From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: (kw) Mouse on Mars "Autoditacker" Date: 01 Sep 1997 00:30:53 +0900 Hi 'Werkers, The latest CD from Mouse on Mars "Autoditacker" came out from a Japanese manufacturer, with a few more tracks than original Too Pure reelase. (Oops, all of the bonus tracks are included in the CD Maxi "Cache Coeur Naif" anyway.) Mouse on Mars "Autoditacker" Tokuma Japan, TKCB-71216, out since 21/Aug/1997. 1. Sui Shop 2. Juju 3. Twift Shoeblade 4. Tamagnocchi 5. Dark FX 6. Scat 7. Tux & Damask 8. Sehnsud 9. X-files 10. Schnick Schnack Meltmade 11. Rondio 12. Maggots Hell Wigs (bonus tracks from "Cache Coeur Naif" PURE65CDS) 13. Cache Coeur naif 14. Glim Regards, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: (kw) Just my Sunday thoughts... Date: 01 Sep 1997 22:34:14 +0200 If there was an album coming out in late September it ought to being manufactured at a CD-plant right now, it ought to be arriving as promo to newspapers and radiostations in a weeks time, EMI whould be able to give us a definite release date, and so on... /anders # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@iol.it Subject: (kw) star trek and kraftwerk Date: 01 Sep 1997 02:23:44 +0000 strange thing... I casually said that I am in a Kraftwerk mailing list in a post on the italian newsgroup it.fan.startrek and a lot of people asked me about the list... if this was a multilevel I'll become rich... :-) the thread was "how will end this newsgoup when Star Trek episodies will be no longer transmitted on [italian] tv?" I just told them how long we are waiting for a new record... :-) ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RobbY Subject: (kw) Today Kraftwerk on TV! Date: 01 Sep 1997 14:58:21 +0200 (MET DST) German TV-program '3sat' will broadcast a report about Kraftwerk in 'Kulturzeit': 1.9.97 19.10h (repeated at 0.45h, 2.9.) Watch out! Robby. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ RoBeRt EnGeLhArDt . WiEsBaDeN (GERMANY) . enger000@mail.uni-mainz.de \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: j.sundstrom@ekuc.se (Jan Sundstrom) Subject: Re: (kw) Electric Music on Rubayat... Date: 01 Sep 1997 15:33:29 +0200 lars.bull@macforum.se,Internet writes: >Is the version of "Baby come back" on the Crosstalk CD-single identical >to >the one on the Rubayat sampler? It's not on Rubayat, it's on Ruby Trax, and yes i believe they're identical. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) aktivitat issue 9 Date: 01 Sep 1997 12:41:25 +0000 > I hope to make the articles from issue 9 readily available in a WWW forma= > t > in the near future... = i have put a quick taster for issue 9 at AKTIVITAET ONLINE. There is a colour image of cover (large file) and an excellent review (thanks Ian) on tribal gathering, quite long. Jose Garcia Aktivitaet Spain: aktivitat@arrakis.es Aktivitaet Online (Unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine) http://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/aktivitat.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cabeleira Magnificat Subject: Re: (kw) Why a robot ? Date: 01 Sep 1997 14:04:22 -0300 At 09:43 30/08/97 +0100, you wrote: >Yes, you're right. But as I mentioned in my previous post, this would >be FOR THE FUN. >Of course, any algorithm dealing with musical choice & decisions >would be run by computer, and there's no question to emulate such >processes (not even the hearing process) inside the robot. > >BUT, from the human / psychological / anthropomorphism point of view, >reproducing human movements with a human-like thing has much more >resonance inside human mind... >I think that it's mostly what KW is all about... > >jbv You know about the Terminator/Blade Runner thing? NASA is developing some inteligent computer to control their space stuff. The machine will be able to take decisions of it's own mind, no human control. 2001 is about to become reality, and we, ordinary humans will be their slaves!!! Think about it man, think about it... cabelwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) Why a robot ? Date: 01 Sep 1997 19:02:24 +0200 At 14:04 1997-09-01 -0300, Cabeleira Magnificat wrote: >You know about the Terminator/Blade Runner thing? NASA is developing some >inteligent computer to control their space stuff. The machine will be able >to take decisions of it's own mind, no human control. 2001 is about to >become reality, and we, ordinary humans will be their slaves!!! Think about >it man, think about it... Nah.. They are programmed just to do Anything NASA wants them to that donesn't include "Let humans be slaves" instructions I believe.. //RoBoten, Semi human being. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "L B" Subject: Fwd: Re: (kw) Why a robot ? Date: 01 Sep 1997 10:55:00 PDT >They are programmed just to do >Anything NASA wants them to mmmmh... is intended that these two lines could sound good as the first two verses for Die Roboter? if so, compliments? if not, compliments all the same! you would be a subliminal Kraftwerk fan! >that donesn't include "Let humans be slaves" instructions I believe.. now, ot I know, but I just finished to read a sf book of Harry Harrison and Marvin Minsky (you know who is Minsky, don't you?), where one of the protagonist is an artificial intelligence (even if "he" doesn't like the term...), that at one point say more or less "Why should you be feared of machines taking control? I feel gratitude to you..." ------------ se volete rispondere per favore fatelo a questo indirizzo to answer please use this address Lbo@iol.it e' controllato molto piu' di frequente it is checked a lot more frequently grazie - thanks ------------ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: Re: (kw) Today Kraftwerk on TV! Date: 01 Sep 1997 19:26:47 +0200 (MEST) Hi! On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, RobbY wrote: > > German TV-program '3sat' will broadcast a report about Kraftwerk in > 'Kulturzeit': > > 1.9.97 19.10h (repeated at 0.45h, 2.9.) > > Watch out! Taped! Cool article! Small Videos from 1970 and 73, the Luton Video, Interview with Ralf, Interview with Wolfgang, Statements from DJ Westbam, David Bowie and Alan Bangs, The Robots, The Model, TEE, Musique Non Stop, ... Very nice....... Greetings from Austria zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: (kw) WMNF Kraftwerk Retrospective Date: 01 Sep 1997 19:34:45 +0200 (MEST) Hi! Where can I get this Real Audio File or somethin equivalent? I cannot download this from http://audio.wmnf.org/ram/kraftwerk.ram Greetings from Austria zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: (kw) KW Home Page Date: 01 Sep 1997 19:41:43 +0200 (MEST) Hi! Am I late, or am I wrong: Has http://www.kraftwerk.com/video.html been changed? Greetings from Austria zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "303@iname.com" <303@bigfoot.com> Subject: SV: (kw) KW Home Page Date: 01 Sep 1997 22:01:43 +0200 ®0|áÑð †b­ 303@iname.com T‡é Ù|†¡màtë Ðâñçêmª©h¡ñË™ http://www.kraftwerk.com > Am I late, or am I wrong: > Has http://www.kraftwerk.com/video.html been changed? > > Greetings from Austria > zilli > > Hmmmm!!!! It has, I am downloading right now to see if there are any new stuff...(probably NOT!) ///CC # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Why a robot ? Date: 01 Sep 1997 16:05:30 -0400 >>> ...now, ot I know, but I just finished to read a sf book of Harry Harrison and Marvin Minsky (you know who is Minsky, don't you?), where one of the protagonist is an artificial intelligence (even if "he" doesn't like the term...), that at one point say more or less "Why should you be feared of machines taking control? I feel gratitude to you..." <<< If I recall, the book's called "The Turing Option," and it's published by Warner Books. Halfway decent, I think--worth checking out. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) KW & Star Trek Date: 01 Sep 1997 16:00:27 -0400 KW will never get its props in the Star Trek universe because they're not "classical" Eurocentric composers--they're electronic and pop-oriented, and according to the powers-that-be in Trek, anything of that sort doesn't exist anymore. It's only the most arcane, pompous, and Eurocentric anything that exists there. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "303@iname.com" <303@bigfoot.com> Subject: (kw) Off topic - J.M. Jarre Date: 01 Sep 1997 22:16:36 +0200 =AE0|=E1=D1=F0 =86b=AD 303@iname.com T=87=E9 =D9|=86=A1m=E0t=EB =D0=E2=F1=E7=EAm=AA=A9h=A1=F1=CB=99 http://www.kraftwerk.com Does anyone know about a Jarre mailing list? ...if they don't - do they know which drummachine are used on Oxygene4 (t= he rattlesound)? This is by the way "Pocket Calculator" directly translated to Danish... -Jeg er operat=F8ren med min lommeregner. -Ved tryk p=E5 en s=E6rlig tangent, spiller den en lille melodi. -Jeg adderer,=20 og subtraherer. Jeg kontrollerer, og komponerer. ///CC # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: (kw) Robotics Date: 01 Sep 1997 14:29:37 -0600 (MDT) For those interested in robotics, Simon Godfrey reminded me of a Wired article that may amuse you. In Wired magazine issue 4.07 (July 1996), Bruce Sterling details a robot battle event held in Phoenix. There's nothing about the construction of the robots other than a few pictures, but it's an interesting read. There is some related information at http://www.wired.com/4.07/srl/ /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Paparazzis Date: 01 Sep 1997 15:06:18 -0700 By now, I'm sure everyone has heard the news of the tragic death of Princess Diana and her companion Dodi Al Fayed and their driver as the result of being chased by Paparazzis, who in turn blame the driver for being intoxicated and for speeding. This terrible event will certainly make all celebrities more cautious than ever. My heart goes out to Princes William and Henry. Hopefully, "junk Journalists" will now finally back off and show some respect for privacy! I just had to say this. We all know that Ralf and Florian avoid publicity. They are very wise. Perhaps it is fortunate that they're not as popular and famous as their talent deserves. ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) Paparazzis Date: 02 Sep 1997 02:18:52 +0200 At 15:06 1997-09-01 -0700, ROBOT wrote: Paparazzis, the oposites to "the model" For every famous person they do the worse they can It only takes a million to change their mind... /RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) Paparazzis Date: 02 Sep 1997 02:29:26 +0200 At 02:18 1997-09-02 +0200, RoBoten wrote: > >At 15:06 1997-09-01 -0700, ROBOT wrote: Sorry, this row shouldn't be there.. //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) Today Kraftwerk on TV! Date: 02 Sep 1997 02:33:28 +0200 At 19:26 1997-09-01 +0200, Alexander Peter Zillner wrote: >Cool article! Small Videos from 1970 and 73, the Luton Video, Interview >with Ralf, Interview with Wolfgang, Statements from DJ Westbam, David >Bowie and Alan Bangs, The Robots, The Model, TEE, Musique Non Stop, ... Taped also! Very nice pictures from early 70's concerts with long-haired heroes.. I like those cones!!!!!!!! _ / \ /###\ _/_____\_ =) //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) KW & Star Trek Date: 02 Sep 1997 03:20:41 +0000 > KW will never get its props in the Star Trek universe because they're not > "classical" Eurocentric composers--they're electronic and pop-oriented, sorry to contradict you and I don't want to start a thread but I am european and while we can argue about Kraftwerk not being eurocentric (and how could you be not when you are european born and feed), I, as european, can assure you that ST is one of the most evident concentrate of americanism that lack of anything european. Picard a french? Scotty a scot? not at all. or the -centric suffix has another meaning that I don't understand? maybe an american-centric? :-) ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) KW & Star Trek Date: 01 Sep 1997 22:14:59 -0400 >>> sorry to contradict you and I don't want to start a thread but I am European and while we can argue about Kraftwerk not being Eurocentric <<< I think you misunderstood. Yes, KW's general outlook is Eurocentric, but since their electronic and pop-oriented their not looked at positively by the Trek powers-that-be. Sorry for any confusion. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Paparazzis Date: 01 Sep 1997 21:14:42 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, ROBOT wrote: > William and Henry. Hopefully, "junk Journalists" will now finally > back off and show some respect for privacy! Heck, no! They've just learned they can get even more sensational stories by bumping off the celebs. :) Remember, "Journalistic Integrity" is a contridiction. > I just had to say this. We all know that Ralf and Florian avoid publicity. > They are very wise. Perhaps it is fortunate that they're not as popular and > famous as their talent deserves. Agreed! /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW & Star Trek Date: 01 Sep 1997 21:20:19 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 2 Sep 1997 lbo@iol.it wrote: > > KW will never get its props in the Star Trek universe because they're not > > "classical" Eurocentric composers--they're electronic and pop-oriented, > > or the -centric suffix has another meaning that I don't understand? > maybe an american-centric? :-) "Americentric" is the term that seems to be coming into use, and yes Star Trek is definitely americentric. It means portraying everything from an American point of view which, as you pointed out, Star Trek does. I think the person who wrote the first paragraph there meant that KW are not the ordinary type of European composer. I don't know what that has to do with Star Trek though. Mmmm... Borg... Somehow "We are the Borg" just doesn't have the same ring to it as "We are the Robots". /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "wisse e." Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Date: 02 Sep 1997 08:59:20 -0500 Here is an update of the "meeting-people-list" : added numbers just to see how may are on the list 1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com 2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de 3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com 4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net 5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net 6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se 7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at 10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com 11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de 12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no 13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl 14 Judith van der Veer 14 Hil Boorsma 15 Bob Smeets 16 Maureen Jansen 17 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl -- Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "wisse e." Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Date: 02 Sep 1997 09:09:00 -0500 Sorry, I seem to have deleted some people from the list before sending it off.. Here is an update of the "meeting-people-list" : 1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com 2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de 3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com 4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net 5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net 6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se 7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at 8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl 9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de 10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com 11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de 12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no 13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl 14 Judith van der Veer 15 Hil Boorsma 16 Bob Smeets 17 Maureen Jansen 18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl -- Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) "Transmission beam"/Szajner Date: 02 Sep 1997 10:14:10 +0300 Brendan Heading wrote: > It's not only a prop, and it does send out, in it's earlier incarnations a CV > signal, and in it's recent incarnations, a MIDI signal. I have seen it played > live, and I am 99% certain it's not fake. > > It was designed by Bernard Szajner before Jarre began using it. That's right, he did! Szajner is pictured with the laser harp on the sleeve of his Brute Reason album. By the way, not a bad album at all...haven't seen it /or his other albums) on CD, though. Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) "Transmission beam"/Szajner Date: 02 Sep 1997 10:14:27 +0300 Brendan Heading wrote: > It's not only a prop, and it does send out, in it's earlier incarnations a CV > signal, and in it's recent incarnations, a MIDI signal. I have seen it played > live, and I am 99% certain it's not fake. > > It was designed by Bernard Szajner before Jarre began using it. That's right, he did! Szajner is pictured with the laser harp on the sleeve of his Brute Reason album. By the way, not a bad album at all...haven't seen it (or his other albums) on CD, though. Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Date: 02 Sep 1997 10:04:25 +0200 19. Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Paparazzi Date: 02 Sep 1997 09:34:58 +0100 > From: ROBOT > > By now, I'm sure everyone has heard the news of the tragic death of > Princess Diana and her companion Dodi Al Fayed and their driver as the tragic only her family. certainly not tragic for the british tax payer... > result of being chased by Paparazzis, who in turn blame the driver for > being intoxicated and for speeding. This terrible event will certainly make > all celebrities more cautious than ever. My heart goes out to Princes > William and Henry. Hopefully, "junk Journalists" will now finally > back off and show some respect for privacy! she loved the press - she was a accomplished manipulator of the media who did everything she possibly could to gain publicity. she needed them as much as they needed her. those who are loudly condemning the press and the photographers they pay right now are the self same people who rush out and buy the tabloids whenever there is a diana story. what breathtaking hypocrisy. my only regret is that she's being buried on saturday, otherwise i might have got a day off work. remember: those who live by the sword die by the sword. sorry for my non-kraftwerk rant - after two days of this 'oh poor tragic diana' crap i've had about as much as i can take! i also agree R + F are very wise to avoid publicity, but perhaps for very different reasons. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Date: 02 Sep 1997 19:30:57 +1000 wisse e. wrote: > Here is an update of the "meeting-people-list" : > > 1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com > 2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de > 3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com > 4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net > 5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net > 6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se > 7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at > 8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl > 9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de > 10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com > 11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de > 12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no > 13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl > 14 Judith van der Veer > 15 Hil Boorsma > 16 Bob Smeets > 17 Maureen Jansen > 18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl Have we thought about a plan at this stage?. Meet just before and after the show or will a 'scouting' party hang around earlier and try and catch the soundcheck? Any other cool things happening at the ZKM over those days? Can't wait.........! Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Date: 17 Sep 1997 11:52:32 +0200 >=20 > > Here is an update of the "meeting-people-list" : > > > > 1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com > > 2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de > > 3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com > > 4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net .. .. ..> > 16 Bob Smeets > > 17 Maureen Jansen > > 18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl >=20 19 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org 20 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se 21 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se 22 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se 23 Rickard Hidefj=E4ll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se 24 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org 25 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org /aw # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) update 2! Date: 02 Sep 1997 11:01:56 +0200 Hello!=20 =20 I just updated my KW-pages with seven more pictures this morning=20 (=fourteen new images since last week)....=20 =20 I'd like some feedback before I do more updates =20 (How do you like my new design?)=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 www.student.gu.se/~maka0067 =20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Conny Fornbäck Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Date: 02 Sep 1997 11:38:41 +0200 > > Here is an update of the "meeting-people-list" : > > > > 1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com > > 2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de > > 3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com > > 4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net > > 5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net > > 6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se > > 7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at > > 8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl > > 9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de > > 10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com > > 11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de > > 12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no > > 13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl > > 14 Judith van der Veer > > 15 Hil Boorsma > > 16 Bob Smeets > > 17 Maureen Jansen > > 18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl > > 19 Conny Fornbäck conny.annica@wineasy.se # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Glen Subject: Re: (kw) Mouse on Mars "Autoditacker" Date: 02 Sep 1997 11:26:36 +0100 In message , Hiroshi MURATA writes >Hi 'Werkers, > >The latest CD from Mouse on Mars "Autoditacker" came out >from a Japanese manufacturer, with a few more tracks than >original Too Pure reelase. >12. Maggots Hell Wigs "Maggot Hell Wigs"?!!!!!! What are these guys on?!!! -- Leisure # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Smith Subject: (kw) introducing myself Date: 02 Sep 1997 06:52:55 -0700 Just a quick introduction (I did this before, but it was brief)... OK... my name is Craig, I'm 24 and I like in the US. I just recently got into the music of Kraftwerk. My first exposure to them was in 1983/4 when "Tour De France" was out and it was one of the cuts we used to blast while breakdancing on the streets of Philly, and sadly enough the version I have on vinyl is that by 10 Speed on a Ktel album... anyway, recently, while looking through the Rolling Stone Top 100 albums issue, I spotted TEE in there and started quizzing my friend (a KW fan for some time) about the album. He was so sure I would love it that he bought it for me that day as a very early birthday present, and that started the fascination. Since then I rediscovered the movie Breakin', where TDF is played (something I had forgotten about), noticed the KW riff in "Planet Rock", I actually heard the intro of The Mix version of "Robots" on some commercial in the car the other day. Boy, I'm deep in this one... they're following me. So much in fact, that I checked out the last year of archives while working midnight shift this past weekend. I was quite intrigued. I followed those little flame wars like soap operas. :) And the accounts of TG were enough to make me shiver... The thought of possibly never being able to see KW in the US is quite saddening. Lots of cool stuff to read I must say... What I'm trying to say basically is that this is a great list and I'm very happy to have found it! The people that responded to my last post (about the TG setlist) were most kind. Now, hopefully I can find a way to participate... ;) Craig Smith effigy@voicenet.com http://www.voicenet.com/~effigy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Paparazzi Date: 02 Sep 1997 11:41:00 GMT Jon Alsbury wrote: >those who are loudly condemning the press and the photographers >they pay right now are the self same people who rush out and buy >the tabloids whenever there is a diana story. what breathtaking >hypocrisy. here here. I never really liked diana, but I was still shocked to hear the way she had died, press or no press, it is still tragic for ANYBODY to die in a car crash. However, in the light of recent developments, I find it horrifying to find that the three that died were not wearing seat belts!! I know something for sure, if I was travelling at 120mph through Paris, I would be wearing one! On topic, R&F have a different set of circumstances to this, and their secrecy is more an obsession than necessity. I hardly think that the paparazzi would do the same for them! ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Linz & Karlsruhe tickets Date: 02 Sep 1997 13:33:38 +0100 To those who ordered their tickets on the net through Ticketworld : how long did it take before you received your tickets in the mail ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: Re: (kw) Linz & Karlsruhe tickets Date: 02 Sep 1997 13:51:22 +0200 I got my tickets a week days after I had ordered them. /anders jbv wrote: > > To those who ordered their tickets on the net through Ticketworld : > how long did it take before you received your tickets in the mail ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Paparazzi Date: 02 Sep 1997 08:12:01 -0400 >here here. I never really liked diana, but I was still shocked to hear >the way she had died, press or no press, it is still tragic for >ANYBODY to die in a car crash. However, in the light of recent >developments, I find it horrifying to find that the three that died >were not wearing seat belts!! Just to add to all this, they were covering the story from different angles on public radio (820 AM - WNYC) here in New York yesterday, and they claimed that it had been discovered that the driver of Princess Diana's car had been drinking alcoholic content. Whether or not this was an attempt to draw some of the blame away from the media/press or not remains to be seen. -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Date: 02 Sep 1997 13:25:54 +0200 =20 >> > Here is an update of the "meeting-people-list" :=20 >> >=20 >> > 1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com=20 >> > 2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de=20 >> > 3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com=20 >> > 4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net=20 >> > 5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net=20 >> > 6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se=20 >> > 7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at=20 >> > 8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl=20 >> > 9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de=20 >> > 10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com=20 >> > 11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de=20 >> > 12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no=20 >> > 13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl=20 >> > 14 Judith van der Veer=20 >> > 15 Hil Boorsma=20 >> > 16 Bob Smeets=20 >> > 17 Maureen Jansen=20 >> > 18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl=20 >> > 19 Conny Fornb=E4ck conny.annica@wineasy.se=20 >> unknown number : Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se =20 =20 =20 See you there!=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Paparazzi Date: 02 Sep 1997 14:38:44 +0100 Jules Seifert wrote: >it is still tragic for ANYBODY to die in a car crash. However, in the > light of recent developments, I find it horrifying to find that the >three that died were not wearing seat belts!! I'm sure that James Ballard really did appreciate the story... :) jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Paparazzi again Date: 02 Sep 1997 15:02:15 +0100 Wir fahren fahren auf der Autobahn Paparazzi are chasing us Our driver is drunk And we don't wear our seat belts... Va Va Voom ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Paparazzi again Date: 02 Sep 1997 07:38:38 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, jbv wrote: > Wir fahren fahren auf der Autobahn > Paparazzi are chasing us > Our driver is drunk > And we don't wear our seat belts... LOL! I get that one. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) Linz & Karlsruhe tickets Date: 03 Sep 1997 01:29:11 +1000 jbv wrote: > To those who ordered their tickets on the net through Ticketworld : > how long did it take before you received your tickets in the mail ? It took about 4 days for me, and I live in bloody Australia ! A fine effort....... Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: (kw) KW / CD for swap Date: 03 Sep 1997 01:40:10 +1000 I have a CD for trade: It is called 'Kraftwerk - Werke' - Westwood One Rarities on CD Vol 55. It has almost the same cover as Kraftwerk 2, execept for the 'Werke' part. The track list is as follows: Tour De France - 1983 German 12" Dentaku - 1981 12" Autobahn - 1975 US chart single ver. Kouhoutek - 1974 single Showroom Dummies - 1977 single edit Der Telefon Anruf - 1987 German 12" Musique Non Stop - 1986 12" Sex Object - 1986 Spanish ver. Radioactivity -1991 William Orbit Hardcore Mix Tour De France - 1983 Remix Mini Calculateur - 1981 French 12" Housephone - 1987 12" Autobahn - 1981 Reissue All excellent sound quality. I am looking for any live CD (especially from the 1981 tour) or DAT recording. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: (kw) Tickets for Linz available!!!! Date: 02 Sep 1997 17:33:17 +0200 (MEST) Hi! Today, 14.00 MEST Posthof startet his Ticket-Pre-Sale for the Autumn Season. Tickets for Kraftwerk on October 16th 20.00 cost 270 Austrian Schillings each, thats about 38 Deutschmarks or aehh, well, check your valuting indicies in you local Newspapers. Posthof can be reached via Internet at kassa@posthof.at (Ticket-Information) or office@posthof.at (general stuff) From the end of september on, you can reach Posthofs Web-Server at http://www.posthof.at too. The new Computing System there is heavily under Construction, so there might to appear small problems, so a voice call would not be a large mistake +43-732-781800 Ticket Reservations/Orders can be done from Tuesday to Friday, 14.00 till 19.00 MEST and Saturday from 17.00 till 19.00 MEST. via Fax at +43-732-781800-78 or email at kassa@posthof.at Further stuff (Travelinfos, Hotels,..) will be soon available at my homepage, hope I have time to construct an upload this in the next two days... Greetings from Austria zilli *********************** Alexander Peter Zillner EDV-Beratung Schussweg 8 4210 Unterweitersdorf *********************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk secrecy (was: Paparazzi) Date: 02 Sep 1997 16:37:31 +0100 Julze wrote: > here here. I never really liked diana, but I was still shocked to hear > the way she had died, press or no press, it is still tragic for > ANYBODY to die in a car crash. However, in the light of recent > developments, I find it horrifying to find that the three that died > were not wearing seat belts!! I agree absolutely - I was in no way pleased to hear the news, but Surely you must see the irony in the manner of her death, regardless of the fact that the driver of the car was drunk, driving well over the speed limit, and not wearing a seat belt. a needless waste of three lives caused by nothing more than plain stupidity. > On topic, R&F have a different set of circumstances to this, and their > secrecy is more an obsession than necessity. I hardly think that the > paparazzi would do the same for them! I wonder why R&F have this great obsession with secrecy? Is it simply because it is a deliberate, integral part of the Kraftwerk concept, or maybe they're just very shy, introverted people. I've never heard or seen Florian speak in an interview - infact I'm not sure Florian has ever given an interview - I don't recall ever reading or hearing one. Ralf always looks genuinely uncomfortable in interviews to me - he is very quiet and reserved. Often appearing extremely nervous, he avoids direct eye contact and gives very little away. Wolfgang and Karl aren't like that in the interviews they've given since they left. They seem to find it easier to be more open, and dare I say it - human! Perhaps, like many great but 'tortured' artists, R&F find it hard to form relationships with others. maybe they are afraid of getting close to others - or maybe they just want people to focus on the music and not the makers of that music. maybe they are similar to the alienated artist who feels completed to create, through their art, an environment that they have total control over - they are completely safe within the world of their music, or painting, or whatever. they have no desire, or the emotional capacity, to interact with others outside of that personal private world. who knows? I don't, maybe I'm talking complete bollocks! jon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mars.sjoestrand@stockholm.mail.telia.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW / CD for swap Date: 02 Sep 1997 19:38:04 +0200 Hi! Is "Housephone" some kind of a remix or reworked version of "Telephone call" I have never heard about this track before. Any one who knows? Regards=20 M=E5ns Wenn Wellen schwingen - Ferne Stimmen singen.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Paparazzi Date: 02 Sep 1997 10:50:39 -0700 Jeez- I had no intention of starting a whole off-topic thread on "Diana: Love her or Hate her". I always liked her and I was being very sincere & respectful and as brief as possible simply to make the point that in light of this tragedy, it's good that Ralf & Florian are so secretive and publicity-shy, what ever their reasons might be. I just hope they wear their seatbelts- Sicherheitsgort! Yes, the Paparazzis were chasing the car. Yes, everyone buys the tabloids. Yes, the driver was intoxicated- and, yes, 3 lives were lost. -(Ofcourse ANY loss of life is a tragedy!)- The facts aren't all in yet. Only the surviving security guard can give details, if he can remember. But, if anyone wants to discuss Diana, there's a "forum" set up on Geocities. I can't find the URL off hand, but, I'm sure you can get to it from the main homepage. ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) KW / CD for swap Date: 02 Sep 1997 14:21:19 -0400 >Is "Housephone" some kind of a remix or reworked version of "Telephone >call" I have never heard about this track before. > >Any one who knows? Yes, "House Phone" is a remix which can be found on the 1986 U.S. 12" single of "The Telephone Call" (Warner Bros.; 0-20627) -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "I give you my affection and I give you my time..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Kess Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk on TV Date: 02 Sep 1997 13:55:56 -0400 Hy, has anybody seen the small TV Clip, the german TV (ARD) has shown today = in the morning, about 08:45. They talked about Kraftwerk, their forthcoming concert in Karlsruhe. The weird and amazing thing was: = This small report (about 2minutes long) had some music in it, which was = definitly from Kraftwerk, but I had never heard this tune. No, it was not= = the TG song, it was another NEW SONG!! Can anybody confirm this? regards Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Kess Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in Kulturzeit on 3SAT Date: 02 Sep 1997 13:56:01 -0400 Hy has anyone taped the Kulturzeit report about Kraftwerk and is willing to = make a copy for me? I programmed my shitty VCR and it missed it... I shoulkd have stid up to = watch it at 045 in the morning... regards Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) KW / CD for swap Date: 02 Sep 1997 19:52:25 +0100 mars.sjoestrand@stockholm.mail.telia.com wrote: > Is "Housephone" some kind of a remix or reworked version of "Telephone > call" I have never heard about this track before. Housephone is on the B-side of Telephone Call 12" (both UK and German versions). There was also a UK only 12" Housephone test pressing, though I haven't seen one myself. The track itself is a pretty drastic re-working rather than re-mix - no vocals but plenty of 'dial again dial again!' Cat numbers: EMI 2016336 - Der Telephone Anruf / Housephone / The Telephone Call German 12" single 1987 EMI 12 EMI 5602 - The Telephone Call / Housephone / Der Telephone Anruf British 12" single 1987 EMI 12 EMI 5602 - Housephone British 12" test pressing 1987 cheers, Jon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (kw) Paparazzi Date: 02 Sep 1997 21:25:54 +0100 We should all remember teh word s of Earl Spencer: "Any ediotr or newspaper owner who ever bought a picture off the paparazzi has blood on their hands tonight." Interestingly, this was not quoted by the papers. However, thanks to Di's death and teh closing of public facilities.., Primal Scream have had to postpone all their dates for a week, they were due to play Victoria Park in London on Saturday and Sunday. Another week of waiting. :( Mark.... In message <340bfa64.12190996@mail.cableinet.co.uk>, Jules Seifert writes > >Jon Alsbury wrote: > >>those who are loudly condemning the press and the photographers >>they pay right now are the self same people who rush out and buy >>the tabloids whenever there is a diana story. what breathtaking >>hypocrisy. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Linz & Karlsruhe tickets Date: 03 Sep 1997 01:11:44 +0100 jbv wrote: > To those who ordered their tickets on the net through Ticketworld : > how long did it take before you received your tickets in the mail ? Adam Read wrote : >It took about 4 days for me, and I live in bloody Australia ! So, since I live in France, it shouldn't take more than 10 minutes... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Nexus CD Arrivee! Date: 02 Sep 1997 20:37:16 -0700 HALLELUJAH!! My Nexus' "Olympic" CD made it to Mom's house in today's mail- Finally! Now all I gotta do is go into town and pick it up.*YAY*. The SnailMail gets delayed for mysterious reasons sometimes- shit happens- so, if anyone else is still waiting for their copy, please be assured that Nexus has not ripped you off. -(Why do you think they call it "SnailMail"?)- Keep the Faith! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Olf Ranthiz Subject: (kw) FS: Kraftwerk: Lebendige Menschen Date: 03 Sep 1997 11:37:11 +0200 -Hi folks I've got the following CD for sale: Kraftwerk: Lebendige Menschen tracks: (Tribal Gathering'97) Numbers Computerworld Radioactivity TEE/Abzug/Metall auf Metall Pocketcalculator/Dentaku The Robots (Ludwigsburg(1991) Das Model Tour de France Musique non stop asking $20 + shipping e-mail me if interested. - take care tf ************************************************************* "Drinking and smoking are bad for the health" -Charles Bukowski # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe gig sold out Date: 03 Sep 1997 11:40:49 +0000 The Kraftwerk concert in Karlsruhe is now completely sold out. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Time Pie" promo CD Date: 03 Sep 1997 11:40:48 +0000 Record collectors may be interested that Cleopatra has issued a promo CD for the forthcoming US release of the "Time Pie" album by Yamo. I have no further infos about catalogue number etc., sorry. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) RAVE-O-LUTION 309 Date: 03 Sep 1997 11:40:50 +0000 Quasimidi state in their latest brochure that Kraftwerk are using their RAVE-O-LUTION 309 in concerts. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Guiding Ray" single Date: 03 Sep 1997 11:40:50 +0000 > The first single in Germany is titled Stereomatic and the second to > be relesded on 2nd September will be called GUIDING RAY It isn't on this week's release schedule. Looks like it was postponed once again. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Midnight Special" Date: 03 Sep 1997 11:40:51 +0000 > Note : VH-1 plays reruns of the old ABC show " Midnight Special " and > according to some info in the book that came with a box set of > kraftwerk CD's Kraftwerk made an appearance on that show in the > 1970's Yes, it was either in April (probably) or May 1975, and the performed "Autobahn". German VH-1 is also going to repeat this show, every Sunday at midnight, starting next Sunday. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) That new track Date: 03 Sep 1997 16:49:18 +0100 Just thought I'd point out that a list of sites carrying "that" Tribal Gathering extract can be found at:- http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/miscellaneous.html#tg-track All the best Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Virgo/Ae Subject: (kw) new member Date: 03 Sep 1997 19:23:12 -0100 just to say hi there all.... a new member (25, italian) joined the mailing-list devoted to great kraftwerk! cya. -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- -=< Virgo.Ae@MindlesS.CoM >=- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: Re: (kw) Paparazzi Date: 03 Sep 1997 21:22:59 +0000 > >>those who are loudly condemning the press and the photographers > >>they pay right now are the self same people who rush out and buy > >>the tabloids whenever there is a diana story. what breathtaking > >>hypocrisy. > > > but, did Lady Di like Kraftwerk ??? if she didn't, i understand nothing.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: Re: (kw) Why a robot ? Date: 03 Sep 1997 21:36:02 +0000 > > You know about the Terminator/Blade Runner thing? NASA is developing some > inteligent computer to control their space stuff. The machine will be able > to take decisions of it's own mind, no human control. 2001 is about to > become reality, and we, ordinary humans will be their slaves!!! Think about > it man, think about it... > sure, and they will have an operating system called: Windows 2000 (Beta Version) by William Gates II. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) What's that crap ? Date: 03 Sep 1997 21:36:25 +0100 Hello boys and girls, yesterday evening, I finally took the time to download the short QT movie from the official KW site. First, it took 50 mn to get the stuff (which is quite slow for 3.5 Mb through ISDN), but it didn't matter : they were playing Star Wars on TV. But then, it was the biggest deception in my (long) life ! First, the graphics on the site are awful (Emil, where are you ?)... Second, why did you all get excited by that 30 min stamp-sized joke ? You know what it reminds me ? Those stupid spacey music bands from the 1st half of the 70s (like Space) who thought they could lure the audience and make us forget about their lack of musical inspiration by wearing silly space suits and shooting videos in pseudo-21st century urban landscapes... They really look ridiculous with thoose greenish suits and cheap glasses ! And I'm even sure the soundtrack has nothing to do with the movie : they just cut some footage from a soundcheck or some rehearsal and put some background noise on it. And as for the music, as a radio DJ, I wouldn't even use it as a commercial background, or to just fill 1 min of blank until the news or the weather forecasts... Some of you might think that I take some perverse pleasure by systematically bashing KW. Most of the time, it's only tongue-in-cheek stuff, but this time, I think I have tons of good reasons to do so... I wonder if I'm not gonna sell my tickets to Karlsruhe & Linz... Hey, R&F ! What happened to you ? Bicycle overdose ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: Re: (kw) update 2! Date: 03 Sep 1997 21:51:05 +0000 > > Hello! > > I just updated my KW-pages with seven more pictures this morning > (=F0urteen new images since last week).... > > I'd like some feedback before I do more updates > (How do you like my new design?) > your pages are cool, but why don't you post bigger images? ... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fer Subject: Re: (kw) Why a robot ? Date: 03 Sep 1997 22:15:52 +0200 >sure, and they will have an operating system called: Windows 2000 >(Beta Version) by William Gates II. Heheheh.... but this Gates is the III already ! :) -- Fer fgoiriz@arrakis.es "You're so close, but far away" aka. Werk. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "303@iname.com" <303@bigfoot.com> Subject: SV: (kw) What's that crap ?! Date: 03 Sep 1997 22:30:38 +0200 ®0|áÑð †b­ 303@iname.com T‡é Ù|†¡màtë Ðâñçêmª©h¡ñË™ http://www.kraftwerk.com > > Some of you might think that I take some perverse pleasure by > systematically bashing KW. Most of the time, it's only tongue-in-cheek > stuff, but this time, I think I have tons of good reasons to do so... > > I wonder if I'm not gonna sell my tickets to Karlsruhe & Linz... > > Hey, R&F ! What happened to you ? Bicycle overdose ? > > jbv > You r so fuckin right! Even I could have made that tune :) Strange that there are no vocals on it, they usually create great computer voices...Hmmmmm? We are the the robots (and we really need that upgrade chip from microsoft...) ///CC # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "303@iname.com" <303@bigfoot.com> Subject: SV: Message Bounce: SV: (kw) Papa what the fuck razzi my ass Date: 03 Sep 1997 22:33:39 +0200 ®0|áÑð †b­ 303@iname.com T‡é Ù|†¡màtë Ðâñçêmª©h¡ñË™ http://www.kraftwerk.com > >they pay right now are the self same people who rush out and buy > >the tabloids whenever there is a diana story. what breathtaking > >hypocrisy. > > > > > > > but, did Lady Di like Kraftwerk ??? > > if she didn't, i understand nothing.... > Agrrrrrrree on that! Stop blabbing about some fucking Princess - I dont give a shit! ///CC # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fer Subject: Re: (kw) What's that crap ? Date: 03 Sep 1997 22:44:18 +0200 > Second, why did you all get excited by that 30 min stamp- > sized joke ? > They really look ridiculous with thoose greenish suits and > cheap glasses ! Its a very funny joke... the TEE cover also looks ridiculous doesnt it? Jejejej I like that -- Fer fgoiriz@arrakis.es "You're so close, but far away" aka. Werk. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Subject: Re: (kw) What's that crap ? Date: 03 Sep 1997 22:57:48 +0200 jbv wrote: > First, the graphics on the site are awful (Emil, where are you ?)... > I agree, the whole site looks like a childs work. The graphics are just crap. I thought the whole idea with a site was to provide some information. Kraftwerk has ceartinly made great music in the past but this latest track is a disappointment. > They really look ridiculous with thoose greenish suits and cheap > glasses ! Well, I think they look pretty cool! > And as for the music, as a radio DJ, I wouldn't even use it as a > commercial background, or to just fill 1 min of blank until the news > or the weather forecasts... I have a demo of Doepfers analog MIDI sequencer and this simple Kraftwerk inspired track, made just to demo the sequencer, sounds more impressive than anything Kraftwerk has made since 1986 ! I really hope that any new album can prove me wrong, but I think that Kraftwerk should have quit in '86. Peter Kraftwerk, The Early Years '68 - '73 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gcl@sojourn.com Subject: (kw) AWESOME CD !!!! Kraftwerk Olympic Date: 03 Sep 1997 17:38:20 -0400 WOW!!! what an awesome CD... killer quality and killer sleeve = graphics.... you guys really made a first class product!! thanks! = It will have a place of honor in my Kraftwerk Collection. I was under the impression the 'new' song from the tribal gathering was = on it, but that's ok! no problem. It was worth the wait! thanks. Gary gcl@sojourn.com= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) What's that crap ? Date: 04 Sep 1997 00:11:07 +0200 At 21:36 1997-09-03 +0100, jbv wrote: >They really look ridiculous with thoose greenish suits and cheap >glasses ! Then you should have seen the pictures from 3sat Kulturzeit (as discussed earlier)..All long-haired and stoned-looking.. So fucking great!! >And I'm even sure the soundtrack has nothing to do with the movie : >they just cut some footage from a soundcheck or some rehearsal and >put some background noise on it. So!?.. Maybe they don't want pictures of the crowd in the video.. >And as for the music, as a radio DJ, I wouldn't even use it as a >commercial background, or to just fill 1 min of blank until the news >or the weather forecasts... Lucky me, i can't tune in to your radiostation.. >I wonder if I'm not gonna sell my tickets to Karlsruhe & Linz... Well.. stop wonder.. there are many others that deserve those tickets >Hey, R&F ! What happened to you ? Bicycle overdose ? Maybe a stupid fan made them pissed about life //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk and hotdogs... Date: 04 Sep 1997 00:21:21 +0200 Bring 'em out, cause it seems to be time for yet another flamewar... Has anything been decided on meeting each other in Karlsruhe? There was talk about arringing something at ZKM, any news on that? /aw # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Why a robot ? Date: 03 Sep 1997 16:45:35 -0600 (MDT) On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, Fer wrote: > >sure, and they will have an operating system called: Windows 2000 > >(Beta Version) by William Gates II. > > Heheheh.... but this Gates is the III already ! :) You mean 3.0. This is William Gates v3.0, and I'm sure v4.0 will be on the way some day soon. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) What's that crap ? Date: 04 Sep 1997 01:17:35 +0000 > And I'm even sure the soundtrack has nothing to do with the movie : > they just cut some footage from a soundcheck or some rehearsal and > put some background noise on it. mmmh... it seem well synced to me anyway... > I wonder if I'm not gonna sell my tickets to Karlsruhe & Linz... well, I'll buy the Karlsruhe one... seriously... no tongue in cheek, let me know. ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robotkl@earthlink.net (KL) Subject: (kw) New Music Date: 03 Sep 1997 20:09:08 -0600 Just a note as I know I have a few fans on this great list also, I plan to release my newest album "Music for Driving" October 1st if all goes well. It is done musically, just working on the art. always watching... Kevin Lux check out: http://home.earthlink.net/~robotkl/welcome.html Thank you. and may all who go to Karlsruhe have a GREAT time.... we all will be there in spirit!!!! ______________________________________________________ http://members.aol.com/KevinL1712/Music/KevinLux2.html Robot Music is now a reality!!!!!!!!! ______________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FUMIAKI.HOKARI@hakuhodo.co.jp Subject: (kw) He is a robot! Date: 03 Sep 1997 18:35:57 +0900 FUMIAKI HOKARI@HAKUHODO 97-09-03 18:35 For all kraftwerk kids. He is a robot! http://www.honda.co.jp/tech/other/robot.html HOKARI FUMIAKI tokyo,JAPAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: resin@tuna.net Subject: (kw) yamo promo/kraftwerk.com Date: 04 Sep 1997 08:35:45 +0600 >Record collectors may be interested that Cleopatra has issued a promo >CD for the forthcoming US release of the "Time Pie" album by Yamo. >I have no further infos about catalogue number etc., sorry. hello k list. last week i was lucky enough to hook up with the promo cd of time pie. (catalog CLP 0119-2) i thought it was out on import, so i didnt bother to share my excitement with the list. (i thought it was old news.) frankly, the record is dope as hell. wolfgang really did it. very techno lounge, alot of effects that you hear in jungle music (time streching, crazy filtering). the vocals are cool and funny. there are MANY references to the special K sounds of the past, but nothing like the rip off sound of elektric music. the first song (time pie) has the garbled computer voices like the end of computer world... "guiding ray" reminds me of the original "autobahn", but more insane. its more about driving out into space than on a highway in germany. there is also some crazy updated computer voices deep in the mix. mouse on mars definitly left there mark on this record! overall, i think everyone will be very happy listening to this cd, everyone that is exept two robotic germans known as the boys! this record is not the new kraftwerk, but if you love the vibe, it breaks the tension of our never ending wait. regarding the crappyness of www.kraftwerk.com- get out!! thats one of the coolest, freshest sites around. mabey you just dont know cool shit when you see it. respect to all the headz darren all terrain sound nyc. http://www.tuna.net/resin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) KW GIG Date: 04 Sep 1997 04:27:24 +0200 Hi, Did KW made Gigs in 1986-87? Did they played the Telephone Call live? Arnaud de Bonald Paris, France URL: http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: blanks@super.win.or.jp (BLANKS) Subject: Re: (kw) He is a robot! Date: 04 Sep 1997 11:52:47 +0900 At 6:35 PM 97.9.3 +0900, FUMIAKI.HOKARI@hakuhodo.co.jp wrote: >FUMIAKI HOKARI@HAKUHODO >97-09-03 18:35 > > >For all kraftwerk kids. > >He is a robot! > > >http://www.honda.co.jp/tech/other/robot.html Thank! FUMIAKI. This is very much exciting!!!! Sincerely yours. from Tokyo Japan SAKURA UNE PLACE SUR LA TERRE COMME AU CIEL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: j.sundstrom@ekuc.se (Jan Sundstrom) Subject: Re: (kw) KW GIG Date: 04 Sep 1997 11:00:03 +0200 bonald@worldnet.fr,Internet writes: >Did KW made Gigs in 1986-87? No, tickets were sold for some UK shows, but they cancelled. >Did they played the Telephone Call live? No. Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) update 2! Date: 04 Sep 1997 10:10:29 +0200 gpareja@cica.es,internet writes:=20 =20 >your pages are cool, but why don't you post bigger images? ...=20 =20 For two reasons; =20 1. it would take too long time to view/download the page.=20 2. I want the pages to have a good design, i.e. I try to adjust the=20 size of the images so that when I have two next to eachother they=20 should be of the same height. I also try to make the images fit a 14"=20 monitor screen. =20 2=BF. big images are not necessarily better than small ones (I think).=20 =20 What do other people think?=20 =20 I'll e-mail original sized images to anyone interested!=20 =20 CUL8R!=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 www.student.gu.se/~maka0067 =20 =20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re : (kw) Kraftwerk and hotdogs... Date: 04 Sep 1997 11:02:54 +0100 Anders Wilhelm wrote : >Has anything been decided on meeting each other in Karlsruhe? >There was talk about arringing something at ZKM, any news >on that? I don't really see any reason to organize a meeting : there's a terrible lack of girls on this meeting list.. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) What's that crap ? Date: 04 Sep 1997 10:03:04 GMT lbo@iol.it wrote: >well, I'll buy the Karlsruhe one... seriously... no tongue in=20 >cheek, let me know. don't be silly IBO, he won't sell his ticket! He's all gas. ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) What's that crap ? Date: 04 Sep 1997 10:02:52 GMT RoBoten wrote: >Lucky me, i can't tune in to your radiostation.. hahahaha. You are lucky indeed!! Have you ever listened to a French Radio station???? It's a mind numbing experience!! ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) The Return of Knee Man Machine!! Date: 04 Sep 1997 11:42:11 +0000 Hi Everyone, Well I have decided to return to work as the boredom of sitting at home is killing me while I am recovering from my knee Op. I thought that all UK residents will be interested to note that this Sunday (September 7th) at 18.30 on Channel 5 will be a review of Tribal Gathering. The trailer for the show didn't seem to play any KW, but who knows, I will record it anyway for anyone who may not have access to this channel. Well not much seems to have happened in the nearly three weeks I have been absent. Apart from the excitement in Europe over the Karlsrue gig I can't say that there has been too much interesting reading to come back to. I hope this list is not starting to get exhausted! Lets hope that KW don't decide to play France, look waht the press get upto over there trying to snap shot celebrities!!! See ya, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) H E L P ! Date: 04 Sep 1997 10:57:12 GMT Dirk V. Fellhauer wrote: >Does anybody know, where I could get two more cards for them ? Would be >very helpful !!!! Try jbv....he doesn't seem to want his tickets any more!!! ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) H E L P ! Date: 04 Sep 1997 13:11:20 +0100 Dirk V. Fellhauer wrote: >Does anybody know, where I could get two more cards for them ? Would be >very helpful !!!! Jules Seifert wrote : >Try jbv....he doesn't seem to want his tickets any more!!! As I said last week, I will sell those tickets in front of the concert hall on october 18 and at 3 times their price... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) What's that crap ? Date: 04 Sep 1997 13:50:46 +0100 RoBoten wrote: >Lucky me, i can't tune in to your radiostation.. Jules Seifert wrote : >hahahaha. You are lucky indeed!! Have you ever listened to a French >Radio station???? It's a mind numbing experience!! Possible... But where did "Radioactivity" play 5 days a week for 1 year at 5 pm as the generic of a major AM radio program back in 1976 ? And where did the "Radioactivity" single sell 1 million copies back in 1976 ? Think about it, young boy... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: (kw) re H-E-L-P Date: 04 Sep 1997 12:12:46 GMT jbv wrote: >But where did "Radioactivity" play 5 days a week for 1 year at 5 pm >as the generic of a major AM radio program back in 1976 ? >And where did the "Radioactivity" single sell 1 million copies back >in 1976 ? > >Think about it, young boy... hahahahaha......... And where did 'Joe le Taxi' come from then? ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mars.sjoestrand@stockholm.mail.telia.com Subject: Re: (kw) What's that crap ? Date: 04 Sep 1997 14:20:41 +0200 > > But where did "Radioactivity" play 5 days a week for 1 year at 5 pm > as the generic of a major AM radio program back in 1976 ? > And where did the "Radioactivity" single sell 1 million copies back > in 1976 ? I think that is strange, because it really flooped in US and UK. Or maybe I am wrong but is says so in the Guinnes book of rockstars. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Joe le Taxi Date: 04 Sep 1997 14:45:39 +0100 Jules Seifert wrote : >And where did 'Joe le Taxi' come from then? From Belgium, young boy. Please check your sources... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Re : "Radioactivity" Date: 04 Sep 1997 14:52:06 +0100 jbv wrote : > >> But where did "Radioactivity" play 5 days a week for 1 year at 5 pm >> as the generic of a major AM radio program back in 1976 ? >> And where did the "Radioactivity" single sell 1 million copies back >> in 1976 ? mars.sjoestrand wrote : >I think that is strange, because it really flooped in US and UK. >Or maybe I am wrong but is says so in the Guinnes book of rockstars. So what ? Do you think that only Americans and English have good taste ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) Joe le Taxi Date: 04 Sep 1997 15:15:52 +0200 >>And where did 'Joe le Taxi' come from then? >From Belgium, young boy. Please check your sources... OK, might be - but how about "Je t'aime" ??? BTW: There's only one version of 'Je t'aime' which is worth listening: "Jet'm" by Einstuerzende Neubauten. regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Joe le Taxi Date: 04 Sep 1997 15:14:38 +0100 jss@onestone.de wrote: > > >>And where did 'Joe le Taxi' come from then? > > >From Belgium, young boy. Please check your sources... > > OK, might be - but how about "Je t'aime" ??? uh ?????????????????????? Do you mean "je t'aime, moi non plus" by Gainsbourg & Birkin in 69 ? > > BTW: There's only one version of 'Je t'aime' which is worth listening: > "Jet'm" by Einstuerzende Neubauten. > If you say so... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tiger Moses Subject: (kw) Boing Boom Tschak at TG Date: 04 Sep 1997 08:19:33 -0500 Does anyone have this recorded in any format from Tribal Gathering. The RA files (via the BBC) are nice quality and I was hoping to find a similar recording of one of my favroite songs. Has a bootleg of the Whole Kraftwerk session shown up anywhere yet? Tiger Moses also tigster@geocities.com homepage www.blkbox.com/~tmoses/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) Joe le Taxi Date: 04 Sep 1997 15:29:44 +0200 > Do you mean "je t'aime, moi non plus" by Gainsbourg & Birkin in 69 ? Yes, I do. Anything wrong with it ? regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FUMIAKI.HOKARI@hakuhodo.co.jp Subject: (kw) He is a robot!! Date: 04 Sep 1997 21:28:41 +0900 FUMIAKI HOKARI@HAKUHODO 97-09-04 21:28 For all kraftwerk kids. He is a robot! http://www.honda.co.jp/tech/other/robot.html HOKARI FUMIAKI tokyo,JAPAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: SV: (kw) Joe le Taxi Date: 04 Sep 1997 15:36:13 +-200 -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: jbv=20 Skickat: den 4 september 1997 15:46 Till: kraftwerk@xmission.com =C4mne: (kw) Joe le Taxi Jules Seifert wrote : >And where did 'Joe le Taxi' come from then? From Belgium, young boy. Please check your sources... jbv BELGIUM!!!!!!?????? Vanessa Paradis from Belgium!!??? Well.. born in Paris 22 of December 1972 doesn=B4t make you Belgian, does it ?? ;-) Uffe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Re: Joe le Taxi Date: 04 Sep 1997 15:51:42 +0100 Jules Seifert wrote: > > jbv wrote: > > >>From Belgium, young boy. Please check your sources... > > she was french , no? > Yes, and she still is, as far as I know. BUT, she was "discovered" by a belgian producer. The production as well as the initial record company were from Brussels. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tobias Thelen Subject: (kw) Wolfgang Fluer - "Geschmackssache" Date: 04 Sep 1997 01:35:26 +0200 Hi out there, last week Wolfgang Flues featured on the Viva-2 (German Music channel comparable to VH-1) "Geschmackssache" series, where musicians present their favourite videos. He stated taht he did't like music videos because they destroyed one's imagination of a song, but he was very proud when they produced their first videos. The 50-minute show consisted of 11 videos interrupted by short interview sequences in which he explained why he had chosen that video. Here's his choice (with short summaries of his comments, maybe someone transscribed them totally?): - Kraftwerk: Die Roboter - Herbie Hanckock: Rockit (A video that pushed a song not being an hit for itself.) - Bjoerk: Human Behaviour (As a perfect example of expressing the song's message via visual media.) - The Beatles: Free as a bird (For he'd always attracted by voices, the Beatle's ones especially.) - Julian Lennon: Salt water (He likes nature very much and the idea of nature recapturing the human world attracts him.) - The Bionaut: Vitagraph - Yamo: Stereomatic - Elektric Music: Crosstalk - Sheryl Crow: All I wanna do (A video that did fit perfectly to his intuitive imagination after having heard the song for the first time.) - Smoke City - Under water love - Mouse on Mars -Bib Later that day Viva-2 aired the Comet-awards where Kraftwerk won the "Special price of the jury of the Branchen-award". Surely a price that nobody wants to win (another winner for example were Levis for best ad campaign,... All that self-celebrating stuff of an industry that lost innocence many years ago). So it wasn't a surprise that none of the Kraftwerk members was there, but only a guy from EMI who said: "I'm not surprised that Kraftwerk won this award, because many of today's groups name them as a source of inspiration. I'm sorry that noone from Kraftwerk can be here today, I'll hand this award over to them, but not before they delivered their new album. We all hope this will be soon, ." Does this statement show the EMI is tired announcing and cancelling Kraftwerk Albums or was that just a (not very clever) trick to speed up things? If it wasn't a lie (and EMI plans a "surprise release"), waht would be the earliest date an album coud be released, if they delivered their stuff *today*? Tschuess, Tobias % --------------------------------------------------------------------- Tobias Thelen Email: tthelen@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de WWW: http:/www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~nntthele Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darueber muss man schweigen. Wittgenstein # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (kw) Wolfgang Fluer - "Geschmackssache" Date: 04 Sep 1997 18:02:09 +0100 The earliest possible conventional release date for the album would be at least 6 weeks from delivery of the finished master tapes which require no additional mixing etc... this is purely for CD release only, as DATS would have to be delivered to pressing plants, test CDs made and checked, and then mass manufactured. Cassettes could be out in a much shorter time, and vinyl equally so. (test pressings of vinyl arevery rare these days due to a lack of demand). Presumably, Kraftwerk could also finalise cover art in that 6 week period with enough time to enable proofs and sleeve to be completed. According to some sources EMI have heard unfinished mixes of 3 tracks in the UK, but are not worried about a release date. The band are modest sellers even with new material, and I expect EMI will not push Ralf, Florian, Fritz and Henning to produce new material. Lackiing a finiacial imperative K-w may simply re-re-re-remix material and never release it until Doomsday.. Confusion over the new track.... well, If K-w had produced nothing between 1975-1986 imagine the shock with the difference in styles between Radioactivity and Electric Cafe. We may very well experience a similar leap in styles with the new stuff. I guess the album would ahve an Internet/ Communication Theme.. Finally, the Terminator thread... the day Skynet became self-aware due to Terminator mythology was 7:14am GMT on August 29th 1997... either it was all Hokum or Arnie did his job well and eliminated all traces of The Terminartors in early 90's USa. Therefore, we will never know if the film is true or not. Robotronik.... Mark In message <340DF43E.31A806C6@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de>, Tobias Thelen writes > >Hi out there, > >Does this statement show the EMI is tired announcing and cancelling >Kraftwerk Albums or was that just a (not very clever) trick to speed up >things? If it wasn't a lie (and EMI plans a "surprise release"), waht >would be the earliest date an album coud be released, if they delivered >their stuff *today*? > >Tschuess, >Tobias > -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Viva Comet - Die Hits der Sieger" Date: 04 Sep 1997 20:43:18 +0000 > last week Wolfgang Flues featured on the Viva-2 (German Music channel > comparable to VH-1) "Geschmackssache" series, where musicians present > their favourite videos. > Here's his choice > - Kraftwerk: Die Roboter Did they play the original version from 1978 or the version from 1991? > Later that day Viva-2 aired the Comet-awards where Kraftwerk won the > "Special price of the jury of the Branchen-award". BTW: Warner issued a CD compilation, "Viva Comet - Die Hits der Sieger", which includes songs from all Comet winners, with the exception of you-guess-who. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Luxembourg 1981 livetape Date: 04 Sep 1997 20:43:18 +0000 There is a Kraftwerk livetape from Luxembourg, 13.12.1981 in circulation (length: 30 minutes), but I suspect that it could be in fact from Utrecht, 10.12.1981. Is anybody able to confirm this? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) CMJ Music Convention Date: 04 Sep 1997 20:43:18 +0000 Wolfgang Fluer is expected to make an appearance at the CMJ music convention in New York this Saturday. Is anyone going to see him, and if so, could he or she please post a report? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Virgo/Ae Subject: Re: (kw) What's that crap ? Date: 04 Sep 1997 20:38:08 -0100 mars.sjoestrand@stockholm.mail.telia.com wrote: > > > > > But where did "Radioactivity" play 5 days a week for 1 year at 5 pm > > as the generic of a major AM radio program back in 1976 ? > > And where did the "Radioactivity" single sell 1 million copies back > > in 1976 ? > > I think that is strange, because it really flooped in US and UK. > Or maybe I am wrong but is says so in the Guinnes book of rockstars. well, i can assure you that here in italy they met a big success during '70s/early '80s.... also, i can remember some of their best songs played a bunch of times at radio, tv and major music festivals (even into juke-boxes!). btw: i'm new in this mailing list and, since i've been a great kraftwerk fan for a very long time, i'd like to take this occasion to ask people in which countries kraftwerk were really famous during this period. i mean, in which ones local people knew them (and bought some of their lp's! :). cya. -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- -=< Virgo.Ae@MindlesS.CoM >=- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. > # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fer Subject: Re: (kw) What's that crap ? Date: 04 Sep 1997 21:23:10 +0200 They seem to be getting famous in Spain NOW (!) I have surprised myself a lot of times entering in Spanish IRC channels and most of the people knowing who Kraftwerk are! PS: The album they all seem to know is TEE -- Fer fgoiriz@arrakis.es "You're so close, but far away" aka. Werk. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Geoff Watson Subject: (kw) The 12" box set Date: 04 Sep 1997 22:52:28 +0100 Any collectors looking for the elusive 12" box set should check out Music and Video Exchanges site at www.demon.co.uk/mveshops/musicshell.htm Start saving or sell your wife and kids (and beat me to the shop tomorrow !) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tobias Thelen Subject: (kw) Re: "Viva Comet - Die Hits der Sieger" Date: 04 Sep 1997 23:47:59 +0200 >> last week Wolfgang Flues featured on the Viva-2 (German Music channel >> comparable to VH-1) "Geschmackssache" series, where musicians present >> their favourite videos. >> Here's his choice >> - Kraftwerk: Die Roboter >Did they play the original version from 1978 or the version from 1991? I don't know the 1991 version, but on-screen information said it was from 1978 and as there was nothing in it that couldn't have been from this time... >> Later that day Viva-2 aired the Comet-awards where Kraftwerk won the >> "Special price of the jury of the Branchen-award". >BTW: Warner issued a CD compilation, "Viva Comet - Die Hits der Sieger", >which includes songs from all Comet winners, with the exception of >you-guess-who. There's a difference between the "Comet award" and the "Comet Branchen Award" as the latter is for special achievements in music industry like marketing, management... No other artist or single song than Kraftwerk was "honored" with this award, so I guess the CD only refers to the "Comet award". Tschuess, Tobias % --------------------------------------------------------------------- Tobias Thelen Email: tthelen@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de WWW: http:/www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~nntthele Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darueber muss man schweigen. Wittgenstein # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) GASP !!!! 10,000 times GASP !!!! Date: 04 Sep 1997 23:51:29 +0100 STOP !!!! HOLD ON !!!! ALERT !!! ACHTUNG !!! ALARM !!!! Do you remember the following posts from today mornng : >Dirk V. Fellhauer wrote: > >>Does anybody know, where I could get two more cards for them ? Would be >>very helpful !!!! > >Jules Seifert wrote : > >>Try jbv....he doesn't seem to want his tickets any more!!! > jbv wrote : > >As I said last week, I will sell those tickets in front of the concert >hall on october 18 and at 3 times their price... > >jbv So, I just received a private message, saying that someone could be interested in the deal, and even proposed to send the money in advance ! AND I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE MY EYES !!! (of course, as it was private mail, i won't tell who that was). OK, people : let me tell you a couple of stories (yes, daddy-jbv is back). STORY 1 : In nov / dec 91, KW did a few gigs in Europe. Unfortunately, I missed the show in Paris (I had to go to some funerals on that day). But I managed to see them in Zurich a couple of days later. So I took a day off, flew to Zurich, and when I got there I tried to find a ticket. Of course, it was sold out long time ago. So the only thing I could do was to buy a ticket on the black market. And shortly before the show, in the cold night, just in front the concert hall, I found a guy (he was fat and had a beard - is he on this list ?) who sold me a ticket at THREE TIMES THE REGULAR PRICE. I know : some of you will think "if this guy can fly to Zurich just to see a concert, he can afford to pay that much for a ticket". Sure, but this is not the problem. I want you to know that I find this kind of behaviour really DISGUSTING. And once again, I'm really AMAZED to see that some of you could think I was serious when I publically offered that kind of deal !!!!!! Actually, if you come across such disgusting people in Karlsruhe, what I'm expecting you to do is to smash his f*cking face !!! But yes, I know that some people want to see KW live at any cost... But please, think for one second : did you see the piece of crap they published on their Web site ? Do you really want to spend 50 DM x3 = 150 DM to see a bunch of old has beens showing up in green-salad suits and ridiculous glasses (they don't even have sexy legs) pretending they are the godfathers of techno ? Why don't you take your girlfriend to a nice restaurant instead, and make plans for the future with her ? STORY 2 : I actually ordered 4 tickets to Linz and 4 to Karlruhe. I'm planing to take a friend from Paris who is a big fan of them for years but who never saw them live. On the way, we will pick up another friend of mine who lives in Switzerland and who loves them since 1973 but still never had a chance to see them live. And last but not least : my new girlfriend (who is 24 and from Minsk, Belarus) is a big fan of Depeche Mode. A couple of months ago, as she was here, I played for her a few KW albums (especially THE MIX) and explained that these guys started everything 23 years ago, that they invented techno-pop, techno, hot water and all kind of sweet things, and that Depeche Mode or gary Numan were only f*cking imitators / followers. But she kept saying that THE MIX had nothing to do with techno, that R&F were only a couple of has beens trying to keep in tune at any cost with what's going on these days, etc. etc. So I decided to take her to live gigs to make her education. I just managed to get her a visa to Schengen (not so easy these days) and I'm presently trying to get her a short stay visa to Austria. So We should pick her up at Frankfurt airport on our way to Linz (unless she manages to fly to Paris before that). All this stuff to tell you that there's no ticket available on my side and that i'm very sorry to disapoint you guys... But as you can see, this is really Trans Europe Express... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: Re : (kw) Kraftwerk and hotdogs... Date: 04 Sep 1997 23:51:54 +0100 On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, jbv wrote: > > I don't really see any reason to organize a meeting : there's a terrible > lack of girls on this meeting list.. > > jbv > Jessica wrote : >Hey! I'm a girl! If you wanna buy me a plane ticket and concert ticket >I'll gladly go to the meet! :p Where do you live ? And what do you look like ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: Re : (kw) Kraftwerk and hotdogs... Date: 04 Sep 1997 18:32:13 -0400 (EDT) >> I don't really see any reason to organize a meeting : there's a terrible >> lack of girls on this meeting list.. >> jbv >Jessica wrote : >Hey! I'm a girl! If you wanna buy me a plane ticket and concert ticket >I'll gladly go to the meet! :p >>Where do you live ? And what do you look like ? >>jbv "What do you look like?" Gee whiz, and I thought only us Americans were supposed to be shallow. ;-) -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "She's a model and she's looking good, maybe I'll buy her a plane ticket too.." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) GASP !!!! 10,000 times GASP !!!! Date: 04 Sep 1997 18:05:17 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, jbv wrote: > Do you really want to spend 50 DM x3 = > 150 DM to see a bunch of old has beens showing up in green-salad suits > and ridiculous glasses I thought the suits were a cool idea. Reminds me of Tron in some ways. > (they don't even have sexy legs) pretending > they are the godfathers of techno ? They don't need to pretend. They are. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: marcuswag@juno.com (MARCUS WAGSTAFF) Date: 05 Sep 1997 00:43:01 EDT Hello to everyone in cyberspace. My name is Marcus Wagstaff and I am a NEW member of this mailing list! I look forward to some good discussions. I am happily married to a wonderful woman named Rebekah. We have three young sons and we live in Tempe, AZ, USA. We are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and I went on a mission to Ohio. My sister, Jessica, is on this list too, so if any of you DO get her a ticket to Germany, treat her in a gentlemanly manner or I will have to set you straight. ;~) My first exposure to Kraftwerk was a short animation video I saw on HBO back around 1981. It was an animation of an alien running around and flying through space. The soundtrack was awesome. I read the credits at the end and found out the soundtrack was a song called "Autobahn" by some band called Kraftwerk. I went right out and got the LP. The rest is history. Computerworld is my number one fave, followed by The Mix and then Electric Cafe. The Man Machine is very good also. I got Pascal Bussey's book for Christmas last year from my brother. I found Pascal's representation of Ralf and Florian interesting and enjoyable. To me, their music is futuristic, antiseptic, and driving. I used to listen to tapes of their music as I delivered papers early in the morning. Every time I hear Computerworld, I remember pedalling through the November chill, pre-dawn dark in the suburbs of Tempe, tossing the Arizona Republic on peoples' doorsteps. I think R&F are indeed coming out with one more release eventually. It will be a "MIX 2" type of thing with one or two new tracks. The thing that's gotten in their way of being more prolific is their quest for the "perfect pop song for all the tribes of the global village". The way I see it, writing the perfect song is impossible. Music creates moods and inspires us in positive and negative ways. Music is the language of our creative spirit. Since we are all unique, there can be no song that touches us equally. (Look at the spectrum of music: classical, electronic, country, rock and roll, polka, punk, industrial, ska, religious, tribal, etc. etc. etc.) That's the beauty about us humans; we all share similarities, but we are all unique individuals. The PERFECT song does not exist, at least not in this dimension. So I think these guys have written lots of material that they don't deem worthy of releasing. Just read about Electric Cafe and Bartos' frustration at the slow pace - five years of work for 43 minutes of music - in Bussey's book. These must have been lots of material that was considered, worked on, then set aside as not worthy of the Kraftwerk mark. If Ralf and Florian do "scan the audience with cool eyes" looking for reactions for their material, they are very sensitive to what others think of their musical expression. Anyway, I am glad to be on the list. Here are a couple questions you might be able to answer for me: 1. Who are the two other guys with Ralf and Florian in the Luton video clip? 2. Does anyone know where I could get a copy of House Call? 3. Are these concert tapes mentioned worth getting ahold of? All I have in my collection is Capitol vinyl, the Mix CD and the Robots CD single. Thanks much and take care. - Marcus 8^) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ZAWREL Johann / GFW Subject: (kw) LINZ-Concert Date: 05 Sep 1997 06:42:00 +0200 You can buy tickets for the Linz-Gig in every branch of 'BankAustria' ( in Austria :-) ). Johann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Re: Date: 05 Sep 1997 01:09:26 -0400 (EDT) >My name is Marcus Wagstaff and I am a NEW member of this mailing list! I >look forward to some good discussions. Welcome to the list, Marcus! >Here are a couple questions you might be able to answer for me: >1. Who are the two other guys with Ralf and Florian in the Luton video >clip? I believe that'd be Henning and Fritz, the same two gents that accompanied R&F onstage during their Mix tour. >2. Does anyone know where I could get a copy of House Call? If you're referring to "House Phone", it can be found on the 12" single of 'The Telephone Call'. >3. Are these concert tapes mentioned worth getting ahold of? All I have >in my collection is Capitol vinyl, the Mix CD and the Robots CD single. Bootleg concert recordings all experience varying degrees of sound quality, ranging anywhere from poor recordings made my audience members with their pocket tape recorders to excellent quality recordings taken direct from the sound board. It's a good idea to inquire about a particular bootleg on the list first before purchasing it, since many of us already own them and can probably advise you as to the sound quality. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SeJ@asu.edu Subject: Re: Re : (kw) Kraftwerk and hotdogs... Date: 04 Sep 1997 13:58:44 -0700 (MST) On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, jbv wrote: > > Anders Wilhelm wrote : > > >Has anything been decided on meeting each other in Karlsruhe? > >There was talk about arringing something at ZKM, any news > >on that? > > I don't really see any reason to organize a meeting : there's a terrible > lack of girls on this meeting list.. > > jbv > Hey! I'm a girl! If you wanna buy me a plane ticket and concert ticket I'll gladly go to the meet! :p Jessica # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mario Laros Subject: (kw) Multimedia CD Date: 05 Sep 1997 10:15:20 +0200 OK, everyone is waiting for the new KW album which should be out this month (???, have to see it first!). Well, I was thinking that after 10 years they must have had enough time to create lot's of stuff for a double one. And as time has changed with all the computers they sung about in 1981, it would be nice if they would use that by producing a multimedia album: an audio CD with the new tracks and a CD with video material, pictures, live audio etc. etc. That would be really nice. bye ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From : Ing. J.M.W. Laros (Mario) DIMES - Delft University of Technology Feldmannweg 17, 2628 CT Delft P.O. Box 5053, 2600 GB Delft The Netherlands Phone : +31 (0)15-2787197 (office) +31 (0)15-2788317 (cleanroom) Fax : +31 (0)15-2622163 E-mail: laros@dimes.tudelft.nl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Harald Westphal) Subject: (kw) Wolfgang Fluer / Geschmacksache Date: 05 Sep 1997 11:24:26 +0200 (CES) According to Tobias Thelen: > >> Here's his choice > >> - Kraftwerk: Die Roboter > >Did they play the original version from 1978 or the version from 1991? > I don't know the 1991 version, but on-screen information said it was > from 1978 and as there was nothing in it that couldn't have been from > this time... It was the 1991 version with the mechanical robots (and without Wolfgang Fluer). The on-screen info was wrong. -- Harald Westphal *** eMail Harald.Westphal@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de -- "Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, programmier' die Zukunft mir." -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) Re: "Viva Comet - Die Hits der Sieger" Date: 05 Sep 1997 19:23:38 +1000 Tobias Thelen wrote: > >Did they play the original version from 1978 or the version from > 1991? > > I don't know the 1991 version, but on-screen information said it was > from 1978 and as there was nothing in it that couldn't have been from > this time... The 1991 'Robots' has robots that look like Kraftwerk...., and the 1978 'Robots' has Kraftwerk loooking like .....er well.........robots. I only have 30secs of the 1978 'Robots' video from a short French TV interview with Ralf and I would dearly love to get a copy of the full clip. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) The 12" box set Date: 05 Sep 1997 19:33:22 +1000 Geoff Watson wrote: > Any collectors looking for the elusive 12" box set should check out > Music and Video Exchanges site at > www.demon.co.uk/mveshops/musicshell.htm > > Start saving or sell your wife and kids (and beat me to the shop > tomorrow !) MY GOD !!!!! - no peice of vinyl or digital is worth that much money. For 450 UK pounds I would expect Ralf AND Florian to deliver it in person to me here in Sydney. How can anyone justify such a cost? It this even a legal KlingKlang release? I dearly hope that Kraftwerk have not lowered themselves to the 'collectors' market of limited releases. It just makes fine musik a money driven commodity. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Date: 05 Sep 1997 19:42:29 +1000 Anders Wilhelm wrote: > > > > > Here is an update of the "meeting-people-list" : Do we have a similar list of Linz people ?. Since it means travelling about 10,000 miles for me to get to Karlsruhe, I'm doing Linz as well. Adam Sydney # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Luca Dassi Subject: (kw) KW Video Collection Date: 05 Sep 1997 14:57:47 +0100 Does ANYONE have a good collection of KW videos? Or maybe just a good recording of a single one? We could put together the ultimate KW video collection! It's just a matter of collecting good video sources, overdubbing original CD sound (in stereo) and producing a handful of copies for the faithful listwerkers. I think I have all the needed equipment...I only need the source material. BTW I'm not a professional so probably someone else has got better expertise and equipment. How does this sound? regards, Luca Dassi Italy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fer Subject: Re: (kw) KW Video Collection Date: 05 Sep 1997 15:25:09 +0200 >How does this sound? Sounds great pulllleeeeeeezeeeeeeee do it!!!!!!!!!!! I dont have any video myself... in fact I havent ever see a Kw video ! -- Fer fgoiriz@arrakis.es "You're so close, but far away" aka. Werk. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thorsten Dowe Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk in Kulturzeit on 3SAT Date: 05 Sep 1997 15:33:15 +0200 Hi! I was watching the Kulturzeit-telecast yesterday (yes, Oliver, I taped it, but I think I can=B4t make a copy as I have only one VCR), have to sa= y something about that: There was an interview with a music-journalist, forgot the name. He stated, that since Kraftwerk became famous, it couldn=B4t get worse anymore. So, don=B4t misunderstand me: I=B4m not offended because he does= n=B4t like the same music like me, but what bothers me is: How can a man like this really earn money with saying something stupid? He stated, that as it is so easy to buy all the equipment in a shop, it would be very easy to make it in the music-biz. Something like: If you don=B4t play a guitar or a violin, you are no musician. Because that=B4s = no art. You only go to the shop, buy a synthi and the rest will follow. So I wonder why he is still a music-journalist and no famous musician. I don=B4t like these guys telling me that playing a synthesizer is not making music. I don=B4t play any instrument ( played a violin when i was six years old), but I know that this is wrong and he did understand nothing at all. Once a DJ (Kid Paul) in Berlin said in a radio-show: "It=B4s all about nice melodies." He=B4s absolutely right. It doesn=B4t matter if it=B4s electronic or strings, old or innovative, independent or main-stream. The only thing that count=B4s is a nice melody to make you happy (or sad, if you like that more). And as I wrote Nexus when I got the CD, sometimes the music of KW makes me really happy, and shiver, when I hear the crowd screaming before the bass-line goes... see ya in Karlsruhe, Thorsten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Date: 05 Sep 1997 13:16:39 +0100 Adam Read wrote: > > Anders Wilhelm wrote: > > > > > > > > Here is an update of the "meeting-people-list" : > > Do we have a similar list of Linz people ?. Since it means travelling > about 10,000 miles for me to get to Karlsruhe, I'm doing Linz as well. > > Adam > Sydney > No kidding ? Are you really gonna make the trip ? Man, I LOVE the idea ! Could you bring me something from Sydney (I still don't know what, but I will let you know shortly - and don't worry : it won't be expensive or heavy, and i will refund any fee involved). Jeez ! From sunny Sydney to cold Karlsruhe just for KW... Are you planing to travel by boat ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ole Brunes Subject: (kw) Money Date: 05 Sep 1997 15:57:36 +0200 Hello Everybody. I was just wondering when i order things on the internet and from other persons how can i pay them when i dont have a creditcard. Im from Norway by the way. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) The new track Date: 05 Sep 1997 14:14:01 +0100 jbv wrote:- >And as for the music, as a radio DJ, I wouldn't even use it as a >commercial background, or to just fill 1 min of blank until the news >or the weather forecasts... It's great that the sound samples etc have been made available, but they cannot compare to the way this track sounded live over a full PA. The sounds Kraftwerk created were, as always, just right. Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Date: 05 Sep 1997 18:39:42 +0200 (MEST) Hi! On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Adam Read wrote: > Do we have a similar list of Linz people ?. Since it means travelling > about 10,000 miles for me to get to Karlsruhe, I'm doing Linz as well. As I posted this a few days ago: I will try to organize a mailing list meeting and also of course a Linz gig - list update: OK! Everyone who will come to see Kraftwerk in Linz, will (I think so) also be interested in a meeting of the mailing list members. For most of us, this will be the first (or perhaps also the last) possibility to meet each other. Please mail me privately at alpezi@zilli.priv.at Greetings from Linz zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re : (kw) The new track Date: 05 Sep 1997 20:29:19 +0100 jbv wrote:- >And as for the music, as a radio DJ, I wouldn't even use it as a >commercial background, or to just fill 1 min of blank until the news >or the weather forecasts... Kevin busby wrote : >It's great that the sound samples etc have been made available, but they >cannot compare to the way this track sounded live over a full PA. The >sounds Kraftwerk created were, as always, just right. Anything played once every 6 years at a high volume and in front of a crowd of devoted fans will ALWAYS sound right. In a sense, that's why musicians and mixing engineers always test their mixes on cheap equipment (Auratones, etc.). If it sounds great at a low volume on such cheap gear, it will sound even better on high quality gear and at a high volume. Things work like that, and not the other way around. That's why I think the 30 sec QT movie is a good test. And IMHO, it sounds like crap. no hard feelings, jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Date: 05 Sep 1997 20:38:19 +0100 Alexander Peter Zillner wrote: >OK! Everyone who will come to see Kraftwerk in Linz, will (I think so) >also be interested in a meeting of the mailing list members. For most of >us, this will be the first (or perhaps also the last) possibility to meet >each other. Who will pay for the drinks ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Date: 06 Sep 1997 00:31:01 +0200 Several seperate list updates were mailed therefore I edited them into a new one. additions: please update your mail before adding your name to be sure you add it to the latest version. 1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com 2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de 3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com 4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net 5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net 6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se 7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at 8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl 9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de 10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com 11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de 12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no 13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl 14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl 15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl 16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl 17 Maureen Jansen - 18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl 19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de 20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org 21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se 22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se 23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se 24 Rickard Hidefj=E4ll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se 25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org 26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org 27 Conny Fornb=E4ck conny.annica@wineasy.se 28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se =20 additions: please update your mail before adding your name to be sure you add it to the latest version. p.s. for as what I know there are least two girls listed, one is the girlfriend of a friend of mine and the other is my own girlfriend (too bad guys). Dolf 0000,0000,8080Dolf 0000,8080,8080 / / Dolf Wiemer, the Netherlands ----/---/---- http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo / / twingo@xs4all.nl, # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colatina Radio Som Ltda." <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) BRAZILIAN FAN COMMING!! Date: 04 Sep 1997 19:52:38 -0300 Hi, KRAFTmaniacs ! I am brazilian radialist, fanatic for KRAFTs music ! This is my first message in "mailing list". I have 3 video-tapes (bootlegs) for trade. This material are available for duplication (system NTSC or PAL-M) VHS format. The videos was recorded live in Belgium, England and Holand.(All The Mix Tour)91-92 I want other videos (more olds) with Karl Bartos and Wolfgang Flur. Bye !! Boing ! Bum ! TSCHAK !!!! EDUARDO MONTEIRO from BRASIL 97fm@colatina.com.br # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW Video Collection Date: 05 Sep 1997 19:38:21 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Luca Dassi wrote: > Does ANYONE have a good collection of KW videos? Or maybe just a good > recording of a single one? I have a reasonably good recording of the Telephone Call video. I taped it from MuchMusic so it has the title overlaid at the end. Also it's in mono because my VCR is mono. > We could put together the ultimate KW video collection! Sounds like an idea, but is it legal? I'll wait and see how much support there is for the idea before I say anything more. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk in Kulturzeit on 3SAT Date: 06 Sep 1997 12:42:14 +0300 Thorsten Dowe wrote: > There was an interview with a music-journalist, forgot the name. He > stated, that since Kraftwerk became famous, it couldn=B4t get worse > anymore. So, don=B4t misunderstand me: I=B4m not offended because he do= esn=B4t > like the same music like me, but what bothers me is: How can a man like > this really earn money with saying something stupid? > He stated, that as it is so easy to buy all the equipment in a shop, it > would be very easy to make it in the music-biz. Something like: If you > don=B4t play a guitar or a violin, you are no musician. Because that=B4= s no > art. You only go to the shop, buy a synthi and the rest will follow. So > I wonder why he is still a music-journalist and no famous musician. > I don=B4t like these guys telling me that playing a synthesizer is not > making music. I don=B4t play any instrument ( played a violin when i wa= s > six years old), but I know that this is wrong and he did understand > nothing at all. I thought this breed of music journalists died long ago.=20 It seems I was wrong :-( There was also another breed of music journalists who said it's pretentious and tiresome if someone plays an instrument exceptionally well and shows it. Both of them are wrong. > Once a DJ (Kid Paul) in Berlin said in a radio-show: "It=B4s all about > nice melodies." He=B4s absolutely right.=20 Well, melody is just one aspect of music, don't you agree? For example, I don't like Boing Boom Tschak because of the melody. >It doesn=B4t matter if it=B4s > electronic or strings, old or innovative, independent or main-stream. > The only thing that count=B4s is a nice melody to make you happy (or sa= d, > if you like that more). I partially agree, but would like to rephrase it like this:=20 It doesn=B4t matter if it=B4s electronic or strings, old or innovative, independent or main-stream. If you like it, you like it. If you don't, you don't. And one's opinion can change. Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Nice melodies" Date: 06 Sep 1997 13:27:06 +0000 > Once a DJ (Kid Paul) in Berlin said in a radio-show: "It=B4s all about > nice melodies." He=B4s absolutely right. Is he? So what would he say about Schoenberg? > The only thing that count=B4s is a nice melody to make you happy (or sad= , > if you like that more). This statement may fit for the music of the 18. century, but it is hardly valid for the 20. century. I always found it ironic and self-contradicting that the so-called musical innovators Kraftwerk, who like to critizise classical music as "anachronistic museum pieces", have an extremely classical approach to melody. :-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@jolly.iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) He is a robot! Date: 06 Sep 1997 03:35:49 +0000 > >He is a robot! > > > > > >http://www.honda.co.jp/tech/other/robot.html hello .jp fellows and thanks for the link! could you give a translation of the text, if you think is relevant, because I only see a lot of strange characters (not that I can read ideograms anyway... :-) ). ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@jolly.iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) The Return of Knee Man Machine!! Date: 06 Sep 1997 03:35:50 +0000 > Lets hope that KW don't decide to play France, look waht the press > get upto over there trying to snap shot celebrities!!! yes, and hear what their french fans say... :-) ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@jolly.iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Date: 06 Sep 1997 03:35:53 +0000 > Who will pay for the drinks ? Kraftwerk and their fans are supposed to be sober, aren't they? anyway I'll be glad to be in Linz, but I could decide only at last (that's why I did not bought the Karlsruhe ticket in advance...) ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: Re: (kw) He is a robot! Date: 06 Sep 1997 18:59:28 +0000 > > > >He is a robot! > > > > > > > > >http://www.honda.co.jp/tech/other/robot.html > > hello .jp fellows and thanks for the link! could you give a > translation of the text, if you think is relevant, because I only see > a lot of strange characters (not that I can read ideograms anyway... > :-) ). but the main question is: does it include airbag ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: blanks@super.win.or.jp (BLANKS) Subject: Re: (kw) He is a robot! Date: 07 Sep 1997 02:30:59 +0900 At 3:35 AM 97.9.6 +0000, lbo@jolly.iol.it wrote: >> >He is a robot! >> > >> > >> >http://www.honda.co.jp/tech/other/robot.html > >hello .jp fellows and thanks for the link! could you give a >translation of the text, if you think is relevant, because I only see >a lot of strange characters (not that I can read ideograms anyway... :-) ). Hi Ibo. Why don't you go this english-page as below? :-) http://www.honda.co.jp/home/hpr/e_news/robot/index.html Sincerely yours. from Tokyo Japan SAKURA UNE PLACE SUR LA TERRE COMME AU CIEL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leon Mols Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Date: 06 Sep 1997 19:55:48 +0200 lbo@jolly.iol.it wrote: > > Who will pay for the drinks ? > > Kraftwerk and their fans are supposed to be sober, aren't they? Oops, I guess I'm not a real fan then :-) Leon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Subject: Re: (kw) GASP !!!! 10,000 times GASP !!!! Date: 06 Sep 1997 21:12:07 +0200 jbv wrote: > But please, think for one second : did you see the piece of crap they > published on their Web site ? Do you really want to spend 50 DM x3 = > 150 DM to see a bunch of old has beens showing up in green-salad suits > and ridiculous glasses (they don't even have sexy legs) pretending > they are the godfathers of techno ? > Why don't you take your girlfriend to a nice restaurant instead, and > make plans for the future with her ? I had plans to go to Karlsruhe...but I saw them in Stockholm '91 and that new song is crap. But people seems to think that disliking that new material meens that you dislike Kraftwerk. That is not the case, you can admire Kraftwerks previous work and dislike the 30 second video! > But she kept saying that THE MIX had nothing to do with techno, that > R&F were only a couple of has beens trying to keep in tune at any cost > with what's going on these days, etc. etc. I've tried to tell younger people about the greatness of Kraftwerk, but often they just saying "so what?". Kraftwerk was a real influential power in the seventies, but younger forces have since then developed their ideas. Visiting a Kraftwerk consert today is like going to a KISS consert, great tunes from the past. I really would like to see Kraftwerk again hoping they play their old songs, but the new stuff I'm afraid will disappoint me. I've spent a lot of time listening to Kraftwerk and reading the postings to this list, but I'm begining to feel like those pathetic Elvis fans who refuses to grow up and put their energy into something more living. I think jbv with his postings really has come close to the feelings that a lot of members to this list have. Peter Kraftwerk, The Early Years '68 - '73 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Rumour Date: 06 Sep 1997 21:37:31 +0000 Found at de.rec.music.elektronisch: > unbestaetigten geruechten zurfolge (wie immer bei KW) soll in karlsruhe > das neue album vorgestellt werden und zwar mit mehr als einem stueck. ;) > ausserdem soll das konzert laenger sein, als das beim tribal gathering, bei dem > sie nicht soviel zeit hatten, wie sie benoetigten. It is rumoured that Kraftwerk will play more new songs from their forthcoming album in Karlsruhe. It is also reported that the concert will be longer than the Tribal Gathering gig, where Kraftwerk didn't have as much time as they needed. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) GASP !!!! 10,000 times GASP !!!! Date: 06 Sep 1997 22:22:12 +0100 Peter wrote: > >I had plans to go to Karlsruhe...but I saw them in Stockholm '91 and >that new song is crap. Yeah ! I have at least one friend on this list ! Ra wrote : >I thought the suits were a cool idea. Reminds me of Tron in some ways. EXACTLY ! And this is stuff from 15 years ago ! And I will even dare to say that 15 years ago, DEVO showed up in much more funny & fresh looks / disguise. Q : are we not men-machine ? A : we are DEVO ! D-E-V-O ! > They don't need to pretend. They are. (the godfathers of thechno) You're certainly right. But anyway, I'd like to get the answer to a very simple question : WHY ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) GASP !!!! 10,000 times GASP !!!! Date: 06 Sep 1997 17:15:31 -0400 (EDT) >>I thought the suits were a cool idea. Reminds me of Tron in some ways. > >EXACTLY ! >And this is stuff from 15 years ago ! True, but one thing many of us have always enjoyed about Kraftwerk is the strong sense of nostalgia which permeates their work with regard to the celebration of concepts and creations of an earlier time (ie: Radio-Activity, T.E.E., Pocket Calculator, The Telephone Call, etc.). Whenever I think of Tron, it takes me back fondly to a time when video arcades ruled the day, and "Computer World" was always blasting from the phonograph. Kraftwerk had a vital presence for me at that time, so I personally find it most enjoyable and appropriate when they themselves recreate that time. >> They don't need to pretend. They are. (the godfathers of thechno) > >You're certainly right. >But anyway, I'd like to get the answer to a very simple question : WHY ? Why? Because, IMHO, Kraftwerk laid down a solid foundation and paved the way for much of the music which would go on to develop into forms of synth-pop, hip-hop, industrial, techno, and other electronic genres. Laying a foundation and paving a way are precisely those traits that "godfathers" of anything are known for possessing, and Kraftwerk does indeed fit that bill. -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "We're charging our battery..." P.S. - Am I the only one out here that likes the new KW song? If I am, that's still cool as I've always enjoyed being somewhat different. :-) hehe.. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) GASP !!!! 10,000 times GASP !!!! Date: 06 Sep 1997 15:50:32 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, 6 Sep 1997, jbv wrote: > And I will even dare to say that 15 years ago, DEVO showed up in much > more funny & fresh looks / disguise. > > Q : are we not men-machine ? > A : we are DEVO ! D-E-V-O ! I wonder what Devo would have made of the Borg? > > They don't need to pretend. They are. (the godfathers of thechno) > > You're certainly right. > But anyway, I'd like to get the answer to a very simple question : WHY ? They came out with an innovative new sound that captured peoples' imaginations. Lots of European groups started to imitate it while in America club-type people found it danceable thanks to Afrika Bambaataa. People started to imitate him too, and the whole techno scene was moved by that. The European side I don't know much about but it seems to have produced more trance and ambient than techno. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mars.sjoestrand@stockholm.mail.telia.com Subject: Re: (kw) GASP !!!! 10,000 times GASP !!!! Date: 06 Sep 1997 23:58:02 +0200 > >I thought the suits were a cool idea. Reminds me of Tron in some ways. > > EXACTLY ! > And this is stuff from 15 years ago ! Does it matter what they were wearing under two songs of TG performance? They did it to match the grahpics on the screens while they were playing Music non stop, and they had them during this new song becouse it should have been to many breaks in the show otherwise. I cant understand why peopele want to sell their tickets to the Karlsruhe and the Linz gigs only becouse a 37 seconds long (very nice) avi file on their official homepage . So long.. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joel Provost Subject: RE: (kw) GASP !!!! 10,000 times GASP !!!! Date: 06 Sep 1997 18:03:14 -0400 >I've spent a lot of time listening to Kraftwerk and reading the postings >to this list, but I'm begining to feel like those pathetic Elvis fans >who refuses to grow up and put their energy into something more living. Last I heard, Elvis was dead. Kraftwerk is alive and well and performing, creating web pages etc... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "A. D. Alvarez" Subject: Re: (kw) Rumour Date: 06 Sep 1997 19:16:59 -0400 <> Thanks for the translation and posting. :) -- Aldo Alvarez Editor Blithe House Quarterly: a site for gay short fiction http://www.spectra.net/~aalvarez/BHQ.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) Wolfgang in NYC? Date: 06 Sep 1997 18:31:11 +0500 So did anyone get a chance to see Wolfgang at the CMJ music festival this week? There was an article about it (not mentioning the WolfMan) in the NY Daily News, but the phone number they listed was that of someone who was going to be away during the week because of the festival (!?!!)-- his answering machine referred me to the CMJ web site, where I couldn't find any information about Wolfgang or Yamo. Maybe he was on one of the panels, which is too bad because it costs over $300 to register for them... Damn! ...boom tschak. Hey, that almost sounds like a song. I feel better now. :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (kw) Rumour Date: 06 Sep 1997 20:45:52 +0100 Considering the time and expense the Tribal gatehring organisers spent on securing Kraftwerks performance, I am very surprised they then placed time restrictions on the length of the set, and since I have never know them play a set longer than 2 hours... and they started 5 minutes late (10:05pm) and finished early (11:57) I think this rumour about the length of their set should be placed in the bin... Import or bootleg 12"s of "Tour De France"/"Computer Love" are now surfacing in Birmingham in the UK, as well as newly pressed copies of the standard "Tour De France" 12".... See ya, "Dancing mekanik", mark In message <9709061937.AA30130@public.uni-hamburg.de>, Klaus Zaepke writes > > >It is rumoured that Kraftwerk will play more new songs from their >forthcoming album in Karlsruhe. It is also reported that the concert >will be longer than the Tribal Gathering gig, where Kraftwerk didn't >have as much time as they needed. > > ># Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? ># Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ># Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) CMJ electronica concert--off topic Date: 07 Sep 1997 00:39:01 -0400 Hey, fellow 'werkers! I had to tell all y'all about this dope concert. Please bear with me. I had the pleasure of seeing the first concert of this year's CMJ (College Music Journal) convention in NYC. It was an electronica event featuring Fluke, the Sneaker Pimps, Daft Punk, Death in Vegas, The Crystal Method, and the highlight: APHEX TWIN, the True and Living God. Fluke was good, sort of psychedelic. There were four people: two behind rows of machines, one who looked like a reject from the rock bands of the late '60s who sang, and a woman who looked like Bjork in an anime. She was wearing fluorescent clothing that glowed in the dark when the light shown on her properly. The Sneaker Pimps had no business being at that concert. They were trying to cross alternative rock with trip-hop. They had a live drummer which is an automatic turn-off--I want to see some turntables! There were some devoted fans of the band there, though. It was a good show, but it wasn't my style of music. It was a bit like acid rock from the '60s with a '90s twist. Daft Punk was next and they ripped shit up! Besides playing their singles, they paid homage to the early techno and house pioneers of the late '80s. They even did covers of a Todd Terry (under the name CLS) joint and "French Kiss" by Li'l Louis. When they slowed the music down, as it does in "French Kiss," the audience went absolutely nuts. There were two people on stage flanked by rows of keyboards, and some vintage equipment as well. One of them was wearing an Atari shirt, so you know they were giving props where they were due! They were fantastic--a truly great show. Death in Vegas was trying to combine techno with rock by having an electric guitarist and electric bassist perform with a keyboardist and a turntablist. Their sound was rather unique--like an electronic jam session. However, they didn't succeed too well. I wonder what the album sounds like. The Crystal Method had the distinction of having the best light show. Fast and furious music pulsated while the stage and the entire room turned shades of green, blue, purple, red, and strobe-light white. You could hardly see the duo with all that light, but they were frantically pushing buttons and keeping the music going. A great performance. Finally, the highlight, what we'd been waiting all night for: Aphex Twin! I was lucky to be right in front. They put a couch on the stage. All we can see is a tiny grey box with a myriad of RCA cords protruding outward, but there's another box to his left that's hidden by a row of something sitting on the floor. He sits on the floor and leans on his hand while he constantly tweaks knobs and buttons on both boxes, carefully keeping an eye on both machines. Two oversized teddy/koala bears, one orange and one green, with AT's face from the latest album superimposed where the bears' faces should be come on stage after the first song and start cavorting about. Then, with his signature homemade bleeps, music no one's ever heard starts, and the bears start a mythical fight, each bear claiming victory, but ending in a draw. The bears leave, but soon afterward, one of them comes back and makes his rounds next to the front row (there are no seats, though). The audience shakes hands with the bear. Finally, after a much-too-short twenty minutes, AT gives a snide little smile to the audience, as we're screaming and jumping with applause, and leaves. I started to scream my head off for an encore, along with a few other people, but alas, there's no encore, and the audience leaves, very disappointed. I tell you, the word "ambient" takes on a whole new meaning as you hear the music, better than anything else that night, as loud as a nuclear bomb blast, making every orifice in your body vibrate as the sound becomes pure white noise. What a show! Richard D. James is so fucking cool! He demonstrates why he's the only true successor to Kraftwerk's legacy. A terrific concert altogether, and well worth the money--you had to be there. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Rumour Date: 07 Sep 1997 09:15:22 +0000 > and they started 5 minutes late (10:05pm) and finished early > (11:57) More accurately, they started late (10:15) and finished late (11:55), as their set was scheduled for 10:00 - 11:30. > I think this rumour about the length of their set should be placed in the bin... Not that I would believe this story myself, but it is at least consistent with the facts. The Tribal Gathering concert was originally scheduled from 10:00 - 12:00, and Universe spokesmen claimed that Kraftwerk would play at least three new tracks. Then the length of the set was cut down to 90 minutes, and they performed only one new track. So much for the facts. The rest is of course speculation. > Considering the time and expense the Tribal gatehring organisers spent > on securing Kraftwerks performance, I am very surprised they then placed > time restrictions on the length of the set, This is a good point. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: (kw) Vangelis & Kraftwerk / IL Rock Date: 07 Sep 1997 10:38:19 +0200 Hi all!=20 =B0=B0=B0Yesterday I found this corious Italian-release -Lp. =20 =B0=B0Never seen or heard about its existence before...=20 =20 =20 =B0=B0It contains the following track-Listing=20 =B0=B0=B0 LATO A=20 =20 =20 =B0=B0 1 - Hymne 2=B440"=20 =B0=B0 2 - Movement1 10=B418"=20 =B0=B0 3 - Chariots of Fire (Titles) 3=B433"=20 =B0=B0 VANGELIS=20 =20 =20 =B0=B0 4 - Antenna (Hutter - Schneider - Schult) 3=B442"=20 =B0=B0 KRAFTWERK=20 =20 =20 =B0=B0 LATO B=20 =B0=B0 1 - Radioland (Hutter- Schneider - Schult) 5=B450"=20 =B0=B0 2 - Showroom Dummies (Hutter) 6=B408"=20 =B0=B0 3 -The hall of mirrors (Hutter- Schneider - Schult) 7=B449=20 =B0=B0 4 - Uranium (Hutter- Schneider - Schult) 1=B424"=20 =20 =20 =B0=B0-This Compilation 1989 - Su Lizenza EMI Italiana S.p.a.=20 =20 =20 =B0=B0 NON IN VENDITA=20 =B0=B0 Allegato al fascicolo n. 56 de "Il Rock" -de Agostini. Made in=20 Italy=20 =B0=B0=B0The Front and Back-Cover shows a Photo of Vangelis=20 =B0=B0and the photo from the Backcover of "Ralf and Florian".=20 =20 =20 =20 =B0=B0Is this a=20 well-known item? I bought it for a "Butterbrot".=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =B0=B0Greetings=20 =B0=B0Josef=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 _________________In=20 _Wien_Sitzen_Wir_Im_Nachtcaf=E9________________=20 ______________________Direktverbindung_T.E.E.____________________=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 - I=B4m the antenna catching your vibration...........=20 =20 =20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Robotics Date: 06 Sep 1997 13:44:37 +0100 > For those interested in robotics, Simon Godfrey reminded me of a Wired > article that may amuse you. > > In Wired magazine issue 4.07 (July 1996), Bruce Sterling details a robot > battle event held in Phoenix. There's nothing about the construction of > the robots other than a few pictures, but it's an interesting read. > > There is some related information at http://www.wired.com/4.07/srl/ Mark Pauline's Survival Research Laboratories also have their own website that you might find interesting: http://www.srl.org # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Virgo/Ae Subject: Re: (kw) Vangelis & Kraftwerk / IL Rock Date: 07 Sep 1997 13:15:00 -0100 Josef Gabler wrote: >=20 > =B0=B0=B0Yesterday I found this corious Italian-release -Lp. > =B0=B0Never seen or heard about its existence before... > =B0=B0-This Compilation 1989 - Su Lizenza EMI Italiana S.p.a. > =B0=B0 NON IN VENDITA > =B0=B0 Allegato al fascicolo n. 56 de "Il Rock" -de Agostini. Made in I= taly > =B0=B0Is this a well-known item? I bought it for a "Butterbrot". I don't think so, because you just bought a cd which was sold along with = 56th issue of "Il Rock" encyclopaedia by De Agostini (this part was probably dedicated to electronic music). BTW: "NON IN VENDITA" means "NOT FOR SALE", because you should have been = able buying it only with its issue from any Italian newspaper kiosk! :) cya. --=20 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- -=3D< Virgo.Ae@MindlesS.CoM >=3D- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original se= nder. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rmknudson@juno.com (matt knudson) Subject: (kw) Laserdiscs Date: 07 Sep 1997 09:20:58 -0700 I am looking for NTSC format laserdiscs featuring music and video by Kraftwerk. Any suggestions where I might find such items? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Robotics Date: 07 Sep 1997 17:39:54 +0100 Jon Alsbury wrote : >Mark Pauline's Survival Research Laboratories also have their own >website >that you might find interesting: >http://www.srl.org Yes, those are well-known pictures. BTW, who used them as a video in the 80s ? Wasn'it Foetus ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) CMJ electronica concert--off topic Date: 07 Sep 1997 16:00:18 GMT muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) wrote: >It was an electronica event Arrrrrggghhhhh! Who the f**k invented that name, 'electronica'? Sounds like another american euphemism attack........... An BTW, I've followed Sneaker pimps for some years now, and just cos they don't have a turntable on stage does not invalidate them. DJ's should remember that there WAS life before technics! Blimey, if Roni Size & co can use a live drummer for what was in effect a totally non acoustic album, so can sneaker pimps, and WHAT THE HELL is alternative rock? Something you don't buy in K-Mart?? :-))) Couldn't agree more about Richard James though, a pure genius, maybe the only one currently in existence and still producing. >A terrific concert altogether, and well worth the money--you had to be >there > Hehe. No, you had to be over here. We see these acts regularly!!! Notable that the majority of acts in this 'festival' were British too.......peace. ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rmknudson@juno.com (matt knudson) Subject: Re: (kw) KW Video Collection Date: 07 Sep 1997 10:13:40 -0700 Count me in to participate in the video collaboration also. I am from Salt Lake City, Utah, USA. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) CMJ electronica concert--off topic Date: 07 Sep 1997 18:25:44 +0100 Jules Seifert wrote : >and WHAT >THE HELL is alternative rock? Something you don't buy in K-Mart?? A few years ago, I even picked up the name "adult alternative rock" refering to some revival of 70s progressive music... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "L B" Subject: Re: (kw) Vangelis & Kraftwerk / IL Rock Date: 07 Sep 1997 06:33:35 PDT > NON IN VENDITA > Allegato al fascicolo n. 56 de "Il Rock" -de Agostini. Made this seem to be a record enclosed to some... how do you call them... well, sort of magazines that are supposed to be binded to form volumes that you buy every week at newstands, that seem to be always very popular in Italy... we have them about the strangest matters... as soon as they are out in the newsstands they are not worth half of their original price, in the order of some dollars, for obvious reason. as they get old, they can be more interesting. but mind that they are usually regarded as spurious and sort of intellectually cheap items. something like records that you find in tons at the second-hand departments. anyway, is it white with light blue-purple stripes? >well-known item? I bought it for a "Butterbrot". you mean very cheap? then well done! :-) ------------ se volete rispondere per favore fatelo a questo indirizzo to answer please use this address Lbo@iol.it e' controllato molto piu' di frequente it is checked a lot more frequently grazie - thanks ------------ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: (kw) Tribal Gathering / UK TV Date: 07 Sep 1997 18:24:24 GMT Werkers, There were no surprises to be had on UK TV tonight in their coverage of the Tribal Gathering. The program was mainly about the organisation of the event, and a 'personal' view from a bunch of people going to the event. Kraftwerk were heavily mentioned at the mid part of the program, and the organisers (obviously) were proud of their little 'coup' in booking them. No film however, as the they were not allowed. however, one interesting piece of info came out of it, the name of the band's UK manager!! Maybe we can look her up! ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) CMJ electronica concert--off topic Date: 07 Sep 1997 14:32:02 -0400 >>> Arrrrrggghhhhh! Who the f**k invented that name, 'electronica'? Sounds like another american euphemism attack........... <<< Don't worry, I hate that name, too! I just couldn't think of the word "techno" when I wrote what I wrote! You lucky Brits always get the good shit (even the best US music), and appreciate it more, than most USA people! Real house music's the prime example. It was stricly illegal to bring any sort of recording device or camera, unless you were from the media, into the concert venue. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mars.sjoestrand@stockholm.mail.telia.com Subject: Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering / UK TV Date: 07 Sep 1997 22:24:00 +0200 Jules Seifert wrote: =20 > however, one interesting piece of info came out of it, the name of the > band's UK manager!! I thought that they never had one or should have one. So long.... M=E5ns # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom the Javaneer Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Date: 07 Sep 1997 22:37:00 +0200 At 00:31 06.09.97 +0200, you wrote: > Several seperate list updates were mailed therefore I edited them into a >new one. > >additions: please update your mail before adding your name to be sure you >add it to the latest version. > > >1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com >2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de >3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com >4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net >5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net >6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se >7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at >8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl >9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de >10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com >11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de >12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no >13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl >14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl >15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl >16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl >17 Maureen Jansen - >18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl >19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de >20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org >21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se >22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se >23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se >24 Rickard Hidefj=E4ll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se >25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org >26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org >27 Conny Fornb=E4ck conny.annica@wineasy.se >28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se =20 > 29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) CMJ electronica concert--off topic Date: 07 Sep 1997 14:46:51 -0600 (MDT) On Sun, 7 Sep 1997, Jules Seifert wrote: > >It was an electronica event > > Arrrrrggghhhhh! Who the f**k invented that name, 'electronica'? What does it mean? I just encountered it for the first time two days ago. I would guess it's a blanket term for assorted electronic music? /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christoph Soltmannowski Subject: (kw) I will be there!!! Date: 07 Sep 1997 23:07:50 +0000 > >additions: please update your mail before adding your name to be sure yo= u >add it to the latest version. > > >1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com >2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de >3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com >4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net >5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net >6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se >7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at >8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl >9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de >10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com >11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de >12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no >13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl >14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl >15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl >16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl >17 Maureen Jansen - >18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl >19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de >20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org >21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se >22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se >23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se >24 Rickard Hidefj=E4ll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se >25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org >26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org >27 Conny Fornb=E4ck conny.annica@wineasy.se >28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se = 29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de 30 Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch -- = ______________________________ Hello everybody! I am new to the list, but Kraftwerk fan since 1978. Greatest moment: The Ralf Hutter interview I dis in London in 1991. Christoph Soltmannowski "we are showroom dummies!" http://www.innovation.ch/pbs _______________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re: (kw) Vangelis & Kraftwerk / IL Rock Date: 07 Sep 1997 23:21:26 +0200 In message ID <3412B6E4.14B90E19@MindlesS.CoM> on 07.09.97,=20 Virgo.Ae@MindlesS.CoM wrote:=20 =20 >Josef Gabler wrote:=20 >> =20 >> =B0=B0=B0Yesterday I found this curious Italian-release -Lp.=20 >> =B0=B0Never seen or heard about its existence before...=20 >=20 >> =B0=B0-This Compilation 1989 - Su Lizenza EMI Italiana S.p.a.=20 >> =B0=B0 NON IN VENDITA=20 >> =B0=B0 Allegato al fascicolo n. 56 de "Il Rock" -de Agostini. Made=20 in Italy=20 >=20 >> =B0=B0Is this a well-known item? I bought it for a "Butterbrot".=20 >=20 >I don't think so, because you just bought a cd which was sold along=20 >with 56th issue of "Il Rock" encyclopaedia by De Agostini (this=20 >part was probably dedicated to electronic music).=20 >=20 >BTW: "NON IN VENDITA" means "NOT FOR SALE", because you should have=20 >been able buying it only with its issue from any Italian newspaper=20 >kiosk! :)=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =B0=B0 Ciao =20 =20 =20 =B0=B0 Thanks for Reply and Translation.=20 =B0=B0 Obviously you missunderstood=20 =B0=B0 my message. I bought this Compilation on Lp. =20 =B0=B0 (Sorry there is no Record-Company or Catalogue-Nr. on the Cover=20 or Vinyl-Label) =20 =B0=B0 I didn=B4t know, that it also was released on Cd (same Year?). =20 =B0=B0 Would be interesting, to find the "Il Rock"-issue too.=20 =20 =B0=B0Today a=20 found a EMI-Electrola Lp-Sampler released 1976: GOLD HITS.=20 =B0=B0 On Side two between Natalie Cole, Bay City Rollers or Smokie are=20 =B0=B0 Kraftwerk with Radioaktivit=E4t. Nice meeting...=20 =20 =20 =B0=B0Gute Nacht=20 =20 =B0=B0 Josef=20 =20 =20 =20 _________________In=20 _Wien_Sitzen_Wir_Im_Nachtcaf=E9________________=20 =20 ______________________Direktverbindung_T.E.E.____________________ =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe - Addition to the List Date: 07 Sep 1997 22:10:55 GMT > >additions: please update your mail before adding your name to be sure = you >add it to the latest version. > > >1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com >2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de >3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com >4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net >5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net >6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se >7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at >8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl >9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de >10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com >11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de >12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no >13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl >14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl >15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl >16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl >17 Maureen Jansen - >18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl >19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de >20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org >21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se >22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se >23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se >24 Rickard Hidefj=E4ll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se >25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org >26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org >27 Conny Fornb=E4ck conny.annica@wineasy.se >28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se =20 >29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de >30 Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch 31 Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colatina Radio Som Ltda." <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) Addition to the list Date: 06 Sep 1997 19:23:21 -0300 EDUARDO MONTEIRO (BRASIL) 97fm@colatina.com.br # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colatina Radio Som Ltda." <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) addition to the list Date: 06 Sep 1997 20:20:14 -0300 > >additions: please update your mail before adding your name to be sure you >add it to the latest version. > > >1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com >2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de >3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com >4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net >5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net >6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se >7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at >8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl >9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de >10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com >11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de >12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no >13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl >14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl >15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl >16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl >17 Maureen Jansen - >18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl >19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de >20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org >21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se >22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se >23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se >24 Rickard Hidefj=E4ll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se >25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org >26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org >27 Conny Fornb=E4ck conny.annica@wineasy.se >28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se =20 >29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de >30 Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch 31 Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk 32 EDUARDO MONTEIRO (BRASIL) 97fm@colatina.com.br # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 01:46:21 +-200 Date: 07 Sep 1997 17:49:55 -0600 Hi Werkers! I=B4ve just labeld my C: and D: hard-drives Ralf und Florian! Should I seek professional help? ;-) Seriously, (a bit of the topic here) could anyone recommend a TG CD? Not P-TV or C & C, but TG. I=B4ve just heard their contrbution on the Mute compilation Nervous = Systems, And I=B4ve heard the track on Tyranny Of The Beat compilation. I have the Assume Power Focus CD, but that=B4s not the same is it?! So could someone recommend a more... shall we say "Mainstream" CD by TG? Thanks Uffe _________________________________________________________________________= Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden E-Mail: silverup@algonet.se or robotronik@rocketmail.com _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_= /\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ # Peektime viewing blown in a flash, as I burn into your memory cells# ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_= /\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morten Moen Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Date: 08 Sep 1997 08:58:55 +0200 >1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com >2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de >3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com >4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net >5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net >6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se >7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at >8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl >9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de >10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com >11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de >12 Morten Moen morten.moen@online.no >13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl >14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl >15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl >16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl >17 Maureen Jansen - >18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl >19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de >20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org >21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se >22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se >23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se >24 Rickard Hidefj=E4ll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se >25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org >26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org >27 Conny Fornb=E4ck conny.annica@wineasy.se >28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se >29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de >30 Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch >31 Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk >32 EDUARDO MONTEIRO (BRASIL) 97fm@colatina.com.br 33 Wenche Aune wencheok@online.no You asked for more girls on the list Dolf! Well I'm taking my girlfriend with me, so I guess there are three girls now! Morten. - Synthetic, electronic sound, industrial rythms all around - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Henrik Brevenius - Sun Sweden Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Date: 08 Sep 1997 09:35:39 +0200 (MET DST) > X-Sender: mnmoen@mail.online.no > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. > Mime-Version: 1.0 > X-No-Archive: yes > > > >1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com > >2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de > >3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com > >4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net > >5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net > >6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se > >7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at > >8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl > >9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de > >10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com > >11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de > >12 Morten Moen morten.moen@online.no > >13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl > >14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl > >15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl > >16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl > >17 Maureen Jansen - > >18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl > >19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de > >20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org > >21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se > >22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se > >23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se > >24 Rickard Hidefj=E4ll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se > >25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org > >26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org > >27 Conny Fornb=E4ck conny.annica@wineasy.se > >28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se > >29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de > >30 Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch > >31 Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk > >32 EDUARDO MONTEIRO (BRASIL) 97fm@colatina.com.br > > 33 Wenche Aune wencheok@online.no 34 Henrik Brevenius henrik.brevenius@sweden.sun.com I'll be there! I'm new to the list but a long time KW fan. /Henrik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DHOLTON@derwent.co.uk Subject: (kw) Slightly off subject Date: 08 Sep 1997 09:56:27 +0100 Someone mentioned Tuxedomoon a couple of weeks ago .In the same vein does anyone have anything by CHrome (e.g. Half Machine Lip Moves) or This Heat. These are two weird bands but I'd like to have some on tape.I remember being moved by This Heat playing "Drowning in Cambodia" on a John Peel session. In return I have "Ultra Rare Tracks" or "Live in Japan" or 12"Tour De France - 2 versions one French that I could tape. I also have the luminous 12" Neon Lights with the model and TEE on the B side - I'm thinking of selling this any offers? Incidentally this was the second ever luminous vinyl reord (so I was told) Anyone know the first - [Brain Teaser] Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Flock Rockin Beats Date: 08 Sep 1997 10:19:11 +0000 Good Morning Everyone, Well as promised I watched and recorded the review of Tribal Gathering '97 last night. I have to say that I did not expect too much as the show was only half an hour long! There was a brief mention of KW about half way through, but the interesting point was the interview with KW's manager, a Scumeck Sabottka. KW's UK Manager was also present, Emma Banks. They spoke about the problems they initially encountered whilst setting up the equipment with a leaking tent and power failure, but were happy that everything will go to plan. There was a ten second clip of the KW gig, but the camera was focused on the audience all the time and the track was very hard to make out, it sounded like Radioactivity. One of the TG organisers said that KW had made specific instructions that no film crews were allowed into the tent to film the show, and that they had laid on extra security to police this tent to stop any filming. Othe than that, there was nothing else relating to KW. I am interested in the people they interviewed though, as I was not aware of the KW's Manager's name! I think I will try out an e:mail search on these names to see what I can come up with. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) CMJ electronica concert--off topic Date: 08 Sep 1997 11:23:14 +0000 Has anyone heard the Armand Van Heldon remix of the Sneaker Pimps tune 'Spin Spin Sugar'? I have it on a white label, wicked stuff, but not everyones choice! Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Robotics Date: 08 Sep 1997 11:40:26 +0000 There has been mention of late concerning the design of Robots on the list, I have not mentioned it before but I do know someone who designs Robots for a living. He is very hard to get hold of as he is often travelling the world with his work earning major money! I don't even know where he is at the moment, but if any of you have any specific questions e:mail me and I will try and contact him. I am not promising anything though! I mentioned recently that I got hold of a promo of a Mouse on Mars 12 inch. I have listened to it and my conclusions are not positive, if anyone is interested let me know as I am willing to sell it. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mario Laros Subject: (kw) Guests at Karlsruhe Gig Date: 08 Sep 1997 13:24:07 +0200 Hello, Does anybody know who the "G=E4ste" will be on the Karsruhe Gig, and if these guests will have their own performance or if they will perform toghether with KW? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Olf Ranthiz Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update Date: 08 Sep 1997 13:42:44 +0200 additions: please update your mail before adding your name to be sure you add it to the latest version. 1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com 2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de 3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com 4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net 5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net 6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se 7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at 8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl 9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de 10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com 11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de 12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no 13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl 14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl 15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl 16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl 17 Maureen Jansen - 18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl 19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de 20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org 21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se 22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se 23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se 24 Rickard Hidefj=E4ll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se 25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org 26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org 27 Conny Fornb=E4ck conny.annica@wineasy.se 28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se =20 29 Olf Ranthiz tf@ibt.etec.uni-karlsruhe.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Olf Ranthiz Subject: (kw) To all Karlsruhe traveller Date: 08 Sep 1997 14:11:18 +0200 I could offer some sleeping opportunities in my apartment which is near to the location where the concert takes place. -- take care tf ************************************************************* "Drinking and smoking are bad for the health" -Charles Bukowski # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) GASP....10,000... Date: 08 Sep 1997 11:14:20 +0100 >I thought the suits were a cool idea=2E Reminds me of Tron in some ways=2E JBV wrote: >EXACTLY ! >And this is stuff from 15 years ago ! According to the information I got, the radio was invented a few years befo= re K=2EW=2E made "radioactivity", a record where they sing a lot about radios, antennas and madame Curie (an old lady who discovered radioactivity years before K=2EW=2E sung about it) and I don=B4t think the train was invented w= ith help from the lyrics of T=2EE=2EE=2E=2E=2E=2E Some people on this list don=B4t understand shit about the KW genious!!! /JOHAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) GASP....10,000... Date: 08 Sep 1997 16:45:08 +0100 johan.andersson wrote : >Some people on this list don´t understand shit about the KW genious!!! Sure, man. And some other people on this list should wear glasses and take reading lessons in order to understand postings properly... bye - jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FUMIAKI.HOKARI@hakuhodo.co.jp Subject: Re: (kw) He is a robot! Date: 08 Sep 1997 14:46:54 +0900 FUMIAKI HOKARI@HAKUHODO 97-09-08 14:46 For all kraftwerk kids! >>> >He is a robot! >>> > >>> > >>> >http://www.honda.co.jp/tech/other/robot.html >> >>hello .jp fellows and thanks for the link! could you give a >>translation of the text, if you think is relevant, because I only see >>a lot of strange characters (not that I can read ideograms anyway... >:-) ). >Why don't you go this english-page as below? :-) >http://www.honda.co.jp/home/hpr/e_news/robot/index.html Hello, Luca, Jose, I'm sorry for my kindless... and thank you, for your support. SAKURA! arigato! HOKARI FUMIAKI Tokyo,JAPAN P.S. I guess he has no air-bags... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MLT Info Subject: (kw) Komputer live Date: 08 Sep 1997 16:08:40 U Subject: Time: 4:06 pm OFFICE MEMO Komputer live Date: 8/9/97 Komputer will be performing live at Komische, Upstairs At The Garage (Highbury Corner, London N5) on Saturday 11 October. Cheers! Janet MLT http://www.mutelibtech.com/mute/ FTP or telnet to mutelibtech.com Artist enquiries & mailing list admin: Mail order: # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Old vibrations Date: 08 Sep 1997 21:17:09 +0100 My beloved list fellows, I'm presently cleaning my house before moving, and I just came across two (2) long (long !) interviews given by R&F to french magazine Rock & Folk in nov. 76 and in summer 81 (during the CW tour). If anyone is interested, i should be able to translate & post them within the next couple of weeks, unless it's been done before (Klaus ?). Shortly : a few things caught my attention. 1- Ralf repeating several times "we have nothing to do with rock n' roll and with America. We're not interested in America." (for those who wonder when they're planing to play over there...) 2- the many similarities between that 81 interview and some interviews given by Ralf in 91 during the Mix tour 3- the most funny : Ralf saying in 81 something like "thanks to the new improvements of the KK studio, we are now able to compose and produce one single every day". !!!!!!!!!! good night - jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Barnard Subject: FW: (kw) Slightly off subject Date: 08 Sep 1997 21:21:07 +0100 >---------- >> Incidentally this was the second ever luminous vinyl reord (so I was > > told) Anyone know the first - [Brain Teaser] > Was it "Yellow Dog"; Just One More Night >David Barnard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephenv@sirius.com (stephen vesecky) Subject: (kw) nice melodies Date: 08 Sep 1997 14:41:12 -0700 (PDT) as far as my interest in kraftwerk goes, i find that the pop element (melodies!) is what makes them something special. i mean, they could have stuck to doing strange avant garde type music, experimenting with sounds, etc, and stayed in the realm of a cult group (which i suppose they are, i shouldn't try and fool myself). but they chose to do something which was even more experimental and bizarre: mixing stockhausen with bubblegum pop. i mean, i like "homecomputer" and "music non stop" but my favorites are still "the model" and "computer love". maybe i should stick to listening to cheesball pop music. stephen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) GASP....10,000... Date: 08 Sep 1997 16:35:03 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 8 Sep 1997 johan.andersson@allers.aller.se wrote: > >I thought the suits were a cool idea. Reminds me of Tron in some ways. > >EXACTLY ! > >And this is stuff from 15 years ago ! >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------- > According to the information I got, the radio was invented a few years be= fore > K.W. made "radioactivity",=20 A few years? Try a few decades! > a record where they sing a lot about radios, > antennas and madame Curie (an old lady who discovered radioactivity years > before K.W. sung about it) They also sang about radioactivity itself. > and I don=B4t think the train was invented with help > from the lyrics of T.E.E.... It would be interesting if it had been. That would make KW precognitive.