From: lbo Subject: (kw) new TdF image Date: 01 Aug 1997 00:31:36 +0200 >P.S. Noone has commented yet on the new Tour de France image at >www.kraftwerk.com I went to see this image after I read here that they substituted the faces of Bartos and Fluer, but I could not have spotted the faces character, the image was too granulose. I was using 800x600, 65k colors... maybe I didn't wait enough? does somebody really recognize characters in those faces? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) Musicomix Date: 01 Aug 1997 00:31:33 +0200 >Niem=F6ller, but the Musicomix insert contained pictures of Ralf &= Florian's I never see this Musicomix, ever in the K pages around. can somebody tell me if is viewable (sp?) somewhere or what it is? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Date: 01 Aug 1997 08:15:51 GMT jbv wrote: >This is typical to the overall atmosphere of this list :=20 >a discussion about political dimensions of KW lyrics turns quickly=20 >into a discussion about Ralf's possible love affair with his bikes=20 >or his sister... Er, I think you'll find that it DOES have a bearing on the question that was posed to the list. the question asked by Rich. P was whether Ralf has a girlfriend, and if not, why not.=20 I simply replied that he probably is more in love with his bikes, and has no time for anything else. I DID NOT imply anywhere that a incestuous relationship was possible. Listen, we've had this discussion about what goes on in the list before, and I don't think you, or anybody else has the right to tell me what I should post, or for that matter what subjects we may discuss. I suggest you read the post again, and properly this time. The part at the end was a light hearted 'aside' from the actual reply I was trying to get across. If you want a 'stiff' list, go find another one. jeeeesus.......ROBOT where are you? Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Musicomix Date: 01 Aug 1997 08:21:04 GMT lbo wrote: >I never see this Musicomix, ever in the K pages around. > >can somebody tell me if is viewable (sp?) somewhere or what it is? Yes, it is on Kevin busby's pages as below:- http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/ jbv, y'see I do contribute to the list. I scanned the bloody thing!!! Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Date: 01 Aug 1997 14:19:26 +0100 OK, Jules. Let's take it easy. I don't want this to turn quickly into a stupid argument, like it happens too many times on too many other lists. So let's keep a good atmosphere on this one. I just want to give some precisions. We are both adult people, so let's talk calmly like adult people. > Listen, we've had this discussion about what goes on in the list > before, and I don't think you, or anybody else has the right to tell > me what I should post, or for that matter what subjects we may > discuss. You are 100% right. Every member is totally free to post anything he wants on this list, and I surely have no right and no reason to decide what should be posted or not. Furthermore, I think that in a recent past, I also had my share of interesting and stupid postings as well. And yes, your message was an answer to the question whether Ralf has a girl friend or not. However, I still think that your posting was awkward : in this context, I don't see any reason to mention that Ralf lives with his sister. Furthermore, if I remember correctly (sorry, no time to check), Bussy's book also mentions that he lives with other members of his family (apart from his sister), and that he has a "friend" named Sandhya Whaley whose voice can be heard on the song "the telephone call". > I DID NOT imply anywhere that a > incestuous relationship was possible. May be do I have a problem with my libido that leads me to strange interpretations... Another awkward aspect of this thing is that the same thread (The Robots as a political song) was used for this new discussion : I have the feeling it just put an end to the previous discussion which I found pretty interesting, and I kind of regret it... > If you want a 'stiff' list, go find another one. Jeeesus ! This is the last thing I want !!!!!!!!! > Further to that, don't fucking question my interest in Kraftwerk. Actually, I was not questioning anyone's interest in KW. I was just regretting that the centers of interest of many KW fans rarely go beyond a certain step... Like basic facts... Even Bussy's book is highly disapointing on that matter. But the way I did post my reaction to that point was certainly awkward. > I have been a fan for many, many years, have you? Were you at ALL the > tours and appearances in the last 20 years? I must say that I didn't have that privilege, and I envy you, really. If we are about to deliver the trophy to the best KW fan, I can say that I bought their first album circa 1971, and that I saw them live for the first time in the suburbs of Paris in 1973. And when parts of that show were broadcasted on french TV a couple of weeks later (on Pop 2 program, I think) on saturday afternoon, I had a big fight with my father who wanted to watch soccer on the other channel. -------------------------- Jules, I know you've been on this list much longer than me. You also certainly noticed that email is a terrible bootleneck regarding communication between people, and leads too often to misunderstandings, because a large part of the countless shades of human attitudes disapear in that media. Furthermore, several lists members are not 100% fluent in english, and differences between cultural backgrounds increase the problem. I think it's a good reason to be very careful in the way we post to a list, and to try to keep things going as cool as possible, but also to preserve some intellectual & cultural level. Are we still good friends ? Are we gonna shake hands at Karlruhe meeting ? jbv jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Old TV shows Date: 01 Aug 1997 14:39:32 +0100 Hey, folks, listen : in a very recent message to Jules I wrote : > I saw them live for the first time in the suburbs of Paris in 1973. > And when parts of that show were broadcasted on french TV a couple > of weeks later (on Pop 2 program, I think) on saturday afternoon, > I had a big fight with my father who wanted to watch soccer on the > other channel. And suddenly, that made me think of something : I remember that at the same period (ca 71 - 73), the same Pop 2 program played recordings of live appearances of various german bands (including CAN), and other interesting stuff (Soft Machine, etc.) You certainly remember than a few years ago a CD box set was released featuring live Peel sessions of Soft Machine at the show "Top Gear". I think I also came across a bootleg of Pink Floyd gigs recorded by the italian RAI. I know that the tapes of all french TV shows are store somewhere by a national institute called INA. And I was wondering if copies of those recordings could be available... I'm not yet thinking of bootleg or commercial use. Just wondering whether they could be seen again... If it's been discussed before or if anyone has info on this, please let me know before I spend hours on the telephone ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) kw: KW tour? Don't think so... Date: 01 Aug 1997 14:33:59 +0200 >> jbv wrote: >> >> Anyone interested in following the forthcoming KW tour ? >> >From Linz to Karlsruhe to... >> >> Let's hope they'll go as far as New Delhi, Tokyo & Sydney, just >> like in 81. No, I don't think that there will be a Kraftwerk tour. Ralf & Florian don't like going on tour very much, that's a reason why they canceld a lot of planned (and fixed) concerts '91 in America and other places out of europe. So, why should they go on tour now? They just give a concert if they like, and they also release a new album just if they like. So there will be no more concerts after Linz and Karlsruhe, except maybe just one or two more Gigs. But the Mensch-Maschine is still alive. That's kraftwerkish... Georgie Chain reaction and mutation, contaminated population... Stop radioactivity! -------------------------- http://www.kraftwerk.com -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: (kw) Release dates Date: 01 Aug 1997 15:41:52 +0200 The new album by Kraftwerk is set for release in October now, according to Norwegian EMI. See http://www.internet.no/pan/Artikler/host97.html, which also includes a picture of the group. Has the reissue of The Man Machine been released yet? Wasn't July 23 mentioned as the date for this release? Joar, consulting the Fan Machine -- Joar Grimstvedt, joarg@hsr.no /// WWW: Enigma/Sandra http://www.stud.his.no/~joarg/ /// Eschew obfuscation. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) (test message) Date: 01 Aug 1997 09:47:32 -0400 (EDT) My final test message (I hope) from my new address (nebulous@erols.com) For those who I am often in separate contact with (Jules, Craig, Adam, Larry, ROBOT, Jessica, etc..), please make a note of it. Thanks again, folks. -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "We start to move...and we break the glass..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Re: Tickets for Linz Date: 01 Aug 1997 15:35:45 +0200 alpezi@zilli.priv.at writes: >Hi! >Ticket pre-sale for Kraftwerk at Linz on 16th of October will start on >Thu 28th of August 14.00 MEST. This means I have to wait four long weeks? Oh no... >Further Infos: +43-732-781800 Aaaah! THX very much...732 is the city code for Linz? (Also die Vorwahl, wie k=F6nnen uns eh Deutsch verst=E4ndigen...?) >Greetings from Austria >zilli Greetings from Austria again! Sch=F6ne Gr=FC=DFe aus Wien! Ganz im Sinne von Ralf & Florian: Nous allons danser! Georgie Chain reaction and mutation, contaminated population... Stop radioactivity! -------------------------- http://www.kraftwerk.com --=20 ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Change of e-address. Date: 01 Aug 1997 07:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Fellow Werkers, Hi there people. Just a quick note to let you know that I've established my presence at my new e-mail address. From now on, I can be reached at nebulous@erols.com -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "In Vienna we sit..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Old TV shows Date: 01 Aug 1997 20:10:09 +0100 I made a couple of phone calls and here are some more infos. The tapes of those shows are certainly at INA. I mean not only the shows that were actually broadcasted (featuring only excerpts of the shows + interviews) but also the full-length rushes of the gigs. As for INA, they don't allow individuals to view their archives (which IMO is a fucking attitude since their archives are public property and since they live on public funds). Anyway. But as the manager of a (small) multimedia production company with some sort of further project (I'll make up some story), I could view those tapes. Provided that I first give them all usefull info regarding those gigs (+ some money) so that they can retrieve the tapes through their huge data base. Fortunately, I have a very good memory. I was still a teenager at that time, but I remember fairly good that I spent almost every saturday afternoon stuck on the TV screen (which is not good for my sight, I know...). And I remember that they played large excerpts of the festival of german electronic music that took place in Boulogne-Billancourt near Paris in 1973. I also remember a few other programs about CAN, Soft Machine, etc... So I'm gonna fax them a list (the more accurate the info on the list, the shorter the search time, and the smaller the fees). After that, they'll tell me whether they still have the videos / films / whatever, and they'll fix an appointment for viewing the stuff. The viewing rate (no, it's not a peep-show) is about 60$ per hour. They don't give video copies of their stuff (even bad quality VHS). Of course, further projects have to be negociated with them (they act as representative of TV producers), but also with the bands if it's music material (however, they told me they own all the rights for a lot of stuff they recorded in the past). The first 2 things to check are : 1- the technical quality of the recordings (but some BBC live recordings made at the same period of time - 70 to 73 - are surprisingly good, made straight from the mixing board) 2- the musical quality of the performances (let's hope it's not too dated) OK. If anyone has some clever suggestion regarding the content or possible further use of the material, feel free. Only remember that it concerns archives of the french national radio / TV. Speaking of radio, there might also be several gigs on tape without pictures. I remember hearing excerpts of the 1976 KW gig in Paris on the national radio. I even dubbed it back then, but the dog of my girlfriend ate the tape a few months later. I cried a lot. I wonder how many people could be interested in a compilation of that kind of stuff. The 1973 festival featured LOTS of german bands. Anyone knows if commercial use of similar stuff has already been done ? DVD seems a nice medium for mixing videos and soundtracks of performances, interviews, etc... As you can see, it's just a rough idea. Perhaps it will lead to nothing. Who knows ? The only thing that seems quite sure, is that bootleg of that kind of material is almost impossible : I understood that some code is embeded with the material itself, so that it can be traced in case of unauthorized copies. OK. Enough. Time for dinner. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) kw: KW tour? Don't think so... Date: 01 Aug 1997 20:20:22 +0100 Georg Jajus wrote: > > > No, I don't think that there will be a Kraftwerk tour. Ralf & Florian > don't like going on tour very much, that's a reason why they canceld a > lot of planned (and fixed) concerts '91 in America and other places out > of europe. > So, why should they go on tour now? They just give a concert if they Frankly, I had the same feeling from the beginning. Anyway, if there are only a few dates, the tour will be even easier to follow. However, I think that the release of an album of new material after 11 years is important enough to justify several promo gigs (I know how record companies think), and after all, there might be a chance of more than 3 or 4 dates (but definetly not a world tour). Or perhaps the men-machine have changed. they are now gentlemen in their 50s and perhaps did they meet some young groupies in their 20s who pumped all their money, asking for fur coats, jewellery and sport cars. Or perhaps like Bob Dylan some years ago, R&F have to release some new material and play live again in order to raise enough money to pay their divorce (with their respective wives, I mean). Or perhaps did they loose huge amounts of money at the casino and need to pay lots of debts... Who knows ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Paris 1973 concert Date: 01 Aug 1997 22:45:26 +0000 > I saw them live for the first time in the suburbs of Paris in 1973. Do you remember any details from this concert? If so, how about writing a short review for the list, please? :-) > And when parts of that show were broadcasted on french TV a couple > of weeks later (on Pop 2 program, I think) on saturday afternoon, Also, may I ask if you remember any details from the Kraftwerk part of this broadcast (length, setlist)? > The tapes of those shows are certainly at INA. I mean not only > the shows that were actually broadcasted (featuring only excerpts of > the shows + interviews) but also the full-length rushes of the gigs. ARTE has recently shown a short excerpt from this show, but not the Kraftwerk part, typically... ;-) > OK. If anyone has some clever suggestion regarding the content > or possible further use of the material, feel free. Kraftwerk performed also on Pop 2 in 1978 (October 15th, AFAIK). Maybe you could also check this show, if possible? > I remember hearing excerpts of the 1976 KW gig in Paris on the national > radio. Was the original transmission longer than the 25 minutes which are known from various bootlegs? Thanks in advance for any more details, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Release dates Date: 01 Aug 1997 16:47:14 -0400 Does anyone know if the US release of the new KW album have a release date or even a label???? Has anyone had success in contacting Elektra or Warner Bros. regarding our favorite band? Has the band returned to Capitol/EMI in the US? Does anyone know???? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Which Songs? Date: 02 Aug 1997 16:02:18 +0200 I think everybody want's to know which songs Kraftwerk will play in Karlsruhe and in Linz. If the program is the same (I think it will be) as at Tribal Gathering, the list would be: NUMBERS, HOMECOMPUTER, THE MAN MACHINE / DIE MENSCH MASCHINE, TOUR DE FRANCE, AUTOBAHN, RADIOACTIVITY, TRANS EUROPE EXPRESS / METAL ON METAL / ABZUG, POCKET CALCULATOR / DENTAKU, THE ROBOTS, ! NEW SONG ?, MUSIC NON STOP. We will see and hear... Georgie Chain reaction and mutation, contaminated population... Stop radioactivity! -------------------------- http://www.kraftwerk.com -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) new TdF image Date: 02 Aug 1997 16:36:20 +0200 lbo@iol.it writes: >I went to see this image after I read here that they substituted the >faces of Bartos and Fluer, but I could not have spotted the faces >character, the image was too granulose. >I was using 800x600, 65k colors... maybe I didn't wait enough? does >somebody really recognize characters in those faces? For me, they all look same...I also couldn't recognize them. Maybe all are substituted with Ralf's head. Very kraftwerkish... Maybe the resolution of the picture is to low...if the order ist the same as they are standing in the concert it would be 1. Ralf H=FCtter 2. Henning Schmitz 3. Fritz Hilpert (or the other way round) 4. Florian Schneider. Georgie Chain reaction and mutation, contaminated population... Stop radioactivity! -------------------------- http://www.kraftwerk.com --=20 ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ferm=EDn?=" Subject: RE: (kw) new TdF image Date: 02 Aug 1997 17:41:41 +0200 >>> For me, they all look same...I also couldn't recognize them. Maybe all are substituted with Ralf's head. Very kraftwerkish... Maybe the resolution of the picture is to low...if the order ist the same as they are standing in the concert it would be 1. Ralf Hütter 2. Henning Schmitz 3. Fritz Hilpert (or the other way round) 4. Florian Schneider. <<< I think the first three cyclers are Ralf and the latter one Florian. np: Neon lights # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Tips for Linz / Posthof Date: 02 Aug 1997 17:51:29 +0200 How to get to the Posthof if you come by train (THX to Harald): Bus Nr.21 ab Hauptbahnhof (genau davor) bis Hafen (Endstation), Buskarten bereits an der Haltestelle l=F6sen, der Automat akzeptiert=20 100 =F6S-Scheine. Mini=3Deinfache Fahrt, Midi=3DRetour, Maxi=3DTageskarte Translation (sorry for my bad english): Take Bus Nr. 21 in front of the main train-station of Linz and go till 'Hafen', it's the terminal station of th line. Bus tickets are available at the station, the ticket-o-mat accepts 100.- ATS notes. Mini =3D one way, midi =3D return, maxi =3D one day ticket. I hope I helped U! In Linz beginnt's... Georgie Chain reaction and mutation, contaminated population... Stop radioactivity! -------------------------- http://www.kraftwerk.com --=20 ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Wolfgang Fluer on German TV Date: 02 Aug 1997 23:45:51 +0000 I've been told that Wolfgang Fluer will appear on a German music TV channel (VIVA, I guess?...) sometime in August, presenting his personal Top Ten videos and doing an interview. Does anyone know any more details about this broadcast (channel, date, time, etc.)? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) UK "The Man Machine" re-release Date: 02 Aug 1997 23:45:51 +0000 > Has the reissue of The Man Machine been released yet? Wasn't July 23 > mentioned as the date for this release? I've been told (from a third person, *not* directly from EMI!) that "the album is currently postponed until further notice, they [EMI] couldn't give a reason." Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Klaus Dinger News Date: 02 Aug 1997 23:45:51 +0000 Taken from the Klaus Dinger WWW pages (http://www.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/people/gawlista/mucke/dinger.html): > NEU!-Verhandlungen scheitern erneut (diesmal an M. Rother - > Details in Kuerze (hier) im www); Produktion der zweiten la! > NEU? mit Wicki, Andreas + Rembrandt in Holland + Duesseldorf, > Auswertung der Japan-Live-Mitschnitte; Vorbereitung der "CHA CHA > 2000"-World-Tour English abstract: 1. Michael Rother has vetoed the re-release of the NEU! albums. 2. The following projects are currently in preparation: a) a second la! NEU? album, b) the publication of live recordings from the 1996 Japan concerts, c) a world tour. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oli Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Date: 03 Aug 1997 00:11:13 +0200 Hi! Here is an update of the "meeting-people-list" : Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com Leon Mols Imols@pi.net Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de everybody who will be in Karlsruhe and wants a meeting: please put your name in ! Carsten Bolte. Kiel. it's more fun to compute! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Which Songs? Date: 02 Aug 1997 14:25:02 -0700 >I think everybody want's to know which songs Kraftwerk will play in >Karlsruhe and in Linz. If the program is the same (I think it will be) >as at Tribal Gathering, the list would be: NUMBERS, HOMECOMPUTER, THE >MAN MACHINE / DIE MENSCH MASCHINE, TOUR DE FRANCE, AUTOBAHN, >RADIOACTIVITY, TRANS EUROPE EXPRESS / METAL ON METAL / ABZUG, POCKET >CALCULATOR / DENTAKU, THE ROBOTS, ! NEW SONG ?, MUSIC NON STOP. When I download the TG from the unofficial infobahr - both the ISDN and the 28.8 versions stop short of the new song. I have yet to hear the whole thing. Is there a location where I can get 'New Song' and 'Music Non-Stop'? Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alpezi@zilli.priv.at Subject: Re: (kw) Which Songs? Date: 02 Aug 1997 20:32:30 +0200 (MEST) > > I think everybody want's to know which songs Kraftwerk will play in > Karlsruhe and in Linz. If the program is the same (I think it will be) > as at Tribal Gathering, the list would be: NUMBERS, HOMECOMPUTER, THE > MAN MACHINE / DIE MENSCH MASCHINE, TOUR DE FRANCE, AUTOBAHN, > RADIOACTIVITY, TRANS EUROPE EXPRESS / METAL ON METAL / ABZUG, POCKET > CALCULATOR / DENTAKU, THE ROBOTS, ! NEW SONG ?, MUSIC NON STOP. > > We will see and hear... ...also Computerwelt, and the best thing is: LOTS OF GERMAN LYRICS ...denn Zeit ist Geld... this specially is missing in the English Lyrics, which I fully understand, think about: "Computerworld, Computerworld, because Time is Money" MEGA ROTFL! I will hope, that they play some kind of different set, for example, they should start with Morgenspaziergang, followed by Ohm sweet ohm, Schaufensterpuppen, Kometenmelodie, Antenna, Neonlicht, Der Telefonanruf,... and finish with Endlos (till Friday Noon)...... ;-)) Greetings from Muehlviertel zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alpezi@zilli.priv.at Subject: (kw) E-Mail Addresses Date: 02 Aug 1997 20:39:40 +0200 (MEST) Hi! Thats NO Joke! Has anyone of you EVER tried to send email to, for example: ralf@kraftwerk.com, florian@kraftwerk.com and saw what happened? Greetings zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) of cars and music Date: 03 Aug 1997 12:21:51 +0200 hello, I found this phrase of Lisa Gerrard, member of Dead Can Dance: "When I was 16 years old, I used to sing with the automobile traffic under this tunnel in Australia," says Gerrard. "It was like singing with an orchestra." it remember us of someone else, no? :-) and if ms. Gerrard is the wonderful 35-or so years old lady that she appear to be, this should have happen just after the release of Autobahn... to those interested, this is part of an interview of Alternative Press that you can find on M. Dziedzic very good unofficial (but - as often happen - a lot better than the 4AD original one) DCD page: http://www.nets.com/dcd. to those that do not know DCD, they have nothing to do with Kraftwerk and describing them could be too long. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: man-machine@usa.net Subject: (kw) E-mail hell sorted out. Date: 03 Aug 1997 07:19:52 -0400 Werkers, With all the ISP problems that many of us have encountered lately, it will be nice indeed to see it all resolved. Yesterday was a bad e-mail day on my side, so I apologize for not replying to anyone who tried to contact me privately outside of the list. Here's the deal: From now on, this is the one and only address you'll need to reach me at: man-machine@usa.net Appropriate, wouldn't you say? :-) I've forwarded copies of this post to those of you who I correspond with somewhat regularly, so please do make a note of this. Thanks folks, and now back to Kraftwerk! Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill man-machine@usa.net "We're charging our battery..." P.S. - Jessica, I didn't have your address handy but please do note my new address too! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) E-Mail Addresses Date: 03 Aug 1997 12:05:17 GMT alpezi@zilli.priv.at wrote: >Thats NO Joke! > >Has anyone of you EVER tried to send email to, for example: >ralf@kraftwerk.com, florian@kraftwerk.com and saw what happened? Bloody hell, here we go again. READ THE ARCHIVES!!! ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Germanofon KW1 bootleg. Date: 03 Aug 1997 08:15:48 -0400 Yesterday I noticed something that I hadn't caught before. The Germanofon bootlegs for the first and second Kraftwerk albums on CD (KW1 and KW2) are respectively numbered 941001 and 941002. However, upon examining the actual disc itself for the first album I found that the catalog number 941002 was stamped on it! So both the first and second album on Germanofon CD have the same catalog number stamped on the discs themselves, despite what it says on the spine on the CD. Were all of the 'Kraftwerk 1' Germanofon boots released with 941002 stamped on them or do I have a misfit here? hehe -- Scott M. Barnhill man-machine@usa.net "Boing Boom Tschak...Techno Pop!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: SV: (kw) Germanofon KW1 bootleg. Date: 03 Aug 1997 16:30:39 +-200 -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Scott M. Barnhill=20 Skickat: den 3 augusti 1997 14:16 Till: kraftwerk@xmission.com =C4mne: (kw) Germanofon KW1 bootleg. > Yesterday I noticed something that I hadn't caught before. The > Germanofon bootlegs for the first and second Kraftwerk albums on CD = (KW1 and > KW2) are respectively numbered 941001 and 941002. However, upon = examining > the actual disc itself for the first album I found that the catalog = number > 941002 was stamped on it! So both the first and second album on = Germanofon > CD have the same catalog number stamped on the discs themselves, = despite > what it says on the spine on the CD. Were all of the 'Kraftwerk 1' > Germanofon boots released with 941002 stamped on them or do I have a = misfit > here? hehe > -- > Scott M. Barnhill Yup! Mine has the same catalogue number. They are indeed as Mr Barnhill says, stamped on the record! On the otherhand, my copies dont have any extra tracks. Or is it that the Germanofon CDs dont have any extras? Which ones do, and what are the tracks? Uffe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Olf Ranthiz Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk CD "Lebendige Menschen" 4 sale Date: 03 Aug 1997 17:00:34 +0200 Kraftwerk "Lebendige Menschen" tracks 1- Numbers 2- Computerworld 3- Homecomputer 4- Radioactivity 5- Trans Europe Express/Metall Auf Metall/Abzug 6- The Robots 7- The Model 8- Tour De France 9- Musique Non Stop tracks 1 - 6 tribal Gathering 1997, soundboard tracks 7 - 9 ludwigsburg, Forum 31th October 1993 very nice cover and excellent(soundboard) quality asking $20 + shipping. -- take care tf ************************************************************* "Drinking and smoking are bad for the health" -Charles Bukowski # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Gold Rush? Date: 03 Aug 1997 10:57:00 -0400 I just visited the Tower Records website (www.towerrecords.com) and their Kraftwerk section lists their CDs for 'Radio-Activity' and 'The Man-Machine' on the Gold Rush record label, released last month. The distributor is Allegro. Does anyone know anything about these new re-issues (what they look like, sound quality, etc..) There's getting to be so many different re-issues that I can't keep track anymore! -- Scott M. Barnhill man-machine@usa.net "Sie ist ein Modell und sie sieht gut aus..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Scratch that last one and shoot me! Date: 03 Aug 1997 14:08:22 -0400 People, Sorry about that, please ignore that last bit about the man-machine@usa.net email address. Since I've hooked up with a new internet provider, I've been trying desperately to find the most efficient way to get mail in and out and the box here. The man-machine@usa.net account just isn't going to cut it, so consider that a trial attempt. Here we go for the last time: My e-mail address is: nebulous@erols.com They got all their problems straightened out so traffic should move smoothly now. Thanks to all of you for being patient with my e-mail chicanery here. Finis- -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com (and that's the real address!) :) "Wir sind die Roboter..." P.S. - Uffe: I've heard from several sources that the KW bootlegs with the bonus tracks are not nearly as good in sound quality as the Germanofon ones, because they supposedly contain way too much surface noise from the original vinyl. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Germanofon KW1 bootleg. Date: 03 Aug 1997 10:42:58 -0400 >On the otherhand, my copies dont have any extra tracks. >Or is it that the Germanofon CDs dont have any extras? > >Which ones do, and what are the tracks? Nope, the Germanofon ones do not contain the bonus tracks. There were other CD bootlegs for the first 2 KW albums released aside from the Germanofon ones in 1994, and these were the ones with the bonus tracks tacked on. The bonus tracks were as follows: 'Kraftwerk' - contains bonus track "Ruckzuck" live in Cologne, '75 'Kraftwerk 2' - contains bonus track "Kometenmelodie" live in Cologne, '75 -- Scott M. Barnhill man-machine@usa.net "Drehen wir am Radiophon..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam L Read Subject: (kw) Deutche Krafwerk Site Date: 04 Aug 1997 01:03:15 +-1000 All, I found a rather good KW page tonite, composed by herr. = M.Schmidt@top.east.de . Especially the listing of Kraftwerk's = performances. Perhaps this list should endevour to complete this task? = It would be very valuable in searching out lost recordings. I know of a = few KW show in Australia that are not on the list. The link is http://www.wekotec.com/kraftwerk Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike.Pitt@mail.sema.co.uk Subject: (kw) Numbers and TEE dj singles Date: 03 Aug 1997 19:58:00 EDT Hi, I managed to get my hands on the dj only 12 inch singles of Numbers and TEE at a record fair this weekend (mint). Both discs play at 33 rpm, Numbers plays the same on both sides fading out before Computerworld 2 starts, TEE fades out just before Metal on Metal starts but on the b side there is an instrumental version of the a side. However the vocal sections have merely been edited out rather than the vocal track being lifted off. The resulting edit is a bit messy as a result. And no, I ain't selling them :) Mike. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Which Songs? Date: 03 Aug 1997 19:30:26 GMT alpezi@zilli.priv.at wrote: >I will hope, that they play some kind of different set, for example, = they >should start with Morgenspaziergang, followed by Ohm sweet ohm, >Schaufensterpuppen, Kometenmelodie, Antenna, Neonlicht, Der = Telefonanruf,... >and finish with Endlos (till Friday Noon)...... ;-)) I'll second that one! It's about time we heard some of the non-mix stuff really. antenna would be a godsend to me, plus, say, 'space lab', 'airwaves' and 'cometmelody' c'mon boys, play 'em, ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk CD "Lebendige Menschen" 4 sale Date: 03 Aug 1997 15:27:35 -0400 (EDT) >Kraftwerk "Lebendige Menschen" >tracks 1 - 6 tribal Gathering 1997, soundboard Since this recording was made direct from the soundboard, I assume that means this recording of 'Numbers' and 'Computer World' from the Tribal Gathering is at the normal playing speed and is not slowed down like it was on BBC Radio1, right? Just curious. -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "We start to move..and we break the glass.." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Morper Subject: (kw) Electrik Music on VH-1 Date: 03 Aug 1997 21:44:53 -0200 Today (Su, 3-aug-97) at ca. 21h VH-1 Europe showed Electrik Music's "TV". The show is usually repeated at least once during the week, so watch out if you like to see it (sorry, no exact time/date since VH-1 isn't listed in my TV-magazine). Bye, Thomas (tmorper@karlstadt.netsurf.de) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Temporary sabbatical Date: 03 Aug 1997 16:35:45 -0400 I'm sad to say that I won't have any access to any e-mail next week. I hope the usual fervent discussions are eventful and informative. I'm looking forward to reading the posts, but it's got to wait 'til next weekend. Wish me luck as an intern for a shoot of an upcoming independent film! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk CD "Lebendige Menschen" 4 sale Date: 03 Aug 1997 20:49:09 GMT "Scott M. Barnhill" wrote: >Since this recording was made direct from the soundboard, I assume >that means this recording of 'Numbers' and 'Computer World' from the = Tribal >Gathering is at the normal playing speed and is not slowed down like it = was >on BBC Radio1, right? Just curious. I doubt it Scott. the tracks are the same tracks as broadcast by the BBC, thus, I suspect that they ARE the BBC tracks. As for the speed, I would hope that _somebody_ has the intelligence to actually speed up numbers/computer world this time. ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morten Moen Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Date: 03 Aug 1997 23:17:36 +0200 Hi! Here is an update of the "meeting-people-list" : Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com Leon Mols Imols@pi.net Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no everybody who will be in Karlsruhe and wants a meeting: please put your name in ! Carsten Bolte. Kiel. it's more fun to compute! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Which Songs? Date: 03 Aug 1997 23:42:27 +0200 >I'll second that one! It's about time we heard some of the non-mix do I remember right that they semi-officially said that they don't want to play them anymore or so? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Which Songs? Date: 03 Aug 1997 17:51:23 -0400 (EDT) >>I'll second that one! It's about time we heard some of the non-mix > >do I remember right that they semi-officially said that they don't want to >play them anymore or so? I heard that they said something to the effect that they discount the early material (everything prior to 'Autobahn') as being just an experiment which eventually led up to their actual Kraftwerk sound. If that's true it's a shame indeed, as I for one am a huge fan of their early work. "Megaherz", "Kristallo", "Tongebirge", and "Ruckzuck" are easily among my very favorite KW tracks not to mention...oh hell, the list is too long! :-) -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Ananas Symphonie...Ananas Symphonie..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: resin@tuna.net Subject: (kw) off topic (r.i.p. W.S.) Date: 04 Aug 1997 08:37:15 +0600 LAWRENCE, Kans. (Reuter) - Beat generation writer William S. Burroughs, the counterculture author best known for the novel ''Naked Lunch'' based on his experiences as a drug addict, died Saturday at the age of 83. Burroughs died at Lawrence Memorial Hospital a day after suffering a heart attack, said Ira Silverberg, New York-based editor-in-chief of Grove Press, which published several of his books. Along with the poet Allen Ginsberg and other writers such as Jack Kerouac and Lawrence Ferlinghetti, Burroughs, came to embody the bohemian, anti-establishment beat generation literary movement. Ginsberg died in April in New York. Burroughs was admitted to the hospital Friday after suffering a heart attack, Silverberg said. ``It was sudden. He was in fine health,'' Silverberg said. The controversial Burroughs was openly homosexual, spent years as a drug addict and accidentally killed his wife. In later years, he achieved cult status among a generation of disaffected middle-class youth. Novelist Norman Mailer called Burroughs ``the only American writer living today who may conceivably be possessed by genius.'' Burroughs had lived in with his cats in the college town of Lawrence since December, 1981. He stopped smoking six years ago after triple-bypass heart surgery. Grove Press just last week completed an as-yet untitled manuscript of Burroughs's previously published writings. Silverberg said the collection was due to be released in 1998. Burroughs was born Feb. 5, 1914, in St. Louis. His grandfather founded the Borroughs adding machine company. Borroughs was educated in private schools and graduated from Harvard University. His many jobs included stints as a private detective and an insect exterminator. While living in Mexico City in 1951, he accidentally killed his wife, Joan Vollmer, while trying to shoot a glass off of her head. He said later that her death drove him to write. His first book ``Junkie,'' published in 1953 under the pseudonym William Lee, is an autobiographical account of his experiences as a drug addict. Burrough's fame, however, was built on the celebrated novel ``Naked Lunch,'' written while the author was living in Tangier, Morocco and first published in Paris in 1959. The book was banned in the United States until 1962, when it won a landmark anti-censorship Supreme Court decision. Among his other books were ``The Wild Boys,'' ``Cities of the Red Night,'' and ``Tornado Alley.'' Burroughs also was a photographer, and had produced drawings, paintings and sculpture. Burroughs once commented that ``my entire life has been a struggle to resist the dark force,'' which he defined as the worst aspects of himself. In an interview with The New York Times late last year, Burroughs said he made notes every day but no longer wrote formally. ``I guess I've run out of things to say,'' he said. Burroughs enjoyed a revival in recent years, and collaborated with rock musicians. ``Naked Lunch'' was made into a film in 1991. A tribute to Burroughs was held last November at the University of Kansas in Lawrence, and featured appearances by rock artists Michael Stipe of R.E.M. and former Blondie lead singer Deborah Harry. More recently, Burroughs made a cameo appearance in the rock video for U2's ``Last Night on Earth,'' which was shot in May in Kansas City, Mo. Last year, the Spencer Museum of Art in Lawrence held a retrospective of Burroughs's artworks, called ``Ports of Entry.'' Burrough's son, William, died in 1981. all terrain sound nyc. http://www.tuna.net/resin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Which Songs? Date: 04 Aug 1997 08:26:43 GMT Scott M. Barnhill wrote: >I heard that they said something to the effect that they discount >the early material (everything prior to 'Autobahn') as being just an >experiment which eventually led up to their actual Kraftwerk sound. If >that's true it's a shame indeed, as I for one am a huge fan of their = early >work. "Megaherz", "Kristallo", "Tongebirge", and "Ruckzuck" are easily >among my very favorite KW tracks not to mention...oh hell, the list is = too >long! :-) Thank you scott. Yes, the early KW tracks are, IMHO, underrated in that KW do not recognise them. Plus, their selectivity when composing live sets quite astounds me. If they consider anything before Autobahn as experimentation, what the hell does that say about their entire career. I was under the impression that experimentation was the name of their game! Anyway, there are some _great_ tracks on the Radioactivity Album, plus, I think cometmelody would sound awesome and tres anthemic live. Sticking to the mix doesn't cut it as far as I'm concerned. ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) off topic (r.i.p. W.S.) Date: 04 Aug 1997 09:28:22 +0000 Sorry people I have to say this, "What a load of old bollocks"! A gay, murderous drug addict who is anti-establishment? And we wonder why our youth is so troubled today with influences like that around. If you ask me, people like that are not heroes, just wimps who are frightened to live in the real World and battle through life's problems like the rest of us mortals have to. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daneel Olivaw Subject: Re: (kw) off topic (r.i.p. W.S.) Date: 03 Aug 1997 04:59:28 +0600 >Sorry people I have to say this, "What a load of old bollocks"! > >A gay, murderous drug addict who is anti-establishment? And we >wonder why our youth is so troubled today with influences like that >around. > >If you ask me, people like that are not heroes, just wimps who are >frightened to live in the real World and battle through life's >problems like the rest of us mortals have to. >Best Regards, > >Craig. Thank you for the flame-bait. I'm looking forward to several weeks worth of useless crap coming into my mailbox via the kraftwerk mailing list. Emmett # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: Re: (kw) Which Songs? Date: 04 Aug 1997 11:01:18 +0200 alpezi@zilli.priv.at,Internet writes: >...also Computerwelt, and the best thing is: >LOTS OF GERMAN LYRICS >...denn Zeit ist Geld... >this specially is missing in the English Lyrics, which I fully >understand,think about:"Computerworld, Computerworld, because Time is >Money" MEGA ROTFL! But they changed the lyrics from 'Computerworld' at the '91-'The Mix Tour'...at the '81-Tour they sung: 'Interpol and Deutsche Bank, FBI and Scotland Yard, Interpol and Deutsche Bank, FBI and Scotland Yard' and in '91 it was 'Interpol und Deutsche Bank, FBI und Scotland Yard, CIA and KGB controll the data-memory'. >I will hope, that they play some kind of different set, for example, >they should start with Morgenspaziergang, followed by Ohm sweet ohm, >Schaufensterpuppen, Kometenmelodie, Antenna, Neonlicht, Der >Telefonanruf,... and finish with Endlos (till Friday Noon)...... ;-)) I've listened to a Bootleg from 1975, they played a concert with only three songs: 'Ruckzuck', 'Morgenspaziergang' and 'Autobahn' (in a 26-minutes version). Before 'Autobahn' starts, you can hear some pretty strange sounds, and then Ralf says 'Wir m=FCssen nur kurz das hier stimmen...es geht gleich weiter' ant then 'Wir fahren sofort ab'. Back to Linz: I hope they will also wear the stylish green-wireframe dresses from Luton while playing the new song. It looks like it would be from the Beate Uhse-collection...maybe a cybersex-outfit...? Sex object meets 'Music non stop'-video... >Greetings from Muehlviertel Greetings from Floridsdorf (21st district of Vienna) Georgie Chain reaction and mutation, contaminated population... Stop radioactivity! -------------------------- http://www.kraftwerk.com --=20 ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ferm=EDn?=" Subject: RE: (kw) off topic (r.i.p. W.S.) Date: 04 Aug 1997 11:31:10 +0200 > A gay, murderous drug addict who is anti-establishment? And we > wonder why our youth is so troubled today with influences like that > around. Why do you consider to be gay as a bad influence to "our" [?] youth ? The only bad influence is your homophobic intolerance. Fermin I am sorry- I really don't want a thread of this, but I needed to reply to that. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Apologies Date: 04 Aug 1997 10:53:26 +0000 My previous message concerning views on Homesexuality etc are not to be taken seriously ! Please don't use this list to flame me or reply as it will fill the list with crap which the majority do not want to read, All I will say is that my comments were IMHO, that's all. Aplogies to all who think I will fill their mail boxes with useless info. Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) off topic (r.i.p. W.S.) Date: 04 Aug 1997 14:43:00 +0100 And what about Fela ? And Jeanne Calment ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thorsten Dowe Subject: Re: (kw) off topic (r.i.p. W.S.) Date: 04 Aug 1997 12:37:11 +0200 Craig Land wrote: > > Sorry people I have to say this, "What a load of old bollocks"! > > A gay, murderous drug addict who is anti-establishment? And we > wonder why our youth is so troubled today with influences like that > around. > > If you ask me, people like that are not heroes, just wimps who are > frightened to live in the real World and battle through life's > problems like the rest of us mortals have to. > Best Regards, > > Craig. Didn't catch the beginning of the discussion, but... Sorry Craig I think you're wrong. People telling about problems in a society aren't the problems of the society. It's always easy to judge people who are different. Maybe you are right if you complain about the anti-establishment statement. But to me it seems a little bit like being afraid of loosing our warm and cousy standard of living. But think, you are in the top 5% of the world. And some people can't deal with that. regards Thorsten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Glen Subject: (kw) Krautrocksampler Date: 04 Aug 1997 17:08:03 +0100 Julian Cope hosted an evening of Krautrock film footage at the National Film Theatre in London on Friday night. The footage included Kraftwerk's legendary 11 minutes on Germany's The Beat Club from '71 (no Ralf), Can in concert, Amon Duul and Popol Vuh. The Kraftwerk footage was the highlight of the night though there was obviously no definate dress code at this time - the drummer wearing some disgusting hippy frock. I got to wondering when and how exactly the uniformed image came into play and who exactly instigated it? (Thank God they did). -- Leisure # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tim.huber@emimusic.com Subject: (kw) Answer from EMI ! Date: 04 Aug 1997 17:25:28 +0200 Hello, =20 =20 I sent this mail to EMI Electrola yesterday......and see what answer I=20 got ! ! !