From: Stephan Schumacher Subject: (kw) Speak And Spell... Date: 01 May 2000 11:26:37 +0200 Hi there ! I´m a new memeber of the mailing list and I´ld like to say something about the S&S and the synthetic voices used by KW. I was´nt able to get a S&S yet, so I don´t know it exactly but: There has to be a way to programm words or sentences in it. OMD also used the S&S on "Dazzle Chips" and if You listen to the spoken words of "Computerworld" like "Reisen, Zeit, Medizin, Unterhaltung" You will notice that it´s the voice of the S&S programmed in a way to make an englisch talking machine speak German. Now I want to refer to the brilliant letter about the vocoder voices that I got from the mailing list: I read in an interview that KW used synthetic voices on "Electric Cafe" that had been programmed by universitiy memebers who were involved into synthetic speech research. And another thing is that Patrick Bussy wrote in his book about KW, that they got a synthetic speech module from the army in the middle of the 70ies, I think that this one may be the voice that introduces KW to the audience when the concerts start "Meine Daaameeen uunnd Heeeerrren ...". A friend of mine was at an auction for old synthesizers years ago and Ralf Hütter, who was also there bought everything that he could get, You know their parents are Doctors and architects, they always had enough money to buy newest technology ( at least they had enough money to let the "vitual mannequinns"- company programm their "Musique Non Stop"- Video in th US years ago which cost A LOT at that time) adn they always had contact to highly experienced professionals, so I think it would´nt had been a problem for them to get access to the speech chip of the S&S- machine, at least if You notice that they always were very engaged in sound technologies and able to build own new devices. By the way, I´m very pleased that there are some nerds out there who are interested in the same useless crap as I´m. Excuses for my horrible English. Stay tuned nuc 2000 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) speak and spell. Date: 01 May 2000 09:27:32 -0400 Okay, a couple of questions about the S&S... First - is the "on line" version of the learning tool the same as the actual Texas Instruments version. "They" claim it is. Second, how do you get it to "say" anything but individual letters? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) Speak & Spell Date: 01 May 2000 19:11:11 +0200 Hi, First, I'd like to thank the person who posted the URL for the Speak & Spell emulator. It's definitely great, one can't imagine how I like this little toy. btw, if you know an emulator of the "Simon Pocket" game, please let me know, it was also one of my favourite electronic toy of that time. well, Back to the S & S, I'd like to say that KW was not the only band to use it in their music in 1981, I know at least another song with the same kind of speech, it's the song "L'amour toujours" by Telex (original version) and also the song "Your truely, 2095" by the E.L.O. Cheers, Arnaud # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) Speak And Spell... Date: 01 May 2000 11:17:38 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 1 May 2000, Stephan Schumacher wrote: > Hi there ! > I=B4m a new memeber of the mailing list and I=B4ld like to say something > about the S&S and the synthetic voices used by KW. I was=B4nt able to get > a S&S yet, so I don=B4t know it exactly but: There has to be a way to > programm words or sentences in it. That's a good point. It does sound a lot like a S&S, though the inflection is just a little off.=20 I would say that one of these conditions is true: - KW managed to create a vocoder that sounds just like the S&S. - KW hacked a S&S to get it to say what they wanted. - The words are from one of the S&S expansion packs. - The words are from the Speak & Read. I don't know what its vocabulary is like.=20 --=20 /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) speak and spell. Date: 01 May 2000 11:22:26 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 1 May 2000 Fred_Harding@idx.com wrote: > Second, how do you get it to "say" anything but individual letters? Play one of its built-in games. If it's a full S&S emulator, it should have these games: - Clue - Mystery Word - Secret Code - Letter - Say It - Spell If it emulates the (very rare) Super Speak & Spell, it should have: - Spell It - Drop It - Memory - Mystery - Mix Up - Same As - A.C.E. - Race -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: (kw) Speak & Spell Date: 01 May 2000 11:44:18 -0600 (MDT) All this talk of the S&S made me dig out mine to experiment a bit. The Super Speak & Spell sounds much smoother than the original. It could not have produced any of the words KW used. The regular S&S sounds right, but does not seem to have any of the words used in Computer World. They might be on one of the expansion packs. The Speak & Read also sounds right, and has the ability to say any word you type in that is in its memory. I could get it to say "hnumber" but not "business" or "computer". Again, these words might be on one of the expansion packs. I really need to find the expansion packs for these things. I also really need to find the time to sample all their sounds. It's not easy since the words come up randomly. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marc Plainguet" Subject: Re: (kw) Speak & Spell Date: 01 May 2000 14:54:15 -0700 Could someone send me the URL for the S&S. I lost it. Thanks! - Marc # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) Speak & Spell Date: 01 May 2000 13:33:46 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 1 May 2000, Marc Plainguet wrote: > Could someone send me the URL for the S&S. I lost it. > Thanks! http://sass.retrogames.com/ -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "xelius" Subject: (kw) text to speech Date: 01 May 2000 23:07:36 +0200 See a good but expencive text to speech software @: http://www.bell-labs.com/project/tts/index.html xelius # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "xelius" Subject: (kw) text to speech high Quality Date: 01 May 2000 23:29:48 +0200 test it @: http://www.research.att.com/~mjm/cgi-bin/ttsdemo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) KWS Date: 01 May 2000 16:16:14 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 3:34 PM > There's a single titled 'Please Don't Go' by an act called K.W.S. > 1992 > Next Plateau Records > The #1 UK Hits! > Please Don't Go 7" Sunshine Edit (4:15) > > DER AUTOMAT > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > this truly was one god awful number one! makes me ashamed to be english... *LOL* ;-))) btw : there r far worst # 1 hits in music history than the 1 mentioned above !!! ;-))) so don't worry about that , "big" matt ! ;-))) > what does have to do with Kraftwerk? the name? well ... i think herr automat puts nearly EVERYTHING in context with KraftWerk which includes the initials K & W !!! *ROTFL* ;-))) okay ! here's another 1 4 u , mate : KauderWelsch !!! what do u think about that 1 ??? *CSROTFLOL* ;-))) btw : "kauderwelsch" can be translated into the english word "gibberish" or maybe " double dutch " or even "lingo" !!! ;-))) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cancerperson" Subject: (kw) re: text to speech Date: 01 May 2000 21:17:27 -0500 did ya'll notice on the bell labs site, the song bicycle built for two? hello dave... heheh yeah, i know that was ot, but i couldnt help it... -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s: a-- C+++ UL P+ L++ E---- W+ N++ o- K w M- V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5- X++ R+ tv b+++ DI++ D++ G e>++ h! r-->++ y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.omn.net/~kpbloke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) re: text to speech Date: 01 May 2000 23:28:45 EDT In a message dated 5/1/00 11:26:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gorbie6079@home.com writes: << -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s: a-- C+++ UL P+ L++ E---- W+ N++ o- K w M- V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5- X++ R+ tv b+++ DI++ D++ G e>++ h! r-->++ y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ >> What does this mean? Is it that you think someone is a real geek? Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cancerperson" Subject: (kw) re: text to speech Date: 01 May 2000 23:02:30 -0500 that thing below there is my geekcode, it just shows what kind of geek i am if you have the time, go to www.geekcode.com to manually decode it. cp -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s: a-- C+++ UL P+ L++ E---- W+ N++ o- K w M- V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5- X++ R+ tv b+++ DI++ D++ G e>++ h! r-->++ y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.omn.net/~kpbloke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) re: text to speech Date: 02 May 2000 18:57:02 +0200 > << -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.12 > GCS d- s: a-- C+++ UL P+ L++ E---- W+ N++ o- K w > M- V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5- X++ R+ tv b+++ DI++ D++ > G e>++ h! r-->++ y+ > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > >> > > What does this mean? Is it that you think someone is a real geek? > Christian You're on the Kraftwerk mailing list and wonder about this? :-))) Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Mokris Subject: Re: (kw) 1984 and other futures of the past Date: 02 May 2000 14:13:24 -0400 (EDT) hi... thanks, kevin and micROBOT, for welcoming me... :^) i'll provide a bit of an introduction: for those of you who are tallying "young kwf"s, i am presently seventeen years old... i became interested in kw about this time two years ago. i had borrowed a kurzweil k2vx from my school, and on it were patches titled "craftwork digi" etc... i thought, "mm... that sounds familiar...". i did a bit of internetsearching and namemangling and finally found some pages on kw. i think the first time i listened to them, when i _knew_ i was listening to them, at least, was the two hour radio special (available as realaudio, i don't remember where offhand). i found it quite interesting (esp. pocket calculator... "yay! geek music! just the thing for me!" :^) ), and found some more music (mostly at our library) and listened... i'm especially interested in them because i compose music, most of which is computerbased... and am also quite interested in computerprogramming and soundsynthesis. my group's homepage is http://pi.softpixel.com/ , in case anyone is interested... :^) > An interesting perspective, though the dystopian influence is almost > undeniably Fritz Lang's 'Metropolis' rather than Orwell. Your explanation of > 'The Model' in Orwellian terms is thought-provoking... However, you cannot > deny the optimism of this album: space stations, robotic assistants, > shimmering neon lights, technology as an enhancement to humans... The future > we expected and have been cheated of. i am not too familiar with lang... i have, however seen a webpage with comparisons of symbols used in lang's work and those (replicated?) by kw, and am convinced... i had interpreted "the robots" as being representative of human society (fascism almost)... perhaps i'll just keep my mouth shut until i learn about lang... ;^) steve --- Q8.4: How can I write a cpp macro which takes a variable number of arguments? A8.4: #define add(x) (x) #define add(x, y) (x + y) #pragma induction add # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "xelius" Subject: (kw) S&S Date: 02 May 2000 23:01:08 +0200 >- KW managed to create a vocoder that sounds just like the S&S.< It's like to transform Ferrari into a caterpillar. >>- KW hacked a S&S to get it to say what they wanted.<< very very probabily! Everything contains Eproms is potentially upgradable and customizable by experienced technicians. and.... >You know their parents are Doctors and architects, they always had enough money to buy newest technology< 1+1=2 :-) >>>- The words are from one of the S&S expansion packs.<<< why not ?! ( ( ( ( xxeeeeliii uuusss ) ) ) ) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) S&S Date: 02 May 2000 15:42:31 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 2 May 2000, xelius wrote: > >>- KW hacked a S&S to get it to say what they wanted.<< > > very very probabily! > Everything contains Eproms is potentially upgradable and customizable > by experienced technicians. Not really. Most hardware from that era was jeasously guarded. I disassembled a S&S once and traced out the circuit. No EPROMS in there. Just a few proprietary TI chips and a PROM for the words. The expansion modules contained PROMs too, with in-house part numbers. I couldn't determine if the pinouts were standard or not. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Liethen Subject: Re: (kw) S&S Date: 02 May 2000 16:48:49 -0500 > >- KW hacked a S&S to get it to say what they wanted.<< Some TI-94/A Home Computers came with a speech module/cartridge that sounded just like the speak and spell (probably used the same chipset at the S&S), and could be programed phonetically so say words not in it dictionary. I have one somewhere, and I see if it still works .... -- Peter Liethen pliethen@execpc.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) S&S Date: 02 May 2000 18:40:20 EDT In a message dated 5/2/00 5:52:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pliethen@execpc.com writes: << > >- KW hacked a S&S to get it to say what they wanted.<< Some TI-94/A Home Computers came with a speech module/cartridge that sounded just like the speak and spell (probably used the same chipset at the S&S), and could be programed phonetically so say words not in it dictionary. I have one somewhere, and I see if it still works .... -- Peter Liethen pliethen@execpc.com >> Will this quest never end? ( I hope NOt) Doesn't somebody know anybody closely related to KW or even someone that worked with them or even know them personally? Or is it more fun to speculate? How bout both options? Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: (kw) Curiouser and curiouser... Date: 02 May 2000 08:36:22 GMT Hello Fellow Kraftwerk enthusiasts, I have had an interesting experience the last few days... I was attempting to outbid everybody (on e-bay) for the 4 live 7 inches from 1997. I was doing pretty well, I thought, up until the very last moment. I had raised my bid to 45 dollars (damn bargain if I ever did see one!) and was quite content with this. Over the final 30 minutes of open bidding, I recieved no mails telling me I had been outbid, so 30 minutes later I checked the page, and discovered I had been outbid by someone! Damn upset was I :( until I looked at the outbidders name and it looked suspiciously familiar. I shalln't divulge the address (for fear of being flamed by the owner) but I was wondering if anyone else has experienced this phenomenon? Do we really think Ralf/Florian would begin buying back their own products? Just curious, Matthew Large ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Mokris Subject: Re: (kw) S&S Date: 02 May 2000 18:47:44 -0400 (EDT) > Not really. Most hardware from that era was jeasously guarded. I > disassembled a S&S once and traced out the circuit. No EPROMS in there. > Just a few proprietary TI chips and a PROM for the words. The expansion > modules contained PROMs too, with in-house part numbers. I couldn't > determine if the pinouts were standard or not. --- ORDER FORM 1979.04.22 Texas Instruments, Inc. Somewhere in Texas probably Florian Schneider Kraftwerk Near a train station in Duesseldorf # Item Quantity ------ ---- -------- xyzz42 Speak and Spell Educational Device 5000 Enclosed please find a check from the parents of Ralf Huetter. --- ...a month later... --- Two people can be seen standing in a dark, smokefilled room. One has thick-rimmed glasses, typically of the sort that are associated with engineers and generally geeky-type people, the other, without glasses, is slightly taller. "Ach," says one, as they gaze through the window to the thousands of workers at benches in the rather large room below, "was wir wollen wird ausgefuehrt." The seemingly endless work of the drones beneath continues for several minutes. Suddenly one stands up from his bench and shouts "ich fand es! ich fand es!" and begins to run toward the stairway to the guardpost, carrying a rectangular red plastic box---with a convenient built-in carrying handle---that has been opened and resoldered a bit. The two likewise meet the underling there. When he presses down the special key, an inhuman voice states "Reisen!" "Wart mal" says the underling, "es musst weiter gehen." After a bit of dial-turning ("Nach Feineinstellung mit der Hand"), the box then states "Zeit!" and several other prophetic words. "Schliesslich!" says one, "Wir empfaengen die Tone die Niemand kennt!" "Ich nehme du heut' gerne mit zu mir nach Haus!" says the other to the underling. Following a short celebration ("Jetzt wollen wir tanzen mechanik!"), the two leaders ride the elevator back down to their main control room. --- steve --- Q8.4: How can I write a cpp macro which takes a variable number of arguments? A8.4: #define add(x) (x) #define add(x, y) (x + y) #pragma induction add # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Curiouser and curiouser... Date: 02 May 2000 23:12:04 EDT In a message dated 5/2/00 11:08:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, landof_thelarge@hotmail.com writes: << Do we really think Ralf/Florian would begin buying back their own products? Just curious, >> You're not implying that some Person from a group like, oh I don't know, Kraftwerk would be buying that! Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mats.kadmark@liber.se Subject: (kw) New mp3s - Kohoutek2 Date: 03 May 2000 10:29:09 +0100 Hello ! ! ! I just updated my KW-page with the following mp3s: Kometenmelodie - Kohoutek 2 (B-side of the 7"-single) Sex Object - Edition espanola (Very rare Spanish version) As usual recorded in 128 kBit/s <> and as usual located at: http://hem.fyristorg.com/kraftwerk Any reports from Landesgericht Hamburg ? Was it postponed? Greetings from Sweden! Mats # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tjodolf Ulriksen" Subject: RE: Re: (kw) S&S Date: 03 May 2000 02:14:53 -0700 PldpbGwgdGhpcyBxdWVzdCBuZXZlciBlbmQ/ICggSSBob3BlIE5PdCkgRG9lc24ndCBzb21l Ym9keSBrbm93IGFueWJvZHkgDQo+Y2xvc2VseSByZWxhdGVkIHRvIEtXIG9yIGV2ZW4gc29t ZW9uZSB0aGF0IHdvcmtlZCB3aXRoIHRoZW0gb3IgZXZlbiBrbm93IHRoZW0gDQo+cGVyc29u YWxseT8NCg0KV2VsbCwgS2FybCBCYXJ0b3MgaGFzIG5vdCB5ZXQgcmV2ZWFsZWQgYW55dGhp bmcgYW5kIGlzbid0IGRvaW5nIHRoYXQgbWFueSBpbnRlcnZpZXdzOyBXb2xmZ2FuZyBGbPxy J3MgYXV0b2Jpb2dyYXBoeSBoYXJkbHkgbWVudGlvbnMgdGhlIG11c2ljLiBNYXliZSBpbiBo aXMgd29ya3Nob3BzPw0KS3JhZnR3ZXJrIGhhdmUgYWxzbyBicm9rZW4gd2l0aCB0aGVpciBs eXJpYyB3cml0ZXIsIG1hbmFnZW1lbnRzLCBhbmQgQW1lcmljYW4gcmVjb3JkIGxhYmVsLiBF bWlsIFNjaHVsdCB3YXMgbGFzdCBzZWVuIGV4aGliaXRpbmcgaGlzIHBhaW50aW5ncy4gSSBk b24ndCBzdXBwb3NlIGhlIHdhcyBldmVyIHRvbGQgd2hhdCBlcXVpcG1lbnQgdGhlIG11c2lj IHdhcyBkb25lIG9uLiANClRoZSBvbmx5IHBlcnNvbiBrbm93biB0byBoYXZlIGFueSBjb250 YWN0IHdpdGggS3JhZnR3ZXJrIHRvZGF5IGlzIFRob21hcyBEaW5nZXIuIChOZXcgQ0QgIkv2 bmlncmVpY2ggQmlsayIgb3V0IG5vdyEpIElmIHRoZSBtZXNzIGhlIHJlbGVhc2VkIGFzIGEg Q0QgdGl0bGVkICJGZXR0bGViZXIiIGlzIGFueXRoaW5nIHRvIGdvIGJ5LCBoZSBkb2Vzbid0 IGtub3cgc3F1YXQgYWJvdXQgbXVzaWNhbCBlcXVpcG1lbnQuIEkgaGF2ZW4ndCBoZWFyZCB0 aGUgbmV3IG9uZS4NCkFueXdheSwgaWYgYW55b25lIHdpc2hlcyB0byBzdGF5IG9uIGZyaWVu ZGx5IHRlcm1zIHdpdGggUmFsZiBhbmQgRmxvcmlhbiwgdGhleSByZXNwZWN0IHRoZWlyIHdp c2hlcyBhbmQgc3RheSBzaWxlbnQuDQoNCldvbGZnYW5nIHNheXMgaGUgY291bGQgaGF2ZSB3 cml0dGVuIGEgNTAwLXBhZ2UgYm9vayBhbmQgZGVzdHJveWVkIHRoZW0uIEhvcGUgaGUgZG9l cywgSSdtIGtlZW4gdG8gc2VlIHdoYXQgdGhleSd2ZSBkb25lIHRoYXQncyBzbyBiYWQuIA0K DQoNCiBPciBpcyBpdCBtb3JlIGZ1biB0byBzcGVjdWxhdGU/IA0KDQpDYWxsIGl0IGV4dHJh cG9sYXRlLCBpZiB0aGVyZSBpcyBzdWNoIGEgd29yZCBpbiB0aGUgRW5nbGlzaCBsYW5ndWFn ZS4NClNvbWV0aW1lcywgdmFndWUgaGludHMgYXJlIGRyb3BwZWQsIGFuZCB0aGUgbGlzdHMg b2YgZXF1aXBtZW50IGFuZCB0ZWNobmljaWFucyBvbiBhbGJ1bSBzbGVldmVzIGFsc28gb2Zm ZXIgc29tZSBjbHVlcy4gDQoNCkFNDQoNCg0KDQoNCi0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLQ0KU3VwcG9ydCBUZWFtIC8g UG9ybkluZHVzdHJ5LmNvbSAvIHdlYm1hc3RlckBwb3JuaW5kdXN0cnkuY29tDQoNCg0K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) 1984 and other futures of the past Date: 03 May 2000 13:40:38 +0000 Steve Mokris wrote: > i had interpreted "the robots" as being representative of human society > (fascism almost)... perhaps i'll just keep my mouth shut until i learn > about lang... ;^) Please don't: your thoughts were interesting. But try to see 'Metropolis', you'll probably enjoy it! It exists in several edits, with various soundtracks (the original film is silent). Giorgio Moroder's tinted version is widely available and is much better than one would expect (given the pop soundtrack). And if you hate the music, turn the sound down and play 'The Man-Machine', which fits perfectly... Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Ikon Date: 03 May 2000 13:58:35 +0200 Ikon has recently released a Limited Edition CD entitled "Secrets Within" (Area 51), which contains 14 tracks of the band, published throughout 5 years, remixing to Bauhaus, Joy Division, Kraftwerk, Damned... Ikon did a cover version of "The Model" which it was included on "Trancewerk Express Vol. 1 (A Tribute To Kraftwerk)" released by the American label Hypnotic, a subsidiary of Cleopatra Records. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) 1984 and other futures of the past Date: 03 May 2000 06:10:58 -0700 Kevin wrote: >And if you hate the music, turn the sound down and play >'The Man-Machine', which fits perfectly... Note to self: Add to my list of 'Rent a movie and watch it with the sound off': Wizard of Oz, and Metropolis. BTW I love Moroder, but I'll do it just for the heck of it ;-) Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Rational Youth Date: 03 May 2000 15:48:15 +0200 Rational Youth have released the album "To The Goddess Electricity" (October) which it has Kraftwerk influences. http://www.rationalyouth.com/ "Our album, "To The Goddess Electricity", is finished and available in Germany and in Scandinavia. It should be available in other European territories soon and Canadian distribution is being negotiated." DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wahlbom Subject: Re: (kw) Rational Youth Date: 03 May 2000 16:00:28 +0200 (MET DST) On Wed, 3 May 2000, Der Automat wrote: > > Rational Youth have released the album "To The Goddess Electricity" > (October) which it has Kraftwerk influences. Indeed it has; the title track has some *very* conscious borrowings from Kraftwerk, "Europa Endlos" and "Neonlicht" to be precise. Bloody good album too. (Dave Rout, who left the band during or shortly after the recording of the album, has sometimes been visible on this very list.) > http://www.rationalyouth.com/ > "Our album, "To The Goddess Electricity", is finished and available in > Germany and in Scandinavia. It should be available in other European > territories soon and Canadian distribution is being negotiated." ...and while you're at it you should get _Cold War Night Life_ if you don't have it already. And listen to the MP3s at mp3.com; I think there's a link from the homepage. (Could you imagine Kraftwerk doing that, putting eight (last time I looked) of their most well-known songs online in MP3 format?) I maintain that "Saturdays In Silesia" is one of the greatest synthpop songs ever written... Anders Wahlbom | http://www.update.uu.se/~awahlbom/ (Finger for geek code) | http://www.cutoff.se/dss NOW PLAYING: Lustans Lakejer: _Lustans Lakejer_ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) S&S Date: 02 May 2000 23:18:30 EDT In a message dated 5/2/00 11:09:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, smokris@softpixel.com writes: << Two people can be seen standing in a dark, smokefilled room. One has thick-rimmed glasses, typically of the sort that are associated with engineers and generally geeky-type people, the other, without glasses, is slightly taller. "Ach," says one, as they gaze through the window to the thousands of workers at benches in the rather large room below, "was wir wollen wird ausgefuehrt." The seemingly endless work of the drones beneath continues for several minutes. Suddenly one stands up from his bench and shouts "ich fand es! ich fand es!" and begins to run toward the stairway to the guardpost, carrying a rectangular red plastic box---with a convenient built-in carrying handle---that has been opened and resoldered a bit. The two likewise meet the underling there. When he presses down the special key, an inhuman voice states "Reisen!" "Wart mal" says the underling, "es musst weiter gehen." After a bit of dial-turning ("Nach Feineinstellung mit der Hand"), the box then states "Zeit!" and several other prophetic words. "Schliesslich!" says one, "Wir empfaengen die Tone die Niemand kennt!" "Ich nehme du heut' gerne mit zu mir nach Haus!" says the other to the underling. Following a short celebration ("Jetzt wollen wir tanzen mechanik!"), the two leaders ride the elevator back down to their main control room. --- steve >> Can you please translate this? I seem to have forgotten my German vocabulary today! Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andréas Hagström" Subject: (kw) (KW)Thaemlitz:queer kraftwerk Date: 03 May 2000 03:55:14 PDT Terre is a producer/artist/dj/transvestite and runs the record label=20 "Comatonse Recordings". He has among others released an album with Kraftw= erk=20 Covers called "die roboter rubato": http://www.comatonse.com/listening/rubato.html This album containse long pianosolos of some of Kraftwerks wellknowned=20 traxs. You can find a realplayer file of tour de France on: http://www.comatonse.com/soundfiles/index.html His work relate to sociopolitics and genderissues surounding popculture a= nd=20 gives a new and interesting aspect on the group we all love. "One unwitting and potentially deconstructive disclosure of these=20 fetishistic processes is the active Homoeroticization of Mensch Machines = in=20 everyday life (i.e.,the redirection of Heterosexual Male desire from wome= n=20 toward Masculine engendered technologies). With this revelation I rush to= =20 recognize that what is Homoerotic is not necessarily Queer-empowering. Th= e=20 form of Homoeroticization at issue does not lie in contradiction to domin= ant=20 Western and Global First-World patriarchies, but is rather a manifestatio= n=20 which permeates all actions - a metaphor which lies buried in every atte= mpt=20 to mediate identity in a world of post-Industrial technologies. Kraftwerk= 's=20 most vibrant celebration of this Homoeroticization is in the composition=20 Tour de France. The sonic manifestation of the group's well known adoration for cycling bears an undeniable resemblance to the=20 sound of two men fucking one another - the rhythmic breaths of the top=20 intermingling with the panting moans of the bottom." http://www.comatonse.com/img/drrtourdefrance.gif /Andr=E9as ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Auto-Ivahn Subject: (kw) First message Date: 03 May 2000 14:40:03 +0200 I'm subscribed to this list for almost six months, but this is the first message I send (...fucking exams...)... I think that this message is very interesting. A week ago I read in the Go BCN (a music magazine of Barcelona) a quote about KW; it appeared in the first issue of that magazine, page 13, in a report about Tarwater, in a quote called "the german cobweb". A rough translation from the Spanish is: <> Hmmm. Philosophic, isn't it? Auto-Ivahn. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) Rational Youth Date: 03 May 2000 08:11:33 -0700 DER AUTOMAT wrote: >Rational Youth have released the album "To The Goddess >Electricity" (October) which it has Kraftwerk influences. Anders Wahlbom wrote: >...and while you're at it you should get _Cold War Night Life_ if >you don't have it already. If anyone is interested, I have both and I'm willing to trade them (IMHO they sound just too 80-ish). While I'm at it, I also want to trade the Mobile Homes CD (Japanese edition). All mint condition. If you want CD-R trade, that's fine too. Drop me a line and lets get it on. (FYI, I'm still looking for Senior Coconut's CD) Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) First message Date: 03 May 2000 08:27:15 -0700 Auto-Ivahn wrote: >I'm subscribed to this list for almost six months, but this is the >first message I send (...fucking exams...)... Welcome to the list, and oh yeah... those exams... nothing releases stress better than this list... >A week ago I read in the Go BCN (a music magazine of Barcelona) >a quote about KW; it appeared in the first issue of that magazine... <> >Hmmm. Philosophic, isn't it? "we owe them everything and they don't owe us anything" We usually say that when we do our taxes. Anyway, have to say this one more time, whatever you think about EXPO2K, it just feels pretty damn GOOD to have them back, doesn't? Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Fluer in Hamburg Court today? Date: 03 May 2000 20:39:42 +0000 > Question to Klaus Zaepke...any news from the court case? Yes, there's a tendency to reduce the whole affair to two key questions: 1) Did Wolfgang Fluer actually play on "Autobahn"? 2) Was the infamous drumpad actually invented by Wolfgang Fluer? The other points in dispute (whether Fluer first met Kraftwerk in 1972 or 1973, etc.) are considered as relatively unimportant, as they don't seem to affect anybody's reputation, so it was suggested to drop these points. Some of the photos and erotic anecdotes in the book are seen as a violation of Kraftwerk's privacy. Fluer plans to change these parts for future editions of the book. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: (kw) Curious Date: 03 May 2000 15:44:37 EDT I'm curious. I don't want to offend and it's not really important but am I the only heterosexual on this mailing list? Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greyseason@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) (KW)Thaemlitz:queer kraftwerk Date: 03 May 2000 18:55:19 EDT I have this album. It's pretty interesting. I can't say that it's=20 altogether "good," but it certainly is enjoyable (if you're in the mood). =20 Most of the long piano solos (which are the songs) deviate greatly from the=20 original pieces. His philosophy of the homoerotic nature of KW's music is=20 interesting, but I don't neccessarily take it too seriously. But with recen= t=20 information in Fl=FCr's book, perhaps I should (although I have not yet read= =20 it). Earlier this year, Terre Thaemlitz released an album of piano covers o= f=20 Gary Numan songs called "Replicas Rubato." I haven't heard it, but I'm sure= =20 that I'll buy it someday. Sam drellah@hotmail.com writes: << Terre is a producer/artist/dj/transvestite and runs the record label=20 "Comatonse Recordings". He has among others released an album with Kraftwer= k=20 Covers called "die roboter rubato" >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Curious Date: 03 May 2000 16:33:14 -0700 >I'm curious. I don't want to offend and it's not really important but am I >the only heterosexual on this mailing list? Hmm, you claim that you're straight, and yet refer to yourself as "curious". I sense a lack of confidence about your sexuality... I, like many list members, am a robot, and therefore asexual. Hey, right now I'm enjoying the new mp3's of "Kohoutek 2" and "Sex Object Edicion Espanola". Many thanks, Mats! ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Fluer in Hamburg Court today? Date: 03 May 2000 16:37:20 -0700 >Some of the photos and erotic anecdotes in the book are seen as a >violation of Kraftwerk's privacy. Fluer plans to change these parts >for future editions of the book. And yet, those are the parts that everybody wants to read, especially those of us who have to wait for an English translation! So, German speakers on the list... Just what DOES Wolfgang say that violates Kraftwerk's privacy? Details, please... With photographs and schematics if necessary... ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bob hill Subject: (kw) curiosity... Date: 03 May 2000 20:58:19 -0700 Christian, I should say that you are NOT, the only heteroy on this list. Speaking purely for myself...... Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Mokris Subject: Re: (kw) S&S Date: 03 May 2000 12:24:18 -0400 (EDT) ok, here's the translation (but doesn't sound nearly as good in english :^) ). most of the quotes are directly from kw lyrics (but modified slightly). --- Two people can be seen standing in a dark, smokefilled room. One has thick-rimmed glasses, typically of the sort that are associated with engineers and generally geeky-type people, the other, without glasses, is slightly taller. "Look," says one, as they gaze through the window to the thousands of workers at benches in the rather large room below, "they're doing just what we want them to do." The seemingly endless work of the drones beneath continues for several minutes. Suddenly one stands up from his bench and shouts "i found it! i found it!" and begins to run toward the stairway to the guardpost, carrying a rectangular red plastic box---with a convenient built-in carrying handle---that has been opened and resoldered a bit. The two likewise meet the underling there. When he presses down the special key, an inhuman voice states "Interpol!" "Wait a minute," says the underling, "it will go on." After a bit of dial-turning ("after fine-tuning by hand"), the box then states "Deutsche Bank!" and several other prophetic words. "Finally!" says one, "We will receive the sounds no one knows!" "I'd like to take you home, that's understood." says the other to the underling. Following a short celebration ("and we are dancing mechanic!"), the two leaders ride the elevator back down to their main control room. --- steve --- Q8.4: How can I write a cpp macro which takes a variable number of arguments? A8.4: #define add(x) (x) #define add(x, y) (x + y) #pragma induction add # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Curious Date: 04 May 2000 00:11:50 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 9:44 PM > I'm curious. I don't want to offend and it's not really important but am I > the only heterosexual on this mailing list? > > Christian *ROTFL* ;-))) DON'T WORRY , CHRIS !!! I'M HETEROSEXUAL 2 !!! *LOL* ;-))) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) S&S Date: 03 May 2000 18:24:06 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 12:47 AM > --- > > ORDER FORM > > 1979.04.22 > Texas Instruments, Inc. > Somewhere in Texas probably > > Florian Schneider > Kraftwerk > Near a train station in Duesseldorf > > # Item Quantity > ------ ---- -------- > xyzz42 Speak and Spell Educational Device 5000 > > Enclosed please find a check from the parents of Ralf Huetter. > > --- > ...a month later... > --- > > Two people can be seen standing in a dark, smokefilled room. One has > thick-rimmed glasses, typically of the sort that are associated with > engineers and generally geeky-type people, the other, without glasses, is > slightly taller. "Ach," says one, as they gaze through the window to the > thousands of workers at benches in the rather large room below, "was wir > wollen wird ausgefuehrt." > > The seemingly endless work of the drones beneath continues for several > minutes. Suddenly one stands up from his bench and shouts "ich fand es! > ich fand es!" and begins to run toward the stairway to the guardpost, > carrying a rectangular red plastic box---with a convenient built-in > carrying handle---that has been opened and resoldered a bit. The two > likewise meet the underling there. When he presses down the special key, > an inhuman voice states "Reisen!" "Wart mal" says the underling, "es > musst weiter gehen." After a bit of dial-turning ("Nach Feineinstellung > mit der Hand"), the box then states "Zeit!" and several other prophetic > words. > > "Schliesslich!" says one, "Wir empfaengen die Tone die Niemand kennt!" > > "Ich nehme du heut' gerne mit zu mir nach Haus!" says the other to the > underling. > > Following a short celebration ("Jetzt wollen wir tanzen mechanik!"), the > two leaders ride the elevator back down to their main control room. > > --- > > steve > > --- > Q8.4: How can I write a cpp macro which takes a variable number of arguments? > A8.4: #define add(x) (x) > #define add(x, y) (x + y) > #pragma induction add HEY !!! WHAT A NICE STORY , STEVE !!! ;-))) btw : can i post it 2 my kwf ( kraftwerkfans ;-) newsgroup ??? ;-) i would greatly appreciate that !!! ;-) if u want 2 post it & / or join the newsgroup simply go 2 : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans ! ;-) thanx a lot in advance & many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dave Subject: Re: (kw) Rational Youth Date: 03 May 2000 12:57:14 -0400 At 04:00 PM 03/05/00 +0200, Anders Wahlbom wrote: > >On Wed, 3 May 2000, Der Automat wrote: > >> >> Rational Youth have released the album "To The Goddess Electricity" >> (October) which it has Kraftwerk influences. > >Indeed it has; the title track has some *very* conscious borrowings from >Kraftwerk, "Europa Endlos" and "Neonlicht" to be precise. Bloody good >album too. (Dave Rout, who left the band during or shortly after the >recording of the album, has sometimes been visible on this very list.) Thanks for the mention, Anders ! Just for the record, I played with RY during tthe 1998 gigs in Sweden and Germany, and I was with the band for the recording of Goddess... check out my bad "shoegazer" haircut in the cd liner :) I maintain that "Saturdays In Silesia" is one of the greatest >synthpop songs ever written... definitely...that and city of night were two of the songs that influenced my music a hell of a lot ... you should check out cj bolland's electro remix of meilleur des mondes at www.mp3.com/rationalyouth , it's really cool old school + new school electro... dave rout toronto # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcello Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) Curious Date: 04 May 2000 08:32:00 +0200 Christian wrote: >'m curious. I don't want to offend and it's not really important but am I > the only heterosexual on this mailing list? No, you're not ... it isn't important at all; but how did you get courious about it ? You should get this kind of curiosity if we were on an Erasure or PSB mailing list .... O.K., i'm curious, too... what about our beloved four guys ?? ... we don't know so much about their private lives and sexual attitudes, here in Italy ... Once again, it's not important, but curiosity is a feature of human behaviour, why should we deny it ? B.T.W. :HOW MANY GIRLS (OF COURSE ALL PRETTY, IT COULDN'T BE OTHERWISE HERE !!!) ARE THERE ON THIS LIST) ? Techno_devoted woman are so rare in my country !!!! More curiosity , EH EHE EHH !!! Waiting for new releases (Electrik (with <>, not <> !!!) Music and Yamo are also appreciated !!!) .... Best regards PBOY P.S. If you can understand Italian a little, please try www.kaisersoze.net ... and sign the guestbook, if you want !!! (english version will be soon available !) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Curious Date: 04 May 2000 10:46:56 +0000 CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com wrote: > I'm curious. I don't want to offend and it's not really important but am I > the only heterosexual on this mailing list? I'm not sure where you got that idea from. If anything, I thought this list was the last straight refuge on the internet. :-) :-) But on the serious subject of Terre Taemlitz... I just can't be bothered, to be honest. He may well have some useful insights but one can only take so much postmodernist deconstruction before wondering just what purpose it's all serving, other than making the perpetrator feel clever. Or maybe I've missed the joke. Marcello Di Sante wrote: > B.T.W. :HOW MANY GIRLS (OF COURSE ALL PRETTY, IT COULDN'T BE OTHERWISE HERE > !!!) ARE THERE ON THIS LIST) ? Techno_devoted woman are so rare in my > country !!!! More curiosity , EH EHE EHH !!! I think they all just unsubscribed, Marcello! :-) Jason Polland wrote: > I, like many list members, am a robot, and therefore asexual. Well, as long as you're happy! (A robot, eh?) Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) Fluer in Hamburg Court Date: 04 May 2000 13:44:19 +0200 Neither Wolfgang nor any other KW member were present. It was, as Klaus pointed out, just a kind of meeting between the court and the lawyers to set up priorities. No court order or any decisions has been passed, so there are no consequences so far. (This is why I wrote "nothing new" recently.) The forthcoming session will be the interesting one! ciao from Hamburg Jan > Von: Jason Polland > Datum: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:37:20 -0700 > An: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: (kw) Fluer in Hamburg Court today? > > So, German speakers on the list... Just what DOES Wolfgang say that > violates Kraftwerk's privacy? Details, please... With photographs and > schematics if necessary... > > ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: e6811068@meiga.fib.upc.es Subject: (kw) Curious Date: 04 May 2000 14:46:50 +0100 Don't worry about it all, we are all heterosexual. Well, I think so... Auto-Ivahn. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Stockhausen at Barcelona Date: 04 May 2000 15:18:46 +0200 Karlheinz Stockhausen will play on June 14th at Tivoli Theatre in Barcelona inside the Sonar Festival, where Kraftwerk played two years ago. www.sonar.es Before someone ask what Stockhausen has to do with Kraftwerk, I'll say Kraftwerk was influenced by the Stockhausen's substitution of the harmony by the electronics. BTW, apparently a concert was recorded in 1971 or 1972 by Karlheinz Stockhausen and Kraftwerk; the supposed album would include six tracks: three from Kraftwerk played by Stockhausen, and three from Stockhausen played by Kraftwerk. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Stockhausen at Barcelona Date: 04 May 2000 15:19:53 +0000 Der Automat wrote: > BTW, apparently a concert was recorded in 1971 or 1972 by Karlheinz > Stockhausen and Kraftwerk; the supposed album would include six tracks: > three from > Kraftwerk played by Stockhausen, and three from Stockhausen played by > Kraftwerk. No offence, but as I've hinted before, that is an absolutely _ludicrous_ suggestion! I've no idea how such a rumour would start, except perhaps as a joke. Come on, listen to anything by Kraftwerk and anything by Stockhausen, compare their working methods or read quotes by either party... I accept Stockhausen's music may have been an influence on Kraftwerk (BTW, do we know for sure that it was a significant influence?) but that's it! Regards Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) Curious Date: 04 May 2000 17:43:05 +0200 I never had to click the Trash-button so often like today. Gunnar e6811068@meiga.fib.upc.es wrote > > Don't worry about it all, we are all heterosexual. Well, I think so... > Auto-Ivahn. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: RE: (kw) Stockhausen & Kraftwerk Date: 04 May 2000 16:46:32 +0100 http://www.penguin.com ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** Yeah, I agree with Kevin on that. Although Stockhausen's work is often 'electronic' in origin (and played back on tape) his music often involves a degree of improvisation during performance (there's a duet piece involving a singer and a short wave radio, for example), something which seems rather absent from Kraftwerk's shows (well, I know it's not jazz). I suppose Ralf&Florian was the last album featuring a large amount of improvised Kraftmusik. Kraftwerk's idea of the relationship of performer and audience seems very definitely conventional, with perhaps the 1980's live Pocket Calculator -- holding the mini instruments out into the audience for the crowd to play -- being an exception. One of Stockhausen's orchestral pieces requires three full orchestras, ideally positioned in a triangle formation around the audience; imagine Kraftwerk's music played through a 'tri-phonic' PA system surrounding the audience! Now if only they'd done that at Tribal Gathering... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Curious Date: 04 May 2000 12:26:07 EDT No--I'm married with two children. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) Fluer in Hamburg Court today? Date: 04 May 2000 18:30:35 +0200 Hi Jason, > So, German speakers on the list... Just what DOES Wolfgang say that > violates Kraftwerk's privacy? Details, please... With photographs and > schematics if necessary... ... The interim order against Wolfgang's book is - as far as I know - still in force. Please understand: If one of us (Klaus, me or anyone else) would publish parts of the book via web or mailing list, be sure Ralf and Florian will sue him the same day... :-c Best, Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) Curious Date: 04 May 2000 20:05:42 +0200 Spotnik@aol.com wrote: > > No--I'm married with two children. Ah, paedophile and bigamist at the same time? Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Curious Date: 04 May 2000 11:15:36 -0700 >> I'm curious. I don't want to offend and it's not really important but am I >> the only heterosexual on this mailing list? >> >> Christian > >*ROTFL* ;-))) DON'T WORRY , CHRIS !!! I'M HETEROSEXUAL 2 !!! *LOL* ;-))) Ha, wow, that was pretty funny... hoo-boy... I was 'rolling on the floor, laughing', as it were. Literally, I collapsed from my chair, writhing on the ground in uncontrollable spasms of laughter. My co-workers stared at me with a combination of concern and disgust on their faces. Unable to quell my amusement, I admit to even 'laughing out loud' in fact. The non-stop torrent of hilarity never runs dry, no sir. My goodness! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nitrous Subject: Re: (kw) Curious Date: 04 May 2000 14:31:52 -0400 I was engaged to a woman with a wooden leg,but I broke it off. Rick Jansen wrote: > Spotnik@aol.com wrote: > > > > No--I'm married with two children. > > Ah, paedophile and bigamist at the same time? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Curiouser and curiouser... Date: 04 May 2000 20:41:44 +0200 On Tue, 02 May 2000 08:36:22 GMT, Matthew Large wrote: >until I looked at the outbidders name and it looked >suspiciously familiar. I shalln't divulge the address (for fear of being >flamed by the owner) but I was wondering if anyone else has experienced this >phenomenon? I think anyone on the Internet can take a ralf.schneider@hotmail.com account or similar. So, unless you have something to proove that it could really be him.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Date: 04 May 2000 13:19:47 MDT =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~KRAFTWERK~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Kraftwerk Fans...Hello...I am searching for Kraftwerk cdrs... = 01 Die Mensch Machine...in German Language 02 The Man Machine Recreated 03 Rare Kraftwerk remixes 04 Live Kraftwerk = =2E..in exchange for other Kraftwerk/Electronic Music cdrs... =2E..Please contact me if you are interested...and please email me your Kraftwerk/Electronic Music search/exchange list...Thank You... ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: (kw) Much Humor! Date: 04 May 2000 16:29:01 EDT *ROTFL* :-))) I haven't laughed this hard in a long time!!!!:-) I'm glad you all have a really good sense of humor!! The purpose of that E-mail (curious) was to prove a point to someone I know. I must admit I wasn't expecting all the humorous remarks, that made it even better. If anyone was offended, I am truly sorry! Nothing was meant by it but to just prove that there is a diverse group here on this list. Or a politically correct/incorrect bunch of geeks? O.K. I have geekish tendencies, I admit it, so now I'm not a closet geek any more. Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: R: (kw) Curious Date: 04 May 2000 16:39:27 EDT Great point! B.T.W. :HOW MANY GIRLS (OF COURSE ALL PRETTY, IT COULDN'T BE OTHERWISE HERE !!!) ARE THERE ON THIS LIST) ? Techno_devoted woman are so rare in my country !!!! More curiosity , EH EHE EHH !!! That is an even better question! I don't know any women that like techno! Does anybody know any pretty women that like KW? O.K. how bout any women that like KW? Are there any women on other mail lists that like KW? Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greyseason@aol.com Subject: Re: R: (kw) Curious Date: 04 May 2000 16:45:27 EDT I know some pretty women that like Kraftwerk. CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com writes: << Does anybody know any pretty women that like KW? O.K. how bout any women that like KW? Are there any women on other mail lists that like KW? >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: R: (kw) Curious Date: 04 May 2000 16:49:51 EDT You're kidding? Do you have pictures? Are they on the KW mail list? I'm speechless!!!!! What region of the country do they live? I must get out more often! How did you meet them? Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wahlbom Subject: Re: R: (kw) Curious Date: 04 May 2000 23:05:01 +0200 (MET DST) On Thu, 4 May 2000 CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com wrote: > That is an even better question! I don't know any women that like techno!= =20 > Does anybody know any pretty women that like KW? O.K. how bout any women = that=20 > like KW? Well, I know a fair few... I used to know a girl who had two pet rats that she called Ralf and Florian, and two of my old loves (i.e. I was in love with them, but not the other way around) were - still are - really devoted fans. (One of them always cries when she hears "Radio-Aktivit=E4t"; claims it's the most beautiful piece of music ever composed.) As for my CRI (Current Romantic Interest), I know she's much into Erasure, Pet Shop Boys and Depeche Mode, but that's as far as it goes; she also loves Andrew Lloyd-Webber, which I'm afraid I rather don't. > Are there any women on other mail lists that like KW? Don't know about that; all female KW fans I know are RL acquaintances.=20 Gosh, I haven't written this much to the list in so few days since I first subscribed in August 1994... I'll probably go back to lurking for a year or two later. :-) - Anders Wahlbom | http://www.update.uu.se/~awahlbom/ (Finger for geek code) | http://www.cutoff.se/dss - NOW PLAYING: Der Plan: _,,Perlen''..._ (Achtung, Kurt-Martin, die Macht greift ganz sacht in!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: R: (kw) Curious Date: 04 May 2000 17:34:42 EDT All the women I've known think KW is "too far out there". They're taste for music lacked anyway! :-( BTW, What country are you in? I'm in the US. Is it obvious? Christian PS I tried to write you at your E-mail address but it was returned. It said that address was not available. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk live @ Roskilde Festival '98 Date: 04 May 2000 23:21:37 +0200 (CEST) I point all members of this mailinglist to go to: http://www.rockphoto.dk/dktekst/thkraftw.htm For 2 pictures from Kraftwerk's _SUPREME_ live performance @ Roskilde Festivasl 1998. Words can't express what I felt after my very first KW concert. I was just: Wow! Kaspar D. Larsen aka. Dr.Who? Roskilde, Denmark ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Få en gratis @yahoo.dk-adresse på http://mail.yahoo.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk live @ Roskilde Festival '98 Date: 04 May 2000 19:01:25 EDT In a message dated 5/4/00 6:19:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dr_who_dk@yahoo.dk writes: << I point all members of this mailinglist to go to: http://www.rockphoto.dk/dktekst/thkraftw.htm For 2 pictures from Kraftwerk's _SUPREME_ live performance @ Roskilde Festivasl 1998. Words can't express what I felt after my very first KW concert. I was just: Wow! Kaspar D. Larsen aka. Dr.Who? Roskilde, Denmark >> Can someone E-mail these pictures to me, I can't view them! All I see is an "X". When I click on it nothig happens! Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: (kw) Kohoutek 2 Date: 04 May 2000 21:36:56 EDT I was finally able to down load Kohoutek 2 and I find it rather relaxing. It's definitely mood muzik. What is the faster version like? Or is there one? Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ConnectFree" Subject: RE: R: (kw) Curious Date: 04 May 2000 22:17:05 +0100 Calling someone a 'geek' via e-mail is oxymoronic. The medium is the message, and speaks volumes about the sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Stockhausen at Barcelona Date: 04 May 2000 21:00:50 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 3:18 PM > Karlheinz Stockhausen will play on June 14th at Tivoli Theatre in Barcelona > inside the Sonar Festival, where Kraftwerk played two years ago. > www.sonar.es THANX !!! ;-) > Before someone ask what Stockhausen has to do with Kraftwerk, I'll say > Kraftwerk was influenced by the Stockhausen's substitution of the harmony by > the electronics. OKAY !!! ;-) > BTW, apparently a concert was recorded in 1971 or 1972 by Karlheinz > Stockhausen and Kraftwerk; the supposed album would include six tracks: > three from > Kraftwerk played by Stockhausen, and three from Stockhausen played by > Kraftwerk. SORRY , BUT THIS ISN'T TRUE !!! ;-) BTW : CAN U PROVE IT ... SOMEHOW ??? ;-) > DER AUTOMAT however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BenediktRochow@oaktech.com Subject: Re: (kw) Fluer in Hamburg Court today? Date: 04 May 2000 13:37:49 -0400 >>Some of the photos and erotic anecdotes in the book are seen as a >>violation of Kraftwerk's privacy. Fluer plans to change these parts >>for future editions of the book. > > And yet, those are the parts that everybody wants to read, especially >those of us who have to wait for an English translation! > > So, German speakers on the list... Just what DOES Wolfgang say that >violates Kraftwerk's privacy? Details, please... With photographs and >schematics if necessary... It's, well, private stuff. It ranges from uninteresting and tasteless to just uninteresting. Early on, something about WF masturbating as a teenager (even if one doesn't consider it to be in bad taste, it's still utterly inconsequential); later, mostly stuff about groupies. Again, utterly inconsequential, and it seems like just so much bragging. Speaking of an English version: There is at least one instance where WF uses "realisieren" in a sentence where only the meaning "recognize/understand" of the English "realize" makes sense; the German word does not at all have that meaning. It sounds rather like badly translated computer marketing hype (like "Sense and Sensibility", the German cinema title for which meant "Sense and Sensuality", slight difference) in sentences like that, while most of the book seems rather flat in style, with many lapses into an odd conversational style, as if one started an English sentence with "Gee whiz, it sure was swell how ...." Another low point are the pictures of the MB 600 - I can understand that he had to recreate them for the book, but having a current-style license tag with EU badge that makes it obvious how new the photo is really shows too little attention to detail in a book where the author can predict that all photos will be scrutinized due to their rarity. On the upside, what does the 'El Senor Coconut' CD cost in Germany? Amazon (US) wants >$30... -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Stockhausen at Barcelona Date: 04 May 2000 21:28:32 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 5:19 PM > Der Automat wrote: > > > BTW, apparently a concert was recorded in 1971 or 1972 by Karlheinz > > Stockhausen and Kraftwerk; the supposed album would include six tracks: > > three from > > Kraftwerk played by Stockhausen, and three from Stockhausen played by > > Kraftwerk. > > No offence, but as I've hinted before, that is an absolutely _ludicrous_ > suggestion! I've no idea how such a rumour would start, except perhaps as a > joke. Come on, listen to anything by Kraftwerk and anything by Stockhausen, > compare their working methods or read quotes by either party... > > I accept Stockhausen's music may have been an influence on Kraftwerk (BTW, > do we know for sure that it was a significant influence?) but that's it! > > Regards > > Kevin STOCKHAUSEN WAS NEVER EVER " A SIGNIFICANT INFLUENCE " ON KW & THEIR WORK SO FAR !!! OSKAR SALA INDEED WAS " A MAJOR SIGNIFICANT INFLUENCE " ON KW & THEIR WORK SO FAR !!! JUST LISTEN 2 SALA'S " STAHL - THEMA MIT VARIATIONEN " & MAYBE "COMPARE" IT WITH KW'S "TEE" !!! WHAT DO THINK , EH ?!?!?! ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: (kw) Virus warning Date: 04 May 2000 17:31:00 -0400 Under NO circumstances, should you receive a message with "I LOVE YOU" in the subject, open this message!!!! It's one of the worst computer viruses circulating right now!!!! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: Re: (kw) Curiouser and curiouser... Date: 04 May 2000 20:18:54 GMT I have since had a reply, and he's just another hardcore enthusiast. Well, not 'just' - he's a kraftwerk enthusiast vinyl purchaser... Urm. just forget about it... On Tue, 02 May 2000 08:36:22 GMT, Matthew Large wrote: >until I looked at the outbidders name and it looked >suspiciously familiar. I shalln't divulge the address (for fear of being >flamed by the owner) but I was wondering if anyone else has experienced this >phenomenon? I think anyone on the Internet can take a ralf.schneider@hotmail.com account or similar. So, unless you have something to proove that it could really be him.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Curious Date: 04 May 2000 22:20:52 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 8:05 PM > Spotnik@aol.com wrote: > > > > No--I'm married with two children. > > Ah, paedophile and bigamist at the same time? *CSROTHFLOLFST* !!! *Can'tStopRollin'OnTheHouseFloorLaughin'OutLoudForSomeTime* ;-))) BEST JOKE OF TODAY !!! *hehehe* ;-))) ... & WHO THE HECK SAYS THAT THE KWML IS NOT *FUNNY* , EH !?!?!? ;-))) > Rick Jansen > -- > Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ > email: rja@euronet.nl thanx a lot 2 rick & many greetinx 2 all of u kwf's !!! micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: R: (kw) Curious Date: 04 May 2000 18:33:53 +0200 > No--I'm married with two children. This doesn't imply you're heterosexual ;-) ciao, *luca* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank X. Cordero" Subject: Re: (kw) Curious Date: 04 May 2000 17:43:19 PDT Gunnar writes: I never had to click the Trash-button so often like today. Ain't that the truth......Speak and spell (a tired list topic), homophobia, and DerAutomat off topic payola tunes...... NP: "Trash Button" by Click 'n Delete ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Toby Cole" Subject: (kw) Online record library Date: 05 May 2000 08:09:49 +0100 Hi, Just a quick note to let people have a look at my up and coming AV Library that I'm thinking of doing for me and others to use... not strictly Kraftwerk related, but it does hold my current list of KW CD's plus other stuff, I'll be getting round to putting my list of vinyl on next week. Anyway, have a look at http://klingklang.dyndns.org/av/ (only available 18:00-00:00 M-F BST and 24hrs weekend) and let me know what you think. BTW... if you get an error, something might have gone terribly wrong so don't try too hard to get a look! Oh yeah, I posted that autobahn animation a couple of weeks ago... well some people have requested a larger version so I've put a version up that's about four times bigger in size...erm...dimensions... and the file size is about 20% bigger, or rather it would be if had all uploaded. Anyway, there's about three quarters of it there at the moment if anybody wants to take a look at http://www.btinternet.com/~t.o.b.y/content/video/kraftwerk/Autobahn_medium.m pg Cheers Toby Cole -- mobile e-mail : toby@locust.co.uk (max 800 chrs) e-mail : t.o.b.y@btinternet.com or toby@klingklang.co.uk tel : +44 (7968) 062 444 web : http://klingklang.dyndns.org or http://www.klingklang.co.uk icq : 26650852 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: R: (kw) Curious Date: 05 May 2000 11:52:20 +0200 ConnectFree wrote: > Calling someone a 'geek' via e-mail is oxymoronic. > The medium is the message, and speaks volumes about the sender. I think that using the word "oxymoron" is a pretty good symptom of geekism. I never use the word oxymoron myself. Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: RE: (kw) Kohoutek 2 Date: 05 May 2000 11:04:07 +0100 The faster version is very like Kometenmelodie II, only with a very 'muddy' sound quality and perhaps a bit too fast. I wonder if Conny Plank was absent from the Production duties at the time -- if so, then the Kohoutek / Kometenmelodie tracks hint at his contribution to Kraftwerk's sound. > ---------- > From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com > Sent: Friday, May 5, 2000 2:36 am > To: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (kw) Kohoutek 2 > > > I was finally able to down load Kohoutek 2 and I find it rather relaxing. > It's definitely mood muzik. > What is the faster version like? Or is there one? > > http://www.penguin.com ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Henrik Olsson" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in Camdentown ? Date: 05 May 2000 14:25:48 +0200 I was told that one could find numerous of Kraftwerk (among other artists, of course) bootlegs in a part of London called "Camdentown". Since I=B4m visiting London next week, I=B4d appreciate if anyone could confirm this, or provide som additional information. Feel free to mail me privately ! Thanks, Henrik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Curious Date: 04 May 2000 18:53:07 +0200 Marcello Di Sante wrote: > O.K., i'm curious, too... what about our beloved four guys ?? ... we don't > know so much about their private lives and sexual attitudes, here in Italy > ... Once again, it's not important, but curiosity is a feature of human > behaviour, why should we deny it ? FWIW, as far as I know Florian has a dark-haired girlfriend younger than him. I saw Herr Schneider in Zaragoza (1991) and Barcelona (1998) accompanied of this nice girl (she translated all of my questions into German to Florian). And I think he has been married in the past, because he has also a daughter. Nicolau Centola said the Florian's daughter came with him to Brazil in 1998 to see the concerts. As for Ralf Huetter, I'm not sure but think he lives with his parents. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Curious Date: 05 May 2000 09:31:35 EDT Good thing I have a sense of humor.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jerry Withers Subject: (kw) AmigaKRAFT Date: 05 May 2000 09:59:18 -0400 Hello, Check out my website. I am adding more Kraftwerk content now. It is however, ist under construction... Which website isn`t URL in sig.. Kind regards -- Jerry Withers SAP SD Consultant Only Amiga makes it possible! ICQ: 35448587 http://www.pompano.net/~amiga Software suppliers are trying to make their software packages more 'user-friendly'.... Their best approach, so far, has been to take all the old brochures, and stamp the words, 'user-friendly' on the cover. -- Bill Gates # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) Uncle Ralf Date: 05 May 2000 07:56:40 -0700 DER AUTOMAT >As for Ralf Huetter, I'm not sure but think he lives with his >parents. AFAIR he lives with his sister, and I'm willing to bet that he's already an uncle and that his nephew is a Skateboard addict. That will probably explain the reason behind Kling Klang offering one SB Roboter at their Konsum Product site. BTW, the Konsum Product link at KW's site, will not take you to Ticket World. If you want to see Kling Klang's KP, go to Ticket World updated site: http://www.ticketworld.de/cgi-bin/TicketWorld.storefront And click down below to the right... Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) the never-ending new album alerts Date: 05 May 2000 09:36:01 -0700 (PDT) >Quoted from Sideline magazine: >New Kraftwerk album According to Fiber Online http://www.uol.com.br/fiberonline/ the new Kraftwerk album is to be released on July 2nd 2000. It will be the first new album of the band since they released "Electric Cafe" 14 years ago. >DER AUTOMAT Considering the number of times we've had this "imminent" release announced over the years, I think you should consider your source. Is it really that likely, no offense intended, that a magazine quoting a Brazilian music news site is going to have definitive news regarding the upcoming activities of a reclusive German group? jmy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: (kw) Thank you for the pictures!!:-) Date: 05 May 2000 14:13:53 EDT Than you to all of you that sent me the KW photo's!!!!!!!:-)))). It show's that many of you are very considerate! I appreciate it! Is anybody else bidding on the speak and read, math and spell's at ebay? There's this guy that keeps out bidding me at the last 5 seconds of the auctions. It's very annoying! I think he now has about 2 speak& spells , 3or 4 speak & math's and 1 speak and read. It's quite sickening. Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: (kw) Yomo? Date: 05 May 2000 14:21:56 EDT Does anybody know , and I'm sure you do, if the Yomo CD is any good. I've been thinking about getting it. Does it sound anything like KW, Or is it much different? Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nitrous Subject: Re: (kw) Yomo? Date: 05 May 2000 14:36:54 -0400 If you mean Yamo ,Time pie I didn't like it at first but now it is one of my favorites. http://www.cyberden.com/cyberden/cleopatra/yamo/time_pie/time_pie.html Give that site a try for some samples. CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com wrote: > Does anybody know , and I'm sure you do, if the Yomo CD is any good. I've > been thinking about getting it. Does it sound anything like KW, Or is it much > different? > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Fluer in Hamburg Court today? Date: 05 May 2000 11:32:50 -0700 >It's, well, private stuff. It ranges from uninteresting and tasteless >to just uninteresting. Early on, something about WF masturbating as >a teenager (even if one doesn't consider it to be in bad taste, it's >still utterly inconsequential); later, mostly stuff about groupies. Why are Ralf and Florian upset that Wolfgang decided to share his masturbatory experiences with the world? Or does Wolfgang also speak about the sexual activities of the whole group? >Another low point are the pictures of the MB 600 - I can understand >that he had to recreate them for the book, but having a current-style >license tag with EU badge that makes it obvious how new the photo >is really shows too little attention to detail in a book where the >author can predict that all photos will be scrutinized due to their >rarity. What is the MB 600, a car? If so, why did they have to recreate photographs of a car? ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) Yamo Date: 05 May 2000 11:45:14 -0700 Christian wrote: >Does anybody know , and I'm sure you do, if the Yomo CD is any good. >I've been thinking about getting it. Does it sound anything like KW, Or is >it much different? Don't know much about Yomo... Yamo (on the other hand) is quite good. Time Pie grows on you, and that my friend, is undeniably Kraftwerkian. Buy it, you won't regret it. Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Yamo Date: 05 May 2000 14:48:09 EDT In a message dated 5/5/00 2:46:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ENRIQUEC@heraeusmtd.com writes: << Don't know much about Yomo... Yamo (on the other hand) is quite good. Time Pie grows on you, and that my friend, is undeniably Kraftwerkian. Buy it, you won't regret it. Enrique >> Thankx much! I'll give it a try!:-) Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Yomo? Date: 05 May 2000 11:45:34 -0700 >Does anybody know , and I'm sure you do, if the Yomo CD is any good. I've >been thinking about getting it. Does it sound anything like KW, Or is it much >different? Wolfgang Flur's group, Yamo (with an "a", btw), is electronic, as you might imagine. On the album "Time Pie," he performs most of the vocals himself. The melodies are vaguely Kraftwerk-sounding, as is the percussion, but the equipment and sounds used are a bit more conventional; modern keyboard patches. Consider Elektric Music's "Esperanto" album: It sounds as if it could have been the next Kraftwerk album after "The Mix". Yamo doesn't sound like it could be the next Kraftwerk album. Some of the songs are more, ah, "sensual" than anything KW has ever recorded... Whispered, breathy vocals over a slowly flowing soundscape. He uses weird and entertaining effects on the vocals; "Mosquito" is a great example, the vocal almost seems to shift pitches. The sound patches are often very bright and shimmery sounding, "Guiding Ray" is a good example of this. I like Yamo's "Time Pie" album, though. It's a good production and the songs are creative! ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Curious Date: 05 May 2000 23:06:01 +0200 On Wed, 3 May 2000 15:44:37 EDT, CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com wrote: > >I'm curious. I don't want to offend and it's not really important but am I >the only heterosexual on this mailing list? of course , not. !!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: (kw) 12" Expo 2000 Date: 06 May 2000 00:23:04 +0200 I just bought this 12" Vinyl of "Expo 2000" A1 Expo 2000 Kling Klang Mix 2002 5.36 B1 Expo 2000 Kling Klang Mix 2000 6.48 B2 Expo 2000 Kling Klang Mix 2001 6.50 Kling Klang Produkt 2000 12EM 562 LC 04513 ...is this the UK-release? Sorry if this has been posted already... Gruesse aus Wien, Georgie -- *-*-*- * "Wir sind die Roboter" + KRAFTWERK + http://www.kraftwerk.com * * EXPO 2000 + Mensch-Natur-Technik + http://www.expo2000.de * * * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) + ICQ: 53829477 * * http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ + phone/SMS: +436765621850 * *-*-*-* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vincent Smits" Subject: (kw) stockhausen/stockhousen Date: 05 May 2000 06:57:24 PDT Kraftwerk and stockhousen did play together in the beginning of the 70s. This info appeared a few years ago on this list. Maybe Klaus Zaepke can tell us more? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BenediktRochow@oaktech.com Subject: Re: (kw) Fluer in Hamburg Court today? Date: 05 May 2000 11:50:36 -0400 I wrote: >>>Some of the photos and erotic anecdotes in the book are seen as a >>>violation of Kraftwerk's privacy. Fluer plans to change these parts >>>for future editions of the book. >> >> And yet, those are the parts that everybody wants to read, especially >>those of us who have to wait for an English translation! >> >> So, German speakers on the list... Just what DOES Wolfgang say that >>violates Kraftwerk's privacy? Details, please... With photographs and >>schematics if necessary... >It's, well, private stuff. It ranges from uninteresting and tasteless >to just uninteresting. Early on, something about WF masturbating as >a teenager (even if one doesn't consider it to be in bad taste, it's >still utterly inconsequential); later, mostly stuff about groupies. >Again, utterly inconsequential, and it seems like just so much bragging. This is my commentary on what might be considered too private by R&F, and what I consider to be worthy of being removed from the book for the sheer embarrassment of reading the drivel - I have not idea what R&F are specifically complaining about, apart from the "destroying the legend" and "WF didn't invent the drumpad" and "WF didn't play drums on Autobahn" allegations that are rumoured to have been made. (Hm, my Autobahn cover shows WF and KB drumming. I guess R&F should take the slow train down to Cologne and complain to EMI Electrola.) Anyway, how much does the "El Senor Coconut" CD cost in Europe? How good is it, anyway? -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peder Livijn" Subject: Re: R: (kw) Curious Date: 05 May 2000 00:57:42 PDT Just to clearify; Someone wrote; >That is an even better question! I don't know any women that like >techno!(referring to KW, my comment) -kw DOES NOT (and let us hope, will never) play techno! /Peder ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Familie de Haan Subject: (kw) techno (was: Curious) Date: 06 May 2000 08:38:59 +0200 > From: "Peder Livijn" > Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 00:57:42 PDT > To: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: R: (kw) Curious > >> That is an even better question! I don't know any women that like >> techno!(referring to KW, my comment) > > -kw DOES NOT (and let us hope, will never) play techno! Depends on your definition of techno... "common"-German Techno is something completly differant to US-techno or English-techno... -- I don't do .INI, .BAT, or .SYS files. I don't assign apps to files... I don't configure peripherals or networks before using them... I have a computer to do all that... I have a Macintosh. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) stockhausen/stockhousen Date: 06 May 2000 09:00:00 +0000 > Kraftwerk and stockhousen did play together in the beginning of the 70s. > This info appeared a few years ago on this list. > Maybe Klaus Zaepke can tell us more? Thanks for the confidence, but all I can tell is that this is definitely not true. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Didi Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk in Camdentown ? Date: 06 May 2000 10:53:49 +0200 At 14.25 05/05/00 +0200, Henrik Olsson wrote: >I was told that one could find numerous of Kraftwerk (among other >artists, of course) bootlegs in a part of London called "Camdentown". >Since I=B4m visiting London next week, I=B4d appreciate if anyone could >confirm this, or provide som additional information.=20 >Thanks, >Henrik Hi Henrik, I've been in London at Camden Town just 2 months ago and.....YES!, Camden Town is the right place to find lots of bootlegs about KW. Prices are not so expensive. Go there on early morning, and visit Camden all day on sunday, you'll find a lot of amusement!!! Another good place is Portobello's market (I think on saturday morning). Hope this helps. Didi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Stockhausen at Barcelona Date: 06 May 2000 09:58:55 +0200 the new ROBOT voice ;-) wrote: > > BTW, apparently a concert was recorded in 1971 or 1972 by Karlheinz > > Stockhausen and Kraftwerk; the supposed album would include six tracks: > > three from > > Kraftwerk played by Stockhausen, and three from Stockhausen played by > > Kraftwerk. > > SORRY , BUT THIS ISN'T TRUE !!! ;-) BTW : CAN U PROVE IT ... SOMEHOW ??? ;-) Why isn't it true, can you prove it? :-P DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Curious Date: 06 May 2000 09:56:31 +0200 Frank X. Cordero wrote: > Ain't that the truth......Speak and spell (a tired list topic), homophobia, > and DerAutomat off topic payola tunes...... Off Topic??? Umm, let's see: - Stockhausen (one of the Kraftwerk's influences) is OT. - Rational Youth & Ikon (two bands influenced by Kraftwerk) are OT. - A tribute to Neu! (band of ex-Kraftwerk members) is OT. - Mirwais (an artist highly influenced by Kraftwerk) is OT. - Schneider's birthday is OT. ... Have I to continue? Payola?, do you mean brabe? I don't see the sense... If you refer to KWS and kwf.org subjects of my messages, they were just a joke, a wit. Well, you're right, homophobia is on-topic in here. Yes! ^_^ DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Senor Coconut Date: 06 May 2000 12:01:41 +0000 The June issue of the German magazine Keys features an interview with Senor Coconut aka Uwe Schmidt about his album of Kraftwerk cover versions. The article states June 19th as release date for the German edition of the album. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Farki Subject: Re: (kw) Senor Coconut Date: 06 May 2000 12:46:10 +0200 Hello, I thought I write some words about Senor Coconut (Uwe Schmidt). 31 years old german musician; he lives in Chile since 97. He started in 88, Until 93/94 he mostly played house/rave techno, and afterward=20 he had a short ambient/space period. He found his real individual=20 music-style in 94/95 (IMO). Hard to describe the music he play,=20 there are elements from glitchy electro to jazzy "hi-tech". He never uses pre-sets, all of his music are from samples. However his Kraftwerk-reworks Senor Coconut album "El Baile Aleman" sounds very acoustic, but the whole material assembled from samples. I have to mention his great humour. You just have to see the Senor Coconut CD artcover (or the whole Senor C. image). His most common pseudonyms are: Atom Heart and Lassigue Bendthaus, but there are countless other names. He made ca. 70 albums so far=20 including the collaboration works with Pete Namlook, Tetsu Inoue, Burnt Friedman (aka Nonplace Urban Field), Bill Laswell, Victor Sol, Haruomi Hosono (from YMO), Chris Watson (ex Cabaret Voltaire)... He also has own label: Rather Interesting. His extended dicography is here: http://www.hyperreal.org/music/artists/atom_heart/ I browsed the albums only: THE ENGINEERS LOVE : LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS (1988) MATTER : LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS (1991) CLONED : LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS (1992) REPETITIVE DIGITAL NOISE : i (1992) ATOM HEART v1 COMPILATION (1992) POD COMMUNICATION PRESENTS: ATOM HEART (1993) 684 : URBAN PRIMITIVISM (1993) DATACIDE : DATACIDE (1993) ACT : ATOMU' SHINZO (1993) COEUR ATOMIQUE : COEUR ATOMIQUE (OCT.1993) STEREOCOCKTAIL : LISA CARBON & FRIENDS (1993) EXPERIMENTAL POST TECHNO SWING : LISA CARBON AND FRIENDS (1993) EX.S : +N (1993) DATACIDE II : DATACIDE (JAN.1994) TINNED MUSIC : i (1994) ORANGE [MONOCHROME STILLS] : ATOM HEART (FEB.1994) LIVE AT SEL i/s/c : ATOM HEART (MAR.1994) PLANE : +N (MAY.1994) SOFTCORE : SOFTCORE (OCT.1994) POLYESTER : THE LISA CARBON TRIO (TEST LP. 1994)(1996) RENDER : LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS (1994) RENDER AUDIBLE U.S. REMIXES : LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS (1994) MORPHOGENETIC FIELDS : ATOM HEART (1994) HALOGRAMS : THE BITNIKS (1994) FLEXTONE : FLEXTONE (SEP.1994) DOTS : DOTS (1994) VERY SYNTHETIC VIRTUAL NOISE : VSVN (1994) AERIAL SERVICE AREA : AERIAL SERVICE AREA (FEB.1995) A.D. : ALMOST DIGITAL (1995) ACID-PIN-UP : STEVE STOLL / MIKE Mc COY (1995) FLOWERHEAD : DATACIDE (US CD. JUL.1996)(1995) INTERACTIVE MUSIC : INTERACTIVE MUSIC (1995) MU : MASTERS OF PSYCHEDELIC AMBIANCE (1995) JET CHAMBER : JET CHAMBER (JUL.1995) SEMIACOUSTIC NATURE : SEMIACOUSTIC NATURE (1995) SECOND NATURE : SECOND NATURE (US CD. APR.1996)(AUG.1995) B=FD : ATOM HEART = (1995) 60 : SILVER SOUND (1995) BINARY AMPLIFIED SUPER STEREO : BASS (OCT.30.1995) REAL INTELLIGENCE RATHER INTERESTING COMPILATION (NOV.12.1995) LIVE P@ : ATOM HEART (JAN.1996) MACHINE PAISLEY : MACHINE PAISLEY (FEB.1996) BROWN : BROWN (GER CD.repress OCT.1996)(APR.20.1996) JET CHAMBER II : JET CHAMBER (MAY.6.1996) TOKYO - FRANKFURT - NEW YORK : HAT (MAY.29.1996) MONO TM : MONO TRADEMARK (JUN.19.1996) MUSIC WITHOUT PURPOSE : ATOM HEART (AUG.20.1996) BUILT. : +N (SEP.11.1996) ONDAS : DATACIDE (JAP CD. JUN.26.1997)(OCT.1996) SHELLGLOVE : ATOM HEART (NOV.28.1996) REAL INTELLIGENCE II RATHER INTERESTING COMPILATION (NOV.1996) JET CHAMBER III : JET CHAMBER (JAN.6.1997) TRIO DE JANEIRO : LISA CARBON (FEB.1997) MICROPOSSESSED : ATOM HEART & EYEPHONE (FEB.1997) DIGITAL SUPERIMPOSING : SUPERFICIAL DEPTH (MAR.1997) El GRAN BAILE : SENOR COCONUT (MAY.1997) FONOSANDWICH : FONOSANDWICH (JUL.1997) PENTATONIC SURPRISE : THE ROGER TUBESOUND ENSEMBLE (SEP.1997) JET CHAMBER 4 : JET CHAMBER (FEB.16.1998) SCHNITTSTELLE : SCHNITTSTELLE (APR.1998) DSP-HOLIDAY : HAT (JUN.21.1998) NATURALIST : NATURALIST (JUL.17.1998) DROPSHADOW DISEASE : DROPSHADOW DISEASE (SEP.23.1998) REAL INTELLIGENCE III RATHER INTERESTING COMPILATION (DEC.1998) POP ARTIFICIELLE : LB (MAR.8.1999) DOS TRACKS : :) (APR.1999) TEMPLATES : FLANGER (JUN.15.1999) LIGHT MUSIC : ERIC SATIN (AUG.1999) El BAILE ALEMAN : SENOR COCONUT (1999) DESCARGAS : LOS SAMPLER'S (2000) JET CHAMBER 5 : JET CHAMBER (APR.2000) Recently some of his albums are available from EMusic, and there are many samples to listen/download there: http://www.emusic.com/labels/4180/ and http://emusic.listen.com/artdetail.jsp?artistid=3D18795 - Farki - At 12:01 2000.05.06. +0000, you wrote: > > >The June issue of the German magazine Keys features an interview=20 >with Senor Coconut aka Uwe Schmidt about his album of Kraftwerk=20 >cover versions.