From: Miguel Angelo Caridade Praca Subject: (kw) Have you happy new year !!! Date: 02 Jan 2001 00:25:36 GMT Hi Werkers!!! I write to all fans and Kraftwerk members! Have you a happy new millenium : -) Desire the Kraftwerk fan Miguel Angelo from Brazil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sarahgri@interlog.com Subject: Re: (kw) The Hall of Mirrors analysis... Date: 01 Jan 2001 21:48:07 -0500 >btw : i completely agree with u in the point that "the hall of mirrors" >don't seem to "fit" in the "t.e.e." concept very well !!! ;-) >imho songs like "neon lights" & "metropolis" seem to "fit" even more in that >particular concept of "t.e.e." , than "showroom dummies" & "the hall of >mirrors" !!! Hmmm... I always thought that this song was about THE "Hall of Mirrors", located in Versailles. This famous hallway witnessed many historical events, one of which was the proclamation of the German Empire, as well as the signing of the Treaty of Versailles. So when Hutter sings about the young man stepping into the "Hall of Mirrors", perhaps he is partially talking about the feelings people experience when exploring historical places haunted with the ghosts and memories of the past (like the feelings I got when I went to Westminster Abbey and Stonehenge). If this is truly a song about the "Hall of Mirrors" in Versailles, then I think it fits in well with the rest of the album, as "Trans Europe Express" is mostly an album about travelling the European countryside, and the "Hall of Mirrors" happens to be a famous tourist destination. Kling Klang! -Sarah :-) ____________________________________________________________________________ + IF YOU MISS ME YOU SHOULD TAKE SOME MEDICINE + ____________________________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: (kw) Death to Freezing Cold Weather! Date: 02 Jan 2001 18:49:43 -0500 Well, it's that time of year again, and so the family and I are off to Cozumel, Mexico, for some badly needed R&R and HOT WEATHER! I will not be entertaining any MD trade offers or answer any messages until after 1/13. See you then. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fecalfunhole Subject: (kw) Hans Zimmer Date: 02 Jan 2001 22:22:32 -0500 Not sure if anyone already posted this, or really cares.. The 'Gladiator' DVD extra disc has a wonderful interview with Hans Zimmer, who is wearing an olive Robots t-shirt. Hope that amuses someone. .b FREE ANONYMOUS EMAIL! Sign up now. http://www.subdimension.com/freemail # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fecalfunhole Subject: Re: (kw) The Hall of Mirrors analysis... Date: 02 Jan 2001 23:07:08 -0500 I love your historical viewpoint. Works better than my "halls of medicine" concept.. And ending with the very provocative "tourist destination" really hits hard. That concept is very abstract and beautiful.. Europe Endless - regarding the nostalgia and history, Hall of Mirrors - that decadence leads into it's introspection. Showroom Dummies - the detatchment from the individuality. In a sense, they really have to go together. TEE just takes the rest of the album through those same speculations - it passes too quickly. Just like fame and individuality and nostalgia. .b > > > >btw : i completely agree with u in the point that "the hall of mirrors" > >don't seem to "fit" in the "t.e.e." concept very well !!! ;-) > >imho songs like "neon lights" & "metropolis" seem to "fit" even more in > that > >particular concept of "t.e.e." , than "showroom dummies" & "the hall of > >mirrors" !!! > > Hmmm... > > I always thought that this song was about THE "Hall of Mirrors", located in > Versailles. This famous hallway witnessed many historical events, one of > which was the proclamation of the German Empire, as well as the signing of > the Treaty of Versailles. So when Hutter sings about the young man > stepping into the "Hall of Mirrors", perhaps he is partially talking about > the feelings people experience when exploring historical places haunted > with the ghosts and memories of the past (like the feelings I got when I > went to Westminster Abbey and Stonehenge). If this is truly a song about > the "Hall of Mirrors" in Versailles, then I think it fits in well with the > rest of the album, as "Trans Europe Express" is mostly an album about > travelling the European countryside, and the "Hall of Mirrors" happens to > be a famous tourist destination. > > Kling Klang! > > -Sarah :-) FREE ANONYMOUS EMAIL! Sign up now. http://www.subdimension.com/freemail # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: (kw) Few things. Date: 03 Jan 2001 10:30:29 -0000 1. this months Future Music takes a look at Autobahn in 'A look at groundbreaking albums of yesteryear'. nothing new basically. 2. Add N To (X) claim to be the antithesis of Kraftwerk - the force machines to become organic rather by dropping them on the floor, rather than become one with the machine. 3. BEST CHRISTMAS PRESENT EVER!! a friend gave me the first Kraftwerk album 'Kraftwerk', at least, that's what I think it is. four tracks ruckzuck 7:47 stratovarius 12:10 megaherz 9:30 vom himmel hoch 10:12 I don't have a record player here either :( must wait till I return to the UK. That's it. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) The Model Date: 03 Jan 2001 12:52:23 +0100 Just heard a cover version of The Model which I heard never before: It's by Chris Whitley from his album "Live At Martyr's" -- just banjo and bluesy vocals, and it's quite funny. Jan ^^^v^^^ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "Wenn man bedenkt, dass das Ganze nichts auf sich hat..." -- Hanns Dieter H=FCsch =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D reetze@t-online.de http://www.felix-bloch-erben.de/autoren/drehbuch/reetze.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Cloudy Cloud Calculator Date: 03 Jan 2001 11:58:19 +0000 sarahgri@interlog.com wrote: > > Hey! > > Anyone heard of Takako Minekawa? I hadn't, but thanks for the tip! I found some audio files at http://www.emperornorton.com/artists/takako/ The music I've heard so far shows a peculiar blend of influences. J.Garcia wrote: > > A short note to let you know about my new Kraftwerk pages, of interest for > collectors. [...] > http://www.navegalia.com/personal/elektrik/kraftwerk/ Very good, we need more dedicated "theme" sites of this quality! Matthew Large wrote: > 2. Add N To (X) claim to be the antithesis of Kraftwerk Ah, they claim all sorts of things, that lot. :-) K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) The Hall of Mirrors analysis... Date: 03 Jan 2001 11:58:19 +0000 Andrew Dieffenbach wrote: > "He made up the person he wanted to be and changed into a new > personality. Even the greatest stars change themselves in the looking > glass." It is a common fact that the experience a person who has taken > LSD can very often leave a drastic impression on him or her. This song is, it's always seemed to me, very clearly about narcissism, distorted self-perception and other "altered states" resulting from being an "'artist'". Kraftwerk have always been aware of these issues, which, I would argue, underlie almost every action they take, from their packaging as a band (whether as new Europeans, mannekins, robots or whatever) through to their consistent love-hate relationship with fame. sarahgri@interlog.com wrote: > I always thought that this song was about THE "Hall of Mirrors", located in > Versailles. This famous hallway witnessed many historical events, one of > which was the proclamation of the German Empire, as well as the signing of > the Treaty of Versailles. I only read about THE Hall of Mirrors fairly recently, and of course I did wonder about the Kraftwerk song. I still think the lyrics are unambiguously about the self-image of "artists", but the title (in its German version, 'Spiegelsaal') must have an extra resonance for German listeners. The injured national pride caused by the Treaty of Versailles encouraged the mindset in which National Socialism and other extremist movements flourished: once again Kraftwerk can be seen to be alluding to sensitive issues in modern German history, but only if the listener so decides! Otherwise, it can all be put down to their awareness of the Zeitgeist. Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) Few things. Date: 03 Jan 2001 08:55:58 -0700 Happy New Years, everyone! >2. Add N To (X) claim to be the antithesis of Kraftwerk. They sure are, and they suck at "whatever" is that they do. >I always thought that this song was about THE "Hall of Mirrors", >located in Versailles. [...] So when Hutter sings about the young >man stepping into the "Hall of Mirrors", perhaps he is partially >talking about the feelings people experience when exploring >historical places haunted with the ghosts and memories of the past Cool take on it. I loved it. (note to self: get siouxie & the banshees mp3 of HoM from the net) >Just heard a cover version of The Model which I heard never before: >It's by Chris Whitley from his album "Live At Martyr's" [...] >Anyone heard of Takako Minekawa? (note to self: get those mp3's also... boy I love these tips! :-)) Enrique. np: "Newbuild" 808 State # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peeters Ivo" Subject: (kw) Trancewerk express III Date: 03 Jan 2001 19:17:09 +0100 Someone offered on ebay a copy of Trancewerk express III (vol. 3?). This release was not known by me. Does somebody on the list know more or was it just a typing mistake? Ivo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Finarvas Subject: Re: (kw) Trancewerk express III Date: 04 Jan 2001 00:13:52 +0100 Peeters Ivo wrote: > Someone offered on ebay a copy of Trancewerk express III (vol. 3?). This > release was not known by me. Does somebody on the list know more or was it > just a typing mistake? > > Ivo My guess is that it's in fact version three of the collection containing trance-remixes by various artists of Kraftwerk songs but I didn't know there was a vol3. I have vol1 and although I'm not really that much into trance I like it a lot, very good remixes imho. /Finarvas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Best 80 bands of the century Date: 04 Jan 2001 15:42:09 +0100 Spanish M-80 Radio Broadcast have selected the best 80 bands of the last century. Kraftwerk are number 20. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peeters Ivo" Subject: Re: (kw) Trancewerk express III Date: 04 Jan 2001 19:25:29 +0100 I have the two first volumes too but I don't know about any third volume. I don't find any information on the Cleopatra/Hypnotic site neither. Ivo > > My guess is that it's in fact version three of the collection containing > trance-remixes by various artists of Kraftwerk songs but I didn't know there was > a vol3. I have vol1 and although I'm not really that much into trance I like it a > lot, very good remixes imho. > > /Finarvas > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peeters Ivo" Subject: Re: (kw) Trancewerk express III Date: 04 Jan 2001 23:09:25 +0100 The matter has been solved. I have received a mail a few moments ago from the person offering the record and it seems that he made a typing mistake. Ivo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Reed" Subject: (kw) I Was A Robot. Date: 05 Jan 2001 20:33:17 -0000 English translation out now. Having read it, it appears that Wolfgang/Karl's story is very similar to that of the Smiths : a reclusive brainchild takes financial advantage of the backroom boys then claims they are disposable, replacable parts of the man-machine. (Interesting some of those stories, I can see why Ralf and Florian wouldn't want to see them seeing the light of day). M "Gonna shut down the Shakur, shift Shiva off my shelf, take down my tie dyes, my jangling bells, cool down my Karma with EST, because there's one thing I know. I Ain't Going To Goa." The Very Reverend Dr D Wayne Love (First Minister Of The First Presleytarian Church Of Elvis The Divine UK) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JandSNuckels@webtv.net (Jason & Sherry Nuckels) Subject: (kw) Anthony Rother and Mantronix Date: 05 Jan 2001 13:11:10 -0800 (PST) Help! Would someone out there be willing to make me CDR copies of any Anthony Rother material they have, as well as the song "I Sing The Body Electro" by Mantronix? I have lots of KW, KW-related and other Synthpop/Electro to offer in trade. Thanks! Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jan Svenungsson Subject: (kw) Hall of Mirrors debate Date: 05 Jan 2001 16:15:42 -0500 Just a few days ago I "stepped into the Hall of Mirrors" at Versailles. O= f course I was hearing a certain song in my head at that moment. And of course Sarah is right: that song would not have had the lyrics it has, ha= d it not been for this very concrete architectural artifact. But a successf= ul song - artwork - novel - whatever - is successful just because it manages= to suggest different realities to different people. You can never pin it down definitely. So I'm happy to accept some LSD in the Hall of Mirrors -= why not? Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jzurdo" Subject: (kw) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 23:38:45 +0100 Date: 05 Jan 2001 15:38:35 -0700 Hi Today on Viva Zwei. 2 New, after Fast Forward. This video has been and sure will be broadcasted many times on Viva Zwei son if you can´t get it today don´t desperate !!! Bye. Jzurdo. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Balanescu Quartet Date: 06 Jan 2001 11:17:25 +0100 Balanescu Quartet have allegedly re-released their Possessed (Reed) album CDSTUMM111. Date of release: 02/2000. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) The Hall of Mirrors analysis... Date: 06 Jan 2001 21:15:36 +0100 In an old interview it was mentioned that Huetter once planned (or did) a room with mirrors all around. Probably just for fun. There's also a big "Spiegelsaal" in Ludwig II of Bavaria's castle at Herrenchiemsee. It was modelled after Versailles. It would fit in with "parks, hotels and palaces". Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Serjeant" Subject: (kw) Top 100 UK Number 1s Date: 08 Jan 2001 14:05:29 -0000 Hi As I get the digest of this discussion group, I don’t know yet if anyone has posted anything about the Channel 4 Top 100 Number One Singles, as voted for by the British public and screened on Channel 4 on Saturday night. If this topic has been covered already, and I expect it has – many apologies!! I grovel humbly before you. Well with Imagine by John Lennon at number one, Kraftwerk only made it as far as a paltry number 89 with The Model (a couple of places below Kylie and “I Should Be So Lucky” - !!!) . There was, however, an amusing interview with Bernard Sumner and Peter Hook from New Order who claimed that after they had released Blue Monday in 1983, Kraftwerk had been in touch to ask how they got the bass drum sound. “Oh we can send you a sample.” offered New Order. “No,” came the reply, “we need to know the process.” Marc Almond also offered his thoughts on The Model, but I can’t remember what he said to be honest. Also, I received the Madonna album in my Xmas stocking this year, and after scratching my head and wondering what the hell you were all on about a while ago, I can now agree that, yes, I can see what you mean about Music and TEE, and would like to add that the last single (whatever it’s called) reminds me of Autechre in some of the sounds used. Happy New Year Dave _ . - : * ' ` ` ' * : - . _ . - : * ' ` ` ' * : - . _ gratuitous advertising: http://www.burnellbnb.fsnet.co.uk _ . - : * ' ` ` ' * : - . _ . - : * ' ` ` ' * : - . _ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Top 100 UK Number 1s Date: 08 Jan 2001 14:44:11 +0000 David Serjeant wrote: > There was, however, an amusing interview > with Bernard Sumner and Peter Hook from New Order who claimed that after > they had released Blue Monday in 1983, Kraftwerk had been in touch to ask > how they got the bass drum sound. =93Oh we can send you a sample.=94 offered = New > Order. =93No,=94 came the reply, =93we need to know the process.=94 Every time they dust off this anecdote it comes out different! :-D K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) The Hall of Mirrors analysis... Date: 08 Jan 2001 10:15:35 -0700 Rick Jansen wrote: >In an old interview it was mentioned that Huetter once >planned (or did) a room with mirrors all around. >Probably just for fun. >There's also a big "Spiegelsaal" in Ludwig II of Bavaria's >castle at Herrenchiemsee. It was modelled after Versailles. Very impressive, but I have to say the only hall of mirrors I have ever seen is the one in the Bruce Lee movie "Dragon (something)". If in fact they have a room like that, I imagine Florian chasing Ralf around with a glove shaped as a knife during their breaks :-) Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) Speak'N Spell sighting Date: 08 Jan 2001 10:18:47 -0700 To all of you Speak'N Spell fans outhere, do yourselves a favor and check out "Kicks" by Mo Deaf, its truly splendid! Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: Speak'N Spell sighting Date: 08 Jan 2001 20:08:25 +0100 Enrique C notes: > To all of you Speak'N Spell fans outhere /.../ check out "Kicks" by Mo Deaf... I'm still waiting for Kraftwerk to record with Stephen Hawking (http://www.mchawking.com/). Alas, the man is a Depeche Mode fan... (http://www.hawking.org.uk/about/qa.html#depeche) -- Champagne for my real friends. Real pain for my sham friends. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Familie de Haan Subject: Re: (kw) The Hall of Mirrors analysis... Date: 08 Jan 2001 21:22:57 +0100 Hmmm, a room full of mirrors... kinky... >> In an old interview it was mentioned that Huetter once >> planned (or did) a room with mirrors all around. -- "Computer games don't affect kids. I mean if Pacman affected us as kids, we'd all run around in a darkened room munching pills and listening to repetitive music." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) The Hall of Mirrors synthesis! Date: 09 Jan 2001 00:24:30 +0100 Familie de Haan wrote: > > Hmmm, a room full of mirrors... kinky... > > >> In an old interview it was mentioned that Huetter once > >> planned (or did) a room with mirrors all around. Mmm, have you never looked at yourself in your bathroom mirror using a small hand mirror? It's a nice effect. And it proves glass is actually green! And do experience the frustration that you don't have a mirror with a hole in the middle! But, in all honesty, I think this track was "simply" inspired by experimenting with sounds. If you know how to use a modular synthesizer here's roughly(!) how to do the mirror sound: 3 VCO's, sine wave, ca 1kHz, outputs connected to the VCA, no filter. 2 LFO's, sawtooth /|, 1 LFO controlling the FM of one VCO, ca. 0.1 Hz 1 LFO controlling the FM of the other two VCO's, ca 0.2 Hz, the LFO's out of phase. 1 LFO, triangle, controlling the AM of the VCA, ca 4 Hz 1 VCA Add a generous amount of tweaking and clever echo, and there's the mirror sound. The trick is to tune the LFO's so that you get the specific "rhythm" of the original. I had hoped they would play this sound live too, in '81, but a very simple sound was used instead, just a sort of "pinggg!" instead of this great wobbly sound. I do understand though, it's a difficult sound to reproduce, and there was not that much time for creating a sound live, certainly not in the early 80's, where presets were rare, and MIDI non-existant... This wobbly mirror sound is actually one of my favourite Kraftwerk sounds, it must have kept them occupied many many hours back then to do it as good as they did, with the distorted mirror and all. Also from old interviews: Huetter often referred to synthesizers as "acoustical mirrors", "reflecting directly how you feel". (I won't claim to understand THAT, while sober!) Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale Emery Subject: Re: (kw) The Hall of Mirrors synthesis! Date: 08 Jan 2001 17:24:08 -0700 Would you mind helping me to identify which sound in Hall Of Mirrors we are speaking about? 1. Is it the initial shimmering "round" of sounds, or 2. the percussive sound which comes next, echoing but providing a solitary beat, or 3. the soft bum -bum tone which provides a bass line of sorts, or 4. the melody sound, a sort of chorus dividing the vocals? Rick Jansen wrote: But, in all honesty, I think this track was "simply" inspired by > experimenting with sounds. If you know how to use a modular > synthesizer here's roughly(!) how to do the mirror sound: > (almost all quoted text snipped out, did you notice, Mr. Picky List Software?) Bix # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sarahgri@interlog.com Subject: Re: (kw) The Hall of Mirrors analysis... Date: 08 Jan 2001 20:27:13 -0500 >I imagine Florian chasing Ralf around with a glove shaped >as a knife during their breaks :-) Mmmm... I like the sound of that! >;-9 And speaking of sexy Herr Hutter, is it true that there's a pic of him and Florian in the shower together? God, how I would love to have THAT on my hard disk! Someone please forward me the picture if it actually exists and if anyone happens to have it. (Nothing turns me on like hearing Ralfie pant heavily on 'Tour De France'!) Kling Klang! -Sarah :-) ____________________________________________________________________________ + IF YOU MISS ME YOU SHOULD TAKE SOME MEDICINE + ____________________________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "richard marston" Subject: (kw) Techie question Date: 09 Jan 2001 09:47:09 -0000 Hi Werkers I want to back up my mp3 collection of KW tracks onto a CD (or probably CDs, to be more accurate). How do I convert the mp3 files to audio CD file format -- i.e. what software do I need to do the conversion? I use an Apple Mac, but other list members may want to know about Windows options. Thanks. PS I'm not interested in trades, so no point making offers. :-) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Finarvas Subject: Re: (kw) Techie question Date: 09 Jan 2001 11:38:01 +0100 > > How do I convert the mp3 files to audio CD file format -- i.e. what software > do I need to do the conversion? I use an Apple Mac, but other list members > may want to know about Windows options. > I use Nero Burning rom 5 which automaticly converts the mp3-files when you burn them on a cd as audio cd. I know there are other programs which can convert from .mp3 or .wav to .cda files but I don't know their names.. /Finarvas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) Techie question Date: 09 Jan 2001 04:58:21 -0700 (MST) On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, richard marston wrote: > How do I convert the mp3 files to audio CD file format -- i.e. what software > do I need to do the conversion? I use an Apple Mac, but other list members > may want to know about Windows options. I know WinAmp can convert any format it plays to WAV, but I don't know if it's available for Mac. Cubic Player can do it as well, but it's only a DOS program. So can XMMS for Linux/Unix systems. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: RE: (kw) Techie question Date: 09 Jan 2001 15:01:15 +0100 Hello MacWerkers, I use a software called "MPecker Drop Decoder 1=2E6=2E4", a=20= drag and drop application that automatically converts any MPEG-1 or MPEG-2=20= LSF layer 1, layer 2 or layer 3 audio file into an AIFF file, the format used=20= on CD:s are usually =2EAIFF in Mac:s and WAV in PC:s, dont ask me why, maby=20= someone knows=2E=2E=2E And PLEASE NO MAC IS BETTER THAN PC OR VICE VERSA!!!! Regards / Johan Hi Werkers I want to back up my mp3 collection of KW tracks onto a CD (or probably CDs,=20= to be more accurate)=2E How do I convert the mp3 files to audio CD file format -- i=2Ee=2E what software=20= do I need to do the conversion? I use an Apple Mac, but other list members=20= may want to know about Windows options=2E Thanks=2E PS I'm not interested in trades, so no point making offers=2E :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Golden Shower pic (was RE: (kw) The Hall of Mirrors analysis...) Date: 09 Jan 2001 07:58:01 -0700 Sarah wrote: >And speaking of sexy Herr Hutter, is it true that there's a pic of >him and Florian in the shower together? Sorry to disappoint you, but Ralf was probably the one taking the picture, since he's not in it. The so called "golden shower" picture was doing a round way back when Wolfgang's book was first released in Germany, and it shows Wolfgang and Florian [only] taking a shower outdoors. The way they looked together, smiling and having a good old time doing "that", was somewhat disturbing to watch and had to erase it from my drive :-P Enrique FYI: They're both shown from waist up only Kling Klang! np: "Objeto Sexual" Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Transe Express Date: 09 Jan 2001 16:30:02 +0100 There is a French theatre company called Transe Express which last performance is named 'Mobile Homme'. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Familie de Haan Subject: Re: (kw) Techie question Date: 09 Jan 2001 19:37:10 +0100 adaptec toast burns (most) MP3 direct to CD but is commercial Soundjam can convert most audio formats to MP3 or AIFF, there is a free (read stripped) and a full version (read commercial) Audion (www.panic.com) is way sexier than soundjam and costs a snip. has the same functions as soundjam there are serialz available happy burning! -- "Computer games don't affect kids. I mean if Pacman affected us as kids, we'd all run around in a darkened room munching pills and listening to repetitive music." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark J Stagg" Subject: (kw) Expo Remix UK vinyl realease Date: 09 Jan 2001 19:32:55 +0000 Following the UK CD issue, there's now a vinyl version to be found in HMV and other UK music stores. Same double pack vinyl, same tracks, but different packaging: the "four figures" graphic on the front, and the "four heads" photo and the original Expo sqiggle on either side of the 2 inners. Staggboy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: Golden Shower pic Date: 09 Jan 2001 22:40:28 +0100 Enrique Correa writes: > The way they looked together, smiling and having a good old time doing "that"... The only thing they're 'doing' is taking a shower. A regular one, mind you. -- Champagne for my real friends. Real pain for my sham friends. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peeters Ivo" Subject: (kw) Cover version of 'The model' Date: 13 Jan 2001 00:00:08 +0100 For those who might be interested. A cover of 'The model' has been released by Belgian artist Kloot Per W on his 3CD set 'Moon: a cassette anthology 1979-1986' on HKM in December 2000. In fact, this had already been released in the early '80's on a tape, but I don't know the title of that tape. Ivo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sarahgri@interlog.com Subject: Re: Golden Shower pic (was RE: (kw) The Hall of Mirrors analysis...) Date: 12 Jan 2001 19:55:44 -0500 >The way they looked together, smiling and having a good old time doing >"that", was somewhat disturbing to watch and had to erase it from my drive :-P Hey! Homoerotica is a beautiful thing, especially when two sexy German boys are involved! >;-D I'd like to thank both Andreas and Sam for sending me those pictures - I will treasure them always! <(-) Kling Klang! -Sarah :-) ____________________________________________________________________________ + IF YOU MISS ME YOU SHOULD TAKE SOME MEDICINE + ____________________________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank X. Cordero" Subject: Re: (kw) Cover version of 'The model' Date: 13 Jan 2001 02:36:44



A cover version of "The Model" has been released by Funkstar Deluxe.  May be found on the Technicolour Kraftwerk Tribute Compilation.