=20 =20 (not very surprising, but still .... )=20 Mats Kadmark wrote:=20 >> =20 >> Hi!=20 >> =20 >> When is the new Kraftwerk album to be released and what has happened=20 >to=20 >> the release page where all upcoming releases were listed?=20 >> =20 >> Cheers!=20 >> =20 >> Mats=20 >> mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se=20 >> (My Kraftwerk Page:www.student.gu.se/~maka0067)=20 =20 Dear Mats,=20 =20 we do not know when the new Kraftwerk Album will be relaeased.=20 =20 Best regards=20 =20 Tim Huber=20 EMI Electrola=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Answer from EMI ! Date: 04 Aug 1997 18:22:53 +0200 The previous mail was of course from me and not from Tim Huber....=20 =20 Don't send your replies to this Tim....=20 =20 Mats=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Date: 01 Aug 1997 12:47:28 Yeah, and if any human could be properly called a ROBOT, it's Jan Ullrich, the guy truly is a cycling automaton. _______________________________________________________________________________ X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) at INTERNET-UUCP I wonder if KW are now excited that a German has won the Tour De France?! Maybe we could be in for some '97 remixes of Tdf............ Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) off topic (r.i.p. W.S.) Date: 04 Aug 1997 19:00:11 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-04 04:33:54 EDT, cland@acl.memec.com (Craig Land) writes: << Sorry people I have to say this, "What a load of old bollocks"! A gay, murderous drug addict who is anti-establishment? And we wonder why our youth is so troubled today with influences like that around. If you ask me, people like that are not heroes, just wimps who are frightened to live in the real World and battle through life's problems like the rest of us mortals have to. Best Regards, Craig. >> Your post is a load of bollocks! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) New Delhi? Date: 05 Aug 1997 10:22:32 +0000 > From: jbv > > Let's hope they'll go as far as New Delhi, Tokyo & Sydney, just > like in 81. Are you sure about New Delhi? I've always thought that the Bombay gig was their only appearance in India so far. Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: (kw) '1997' Date: 05 Aug 1997 08:30:32 GMT Hi werkians, Browsing through alt.music.kraftwerk on usenet (not many listies posting BTW) there is a message listing all known albums, check the last one! >This is the titles of all of Kraftwerks albums, I know of > >1971 - Kraftwerk *) >1972 - Kraftwerk 2 *) >1973 - Ralf & Florian *) >1974 - Autobahn >1975 - Radioactivity (Radio Aktivit=E4t) >1977 - Trans Europe Express >1978 - Man Machine (Die Mench-Maschine) >1981 - Computer World (Computerwelt) >1986 - Electric Cafe >1991 - The Mix >1997 - "1997" > ????? Most curious........ Come on guys, the newsgroup is open............ ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Another version of The Model Date: 05 Aug 1997 09:42:58 +0200 deckard@arrakis.es (Rafa),internet writes:=20 =20 >Today I have found by chance (or accident :-) a really=20 >bad version (IMHO) of THE MODEL by DJ Der=F3.=20 http://oidrecords.com/RA/model.ram=20 =20 Kraftwerk goes Macarena ! : )=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 P.S. Even though it was bad, it was quite funny !=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) '1997' Date: 05 Aug 1997 02:44:04 -0600 (MDT) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race knows enough about thinking to prevent it." * - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) '1997' Date: 05 Aug 1997 09:59:49 +0000 Has anyone thought to compile a list of unofficial albums, like all the bootlegs that are known to exist? I have seen some of the web sites which include these sorts of lists, but I own a double vinyl album which has not appeared on any list I have seen! I also remember seing a KW vinyl album in 1986 at a record fair, it was =A310. It had no writing on the label, only a plain white sleeve with Kraftwerk in big bold black text across the front. The guy selling it said something about it being a promo for a new album called Techno-Pop, but I didn't believe him or the fact that KW were releasing any new material!!!!!!!! No not really, just having a laugh,............I think it was a live bootleg LP of the 1981 Robots tour. Unfortunately, I had already spent about =A3100 and didn't have any money left to buy it, how sick am I now?!! I can't remember who was compiling the list of KW samples, I think it was probably someone I choose to disagree with even, but I was playing an old Todd Terry tune last night under his pseudonym DMS. It is called 'Don't Stop It' and it uses the Numbers track. There is also King Bee who used Numbers for their track 'Feel the Flow', Cybotron who used various KW samples on their track 'Clear', shall I go on..........? This subject is sooooo large you will have to be careful that your database dosn't get stretch marks! Anyway, I am preparing for my trip to the USA in September and getting a few KW tunes together for some US citizens who have made some requests, this also means that my spare copy of Tour De France promo is now allocated. See ya, Peace off................ Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) '1997' Date: 05 Aug 1997 03:05:59 -0600 (MDT) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race knows enough about thinking to prevent it." * - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) '1997' Date: 05 Aug 1997 09:10:32 GMT Craig Land wrote: > can't remember who was compiling the list of KW samples, I think it=20 >was probably someone I choose to disagree with even, but I was=20 >playing an old Todd Terry tune last night under his pseudonym DMS. =20 >It is called 'Don't Stop It' and it uses the Numbers track. There is=20 >also King Bee who used Numbers for their track 'Feel the Flow',=20 >Cybotron who used various KW samples on their track 'Clear', shall I=20 >go on..........? This subject is sooooo large you will have to be=20 >careful that your database dosn't get stretch marks! > It was me Craig, but as you know, I've been away lately....... It's in the pipeline, although I have other KW things on my plate at the moment. I'm getting a CGI form together for addition of the sample listings, to include hopefully links to web sites containing audio if poss. It'll be a bit like a guestbook I s'pose! > >Anyway, I am preparing for my trip to the USA in September and=20 >getting a few KW tunes together for some US citizens who have made=20 >some requests, this also means that my spare copy of Tour De France=20 >promo is now allocated. > Hey, I'm going to the states in October! Will you still be there, and where? :-)) > We might bump into each other, y'know what with the states being a fairly small country n'that :-)) ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) '1997' Date: 05 Aug 1997 09:16:28 GMT Ra wrote: >Uh, I am. I don't recall mentioning it on the list, so either there's=20 >someone else also doing it or I have a lousy memory. eh? I was doing that! Oh well, if you want to do it, it's up to you! ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) '1997' Date: 05 Aug 1997 03:51:59 -0600 (MDT) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race knows enough about thinking to prevent it." * - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) New Delhi? Date: 05 Aug 1997 13:25:52 +0100 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > > From: jbv > > > > Let's hope they'll go as far as New Delhi, Tokyo & Sydney, just > > like in 81. > > Are you sure about New Delhi? I've always thought that the Bombay gig > was their only appearance in India so far. > > Thanks, > Klaus Zaepke > Yeah, it was a typo. I meant Bombay. Thanx for correcting me. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Par." Subject: (kw) KW: MP3 files Date: 05 Aug 1997 18:05:36 +1400 Hi Listers, I wander if there is a FTP site with KW rares tracks in MP3 format. The only MP3 files I've found are those on the "Kraftwerk Infobahr" and also "Tour de France" I don't remember where. But, beside the TG 97 live, there are probably recording of many others concerts, from the 70's in particular. There are also single version like Autobahn that are probably different than the album version. Net-Tamer V 1.09.2 - Test Drive # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) KW: MP3 files Date: 05 Aug 1997 19:01:03 +0200 bonald@worldnet.fr (Par.),internet writes:=20 =20 >I wander if there is a FTP site with KW rares tracks in MP3 =20 >format.=20 =20 I got the following tracks in mp3 format at my KW-Page (not FTP):=20 =20 Metropolis, live Utrecht 10.12.81=20 Das Modell=20 It's More Fun to Compute, live Tokyo 7.9.81=20 Computerwelt, 12" mix=20 Tour de France (German version), 12" mix=20 Radioaktivit=E4t, 7" Orbit mix ( ' 91)=20 Musique Non Stop, 7" Kevorkian mix=20 =20 >There are also single version like Autobahn that are probably different=20 >than the album version.=20 =20 It is not really different it is just shorter.... they have simply cut=20 it down.=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 (www.student.gu.se/~maka0067) =20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) My memories (was : 1973 Paris concert + old TV shows) - very long ! Date: 05 Aug 1997 23:13:42 +0100 Last week, Klaus Zaepke wrote: >=20 > > I saw them live for the first time in the suburbs of Paris in 1973. >=20 > Do you remember any details from this concert? If so, how about > writing a short review for the list, please? :-) >=20 > > And when parts of that show were broadcasted on french TV a couple > > of weeks later (on Pop 2 program, I think) on saturday afternoon, >=20 > Also, may I ask if you remember any details from the Kraftwerk part > of this broadcast (length, setlist)? >=20 Oh man ! I feel so old when someone asks me that kind of question.=20 Ok, let=92s see what I can do. I tried to put togther everything I remember about KW in the 70s and 80s + some personal thoughts. I know i'm firing in one shot enough material for 3 months of=20 contributions to the list, but that's the way I am. Regarding possible tracing of KW material in the archives of INA, everybody please let me know your degree of interest to that. Except for Klaus, nobody reacted to the idea, so I wonder if it's worth spending 200 to 300$ on that subject (yes, that's what they'll charge for retrieving the stuff and showing it to me - expensive KW fan masturbation). jbv THE CONTEXT OF THE EARLY SEVENTIES At that time, german industrial rock was still a matter of underground culture. Before 1972, most german albums, except for Tangerine Dream and a few others, were quite hard to find (at least in France, and especially in the small city where I used to live, 250 km from Paris). In feb. 73, I was 16. I remember that I had to fight with my parents to be able to go alone to Paris to see a concert of =93musicians with long hair=94. They were scared to death to see their only son travelling alone to the big city for the first time. I finally was able to go, because my birthday is in feb. and I managed to get permission as a birthday present. Anyway. As I said in a previous post, I had bought KW 1st album a couple of years before with my pocket money, among a whole bunch of german rock albums that the big brother of my best friend brought from Paris. You must remember that, at that time, the main attractions were not KW (still quite unknown), but rather bands such as TD, Schulze, Can and Ash Ra Tempel. Amon D=FC=FCl too. The atmosphere was more towards spacey stuf= f and rock with oriental influences than industrial soundscapes. If you check all the long articles released in music mags at that time, you=92ll notice that (in the text and in the discography), KW albums are not listed at the top, and only a few lines are dedicated to the band (some articles even didn=92t mention KW at all !). Furthermore, NEU ! is sometimes mentioned as a more interesting band than KW, may be because they still used drums, bass & guitar, and because the audience was still not ready for pure electronic rythms. Some articles also mentioned KLUSTER (not Cluster), who, in my opinion was the very 1st industrial band. At that time, we were light years away from the collector / worship attitude of this list. Nobody knew that KW would become 20 years later the godfathers of techno. They were just another underground duet. I=92m also quite sure that no picture of the band had been published (at least in France) before the 1973 concert. All articles about Kraut rock featured extensive picts of TD and Can, but also bands like Wallenstein, Floh... which I guess were provided by the marketing divisions of Ohr and Piltz labels (greedy music biz as usual). I=92m sure that all those remarks are nothing new to KW list members, but just for one minute, it=92s interesting to point out the differences between 1973 and today... I remember that my favorite song on KW 1 was =93Von Himmel hoch=94. The description given by Bussy in his book is rather dull (like any of his music descriptions I think). To me it always sounded like the perfect electro-acoustic imitation of american planes dropping bombs over Germany at the end of WW II. I bought the 2nd album along with the 3rd one in spring or summer 74 or so, I=92m not sure. Finally, I would say that I remember that period as a period of shit which I would never live again. May be this feeling is inspired by the boring life I used to live in a boring area of France... Possible. But look : the only program of rock / pop on french TV was Pop 2 (30 to 40 minutes weekly or so), but quite often it was canceled and they showed soccer or rugby instead. And of course, they didn=92t announce anything until 5 minutes before the normal schedule. I tell you : it was a time of disapointments ! THE 1973 PARIS CONCERT As for the gigs : as I said before, lot of people (including me) came more for TD and KS than for the other bands. Therefore, I could not give any track listing, because my attention was not focused on them. Needless to say that the thrill of spending a couple of days alone in Paris with some friends overcame in many ways the festival itself. I was also still young, with very little musical background. Therefore, it was more a raw experience, and all the discussions I can run about it are made from my point of view of today and the experiences accumulated in 25 years. On the other hand, people didn=92t expect a show with songs easy to recognize, but rather an atmospheric approach of the music. CAN had shown the way for a couple of years, regarding live improvised music around some vague structures. Lots of bands in the experimental / underground scene used to have the same approach. The festival took place on Feb. 14 & 15. KW played at the end of day 1. It=92s funny because I remember that it was quite late in the evening, bu= t one of my friends who was there also and came with me to the Z=FCrich sho= w in 91 sweared it took place in the late afternoon. Anyway, I remember that my friends and I were trying to make plans about where to spend the night and how to get back to the center of Paris (it was quite cold & dark outside), because we=92ve been waiting for a guy who never showed up. In 81, i was student in Paris and had a room. In 91, we were able to afford a good hotel in Z=FCrich... Here is what I remember. Ralf still had long hair and glasses, and was wearing leather. As for Florian, I forgot. And for a simple reason : during my last year in high-school, I had a philosophy teacher who was looking almost exactly like Florian. So, everytime I try to remember Florian, the image of this man comes to my mind !=20 They were both sitting in front of their gear and didn=92t move at all. They seemed to communicate by looks only. One of my friends even suggested that they could just play tapes. They were looking pretty much like on the picture at the back of the 3rd album, I guess. But may be did I see that picture so many times that I remember the show like that picture... Bussy says that at that time they used on stage the same =93neon-rope=94 as on that picture, but I don=92t remember anything like = that in Paris. I also remember that the TV crew was constantly on stage around the musicians and using bright spotlights. At that time I was also very deep into electro-acoustic music (GRM etc.) and in the Glass/Reich/Riley school on the other hand. After hearing KW 1st album I used to consider them as an experimental electronic band. But during that show, the music seemed to be linear and hypnotic, much more in the repetitive & melodic style, not so heavily industrial & electronic. That was a big surprise to me. They seemed to hesitate between two musical directions, and none was really convincing, although it was still interesting because of the use of electronic gear on stage. In the =93industrial=94 moments, it was not as heavy and powerful as on t= he album, and when melodic & repetitive, it wasn=92t as dense as Glass or Reich. That=92s also why I never really liked the 3rd album, except perhaps Tanzmusik. At that time I hated Ananas Symphony : to me it was a kind of bad joke, and also I had the feeling they lacked inspiration and put that piece at the end of side 2 only because they had to fill some space on the album. Later, I had warmer feelings towards that piece, mostly because of the first attempt of vocoded sounds. One of the main reasons of disapointment was also that some much more sophisticated works using Moogs and other VC controlled modules had been composed / produced as soon as 1964 at the GRM studio (Parmegiani, etc.). So, in some ways, KW early works give me the impression that they are exploring some directions in which other people had already walked some years ago. Another important and positive thing is that when you listen to most of Kraut rock produced in the early 70s (except for kosmiche musik, of course), you still can hear some bluesy influences (in the riffs or in the guitar / drums sound). KW was the first german band to use binary rythms but who never (I say never) had anything to do with blues or rock. I know that they=92ve been influenced by the german electronic school, but it doesn=92t explain everything. Some members of Can have bee= n studying with Stockhausen and Luigi Nono, but at times some clear blues / rock influences can be heard in their music. The only pop / rock influence that could be found in KW music was perhaps the Beach Boys, and even not before Autobahn ! Actually, the more I think of that period, the more I get convinced that KW never had anything to do with experimentation. On the contrary, they=92ve always been very good at picking up the best of other people=92= s experimentations and melt all those influences together in something unique, which could be described as =93avant garde for the masses with a little bit of sweet pop dressing at the top=94. Furthermore, I even dare to say that if they give very seldom interviews, it=92s because they don=92t have much to say. Or may be they don=92t want to be accused of steeling other people=92s ideas and make so= me money with it. Robert Fripp told me once how surprising and funny it=92s been for him to see other people from another generation building a whole career around a single idea he developped several years ago in one single piece. In some ways, it=92s not so stupid to say that that=92s wha= t KW did in the late 70s / early 80s with a few ideas =93borrowed=94 from people of the previous generation (european electronic avant-garde + Beach Boys harmonies + some expressionist & Gilbert & george influences for the image). Of course, everybody will say that inspiration never pops up from nowhere and that everybody is always inspired by someone else. Yes, but... I also think that their silence and reclusive attitude is only a pure marketing trick. I=92m sure i=92ll get dozens of flames for that one ! But look at what happens on this list around the forthcoming album and some reissues : for a few months, there=92s a big expectation and tons of rumors about possible dates, and lately this message from EMI saying that they don=92t know when all this stuff will be released. It was the same in 81 for CW and in 86 for EC. Back to the 1973 concert : I=92m almost sure they played Ruckzuck and Tanzmuzik, because when I bought albums 2 & 3 several months later, I remember discussing with my friends and everybody was sure we heard those pieces at the gig. I remember also that somewhere in the show, suddenly the music and the light stopped. I thought it was a funny way to end a set. But very soon it appeared that there was power supply problems, and after some long minutes, the show resumed. I read in further interviews (and also in Bussy=92s book) that it was caused by the nearby Renault factory. A couple of times, Ralf said that they had to re-program their rythm-boxes, and he was quite proud and happy to say that their gear and their music had been influenced by the car industry. As far as I remember the loosy atmosphere of that period of time, I think the reason was much more some bad organization and non-sufficient power ressources... I also remember that the place was quite crowded and everybody was smoking (some substances were floating in the air - sorry, no ecstasy at that time) and may be that=92s why it=92s hard to remember things clearly= ... There were announcements made by the organizers or the owners of the theater that smoking was prohibited inside the theater. Actually, at that time, there was always some good reason to try to interrupt or cancel or rock concert... The connection between KW and Steve reich appeared to me again very clearly several years later : once I played =93Music for 18 musicians=94 = and The MIX right after and I was amazed by the similarities in structures, harmonies, etc. Even in the middle of side 1 of EC, when the same melodic pattern is repeated many times with only the instrument changing (some marimba patch from a DX7 I think), Reich=92s influence is huge. Furthermore, could it be some subconscious attitude for R&F to be influenced by someone named Reich ? AS FOR THE POP 2 PROGRAM : I remember it as a patchwork of short excerpts from the concerts, with (between the excerpts of the gigs), excerpts from an interview of french Sci-Fi comix drawer Philippe Druillet and french Sci-Fi writer Michel Demuth (or was it Gerard Klein ?) talking about science-fiction. Once again, the producers of the program, AFAIR, made strong connections between Sci-Fi culture and Kosmische Musik. And the program itself was more structured like a magazine than a concert broadcast. The excerpts of the KW gig showed only the faces of R&F, standing still, with some lights pulsing on them. It was quite strange because the light was quite bright during the show, but I remember that the KW excerpts on TV were almost completely dark except for portions of their faces. AS FOR THE RADIO AIRPLAY OF THE 1976 CONCERT : I remember of 2 or 3 instrumental pieces. One was Kometenmelody, and the other one (I think) Ohm Sweet Ohm. Regarding the 3rd one (which was actually the 1st), I remember it very well but never knew whether it was a standalone piece or a long intro for Kometenmelody : it was basically the sound of church bells (recorded in a street on a sunday morning, I suppose) used through a vocoder. I don=92t remember what the voice said, but the effect was thrilling. I remember listening to that part dozens of times, while the 2 other pieces were quite boring, or at least quite linear and simple. I still regret that the tape had been destroyed. May be the dog was tired of hearing it too many times... Does this description match what=92s known on bootlegs ? I=92ll try to trace this recording at INA. SUMMER 1976 (I think) : There were various shows of pop & experimental music every night on France Musique, the cultural FM national radio program. I don=92t remembe= r whether it was connected to a Radio-Activity tour or anything similar, but I do remember that J-P Lentin (from the french magazine Actuel who also organized the 1973 festival in Paris) was producing a couple of programs. And one night he did a long interview (at least 60 mn, AFAIR) of Ralf & Florian. Everybody was speaking perfect french, of course. Sorry, I didn=92t tape it. Here is only what I remember of it : - Ralf saying that they had improved their technical facilities and their studio, and could now do all the production at home, from the first takes to the final mix. It was supposed to extend their musical horizons. - Florian saying that he had thrown away his flute for good and forever, and wanted to design and built new kinds of instruments. - Ralf saying that they had toured in the US the year before (to promote Autobahn, I guess), and that they used to listen to college radios in the car when driving from one town to the next. And very often college radios played their music. And that thrilled them and gave them the basic idea for Radio-Activity. - Did anybody hear Florian speaking ? I remember him, during that show, speaking with a very strange voice, quite similar to the vocoded Voice of Energy... I don=92t think he already had a portable speech synthesizer at that time... I think this interview can be traced too. CIRCA 1976 - 77 Everybody remember that Radio-Activity was the generic on a daily radio-show hosted by J-L Laffont on AM station Europe 1. That show used to run from 4.30 to 6.30 PM (or was it 5 to 7 PM ?), and the targeted audience was mainly teenagers. In the studio, there was a public too, and everyday one or two guests who answered the questions of the public. At that time, I was student, but I was also working as a school bus driver. Every afternoon around 5 PM I used to pick up some teenagers and drive them back home. The drive was about 45 mn long and we used to listen to that radio program full blast. I remember that one day, the guests of the show were Ralf & Florian, and they answered the questions in fluent french. I especially remember one question, something like : what music do you listen, or do you know any french band ? And the answer really surprised me : Ralf (I think) said : =93we like ver= y much Heldon and Richard Pinhas who make in France electronic music which is almost as interesting as the music we make in Germany=94. It was at the same time surprising and quite funny, for I=92m 100% sure that no one in the studio (and even among all the listeners) knew who the hell Heldon & Pinhas could be... PARIS CONCERT, JUNE 1981 I already posted something about that gig a few weeks ago, and nobody reacted. That=92s why I wonder whether anyone is interested in my stuff... ZURICH CONCERT, 1991 I found this concert quite disapointing. Except for the robots, there was nothing new compared to the 81 show. The graphics, which were quite exciting in 81, suddenly looked dated (huge pixels, no anti-aliasing, etc...). I think it=92s because they used Barcos, which flatten the images, while in 81 they used huge monitors which displayed crispy graphics. Even the weel-known songs (TEE, etc.) sounded less exciting, mainly because (I think) they just improvised on the basic themes with pre-defined samples, patterns and sequences, which made them sound like any other techno band who don=92t get much out of his gear... And above all, Ralf=92s singing was terrible ! Did anyone already see a KW concert where Ralf was singing in tune ? A couple of years ago, I saw Electric Musik playing 2 songs live on the french-german TV channel ARTE, and the problem was the same : terrible singing. These folks are studio artists, no doubt. The only funny thing in the Z=FCrich show was during Pocket Calculator : = I remember Florian climbing like a monkey at the metallic structure that supports the curtain hiding the Kling Kland studio on stage, in order to offer his pocket instrument to the audience sitting at the balcony... OK. That=92s all until KarlSruhe. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) 1997 - Album Date: 06 Aug 1997 09:03:18 +0200 >jseifert@cableinet.co.uk >>This is the titles of all of Kraftwerks albums, I know of >> >>1971 - Kraftwerk *) >>1972 - Kraftwerk 2 *) >>1973 - Ralf & Florian *) >>1974 - Autobahn >>1975 - Radioactivity (Radio Aktivit=E4t) >>1977 - Trans Europe Express >>1978 - Man Machine (Die Mench-Maschine) >>1981 - Computer World (Computerwelt) >>1986 - Electric Cafe >>1991 - The Mix >>1997 - "1997" >> >????? >Most curious........ >Come on guys, the newsgroup is open............ I heard that the title of the album will be 'Inspector' Georgie Rendez-vous auf den Champs Elysees Verlass' Paris am Morgen mit dem TEE http://www.kraftwerk.com -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) My memories (was : 1973 Paris concert + old TV shows) - Date: 06 Aug 1997 09:01:49 +0000 Lets all thank JBV for his indepth report, I for one do find this very interesting as I love all the early KW material very much. Please keep up the good work JBV. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Olf Ranthiz Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk CD "Lebendige Menschen" 4 sale Date: 06 Aug 1997 12:00:15 +0200 The tracks have correct speed! I still have some copies left. e-mail me id interested. >Since this recording was made direct from the soundboard, I assume >that means this recording of 'Numbers' and 'Computer World' from the = Tribal >Gathering is at the normal playing speed and is not slowed down like it = was >on BBC Radio1, right? Just curious. -- take care tf ************************************************************* "Drinking and smoking are bad for the health" -Charles Bukowski # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Olf Ranthiz Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk CD "Lebendige Menschen" Date: 06 Aug 1997 13:55:48 +0200 Kraftwerk; "Lebendige Menschen" Luton 1997: Nummern Computerlove Radioactivity TEE/Metall auf Metall/Abzug Pocketcalculator The Robots +Ludwigsburg 1991 Das Modell Tour De France Musique Non Stop asking US$20 + shipping. -- take care tf ************************************************************* "Drinking and smoking are bad for the health" -Charles Bukowski # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) My memories (was : 1973 Paris concert + old TV Date: 06 Aug 1997 16:39:10 +0000 > Oh man ! I feel so old when someone asks me that kind of question. Sorry! :-) > I tried to put togther everything I remember about KW in the 70s > and 80s + some personal thoughts. Many thanks for your effort! > Regarding possible tracing of KW material in the archives of INA, > everybody please let me know your degree of interest to that. Well, my personal degree of interest is 100 %. > I also think that their silence and reclusive attitude is only a pure > marketing trick. > I'm sure i'll get dozens of flames for that one ! Not from me. :-) I do principally agree, but I don't think that it is a *pure* marketing trick. They obviously dislike the public, so I guess that their silence is both: Paranoia *and* marketing. > and lately this message from EMI saying that they don't > know when all this stuff will be released. It was the same in 81 for CW > and in 86 for EC. Very true! > AS FOR THE RADIO AIRPLAY OF THE 1976 CONCERT : > I remember of 2 or 3 instrumental pieces. One was Kometenmelody, and the > other one (I think) Ohm Sweet Ohm. Regarding the 3rd one (which was > actually the 1st), I remember it very well but never knew whether it was > a standalone piece or a long intro for Kometenmelody : it was basically > the sound of church bells used through a vocoder. I don't remember what > the voice said, It said: Die Sonne toent nach alter Weise In Brudersphaeren Wettgesang, Und ihre vorgeschriebne Reise Vollendet sie mit Donnergang. [J. W. Goethe: Faust I, Prologue in Heaven] > Does this description match what's known on bootlegs ? Yes, except that these bootlegs don't include "Ohm Sweet Ohm", but you may have confused it with "Tanzmusik", which sounds very similar to "Ohm Sweet Ohm" in it's live form? The "bootleg tracklisting" is: 1. Kometenmelodie 1 & 2 (incl. "Prologue in Heaven"-intro) 2. Tongebirge 3. Tanzmusik. > PARIS CONCERT, JUNE 1981 > I already posted something about that gig a few weeks ago, and nobody > reacted. That's why I wonder whether anyone is interested in my stuff... I am :-), and I would like to bother you with another specific question: Did Kraftwerk play only one concert in Paris in 1981, or were there two concerts? There were two concerts announced in the press (Le Monde), one for June 6th (at the Palace) and one for June 8th (at the Captain Video). Other sources claim that the concert on June 6th was at the Olympia or at the Captain Video. It's extremely confusing... > while in 81 they used huge monitors which displayed crispy > graphics. Do you (or anybody else) remember any details about the 1981 video accompaniment? These videos are not very well documented, and I've never found a detailed description of them... > Even the weel-known songs (TEE, etc.) sounded less exciting, > mainly because (I think) they just improvised on the basic themes with > pre-defined samples, patterns and sequences, which made them sound like > any other techno band who don't get much out of his gear... Exactly! > Did anyone already see a KW concert where Ralf was singing in tune ? NO! :-) > A couple of years ago, I saw Electric Musik playing 2 songs live on the > french-german TV channel ARTE, Oh? What was the second song? I have this appearance on video, but the recording seems to be incomplete, as it includes only "TV" plus the beginning of an interview. > and the problem was the same : terrible singing. Yes, the worst vocals I've ever heard! Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: Re[2]: (kw) '1997' Date: 06 Aug 1997 11:42:43 Old Sealand wroteth: I also remember seing a KW vinyl album in 1986 at a record fair, it was =A310. It had no writing on the label, only a plain white sleeve with Kraftwerk in big bold black text across the front. The guy selling it said something about it being a promo for a new album called Techno-Pop, but I didn't believe him or the fact that KW were releasing any new material!!!!!!!! No not really, just having a laugh,............ <> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: (kw) Carl Sagan - A 20thC Hero Date: 06 Aug 1997 12:04:58 How about we organise a poll to discover who is our favourite artist other than KW. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: (kw) kraftwerk never used a mellotron Date: 06 Aug 1997 11:47:53 -0400 (EDT) this is just speculation, BUT: i don't think kraftwerk ever used a mellotron....and in fact all the "mellotronesque" sounds we hear are the vako orchestron - an optiacal disc organ (which i am in the process of aquiring!!!) that had even eerier choir and string sounds than a mellotron. this also points to the mysterious "optical light disc organ from florida" that ralf is supposedly quoted as saying. it makes sense because the radioactivity choir is sustained (impossible on mellotron except with 2 or use on more than 1 track...) and to be honest - it just doesn't sound like a mellotron! oh well. some thoughts. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk never used a mellotron Date: 06 Aug 1997 18:08:24 +0100 ManMachn2@aol.com wrote: > it makes sense because the > radioactivity choir is sustained (impossible on mellotron except with 2 or > use on more than 1 track...) Well, I'm not sure about how a mellotron works, but as for the sustained RA choir, I always thought it could be some synth strings through a vocoder using the "sound freeze" function, the carrier signal being a natural choir, or simply the formants of a simple "AAAH" vocal sound. Oh man ! We will never know... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) Poll Date: 06 Aug 1997 13:08:28 -0600 (MDT) > How about we organise a poll to discover who is our favourite artist > other than KW. All I ask is that people send their responses to the person organizing the poll and not to the list . . . -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Schuldt" Subject: Re: (kw) Carl Sagan - A 20thC Hero Date: 06 Aug 1997 19:43:19 +1000 > > How about we organise a poll to discover who is our favourite artist other than > KW. Soonds like a jolly-good idea too me! // Andreas Andreas Schuldt Tornavaegen 3:501 223 63 Lund , SWEDEN Tel./Fax. +46 (0)46-396744 (Home) Mobile. +46 (0)705-189146 Fax. +46 (0)46-146066 (Helsingkrona Nation) skylt@hb.lu.se or cim92sa0@stud.msek.lth.se # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) My memories : post-scriptum Date: 06 Aug 1997 21:22:35 +0100 Hello beautiful people, Thank you so much for all the cheerful messages after my long post. Frankly, I didn't expect so many positive reactions ! -------------------- Klaus asked : >I would like to bother you with another specific question: Did >Kraftwerk play only one concert in Paris in 1981, or were there two >concerts? >There were two concerts announced in the press (Le Monde), one >for June 6th (at the Palace) and one for June 8th (at the Captain >Video). Other >sources claim that the concert on June 6th was at the Olympia or at the >Captain Video. It's extremely confusing... The only Paris show I know of took place on june 6 at Captain Video, a night club / concert hall near Place de la Concorde (now disapeared). I'm sure that after the thrill of that show and the discovery of the KK studio on stage, I would have tried to see any other gig at any cost ! Klaus (again) : >Do you (or anybody else) remember any details about the 1981 video >accompaniment? These videos are not very well documented, and I've >never found a detailed description of them... Well, I was so excited by the gear on stage that I don't really remember the videos, except : - when they did TEE, they played the regular B&W video of that piece and the synchro was more than perfect : 1) when Ralf said "back to Düsseldorf city", at the same time the video was showing the train entering the station and the sign "Düsseldorf city" 2) when he said "Rendez-vous on Champs Elysées", at the same time the video was showing a picture of the Eiffel Tower (which was actually a few hundred meters only from the concert hall) and the whole audience started to shout like crazy. I think that point can be checked on any bootleg of that gig. - when they did Autobahn, the screens were playing a very simple computer animation (in the early 80s video game style) showing a highway from a driver's point of view, with occasional trees passing on each side and a yellow dashed line constantly moving in the middle. I remember that this animation really put me in a deep trance. I also remember that in the middle of Autobahn, Ralf was singing something like "Wir fahren nach Paris, Wir fahren nach Berlin" etc. and that was in fact the list of the cities they visited during that tour ! Another thing I remember about the KK studio is that about 6 months before the Paris concert, the french magazine Actuel published a long article about KW forthcoming projects, and the most interesting part were a couple of photos showing : - Ralf in his cozy home picking up a phone - the KK studio under construction with parts of the metallic structure + one or two consoles. Once again, the problem is that when my girlfriend ran away in 86, she took away all my collection of Actuel. But I'm sure everyone already knows about those facts (I mean the article, not my girl friend departure). Joerg-Stefan cried : >Unfortunately I haven't received your posting about the Paris concert > on June 81 you mention in your article. Could you be so kind and send > me a copy ? Thanks in advance. OK, here we go : ----------- That show was a very good one. (I personally think that the 81 tour was far better than the 91 tour). Back then, they used 4 huge video monitors which offered more crispy graphics than the Barco used 10 years later. I think I remember also that the tour was a bit delayed and the rumors said that it was because they were expecting those video monitors from Japan and that they had technical problems with them. Those monitors were giving the on-stage kling-klang studio a far more retro look, something closed to Dr Mabuse laboratory... I also remember that Bartos (or was it Flur ?) still used the electric drum sticks. One of these 2 guys also used another machine which looked like a "table" with sliders on its top side. Moving the sliders seemed to trigger / stop sequences. As they were doing HALL OF MIRRORS, something went wrong with that machine, and an engineer came from backstage (in the middle of the song) to fix it. I remember that the problem with that gear was noticeble in the music. i never heard any bootleg of that show. Could anyone tell me if anything like that happens ? I also remember that a mutitrack tape recorder was running backstage, apparently recording the show... (no, I wasn't invited backstage, I just saw it in a glance as the engineer rushed from backstage to fix the problem without closing the curtain). ----------- Hey, some weird idea just crossed my mind : Could it be possible that KW (at least from the 81 tour until now) always had a multitrack tape machine running backstage and recording ALL their gigs ? Does anyone on this list have a military commando training ? Obviously the best place for live recordings of VERY HIGH quality must be the Kling Klang attic. Could we make plans for an attack / expedition in order to grab as much material as possible ? We could dig a tunnel, or try to enter the place from the roof... The best time to do that seems to be the Karlsruhe concert : the KK studio will completely desert ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: (kw) The Man Machine in Canada Date: 06 Aug 1997 21:47:47 +0200 Hello, I=B4ve heard that exist a canadian release of The Man Machine with a diferent version of Neonlights. It=B4s that true? Thanks Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Barth" Subject: 1981 videos (was: (kw) My memories (was : 1973 Paris concert + old TV Date: 06 Aug 1997 22:02:40 +0200 ---------- > From: Klaus Zaepke > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: Re: (kw) My memories (was : 1973 Paris concert + old TV > Date: woensdag 6 augustus 1997 18:39 ... > > PARIS CONCERT, JUNE 1981 ... > > while in 81 they used huge monitors which displayed crispy > > graphics. > > Do you (or anybody else) remember any details about the 1981 video > accompaniment? These videos are not very well documented, and I've never > found a detailed description of them... I have some (very badly taken, old camera) photo's from the 10 december 1981 concert in Utrecht, the Netherlands. It shows some shots from the (4) video screens. It's not exhaustive. - Numbers: AFAIK countdown of numbers, also written in different languages, with a square font. - Computerworld: Black KW-heads on yellow (still: not moving) like the contents of the computerscreen on the computerworld album, but inverted. - Autobahn: Autobahn sign (separated road with bridge, still), computerised moving roads, coverpicture of autobahn album (still), cars moving on a road (diagonal, from top right to left bottom) - Neon lights, some picture of kraftwerk members, together with some (neon lighted) texts through it (probably moving): haha and some unreadable text. It could be the text of the song but I'm not sure. - Spiegelsaal: White (left) to dark grey (right) shaded rectangles (7), like a test-image. - Schaufensterpuppen: Four standing silhouettes (black on white, prob. still) - Trans Europe Express: railtracks in a bushy surrounding, some trackchanges (points?), point of view: front of a train (moving). Probably also through industrial area but it was 16 years ago... - Pocketcalculator: black on yellow calculator, 4 heads, japanese characters, picture sleeve (still). - Robots: Large dummy head with digital digits (like a watch, probably counting) on the forehead (color). The screens were about one metre (width) to .6 metre, a bit concave (hollow). The projectors were about two metres before and about .2 metres below the screens. Reicht dass. Klaus? Regards, Erik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam (L) Read" Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk never used a mellotron Date: 07 Aug 1997 06:02:02 +1000 ManMachn2@aol.com wrote: > i don't think kraftwerk ever used a mellotron.... > radioactivity choir is sustained (impossible on mellotron except with > 2 or > use on more than 1 track...) There was also a machine from the UK in 1975 called the Birotron, which had looped tape cartridges and included a choir sound. BTW - looking at the back cover of 'Ralf and Florian' the other day, I noticed that the black eletronic box directly in from of Florian is an EMS Synthi A. I have one here at home and you can just make out the three ocillator controls and suitcase locks in the picture. Does anyone out there have good photos of Kraftwerks' Kling Klang consoles from the 1981 tour?. I would like to put together a full list and description of the gear used. Adam Read # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) The 1981 video accompaniment Date: 06 Aug 1997 23:08:46 +0000 Thanks again to JBV for his information about the 1981 videos! The following is an attempt to summarize all the available information about these videos in one list. The list is obviously very fragmentic, but maybe there are a few more eye-witnesses of the 1981 concerts, who are able to fill some of the gaps? 1) Numbers ??? (Possibly no video accompaniment at all?) 2) Computer World Computer graphics of the four faces, taken from the "Computerwelt" 12" single. 3) Homecomputer Simple, flickering animotion of (I guess) a homecomputer screen. 4) Computer Love ??? 5) The Model The same video as in 1990-1993. 6) Neonlights The promo video (an extended version, I guess?) 7) Radio Activity ??? 8) Stimme der Energie ??? 9) Ohm Sweet Ohm ??? 10) Autobahn Simple Autobahn computer animation & colour films of Autobahn traffic (the same as in 1990-1993, I guess?) 11) Hall of Mirrors ??? 12) Showroom Dummies The promo video (or maybe only the start of the video (the animotion of the four dummy shilouettes)?) 13) Trans Europe Express The promo video (an extended version, I guess?) 14) Pocket Calculator Rainbow coloured stripes & the graphics from the "Pocket Calculator" 7" sleeve & additional films or stills at some of the concerts (maybe taken from the promo video?) 15) The Robots The promo video (an extended version, I guess?) 