From: "xelius" Subject: (kw) Airwaves played with a theremin? Date: 01 Apr 2000 13:30:52 +0200 Rich Jansen wrote: >I'm still wondering by the way, if Airwaves is played with a theremin. >The song would be a good one to play with a theremin, both sound and >content wise. Why not ?! But , I think ,the perfect tempered tune we listen on the record improbably is obtained by the Etherophon. It is known as an untameable device and his classical sound be quite reproduced by analog synthesis. But if KwK have a theremin , why not use it in live performances? It's really magical on stage and its nostalgic misterious feel fits well with their image . May be an intriguing solution for an Airwaves remake !! I'll consider this input ! For those interested a low-cost theremin is at : http://www.paia.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Karl Bartos in Koeln, 31.05.2000 Date: 01 Apr 2000 18:12:13 +0000 Quoted from an advert in the April issue of Intro: Electronic Beats Moby Karl Bartos Moloko Rinocerose BT Computerjockey Phoneheads Donnerstag 31.05.00 Koeln Palladium 18 Uhr Tickets bei den bek. VVK-Stellen. Tel. Bestellservice und Infos: 0180-500 18 12 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Michael Rother News Date: 01 Apr 2000 18:12:13 +0000 The April issue of Raveline has an interview with Michael Rother and Dieter Moebius. Rother talks about his imminent new album (feat. vocals by Herbert Groenemeyer (sic!)), the possibility of touring again with Dieter Moebius in the summer and publishing a live album in the autumn. The same issue also has an interview with Anthony Rother, who speaks about his relation to Kraftwerk (he wanted to do some more Kraftwerk cover versions, but was stopped by their management) and how Karl Bartos did the "Little Computer People" remix for him. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk vs. Fluer Date: 01 Apr 2000 18:12:13 +0000 > Anyone with a bit of taste ignores the whole thing, in my opinion. > Who, in his right mind, would allow stories about his private life > be printed in book form, whether it's the truth or not? The affair goes beyond stories about private lives. For example, Kraftwerk demand that Fluer stops claiming that he has played drums on "Autobahn" or "Trans Europe Express", which is no private matter. > By the way, Schneider has a patent on the electronic drum pads > since 1975 (the looks actually), it's a bit late for opposite claims. The patent is probably not decisive in this context. A patent primarily grants the right to use an invention, but it doesn't directly affect the right to claim in a book that the invention was made by someone else. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Schumann -Airwaves-Hutter Date: 01 Apr 2000 18:12:13 +0000 > From: Rick Jansen > > > > If it was an unconscious, chance-filled coincidence that > > >Hutter happened to write the exact same melody in the exact same manner as > > >the late Mr. Schumann, then I'm the Pope's love-child. > > Great minds think alike they say. It can very well be that composers > end up with the same theme without borrowing from each other. The Airwaves > theme is not THAT big or complicated... The possibility that Kraftwerk did an exact reproduction of one of the most popular tunes in piano literature by pure coincidence can be ruled out IMO. This piece is part of the standard repertoire in music education, so it is extremely unlikely that Kraftwerk weren't aware of it. > From: "xelius" > > Obviously everyone knows that Hutter studied piano for years. No, at least not on an academic level, he actually studied architecture. But of course it doesn't require piano studies to know Schumann's "Merry Peasant". :-) > Another KwK quotation of classical piano pieces , less striking ,we can find > in Heimcomputer.( the big sequence starting after the vocal parts ). > This is a better arranged extrapolation from a very particular 12 > note group in a bar of a famous Chopin Valzer ( Op69 #1 ). Another, more indirect example for Kraftwerk quoting classical compositions is their concept of leaving the stage one after another in concerts, which is adapted from Joseph Haydn's "Farewell Symphony". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr. Telex" Subject: (kw) Is It Really Them ??? Date: 01 Apr 2000 07:37:13 GMT Hey guys, I just downloaded the Razormaid Mix of "Kling Klang" last night on Napster. My question is, is this really Kraftwerk ? It sounds a lot like them with a Depeche Mode beat (think "People Are People"). It's hard to tell if this is Ralf's voice on the track or not. I'm assuming that it's a very good sound-alike group. If not, then where did this track come from ? The Techno Pop seesions perhaps ? :-0 - Josh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vincent Smits" Subject: (kw) Anton Corbijn Date: 01 Apr 2000 11:03:11 PST >It looks like the pictures which are in a hotel in Sweden, I have a > >picture of them at: >http://home.swipnet.se/finarvas/musik/kraftwerk.html > >/Finarvas Yes those are very clearly Anton Corbijn Pictures. he's going to open his own website (when I do not know). Also on the 9th of April, an exibition of his work will open in Groningen, in the north of the Netherlands, hopefully the kraftwerk pictures will be included. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Airwaves played with a theremin? Date: 01 Apr 2000 20:23:45 EST probably not. I don't see why the segment in question could not have been played on a minimoog or an odyssey, both of which KW had. What I still don't get is why everyone seems to think that KW are such "mysterious" people in *reality* - sure it's an image. But my god - the voices on Radioactivity were done on an Orchestron, not some magical secret electro-voice module that KW discovered hidden in a bunker from WWII and revived to play their pseudo-nostalgic/future music......So it goes with their other gear as well........Kraftwerk used normal, available gear. Why should that take away from the fact that they created fantastic music? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Schumann -Airwaves-Hutter Date: 02 Apr 2000 03:52:59 +0200 On Sat, 1 Apr 2000 18:12:13 +0000, Klaus Zaepke wrote: >But of course it doesn't require piano studies to know >Schumann's "Merry Peasant". :-) > If someone could make a MP3 of this track, at least, the part that play like the Airwave tune. I have very poor knoledges on classical music. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Yamo.com Date: 03 Apr 2000 15:04:44 +0200 Found at www.yamo.com About Yamo Name : Marc Yuuichi Yamawaki Gender : Male Birthday : October 19, 1971 Location : Mountain View, CA Status : Single IS THIS A JOKE OR WHAT? DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) Yamo.com Date: 04 Apr 2000 17:01:21 +0200 No Joke. It's just a domain called "yamo.com", owned by Marc Yuuichi Yamawaki and not W.Fluer. Fluer has probably forgotten to save it for himself. Gunnar Der Automat wrote: > > Found at www.yamo.com > About Yamo > Name : Marc Yuuichi Yamawaki > Gender : Male > Birthday : October 19, 1971 > Location : Mountain View, CA > Status : Single > > IS THIS A JOKE OR WHAT? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andréas Hagström" Subject: (kw) re:Mp3(Anton Corbijn) Date: 04 Apr 2000 05:06:25 PDT I saw these four photografies on an excibition in G=F6teborg/Sweden and=20 Corbijn just wants 40 000 swedish kr each. That is around 4000=A3 /Andr=E9as ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "xelius" Subject: (kw) =?iso-8859-1?Q?4000_=A3__!!!_for_a_pic=3F?= Date: 05 Apr 2000 08:44:10 +0200 Wow, he knows how to put it over ! Smash your money-pig and begin to count 160,000 kr. I'll sell to you, for 10,000 kr, four heavy duty nails to hang up them on the wall. :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Lloyd Subject: Re: (kw) Videos Date: 05 Apr 2000 21:07:21 -0400 on 4/4/00 9:06 AM, kraftwerk-digest at Jason Polland wrote: >> The main reason for this post is to let the list members know I have a >> couple of videos up for download in mpeg format. >> Toby Cole > > Hi Toby! Thanks for putting up those two mpg videos! That was an act > of supreme coolness. I'd never seen either of them before. > > "Autobahn" was unbelievably psychedelic, I guess it makes sense > considering the time period. > > The host on "Top of the Pops" introduced Kraftwerk as "these > embarrassing buffoons"! I've never seen "Top of the Pops" before, is the > host usually sarcastic? Their apperance was great, though; their low-tech > robots are so uncommercial! The whole thing was surreal. > > ---Jason I never saw this particular video, but I really have to admit, and this is coming from a Kraftwerk fan of the past 20 years, they *are* embarrassing in this video. For a very long time I thought that Kraftwerk didn't take themselves very seriously, not that their music was a joke, rather, that it was playful and curious (Pocket Calculator for example). To see this video spectacle, however, I can only assume that their image has gone to their heads - these robots, who on the whole, are poorly moving, unchoreographed and totally asinine is beyond me; and this is what you use to represent yourself to a mass audience? To me, this is a snub: who cares about the thousands worldwide who bought our work, waited anxiously through the never ending stream of disinformation, and veritable drought of any tangible data. At best their reissue of old work, The Mix, was a joke, a sample of their new digital clean room recording studio. Expo 2000 is a totally enigmatic, dry, hopelessly boring and devoid of any talent offering from an aging group of men who *think* they're still defining musical paths. From the pictures I've seen of the two main characters in this charade, Hutter and Schneider, their douting, snarled faces with a perpetual scowl expresses no less a total talent exhaustion and boredom, but a realization that they've reached the end of their creative ladders. They've run out of ideas, and concepts. From what I can gather, they're focussing more on their own technological toys than their music. If they're not making music, what exactly do they do for a living? They certainly couldn't live on the Super Price sales of The Man Machine at the local HMV - $9.99 for a tired old disc that's been beaten to death by every hip, smart, and talented upstart in techno music. You want cool music? Try Air Liquide, or Autechre. They put more technology into making NEW music than Kraftwerk did in re-recording old stuff 6 years ago. Don't get me wrong - I still like Kraftwerk. The frustration of being a fan of theirs is terrible. fridge@sympatico.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JL Jones" Subject: (kw) submitted for your entertainment Date: 05 Apr 2000 22:31:02 -0400 bathe in the fluidic space that is spintronic new music for your entertainment magenta marcy's groove - the bonus beats mix @ www.mp3.com/spintronic # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "nate rogers" Subject: (kw) basskraft anyone? Date: 05 Apr 2000 19:10:50 EDT i hope i sent this the right way... has anyone heard the cd "basskraft"? its 'a bass tribute to kraftwerk' if you havent, dont cry because its horrible, and it almost degrades the name Kraftwerk! -Nate ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Videos Date: 06 Apr 2000 12:47:03 +0000 Bruce Lloyd wrote: > I never saw this particular video, but I really have to admit, and this is > coming from a Kraftwerk fan of the past 20 years, they *are* embarrassing in > this video. It's so naff it's actually quite amusing - they must have a sense of humour? Mustn't they...? > these > robots, who on the whole, are poorly moving, unchoreographed and totally > asinine Come on though, this is a _German_ cabaret act. One shouldn't compare Marlene Dietrich with Liza Minelli. :-) > From the pictures I've seen of the two main characters in this charade, > Hutter and Schneider, their douting, snarled faces with a perpetual scowl > expresses no less a total talent exhaustion and boredom, but a realization > that they've reached the end of their creative ladders. Herr Schneider always seems to be having a great laugh. Herr Huetter is more serious, but he is a rock star and is entitled... > They've run out of ideas, and concepts. The voice synthesis is aggressive. As I've opined previously, if they junked the robotic pop obsession they could perhaps produce some interesting experimental music along those lines. Alas, "We are Kraftwerk". They used to reinvent what that meant every few years, but now they seem stuck. > The Man Machine at the local HMV - $9.99 for a tired > old disc that's been beaten to death by every hip, smart, and talented > upstart in techno music. Funnily enough I was listening to this just the other night: inspired by a modern rip-off of 'Spacelab', I went back to check the original. It's far from tired. 'Neon Lights' could still be a pop/trance hit, despite all the hip smart-arses who have plagiarised this album over the years. > Don't get me wrong - I still like Kraftwerk. The frustration of being a fan > of theirs is terrible. Why? They have done their part in modern music, and, as you point out, there's plenty of other stuff to listen to - thanks in part to their work. If they make music in the old style we'll all be bored. If they make music in a new style (I wish they would) they'd no longer be the band that so many people expect. Regards Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com and .de Date: 06 Apr 2000 12:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) wrote: > It seems that R+F definitely gave up the domain > kraftwerk.com. > Try http://www.kraftwerk.com OK, what am I missing here? It's just the same as what's at www.kraftwerk.de. If all of a sudden there were a site there about German power stations (Kraftwerke...), then I might see your point, but what is it? Jeff __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Plasmic1@aol.com Subject: (kw) Pencilvania Date: 06 Apr 2000 15:28:26 EDT Hey guys, Do you know of anything roboticly stimulating to do in the Pittsburg area? I am here till Sunday. Space Daddy 9000 Apeman Robot Guy aka Sean Powell Niemeier Please excuse the low Kraftwerk relevence. Actually Pittsburg has historically had some of the largest and most productive "Power Plants" in the world. heh. * * * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: derrien@club-internet.fr Subject: (kw) Senor Coconut Page Date: 07 Apr 2000 09:08:39 +0200 http://www.towatei.com/fgm/german_dance/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: FW: (kw) Senor Coconut Page Date: 07 Apr 2000 10:30:42 +0100 Wow! Thanks Derrien. I've just ordered a copy through Tower Records. I love latino music, especially the cheesy variety. This is going to be fab! > http://www.towatei.com/fgm/german_dance/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com and .de Date: 07 Apr 2000 13:46:30 +0200 Err... surprise, surprise!!! When I went to kraftwerk.com few weeks ago, I got a totally other picture. There was written something like "this site is a placeholder for www.kraftwerk.com" Well, never mind. Was just temporary I think. Obviously it's back now. Gunnar Jeff Young schrieb: > > Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) wrote: > > > It seems that R+F definitely gave up the domain > > kraftwerk.com. > > Try http://www.kraftwerk.com > > OK, what am I missing here? It's just the same as > what's at www.kraftwerk.de. If all of a sudden there > were a site there about German power stations > (Kraftwerke...), then I might see your point, but what > is it? > > Jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) April 7th 1947 Date: 06 Apr 2000 15:19:59 +0200 Happy birthday Florian! DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) April 7th 1947 Date: 07 Apr 2000 16:11:27 +0200 Aaaahh! THANK YOU!!! I've totally forgotten... YEAH FLORIAN, alles Gute zum Geburtstag. Gunnar Der Automat wrote: > > Happy birthday Florian! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) ARIES RULES! Date: 07 Apr 2000 08:30:16 -0700 Que los cumplas feeeeeeeliz Que los cumplas feeeeeeeeeeeliz Que los cumplas Floooooooorian Que los cumplas feeeeeeeeeliz Feliz cumplea=F1os pelado! Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) The Videos Date: 07 Apr 2000 13:53:33 -0400 Oh, Kraftwerk. What a problem they are to follow. They never do what we think they should. The robots are embarrasing, never updated, (in a proper way). Their videos? Lets just say they aren't on a par with anybody else's videos. As people, they aren't exactly behaving the way we'd like them to either. Never coming forward to explain themselves properly. They don't produce music in the time frame we would like them to, and sometimes the music they DO finally produce isn't what we'd like it to be. They could be, should be pioneers for all time - they could lay claim to the technological advances in synth sounds, they could make the BEST videos and the BEST songs. But they don't... If only they'd listen to us. But seriously. In the words of the "Big Boys" - "Go start your own band." What is the point in complaining that an artist's output doesn't reflect YOUR tastes? Certainly, taste is an individual "thing", so you don't have to like everything somebody produces, but to take it as a personal insult is bizzare. To anxiously await the day your heros reclaim their lofty status and prove to the world that "OUR" taste is right is a waste of time and energy. And honestly, don't Kraftwerk offer enough clues regarding what they are "about". And does it seem like they have EVER been interested in doing anything other than playing with the rules and preconcieved notions of pop star behavior? Doesn't seem to me they've ever done what was expected - which is why I like them. Why would they want to start now? What would it do other than tarnish their image? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Martland" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk video Date: 07 Apr 2000 22:01:24 +0100 Fred Harding wrote 'Their videos? Lets just say they aren't on a par with anybody else's videos.' I agree with most things Fred said in his posting-but let's not forget the video for 'Music Non Stop' 1986. Groundbreaking and award winning at the time. Although maybe they should have actually shown it a little bit more! Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "xelius" Subject: (kw) Re:basskraft anyone? Date: 07 Apr 2000 23:02:01 +0200 nate rogers wrote: >has anyone heard the cd "basskraft"? its 'a bass tribute to kraftwerk' if >you havent, dont cry because its horrible, and it almost degrades the name >Kraftwerk! No, I hadn't heard this orrible thing . But I'm trying to contact a friend of mine that has a ( fortunately! ) rare copy of an italian Lp of KwK remakes , made in the early 80ies by a wicked italian dance producer.( I don't want to remind the Lp title and the name of the murder ) I can assure to all the werkers that he was going to put KwK's reputation under tons of shit! Could you immagine The Robots sung by a '70 dance style female choirus mixed over the original work???? When possible I'll do some sad samples of it in MP3 . Stay in tune. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Vega" Subject: (kw) Florian Date: 07 Apr 2000 18:04:15 -0300 From Argentina Happy birthday Florian! Juan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) The Videos Date: 08 Apr 2000 14:45:35 +0200 Well, I saw the EXPO2002-Video this morning and I must say I'm still strongly touched by KRAFTWERK. I heard so many people complaining "booo, no progress for 13 years" I really don't know what kind of progress they really have expected. Meanwhile I ask myself and I'm now talking only about myself: What would KRAFTWERK be worth for me, if KRAFTWERK would no more be like KRAFTWERK? I often like to term'em "MY KRAFTWERK". When I saw them live 1991 in Duesseldorf I could certainly say: "Yes, this is MY KRAFTWERK". And even for EXPO2000 I can say "This is MY KRAFTWERK". If I would see KRAFTWERK once and would have to say:"This is no more MY KRAFTWERK - ok, this was it"... I don't dare to think further. Let me tell you, I still like and love KRAFTWERK the way they are going now, though I'm disappointed because of the canceled EXPO-concert. And by listening to EXPO2000 I think "Damn, they CAN still do it, but why don't they." Gunnar Fred_Harding@idx.com wrote: They never do what we think they should. As people, they aren't exactly behaving the way we'd like them to either. Never coming forward to explain themselves properly. They don't produce music in the time frame we would like them to, and sometimes the music they DO finally produce isn't what we'd like it to be. What is the point in complaining that an artist's output doesn't reflect YOUR tastes? Certainly, taste is an individual "thing", so you don't have to like everything somebody produces, but to take it as a personal insult is bizzare. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) The Videos Date: 08 Apr 2000 16:48:13 +0200 Wess schrieb: > Well, I saw the EXPO2002-Video this morning and I must say I'm still > strongly touched by KRAFTWERK.(...) Uuuh - where the hell did they show it ;-)? MTV? VIVA? Will it be repeated sometime? Help ;-)! Greets from vienna, Georgie -- *-*-*- * "Wir sind die Roboter" + KRAFTWERK + http://www.kraftwerk.com * * EXPO 2000 + Mensch-Natur-Technik + http://www.expo2000.de * * * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) + ICQ: 53829477 * * http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ + phone/SMS: +436765621850 * *-*-*-* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) The Videos Date: 08 Apr 2000 17:56:23 +0200 Yes! Replay is tonight at VIVA - Berlin House, 23.00-00.00 MEST Gunnar Georg Jajus schrieb: > > Wess schrieb: > > > Well, I saw the EXPO2002-Video this morning and I must say I'm still > > strongly touched by KRAFTWERK.(...) > > Uuuh - where the hell did they show it ;-)? MTV? VIVA? > Will it be repeated sometime? > > Help ;-)! > > Greets from vienna, > Georgie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: FW: (kw) Kraftwerk video Date: 08 Apr 2000 16:59:52 +0100 I agree that the Musique Non Stop video is a good one -- and my favourite, along with Trans Europe Express -- but remember it was someone else's work (a US computer artist/researcher, I forget her name), albeit with KW's cooperation. ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: derrien@club-internet.fr Subject: (kw) Francois Kevorkian Remix CD Date: 08 Apr 2000 22:36:46 +0200 It seems that there's this one out now with a remix of "Homecomputer" included. JCFromParis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Sundkvist" Subject: Re: (kw) Florian Date: 08 Apr 2000 03:44:55 CEST >From Sweden: Grattis p=E5 f=F6delsedagen Florian! /Erik ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcus Fjellström" Subject: (kw) New weird Swedish Kraftwerk Comic Date: 09 Apr 2000 13:14:22 CEST Hello. I'm no longer a member of this fine mailing list, so I'm not sure = if=20 this mail makes it to the list. Let's hope so. First of all, I remember that some six months ago someone posted scans fr= om=20 a Swedish comic featuring Ralf H=FCtter. Well, the author of that comic=20 strikes again. In the latest issue of Swedish comic book "Galago" we have= =20 several pages of Florian Schneider as God. This is how it starts=20 (translated): "God is a left-handed office worker, and as you can see he=20 looks very much like Florian Schneider". From there on it just gets weird= er. Swedish members of this mailing list, who owns a scanner, might want to d= o=20 the Kraftwerk community a favour and make this comic available on the net. Before I leave - one question: Are there any plans of making an English=20 translation of "Ich war ein Roboter"? I bet there are thousands of non=20 German speaking people who would love to read it. Respect /Marcus ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Kiplinger" Subject: (kw) Tour De France Date: 09 Apr 2000 17:52:21 PDT I wish the Tour De France single was a lot more longer then 16 minutes. I mean KW could have put some remixes or more mixes from '83-'84 of it. But i have to admit that it's still a great single and i'm glad that EMI have re-mastered and released it on cd. I wonder what's next they will release? Jason ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cancerperson" Subject: (kw) expo 2000 Date: 09 Apr 2000 22:19:32 -0500 recently, i saw a british import of the expo 2000 cd on cdnow.com. i was wondering if any one has bought that and is it worth the cost for the video (i have the german import). thanks muchly brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Mills Subject: (kw) mp3 trade Date: 10 Apr 2000 11:34:54 +0100 Hello Werkers - I have an album encoded in mp3 format called "Kraftwerk Rarities Vol.3" available - I can only email the files and can only receive by email so if anyone wants any of the following tracks you'll have to have sufficient email power. The track listing goes: 1. Technopop (original 1983 full length version) 2. Lichtof (live San Francisco 98) 3. Mini Calculateur 4. Numbers (live TG 97) 5. Pocket Calculator (live TG97) 6. TEE (live TG 97) 7. Tour de France (French language remix) 8. Airwaves / new song (live Tokyo 98) 9. Boing Boom Tschak (DJ Compute remix) 10. Home Computer (DJ Compute remix) 11. Ohm Sweet Ohm (live Paris 81) 12. Expo2000 jingles 13. Robotronik Volumes1,2 and 4 coming up soon - I need the following mixes to complete volume 5 : "Tour de France" (original FRENCH 6:30 mix) "Radioactivity" (ORBIT 7 inch mix - English version only) "Der Telefonanaruf" (REMIX 8:10) If any kind person could either make these available somewhere or email to me I'd be most grateful - I want to create a database of all non available Kraftwerk tracks for everyone to get their hands on - if anyone's got lots of webspace and / or is interested in helping me on this - it's about time something like this happened. Regards Paul Mills paulm@intercell.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "micROBOT" Subject: (kw) a short introduction ;-) Date: 10 Apr 2000 14:04:10 +0200 hi kwf's ! now i'm also on this mailing list ! ;-) some of you might know me ( & recognize me ;-) as the "incredible" micronaut ! ( or under various other "disguises" ! ;-) for those of you who didn't know ME by now : i'm a 33 years old male from bremen in germany & "slightly" addicted to kraftwerk & related stuff ! ;-) well ... i think that's enough "personal" info for now ! ;-) btw : for those of you who didn't know IT by now : i'm also runnin' a newsgroup & a guestbook for all kwf's ( kraftwerkfans ;-) in the webwideworld !!! ;-) here are the addresses : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans ( the kwf newsgroup ;-) www.1-2-3-gaestebuch.de/buch.gb?benutzer=docjones ( my "special" kwf guestbook ;-) if you join the kwf newsgroup & become a member of it you'll also be able to get into our kwf chat(room) !!! usually we have one weekly "meeting" there every sunday @ 21:00 cet ! check it out if you like !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT a.k.a. the "incredible" micronaut alias el doctore jones ;-) c u soon !? bye 4 now ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cancerperson" Subject: (kw) expo2000 Date: 10 Apr 2000 08:24:04 -0500 thanks for the info Erik! i deffinately look forward to buying it now! brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Kiplinger" Subject: (kw) Europa Endlos ...... Date: 10 Apr 2000 01:01:50 PDT Europe Endless has to be the best song ever made by KW. Next that would be Tour De France and Numbers. Name your favorites?????? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Spectre" Subject: Re: (kw) Europa Endlos ...... Date: 10 Apr 2000 11:19:19 -0400 Tour de France has to be my personal favorite, then Neon Lights and Computerlove. Ruckzuck is really cool too, esp. Florian's flute riffs. Cheers, Chuck > >Europe Endless has to be the best song ever made by KW. Next that would be >Tour De France and Numbers. Name your favorites?????? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Plasmic1@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Europa Endlos ...... Date: 10 Apr 2000 11:49:31 EDT Space Daddy 9000's Present Favorites 1)Robots 2)Pocket Calculator 3)Model 4)Computer Love Pretty Basic. . .however I find myself craving these alhpa-numerical-sound- vibration-experimentations on a regular basis. *I want to trade a excellent Multi-artist Robot mix for a Best Of Kraftwerk mix. I have CD Burner.. .but will except high quailty audio tape or MP3's. Anyone interested? ? ? Contact me privately. Secret Agent Space Daddy 9000 Ape Man Robot Guy aka Sean Powell Niemeier * Also interested in any robotic paraphinalia, Kraftwerk videos, etc. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) mp3 trade Date: 10 Apr 2000 18:29:21 +0200 What excatly do you mean with "full length version"? The longest version I know is about 4.20. Does anybody know a longer one? Gunnar Paul Mills schrieb: > 1. Technopop (original 1983 full length version) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) Europa Endlos ...... Date: 10 Apr 2000 18:30:05 +0200 Die Roboter (1978) Nummern (1991 live) Radiosterne / Die Sonne, der Mond, die Sterne (1975 live) It's More Fun To Compute (1981) Taschenrechner (1991, live in D'dorf) ... well, actually every KRAFTWERK song is my favourite ;-) Gunnar Jason Kiplinger wrote: > > Europe Endless has to be the best song ever made by KW. Next that would be > Tour De France and Numbers. Name your favorites?????? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: FW: (kw) Europa Endlos ...... Date: 10 Apr 2000 17:36:53 +0100 Favourite song? Heimcomputer/Home Computer =96 analogue version =96 played = VERY LOUD through a good set of speakers.=20 ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Europa Endlos ...... Date: 10 Apr 2000 17:45:33 +0000 Jason Kiplinger wrote: > Europe Endless has to be the best song ever made by KW. Fair enough, but why is that? > Next that would be Tour De France and Numbers. OK. Why? > Name your favorites?????? Maybe you could get the debate rolling by discussing yours? Regards K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) Europa Endlos ...... Date: 10 Apr 2000 10:50:17 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Jason Kiplinger wrote: > Europe Endless has to be the best song ever made by KW. Next that would be > Tour De France and Numbers. Name your favorites?????? Pretty much all of them except Autobahn. How a group as good as KW could have produced Autobahn I'll never know. Even robots make mistakes I guess. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Europa Endlos ...... Date: 10 Apr 2000 19:06:29 +0200 On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:50:17 -0600 (MDT), Soleil Lapierre wrote: > >Pretty much all of them except Autobahn. How a group as good as KW could >have produced Autobahn I'll never know. Even robots make mistakes I guess. > oh no. I love Autobahn ! Fantastic track, really one of my favourite. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "micROBOT" Subject: (kw) my favorite kw trax or songs ;-) Date: 10 Apr 2000 18:21:06 +0200 hi kwf's ! jason kiplinger asked for the favorite kw trax or songs ;-) ... well ... here are mine ( changes from time to time ;-) : 1.) ohm sweet ohm ( my favorite lullaby by kw ! btw : i was 8 years old when the song came out & my mom played it to me ! ;-) 2.) computerliebe ( i prefer the german version ! to me it's a very romantic & melancholic song ... & that's why i really like it ! ;-) 3.) der telefon anruf ( see 2.) ! ;-) 4.) tour de france ( francois kevorkian remix ! to me it's one of their best "dance" trax or songs ever & very energetic too ! ahhh ahhh !!! ;-))) 5.) neonlicht ( see 2.) ... once again ! ;-) not in "competition" ... but also worth mentioning : the tg '97 track their first really new "song" for a decade !!! also very energetic & "dance-able" as well ! i really hope that kw will release it "sometime" ( in the near future ;-) !