 
 

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# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Raymond" Subject: Re: (kw) The Hall of Mirrors analysis... Date: 13 Jan 2001 13:57:37 +0100 >(Nothing turns me on like hearing Ralfie pant heavily on 'Tour De France'!) Actually - if I remember correctly - according to Wolfgang in his book, it's Florian doing the panting. Still turned on? :-) Raymond www.theatreoftragedy.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fecalfunhole Subject: Re: Golden Shower pic (was RE: (kw) The Hall of Mirrors analysis...) Date: 13 Jan 2001 13:06:56 -0500 And while we're at it lets reinstitute the penocracy. Oops, wrong newsgroup? %) But seriously, do that many people initially think it's a gay pic? Maybe it's those moist carefree smiles that gay people are renouned for.. Erotic, definately. It's about time someone took lead for boy bands to just start marketing the porn anyhow. If they have to wait until the reunion tour they've lost most marketability and are leathery, bitter old ex-teen idols. How about that little crippled dude from Suede, the brother, you know, getting it on with that other dude from N'Sync - the big one with the full beard.. now hose them down.. yeah, pasty wet porn. Get a tissue. They must be pretty confident in their own sexualities to allow it to be relea... oh, I forgot it was removed. .b > > > >The way they looked together, smiling and having a good old time doing > >"that", was somewhat disturbing to watch and had to erase it from my drive > :-P > > Hey! > > Homoerotica is a beautiful thing, especially when two sexy German boys are > involved! >;-D > > I'd like to thank both Andreas and Sam for sending me those pictures - I > will treasure them always! <(-) > > Kling Klang! > > -Sarah :-) FREE ANONYMOUS EMAIL! Sign up now. http://www.subdimension.com/freemail # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bjorn Hermans Subject: (kw) Senor Coconut Date: 13 Jan 2001 20:02:01 +0100 Hi, About two weeks ago I stumbled across a very weird CD containing _Latin_(!) covers of Kraftwerk numbers. The CD is from "Senor Coconut Y Su Conjunto" and is entitled "El Baile Aleman". The covers and inlay are very weird as well, yet try very much to mimic a Kraftwerk-esque style of cover (e.g. much like "The Robots" and "Electric Cafe"). Numbers included on the CD are classics like "Showroom Dummies" (in a Cha-Cha-Cha version), "Autobahn" (in a Merengue version) and "Tour de France" (in a very fast Merengue version). I hadn't seen this CD before, not even on CD fairs... What is the most striking about the CD is that although all the numbers are in a Latin version, the performers have tried to stay as close to the originals as is possible. This CD is really one which should not be missed! Greetings, Bjorn. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lars Nellemann" Subject: Re: (kw) Senor Coconut Date: 13 Jan 2001 20:26:20 +0100 > About two weeks ago I stumbled across a very weird CD containing > _Latin_(!) covers of Kraftwerk numbers. Welcome to the list Bjorn - you've obviously not been here long, Senor Coconuts CD have been discussed in details wehn it came out - but it is indeed a very good tribute. Which leads me to - does anybody knows what tracks are on the Senor coconut: Showroom dummies CDsingle? Lars # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JL Jones" Subject: (kw) astralwerks and expo2000 Date: 13 Jan 2001 17:14:58 -0500 this showed up in my mail from another list if this is redundant, my apologies KRAFTWERK > EXPO 2000 Astralwerks is extremely proud to announce that we will be releasing a US only remix edition of the Kraftwerk single "EXPO 2000" on March 6. The track was originally written for the German EXPO festival as a 30 second jingle and marked the first new musical output from the band in over 13 years. The attention that new music from Kraftwerk garnered prompted the band to turn the jingle into a proper song which was originally released in its un-remixed form in November 1999. Throughout the year Kraftwerk commissioned some of the most important and influential remixers and producers to rework EXPO 2000. In addition to Kraftwerks' own Kling Klang mixes are re-mixes by Orbital, Francois K, DJ Rolando and Underground Resistance. Here is the track listing: 1. Expo 2000 - Kling Klang Mix 2000 2. Expo 2000 - Kling Klang Mix 2002 3. Expo 2000 - Kling Klang Mix 2001 4. Expo 2000 - Orbital Mix 5. Expo 2000 - Francois K + Rob Rives Mix 6. Expo 2000 - DJ Rolando Mix 7. Expo 2000 - Underground Resistance Mix 8. Expo 2000 - UR Infiltrated Mix 9. Expo 2000 - UR Thought 3 Mix Jim J@home icq : 718010 aim : elektrikjones Back to the acid mines for you! - Homer Simpson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: (kw) EXPO REMIX - Video Date: 14 Jan 2001 15:46:54 +0100 VIVA ZWEI, "D-TONAL", Jan. 15th, 02:00-03:00 CET (belongs to the Sunday's program) don't miss it ;-) Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Dean" Subject: (kw) Trans Vaal Express Date: 15 Jan 2001 15:43:36 +0200 I'm back from South Africa and in NL now :( I got Trans Slovenia Express for R25 (about £2 in UK). Imagine my surprise! And my disgust when I played it, not exactly very nice... Any new material besides Expo Remix??? Bye, Matt ps. For anyone living in South Africa, check out the CD shop Vibes in N1 City, Goodwood (WC). They have loads of cheap cheap CDs... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andréas Hagström" Subject: (kw) tdf-graphic Date: 15 Jan 2001 16:41:41 Does anyone know who made the covergraphic for TdF? Is it Emil Schult? I cant find any info about it. Not on the cover itself or in the book "Man Machine Music". I would be very happy for an answer. /Andréas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Familie de Haan Subject: (kw) [OT] : : PROJECTO GOLDEN SHOWER ONLINE : : Date: 15 Jan 2001 19:55:39 +0100 For lovers of 8Ts synth-disco, beautifuls websites and a lot of tongue in cheek check out: http://www.goldenshower.gs/e/home.html There's MP3's and a video which you got to see. -- It is said, "To err is human," That quote from alt.times.lore, Alas, you have made an error, So I say, "404." 404 by Dan Black # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "eduardo monteiro" Subject: (kw) trade - senor coconut by kraftwerk Date: 15 Jan 2001 21:42:14 -0200 Hi, werkers. I have many videos with KRAFTWERK in action, recorded at 91, 92 and 98 tours. This concerts are available for trade (VHS video, NTSC color system). In exchange, I want the CD called "El Baile Aleman", by Senor Coconut or CDs by Tangerine Dream (Tyger, Thief, and others). If you are interested, please, e-mail me privately. BOING !! BOOM !! TSCHAK !! eduardo monteiro from BRAZIL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "eduardo monteiro" Subject: (kw) kraftwerk X gary numan - trade Date: 15 Jan 2001 21:59:24 -0200 Hi, werkers. I have many videos with KRAFTWERK in action, recorded at 91, 92 and 98 tours. This concerts are available for trade (VHS video, NTSC color system). In exchange, I want the video called "MICROMUSIC" by Gary Numan or CDs by Tangerine Dream (Tyger, Thief, and others). If you are interested, please, e-mail me privately. BOING !! BOOM !! TSCHAK !! eduardo monteiro from BRAZIL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) CW album cover image Date: 16 Jan 2001 14:00:53 +0100 Several months ago it was discussed here about the 'Computer World' / 'Computerwelt' album cover image. Since this album is from 1981 I think the computer can be the 8010 Star Information System created by Rank Xerox at Xerox PARC. At least it is very similar. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "richard marston" Subject: (kw) tdf-graphic Date: 16 Jan 2001 18:51:02 -0000 "Does anyone know who made the covergraphic for TdF?" The cover design was inspired by a Hungarian postage stamp, printed in dark brown on an orange background, one of a set of ten commorative stamps featuring different sports (the other stamps had different colours). The series was issued in August 1953 and was to celebrate the opening of the then new Peoples' Stadium in Budapest. I posted a b&w scan of it at: http://www.egroups.com/files/kraftwerkfans/Tour+de+France/1313_53.jpg You'll see that even the background colours of Kraftwerk's TdF cover were determined by the design of that stamp. As to who actually modified -- I mean designed -- the actual artwork for KW's cover, who knows? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Outburn Date: 16 Jan 2001 19:01:32 -0000 Hello Kraftwerker's A new Kraftwerk release entitled "Outburn" can be pre-ordered from Amazon.com. I do not know if this is the new album or not. No release date given. Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) kraftwerk "ausgebrannt" ??? *MWG* ;-))) Date: 16 Jan 2001 23:12:46 +0100 hi kwf's ! Robert Evans wrote : ~ A new Kraftwerk release entitled "Outburn" ~ can be pre-ordered from Amazon.com. HUH_??? *indeed_very_puzzled_look* :-o sorry , but what kind of "silly joke" is this , mate ??? *jus'_curious* ;-) ~ I do not know if this is the new album or not. "the new album" ??? *stared_in_disbelieve* :-o with a name like "ausgebrannt" ( in german language ;-) ??? *XLG* ;-))) > No release date given. well ... possibly in 2003 ... after the next re-released , re-recorded & re-remixed expo 2000 extra special limited edition cd-rom with holographic flight simulator & kling klang studio robots role playin' game & "stuff" like that ... erm ... yes !!! *ROTFLOL* ;-))) however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern germany !!! ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) - formerly known as micROBOT "the new ROBOT voice" ! ;-) btw ( once again ;-) : THERE'S_NO_BOT_LIKE_micRO-BOT_!!! *LOL* ;-))) *~\^/~* my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my very own website : www.cybernetx-media.de ( still under "heavy" construction ... jus' like "the new album" by kw !!! *hehehe* ;-))) one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@gmx.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Claycomb" Subject: (kw) Computer World bonus track(?) Date: 16 Jan 2001 21:42:12 -0500 Does anyone know about this bonus track on the Computer World LP/CD/Cassette ((http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000071FM/qid=979698581/sr=1-25/re f=sc_m_25/103-1207426-8718200))?!?!?!? =:-0 It's listed @ Amazon.com for $33.99. Is it worth it? BTW.....They also have the remastered Kraftwerk CD's of the originals. Cheers Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Mills Subject: RE: (kw) Outburn Date: 17 Jan 2001 09:09:26 -0000 Are we sure this isn't just a mispelt/mis-heard "Autobahn" ??? Paul M. -----Original Message----- Sent: 16 January 2001 19:02 Hello Kraftwerker's A new Kraftwerk release entitled "Outburn" can be pre-ordered from Amazon.com. I do not know if this is the new album or not. No release date given. Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Outburn again Date: 17 Jan 2001 11:06:12 -0000 "Outburn" The last thing that I would want to do is spread crazy rumours. Rather than criticize me why not look at Amazon.com and look at the Kraftwerk discography and then tell me I am lying. I merely point out something and I receive abuse. Amazon are inviting you to spend $35 or so on this "invisible" album/single/EP whatever it is, so they are the ones playing the joke and not me. Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Oh Jay Date: 17 Jan 2001 11:09:20 -0000 And by the way, Oh Jay, or whoever you are, you are very rude. Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andréas Hagström" Subject: Re: (kw) tdf-graphic Date: 17 Jan 2001 15:43:33 I own this stamp and its very nice to see the small changes they have done. For instance they have updated the bikes with more modern gears... But the question remains... who made these changes? /Andreas richard marston wrote: "The cover design was inspired by a Hungarian postage stamp, printed in dark brown on an orange background, one of a set of ten commorative stamps featuring different sports (the other stamps had different colours). The series was issued in August 1953 and was to celebrate the opening of the then new Peoples' Stadium in Budapest." _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) another kw "outburned" by now !!! *MWG* ;-))) Date: 17 Jan 2001 17:59:19 +0100 hi kwf's ! a lil' "fainthearted" Robert Evans wrote : ~ "Outburn" ~ ~ The last thing that I would want to do is spread crazy rumours. well ... i'm sorry to say this , but that's what u did actually !!! :-/ ~ Rather than criticize me why not look at Amazon.com sorry again , but do u still "believe" all those "stuff" they advertise at amazon.com or elsewhere ??? *jus'_curious* ~ and look at the Kraftwerk discography and then tell me I am lying. geez !!! >:-O nobody said ( or even thought ;-) that u are a liar , mate !!! *phew* :-o calm down & let it slide , rob !!! ;-) ~ I merely point out something and I receive abuse. "abuse" ??? *puzzled_look* :-o from whom ??? *very_curious_by_now* u've said , what u have to say ... & i've said , that i don't believe in such a release ... in a more jokin' manner !!! ;-) that's all there is !!! ;-) if u don't understand such kind of humor , then it's your problem ... finally !!! ;-) ~ Amazon are inviting you to spend $35 or so ~ on this "invisible" album/single/EP whatever it is, ~ so they are the ones playing the joke and not me. ... but u are the one who've spread those "rumor" to us , mate !!! ;-) don't try to deny that !!! *VBG* ;-))) however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern germany !!! ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) - formerly known as micROBOT "the new ROBOT voice" ! ;-) btw ( once again ;-) : THERE'S_NO_BOT_LIKE_micRO-BOT_!!! *LOL* ;-))) *~\^/~* my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my very own website : www.cybernetx-media.de ( "temporarily" under "heavy" construction ... once again !!! *XLG* ;-))) one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@gmx.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Christian's Bonus Track Date: 17 Jan 2001 17:37:28 -0000 The bonus track on the Computer World album in question is "Dentaku", and is longer than the one found on The Mix album. Rob. P.S. Oh Jay has Burned Out. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) another kw "outburned" by now !!! *MWG* ;-))) Date: 17 Jan 2001 17:50:34 -0000 UH-HO, FLAMEWAR ALERT! hi kwf's ! a lil' "fainthearted" Robert Evans wrote : ~ "Outburn" ~ ~ The last thing that I would want to do is spread crazy rumours. well ... i'm sorry to say this , but that's what u did actually !!! :-/ ~ Rather than criticize me why not look at Amazon.com sorry again , but do u still "believe" all those "stuff" they advertise at amazon.com or elsewhere ??? *jus'_curious* ~ and look at the Kraftwerk discography and then tell me I am lying. geez !!! >:-O nobody said ( or even thought ;-) that u are a liar , mate !!! *phew* :-o calm down & let it slide , rob !!! ;-) ~ I merely point out something and I receive abuse. "abuse" ??? *puzzled_look* :-o from whom ??? *very_curious_by_now* u've said , what u have to say ... & i've said , that i don't believe in such a release ... in a more jokin' manner !!! ;-) that's all there is !!! ;-) if u don't understand such kind of humor , then it's your problem ... finally !!! ;-) ~ Amazon are inviting you to spend $35 or so ~ on this "invisible" album/single/EP whatever it is, ~ so they are the ones playing the joke and not me. ... but u are the one who've spread those "rumor" to us , mate !!! ;-) don't try to deny that !!! *VBG* ;-))) however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern germany !!! ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) - formerly known as micROBOT "the new ROBOT voice" ! ;-) btw ( once again ;-) : THERE'S_NO_BOT_LIKE_micRO-BOT_!!! *LOL* ;-))) *~\^/~* my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my very own website : www.cybernetx-media.de ( "temporarily" under "heavy" construction ... once again !!! *XLG* ;-))) one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@gmx.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Martland" Subject: (kw) Outburn Date: 17 Jan 2001 20:53:25 -0000 >A new Kraftwerk release entitled "Outburn" can be pre-ordered from Amazon.com. I do not know if this is the new album or not. No release date given.< Sorry to disappoint. I think this will be the misspelling of Autobahn from the Japanese catalogue - I should know I ordered the same from Tower Records and that's what I got. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) I was a robot (or was I?) Date: 17 Jan 2001 14:03:00 -0700 Just came back form a quick trip to Singapore, and I must say that Wolfgang's book (English edition) made my 48 hours roundtrip a bit more bearable, although I almost put the book aside when I read about his fears of flying and the tennis player's good fortune of missing that one flight that crashed... Wolfgang (if you're reading this) I loved the way you take the reader to the behind scenes, the anecdotes, the good the bad and the ugly of touring, and what being a Kraftwerk member (ex-member) meant to you all of these years. I congratulate you on such a good job. You seem to be a wonderful human being (I don't believe you were actually ever a robot), and I'm happy that you decided to share "I was a robot" with us. Thanks a lot, man! Forever grateful, Enrique a.k.a. gaucho_pop np: TEE Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "eduardo monteiro" Subject: (kw) kraftwerk - trade Date: 17 Jan 2001 20:52:19 -0200 Hi, werkers. I have many videos with KRAFTWERK in action, recorded at 91, 92 and 98 tours. This concerts are available for trade (VHS video, NTSC color system). In exchange, I want the CD called "El Baile Aleman" by Senor Coconut, the video "MICROMUSIC" by Gary Numan or CDs by Tangerine Dream (Tyger, Thief, and others). If you are interested, please, e-mail me privately. BOING !! BOOM !! TSCHAK !! eduardo monteiro from BRAZIL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) Outburn again Date: 17 Jan 2001 16:14:00 -0700 (MST) On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Robert Evans wrote: > "Outburn" > > Amazon are inviting you to spend $35 or so on this "invisible" > album/single/EP whatever it is, so they are the ones playing the joke and > not me. We all realize that. We're not attacking you. Myself, I'm sick of rumors of new albums. I bet this one is just another false alarm like that "Brief Introduction to Kraftwerk" bootleg that was passed off as official last year. I wish Ralf & Florian would make a concrete statement about their future plans so we don't have to get stressed about things like this. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Dean" Subject: (kw) gay KW?! Date: 18 Jan 2001 07:12:35 -0000 Hi, as you know I was in Africa for a month. Imagine my lack of understanding what the hell you guys are on about when there are talks of golden showers, gays and KW in one sentence. Can someone explain this, send pictures etc. as I'm sure this was a topic last year? Matt http://www.mattwerk.com Die hel van die noorde in Potchefstroom "Toer die Transvaal, Toer die Transvaal" Die Blouberge en Koppietjies "Toer die Transvaal, Toer die Transvaal" Ermelo en Middelburg "Toer die Transvaal, Toer die Transvaal" Laaste rit Pretoria "Toer die Transvaal, Toer die Transvaal" _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Amazon respond Date: 18 Jan 2001 10:05:33 -0000 Hi again Just to nip this in the bud, Amazon don't really know what it is, but they are selling it anyway. Ah well. Oh Jay let's be friends xxx Rob. >From: >To: robertevans1@hotmail.com >Subject: Your Feedback to Amazon.com >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:25:05 -0800 (PST) > >Dear Robert, > >Hello, and thanks for writing to Amazon.com! > >I did some research on Kraftwerk on our website, and "Outburn" does not >appear as part of their discography. It is possible that this is a >compilation disc of songs that appear on other albums. > >When a CD is listed on our web site as "Import," it simply means that >we obtain this title from a non-U.S. distributor. Often CDs produced >for foreign markets will be slightly different than the version >released in the U.S.; also, some titles are only available as imports. > >Differences between import and domestic versions of a particular title >can vary greatly. These may include different cover art, extra tracks >or missing tracks, or sometimes no changes at all. Prices on import >CDs also tend to be higher, reflecting the extra cost of obtaining the >item from a non-U.S. distributor. > >Our editorial staff is constantly increasing the amount of information >we provide about each item in our music store. Sometimes, however, >information on import CDs can be difficult to obtain and the detail >pages of some import CDs may be sparse. We encourage you to add to >our information by submitting customer reviews for your favorite (or >not-so-favorite) CDs. > >If you'd like to find more information about particular CDs, you might >try posting your question to one of our discussion boards. Click on >"Friends & Favorites" at the top of our home page, then click the >"Discussion Boards" link in the left-hand margin. > >To join a discussion, simply click on the topic that interests you. >If you haven't participated before, we'll ask you to register by >clicking the "sign up" link on the topic page. > >I hope this information helps. Let us know if you have any further >questions, and thanks for shopping at Amazon.com! > > >Best regards, > >Danielle Buckley >http://www.amazon.com >Need an instant gift? Send an Amazon.com gift certificate via e-mail: >http://www.amazon.com/gift-certificates >============================== >Check your order and more! http://www.amazon.com/your-account >Questions? We have your answers! http://www.amazon.com/help > > >Date: Wed Jan 17 07:05:07 PST 2001 > >Subject: Query > >To: feedback@amazon.com > >From: robertevans1@hotmail.com > > >Dear Sir or Madam > > > >I am writing to you because I would like information regarding a musical > >item that you have for sale. The item is a CD by Kraftwerk entitled > >"Outburn". Please if possible could you provide me with further details >of > >this release, i.e. the nature of it (whether it is a "best of", or an >album > >in it's own right, etc). Your help is most appreciated. > > > >Yours faithfully > > > >Robert. > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Jolly KW?! Date: 18 Jan 2001 12:57:44 +0000 Matthew Dean wrote: > Hi, as you know I was in Africa for a month. Welcome back (I hope your knowledge of Dutch helped you learn Afrikaans!). > Can someone > explain this, send pictures etc. as I'm sure this was a topic last > year? Yeah, it's the same old piffle: IIRC, a holiday photo of two Kraftwerkers making do with the same shower while out in the country somewhere - wasn't it? (I must admit I did NOT keep a copy to refer to! :-) ). How interesting such a picture is is in the eye of the beholder, but it just looked like an innocent holiday snap to my clean mind! :-D Kevin PS I just chanced across this at the official Tangerine Dream FAQ http://www.tangerinedream.de/qna03.html#faq058 "58. Are Tangerine Dream members fans of the German band =BBKraftwerk=AB? Kraftwerk is more or less representive [sic] of the opposite way to use electronic instruments. We've never heard a TD member whistling a Kraftwerk tune!" Fair enough! (No boring TD v. Kraftwerk flames please!). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Petter Subject: (kw) Emil Schult Date: 18 Jan 2001 06:28:25 -0800 (PST) Hi, Does anyone have a copy/transcript of the Emil Schult interview from Aktivität #7? I am also looking for other information about Mr. Schult, as well as pictures of his art. Please help! P- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) thank god !!! no kw "outburned" by now ... & the robotz are still dancin' in the studio ... maybe !!! *MWG* ;-))) Date: 18 Jan 2001 18:05:06 +0100 hi kwf's ! Robert Evans wrote again : ~ Just to nip this in the bud, ~ Amazon don't really know what it is, ~ but they are selling it anyway. Ah well. yep , that's exactly what they & also other online "dealers" do : they sell all kinds of "stuff" , no matter if it's an "authentic" item or jus' a damned fake or a crappy bootleg or somethin' else !!! *sigh* :-o ~ Oh Jay let's be friends no probs with me , rob !!! *XLG* ;-))) fyi : if u can "live" with my somehow "strange" kind of humor , then it will be fun & friendly with u & me here on this list of freaky kw weirdos !!! *LOL* ;-))) p. s. : somethin' completely diff'rent , off-topiK , but still important for me : is there anybody on this list who can give me an addy where i can download an anti-spammin' program for free ??? *jus'_curious* however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern germany !!! ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) - formerly known as micROBOT "the new ROBOT voice" ! ;-) btw ( once again ;-) : THERE'S_NO_BOT_LIKE_micRO-BOT_!!! *LOL* ;-))) *~\^/~* my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my very own website : www.cybernetx-media.de ( well ... this site is still "a construction site" !!! :-o ) one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@gmx.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fecalfunhole Subject: Re: (kw) thank god !!! no kw "outburned" by now ... & the robotz are still dancin' in the studio ... maybe !!! *MWG* ;-))) Date: 18 Jan 2001 17:44:06 -0500 Quoting Oh Jay : > > hi kwf's ! > > Robert Evans wrote again : > > ~ Just to nip this in the bud, > ~ Amazon don't really know what it is, > ~ but they are selling it anyway. Ah well. > > yep , that's exactly what they & also other online "dealers" do : they sell > all kinds of "stuff" , no matter if it's an "authentic" item or jus' a > damned fake or a crappy bootleg or somethin' else !!! *sigh* :-o > > ~ Oh Jay let's be friends > > no probs with me , rob !!! *XLG* ;-))) > fyi : if u can "live" with my somehow "strange" kind of humor , then it > will > be fun & friendly with u & me here on this list of freaky kw weirdos !!! > *LOL* ;-))) I remember a conversation on a similar note.. Anyhow, in my opinion Kraftwerk probably already have multiple albums worth of music completed. Maybe not final masters, technology improves that process year by year, but enough to continue a career without any effort. Isn't that their end goal, robots playing while they persue other endevours? Prince has a similar archive of secret music, and it struck me as odd.. but when he needs cash or acclaim he releases something from the vault. K have been engaged in studiokraft for years now.. so, as far as waiting for releases, that's the game. Possibly, they only permitted 'expo2000' to be mixed around like a Rick Ruban experiment - to see what popular results could be. Hutter has no patience for record companies and is shrewd about presenting anything.. being burnt by EMI probably made him warey. And those "mixes" are all shit. Every one. If a real man/machine with sense, like Cylob were to get involved, I doubt very much we would be waiting still. How disappointing to release just the commissioned work, not even your intended albums material, and have that blanched and homogenized into "club" mixes. .b FREE ANONYMOUS EMAIL! Sign up now. http://www.subdimension.com/freemail # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Miguel Angelo Caridade Praca Subject: (kw) Computer Grafics on Electric Cafe Date: 19 Jan 2001 02:31:47 GMT Hi Werkers! I know what the Computer Grafics on Electric Cafe was made in=20 Institute Technology from New York in conformity with the Electric=20 Cafe Album but does anyone knows which computers was used to make=20 then? Thanks!!! ... Miguel Angelo from Brazil ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: (kw) RE: re-rubs Date: 19 Jan 2001 10:09:43 -0000 I have to disagree with you, most of the new mixes I think are pretty good. Especially the François K and Orbital mixes. I don't really understand this purist view a lot of people have when it comes to remixing, after all, remixing other peoples work has been going on for hundreds of years. Classical composers were always pinching other composers choons and doing 'variations on a theme'. I think it's great to hear other peoples interpretations. The remixed versions sounding better than the original in a lot of cases. Shaun And those "mixes" are all shit. Every one. If a real man/machine with sense, like Cylob were to get involved, I doubt very much we would be waiting still. How disappointing to release just the commissioned work, not even your intended albums material, and have that blanched and homogenized into "club" mixes. .b # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "richard marston" Subject: Re: (kw) tdf-graphic Date: 19 Jan 2001 11:15:39 -0000 Andréas Hagström wrote: > >I own this stamp and its very nice to see the small changes they have done. >For instance they have updated the bikes with more modern gears... >But the question remains... who made these changes? >/Andreas The graphic style of the cyclists is similar to the inner sleeve of the Trans Europa Express album, so possibly it is Emil Schult. If you look closely at the 1983/84 sleeve you will see the quality of the drawing of the faces is a bit different to the rest of the cyclists' bodies, suggesting the basic four-figure arrangement on the artwork was put together first and then drawings of the faces added (and replaced for the 1999 reissue!). Of course, technical skill is one aspect, but I expect Ralf & Florian were playing the role of Art Directors whoever did the actual physical work. Any chance of making a colour jpeg scan of the stamp and putting it up somewhere on the internet? Richard :-) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andréas Hagström" Subject: Re: (kw) Jolly KW?! Date: 19 Jan 2001 15:31:57 Actually its photos from some filmproject and they are shot in Florians garden according to Flürs book. /Andréas Kevin Busby wrote: "Yeah, it's the same old piffle: IIRC, a holiday photo of two Kraftwerkers making do with the same shower while out in the country somewhere - wasn't it? (I must admit I did NOT keep a copy to refer to! :-) ). How interesting such a picture is is in the eye of the beholder, but it just looked like an innocent holiday snap to my clean mind! :-D" _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: Emil Schult Date: 19 Jan 2001 18:58:28 +0100 Petter skrev: > I am also looking for other information about Mr. Schult, as well as pictures of his art. Keep an eye on http://www.emilschult.com/ -- Champagne for my real friends. Real pain for my sham friends. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "richard marston" Subject: (kw) That photo on the first KW album Date: 19 Jan 2001 19:38:45 -0000 was by Bernd & Hilla Becher, two conceptual artist/photographers from Germany: "The Bechers have been documenting the aging world of the industrial age for decades. Their beautiful, unadorned and repetitious images are a mirror held up to the paradoxical existence of mankind's seemingly endless capacity for building, improving, compositing, developing, using, wasting and ultimately discarding the planet we live on." Perhaps their visuals had been some influence for the first and second Kraftwerk albums? There's some info about them here: http://laudanum.net/nrrtv/bchr/ And they have several books at amazon: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-author=Becher%2C%20Hilla/107-1791531-8292523 Hmmm, interesting titles: 'Mineheads', 'Industrial Facades', 'Basic Forms', 'Gas Tanks', 'Water Towers'... :-) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Lloyd Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #510 Date: 19 Jan 2001 14:58:23 -0500 on 1/19/01 2:40 PM, in kraftwerk-digest, oh_jay@freenet.de wrote: > Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:12:46 +0100 > From: "Oh Jay" > Subject: (kw) kraftwerk "ausgebrannt" ??? *MWG* ;-))) > > hi kwf's ! > > Robert Evans wrote : > > ~ A new Kraftwerk release entitled "Outburn" > ~ can be pre-ordered from Amazon.com. > > HUH_??? *indeed_very_puzzled_look* :-o > sorry , but what kind of "silly joke" is this , mate ??? *jus'_curious* ;-) > > ~ I do not know if this is the new album or not. > > "the new album" ??? *stared_in_disbelieve* :-o > with a name like "ausgebrannt" ( in german language ;-) ??? *XLG* ;-))) > >> No release date given. > > well ... possibly in 2003 ... after the next re-released , re-recorded & > re-remixed expo 2000 extra special limited edition cd-rom with holographic > flight simulator & kling klang studio robots role playin' game & "stuff" > like that ... erm ... yes !!! *ROTFLOL* ;-))) > > however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern > germany !!! ;-) > > yours sincerely , > oh jay ;-) > - - formerly known as micROBOT "the new ROBOT voice" ! ;-) > > btw ( once again ;-) : THERE'S_NO_BOT_LIKE_micRO-BOT_!!! *LOL* ;-))) > > *~\^/~* > > my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans > my very own website : www.cybernetx-media.de ( still under "heavy" > construction ... jus' like "the new album" by kw !!! *hehehe* ;-))) > one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@gmx.de > > [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] Are you this much of an idiot in person? Every time there is a digest sent, it's filled with this nonsensical GARBAGE. You're really quite an annoying individual, either that or you're about 4 years old - because that is about the only demographic your bullsh*t postings appeal to.. I had a dream the other night that I fell asleep. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ilych@aol.com Subject: (kw) In englisch, bitte? Date: 19 Jan 2001 15:15:30 EST Guten tag, werkers: Is Wolfgang's book available in English? Last I heard, it was not.=20 Will it be? If so, does anyone know when? My German is rather poor; I imagin= e=20 buying the book as it was written =E2=80=94 in Deutsch =E2=80=94 would be a=20= futile=20 investment for me; know what I mean? If this has been discussed before, my apologies; I've been out of the loop=20 for a while. Thanks; Bruno V. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Markowski Subject: (kw) cd-r trades, anyone? Date: 19 Jan 2001 15:24:59 -0500 Hey all, At long last I now have a cd-rw drive in my pc at home. So now I'm itching to start trading. It doesn't have to be Kraftwerk, by the way. If you're on this list and think what you have is good, I probably will, too. But I'd like to trade regular cd audio format discs not mp3. Here's my current list of KW ready for trading: Kraftwerk, Warfield '98 (2 cd's) Yup, that's it. Just one item (and some Beatles boots). No need to mention I'm new at this, I guess! So if you'd like to trade, please drop me a line. Thanks, Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JandSNuckels@webtv.net (Jason & Sherry Nuckels) Subject: (kw) Re: In englisch, bitte? Date: 19 Jan 2001 13:48:33 -0800 (PST) To Bruno, "I Was A Robot", the English-language version of Wolfgang's book, is available at www.amazon.co.uk . Also, www.barnesandnoble.com says that it will be released in America in March 2001. Jason Nuckels "Das Einundzwanzigste Jarhundert" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Dieffenbach Subject: Re: (kw) Re: In englisch, bitte? Date: 19 Jan 2001 16:21:42 -0600 With a smaller bit of detail, Wolfgang's book (English edition) is to be released by Amazon on my birthday, March 15, 2001... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) "friendly words" for a very "decent" dude !!! *MWG* ;-))) Date: 20 Jan 2001 05:35:43 +0100 hi kwf's ! a very "decent" dude called bruce lloyd wrote : ~ Are you this much of an idiot in person? what's your problem "dickhead" ??? haven't got an erection lately ??? *jus'_curious* ;-) ~ Every time there is a digest sent, it's filled with this nonsensical ~ GARBAGE. well ... learn to write a proper subject line first , brucie , & after that ... spare us YOUR_GARBAGE too , u waste of oxygene !!! *LOL* ;-))) ~ You're really quite an annoying individual, DITTO_!!! thanx for the compliment ... erm ... complaint , u useless portion of meat !!! *VBG* ;-))) ~ either that or you're about 4 years old - sorry to disappoint u , mate , but i'm 30 years older than that & have a sense of humor which u actually lack of !!! *sigh* :-o ~ because that is about the only demographic ~ your bullsh*t postings appeal to.. thanx again for your very interestin' "comments" , but next time u better SHUT_UP , u cynical excuse of a biped !!! *BWG* ;-))) ~ I had a dream the other night that I fell asleep. sleep well ... & better never wake up again , brucie !!! *ROTFLO_LOUDEST* ;-))) however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern germany !!! ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) - formerly known as micROBOT "the new ROBOT voice" ! ;-) btw ( once again ;-) : THERE'S_NO_BOT_LIKE_micRO-BOT_!!! *LOL* ;-))) *~\^/~* my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my very own website : www.cybernetx-media.de ( well ... u know "that story" already , don't u ??? *XLG* ;-))) one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@gmx.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) Re: In englisch, bitte? Date: 19 Jan 2001 22:30:51 -0700 (MST) On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Jason & Sherry Nuckels wrote: > "I Was A Robot", the English-language version of Wolfgang's book, is > available at www.amazon.co.uk . Also, www.barnesandnoble.com says that > it will be released in America in March 2001. I checked at Chapters (Canadian bookstore chain) last month, and they claim to be able to deliver it in 4-6 weeks. Quite a trick since March is just now about 6 weeks away. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: (kw) OJ Date: 20 Jan 2001 12:50:03 -0000 Sorry oh_jay, But he's not alone.. Sometimes it does feel like you treat your audience like a kindergarten. Don't you agree? Please comment on every sentence I wrote. > >Are you this much of an idiot in person? > >Every time there is a digest sent, it's filled with this nonsensical >GARBAGE. You're really quite an annoying individual, either that or you're >about 4 years old - because that is about the only demographic your >bullsh*t >postings appeal to.. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) oh jay , the kindergarten "fool" !!! *XLG* ;-))) Date: 20 Jan 2001 14:12:12 +0100 hi kwf's matthew large wrote : ~ Sorry oh_jay, ~ But he's not alone.. yeah , i know !!! *sigh* :-o ~ Sometimes it does feel like you treat your audience like a kindergarten. sometimes i feel like there are "some" people here , which came right from a kindergarten ... jus' like "lil' brucie" !!! *VBG* ;-))) ~ Don't you agree? somehow yes ... & somehow not !!! ;-) anyway ... i really appreciate it if people like u , matthew , wrote somethin' "KonstruKtive" instead of jus' derogatory & angry , humorless "crap" like , "lil' brucie" !!! ~ Please comment on every sentence I wrote. was that okay , for ya , mate ??? *G+* ;-) however ... my apologies to those of u , who think that i'm "a fool" ... U_ARE_ABSOLUTELY_RIGHT_ABOUT_THAT_!!! *LOL* ;-))) kw contents : i've heard a rumor about "a new album" comin' out soon ... !!! *ducks_&_runs_as_fast_as_he_can* ;-))) however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern germany !!! ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay - "the fool" ;-) *~\^/~* my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my very own website : www.cybernetx-media.de ( soon to be updated again !!! ;-) one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@gmx.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) That photo on the first KW album Date: 20 Jan 2001 14:56:05 +0100 richard marston schrieb am 19.01.2001 20:38 Uhr MEZ: > > was by Bernd & Hilla Becher, two conceptual artist/photographers from > Germany: "The Bechers have been documenting the aging world of the > Hmmm, interesting titles: 'Mineheads', 'Industrial Facades', 'Basic Forms', > 'Gas Tanks', 'Water Towers'... :-) Both are really expensive, but "Wassertuerme" (Water Towers) and "Hochoefen" (Blast Furnaces) are the two Becher photo volumes you can buy without hesitation - IMHO. All others you better have a look at before buying. jan ^^^v^^^ http://www.felix-bloch-erben.de/autoren/drehbuch/reetze.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "eduardo monteiro" Subject: (kw) kraft trade Date: 20 Jan 2001 13:34:25 -0200 Hi, werkers. >I have many videos with KRAFTWERK in action, >recorded at 91, 92 and 98 tours. This concerts are >available for trade (VHS video, NTSC color system). > >In exchange, I want the CD called "El Baile Aleman" >by Senor Coconut, the video "MICROMUSIC" >by Gary Numan or CDs by Tangerine Dream (Tyger, Thief, >and others). > >If you are interested, please, e-mail me privately. > >BOING !! BOOM !! TSCHAK !! > > >eduardo monteiro >from BRAZIL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: In englisch, bitte? Date: 20 Jan 2001 19:08:03 +0100 Soleil Lapierre in his own write: > [Chapters] claim to be able to deliver it in 4-6 weeks. Quite a trick since March is just now about 6 weeks away. It's been out in the UK since November. For sure. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/186074320X/o/qid=980013836/sr=8-1/202-5894932-5042221 -- Champagne for my real friends. Real pain for my sham friends. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) oh jay , the kindergarten "fool" !!! *XLG* ;-))) Date: 20 Jan 2001 20:37:18 +0100 hi kwf's ! Lars Nellemann wrote : ~ Could you please take your silly flame wars off the list. fyi : i'll do this after i've send "my final comment" to mr. bruce lloyd !!! btw : sorry for this "lil' inconvenience" !!! *G+* ;-) ~ and PLEASE write in normal language. excuse me , lars , but i write like i _WANT_ to write & ABSOLUTELY_NOBODY has to tell me how to write or not !!! GET_THIS ... please !!! ;-) ~ Many of list members are fed up with your childish mails! okay ... for those of u , who don't or won't read my mails anymore , i have a very simply suggestion : ignore or delete them !!! ;-) use your "kill files" & / or block my addy !!! ;-) if u are "unable" to do that , then u simply have to "cope" with me & my style of writin' !!! PERIOD_!!! thanx a lot for your attention !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern germany !!! ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay - "the fool" ;-) *~\^/~* my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my very own website : www.cybernetx-media.de ( jus' wait until early feb. 2001 , fellows !!! ;-) one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@gmx.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) My complaint about Mr. Bruce W. Lloyd ( fyi : u can see _THIS_ as my final comment on this silly thread !!! ;-) Date: 20 Jan 2001 20:39:02 +0100 hi kwf's ! "our lil' brucie" wrote again : ~ I bet your mom thinks your cool, right? I think I understand, now, the ~ reasoning behind your obvious lack of any ability to string a coherent ~ sentence together: your ability to interject facial expressions and 'body ~ language' makes up for the fact that you have less than nothing to say. ~ Plus the fact that you're eurotrash (I bet you look dapper in Levis) carries ~ the concept of your vitriolic personality. fact is : u actually don't know _ANYTHIN'_ about me , "lil' brucie" !!! *G+* ;-) btw : if u have "a problem" with what i write or _HOW_ i write it , than simply ignore or delete it , okay ??? ;-) use your "kill files" properly , mate !!! *LOL* ;-))) but a mindless bugger like u can't "insult" me with the crap he writes here !!! *BWG* ;-))) ~ Within the light of what you're NOT saying, you're really quite pathetic. ~ You're like a dog with a bone - tediously obvious and boringly predictable. ~ Your messages are remarkably similar to tin toy robots from the 50s' - ~ tortuously common and easily put away with the rest of useless items. jus' as i said before : simply ignore or delete my "eurotrash" if u can't stand it !!! *XLG* ;-))) i won't change my style only to "satisfy" "dickheads" like u , mate !!! GET_THIS_!!! ~ Grow up - seriously. If anyone is useless, I offer your inexplicable ~ existence. are u "tryin'" to "offend" me , "lil' brucie" ??? *most_curious_indeed* ;-) U_LAMER_!!! your humble existence isn't even predicted to "grow" or get mature ... ANYHOW_!!! u are jus' a bloody miscarriage of the human kind ... if u are at least human at all !!! :-o read this & then SHUT_THE_FAQ_UP , u "squirrel slaughterer" !!! My complaint about Mr. Bruce W. Lloyd I would like to clarify some comments I made recently regarding Mr. Bruce W. Lloyd. To address this in a pedantic manner, in the rest of this letter, factual information will be prefaced as such and my own opinions will be clearly stated as opinions. For instance, it is a fact that Mr. Lloyd's diatribes are based on a technique I'm sure you've heard of. It's called "lying". We have to start talking with one another honestly, in honest language. To be more pedantic about it, if I seem a bit nasty, it's only because I'm trying to communicate with him on his own level. As I gaze into my crystal ball, I see that Mr. Lloyd's shock troops will win support by encapsulating frustrations and directing them toward unpopular scapegoats one of these days. I'll give you an example of this, based on my own experience. As you know, I'm sticking out my neck a bit in talking about Mr. Lloyd's zingers. It's quite likely he will try to retaliate against me for my telling you that there is a format he should follow for his next literary endeavor. It involves a topic sentence and supporting facts. If Mr. Lloyd had even a shred of intellectual integrity, he'd admit that he frequently avers his support of democracy and his love of freedom. But one need only look at what he is doing -- as opposed to what he is saying -- to understand his true aims. Perhaps it sounds like stating the obvious to say that he has nothing but contempt for you, and you don't even know it. That's why I feel obligated to inform you that when he says that he is a bearer and agent of the Creator's purpose, in his mind, that's supposed to end the argument. It's like he believes he has said something very profound. The gloss that Mr. Lloyd's trucklers put on Mr. Lloyd's conclusions unfortunately does little to get the facts out in the hope that somebody else will do something to solve the problem. If history follows its course, it should be evident that Mr. Lloyd insists that people don't mind having their communities turned into war zones. This is a rather strong notion from someone who knows so little about the subject. Honor means nothing to him. Principles mean nothing to him. All he cares about is how best to prey on people's fear of political and economic instability. Let's just ignore Mr. Lloyd and see what he does. Will politically incorrect ex-cons ever push the envelope on our knowledge of the world around us? Don't bet on it. In general, he is not only immoral, but amoral. I unquestionably feel that we should establish clear, justifiable definitions of absolutism and larrikinism, so that you can defend a decision to take action when Mr. Lloyd's secret police damn this nation and this world to Hell, and I have formalized my commitment to this high ideal by ensuring that I always cast a gimlet eye on Mr. Lloyd's perversions. Perhaps I'm reading too much into Mr. Lloyd's notions, but they don't seem to serve any purpose other than to adopt approaches that have not been tested to try to solve problems that have not been well-defined. From a public-policy perspective, Mr. Lloyd's convictions smack of faddism. That's the sort of statement that some people maintain is bookish, but which I believe is merely a statement of fact. And it's a statement that needs to be made, because Mr. Lloyd says he's going to increase society's cycle of hostility and violence before long. Good old Mr. Lloyd. He just loves to open his mouth and let all kinds of things come out without listening to how incompetent they sound. I am on an important mission to counteract the subtle, but pervasive, social message that says that he has a "special" perspective on sesquipedalianism which carries with it a "special" right to lay the foundation for some serious mischief. If I don't accomplish that mission, his plans to biologically or psychologically engineer the worst sorts of ruthless bohemians I've ever seen to make them even more confused than they already are could well succeed. An armed revolt against Mr. Lloyd is morally justified. However, I insist that it is not yet strategically justified. Despite his evident lack of grounding in what he's talking about, he recently stated that it is fatuitous to question his stratagems. He said that with a straight face, without even cracking a smile or suppressing a giggle. He said it as if he meant it. That's scary, because if he makes fun of me or insults me, I hear it, and it hurts. But I take solace in the fact that I am still able to reveal the constant tension between centripetal and centrifugal forces of dialogized heteroglossia resulting from his pranks. To put it another way, the unalterable law of biology has a corollary that is generally overlooked. Specifically, this is not wild speculation. This is not a conspiracy theory. This is documented fact. Before I continue, let me state that I correctly predicted that Mr. Lloyd would regulate insurrectionism. Alas, I didn't think he'd do that so effectively -- or so soon. I can't let him depressurize the frail vessel of human hopes, and besides, I want my life to count. I want to be part of something significant and lasting. I want to contribute to the intellectual and spiritual health of the body politic. Wild deviants are sharply focused on an immediate goal: to reduce human beings and many other living organisms to engineered products and mere cogs in the social machine. Given what I know about out-of-touch mumpish-types, I can say with confidence that Mr. Lloyd maliciously defames and damagingly misrepresents everyone and everything around him. There's a word for that: libel. He places his indelible imprimatur upon a form of extremism that is fundamentally, pervasively, and inescapably iconoclastic, and that's one reason why I'm writing this letter. And if you think that the laws of nature don't apply to him, then you aren't thinking very clearly. If Mr. Lloyd can one day sell otherwise perfectly reasonable people the idee fixe that censorship could benefit us, then the long descent into night is sure to follow. He consistently falls short of telling the whole story or of making a solid point. Of course, it's not quite that simple. While it is not my purpose to incriminate or exculpate or vindicate or castigate, I would never take a job working for him. Given his directionless silly mottos, who would want to? My current plan is to turn Mr. Lloyd's blathering sentiments to our advantage. Yes, he will draw upon the most powerful fires of Hell to tear that plan asunder, but the main dissensus between me and Mr. Lloyd is that I claim that Mr. Lloyd's viewpoints are a mockery of all that is fair and equitable. He, on the other hand, contends that cultural tradition has never contributed a single thing to the advancement of knowledge or understanding. If the past is any indication of the future, he will once again attempt to pose a threat to the survival of democracy. Though I don't doubt the depth of Mr. Lloyd's sentiments, it's rather the form of his expressions that I find both fastidious and egocentric. I should add parenthetically that Mr. Lloyd thinks it would be a great idea to deface property with racially and sexually derogatory epithets and offensive symbols. Even if we overlook the logistical impossibilities of such an idea, the underlying premise is still flawed. Now that I've been exposed to his scribblings, I must admit that I don't completely understand them. Perhaps I need to get out more. Or perhaps the poisonous wine of neopaganism had been distilled long before he entered the scene. Mr. Lloyd is merely the agent decanting the poisonous fluid from its bottle into the jug that is world humanity. To sum it all up, Mr. Bruce W. Lloyd's machinations are certainly uncalled for. Yours sincerely, Oh Jay - "The Fool" ;-) I'm out! PEACE!!! *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: In englisch, bitte? Date: 20 Jan 2001 20:43:57 +0100 btw, it's also available at www.bookzone.co.uk, they sent it to me the day after I placed my order. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fecalfunhole Subject: Re: (kw) "decent" dude !!! *MWG* ;-))) blah blah blah, ad nausum Date: 20 Jan 2001 19:30:20 -0500 What can I say, but EMAIL KUMATE!! All we need is a cage match between our brother from northern Bremen, O-Jay and the "decent" demon Bruce Lloyd in a fight to the death! This is the perfect way to meet K since they enjoy sporting events, especially between their own fans. Promise a terrifying, yet tantilizing but'o'humanity fighting for the "honor" of WHO ACTS THEIR AGE!! Wow, I'm about to piss myself in anticipation. STOP SPAM-I-O-AKTIVITY. .b > > hi kwf's ! > > a very "decent" dude called bruce lloyd wrote : > > ~ Are you this much of an idiot in person? > > what's your problem "dickhead" ??? haven't got an erection lately ??? > *jus'_curious* ;-) et-fucking-cetera... and I thought "I" had the crown of most offensive. FREE ANONYMOUS EMAIL! Sign up now. http://www.subdimension.com/freemail # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: -ericg- Subject: Re: (kw) Re: In englisch, bitte? Date: 21 Jan 2001 01:32:07 -0500 > With a smaller bit of detail, Wolfgang's book (English edition) is to be > released by Amazon on my birthday, March 15, 2001... Amazon just sent me an e-mail saying that my copy shipped. So much for release dates. -ericg- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) Fw: WARNIN'_!!! our "beloved lil' brucie" & surely "my biggest fan" really dislikes germans !!! ;-) Date: 21 Jan 2001 20:14:30 +0100 hi kwf's ! our "beloved lil' brucie" & surely "my biggest fan" wrote a very "unmaskin'" comment in a private mail to me : ~ Who would have guessed - ~ a representative of the 20th century's fascistic epicenter. ~ A country who's only contribution to the human experience ~ was strudel. oh well ... this means that if also kw itself came from _THAT_ "20th century's fascistic epicenter" & as germans as they are , u simply _MUST_ totally dislike them too ... because - as a matter of fact !!! - ... they are jus' germans !!! :-o am i right about that "suspicion" , "dear brucie" ??? ;-) if so , WHY_THE_HECK_ARE_U_HERE , eh ??? *most_curious_indeed* fyi : from now on i'll block your ( "lil' brucie's" ;-) addy too , simply because i'm sick & tired of such hypocritical , sycophantic , degenerated , mindless & self-righteous bastards like u , "dickhead" !!! *grim* :-/ to the "moderator" & / or owner of this list : would u please boot this damned "dickhead" from the list IMMEDIATELY_??? however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern germany !!! ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay - "the fool" ;-) *~\^/~* my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my very own website : www.cybernetx-media.de ( next update in early feb. 2001 !!! ;-) one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@gmx.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: (kw) one more ranking result Date: 21 Jan 2001 21:44:09 +0100 Did we mentioned this allready? German Musicmagazine " Musikexpress" voted Kraftwerk as group with the most important german pop album (No. 1 of 50). Musikexpress_February_2001_page_44 Forget to see it netwise. www.musikexpress.de is quite a poor "performance" (sorry folks) The 21st Century (hehe...) Regards ---joseph _______wirds noch jemals weitergehen oder bloss nur noch in Listen stehen? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eduardo Marcel Macan Subject: (kw) Important, please read (RFC 1855: Netiquette) Date: 22 Jan 2001 11:00:04 -0200 Once there was a time when almost everyone in the internet was a=20 technical person or scientist sharing and developing knowledge. Then private networks become connected and a whole new audience was formed. This huge mass of people was interested on making business, meeting people , talking and gaming over the internet (oh, yes, there is also warez and mp3z, nude babes and such :) ) and has not had the chance to be=20 introduced to the technical writings that documented the internet. Those are called RFCs, one of those RFCs the RFC numbered 1855 documents what they called "netiquette" and is fairly complete, everyone should have the right to read it, see how wonderful it is to play nice with each other by following those recomendations, but most people are denied this right. Indeed, many people intuitively follow these rules , but many do not. And that is not their fault. I therefore grant this right to all you list members who did not have the chance to read it before. Go and read it: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html I am sure it will be useful to everyone, even those people who already follow this document, without ever knowing of its existence.=20 For those who do not follow it, please read the part about "one to many" communication. From this document, I'd like to point out: ----begin excerpt--- - Remember that the recipient is a human being whose culture, language, and humor have different points of reference from your own. Remember that date formats, measurements, and idioms may not travel well. Be especially careful with sarcasm. - Wait overnight to send emotional responses to messages. If you have really strong feelings about a subject, indicate it via FLAME ON/OFF enclosures. For example: FLAME ON: This type of argument is not worth the bandwidth it takes to send it. It's illogical and poorly reasoned. The rest of the world agrees with me. FLAME OFF - If you include a signature keep it short. Rule of thumb is no longer than 4 lines. Remember that many people pay for connectivity by the minute, and the longer your message is, the more they pay. ----end excerpt--- These three rules are mandatory. I read part of the document to cut/paste these rules from it and in the meantime I've found many other useful tips I had forgotten. It is a wonderful reading to everyone. Regards and sorry for the long message Eduardo. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Back to basics Date: 22 Jan 2001 15:00:26 +0000 Eduardo Marcel Macan wrote: > http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html Yes, and Grice's maxims are worth bearing in mind, too...! ;-) (http://www.ruthvilmi.net/hut/cybercorner/grice.html) ... as are the following extracts from http://www.studio-nibble.com/lists/kraftwerk.info, IMHO: > * Avoid long signatures (four lines is a good size). [...] > * If someone else is misbehaving on the list, please EMAIL THE LIST > OWNER (owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com). Do NOT try to deal > with the situation yourself; this almost always results in more > problems than it solves. > > The following kinds of messages are *never* welcome on the list -- posting > them may result in your being banned from posting or removed from the list. > > * Flames and/or attacks on other list members [...] > * Private email that you don't have the original sender's permission to > repost to the list Hope this helps. Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Important, please read (RFC 1855: Netiquette) Date: 22 Jan 2001 17:28:07 +0100 hi kwf's ! Eduardo Marcel Macan wrote : ~ Regards and sorry for the long message thanx a lot for this very interestin' "insight" , eduardo !!! btw : u really don't have to feel sorry for your long message , because it's worth EV'RY_WORD u wrote !!! :-) my best regards to u & the rest of the fellows out there , who have indeed somethin' to say ( unlike mr. bruce lloyd !!! :-/ ) & my deepest _RESPECT_ for eduardo's really "KonstruKtive" comments !!! *very_sincere_smile* :-))) _PEACE_ for those , who really deserve it !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern germany !!! ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay - "the fool" ;-) *~\^/~* my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my very own website : www.cybernetx-media.de ( watch out !!! only a few days left until the next update is finished !!! *G+* ;-) one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@gmx.