KW "Radioactivity" playing in the background. There are loads more relevant links at the bottom of Mark's page. The Virtual Nuclear Tourist http://www.cannon.net/~gonyeau/nuclear/ More specific information on the Windscale incident is given at http://www.cannon.net/~gonyeau/nuclear/windscal.htm Article on the Windscale disaster, Scottish CND magazine http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/parade/aa226/magazine/nfs978m.htm Dual Capable Nuclear Technology report from Greenpeace http://www.greenpeace.org/~comms/nukes/nukes.html DISCLAIMER! Please note that I DO NOT want to start any political flame wars on this list. I have given all the relevant info I know of. I only came across the links mentioned above through trying to find out a little more for myself. I've looked for sites with positive messages about Sellafield, but the BNFL one was the only one I could find. Whether nuclear energy, weapons, reprocessing or by-products associated with each of these is a good or bad thing, or who is full of hype or who is full of s**t is your own opinion. I hope I've not gone too far off-topic. I just felt that from the amount of messages regarding this topic that have been cropping up on the list, some members might find this of interest. The Mark Thomas page is definitely worth a look if not for a laugh, then for the Radioactivity midi file that plays in the background. Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark reed Subject: Re: Sellafield 2 (was: Re: (kw) Stop the radioactivity) Date: 16 Mar 1999 22:42:43 +0000 >I saw a few of the Mix concerts in 1991 and the intro to the live >version of "Radioactivity" was not included then. It was added in (I >think) 1992 for Kraftwerk's performance at a one-off "Stop Sellafield" >concert, along with U2. It was also included when KW played a warm-up >gig prior to the Sellafield concert, at Leicester Polytechnic. Unfortunately it wasn't. I was there and this intro, whilst having been recorded and broadcast on MTV by then, was not used to preceded the show. -- mark reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: weldelectronica@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: (kw)posters for SALE or trade?? Date: 17 Mar 1999 20:19:08 -0400 hi just lost out on some kraftwerk japan98 posters on ebay. anyone else have 1 for sale??? its for a present for a great friend. weld # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Storey" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk special on JJJ (Australia Only) Date: 18 Mar 1999 21:43:49 -0500 Hi Kraftwerkers! I just found out there is a Kraftwerk special on JJJ tonight at 10pm. If you miss it don't worry I'll be making a copy of it, contact me if you would like a copy. Chris jmjarre@dynamite.com.au # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peeters Ivo" Subject: (kw) New 12"? Date: 18 Mar 1999 19:32:08 +0100 The Belgian online shop Frontstage (www.frontstage.com) lists 4 new 12" released by Kraftwerk. Trans Europe Express and Numbers, both released on 3 Feb. 1999. It's more fun to compute and Musique non stop, both released on 15 March 1999 Anybody has more info on these? Ivo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Godfrey" Subject: Re: Sellafield 2 (was: Re: (kw) Stop the radioactivity) Date: 18 Mar 1999 08:37:43 PST mark reed wrote... >>I saw a few of the Mix concerts in 1991 and the intro to the live >>version of "Radioactivity" was not included then. It was added in (I >>think) 1992 for Kraftwerk's performance at a one-off "Stop Sellafield" >>concert, along with U2. It was also included when KW played a warm-up >>gig prior to the Sellafield concert, at Leicester Polytechnic. >Unfortunately it wasn't. I was there and this intro, whilst having been >recorded and broadcast on MTV by then, was not used to preceded the >show. I used to have a recording of the Leicester gig and was sure it was played before RA there. My apologies. My memory is not what it, erm... Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Storey" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Special on JJJ if interested please read! Date: 19 Mar 1999 12:23:24 -0500 Hi Werkers! Thanks for all your inquiries on the Kraftwerk special, some were under the impression it was a TV special, but in fact it was a radio special. It went for 3 hours and they played some rare Kraftwerk items, fans phoned in with their comments including the author of a KW book from the UK. There was also comments from members of Kraftwerk, but they where spoken in a computer voice. Over all a very entertaining show! If you would like a copy of the 3 hour show I can copy it onto a 3 hour VHS tape (Audio only, stereo) (PAL only) , minidisc (3 x MD's) or cassette 2 x 90mins. In exchange I would like anything you have on video of Kraftwerk or send 1 x 74min Minidisc if you live in Australia or 3 Minidiscs any other part of the world, or six MD's if you would like the special recorded on Minidisc. This should cover my costs for postage etc. If you are still interested in getting a copy please e-mail me at jmjarre@dynamite.com.au and I will give you my postal address. Cheers Chris jmjarre@dynamite.com.au P.S. Owners of Minidisc recorders, please contact me if you'd be interested in a MD exchange, where I send you a MD of various electronic music in exchange for one back from you. Bye..... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: SV: (kw) New 12"? Date: 19 Mar 1999 06:31:08 +0100 >=20 > The Belgian online shop Frontstage (www.frontstage.com) lists 4 new = 12" > released by Kraftwerk. >=20 > Trans Europe Express and Numbers, both released on 3 Feb. 1999. > It's more fun to compute and Musique non stop, both released on 15 = March > 1999 >=20 > Anybody has more info on these? >=20 > Ivo >=20 Hi! Hmm... These are probably the same ones that were issued by EMI as=20 promo 12" in a box. And they are almost certain bootlegs. If I remember it right, they were promoting the "remastered" CD=B4s that = were supposed to be issued in 96 or 97. We=B4re still waiting.... /Uffe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Damir Hlobik Subject: (kw) xxx Date: 19 Mar 1999 09:03:42 +0100 hi KWs, does anybody konw what's happened with site containing early KW albums (isolation.la.ca.us)? i have a problem because i didn't unload whole 1st song from tone float. can anybody help me , please? thank you. damir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Morgan" Subject: (kw) ..and now for something completely different... Date: 19 Mar 1999 11:34:17 -0000 well the postings have been really dull recently. and who can blame it. No real news for ages,recycled thoughts arguments and noevidence that any new kraftwerk material is going to released. OK time to makelife slightly more bearable. i have a copy of a most most most ecellent kraftwerk remix, which i have never heard mention of in these postings. To be honest i have had it for a few years but lost it amid my huge collection of cd's. its called Don werk by phat headz III. It is a punchy dance remix composed entirly from kraftwerk samples with nothing added !! . basically its best thought of a remix of numbers but to be honest somehow I think it is even better than the original. It it very cool and certainly better than ANY of the dire efforts on most of the bootlegs cd's that float around. It was released only to DJ's ( as far as i know) as a promo in 1996 130BPM . well. I will convert it to MP3. and email it out to everyone who wants a copy. however... please reply within the next week as the file is going to be about 4mb so i only want to mail it out once. also please agree not to copy it etc. ps if you were one of the people who i sent the marc et claude track to who did not even bother to say thanks then please dont bother to ask for a copy of this. politness costs nothing # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: Sellafield 2 (was: Re: (kw) Stop the radioactivity) Date: 19 Mar 1999 14:43:40 +0000 Simon Godfrey wrote: >http://www.bnfl.co.uk >Responsible for Sellafield, Thorp, and nuclear power in general in the >UK. Really nice animation on the home page. A friend of mine was part of the team which did that (the giant magnifying glass etc.?). I suggested he put in an animation of radioactive pigons but he declined. Of course they may have changed the site since then; it doesn't work on my browser. But I am sure there are no bugs whatsoever inside the computer systems of T.H.O.R.P. or Sellafield. ... but I've suggested to Cumbrian friends that they might wish to go on holiday to another part of the country just before 1st Jan 2000. KB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Re: Sellafield 2 Date: 20 Mar 1999 15:38:55 +0000 > >I saw a few of the Mix concerts in 1991 and the intro to the live > >version of "Radioactivity" was not included then. It was added in (I > >think) 1992 for Kraftwerk's performance at a one-off "Stop Sellafield" > >concert, along with U2. It was also included when KW played a warm-up > >gig prior to the Sellafield concert, at Leicester Polytechnic. > > Unfortunately it wasn't. I was there and this intro, whilst having been > recorded and broadcast on MTV by then, was not used to preceded the > show. I thought that the MTV broadcast was in May or June 1993, one year after the "Stop Sellafield" concert? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: SV: (kw) New 12"? Date: 20 Mar 1999 15:38:55 +0000 > > The Belgian online shop Frontstage (www.frontstage.com) lists 4 new 12= " > > released by Kraftwerk. > > Trans Europe Express and Numbers, both released on 3 Feb. 1999. > > It's more fun to compute and Musique non stop, both released on 15 Mar= ch > > 1999 > > Anybody has more info on these? > > These are probably the same ones that were issued by EMI as > promo 12" in a box. Not only in a box, they were also issued seperately. > And they are almost certain bootlegs. I would rather guess that these *are* the original EMI promos. The dates on the Frontstage webpages are probably not the release dates, otherwise we would have missed a "Tour de France" 12" release in 1998. ;-) > If I remember it right, they were promoting the "remastered" CD=B4s that= were supposed > to be issued in 96 or 97. According to EMI, they were released to promote Kraftwerk's Tribal Gathering show. And this makes sense. Tracks from all four 12"es were performed at the Tribal Gathering, while only one of the 12"es featured a track from the CD's scheduled for remastering in 1997. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dante de Conti Neto" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk material Date: 20 Mar 1999 12:25:05 -0300 Hi All, My material about Kraftwerk (audio, clips and images) are available in ftp.ata.zaz.com.br in /audio/kraftwerk directory. I collected this material in last 3 years using internet and Kraftwerk List. Enjoy, ============================================= ===== Dante de Conti Neto ============================================= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Queen Date: 22 Mar 1999 14:59:25 +0100 On the video-clip of the song "Radio Ga-ga" by Queen appears fragments of the motion picture Metropolis and also a family which wear gas masks and there is an old radio set on a shelf. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) gates' favourite music: KW Date: 22 Mar 1999 15:56:23 +0100 hello, in it's recent issue, german tech-lifesyle-magazine konr@d compares bill gates with bill clinton. they mention KW as gates favourite music as for bill clinton it's saxophone-music. i don't think it's true.... :) regards, andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH http://www.net-media.de Schubertstrasse 8 D-66111 Saarbruecken # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) gates' favourite music: KW Date: 22 Mar 1999 08:31:15 -0700 (MST) On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Andreas Schepers wrote: > in it's recent issue, german tech-lifesyle-magazine konr@d compares bill > gates with bill clinton. they mention KW as gates favourite music as for > bill clinton it's saxophone-music. > > i don't think it's true.... I certainly hope not. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Smady Menko Subject: Re: (kw) gates' favourite music: KW Date: 22 Mar 1999 07:42:56 -0800 (PST) ---Soleil Lapierre wrote: > > > On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Andreas Schepers wrote: > > > in it's recent issue, german tech-lifesyle-magazine konr@d compares bill > > gates with bill clinton. they mention KW as gates favourite music as for > > bill clinton it's saxophone-music. > > > > i don't think it's true.... > > I certainly hope not. :) > Yeah.... I know what you mean. The thought of anyone likeing saxophone-music really sends cold shivers down the old spine :)) SM _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob VonMoss Subject: Re: (kw) gates' favourite music: KW Date: 22 Mar 1999 10:38:06 -0600 Andreas Schepers wrote: > in it's recent issue, german tech-lifesyle-magazine konr@d compares bill > gates with bill clinton. they mention KW as gates favourite music as for > bill clinton it's saxophone-music. You would think it might be "Bill Gates" by Komputer, where they say "Bill Gates" over and over. -- Bob VonMoss mailto:bvonmoss@bigfoot.com from Rosemont, IL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeroen de Haan" Subject: Re: (kw) gates' favourite music: KW Date: 22 Mar 1999 17:53:02 +0100 > in it's recent issue, german tech-lifesyle-magazine konr@d compares bill > gates with bill clinton. they mention KW as gates favourite music as for > bill clinton it's saxophone-music. > > i don't think it's true.... I think Kraftwerk are more Apple Macintosh and Wintel is Celine Dion=8A # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeroen de Haan" Subject: Re: (kw) Queen Date: 22 Mar 1999 17:53:30 +0100 So? ---------- >From: "Der Automat" >To: >Subject: (kw) Queen >Date: maa, 22 maa 1999 14:59 > > > On the video-clip of the song "Radio Ga-ga" by Queen appears fragments of > the motion picture Metropolis and also a family which wear gas masks and > there is an old radio set on a shelf. > > DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) Queen Date: 22 Mar 1999 09:11:04 -0800 (PST) >> [DER AUTOMAT Metropolis post] Jeroen de Haan wrote: > > > So? Don't you recognize that we're playing Six Degrees of Kraftwerk here in the absence of any real KW news? 24 years ago Kraftwerk recorded a song called Metropolis and 18 years ago another group, Queen, recorded a song whose video used footage and imagery from a movie named Metropolis, which was produced by Fritz Lang, who was German, as are Kraftwerk. And did I mention that one of them is also named Fritz? Oh, I'd better stop before you're all too spooked by it all. Jeff _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) gates' favourite music: KW Date: 22 Mar 1999 12:56:31 -0700 (MST) On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Smady Menko wrote: > ---Soleil Lapierre wrote: > > > i don't think it's true.... > > I certainly hope not. :) > > Yeah.... I know what you mean. The thought of anyone likeing > saxophone-music really sends cold shivers down the old spine :)) Touche'. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeroen de Haan" Subject: Re: (kw) Queen Date: 22 Mar 1999 21:22:46 +0100 > Don't you recognize that we're playing Six Degrees of Kraftwerk here > in the absence of any real KW news? 24 years ago Kraftwerk recorded a > song called Metropolis and 18 years ago another group, Queen, recorded > a song whose video used footage and imagery from a movie named > Metropolis, which was produced by Fritz Lang, who was German, as are > Kraftwerk. And did I mention that one of them is also named Fritz? > Oh, I'd better stop before you're all too spooked by it all. Oh I know all that, execpt fot the "one of them is also named Fritz" bit. Who is? One of Queen? Oh and if you do Six Degrees of Kraftwerk here, here is two for you: "State of Mind" by S-Express contains a very clear sample from (guess what) Trans Europe Express. You can hear the steamtrain-sound somewhere in the middle. "nodubithmybasshead" (or something) by Underworld is in my humble opinion very influenced by Kraftwerk (listen to the drums) *and* contains a song called Dark and Long with a lot of train sounds, a repeating line "Like a train" "and* is featured in Trainspotting. I don't know any other connection between either S-Express or Underworld and Kraftwerk, but maybe someone else has a suggestion Bye for now, Jeroen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Date: 22 Mar 1999 12:57:34 -0800 (PST) Jeroen de Haan wrote: > Oh I know all that, execpt fot the "one of them is also named Fritz"bit. > Who is? One of Queen?> > Oh and if you do Six Degrees of Kraftwerk here, here is two for you: No! I was being sarcastic! There is no such thing! We already have postings about nothing. I'm perfectly content to wait for actual KW news and would rather not sort through useless semi-Kraftwerk postings. What have I done?! jmy _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) sarcasm Date: 22 Mar 1999 14:00:50 -0800 (PST) Jeroen de Haan wrote: > > Sorry I thought you were serious about the Six Degrees stuff. Well this was better than the Sellafield stuff, wasn't it? Yeah, I always forget that things get taken VERY literally on the KW list and that I should be more explicit about humor, sarcasm, etc. I'd better go home now so I can listen to the new album. jmy _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) gates' favourite music: KW Date: 22 Mar 1999 21:24:28 +0100 On 22-Mar-99 A.D., Andreas Schepers carved the following runes about "(kw) gates' favourite music: KW": > in it's recent issue, german tech-lifesyle-magazine konr@d compares bill > gates with bill clinton. they mention KW as gates favourite music as for > bill clinton it's saxophone-music. > > i don't think it's true.... I really HOPE it's not true. Otherwise Kraftwerk are in danger of being bought by Gate$, then he'll claim that he invented electronic music, or music as a whole for that matter... MS-Music(TM) - What do We want you to listen to today? -- E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Stann Subject: (kw) Just a thought Date: 22 Mar 1999 16:34:47 -0600 This list is a great way to observe human psyche and behavior. I am = constantly reminded, that in the absence of stimuli (i.e. new Kraftwerk = material), the human mind will invent ways of occupying itself (i.e. the = Kraftwerk Mailing List). Do you think Gates would subscribe to this list? Chris a.k.a. Der Hemorrhoider a.k.a. Der Kraftwerkator # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: (kw) Modulations Date: 22 Mar 1999 23:45:30 +0000 i'm not sure if this counts as real KW news, but it' news nevertheless. Yara Lee a documentary film maker has released her new film called "Modulations". it is in limited run in theatres in USA and CANADA, i don't know about Europe, S. America, Asia or Australia (it might have already opened there too). the film is a chronological documentary about the development of electronic music through 20th century. she attempted to interview KW for the film, but their "manager" or who ever she spoke with turned her down. i listened to an interview she did on CBC a few weeks ago and she made comments about the film and the people she got to interview (including John Cage bofore he died and K. Stockhausen). i bought the soundtrack to the film which does not include any KW, but does include Afrika Bambaataa's "Planet Rock". i have not seen the film yet as it only came once to my area and i missed it, but i am hoping to see it soon. CBC played T.E.E. before airing the interview with Yara Lee. she said that she went to over 40 countries to interview different arists. in the CBC interview she said that she will give out KW "manager's" phone # to whoever e-mails her and ask's her why KW was not included in the film, so they can ask KW themselves. although i'd imagine this is the kind of information most everyone on this list has had since 1987, or perhaps even before than. thank you, lenny g p.s. i taped the interview on CBC, but it's nothing exiting really. i'm sure one could read all about it on the film's website www.modulations.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Modulations Date: 23 Mar 1999 09:50:28 +0100 This film was shown before the KW-consert in Roskilde, Denmark. /Joakim -----Original Message----- ... new film called "Modulations". it is in limited run in theatres in USA and CANADA, i don't know about Europe, S. America, Asia or Australia ... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Morgan" Subject: (kw) re Don werk Date: 23 Mar 1999 10:18:35 -0000 for all of thoe that wanted more details about the Don Werk remix... Title: Don Werk (mannequins Mix) artist: Phat Headz III 130 BPM label: Music Plant records. it was issued on CD as part of a DJ promo set of mixes. other tracks on the CD included Gina G , BT,Goldie and RuPaul. the cd comes in a plastic wallet witha blue insert with the track listing. I know it originated in Florida. but i have no further information apart from that. It will be interesting to see if anyone manages to find a copy of the actual CD by Phat Headz III , but maybe it was something never actually commercially released ! good luck and happy hunting ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) gates' favourite music: KW Date: 23 Mar 1999 16:29:12 +0100 (CET) On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:24:28 +0100, Emanuel Mair wrote: >I really HOPE it's not true. Otherwise Kraftwerk are in danger of being >bought by Gate$, then he'll claim that he invented electronic music, or >music as a whole for that matter... > >MS-Music(TM) - What do We want you to listen to today? "Computerwelt .... Windows ist Geld..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: idmusic@zaz.com.br Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk files (new location) Date: 23 Mar 1999 11:41:46 -0300 (BRA) HI all, I share my Kraftwerk material with all (350MB) including images, videos, audio in varius formats colected in last 3 years using Internet and Kraftwerk list. Try conect using ftp software (no web browser), username "kraftwerk" and password "klingklang". I hope you enjoy, []s Dante de Conti Neto # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Stann Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk files (new location) Date: 23 Mar 1999 09:57:55 -0600 Could we have the URL to your FTP site? -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 8:42 AM HI all, I share my Kraftwerk material with all (350MB) including images, videos, = audio in varius formats colected in last 3 years using Internet and = Kraftwerk list. Try conect using ftp software (no web browser), username "kraftwerk" and = password "klingklang". I hope you enjoy, []s Dante de Conti Neto # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original = sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: = http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: (kw) last year's "next year" rumours... Date: 23 Mar 1999 11:11:30 -0500 (EST) Could someone reiterate last year's "there'll be a new album early next year, and an accompanying tour, too" rumours? I seem to remember that it was a record company person being quoted, and that it said "early next year", but no other details (if there were any). Not that it changes anything :), but then it would be nice to ask that person again about these... -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Bailey" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk files (new location) Date: 23 Mar 1999 16:17:49 -0000 Dear, Dante de Conti Neto Okay, aswell as the Username & password, we need a host address to FTP to your space, can we have it ?????????????? We can't connect with a Username and Password only! Peace Dannyb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk files (new location) Date: 23 Mar 1999 17:32:15 +0100 Try with ftp://ftp.ata.zaz.com.br/cover/ or ftp://kraftwerk:klingklang@ftp.ata.zaz.com.br/cover/ if you're using Internet Explorer. /Joakim -----Original Message----- Dear, Dante de Conti Neto Okay, aswell as the Username & password, we need a host address to FTP to your space, can we have it ?????????????? We can't connect with a Username and Password only! Peace Dannyb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Piscart" Subject: (kw) KW on MCM Date: 23 Mar 1999 18:21:21 +0100 Hello, Tomorrow, the french tv MCM will broadcast a special day on techno music. The emission "l'integrale" (19h30 to 20h30) will be consacred to Kraftwerk. Surely the same that MCM broadcasted last year. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) news on my MP3 page http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald/audio/mp3.htm Date: 23 Mar 1999 19:54:48 +0100 (CET) Hi, This week...: Kraftwerk Kohoutek (version 2) Technopop 1983 demo (5+ minutes version) Sex Object (Technopop 1983 demo) btw, Yes, the Human League tracks are still there too... I don't have the time to put something else yet... I will do my possible to change it for next week... Enjoy!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: (kw) EMI announce new KW album Date: 23 Mar 1999 15:26:34 EST hahahaha # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nowhere000@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) EMI announce new KW album Date: 23 Mar 1999 15:58:18 EST you fuck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gako.potter@argonet.co.uk ( Mr G J Potter) Subject: Re: (kw) gates' favourite music: KW Date: 22 Mar 1999 20:20:24 On Mon 22 Mar 99 (17:53:02 +0100), jeroen.de.haan@inter.nl.net wrote: >I think Kraftwerk are more Apple Macintosh and Wintel is Celine Dion Actually their Acorn - little known but highly influential... -- Microsoft, Intel, and Apple-free zone _ _ _ __ _ __ _| | _____ _ __ ___ | |_| |_ ___ _ _ / _` |/ _` | |/ / _ \ | '_ \ / _ \| __| __/ _ \ '_| gako.potter@argonet.co.uk | (_| | (_| | < (_) || |_) | (_) | |_| || __/ | Acorn Domestic \__, |\__,_|_|\_\___(_) .__/ \___/ \__|\__\___|_| Centre of Technology |___/ |_| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: Re: (kw) gates' favourite music: KW Date: 23 Mar 1999 16:57:50 -0500 (EST) ...what started this thread? (I've been either not getting all digests or they're not complete - I just changed to plain sub, and am apparently getting more messages) -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alex Wilson" Subject: (kw) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:11:16 PST Date: 23 Mar 1999 15:30:35 -0700 Hello All- Can anyone point me in the direction of any sort of recording of performances from the latest Kraftwerk tour? I'm new to this list, and so I hope this question hasn't gone around too many times. Thanks a lot, and I'm certainly looking forward to lots of good Kraftwerk related discourse. -Alex Wilson Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Schefflan Subject: Re: (kw) gates' favourite music: KW Date: 22 Mar 1999 20:37:27 -0500 >>> I really HOPE it's not true. Otherwise Kraftwerk are in danger of being bought by Gate$, then he'll claim that he invented electronic music, or music as a whole for that matter... <<< However, I would have prefered Gates to purchase PolyGram from Philips rather than Seagram and that scumbag Edgar Bronfman Jr.! I saw further fruits of the "end of the world" today: A&M/Interscope/MCA Records--it sends shivers up my spine. Peace. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EJRSemiGod@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) EMI announce new KW album Date: 23 Mar 1999 19:20:57 EST In a message dated 3/23/99 2:33:09 PM Central Standard Time, MERSEYCHAM@aol.com writes: << hahahaha >> Not funny, but at the same time the funniest thing I've ever read on this list. bravo. drake # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: (kw) Don Werks Date: 23 Mar 1999 20:11:43 -0700 Searched through my record collection and found the flip side of "Don Werks" is "Does it Feel", more KW riffs. My 12" copy is from Chicago, Illinois. 