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT a.k.a. the "incredible" micronaut alias el doctore jones ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Autobahn dead loss? Date: 10 Apr 2000 18:11:05 +0000 Soleil Lapierre wrote: > Pretty much all of them except Autobahn. How a group as good as KW could > have produced Autobahn I'll never know. Even robots make mistakes I guess. FWIW, I still like this one a lot. Why? I'm glad I asked. :-) For the sounds used (they are understated yet rich, unlike many "synth" records of the time), the mix (well done Connie Plank) and the narrative (there is a sense of "story" here, reflected in the variations on the theme). Go on someone, disagree, let's have a proper discussion on this list for once. ;-) Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn dead loss? Date: 10 Apr 2000 12:16:14 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Kevin Busby wrote: > > Pretty much all of them except Autobahn. How a group as good as KW could > > have produced Autobahn I'll never know. Even robots make mistakes I guess. > > FWIW, I still like this one a lot. Why? I'm glad I asked. :-) For the sounds > used (they are understated yet rich, unlike many "synth" records of the > time), the mix (well done Connie Plank) and the narrative (there is a sense > of "story" here, reflected in the variations on the theme). Perhaps I use a different definition of "rich", but I find the sounds of Autobahn rather bland. Very generic for the most part, though they did a competent job with the horn and car motor effects. I have to disagree in both directions on the narrative point. In the first place, I dislike "story" in music because it distracts from the music itself. Second, I don't think Autobahn has much in the way of story. We like driving on the Autobahn. That's about it. Trying to read more into it seems silly to me. > Go on someone, disagree, let's have a proper discussion on this list for > once. ;-) Never happen. :) -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KL Subject: (kw) Re: Kevin Lux cover on CD! Date: 10 Apr 2000 11:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Greetings and to all members, Just a note to say the Club Lux version of the Europe Endless cover is now available on CD as one of the tracks contained in the new album "Emancipation". As mp3 format does not truly do any of Kevin Lux music justice for those interested in such quality, this is the only way to obtain the original mastered version. The mp3 encoded format Kraftwerk cover songs are still available at: http://www.kevinlux.com/KW.htm Kind regards, Kevin Lux promotion team http://www.kevinlux.com Emancipation info: http://www.kevinlux.com/KevinLux35.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greyseason@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Europa Endlos ...... Date: 10 Apr 2000 17:10:59 EDT Favorites of mine: Klingklang, Trans Europa Express, Kommetenmelodie 2, Nummern, Vom Himmel Hoch. Not neccessarily in that particular order. Sam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greyseason@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn dead loss? Date: 10 Apr 2000 17:13:59 EDT busbykg@hhs.bham.ac.uk writes: <> I wish that I could help you out, but I agree totally. Anything Plank-related I've come across has been fantastic. Sam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "xelius" Subject: (kw) R:Europe Endless Date: 10 Apr 2000 23:50:10 +0200 The favourite track list of Xelius is: I) The man machine II) It's more fun to compute III)The robots (78) IV)Radiostars,Ruckzuck,TransEuropeExpress. V)Antenna, Taschenrechner (81), neon lights. VI)Heimcomputer; TransEuropeExpress,showroom dummies. VII)Radioactivity, Radioland ,Metropolis, Megahertz, Computer liebe. VIII)Nummern,The Robots(91), Autobahn(74),The telephone call. IX)Kometenmelodie 2,The model, Spacelab. X)Tanzmusic,Computerwelt 1,Musique non stop, Tongebirge, Heimatklange, Kristallo. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian Tyson" Subject: (kw) The Emporer's new clothes Date: 11 Apr 2000 00:46:17 +0100 -----They never do what we think they should. The robots are embarrasing, never updated, (in a proper way). Their videos? Lets just say they aren't on a par with anybody else's videos.------ Haven't seen the Expo video but I think all the previous videos have been exceptionally well done. The videos always compliment the music, and never detract from it. To me this is what pop video should be about. The Model and The Phone Call provide a minimal understatement to the music, but Musique non Stop and Trans Europe Express emphasize the power in the music with sharp graphic imagery in perfect time to the music. Too often videos attempt to be clever and tell their own story using the music as a mere soundtrack. The robots are a wonderful piece of kinetic art. Why do so many people think they should be more technologically advanced. It is art not science- KW may make use of science and technology but what they produce is art. The KW robots are not a piece of hi-tech engineering for the purposes of producing a replacement human. That's why they did not bother to clothe the robots. They are supposed to look like robots. And they are not trying to emulate Terminator or any other flashy boring, its new technology so we better use it, style of sci-fi robot. The KW robots have style, sensitivity and aesthetic value. Like Dr Who's Tardis or a Heath Robinson creation it is not science it is art. ------To anxiously await the day your heros reclaim their lofty status and prove to the world that "OUR" taste is right is a waste of time and energy.---- As far as I'm concerned they already have claimed their status. Tribal Gathering, a young up front music festival headlined by four aging classically trained German musicians is bizarre. Especially when so much of the current dance music is arrogance, fronted by boastful MCs (i'm not saying this not OK just different from KW). For KW to headline a festival like this, without hype, without even saying a word when they are on stage. To even confront a mass audience with robotic images of themselves, and to pull it off with such success. Well that is a kind of intellectual arrogance. MCs and DJs put other people down, talk themselves up, and KW silently claim their crown. No matter how young this audience is, no matter how old KW are, there was no explanations required. It is clear they have lofty status in these circles. ---Doesn't seem to me they've ever done what was expected - which is why I like them.---- Here, here. A good artist will never compromise. I respect KW as artists rather than mere pop stars. I don't demand that KW entertain me. I don't make consumer demands for more products. I don't expect the expected. I only insist on integrity, and if that means no more records, no more shows, then so be it. KW have done enough. I want more but I'm not greedy. favourite songs? (and why?) OK: Neon Licht - because it shimmers. Europa Endlos- because it is a very pleasant journey Tour De France- because I like to feel my legs hurt. Telephone Call- because it's good to communicate, without the phone! ian t # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) my personal favorites Date: 10 Apr 2000 17:02:09 -0700 I like many of their songs, but these three rank among my favorites: * It's more fun to compute. Powerful, raw, take no prisoners percussion. Simply Amazing! * Computer Love. What a sweet catchy melody this one is. Pretty lovely. Made of just the right ingredients. * Neon Lights. Close your eyes and enjoy the ride. Don't try it when driving though. I don't know about you guys, but when I play KW on my car I tend to forget what I'm doing, where I'm going, and even what the person sitting next to me is saying! Enrique NP: Space 'N Base. Men in Space # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) The Emporer's new clothes Date: 10 Apr 2000 17:29:51 -0700 >Too often videos attempt to be clever and tell their own story >using the music as a mere soundtrack. That's an excellent point. Few videos make accurate depictions of the songs they're trying to promote... These days bands are shown in an array of differently-colored cubical rooms, with over-exposed lighting effects, inappropiate slow-motion and sped-up effects, and, thanks to the rapidly-shriveling attention span of MTV's viewing audience, no single scene appears for more than a few seconds. I've only seen a couple Kraftwerk videos, but "The Robots" is one of my favorite music videos. It's brilliant because it depicts the exact mood of the music. Four automatons performing their song. No gratutious lighting effects or irrelevant sex. Just total functionality. > The robots are a wonderful piece of kinetic art. Why do so many >people think they should be more technologically advanced. It is art not >science- KW may make use of science and technology but what they >produce is art. The KW robots are not a piece of hi-tech engineering >for the purposes of producing a replacement human. Well said. Kraftwerk wrote a song about robots, and the robots were created to LOOK like robots. Modern engineering could create robots that look like people, but that would defy the point! The idea is not to show robots that APPEAR human; rather, it is to show robots that EMULATE humans. There's a big difference. And like Ian said... It's ART, not science. It's hard to choose favorite KW songs, because I love all of them. There is not a single track produced by KW that I don't enjoy. But it's fun reading everybody's favorites, so here are some of mine: Hall Of Mirrors - Thoughtful lyrics combined with decidedly non-pop music. The Man-Machine - I love all the percussive sound effects! Vocoder too. Radioactivity (The Mix version) - The original is great, but the Mix version is truly apocalyptic and dark. The technology of 1991 helped them to present a more forboding, frightening message. Techno-Pop 1983 Demo - I can scarcely explain how impressed I am by this track, except to say that each time I listen to it, without fail, chills run down my spine. I heard the Mix and Electric Cafe versions first, of course. Maybe because it's a part of the legendary "Techno-Pop" album which is shrouded in mystery... Ohm Sweet Ohm - This track is beautiful. Metropolis - It's perfect. Computer World - What an exciting song! The stereo panning of the bassline is delightful. Tour De France - This is a unique and inspired song. I really like the instrument patches... The two distinct bass lines, the electronic harp, the choruses, the percussion sounds, the seemless meshing of sound effects. Sex Object - Orchestral string instruments are among my favorites, plus this song has such a wry sense of humor. I couldn't stop laughing the first time I heard it! Kraftwerk have a great sense of humor. Pocket Calculator - Such well-crafted electronic sounds. Autobahn - A symphony by Hutter and Schiender. I enjoy every version, be it the original, the Mix version, or the three live versions I have (75, 81, 98). Rucksack - This song rocks! That repeating organ part is so awesome. Numbers - I really dig the live versions of this song, moreso than the studio version! Computer Love - Such a sad song of loneliness... I like sad songs... Okay, I'm about to list thirty more songs, so I had better quit now. :> ---Jason Polland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Kiplinger" Subject: (kw) Q&A Date: 10 Apr 2000 09:17:24 PDT Do you think the band Skinny Puppy was influenced by KW? If you don't remember Skinny Puppy check out their site and go through their videos at http://www.fullnet.com/u/bpiper/sp/spnoize.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Kiplinger" Subject: (kw) Europa Endlos ......Part 2 Date: 10 Apr 2000 15:10:30 PDT Some KW fans want to why "Europe Endless" and "Tour De France" are my favorite KW songs, well i'll tell you why! Reason #1) Europe Endless opens the "Trans Europe Express" LP and sets the whole stage for the album and the KW genre for many years to come. I mean, come on if you listen to the "Trans Europe Express" LP, do you skip songs? or do you listen to the whole album? Me, I can listen to that album so many times that i'll listen to it again. But back to Europe Endless, Europe Endless contains all the KW elements that you'll need, Example... 6 minutes or longer, plenty of those keyboard riffs that you will remember for the rest of your life, a good beat and some good lyrics but not too complex. Same thing goes for "Tour De France" (see example). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn dead loss? Date: 11 Apr 2000 09:45:22 +0000 Soleil Lapierre wrote: > Perhaps I use a different definition of "rich", but I find the sounds of > Autobahn rather bland. Listen to the way in which that low-pass filter opens up the bass... No? OK, each to their own! > I have to disagree in both directions on the narrative point. In the first > place, I dislike "story" in music because it distracts from the music > itself. Second, I don't think Autobahn has much in the way of story. We > like driving on the Autobahn. That's about it. Trying to read more into it > seems silly to me. Actually I think you are reading more into my post than I intended! But that's my fault for not being clear. When I wrote ""story"" (in quotes!) I did not mean it literally. 'Neon Lights', 'TEE' and 'Europe Endlos' also have a "narrative" feel to me, in that (_musical_) themes are developed and transformed in a gradually unfolding manner. Yes, 'Autobahn' would make a lousy novel. But figuratively speaking, the listener is taken on a "route", ending up at a different location. The declared "motorway" theme is unavoidable but not the kind of narrative I meant. Enrique Correa wrote: > * Neon Lights. Close your eyes and enjoy the ride. Yes, even a song "about" lighting can do it! >> Go on someone, disagree, let's have a proper discussion on this list for >> once. ;-) > > Never happen. :) You never know! :-D K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Mills Subject: (kw) KW rarities vol.3 Date: 11 Apr 2000 11:09:34 +0100 No more requests for mp3 by email please - Ralph at TOTK Sports has very kindly offerred to put the files on his ftp server so I'm sending the files to him. I still need Tour de France original 1983 French version (6:30 in length) - if anyone can email it or put it on an ftp server I'd be most grateful. Cheers, Paul M. paulm@intercell.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Kw records Date: 11 Apr 2000 13:25:16 +0200 FYI, a record shop from Barcelona (Spain) has several KRAFTWERK items, such as "Disco best" SPRO8865, "Instore sampler" KRAFT001, "Kraftwerk 2" OG S6305117, "Kraftwerk 2" DEL 6305117, "Kraftwerk" DEL 6305058, "Ralf & Florian" VEL2006, "Ralf & Florian" DEL 6305197, "Remake - RED" 12KRAFT02, "Schone neue welt..." 9401, "Ultra rare trax" CD123, ORGANISATION "Tone float" 941000, Elektric Music's Esperanto, Yamo's Musica Obscura, and also several issues by HARMONIA, KLAUS DINGER, KLAUS SCHULZE, KLUSTER, LA DUESSELDORF, LA! NEU?, NEU!, MANUEL GOTTSCHING, MICHAEL HOENIG, MICHAEL KAROLI, MICHAEL ROTHER, and many more. Wah-Wah wah-wah@mx3.redestb.es DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Mirwais Date: 11 Apr 2000 15:42:46 +0200 "Disco Science" by Swiss musician Mirwais contains samples from Radio Sterne by Kraftwerk. Mirwais is currently involved in producing tracks for the new Madonna album after a copy of "Disco Science" was passed onto Madonna's Maverick label. He 's also fulfilling promotional duties for his own album "Production" (Sony). It'll be winging it's way to a store near you on 1st May. "Disco Science" is released on 24th April. And it will be available on 12" and on 2 CDs. Born to an Italian mother and Afghanistani father, Mirwais Ahmadzai grew up in Paris listening to Jimi Hendrix and The 'Stones, who inspired him to take up the guitar. Then punk happened. "For a teenager, the late 70s were a strange mixture of disco music and punk. And it was OK to like them all," insists Mirwais. At 17, he formed a band with like-minded contemporaries who were fans of Kraftwerk but who also wanted to capture the "energy of disco" in their music. The result was the seminal French band, Taxi Girl in which Mirwais played lead guitar. We weren't in the music business to make money," stresses Mirwais. "We sold a lot of singles in France but we didn't control anything." http://www.sonymusiceurope.com/artistbrowser/artistbrowser.php3?id=3006939&l =eng DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cancerperson" Subject: (kw) faves Date: 11 Apr 2000 08:58:22 -0500 1) Radio-activity 2) Tone Float 3) Man Machine 4) Morganspatziergang cp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "micROBOT" Subject: (kw) autobahn & stuff ;-) Date: 11 Apr 2000 16:59:16 +0200 hi kwf's ! well ... i know german is a really "cruel" language ( just as "englisch" ! ;-))) ... but i love to see such "interpretations" of kw titles like "rucksack" instead of 'ruckzuck' ( i must admit that i really laughed my ass off !!! *ROTFL* ;-))) & "morganspatziergang" instead of 'mogenspaziergang' !!! ;-))) btw : "rucksack" in english is pretty much the same as in german !!! but 'ruckzuck' is just a german slang for doin' somethin' " very fast " !!! anyway ... kevin busby wants to start a debate on this list about WHY 'autobahn' is a good song or maybe not ! ;-) so here we go ... i personally think IT IS a good song ( instrumentation / arrangement / production / mixing ( well ... it's done by conny plank - a "real" master of skills !!! ;-) , but ... IT IS "slightly" too looong !!! over 22 min. ! *WHOOSH* !!! ;-))) i prefer the much shorter & more "modern" orientated version of '91s ' the mix ' instead ! ;-) to me it's the same with the "newer" versions of 'radioactivity' & ' musique non-stop ' ! they are much more "powerful" than the "originals" ! but for " the rest " of ' the mix ' compilation-album i must admit that i really think it sounds a bit "cheap" in production ! therefor i prefer the "originals" of the other trax or songs ! ;-) btw : my favorite album of kw still remains ' ralf & florian ' !!! ( the "nucleus" of kw ! ;-) WHY THAT ??? well ... i think they never ever had sooo much humor & fun again as on this particular album !!! ;-))) just listen to ' ananas symphonie ' or any other track ( or "song" ;-) on this really *funny* album !!! to me it's a shame that they didn't want to re-release it again !!! :-/ however ... many greetinx from micROBOT a.k.a. the "incredible" micronaut alias el doctore jones ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr. Telex" Subject: (kw) Top Faves Date: 11 Apr 2000 06:56:03 GMT I love everything KW, but here are my all-time faves : (In no particular order) 1) Telephone Call (remix) - I love the lead melody; it's such a beautiful song. Karl does an awesome job of singing too. 2) Numbers - Without Kraftwerk, the whole genre of electro wouldn't exist. I don't think anyone could argue otherwise. This is one of those golden moments in music that started a whole new revoultion. I can't even count how many artists have ripped this song off along with TDF (Egyptian Lover, Salt N' Pepa, Ready For The World; etc. etc. etc.) 3) Computer Love - Too beautiful for words. 4) (Tie) Radio Stars/Uranium - So hypnotic; so moody. I get goose bumps everytime I hear these songs. 5) The Robots - Pure Deustchland funk. 6) Mitternacht - Again, another one of those dark classics. 7) Tongebirge - So peaceful and uplifting. A perfect track to sit down and drift away to while contemplating the mysteries of life. 8) Kristallo - It's so loose in structure, yet it's so enchanting. 9) Techno Pop (1983 Demo) - So much better than the EC version. 10) Tour De France - Infectious, sexual, pumping rhythms. - Josh :-P NP : Prince vs. Fatboy Slim - When Doves Cry ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: (kw) Videos Date: 11 Apr 2000 11:37:57 GMT Hello Kraftwerk people, I rememebr sometime ago someone did some videos for a live version of Man Machine and BoingBummTschak. They were rather good, and the producer obviously spent a lot of time syncing everything together. I have a fast connection right now, and would like to get them! They were 17 and 20 meg each, I think... Cheers all! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Serjeant" Subject: (kw) Fave KW Date: 11 Apr 2000 11:00:43 BST Favourite KW tracks: 1) Europe Endless - at the risk of sounding like a complete anorak . . . I was once listening to TEE on my walkman on the train ;-) and this track lasts exactly the length of time it takes a Midland Mainline "High Speed" Train to travel from Leicester to Loughborough. I discovered this completely by accident(honest), and it was a bit spooky to hear the music speed up and slow down in time with the train. 2) Numbers/Computer World 2 - Un! - Uno! - Deux! - Dos! - Trois! - Quattro! Off my favourite KW album (with the exception of Computer Love which is one of my least favourite KW tracks) The bit where Computer World reprises at the end of Numbers is one of the finest moments in contemporary music - a really warm sound. 3) The Robots (Mix version) - some groovy sounds, and a fantastic remix. 4) Radio Activity (Mix version) - just for the overblown pomposity of it. Other current faves: It's More Fun To Compute (eerie), Ruckzuck (flute), Expo 2000 (just as a vote of confidence) cheers! Dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Finarvas Subject: (kw) Favourites (WAS Europe Endlos) Date: 11 Apr 2000 17:13:45 +0200 Well I do like almost every kraftwerk song except for the stuff before autobahn and ohm sweet ohm (I hate that song.. theis played with something that sounds like those electric pianos they use at hockey games) but my absolute favourites are: 1. Bong Bum Tsachk (Great lyrics.. great song) 2. Techno Pop [Electric Cafe version] (I like the industrial sound of Electric Cafe and Techno Pop has captured it well) 3. Pocketcalculator (The sounds are.. cool) 4. It's more fun to compute (Again I love the sounds) 5. Europe Endless (I think this song sounds very optimistic and I often get very happy when I listen too it) /Finarvas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) communication version 3.0 Date: 11 Apr 2000 17:44:36 +0200 hi there ! back in '97 ( after i've seen kw @ tribal gathering ! ;-) i've written this text ( version 1.0 ;-) & send it off to florian schneider , but he refused to use it ! ( also the followin' versions 2.0 ( '98 ) & 3.0 ( '99 ) ;-) some weeks ago i've send this text to anthony rother ( of psi49net ;-) ... but i didn't get any reply until now ! :-/ now i've decided to post it onto this mailing list & see what's happenin' ... ;-) if someone of you is interested to use this text feel free to contact me privatly ! so here's the text ... COMMUNICATION die stimme / der ton das bild / die information das wort / der text mit jedem unser wissen wächst wir hören & sehen lernen zu verstehen wir gestalten & normen unsere welt aus farben & formen die schrift / das zeichen wir stellen die weichen für den datenfluss ... wir treffen eine wahl analog oder digital ? wir senden ein signal akustisch / visuell oder multimedial telefon / modem / fax / isdn wir übertragen die daten in verschiedenen sprachen deutsch / englisch / spanisch französisch / russisch / japanisch we like to chat on the internet we use the media as interface transmitting messages from place to place wir verarbeiten informationen in allen variationen wir verbinden systeme und lösen probleme there is no nation without communication unser kredo ist kommunikation in bild & ton VERSION 3.0 © 2000 OLAF A. JUERSS JOINT VENTURE COMMUNICATIONS CYBERNETX MEDIA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) meta-question... with love Date: 11 Apr 2000 17:25:34 +0000 In the song 'Numbers', what's your favourite number? Be sure to list several numbers. Here's mine. 1) Ein 2) Two 3) Vier Let the excitement commence! :-) Seriously (yes-I-was-joking), is this sort of thing a "mindblindness" issue? I mean, very little meaning is actually communicated, yet I get the impression that this isn't always understood by the sender of such listings? Or is it me? Perhaps I should be mentally stimulated by arbitrary listings and I just don't realise why? Not flaming, but honestly bemused and curious... K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Fave KW Date: 11 Apr 2000 17:39:37 +0000 David Serjeant wrote: > 1) Europe Endless - at the risk of sounding like a complete anorak . . . Well, you'd be in good company here! :-) :-) > 2) Numbers/Computer World 2 - Un! - Uno! - Deux! - Dos! - Trois! - > Quattro! Damn, this crossed with my little "Numbers" joke so I had better emphasise I wasn't referring to your post! Yeah, this is a favourite of mine too: the insistent staccato percussion made a big impression on me when I first heard it. I'm glad to see so many _reasons_ being declared for everyone's taste in Kraftwerk's tracks; it's far more interesting than just reading a list of track titles. I hope others agree and that my goading is therefore excused! K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Morgan" Subject: (kw) kraftwerk trance remix Date: 11 Apr 2000 18:03:18 +0100 For a short time only mono mp3 file of Kraftwerk expo2000 trance remix at www.abn09.dial.pipex.com and click on the expo logo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn dead loss? Date: 11 Apr 2000 12:25:50 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, Kevin Busby wrote: > Actually I think you are reading more into my post than I intended! But > that's my fault for not being clear. When I wrote ""story"" (in quotes!) I > did not mean it literally. 'Neon Lights', 'TEE' and 'Europe Endlos' also > have a "narrative" feel to me, in that (_musical_) themes are developed and > transformed in a gradually unfolding manner. Yes, 'Autobahn' would make a > lousy novel. But figuratively speaking, the listener is taken on a "route", > ending up at a different location. The declared "motorway" theme is > unavoidable but not the kind of narrative I meant. Oh, I get you now. Yes, I guess I would have to agree with that. I do like that kind of "narrative". -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) meta-question... with love Date: 11 Apr 2000 12:33:08 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, Kevin Busby wrote: > In the song 'Numbers', what's your favourite number? Be sure to list several > numbers. Here's mine. :) Definitely "uno" in the deep voice. It's been used well by KW samplers. > Seriously (yes-I-was-joking), is this sort of thing a "mindblindness" issue? > I mean, very little meaning is actually communicated, yet I get the > impression that this isn't always understood by the sender of such listings? > Or is it me? Perhaps I should be mentally stimulated by arbitrary listings > and I just don't realise why? Not flaming, but honestly bemused and > curious... It seems to be a standard way for bored people to try and generate traffic and/or conversations. I don't really get it either. It almost always flops. I sometimes participate just to throw out my often contentious opinions, but in most cases I would prefer silence to noise. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) autobahn & stuff ;-) Date: 11 Apr 2000 12:18:22 -0700 >well ... i know german is a really "cruel" language ( just as "englisch" ! >;-))) ... but i love to see such "interpretations" of kw titles like >"rucksack" instead of 'ruckzuck' ( i must admit that i really laughed my ass >off !!! *ROTFL* ;-))) & "morganspatziergang" instead of 'mogenspaziergang' >!!! ;-))) btw : "rucksack" in english is pretty much the same as in german >!!! but 'ruckzuck' is just a german slang for doin' somethin' " very fast " >!!! anyway ... Whoops! That would be my error, regarding "Ruckzuck". Although "rucksack" means the same in German and U.K. English, it doesn't mean anything in American English. So for the benefit of my fellow Americans... "Rucksack" means "backpack". ---Jason Polland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) meta-question... with love Date: 11 Apr 2000 21:58:12 +0200 Kevin Busby wrote: > > In the song 'Numbers', what's your favourite number? Be sure to list several > numbers. Here's mine. mmm... I'm particularly fond of the "ni!" in "ichi ni! san chi" Do you think Kraftwerk are Monty Python fans? Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) Favourites Date: 11 Apr 2000 23:55:41 +0200 ...my favourite KW-song? Easy question, easy answer: Autobahn (in it's original version). The one and only - Tueren zu, Motor an, Hupe und Abfahrt. Just listen to it, close you're eyes and you'll see... Greets from austria, Georgie -- *-*-*- * "Wir sind die Roboter" + KRAFTWERK + http://www.kraftwerk.com * * EXPO 2000 + Mensch-Natur-Technik + http://www.expo2000.de * * * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) + ICQ: 53829477 * * http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ + phone/SMS: +436765621850 * *-*-*-* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Mark [Timezero]" Subject: SV: (kw) mp3 trade Date: 11 Apr 2000 21:07:38 +0200 ----- Original Message -----=20 Cc: kraftwerk email Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 6:29 PM >=20 > What excatly do you mean with "full length version"? The longest = version > I know is about 4.20. > Does anybody know a longer one? >=20 > Gunnar >=20 > Paul Mills schrieb: >=20 > > 1. Technopop (original 1983 full length version) I got that song in 04:34 And its not quit the last 10 seconds or = something, it ends with a fade out... And i can hear thats the end of the song.. The title of it (that I got) is: Kraftwerk - Technopop (1983 version) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "micROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) meta-question... with love Date: 11 Apr 2000 19:01:43 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 7:25 PM hey kev ! you're " ahead of my time " !!! ( once again ;-))) oh ! what a nice "subject" to talk about !!! ;-))) > In the song 'Numbers', what's your favourite number? Be sure to list several > numbers. Here's mine. > > 1) Ein > 2) Two > 3) Vier well ... mine are " the japanese ones " !!! ;-))) nevertheless i'm unable to write it down properly i think you all know what i mean , didn't you ?! ;o))) " the russian ones " are *kewl* too i suppose !!! ;-))) ... & i also like the 'vier' ... because it "sounds" like "fear" in english !!! *ROTFL* ;-))) > Let the excitement commence! :-) ja ! nein ! vielleicht ! maybe !? perhaps !? warum ? warum ? w-h-y ? ( come on ! let's all sing along these lines of ' sex objekt ' !!! ;-))) > Seriously (yes-I-was-joking), me too !!! ;-))) > is this sort of thing a "mindblindness" issue? well ... sort of ! but not really ... i suppose !!! ;-))) > I mean, very little meaning is actually communicated, btw : WHAT'S the meanin' "behind" such "lyrics" like ' boing boom tschak ' ??? ;-))) > yet I get the impression that this isn't always understood by the sender of such listings? damn right , kev !!! ;-))) > Or is it me? ... & me too ??? ;-))) > Perhaps I should be mentally stimulated by arbitrary listings > and I just don't realise why? well ... the question is : WHY NOT ??? ;-))) > Not flaming, but honestly bemused and curious... ditto !!! ;-))) > K however ... many greetinx from micROBOT a.k.a. the "incredible" micronaut alias el doctore jones ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "micROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Favourites (WAS Europe Endlos) Date: 11 Apr 2000 18:36:19 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 5:13 PM > Well I do like almost every kraftwerk song except for the stuff before > autobahn and ohm sweet ohm (I hate that song.. theis played with > something that sounds like those electric pianos they use at hockey > games) hm ? ... well ... i really can't understand why you "hate" ' ohm sweet ohm ' !!! :-/ to me it's such a "sweet" song ! it's sounds almost like a lullaby !!! ;-) anyway ... what i really can't understand is why you like ' europa endlos ' & dislike ' ohm sweet ohm ' !!! :-/ the sounds they use in ' europa endlos ' are basically not much "better" than in ' ohm sweet ohm ' !!! to me ' europa endlos ' is a great song - absolutely no doubt about this ! - but ... the sounds kw have used there are " really cheap " indeed !!! it makes me wonder why they don't "re-recorded" it for ' the mix ' !!! it would have sounded much more "powerful" & impressive in a "modern" version i suppose ! ;-) i also think it's much the same with songs like ' die mensch-maschine ' / ' das model ' / 'neonlicht' & ' tour de france ' etc. ! > but my absolute favourites are: > > 1. Bong Bum Tsachk (Great lyrics.. great song) *ROTFL* ;-))) " bingo bongo cha cha cha " !!! ( really " great lyrics " indeed !!! ;-))) sorry ! i'm just kiddin' !!! ;-) but ... ' boing boom tschak ' was totally influenced by the hip-hop movement of that time & n. y. c. ( where kw produced their album ' electric cafe ' ;-) "sounds" in general !!! as i first heard this track i can't stop laughin' ... because it was so ridiculous ! it just sounded as a cheap copy of the usual beatbox stuff most of that time djs & producers have done also years before !!! to me this was one of kw's worst "songs" ( in this case i wouldn't even call it a "song" ! ;-) they've ever made !!! :-/ absolute no innovation @ all !!! :-/ > 2. Techno Pop [Electric Cafe version] (I like the industrial sound of > Electric Cafe and Techno Pop has captured it well) > 3. Pocketcalculator (The sounds are.. cool) > 4. It's more fun to compute (Again I love the sounds) > 5. Europe Endless (I think this song sounds very optimistic and I often > get very happy when I listen too it) > > /Finarvas however ... many greetinx from micROBOT a.k.a. the "incredible" micronaut alias el doctore jones ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Kiplinger" Subject: (kw) KW Fans Around The World Date: 11 Apr 2000 12:04:33 PDT Ok, i know this is something that most KW fans don't want to admit. But what are your KW songs you really dislike.....and why? Mine are: 1)"Trans Europe Express": reason why i hate this song is not for it's sound but the fact that rap has ripped-off this record so many times that i can't even listen to it anymore. 