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Louis Pistilli Date: 22 Jan 2001 20:00:41 -0500 (EST) Certain people here need to calm down about this "golden shower" picture. I've seen it and it's old news. Only a perverted person could look at this picture and see a "golden shower", "homoerotic" or any other perversion. It's an innocent picture of two friends posing together for a picture by an outdoor shower. This must be just another attempt by the homosexuals to drag people into the sewer with them. lp FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sarahgri@interlog.com Subject: (kw) >|-( Date: 22 Jan 2001 21:25:53 -0500 Oy vey ist meir, people! <8-P This flamefest is upsetting the list's homeostasis... kiss and make up already! Kling Klang! -Sarah :-) > Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:12:46 +0100 > From: "Oh Jay" > Subject: (kw) kraftwerk "ausgebrannt" ??? *MWG* ;-))) > > hi kwf's ! > > Robert Evans wrote : > > ~ A new Kraftwerk release entitled "Outburn" > ~ can be pre-ordered from Amazon.com. > > HUH_??? *indeed_very_puzzled_look* :-o > sorry , but what kind of "silly joke" is this , mate ??? *jus'_curious* ;-) > > ~ I do not know if this is the new album or not. > > "the new album" ??? *stared_in_disbelieve* :-o > with a name like "ausgebrannt" ( in german language ;-) ??? *XLG* ;-))) > >> No release date given. > > well ... possibly in 2003 ... after the next re-released , re-recorded & > re-remixed expo 2000 extra special limited edition cd-rom with holographic > flight simulator & kling klang studio robots role playin' game & "stuff" > like that ... erm ... yes !!! *ROTFLOL* ;-))) > > however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern > germany !!! ;-) > > yours sincerely , > oh jay ;-) > - - formerly known as micROBOT "the new ROBOT voice" ! ;-) > > btw ( once again ;-) : THERE'S_NO_BOT_LIKE_micRO-BOT_!!! *LOL* ;-))) > > *~\^/~* > > my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans > my very own website : www.cybernetx-media.de ( still under "heavy" > construction ... jus' like "the new album" by kw !!! *hehehe* ;-))) > one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@gmx.de > > [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] > >Are you this much of an idiot in person? > >Every time there is a digest sent, it's filled with this nonsensical >GARBAGE. You're really quite an annoying individual, either that or you're >about 4 years old - because that is about the only demographic your bullsh*t >postings appeal to.. > > > >I had a dream the other night that I fell asleep. ____________________________________________________________________________ + IF YOU MISS ME YOU SHOULD TAKE SOME MEDICINE + ____________________________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sarahgri@interlog.com Subject: (kw) Re: [none] Date: 22 Jan 2001 21:58:24 -0500 >Certain people here need to calm down about this "golden shower" >picture. I've seen it and it's old news. Only a perverted person >could look at this picture and see a "golden shower", "homoerotic" or any >other >perversion. It's an innocent picture of two friends posing together >for a >picture by an outdoor shower. This must be just another attempt by >the >homosexuals to drag people into the sewer with them. Ooh... this one begs commentary... >|-( Do any of you people actually know what a "golden shower" is?! Literally, it is the erotic act of urinating on your partner for pleasure. I am in agreement that this is most certainly NOT a "golden shower" pic, as neither of the Kraftwerk boys are attempting to piddle on each other. Still, there is something homoerotic about this picture - the way Florian's hand is lovingly caressing Wolfgang's waist. It is also a well-known fact that many gay men find shower scenes and wet bodies a turnon - I know a lot of my homosexual friends do. It's not to say that Kraftwerk are in fact gay (aside from the fact that I believe that everyone is potentially bisexual - they just don't know it yet), but you can't deny that there is definitely sexual undertones to this picture. So call me a pervert - well, I AM a pervert, and I'm damn well proud of it. Fetishism and BDSM is fun, exhilerating, and it's perfectly healthy. There's nothing wrong with a little kinkiness as long as it's between two consenting adults. And leave homosexuals alone - I am not homosexual (at least I haven't had a homosexual experience yet), but gays and lesbians, for the most part, are decent people who just want to live their lives just like everybody else. May the rainbow flag wave forever! Kling Klang! -Sarah :-) (Shocked and dismayed that so many fans of one of the most intelligent electronic groups could be so full of resentment towards a lifestyle as innocent as homosexuality... tsk tsk tsk...) ____________________________________________________________________________ + IF YOU MISS ME YOU SHOULD TAKE SOME MEDICINE + ____________________________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicolau Centola" Subject: (kw) flame battles & kindergarten discussion Date: 23 Jan 2001 01:19:56 -0200 1. First of all, guys, I would like to say I really hate this kind of flame battles... this is really borring... blah, blah, blah and a lot of non sense. Of course life is a circle, and sometimes we have this on this list, because IMHO Kraftwerk really don't give us any material to talk about. 2. I always think that kind of discussion should remain on private mails, not for the list. Here in Brasil we have a phrase for this: roupa suja se lava em casa (more or less this: dirty clothes shall be cleaned at home). Come on guys... 3. Final comments are never final... 4. I really can not read Mr. Oh Jay (Simpson?) mails, because his writing is not english for me. You never thought there's a lot of non english guys here that are no so good in english (like me) and your writing is much more difficult to read than a normal english mail? It's not a question of write like you want but, IMHO, this list is for know interesting people. Of course I could write in portuguese, but how many people would understand me? I really don't know if what you say is interesting or not, if you write interesting mails or not, because I never could read one of them! I just ignore them, because I can not understand "your" english. It would be simple just ignore your messages or send them automatically to trash can, but I only receive the Digest version, so I always get your "looking-like greek signs"... Here in Brasil we have a lot of indians that didn't talk portuguese before the portuguese come here (for those who just don't know, Brasil was "discovered" by Portugal), and just today, when they talk in portuguese, it's difficult to undertand them, because their portuguese is funny, with no verbes, articles and son on... like a chikd that is starting to talk... So think about it, Mr. Oh Jay, before tell "ABSOLUTELY_NOBODY has to tell me how to write" 5. It's just my opinion.. let's talk about Kraftwerk!! peace Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld >>> ~ Could you please take your silly flame wars off the list. fyi : i'll do this after i've send "my final comment" to mr. bruce lloyd !!! btw : sorry for this "lil' inconvenience" !!! *G+* ;-) ~ and PLEASE write in normal language. excuse me , lars , but i write like i _WANT_ to write & ABSOLUTELY_NOBODY has to tell me how to write or not !!! GET_THIS ... please !!! ;-) ~ Many of list members are fed up with your childish mails! okay ... for those of u , who don't or won't read my mails anymore , i have a very simply suggestion : ignore or delete them !!! ;-) use your "kill files" & / or block my addy !!! ;-) if u are "unable" to do that , then u simply have to "cope" with me & my style of writin' !!! PERIOD_!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicolau Centola" Subject: (kw) cave age Date: 23 Jan 2001 01:30:52 -0200 >>our "beloved lil' brucie" & surely "my biggest fan" wrote a very "unmaskin'" comment in a private mail to me : OK, this is enough for me! Comments on a private mail on the list!! Thanks Eduardo and Kevin for your nice comments. I will bookmark http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html I will get out of this list because this is over to me... and please Eduardo or Kevin, let me know this two stupid guy will banned from here... peace and bye Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) New Kraftwerk album "Achtung" Date: 23 Jan 2001 10:46:20 -0000 Dear readers In light of the recent friction between Oh Jay, and everyone else, may I bring it to your attention that a new item is available to order NOW from rainforest.com priced $78.98. Apparently the release date is unconfirmed, but NME says it will be "late 2012, preferably later". "Achtung" (Quick!!) will contain "previously unreleased material", including a secretly recorded conversation between Ralf and Florian on how shite ATB are. A special 12 minute version of Boing Boom Tschak is also likely to be included. -----End of transmission----- NOt YEt!!! Special regards to those "this side of sane!!" (tehe) LOL quite heartliy!!!!!! Greetinx to those in south western England, just south of Bristol My home town is twinned with Hldesheim Rob _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Petter Subject: (kw) Re: Date: 23 Jan 2001 04:02:51 -0800 (PST) So, people are fooled into being homosexuals? Come on! No more homophobia here please. We've had enough of that. Homophobia isn't exactly on topic. This list is going down the sewer, if anything. --- Louis Pistilli wrote: This must be > just another attempt by the homosexuals to drag > people into the sewer with them. > > lp __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) All things in moderation... Date: 23 Jan 2001 14:07:02 +0000 Nicolau Centola wrote: > I will get out of this list because this is over to me... and please > Eduardo or Kevin, let me know this two stupid guy will banned from here... I'm cc'ing this to Lazlo (list owner) - IMHO he needs to step in and do some active moderating of the list for a while. It's always depressing to see a list dragged down by aggressive, infantile flaming, particularly for those of us who feel a certain vested interest in its well-being. Kevin PS Louis, please don't try to incite another flame war, especially so soon after the last one, unless you really do want to kill off the list. The subject of homosexuality is obviously an emotive one for you, but let's keep such discussions relevant and non-inflammatory, OK? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) This list, discussions, John Shilcock Date: 23 Jan 2001 15:10:29 -0000 Hello again Actually I am only 21. I am a representative of younger Kraftwerk fans, and the fact that I am interested at all in albums made BEFORE I WAS EVEN BORN is testimony to Kraftwerk's enduring appeal. My interest in Kraftwerk was rekindled by Expo 2000 and like everyone else I have reasonable hopes that they will release something sooner or later. Favourite all time track "Numbers" John...I have visited your website and agree about your "best of" collection, but why not go mad and break the rules and include Tour De France (brilliant on kraftwerk.com by the way). Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) cave age ( was the age of "el conquistadores" !!! ;-) Date: 23 Jan 2001 17:39:44 +0100 hi kwf's ! Nicolau Centola from brasil wrote : ~ OK, this is enough for me! Comments on a private mail on the list!! GEEZ_!!! >:-O how "fainthearted" are u then , mate , if such a thing drives u away from this list , eh ??? *very_puzzled_look* :-o ~ I will get out of this list because this is over to me... and please ~ Eduardo or Kevin, let me know this two stupid guy will banned from here... fyi : i'll tell u this IN_A_PRIVATE_MAIL myself , if u haven't already blocked this addy of mine by now , nicolau !!! ;-) ~ peace and bye farewell , mate !!! yours sincerely , oh jay - "one of those stupid guys" ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) flame battles & kindergarten discussion ... Date: 23 Jan 2001 17:44:46 +0100 ... or how to turn a really "silly thread" into somethin' "KonstruKtive" & meaningful , which could easily lead into another interestin' on topiK disKussion !!! *sly_grin* ;-) +++ hi kwf's ! Nicolau Centola from brasil wrote : ~ 1. First of all, guys, ~ I would like to say I really hate this kind of flame battles... excuse me , nicolau , but what kind of "flame battles" do u actually mean ??? *jus'_curious* fyi : i haven't seen any "flame battle" here lately !!! ;-) only some really "hot topiKs" or at least "controversial discussions" , but no "flame battles" !!! ;-) ~ this is really borring... blah, blah, blah and a lot of non sense. well ... there may be a lot of "blah blah blah" & nonsense too , but it's most definitely NOT_"BORIN'"_IMHO!!! *BWG* ;-))) ~ Of course life is a circle, and sometimes we have this on this list, damned right , mate !!! ;-) ~ because IMHO Kraftwerk really don't give us any material to talk about. hmmm ... they _HAVE_ given us at least "some" material to talk about , but no "new" material !!! ;-) i agree in the latter case !!! ;-) ~ 2. I always think that kind of discussion should remain on private mails, yep , that's indeed a pretty good idea ... if only "certain individuals" would have taken this to their heart , like - only for instance - mr. bruce lloyd !!! ;-) but instead of this , they'd began to "spam" the list & start a really useless & "silly thread" about their personal favors of HOW_TO_WRITE_PROPERLY_!!! *LOL* ;-))) ~ not for the list. Here in Brasil we have a phrase for this: ~ roupa suja se lava em casa ~ (more or less this: dirty clothes shall be cleaned at home). that's also not only a good idea , but that's actually what i usually do ... until "somebody" provokes me with such a "silly thread" & i jus' have to SPEAK_UP on this matter in public , because ev'rytime my (nick)name gets "somehow" involved in a thread - no matter of it's worth a discussion or not !!! ;-) - i simply HAVE_TO_"COMMENT" on it IN_PUBLIC too !!! ;-) it's as simply as this , nicolau !!! ;-) ~ Come on guys... ~ ~ 3. Final comments are never final... well ... the rule goes by the exception & i'll refrain from postin' _ANYTHIN'_ to this list again concernin' the "hot topiK" of mr. bruce lloyd !!! believe it ... or maybe not !!! ;-) btw : this message will also be the last one from me concernin' your "comments" about me , nicolau !!! ;-) ~ 4. I really can not read Mr. Oh Jay (Simpson?) mails, uh ... oh ... nooo , but i don't believe u , mate !!! ;-) 1.) u can read my mails ... but u don't _WANT_ to read it !!! *XLG* ;-))) that's the simply fact in this case , nicolau !!! ;-) 2.) concernin' this "o. j. simpson" kind of "joke" , i can only say *HAR!HAR!HAR!* :-o what a lamer !!! *grumpf* :-/ this "stuff" is sooo old & borin' that it's totally rotten by now & _NOBODY_ ( except maybe u , nicolau !? ;-) can laugh about it !!! *pffft* :-o ~ because his writing is not english for me. oops !? :-o what kind of "language" is it then ... in your "humble opinion" ??? *most_curious_indeed* ;-) "pigeon inglesch" or "kauderwelsh" or "geek speak" or ... so on until the break of dawn !? *somehow_a_bit_puzzled_look* :-o ~ You never thought there's a lot of non english guys here ~ that are no so good in english (like me) and ~ your writing is much more difficult to read than a normal english mail? fact is : english isn't my mother tongue too , nicolau !!! ;-) i'm from germany & therefor german is my native language !!! ;-) i'm sorry if u find my mails more difficult to read than "normal" english mails , but i think that i've expressed this here various times before , that my writin' style is simply a part of my _INDIVIDUALITY_ & my "presence" in the "webwideworld" as oh jay !!! ;-) that's _WHY_ i like to write as i want to write , mate !!! ;-) on the other hand i have a very simple & very basic question to all of u : _WHY_ don't u ask me IN_PRIVATE about my "style" of writin' & what it actually means ??? *very_curious_indeed* ;-) actually only ONE_GUY has asked me about this in private in the whole year that i'm on this list so far !!! D'OH_!!! :-O i've send him a very kind reply & explained it to him explicitly & most coherently ... & now he understands me perfectly !!! *G+* ;-) so WHY_THE_HECK_HAVEN'T_U_ASK_ME in all that time , eh ??? *utmost_curious_after_all* ;-) btw : isn't it A_GREAT_CHALLENGE to "listen 'n' learn" & try to understand people with another opinion & / or "only" another "style" of writin' , fellows ??? *utmost_curious_by_now* ;-) fyi : for me it is still A_GREAT_CHELLENGE ... & i really like to "listen 'n' learn" at least somethin' about those things , which i don't understand ( completely ;-) yet !!! *smartest_grin* ;-))) ~ It's not a question of write like you want but, IMHO, ~ this list is for know interesting people. well ... can u please elaborate on this some further , mate , because i don't understand the "deeper" meanin' of it by now !!! :-o do u mean that i'm not "interestin'" ??? *sly_grin_again* ;-) i really doubt that , nicolau !!! *hehehe* ;-))) ... or do u mean that this list isn't "capable" of understandin' "fools" like me , eh ??? *LOL* ;-))) i also doubt this pretty much , mate !!! *still_LOL* ;-))) ~ Of course I could write in portuguese, ~ but how many people would understand me? of course i could write in german ... & at least "some" people would understand me !!! *MWG* ;-))) anyway ... _THAT_ really _ISN'T_ the question in this case , nicolau !!! :-/ ~ I really don't know if what you say is interesting or not, WHY_??? *puzzled_look* :-o ~ if you write interesting mails or not, because I never could read one of them! BOGUS_!!! >:-O u _CAN_ read them _ALL_ , but u _DON'T_ want to spend "your precious time" on askin' me about "somethings" that u may not understand or u simply _WON'T_ understand them , because u are to stubborn , mate , ... & THAT'S_WHAT_REALLY_ANNOYS_ME_PERSONALLY_!!! *grim* :-/ ~ I just ignore them, because I can not understand "your" english. hmmm ... "somehow" u understand "my" english very well , otherwise u wouldn't have posted this "complaint" about "my style of writin'" , nicolau !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) *hehehe* ;-))) u've been "unmasked" , jus' like mr. bruce lloyd !!! *LOL* ;-))) ~ It would be simple just ignore your messages or ~ send them automatically to trash can, but I only receive the Digest version, ~ so I always get your "looking-like greek signs"... well ... my suggestion in this case would be : take THE_GREAT_CHALLENGE ... & resubscribe to the list in the "normal" modus & get to read all mails "individually" !!! *BIG_hint* ;-))) btw : all that "stuff" i wrote in *...