1996. Mike M., on your CD, does it read Phatheadz III? Mine just reads Phatheadz. See Labels: http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/phat1.jpg http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/phat2.jpg NP: "Rosemary's Baby is Alive" by SP808 (Tannis Root Mix) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) EMI announce new KW album Date: 23 Mar 1999 23:07:07 -0800 At 03:26 PM 3/23/99 -0500, you wrote: > >hahahaha i just farted # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) phonoTAKTIK 99 Date: 23 Mar 1999 23:17:25 +0100 From 22.04. to 02.05. the Electronic-festival "phonoTAKTIK 99" takes place in Vienna/Austria for the second time. This year is dedicated to Max Brand, who was one of the first pioneers of electronic music. Sorry, the following commentary of the press is in german only: *** wien im zeichen der elektronischen musik von 22. april bis 2. mai steht wien ganz im zeichen der elektronischen musik. das festival "phonotaktik" ueberzieht dann die stadt mit events elektronischer klaenge, kuendigte die rathauskorrespondenz am freitag an. das spektrum werde dabei vom lange verkannten pionier dieser richtung, max brand, ueber international renommierte oesterreichische vertreter unserer tage wie pulsinger und tunakan oder kruder und dorfmeister bis hin zu kuenstlern aus aller welt reichen. eine "besondere note" wuerden auch die veranstaltungsorte dem festival geben: die feuerhalle im zentralfriedhof wird dabei ebenso einbezogen wie das kraftwerk freudenau oder die ehemaligen paukerwerke in floridsdorf. als weitere attraktion sind interessenten eingeladen, sich in eine elektronische gaesteliste einzutragen und damit die festival-veranstaltungen kostenlos zu besuchen. in szenelokalen und kulturinstitutionen werden dazu codes in form von brieflosen ausgegeben, die zur eintragung auf die elektronische gaesteliste phonotaktik und damit zum veranstaltungsbesuch berechtigen. kaufkarten gibt es zudem an den jeweiligen abendkassen. *** (Copyright ORF-ON) All events/concerts will be free of charge! Find out more at: http://www.phonoTAKTIK.at/ (german only) Gruesse aus Wien, Georgie -- * "Interpol und Deutsche Bank FBI und Scotland Yard CIA and KGB * * control the data memory" (Computerworld) * * Georg Jajus - Vienna - Austria * * * http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * phone & SMS: +436765621850 * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Colatina Radio Som Ltda <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) VIDEOS and CDs (again) Date: 21 Mar 1999 21:33:01 -0300 Hi Werkers. I have videos and CD-rs for sale or SWAP (I want CDs of Tangerine Dream/Cyclone, Ricochet) My short list here is: LIVE CDs KRAFTWERK: Computers in Love (double CD, Paris 1981) Karlshue (double CD, 1997) Live at Detroit (double CD, 1998 - includes two new songs !!) Virtu ex Machina (Japan, 1981) Live at Brighton (1975, old age of Kraftwerk - Ruckzack, Autobahn, Tansmusic...) VIDEOS The same tracks, at different places (Numbers, CW, Tour de France, Autobahn, Musique non stop...) Live at England, Italy, USA, Holland. COMPILATION - clips, interviews (with Ralf Hutter !!) and excerpts of tvs. If you are interested in buy or swap by others itens, please, contact me privately. Thanks !!! P.S. Ah !! I have, too, nice pictures of the show at Free Jazz Festival (Rio de Janeiro, october/98) Eduardo Monteiro # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) gates' favourite music: KW Date: 24 Mar 1999 11:27:49 +0100 Andreas Schepers wrote: >in it's recent issue, german tech-lifesyle-magazine konr@d compares bill >gates with bill clinton. they mention KW as gates favourite music as for >bill clinton it's saxophone-music. So, who would be Monica Lewinsky, Intel? DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: RE: (kw) gates' favourite music: KW Date: 24 Mar 1999 12:02:17 +0000 DER AUTOMAT wrote: > >Andreas Schepers wrote: >>in it's recent issue, german tech-lifesyle-magazine konr@d compares bill >>gates with bill clinton. they mention KW as gates favourite music as for >>bill clinton it's saxophone-music. > >So, who would be Monica Lewinsky, Intel? nope. she is still a fat whore who got porked by the President. people just don't have the standards and the style they used to. shame. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thomas m weibrecht Subject: Re: (kw) gates' favourite music: KW Date: 24 Mar 1999 16:26:28 -0500 On Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:02:17 +0000 47 <47@radiolink.net> writes: > >DER AUTOMAT wrote: >> >>Andreas Schepers wrote: >>>in it's recent issue, german tech-lifesyle-magazine konr@d compares >bill >>>gates with bill clinton. they mention KW as gates favourite music as >for >>>bill clinton it's saxophone-music. >> >>So, who would be Monica Lewinsky, Intel? > >nope. she is still a fat whore who got porked by the President. >people >just don't have the standards and the style they used to. shame. she never got porked...and, you can only dream of getting a blow job like that.... tom w np: joi - one and one is one ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Walton" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Gallery Date: 24 Mar 1999 00:22:28 -0000 Hi all Check out http://www.music-non-stop.co.uk and click on the Kraftwerk Gallery. They have some new very nice rare items just in, including pics. Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: (kw) Stranger things have Happened! (Was EMI annouces KW release) Date: 23 Mar 1999 21:47:10 -0400 Well, I seem to recall about a year and a half ago on this list, that most of us (OK ALL of US ) were griping (BITCHING) about when would a tour happen. I feel that if enough talk about a new Release, That it can and Will happen... ( I'm Ready to go down in FLAMES on this! :) ) IMHO, I think that Ralf & Florian DO Subscribe to the list & Lurkring all over the internet trying to get the latest ideas & feelings about their present & past work...... So keep up the pressure! You Might get a SURPRISE!!! Eric Knight AKA= ericknig@sprynet.com Kraftwerk...... A way of life ! Home page:http://home.sprynet.com/~ericknig/kraftwerk.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "idMusic" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk files (new location) Date: 23 Mar 1999 23:33:53 -0300 >I share my Kraftwerk material with all (350MB) including images, videos, audio in varius formats colected in last 3 years using Internet and Kraftwerk list... Sorry guys, I wrote fast this message and forget server name. Using ftp software try connect to server "ftp.dante.eti.br" using username "kraftwerk" and password "klingklang" Using web browser try url "ftp://kraftwerk:klingklang@ftp.dante.eti.br" I hope you enjoy. Dante # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: RE: (kw) gates' favorite music: KW Date: 24 Mar 1999 18:11:23 +0100 Pleeeeeeeeeeease stop this nonsense - someone! Help!!! ---------- Sent: onsdag 24 mars 1999 18=2E07 <> DER AUTOMAT wrote: > >Andreas Schepers wrote: >>in it's recent issue, german tech-lifesyle-magazine konr@d compares bill >>gates with bill clinton=2E they mention KW as gates favourite music as fo= r >>bill clinton it's saxophone-music=2E > >So, who would be Monica Lewinsky, Intel? nope=2E she is still a fat whore who got porked by the President=2E peopl= e just don't have the standards and the style they used to=2E shame=2E # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom=2E # To post, email kraftwerk@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom; replies go to original s= ender=2E # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web=2Ebham=2Eac=2Euk/busbykg/kraftw= erk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mischoulon@aol.com Subject: (kw) Fritz and Henning Date: 24 Mar 1999 22:17:43 EST Hi everyone! Three quick questions: 1. In the current positioning of the boys on stage (left to right from the audience standpoint), we have Ralf, Percussionist 1, Percussionist 2, and Florian. Which one is Henning and which one is Fritz? 2. Which KW bootleg videos feature Fernando Abrantes during his stint with KW (before Fritz joined)? 3. Are all the funky KW remixes (except from The Mix CD) made by DJs, or did KW make any of them themselves? Thank you! David M # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Bailey" Subject: (kw) A very expensive box set ! Date: 25 Mar 1999 11:34:06 -0000 Yo Werkers, Please check out http://www.sisterray.co.uk/catalog.htm search for Kraftwerk and check out the price for the Ltd 4x12" box set. Would any of you lot pay that much ? (it is just the recent remixes of 'Numbers' and 'TDF' on that "for Dj's only" label. Anyway its a totally cool record shop so please check it out. Enjoy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Queen Date: 25 Mar 1999 15:47:28 +0100 Der Automat wrote: >> On the video-clip of the song "Radio Ga-ga" by Queen appears fragments of >> the motion picture Metropolis and also a family which wear gas masks and >> there is an old radio set on a shelf. Jeroen de Haan wrote: >So? I leave it up to you to interpret. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Stockhausen Date: 25 Mar 1999 15:54:41 +0100 From Friday 19 March and during three days Karlheinz Stockhausen (Cologne, 1928) appeared in the Auditorio Nacional of Madrid. He is now 70 years old and continues in first plane of the present time and live creative rate. With him were only four habitual instrumentists: Suzanne Stephens (clarinets and corno di bassetto), Kathinka Passver (flutes), his son Markus Pirol Stockhausen (Cologne, 1958) with the trompet and the young Spanish Antonio Perez Abellan with the synthesizers. Stockhausen conducted the exhibition of four works created between 1975 and 1986. Now he has come as guest to the cycle of contemporary music entitled "De la tierra a las estrellas" (From the Earth to the Stars), the third that Promusica organizes about the music of our time. The chosen title this year is a tribute to the professor of the space music. Stockhausen contributes fundamentally to the versions controling, from the stalls, the sound and the lights of the three concerts, and the first is just titled "Von den Sternen zur Masse" (From the Stars to the Earth) (the one of Saturday was "Der Klang im Distanz " (The sound in the distance), and the one of Sunday, "The blowing and the sigh"). Monday Stockhausen gave a conference in the Residencia de Estudiantes (Residence of Students). There he explained some details of "Licht", his more ambitious work, in which he has been working more than 20 years without interruption, exactly since 1977. It seems long time, but it doesn't, mainly if we bear in mind the estimated lenght of the work (28 hours altogether, allocated on seven days of the week) and the quixotic-divine complexity of an opus which in fact it is hundred and in that is of everything: operas, quartets, concerts for orchestra and for soloists, recorded and live electronic music, drama, choirs, musicians in motion ("all of my scores include notes on each small gesture"), videos... "I'll finish it as I had foreseed, in the 2003 year. Now it's only still to be done the final part of the "Sonntag des Licht" (Sunday of Light), which I'll present for the first time in the Canary Islands". "The work has to do with the cycles of the time and the movement of the Solar System, the moons..., I think the future is the stellar music." The inventor of the octophonic music conceives the music like a universal, malleable, transformable matter, and he sees in the sound a 'tool' to which it is possible to be molded voluntarily. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Modulations and six degrees Date: 25 Mar 1999 12:24:53 -0300 Hi Lenny Yara Lee is a brarzilian director living in NY. She made a movie about Techno (or electronic) music... We talked about it some time ago here in the list. I saw the movie some time ago here in Brazil in a Cinema Festival, and I have to confess I didn't like it. It's nice and have a lot of good moments, like Cage or Stockhausen interviews, but it's much more USA oriented than European oriented. Of course it was much more easy to her, because she lives in USA. I don't believe she traveled to 40 countries... there's no 40 countries in the movie. And you are right. there's no image of KW, or even a song. There's only an image of an old train with Bambaata's Planet Rock in the beggining of the movie. Of course many artists talk abourt KW, considering their major influence. It's a nice film. If you could, see it. But don't expect a revolutionary movie, or a classic. It's not. About six degrees KW: a brazilian band called Chico Science e Nacao Zumbi (Chico Science and Zombie Nation - Chico Science is the name of the guy - something like Francesco Science) has a song called Antene-se (something like Be Connected - Antene-se is the verb of Antenna) with a sample of Antenna from KW... I think if we will talk about all KW references, we will not talk about anymore here... hehehe. peace Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Smady Menko Subject: RE: (kw) gates' favourite music: KW Date: 25 Mar 1999 07:31:32 -0800 (PST) > > DER AUTOMAT wrote: > > > >So, who would be Monica Lewinsky, Intel? > --- 47 wrote: > nope. she is still a fat whore who got porked by the > President. people > just don't have the standards and the style they used > to. shame. Well it's nice to see that at least you keep up the standards and style. KR SM _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) A very expensive box set ! Date: 25 Mar 1999 17:41:08 +0100 (CET) On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:34:06 -0000, Daniel Bailey wrote: >and check out the price for the Ltd 4x12" box set. Would any of you lot pay >that much ? (it is just the recent remixes of 'Numbers' and 'TDF' on that >"for Dj's only" label. Anyway its a totally cool record shop so please check >it out. I wonder if this box set is so rare, I've seen it at a very high price on severall Web CD store... But, yes, I wouldn't pay that much for it... I never buy something collectable... Records collectors are records collectors. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Stann Subject: (kw) KOSOVO Date: 25 Mar 1999 10:52:20 -0600 Off topic, yes. But very important. This list sees input from people across the world. I am very interested in hearing your opinions about the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. Chris The Kraftwerkator # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BILL Subject: (kw) RE: KOSOVO Date: 25 Mar 1999 09:39:38 -0800 What do I think? I think Clinton is an evil warmonger eager to etch his name in the history books at the expense on ANYONE standing in his way. Chris Stann wrote: > Off topic, yes. But very important. > > This list sees input from people across the world. I am very interested in hearing your opinions about the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. > > Chris > The Kraftwerkator # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom807@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) RE: KOSOVO Date: 25 Mar 1999 12:46:01 EST In a message dated 3/25/99 12:44:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, bgillam@pacbell.net writes: << This list sees input from people across the world. I am very interested in hearing your opinions about the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. >> I think you should keep this off topic off the list. If you want to reply, do it off the list, please. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kingrollo@iname.com Subject: Re: (kw) RE: KOSOVO Date: 25 Mar 1999 18:11:18 +0000 ><< This list sees input from people across the world. I am very > interested in hearing your opinions about the NATO bombing of > Yugoslavia. >> > >I think you should keep this off topic off the list. If you want to reply, do >it off the list, please. I think that's exceedingly insensitive, especially as I'm sure Kraftwerk are anti-war like the rest of us. However, it is true that it should only be touched on lightly. There could probably be much heated debate about what is on and off topic, with Kraftwerk up to very little and with the Automat's periodical ramblings... In answer to the original question, though, it's a very difficult question to answer, but Blair & Clinton (the latter especially) should both realise that it is very difficult to justify bombing at the best of times. (Or should I say the worst?) --rollo-- (just emerging from a nasty essay, so bound to be pretty hacked off) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TiMeZeRo Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk 1",2 Ralf und florian MP3S Date: 23 Mar 1999 22:03:05 +0100 >>Subject: (kw) Questions >> >>Does anybody know where i can download kraftwerk music videos in Realpalyer >>format or Quicktime/avi format? >>I also want some oldoes like Ralf undFLorian kraftwerk1 kraftwerk2 mp3s, i >>will be gladfull if anybody send links to me ther i can find it. >> >>Daniel > >Check this URL: http://www.isolation.la.ca.us/kraftwerk/ >But i'm still looking "Kraftwerk 1" mp3s!!! >If anyone wants to trade... > >The Man Machine >ICQ: 12449637 >Brazil Hmm... For me this adress didnt work, does anybody know any other good site with kraftwerk 1, kraftwerk 2, mp3s? Im also looking for Tonefloat mp2s and ralf und florian mp3s exceller 8 mp3s... Music non stop... I guess that other kw's looking for these to so if anyone of you have this albums and put over these mp3's on your site or know sites with these... Mail Daniel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Ritchford Subject: (kw) Did Kraftwerk conquer the world? Date: 25 Mar 1999 13:19:39 -0500 To get us back on topic... you could make a good case for the fact that Kraftwerk was more influential than any other single musical act... even the Beatles (not to downplay the Beatles, of course). ...since most of the music on the radio now is done with drum machines and they were "the first" to really do this. Comments? (Were they really the first?) /t # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TiMeZeRo Subject: (kw) Info about Kraftwerk new album "kraft of 2000" Date: 23 Mar 1999 22:06:33 +0100 Hmm I havent seen it, hhahahaha # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TiMeZeRo Subject: (kw) Kw<------Good URL------------>Kw Date: 23 Mar 1999 22:24:59 +0100 Check out http://www.image.dk/~biotech4/kw/kw.htm#kw1 Daniel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob VonMoss Subject: Re: (kw) Info about Kraftwerk new album "kraft of 2000" Date: 25 Mar 1999 13:13:46 -0600 TiMeZeRo wrote: > Hmm I havent seen it, hhahahaha In keeping with the retrospective futurism of Kraftwerk, perhaps they could name their next album: "Solving the Y1K problem" or "Pocket Abacus" People or things Kraftwerk has influenced: Computer World magazine Hooters restaurants (shouldn't it be named Schneiders?) Even if KW never releases another album, they could make more selling a Kraftwerk bicycle with a pocket cyclometer on the handlebars, everything elctronic. Now about MP3 files. A lot of people have MP3 files on their web sites of live shows or out of print tracks, like "Tour de France." Now that Autobahn is out of print, is it OK to post that on web sites or alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.1970s ? If not, on what grounds is the objection? -- Bob VonMoss mailto:bvonmoss@bigfoot.com from Rosemont, IL "And that's our topic for today." Bob MacKenzie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peeters Ivo" Subject: Re: (kw) A very expensive box set ! Date: 25 Mar 1999 20:27:08 +0100 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Daniel Bailey Aan: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com Datum: donderdag 25 maart 1999 12:46 Onderwerp: (kw) A very expensive box set ! > >Yo Werkers, > >Please check out http://www.sisterray.co.uk/catalog.htm search for Kraftwerk >and check out the price for the Ltd 4x12" box set. Would any of you lot pay >that much ? (it is just the recent remixes of 'Numbers' and 'TDF' on that >"for Dj's only" label. Anyway its a totally cool record shop so please check >it out. > Are this really remixes? Ivo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Stranger things have Happened! Date: 25 Mar 1999 12:36:07 +0000 Eric Knight wrote: >IMHO, I think that Ralf & Florian DO Subscribe to the list & Lurkring all >over the internet trying to get the latest ideas & feelings about their >present & past work...... > >So keep up the pressure! You Might get a SURPRISE!!! Yes, I'm sure their new album will reflect the valuable insights they glean from this list. >cough< In particular, I understand that the cover of the forthcoming album, 'All the President's Men-Machines', will have artwork inspired by El Lewinsky. > Kraftwerk...... A way of life ! Did I just hear someone whirr? :-) KB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lux, Kevin" Subject: (kw) Kevin Lux Date: 25 Mar 1999 15:23:57 -0600 The new album, Futurelounge has now been released. Dedicated once again to Ralf, Florian, and Klingklang. This will be the only notice, sorry for any inconvenience. Thank you, KL http://www.kevinlux.simplenet.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #277 Date: 25 Mar 1999 08:50:02 -0500 Wow. Great reading this time around.... Thats sarcasm folks. I don't really ever want to read the name "Bill Gates" (there I go) again - it isn't that I like, or dislike the guy, he's just a person as far as I'm concerned. Is his favorite music Kraftwerk, or is it some quick one liner some writer thought up because there are obvious connections, (at least it wouldn't be much of a stretch for the imagination). Bill Clinton likes (and plays) the sax? What's the punchline in comparing the two? Bill Gates likes Kraftwerk! I bet Billy Grahm (US "televangelist) must like the Proclaimers!! Haa haaa...yes, that's one funny line. Actually, it isn't good humor, (bland and obvious) and it isn't a good topic for discussion, either. I wouldn't want to read one posting regarding such "news" or "information" (yet here I go), let alone 5 or 6 of them. Nextly, I don't much care if "Don Werk" or whoever are sampling entire Kraftwerk albums. Honeslty. Isn't it the same (disgusting) thing as all the "punk" bands today are pillaging anything from 77 onwards? That these morons confuse dropping names and stealing riffs or motifs from truly original artists is just a joke. A joke funnier than the one above, actually. Seriously, it just doesn't make sense. You like the originators of the sound, so you have to spend the rest of your days rummaging through shitty dance mixes from no name thieves looking for samples of KW? Go ahead if you like, but don't mistake it for having any relevence to a fan of Kraftwerk. It doesn't. KW WROTE the music, they didn't lift it off of Franz Schubert, or anybody else. What made it great is that it was (and is) orginal. Sampling and remixing may change the basic components around, but it is still unoriginal. If it weren't for the "source" sounds, the "new" song wouldn't even exist. Sorry folks. Just a miniature rant. Nothing pesonal intended. I'm discussing ideas, not people. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #277 Date: 25 Mar 1999 16:45:15 -0700 (MST) On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 Fred_Harding@idx.com wrote: > Nextly, I don't much care if "Don Werk" or whoever are sampling entire > Kraftwerk albums. Honeslty. Isn't it the same (disgusting) thing as all > the "punk" > bands today are pillaging anything from 77 onwards? No, I'd say it's the same cool thing as some of the DJs and remix artists updating stuff from 77 onwards. > That these morons > confuse dropping names and stealing riffs or motifs from truly original > artists > is just a joke. Who said they did? > Seriously, it just doesn't make sense. You like the originators of the > sound, so you have to > spend the rest of your days rummaging through shitty dance mixes from no > name thieves looking for samples of KW? I don't have to. I do it because I like to, I like the KW sound and searching for it often leads to other good music because people who sample KW often like KW too. > Go ahead if you like, but don't > mistake it for having any relevence to a fan of Kraftwerk. It doesn't. KW > WROTE the music, they didn't lift it off of Franz Schubert, or anybody > else. I don't see what you're getting at here. > What made it great is that it was (and is) orginal. Sampling and remixing > may change the basic components around, but it is still unoriginal. > If it weren't for the "source" sounds, the "new" song wouldn't even exist. Nonsense. Music is all about sound and melody. KW produced some truly great sounds, and it would be very hard to produce original sounds like that without sounding just like KW. Thanks to sampling technology - the greatest music invention since music itself - people can produce new melodies without having to spend hours slaving away trying to get just the right sound. If you hear a good sample, grab it. But credit-where-credit-is-due is definitely called for and often overlooked. I've heard a few instances of people ripping whole KW riffs too. The results are usually pretty lame, and I agree that that's a little unoriginal, but sometimes something really good comes out of it. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timon Marmex Trzepacz Subject: (kw) Ok, so what would we want KW to do next? Date: 25 Mar 1999 18:57:38 -0800 This is an attempt to start some sort on new, relevant thread in the absence of any real, new information. Ok, so what would we want KW to do next? Release a new album, obviously, but what direction should they go in? I'm sure some would suggest that they go back and create new songs in the style of whatever their old favorite KW album would be, but wouldn't that be the same thing that we are constantly railing against "Komputer" for doing? Others might suggest that they take a page from those who have been sampling KW for years and do KW's take on current electronica stylings. One might argue, having heard the two new songs, that that is exactly the direction that they are heading. Then again, having heard the two new songs, we might think that isn't such a good idea. I think Kraftwerk was always much different, much more, than a lot of the current electronic bands. Kraftwerk songs usually have a melody, for example... ;) So then what? We expect Kraftwerk to constantly be striking out new territory, perhaps very slowly, but new territory none-the-less. Every Kraftwerk album seems to have a different loose theme about it. What themes might modern society suggest for a new Kraftwerk album? Certainly we have moved into a modern "Computer World" in ways which Kraftwerk probably never envisioned, although certain things may perhaps have become similar to their vision. One might argue that Kraftwerk wrote about an archaic vision of the future which has already been superceeded by current reality, so what would they write about now? (Ok, this next one is a bit of a stretch, more of a creative thought exercise than an analysis...) Kraftwerk always seemed to portray this image of an large, impersonal technical corporation, where the players are merely operators hired to run the machines? Obviously this wasn't really true: Kraftwerk's music was created by people and was not just a product of an algorithm. But it seems as if they wanted it to SOUND as if it was written by a machine. So suppose you were hired by the mythical Kraftwerk corporation to run this mythical machine which actually wrote the music: How would you expect that machine to work? What controls would you expect to see on the front panel? I'm not talking about the actual Kling-Klang here, but some hypothetical machine that wrote Kraftwerk music... Hopefully these questions will provide us with some stimulating conversation for a little while... Take care. -- Timon Marmex Trzepacz -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob VonMoss Subject: Re: (kw) Ok, so what would we want KW to do next? Date: 25 Mar 1999 22:43:55 -0600 Timon Marmex Trzepacz wrote: > Release a new album, obviously, but what direction should they go in? The new Luton Hoo song is border line jazz fusion, but with an electronic twist. I like the mesmerizing KW songs, like TEE. Instead of trying to dream up a theme (they've already obviously exhausted that avenue), just play a lot of that tinkling kind of wall of sounds. They themselves said in some interview, that everything that needs to be said has been said. So I suggest instead of trying to come up with witting sayings or cute little melodies, just do long drawn out repetitive electronic riffs, but not to the point where it gets depressing. The only other thing I can think of is being so retrospective futuristic that they're in the Greek age looking to the future or something like that with an electronic bent. Quoting Greek literature in a techno song! > Certainly we have moved into a modern "Computer World" in ways which > Kraftwerk probably never envisioned, although certain things may perhaps > have become similar to their vision. One might argue that Kraftwerk > wrote about an archaic vision of the future which has already been > superceeded by current reality, so what would they write about now? Do a very short term retrospective of people looking at the possibilities of the internet. Computer World was not specifically internet. I think a nice theme is asking a lot. They're 50 years old. That's asking a lot. I recently caught the BeeGees on TV around here. I think they're roughly the same age as Kraftwerk. They looked quite geriatric and past their time. On the other hand, Kraftwerk doesn't seem 20+ years old only for 45 year olds at the show, like what seemed at the video shots of the BeeGees crowd. -- Bob VonMoss mailto:bvonmoss@bigfoot.com from Chicago, IL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: Re: (kw) Stranger things have Happened! (Was EMI annouces KW rel Date: 25 Mar 1999 20:18:39 -0400 >Hi, > >>IMHO, I think that Ralf & Florian DO Subscribe to the list & Lurkring all >>over the internet trying to get the latest ideas & feelings about their >>present & past work...... > >Well, what I hear from my friends who go to their concert here in Sao >Paulo (I >doesn't go) they play in the Free Jazz Festival and there have some computers >connected in the web. A friend told me Florian go in one of these computers... >What because I think they subscribe the list. > >Always I just imagine they laughing about US!!!! =( > >Cheers, >Priscila. I heard that rumor also(Florian on the Net) Laughing?, Maybe.... But, I do Beleive that the Man Machine has a thirst for information.. Kinda like Jonny 5 in that old movie "Short Circut" Kraftwerk Eric Knight AKA= ericknig@sprynet.com Kraftwerk...... A way of life ! Home page:http://home.sprynet.com/~ericknig/kraftwerk.