2)"Numbers": love the song, i think it's one of KW greatest songs ever made, but.....thanks to rap, this is the #1 song to rip off of all time. 3)"Computer World-The Album": To be more blunt about things, this is the number one album to rip off and sample at the same time by both rappers and DJ's. Hey, i love Computer World but you have to face the facts. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "nate rogers" Date: 11 Apr 2000 17:48:32 EDT my favorite number? sechs! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jabbsco@aol.com Subject: (kw) Autobahn Date: 12 Apr 2000 00:11:15 EDT Hey. I recently got a Mexican pressing of Autobahn on picture disc. Does anybody know when that was released, becuase the picture of the band shows the four members with short hair, as opposed to the long hair and beards that appear on the original release. Dan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bob hill Subject: (kw) re: songs disliked? Date: 12 Apr 2000 00:07:26 -0700 It is much harder to pick songs not on the favorites list than vice versa. I will take issue with the songs that are commonly sampled being "not-liked". Even though you may tire of hearing various mixes of songs from "Computer World" they are sampled because they are great songs and nobody in the "music world" is inventive or insightful enough to improve on the originals. I would have to admit though that "Expo 2000" in it's various incaranations is far from their most "inspired" work. werking early for our european friends, Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ilych@aol.com Subject: (kw) Re: everyone's favorite songs Date: 12 Apr 2000 03:47:43 EDT I've noticed a song on many people's favorites list is "Europe Endless," and that is good, because it is a very nice song. That's certainly true, but that sounds silly, doesn't it? At least, try to justify WHY you people like these songs. This is rather cerebral music, not Britney Spears, agreed? This forum IS for discussion, correct? That said, can anyone successfully argue that "The Man-Machine" was NOT KW's most perfectly crafted song? I think it's one of the best modern tracks ever written. Here's why: It's not too long, nor is it too short; its rhythm and percussion are wonderfully hypnotic; it has a very smart melody; it makes great use of percussive sound effects without using too much; it is delightfully minimal yet not too stark as to be dull, i.e., it balances the simple and the complex; the few lyrics are perfectly fitting for the music and the theme; and, more than any other song, it is the quintessential essence of what Kraftwerk is. Not only is the song perfectly constructed, but it is a perfect end to that album, leaving you wanting more. The song itself actually sounds as though it were created by machines, for machines. The fact that nothing at the time of its release came close to its novelty or brilliance speaks for itself. If I were to select only one song to represent what Kraftwerk is, it would be "The Man-Machine," much more so than "The Robots," which, while musically endearing, is basically just a one-sided shtick."The Man-Machine" masterfully personifies in music KW as a band and as a theme, and encapsulates the band's fascination (and indeed, many people's fascinations) toward the relationship between man and technology in the late 20th century. To put it in one (strange) way, if you threw all KW's songs in a pot and melted them into one, the result would be "The Man-Machine." As a piece of music AND as a statement, "The Man-Machine" is a masterpiece, the finest work that Kraftwerk could achieve in one song, and the best they ever will. And that's why it is my favorite. Regards from Chicago, Bruno VanderVelde # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Re: everyone's favorite songs Date: 12 Apr 2000 11:51:26 +0000 Mein Gott! We're actually getting coherent discussions on the list! Was ist los? :-D Ilych@aol.com wrote: > That said, can anyone successfully argue that "The Man-Machine" was NOT KW's > most perfectly crafted song? I think it's one of the best modern tracks ever > written. Here's why: It's not too long, nor is it too short; its rhythm and > percussion are wonderfully hypnotic Just as with 'Numbers' it was the percussive sounds which first struck me about this track. It sounded like some playing a pair of secateurs ("pruning shears" in US English!). nate rogers wrote: > my favorite number? sechs! Well, I don't object. Jason Kiplinger wrote: > 2)"Numbers": love the song, i think it's one of KW greatest songs ever made, > but.....thanks to rap, this is the #1 song to rip off of all time. This is a very important reason why I avoided listening to rap. As soon as I heard a looped Kraftwerk sample in the 80s I turned the radio off! Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rhodri kasperbauer Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Avilability in Hong Kong Date: 12 Apr 2000 07:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Greetings! Just to let you know how H.K. is experiencing the latest 2 cd single releases. "T.D.F." never made it to the main shops (Tower/HMV), a product of rigid import restrictions...a few copies slipped in to smaller shops. The latest 'local' release (I think) was T.D.F....back in 1984. One of the few interesting things in a collectors shop here is a copy of radioactivity from Singapore (green cover), but the shop went let me look at the record unless I buy it first! Expo 2000 first turned up as the cd promo (uk pressing) here(less than 2 quid!) here about a month ago, in a Chinese-only speaking triad-run area (they get all the radio stations copies). There are now a few of the enhanced cds gracing the HMV store, and, the video was in quite heavy rotation a week ago on the Asian music video station. Now is the structure 'in' the video some form (real or imagined) of what they wanted to play in (live?). A word of caution, for anyone ordering what made be unique to H.K. a bootleg VCD compilation, as the sources of the maker were naff, so is the end result. No doubt it'll be a DVD next. And, also, you need the lowest-quality machine to play the thing...use a good VCD. player and you get nothing. A bit of a techinical paradox that. Best Wishes, Rhodri Kasperbauer. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Eriksson Subject: (kw) Conny Plank (off-topic) Date: 12 Apr 2000 11:03:18 +0200 Sam (Greyseason@aol.com) wrote a propos Autobahn: >I wish that I could help you out, but I agree totally. Anything >Plank-related I've come across has been fantastic. Including the work he did with Gianna Nannini in the late eighties...? Tomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "micROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: everyone's favorite songs Date: 12 Apr 2000 13:08:51 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 9:47 AM > I've noticed a song on many people's favorites list is "Europe Endless," and > that is good, because it is a very nice song. ditto ! ;-) > That's certainly true, but that sounds silly, doesn't it? At least, try to > justify WHY you people like these songs. This is rather cerebral music, not > Britney Spears, agreed? yes mate ! totally agreed !!! ;-) I HATE BRITNEY SPEARS !!! *ROTFL* ;-))) > This forum IS for discussion, correct? damn right ! ( once again ;-) > That said, can anyone successfully argue that "The Man-Machine" was NOT KW's > most perfectly crafted song? I think it's one of the best modern tracks ever > written. Here's why: It's not too long, nor is it too short; its rhythm and > percussion are wonderfully hypnotic; it has a very smart melody; it makes > great use of percussive sound effects without using too much; it is > delightfully minimal yet not too stark as to be dull, i.e., it balances the > simple and the complex; the few lyrics are perfectly fitting for the music > and the theme; and, more than any other song, it is the quintessential > essence of what Kraftwerk is. Not only is the song perfectly constructed, but > it is a perfect end to that album, leaving you wanting more. The song itself > actually sounds as though it were created by machines, for machines. The fact > that nothing at the time of its release came close to its novelty or > brilliance speaks for itself. > If I were to select only one song to represent what Kraftwerk is, it would be > "The Man-Machine," much more so than "The Robots," which, while musically > endearing, is basically just a one-sided shtick."The Man-Machine" masterfully > personifies in music KW as a band and as a theme, and encapsulates the band's > fascination (and indeed, many people's fascinations) toward the relationship > between man and technology in the late 20th century. To put it in one > (strange) way, if you threw all KW's songs in a pot and melted them into one, > the result would be "The Man-Machine." > As a piece of music AND as a statement, "The Man-Machine" is a masterpiece, > the finest work that Kraftwerk could achieve in one song, and the best they > ever will. > And that's why it is my favorite. well ... what a hell of good & " straight to the point " arguments !!! ;-) on that - almost "scientific" level ! - i have to agree with you ! ;-) but ... nevertheless each one of us have different "feelings" of why "this" or "that" is THEIR favorite song or track by kw ! ;-) you can't - or better shouldn't ! - "judge" a specific song or track just by its proven content !!! ( as you've done it perfectly with ' the man-machine ' example - no doubt about that ! ;-) "functionality" over "feelings" does not always & every time work out well , mate ! ;-) so maybe THAT'S the only reason WHY ' the man-machine ' is NOT my personal favorite of all kw songs or trax ! ;-) > Regards from Chicago, > Bruno VanderVelde regards from bremen in germany , micROBOT ( or microNAUTILUS ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) KW Fans Around The World Date: 12 Apr 2000 21:17:09 +0200 On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:04:33 PDT, Jason Kiplinger wrote: > > >Ok, i know this is something that most KW fans don't want to admit. But what >are your KW songs you really dislike.....and why? "Sex object" well, the intro is good , but I don't like the rest of the track..... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) Re: (null) Date: 12 Apr 2000 21:20:36 +0200 My favourite : Autobahn (any version , except the new one from "the Mix" & attached live performances) Then in second, I think I will put "Trans Europe Express" , both the original version & "The Mix" version. then in third.... well, probably TanzMusik. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fredrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4llman?= Subject: (kw) favourite songs and Hongkong/China Date: 12 Apr 2000 23:09:00 +0200 Am I the only one who likes Antenne/Antenna, the raw sounds and the catchy melody? It could have been a hit if played live (happened only a few times?) or even as a A-side single. Tongebirge is also great - I even had a clip from it as the warning/attention sound on my Powerbook for a long time, attracting the attention of people sharing my office! Going for old songs, Kling Klang isn't that bad either. What do you think of Sendepause/Intermission? ;-) Someone mentioned Hongkong and I wonder, do Chinese like Kraftwerk? Are there any Chinese (not necessary living in mainland China) on the list - contact me privately? I am a sinologist (China researcher) and have been travelling and living over there for long periods and only found one cassette copy (imported) of Man Machine once in Beijing, Hongkong is different of course. "Wir richten Antenne ins Firmament, empfangen die T=F6ne die niemand kennt..= =2E" =46redrik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greyseason@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Conny Plank (off-topic) Date: 12 Apr 2000 17:10:37 EDT I've not come across that particular work. Mainly, I'm familiar with what he's done with Kraftwerk, NEU!, Guru Guru, Cluster/Moebius, etc. I know it can't all be good, but it seems like he was a pretty solid guy. f93-ter@f.kth.se writes: << Sam (Greyseason@aol.com) wrote a propos Autobahn: >... Anything Plank-related I've come across has been fantastic.> Including the work he did with Gianna Nannini in the late eighties...? >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BenediktRochow@oaktech.com Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #408 Date: 12 Apr 2000 12:47:36 -0400 Some time ago (early '99, it seems) one of the regular-changing audio sites had a live version of The Robots with rather amusing variations on the initial noise sequence (e.g. the fourth part was slightly higher in pitch and much speeded up, sounding like 2 car horns being hinked). I guess this was one of the '81 concerts. Is this track available anywhere? Thanks. >Doesn't seem to me they've ever done what was expected - which is why >I like them. I sure didn't expect them to hire Ross Perot (or his "Prairie Home Companion" imitator, maybe?) - "The twaayynty-fuurrst cayynteree"! ("Das 21. Jahrhundert" sure sounds like Dr. Stephen Hawking's voice box, but I guess most 'robot' voices do, particularly when trying to pronounce German) > The robots are a wonderful piece of kinetic art. Why do so many >people think they should be more technologically advanced. It is art not >science- KW may make use of science and technology but what they >produce is art. The KW robots are not a piece of hi-tech engineering >for the purposes of producing a replacement human. Sure. Though somehow, the robots alone on stage with Expo 2000 look a little out of place, compared to the superb 'Mensch Meier' appearance. There, it was a really nice combination of kinetic sculpture, video display, music, and the four of them doing only what they need to do to present it all, i.e. push five or six buttons and sit there quietly - while the audience showed people that probably didn't like the music, others that probably couldn't handle the lack of fake body involvement in the music, and rather a few (mostly non-'hip' folks in suits, it seemed) that quite enjoyed it or were at least pleasantly amused, Biolek said "well, we've always liked to have some somewhat experimental [I think] music here at Mensch Meier", in an apologetic tone, with a "boy, did I screw up" semi-grin. (Incidentally, I had never seen a picture of KW before, and found that, having seen only snippets of the Boing Boom Tschak video (a staple of German TV computer documentaries) before, the relaxedness and slight arrogance was just right.) >Reason #1) Europe Endless opens the "Trans Europe Express" LP and sets the >whole stage for the album and the KW genre for many years to come. I mean, >come on if you listen to the "Trans Europe Express" LP, do you skip songs? Only "Spiegelsaal". >or do you listen to the whole album? Me, I can listen to that album so many >times that i'll listen to it again. But back to Europe Endless, Europe E-E somehow can be put on autorepeat for an hour or two without getting boring, which you can't do with many other KW tracks. >(Tie) Radio Stars/Uranium - So hypnotic; so moody. I get goose bumps >everytime I hear these songs. Prize question: what exactly is the very fast "diddlediddleduddlediddle" -sounding music during the few seconds of static and tuning at the beginning of Transistor? (even better: from what music does the very brief sound that quickly changes to static that's before the above piece come?) >Kristallo - It's so loose in structure, yet it's so enchanting. This seemed extremely familiar even the first time I heard it. Influences of incidental movie music or maybe slavic dances, maybe? >...my favourite KW-song? Easy question, easy answer: Autobahn (in it's original >version). > >The one and only - Tueren zu, Motor an, Hupe und Abfahrt. >Just listen to it, close you're eyes and you'll see... Sure. It helps when there's an old diesel car in the family that sounds just like it, doors and starter and even upshifting right after you start to move... >btw : WHAT'S the meanin' "behind" such "lyrics" like ' boing boom tschak ' When it came out, I thought they were ridiculing the cheap pop music at the time (made with machines, but pretending to have real instruments) - guess not. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "nate rogers" Subject: Re: (kw) favourite songs and Hongkong/China Date: 12 Apr 2000 19:13:56 EDT >From: Fredrik F=E4llman >To: William Dobiesz >Subject: (kw) favourite songs and Hongkong/China >Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:09:00 +0200 > > >Am I the only one who likes Antenne/Antenna, the raw sounds and the catc= hy >melody? It could have been a hit if played live (happened only a few >times?) or even as a A-side single. I love antenna! That and airwaves are my favorite songs from Radioactivit= y. -nate ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "xelius" Subject: (kw) favuorite songs motivated Date: 13 Apr 2000 11:40:22 +0200 Reading the discussions about favourite songs of KwK works, I'm happy to see in the lists Radiostars. It's minimal , deep , breathing ,and it tunes into my personal feel to be sometime alone in front on the valve radio, at night, listening to the short wave bands noises and meditating . For me Quasare und Pulsare it's like a mantra. The man machine is a perfect and unique example of Suprematism into pop music. It represent the Majakowskij and Malevic lessons transposed into sound field . This song has no perspective , no third dimension , it's simply geometrical. ( but all the Lp is pervaded by this philosopy) It's the red and the black , with white light. It has a shiny fetish feel. :-? The orgasm is reached at the sequence of electro-noises and bleeps (probably a schneider sign) after the vocoder lines . I'd can listen to these bleeps looped for hours ; it's balancing for me. I advise to use its looped parts as an architectural complement . xelius -Evolution not rEvolution- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "xelius" Subject: (kw) Antenna Date: 13 Apr 2000 12:03:38 +0200 Fredrik Fallman wrote: >Am I the only one who likes Antenne/Antenna, the raw sounds and the catchy melody? < No , I put it into my preferences in a high position. I like it very much for the (at now )cheap analog drum sounds and I confess : I'm not able to reproduce that groove whit the same uman-feel . I like also the intensive use of the Eventide flanger and the tape echo on Ralf voice. The FM modulation into filters and oscillators that generate the characteristic Electric signals of the song remains an unique , genial, arrangement solution functionally answering to the vioce phrases. An immaginary dialogue between the antenna and the speaker voice. Transmitting and receiving. Tx-Rx Could anyone tell me where I can find a live version of this song ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk video Date: 13 Apr 2000 13:47:18 +0200 Yepp, that's true, but how many groups do you think actually make their videos _themselves_. I can only think of one group - Madness. /Joakim -----Original Message----- ...it was someone else's work (a US computer artist/researcher, I forget her name), albeit with KW's cooperation. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: (kw) NEU! Date: 13 Apr 2000 11:09:25 EDT Hi! I don=B4t know if this was mentioned here before: according to http://www.michaelrother.de/news.html the three NEU! 70=B4s albums will be officially re-released soon. Carsten Bolte. Kiel. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "micROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #408 Date: 13 Apr 2000 13:21:56 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 6:47 PM > "The twaayynty-fuurrst cayynteree"! > ("Das 21. Jahrhundert" sure sounds like Dr. Stephen Hawking's > voice box, but I guess most 'robot' voices do, particularly when > trying to pronounce German) *ROTFLFST* ;-))) well ... to me " das 21ste jahrhundert " sure sounds like the pope durin' one of his "announcements" !!! ;-))) maybe the pope needs " a new robot voice " ... particularly when he's tryin' to pronounce his "announcements" in german !!! *SROTFL* ;-))) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " !!! ;-))) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "micROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) favourite songs and Hongkong/China Date: 13 Apr 2000 12:44:12 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 11:09 PM > Am I the only one who likes Antenne/Antenna, the raw sounds and the cat= chy > melody? It could have been a hit if played live (happened only a few > times?) or even as a A-side single. oh yes ! definitely !!! i really wonder why nearly nobody on some radio station picked up on this ??? i - for myself - "used" it a long time as a part of the intro to my own radio show !!! ;-) > Tongebirge is also great - I even had a > clip from it as the warning/attention sound on my Powerbook for a long > time, attracting the attention of people sharing my office! GREAT IDEA !!! ;-) > Going for old songs, Kling Klang isn't that bad either. damn right , mate !!! ;-) it's one of these "songs" that shaped their way into immortality !!! ;-) > What do you think of Sendepause/Intermission? ;-) nice "little" one ! *LOL* ;-))) > Someone mentioned Hongkong and I wonder, do Chinese like Kraftwerk? > Are there any Chinese (not necessary living in mainland China) on the l= ist > - contact me privately? I am a sinologist (China researcher) and have b= een > travelling and living over there for long periods and only found one > cassette copy (imported) of Man Machine once in Beijing, Hongkong is > different of course. well ... i think there are loads of interestin' people here on this list = !!! am i right ??? ;-) > "Wir richten Antenne ins Firmament, empfangen die T=F6ne die niemand kennt..." " Radiosender & H=F6rer sind wir ... spielen im =C4ther das Wellenklavier= ! " '=C4therwellen' 1975 ;-) > Fredrik many greetinx from the micROBOT ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ganz allein" Subject: Re: (kw) KW Fans Around The World Date: 13 Apr 2000 08:18:56 PDT << On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:04:33 PDT, Jason Kiplinger wrote: Ok, i know this is something that most KW fans don't want to admit. But what are your KW songs you really dislike.....and why? >> Metropolis. It's too tedious and repetitive. Maybe it should be called 'Monotonous'. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Spectre" Subject: Re: (kw) KW Fans Around The World Date: 13 Apr 2000 11:41:28 -0400 ><< On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:04:33 PDT, Jason Kiplinger wrote: > >Ok, i know this is something that most KW fans don't want to admit. But what >are your KW songs you really dislike.....and why? >> Sex Object used to be my least favorite, it gets skipped more than any other track. I think it's because it doesn't fit in with the whole "We are the robots" image. Expo 2000 (2002 mix) is now by far my least favorite track, it sounds like music from a 70's TV show...not at all appealing to me. I hope it's not an indication of things to come (if they ever do that is). Cheers, Chuck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: (kw) expo 2000 & the shape of things to come ! ;-) Date: 13 Apr 2000 18:17:33 +0200 hi kwf's chuck a.k.a. 'spectre' ( or "specter" ??? ;-))) wrote : >> Expo 2000 (2002 mix) is now by far my least favorite track, it sounds like music from a 70's TV show...not at all appealing to me. I hope it's not an indication of things to come (if they ever do that is). << well ... expo 2000 is definitely not one of their best trax ( or sonx ;-) ever ! :-/ but i wonder which of the 2002 mixes you mean ??? the "original" one ... or the "newer" one from the ltd. or enhanced edition ??? i must admit that i like the "newer" 2002 mix of expo 2000 a lot !!! ;-) to me it didn't " sounds like music from a 70's TV show " @ all !!! ;-) it sounds very fresh / powerful / energetic & a little bit "asiatic" as well !!! maybe that's one of the reasons why they sell it in hong kong too !? *LOL* ;-))) btw : to start a whole new debate maybe ... what is your favorite ( or least favorite ;-) track of kw's "unpublished" work so far ??? i mean their " new material " of the mid-90's until now !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Spectre" Subject: Re: (kw) expo 2000 & the shape of things to come ! ;-) Date: 13 Apr 2000 12:40:41 -0400 micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) wrote rather eloquently: >well ... expo 2000 is definitely not one of their best trax ( or sonx ;-) >ever ! :-/ >but i wonder which of the 2002 mixes you mean ??? >the "original" one ... or the "newer" one from the ltd. or enhanced edition >??? I actually mean the "original" one. I've not heard the "newer" one, if it does in fact have an "asiatic" sound, then I might quite like it. Is it on the UK edition? I only have the original release with the multi-image cover. The UK version is order from ab-cd, so I hope the "newer" version is on there (maybe I'll change my mind). :-) Cheers, Chuck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Coen Rampen" Subject: RE: (kw) expo 2000 & the shape of things to come ! ;-) Date: 13 Apr 2000 19:06:47 +0200 > I actually mean the "original" one. I've not heard the "newer" one, if it > does in fact have an "asiatic" sound, then I might quite like it. > Is it on > the UK edition? I only have the original release with the multi-image > cover. The UK version is order from ab-cd, so I hope the "newer" > version is > on there (maybe I'll change my mind). :-) Well, it is! And it's a bit better than the first mix (IMO of course). For others hunting for this mix: the German edition is now also pressed with this new mix (check the matrix code on the CD: ...@ 1 for the original and ...@ 2 for the new mix). This means that the original mix is actually rarer than the new one. :-) Greetz, Coen Rampen c.rampen@student.utwente.nl PS Recently obtained a live recording of Autobahn Utrecht 81... Man, it rocks! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thomas m weibrecht Subject: Re: (kw) KW Vs ? Date: 13 Apr 2000 13:54:28 -0400 On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:12:00 PDT "Jason Kiplinger" writes: > > > Who would win in a fight (i know it's a immature question, but so > what!) > Kraftwerk or Tangerine Dream? I think we all know who would get the > crap > beat out of them..lol Kraftwerk would put the "Metal On Metal" down > on > TD...... shit, kw would be squashed by the sheer weight of td's recorded output.... tom w np: bill laswell : emerald aether ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagh. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: (kw) Legal action Date: 13 Apr 2000 19:35:03 +0100 I'm curious to know just what are the issue(s) to be decided at the forthcoming court case between Wolfgang Flur and Ralf & Florian. Libel, slander or misrepresentation? Invasion of privacy? Unauthorised use of 'KRAFTWERK' in the book's title? Does anybody on the list know or will we have to wait until the end of the month to find out? What do list members think the result would/should be? ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: (kw) "Robot" image Date: 13 Apr 2000 21:57:54 +0200 Spectre schrieb: > (...) > > Sex Object used to be my least favorite, it gets skipped more than any other > track. I think it's because it doesn't fit in with the whole "We are the > robots" image. Hmm, not the only song I would say. What about e.g. "The Model" or "Autobahn" - how do these songs fit to a robot image? > Expo 2000 (2002 mix) is now by far my least favorite track, > it sounds like music from a 70's TV show...not at all appealing to me. I > hope it's not an indication of things to come (if they ever do that is). Good things (?) need time ;-). BTW, there's a report in austrain's weekly magazine "Format" about the financial problems (?) with the EXPO 2000 - of course, the story with "400000.