=20 They could have patented the train and made loads of money. > Some people on this list don=B4t understand shit about the KW genious!!! Enlighten us. Oh please do go on... /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously=20 * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Old vibrations Date: 08 Sep 1997 16:38:26 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, jbv wrote: > 3- the most funny : Ralf saying in 81 something like "thanks to the > new improvements of the KK studio, we are now able to compose and > produce one single every day". !!!!!!!!!! If R&F ever die, I hope someone makes their studio into a museum or a shrine. I'd make a pingrimmage to see it every few years. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: janovefu@eunet.no (Jan Ove Furesund) Subject: Re: (kw) Delayed "End of Violence" Date: 08 Sep 1997 22:52:26 GMT On Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:20:42 +0000, Klaus Zaepke wrote: >The premiere of Wim Wenders' new movie "The End of Violence", which=20 >apparently features a new piece of Kraftwerk music in the soundtrack, = has=20 >been put back until November 27th, in Germany at least. Today I received an answer from MGM regarding my question if there will be a new song by KW on the soundtrack to "The end of violence". The answer is (surprisingly!) a NO!, but of course we already knew that... If it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger.. ..so i guess KW-fans can be compared to Superman or whoever your heros are! Still waiting after all these years Jan Ove Furesund=20 --=20 http://login.eunet.no/~janovefu/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re : (kw) old vibrations Date: 09 Sep 1997 00:51:20 +0100 Since thousands of you asked for it, here is the translation of the 81 interview. Sorry for the typos. jbv This interview was published in issue 178 (nov 81) of french magazine Rock & Folk, and was made in summer 81 during the Computer World tour. The article begins with various infor on the new album and the tour. An interesting part is the quoting of one of the roadies : “These guys certainly make the most artificial music, but they are the most human people I ever met. They refused to take their dinner in their box, and they asked for permission to eat with the whole crew. Don’t forget to write this in your magazin, man : the most human people I’ve seen in the whole music bizness !” KLING KLANG Q : Why was the released of “Computer World” delayed for so long ? A: It took a lot of work to make the Kling Kland Studio transportable, to really stage it, to put it into situation. All the parts are connected, it’s a new conception of Kraftwerk : before it was studio + live, now it’s live studio, we play the studio on stage. We thought it could be done rather fast, but it became more and more radical, we had to change everything, it took 3 years non-stop to fine tune everything. We worked on musical compositions simultaneously, because we do everything by ourselves. We are not musicians, we are rather scientists. Kraftwerk is not chords and numbers, but rather a realistic concept to transpose ideas to their maximum. Ideas came to us as we were working. The identity of “Computer World”, the mecanics of instruments and the psychological side of sound and music, are the two concepts that lead to the fact that we don’t have Kraftwerk anymore, but Kraftwerk and Kling Klang together. Q : Apart from the 4 of you, what does Kling Klang represent ? A : It represents also two engineers who are always with us, a sound engineer and a video engineer, since we also produce videos, plus the computer programs and the computer graphics. So we are six, plus the crew for the sound system. In july / august we’ll be touring in the States, and in september in Japan, Budapest, Warsaw, Prague, and in DDR in august too. A few years ago, we played in an italian TV program which was broadcasted in intervision for the first time behind the Iron Curtain. As a band from capitalist Germany, it was impossible to make contacts in the East, that’s why this contact was established through Italy. And since, we’ve got informations about our records being available on the black market in Eastern Europe. Then we are quite more interested to play over there than to play for the third time in Chicago. We are not concerned with America. Q : With this new album, you don’t really bring any new esthetical concept like in the previous ones. The image of showroom dummies is the same as on “Man Machine”. A : The computers are new, the computerized side. Q : What do you think of the english and french bands who clearly got inspired by you ? A : In 1975, we were very lonely. Everyone was in a californian trip : hippie, Eagles, etc. Kraftwerk has been attacked many times, especially in England. They were against us because we represented the end of this guitar music, we were a threat for their californian dream. The new pretenders of industrial music cheered us up, for we were questioning our own work sometimes. But the music is different, because we have a teutonic rythmic, really germanic. Q : Let’s talk about your interest for miniature instruments and gadget music. A : Our studio is very compact : it fits into 10 cases only. We use only one truck, which is very little compared to standard rock. We are attracted by small devices, small calculators. It’s certainly the way to go. Q : Do you feel that you belong to the world of rock n’ roll ? A : No. Psychologically, we are outside that trip. We’re more interested by the work side of it : change the music, looking for the sound, every day, and open the doors of the studio to the people. It’s only a coincidence if we’re touring like a rock band. As for the music, it’s rather electronic funk than rock n’ roll. Q : Is there any communication problem between what you are and the environment in which you’re evolving ? Your roadies, for instance, feature all the signs of their ethnic group : long hair, Ted Nugent T-shirts, stomachs full of beer... A : Yes, we are in the desert. Concrete, metal, lights, it’s an exile, an exile-tour. But we’re used to that as we live in Dusseldorf, on the Rhine river, a totally industrial and bureaucratic place, administrations, glass, offices. We are used to live in exile, with only a few friends around us. Friends and technicians. Q : The fact that you go on a world tour, and therefore to be in contact with people who think in a different way that yours, is it a way to make Kraftwerk music less picky ? A : Actually we find some energy in the environment of people who come to see us and who make us play in another dimension and at a higher psychological level, because of a certain tension, different from the studio, and in which we are interested. At the studio there is no phone, we are locked. Here, it’s the travel side, the open side, a rather anarchic situation. We are also going to play in South of Asia to see what it brings to our music : we are open to any vibrations that could change our music. Q : Are you still adepts of the “cold aesthetics” ? The look you brought with “Man Machine” has been adopted by every modern young men : sharp look, interest in a scientific future, etc. A : We went very far in the cold metal, it’s a reflex from our industrial life. The dummies are better than us in making photo sessions without sweating under the spotlights, without blinking, they are more patient. We went even further in the computer thing. After the physical attitudes of Man Machine, we are interested in the psychological side. At a time we were very static, and for us it’s important to go beyond that. But it’s not over yet, I couldn’t tell where it’s going. The fact of playing in front of an audience implies that our music is not a magnetic product anymore, it’s a situation open to improvisation. And the sensibility of the devices we created leads us to a new sensibility. TRIANGLE Q : You mentioned your interest for ethnic musics. Are you playing the ethnic music of the Ruhr ? A : Absolutely, that’s what we are saying. It’s a reflex from our german life in the Ruhr. And I don’t think our music could be born elsewhere. It can’t be done in Munchen. We are genetically programmed for that social behaviour. We work in a factory. What Kraftwerk represents is a sound factory that manufactures sounds, and the way we define our existence is the life of sound workers. We don’t need any training in another factory or another production unit to assimilate all the essence of the Ruhr. Q : Do you work freely ? A : No ! We have very strict daily schedules. As soon as several people are involved, we need to be organized. It’s also the follow-up of “robot” which means “worker” in russian. Kraftwerk is not only the vision of an artist, an industrial fantasy. For us, it’s a daily reality, a work for several years with reproductive machines. Q : Don’t you think you have lost the germanic romantic side of pieces like “Autobahn” or “TEE”, this huge breath from the nineteen century, which could be heard under the synthetic rigour ? A : This album represents a very special period of time for us, a programed era on which we keep working. We have other parallel musical creations which are still in progress and will come out of us later. But now we are in a “media” trip and we have to do what is the most actual for us. What did interest us mostly was the energic, rythmic side. “Man Machine” was very physical. Now we’re trying to be more strict in the concept of programing. It’s difficult for me to explain the differences between our albums. When “Man Machine” was released, I even didn’t know what it was. We only had to do it. While working on this idea of a studio to be more productive, in the same research of computerization, this new album became obvious for us : that’s what we had to do. Perhaps can we go even further with the next album. We were talking about the Talking Heads who adapt a part of black music because they certainly had the feeling that the rock music that they represent is not enough for their dynamic. As for Kraftwerk, the dynamic comes from the machines, we don’t have any other source. If you live in America, there’s a melting pot of cultures. In Paris too. In Dusseldorf, there’s nothing. No source for us. Only concrete. Q : But you have a classical european culture anyway ? A : Yes, certainly, but for us the “fathers” don’t exist. The revival culture has no interest for us. We’ve been shaped by a certain germanism, especially musical, but it represents a specific control to erase in order to escape. The only source of exchanges we have is between the four of us, and with the engineers, as we work with the machines. There’s no living german music. Even classical music is a mechanic, a mechanical organism. For us, the essence of this music is a magnetic tape played by people. In America however, there’s a culture of living music. Q : Muzak in western soundscape is also a form of ethnic music. Would you like to compose music for lifts, restaurants and supermarkets ? A : No. We rather listen to the lifts themselves, and not to a philistine product which acts as valium, a drug for the control of the system. What we are interested in, is the own sound of a supermarket or a lift, sounds with their own nature. We are not concerned with “music for airports” : people must open their ears and they will find out. That’s what we did with “Autobahn”. It’s more important to open up than to dominate. Music by itself is not interesting. CONCRETE Q : But you hope, at least, that people listen closely to your music ? A : Yes, but we don’t have to decide how to listen to our music. Not being dominated by music is also one of our problems, because if we work in that field, music in the morning, music in the afternoon, music in the evening... all the context gets lost. After 10 hours in the studio, sensations become dull. That’s why being all the time in the studio, or touring all the time don’t lead anywhere. The session musicians are so pale ! We do everything by ourselves, videos, sleeves & graphics, it’s like a mosaic which leads to the productivity of Kraftwerk, but it doesn’t represent one field only. In Germany, it is called “Gesankt Kunstwerk”. That’s what Wagner was doing in his time with theater and music, but that was a bit too much. Q : In the logic of Computer World, don’t you think you should “clone” the production : lots of records quickly delivered ? A : It’s true that computer means speed. And this album took three years to be completed. It’s because it’s quite new for us. We had to learn the language of the computers. The album, in fact, has been made vey fast. We had to forget everything : our way of playing, of thinking musically, and to learn new data. That’s why it took so long. But once it works, everything goes very fast. Q : This new way of working could allow the release of several singles a year, for instance ? A : And even several singles a day ! But it’s been quite hard for us to reach that point. We had to adapt our previous music to be able to play it live. We play all the songs since “Autobahn”, it’s a kind of trip backwards in time. Q : Are you planing to keep working alone, or do you intend to share your work with other artists ? A : May be. Until now, we were busy with the development of our instrument, and therefore it wasn’t possible. The other factor is that everything we have is customized. We cannot bring an english person into our system. It’s impossible. Some people asked to be produced by us, but the Kling Kland studio is really customized for us, even on a physical level : we all have the same size of clothes, except for Karl whose shoe size is 44 ! The whole system is really dedicated to Kraftwerk : custom computer and the like. After the tour, we’ll see. Until then, we were always in the same direction. This time, we tour around the world, we’ll come back to Dusseldorf from the other side, and we’ll see what kind of experiences we’ll bring back. Q : But could you, in Japan for instance, accept a musical collaboration with musicians from another universe ? A : Yes, we can do an album every afternoon : the only thing to do is press a red button and it is recording ! Technically, everything is set up for productivity. That’s what we’re interested in, to go further in productivity. That’s why we are interested in automatisms : they make some automatic music, while we rather make a music with a psychological sensibility. That’s what Kraftwerk is about, I think. Otherwise, we could make shows with the 4 dummies and a tape machine. We had been thinking of that kind of concept, some time ago : to make concerts simultaneously in Paris, New York, Tokyo... But now, we are interested in exchange. We’re taking an audio-visual postcard of Dusseldorf throughout the world. We first have to use that postcard in order to go further. I think that regular rock music is very pretentious : people say “it’s a personnal vision of Bruce Springsteen” or anybody else, when in fact they are only puppets, postcards. I think Kraftwerk represents the realistic side of this postcard. Q : During this tour, will you be on your own, or are you going to open up to the people you’ll visit ? A : We always go out, we always go to night clubs anywhere. We spend a lot of time on the streets. Kraftwerk is concrete, and concrete is on the streets. We are not concerned with the american dream : villas, swimming pools, drivers... We drive our car by ourselves. We don’t need a picky crew around us. It is very childish to prove than one can afford some materailistc things. It’s too American. --------------- The article ends up with various bio and musical considerations, and this last sentence : I woke up that morning, and my body left me. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Updated KRAFTWERK Links Date: 08 Sep 1997 17:02:17 -0700 Hello everyone, and a special ROBOTiK Welcome to all NewComers on this List! Oh, yes, and a big fat ROBORASPBERRY to all you LUCKY so-and-sos who went to TG and/or are going to Linz/Karlsruhe!*TH-B-B-B-B-PT*! So THERE, you Lucky DAWGS you!*grrrr*! BYTE ME! ;] ROBOWINKY -(um, yeah- you might as well know I'm a *MEGAFREAK*. I kid around a lot, but, I LOVE "my boys" more than anything else in the Universe, and I love my Fellow Fans. I'm KraZy, but, I'm totally for real.)- Anyway- I just updated my KRAFTWERK Links List, and I'll post it right after this. I'm always thrilled to meet other KW Fans- Let's CHAT! The #Kraftwerk Channel is too darned quiet. Please JOIN us! -(IRC or mIRC, DALnet)- See Links List for info, coming right up. Also, I'll be glad to Email the Links List to anyone who needs it sent separately. Unfortunately, I'm still missing a couple of URLs. Does anyone recall this huge index of KW pictures and interviews? -(along with many other artists)- The partial URL I have is "archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/artists", with individual names, IE: "/bartos.karl/", ending with "/kraftwerk/pictures/", particularly "/dummies.jpg". There were a lot of pictures and interviews on this site. I wish I could find it again! I'm also looking for "kraftwerk.ml.org/kraftwerk/index.htm"- if you know these, or any other good links I'm missing that are not already connected to the KW WebRing or Infobahr, please Email me so I can include them. Thank You! ps: VCR ALERT! I didn't want to say anything until I was certain, but- a couple of Fans and I are WERKing on collaborating some KW VIDEOS! It'll take a few weeks to compile, enhance images where needed, and transfer to European format, etc, but, it IS happening! Hang tight! It'll be worth the wait. Hell, we're KW Fans- we're used to waiting, right? -(Like, where's that Silk-Screen Frame that my friend promised me so I can produce my K-shirts?!!*ARGH*!!)- I'm TRYing, guys, really I am! I contributed my ONE and ONLY compilation KW Video tape- many thanks to the wonderful person who sent it to me! -(Who shall remain anoymous to keep from being mugged, okay?)- Being a KW Fan can be very Frustrating at times, but, the sheer *ECSTACY* of their Incredible VIBES makes it all worthwhile! I just want to share that *FEELING* of their MusiK- words can't describe it. Now, if only they'd tour the USA....*sigh*.... PLEASE, Lord, -just ONCE- let me see 'em in Konzert! Amen! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Re: KRAFTWERK RULES THE UNIVERSE!!!! -(Updated Links List)- Date: 08 Sep 1997 17:04:31 -0700 +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ *GREET.INGS*! Welcome aboard the KlingKlang Express! Just in case you don't already know, here's a few KRAFTWERK Links to get you started- Fun, Fun, Fun auf der INFOBAHN! :] ROBOSMILEY +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ KRAFTWERK's Official WebSite! Check it out! Click on each screen to advance to the next. Very "Minimalist" animated gifs and SoundBytes. True KRAFTWERK all the way! The KRAFTWERK Mail List- 'Good source for KW Info, and it's FREE! To subscribe, send Email to: Leave subject blank. In body type: subscribe kraftwerk <"whoever@wherever.com"> -(no quotes)-. You'll get a "confirmation" message shortly. Then, respond with the number they give you, and you'll receive the Welcome Message and Guidelines. NOTE: I include this Link because sometimes I meet Fellow KW Fans elsewhere on the Net. KRAFTWERK Mail List Archives. Catch up on all the recent and not-so-recent SubSpace Chatter on the Finest MeKaniKal MusiK-Meisters in the Universe!! -(Alternate)- There's also the #Kraftwerk Channel Chat Room on mIRC, using DALnet. To download the neccessary software, visit the gurus at: They can explain the technical stuff. We need more bodies! It's no fun sitting in an empty room, wasting net-hours, so, let's CHAT already! More info here: The Unofficial KRAFTWERK Infobahr: TONS o'StuFF! FAQs re: KRAFTWERK The KRAFTWERK Marktplatz- A KW "Swap Meet" on the Net! Beautiful Title Page! Hail Finlandia! Very Nice KW Page! OR Thomas Weckert's Picture Gallery- 'LOTS of Beautiful KW Fotos- and more pictures here: ....and here's where the boys WERK! Thomas maintains the KRAFTWERK WebRing. Most of these pages are Linked. <<<>>> Reymond Laurent took some EXcellent PIX at The Tribal Gathering, May 24/25, '97. from left-screen menu, select "Headliners". Let the various artists names/logos load in the right-hand screen, scroll down and click on KRAFTWERK, then scroll through the article for a NICE SurPriSe!! *Morph* and *ZOOM*!! "The Bright Side" !*WOW*! EXcellent WebSite! The KRAFTWERK JukeBox is Great! Yeah! KW's TG gig on RealAudio! Bob Weustink saved the Partial broadcast of their performance from the BBC Radio1/Essential mix on his HomePages. Good WERK, Bob! Czech it out! Live KW Fotos from a gig in Prague -with a few KuTe ROBOGraFFiX added. :] Jens Heidling's Sites of KRAFTWERK & S.P.O.C.K. -(Swedish SynthPop TREKKIES! Kinda KWish, but, way sillier!)- Klaus Zaepke's KRAFTWERK OnLine Library. 'LOTS of references to various KW Articles and reviews. Some are directly accessible on the Net. BTW: I have a few old KW Articles & a couple more silly KW drawings in my K-philes, if anyone's interested. A descriptive list is included here in Klaus' Library, but, the jpgs are a LOT smaller now than what was posted in my message at the time. Each item now ranges from about 30K to 100K per "page". Please Email me for details.... KW: The Early Years- nice pictures! -(Brief exerps from Pascal Bussy's book, _KRAFTWERK: Man, Machine, and Music_)- Mats Kadmark. Another dedicated Fan- KooL HomePage! Interesting Article & Fotos- 'tiny and not very clear, but.... SAKURA's KW BootList- Good Fotos of the CD covers! Kling und Klang! Another BootList. Text only. MIDI Alert! MegaSoundBytes! MORE KW sounds! *WHEW* That's all the Links I can find off-hand. There are plenty more that I would like to add, but, they are easily linked from many of those listed above. For some older links, I couldn't find the correct URL or the pages are down. I need to find these Links, for starters: http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/artists/k/kraftwerk -(The "Dummies" pic is excellent!)- http://kraftwerk.ml.org/kraftwerk/index.htm Please Email me if you want to share info or if you just wanna Chat! =OHM SWEET OHM= ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile. Your Personal Net is FREE! Anyone can PEEK at the "pages", but, it's Fun to join and find other Net People with similar interests. Until I can figure out how to set up a real HomePage, this will have to suffice....)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Members Lounge. Same Foto, different Text. Membership is FREE, but, you must join in order to see Members Profiles and post messages on the BBOARD.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) CMJ electronica concert--off topic Date: 08 Sep 1997 22:31:50 -0400 >>> What does it mean? I just encountered it for the first time two days ago. I would guess it's a blanket term for assorted electronic music? <<< It's a catch-all phrase that refers to pop-oriented electronic music, as opposed to "serious" electronic music. It's a shame that there's no way to distinguish between the two, naah mean? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re: (kw) Concerts Date: 09 Sep 1997 05:38:14 +0200 In message ID <33FF6F07.7BA3@stockholm.mail.telia.com> on 24.08.97,=20 mars.sjoestrand@stockholm.mail.telia.com wrote:=20 =20 >Hi everybody!=20 =20 >Just wondered how big the audience would be if the Karlsruhe gig would=20 >be sold out.=20 >What is the biggest audience KW ever played for? =20 >=20 >M=E5ns=20 >=20 >Wenn Wellen schwingen - Ferne Stimmen singen....=20 >=20 =B0=B0HI, HI!=20 =B0 Sorry for this aehem.. late reply but my bike has broken down=20 =B0 at an accident and so I have time enough to read a l l the mails in=20 my box. ,-)=20 >>...if the Karlsruhe gig would be sold out<<=20 =B0=B0 The Lady at the phone at ZMK told me, the limit are 4500 Persons.=20 =B0 And I think they all will be there. Except me... :-(=20 >What is the biggest audience KW ever played for? =20 =B0Hmm, can=B4t realy answer this but maybe the gig in Sellafield was=20 the biggest.=20 =B0 Let=B4s hear what Klaus mean.=20 =B0=B0Regards=20 =B0=B0Josef=20 =20 =20 _________________In _Wien_Sitzen_Wir_Im_Nachtcafe________________=20 ____________________Direktverbindung_T.E.E._____________________=20 =20 =20 =20 - I=B4m the antenna catching your vibration...........=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Regor@webtv.net (R. D.) Subject: Re: (kw) old vibrations. Date: 09 Sep 1997 00:06:43 -0400 Many thanKs to "jbv" for taking the time to send to the list the translation of that '81 intervieW with KW. I find it really interesting to find out what these people think in addition to what they sing. "jbv" comments on KW can be somewhat "ironic" at times, but if KW are the most human people playing the most artificial music, I think that the occasional critic of KW by "jbv" comes from someone who really cares about this list and about KW's music. ThanKs again ! -- Roger Regor@webtv.net Using WebTV since 01/09/97. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rmknudson@juno.com (matt knudson) Subject: (kw) KW CD-discography list? Date: 08 Sep 1997 23:25:14 -0700 Does anyone have an updated discography list of the compact discs that Kraftwerk have released? I would be interested in seeing this. I have about 7 of their discs, but I know there are lots more than that. (Just cd's, not the lp's and singles right now). Also, where is the best mail order spot to order KW material? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) missing posts?? Date: 08 Sep 1997 22:22:52 -0700 Just checking. I made 2 posts earlier today, re: KW Links, and they showed up immediately. Then I sent a brief post about 2 hours ago in response to "electronica", but, it hasn't shown up yet. -(I checked. No typos in the address.)- Several other posts have come in since then. Ah, macht nichts. ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Concerts Date: 09 Sep 1997 08:59:48 +0000 The review of Tribal Gathering 1997 said that KW played to 35,000 people! Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Kess Subject: (kw) David Byrne on CNN Date: 09 Sep 1997 04:10:27 -0400 I saw Showbiz on CNN today, David Byrne was giving an interview, because = of the release of his new album. He had a showroo dummy with his face = representing hom and his new album. He was talking about, how comfortable= = it is to let the dummy represent him and his music. He made the = journalist feel, as if he came up first with that idea. = Someone should have told him, that he just copied other peoples (you know= = who) ideas. = Which makes me think.. Did Kraftwerk come up as the first to let robots = or dummies represent themselves? bye Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3_Kalinowski?=" Subject: (kw) Counterfeit CD's Date: 09 Sep 1997 10:55:05 +0200 Dear Friends, I am completely out of time last days and therefore unable to read the mailing list messages, but I have something that probably did not appear earlier. As I work in a software publishing agency, member of BSA, etc., I have a common encounters with pirated CD's, both with software and music. Few weeks ago our private eye spotted a CD-R dealer who had our titles on stock. I had a chance to have a look at the list of titles he had. Will not mention juicy PC and PSX titles, amongst music CD's he had Electric Cafe and Radioactivity. After a little longer digging I found out these two marvelous titles came from Russia and are widely available on the Polish "black market". Both titles are made quite carefully, what is quite unusual, together with proper colours of the CD-label. These are American verisions (Warner). This clearly shows how strong KW is that it is profitable to pirate Radioactivity these days (other interesting goodies were e.g. Chemical Brothers (btw - nice Ohm sweet Ohm resampling), ApolloFourForty (btw. nice Autobahn contribution), Blumchen :), Backstreet Boys :))), Bjork, etc.) As feel the counterfeit KW CD's may be an interesting part of the KW goodies collection I decided to mention them into the mailing list. If you are interested in more details, please contact me personally at: pirx@ikp.pl Please excuse slow reactions from my end! Best Regards, Pawel M. Kalinowski Executive Manager / Mirage Software Tel: +48 22 616 1555, Mobile: +48 601 61 50 19 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) Apology to JBV Date: 09 Sep 1997 12:51:24 +0100 Thanks for the translation JBV, sorry if I was rude suggesting you don=B4t=20= know shit, I know you do, I do get your point about the "new song", for me the release of Electric caf=E9 once was a disappointment, with all the syntesiz= ers (or samplers) trying to sound like analog instruments, but today I really like the album, not like the ones before though=2E The one thing is that I think that we all should wait until the release of the album before judging, the other thing is that we probably all have our own complicated visions of what KW is and/or stands for and of course today is not 1978 or -81, today everybody and his dog could by some synthesizers equal to the Kling klang studio in the early eighties=2E=20 Anyway, my guess is that when they finally get this out on CD we will all b= e satisfied (well almost all of us), and it won=B4t sound like the movieclip=20= I=B4m convinced about that, I mean listen to any other recording of KW live, It sounds rather thin to me compared to the album versions=2E /johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Apotygma Berzerk Date: 09 Sep 1997 13:14:49 +0200 (DFT) The CD EP "Mourn" by Apotygma Berzerk contains a cover version of "Ohm Sweet Ohm", according to a recent message on de.rec.music.elektronisch. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Counterfeit CD's Date: 09 Sep 1997 13:55:24 +0100 Am I understanding it well ? You work for a software company which is member of BSA and you're offering counterfeited CDs to the list ? Did I miss something ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) CMJ electronica concert--off topic Date: 08 Sep 1997 20:22:06 -0700 > From: Adam Schefflan > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: Re: (kw) CMJ electronica concert--off topic > Date: Monday, September 08, 1997 7:31 PM > > >>> What does it mean? I just encountered it for the first time two > days ago. > I would guess it's a blanket term for assorted electronic music? <<< > > It's a catch-all phrase that refers to pop-oriented electronic music, as > opposed to "serious" electronic music. It's a shame that there's no way > to distinguish between the two, naah mean? Peace. Yeah, it's weird- the term "electronica" used to be applied to "academic" or "serious" electronic experimental and avant-gard music like Stockhausen and Subotnik, etc. Now the media applies it to "modern" electronic music of all kinds, including "Techno", "Ambient", etc. Too many "labels". Irritating, ain't it? Well, KRAFTWERK uses elements of ambient, industrial, classical, rock, folk, and pure electronics. They call themselves "ROBOT-POP". Now that's a label I can live with! :] ROBOSMILEY Rats- I forgot earlier- I also need the link to Jimmy's X3M Fina Sida. I think that's the right name. It had an Enterprise fly-by and all kinds of neat-o GraFfiX on TREK, KW, and X-files. Is this page still active? ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Old vibrations - part 2 Date: 09 Sep 1997 14:09:40 +0100 Meine liebe Kameraden, Since you asked for a translation of both interviews, here we go with the one from 1976. Please note that this interview is referenced and quoted by Bussy in his book. Along with these interviews, I found a few photographs I haven't seen on any Web site, including a great close up portrait of Florian. Anyone interested ? (Klaus ?) I guess I should be able to digitize and mail them quite soon... Enjoy - jbv This interview was made by Paul Alessandrini and published in french=20 magazine Rock & Folk 118, nov. 1976 Q : Why did you make that trip to Los Angeles last summer ? A : We made the final mix at the Record Plant studio. But it=92s mostly=20 because our album evokes the european culture, it is spiritually=20 european and it=92s a new conscience that we discovered during our trip o= n the american continent in 75. Everybody asked us how was life in=20 Germany, in Paris. People wanted to know where was our culture at that=20 point. People used to say that we were not rock n=92 roll, then thanks to= =20 these trans-atlantic trips we discovered our cultural identity as=20 Europeans. Q : In your show, you played two new songs refering to Europe : =93Europe= =20 Endless=94 and =93TEE=94. Do you really believe in this european=20 consciousness ? Aren=92t you german anymore ? A : It=92s not a nationalist feeling... The culture of the Rhine area is=20 our cultural background. What amazed us in the States, is that everyone=20 shows his own background much more than in Europe, although we have=20 museums and a very rich history. In the States however, there are only=20 =93blocks=94, then people are asked to show this background on a=20 psychological and individual level... A (Florian) : When you are in an american studio, there=92s a distance=20 which allows you to see all this very clearly. A (Ralf) : In Germany, the young guys play american music, and we, in=20 Hollywood, play germanic music... A (Florian) : When I heard american musicians, of course it had nothing=20 to do with those young Germans who think they play =93american=94... Q : Don=92t you think you=92re in the same position as Fritz Lang making=20 some american product (thriller) in Hollywood, but movies full of an=20 expressionist german culture ? A : Yes, in a sense. Distance allows to see more clearly. To get=20 conscious of things, you must go out and watch. For us, the problem was=20 to go outside ourselves, of our existence limited by the same tours in=20 Germany, to look at our own culture in a distance. Q : Could you explain your present success by this consciousness ? A : I don=92t have any rational explanation, so much more so as people, i= n=20 France for instance, buy our records but don=92t really come to our=20 concerts. Q : So, how do you explain this difference between the albums and the=20 gigs ? A : The album always starts from a concept : =93Radioactivity=94 came fro= m=20 an idea that fascinated us for a long time, the concept of the radio and=20 all the phenomenon of the airwaves, the transmission of any radio-active=20 material. We are thrilled by that stuff, end the idea of that album was=20 in our heads for at least three years. During our first tour in the=20 U.S., we have visited all the independant radios, for we used to see=20 ourselves as a radio station... but it=92s impossible to start something=20 like that in Germany, because of the state monopole. So, the only way to=20 do it is through records, and to use concerts to amplify even more the=20 =93media record=94. But few people still come to our shows, because it=92= s=20 difficult for them to imagine that it=92s a band who plays that music and= =20 that it can be reproduced live. They thought it was only studio work...