16) It's more fun to compute ??? 17) Metropolis ??? (I wouldn't be surprised if they showed excerpts from the Fritz Lang movie, but I have no proof. Anyone else?) Of course it is possible that they altered some of the videos during the tour... Any additions and corrections are very welcome! :-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Barth" Subject: Re: (kw) My memories : post-scriptum Date: 06 Aug 1997 22:16:47 +0200 Hi all, ---------- > From: jbv > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) My memories : post-scriptum > Date: woensdag 6 augustus 1997 22:22 ... > Hey, some weird idea just crossed my mind : > Could it be possible that KW (at least from the 81 tour until now) > always had a multitrack tape machine running backstage and recording > ALL their gigs ? > > Does anyone on this list have a military commando training ? > Obviously the best place for live recordings of VERY HIGH quality > must be the Kling Klang attic. Could we make plans for an attack / > expedition in order to grab as much material as possible ? > We could dig a tunnel, or try to enter the place from the roof... > The best time to do that seems to be the Karlsruhe concert : > the KK studio will completely desert ! They probably have one tape which will be overwritten each concert, until they have the perfect recording of the perfect concert (:-) > > jbv Erik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: (kw) Poll Date: 06 Aug 1997 17:14:30 -0600 (MDT) On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Andreas Schuldt wrote: > > How about we organise a poll to discover who is our favourite artist other than > > KW. > > Soonds like a jolly-good idea too me! Ditto. Since we'll be mailing our responses directly to the organizer, that person can publish the statistics. Could that person please respond to me (privately if need be)? I lost the original message and thus the e-mail address. Can we have more than just that simple question though? How about these: Favorite Non-KW Artist/Group Most-Purchased non-KW Artist/Group Best Group that has Included any KW Member Most KW-Like Group Not Including any KW Member Just a thought. I'm sure someone else could come up with something better. --> /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race knows enough about thinking to prevent it." * - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) The Man Machine in Canada Date: 06 Aug 1997 17:19:50 -0600 (MDT) On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Rafa wrote: > I=B4ve heard that exist a canadian release of The Man Machine > with a diferent version of Neonlights. It=B4s that true? Being one of few (if not the only remaining) Canadian list member and a KW= =20 fanatic, you'd think I would know the answer. I don't. I have CD and vinyl versions of the Man-Machine, both purchased here in=20 Canada. I've never noticed a difference between the two. Then again, I=20 don't think I've ever heard a version from a foreign release. If someone else has any info on this I can check my copies. --> /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race knows enough about thinking to prevent it." * - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: (kw) Robots Video Now Avalible Date: 06 Aug 1997 22:29:56 PDT Hello all, I was able to post a RealVideo version of the Robots music video on my web site. I'm still woking on getting the space and bandwidth to post a QucikTime version. Also, is there any other format people want it in? My site can be found at: http://www.dragonfire.net/~petnet ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) 1997 - Album Date: 06 Aug 1997 17:58:21 +0200 (MEST) Hi! On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Georg Jajus wrote: > I heard that the title of the album will be 'Inspector' God! What the hell.. Where did you hear this? Sers zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Carl Sagan - A 20thC Hero Date: 06 Aug 1997 17:53:11 +0200 (MEST) Hi! On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, POOLTON, Richard wrote: > > > How about we organise a poll to discover who is our favourite artist other than > KW. Why not! My favourite Artists other than Kraftwerk are canadian Rockers RUSH Greetings from Muehlviertel zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Robots Video Now Avalible Date: 07 Aug 1997 09:37:02 +0200 >Hello all,=20 > I was able to post a RealVideo version of the Robots music video on my =20 >web site. I'm still woking on getting the space and bandwidth to post a =20 >QucikTime version. Also, is there any other format people want it in?=20 =20 >My site can be found at:=20 >http://www.dragonfire.net/~petnet=20 =20 The address should be: http://www.dragonfire.net/~petenet =20 =20 =20 Mats=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hiroshi MURATA Subject: Re: (kw) Klaftwelk Date: 07 Aug 1997 19:20:41 +0900 Hi 'Werkers, Some Japanese CD sellers doesn't (or couldn't) receive original correct lyrics from original singer/manufacturer, and create lyrics cards by themselves, listening to the song by themselves. This sure is one of the biggest reason for all these confusion. I once read (in an essay in a magazine from Japanese publisher Kenkyusha, late 1980's or early 1990's... I don't remember exactly when...) that some lyrics cards for The Beatles were even worse. Both Beatles and Kraftwerk are from Toshiba EMI here. 8-) We are still lucky though, since nobody ever said it's fun, fun, fun on the Autobahn. :-P Am Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:05:46 -0400 (EDT), schreibt Scott M. Barnhill, > >Got the Japan CD of Computer World today, and as I was looking at the > lyrics I found the following: > >"Interpol and Deutschland, FBI and Scotland Yard"!!! > >While on the sleeve, it says: "Interpol and Deusche BANK, FBI and Scotland > Yard". > >And thats not the only one!!! > >So, if you cant even get that one right, why bother? > > :-) I had mentioned this to the list not so long ago when I picked > up my copy of that disc as well. My personal favorite is the translation of > "Home Computer": > > "Natural ran my home computer, in myself and to the future." > > There's a couple of other little translation mishaps, but all in all > it's a cute item to own, and it's also nice having an official copy of > "Dentaku" on CD as well. I envy you all in Europa. We don't have any KW gigs here... 8-) Best, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo, Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Klaftwelk Date: 07 Aug 1997 13:50:27 +0100 Hiroshi wrote : >I envy you all in Europa. We don't have any KW gigs here... 8-) You should move... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) The Man Machine in Canada Date: 07 Aug 1997 15:41:04 +0000 > > I=B4ve heard that exist a canadian release of The Man Machine > > with a diferent version of Neonlights. It=B4s that true? > > I have CD and vinyl versions of the Man-Machine, both purchased here in > Canada. I've never noticed a difference between the two. This (slightly) different version of "Neonlights" is on a Canadian whitelabel promo pre-release of the original 1978 "Man Machine" LP. The differences to the usual version are minimal, only a few altered sounds. If anybody has a copy for sale, please get in contact! ;-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Some questions about bootleg LP's Date: 07 Aug 1997 15:41:04 +0000 I have spotted the following Kraftwerk bootleg LP's on a saleslist, and I would like to ask if anyone has any more information about these items (track listing, artwork, etc.): a) "Live Frankfurt 81" (mispressing) b) "Muenster 84" c) "Live in France / Metropolis" (1 from 100 pieces) d) "Live Muenchen 81" (2 LP with big sticker, yellow vinyl) e) "Kraft-Box Vol. 1 Nr. 3" (Live in Muenchen, yellow vinyl) The "Muenster 84" one contains obviously a different concert, as Kraftwerk haven't toured in 1984. Does anyone know which one? The "Live in France / Metropolis" one is possibly a mutation of the "Machine" bootleg. Is anyone able to confirm this? Also, "Live Muenchen 81" and "Kraft Box Vol. 1 Nr. 3" feature probably the same recording as the "TBON PABOTHNK" bootleg, I guess? Thanks for any details, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Wolfgang Fluer in New York Date: 07 Aug 1997 15:58:01 +0000 Found at rec.music.newage: > Subject: Kraftwerk > From: dorendoren@aol.com (DorenDoren) > Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:09:33 -0700 > > Former member of Kraftwerk, WOLFGANG FLUR, will be releasing > his new music project under the name YAMO. The elektro pop album > titled TIME PIE will be released on September 9th on Hypnotic Records. > The album also features 'technic-freaks' Jan Werner and Andy Thoma aka > Mouse On Mars. > Wolfgang is joined on vocals on some tracks by Regina Janssen part of > cologne pop duo known as Donna Regina and singer Jeannie, Wolfgang's > niece. > Wolfgang will be in New York at the CMJ Music Convention on Sept. 6th > on the RPM Panel: > Electronic Music of the 90's. > > For further information: > Doreen D'Agostino > Publicist for Wolfgang Flur # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) IRC's #Kraftwerk Channel! Date: 07 Aug 1997 10:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Attention Werkers! The official #Kraftwerk chat channel of IRC (Inter Relay Chat) has moved to its new home on DALnet where it is currently up and running. The channel is devoted to the discussion of the pioneering German electronic artists Kraftwerk, in addition to any and all KW-related subject matter. We are recruiting new and veteran IRC users to take part in the channel's discussions. All are encouraged to come see our official website for the channel, which can be found at the following URL: http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm This page contains channel information and links, one of which will take you directly to the official DALnet FAQ file, an extremely helpful and explanatory guide for new IRC users which will answer every basic question from where and how to download IRC software to utilizing DALnet's special features such as nickname registration, memoserv, etc. Most informative and time-saving. Special thanks go out to Jules Seifert, Robert Krenn, and Fermin Goiriz for not wasting any time in keeping the channel active and occupied, and also to Kevin Busby, Lazlo Nibble, and Anders Wilhelm for graciously linking our site. We hope to see you all in the channel. Should you have any additional questions regarding IRC or the #Kraftwerk channel after reading DALnet's FAQ, feel free to address them to: Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk See you there! "It's more fun to compute..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: Re: (kw) 1997 - Album Date: 07 Aug 1997 15:46:50 +0200 alpezi@zilli.priv.at,Internet writes: >God! What the hell.. >Where did you hear this? Hat mir ein Freund erz=E4hlt...quasi ein Kraftwerk-Spezialist. Aah, ich mua=DF jo auf Englisch schreiben! ;-) A friend of mine told me that fact...could be right. Maybe there's also a 2nd Album, like 'The Mix 2' or so... BTW: Where did you buy your Tickets for Linz? At OE-3 it ist't available yet... Sers, Georgie aus Wien Rendez-vous auf den Champs Elysees Verlass' Paris am Morgen mit dem TEE http://www.kraftwerk.com --=20 ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Lebendige Menschen" CD Date: 07 Aug 1997 17:30:53 +0000 > The tracks have correct speed! No, the first two tracks are in fact too slow. They were obviously mastered from the BBC broadcast. Also, there are the usual little bootlegger inaccuracies in the credits. "Computerlove" is in fact "Computer World", for example. But it's a nice item nonetheless. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Morgan Subject: (kw) Awful thought about the new CD Date: 07 Aug 1997 17:01:36 +0100 Hey guys I was just reading an old issue of Future Music with an interview with Ralph in at the time the Mix came out. In it when asked why they left out so many obvious tracks he replied that maybe the would like to do another Mix 2 in the future . So my nightmare thought is... what after waiting 15 yrs for new material ... all we get is another rehash of oldies ( but goodies ) ....!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) "Lebendige Menschen" CD Date: 07 Aug 1997 16:08:37 GMT Klaus Zaepke wrote: >No, the first two tracks are in fact too slow. They were obviously=20 >mastered from the BBC broadcast. >Also, there are the usual little bootlegger inaccuracies in the=20 >credits. "Computerlove" is in fact "Computer World", for=20 >example. >But it's a nice item nonetheless. I thought as much! NOBODY seems to have the correct speed (except me and few select others of course!) ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "\"Kaoru CHIDA\" Subject: Re:(kw) Klaftwelk (and a good news) Date: 08 Aug 1997 00:16:00 +0900 Hi! All, On Thu, 07 Aug 1997, jbv wrote: >Hiroshi wrote : >>I envy you all in Europa. We don't have any KW gigs here... 8-) > >You should move... I wish if I could move...! *sigh* But,I have a happy news to Japanese werkers. In October, Wolfgang Fluer will come to Tokyo for promotion. A Japanese record company "Pop Biz" will bring out "Time Pie"album in October. (I hear it from a Managing Director of this company.) We can probably meet Wolfgang! :) With Love, KaoRu *** Kaoru CHIDA-Fujishima *** *** Greetings from the Far East xxx *** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: Re[2]: (kw) My memories (was : 1973 Paris concert + old TV Date: 07 Aug 1997 10:02:10 Do you (or anybody else) remember any details about the 1981 video accompaniment? These videos are not very well documented, and I've never found a detailed description of them... >> I remember the TEE video was very diffent to the current one, black and white footage of the guys on a train, and I'm sure the Neon Lights video was a really arty piece showing the four of them looking up to neon lights in a night sky<< # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: Re: (kw) Poll Date: 07 Aug 1997 10:04:53 Yeah the above was my thinking, let's make it easy, just mail me with: a) your favourite other group b) your favourite single artist Should be interesting. Regards Rich (Fir Orchard) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: Re: (kw) My memories : post-scriptum Date: 07 Aug 1997 10:03:58 I also remember that Bartos (or was it Flur ?) still used the electric drum sticks. One of these 2 guys also used another machine which looked like a "table" with sliders on its top side. Moving the sliders seemed to trigger / stop sequences. >> Wolfgang definately did most of the drumming and Karl used the above machine at the Lyceum gig in '81<< # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Awful thought about the new CD Date: 07 Aug 1997 12:45:44 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Mike Morgan wrote: > Hey guys I was just reading an old issue of Future Music with an interview with Ralph in at the time the Mix came out. > In it when asked why they left out so many obvious tracks he replied that maybe the would like to do another Mix 2 in the future . > So my nightmare thought is... what after waiting 15 yrs for new material ... all we get is another rehash of oldies ( but goodies ) > ....!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 I'd love it. Not only would it be better than nothing, but it would be more great examples of KW remixing KW. :) Though new, original stuff would be even better. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: altrnote@sprynet.com Subject: (kw) Mellotron doubts Date: 07 Aug 1997 15:29:31 -0500 On Wed, 06 Aug 1997, jbv wrote: >Well, I'm not sure about how a mellotron works, but as for the >sustained [Radioactivity] choir, I always thought it could be some synth >strings through a vocoder using the "sound freeze" function, the carrier >signal being a natural choir, or simply the formants of a simple >"AAAH" vocal sound. I have always thought this too. If they had their "singing typewriter" system, could they not have set the formants to the "ah" shape and then played any melody or chords through that? If it were a Mellotron or the previously mentioned Orchestron optical disk keyboard rather than some proprietary Kraftwerk device wouldn't that choir sound be on more records (rather than through sampling KW)? Just some thoughts. _____ __ ___ ____ _____ | Joe Schepis / \| |/ \/ \/ ___| | Alternote Music Systems / /\ | /\ /\ |\__ \ | altrnote@sprynet.com | \/ | | | | | |___\ | | home.sprynet.com/sprynet/altrnote \__/|__|__| |__| |__|_____/ | "you call that NOISE? that's MUSIC!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Regor@webtv.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roger_D=E9ziel?=) Subject: (kw) Canadian list member. Date: 07 Aug 1997 15:38:49 -0400 On Aug 6 1997, Soleil "Ra" Lapierre wrote: > Being one of few, if not the only > remaining Canadian list member... I am Canadian too, from the province of Quebec. "Ra", which province are you from ? Any other Canadian on the list ? -- Roger Regor@webtv.net Using WebTV since 01/09/97. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Re : Mellotron doubts Date: 07 Aug 1997 23:07:25 +0100 I listened to RA this afternoon and I'm 99.99% sure the choir sound is a vocoded synth string. That sound lacks the vocal accuracy of a mellotron choir (because analog vocoding looses the phase information of the modulating signal), and furthermore I think that kind of sound manipulation seems perfectly in sync with what they used to do at the time of RA & TEE. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) 1997 - Album Date: 07 Aug 1997 17:19:19 +0200 (MEST) Hi! On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Georg Jajus wrote: > alpezi@zilli.priv.at,Internet writes: > > A friend of mine told me that fact...could be right. Maybe there's also > a 2nd Album, like 'The Mix 2' or so... > BTW: Where did you buy your Tickets for Linz? At OE-3 it ist't > available yet... The Tickets are not available yet. The Posthof Ticket sale will start on 28th of August 14.00 MEST. I dont think that you will get the Tickets at OE-3 even after the 28th... Tschue! > Rendez-vous auf den Champs Elysees > Verlass' Paris am Morgen mit dem TEE > ------------------------------------------- ...whats the TEE Station before Vienna? ... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) Awful thought about the new CD Date: 08 Aug 1997 12:55:23 +0200 > Not only would it be better than nothing That's quite true, but.. > it would be more great examples of KW remixing KW. :) ...what has been great with The Mix ? Actually, they've added a HiHat, removed the noise we know now for more than 20 years, finally managed to save their work into the present (in '91). It's nice to see that they made music for the 90s in the 70s (that's *the* thing on Kraftwerk), but now they should start over and produce music which becomes popular in 2010 ! regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) 1997 - Album Date: 08 Aug 1997 03:57:01 -0700 >>God! What the hell.. >>Where did you hear this? > >Hat mir ein Freund erz=E4hlt...quasi ein Kraftwerk-Spezialist. Aah, >ich >mua=DF jo auf Englisch schreiben! ;-) > >A friend of mine told me that fact...could be right. Maybe there's >also >a 2nd Album, like 'The Mix 2' or so... Perhaps it will be 'Technopop', the first title of the 'Electric Cafe' disc. Or maybe 'Mix II' as is alluded to in 'Man Machine And Music'. Each disc has a very definite theme. Since I STILL have not heard the entire 'new song' yet (ie WHY is every version of the TG concert clipped just short of the 'new song'?!?!?) I can only guess that it might have something to do with a 'world culture' concept. I can hear songs about bio-mechanics and such... Perhaps even human biology. Any ideas? Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts Date: 08 Aug 1997 04:06:32 -0700 >On Wed, 06 Aug 1997, jbv wrote: >>Well, I'm not sure about how a mellotron works, but as for the >>sustained [Radioactivity] choir, I always thought it could be some >synth >>strings through a vocoder using the "sound freeze" function, the >carrier >>signal being a natural choir, or simply the formants of a simple >>"AAAH" vocal sound. > >I have always thought this too. If they had their "singing >typewriter" system, >could they not have set the formants to the "ah" shape and then played >any >melody or chords through that? > >If it were a Mellotron or the previously mentioned Orchestron optical >disk >keyboard rather than some proprietary Kraftwerk device wouldn't that >choir sound >be on more records (rather than through sampling KW)? Exactly. They sculpted their own choir sound. It doesn't sound too human any more if it were originally from an operetic choral finale. It's waaaay too effected to get it pure enough. Jarre also has sounds quite similar, I'm assuming original, such as the choral pads on 'Ethnicolor', just less effected. Again, Elektric Music had another very similar choral sound for 'T.V.' Perhaps they are all using the same source board? What piece of analog equipment do they all have in common? Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Awful thought about the new CD Date: 08 Aug 1997 12:22:47 +0000 Now what would be really cool is for 'The Mix 2' to be remixes of pre-Autobahn material, but that's never going to happen is it?! I for one would love to hear my favourite KW track of all time, 'Tanzmusic' remixed and re-modelled for 1997. Hey, Rich are you there? All my e:mails to you are bouncing back as undeliverable, even replies directly from your personal mails to me! Here's a bit of useful or useless info for you all, HMV here in the UK is where I purchased my Remake 12 inch's from, here is the bar code number for these 12's which you will able to use to get hold of a copy from HMV; 50000079694420007999. I have heard that HMV will be going into partnership with Virgin on one web site to sell their music catalogue's on-line, I wasn't given any dates though. In fact I will do a search now and see what comes up. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Conny Fornbäck Subject: (kw) New KW album in September according to Aftonbladet Date: 08 Aug 1997 13:20:57 +0200 Yesterdays issue of the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet contains a list of CD's that will be released during the autumn. Under "Releases in September" you can find Kraftwerk. No title provided. Doesn't prove anything really... /Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) New KW album in September according to Aftonbladet Date: 08 Aug 1997 13:52:57 +0200 Fine, so we only have to stay tuned for only another month... Regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: (kw) Meeting in Karlsruhe Date: 08 Aug 1997 14:24:52 +0200 Will anyone be at the meeting in Karlsruhe who can trade any of the following items ? * any concert before 1981 * any concert past 1981 * bootlegs of any studio works that arn't available anymore regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) New KW album in September according to Aftonbladet Date: 08 Aug 1997 13:00:29 GMT jss@onestone.de wrote: >Fine, so we only have to stay tuned for only another month... Hmmmmm....... I heard that one before........ ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: (kw) Missing Person! Date: 08 Aug 1997 13:09:40 GMT Hi werkians! Has anyone heard from Statik - aka Johann Weterings, in the past month?=20 I've been trying to locate him, but he's not replying to my mail. The mail isn't bouncing so I only assume that he is away, or is not answering them.=20 He has something very special of mine, and I want it back! Please, anyone who has heard from him, let me know.... ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) Robots Video Now Avalible Date: 08 Aug 1997 15:16:35 +0200 > The address should be: http://www.dragonfire.net/~petenet Is it anywhere available via ftp ? regards, jss # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts Date: 08 Aug 1997 09:32:40 -0400 (EDT) I am 99.9% sure that a vocoder was *not* used to make that choir sound. Vocoders simply do not sound like that.....if that were a vocoder and a string synth - you would hear the sawtooth (or whatever) waveform - like in a lot of John Foxx's vocoded choral sounds and Wendy Carols.....they sound vocoded. The RA choir sound is in fact very similar to a mellotron choir (very clear almost as if it came from tape with no hint of any waveform being vocoded...) and could very easily be mistaken for mellotron...although I am now 99% sure that is was an Orchestron which sounded very similar to the mellotron. KW says they used an "optical disc organ" at this time period....i don't think we would have heard the same sound on other records a) because they probably modified the sound with eq's and filters b) because only 1000 were made. PS - the "talking typewriter" thing was used in the 80's..... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts Date: 08 Aug 1997 23:58:55 +1000 ManMachn2@aol.com wrote: > The RA choir sound is in fact very similar to a mellotron choir > (very clear almost as if it came from tape with no hint of any > waveform being > vocoded...) and could very easily be mistaken for mellotron...although > I am > now 99% sure that is was an Orchestron which sounded very similar to > the > mellotron. http://www.mellotron.com/mellolis.htm lists a couple of Kraftwerk titles ~ Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Awful thought about the new CD Date: 08 Aug 1997 16:20:40 +0100 Hey you crazy fans ! Yesterday evening, as I was doing some cleaning in the house (I do that once a year), I came across an interview of Ralf made by David Korn for the french edition of Keyboards mag. in jan 92. Here are some excerpts (which seem to answer a few questions posted on this list during the past few months): Q: this new album THE MIX is a "training" for the new studio ? A: (...) Yes, Everything is now in sync with the pictures, including the robots. It's a global concept. Q: Is everything mixed live ? A: Yes, there is no multitrack tape anymore. Everything is MIDI with various computers : Mac, PCs with SEquencer Plus, Atari ST with Cubase... I also do lots of things live, for the organic / random acpect of the thing. Q: Some people complain about the lack of inspiration of cover albums... A: It's a document. Like a concert, it's a live record. An exemple of our work from the past few years. We put together this sytem of "computer music live", it works, we are touring with it, and the album comes along with it. Next year, we'll release an album of new songs. (!!!!!!) jbv P.S. David, are you on this list ? Sorry for the crude translation... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts Date: 08 Aug 1997 16:20:58 +0100 Bill C Talley wrote: > > > Exactly. They sculpted their own choir sound. It doesn't sound too > human any more if it were originally from an operetic choral finale. > It's waaaay too effected to get it pure enough. Jarre also has sounds > quite similar, I'm assuming original, such as the choral pads on > 'Ethnicolor', just less effected. Again, Elektric Music had another very > similar choral sound for 'T.V.' Perhaps they are all using the same > source board? What piece of analog equipment do they all have in common? > > Bill > I just listened to the song once again, and if you pay attention (especially at the end, when all the rythmic stuff fades away), you'll notice that it's not a single choir sound, but actually the addition of two (or even three) different vocal sounds : 1) a bass sound that goes "Aaaaaaah" in a very static way and which is definetly a vocoded sound 2) some eerie female vocals, little bit melodic at times, for which it's hard to tell cause it sounds a bit like some samples we could hear in the 80s. However, it's not difficult to sculpt such female choir voices with analog gear (see Tomita) cause it's closed to pure sinewave 3) something in between the two above mentioned sounds, that sounds like a men choir, and which I'm almost sure it's vocoded synth strings (by vocoded I mean : through a bank of fixed formant filters). >What piece of analog equipment do they all have in common? Actually, when Bartos left KW to start EM, he was too broke to afford new gear, so he bought most of the stuff that had been sleeping in the KK cellar for years, and R&F paid the mix sessions of THE MIX with that money. ;-) jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: (kw) Poll Date: 08 Aug 1997 09:32:21 Two replies so far, come on you lot you can do better than that! Let me know your favourite group, other than KW, and your favourite solo artist. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: Re[2]: (kw) Awful thought about the new CD Date: 08 Aug 1997 12:58:06 Sealand Wrote: I for one would love to hear my favourite KW track of all time, 'Tanzmusic' remixed and re-modelled for 1997. >> Would they keep in the whooping and clapping though! Or better still Airwaves, I just love that track!!<< # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: (kw) Faulty address alert!! Date: 08 Aug 1997 12:58:33 Those wishing to mail me re the favourite group poll should reply to: richard.poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Cheers all Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts Date: 08 Aug 1997 13:00:46 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-08 10:30:39 EDT, you write: << 1) a bass sound that goes "Aaaaaaah" in a very static way and which is definetly a vocoded sound 2) some eerie female vocals, little bit melodic at times, for which it's hard to tell cause it sounds a bit like some samples we could hear in the 80s. However, it's not difficult to sculpt such female choir voices with analog gear (see Tomita) cause it's closed to pure sinewave 3) something in between the two above mentioned sounds, that sounds like a men choir, and which I'm almost sure it's vocoded synth strings (by vocoded I mean : through a bank of fixed formant filters). >> sorry..i completely disagree with this.....I am almost certain that it is an orchestron. Tomita used a mellotron for his voices on albums such as "Snowflakes are Dancing" etc....pure sine waves sound nothing like voices - vocal sounds are very very complex and sine waves are obviously not.....I will stick by my orchestron belief because I also think it was used for the strings on "Radioland" and TEE....which don't sound like a string synth OR a mellotron at all. I'm still almost certain that no vocoder was used for these sounds....listen to Wendy Carlos's beethoven choral stuff - THAT sounds like a vocoder. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts Date: 08 Aug 1997 19:59:27 +0100 >pure sine waves sound nothing like voices - vocal sounds are >very very complex and sine waves are obviously not I know how complex vocal sounds are. I only wrote that eerie female vocals are closed to sinewaves (look at the waveshapes of some samples) and therefore could be easily reproduced by analog synthesis. I think that many of this list secretly hope that choir sound is a sculpted sound, and not a preset from a Mellotron or anything like that. But according to another recent posting, the Mellotron Web page lists RA & TEE as albums where a mellotron is used (the vocal harmonies in Showroom dummies for TEE I guess). If it were true, it would be quite disapointing... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Delayed "End of Violence" Date: 08 Aug 1997 20:20:42 +0000 The premiere of Wim Wenders' new movie "The End of Violence", which apparently features a new piece of Kraftwerk music in the soundtrack, has been put back until November 27th, in Germany at least. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts Date: 08 Aug 1997 15:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Why would you be dissapointed to know that KW used presets? They did it on Electric Cafe with a DX-7... also - listen to TEE and ManMachine....the sounds they came up with are not exactly "weird.." c'mon - most of the stuff is extremely simplistic pulsewidth modulated sounds and/or simple sync tones.....and i think it's deliberate. The Vako Orchestron sounds very similar to a mellotron and if it has the sound they want - I think they'd use it...not being too worried about "did we make it ourselves??" --especially in 1975 when virtually no one was making pop music that sounded like them at all - the Orchestron and Mellotron were innovative instruments back then....I think it is totally up KW's alley to use an instrument that utilized glass discs to read photoelectric information to create sounds.....exceedingly innovative - years before laserdiscs and CDs came out.......................... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts Date: 08 Aug 1997 22:53:17 +0100 ManMachn2@aol.com wrote: > > Why would you be dissapointed to know that KW used presets? They did it on > Electric Cafe with a DX-7... > also - listen to TEE and ManMachine....the sounds they came up with are not > exactly "weird.." c'mon - most of the stuff is extremely simplistic > pulsewidth modulated sounds and/or simple sync tones.....and i think it's > deliberate. > The Vako Orchestron sounds very similar to a mellotron and if it has the > sound they want - I think they'd use it...not being too worried about "did we > make it ourselves??" > --especially in 1975 when virtually no one was making pop music that sounded > like them at all - the Orchestron and Mellotron were innovative instruments > back then....I think it is totally up KW's alley to use an instrument that > utilized glass discs to read photoelectric information to create > sounds.....exceedingly innovative - years before laserdiscs and CDs came > out.......................... > Yes, that makes sense. But I think my point of view makes sense too. Actually, the problem is always the same : each single topic finally covers every possible topic about them. I mean : this discussion started as the instrument used to play one melodic part in one song, and soon after we are discussing their attitude towards presets, technology, etc. You know, I'm not disapointed because they used a mellotron instead of spending 200 hours in the studio sculpting a single choir sound. But I don't really understand why people who certainly spent much time and efforts in designing synthetic singing solo voices, didn't use that knowledge on choir sounds as well. May be the word "preset" doesn't exactly fit for the mellotron. And I don't think they should always have their own unique equipment which must be 20 years ahead of everything. I'm not that kind of crazy fan. Simply, in the same interview I mentioned in another recent posting, Ralf says that in the 70s they had a special vocoder build for them by Sennheiser, and another one by Siemens. What for ? To answer the phone ? Bussy says in his book that there was no phone in the studio... And at that time (late 70s & early 80s) I remember having a lot of fun "sculpting" choir sounds with a home-made vocoder, and also digitizing waveforms of single wovel sounds into a ROM driven by a VCO. That was, IMHO, technology much simpler than a mellotron or a Vako Orchestron, but also much more exciting, because one could have more control on the spectrum of the sounds... For God sake, why didn't they call me as a consultant back then ! Well, we could keep on discussing like that for weeks. After all, as long as the music is good, who cares ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk & Cybotron Date: 08 Aug 1997 16:42:42 -0400 I have the track "Clear," and I must tell you that in those days they didn't sample anything because they didn't have the equipment and the technology wasn't that readily available yet. Instead, they replayed the lifted stuff on their own gear as close to the original as possible. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts Date: 08 Aug 1997 17:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Vocoders - why did they have them? ummm - R & F, Autobahn, Radioactivity, TEE, ManMachine, Computer World, etc etc etc spring to mind. Didn't they used a vocoder on "The Robots" unless Ralf really does sound like that..... As for the synthetic voices....that came 10 years after RA - they used a device that was made for blind people to read books to them....I'm sure they modified it a bit so it would be more useful musically - or they could've just dumped it into the Synclavier. Well - yes you can certainly sculpt choir sounds on a vocoder - nice synthetic ones that can sound very majestic. i do it too many times....and just listen to early Wendy Carlos...that still sounds nothing like the voices on RA, which are very similar to a mellotron (ie orchestron). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts Date: 08 Aug 1997 19:47:58 +0000 ManMachn2 was saying: > 3) something in between the two above mentioned sounds, that > sounds like a men choir, and which I'm almost sure it's vocoded > synth strings (by vocoded I mean : through a bank of fixed formant > filters). >> >sorry..i completely disagree with this.....I am almost certain that it is an >orchestron. >Tomita used a mellotron for his voices on albums such as "Snowflakes are >Dancing" etc.... Correct. That's what I thought Kraftwerk used as well, for their choir sounds. I explained once a few months back how Kraftwerk might get a sustained choir sounds - by layering the Mellotron choir sound on two tracks. Record the first 8 seconds on track 1. Then wind the tape back and play a second Mellotron choir sound on track two, a little further along the tape but before the end of the first sound. Go back to track one and play a third sound. If the two tracks are then played simultaneously, the effect is of a continous sound - clever use of the faders ensures that the listener cannot detect the changeover point. If anyone out there has concert videos, can a Mellotron be seen ? >pure sine waves sound nothing like voices A sine wave with vibrato on it sounds like a soprano (sp?). Kraftwerk used such a sound on "Airwaves" on Radioactivity. > - vocal sounds are >very very complex and sine waves are obviously not..... Speech vocal sounds are very complex. A sine wave using vibrato and played with plenty of portamento sounds similar to a soprano - although not exactly the same. >I will stick by my >orchestron belief because I also think it was used for the strings on >"Radioland" and TEE.... I'll agree to disagree there. I'll stake my wig it's a Mellotron. >which don't sound like a string synth OR a mellotron at all. TEE, especially, has that crackly, compressed Mellotron sound that I have come to know VERY well. Check out Jarre's Oxygene Part 7, in the middle. > I'm still almost certain that no vocoder was used for these >sounds.... Kraftwerk's vocoder work was very obvious - the speech parts that are well known. I don't think they experimented with it any further. eg - the lyrics on "The Robots". >listen to Wendy Carlos's beethoven choral stuff - THAT sounds like >a vocoder. Yes, that is the first use ever of vocoders in electronic music. That was a 10-band vocoder assembled out of standard Moog modules. -- /=======================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | | Influence and inspiration from : | | Jarre Vangelis Tomita Carlos Erasure Pinhas TangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.co.uk/customers/Alliance)| \=======================================================================/ Don't worry about temptation--as you grow older, it starts avoiding you. -- Old Farmer's Almanac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Regor@webtv.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roger_D=E9ziel?=) Subject: (kw) (sp?). Date: 08 Aug 1997 21:20:40 -0400 On Aug 8 1997 an e-mail on the list said: > A sine wave with vibrato on it > sounds like a soprano (sp?). KW > used such a sound on "Airwaves"... I have seen that "(sp?)" in several messages on the list, but I still don't know what it means. Would somebody please tell me what "(sp?)" stands for and when it is appropriate to use it. PLEASE, I will sleep better if I know what it means ! Thanks. -- Roger Regor@webtv.net Using WebTV since 01/09/97. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: altrnote@sprynet.com (Joe Schepis) Subject: (kw) 1981 concert videos Date: 08 Aug 1997 22:52:29 -0400 On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, "Klaus Zaepke" wrote: > >The following is an attempt to summarize all the available information >about these videos in one list. >The list is obviously very fragmentic, but maybe there are a few more >eye-witnesses of the 1981 concerts, who are able to fill some of the gaps? > I witnessed the New York City concert on 3 August 1981 at The Ritz. During the song 'Radioactivity' the video screens displayed a computer animation of an atom with orbiting electrons and the word 'radioactivity' flashing beneath. As the Radioactivity Suite (as I call it) moved on to 'The Voice Of Energy' it changed to the graphic of the antenna tower from the inside sleeve of Radio-Acvitity, only animated with slowly radiating concentric ellipses (a bit like the www.kraftwerk.com index page but a much cooler and smoother black and white animation). This continued to the end of 'Ohm Sweet Ohm.' Normally I would not trust my memory from 16 years ago as being accurate. However the day after the concert I made some very detailed notes about everything I witnessed so I could review the show for my college newspaper. It took a while to find the notes but I am confident this is accurate info. The other video descriptions mentioned recently are consistent with my recollections as well. Hope this helps share the joy. Joe Schepis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: freiheit@tstonramp.com Subject: (kw) Introduction Date: 08 Aug 1997 19:14:38 PST Hello, I'm new on the Kraftwerk mailing list so I'll introduce myself briefly. My name is dON eITNER (aka UncleGrim & Freiheit), I'm 22 years old, live in California, usa, don't speak more than a few words of German but love Kraftwerk all the same. I've been a fan since about 1992 when my cousin introduced me to The Mix and Computer World. I'm a writer (novel, short stories, poetry/lyrics) and would very much like some day to have a band which will cover various styles including some very Kraftwerk-esque styles. Thanks a lot, I hope to have a great time on this list and I hope I meet some cool people. /------------------dON eITNER------------------\ | published author, web publisher, OS/2 user | |----------------------------------------------| | freiheit@tstonramp.com | | http://www.tstonramp.com/~freiheit/styx.html | \----------------------------------------------/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alex Laney Subject: Re: (kw) The Man Machine in Canada Date: 09 Aug 1997 00:48:58 -0400 Ra wrote: > On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Rafa wrote: > > > I=B4ve heard that exist a canadian release of The Man Machine > > with a diferent version of Neonlights. It=B4s that true? > > Being one of few (if not the only remaining) Canadian list member and > a KW > fanatic, you'd think I would know the answer. I don't. If I recall correctly, there was a problem with the sound quality of the Canadian pressing, and you could return it and get a replacement in the mail. So it was re-released. But I don't believe this was an alternate version, although I guess if you have the 'bad' version, it is unique today. Alex Laney, Alden Consulting, Ottawa, Canada # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alex Laney Subject: Re: (kw) My memories : post-scriptum Date: 09 Aug 1997 01:15:32 -0400 No heresy intended ... Now that KW seems to be re-activating, does it seem that they are now a 'retro' act? My perspective: I have never seen a KW show, I don't know if they have played anywhere near where I have lived. (Ottawa and Toronto, Canada) So if I were to see a show now, it would be the first time. And if it is like the TG show, it is a Greatest Hits show, which is what passes through regularly in North America cities. Every Rolling Stones show and especially the Eagles tour. I think this new album will answer a lot of questions. I am reminded of some words that Tom Hanks said of doing Apollo 13. How they were doing a period piece about a spaceship going to the Moon. And how odd that felt. I mean, I have always thought of KW as being very forward-thinking, ahead of its time, etc. But from here, it's like they have disappeared for 10 years. But to get more to the point, there are some TG attendees on this list. What did it seem like? I have heard the real audio from the infobahr and liked it, but I can't compare. I wonder if they have new ideas. And IMHO, I think this is an excellent mailing list! Very little noise. Alex Laney Alden Consulting, Ottawa, Canada # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) My memories : post-scriptum Date: 09 Aug 1997 07:29:05 +0200 At 01:15 1997-08-09 -0400, Alex Laney wrote: >But to get more to the point, there are some TG attendees on this list. >What did it >seem like? I have heard the real audio from the infobahr and liked it, >but I can't >compare. I wonder if they have new ideas. When I listen to "The Mix" (-91) it sound very Kraftwerkish and new.. even 6 years after the release.. "The New Song" Played at TG, feels like they have listened to various music and mixed it together into a kraftwerk-reality. Trance Pocket Calculator on Acid maybe.. Old + New would I say =P //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Awful thought about the new CD Date: 08 Aug 1997 23:59:20 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 8 Aug 1997 jss@onestone.de wrote: > > it would be more great examples of KW remixing KW. :) > > ...what has been great with The Mix ? Actually, they've added a HiHat, > removed the noise we know now for more than 20 years, finally managed to > save their work into the present (in '91). Beamed themselves into the future, so to speak. Personally, The Mix is my favorite. Computer World is a close second. > It's nice to see that they made music for the 90s in the 70s (that's *the* > thing on Kraftwerk), but now they should start over and produce music which > becomes popular in 2010 ! Maybe that's what they're working on. But the sample of their new track from The Gathering isn't very encouraging. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Poll Date: 09 Aug 1997 00:04:33 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 8 Aug 1997, POOLTON, Richard wrote: I'm posting this to the list in case this is the problem with the poll. > Two replies so far, come on you lot you can do better than that! > Let me know your favourite group, other than KW, and your favourite solo artist. Is one of them mine? If so, here's the reason others are having trouble. Your e-mail address appears in your messages as: richard.poolton@dmgexhib.dmgexhib.co.uk I tried that three times and got bounced. The final message I sent to: richard.poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk and it didn't bounce. If you got one copy of my message, Richard, then that's probably why. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Faulty address alert!! Date: 09 Aug 1997 00:05:31 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 8 Aug 1997, POOLTON, Richard wrote: > Those wishing to mail me re the favourite group poll should reply to: > richard.poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Doh! Well there you go. Ignore my last message, everyone. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) My memories : post-scriptum Date: 09 Aug 1997 00:11:10 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, 9 Aug 1997, Alex Laney wrote: > act? My perspective: I have never seen a KW show, I don't know if they > have played anywhere near where I have lived. (Ottawa and Toronto, > Canada) So if I were to see They played in Toronto. Not sure of the exact date, but it was on the order of 12 years ago. A friend of mine went to see them. He said they had a little electronic keyboard radio-linked to one of their synths, and they passed it around so the audience could jam with them. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Awful thought about the new CD Date: 09 Aug 1997 10:56:44 GMT Ra wrote: >Beamed themselves into the future, so to speak. >Personally, The Mix is my favorite. Computer World is a close second. Guys, I don't want to get into the old 'which is the best' argument again, suffice to say that IMHO 'The Mix' was the first album Kraftwerk made that sounded dated when it was released.=20 Honestly, the bands sprouting up at that time (during the rave scene in the UK) were by far more advanced in their production and ingenuity. If the next album is to be a 'Mix 2' I for one will be bitterly disappointed.=20 It would finally seal the nail in the Kraftwerk coffin. hmmm.... BTW - wonder if Ralf would like to be buried with his bikes??? ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: (kw) New album according to aftonbladet... Date: 09 Aug 1997 13:34:43 +0200 (MDT) The article Conny mentions is available at http://www.aftonbladet.se/noje/9708/07skivor.html I've mailed aftonbladet and asked for information on what source they have for the KW-date. /anders -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * mailto:dvlawm@cs.umu.se or trafo@analogue.org * * Umea University * http://www.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm * * Sweden * http://wilhelm.ml.org/ * *************************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) New album according to aftonbladet... Date: 09 Aug 1997 14:21:15 +0200 At 13:34 1997-08-09 +0200, Anders Wilhelm wrote: > >The article Conny mentions is available at >http://www.aftonbladet.se/noje/9708/07skivor.html correction: http://www.aftonbladet.se/noje/9708/07/skivor.html I believe they just based that on rumors... 30% of the papers articles are crap anyway. //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: Re: (kw) Awful thought about the new CD Date: 09 Aug 1997 14:29:53 +0200 >Mike Morgan >Hey guys I was just reading an old issue of Future Music with an >interview with Ralph in at the time the Mix came out. >In it when asked why they left out so many obvious tracks he replied >that maybe the would like to do another Mix 2 in the future . >So my nightmare thought is... what after waiting 15 yrs for new >material ... all we get is another rehash of oldies ( but goodies ) >....!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Maybe there will be two albums...one with new material and the other 'Mix 2'. I would like to have 'new' versions of The Model, Showroom Dummies,... Georgie Rendez-vous auf den Champs Elysees Verlass' Paris am Morgen mit dem TEE http://www.kraftwerk.com -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) the 'new song' Date: 09 Aug 1997 14:35:24 +0200 >discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) >Since I STILL have not heard the >entire 'new song' yet (ie WHY is every version of the TG concert clipped >just short of the 'new song'?!?!?) It's short - but it sounds great! Music of the next century... Georgie Rendez-vous auf den Champs Elysees Verlass' Paris am Morgen mit dem TEE http://www.kraftwerk.com -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Awful thought about the new CD Date: 09 Aug 1997 07:39:31 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, 9 Aug 1997, Jules Seifert wrote: > Ra wrote: > >Beamed themselves into the future, so to speak. > >Personally, The Mix is my favorite. Computer World is a close second. > I don't want to get into the old 'which is the best' argument again, As long as it doesn't degenerate into a flame war, I like to hear other peoples' opinions on these matters. The hard part is to get everyone to keep an open mind. > suffice to say that IMHO 'The Mix' was the first album Kraftwerk made > that sounded dated when it was released. > Honestly, the bands sprouting up at that time (during the rave scene > in the UK) were by far more advanced in their production and You have to realize it's not quite that way here. What's "hot" in Europe is what's just starting to appear in North America, and it doesn't become "hot" here until a year or two later. In my experience, anyway. > ingenuity. If the next album is to be a 'Mix 2' I for one will be > bitterly disappointed. > It would finally seal the nail in the Kraftwerk coffin. Well yes, I can agree to a certain extent. Not getting something completely new after all this time would be a big letdown. But I think a "Mix 2" would be less of a coffin nail than nothing at all. At least it would keep the LW name in the public mind. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Awful thought about the new CD Date: 09 Aug 1997 16:07:53 GMT Ra wrote: >But I think a "Mix 2" would be less of a coffin nail than nothing at = all. >At least it would keep the LW name in the public mind. Point taken RA, I too would like 'something more than nothing' but, as we now know that there IS new material available, it would be a shame if it didn't see the light of day....... ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Introduction Date: 09 Aug 1997 16:07:59 GMT freiheit@tstonramp.com wrote: >I'm new on the Kraftwerk mailing list so I'll introduce myself briefly. = =20 >My name is dON eITNER (aka UncleGrim & Freiheit) Welcome to the List Don, =46or all the other list members, Don came to us via our IRC web page, and joined in the discussion there. (I seem to remember we were talking about computers though!) I mentioned the list to him, and he was interested. So, come on listies, what are you waiting for? Go get an IRC client and get interactive!! ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: (kw) Tribal Gathering Festival Date: 09 Aug 1997 19:09:22 +0200 http://www.users.wineasy.se/conny.annica/bootlegs/ Have a look at the Kraftwerk section: Kraftwerk/Great Britain/Luton Hoo/Tribal Gathering/Festival/1997-05-24/110 min/Very Good/Includes a new unreleased track! And "Man Machine" He's got the whole concert... regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) the 'new song' from the present Date: 09 Aug 1997 21:40:38 +0200 > It's short - but it sounds great! Music of the next century... Hmm, I thought I've heared that fat acid bass several times before, but I might be wrong. Does anybody of you know the finnish group Panasonic ? Their music sounds like from the next decade, esp. the '95 album 'Vakio'. regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Awful and discardable thoughts about the new CD Date: 09 Aug 1997 14:14:55 -0700 >> ingenuity. If the next album is to be a 'Mix 2' I for one will be >> bitterly disappointed. >> It would finally seal the nail in the Kraftwerk coffin. 'The Mix' is only comprised of remixes of previously released material. If this new album is supposedly 'The Mix II' then it wouldn't it also be comprised STRICKTLY of previously released music too? We've all heard the little "snippet" of the *NEW* song, so logically that means an album of all new pieces. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Awful and discardable thoughts about the new CD Date: 09 Aug 1997 20:44:23 -0400 (EDT) the "snippet" of the new song scares me a bit as to what KW are doing with their time. bikes anyone? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Awful and discardable thoughts about the new CD Date: 09 Aug 1997 19:01:58 -0700 On Sat, 9 Aug 1997 20:44:23 -0400 (EDT) ManMachn2@aol.com writes: > >the "snippet" of the new song scares me a bit as to what KW are doing >with >their time. bikes anyone? You know, if I heard the entire piece I might have a different attitude towards it. Also, who's to say that KW didn't display what they currently consider the "weakest" link on the disc for testing. That old addage goes "you are only as strong as your weakest link" - and with as much research as they perform, this fits in with their style and attitude. Just a thought... Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts + dancing Date: 09 Aug 1997 20:01:08 -0700 >I think that many of this list secretly hope that choir sound is >a sculpted sound, and not a preset from a Mellotron or anything like >that. But according to another recent posting, the Mellotron Web >page lists RA & TEE as albums where a mellotron is used (the vocal >harmonies in Showroom dummies for TEE I guess). >If it were true, it would be quite disapointing... Nonsense! I'm not at all disappointed if this is true. It just once AGAIN displays the genius of KW. They are able to take a very simple sound from a rather "common" synth and layer it perfectly into their music. The sounds work so well, it's very arguable about the exact sources used. God, I'd LOVE for them to take some of the newer digital boards and "werk" them over too!! I'm guessing that this new album is going to sound more like digital sounds acting analog from the little snippet of 'New Song'that I've heard. On an off note (pertaining to the "influence" of the new album) - I'm thinking that it would be cool if KW did an album based on major ethnic festivals and holidays. Today is Homowo, an African harvest festival - I am listening to the rhythms and very minimal "xylophone" style instruments and can imagine KW doing something similar (using electronic soundscapes.) Also, the exacting dances of some of the tribes represented really look robotic. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Awful and discardable thoughts about the new CD Date: 09 Aug 1997 22:33:26 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, 9 Aug 1997, Bill C Talley wrote: > On Sat, 9 Aug 1997 20:44:23 -0400 (EDT) ManMachn2@aol.com writes: > >the "snippet" of the new song scares me a bit as to what KW are doing > >with their time. bikes anyone? > > You know, if I heard the entire piece I might have a different attitude > towards it. Also, who's to say that KW didn't display what they > currently consider the "weakest" link on the disc for testing. That old > addage goes "you are only as strong as your weakest link" - and with as > much research as they perform, this fits in with their style and > attitude. Just a thought... Based on what I know of KW, I'm sure they were just testing the waters with that piece. I agree that it's probably not one of the major pieces for the next album (if there is one). They probably just wanted to see if people liked it and would be excited by new material. Plus, it's a teaser. It's different enough from previous werks to get people speculating. I've heard the snippet. I don't think it's inherently bad, but it shocked me a little. It doesn't sound like KW at all. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: (kw) Panasonic (was: the 'new song' from the present) Date: 10 Aug 1997 11:58:24 +0300 jss@onestone.de wrote: > Does anybody of you know the finnish group Panasonic ? Their music sounds > like from the next decade, esp. the '95 album 'Vakio'. Yeah, and their newest (I think) album 'Kulma' is great, too! Now, back to Kraftwerk: I don't think it's fair to expect KW to invent a new style of music AGAIN. They already did their thing. Now if they can put out a reasonably fresh variation of their style, that's enough for me. Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts Date: 09 Aug 1997 20:30:46 +0000 jbv was saying: >> sounded like them at all - the Orchestron and Mellotron were innovative >> instruments back then....I think it is totally up KW's alley to use an >> instrument that utilized glass discs to read photoelectric information to >> create sounds.....exceedingly innovative - years before laserdiscs and CDs >> came out.......................... >You know, I'm not disapointed because they used a mellotron instead >of spending 200 hours in the studio sculpting a single choir sound. >But I don't really understand why people who certainly spent much >time and efforts in designing synthetic singing solo voices, didn't >use that knowledge on choir sounds as well. The reason is because it is not possible, at least on an analogue synthesizer, to sculpt a realistic choir sound. Wendy Carlos tried to do it on a classical work in 1969 - it was so unrealistic that she didn't release it (she discusses it on her "Secrets of Synthesis" album). If Wendy Carlos can't do it, then you can be SURE it's impossible! :) >May be the word "preset" doesn't exactly fit for the mellotron. Since you can't edit the sound or alter it's qualities, then I think it is pretty much the same idea as a preset. Changing presets on a standard Mellotron is not an enjoyable pastime! The entire rack of tapes had to be removed and replaced with a rack of different sounding tapes. >And I don't think they should always have their own unique equipment >which must be 20 years ahead of everything. I'm not that kind of crazy >fan. Well, they might want it this way so that they can create unique and interesting sounds. >Simply, in the same interview I mentioned in another recent posting, >Ralf says that in the 70s they had a special vocoder build for them >by Sennheiser, and another one by Siemens. What for ? To answer the >phone ? Bussy says in his book that there was no phone in the studio... No no! A vocoder is used for speaking sounds (for instance, "The Robots"). >And at that time (late 70s & early 80s) I remember having a lot of fun >"sculpting" choir sounds with a home-made vocoder, and also digitizing >waveforms of single wovel sounds into a ROM driven by a VCO. Yes, this is possible. >That was, IMHO, technology much simpler than a mellotron or a Vako >Orchestron, but also much more exciting, because one could have more >control on the spectrum of the sounds... Yes! I agree completely! :) -- /=======================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | | Influence and inspiration from : | | Jarre Vangelis Tomita Carlos Erasure Pinhas TangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.co.uk/customers/Alliance)| \=======================================================================/ "Recursion : see Recursion" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: (kw) Some Reviews Date: 10 Aug 1997 23:00:51 +0900 Hi 'Werkers, British monthly magazine "The Wire" (issue 162, August 1997) has some reviews of latest CDs of Kraftwerk-related musicians. Mouse on Mars "Autoditacker" (Too Pure, Pure 70, CD/LP) Conrad Schnitzler "Rot" (Plate Lunch, Punch 01, CD) Conrad Schnitzler "00/106" (Plate Lunch, Punch 02, CD) For details, please refer the issue. The publisher can be reached at . ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) Klaus Dinger News Date: 10 Aug 1997 23:45:31 +0900 Hi 'Werkers, At 2 Aug 1997 23:45:51 +0000, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > 2. The following projects are currently in preparation: > b) the publication of live recordings from the 1996 Japan concerts, Live CD??? 8-) I went to Tokyo gig and it took FOUR hours! Also Osaka gig took THREE hours. How the disk will be? I'm just curious. 8-) I just hope the La! Neu? flag, which was only sold at the place & from Captain Trip, becomes a rarity. ;-) Best, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering Festival Date: 10 Aug 1997 15:29:16 GMT jss@onestone.de wrote: >Kraftwerk/Great Britain/Luton Hoo/Tribal = Gathering/Festival/1997-05-24/110 >min/Very Good/Includes a new unreleased track! And "Man Machine" > >He's got the whole concert... I've been in contact with this guy. It appears he has the same recording as I have, a pretty good (in parts) recording from the festival. I can, with the author's permission, eventually offer this on a CD to the list, but I'm waiting for confirmation of the first mastered copy. This guy wants to trade 2:1 so I'd be wary. ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Regor@webtv.net (R D) Subject: Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering Festival Date: 10 Aug 1997 11:22:22 -0400 Regarding the 110 min. KW TG-97 tape, Joerg-Stefan, do you have the tape or you are just giving the info for the following site: http://www.users.wineasy.se/conny.annica/bootlegs/ If you have the tape, please give us more info on the sound quality etc... Anybody already made a trade with them? Do we need to have a tape of a show or a radio broadcast to trade with them? Are they reliable? Thanks. -- Roger Regor@webtv.net Using WebTV since 01/09/97. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering Festival Date: 10 Aug 1997 17:38:38 +0200 Sorry, I do not have the tape, I only provided you the information that it is actually available ! regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Awful and discardable thoughts about the new CD Date: 10 Aug 1997 11:51:02 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-09 22:06:53 EDT, you write: << You know, if I heard the entire piece I might have a different attitude towards it. Also, who's to say that KW didn't display what they currently consider the "weakest" link on the disc for testing. That old addage goes "you are only as strong as your weakest link" - and with as much research as they perform, this fits in with their style and attitude. Just a thought... >> Well - the entire "Mix" album, in my personal opinion (which means nothing but to me!), is pretty weak....someone recently said that it was the first thing they released that sounded dated from the get-go and I will agree.....so based on the snippet of the new song that I've heard, i'm gonna guess that most of the music is quarternote bass drum, off-beat hi hat, and a techno 303 bassline. KW don't seem too interested to deviate from the norm within an album anymore....like TEE. many of the songs had nice, simplistic, mechanical driving tunes...and then they interject with something unconventional like "Hall of Mirrors." That, to me, is very interesting and daring....like the entire "Radioactivity" album. About the "research" that they do. Can we really believe everything that Ralf tells us? I mean, supposedly they've been working endlessly on new material in their scientific lab since 1986....then they come out with a song like the new one? Hmmm. to me anyway - that doesn't warrant 11+ years of "research" (unless they actually are doing research for other audio interests like synth companies etc....) this is just what i've been pondering lately :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts + dancing Date: 10 Aug 1997 11:54:18 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-09 23:10:30 EDT, you write: << Nonsense! I'm not at all disappointed if this is true. It just once AGAIN displays the genius of KW. They are able to take a very simple sound from a rather "common" synth and layer it perfectly into their music. >> I agree with this. Didn't Ralf do an interview with Keyboard magazine or something in the early 80's where he displayed that "Pocket Calculator" could be played and programmed on a typical Casio synth, thereby showing that music really is for the whole of mankind (or something like that???) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Conny Fornbäck Subject: Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering Festival Date: 10 Aug 1997 18:10:34 +0200 OK, about the fuzz around the TG-recording. It is actually me who keeps the list pointed to earlier. So it's not anonymous. I hope I'm recognized by at least some of the list members since I by now have posted quite a few messages to the list. I didn't want to publish the address of my tape-list to the mailing-list, by several reasons. Mostly because of respect to the ones on the list who owns this recording. I didn't record it myself, and the holder of the first generation recording is on this list. So I didn't find it appropriate for me to "compete" with these people here on the list. They did me a favour, I want to be fair to them. But now someone else published the address. I can do nothing about that. And of course I'm interested in trading tapes. The reason why I keep a list is because I frequently trade tapes (by many different groups) with people all over the world. It is common practise to have a page with the tapes you want to trade for other tapes. *In this sphere* it is also common practise to re-trade items you have got through trades, that's how it works. This is actually semi-legal by law and 100%-legal by most peoples morality standards. I woun't make more advertisement here on the list about the items I have. I'm always interested in trading, but if you want to trade with me you will have to find my list by e-mailing me privately (or find the message sent by someone else). I don't find it fair to use the list as a forum for information about the specifics of my TG-copy. I hope no-one feels treated unfair by this little accident, and I hope that I and everybody elso who likes tape-trading will be able to continue doing so, off the list. Regards Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JRindfrey@aol.com Subject: (kw) who are the guests? Date: 10 Aug 1997 13:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Hi, I don't know if this has already been discussed, but in the announcement for the Karlsruhe concert it says "Kraftwerk and guests". Anybody knows who the "guests" are? Jochen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering Festival Date: 10 Aug 1997 10:26:30 -0700 >I hope no-one feels treated unfair by this little accident, and I hope >that I and everybody elso who likes tape-trading will be able to >continue doing so, off the list. > >Regards > >Conny Fornbäck Connie, it's really very nice of you to offer trading anyhow. Yes, I agree with trading being done privately. L8r... Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Klaus Dinger News Date: 10 Aug 1997 10:17:42 -0700 >At 2 Aug 1997 23:45:51 +0000, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > 2. The following projects are currently in preparation: > > b) the publication of live recordings from the 1996 Japan >concerts, > >Live CD??? 8-) > >I went to Tokyo gig and it took FOUR hours! >Also Osaka gig took THREE hours. > >How the disk will be? I'm just curious. 8-) > >I just hope the La! Neu? flag, which was only sold at >the place & from Captain Trip, becomes a rarity. ;-) With information like this from your every message, you are what really keeps this list alive for me Hiroshi. Thanks for all of the research and time that you put in. You must really love KW a lot... I'm betting that they are getting some form of "super" multi-media project prepared for release. When they were in LA (years back - 1991ish?) they were putting on some kind of virtual-reality concert where the audience had to wear goggles. I believe that there was some form of review in a Keyboard magazine (US). It seems that they are heavily interested in creating better, more interactive forms of 'communication' and 'entertainment' (so that they will make 'money', save 'time' and not have to 'travel', I'll bet.) L8r... Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: freiheit@tstonramp.com Subject: (kw) This is true Date: 09 Aug 1997 16:31:32 PST "For all the other list members, Don came to us via our IRC web page, and joined in the discussion there." This is true. In my excitement over getting onto the mailing list (my first ever) I forgot to mention that I found you via the #kraftwerk IRC page at http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm. Sorry about that Jules. :-\ At the moment I'm especially interested in news about recent Kraftwerk concerts (the one in the UK and any others coming in the near future). Also, if anyone has The Remix, is it really worth hunting down and buying? Thanks again, /------------------dON eITNER------------------\ | published author, web publisher, OS/2 user | |----------------------------------------------| | freiheit@tstonramp.com | | http://www.tstonramp.com/~freiheit/styx.html | \----------------------------------------------/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Mexican picuture disc of "Autobahn" Date: 10 Aug 1997 08:31:08 -0400 Hi werkers I have spotted in a record store here in Zuerich a picture disc of "Autobahn" (it says "Hecha in Mexico") for sale for CHF 50, which is ca. USD 35. The one side of the disc depicts the four members of KW sitting a= t a table in front of tree (as on the poster that came with the German TEE LP), the other side depicts the traffic cone, if I remember correctly. Does anybody know anything about this? I believe it is a bootleg. Is this= worth the money? Thanks for answers! Regards Roland PS: Music and Video Exchange in Notting Hill Gate, London sells the Kraft= DJ-promos for UKP 30 a piece...ouch! But I was also told that Reckless Records in Islington has them for GBP 15. I also saw them at Sister Ray o= n Berwick Street, they had it as decoration, with all the other collectable= s, put on the wall, but with no price attached....I did not dare to ask for = a price in fear of immediate fainting.... They look very nice though, with= the Roboter from Kraftwerk.com on the cover! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) The 1981 video accompaniment (v. 2.0) Date: 10 Aug 1997 20:15:39 +0000 Thanks to all who have responded to my question regarding the 1981 concert videos! Here is an updated version of the list I've posted a few days ago. I was so free to use some quotes from Erik Barth, JBV and Joe Schepis unchanged. Kraftwerk's 1981 live video accompaniment (v. 2.0): 1) Numbers Countdown of numbers, also written in different languages, with a square font. 2) Computer World Stills of the four faces, black on yellow, taken from the "Computerwelt" 12" single and/or from the "Computer World" album (inverted). 3) Homecomputer Simple, flickering animotion of (I guess) a homecomputer screen. 4) Computer Love ??? 5) The Model The same video as in 1990-1993. 6) Neonlights The promo video & some additional text (possibly the text of the song) 7) Radio Activity Computer animation of an atom with orbiting electrons and the word 'radioactivity' flashing beneath. 8) Stimme der Energie / Ohm Sweet Ohm Graphic of the antenna tower from the inside sleeve of Radio-Acvitity, animated with slowly radiating concentric ellipses (apparently the same animotion as used in the "Antenna" promo video). 9) Autobahn Autobahn sign (separated road with bridge, still); very simple computer animation (in the early 80s video game style) showing a highway from a driver's point of view, with occasional trees passing on each side and a yellow dashed line constantly moving in the middle; cover picture of the "Autobahn" album (still), cars moving on a road (diagonal, from top right to left bottom) & colour films of Autobahn traffic, at least at some of the concerts (the same scenes as in 1990-1993, I guess?) 10) Hall of Mirrors White (left) to dark grey (right) shaded rectangles (7), like a test-image. 11) Showroom Dummies The start of the promo video (animotion (or various stills) of the four dummy shilouettes). 12) Trans Europe Express The promo video (synchronised to the music) & additional video footage (railtracks in a bushy surrounding, some trackchanges (points?), point of view: front of a train (moving), maybe also through industrial area)) 13) Pocket Calculator Rainbow coloured stripes & the graphics from the "Pocket Calculator" 7" sleeve (still) & additional films or stills at some of the concerts (maybe taken from the promo video?) 14) The Robots The promo video (an extended version, I guess?) 15) It's more fun to compute ??? 16) Metropolis ??? Of course it is possible that they altered some of the videos during the tour. Additions and corrections are still welcome! :-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Klaus Dinger's Japan concerts Date: 10 Aug 1997 20:15:39 +0000 > > b) the publication of live recordings from the 1996 Japan concerts, > > Live CD??? 8-) Yes, so it seems. :-) > I went to Tokyo gig and it took FOUR hours! > Also Osaka gig took THREE hours. May I ask which tracks were performed at these concerts? Endless improvisations a la la! NEU?, or also "classic" NEU! and La Duesseldorf material? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) The 1976 slide accompaniment Date: 10 Aug 1997 20:15:39 +0000 While we're discussing the 1981 videos, I thought that it could be also interesting to compile all the known information about the visual accompaniment of the 1976 tour. Here is what I know about the 1976 slide-show: 1) Intro Image of a brick wall, with "Die Mensch Maschine" written on it. 2) Kometenmelodie Various slides of comets. 3) Europe Endless The photo from the "Trans Europe Express" LP inner sleeve. 4) Radioactivity Radiation symbol. 5) Airwaves An Antenna (probably from the "Radioactivity" LP inner sleeve, I guess?) 6) The Voice of Energy / Ohm Sweet Ohm UV light show (possibly no slides?). 7) Trans Europe Express A picture of the Trans Europe Express train. 8) Tongebirge ??? 9) Autobahn "Autobahn" LP cover motive. 10) Showroom Dummies ??? As always, any further details would be very welcome! :-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "\"Kaoru CHIDA\" Subject: (kw) Elektro Mueller GmbH? Date: 11 Aug 1997 03:55:00 +0900 Dear Boys, I searched the list of German Commercial Registration, and I found a company situated at the same address as Kling Klang Studio. Have you ever heard a name of company "Elektro Mueller GmbH"? Is this Kraftwerk's company??? Bye, KaoRu *** Kaoru CHIDA-Fujishima *** *** Greetings from the Far East xxx *** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: blanks@super.win.or.jp (BLANKS) Subject: Re: (kw) Elektro Mueller GmbH? Date: 11 Aug 1997 04:10:53 +0900 At 3:55 AM 97.8.11 +0900, \"Kaoru CHIDA\ wrote: >Dear Boys, > >I searched the list of German Commercial Registration, and I found >a company situated at the same address as Kling Klang Studio. >Have you ever heard a name of company "Elektro Mueller GmbH"? >Is this Kraftwerk's company??? Excuse me, but are you a Detective?? Sakura from tokyo Japan. UNE PLACE SUR LA TERRE COMME AU CIEL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Fonts (again) Date: 10 Aug 1997 23:29:52 +-200 Liebe Werkers! Sorry to bother you, but does anyone have the "Electric Cafe" font? Or does anyone know where to find it? Danke Uffe _________________________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) Klaus Dinger's Japan concerts Date: 11 Aug 1997 09:00:31 +0900 Hallo Klaus and all, At 10 Aug 1997 20:15:39 +0000, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > I went to Tokyo gig and it took FOUR hours! > > Also Osaka gig took THREE hours. > > May I ask which tracks were performed at these concerts? Endless > improvisations a la la! NEU?, or also "classic" NEU! and La > Duesseldorf material? Sorry, it's out of memory, it was just too lengthy... ;-) According to Japanese magazine "ele-king" vol.11 (Feb/Mar 1997), Ken Matsutani (Mr. Captain Trip!) said the tracks were: Viva, Hero 96, Mayday, 22 Dec 1995, Amerika, and Cha cha 2000. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Conny Fornbäck Subject: Re: (kw) The 1976 slide accompaniment Date: 11 Aug 1997 12:18:09 +0200 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > While we're discussing the 1981 videos, I thought that it could be also > interesting to compile all the known information about the visual > accompaniment of the 1976 tour. Hey? I've been missing something here! The 1976 tour? Where else than Paris did KW play in 1976? How come they played by then unreleased songs? (The TEE-album wasn't released until 1977, was it?) What else do we know about the 1976 (or is it 1977) tour? Regards /Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) The 1976 European tour Date: 11 Aug 1997 13:14:45 +0200 (DFT) > > While we're discussing the 1981 videos, I thought that it could be also > > interesting to compile all the known information about the visual > > accompaniment of the 1976 tour. > > Hey? I've been missing something here! > The 1976 tour? Where else than Paris did KW play in 1976? France, Belgium, the Netherlands, the UK, Austria, and maybe also a few other European countries. > How come they played by then unreleased songs? Good question... > (The TEE-album wasn't released until 1977, was it?) Yes, it was released in February 1977. > What else do we know about the 1976 tour? Not too much, I'm afraid... But have a look at http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Harald.Westphal/kwarticles/tour1976.txt > (or is it 1977) No, definitely 1976. BTW: I wonder if there are any eye-witnesses of the 1976 tour subscribed to this list, who may be able to tell us a little bit more about it? ;-) Needless to say, I would be also extremely interested in any photos or live recordings from the 1976 concerts (except for the well-known radio broadcast from Paris 1976). Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Hot off the Press Date: 11 Aug 1997 15:36:34 +0000 Now hear this, now hear this......! I have just been into a record collectors shop near where I work and can report that last Monday, Phillips re-released the first three Kraftwerk albums on vinyl. There is Kraftwerk 1, gatefold cover with the orange traffic cone on the front and power station photo inside the gatefold. Kraftwerk 2 with green traffic cone on front with various pictures of Ralph and Florian with their instruments in 'hippy guise' inside the gatefold. Finally, Ralph and Florian LP, this is the copy with the picture of R&F on the front and the photo of them sitting behind their instruments in the studio on the reverse. Well the question is, how much are they,............fifteen pounds and ninety nine pence each (15.99 GBP), personally I think that is a bit too high, but that's only IMHO. Any orders? Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) "Esperanto" re-released Date: 11 Aug 1997 16:46:22 +0200 (DFT) Elektric Music's "Esperanto" has been re-released on SPV in Germany. Catalogue number: SPV 076-92832. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Hot off the Press Date: 11 Aug 1997 17:39:27 +0200 (DFT) On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Craig Land wrote: > I have just been into a record collectors shop near where I work and > can report that last Monday, Phillips re-released the first three > Kraftwerk albums on vinyl. Is it possible that these are rather counterfeit LP's instead of proper re-releases? May I ask for the catalogue numbers and also (if possible) for the matrix numbers of these LP's? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ralphm@mindspring.com Subject: (kw) Got It. Date: 11 Aug 1997 12:23:17 -0400 I was glad to find out that The Mix did come out on CD. (Dummy me, I should of known better) Anyways, I had some time to kill on Saturday before a movie and decided to check out the KW bin. They had TM along with the same Electric Cafe CD. Like I mentioned I have the cassette, but it got ruined. I can't believe I went without it for so long. It sounds awesome. I forgot how good it was. I'm not putting down the originals, but the enhancements on The Mix do justice to the old versions. Also there was a copy of Trancewerk Vol 1. (I think). Is it worth getting? Media Play wants $13.99 for it. I know, "Ralph, why don't you look up the archives?". I was hoping for a quick answer 'cause I don't have time right now to look it up. I should be working and not writing E-Mails at the moment. I want to get the CD if it is worth it before it gets gone. Just goes to show how little we get here in the states as to how much we get excited over the little things. Sincerely, Ralph Milam ralphm@mindspring.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: (kw) Nice TG review Date: 11 Aug 1997 19:37:39 +0200 I found a very nice and complete review of Kraftwerk's appearance at the Tribal Gathering Festival: http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/tg97.html regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Standefer Subject: (kw) New to the list Date: 11 Aug 1997 11:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Happily, I came across this list as I was perusing the Kraftwerk FAQ. I'm glad to be in contact with other people who are interested in Kraftwerk's music. My name is Robert Standefer, and I am a software developer in Austin, TX. I am new to Kraftwerk (but not to electronic music) having bought "The Mix" in April. I loved it, only to find out later that most long-term fans hate it :). I now have "The Man-Machine" and "Computerworld", both being the American versions. I just have a few questions to start out: What is the "definitive" Kraftwerk album? Is it still available? How many record labels has Kraftwerk recorded for? Does Kraftwerk avoid the American concert scene (like Erasure and PSB)? I look forward to all correspondence! Robert Standefer _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Fegan" Subject: (kw) Kraftwelt - Electric Dimension Date: 11 Aug 1997 11:59:53 -0700 Forgive me if this subject has been discussed before, but if it has I haven't read it. I came across the above album in a record store here in Vegas. the cover is very KW'ish and the sleve cover dedicates the album to Ralf & Florian ( whoever they are!) The album is produced by Hypnotic Records, a division of Cleopatra - Cat No CLP9796-2. The address for Kraftwelt is in Denmark. Does anyone know anything about it / them ??? the music is very early KW but not too bad. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) New to the list Date: 11 Aug 1997 15:41:16 -0400 >I just have a few questions to start out: First of all, let me just say "hi Rob" and welcome to our place of residence here in cyberspace. >What is the "definitive" Kraftwerk album? Is it still available? Well, there's no one album that is regarded as *the essential* Kraftwerk album, but in the past we used to take polls semi-regularly to determine the current favorite KW album amongst list members at the time. It's usually been a toss-up between 1978's 'The Man-Machine' and 1981's 'Computer World'. Kraftwerk's earlier material (1970-1975) tended not to fare as well with the fans due to its experimental and more avante-garde nature. Aside from the two aforementioned albums, 1977's 'Trans-Europe Express' is also highly regarded as one of KW's best works, having gained itself a reputation for being on the forefront of influence for much of the American hip-hop music which was to come shortly after its release. >How many record labels has Kraftwerk recorded for? Following unflattering sales of Organisation's 'Tone Float' album on RCA Records in 1970, KW shopped for a new label and then went on to release their next 4 albums (Kraftwerk, Kraftwerk 2, Ralf & Florian, Autobahn) on Germany's Philips label. Then in 1975 the band signed a new deal with EMI Records, which has represented KW's recordings in Germany ever since (Radio-Activity, Trans-Europe Express, The Man-Machine, Computer World, Electric Cafe, The Mix). Of course when these albums were released abroad in places like the USA and the UK, these issues were often represented by an assortment of labels, some of which were Vertigo, Mercury, Capitol, Elektra, and so forth. Nowadays you'll find re-issues of KW's work on smaller labels like Cleopatra and Alliance, and the sound quality of these re-issues is often quite debatable due to not having been mastered from the original source tapes. >Does Kraftwerk avoid the American concert scene (like Erasure and PSB)? It certainly would seem that way, now wouldn't it?! :-P As an American into Kraftwerk, I've never been lucky enough to have the opportunity to see them live. I believe that they had several dates scheduled for their 'Mix' tour, but those dates were ultimately cancelled so they never did make it here in the end. We've all read Bussy's book and have the idea that Kraftwerk aren't very big on the idea of touring in general, but whether or not they hold a personal vendetta against the USA has yet to be seen! :-) -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts + dancing Date: 11 Aug 1997 21:41:02 +0100 Well, so many thoughts to discuss... I only hope this discussion isn't getting too boring to other list members. I guess that we can go on, as long as we don't get any angry reaction. Here are some quick thoughts / answers : I know very well that KW used vocoders for lead vocals. But my remark was rather towards the custom vocoders made for them by Sennheiser and Siemens. what did they have that other vocoders didn't ? Did they have special features to handle special effects, like vocoded choirs ? If not, what's the purpose ? Yes, at the time of Pocket calculator, Ralf used to repeat that music would be made some day by everybody on simple instruments. But simplicity of use doesn't mean cheap sounds. And if everybody should be able to program and play their own music on simple instruments, why do the opposite and ask big companies to build unique and custom gear ? And yes, in the gigs they use little instruments and invite the audience to play with them. But we should keep in mind that those little boxes are mainly used as remote controls for all the gear behind them. The more I think of it, the more I'm sure that KW never really made research on sound synthesis (except for the digital voices). I'm sure they spent more time on designing / building new interfaces for their instruments which were often the same as other (wealthy) musicians used. The sound manipulation discribed in a recent posting about how they made a continuous sound from the Mellotron makes sense. What bothers me is that this kind of manipulation is closer to studio techniques of the 50s and early 60s (cutting / pasting / looping pieces of tapes) than from techniques of the mid 70s. OK, let's say they used a mellotron in a special way on RA. But it seems that this instrument was also used on TEE (the vocal harmonies on Les mannequins). What could be the justification of using it for that song, if not a certain lazyness ? OK. If Wendy Carlos didn't manage to create a realistic vocoded choir sound in 1969, there's no use to try again until the end of times ! Yes, I'm a bit cynical, and for many reasons : - what looked impossible in 69 could have looked different in 76, 7 years later... - I still think that fairly acceptable vocoded choir sounds can be obtained from synth strings and a bank of formant filters. I think the result depends on the quality of the string sound (using a real string ensemble gives even better results), and also on the number and tuning of the filters. A couple of years ago, I even got better results with a phase vocoder, but that's technology of the 90s. - none expected a REALISTIC choir sound from KW in 76. Because at that time, synth pop and vocoded singing were still quite new to a large part of the audience, and the emphasis was on the electronic aspects of the sounds rather than on realistic imitations of natural instruments. Wendy Carlos was a different case, in the sense that he/she reproduced classical works on a Moog. In that sense, the audience was invited to compare the two performances. KW is a different case : their purpose was to remove all acoustic stuff from their music and emphasis pure electronic music. In the interview I mentioned a couple of days ago, Ralf said that from the beginning their purpose was to create a "ElektronisheVolksMusik" or "IndustrielleVolksMusik", which he translates in french as "an electronic music for the people" or an "everyday day electronic music". And in the same interview (and many others) he claims that pure electronic instrumentation is the only way to go. Yes indeed, I think there are some unconsistencies between what they have said and the way they handle / approach technology in their compositions... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HAS BEANS Subject: (kw) Hi from ROBOT Date: 09 Aug 1997 15:16:21 -0700 [courtesy of "Has Beans", the KooLest KoffeeHaus in Eureka, CA, or ANYwhere on the Planet!!] PLEASE DO NOT HIT "REPLY TO"!! I'm on a "Borrowed" terminal. Hi, Y'all! I'm STILL off-line for God only knows how long. *ARGH*! I want my Computer back! Anyway- I was able to catch up on the past coupla weeks on the Archives- lively stuff! As for the comments about KW's private lives, they've always been very reclusive, and, as FanatiKal as I am, I respect that. -(I still say Sandhya Whaley is the Luckiest woman un the universe to have Florian's baby girl! 'not sure if they're legally m*rried. gr-r-r-r.)