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: (kw) Krakwurx Date: 25 Mar 1999 22:19:59 -0700 KRAKWURX! http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/krakwurx.jpg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) 10cc? Date: 26 Mar 1999 09:28:24 -0500 Anybody ever notice the similarity between 10cc's "I'm not in Love" and much of Kraftwerk's Radioactivity? I just got 10cc's greatest hits last night and upon hearing the first 3 pulses from the song, I thought to myself, "that sure sounds a lot like the pulse from the begining of "Radioactivity"", and then I noted (actually one of my favorite parts of the song) the background vocals are obviously a similar technique used for the choral sounds on Radioactivity (the whole album). Anybody else ever notice this? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent.Pendleton@choicepointinc.com Subject: (kw) [kw] Sampling vs. covering Date: 26 Mar 1999 09:42:59 -0500 Fred Harding raised an interesting point that I have been thinking about lately, but haven't actually seen discussed in this forum. Fred is obviously very against using samples in creating new songs, judging it unoriginal. My question for the group is this; how would we compare music created using samples of a group like Kraftwerk and cover-versions of songs by Kraftwerk? In the past year alone, I've seen many tributes to Kraftwerk released. (Oddly enough, I'm listening to Tracewerk Express V.2 at this moment) Personally, I have no trouble with either form of creating music, as long as proper licenses are purchased. One problem I do have is with musicians that sample other musicians and give NO CREDIT at all. Maximum tacky! As far as cover versions go, I really enjoy hearing what other people hear in songs that I like. Tribute albums, dance remixes, and the like are really neat to me, even if sometimes the results are not great. I recently heard a couple of Kraftwerk songs done as heavy metal. Not my cup of tea, but still interesting. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Dobiesz" Subject: (kw) Found another one... Date: 26 Mar 1999 10:01:39 -0500 I'm sitting here listening to "Radioactive" By The Firm, and I've come to realize it has nothing whatsoever to do with Kraftwerk. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mm@UDel.Edu (Mike Markowski) Subject: (kw) Sampling vs. covering Date: 26 Mar 1999 10:03:53 -0500 First off, since this is my first post to the group since joining the list a week or two ago, I should say hello. I've been a casual Kraftwerk fan since I first picked up Autobahn about 10 years ago. Recently I've gotten still more interested in them, which prompted me to join the list here. But back to the topic at hand... On Mar 26, Kent.Pendleton@choicepointinc.com wrote: > Subject: (kw) [kw] Sampling vs. covering > > My question for the group is this; how would we compare music > created using samples of a group like Kraftwerk and cover-versions > of songs by Kraftwerk? [...] > > Personally, I have no trouble with either form of creating music, as > long as proper licenses are purchased. Rather than answer with my own words, I'll use sampling of a sort, and reference this site http://www.interlog.com/~vacuvox/x.html and you can hear the views of one of the world's master samplers. Enjoy! Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent.Pendleton@choicepointinc.com Subject: (kw) Ok, so what would we want KW to do next? Date: 26 Mar 1999 11:33:46 -0500 This will sound like a cliche, but I have a friend that has very definate ideas about this. These opinions are largely his, but I do see his points. 1. The two 'new' songs played at concerts here and there clearly indicate that the idea well is running dry for them, or at least they are resting on the laurels of past musical successes. My view - are they just giving the crowd what they want? 2. The fact that we HAVE superceded the archaic vision of the future may mean that they are having trouble with the CONCEPT of their vision. My view - I like the idea of borrowing from the Greeks. Cool concept, Bob. 3. Even if the musical and conceptual ideas are there, could it be that they are afraid of not being far enough ahead of the trends to release what they've done? Rumors I've heard state that they've actually had one or more albums pretty close to completion, but then burned them for some reason. Maybe they get done with something that they do think is worth putting out, but then go to the club that night and hear what they've done being played. Frustrated, they go back to the drawing board. This I agree with. With the velocity of modern music being so fast, how can anyone be too far ahead of everyone else. It is VERY difficult to make music now without being compared to some other artist. In terms of what I'd like to see them do, I have just recently been introduced to their pre-Autobahn work through this group. Thank you all. As 'primitive' as some of that stuff is, I think that returning to some of those ideas might be a good full-circle for them. As for being middle-aged, I could understand them not wanting to tour ever again, maybe not even doing one-off concerts, but the talent isn't lost into old age, as long as the brain is sound, so they could go on creating music for MANY more years. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) [kw] Sampling vs. covering Date: 26 Mar 1999 11:44:34 -0700 (MST) On Fri, 26 Mar 1999 Kent.Pendleton@choicepointinc.com wrote: > of songs by Kraftwerk? In the past year alone, I've seen many tributes > to Kraftwerk released. (Oddly enough, I'm listening to Tracewerk > Express V.2 at this moment) It's nice to see some recognition coming out at last. :) > Personally, I have no trouble with either form of creating music, as > long as proper licenses are purchased. One problem I do have is > with musicians that sample other musicians and give NO CREDIT at > all. Maximum tacky! That bothers me too. More MOD authors give credit for the samples they use than commercial musicians. > As far as cover versions go, I really enjoy hearing what other people > hear in songs that I like. Tribute albums, dance remixes, and the like > are really neat to me, even if sometimes the results are not great. > I recently heard a couple of Kraftwerk songs done as heavy metal. > Not my cup of tea, but still interesting. I like covers too, though generally not as much as new music that uses KW samples. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) gates' favourite music: KW Date: 26 Mar 1999 13:50:01 +0000 DANGER! DANGER! SARCASM INCLUDED! PLEASE DO NOT READ AND DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS MESSAGE IF YOU CAN NOT HANDLE HUMOR, OR A HINT TO DROP THIS BULLSHIT TOPIC AND MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE! PERHAPS FROM NOW ON EVERY OFF-TOPIC POST TO THE LIST SHOULD CONTAIN A WARNING IN THE SUBJECT SO THAT THOSE OF US WHO DON'T WANT TO READ THIS GARBAGE CAN TRASH IT. OR SHOULD WE JUST STOP USING COMPLICATED CONCEPTS AND MAINTAIN AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL READING/WRITING LEVEL ON THIS LIST. HERE IS MY POST: Kraftwerk is good. I like Kraftwerk. When I grow up, I want to be just like Florian. IS THAT EASIER TO UNDERSTAND THAN THINGS LIKE SARCASM, IRONY, METAPHOR, SIMILY, ETC? DO WE HAVE ANY LANGUAGE SPECIALISTS HERE ON THE LIST OR MAYBE KINDERGARTEN TEACHERS? MAYBE THEY CAN EXPLAIN THE WONDERS OF UNDERSTANDING WRITTEN WORD BETTER THAN I CAN. lenny g DER AUTOMAT wrote: >>>So, who would be Monica Lewinsky, Intel? 47 wrote: >>nope. she is still a fat whore who got porked by the President. >>people >>just don't have the standards and the style they used to. shame. >she never got porked...and, you can only dream of getting a blow job like >that.... > >tom w > > DER AUTOMAT wrote: > > > >So, who would be Monica Lewinsky, Intel? > --- 47 wrote: > nope. she is still a fat whore who got porked by the > President. people > just don't have the standards and the style they used > to. shame. Well it's nice to see that at least you keep up the standards and style. KR SM # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Man Machine Subject: Re: (kw) Stranger things have Happened! (Was EMI annouces KW rel Date: 26 Mar 1999 16:54:44 EST >From: Eric Knight >I heard that rumor also(Florian on the Net) = > >Laughing?, Maybe.... But, I do Beleive that the Man Machine has a thirst= = >for information.. Did you call me? :-P The Man Machine ICQ: 12449637 Brazil ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) sampling Date: 26 Mar 1999 16:31:10 -0500 > Nextly, I don't much care if "Don Werk" or whoever are sampling entire > Kraftwerk albums. Honeslty. Isn't it the same (disgusting) thing as all > the "punk" > bands today are pillaging anything from 77 onwards? No, I'd say it's the same cool thing as some of the DJs and remix artists updating stuff from 77 onwards. >>And there is the seed of our disagreement, I guess. "Cool, and updated?" I don't know...seems to me the original is cool, and the "updated" version is pointless. I don't actually mind bands doing cover versions, but somehow sampling doesn't seem to me to be a cover version. To literally extract a portion of a song, (a portion that to me BELONGS in the song) and place it in another "mix" somehow seems wrong. I don't (oddly, perhaps) mind "quotes" from other songs, for instance, if I wrote a song and it somehow reminded me of, or it was some how inspired by some other song, I might throw a quote into a solo, or fill...never the less, it isn't the same, to me. To literally make a recording just because I like the sounds contained in someone else's recordings? I don't know. > That these morons > confuse dropping names and stealing riffs or motifs from truly original > artists > is just a joke. Who said they did? >> I do. To me they just steal (credit given, or not) it is the differenct between me being inspired by KW and writing my own song, or even figuring out how to play one of their songs, and me simply RECORDING one of their songs. I think it is obvious which endeavor would take more creative input and inspiration. To simply sample KW sounds and fit them into a mix, while it might be something I myself can't do, I don't think it has any more relevance to a KW fan than If I were to sample Fugazi, and do dance mixes based on their "sounds", would to a fan of that band. Would I be curious to hear it? Maybe. Would it bear repeted listenings, (like the original recording?) probably not. Is it the same thing for me to sample Fugazi, and "create" a record as it is for them to sweat, and compose and practice their songs? I don't believe it is. > Go ahead if you like, but don't > mistake it for having any relevence to a fan of Kraftwerk. It doesn't. KW > WROTE the music, they didn't lift it off of Franz Schubert, or anybody > else. I don't see what you're getting at here. > I'm saying just because "Don Werk" (who, I thought might be inspired by Don Was) samples KW for his "mix" - it doesn't make it relevant (to me, anyway) as a fan of Kraftwerk. It is quite a different thing to sample than it is to compose, I believe. KW (again, to me) are great because they came up with these sounds - they didn't re-arrange somebody else's work, and call it "new". > What made it great is that it was (and is) orginal. Sampling and remixing > may change the basic components around, but it is still unoriginal. > If it weren't for the "source" sounds, the "new" song wouldn't even exist. Nonsense. Music is all about sound and melody. KW produced some truly great sounds, and it would be very hard to produce original sounds like that without sounding just like KW. >>EXACTLY, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to produce original sounds like that without sounding EXACTLY like KW. They originated the sounds, and in their recording >>compositions is where those sounds belong. Not extracted like components and placed in other fields. TEE is a great song, and it belongs (to me) in "one piece" I don't need to hear the main melody imbedded in another mix - to me, that is an injustice to the beauty of the piece as originally intended. Unless of course, the original artist wants to do so themselves, like on "the Mix". Thanks to sampling technology - the greatest music invention since music itself - people can produce new melodies without having to spend hours slaving away trying to get just the right sound. If you hear a good sample, grab it. But credit-where-credit-is-due is definitely called for and often overlooked. > The greatest music invention since music itself? I can't agree less. Hell, we(sic) might as well stop making new music. What's the point? There's a ton of stuff out there to sample. Nothing personal, btw, I read and enjoy many of your posts. I just don't get the origin of this feeling. We'll no doubt agree to disagree, and leave it at that. At least it isn't another discussion about haircuts! F # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) sampling Date: 26 Mar 1999 15:00:14 -0700 (MST) On Fri, 26 Mar 1999 Fred_Harding@idx.com wrote: > No, I'd say it's the same cool thing as some of