From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) FAQ update Date: 01 Nov 2001 12:41:40 +0000 I have updated the Kraftwerk FAQ for the first time since August. The main additions are to the list of Kraftwerk's equipment, which is now very long! Thanks in particular to Stephen/Wavecomputer360 and to Dirk Matten. You know the URL. ;-) Kevin -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) FAQ update Date: 01 Nov 2001 14:11:52 +0000 "King" Kevin wrote: You know the URL. ;-) not everyone.... Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk equipment?! Date: 01 Nov 2001 14:18:29 +0000 Is this really the site Kartwerk refer to? http://www.quasimidi.com/ Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) FAQ update Date: 01 Nov 2001 14:31:18 +0000 Robert wrote: > > You know the URL. ;-) > >not everyone.... > Excuse me while I smash my skull repeatedly against the wall. >Thud< >Thud< >Thud< No, it's no good. I still suffer from the delusion that the URL is attached to the end of every email sent via this list. Let me try your skull instead. >Thud< >Thud< >Thud< No, still no change! ;-) HRH -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) FAQ Date: 01 Nov 2001 14:38:53 +0000 Hi kwf's Thought I might explain myself a little bit more, before people misunderstand me (a not uncommon occurance) There are some people NEW to Kraftwerk. That's right, not everyone owns every entire Kraftwerk release and can sing "Dentaku" backwards. They might have just joined this mailing list, and therefore should be given a bit more leeway, i.e. it should be explained how they can go to the FAQ.. Not just saying "you know where it is" (even if it is at the bottom of every message) My anger subsides Rob (veteran of this list of several months) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk equipment?! Date: 01 Nov 2001 15:44:38 +0100 Robert Evans wrote: > > Is this really the site Kartwerk refer to? > > http://www.quasimidi.com/ haha! :-) They are chatroom dummies, longing for a data date! Rick Jansen __ rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Der_Doppelg=E4nger?= Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk equipment?! ... and FAQing questions! ;) Date: 01 Nov 2001 15:51:31 +0100 > Is this really the site Kartwerk refer to? > > http://www.quasimidi.com/ > > Rob. >> # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ! << hey kev, what do you expect of a guy, who called kw "KARTwerk", eh? ;) - der (einzig wahre) doppelgänger :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Ouch!!! Date: 01 Nov 2001 15:01:19 +0000 "Geekmail" wrote: hey kev, what do you expect of a guy, who called kw "KARTwerk", eh? ;) K-R-A-F-T-W-E-R-K ok ;))))))) rOB. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk equipment?! Date: 01 Nov 2001 15:10:53 +0000 Robert Evans wrote: >Is this really the site Kartwerk refer to? > >http://www.quasimidi.com/ Eurgh! Well spotted sir! It WAS the site for Quasimidi - but somehow some porno merchants seem to have acquired the name. I doubt very much if "teen sluts" was ever on Kraftywork's equipment list (I wouldn't know about the guest list). Kevin -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) wholesome family fun Date: 01 Nov 2001 15:29:33 +0000 >"Geekmail" wrote: > > > hey kev, what do you expect of a guy, who called kw "KARTwerk", eh? ;) > I thought it was a joke. *I* was certainly joking... Anyway, I have removed the link to the naughty naked ladies site. I hope this is a step in the right direction, although "spot the rude bits" would probably make the FAQ more interesting. I guess the loss of the quasimidi.com URL means that Quasimidi are no longer in business? Or maybe they just have an unusual approach to sales these days... Kevin King of Darkness (or is that Dorkness?) PS And yes, kids, "FAQ" sounds like a rude word. PPS Since the existing URL for the FAQ is so hard to remember (no sarcasm this time!) I have set up an alias to it. Just remember http://www.kraftwerkFAQ.com (I was going to announce that later, as part of a bigger reorganisation, but think of it as an early Christmas present). -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) FAQ Me!! My humourless persona (part 42) Date: 01 Nov 2001 15:49:13 +0000 Kraftwerkers, My stout determination to supress emotion has been destroyed by Kevin's hilarious last posting. I listen too much to Kraftwerk , I tell you. And if you think I disapprove of the quasimidi.com website, you are seriously mistaken. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "richard marston" Subject: (kw) Showroom Dummies CD single? Date: 01 Nov 2001 18:35:19 +0000 Saw this advertised today: KRAFTWERK Trans-Europe Express (US 4-track CD EP including LP Version, Single Version, Les Mannequins & Showroom Dummies, picture sleeve) £19.99 Could it be an error? I thought only Tour de France was the only track of analogue vintage to have been resurrected on CD...


"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, but teach him to use the Net and he won't bother you for weeks." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greyseason@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Showroom Dummies CD single? Date: 01 Nov 2001 13:59:53 EST It's no error. I have a copy. It was released in 1990 as part of Capitol=20 Records' "Classic Capitol Dance Tracks" series. One other release in the=20 series was George Clinton's "Atomic Dog". Sam marstonrichard@hotmail.com writes: << KRAFTWERK Trans-Europe Express (US 4-track CD EP including LP Version, Single Version, Les Mannequins & Showroom Dummies, picture sleeve) =A319.99 =20 Could it be an error? I thought only Tour de France was the only track of=20 analogue vintage to have been resurrected on CD... >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) Showroom Dummies CD single? Date: 01 Nov 2001 19:39:01 +0100 richard marston wrote: >=20 > Saw this advertised today: >=20 > KRAFTWERK Trans-Europe Express (US 4-track CD EP including > LP Version, Single Version, Les Mannequins & Showroom > Dummies, picture sleeve) > =A319.99 >=20 > Could it be an error?=20 No error. The Showroom Dummies on that CD is a different mix, different from the LP. It's the same mix as the 12" single with the B&W cover pics of the guys in suits, hats and gloves (you can never have enough of those) on a railway station. Rick Jansen --=20 Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) Sala badly shaved on TV Date: 01 Nov 2001 22:29:10 +0100 Maybe it's a bit late, but: Nov 2, 2.00 - 2.30 and 10.30 - 11.00 MEZ, MDR TV's arts journal ARTour shows a short report on Oskar Sala. VPS 021101 0200 and 021101 1030 Jan ^^^v^^^ ===== Freedom is a scary thing. Not many people really want it. Laurie Anderson ===== # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Claycomb" Subject: RE: (kw) wholesome family fun Date: 01 Nov 2001 19:05:12 -0500 FYI..... Quasimidi (The ones who made the German synthesizers) has been out of business for all most a year or so..... Thus... the site no longer is exists. :( ------------Please cut along the dotted line------------- Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac UniQue Werkx >>---------------------><-------------------------<< # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C163EC.BB80D9E0-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Der_Doppelg=E4nger?= Subject: (kw) ot: richard d. james talks about his new masterpiece! ;) Date: 03 Nov 2001 13:32:08 +0100 here's a *faked* chat transcript from an irc room: http://www.spaz.com/teg/102301/chatlog.html ! ;) enjoy the hilarious conversation! ;) - der doppelgänger :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angus Durrie" Subject: Re: (kw) Showroom Dummies CD single? Date: 03 Nov 2001 11:07:23 -0700 "richard marston" wrote: Could it be an error? I thought only Tour de France was the only track of analogue vintage to have been resurrected on CD... Well, seeing as that "The robots" was also republished on CD i would have to say that its obviosly(sp?) not the only one.. Angus _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angus Durrie" Subject: (kw) quasimidi Date: 03 Nov 2001 11:11:00 -0700 http://www.synthzone.com/quasi.htm Tghere is alot of usefull stuff here about quasimidi Angus _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "main event" Subject: (kw) FTP problems Date: 03 Nov 2001 18:50:40 +0000 Hi, Whats happened to the FTP ftp.dante.eti.br/ ? I keep getting a 'connection refused' It was fine last week so is the server down? ' Anyone who swims with the current will reach the big music steamship; whoever swims against the current may perhaps reach the source' http://www.mp3.com/mainevent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Huggy Bear" Subject: Re: (kw) Showroom Dummies CD single? Date: 04 Nov 2001 10:35:19 -0500 > Saw this advertised today: > > KRAFTWERK Trans-Europe Express (US 4-track CD EP including > > Could it be an error? I thought only Tour de France was the only track of > analogue vintage to have been resurrected on CD... Everytime I try to reply to a message it always get rejected, so maybe this one won't make it back either... I have a CD called "Showroom Dummies", it was released in 1992 by Cema / Cleopatra / Capitol, and it has the following five tracks: The Robots (extended version) 6:11 The Robots (single version) 3:42 Show Room Dummies (single version) 6:00 Les Mannequins (single version) 6:02 Spacelab (bonus track) 5:56 It goes on to say that tracks 2-4 are taken from the Cleopatra CD "The Model" For what it's worth... Umarmungsbär Warren (Detroit), Michigan, USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Showroom Dummies CD single? Date: 04 Nov 2001 18:56:06 +0100 On Sun, 4 Nov 2001 10:35:19 -0500, Huggy Bear wrote: >Show Room Dummies (single version) 6:00 >Les Mannequins (single version) 6:02 quite long for 'single versions' , I don't think the versions on the original 45 RPM's are so long. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dante de Conti Neto Subject: Re: (kw) FTP problems Date: 04 Nov 2001 18:00:20 -0200 Sorry guys I had problems with my small server, but, now already this functioning perfectly Dante. > Whats happened to the FTP ftp.dante.eti.br/ ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angus Durrie" Subject: (kw) TDF instrumental? Date: 04 Nov 2001 13:52:33 -0700 I heard something about an instrumental version of TDF, does this exist and if it does where can i download a copy of it? Cheers, Angus _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: Re: (kw) FTP problems Date: 05 Nov 2001 03:11:48 +0100 (CET) Hey Dante Out of curiosity: What line & PC are you runng the server on? I'll be getting a line & PC upgrade in the near future, and wouldn't mind hosting a mirror, if possible, or just my own FTP server (I'm involved in all sorts of different game projects, where we often lack a server to keep things on) Kaspar DL ______________________________________________________ Britney Spears på Yahoo! Konkurrencer, biografi, diskografi samt den nye, flotte video. Se det hele på: www.yahoo.dk/r/brit # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Dean" Subject: (kw) cd trade Date: 05 Nov 2001 07:39:27 +0000 Hi, this is Matt from South Africa! I used to live in The Netherlands, and I had a PC with CD copier. I copied lots of CDs and did many various CD trades throughout the world. Now, I copied a lot of CDs for my then fiancee in South Africa, but now I have emigrated to South Africa myself and we got married, so we don't need the copies anymore; I took all my originals with me. I don't have a PC or copier here in Africa, and it will take a while until I can afford one (remember, I can't just go wild and buy one because there's also a wife to consider!). However, I want to trade with these CDs that I have copies of. If you would like any of CDs from the list then please e-mail me on mattwerk@hotmail.com and let me know. Because all of the below mentioned have already been copied, it is just a question of popping them into a padded envelope (without jewel cases - it saves lots on weight and they get damaged in the mail anyway). THE CDs I HAVE TO OFFER Kraftwerk: *1973-2000 (an own collection of tracks, singles - tracklisting on request) Kraftwerk + Rueckstoss Gondoliere and Stratovarius & Ruckzuck live Kraftwerk 2 + Klingklang Live Ralf und Florian + Kohoutek 1&2 and Tanzmusik Live Autobahn (with cover taken from original LP) + KM2 7", KM live 1975, Autobahn live 1981 Exceller 8 Radioactivity + RA/Antenna 7", live tracks - 3 from 1981 and 2 from 1997 TEE (English) + Showroom Dummies 7", Hall of Mirrors - Les Mannequins - TEE live TEE (German) + TEE German 7", Les Mannequins, Schaufensterpuppen 1974 and TEE 1997 Computerwelt + PC (Eng), Numbers 7", Dentaku, HC (English), Mini Calculateur, CW rare 12" The Mix (German) + Robotnik and E2K The Mix (English) + Robotronik and E2K *Die Digitale Diktatur Programiert (remixes) Various *A-Ha - Hunting High and Low + other 80s tracks **Bell - Numbers (ORIGINAL) Can - Tago Mago Depeche Mode - Speak And Spell + Bonus tracks Depeche Mode - Construction Time Again Depeche Mode - A Broken Frame Depeche Mode - The Singles 81 - 85 Depeche Mode - Black Celebration Depeche Mode - Violator Depeche Mode - Songs of Faith and Devotion Depeche Mode - Ultra *Duran Duran - Decade + extra track + extra Spandau Ballet tracks Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Welcom To The Pleasuredome *Jean Michel Jarre - (my own) Best Of + extra Heaven 17 tracks Jean Michel Jarre - Magnetic Fields and Chronologie Jean Michel Jarre - Concerts in China Jean Michel Jarre - Images, Best Of Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene 7-13 and Rendez Vous 1998 single Jean Michel Jarre - Rarities (Deserted Palace, Les Granges Brulees, singles 1969 - 1975) (2 copies, 1 with cover) *Madness - Divine Madness Neu! - Neu 2 Pet Shop Boys - Discography Police - Greatest Hits * = no cover - only tracklisting and CD ** = original version, not a copy (I have 2 coies of JM Jarre's Rarities, only 1 with cover but I can probably provide a JPEG of the cover) WHAT I WOULD LIKE IN RETURN Yamo - Time Pie (sorry Wolfgang but I just CAN'T find it in Africa, unless you want to send me a copy?) Jamiroquai - any concerts or rarities bootlegs Jean Michel Jarre - Rarities 2 and 3 (and an explanation where the songs come from) Kraftwerk - Trancewerk Express (whatever's the best volumes) Kraftwerk - a good quality concert, preferably 1970s or with something rare like for example Polish/Italian Pocket Calculator (not 1981, not ZKM 1997). Maybe Utrecht 1981 if it's good quality? Kraftwerk - Man Machine 7" B-side, TDF 2e Etappe, Metropolis Alternative 12" B-side, Techno Pop Espanyol, Showroom Dummies 12" mix Beatles - all albums before Rubber Soul, any special bootlegs, Revolution 9 backwards Depeche Mode - Some Great Reward Otherwise, just tell me what you can copy for me as I would also like different, new music too! Thank you all Matthew http://www.mattwerk.com ps. I'd provide names of people I have traded with in the past, but I don't know if they would appreciate it, so maybe rather ask me by e-mail and I can give you some? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tadream" Subject: (kw) fluer page Date: 05 Nov 2001 10:32:08 +0100 hi what is fluer's homepage address? cheers home page: http://www.itramp.com.pl/tadream e-mail: tadream@go2.pl icq: 35224126 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) TDF instrumental? Date: 05 Nov 2001 10:56:12 +0000 Angus wrote: >I heard something about an instrumental version of TDF, does this exist and >if it does where can i download a copy of it? Yes, there is one, I don't know about downloads but I think you can still get it on vinyl (B-side) at eil.com. http://www.eil.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) not at eil.com Date: 05 Nov 2001 11:05:15 +0000 Well, the Instrumental of Tour de France is no longer at eil.com, but it does exist. I haven't heard it, but I assume it's the normal track, with the words taken out, using some sort of equipment. Rather like in fact, "Expo 2000 (Kling Klang Mix 2001)", where the beats are removed form the orginal version of Expo 2000. Rob. P.S. Undoubtedly some wise guy will tell me the type and spec of the equipment, and come up with a few amusing jokes as well.... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Dean" Subject: (kw) Early Works?! Date: 05 Nov 2001 11:53:48 +0000 Hi, I found the bootleg 'Early Works' on a website from Japan. Can somebody explain what the hell it's all about??? If it's special then I'd love to add that to my 'wants' list, as you know I posted a long message to do some CD trade... Thanks for the info! This is what it said on the site: Klangkorper Welten im Orbit Harmonie und Einheit Glucksgefuhle Morgenspaziergang Meteoritenstaub Metropolis Umspannwerk Note : 1-4 taken from "Ralf and Florian" 5,6 Live at "L'Olympia" paris 1976 7 Live in Koeln 1975 8 Live on German TV 1971 Matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) Early Works?! Date: 05 Nov 2001 13:32:32 +0100 You could do a bit of research in the discography and the FAQ, t his will tell you that '7 live in Koeln' cannot be, as Metropolis was released in 1978. The other items sound like rubbish, apart from Morgenspaziergang. The Japanese are notorious for misinterpreting song titles and lyrics, which could explain the quite funny track list. Rick Jansen -- Elegance and thick curtains Matthew Dean wrote: > > Hi, I found the bootleg 'Early Works' on a website from Japan. Can > somebody explain what the hell it's all about??? If it's special then > I'd love to add that to my 'wants' list, as you know I posted a long > message to do some CD trade... Thanks for the info! > > This is what it said on the site: > > Klangkorper > Welten im Orbit > Harmonie und Einheit > Glucksgefuhle > Morgenspaziergang > Meteoritenstaub > Metropolis > Umspannwerk > > Note : 1-4 taken from "Ralf and Florian" > 5,6 Live at "L'Olympia" paris 1976 > 7 Live in Koeln 1975 > 8 Live on German TV 1971 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Didi Subject: (kw) Poem for vocoder Date: 05 Nov 2001 14:25:45 +0100 Ciao! I recently lost my mp3 of Schneider's Poem for vocoder. Could anybody please tell me where I could find it again on the internet? Thanks in advance, Didi di.di@tiscali.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Der_Doppelg=E4nger?= Subject: Re: (kw) Early Works?! Date: 05 Nov 2001 14:26:13 +0100 > This is what it said on the site: > > Klangkorper > Welten im Orbit > Harmonie und Einheit > Glucksgefuhle > Morgenspaziergang > Meteoritenstaub > Metropolis > Umspannwerk > > Note : 1-4 taken from "Ralf and Florian" huh? :o i've got the original vinyl of "ralf & florian", but *none* of these tracks are on it! :\ > 5,6 Live at "L'Olympia" paris 1976 possible, it's maybe "morgenspaziergang" and a version of "kometenmelodie"!? > 7 Live in Koeln 1975 i highly doubt that "metropolis" was played live *anywhere* in 1975! :o > 8 Live on German TV 1971 possible, it's maybe "rückstoß gondoliere" from the beat-club performance in bremen ... without ralf!? anyway, it just looks like another "outburn" misprinting from some japanese jerks! :\ so i surely *won't* recommend to buy it to find it out! ;) - der doppelgänger # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Poem for vocoder Date: 05 Nov 2001 14:05:08 +0000 Didi wrote: >Ciao! >I recently lost my mp3 of Schneider's Poem for vocoder. >Could anybody please tell me where I could find it again on the internet? I just did search and found it at: http://www.mfg.gu.se/~mair/lager/kw.html Somewhere on the Web was someone's rather good "remix" of this demo (i.e. a backing track was added!) but I think that has disappeared. I also just found a short item by Dieter Doepfer about his company's work with Kraftwerk: http://www.analogue.org/network/dkraft.htm tadream wrote: >hi >what is fluer's homepage address? See my list of official sites (via the FAQ URL below) - but there's not much at Herr Fluer's site. Kevin -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oystein Moe" Date: 05 Nov 2001 14:24:51 >KRAFTWERK Trans-Europe Express (US 4-track CD EP including >LP Version, Single Version, Les Mannequins & Showroom >Dummies, picture sleeve) >£19.99 > >Could it be an error? I thought he meant the price... As for the "different mix", those of you with a real vinyl deck, say a SL1210 or any other with a pitch control, won't need this CD, as the master is simply sped up a tiny bit (making the track ten seconds shorter or so). This was their first CD single, isnt it? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: RE: (kw) fluer page Date: 05 Nov 2001 09:27:47 -0700 > hi > what is fluer's homepage address? > cheers > [EC] fluer.org it hasn't been updated for a while now. not much info as you might expect. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) (OT) Moaner Date: 03 Nov 2001 12:39:18 +0100 Jeff Young wrote: > Why don't you say something instead of just passing > all this crap on like some automated Kraftwerk news > service? > We don't need to be told about every last > little thing you find somewhere that mentions or in > any way resembles Kraftwerk. > Also, try sending one > mail instead of 3 or more at a time, eh? In response to Jeff's bad-mannered inquiry: I just want to know if someone else (from this very maillist) is upset about this matter so I beg you to let me know, please. If so, I'll stop sending more message to this list about every further news or some Kraftwerk related thing I find on the net or the press or hear on the radio. I've only posted those things because I thought it might be of interest to you, I thought you could find this information helpful. If I have been causing more inconvenience than something else I really apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you. On the other hand it is possible Jeff's just trying to be awkward. May I thank you for your courteous attention. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Der_Doppelg=E4nger?= Subject: Re: (kw) fluer page Date: 05 Nov 2001 18:19:35 +0100 > [EC] > > fluer.org > it hasn't been updated for a while now. not much info as you might > expect. i'm sorry, but there's neither a http://fluer.org nor a http://www.fluer.org! :\ by the way, if you try http://www.fluer.de , you'll get to a "joachim flür - rechtsanwalt" ( lawyer ;-) page! ;) the only "real" addy, connected to wolfgang fluer that i have is http://www.yamo.org ! ;) - der doppelgänger :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) Flür page Date: 05 Nov 2001 09:28:23 -0800 (PST) Der_Doppelgänger wrote: > i'm sorry, but there's neither a http://fluer.org > nor a > http://www.fluer.org! :\ > by the way, if you try http://www.fluer.de , you'll > get to a "joachim flür - > rechtsanwalt" ( lawyer ;-) page! ;) Just what Wolfgang needs in his life...more lawyers! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Der_Doppelg=E4nger?= Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Moaner Date: 05 Nov 2001 18:46:26 +0100 who the heck is jeff young, eh? :o however, go on posting with whatever *you* think is appropriate for this list, "DER AUTOMAT"! ;) that's what most of us do, anyway! ;) - der doppelgänger :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Moaner Date: 05 Nov 2001 18:28:08 +0000 Der Automat is one of the most helpful members of the list. On many occasions, he has been the first to answer my queries with useful links. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nat Heidler Subject: (kw) Der Automat Date: 05 Nov 2001 12:34:12 -0600 Der Automat has been a god of this list, in my opinion, for many years. Cheers that we have someone who posts so much and has such a wealth of KW knowledge. My 2 cents Nat Somewhere in Kansas, USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Moaner Date: 05 Nov 2001 11:43:45 -0700 Jeff Young wrote: > [...] We don't need to be told about every last > little thing you find somewhere that mentions or in > any way resembles Kraftwerk [...] "We" sounds like a multitude. I don't recall giving u my opinion. Jeff, if you don't agree, just hit the delete button, that's all. Der automat, wrote: >> I just want to know if someone else (from this very maillist) >> is upset about this matter so I beg you to let me know [...] No complaints here. I happen to find quite a few of your postings very useful. E p.s. to the stateside members: How about them D-Backs? Give it up for the new world champions of baseball! Decided on the 9th inning of the 7th game against the NY Yankees! Couldn't ask for anything better than that! Life's SWEET.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Download Date: 05 Nov 2001 21:39:06 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C16642.4BDAF500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.swcp.com/blakeh/kwerk.htm "Electric Cafe (Mixx-It Mix)" It's courtesy of the legendary Blake's Synthpop Page. 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"Electric Cafe (Mixx-It Mix)"
 
It's courtesy of the legendary Blake's Synthpop=20 Page.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C16642.4BDAF500-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Moaner Date: 05 Nov 2001 11:38:02 -0800 (PST) > Der Automat is one of the most helpful members of > the list. On many > occasions, he has been the first to answer my > queries with useful links. > > Rob. You find it helpful having your private e-mails posted to the list? You find it helpful to know that some store in Barcelona is selling some Kraftwerk single? You find it helpful to know that "The Model" has been included on Super Mega Hits of the 70's & 80's or whatever it is??? I think we all have "The Model" on 2 or more releases already and I can't imagine who would possibly care. You find it helpful receiving 10 e-mails from the same person in a day? You know it's happened. If so, so be it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale Emery Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Moaner Date: 05 Nov 2001 12:56:22 -0700 Keep them coming, don't worry about little snivels like that. What else should we have on this list, arguments about terrorists? Oh, yeah, we had that. Bix ------------------------ Der Automat wrote: > In response to Jeff's bad-mannered inquiry: > I just want to know if someone else (from this very maillist) is upset about > this matter so I beg you to let me know, please. If so, I'll stop sending > more > message to this list about every further news or some Kraftwerk related > thing I find on the net or the press or hear on the radio. > I've only posted those things because I thought it might be # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Moaner Date: 05 Nov 2001 12:05:51 -0800 (PST) --- Dale Emery wrote: > > Keep them coming, don't worry about little snivels > like that. What else should > we have on this list, arguments about terrorists? > Oh, yeah, we had that. > > Bix Yes, do keep telling us that some electronics magzine in Andorra says that someone we never heard about used something in a song somewhere that sounds like it might be a Vocoder. What should we talk about? Kraftwerk if there's anything relevant, nothing if there's not. We get enough e-mails. Starting to remember why I've quit this list 2x before. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Moaner Date: 05 Nov 2001 20:32:18 +0000 Hi kwf's Nice old Jeff provided some more comments: >You find it helpful having your private e-mails posted >to the list? I think rudeness should be exposed. >You find it helpful to know that some store in >Barcelona is selling some Kraftwerk single? Yes, especially if it is a new one. >You find it helpful to know that "The Model" has been >included on Super Mega Hits of the 70's & 80's or >whatever it is??? I think we all have "The Model" on >2 or more releases already and I can't imagine who >would possibly care. Some people like to collect CD's with Kraftwerk music on. >You find it helpful receiving 10 e-mails from the same >person in a day? You know it's happened. I never did. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Moaner Date: 05 Nov 2001 13:28:56 -0800 (PST) > >You find it helpful having your private e-mails > posted > >to the list? > > I think rudeness should be exposed. And I think people should adhere to the guidelines of the list as outlined in the FAQ. If I post something that's been talked to death (Stockhausen, Wolfgang Flür's legal difficulties with R & F, etc.), some smart-ass is going to post "read the FAQ." When I point out that your beloved Automat has violated the terms outlined in the same FAQ, I'm being difficult and I've got this Doppelgänger guy asking me offlist who I am, the keeper of the rules or something? It's a free world, yes, in most places anyway, but if you sign up for something like an e-mail list, you could at least abide by its terms. jmy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) Smart asses Date: 05 Nov 2001 21:56:13 +0000 Hi kwf's Jeff wrote: >If I post something >that's been talked to death (Stockhausen, Wolfgang >Flür's legal difficulties with R & F, etc.), some >smart-ass is going to post "read the FAQ." That is where I have to agree with you. Some like to sit back, never post things to the list, and correct people to boost their ego. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Moaner Date: 05 Nov 2001 15:11:20 -0700 (MST) On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Der Automat wrote: > > We don't need to be told about every last > > little thing you find somewhere that mentions or in > > any way resembles Kraftwerk. What gave you that idea? I do. > I just want to know if someone else (from this very maillist) is upset about > this matter so I beg you to let me know, please. If so, I'll stop sending I don't mind at all since I collect KW references. Actually I appreciate the news. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Moaner Date: 06 Nov 2001 01:37:14 +0100 Your (not especially from one person) childish flame wars suck. Every Kraftwerk-related mails are welcome on this list here and in future, except these. Goodnite, Georgie -- * http//members.blackbox.net/georgie/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk mentions in the news Date: 05 Nov 2001 17:33:25 -0800 (PST) Here, bookmark it, it will replace all of Automat's postings: > http://www.newstrove.com/cgi-bin/search.pl?search=Kraftwerk I don't appreciate being criticized onlist because of something that I e-mailed to someone privately and they chose to post without my consent. If he didn't like it, he could delete my comments, but I'm allowed to make them. He doesn't make comments here, he just makes a million quick comments without ever saying "this is good," "this is bad," etc. It's just, Here's something that might have to do with Kraftwerk," etc. and I'd appreciate some sort of feedback from the list owner(s) whom I've e-mailed. Yes, go D-Backs, down with the Yankees.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Stagg" Subject: (kw) Expo 2000 on Astralwerks in the US Date: 06 Nov 2001 02:40:59 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1666C.77FAA2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's some stuff about the US release of Expo 2000 at the Astralwerks = site: http://www.astralwerks.com/kraftwerk/default.html Staggboy ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1666C.77FAA2A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There's some stuff about the US release = of Expo=20 2000 at the Astralwerks site:
 
http://www.ast= ralwerks.com/kraftwerk/default.html
 
Staggboy
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1666C.77FAA2A0-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AndrewNelles1@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Expo 2000 on Astralwerks in the US Date: 05 Nov 2001 22:20:42 EST well i guess we can count this as a new album because it is full length. Just if they would release the new versions of numbers, computerworld, the model, the man-machine, airwaves, tour de france. As well as the Luton song and the ZKM song . That would make a complete album. I would be happy with it also. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dirk Jan Mueller" Subject: (kw) New LP's Date: 06 Nov 2001 08:19:36 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1669B.C56CA400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I bought 3 new Live-LP's here in Germany. Somewhere in Europe (Live Paris '75 & Utrecht'81) Ruckzuck (K=F6ln'71 & Beatclub'71) Kometenmelodie 3 (K=F6ln'75) They are not hard to get and they were cheap. Quality is ok. Kometenmelodie 3 is better than "Super Golden Radio = Shows"-CD, I think ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1669B.C56CA400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I bought 3 new Live-LP's here in=20 Germany.
 
Somewhere in Europe (Live Paris '75 = &=20 Utrecht'81)
Ruckzuck (K=F6ln'71 & = Beatclub'71)
Kometenmelodie 3 = (K=F6ln'75)
 
They are not hard to get and they were=20 cheap.
Quality is ok. Kometenmelodie 3 is = better than=20 "Super Golden Radio Shows"-CD, I think
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1669B.C56CA400-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tadream" Subject: (kw) fluer's page Date: 06 Nov 2001 08:40:01 +0100 thanks to all for coming forward with help home page: http://www.itramp.com.pl/tadream e-mail: tadream@go2.pl icq: 35224126 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markus.berzborn@t-online.de (Markus Berzborn) Subject: Re: (kw) New LP's Date: 06 Nov 2001 09:26:47 +0100 > I bought 3 new Live-LP's here in Germany. > > Somewhere in Europe (Live Paris '75 & Utrecht'81) > Ruckzuck (Köln'71 & Beatclub'71) > Kometenmelodie 3 (Köln'75) I already wondered why nobody on the list has mentioned them yet, although they are only reissues of bootleg LPs available in the past. In terms of repertoire and sound quality these are the best Kraftwerk live recordings I've heard so far. The Autobahn version on "Kometenmelodie 3", for instance, is much better than the one on "Concert Classics". Same goes for the Kometenmelodie track itself. Maybe it was not such a good decision of Florian Schneider to give up his electronic flute, which adds a lot to the magic of these recordings. And note the impressive version of "Metropolis" played in Utrecht. I was at the Cologne concert of the 1981 tour. Why the hell didn't they play it there? > They are not hard to get and they were cheap. Unfortunately, I overpaid for the Kometenmelodie 3 on eBay because I thought it was the original bootleg. For the other ones, I payed reasonable prices, though. > Quality is ok. Kometenmelodie 3 is better than "Super Golden Radio Shows"-CD, > I think > So do I. Seems to me that the Kometenmelodie 3 is a 1:1 reissue of the former bootleg LP and not based on the CD. The announcements before "Autobahn" are not on the CD. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Metropolis/Electronic flute (was Re: (kw) New LP's) Date: 06 Nov 2001 09:46:03 +0100 Markus Berzborn wrote: > > Maybe it was not such a good decision of Florian Schneider to give up > his electronic flute, which adds a lot to the magic of these recordings. Has anyone seen him use it live? What tracks was it used on? And for what? I was at the '81 concert in Utrecht, but it wasn't used there at all. My suspicion is that the lead flute in a track like Spacelab was played with it, but that is pure speculation. > And note the impressive version of "Metropolis" played in Utrecht. I was at the > Cologne concert of the 1981 tour. Why the hell didn't they play it there? That was the most impressive live track I ever heard, recorded it on a cassette from the radio, where parts of the concert were broadcast later. The word was sung by Huetter using something in his mouth, like a mouth tube microphone or one of those little boxes with a tube for use with a guitar. Rick Jansen __ rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markus.berzborn@t-online.de (Markus Berzborn) Subject: Re: Metropolis/Electronic flute (was Re: (kw) New LP's) Date: 06 Nov 2001 09:56:24 +0100 Rick Jansen schrieb: > > Markus Berzborn wrote: > > > > Maybe it was not such a good decision of Florian Schneider to give up > > his electronic flute, which adds a lot to the magic of these recordings. > > Has anyone seen him use it live? What tracks was it used on? And for what? > I was at the '81 concert in Utrecht, but it wasn't used there at all. > My suspicion is that the lead flute in a track like Spacelab was played with > it, but that is pure speculation. I'm talking about the 1975 concerts here. The flute is prominent on "Autobahn" and "Kometenmelodie". In 1981, it wasn't an integral part of the live performance any more. This is what I wanted to point out: the difference between the Autobahn versions on "Kometenmelodie 3" (1975, with flute) and "Concert Classics (1975 or 76?, without flute) is quite obvious. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Serjeant" Subject: (kw) Model remix Date: 06 Nov 2001 09:39:28 +0000 Hi I was in HMV on Oxford Street, London, on Sunday, when they played a pretty run-of-the-mill remix of The Model over the PA. Does anyone know who/what it's likely to be? The "DJ" didn't speak about it before or after and it strikes me that the only reason they'd play it in HMV is if they're trying to push something. Sorry if this is old news but my attentions have been elsewhere recently. Dave _ . - : * ' ` ` ' * : - . _ . - : * ' ` ` ' * : - . _ gratuitous advertising: http://www.geocities.com/burnellbnb _ . - : * ' ` ` ' * : - . _ . - : * ' ` ` ' * : - . _ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk mentions in the news Date: 06 Nov 2001 10:05:06 +0000 > I'd appreciate some sort of feedback from the list >owner(s) whom I've e-mailed. I need to update the FAQ to reflect the practice of this list rather than the theory! You won't get a reply from the list owner, for a start. Ever. And people here will post whatever they want to, and do whatever they want to. So the only way the list can continue to work is for us all to be as tolerant as we can of each other's funny little ways. Just MHO... Kevin -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markus.berzborn@t-online.de (Markus Berzborn) Subject: Re: Metropolis/Electronic flute (was Re: (kw) New LP's) Date: 06 Nov 2001 11:54:49 +0100 > Ah, but on Autobahn an ACTUAL acoustical flute was used, recorded with a > contact microphone. You can see pictures of that on the Ralf&Florian album. > Is this what you mean? Actually, Autobahn is quite an acoustical recording, > the flute IS a flute, the pom-pompom pom-pompom is a guitar even, the last > 5 minutes Huetter plays a mouth organ. OK, I'm talking about the acoustical flute, i.e. the instrument which is recognisable as "flute". I don't know where to draw the line, though. If you watch the video of Kraftwerk's 1971 Beat Club Performance ("Rückstossgondoliere") you will notice that Florian Schneider produces some sounds with his flute which do not sound "flute-like" at all. Maybe he is just triggering some circuits with the instrument, which would be in line with the "electronic flute" you think of. Apart from this, the flute sounds on "Ruckzuck" and "Tongebirge", for example, are so much processed (delays, filters, modulators?) that it's difficult to call them "acoustic" in the traditional sense. So let's just talk about Florian Schneider and his "flutes". Interesting topic, by the way. Maybe someone on the list has some more precise information? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: Metropolis/Electronic flute (was Re: (kw) New LP's) Date: 06 Nov 2001 12:09:30 +0100 Markus Berzborn wrote: > > Rick Jansen schrieb: > > > > Markus Berzborn wrote: > > > > > > Maybe it was not such a good decision of Florian Schneider to give up > > > his electronic flute, which adds a lot to the magic of these recordings. > > > > Has anyone seen him use it live? What tracks was it used on? And for what? > > I was at the '81 concert in Utrecht, but it wasn't used there at all. > > My suspicion is that the lead flute in a track like Spacelab was played with > > it, but that is pure speculation. > > I'm talking about the 1975 concerts here. The flute is prominent on "Autobahn" > and "Kometenmelodie". In 1981, it wasn't an integral part of the live > performance any more. This is what I wanted to point out: the difference between > the Autobahn versions on "Kometenmelodie 3" (1975, with flute) and "Concert > Classics (1975 or 76?, without flute) is quite obvious. Ah, but on Autobahn an ACTUAL acoustical flute was used, recorded with a contact microphone. You can see pictures of that on the Ralf&Florian album. Is this what you mean? Actually, Autobahn is quite an acoustical recording, the flute IS a flute, the pom-pompom pom-pompom is a guitar even, the last 5 minutes Huetter plays a mouth organ. The electronic flute I meant is the clear tube mounted on a standard with electric buttons. The first picture I know is in the Radioactivity period. Rick Jansen __ rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) 15th Filmfest Braunschweig Date: 06 Nov 2001 12:09:37 +0100 This year's 15th Filmfest Braunschweig (Nov 6 - 11) has a main topic entitled "OHM SWEET OHM - film and electronic music". To be shown: Movies with scores by Oskar Sala, Brian Eno, Laurie Anderson, Tangerine Dream (Johannes Schmoelling will be present) a. o. - last but not least the 13-minute-movie AUTOBAHN by Roger Mainwood (GB 1979). Info see (german language). Also available in english - please go back to main page Sounds VERY interesting!! Jan ^^^v^^^ ===== Freedom is a scary thing. Not many people really want it. Laurie Anderson ===== # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markus.berzborn@t-online.de (Markus Berzborn) Subject: RE: Metropolis/Electronic flute (was Re: (kw) New LP's) Date: 06 Nov 2001 12:19:17 +0100 Just received this interesting mail from John Shilcock and wanted to forward it to the group: Hello Markus... This is sooo frustrating for me... I can receive emails from the list at work but am unable to send them.. so I'm sending you this directly... The 'electronic' flute WAS played during the 1981 concerts... I know for %100 ... I WAS THERE *Yipppeeeeeeee*... best concerts they EVER did! Anyway.... at this precise moment (11:12am) I can't remember for sure which tracks the instrument was played in... but I THINK it was Autobahn... I'll contact my brother soon... as he had an eye for these things at that time... I remember Florian moving the flute to his side and then, without taking it from the stand, would finger the instrument to produce various sounds... I hope this helps the discussion Keep Werking John www.keepwerking.