- So, play nice, everybuddy, til I get back. :] What else can I say? Any word on the NEW Album?? September, eh? I can't wait!! PS: I'm still waiting for my Nexus CD. Nexus? Did you send it to Tiger Moses first? Maybe he's still got it so he can burn a copy for himself. Just checking wassup. =OHM SWEET OHM= ROBOT@humboldt1.com 805 "M" Street Eureka, CA 95501-1947 USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: (kw) Poll Date: 11 Aug 1997 12:57:47 I'll give it till Wednesday for replies to filter through. A couple of you have mailed me lists of groups/artists, the idea was to submit ONE favourite group and ONE favourite artist. May I respectfully suggest you remail me with your revised suggestion. I'll post the result on Thursday. Regards to you all Rich richard.poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) to people in spain Date: 11 Aug 1997 22:49:15 +0000 There is an "Aktivitat Spain" home page with information about the fanzine and a few articles as a sample of what can be found in Aktivitat. There is also information about the concerts in October. We could perhaps organise a trip if there's enough interest? Fill in the form. Now in spanish: Hay una pagina de "Aktivitat Spain" con informacion sobre el fanzine y algunos articulos como muestra de lo que se puede encontrar en Aktivitat. Tambien hay informacion sobre los conciertos en Octubre. Quizas podriamos organizar un viaje, si hay suficiente interes? Rellena el formulario. - la musica ideas portara y siempre continuara, sonido electronico, decibel sintetico - Jose Garcia AKTIVITAT SPAIN (Unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine) hppt://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/aktivitat.htm aktivitat@arrakis.es # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Re : Thoughts about the new album Date: 11 Aug 1997 23:14:18 +0100 Bill C Talley wrote : >On an off note (pertaining to the "influence" of the new album) - I'm >thinking that it would be cool if KW did an album based on major ethnic >festivals and holidays. Today is Homowo, an African harvest festival - >I am listening to the rhythms and very minimal "xylophone" style >instruments and can imagine KW doing something similar (using electronic >soundscapes.) Your suggestions are very interesting. Let me tell some story. In the years 86-88, I was very deep into world beat production, especially algerian raï. At that time, one of my ideas was to have an album of raï produced by KW. But unfortunately, as everybody used to know that they declined every collaboration offer, the idea fell short. >Also, the exacting dances of some of the tribes >represented really look robotic. Well, here is some more story. At that time, I was working in Tlemcen, Algeria with some local producers / musicians. Those guys used to have very long tunes (10 to 12 minutes) in the traditionnal / repetitive mood, but played with a mix of traditional and electric guitars & electronic keyboards. Those tunes were full of cyclic patterns, polyrythmic percussions and other sequences, and i noticed that they used to play everything BY HAND ! They even used to detune the tom sound of a Linndrum to the low end, using the audible sampling frequency to emulate the resonnance of some local percussion (bendir). As I told them : why don't you sequence everything in order to save time ? they answered "no no, sequencing would give a much too mechanical feeling. We're playing everything by hand because the music needs flaws, little variations and the human touch". So, listen twice before deciding that the music of a tribe is robotic... BTW, I remember that Ralf used to say (at the time of EC, or was it the MIX ?) that their next album would be inspired by all european folk musics, in order to show that Europe is a true and unique multi-cultural continent. Will the next album feature electronic fado and flamenco, and Mellotron emulations of bag pipes ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oli Subject: Re: (kw) Mexican picuture disc of "Autobahn" Date: 11 Aug 1997 23:36:04 +0200 Roland Metzger wrote: > > Hi werkers > > I have spotted in a record store here in Zuerich a picture disc of > "Autobahn" (it says "Hecha in Mexico") for sale for CHF 50, which is ca. > USD 35. The one side of the disc depicts the four members of KW sitting at > a table in front of tree (as on the poster that came with the German TEE > LP), the other side > depicts the traffic cone, if I remember correctly. > > Does anybody know anything about this? I believe it is a bootleg. Is this > worth the money? > > Thanks for answers! I bought this item during my vacation in a recordstore in Soho/London this July. I payed 19.99 Pounds for it. The guy in the store told me that he had sold about 15! copies of it. My first impression was that this must be a bootleg, but I don't know exactly. C YA, Oli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk & Love Parade Date: 12 Aug 1997 10:16:50 +0200 (DFT) According to issue 47 of the German freebie music magazine Groove, Kraftwerk wanted to appear at this year's "Love Parade" in Berlin, apparently with an open air concert at the Siegessaeule, but they were turned down by the organizers. There's also a review of the Tribal Gathering festival (incl. three Kraftwerk photos) in the same issue. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Par." Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts + dancing Date: 12 Aug 1997 12:31:50 +1400 On 1997-08-11 JBV.SILENCES@wanadoo.fr said: >research on sound synthesis (except for the digital voices). I'm Not so sure, think on electronic drums they created/used. >The sound manipulation discribed in a recent posting about how they >made a continuous sound from the Mellotron makes sense. What bothers >me is that this kind of manipulation is closer to studio techniques >of the 50s and early 60s (cutting / pasting / looping pieces of I can't tell much on tihs topic because I'm only 22 years old, but, if you listen carefully to the voices on Radio Activity, in the end of the song in particular, you will notice small pitch variations and also hmmm.... my English is too bad to find the good words, but I'd say small breaks in the sound continuity/volume. It certainly comes from the use of tapes. >seems that this instrument was also used on TEE (the vocal >harmonies on Les mannequins). What could be the justification of Also probably for the violins sounds on TEE itself. Arnaud de Bonald Paris, France Home Page: http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald - bbs/Fax: 01 43 87 10 51 Net-Tamer V 1.09.2 - Test Drive # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Olf Ranthiz Subject: Re: (kw) Mexican picuture disc of "Autobahn" Date: 12 Aug 1997 13:18:29 +0200 This is definetly a bootleg like Kraftwerk I & II. -- take care tf ************************************************************* "Drinking and smoking are bad for the health" -Charles Bukowski # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER STUDENT" Subject: (kw) Re: Philips re-releases Date: 12 Aug 1997 15:04:57 +0000 Hi there, Those 'Philips re-releases' are bootlegs. They are very good and even the labels are faithfully reproduced. But the matric number on the KW 1 I examined is 'KRF-01 A/B' and is totally different from the original KW 1 matrix , which includes the numbers of the original catalogue number (6305 058). The sleeve has probably been scanned and cleande up (some pats of the 'Kraftwerk' printing show differences), and the catalogue number is missing on the backside. The copy I saw included a full-sized repro of the R&F poster (OBVIOUSLY a repro print). The inside pic. of KW 1 is also clearly a repro - darker and a bit fuzzy. The sound quality of the record is ok, but the labels are a bit 'loose' around the edge - this shouldn't happen with official pressings. It is, all in all, an almost perfect bootleg of a german KW 1 pressing. (Can't comment on the other ones, I have only seen the KW1) On the Mexican pic. disc of Autobahn, I can say: it gives the impression it's made by the 'Dis*Colleccion' label, an EMI company in Mexico. They also put out a pic. disc of the Pet Shop Boys' 'Very' LP, and probably more. Certainly, a bootlegger may know that and could use this label name, too. I fear there's no way to clear this up unless one goes to Mexico... Gunther Poecker poecker@pool.uni-mannheim.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Hot off the Press 2 Date: 12 Aug 1997 14:59:44 +0000 Further to requests from list members for more info on the KW 1, 2 and R&F LP's I have seen for sale, please note that I have only been able to obtain the following; Kraftwerk 1 Philips 6305 058 Kraftwerk 2 Philips 6305 117 R&F Philips 6305 197 As the shop was busy and I was pushed for time I couldn't get hold of the vinyl itself to check the numbers or labels (the shop only puts the empty sleeves in the racks), but I have already received one e:mail from a list member who thinks he has seen KW 1 already and thinks it is a bootleg. The descision is yours. I also purchased a Mouse on Mars 12 inch which is limited to 1000 copies as there has been plenty of talk on the list about this group. It's called 'cache coeur naif', it includes the title track plus three others, 'lazergum, glim, schnick-schnack'. I will let you know what I think later. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morten Moen Subject: (kw) Re: Got It. Date: 12 Aug 1997 14:42:59 +0200 Well I certainly think "Trancewerk Express Vol. I" is worth having. But then again I buy everything that has "Kraftwerk" written on it :-) If you liked "The Mix" then I think you'll like TEV as well (although I must add that TM is MUCH better). I think they have done justice to these old KW tunes but on the downside you could say that they all sound more or less "the same". BTW I've heard that TEV Vol. II is out now. I haven't been able to get it yet though. Morten. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts + dancing Date: 12 Aug 1997 18:43:33 +0100 On 1997-08-11 JBV.SILENCES@wanadoo.fr said: >research on sound synthesis (except for the digital voices). I'm bonald@worldnet.fr replied : >Not so sure, think on electronic drums they created/used. No, no ! this confirms what I said : only the interface was new (sticks with chords), but the percussive sounds themselves (as far as I can hear on the albums) could have been generated by any modular synth (filtered noise with ADSR, etc.) >if you listen carefully to the voices on Radio Activity, in the end >of the song in particular, you will notice small pitch variations and >also hmmm.... my English is too bad to find the good words, but I'd say >small breaks in the sound continuity/volume. >It certainly comes from the use of tapes. Mmmmh... Sorry, but no again. I'm still convinced that the choir on RA is made with more material than the Mellotron only (at least in the body and the end of the song). The static "AAAAAA" which sounds like a vocoded male voice at the end (after the rythmic stuff fades away) is IMO a vocoded electronic signal through a bank of formant filters (or even a "sampled" waveform of a vocal signal driven by a VCO). Yes, I noticed the small breaks in that sound, and I don't know where it comes from, but I'm sure it doesn't come from the use of tapes. I made extensive tapes cut-up in the 70s, and I can tell you that carefully cutting the tape allows you to make wonderful and seamless fades in & out. jbv PS : what amuses me is to think that probably dozens of people around the planet listened to that choir sound again and again in order to make their opinion... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk and the Love parade...AND rerelease Polygram LPs Date: 12 Aug 1997 13:15:45 -0400 Klaus Zaepke wrote... According to issue 47 of the German freebie music magazine Groove, = Kraftwerk wanted to appear at this year's "Love Parade" in Berlin, = apparently with an open air concert at the Siegessaeule, but they were = turned down by the organizers. TURNED DOWN BY THE ORGANIZERS! Sounds unlikely...but who knows.... = If I had known this already a week ago I could have asked Dr. Motte (founder of the Love Parade)directly, since he was DJinghere in Switzerla= nd last Saturday at a Rave and I was hanging around very close to him for a few hours... Maybe I can ask the organizer of this rave to get back to him to find out. Would be interesting to know the truth! = PS Maybe they appear out of nowhere at this Saturdays Street Parade here= in Zuerich...I, for my part, woul not mind at all... I have seen these new Vinyl releases at Selectadisc and Sister Ray in London for UKP 15 as well. The stores labelled it with "Very limited edition-import", they certainly= look nice....but I think they were Bootlegs so I didnt buy em.... Something just didnt feel right/complete... Cheers Roland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Re : Thoughts about the new album Date: 12 Aug 1997 14:42:12 EDT >> >Will the next album feature electronic fado and flamenco, and >> >Mellotron emulations of bag pipes ? >> > >> >jbv >> > >> god forbid....another delerium album.... >> >> tom w >> >> np: ambient 4 : isolationism (virgin) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) New to the list Date: 12 Aug 1997 14:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Kraftwerk had a concert scheduled at the Beacon Theater in NYC in September of 1991-- two nights, around the 20th and the 21st if memory serves--but canceled about a week before it was supposed to happen. I was thinking of keeping the ticket stub as a collector's item, but decided not to--I'd get frustrated every time I looked at it, far outweighing it's "collector's item" status (at least for me; I'm sure many of you on this list would give a lot to have it!) Although, a part of me wishes I'd kept it.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts + dancing Date: 12 Aug 1997 19:02:44 +0000 jbv was saying: >>Not so sure, think on electronic drums they created/used. >No, no ! this confirms what I said : only the interface was new >(sticks with chords), but the percussive sounds themselves (as far >as I can hear on the albums) could have been generated by any >modular synth (filtered noise with ADSR, etc.) It was mentioned in a BBC Radio documentary on Kraftwerk that they tore the rythmic device out of an old organ and used that for percussion. Perhaps they modified it to be triggered by the "knitting needles". It is also very easy to do this on a modular synthesizer. >>if you listen carefully to the voices on Radio Activity, in the end >>of the song in particular, you will notice small pitch variations and >>also hmmm.... my English is too bad to find the good words, but I'd say >>small breaks in the sound continuity/volume. >>It certainly comes from the use of tapes. >Mmmmh... Sorry, but no again. I'm still convinced that the choir on >RA is made with more material than the Mellotron only (at least in >the body and the end of the song). The static "AAAAAA" which sounds >like a vocoded male voice at the end (after the rythmic stuff fades >away) is IMO a vocoded electronic signal through a bank of formant >filters (or even a "sampled" waveform of a vocal signal driven by >a VCO). I will have to examine this track more carefully, but from memory the use of vocoder here did not occur to me. I'm sure you're probably right though! :) >Yes, I noticed the small breaks in that sound, and I don't know where >it comes from, but I'm sure it doesn't come from the use of tapes. >I made extensive tapes cut-up in the 70s, and I can tell you that >carefully cutting the tape allows you to make wonderful and seamless >fades in & out. Agreed - I have done the same even on amateur 4 track equipment and got wonderful results. -- /=======================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | | Influence and inspiration from : | | Jarre Vangelis Tomita Carlos Erasure Pinhas TangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.co.uk/customers/Alliance)| \=======================================================================/ The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad. -- Salvador Dali # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and the Love parade... Date: 12 Aug 1997 21:26:55 +0000 > > According to issue 47 of the German freebie music magazine Groove, > > Kraftwerk wanted to appear at this year's "Love Parade" in Berlin, > > apparently with an open air concert at the Siegessaeule, but they were > > turned down by the organizers. > > TURNED DOWN BY THE ORGANIZERS! Sounds unlikely...but who > knows.... The small report in Groove is relatively detailed, with quite some facts about the negotiations with Kraftwerk. Personally I don't think that it is a mere rumour or a hoax. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fermin Goiriz" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk and the Love parade... Date: 12 Aug 1997 21:47:21 +0200 > TURNED DOWN BY THE ORGANIZERS! Sounds unlikely...but who > knows.... I don't know, but I guess a formal concert would break a bit the Love Parade's spirit, with all that street dancing and trucks (sp?) with the sound equipment and stuff... I think that's why the organizers turned down Kraftwerk's offer... Just a thought. Fermin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) new album? Date: 12 Aug 1997 22:47:39 +0000 Do you believe the new album will be released soon? Until now i have heard it would be out in september, then it moves to october. But emi cannot confirm anything. Then the sparse two concerts. Wouldn't a small tour be more appropiate for the release of a new album? I am quite pessimist by now and i do not think they'll release a new album in two months time. Rumours for a mix 2 have been in and out since 1991. There were rumours of a new album with the concerts in 1993 and afterwards. There was even a rumoured title. Nothing so far. There was a scheduled release of a new Tour de France version. It was cancelled. Result: i repeat, i am quite pessimist. I wish i was wrong. Jose Garcia AKTIVITAT SPAIN (Unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine) hppt://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/aktivitat.htm aktivitat@arrakis.es # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) Hot off the Press Date: 13 Aug 1997 00:16:16 +0000 > I have just been into a record collectors shop near where I work and > can report that last Monday, Phillips re-released the first three > Kraftwerk albums on vinyl. I believe this are counterfeit. I have also seen brand new vinyls for the NEU! albums, sealed and all. These look to me as counterfeit items. Jose Garcia Aktivitat Spain (Unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine) http://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/aktivitat.htm aktivitat@arrakis.es # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) New to the list Date: 12 Aug 1997 21:11:03 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-12 21:05:40 EDT, Spotnik@aol.com writes: << Kraftwerk had a concert scheduled at the Beacon Theater in NYC in September of 1991-- two nights, around the 20th and the 21st if memory serves--but canceled about a week before it was supposed to happen. >> I still have my ticket stub for their 1991 concert at the Warfield in San Francisco.....that was of course cancelled. Oh, was I ever depressed!!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Cleopatra advert for Yamo Date: 13 Aug 1997 10:28:25 +0000 From alt.music.makers.dj: > Subject: * NEW KRAFTWERK PROJECT (YAMO) * > From: Cleopatra > Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 18:00:00 -0700 > > * * BRAND NEW KRAFTWERK PROJECT * * > > WOLFGANG FLUR one of the fab four is now releasing "(YAMO) - Time > Pie" in September. The first solo material _ever_ from WOLFGANG FUR > and the first new material to be released in the United States by _any_ member > of KRAFTWERK in over 8 years... Wolfgang will be in New York City for > the CMJ conference in the fall. It is the first time any member of > KRAFTWERK has been back to America since 1981. This is KRAFTWERK > in the nineties. > > Video for YAMO, "STEREOMATIC" should be on AMP soon... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: Re: (kw) who are the guests? Date: 13 Aug 1997 10:40:48 +0200 >JRindfrey@aol.com >I don't know if this has already been discussed, but in the >announcement for >the Karlsruhe concert it says "Kraftwerk and guests". Anybody knows who >the >"guests" are? Robots? Clones On Ralf & Florian? U will see. Georgie Rendez-vous auf den Champs Elysees Verlass' Paris am Morgen mit dem TEE http://www.kraftwerk.com -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Absence Date: 13 Aug 1997 12:14:53 +0000 Calling all Robot/ Man Machine's, I thought that I should give you all advanced warning that I will be going into hospital for a knee operation this coming Monday (18 August), so I will not be able to respond to any e:mails. I have a few things to sort out for other list members so I will write to them personally. I am not too sure when I will be returning as the surgeon has stated that I will be off work for two weeks and that I should not drive for four weeks. Fortunately I do have access to an automatic (a 'Quality' car Rich me boy!), so the driving won't be an issue, but I will have to wait really to see how quickly I recover. Anway, one thing is for sure, at least I will be able to sit at home in peace and quiet listening to all my music, of course thinking of you guys sitting behind your desks working hard!! Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: Re: (kw) Absence Date: 13 Aug 1997 14:09:29 Sealand wrote: Fortunately I do have access to an automatic (a 'Quality' car Rich me boy!), so the driving won't be an issue, but I will have to wait really to see how quickly I recover. >>What he means is he likes to pretend he is Knightrider, driving one of those strange American sportscars, it's just a replacement phallus really! Sorry to go off-topic but I just had to respond<< Bye y'all Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Standefer Subject: Re: (kw) Absence Date: 13 Aug 1997 08:20:45 -0700 (PDT) I also apologize for posting off-topic, but I just had to say that it is very exciting to correspond with people who *don't* live in the United States. I don't mean to sound like a country-bumpkin (I actually am quite cosmopolitan, and long for my first home--Heidelberg). And Richard, what do you mean, "strange American sportscars"?! :) Robert Standefer ---"POOLTON, Richard" wrote: > >What he means is he likes to pretend he is Knightrider, driving one of those > strange American sportscars, it's just a replacement phallus really! Sorry to go > off-topic but I just had to respond > Rich _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: freiheit@tstonramp.com Subject: (kw) New material? Date: 13 Aug 1997 01:20:49 PST Hi again, Being new to the mailing list, I don't know if this topic already went around. When Kraftwerk played in the UK recently, did they perform any new material? Also has there been any news of a new album? I wouldn't think they'd be playing concerts if they weren't putting something out, but one never knows. Thanks! /------------------dON eITNER------------------\ | published author, web publisher, OS/2 user | |----------------------------------------------| | freiheit@tstonramp.com | | http://www.tstonramp.com/~freiheit/styx.html | \----------------------------------------------/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Captain Trip/Indigo Date: 13 Aug 1997 19:03:48 +0200 (DFT) Some of Klaus Dinger's releases on the Japanese Captain Trip label will be made available in Germany through Indigo as imports. The "NEU! 4" album is already available (Captain Trip/Fuenfundvierzig/Indigo CD 4506-2). The first La Duesseldorf album and the la! NEU? album are scheduled for late August. More albums are in preparation. (Info taken from the September issue of Notes.) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) New material? Date: 13 Aug 1997 13:01:38 -0400 (EDT) >Hi again, > Being new to the mailing list, I don't know >if this topic already went around. When Kraftwerk >played in the UK recently, did they perform any new >material? Hi Don. Yes, Kraftwerk did indeed perform a new song at the Tribal Gathering back in May. The title of the piece is still unconfirmed at this time, and the debate as to the merits of it or lack thereof have been debated back and forth on the list. Some feel it sounds too amateur and not worthy of Kraftwerk, and others feel it's a logical progression for KW's music into the 21st century. If you're capable of playing .wav files, let me know and I'll send you the 30 second clip of the track as previewed on M-TV. I also believe there's an .au version of it floating around out there on somebody's KW page as well. Also has there been any news of a new >album? I wouldn't think they'd be playing concerts >if they weren't putting something out, but one never >knows. News of a new KW album continues to circulate. According to EMI in Germany, a new Kraftwerk release had initially been scheduled for June, which was then bumped back to September. Last I heard, it's been moved once again to October, perhaps to coincide with the release of Wim Wender's film "The End of Violence" this fall which is scheduled to feature a new KW song in its soundtrack. Until then, everyone will keep themselves glued to the news. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com Wir sind die Roboter... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Standefer Subject: (kw) Classification Date: 13 Aug 1997 12:57:28 -0700 (PDT) I have a broad question here, open to interpretation: What kind of music does Kraftwerk create? I've heard it called industrial, ambient, and trance...what's the lowdown? When I think of industrial, I think of bands like Skinny Puppy, Ministry, and nine inch nails. KW doesn't fit in there...and I don't exactly know what classifies as trance and ambient...do you? I had a party last week and played "The Man-Machine" as a dance track. My guests loved it, but I was hard pressed when asked what kind of music it was. I just said it was electronic :). I appreciate your input. Robert Standefer _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: SV: (kw) Classification Date: 13 Aug 1997 22:44:15 +-200 -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Robert Standefer=20 Skickat: den 13 augusti 1997 14:57 Till: kraftwerk@xmission.com =C4mne: (kw) Classification I have a broad question here, open to interpretation: > What kind of music does Kraftwerk create? =20 Hi Rob and fellow Werkers. What=B4s wrong with "Robotpop"? :-) Noone makes music like Kraftwerk (except for Komputer ;-), so why not just call it "Robotpop"?=20 Regards Uffe=20 _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original = sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Classification Date: 13 Aug 1997 17:02:37 -0400 (EDT) >I have a broad question here, open to interpretation: >What kind of music does Kraftwerk create? I've heard it called >industrial, ambient, and trance...what's the lowdown? Well, there's never been any one definitive category or genre which sums up what Kraftwerk does, so I've always chosen to call it by the names that the band themselves deemed most appropriate, "industrial folk music" and "techno-pop". Clearly if we were to apply a rational logic to it, we could classify the band's early material from 'Tone Float' through 'Kraftwerk 2' as "experimental" of a sort. Beyond that, the music's pop potential really began to shine through and by the time 'Trans-Europe Express' was released, they had established themselves on a strong electronic pop foundation. >When I think of industrial, I think of bands like Skinny Puppy, >Ministry, and nine inch nails. KW doesn't fit in there...and I don't >exactly know what classifies as trance and ambient...do you? From my experience, I've often found "trance" referring to more of the music which has been popular in the British club and rave scene, often techno-influenced repetitious bits with pulsing rhythms and hypnotic bass lines. As far as Kraftwerk are concerned, I wouldn't classify any of their music as "trance" thus far (who's to say what's next from them at this point!). As far as "ambient" is concerned, I suppose some of KW's early moody selections like "Megaherz", "Mitternacht", "Ananas Symphonie", and so forth would be likely candidates for the ambient genre. And as for "industrial" music, I do believe that Kraftwerk was one of the pioneers who created that genre in the first place. I think Kraftwerk are industrial in the same sense that Front242 was industrial back in 1981 with their 'Geography' album or Nitzer Ebb in 1987 with their 'That Total Age' LP. For me, those were some of the truly classic industrial outfits: The sounds and rhythms were electronic and mechanical, containing samples of machinery used as a percussive device. The music in essence was the machine and vice versa. Today, unfortunately, industrial music is coming to take on the identity of anything grating, loud, drilling, and basically difficult to enjoy for music's sake alone. Perhaps I'm just sentimental, but it seems to me that Kraftwerk's industrial or mechanical music (a la "The Robots", "Metal On Metal", "TEE", "Autobahn", etc.) despite their minimalism, always had much more depth, meaning, and conceptualism to them than what is currently being produced by electronic acts today. >I had a party last week and played "The Man-Machine" as a dance track. > My guests loved it, but I was hard pressed when asked what kind of >music it was. I just said it was electronic :). That's always the safe answer. :) Of course, if you were to play any selection off of 'The Mix', there'd be no doubt in people's minds that KW are a dance band. However, if those same people were to hear the original versions of those "re-mixed" tracks, perhaps they too would find themselves hard-pressed to locate an appropriate label. -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com Wir sind die Roboter... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification Date: 13 Aug 1997 16:11:51 -0500 > > I have a broad question here, open to interpretation: > > What kind of music does Kraftwerk create? > Umm...Music non-stop? Technopop? Synthetic, electronic sounds, industrial rhythms, all around? I like to think of it as "music for computer programmers" but that's just a personal bias. :) -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= Life in it's purest form is pass/fail. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification Date: 13 Aug 1997 23:35:34 +0100 > > I have a broad question here, open to interpretation: > > What kind of music does Kraftwerk create? > >Umm...Music non-stop? Technopop? >Synthetic, electronic sounds, industrial rhythms, all around? >I like to think of it as "music for computer programmers" but that's >just a personal bias. :) Yeah ! I agree ! "Music non-stop" is an excellent definition. You will look terrific in your parties when people ask "what kind of crap is it ?" and when you answer "it's music non-stop" ! May I suggest also : Musik Aus dem Lautsprecher ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fermin Goiriz" Subject: RE: (kw) Classification Date: 13 Aug 1997 23:44:32 +0200 >>> Noone makes music like Kraftwerk (except for Komputer ;-), so why not just call it "Robotpop"? <<< Moreover Florian likes to call it robot-pop! kewwwl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification Date: 13 Aug 1997 23:48:02 +0100 > > What kind of music does Kraftwerk create? > Even better : Boing Boom Tschak ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Fonts ? Date: 14 Aug 1997 02:05:03 +0200 >Uffe Silverup >Liebe Werkers! >Sorry to bother you, but does anyone have the "Electric Cafe" font?Or >does anyone know where to find it? Which Do you mean? The one at the sleeve? They are the same as at the 'The Mix' album. I don't have exactly the same, but mine look simular. The Font is called 'Lowtech'. Yes, and it also looks a bit kraftwerkish... Georgie Rendez-vous auf den Champs Elysees Verlass' Paris am Morgen mit dem TEE http://www.kraftwerk.com -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification Date: 13 Aug 1997 17:56:59 PDT >Even better : Boing Boom Tschak ! > >jbv Well, Boing Boon Tschak sums up most of Kraftwerk's music. I find when I try to discribe what it, I just say "It falls into a category somwhere between techno and well, just listen, it's Kraftwerk" and I then hand them my earphones (or crank up the stereo) Kraftwerk is in a catagory of there own. Peter Liethen pliethen@globaldialog.com http://www.dragonfire.net/~petenet ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Fonts ? Date: 13 Aug 1997 21:12:09 -0400 (EDT) >>Sorry to bother you, but does anyone have the "Electric Cafe" font?Or >>does anyone know where to find it? >Which Do you mean? The one at the sleeve? They are the same as at the >'The Mix' album. >I don't have exactly the same, but mine look simular. The Font is >called 'Lowtech'. Yes, and it also looks a bit kraftwerkish... Just to clarify a bit, the fonts used on the covers of 'Electric Cafe' and on 'The Mix' are not the same. The one on 'Electric Cafe' is commonly referred to as "LED" or "Liquid Crystal". I've seen several different versions of this font, some slightly more true to the one on the album. If anyone would like a copy of this 'Electric Cafe' truetype font, just e-mail me about it. As for the font on 'The Mix', I don't know the technical name for it, but it's clearly a variation of dot matrix, as the pixels are so apparent. -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Boing Boom Tschak...TechnoPop!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) New material? Date: 14 Aug 1997 09:08:44 +0000 > News of a new KW album continues to circulate. According to EMI in > Germany, a new Kraftwerk release had initially been scheduled for June, > which was then bumped back to September. Last I heard, it's been moved once > again to October, And if we can believe the September issue of Intro, it is now scheduled for spring 1998. I quote: "Kraftwerk werden am 18.10. in Karlsruhe ihren einzigen Auftritt in Deutschland absolvieren und dabei erstmalig Material des fuer das naechste Fruehjahr angekuendigten neuen Albums spielen!" Translation: Kraftwerk will perform material from their forthcoming new album for the first time during their concert in Karlsruhe. The album release is scheduled for spring. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Ocean of Sound Date: 14 Aug 1997 09:09:48 +0000 A German language version of David Toop's book "Ocean of Sound", which features an interview with Ralf Huetter, was announced from Hannibal/Indigo. German title: "Ocean of Sound. Klang, Geraeusch, Stille". Translation: Diedrich Diederichsen. Catalogue number: ZB 7678-0. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) New material? Date: 14 Aug 1997 08:54:01 +0000 Hi there Werkers, Klaus recently quoted; Translation: Kraftwerk will perform material from their forthcoming new album for the first time during their concert in Karlsruhe. The album release is scheduled for spring. Klaus Zaepke Does this mean that we are to expect a different set to that played at Tribal Gathering? Will those lucky few from the list who will attend the European gigs get to hear more new songs than those of us who just heard the 'one' at TG? Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Classification Date: 14 Aug 1997 08:29:47 GMT Scott M. Barnhill wrote: >Front242 was industrial back >in 1981 with their 'Geography' album or Nitzer Ebb in 1987 I was hoping somebody would mention the two definitions of industrial... ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fermin Goiriz" Subject: RE: (kw) Fonts ? Date: 14 Aug 1997 10:24:08 +0200 >>Liebe Werkers! >>Sorry to bother you, but does anyone have the "Electric Cafe" font?Or >>does anyone know where to find it? >Which Do you mean? The one at the sleeve? They are the same as at the >'The Mix' album. >I don't have exactly the same, but mine look simular. The Font is >called 'Lowtech'. Yes, and it also looks a bit kraftwerkish... Its not the same as in the Mix. I have one rather similar called LEDfont... if someone wants it email me... I think I also have the mix one see ya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Glen Subject: (kw) Mouse On Mars Date: 14 Aug 1997 11:23:00 +0100 In message , Klaus Zaepke writes >> WOLFGANG FLUR one of the fab four is now releasing "(YAMO) - Time >> Pie" in September. The first solo material _ever_ from WOLFGANG FUR >> and the first new material to be released in the United States by _any_ member >> of KRAFTWERK in over 8 years... This is the thing he's done with Mouse On Mars which they, allegedly, aren't happy with. Has anyone heard a promo of the forthcoming MOM album, "Autoditacker" yet? It's picking up great reviews here (UK) - "it's a perky poppy set that more often than not centres its wobbly spooniverse around kitschy keyboard codes that sound uncannily Krafty..." says NME. They play London in September too. Can't wait. -- Leisure # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Glen Subject: (kw) Pizzicato 5 Date: 14 Aug 1997 11:12:33 +0100 Woah! Suggest you all check out the track "Contact" on the forthcoming Pizzicato 5 album, "Happy End Of the World" (Matador) - massive sections of "Pocket Calculator" sampled. Sounds cool; great record. -- Leisure # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Classification Date: 14 Aug 1997 10:56:02 GMT miffo man wrote: >What is Einsturzende Neubauten or Die hafler trio then? >2 more or?? hehe I was merely pointing out the two bands that to me changed my life as far as industrial sounds were concerned. Although NE and 242 have since watered themselves down, they were an integral ( and important part) of the industrial insurgence in the mid/late eighties. I don't want to get into a 'who is more industrial' debate, just stating who I found alluring. BTW, I never found EN that interesting to listen to either. ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: (kw) Your poll results. Date: 14 Aug 1997 11:48:02 There were very clear winners, 20% of voters favoured Depeche Mode, no other band had more than one vote, and NO ONE voted for Electrik Musik! 20% of voters favoured Gary Numan as best solo artists (great choice I reckon), David Bowie came in second with 10% of the vote, no other artist got more than one vote. Any conclusions anyone? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Your poll results. Date: 14 Aug 1997 13:14:28 +0000 I for one voted for Depeche Mode because they have continually produced fine material, progressing from 'Dreaming of Me' right upto the excellent 'Home'. True they were influenced by KW, but how many more groups from the eighties are still around producing bang upto date electronic music? Not many, and IMHO no-one of the quality of DM. Also, the fact that most of their single releases have been issued in multiple formats and mixes make them a very interesting band to collect. Gary Numan, well enough has been said in the past on him, love him or hate him (and there can't be that many that hate him judging from this poll), you cannot listen to this guys music without having your heart strings pulled at some point or other. His devotion, dedication and love for producing something away from the main stream and giving audiences something new demands total respect. Regarding Elektric Music, well I for one won't vote for a band that has only released one album, which sounds just like something out of Kling Klang! I like this album alot, but seriously, you don't honestly think that this was a major revelation in terms of progression from the KW sound do you? An average rating is all it gets in my book I'm afraid (well I'm not Afraid really, just truthful). Good work Richie Boy! Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) Classification Date: 14 Aug 1997 21:38:15 +1000 Jules Seifert wrote: > hehe I was merely pointing out the two bands that to me changed my > life as far as industrial sounds were concerned. Although NE and 242 > have since watered themselves down, they were an integral ( and > important part) of the industrial insurgence in the mid/late eighties. I think the term is industrial RE-surgence in 1985/6 The only 'Industrial' was Throbbing Gristle in 1977-81, who coined the term (from thier label 'Industrial Records'). There are many who would call thier musik industrial, but I think it's really only thier samples (....don't flame me! :-@ ). But when I think about it.. there are a lot of similarities between Throbbing Gristle and Kraftwerk in thier attidudes about industrial enviromental sounds being the 'musik' of the 20th century and the involvement of machines in sound. BTW - one vote for T.G. in the poll!. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: SV: (kw) Classification Date: 14 Aug 1997 14:36:25 +-200 -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Adam Read=20 Skickat: den 14 augusti 1997 13:38 Till: Jules Seifert Kopia: Kraftwerk Mailing List =C4mne: Re: (kw) Classification Jules Seifert wrote: > hehe I was merely pointing out the two bands that to me changed my > life as far as industrial sounds were concerned. Although NE and 242 > have since watered themselves down, they were an integral ( and > important part) of the industrial insurgence in the mid/late eighties. Adam Read wrote: I think the term is industrial RE-surgence in 1985/6 The only 'Industrial' was Throbbing Gristle in 1977-81, who coined the term (from thier label 'Industrial Records'). I second that part about Throbbing Gristle being "Industrial", but what = about Cabaret Voltaire? IMHO The Cabs are as much "Industrial" as TG. Even Die Krupps first 12" (Stahlwerk symphonie) and D.A.F.s "Die Kleine = Und Die Bosen" is in my opinion "Industrial". Further more is there a difference between the European and the American = meaning of "Industrial"? (I=B4ve seen NIN and Ministry being described as "Industrial-Bands", but = are they really?) As for 242 and Nitzer Ebb, aren=B4t they labeled "Electronic Body = Music"?=20 =20 Uffe=00=00 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification Date: 14 Aug 1997 12:45:15 GMT Uffe Silverup wrote: >As for 242 and Nitzer Ebb, aren=B4t they labeled "Electronic Body = Music"?=20 certainly not in the UK!!! Julian Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk London, UK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification Date: 14 Aug 1997 13:55:40 +0000 The only thing I used to have by Front 242 was an album which contained Official Version, Television and Quite Unusual,etc.,etc I don't know how this fairs with their other releases? Is there anything better than this? Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification Date: 14 Aug 1997 09:15:52 -0400 (EDT) >The only thing I used to have by Front 242 was an album which >contained Official Version, Television and Quite Unusual,etc.,etc >I don't know how this fairs with their other releases? Is there >anything better than this? Hey Craig. The album you have of theirs was released circa 1986/1987. They'd been around since about 1981 however, so there is earlier music of theirs which may have more of a Kraftwerk influence detectable. Perhaps their first album 'Geography' from '81, often regarded as a classic in some circles. I myself prefer 1987's 'Backcatalogue', a sort of best hits compilation of some of their most significant work from over the years spanning '81-'87. Today many fans of 242 mainly appreciate them for their later & more commercial tracks like "Headhunter", "Rhythm of Time", and so forth. Also terrific stuff mind you, but I'm a sucker for their early and more experimental sounds. Pascal Bussy's book contains various segments from his interviews with Front242's Patrick Codenys, a self-proclaimed Kraftwerk fan since he bought the 'Autobahn' LP back in '74. I had always made parallels between early 242 and Kraftwerk before reading the interviews, so it's nice to see how it all pieces together. -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Wir sind Schaufensterpuppen..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subrata Bhattacharjee Subject: (kw) kraftwerk Digest V3 #122 -Reply Date: 14 Aug 1997 09:14:49 -0500 I will be out of the office until Friday, August 15. If your message is urgent, please leave a telephone message with my assistant, Anna Mok, at 869-7778. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification Date: 14 Aug 1997 08:21:30 -0500 Uffe Silverup wrote: >=20 > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr=E5n: Adam Read > Skickat: den 14 augusti 1997 13:38 > Till: Jules Seifert > Kopia: Kraftwerk Mailing List > =C4mne: Re: (kw) Classification >=20 > Jules Seifert wrote: >=20 > > hehe I was merely pointing out the two bands that to me changed my > > life as far as industrial sounds were concerned. Although NE and 242 > > have since watered themselves down, they were an integral ( and > > important part) of the industrial insurgence in the mid/late eighties. >=20 > Adam Read wrote: > I think the term is industrial RE-surgence in 1985/6 >=20 > The only 'Industrial' was Throbbing Gristle in 1977-81, who coined the > term (from thier label 'Industrial Records'). >=20 > I second that part about Throbbing Gristle being "Industrial", but > wh= at about Cabaret Voltaire? >=20 Yeah, CabVoltaire and Monte Cazzazza were also on Industrial Records and could therefore also be termed Industrial, by the strictest definitions. I don't subscribe to the strictest definitions, though. As far as I'm concerned, Industrial music includes all inheritors of that TG/CV legacy...Skinny Puppy had the CV experimental electronics and the over-the-top shock value of TG. Hence, I call 'em Industrial. 90% of the electro since then has been Skinny Puppy influences, so to me it's still industrial, although a few generations removed from the source. > IMHO The Cabs are as much "Industrial" as TG. >=20 > Even Die Krupps first 12" (Stahlwerk symphonie) and D.A.F.s "Die Kleine= Und Die Bosen" is in my opinion "Industrial". >=20 > Further more is there a difference between the European and the America= n meaning of > "Industrial"? > (I=B4ve seen NIN and Ministry being described as "Industrial-Bands", bu= t > are they really?) >=20 I hate this discussion. "American" industrial? "European" industrial?=20 The both come from the same source. American listeners are, unfortunately, a bit less receptive to synthesizers than european audiences and thus music produced over here tends to use guitars more as noisemakers than synths. But it's not exclusive. There's are some damn good american electronic bands (Mentallo and the Fixer, Oneiroid Psychosis, etc) and some good european guitar bands (which I can't name because I don't listen to guitar music all that much anymore). NIN and Ministry are no exceptions. Granted, they're both leaning heavily to the pop side of things these days, but they still know their roots.