the DJs and remix artists > updating stuff from 77 onwards. > > >>And there is the seed of our disagreement, I guess. "Cool, and updated?" > I don't know...seems to me the original is cool, and the "updated" > version > is pointless. I don't actually mind bands doing cover versions, but > somehow > sampling doesn't seem to me to be a cover version. To literally extract a > portion > of a song, (a portion that to me BELONGS in the song) and place it in > another "mix" > somehow seems wrong. They're certainly two different things. A cover version need not use any samples, as proved by the Balanescu Quartet. Conversely, a song that uses lots of samples isn't necessarily a cover. > if I wrote a song and it somehow reminded me of, or it was some how > inspired by some other > song, I might throw a quote into a solo, or fill...never the less, it > isn't the same, to me. I think I can see that. To take that to an extreme, back in 1992 there was a song called Techno Trance that took snippets from all the popular songs that year and mixed them together in a sequence of such quotes. Not very original to be sure, but I found it very entertaining as a comment on how similar a lot of the mass-produced pop is. > To literally make a recording just because I like the sounds contained in > someone else's recordings? > I don't know. I see it as a tribute or a tip'o' the hat. If not to the originator of the sample directly, then at least to a good sound. > > That these morons > > confuse dropping names and stealing riffs or motifs from truly original > > artists > > is just a joke. > > Who said they did? > > >> I do. To me they just steal (credit given, or not) it is the differenct > between me being > inspired by KW and writing my own song, or even figuring out how to play > one of their songs, > and me simply RECORDING one of their songs. I think it is obvious which > endeavor would take > more creative input and inspiration. To simply sample KW sounds and fit > them into a mix, while I give people more credit than that. To me remixers are a different category from originators like KW. There is some crossover between the two groups as well. I don't consider remixing inferior because to me it's a different form of art, and one which often produces very good results. It's an exporation of directions the originators could have gone with their sounds, but chose not to. Granted I have seen examples of lamers ripping off lots of samples and going around crowing about how great they are, but I don't see that happen often and it's pretty childish anyway. > it might be something I myself can't do, I don't think it has any more > relevance to a KW fan than I keep disagreeing with you on this relevance thing. I'm a diehard KW fan. KW was the first group I liked, and they're still among my very favorites. But I also actively seek out, and for the most part enjoy, people who sample KW. I think it's very relevant to me. It's obviously not relevant to you. Therefore you can't say anything about its relevance to the general KW fan. > KW (again, to me) are great because they came up with these sounds - they > didn't re-arrange > somebody else's work, and call it "new". I agree completely. KW are among the gods of modern music. But without people emulating them and being influenced by them and other pioneers, there would be no modern music. KW would have been the beginning and the end of techno-pop. > Thanks to sampling technology - the greatest music invention since music > itself - people can produce new melodies without having to spend hours > slaving away trying to get just the right sound. If you hear a good > sample, grab it. But credit-where-credit-is-due is definitely called for > and often overlooked. > > > The greatest music invention since music itself? I can't agree less. > Hell, > we(sic) might as well stop making new music. What's the point? There's a > ton of stuff out there to sample. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I value the original music as much as you do, but I need variety. I can't just listen to my KW collection over and over and over again, so in the absence of new KW albums I look for other music that I enjoy. Some of it sounds a lot like KW, and some of it even samples KW. That doesn't bother me, though I really would like to see credit given where it's due. Good argument though. By the way, there's something funny about your message quoting. You might want to check your software configuration. In order for your messages to show up right, they should be wrapped with hard-returns at 78 columns - it looks to me like your lines are longer than 78 letters. Hope this helps. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: (kw) Technopop-83 Date: 26 Mar 1999 17:08:24 -0500 (EST) Having just heard this again from someone's mp3, I cannot help but wonder if this is real, and where it came from? At first hearing, it sounds rather like a remix, but some of the elements, such as the singing, do seem to eb unique to this piece - even the TdF-harp-like instrument plays a different melody from what's in TdF. So if it's true KW, how was it obtained? -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Stann Subject: RE: (kw) sampling Date: 26 Mar 1999 16:30:45 -0600 Sampling is a product of the pop-DJ culture. It started with mixing = parts of songs on top of other songs, as pioneered by Grandmaster Flash, = of Grandmaster Flash of the Furious Five, and Afrikaa Bambataa (however = you spell that). You may recall Afrikaa Bambataa's song Planet Rock = which used TEE, and Grandmaster Flash had a hit with a song that used = Man Machine. These were samples, but you may call them analog samples, since they = were done with a couple of turntables (or more, in case of Grandmaster = Flash), LPs, and a mixing console. The DJ would match the beat speed of = the "sampled" song using the speed-variable drive of the professional DJ = turntable, and fade in the sample with the mixing board. This requires = a fair amount of skill and practice. The escalation of sampling was helped by the advent of digital = technology. This allowed a much more flexible use of samples. Now = anyone can do it. Some with better results than others. So, there you have it. What some call creativity, others proclaim to be = a rip-off. And they lived unhappily ever-after. Chris, The Kraftwerkator # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry R LaCost Jr." Subject: (kw) The Warfield Soundboard 2-CD Date: 26 Mar 1999 20:31:29 -0800 I have extra copies of the double CD Kraftwerk "The Warfield Soundboard" from the San Francisco concert they performed in 1998. These CDs were found at the Orange County meet and are sealed/shrinkwrapped and in perfect condition. This is by far one of the best sounding live CDs I've found. Please email me if you're interested. Larry... ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) Found another one... Date: 27 Mar 1999 03:04:49 +0000 Bill Dobiesz wrote: > >I'm sitting here listening to "Radioactive" By The Firm, and I've come to >realize it has nothing whatsoever to do with Kraftwerk. hey bill, i'm not sure how this relates to Kraftwerk, but for the last 4 years i have been producing and hosting a weekly radio program on a local college radio station. It's called "Radio Activity", and it features electronic and experimental music. i should also add that not a week goes by when i don't play at least one track by Kraftwerk. But i guess that alot of radio stations play Kraftwerk, just like the other day i heard T.E.E. on CBC. lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) New Kraftwerk Bootleg? Date: 27 Mar 1999 12:08:52 +0100 (NFT) Spotted on a saleslist: Kraftwerk: CD "Tour de France (DJ only)". No further details. Does anyone have any more information about this item? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Bodystyler article Date: 27 Mar 1999 12:10:11 +0100 (NFT) The April issue of the German magazine Bodystyler is out, featuring the seventh part of a retrospective Kraftwerk article. Not essential. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Igor & Kraftwerk? Date: 27 Mar 1999 12:13:46 +0100 (NFT) Does anyone know anything about these two releases? : Igor & Kraftwerk: "Fliegen ueber den Wolken", Maxi-CD, 1992, Carlton 770-00219. Igor & Kraftwerk: "I can Techno Satisfaction", Maxi-CD, 1991, Ide 664952. Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam Read" Subject: (kw) More New Kraftwerk Bootlegs Date: 27 Mar 1999 23:41:44 +1100 Also seen recently: WERKING HOLIDAY= 98 6/3 AKASAKA BLITZ, SHOUT TO THE TOP 2CD COMPUTERWELT='81 6/3 HAMMESMITH ODEON, LONDON , HIGH QUALITY FROM NEW MATERIAL 20TH ANNIVERSARY TOUR= '90 BOLOGNA 2CD DENTAKU 1998= '98 6/3 TOKYO, JAPAN, CLUB 2CD AR. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) [kw] Sampling vs. covering Date: 27 Mar 1999 14:51:03 EST Sampling is as original a way of performing and creating music as any other. By taking - for example - a guitar, playing a note on it and then recording that note you are effectively sampling the inherent quality of that guitar (it's unique sound that is a result of all the variables in its construction and set up). Describing sampling as sampling is just a way of being derogatory about it. Why not call it playing a sampler. After all, a sampler is nothing but an instrument. And, for the purists out there... consider this: KW are the greatest samplers of them all. Was it not their express intention in the production of "The Mix" to sample (ie. to record in digital form) sounds from their demagnetizing old source tapes (ie. the masters of previous albums). And given their (supposed) green philosophy we can be sure that KW will once again delight us with their sampling skills on the forthcoming album, about to be announced by EMI. After all... after so much sound pollution, it's time to recycle. Der Krautomat. >8^D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dirk-jan müller" Subject: (kw) introducing / remix+covers Date: 26 Mar 1999 23:27:59 PST Hello Folks, I just subscribed to this KW mailing list and it seems to be great fun! To introduce myself: My Name is Dirk and I am from Aachen (nearby=20 D=FCsseldorf). I am a techno-producer since 10 years and KW is my biggest= =20 influence since I saw them 1991 in D=FCsseldorf. I just overflown your discussion re: sampling / cover-versions... Can anyone name a remix or cover-version which is nearly as good as the=20 original KW-One? I don=B4t. I=B4d tried to remix some KW Tracks and it is= =20 impossible to reach this high standard KW aproached. By remixing a=20 KW-track you found yourself working for ages on it, to make every little=20 thing in this track nearly perfect and that is impossible! O.K. Enough for today Feel free to e-mail me if you are having questions re: technique,=20 instruments, sampling... Greetings from Germany Dirk Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: (kw) [kw] Sampling vs. covering Date: 27 Mar 1999 17:02:51 -0500 MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: >Describing sampling as sampling is just a way of being derogatory about it. >Why not call it playing a sampler. After all, a sampler is nothing but an >instrument. I have no objection to people who play samplers. But unfortunately, most samples that one hears in music are just recordings that are periodically triggered by sequencers. Even that can be very good... for example, the Orb makes very interesting use of just such samples. But most often, it's just tedious... "four bars have passed, here's that sample again!" And no one's actually "playing" anything... someone programmed a sequencer to start that sample periodically. That's composition, not performance! There are almost no memorable Kraftwerk samples -- what is so memorable is their synthesis of things like trains and cars and bikes. So much cleverer, the difference between a photo and a drawing... Sampling is a useful tool, but one I use very rarely in such a literal fashion because it's so often so very dull. However, listen to http://www.slack.net/~tom/Highway.mp3 (it starts quietly, sorry for the high bandwidth but it needs it...) /t # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) New Indigo imports Date: 27 Mar 1999 23:13:26 +0000 The two most recent Kraftwerk-related Captain Trip releases are now also available as German imports via Indigo: a) 1-A Duesseldorf: Fettleber (feat. Thomas Dinger): Captain Trip/Fuenfundvierzig/Indigo CD 8737-2 b) Bluepoint Underground: BPU in New York City (feat. Eberhard Kranemann): Captain Trip/Fuenfundvierzig/Indigo CD 8738-2 Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) Technopop-83 Date: 27 Mar 1999 23:48:47 +0300 G. Benedikt Rochow wrote: > Having just heard this again from someone's mp3, > I cannot help but wonder if this is real, and where it came from? >From some bootleg CD.. The original source is a promo LP, I guess. > > At first hearing, it sounds rather like a remix, but > some of the elements, such as the singing, do seem to eb unique > to this piece - even the TdF-harp-like instrument plays a different > melody from what's in TdF. > So if it's true KW, how was it obtained? > I think it is true - it is known that unfinished technopop promo exists, and moreover it sounds very KWish and just like if it was done in the period between ComputerWorld and Electric Cafe.. I liked it actually, certainly it sounds like an unfinished version, but still pretty nice.. -- Best Regards Vladimir Ivaschenko http://www.hazard.maks.net/~hazard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry R LaCost Jr." Subject: (kw) The Warfield CD Date: 27 Mar 1999 19:07:11 -0800 Some of you have sent a request for the double CD. If I haven't replied back to you by now or if you're still interested, could you please send your request to me soon. Thank you Larry... ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) Technopop-83 Date: 27 Mar 1999 23:17:06 +0000 >> Having just heard this again from someone's mp3, >> I cannot help but wonder if this is real, and where it came from? > >>From some bootleg CD.. The original source is a promo LP, I guess. here we go again... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) introducing / remix+covers Date: 27 Mar 1999 21:29:48 -0700 (MST) On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, dirk-jan m=FCller wrote: > I just subscribed to this KW mailing list and it seems to be great fun! Welcome to the list. Try not to step in the bullshit. :) > I just overflown your discussion re: sampling / cover-versions... > Can anyone name a remix or cover-version which is nearly as good as the= =20 > original KW-One? I don=B4t. Only a few. I think Charlie Crash's MORE44ST.MP3 which he passed around here is an excellent reuse of large KW samples and is as enjoyable as KW. I also greatly enjoyed the track "More Automation" on Komputer's World of Tomorrow album.=20 Good remixes and covers (as opposed to just sample use or similar sounds as above) are hard to find, as you way. I've recently grown a great love for the Obrit Mix of Radioactivity, though I have no idea who made it - I doubt it's actually William Orbit. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam Beslove" Subject: (kw) Going back to Pre-Autobahn days for inspiration Date: 27 Mar 1999 22:57:18 -0800 Fellow Werkers-- This is my first posting to this list. I've been a Kraftwerk fan since 1974. I bought my first stereo cassette deck so I could record Autobahn from vinyl to tape as I kept wearing out the vinyl. I'm listening to Kristallo from Ralf & Florain right now. Until I downloaded the whole album in MP3 format a few weeks back, I hadn't heard it in 10 years. Still, I couldn't get it out of my head during that time. Try to imagen me in my office with headphones on, crying as I listen to it for the first time in 10 years. My assistant came in, saw me boo-hoo-hooing like my dog died and got really concerned. Side 1 of Ralf & Florain and side 2 of Autobahn are some of the most beautiful pieces of music I've ever heard. Up there in my top 10 with Beethoven's 9th. No fooling. No sarcasm. I also want to see Ralf & Florain go back to their early work for their inspiration and take those ideas into the future. Ralf? Florain? Are you listening? Make it a great day! Adam Beslove HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Technopop-83 Date: 28 Mar 1999 10:04:09 +0000 > > I cannot help but wonder if this is real, and where it came from? > > From some bootleg CD.. The original source is a promo LP, I guess. As it was discussed on this list about 50 times before, a promo LP for the "Techno Pop" album does not exist. (Any chance to add this to the FAQ file, Kevin? ;-) ). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nebulous@erols.com Subject: Re: (kw) Going back to Pre-Autobahn days for inspiration Date: 28 Mar 1999 12:04:46 "Adam Beslove" wrote: >I also want to see Ralf & Florain go back to their early work >for their inspiration and take those ideas into the future. >Ralf? Florain? Are you listening? Welcome to the list Adam, good to have you on board. I couldn't agree with you more that some of the earlier material ("Kristallo", "Tongebirge", "Morgenspaziergang", etc.) represents some of KW's most beautiful pieces of music. Unfortunately, I'd not expect to see Ralf & Florian drawing inspiration from them at this point in time. If we could use the past as any sort of a guide, they don't perform any song live which was pre-1975 with the exception of "Autobahn" itself. Furthermore, they've said in interviews that the earlier albums were more or less an experiment of sorts, just a more primitive stage in their evolution. It seems they're not as fond of their early work as some of us are. It's a shame too, there are still a couple of moments in "Megaherz" that get me misty. :) _____ Scott nebulous@erols.com #Kraftwerk, IRC's DALnet # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TiMeZeRo Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk mp3s again... Date: 26 Mar 1999 22:01:40 +0100 Hmm.. Im still searching for Kw1 kw1 and R und F mp3s. I got an old kraftwerk cd with some songs from the kraftwerk 1 album live, pretty old! I will=20 put out the 3 song from it to my site if anyone wants to download them. But my "cd music to mp3" program just #%T=A4&# so i will email the list when thats finished, but im still looking for at site=20 with old kraftwerks songs! GRRR! Mail if you know any, Daniel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) introducing / remix+covers Date: 28 Mar 1999 13:12:30 -0700 (MST) On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Tom Ritchford wrote: > >Only a few. I think Charlie Crash's MORE44ST.MP3 which he passed around > > do you have a URL for that MP3? You can grab it from: http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs/filez/ I'll leave the file online for about a week. Enjoy. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PITT Mike Subject: (kw) Homecomputer Live in 1981 ?? Date: 28 Mar 1999 20:23:00 +0100 hi, Having downloaded the video clip of Home Computer live 1981 form The Kraftwerk Media Centre, I wonder if this particular version of the track is available on a bootleg cd. It was done in the style of the live version of It's more fun to Compute and I havn't come across this version elsewhere. Mike. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dirk-jan müller" Subject: (kw) going back to pre-autobahn Date: 28 Mar 1999 09:31:15 PST I think it would be nonsense for KW to go back to their early work. It=B4= s=20 now some 30 years old, and technology has changed a lot. I still like=20 this old stuff very much. But, did anybody notice that the 2nd new Song KW played in Karlsruhe=20 1997 has much similarities with "Kristallo"??? Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam Beslove" Subject: (kw) 2nd new Song KW played in Karlsruhe 1977 Date: 28 Mar 1999 14:32:14 -0800 If that tune sounds like Kristallo, where can I get a copy on MP3? --Adam HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?TeVucyBTavZzdHJhbmQ=?=" Subject: SV: (kw) 2nd new Song KW played in Karlsruhe 1977 Date: 29 Mar 1999 00:48:28 +0200 >If that tune sounds like Kristallo, where can I get a copy on MP3? > >--Adam > You can download it from http://medstud.gu.se/~mair/lager/zkm2.zip but = I=B4m wondering if it worth the trouble, it will probobly make you cry = again :-( - M=E5ns Sj=F6strand # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Bailey" Subject: (kw) Re:New Kraftwerk Bootleg ? Date: 29 Mar 1999 11:44:21 +0100 On 27/03/99 Klaus Zaepke wrote: >Does anyone have any more information about this item? >Kraftwerk: CD "Tour de France (DJ only)". >No further details. This is one of the fairly recent remix/re-issues on a label that simply s= ays "for Dj's only" (I think its American), there are two mixes of "TDF" one = is the original and the other is the "Francis Kevorkian Remix". The flip sid= e is a track called "Computer Games", I am not sure if this is Kraftwerk or not (but I like it). Anyway you can buy this 12" and the "Numbers" re-iss= ue from http://www.sisterray.co.uk I think it is about =A37.99. Cheers Dannyb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Mills Subject: (kw) PaSc CD Date: 29 Mar 1999 14:38:04 +0100 HELLO WERKERS WORLDWIDE - I WOULD LIKE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTIONS TO A NEW ALBUM BY PSYCHOACOUSTIC SOUNDCLASH ENTITLED "AUTUMN/WINTER COLLECTION". NOT ONLY DOES THE ALBUM HAVE A HEAVY KRAFTWERK INFLUENCE RUNNING THRU IT, THERE IS A HOMAGE TO RALF AND FLORIAN ENTITLED "TRANS-PENNINE EXPRESS" (ABOUT THE JOURNEY FROM SHEFFIELD TO MANCHESTER). FOR MORE DETAILS CHECK OUT THE PaSc WEBSITE AT: www.pasc.syol.com Regards Paul Mills paulm@intercell.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: Re: (kw) Re:New Kraftwerk Bootleg ? Date: 29 Mar 1999 07:01:41 -0700 D. Bailey writes: The flip side > is a track called "Computer Games", I am not sure if this is Kraftwerk or > not (but I like it). Could be Yellow Magic Orchestra or Mi-Sex. DJFRANKX Pulsare und Quasare # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) TEE Rother Date: 29 Mar 1999 12:10:36 -0300 I don't remember if it was a previous subject here in the list, but yesterday I bought a 12" single with a really very nice remix of TEE by Anthony Rother. PSI49 NET - Produced and performed by Anthony Rother a. TEE Main Mix 7:39 aa. TEE Bonus Beats 5:52 PSI49-1 GEMA 1998 He has also a page: http://members.xoom.com/psi49net Any other info? Sorry if you talked about it. peace Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: Re: (kw) Technopop-83 Date: 29 Mar 1999 11:10:54 -0500 (EST) > As it was discussed on this list about 50 times before, a promo LP > for the "Techno Pop" album does not exist. (Any chance to add this to > the FAQ file, Kevin? ;-) ). Right. So where's this track from then? -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "NO europe and NO euro" Subject: (kw) kraftwerk Date: 29 Mar 1999 11:55:18 CEST So, Ralf or Florian are on this list? Well, let's lure them out then. He Ralf und Florian, euere Musik ist ganz schei=DFe, ihr seid schmutzige alte M=E4nner und jedermann ha=DFt euch. Ha! Well, that should do the trick... Oh, I have an LP: Autobahn. By EMI. Number EMC203. With a drawn-on dashboard. I think it's Australian. It bears no mention of a reprint. So what is it then? Also, can someone give me a website or e-mail address of CAPITOL records inc.? I have a reprint of Radio-Activity without Transistor on it. Greetings from sunny Holland, Matt :) www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palace/8922 =3Dmy site for Kraftwerk, Sex Pistols and humour. Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morten Moen" Subject: Re: (kw) Technopop-83 Date: 29 Mar 1999 16:12:26 +0200 >As it was discussed on this list about 50 times before, a promo LP >for the "Techno Pop" album does not exist. (Any chance to add this to >the FAQ file, Kevin? ;-) ). > > Klaus Zaepke And who declared you THE authority on Kraftwerk issues? You are of course entitled to your opinions but you shouldn't present them as facts. Morten. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) Technopop-83 Date: 29 Mar 1999 18:28:35 +0400 G. Benedikt Rochow wrote: > > As it was discussed on this list about 50 times before, a promo LP > > for the "Techno Pop" album does not exist. (Any chance to add this to > > the FAQ file, Kevin? ;-) ). > > Right. So where's this track from then? > Quoting Klaus... ----- > So where does this record come from then? I don't know for sure, but there's some indication that these demos were stolen from one of the New York studios Kraftwerk used in 1981/1982. -- Best Regards Vladimir Ivaschenko http://www.hazard.maks.net/~hazard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) Re:New Kraftwerk Bootleg ? Date: 29 Mar 1999 14:47:19 +0000 The flip side >is a track called "Computer Games", I am not sure if this is Kraftwerk or >not (but I like it). the track Computer Game is from 1979 self titled release by Yellow Magic Orchestra (Ryuichi Sakamoto, Yukihiro Takahashi, and Hideki Matsutake) and it's on Alpha/Horizon/A & M Records. lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (kw) [kw] Techno Pop Date: 29 Mar 1999 13:29:00 -0700 On Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 01:12:38PM -0500, Kent.Pendleton@choicepointinc.com wrote: > Check this out: > > http://www.allmusic.com/cg/x.exe?p=amg&sql=A42632 > > Strange that this non-album should have a listing. AMG's databases are far from definitive, because they accept info without vetting it. There's garbage in their entries for just about every artist I know anything about...and I'd be happy to provide examples. :-) -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: (kw) Technopop-83 Date: 29 Mar 1999 15:49:29 -0500 >I don't know for sure, but there's some indication that these demos >were stolen from one of the New York studios Kraftwerk used in >1981/1982. I worked for an engineer who'd had something to do with these sessions and he claimed that they spent some 40 hours of studio time on the kick drum track for one song only... That seems a little far-fetched but it's certainly on par with what I've heard about Kraftwerk's detail-oriented nature... /t # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Morgan" Subject: (kw) remix+covers Date: 29 Mar 1999 22:22:00 +0100 dirk-jan müller asked ... Can anyone name a remix or cover-version which is nearly as good as the original KW-One? yeah in my humble opinion Williams Orbit's remix of radioactivity was much much better than the Kraftwerks own remix on "the Mix" album.... and BTW it was William Orbit who remixed it ( the one that now works with Madonna. He wrote in an article that they personally asked him to remix it, but he never actually went to Dusseldorf, they sent him the tapes.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) remix+covers Date: 29 Mar 1999 17:04:36 EST In a message dated 29/03/99 22:24:46 GMT Daylight Time, open.mind@dial.pipex.com writes: << it was William Orbit who remixed it ( the one that now works with Madonna. He wrote in an article that they personally asked him to remix it, but he never actually went to Dusseldorf, they sent him the tapes.... >> it figures that Bill Orbit wouldn't go to Duesseldorf to remix a Kraftwerk track. Kraftwerk tracks themselves are - it seems (caveat for Klaus) - not mixed in Duesseldorf. I have posed this question before and not got an answer: is Kling Klang a recording studio, or what we we would now term a "programming suite" ? K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) Technopop-83 Date: 29 Mar 1999 18:13:07 +0000 >Quoting Klaus... > >----- > >> So where does this record come from then? > >I don't know for sure, but there's some indication that these demos >were stolen from one of the New York studios Kraftwerk used in >1981/1982. why did R+F goto New York, or any other studio for that matter when they have Kling Klang back home? any thoughts, Klaus? lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) remix+covers Date: 30 Mar 1999 01:33:11 +0400 Mike Morgan wrote: > yeah in my humble opinion Williams Orbit's remix of radioactivity was much > much better than the Kraftwerks own remix on "the Mix" album.... and BTW it > was William Orbit who remixed it ( the one that now works with Madonna. He While I agree that Orbit's remix is very nice, it doesn't sound like Kraftwerk. If KW released a remix like it on their album I would be disappointed. And by the way, I like Radioactivity from The Mix. Along with AutoBahn and T.E.E. they are the best songs in the album, in my opinion. -- Best Regards Vladimir Ivaschenko http://www.hazard.maks.net/~hazard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?TeVucyBTavZzdHJhbmQ=?