- DM for some seconds of music" is mentionend again... ;-). Gruesse aus Wien, Georgie -- *-*-*- * "Wir sind die Roboter" + KRAFTWERK + http://www.kraftwerk.com * * EXPO 2000 + Mensch-Natur-Technik + http://www.expo2000.de * * * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) + ICQ: 53829477 * * http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ + phone/SMS: +436765621850 * *-*-*-* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) favourite songs and Hongkong/China Date: 13 Apr 2000 22:26:31 +0200 micROBOT schrieb: > (...) > > > What do you think of Sendepause/Intermission? ;-) > > nice "little" one ! *LOL* ;-))) Hmm, but what's so fascinating about producing a few seconds of silence ;-)? BTW, I don't like this "Radioaktivitaet" album very much - but "Ohm Sweet Ohm" is a really fine thing - I wish Kraftwerk would play it live someday... . Gruesse aus Wien, Georgie -- *-*-*- * "Wir sind die Roboter" + KRAFTWERK + http://www.kraftwerk.com * * EXPO 2000 + Mensch-Natur-Technik + http://www.expo2000.de * * * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) + ICQ: 53829477 * * http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ + phone/SMS: +436765621850 * *-*-*-* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk video Date: 13 Apr 2000 13:48:49 -0700 >Yepp, that's true, but how many groups do you think actually make their >videos _themselves_. I can only think of one group - Madness. The Residents, Barnes & Barnes, Laibach, Devo, and Negativland all make their own music videos. I suspect the Toy Dolls made their own, too, judging from the delightfully amateur quality. Off-topic! Oh me oh my! ---Jason Polland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord" Subject: (kw) The court case Date: 13 Apr 2000 22:56:43 +0200 Hey, Is it possible that the forthcoming court case is just another promotion = stunt by the guys? I mean, first they release a very famous song on CD = for the first time, Tour de France. Then they release a new single = connected to the Expo, and get lots of press coverage for the money they = got paid. Then, the band sue one of its former members - this is very = good press stuff if the media got to know about it. Then in the end of 2000 they release a new album and now the media = remembers KW and write more about them. Just a thought..... glenn Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Stuff www.folkvord.net/jarrestuff=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) The court case Date: 13 Apr 2000 21:48:28 +0200 Glenn Folkvord wrote: > > Hey, > > Is it possible that the forthcoming court case is just another promotion stunt by the guys? I mean, first they release a very famous song on CD for the first time, Tour de France. Then they release a new single connected to the Expo, and get lots of press coverage for the money they got paid. Then, the band sue one of its former members - this is very good press stuff if the media got to know about it. > > Then in the end of 2000 they release a new album and now the media remembers KW and write more about them. How about: former band member feels unhappy about his situation, finds out that after 10 years his former band is even more enigmatic than ever, has stories, inside info and photos that the world loves, and, not least, can be sold, to his own advantage? Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Kiplinger" Subject: (kw) Expo 2000.......German Or UK? Date: 13 Apr 2000 10:37:56 PDT To me, i really like the UK single better then the German single. The only difference from the 2 of them is that German version has the 2000 mix first, insted of the Radio Mix. For those people who want to get Expo 2000 either UK or German, online for only $9.99 plus S/H go to www.cdnow.com for all your KW needs, to put in a good word they even have KW albums in German. Impressive, most impressive. Jason ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JL Jones" Subject: Re: (kw) KW Fans Around The World Date: 13 Apr 2000 11:50:50 -0400 Sex Object - How soon we forget about, oh say The Model.... Expo 2000 - Its getting kind of old beating up on this.... It is what it is, an extension of a jingle.. take it as such..... Just my $.02 /work/blauermontag/Jim J. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:41 AM > Sex Object used to be my least favorite, it gets skipped more than any other > track. I think it's because it doesn't fit in with the whole "We are the > robots" image. Expo 2000 (2002 mix) is now by far my least favorite track, > it sounds like music from a 70's TV show...not at all appealing to me. I > hope it's not an indication of things to come (if they ever do that is). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ConnectFree" Subject: RE: (kw) favourite songs and Hongkong/China Date: 13 Apr 2000 21:53:17 +0100 Ohm Sweet Ohm is even better if you play it at 45RPM :] - oh the bass # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Mark [Timezero]" Subject: VB: (kw) mp3 trade Date: 14 Apr 2000 01:45:55 +0200 > > > What excatly do you mean with "full length version"? The longest = version > > > I know is about 4.20. > > > Does anybody know a longer one? > > >=20 > > > Gunnar > > >=20 > > > Paul Mills schrieb: > > >=20 > > > > 1. Technopop (original 1983 full length version) > >=20 > > I got that song in 04:34 And its not quit the last 10 seconds or = something, it ends with a fade out... > > And i can hear thats the end of the song.. > > The title of it (that I got) is: > >=20 > > Kraftwerk - Technopop (1983 version) I found out that i did have one more copy. And that one is 5.01 It begins with "theee meeench macchinee.... kraaaftwerk"=20 =20 daniel=20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank X. Cordero" Subject: (kw) Diddlediddleduddlediddle Date: 13 Apr 2000 18:01:05 PDT Benedict Rochow writes: Prize question: what exactly is the very fast "diddlediddleduddlediddle" -sounding music during the few seconds of static and tuning at the beginning of Transistor? Could it be the music for a Saturday morning cartoon? How many lifelines do I have left? DJFRANKX http://members.tripod.com/DJFRANKX/index.html NP: Fibonacci Sequence by BT (Oh so Kraftwerk sounding) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Tittl Subject: Re: VB: (kw) mp3 trade Date: 14 Apr 2000 17:55:50 +1000 Well.......... can you please mp3 it for us? :-) Vladimir > > > Kraftwerk - Technopop (1983 version) > > I found out that i did have one more copy. And that one is 5.01 > It begins with "theee meeench macchinee.... kraaaftwerk" > > daniel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thomas m weibrecht Subject: Re: (kw) Legal action Date: 14 Apr 2000 09:53:51 -0400 On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:35:03 +0100 Richard Marston writes: > > I'm curious to know just what are the issue(s) to be decided at the > forthcoming court case between Wolfgang Flur and Ralf & Florian. > Libel, > slander or misrepresentation? Invasion of privacy? Unauthorised use > of > 'KRAFTWERK' in the book's title? Does anybody on the list know or > will we > have to wait until the end of the month to find out? What do list > members > think the result would/should be? i havent read the book, nor am i competent to discuss german law, but in the US at least: wouldnt be slander, because that applies only to the spoken word. wouldnt be invasion of privacy, because that applies only to an act that disrupts the enjoyment of your home or property. libel is possible, but since KW would be considered a public figure, they'd have to prove malice. same would go for mis-representation, unless they could prove that Flur knew the facts were wrong and he published them anyway. Finally, I doubt the word Kraftwerk is either copywritten or trademarked. in the US at least, summary judgement for Flur for failure to state a cause of action before it even gets to trial. tom w np: audio active - bong ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) favourite songs and Hongkong/China Date: 14 Apr 2000 12:49:36 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 10:26 PM > micROBOT schrieb: > > > (...) > > > > > What do you think of Sendepause/Intermission? ;-) > > > > nice "little" one ! *LOL* ;-))) > > Hmm, but what's so fascinating about producing a few seconds of silence ;-)? well ... georgie ... it's THE SILENCE itself ! THE LATITUDE ! ;-))) > BTW, I don't like this "Radioaktivitaet" album very much - but "Ohm Swe= et Ohm" is > a really fine thing - I wish Kraftwerk would play it live someday... . ME TOO !!! ;-) > Gruesse aus Wien, > Georgie gr=FC=DFe aus bremen-nord vom micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) a.k.a. the "incredible" micronaut or el doctore jones ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) "Robot" image Date: 14 Apr 2000 13:09:07 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 9:57 PM > Spectre schrieb: > > > (...) > > > > Sex Object used to be my least favorite, it gets skipped more than any other > > track. I think it's because it doesn't fit in with the whole "We are the > > robots" image. > > Hmm, not the only song I would say. > What about e.g. "The Model" or "Autobahn" - how do these songs fit to a robot > image? well ... to me kw nowadays doesn't seem to pretend to look like ' the robots ' anymore ... maybe ' the robots ' pretend to look like THEM !!! *LOL* ;-))) kw are " the modern ANDROIDS of electronic (dance)music " !!! ;-))) so i think that it could be much *fun* to " play around " with ' the model ' on the back-seat of your old volkswagen drivin' on the 'autobahn' as you pretend to be an ANDROID !!! *ROTFL* ;-))) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT ( definitely NO ANDROID !!! ;-))) " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: Re: VB: (kw) mp3 trade Date: 14 Apr 2000 07:30:17 GMT What is this? Can you make it available to us? Is it live? questions questions... > > Kraftwerk - Technopop (1983 version) I found out that i did have one more copy. And that one is 5.01 It begins with "theee meeench macchinee.... kraaaftwerk" daniel ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) The court case Date: 14 Apr 2000 14:15:14 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 10:56 PM >> Is it possible that the forthcoming court case is just another promoti= on stunt by the guys? << well ... IT IS POSSIBLE (somehow) ! ;-) but ... it's also a "real" court case ! NOT A HOAX !!! if you "insisted" that they'll do it as " just another promotion stunt " = you are DEFINITELY WRONG !!! i can say that florian is really "angry" about wolfgang's book & the followin' promotion mr. fl=FCr has "received" after releasin' it !!! so t= o me it looks very likely that ralf & florian are goin' to set a kind of "prohibition" to all kraftwerk (related) stuff that is released without their permission !!! strange ... BUT TRUE i suppose !!! :-/ >> I mean, first they release a very famous song on CD for the first time= , Tour de France. Then they release a new single connected to the Expo, and get lots of press coverage for the money they got paid. Then, the band su= e one of its former members - this is very good press stuff if the media go= t to know about it. << damn right , mate ! ;-) but to me it's a kind of " bad promotion " !!! :-= / okay ... it works in the term of " you better have a bad promotion than N= O PROMOTION @ all ! " but ... again ... i really think that they are goin' = to ruin their GO(O)D STATUS they've earned in the past 30 years ... & that's really sad !!! :-/ >> Then in the end of 2000 they release a new album and now the media remembers KW and write more about them. << you may be right ... somehow ! ;-) but to me kw ( when i use that term i refer to " the nucleus " of it : ralf & florian ! ;-) have constantly "de-constructed" their good image ( also in the media & public in general= ! ;-) in the past years with such "activities" like the whole expo jingle-single-concert-thing & the now even more ridiculous talk about " a new album " !!! :-/ just one simple question : WHY haven't they released ' the tg '97 track ' their first really "new" one for about a decade ! ;-) ??? i think it was= a great "song" & could have been a hit !!! ;-) but now ... WHO really cares about it ??? :-/ ONLY us fans & freax i suppose !!! the media & public in general is just laughin' about all those ridiculous "activities" of kw nowadays !!! :-/ sad ... BUT TRUE !!! :-( >> Just a thought..... << NOT just a thought ! ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) ( p. s. : a "real" kw fan - or even a kw "freak" ! ;-) - since 1975 !!! ;= -) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord" Subject: SV: (kw) The court case Date: 14 Apr 2000 22:15:01 +0200 Hey, >well ... IT IS POSSIBLE (somehow) ! ;-) but ... it's also a "real" = court >case ! NOT A HOAX !!! I like conspiracy theories - so the court case COULD be a hoax even if = it looks real. I am not saying it is, just asking you guys who are more = knowledgable about this than me. >damn right , mate ! ;-) but to me it's a kind of " bad promotion " !!! = :-/ >okay ... it works in the term of " you better have a bad promotion than = NO >PROMOTION @ all ! Hey now - dont you know that there is no such thing as bad promotion? = :-) all the best, Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Emusic http://w3.to/_emusic # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ConnectFree" Subject: RE: (kw) "Robot" image Date: 14 Apr 2000 21:35:51 +0100 Dance? who on planet earth dances to Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cancerperson" Subject: Re: (kw) "Robot" image Date: 14 Apr 2000 23:43:34 -0500 > Dance? who on planet earth dances to Kraftwerk defince "dance". i occasionally (sic) bob me head to it, or when i'm feeling silly, do that classic dance "the robot". nuttin wrong w/dancing to kw, just cause r&f do the showroom dummies thing on stage doesn't mean we have to follow suite. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) KW Vs ? Date: 15 Apr 2000 06:46:12 +0200 On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:54:28 -0400, thomas m weibrecht wrote: > >shit, kw would be squashed by the sheer weight of td's recorded >output.... yes, but 80% of it is really crap !, the pre 73 albums and the post 86 albums too, in my opinion of course..... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Expo 2000.......German Or UK? Date: 15 Apr 2000 06:51:06 +0200 but it seems there are severall UK editions of the singles, one with the video track and one without..... so, which one (catalog number) have the video track on it??? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: (kw) kwf newsgroup & chat / "special" kwf guestbook ! ;-) Date: 15 Apr 2000 14:04:56 +0200 hi kwf's ! join the kwf newsgroup now ! ( www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans ;-) use my "special" kwf guestbook ! www.1-2-3-gaestebuch.de/buch.gb?benutzer=docjones ;-) if you join the kwf newsgroup & become a member of it you'll also be able to get into our kwf chat(room) !!! usually we have one weekly "meeting" there every sunday @ 21:00 cet ! the next one is on sun. , the 16th of april ! the topics for this weekend's "meeting" are : the court case ! ( kw vs. wolfgang flür ) / the kwf party / news etc. ! ;-) check it out if you like !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " a.k.a. the "incredible" micronaut alias el doctore jones ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) "Robot" image Date: 15 Apr 2000 12:48:43 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 10:35 PM > Dance? who on planet earth dances to Kraftwerk well ... i really like to "dance" to some of the trax ( or songs ;-) that kw have produced ! ;-) ... & i know some others that like to "dance" to it as well !!! ;-))) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) The court case Date: 15 Apr 2000 14:32:14 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 10:15 PM >> Hey, << >well ... IT IS POSSIBLE (somehow) ! ;-) but ... it's also a "real" court >case ! NOT A HOAX !!! >> I like conspiracy theories - so the court case COULD be a hoax even if it looks real. I am not saying it is, just asking you guys who are more knowledgable about this than me. << oh ! ... well ... i also like " conspiracy theories " , mate !!! ;-))) to me all "ingredients" of this court case looks real !!! ;-) so i'll be there in hamburg ( germany ;-) on the 28th of april to see wotz really happenin' !!! ;-) >damn right , mate ! ;-) but to me it's a kind of " bad promotion " !!! :-/ >okay ... it works in the term of " you better have a bad promotion than NO >PROMOTION @ all ! >> Hey now - dont you know that there is no such thing as bad promotion? :-) << okay ... maybe i've misinterpreted "promotion" ! ;-) what i was tryin' to say is this : " you better have bad press than NO PRESS @ all ! " ;-) i'll hope that y' all get it right now !!! ;-) >> all the best, Glenn << all the best from me too ! ;-) micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: VB: (kw) mp3 trade Date: 15 Apr 2000 08:49:07 +0200 It almost sounded to me, that he meant the complete a-side of the non-existent "Techno Pop"-album. ;-) Gunnar Daniel Mark [Timezero] wrote: > > > > > 1. Technopop (original 1983 full length version) > > > > > > > > I got that song in 04:34 And its not quit the last 10 seconds or something, it ends with a fade out... > > > And i can hear thats the end of the song.. > > > The title of it (that I got) is: > > > > > > Kraftwerk - Technopop (1983 version) > > I found out that i did have one more copy. And that one is 5.01 > It begins with "theee meeench macchinee.... kraaaftwerk" > > daniel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andréas Hagström" Subject: (kw) KW grammaCD Date: 14 Apr 2000 08:35:09 PDT On a Kraftwerk bootlegCD on Ebay from Gramma I found a track called=20 "brain", what could that be? I never heard about any track even similare = to=20 that name! /Andr=E9as namn Andr=E9as Hagstr=F6m E-mail drellah@hotmail.com homepage http://www.foto.gu.se/Student/andreas_h - ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) NEU! Date: 16 Apr 2000 09:54:49 +0000 > according to > http://www.michaelrother.de/news.html > the three NEU! 70=B4s albums will be officially re-released soon. More info at http://www.gawl.de/Dingerland/From/groenland-vertrag.html Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) French "Expo 2000"? Date: 16 Apr 2000 09:54:49 +0000 The French edition of the "Expo 2000" CD single (EMI 888333 0) was originally scheduled for March 7th. Does anyone know if it is actually out, or, if it isn't, when it will be released? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) (off topic) identify a track Date: 16 Apr 2000 18:57:07 +0200 Hello, Please help me identify this track. This is a synth instrumental, maybe from a Soundtrack but probably from the 70's, it sounds very 70ish. I heard it on the radio . Here is the URL to a clip in .wav format http://myftp.worldnet.fr/bonald/public/unknown.wav Thank you in advance. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: (kw) my "special" kwf guestbook !!! Date: 16 Apr 2000 19:25:06 +0200 hi kwf's ! an important notice : my "special" kwf guestbook www.1-2-3-gaestebuch.de/buch.gb?benutzer=docjones is not longer in service !!! there's another guy who claims to be " dr. jones " who uses the same address !!! :-/ only somebody who has written "DocJones" instead of "docjones" in the address has reached my guestbook in the past !!! so i've just decided to delete this guestbook to prevent further confusion !!! if you want to leave an entry in my "original" guestbook you simply have to go to this url : www.cybernetx-media.de !!! there you can find my "original" guestbook ! ;-) check it out if you like !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " a.k.a. the "incredible" micronaut alias el doctore jones ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr. Telex" Subject: (kw) Re : "Brain" Date: 16 Apr 2000 07:28:00 GMT This track is probably "Nightmare" by the artist Brainbug. This song is constantly mislabeled as being a Kraftwerk track on Napster (who in the hell knows why; they sound nothing alike !) . - Josh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peeters Ivo" Subject: Re: (kw) (off topic) identify a track Date: 16 Apr 2000 19:51:57 +0200 It sounds ery familiar to me but I cannot identify it. Maybe it could be Giorgio Moroder. Ivo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) French "Expo 2000"? Date: 16 Apr 2000 14:40:02 -0400 EMI E2-88333 is the British enhanced version with the video. It might be the same catalog number for all of Europe. Therefore, all the credits will be in English. BTW, what's the difference between the version with the funky cover and the enhanced CD version anyway? They were both selling for the same price at an HMV in Times Square. I bought the enhanced version because the case was smaller, and I like enhanced CDs. And, I'm really feeling the fast version (2002, I think?). It seems visionary and curiously dated at the same time, mainly because of the snare-drum sounds. The snares on "EC" were their best. Well, whattaya expect after a 14-year hiatus, anyway? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: derrien@club-internet.fr Subject: Re: (kw) French "Expo 2000"? Date: 16 Apr 2000 21:17:35 +0200 >The French edition of the "Expo 2000" CD single (EMI 888333 0) was >originally scheduled for March 7th. Does anyone know if it is >actually out, or, if it isn't, when it will be released? > >Thanks, > Klaus Zaepke > > As I live in Paris, I saw the German and UK version of the Expo 2000 single. I didnt see the 2-track version they usually release in France. And I mentioned one week ago a Francois K remix of "Homecomputer". I was wrong, it's the original version contained in a recently released DJ mix by Francois K. Hope that helps, JCFromParis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) French "Expo 2000"? Date: 16 Apr 2000 22:37:54 +0000 > From: muziknut2@juno.com > > EMI E2-88333 is the British enhanced version with the video. It > might be the same catalog number for all of Europe. The catalogue numbers for the various European releases seem to be all different: The German version has 8 87984 2 6, the European (Dutch?) 2-track version has 8 88369 0 6, and the (postponed?) French version is supposed to have 8 88333 0 1, as far as I know. > From: derrien@club-internet.fr > > As I live in Paris, I saw the German and UK version of the Expo 2000 > single. I didnt see the 2-track version they usually release in France. A 2-track version does exist, but the French version was announced as a 4-track release, with the same tracklisting as the UK version, but with the "2002" radio edit instead of the "2000" radio edit. Is there any sign of such a release yet? BTW: A French 12" version was also announced for early March (8 88333 6 3, same tracklisting as the UK version), but this doesn't seem to be out either? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) (off topic) identify a track Date: 16 Apr 2000 17:51:20 +0200 The sound reminds me of the band "Mistral", who did "Starship 109". It could also very well be the French(?) band "Space" indeed from the 70's, who had a hit the name of which eludes me right now. Rick Jansen Arnaud de Bonald wrote: > Please help me identify this track. > This is a synth instrumental, maybe from a Soundtrack but probably from the 70's, it sounds very 70ish. > Here is the URL to a clip in .wav format > http://myftp.worldnet.fr/bonald/public/unknown.wav -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Humphrey" Subject: (kw) Cheerio - for a while Date: 16 Apr 2000 21:46:43 +0100 Hi everyone, I've been a member of these lists for about four years now. But I'm about to take a year out to check out the southern hemisphere. So I'm gonna have to un-subscribe for a while. I'll miss the regular banter and I'm glad to have been a very occasional part of it. And of course I've had the pleasure of trading with and meeting some of you. In particular, a big Yo! to Smiley and Erik G (still using those books?). Anyway, I'd better go and sort out what the play list for my walkman is going to be. Decisions Decisions eh? Cheers Mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ferris" Subject: Re: (kw) (off topic) identify a track Date: 16 Apr 2000 23:23:33 +0200 -----Original Message----- Cc: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > > >The sound reminds me of the band "Mistral", who did "Starship 109". > >It could also very well be the French(?) band "Space" indeed from >the 70's, who had a hit the name of which eludes me right now. > >Rick Jansen This Hit was called "Magic Fly" Fabien :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Casey Jones" Subject: (kw) Hullo Date: 16 Apr 2000 22:28:01 -0700 I haven't checked my list server mailbox for a few weeks, but I I just noticed someone wondering if they were the youngest kw fan on the list. I've been a pretty passive member, usually lurking in the shadows and waiting for people to post urls to good mp3s, etc. Anyway, I'm a big kw fan and I'm 16 as of the 14th. My friend who introduced me to kw has a German mother who had been to a few of their concerts and I can't be sure when he got into their music. But I'm reasonably sure that quite a few young people are becoming aware of the band and I'm doing my part to see that this continues happening. Blasted corporate radio... They'd never play anything as good as kw. But there is a good, little know college station out here (Radio1190/KVCU). Anyway, hello and goodbye to everyone! This has been a rather pointless message, but I had a little fun. Adios. - doctor colossus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Coen Rampen" Subject: RE: (kw) French "Expo 2000"? Date: 17 Apr 2000 08:57:04 +0200 > > From: muziknut2@juno.com > > > > EMI E2-88333 is the British enhanced version with the video. It > > might be the same catalog number for all of Europe. > > The catalogue numbers for the various European releases seem > to be all different: > The German version has 8 87984 2 6, the European (Dutch?) 2-track > version has 8 88369 0 6, and the (postponed?) French version is > supposed to have 8 88333 0 1, as far as I know. The UK version has 2 catno's: CDEM 562 and 7243 8 88333 0 1. My bet is they will release the UK version in France. Greetz, Coen Rampen c.rampen@student.utwente.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joarg@hsr.no (Joar Grimstvedt) Subject: Re: (kw) (off topic) identify a track Date: 17 Apr 2000 09:13:46 +0200 On Apr 16, 6:57pm, "Arnaud de Bonald" wrote: > Please help me identify this track. > This is a synth instrumental, maybe from a Soundtrack but probably from the 70's, it sounds very 70ish. [...] > http://myftp.worldnet.fr/bonald/public/unknown.wav The song is 'Running In The City' by Space, the French group led by Didier Marouani. Their big hit was 'Magic Fly' from 1977, but this is from their second album "Deliverance". More information at http://www.space.tm.fr/ and http://www.algonet.se/~jonwar/space.html. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt, joarg@hsr.no /// WWW: Enigma/Sandra http://www.five.no/joarg/ /// Eschew obfuscation. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Malis Subject: Re: (kw) Hullo Date: 17 Apr 2000 06:24:51 -0400 I Think That Casey Jones Wrote To Me In An eMail At 10:28 PM -0700 of 4/16/00: > I haven't checked my list server mailbox for a few weeks, but I I >just noticed someone wondering if they were the youngest kw fan on >the list. I've been a pretty passive member, usually lurking in the >shadows and waiting for people to post urls to good mp3s, etc. >Anyway, I'm a big kw fan and I'm 16 as of the 14th. Right Now, I'm 15 (12/27) >My friend who introduced me to kw has a German mother who had been >to a few of their concerts and I can't be sure when he got into >their music. But I'm reasonably sure that quite a few young people >are becoming aware of the band and I'm doing my part to see that >this continues happening. My Dad Introduced Me To It, And He's Been A Fan Since R+F, But I Have No Clue How He Found Out About Them > Blasted corporate radio... They'd never play anything as good as kw. I once talked to a friend who is a DJ in Boston -- He also loves KW, but the problem is that the corporate suits high-up in the stations don't --jon -Jon Independent Network Consultant Malis Consulting jmalis@mail.com AIM - JonMalis PGP Fingerprint: B32E 4B26 A2BC CF38 B56B C518 1179 DE90 1477 00E9 ---------- Consultant/System Admin/Network Admin/"The guy who broke it" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: (kw) mugs (aren't we) Date: 17 Apr 2000 12:15:11 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Y3fYrU2DGE5zGaDg+LInrQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit remind you of anyone? http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_712000/712487.stm the fact there's been no new album for fifteen years could easily be construed as 'criminal', if you ask me. :-) --Boundary_(ID_Y3fYrU2DGE5zGaDg+LInrQ) Content-type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="j.alsbury.vcf" Content-description: Card for Jon Alsbury Content-disposition: attachment; filename="j.alsbury.vcf" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit begin:vcard n:Alsbury;Jon tel;fax:0171 753 5120 tel;work:0171 753 3202 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.unl.ac.uk org:University of North London version:2.1 email;internet:j.alsbury@unl.ac.uk title:Webmanager / Intranet Developer adr;quoted-printable:;;Tower Building SG04,=0D=0AUniversity of North London,=0D=0A166 - 220 Holloway Road,;London;;N7 8DB;United Kingdom fn:Jon Alsbury end:vcard --Boundary_(ID_Y3fYrU2DGE5zGaDg+LInrQ)-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) t.b.a. Date: 15 Apr 2000 09:46:31 +0200 From www.brainwashed.com 's New Release section: JULY Kraftwerk - t.b.a. CD/LP (Kling Klang/EMI, Germany) DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) t.b.a. Date: 17 Apr 2000 15:15:57 +0200 t.b.a = to be announced ??? /Joakim -----Original Message----- ... Kraftwerk - t.b.a. CD/LP (Kling Klang/EMI, Germany)... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: FW: (kw) t.b.a. Date: 17 Apr 2000 14:49:02 +0100 Great - just in time for the t.d.f. > ---------- > From: Der Automat > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 8:46 am > To: Kraftwerk Mail List > Subject: (kw) t.b.a. > > > From www.brainwashed.com 's New Release section: > > JULY > Kraftwerk - t.b.a. CD/LP (Kling Klang/EMI, Germany) > ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: (kw) The 'Coconut' covers Date: 17 Apr 2000 15:11:53 +0100 Well, this morning I received the CD of Kraftwerk cover versions by Senor Coconut & his Combo, "El Baile Aleman" and I must admit its pretty cool, sort of Cal Tjader-like. This is real latino dance music which just happens to be using Kraftwerk's songs throughout. My only regret is that they sing the English versions of lyrics, whereas maybe translations into Spanish would have made the songs even more exotic. It's amazing how the various instruments (including vibes, congas and other percussion, as well as a brass section and accordion) are able to evoke the originals while remaining authentically latin -- Tour de France, Trans Europe Express and Neon Lights and Autobahn are particularly notable. The careful use of the stereo separation helps, as well. There's a nice humourous touch at the start of Autobahn: Sound of a car engin starting up, spluttering to a stop; trying again and again; then the sound of the driver getting out and walking off, muttering in Spanish... Anyone interested in buying it can get it through Tower Records or Amazon.com (but not Amazon's British or German sites). ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) favourite songs and Hongkong Date: 18 Apr 2000 08:44:51 +0200 They have! I can't recall exactly which show, but I'm sure I have at least one recording of Ohm Sweet Ohm live. It starts of really slow and accellerates to the same speed as the LP-version. It's a really great version. /Joakim -----Original Message----- ...but "Ohm Sweet Ohm" is a really fine thing - I wish Kraftwerk would play it live someday... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: timezero@home.se Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk videos... Date: 18 Apr 2000 14:56:56 +0200 (CEST) Sorry, lost my mails. Whats the adress to the archive with the KW videos? (Expo, authobahn etc.) ??? Daniel _________________________________________________________ En adress för livet registrerar du på http://www.home.se/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) favourite songs and Hongkong Date: 18 Apr 2000 15:31:31 +0200 > > They have! I can't recall exactly which show, but I'm sure I have at least > one recording of Ohm Sweet Ohm live. It starts of really slow and > accellerates to the same speed as the LP-version. It's a really great > version. > > /Joakim It's on "Computers in Love", Bruxelles 1981. Unfortunately the track has a sudden fade-out. Our friend had to turn the cassette. Jan ^^^v^^^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Electric Music Date: 18 Apr 2000 15:42:08 +0200 Seemingly there's another band (apart from the Bartos') called Electric Music. The following is found at http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=979342352/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/dis cography.html/ArtistID=ELECTRIC+MUSIC IMPORT SINGLES Psychics F.O. TRACK LISTING 01. Psychics Fo 02. Showstopper 03. Let It Flow NOTES EXPERIMENTAL DUB. MARKS A MUSICAL CONTINUATION IN THE PARTNERSHIP OF ANTH BROWN & TOM DOYLE'S SAMPLE-HEAVY LIVE PERFORMANCES. TITLE TRACK TAKES A LINE FROM REM'S "COUNTRY FEEDBACK". Genre: Dance Origin: ENG This is an import title. ZUBIZ DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "vig" Subject: (kw) FA: TOUR DE FRANCE US 12" Picture Sleeve Mint Date: 18 Apr 2000 09:41:42 -0400 I have the following item available for auction on eBay: TOUR DE FRANCE - US 12" w/ Picture Sleeve http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310213430 This auction ends next Sunday, April, 23 Pictures and description on eBay. Tons more at set sale prices on my site http://home.att.net/~vig/recordh.htm Thanks for looking David # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alexander C. Elz" Subject: (kw) ralf&florian picture vinyl Date: 18 Apr 2000 16:54:21 +0200 is anybody interested: ralf & florian picture vinyl. please mail: 1046-927@online.de cheers alex. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Karl Bartos URL Date: 18 Apr 2000 16:14:05 +0000 Someone sent me the following URL, which I don't think has been posted here? http://hamburg.geocity.de/bartos/ The maintainer says this site is not official (though it does look it...). Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: (kw) Somebody wanted the KW video archive... Date: 18 Apr 2000 16:34:31 +0100 http://website.lineone.net/%7Emike.pitt/tdk.htm ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: (kw) karl bartos @ expo 2000 ! ;-) Date: 18 Apr 2000 19:32:26 +0200 hi kwf's ! am i the first one here who finds it " a little bit strange " that kw - who made the expo 2000 "hymn" ! - won't play @ the expo in hannover ( or maybe @ a later date ?! ;-) but the former kw-member karl bartos will play @ the expo on the 2nd & 3rd of oct. in hannover !!! ;-) well ... what " a nice surprise " , isn't it ??? ;-) that really makes me think ! ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " a.k.a. the "incredible" micronaut alias el doctore jones ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) Bartos @ EXPO2K? Date: 18 Apr 2000 11:00:23 -0700 According to http://hamburg.geocity.de/bartos/=20 (Thanks Kevin for that link!) Karl Bartos *tourdates* for Y2K are: 31.05.2000 Electronic Beat Festival K=F6ln (VIVA II-Festival) 03.06.2000 Forte Riga Festival, Litauen 02.10.2000 Expo 2000 - Hannover 03.10.2000 Expo 2000 - Hannover/2. Tag EM's official site (http://www.spv.de) and http://www.expo2000.de=20 DON'T have anything on them to back this info up.=20 So, don't rush to the ticket counters yet. Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Electric Music Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:55:53 +0000 > Seemingly there's another band (apart from the Bartos') called Electric > Music. > The following is found at > http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=979342352/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/dis > cography.html/ArtistID=ELECTRIC+MUSIC > IMPORT SINGLES > Psychics F.O. > Origin: ENG > ZUBIZ Similarily, at www.amazon.co.uk: North London Spiritualist... Electric Music Audio CD (15 May, 2000) Label: Zubizaretta Catalogue Number: ZUB008CD Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bob hill Subject: (kw) question? Date: 18 Apr 2000 17:55:04 -0700 I have been wondering, what exactly is "the New ROBOT voice"? I would like to hear it. Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: (kw) Cheerio? Date: 17 Apr 2000 11:31:06 +0100 Mark Humphrey wrote: I'm about to take a year out to check out the southern hemisphere. So I'm gonna have to un-subscribe for a while. Why don't you open a hotmail (or similar free e-mail) account while you're travelling and subscribe to the list from there? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: (kw) E-mail Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:19:38 EDT I have received your E-mail. Two questions were sent to me! What happened? Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) question? Date: 18 Apr 2000 21:13:23 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, bob hill wrote: > I have been wondering, what exactly is > "the New ROBOT voice"? Presumably the new voice of ROBOT, an old regular on this list. ROBOT, if that is you, welcome back. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sam Brown" Date: 17 Apr 2000 14:24:22 GMT >t.b.a = to be announced ??? > >/Joakim > >-----Original Message----- >... Kraftwerk - t.b.a. CD/LP (Kling Klang/EMI, Germany)... Yeah, and the world is a disk. sam ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) t.b.a. Date: 17 Apr 2000 15:32:32 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 9:46 AM > From www.brainwashed.com 's New Release section: > > JULY > Kraftwerk - t.b.a. CD/LP (Kling Klang/EMI, Germany) > > DER AUTOMAT well ... believe it or not ! that perfectly matches with the info that i've recently got from my sources !!! ;-) my info reads like this : " kw won't play any concerts ( even @ the expo 2000 ! ) before the new album is finished & released ! maybe they'll play a concert @ the expo in july or august ( to coincide with the album release ;-) but not @ the originally stated date of june the 9th ! " hm ? ... is it all a great hoax ??? ... or maybe true !?!?!? let's wait & see !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " a.k.a. the "incredible" micronaut alias el doctore jones ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "nate rogers" Date: 17 Apr 2000 16:22:15 EDT "Connect Free" wrote: Dance? Who on Planet Earth dances to Kraftwerk? Well, I imagine Airwaves might be good to dance to, and Antenna would be good for breakdancing. -nate ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "nate rogers" Date: 17 Apr 2000 16:26:06 EDT Doctor Colossus: I'm 16 yearold Kraftwerk fan as well, and all my friends but one think they suck. :-/ Surprisingly, I learend about them in a punk rock magazine! -Nate ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gary pedoto" Date: 17 Apr 2000 17:45:03 EDT Does anyone have information on the new Kraftwerk tribute CD coming out soon? I saw it on Amazon and CD now. I think it's called "Cracking the Code." Gary ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sam Brown" Subject: RE: (kw) t.b.a. Date: 18 Apr 2000 14:37:17 GMT and the world is a disk? sam >From: "Svensson, Joakim" >To: Kraftwerk Mail List >Subject: RE: (kw) t.b.a. >Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:15:57 +0200 > > >t.b.a = to be announced ??? > >/Joakim > >-----Original Message----- >... Kraftwerk - t.b.a. CD/LP (Kling Klang/EMI, Germany)... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Mokris Subject: (kw) the "worst kw song" debate Date: 18 Apr 2000 13:14:27 -0400 (EDT) hi... i've been on this list for about a week, so please excuse my ineptitude... :^) i saw the discussion about "sex object" being a song that differs greatly from the standard kw ideology, and agree with that... it seems rather ironic that this, and "the telephone call", both from "electric cafe", concern topics that are quite atypical for kw, yet typical for "pop" music; that kw has generally been quite strict about keeping "work" separate from personal life, yet these seem to deviate from that standard. perhaps kw was attempting to sarcastically mock popular music (which they seem capable and willing of doing, as was hinted at in an interview i read, in which they seemed to mock the concepts presented by "the beach boys" when discussing "autobahn" and influences thereof). does anyone have any context for these songs or an interpretation of their real meaning? it was also mentioned that "autobahn" and "the model" clash with the kw ideology... i don't think this is necessarily true... it doesn't seem to me that kw had a definitive ideology when "autobahn" was released, aside from perhaps trying to express concepts of the present through their music (as seems to be the case with kw 1, 2, and r&f)... i think their "predicting the future"/"we are the robots" motif began with "radio-activity", which seems to have much more of a theoretical basis... "the model" seems to fit well within the context of "the man machine": "man machine" appears to be a orwellian ("1984") prediction of the future, mostly from the perspective of the proletariat. "the model" fits in with this because it describes a situation typical of orwell's view of proletarian thought and action. (i'd like to see more theoretical discussions of this sort if possible... i'll try to contribute... :^) ) in any event, i like the music to "sex object" quite a bit, though i can't stand the lyrics and the condemning manner in which they are said, so i did a little remix yesterday afternoon... the speech is removed (except for part of the speak-and-spell), and bits of "boing boom tschak" have been mixed in... :^) http://softpixel.com/~smokris/snd/jarg-obj-edit.mp3 i'm not a professional or anything, so it's probably rather bad... let me know what you think... (this was taken off the english version of the "electric cafe" cd and edited using sound forge 4.5 and cakewalk pro audio 7). peace, steve --- he who knows not and knows that he knows not is ignorant. teach him. he who knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool. go past him. he who knows and knows not that he knows is asleep. wake him. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: (kw) delayed mails ! :-/ Date: 18 Apr 2000 20:03:16 +0200 hi kwf's ! why do some mails have such a long delay before they appear on the list ??? i've received some mails two days after they've been originally posted !!! some of my own mails just appeared more than 6 hours later on the list !!! well ... i'm on a lot of mailing lists but that hasn't happened to me before ! :-/ it's slightly confusin' to read the replies before you've even have the chance to read the original mail ! :-/ that really doesn't makes sense to me @ all ! :-/ i would greatly appreciate it if someone can answer this question ! ;-) thanx a lot in advance & many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " a.k.a. the "incredible" micronaut alias el doctore jones ;-) p. s. : sorry for this kind of " one-off spam " ( ! ;-) ... but my followin' mail didn't make it to the list by now ! i've originally posted it on april the 17th @ 15:32 cet ! so here it is again ... or maybe for the first time !? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 9:46 AM ( LOOK @ THE DATE & TIME OF THIS MAIL !!! :-/ ) > From www.brainwashed.com 's New Release section: > > JULY > Kraftwerk - t.b.a. CD/LP (Kling Klang/EMI, Germany) > > DER AUTOMAT well ... believe it or not ! that perfectly matches with the info that i've recently got from my sources !!! ;-) my info reads like this : " kw won't play any concerts ( even @ the expo 2000 ! ) before the new album is finished & released ! maybe they'll play a concert @ the expo in july or august ( to coincide with the album release ;-) but not @ the originally stated date of june the 9th ! " hm ? ... is it all a great hoax ??? ... or maybe true !?!?!? let's wait & see !!! ;-) micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Griffin" Subject: (kw) Warning to webmaster of McCormick Place in Chicago Date: 18 Apr 2000 19:11:17 -0400 I thought this list might find this interesting. Lets make a stand for Ralf and Florian! Jeff -----Original Message----- http://www.mccormickplace.com/AttendeeServices.html On this link I found a copywrited image that you have no right using. It is the property of Kraftwerk, a German electronic band who is currently lawsuit happy. It is an image from their release 'Autobahn'. As a graphic artist and Kraftwerk fan I am troubled by their property being used in this manner. I am requesting the immediate removal of this image. The image in question is utilized on this page near the heading 'parking'. Thanks for your immediate attention on this issue Jeff Griffin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Griffin" Subject: (kw) Warning to webmaster of McCormick Place in Chicago Date: 18 Apr 2000 19:11:17 -0400 I thought this list might find this interesting. Lets make a stand for Ralf and Florian! Jeff -----Original Message----- http://www.mccormickplace.com/AttendeeServices.html On this link I found a copywrited image that you have no right using. It is the property of Kraftwerk, a German electronic band who is currently lawsuit happy. It is an image from their release 'Autobahn'. As a graphic artist and Kraftwerk fan I am troubled by their property being used in this manner. I am requesting the immediate removal of this image. The image in question is utilized on this page near the heading 'parking'. Thanks for your immediate attention on this issue Jeff Griffin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: (kw) E-mail Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:19:38 EDT I have received your E-mail. Two questions were sent to me! What happened? Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Warning to webmaster of McCormick Place in Chicago Date: 19 Apr 2000 06:26:16 +0200 On 19-Apr-00 A.D., Jeff Griffin carved the following runes about "(kw) Warning to webmaster of McCormick Place in Chicago": > > I thought this list might find this interesting. Lets make a stand for > Ralf and Florian! Seriously? Did you really send that mail? Well I found it amusing anyways. ;) After all it's the international(?) symbol for "highway" (or "Autobahn"). Well, I hope somebody sues them for their misleading use of the symbol as a parking sign. -- E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ilych@aol.com Subject: (kw) Re: KW stuff Date: 19 Apr 2000 00:34:06 EDT A few items: 1. It is good to see younger people's interest in Kraftwerk. Since becoming a veritable KW disciple a few years ago, I've managed to turn my brother, 19, and girlfriend, 20, on to their music. (Still werking on my 16-year-old sister, though.) :-/ 2. Same question as the micROBOT: Why is the stuff I post replied to before I even see it posted? It is not a big problem, really, but I am only curious. 3. Question for Jeff Griffin re: Autobahn logo used in Chicago's McCormick Place web page -- I may be wrong, but isn't that logo a sort of international symbol? If that is correct, isn't it protected against being copyrighted? Again, I am curious about this. I would like to know what kind of reply, if any, the McCormick people send back regarding the logo. (Though personally, I don't think we should rally around and 'make a stand' for Ralf and Florian -- they're quite capable, as we have seen, of doing it for themselves.) 4. July release t.b.a.? I, like most of you, I'm sure, will not believe it until it is in my hands. Greetings from Chicago, Bruno VanderVelde # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: (kw) (no subject) Date: 19 Apr 2000 00:42:10 EDT In case this works, to any one, Is the speak and spell available to purchase anywhere? I would love to get my hands on one!!!!!! Christian Claycomb Louisville Kentucky # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) (no subject) Date: 18 Apr 2000 23:28:57 -0600 (MDT) On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com wrote: > In case this works, to any one, > Is the speak and spell available to purchase anywhere? I would love to get my > hands on one!!!!!! Not new. I advise checking thrift stores, flea markets and garage sales. I've found two models of S&S, a cheap knockoff of it, and the alternate Speak & Read and Speak & Math versions at thrift stores here. I've always meant to sample all the sounds they made, but I've never had the time. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) Re: KW stuff Date: 18 Apr 2000 23:35:37 -0600 (MDT) On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 Ilych@aol.com wrote: > A few items: > 1. It is good to see younger people's interest in Kraftwerk. Since becoming a > veritable KW disciple a few years ago, I've managed to turn my brother, 19, > and girlfriend, 20, on to their music. (Still werking on my 16-year-old > sister, though.) :-/ Excellent. I try to spread the word too. I think I've god a couple of my friends on board. I find that "Homecomputer" is a great way to sell KW to computer people. Me and most of my friends are computer nerds. > 2. Same question as the micROBOT: Why is the stuff I post replied to before I > even see it posted? It is not a big problem, really, but I am only curious. List burps. It happens. I've never used mailing list software, but the underlying mail services have plently of their own gremlins (especially if it's sendmail). > back regarding the logo. (Though personally, I don't think we should rally > around and 'make a stand' for Ralf and Florian -- they're quite capable, as > we have seen, of doing it for themselves.) I have to agree. It's wrong to go around policing on the behalf of those who may not want it. Lawyers make this mistake based on good intentions all the time. Bring it to the attention of the victim and see if they want to do anything about it. Don't just assume they care. > 4. July release t.b.a.? I, like most of you, I'm sure, will not believe it > until it is in my hands. Exactly. The Expo 2000 single just came out here. I found one in HMV and snapped it up immediately, despite the hideous $18 price tag. If it were anyone but KW, I would have waited for it to show up used. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Familie de Haan Subject: (kw) Re: Date: 19 Apr 2000 07:56:05 +0200 ...and how about TEE, a record frequently namechecked by (then DJ) Afrika Bambaataa; 10.000.000 Americans can't be wrong... > From: "nate rogers" > Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:22:15 EDT > To: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > > > "Connect Free" wrote: > Dance? Who on Planet Earth dances to Kraftwerk? > > > Well, I imagine Airwaves might be good to dance to, and Antenna would be > good for breakdancing. > -nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) 1984 and other futures of the past Date: 19 Apr 2000 11:33:21 +0000 Steve Mokris wrote: > i've been on this list for about a week, so please excuse my ineptitude... On the contrary. Welcome... > "the model" seems to fit well within the context of "the man machine": > "man machine" appears to be a orwellian ("1984") prediction of the > future, mostly from the perspective of the proletariat. "the model" fits > in with this because it describes a situation typical of orwell's view of > proletarian thought and action. An interesting perspective, though the dystopian influence is almost undeniably Fritz Lang's 'Metropolis' rather than Orwell. Your explanation of 'The Model' in Orwellian terms is thought-provoking... However, you cannot deny the optimism of this album: space stations, robotic assistants, shimmering neon lights, technology as an enhancement to humans... The future we expected and have been cheated of. > (i'd like to see more theoretical discussions of this sort if possible... > i'll try to contribute... :^) ) Anything except a darn "poll". :-D > http://softpixel.com/~smokris/snd/jarg-obj-edit.mp3 Good work! Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Re: KW stuff Date: 19 Apr 2000 11:33:21 +0000 Soleil Lapierre wrote: > I have to agree. It's wrong to go around policing on the behalf of those > who may not want it. Lawyers make this mistake based on good intentions > all the time. Bring it to the attention of the victim and see if they want > to do anything about it. Don't just assume they care. But Jeff was just joking. Er, you were, weren't you Jeff? the new ROBOT voice ;-) wrote: > thanx a lot in advance & many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " > a.k.a. the "incredible" micronaut alias el doctore jones ;-) How about picking _one_ name and sticking with that for a while, eh? ;-) Soleil Lapierre wrote: >> I have been wondering, what exactly is >> "the New ROBOT voice"? > > Presumably the new voice of ROBOT, an old regular on this list. > > ROBOT, if that is you, welcome back. Surely not. There's not enough WHIRRing and ROBOSMILEYing and baldy-stalking. The abundance of exclamation marks and capitalisation is familiar, but most self-styled "robots" do that, it seems. Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: RE: (kw) Warning to webmaster of McCormick Place in Chicago Date: 19 Apr 2000 08:14:14 -0700 Jeff Griffin wrote: >I thought this list might find this interesting. >Lets make a stand for Ralf and Florian! Jeff, KW doesn't have a copyright to this sign, in fact this is Germany's "Autobahn Entrance Sign" and it marks entrance ramps to the autobahn, indicates the start of autobahn regulations and is the symbol used on signs giving directions to the autobahn. If you see this same symbol in "driving in Germany's autobahn" related sites (and you definitely will), save your time and don't write to them :-) Nevertheless, your support to our heroes is very much appreciated. Thanks pal, Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) El baile de la escoba Date: 19 Apr 2000 08:32:25 -0700 "Connect Free" wrote: Dance? Who on Planet Earth dances to Kraftwerk? Go to Blockbuster and rent "Breakdance". Wait until you feel Goosebumps all over your body. That's a couple of people right there (the guy who dances to TdF and the one who had the idea). Grab your calculator and add to them all of the artists whom found Numbers and TEE amusing enough to sample them for their own dance tunes, also add Sir William Orbit who mixed "The Model" into BBC's Essential Mix... plus... lets see... how about adding thousands of fans worldwide who danced to almost every tune they've played live? (some 15K at least on their Buenos Aires gig). That should give a somewhat precise idea of who on PE dances to KW. Enrique now dancing to: "Essential Mix" William Orbit # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) El baile de la escoba Date: 19 Apr 2000 17:30:30 +0000 Enrique Correa wrote: > Grab your calculator and add to them all > of the artists whom found Numbers and TEE amusing enough to sample them for > their own dance tunes Funnily enough I remember DJs in the late 70s and early 80s refusing requests to play Kraftwerk because "people wouldn't dance to it". A point to remember the next time you see a revisionist account of the role DJdom had in the creation of modern dance music... A few DJs helped change the face of modern music, but most of them were stuck in the past, just as they are now. The _audience_ was ahead of them. Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cancerperson" Subject: (kw) evil local stations Date: 19 Apr 2000 12:45:10 -0500 My local pop station has an "80's lunch hour" where they play music from the 80's from noon to one. This is an all request show, and i've called in many times to request something off of kraftwerk's 2 albums that were released during the 80's. One of the times, the DJ got a little chatty about it and said that he wasn't allowed to play kraftwerk because "it wasn't popular then and isn't popular now" If I remember correctly, kraftwerk's "the model" was on the B-side of the computer world single, and DJ's spent their attention on the B-side, driving "the model" up to #1 for a short time. In fact, the only radio station i've heard any kraftwerk song is WBAI during 2600's first broadcast of "off the hook". I was wondering if any other ppl are having problems getting local radio stations to play Kraftwerk, and if so, what are the DJ's reasons? brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) CD-R's for trade Date: 19 Apr 2000 10:43:10 -0700 Werkers, I have plenty of stuff that I can burn for trade. The amount of CD's I have is way to long to list here (about 800) and of course, includes Kraftwerk, Komputer, Mobile Homes, Yamo, EM, Aphex Twin, William Orbit, Orbital, Rational Youth, Orb, etc etc etc... You want some, I know u do, so lets share wish lists, shall we? Here's mine: Kraftwerk: "Computersymphonies part I" only (I lost it, don't ask me how!); "The Warfield Theatre Soundboard 98"; "Techno Pop"; any early boot with Bartos + Flur in them (preferably from the TMM & TEE years); Senor Coconut "El Baile Aleman" and AZUKX "Everything is Everything". Today's my B-day, and I live in Arizona. Anyone cares? Of course not. Anyway, drop me a line if you're interested, either in trading CD-R's or going out tonight to get drunk. Life is good at 34... Enrique NP: "The Beach" Motion Picture Soundtrack # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) evil local stations Date: 19 Apr 2000 12:13:44 -0600 (MDT) On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, cancerperson wrote: > I was wondering if any other ppl are having problems getting local radio > stations to play Kraftwerk, and if so, what are the DJ's reasons? I'm not in the habit of calling in requests, but I'm actually surprised at how much KW I hear on the radio. When I lived in Toronto, I would hear a KW track or a remix of one every other week on Deadly Hedley's Friday Night Dance Party. That's how I learned that The Mix had come out, actually - I heard something that made my spine tingle and thought, "That sounds way too much like KW!". A few days later I dropped by HMV and there it was. I was so happy. Here in Calgary, the University station plays KW on their late-night techno shows only every few months, but I have caught them using KW in their station ID messages sometimes. :) -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Author event? Date: 19 Apr 2000 22:55:19 +0000 > W. Fluer ex-Kraftwerk reads and tells stories at the > CENTRALSTATION in Darmstadt/Germany, Saturday 03.June 2000. Tickets are now available at http://shop.net-up.de/centralstation/fluer030600plan.html Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re: (kw) (no subject) Date: 20 Apr 2000 04:57:38 +0200 CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com writes: > >In case this works, to any one, >Is the speak and spell available to purchase anywhere? I would love to >get my=20 >hands on one!!!!!! =20 Who would=B4t... !!!!!! It=B4s not available for years now. > I got one at texas-instruments in switzerland 7 years ago. =20 ---josef > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) question? Date: 19 Apr 2000 13:06:28 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 2:55 AM > I have been wondering, what exactly is > "the New ROBOT voice"? well ... it's just MY NEW VOCODER !!! ;-))) > I would like to hear it. um ! ... that would be "difficult" ! ;-) but maybe i'll send you a sound-file to listen to it , bob ! ;-) so be patient ! you'll have to wait a little bit ! ;-) > Bob thanx a lot in advance & many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " a.k.a. the "incredible" micronaut alias el doctore jones ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) question? Date: 19 Apr 2000 13:22:48 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 5:13 AM > On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, bob hill wrote: > > > I have been wondering, what exactly is > > "the New ROBOT voice"? > > Presumably the new voice of ROBOT, an old regular on this list. NOPE ! ;-) i'm "slightly" new to this list & the whole " new ROBOT voice " thing is just a kind of joke !!! ;-))) well ... to be honest : my pseudonym "micROBOT" stands for " microphone robot " ! ;-) very simple , isn't it ??? ;-))) btw : my answering machine "listens" to the same name !!! *LOL* ;-))) > ROBOT, if that is you, welcome back. well ... i'm really sorry for NOT BEING "ROBOT" ! ;-) but i know HER !!! ;-) she joined my kwf newsgroup recently ! ;-) if u r interested ... here's the address : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans ! ;-) check it out if u like !!! ;-) > -- > /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " a.k.a. the "incredible" micronaut alias el doctore jones ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Warning to webmaster of McCormick Place in Chicago Date: 19 Apr 2000 14:55:58 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 1:11 AM > I thought this list might find this interesting. Lets make a stand for Ralf > and Florian! well ... i think R & F are " old enough " to make a stand for themselves !!! ;-))) > Jeff > > -----Original Message----- > > http://www.mccormickplace.com/AttendeeServices.html > > On this link I found a copywrited image that you have no right using. It is > the property of Kraftwerk, a German electronic band who is currently lawsuit > happy. It is an image from their release 'Autobahn'. As a graphic artist and > Kraftwerk fan I am troubled by their property being used in this manner. I > am requesting the immediate removal of this image. The image in question is > utilized on this page near the heading 'parking'. who the hell is "parkin'" on the 'autobahn' ??? *ROTFL* ;-))) maybe somebody who has experienced technical problems with his/her car ??? ;-))) i think R & F didn't experienced that kind of problems ... they both drive a daimler for years now !!! *LOL* ;-))) > Thanks for your immediate attention on this issue thank you , mr. griffin for bringin' this issue to our "immediate" attention !!! *CSLOL* ;-))) > Jeff Griffin yours sincerely , mr. mike robot ( chief assistant director of mccormick place in chicago ;-))) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sam Brown" Subject: Re: (kw) delayed mails ! :-/ Date: 19 Apr 2000 14:55:26 GMT yes i made the same experience. well i'm new. maybe it's normal. sam >From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" >To: "kwml" >Subject: (kw) delayed mails ! :-/ >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:03:16 +0200 > > >hi kwf's ! > >why do some mails have such a long delay before they appear on the list ??? >i've received some mails two days after they've been originally posted !!! >some of my own mails just appeared more than 6 hours later on the list !!! >well ... i'm on a lot of mailing lists but that hasn't happened to me >before >! :-/ >it's slightly confusin' to read the replies before you've even have the >chance to read the original mail ! :-/ >that really doesn't makes sense to me @ all ! :-/ > >i would greatly appreciate it if someone can answer this question ! ;-) > >thanx a lot in advance & many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice >" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: KW stuff Date: 19 Apr 2000 14:02:49 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 1:33 PM > the new ROBOT voice ;-) wrote: > > > thanx a lot in advance & many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " > > a.k.a. the "incredible" micronaut alias el doctore jones ;-) > > How about picking _one_ name and sticking with that for a while, eh? ;-) well ... okay ! i've just use this " x-tended signature " because some of u might recognize me as the "incredible" micronaut or el doctore jones ... somehow ! ;-))) now i think most of u know who i am , eh ?! ;-))) otherwise u can ask my answering machine with the same name !!! *LOL* ;-))) here's the number : ++ 49 + 18 05 / 66 16 66 81 41 7 ( btw : the female voice on it IS NOT MINE !!! ;-))) > Soleil Lapierre wrote: > > >> I have been wondering, what exactly is > >> "the New ROBOT voice"? > > > > Presumably the new voice of ROBOT, an old regular on this list. > > > > ROBOT, if that is you, welcome back. > > Surely not. There's not enough WHIRRing and ROBOSMILEYing and > baldy-stalking. The abundance of exclamation marks and capitalisation is > familiar, but most self-styled "robots" do that, it seems. damn right , kev !!! ;-))) > Kevin however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Lloyd Subject: Re: (kw) Warning to webmaster of McCormick Place in Chicago Date: 19 Apr 2000 11:01:14 -0400 on 4/18/00 11:55 PM, kraftwerk-digest at "Jeff Griffin" Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:11:17 -0400 > From: "Jeff Griffin" > Subject: (kw) Warning to webmaster of McCormick Place in Chicago > > I thought this list might find this interesting. Lets make a stand for Ralf > and Florian! > Jeff > > - -----Original Message----- > > http://www.mccormickplace.com/AttendeeServices.html > > On this link I found a copywrited image that you have no right using. It is > the property of Kraftwerk, a German electronic band who is currently lawsuit > happy. It is an image from their release 'Autobahn'. As a graphic artist and > Kraftwerk fan I am troubled by their property being used in this manner. I > am requesting the immediate removal of this image. The image in question is > utilized on this page near the heading 'parking'. > > Thanks for your immediate attention on this issue > > Jeff Griffin Isn't the symbol in question a normal sign in Germany depicting a highway, and not a trademark of Kraftwerk? blloyd@mac.