=20 Trent's a big Neubauten fan so I give him credit for that. =20 > As for 242 and Nitzer Ebb, aren=B4t they labeled "Electronic Body > Mus= ic"? EBM is...well, it's another record label. For me, it's easier to find the "industrial" section of a CD store than it is to find the "EBM", "American Industrial", "Euro-Industrial", and "Post-Industrial" sections. I wouldn't even be able to tell you who is an EBM band and who isn't anymore, and electronic music is a passion of mine. So many artists have either accepted or disavowed that label, I dunno what to think. Well, just my $.02 --=20 =3D--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------=3D=20 | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko |=20 =3D------------------------------------------------------------------=3D The horror! The horror! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Standefer Subject: Re: (kw) Classification Date: 14 Aug 1997 06:25:33 -0700 (PDT) ---Uffe Silverup wrote: > > Further more is there a difference between the European and the American meaning of > "Industrial"? > (I´ve seen NIN and Ministry being described as "Industrial-Bands", but are they really?) > Yes, I think they are, specifically in the case of Ministry. Alain Jourgensen (Ministry) started his band waaay back in the early 80s (82?). They were significantly more poppy then, like Erasure rather than Skinny Puppy. Ever hear the song "Halloween"? Richard 23 from Front 242 collaborated with Alain on one of the Revolting Cocks records. When I think industrial music, I think Front 242. NIN has strayed from the industrial genre (Pretty Hate Machine) and gone into something I can't describe. Both Ministry and NIN at one time fit a different kind of industrial sound...it reminds me more of a large factory producing automobiles, with heavy machinery sounds. Some Americans agree that industrial is a fusion of heavy metal (ie Pantera) and electronica (ie New Order). Play your synths with a harsh electric guitar and you have American industrial. A lot of my friends here in Austin think that a guy (or guys) on stage with just synthesizers is wimpy, a blast from the 80s. I think that's one of the reasons electronic acts like 808 State and New Order don't fare well live, while "conventional" acts like Garth Brooks and Alanis Morrissette sell out arenas. Heck, maybe it's an American v. European thing...The Cure didn't sell out a large venue here, while Hootie and the Blowfish did. I couldn't get a ticket to The Cure in Belgium to save my life. Even U2 ticket sales aren't meeting expectations. The only exception to the above is the Spice Girls, but they're an abomination all their own :). Sorry for straying from the original topic into a discussion of continents...I do that sometimes. > Uffe robert _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) New material? Date: 14 Aug 1997 22:55:08 +0900 Hi Klaus and all, Am 14 Aug 1997 09:08:44 +0000, schreibt Klaus Zaepke: > > News of a new KW album continues to circulate. According to EMI in > > Germany, a new Kraftwerk release had initially been scheduled for June, > > which was then bumped back to September. Last I heard, it's been moved > > once again to October, > > And if we can believe the September issue of Intro, it is now > scheduled for spring 1998. Umm... Same thing happened in the beginning of this year... :-( I once posted it to this list over a half year before, that Japanese Toshiba EMI once announced they'd begin selling Kraftwerk's totally brand new work on 29/Jan/1997. Catalog Nr was provided... Anyway, thanks so much for the info Klaus, and please keep us informed! 8-) Prost! Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) Pizzicato 5 Date: 14 Aug 1997 22:55:16 +0900 Hi Gien and all, Am 14 Aug 1997 11:12:33 +0100, schreibt Glen: > Woah! Suggest you all check out the track "Contact" on the forthcoming > Pizzicato 5 album, "Happy End Of the World" (Matador) - massive sections > of "Pocket Calculator" sampled. Sounds cool; great record. "Contact"? I got Japanese version of the album, from Nippon Columbia (Cat. Nr. COCA-14242), but it doesn't have the track. :-( If you have chance, could you please let us know its track listing for our info? Anyway, the album is full of cool & pop sound, created by Yasuharu Konishi (Mr. Pizicatto Five) and Yukihiro Fukutomi (a techno musician/DJ). Quite different from Kraftwerkish sounds, though. When Yasuharu played DJ at a party (namely at "Sound Museum" Opening Party of Towa Tei, on 16-17/May/1997 at "YELLOW" Nishi-Azabu Tokyo), his play was totally fantastic! Dozens of electrical/boingboomtschak/moscowdiscow sampled sound appeared! He showed some preview tracks from the albums also. ;-) At the party, I and my friends loved the Theme of Rocky (yes, that boxing hero on film!) arranged with drum'n'bass! Cheers, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Classification Date: 14 Aug 1997 15:54:39 +0200 >What kind of music does Kraftwerk create? I've heard it called electronic, I'll say... >When I think of industrial, I think of bands like Skinny Puppy, >Ministry, and nine inch nails. KW doesn't fit in there...and I don't mmmh... this use of the definition industrial actually seem strange to me... I would not really call industrial anything with electric guitar on it... or in which the vocal are raucal (sp?)... >music it was. I just said it was electronic :). yes, you said it! and anyway, when I think to industrial music I think to Metropolis or Computerworld, for instance. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) New material? Date: 14 Aug 1997 15:54:37 +0200 >album? I wouldn't think they'd be playing concerts well, actually they made a surprize tour in Italy some year ago (Grassina near Firenze) and we were all waiting for the *new* song... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification Date: 14 Aug 1997 15:54:41 +0200 >so why not just call it "Robotpop"? yes, even the pop aspect is important in K music. after all it was themselves that said that in the '50s and '60s Germany in which they lived their youth there was a sort of vacuum about the tradition, everything seemed to be imported from Usa or non existent, so they could have had the opportunity to start from the blank a part of the new mass culture... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Cleopatra advert for Yamo Date: 14 Aug 1997 15:54:35 +0200 >> the CMJ conference in the fall. It is the first time any member of >> KRAFTWERK has been back to America since 1981. This is mmmh... I think this ad from Cleopatra is a complete lack of taste. if I was Fluer I'll be very disappointed. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Classification Date: 14 Aug 1997 10:06:04 -0400 (EDT) >A lot of my friends here in Austin think that a guy (or guys) on stage >with just synthesizers is wimpy, a blast from the 80s. I think that's >one of the reasons electronic acts like 808 State and New Order don't >fare well live, while "conventional" acts like Garth Brooks and Alanis >Morrissette sell out arenas. All I know is that I saw both 808 State and New Order perform live on the same stage in the summer of '93, and that performance was anything but wimpy! 808 State created a virtual world up there on stage using a full laser light show, and I felt more like I was in a planetarium than a concert! It was truly fantastic. And as for New Order, I tend not to think of them as one of the 80's synthesizer acts in the same way I think of Depeche Mode, Erasure, Pet Shop Boys, etc. New Order's live shows have always featured Bernard Sumner on guitar and Peter Hook on bass, so that always did away with the "4-man at synth console" approach. Take Depeche Mode on the other hand - anyone who watches their 101 video of the "music for the masses" tour in 1988 would think they stole their entire set design concept from Kraftwerk! Perhaps that's another reason why I loved them so much. :-) -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Ich bin der Musikant..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fermin Goiriz" Subject: RE: SV: (kw) Classification Date: 14 Aug 1997 16:19:48 +0200 >>> Psychosis, etc) and some good european guitar bands (which I can't name <<< On a heavily off-topik note, am I the only My Bloody Valentine fan here? Think they're the best band of the nineties..... although they only released Loveless in 91 in this decade. I mostly hate guitars, but these guys know how to use them... >>> The only exception to the above is the Spice Girls, but they're an abomination all their own :). <<< Jejeje... flame me men, but I rather like some of the Spice Girls songs... they're funny :-) Later... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification Date: 14 Aug 1997 16:42:55 +0200 I hate classifications!!!!!!!! Rafa. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Classification Date: 14 Aug 1997 15:50:43 +0000 > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:06:04 -0400 (EDT) > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > From: "Scott M. Barnhill" > Subject: Re: (kw) Classification > > > And as for New Order, I tend not to think of them as one of the 80's synthesizer acts in the same way I think of > Depeche Mode, Erasure, Pet Shop Boys, etc. New Order's live shows have > always featured Bernard Sumner on guitar and Peter Hook on bass, so that > always did away with the "4-man at synth console" approach. Yes I saw New Order at Wembly Arena in 1988, they used lead and bass guitars all through the concert, I especially remember either Bernard or Peter saying .."this next part of the set is for all you depressive bastards out there"! It was followed by several Joy Division tracks. If you are aware of JD, then you will especially realise why they use guitars. The best caption I have ever seen on a band t-shirt was: "NEW ORDER..........A DIVISION OF JOY" Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification Date: 14 Aug 1997 11:07:36 EDT On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:36:25 +-200 Uffe Silverup writes: > >I second that part about Throbbing Gristle being "Industrial", but >what = >about Cabaret Voltaire? > >IMHO The Cabs are as much "Industrial" as TG. > and what about this heat and tuxedomoon? tom w np: cul de sac - i dont want to go to bed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: freiheit@tstonramp.com Subject: Re: (kw) New material? Date: 13 Aug 1997 22:29:34 PST ** Reply to note from "Scott M. Barnhill" Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Thanks to Scott Barnhill for the short .WAV of the new Kraftwerk song from the Tribal Gathering. My impression? Considering it is only about 30 seconds of it, so I haven't heard as much as those of you who were actually there, I fear the godfathers of techno, technopop, and industrial have lost their edge. This bit sounds rather like they want to be Prodigy or some other such (shall I say freakish?) group. I still would not hesitate to buy the album when it comes out to hear the rest of the new material. I have no doubt there will be redeeming qualities when it's taken as a whole. That is the Kraftwerk way. Thanks again Scott, /------------------dON eITNER------------------\ | published author, web publisher, OS/2 user | |----------------------------------------------| | freiheit@tstonramp.com | | http://www.tstonramp.com/~freiheit/styx.html | \----------------------------------------------/ cc: kraftwerk@xmission.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "miffo man" Subject: Re: (kw) Classification Date: 14 Aug 1997 03:19:18 PDT >Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > >>Front242 was industrial back >>in 1981 with their 'Geography' album or Nitzer Ebb in 1987 > >I was hoping somebody would mention the two definitions of >industrial... Two??? What is Einsturzende Neubauten or Die hafler trio then? 2 more or?? And if Nitzer and Front was industrial then allmost all "non-mainstream" synth groups of the early eighties also industrial!! Miffo_Man ># Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Schuldt" Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification Date: 14 Aug 1997 18:32:50 +1000 > > I hate classifications!!!!!!!! > > Rafa. > Yes but very convenient when searching for new music experiences or what do U think? It's the same with comparing different groups music with eachother to find "clones" i.e. when a band releases too few records............ // Andreas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ralphm@mindspring.com Subject: Re: (kw) Classification Date: 14 Aug 1997 13:55:00 -0400 >All I know is that I saw both 808 State and New Order perform live >on the same stage in the summer of '93, and that performance was anything >but wimpy! 808 State created a virtual world up there on stage using a full >laser light show, and I felt more like I was in a planetarium than a >concert! It was truly fantastic. I saw 808 State at the Masquerade in Atlanta about the same year, maybe a little before. They were great. I really liked the laser show and they had a front man running around to pump things up a bit. I think if they just came out and played it wouldn't have been as exciting. I forget which, but one of the two lead guys broke out a guitar and was trying to move around and play and tripped on one of the speaker monitors. He hopped right back up and continued on. I knew it was a million-to-one shot that Bjork would be there and of course she wasn't. Just curious if she was around at any of them at all. >NIN has strayed from the industrial genre (Pretty Hate Machine) and >gone into something I can't describe. Both Ministry and NIN at one >time fit a different kind of industrial sound...it reminds me more of >a large factory producing automobiles, with heavy machinery sounds. Someone said they didn't like classifications. Agreed, but if you have to I would agree with the factory idea stated above. I mentioned a little while ago about OMD's version of Neon Lights and hadn't heard anything back about it. Is it that disliked? Or been discussed to death? Just give me a "been there, done that" and I'll let it alone. Ralph Milam ralphm@mindspring.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Regor@webtv.net (R. D.) Subject: Re: (kw) Your poll results. Date: 14 Aug 1997 14:24:27 -0400 ThanKs for the results. How many people responded ? -- Roger Regor@webtv.net Using WebTV since 01/09/97. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: Re[2]: SV: (kw) Classification Date: 14 Aug 1997 18:23:31 I thought we'd settled this one months ago when Jules Siefert classified Kraftwerk music as "Shit Hot". I second that emotion. Nuff said. Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: Re[2]: (kw) Classification Date: 14 Aug 1997 18:23:05 Sealand wrote: Yes I saw New Order at Wembly Arena in 1988, they used lead and bass guitars all through the concert, I especially remember either Bernard or Peter saying .."this next part of the set is for all you depressive bastards out there"! It was followed by several Joy Division tracks. If you are aware of JD, then you will especially realise why they use guitars. >>Now that is sacrilige, no-one, and I mean no-one, other than the legend that is Ian Curtis has any right to attempt to sing a JD song. Can we ever forgive Paul Young's attrocious ruining of Love Will Tear Us Apart?<< Regards Richard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: (kw) Classification Date: 14 Aug 1997 15:41:30 -0500 POOLTON, Richard wrote: > > > >>Now that is sacrilige, no-one, and I mean no-one, other than the legend that > is Ian Curtis has any right to attempt to sing a JD song. Can we ever forgive > Paul Young's attrocious ruining of Love Will Tear Us Apart?<< > Dunno how you can say that, since it's still 3/4 of Joy Division...I mean, three of New Order wrote the songs so they have as much claim to it as anybody. And it's not like in their early days they didn't still tour on JD songs, with barney even doing a pretty damn good imitation if Ian... -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= The horror! The horror! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joel Provost Subject: (kw) Karshrule Concert Date: 14 Aug 1997 19:54:25 -0400 Hi everyone, New to the list, but a loooong time Kraftwerk fan. I was writing to see if anyone may be on this list that is hoping/thinking/planning on attending one of the two european concerts from the Tampa Bay Florida USA area. I'm looking for someone to partner with on a trip across the big pond. I don't have any friends that are big enough (or rich enough) Kraftwerk fans to make the trip. Don't want to do it alone... Never been out of North America :-( myself. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subrata Bhattacharjee Subject: (kw) kraftwerk Digest V3 #123 -Reply Date: 14 Aug 1997 20:03:01 -0500 I will be out of the office until Friday, August 15. If your message is urgent, please leave a telephone message with my assistant, Anna Mok, at 869-7778. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) hi-tech and grunge free fonts Date: 15 Aug 1997 02:34:40 +0200 hello, I found this very nice swedish site that offers a lot of free ttf fonts, one of them is a matrix-dot font that look like the one used in Computer World http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-46346/ incidentally, don't you find something interesting about the "loop" in the concept of use the ttf technology do reproduce the dotted look the ttf was create to escape from? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification Date: 15 Aug 1997 02:34:42 +0200 >>IMHO The Cabs are as much "Industrial" as TG. >> >and what about this heat and tuxedomoon? and about Clock DVA? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) Yamo's italian text Date: 15 Aug 1997 02:34:34 +0200 hello, I giving a quick listening to Yamo's Time Pie, not bad. it remember me something about Aphex Twin and Orb. =20 there is an italian text spoken by a female voice, maybe someone is interested in it. here is the transcription with an (I hope) acceptable english translation. nothing really meaningful anyway and it does not really seem to have been written by an italian mothertongue. there is some mispelling here and there: I preferred to write the correct sentence. anyway, here we go: tra testa e mano c'=E8 il cuore fatto come un lavoro d'arte. la volont=E0 =E8 guidata dalla mano altri scavano le loro teste nella sabbia. le mani hanno bisogno della testa per muoversi ma il cuore =E8 quello per controllarsi. la strada che ti porta da un amico =E8 dalla testa al cuore alla mano. la testa... il cuore... between the head and the hand there is the heart made like a work of art. the will is guided by the hand other ones dig their head in the sand. the hands need the head to move but the heart is the one [needed] to control [ourselves]. the road that bring you to a friend is from the head to the heart to the hand the head... the heart... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: (kw) New www.kraftwerk.com Date: 15 Aug 1997 19:24:19 +1000 Major changes at Kraftwerk site... W O W !! Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Glen Subject: Re: (kw) Pizzicato 5 Date: 15 Aug 1997 10:51:07 +0100 In message , Hiroshi MURATA writes >Hi Gien and all, > >Am 14 Aug 1997 11:12:33 +0100, schreibt Glen: > > Woah! Suggest you all check out the track "Contact" on the forthcoming > > Pizzicato 5 album, "Happy End Of the World" (Matador) - massive sections > > of "Pocket Calculator" sampled. Sounds cool; great record. > >"Contact"? >I got Japanese version of the album, from Nippon Columbia >(Cat. Nr. COCA-14242), but it doesn't have the track. :-( >If you have chance, could you please let us know its track >listing for our info? 1) The World Is Spinning at 45RPM 2) The Earth Goes Around 3) Trailer Music 4) It's a Beautiful Day 5) Love's Prelude 6) Love Theme 7) My Baby Portable 8) Mon Amour Tokyo 9) Contact 10) Collision and Imporvisation 11) Porno 12) Arigato, We Love You 13) Ma Vie, L'ete de Vie 14) Happy Ending Just to clarify, on second and third listens, I'd say that they haven't sampled it as such but emulated it damned closely. The lead three notes after "By pressing down a special key it plays a little melody...." and the middle 8 main body of rhythm. So, they've been clever - the tune is the same but it's an interpretation and not the KW original sampled as such. -- Glen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Release New Song Date: 15 Aug 1997 20:01:48 +1000 It's official, it's from Kraftwerk and it's the new song. At http://www.kraftwerk.com A large and excellent .avi file of the new song at Tribal Gathering. I think this must be the first official and new material from KW in 10 years! Can anyone make out what the symbol in the top left of the frame is ? I think I believe in the new album now. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fermin Goiriz" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk Release New Song Date: 15 Aug 1997 12:17:55 +0200 >>> It's official, it's from Kraftwerk and it's the new song. At http://www.kraftwerk.com A large and excellent .avi file of the new song at Tribal Gathering. I think this must be the first official and new material from KW in 10 years! Can anyone make out what the symbol in the top left of the frame is ? I think I believe in the new album now. <<< Im downloading it now-- thanks God I have GetRight, cos my server went down :-) Now thank you Ralf & Florian! jeje # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) WOW Date: 15 Aug 1997 11:25:05 +0000 Stop whatever you are doing right now, I SAID STOP! Go to the Kraftwerk site, it has video and sound footage of the new song performed at Tribal Gathering. I can hardly contain myself, I must have played it about ten times already!!! I don't care what anyone on this list says, I still think that if this is the direction of their new material then I for one am greatly pleased. All I can say is, whoever updated the Kraftwerk site knows how to tease us. It looks as though the Karlsrue Koncert will be a showcase for their new material, now I wish I had arrange my holiday to the States at another time so I could attend, bollocks and f*@# and sh*t. Oh well, I will just have to settle for seing 'The Numeister' with Jules and Rich-tea boy instead! Enjoy, enjoy Karlsrue people. Craig. PS Not quite gone yet, I will still be here until 17:15 GMT. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Release New Song Date: 15 Aug 1997 10:28:31 GMT Adam Read wrote: >I think this must be the first official and new material from KW in 10 >years! *sniff sniff* Brings tears to the eyes :-))) ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robert.k@daltekvision.se (Robert Krenn) Subject: Re: (kw) New www.kraftwerk.com Date: 15 Aug 1997 12:32:25 +0200 Adam Read wrote: > > Major changes at Kraftwerk site... > > W O W !! > Dito! //Robert -- - Robert Krenn http://www.daltekvision.se - - tel 1: +46 (0)243 87858 tel 2: +46 (0)243 73504 - - mob: +46 (0)70 5718622 fax: +46 (0)243 85402 - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fermin Goiriz" Subject: RE: (kw) WOW Date: 15 Aug 1997 12:38:07 +0200 >>> I can hardly contain myself, I must have played it about ten times already!!! I don't care what anyone on this list says, I still think that if this is the direction of their new material then I for one am greatly pleased. <<< Hey me three! I love it. It's *exactly* the same excerpt they showed here in Canal Plus TV and I had already on tape.... but it's coolllllll anyway....... :-) later ps: this song is gonna be a floorfiller or what! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: (kw) HEY! A snippet of things to come? Date: 15 Aug 1997 10:52:15 GMT Check out the frames between 24-26 secs on the .avi!!! That wasn't from the concert! things to come maybe? Making a video possibly? ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fermin Goiriz" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk Release New Song Date: 15 Aug 1997 12:56:42 +0200 Adam said: >>> First things I notice: there is no audience I can see, and there are no videos playing. This must be from the soundcheck the night before the Tribal Gathering show. There is a nice frame of Florian behind the screen. It seems to be the same section of song as we heard before, but quite a different mix. <<< I have looked at my tape, which is the same video. Well, they inserted images of the audience between the kraftwerk images, but you can never see both in the same frame...... so i think you're right. later # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Krafty Move Date: 15 Aug 1997 13:06:08 +0200 (DFT) I've heard about a new Kraftwerk tribute CD, which is apparently scheduled for this summer, "Krafty Move - an electronic tribute to Kraftwerk". Are there any more details about this release known? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Release New Song Date: 15 Aug 1997 11:07:34 GMT =46ermin Goiriz wrote: >It seems to be the same section of song as we heard before, but >quite a different mix It doesn't sound like the tape I have of the TG performance. I think it could well be the soundcheck as Adam mentioned....... ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: (kw) .avi dissection..... Date: 15 Aug 1997 11:18:27 GMT Looks to me like the symbol (top-left) is the TG symbol...... ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Krafty Move Date: 15 Aug 1997 12:31:37 +0000 > I've heard about a new Kraftwerk tribute CD, which is apparently > scheduled for this summer, "Krafty Move - an electronic tribute > to Kraftwerk". > Are there any more details about this release known? > Yeah, lets hope it's a damn size better than that terrible Random CD tribute to Numan! Listies, remember IMHO, no flames on Random to the list please Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) New www.kraftwerk.com Date: 15 Aug 1997 13:25:44 +0200 Hi all!=20 =20 Got this message : (=20 =20 "Page Unavailable =20 =20 The page your are trying to access is unavailable,=20 because it has been accessed too many times today,=20 or the account servingthe page has expired. =20 You might want to try again tomorrow." =20 =20 Hopefully this will be sorted out soon!=20 =20 Mats=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Release New Song Date: 15 Aug 1997 08:25:15 -0400 When I hit http://www.kraftwerk.com, I get: Page Unavailable The page your are trying to access is unavailable, because it has been accessed too many times today, or the account serving the page has expired. You might want to try again tomorrow. Thanks a lot, folks. Now I have to wait until Monday to hear the new song. AAAARGH!!!! :-) -- Adam J Weitzman -- Individual, Inc. -- http://www.individual.com -- "I'm writing an unathorized autobiography." - Steven Wright # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:27:43 +-200 Date: 15 Aug 1997 06:30:48 -0600 The page your are trying to access is unavailable BASTARDS! ;-) Uffe _________________________________________________________________________ Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden E-Mail: silverup@algonet.se or robotronik@rocketmail.com _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ # Peektime viewing blown in a flash, as I burn into your memory cells# ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robert.k@daltekvision.se (Robert Krenn) Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:27:43 +-200 Date: 15 Aug 1997 14:36:02 +0200 Uffe Silverup wrote: > > The page your are trying to access is unavailable > > BASTARDS! ;-) > > Uffe I think KW have a weak service provider for their web-space. Or maybe _we_ accessed it to heavily, I know I dl the file atleast 2 times, Netscape crashed for me... //Robert - -- - Robert Krenn http://www.daltekvision.se - - tel 1: +46 (0)243 87858 tel 2: +46 (0)243 73504 - - mob: +46 (0)70 5718622 fax: +46 (0)243 85402 - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) .avi dissection..... Date: 15 Aug 1997 13:08:53 GMT ............also note that it must be the soundcheck due to the distinct lack of photography flashes taking place. Julian Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk London, UK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Kings of Techno Date: 15 Aug 1997 15:30:19 +0000 Well I get the impression from the KW clip of the new song on their site that they are just the dogs bollocks at what they do. Just look at the way they caually stand around performing that track, it's like their body language is saying, "we are so good at what we do, look how easy we can perform such quality Techno...." Fair play boys, just make sure that the new album is a double pack of new songs to make up for the past ten years! Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F. G." Subject: RE: (kw) Kings of Techno Date: 15 Aug 1997 16:52:34 +0200 >>> Well I get the impression from the KW clip of the new song on their site that they are just the dogs bollocks at what they do. Just look at the way they caually stand around performing that track, it's like their body language is saying, "we are so good at what we do, look how easy we can perform such quality Techno...." <<< I dont think so....... i think its ironic that they play so danceable beats keeping totally motionless... i find it funny, i think is a joke, similar to the TEE cover. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Regor@webtv.net (R. D.) Subject: (kw) This mailing list. Date: 15 Aug 1997 11:32:33 -0400 I have 2 questions on this KW mailing list: I'm curious to know when this KW list started. In the "archives" I see that the Kraftwerk Digest Volume-1 Issue-1 is dated "Wed, 20 Jan 1993". Did the list exist before that? Somebody must know when all this started. Also, does anybody know how many we are on this list? These informations would help to define my "mental picture" of the list... -- Roger Regor@webtv.net Using WebTV since 01/09/97. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Release New Song Date: 15 Aug 1997 20:33:55 +1000 Fermin Goiriz wrote: > >>> It's official, it's from Kraftwerk and it's the new song. > At http://www.kraftwerk.com First things I notice: there is no audience I can see, and there are no videos playing. This must be from the soundcheck the night before the Tribal Gathering show. There is a nice frame of Florian behind the screen. It seems to be the same section of song as we heard before, but quite a different mix. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Signing Off.... Date: 15 Aug 1997 16:55:52 +0000 Well it is now 16:53 GMT here in the UK and I think I will call it a day. I will be signing off now for some time, don't know when I'll be back again,.....oh, babe,...I hate to go-o-o-o-o!!!! Lets see what two weeks of absense brings forth from the list. Best Regards, Craig. PS. I'm not looking forward to the amount of e:mails I'm going to have when I return I can tell you. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Your poll results. Date: 15 Aug 1997 18:36:05 +0100 POOLTON, Richard wrote: > > There were very clear winners, > 20% of voters favoured Depeche Mode, and > 20% of voters favoured Gary Numan as best solo artists > Any conclusions anyone? > WHAT ? I've been corresponding for 6 months with people who like Depeche Mode ? Jesus.... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: (kw) New info on www.kraftwerk.com Date: 15 Aug 1997 21:40:54 +0200 At this time 21:30 CET the only pages to be seen on www.kraftwerk.com are the ones identical to the ones last week. Where is the large .avi ? Did they put the all pages back because they reached their traffic? I want to see it !!!! How big is it and can someone put it on his homepage ? groeten, Dolf / / twingo@xs4all.nl ----/---/---- Dolf Wiemer, the Netherlands / / tel.: int +31 24 677 00 06 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) New info on www.kraftwerk.com Date: 16 Aug 1997 07:28:27 +1000 Twingo on the Internet wrote: > At this time 21:30 CET the only pages to be seen on www.kraftwerk.com > are > the ones identical to the ones last week. Where is the large .avi ? > Did > they put the all pages back because they reached their traffic? The .avi file is 4.4MB, so maybe there were too many downloads. Shame because there is a nice new graphic of the band and links for the Karlsruhe show and new menus. Interesting, that Kraftwerk have released exactly what has been passed around the internet recently. I definitly think that they are keeping an eye on this list and other web sites. --- hi Ralf ! :-). Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Subject: (kw) Re: Pease forward to Ralf Huetter. Date: 15 Aug 1997 23:56:39 +0200 Tripudjo Djuliarso wrote: > > FORWARD TO RALF HUETTER!! > > Dear Ralf: > How are you? > Give me a signal! Great to see you guys moving on. > > Remember me? This is Mokky -- the Indonesian bassplayer from RWTH > Germany, Aachen. We started a few gigs together in the early beginning > days. > > Anyways, good to see you guys moving. Are you still doing gigs? > > Give me a signal > > Gruss Gott > > Mokky I received this mail last week from my this guy who visited my homepage. After my previous experience with some fake Klaus Dinger mails I'm a bit sceptic. Does anyone know this guy? I've responded to this mail and I'm waiting for something of a proof that he really played with Ralf. Peter Kraftwerk, The Early Years '68 - '73 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Subject: (kw) Dieter Doepfer VS Florian Date: 16 Aug 1997 00:15:13 +0200 I've travelled around Germany for two week this summer and I made a stop at Dieter Doepfer in Graefelfing. For you who don't know he's manufacturing analog modular synthesizers and midi keyboards. I visited his office and bought an A-100 synthesizer system and talked about analog designs. He told me that Florian had been involved in the construction of the Doepfer Vocoder and that he had visited the Kling Klang three or four times. Florian had looked at the designs and they had compared it to Florians collection of some 20 different Vocoders. Dieter describes Florian as very open minded and very competent in the area of electronic designs. Florian has also made some remarks about the A-100 analog synthesizer, but Dieter wouldn't call it a cooperation. He also told me that he had custom made ,for Kraftwerk, six units of two octave pressure sensitive keyboards with full MIDI spec. The keys are more like pocket calculator keys than ordinary keys. Dieter is a good guy and a legendary analog synthesizer constructor! I have plans to make a Doepfer page with some sounds and some Vocoder demos. Peter Kraftwerk, The Early Years '68 - '73 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoBoten Subject: (kw) the AVI Date: 16 Aug 1997 04:35:11 +0200 How do you ask god/the gods if you can publish their material on your site? I do it this way: Sorry, GODS.. Your site was overloaded because of hungry fans.. I'll help you with some bandwidth at http://www.abc.se/~m9736/kraftwerk/luton97.avi (C) KRAFTWERK (R) Klingklang produkt.. all rights reserved.. Please don't hang me and all that stuff //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) Pizzicato 5 Date: 16 Aug 1997 14:21:32 +0900 Hi Glen and all, Am 15 Aug 1997 10:51:07 +0100, schreibt Glen: >1) The World Is Spinning at 45RPM 2) The Earth Goes Around >3) Trailer Music 4) It's a Beautiful Day 5) Love's Prelude >6) Love Theme 7) My Baby Portable 8) Mon Amour Tokyo >9) Contact 10) Collision and Imporvisation 11) Porno >12) Arigato, We Love You 13) Ma Vie, L'ete de Vie 14) Happy Ending Thank you so much! It sure is interesting. I asked a P5 fan, and am told that "Contact" is already released in a previous work of P5. >Just to clarify, on second and third listens, I'd say that they haven't >sampled it as such but emulated it damned closely. The lead three notes >after "By pressing down a special key it plays a little melody...." and >the middle 8 main body of rhythm. So, they've been clever - the tune is >the same but it's an interpretation and not the KW original sampled as >such. Okay, I'll try the track soon. Thanks so much! :-) BTW I got a bootleg CD of The Orb titled "The Ultra Mixes". Found one of these tracks has obvious sample sound from "Musique non stop." Try "Little Fluffy Crouds" if you have chance. Regards, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) KW's labels Date: 16 Aug 1997 00:15:16 -0400 KW's USA labels: Capitol/EMI for "The Man Machine," "Trans-Europe Express," and "Radio-Activity"; Warner Bros. (original release) or Elektra for "Computer World," "Autobahn" (1985 re-release), and "Electric Café"; and Elektra for "The Mix." IMHO, if you're just getting into KW, DO NOT get the Cleopatra versions of the Capitol albums. "Autobahn," however, is currently out-of-print on CD in the US. The new album, who knows? Just hope it isn't on that cheeseball label Cleopatra. Well, it could be worse--imagine it on no-talent Master P.'s No Limit label! Have you ever seen worse graphic design in your life? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) concert dates... Date: 16 Aug 1997 12:30:16 +0200 Hi all,=20 =20 I was asked by Marko Schmidt if I had further concert dates, and=20 information regarding the below listed concert dates...=20 =20 If you have info to add mail me or Marko (M.SCHMIDT@top.east.de).=20 =20 Cheers!=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 Markos WWW-site: http://www.wekotec.com/kraftwerk/ =20 My WWW-site: http://www.student.gu.se/~maka0067 (new=20 design!)=20 =20 =20 =20 1971=20 =20 29.02.1971 Paris "L'Olympia" Frankreich=20 =20 12.06.1971 K=F6ln=20 =20 13.06.1971 D=FCsseldorf=20 =20 =20 =20 1975=20 =20 12.03.1975 Paris "Bataclan" Frankreich=20 =20 22.03.1975 K=F6ln "Satorys=E4le" Deutschland=20 =20 11.05.1975 Berkeley "Keystoke"=20 =20 ??.??.1975 Chikago=20 =20 01.09.1975 London "Festival Hall" England=20 =20 17.09.1975 Brighton "Dome" England=20 =20 =20 =20 1976=20 =20 28.02.1976 Paris "L'Olympia" Frankreich=20 =20 =20 =20 1981=20 =20 19.05.1981 Florence "Apollo Theatre" Italien=20 =20 26.05.1981 Bologna "Palasport" Italien=20 =20 27.05.1981 Mailand "Palalido" Italien=20 =20 02.06.1981 Barcelona "Palau Grana" Spanien=20 =20 04.06.1981 Lyon "Palais de Sports" Frankreich=20 =20 12.06.1981 M=FCnchen "Zirkus Krone" Deutschland=20 =20 15.06.1981 Manchester "Free Trade Hall" England=20 =20 16.06.1981 Glasgow "Apollo" England=20 =20 18.06.1981 Newcastle "City Hall" England=20 =20 21.06.1981 Liverpool "Royal Court Theatre" England=20 =20 23.06.1981 Birmingham "Odeon" England=20 =20 24.06.1981 Nottingham "Rock City" England=20 =20 29.06.1981 London "Hammersmith Palais" England=20 =20 30.06.1981 Bristol "The Locarno" England=20 =20 03.07.1981 London "Hammersmith Odeon" England=20 =20 ??.??.1981 Paris "L'Olympia" Frankreich=20 =20 06.07.1981 Paris "L'Empire" Frankreich=20 =20 25.07.1981 Detroit "Nitro Rock Club" USA=20 =20 02.08.1981 Washington "Warner Theatre" USA=20 =20 03.08.1981 New York "The Ritz" USA=20 =20 ??.08.1981 Danzig Polen=20 =20 07.09.1981 Tokio "Budokan Hall" Japan=20 =20 11.09.1981 Osaka "Festival Hall" Japan=20 =20 19.09.1981 Melbourne "Princess Theatre" Australien=20 =20 02.12.1981 B=F6blingen "Kongresshalle" Deutschland=20 =20 05.12.1981 D=FCsseldorf "Philipshalle" Deutschland=20 =20 09.12.1981 Frankfurt "Alte Oper" Deutschland=20 =20 10.12.1981 Utrecht "Vredenburg" Holland=20 =20 ??.??.1981 Br=FCssel Belgien=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 1982=20 =20 ??.??.1982 K=F6ln=20 =20 =20 =20 1990=20 =20 07.02.1990 Bologna "Teatro Tivoli" Italien=20 =20 08.02.1990 Padua "Discoteca ExtraExtra" Italien=20 =20 09.02.1990 Grassina "Casa del Populo" Italien=20 =20 11.02.1990 Genua "Psyco Club" Italien=20 =20 =20 =20 1991=20 =20 11.07.1991 Glasgow "Barrowlands" England=20 =20 12.07.1991 Manchester "Apollo" England=20 =20 13.07.1991 Liverpool "Royal Court" England=20 =20 15.07.1991 Birmingham "The Hummingbird" England=20 =20 16.07.1991 Sheffield "City Hall" England=20 =20 17.07.1991 Edingburgh "The Playhouse" Shottland=20 =20 19.07.1991 Brixton "Academy" England=20 =20 20.07.1991 Brixton "Academy" England=20 =20 18.10.1991 Helsinki "Kultuuritalo"=20 =20 20.10.1991 Stockholm "Solnahallen"=20 =20 21.10.1991 Lund "Olympen"=20 =20 24.10.1991 Kopenhagen "Saga Konzerthall" D=E4nemark=20 =20 ??.??.1991 Oslo=20 =20 27.10.1991 Leipzig "Easy Auensee" Deutschland=20 =20 28.10.1991 M=FCnchen "Zirkus Krone" Deutschland=20 =20 30.10.1991 Ludwigsburg "Forum Park" Deutschland=20 =20 31.10.1991 D=FCsseldorf "Philipshalle" Deutschland=20 =20 01.11.1991 Frankfurt "Kongresshalle" Deutschland=20 =20 02.11.1991 Hamburg "Docks" Deutschland=20 =20 03.11.1991 Hamburg "Docks" Deutschland=20 =20 ??.??.1991 Lyon=20 =20 08.11.1991 Barcelona "Zala Zeleste" Spanien=20 =20 ??.??.1991 Valencia=20 =20 09.11.1991 Zaragossa "Carpe Municical" Spanien=20 =20 12.11.1991 Paris "L'Olympia" Frankreich=20 =20 13.11.1991 Utrecht "Vredenburg" Holland=20 =20 14.11.1991 Br=FCssel "Ancienne Belgique" Belgien=20 =20 15.11.1991 Tourcoing "Theatre Municipal"=20 =20 ??.??.1991 Roubaix=20 =20 17.11.1991 Mailand "Rolling Stone" Italien=20 =20 24.11.1991 Berlin "Die Halle" Deutschland=20 =20 26.11.1991 Z=FCrich "Volkshaus" Schweiz=20 =20 ??.??.1991 Wien=20 =20 ??.??.1991 Budapest=20 =20 ??.??.1991 Prag=20 =20 =20 =20 1992=20 =20 16.06.1992 Leicester "University" England=20 =20 17.06.1992 Norwich "University" England=20 =20 18.06.1992 Leicester "Polytechnic" England=20 =20 19.06.1992 Manchester "G-Mex" England=20 =20 =20 =20 1993=20 =20 26.05.1993 Gent "Veeruit" Holland=20 =20 27.05.1993 Osnabr=FCck "Stadthalle" Deutschland=20 =20 17.06.1993 Linz "Brucknerhaus" =D6sterreich=20 =20 =20 =20 1997=20 =20 24.05.1997 Luton Hoo "Tribal Gathering" England=20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Kings of Techno Date: 16 Aug 1997 14:17:23 +0200 >at the way they caually stand around performing that track, it's like well, they always perform in this way, but they don't "play" in the physical way other musicians do, say a drummer or a guitarist that put their movement in the act of playing, or even a keyboardist that does not move too much (Laurie Anderson said she turns to violin because if she always played keyboards on stage people will get bored of seeing her always in the same position...). it seem to me that they "play" by interacting with whole parts of songs (look at the pedals movement - no, not the bycicles ones: the ones under the keybs - when the song's riff change), like ok, now let's have the next four beats going this way, or something. so, they perform live, but in a different way and could look detached from the physical effect of it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) discounted Kraftwer items for sale Date: 16 Aug 1997 14:17:26 +0200 hello, you'll find a list of Kraftwerk items for sale at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3041/kraflist.htm (please mind the capital letters). these are not items of my own but of a friend of mine somebody of you collectors may already know. he said me to discount all the prices of 15%. I have not the time now to update/upload the file, but if you are interested, go there and cut off 15% from any price you see. if you make pressure on him maybe he will discount 20% for multiple buyings but don't tell him I told you. please note also that many items are already sold. later I will upload an updated file in which I will tell if the prices are still to discount or if they are already discounted. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: Re: (kw) concert dates... Date: 16 Aug 1997 15:12:45 +0200 > 1993 > > 26.05.1993 Gent "Veeruit" Holland > Well, close, but it is: 26.05.1993 Gent "Vooruit" Belgium and there's another one: 25.05.1993 Groningen "de Oosterpoort" Holland Hope this was helpful, Statik. -- "I doubt, therefore I might be..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Subject: (kw) 22.03.1975 Köln "Satorysäle" Deutschland Date: 16 Aug 1997 15:39:01 +0200 After I listened to the new track I was a bit confused. Are they genious or did they make better music 22 years ago? Listen to this live track from the Cologne consert '75. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880/autolive.ram A bit of tuning problems in the beginning, but then they show the world why they are the best. Peter Kraftwerk, The Early Years '68 - '73 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: (kw) radioactivity remixes Date: 16 Aug 1997 11:08:19 EDT can someone list all the radioactivity remixes? thanks, tom w # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) win-theme Date: 16 Aug 1997 17:20:46 +0200 Hi, all!=20 =20 I just uploaded a new version of my KW Windows95-theme with a much=20 nicer background image (from the inner sleeve of Electric Caf=E9,=20 standing by their consoles)...(superb quality, thanx to T. Weckert).=20 =20 I have also completely rearanged, improved and deranged my KW-pages. =20 =20 CUL8R !=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 P.S. The video at www.kraftwerk.com is excellent ! ! !=20 P.P.S. My Webpage is at: www.student.gu.se/~maka0067 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) radioactivity remixes Date: 16 Aug 1997 12:48:28 -0400 >can someone list all the radioactivity remixes? thanks, tom w Hmm, let's see. Here are the ones I'm aware of that are apart from the 1991 LP version of the track: (keep in mind that these are only "official" remixes which do not include the types which appear on the KW bootleg remix compilation albums.) Francois Kevorkian 7" remix 4:12 Francois Kevorkian 12" remix 7:27 William Orbit 7" remix 3:49 William Orbit 12" remix 7:23 William Orbit hardcore remix 6:13 Any additions anyone? -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "..is in the air for you and me.." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HAS BEANS Subject: (kw) ROBOT is STILL off-line.... Date: 16 Aug 1997 16:14:13 -0700 *ARGH* Yo, Fellow WERKaholiKs! Hopefully my Computer will be back on line sometime this week.*sigh*. Alas, I cannot access kraftwerk.com to see the video footage- there's no sound on this terminal anyway, so, I would only be further frustrated. But, HAS BEANS is STILL the KooLest Kaffeehaus on the Planet! I'm very appreciative for the opportunity to read the Archives. Best wishes to Everyone- especially Craig Land. I hope your knee gets all better soon. -(BIONICS! Yeah!!)- Take care. 'Luv y'all! ROBOT@humboldt1.com -(PLEASE DO NOT HIT "REPLY TO"!! All Email to Humboldt Internet will remain safely on the Server until I'm on-line to retrieve....)- KRAFTWERK RULES THE UNIVERSE!