=20 >The article states June 19th as release date for the German edition=20 >of the album. > > Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) stockhausen Date: 06 May 2000 13:22:33 +0200 > Kraftwerk and stockhousen did play together in the beginning of the 70s. > This info appeared a few years ago on this list. They never played together. According to some interviews, Stockhausen knows the music of KW quite well, but he's not very enthusiastic about it. In the first place he reproaches KW for not doing what they could do. They're not really using their possibilities. By the way, there's a talk between Stockhausen and Bj=F6rk on http://www.stockhausen.org/bjork.html . As far as I remember, KW is mentioned in it. Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Tittl Subject: (kw) Russian Kraftwerk tribute Date: 06 May 2000 21:32:52 +1000 Found this from: side-line-news@shadow.side-line.com: Russian Kraftwerk tribute Not only the swedish and german labels head for coveralbum releases. In Russia the hype to get bands covered is also growing at fast speed. After the much acclaimed russian tribute to Depeche Mode released on a double album, we know have the ultra limited Kraftwerk tribute on Vasilisk records which was released on March 3rd, 2000. The album includes 10 dark wave ? body ? industrial bands from Moscow. The release was limited to 303 copies only. Vasilisk records is now preparing a two part Rusian industrial compilation which will appear at the beginning of June. More info is coming up. For more info, contact Denis V. But who is Denis V. ? Does anybody have this? BTW I have an Australian Tribute CD, some is great, some really bad, very funny! :-) Vladimir Tittl -- Uncompromised Hosting Solutions http://www.living-net.com mailto:vt@living-net.com phone (+61) 0500 575557 (normal charges) facsimile (+61) 03 5165 3463 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tjodolf Ulriksen" Subject: (kw) Yamo Date: 06 May 2000 08:25:58 -0700 I like the Yamo album a lot. Is it as good as Kraftwerk? Oh, who can compare the perfection of a diamond and the perfection of a rose? Which do you love more, the cold, brilliant perfection of the diamond, or the spontaneous, flowing perfection of the rose? The group albums are perfect like diamonds, while my solo albums are perfect like roses. I'm paraphrasing Jad Fair of Half Japanese here, but it's equally true in this case. I don't know if Wolfgang contributed to the backing tracks, but he's a great singer/ speaker; he sounds like a real eccentric. AM Support Team / PornIndustry.com / webmaster@pornindustry.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Martland" Subject: (kw) Camden Town Date: 06 May 2000 19:43:52 +0100 Henrik -and anyone else in London wanting KW boots or rarities should visit Sister Ray in Berwick Street Soho. They always have a good selection. Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Shilcock" Subject: (kw) Camden Town Date: 06 May 2000 23:39:50 +0100 Paul Martland wrote: >Henrik -and anyone else in London wanting KW boots or rarities should visit >Sister Ray in Berwick Street Soho. They always have a good selection. Sister Ray currently have a copy of that 4 x 12" box set (I believe with T-Shirt). It's been there for a while, hung on their wall. Probably because they're asking £500 for it! Keep Werking. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Huggy Bear" Subject: Re: (kw) Yomo? Date: 06 May 2000 08:02:31 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 2:21 PM > Does anybody know , and I'm sure you do, if the Yomo CD is any good. I've > been thinking about getting it. Does it sound anything like KW, Or is it much > different? It is definately different, but not necessairily bad. As far as "former Kraftwerk" goes, I prefer Elektric Music, and I did not like Yamo at first. It grows on you, though. I have a couple of Yamo songs on my FTP server at ftp://24.7.251.51 They are "Guiding Ray" and "Mosquito". See what you think, they are represenitive of what the Time Pie album is like. Huggy Bear # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jzurdo" Subject: (kw) ???!!!???Curious??!!! Date: 06 May 2000 13:44:20 +0200 Hey, I thought this was a music-based mailing list !!!! (I was wrong. . .) Don=B4t you think this is a ridiculous topic ??? Whe shouldn=B4t speak=B4n=B4spell about sexuality of KW members, i think we should speak about their music. . . Jzurdo. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Curious Date: 06 May 2000 13:09:15 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 9:56 AM > Frank X. Cordero wrote: > > > Ain't that the truth......Speak and spell (a tired list topic), > homophobia, > > and DerAutomat off topic payola tunes...... > > Off Topic??? > Umm, let's see: > - Stockhausen (one of the Kraftwerk's influences) is OT. > - Rational Youth & Ikon (two bands influenced by Kraftwerk) are OT. > - A tribute to Neu! (band of ex-Kraftwerk members) is OT. > - Mirwais (an artist highly influenced by Kraftwerk) is OT. > - Schneider's birthday is OT. > ... > > Have I to continue? > > Payola?, do you mean brabe? I don't see the sense... > > If you refer to KWS and kwf.org subjects of my messages, they were just a > joke, a wit. > > Well, you're right, homophobia is on-topic in here. Yes! > > ^_^ > DER AUTOMAT why do we care about what some jerks think is OFF TOPIK or not ??? btw : i'm OFF TOPIK as well , because i'm NOT a "real" ROBOT !!! *LOL* ;-))) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: R: (kw) Curious Date: 06 May 2000 10:43:32 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Cc: Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 11:52 AM > ConnectFree wrote: > > Calling someone a 'geek' via e-mail is oxymoronic. > > The medium is the message, and speaks volumes about the sender. > > I think that using the word "oxymoron" is a pretty good symptom of > geekism. I never use the word oxymoron myself. > > Rick Jansen > -- > Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ > email: rja@euronet.nl Oxymorons ... 47. Act naturally 46. Found missing 45. Resident alien 44. Advanced BASIC 43. Genuine imitation 42. Airline Food 41. Good grief 40. Same difference 39. Almost exactly 38. Government organization 37. Sanitary landfill 36. Alone together 35. Legally drunk 34. Silent scream 33. American history 32. Living dead 31. Small crowd 30. Business ethics 29. Soft rock 28. Butt Head 27. Military Intelligence 26. Software documentation 25. New York culture 24. New classic 23. Sweet sorrow 22. Childproof 21. "Now, then ..." 20. Synthetic natural gas 19. Passive aggression 18. Taped live 17. Clearly misunderstood 16. Peace force 15. Extinct Life 14. Temporary tax increase 13. Computer jock 12. Plastic glasses 11. Terribly pleased 10. Computer security 09. Political science 08. Tight slacks 07. Definite maybe 06. Pretty ugly 05. Twelve-ounce pound cake 04. Diet ice cream 03. Working vacation 02. Exact estimate ... & THE NO. 1 - TOP OXYMORON : 01. Microsoft Works ... or EVEN BETTER ( !? ;-) : >> NEW KW ALBUM OUT NOW !!! << *LOL* ;-))) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vincent Smits" Subject: Re: (kw) stockhausen/stockhousen Date: 06 May 2000 13:46:53 PDT > > Kraftwerk and stockhousen did play together in the beginning of > >the >70s. > > This info appeared a few years ago on this list. >Thanks for the confidence, but all I can tell is that this is >definitely not true. > Klaus Zaepke Okay I quess I made huge mistake, I apologise. Vincent ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Fluer in Hamburg Court today? Date: 06 May 2000 10:22:45 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 5:50 PM > (Hm, my Autobahn cover shows WF and KB drumming. I guess R&F should > take the slow train down to Cologne and complain to EMI Electrola.) well ... WHAT U SEE ON A COVER MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE THE SAME IN " REAL LIFE " !!! ;-) just a thought ... so what ??? ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Russian Kraftwerk Tribute Album? Date: 06 May 2000 09:00:00 +0000 Excerpt from the most recent Side-Line Newsletter: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- ********************************************************** SIDE-LINE NEWSLETTER 03/05/00 N=B039 http://www.side-line.com ********************************************************** [...] Russian Kraftwerk tribute Not only the swedish and german labels head for coveralbum releases. In Russia the hype to get bands covered is also growing at fast speed. After the much acclaimed russian tribute to Depeche Mode released on a double album, we know have the ultra limited Kraftwerk tribute on Vasilisk record= s which was released on March 3rd, 2000. The album includes 10 dark wave ? body ? industrial bands from Moscow. The release was limited to 303 copies only. Vasilisk records is now preparing a two part Rusian industrial compilation which will appear at the beginning of June. More info is comin= g up. For more info, contact Denis V. [...] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: R: (kw) Curious Date: 06 May 2000 10:27:42 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 9:57 AM > Just to clearify; > > Someone wrote; > >That is an even better question! I don't know any women that like > >techno!(referring to KW, my comment) > > -kw DOES NOT (and let us hope, will never) play techno! > > /Peder hm ? THAT'S JUST A QUESTION OF HOW U DEFINE THE GENRE "TECHNO" IN GENERAL !!! ;-) btw : DO U THINK THAT KW PLAY "ELECTRO" THEREFOR ??? ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Fluer in Hamburg Court Date: 06 May 2000 09:00:00 +0000 > From: BenediktRochow@oaktech.com > > >tasteless to just uninteresting. Early on, something about WF > >masturbating as a teenager (even if one doesn't consider it to be > >in bad taste, it's still utterly inconsequential); later, mostly > >stuff about groupies. Again, utterly inconsequential, and it seems > >like just so much bragging. > This is my commentary on what might be considered too private by > R&F, and what I consider to be worthy of being removed from the book > for the sheer embarrassment of reading the drivel - I have not idea what R&F > are specifically complaining about, Of course they do not complain about the masturbation scene, as this obviously doesn't affect *their* privacy. Two examples from the book were explicitely mentioned as a violation of Kraftwerk's privacy: 1) The series of photos showing Kraftwerk members naked in a garden. 2) The description of orgies in Florian Schneider's parents house. > apart from the "destroying the legend" That's no matter for the lawsuit. Even if Kraftwerk may not be very happy about it, it is not against the law to destroy legends. :-) > and "WF didn't invent the drumpad" and "WF didn't play drums on Autobahn" > allegations that are rumoured to have been made. These are not just rumours. Wolfgang Fluer travels through Germany doing lectures from the statement of claim, so this is well documented. > (Hm, my Autobahn cover shows WF and KB drumming. I guess > R&F should take the slow train down to Cologne and complain to EMI > Electrola.) The photo on the "Autobahn" re-release cover doesn't give a hint who recorded the track, as it is a concert photo, and not a photo from the recording session. It is out of question that Fluer played "Autobahn" live, the question is whether or not he played it on the record. > From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) > > No court order or any decisions has been passed, so there are no > consequences so far. Not quite. The court decision concerning Wolfgang Fluer's protest against the interim order against his book was due on May 2nd, so there should be a consequence by now. Does anyone know the result? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Stockhausen at Barcelona Date: 06 May 2000 13:00:59 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 9:58 AM > the new ROBOT voice ;-) wrote: > > > > BTW, apparently a concert was recorded in 1971 or 1972 by Karlheinz > > > Stockhausen and Kraftwerk; the supposed album would include six tracks: > > > three from > > > Kraftwerk played by Stockhausen, and three from Stockhausen played by > > > Kraftwerk. > > > > SORRY , BUT THIS ISN'T TRUE !!! ;-) BTW : CAN U PROVE IT ... SOMEHOW ??? > ;-) > > > Why isn't it true, can you prove it? > :-P > DER AUTOMAT YES INDEED !!! WHY ??? FLORIAN TOLD ME SO !!! ;-))) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: techno (was RE: R: (kw) Curious) Date: 06 May 2000 13:58:01 +0200 Peder Livijn wrote; > -kw DOES NOT (and let us hope, will never) play techno! You're right. They play Techno-pop. :-) DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: Women (was RE: (kw) Curious) Date: 06 May 2000 11:26:41 +0200 Miss Kittin, Mrs. Woods (aka Woodwork), Saskia Stegers (aka Miss Djax), Chantal, Miss Yetti, Riz Maslen (aka Neotropic & Fume), Bj=F6rk, Lady B (drag Lady Barbarella), Mayte Sanchez (aka DJ Mayte & Full Duplex)= , Laurie Anderson, Maxim Harvey (singer of KLF), Miquette Giraudy (from Sys= tem 7), Mary Hansen (from Stereolab), Anne Dudley (from Art Of Noise), Sarah Peacock (from Locust, The Siren and Scala), Claudia Br=F6ken (from Propaganda), Wendy Carlos, Natacha Atlas (from Trans-Global Underground), Alaska (from Fangoria), Alicia Willen (from Proyecto Mirage), Paris Grey (singer of Inner City), the wives of Lawrence Burden and Tommy Hamilton (= Aux 88), Anna Ramos, ... They all are known musicians. And AFAIK the greater part of them loves Kraftwerk. DER AUTOMAT ----- Original Message ----- > Great point! B.T.W. :HOW MANY GIRLS (OF COURSE ALL PRETTY, IT COULDN'T= BE > OTHERWISE HERE > !!!) ARE THERE ON THIS LIST) ? Techno_devoted woman are so rare in my > country !!!! More curiosity , EH EHE EHH !!! > That is an even better question! I don't know any women that like techn= o! > Does anybody know any pretty women that like KW? O.K. how bout any wome= n that > like KW? > Are there any women on other mail lists that like KW? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JL Jones" Subject: Re: R: (kw) Curious Date: 06 May 2000 10:20:51 -0400 Ok -- sure they don't.... oh no, especially not live, especially not on "The Mix" and they didn't lay the ground work for the evolotion of techno either... oh boy... /home/lunarpark-1/Jim J. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 3:57 AM > > Just to clearify; > > Someone wrote; > >That is an even better question! I don't know any women that like > >techno!(referring to KW, my comment) > > -kw DOES NOT (and let us hope, will never) play techno! > > /Peder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Camden Town Date: 07 May 2000 05:09:17 +0200 On Sat, 6 May 2000 19:43:52 +0100, Paul Martland wrote: > >Henrik -and anyone else in London wanting KW boots or rarities should visit >Sister Ray in Berwick Street Soho. They always have a good selection. They are also selling on the Web at www.sisterray.co.uk true,they have some KW boots. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Naoko Takeuchi Subject: (kw) New member Date: 06 May 2000 18:51:29 -0700 (PDT) I'm new in this list. My name is Shizuka, 25 years, Kraftwerk fan since 1992 when I listened to Radioactivity (The Mix version) in a rave. You guys were saying that here isn't any girl, so I'm here. Reading to Klaus' mail I find this very interesting: "The series of photos showing Kraftwerk members naked in a garden." Aren't any of you guys nice enough to send me a scan of it? PLEASE? *Heehee* :) Smell you guys later. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) Fluer in Hamburg Court Date: 07 May 2000 09:17:28 +0200 On the sleeve-backside of the old release (Philips 6305 231) (at least on that I have) is printed "Wolfgang Flür: Percussion" and his face appears also there (sitting on the back seat of a car) Gunnar > The photo on the "Autobahn" re-release cover doesn't give a hint who > recorded the track, as it is a concert photo, and not a photo from > the recording session. It is out of question that Fluer played > "Autobahn" live, the question is whether or not he played it on the > record. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary Pedoto" Subject: (kw) ahhh!!!!!!! Date: 07 May 2000 04:31:31 -0400 On Wed, 3 May 2000 15:44:37 EDT, CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com wrote: > >I'm curious. I don't want to offend and it's not really important but am I >the only heterosexual on this mailing list? Gary Pedoto replies: Wow...what the hell kind of question is that? I don't know where that came from but, are you under the impression that Kraftwerk is a homosexual group? That's a new one. Are you just trying to destroy their reputation with slurs? I sense an interloper trying to shatter the image of one of my favorite groups. Leave Kraftwerk alone and go listen to Elton John. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Fluer in Hamburg Court Date: 07 May 2000 12:53:12 +0000 > On the sleeve-backside of the old release (Philips 6305 231) (at least > on that I have) is printed "Wolfgang Fl=FCr: Percussion" The problem is that these credits don't specify individual track titles. It is unquestioned that he played drums on some tracks of the album, but it is unclear whether or not he contributed to the *track* "Autobahn". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) ahhh!!!!!!! Date: 07 May 2000 13:01:32 EDT In a message dated 5/7/00 4:35:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lpmj@worldnet.att.net writes: << Gary Pedoto replies: Wow...what the hell kind of question is that? I don't know where that came from but, are you under the impression that Kraftwerk is a homosexual group? That's a new one. Are you just trying to destroy their reputation with slurs? I sense an interloper trying to shatter the image of one of my favorite groups. Leave Kraftwerk alone and go listen to Elton John. >> If you would have seen, I think Thursdays E-mail from the list, You should be responding to that E-mail. I would send you a copy of that one but I already deleted it. He refered to the Heavy breathing in Tour De France being two guys screwing and also mentioned KW liking bike riders in a sexual way. I'm new to this list and when I saw that I was shocked that someone would write such trash on KW. I am not a homophobe but I disagree with it, not that I hate them but merly disagree with it. Sorry if you took it the wrong way. Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: (kw) Roskilde '98 (or My first KW experience) Date: 07 May 2000 23:33:02 +0200 (CEST) Hey there fellow KW'ers I think it's 'bout time I tell you about my first KW concert. As you should probably know by now, I saw them @ Roskilde Festival '98. Well, it was thursday and the clock showed 21.00. I had just been droppped off at the festival by my dad (I live in Roskilde) and was walking through the non-public area (I was 'werking' there, so I had acces) when I heard the opening of Numbers and a crowd that went crazy. Green Stage, a tent, can take 30.000 people, but I'd say that at least 5000+ were standing outside. I got inside through a hole in the side and positioned myself 5-6 meters from the stage, and I imidiantly noticed that the stage looked like something out of a spaceship. About then they faded into Computerworld, and then I noticed the text on the screens on the stage and in each side of the tent. 'FBI' and 'Scotland Yard' "Wow!", I thought. Then they went on to Man Machine, and imidianlty fell in love with the special graphc, where Man Machine was spelled vertically. Ahh, Tour de France, with all of the black/white films of riders walking/cycling up the mountains. I was looking at the stage when the crowd when bezerk! I looked at the screens, heard a car door slam and the blue/white Autobahn symbol appear on the screens. For the next couple of minutes I was fascinated with old footage of cars driving on the autobahn and highway patrol cameras showing cars and trucks passing by. "Chernobyl, now that's a name I know of", was my first thought as the text appeard on the screen along with some radioactivity symbols. Trans Europe Express with its train passing through Europe and it's symphony-like music style was also fascinating. I thought that the show was over when they pulled the curtains, but when the 4 members appeard on the front of the stage with what appeared to be remote controllers in their hand. Ralf, I think, was looking back to check on something, dunno what, but when they started people went crazy, again, again. After that performance the curtain was once again pulled, and when the stage was revealed it was empty except for 4 robots standing on top of the consoles. I found them cool, especialy the way the light was fixed on them. The last 2 songs were great too, but especially Music Non-Stop was special, because of the way it ended with each of the four members leaving, one after the other, and the slow fadeout of the song. So, when I went back out into the night, I knew that I had just experienced something special. When people asked me how the concert was, my only answer was: "It can't be explained. It has to be seen!" Later, I bought 'The Mix' and now, 2 years later, I own: 'Autobahn', 'Radioaktivität', 'Computerwelt'. 'The Mix'. Only the mix are the english version, the other are the german versions. Finding Kraftwerk CD's here in Denmark is difficult, as I only know 1 place they sell them. So I guess that I have to buy them online. Kaspar D. Larsen signing out. Oh yeah, back then I didn't know the various tracks, and I recall them by looking at their 'normal' tracklist from that tour. ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Få en gratis @yahoo.dk-adresse på http://mail.yahoo.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sam Brown" Subject: Re: (kw) ahhh!!!!!!! Date: 07 May 2000 14:51:20 GMT you say right: aaaahhhh!!! this email list is becoming stupid!!! sam >From: "Gary Pedoto" >To: >Subject: (kw) ahhh!!!!!!! >Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 04:31:31 -0400 > >Gary Pedoto replies: > >Wow...what the hell kind of question is that? I don't know >where that came from but, are you under the impression >that Kraftwerk is a homosexual group? That's a new one. >Are you just trying to destroy their reputation with slurs? >I sense an interloper trying to shatter the image of one >of my favorite groups. Leave Kraftwerk alone and go >listen to Elton John. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: (kw) Don't let it get you down!! Date: 07 May 2000 22:26:39 EDT you say right: aaaahhhh!!! this email list is becoming stupid!!! sam Alrighty Then!!!! What would you guys like to discuss? :-0 Don't let a few silly comments get you discouraged! What fresh topics are still out there to talk about? What have you always wanted to know about? O.K. everybody sing "CUM BYE YAH, CUM BYE YAH". Seriously, if you're board with it then make it interesting!!!!!!! Christian :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: FW: (kw) Yomo? Date: 08 May 2000 10:03:04 +0100 "Does anybody know , and I'm sure you do, if the Yomo [sic] CD is any good. I've > been thinking about getting it. Does it sound anything like KW, Or is it > much > different? > > Christian" > > > > Well I like it, but it reminds me more of Holger Czukay than Kraftwerk -- especially the vocal style. http://www.penguin.com ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: (kw) How to save some money Date: 08 May 2000 10:32:01 +0100 > John Shilcock wrote: "Sister Ray currently have a copy of that 4 x 12" box > set (I believe with T-Shirt). It's been there for a while, hung on their > wall. Probably because they're asking =A3500 for it!" >=20 >=20 > How to save at least =A3100:=20 >=20 > Buy the box set without t-shirt (currently valued around =A3350+ mint > condition) and order a black XL size 'roboter' t-shirt from the KW website > for DM45 (=A315?). >=20 > :) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 http://www.penguin.com ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: FW: (kw) Fluer in Hamburg Court today? Date: 08 May 2000 10:39:22 +0100 Benedict wrote: (Hm, my Autobahn cover shows WF and KB drumming. I guess R&F should take the slow train down to Cologne and complain to EMI Electrola.) That photo was first used on the mid-eighties reissue of the Autobahn album (1985?) when, I believe, R+F bought back ownership of the recordings from Phillips. At the time it was maybe 'politikally korrekt' [:)] to show the then current KW line-up (perhaps they might rewrite history again now that Bartos & Fluer are gone). http://www.penguin.com ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: (kw) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:47:14 +0100 Date: 08 May 2000 03:52:00 -0600 Klaus wrote: "Two examples from the book were explicitely mentioned as a violation of Kraftwerk's privacy: 1) The series of photos showing Kraftwerk members naked in a garden. 2) The description of orgies in Florian Schneider's parents house. In that case maybe Kraftwerk could write the new theme tune for Channel 4's 'Eurotrash' programme. http://www.rapido.co.uk/ http://www.penguin.com ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: FW: (kw) Fluer in Hamburg Court Date: 08 May 2000 11:06:03 +0100 > > On the sleeve-backside of the old release (Philips 6305 231) (at least > > on that I have) is printed "Wolfgang Fl=FCr: Percussion" >=20 Klaus wrote: > The problem is that these credits don't specify individual track=20 > titles.=20 > It is unquestioned that he played drums on some tracks of the album,=20 > but it is unclear whether or not he contributed to the *track*=20 > "Autobahn". >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 Well, listening to the style of the percussion, I would say that the last section of Autobahn was something different that KW had not done before and which for me is the first example of the classic Kraftwerk style. The percussion on Kometenmelodie sounds like some kind of automatic drum machine, but on Autobahn it seems to me to be played by a less than perfect drummer (there are a couple of slightly hesitant fills).=20 http://www.penguin.com ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) YAMO Date: 08 May 2000 09:09:23 -0400 Absoulutely, go buy "Time Pie". I wouldn't even call it the next best thing to KW, it is as good as their latter period work (which is very good, in my opinion). As for "Esperanto" sounding anything like KW, it sounds like OMD with a slight KW influence. So slight, in fact, it isn't even worth investigating. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Finarvas Subject: (kw) Drum Mistake in TEE? Date: 08 May 2000 16:29:17 +0200 Just while we're still on kw drums and such... Has anyone but me noticed this little "mistake"(?) in Trans-Europe Express? Seems like the drummachine drums "twice" one time. I've put up samples so you know what I'm babbling about; http://home.swipnet.se/finarvas/musik/tee1.mp3 http://home.swipnet.se/finarvas/musik/tee2.mp3 /Finarvas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) Stereomatic Date: 08 May 2000 07:51:25 -0700 Christian wrote: >Don't let a few silly comments get you discouraged! >What fresh topics are still out there to talk about? >What have you always wanted to know about? Well, how about discussing stereo systems and speakers? Which ones do you like better? Why? Which one gives you more bang for the money? I've always wandered about that... Enrique np: "GU 012 - Buenos Aires" Dave Seaman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Coen Rampen" Subject: RE: (kw) Drum Mistake in TEE? Date: 08 May 2000 17:37:19 +0200 Hey all, > Just while we're still on kw drums and such... > Has anyone but me noticed this little "mistake"(?) in Trans-Europe > Express? > Seems like the drummachine drums "twice" one time. Got another one: Europa Endlos/Europe Endless (2:44): wrong drum sound playing. Bet it's the old analog machinery. Greetz, Coen Rampen c.rampen@student.utwente.nl PS Anyone notice that Computerwelt 2 and Computer World 2 aren't the same? The last 15 seconds or so use different counting samples. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: FW: (kw) Fluer in Hamburg Court Date: 08 May 2000 17:41:48 +0200 On Mon, 8 May 2000 11:06:03 +0100, Richard Marston wrote: >Well, listening to the style of the percussion, I would say that the last >section of Autobahn was something different that KW had not done before and >which for me is the first example of the classic Kraftwerk style. The >percussion on Kometenmelodie sounds like some kind of automatic drum >machine, but on Autobahn it seems to me to be played by a less than perfect >drummer (there are a couple of slightly hesitant fills). I don't think KW used automatic drum machine / sequences before the T.E.E. album, except the very limited possibilities of the Farfisa organ. But percussions from this Farfisa organ are very recognisable anyway (KlingKlang, TanzMusik, some part of Autobahn, Airwave....) but certainly not on the KomentenMelodie 2 track where the rhythm is not very regular I think. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Stereomatic Date: 08 May 2000 17:49:26 +0200 On Mon, 8 May 2000 07:51:25 -0700, Enrique Correa wrote: >Which ones do you like better? Why? >Which one gives you more bang for the money? >I've always wandered about that... Very good question, I plan to replace my current stereo with a new one , plan to spend about $1500 on it... :-) And to stay on topic with this list, are there some Brands / models of Hifi speakers that give special good results for listening to KW music or electronic music in general? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Date: 08 May 2000 12:00:30 MDT Kraftwerk Fans...Hello...Senor Coconut y su conjunto: El Baile Aleman Kraftwerk Remixes cdr is available for exchange...Please email me your Kraftwerk/Electronic Music exchange list...Thank You... ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Henrik Olsson" Subject: (kw) Bartos plays in Arvika Date: 08 May 2000 20:25:58 +0200 Todays edition of the Stockholm based newspaper "Metro", reports that former member of Kraftwerk, Karl Bartos will play at the Arvika festival (in Sweden) on the 14-15th of July. "Metro" claims that mr Bartos will play both new songs, and old Kraftwerk classics ! / Henrik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: (kw) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 20:08:24 +0100 Date: 08 May 2000 13:10:53 -0600 > Arnauld wrote: And to stay on topic with this list, are there some Brands / models of Hifi speakers that give special good results for listening to KW music or electronic music in general? I like playing Kraftwerk very loud (like in their concerts) and with a very deep bass signal and so my 50 watt amplifier and large guitar amp size speakers suit me fine, but it really depends on the size/shape of the room and what type of music in general you will want to liesten to -- as well as the relationship you have with your neighbours. :) This place is good value for money: http://www.richersounds.co.uk/ (if you're not in the UK you can still use it to get info) http://www.penguin.com ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: RE: (kw) Drum Mistake in TEE? Date: 08 May 2000 12:13:58 -0700 >PS Anyone notice that Computerwelt 2 and Computer World 2 aren't the same? >The last 15 seconds or so use different counting samples. I've noticed that! It seems that there are little differences like that between their German and English versions of "Trans-Europe Express," "Man Machine," and "Computer World". There are additional lyrics in the song "Computerwelt" that don't appear in "Computer World". Some songs fade out sooner, or have slightly different instrument sounds or mixing techniques. I read an interview in Keyboard magazine from the 80's, in which Kraftwerk say that they don't do very many overdubs of their songs; they just start up all the machines and record it all in one take. Perhaps they did a new performance for each different language. That would certainly explain the anomolies! I like the subtle differences. It makes it fun to own both versions of the albums! ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Finarvas Subject: Re: (kw) Stereomatic Date: 08 May 2000 22:04:50 +0200 Arnaud de Bonald wrote: > On Mon, 8 May 2000 07:51:25 -0700, Enrique Correa wrote: > > >Which ones do you like better? Why? > >Which one gives you more bang for the money? > >I've always wandered about that... > Hmm i dont like loudspeakers, i prefer headphones Sennheiser (deutsche qualit=E4t :-) and sony's are nice... /Finarvas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: (kw) ICQ Numbers Date: 08 May 2000 22:11:04 +0200 (CEST) Well, I don't know if this subject has been called for earlier, but I must ask out: Does any of you have an ICQ numbers, and if so: What is it? That way, I think, we can move tis mailinglist one step up the ladder. Kaspar D. Larsen aka. Dr.Who? ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Få en gratis @yahoo.dk-adresse på http://mail.yahoo.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Shilcock" Subject: (kw) And now for something completely different Date: 08 May 2000 21:16:17 +0100 Sticking to all things Kraftwerk I'd like to introduce you, list members, to my new Kraftwerk related Web Site. It's at http://freespace.virgin.net/john.dawn/KeepWerk/index.htm What's different about it?.... well you wont have seen it before... it'll have pictures you wont have seen at all... well go and have a look... please... Some highlights are a Kraftwerk Font... Mix Wingdings and Kraftwerk and you'll know what I mean... oh yes there's a screen saver too.. For the collectors I've included my collection (600+ items) for you to peruse.. if there is anything that catches your eye and you want to know more, just drop me a line... and please feel free to sign the guest book... I've also produced several covers / 'inspired by' MP3s that you are free to download. So all in all there should be something for everyone. Thank you for your attention John Keep Werking # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Coen Rampen" Subject: (kw) New book + CD? Date: 08 May 2000 23:34:23 +0200 Hey list, Just got this from Groove Unlimited (www.groove.nl): 43420 Kraftwerk - A SHORT INTRODUCTION TO KRAFTWERK (CD) 7 tr. CD with prev. unreleased alternate takes and 84 page book. Rel.date: t.b.a. New entry. US$ 17.25 / DM 40 / EURO 20.25 Does anyone now anything about this? Greetz, Coen Rampen c.rampen@student.utwente.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peder Livijn" Subject: Re: R: (kw) Curious Date: 08 May 2000 00:34:57 PDT Hello >hm ? THAT'S JUST A QUESTION OF HOW U DEFINE THE GENRE "TECHNO" IN GENERA= L -No, not really. I understand that the genre Techno nowadays spans a much= =20 broader field of musical acts than a couple of years ago, but the fact=20 remains that Techno is still a type of dance music, especially written to= be=20 just that - danceable. Kraftwerk however have so many more levels in thei= r=20 music than that, so to say that KW plays Techno is an insult to KW, i thi= nk >!!! ;-) >btw : DO U THINK THAT KW PLAY "ELECTRO" THEREFOR ??? ;-) Nope, i=B4d say that KW plays synthie-pop, synthpop or whatever you call = it in=20 your country, in Sweden we call it synthpop, or just plain synth, which i= =20 think is the best description /Peder ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Shilcock" Subject: (kw) Something Different Date: 08 May 2000 09:11:16 BST Want something different? Watch this space John Keep Werking ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin Rundqvist Subject: (kw) Karl Bartos appear at the Arvika Festival in Sweden this summer Date: 08 May 2000 08:20:58 +0200 (MET DST) http://www.galaxen.se/program.shtml?artist=3D30 Swedish newspaper "Metro (www.metro.se) says "Both new songs and Kraftwerk-Classics are promised" Other dudes that will appear: Covenant Einst=FCrzende Neubauten Laibach etc. Check out http://www.galaxen.se/index2.shtml /Roboten http://average.nu/roboten http://www.kraftwerk.org # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andréas Hagström" Subject: (kw) Bartos at Arvika Date: 08 May 2000 02:58:45 PDT Bartos will performe at the Festival at Arvika in Sweden. According to th= eir=20 homepage he will play both his solocompositions and acts from his time in= =20 Kraftwerk. http://www.galaxen.se/program.shtml?artist=3D30 /Andr=E9as ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) ahhh!!!!!!! Date: 08 May 2000 03:12:49 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 4:51 PM > you say right: aaaahhhh!!! > this email list is becoming stupid!!! > > sam *ROTFLOL* ;-))) well ... a guy who gave himself an e-mail addy such as really thinks that " this email list is becoming stupid!!! " ??? *LOL* ;-))) btw : IS THIS THE HURMORLESS LIST OF KW FANATICS OR WHAT ??? :-/ shame on those of u who can't or won't enjoy some jokes - even if they r way OFF TOPIK !!! :-/ PLEASE , DON'T PRETEND 2 BE " OH SO SERIOUS !!! " ;-) however ... many greetinx from a really *funny* guy from northern germany called micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: FW: (kw) Fluer in Hamburg Court Date: 08 May 2000 18:26:49 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 5:41 PM > I don't think KW used automatic drum machine / sequences before the T.E.E. album, except the very limited possibilities of the Farfisa organ. > But percussions from this Farfisa organ are very recognisable anyway (KlingKlang, TanzMusik, some part of Autobahn, Airwave....) > > but certainly not on the KomentenMelodie 2 track where the rhythm is not very regular I think. hm ? well ... DID U NOTICED THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF DRUM MACHINES / SEQUENCERS - EXCEPT THIS FARFISA 1 ! - BUILD & USED IN THE 70S ??? *justcurious* ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dirk jan müller" Subject: (kw) Neue Version-remixes Date: 08 May 2000 12:30:55 CEST Hello all list members, I think you remember my mail concerning the "bootleg" NEUE VERSION with t= he=20 remixes I did. (Which is actually NO bootleg, it was only a CD-R, which I= =20 sent to someone in the USA) Now I found out, that some people sell CD-R=B4s of them, burnt from bad-c= opied=20 MP3 files. I recommend to everybody NOT to buy these CD-R=B4s. I didn=B4t want to make any profit out of these remixes and it=B4s not fa= ir,=20 that others do. In the near future I will make the remixes able to download on my homepag= e=20 for free. In the meantime I think you free download them anywhere in the net. Don=B4= t=20 ask me where. I think Mike Pitt had them on his page, but not anymore... thanks and greetings from Germany Dirk ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andréas Hagström" Subject: (kw) Thaemlitz etc Date: 08 May 2000 04:29:11 PDT Some days ago I wrote a mail about Terre Thaemlitz homepage and his album= =20 "The roboter rubato". The reaction from this forum wasnt what I excpected= =20 when I wrote my mail. When I talked about the queernes of Kraftwerk I wasnt talking about R&Fs=20 sexuall preferences, I couldnt care less. I was trying to start a=20 conversation about the influence that Kraftwerk has got from the gayscen = and=20 how the gayscen has been influenced by them. It is wellknowned that Kraftwerk was influenced by the two homosexual art= ist=20 Gilbert & George and their performance about gender and social structure.