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: Metropolis/Electronic flute (was Re: (kw) New LP's) Date: 06 Nov 2001 12:31:32 +0100 Rick Jansen schrieb am 06.11.2001 9:46 Uhr MEZ: > Has anyone seen him use it live? What tracks was it used on? And for what? > I was at the '81 concert in Utrecht, but it wasn't used there at all. He used it live in Hamburg 1981. > My suspicion is that the lead flute in a track like Spacelab was played with > it, but that is pure speculation. I'm quite sure he never used it on any studio recordings. The electronic flute is simply a kind of remote keyboard and as such it's a nice stage effect but not a serious musical instrument. It's simply impractical. Jan ^^^v^^^ ===== Freedom is a scary thing. Not many people really want it. Laurie Anderson ===== # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) Expo 2000 on Astralwerks in the US Date: 06 Nov 2001 12:02:31 +0000 Hi Andrew wrote: >well i guess we can count this as a new album because it is full length. Well, they could easily add on Tour de France, plus the Kevorkian version, taking the total running time past the hour. It's pretty much the most we can expect, because they are so DARN LAZY!! Just like me, in fact... Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markus.berzborn@t-online.de (Markus Berzborn) Subject: RE: Metropolis/Electronic flute (was Re: (kw) New LP's) Date: 06 Nov 2001 13:41:52 +0100 John Shilcock wrote: Hello Again, I have now conversed with my brother (who was also at the 1981 Hammersmith Odeon concerts) and his first reaction was that it was played during Autobahn. During our discussion, memories were re-ignited and we remember a sort of solo/feature part for this instrument ... I had thought that this was during Autobahn... but my brother edges towards Ohm Sweet Ohm... I know that the "flute" was played in 2 tunes.. Again.. please feel free to pass this on... 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: RE: (kw) Expo 2000 on Astralwerks in the US Date: 06 Nov 2001 14:33:53 +0100 Just went in there and it seems they've put in some additional info since you=20= guys where there=2E=2E=2E 1=2E Expo 2000 - Radio Mix 2=2E Expo 2000 - Kling Klang Mix 2000 3=2E Expo 2000 - Kling Klang Mix 2002 4=2E Expo 2000 - Kling Klang Mix 2001 5=2E Expo 2000 - Orbital Mix 6=2E Expo 2000 - Francois K + Rob Rives Mix 7=2E Expo 2000 - DJ Rolando Mix 8=2E Expo 2000 - Underground Resistance Mix 9=2E Expo 2000 - UR Infiltrated Mix 10=2E Expo 2000 - UR Thought 3 Mix Thats a full album =2E=2E=2E:-) They also have some videolinks, doesn't work yet it seems=2E=2E=2E Regards/Johan ---------- Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2001 13:06 PM <> Hi Andrew wrote: >well i guess we can count this as a new album because it is full length=2E Well, they could easily add on Tour de France, plus the Kevorkian version,=20= taking the total running time past the hour=2E It's pretty much the most we can expect, because they are so DARN LAZY!! Just like me, in fact=2E=2E=2E Rob=2E _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer=2Emsn=2Ecom/intl=2Easp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom=2E # To post, email kraftwerk@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom; replies go to original sender=2E # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web=2Ebham=2Eac=2Euk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FA= Q/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: RE: (kw) Expo 2000 on Astralwerks in the US Date: 06 Nov 2001 14:42:35 +0100 Hey, I got the video to work now, it's a longer version of the good old e2000=20= video minimalistic changes of course=2E=2E=2E /Johan (link is: http://www=2Eastralwerks=2Ecom/kraftwerk/default=2Ehtml if you missed it) ---------- Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2001 14:39 PM <> Just went in there and it seems they've put in some additional info since you=20= guys where there=2E=2E=2E 1=2E Expo 2000 - Radio Mix 2=2E Expo 2000 - Kling Klang Mix 2000 3=2E Expo 2000 - Kling Klang Mix 2002 4=2E Expo 2000 - Kling Klang Mix 2001 5=2E Expo 2000 - Orbital Mix 6=2E Expo 2000 - Francois K + Rob Rives Mix 7=2E Expo 2000 - DJ Rolando Mix 8=2E Expo 2000 - Underground Resistance Mix 9=2E Expo 2000 - UR Infiltrated Mix 10=2E Expo 2000 - UR Thought 3 Mix Thats a full album =2E=2E=2E:-) They also have some videolinks, doesn't work yet it seems=2E=2E=2E Regards/Johan ---------- Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2001 13:06 PM <> Hi Andrew wrote: >well i guess we can count this as a new album because it is full length=2E Well, they could easily add on Tour de France, plus the Kevorkian version,=20= taking the total running time past the hour=2E It's pretty much the most we can expect, because they are so DARN LAZY!! 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tadream" Subject: (kw) zkm song line-up Date: 06 Nov 2001 14:49:06 +0100 please help me with the following: the song line-up of the ZKM bootleg at http://andercheran.aiind.upv.es/~sergio/trade/kwboot.htm contains two titles e.g. Nummweltverschmutzung and Lichthof because they're in german i can't determine whether the songs are from the original Kraftwerk CDs or these are the titles of two other new songs that i can't account for on this list. my list includes the following: 00 Opening-Nummern-Computerwelt.mp3 01 It's More Fun to Compute-Heimcomputer.mp3 02 Die Menschmaschine.mp3 03 Tour de France Live.mp3 04 Autobahn.mp3 05 Ätherwellen & New Song.mp3 06 Radioaktivität.mp3 07 TEE-Abzug-Metall auf Metall.mp3 08 Taschenrechner.mp3 09 Die Roboter.mp3 10 Musik non Stop Live in Karlsruhe.mp3 New Song II.mp3 Tribal.mp3 where do the last 2 songs fit on this list? thnx home page: http://www.itramp.com.pl/tadream e-mail: tadream@go2.pl icq: 35224126 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markus.berzborn@t-online.de (Markus Berzborn) Subject: RE: Metropolis/Electronic flute (was Re: (kw) New LP's) Date: 06 Nov 2001 14:57:54 +0100 John Shilcock wrote: Hello once more... I just remembered... go to http://www.keepwerking.co.uk/pic4.htm and you'll get quite a good pic of Florian performing with the 'flute' http://www.keepwerking.co.uk/pic7.htm is another with clear view of the instrument. Keep Werking John www.keepwerking.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Der_Doppelg=E4nger?= Subject: Re: (kw) zkm song line-up Date: 06 Nov 2001 16:14:47 +0100 "tribal" was the song that kw played first at the tribal gathering festival in the u.k. in may 1997 - therefore the name "tribal"! ;) "lichthof" and "nummweltverschmutzung" were the 2 songs that were first played at the zkm in karlsruhe / germany in oct. 1997 ... and if i recall it correctly, the latter was the "extension" of the new version or intro of "airwaves". - der doppelgänger :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Der_Doppelg=E4nger?= Subject: Re: (kw) zkm song line-up Date: 06 Nov 2001 16:26:29 +0100 oops! :o sorry, "lichthof" was first played at the lichthof in linz / austria, a few days before the zkm gig! ;) - der doppelgänger :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dirk Jan Mueller" Subject: Fw: (kw) zkm song line-up Date: 06 Nov 2001 16:43:35 +0100 > "tribal" was the song that kw played first at the tribal gathering festival > in the u.k. in may 1997 - therefore the name "tribal"! ;) > "lichthof" and "nummweltverschmutzung" were the 2 songs that were first > played at the zkm in karlsruhe / germany in oct. 1997 ... and if i recall it > correctly, the latter was the "extension" of the new version or intro of > "airwaves". No, "Nummweltverschmutzung" is "Tribal" Lichthof was the second new one, the extension of "Airwaves" is mostly called "Tango" (On ZKM-Boot called "ZKM-Song") # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Re: Astralwerks release Date: 06 Nov 2001 16:03:10 +0000 Does anyone have it? Just to nitpick, is the CD in a slimline case, or in a standard jewel one... I much prefer the German releases of Expo 2000 and Expo Remix because they come in proper CD cases...the ones you have for albums. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: Metropolis/Electronic flute (was Re: (kw) New LP's) Date: 06 Nov 2001 16:59:41 +0000 Markus Berzborn wrote: >If you >watch the video of Kraftwerk's 1971 Beat Club Performance >("R=FCckstossgondoliere") you will notice that Florian Schneider produces s= ome >sounds with his flute which do not sound "flute-like" at all. Maybe he is j= ust >triggering some circuits with the instrument, which would be in line with t= he >"electronic flute" you think of. IIRC, the electronic flute was really just a flute modified to include switch contacts, and did not respond to being blown. Rick Jansen wrote: > Actually, Autobahn is quite an acoustical recording, >the flute IS a flute, the pom-pompom pom-pompom is a guitar even, the last >5 minutes Huetter plays a mouth organ. Yes, this is true, yet every time there's a documentary or magazine article which mentions 'Autobahn' they seem to state that this was an "all electronic" album... in radio documentaries, they then follow this with a flute or guitar passage from the album, just to prove that they are deaf. ;-) Kevin -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Der_Doppelg=E4nger?= Subject: Re: (kw) zkm song line-up? Date: 06 Nov 2001 18:06:16 +0100 > No, "Nummweltverschmutzung" is "Tribal" huh? :o well, if "numm..." is indeed "tribal", why do some bootlegs have "tribal" (the first new song), "lichthof" (the second new song) and "nummweltverschmutzung" (as the third new song) on them? would somebody please explain this more coherently? > Lichthof was the second new one, yep, i agree here! ;) > the extension of "Airwaves" is mostly called "Tango" huh? :o i have two bootlegs on cd with "tribal", "lichthof" and "numm..." on it, but i haven't heard of a track called "tango" so far! :o by the way, those 3 new tracks that kw played live (somebody also said that 2 other - still "untitled"!? - new songs were played during the zkm soundcheck, which i still doubt that they were by kw, but by the warm-up deejay instead! ;) were also once called "innovations # 1 - 3" on some bootlegs! so which "innovation" has which title then ... if "numm..." was indeed "tribal" on some other bootlegs? :o oh well ... this is getting very confusing by now! ;) - der doppelgänger :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: RE: Metropolis/Electronic flute (was Re: (kw) New LP's) Date: 06 Nov 2001 18:12:48 +0100 John Shilcock wrote: This is sooo frustrating for me... I can receive emails from the list at work but am unable to send them.. so I'm sending you this directly... ---snip--- Yeah John, I know exactly what you mean.. The thing is the list daemon will only accept new emails from the address you originally subscribed to the list with! So if you have mail forwarding from your home to work and attempt to reply to the list from your work email, for instance, it will be rejected silently. The only way to get around this is to subscribe to the list from every mailing address you wish to be able to send email from.. Silly mailing list, but that's how it is :) Hope this helps, Peo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) Best bootlegs? (was:zkm song line-up?) Date: 06 Nov 2001 17:17:05 +0000 Hi again > > No, "Nummweltverschmutzung" is "Tribal" > >huh? :o >well, if "numm..." is indeed "tribal", why do some bootlegs have "tribal" >(the first new song), "lichthof" (the second new song) and >"nummweltverschmutzung" (as the third new song) on them? >would somebody please explain this more coherently? Any suggestions as to what is the best bootleg(s) to get if I want to hear the "new" songs that Kraftwerk performed in recent years? I have visited the Kraftwerk bootleg site many times, I am just interested in opinions.. thanks for your patience! ;) Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Looking for Der Automat Date: 06 Nov 2001 17:19:43 +0000 Has he been scared off? :( Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Mojinos Escozios Date: 06 Nov 2001 18:20:02 +0100 The following is an information I am actually ashamed to give. Anyway here it is: There is a Spaniard band, of doubtful taste, called Mojinos Escozios. They and their music are vulgar, coarse, ignominious, mediocre, naff, muggy, ridiculous, grotesque, absurd, fatuous, horrifying, dreadful, deplorable, repugnant, nasty, ugly, repellent, repulsive, rude, impolite, etc. They use a churlish and rotten manner to talk and sing. They speak as uncultured and uneducated people would do, using a sometimes indecipherable and untranslatable mode of speech. On their last album there is a song entitled "Soy Una Maquina De Hase El Amo" which nearest translation could be: "I am a machine of making love". The lyrics to this track read: "Mi madre era una minipime, mi padre era un transisto, y escuchando un disco de Kraftwerk mi padre a mi madre la antena le metio." Translation: "My mother was a food mixer, my father was a transistor, and by listening to a record of Kraftwerk my father did insert his antenna to my mother." The rest of the lyrics can be found at: http://161.58.194.228/mojinos/web01/discos/disco3-15.htm I'm terribly sorry. DER AUTOMAT P.S.: BTW, the name 'Mojinos Escozios' is completely untranslatable, at least AFAIAC. I don't even know what the word 'Mojinos' stands for. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Silly list Date: 06 Nov 2001 17:44:00 +0000 wrote: >Yeah John, I know exactly what you mean.. The thing is the list daemon >will only accept new emails from the address you originally subscribed >to the list with! I think that's a feature rather than a bug. The inability to post to a list without being a member of it is an obstacle to spammers. > So if you have mail forwarding from your home to work >and attempt to reply to the list from your work email, for instance, it >will be rejected silently. The only way to get around this is to >subscribe to the list from every mailing address you wish to be able to >send email from.. Silly mailing list, but that's how it is :) You don't always need to do that, you just need to ensure that you can access your account from both home and work. Best solution: get an account which uses the IMAP protocol (this is designed for such needs!). Second-best solution: if you are stuck with an account which uses the POP protocol, set up your email reader so that it doesn't delete messages after downloading them (this can be unreliable, however). There may however be a problem in connecting to your preferred account in the first place - responsible ISPs try to avoid being spam relays, so that can complicate things. Until all spammers are dead and buried, we are stuck with such awkwardness. >Hope this helps, I hope this helps too! Sorry, I used a fair bit or jargon there without going into details - but perhaps there are some useful pointers. Kevin -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dirk Jan Mueller" Subject: Re: (kw) zkm song line-up? Date: 06 Nov 2001 19:20:42 +0100 > > No, "Nummweltverschmutzung" is "Tribal" > well, if "numm..." is indeed "tribal", why do some bootlegs have "tribal" > (the first new song), "lichthof" (the second new song) and > "nummweltverschmutzung" (as the third new song) on them? > would somebody please explain this more coherently? Tribal (Nummwelt...) is the 3rd new song on ZKM. The first encore of the set. Tango (or ZKM-Song) is the first to be played at ZKM. Lichthof the 2nd. On "Akasaka Blitz" the "ZKM-Song" is called "tango". On "Computersinfonien" it's called "Innovation 1" and on "Lichtgestalten" (Linz) it's simply "instrumental" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "main event" Subject: (kw) Florian and his electronic flute Date: 06 Nov 2001 19:14:40 +0000 Hi everyone, AS far as I can tell ( being a pro electronic music dude) Florian used the electronic flute during the 1981 performances of 'Autobahn'. Its like a pre MIDI Flute like device that uses a moog synthesiser as its sound module, so Florian would trigger it as if it was a real flute. As for it being used on recordings? I dont think it has, but 'Spacelab' and 'Neonlights''s lead parts sound like electronic flute dynamics, but its just a Moog ( probably minimoog) set up to emulate an eeerie sounding flute like sound. I could be wrong of course but thats the way Id do it!! ' Anyone who swims with the current will reach the big music steamship; whoever swims against the current may perhaps reach the source' http://www.mp3.com/mainevent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) Best bootlegs? (was:zkm song line-up?) Date: 06 Nov 2001 15:52:19 -0700 (MST) On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Robert Evans wrote: > Any suggestions as to what is the best bootleg(s) to get if I want to hear > the "new" songs that Kraftwerk performed in recent years? "Tribal Gathering". I found it in the KW section at Virgin last year. It's their performance at TG, including the new stuff, plus a few remixes. > I have visited the Kraftwerk bootleg site many times, I am just interested > in opinions.. There's a bootleg site? -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) Best bootlegs? (was:zkm song line-up?) Date: 06 Nov 2001 23:42:14 +0000 Hi again > > Any suggestions as to what is the best bootleg(s) to get if I want to >hear > > the "new" songs that Kraftwerk performed in recent years? > >"Tribal Gathering". I found it in the KW section at Virgin last year. It's >their performance at TG, including the new stuff, plus a few remixes. Thank you. > > > I have visited the Kraftwerk bootleg site many times, I am just >interested > > in opinions.. > >There's a bootleg site? Yes, the URL is absolutely impossible to remember. So, go to: http://www.overture.com/ And enter "Kraftwerk bootlegs" - it will be the top match. The site has four disturbing pictures of the band members smiling! Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angus Durrie" Subject: (kw) The mix, expo 2000, and some other stuff Date: 06 Nov 2001 17:19:57 -0700 Well, heres whats on my mind: i think that new versions of older songs, would not be cool, afterall, we all know what "The Mix" did for the band, not too much at all. Allthough im sure all of us own it, we would all be much better off without it. uh-oh, here comes a "The Mix" rant: The thing with the mix is thatmost of the songs that they re-did kind of lose their point aftere about the first 2 or 3 minutes. I also think that some of the re-makes are a travesty to the original. though they do manage to "Jazz up" some of the old tracks (like TEE), they lose that analog romance that is accompanied by allmost all of their songs. The simple fact is that the mix is just a vain attempt at a publicity stunt. Perhaps the release of Electric Café was such a big dissapointment to the public that they had to bring back some old favorites. Now dont get me wrong, i love the keyboard stylings of Pocket Calculator, and the Robots, but A new album i think would have been a better choice. And now heres were i begin to stray from my point With the release of Expo 2000 the band has put themselves into a whole new light. Kraftwerk is no longer the innovator of the future that it once was, Expo 2000 still sounds futuristic, but that has become the norm, Expo 2000 sounds like any other song from the now, allthough, it is accompanied by that analog warmth, it still is by far not the bands biggest accomplishment. Of course, i like expo 2000, in part becuase its the only new thing that kling klang has cranked out in album form since 1986, but also becuase it brings you back to the days of Computer world, and Tour De france. Well, i'd say that that was quite the rant. but lets finish it off with one last statement. Kraftwerk has simply run out of fuel. It happens to all bands. Unless they've been hiding some new concept album a-kin to Radioactivity or TEE, then i think that kraftwerk has just about reached the end of its creative rope. Any comments? Angus Durrie. in a fight between me and batman, i would win. becuase batman is a bat-man _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale Emery Subject: Re: (kw) Mojinos Escozios Date: 06 Nov 2001 20:55:02 -0700 this is pretty funny. I would like to hear the song. -KW have left their influence in the obscurest of places. Bix > (snip) > "Mi madre era una minipime, mi padre era un transisto, > y escuchando un disco de Kraftwerk > mi padre a mi madre la antena le metio." > > http://161.58.194.228/mojinos/web01/discos/disco3-15.htm > > I'm terribly sorry. > > DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Dean" Subject: (kw) Astralwerks - mistake! Date: 07 Nov 2001 08:11:11 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C16763.C355FC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One thing that you have all failed to realise about the new 'complete = Expo' Astralwerks - it only has ONE version of the 2002 Klingklang Mix, = when there are actually TWO - the German one (with less beat) and the = other one. Oh, and the shorter 2001 mix from the UK CD single... But really, is it really worth the hassle to get Astralwerks unless it = appeared in the bargain bin, like the E2K single is currently? We have = all the tracks anyway! I mean, I collect KW stuff (like I can actually = find anything here in South Africa) but I refused to get the TDF 12" = reissue or the E2K 12" for the simple fact it's either the same or = lesser than the singles I'd already purchased, and they simply offered = nothing else. 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One thing that you have all = failed to=20 realise about the new 'complete Expo' Astralwerks - it only has ONE = version of=20 the 2002 Klingklang Mix, when there are actually TWO - the German one = (with less=20 beat) and the other one. Oh, and the shorter 2001 mix from the UK CD=20 single...