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (kw) radioactivity remixes Date: 16 Aug 1997 16:39:12 +0100 Radioactivity : francis kervorkian mixes : 7 + 12" versions (7" mix only on 7" + cd + cassette, 12" mix only on 12" + cd) william orbit 7 + 12" versions (7" mix only on 7" + cassette, 12" mix only on 12" + cd) Kraftwerk version in English language and German language versions on mix LP. Also an alternative Kervorkian 7" + 'Hardcore' mixes on US versions of the 1991 single. I am unsure if remixes were completed in German language, all the mixes listed feature English language vocals. According to sources EMI in the UK have some tracks in their building but are unmixed and have DATS featuring rhythm tracks and melody tracks seperate. Also, the rumoured 4 x 12" box set does exist and comes in 12x12 box with the robot logo printed on it in white + red but does not feature a T-Shirt. - Does anybody know of any tour dates to coincide with "Tour De France" or the "Electric Cafe" album and corresponding setlists? Thanks, Mark. In message <19970816.111039.7399.0.tweibrecht@juno.com>, thomas m weibrecht writes > >can someone list all the radioactivity remixes? thanks, tom w > > ># Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? ># Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ># Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Barth" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Release New Song (small logo) Date: 17 Aug 1997 10:38:05 +0200 Hello list, In my pattern recognition effort, the small symbol looks like the "Klinklang musikfilm" logo. I found these on one of the small (A4 sized) posters, I bought in 1981 in the "official" Kraftwerk booth; the Duesseldorf Gleis 17 poster. It seems also very logical to me that it is that logo. Regards, Erik Barth >>> It's official, it's from Kraftwerk and it's the new song. At http://www.kraftwerk.com A large and excellent .avi file of the new song at Tribal Gathering. I think this must be the first official and new material from KW in 10 years! Can anyone make out what the symbol in the top left of the frame is ? I think I believe in the new album now. <<< # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) Classification Date: 17 Aug 1997 12:09:22 +0000 > What kind of music does Kraftwerk create? Around the time of TEE they defined their music as "metaliK rock, with a large K". I like this one. Jose Garcia Aktivitat Spain (Unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine) http://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/aktivitat.htm aktivitat@arrakis.es # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) Dieter Doepfer VS Florian Date: 17 Aug 1997 16:01:28 +0000 Peter was saying: >I've travelled around Germany for two week this summer and I made a stop >at Dieter Doepfer in Graefelfing. For you who don't know he's >manufacturing analog modular synthesizers and midi keyboards. I visited >his office and bought an A-100 synthesizer system and talked about >analog designs. Yes, I plan to buy some of their stuff. >He told me that Florian had been involved in the >construction of the Doepfer Vocoder and that he had visited the Kling >Klang three or four times. Yes, and Kraftwerk are also said to have been heavily involved in the design of the Doepfer MAQ 16/3 analogue MIDI sequencer. Doepfer have a webpage http://www.doepfer.com; it contains a great deal of interesting info plus some small details on Kraftwerk involvement. >Dieter is a good guy and a legendary analog synthesizer constructor! >I have plans to make a Doepfer page with some sounds and some Vocoder >demos. Shure, please do! -- /=======================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | | Influence and inspiration from : | | Jarre Vangelis Tomita Carlos Erasure Pinhas TangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.co.uk/customers/Alliance)| \=======================================================================/ The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad. -- Salvador Dali # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) MusicNonStop Date: 17 Aug 1997 22:51:27 +0100 Could anyone make a list of obviously Kraftwerk influenced artists or major k-w samples? artists: Moby (aka Voodoo Chile)-"dog heaven" from "the End of Everything"mute CD Komputer - "We Are Komputer" EP mute cd samples: Depeche mode - "World in my eyes" (remixes on 12"+CD feature sample from 'MusicNonStop') KLF - "3am Eternal" (single version features sample from 'HomeComputer') Finally, what is taking them so long to produce new material and who was the fourth member at TG'97. I reckon it's Henning Schmitz but have been informed otherwise. Mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) best of kraftwerk. Date: 17 Aug 1997 22:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Hi people. I've seen a Japanese cd listed at several of the on-line cd shops called "Best Of Kraftwerk", and its catalog info is as follows: Street Date Mar 12, 1997 Label CAPIT Catalog# TOCP-7913 Additional_Info JAPAN I was just curious to know if anyone (perhaps one of our listies over in Japan) has a track listing for this recording. Also, are the tracks in any way edited from their original LP versions? Thanks. -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Boxset & T-shirt Date: 18 Aug 1997 10:59:03 +0000 > Also, the rumoured 4 x 12" box set does exist and comes in > 12x12 box with the robot logo printed on it in white + red but does not > feature a T-Shirt. Not every box includes the T-shirt, but it does exist. According to ESPRIT mailorder only 10 of the 250 boxes include the T-shirt. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) The cancelled 1983 tour Date: 18 Aug 1997 11:04:11 +0000 > - Does anybody know of any tour dates to coincide with "Tour De > France" or the "Electric Cafe" album and corresponding setlists? There seemed to be rough plans for a 1987 tour, but there were no concrete dates announced. Regarding the cancelled 1983 tour, I know that there were some UK dates scheduled for July 1983 (four concerts in London, one in Manchester, and maybe a few other dates), but I don't have any more details. Anyone else perhaps? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) radioactivity remixes Date: 18 Aug 1997 11:07:05 +0000 >can someone list all the radioactivity remixes? thanks, tom w A (hopefully) complete list of the existing "Radioactivity" edits and remixes can be found at http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Harald.Westphal/discoeng.html Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Louwers" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk & Love Parade Date: 12 Aug 1997 10:37:58 MET Klaus Zaepke wrote: >According to issue 47 of the German freebie music magazine Groove, >Kraftwerk wanted to appear at this year's "Love Parade" in Berlin, >apparently with an open air concert at the Siegessaeule, but they were >turned down by the organizers. How peculiar. During my stay in Berlin I also went to the Love Parade. At the end of the afternoon, standing on the square surrounding the Siegessaule I was thinking how great it would have been if Kraftwerk would have performed there, to show al those people making monotonic Eurohouse, how good the real sound is. It's a shame that the organizers didn't let them do their gig. Stefan Louwers (Leiden-Nijmegen, Holland) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: Re: (kw) best of kraftwerk. Date: 18 Aug 1997 11:01:26 Hi people. I've seen a Japanese cd listed at several of the on-line cd shops called "Best Of Kraftwerk" I was just curious to know if anyone (perhaps one of our listies over in Japan) has a track listing for this recording. Also, are the tracks in any way edited from their original LP versions? Thanks. >> A Jap import with this title has been available in the UK for a while now. It's a decent collection but in no way a "best of". All the tracks were full length if I remember correctly. Cover was awfully un-Kraftwerk too. Regards Richard<< # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: Re: (kw) concert dates... Date: 18 Aug 1997 11:00:55 I was asked by Marko Schmidt if I had further concert dates, and information regarding the below listed concert dates... If you have info to add mail me or Marko (M.SCHMIDT@top.east.de). Cheers! Mats >>The list is wrong, I saw them at The Lyceum in London in '81 Regards Richard<< # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk & Love Parade Date: 18 Aug 1997 13:05:22 +0200 > It's a shame that the organizers didn't let them do their gig. No, it isn't: They would have been absolutely misplaced because there a= re no heroes or kings or whatever in the techno movement at all. And that's the nice thing about techno. regards, Joerg-Stefan "Und wenn ich auf diese Taste dr=FCck' spielt er ein kleines Musikst=FC= ck." "Jeder kann elektronische Musik machen." = # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Gray Subject: (kw) New Album Release??? Date: 18 Aug 1997 15:04:24 +0100 Does anyone have a release date for the new album yet??? EMI just give it a September release on their web-site.. P.S. anyone in the UK got a recording of the Tribal Gathering show. I only have the edited version Radio 1 broadcast. Cheers. Simon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) Grassina Date: 18 Aug 1997 16:06:46 +0000 > From: lbo > well, actually they made a surprize tour in Italy some year ago (Grassina > near Firenze) and we were all waiting for the *new* song... You mean "some year ago" or "some years ago"? It is very different! Please clarify. The last Grassina show i know of is the one in 1990 when kw were trying out the new material for The Mix (by the way, when i read comments about the mix as a re-mix album, i completely disagree. It's not remixes, but new material or new versions if you prefer, no matter it is old compositions). Jose Garcia Aktivitat Spain (Unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine) http://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/aktivitat.htm aktivitat@arrakis.es # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "303@iname.com" <303@bigfoot.com> Subject: (kw) It's more fun to remix! Date: 18 Aug 1997 17:14:10 +0200 Hi! My Artistname is Charlie Crash and I've done a quite nice remix on "It's more fun to compute!". Long and Trance-like! I have done this remix with the greatest respect for the authors. The vocals are done with an Atari 1040 - But they are VERY much like the original! If you would like to hear a little part of the song (30s) - Then mail me your add & subject and I've got an mp3 in 44.1 to mail directly! My dream (ofcoarse!) is that even KW themselves like it and maybe wanted to put it on some remixcollection or on a KW-related site...but I've probably just had one dream (read; Drink) too many :o) (C) KRAFTWERK (R) Klingklang produkt.. All rights reserved.. ...I only own the right to my interpretation of the song. I think...? To KW: You were GREAT in Lund -91. I've never ever had a better concert by ANY group, and I'm probably never going to! ///Charlie Crash 303@iname.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mars.sjoestrand@stockholm.mail.telia.com Subject: (kw) New member Date: 18 Aug 1997 19:50:27 +0200 Hello every one ! My name is M=E5ns Sj=F6strand and I am a new member on this list. I dont know my mebership on the kraftwerk mailing=20 list will be permanent or not, I be here for a mont and then we see. I start listening to kraftwerk 3 years ago the first song i heard was Autobahn(the mix version). Now i got the English or in some case even the German versions of all their album execpt R&F.=20 Wenn wellen schwingen - feherne stimmen singen... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Gray" Subject: (kw) Tour Dates?? Date: 18 Aug 1997 20:24:17 +0100 Anybody got tour dates for 1998 or 1998 in the UK??? Thanx Simon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ianjh72@ndirect.co.uk Subject: Re: (kw) MusicNonStop Date: 18 Aug 1997 21:32:07 +0000 Cc: Kraftwerk Mailing List Could anyone make a list of obviously Kraftwerk influenced artists or major k-w samples? artists: Moby (aka Voodoo Chile)-"dog heaven" from "the End of Everything"mute CD Komputer - "We Are Komputer" EP mute samples: Depeche mode - "World in my eyes" (remixes on 12"+CD feature sample from 'MusicNonStop') KLF - "3am Eternal" (single version features sample from 'HomeComputer') Finally, what is taking them so long to produce new material and who was the fourth member at TG'97. I reckon it's Henning Schmitz but have been informed otherwise. Mark Some other artists/tracks Simple Minds : "I Travel" and "Capital City" ("Autobahn" riff) both on the excellent LP "Empires & Dance" Arista 1980, CD on Virgin samples: Erasure : Blue Savannah (Der Deutsch Mixes) Mute remix 12"/CD Devo : Post Post Modern Man (remixes) Enigma US CD single if I think of any others I'll let you know. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk / Prodigy Date: 18 Aug 1997 21:10:50 GMT Hi werkers, it is well documented that Liam Howlett definitely does not want Prodigy to be associated with the old school techno crowd, and that he is not a kraftwerk fan at all. So here is the question: I was at the V97 festival this weekend, and saw Prodigy (amongst others) I've seen them about 5 times, but never heard their newer mix of the unreleased track 'Gabba' which they are now using as a set closer. I was struck dumb when over the PA came an AWESOME sample which i could only put down to KW. It took about 30secs to realise that as far as I could hear, it WAS kw! A loop of my sig 'The voice of Energy'! Has anyone else heard this track,or was anyone else there? ( for all those who weren't you missed chemical Bros. Death in Vegas, Sneaker Pimps, Propellerheads, Daft Punk, Fluke - HEAVEN!!!) ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Standefer Subject: Re: (kw) MusicNonStop Date: 18 Aug 1997 14:13:11 -0700 (PDT) 2 Live Crew (a rap group from the 80s) sampled "The Man-Machine" in a song, the title of which I cannot recall. 2LC is famous for sampling other groups. I don't think they ever wrote an original piece of music in their short (but controversial) career. The KW influenced artists list would go on and on. Roger O'Donnell (The Cure, Psychedelic Furs) admitted to listening to Kraftwerk in an interview by a local 'zine. Robert Smith (The Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees) dabbled in ambient music for awhile, and Kraftwerk can be heard there...although he hasn't mentioned it. Johnny Marr (The Smiths, Electronic, The The) was talking about old synths music that shaped "the present", and he mentioned KW, Cabaret Voltaire, and others that I've never heard of. That's about all I know. robert ---A Werker scripted: > Could anyone make a list of obviously Kraftwerk influenced artists or > major k-w samples? _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) swedish and german Date: 19 Aug 1997 00:09:01 +0200 just an OT question for the numerous swedish-scandinavian fellows out there. do you people understand german language? for instance italians and spanish understand themselves quite a lot. and you german, do you understand your northern neighbors? of course answer me privately. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com Date: 18 Aug 1997 21:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Just wanted to let everyone know that www.kraftwerk.com is back up on-line and running smoothly once again. For those who haven't seen it recently, it's now set up with a menue page containing 4 links to: 1) an advertisement for the Karlsruhe concert which will take place on October 18th. There's a link set up here for Germany's Ticketworld. 2) the luton97.avi clip containing images and sound of KW performing the new song at the Tribal Gathering. 3) the official Tour de France website with info on this year's race. 4) the "dancing robot" which ultimately links back to the ad for the Karlsruhe concert. -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) MusicNonStop Date: 18 Aug 1997 21:49:42 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 18 Aug 1997 ianjh72@ndirect.co.uk wrote: > Could anyone make a list of obviously Kraftwerk influenced artists or > major k-w samples? I'm working on one, though it's coming slowly because of lack of time. It's at: http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs/kw-refs.html Jules Seifert is also working on one, but I don't know where it is. > artists: > Moby (aka Voodoo Chile)-"dog heaven" from "the End of Everything"mute CD > Komputer - "We Are Komputer" EP mute > samples: > Depeche mode - "World in my eyes" > (remixes on 12"+CD feature sample from 'MusicNonStop') > KLF - "3am Eternal" (single version features sample from 'HomeComputer') > Some other artists/tracks > Simple Minds : "I Travel" and "Capital City" ("Autobahn" riff) both > on the excellent LP "Empires & Dance" Arista 1980, CD on Virgin > samples: > Erasure : Blue Savannah (Der Deutsch Mixes) Mute remix 12"/CD > Devo : Post Post Modern Man (remixes) Enigma US CD single > if I think of any others I'll let you know. Great! Thanks for the info. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: (kw) Robot Music Video in QuickTime is here! Date: 19 Aug 1997 00:17:56 PDT Hello, Sorry for the waist of bandwidth, but I fixed the problems with the Robots music video. It is broken into 1.4 meg segments in .zip format, and is playable on Windown 3.1/'95 and Macintosh computer (and this time I tested it!) Worked perfectly on my Mac and my Win3.1 system. You can find the video on my Kraftwerk page: http://www.dragonfire.net/~petenet/kraftwerk ---- Peter Liethen pliethen@globaldialog.com http://www.dragonfire.net/~petenet ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gustav Holmberg" Subject: Re: (kw) It's more fun to remix! Date: 19 Aug 1997 07:29:18 +0000 > > To KW: You were GREAT in Lund -91. I've never ever had a better concert by > ANY group, and I'm probably never going to! I was there, and it was the best concert I've ever been to. One of the members stood just a couple of meters away after having left the stage during the Robots. Very few people in the audience seemed to notice that the members of Kraftwerk were among them. It seems they've done that since early on. /Gustav Gustav Holmberg, Graduate student, History of Science and Ideas, Lund University, Sweden Gustav.Holmberg@fil.lu.se http://www.df.lth.se/~wilt/ilh/staff/gustav/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kaoru CHIDA Subject: (kw) Happy Birthday, Ralf! Date: 20 Aug 1997 00:01:00 +0900 Hi, Today is Ralf Huetter's birthday. He has become 51 years old. Happy birthday, Ralf!! :) With Love xxx KaoRu *** Kaoru CHIDA-Fujishima *** *** Greetings from the Far East xxx *** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Happy Birthday, Ralf! Date: 19 Aug 1997 13:07:36 -0400 (EDT) >Hi, >Today is Ralf Huetter's birthday. He has become 51 years old. >Happy birthday, Ralf!! :) Ah yes, in Japan it is already August 20th! Here in New York I still have half a day to go until I begin celebrating Ralf's 51st birthday, and I imagine Ralf will also be celebrating the occasion tomorrow. I sincerely hope Ralf's birthday wish is to tour the U.S. again. hehe lots of luck, I know. :-) In any event, HAPPY BIRTHDAY RALF! -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Wir sind Schaufensterpuppen..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re (kw) Robot Music Video in QuickTime is here! Date: 19 Aug 1997 22:56:00 +0100 But where is "here" ? I got the FILE NOT FOUND message when trying to download the stuff. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com graphic Date: 20 Aug 1997 01:13:14 +0200 first, thanks a lot to all the many ones that wrote me about the similarities between german and scandinavian languages! bottom line is: they have something in common but much less than one could think... :-) ----------- there is something maybe not everybody noticed about the images on www.kraftwerk.com: they are all .gif pictures displayed much larger than they actually are. this way it's easier to give the large low-res effect of the Kraftwerk logo: just write it in MSSansSerif and enlarge it a lot... the Strahlende Antenna also is quite enlarged. you can try to save them to disk and to look at them with a bitmap program or charging them again on a browser to see what they are like normally. the effect is done using this html code: where width and height are given in pixels. this is a Netscape extension now widely supported by any browser. it's real use is to speed the operations letting the browser know how large is the image and how much space it should draw around thext to show the image without having to actually read it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Happy Birthday, Ralf! Date: 20 Aug 1997 01:13:24 +0200 >Today is Ralf Huetter's birthday. He has become 51 years old. and still looking cool with fluo techno glasses! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "303@iname.com" <303@bigfoot.com> Subject: (kw) It's more fun to be on the net! Date: 20 Aug 1997 17:08:56 +0200 ®0|áÑð †b­ 303@iname.com T‡é Ù|†¡màtë Ðâñçêmª©h¡ñË™ Hi! This time I'm looking for somebody who would want to host my remix on their site, 'cos I haven't got one myself. You will get the whole thing in mp3 22khz/24kbps mono (that's 07:27min in 1.3 meg) by mail. The short 44.1 version is also available. I will perform a testdrive on all mailadds, so that I don't get 1.3 meg back up in my a...box :) ......by the way... I still got the 37sek version in mp3 44.1 stereo 523k, to mail directly to all who wants it. It's a sort of highlights copy/paiste version of the long one in a much better quality. Kraftwerk It's more fun to compute - C.Crash Remix (C) KRAFTWERK (P) Kling Klang Produkt. All Rights Reserved. I only own the right to my interpretation of the song. I think...? If someone has other valid copyright info - Mail it! So...Why am I doing this? -Well just because I think that the original song have such an exiting ambience around it. It's really feels like it is computers, and not humans, performing. As I'm a big fan of the complicated world of computers I just simply couldn't resist making this remix. Hope you like it! ///Charlie Crash 303@iname.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Whew! Date: 20 Aug 1997 00:18:18 -0400 For some reason, I was unsubscribed from the list. Well, it's glad to be back. If possible, can someone tell me what's been discussed here for the last 4 days? Don't tell me to "go look at the archives" because I have no web access whatsoever. Thanks in advance. If your responses are too long or too off-topic, please e-mail me privately. Thanks again. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Subject: Re: (kw) 22.03.1975 Köln "Satorysäle" Deutschland Date: 20 Aug 1997 22:24:59 +0200 This consert in Cologne '75 has another interesting track performed live, Ruckzuck. This track is from th 1970 LP "Kraftwerk" and the live version is 9.30 minutes, almost 2 minutes longer than the LP track. I like this one and I think it's one of the best tracks from the early days of Kraftwerk. Available to listen to while downloading (you'll find it in the cache files) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880/ruckzuck.ram Available for download at: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5193/ruckzuck.ra You'll need http://www.realaudio.com to listen to the files. I'm in desperate need for some more web space, any suggestions? Peter Kraftwerk, The Early Days '68 - '73 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880 (I'm working on an update together with a well known member on this list) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Some questions about bootleg LP's Date: 20 Aug 1997 22:32:20 +0000 > I have spotted the following Kraftwerk bootleg LP's on a saleslist, > and I would like to ask if anyone has any more information about these > items (track listing, artwork, etc.): > > a) "Live Frankfurt 81" (mispressing) > b) "Muenster 84" > c) "Live in France / Metropolis" (1 from 100 pieces) I have been told that all three are actually permutations of the "Machine" bootleg LP, only with different (misleading) covers and labels. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Yamo News Date: 20 Aug 1997 22:32:20 +0000 Wolfgang Fluer's appearance at the KLEMdag in Nijmegen won't be a biographic lecture, as it was originally announced. What it actually will be is not yet confirmed, but it seems that he is going to appear under the name of Yamo, and not as Wolfgang Fluer. It seems that it will be his only public appearance in Europe this year. The next Yamo single, "Guiding Ray", is now scheduled for September 1st - and this time it should appear even outside Hungary! ;-) Except for the standard release (radio edit, remix & album version), there are also plans for a limited 12" promo single release (tracklisting: two versions of "Guiding Ray" plus (re-?)mixes of "Stereomatic", "Dr. UG.LY", "Mosquito" and "Naked Japanese"). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) 22.03.1975 =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6ln?= Date: 21 Aug 1997 03:10:42 +0200 >I'm in desperate need for some more web space, any suggestions? try to obtain free or very cheap email and ask geocities another page. try to ask to all your friend who have an email address but who surely will not set up a page if they "lend" you their address to obtain another page, or tell them that if you make 50/50 with the space you'll set up a nice page for them. go to yahoo and search around in their categories for free space. I remember there was one, maybe under Computer-Internet and so on. try also www.tripod.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Ralfs Geburtstag!! Date: 20 Aug 1997 19:48:04 -0700 Alles gute zum Geburtstag, Ralf! Fellow Listoids REJOICE!! KranK it UP!! YEAH!! I got back On-Line JUST in the nick of time! Jeez- I missed out on a LOT of good discussions! -(Thanks again to HAS BEANS for the use of their Computer so I could scan the Archives a bit! And thanks to Lazlo for posting my 2 messages- I had no other way to make KontaKt with anybuddy.)- Rats, I didn't get a chance to respond to brilliant statements like: "....expensive KRAFTWERK Fan masturbation." -!!!!- *QQ* ROBOBUGEYES Say WHA-A-ATT?!! uh-uh. no comment.*nYRk*. -(Um-m, nevermind my KW posters on the ceiling.*AHEM*. shaddap.)- Oh, yes- EXcellent Konzert report, JBV! Ah, sweet memories....*sigh*.... I should be so lucky! *hee-hee* I'm BA-A-A-ACK!! Lock up your SYNTHESIZERS & STEREOS- the 'BOT is LOOSE! sorry. I've been Off-Line too long. 646 Emails.... I'm all bleary-eyed. OOH-OHH-OOH!! 'Almost forgot- The NEW changes to kraftwerk.com are AWESOME!! Yo, Craig- how's the bionic knee? Take it easy, 'kay? Gute besserung! -(That goes for ALL o'yez! A lot of folks are under the weather, off-line, etc- not to mention sch**l is starting up again. Not me. Been there, done that. Good LUCK, studs- er, students!)- See y'all in the CHAT ROOM! Best wishes to Ralf on his 51st anniversary of manufacture!*KuS-KuS*! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Organisation albums. Date: 21 Aug 1997 10:36:10 -0400 I was just checking out Select Magazine article on-line about KW at: http://www.erack.com/select/_HEADLINERS/_KRAFTWERK/kraftwerkfront.htm It says, "In 1970 the boys formed Organization and released two albums before the band collapsed." Two albums? Is this just an error or was there another Organisation album aside from 'Tone Float'? I do one KW discography containing an Organisation album following 'Tone Float' listed simply as 'Var' (1972), but obviously they were well into doing Kraftwerk by that time. Anyone clarify? -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Wir fahr'n auf der Autobahn..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lars Bull Subject: (kw) Not on vacation any more Date: 21 Aug 1997 18:32:07 +0200 I'm back now and there's 508 mails to read (sigh!). So far I have read a lot about the meeting being planned for Karlsruhe. I think this is a great initiative! I will try to see the Karlsruhe gig if I can get free from work that weekend. I would also like to express my thanks to everyone involved in making the Olympic CD (Nexus, Gunnar and everyone else). I got it this monday and the quality was excellent! In response to jbv's investigations on the INA-tapes: I don't know what kind of operation INA runs but as you stated; money rules. As we on the list probably can't handle, financially, a release of those tapes, maybe a TV or radio-station can? If everyone on this list mailed, say BBC, repeatedly what we would like to see and where they can get it they might feed it to us? The important factor here is to get our things together before this operation starts. Does anyone have any contacts with a radio or TV station? Maybe a station with a retro style or a local station with limited budgets (who can't afford live concerts with U2 but still wants to stay hip)? Can someone write a convincing letter stating exact facts and benefits? When the shows hits the airwaves everyone within range records it and someone transfers it to CD-ROM, VHS tapes, DVD or whatever. Then we can distribute them within this list like with the Olympic CD (minus the cash deficit). If someone has already proposed something like this, then trash this mail because that's what I'm going to do with every mail I get stating that I am a repeater. Glad to be back! Lars Bull "No RISC - No Fun" MacForum Foreningsgatan 31 411 27 Goteborg Sweden E-Mail: lars.bull@macforum.se WWW: www.macforum.se Fax: +46 31 721 31 01 Telephone: +46 31 721 31 00 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Not on vacation any more Date: 21 Aug 1997 12:45:22 -0400 >I would also like to express my thanks to everyone involved in making the >Olympic CD (Nexus, Gunnar and everyone else). I got it this monday and the >quality was excellent! I just wanted to second that sentiment and send my thanks to Nexus and Gunnar for putting the CD together and a job well done. Wonderful product, boys, worth the wait! :-) -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F. G." Subject: (kw) Stockhausen's Birthday Date: 21 Aug 1997 18:51:52 +0200 Hey just read in the paper that Stockhausen makes 69 tomorrow. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) INA material Date: 21 Aug 1997 19:41:39 +0100 Lars Bull wrote : >In response to jbv's investigations on the INA-tapes: >I don't know what kind of operation INA runs but as you stated; money >rules. As we on the list probably can't handle, financially, a release >of >those tapes, maybe a TV or radio-station can? If everyone on this list >mailed, say BBC, repeatedly what we would like to see and where they can >get it they might feed it to us? The important factor here is to get our >things together before this operation starts. Does anyone have any contacts >with a radio or TV station? Maybe a station with a retro style or a local >station with limited budgets (who can't afford live concerts with U2 but >still wants to stay hip)? Can someone write a convincing letter stating >exact facts and benefits? When the shows hits the airwaves everyone within >range records it and someone transfers it to CD-ROM, VHS tapes, DVD or >whatever. Then we can distribute them within this list like with the >Olympic CD (minus the cash deficit). Well, I'm glad someone reacted to the idea. Actually, it's the first reaction I get since I posted the idea. I'm still planing to visit INA in early october and check all the material they have. Of course, when it goes beyond my own personal pleasure to view the videos, things are not as straightforward as putting together a home-made bootleg CD. As i wrote some weeks ago, the first important things to check are the technical & musical quality of the recordings, and if INA owns ALL the rights associated with them. I can't imagine myself running after the producers of some TV show from 25 years ago, or negociating with KW management (if any) for a permission of releasing the material. Distributing the material through this list is a nice idea, but I'm afraid we should target a bigger audience just to recoup the initial fees INA will ask for. We're talking about big bizness, INA being used to deal with national TV networks or major record companies. As i said before, INA was created in 1974 to be a reliable archive of all the programs played on french national TV / radio network, and therefore lives on public funds. I personally think that their commercial approach (at least for individuals) sucks, but there's nothing I can do about it, since I'm not prime minister (yet). I still have no idea of how many KW fans would be interested in such material, what is the best medium to distribute it, and which form it should take. If we're thinking of putting together a kind of documentary, we'll end up with astronomical costs that go far beyond the happy / amateuristic atmosphere of this list. So, if anyone has a great idea, please post it and let's discuss it. Otherwise, I'll spend one nice day in INA listening booth, and might post a short review about what I saw / heard, and basta! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Nexus CD Date: 21 Aug 1997 19:42:07 +0100 Scott M. Barnhill wrote : >I would also like to express my thanks to everyone involved in making the >Olympic CD (Nexus, Gunnar and everyone else). I got it this monday and the >quality was excellent! At first, I was really interested in that CD, but the whole discussion around money pissed me off and I gave up. I wonder if it's still time to get a copy... Of course, i've lost Nexus adress. If anything is still possible, please someone email me privately. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Quite off-topic, but... Date: 21 Aug 1997 19:42:39 +0100 ...nowhere else to ask the question : Does anyone know which artist released a song / piece named : I can see the future (and it sucks) I think i came across it within the last 2 or 3 years but can't remember where. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: SV: (kw) Nexus CD Date: 21 Aug 1997 20:02:03 +-200 -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: jbv=20 Skickat: den 21 augusti 1997 20:42 Till: kraftwerk@xmission.com =C4mne: (kw) Nexus CD JBV wrote: =20 > At first, I was really interested in that CD, but the whole > discussion around money pissed me off and I gave up. >=20 > I wonder if it's still time to get a copy... Of course, i've lost > Nexus adress. >=20 > If anything is still possible, please someone email me privately. Hi Werkers! I totally agree with jbv, so could someone please email me too? Uffe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "303@iname.com" <303@bigfoot.com> Subject: (kw) Tour de France? Date: 21 Aug 1997 20:49:46 +0200 ®0|áÑð †b­ 303@iname.com T‡é Ù|†¡màtë Ðâñçêmª©h¡ñË™ I'm wondering if anybody got the "Tour de France" on 7" or 12" in fine shape? And if that someone would be able to mp3 (128kbps) the primary single-mix to me? I would be very thrilled :-D It's really a shame that KW don't wanna release it on CD - I can't really see the point not to! By the way - I found a remix on TdF on some page. It wasn't THAT good but it's ok. 6meg! Happy Sampling ///Charlie Crash # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Trivia Date: 21 Aug 1997 22:37:39 +0000 Kraftwerk have apparently attended the Popkomm music fair in Koeln, if we can believe this message from alt.collecting.autographs: > In Cologne, Germany, was a Four-Day-Music fair combined with a huge > festival with 2500 (!) artists playing on several stages. [...] > I was unlucky or there absolutely was no chance to get autographs, although > I saw them: [...] > Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lars Bull Subject: Re: (kw) INA material Date: 22 Aug 1997 09:24:06 +0200 >I'm still planing to visit INA in early october and check all the >material they have. Great, keep us posted. >Of course, when it goes beyond my own personal pleasure to view the >videos, things are not as straightforward as putting together a >home-made bootleg CD. >As i wrote some weeks ago, the first important things to check are >the technical & musical quality of the recordings, and if INA owns >ALL the rights associated with them. I can't imagine myself running >after the producers of some TV show from 25 years ago, or negociating >with KW management (if any) for a permission of releasing the material. I know it's a tough one but if you find that the material is worth the trouble I hope everyone on this list ayt list can sign a petition. I am not suggesting that you should do all the work, neither have I got any idea what I should do about it myself. I'm all ears! >Distributing the material through this list is a nice idea, but I'm >afraid we should target a bigger audience just to recoup the initial >fees INA will ask for. We're talking about big bizness, INA being used >to deal with national TV networks or major record companies. Yeah, "The Kraftwerk Mailing-List Conglomerate Emporium Inc, I like it! Honestly, I was only trying to find a way for getting someone else to pay for our interest in Kraftwerk. May be it's naive but as I said; i don't know how radio or TV stations operate but there's a lot of reruns on the box. If the only way to get these tapes, if they're good, is to bribe our way onward or strike a deal with them it's OK. As long as the price is fair and enough people wants to pay. Guess we'll have to wait and see exactly what the price is. >I still have no idea of how many KW fans would be interested in such >material, what is the best medium to distribute it, and which form it >should take. If we're thinking of putting together a kind of >documentary, >we'll end up with astronomical costs that go far beyond the happy / >amateuristic atmosphere of this list. Personally I'm interested in keeping the material in it's most original status, to be seen as a sign of it's times. If someone wants to make something more of it, fine, pay up! >So, if anyone has a great idea, please post it and let's discuss it. >Otherwise, I'll spend one nice day in INA listening booth, and might >post a short review about what I saw / heard, and basta! Well if your review will be anything like the ones you posted earlier we're in for a treat! If you need any help with getting the tapes out of INA let me know what I can do. Take care Lars Bull "No RISC - No Fun" MacForum Foreningsgatan 31 411 27 Goteborg Sweden E-Mail: lars.bull@macforum.se WWW: www.macforum.se Fax: +46 31 721 31 01 Telephone: +46 31 721 31 00 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: blanks@super.win.or.jp (BLANKS) Subject: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Date: 23 Aug 1997 00:08:49 +0900 Hi all. As far as you know there are various versions about "Pocket Calculator". -Taschenrechner Ich bin der Musikant mit Taschenrechner in der Hand Je fait le compte Et le decompte Je compose Et decompose -Mini Calculateur Je suis l'operateur du mini calculateur Je fait le compte Et le decompte Je compose Et decompose -Dentaku Boku wa ongaku-ka dentaku katate ni Tashi tari Hii tari Sosa shite sakkyoku suru Kono botan oseba ongaku kanaderu Does anyone let me know the words of a song in Spanis and Italian? and if really more available..? If is this a mere FAQ, i'm so sorry, but please give me a hint about related URL or FTP? best wishes from Tokyo Japan Sakura UNE PLACE SUR LA TERRE COMME AU CIEL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: blanks@super.win.or.jp (BLANKS) Subject: Re: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Date: 23 Aug 1997 00:18:56 +0900 Oh my God! i have a bad mistake about Germany..on my last post. so sorry. :-( -Taschenrechner Ich bin der Musikant mit Taschenrechner in der Hand Ich addiere Und subtrahiere Kontrolliere Und Komponiere Und wenn ich diese Taste druck Spielt er ein kleines Musikstueck is this correct? best wishes from Tokyo Japan Sakura UNE PLACE SUR LA TERRE COMME AU CIEL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: blanks@super.win.or.jp (BLANKS) Subject: Re: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Date: 23 Aug 1997 00:21:35 +0900 At 5:17 PM 97.8.22 +0200, Timour JGENTI wrote: >I believe there's no french lyrics in german version :) Yes,i knew. :-) many thanks. from Tokyo Japan. UNE PLACE SUR LA TERRE COMME AU CIEL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "End of Violence" soundtrack Date: 22 Aug 1997 18:48:59 +0000 I've heard that the US release of the "End of Violence" soundtrack - which is supposed to contain a new Kraftwerk track - is scheduled for September 26th. Are there any more details about this release known (record label, exact tracklisting, European release dates etc.)? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Michael Rother Live Date: 22 Aug 1997 18:48:58 +0000 Michael Rother will appear live at the "Battery Park" festival in Koeln (29.09.-05.10.1997). More infos at http://www.keyboards.de/battery-park Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Wrestling theme?? Date: 22 Aug 1997 18:48:59 +0000 The following appeared on rec.sport.pro-wrestling recently: > > Anyone know the name and artist of the song which plays when Alex > > Wright enters the ring? > > I think the title is "Alex Wright theme" > It was a collaborative effort between WCW's resident theme song > writer, Jimmy Hart, and German pioneering ectro-dance band Kraftwerk. Is this really true??? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Date: 22 Aug 1997 19:30:34 +0000 > As far as you know there are various versions about "Pocket Calculator". > -Taschenrechner > -Mini Calculateur > -Dentaku > Does anyone let me know the words of a song in Spanish A Spanish studio version does not exist, but Huetter used to sing the first verse in Spanish during their concerts in Spain. (How about a transcription, Jose? ;-) ) > and Italian? The Italian lyrics were posted to this list a while back. I quote: > From: lbo > Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 03:20:53 +0100 > Subject: Re: (kw) Lyrics to "Minicalcolatore" > > sono l'operatore del minicalcolatore > sono l'operatore del minicalcolatore > > io aggiungo > io sottraggo > io programmo > io compongo > > sono l'operatore del minicalcolatore > sono l'operatore del minicalcolatore > > se premo un bottone lui suona una canzone > and if really more available..? Yes, the English version. ;-) Other studio versions don't seem to exist, but Huetter sung parts of the song in Dutch during the Utrecht 1991 concert. (Any Dutchmen here who can help with a transcription?) Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) covers Date: 23 Aug 1997 03:07:53 +0100 I just saw U2 at London's Wembley Stadium where they performed an acoustic version of "Neon Lights"... Bono serenaded a video screen singing the song as The Edge (stupid name I admit) played an acoustic guitar. Nobody seemed to know the track at all, except me. Most people thought he was ad-libbing. Anyway, I thought you'd like to know. -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) INA material (part 129) Date: 23 Aug 1997 12:25:59 +0100 Hi industrial folks ! Since I received a few private mails regarding the possible distribution of KW material from INA, I'd like to give a few more details to help the discussion. Early next week, I'm gonna fax my request to the INA person in charge of the data base. I'll fax a list of possible appearances of KW both on french TV & radio national networks during the 70s and 80s. Of course, this will include video taped shows, audio recordings of gigs, interviews, etc. 10 - 12 days later, they should return the list of what's available, and in which format (images shot prior to the mid-70s are not always video, it can be film also, and in various formats). As for copyrights, if INA holds all the rights, negociations will be easier. I'd like to point out that the price should be in the range of 3 to 4 figures (in US $), according to my estimations. If they don't hold all the rights, they can run negociations on behalf of the TV / radio producers. BUT this would solve only one half of the equation, since the authorization of the artists will be required too. If anyone on this list is closed friend with R&F, please advice. BTW, someone recently suggested that R&F could be members of this list, and I personally think so - or at least someone from the EMI marketing division is a list member. So why not ask them directly through this list : Hey Ralf, I'm talking to you - I'm talking to you ! ;-) I'm one of your oldest fans. So you owe me some consideration. What about a reissue of your earlier live material, just to remember the time when I was young and beautiful (and clueless) ? I hope it's clear to everyone that I reject the idea of any bootleg. A limited edition of that material on a medium that can hold both audio and video looks like a good idea at first glance (and DVD looks like the right thing for it), providing that the sales could at least recoup the money. But I'm sure that for each official copy sold, there will be 10 bootlegs. Didn't anybody mention here (in a previous discussion about DVD and other new digital discs) that DVD would be software locked ? Of course, most pirates are good hackers and the protection wouldn't resist very long I guess. Frankly, if even people like U2 make live covers of KW songs, I can feel some heavy KW revival within the next 6 months. I don't know how long it would last, but if this project is run perfectly in time, it could recoup the money. Or perhaps someone is already at INA headquaters checking the recordings. Well, I shouldn't discuss such ideas in public like that... Obviously, I'm still clueless ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Humphrey" Subject: Re: (kw) covers Date: 23 Aug 1997 12:24:54 -0000 > From: Mark Reed > I just saw U2 at London's Wembley Stadium where they performed an > acoustic version of "Neon Lights"... Bono serenaded a video screen > singing the song as The Edge (stupid name I admit) played an acoustic > guitar. > > Nobody seemed to know the track at all, except me. Most people thought > he was ad-libbing. Wrong! I was there too. He only sung a couple of lines though. It' would have been funny if they did the whole thing ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) P. S.: Michael Rother Live Date: 23 Aug 1997 14:35:00 +0000 Yesterday I wrote: > Michael Rother will appear live at the "Battery Park" festival in > Koeln (29.09.