= =20 The idea of dressing up in conservative costumes and have their hair trim= ed=20 instead of the early hippestile they had on Autobahn is defenatly an=20 influence from Gilbert & George. This shows That R&F are fare more open=20 minded than alot of the MWM on this mailinglist. A feministic gender perspective is easy to apply on alot of the lyrics fr= om=20 the Man Machine album, ComputerWorld and Electric Caf=E9. The homophobic outrage that we has seen on the mailinglist these last day= s=20 is a shame! /Andr=E9as ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Essential New Kraftwerk Release Date: 08 May 2000 15:23:47 +0200 Quoted from Music Non Stop Sales : Today MNS can bring you news of a fantastic new Kraftwerk release. KRAFTWERK - A SHORT INTRODUCTION TO KRAFTWERK CD / BOOK =A315.99 Please note that this is an OFFICIAL release. Produced by Sonic Books who are personal friends with Kraftwerk. Ralf & Florian allowed this release to happen as all the tracks (original recordings) on the CD are over 20 years old, hence the copyright is no longer with EMI, but with the band members themselves. For the first time in the 30 years of KRAFTWERK history, this CD offers p= re- viously unreleased NEW version of 7 Kraftwerk classics, never before hear= d on any album or compilation! 45 minutes of EXCLUSIVE versions of timeless classics. The CD opens with a 3.38-minutes harder and more rhythmic versi= on of 'It's More fun to compute', originally recorded for a planned 12" in 1981, but never released. It is followed by a 1990 re-recording of 'Kristallo', a track from legendary 3rd Kraftwerk-LP 'Ralf & Florian' (ne= ver released on CD). Kraftwerk were working on this version for a possible release on the '91 cd 'The Mix', but the track remained unfinished and ca= n be heard on this CD for the first time. The following 6 mins. 31' version= of 'Autobahn' was another early study for a re-make, intended for 'The Mix' = and is completely different from both official versions, although the lead vocals are missing. The very short version of 'Hall of Mirrors' (2.36) da= tes back to 1976 and is a demo-version of the song, later released on 'Trans Europe Express'. It follows an all new instrumental version of 'Radioactivity', that has not much in common with the official version or Kevorkian's remix on the single of 1991. Quite minimal, very rhythmic and atmo-spheric at the same time! 'Uranium' was a short track on 1975's 'Radioactivity' album here included in a completely re-recorded, much lon= ger (7.09) and different version, originally planned for 'The Mix', but never released. 'Das Model' finally is included in an early demo-version from l= ate 1977. It was to become Kraftwerk's biggest hit so far a few years later, when it was re-released as a single in 1981. The 88 pages booklet in CD-s= ize offers a short introduction to the great maestros of the 'Electronic Orde= r' who founded in the early 70ies became a school which was to produce noteworthy heirs all over the planet: From the Human League to Depeche Mo= de, from The Chemical Brothers to the last techno heroes of our days. Unforgotten and adored by the public, musicians and critics alike, they h= ave just returned after years of silence (their last official album dates bac= k to 1986!) with the new single 'Expo 2000', showing that Ralf H=FCtter and Florian Schneider are here to stay for the third millenium, too. The Book= let includes the band-history, excerpts from Interviews and full discography including promo-only releases, bootlegs etc.etc. End of quote. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Essential New Kraftwerk Release Date: 09 May 2000 08:40:04 +0200 This is great news! I don't care much for the booklet, but a remake of Kristallo! I sure got to get this straight away! If the version of 'It's More fun to compute' is like on some of the -81 live versions, it'll sure be one of my favourites! /Joakim -----Original Message----- ...more rhythmic version of 'It's More fun to compute', originally recorded for a planned 12" in 1981, but never released. It is followed by a 1990 re-recording of 'Kristallo'... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) Thaemlitz etc Date: 09 May 2000 09:34:13 +0200 "Andr=E9as Hagstr=F6m" wrote: >=20 > It is wellknowned that Kraftwerk was influenced by the two homosexual a= rtist > Gilbert & George and their performance about gender and social structur= e. Ah, yes, this probably inspired Showroom Dummies: "We're standing here, exposing ourselves" =20 Rick Jansen __ rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Thaemlitz etc Date: 09 May 2000 08:58:13 EDT In a message dated 5/8/00 9:00:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, drellah@hotmail.com writes: << It is wellknowned that Kraftwerk was influenced by the two homosexual artist Gilbert & George >> It is? How did you find this out? Was this in an article or book? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Essential New Kraftwerk Release Date: 09 May 2000 09:00:24 EDT In a message dated 5/8/00 9:00:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 automat@offcampus.net writes: <<=20 KRAFTWERK - A SHORT INTRODUCTION TO KRAFTWERK CD / BOOK =A315.99 >> Where can this be ordered???? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: e6811068@meiga.fib.upc.es Subject: (kw) KW's in the air Date: 09 May 2000 15:00:32 +0100 Yes, KW is all around. Just hear the "Electro Megamix" by Dynamix II (the whole album is full of kraftwerkian reminiscences) and the song called "Needle Damage" by Auto Repeat (I found it on the comp called "The state of e:motion" volume 6) . This last song is like a techno-house interpretation of Computer World, and it 's not a good song, just curious. Auto-Ivahn. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Storey" Subject: (kw) new KW release Date: 10 May 2000 04:38:51 -0400 Can someone please tell me where on the net I can purchase the new KW recording, at a reasonable price with shipping to Australia. Many Thanks Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Essential New Kraftwerk Release Date: 09 May 2000 21:01:36 +0200 On Mon, 8 May 2000 15:23:47 +0200, Der Automat wrote: >The Booklet >includes the band-history, excerpts from Interviews and full discography >including promo-only releases, bootlegs etc.etc. Strange R & F did agree to include bootlegs informations in an official KW booklet.... What do you think? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Coen Rampen" Subject: RE: (kw) Essential New Kraftwerk Release Date: 09 May 2000 21:51:25 +0200 > >The Booklet > >includes the band-history, excerpts from Interviews and full discography > >including promo-only releases, bootlegs etc.etc. > > Strange R & F did agree to include bootlegs informations in an > official KW booklet.... > > What do you think? Yeah, that surprised me. I'll believe it when I see it... Greetz, Coen Rampen c.rampen@student.utwente.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: (kw) Wolfgang Fluer Date: 09 May 2000 23:27:19 +0200 (CEST) Well, for those of you who are dscussing when Wolfgang Fluer started drumming in Kraftwerk, I can now inform you that it was at least around 1975, when Kraftwerk was hitting with 'Autobahn'. I have recording of a BBC show called 'Tommorows World', which features Kraftwerk playing a bit of 'Autobahn'. And Wolfgang is drumming away on his synthetic drums.. And I forgot mention: My UIN# is 73447429 Kaspar D. Larsen aka. Dr.Who? ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Få en gratis @yahoo.dk-adresse på http://mail.yahoo.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Essential New Kraftwerk Release Date: 09 May 2000 17:56:44 -0700 >Produced by Sonic Books who are personal friends with Kraftwerk. Ralf & >Florian allowed this release to happen as all the tracks (original >recordings) on the CD are over 20 years old, hence the copyright is no >longer with EMI, but with the band members themselves. Wait a minute. All the tracks are over 20 years old, and yet a lot of it is described as being material from "The Mix" era! Well, I'll believe it when I see it. But wow, a new recording of "Kristallo", and a 7:09 minute version of "Uranium"? Over seven minutes? My goodness. I love that 1981 tour version of "It's More Fun To Compute"--- a studio recording would sound fantastic! I hope this isn't a hoax! ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Drum Mistake in TEE? Date: 09 May 2000 15:01:28 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 9:13 PM > I like the subtle differences. It makes it fun to own both versions of > the albums! > > ---Jason well ... kw were always very clever with their " marketin' strategies " , eh ?!?!?! ;-))) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alan Morrison Subject: (kw) new KW cd-book Date: 09 May 2000 15:33:10 +0100 (BST) Saw this on the 313 Detroit list, and naturally thought of you all... New Kraftwerk Annoucement Hi all Today MNS can bring you news of a fantastic new Kraftwerk release. KRAFTWERK - A SHORT INTRODUCTION TO KRAFTWERK CD / BOOK =A315.99 Please note that this is an OFFICIAL release. Produced by Sonic Books who are personal friends with Kraftwerk. Ralf & Florian allowed this release to happen as all the tracks (original recordings) on the CD are over 20 years old, hence the copyright is no longer with EMI, but with the band members themselves. For the first time in the 30 years of KRAFTWERK history, this CD offers pre= - viously unreleased NEW version of 7 Kraftwerk classics, never before heard on any album or compilation! 45 minutes of EXCLUSIVE versions of timeless classics. The CD opens with a 3.38-minutes harder and more rhythmic version of 'It's More fun to compute', originally recorded for a planned 12" in 1981, but never released. It is followed by a 1990 re-recording of 'Kristallo', a track from legendary 3rd Kraftwerk-LP 'Ralf & Florian'. Kraftwerk were working on this version for a possible release on the '91 cd 'The Mix', but the track remained unfinished and can be heard on this CD fo= r the first time. The following 6 mins. 31' version of 'Autobahn' was another early study for a re-make, intended for 'The Mix' and is completely different from both official versions, although the lead vocals are missing= =2E The very short version of 'Hall of Mirrors' (2.36) dates back to 1976 and i= s a demo-version of the song, later released on 'Trans Europe Express'. It follows an all new instrumental version of 'Radioactivity', that has not much in common with the official version or Kevorkian's remix on the single of 1991. Quite minimal, very rhythmic and atmo-spheric at the same time! 'Uranium' was a short track on 1975's 'Radioactivity' album here included i= n a completely re-recorded, much longer (7.09) and different version, originally planned for 'The Mix', but never released. 'Das Model' finally i= s included in an early demo-version from late 1977. It was to become Kraftwer= k 's biggest hit so far a few years later, when it was re-released as a singl= e in 1981. The 88 pages booklet in CD-size offers a short introduction to the great maestros of the 'Electronic Order' who founded in the early 70ies became a school which was to produce noteworthy heirs all over the planet: >From the Human League to Depeche Mode, from The Chemical Brothers to the last techno heroes of our days. Unforgotten and adored by the public, musicians and critics alike, they have just returned after years of silence (their last official album dates back to 1986!) with the new single 'Expo 2000', showing that Ralf H=FCtter and Florian Schneider are here to stay fo= r the third millenium, too. The Booklet includes the band-history, excerpts from Interviews and full discography including promo-only releases, bootleg= s etc.etc. We shall have this item in stock and shipping at the start of next week, so pre-order now! More rare KW items coming soon. All the best Phil MNS Postage rates :- UK 1st 7"/12"/LP/CD =A31.25 + 50p thereafter. Europe x2 UK rate, US and Canada x3 UK Rate, Rest of World x4 UK rate.MNS will advise shipping costs for box sets/memorabilia etc. Optional registered / insured shipping is available at an extra cost of =A33.50. All payments to 'Music Non Stop Ltd. All above prices are in UK British Pounds To order: Tel/Fax: UK +44(0) 1905 773549 Mon-Thur : 10am - 8pm (UK) Friday : 10am - 6pm (UK) (24hr Answer Phone) Email: sales@music-non-stop.co.uk Secure online ordering: http://www.music-non-stop.co.uk Write to : Music Non Stop Limited PO Box 248 Worcester WR2 5ZG If you wish to receive any earlier newsletters then please email us your request. If you wish to be removed from our mailing list then please send an email t= o the address above. -------------------------- Cheers, Alan Morrison alan.morrison@oucs.ox.ac.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Sundkvist" Subject: Re: (kw) Stereomatic Date: 09 May 2000 12:17:42 CEST >And to stay on topic with this list, are there some Brands / models of Hifi >speakers that give special good results for listening to KW music or >electronic music in general? Well, it depends on how much money you want to spend. If want some cheap but powerful speakers you should buy Genexxa Gx1000: Twin 10", 300 watt, around 250 US dollars. I use those speakers together with a Sony DE-435, a cheap homecinema receiver (5x100 watt, 350 US $). I have played a lot of KW records with this and it sounds very good. The speakers gives a very clear sound, but also much bass. But if you have much money (around 1500$) you should spend them on some Yamo Loudspeakers. Almost every Yamo model sounds very good. What did Wolfgang name his band after? Was it maybe the speakers? If so, I must say that he has good taste :) /Erik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: (kw) Outburn? Date: 09 May 2000 06:24:01 GMT I had a mail from cdzone asking me if I wanted a Kraftwerk CD called Outburn. I don't know if I want i or not - I would assume initially that no, I don't want it, but I may do... Does anyone know what is on it? Once I know I can better evaluate it's value to me. Piles of thanx in advarnc ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: Re: (kw) Essential New Kraftwerk Release Date: 09 May 2000 06:53:36 GMT >Quoted from Music Non Stop Sales : >Today MNS can bring you news of a fantastic new Kraftwerk release. >KRAFTWERK - A SHORT INTRODUCTION TO KRAFTWERK CD / BOOK =A315.99 >Please note that this is an OFFICIAL release. Anyone seen this on-the-shelves for sale in Germany? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Promo CD Mannheim 97 Bootleg?? Date: 09 May 2000 23:38:02 -0400 A freind of mine picked up this set of mp3's off a site.. Is this a Bootleg? or is it a fabrication of Live tracks from the 98 Shows? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Essential New Kraftwerk Release Date: 09 May 2000 18:22:50 +0000 Der Automat wrote: >=20 > Quoted from Music Non Stop Sales : >=20 > Today MNS can bring you news of a fantastic new Kraftwerk release. >=20 > KRAFTWERK - A SHORT INTRODUCTION TO KRAFTWERK CD / BOOK =A315.99 Thanks for the news. This info is also at the MNS website at http://www.music-non-stop.co.uk/acatalog/MNS_Online_Catalogue_Kraftwerk_240= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: R: (kw) Curious Date: 09 May 2000 20:01:18 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 9:34 AM > Hello hi peder ! >> hm ? THAT'S JUST A QUESTION OF HOW U DEFINE THE GENRE "TECHNO" IN GENE= RAL > -No, not really. I understand that the genre Techno nowadays spans a mu= ch > broader field of musical acts than a couple of years ago, YEAH !!! U'VE GOT THE POINT !!! ;-) THAT'S ABSOLUTE "KORREKT" !!! ;-) > but the fact remains that Techno is still a type of dance music, especially written to be > just that - danceable. hm ? well ... THAT INSISTS THAT U THINK KW IS "UN-DANCEABLE" OR WHAT ??? *curious* > Kraftwerk however have so many more levels in their music than that, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH U IN THAT DIRECTION !!! ;-) > so to say that KW plays Techno is an insult to KW, i think I DIDN'T SAY THAT !!! BUT "TECHNO" 2 ME IS BASICALLY BASED ON WHAT WAS INVENTED IN THE LATE 80S & EARLY 90S IN DETROIT ( THEREFOR " DETROIT TECH= NO " ! ;-) / BERLIN ( THE MORE HARD EDGED STYLE OF "TECHNO" ! ;-) & FRANKFUR= T AM MAIN ( THE MORE "TRANCE" STYLE OF "TECHNO " ! ;-) !!! KW THEREFOR INVENTED "TECHNO-POP" IN 1983 OR 1986 ... WHICH JUST BELONGS 2 YOUR POINT= OF VIEW SO FAR !!! ;-) >> btw : DO U THINK THAT KW PLAY "ELECTRO" THEREFOR ??? ;-) > Nope, i=B4d say that KW plays synthie-pop, synthpop or whatever you cal= l it in > your country, in Sweden we call it synthpop, or just plain synth, which= i > think is the best description well ... i really dunno if "synth(pop)" is an equivalent description of k= w's musical style in any way !!! :-/ depeche mode / yazoo / erasure & groups like this play "synth(pop)" i suppose , but kw ??? *evenmorecurious* I PERSONALLY THINK THAT KW MADE THEIR STATEMENT ABOUT THEIR STYLE WITH TH= E DESCRIPTION OF THEIR 1986 RELEASED ALBUM " ELECTRIC CAFE " WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED 2 BE RELEASED AS " TECHNO-POP " BACK IN 1983 !!! ;-) anyway ... ... & no matter what others might think : 2 me kw r the "real" inventors = of the whole genre called "electro" way back in the 70s !!! ;-) > /Peder however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Essential New Kraftwerk Release Date: 10 May 2000 03:26:21 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 2:56 AM > >Produced by Sonic Books who are personal friends with Kraftwerk. Ralf & > >Florian allowed this release to happen as all the tracks (original > >recordings) on the CD are over 20 years old, hence the copyright is no > >longer with EMI, but with the band members themselves. > > Wait a minute. All the tracks are over 20 years old, and yet a lot of > it is described as being material from "The Mix" era! > > Well, I'll believe it when I see it. But wow, a new recording of > "Kristallo", and a 7:09 minute version of "Uranium"? Over seven minutes? > My goodness. > > I love that 1981 tour version of "It's More Fun To Compute"--- a studio > recording would sound fantastic! > > I hope this isn't a hoax! > > ---Jason well ... just check out this link & find out more about it : http://www.music-non-stop.co.uk/acatalog/MNS_Online_Catalogue_Kraftwerk_240. html however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar R Johansson Subject: (kw) Bootlegs Date: 09 May 2000 21:09:14 +0200 >Strange R & F did agree to include bootlegs informations >in an official KW booklet.... > >What do you think? I guess that R & F think bootlegs are ok, more or less. I have seen Ralf sign a whole collection of bootlegs at a press-meeting in 1991. And it was with a big robot-smile :) /gunnar # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: (kw) Re: Wolfgang Fluer Date: 10 May 2000 09:42:32 +0200 (CEST) No, I can see that, but someone calimed that the new 'Autobahn' release where WF was shown on the back was released on the back, thus concluding that he didn't join them untill the 1980's Kaspar D. Larsen aka. Dr.Who? ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Få en gratis @yahoo.dk-adresse på http://mail.yahoo.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas Helvard" Subject: (kw) New Member Date: 10 May 2000 10:40:41 +0200 Hi All! My name is Thomas and I just joined this list. I'm 22 years old and live in Copenhagen, Denmark. I've been interested in Kraftwerk since i was a kid, and have almost every album. My biggest Kraftwerk experience? Live at Roskilde Festival '98....F***'ing amazing! My other musical interests include (but not limited to) The KLF, Chemical Brothers, Jean Michel Jarre. - Thomas -------------------- e-mail: cyberdyne_inc@hotmail.com web: http://skynet.person.dk (K) 2000 All Rites Reversed ICQ : 49985112 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas Helvard" Subject: Re: (kw) Wolfgang Fluer Date: 10 May 2000 10:51:10 +0200 This clip can also be found on: http://website.lineone.net/~mike.pitt/tdkmov.htm - Thomas -------------------- e-mail: cyberdyne_inc@hotmail.com web: http://skynet.person.dk (K) 2000 All Rites Reversed ICQ : 49985112 . I have recording of a BBC > show called 'Tommorows World', which features > Kraftwerk playing a bit of 'Autobahn'. And Wolfgang is > drumming away on his synthetic drums.. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: Techno (was R: (kw) Curious) Date: 10 May 2000 14:59:59 +0200 Peder Livijn wrote: > Nope, i=B4d say that KW plays synthie-pop, synthpop or whatever you cal= l it in > your country, in Sweden we call it synthpop, or just plain synth, which= i > think is the best description Quote: "You can define it as you want; sci-fi music, techno-disco, cybernetic rock. But the term I prefer even so is robot pop. It fits in with our objective which consists of working without respite toward the construction of the perfect pop song for the tribes of the global village". Ralf Huetter. (Quoted from the Pascal Bussy's book Man, Machine and Music). DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Der MaschinenMensch Date: 10 May 2000 14:22:12 +0200 Yesterday I bought Der MaschinenMensch (Die Megajam), this is one the worst Kraftwerk remix records I've ever purchased. The mixes are tasteless and techniqueless. It's better this dude, DJ 7 Up, go in for another thing than to remix (or mix) records, specially the Kraftwerk's. The sound quality is the worst I heard in the last years. He has recorded this remixes from the vinyls but he hasn't clean them before. I recommend you DON'T BUY IT! It's horrible. This is a brutal assassination of the Kraftwerk's music. The countercover says "All Rights by Kling-Klang-Music For Promotion Only Not For Sale". What a nerve! DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephan Schumacher Subject: (kw) New Member Date: 10 May 2000 17:28:32 +0200 Hi there, time to introduce myself, though I wrote something to the list already! My name is Stephan Schumacher, I´m 30 years old and a member of the list since 4 weeks. ´really like it, that there are some nerds like me thinking and discussing ´bout good music. I live in Hamburg and, sorry, haven´t join the lawcase so far (hollydays!) I got a little question: I remember, when I was a teenager, and the "Neue Deutsche Welle" was ON TOPIC, that they showed Clips of the biggest stars of germany on TV. They showed a video of the original "Die Roboter"- song, where they wore the LP- Outfits (Black trousers, red shirts) and ties with integrated lamps, where the light was wandering down the tie. I´ve never seen that Video in my life again and am not able to get a video- collection anywhere. Does anybody know or can give me a hint ? By the way I don´t think that We should go on discussing wether mails are "stupid, off topic, boring, silly" or written by less informed persons/ members. This is "www", suckers, isn´t it ? Doesn`t anybody has the right to say or ask what he/ she wants or is interested in ? Stay tuned and thanx in advance NUC 2000 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) New Member Date: 10 May 2000 10:40:40 -0700 >I got a little question: I remember, when I was a teenager, and the >"Neue Deutsche Welle" was ON TOPIC, that they showed Clips of the >biggest stars of germany on TV. They showed a video of the original "Die >Roboter"- song, where they wore the LP- Outfits (Black trousers, red >shirts) and ties with integrated lamps, where the light was wandering >down the tie. I=B4ve never seen that Video in my life again and am not >able to get a video- collection anywhere. Does anybody know or can give >me a hint ? There are a lot of Kraftwerk videos available here: http://website.lineone.net/~mike.pitt/tdkmov.htm It's a great collection! But... The Robots '78 video isn't included! If you don't mind receiving a huge email attachment, I can send you a RealMovie of that Robots video. It used to be on a site called Aktivitaet, but that site is offline now. ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk To Release First Album In Nine Years Date: 10 May 2000 13:28:04 -0700 New collection includes instrumental and demo versions of classics, plus a previously unreleased track. "The response to this record has been massive" - Phil Walton, Music Non Stop sales President More at: http://www.sonicnet.com/news/archive/story.jhtml?id=871856&pid=759565 As soon as I'm done with this mail, I'll order my copy. Enrique np: GU013 Ibiza, Sasha # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "xelius" Subject: (kw) germankraft Date: 10 May 2000 22:50:46 +0200 Hi werkers, I've a question: on Germankraft site there's a detailed list of KwK equipement catalogued by years . Is Germankraft in some way directly related to KlingKlang /R&F ? page is @ http://kraftwerk.mdis.de/index1.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "xelius" Subject: (kw) germankraft Date: 10 May 2000 22:52:50 +0200 Hi werkers, I've a question: on Germankraft site there's a very detailed list of KwK equipement catalogued by years . Is Germankraft in some way strictly related to KlingKlang maintenance or upgrading? thanks page is @ http://kraftwerk.mdis.de/index1.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "xelius" Subject: (kw) germankraft Date: 10 May 2000 22:52:56 +0200 Hi werkers, I've a question: on Germankraft site there's a very detailed list of KwK equipement catalogued by years . Is Germankraft in some way strictly related to KlingKlang maintenance or upgrading? thanks page is @ http://kraftwerk.mdis.de/index1.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "xelius" Subject: (kw) oops! Date: 10 May 2000 22:58:20 +0200 sorry for the repetitions. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bob hill Subject: (kw) English to be official Euorpean language.. Date: 10 May 2000 17:38:30 -0700 Yes this is off-topic however a little humour for the werkers should be tolerated. (no offense to our German werkers) The European Union commissioners have announced that agreement has been reached to adopt English as the preferred language for European communications, rather than German, which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five year phase plan for what will be known as EuroEnglish (Euro for short). In the first year, "s" will be used instead of the soft "c". Sertainly, sivil servants will reseive this news with joy. Also the hard "c" will be replaced with "k". Not only will this klear up konfusion, but typewriters kan have one less letter. There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced by "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20 per sent shorter. In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of silent "e"s in the languag is disgrasful, and they would be the next to go. By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" by "z" and "w" by "v". During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters. After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubls or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) English to be official Euorpean language.. Date: 10 May 2000 21:36:40 EDT Viz iz kul!!!!! ver did vu kum up viz ziz? Kriztian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Familie de Haan Subject: Re: (kw) English to be official Euorpean language.. Date: 11 May 2000 08:29:03 +0200 > Subject: (kw) English to be official Euorpean language.. > > > Yes this is off-topic however a little humour for > the werkers should be tolerated. > (no offense to our German werkers) Here goes the delete-button again... -- Remember when you computer gives an error, it's because: a handle can be de-referenced - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas Helvard" Subject: Re: (kw) New Member Date: 11 May 2000 11:33:17 +0200 It should be on this site, maintained by a good friend of mine http://ostenfeld.dk/~frostholm/ - Thomas -------------------- e-mail: cyberdyne_inc@hotmail.com web: http://skynet.person.dk (K) 2000 All Rites Reversed ICQ : 49985112 > > I got a little question: I remember, when I was a teenager, and the > "Neue Deutsche Welle" was ON TOPIC, that they showed Clips of the > biggest stars of germany on TV. They showed a video of the original "Die > Roboter"- song, where they wore the LP- Outfits (Black trousers, red > shirts) and ties with integrated lamps, where the light was wandering > down the tie. I´ve never seen that Video in my life again and am not > able to get a video- collection anywhere. Does anybody know or can give > me a hint # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: (kw) FW: Kraftwerk Date: 11 May 2000 10:58:07 +0100 Does anyone know a release date for the Kraftwerk "Introduction to..." CD album/book? New Musical Express want to do a small piece on it. > ---------- > From: > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 1:51 pm > To: Richard.Marston@penguin.co.uk > Subject: Kraftwerk > > Hi mate. > I'm just putting together a story on the Kraftwerk cd and book for nme. > Do you have a release date for the album? > cheers mate, > julian x > > http://www.penguin.com ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: FW: (kw) New Member Date: 11 May 2000 11:04:33 +0100 I bought a bootleg compilation VHS video a few years ago which has this on it. It was for sale in London's Camden Town Market area, where you can get loads of bootleg things if you have the time to search. However this was just a year or two after Kraftwerk had toured here, so the chances of finding something like that now must be pretty low... > ---------- > From: Stephan Schumacher >=20 > They showed a video of the original "Die Roboter"- song, where they wore > the LP- Outfits (Black trousers, red shirts) and ties with integrated > lamps, where the light was wandering down the tie. I=B4ve never seen that > Video in my life again and am not able to get a video- collection > anywhere. Does anybody know or can give me a hint ? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 http://www.penguin.com ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Essential New Kraftwerk Release Date: 11 May 2000 12:00:01 +0200 Arnaud de Bonald wrote: > >The Booklet > >includes the band-history, excerpts from Interviews and full discograp= hy > >including promo-only releases, bootlegs etc.etc. > > Strange R & F did agree to include bootlegs informations in an official= KW booklet.... > What do you think? I think this record is NOT official at all. Almost every bootlegs claim t= o be official "Kling Klang / EMI Produkt" or so. I'm very sceptic with all these ads. DER AUTOMAT =3D=DE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas Helvard" Subject: Re: (kw) Essential New Kraftwerk Release Date: 11 May 2000 15:36:06 +0200 Agreed, I bought the Tribal Gathering CD from www.ab-cd.com a couple of months ago, and it also claimed to be an official KlingKlang Produkt. However, this CD is really great! And I hate to say this, but the remixes are actually ok, too... - Thomas -------------------- e-mail: cyberdyne_inc@hotmail.com web: http://skynet.person.dk (K) 2000 All Rites Reversed ICQ : 49985112 Arnaud de Bonald wrote I think this record is NOT official at all. Almost every bootlegs claim to be official "Kling Klang / EMI Produkt" or so. I'm very sceptic with all these ads. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: (kw) Essential new Kraftwerk release Date: 11 May 2000 16:53:45 +0100 I heard this afternoon that Musc-Non-Stop have sent release date details to New Musical Express magazine (also www.nme.co.uk) for a short new item in the next issue. Looks like it might actually be an official release after all... http://www.penguin.co.uk ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: (kw) nme news Date: 11 May 2000 17:02:24 +0100 http://www.nme.co.uk/newsdesk/20000511154551.html http://www.penguin.co.uk ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cancerperson" Subject: (kw) "new" kw release Date: 11 May 2000 11:40:52 -0500 ok, me being the fool I am, I just went out on a wing and ordered this from amaozon.co.uk, It cost me all of 10 pounds...or around 20 USD (I think). I'll keep you posted if this actually comes in, and what kind of information is on the label. brian -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s: a-- C+++ UL P+ L++ E---- W+ N++ o- K w M- V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5- X++ R+ tv b+++ DI++ D++ G e>++ h! r-->++ y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.omn.net/~kpbloke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: (kw) It's-Cheaper-To-Import Date: 11 May 2000 17:41:13 +0100 That new compilation album's already listed at Amazon -- cheaper if you get it from Italy for some reason. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004THFS/qid=958063182/sr=1-15/02 6-4777227-3010851 http://www.penguin.co.uk ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wahlbom Subject: Re: (kw) It's-Cheaper-To-Import Date: 11 May 2000 19:23:54 +0200 (MET DST) On Thu, 11 May 2000, Richard Marston wrote: >=20 > That new compilation album's already listed at Amazon -- cheaper if you g= et > it from Italy for some reason. >=20 > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004THFS/qid=3D958063182/sr=3D= 1-15/02 > 6-4777227-3010851 This is *very* interesting: it looks like it might be a Stampa Alternativa book! Stampa Alternativa, AFAIK, is an Italian publisher doing books about alternative music, often with accompanying records with rare and/or unreleased material. Frequently the books have parallel text in English and Italian, possibly German as well. I have a book myself about Einst=FCrzende Neubauten, with an exclusive interview with Blixa Bargeld an= d a 3" CD single with the two tracks "Nag Nag Nag" and "W=FCste (Ballet version)", the former not available on any other release; I have seen and read other Stampa Alternativa books about Joy Division (two or three of them), New Order, The Cure, Sisters of Mercy and Soft Cell. These books may not always be legal in the strictest sense of the word, but they are well done and often seem to be written in cooperation with the artists.=20 This would also mean that this, technically, is a book with accompanying CD, not a CD with a bonus book... Ah well, better not say too much before I have it in my hand. Anyway, I'm looking forward to getting a copy for myself, legal or not...=20 - Anders Wahlbom | http://www.update.uu.se/~awahlbom/ (Finger for geek code) | http://www.cutoff.se/dss - NOW PLAYING: Klinik: _Time_ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: (kw) FTP Server? Date: 11 May 2000 22:19:47 +0200 (CEST) What happened to the FTP server ( ftp://kw:kw@lacava.dynip.com ) I had spotted a couple of good ones on it, but now I just can't back on... ' Anyone..? Are there another server (aka. A mirror) I can use? Kaspar D. Larsen aka. Dr.Who? ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Få en gratis @yahoo.dk-adresse på http://mail.yahoo.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) nme news Date: 11 May 2000 17:02:56 -0700 > http://www.nme.co.uk/newsdesk/20000511154551.html "A spokesperson for Kraftwerk told nme.com there were no plans for the band to release any more new material in the near future." D'ohh!!! Another 11-year hiatus, I suppose! Oh well. At least we've got this "Short Introduction To Kraftwerk" book and CD. Well, I hope. I put in my order to Amazon.co.uk. and I'm keeping my fingers crossed! ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andréas Hagström" Subject: (kw) tdf-videotrack Date: 10 May 2000 07:44:27 PDT Does the TDFversion that plays on the video where kraftwerk ride their bi= kes=20 exist on any official record? Who has made the remix? http://website.lineone.net/~mike.pitt/tdkmov.htm /Andr=E9as ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Stereomatic Date: 10 May 2000 15:04:23 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 2:17 PM > But if you have much money (around 1500$) you should spend them on some Yamo > Loudspeakers. Almost every Yamo model sounds very good. > > What did Wolfgang name his band after? Was it maybe the speakers? If so, I > must say that he has good taste :) > > /Erik *hehehe* ;-))) hopefully the yamo loudspeakers company wouldn't sue him either !!! ;-))) i suppose this man has already enough trouble by now !!! *LOL* ;-))) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ENRIQUEC@heraeusmtd.com Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk To Release First Album In Nine Years Date: 10 May 2000 16:07:41 -0400 (EDT) This story from SonicNet Music News Of The World (http://www.sonicnet.com/news) has been sent to you by ENRIQUEC@heraeusmtd.com. Message From ENRIQUEC@heraeusmtd.com: "More news on the *NEW* album" Kraftwerk To Release First Album In Nine Years New collection includes instrumental and demo versions of classics, plus a previously unreleased track. Contributing Editor Corey Moss reports Wed., May 10, 8:46 AM EDT German electronic-music pioneers Kraftwerk will release their first album in nine years next week. A Short Introduction to Kraftwerk, a collection of seven previously unreleased versions of the group's early classics, will be released along with an 88-page CD-sized booklet by Sonic Books. The material will be available in the U.S. only by mail order from various UK companies. "The response to this record has been massive," said Phil Walton, president of Music Non Stop Sales (www.music-non-stop.co.uk), one of the distributors of the CD. "I have Kraftwerk fans from all over the world ordering this." Kraftwerk's core is the duo of Ralf Hutter and Florian Schneider, whose notorious secrecy has lent them a reputation for unpredictability. The band just obtained the copyrights to the seven songs from their label, EMI, because they were written more than 20 years ago, Music Non Stop Sales said in a statement. Considered a major influence on artists ranging from chameleonic rocker David Bowie to pioneering rap DJ Afrika Bambaataa to big-beat techno band the Chemical Brothers, Kraftwerk embarked on a surprise world tour in 1998, prompting fans to speculate about new material for the two years since. The group answered earlier this year with the single "Expo 2000," their first official release since the 1991 remix album, The Mix. A Short Introduction to Kraftwerk features more than 45 minutes of music, including an early demo version from 1977 of their #1 UK hit "Model" (RealAudio excerpt), from The Man-Machine. Other tracks include a re-recorded, longer version of Radioactivity's "Uranium," a demo version of Trans-Europe Express' "Hall of Mirrors" and an instrumental version of "Radioactivity" that's drastically different from the 1975 original. The album opens with "It's More Fun to Compute," originally recorded in 1981 for a planned 12-inch that was never released. A six-minute remake of their hit "Autobahn" (RealAudio excerpt of original version), originally intended for The Mix but never released, also is included. It, too, captures a different side of the song by nixing the vocal track. The album's accompanying book includes a history of the band, excerpts from rare interviews and a full discography that includes promo-only releases and bootlegs. Hutter and Schneider met as music students at the Dusseldorf Conservatory in 1968 and formed Kraftwerk (German for "power station") soon after. Although their early albums, such as Kraftwerk 1 and 2 and Ralf & Florian, are considered some of the first contemporary electronic-music recordings, it was their 1974 album Autobahn that first explored their landmark concept of machine meshing with man and introduced a mainstream pop sensibility. It was followed by four albums (all issued in German and English versions), ending with 1981's Computer World (RealAudio excerpt of title track), that established the group as peerless techno innovators. Use SonicNet's archives of 1000s of music news stories for more on your favorite artists. Check out SonicNet's website for daily music news, including audio clips and other multimedia: http://www.sonicnet.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) More on KW new CD+Book Date: 10 May 2000 16:08:08 -0700 News on dotmusic.com: "UNHEARD KRAFTWERK TRACKS EMERGE" http://www.dotmusic.com/news/May2000/news13855.asp Where can we get a hold of a copy?=20 I've only found a couple of places on the net so far... Groove http://www.groove.nl/kw_us.html (US$17.25) and Music Non Stop http://www.music-non-stop.co.uk (=A315.99) Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: Re: (kw) oops! Date: 10 May 2000 23:13:24 GMT no problem xelius, I don't know about any bond between Kraftwerk and Germankraft, but after browsing the official site, I noticed there's absolutely no merchandise on Ticketworld :( Are they the only distributors, does anyone know? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: Re: (kw) oops! Date: 10 May 2000 23:13:28 GMT no problem xelius, I don't know about any bond between Kraftwerk and Germankraft, but after browsing the official site, I noticed there's absolutely no merchandise on Ticketworld :( Are they the only distributors, does anyone know? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) English to be official Euorpean language ... [ THIS IS A WARNIN' !!! ] >> OFF TOPIK !!! << ;-))) Date: 11 May 2000 10:59:11 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 2:38 AM > Yes this is off-topic however a little humour for > the werkers should be tolerated. > (no offense to our German werkers) *grim* > The European Union commissioners have announced that agreement has been > reached to adopt English as the preferred language for European > communications, rather than German, which was the other possibility. As > > part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English > > spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five year > phase > plan for what will be known as EuroEnglish (Euro for short). > > In the first year, "s" will be used instead of the soft "c". Sertainly, > > sivil servants will reseive this news with joy. Also the hard "c" will > be > replaced with "k". Not only will this klear up konfusion, but > typewriters > kan have one less letter. There will be growing publik enthusiasm in > the > sekond year, when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced by "f". This > will > make words like "fotograf" 20 per sent shorter. > > In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted > to > reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. > Governments > will enkourage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a > deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of > silent "e"s in the languag is disgrasful, and they would be the next to > go. > > By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing > "th" by > "z" and "w" by "v". During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd > from > vords kontaining "ou" and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer > kombinations of leters. > > After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no > mor > trubls or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech ozer. > > > Ze drem vil finali kum tru. > > hi there ! THIS IS A WARNIN' !!! WE'VE NOW REACHED THE FINAL LEVEL OF THE INFILTRATION & ASSIMILATION PROGRAM OF THE TRULY MARVELOUS & MIGHTY FABULOUS KWML !!! ;-))) SO PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT U'VE COMPLETELY INSTALLED & ENABLED YOUR CRYPTOGRAPHIC DECODERS & ANTI-(EURO-ENGLISH)CHAOS & CONFUSION PROGRAMS !!! ;-))) THANX A LOT 4 YOUR CONSIDERATION & MAY THE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE OF OUR ELECTRONIC MACHINERY BE WITH U !!! ;-))) yours sincerely , herr sigfried sternenstaub - the trance-zen-dental astron(a)ut ! ;-) a.k.a. micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) p. s. : sorry !!! i was jus' kiddin' !!! *LOL* ;-))) btw : thanx a lot mr. bob hill !!! ;-))) I ENJOYED THIS WAY OFF TOPIK JOKE VERY MUCH !!! ;-))) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: (kw) Old Robots Vid Date: 11 May 2000 11:08:40 GMT Well hey, Thanks for the link, but I have my problems with it :( my screen is at 1600x1280 - too big apparently. I can easily resize, but do they need this restriction? and the vids are in .ram or .rm - I can't view them - my free provider doesnot allow this :( can they be converted to mpg? that would be totally splendid! :) would love to see this old vid. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Essential New Kraftwerk Release Date: 11 May 2000 16:18:47 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 3:36 PM > Agreed, I bought the Tribal Gathering CD from www.ab-cd.com a couple of > months ago, and it also claimed to be an official KlingKlang Produkt. > However, this CD is really great! And I hate to say this, but the remixes > are actually ok, too... > > - Thomas > > -------------------- > e-mail: cyberdyne_inc@hotmail.com > web: http://skynet.person.dk > (K) 2000 All Rites Reversed > ICQ : 49985112 > > > Arnaud de Bonald wrote > > I think this record is NOT official at all. Almost every bootlegs claim to > be official "Kling Klang / EMI Produkt" or so. > I'm very sceptic with all these ads. hi kwf's ! i think it's absolute useless 2 speculate if it's an official or unofficial " kling klang produkt " !!! if u have read the info about it carefully u might have seen that it's DEFINITELY NO EMI MUSIC PRODUCT !!! ;-) btw : WHO REALLY CARES - EXCEPT MAYBE RALF & FLORIAN THEMSELVES ! ;-) - IF IT'S AN OFFICIAL RELEASE OR NOT ??? ;-) IT'S "NEW" & IT'S KW !!! THAT'S WHAT REALLY COUNTS I SUPPOSE !!! ;-) GO & GET YOUR COPY OF IT !!! I'D ORDERED MINE ALREADY !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: R: (kw) It's-Cheaper-To-Import Date: 11 May 2000 22:16:23 +0200 >This is *very* interesting: it looks like it might be a Stampa Alternativa >book! Stampa Alternativa, AFAIK, is an Italian publisher doing books about >alternative music, often with accompanying records with rare and/or >unreleased material. Yes, it could be. However, there's no sign of it in their website. I'll try to call them tomorrow and ask for some more information. BTW the site is only in Italian so if you're interested in the "sonic books" you should follow these links: Main site (www.stampalternativa.it) -> "catalogo" -> "Le collane della casa editrice" -> "Altre collane" Otherwise, you could jump directly to www.stampalternativa.it/altre.htm but you will lose the navigation frame. ciao, *luca* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: (kw) Industrial photos Date: 12 May 2000 10:46:37 +0100 http://www.pylonofthemonth.co.uk/ OK, so this site's a bit of a joke, but buried away in the links section ("Adult pylon picture gallery -- huge stell erections!") are some photos which wouldn't be out of place on early Kraftwerk album covers (I'm thinking of that photo by conceptual artists Bernd + Hilla Becher on Kraftwerk 1). :) http://www.penguin.co.uk ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Industrial photos Date: 12 May 2000 11:48:55 +0000 Richard Marston wrote: > > http://www.pylonofthemonth.co.uk/ > > OK, so this site's a bit of a joke, but buried away in the links section > ("Adult pylon picture gallery -- huge stell erections!") are some photos > which wouldn't be out of place on early Kraftwerk album covers (I'm thinking > of that photo by conceptual artists Bernd + Hilla Becher on Kraftwerk 1). Yes, and don't forget the link to the Traffic Cone Preservation Society! I haven't looked at this site in quite a while... I must catch up with those wonderful er, constructions. MIPAICHTBHDBMAAHMLEDTC!!!!!* Some sad git has a pylon picture here, as well: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/carya-amara/ So good to know one isn't alone in one's interests... Kevin * = "Microbot is probably already in convulsions, his tongue being held down by medical assistants as his manic laughter echoes down the corridors". :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Coen Rampen" Subject: RE: (kw) tdf-videotrack Date: 12 May 2000 13:07:09 +0200 Hi all, > Does the TDFversion that plays on the video where kraftwerk ride > their bikes > exist on any official record? Who has made the remix? It sounds like an edit from the Kervorkian remix. This particular edit isn't available on a record, but other edits and the remix itself are. Greetz, Coen Rampen c.rampen@student.utwente.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) Ticket World updated site Date: 12 May 2000 07:28:08 -0700 Matthew Large wrote: >I don't know about any bond between Kraftwerk and Germankraft, but >after browsing the official site, I noticed there's absolutely no >merchandise on Ticketworld :( If you want to see Kling Klang's Konsum Product, go to Ticket World updated site: http://www.ticketworld.de/cgi-bin/TicketWorld.storefront And click down below to the right... Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) nme news Date: 12 May 2000 20:10:07 +0200 Jason Polland wrote: > > > http://www.nme.co.uk/newsdesk/20000511154551.html > > "A spokesperson for Kraftwerk told nme.com there were no plans for the > band to release any more new material in the near future." Die haben doch wohl'n Knall, oder? (means, they're crazy, aren't they?) Gunnar # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: (kw) Stereo/Mono? Date: 12 May 2000 13:45:43 -0700 Hi gang, I'm trying to put together a disc of rare KW tracks, but I've only got a few so far. I'm converting mp3's to CD audio. I have one version of the "Sex Object" Demo Version, but it seems to be in mono. Does a stereo version of this track exist? The "Technopop" Demo is in stereo, so it makes me wonder... Thanks! ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) nme news Date: 12 May 2000 23:21:28 +0200 Wess schrieb: > Jason Polland wrote: > > > > > http://www.nme.co.uk/newsdesk/20000511154551.html > > > > "A spokesperson for Kraftwerk told nme.com there were no plans for the > > band to release any more new material in the near future." > > Die haben doch wohl'n Knall, oder? (means, they're crazy, aren't they?) > > Gunnar Hey, that's with "...no plans for the band to release any new material in the nearer future" is IMO just a rumour. New dresses and new heads for robots...for nothing? Can't belive ;-). Gruesse aus Wien, Georgie -- *-*-*- * "Wir sind die Roboter" + KRAFTWERK + http://www.kraftwerk.com * * EXPO 2000 + Mensch-Natur-Technik + http://www.expo2000.de * * * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) + ICQ: 53829477 * * http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ + phone/SMS: +436765621850 * *-*-*-* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: (kw) Live KW Recordings? Date: 12 May 2000 20:40:38 EDT Does anyone know where to get a live recording of past KW concerts (91 & up) including Numbers and Computerworld 2 (CD quality)? I would really appreciate it! :-) Thanx, Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) nme news Date: 13 May 2000 08:27:07 +0200 > > Hey, that's with "...no plans for the band to release any new material > in the > nearer future" is IMO just a rumour. > > New dresses and new heads for robots...for nothing? Can't belive ;-). Exactly! This is actually my point of criticism ;-) Gunnar # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Larry LaCost Jr Subject: (kw) Neue Version on Napster Date: 13 May 2000 01:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Users named: clauinger and heinioii on Napster have put up track 8 - Trans Europa Endloss. Seems like people are putting out Kraftwerk remixes of releases that don't even exist yet. WOW! Larry... ===== Larry... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@softhome.net Subject: (kw) 'new' release book+cd Date: 13 May 2000 05:13:04 -0300 Hi to all. Quoted this from "Hot stuff mailorder" , News 00-05-12: 37157 CD KRAFTWERK A SHORT INTRO..CD sized book+7 track CD (unreleased) 149- CD-sized book ?! So that's not a 'real' book... regards, Ed. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Nilsson" Subject: (kw) Bartos at Expo2000 Date: 13 May 2000 14:39:29 +0200 According to www.releasemagazinet.net Karl Bartos will perform live at = Expo2000 on October 2 and 3. With Kraftwerk and solo material! Interesting. He will also play at the Arvika Festival = in Sweden. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Nilsson" Subject: SV: (kw) Bartos at Expo2000 Date: 13 May 2000 14:45:00 +0200 >According to www.releasemagazinet.net Karl Bartos will perform live at = Expo2000 on October 2 and 3. With Kraftwerk >and >solo material! Interesting. He will also play at the Arvika Festival = in Sweden. Sorry, the correct url should be www.releasemagazine.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Daw" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk demos Date: 13 May 2000 16:02:10 +0100 I am looking for good quality mp3s of the Technopop and Sex Object demos. Can somebody please point me in the right direction? Thanks Simon Daw # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) Bartos at Expo2000 Date: 13 May 2000 17:47:11 +0200 I'm still wondering why he will perform as Karl Bartos and not as "Electric Music". Does anybody know? Gunnar Daniel Nilsson schrieb: > > According to www.releasemagazinet.net Karl Bartos will perform live at Expo2000 on October 2 and 3. With Kraftwerk and > solo material! Interesting. He will also play at the Arvika Festival in Sweden. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord" Subject: SV: (kw) Bartos at Expo2000 Date: 13 May 2000 18:45:58 +0200 >I'm still wondering why he will perform as Karl Bartos and not as >"Electric Music". Does anybody know? > >Gunnar Maybe because "Karl Bartos" is an ex-Kraftwerker and "Electric Music" is = just another band? glenn # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re: (kw) Thaemlitz etc Date: 14 May 2000 03:56:14 +0200 drellah@hotmail.com writes: =20 > > The reaction from this forum wasnt what I excpected=20 >when I wrote my mail. >When I talked about the queernes of Kraftwerk I wasnt talking about R&Fs= =20 >sexuall preferences, I couldnt care less. I was trying to start a=20 >conversation about the influence that Kraftwerk has got from the gayscen >and=20 >how the gayscen has been influenced by them. Keine Frage! Vergessen wir nicht, dass Kraftwerk in den 70ern grossgeworden sind. Jenes Jahrzehnt, welches heute noch als das liberalste seit den 20er & 30er-Jahren gilt. Die 90er jahre waren ein schwacher Abklatsch davon. Und was heisst schon >queernes >It is wellknowned that Kraftwerk was influenced by the two homosexual >artist=20 >Gilbert & George and their performance about gender and social structure= .=20 Ich behaupte mal, dass es f=FCr Kraftwerk nie von Relevanz war, welche sexuelle Orientierung jemand lebt sondern was der/diejenige k=FCnstlerisch & menschlich von sich gibt (siehe z. B.: David Bowie). (Warum es so immens wichtig ist, was, wer, mit wem, im Bett oder sonstwo macht, wird mir wohl ewig ein R=E4tsel bleiben.) =20 > >The idea of dressing up in conservative costumes and have their hair >trimed=20 >instead of the early hippestile they had on Autobahn is defenatly an=20 >influence from Gilbert & George. This shows That R&F are fare more open=20 >minded than alot of the MWM on this mailinglist. A lot >fare more<... =20 > >The homophobic outrage that we has seen on the mailinglist these last >days=20 >is a shame! Dummheit kennt eben keine Grenzen. =20 > >/Andr=C8as ---josef > >________________________________________________________________________ > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: (kw) European song contest Date: 14 May 2000 10:42:33 +0200 Yesterday, during the presentation of the Swedish song, a clip from the to-be Swedish pavilion at Expo 2000 was shown and in the background you could hear - guess what! /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) OT: Humanoider Roboter P3 Date: 14 May 2000 11:27:11 +0200 http://www.honda-p3.com/ Very Kraftwerkish. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Familie de Haan Subject: Re: (kw) European song contest Date: 14 May 2000 12:35:29 +0200 > Yesterday, during the presentation of the Swedish song, a clip from the > to-be Swedish pavilion at Expo 2000 was shown and in the background you > could hear - guess what! erm... ABBA? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) Thaemlitz etc Date: 14 May 2000 13:43:52 +0200 Josef Gabler wrote: > > ...bout the influence that Kraftwerk has got from the gayscene > >and how the gayscen has been influenced by them. > Hätten Kraftwerk es je nötig gehabt, sich mit gay+ oder gay- > auseinanderzusetzen, > wäre ein Cover wie jenes für "Die Mensch-Maschine" nie entstanden: > 4 erwachsene Männer mit deutlich sichtbarem Lippenstift... > Für dieses Cover hat man sie einerseits als Faschisten bezeichnet, > als Schwule andererseits. Beide gesellschaftlichen Erscheinungsformen > haben nicht zufällig eng miteinander zu tun. I think the lipstick, the cut eyebrows etc of The Man Machine have nothing to do with a gay scene. I think it's simply related to the red-white-black colors of the artwork and keeping in style with that. Hence the red lipstick, the white powdered skin and the dark hair. The fact that style elements from the 20's were used has nothing to do with "queerness", not even with the Berlin "cabaret", I think. Lissitzky stems from the Russian avant-garde, and that was a rather serious art movement. So in short, it's all about reduction of the number of colors, not about wearing lipstick and being liberal or the gay movement! Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) European song contest Date: 14 May 2000 13:45:08 +0200 "Svensson, Joakim" wrote: > > Yesterday, during the presentation of the Swedish song, a clip from the > to-be Swedish pavilion at Expo 2000 was shown and in the background you > could hear - guess what! 5 seconds of Telex! Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: Re: (kw) European song contest Date: 14 May 2000 16:30:40 +0200 (CEST) some 13.000 swedish cheering and two commentators trying to yell louder than them... ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Få en gratis @yahoo.dk-adresse på http://mail.yahoo.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) For Trade: KW "WestWood One Concert" Date: 14 May 2000 19:43:53 +0200 It's an original bootleg CD, not a CDR. If interested, let me know what you can offer in exchange, I paid about = $25 for this one , so I'd like a fair trade because it's brand new, I on= ly play once just to discover that it was the same live recording as the "Lauschangriff" b= ootleg I already have. Here is the track listing (extracted from CDDB with AudioCatalyst): Artist: Kraftwerk CD#: 1145B1B Album: Live In Dusseldorf 31 10 91 Numbers 03:27 34.92 Mb Computerworld 04:19 43.67 Mb It=B4s More Fun To Compute 08:03 81.32 Mb Computerlove 07:05 71.59 Mb The Model 04:10 42.15 Mb Tour De France 08:28 85.57 Mb Autobahn 11:23 114.94 Mb Radioactivity 07:56 80.11 Mb Trans Europe Express Metal On Metal Abzug 10:58 110.74 Mb The Robots 10:06 102.11 Mb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) Spin's Kraftwerk Back to the Beat Date: 12 May 2000 11:33:09 -0700 Taken from: http://www.spin.com/noise/news/2000/05/11/1/index.html#item10 "Kraftwerk, the very reason we have blips and bleeps in modern music, is set to release a new compilation CD featuring rare and previously unreleased material, according to NME.com. If you purchase said CD, you will get to hear new versions of seven Kraftwerk tracks: "It's More Fun To Compute," "Kristallo," "Autobahn," "Hall Of Mirrors," "Radioactivity," "Uranium," and "Das Model." Each one of these songs was recorded during the original sessions, but were never released (until now!). You will also receive a book (reading is good for you) called A Short Introduction to Kraftwerk. The CD will not be released through their EMI label, since all of these tracks are more than 20 years old at this point (that is so very old). The copyright on the tracks now belong once again to Ralf Hutter and Florian Schneider. The disc and book will be released by Sonic Books, and you can order it by mail or via this funny little thing I've been hearing about called the Internet: http://www.music-non-stop.co.uk and http://www.amazon.co.uk It was only last December that Kraftwerk released the single "Expo 2000" for the beginning of the Expo 2000 European Business Conference in Hanover, Germany. It was also their first new material since 1986. The band currently has no plans for any more new material. BLEEPS BLIPS BLOOPS BLARDS BLEERDS BEEP BEEP" Just visited amazon.co.uk and checked on my order status, and it seems that I'm gonna have to wait for it anywhere from 4 to 6 weeks and they say that it may not be available at all! Damn... Enrique (keep it together, keep it together, keep it together...) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: (kw) It's-Cheaper-To-Import (update) Date: 12 May 2000 18:36:18 +0200 I called Stampa Alternativa. Yes, this book is published in Italy, so it's not an official Kling Klang release but R&F actually gave their permission to publish it. The included tracks are therefore "official" and it seems they have been selected by the robotmen themselves. Price in Italy is Lit. 20.000 (less than 10$) BTW this doesn't mean it's a "cheap" book...Stampa Alternativa is famous in Italy for releasing very good material at very low prices. Unfortunately, they don't accept on-line orders for foreign countries. Anyway they can be contacted by email: nuovi.equilibri@agora.stm.it and they will be happy to quote you price and shipping charges. I haven't got a copy myself *yet* but I ordered it throgh my local bookstore and I should receive it shortly. ciao *luca* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eugene Zaikonnikov" Subject: Re: (kw) 'new' release book+cd Date: 13 May 2000 16:55:03 +0300 > 37157 CD KRAFTWERK A SHORT INTRO..CD sized book+7 track CD (unreleased) 149- > > CD-sized book ?! So that's not a 'real' book... > As I understand, it is more of a brochure, listing Kraftwerk history and discography. But the disk contents seems to be interesting. You can check it out at http://www.music-non-stop.co.uk/acatalog/MNS_Online_Catalogue_Kraftwerk_240. html The site (MNS) was also mentioned regarding Kraftwerk on Viva Zwei last night. Btw, though my knowledge of German is limited to basic shopping phrases, I've heard they said 'neue album'. What they were talking about? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr. Telex" Subject: (kw) Sources ??? Date: 14 May 2000 05:35:48 GMT El Doctore Jones posted : >>>>>>"... new kw album 2 be released in july / aug. 2000 ! +++ workin' >>>>>>title so far : "network" ! +++ kw will play @ expo 2000 after >>>>>>releasin' the album in sept. 2000 ! +++ possibly even more concerts in >>>>>>2000 & 2001 ! +++" Who are your sources ? Just curious. :-) - Josh Mr. Telex - "Data Mensch" ICQ # 42651237 AOL IM - Neurovision 7 "At first, it would seem to you that it is all too good to be true; that you will be ravaged in the end. But as time lingers forward, the eyes of your soul will slowly be opened and the light in your heart will shine forth the beginning of a new dawn. Know now that the words that have been uttered in your presence are indeed that of the truth. " - Circle In The Square ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Sundkvist" Subject: Re: (kw) European song contest Date: 14 May 2000 11:51:09 CEST >Yesterday, during the presentation of the Swedish song, a clip from the to-be Swedish pavilion at Expo 2000 was shown and in the background you could hear - guess what! I heard it to. Wonder if SVT (the swedish television) asked KW for permission for using the Expo2000 single? I mean, KW didn't want the single to be used for Expo2000-presentations, right? Any other listmembers who saw the ESC? Did you hear under the winners song (Denmark), the voice sounded almost exactly like Eiffel 65? I mean that they were using some kind of vocoder. But the swedish announcers said that they were using something called "Auto-tuner". /Erik ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: (kw) ebay item Date: 14 May 2000 16:33:22 GMT I found this on ebay. item 329829062 it claims to have a jazz demo of expo 2000 and a hardcore mix of electric cafe. is it the real deal? (unlikely but does anyone know for sure?) large ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "N. S. Ward" Subject: (kw) Scratchmaster L Date: 14 May 2000 13:51:34 -0400 Hi A few days ago on the local rap/R&B station out of Cleveland/OH/USA had an hour long dj mixing segment that included some trans-europe express. always nice to hear that while driving on one's merry way. its clear that kw's impact on the rap and dj'ing scene hasn't faded with time --Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Kiplinger" Subject: (kw) Cover Songs Date: 14 May 2000 10:59:18 PDT I wish KW would do a bunch of cover songs from some 80's Industrial bands like "Smothered Hope" By Skinny Puppy (1984) and "Everyday Is Halloween" By Ministry (1984). Ohhh Well, i guess i'll keep on dreaming. Anyone else has some 80's songs you think KW can cover? Let us know..... Jason ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "nate rogers" Subject: (kw) booty music...lol Date: 14 May 2000 14:38:44 EDT Last night I was at a party where they were playing lots of dance music (booty music they call it) and about half of the songs had kraftwerk samples and melodies! When I brought this up, everyone just stared at me, which made me mad because they dont even know where their music is coming from. Also, a local dance station plays Music Non Stop from The Mix when announcing commercial free music. I know that these things have been brought up before, but I never experienced them for myself! -N8 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Thaemlitz etc Date: 14 May 2000 20:18:53 EDT In a message dated 5/13/00 9:58:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, josefgabler@magnet.at writes: << The homophobic outrage that we has seen on the mailinglist these last >days >is a shame! Dummheit kennt eben keine Grenzen. >> To what homophobic outrage are you referring too? I don't every remember hearing anyone saying anything or implying anything bad about homosexuals!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-p Where in the hell do you get that from? Are you referring to someone disagreeing with it? Does your feet hurt from jumping to all those conclusions? Just because someone has a different opinion about homosexuality doesn't make them a homophobe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And if you are referring to the question I asked then your jumping to more conclusions!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I made no reference to KW only this mailing list!!!!!! So stop this assuming garbage and get the facts first!!!!!!! That would make everyone's life easier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Christian :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Mokris Subject: Re: (kw) European song contest Date: 14 May 2000 23:46:09 -0400 (EDT) > Any other listmembers who saw the ESC? Did you hear under the winners song > (Denmark), the voice sounded almost exactly like Eiffel 65? I mean that they > were using some kind of vocoder. But the swedish announcers said that they > were using something called "Auto-tuner". i've listened to a few eiffel65 tracks... it's my guess that they actually are using an "autotuner". i've seen a few advertisements/reviews of them in keyboard magazine (usa). apparently an "autotuner" is a device that you feed microphone signal and midi pitch data, and it will align the microphone signal with the pitch data. slightly like a typical vocoder (actually the processor likely uses "phase vocoding" to shift pitches). i would guess eiffel65 and groups with vocals that sound like that are simply speaking (or singing in completely different pitches) and then having the box provide the pitch (which would cause it to sound kind of "quantized"). steve --- Q8.4: How can I write a cpp macro which takes a variable number of arguments? A8.4: #define add(x) (x) #define add(x, y) (x + y) #pragma induction add # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: (kw) [pirates of] Penzance/Aphex Twin Land Date: 15 May 2000 00:53:23 -0400 Can anyone recommend any good record stores in the Cornwall area of the UK, around Penzance? I'm going there in about 2 weeks. Thanks very much! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: Re: (kw) European song contest Date: 15 May 2000 07:20:49 +0200 Quite a lot of the artists were using Antares Auto tuner, unfortunatly not *all* of those who really should have (poor russian girl). The only part of the contest that was a bit funny was when they showed a clip of Telex performing "Eurovision". /aw Steve Mokris wrote: > > > Any other listmembers who saw the ESC? Did you hear under the winners song > > (Denmark), the voice sounded almost exactly like Eiffel 65? I mean that they > > were using some kind of vocoder. But the swedish announcers said that they > > were using something called "Auto-tuner". > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Modular77@aol.com Subject: (kw) re: covers Date: 15 May 2000 02:25:18 EDT i'd like them to cover 'Primary' bu the Cure, and 'Love will tear us apart' by Joy Division # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "xelius" Subject: (kw) European song contest Date: 15 May 2000 09:23:58 +0200 Eiffel 65 use from the single I'mbluebudabudydabudaah.....the Digitech Vocalist hardware whit its cheap preset 'Vocoder'. They told (before their first single started to reach the charts) that they used this kind of solution to make strange the piano phrase of 'blue',(adding over the lead vocal to drive the voco) , they was ,at that time ,unappy of the result. The autotune hardware or software plug in by Antares, has a cleanest effect on the voice, it was conceived just to gentle retune in no audible way the vocal tracks. Setting the two parameters (retune and tracking) in extreme setting it jumps in quantized tones giving a robotic feel . The famous Cher voice effects is made with the Voice Tweaker plug in. This is the effect that emulate , a bit , some KwK timbres. No one of these boring and abused froggy gadgets I've found ,so flat employed, in KwK vocal treatments. God bless Them!( KWK :-) ) Evolution-not- rEvolution # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas Helvard" Subject: OT Re: (kw) Thaemlitz etc Date: 15 May 2000 10:40:50 +0200 I have an idea...write OT (Off Topic) in subj. so the rest of us don't have to listen to your pointless biggering. - Thomas -------------------- e-mail: cyberdyne_inc@hotmail.com web: http://skynet.person.dk (K) 2000 All Rites Reversed ICQ : 49985112 > > To what homophobic outrage are you referring too? I don't every remember > > hearing anyone saying anything or implying anything bad about > > homosexuals!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-p Where in the hell do you get that from? Are > you > > referring to someone disagreeing with it? Does your feet hurt from jumping > to > > all those conclusions? Just because someone has a different opinion about > > homosexuality doesn't make them a homophobe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And if you > > are referring to the question I asked then your jumping to more > > conclusions!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I made no reference to KW only this mailing > > list!!!!!! So stop this assuming garbage and get the facts first!!!!!!! > That > > would make everyone's life easier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Christian :-) > > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord" Subject: SV: (kw) European song contest Date: 14 May 2000 23:57:11 +0200 >Any other listmembers who saw the ESC? Did you hear under the winners = song=20 >(Denmark), the voice sounded almost exactly like Eiffel 65? I mean that = they=20 >were using some kind of vocoder. But the swedish announcers said that = they=20 >were using something called "Auto-tuner". I think its the type of device they use in studios when dance bimbo's = with big breasts are trying to be singers and they need to tune their = voices because they cant sing! Or they can use this device for = Eurovision SongCraptest too...... :-) Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Stuff www.folkvord.net/jarrestuff=20 Emusic http://w3.to/_emusic # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LCAPUTO@HKLAW.COM Subject: (kw) Newbie Date: 15 May 2000 10:00:18 -0400 I am brand new to this list. I'll introduce myself. My name is Lisa, I'm 33 years old. I've been listening to Kraftwerk since I was in junior high school. I bought my first Kraftwerk album (Computer World) in 10th grade, although I'd heard them on the radio (Trans Europe Express) years before that. They've always been one of my faves (and I don't like that much music out there -- for being such a huge music fan I have a small CD collection). I've always been very selective (I really wore out my B-52s & Devo albums, too). I went to a "heavy metal" high school, and no one else liked this stuff (I'm not exaggerating). My friends would say, "How can you listen to this shit?" so I was always alone in it, I was in my own cocoon. I guess it's different these days, "alternative" was truly underground then, but it's all anyone would listen to these days. Anyway, I've always thought Kraftwerk were geniuses. I get into a Kraftwerk phase maybe once a year. It's transcendental. I've been blasting their CDs in my car for weeks. They'll always be very special to me, I still need to listen to them after all this time. There's nothing like it (is there?). They are so brilliant. I'm glad I found this list, so I can finally "express" to someone how I feel about them. That might sound corny. I've never even met anyone else in my life who likes them. For the heck of it I just decided to look up some websites on them, and I see that there are albums that I'd never heard of. The sites made me feel like I've been really out of it! Some fan, huh? I never followed them or read anything about them. I'd just assumed they broke up years ago. I guess I simply just purchased what I found in the bins in the commercial record stores over the years. That is the only way I "kept up" with them. I never even heard them on the radio ever again (I was a teen in NY last time I heard them on the radio). If there's anything juicy out there you think I missed and think I should get (videos, articles, etc.), please tell me. I have no idea what they're up to now. Thanks! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wahlbom Subject: Re: (kw) It's-Cheaper-To-Import (update) Date: 15 May 2000 16:16:52 +0200 (MET DST) On Fri, 12 May 2000, Luca Dassi wrote: > Unfortunately, they don't accept on-line orders for foreign countries. Hot Stuff have it in their catalogue now and are charging 149 SEK (+p&p) for it. Skivhugget don't have it yet, but I reckon it's just a question of time. - Anders Wahlbom | http://www.update.uu.se/~awahlbom/ (Finger for geek code) | http://www.cutoff.se/dss - NOW PLAYING: Einst=FCrzende Neubauten: live at Berlin Atonal 1999 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wahlbom Subject: Re: (kw) Cover Songs Date: 15 May 2000 16:29:45 +0200 (MET DST) On Sun, 14 May 2000, Jason Kiplinger wrote: > I wish KW would do a bunch of cover songs from some 80's Industrial bands= =20 > like "Smothered Hope" By Skinny Puppy (1984) and "Everyday Is Halloween" = By=20 > Ministry (1984). Ohhh Well, i guess i'll keep on dreaming. I have dreams like that sometimes, such as Skinny Puppy doing Enya's "Orinoco Flow" or Enya covering "Der Mussolini". I usually wake up soaking wet and gibbering incoherently. As if anyone would notice the difference.