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) the "worst kw song" debate Date: 19 Apr 2000 14:40:39 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 7:14 PM > --- > he who knows not and knows that he knows not is ignorant. teach him. > he who knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool. go past him. > he who knows and knows not that he knows is asleep. wake him. hey steve ! welcome to the club !!! ;-))) u seem 2 be such " an intelligent ROBOT " !!! *LOL* ;-))) " he who knows & knows that he knows is A HUMAN BEING ... NOT A ROBOT ! ;-) educate him ! ;-) " however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BenediktRochow@oaktech.com Subject: (kw) Re: Warning to webmaster of McCormick Place in Chicago Date: 19 Apr 2000 13:27:26 -0400 Jeff Griffin writes: >I thought this list might find this interesting. Lets make a >stand for Ralf and Florian! >- -----Original Message----- > >http://www.mccormickplace.com/AttendeeServices.html > >On this link I found a copywrited image that you have no right using. And see this page: http://www.stummeier.de/zeichen/42stvo2.html It appears they actually sell two different large-size prints (on metal, expensively, no less!) of this,and I doubt they're paying any royalties to KW. -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christofer Bernander" Subject: SV: (kw) Re: KW stuff Date: 19 Apr 2000 20:35:02 +0200 -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Soleil Lapierre > >Excellent. I try to spread the word too. I think I've god a couple of = my >friends on board. I find that "Homecomputer" is a great way to sell KW = to >computer people. Me and most of my friends are computer nerds. > Does it really take that much of an effort to sell KW to computer = people? =3Do) It seems to me that now is a better time than ever to get people = interested in KW, especially the records released between 75-81. I have = no explanation for this nor the fact that girls seem to like these = records more than guys (except for the computer geeks...) I better add that I don't have any scientific evidence behind these = claims... / Christofer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Geoff Watson" Subject: (kw) 2001 Date: 19 Apr 2000 22:36:50 +0100 check nme.com newsdesk for more 'will they won't they' news # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Sundkvist" Subject: Re: (kw) evil local stations Date: 20 Apr 2000 01:05:56 CEST Well, up here in Sweden the local stations plays KW a lot: * When Expo2000 came out they played both the "Radio Mix" and "KK Mix 2002" many times a day. * One station plays "The Model" 3-4 times a week. * I've been invited by a friend to his one-hour long show. He wants me to talk about KW (and of course play their biggest songs like Autobahn, PC, The Robots and many more). The program is about modern music. Every week he is going to introduce a new artist/group. /Erik ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "nate rogers" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Date: 19 Apr 2000 19:41:34 EDT > > >...and how about TEE, a record frequently namechecked by (then DJ) Afrika >Bambaataa; 10.000.000 Americans can't be wrong... > exactly!! i heard planet rock (afrika bambaataa) first and it took me awhile to realize the coonection, but i love both songs and got some breakdnacing done to both. -nate ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JL Jones" Subject: Re: (kw) 1984 and other futures of the past Date: 19 Apr 2000 23:00:36 -0400 How have we been cheated with regards to the future? I personally don't see it that way. Due in part to things like Kraftwerk's music and other interests of mine. Things may not be all that and a bag of potato chips in the world but to me as long as there are those that have some kind of vision, or even a sense of humour such that we as humans are able to keep our perspective about where we've been and where we are going we'll be all right. For me, Kraftwerk's music has most definitely contributed to this feeling. R&F aren't really visionaries, I always took it they make music the way they like. People on the list may whine about their output etc. but they've got nothing to prove to any of us as fans or anyone else for that matter.. /home/lunarpark-1/Jim J. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 7:33 AM > An interesting perspective, though the dystopian influence is almost > undeniably Fritz Lang's 'Metropolis' rather than Orwell. Your explanation of > 'The Model' in Orwellian terms is thought-provoking... However, you cannot > deny the optimism of this album: space stations, robotic assistants, > shimmering neon lights, technology as an enhancement to humans... The future > we expected and have been cheated of. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JL Jones" Subject: (kw) speak and spells Date: 19 Apr 2000 23:15:35 -0400 Try ebay... I know, i went looking for one on there they have 'em... /home/lunarpark-1/Jim J. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 10:57 PM CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com writes: > >In case this works, to any one, >Is the speak and spell available to purchase anywhere? I would love to >get my >hands on one!!!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "pboy" Subject: R: (kw) El baile de la escoba Date: 20 Apr 2000 08:35:13 +0200 ----- Kevin Busby wrote: > ... A few DJs helped change the face > of > modern music, but most of them were stuck in the past, just as they are > now. > The _audience_ was ahead of them. > I couldn't agree more. I've always been a KW-fan since i was a very young boy and now i'm also very interested in modern electronic dance/music, from Techno to Drum 'n' Bass ... A lot of very powerful and hypnotic stuffs have been made by people (PRODIGY's leader Liam Howlett, UNDERWORLD, CHEMICAL BROTHERS, ORBITAL, PHOTEK, DAFT PUNK, FATBOY SLIM, etc.) that started their musical activity as DJ. And they all have to pay an enormous tribute to KW !!!! Unfortunately there is another kind of DJ (and my country, Italy, is full of them !!!!!) who invented that stupid easy/dance (do you remember <> by "Corona", or the band, "Eiffel 65" that got a big success in U.S.A. ? well, all they are products made in Italy) !!!!! Most of the music they produce has very poor sales (while the artists i mentioned at the beginning of my message are always in the charts) but they still bomb your brain on the radio and in the clubs with the rubbish they do !!!! Thy've got too much power here and of course they don't even consider the existence of KW !!!! So the music i can listen and dance to depends on them, not on people's taste !!!!!! Best Regards PBOY # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cancerperson" Subject: (kw) re: evil radio stations Date: 20 Apr 2000 01:58:34 -0500 that's one thing i've also noticed about my local station, they *will* use computer world as a voice-over track...when i asked the DJ about why they voice-over computer world, he denied that it was computer world.... oh well. I'd like to see my university get a better npr station that allows ppl to have even an hour a week play whatever they want.... as much as i like click and clack, fresh air, and all things considered, my station focuses too much on the informational stuff and not enough on pure student driven entertainment. I program my home computer, beem myself into the future # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nowhere000@aol.com Subject: Re: R: (kw) El baile de la escoba Date: 20 Apr 2000 05:44:02 EDT HAHAHAHAHAH hahahaha pull the trigger In a message dated 4/20/00 2:40:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MDISANTE@sogei.it writes: << A lot of very powerful and hypnotic stuffs have been made by people (PRODIGY's leader Liam Howlett, UNDERWORLD, CHEMICAL BROTHERS, ORBITAL, PHOTEK, DAFT PUNK, FATBOY SLIM, etc.) that started their musical activity as DJ. And they all have to pay an enormous tribute to KW >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jean-Claude FORE" Subject: (kw) Tomorrow parties Date: 20 Apr 2000 19:08:01 +0200 TOMORROW'S ER, ALL TOMORROW'S PARTIES NEIL YOUNG, KRAFTWERK and AUTECHRE are being invited to play the next ALL TOMORROW'S PARTIES festival in April 2001, nme.com can reveal. Chicago's Tortoise will work hand-in-hand with promoters Foundation in picking the bill, following the success of Mogwai's event, held at Camber Sands Holiday Centre on April 7-9. Foundation's Barry Hogan told nme.com: "Tortoise have already given me th= eir wish list and there are some juicy names on it. The ethos of ATP is to promote bands whose influence extends beyond the mainstream. We want the interesting rather than the mundane." It's now strongly rumoured that Shellac will curate the festival in 2002. Hogan continued: "Shellac loved this year's festival. They made an approa= ch immediately after their set and gave me their ideal bill the next morning. It too is very interesting and not what you would expect." For regular updates see ATP's website www.alltomorrowsparties.co.uk. You = can also see interviews with Steve Albini, Arab Strap, The Delgados and Gorky= s Zygotic Mynci on the nme.com Special Features page from this month's All Tomorrow's Parties. \\\// -(@ @)- +-------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------+ =A6 Jean-Claude For=E9 =A6 =A6 .oooO Oooo. =A6 +-------------( )---( )-------------+ \ ( ) / \_) (_/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord" Subject: SV: (kw) re: evil radio stations Date: 20 Apr 2000 20:30:56 +0200 Hey, I used to play KW every week for 2 years in a electronic music radio = show I did on a local station just outside Oslo, Norway in the early = 90s. On another station, I played KW about twice a month for 1 year. = Just for the record. Jarre forever! Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Emusic http://w3.to/_emusic # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Warning to webmaster of McCormick Place in Chicago Date: 20 Apr 2000 17:54:52 +0200 Oooh, they also use the word "Kraftfahrzeug!". Isn't that a word invented by Wolfgang Fluer, I wonder? Rick Jansen > >http://www.mccormickplace.com/AttendeeServices.html > > > >On this link I found a copywrited image that you have no right using. > > And see this page: > > http://www.stummeier.de/zeichen/42stvo2.html > > It appears they actually sell two different large-size prints (on metal, > expensively, no less!) of this,and I doubt they're paying any > royalties to KW. -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ullrich Peter Subject: AW: (kw) Re: Warning to webmaster of McCormick Place in Chicago Date: 21 Apr 2000 09:09:55 +0200 >Oooh, they also use the word "Kraftfahrzeug!". >Isn't that a word invented by Wolfgang Fluer, I wonder? No, this is a total normal German word meaning just "automobile" ! Translation word by word: Kraft - stregth, force, power (techn.) Fahrzeug - vehicle Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: http://come.to/ullrich or the full link http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/3586/ Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician .oooO KAPSCH AG / ECCN Vienna / Austria ( ) Oooo. Traffic Control and Transmission Technology ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Schuldt" Subject: Re:(kw) El baile de la escoba Date: 20 Apr 2000 20:56:24 +0200 Why Not? I sometimes listen to "darker" or more uptempo stuff than KW, my = favorites are Clock DVA, Laibach, Portion Control, a:grumh and Frontline = Assembly even aphex twins does it some days.....it must be possible to = enjoy more than just KW! or? I just downloaded napster and it's amazing what cool bootlegs and = homemade remixes U can find there! Best Regards! /skylt (passive old timer) ************************************************************ Skylt,s want and sell lists are situated here: http://w1.461.telia.com/~u46106104/CDsale.html ************************************************************ >=20 > HAHAHAHAHAH > hahahaha > pull the trigger > << A lot of very powerful and hypnotic stuffs have > been made by people (PRODIGY's leader Liam Howlett, UNDERWORLD, = CHEMICAL > BROTHERS, ORBITAL, PHOTEK, DAFT PUNK, FATBOY SLIM, etc.) that started = their > musical activity as DJ. And they all have to pay an enormous = tribute to KW=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Martland" Subject: (kw) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:12:28 +0100 Date: 21 Apr 2000 06:11:03 -0600 >Oooh, they also use the word "Kraftfahrzeug!". >Isn't that a word invented by Wolfgang Fluer, I wonder? +No, this is a total normal German word meaning just "automobile" ! +Translation word by word: +Kraft - stregth, force, power (techn.) +Fahrzeug - vehicle 'In the search for robotic perfection we were forced to remove our irony chips.' (the Kraftbot chronicles 2005) Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Malis Subject: Re: (kw) evil local stations Date: 20 Apr 2000 12:50:20 -0400 I Think That cancerperson Wrote In An eMail At 1:58 AM -0500 of 4/20/00: >that's one thing i've also noticed about my local station, they *will* use >computer world as a voice-over track...when i asked the DJ about why they >voice-over computer world, he denied that it was computer world.... That happens with one of my favorite radio stations where I live too, but the DJ loves KW and his excuse is that the program directors won't let him play it because no one likes Kraftwerk >I program my home computer, beem myself into the future So do I =) --jon -Jon Independent Network Consultant Malis Consulting jmalis@mail.com AIM - JonMalis PGP Fingerprint: B32E 4B26 A2BC CF38 B56B C518 1179 DE90 1477 00E9 ---------- Consultant/System Admin/Network Admin/"The guy who broke it" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "TiMezero [Daniel Mark]" Subject: (kw) Ready For EXPO? Date: 21 Apr 2000 09:00:35 -0700 Ok what I heard Kraftwerk will perform the 9th of June? I checked the Expo site today, and couldnt find more then information about the limeted expo 2000 edition, and it was no post of them at the events calender. So is there any information yet? Daniel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) Ready For EXPO? Date: 21 Apr 2000 18:06:30 +0200 The KRAFTWERK-gig at the EXPO is canceled. Gunnar TiMezero [Daniel Mark] schrieb: > > Ok what I heard Kraftwerk will perform the 9th of June? I checked the Expo > site today, and couldnt find more then information about the limeted expo > 2000 edition, and it was no post of them at the events calender. > > So is there any information yet? > > Daniel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: (kw) Stores with KW-stuff in New York/Manhattan? Date: 21 Apr 2000 22:38:28 +0200 Is anybody out there living in/around the city of NY? I would like to know where I can find a good KW-equiped and of course cheap ;-) music-store in NY/Manhattan. Please e-mail me privatly if you can help me. Thanks in advance, Georgie -- *-*-*- * "Wir sind die Roboter" + KRAFTWERK + http://www.kraftwerk.com * * EXPO 2000 + Mensch-Natur-Technik + http://www.expo2000.de * * * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) + ICQ: 53829477 * * http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ + phone/SMS: +436765621850 * *-*-*-* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank X. Cordero" Subject: (kw) Sorry, Kraftwerk Date: 21 Apr 2000 13:56:36 PDT So, Kraftwerk didn't make the CD Compilation: OHM: The Early Guru's of Electronic Music Ellipsis Arts CD3670 OHM's curator/producer=Jason Gross Works by Messiaen, Cage, Varese, Babbitt, Subotnick , Klaus Shulze. http://members.tripod.com/DJFRANKX/index.html NP: Dooms Night- Azzido Da Bass ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) El baile de la escoba Date: 21 Apr 2000 14:30:48 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 7:30 PM > Funnily enough I remember DJs in the late 70s and early 80s refusing > requests to play Kraftwerk because "people wouldn't dance to it". A point to > remember the next time you see a revisionist account of the role DJdom had > in the creation of modern dance music... A few DJs helped change the face of > modern music, but most of them were stuck in the past, just as they are now. well ... kevin ... but remember : WHERE WOULD WE ( & THE WHOLE GENRE OF MODERN "ELECTRONIC" (DANCE)MUSIC ;-) BE NOW WITHOUT THE WHOLE DJ THING ??? NOWHERE ( or just in the ages of AOR - Adult Orientated Rockmusic !!! :-/// ) i suppose !!! i'm a kwf ( kraftwerkfan ;-) & a deejay as well !!! ;-) ... & to me it makes perfect sense !!! ;-) btw : i CONSTANTLY play kw in my deejay sets & in my own radio shows as well !!! ;-) > The _audience_ was ahead of them. hm ??? i think that's TOTALLY WRONG !!! :-/ the audience will NEVER be ahead of anything a deejay or producer or musicain is doin' !!! just imagine : WHERE WOULD THE AUDIENCE BE WITHOUT THE MUSIC A DEEJAY OR PRODUCER OR MUSICIAN IS PLAYIN' TO THEM ??? NOWHERE ( or just in the "nirvana" of an empty space !!! :-/// ) i suppose !!! without a deejay or producer or musicain there would be no music & without the music there would be no audience!!! it's just as simple as this !!! btw : i think that the whole deejay thing is a natural development in the history of music ( goin' hand in hand with the technological development of music instruments & equipment in general ) ! once there was only musicians ... then there was producers & musicians ... & now there are deejays / producers & musicians !!! so WHY don't we simply enjoy this great variety of possibilities ??? i still do it !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: Re: (kw) evil local stations Date: 21 Apr 2000 17:33:24 +0200 A DJ and journalist in my favourite radio station (Popolare Network - the biggest independent radio network in Italy) is a big KW fan and regularly broadcasts KW music. His name is Chawki Senouci - I don't know his origins, but I somewhat suppose he's not european... As you can recall from my previous posts, Popolare Network also had Expo 2000 as "single of the week" some time ago. ciao, *luca* cancerperson wrote: > >that's one thing i've also noticed about my local station, they *will* use > >computer world as a voice-over track...when i asked the DJ about why they > >voice-over computer world, he denied that it was computer world.... Jon Malis wrote: > That happens with one of my favorite radio stations where I live too, > but the DJ loves KW and his excuse is that the program directors > won't let him play it because no one likes Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Griffin" Subject: (kw) Fw: Warning to webmaster of McCormick Place in Chicago Date: 19 Apr 2000 14:24:17 -0400 Stop the movement!!! Tear down the protest banners around the McCormick Place. It has all been a mistake. I'm going back to lurking where it is safe. I'm glad that some of you had a sense of humor about this. It has been a learning experience for me. I guess that Kraftwerk won't be setting up toll booths along the autobahn for their cut of the royalties from their logo anytime soon. Hanging my head in shame. Jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) evil local stations Date: 21 Apr 2000 15:35:19 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 7:45 PM > My local pop station has an "80's lunch hour" where they play music from the > 80's from noon to one. This is an all request show, and i've called in many > times to request something off of kraftwerk's 2 albums that were released > during the 80's. One of the times, the DJ got a little chatty about it and > said that he wasn't allowed to play kraftwerk because "it wasn't popular > then and isn't popular now" what kind of snobbish / arrogant person is this who called himself a "deejay" & which damned radio station do u mean ??? :-/// > If I remember correctly, kraftwerk's "the model" was on the B-side of the > computer world single, and DJ's spent their attention on the B-side, driving > "the model" up to #1 for a short time. In fact, the only radio station i've > heard any kraftwerk song is WBAI during 2600's first broadcast of "off the > hook". > > I was wondering if any other ppl are having problems getting local radio > stations to play Kraftwerk, and if so, what are the DJ's reasons? > > brian well ... some of the ( not only local ! ;-) radio stations are really rubbish & - i'm sorry for that ! ( but not really ! ;-))) - some of their employees are stupid & ignorant wanna-be's !!! ;-))) i know that because i was workin' some time ago for one of those damned stations & those damned wanna-be's before i've decided to go "independent" & launch my own shows on an independent network in germany called " offener kanal " - which simply means " public channel " or somethin' like that ! ;-) now i was producin' my own radio shows together with some friends of mine for about five years & we're currently workin' on somethin' that might be very interestin' for all kwf's ( kraftwerkfans ;-) out there : >> THE ( MAYBE ! ;-) BIGGEST KRAFTWERK SPECIAL transmitted live on the www ( in one go ! ;-) ever !!! ;-) << it is scheduled to go ahead in summer ( this year ! ;-) - maybe in july or august ! ;-) WE NEED THE SUPPORT of kwf's around the webwideworld to get a unique & outstanding list of trax ( or songs ;-) together !!! i've got all the regular kw albums & a lot of their singles ( 7"s & 12"s ) but i really need some of the not so well known material & - of course ! ;-) - also some good bootleg material !!! ( mp3s or whatever ! ;-) btw : are there any 10"s made of kw trax ( or songs ;-) ??? i didn't heard of somethin' like that ! if u like to contribute somethin' to this kw special - via the www - just drop me a line & i'll soon reply to u !!! ;-) well ... i think u are curious about where exactly & how long this kw special will take place , aren't u ??? ;-))) here are the "location" & the dates & times - so far : the internet address will be www.jointventureradio.de ( btw : under this address u still can find our regular radio shows ! they are currently transmitted every fri. to sat. night startin' @ midnight cet central european time ) until 05:00 a.m. or even longer ! ;-) / the running-time of the kw special will approximately be 12 hours ( or even longer ! ;-) also startin' on fri. to sat. @ midnight cet until the next noon !!! ;-) just send me a mail if u want some more info about this kw special !!! ;-) any help to get this kw special together would be greatly appreciated !!! ;-) thanx a lot in advance & many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nitrous Subject: Re: (kw) Sorry, Kraftwerk Date: 21 Apr 2000 20:48:18 -0400 Was kraftwerk the back up band for "The partridge family" Happy holidays to all. Nitrous~~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "vig" Subject: (kw) FA: TOUR DE FRANCE - ENDS SUNDAY - US 12" Picture Sleeve Mint Date: 22 Apr 2000 10:00:24 -0400 I have the following item available for auction on eBay ending this Sunday: TOUR DE FRANCE - US 12" w/ Picture Sleeve http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310213430 This auction ends this Sunday, April, 23 Pictures and description on eBay. Tons more at set sale prices on my site http://home.att.net/~vig/recordh.htm Thanks for looking David # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sam Brown" Subject: Re: (kw) Fw: Warning to webmaster of McCormick Place in Chicago Date: 22 Apr 2000 07:20:13 GMT McCormick Place have the law on their side. their symbol is green and not blue. sam >From: "Jeff Griffin" >To: >Subject: (kw) Fw: Warning to webmaster of McCormick Place in Chicago >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:24:17 -0400 > > >Stop the movement!!! Tear down the protest banners around the McCormick >Place. It has all been a mistake. I'm going back to lurking where it is >safe. I'm glad that some of you had a sense of humor about this. It has >been >a learning experience for me. I guess that Kraftwerk won't be setting up >toll booths along the autobahn for their cut of the royalties from their >logo anytime soon. > >Hanging my head in shame. > >Jeff > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Finarvas Subject: Re: (kw) delayed mails ! :-/ Date: 23 Apr 2000 01:24:24 +0200 I often get replies of mails I have not even read the original message of :-) /Finarvas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: (kw) >> chat alert !!! << ( this is a special info service for all kwf newsgroup members ! ;-) Date: 23 Apr 2000 19:12:57 +0200 hi kwf's ! *chat-alert* !!! ( once again ;-))) the next kwf chat is NOT on easter sunday !!! it will be on easter monday , the 24th of april @ 21:00 cet !!! so don't miss it !!! ;-) topics are : the court case ! ( kw vs. wolfgang flür ! ) / the kwf party ! / news ! ( karl bartos @ expo 2000 !? ) etc. ! ;-) hope 2 c u there !!! @ www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans ! ;-) *chatteräätäätää* !!! ;-))) bye 4 now ! the "incredible" micronaut a.k.a. doc jones - your host ;-) p. s. : better known to the kwml as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Morgan" Subject: (kw) expo 2000 trance remix Date: 23 Apr 2000 17:22:29 GMT For a short time only mono mp3 file of Kraftwerk expo2000 trance remix at www.abn09.dial.pipex.com and click on the expo logo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juan Vega" Subject: (kw) Happy Easter Date: 23 Apr 2000 16:54:07 -0300 From Argentina Happy Easter Werker's. Juan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: (kw) Speak & Spell sounds up Date: 24 Apr 2000 00:58:33 -0600 (MDT) At the request of a list member, I have put up a short MP3 file of some Speak & Spell sounds. You can get it from: http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs/filez/ I don't have the time right now to do a full set of sounds. It has a much larger vocabulary than what you'll hear. I'll leave the file there for a week or so. Enjoy. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tjodolf Ulriksen" Subject: (kw) NEWS Date: 24 Apr 2000 07:24:25 -0700 VGhpcyBpcyBteSBmaXJzdCBwb3N0aW5nIHRvIHRoaXMgbGlzdCwgc28geW91IGtub3cgdGhp cyBpcyBzb21ldGhpbmcgSSd2ZSBiZWVuIGFjaGluZyB0byBzYXkuDQoNCkRvZXMgYW55b25l IGJlc2lkZXMgbWUgZmluZCB0aGUgdHJhY2sgIk5FV1MiIGZhc2NpbmF0aW5nPyBJJ20gaW50 ZXJlc3RlZCBpbiBoaWRkZW4gbWVzc2FnZXMgb24gcmVjb3JkcywgYW5kIHRoaXMgb25lIHRh a2VzIHRoZSB3aG9sZSB0aGluZyB0byBhIHN0YWdnZXJpbmcgbmV3IGxldmVsLiBUaGVyZSBh cmUgbWFueSB3YXlzIHlvdSBjYW4gaGlkZSBtZXNzYWdlcyBvbiByZWNvcmRzOyBhIHNpbXBs ZSBvbmUgaXMgdG8gd3JpdGUgImFib3V0IiBzb21ldGhpbmcgaW5zdGVhZCBvZiAiZm9yIiBv ciAiYWdhaW5zdCIgaXQuIFRvZGF5LCBpdCBzZWVtcyB2ZXJ5IGNsZWFyIHRoYXQgS3JhZnR3 ZXJrIGFyZSBhZ2FpbnN0IG51Y2xlYXIgcG93ZXIuDQoNClRvIGZ1cnRoZXIgaGlkZSB0aGUg bWVhbmluZywgdGhleSBoYXZlIGZpdmUgdm9pY2VzIHNpbXVsdGFuZW91c2x5LCBpbiBub24t c3RhbmRhcmQgR2VybWFuIGRpYWxlY3RzLCBhbGwgZGlzdG9ydGVkIGFuZCBhbGwgYnVyaWVk IGluIHJhZGlvIG5vaXNlcy4gR29vZCBsdWNrIGZpZ3VyaW5nIG91dCB3aGF0IHRoZXkncmUg c2F5aW5nLg0KDQpIYXMgYW55b25lIGhhZCBhbnkgbW9yZSBsdWNrIHRoYW4gST8gQmVjYXVz ZSBJJ3ZlIGZpZ3VyZWQgb3V0IHRoZSBiZWdpbm5pbmcgb2YgdGhlIGZpcnN0IGZvdXI7IHRo ZSBXZXN0cGhhbGlzY2hlIFJ1bmRmdW5rICg/KSBndXkgaXMgdG9vIGRpc3RvcnRlZCBmb3Ig bXkgbGltaXRlZCBHZXJtYW4uIEF0IHRoZSBlbmQsIGl0IHNvdW5kcyBhcyB0aG91Z2ggdGhl IGZpcnN0IHZvaWNlIGZpbmlzaGVzIGFuZCBhbm90aGVyIGJlZ2lucywgYnV0IHRoaXMgYml0 IGlzIGZhciBmcm9tIGNsZWFyIHRvIG1lLg0KDQpJcyBpdCBtb3JlIGNsZWFyIHRvIGFueW9u ZSBlbHNlPyBJcyBpdCBjbGVhcmVyIG9uIHRoZSBDRD8gKEkgaGF2ZSBhbiBvbGQgR2VybWFu IHByZXNzaW5nLikgU2VwYXJhdGluZyB0aGUgc3RlcmVvIGNoYW5uZWxzIGhlbHBzIGEgbGl0 dGxlIGJpdDsgSSB0aGluayBJIGNhbiBoZWFyIHRoZSBudW1iZXJzIDMwMCBhbmQgMjAwMCBp biB3aGF0IHRoZSBCYXlyaXNjaGUgUnVuZGZ1bmsgZ3V5IGlzIHNheWluZy4gSSd2ZSByZWFk IGFib3V0IGEgdGVjaG5pcXVlIGNhbGxlZCBPT1BTaW5nLCB3aGVyZWJ5IHlvdSBjYW4gY2Fu Y2VsIG91dCB0aGUgdHdvIHN0ZXJlbyBjaGFubmVscyBhbmQgb25seSBoZWFyIHRoZSBzbWFs bCBzb3VuZHMgdGhhdCBub3JtYWxseSBnZXQgYnVyaWVkIChyb3VnaGx5IGRlc2NyaWJlZCks IHNvIEknZCBiZSBpbnRlcmVzdGVkIHRvIGtub3cgaWYgYW55b25lIGhhcyBoYWQgYSBnbyBh dCB0aGF0Lg0KDQpJJ3ZlIGFscmVhZHkgd3JpdHRlbiB0byBLbGF1cyBa5HBrZSBhYm91dCB0 aGlzLCBhbmQgaGUgZGlkbid0IHByb3ZpZGUgbWUgd2l0aCBhIGNvbXBsZXRlIGx5cmljLCB3 aGljaCBjYW4gb25seSBtZWFuIHRoYXQgbm8gc3VjaCB0aGluZyBleGlzdHMtIHlldC4gQW55 b25lPw0KDQpBbmRlcnMgTW9lDQppbiBPc2xvDQoNCi0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLQ0KU3VwcG9ydCBUZWFtIC8g UG9ybkluZHVzdHJ5LmNvbSAvIHdlYm1hc3RlckBwb3JuaW5kdXN0cnkuY29tDQo= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peder Schubertsson" Subject: (kw) Speak & Spell..... Date: 24 Apr 2000 13:52:19 +0200 It's been a lot of questions regarding the old speak and spell lately. If you like to try it out yourself, there is a Speak & Spell simulator for PC avalible at http://sass.retrogames.com/ As far as I know, it's identical to the original S&S. Enjoy! Regards, Peder "Who is general failure and why is he reading drive C:\?" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Finarvas Subject: Re: (kw) delayed mails ! :-/ Date: 24 Apr 2000 13:02:46 +0200 I was just thinking.. maybe there is a difference between kraftwerk@xmission.com and kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com ? /Finarvas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?x-user-defined?Q?Familien_Bj=F8rn_Jensen?= Subject: (kw) Danish pub i Copenhagen Date: 24 Apr 2000 20:13:58 +0200 See www.autobahn.dk RBJ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher K Jackman Subject: Re: (kw) Speak & Spell sounds up Date: 24 Apr 2000 19:17:53 +0100 In article , Soleil Lapierre writes > > >At the request of a list member, I have put up a short MP3 file of some >Speak & Spell sounds. > >I don't have the time right now to do a full set of sounds. It has a much >larger vocabulary than what you'll hear. > Hi, There's actually a functioning 'Speak an Spell' emulator for the PC to download on the Net. I'm can't recall exactly where but if you hunt around the games console emulation pages or newsgroups I think you may be able to find it. Chris. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) NEWS Date: 24 Apr 2000 20:58:39 +0200 http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/Kraftwerk/radioactivity.html > To further hide the meaning, they have five voices simultaneously, in non-standard German dialects, all distorted and all buried in radio noises. Good luck figuring out what they're saying. Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Danish pub i Copenhagen Date: 24 Apr 2000 21:15:51 +0200 I looked through the site and found no direct connection to KW - is there any at the pub, or is it only connected to the actual Autobahn? /Joakim -----Original Message----- See www.autobahn.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Coen Rampen" Subject: RE: (kw) Speak & Spell..... Date: 24 Apr 2000 22:22:31 +0200 Hey all, > It's been a lot of questions regarding the old speak and spell lately. If > you like to try it out yourself, there is a Speak & Spell simulator for PC > avalible at http://sass.retrogames.com/ > As far as I know, it's identical to the original S&S. Enjoy! Great thing really; very retro. Now I'm just wondering... Where exactly did Kraftwerk use samples from this thing? Those at the beginning of Homecomputer are easy to spot of course, but did they use any more? And if so, how did they produce them? Greetz, Coen Rampen c.rampen@student.utwente.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: RE: (kw) Speak & Spell..... Date: 24 Apr 2000 15:25:00 -0700 >Now I'm just wondering... Where exactly did Kraftwerk use samples from this >thing? Those at the beginning of Homecomputer are easy to spot of course, >but did they use any more? And if so, how did they produce them? I've often read that Kraftwerk used pocket translators to produce the electronic words and numbers, and NOT a "Speak & Spell" toy. It may just be a fanciful rumor. ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: (kw) (no subject) Date: 24 Apr 2000 18:42:40 EDT test one # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: (kw) (no subject) Date: 24 Apr 2000 18:45:30 EDT I've often read that Kraftwerk used pocket translators to produce the electronic words and numbers, and NOT a "Speak & Spell" toy. It may just be a fanciful rumor. ---Jason That's a great question! Does anyone know for sure what KW used for the voices on numbers, other than the vocoders? Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: (kw) (no subject) Date: 24 Apr 2000 18:48:29 EDT Does anyne know what type of vocal device KW used on "Radioactivity( The Mix)" when it says "Stop Radioactivity" Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) delayed mails ! :-/ Date: 24 Apr 2000 15:46:47 -0700 >I was just thinking.. maybe there is a difference between >kraftwerk@xmission.com >and kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com ? I've wondered that too. Okay, here's a message sent to kraftwerk@xmission.com... ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) delayed mails ! :-/ Date: 24 Apr 2000 15:47:25 -0700 >I was just thinking.. maybe there is a difference between >kraftwerk@xmission.com >and kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com ? And here's one sent five seconds later to kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) delayed mails ! :-/ Date: 24 Apr 2000 15:55:30 -0700 >>I was just thinking.. maybe there is a difference between >>kraftwerk@xmission.com >>and kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com ? Okay... My two emails arrived at exactly the same time, about seven minutes after I sent them. Thus ends my little experiment. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Markus Formann" Subject: Re: (kw) delayed mails ! :-/ Date: 25 Apr 2000 01:08:00 +0200 no difference, jason. they arrived at same time markus And here's one sent five seconds later to kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord" Subject: (kw) Speak & Spell Date: 25 Apr 2000 01:39:15 +0200 Hey, OK, very cool simulator, that. How do I make it speak complete words, = not only single letters? Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Stuff www.folkvord.net/jarrestuff=20 Emusic http://w3.to/_emusic # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) Speak & Spell Date: 24 Apr 2000 23:25:46 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Glenn Folkvord wrote: > OK, very cool simulator, that. How do I make it speak complete words, > not only single letters? I haven't tried it yet, but if it's a proper emulator you probably can't. The Speak & Spell couldn't say arbitrary words - ie it wasn't rule-based. It could only say words that it had been pre-programmed words, and you could get expansion cartridges with more words. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tjodolf Ulriksen" Subject: RE: Re: (kw) NEWS Date: 25 Apr 2000 00:40:43 -0700 HI! There is a written lyric to "Nachrichten" somewhere on the net, but it's very far from complete. This is transcribed by Rick Jansen, and contains the beginning of the West German and North German broadcasts, as well as one sentence from the Bremen guy. The Bavarian broadcast is skipped over, I can't hear any complete sentences either, but the words "technology in the postwar period" and "space travel" are in there. Give three keen-eared native speakers a clean copy of the vinyl album and the best mastered CD and access to some filtering technology, I say. Anders Moe Support Team / PornIndustry.com / webmaster@pornindustry.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: (kw) Introduction to myself Date: 25 Apr 2000 10:11:14 +0200 (CEST) Hi, I would like to introduce myself to the list: My name is Kaspar D. Larsen, I am 17 years old, and I live in Roskilde, Denmark. The first time I ever heard of Kraftwerk, was when the local _small_ festival, you may know it as Roskilde Festival, announced them. I read that they are considered the founding fathers of modern music, so I thought I'd go see them. I stood some 3 meters from the barrier, which is 2-3 meters in front of the stage. I knew only Autobahn, so when that logo appeared, the crowd went nuts. Later I bought The Mix, and now (today, actually) I'm going out to buy Tour de France, Computerworld & Radioactivity. I am also active in the Kraftwer newsgroup on Usenet, going under the name of Dr.Who. ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Få en gratis @yahoo.dk-adresse på http://mail.yahoo.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: (kw) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:01:36 +0100 Date: 25 Apr 2000 05:03:42 -0600 I've been listening to this -- reminds me of 1973 period Kraftwerk, a gentler Elektrisches Roulette: http://www.semiconscious.com/nannou.zip Something to do with Aphex Twins apparently.... ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Shell! vs. Neu! Date: 25 Apr 2000 14:16:33 +0200 Quoted from SIDE-LINE NEWSLETTER 19/04/00 N =B037: "Shell is swell" is the debut CD of the female New York duo Shell! consisting of Marianne Nowottny and Donna Bailey. The pair of them have been performing together for almost four years. In October 1998 Abaton Bo= ok Company released a limited edition cassette entitled "Shell! meets the Invisible Man + Shell! vs. Neu!" Their debut CD release will be available on May 10th 2000. We haven't heard any of the material yet, but if you ha= ve a look at the girls' enthusiasm, it can only be rather interesting. Check out their pages. An interesting detail, Marianne has been reviewed in the The New York Times and already performed at the Knitting Factory... End of quote. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) NEWS Date: 25 Apr 2000 16:21:23 +0200 Hier ist der Westdeutsche Rundfunk mit Nachrichten. Fuenfzig Atomkraftwerke sollen in der Bundesrepublik waehrend der nachsten zehn Jahre errichtet werden. Jedes einzelne kann eine Millionenstadt mit Strom versorgen. 1985 sollen rund ...(???) Der Norddeutsche Rundfunk sendet Nachrichten. Weltweit sind nun schon 355 Atomreaktoren in Betrieb oder im Bau. Nach dem Planziel der Atombefuerworter sollen es um die Jahrtausendwende bereits mehr als 2000 sein. Hier ist der Bayerische Rundfunk mit den Nachrichten. Keine anderen Technologien der Nachkriegszeit, auch nicht die Raumfahrt, nicht ... (???) ... Keine anderen technischen ... (???) Hier ist Radio Bremen, wir bringen die Nachrichten. (???), der als Brennstoff fuer die Reaktoren gebraucht wird, sind zumindestens so begrenzt wie die Oelreserven. Die derzeit bekannten Uranvorkommen reichen gerade aus, die schon im Betrieb oder im Bau befindlichen Reaktoren fuer eine Betriebszeit von 40 Jahren zu versorgen. Hier ist die Deutsche Welle ... (???) (There's one station left which I cannot identify) Jan ^^^v^^^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: (kw) >> THE ( maybe ! ;-) BIGGEST KRAFTWERK SPECIAL !!! ( transmitted live on the www ( in one go ! ;-) ever !!! ;-) << Date: 25 Apr 2000 19:41:27 +0200 hi kwf's ! i've got some good news for you !!! ;-) i'm currently WERKin' on >> THE ( maybe ! ;-) BIGGEST KRAFTWERK SPECIAL !!! ( transmitted live on the www ( in one go ! ;-) ever !!! ;-) << it is scheduled to go ahead in summer ( this year ! ;-) - maybe in july or august ! ;-) WE NEED THE SUPPORT ( !!! ) of kwf's around the webwideworld to get a unique & outstanding list of trax ( or songs ;-) together !!! i've got all the regular kw albums & a lot of their singles ( 7"s & 12"s ) but i really need some of the not so well known material & - of course ! ;-) - also some good bootleg material !!! ( mp3s or whatever ! ;-) btw : are there any 10"es made of kw trax ( or songs ;-) ??? i didn't heard of somethin' like that ! if you like to contribute somethin' to this kw special - via the www - just drop me a line & i'll soon reply to you !!! ;-) well ... i think you are curious about where exactly & how long this kw special will take place , aren't u ??? ;-))) here are the "location" & the dates & times - so far : the internet address will be www.jointventureradio.de ( btw : under this address you still can find our - the jvr network ! ;-) -regular radio shows ! they are currently transmitted every fri. to sat. night startin' @ midnight cet ( central european time ) until 05:00 a.m. or even longer ! ;-) / the running-time of the kw special will approximately be 12 hours ( or even longer ! ;-) also startin' on fri. to sat. @ midnight cet until the next noon !!! ;-) just send me a mail if you want some more info about this kw special !!! ;-) any help to get this kw special together would be greatly appreciated !!! ;-) thanx a lot in advance & many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord" Subject: SV: (kw) Speak & Spell Date: 25 Apr 2000 16:10:50 +0200 >> OK, very cool simulator, that. How do I make it speak complete words, >> not only single letters? > >I haven't tried it yet, but if it's a proper emulator you probably = can't. >The Speak & Spell couldn't say arbitrary words - ie it wasn't = rule-based. OK. I thought the words Kraftwerk used were rule based, not = pre-programmed. Bummer :-) glenn # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Speak & Spell Date: 25 Apr 2000 12:42:27 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Glenn Folkvord wrote: > >I haven't tried it yet, but if it's a proper emulator you probably can't. > >The Speak & Spell couldn't say arbitrary words - ie it wasn't rule-based. > > OK. I thought the words Kraftwerk used were rule based, not pre-programmed. Bummer :-) I dunno about that. The only Speak & Spell sounds KW used were the sound effects at the beginning of Homecomputer. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) NEWS Date: 25 Apr 2000 23:01:51 +0200 Good work! I can extend this a little bit further again. Please feel free to correct German grammar errors. I don't think much more was intended than a track that sounds like a news broadcast with a radioactivity flavour. Nachrichten Hier ist der Westdeutsche Rundfunk mit Nachrichten. Fünfzig Atomkraftwerke sollen in der Bundesrepublik während den nächsten zehn Jahren errrichtet werden. Jedes Einzelne kann einen Millionenstadt mit Strom versorgen. 1985 sollen in der Bundesrepublik ... der Strom ... Der Norddeutsche Rundfunk sendet Nachrichten. Weltweit sind nun schon 355 Atomreaktoren in Betrieb oder im Bau. Nach dem Planziel der Atombefürworter sollen es um die Jahrtausendwende bereits mehr als 2000 sein. Hier ist der Bayerische Rundfunk mit den Nachrichten. Keine anderen Technologien der Nachkriegszeit, auch nicht die Raumfahrt, nicht ... (???) ... Keine anderen technischen ... (???) Hier ist Radio Bremen, wir bringen die Nachrichten. Die vorräte an leicht spaltbares(sp?) Uran, der als Brennstoff für die Reaktoren gebraucht wird, sind zumindestens so begrenzt wie die Ölreserven. Die derzeit bekannten Uranvorkommen reichen gerade aus, die schon im Betrieb oder im Bau befindlichen Reaktoren für eine Betriebszeit von 40 Jahren zu versorgen. Translation: Here is the West German Broadcasting Station with the news Fifty nuclear power stations will be built in the West German Republic In the next ten years Each one can supply a city of millions with power The North German Broadcasting Service with the news. In the whole world 355 nuclear powerstations are operational or being built. According to plans of the nuclear lobby there will be 2000 at the turn of the century. Here is the Bayerische Broadcasting Service with the news. No other postwar technology, not even space travel, ... Here is Radio Bremen, we bring you the news. The supplies of easily fissable uranium, used as fuel for reactors, is as limited as the supplies of oil. The now known supplies of uranium just suffice to operate the reactors already operational and under construction for a period of 40 years. Rick Jansen Jan Reetze wrote: > > Hier ist der Westdeutsche Rundfunk mit Nachrichten. Fuenfzig Atomkraftwerke > sollen in der Bundesrepublik waehrend der nachsten zehn Jahre errichtet > werden. Jedes einzelne kann eine Millionenstadt mit Strom versorgen. 1985 > sollen rund ...(???) > > Der Norddeutsche Rundfunk sendet Nachrichten. Weltweit sind nun schon 355 > Atomreaktoren in Betrieb oder im Bau. Nach dem Planziel der Atombefuerworter > sollen es um die Jahrtausendwende bereits mehr als 2000 sein. > > Hier ist der Bayerische Rundfunk mit den Nachrichten. Keine anderen > Technologien der Nachkriegszeit, auch nicht die Raumfahrt, nicht ... (???) > ... Keine anderen technischen ... (???) > > Hier ist Radio Bremen, wir bringen die Nachrichten. (???), der als > Brennstoff fuer die Reaktoren gebraucht wird, sind zumindestens so begrenzt > wie die Oelreserven. Die derzeit bekannten Uranvorkommen reichen gerade aus, > die schon im Betrieb oder im Bau befindlichen Reaktoren fuer eine > Betriebszeit von 40 Jahren zu versorgen. > > Hier ist die Deutsche Welle ... (???) > > (There's one station left which I cannot identify) -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord" Subject: SV: SV: (kw) Speak & Spell Date: 25 Apr 2000 22:31:51 +0200 >I dunno about that. The only Speak & Spell sounds KW used were the = sound >effects at the beginning of Homecomputer. --=20 >/* Soleil "Ra"=20 Yes, I noticed that....... :-) Glenn Stuff www.folkvord.net/jarrestuff=20 Emusic http://w3.to/_emusic # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: (kw) Kw voices? Date: 25 Apr 2000 19:22:25 EDT Does anybody know what vocal device KW used on Radioactive (The Mix) when they say "Stop Radioactivity"? I'm sorry to repeat this Question but I don't know if I'm sending these messages properly! Can anyone verify that they are getting my questions and comments! I would really appreciate it! Thankx, Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: (kw) Thanks!!!!! Date: 25 Apr 2000 19:45:18 EDT i've received your mails... apparently during the late 80's, kw invented the "robovox", a keyboard-device for playing phonetic sounds at given pitches. florian schneider applied for a patent for this in 1990, i think. it is likely that this device was used... (i'm not an expert though ;^) ) steve Thanks for the response! I wander if anyone has anything like this for sale? Thanks again, At least I know the messages are getting through! Should I introduce my self to the everyone? :-)) Christian in Louisville # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: (kw) (no subject) Date: 25 Apr 2000 21:57:01 EDT Hello, I'm Christian Claycomb from Louisville KY. I am a musician and I've been a KW fan for 22 years! I was about 9 when I heard The Man Machine and I was awed and have been ever since! I was inspired by several bands to become a musician but KW was and still is the main drive of my music. I have a vocoder and a Digitech talk box, 3 synths and a sampler ( which is has been at the Roland factory, being repaired,since December!), a few bass guitars and an electric guitar. I remember hearing something that one of you said about women likeing the older KW music. Please introduce me to them because I can hardly find anyone that likes KW here in Louisville KY. I know there are KW fans in Louisville because all the record stores have at least one or two KW CD's and they were here in concert about 2 years ago. I was really disappointed because I wasn't able to attend that concert! O.K. I'll leace it at that. Don't want to write a novel on my boring life. I look forward to hearing more from you all. :-))) Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trip Lizard" Subject: Re: (kw) Kw voices? Date: 25 Apr 2000 16:39:53 PDT I'm pretty sure this is just a vocoder. I don't know the model they would have used at that stage, but I do know that they have a pretty strong relationship with Doepfer and helped in the design of the Doepfer vocoder. Check out www.doepfer.com and look at the vocoder units of the A-100 modular synth. >From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com >To: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com >Subject: (kw) Kw voices? >Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:22:25 EDT > > >Does anybody know what vocal device KW used on Radioactive (The Mix) when >they say "Stop Radioactivity"? I'm sorry to repeat this Question but I >don't >know if I'm sending these messages properly! >Can anyone verify that they are getting my questions and comments! > >I would really appreciate it! >Thankx, >Christian ____________________________________________________________ Music................ http://artists.mp3s.com/lotechretards Studio.......... http://home.earthlink.net/~gghegel/studio/ Korg MS-10.. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/1208/ Band........ http://home.earthlink.net/~gghegel/wetdog.html ____________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) NEWS Date: 26 Apr 2000 14:19:09 +0200 > I don't think much more was intended than a track that > sounds like a news broadcast with a radioactivity flavour. I agree. J. Nachrichten Hier ist der Westdeutsche Rundfunk mit Nachrichten. Fuenfzig Atomkraftwerke sollen in der Bundesrepublik waehrend der naechsten zehn Jahre errichtet werden. Jedes einzelne kann eine Millionenstadt mit Strom versorgen. 1985 sollen in der Bundesrepublik ... der Strom ... Der Norddeutsche Rundfunk sendet Nachrichten. Weltweit sind nun schon 355 Atomreaktoren in Betrieb oder im Bau. Nach dem Planziel der Atombefuerworter sollen es um die Jahrtausendwende bereits mehr als 2000 sein. Hier ist der Bayerische Rundfunk mit den Nachrichten. Keine anderen Technologien der Nachkriegszeit, auch nicht die Raumfahrt, nicht ... (???) .... Keine anderen technischen ... (???) Hier ist Radio Bremen, wir bringen die Nachrichten. Die Vorraete an leicht spaltbarem Uran, das als Brennstoff fuer die Reaktoren gebraucht wird, sind zumindestens so begrenzt wie die Oelreserven. Die derzeit bekannten Uranvorkommen reichen gerade aus, die schon im Betrieb oder im Bau befindlichen Reaktoren f=FCr eine Betriebszeit von 40 Jahren zu versorgen. Translation:=20 Here is the West German Broadcasting Station with the news Fifty nuclear power stations will be built in the West German Republic In the next ten years Each one can supply a city of millions with power The North German Broadcasting Service with the news. In the whole world 355 nuclear powerstations are operational or being built= . According to plans of the nuclear lobby there will be 2000 at the turn of the century. Here is the Bavarian Broadcasting Service with the news. No other postwar technology, not even space travel, ... Here is Radio Bremen, we bring you the news. The supplies of easily fissable uranium, used as fuel for reactors, is as limited as the supplies of oil. The now known supplies of uranium just suffice to operate the reactors already operational and under construction for a period of 40 years. Rick Jansen > Jan Reetze wrote: >=20 > Hier ist der Westdeutsche Rundfunk mit Nachrichten. Fuenfzig Atomkraftwer= ke > sollen in der Bundesrepublik waehrend der nachsten zehn Jahre errichtet > werden. Jedes einzelne kann eine Millionenstadt mit Strom versorgen. 1985 > sollen rund ...(???) >=20 > Der Norddeutsche Rundfunk sendet Nachrichten. Weltweit sind nun schon 355 > Atomreaktoren in Betrieb oder im Bau. Nach dem Planziel der Atombefuerwor= ter > sollen es um die Jahrtausendwende bereits mehr als 2000 sein. >=20 > Hier ist der Bayerische Rundfunk mit den Nachrichten. Keine anderen > Technologien der Nachkriegszeit, auch nicht die Raumfahrt, nicht ... (???= ) > ... Keine anderen technischen ... (???) >=20 > Hier ist Radio Bremen, wir bringen die Nachrichten. (???), der als > Brennstoff fuer die Reaktoren gebraucht wird, sind zumindestens so begren= zt > wie die Oelreserven. Die derzeit bekannten Uranvorkommen reichen gerade a= us, > die schon im Betrieb oder im Bau befindlichen Reaktoren fuer eine > Betriebszeit von 40 Jahren zu versorgen. >=20 > Hier ist die Deutsche Welle ... (???) >=20 > (There's one station left which I cannot identify) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Speak & Spell..... Date: 26 Apr 2000 13:52:15 +0200 > >Now I'm just wondering... Where exactly did Kraftwerk use samples from this > >thing? Those at the beginning of Homecomputer are easy to spot of course, > >but did they use any more? And if so, how did they produce them? > > I've often read that Kraftwerk used pocket translators to produce the > electronic words and numbers, and NOT a "Speak & Spell" toy. It may just > be a fanciful rumor. Kraftwerk used genuine Speak-and-Spell's for their recording of "Pocket Calculator". Quoted from Pascal Bussy's Man Machine and Music book (page 112): "'Home Computer', probably more than any other track, prophesies the rise of techno and house music in the '80s and '90s with its spacey sounding segments and syncopated electronic rhythm, over which the same two-line couplet is spoken at various intervals. It is no surprise that this was to become one of their most sampled pieces. In fact, the track itself indicates that Kraftwerk may have been doing some early sampling for themselves. The first five seconds [of 'Home Computer'] burst of electronic bleeps bears a remarkable similarity with the musical motif of a Texas Instruments game entitled 'Speak & Spell' which appeared on the market in 1980. This reference was not out of keeping with the Kraftwerk image." End of quote. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) New Kraftwerk album Date: 25 Apr 2000 18:31:10 +0200 Quoted from Sideline magazine: New Kraftwerk album According to Fiber Online http://www.uol.com.br/fiberonline/ the new Kraftwerk album is to be released on July 2nd 2000. It will be the first new album of the band since they released "Electric Cafe" 14 years ago. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: Speaking machine (was RE: (kw) (no subject)) Date: 26 Apr 2000 14:22:14 +0200 CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com wrote: > Does anyne know what type of vocal device KW used on "Radioactivity( The > Mix)" when it says "Stop Radioactivity" Quoted from the Unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine Aktivitaet no. 2: "Florian has a speaking typewriter. When you listen to tracks such as Radioactivity 1991 the words Harrisburg, Sellafield, etc. are all produced by this typewriter." The following is quoted from Pascal Bussy's Man Machine and Music book. William Orbit on Florian Schneider: "Live me, he is very interested in phonetics, the sound of language. He has a device which fascinates me although I don't know much about it. It is a device which creates a voice something much more intelligent than the upcoder. He can type something into the box and phrases come out. In fact, I think all the voices from the last album come from that." end of quotes. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Stop Tchernobil Date: 26 Apr 2000 15:28:00 +0200 Today is the 14th anniversary of the Tchernobil's disaster. And on M80 Radio the dj has played Radioactivity (original version) by Kraftwerk. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: Speaking machine (was RE: (kw) (no subject)) Date: 26 Apr 2000 16:53:44 +0200 Der Automat wrote: > > CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com wrote: > > > Does anyne know what type of vocal device KW used on "Radioactivity( The > > Mix)" when it says "Stop Radioactivity" > > Quoted from the Unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine Aktivitaet no. 2: > "Florian has a speaking typewriter. When you listen to tracks such as > Radioactivity 1991 the words Harrisburg, Sellafield, etc. are all produced > by this typewriter." > > The following is quoted from Pascal Bussy's Man Machine and Music book. > William Orbit on Florian Schneider: > "Live me, he is very interested in phonetics, the sound of language. He has > a device which fascinates me although I don't know much about it. It is a > device which creates a voice something much more intelligent than the > upcoder. He can type something into the box and phrases come out. In fact, I > think all the voices from the last album come from that." I think Florian has a very distinctive voice, and it's his vocoded or whatevered voice that is sampled and played back to produce many of the Kraftwerk electronic voices, inluding the "EXPO2000" sound and the "Stop Radioactivity" text, MTV's Music Non Stop etc. I wouldn't know where the robovox machine was used really. Maybe the texts "das einundzwanzigsten Jahrhundert" and "the twenty-first century" in EXPO2000 were made with a computer speech synthesizer, they don't sound like a vocoded Florian to me. The Doepfer vocoder is far too recent to have been used on The Mix. Rick Jansen __ rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andréas Hagström" Subject: Re: (kw) >> THE ( maybe ! ;-) BIGGEST KRAFTWERK SPECIAL !!! ( transmitted live Date: 26 Apr 2000 02:48:25 PDT >btw : are there any 10"es made of kw trax ( or songs ;-) ??? i didn't=20 > >heard of somethin' like that ! 10" singles UK: Abbey Road Studios Tour De France ? (3.57) Radioactivity (Kevorkian 7" Remix) (4.08) Computer World (5.05) US: Capitol X93707A 1977 Trans Europe Express (Edit) (3.52)/Franz Schubert (4.25) /Andr=E9as ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) (no subject) Date: 26 Apr 2000 14:27:39 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 3:57 AM > Hello, I'm Christian Claycomb from Louisville KY. > I am a musician and I've been a KW fan for 22 years! I was about 9 when I > heard The Man Machine and I was awed and have been ever since! I was > inspired > by several bands to become a musician but KW was and still is the main drive > of my music. > I have a vocoder and a Digitech talk box, 3 synths and a sampler ( which is > has been at the Roland factory, being repaired,since December!), a few bass > guitars and an electric guitar. > > I remember hearing something that one of you said about women likeing the > older KW music. Please introduce me to them because I can hardly find anyone > that likes KW here in Louisville KY. I know there are KW fans in Louisville > because all the record stores have at least one or two KW CD's and they were > here in concert about 2 years ago. I was really disappointed because I > wasn't > able to attend that concert! > O.K. I'll leace it at that. Don't want to write a novel on my boring life. > I look forward to hearing more from you all. :-))) > > Christian hi chris ! you've written that " they were here in concert about 2 years ago . I was really disappointed because I wasn't able to attend that concert ! " WHAT CONCERT DO YOU ACTUALLY MEAN ??? *curious* i know that kw were on a brief u.s. tour in '98 ! but i've never heard anythin' about a concert in louisville / kentucky in '98 !!! *stillcurious* however ... an answer would be greatly appreciated !!! ;-) many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) Kw voices? Date: 26 Apr 2000 17:12:41 +0200 I cannot agree! In my opinion all the robot-like voices on THE MIX (Computer Love, Radioactivity, Home Computer, The Robots, Dentaku) are created pure synthetically with a computer, recognizable by that typical pronunciation. "Autobahn"-Intro and "Trans Europe Express" contain a vocodered human voices. Gunnar Trip Lizard wrote: > > I'm pretty sure this is just a vocoder. I don't know the model they would > have used at that stage, but I do know that they have a pretty strong > relationship with Doepfer and helped in the design of the Doepfer vocoder. > Check out www.doepfer.com and look at the vocoder units of the A-100 modular > synth. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: RE: (kw) Speak & Spell..... Date: 26 Apr 2000 12:44:57 -0600 (MDT) On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Der Automat wrote: > Kraftwerk used genuine Speak-and-Spell's for their recording of "Pocket > Calculator". Bunk. I'm going to assume that you meant to type "Home Computer" there. The Bussy text you quoted doesn't mention Pocket Calculator, and there are no S&S sounds in any version of Pocket Calculator that I've ever heard. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "xelius" Subject: (kw) Kohoutek Date: 27 Apr 2000 00:24:17 +0200 Ave Werkers! Has someone discussed on this list the true story of KwK's song Kohoutek? xelius # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: (kw) Thanks! Date: 26 Apr 2000 18:30:51 EDT Wow! I wasn't expecting that kind of responce to my questions. Thank you all for the responses, I really appreciate it! Trying to get that eletronic voice from KW has been a goal of mine and I'm not sure I can reach it but thanks to your answers I'm a little closer! Thanks again! Also it seems I might have made a mistake on when KW was here or around Louisville. I guess I need to find out those details! I really wasn't thinking about exact details, sorry! Thankx, Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Kohoutek Date: 26 Apr 2000 15:29:45 -0700 >Has someone discussed on this list the true story of KwK's song Kohoutek? "True story"? Tell us... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob VonMoss Subject: (kw) WGN AM Chicago - Web Site Wednesdays - Home Computer Date: 26 Apr 2000 22:41:54 -0500 http://wgnradio.com/listen/index.htm In a few minutes at roughly 11:15 PM CDT there is a show called "Web Site Wednesday" in Chicago that always uses "Home Computer" as the lead-in theme every late Wednesday night. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sam Brown" Subject: Re: (kw) New Kraftwerk album Date: 26 Apr 2000 15:33:22 GMT of course and the world is a disk. >From: "Der Automat" >To: "Kraftwerk Mail List" >Subject: (kw) New Kraftwerk album >Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:31:10 +0200 > > >Quoted from Sideline magazine: > >New Kraftwerk album >According to Fiber Online http://www.uol.com.br/fiberonline/ the new >Kraftwerk album is to be released on July 2nd 2000. It will be the first >new >album of the band since they released "Electric Cafe" 14 years ago. > >DER AUTOMAT ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "xelius" Subject: (kw) KwK voices ( long discussion ) Date: 27 Apr 2000 00:00:00 +0200 The e-voices on R&F ,Autobahn , Radioactivity ,TEE and The Man Machine are analog vocoded voices=2E The devices they used may be a Sennheiser 22 channel vocoder, a superb lab device build in the '70ies whit a very clean articulation and filter balancing=2E You can find a beautiful performance of this machine also into ROCKETS song "On the Road Again"=2E( from On The Road Again LP Derby dbr20014 ) Other voices e=2Eg=2E on News are probabily manipulated with a 'Moog 914 Fixed Filters Bank' or simply passed through a minimoog VCF=2E On TEE the opening vocoder is made speaking into the vocoder and driving it with a complex carrier sound generated by a rich ring modulation=2E Europe endless and Metal on metal voices are classical keyboard pad chords driving the vocoder=2E In 'The Robots' the quality of the analog vocoded voices seems very poor =2E A very similar effects you can obtain turning off several bands of the vocoder filter bank=2E The articulation became poor and "boxy"=2E The carrier sound for these 'classic' 80ies robot voices is generally a low octave sawthoot or square wave =2E The russian voice on' the robots' shows a very interesting carrier pitch shifting following the natural uman voice tuning of speech=2E A good studio setting to made these kinds of uman-tuned sentences is to record the natural expressive voice on a track,then split the track outp=2Einto the vocoder input and into a ' frequency to voltage converter ' ( korg MS 20 has a very simple one) and drive with its output the pitch of the carrier oscillator you use for the vocoder=2E The results are very good but the right settings are hard to find=2E The cleanest the voice you record the best the frequency to voltage converter works=2E On Computerwelt album they become to use speech synthesis together with vocoder=2E Its very hard to say what kind of speech synth=2E they used=2E I know of a chip of texas instrument ( produced in the 80 ) dedicated to the phoneme synthesis=2E(at now there's a lot of items dedicated to speech synthesis and a lot of dedicated PC cards) I remind at the beginning of 80ies an italian engineer showing at television an application of this chip consisting into an electric typewriter interfaced with an hardware build around this chip =2EHe wrote th= e words and directly the device slowly spell them=2E The timbre was very similar to KwK voices I heard in computerwelt the next year=2E In 'nummern' the opening ein zwei=2E=2E=2Eis a speech synthesizer probabily processed through the vocoder with filtered noise carrier=2E I do some experiments also with Hyperprism freq=2E shifter (plug in) on WA= V files recorded using the TALKIT speech synthesizer=2E Results are encouraging but not so 'German' as the 'numbers' voice=2E The japanese numbers seems natural voices sung into a digital pitch transposer =2E I found something similar on the Yamaha SPX90 I multieffect , but a similar interesting result is obtained modulating with a square LF wave the clock of a digital delay=2E Some old digital delays offer the Control voltage mod input =2E The amplitude and the pulse width of the square wave determines the shift interval=2E Use short feedback and short delay time=2E On Electric Caf=E8 Lp I dislike all the e-voices they used=2E I think there was nothing new in their e-vocal palette from Computerwelt =2E Something new appears in The Mix=2E They probabily add to the speech synthesis the MIDI control of tune and formants=2E Moving tune , formants and phoneme timing in real time or via sequenced midi events the 'expression' of the speech becomes dramatically 'uman' and refined=2E I visit the site with the schematics of Florian patented robovox generator and I find it original ,interesting and really complicated=2E This device is conceived around a speech synthesis chip, not a DSP !!=2E The big work is to interface its parameters via MIDI =2E I think only a well experienced engineer (controllers expert) can develop this kind of projects=2E Expo 2000 voices seems made with ultimate speech synthesis software and dsp digital hardware=2E For these ' nouances' it occours an high bit resolution synthesis system= =2E The 'EXPO 2000 ' words seems made with a digital vocoder emulation=2E Howewer I tested several analog commercial vocoders :Electroarmonix ( cheap and confused speech ) KORG vocoder VC10 ( confused ,unarticulated , noisy and too smooth ), Roland VP330 ( great for choirs , medium quality speech , poor transient response ), EMS 3000 ( great articulation , big bottom sound , clear speech , too expensive )=2E I tested also digital vocoders made with Virus and Nordlead micromodular but they sound very different from a classic analog vocoder=2E ( some Virus presets sound a little 'EXPO2000') At now I work with my 30 channel custom build analog vocoder , with a filter cell project taken from the ELEKTOR vocoder but with more accurate rectifiers and VCA bank=2E If anyone interested e-mail me privately , I try to send some wav or MP demo files=2E yawwwnn!!! -Evolution-not- rEvolution- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) El baile de la escoba Date: 27 Apr 2000 11:23:06 +0000 the new ROBOT voice ;-) wrote: > well ... kevin ... but remember : WHERE WOULD WE ( & THE WHOLE GENRE OF > MODERN "ELECTRONIC" (DANCE)MUSIC ;-) BE NOW WITHOUT THE WHOLE DJ THING ??? Ow, hang on, let me adjust the volume level... That's better. :-) > NOWHERE ( or just in the ages of AOR - Adult Orientated Rockmusic !!! > :-/// ) i suppose !!! OK. I think the situation may be different in the US. I'm writing from a UK perspective, admittedly! > hm ??? i think that's TOTALLY WRONG !!! :-/ > the audience will NEVER be ahead of anything a deejay or producer or > musicain is doin' !!! "Or musician"...? > just imagine : WHERE WOULD THE AUDIENCE BE WITHOUT THE MUSIC A DEEJAY OR > PRODUCER OR MUSICIAN IS PLAYIN' TO THEM ??? Again, "or musician". It's the role of the composer/musician to invent the music, and the duty of the DJ or radio presenter to bring the music to the audience, to educate them, even, if possible. But relatively few DJs or presenters actually stretch themselves to do this. I understand from my own experience that the general listener's resistance to unusual music can be hard to overcome (so I sympathise with your crusades), but when I read revisionist histories of 70s and 80s music which put the success of electronic pop almost entirely down to DJs, I can only recall the obstruction which many DJs (and radio presenters) gave at the time. As I say though, this is my own UK-based view. Maybe in the US the DJ did save modern music! Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Francesco Gardinali Subject: (kw) New KW ? Date: 26 Apr 2000 13:22:54 +0200 Yesterday evening (26/4/2000) at 22:00 on MTV there was a program called "Stylissimo" about fashion and so on. I've heard a music that was from Kraftwerk (I'm sure of that): same instruments of Technopop and the robotic voice: something new? Only a thing: it was GREAT GREAT GREAT. Bye, Frank # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kwf) (was RE: (kw) kwf newsgroup & chat / "special" kwf guestbook ! ;-)) Date: 27 Apr 2000 15:02:05 +0200 the new ROBOT voice ;-) wrote: > hi kwf's ! > join the kwf newsgroup now ! ( www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans ;-) > use my "special" kwf guestbook ! > www.1-2-3-gaestebuch.de/buch.gb?benutzer=docjones ;-) > if you join the kwf newsgroup & become a member of it you'll also be able >to get into our kwf chat(room) !!! That's remind me: There's a page dedicated to Kurt Weill in this URL: http://www.kwf.org BTW, at the beginning of this month it was the fiftieth anniversary of the Kurt Weill's death and less than two months ago it was the centenary of his birth. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Familie de Haan Subject: Re: (kw) KwK voices ( long discussion ) but short reply Date: 27 Apr 2000 17:49:13 +0200 I was just wondering, we hadn't had a vocoder-discussion 3 months. So, jst two weeks and we can have a why KW don't play E2K discussion... God, I hope the album will be out soon (and listenable) ;-) -- I read the FM, and it didn't work. > From: "xelius" > Reply-To: "xelius" > Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:00:00 +0200 > To: "kw" > Subject: (kw) KwK voices ( long discussion ) > > > The e-voices on R&F ,Autobahn , Radioactivity ,TEE and The Man Machine are > analog vocoded voices. > The devices they used may be a Sennheiser 22 channel vocoder, a superb lab > device build in the '70ies whit a very clean articulation and filter > balancing... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "xelius" Subject: (kw) Kohoutek .......... Date: 27 Apr 2000 21:13:40 +0200 I ask you if the story of kohoutek song was discussed on this list and I add ' true' because I can do a lot of suppositions around this (horrible) track ,but the mystery of its existence (only on Fontana record?) take me up every time I play this record. A transfert mistake? A damaged master tape? A joke ? Is it a demo of kometenmelodie ? Is it an unerased end of a recycled master tape ? A psychophonic episode ? If anyone think to know the truth......... xelius # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Kohoutek .......... Date: 27 Apr 2000 23:35:39 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 9:13 PM > I ask you if the story of kohoutek song was discussed on this list and I > add ' true' because I can do a lot of suppositions around this (horrible) > track ,but the mystery of its existence (only on Fontana record?) take me up > every time I play this record. well ... let's reveal " the truth " !!! ;-))) > A transfert mistake? NOPE !!! ;-) > A damaged master tape? MAYBE !!! ;-))) > A joke ? *LOL* ;-))) > Is it a demo of kometenmelodie ? YES !!! ;-) > Is it an unerased end of a recycled master tape ? ??? ;-) > A psychophonic episode ? KW ON DRUGS ??? ;-))) > If anyone think to know the truth......... well ... i know it but ... i don't tell it to anybody !!! *ROTFL* ;-))) > xelius however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) El baile de la escoba Date: 27 Apr 2000 17:13:54 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 1:23 PM > the new ROBOT voice ;-) wrote: > > > well ... kevin ... but remember : WHERE WOULD WE ( & THE WHOLE GENRE OF > > MODERN "ELECTRONIC" (DANCE)MUSIC ;-) BE NOW WITHOUT THE WHOLE DJ THING ??? > > Ow, hang on, let me adjust the volume level... That's better. :-) *LOL* ;-))) > > NOWHERE ( or just in the ages of AOR - Adult Orientated Rockmusic !!! > > :-/// ) i suppose !!! > > OK. I think the situation may be different in the US. I'm writing from a UK > perspective, admittedly! *hehehe* ;-))) well ... i really don't know HOW the situation is in the US !!! i'm writin' from a GERMAN perspective , admittedly !!! ;-))) > > hm ??? i think that's TOTALLY WRONG !!! :-/ > > the audience will NEVER be ahead of anything a deejay or producer or > > musicain is doin' !!! > > "Or musician"...? well ... i mean MUSICIAN !!! ;-) not musi-cain !!! ;-) it's just a typo ! ;-))) > > just imagine : WHERE WOULD THE AUDIENCE BE WITHOUT THE MUSIC A DEEJAY OR > > PRODUCER OR MUSICIAN IS PLAYIN' TO THEM ??? > > Again, "or musician". It's the role of the composer/musician to invent the > music, and the duty of the DJ or radio presenter to bring the music to the > audience, to educate them, even, if possible. But relatively few DJs or > presenters actually stretch themselves to do this. I understand from my own > experience that the general listener's resistance to unusual music can be > hard to overcome (so I sympathise with your crusades), but when I read > revisionist histories of 70s and 80s music which put the success of > electronic pop almost entirely down to DJs, I can only recall the > obstruction which many DJs (and radio presenters) gave at the time. As I say > though, this is my own UK-based view. Maybe in the US the DJ did save modern > music! again , I DON'T REALLY KNOW ABOUT THE SITUATION IN THE US , KEVIN !!! ;-))) this is MY OWN GERMAN-BASED VIEW OF THINGS !!! ;-) but YES !!! I REALLY TRY TO DO MY BEST TO SAVE " MODERN MUSIC " !!! *ROTFL* ;-))) > Kevin however ... many greetinx from your german mate - micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kwf) (was RE: (kw) kwf newsgroup & chat / "special" kwf guestbook ! ;-)) Date: 27 Apr 2000 17:00:44 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 3:02 PM ! ;-)) > the new ROBOT voice ;-) wrote: > > > hi kwf's ! > > join the kwf newsgroup now ! ( www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans ;-) > > use my "special" kwf guestbook ! > > www.1-2-3-gaestebuch.de/buch.gb?benutzer=docjones ;-) PLEASE DON'T USE MY "SPECIAL" KWF GUESTBOOK ADDRESS ANYMORE !!! IT'S NO LONGER IN SERVICE !!! THANX A LOT FOR CONSIDERATION !!! > > if you join the kwf newsgroup & become a member of it you'll also be able > >to get into our kwf chat(room) !!! > > That's remind me: > There's a page dedicated to Kurt Weill in this URL: http://www.kwf.org well ... that's nice ! but i've nothin' to do with it , herr automat ! ;-) > BTW, at the beginning of this month it was the fiftieth anniversary of the > Kurt > Weill's death and less than two months ago it was the centenary of his > birth. some interestin' facts indeed ! but what has this to do with my kwf kraftwerkfans ) newsgroup ??? i'm really curious about that !!! is it just the name of the site that reminds you of kurt weill ??? > DER AUTOMAT however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) El baile de la escoba Date: 28 Apr 2000 10:34:48 +0000 the new ROBOT voice ;-) wrote: > *hehehe* ;-))) well ... i really don't know HOW the situation is in the US > !!! i'm writin' from a GERMAN perspective , admittedly !!! ;-))) Ah, that was lazy of me: I didn't notice the ".de", and your fast DJ patter led me to the wrong assumption! Apologies. (Mind you, radio stations based at US air force bases must have had some influence on German radio? And how does "Neue Deutschewelle" music fit into all this? Enlightenment welcome!) >> "Or musician"...? > > well ... i mean MUSICIAN !!! ;-) not musi-cain !!! ;-) it's just a typo ! > ;-))) I wasn't attacking your typo, but highlighting the introduction of musicians into this part of the discussion. > however ... many greetinx from your german mate - micROBOT " the new ROBOT > voice " ! ;-) Likewise, and thanks for putting up with my leg-pulling. ;-) K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Fluer in Hamburg Court today? Date: 28 Apr 2000 11:26:57 +0200 Hi all Question to Klaus Zaepke...any news from the court case? You once posted that Wolfgang Flur will be in court in Hamburg today re the KW book? Have you been there???? Thanks for any info! Regards Roland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: (kw) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:22:03 +0100 Date: 28 Apr 2000 06:31:23 -0600 What does 'Kohoutek' translate into English as? Or is it an acronym? Or an anagram? ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wahlbom Subject: (kw) Re: Kohoutek Date: 28 Apr 2000 14:51:00 +0200 (MET DST) On Fri, 28 Apr 2000, Richard Marston wrote: >=20 > What does 'Kohoutek' translate into English as? Or is it an acronym? Or a= n > anagram? Kohoutek was a comet which was visible to the naked eye in 1973, I think.= =20 As usual with comets, it was named after the discoverer; I think his full name was (is?) Lajos Kohoutek, of Hungarian descent, I believe. Don't have any reference literature handy right now and I can't be bothered to do a web search. Hope this helps, - Anders Wahlbom | http://www.update.uu.se/~awahlbom/ (Finger for geek code) | http://www.cutoff.se/dss - NOW PLAYING: Einst=FCrzende Neubauten: _Silence Is Sexy_ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:22:03 +0100 Date: 28 Apr 2000 15:43:41 +0200 It's a name. /Joakim -----Original Message----- ..is it an acronym? Or an anagram? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Kohoutek .......... Date: 28 Apr 2000 19:30:17 +0200 From which Kohoutek version are you talking about. There are two versions of this track. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) OFF TOPIC (Peter Gabriel) Date: 28 Apr 2000 10:45:48 -0700 Peter Gabriel's "OVO: The Millenium Show" CD is now available exclusively from http://realworld.co.uk/trading/index2.html and from The Millenium Dome shop. A separate International retail release will also be available soon. Enrique NP: "Stereo Odyssey part 1" William Orbit # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vincent Smits" Subject: (kw) kohoutek Date: 28 Apr 2000 11:38:24 PDT BTW It think that Kohoutek 1&2 are better than Komentenmelodie 1&2. Does anyone agree? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ConnectFree" Subject: RE: (kw) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:22:03 +0100 Date: 28 Apr 2000 21:31:31 +0100 -----Original Message----- Kohoutek..is it an acronym? Or an anagram? What is Kohoutek? In 1973, a Czechoslovakian astronomer discovered a comet while it was still far from the Sun, and it was named Kohoutek after him. Some astronomers expected it to be very bright when it got close to Earth. The average citizen heard a lot of talk about "the comet of the century" and expected a spectacular light show when it got close to Earth. Unfortunately, comets can brighten and dim unpredictably, and Comet Kohoutek chose to stay dim. Scientists, however, weren't disappointed. This was the most thoroughly observed comet in history prior to the 1986 return of Halley's Comet. Skylab astronauts watched it from space, and to them, it was spectacular. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcello Di Sante" Subject: I: (kw) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000(Kohoutek) Date: 28 Apr 2000 14:46:55 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 2:45 PM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Marston > To: > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 2:32 PM > Subject: (kw) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:22:03 +0100 > > > > > > > > > > What does 'Kohoutek' translate into English as? Or is it an acronym? Or an > > anagram? > > "Kohoutek" is the name of a comet the passed almost near the Earth in > 1973(74?); i suppose there was something that made this event more > interesting than other similar astronomic events (and since i studied this > kind of things at the University, i should know but in this case i have to > admit my ignorance !!!!) > > The bound between this track (i don't find it as horrible as many people > say) and <> is evident ... > > Best Regards > PBOY from Italy > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greyseason@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) kohoutek Date: 29 Apr 2000 01:36:56 EDT I don't think that anything in the world is better than Kommetenmelodie 2. I like the Kohoutek tracks. I know that some people dislike them. I don't. I think they're cool. But like I said, nothing is better than Kommetenmelodie 2. Sam sonicsunset@hotmail.com writes: << BTW It think that Kohoutek 1&2 are better than Komentenmelodie 1&2. Does anyone agree? >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Familie de Haan Subject: Re: (kw) kohoutek Date: 29 Apr 2000 18:00:50 +0200 > BTW It think that Kohoutek 1&2 are better than Komentenmelodie 1&2. > Does anyone agree? er.. no. I wouldn't go that far to say I hate it, but it took a few "hearings" to appreciate it. Kometenmelodie 1 sounds much richer and fatter, has much more groove in it. Kohoutek 1 sounds real demo-ish. The first time I heard it I thought it was some sick joke, a bad cover or something. Kometenmelodie is definitely in my KW top 3 jeroen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Daw" Subject: Re: (kw) kohoutek Date: 29 Apr 2000 19:44:24 +0100 Can anybody point me in the direction of somewhere where I can find mp3 files of the Kohoutek tracks as I have never heard these before. Thanks Simon Daw # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) kohoutek Date: 29 Apr 2000 21:22:57 +0200 On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:38:24 PDT, Vincent Smits wrote: > >BTW It think that Kohoutek 1&2 are better than Komentenmelodie 1&2. >Does anyone agree? well... they are not better or worse, they are diferent. I like very much Kometen... 1 and Kohoutek 1, for some reasons, I found that Komentenmelodie 2 sounds very unprofessional with a synth sound that were probably recorded too loud. for my tastes, Kohoutek 2 is too slow and the rhythme is just borring. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) kohoutek Date: 29 Apr 2000 22:31:15 +0200 On Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:44:24 +0100, Simon Daw wrote: > >Can anybody point me in the direction of somewhere where I can find mp3 >files of the Kohoutek tracks as I have never heard these before. ftp://kw:kw@lacava.dynip.com in the Kraftwerr/rarities dir. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Mokris Subject: Re: (kw) kohoutek -> autobahn live Date: 29 Apr 2000 19:08:15 -0400 (EDT) > ftp://kw:kw@lacava.dynip.com Live/1981 Tour/hutrecht/autobahn.mp3 i just downloaded this version of autobahn... it's slightly faster and has a drumbeat more like "metropolis" (i think) than most other autobahn versions i've heard... it also contains a very nice echoing-melody i haven't heard before... and alternate lyrics (translation?)... does anyone know more about this? (sorry if this has been discussed before; i haven't seen it referred to anywhere) man... i love the way kw improvised (or was it all planned? :^) ) during concerts on that 1981 tour... (sorry i haven't replied to various other messages yet... been quite busy... :^) ) steve --- Q8.4: How can I write a cpp macro which takes a variable number of arguments? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cancerperson" Subject: Re: (kw) kohoutek Date: 29 Apr 2000 20:29:09 -0500 where can i find a copy of this kohoutek? i've never even heard of it...course that doesn't mean anything, but I'd like to hear it. brian -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s: a-- C+++ UL P+ L++ E---- W+ N++ o- K w M- V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5- X++ R+ tv b+++ DI++ D++ G e>++ h! r-->++ y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.omn.net/~kpbloke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "xelius" Subject: (kw) Kohoutek Date: 29 Apr 2000 16:06:04 +0200 Thanks to all for the exhaustive answers 'bout Kohoutek. I didn't know about their '73 single with the two versions of Kohoutek The truth seems to be that the song come out from a demo tape (probabily on C-cassette?). What's the version printed on Fontana album 'Krafwerk'? Where I can find a good Mp3 of the other one? I dilsike this track because of its lo fi sound and the 'speeded up' general sensation .(KwK always means for me example of hi Q electro pop sound ). >>I don't think that anything in the world is better than Kommetenmelodie 2. I << >>like the Kohoutek tracks. I know that some people dislike them. I don't. I << >>think they're cool << Kometenmelodie melody ,howewer, leave me perplexed.( stepping the major scale with tonal arpeggios doesn't shake me deep). :-| The game is played around the different arrangements but It seems to me a stylistic exercise. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "xelius" Subject: (kw) kometenmelodie 2 sound Date: 30 Apr 2000 10:13:12 +0200 >>I found that Komentenmelodie 2 sounds very unprofessional with a synth sound that were >>probably recorded too loud. It seems an high frequencies overload on the tape. I like it very much in some cases. Sometimes sound character build up itself from an uncorret setting or a damaged device and it's magic. >>Kometenmelodie 1 sounds much richer and fatter, >>has much more groove in it I agree. >>for my tastes, Kohoutek 2 is too slow and the rhythme is just borring. This 'let's twist again fever' I fill also in airvwes and I dislike it. It was a '60 reflux. -Ev not rEv- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: (kw) KRAFTWERK vs. Fluer? Date: 30 Apr 2000 11:10:50 +0200 Hi! Is there anybody who can report of the hearing at the Hamburg Court last Friday? Thanks Gunnar # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) KWS Date: 30 Apr 2000 13:59:16 +0200 There's a single titled 'Please Don't Go' by an act called K.W.S. 1992 Next Plateau Records The #1 UK Hits! Please Don't Go 7" Sunshine Edit (4:15) DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) KRAFTWERK vs. Fluer? Date: 30 Apr 2000 16:13:55 +0200 > Is there anybody who can report of the hearing at the Hamburg Court last > Friday? > > Thanks > Gunnar Nothing new. The lawsuit will be continued at the earliest in june. Jan ^^^v^^^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bob hill Subject: (kw) re: ftp lacava.dynip Date: 30 Apr 2000 16:47:16 -0700 On Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:44:24 +0100, Simon Daw wrote: > >Can anybody point me in the direction of somewhere where I can find mp3 >files of the Kohoutek tracks as I have never heard these before. ftp://kw:kw@lacava.dynip.com in the Kraftwerr/rarities dir. When I try this, a password is requested. Is it bad manners to ask if anyone knows this password? Is the owner of the server a membert of this maillist? Bob in sunny California # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bob hill Subject: (kw) re: ftp lacava.dynip Date: 30 Apr 2000 16:47:26 -0700 On Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:44:24 +0100, Simon Daw wrote: > >Can anybody point me in the direction of somewhere where I can find mp3 >files of the Kohoutek tracks as I have never heard these before. ftp://kw:kw@lacava.dynip.com in the Kraftwerr/rarities dir. When I try this, a password is requested. Is it bad manners to ask if anyone knows this password? Is the owner of the server a member of this maillist? Bob in sunny California # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: (kw) Kohoutek Date: 30 Apr 2000 20:04:51 EDT >Can anybody point me in the direction of somewhere where I can find mp3 >files of the Kohoutek tracks as I have never heard these before. ftp://kw:kw@lacava.dynip.com in the Kraftwerr/rarities dir. I can't even get that far! For some reason all I can do is get to the second page! :-( Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Romulus Giovanni" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk mentioned in "High Fidelity" Date: 30 Apr 2000 03:26:58 GMT Hi guys, Did any of you get to see the new release "High Fidelity" starring John Cussack? Towards the end (actually, like half an hour before the ending) one of the characters mentions that his music has some German influence. Then John (forgot his character name in the movie) whips out a list of German bands, one of which is you know who. Zamir ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Expo 2000 Date: 29 Apr 2000 21:20:49 +0200 Found at http://www.bigbag.de/Detail.cfm?ID=1525772&CFID=50391&CFTOKEN=95713233 Interpret: Kraftwerk Titel: Expo 2000 Maxi CD - 14.50 DM CD Single - 9.95 DM 12" (Vinyl Maxi-Single) - 16.50 DM Erscheinungsdatum : 06-Dec-99 Label: Kling Klan Question: Is this the actual cover? DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vincent Smits" Subject: Re: (kw) kohoutek Date: 29 Apr 2000 11:44:46 PDT >er.. no. I wouldn't go that far to say I hate it, but it took a few >"hearings" to appreciate it. Kometenmelodie 1 sounds much richer and > >fatter, has much more groove in it. Kohoutek 1 sounds real demo-ish. >The >first time I heard it I thought it was some sick joke, a bad >cover or >something. You've got a point there. Yesterday I downloaded Kohoutek 2 (slow version) from Napster, only half of it unfortunatly, and I thought it was better than the slow version of Kometenmelodie. Does someone have a complete Kohoutek 2 (slow version) mp3 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Kohoutek .......... Date: 30 Apr 2000 14:16:54 +0200 Richard Marston wrote: >What does 'Kohoutek' translate into English as? Or is it an acronym? Or an >anagram? Kohoutek is the name of a comet discovered, by a Czech astronomer, the same year Kraftwerk released the single Kometenmelodie. This is the song's name reason. Quoted from http://www.letsfindout.com/subjects/space/kohoutek.html Kohoutek: The Shy Comet In 1973, a Czechoslovakian astronomer discovered a comet while it was still far from the Sun, and it was named Kohoutek after him. Some astronomers expected it to be very bright when it got close to Earth. The average citizen heard a lot of talk about "the comet of the century" and expected a spectacular light show when it got close to Earth. DER AUTOMAT ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 9:13 PM > I ask you if the story of kohoutek song was discussed on this list and I > add ' true' because I can do a lot of suppositions around this (horrible) > track ,but the mystery of its existence (only on Fontana record?) take me up > every time I play this record. > A transfert mistake? > A damaged master tape? > A joke ? > Is it a demo of kometenmelodie ? > Is it an unerased end of a recycled master tape ? > A psychophonic episode ? > If anyone think to know the truth......... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Kohoutek .......... Date: 29 Apr 2000 14:08:13 +0200 Richard Marston wrote: >What does 'Kohoutek' translate into English as? Or is it an acronym? Or an >anagram? Kohoutek is the name of a comet discovered, by a Czech astronomer, the same year Kraftwerk released the single Kometenmelodie. This is the song's name reason. Quoted from http://www.letsfindout.com/subjects/space/kohoutek.html Kohoutek: The Shy Comet In 1973, a Czechoslovakian astronomer discovered a comet while it was still far from the Sun, and it was named Kohoutek after him. Some astronomers expected it to be very bright when it got close to Earth. The average citizen heard a lot of talk about "the comet of the century" and expected a spectacular light show when it got close to Earth. DER AUTOMAT ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 9:13 PM > I ask you if the story of kohoutek song was discussed on this list and I > add ' true' because I can do a lot of suppositions around this (horrible) > track ,but the mystery of its existence (only on Fontana record?) take me up > every time I play this record. > A transfert mistake? > A damaged master tape? > A joke ? > Is it a demo of kometenmelodie ? > Is it an unerased end of a recycled master tape ? > A psychophonic episode ? > If anyone think to know the truth......... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: Re: (kw) KWS Date: 30 Apr 2000 13:34:31 GMT There's a single titled 'Please Don't Go' by an act called K.W.S. 1992 Next Plateau Records The #1 UK Hits! Please Don't Go 7" Sunshine Edit (4:15) DER AUTOMAT - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - this truly was one god awful number one! makes me ashamed to be english... what does have to do with Kraftwerk? the name? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gary pedoto" Date: 30 Apr 2000 18:43:44 EDT What does 'Kohoutek' translate into English as? Or is it an acronym? Or an anagram? "Kohoutek" is simply the name of the person who discovered comet Kohoutek in the 1970s. Comets are usually, if not always, named after the lucky person who first discovers them. Gary ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/