=20 like Sgt Pepper, for instance, which the Beatles couldn=92t play live=20 because they knew three chords only. Q : Some nasty people compared the success of =93Radioactivity=94 to the=20 success of =93Pop Corn=94... A : =93Pop Corn=94 was only a =93gimmick composition=94. There was nobody= behind=20 it, whereas for =93Radioactivity=94, it=92s our duty (and perhaps even yo= urs)=20 to show what=92s behind it. It was indispensable for us to produce that=20 album and to go beyond it. It=92s a stage and the witness of a moment. Q : That record obviously fascinated such people as Bowie or Iggy Pop... A : It=92s normal. It=92s a little bit like a snapshot, a diaphragm that=20 puts light exactly on a mental and musical aspect that nobody had=20 considered before. Here, people have always taken pictures of English=20 and Americans, and we had to turn the camera and to take a picture of=20 ourselves, to expose ourselves to the media, because the post-war german=20 generation remained in the shadow : those who are older than us had=20 Elvis or the Beatles for idols... those are not bad options, but if we=20 completely forget our identity, it becomes quickly =93empty=94 and not=20 consistent. There=92s a whole generation in Germany, between 30 and 50,=20 who has lost its own identity, and who even never had any. Q : So you pretend being able to help the german youth to find their=20 own identity ? A : The living culture of Central Europe has been cut in the 30s, and=20 all the intellectuals went to the U.S. or to France, or they have been=20 eliminated. We take back that culture of the 30s at the point where it=20 was left, and this on a spiritual level... A (Florian) : Electro-acoustic instruments have been developped in Europe, in Germany, in France... Q : So you make a connection between a culture of the past, but using=20 modern tools, and using the mass media in the american way... A : The tape recorder has been invented in Germany ! We also use=20 microphones in Germany. But of course, there=92s no question of a nationa= l=20 cult... Q : For some people, you=92re doing a primary music, although your musica= l=20 justifications are highly intellectual. A : It is true that it=92s very hard to compose something as simple as=20 =93Autobahn=94, hard to draw the shortest line between two points... A (Florian) : It=92s like in science : it can seem very simple, atoms and= =20 radioactivity... once it=92s been discovered ! Q : Is it because you need to feel closed to the audience that you=20 choosed the world of rock music and that you mention the Beach Boys as=20 your reference ? A : Yes, in their songs they managed to concentrate a maximum of=20 fundamental ideas. In 100 years from now, when people will want to know=20 what California was like in the 60s, they only had to listen a single by=20 the Beach Boys. Q : So, in the same way, when people will want to know about Europe in=20 1976, they=92ll listen to Kraftwerk ? A : Yes, I hope so. If our communication system works really fine... Q : So, in which direction are you working ? Towards something even more=20 =93robotic=94 ? A : The =93movie=94 side of our work will be extended. When you work with= =20 tapes, it spins, it becomes a film-media, beyond music. I don=92t mean we= =20 are going to produce films - we already shot a very short one - but we=20 will rather, during the shows, include electronic ballets in which we=20 will be acting ourselves, making movements with our bodies, movements=20 that correspond to certain vibrations... some new concepts on which we=20 are working for our next tour. A (Ralf) : we have machines which allow us to make our ideas come true,=20 and while they are doing it, we can go even further, to a next step. A (Florian) : The other german bands, with the help of their machines,=20 are making a trip backwards, while we are rather making a trip forward. Q : As for the other german =93spacey=94 bands, it looks like they refuse= to=20 see the machines for what they are, and that they propose meditation=20 instead. For you, machines exhibit themselves and become a form of=20 provocation, of agression... A : It=92s agression and agressive beauty. A (Florian) : We also have melodies, we try to create a contrast between=20 those two elements. A (Ralf) : We compose our melodies as we hum in the studio, and the=20 rythm comes from the sounds of the machines. Q : As for what people see on stage, is it a conscious reference to the=20 great german expressionist movies like =93the cabinet of doctor Caligari=94 ? A : Yes, indeed, we worked on that... A (Florian) : sometimes I=92m scared by all that stuff on stage, it=92s s= o=20 hard. There=92s too much noise, but it works like a sado-masochist=20 fascination. A (Ralf) : In electronic music, unlike people think, psychology plays=20 the greatest part. Q : When we went together to the exhibition of =93Machines Celibataires=94= ,=20 you looked fascinated by the most evil machines... A : We are also single (celibataires) ourselves (laughs) ! Q : Tell me about your meeting with Bowie and your projects... A : We should have worked together already, but the success of the last=20 album forced us to tour until october, and our projects were postponed.=20 But with Bowie, what makes us closed from each other, it=92s mostly=20 similar considerations about psychology. It=92s the same with Iggy. By th= e=20 way, we have dedicated a song of our new album to them (TEE)... They=92re= =20 just like us, big fans of trains. No other band could evoke the world of=20 trains better than us, I think. The metallic music, metal on metal... We=20 are going to record with Bowie. He will come to Dusseldorf pretty soon=20 for that. We still don=92t know what we=92re gonna do together, it=92s mo= stly=20 an encounter... A (Florian) : We have always been interested by what Bowie is doing,=20 especially in his last albums. He started from hard rock, and he=92s now=20 on the step of electro-acoustic music, while we went the opposite way,=20 from electronic music to rock music... So I think that what will happen=20 will be thrilling. A (Ralf) : I think it=92s the same kind of research for a synthetic man.=20 We were fascinated by the creation of that concept and we tried to=20 develop it by ourselves, without the help of a producer. Anyone who is=20 working in show bizness wait for someone else to create their specific=20 image. We said to ourselves : we don=92t want to wait, we will discover=20 ourselves alone. A (Florian) : Usually, behind the stars, there=92s always some Colonel=20 Parker... Q : But do you think people are doing the equivalent of your work in=20 movies, painting, etc. A : Emil, who works with us, is a student of Joseph Post, the most=20 famous german master of visual art, one of the creators of the Fluxus=20 group, interested in actions and happenings. Emil works on the visual=20 side of our shows and writes some of the lyrics. In Germany, for about=20 5 years, there=92s a great movement of parallel movie makers from which=20 we feel quite close. For instance, Fassbinder used our music for his=20 next movie =93La Roulette Chinoise=94, and we will work with him again in= =20 the future. All this paranoid consciousness is specific to german=20 movies. Every young german movie maker is scared by the camera... Q : Just like in expressionist movies in which there was always a poetic=20 vision of reality... A : Yes, exactly. Q : What is the subject of =93Europe Endless=94, this new composition tha= t=20 you sing on stage ? A : We traveled across all Europe, and especially after a tour in the=20 States, we became conscious that Europe is mostly parcs and old=20 hotels... =93promenades and avenues=94... =93real life=94... real life, b= ut in=20 a world of postcards. Europe, when back from the States, it=92s only a=20 succession of postcards... Q : Did you go to some concerts during your trip in the States ? Did you=20 see the Beach Boys live ? A : Yes, we have seen them in a big stadium. It was gorgeous, like a=20 rebirth. There=92s a wonderful and very poignant song in their last album= ,=20 =93Once in my life=94. I=92d like to dare to say once in my life what Bri= an=20 Wilson says in that song... Q : Where does your passion for the Beach Boys come from ? A : The intelligence of their thoughts regarding american reality put=20 onto records. A (Florian) : When we reached California and Hollywood, we were able to=20 say : yes, it=92s exactly like that, like in the songs of the Beach Boys. Q : And would you like people to say the same thing about your music=20 and Europe, and especially Germany ? A : That=92s exactly what Bowie told us : when he came to see us in=20 Dusseldorf in his Mercedes, he took the highway while listening to=20 =93Autobahn=94 on the car stereo. He said : it=92s exactly like that,=20 everything is in your tune. Q : And with Iggy Pop ? A : We met him in a lift, and it=92s been a true contact right away. I=20 always liked what the Stooges were doing : they =93dared=94. With=20 electronics, you can hide yourself behind the machines, or you can=20 expose yourself. There are various ways of exhibing oneself. We are=20 perhaps also interested in Iggy because of the Fluxus happenings in=20 which I was involved when I was student... =93action, action baby !=94 Wi= th=20 electronic instruments, you can be alone, all alone on stage, like Iggy=20 : you don=92t even have a guitar to hide yourself. To some physical=20 discoveries of rock music can correspond some fundamental and terrible=20 psychological discoveries, like reading a book that changes the vision=20 of the world you had before. After that, you never walk quite the same=20 way... Q : Why are you using this strange system in place of drums ? A : Iggy Pop, for instance, was a drummer and he stopped to go even=20 further. He became a singer. With drums, the drummer hides himself=20 behind an =93action=94. Our purpose was to open, to go one step beyond an= d=20 to produce music for loud speakers. We couldn=92t achieve this with a=20 traditional drummer : with our two percussionists, we worked for months=20 to develop that system, and it changed our lives. Q : What do these two drummers represent compared to the duet of the=20 two of you ? A : They are part of Kraftwerk. Of course, with Florian we play music=20 for 10 years, while they work on our side for 3 years only and they=20 penetrate only slowly the Kraftwerk universe. We couldn=92t play our=20 music with anybody. It=92s important to be able to understand each other,= =20 because electronic humour is not obvious for everybody. Q : Please give an exemple of this electronic humour... A : Well, you can listen to =93Autobahn=94 and then drive on the highway.= =20 Then you=92ll realize that your car is a musical instrument. So many=20 things can be funny... It=92s a real philosophy of life that comes from=20 electronics. Q : Same thing about your taste for costumes and grey shoes, perhaps ? A : Yes, everything comes from a consciousness in front of tape=20 machines, cameras, all those machines produced by electronics. Q : What is exactly the role of Emil ? A : He is our medium. He writes lyrics, takes care of the lights. A (Florian) : when I met Emil, and when he showed his comics to me, I=20 thought they looked like our music. Q : Could you split up some day ? A : We already tried, but it didn=92t work. Our understanding is too=20 stimilating : we discovered lots of things bacause we were together,=20 and loneliness could never have taken us where we are now. It=92s a=20 necessary duality... kling - klang. Q : And the new album ? A : It will be released in january. We still have a lot of work to do,=20 because since we had the chance to play the new songs live, we know what=20 doesn=92t work. On one side, our music is very simple, built around a=20 story board, and at the same time very experimental. The new songs are=20 always born from the old ones, like the new branch growing on top of=20 the old one. In the name of the album, there will be of course the word=20 =93Europe=94, and the sleeve will be made from a set of mirrors reflectin= g=20 our pictures. By the way, there is a song called =93The Hall Of Mirrors=94= =20 in the album : the story of what we did since the beginning, our=20 psychological trip, in some ways the other side of the background. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:55:06 +-200 Date: 09 Sep 1997 10:59:07 -0600 Hi Werkers! I have updated the Marktplatz! Is this better (easier)?? Feedback please!!! /Uffe Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden http://www.algonet.se/~silverup/kraft E-Mail: silverup@algonet.se or robotronik@rocketmail.com _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ *Why*Does*It*Hurt*When*My*Heart*Misses*The*Beat*?* ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Old vibrations - part 2 Date: 09 Sep 1997 10:54:33 -0700 -(jbv says)- > Along with these interviews, I found a few photographs I haven't > seen on any Web site, including a great close up portrait of Florian. > Anyone interested ? (Klaus ?) I guess I should be able to digitize > and mail them quite soon... A portrait of Florian?? WOW- can you Email it to me when you get it scanned?? -(and/or the whole article, if you're scanning it all as one image. whatever's easiest- not TOO massive bandwidth, okay?)- Thank you for posting this interview- very interesting! I want to add it to my K-philes. Oh, and try not to be TOO disappointed with a 30 second sample of KW's New Song- After all, they've only had about 11 years to come up with new material. Give the ol' geezers a break. ;] ROBOWINKY "Ve arr too busy riding bicycles und eating ice-cream. Zum TEUFFEL mit ze fans- ve don't care about musik anymore." Yes, I made up that "quote", but, hell, they might as well come right out and say it. They just don't give a shit. I'm going to have to build my own KW Klones and be done with it. Seriously, it took E.Cafe a while to grow on me. -(Okay, so, it ain't my fave album, but, I DO appreciate the "3-D" sounds of E.Cafe. It's very "Multi-dimensional".)- The small sample of the New Song isn't much to go on. I like it okay, but, I'm waiting to hear the whole tune before I go totally nuts over it. And, yeah, the TRON suits might be "dated", but, I like the way they match the "wire-frame" GraFFiX. It's just a matter of taste, that's all. As an older-generation Fan, I can definitely concur that KW were WAY ahead of everyone else in the 70's, and now that the rest of the world has finally caught up with them, they sound a lot like all the other artists who've been sampling them for the past 10 years. I can understand some KW Fans being disappointed. I love 'em dearly, but, come ON, boys, get to WERK!! Send the ROBOTS over here to America if you hate our country so much and don't wanna come yourselves. We'll take care of 'em and set 'em up for you, etc- but, do SOMEthing! Jeeeeez.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (kw) Concerts Date: 09 Sep 1997 18:06:34 +0100 As far as I know, the biggest kraftwerk audience is Tribal Gathering, which was held in the biggest tent in Europe, with a capacity of 10,800 people. Additionally, the sides of the tent were lifted up so that people not inside the tent could see, so I estimate somewhere between 16,000-20,000 people were in attendence, being in the tent though, I couldn't really judge. The Sellafield concert was at Manchester G-Mex, capacity approx. 12,000 but sinmce Kraftwerk played in daylight on a Friday afternoon, I think attendance would have only numbered 6,000 max. Since it was headlined by U2 many U2 fans would not have turned up until after work, e.g. 6:15, by when K-w would have finished. > ># Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? ># Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ># Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Concerts Date: 09 Sep 1997 20:01:05 +0100 >The review of Tribal Gathering 1997 said that KW played to 35,000 >people! 35,000! Absolutely no way - it more like 3500 - the tent would have had to have been over twice the size of Earls Court to accommodate that many people... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJ lava lamp Subject: (kw) the end of violence... Date: 09 Sep 1997 16:42:54 -0400 well...i went to hmv this afternoon and lo and behold there it was... the sountrack to the end of violence...but NO kraftwerk ! who originally said there would be a new kw track on this cd ? i've waited for 11 years for new stuff, and yet another dissapointment... oh well...maybe they should title it the "end of patience" d. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Humphrey" Subject: Re: (kw) Concerts Date: 09 Sep 1997 21:59:14 -0000 > From: Jon Alsbury > Subject: Re: (kw) Concerts > Date: 09 September 1997 19:01 > >The review of Tribal Gathering 1997 said that KW played to 35,000 > >people! > > 35,000! Absolutely no way - it more like 3500 - the tent would have had > to have been over twice the size of Earls Court to accommodate that > many people... The figure of 35,000 was probably the total attendance for Tribal Gathering, not the KW audience. It was packed, but not THAT packed ;-) Being near the front it was hard to tell how large the audience was, apart from getting more and more crushed during the latter half of the set. Mark. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: (kw) Opera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: 09 Sep 1997 20:17:12 I have an excellent quality tape of an '81 concert in Utrecht. It includes a superb rendition of Metropolis with a vocal can than only be descibed as "operatic"! Do any of you scribes know if this particular version is available on CD, the quality suggest it was recorded from the Soundboard. Note to Craig and Jules, hi guys I've been quiet cos I've been away, I WILL get those Numan tickets sorted!! regards to all Richard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J|rgen B|rjesson Subject: (kw) Re: Opera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: 10 Sep 1997 09:10:47 +0200 (MET DST) >I have an excellent quality tape of an '81 concert in Utrecht. It includes a >superb rendition of Metropolis with a vocal can than only be descibed as >"operatic"! Do any of you scribes know if this particular version is available >on CD, the quality suggest it was recorded from the Soundboard. The 'Toccata Electronica' bootleg lists track #4 as Metropolis (Machine-version live Utrecht 1981) Guess this could be the one, or? /jorgen borjesson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Linz Concert Date: 10 Sep 1997 11:30:09 +0200 Good day: I got my ticket today! Jippei...! Does anybody have informations about the Posthof? Georgie We are standing here, exposing ourselves, We are showroom dummies... http://www.kraftwerk.com -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon.O'Conmhaigh@fp.eureko.ie Subject: (kw) Godfathers of Techno Date: 10 Sep 1997 11:12 +0000 (GMT) While this term appears to be used quite regularly on this list in describing Kraftwerk I wonder what many of you would consider as the artists following on from Kraftwerk ? It seems to me that for many people on this list their association with techno began and ended with Kraftwerk. That could explain people's high regard for the new track i.e. it's probably the only techno music they've listened to in the past 10 years - is it right to compare new Kraftwerk work with either a) previous Kraftwerk work, or b) contemporary techno ? How many of you have followed Kraftwerk's legacy and kept abreast of new techno music ? how many of you still pull out old Gary Numan albums and treat Kraftwerk as a nostalgic & historical item? What do you think kraftwerk would do? if they had the attitude of some people on this list they would have just copied the prog-rock of other bands of the 70's. just curious # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Concerts Date: 10 Sep 1997 10:49:30 GMT Mark Humphrey wrote: >Being near the front it was hard to tell how large the audience was, = apart >from getting more and more crushed during the latter half of the set. I read in the Musik special on the TG that it was approx 8,000 in the Kraftwerk tent, including the overspill to the outside. The fact that two other tents closed down during their set probably added to the numbers trying the ancient art of 'sardines'. ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Godfathers of Techno Date: 10 Sep 1997 12:13:45 +0000 IMHO it seems that alot of people on this list do not like to associate themselves with the Techno culture of the '90's, probably why they also do not approve of the latest KW track. It maybe that some just do not like modern Techno, or that they have not experienced true Techno. Kenny Larkin, Juan Atkins, Derrick May etc., etc., are excellent artists to check out, their music is not just some 808 left to run on a repetitive beat but full of melodic and musical content. If you can get hold of a copy, check out Jazz Masters Volume 1, it features these artists and more and is highly recommended, it's a triple vinyl pack, I am not sure if you can get it on CD! Personally I can't wait for the new material, I think that the sample we have all seen and heard is fantastic, almost one of the best. Especially after seing this performed live I would suggest that all listies should wait until they have heard the full version before making a final descision. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thorsten Dowe Subject: Re: (kw) Godfathers of Techno Date: 10 Sep 1997 13:32:13 +0200 It seems to me that for many > people on this list their association with techno began and ended with > Kraftwerk. Wooouuw, man, you´re talking to someone who was living in Berlin when Techno was born. I heard Underground Resistance LIVE, and some other guys. For me the most so called techno-music nowadays is just simplest pop or even worse. Thorsten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rmknudson@juno.com (matt knudson) Subject: (kw) Discography? Date: 10 Sep 1997 06:08:02 -0700 Well, I am still waiting for one of you out there to post a Kraftwerk CD discography. Lets stick to the compact discs (official releases and bootlegs) since LP's are few and far between these days. I know that someone out there has this info. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Opera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: 10 Sep 1997 14:19:12 +0200 =20 >>I have an excellent quality tape of an '81 concert in Utrecht. It=20 >includes a=20 >>superb rendition of Metropolis with a vocal can than only be descibed=20 >as=20 >>"operatic"! Do any of you scribes know if this particular version is=20 >available=20 >>on CD, the quality suggest it was recorded from the Soundboard.=20 =20 >The 'Toccata Electronica' bootleg lists track #4 as=20 >Metropolis (Machine-version live Utrecht 1981)=20 =20 >Guess this could be the one, or?=20 =20 Yes, I am quite sure it is the one, since I have the "Toccata=20 Electronica" bootleg as well as a recording from the Utrecht concert=20 and they have the same versions of Metropolis.=20 =20 If you would like to listen to this version of Metropolis (and don't=20 have it already), you could download either the excerpt (711 Kb, wave=20 file) or the complete version (2,21 Mb, mp3 file) on my KW-page :=20 www.student.gu.se/~maka0067 =20 =20 =20 Another question: the "Zehn kleine Negerlein" on the above mentioned=20 "Toccata Electronica", isn't really KW, is it ???=20 =20 Ciao!=20 =20 Mats=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe meeting Date: 10 Sep 1997 14:23:53 +0200 Hello!=20 =20 Just wondering who is organising the Karlsruhe meeting, where and when=20 will we all meet? No big hurry with the answering of course, still some=20 weeks to go!=20 =20 Mats=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J|rgen B|rjesson Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Opera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: 10 Sep 1997 15:40:15 +0200 (MET DST) On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Mats Kadmark wrote: > > >>I have an excellent quality tape of an '81 concert in Utrecht. It > >includes a > >>superb rendition of Metropolis with a vocal can than only be descibed > >as > >>"operatic"! Do any of you scribes know if this particular version is > >available > >>on CD, the quality suggest it was recorded from the Soundboard. > > >The 'Toccata Electronica' bootleg lists track #4 as > >Metropolis (Machine-version live Utrecht 1981) > > >Guess this could be the one, or? > > Yes, I am quite sure it is the one, since I have the "Toccata > Electronica" bootleg as well as a recording from the Utrecht concert > and they have the same versions of Metropolis. > Another question: the "Zehn kleine Negerlein" on the above mentioned > "Toccata Electronica", isn't really KW, is it ??? No, I doubt it very much. Ok, I can't prove anything but it sounds like it's just one of those 'pretend-to-be-KW' tracks that occurs on bootlegs. Well, sometimes these tracks are good, sometimes they're not so good. This 'Zehn Kleine Negerlein' ('Ten Little Negroes' if my knowledge of german is not too bad) is IMHO not one of the best ones... /jorgen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: Re[2]: (kw) Concerts Date: 10 Sep 1997 13:50:24 _ >The review of Tribal Gathering 1997 said that KW played to 35,000 >people! I believe that figure was the total number of visitors to TG, not just to the Trance Europe tent. Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J. A." Subject: Re: (kw) Opera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: 10 Sep 1997 05:12:10 +0200 >"operatic"! Do any of you scribes know if this particular version is available >on CD, the quality suggest it was recorded from the Soundboard. You can found this track in the bootleg CD "TOCCATA ELECTRONICA" Regards. Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe meeting Date: 10 Sep 1997 17:43:56 +0100 Mats Kadmark wrote: > > Hello! > > Just wondering who is organising the Karlsruhe meeting, where and when > will we all meet? No big hurry with the answering of course, still some > weeks to go! > And what if the karlsruhe gig is canceled ? Are we going to meet anyway ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Godfathers of Techno Date: 10 Sep 1997 11:31:59 -0600 (MDT) On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 Simon.O'Conmhaigh@fp.eureko.ie wrote: > Kraftwerk. That could explain people's high regard for the new track > i.e. it's probably the only techno music they've listened to in the > past 10 years - is it right to compare new Kraftwerk work with either Huh? Techno was only barely getting started 10 years ago. > a) previous Kraftwerk work, or That depends. We'll have to wait and see how different the new album is, if there is a new album. Even if it's radically different from what's come before, we can still talk about the direction KW is taking. > b) contemporary techno ? I would say you can compare techno to KW, but not KW to techno. In this case it's clear the egg (KW) came before the chicken (techno). > How many of you have followed Kraftwerk's legacy and kept abreast of > new techno music ? I only listen to radio stations that play techno and ambient, and I've been doing so for 7 or 8 years I guess. KW gets played occasionally, and that's how I found out about The Mix - one of the tracks was played on Chris Sheppard's radio show. > how many of you still pull out old Gary Numan > albums I'm not very fond of Numan, but then I haven't heard much of his work. > and treat Kraftwerk as a nostalgic & historical item? Nonsense. Their music is refreshing and still better than much new stuff. > What do > you think kraftwerk would do? About what? /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Old vibrations - part 3 Date: 10 Sep 1997 19:27:42 +0100 Hi people, Do you realize how lucky you are ? Today I found another interview of KW made in 1978 during the promotion of MM. It was published in french mag Rock & Folk # 137 june 78, and it was made by Yves Adrien (aka Orphan). This interview is quite cryptic. Actually, it was Orphan’s trademark at that time, when nightclubbing was the trend, and when Amanda Lear and Moroder were a large part of the soundscape. BTW, I also found another long interview made in 91 by Michael Reinboth for the german fanzine Frontpage. Does anyone know this interview, and is there a translation available somewhere ? jbv Q : Let’s talk about “Man Machine”. Is the man in “Man Machine” submissive to the machine ? Florian : I don’t think so. It’s rather a more sophisticated relationship. There is an interaction. Interaction on both sides. The machine helps the man, and the man admires the machine. (showing the Sony tape recorder) This is the extension of your brain. It helps you remembering. It’s the third man sitting at this table. As for ourselves, we love our machines. We have an erotic relationship with them. Q : Yes, there were three steps : man and woman, man and heroin, man and the machine. (Enters Ralph Hutter) Forian : We were talking about the man-machine. We just started... Q : It’s quite hard to talk. Thinking is enough. When we met at the Drugstore, last night, we didn’t talk. And still we said a lot of things... Florian : It happened to me yesterday evening with D. The people who were with her asked me some questions. The wanted to understand, and it was so slow. We could not... Q : ... be in contact. Talking is a regression. Ralph : Yes. Actually, it’s a tradition inherited from the Bible. In the Bible, language is considered as the highest form of art : “At the beginning was the word”. But for us, Bible is over. There are much faster things, electric things. In our music, words are only given as a pretext. We don’t express ourselves through them. Florian : there are only signs : turn left, turn right... Q : Words are a barrier to the brain. Ralph : Yes. And everything is programed by schools. Q : In school we learn to be slow... Florian : Perhaps should we invent a synthetic language... Ralph : In German, in order to describe situations, there is that concept of “movie”. It’s a daily concept : “I met X in this or that movie”. Everyone has his own “movie”... Q : One thing I’d like to discuss is the existence of the Duplicate. The modern form of creation, in my opinion, is to create a Duplicate which is then telecontrolled. And when the media focuseon the Duplicate, their attention comes back to you magnified. In fact, the man-machine has no ego. Florian : The man-machine has a hyper-ego. Ralph : This is not the level of “individual concentration” anymore. The point of view of the nineteen century is over. The myth of the important artist has been overexploited. It doesn’t fit anymore with the standards of modern society. Today, mass production rules. Q : In Paris this week, it’s the time for fashon shows. The most superficial week of the year. Superficiality (?) erases a lot of things. It allows to get an empty brain, which is the ideal condition to create... Florian : Yes. We say “blank tape” for the brain. A blank tape, and a microphone in each ear. In music, it’s important to develop an art of listening based on emptyness. Q : Let’s go back to superficiality. You’ve been in Paris for two days et you went twice to the Palace. The Palace is the symbol of superficiality. You seem to like that place... Ralph : Yes, for us it’s like an electronic fair. To be alone in the crowd... Florian : It’s a movie theater for us. Everyone is a star. The spotlights search the stars... for a few seconds only (grin). (the discussion drifts to Warhol : “everybody will be star for 15 minutes”) the stars that spotlights reveal and then abandon... Ralph : You mentioned the Duplicate. We understand that. We were born biologically from a moment of hazard, our from a moment of post-war joy. But we were born in ourselves. We have an internal duplicate. Florian : In german, there’s an expression : to walk beside yourself. It means that you’re absent and conscious of it. Ralph : The image is here, and the camera is there. Q : Do you listen to Diskö ? Ralph : Yes, metallic Disko. Disko with a K... Q : What do you think of Georgio Moroder ? “From here to eternity” is quite closed to what you are... Florian : Yes. In Germany, some people asked me if it was our new record. I was quite surprised that I haven’t heard it yet. Ralph : Diskö is a social institution. It’s a public living-room. Mostly in Germany. We only go out in clubs. The record is a living energy, an energy for urban beings. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: (kw) Godfathers of Techno Date: 10 Sep 1997 13:02:57 -0500 Ra wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 Simon.O'Conmhaigh@fp.eureko.ie wrote: > > > Kraftwerk. That could explain people's high regard for the new track > > i.e. it's probably the only techno music they've listened to in the > > past 10 years - is it right to compare new Kraftwerk work with either > I like the new track because of how it sounds. It sounds like Kraftwerk did it. I like what Kraftwerk does. They're the only band I've listened to that I can say haven't really written a "dud" track in their career. I used to be a die-hard techno-head, so I am, well, was, familiar with the music that was going on. I like Kraftwerk for Kraftwerk, not Kraftwerk in comparison to everybody else or because of the historical significance, etc. I suppose part of the root of my adoration is their ethos, their belief in mass-production of music, computer assistance, and so forth. They've managed to evolve their music, change their sound and so forth without abandoning their ideals. Most musical pioneers of that era can't say the same..heck, most of them don't really *have* a philosophy. Ok, so maybe Kraftwerk aren't strictly relevant to modern techno anymore. I'm sure that their new album will not break any new technological or philosophical ground. Who cares? If it's good music, what difference does it make? (And yeah, I *do* listen to "Are Friends' Electric?" from time to time, partially for nostalgia value, partially cuz I really like that song. :) -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: Re: (kw) Linz Concert Date: 10 Sep 1997 17:26:29 +0200 (MEST) Hi! On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Georg Jajus wrote: > Good day: I got my ticket today! Jippei...! > Does anybody have informations about the Posthof? Yes! Greetings from Austria zilli *********************** Alexander Peter Zillner EDV-Beratung Schussweg 8 4210 Unterweitersdorf *********************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Ooops ! (was : Old vibrations - part 3) Date: 10 Sep 1997 20:24:16 +0100 In the middle of the 1978 interview, please read : Florian : THEY are only signs : turn left, turn right... ---- jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Fw: (kw) Old vibrations - part 3 Date: 10 Sep 1997 11:49:49 -0700 Once again, jbv has blessed us with another fascinating KW interview! ThanX again, jbv! A couple of major points caught me by the heartstrings.... > Florian: As for ourselves, we love our machines. We have an erotic > relationship with them. *sigh* Lucky machines! I've always thought this same thing, even before I discovered KW in '78. The discussion of Telepathy is also right on target. Words just get in the way. Direct brainlink with KlingKlang would be the Ultimate! They've mentioned that concept in other interviews- to plug in and "play any sound you can think of". YES! I'm THERE! Plug me IN! re: Giorgio Moroder.... > Q : What do you think of Georgio Moroder ? “From here to eternity” is > quite closed to what you are... > > Florian : Yes. In Germany, some people asked me if it was our new > record. I was quite surprised that I haven’t heard it yet. -????- I don't recognize that title. It's not the one with "E=MC2", is it? -(Uh, no, I think that is the title of this album I have, as well as a track. It's too "Disco" for me, but, I love the cover art! Rats- I can't find it at the moment to give the artist's name. Moroder looks like a ROBOT! KooL!)- I have some EARLY Moroder: "Einzelganger", 1975 -(EXcellent album!)- and "Son of My Father", 1972. -(Very rare. Not pure electronic, but, good music nevertheless. Especially "Tears", the last track.)- I'm looking for the "Chase" theme he did for the "Cat People" movie. I recall it was on the flip-side of Bowie's title theme on a 45 in a JukeBox I knew many years ago.*sigh*. Ah, fond memories.... Erotic relationship with Machines, indeed! If Ralf & Florian only knew- it's SPOOKY, like I'm psychically linked to them or something. I think the same way they do. I get an image or sound in my brain, and it turns up on their next album- it happened with CW and E.Cafe, for sure. I swear, I'm picking up signals from KlingKlang: "I'm the Antenna catching vibration...." They're the Transmitter giving information, and vice/versa. *shiver* What a thrill! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lars Nellemann Subject: (kw) Tribal Gathering 97 concert on CD for sale Date: 10 Sep 1997 21:24:29 +0200 Hi Kraftwerk at TRIBAL GATHERING 97 - The full concert on CD I have a few of this double CD set for sale. This is the full Tribal Gathering Kraftwerk concert, not the amputated BBC session - It's the full 90 Minutes, and as a bonus a Japanese concert containing a very long live version of autobahn. The set contains a full lenght live version of the NEW KRAFTWERK SONG, and the 27 sec MTV clip of the same song. The tribal gathering is an audience recording, which score 6 out of 10, the Budokan Concert is a Radio-recording, which score 8 out of 10. The double set cost 50 US$, including postage, anywere in the world. If you're interested - Mail me for further instructions. nelleman@biobase.dk Kraftwerk, Luton Hoo, Tribal Gathering Festival 24 May 1997 Disk 1: 4:59 Numbers 3:39 Computerworld 7:50 It's More fun to compute 9:12 Man Machine 5:30 Tour de France 12:11 Autobahn 8:06 Radioaktivity 8:49 Trans Europe Express/Abzug/Metal on Metal 10:56 Pocket calculator/Dentaku Disk 2: 9:36 Robots 6:22 New Track 10:03 Music Non-Stop 0:27 New Song clip from MTV Kraftwerk, Tokyo, Budokan Hall 9 July 1981 8:16 Neonlights 5:48 Computerlove 4:51 Homecomputer 17:41 Autobahn 5:36 Showroom Dummies # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering 97 concert on CD for sale Date: 10 Sep 1997 20:30:42 GMT Lars Nellemann wrote: >The double set cost 50 US$, including postage, anywere in the world. Well, This is profit making to the extreme isn't it. I also will soon have a Cd set of the Tribal Gathering, and we will offer this to the list for a MUCH reduced price to this rip-off! Pay your money and take your chances! ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: (kw) Pictures of concert tickets Date: 10 Sep 1997 22:49:19 +0200 I have put pictures of the concert tickets of the KW concerts I attended on my homepage: http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk.html I will expand this page with more info as time is avalable to me. Dolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) The german egg and the techno chicken (Too long) Date: 10 Sep 1997 22:52:26 +0100 johan.andersson wrote : >Apology to JBV Jeeez ! Some is apologizing to ME ! First time in my life ! >sorry if I was rude suggesting you don´t know >shit, I know you do Well, even if I saw them live a few times, I don’t know anything more than what I read in magazines & newspapers & mailing list, and what I heard on radio and saw on TV along the years. I’m sure several people on this list know much more than me. Am I wrong, Ralf ? (And there’s no need to apologize for being rude. Actually, I love when messages feature such things as “drop dead you f*ucking asshole”. But the atmosphere of this list is different, so I learned to cope with it.) But one thing I know FOR SURE is the context. I mean, I bought their first album in 1971 and since then everything they did is like white stones in my personal life. For instance, I remember the day I picked up MM at the local record store in may 78. After hearing it, I rushed to a friend’s place, knocked at his door at 1:00 am shouting “I’ve got the new KW !” and we spent the rest of the night listening to it and talking about it. Back then we were student and were supposed to have an exam a couple of days later, but that night, we didn’t give a shit about the exam. When I saw them live in june 81, it was shortly after Miterrand and the new socialist majority was elected in France, and I remember the atmosphere of that period. I also remember when my first girl friend ran away in 1987, we had a big fight regarding which KW albums were mine and which ones she could take with her. And so on... >today everybody and his dog could by some synthesizers >equal to the Kling klang studio in the early eighties. Simon.O'Conmhaigh wrote >is it right to compare new Kraftwerk work with either > a) previous Kraftwerk work, or > b) contemporary techno ? >how many of you still pull out old Gary Numan > albums and treat Kraftwerk as a nostalgic & historical item? What do > you think kraftwerk would do? if they had the attitude of some people > on this list they would have just copied the prog-rock of other bands > of the 70's. Well, well, well... So many things to answer... First, I suppose you’re pretty young fans. No offense ! It’s a great quality : you’re still fresh and not yet as cynical as we are, we the old monkeys... The only thing (even if you know every KW song by heart) is that you don’t remember the context. For instance, I re-read yesterday about 5 or 6 reviews of CW published in french mags in 81, and, believe it or not, THEY’RE ALL BASHING KW !!!! The main topics are : - Is it worth waiting 4 years for that ? - Almost every song could have been composed by some other band; there’s nothing new in that album. KW aren’t years ahead anymore. And I must say that the latter did make sense at that time. For instance, it was said that Pocket Calculator could have been composed by the Tokow Boys, a french band that was fashionable at that time. And that was true : they used to composed such fresh & catchy tunes. But who remembers them today ? In the same way, when EC was released in 86, lots of reviews were not too good, saying “this album isn’t going anywhere; the music is just a soundtrack for US rappers. As for myself, I never liked the 3rd album. As I said in a previous post, I always saw it as a cheap imitation of what the repetitive music school was doing back then. And since the first day I heard MM (see above) I’ve hated Spacelab, Metropolis and Neon Lights, because it was only cheap imitations of what Georgio Moroder was doing in Munchen at the same time. To be honnest, I think that a few things produced by Moroder with disco singers were miles ahead of KW. Fortunately, MM featured The Robots, The Model and Man Machine which are true pieces of art. On TEE, I ALWAYS hated “Hall of mirrors”. If I remember back then, after all the trend of glam rock, decadent rock and the kind of stuff, lot of people were tired of the cheap narcissism of many rock stars (dinosaurs ?) and were looking towards some fresher sounds (aka punk). To me, Hall of Mirrors is exactly in the vein of the tired narcissic english rock of the late 70s. This feeling is reinforced by their acquaintance with Bowie who was desperately looking for some new inspiration at that time... But I have to say that “Les Mannequins” (not Showroom Dummies) and TEE are pure masterworks to me. It’s also a real pity that when it comes about electro-pop of the late 70s and early 80s, always the same names pop up : Gary Numan and Depeche Mode. Actually, there was tons of stuff at that time. For instance, Suicide and DEVO. Please remember that Suicide started in 1973, shortly after KW, and were also VERY influenced by the NY repetitive school. Suicide appeared in some ways like the evil side of KW. I’ve always thought that the difference between them was that KW used to clean their studio when Suicide never did it... ;-) Did you ever notice the many similarities between The Model and Cheree ? Roughly at the same time YMO released their first album which was a fresh asian answer to KW. I’ve always thought that “La femme chinoise” is one of the most wonderful techno-pop song that nobody, even KW, has been able to equal. BTW, I always felt that that song and Man-machine were about the same thing... Another great thing released in 1978 was “TVOD” / “Warm Leatherette” by The Normal (aka Miller), which is miles above anything KW ever did. I’m sure one can draw a straight line between those two songs and hardcore techno. Back then, it was called “cold wave”. The point I want to make is that circa 78-81, lots of bands were already doing the same thing as KW (and sometimes even better). Of course, large parts of that music sounds incredibely dated today. I always hated Numan of D.Mode : to me they were only cheap imitators / wanabees. And I totally agree with Alan Vega when he said in many interviews that they stole his music and changed it into a piece of shit. As for DM being cheap imitators of KW, I remember in 80 or 81 (I’m not sure) seeing them in a TV show, just the 4 guys singing in positions a-la-KW, with a Revox playing the musical background ! So cheap ! And after that, we had Visage, Ultravox and all the pirate fashion... My god... Even all the Human League stuff sounds horribly dated these days. I listened to the first HM albums a couple of weeks ago and almost throwed them to the bin. The only things that didn’t piss me off were their first 7” single and the 12” “Dignity of labour”. Another point I want to make is that not everything was prog. rock in the 70s. Of course, there were tons of terrible things at that time, but also lots of subtile differences between bands, and I think you should get more information on that period... May be KW didn’t really start techno, but they started to develop a certain attitude towards synths which caught up among several successive generation of musicians (who often didn’t really understand the whole thing). And last but not least, it is always right to compare an artist’s work with his earlier work, and especially regarding KW, since Ralf has been repeating for years “KW will never stop, we keep working and working to improve the studio and the music. And as you can see in the various interviews I posted recently, KW music has nothing to do with some enjoyable music. R&F always stated firmly that listening to their music is an active process which is supposed to be followed by a different ear towards things, situations, environment, cultural differences, etc. >I'm sure that their new album will not break any new >technological or philosophical ground. Who cares? I CARE ! It’s a large part of KW task to break new grounds. Every time I go and see them live (and especially in 97) I DO NOT go to a pilgrimage : I’m expecting new directions and new ideas for the next 10 years (even if I don’t always agree with what they come up with). FINALLY, I think the real godfathers of techno were synth presets and demo patches. jbv ------------- P.S. Wy didn’t Elton John sing “Warm Leatherette” at the funerals of Lady Di ? Remember the lyrics ? “Quick ! Let’s make love, before you die. Join the car crash set” Are there similar lyrics in today’s techno ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) David Byrne on CNN Date: 10 Sep 1997 20:51:17 +0100 > I saw Showbiz on CNN today, David Byrne was giving an interview, because > of the release of his new album. He had a showroo dummy with his face > representing hom and his new album David Byrne's "Feelings" is an excellent album - I'd recommend it to everybody on this list who appreciates fine music - and yes, there is a strong Kraftwerk influence on the sleeve art! It's great - go buy it! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: resin@tuna.net Subject: (kw) Moroder vs. kraftwerk Date: 11 Sep 1997 04:08:32 +0600 >To be honnest, I think that a few things produced by Moroder with disco >singers >were miles ahead of KW. hello list i just picked up donna summers "i feel love". it is awesome. could some of you list off a few more of moroder's electro disco tracks that are worth checking out? thanks darren # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Arrieres pensees, qui sait ? Date: 11 Sep 1997 01:54:19 +0100 Hey Ralf, you know what ? I just subscribed to the YMO mailing list at http://www.tezcat.com/~klee/ymo.html jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Weckert Subject: Re: (kw) Moroder vs. kraftwerk Date: 11 Sep 1997 08:51:39 +0200 (MST) On Thu, 11 Sep 1997 resin@tuna.net wrote: > > >To be honnest, I think that a few things produced by Moroder with disco > >singers > >were miles ahead of KW. > > hello list > i just picked up donna summers "i feel love". it is awesome. could some of > you list off a few more of moroder's electro disco tracks that are worth > checking out? > > thanks > darren > Try to get the sound track of Moroder's '83 remake of Fritz Lang's Metropolis (published @ Sony), I think the music is really ok. Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) The german egg and the techno chicken Date: 11 Sep 1997 10:59:47 +0300 As I was around in the 70's too, I'd like to throw in my 2 bits about jbv's posting. First, I think it was an excellent reminder that there was and is tons of good music outside KW.=20 jbv wrote: > For instance, I remember the day I picked up MM at the local record > store in may 78. -snip- > First, I suppose you=92re pretty young fans. No offense ! It=92s a grea= t > quality : you=92re still fresh and not yet as cynical as we are, we the > old monkeys... Well, I guess I'm one of the old monkeys, too... I have to admit I only discovered Kraftwerk when the Man-Machine was released. Specifically, I read the praising review in NME and went and bought the record and loved it. After that I bought the earlier albums that were available. > It=92s also a real pity that when it comes about electro-pop of the lat= e > 70s and early 80s, always the same names pop up : Gary Numan and Depech= e > Mode. Actually, there was tons of stuff at that time. For instance, > Suicide and DEVO.=20 And John Foxx, who I always liked more than Numan... > Suicide appeared in some ways like the evil side of KW. I=92ve always > thought that the difference between them was that KW used to clean thei= r > studio when Suicide never did it... ;-) Ha ha, that about sums it up, yes! > Did you ever notice the many similarities between The Model and Cheree = ? > Roughly at the same time YMO released their first album which was a > fresh asian answer to KW. I=92ve always thought that =93La femme chinoi= se=94 > is one of the most wonderful techno-pop song that nobody, even KW, has > been able to equal. BTW, I always felt that that song and Man-machine > were about the same thing... I had a friend who actually accused KW of copying YMO when CW was released. By that time I was hooked on KW and thought that was the worst heresy possible. But he had a point there, though. Anyway, YMO did some GREAT stuff, Technodelic and all... > Another great thing released in 1978 was =93TVOD=94 / =93Warm Leatheret= te=94 by > The Normal (aka Miller), which is miles above anything KW ever did. I=92= m > sure one can draw a straight line between those two songs and hardcore > techno. Back then, it was called =93cold wave=94. WOW! That was the other record that hit me in '78! I don't know if it's possible to get it anywhere these days but I recommend that single to everybody in this list. > The point I want to make is that circa 78-81, lots of bands were alread= y > doing the same thing as KW (and sometimes even better). Yes, for example there were Sparks who made an album with Moroder that supposedly influenced many of the synth pop bands. And there were other things happening, like Eno who came up with the idea of ambient. And of course the 70's synth drones of Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze had some effect, too. And other, different things started also... There were the first heavy metal bands starting with Black Sabbath (who made me pick up a guitar and start playing in the first place). > Another point I want to make is that not everything was prog. I have to admit that during the early 70's I mostly listened to prog and still am a big fan of 70's prog. Prog and techno are not mutually exclusive, just two very different approaches towards music. Actually the prog keyboardists like Emerson made me buy my first synthesizer. And then Kraftwerk made me drop the guitar for a while and get some sequencers running. And Normal fooled me to try to sing but that was a big mistake! > Of course, there were tons of terrible things at that time, There were The Sweet and The Bay City Rollers thing... and tons of others who were not that terrible, just plain mediocre that we don't even remember any more. > As for DM being cheap imitators of KW, I remember in 80 or 81 (I=92m no= t > sure) seeing them in a TV show, just the 4 guys singing in positions > a-la-KW, with a Revox playing the musical background ! So cheap ! Well, DM maybe started as cheap imitators but soon after Vince Clarke was out they went out to develop their very own thing. A good thing, IMO. > And after that, we had Visage, Ultravox and all the pirate fashion... M= y > god...Even all the Human League stuff sounds horribly dated these days. Yes, much of that music sounds really dated. But Yello did some still enjoyable music, even if the sounds are not that great. > FINALLY, I think the real godfathers of techno were synth presets and > demo patches. Or maybe it was Ikutaro Kakehashi, the boss of Roland who made the first affordable programmable drum machines and sequencers available. > P.S. Wy didn=92t Elton John sing =93Warm Leatherette=94 at the funeral= s of > Lady Di ? > Remember the lyrics ? =93Quick ! Let=92s make love, before you die. Joi= n the > car crash set=94 Are there similar lyrics in today=92s techno ? And after that, T.V.O.D. to the billions of people who watched it on TV! "I don't need no TV screen, I just stick the aerial into my skin and let the signal flow through my veins, TVOD" Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Moroder vs. kraftwerk Date: 11 Sep 1997 09:06:44 +0000 While we are on the subject of Moroder disco tracks, also check out material by the late Patrick Cowley. His most famous productions were tracks like Do You Wanna Funk and Menergy with Sylvester and Megatron as a solo project. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morten Moen Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe meeting Date: 11 Sep 1997 10:14:41 +0200 >And what if the karlsruhe gig is canceled? Are we going to meet anyway? In norwegian we have this saying "troll i ord" which means something like "sorcery in words". What it means is that we don't talk about things that we don't want to happen! So NO more of this! :-) Morten. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Warm leatherette Date: 11 Sep 1997 11:19:09 +0100 Otso Pakarinen wrote : >WOW! That was the other record that hit me in '78! I don't know if it's >possible to get it anywhere these days but I recommend that single to >everybody in this list. Yes, that single actually started all the “cold wave” movement and all the home-made cassettes with xerox artwork that followed. The guy behind this one-man project was Daniel Miller, founder of Mute Records and first producer of Depeche Mode. I even wonder if he didn’t start Mute with the money of TVOD / W.L. The single was “Mute 001” and had a picture of crash test dummies on the front cover. And shortly after that he formed The Silicon Teens. Anybody remember that ? I remember buying the single in spring 78, shortly after Man Machine. And the next summer, my girlfriend and I used to park our car in supermarkets parking lots at night and fuck like crazy in the car while that song was blasting non stop on the car stereo... Sweet memories... I also found a re-issue of it as a CD single during summer 95 at Tower’s on Sunset Blvd in L.A. I also have somewhere a live record of the Normal (actually a one-side vinyl). As I’m planing to pack my vinyls next week, I should be able to check. I also think that Grace Jones made a cover of Warm Leatherette in the mid 80s, on an album produced by Robert Palmer (or was it Goude ?)... Anyway, for those who didn’t dare to ask, here are the lyrics of Warm Leatherette (one line is missing : since my english is less than perfect, I never understood that part - anyone ?) Warm Leatherette Warm Leatherette See the breaking glass In the underpass Warm Leatherette Warm Leatherette Hear the crashing steel Feel the steering wheel Warm Leatherette Warm Leatherette Warm Leatherette Melts on your burning flesh I can see your reflection In the luminescent tash Warm Leatherette Warm Leatherette A tear of petrol Is in your eye The handbrake ???????????????????? Quick ! Let’s make love Before you die On warm Leatherette Warm Leatherette Warm Leatherette Warm Leatherette Join the car crash set jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: usura@pacific.net.sg Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe meeting Date: 11 Sep 1997 18:10:07 +0800 >> Just wondering who is organising the Karlsruhe meeting, where and when >> will we all meet? No big hurry with the answering of course, still some >> weeks to go! >> > >And what if the karlsruhe gig is canceled ? Are we going to meet anyway >? > >jbv 8-( that had better not happen! when i am moving heaven and earth to be in Karlsruhe in October!!! monique singapore # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: Re: (kw) Linz Concert Date: 11 Sep 1997 14:24:12 +0200 alpezi@zilli.priv.at wrote: >Hi! >On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Georg Jajus wrote: >> Good day: I got my ticket today! Jippei...! >> Does anybody have informations about the Posthof? >Yes! Wie gross? Und hoffentlich schoener als die Kurhalle Oberlaa...:-/! cu, Georgie We are standing here, exposing ourselves, We are showroom dummies... http://www.kraftwerk.com -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) Warm leatherette Date: 11 Sep 1997 17:39:13 +0300 jbv wrote: > The guy behind this > one-man project was Daniel Miller, founder of Mute Records and first > producer of Depeche Mode. I even wonder if he didn=92t start Mute with = the > money of TVOD / W.L. Yes, he probably did. > And shortly after that he formed The Silicon Teens. Anybody remember > that ? Yeah, it's a nice record in a cute, harmless way. I still got it. > never understood that part - anyone ?) sure: >A tear of petrol >Is in your eye >The handbrake _penetrates your thigh_ As far as I can tell, anyway... Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Warm Leatherette Date: 11 Sep 1997 15:45:02 +0000 The only version of this song I like is the Grace Jones version on the album of the same name. See ya........ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: (kw) Warm leatherette Date: 11 Sep 1997 09:50:09 -0500 >=20 > > The guy behind this > > one-man project was Daniel Miller, founder of Mute Records and first > > producer of Depeche Mode. I even wonder if he didn=92t start Mute wit= h > > the money of TVOD / W.L. >=20 > Yes, he probably did. >=20 Well, he founded Mute so he would have a label to sell WL/TVOD. But the proceeds we used to sign all those other Mute bands. So while Mute wasn't strictly founded with the proceeds, it was made into a "real" label with them Point of note: Daniel Miller is stilmusically involved - he contributed a riff to a track on the latest Depeche Mode album and co-remixed the radio version of the upcoming single. =20 > >A tear of petrol > >Is in your eye > >The handbrake > _penetrates your thigh_ >=20 > As far as I can tell, anyway... Isn't this song inspiried by the same source that inspired Cronenberg's film "Crash"? (why can't I remember the author's name right now?). You know, the whole thing about people who get turned on by auto accidents. The SugarCubes' "MotorCrash" is similar, although I can't tell if it's the same cuz Bjork's accent was thicker back then. In this whole "Techno Godfathers"/Cold Wave debate, I'm surprised nobody has brought up ClockDVA, DAF or SPK...they were all around at roughly the same time as The Normal and Kraftwerk, and they each had profound influences on the development of electronic, electro-industrial, cold-wave and techno... And a big thanks to whoever brought up John Foxx! :) --=20 =3D--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------=3D=20 | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko |=20 =3D------------------------------------------------------------------=3D I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Warm leatherette Date: 11 Sep 1997 15:59:05 +0000 I have brought up SPK before, with other groups like Data and Hard Corps etc., etc.,........... I also got replies to these saying that other 'listies' also remember them! Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon.O'Conmhaigh@fp.eureko.ie Subject: Re: (kw) The german egg and the techno chicken (Too long) Date: 11 Sep 1997 15:19 +0000 (GMT) >I CARE ! It's a large part of KW task to break new grounds. Every >time I go and see them live (and especially in 97) I DO NOT go to a >pilgrimage : I'm expecting new directions and new ideas for the next >10 years (even if I don't always agree with what they come up with). If it's a large part of Kraftwerk to break new ground then surely fans of Kraftwerk should try and do the same by seeking out today's future music. It seems that this list concentrates on that which Kraftwerk have no interest in: the past. Kraftwerk stood out at the time because they were largely doing something musically new - their music and their philosopy went hand in hand. Nowadays, I think their philosophy may be the same but it will be very difficult for them to stand out musically as well. Kraftwerk deserve utmost respect for their contributions to techno, however you can only expect them to change the face of music once. Seek new god(father)s. cheers # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: (kw) Warm leatherette Date: 11 Sep 1997 11:00:58 -0500 Craig Land wrote: > > I have brought up SPK before, with other groups like Data and Hard > Corps etc., etc.,........... > > I also got replies to these saying that other 'listies' also remember > them! > Oh, well, I wasn't on the list then...:) -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) The german egg and the techno chicken (Too long) Date: 11 Sep 1997 18:53:52 +0100 Simon.O'Conmhaigh wrote : > Seek new god(father)s. OK. So please feed us with some names (not too hard to find...) jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian J.Harris" Subject: Re: (kw) Warm leatherette/ Devo Date: 11 Sep 1997 20:21:59 +0000 This is available on a CD single MUTECD001. And re:Devo, their demos from 1974 onwards feature home-made electronic percussion, built by their then drummer Jim Mothersbaugh who went on to work for Roland. Although more conventionally looking like drums (c.f. Devo video for "Secret Agent Man" circa 1976) the sounds are not dissimilar to those of "Radioactivity". I doubt Devo / Jim were "ripping off" KW, just a case of simultaneous development. Ian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fer Subject: Re: (kw) The german egg and the techno chicken (Too long) Date: 11 Sep 1997 22:49:19 +0200 My Bloody Valentine !! ....... ........... cant really say more.... > OK. So please feed us with some names (not too hard to > find...) -- Fer fgoiriz@arrakis.es "You're so close, but far away" aka. Werk. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Warm leatherette Date: 11 Sep 1997 21:22:23 +0100 >I have brought up SPK before, with other groups like Data and Hard >Corps etc., etc.,........... > >I also got replies to these saying that other 'listies' also remember >them! don't forget Whitehouse - I seem to remember William Bennett (Whitehouse founder member) saying he was helped and inspired by Daniel Miller (The Normal) and Robert Rental from whom he bought an 'uncontrollably vicious beast of a synthesiser' that became the core of the Whitehouse sound. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Conspiracy--who do I kill? Date: 11 Sep 1997 23:53:51 -0400 Well, the soundtrack to "The End of Violence" was released here, in the USA, on Outpost/Geffen/MCA Records (OPRD-30008), and although the CD looks halfway decent, WHERE'S THE GODDAMN KRAFTWERK TRACK everyone promised! Smells like a conspiracy against the fans here, knowhutimsayin'? Anyone else in Kraftwerk land, were you lucky? On a more positive note, the electro-gods were written up in the latest issue of "Vibe" magazine, in their "props" column on the last page. However, they misidentified the group's personnel! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Missing Links Date: 11 Sep 1997 22:04:48 -0700 Hi! Quick question: Ironically, I had just posted my updated KW Links List, and then I received AKTIVITAT #9, which includes an article on KW Links! -(ThanX, Ian! Nice TG coverage!)- Well, I saw the URL for this huge database I'd been looking for, but, I still can't get it to come up. Does anyone know if this site is still active? I need to find this particular "dummies" foto- different than the usual M.M "banner" stage set-up. btw: I'm still looking for Jimmy's x3m Fina Sida. ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jens Pielawa Subject: (kw) Introduction / Karlsruhe ticket...? Date: 12 Sep 1997 07:53:07 -0700 Hi everybody, I am new to the Kraftwerk ML and would like to introduce myself. My name is Jens Pielawa and I am 32 years old, living in Hannover, Germany. I am subscribed already to other ML’s, so I am not that sort of newbie asking any annoying questions. As well these days I am more just to lurk in, because of becoming a father in a few days. I have a medium size collection of Kraftwerk, including both 12" releases of "Tour de France" and the best Kraftwerk remix ever, the 12" Francois Kervorkian remix of "Der Telefonanruf", which even beats the original. The first encounter with the band was back in December 1981, attending a concert here in Hannover with just knowing the songs from "Mensch Maschine". After that I bought and listened to everything released after "Autobahn". BTW, if any (german) fan would like to sell a concert ticket for Karlsruhe, due to unexpected other dates or events, please email me in private to one of the two addresses stated below. TIA. Greetings, _ (_) ___ _ ___ ___ Name : J e n s P i e l a w a | |/ _ \ '_ \/ __| E-Mail: pielawa@aol.com < o r > pielawa@bgr.de _ | | __/ | | |\__ \ Music : Erasure, Jean Michel Jarre, Mike Oldfield, \ \| |\___|_| |_||___/ Vangelis, Art of Noise, Howard Jones, OMD, \___/ Alan Parsons, Kraftwerk, Human League etc. "And I say yes to your love and there's no secrets" - Bell & Clarke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Weckert Subject: (kw) Ticket for Karlsruhe wanted Date: 12 Sep 1997 08:29:35 +0200 (MST) If anybody out there has a ticket for the Karlsruhe event for sale, then please e-mail me. Money is no matter. It's more fun to compute! Thomas Ernie Studentengruppe, Mathematisches Institut Uni K"oln e-mail: tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de WWW: http://www.student.uni-koeln.de/~tweckert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: P Fearne Subject: Re: (kw) Moroder vs. kraftwerk Date: 12 Sep 1997 07:40:40 +0100 I have gone off Kraftwerk and now like the Spice Girls so will you stop sending me e-mails as your becomming a pane in the ass David # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alex Laney Subject: Re: (kw) Warm leatherette Date: 12 Sep 1997 03:07:48 -0400 Eric Oehler wrote: > Isn't this song inspiried by the same source that inspired Cronenberg's > film "Crash"? (why can't I remember the author's name right now?). You > know, the whole thing about people who get turned on by auto accidents. J.G. Ballard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "303@iname.com" <303@bigfoot.com> Subject: (kw) SHIT!!! Date: 12 Sep 1997 11:09:54 +0200 ®0|áÑð †b­ 303@iname.com T‡é Ù|†¡màtë Ðâñçêmª©h¡ñË™ http://www.kraftwerk.com MOTHERFUCKER!!! :-( I just saw the Kraftwerkvideo "Telephone Call" from Danish Television in PERFECT Stereo and PERFECT picture (stupid ass shit fuck£$#¤%&) and guess what??? - NO VIDEOTAPES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sometimes it's just not ment to be... Charlie Crash # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: resin@tuna.net Subject: (kw) moroder vs. kraftwerk 1998 Date: 12 Sep 1997 15:46:56 +0600 >I have gone off Kraftwerk and now like the Spice Girls so will you stop >sending me e-mails as your becomming a pane in the ass David ? darren # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Weckert Subject: Re: (kw) moroder vs. kraftwerk 1998 Date: 12 Sep 1997 11:30:57 +0200 (MST) On Fri, 12 Sep 1997 resin@tuna.net wrote: > > >I have gone off Kraftwerk and now like the Spice Girls so will you stop > >sending me e-mails as your becomming a pane in the ass > David > > > ? > darren > I guess this mail was a fake. Anyway, I can only shake my head, maybe that's part of the crazyness of this guy... Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Play Magazin Date: 12 Sep 1997 12:42:25 +0000 The September issue of the German freebie Play Magazin contains the (pretty irrelevant) first part of a retrospective Kraftwerk article. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) the end of violence... Date: 12 Sep 1997 12:42:25 +0000 > well...i went to hmv this afternoon and lo and behold there it was... > the sountrack to the end of violence...but NO kraftwerk ! > who originally said there would be a new kw track on this cd ? This was originally reported in the Los Angeles Times. However, the Kraftwerk track is supposed to be in the soundtrack of the *movie*, which must not necessarily mean that it is also featured on the corresponding CD release - just remember the "Breakdance" movie and "Tour de France". ;-) Has anyone seen the movie yet? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) With a little help from my friends Date: 12 Sep 1997 13:26:40 +0100 I began to translate the interview of Ralf I found in the issue 7/8 91 of german fanzine Frontpage, but I'm meeting a few problems coz it's not so easy for a french guy to translate straight from german to english. Unless that translation is already available on some site, could someone be kind enough to give me a lift ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: (kw) One in ten Date: 12 Sep 1997 13:59:50 +0200 Hello, Today I=B4ve heard a old song of UB40 remixed by 808 State (in 92?)called "One in ten" and the bass is the same that "The model" bassline. Only a curiosity... ;-) Regards Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Old radio & TV shows Date: 12 Sep 1997 18:06:12 +0100 Meine Damen und Herren I think it’s time to let you know about my investigations regarding old radio & TV shows about KW. You certainly remember that a couple of weeks ago I launched a research in the archive service of the french national radio & TV. First, the bad news. Regarding radio broadcasts of gigs and interviews of 1976, they indeed traced the material, BUT it’s unavailable simply because IT’S BEEN TRASHED ! It seems like they can’t file everything, so every 3 months or so, someone is supposed to make a choice between what will be kept and what will be trashed. Can you imagine this ? Some jerk paid with the taxpayers money decided some years ago that this material was of no interest and decided to destroy the tapes... SHIT ! After that, I traced the guy who made the 1976 interview on France Musique, but he said sorry I didn’t keep any archive from that time, not even a tape or some notes... sigh... And now, the good news. (drum roll) As for TV stuff, there’s plenty available. Roughly : the material is from 73, 76, 78, 82 and the length ranges from 10 min to 47 min. The best news is that the 1973 POP 2 program is available. The not-so good news is that it’s the program that was broadcasted on march 10, 1973 (meaning : only with short excerpts of KW gig), while the original takes of the gig have disapeared. Now, I’m gonna get an appointment to view all that stuff, check the musical and technical quality (according to what they said, it’s at least good quality) and see under which conditions it can be used. BTW, they already charged me $ 100 for the research. cheers, jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Virgo/Ae Subject: (kw) Linz event Date: 12 Sep 1997 19:36:46 -0100 Me and a friend of mine are interested in going to Linz, Austria (I know Karlsruhe date tickets are sold out) for the featured Kraftwerk exhibition on 16/10/97. I'm seeking for info about the show, the exact place in Linz of this event and where to buy tickets. Any help? Thanx & cya. P.z.: sorry if I'm boring, but I've been linking the cool KW mailing list only for 10 days.... -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- -=< Virgo.Ae@MindlesS.CoM >=- "I'm the operator of my pocket calculator...." -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) With a little help from my friends Date: 12 Sep 1997 20:18:15 +0100 I'd like to thank all the people who kindly offered their services to help me translate the KW interview. And the winner is : Thomas Weckert !!! who first answered my message. Congratulations Thomas, and thanx for canceling all your plans for the next week-end. ;-) jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) "Isolation Tank" -(KW CDs, etc.)- Date: 12 Sep 1997 16:28:27 -0700 Attention KW-Markt Shoppers: I found an interesting WebSite linked from 'alt.music.makers.electronic' called The Isolation Tank, where you can order various CDs, etc. KRAFTWERK is listed as Industrial. Main Page, click Tank to enter. Scroll till you see the SEARCH bar, type KRAFTWERK, and a page of CDs and 2 T-shirts will come up for starters.... Here's the confusing part- it says, "click on band's name to order". So, I clicked on "KRAFTWERK" in the same row as the T-shirt listed at the very bottom. Then another list of CDs came up, this time with the "order" button at the far right, -(And the totally right-on opening phrase: "The masters. What can we say?")-, but, I can't figure out how to order the T-shirt on the previous list-page. -(I hate being Computer-Illiterate!)- So, I emailed for more info. If anyone else can figure it out, GO for it. They've got all kinds of other Artists as well. It's worth checking out. I can't recall if anyone else posted this site before, so, I'm posting it now at the risk of repeating old information. BTW: I'm sure there are plenty more KW Posters available from: Search KRAFTWERK to see the 2 different designs- Computerwelt and The MIX- very nice! I got mine in only 2 weeks, from Deutscland to the US of A! -($3.99 apiece + p&h. I paid $11.88 total for both posters. Very reasonable. Good quality prints!)- They have other Artists, too, ofcourse. ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Links List Corrections Date: 12 Sep 1997 23:16:35 -0700 OOPS- I corrected a few glitches on my KW Links List and added a couple more. Previous versions can be deleted. Fix-it List coming right up.... On a lighter note- y'all GOTTA join us in the #Kraftwerk Channel for some FunChat! This morning was hilarious! We pretended to be Ralf & Florian, saying all kinds of KraZy shit!*HEEHEE*! Well- you had to be there. Also, I keep meeting more and more KW Fans in various places all over the InterNet, and ofcourse I try to drag 'em in here on the Mail List and into the ChatRoom for Assimilation. :|] ROBOGRIN ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Re: KRAFTWERK RULES THE UNIVERSE!!!! -(Updated Links List)- Date: 12 Sep 1997 23:17:09 -0700 +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ *GREET.INGS*! Welcome aboard the KlingKlang Express! Just in case you don't already know, here's a few KRAFTWERK Links to get you started- Fun, Fun, Fun auf der INFOBAHN! :] ROBOSMILEY +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ KRAFTWERK's Official WebSite! Check it out! Click on each screen to advance to the next. Very "Minimalist" animated gifs and SoundBytes. TG video clip! True KRAFTWERK all the way! The KRAFTWERK Mail List- 'Good source for KW Info, and it's FREE! To subscribe, send Email to: Leave subject blank. In body type: subscribe kraftwerk <"whoever@wherever.com"> -(no quotes)-. You'll get a "confirmation" message shortly. Then, respond with the number they give you, and you'll receive the Welcome Message and Guidelines. NOTE: I include this Link because sometimes I meet Fellow KW Fans elsewhere on the Net. Be a Fan, Tell a Fan! Tell 'em ROBOT sent ya! KRAFTWERK Mail List Archives. Catch up on all the recent and not-so-recent SubSpace Chatter on the Finest MeKaniKal MusiK-Meisters in the Universe!! -(Alternate)- There's also the #Kraftwerk Channel Chat Room on mIRC, using DALnet. To download the neccessary software, visit the gurus at: They can explain the technical stuff. We need more bodies! It's no fun sitting in an empty room, wasting net-hours, so, let's CHAT already! More info here: The Unofficial KRAFTWERK Infobahr: TONS o'StuFF! AKTIVITAT KW Fanzine! A few On-Line articles on Jose Garcia's pages. -(Ian Calder, Editor/Pub)- OR Thomas Weckert's Picture Gallery- 'LOTS of Beautiful KW Fotos- and more pictures here: ....and here's where the boys WERK! Thomas maintains the KRAFTWERK WebRing. Most of these pages are Linked. FAQs re: KRAFTWERK The KRAFTWERK Marktplatz- A KW "Swap Meet" on the Net! Beautiful Title Page! Search KRAFTWERK and view these 2 very nice Posters! CW and The MIX motifs. $3.99 each + p&h. I paid $11.88 total for both posters and received them in 2 weeks, from Deutschland to USA. Good quality prints! "Isolation Tank" CDs & T-shirts! Go to Main Page, click Tank to enter. Scroll till you see the SEARCH bar, type KRAFTWERK, and a page of CDs and 2 T-shirts will come up for starters, then click on band's name and another page of CDs appears. Pricey, but, nice to look at. -(There's another CD site. Rats- I can't find the Link at the moment. I'll add it ASAP.)