=" Subject: SV: (kw) Technopop-83 Date: 30 Mar 1999 02:25:16 +0200 >why did R+F goto New York, or any other studio for that matter when = they >have Kling Klang back home? any thoughts, Klaus? Well, they wanted to incorporate the new devolpments in music = technology, midi, sampling and other things. As Karl Bartos later said = in interviews; they were quite lost in this field. Kling Klang was a = little bit out of date. Acording to Tim Barrs book they choosed a studio = called "The Power Station"(!), Klaus, you have probobly something to add = ;-) - M=E5ns Sj=F6strand # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: frank cason Subject: (kw) new to the list Date: 30 Mar 1999 19:33:31 -0800 Dear devotees to Kraftwerk: Hello, and hello to all of you. Allow me to introduce myself, My name is Kurt, but everybody calls me, "EtS," which refers to depeche mode's song Enjoy the Silence. I have been devoted to depeche mode, new order, the cure, smiths, morrissey, etc.. for about 10 years. I first heard about Kraftwerk through depeche mode's influences. Then I bought the mix by kraftwerk. The song stuck out on my mind was "Radioactivity.." which is one of the coolest songs by them. I have yet to hear more material from them. I'm also really big into artists like Moby, front 242, tangerine dream etc.. does anybody out there have any recommendations for me on other artists? Thanks for your time to read this letter.........- Kurt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "MuSiK" Subject: RE: (kw) Technopop-83 Date: 30 Mar 1999 11:52:06 +0200 >Acording to Tim Barrs book they choosed a studio called "The Power Station"(!), I can't believe :-) Do you think they choose this studio for its name ? Or it was rechristened for the boys ? MuSiK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent.Pendleton@choicepointinc.com Subject: RE: (kw) Technopop-83 Date: 30 Mar 1999 07:49:29 -0500 >Do you think they choose this studio for its name ? Or it was rechristened for the boys ?< Actually, The Power Station is one of the most well- respected studios in New York. They started as state- of-the-art and continually update their equipment to stay that way. It's no surprise at all that if Kraftwerk wanted to learn more about MIDI, sampling, and newer technology, that they would visit and/or record there. They aren't the only group to do so. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Herr Automat's periodical ramblings Date: 30 Mar 1999 14:27:52 +0200 Kraftwerk have been included in a compilation CD entitled "Electropop Essentials" published by MCA. And William Orbit is included in the "Plastic Compilation 2" CD released by Nettwerk records. Fektion Fekler have released a CD called "Kling Klang Bedlam" (Pendragon). In the CD "Deutsche Krieger" (Invisible) Andreas Ammer and F. M. Einheit (from Einstuerzende Neubauten) have took the base from Trans-Europe Express to built their own musical trip. It exists a CDs titled "10 Kleine Negerlein-Remixes" by Time To Time released by Electrola. It is from 1991/92. The original version is included on bootleg-CD Toccata Electronica. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) news on http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald/audio/mp3.htm Date: 30 Mar 1999 18:46:18 +0100 (CET) Hi, This week: Kraftwerk Radio-activity (Francois Kevorkian 12 Inch remix) Tour de France (Francois Kevorkian 12 Inch remix) Non Kraftwerk MP3's are: Simple Minds Someone, Somewhere in Summertime (Extended version) Promised you a Miracle (Extended version) Please note: this is the last time I will announce updates to my MP3 page on the Kraftwerk mailing list. This is because 1. I now put also other stuff to my page, and 2. Some people have asked me to stop E-mailing the KW list. So, if you want to be notified when my MP3 page is updated, please E-mail me and I will be more than glad to add your mail address to my mailing list. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Carlos Corchado Subject: Re: (kw) Technopop-83 Date: 30 Mar 1999 10:54:51 +0200 (CET) On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Morten Moen wrote: > > >As it was discussed on this list about 50 times before, a promo LP > >for the "Techno Pop" album does not exist. (Any chance to add this to > >the FAQ file, Kevin? ;-) ). > > > > Klaus Zaepke > > And who declared you THE authority on Kraftwerk issues? You are of > course entitled to your opinions but you shouldn't present them as > facts. Don't take this message personally, but an opinion is what you like, what you think is better, and so on. The existence of an album is a fact. If an official promo LP for the "Techno Pop" album would exist, someone in this list would have it or at least would have seen it, and it never happened (otherwise, he or she would be bragging about it). However, if some tapes were stolen, it could still be possible that a bootleg of the "Techno Pop" album exists. Any information about this? The demos of "Techno Pop" songs that I have heard don't seem to include a lot of samplers, while the "Electric Cafe" album has lots of sampling effects. This is consistent with what some people say: "Techno pop" was abandoned when Kraftwerk decided to use samplers. Am I right or those demos have more digital stuff than I can find? Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) remix+covers Date: 30 Mar 1999 17:15:21 EST In a message dated 30/03/99 01:47:36 GMT Daylight Time, missinglink@vortex.is writes: << What is a "programming suite"? >> an environment in which electronic music is created and committed to digital memory. The recording studio per se is an antiquated concept since in the case of electronic music no actual "recording" need take place... hence my hypothesis that Kling Klang is not in fact a recording studio. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Technopop-83 Date: 31 Mar 1999 10:04:19 +0200 Then it's time to start bragging!!! Well, to be precise, I haven't seen the record myself but a (close) = friend of mine claims he did. This was some time around 84-85 and my friend = was on vacation in London, UK. When returning back he directly phoned to tell = me what he'd found: A LP named Technopop by KW sold for =A3180. He knew I = really wanted that LP but =A3180 was too much for him (and it would have been = too much for me as well...). I don't know if this was a promo or bootleg = and of course I can't verify his story. One thing is for sure: If this was = true, =A3180 was a bargain. /Joakim -----Original Message----- On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Morten Moen wrote: ... If an official promo LP for the "Techno Pop" album would exist, = someone in this list would have it or at least would have seen it, and it never happened (otherwise, he or she would be bragging about it). However, if = some tapes were stolen, it could still be possible that a bootleg of the = "Techno Pop" album exists. Any information about this? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Morgan" Subject: RE: (kw) remix+covers Date: 31 Mar 1999 14:08:55 +0100 re> > I have posed this question before and not got an answer: is Kling Klang a > recording studio, or what we we would now term a "programming suite" ?Stange thing is that i will be visiting Dusseldorf tomorrow having travelled over from London to see friends there... I am told Kling Klang is near the station. i guess it will be funny if i walk right past it. but my belief is this... Kling klang is probably just a messy rarely used room full of old synths and equipment. and it is probably ( like most Kraftwerk mythology ) more interesting as a concept, fantasy and myth than it would be to see a desolate old room. I'm sure they probably write their music at home by now... if they are not out cycling or watching television or whatever else ordinary people do. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) remix+covers Re: (kw) New Kraftwerk Bootleg ? Date: 31 Mar 1999 15:25:38 +0200 On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Dirk-Jan M=FCller wrote: > Can anyone name a remix or cover-version which is nearly as good as the > original KW-One? I don=B4t. Really there are many few, I just could say some. If not as good as the K= W's at least interesting. "Tour de France" remixed by Francoise Kevorkian. "Don't Stop... Planet Rock" by Afrika Bambaataa. "Don't Stop... Planet Rock Classic Mix" by Elektric Music. "Blue Savannah Der Deutscher Mix" by Erasure. "Ruckzuck-Duesseldorf #3" by Ralf Doerper contained in "The Technocrats" 12". Daniel Bailey wrote: >On 27/03/99 Klaus Zaepke wrote: >>Does anyone have any more information about this item? >>Kraftwerk: CD "Tour de France (DJ only)". >>No further details. >The flip side >is a track called "Computer Games", I am not sure if this is Kraftwerk o= r >not (but I like it George Clinton got a song called "Computer Games". The CD "Hyperactive" by Thomas Dolby contains a song called "Airwaves" an= d another titled "Radio Silence". "Autopista" by Obus is included on the CD "El que mas", but I don't belie= ve that this song has got to do with Kraftwerk. Some months ago, it was released an album entitled "Esperanto. Las voces del milenio" (The voices of the millenium). Hector Seral released a track called "Robots" included on 4CD "Dance Sessions" (Max Music). I think it's a cover of the Kraftwerk song but I haven't listen it. There is a track called "The Robots" included on "Nueva dimension. El maravilloso sonido del synthesizer" ("New dimension. The wonderful sound = of the synthesizer") 2CD. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam Beslove" Subject: (kw) Kling Klang as myth and fantasy fodder Date: 31 Mar 1999 07:07:56 -0800 Mike's thoughts that Kling Klang is just a warehouse of dreams reminded me of my visit to the Taj Mahal a few years ago. After a lifetime of seeing pictures and idealizing the place, it turned out to be a pretty small, very old, amazingly photogenic mausoleum that looked much better from a distance than close up. The past ain't what it used to be. Adam Beslove HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dirk-jan müller" Subject: (kw) Kling Klang recording studio? Date: 31 Mar 1999 04:39:14 PST MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 30/03/99 01:47:36 GMT Daylight Time, >missinglink@vortex.is >writes: ><< What is a "programming suite"? >> > >an environment in which electronic music is created and committed to >digital >memory. > >The recording studio per se is an antiquated concept since in the >case of >electronic music no actual "recording" need take place... hence my >hypothesis >that Kling Klang is not in fact a recording studio. Kling is a recording studio, but KW sometimes went to other studios to mix down the multi-tracks. But the "MIX"-Ablbum was recorded and mixed at kling klang. Dirk Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dirk-jan müller" Subject: (kw) TEchnopop Demos Date: 31 Mar 1999 04:08:54 PST Jose Carlos Corchado wrote: >The demos of "Techno Pop" songs that I have heard don't seem to=20 >include a >lot of samplers, while the "Electric Cafe" album has lots of sampling >effects. This is consistent with what some people say: "Techno pop"=20 >was >abandoned when Kraftwerk decided to use samplers. Am I right or those >demos have more digital stuff than I can find? > >Jose In 1982 KW only had an emulator 1 which had only very limited 8-bit=20 sampling possibilities. (2 seconds sampling time). I don=B4t know if they= =20 had a fairlight, but this had also only limited sampling space. And why are there only 2 "Technopop" Demo-Tracks???? Dirk Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dirk-jan müller" Subject: (kw) rother Date: 31 Mar 1999 04:44:21 PST tg97 wrote: >I don't remember if it was a previous subject here in the list, but >yesterday I bought a 12" single with a really very nice remix of TEE >by >Anthony Rother. > >PSI49 NET - Produced and performed by Anthony Rother > >Sorry if you talked about it. > > >Nicolau Rother also did a remix of Nummern/Computerwelt 2 for the Space Night Vol.4 Compilation Album. (The Cover states: Written and produced by Hutter, Schneider, Bartos!?!?!) Dirk Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Kling Klang recording studio? Date: 31 Mar 1999 12:52:05 EST In a message dated 3/31/99 3:32:42 PM, dirkjm99@hotmail.com writes: <case of >electronic music no actual "recording" need take place>> But what about recording data to computer memory. . . . .it's like recording waveforms to analog memory on magnetic tape. . . .so it is a recording studio, whether it be waveforms or information. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Pitt" Subject: (kw) Tour De Kraft update Date: 31 Mar 1999 23:45:01 +0100 Hi, MP3's from the 1981 tour from the Computers in Love cd. Homecomputer Computer Love The Cover version is 'The Model' from the Treble Spankers. Think of 'The Shadows' as you listen to it!. Mike. Kraftwerk Live 1981 and Cover Versions. http://website.lineone.net/~mike.pitt/tdk.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) schneider tm (a band) Date: 01 Apr 1999 04:59:03 +0200 first, the kraftwerk topicness: in this message I will talk about a band called schneider tm. schneider is a german name and kraftwerk are german. also, kraftwerk members trademarked many things. two sundays ago Pansonic should have played a concert in Rome. actually their concert did not take place because one of the two member was completely drunk and almost destroyed his own stage. that was what I was told, because I left before. the concert was organized in a... mmmh, I don't know how to describe it... halfway between a squat and a selfmanaged unofficial club runned by people with politic involvement. we have many of these in Rome. sometimes these are boring places where people smoke a lot, have long hairs and sit in uncomfortable chairs. girs use to show tattoos and strange earrings, and have too long trousers. they don't dress this way the rest of the day. so the organization was a bit confused. I did not know if the guys I watched play were Pansonic or their support group. well, they were the support group, the schneider tm. I don't know anything about them. what they play is a sort of improvised techno-dance experimental-trance electronic music with two tb303 boxes and some effect. nice idea but after 45 minutes I was fed up. it was a sunday afternoon concert and I had a job meeting so I left with not so much regret. friends of mine told me later what really happened. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/