* isn't that much "important" to understand AT_ALL , mate !!! ;-) ~ Here in Brasil we have a lot of indians ~ that didn't talk portuguese before the portuguese come here ~ (for those who just don't know, Brasil was "discovered" by Portugal), ~ and just today, when they talk in portuguese, it's difficult to undertand them, ~ because their portuguese is funny, with no verbes, articles and son on... ~ like a chikd that is starting to talk... oh dear , nicolau !!! :-/ this is A_REALLY_DEROGATORY_"COMMENT" about all those native brazilians , don't u know that !? *grim* :-/ u are jus' "el conquistadore" & therefor it's the same with the americans & the NATIVE_AMERICANS ... or the australians & the NATIVE_AUSTRALIANS , mate !!! *sigh* :-o fyi : i highly suggest that u rethink this really narrow-minded & self-righteous "comment" of yours again & TRY_TO_UNDERSTAND_YOUR_NATIVE_BRAZILIANS , before u even try to "teach" people like me HOW_TO_WRITE or better to say NOT_TO_WRITE_ANYMORE_!!! *grumpf* :-/ if u really think that u are indeed such a "_SOPHISTICATED_" guy , than u simply wouldn't say such a bad thing about the NATIVE_BRAZILIANS , nicolau !!! *sighs_deeply_in_disgust* :-o fact is : the NATIVE_PEOPLE of EV'RY_COUNTRY_IN_THE_WHOLE_WIDE_WORLD have a longer "tradition" in speakin' their own tongue - that the "conquistadors" don't might understand - than those bloody "invaders" itself !!! *most_grim_indeed* >:-||| jus' think about _THAT_ , "el conquistadore nicolau" !!! maybe u should have "adopted" their "funny 'n' child-like language" _BEFORE_ u'd run them over & "missionarize" them with _YOUR_ native tongue , mate !? *very_disgusted_look_about_this_OVERWHELMIN'_STUBBORNNESS_of_"el_conquistado re_nicolau"* :-( ~ So think about it, Mr. Oh Jay, ~ before tell "ABSOLUTELY_NOBODY has to tell me how to write" i've though about it many times before , mate , but my mind still hasn't changed a wee bit in this case!!! ;-) go ahead & "MAKE_MY_DAY_!!!" , "el conquistadore" !!! *LOL* ;-))) all i can tell u is this : AT_LEAST_U wouldn't change my mind in a lifetime , mate !!! i may be "stupid" in some cases & / or "foolish" in some others , but i'm really "experienced" when it comes down to self-righteous & narrow-minded people like u , nicolau , to know that "they" will NEVER_EVER change me or my "style" IN_NO_WAY_AT_ALL_!!! *pretty_convinced_smile* :-))) ~ 5. It's just my opinion.. let's talk about Kraftwerk!! ~ ~ peace i'm really sorry to say this , nicolau , but this last sentence from u was THE_ONLY indeed "KonstruKtive" sentence of yours in the whole message & the one that will keep me smilin' after all this "hot topiK" "nonsense" !!! ;-) thanx a lot , "el conquistadore" !!! *G+* ;-) so what do y' all think about this ( if u actually read that far by now !!! *LOL* ;-))) : some people "out there" once said that kw were "foolish" , because they "adopt" to machines & not to "real" instruments like guitars for instance !!! *sly_grin* ;-) are they really "foolish" , because they've done things that no-one has done before ??? ;-) are they really "foolish" , because they've showed people that there are indeed "new sights & new sounds" , which they haven't "experienced" so far ??? ;-) ... & finally : is it really sooo "foolish" ( of kw & also of me !!! ;-) TO_BE_"DIFF'RENT"_&_INDIVIDUAL & have ( achieved ) "somethin'" that others might not understand completely by now ??? ;-) well ... jus' think about that y' all !!! *slyest_grin_u_can_imagine* ;-))) no matter how ridiculous & self-righteous this may "sound" now , but who of u will remember nicolau centola or bruce lloyd in a few years , eh ??? ;-) not many , i supppose !!! ;-) but most of the people here will certainly remember me !!! *hehehe* ;-))) that's _WHY_ i like TO_BE_DIFF'RENT_&_INDIVIDUAL ... no matter what others may think about it !!! ;-) thanx for your attention & goodbye y' all !!! oh jay - "the fool" ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) New Kraftwerk album "Achtung" Date: 23 Jan 2001 18:05:48 +0100 hi kwf's ! Robert Evans spreads "THE_NEWS" once again , as he wrote : ~ In light of the recent friction between Oh Jay, and everyone else, erm ... well ... not exactly "_EV'RYONE_" , i suppose , rob !!! *XLG* ;-))) ~ may I bring it to your attention that a new item is available ~ to order NOW from rainforest.com priced $78.98. ~ Apparently the release date is unconfirmed, ~ but NME says it will be "late 2012, preferably later". *ROTFLO_LOUDEST* ;-))) yeah , that's indeed a pretty good joke , mate !!! *still_LOL* ;-))) ~ "Achtung" (Quick!!) will contain "previously unreleased material", ~ including a secretly recorded conversation between Ralf and Florian ~ on how shite ATB are. *simply_can't_stop_LOL* ;-))) ~ A special 12 minute version of Boing Boom Tschak ~ is also likely to be included. oh , u mean that "acapella version" , where ralfie's doin' the "boing" , flo's doin' the "boom" , wolfgang's doin' the "tschak" & karl's doin' ... the "humble" rest of it ??? *pffft* ;-))) well ... i've got this really "interestin'" version SINCE_YEARS on an ol' cd bootleg called ... "kraftwerk _UNPLUGGED_" !!! *LO_LOUDEST_AGAIN* ;-))) ~ -----End of transmission----- really ??? *somehow_"stunned"_look* :-o ~ NOt YEt!!! aaahhh !!! ;-) "to be continued !!!" , eh ??? *BWG* ;-))) ~ Special regards to those "this side of sane!!" (tehe) u mean to those , who are "in-sane in the (mem)bra(i)n(e)" !? *hehehe* ;-))) > LOL quite heartliy!!!!!! whattabaadingleschmaat!!! ;-))) ~ Greetinx to those in south western England, just south of Bristol DITTO_!!! ;-) bzw : i jus' hadn't the slightest clue that _ANYBODY_ could actually live there !!! D'OH_!!! *MWG* ;-))) > My home town is twinned with Hldesheim yo , brutha !!! ;-) "hilde's heim" is mucho coolo indeedo , because the wild 'n' wicked hilde lives there too !!! *still_can't_stop_ROTFLO_LOUDEST* ;-))) yours since... erm ... about a year or so , i suppose !!! ;-) p. s. : oh , before i forget to mention this really important fact : ROB_RULEZ_!!! YEAH_!!! *G+* ;-) oh jay - "the very hilarious fool" ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Petter Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Emil Schult Date: 23 Jan 2001 09:49:12 -0800 (PST) Well, I've found that one already, but it doesn't contain much information yet. Does anyone have anything else to tell me about Mr Schult? Surely someone has some pictures? Right? p --- Lech wrote: > > Petter : > > I am also looking for other information about Mr. > Schult, as well as pictures of his art. > Keep an eye on http://www.emilschult.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) btw : why don't u use "scott pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator" for any future complaints , eh ??? *LOL* ;-))) Date: 23 Jan 2001 18:55:14 +0100 hi kwf's ! okay now ... i don't want to be the one , who spoiled the "fun" on this list , so if anyone of u likes to complain about me , u can use a very effective "tool" for this complaint ( fyi : i've also used this "tool" for "my comlaint about mr. bruce w. lloyd" !!! ;-) : use "scott pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator" , which u can find @ this addy : http://www-csag.cs.uiuc.edu/individual/pakin/complaint !!! *LOL* ;-))) have "fun" usin' it & _PLEEEAAASE_ ... don't send any complaints like this to the list again , because i've done it _FIRST_ & therefor the "novelty effect" of this really *kewl* joke has gone !!! *hehehe* ;-))) however ... all the best 'n' many greetinx from "your hilarious fool" called oh jay - the dyslexic jerk from germany !!! *G+* ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Wickson" Subject: (kw) bigotry Date: 23 Jan 2001 11:12:29 -0800 With all due respect to you Mr. Pistillit, I don't believe this list forum >is appropriate for homophobic bigotry. Try the Dr. Laura list. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "maninglass" Subject: (kw) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:24:59 -0500 Date: 23 Jan 2001 17:22:18 -0700 Does anyone know where I can download "Man-Machine Rewerked" ? I had on MP3 but it got corrupted. thanks, maninglass # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "maninglass" Subject: (kw) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:24:59 -0500 Date: 23 Jan 2001 19:02:51 -0700 Does anyone know where I can download "Man-Machine Rewerked" ? I had on MP3 but it got corrupted. thanks, maninglass # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam Read" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk UK Live 04/2001 Date: 24 Jan 2001 18:09:01 +1100 News from NME: (warning ! they have a large archive of news that didn't) Kraftwerk - ATP isn't fancy dress, you know TOMORROW'S ER, ALL TOMORROW'S PARTIES NEIL YOUNG, KRAFTWERK and AUTECHRE are being invited to play the next ALL TOMORROW'S PARTIES festival in April 2001, nme.com can reveal. Chicago's Tortoise will work hand-in-hand with promoters Foundation in picking the bill, following the success of Mogwai's event, held at Camber Sands Holiday Centre on April 7-9. Foundation's Barry Hogan told nme.com: "Tortoise have already given me their wish list and there are some juicy names on it. The ethos of ATP is to promote bands whose influence extends beyond the mainstream. We want the interesting rather than the mundane." It's now strongly rumoured that Shellac will curate the festival in 2002. Hogan continued: "Shellac loved this year's festival. They made an approach immediately after their set and gave me their ideal bill the next morning. It too is very interesting and not what you would expect." For regular updates see ATP's website www.alltomorrowsparties.co.uk. You can also see interviews with Steve Albini, Arab Strap, The Delgados and Gorkys Zygotic Mynci on the nme.com Special Features page from this month's All Tomorrow's Parties. ----- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Page Subject: (kw) Flur book available in Australia now Date: 24 Jan 2001 19:17:06 +1100 Australian list members may wish to know that the English edition of the Wolgang Flur book is now available in Australian book stores, though stock may have barely hit the shelves yet. Peter Page Sydney, Australia # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk UK Live 04/2001 Date: 24 Jan 2001 13:41:34 +0000 Adam Read wrote: > NEIL YOUNG, KRAFTWERK and AUTECHRE are being invited to play the next ALL > TOMORROW'S PARTIES festival in April 2001, nme.com can reveal. They can invite the Pope to be guest DJ, but it doesn't mean he will, of course. :-) Still, we can hope. K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) Karl Bartos Live Date: 24 Jan 2001 15:36:20 +0100 Hello,=20 Sorry if it had been mentionned here, but I don't read this list every da= y.=20 There's 8 tracks from a Karl Bartos concert in K=F6nl in 2000 available h= ere:=20 http://www.fortunecity.de/kraftwerk/onkelz/491/ In my opinion, the instrumentation is awesum (almost beter than KW for "T= he Robots" for example) , but there's a big=20 problem with Karl Voice singing KW, or the recording is badly ballanced. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Emil Schult Date: 24 Jan 2001 17:08:54 +0100 hi kwf's ! Petter asked : ~ Well, I've found that one already, but it doesn't ~ contain much information yet. Does anyone have ~ anything else to tell me about Mr Schult? Surely ~ someone has some pictures? Right? yep , for sure !!! ;-) fyi : there's a "virtual" friend of mine who actually has contact not only with emil schult , but also with wolfgang flür IN_"REAL"_LIFE_!!! *G+* ;-) btw : he's a long time member of my kraftwerkfans egroup http://www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans ;-) & would surely help u out in this case !!! ;-) therefor i'll post this particular message also to my kwf's group & then we only have to wait 'n' see , what might happen !!! *sly_grin* ;-) oh jay - "the fool" ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Familie de Haan Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk UK Live 04/2001 Date: 24 Jan 2001 20:27:59 +0100 > They can invite the Pope to be guest DJ, but it doesn't mean he will, of > course. :-) Still, we can hope. Wot? that the pope will DJ? -- LIFE ON EARTH: Men like pastries, women like custards. Scientists have invented a love drug, but it only works on bugs. Animals *like* earthquakes, tornadoes and volcanic activity. Talking Heads - Stop Making Sense # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) some more "THOUGHT_PROVOKIN'_STUFF" from this "dire mister oh jay" !!! *MWG* ;-))) Date: 24 Jan 2001 21:45:43 +0100 hi kwf's ! arnaud de bonald ( or should i say "mr. de bonald" ??? ;-) wrote : ~ dire mister Oh Jay , erm ... well ... "dear" arnaud , actually it has to be "dear" & not "dire" , ya know !? *LOL* ;-))) however ... thanx for the funny "title" anyway !!! *G+* ;-) ~ I think all your contributions to this KW list are very provocative. oh , thanx a lot for that really nice complaint ... err ... compliment , because as a matter of fact _ALL_ my "contributions" to this list are indeed "THOUGHT_PROVOKIN'" ... hopefully !!! *smartest_grin_u_can_imagine* ;-))) ~ I don't know where you want to go but this is getting very unpleasant to read mails from you here. hmmm ... i _KNOW_ that "some" people have a diff'rent opinion than u , arnaud , but they "surprisingly" _ALWAYS_ write me IN_PRIVATE ... & are not so "selfish" & have to share their opinion with the whole list !!! *sly_grin* ;-) anyway ... if u really feel "unpleasent" , when u read my mails , then i highly suggest to simply ignore or delete my messages & put my addy oh_jay@freenet.de to your "kill files" too !!! ;-) this will surely solve the "problem" , mate !!! *hehehe* ;-))) ~ Please be more polite with people or unsubscribe. u know ... i'm jus' like "a boomerang" : people , who are "polite" to me , will receive "polite" comments ... but people , who are not "polite" to me , will receive "impolite" comments !!! *XLG* ;-))) it's as simple as this !!! ;-) btw : i won't unsubscribe from this list !!! ;-) maybe i'll get "booted" from it one day ... but until that point in time ... jus' "learn to listen" & simply enjoy "the freedom of thought" from an individual of "a diff'rent kind" !!! *BWG* ;-))) p. s. : quote of the week : "keep on walkin' on the ceilin' while i'll clean the carpet !!!" *VBG* ;-))) yours sincerely , "the dire mister" oh jay - "the fool" ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale Emery Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Emil Schult Date: 24 Jan 2001 15:42:02 -0700 Did anyone else on this list ever use KW as make-out music? I used to su= ck face with Man Machine playing in my Ford. 1979. oh jay wrote, (a loosely used term): <> What we REALLY need is a "virtual" friend who can prod Florian and Ralf t= o PUBLISH. Btw, I'm not sure that oh jay hasn't mellowed a bit after that tiff. I u= sed to get a chuckle every time I read: <> also: <> (=3D the day I unsubscribe from this otherwise mundane list.) oh jay - the last of the international playboys, yessir. If you don't appreciate him, well, consider yerself just another sack of guts. (Sorry= , just wanted to say 'sack of guts.') Also, btw, what's "the weser"? -Bix ps - As you well know, ohj, satire is the bewilderment of the clueless. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) is' emil "schuld" ... oder wer war's jetzt ??? *MWG* ;-))) Date: 25 Jan 2001 01:58:52 +0100 hi kwf's ! a really *kewl* mate from "somewhere out there" in the "webwideworld" called dale emery wrote here recently : ~ Did anyone else on this list ever use KW as make-out music? ~ I used to suck face with Man Machine playing in my Ford. 1979. well ... i had no clue that this list is also for "adults" , mate !!! *ROTFLO_LOUDEST* ;-))) but to answer your really "interestin'" question here IN_"PUBLIC"_: i usually drove around in my ol' porsche carrera ( 911 "special" that is ... to be X-act !!! *G+* ;-) with my "boomin'" speakers "in full effect" playin' the famous "f. k." remix of tdf so "loudly" that i always fear my car's windows might burst ... because of this really "heavy stompin'" sound !!! *ROTFLMAO* ;-))) ~ What we REALLY need is a "virtual" friend who can prod ~ Florian and Ralf to PUBLISH. yeah , i know !!! *sighs_a_wee_bit_in_sorrow* :-o fyi : i've told florian hundreds of times to "get his things together" , go out & _FINALLY_ record 'n' mix this fabulous new tunes they've already made ... but he still tells me somethin' like "i jus' have to wait till ralf is comin' out of the shower !!!" ... or so !!! *sly_grin* ;-) well ... & after that he ( ralf a.k.a. "mr. kraftwerk" !!! ;-) usually goes into the studio with his bicyclin' trikot on & "performs" some "bicycle trainin'" with the robots !!! *MWG* ;-))) at the end of the day the robots are "in good shape" ... but ralfie 'n' flo are usually to "exhausted" to do anythin' else ... like makin' music or somethin' like that !!! *sighs_'n'_shrugs* :-o so by now , i suppose that "the next BIG_THING" of the "kraft-boys" will be a new remix of tdf in 2003 or 2004 ( to celebrate the 10th anniversary of its original release !!! ;-) made by "THE_BICYCLIN'_ROBOTS" !!! *hehehe* ;-))) ~ Btw, I'm not sure that oh jay hasn't mellowed a bit after that tiff. "mellowed a bit" ??? *somehow_puzzled_look_indeed* :-o maaan , i'm jus' 33 years ol' by now & i have more than enough time to get "mellow" when i'm over 50 ... or 60 ... jus' like the "kraft-boys" !!! *BWG* ;-))) ~ oh jay - the last of the international playboys, yessir. i'm sorry to "disappoint" u in this case , dale , but actually i'm "only" one of the "international deejay gigolos" like helmut geier a.k.a. dj hell !!! *VBG* ;-))) ~ If you don't appreciate him, well, ~ consider yerself just another sack of guts. ~ (Sorry, just wanted to say 'sack of guts.') *totally_blushes* :-o ooohhh ... uhm ... erm ... well ... what should i say now ??? *looks_even_more_puzzled_than_before* :-o THANX_BUNCHES , dale !!! *very_happy_smile* :-))) ~ Also, btw, what's "the weser"? "the weser" is a river that "separates" bremen from the rest of the world ... somehow ... literally , ya know !? *LOL* ;-))) ~ ps - As you well know, ohj, satire is the bewilderment of the clueless. actually , i had also "NO_CLUE" about that !!! *pffft* ;-))) p. s. : btw : thanx also a lot for your mail & the "newsrover" thing !!! *smart_grin* ;-) it seems to "werk" properly by now !!! *G+* ;-) ... & ALWAYS_REMEMBER_: there's no "bot" like micRO-BOT !!! *boing!boom!tschak!* ;-))) good nite , y' all , ... & sleep well !!! ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay - "the foolish robot" ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "\"Bruce Lloyd\" <\"Bruce Lloyd\"" Subject: (kw) Nazi-trash! Date: 25 Jan 2001 01:15:58 (GMT) Jesus you're a fucking loser. And so much fun to play with too. I'm sure you're getting quite upset and don't know what to do, because I'm not going away! Stick that in your fucking arse Nazi-trash! ======================================================= This is a Funtoosh.com Fake Email. 100% Fake 100% Fun. Send your own fake email from http://www.funtoosh.com/ ======================================================== # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "\"Bruce Lloyd\" <\"Bruce Lloyd\"" Subject: (kw) Nazi-trash! Date: 25 Jan 2001 01:16:46 (GMT) Jesus you're a fucking loser. And so much fun to play with too. I'm sure you're getting quite upset and don't know what to do, because I'm not going away! Stick that in your fucking arse Nazi-trash! ======================================================= This is a Funtoosh.com Fake Email. 100% Fake 100% Fun. Send your own fake email from http://www.funtoosh.com/ ======================================================== # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Dean" Subject: (kw) Oh Jay and Homos Date: 25 Jan 2001 07:24:47 -0000 Hi, let me just defend Oh Jay here - He does indeed type a lot of weird shit, but he's not childish and is actually okay. Besides, we must sympathise with him - He lives in the Bremen area, which would be enough to make anyone nuts :) Now, I asked before and I'll ask again. What photo did I miss that makes KW so queer? Unfortunately I missed it as I was in a land with no internet for a month and haven't the faintest idea what it's all about. So they were in a shower together? Starkers? Touching? Hell, I don't know - send me the picture or something! Take care, Matt http://www.mattwerk.com Ons ry ry ry op die Snelweg (duuh-duh-duh-duuuh) Voor ons lê 'n wyde dal Die son die skyn oor heel Transvaal (Kraftwerk. South African family and inclinations. Lethal...) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) No appearance at ATP aggggggghhhhhhhhh Date: 25 Jan 2001 11:20:49 -0000 Hi there Kraftwerk won't be at the Festival in UK in April (just seen ATP site). This is particularly disappointing on a personal note as I am UK based and have never seen them before. Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Political comments based on what evidence???? Date: 25 Jan 2001 11:47:52 -0000 Hi werker's I notice some very dangerous allegations being produced by people who know little if nothing about the subject they are writing on. Fascination with technology does not equate to Nazism. Neither does hiring El Lissitsky for the Man Machine Album cover artwork! If anything they are Militant Marxists!! Rise up Ralf and Florian for the sake of your Robot Workers!! Ich bin einen Berliner Robert das roboter. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Oh Jay and Homos ( ARGH_!!! >:-O wottasubjeKtline !!! *G+* ;-) Date: 25 Jan 2001 17:21:58 +0100 hi kwf's ! Matthew Dean wrote : ~ Hi, let me just defend Oh Jay here - ~ He does indeed type a lot of weird shit, ~ but he's not childish and is actually okay. *phew* :-o *sighs_deeply_in_relief* :-o thanx a lot , mate , ... err ... matt !!! ;-) btw : it isn't "weird shit" actually ... it's more like "weird stuff" ... if u may recognize that slight diff'rence !!! *sly_grin* ;-) ~ Besides, we must sympathise with him - ~ He lives in the Bremen area, ~ which would be enough to make anyone nuts :) oh , that much is true !!! *grumpf* :-/ bremen is indeed a very "nauseatin'" town !!! *sigh* :-o jus' a few facts about it : bremen actually consists of bremen ( the main city ;-) & bremerhaven , which is where they took the fish to the land ( fyi : that's why it's called "fishtown" !!! *LOL* ;-))) & these two "parts" of the state of bremen were separated at "birth" ... so to say !!! ;-) we also have diff'rent signs for our cars in bremen ( hb ) & bremerhaven ( bhv ) , jus' to make sure , who's "a fishhead" & who's not !!! *BWG* ;-))) u know ... it's somehow like irland & northern irland !!! ;-) uhm ... erm ... well ... maybe not exactly , ya know !? *ducks_'n'_runs_as_fast_as_he_can* ;-))) anyway ... i live in the northern part of bremen city , which is like "the outskirts" of a town with a lil' "twist" to it !!! *VBG* ;-))) more "natural livin'" with farms 'n' all that "stuff" !!! *MWG* ;-))) very few "original fishheads" ever come here ... because they don't even know that this part of "the world" exists !!! *ROTFLMAO* ;-))) to sum it all up : "fishtown" stinks , bremen city suXXX ... & bremen-nord where i live !!! ;-) is "mucho coolo indeedo" & makes me nuts ev'rytime i think about it !!! YEAH_!!! *XLG* ;-))) ~ Now, I asked before and I'll ask again. ~ What photo did I miss that makes KW so queer? ~ Unfortunately I missed it as I was in a land with ~ no internet for a month and haven't the faintest idea ~ what it's all about. So they were in a shower together? ~ Starkers? Touching? Hell, I don't know - ~ end me the picture or something! well ... u really didn't missed much here currently ... besides maybe some of the usual "silly stuff" from me & some "certain individuals" , who's names i can't even remember anymore by now !