-05.10.1997). This was inaccurate in the way that Rother's performance doesn't seem to be 100 % confirmed yet. Sorry, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe advert / Musik Zeitlos Date: 23 Aug 1997 09:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Just a question out of curiosity. If Kraftwerk is playing in Linz on the 16th of October, and in Karlsruhe just 2 days later on the 18th, why is there only an advertisement for the Karlsruhe concert on their website and not the Linz one? Since they perform live so infrequently these days, one would expect to find every show advertised that's coming up. Perhaps the show in Linz is going to be much lower-scale with regard to the venue itself and the promotion. Any ideas? By the way, if Ralf & Florian *are* out here somewhere reading these posts, hello to the two of you and thanks so much for the legendary and timeless music you've given us. Please come back to the USA someday so this Kraftwerk fanatic can experience his favorite band performing live even if just once in his lifetime!! :-) *Auf Wiedersehen* -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe advert / Musik Zeitlos Date: 23 Aug 1997 15:17:27 +0100 Hello there. In response to questions: No, I did not record the wembley show, but I will be surprised if there are not tapes of it somewhere, or at the very least, of one U2 show which features the track. Kraftwerk are not beyond playing 'secret shows' and did two UK dates in 1992 as warm ups for the U2 support show. Each show was only advertised at the venue and by word of mouth and were far from sold out (the leicester show was attended by about 800 people and was far from sold out). It would not surprise if they were doing the same again, esp in the light of the new material and a resurgence of interest in the group. Finally, whilst many people may know this, NewOrder recorded a song called KW1 (short for Kraftwerk#1) in 1983 that was released as "Your Silent Face". Well worth listening to. No other news. Mark. In message <199708231320.JAA16970@smtp1.erols.com>, "Scott M. Barnhill" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: Re: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Date: 23 Aug 1997 17:09:17 +0000 > > Does anyone let me know the words of a song in Spanis and Italian? > and if really more available..? > > Hi Sakura and all the rest, I never heard a Spanish version of this song, but here you have the exact translation, anyway it doesn't sound too much musical ;) ------- Soy el operador con mi calculadora portatil Estoy sumando y restando Controlando y componiendo . . . Y pulsando una tecla especial toca la melodia seleccionada ------- cya ! -Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) KW1 / #Kraftwerk Date: 23 Aug 1997 11:50:31 -0400 (EDT) >Finally, whilst many people may know this, NewOrder recorded a song >called KW1 (short for Kraftwerk#1) in 1983 that was released as "Your >Silent Face". Well worth listening to. Mark and I were discussing this last night on #Kraftwerk. It's been mentioned on the list some time ago in past digests, but let me just add this info for those of you that haven't heard it yet. The song, originally titled "KW1", can be found on NewOrder's 1983 LP entitled 'Power, Corruption, and Lies'. As Mark mentioned, the title of it was changed to "Your Silent Face" for the release of the LP. (Incidentally, this LP is the same one which contains the NewOrder classic "Blue Monday") "Your Silent Face" sounds particularly KW-esque in that its structure is made up of the same synth arpeggios with heavy delay on them as can be found on "Franz Schubert" and "Europe Endless". It would seem to me that NewOrder was influenced by the 'Trans-Europe Express' album in particular when writing this song. By the way, let me just take a brief moment to thank everyone for making our #Kraftwerk channel on DALnet such a busy place lately. Thanks go out to Julze, Werk, RobertK, ROBOT, Ongaku, FANetically, Chemicals, CERb, DataGirl, DataBoy, FATboot, etc. You all know who you are. :-) -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Das Leben ist Zeitlos..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F. G." Subject: RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Date: 23 Aug 1997 17:40:47 +0200 > Soy el operador con mi calculadora portatil I think I've read somewhere they sang "Soy el operador de mi pequeño calculador" instead. > Y pulsando una tecla especial > toca la melodia seleccionada Plus, the translation for that would be Pulsando una tecla especial Toca una pequeña melodia # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Date: 23 Aug 1997 12:02:50 -0400 (EDT) >I never heard a Spanish version of this song, but here you have the >exact translation, anyway it doesn't sound too much musical ;) > >------- > >Soy el operador con mi calculadora portatil On one of the discographies, the version of "Pocket Calculator" released in Spain (although just the English-language recording) lists the song as "Calculadora de Bolsillo". So would it more accurately be "calculadora de bolsillo" or "calculadora portatil"? -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "Ich bin der Musikant..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Date: 23 Aug 1997 18:03:03 +0200 At 17:09 1997-08-23 +0000, Jose Gonzalez wrote: > >Soy el operador con mi calculadora portatil > Do we need a swedish translation? Jag =E4r musikanten med minir=E4knare i handen Jag adderar och subtraherar Jag kontrollerar och komponerar . . . Och n=E4r jag en viss tangent tryckt Spelar den ett kort musikstycke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe advert / Musik Zeitlos Date: 23 Aug 1997 18:03:36 +0200 (MEST) Scott, On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > > Just a question out of curiosity. If Kraftwerk is playing in Linz > on the 16th of October, and in Karlsruhe just 2 days later on the 18th, why > is there only an advertisement for the Karlsruhe concert on their website > and not the Linz one? Since they perform live so infrequently these days, > one would expect to find every show advertised that's coming up. Perhaps > the show in Linz is going to be much lower-scale with regard to the venue > itself and the promotion. Any ideas? I asked this Andreas Kuchartz a few hours ago, I will keep you in touch with his statements... The Posthof is well known for tour-preparing, The The for example did their tour-preparing in Linz for one week, because of the high technical and accoustical standards there... GOD! If KW will do the same.......... This will be heaven on earth.......... Greetings from Austria zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) "Transmission beam" Instrument Date: 23 Aug 1997 10:59:56 -0700 Hi, y'all! Once again, our boys are decades ahead of the pack! Check this out- I saw a show late last night on "Discovery" -(a US cable channel)- with a segment about a musical instrument called a "Transmission Beam". It's basically a conical beam of infrared light projected from a "box", and it's played sort of like a Theremin- you wave your hand around in front of it to produce tones. Very SYNTHY! Well, according to a KW Article/Interview I'd read in the late 70's -I can't find it off hand, but- not only did they connect themselves and their clothing to their sound equipment for interesting effects -(and to have a symbiotic relationship with the machines)-, they also had the fantastic idea of rigging up a series of light beams on stage, and having dancers break the beams of light and make MusiK with their body-movements. Neat, huh? They had considered doing the dancing themselves, but, they thought it would be better to collaborate with a Ballet troupe or some other professional dancers. Unfortunately, nothing was ever done with this brilliant idea- although dance groups have used KW's MusiK, ofcourse. On another TV note: While I was Off-Line and couldn't TELL everybody -(*ARGH*)-, they played ROBOTS on AMP again. They've also been running that same old Rock & Roll documentary series on PBS these past few weeks. So, I caught the AUTOBAHN Sound Check footage. -(Get a load of K&W's home made percussion pads! 'Looks like a couple of barbeque grills with tinfoil pancakes cooking on top- and BOY, can They COOK!)- It was mixed in with Afrika Bambaata talking about how KW influenced him- "Who's these funky white boys over in Germany with this futuristic sound?". It's in the 10th -(I think)- and final 1-hour episode subtitled "The Perfect Beat", talking about Rap & TECHNO, etc. I wish I could've alerted everyone.*sigh*. -(The Computer picked the WORST time to take a system dump on me!)- Anyway, they replay this series on PBS quite often. Catch it if you can! Note: there is another similar Rock & Roll Hall of Fame series- it's easy to confuse them for each other and I always get the titles mixed up, but, the right series is the one with the flaming guitar flying up in the air at the opening of each show. -(Yeah, KooL! BURN that Git-Fiddle! Just don't set my KORG on fire!)- Video compilations, anyone? I'm WERKing on it.... Oh- I finally ran into that dude who promised to build me a Silk-Screen frame, and he still hasn't done it yet. Jeez- I can't win for losin'. Believe me, I really am TRYing to get my K-shirts done. "Patience my @$$...." ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Re: "Transmission beam" Instrument Date: 23 Aug 1997 20:06:47 +0100 ROBOT wrote : >Once again, our boys are decades ahead of the pack! Mmmmh... Not really. In the late 60s, some french composer of musique concrete (Pierre Henry I think) made a few live shows with a giant electronic screen sensitive to movements made at a certain distance. The screen was connected to a set of various sound generators / effects, and some dancers (probably Bejart's students) where invited to improvise in front of the screen in order to trigger and develop various sound structures. > Unfortunately, nothing >was ever done with this brilliant idea- yeah, that's the problem. They always seems more attracted by ideas than by actually making these ideas come true. For about 10 years, they seem very attracted by the idea of releasing an album of new material... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Humphrey" Subject: Re: (kw) KW1 / #Kraftwerk Date: 23 Aug 1997 19:52:52 -0000 ---------- > From: Scott M. Barnhill >The song, originally titled "KW1", can be found on NewOrder's 1983 LP entitled 'Power, > Corruption, and Lies'. As Mark mentioned, the title of it was changed to > "Your Silent Face" for the release of the LP. (Incidentally, this LP is the > same one which contains the NewOrder classic "Blue Monday") Blue Monday does not appear on Power Corruption And Lies. But the track 586 (nothing to do with Pentiums as far as I'm aware) sounds very, very similar. ie the all the same notes, but played in a slightly different order ;-) Incidentally I believe that the full version of 586 is about to be mass released for the first time. It was commissioned for the opening of the Hacienda club, but only a shortened version appears on PC&L. Well I think its 586 but I might be wrong!! It has to be said that Your Silent Face is one of my favorite New Order tacks. Sends shivers down my spine. And it has the great line "You've caught me at a bad time. So why don't you piss off". You can't get much better than that :-) Anyway this not the New Order mailing list so I'll shut up. Cheers Mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) KW1 / #Kraftwerk Date: 23 Aug 1997 15:07:13 -0400 (EDT) >> same one which contains the NewOrder classic "Blue Monday") >Blue Monday does not appear on Power Corruption And Lies. But the track 586 Actually, "Blue Monday" DOES appear on 'Power, Corruption, and Lies' here in America (Qwest 9 25308-2). I also had the UK Factory version of the album at one point, which does not contain the track. However, the album was released on Qwest records here in the USA and the LP contains "Blue Monday" as track #5, right before "Your Silent Face" incidentally. :-) Ok, back to Kraftwerk. -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "..and at the fall of night, this city's made of light." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Humphrey" Subject: Re: (kw) KW1 / #Kraftwerk Date: 23 Aug 1997 20:04:46 -0000 > From: Scott M. Barnhill > > >Blue Monday does not appear on Power Corruption And Lies. But the track 586 > > Actually, "Blue Monday" DOES appear on 'Power, Corruption, and Lies' > here in America (Qwest 9 25308-2). Well hush my mouth :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) "Transmission beam" Instrument Date: 23 Aug 1997 19:32:06 GMT "ROBOT" wrote: >Unfortunately, nothing >was ever done with this brilliant idea- although dance groups have used >KW's MusiK, ofcourse. Doesn't Jarre use beams of light to play sounds? haha. I always knew he was a phoney!!! ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Re: "Transmission beam" Instrument Date: 23 Aug 1997 19:32:01 GMT jbv wrote: >For about 10 years, they seem very attracted by the idea of releasing >an album of new material... hehe. and touring the world.......... ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Date: 23 Aug 1997 21:38:07 +0000 > > > Soy el operador con mi calculadora portatil > > I think I've read somewhere they sang > "Soy el operador de mi peque=F1o calculador" instead. > > > > Y pulsando una tecla especial > > toca la melodia seleccionada > > Plus, the translation for that would be > > Pulsando una tecla especial > Toca una peque=F1a melodia > Well, i've translated what i've heard in the song, can someone write the EXACT text in english? what i understood is this: ------- I'm the operator with my pocket calculator I'm adding and substracting I'm controlling and composing and pressing down a special key it plays a selected melody --------- And about "calculadora de bolsillo" or "calculadora portatil" is the same though the first option is the exact translation. I thought that second option was shorter... The same happens with Italian, i think that "minicalcolatore" sounds like "mini calculator". # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: (kw) Re: "Transmission beam" Instrument Date: 23 Aug 1997 20:35:45 +0100 Hi all, hi Robot, ROBOT wrote: > ...a musical instrument called a "Transmission Beam". It's basically a > conical beam of infrared light projected from a "box", and it's played > sort of like a Theremin- you wave your hand around in front of it to > produce tones. Very SYNTHY! Well, it is as "synthy" as the sound generator modules allow... The light (or, as in the Theremin, the electrical field) detectors are only the interface. The particular timbre of the instrument has no relation with the player-instrument interaction. ROBOT wrote: > they also had the fantastic idea of rigging up a series of light beams > on stage, and having dancers break the beams of light and make MusiK > with their body-movements. jbv wrote: > Mmmmh... Not really. In the late 60s, some french composer of > musique concrete (Pierre Henry I think) made a few live shows with > a giant electronic screen sensitive to movements made at a certain > distance. > The screen was connected to a set of various sound generators / > effects, and some dancers (probably Bejart's students) where invited > to improvise in front of the screen in order to trigger and develop > various sound structures. The composer to use this technique was John Cage on 1965 with the performance of Variations V with the Merce Cunningham Dance Company. I think there is a quite known photo of this performance with Cage and Tudor on the electronics and the dancers on the background where you can see the screens. Regards. -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: Re: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Date: 23 Aug 1997 21:45:05 +0000 > > A Spanish studio version does not exist, but Huetter used to sing the > first verse in Spanish during their concerts in Spain. (How about a > transcription, Jose? ;-) ) > i didn't know they played here in Spain, anyway i suppose i was too young to see them (i'm 30). Can you tell me when and where did they play at Spain ? cya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Date: 23 Aug 1997 22:05:52 +0000 > > > > Y pulsando una tecla especial > > toca la melodia seleccionada > > Plus, the translation for that would be > > Pulsando una tecla especial > Toca una peque=F1a melodia > that's right, sorry, i understood "selected" instead of "little"... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: Re: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Date: 23 Aug 1997 22:11:49 +0000 I've found this english version: I'm the operator with my pocket calculator I'm the operator with my pocket calculator I am adding and subtracting I'm controlling and composing I'm the operator with my pocket calculator I'm the operator with my pocket calculator I am adding and subtracting I'm controlling and composing By pressing down a special key, it plays a little melody By pressing down a special key, it plays a little melody I'm the operator with my pocket calculator I'm the operator with my pocket calculator ... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Date: 23 Aug 1997 16:37:59 -0400 >I've found this english version: > >I'm the operator with my pocket calculator As long as we're on the subject of foreign language versions of KW, could someone please print the lyrics for the German version of "Tour de France"? Thanks. -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Sie ist ein Modell und sie sieht gut aus..." P.S. - Hey Jules, I know you're lovin' this thread right about now. hehe ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Spanish concerts Date: 23 Aug 1997 23:38:10 +0000 > i didn't know they played here in Spain, anyway i suppose i was too > young to see them (i'm 30). Can you tell me when and where did they > play at Spain ? 02.06.1981: Barcelona, Palau Grana Blau 2 07.11.1991: Valencia, Auditorium Arena 08.11.1991: Barcelona, Zeleste 09.11.1991: Zaragoza, Carpa Municipal Emil Schult has once mentioned a 1978 Barcelona gig, but this seems to be flawed memory, I guess? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Tour de France (version allemande) Date: 24 Aug 1997 00:28:04 +0000 > As long as we're on the subject of foreign language versions of KW, > could someone please print the lyrics for the German version of "Tour de > France"? Thanks. Hoelle des Nordens von Roubaix, Die Alpen und die Pyrenaen, Die Cote d'Azur und Saint Tropez, Etappenziel Champs-Elysees. Pulzfrequenz im Haertetest, Der Koerper ist jetzt sattelfest, [???] Die Form ist da, jetzt geht es ab. I am not able to understand the missing line. Anyone else? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Date: 24 Aug 1997 01:14:26 +0200 >and pressing down a special key >it plays a selected melody doesn't it say: when I press a special key plays a little melody ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Date: 24 Aug 1997 01:14:16 +0200 >I never heard a Spanish version of this song, but here you have the >exact translation, anyway it doesn't sound too much musical ;) well, not that the italian version sounds so wonderful... :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) "Transmission beam" Instrument Date: 24 Aug 1997 01:14:24 +0200 >the late 70's -I can't find it off hand, but- not only did they connect >themselves and their clothing to their sound equipment for interesting >effects -(and to have a symbiotic relationship with the machines)-, they well, I saw three shows of Laurie Anderson in which she wore (sp? I mean she was wearing) such a suit with switches that triggered precussive sounds. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mars.sjoestrand@stockholm.mail.telia.com Subject: (kw) Concerts Date: 24 Aug 1997 01:15:19 +0200 Hi everybody! Just wondered how big the audience would be if the Karlsruhe gig would be sold out. What is the biggest audience KW ever played for?=20 M=E5ns Wenn Wellen schwingen - Ferne Stimmen singen.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Date: 23 Aug 1997 19:43:50 -0600 (MDT) On Sun, 24 Aug 1997, lbo wrote: > >and pressing down a special key > >it plays a selected melody > > doesn't it say: > > when I press a special key > plays a little melody I thought it was: by pressing down a special key it plays a little melody /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Date: 23 Aug 1997 21:58:14 -0400 >I thought it was: > >by pressing down a special key >it plays a little melody Yup, that'd be correct, Ra. :-) -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Boing Boom Tschak...TechnoPop!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Date: 23 Aug 1997 20:01:23 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > >I thought it was: > > > >by pressing down a special key > >it plays a little melody > Yup, that'd be correct, Ra. :-) Yay! What do I win?! *<&^) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Date: 23 Aug 1997 22:16:12 -0400 >> >by pressing down a special key >> >it plays a little melody > >> Yup, that'd be correct, Ra. :-) > >Yay! What do I win?! *<&^) (In my best announcer voice): For being such a good sport and an outstanding contestant, you win two tickets to sunny Karlsruhe this October where you'll be staying at the Royal Umlaut hotel! Enjoy the sounds of Kraftwerk live from your highrise terrace without abandoning the comforts of room service! There's one catch, Ra - you have to give ME the second ticket because I'm stuck in the damn USA and haven't seen KW live yet!! ahhhh!! :-P Slowly losing my mind, Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Date: 23 Aug 1997 20:56:02 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > >> Yup, that'd be correct, Ra. :-) > >Yay! What do I win?! *<&^) > > (In my best announcer voice): For being such a good sport and an > outstanding contestant, you win two tickets to sunny Karlsruhe this October > where you'll be staying at the Royal Umlaut hotel! Enjoy the sounds of > Kraftwerk live from your highrise terrace without abandoning the comforts of > room service! Woohoo!! :) > There's one catch, Ra - you have to give ME the second ticket > because I'm stuck in the damn USA and haven't seen KW live yet!! ahhhh!! :-P Aww, nuts! There's always a catch. I'm stuck here slightly higher up in Canada, and I haven't seen them live yet either. :( /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts Date: 24 Aug 1997 00:20:22 +0500 >>pure sine waves sound nothing like voices >A sine wave with vibrato on it sounds like a soprano (sp?). Kraftwerk used >such a sound on "Airwaves" on Radioactivity. I have a Moog Rogue that puts out a female soprano 'voice' identical to the one in "Airwaves"... so YES, it CAN be done! >> - vocal sounds are >>very very complex and sine waves are obviously not..... True. I've synthesized voices from scratch on my CZ-101 and you need a good complex waveform to start with. Otherwise the voices sound nasal-- like W.C. Fields :-)... >Speech vocal sounds are very complex. A sine wave using vibrato and played >with plenty of portamento sounds similar to a soprano - although not exactly >the same. Kind of like a Theremin, but it depends on the equipment you have. I won't get too deeply into this, but I know that KW's Mellotron stuff seems to have splices and tape imperfections in it. But who gives a dang-- it sounds good, and I think the imperfections improve the sound... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) "Transmission Beam"/TDF Lyrics Date: 24 Aug 1997 01:00:46 -0700 Okay, people, I simply meant it was something KW wanted to do 20 years ago, and now all these "modern" inventors are jumping on the bandwagon, so to speak! HA! Yes, I remember Stockhausen and a couple of other innovators doing it in the 60's. But, if you MUST nitpick, I recall learning back in 7th grade -(nevermind what year it was!)- that somebody was experimenting with this general concept in the 1930's, expanding on the Theremin idea- only they didn't have Photo Receptors back then, as far as I know, -(I'm sure SOMEbody will correct me if I'm mistaken ;] ROBOWINKY)-, so, the light beams were for visual effect only, while the dancers/conductor moved around in a field of radio waves- like, the whole "stage" was a giant Theremin or something.... whatever. I also read somewhere that the first "electric" -if not fully "electronic"- instrument was invented in the mid 1800's when some genius attatched an electromagnet to a bathtub and it resonated like a loudspeaker. I wonder what it sounded like? *HUMMMMBUZZZZZ* 'Probably had no pitch control. It was called "Galvinic Music" -battery powered. This was long before electric/electronic organs. Hell, let's talk about the first pipe organ- the oldest one I've heard of is at the Elisabeth Kirche -(sp? That means "not sure of the spelling", whoever asked that earlier....)- in Marburg, DE, circa 1200AD. Organs were mentioned in the Bible -and I don't mean heart/lungs, etc- so, the "Granddaddy of All SYNTHESIZERS" is an Ancient instrument, indeed. -(Various pipes mimic various instuments, "Reeds", "Woodwinds", etc.)- Think about it- look how KW blends the imagery of the Past with imagery of the Future and brings it into the RIGHT NOW. Is ANYthing really "new" anymore? Food for thought. As for TDF lyrics, they're printed on the back of the Album- but, I STILL can't hear the difference between the German & French versions. -(Okay, so I'm deaf as well as "dumb".... picky-picky....)- -(It's all in caps, and my keyboard has no fancy punctuation marks, so....)- =TOUR DE FRANCE= L'efer du nord Paris-Roubaix/ La Cote D'Azur et Saint-Tropez/ Les Alpes et Les Pyrenees/Derniere Etape Champs-Elysees/ Galibier et Tourmalet/En Danseuse Jusqu'Au Sommet/ Pedalier en Grang Braquet/Sprint Final A'Larrivee/ Crevaison Sur Les Paves/Le Velo vite repare/ Le Peleton est regroupe/Camerades et Amite/ Bon nuit! -(I tried....)- ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Dutch Translation Date: 24 Aug 1997 11:23:53 +0200 English I'm the operator with my pocket calculator I'm adding and substracting I'm controlling and composing by pressing down a special key it plays a little melody Dutch Ik ben een muzikant met mijn rekennmachine in de hand Ik tel op, en tel af Ik controleer, en componeer door drukken op een speciale toets speelt het een kleine melodie Dolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Dutch Translation Date: 24 Aug 1997 12:51:59 +0000 > Ik ben een muzikant met mijn rekennmachine in de hand For the record: Huetter sung in Utrecht 1991: "Ik ben een muzikant met calculator in de hand." Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe advert / Musik Zeitlos Date: 24 Aug 1997 09:21:06 +0200 (MEST) Hi! > > Just a question out of curiosity. If Kraftwerk is playing in Linz > > on the 16th of October, and in Karlsruhe just 2 days later on the 18th, why > > is there only an advertisement for the Karlsruhe concert on their website > > and not the Linz one? Since they perform live so infrequently these days, > > one would expect to find every show advertised that's coming up. Perhaps > > the show in Linz is going to be much lower-scale with regard to the venue > > itself and the promotion. Any ideas? > I asked this Andreas Kuchartz a few hours ago, I will keep you in touch > with his statements... Andreas answer is: The Linz Concert is intentionally not listed on the kw-site. Why it is not he must not/dont want/cannot tell me... COOL! Actually, I have NOT expected some kind of other reply... So, again, there will be lots of rumors coming up: Is the KW Gig in Linz going to be canceled? Will it be a "robots only" Gig? What is a "lower-scale" Kraftwerk Gig? Any hints Greetings from Austria zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: Re: (kw) Spanish concerts Date: 24 Aug 1997 14:27:23 +0000 > > > 02.06.1981: Barcelona, Palau Grana Blau 2 > 07.11.1991: Valencia, Auditorium Arena > 08.11.1991: Barcelona, Zeleste > 09.11.1991: Zaragoza, Carpa Municipal > aaarrrgh ! , i thought they never played here, i saw no advertisement of that concerts !! and what about recordings?, there are recordings of many concerts but not from those at Spain... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Extensive Kraftwerk airplay on VIVA?? Date: 24 Aug 1997 14:59:39 +0000 Not that I believe the following myself, but I guess that it can't hurt to mention it here anyway, just in case that there *is* anything behind it... I have heard that the German TV channel VIVA has allegedly broadcast a long "Kraftwerk Night" Special recently, including all the promo video clips, a TV performance of "Ruckzuck" from 1970/71 (feat. Ralf Huetter) and the complete TV footage from their concert in Paris, 1973. Is anybody able to confirm that this story is a hoax? Or is there a certain possibility that there is some truth behind it? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: (kw) The Face magazine 7/97, kwspottings Date: 24 Aug 1997 15:18:17 +0200 Two funny things in The Face magazine, number 7, 97. Page 44, "Are Kraftwerk reading your E-mail?" Page 122, Kraftwerk listed on place 90 of the 100-most-influential-people-in-fashion-list. "90 Kraftwerk They walked on stage in matching outfits at Tribal Gathering and, at last, realised just how respected they are as pop pioneers. And it's not just about the music. Come on, Ralf and Florian were Prada before Prada existed." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Spanish concerts Date: 24 Aug 1997 15:29:04 +0000 > > 02.06.1981: Barcelona, Palau Grana Blau 2 > > 07.11.1991: Valencia, Auditorium Arena > > 08.11.1991: Barcelona, Zeleste > > 09.11.1991: Zaragoza, Carpa Municipal > > and what about recordings?, there are recordings of many concerts but > not from those at Spain... Livetapes of the two concerts in Barcelona do exist, and there is also a bootleg video from the Zaragoza concert, but I have never heard of a recording from Valencia. Anyone else perhaps? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Promo Video Date: 24 Aug 1997 15:54:26 +0000 EMI has apparently issued the famous 35 seconds of Kraftwerk video footage from the Tribal Gathering in the form of a promo video tape for the use of TV stations. I'm not absolutely sure about the reliability of this info, but as various TV stations have already shown this footage, it seems only logical that such promo tapes exist? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Conny Fornbäck Subject: (kw) Concert dates and venues Date: 24 Aug 1997 16:37:52 +0200 I have three questions in connection to the list of concert-dates presented by Mats Kadmark a few days ago. Perhaps someone is able to give an answear to some of them. 1) Exactly where (=which venue) and when (what date) did Kraftwerk play in Chicago 1975? 2) Didn't Kraftwerk give a show in Berlin during their 1981-tour? Venue? Date? 3) When Kraftwerk played in Edinburgh in 1991 (17 July), where did they play? Mats' list says they played at "The Playhouse" and I think this is correct. But there is also information saying they played at "Apollo" Perhaps someone on the list attended one of these shows (at least the Edinburgh-show), and thereby is able to give us more information. Thanks, Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: (kw) Interview with Wolfgang Fluer Date: 24 Aug 1997 11:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Hello! Ecki Stieg (Radio FFN - Grenzwellen) made an interview with Wolfgang Fluer (in german): http://www.radioffn.de/gw/970823/moder01.html Carsten Bolte. Kiel. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Thoughts about Linz... Date: 24 Aug 1997 17:15:09 +0200 alpezi@zilli.priv.at: >Andreas answer is: >The Linz Concert is intentionally not listed on the kw-site. >Why it is not he must not/dont want/cannot tell me... ??? Mmmh...so, I don't know...the fact is, that there are still no tickets available at the ticket-office... >COOL! :-/ >So, again, there will be lots of rumors coming up: >Is the KW Gig in Linz going to be canceled? No, I don't think so...it's still listed at www.ticketworld.de... . Maybe the concert in Linz will contain a "surprise" (whatever this means)... . >Will it be a "robots only" Gig? *smile* Who knows...but I would say: no. And I want to have my CD's and Tickets signed by Ralf & Florian... >What is a "lower-scale" Kraftwerk Gig? Yeah, I also would be interested in this... . So, we have to wait, I think...still nearly two months left... . "Heute abend aus Deutschland...." - i just hope, I will hear this statement on 16.10. in Linz... . This all is very kraftwerkish... Schoene Gruesse aus Wien, Georgie I call you up from time to time To hear your voice on the telephone line http://www.kraftwerk.com -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Concert dates and venues Date: 24 Aug 1997 17:53:57 +0000 > 1) Exactly where (=which venue) and when (what date) did Kraftwerk play > in Chicago 1975? Kraftwerk played Chicago at least once in 1975, on April 19th. I don't know the venue, sorry. It is possible that they did one or two additional concerts in May, but I'm not sure. Anyone else? > 2) Didn't Kraftwerk give a show in Berlin during their 1981-tour? Yes. > Venue? Metropol. > Date? 10.06.1981. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: (kw) Concert dates and venues Date: 24 Aug 1997 18:50:20 +0200 >2) Didn't Kraftwerk give a show in Berlin during their 1981-tour? Venue? >Date? 10/6/1981 Germany, Berlin, Metropool >3) When Kraftwerk played in Edinburgh in 1991 (17 July), where did they >play? Mats' list says they played at "The Playhouse" and I think this is >correct. But there is also information saying they played at "Apollo" 12/7/1991 United Kingdom, Manchester, Apollo 17/7/1991 United Kingdom, Edinburgh, Playhouse Theatre Dolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Karl Bartos remixing Superior "Coma" Date: 24 Aug 1997 13:15:29 -0400 Hi all Forgot to add that during my recent trip to London I got hold of a vinyl promo of the track "Coma" by Superior with a remix by no other than Karl Bartos. Label is Virgin, Distribution by EMI, the promo was released 4th July 97 and the actual release date is TBC. Here s what the promo sheet of Power promotion had to say: Originally signed to Trickys Durban Poison label after a meeting backstag= e at a David Bowie concert last year, Su Goodacra aka Superior is set to cause mayhem across clubland with her debut release "Coma". Karl Bartos o= f Kraftwerk fame twiddles the knobs on the Komatix mix, an acidic electro ride in an progressive 97 stylee (a welcome return indeed!). On the flip the Pirhana Twins and engineer Mike Grey (of Greed Fame) slow= down the tempo and turn out the superb breakbeat induced Firefly mix. For= a wicked, voxless, funky big beat thang check out the straight up dub on B2= ! CHART PRIORITY!! quote over So what it is like? Its quiet Kraftwerkish in a way but with a hard tranc= e beat hammering away. No too bad. Londoners should be able to get this 2n= d hand cheaply. I got my copy at MVE, Noting Hill Gate downstairs....for 1 Pound! Regards Roland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk on VIVA? Date: 24 Aug 1997 13:15:34 -0400 Hallo Klaus I certainly have not seen or heard of such a Kraftwerk special. I also mu= st add that this sounds too cool for a station as VIVA, but there is a small= change that they could have showed something like this during "Berlin House" but I doubt it. I have a feeling that I would have spotted it. Ha= ve you seen their Popkom Special which was hosted by Mouse on Mars? They are= actually very funny guys and also live clips of MoM and Kreidler were shown....pretty good it was. = Maybe Kreidler or MoM will be the "friends" at Karlsruhe? Who knows..... Regards Roland Anybody knows what the TV Coverage will be like of the Karlsruhe event? WWW.ZKM.DE says something about this... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: (kw) magazines Date: 24 Aug 1997 15:37:36 +0000 could anyone suggest me the best fanzine-magazine about KW to subscribe ? (and how to do it... FAX, mail...) thanx # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) "Transmission Beam"/TDF Lyrics Date: 24 Aug 1997 12:04:31 -0700 Mea culpa! Mea culpa! Uh-oh, I made 4 typos in my last xmission on the TDF lyrics- I'm sorry. I will make correction to the List.... I do not speak French, pardon moi -(sp?)-, and I was typing while looking at the Album cover instead of the keyboard.*ulp*. I glitched BIG time! L'enfer -(I missed the "n")- Pedaler, not pedalier. Grand -"grang"? -(oops! I missed.)- Peloton not peleton- misspelled. Rats- I can't type OR see worth a dang! Oh, in case I didn't put enough "ROBOSMILEYS" in my previous post, PLEASE know that I was being facetious, and please don't take my weirdness too seriously, okay? No "offense" taken or intended. I was just goofin' on y'all.... Thanks to JBV for bringing the typos to my attention. Sorry I messed up. These were the mistakes I spotted, above- what else did I misspell? -(I'm afraid to ask!)- 'Later! ps: What's "Prada"?? -(re: "R&F were prada before prada."??)- ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Gray" Subject: (kw) UK Fans??? Date: 24 Aug 1997 21:18:43 +0100 Looking for any Kraftwerk fans in the UK..... Are there any???? Get in touch anybody... Simon. P.S. Anybody got any more news on the new Album release yet??? EMI just say a release in September sometime!!! Is there an EMI web-site??? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) re: Magazines Date: 24 Aug 1997 13:10:33 -0700 > From: Jose Gonzalez > could anyone suggest me the best fanzine-magazine about KW to > subscribe ? (and how to do it... FAX, mail...) > > thanx YEAH!! "AKTIVITAT"! -(I wish I could do umlauts.)- Hopefully Ian Calder will have a new issue out soon, with fotos from TG. How's it going, Ian? Busy WERKing, eh? Give us a holler/update! We're STARVING!! The Linz/Karlsruhe gigs aren't too far in the future- just too darned Far AWAY for us UNlucky Amerikanern to attend!!*%#@$*!! *sigh* ROBOT ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian J.Harris" Subject: Re: (kw) UK Fans??? Date: 24 Aug 1997 22:12:49 +0000 Looking for any Kraftwerk fans in the UK..... Are there any???? Get in touch anybody... Simon. P.S. Anybody got any more news on the new Album release yet??? EMI just say a release in September sometime!!! Is there an EMI web-site??? I'm a UK fan since "The Model" (I was only 10!) seen the band twice, Brixton & Tribal Gathering and have a moderate record & cd collection so that's at least two of us! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: Re: (kw) Karl Bartos remixing Superior "Coma" Date: 24 Aug 1997 23:45:41 +0200 >Forgot to add that during my recent trip to London I got hold of a vinyl >promo of the track "Coma" by Superior with a remix by no other than Karl >Bartos. Label is Virgin, Distribution by EMI, the promo was released 4th >July 97 and the actual release date is TBC. I knew of the Planet Rock remix Karl did (which I thought was quite brilliant).. did he remix any other stuff?? Laterz, Statik. -- "I doubt, therefore I might be..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco DuBose Subject: Re: (kw) "Transmission beam" Instrument Date: 24 Aug 1997 11:10:50 -0600 >"ROBOT" wrote: >>Unfortunately, nothing >>was ever done with this brilliant idea- although dance groups have >used >>KW's MusiK, ofcourse. > >Doesn't Jarre use beams of light to play sounds? haha. I always knew >he was a phoney!!! > >ciao, > >- ------------------------------------ >Jules Seifert >The Voice of Energy!! Yes! I think it's called a "laser organ". It consists of a horsehoe shaped "organ" with laser beams shooting straight up into the sky. Jarre stands inside the horseshoe and interrupts the beams (He wears some sort of asbestos gloves to protect his hands. I was able to hear and see from a distance this instrument during his "Rendevous Houston" concert some years ago. Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) KW, Afrika Bambaataa, & New Order Date: 23 Aug 1997 23:54:42 -0400 >>> Actually, "Blue Monday" DOES appear on 'Power, Corruption, and Lies' here in the USA (Qwest/Warner Bros. 25308). I also had the UK Factory version of the album at one point, which does not contain the track. However, the album was released on Qwest/Warner Bros. Records here in the USA and the LP contains "Blue Monday" as track #5, right before "Your Silent Face" incidentally. :-) Ok, back to Kraftwerk. <<< Speaking of New Order, can anyone tell me if there's a vocal version of "Confusion," that song they did with Arthur Baker, during the time of Afrika Bambaataa's "Looking for the Perfect Beat," available in the US? The only version I found was on the double-CD "Substance" (Qwest/WB 25621)--an instrumental! Just one more thing off-topic: Isn't it strange that Quincy Jones (Qwest's owner and founder) was the one who brought New Order to the US? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "303@iname.com" <303@bigfoot.com> Subject: (kw) TdF by KW Date: 25 Aug 1997 02:19:53 +0200 ®0|áÑð †b­ 303@iname.com T‡é Ù|†¡màtë Ðâñçêmª©h¡ñË™ Does anybody on this list have access to both a DAT and a record of TdF in finest shape. I would gladly send you a tape or a CDR right now! I have tried many times to get a hold of that F¤#£$/&% song, but with no luck! Help Needed! ///Charlie Crash # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) "Transmission beam" Instrument Date: 25 Aug 1997 01:28:44 +0100 Marco DuBose wrote: > Yes! I think it's called a "laser organ". It consists of a horsehoe > shaped "organ" with laser beams shooting straight up into the sky. > Jarre stands inside the horseshoe and interrupts the beams It is called a "Laser harp," as is reported on the China Concerts. > He wears some sort of asbestos gloves to protect his hands. Yeah, just for show-off and the cool looks. I doubt those lasers would be harmful in the first place--if they were they would be handled with ultracare, which is not the case (if he fell over such powerful lasers he would be sliced up!) -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) best of kraftwerk. Date: 25 Aug 1997 20:37:12 +0900 Hi 'Werkers, Am 18 Aug 1997 11:01:26, schreibt POOLTON, Richard: > Hi people. I've seen a Japanese cd listed at several of the on-line >cd shops called "Best Of Kraftwerk" > > I was just curious to know if anyone (perhaps one of our listies >over in Japan) has a track listing for this recording. Also, are the tracks >in any way edited from their original LP versions? Thanks. As I mailed to this list before, on late November/1996, there's no new track in the CD. 1. Geiger Counter 2. Radioactivity 3. Antenna 4. Europe Endless 5. Showroom Dummies 6. Trans-Europe Express 7. The Robots 8. The Model 9. The Man Machine Plus, I'm afraid there doesn't seem to be a release on March this year, as far as I looked around several dozens of CD shops in Tokyo. (Or, in case it DID appear with any limited condition, please forget this mail) Regards, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) neworder Date: 25 Aug 1997 13:51:10 +0100 I can't remember who it was... somebody was asking about "Confusion" by New order. It was released as a 12" only on Factory in late 1983, with 4 alternative mixes : "Confusion", "Confused Beats", "Confusion inst", + "Confusion rough mix". The band released it as Blue Monday was still in the charts and it failed miserably. There is also a promo 7" around, somewhere. At the same time the band recorded "Thieves Like Us" (a pure Kw influence there) but released it a year later. In 1987 the band re-recorded it for the "Substance" CD and issued two mixes of the new recording (a 1987 'vocal' on "Substance" and a 'dub' mix can be found on the "Touched By The Hand of God" UK CD). In 1991 a 'DMC mastermix' was issued on the "Volume One compilation" but it is a remix of the 1983 version, not the 1987. In 1995 a "Pump Panel reconstruction" mix of the 1987 was issued on the "rest of New Order" compilation. It's an awful mix. This really is a Neworder question though but I know it came up here. Can anybody help me find a Neworder mailing list? Other than that, apparently Kraftwerk visited the studio where Neworder recorded "Blue Monday" in late 1983 to see if they could utilise the technology there. It was such a dismal and dreary place they abandoned the idea on the spot. I think I read that in a Neworder article - can anyone confirm this? Also, if you can, go to the mIRC "kraftwerk" room and chat there. It's a much better way of communicating than posts like this. -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (kw) UK Fans??? Date: 25 Aug 1997 10:20:26 +0100 yep, I'm one. Mar@markgenius1.demon.co.uk. is my full addy. Hope you were at Tribal, stay cool. xx Mark Reed. In message <199708242019.VAA19833@tycho.global.net.uk>, Simon Gray writes > >Looking for any Kraftwerk fans in the UK..... > >Are there any???? > >Get in touch anybody... > >Simon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mars.sjoestrand@stockholm.mail.telia.com Subject: (kw) Best of, tracklisting Date: 25 Aug 1997 15:59:42 +0200 Hello One year ago I found a cd called "the best of kraftwerk" in a record store here in Stockholm it was very expensive so i did not buyed it but I remember the tracklistning. It included only tracks from Radio - Activity, Trans Europe express and Man Machine. The tracklisting was: 1. Geiger counter 2. Radio Activety 3. Antenna 4. Europe Endless 5. Showroom dummies=20 6. Trans Europe express=20 7. The Robots 8. Neon lights 9. The Man Machine Best regards M=E5ns Sj=F6strand Wenn Wellen schwingen - Ferne Stimmen singen..... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) neworder Date: 25 Aug 1997 10:07:16 -0400 (EDT) >Can anybody help me find a Neworder mailing list? There used to be one called "Ceremony" which was a split Joy Division & New Order mailing list all rolled into one. I'm not sure if it's still up and operating though. >Other than that, apparently Kraftwerk visited the studio where Neworder >recorded "Blue Monday" in late 1983 to see if they could utilise the >technology there. It was such a dismal and dreary place they abandoned >the idea on the spot. I think I read that in a Neworder article - can >anyone confirm this? Yes, Peter Hook (bassist in New Order) told that little story in the 'History of Rock' PBS special that ROBOT mentioned the other day. That program was the same one which featured the studio footage of Kraftwerk performing "Autobahn" and the commentary on how their music ("Trans-Europe Express" in particular) greatly influenced and helped to create a new genre in "electro-funk" as Afrika Bambaataa (sp?) liked to call it. The episode was entited "The Perfect Beat". >Also, if you can, go to the mIRC "kraftwerk" room and chat there. It's a >much better way of communicating than posts like this. I'm glad you like it! :-) -- Scott M. Barnhill (a.k.a. Kristallo) nebulous@erols.com "Another lonely night...lonely night..." http