= =20 ;-) > Anyone else has some 80's songs you think KW can cover? Let us know..... Well... Liaisons Dangereuses' "Los Ni=F1os Del Parque", Mot=F6rhead's "Ace = Of Spades", Landscape's "Norman Bates"... Hmm, the latter might actually work, don't you think? - Anders Wahlbom | http://www.update.uu.se/~awahlbom/ (Finger for geek code) | http://www.cutoff.se/dss - NOW PLAYING: Einst=FCrzende Neubauten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Coen Rampen" Subject: RE: (kw) Newbie Date: 15 May 2000 16:33:37 +0200 Hi Lisa, Welcome to the list! I hope you enjoy your stay. > My friends would say, "How can you listen to this shit?" I've never eve= n met anyone > else in my life who likes them. I know exactly what you mean... Same here. > For the heck of it I just decided to look up some websites on them, and= I > see that there are albums that I'd never heard of. The sites made me f= eel > like I've been really out of it! Some fan, huh? :-) Never mind that, you'll have plenty of opportunity to catch up. Here's a list of their albums: - Organisation - Tone Float - Kraftwerk - Kraftwerk 2 - Ralf & Florian - Autobahn - Radio-Aktivit=E4t / Radio-Activity - Trans Europa Express / Trans-Europe Express - Die Mensch-Maschine / The Man-Machine - Computerwelt / Computer World - Tour De France (single) - Electric Cafe - The Mix - Expo2000 (single) A few notes: - Tone Float is an album (the only album actually) from the group Organisation, which featured H=FCtter and Schneider. It's not really a Kraftwerk album. - The next three albums are quite different from their later albums. The first four albums are not available on cd (not officially, that is). - Starting with Trans Europa Express / Trans-Europe Express all albums we= re released in two versions: one with German lyrics and one with English lyrics. - Tour De France (from 1983) has recently been re-issued on CD; you can still find it now. Good track too, btw. - Expo2000 is brand new! It's a song expanded from the jingle they compos= ed for the Expo. > I never followed them or > read anything about them. I'd just assumed they broke up years ago. Well, that's partially true. Between Electric Cafe (1986) and The Mix (19= 91) long-time members Karl Bartos and Wolfgang Fl=FCr left Kraftwerk. Ralf H=FC= tter and Florian Schneider are still at it, though. > If there's anything juicy out there you > think I missed and think I should get (videos, articles, etc.), > please tell > me. I have no idea what they're up to now. Thanks! Well, get some of the albums you don't have yet. :-) Try some of the big Internet music stores. You can get the German albums from BigBag (www.bigbag.de). They don't have to import them first, so they're a bit cheaper. Also, grab the Expo2000 single to stay current. There are a lot of cool MP3's of single remixes and live gigs floating around the net; get them if you can find them. If you are willing to download some big files, try this site for some cool videoclips: http://website.lineone.net/%7Emike.pitt/tdkmov.htm That should keep you busy for a while. :-) Greetz, Coen Rampen c.rampen@student.utwente.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sven Karlsson Subject: RE: (kw) Cover Songs Date: 15 May 2000 16:36:44 +0200 >Spades", Landscape's "Norman Bates"... Hmm, the latter might actually >work, don't you think? Didn't the swedish group Covenant actually cover that a few years ago? Not very "kraftwerkish" but anyway... Regards Sven # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wahlbom Subject: RE: (kw) Cover Songs Date: 15 May 2000 18:37:23 +0200 (MET DST) On Mon, 15 May 2000, Sven Karlsson wrote: > >Spades", Landscape's "Norman Bates"... Hmm, the latter might actually > >work, don't you think? > > Didn't the swedish group Covenant actually cover that a few years ago? Not > very "kraftwerkish" but anyway... They did indeed. I still think it could fit Kraftwerk's style... Anders Wahlbom | http://www.update.uu.se/~awahlbom/ (Finger for geek code) | http://www.cutoff.se/dss NOW PLAYING: Aviador Dro: "Himno Aereo" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: RE: (kw) Newbie Date: 15 May 2000 10:49:26 -0700 >A few notes: >- Tone Float is an album (the only album actually) from the group >Organisation, which featured H=FCtter and Schneider. It's not really a >Kraftwerk album. Organisation had a second album, but Ralf and Florian had left the group at that point. Thus, nobody has bothered to bootleg it. Also... Don't forget the "Concert Classics" disc, which is a live show from around 1975. It features tracks from "Autobahn," "Ralf & Florian," and "Kraftwerk 2". ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) It's-Cheaper-To-Import Date: 15 May 2000 21:15:02 +0200 On Thu, 11 May 2000 17:41:13 +0100, Richard Marston wrote: > >That new compilation album's already listed at Amazon -- cheaper if you= get >it from Italy for some reason. It's also priced under =A310 at www.cdzone.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re(2): (kw) Thaemlitz etc Date: 15 May 2000 22:10:07 +0200 CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com writes: > >In a message dated 5/13/00 9:58:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 >josefgabler@magnet.at writes: > ><< The homophobic outrage that we has seen on the mailinglist these last > >days=20 > >is a shame! >=20 Sorry Christian, that sentence wasn=B4t written by me. Check out the facts. =20 Regards ---josef # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: Re(2): (kw) Thaemlitz etc -This is off topic!!!!! Date: 15 May 2000 16:27:57 EDT In a message dated 5/15/00 4:11:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 josefgabler@magnet.at writes: << Sorry Christian, that sentence wasn=B4t written by me. Check out the facts. =20 Regards ---josef >> Then please forgive me. I'm not afraid to admit I made a mistake to everyone= !! Then this is directed to whom ever wrote this. S O R R Y Josef!!!!!!! Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re(2): Re(2): (kw) Thaemlitz etc -This is off topic!!!!! Date: 15 May 2000 22:29:17 +0200 CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 5/15/00 4:11:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 >josefgabler@magnet.at writes: > ><< Sorry Christian, > that sentence wasn=B4t written by me. > Check out the facts. > =20 > Regards > ---josef >> > >Then please forgive me. I'm not afraid to admit I made a mistake to >everyone!! >Then this is directed to whom ever wrote this. S O R R Y Josef!!!!!!! ACCEPT > > >Christian ---josef > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Martland" Subject: (kw) Stampa Alternativa/Sonic Book Date: 15 May 2000 21:31:44 +0100 For what it's worth here's a list of the currently available Sonic Books from Stampa Alternativa. Does anyone own any of these and if so what's the quality like? As for the Homophobia dialogue which seems to go on forever, I think Christian should ask himself this question; If someone on the list had posited the notion that Kraftwerk were influenced by soul or rap - would he have asked if he was the only white person on the list? Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Stampa Alternativa/Sonic Book Off topic!!!! Date: 15 May 2000 16:39:39 EDT In a message dated 5/15/00 4:30:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Paul.Martland@paulmartland.demon.co.uk writes: << As for the Homophobia dialogue which seems to go on forever, I think Christian should ask himself this question; If someone on the list had posited the notion that Kraftwerk were influenced by soul or rap - would he have asked if he was the only white person on the list? Paul >> *ROTFL*!!!!!:-)) That's a good one!!! I never said anything about KW being influenced by gays! I only asked if I were the only hetro. on this list after I read some of the mail on the list I didn't know! I was new to this list but know I see that it's for all KW fans! I wish you all would understand that I don't hate gays!!!! I have a gay uncle and I don't treat him any different. I only said I would feel a little uncomfortable, that's all!!!!!!! Then the next thing I know everyone's calling me a homophobe!! That just goes to show how some people assume too much!!!!!!!!!!!! :-) Christian :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: (kw) This is about KW !!!! An idea!!!! Date: 15 May 2000 16:48:31 EDT Would it be possable at some point in time for someone to maybe get any of the members of KW to make a guest apperence on this mailing list? Then again how could it be authenticated? Has anybody else had this idea?, Probably so Christian ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Stampa Alternativa/Sonic Book Date: 15 May 2000 13:46:41 -0700 >For what it's worth here's a list of the currently available Sonic Books >from Stampa Alternativa. Does anyone own any of these and if so what's the >quality like? Did you mean to include a list of Sonic Books with that message? Please do... I'm curious what else Stampa Alternativa has released... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Martland" Subject: (kw) Stampa Date: 15 May 2000 21:56:30 +0100 Sorry everyone forgot to post the link. http://www.stampalternativa.it/altre.htm Christian, hope I didn't offend. Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) This is about KW !!!! An idea!!!! Date: 15 May 2000 16:55:54 EDT In a message dated 5/15/00 4:53:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mark_Cline/New_York/Jack_Morton%JACK_MORTON@jackmorton.com writes: << perhaps they are already members! >> HHM? I wander? If they are do they ever respond to the questions? Christian ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Stampa Off topic responce Date: 15 May 2000 16:58:02 EDT In a message dated 5/15/00 4:55:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Paul.Martland@paulmartland.demon.co.uk writes: << Christian, hope I didn't offend. Paul >> No way Paul! It takes more then that to offend! Please don't think anything of it! Thank you for being mindful of me!!!:-) Christian :-))))) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Stampa Date: 15 May 2000 14:12:46 -0700 >http://www.stampalternativa.it/altre.htm The Captain Beefheart book+CD is pretty nice. The CD features him reading some of his poetry, and the book features his artwork, if memory serves me right. I'm very excited about the Kraftwerk book+CD. I wonder what the seven minute version of "Uranium" sounds like? Maybe it's similar to their "Radioactivity Suite" from the Computer World tour, which recites "Uranium," "The Voice Of Energy," and that poem "Die Sonne, Der Mond, Die Sterne". (Sorry if my German is terribly misspelled!) I really dig the vocoder voices from the Mix version of "Autobahn," so perhaps this new track will treat us to more of those great vocoded harmonies. ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam Read" Subject: Re: (kw) Stampa Date: 16 May 2000 07:32:32 +1000 There was a vinyl bootleg around a while ago called 'Kraftwerk - edition 3' which according to the tracklist found at http://www4.big.or.jp/~blanks/kraft/boots/frame/boot.html has the same tracklist as this new Italian CD. ---------- > From: Jason Polland > > I'm very excited about the Kraftwerk book+CD. I wonder what the seven > minute version of "Uranium" sounds like? Maybe it's similar to their > "Radioactivity Suite" from the Computer World tour, which recites > "Uranium," "The Voice Of Energy," and that poem "Die Sonne, Der Mond, Die > Sterne". (Sorry if my German is terribly misspelled!) I really dig the > vocoder voices from the Mix version of "Autobahn," so perhaps this new > track will treat us to more of those great vocoded harmonies. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) This is about KW !!!! An idea!!!! Date: 15 May 2000 17:58:11 EDT In a message dated 5/15/00 5:45:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, oh_jay@freenet.de writes: << btw : kw will always be a mystery & very enigmatic indeed !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) >> However, I do very much respect their privacy! I wouldn't want to be bothered all the time if I were famous (not that I think I would ever have this problem) I wouldn't want that either but just a little chat would be very kool!!!!! Christian :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: SV: (kw) This is about KW !!!! An idea!!!! Date: 15 May 2000 18:39:19 EDT In a message dated 5/15/00 6:34:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, folkvord@netcom.no writes: << I thought everyone knew that Klaus was Ralf? :-) glenn >> O.K. Are you serious! If so I'll just be under the nearest rock in humiliation! *LOL* Christian :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Newbie Date: 15 May 2000 18:57:07 EDT My friends would say, "How can you listen to this shit?" so I was always alone in it, I was in my own cocoon. Ditto's! I get teased by my brother all the time still! I just laugh and keep on playing KW! To me KW is the father of Electronic music and I will never get tired of KW!!!!!;-) Christian :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bob hill Subject: (kw) welcome newbie & OT Date: 15 May 2000 16:27:17 -0700 It would seem as though everyone our age growing up in the states went to a "heavy-metal" high ! Imagine that you are also a Devo & B-52's fan ! I have traveled the country to see both of them, and wondered if there were others on the list fond of these bands. If you are still following Devo, you should check out www.rhinohandmade.com They will soon be shipping a 42 song 2 cd set of alternate takes and songs that didn't make it onto record during their "warner Bros" years. I have already placed my order...... Enjoy the list ! - Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: (kw) 'a short introduction to KRAFTWERK' Date: 16 May 2000 10:40:07 +0100 I have just received a copy of this compilation album from MNS this morning. I'll write a more detailed review later, but at first glance the text appears to be a condensed version of the Pascal Bussey book, translated into Italian and back again to English (some grammatical errors and I've spotted a factual one I think).=20 Later today I'll post a scan of the cover at this address: http://www.egroups.com/files/kraftwerkfans/ Unfortunately the insides of the book(let) aren't anything to get excited about: boring layout; only 5 photographs (most of which I've seen before); the discography isn't complete (e.g. doesn't list the Spanish language Electric Caf=E9, French Trans Europe Express, or the French/German red vinyl Man Machine releases) though the singles part seems very thorough; I bet some members of this list could do a better job, especially on the bootleg section. Interestingly the Tribal Gathering CD (KTG.001) is listed under promo material and not with the other bootlegs -- maybe it's semi-official then.=20 K. Busby will be pleased to see his website is the only one listed in the internet section! :) Briefly about music: tracks sound like they've been re-mastered from acetates as there's some crackle. I'll listen a bit longer before I write anything about the tracks. Annoyingly, there is no listing of the CD's contents in the book! :) http://www.penguin.co.uk ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) 'a short introduction to KRAFTWERK' Date: 16 May 2000 11:55:46 +0000 Richard Marston wrote: > > I have just received a copy of this compilation album from MNS this morning. I didn't mention MNS in my email, but that's where I got my copy too. I have raised the matter with them and they are looking into it seriously. There will be news soon, I think; in the meantime, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. I think they were misadvised. > K. Busby will be pleased to see his website is the only one listed in the > internet section! :) It was the links page, so in a way, everyone else's site is listed too. ;-) (I have more URLS to add - will do so ASAP). Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: (kw) The Emperor's new clothes? Date: 16 May 2000 12:53:51 +0100 Are these recordings for real or are they somebody elses mixes masquerading as Kraftwerk material? The fact is that the structure of the mixes is so unKraftwerk, both in terms of the actual sound colours and the structures of the pieces (very open ended, going nowhere in a kind of assymmetric way); also there is a distinct difference between the sound quality of the recognizable and unfamiliar elements in the mixes: often the former is in mono, the latter stereo or with a degree of separation across both channels giving a punchier sound -- exactly as if someones's sampled KW's tracks and overlayed their own percussion and basslines. That said, I rather like track 6 (Uranium), not that I believe Ralf&Flo have much to do with it. Somebody prove me wrong, please. http://www.penguin.co.uk ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: FW: (kw) 'a short introduction to KRAFTWERK' Date: 16 May 2000 13:16:54 +0100 > ---------- > From: Richard Marston > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 12:19 pm > To: 'Kevin Busby' > Subject: RE: (kw) 'a short introduction to KRAFTWERK' > > Kevin, do you think these recordings are authentic? I'm suspicious of that > 'Model' demo somehow... Oh well, more topics for the list, I suppose... > > BTW, I meant you would be pleased to see your site listed -- not pleased > that others aren't. :) > > R. > > http://www.penguin.co.uk ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cancerperson" Subject: (kw) CDDB kw oddness Date: 16 May 2000 08:23:34 -0500 I'm getting ready for work atm, and so I tossed my English language copy of "the mix" into the ol' cdrom. When my ATi cd player came up, it connected to the CDDB as it normally does....but! I guess they don't have different track listings for CD's that came in two languages, because all the track titles are in German... just kinda noticed this. -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s: a-- C+++ UL P+ L++ E---- W+ N++ o- K w M- V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5- X++ R+ tv b+++ DI++ D++ G e>++ h! r-->++ y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.omn.net/~kpbloke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Victor Subject: (kw) A short introduction to Kraftwerk Date: 16 May 2000 11:22:31 -0300 Brazilian news: http://www.globo.com/diversaoarte/arquivo/musica/20000515/4k8l7x.htm -- Victor vh@urbi.com.br http://www.urbi.com.br/users/vh # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) This is about KW !!!! An idea!!!! Date: 16 May 2000 07:47:33 -0700 Christian wrote: >Would it be possable at some point in time for someone to maybe get >any of the members of KW to make a guest apperence on this mailing >list? Not long ago, an ex-member (he was a robot) droped a few lines on this list. Speaking of which... does anybody know who Dr. Ugly is? Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "CAPUTO, LISA (X75918)" Subject: (kw) New CD Date: 16 May 2000 10:58:10 -0400 Where will the Americans be ordering this from? Would you kindly let me know how you went about it and how much the total cost came out to. Thank you. Lisa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Markowski Subject: Re: (kw) New CD Date: 16 May 2000 11:13:22 -0400 On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 10:58:10AM -0400, "CAPUTO, LISA (X75918)" wrote: > > Where will the Americans be ordering this from? Would you kindly let me > know how you went about it and how much the total cost came out to. Thank > you. http://www.cdzone.co.uk is the cheapest place I've found so far. With shipping, it comes out to around US $15. Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Power" Subject: (kw) I CAN believe it's not Hutter (Or Schneider) Date: 16 May 2000 17:45:04 +0100 Well, well, well. My excitement of receiving that Inroduction to KW from Music-Non-Stop.co.uk rapidly turned to massive disappointment of Rosanne Arnold proportions this morning as soon as I popped the CD in the player. The 2 "demos" of Hall of Mirrors and Das Modell sound exactly as if the originals have been put though a filter and a tack beat box(and a few other bits) have been overdubbed on top. This is going to sound horrible ....but a lot of the tracks seem to be as if Komputer had decided to fart about in the studio and throw in some KW samples for a laugh. The bigest question for me sems to be: Why do all the tracks have what sounds like vinyl noise on them? Even the stuff reported as being offcuts from the Mix sessions have this on (despite being recorded digitally??). Surely R&F didn't send a vinyl acetate for mastering? I think if these were genuine selections by the robotmen, I think the next release we might get could well be Ralf farting info a microphone while Florian's robovox recites "Deutchland Uber Alles." Sorry for this lurker-ramble, but I felt I had to say something :-) As a final thought....if this release is official, why do they include the trans-litigation-expess of Wolfgangs book in the biblioography? Hmmmm....somethings fishy is going on here methinks! Ta ta for now Alien Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Power" Subject: (kw) Fw: New Kraftwerk Release Date: 16 May 2000 17:52:36 +0100 Just rechecked my mail and found this interesting message from MNS.co.uk >Hi there > >It has come to our attention that the new Kraftwerk CD/Book "A Short >Introduction To Kraftwerk" is a OFFICIAL Sonic Books release of what may be >previously released bootleg material, and not new unearthed studio tracks as >was originally told to us and passed on to you. All the information we >received on this release was taken from a reputable, reliable source and was >passed on in good faith to Kraftwerk fans. If never has or will be MNS' >intention to mislead, as this statement confirms. > >Your order has now been dispatched. If you have any reservations at all >about this item, please do not hesitate to get in touch. > >Kind regards >Phil >MNS > The stench of fishy goings on is now unbearable Ta ta for now Alien dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: FW: (kw) I CAN believe it's not Hutter (Or Schneider) Date: 16 May 2000 17:57:06 +0100 It's a shoddy piece of work all through. People wanting an intro to KW's music would be better off spending their money on Pascal Bussy's book. PS The footnote on the copyright page made me laugh: "The publisher is at the disposal of all parties involved for any aspect falling within his competences". 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) I CAN believe it's not Hutter (Or Schneider) Date: 16 May 2000 10:52:16 -0700 >The bigest question for me sems to be: Why do all the >tracks have what sounds like vinyl noise on them? Even the stuff reported as >being offcuts from the Mix sessions have this on (despite being recorded >digitally??). Surely R&F didn't send a vinyl acetate for mastering? As Adam Read pointed out earlier, there exists a vinyl bootleg with an identical track listing, called "Edition 3". It can be viewed at: http://www4.big.or.jp/~blanks/kraft/boots/frame/boot.html Hmm... That information about copyright expiration DID seem a bit suspicious... The press release referred to the tracks as all being 20 years old, even though many are supposedly from "The Mix". I already put in my order at Amazon.co.uk, but it has a 4-6 week availability. Perhaps they put it on hold to investigate its legitimacy as well? ---Jason Polland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Martland" Subject: (kw) A short intro Date: 16 May 2000 19:01:51 +0100 I feel deflated. It just goes to show how lax the copyright laws are in Italy. Shoddy, Shoddy, Shoddy Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: (kw) More thoughts about bootlegs Date: 16 May 2000 11:07:13 -0700 Another idea that has occured to me: I wonder if Kraftwerk are responsible for any of their bootlegs? This is a conspiracy-theory idea, but entertain it for a moment... Imagine that Ralf and Florian DID want to reissue their first three albums, but had some legal problem or wouldn't be able to earn any money from it. So, they master one of their clean vinyl copies and put it out secretly. It always seemed strange to me that there were two (well, three now) CD bootleg issues of the early albums. The versions with the bonus tracks were badly mastered, but the Germanofone versions sound great, and the bootleggers were very careful to faithfully reproduce the album art. Doesn't it seem odd that two different bootleggers would put out those albums simultaniously? Plus, Germanofon issued "Ralf & Florian" with the comic book reproduction, whereas the shoddy bootleggers issued "Tone Float"... An album that KW probably wouldn't be interested in reissuing anyway. I'm not trying to start any wild rumors here... But I do wonder about such things... :> ---Jason Polland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Mail problems -> Resent email Date: 16 May 2000 19:53:55 +0000 The Kraftwerk email list server seems to be ignoring me today. Had it been playing ball, you would all have known a bit more about 'An Introduction to Kraftwerk' 11 hours ago! I'll resend all my emails - with my apologies if you now get the info twice. Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) 'a short introduction to KRAFTWERK' (resend) Date: 16 May 2000 19:55:02 +0000 Richard Marston wrote: > > I have just received a copy of this compilation album from MNS this morning. I didn't mention MNS in my email, but that's where I got my copy too. I have raised the matter with them and they are looking into it seriously. There will be news soon, I think; in the meantime, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. I think they were misadvised. > K. Busby will be pleased to see his website is the only one listed in the > internet section! :) It was the links page, so in a way, everyone else's site is listed too. ;-) (I have more URLS to add - will do so ASAP). Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) A short intro Date: 16 May 2000 20:54:03 +0200 On Tue, 16 May 2000 19:01:51 +0100, Paul Martland wrote: >the copyright laws are in >Italy. > Do you know that many or most of the bootlegs are made or printed in Italy? So, it's not surprising after al... What I don't understand is , how can they make so much publicity on Web sites (Even the NME have published it!) I have still ordered my copy but I know that It may be disappointing. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "CAPUTO, LISA (X75918)" Subject: RE: (kw) Mail problems -> Resent email Date: 16 May 2000 14:55:49 -0400 I sent this earlier but I don't think it went through. Oh, and I think I might not be getting that new release. I think I'll go by your recommendations! *** Sorry for the non-KW message, but I thought some of you might be interested in listening to this radio station that plays some 80s alternative (it was my favorite station during my teen years on Long Island, NY. Ah, how I loved radio back then. *sigh*). I'm so upset because they had an awesome 80s flashback lunch hour that I listened to at my desk at work every day and they recently discontinued it! The music was really good (i.e, omd, killing joke, depeche mode, yaz, clash, costello, new order, B-52s, etc. -- not Cyndi Lauper, etc.). It was great, it was like being in high school again for an hour each day, just how radio used to be. They claim that they still play a lot of 80s stuff, but I don't get into the office until 9:30 so I haven't heard the show yet. For those of you who are interested, it's at www.wlir.com/ You could request some Kraftwerk! If anyone knows of any other 80s-oriented radio shows, please let me know. Thanks. Lisa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) 'a short introduction to KRAFTWERK' Date: 16 May 2000 20:02:19 +0000 Richard Marston wrote: > > I have just received a copy of this compilation album from MNS this morning. I didn't mention MNS in my email, but that's where I got my copy too. I have raised the matter with them and they are looking into it seriously. There will be news soon, I think; in the meantime, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. I think they were misadvised. > K. Busby will be pleased to see his website is the only one listed in the > internet section! :) It was the links page, so in a way, everyone else's site is listed too. ;-) (I have more URLS to add - will do so ASAP). Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) More thoughts about bootlegs Date: 16 May 2000 20:57:29 +0200 Your point is interesting. The strange thing about these Germanofon boots is that they were available, at least in France, in very respectable record stores. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: (kw) Ayone going to Roskilde Festival 2000? Date: 16 May 2000 20:58:01 +0200 (CEST) Hey all I was wondering if any of you guys (most likely the european) are going to Roskilde Festival? If so, iI thought that it would be interesting to see the persons behind the names.. I'm working at Roskilde Festival, and my working place will, most likely, be backstage guard @ Tech 1 or Tech 2. Kaspar D. Larsen ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Få en gratis @yahoo.dk-adresse på http://mail.yahoo.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) W*rk*ng ar**nd br*k*n l*st Date: 16 May 2000 20:38:43 +0000 See http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/broken/1 http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/broken/2 http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/broken/3 ... ta # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: (kw) Who's going to Roskilde Festival 2000? Date: 16 May 2000 23:12:19 +0200 (CEST) A bit off topic perhaps, but are any of you guys going to Roskilde Festival 2000? I sure would like a face to put on the names, and since Kraftwerk played there 2 years ago (my first KW experience BTW) it would be great to remember those moments once again. Since I'll be working @ Roskilde Festival I will have acces to the festival site before any of public audience will.. Another thing is, that I will be working as a guard @ Tech 1 or 2 (techno stages) Kaspar D. Larsen ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Få en gratis @yahoo.dk-adresse på http://mail.yahoo.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johannes Subject: (kw) Hi everybody Date: 16 May 2000 23:40:39 +0200 Hello folks! Seems that am new at this list, I'm from sweden and... enough of that. In the disscussion about the bootlegs of the first 4 albums I have a question, what about the "new" (maybe they are not so new) releases of them, I have the Germanofon versions, but some months ago I saw them released again in some italy version, "crow records". Are these official or yet another bootleg version? The sound quality sounds better than the germanofons with lesser surface noise, but the Cover printings are worse. And if they are "bootleg" why thus so many record stores have them? (here in sweden that is) //Johannes # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sarahgri@interlog.com Subject: (kw) Please help... if you have a moment! Date: 16 May 2000 17:29:05 -0500 Hello all! Sorry I haven't said anything in a while - I have a pile of Kraftwerk digests to wade through! Anyway, the reason for this message is a request for any hardcore fans out there to grant me some insight into all the Kraftwerk songs that have been sampled (and by whom), and a list of major artists/songs that have ripped off the Dusseldorfian quartet. I'm doing a project on them for my media class in school, and although I have the Pascal Bussy book, I'd also like more recent information and perhaps some deeper, fan-based insight. And was it Schumann who wrote the 'Merry Peasant'? Sorry, I can't remember. I'd like to talk about that and how much it sounds like 'Airwaves'. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Kling Klang! -Sarah :-) ____________________________________________________________________________ __ _ //\\/__ \ \ There's nothing more uplifting than listening \_ //__\\ /\\/\ to 'Trans Europe Express' whilst riding along // \ /__\\ \ on the subway, jumping from train car to train /___ / \ car... try it! / / # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "massimotorik" Subject: (kw) Hello Date: 17 May 2000 00:05:45 +0100 Hi all, I just joined the list and I'm really glad I did before splashing out on 'that' CD. What a shame... On a similar subject I've just received a white label of three (housey / electro) remixes of Expo 2000 by Abe Duque. Does anyone have any information on these? Were they comissioned and then not released? Who is Abe Duque? If you haven't seen this record, don't worry - the mixes ain't a patch on the Kraftwerk originals (surprise, surprise). Cheers, Massimo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Eurovision Song Contest (again) Date: 15 May 2000 03:55:54 -0700 (PDT) While on the topic of ESC2K, I would just like to add that the videoscreens (although one too many and a bit more mobile) made me a bit KW-nostalgic... :u) So, can anyone else think of any more ways KW might have influenced this event? / Christofer --- Christofer Bernander Tfn: 0708-116000 http://www.alienoid.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lpmj@att.net Date: 15 May 2000 07:00:33 +0000 In a message dated 5/13/00 9:58:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, josefgabler@magnet.at writes: << The homophobic outrage that we has seen on the mailinglist these last >days What would you media-controlled idiots do without the word "homophobe"??? Just because a person doesn't have your positive view of homosexuality, you have to scream "homophobe". Have you ever heard of freedom of thought and speech? How about freedom of religion? What if a person's religious beliefs tells them homosexuality is WRONG and UNNATURAL and a SIN??? In your eyes, is a person allowed to hold those opinions? For the time being, here in America, we still have freedom of speech, no matter how hard the media tries to control our behaviour by deciding what is and isn't acceptable beliefs and speech. I don't know where YOU live, but why not move to Cuba or some other rat hole where you can't speak your mind. You'd fit right in...until YOU were the one being insulted and shouted down for YOUR beliefs. As long as I'm on a roll here...I'd rather NOT know the sexual preferences of Kraftwerk because, if I found out one or all were homosexuals, my opinion of them would drop dramatically. If you don't like that, you can shove it. Gary # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Sources ??? Date: 15 May 2000 13:01:02 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 7:35 AM > El Doctore Jones posted : > > >>>>>>"... new kw album 2 be released in july / aug. 2000 ! +++ workin' > >>>>>>title so far : "network" ! +++ kw will play @ expo 2000 after > >>>>>>releasin' the album in sept. 2000 ! +++ possibly even more concer= ts in > >>>>>>2000 & 2001 ! +++" > > > Who are your sources ? well ... i dreamed about kw doin' this !!! *LOL* ;-))) okay ! jus' kiddin' !!! SORRY !!! my source is a guy called ( prof. ) florian schneider-esleben !!! ;-) maybe u'll remember him as beein' part of the legendary electronic (dance)music pioneers from d=FCsseldorf in germany called kraftwerk , eh !?!?!? *slyest_grin_u_can_imagine* ;-) > Just curious. :-) > > - Josh > Mr. Telex - "Data Mensch" > ICQ # 42651237 > AOL IM - Neurovision 7 > > "At first, it would seem to you that it is all too good to be true; tha= t you > will be ravaged in the end. But as time lingers forward, the eyes of yo= ur > soul will slowly be opened and the light in your heart will shine forth the > beginning of a new dawn. Know now that the words that have been uttered= in > your presence are indeed that of the truth. " > - Circle In The Square *hehehe* ;-))) that's a nice little "story" !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) a.k.a. el doctore jones ;-) or the "incredible" micronaut ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: RE: (kw) Essential New Kraftwerk Release Date: 15 May 2000 21:12:44 +0200 On Thu, 11 May 2000 12:00:01 +0200, Der Automat wrote: >I think this record is NOT official at all. Almost every bootlegs claim to >be official "Kling Klang / EMI Produkt" or so. >I'm very sceptic with all these ads. I'm afraid you are right... Even if it's advertized in many Web sites : dotmusic.com, etc.... also, read the following article posted in alt.music.kraftwerk. Newsgroups: alt.music.kraftwerk Sorry I want to tell you that I have the "short introduction cd" now (not "no") and I`am absolutely sure, that the material is KRAFTWERK, but the versions are not by KRAFTWERK. The CD has not a very good sound and you can hear vinyl-scrates between the songs!!! Very sad Thorsten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JL Jones" Subject: Re: (kw) Cover Songs Date: 15 May 2000 11:09:32 -0400 Would love to hear KW's take on (this may sound oh-so-obvious, but why not?) NewOrder's Blue Monday... :op /home/lunarpark-1/Jim J. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 10:29 AM On Sun, 14 May 2000, Jason Kiplinger wrote: > I wish KW would do a bunch of cover songs from some 80's Industrial ban= ds > like "Smothered Hope" By Skinny Puppy (1984) and "Everyday Is Halloween= " By > Ministry (1984). Ohhh Well, i guess i'll keep on dreaming. I have dreams like that sometimes, such as Skinny Puppy doing Enya's "Orinoco Flow" or Enya covering "Der Mussolini". I usually wake up soakin= g wet and gibbering incoherently. As if anyone would notice the difference. ;-) > Anyone else has some 80's songs you think KW can cover? Let us know..... Well... Liaisons Dangereuses' "Los Ni=F1os Del Parque", Mot=F6rhead's "Ac= e Of Spades", Landscape's "Norman Bates"... Hmm, the latter might actually work, don't you think? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Romulus Giovanni" Subject: (kw) Russian in Numbers Date: 15 May 2000 20:40:43 GMT Hey Guys, I think (though I'm not sure) that in "Numbers" at the very end where they are counting 1-2-3 in Russian, they are actually saying "ritz dva tri" rather than "aydjin dva tri". Zamir ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) This is about KW !!!! An idea!!!! Date: 15 May 2000 23:44:38 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 10:48 PM > Would it be possable at some point in time for someone to maybe get any of > the members of KW to make a guest apperence on this mailing list? Then again > how could it be authenticated? Has anybody else had this idea?, Probably so > > Christian ;-) hi chris ! "somebody" of "them" is still on this mailin' list i suppose !!! ;-) but if u ask about authentication ... well ... DON'T ASK ME !!! *hehehe* ;-))) btw : kw will always be a mystery & very enigmatic indeed !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Newbie Date: 16 May 2000 02:30:49 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 4:00 PM > I am brand new to this list. I'll introduce myself. My name is Lisa, I'm > 33 years old. hi lisa !!! ;-) u r 1 of the few "girls" here i suppose !!! ;-))) so WELCOME 2 THIS LIST !!! ;-) i sincerely hope u'll enjoy your stay here !!! ;-) btw : my nickname or pseudonym here is oh jay a.k.a. micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ( i'm a mail ... err ... male ROBOT !!! ;-))) i'm 33 ( rpm !!! ;-))) years old 2 & from a state & town called bremen in northern germany !!! ;-) > I've been listening to Kraftwerk since I was in junior high > school. I bought my first Kraftwerk album (Computer World) in 10th grade, > although I'd heard them on the radio (Trans Europe Express) years before > that. They've always been one of my faves (and I don't like that much music > out there -- for being such a huge music fan I have a small CD collection). > I've always been very selective (I really wore out my B-52s & Devo albums, > too). I went to a "heavy metal" high school, and no one else liked this > stuff (I'm not exaggerating). My friends would say, "How can you listen to > this shit?" so I was always alone in it, I was in my own cocoon. I guess > it's different these days, "alternative" was truly underground then, but > it's all anyone would listen to these days. Anyway, I've always thought > Kraftwerk were geniuses. I get into a Kraftwerk phase maybe once a year. > It's transcendental. I've been blasting their CDs in my car for weeks. > They'll always be very special to me, I still need to listen to them after > all this time. There's nothing like it (is there?). They are so brilliant. > I'm glad I found this list, so I can finally "express" to someone how I feel > about them. That might sound corny. I've never even met anyone else in my > life who likes them. > > For the heck of it I just decided to look up some websites on them, and I > see that there are albums that I'd never heard of. The sites made me feel > like I've been really out of it! Some fan, huh? I never followed them or > read anything about them. I'd just assumed they broke up years ago. I > guess I simply just purchased what I found in the bins in the commercial > record stores over the years. That is the only way I "kept up" with them. > I never even heard them on the radio ever again (I was a teen in NY last > time I heard them on the radio). If there's anything juicy out there you > think I missed and think I should get (videos, articles, etc.), please tell > me. I have no idea what they're up to now. Thanks! write me back if u like & i'll tell u more about my kw experience !