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) fyi : "THIS_PARTICULAR_PICTURE" , some of us where talkin' about here for some time , was originally published in wolfgang flür's german edition of his book "ich war ein roboter" !!! ;-) as far as i know , the english edition doesn't contain "THIS_PARTICULAR_PICTURE" anymore ... for reasons we can actually only speculate about ( maybe the lawsuit between kw & wolfi !? ;-) !!! :-/ that's really _ALL_ there is , dear matt !!! ;-) so don't worry about _ANY_ "sexual innuendos" of "weird stuff" like this any longer , mate ... err ... matt !!! *G+* ;-) ~ Ons ry ry ry op die Snelweg ~ (duuh-duh-duh-duuuh) ~ Voor ons lê 'n wyde dal ~ Die son die skyn oor heel Transvaal ~ ~ (Kraftwerk. South African family and inclinations. Lethal...) hey , wottareallyKewlversionof"autobahn" !!! *LO_LOUDEST* ;-))) however ... simply screw the speed limit & "drive me crazy" !!! *LOLITA* ;-))) ( *LOLITA* = *Laughin'OutLoudInTremendousAmusement* ;-))) yours sincerely , oh jay - "the nutty nutshell" ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lemmens Geert Subject: (kw) cooperation Date: 25 Jan 2001 08:48:27 -0800 (PST) Hi, i found this quote on www.jarre.net: >Did you know? >The song 'Je me souviens' from the new Metamorphoses >album was originally to be recorded together with >Kraftwerk. Unfortunately the schedules of Jean Michel >Jarre and Kraftwerk didn't match so the collaboration >didn't go ahead. it's a shame they both have such a busy schedule, i would love to hear that kind op cooperation geert ===== The Angels said it is God's creation. The Gods said it was a strange coincidence. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JandSNuckels@webtv.net (Jason & Sherry Nuckels) Subject: (kw) Oh Jay's Posts Date: 25 Jan 2001 08:59:48 -0800 (PST) I like Oh Jay's posts- very entertaining. Keep 'em coming, Oh Jay! Jason "Das Einundzwanzigste Jahrhundert" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) cooperation Date: 25 Jan 2001 17:58:56 +0000 Lemmens Geert wrote: > i found this quote on www.jarre.net: > >> Did you know? >> The song 'Je me souviens' from the new Metamorphoses >> album was originally to be recorded together with >> Kraftwerk. Unfortunately the schedules of Jean Michel >> Jarre and Kraftwerk didn't match so the collaboration >> didn't go ahead. Somehow the idea of the pope DJing doesn't seem so far-fetched. ;-) Maybe JMJ made an approach, but it was probably more a case of "We're busy!" than of synchronising schedules, I would think. K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ilych@aol.com Subject: (kw) Flame battles & kindergarten discussion - "genug!" Date: 25 Jan 2001 13:24:51 EST Ok: everyone has had his say now. Let's not provoke an international incident, ok? I don't see why the Brasilians and the Germans can't be friends (except maybe on the soccer pitch.) Can we please just talk about Kraftwerk and golden showers now, please? *LOL* However, greetinx from northeast Illinois, Bruno V. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) brazilians vs. germans 1:1 / kw 'n' "golden showers" !? *MWG* ;-))) Date: 25 Jan 2001 20:00:07 +0100 hi kwf's ! bruno v. from northeast illinois ( or "ill-e-noise" ... like i would write it !!! ;-) wrote : ~ Ok: everyone has had his say now. damn right , mate !!! *G+* ;-) ~ Let's not provoke an international incident, ok? to late !!! my "troops" are already on def con x(-rated) !!! *ROTFLMAO* ;-))) ~ I don't see why the Brasilians and the Germans can't be friends ~ (except maybe on the soccer pitch.) completely agreed , bruno !!! ;-) btw : i once played soccer myself , but i was simply "too bad" to do anythin' else than keepin' the goal "clean" ... which isn't that bad either , isn't it ??? *BWG* ;-))) ~ Can we please just talk about Kraftwerk and golden showers ~ now, please? *LOL* well ... i heard that kw are ( once again !!! ;-) in their kling klang studio , recordin' new "stuff" & they actually don't have "a golden shower" in it , because flo once said that this is "way too expensive" & doesn't even make much sense at all !!! *LOLITA* ;-))) instead they build some new robots for their extraordinary kw bicyclin' team to premiere @ the next tdf ... hopefully !!! *sly_grin* ;-) ~ However, greetinx from northeast Illinois, many greetinx back to u & "the humble rest" of this freaky weirdos ... "somewhere out there" in the "webwideworld" !!! *hehehe* ;-))) yours sincerely , oh jay - "the foolish goalkeeper" ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicolau Centola" Subject: Re: (kw) flame battles & kindergarten discussion ... Date: 25 Jan 2001 21:42:35 -0200 First of all, before my comments for your "sweet" mail, Mr. Oh Jay: Sorry for all of this list. I would not talk about this topic anymore, but considering Mr. Oh Jay answer to my private mail and to the list about his "off topics", I had to reply it. I promisse to not send anymore mails about this, considering I'm strongly intend to get out of this list after 6 years, because it became so boring and non Kraftwerk... Mr. Oh Jay, I know you are not interested on it, but... I don't know what kind of world history you learned in Germany, but here in Brazil we don't speak spanish, but portuguese. So, the aka "el conquistadore" is not correct for me. I will help you teaching one word in portuguese: "o conquistador". Otherwise this "title" is not applicable for me, because my family came from Italy in the beggining of 20th century, and not from Portugal, so we didn't have anything to do with the relations between portuguese and native tribes in Brasil. Now about your mail: >2.) concernin' this "o. j. simpson" kind of "joke" , i can only say >*HAR!HAR!HAR!* :-o >what a lamer !!! *grumpf* :-/ this "stuff" is sooo old & borin' that it's >totally rotten by now & _NOBODY_ ( except maybe u , nicolau !? ;-) can laugh >about it !!! *pffft* :-o Well, this is not my joke, but yours... a guy who has the nick Oh Jay is asking for people call him O J Simpson, don't you think? >fact is : english isn't my mother tongue too , nicolau !!! ;-) >i'm from germany & therefor german is my native language !!! ;-) >i'm sorry if u find my mails more difficult to read than "normal" english >mails , but i think that i've expressed this here various times before , >that my writin' style is simply a part of my _INDIVIDUALITY_ & my "presence" >in the "webwideworld" as oh jay !!! ;-) that's _WHY_ i like to write as i >want to write , mate !!! ;-) I will not talk about your "way of writing"... it's part of your personality... but I have to say it's impossible to understand your messages and I'm sure a lot of other people thinks the same... you have in germany the Hoch Deutsche, for formal communication... if english is the "official" internet language, I think all of us have to express ourselves in a way everyone could understand, even if you are a germany, a portuguese, a chinese or a native brazilian... >on the other hand i have a very simple & very basic question to all of u : >_WHY_ don't u ask me IN_PRIVATE about my "style" of writin' & what it >actually means ??? *very_curious_indeed* ;-) I never asked you in private about your way of writing because your mails never interested me... but, when your mails became almost the totality of the KW digest, I had to comment about your "personal way of writing"... I promisse I will never comment about this topic again, because I believe you become strongly altered when someone criticise your writing... >BOGUS_!!! >:-O u _CAN_ read them _ALL_ , but u _DON'T_ want to spend "your >precious time" on askin' me about "somethings" that u may not understand or >u simply _WON'T_ understand them , because u are to stubborn , mate , ... & >THAT'S_WHAT_REALLY_ANNOYS_ME_PERSONALLY_!!! *grim* :-/ Sorry if I made you annoyed, it was not my intent... but I really don't have time or age to spend my time trying to translate your messages into english and then into portuguese... sorry, it's my opinion... you have your and I respect it, so respect mine, please. >hmmm ... "somehow" u understand "my" english very well , otherwise u >wouldn't have posted this "complaint" about "my style of writin'" , nicolau >!!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) >*hehehe* ;-))) u've been "unmasked" , jus' like mr. bruce lloyd !!! *LOL* >;-))) Sorry, I have no words to comment about this... this period is so surreal!! >well ... my suggestion in this case would be : take THE_GREAT_CHALLENGE ... >& resubscribe to the list in the "normal" modus & get to read all mails >"individually" !!! *BIG_hint* ;-))) Another surreal sentence... you will "never change" your way of living, but I have to... funny. >oh dear , nicolau !!! :-/ this is A_REALLY_DEROGATORY_"COMMENT" about all >those native brazilians , don't u know that !? *grim* :-/ >u are jus' "el conquistadore" & therefor it's the same with the americans & I will not commet this either, because you of course don't know nothing about our native people... this was not a derogatory comment... indian culture here is very respected, for me too... the comment was just in the way of talking... I know some centuries ago, the portuguese and the indians had some problems, but you can not even compare what happened here with, for exemple, waht happened in USA. There the indians were just killed and today you probably don't have many tribes there. In other way, here we have a lot of tribes... of course smaller than in the XVI century, but at Amazonia, our biggest rain forrest, we find today tribes that never saw a white man... Many other countries killed or finished with other people just because they were different, for example, the spanish in Latin America... but you cannot criticise the whole country for long past acts, ok? >if u really think that u are indeed such a "_SOPHISTICATED_" guy , than u >simply wouldn't say such a bad thing about the NATIVE_BRAZILIANS , nicolau >!!! *sighs_deeply_in_disgust* :-o I never told I'm a sophisticated guy... otherwise, my grand father, when came from Treviso, Italy to Brazil in the beginning of 20th century, was a shoemaker... not a sophisticated background, but he gave us education! And I'm proud I speak and write a good portuguese. >fact is : the NATIVE_PEOPLE of EV'RY_COUNTRY_IN_THE_WHOLE_WIDE_WORLD have a >longer "tradition" in speakin' their own tongue - that the "conquistadors" >don't might understand - than those bloody "invaders" itself !!! well, this is the point I'm sure you didn't understood a single word from my previous mail... When I told the indians have a childlike speaking I would like to say when they speak in portuguese, not their native languages... of course it was a mistake in 16th century when the portuguese came, to force the indians to speak portuguese, but now we have here, for example, a dictionary from tupi guarani (an indian language) to portuguese... I never heared about a similar in any other country... I really disagree with you when you say that the natives in the whole world have a longer tradition in speaking their own tongue... IMHO it's so specific to any kind of generalization, but it's just my opinion. >i may be "stupid" in some cases & / or "foolish" in some others , but i'm >really "experienced" when it comes down to self-righteous & narrow-minded >people like u , nicolau , to know that "they" will NEVER_EVER change me or >my "style" IN_NO_WAY_AT_ALL_!!! *pretty_convinced_smile* :-))) This is the most important difference between us, my dear... I'm always changing, when I identify some interesting point of view, even if it's not correct for me... otehrwise, you don't know nothing about me to tell I'm a self-righteous or narrow-minded... be gentle, man, and world will be gentle with you. >no matter how ridiculous & self-righteous this may "sound" now , but who of >u will remember nicolau centola or bruce lloyd in a few years , eh ??? ;-) >not many , i supppose !!! ;-) >but most of the people here will certainly remember me !!! *hehehe* ;-))) >that's _WHY_ i like TO_BE_DIFF'RENT_&_INDIVIDUAL ... no matter what others >may think about it !!! ;-) That is not a think that concern to us, but just to time... time will tell the true... I tell you again: you don't know nothing about me to tell anything about my future... and remember: be different and individual not means you are in a good way... we have a lot of examples in your country and in mine of people who were different and individual and went for the wrong way... finally, don't waste your time to answer me... your address went to my ignore list and I'm getting out of KW list, until things become much more in good vibes! peace to all and thanks for the KW list to tolerate another off topic message Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?B?riB8fHwgVFtlXUNoTk8gfHx8IK4=?= Subject: (kw) RV: AutobahN intro <-------------- Date: 25 Jan 2001 20:58:03 -0300 is the "engine start" of autobahn the sound of a volvkswagen ???? greets from buenos aires Jp _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik J. Eid" Subject: Re: (kw) Karl Bartos Live Date: 25 Jan 2001 20:34:09 -0500 At 01:36 PM 1/24/01 +0100, Arnaud de Bonald (bonald@altern.org) wrote: >There's 8 tracks from a Karl Bartos concert in K=F6ln in 2000 available= here: > >http://www.fortunecity.de/kraftwerk/onkelz/491/ > >In my opinion, the instrumentation is awesum (almost beter than KW for=20 >"The Robots" for example) , but there's a big problem with Karl Voice=20 >singing KW, or the recording is badly ballanced. Arnaud, thank you for pointing this out to the list! I am wondering if any of the list readers who have checked these recordings= =20 out are encountering the same problems I am. There seems to be the=20 ubiquitous Windows "bing" near the last quarter of "Numbers" and another=20 Windows sound in the first few seconds of "Metropolis". I also got some=20 garbled sound in the middle of "Computer World". Has anyone else experienced this? . . \_ +\_ + o_-/ . O . \-_o -=3D/- . . . . \=3D// . ---------\_______ ||O ___.______ /* Erik Eid */ \____||L/\_____/ /* eeid@wwnet.net */_______________________=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Coen Rampen" Subject: RE: (kw) Karl Bartos Live Date: 26 Jan 2001 03:22:10 +0100 Hi list, > I am wondering if any of the list readers who have checked these recordings > out are encountering the same problems I am. There seems to be the > ubiquitous Windows "bing" near the last quarter of "Numbers" and another > Windows sound in the first few seconds of "Metropolis". I also got some > garbled sound in the middle of "Computer World". > > Has anyone else experienced this? Yup; apparently the guy who made the files was a bit careless during the process... I managed to edit all Windows sounds, skips and pops out of the files; the result is pretty good. I'll put it online one of these days. Regards, Coen Rampen c.rampen@student.utwente.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Claycomb" Subject: (kw) Test Date: 25 Jan 2001 21:34:20 -0500 Test 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Claycomb" Subject: Fw: (kw) Oh Jay's Posts Date: 25 Jan 2001 21:46:57 -0500 > From: "Jason & Sherry Nuckels" > > > > > I like Oh Jay's posts- very entertaining. Keep 'em coming, Oh Jay! > > > > Jason > > > > "Das Einundzwanzigste Jahrhundert" > > I'll 2nd that 1!!! I think it takes a lot of thought to write phrases the > way he puts them together!! *LOL* It's Klever!!!! ;-) > > > > Greetings from an American born......however both sides of my family are from >Germany!!!!! ;-) > > Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) RV: AutobahN intro <-------------- Date: 26 Jan 2001 13:30:15 +0100 =AE ||| T[e]ChNO ||| =AE schrieb am 26.01.2001 0:58 Uhr MEZ: >=20 > is the "engine start" of autobahn the sound of a volvkswagen ???? >=20 > greets from buenos aires > Jp Yep, it is, according to Karl. And according to my own ears, too. I'll neve= r forget the lovely sound of my old beetle (may his body rest in peace). jan ^^^v^^^ http://www.felix-bloch-erben.de -> Autoren -> Drehbuch # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) does anybody of u people have "an universal translator" to translate my "kauderwelsch" into a language which "o conquistador" nicolau finally understands ??? *very_curious_indeed* ;-) Date: 26 Jan 2001 16:29:27 +0100 hi kwf's ! "o conquistador" ( *VBG* ;-))) Nicolau Centola once again shared his "PRIVATE_COMMENTS" ( *BWG* ;-))) about me with all of u ... & so do i , for one more time : ~ First of all, before my comments for your "sweet" mail, Mr. Oh Jay: first of all , before _I_ comment your postin' to the list any further , i like to ask u ONE_VERY_SIMPLE_QUESTION_: WHY_THE_HECK do u have to share "your opinion" about me ONCE_AGAIN with all the list members , mate ??? *utmost_curious_indeed* ;-) i really don't understand your indeed very "selfish behavior" anymore , nicolau !!! *sigh* :-/ _WHY_ don't u send me your comments IN_PRIVATE , mate ??? *jus'_curious* ;-) well ... i think that i maybe know the answer to it already : u only like to "generate" another "silly thread" which causes "flames" & even more "controversial disKussions" !!! *grim* >:-||| but i can tell u this , "o conquistador" nicolau , I_WON'T_"PARTICIPATE"_ANY_LONGER_ON_THESE_"SILLY_NONSENSE"_!!! :-/ therefore my sincere advise to all other RESONABLE_"INDIVIDUALS" on this list is : IGNORE_SUCH_"SELFISH"_PEOPLE like nicolau centolau !!! they haven't got _ANYTHIN'_ "usefull" to say anymore , so they only try to drag others into their "flame-baiting" & cause confusion & mess with such "threats" like "i'll leave this list immediately if this ( insert my nickname or the name of another "certain individual" here !!! ;-) guys won't stop their private flame wars !!!" !!! D'OH_!!! :-O okay now , then PLEASE_LEAVE_THIS_LIST_ASAP_&_STOP_"FUZZIN'"_&_COMPLAININ'_ANY_LONGER_IN_PUB LIC , "o conquistador" nicolau !!! fyi : i surely _WON'T_ miss u a single second & i'll be much happier WITHOUT_U "botherin'" me & others here for much longer !!! PERIOD_!!! ~ Sorry for all of this list. I would not talk about this topic anymore, ... but u still do it !!! *sigh* :-/ ~ but considering Mr. Oh Jay answer to my private mail WHAT_"PRIVATE_MAIL" are u "fuzzin'" about here , mate ??? *indeed_very_curious* i haven't received ANY_"PRIVATE_MAIL" from u & _ALL_ your "PRIVATE_MAILS" were send to this list by YOURSELF_!!! GEE_!!! >:-O maybe u really don't know , how to send people a "PRIVATE_MAIL" to somebody , nicolau ??? *sly_grin* ;-) ~ and to the list about his "off topics", I had to reply it. yep , that's okay with me ... but once again : WHY_NOT_"IN_PRIVATE"_??? *utmost_curious_by_now* ~ I promisse to not send anymore mails about this, okay , dude !!! ;-) at least I'LL_TAKE_YOUR_WORD_FOR_GRANTED_!!! ~ considering I'm strongly intend to get out of this list after 6 years, ~ because it became so boring and non Kraftwerk... well ... WHERE_ARE_YOUR_"KONSTRUKTIVE_KONTRIBUTIONS" by now , mate ??? *jus'_curious* ;-) fyi : i haven't seen _ANY_ of them here lately !!! *sigh* :-/ ~ Mr. Oh Jay, I know you are not interested on it, but... ~ I don't know what kind of world history you learned in Germany, *hehehe* ;-))) fyi : i've learned at least "somethin'" about south american history from some friends of mine from chile , argentina , brasil , venezuela & peru , dear nicolau !!! *G+* ;-) ~ but here in Brazil we don't speak spanish, but portuguese. oh , what a "BIG_SURPRISE"_!!! *ROTFLMAO* ;-))) ~ So, the aka "el conquistadore" is not correct for me. guess what , nicolau ??? i've known this already before u try to "teach" me one of your "lessons" once again !!! *LOL* ;-))) oh my , your "selfish" reactions are really sooo PREDICTABLE_'N'_TOTALLY_OBVIOUS_!!! *XLG* ;-))) ~ I will help you teaching one word in portuguese: "o conquistador". anyway ... thanx a lot for "teachin'" me "a lesson" once again , "o conquistador" nicolau !!! *LOLITA* ;-))) ~ Well, this is not my joke, but yours... hmmm ... what are u talkin' about here , mate ??? *jus'_curious_again* ;-) ~ a guy who has the nick Oh Jay is asking for people ~ call him O J Simpson, don't you think? *Can'tStopRollin'OnTheFloorLaughin'OutLoudForSomeTimeInTremendousAmusement* ;-))) well ... let me tell u jus' one thing : "O" & "J" are the _INITIALS_ of my "real" name ... & _ALL_ of my friends called me "oh jay" for about half of my life ... even long before this simpson guy was "popular" !!! *VBG* ;-))) SO_WHAT_??? ;-) [ skippin' most of "o conquistador" nicolau's & my "ruminated nonsense" here !!! ;-) ] ~ That is not a think that concern to us, but just to time... time will tell ~ the true... MOST_DEFINITELY , mate !!! *pretty_convinced_smile* :-))) ~ I tell you again: you don't know nothing about me fyi : i actually know more about u than i like to know , "o conquistador" nicolau !!! *sigh* :-/ ~ to tell anything about my future... and remember: ~ be different and individual not means you are in a good way... fact is : i've never told anybody or even try to convince anybody to believe that i'm a "decent" 'n' "humble" guy , mate !!! *jus'_another_sly_grin* ;-) I_AM_WHAT_I_AM_!!! ;-) some people may like or even "love" me & my "attitude" ... while others may not like me or even "hate" me & my "attitude" !!! *smartest_grin* ;-))) there's simply no "I'M_NOT_SURE_IF_I_LIKE_HIM_OR_NOT_!!!" way for the people who are "confronted" with "my humble existence" , dear nicolau !!! *also_pretty_convinced_smile* :-))) that's what makes me maybe not "a good guy" ... but at least A_TRULY_HONEST_MAN_!!! ~ we have a lot of examples in your country ~ and in mine of people who were different and individual ~ and went for the wrong way... yep , that much is for sure !!! *sigh* :-/ but _ALL_ of those people weren't really "honest" persons !!! they _ALL_ lied , betrayed & treated others like they won't be treated themselves !!! *very_deep_sigh* :-o fyi : I_TELL_U_WHAT_I_HONESTLY_THINK_ABOUT_PEOPLE_LIKE_U_!!! so u may call me "an annoyin' individual" & "a very undiplomatic person" or whatever else u want to , but I'M_AT_LEAST_HONEST_TO_MYSELF_&_TO_OTHERS_TOO_!!! ~ finally, don't waste your time to answer me... *LOL* ;-))) DITTO , "my friend" !!! ;-) DITTO_!!! ;-) ~ your address went to my ignore list well ... maybe my "oh jay" addy is blocked by u , but i've got more addies than u got "kill files" , mate !!! *hehehe* ;-))) however ... ;-) ~ and I'm getting out of KW list, ~ until things become much more in good vibes! ... which also depends on people like u MUCH_MORE , than on people like me , dear nicolau !!! *utmost_convinced_smile* :-))) ~ peace to all and thanks for the KW list ~ to tolerate another off topic message _DITTO_ ... once again !!! ;-) p. s. : dear nicolau , please try to write me IN_PRIVATE next time u like to start your "rant" about me once again , okay ??? *MWG* ;-))) ... & please don't take yourself _ALWAYS_ sooo damned "serious" , people !!! *slyest_grin_u_can_imagine* ;-))) learn to laugh about "your humble self" ... jus' like i do it ... most of the time !!! *LOLA* ;-))) yours sincerely , oh jay - "the foolish jerk" ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) Conzerts Date: 26 Jan 2001 15:35:42 -0000 Hello Rob I've ranted about this before and I apologise if I'm boring anyone. I've only seen them perform once B4 back in early 90's at the Brixton Academy in London. I am sad 4 U that you've not had this experience. It was for me, one of the great highlights of my life to stand in front of the stage and see these legends perform. I hope I will be able to experience this again if they ever do a live gig in this country, tho they must be getting on in years now. It won't be the same seeing them perform in their wheelchairs. Shaun Hi there Kraftwerk won't be at the Festival in UK in April (just seen ATP site). This is particularly disappointing on a personal note as I am UK based and have never seen them before. Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dolf" Subject: (kw) Twingo's concertdates of kraftwerk has been updated Date: 26 Jan 2001 17:07:00 +0100 After a long peiod of inactivity I finally updated the concertdates http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk/ page with info of the various mails I have received. Thanks to all who have contributed to me and Klaus! (if tried to me all you in person, but perhaps I did forget someone) Nice additions are of course the more earlier ones: a 1970 gig!, and a list of 1975 gigs from Wolfgang Flur himself. But offcourse also the more recent ones are a welcome add to the list. Still there are some dates which puzzle me. Australia 16-20 Sept.1981 (2 concerts on Sydney on 16 and 17 are sure, but might there be 3, and what about Melbourne?) & USA 25-30 July 1981. Some I have added with comments, some I still have to sort out. I notice that the closer you get to completion the more difficult it gets to straighten out conflicting information. But we continue! So: You can help: Any hints and tips are very welcome! especially scans from tickets!! dates from tapes (however sometimes very confusing). Please reply to both Klaus and me: mailto:k_z@gmx.net;twingo@xs4all.nl BY THE WAY: KLAUS ? IS this still your right email? /Dolf (aka Twingo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) cooperation Date: 26 Jan 2001 17:49:00 +0100 Lemmens Geert wrote: > >Unfortunately the schedules of Jean Michel > >Jarre and Kraftwerk didn't match so the collaboration > >didn't go ahead. > > it's a shame they both have such a busy schedule, i > would love to hear that kind op cooperation I would love to know, what KW are scheduling at all ;-) Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Twingo's concertdates of kraftwerk has been updated Date: 26 Jan 2001 17:58:45 +0000 > Please reply > to both Klaus and me: mailto:k_z@gmx.net;twingo@xs4all.nl > BY THE WAY: KLAUS ? IS this still your right email? It is "k_z@gmx.de" ("de" instead of "net"). Thanks, Klaus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) If there's one thing I hate it's a bully Date: 26 Jan 2001 18:30:46 +0000 A reminder to list members that if they are unhappy about the conduct of any list member the address to complain to is: owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Familie de Haan Subject: Re: (kw) RV: AutobahN intro <-------------- Date: 26 Jan 2001 19:46:15 +0100 > Yep, it is, according to Karl. And according to my own ears, too. I'll never > forget the lovely sound of my old beetle (may his body rest in peace). i.m.h.o. it sounds more like a diesel engine - truck kind of car -- Double-check your URL, As we all have heard before. You ask for an invalid filename, And I respond, "404." 404 by Dan Black # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dolf" Subject: (kw) Twingo's concertdates of kraftwerk has been updated, corrected Date: 26 Jan 2001 20:09:05 +0100 Corrected address of Klaus (.de instead of .net) After a long peiod of inactivity I finally updated the concertdates http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk/ page with info of the various mails I have received. Thanks to all who have contributed to me and Klaus! (if tried to me all you in person, but perhaps I did forget someone) Nice additions are of course the more earlier ones: a 1970 gig!, and a list of 1975 gigs from Wolfgang Flur himself. But offcourse also the more recent ones are a welcome add to the list. Still there are some dates which puzzle me. Australia 16-20 Sept.1981 (2 concerts on Sydney on 16 and 17 are sure, but might there be 3, and what about Melbourne?) & USA 25-30 July 1981. Some I have added with comments, some I still have to sort out. I notice that the closer you get to completion the more difficult it gets to straighten out conflicting information. But we continue! So: You can help: Any hints and tips are very welcome! especially scans from tickets!! dates from tapes (however sometimes very confusing). Please reply to both Klaus and me: mailto:k_z@gmx.de;twingo@xs4all.nl /Dolf (aka Twingo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) If there's one thing I hate it's a bully Date: 26 Jan 2001 20:25:08 +0100 hi kwf's ! "my ol' bro BIG_K" wrote : ~ A reminder to list members that if they are unhappy ~ about the conduct of any list member ~ the address to complain to is: ~ ~ owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com ~ ~ Kevin well ... thanx for the "hint" , kev , but what sense does it make , if the "owner" of this addy NEVER_EVER replies to u AT_ALL , eh ??? *jus'_curious_&_slightly_disappointed* :-/ i'm really sorry to say this , but i actually prefer to take things in my own hands , rather than to wait for WEEKS_OR_EVEN_MONTH , before i may get _ANY_ ( if helpful at all !!! :-/ ) reply !!! *sigh* :-o yours sincerely , oh jay - "the foolish bully" ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sarahgri@interlog.com Subject: (kw) Some silly rumour I'm sure, but... Date: 27 Jan 2001 02:07:39 -0500 Hey! The other day some dude in 'Sam the Record Man' said that he heard that Kraftwerk is supposed to be going on another tour sometime soon, and that one stop will be TORONTO! Has anyone else heard anything like this, or is the store boy just full of sheisse? Kling Klang! -Sarah :-) PS... I want to get a "Hooter's" restaurant T-shirt made except instead of saying Hooter's it would say "Huetter" (but with the umlaut - I don't know how to type one on this keyboard!). Also, last year for the student film festival I wanted to make a movie entitled: "A Kraftwerk Orange", but it never left the drawing board. Anyone else who is interested in pursuing such a silly project - you have my permission! :-) ____________________________________________________________________________ + IF YOU MISS ME YOU SHOULD TAKE SOME MEDICINE + ____________________________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Kirchohmfeld Date: 28 Jan 2001 11:04:09 +0100 Kirchohmfeld has just released a CD entitled 'Diode'. According its Spanish dealer it contains avant-garde synth-pop, 100% German, cold and melodic, with songs in the tradition of German groups from the seventies and eighties as Der Plan, La Duesseldorf and Kraftwerk. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Petter Subject: Re: (kw) Political comments based on what evidence???? Date: 28 Jan 2001 10:21:33 -0800 (PST) Just a brief comment: El Lissitzky didn't do any artwork för Kraftwerk. He was a russian futurist, mainly active in the 20:s. The Man Machine artwork was done by Karl Kleifish, although inspired by El Lissitzky, as the phrase "inspired by El Lissitzky" on the cover implies. /Petter --- Robert Evans wrote:> Fascination with technology does not equate to > Nazism. > > Neither does hiring El Lissitsky for the Man Machine > Album cover artwork! > > If anything they are Militant Marxists!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?B?riB8fHwgVFtlXUNoTk8gfHx8IK4=?= Subject: (kw) Simpsons Movie CLip <----[] Date: 28 Jan 2001 22:04:14 -0300 DOes anybody know where i can can download the scketch On the SIMPSON`s TV SHOW where Kraftwerk was named ???? greets jp _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Dean" Subject: (kw) KW = make-out music? Date: 29 Jan 2001 10:09:02 -0000 Did anyone else on this list ever use KW as make-out music? Well, I reckon that Kohoutek Kometenmelodie 2 is a song to which I could imagine a couple getting pretty heated up. The Man Machine is beautiful, but too robotic in my opinion to be make-out music. http://www.mattwerk.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) Mensch Maschine cover Date: 29 Jan 2001 13:12:22 +0100 Petter schrieb am 28.01.2001 19:21 Uhr MEZ: > > Just a brief comment: El Lissitzky didn't do any > artwork f?r Kraftwerk. He was a russian futurist, > mainly active in the 20:s. The Man Machine artwork was > done by Karl Kleifish, although inspired by El > Lissitzky, as the phrase "inspired by El Lissitzky" on > the cover implies. > > /Petter To be correct: The back cover of Mensch Maschine is a detail from "Von zwei Quadraten, Szene 8", a book graphic series by El Lissitzky, 1922; 28 x 22,3 cm. (See Kai-Uwe Hemken: El Lissitzky - Revolution und Avantgarde. DuMont Verlag, Koeln 1990, pic. 9) jan ^^^v^^^ http://www.felix-bloch-erben.de -> Autoren -> Drehbuch # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Cautious optimism Date: 29 Jan 2001 12:23:58 +0000 Oh Jay wrote: > what sense does it make , if the > "owner" of this addy NEVER_EVER replies to u AT_ALL , eh ??? A fair point! Lazlo seems to have given up on us, so we are now in a state of... Anarchy! (A) We can brawl and riot - or decide to get on with each other, for once. I can't say I'm hopeful - there are just too many conflicting outlooks on this list - but let's try, yes? OJ, since we're chatting so reasonably ;-D I'll confess that your reaction to Nicolau seemed to me unacceptably aggressive. That's my subjective view of course, and I expect that from your perspective you just felt you were defending yourself from yet more criticism. But your email style is deliberately provocative, so some criticism is inevitable, no? You used to respond in good spirit, I hope you are still able to do so! Anyway, I hope we can all carry on here constructively. But without a list moderator, I don't think it will be long before another flame war starts. And every time that happens, more useful contributors leave the list. Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Markowski Subject: (kw) KW led font? Date: 29 Jan 2001 09:33:57 -0500 I seem to remember months ago someone posting a URL. I think it was to a portion of the KW site where there was a .gif file for each letter & number. The font looked like characters made from LED segments, kind of like 7-segment calculator digits. If anyone remembers what I'm talking about, could you please repost the URL? (If the URL has disappeared, a tar - or zip - file of the images via email is equally appreciated!) Thanks! Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Splitting hairs Date: 29 Jan 2001 17:49:06 -0000 Hi Kraftwerkers Just a short post to say that I wish that people would stop splitting hairs so they can make "smart arse" comments that supposedly indicate they have more Kraftwerk knowledge than someone else. I feel like people are waiting for others to make a mistake so they can correct them. This forum should be for fun. Music is fun, lets stop trying to outdo each other. Thank God for Oh Jay's mayhem. So Florian's father is called Paul Schneider-Esleben, and not Paul Esleben. Well done to that smart arse. So El Lissitsky is a Russian futurist and not an artist, Petter. And your point is? Do you think I don't read the information in the albums?? "Music Non Stop" Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Howard Jonathan Fredrics Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk/Stockhausen together? Date: 29 Jan 2001 16:22:22 -0500 Hi, I'm new to the list. I teach electronic music at Texas A&M University and have been using Kraftwerk's music in my teaching. Having heard a rumor from several sources, including the archives of this list, about Kraftwerk and Stockhausen performing (either together or separately) music by each other. Although, I've read that this rumor is not true in a number of places (including this list), my experience is that sometimes, there is a grain of truth to rumors. If anyone does know for a fact that they did either perform together (even if it was just sharing the same concert with each performing their own works), I would be most grateful to know the details of the concert and would especially like to obtain either audio recordings, photographs, and/or videorecordings of such an event. Thanks for the help. -Howard Fredrics Assistant Professor of Music Texas A&M University fredric@unix.tamu.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) Mensch Maschine cover Date: 30 Jan 2001 01:09:15 +0100 ConnectFree schrieb am 29.01.2001 22:01 Uhr MEZ: > This period's images are the most obvious influence; but I can't find the > exact reference Jan cites. well, here it is: El Lissitzky, Von zwei Quadraten, Szene 8: http://eldred.ne.mediaone.net/el/pro13.html best, jan ^^^v^^^ http://www.felix-bloch-erben.de -> Autoren -> Drehbuch # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Petter Subject: Re: (kw) Mensch Maschine cover Date: 30 Jan 2001 01:31:21 -0800 (PST) While on this matter, did Emil Schult do the Radioactivity-cover? __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk/Stockhausen together? Date: 30 Jan 2001 12:18:21 +0000 Howard Jonathan Fredrics wrote: > I'm new to the list. Welcome to the machine. > I teach electronic music at Texas A&M University and > have been using Kraftwerk's music in my teaching. I would be interested to hear more about that. How do you place them in the context of more "traditional" course listening? > Having heard a rumor from several sources, including the archives of this > list, about Kraftwerk and Stockhausen performing (either together or > separately) music by each other. > > Although, I've read that this rumor is not true in a number of places > (including this list), my experience is that sometimes, there is a grain of > truth to rumors. Not where Kraftwerk are concerned. ;-) > If anyone does know for a fact that they did either perform together (even > if it was just sharing the same concert with each performing their own > works), I would be most grateful to know the details of the concert and > would especially like to obtain either audio recordings, photographs, > and/or videorecordings of such an event. Why not ask for the tour poster and T-shirt as well? :-D Sorry Howard, I'm just teasing, but this does sound to me like common reactions to the other rumours. It would be fascinating if it were true, but no-one has yet come forward having claimed they were at such a concert (or even that they know someone who did!). I guess it's conceivable that a very early Kraftwerk (before their pop days - remember Stockhausen's hatred of the martial beat of popular music!) performed at the same festival. But I doubt it. As for the rumour that they performed each others works, well, that just strikes me as preposterous, to be blunt! Kraftwerk would lack the man(machine)power to perform most of Stockhausen's works (wouldn't they?) and why would an established composer who had been doing live electronics in the 60s want to perform the work of an experimental rock duo in the early 70s? > Thanks for the help. I hope the above is of help. I still think the rumour is incredible, but such discussions can still be rewarding. Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk/Stockhausen together? Date: 30 Jan 2001 14:31:37 +0100 On pg 18 of "Man Machine and Music", Stockhausen is mentioned as an influence, and it's described how they (Hutter and Schneider) went to a Stockhausen concert. If any direct cooperation/performance has ever taken place I'm sure it would have been mentioned somewhere. Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Expo 2000 at AudioPhilez Date: 31 Jan 2001 16:29:56 +0100 To whom it may interest: MP3's of both 'Expo 2000' and 'Expo 2000 jingle' are available at AudioPhilez http://www.audiophilez.com DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) "ultravox!" cover-artwork "influences" on kw's later "image" !? *G+* ;-) Date: 01 Feb 2001 02:57:06 +0100 hi kwf's ! jus' a question out of pure curiosity : has anyone of u ever spotted , that the cover-artwork of the first , self-titled album of "ultravox!" has a lot of similarities to the later "image" of kw & their "man-machine" album ??? *jus'_curious* ;-) actually "ultravox!" has been released even before kw's "t.e.e." album in early 1977 !!! *smart_grin* ;-) jus' take a look at the red neon-sign "ultravox!" on the front-cover & the red neon-sign names ( "ralf" , "florian" , etc. ;-) of kw !!! *sly_grin* ;-) coincidence ... or maybe convergence ??? ;-) however ... many greetinx from an ol' "ultravox!" fan called oh jay - "the foolish dreamer" ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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