 
But really, is it really = worth the hassle=20 to get Astralwerks unless it appeared in the bargain bin, like the E2K = single is=20 currently? We have all the tracks anyway! I mean, I collect KW stuff = (like I can=20 actually find anything here in South Africa) but I refused to get the = TDF 12"=20 reissue or the E2K 12" for the simple fact it's either the same or = lesser than=20 the singles I'd already purchased, and they simply offered nothing=20 else.
 
Matt
 
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= ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C16763.C355FC20-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Best bootlegs? (was:zkm song line-up?) Date: 07 Nov 2001 10:39:49 +0000 >>There's a bootleg site? > >Yes, the URL is absolutely impossible to remember. I'm not having a go at anyone here, but I need to know. Do you all actually make use of the vast list of Kraftwerk links I have up at the FAQ site? I am beginning to wonder once again. A quick count tells me I have around 149 (!) sites listed there. They are sorted into four (nominal) categories. The title of each site is shown, along with a brief description for each site. There is a search box. Each URL is manually checked every so often to check that it's still valid. That's quite a lot of work, so if search engines serve the community's needs better, that's fair enough - but I think the news should be broken to me... otherwise I am just being another list-compiling nerd and should be woken up to the fact before I try to develop the service further. Cheers Kevin PS If the lists are not useful, I suppose this would explain why so few fan sites link back to it! :-P -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) Westwood One concert, what is it? Date: 07 Nov 2001 12:03:34 +0100 Hello, Saw and ordered this bootleg from CDZone, they confirmed is was despatched yesterday, but I don't even know what it is, so before I eventually get disappointed :-) Thanks. Arnaud # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) Best bootlegs? (was:zkm song line-up?) Date: 07 Nov 2001 11:12:07 +0000 >That's quite a lot of work, so if search engines serve the >community's needs better, that's fair enough - but I think the news >should be broken to me... otherwise I am just being another >list-compiling nerd and should be woken up to the fact before I try >to develop the service further. Sometimes we are fucked by search engines, as Karl Bartos might say. Use the FAQ. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) Astralwerks - mistake! Date: 07 Nov 2001 11:15:28 +0000 >One thing that you have all failed to realise about the new 'complete Expo' >Astralwerks - it only has ONE version of the 2002 Klingklang Mix, when >there are actually TWO - the German one (with less beat) and the other one. >Oh, and the shorter 2001 mix from the UK CD single... I never noticed there werw TWO versions of the 2002 mix..really?? Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Shilcock" Subject: (kw) (OT) Test Date: 07 Nov 2001 14:48:49 -0000 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Shilcock" Subject: (kw) Site Visit Date: 07 Nov 2001 15:15:44 -0000 Hello there, Thank you for spending the time to visit my site and to leave a message in my guestbook. I am curious though as to what you mean by "the video wall solution is really irritating!!!". Are you having problems running it? Or is it something to do with the code? I would be greatful for any feedback as I'm fairly new to all this web page making stuff. Keep Werking John www.keepwerking.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Shilcock" Subject: (kw) (OT) Sorry Date: 07 Nov 2001 15:44:01 -0000 Please ignore / excuse my previous post. cc'd to the list by mistake. Keep Werking John www.keepwerking.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Expo 2000 on Astralwerks in the US Date: 07 Nov 2001 12:55:01 +0100 Johan wrote: > Just went in there and it seems they've put in some additional info since you guys where there... [...] > Thats a full album ...:-) Apparently there is also a 2x 12". Tracklisting: A1. Expo 2000 - Kling Klang Mix 2000 (5:36) A2. Expo 2000 - Kling Klang Mix 2000 (6:48) B1. Expo 2000 - Orbital Mix B2. Expo 2000 - Kling Klang Mix 2001 C1. Expo 2000 - Orbital Mix C1. Expo 2000 - Francois K + Rob Rives Mix C2. Expo 2000 - DJ Rolando Mix D1. Expo 2000 - Underground Resistance Mix D2. Expo 2000 - UR Infiltrated Mix D3. Expo 2000 - UR Thought 3 Mix DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Lustige Stiefel Date: 07 Nov 2001 17:15:28 +0000 Robert Evans wrote: >Sometimes we are fucked by search engines, as Karl Bartos might say. I believe the quote was from Ralf Huetter: "Sometimes we search using engines, and sometimes the engines search using us". John Shilcock wrote: > (kw) (OT) Test Damn, I didn't revise! K -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) Lustige Stiefel Date: 07 Nov 2001 19:06:36 +0000 Hi again >Robert Evans wrote: > >>Sometimes we are fucked by search engines, as Karl Bartos might say. > >I believe the quote was from Ralf Huetter: "Sometimes we search using >engines, and sometimes the engines search using us". That's an amazing co-incidence. All I knew was that Karl said in an interview: "Sometimes, we are fucked by technology". Karl seems to say what springs to mind, Ralf is almost God-like in his statements. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: RE: (kw) Expo 2000 on Astralwerks in the US Date: 07 Nov 2001 19:16:47 +0000 >Johan wrote: > > > Just went in there and it seems they've put in some additional info >since >you guys where there... >[...] > > Thats a full album ...:-) And, the CD comes in a "proper" case, helping it to have an "album" feel. I am not aware of US CD single conventions, it is a very strange country, i.e. "I will have a Big Mac, large fries and a Diet Coke". Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Stagg" Subject: Re: (kw) FAQs Date: 07 Nov 2001 22:29:27 -0000 Kevin Busby wrote: > I'm not having a go at anyone here, but I need to know. Do you all > actually make use of the vast list of Kraftwerk links I have up at > the FAQ site? Much appreciated here, at least! Don't be disheartened - people just need reminding now and again... human nature I guess. Staggboy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: (kw) Linkage Date: 07 Nov 2001 20:17:12 -0700 (MST) On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Kevin Busby wrote: > That's quite a lot of work, so if search engines serve the > community's needs better, that's fair enough - but I think the news > should be broken to me... otherwise I am just being another > list-compiling nerd and should be woken up to the fact before I try > to develop the service further. You could always check your web logs and see how many of your visitors look at the page where the links are. I have to admit I don't use the links. When someone announces a new KW site, I check it out and bookmark it if it's good. If I lose the bookmark, as sometimes happens, I'm more apt to get busy with Google to relocate a site. This is not to say anything about the rest of the FAQ, though. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: (kw) (OT) Linkage Date: 07 Nov 2001 23:09:02 -0700 (MST) On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Soleil Lapierre wrote: > I have to admit I don't use the links. When someone announces a new KW > site, I check it out and bookmark it if it's good. If I lose the bookmark, > as sometimes happens, I'm more apt to get busy with Google to relocate a > site. After I wrote this, I realized that search engines should never be used as a reason not to maintain a links page like Kevin's. If everyone did that, then search engines would become localized access points for the Web, which makes it super-easy for someone like Microsoft to co-opt all the content and control whose sites get seen. Keep the links if you can spare the time to do so. We need a backup way to find stuff after The Creeping Evil from Redmond buys all the search engines. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Relax Date: 08 Nov 2001 18:10:49 +0100 > Kraftwerk's "The Model" is included on Relax!: The Ultimate 80's Mix 2CD > non-stop compilation published by Polygram International. What is a contradiction in terms. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk book Date: 08 Nov 2001 11:15:17 +0100 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rames/book5.htm Rhytmus, Roots & Robotron Kraftwerk und die Folgen DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AndrewNelles1@aol.com Subject: (kw) (slightly OT) MAQ16/3 MIDI Analog Sequencer Date: 09 Nov 2001 16:14:34 EST I am looking into getting a Sequencer but I have a few questions. I am considering the MAQ16/3 MIDI Analog Sequencer. How would i program a pattern into the sequencer? Does it have a MIDI input where i can hook a Synthesizer into it? For example lets say i wanted to program a pattern of 10 notes into it. How would I go about doing that? Thanks in advance. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "main event" Subject: (kw) re: Kw, The Mix, EXPO 2000 Date: 09 Nov 2001 21:46:39 +0000 Hi, I bought 'The Mix' in 1994 and it was the 1st Kraftwerk CD I bought, so I listened to that, then bought the original Albums. I think it was a clever way of Hutter and Schneider saying to their fans/public that times and styles may change but a good tune doesnt and can be re-created to suit the times we live in. Thats my view though!! They have always stated that The Mix should not be interpreted as definitive versions or replacements of their songs. Of course no band in electronic music can make something sound new, it will be hard to try because the sound of the synthesiser is everywhere in our day to day lives. In the times of TEE and Man Machine the synth sound wasnt commonplace, so thats how they sound innovative as Kraftwerk were almost alone in making electronic music, and by that time they were the best at making it so they were not exposed to that kind of music in their day to day lives away from KlingKlang. Thats what made them innovators. We are too exposed to the electronic sound. EXPO 2000 was a fine record, so simplistic and I bet most of us were waiting for a 40 minute opus in the form of a new album track. Expectations are too high to what a KW album should sound like for the 21st Century, so nobody is going to say ' that sounds original' George Lucas has the same problem with the new Star Wars. People will always revert back to the original trillogy. Im pretty sure that there will be something new, and as long as its a great sounding record I will love it. Kraftwerk dont need to be original anymore, they already proved their point. ' Anyone who swims with the current will reach the big music steamship; whoever swims against the current may perhaps reach the source' http://www.mp3.com/mainevent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bottle Subject: (kw) Re: Doepfer Maq 16/3 Date: 09 Nov 2001 14:42:18 -0800 (PST) Re: >I am looking into getting a Sequencer but I have a few questions. I am considering the MAQ16/3 MIDI Analog Sequencer. How would i program a pattern into the sequencer? Does it have a MIDI input where i can hook a Synthesizer into it? For example lets say i wanted to program a pattern of 10 notes into it. How would I go about doing that? Thanks in advance. There is an option to have the unit scan a midi source, however I have not utilized this as of yet. I usually manually input my patterns, to give it the classic analog sequencing unique quality, as the unit is not a pattern sequencer by nature. There is a midi 'in' jack however. You may hear the demos in the sound button catagory on the Doepfer website for more information. http://www.doepfer.com Kind regards, Kevin Lux http://www.kevinlux.com http://www.kevinlux.com/KW.htm <- Kraftwerk covers __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dante de Conti Neto Subject: (kw) http://kraftwerk.dante.eti.br Date: 09 Nov 2001 22:52:50 -0200 Guys, I am developing with a friend a web page for ftp.dante.eti.br We develop it as a graphical interface for all Kraftwerk material available with some more things. For the time being only the page of "Lyrics" this 100% ready. I thank those that to visit and send me sugestions. Best regards, Dante. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Telepopmusik Date: 09 Nov 2001 13:47:50 +0100 French act Telepopmusik has just made a cover version of "Trans Europe Express". Their album "Genetic World" (EMI) was released on June 19th 2001. http://www.emimusic.fr/telepopmusik/ Telepopmusik is born at the same time as a certain French electronic scene that is present on the SourceLab compilations (Source records). A longstanding friendship and a shared passion for the fundamentals of electronic music (from Kraftwerk to Buggles via Giorgio Moroder and the first electro salvos into hip hop such as Grand Master Flash and Sugar Hill Gang) has lead Stephan Haeri, Christophe Hetier (aka Antipop) and Fabrice Dumont (Autour de Lucie's ex-bassist and founder member) to create their sound. http://www.telepopmusik.com/ info@telepopmusik.com DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tomasz Kirmuc" Subject: Re: (kw) The mix, expo 2000, and some other stuff Date: 11 Nov 2001 19:13:20 +0100 Well, maybe I'm in minority but I must say I really like The Mix album. For me it's almost the best "recapitulation" of their career (live album would be better I think). It was great impression to see them live in Berlin in 1991 after so many years of waiting. They in fact run out of fuel and Expo 2000 is just a (pleasent) post scriptum. Tomasz Kirmuc > Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 17:19:57 -0700 > From: "Angus Durrie" > Subject: (kw) The mix, expo 2000, and some other stuff > > Well, heres whats on my mind: > > i think that new versions of older songs, would not be cool, afterall, we > all know what "The Mix" did for the band, not too much at all. Allthough im > sure all of us own it, we would all be much better off without it. > > >Kraftwerk has simply run out of fuel. It happens to all bands... 99% trafien. 1% rezerwy, zeby innym nie bylo przykro. Nowe Centrum Wyszukiwania >> http://szukaj.interia.pl/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angus Durrie" Subject: (kw) Expo 2000 w/vid track Date: 11 Nov 2001 20:46:37 -0700 I dont own this version of the CD single, the one with the video track that is, i only own the 1999 cd single version. Is there anything very exciting about the video tracks of 2000/may2001 prints of expo 2000? Angus _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Dean" Subject: (kw) Relax!: The Ultimate 80's Mix Date: 12 Nov 2001 10:56:12 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C16B68.A473AE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I actually bought this 2-CD yesterday, thinking it may be a compilation = of 80s stuff. But it's a damn mix! I'm trying to get a refund/exchange = otherwise I'll have to sell it and cut my losses. Damn it... > Kraftwerk's "The Model" is included on Relax!: The Ultimate 80's Mix = 2CD > non-stop compilation published by Polygram International. What is a contradiction in terms. www.mattwerk.com www.mattwerk.org ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C16B68.A473AE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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= ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C16B68.A473AE20-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) re: Kw, The Mix, EXPO 2000 Date: 12 Nov 2001 11:27:48 +0000 main event wrote: >Of course no band in electronic music can make something sound new, >it will be hard to try because the sound of the synthesiser is >everywhere in our day to day lives. That does assume that electronic music can only be made with "conventional" synthesisers (for want of a better phrase) - and that wasn't true before the invention of the synthesiser, and it isn't true now that so much can be (readily) achieved in software. But perhaps I'm being picky (after all, we're talking about popular electronic music only?) >In the times of TEE and Man Machine the synth sound wasnt >commonplace, so thats how they sound innovative as Kraftwerk were >almost alone in making electronic music, It's true that the synth sound wasn't commonplace, and it wasn't commonplace till a long time after, but Kraftwerk were certainly not almost alone in making electronic music, even in the "popular" field (I put the word "popular" in quotes because at the time this was still deemed to be "weird" music, unsuited for the general public). TEE _was_ a distinctive and original album in 1975, but that was not because Kraftwerk were working as pioneers in electronic music. By the time of the release of 'The Man-Machine' in 1978, Tangerine Dream had had a UK "hit" album ('Phaedra', 1974), as had Jean-Michel Jarre ('Oxygene', 1976), Tomita had done quite well with 'Pictures at an Exhibition' (1975) and so on and so on... No, the reason why 'The Man-Machine' (and 'TEE' and 'Radio-activity') sounded so fresh was, IMHO, because of the original and meticulous arrangements: everything was so stripped down and restrained. It certainly shocked me! ;-) > and by that time they were the best at making it so they were not >exposed to that kind of music in their day to day lives away from >KlingKlang. True. >Thats what made them innovators. We are too exposed to the electronic sound. Are we too exposed to "the acoustic sound" too? >Im pretty sure that there will be something new, and as long as its >a great sounding record I will love it. Kraftwerk dont need to be >original anymore, they already proved their point. I agree - but will the critics? And are Ralf and Florian worried? >http://www.mp3.com/mainevent Good stuff, BTW! Kevin -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) looking for Live USA 74 MP3's Date: 12 Nov 2001 12:29:12 +0100 Hello friends, I'm looking for the KW live tracks that are supposedly from USA 74. If you have them, please let me know, I have a great archive of KW live stuff + more on FTP. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Shilcock" Subject: (kw) Covers and Data Date: 12 Nov 2001 13:37:03 -0000 For those of you who are interested in these things, I have uploaded full versions of the covers / interpretations of a few Kraftwerk tunes which I've put together in the past (The Model, Metropolis and Computer World). These can be found on the page at http://www.keepwerking.co.uk/acoustic.htm And yes, I'd like to know what you think of them. Also, as part of my own 'learning how to do things' exercise.. I've also made changes to the 'collection' pages to make things a little easier to access the items in my Kraftwerk Collection. Keep Werking John www.keepwerking.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Dean" Subject: (kw) cd trade Date: 13 Nov 2001 11:36:13 -0700 Hi, this is Matt from South Africa! I used to live in The Netherlands, and I had a PC with CD copier. I copied lots of CDs and did many various CD trades throughout the world. Now, I copied a lot of CDs for my then fiancee in South Africa, but now I have emigrated to South Africa myself and we got married, so we don't need the copies anymore; I took all my originals with me. I don't have a PC or copier here in Africa, and it will take a while until I can afford one (remember, I can't just go wild and buy one because there's also a wife to consider!). However, I want to trade with these CDs that I have copies of. If you would like any of CDs from the list then please e-mail me on mattwerk@hotmail.com and let me know. Because all of the below mentioned have already been copied, it is just a question of popping them into a padded envelope (without jewel cases - it saves lots on weight and they get damaged in the mail anyway). THE CDs I HAVE TO OFFER Kraftwerk: *1973-2000 (an own collection of tracks, singles - tracklisting on request) Kraftwerk + Rueckstoss Gondoliere and Stratovarius & Ruckzuck live Kraftwerk 2 + Klingklang Live Ralf und Florian + Kohoutek 1&2 and Tanzmusik Live Autobahn (with cover taken from original LP) + KM2 7", KM live 1975, Autobahn live 1981 Radioactivity + RA/Antenna 7", live tracks - 3 from 1981 and 2 from 1997 TEE (English) + Showroom Dummies 7", Hall of Mirrors - Les Mannequins -TEE live TEE (German) + TEE German 7", Les Mannequins, Schaufensterpuppen 1974 and TEE 1997 Computerwelt + PC (Eng), Numbers 7", Dentaku, HC (English), Mini Calculateur, CW rare 12" The Mix (German) + Robotnik and E2K The Mix (English) + Robotronik and E2K Various *A-Ha - Hunting High and Low + other 80s tracks Can - Tago Mago Depeche Mode - Speak And Spell + Bonus tracks Depeche Mode - Construction Time Again Depeche Mode - A Broken Frame Depeche Mode - The Singles 81 - 85 Depeche Mode - Black Celebration Depeche Mode - Violator Depeche Mode - Songs of Faith and Devotion Depeche Mode - Ultra *Duran Duran - Decade + extra track + extra Spandau Ballet tracks Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Welcom To The Pleasuredome *Jean Michel Jarre - (my own) Best Of + extra Heaven 17 tracks Jean Michel Jarre - Magnetic Fields and Chronologie Jean Michel Jarre - Concerts in China Jean Michel Jarre - Images, Best Of Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene 7-13 and Rendez Vous 1998 single Jean Michel Jarre - Rarities (Deserted Palace, Les Granges Brulees, singles 1969 - 1975) (2 copies, 1 with cover) *Madness - Divine Madness Neu! - Neu 2 Pet Shop Boys - Discography Police - Greatest Hits * = no cover - only tracklisting and CD (I have 2 copies of JM Jarre's Rarities, only 1 with cover but I can probably provide a JPEG of the cover) WHAT I WOULD LIKE IN RETURN YAMO - Time Pie (sorry Wolfgang but I just CAN'T find it in Africa, unless you want to send me a copy?) JAMIROQUAI - any concerts or rarities bootlegs JEAN MICHEL JARRE - Rarities 2 and 3 (and an explanation where the songs come from) KRAFTWERK - Trancewerk Express (whatever's the best volumes) KRAFTWERK - a good quality concert, preferably 1970s or with something rare like for example Polish/Italian Pocket Calculator (not 1981, not ZKM 1997). Maybe Utrecht 1981 if it's good quality? KRAFTWERK - Man Machine 7" B-side, TDF 2e Etappe, Metropolis Alternative 12" B-side, Techno Pop Espanyol, Showroom Dummies 12" mix BEATLES - any special bootlegs, rarities or so MANFRED MANN'S EARTH BAND - anything Otherwise, just tell me what you can copy for me as I would also like different, new music too! Thank you all Matthew http://www.mattwerk.com ps. I'd provide names of people I have traded with in the past, but I don't know if they would appreciate it, so maybe rather ask me by e-mail and I can give you some? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) OK OK Date: 13 Nov 2001 09:36:14 +0000 ... You can all stop emailing me now to point out that TEE came out in '77! It just goes to show how late Kraftwerk were, yes? :-) Kevin -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: (kw) KW COVERS CD Date: 13 Nov 2001 12:29:32 -0000 Hey Werkers Picked up something unusual on Ebay. It has probably been mentioned/discussed before but it's the first time I've seen it. It's a CD called Die Roboter Rubato by Terre Thaemlitz, piano interpretations of Kraftwerk titles. On first listen, it's very avant garde in places and it's only now and then you can pick out the melodies. I may not play it much in the future but it's an interesting curiosity I shall keep in my collection. Shaun # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: (kw) KILL THE LUDDITES!!!! Date: 13 Nov 2001 21:03:20 -0500 I'm sick of this typical exchange: --Do you have anything by Kraftwerk? [note: with proper pronunciation] --Who? --Kraftwerk! [enunciated] --Never heard of them. How do you spell it? --K-R-A-F-T-W-E-R-K. The most influential band of all time! --[with the eyes-in-the-head look that teenagers give] Yeah, right. --They experimented with electronic music back in the '70s, way before anyone else. --[types name into computer after forgetting the spelling and needs to be reminded as clerk types. Three items show up in display] Looks like we don't have anything. --Okay, thank you. I'm sick of this shit! Give props where they're due! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: (kw) Capitol/EMI C2-46039 Date: 13 Nov 2001 21:07:51 -0500 It was that time; I sold my vinyl "The Man-Machine," and it was due for a digital replacement. Unlike the other Capitol albums, this one has a nice picture on the disc. But wait a minute--don't the other pressings have the 1970s Capitol logo? Isn't the disc supposed to resemble a 1970s Capitol album, as is the case with "TEE" and "R-A"? Great sound, though. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Shilcock" Subject: (kw) Rare Item?? Date: 14 Nov 2001 09:14:16 -0000 Does anyone know for a fact how many of those 12" box sets (with or witho= ut T-shirts) actually exist? I ask, because for a 'rare' item it appears to come up for sale very ofte= n. For example right now there are 2 available in the same London, UK street. i.e. Reckless Records (=A3140) and Sister Ray (Who have had it on sale fo= r over a year now.. perhaps because of their asking price of =A3500!). Keep Werking John www.keepwerking.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) Astralwerks - mistake! Date: 14 Nov 2001 11:14:38 +0000 Matt wrote a few days ago: >One thing that you have all failed to realise about the new 'complete Expo' >Astralwerks - it only has ONE version of the 2002 Klingklang Mix, when >there are actually TWO - the German one (with less beat) and the other one. >Oh, and the shorter 2001 mix from the UK CD single... I have listened to both "versions" and I find them absolutely identical. I am sorry, there is only one 2002 version of the track. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Coen Rampen" Subject: RE: (kw) Astralwerks - mistake! Date: 14 Nov 2001 15:31:18 +0100 > >One thing that you have all failed to realise about the new > 'complete Expo' > >Astralwerks - it only has ONE version of the 2002 Klingklang > Mix, when > >there are actually TWO - the German one (with less beat) and > the other one. > >Oh, and the shorter 2001 mix from the UK CD single... > > I have listened to both "versions" and I find them absolutely > identical. I > am sorry, there is only one 2002 version of the track. There actually are two versions of the German CD single. The first issue plays the different 2002 mix. The matrix number of the first issue cd ends with @1, the second issue ends with @2. I hope this clears things up. Regards, Coen Rampen c.rampen@student.utwente.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: RE: (kw) Astralwerks - mistake! Date: 14 Nov 2001 14:50:59 +0000 >There actually are two versions of the German CD single. The first issue >plays the different 2002 mix. The matrix number of the first issue cd >ends with @1, the second issue ends with @2. >I hope this clears things up. I think I am going mad..can someone else verify? :( I have the "holographic effect" release...are the differences marked? Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Star Whores Date: 13 Nov 2001 13:53:09 +0100 Spanish new label Star Whores Records has just released its first reference "Start to Fuck with Star Whores (Records) Vol.1", a compilation that counts on 19 tracks produced by Afterfuture, Robert Calvin, Neonwerk, Vadim Tudor, Oral (one of his tracks it's called "Computer Control"), Medio Escinico and Alek Stark (owner of the label). 73.50 minutes of elektro, electronic pop and some e.b.m. All of them very influenced by Kraftwerk in one way or another. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Star Whores Date: 14 Nov 2001 17:57:17 +0000 Der Automat wrote: >Spanish new label Star Whores Records has just released its first reference >"Start to Fuck with Star Whores (Records) Vol.1", ... > All of them very influenced by >Kraftwerk in one way or another. Mainly in their use of Quasimidi synthwhoresisers, by the sound of it. K -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: RE: (kw) Rare Item?? Date: 14 Nov 2001 19:01:22 +0100 > Does anyone know for a fact how many of those 12" box sets (with or without T-shirts) actually exist? Yeah. There were 250 boxes produced, and allegedly only 10 of those included the T-shirt. However, those shirts have been reproduced by intelligent third parties, so if a box is without shirt or not is really not important anymore. The only thing that is certain is that there are 250 boxes in total. The four 12" records were pressed in 1000 copies each, so I would assume that there are 750 sets of these four available without box, and the remaining 250 are in the box sets. Not sure if this is correct though - it might be that there are 1000 individual copies of each, apart from the 250 boxes. Does anyone know for sure? Apart from these 1000 copies, there are about a million bootlegs of each one, making it a lot worse. Check the Discography for info on how to differentiate between them. The real ones are always in picture sleeve though, which the fakes usually aren't (they tend to come in generic black or white sleeves). There is also a possibility that someone faked the box as well, and is putting either real promos or fake ones in them.. Not sure about that, but considering the prices these boxes have had, I wouldn't be surprised. Final thing about their availability: even though it appears they're for sale everywhere, and it may be so too, do remember that it's usually the SAME boxes being for sale, month after month.. People just aren't paying the silly prices asked for them. Check GEMM, there are always about 10 boxes for sale, and they've been for sale all of 2001 from the same suppliers... As for the pricing, it's been fluctuating wildly; I've seen everything from $100 to $900, but now things seem to have stabilized a bit. I'd say about $150-$200 is a fair price for a mint box (with or without shirt doesn't matter) Hope this helps :) Peo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: (kw) Astralwerks/Caroline/Virgin/EMI ASW 38768 Date: 14 Nov 2001 22:14:06 -0500 I got my domestic copy of "Expo Remix" finally! 1. Why are people so ignorant, and why do they hire idiots at J&R Music world? Anyone who knows anything knows that Astralwerks = Virgin = EMI. So, then, why did they nitpick when I told them the damned thing was on sale? Couldn't they see the friggin' "7243" prefix that EMI has used since the mid 1990s on most their products? Just because it's distributed by Caroline, which is OWNED by Virgin/EMI, doesn't make it any less an EMI product than one distributed by EMD, especially when it's on an EMI-owned label! It could make you sick. 2. I am making a MiniDisc with all the hits for my MD Walkman. Can anyone think of a snazzy title, other than "The Definitive Kraftwerk Collection," "KW's Greatest Hits," or "The Ultimate KW MiniDisc"? If you must use some cliche like "Deus es Machina," find an Afrocentric equivalent or translate it into Swahili. Any suggestions? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale Emery Subject: Re: (kw) Astralwerks/Caroline/Virgin/EMI ASW 38768 Date: 15 Nov 2001 08:36:36 -0700 >2. I am making a MiniDisc with all the hits for my MD Walkman. Can anyone >think of a snazzy title, (clip) How about "Muzik for Nuts 2" peace2Utoo. Bix # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk book Date: 15 Nov 2001 10:58:38 +0100 Does anybody of you know the following book? http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=34SXY9FWRL& mscssid=PF9F3EHW3R949HDL6SMJ01L1HLJ46TA3&isbn=6301044290 Computer World Kraftwerk Cdelek 3549 Format: Multimedia, 600pp. ISBN: 6301044290 Publisher: Paul Elek Pub. Date: April 1989 What's it about? BTW, > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rames/book5.htm > Rhytmus, Roots & Robotron > Kraftwerk und die Folgen Can be 'Kraftwerk und die Folgen' translated as 'Kraftwerk and the consequences'? DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?QW5kculhcyBIYWdzdHL2bQ==?=" Subject: Re: (kw) KW COVERS CD Date: 15 Nov 2001 20:55:46 Terre Thaemlitz has a fantastic homepage where he among other has a site about this record. Die roboter rubato is as he say: Kraftwerk for housewifes. look it up at http://www.comatonse.com/listening/rubato.html and http://www.comatonse.com/directory.html Have fun sheers /Andréas ----Original Message Follows---- Reply-To: Hey Werkers Picked up something unusual on Ebay. It has probably been mentioned/discussed before but it's the first time I've seen it. It's a CD called Die Roboter Rubato by Terre Thaemlitz, piano interpretations of Kraftwerk titles. On first listen, it's very avant garde in places and it's only now and then you can pick out the melodies. I may not play it much in the future but it's an interesting curiosity I shall keep in my collection. Shaun # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ _________________________________________________________________ Hämta MSN Explorer kostnadsfritt på http://explorer.msn.se # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Der_Doppelg=E4nger?= Subject: (kw) ot: "stylophone" by hexstatic Date: 16 Nov 2001 16:50:05 +0100 hello kw fans! does anybody of you maybe know, where i can find the track "stylophone" by hexstatic, because it's neither on any of their singles nor on their album "rewind" - as far as i know! :\ i only heard it once in an audio-visual-mix on tv! :o any help would be appreciated! :) thanks a lot in advance, fellows! - der doppelgänger :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) ot: "stylophone" by hexstatic Date: 16 Nov 2001 10:49:57 -0700 (MST) On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Der Doppelg=E4nger wrote: > does anybody of you maybe know, where i can find the track "stylophone"= by > hexstatic, because it's neither on any of their singles nor on their al= bum > "rewind" - as far as i know! :\ > i only heard it once in an audio-visual-mix on tv! :o Are you sure you're not thinking of "Stylophonia" by 2 Little Boys? It's=20 on the Radikal Techno compilation. --=20 /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Der_Doppelg=E4nger?= Subject: Re: (kw) ot: "stylophone" by hexstatic Date: 16 Nov 2001 19:27:18 +0100 > Are you sure you're not thinking of "Stylophonia" by 2 Little Boys? > It's on the Radikal Techno compilation. > > -- > /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ nope, it's most definitely by hexstatic, but as i just found out, the track is called "stylophonic" and not "stylophone"! ;) a kind kw fan sent me the following answer in private: > the album "rewind" includes another multimedia-CD > containing the video-clip of "stylophonic" thanks a whole lot for the answer, mate! :) i appreciate your help very much indeed! - der doppelgänger :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin Olson Subject: (kw) TEE on the New Grandmaster Flash Disc? Date: 16 Nov 2001 14:34:37 -0500 So what do you all make of this? (check out the track listing: ) http://www.nme.com/NME/External/News/News_Story/0,1004,50324,00.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Claycomb Subject: Re: (kw) TEE on the New Grandmaster Flash Disc? Date: 16 Nov 2001 14:42:29 -0500 > > So what do you all make of this? (check out the track listing: ) > > > http://www.nme.com/NME/External/News/News_Story/0,1004,50324,00.html > Ummmmmmm........ heh heh looks interesting!!! I wonder how it will sound.. will he kill it or will it be....... just ok?!?!?! Christian aka "cee cee" http://www.mp3.com/christianac UniQue Werkx # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mattias Karlsson Subject: (kw) Poster question Date: 17 Nov 2001 23:35:30 +0100 Hi! Don't know if this is an active list but I'll throw a question away and hope someone listen. Anyway. I was away last weekend to a hotel i Tylosand, Sweden. Owned by the way by Swedish popstar Per Gessle of Roxette. Down in the disco there were four huge 1*1,5 meter framed Kaftwerk posters in black and white. Each showing one dummy of the members. After about a gazzilion hours on the net I found one of the images at: http://members.tripod.de/abrehm/kkp06/ of Bartos but there one of each. I WANT them. Have anyone seen these on sale anywhere? best wishes / Mattias # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dante de Conti Neto Subject: (kw) http://kraftwerk.dante.eti.br (II) Date: 18 Nov 2001 01:09:23 -0200 Guys, New section "Images" is available in http://kraftwerk.dante.eti.br (still available ftp://ftp.dante.eti.br) Dante. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AndrewNelles1@aol.com Subject: (kw) Tour dates Date: 18 Nov 2001 00:03:05 EST Is there a web page that lists kraftwerks tour dates? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Huggy Bear" Subject: (kw) Music files Date: 18 Nov 2001 01:07:10 -0500 Wondering if anyone might be able to make a suggestion... I have a car stereo that plays not only standard CD-DA (normal audio CDs), but it also plays .MP3 files as well...it is great being able to put 180-200 songs on a single CD. Anyway, here is my problem: I have a number of files that are in a different format, and my stereo doesn't recognise them. I need a program that can convert .WMA or .S3M files to either .MP3 or .WAV format. Does anyone know of such a program, or would I have to do it the hard way (play them to an analog tape, then re-encode the analog tape)? Thanks in advance for any information I can get. Huggy Bear Warren, MI, USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) Music files Date: 17 Nov 2001 23:49:14 -0700 (MST) On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Huggy Bear wrote: > need a program that can convert .WMA or .S3M files to either .MP3 or .WAV > format. WMA I don't know, but I think both WinAmp and Cubic Player can convert MOD, S3M, STM and all those other tracker formats to WAV, and then you can use a regular encoder like Lame to convert the WAV to MP3. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) Poster question Date: 18 Nov 2001 13:20:28 +0100 Mattias Karlsson schrieb am 17.11.2001 23:35 Uhr MEZ: > Down in the disco there were four huge 1*1,5 meter framed Kaftwerk posters in > black and white. Each showing one dummy of the members. AFAIK the pics are made by photo artist Anton Corbijn and could be found in one of his books, probably "Famouz". Try . Jan ^^^v^^^ ===== Freedom is a scary thing. Not many people really want it. Laurie Anderson ===== # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) Karoli (OT) Date: 18 Nov 2001 13:45:18 +0100 Sad news: CAN guitarist Michael Karoli passed away this morning. More info see # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markus.berzborn@t-online.de (Markus Berzborn) Subject: Re: (kw) Tour dates Date: 18 Nov 2001 13:51:32 +0100 A fairly comprehensive list of Kraftwerk concerts is at: kraftwerk.mdis.de/live.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) Tour dates Date: 18 Nov 2001 14:12:34 +0000 Hi, >A fairly comprehensive list of Kraftwerk concerts is at: >kraftwerk.mdis.de/live.htm But I think Andrew wants to know about FUTURE Tour dates. So do I, in fact. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephan Schumacher Subject: Re: (kw) Poster question Date: 18 Nov 2001 17:05:23 +0100 Mattias Karlsson schrieb: > Down in the disco there were four huge 1*1,5 meter framed Kaftwerk posters in black and white. Each showing one dummy of the members. > These photographs were taken by pop- photographer and videoartist Anton Corbin. I saw them in original at the "Deichtorhallen" here in hamburg/germany. I´m sorry but i don´t know if there exist any posters that You can buy. Stay tuned NUC2001 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AndrewNelles1@aol.com Subject: (kw) consert classics Date: 18 Nov 2001 16:25:57 EST this was a 1975 show right? where and when was it recorded? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uberfetus Subject: Re: (kw) Tour dates Date: 18 Nov 2001 16:45:36 -0500 >> A fairly comprehensive list of Kraftwerk concerts is at: >> kraftwerk.mdis.de/live.htm > > But I think Andrew wants to know about FUTURE Tour dates. So do I, in fact. Well, *those* are even easier to find. Here's a current listing: We all know Florian hates touring, so unless Kraftwerk releases new material or a concert organizer offers them a ridiculous amount of cash, the old men are likely to stay at home! They last toured in what, 1998? In Kraftwerk Time, that's practically last week! -Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) Tour dates Date: 18 Nov 2001 22:19:14 +0000 Hi again >We all know Florian hates touring No, Florian likes touring but hates the studio. If Florian were more enthusiastic about the studio, there would be more Kraftwerk albums. Ralf is an absolute nutcase. He could spend his entire life in the studio, after all, he is "Mr Kraftwerk". I am sure there will be more touring in the future, because they re-started touring only a few years back, which to them, is like last week. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Dean" Subject: (kw) CD Trade Date: 19 Nov 2001 06:24:22 +0000 Hi, this is Matt from South Africa! I used to live in The Netherlands, and I had a PC with CD copier. I copied lots of CDs and did many various CD trades throughout the world. Now, I copied a lot of CDs for my then fiancee in South Africa, but now I have emigrated to South Africa myself and we got married, so we don't need the copies anymore; I took all my originals with me. I don't have a PC or copier here in Africa, and it will take a while until I can afford one (remember, I can't just go wild and buy one because there's also a wife to consider!). However, I want to trade with these CDs that I have copies of. If you would like any of CDs from the list then please e-mail me on mattwerk@hotmail.com and let me know. Because all of the below mentioned have already been copied, it is just a question of popping them into a padded envelope (without jewel cases - it saves lots on weight and they get damaged in the mail anyway). THE CDs I HAVE TO OFFER (going fast as well!) Kraftwerk: *1973-2000 (an own collection of tracks, singles - tracklisting on request) Kraftwerk + Rueckstoss Gondoliere and Stratovarius & Ruckzuck live Kraftwerk 2 + Klingklang Live Ralf und Florian + Kohoutek 1&2 and Tanzmusik Live Autobahn (with cover taken from original LP) + KM2 7", KM live 1975, Autobahn live 1981 Radioactivity + RA/Antenna 7", live tracks - 3 from 1981 and 2 from 1997 TEE (English) + Showroom Dummies 7", Hall of Mirrors - Les Mannequins -TEE live TEE (German) + TEE German 7", Les Mannequins, Schaufensterpuppen 1974 and TEE 1997 Computerwelt + PC (Eng), Numbers 7", Dentaku, HC (English), Mini Calculateur, CW rare 12" The Mix (German) + Robotnik and E2K The Mix (English) + Robotronik and E2K Various *A-Ha - Hunting High and Low + other 80s tracks Can - Tago Mago Depeche Mode - Speak And Spell + Bonus tracks Depeche Mode - Construction Time Again Depeche Mode - A Broken Frame Depeche Mode - The Singles 81 - 85 Depeche Mode - Black Celebration Depeche Mode - Violator Depeche Mode - Songs of Faith and Devotion Depeche Mode - Ultra *Duran Duran - Decade + extra track + extra Spandau Ballet tracks Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Welcom To The Pleasuredome Jean Michel Jarre - Rarities (Deserted Palace, Les Granges Brulees, singles 1969 - 1975) (2 copies, 1 with cover) *Madness - Divine Madness Neu! - Neu 2 Pet Shop Boys - Discography Police - Greatest Hits * = no cover - only tracklisting and CD (I have 2 copies of JM Jarre's Rarities, only 1 with cover but I can probably provide a JPEG of the cover) WHAT I WOULD LIKE IN RETURN YAMO - Time Pie (sorry Wolfgang but I just CAN'T find it in Africa, unless you want to send me a copy?) JAMIROQUAI - any concerts or rarities bootlegs JEAN MICHEL JARRE - Rarities 2 and 3 (and an explanation where the songs come from) KRAFTWERK - Trancewerk Express (whatever's the best volumes) KRAFTWERK - a good quality concert, preferably 1970s or with something rare like for example Polish/Italian Pocket Calculator (not 1981, not ZKM 1997). Maybe Utrecht 1981 if it's good quality? KRAFTWERK - Man Machine 7" B-side, TDF 2e Etappe, Metropolis Alternative 12" B-side, Techno Pop Espanyol, Showroom Dummies 12" mix BEATLES - any special bootlegs, rarities or so MANFRED MANN'S EARTH BAND - anything Otherwise, just tell me what you can copy for me as I would also like different, new music too! Thank you all Matthew http://www.mattwerk.com ps. I'd provide names of people I have traded with in the past, but I don't know if they would appreciate it, so maybe rather ask me by e- mail and I can give you some? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: RE: (kw) Poster question Date: 19 Nov 2001 9:08:46 +0100 Hello Mattias, I have seen them on tylosand as well, I'm sorry to tell you=20= it's not posters but original photographs by the famous photographer Corbijn=20= or something, I asked at hotel tylosand and they said it's actually for sale=20= but the price! the guy in the bar said about 15=2E000$ each! There are only three of the sets in Sweden, one is owned by Per Gessle the=20= second by Jonas =C5kerlund (who makes well known music videos) and the third=20= set which is the one you saw on the hotel=2E I've got some pictures of these I took at Tylosand if you are interested=2E A funny story was told by the DJ when I asked him to play KW, he didn't :-[=20= he said that a couple of months ago some guest fell into Florian and they had=20= to get a new one (for a big cost)=2E Regards/Johan ---------- Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 23:42 PM <> Hi! Don't know if this is an active list but I'll throw a question away and hope=20= someone listen=2E Anyway=2E I was away last weekend to a hotel i Tylosand, Sweden=2E Owned by the=20= way by Swedish popstar Per Gessle of Roxette=2E Down in the disco there were four huge 1*1,5 meter framed Kaftwerk posters in=20= black and white=2E Each showing one dummy of the members=2E After about a=20= gazzilion hours on the net I found one of the images at:=20= http://members=2Etripod=2Ede/abrehm/kkp06/ of Bartos but there one of each=2E I=20= WANT them=2E Have anyone seen these on sale anywhere? best wishes / Mattias # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom=2E # To post, email kraftwerk@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom; replies go to original sender=2E # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web=2Ebham=2Eac=2Euk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FA= Q/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: (kw) Expo 2K Date: 19 Nov 2001 18:37:02 -0500 Which, do you think of the original Kling Klang mixes of "Expo" most represents the KW sound? My vote is the 2002 mix. Progressive and yet curiously dated at the same time--a bit like "Tour de France" but without the oomph of the "Electric Café" album. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AndrewNelles1@aol.com Subject: (kw) Signs of a possible recorded new album (Hopefull still) Date: 19 Nov 2001 19:12:09 EST I was think about this today there are plenty of signs a new album may have allready been recorded. 1. Obvious : new songs performed live, also new versions. This was common in the past, in 1981 there liver version of radioactivity contained the lyrics "stop, radioactivity" just like the mix, the 1990 shows had songs that were 1/2 original 1/2 mix. The mix was the following year. 2. The luton 1997 official video clips audio was not the live version, different and no crowd noise. So the lutton song has been recorded. 3. Recent tour: Kraftwerk seems to tour around the time of album releases. 4. New single (EXPO 2000) : May never be on a album but at least it is new Anyone have idea to add. Maybe im a bit too hopefull. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Signs of a possible recorded new album (Hopefull still) Date: 20 Nov 2001 13:06:05 +0000 AndrewNelles1@aol.com wrote: >3. Recent tour: Kraftwerk seems to tour around the time of album releases. "Recent"...? >4. New single (EXPO 2000) : May never be on a album but at least it is new > >Anyone have idea to add. Maybe im a bit too hopefull. Maybe we should check whether Nostradamus had any insights on the matter? :-) K -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Signs etc. Date: 20 Nov 2001 14:25:19 +0000 Can we make our subject titles a little less misleading? They cause unnecessary excitement. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) We are never satisfied Date: 20 Nov 2001 14:52:26 +0000 Buy the Astralwerks release. It's 52 minutes long for goodness sake. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Poster question Date: 20 Nov 2001 11:24:45 +0100 wrote: > There are only three of the sets in Sweden, one is owned by Per Gessle = the > second by Jonas =C5kerlund (who makes well known music videos) and the = third > set which is the one you saw on the hotel. I thought the set at the Hotell Tyloesand (in Halmstad) and the set of Pe= r Gessle were the same, due to the fact that Per is the owner of the Hotel, isn't he? DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: RE: (kw) Poster question Date: 21 Nov 2001 8:39:06 +0100 You may have a point there, he is the owner of the hotel too, but according=20= to the info from the bartender this is another set, anyway, who can trust a=20= bartender=2E=2E=2E I don't have any more reliable info than this=2E Regards/Johan ---------- Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 18:10 PM <> wrote: > There are only three of the sets in Sweden, one is owned by Per Gessle the > second by Jonas =C5kerlund (who makes well known music videos) and the third > set which is the one you saw on the hotel=2E I thought the set at the Hotell Tyloesand (in Halmstad) and the set of Per Gessle were the same, due to the fact that Per is the owner of the Hotel, isn't he? DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom=2E # To post, email kraftwerk@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom; replies go to original sender=2E # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web=2Ebham=2Eac=2Euk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FA= Q/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Electric Music Date: 21 Nov 2001 10:35:38 +0100 http://www.electricmusic.com inquiry@electricumusic.com ElectricMusic is a CD Now affiliated site. Electric Music : Psychics F.O. 2000 CD $5.99 TRACK LISTING 1. Psychics Fo 2. Showstopper 3. Let It Flow Experimental Dub. Marks A Musical Continuation In The Partnership Of Anth Brown & Tom Doyle's Sample-Heavy Live Performances. Title Track Takes A Line From Rem's 'Country Feedback'. Genre: Dance Origin: ENG This is an import title. ZUBIZ DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) (OT) EMI Date: 21 Nov 2001 13:31:05 +0100 The other day I had a discussion with a friend about whether the word EMI is or is not an acronym. What EMI could stand for, we wondered. Here are some curious answers: ElectroMagnetic Interference Educable Mentally Impaired Elderly Mentally Ill Electromagnetic Induction Electronic Message Interface Equipment Manufacturers Institute Escape from Monkey Island Extra Military Instruction Electrical Music Industries Electronic Music Industries Electronic Music Institute Enterprise Music Industries ;-) DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: RE: (kw) (OT) EMI Date: 21 Nov 2001 19:09:42 +0100 I thought everybody knew: Evil Music Industry. [grovsnus] DER AUTOMAT wrote: The other day I had a discussion with a friend about whether the word EMI is or is not an acronym. What EMI could stand for, we wondered. Here are some curious answers: ElectroMagnetic Interference Educable Mentally Impaired Elderly Mentally Ill Electromagnetic Induction Electronic Message Interface Equipment Manufacturers Institute Escape from Monkey Island Extra Military Instruction Electrical Music Industries Electronic Music Industries Electronic Music Institute Enterprise Music Industries ;-) DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) EMI Date: 21 Nov 2001 14:12:41 -0500 EMI actually stands for Electronic and Musical Industries. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephan Schumacher Subject: (kw) stunning Date: 22 Nov 2001 19:46:52 +0100 This is completely off topic, I´m sorry but PLEASE have a look at www.levitated.net, it´s stunning, incredibile and for shure one of the best sites i´ve ever seen. blame me and Stay tuned NUC2001 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) stunning Date: 22 Nov 2001 20:17:51 +0000 Hi >This is completely off topic, >I´m sorry but PLEASE have a look at www.levitated.net, >it´s stunning, incredibile and for shure one of the best sites i´ve ever >seen. It sure is stunning. Certainly I think it is the type of site Kraftwerk fans may appreciate from an aesthetic point of view. The presentation is minimalistic and modernistic. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. D." Subject: (kw) Review of Expo Remix (Astralwerks). Date: 24 Nov 2001 07:38:27 -0800 (PST) There is a small review of Expo Remix (Astralwerks) near the bottom of this page http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/rolls/20011030/en/new_cds_michael_lenny_1.html (In fact, I'm just checking if this KW list is still working) ===== Roger. rd411@yahoo.com Regor@webtv.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: (kw) "Tour de France" on VIVA Date: 24 Nov 2001 20:39:45 +0100 VIVA will show the '99 Rmx-Version of Kraftwerk's "Tour de France" tonight at "Berlin house" / 23:00 CET. So keep your VCR's ready ;-). Greets from vienna, Georgie -- * http://members.blackbox.net/georgie/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) "Tour de France" on VIVA Date: 24 Nov 2001 19:58:36 +0000 >VIVA will show the '99 Rmx-Version of Kraftwerk's "Tour de France" >tonight at "Berlin house" / 23:00 CET. So keep your VCR's ready ;-). I know John Shilcock won't have his VCR ready! He hates the song!! http://www.keepwerking.co.uk/ Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Vogle" Subject: (kw) autobahn sheet music and live videos Date: 24 Nov 2001 15:16:50 -0500 does anyone have any scans of the autobahn sheet music? and a while back, i posted about selling a video with 4 live concerts and promo videos on it for 40 american dollars. for those that were interested in it, email me @ transeuropaexpress@hotmail.com for my address or any questions on the video at all. thanks! dan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Neon Lights (was: Re: (kw) "Tour de France" on VIVA) Date: 24 Nov 2001 22:57:08 +0100 Robert Evans wrote: > http://www.keepwerking.co.uk/ Just noticed the "rare Neon Lights" on that page. It indeed sounds like a real thing! Apparently a tryout mix escaped attention... The track runs nearly 100% synchronous with the released version, so I'm quite sure this is a genuine article. Also the singing is exactly the same. I like the final release version better though. Maybe mr. Jackson took a tape home... Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl Any spam mail sent to me results in counter measures. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Vogle" Subject: (kw) 1981 autobahn Date: 24 Nov 2001 17:45:36 -0500 does anyone know what ralf says in the 1981 live version of autobahn at about the 12 minute mark? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dante de Conti Neto Subject: (kw) Updates dante.eti.br Date: 25 Nov 2001 21:16:58 -0200 Guys, New flash animations in ftp://ftp.dante.eti.br and new links section in http://kraftwerk.dante.eti.br available. ;) Dante. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tadream" Subject: Re: (kw) "Tour de France" on VIVA Date: 26 Nov 2001 08:13:59 +0100 > >VIVA will show the '99 Rmx-Version of Kraftwerk's "Tour de France" > >tonight at "Berlin house" / 23:00 CET. So keep your VCR's ready ;-). howdy don't you have it on the '98 CD ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) New Boing Boom Tschak on kraftwerk.com? Date: 26 Nov 2001 16:24:16 +0100 Isn't it a new version of Boing Boom Tschak out on kraftwerk=2Ecom or have i=20= missed something?=20= Regards/Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) ...and... Date: 26 Nov 2001 16:27:54 +0100 =2E=2E=2Eand new groooovvy version of E2k on "PHOTO"=2E=2E=2E # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) New Boing Boom Tschak on kraftwerk.com? Date: 26 Nov 2001 16:52:05 +0000 >Isn't it a new version of Boing Boom Tschak out on kraftwerk.com or have i >missed something? Regards/Johan You missed something. As for the Photo, the music was there before Kraftwerk formed as "Organisation" in 1969. They don't seem to do much. It's catching. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Der_Doppelg=E4nger?= Subject: Re: (kw) "Tour de France" and "Innovations"!? Date: 26 Nov 2001 18:07:51 +0100 >> VIVA will show the '99 Rmx-Version of Kraftwerk's "Tour de France" > don't you have it on the '98 CD ? well, you guys really confuse me by now! :o as far as i know, there's neither a "'99 remix version" nor a "'98 cd" of it! there's *only* the '99 cd re-issue with the old francois kevorkian remix on it! by the way, i still haven't received any answer to my question, which version of the "innovations" is matching the 4 new titels for the 3 new songs by kw! :o "innovation # 1" = ? ("tribal" and / or "nummweltverschmutzung"?) "innovation # 2" = ? ("lichthof" or "tango"?) "innovation # 3" = ? ("nummweltverschmutzung" or "tango" or whatever?) can anybody please enlighten me, which "innovation" has which title? - der etwas verwirrte doppelgänger # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) "Tour de France" and "Innovations"!? Date: 26 Nov 2001 17:27:37 +0000 >by the way, i still haven't received any answer to my question, which >version of the "innovations" is matching the 4 new titels for the 3 new >songs by kw! :o >"innovation # 1" = ? ("tribal" and / or "nummweltverschmutzung"?) >"innovation # 2" = ? ("lichthof" or "tango"?) >"innovation # 3" = ? ("nummweltverschmutzung" or "tango" or whatever?) >can anybody please enlighten me, which "innovation" has which title? Where did this "Innovations" come from? I have lost the thread somewhat. Is it a new track by Kraftwerk? Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Der_Doppelg=E4nger?= Subject: Re: (kw) "Tour de France" and "Innovations"!? Date: 26 Nov 2001 19:34:53 +0100 > Where did this "Innovations" come from? from some kw bootlegs! ;) > I have lost the thread somewhat. me too! :o > Is it a new track by Kraftwerk? "innovations # 1 -3" are *the* 3 new tracks (or songs) by kw! but i'm rather confused with their other titles on other bootlegs, like "tribal", "tango", "lichthof" and "nummweltverschmutzung", not only because you've got 4 different titles for only 3 different songs! :o a coherent explanation is due to this! - der immer noch etwas verwirrte doppelgänger # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Gartner Subject: Re: (kw) "Tour de France" and "Innovations"!? Date: 26 Nov 2001 16:29:26 -0500 > by the way, i still haven't received any answer to my question, which > version of the "innovations" is matching the 4 new titels for the 3 new > songs by kw! :o > "innovation # 1" = ? ("tribal" and / or "nummweltverschmutzung"?) > "innovation # 2" = ? ("lichthof" or "tango"?) > "innovation # 3" = ? ("nummweltverschmutzung" or "tango" or whatever?) > can anybody please enlighten me, which "innovation" has which title? I have always been somewhat skeptical of these "titles" for the new Kraftwerk tracks. In fact, they seem rather arbitrary and used on bootlegs simply for organizational/reference purposes. "Tribal" (as well as "Tribal Gathering") appeared on a few official setlists, but even that is somewhat inconclusive and provided for mere convenience. Until Kraftwerk puts these songs on an official release, they ought to be considered untitled -- and perhaps just demo versions or some extra noodling to put into their live shows. == By the way (and correct me if I'm wrong): The one known as "Tango" is the "Airwaves" extension. It may have been established that this isn't so much a new song as a drastic remake of Airwaves. As such, it should just be called "Airwaves (90's version)" or something. I think "Tribal" (="Nummeltverschmutzung") is the one where the guys dress up in the wireframe outfits. The third one is called "Lichthof", "Techtalk", and a host of other made-up names. We ought to just call this "New Song #3", because I don't think anyone knows the real name. == Of course, Kraftwerk can set all this straight by simply releasing the music. :) -Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Techno Pop...sorry Date: 26 Nov 2001 22:07:44 +0000 Hi kwf's It has struck me - could Kraftwerk have DIGITALLY REMASTERED the Techno Pop record to enable it to be released? I know the reason it wasn't released (among others) was because it was made with analog equipment. We all know that Techno Pop was supposed to be vastly superior to Electric Cafe (in the musical sense). The issue arose to me when I was listening to the "Digitally Remastered" Radio version of Tour de France. Though the track was made with analog equipment, it sounds as if it was made with digital equipment because of the remastering. What was remastering technology like in 1983? Could it be done? Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Shilcock" Subject: (kw) Re: Neon Lights Date: 26 Nov 2001 21:39:35 -0000 > Rick Jansen wrote > Just noticed the "rare Neon Lights" on that page. It indeed sounds like a real thing! Apparently a tryout mix escaped attention... "Apparently..."? "..sounds like.."? What are you getting at? *winks @ ya* This IS indeed the "REAL" thing. It's from the Canadian release of "The Man Machine" LP (cat No. SW11728). I believe it to be a PRE-release version (white label). The matrix numbers being slightly different from the one you know and love (they end with F4 in place of F5 - remember CANADIAN) I agree with you Rick... the released version is the better, cleaner? crisper? version. Keep Werking John www.keepwerking.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: (kw) Re: Neon Lights Date: 26 Nov 2001 23:54:43 +0100 John Shilcock wrote: > > > Rick Jansen wrote > > Just noticed the "rare Neon Lights" on that page. It indeed sounds like a > real thing! Apparently a tryout mix escaped attention... > > "Apparently..."? "..sounds like.."? What are you getting at? *winks @ ya* > > This IS indeed the "REAL" thing. It's from the Canadian release of "The Man > Machine" LP (cat No. SW11728). I believe it to be a PRE-release version > (white label). The matrix numbers being slightly different from the one you > know and love (they end with F4 in place of F5 - remember CANADIAN) > > I agree with you Rick... the released version is the better, cleaner? > crisper? version. Are the other tracks on that album any different from the final release, or is Neon Lights the only track different? Amazing that things like this turn up after all this time! Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl Any spam mail sent to me results in counter measures. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Shilcock" Subject: (kw) Re: Neon Lights Date: 26 Nov 2001 23:17:35 -0000 No, all the other tracks are the same as the final release. "Amazing that things like this turn up after all this time!"??? Not for me.. I've has this LP for 10+ years, maybe even 15+ AND I have mentioned it on this list before, several times in fact.. but those times NO ONE picked up on it! (Must write that down "Be persistent!" *he he*) A couple of people have written wondering if I am interested in selling! Which makes me wonder just how much an item like this is worth? Looking at the prices that other 'rare' items go for when I've seen them all over the place (e.g. box set, red vinyl man machine, original tone float etc etc)... How many times have you seen this item for sale? Keep Werking John www.keepwerking.co.uk ----- > Rick Jansens Original Message ----- > Are the other tracks on that album any different from the final release, > or is Neon Lights the only track different? Amazing that things like this > turn up after all this time! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Neon Lights Date: 27 Nov 2001 00:24:12 +0100 John Shilcock schrieb: > No, all the other tracks are the same as the final release. (...) Maybe it's just "different" because of a mistake in mastering? Georgie -- * http://members.blackbox.net/georgie/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Shilcock" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Neon Lights Date: 26 Nov 2001 23:34:59 -0000 Georg Jajus wrote: > Maybe it's just "different" because of a mistake in mastering? Maybe!.. master it... do a test pressing... they don't like what they hear... do it again... I like that!... makes that item even rarer?... more valuable? Keep Werking John www.keepwerking.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) "Tour de France" and "Innovations"!? Date: 27 Nov 2001 00:38:35 +0100 Eric Gartner schrieb: > (...) > By the way (and correct me if I'm wrong): > > The one known as "Tango" is the "Airwaves" extension. It may have been > established that this isn't so much a new song as a drastic remake of > Airwaves. As such, it should just be called "Airwaves (90's version)" or > something. I think it is a complete (new) song, just in a beta-version and much developable (but I have to say I like it very much) and "Airwaves" was just remixed because it fits so good for an intro. > I think "Tribal" (="Nummeltverschmutzung") is the one where the guys dress > up in the wireframe outfits. Correct. > The third one is called "Lichthof", "Techtalk", and a host of other made-up > names. We ought to just call this "New Song #3", because I don't think > anyone knows the real name. Due, let's say not very enthusiastic reaction of the audience, Kraftwerk canceled this song after just two concerts (Linz, Karlsruhe '97). BTW, I just bought the new Madonna "Drowned world tour" DVD. Last song, "Music" uses IMO some melody- and rhythm-sapmles from "TEE" and / or "Planet Rock" (Africa Bambaata). Gruesse aus Wien Georgie -- * http://members.blackbox.net/georgie/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) "Tour de France" and "Innovations"!? Date: 26 Nov 2001 20:56:41 -0700 (MST) On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Der Doppelg=E4nger wrote: > "innovations # 1 -3" are *the* 3 new tracks (or songs) by kw! > but i'm rather confused with their other titles on other bootlegs, like > "tribal", "tango", "lichthof" and "nummweltverschmutzung", not only bec= ause > you've got 4 different titles for only 3 different songs! :o > a coherent explanation is due to this! We probably won't know for sure until KW themselves assign names by=20 releasing a new album. --=20 /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media" Subject: (kw) VH-1 Date: 27 Nov 2001 08:08:11 +0100 I hear that KW is getting a Greatest Hits program on VH1 Europe (not UK) this week, on Tuesday or Wednesday. Someone might want to look into it. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Neon Lights Date: 27 Nov 2001 10:34:24 +0100 Georg Jajus wrote: > > John Shilcock schrieb: > > > No, all the other tracks are the same as the final release. (...) > > Maybe it's just "different" because of a mistake in mastering? I don't think so, mastering doesn't change one track in a track. This is definitely another mix. Well, not a different mix overall, but one of the tape tracks seems to have been selected differently. Thats what you do, you use several tracks on the tape for the same melody or rhythm, and in the final mix you choose which one you like best. Apparently another tape track was chosen for the final mix at a late stage, even the singing was in place already. Mixing songs is hard work, you hear the same thing over and over and over and over. Easy to get fed up with! Rick Jansen __ rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) Techno Pop...sorry Date: 27 Nov 2001 10:30:10 +0000 Actually, Kraftwerk should not have been so image-conscious. If Techno Pop was a good record, they should have released it, even if it was a little bit "outdated". Tour de France is a better track than anything on Electric Cafe. An answer to my own question. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) VH-1 Date: 27 Nov 2001 11:43:01 +0100 > I hear that KW is getting a Greatest Hits program on VH1 Europe (not UK) > this week, on Tuesday or Wednesday. Someone might want to look into it. Details at http://tv.tv2.dk/tv/index.php?Region=4&KanalID=52&Soegeord=&Dato=0&Periode=2&Kategori=0 : Tirsdag d. 27. november 2001 00:30 Greatest Hits: Kraftwork (sic!) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Prochazka" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Neon Lights Date: 27 Nov 2001 12:58:35 Hi! where i can download this different version of neon lights ? thanks martin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Marcelo=20Figueroa?= Subject: (kw) Re: Neon Lights Date: 27 Nov 2001 12:31:39 -0600 (CST) Martin Prochazka wrote : >Hi! >where i can download this different version of neon >lights ? http://www.keepwerking.co.uk/acoustic.htm (1.4 Mb 1:30) I love this track too Marcelo Figueroa _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? ¿Quieres armar tu própia página Web pero no sabes HTML? Usa los asistentes de edición de Yahoo! Geocities y tendrás un sitio en sólo unos minutos. Visítanos en http://espanol.geocities.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Radioactivity / TEE Box Set Date: 27 Nov 2001 19:34:15 +0100 EMI France has issued a 2-CD box set with "Radioactivity" and "TEE": http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005QAYD/qid=1006955140/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1_1/402-9276848-9036941 Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markus.berzborn@t-online.de (Markus Berzborn) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk entry in SSB guest book Date: 27 Nov 2001 20:28:30 +0100 Last week, Kraftwerk left a message in the guest book of the Synthesizerstudio Bonn memorial site (www.elektropolis.de), signed Ralf Huetter and Florian Schneider, complete with the well-known photo of the Kling Klang studio. I think it's authentic. Nice occasion for all Kraftwerk fans to visit this really interesting website. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Shilcock" Subject: (kw) Expo 2000 and Remixes Date: 27 Nov 2001 19:40:49 -0000 That USA EXPO 2000 2 x 12" set is available in the UK. I saw it in Sister Ray in London today going for =A312. They have "loads" of copies. Keep Werking John www.keepwerking.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Joke Date: 27 Nov 2001 20:10:54 +0000 Thanks to Martin Sage for the original material (a James Bond joke originally). Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk entry in SSB guest book Date: 27 Nov 2001 21:14:51 +0100 Markus Berzborn schrieb: > Last week, Kraftwerk left a message in the guest book of the Synthesizerstudio > Bonn memorial site (www.elektropolis.de), signed Ralf Huetter and Florian > Schneider, complete with the well-known photo of the Kling Klang studio. ...just three robots ;-)? Gruesse aus Wien, Georgie -- * http://members.blackbox.net/georgie/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) Expo 2000 and Remixes Date: 27 Nov 2001 20:35:23 +0000 I reviewed it on Amazon.com. If you think of it as a new album, then you can sleep better at night. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk entry in SSB guest book Date: 27 Nov 2001 22:20:05 +0100 Markus Berzborn wrote: > > Last week, Kraftwerk left a message in the guest book of the Synthesizerstudio > Bonn memorial site (www.elektropolis.de), signed Ralf Huetter and Florian > Schneider, complete with the well-known photo of the Kling Klang studio. I think > it's authentic. Nice occasion for all Kraftwerk fans to visit this really > interesting website. Why would Kraftwerk link the image in that page from: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/aktivitaet/klang0.jpg Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl Any spam mail sent to me results in counter measures. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markus.berzborn@t-online.de (Markus Berzborn) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk entry in SSB guest book Date: 27 Nov 2001 22:32:10 +0100 > Why would Kraftwerk link the image in that page from: > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/aktivitaet/klang0.jpg > > Rick Jansen Good question. Maybe it's really only another hoax by some Kraftwerk fan. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mischoulon@aol.com Subject: (kw) RE: Techno Pop Date: 27 Nov 2001 16:40:35 EST In a message dated Tue, 27 Nov 2001 3:16:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) writes: > We all know that Techno Pop was supposed to be vastly superior to Electric Cafe (in the musical sense). > But do we really know this for sure? The Techno Pop album was never released or bootlegged, so no one has heard the final product. The one or two bootleg demos from that album (supposedly) aren't necessarily better than the versions on Electric Cafe. Is there any evidence that Techno Pop would have been very different from Electric Cafe? David M # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tomas Hansson" Subject: (kw) releases Date: 28 Nov 2001 01:12:47 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C177A9.CAC48660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi anyone who know some good sites who is updated on=20 releases on synth and elektro music.??? //Tomas ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C177A9.CAC48660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C177A9.CAC48660-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Gartner Subject: Re: (kw) releases Date: 27 Nov 2001 20:26:27 -0500 > hi > > anyone who know some good sites who is updated on > releases on synth and elektro music.??? > > //Tomas > http://www.brainwashed.com/releases/ is pretty good. For a while they kept a tantalizing "Kraftwerk: TBA" on the horizon. -Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tadream" Subject: (kw) swordfish Date: 28 Nov 2001 08:01:11 +0100 howdy friends, perhaps i'm a bit out of date with this but yesterday i watched 'swordfish' starring travolta. KW has its approx. 10 secs with one of the TDF remixes played during the movie. home page: http://www.itramp.com.pl/tadream e-mail: tadream@go2.pl icq: 35224126 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tadream" Subject: (kw) swordfish Date: 28 Nov 2001 08:03:09 +0100 sorry, that was TEE i meant ..... (it's wednesday morning ;) home page: http://www.itramp.com.pl/tadream e-mail: tadream@go2.pl icq: 35224126 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) swordfish Date: 28 Nov 2001 00:26:09 -0700 (MST) On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, tadream wrote: > perhaps i'm a bit out of date with this but yesterday i watched 'swordfish' > starring travolta. KW has its approx. 10 secs with one of the TDF remixes > played during the movie. Yes, it's actually a Paul Oakenfold remix of Afrika Bambaataa's Planet Rock 2000 remix of Bambaataa's own earlier wholesale lifting of the TEE beat for the original Planet Rock, which helped introduce KW to North America and fan the flames of what became rap, house, dance and techno. So it's Kraftwerk thrice removed, but still original KW soundwaves beaming themselves into the future after all this time. :) -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "main event" Subject: (kw) kw) Kraftwerk entry in SSB guest book Date: 28 Nov 2001 08:22:02 +0000 So Ralf and Florian surf the net? Perhaps they are members of this mailing list under fake names... Some of us could be Kraftwerk ' Anyone who swims with the current will reach the big music steamship; whoever swims against the current may perhaps reach the source' http://www.mp3.com/mainevent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Discographic question Date: 28 Nov 2001 09:27:00 +0100 Hello, as there are obviously two versions of the US Astralwerks release of "Expo Remix" available (one with 10 tracks, the other with 9 tracks, ommitting the single edit of "Expo 2000"), I was wondering if both are "normal" releases, or if one of them is an oddity / rarity / mispress / promo / demo / whatever? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ola Andersson Subject: Re: (kw) kw) Kraftwerk entry in SSB guest book Date: 28 Nov 2001 10:07:03 +0100 On Wednesday 28 November 2001 09:22, you wrote: > So Ralf and Florian surf the net? Perhaps they are members of this mailing > list under fake names... Some of us could be Kraftwerk I hope it's me! :-) -- Ola Andersson Research Engineer Department of Phonetics Umea University # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dirk Matten" Subject: (kw) members of this mailing list Date: 28 Nov 2001 10:19:42 +0100 Perhaps they are members of this mailing list under fake names... Hi Kraftwerk-fans, Ralf + Florian are not members of this mailing list und fake names. Best regards Dirk Matten ________________________________________________________________ Keine verlorenen Lotto-Quittungen, keine vergessenen Gewinne mehr! Beim WEB.DE Lottoservice: http://tippen2.web.de/?x=13 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) guest book Date: 28 Nov 2001 09:04:42 -0000 If they are members of this list, they are probably the sadistic ba****ds who laugh at us and get our hopes up by teasing us with the rumours of new material. Shaun So Ralf and Florian surf the net? Perhaps they are members of this mailing list under fake names... Some of us could be Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) VH-1 Date: 28 Nov 2001 11:36:42 +0100 > > I hear that KW is getting a Greatest Hits program on VH1 Europe (not > > UK) this week: > > Tirsdag d. 27. november 2001 > 00:30 Greatest Hits: Kraftwork (sic!) Has anybody watched this? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dirk Matten" Subject: (kw) Ralf + Florian in SSB Guestbook Date: 28 Nov 2001 12:04:08 +0100 Hi Kraftwerk-Fans, thank you for your visits to www.elektropolis.de ... and the Kraftwerk ent= ry in my guestbook. I got that credit handwritten by Ralf H=FCtter some weeks ago when I visited= him in D=FCsseldorf. The photo is a "public" one and as by webmaster was on holiday I had to li= nk it from "Aktivit=E4t" - now it's on my server. Best regards Dirk Matten =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F Keine verlorenen Lotto-Quittungen, keine vergessenen Gewinne mehr!=20 Beim WEB.DE Lottoservice: http://tippen2.web.de/=3Fx=3D13 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hajnal Csaba Subject: (kw) Re: Ralf + Florian in SSB Guestbook Date: 28 Nov 2001 12:23:13 +0100 Dirk Matten wrote: "I got that credit handwritten by Ralf Hütter some weeks ago when I visited him in Düsseldorf." The essence is here for me: "I visited him" Could you give us some HOT info about new Kraftwerk things? Did you hear new songs at the studio? Thanks, Csaba # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dirk Matten" Subject: (kw) Ralf + Florian in SSB Guestbook Date: 28 Nov 2001 13:04:16 +0100 >>Hajnal Csaba schrieb am 28.11.01: Dirk Matten wrote: "I got that credit handwritten by Ralf H=FCtter some weeks ago when I visite= d him in D=FCsseldorf." The essence is here for me: "I visited him" Could you give us some HOT info about new Kraftwerk things=3F Did you hear n= ew songs at the studio=3F Thanks, Csaba<< If there is any official, I will let you know! Best regards Dirk Matten =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F Keine verlorenen Lotto-Quittungen, keine vergessenen Gewinne mehr!=20 Beim WEB.DE Lottoservice: http://tippen2.web.de/=3Fx=3D13 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "richard marston" Subject: (kw) M+W's Synthesizerstudio, Bonn Date: 28 Nov 2001 13:56:46 +0000 markus.berzborn@t-online.de (Markus Berzborn) wrote: Last week, Kraftwerk left a message in the guest book of the Synthesizerstudio Bonn memorial site (www.elektropolis.de), signed Ralf Huetter and Florian Schneider, complete with the well-known photo of the Kling Klang studio. I think it's authentic. Nice occasion for all Kraftwerk fans to visit this really interesting website. Interesting site that, and I noticed this: "Conny hat mir auf meinen Wunsch hin noch eine 19 cm/Sek.-Kopie in Stereo-Halbspur-Technik von der geschnittenen Arbeitskopie gemacht. Es klingt viel besser als die Vinyl- und CD-Version, und ich bin sehr stolz drauf" Lucky guy!!


"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, but teach him to use the Net and he won't bother you for weeks." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "richard marston" Date: 28 Nov 2001 14:04:35 +0000 "Der Automat" wrote: The other day I had a discussion with a friend about whether the word EMI is or is not an acronym. What EMI could stand for, we wondered. The Stranglers clamed it meant Every Mistake Imaginable.


"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, but teach him to use the Net and he won't bother you for weeks." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "richard marston" Date: 28 Nov 2001 14:27:49 +0000 wrote: "Subject: RE: (kw) Rare Item?? >Does anyone know for a fact how many of those 12" box sets (with or without T-shirts) actually exist? Yeah. There were 250 boxes produced, and allegedly only 10 of those included the T-shirt. However, those shirts have been reproduced by intelligent third parties, so if a box is without shirt or not is really not important anymore. The only thing that is certain is that there are 250 boxes in total. The four 12" records were pressed in 1000 copies each, so I would assume that there are 750 sets of these four available without box, and the remaining 250 are in the box sets. Not sure if this is correct though - it might be that there are 1000 individual copies of each, apart from the 250 boxes. Does anyone know for sure? Apart from these 1000 copies, there are about a million bootlegs of each one, making it a lot worse. Check the Discography for info on how to differentiate between them. The real ones are always in picture sleeve though, which the fakes usually aren't (they tend to come in generic black or white sleeves). There is also a possibility that someone faked the box as well, and is putting either real promos or fake ones in them.. Not sure about that, but considering the prices these boxes have had, I wouldn't be surprised. Final thing about their availability: even though it appears they're for sale everywhere, and it may be so too, do remember that it's usually the SAME boxes being for sale, month after month.. People just aren't paying the silly prices asked for them. Check GEMM, there are always about 10 boxes for sale, and they've been for sale all of 2001 from the same suppliers... As for the pricing, it's been fluctuating wildly; I've seen everything from $100 to $900, but now things seem to have stabilized a bit. I'd say about $150-$200 is a fair price for a mint box (with or without shirt doesn't matter) Hope this helps :) Peo A truly mint copy would be pretty hard to obtain now I think, as the boxes scratch ever so easily, due to the fact that they are printed but not laminated. When I obtained my Klang Box in 1997 I was told EMI suppplied 'about 10' copies with t-shirts as extra items. Some (either with or without shirts) will also contain an EMI press release letter about the set. A while ago I saw one which was listed as 'with bag' which is intriguing, as the Kraftwerk courier bag wasn't available at the time -- perhaps it's that old supermarket carrier bag Ralf is supposed to have carried the Man Machine masters around in (to avoid being seen carrying anything valuable-looking). The individual 12" disks inside all have white pic sleeves with a black '91 robot graphic on (arrows in red), and there are many of these available as separate items -- my guess is EMI pressed more disks than they had boxes made for. It would be interesting to know who EMI targets as recipients of promo items; radio stations and magazines, yes, but is there a club/DJ list they target?


"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, but teach him to use the Net and he won't bother you for weeks." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Wolfgang Fluer short story Date: 28 Nov 2001 15:33:53 +0100 http://www.dtv.via.t-online.de/Literaturpreis/WolfgangFluer/ (German language) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "richard marston" Subject: (kw) Keep the links! Date: 28 Nov 2001 14:49:13 +0000 Kevin Busby wrote: 'I believe the quote was from Ralf Huetter: "Sometimes we search using engines, and sometimes the engines search using us."' That sounds rather lyrical, like the words to a Hall Of Mirrors kind of song. :-) p.s. Don't lose your links page -- I can't face bookmarking everything myself and at least I feel I can trust your taste & judgement about what gets listed there.