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: R: (kw) This is about KW !!!! An idea!!!! Date: 16 May 2000 08:00:29 +0200 Actually, on Oct 20, 1997, someone pretending to be Florian Schneider posted this message to the list: ---quote--- KLING KLANG ---end quote--- causing a flood of excitement and scepticism as for example: - That's all you have to say?? When will the new album be - released? =3D) - well, i think the first question in this case is, how can we we proof - that this person is really Florian Schneider ? - WELCOME TO THE LIST, FLORIAN. YOU JUST CAN'T BELIEVE HOW HAPPY WE ARE - THAT YOU HAVE JOINED OUR LIST. WE HOPE YOU WILL ENJOY IT. - Do u really think that is our real Florian Schneider? - I think that is only a joke of someone. - I=B4m sure that THEY read this mail list but they - never join to the list using a hotmail freemail. - If I was as famous as Florian, I would *never* use my real email - address for public. - Can ANYone actually believe this is REALLY Florian Schneider- or just a - cruel joke from a "fan" to give us all a massive heart attack?? - I for one think it's really Florian posting to the list in a way that - some doubts still remain. Very KW in style. And so on... ciao, *luca* > Would it be possable at some point in time for someone to maybe get any= of > the members of KW to make a guest apperence on this mailing list? Then again > how could it be authenticated? Has anybody else had this idea? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Review: 'A Short Introduction to Kraftwerk' Date: 16 May 2000 09:53:52 +0000 Adam Read wrote: > There was a vinyl bootleg around a while ago called 'Kraftwerk - edition 3' > which according to the tracklist found at > http://www4.big.or.jp/~blanks/kraft/boots/frame/boot.html > has the same tracklist as this new Italian CD. Hi Adam, well spotted. I received my copy of 'A Short Introduction to Kraftwerk' this morning, and gave it a quick listen. A quick listen was enough to tell that it was a collection of poor quality remixes, complete with record surface noise; and now I know from which LP the record company rerecorded it. Here's what you get (IMHO): (1) 'It's More Fun to Compute' Quite an imaginative remix. A vocoded voice intones 'L'homme machine' throughout most of the track: this is the sort of thing amateur remixers do, not Kraftwerk. Vinyl noise at end. (2) 'Kristallo' Kraftwerk's rhythms and sounds has become so stereotyped that it's easy for a remixer to knock up a sound-alike track. This one samples part of 'Kristallo' and adds a vocoded voice repeating the word "Kraftwerrrrk". Cheese. Vinyl noise. (3) 'Autobahn' A sample from the original introduces a lurching rhythm. This is manifestly not how Ralf & Florian handle their old works. (4) 'Showroom Dummies' Cheap drum machine sounds (unlike any sound Kraftwerk would stoop to use) introduce a sample of the original - which is at a different tempo! Towards the end the volume suddenly shoots up into distortion, then is quickly faded out. A disgustingly inept "remix" which probably took ten minutes to throw together. (5) 'Radioactivity' A standard techno, not technopop, riff introduces samples from the original. Boring in the extreme. A clumsy fade-out, followed by record clicks and hum. (6) 'Uranium' An uninspired ambient techno piece which samples Kraftwerk's track of the same name. (7) 'The Model' A horribly equalised sample from 'The Model' plus a dissonant riff utterly unlike anything by Kraftwerk. I haven't waded through all of the 84-page booklet, so will withhold comments on that for the moment. All credit to them for having the taste to include the URL of my links page ;-D but the FAQ will have to be upgraded to reflect that this CD is emphatically _not_ the collection of "previously unreleased NEW version[s] of 7 Kraftwerk classics, never before heard on any album or compilation! 45 minutes of EXCLUSIVE versions of timeless classics"... Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dirk jan müller" Subject: (kw) "new" KW-release Date: 16 May 2000 11:32:36 CEST Some said the tracks on the "new KW-release" are the same as on the edition-3 Bootleg. They are also in the same order. Therefor these versions are not by KW?!? useless crap? Can someone put mp3-samples of some tracks to the net, so we can verify this before buying? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: Re: (kw) 'a short introduction to KRAFTWERK' Date: 16 May 2000 11:51:31 +0200 I'm really interested to know about the tracklisting. /aw # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: (kw) is it real? Date: 16 May 2000 12:46:03 GMT >From what you two (Kevin and Richard) have said already, you don't sound too hopeful that this is a genuine article. Particularly Richards last post about the songs sounding unfinished/going nowhere. I have a theory - perhaps these are tracks emi rejected, although they still owned them, which is why they have been unlreleasable for so long. I am thinking that, of course, these tracks are 'for real', as I don't wish to dash my hopes too soon! I wait expectantly for my copy, so I cannot make any first-hand observations yet, but consider my proposition. If you compare, for example, the demo of music-non-stop, with the original, one can hear vague similarities with the one we are familiar with, but it also has these qualities you speak of - poor quality (damn, repetition) and a focus which is non-descript. I'm probably just babbling in the hope that I find the answer amongst my rambling, talking, talking. I'm talking.... urm Comments welcome ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) FW: New Kraftwerk Release Date: 16 May 2000 15:27:07 +0000 I understand MNS is still looking into this. In the meantime they have very responsibly sent out the following email to customers (reproduced here with MNS's permission). NB: I have no connection with MNS: email them (not me) at the address below if you are concerned about an order you placed. Kevin ---------- > From: "Music Non Stop Sales" > Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:54:08 +0100 > To: > Subject: New Kraftwerk Release > > Hi there > > It has come to our attention that the new Kraftwerk CD/Book "A Short > Introduction To Kraftwerk" is a OFFICIAL Sonic Books release of what may be > previously released bootleg material, and not new unearthed studio tracks as > was originally told to us and passed on to you. All the information we > received on this release was taken from a reputable, reliable source and was > passed on in good faith to Kraftwerk fans. If never has or will be MNS' > intention to mislead, as this statement confirms. > > Your order has now been dispatched. If you have any reservations at all > about this item, please do not hesitate to get in touch. > > Kind regards > Phil > MNS > > Music Non Stop Ltd > PO Box 248 > Worcester > WR2 5ZG > ENGLAND > sales@music-non-stop.co.uk > http://www.music-non-stop.co.uk > Tel/Fax :- +44(0)1905 773549 > Mon-Thur : 10am - 8pm (UK) > Friday : 10am - 6pm (UK) > (24hr Answer Phone) > Alternative/Electro/Indie/Industrial/Techno/General Electronica > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Sundkvist" Subject: Re: (kw) CDDB kw oddness Date: 16 May 2000 15:54:46 CEST >I guess they don't have different track listings for CD's that came in two >languages, because all the track titles are in German... Well, all my KW albums have passed the CDDB without any problems. I think it depends on which server you are connected to. I can check which address I'm using. Wait... /Erik ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "CAPUTO, LISA (X75918)" Subject: (kw) 80s new wave/alt. Date: 16 May 2000 13:25:38 -0400 Sorry for the non-KW message, but I thought some of you might be interested in listening to this radio station that plays some 80s alternative (it was my favorite station during my teen years on Long Island, NY. Ah, how I loved radio back then. *sigh*). I'm so upset because they had an awesome 80s flashback lunch hour that I listened to at my desk at work every day and they recently discontinued it! The music was really good (i.e, omd, killing joke, depeche mode, yaz, clash, costello, new order, B-52s, etc. -- not Cyndi Lauper, etc.). It was great, it was like being in high school again for an hour each day, just how radio used to be. They claim that they still play a lot of 80s stuff, but I don't get into the office until 9:30 so I haven't heard the show yet. For those of you who are interested, it's at www.wlir.com/ You could request some Kraftwerk! If anyone knows of any other 80s-oriented radio shows, please let me know. Thanks. Lisa -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 12:09 PM Dear Lisa: She's on 6a to 10a. Fifty-fifty on 80s vs. 90s and currents. Gary -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 11:40 AM Thanks. Sorry to be a pain, but what time does she go on and off? What is the ratio of new/old? I'm very disappointed that there no longer is an 80s flashback hour. Thanks again. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 11:33 AM Malibu Sue is now on in the mornings, playing requests and lots of Eighties music. Gary Cee WLIR -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 6:13 AM Lisa flashback/80s lcaputo@hklaw.com What happened to the 80s flashback hour? When is the best time to listen to 80s music now? *Please* respond! Thx! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) FW: New Kraftwerk Release Date: 16 May 2000 17:28:04 +0000 I understand MNS is still looking into this. In the meantime they have very responsibly sent out the following email to customers (reproduced here with MNS's permission). NB: I have no connection with MNS: email them (not me) at the address below if you are concerned about an order you placed. Kevin ---------- > From: "Music Non Stop Sales" > Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:54:08 +0100 > To: > Subject: New Kraftwerk Release > > Hi there > > It has come to our attention that the new Kraftwerk CD/Book "A Short > Introduction To Kraftwerk" is a OFFICIAL Sonic Books release of what may be > previously released bootleg material, and not new unearthed studio tracks as > was originally told to us and passed on to you. All the information we > received on this release was taken from a reputable, reliable source and was > passed on in good faith to Kraftwerk fans. If never has or will be MNS' > intention to mislead, as this statement confirms. > > Your order has now been dispatched. If you have any reservations at all > about this item, please do not hesitate to get in touch. > > Kind regards > Phil > MNS > > Music Non Stop Ltd > PO Box 248 > Worcester > WR2 5ZG > ENGLAND > sales@music-non-stop.co.uk > http://www.music-non-stop.co.uk > Tel/Fax :- +44(0)1905 773549 > Mon-Thur : 10am - 8pm (UK) > Friday : 10am - 6pm (UK) > (24hr Answer Phone) > Alternative/Electro/Indie/Industrial/Techno/General Electronica > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank X. Cordero" Subject: (kw) New Kraftwerk Release (Scratchwerk!) Date: 16 May 2000 10:13:50 PDT Just received my "A Short Introduction to Kraftwerk" and all I can say is..... HISSSSsss, BOOM, Pop! HISSSSsss, BOOM, Pop! HISSSsss, BOOM, Pop! The sound of vinyl disturbs me. Maybe I ordered the wrong copy......"A False Introduction to SCRATCHWERK!" DJFRANKX http://members.tripod.com/DJFRANKX/index.html ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JL Jones" Subject: Re: (kw) Fw: New Kraftwerk Release Date: 16 May 2000 13:29:08 -0400 ** cough, cough ** -- scam -- ** cough, cough ** -- scam someone on ebay could prolly do a better job, from the accounts I've been reading.. ho boy!! "it was always special, it was like water down the drain..." /work/blauermontag/Jim J. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 12:52 PM > > Just rechecked my mail and found this interesting message from MNS.co.uk > > > >Hi there > > > >It has come to our attention that the new Kraftwerk CD/Book "A Short > >Introduction To Kraftwerk" is a OFFICIAL Sonic Books release of what may be > >previously released bootleg material, and not new unearthed studio tracks > as > >was originally told to us and passed on to you. All the information we > >received on this release was taken from a reputable, reliable source and > was > >passed on in good faith to Kraftwerk fans. If never has or will be MNS' > >intention to mislead, as this statement confirms. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) FW: New Kraftwerk Release (resend) Date: 16 May 2000 19:55:07 +0000 I understand MNS is still looking into this. In the meantime they have very responsibly sent out the following email to customers (reproduced here with MNS's permission). NB: I have no connection with MNS: email them (not me) at the address below if you are concerned about an order you placed. Kevin ---------- > From: "Music Non Stop Sales" > Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:54:08 +0100 > To: > Subject: New Kraftwerk Release > > Hi there > > It has come to our attention that the new Kraftwerk CD/Book "A Short > Introduction To Kraftwerk" is a OFFICIAL Sonic Books release of what may be > previously released bootleg material, and not new unearthed studio tracks as > was originally told to us and passed on to you. All the information we > received on this release was taken from a reputable, reliable source and was > passed on in good faith to Kraftwerk fans. If never has or will be MNS' > intention to mislead, as this statement confirms. > > Your order has now been dispatched. If you have any reservations at all > about this item, please do not hesitate to get in touch. > > Kind regards > Phil > MNS > > Music Non Stop Ltd > PO Box 248 > Worcester > WR2 5ZG > ENGLAND > sales@music-non-stop.co.uk > http://www.music-non-stop.co.uk > Tel/Fax :- +44(0)1905 773549 > Mon-Thur : 10am - 8pm (UK) > Friday : 10am - 6pm (UK) > (24hr Answer Phone) > Alternative/Electro/Indie/Industrial/Techno/General Electronica > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Review: 'A Short Introduction to Kraftwerk' Date: 16 May 2000 20:02:19 +0000 Adam Read wrote: > There was a vinyl bootleg around a while ago called 'Kraftwerk - edition 3' > which according to the tracklist found at > http://www4.big.or.jp/~blanks/kraft/boots/frame/boot.html > has the same tracklist as this new Italian CD. Hi Adam, well spotted. I received my copy of 'A Short Introduction to Kraftwerk' this morning, and gave it a quick listen. A quick listen was enough to tell that it was a collection of poor quality remixes, complete with record surface noise; and now I know from which LP the record company rerecorded it. Here's what you get (IMHO): (1) 'It's More Fun to Compute' Quite an imaginative remix. A vocoded voice intones 'L'homme machine' throughout most of the track: this is the sort of thing amateur remixers do, not Kraftwerk. Vinyl noise at end. (2) 'Kristallo' Kraftwerk's rhythms and sounds has become so stereotyped that it's easy for a remixer to knock up a sound-alike track. This one samples part of 'Kristallo' and adds a vocoded voice repeating the word "Kraftwerrrrk". Cheese. Vinyl noise. (3) 'Autobahn' A sample from the original introduces a lurching rhythm. This is manifestly not how Ralf & Florian handle their old works. (4) 'Showroom Dummies' Cheap drum machine sounds (unlike any sound Kraftwerk would stoop to use) introduce a sample of the original - which is at a different tempo! Towards the end the volume suddenly shoots up into distortion, then is quickly faded out. A disgustingly inept "remix" which probably took ten minutes to throw together. (5) 'Radioactivity' A standard techno, not technopop, riff introduces samples from the original. Boring in the extreme. A clumsy fade-out, followed by record clicks and hum. (6) 'Uranium' An uninspired ambient techno piece which samples Kraftwerk's track of the same name. (7) 'The Model' A horribly equalised sample from 'The Model' plus a dissonant riff utterly unlike anything by Kraftwerk. I haven't waded through all of the 84-page booklet, so will withhold comments on that for the moment. All credit to them for having the taste to include the URL of my links page ;-D but the FAQ will have to be upgraded to reflect that this CD is emphatically _not_ the collection of "previously unreleased NEW version[s] of 7 Kraftwerk classics, never before heard on any album or compilation! 45 minutes of EXCLUSIVE versions of timeless classics"... Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Review: 'A Short Introduction to Kraftwerk' (resend) Date: 16 May 2000 19:54:56 +0000 Adam Read wrote: > There was a vinyl bootleg around a while ago called 'Kraftwerk - edition 3' > which according to the tracklist found at > http://www4.big.or.jp/~blanks/kraft/boots/frame/boot.html > has the same tracklist as this new Italian CD. Hi Adam, well spotted. I received my copy of 'A Short Introduction to Kraftwerk' this morning, and gave it a quick listen. A quick listen was enough to tell that it was a collection of poor quality remixes, complete with record surface noise; and now I know from which LP the record company rerecorded it. Here's what you get (IMHO): (1) 'It's More Fun to Compute' Quite an imaginative remix. A vocoded voice intones 'L'homme machine' throughout most of the track: this is the sort of thing amateur remixers do, not Kraftwerk. Vinyl noise at end. (2) 'Kristallo' Kraftwerk's rhythms and sounds has become so stereotyped that it's easy for a remixer to knock up a sound-alike track. This one samples part of 'Kristallo' and adds a vocoded voice repeating the word "Kraftwerrrrk". Cheese. Vinyl noise. (3) 'Autobahn' A sample from the original introduces a lurching rhythm. This is manifestly not how Ralf & Florian handle their old works. (4) 'Showroom Dummies' Cheap drum machine sounds (unlike any sound Kraftwerk would stoop to use) introduce a sample of the original - which is at a different tempo! Towards the end the volume suddenly shoots up into distortion, then is quickly faded out. A disgustingly inept "remix" which probably took ten minutes to throw together. (5) 'Radioactivity' A standard techno, not technopop, riff introduces samples from the original. Boring in the extreme. A clumsy fade-out, followed by record clicks and hum. (6) 'Uranium' An uninspired ambient techno piece which samples Kraftwerk's track of the same name. (7) 'The Model' A horribly equalised sample from 'The Model' plus a dissonant riff utterly unlike anything by Kraftwerk. I haven't waded through all of the 84-page booklet, so will withhold comments on that for the moment. All credit to them for having the taste to include the URL of my links page ;-D but the FAQ will have to be upgraded to reflect that this CD is emphatically _not_ the collection of "previously unreleased NEW version[s] of 7 Kraftwerk classics, never before heard on any album or compilation! 45 minutes of EXCLUSIVE versions of timeless classics"... Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "E A R T H _" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk - The Warfield Theater Soundboard Date: 16 May 2000 18:53:20 GMT hello, i am new to the list here. i am sure this has come up before. i am looking for a copy of this title in any format. i was at this show recently discovered that there may be some copies about. i would love to go back one more time to experience this. thanks so much, tee! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LCAPUTO@HKLAW.COM Subject: (kw) 80s new wave Date: 16 May 2000 15:01:37 -0400 I forgot to include some correspondence I had with the radio station: -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 12:09 PM Dear Lisa: She's on 6a to 10a. Fifty-fifty on 80s vs. 90s and currents. Gary -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 11:40 AM Thanks. Sorry to be a pain, but what time does she go on and off? What is the ratio of new/old? I'm very disappointed that there no longer is an 80s flashback hour. Thanks again. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 11:33 AM Malibu Sue is now on in the mornings, playing requests and lots of Eighties music. Gary Cee WLIR -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 6:13 AM Lisa flashback/80s lcaputo@hklaw.com What happened to the 80s flashback hour? When is the best time to listen to 80s music now? *Please* respond! Thx! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) FW: New Kraftwerk Release (resend) Date: 16 May 2000 20:02:19 +0000 I understand MNS is still looking into this. In the meantime they have very responsibly sent out the following email to customers (reproduced here with MNS's permission). NB: I have no connection with MNS: email them (not me) at the address below if you are concerned about an order you placed. Kevin ---------- > From: "Music Non Stop Sales" > Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:54:08 +0100 > To: > Subject: New Kraftwerk Release > > Hi there > > It has come to our attention that the new Kraftwerk CD/Book "A Short > Introduction To Kraftwerk" is a OFFICIAL Sonic Books release of what may be > previously released bootleg material, and not new unearthed studio tracks as > was originally told to us and passed on to you. All the information we > received on this release was taken from a reputable, reliable source and was > passed on in good faith to Kraftwerk fans. If never has or will be MNS' > intention to mislead, as this statement confirms. > > Your order has now been dispatched. If you have any reservations at all > about this item, please do not hesitate to get in touch. > > Kind regards > Phil > MNS > > Music Non Stop Ltd > PO Box 248 > Worcester > WR2 5ZG > ENGLAND > sales@music-non-stop.co.uk > http://www.music-non-stop.co.uk > Tel/Fax :- +44(0)1905 773549 > Mon-Thur : 10am - 8pm (UK) > Friday : 10am - 6pm (UK) > (24hr Answer Phone) > Alternative/Electro/Indie/Industrial/Techno/General Electronica > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) LAST TRY FOR THIS... Date: 16 May 2000 20:07:06 +0000 Adam Read wrote: > There was a vinyl bootleg around a while ago called 'Kraftwerk - edition 3' > which according to the tracklist found at > http://www4.big.or.jp/~blanks/kraft/boots/frame/boot.html > has the same tracklist as this new Italian CD. Hi Adam, well spotted. I received my copy of 'A Short Introduction to Kraftwerk' this morning, and gave it a quick listen. A quick listen was enough to tell that it was a collection of poor quality remixes, complete with record surface noise; and now I know from which LP the record company rerecorded it. Here's what you get (IMHO): (1) 'It's More Fun to Compute' Quite an imaginative remix. A vocoded voice intones 'L'homme machine' throughout most of the track: this is the sort of thing amateur remixers do, not Kraftwerk. Vinyl noise at end. (2) 'Kristallo' Kraftwerk's rhythms and sounds has become so stereotyped that it's easy for a remixer to knock up a sound-alike track. This one samples part of 'Kristallo' and adds a vocoded voice repeating the word "Kraftwerrrrk". Cheese. Vinyl noise. (3) 'Autobahn' A sample from the original introduces a lurching rhythm. This is manifestly not how Ralf & Florian handle their old works. (4) 'Showroom Dummies' Cheap drum machine sounds (unlike any sound Kraftwerk would stoop to use) introduce a sample of the original - which is at a different tempo! Towards the end the volume suddenly shoots up into distortion, then is quickly faded out. A disgustingly inept "remix" which probably took ten minutes to throw together. (5) 'Radioactivity' A standard techno, not technopop, riff introduces samples from the original. Boring in the extreme. A clumsy fade-out, followed by record clicks and hum. (6) 'Uranium' An uninspired ambient techno piece which samples Kraftwerk's track of the same name. (7) 'The Model' A horribly equalised sample from 'The Model' plus a dissonant riff utterly unlike anything by Kraftwerk. I haven't waded through all of the 84-page booklet, so will withhold comments on that for the moment. All credit to them for having the taste to include the URL of my links page ;-D but the FAQ will have to be upgraded to reflect that this CD is emphatically _not_ the collection of "previously unreleased NEW version[s] of 7 Kraftwerk classics, never before heard on any album or compilation! 45 minutes of EXCLUSIVE versions of timeless classics"... Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) ... AND LAST TRY FOR THIS Date: 16 May 2000 20:07:10 +0000 I understand MNS is still looking into this. In the meantime they have very responsibly sent out the following email to customers (reproduced here with MNS's permission). NB: I have no connection with MNS: email them (not me) at the address below if you are concerned about an order you placed. Kevin ---------- > From: "Music Non Stop Sales" > Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:54:08 +0100 > To: > Subject: New Kraftwerk Release > > Hi there > > It has come to our attention that the new Kraftwerk CD/Book "A Short > Introduction To Kraftwerk" is a OFFICIAL Sonic Books release of what may be > previously released bootleg material, and not new unearthed studio tracks as > was originally told to us and passed on to you. All the information we > received on this release was taken from a reputable, reliable source and was > passed on in good faith to Kraftwerk fans. If never has or will be MNS' > intention to mislead, as this statement confirms. > > Your order has now been dispatched. If you have any reservations at all > about this item, please do not hesitate to get in touch. > > Kind regards > Phil > MNS > > Music Non Stop Ltd > PO Box 248 > Worcester > WR2 5ZG > ENGLAND > sales@music-non-stop.co.uk > http://www.music-non-stop.co.uk > Tel/Fax :- +44(0)1905 773549 > Mon-Thur : 10am - 8pm (UK) > Friday : 10am - 6pm (UK) > (24hr Answer Phone) > Alternative/Electro/Indie/Industrial/Techno/General Electronica > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "E A R T H _" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk - The Warfield Theater Soundboard - (3rd attempt, thank you) Date: 16 May 2000 20:35:23 GMT hello, i am new to the list here. i am sure this has come up before. i am looking for a copy of this title in any format. i was at this show recently discovered that there may be some copies about. i would love to go back one more time to experience this. thanks so much, tee! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "E A R T H _" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk - The Warfield Theater Soundboard - (resend) Date: 16 May 2000 18:58:24 GMT hello, i am new to the list here. i am sure this has come up before. i am looking for a copy of this title in any format. i was at this show recently discovered that there may be some copies about. i would love to go back one more time to experience this. thanks so much, tee! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "E A R T H _" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk - The Warfield Theater Soundboard - (3rd attempt, thank you) Date: 16 May 2000 21:46:32 GMT hello, i am new to the list here. i am sure this has come up before. i am looking for a copy of this title in any format. i was at this show recently discovered that there may be some copies about. i would love to go back one more time to experience this. thanks so much, tee! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Tittl Subject: Re: (kw) Newbie Date: 17 May 2000 15:28:36 +1000 Hi, What is it with us 33 year olds? Hehehe.... Myself is Vladimir a.k.a untold from Melbourne, Australia http://living-net.com/vt :-) > > I am brand new to this list. I'll introduce myself. My name is Lisa, I'm > > 33 years old. > > hi lisa !!! ;-) > > u r 1 of the few "girls" here i suppose !!! ;-))) so WELCOME 2 THIS LIST !!! > ;-) i sincerely hope u'll enjoy your stay here !!! ;-) > btw : my nickname or pseudonym here is oh jay a.k.a. micROBOT " the new > ROBOT voice " ! ( i'm a mail ... err ... male ROBOT !!! ;-))) > i'm 33 ( rpm !!! ;-))) years old 2 & from a state & town called bremen in > northern germany !!! ;-) Deutsch can ich auch ;-) Vladimir Tittl __________________________________ http://living-net.com Uncompromised Hosting Solutions mailto:vt@living-net.com Phone: (+61) 0500 57 5557 Fax: (+61) 03 5165 3463 __________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ilych@aol.com Subject: (kw) Stuff Date: 17 May 2000 02:27:34 EDT Some thoughts: 1. Can we please drop this homosexual nonsense? It's getting old, and people= =20 who persist dwelling on the issue deserve to be flamed. 2. I ordered the "new" KW book/CD from MNS as soon as I heard about it 2=20 weeks ago, and later received the same email from Phil about the huge gaffe. While I feel sorry for MNS (and others) for being completely mistaken about=20 the whole thing, as it may not really be their fault, I have read some of th= e=20 early reviews of the tracks, and I am disappointed. (and not much I can do=20 now that it's already arriving in the mail with my name on it, having paid=20 the money for the item.) Oh, well. Such is the life of a KW fan in the early 21st century =E2=80=94 f= alse=20 hopes and disappointment!=20 Greetings from Chicago, Bruno Van der Velde # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Modular77@aol.com Subject: (kw) RE: Roskilde fest. Date: 17 May 2000 02:45:07 EDT whats the line up this year?? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Modular77@aol.com Subject: (kw) re: covers Date: 17 May 2000 04:21:01 EDT Would love to hear KW's take on (this may sound oh-so-obvious, but why not?) NewOrder's Blue Monday... or even better.. 'isolation' by joy division. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: Re: (kw) RE: Roskilde fest. Date: 17 May 2000 10:47:42 +0200 (CEST) Let me see.. Lou Reed, Pet Shop Boys, Oasis, Willie Nelson, the Cure. Heck, drop by www.roskilde-festival.dk and check out for yourself. There's a link in the upper right corner. ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Få en gratis @yahoo.dk-adresse på http://mail.yahoo.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik J. Eid" Subject: Re: (kw) Newbie Date: 16 May 2000 22:50:24 -0400 At 10:00 AM 5/15/00 -0400, the self-described newbie Lisa did write: >My friends would say, "How can you listen to this [whoops!]?" so I was >always alone in it, I was in my own cocoon. From this and other responses that have come from list members, it seems like many of us share this experience. It may not be so pointed as yours. I've mostly just a lack of awareness - the "Kraftwerk who?" response is common. Only a couple of my friends who have listened to them have said they liked what they heard. Neither of them are now converts, unfortunately. What's strange is that we know there are others like us, as evidenced by this listserv. We just seem to be scattered across the globe, with so few in one geographic area. I've seen a couple of other Michiganders pop up, but judging from those who actively post, just being in the U.S. makes us a rarity. >I'm glad I found this list, so I can finally "express" to someone how I feel >about them. That might sound corny. Absolutely not. Wanting to share how you feel about the music that moves you so strongly, and to connect with others who feel the same, is not corny, but very human. That you express it at all should be applauded. >For the heck of it I just decided to look up some websites on them, and I >see that there are albums that I'd never heard of. The sites made me feel >like I've been really out of it! Some fan, huh? There's more bootlegs, remix albums, and tribute discs than can be counted (though many have tried ). There aren't many mainstream releases - and these have been listed already by Coen Rampen - so you're certainly not far behind. >If there's anything juicy out there you think I missed and think I should >get (videos, articles, etc.), please tell me. Get yourself a concert bootleg, either at a record collectors' show or by downloading MP3s. The concert recordings really show the human energy and warmth and life that goes into the carefully crafted music. It adds a powerful dimension. I'd recommend either "Numbers" (a partial recording from a concert in Japan from 1981) or the Warfield soundboard recording from 1998. Welcome to the community! . . \_ +\_ + o_-/ . O . \-_o -=/- . . . . \=// . ---------\_______ ||O ___.______ /* Erik Eid */ \____||L/\_____/ /* eeid@wwnet.net */_______________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Lloyd Subject: (kw) Re: [none] Date: 17 May 2000 07:51:13 -0400 on 5/17/00 1:06 AM, "Gary" at lpmj@att.net wrote: > What would you media-controlled idiots do without > the word "homophobe"??? Just because a person doesn't > have your positive view of homosexuality, you have > to scream "homophobe". Have you ever heard of freedom > of thought and speech? How about freedom of religion? > What if a person's religious beliefs tells them > homosexuality is WRONG and UNNATURAL and a SIN??? What would you mind-controlled idiots do without religion!? Quite possibly have an original thought. No wait - you'd need at least a working brain cell for that. Apparently you're out of luck. You can think anything you want. You can say anything you want. You can believe in an old man in robes who lives in the sky, or so says your religion, but the moment you start publicly saying that being homosexual is wrong, unnatural and a sin - then you're in MY territory. And I don't like homophobes. Period. Suffice to say your ability to hate me ends when I hear it. > In your eyes, is a person allowed to hold those > opinions? For the time being, here in America, we > still have freedom of speech, no matter how hard > the media tries to control our behaviour by deciding > what is and isn't acceptable beliefs and speech. You are a lunatic. You know that? I mean really - you should drop in to a competent neurologist and talk about this paranoia that you have. The media.. please.. turn the damn TV off you moron and go outside for a walk. Sorry assed white boy - can't change because momma didn't teach you nothin more than Wonder Bread and girlies don't have cooties. > I don't know where YOU live, but why not move to Cuba > or some other rat hole where you can't speak your mind. You mean like the US where I can't speak my mind about marrying my husband? That kind of thing? Where an oppressive government will not let me marry the person I love, and have been in love with for years? YET, at the same time, two total strangers can meet on a television show and marry on the same? This seems OK to you? That's the same media that you're talking about chump - now defend it. You may be able to say what you want - but there's a world of difference between doing what you want. I want to marry my partner - I can't. My right to have the same thing that men and women have is denied. Welcome to Cuba, Wonder Bread. > You'd fit right in...until YOU were the one being > insulted and shouted down for YOUR beliefs. As long as > I'm on a roll here...I'd rather NOT know the sexual > preferences of Kraftwerk because, if I found out one > or all were homosexuals, my opinion of them would drop > dramatically. If you don't like that, you can shove it. Speaking as a card carrying c**ksucking homosexual, I can assure you, YES they are as queer as a drei mark bill. We're all tuned into the same frequency - GayDar (tm) - it's like radar, only it allows us to pick out gay men at 100 yards, match fabrics, dress properly and get catty with waiters, amongst other things. Sorry bud - drop you opinions dramatically. We're waiting. I guess you never saw the picture of Ralf & Florian in the shower together. It's a shame. I heard Rock HUdson was there and tripped the light fantastic.. Go away jackass.. you're rock is calling.. fridge@sympatico.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "massimotorik" Subject: (kw) One good thing... Date: 17 May 2000 17:08:13 +0100 I guess this new CD debacle has been good for one thing. It looks like a lot of new people (myself included) have joined this list to find out more. Now I'm here I shall be staying a while of course. I could take this oportunity to tell you all about a club I organise in Brighton, UK, called Klang. We play a lot of different alternative / psychedelic music, but there is a big krautrock / electronic bias - so the big KW obviously figure in a major way. If you've never danced while listening to Ruckzack or Vim Himmel Hoch (surely the blueprint for The Chemical Brothers) really loud, you've never lived :o) . The next one is on May 25th. Details at http://klang.8k.com. Massimo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Martland" Subject: (kw) Mindless Moron Date: 17 May 2000 18:29:12 +0100 Gary wrote >What if a person's religious beliefs tells them >homosexuality is WRONG and UNNATURAL and a SIN??? >In your eyes, is a person allowed to hold those >opinions? Hold those opinions if you wish but I do not want to hear them you'll be telling us next that all black people have low IQs and that there is an international Zionist conspiracy which requires us to burn Jewish businesses. >For the time being, here in America, we >still have freedom of speech, I'm sorry but freedom of speech does not mean you can preach the politics of hate and expect to go unchallenged >but why not move to Cuba >or some other rat hole where you can't speak your mind. And you have the nerve to suggest that people are media controlled!! You've swallowed this hook line and sinker! Get out of my inbox. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Bult" Subject: Re: (kw) New Kraftwerk Release (Scratchwerk!) Date: 17 May 2000 12:39:22 -0500 lol! Or maybe it's a brief seduction of those who love Kraftwerk Steve ---------- > From: Frank X. Cordero > To: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (kw) New Kraftwerk Release (Scratchwerk!) > Date: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 12:13 PM > > > > > > Just received my "A Short Introduction to Kraftwerk" and all I can say > is..... > HISSSSsss, BOOM, Pop! > HISSSSsss, BOOM, Pop! > HISSSsss, BOOM, Pop! > The sound of vinyl disturbs me. > > Maybe I ordered the wrong copy......"A False Introduction to SCRATCHWERK!" > > > DJFRANKX > http://members.tripod.com/DJFRANKX/index.html > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Martland" Subject: (kw) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:44:50 +0100 Date: 17 May 2000 11:43:17 -0600 "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" wrote title so far : "network" my source is a guy called ( prof. ) florian schneider-esleben !!! ;-) Tell us more Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) is it real? Date: 17 May 2000 11:11:40 -0700 >Particularly Richards last post about the songs sounding unfinished/going >nowhere. I have a theory - perhaps these are tracks emi rejected, although >they still owned them, which is why they have been unlreleasable for so >long. >(2) 'Kristallo' > >Kraftwerk's rhythms and sounds has become so stereotyped that it's easy for >a remixer to knock up a sound-alike track. This one samples part of >'Kristallo' and adds a vocoded voice repeating the word "Kraftwerrrrk". >Cheese. Vinyl noise. These two comments (by Herr Large and Herr Busby, respectively) remind me of something. I bought the excellent Raymond Scott electronic music 2-disc set, "Manhattan Research, Inc." (on Basta Records). This set features Scott's electronic music experiments from the 1950's and 1960's, used for a variety of purposes, from film soundtracks to commercials to wild secret compositions. Most of it was used for commercials, though; and when Raymond Scott would submit samples of his music to prospective clients, there would be a verbal message that looped during the music, saying "This music is completely electronic, and composed by Manhattan Research, Inc, a division of Raymond Scott Enterprises." The reason, of course, was so that nobody would use the free samples in their advertisements. So, it occured to me that it would be interesting if Kraftwerk had a vocoder droning their name over and over during demo material. >If you compare, for example, the demo of music-non-stop, with the original, >one can hear vague similarities with the one we are familiar with, but it >also has these qualities you speak of - poor quality (damn, repetition) and >a focus which is non-descript. The "Techno-Pop" demo is incredible! Give it another listen or two; it's genius at work. ---Jason Polland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Mindless Moron Date: 17 May 2000 19:23:03 +0000 > Hold those opinions if you wish but I do not want to hear them you'll be > telling us next that all black people have low IQs and that there is an > international Zionist conspiracy which requires us to burn Jewish > businesses. There are so many logical fallacies being made on both sides of this argument that I'm not sure where to begin. Maybe everyone could just hold back on the inflammatory rhetoric and deal with the fact that other people's views can be different to theirs to the point of being offensive. Democratic society mediates between these views. Learn some debating skills instead of just hurling insults at each other: if you must be off-topic, maybe you could be off-topic in an interesting and civilised way? Of course, both sides could just club together and flame me for my high-handedness. Wouldn't that be a beautiful thing? :-D No offence intended - can we move on? Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: (kw) Oh me oh my Date: 17 May 2000 11:46:28 -0700 >There are so many logical fallacies being made on both sides of this >argument that I'm not sure where to begin. The issue of homosexuality is too emotional an issue; it's far different than discussing zoning laws for a new shopping center, or, perhaps, which Kraftwerk album is the best. Religious prejudice, "morals," and discomfort, versus compassion, understanding, and acceptance. How can you tell somebody their god made a mistake? How can you erase a lifetime of bigoted upbringing? How can a person be comfortable with knowing that huge organizations automatically hate them without having ever met them? It's a losing battle. It's sort of like abortion; both sides demonstrate and feverishly protest for their cause, but the simple outcome is that neither side can sway the other. It's a modern-day holy war. >No offence intended - can we move on? I wouldn't normally jump into these sorts of conversations... But I wanted to show a little support for those on the list who are being told they're evil by total strangers. Normally my policy is to ignore these sorts of volatile topics... At which point they promptly go away. ---Jason Polland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary Pedoto" Subject: (kw) Re: [none] Date: 17 May 2000 15:07:12 -0400 Thanks for proving my point "Bruce". Like I said, as soon as a person has a different point of view, out come the insults and that over-used cry from the world of Vaseline....HOMOPHOBE!!! Ha ha ha...Your whole reply proves my point exactly but, of course, I'm sure you don't see it that way. Could something be blocking your view? As far as you saying Krafwerk members are homosexuals, why should I take the word of a person with obvious self-serving motives such as yourself?...ha ha. Yeah,,,just like EVERY important dead composer or dead artist that your kind tries to "expose"... as being homosexual, so you can all point and cry out and squeal,,, "See....he was one of us". Of course these dead people can't defend themselves against your accusations and your liberal media friends report it as fact. Until Kraftwerk comes out and says otherwise, I have no reason to believe what you tell me. You are only trying to justify you way of life. Gary ---------- > From: Bruce Lloyd > To: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; lpmj@att.net > Subject: Re: [none] > Date: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 7:51 AM > > on 5/17/00 1:06 AM, "Gary" at lpmj@att.net wrote: > > > What would you media-controlled idiots do without > > the word "homophobe"??? Just because a person doesn't > > have your positive view of homosexuality, you have > > to scream "homophobe". Have you ever heard of freedom > > of thought and speech? How about freedom of religion? > > What if a person's religious beliefs tells them > > homosexuality is WRONG and UNNATURAL and a SIN??? > > What would you mind-controlled idiots do without religion!? Quite possibly > have an original thought. No wait - you'd need at least a working brain > cell for that. Apparently you're out of luck. > > You can think anything you want. You can say anything you want. You can > believe in an old man in robes who lives in the sky, or so says your > religion, but the moment you start publicly saying that being homosexual is > wrong, unnatural and a sin - then you're in MY territory. And I don't like > homophobes. Period. Suffice to say your ability to hate me ends when I > hear it. > > > In your eyes, is a person allowed to hold those > > opinions? For the time being, here in America, we > > still have freedom of speech, no matter how hard > > the media tries to control our behaviour by deciding > > what is and isn't acceptable beliefs and speech. > > You are a lunatic. You know that? I mean really - you should drop in to a > competent neurologist and talk about this paranoia that you have. The > media.. please.. turn the damn TV off you moron and go outside for a walk. > Sorry assed white boy - can't change because momma didn't teach you nothin > more than Wonder Bread and girlies don't have cooties. > > > I don't know where YOU live, but why not move to Cuba > > or some other rat hole where you can't speak your mind. > > You mean like the US where I can't speak my mind about marrying my husband? > That kind of thing? Where an oppressive government will not let me marry > the person I love, and have been in love with for years? YET, at the same > time, two total strangers can meet on a television show and marry on the > same? This seems OK to you? That's the same media that you're talking > about chump - now defend it. > > You may be able to say what you want - but there's a world of difference > between doing what you want. I want to marry my partner - I can't. My > right to have the same thing that men and women have is denied. Welcome to > Cuba, Wonder Bread. > > > You'd fit right in...until YOU were the one being > > insulted and shouted down for YOUR beliefs. As long as > > I'm on a roll here...I'd rather NOT know the sexual > > preferences of Kraftwerk because, if I found out one > > or all were homosexuals, my opinion of them would drop > > dramatically. If you don't like that, you can shove it. > > Speaking as a card carrying c**ksucking homosexual, I can assure you, YES > they are as queer as a drei mark bill. We're all tuned into the same > frequency - GayDar (tm) - it's like radar, only it allows us to pick out gay > men at 100 yards, match fabrics, dress properly and get catty with waiters, > amongst other things. Sorry bud - drop you opinions dramatically. We're > waiting. I guess you never saw the picture of Ralf & Florian in the shower > together. It's a shame. I heard Rock HUdson was there and tripped the > light fantastic.. > > Go away jackass.. you're rock is calling.. > > > > > > > fridge@sympatico.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cancerperson" Subject: Re: (kw) is it real? Date: 17 May 2000 14:06:47 -0500 > > >If you compare, for example, the demo of music-non-stop, with the original, > >one can hear vague similarities with the one we are familiar with, but it > >also has these qualities you speak of - poor quality (damn, repetition) and > >a focus which is non-descript. > > The "Techno-Pop" demo is incredible! Give it another listen or two; > it's genius at work. > > ---Jason Polland > > Ok, so where can a avid, yet cut off from the bootleg world fan find a copy of the "Techno-Pop" demo? I've got the "Sex Object" demo and find it to actually be better than the album version.... brian -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s: a-- C+++ UL P+ L++ E---- W+ N++ o- K w M- V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5- X++ R+ tv b+++ DI++ D++ G e>++ h! r-->++ y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.omn.net/~kpbloke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Re: [none] Date: 17 May 2000 12:21:23 -0700 >Yeah,,,just like EVERY important >dead composer or dead artist that your kind tries to "expose"... >as being homosexual, so you can all point and cry out and squeal,,, >"See....he was one of us". Like Liberace! Those darn queers have been defaming his name for years! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Markowski Subject: Re: (kw) Mindless Moron - The C Program! Date: 17 May 2000 15:29:06 -0400 On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 07:23:03PM +0000, Kevin Busby wrote: > > There are so many logical fallacies being made on both sides of this > argument that I'm not sure where to begin. Here's the executive summary for C programmers (can be used to summarize nearly all heated arguments): main() { while (!ability_to_consider_other_viewpoints()) { printf("X says: Is to!\n"); printf("Y says: Is not!\n\n"); } printf("A-ha!! Now I (truly) see why he/she thinks that way.\n"); printf("A-ha!! I don't have to be angry.\n"); printf("A-ha!! I can be constructive and helpful!\n\n"); printf("HEY, LET'S PUT ON SOME KRAFTWERK!\n"); } int ability_to_consider_other_viewpoints() { /* This routine can be dramatically improved with offline thoughtful discourse, inner explorations of many types, etc. */ if (rand() / RAND_MAX < 0.000001) enlightened = 1; else enlightened = 0; return enlightened; } Ok, so I'm a geek. Geeks are people, too. Got something against geeks?? ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord" Subject: SV: (kw) Eurovision Song Contest (again) Date: 17 May 2000 20:40:12 +0200 >So, can anyone else think of any more ways KW might have influenced = this >event? > >/ Christofer Come on, Kraftwerk did NOT incluence Eurovision Song Contest!! Lots of = bands use screens! Do you guys see KW influence in ANYTHING? :-) glenn # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Familie de Haan Subject: Re: (kw) Mindless Moron - The C Program! Date: 17 May 2000 21:48:03 +0200 > main() > { > while (!ability_to_consider_other_viewpoints()) { > > printf("X says: Is to!\n"); > printf("Y says: Is not!\n\n"); > } > > printf("A-ha!! Now I (truly) see why he/she thinks that way.\n"); > printf("A-ha!! I don't have to be angry.\n"); > printf("A-ha!! I can be constructive and helpful!\n\n"); > > printf("HEY, LET'S PUT ON SOME KRAFTWERK!\n"); > } > > int > ability_to_consider_other_viewpoints() > { > /* This routine can be dramatically improved with offline > thoughtful discourse, inner explorations of many types, etc. */ > > if (rand() / RAND_MAX < 0.000001) > enlightened = 1; > else > enlightened = 0; > > return enlightened; > } Can you port this to Macintosh...? -- Remember when you computer gives an error, it's because: the stack can dip into the heap for just a few cycles and not be caught by the stack sniffer - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Re: [none] Very off topic and uncool! Date: 17 May 2000 15:54:24 EDT *ROTFLOL* Come on can't u give a responce without bringing everyone down to the level of hatred? Can't we just get along. And while U R on the topic of GOV. no one wants to live in Cuba! I don't see people dying to get in to Cuba but they sure do trying to leave! Why don't U say that in Cuba! I don't recall Gary saying this was a perfect country so why try and put him down for U being gay? It's not his fault U can't marry a man is it? Lets see hhhmm....No I don't see Gary on the list of Senators.......No I don't see him in congress either....maybe he is a voter like you! Let's just all be friends ;-) *LOL* Christian :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "CAPUTO, LISA (X75918)" Subject: (kw) Cheer up! Date: 17 May 2000 16:28:38 -0400 http://search.mp3.com/bin/search/ Listen to the Worst of MP3. How can you not laugh at this? Lisa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LCAPUTO@HKLAW.COM Subject: (kw) hello? Date: 17 May 2000 16:31:12 -0400 Damn, my messages keep bouncing (to this list and to individuals as well!)! Lisa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Cheer up! Date: 17 May 2000 16:36:56 EDT In a message dated 5/17/00 4:30:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LCAPUTO@HKLAW.COM writes: << http://search.mp3.com/bin/search/ Listen to the Worst of MP3. How can you not laugh at this? Lisa >> To which r u refereing 2 ? Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LCAPUTO@HKLAW.COM Subject: RE: (kw) Cheer up! Date: 17 May 2000 16:57:52 -0400 Ah, I don't think the url worked. You'd have to go into www.mp3.com and search for "worst" and then go into "stations." The "Worst of MP3" is very funny -- not MP3 in general! Lisa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LCAPUTO@HKLAW.COM Subject: FW: (kw) Cheer up! Date: 17 May 2000 17:00:54 -0400 Just in case my messages keep bouncing, I'll send this one again: Ah, I don't think the url worked. You'd have to go into www.mp3.com and search for "worst" and then go into "stations." The "Worst of MP3" is very funny -- not MP3 in general! Lisa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) is it real? Date: 17 May 2000 16:25:11 -0700 Jason Poland wrote: >These two comments (by Herr Large and Herr Busby, respectively) >remind me of something. I bought the excellent Raymond Scott >electronic music 2-disc set, "Manhattan Research, Inc." [....] Speaking of Raymond Scott... Check out this 3CD compilation: OHM - The Early Gurus of Electronic Music - 1948-1980 3 Compact Disc, 3 Hours 38 Minutes, Ellipsis Arts, April 2000 Track List: Disc1 Tchaikovsky: Valse Sentimentale - Clara Rockmore Oraison - Oliver Messiaen Etude aux Chemins de Fer - Pierre Schaeffer Williams Mix - John Cage Klangstudie II - Herbert Eimert Low Speed - Otto Luening Dripsody - Hugh Le Caine Main Title From Forbidden Planet- Louis and Bebe Barron Concerto rubato from Elektronische Tanzsuite - Oskar Sala Poem Electronique - Edgard Varese Sine Music (A Swarm Of Butterflies Encountered Over The Ocean) - Richard Maxwell Apocalypse - Part 2 - Tod Dockstader Kontakte (edit) - Karlheinz Stockhausen Wireless Fantasy - Vladmir Ussachevsky Philomel (edit) - Milton Babbitt Spacecraft (edit) - MEV (Musica Elettronica Viva) Disc2 Cindy Electronium - Raymond Scott Pendulum Music - Steve Reich Bye Bye Butterfly - Pauline Oliveros Projection Esemplastic for White Noise - Joji Yuasa Silver Apples Of The Moon, Part 1 - Morton Subotnick Rainforest Version 1 (edit) - David Tudor Poppy Nogood (edit) - Terry Riley Boat-Woman-Song - Holger Czukay Music Promenade (edit) - Luc Ferrari Rosace 3 from Vibrations Composees - Francois Bayle Mutations (edit) - Jean-Claude Risset Hibiki-Hana-Ma (edit) - Iannis Xenakis Exceprt "31 / 69 c 12:17:33 - 12:25:33 PM NYC" - Lamonte Young Disc 3 He Destroyed Her Image - Charles Dodge Six Fantasies on a Poem by Thomas Campion: Her Song - Paul Lansky Appalachian Grove I - Laurie Spiegel En Phase/Hors Phase from Dedans Dehors - Bernard Parmegiani On The Other Ocean - David Behrman Stria (edit) - John Chowning Living Sound, Patent Pending Music for Sound-Joined Rooms Series - Maryanne Amacher Automatic Writing (edit) - Robert Ashley Canti Illuminati - Alvin Curran Music On A Long Thin Wire - Alvin Lucier Melange - Klaus Schulze Before And After Charm (La Notte) - Jon Hassell Unfamiliar Wind (Leeks Hills) - Brian Eno Lots of cool people in there... but... where's Kraftwerk? Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greyseason@aol.com Subject: (kw) Re: Date: 17 May 2000 22:50:52 EDT lpmj@att.net writes: <> Perhaps substitute it with "bigot" or "asshole." <> You call others controlled? You allow your religion to control how you feel about things. Where is the freedom of thought there? It's not that you yourself have come to any conclusion about homosexuality. Your religious 'beliefs' tell you what homosexuality is, and your controlled mind conforms to that viewpoint. <> Absolutely. You should try to formulate some opinions of your own. <> It is amazing that a person should make a concious choice to be ignorant, but you clearly have in so many ways. If your opinion about somebody you respect can be altered so drastically simply because of their sexual preference, you should bury your head in your bible and never come out. Your fear of knowledge and enlightenment makes me sick. What would ignorant religiously-controlled idiots do without terms like "wrong," "sin," or "just because the bible says so"??? I have nothing against religion itself and I don't mean to offend. It's just that anti-intellectual American-isolationist religious extremists like Gary make me embarrassed to be a heterosexual living in the United States. Not that my sexuality is any of your fucking business, but perhaps knowing that, Gary will respect me more and think that I am a better person based on that superficial characteristic of my personality. Get a brain of your own and start governing your own thoughts. Sam Paterson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JL Jones" Subject: (kw) Re: no subject Date: 17 May 2000 03:02:26 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 3:00 AM > > In a message dated 5/13/00 9:58:04 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, > josefgabler@magnet.at writes: > << The homophobic outrage that we has seen on the > mailinglist these last >days > > What would you media-controlled idiots do without > the word "homophobe"??? Just because a person doesn't > have your positive view of homosexuality, you have > to scream "homophobe". Have you ever heard of freedom > of thought and speech? How about freedom of religion? > What if a person's religious beliefs tells them > homosexuality is WRONG and UNNATURAL and a SIN??? > In your eyes, is a person allowed to hold those > opinions? For the time being, here in America, we > still have freedom of speech, no matter how hard > the media tries to control our behaviour by deciding > what is and isn't acceptable beliefs and speech. / sarcasm on Hell yeah! that's right, In the good old USA it's your right to have a parochial attitude and be closed-minded...... / sarcasm off I feel sorry for you if you're going to let a person's choice of lifestyle (and I quote) > I'd rather NOT know the sexual > preferences of Kraftwerk because, if I found out one > or all were homosexuals, my opinion of them would drop > dramatically. If you don't like that, you can shove it. affect your opinion of what they do with regards to artistic expression is concerned. I was gonna say something related to organized religion, but won't go there.... Yeah, I know, I can go shove it... If you were an adult in the 60's I'm sure you would have been against civil rights and equal treatment for those of us of color too... and I'm using my privilege as a human being to comment on your commentary. /home/lunarpark-1/Jim J. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: (kw) Re: Date: 17 May 2000 12:54:50 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 9:00 AM > In a message dated 5/13/00 9:58:04 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, > josefgabler@magnet.at writes: > << The homophobic outrage that we has seen on the > mailinglist these last >days > > What would you media-controlled idiots do without > the word "homophobe"??? Just because a person doesn't > have your positive view of homosexuality, you have > to scream "homophobe". Have you ever heard of freedom > of thought and speech? How about freedom of religion? > What if a person's religious beliefs tells them > homosexuality is WRONG and UNNATURAL and a SIN??? > In your eyes, is a person allowed to hold those > opinions? For the time being, here in America, we > still have freedom of speech, no matter how hard > the media tries to control our behaviour by deciding > what is and isn't acceptable beliefs and speech. > I don't know where YOU live, but why not move to Cuba > or some other rat hole where you can't speak your mind. > You'd fit right in...until YOU were the one being > insulted and shouted down for YOUR beliefs. As long as > I'm on a roll here...I'd rather NOT know the sexual > preferences of Kraftwerk because, if I found out one > or all were homosexuals, my opinion of them would drop > dramatically. If you don't like that, you can shove it. > > Gary sorry , gary , but it also works the other way around !!! ;-) u better keep this in mind before u start your rant rage here on the list !!! *grim* so please stop this silly threads about homosexuality & / or homophobia NOW !!! it's absolute useless / senseless & mindless !!! *evenmoregrim* btw : i really don't know about the other members of kw but florian is still a kind of gigolo after all !!! ( lookin' 4 some skinny & nice little chixxx !!! *ROTFLOL* ;-))) sorry !!! jus' kiddin' !!! ;-) but then again ... *hehehe* ;-))) however ... PLEASE DON'T TAKE ALL THIS DAMNED STUFF OH SOOO SERIOUS BY NOW !!! ;-) btw : also kw still have " their special kind of humor " on this kind of threads i suppose !!! ;-) many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: (kw) OT? Date: 17 May 2000 06:10:23 GMT Gary said: >I'd rather NOT know the sexual >preferences of Kraftwerk because, if I found out one >or all were homosexuals, my opinion of them would drop >dramatically. If you don't like that, you can shove it. wow. if this isn't off-topic, I don't know what is. can we please be quiet? no offence Gary, but could you have mailed this directly to the sender? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: (kw) mp3s of new stuff Date: 17 May 2000 07:45:45 GMT Hello Fellow Folk, I don't want to take advantage of the poor people who spent their hard earned dosh on this confusing item, but is it possible someone could dump the mp3s of, for example, the worst tracks somewhere for us to examine? I would really appreciate that. And I'm sure some other people would too... Ta muchly ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) LAST TRY FOR THIS... Date: 17 May 2000 13:35:56 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 10:07 PM *hehehe* ;-))) WHY R U SOOO IMPATIENT , EH ??? ;-))) sometimes my messages 2 this list just appearin' 2 days ( more than 48 hours , ya know !?!?!? ;-))) later than i've originally send them 2 it !!! ;-) SO WHAT !?!?!? ;-))) however ... JUS' GIVE IT A TRY & SOME MORE "SPACE" ... ERR ... TIME !!! ;-))) many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Calming down... Date: 17 May 2000 10:16:08 +0000 Trip Lizard wrote: > Thanks for the info! I believe I'll cancel my order from MNS. This sounds > like it's terrible! Phew, I'm glad I got the info to the list in the end. ... And then of course all the previous failed attempts at posting reappear out of the ether, plus a couple of mysterious extra copies, making me look a right idiot... Sorry my persistence contributed towards so much excessive email - but I thought it important to keep the list informed about 'An Introduction to Kraftwerk' in plenty of time, not a day or so late! Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Cover Songs Date: 17 May 2000 12:32:27 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 5:09 PM > Would love to hear KW's take on > (this may sound oh-so-obvious, but why not?) > NewOrder's Blue Monday... > > :op > > /home/lunarpark-1/Jim J. YEAH !!! DEFINITELY !!! ;-) that's THE song i would also like 2 hear covered by kw !!! ;-) btw : kw *loves* new order's " blue monday " !!! ;-) i suppose if they'll EVER do any cover version it'll be this 1 !!! ;-) but then again ... it's just a dream !!! *sigh* it would also be very interestin' if kw do a cover of " television " by former kw-member karl bartos' elektric music i suppose !!! ;-))) karl plays old kw material @ his concerts , so why shouldn't kw do the same with some elektric music songs ??? ;-))) okay ! it's a stupid idea !!! i know ... ;-))) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Newbie Date: 17 May 2000 13:51:57 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 7:28 AM > Hi, > > What is it with us 33 year olds? Hehehe.... hi vladiMIR ! ;-) well ... i personally think it's the best age ( besides 45 , ya know !?!?!? ;-))) u can prolly enjoy !!! *LOL* ;-))) > Myself is Vladimir a.k.a untold from Melbourne, Australia > http://living-net.com/vt > > :-) " a.k.a. untold " ??? HUH !?!?!? WHAT A "MYSTERY" !!! *ROTFLOL* ;-))) > > > I am brand new to this list. I'll introduce myself. My name is Lisa, I'm > > > 33 years old. > > > > hi lisa !!! ;-) > > > > u r 1 of the few "girls" here i suppose !!! ;-))) so WELCOME 2 THIS LIST !!! > > ;-) i sincerely hope u'll enjoy your stay here !!! ;-) > > btw : my nickname or pseudonym here is oh jay a.k.a. micROBOT " the new > > ROBOT voice " ! ( i'm a mail ... err ... male ROBOT !!! ;-))) > > i'm 33 ( rpm !!! ;-))) years old 2 & from a state & town called bremen in > > northern germany !!! ;-) > > Deutsch can ich auch ;-) gut zu wissen , vladiMIR !!! ;-))) > Vladimir Tittl please excuse my curiosity : r u originally from russia ( or the former u.s.s.r. !!! ;-) ??? *justcurious* > __________________________________ > > http://living-net.com > > Uncompromised Hosting Solutions > > mailto:vt@living-net.com > Phone: (+61) 0500 57 5557 > Fax: (+61) 03 5165 3463 > > __________________________________ however ... many greetinx 2 all 33 year olds here on this list ... & 2 " the humble rest " as well !!! *LOL* ;-))) your "virtual" ROBOT mate , OH JAY ;-) a.k.a. micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) One good thing... Date: 17 May 2000 18:32:40 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 6:08 PM massimo wrote : > I guess this new CD debacle has been good for one thing. It looks like a lot > of new people (myself included) have joined this list to find out more. Now > I'm here I shall be staying a while of course. yeah !!! that's a pretty good idea !!! ;-) btw : i just wonder WHY this list hasn't changed 2 egroups recently !?!?!? *justcurious* egroups offers lots of opportunities like a messages & members archive , a file section , a calendar , a poll section , a links section , a database 4 faq's & stuff like this & a chat room !!! ;-) 4 those of u who don't know it by now : i run a newsgroup called "kraftwerkfans" ( kwf ;-) @ egroups !!! ;-) the address is : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans ! ;-) check it out if u like & subscribe as a member if u want 2 use all the above mentioned opportunities !!! ;-) thanx a lot 4 your consideration & many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Eurovision Song Contest (again) Date: 17 May 2000 21:44:54 +0200 Glenn Folkvord wrote: > > >So, can anyone else think of any more ways KW might have influenced this > >event? > > > >/ Christofer > > Come on, Kraftwerk did NOT incluence Eurovision Song Contest!! Lots of bands use screens! Do you guys see KW influence in ANYTHING? :-) Well, have you looked on the back on your tv lately? On mine it says. "Kopyright (K) Kling Klang Verlag"... Putten sie nicht deine Finger in die Kontakte, bitte" /aw # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Mindless Moron Date: 17 May 2000 20:48:32 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 7:29 PM > Get out of my inbox. *ROTFLOL* ;-))) what more there is 2 say ?!?!?! ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sam Brown" Subject: Re: (kw) Sources ??? Date: 17 May 2000 18:10:12 GMT >sent: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:01:02 +0200 >from: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" >to: "Mr. Telex" >CC: "kwml" > > >my source is a guy called ( prof. ) florian schneider-esleben !!! ;-) >maybe u'll remember him as beein' part of the legendary electronic >(dance)music pioneers from d=FCsseldorf in germany called kraftwerk , >e= h >!?!?!? *slyest_grin_u_can_imagine* ;-) *LOL*. That's a really good joke :-p sam ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: (kw) Very off topic and very uncool!!!!!!! Let's all calm down!!!!!! And play KW!!!! Date: 17 May 2000 16:18:52 EDT Subj: Re: (kw) Re: [none] Very off topic and uncool! In a message dated 5/17/00 4:04:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, grizz416@hotmail.com writes: << > Let's just all be friends ;-) *LOL* No. >> Why R U so full of hate? No one said they hate you specifically did they? U people always talk about hate groups!!!!!!!!! That flat out sounds like hate to me. I'm still not hating U! I was trying to make a point not enemies! I have a gay uncle and I don't hate him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He knows what I beleive in and I know what he believes in and we're still friends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is a way to disagree and be civilized!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-) Christian :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: [none] Re: {non-kw} Date: 17 May 2000 22:57:06 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 9:21 PM > >Yeah,,,just like EVERY important > >dead composer or dead artist that your kind tries to "expose"... > >as being homosexual, so you can all point and cry out and squeal,,, > >"See....he was one of us". > > Like Liberace! Those darn queers have been defaming his name for years! OH YEAH !!! FREDDY MERCURY AS WELL & ELTON JOHN ... ERR ... OOPS !!! SORRY !!! HE'S ISN'T DEAD BY NOW !!! *CSROTFLOLFST* ;-))) it's very nice 2 see sooo many self-righteous people here on this list who seems 2 think that THEY own the wisdom of all mankind over the last millennium !!! *LOL_4_ANOTHER_MILLENNIUM* ;-))) good night , boys & girls !!! *(GUESS_WHAT_???)* your "virtual" ROBOT mate ! ;-) a.k.a. micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary Pedoto" Subject: (kw) Re: [none] Date: 18 May 2000 02:36:48 -0400 As I said...thanks for proving my point. I wasted way to much time on you already. Insults and false accusations...etc... Give it a rest. I won't respond anymore to your nonsense. If I'm such an idiot, you should not be wasting your time responding to me. You've used all the usual tactics to try to justify what you do. I'm sure everyone here is tired of this. I know I am. I should have known better than to voice an opposing opinion. What the hell was I thinking? I forgot what age we live in. Go away and let everyone get back to talking about music instead of your crap. ---------- > From: grizz416 > To: Gary Pedoto > Subject: Re: [none] > Date: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 3:38 PM > > on 5/17/00 3:07 PM, Gary Pedoto at lpmj@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > > Thanks for proving my point "Bruce". Like I said, > > as soon as a person has a different point of > > view, out come the insults and that over-used > > cry from the world of Vaseline....HOMOPHOBE!!! > > How old are you? Six? What was your point again? Wait - you didn't have > one. You're using something you probably have no understanding of at all, > the bible, to purport your whimsical notions of right and wrong. Then you > blame the "media" for those things you declare wrong, or that have been told > to you as wrong by a service on the whole more corrupt and deviant than the > media you speak of: religion. > > Speaking of insults, perhaps you haven't see the Rev. Fred Phelps "protest" > the funeral of someone who died of AIDS. It is done in the name of > religion, and it doesn't matter if it isn't your religion. It is religion. > Something you hold dear. > > And what does Vaseline have to do with anything? Care to explain that? Or > are you too blinded by ignorance to come up with an answer; "Vaseline" > somehow being a catch-word that you picked up along the way. > > > Ha ha ha...Your whole reply proves my point exactly > > but, of course, I'm sure you don't see it that way. > > Could something be blocking your view? > > Tell me what your point is and I'll fill you in. You have yet to address > any of the issues I brought up in my email - for example, why a union on > television between two total strangers is alright by the same media you're > lambasting, and yet the marriage of two men, who have been involved in a > loving relationship for years, is invalid for marriage rights. > > C'mon, I know you can do it - think hard. > > > As far as you saying Krafwerk members are homosexuals, > > why should I take the word of a person with obvious self-serving > > motives such as yourself?...ha ha. Yeah,,,just like EVERY important > > dead composer or dead artist that your kind tries to "expose"... > > as being homosexual, so you can all point and cry out and squeal,,, > > "See....he was one of us". Of course these > > dead people can't defend themselves against your accusations > > and your liberal media friends report it as fact. > > Oh really. Do you think a straight man could have made the statue of David > with such detailed perfection and care? I doubt it. Do you think a > straight Cole Porter would have written "My Heart Belongs to Daddy"? I > really doubt it. Da Vinci actually had a partner, whom he wrote about at > length. All of Lord Byron's poetry was written for his many boyfriends. > These people and many more, have documented the fact that they were > homosexuals. It isn't the media, or any group, that is making this up - > it's the individuals themselves. > > Really Gary, you should read and learn before you open your mouth, otherwise > we would have thought you clever. > > As for self-serving - you have a lot of nerve. Here you say that you'd lose > interest in an artist because of their sexual orientation. That's pretty > petty there Gary - and you call *me* self-serving. Shall we start a fund > for you so you can actually buy yourself a clue? > > > Until Kraftwerk comes out and says otherwise, I have no reason to > > believe what you tell me. You are only trying to justify you way of > > life. > > I'm not trying to justify my way of life. I'm telling you facts. Anyone > who takes a shower with another man, and looks to be enjoying it, has some > serious gay overtones. You, however, are invalidating my rights based on > your outdated ethics and morals - ethics and morals based solely on > ignorance and fear. You're not a homophobe, at least they have some > intelligence and can back up their nonsense with "facts" - as strewn and > twisted as they may see them. You on the other hand are simply a moron. > You probably need a good fuck.. > > > Gary > > Bruce > > > > > grizz416@hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary Pedoto" Subject: (kw) amazing Date: 18 May 2000 03:20:05 -0400 Does anyone one notice how it's okay for them to spew their pro-homosexual ideas but, MY personal and/of religious beliefs are ridiculed??? Thank you again to those of you who continue to prove my original point over and over again, which was...the continued persecution of a person who happens to NOT share your positive views on homosexuality. A person is not a bigot just because they don't share your views on something and...a person is allowed to have religious and personal beliefs that differ from yours. I know some of you can't grasp that simple concept. Maybe homosexuality also impairs the ability to see other people's right to a have differing opinion. Now I suggest we stop this. Oh yeah...by the way. I could swear I heard that Florian was quite a ladies' man. That doesn't sound very homosexual to me. I'm sure SOME of you wish you could change that piece of information. From this moment on, lets drop this and get back to talking about Kraftwerk's music Gary Read the following attack: > Perhaps substitute it with "bigot" or "asshole." <> You call others controlled? You allow your religion to control how you feel about things. Where is the freedom of thought there? It's not that you yourself have come to any conclusion about homosexuality. Your religious 'beliefs' tell you what homosexuality is, and your controlled mind conforms to that viewpoint. <> Absolutely. You should try to formulate some opinions of your own. <> It is amazing that a person should make a concious choice to be ignorant, but you clearly have in so many ways. If your opinion about somebody you respect can be altered so drastically simply because of their sexual preference, you should bury your head in your bible and never come out. Your fear of knowledge and enlightenment makes me sick. What would ignorant religiously-controlled idiots do without terms like "wrong," "sin," or "just because the bible says so"??? I have nothing against religion itself and I don't mean to offend. It's just that anti-intellectual American-isolationist religious extremists like Gary make me embarrassed to be a heterosexual living in the United States. Not that my sexuality is any of your fucking business, but perhaps knowing that, Gary will respect me more and think that I am a better person based on that superficial characteristic of my personality. Get a brain of your own and start governing your own thoughts. Sam Paterson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcello Di Sante" Subject: (kw) Re. Newbie Date: 18 May 2000 09:36:23 +0200 Hi, Lisa; a Welcome from Italy !!! I noticed that no one mentions about the material released by the two faous ex-roboter Karl bartos & Wolfgang Flur. Well, you're strongly recommended to buy <> by Elektric Music (the first name given by Karl to his band; then he changed <> to <> but i don't think you would be very interested in his last cd !!!) and <