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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Keep the links! / remixes Date: 28 Nov 2001 15:31:02 +0000 richard marston wrote: >Kevin Busby wrote: >'I believe the quote was from Ralf Huetter: "Sometimes we search using >engines, and sometimes the engines search using us."' > >That sounds rather lyrical, like the words to a Hall Of Mirrors kind >of song. :-) I seem to have confused a few people with that sentence. It was just a tiny joke, not a real quote. The real quote was "Sometimes we play the machines and sometimes the machines play us". IIRC, Ralf used this line a lot in interviews during the Man-Machine era... (Correct me if I'm wrong, interview experts!). >p.s. Don't lose your links page -- I can't face bookmarking >everything myself and at least I feel I can trust your taste & >judgement about what gets listed there. OK, thanks for the vote of support! Kevin Ob. Expo 2000 Remix: I have not bought, and am unlikely to buy, any of the remix releases. Why? Because I reckon the mixes are as dull as dishwater. There's no point in just adding techno cliches and name-dropping Detroit. I have only heard (long) extracts, so I am perhaps being very unfair (someone tell me!) but bearing in mind all the people who would have dared to do something radical with this material (Aphex Twin, Bertrand Burgalat, Francois Kervorkian again...!) this sounds like a pretty pointless project to me. Perhaps though the fault is not with the remixers, but with the limitations that were imposed on them? -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) Keep the links! / remixes Date: 28 Nov 2001 16:40:09 +0100 Kevin Busby wrote: > > ...The real quote was "Sometimes we play > the machines and sometimes the machines play us". IIRC, Ralf used > this line a lot in interviews during the Man-Machine era... (Correct > me if I'm wrong, interview experts!). I know the quote as "Sometimes the machines surprise us, and sometimes we surprise the machines." I wouldn't take these quotes from interviews terribly serious though :-) Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl Any spam mail sent to me results in counter measures. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Marcelo=20Figueroa?= Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk entry in SSB guest book Date: 28 Nov 2001 10:56:42 -0600 (CST) main event wrote: >So Ralf and Florian surf the net? Perhaps they are >members of this mailing >list under fake names... Some of us could be Kraftwerk YOU GOT US !!! ;-) Ralf 'KRAFT' Hutter & Florian 'WERK' Schneider _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? ¿Quieres armar tu própia página Web pero no sabes HTML? Usa los asistentes de edición de Yahoo! Geocities y tendrás un sitio en sólo unos minutos. Visítanos en http://espanol.geocities.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Claycomb Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk entry in SSB guest book Date: 28 Nov 2001 12:07:38 -0500 > From: Marcelo Figueroa > main event wrote: > >So Ralf and Florian surf the net? Perhaps they are >members of this mailing >list under fake names... Some of us could be Kraftwerk > > YOU GOT US !!! ;-) > > Ralf 'KRAFT' Hutter & Florian 'WERK' Schneider Ha ha ha ha ha Good one!!!!! ;) I wish it were that easy!!!! :D And I wish Kraftwerk would tell us fans what to expect in the future... like new material of what will happen. Doesn't ahve to be much just a few words.. "Hey guys. we're workin' on it!!!! Or mmm sorry guys we're taking a very long break!!!!..... anything would be great to kill the guessing game!!!!! Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac UniQue Werkx # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) Wolfgang Fluer short story Date: 28 Nov 2001 18:15:33 +0100 Klaus Zaepke schrieb am 28.11.2001 15:33 Uhr MEZ: >=20 >=20 > http://www.dtv.via.t-online.de/Literaturpreis/WolfgangFluer/ > (German language) We shouldn't forget that already in 1901 Thomas Mann proved his knowledge about these things with the golden words: "... sie sind endg=FCltig abgetan, sie ziehen ab, und Hagenstr=F6ms r=FCcken mit Kling und Klang an ihre Stelle" (Buddenbrooks, p 599). Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: (kw) FW: Cleaner Date: 28 Nov 2001 17:41:09 -0000 Just spotted that "Audio Cleaning Lab" at http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005NN8W/qid%3D1006904616/202-214 0099-2835838 Going for just £10! Keep Werking John www.keepwerking.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Claycomb" Subject: RE: (kw) Ralf + Florian in SSB Guestbook Date: 28 Nov 2001 20:48:27 -0500 ~ -----Original Message----- ~=20 ~ Hi Kraftwerk-Fans, ~ thank you for your visits to www.elektropolis.de ... and the Kraftwerk ~ entry in my guestbook. ~=20 ~ I got that credit handwritten by Ralf H=FCtter some weeks ago when I visited ~ him in D=FCsseldorf. ~ The photo is a "public" one and as by webmaster was on holiday I had to ~ link it from "Aktivit=E4t" - now it's on my server. ~=20 ~ Best regards ~=20 ~ Dirk Matten Interesting indeed!!! So how were you able to visit R & F?!?!? Got connections somehow?!?! *very_puzzled_look* :| Got info.. more importantly.... do you have any confirmations of new stuff?!?!?=20 Hee hee=20 -----------Please cut along the dotted line------------- Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac UniQue Werkx >>---------------------><-------------------------<< # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Gartner Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Ralf + Florian in SSB Guestbook Date: 28 Nov 2001 22:07:02 -0500 > The essence is here for me: "I visited him" > > Could you give us some HOT info about new Kraftwerk things? Did you hear new > songs at the studio? I'm not sure if you were on this list a few months ago, but Dirk has built some equipment for Kraftwerk. It's always exciting when someone a little "closer" to Kraftwerk posts on our list! Thanks for putting the guest book entry in proper context, Dirk! It's maddening when you suspect someone has "HOT info" and won't tell, but in a way it's also comforting that the Kraftwerk mystique is sufficiently and respectfully preserved. If you visit Ralf again, Dirk, say hi for us! -Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Claycomb" Subject: RE: (kw) Thank You Dirk!!! Re: Ralf + Florian in SSB Guestbook Date: 28 Nov 2001 22:58:29 -0500 Oh man!! That's right!!!! Dirk..... Thank you for posting!!!!!! Oi vey! It's been a looooong day!!! ------------Please cut along the dotted line------------- Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac UniQue Werkx >>---------------------><-------------------------<< ~ -----Original Message----- ~ From: owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner- ~ ~ ~ > The essence is here for me: "I visited him" ~ > ~ > Could you give us some HOT info about new Kraftwerk things? Did you hear ~ new ~ > songs at the studio? ~ ~ I'm not sure if you were on this list a few months ago, but Dirk has built ~ some equipment for Kraftwerk. It's always exciting when someone a little ~ "closer" to Kraftwerk posts on our list! Thanks for putting the guest book ~ entry in proper context, Dirk! ~ ~ It's maddening when you suspect someone has "HOT info" and won't tell, but ~ in a way it's also comforting that the Kraftwerk mystique is sufficiently ~ and respectfully preserved. If you visit Ralf again, Dirk, say hi for us! ~ ~ -Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dirk Matten" Subject: (kw) Ralf + Florian Date: 29 Nov 2001 08:03:05 +0100 >>If you visit Ralf again, Dirk, say hi for us! -Eric Hi Eric, yes for sure - I will do that, defintely!!! Keep synchronized Dirk Matten =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F Die sch=F6nsten Ski-Regionen der Alpen - jetzt bei Ferienklick.de http://ferienklick.de/ski/=3FPP=3D2-5-100-105-38 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hajnal Csaba Subject: (kw) I was on concert... Date: 29 Nov 2001 16:23:33 +0100 I was on Kraftwerk's concert in Budapest (Hungary) exactly ten years ago, on 29th of November. 1981 - Kraftwerk in Budapest 1991 - Kraftwerk in Budapest 2001 - Any surprise? ;-))) Notice for Hungarian members: szívesen felvenném a kapcsolatot magyar listatagokkal! -Csaba # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) swordfish Date: 29 Nov 2001 13:07:54 +0100 Soleil Lapierre wrote: > On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, tadream wrote: > > > perhaps i'm a bit out of date with this but yesterday i watched 'swordfish' > > starring travolta. KW has its approx. 10 secs with one of the TDF remixes > > played during the movie. > > Yes, it's actually a Paul Oakenfold remix of Afrika Bambaataa's Planet > Rock 2000 remix of Bambaataa's own earlier wholesale lifting of the TEE > beat for the original Planet Rock, which helped introduce KW to North > America and fan the flames of what became rap, house, dance and techno. Movie credits provide us with more details: "Planet Rock (Swordfish Mix)" Written by Arthur Baker (I), John Robie, Afrika Bambaataa, John Miller, Ellis Williams, Robert Allen, Ralf Huetter, Emil Schult, Florian Schneider-Esleben and Karl Bartos. Performed by Paul Oakenfold Presents Afrika Bambaataa and Soul Sonic Force. Courtesy of Tommy Boy Music. http://us.imdb.com/Soundtracks?0244244 DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Huetter/Schneider e-mail address? Date: 30 Nov 2001 00:12:45 +0000 Hi Just wondering is it at all possible to e-mail Ralf or Florian? Just to tell them how great they are Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) Huetter/Schneider e-mail address? Date: 29 Nov 2001 18:40:12 -0700 (MST) On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Robert Evans wrote: > Just wondering is it at all possible to e-mail Ralf or Florian? > Just to tell them how great they are I think that would be the #2 reason for them NOT to reveal their e-mail addresses - too much mail to deal with. The #1 reason would be people asking when the next album is due. :) -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Claycomb" Subject: RE: (kw) Ralf + Florian Date: 29 Nov 2001 23:28:40 -0500 ~ -----Original Message----- ~ From: owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner- ~] On Behalf Of Dirk Matten ~ =20 ~=20 ~ >>If you visit Ralf again, Dirk, say hi for us! ~=20 ~ -Eric ~=20 ~=20 ~ Hi Eric, ~ yes for sure - I will do that, defintely!!! ~=20 ~ Keep synchronized ~=20 ~ Dirk Matten ~ ________________________________________________________________________ __ ~ ____ ~ Die sch=F6nsten Ski-Regionen der Alpen - jetzt bei Ferienklick.de ~ http://ferienklick.de/ski/?PP=3D2-5-100-105-38 Wow!!!!! That's really kewl!!!=20 Thanx again Dirk!!!!=20 BTW.... are you a musician?!?! ;) Have any music online?!?!? :D ------------Please cut along the dotted line------------- Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac UniQue Werkx >>---------------------><-------------------------<< # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "main event" Subject: (kw) Re: KW e-mail address Date: 30 Nov 2001 09:01:23 +0000 Hi everyone... Let their privacy be respected and just sit back and enjoy the great music they have produced.. ' Anyone who swims with the current will reach the big music steamship; whoever swims against the current may perhaps reach the source' http://www.mp3.com/mainevent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Dean" Subject: (kw) kraftwerk - boring... Date: 30 Nov 2001 09:39:40 +0000 Personally I'm getting rather bored with Kraftwerk! I appreciate their music and what they achieved and I still look out for whatever rare releases I can find, but I'm getting bored with it all! I've been on the mailing list since 1998 and all there is is us fans moaning whether there's any new material coming out. TDF rerelease was welcome, but they could also have released a maxi with the better mixes, like the original 12" or 2e Etappe for example. Expo was a nice surprise, but only 2 songs - 4 mixes in total, that's pathetic when it's been 10 years since anything 'new'! Then the 6 Expo remixes, not even by KW itself, well that CD's gathering dust in my CD cabinet. If I see an old single on the market I'll buy it, but the latest E2K or TDF 12" I refuse to buy as there is simply no point - nothing special! Also, the way Kraftwerk hold their loyal fans in disregard is just terrible. Most good groups at least write/release new material, at the most withing a couple of years, or they split up and there is that feeling of closure. Kraftwerk don't give us that closure feeling, they just keep us hanging on, waiting for new material that is obviously never going to come. They never communicate with their fans, we have no means of communicating with them at all, they barely perform live, just sitting away in their studio while we're just kept waiting... Isn't this just a joke? At this rate, John Lennon will release new songs before KW does... Why can't they just release SOMETHING special, like a new album or unreleased tracks, even the old Techno Pop, anything, or just have a press conference and call it quits? Even Neu! has released their old stuff officially nowadays, KW haven't even bothered with their old albums - fans want it, but they couldn't be arsed. Matt - disgruntled and bored KW fan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Huetter/Schneider e-mail address? Date: 30 Nov 2001 11:13:24 +0100 >Just wondering is it at all possible to e-mail Ralf or Florian? > >Just to tell them how great they are They know it fairly well.... They are very concerned about their image. they asked dm 400.000 to make a jingle, they wouldn't have asked so much if they didn't know they were the best don't you think? Arnaud # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media" Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk - boring... Date: 30 Nov 2001 12:48:13 +0100 It is not Kraftwerk that has a problem here - you do. You have expectations. That's why you are bored, because you expect them to do what you want and what most other artists do. Zero your expectations, Kraftwerk doesnt do anything wrong. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) Huetter/Schneider e-mail address? Date: 30 Nov 2001 12:04:35 +0000 >They know it fairly well.... It's the not the point that they know they are great, I might get a reply, that's the point.. I know Wolfgang has a publically available e-mail address, which is why I thought of the other two. Also, it's hardly an invasion of privacy to send someone an e-mail, I get crap all the time that I have to deal with. All they have to do is ignore it, like everyone else. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk - boring... Date: 30 Nov 2001 12:18:35 +0000 Hi again >It is not Kraftwerk that has a problem here - you do. You have >expectations. >That's why you are bored, because you expect them to do what you want and >what most other artists do. > >Zero your expectations, Kraftwerk doesnt do anything wrong. Kraftwerk NEVER promise anything, making the times when they release material all the more rewarding. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mischoulon@aol.com Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #611 Date: 30 Nov 2001 09:05:24 EST <> I think they already know. ;) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: volvo1971@att.net Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk - boring... Date: 30 Nov 2001 17:02:37 +0000 I understand your feelings about being frustrated with no new material from KW. But KW doesn't owe us anything. If they decide to release something new, wonderful. If not, oh, well. There are plenty of artists who used to top the charts, then decided to produce or write and perform for other purposes such as incidental music for TV or films (like Devo's Mark Mothersby (sic) or The Police's Stuart Copeland). I Think KW is doing what they want right now...whatever that might be. I sort of think of it as a semi-retirement, at least from what we want them to be. After all R & F are in their 50s, aren't they? I'm not suggesting that they no longer can write music or be innovative. Maybe they are content with the indelible mark they made in music. Maybe it's my "Old age" speaking (I'm 33), but I'm not angry at them for their "silence." I'm also not angry at them for what some feel is a disregard for their fans. Like all of us, they have a right to privacy. Some people are more private than others. I don't think KW planned to make music history when they started tinkering with electronic sounds and industrial rhythms (all around) some 30 years ago. But they did and were thrust into the spotlight. Since then, they have given us so much...not just the recordings they made, but the other types of music that now exist thanks to them. My only hope is that they are happy with whatever they do, and know that there are many fans who love and appreciate what they have done. (Now I feel like hugging somebody!) Mike F > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) VH-1 Date: 30 Nov 2001 18:35:09 +0100 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > > I hear that KW is getting a Greatest Hits program on VH1 Europe (not > > > UK) this week: > > > > Tirsdag d. 27. november 2001 > > 00:30 Greatest Hits: Kraftwork (sic!) > > Has anybody watched this? I taped it but haven't watched it yet. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin Olson Subject: (kw) Video background music Date: 30 Nov 2001 12:54:44 -0500 Hi all, I was just wondering if any of ya knew what track the background music of this video http://www.kraftwerk.de/flash/video_1.html is from... Sounds like there's a snippet of expo2000 in there, but maybe I'm deluded (or missing something very obvious : ) ) At any rate, the meta tag keywords for the page kinda crack me up : "Antenne, electronic music, international music, Karlsruhe, Klingklang, KRAFTWERK, Musik, official, offiziell, pop music, techno music, Tour de France,Modern Concepts" Modern concepts indeed : ) thanks in advance, -martin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Video background music Date: 30 Nov 2001 21:17:35 +0100 > >"Antenne, electronic music, international music, Karlsruhe, Klingklang, >KRAFTWERK, Musik, official, offiziell, pop music, techno music, Tour de >France,Modern Concepts" Why Karlsruhe? They live in Duesseldorf don't they? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Gartner Subject: Re: (kw) Video background music Date: 30 Nov 2001 17:33:55 -0500 > I was just wondering if any of ya knew what track the background music of > this video http://www.kraftwerk.de/flash/video_1.html is from... Sounds > like there's a snippet of expo2000 in there, but maybe I'm deluded (or > missing something very obvious : ) ) That's either the Underground Resistance remix of Expo 2000, or something remarkably similar. > At any rate, the meta tag keywords for the page kinda crack me up : > > "Antenne, electronic music, international music, Karlsruhe, Klingklang, > KRAFTWERK, Musik, official, offiziell, pop music, techno music, Tour de > France,Modern Concepts" > > Modern concepts indeed : ) ModernConcepts.net is the company responsible for Kraftwerk's web site. They are mentioned in the Expo 2000 liner notes, I believe. -Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Album suggestion Date: 01 Dec 2001 00:18:07 +0000 I might have said it before, but there is enough material from "Tour de France", "Expo 2000" and "Expo Remix" to produce an album, it's a question of picking the best of the tracks on them. I pick 6 tracks to make a 35 minute album, they are: 1 Expo 2000 6.48/ 2 Expo 2002 5.36/ 3 Expo 2000 Orbital Mix 4.55/ 4 Expo 2000 Francois K Mix 7.20/5 Expo 2000 DJ Rolando Mix 7.29/ 6 Tour de France Radio Mix 3.07. Name of the album? Expo 2000 of course! Maybe submit this to EMI? hehe Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk - boring... Date: 30 Nov 2001 21:15:43 -0500 >>> Isn't this just a joke? At this rate, John Lennon will release new songs before KW does... Why can't they just release SOMETHING special, like a new album or unreleased tracks, even the old Techno Pop, anything, or just have a press conference and call it quits? Even Neu! has released their old stuff officially nowadays, KW haven't even bothered with their old albums - fans want it, but they couldn't be arsed. <<< Yeah, and 2Pac, another dead guy, releases two double-CD sets a year. KW, I think, has been taking PR lessons from the late Stanley Kubrick. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Huggy Bear" Subject: (kw) OT - Silenced? Date: 30 Nov 2001 23:56:13 -0500 To all my friends, around the world. This is primarily to the listowners of the lists I'm sending this out to, but if anyone else is interested... Things do not look good for my ISP - the @home service is going bankrupt, (really suprising, considering what they charge) and they may well pull the plug this weekend. If they do, I will be incommunicado via E-mail until it's resolved. Comcast (my actual ISP) is attempting to get an injunction to prevent it, but as of this writing, it still stands, and sometime this weekend (some sources say it could be as early as 3-4:am EST (0800-0900 UTC) Saturday we could lose our Internet service. So, if you suddenly don't hear from me for a while, and my E-mail starts bouncing, rest assured that it's not because I don't love you anymore...and I will be back. You can't keep a good man down. Huggy Bear, a.k.a. Bill N8TLC Warren, Michigan, USA In all the countries I've been to, everyone understands a smile. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/