- Hail Finlandia! Very Nice KW Page! <<<>>> Reymond Laurent took some EXcellent PIX at The Tribal Gathering, May 24/25, '97. from left-screen menu, select "Headliners". Let the various artists names/logos load in the right-hand screen, scroll down and click on KRAFTWERK, then scroll through the article for a NICE SurPriSe!! *Morph* and *ZOOM*!! "The Bright Side" !*WOW*! EXcellent WebSite! The KRAFTWERK JukeBox is Great! Yeah! KW's TG gig on RealAudio! Bob Weustink saved the Partial broadcast of their performance from the BBC Radio1/Essential mix on his HomePages. Good WERK, Bob! Czech it out! Live KW Fotos from a gig in Prague -with a few KuTe ROBOGraFFiX added. :] Jens Heidling's Sites of KRAFTWERK & S.P.O.C.K. -(Swedish SynthPop TREKKIES! Kinda KWish, but, way sillier!)- Klaus Zaepke's KRAFTWERK OnLine Library. 'LOTS of references to various KW Articles and reviews. Some are directly accessible on the Net. BTW: I have a few old KW Articles & a couple more silly KW drawings in my K-philes, if anyone's interested. A descriptive list is included here in Klaus' Library, but, the jpgs are a LOT smaller now than what was posted in my message at the time. Each item now ranges from about 30K to 100K per "page". Please Email me for details.... KW: The Early Years- nice pictures! -(Brief exerps from Pascal Bussy's book, _KRAFTWERK: Man, Machine, and Music_)- Mats Kadmark. Another dedicated Fan- KooL HomePage! Interesting Article & Fotos- 'tiny and not very clear, but.... KRAFTWERK News Page- including more Links to articles, audio/video, etc. SAKURA's KW BootList- Good Fotos of the CD covers! Kling und Klang! Another BootList. Text only. MIDI Alert! MegaSoundBytes! MORE KW sounds! *WHEW* That's all the Links I can find off-hand. There are plenty more that I would like to add, but, they are easily linked from many of those listed above. For some older links, I couldn't find the correct URL or the pages are down. I need to find the following Links: The "Dummies" pic is excellent! -(Is this site still active?)- Jimmy's X3M Fina Sida. AWESOME GraFFiX! KW and STAR TREK and X-files! KooL Pages! -(I can't find it- where'd it go??)- Please Email me if you want to share info or if you just wanna Chat! =OHM SWEET OHM= ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile. Your Personal Net is FREE! Anyone can PEEK at the "pages", but, it's Fun to join and find other Net People with similar interests. Until I can figure out how to set up a real HomePage, this will have to suffice....)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Members Lounge. Same Foto, different Text. Membership is FREE, but, you must join in order to see Members Profiles and post messages on the BBOARD.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "303@iname.com" <303@bigfoot.com> Subject: SV: (kw) Re: KRAFTWERK RULES THE UNIVERSE!!!! -(Updated Links List)- Date: 13 Sep 1997 12:09:59 +0200 ®0|áÑð †b­ 303@iname.com T‡é Ù|†¡màtë Ðâñçêmª©h¡ñË™ What a bunch of juicy links but, .... Is FBI, CIA, NASA, MI5,KGB, all the federal nations, all the alien nations, every other posiible nation & KRAFTWERK somehow connected to eachother??? :) We are the Universe, We are programmed to do, just what the aliens want us to... peace ///Charlie Crash # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kaoru CHIDA Subject: (kw) 'EURASIA' htm Date: 13 Sep 1997 21:27:00 +0900 Dear Boys&Girls, Now, I'll introduce my favorite record shop 'EURASIA' in Tokyo. http://pweb.aix.or.jp/$B!1(Bizum-o/ Please see it with smile...!$B!!!!(B;) With Love, KaoRu *** Kaoru CHIDA-Fujishima *** *** Greetings from the Far East xxx *** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Bergstroem Subject: (kw) Album price? Date: 13 Sep 1997 17:08:06 +0200 (MET DST) Hi! Ive just bought Autobahn (the german vinyl original from '74) and the vinlyl single Trans Europe Express (french ed.), both in perfect cond. How much are these worth? What's the most rare album/single you can get? When will their new album be out? Sorry to bother you with my boring newbie Q's... /Thomas ___ __l___l__ /_oo\ --------------------------------------- (.____) Thomas Bergstrom - New Beat Development |L_ /T= --------------------------------------- / o|\// http://www.kuai.se/dhedberg // o|\/ --------------------------------------- od/L_oj The makers of "Willie's Adventures" ||| ooloo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) 'EURASIA' htm Date: 13 Sep 1997 17:35:45 +0100 Kaoru CHIDA wrote : > > Dear Boys&Girls, > > Now, I'll introduce my favorite record shop 'EURASIA' in Tokyo. > > http://pweb.aix.or.jp/$B!1(Bizum-o/ > > Please see it with smile...!$B!!!!(B;) > > With Love, > KaoRu > Well, could you elaborate a little bit more ? This URL doesn't go anywhere... Japanese humour ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Virgo/Ae Subject: Re: (kw) 'EURASIA' htm Date: 13 Sep 1997 18:04:09 -0100 Kaoru CHIDA > http://pweb.aix.or.jp/$B!1(Bizum-o/ > Please see it with smile...!$B!!!!(B;) smiling? for the URL not found? cya. -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- -=< Virgo.Ae@MindlesS.CoM >=- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) Don't know what to do... Date: 13 Sep 1997 17:14:18 +0200 Hi, all ! ! ! !=20 =20 If you do not know what to do (perhaps need a rendez-vous...)=20 =20 Sign my guestbook, which I added today on my Kraftwerk pages!=20 (if you are quick enough, you may be the first one to sign ! )=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 www.student.gu.se/~maka0067 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) 'EURASIA' htm Date: 13 Sep 1997 18:10:56 +0200 > http://pweb.aix.or.jp/?izum-o/ Try http://pweb.aix.or.jp/~izum-o/ somewhere over there you'll find a link to the english pages... regards, Joerg-Stefan = # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Album price? Date: 13 Sep 1997 09:50:06 -0700 ---------- > From: Thomas Bergstroem > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) Album price? > Date: Saturday, September 13, 1997 8:08 AM > > Hi! > Ive just bought Autobahn (the german vinyl original from '74) and the > vinlyl single Trans Europe Express (french ed.), both in perfect cond. How > much are these worth? Hm-m-m.... -(Metalic scritch-scratch on the noggin)- Are they re-issues? It's hard to tell what mint condition original pressings would go for. $25 to $50, maybe more? Re-issues, face value, I suppose. I'm guessing. Later on, I'll see if here's any kind of Record Collector's catalog on the Net and look up KW Albums. > What's the most rare album/single you can get? TONEFLOAT! I know a guy who paid $250 for it!*OUCH*! > When will their new album be out? Try doomsday.*grrr*. We're ALL getting VERY impatient. It was supposed to be out Jan 29th '97, and it keeps getting postponed- IF it'll be released at all. :[ > Sorry to bother you with my boring newbie Q's... That's why we're here- to share info! No need to feel shy or embarrassed about asking questions. I just wish we all had certain answers. Everything with KRAFTWERK is a Big Mystery.*sigh*. The BIG question is WILL they EVER tour the USA?? Bitte, Gott, bitte!! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: (kw) new instrument identified..... Date: 13 Sep 1997 12:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Hello all (hey JBV - yes it's me - SRRecords from AH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) I have just purchased a double manual Vako Orchestron. It uses flimsy plastic laser optical discs for sounds and sounds very very very similar to a mellotron. I can now confirm that Kraftwerk used this for their mellotronesque sounds - Ralf has been quoted as saying that they used a 'light disc organ made in florida' - which is an orchestron....and once the "Violin" disc is inserted into the slot and begins spinning on the red velvet inside the machine, you get the EXACT same sound as the strings on TEE - and i mean EXACT!!!!!!!!!! same with the "Vocal Choir" disc - it has Radioactivity written all over it - scratchy, noisy, and very very eerie! --a fun thing to do - play the eerie TEE chords and turn the little pitch knob down like the train is travelling past - just like the song!!!!! cool................................. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Box Set Date: 13 Sep 1997 17:38:22 +0100 I now have a copy of the legendary 12" Box Set issued by EMI in May and am accepting offers for its sale. Contained in a 12"x12" glossy box with the Robot logo printed in white on a black cover and a full tracklisting on the rear, this box set features 4 33rpm 12"s, each in an exclusive cover featuring a black robot graphic on white background. Tracklisting: Trans Europe Express/TEE instrumental Numbers/Numbers Musique Non Stop/Musique Non Stop Hoem Computer/It's More Fun To Compute each version of the track is the original recording, not "Mix" era material. The rear is clearly marked "KLANG BOX 101 - FOR PROMOTIONAL USE ONLY" Anyone who has any queries or would like to offer a price in UK sterling for the item, please mail me. I have a genuine reason for the sale - I have less money than I thought I did, and it pains me to think of selling this, but needs must.. I also have a DJ 12" of Tour De France (6.44 kraftwerk mix)/(6.47 kervorkian mix) with a b-side called "Computer Games" that isn't kraftwerk, but sounds a lot like them. It was issued in the US last year on Disco Records. Again, I may consider selling this. Keep werking -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Bergstroem Subject: Re: (kw) Album price? Date: 13 Sep 1997 19:34:19 +0200 (MET DST) > suppose. I'm guessing. Later on, I'll see if here's any kind of Record > Collector's catalog on the Net and look up KW Albums. I searched and found a site called "electric Obsession" (or something similar) but Autobahn and TTEsingle was not listed... > TONEFLOAT! I know a guy who paid $250 for it!*OUCH*! Really?! Wow... > Try doomsday.*grrr*. We're ALL getting VERY impatient. It was supposed to > be out Jan 29th '97, and it keeps getting postponed- IF it'll be released > at all. :[ A eveningpaper over here listed all albums that's suppose to be released this atumn and KW should be out by the 15 Sept according to them... However, they must release it before they go on tour, or? > Everything with KRAFTWERK is a Big Mystery.*sigh*. Isn't that partly the beauty in KW? :) /Thomas ___ __l___l__ /_oo\ --------------------------------------- (.____) Thomas Bergstrom - New Beat Development |L_ /T= --------------------------------------- / o|\// http://www.kuai.se/dhedberg // o|\/ --------------------------------------- od/L_oj The makers of "Willie's Adventures" ||| ooloo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kaoru CHIDA Subject: (kw) 'EURASIA' htm -Sorry- Date: 14 Sep 1997 03:04:00 +0900 Dear all, I caused a confusion. Sorry, jbv, Virgo/Ae, and other people. My old word-processer cannot make a character "small$B!1(B". It had completely slipped my mind. (Just now, my husband told me it.) And, Joerg-Stefan, Thank you for your help! jbv wote: >This URL doesn't go anywhere... >Japanese humour ? HaHaHa! I always love your esprit!! :) BTW, could you smile at EURASIA's homepage? With Love&Thanks, KaoRu *** Kaoru CHIDA-Fujishima *** *** Greetings from the Far East xxx *** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: (kw) I want to believe Date: 13 Sep 1997 14:19:08 +0200 Hello, This is a message that I=B4ve recived from a friend from Frankfurt.... >>>>>>>> New infos on Kraftwerk! First, the new Album will be available next monday, as far as the people at my musicstore are informed. As soon as I got it, i will send you an eMail. <<<<<<<<< I want to believe !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) I want to believe Date: 13 Sep 1997 12:26:53 -0700 regarding Rafa's news about the Album: !!*SCREEEEEEAAAM*!! I'm setting up camp in front of The WORKS immediately! -(Local music source, Eureka, CA)- Let's hope it's TRUE. I want to believe, too! ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Old vibrations - part 4 Date: 13 Sep 1997 21:50:10 +0100 My dear hypnotized friends, As I was still cleaning my house, I found an article written by J-F Bizot in french mag Actuel from nov. 1991, which is quoted in Bussy’s book. I asked Klaus if it was worth posting it, and he said yes, sure, Bussy’s quotings are well-known, but the original thing remains a rarity. What Klaus says, God says. So here we go. I kept both Ralf’s interview and the pseudo-hip and rather silly comments of Bizot, which are his trademark, otherwise the whole thing would have been hard to understand. But please don’t flame ME, I’m NOT responsible for some of the stupid comments. I’m just translating. (sorry, ROBOT, some more America bashing...). jbv (was here) EVEN THE ROBOTS ARE TRIPPING... It looks like a serial story. Twenty years later, here I am, back in Dusseldorf at the Kling Klang studio, the land of the robots tripping in the middle of the Ruhr, synthetic and skilfull. And here is Ralf Hutter again, identical to himself, a nervous leg jumping out of his cycling shorts, his hair always perfectly combed, hardly a wrinkle and the same soft voice. Only the machines have changed. Micro-computers are stacked on the racks in the blue neon lights. Kraftwerk, the most sampled band after James Brown. From house to techno, from Bambaataa to Front 242, who knows how many hit makers stole their sound or their riffs from Kraftwerk... They release an album of remixes. Their wonderful sound inventions still work, always spacey and mind-blowing. Kraftwerk spacey ? Do you think I’m joking ? “Ten years ago, Ralf says, we played in Bombay. We brought our high tech environment with us and we found it quite strange. The reaction of the indian people surprised us. They told us that “Autobahn”, our first hit, sounds like a raga, their inspired music. It was quite stimulating.” Everything comes from an endless work on sound and repetitions. Their studio : a futuristic factory looking like the dream of any sound maniac. Four consoles are facing each other, with stacks of effects and computers in the background. It took five years to Kraftwerk to store their catalog of noises in the computer, from the forge to the hooter, from the microphone larsen to video games. Then everything had to be fine tuned so that it could be played like Bach starting to play organ. The Kraftwerk people step into the studio like monks getting ready for electronic vespers, every evening at 5:00 pm and until 1:00 in the morning. They hack, away from the show-biz, in what Ralf Hutter calls their living room. “We have a buddhist technic to keep patient”. And it lasts for about 20 years. It all started around 68-69. Ralf and Florian are students in Dusseldorf. They have long hair and want to open their minds by any mean. The environment is friendly. Dusseldorf is the capital city of Fluxus, the modern art movement leaded by Beuys, John Cage and Nam June Paik. People hack random music, mecanical pianos, happenings and video. Not so far away, in Koln, the great master of modern electro-acoustic music Karlheinz Stockhausen. Two of his students are Irmin Schmidt and Holger Cuzkay who are about to found the band Can, and who are currently recording with Bill Laswell. Florian and Ralf remember a trip to Koln where, after taking some LSD, they found themselves at a Stockhausen concert which blowed their mental barriers. Their fate was traced. When Ralf evokes those crazy times, then his voice of great vegetarian cyclist is shaken with nostalgy. “All the forms of art used to be mixed together. We could produce low-budget experimental movies and hack the sound for a few pennies. Ha, everything has really changed. Look, New Age makes me yawn. It’s a kind of Valium, of paper wall, of functional sleepiness. I keep thinking that the best spacey musics are from 1969-1972, the first albums by Popol Vuh, Tangerine Dream and Ash Ra Tempel”. It is true that back then people wanted to discover everything and to go always one step beyond. Endless organ sounds, solemn chords fading into each others, unique whispers, wavings, Klaus Schulze playing with a symphonic orchestra to mix woodwinds with synthetic sounds. Kraftwerk and Conrad Schnitzler already used to work at some techno-folk music, an industrial ethnology inspired by forges, highways or pocket calculators. The band Popol Vuh used to play with liquids, turkish percussions and mantras : “It’s the synthesiser that took me to yoga, used to say Florian Fricke the founder of the band, and I went to religion through the physical theory of vibrations. By studying eastern musics, people can re-discover the cure power of music”. In front of the Germans, there was already the american school. Steve Reich, Terry Riley and Philip Glass used to rock their improvisations with an hypnotic fluctuation that influenced the dry, metallic or cristal-clear harmonies of Kraftwerk. Kraftwerk. There’s a good reason why they are the semi-gods of rap and house. “We were the first ones to use the drum machine on stage, especially for the concert in Boulogne-Billancourt with you in 1973. Back then, no drummer accepted to use the machine. They were deprived from the physical side of drumming. That cerebral, automatic and hallucinating rythmic used to fascinate us. But we still keep a possibility to exit from it and to manually improvise over the robotic background. Q : So you never became a robot ? A : No. We play the machines and the machines play us. We want to orchestrate the mecanic ballet of urban life. Miles away from the pure spacey ones. Because we are mocking. We don’t mix with the world of rock or dance, even if we have been enormously sampled. Apart from Bowie, Eno and Byrne, we’ve never been acquainted with anyone. Except in New York when the DJs started to remix us for house parties, and when Afrika Bambaataa used our music for Planet Rock. We have been very surprised by the collage they did with our musics. Our most ripped-off rythms ? Those from Robots, Numbers, the Model, Home Computer.” Even german unification should, according to Ralf Hutter, finally contribute to a come-back to spiritual and intelligence in Europe ! Surprising ? “There will be devils, says Ralf, like xenophobia and violence which spoil Germany, but also a healthy distrust against materialism that made our country an american colony. They will say our values are worth as much as yours. After buying cars and VCRs, I’m sure they’re gonna ask : where are we going with cars, and what are we watching on VCRs ? They are over at last, those boring 80s. During all these years, we did our best stay awake, to refuse sleeping drugs. Think about the fact that, anywhere in the West, pills are given to children to calm them down at school ! Europe itself can become a great multi-cultural society. That’s what we’d like to say with our next record.” Kraftwerk are very excited by a project. It’s the musical, video and artistic garden that the city of Barcelona ordered to Brian Eno. “Philip Glass, David van Tiegem, our robots, a whole collection of musical artists on a hill playing with perceptions.” The anti-Dysneyland. For 1993. In the meantime, on the road with their electronic living room, typing on their machines from one city to the next, the Kraftwerk people take the opportunity to exercise in mental and physical sport. Ralf loves to leave the bus 100 kilometers from the cities and cycle to the next soundcheck. Once in town, he visits galleries and lively places. Perhaps will you meet him on the next 12 and 13 november somewhere around Beaubourg. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Album price? Date: 13 Sep 1997 21:55:02 +0100 Thomas Bergstroem wrote: > > > A eveningpaper over here listed all albums that's suppose to be released > this atumn and KW should be out by the 15 Sept according to them... > However, they must release it before they go on tour, or? > Actually, there will be someone at the entrance of the Karlruhe gig sitting at a small table and selling the new album. They borrowed a few $$$ to some friends to press a limited serie of 1500. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) 'EURASIA' htm -Sorry- Date: 13 Sep 1997 22:05:56 +0100 Kaoru CHIDA wrote : > > HaHaHa! I always love your esprit!! :) Thank you so much. Actually I have a very good opinion about japanese people : everytime i was in your country, I always found dozens of people ready to help. When groups of japanese people travel abroad, lots of people find them irritating. The reason for this, I think, is that everything works so well in Japan (cars, phones, everything) that japanese must be scared to death when they find themselves for the first time in cities like L.A. , Paris or Bangkok because everything is much more messy and cahotic. For instance in Paris, you have to try 3 or 4 public phones before you find a working one, when in Tokyo or Osaka, I've always been able to make long distance calls from any public phone on the street. > BTW, could you smile at EURASIA's homepage? Why should I smile ? Yes, the lists are quite hard to read, but they seem to have a pretty large (if not exhaustive) collection of european records from the 70s. Of course, some prices are amazing, like this one : MUSICA ELETTRONICA VIVA " the sound pool " FRA ACTUEL 69 FOC ) M/M- $327 but I'm sure it's a real rarity, because I haven't seen it in any record store for at least 20 years. Am I missing something ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Gray" Subject: (kw) Re: Album Price Date: 13 Sep 1997 21:16:57 +0100 Someone asked what the most rare album/single was. And someone replied that ToneFloat was. Well, ToneFloat is readily available in Scotland in various shops (HMV, Virgin, Tower). I bought it just last week on CD and it cost me only =A312.99. It is available on other formats aswell. Sounds like the chap who paid $250 was diddled. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Album price? Date: 13 Sep 1997 22:21:06 +0100 jbv wrote: > > Actually, there will be someone at the entrance of the Karlruhe gig > sitting at a small table and selling the new album. They borrowed a > few $$$ to some friends to press a limited serie of 1500. > Some of you asked me if this is serious info. Of course it is. You know, it's quite hard for 50-something people to come back into bizness after 7 years of silence. It's like they had to start a new career. Who remembers them ? And once the first 1500 copies are sold and after they refund the money to their friends, they hope to be able to press another 1000 copies with the benefits. Or they're thinking of starting a small independent label and produce / distribute singles by local bands of the Dusseldorf area. They might also issue a bi-monthly 4-pages B&W fanzine with graphics inspired by some web sites and some rave flyers. They were thinking of starting their own web site, and Florian bought a book about HTML last month, but finally he gave up, saying that he's too old for that. So I hope you will all support the old generations of electronic music and buy at least one copy of the new album, so that Ralf and Florian could get some pocket money before they definitely disapear inside the Kling Klang Retirement House somewhere in the Dusseldorf countryside, pissing off nurses with stories about the good old time when oscillators had to be hand-tuned and when the frequency drifted anyway. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) Album price? Date: 13 Sep 1997 22:32:52 +0200 You're source is wrong - there will be at least two people: One selling the new album and the other one the remix version. The new album will *not* included the new track, but the remix will. And - bad news: It's limited to 1000 rsp. 500 copies. So hurry up and show up as soon as possible !!! best regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Bergstroem Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Album Price Date: 14 Sep 1997 01:17:49 +0200 (MET DST) > Someone asked what the most rare album/single was. > And someone replied that ToneFloat was. > Well, ToneFloat is readily available in Scotland in various shops (HMV, > Virgin, Tower). > I bought it just last week on CD and it cost me only =A312.99. It is > available on other formats aswell. Sounds like the chap who paid $250 was > diddled. I was the one who asked... my question was about original releases on LP, not new ones on CD... It can't get any better then Kraftwerk on vinyl... analogue all the way... :) Btw, is it hard to get the german version of The Mix? (on LP) /Thomas ___ =20 __l___l__ =20 /_oo\ --------------------------------------- (.____) Thomas Bergstrom - New Beat Development =20 |L_ /T=3D --------------------------------------- / o|\// http://www.kuai.se/dhedberg // o|\/ --------------------------------------- =20 od/L_oj The makers of "Willie's Adventures" ||| =20 ooloo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) TIME PIE/Robotics, Inc. Date: 13 Sep 1997 19:49:32 +0500 Heyy! Just bought a copy of TIME PIE at HMV today-- I think Hypnotic released it on Tuesday. Hey, this album is fun! Nothing like KW, but it's still cool. Don't know how to describe it-- it sort of resembles YMO, Kraftwelt (!), Telex, Yello... whatever. I don't have a favorite track yet, but 'Speechdancer' could go over big in NYC, and 'Mosquito' is hilarious-- I envision a music video in the vein of 'New Frontier'. A little 1950s-animated Wolfgang chasing after cartoon mosquitos with his new flyswatter... 'Guiding Ray' runs a little long, but it builds toward a good rave-up near the end and has actual drums in it-- I think. Didn't he sample a loop of his drumming because he was so rusty at it? "Naked Japanese' is a good exercise in rhythm. (I'm going into detail because of an earlier posting that asked if anyone had heard TIME PIE and could say something about it.) About Robo-tronik construction: Check out www.robotstore.com for just about everything you'll need in that area. They've got servomotors, control boards, software, books, kits, and the mighty Nitinol Muscle Wire. I just ordered their catalog! (Exits, pursued by mosquitos) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@jolly.iol.it Subject: (kw) radioactivity and star trek Date: 14 Sep 1997 02:56:34 +0000 some days ago we talked about Kraftwerk and Star Trek. well, tonight they broadcast a ST episode in Italy called "Radioattivita'", radioactivity, in which a village of a XVII century-like humanoid race is in peril for radioactive contamination and is saved by Data, who lost his memory after an accident but happened to "discover" radiations. and this morning I read on an internet news service that a truck transporting radioactive materials rolled out of the street in Celiabinsk, provocating a serious contamination. ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) "Model" lyrics Date: 14 Sep 1997 01:05:36 +0500 Can anyone tell me why Ralf seems to be strangling on the word 'correkt' in the German version of 'The Model'? -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) radioactivity and star trek Date: 14 Sep 1997 01:00:10 -0700 > From: lbo@jolly.iol.it > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) radioactivity and star trek > Date: Saturday, September 13, 1997 7:56 PM > > some days ago we talked about Kraftwerk and Star Trek. > well, tonight they broadcast a ST episode in Italy called > "Radioattivita'", radioactivity, in which a village of a XVII > century-like humanoid race is in peril for radioactive contamination > and is saved by Data, who lost his memory after an accident but > happened to "discover" radiations. You're KIDDING! I just watched that same episode this evening on the FOX network! Wow- that's KooL that Italy & USA are airing the same episodes "simultaneously"! Yep- DATA saves the day, as usual. Good episide! Hm-m, whatever happened to R&F's idea of playing simultaneous Konzerts in several major cities around the world? Those TRON suits of theirs could make for DATA-GLove Suits, and they could be all plugged in to their KlingKlang gear hidden away in Düsseldorf and beam their VIBES all over the Planet via Satellite-Link.... NEAT-O! > and this morning I read on an internet news service that a truck > transporting radioactive materials rolled out of the street in > Celiabinsk, provocating a serious contamination. *YIKES* Well, maybe KW will add ".....CEE-LLIA-BINNSK...." in their next Re-Mix of RADIOACTIVITY. ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) TIME PIE/Robotics, Inc. Date: 14 Sep 1997 11:14:11 +0100 Christopher Gross wrote: > > > About Robo-tronik construction: Check out www.robotstore.com for just about > everything you'll need in that area. They've got servomotors, control boards, > software, books, kits, and the mighty Nitinol Muscle Wire. I just ordered > their catalog! > Thank you so much for the info. I had already gathered several schematics about robot parts, electronics for driving step-motors, etc. but it looks like they have everything. I especially like their "listening robots" ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Musica Elettronica Viva Date: 14 Sep 1997 11:23:19 +0100 jbv wrote: > > MUSICA ELETTRONICA VIVA " the sound pool " > FRA ACTUEL 69 FOC ) M/M- $327 > > but I'm sure it's a real rarity, because I haven't seen it in any > record store for at least 20 years. > Yesterday evening I was talking about that italian band from the late 60s and we couldn't remember the name of the founder member. Wasn't it Frederic Revsky or something like that ? And BTW, does anyone remember them ? They used to play live electronics inspired by free-jazz and with strong political convictions... And what was the name of this other (US) live electronic group, featuring Alvin Lucier and Gordon Mumma ? Just another bunch of four guys playing live electronics... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) "Model" lyrics Date: 14 Sep 1997 13:41:34 +0200 =20 >Can anyone tell me why Ralf seems to be strangling on the word=20 >'correkt' in=20 >the German version of 'The Model'? =20 =20 Well, it's a bit ironic and means that she is very "correct" in the way=20 she acts and talks, drinking Champagne etc., a bit "posh", a bit hard=20 to get in touch with etc.=20 =20 The "strangling" way "korrekt" is said is just to emphasise how silly=20 she is....=20 =20 At least this is my opinion, which isn't necessarily the CORRECT one!!!=20 =20 Mats =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Musica Elettronica Viva Date: 14 Sep 1997 15:12:26 +0100 jbv wrote: > And what was the name of this other (US) live electronic group, > featuring Alvin Lucier and Gordon Mumma ? Just another bunch of four > guys playing live electronics... It was the Sonic Arts Union, also with David Behrman and Robert Ashley. -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: (kw) Travelinfo Linz Date: 14 Sep 1997 15:14:06 +0200 (MEST) Hi! Please have a look at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/2205/kwtravel.html You will find a Linz Travel-Information with Hotels, Posthof and other stuff there... I will try to expand an update this continously... Greetings from Austria zilli *********************** Alexander Peter Zillner EDV-Beratung Schussweg 8 4210 Unterweitersdorf *********************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) I want to believe Date: 13 Sep 1997 21:52:08 +0100 Rafa wrote: >=20 > Hello, >=20 > This is a message that I=B4ve recived from a friend from Frankfurt.... >=20 > >>>>>>>> > New infos on Kraftwerk! >=20 > First, the new Album will be available next monday, as far as the peopl= e > at my musicstore are informed. As soon as I got it, i will send you an > eMail. > <<<<<<<<< >=20 If this is true, i'd better finish translating my old interviews before monday, otherwise I'll look pretty stupid with that old stuff... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) TIME PIE/Robotics, Inc. Date: 14 Sep 1997 11:09:45 -0600 (MDT) On Sun, 14 Sep 1997, jbv wrote: > Christopher Gross wrote: > > > > About Robo-tronik construction: Check out www.robotstore.com for just about > > everything you'll need in that area. They've got servomotors, control boards, > > software, books, kits, and the mighty Nitinol Muscle Wire. I just ordered > > their catalog! Cool! Thanks for the info. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) fanzine meeting info (off topic) Date: 14 Sep 1997 19:59:00 +0000 Dear Fanzine editor/publisher, The Third International Fanzine Meeting at the Barcelona Record Collectors Fair will take place at the end of October. Fanzine exhibition, catalogue and free stalls are some of the activities that will take place. Thousands of potential readers visit our place every year. We would welcome your participation!!! For further info: http://www.arrakis.es/~miracles/encontre.htm e-mail: miracles@arrakis.es Thanks for your attention PS: Of course Ativitaet will be represented. Jose Garcia Aktivitaet Spain: aktivitat@arrakis.es Aktivitaet Online (Unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine) http://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/aktivitat.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) aktivitaet online Date: 14 Sep 1997 19:59:00 +0000 Aktivitaet Online now has a new section: Collectors Corner. For starters there are 3 jpg pictures of some very rare concert posters. If you visit it, feedback is welcome. By the way, if anyone has some concert poster or promo poster for sale or trade, please get in touch. Otherwise, a pic is also welcome. Jose Garcia Aktivitaet Spain: aktivitat@arrakis.es Aktivitaet Online (Unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine) http://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/aktivitat.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colatina Radio Som Ltda." <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) FOR BRAZILIAN KRAFT FANS ONLY Date: 13 Sep 1997 15:29:51 -0300 ALO KRAFTMAN=CDACOS BRASILEIROS!! EU SEI QUE O ESQUEMA DO MAIL LIST DEVE SER EM INGL=CAS, MAS DECIDI MANDAR ESSA MENSAGEM EM PORTUGU=CAS PARA QUE POSSAMOS NOS CONHECER EM TODO O BRASIL E, QUEM SABE, ORGANIZAR ALGUMA COISA POR AQUI. INCLUSIVE ACHO QUE ESSA ID=C9IA DEVERIA SER SEGUIDA PELOS DEMAIS ADMIRADORES DO KRAFT DE OUTROS PA=CDSES. AFINAL, MUITAS VEZES CONVERSAMOS COM ALGUM ESTRANGEIRO SEM NOS DAR CONTA DE QUE H=C1 MUITOS FANS DENTRO DO NOSSO PR=D3PRIO PA=CDS. ESSE INTERC=C3MBIO SERVIRIA PARA TROCA DE INFORMA=C7=D5ES E MATERIAL. EU, POR EXEMPLO, TENHO TRES V=CDDEOS RAR=CDSSIMOS DE CONCERTOS E UNS 5 CDS PIRATAS, AL=C9M DE UM BOM ARQUIVO CONTENDO FOTOS E REPORTAGENS. COLOCO ESSE MATERIAL =C1 DISPOSI=C7=C3O PARA SER COPIADO, SE ALGU=C9M= ESTIVER A FIM. EMBORA SEJA UM PRINCIPIANTE EM TERMOS DE INFORM=C1TICA E INTERNET, ACHO QUE CABE A N=D3S ENCONTRAR MAIS E MELHORES CANAIS DE COMUNICA=C7=C3O,= LEVANDO EM CONSIDERA=C7=C3O O NOSSO OBJETIVO PRINCIPAL, QUE =C9 DIFUNDIR A= M=DASICA MAGIS- TRAL PRODUZIDA PELO KRAFTWERK E, NATURALMENTE, OBTER SATISFA=C7=C3O= PESSOAL COM A AQUISI=C7=C3O DE ITENS RAROS DA BANDA. PE=C7O DESCULPAS AOS DEMAIS MEMBROS DA MAILING LIST QUE PROVAVELMENTE= N=C3O COMPREENDEM ESTA MENSAGEM, POR=C9M, A FINALIDADE DA MESMA =C9 DAS MAIS= PURAS HONESTAS E NO SENTIDO DE DESENVOLVER O PROCESSO DE INTERC=C2MBIO ENTRE= OS KRAFTMAN=CDACOS DO BRASIL. UM FORTE ABRA=C7O PARA TODOS !! BOING !! BUM !! TSCHAK !!! EDUARDO MONTEIRO (Colatina / ES) =20 97fm@colatina.com.br =20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ivo Peeters Subject: Re: (kw) cd info Date: 14 Sep 1997 20:34:06 +0000 A late reaction to this: Jose Gonzalez wrote: > > anyone knows what contain this music CD: > > TRIBUTE/TRANCEWORK EXPRESS > Release Date: 01/14/97 > I suppose you mean "Trancewerk express" 2 volumes of this have been released. They contain techno style Kraftwerk covers. I bought both albums because of the Kraftwerk connection, but they are not essential. Trancewerk express, vol. I was released in 1995. Track listing: 1. Intro 2. EXIS 01 : Music non stop 3. TELER'S : The robots 4. AUDIO SCIENCE : Homecomputer 5. REVERSE PULSE ENVELOPE : Metropolis 6. PURRTIV J. : Elektrik cafe 7. MEEDOM & WIND : Computerworld 8. ULTRAVISION : Radioactivity 9. AUDIO SCIENCE : Trans Europe Express 10.KIRK : Autobahn 11.IKON : The model Trancewerk express, vol. II was released in 1997. Track listing: 1. MARTIN O. : Intro 2. MARTIN O. : Airwave 3. ROBOTRON : Ruckzuck 4. ZERO GRAVITY : Man machine 5. O.T. ZEHN : Sex object 6. INTERFAITH : Tour de France 7. PYGMY TAXI CORP. : Numbers 8. VOIGHT KAMPFF : Pocket calculator 9. O.T. ZEHN : Kometenmelodie 10.(mystery track) Ivo Peeters # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ivo Peeters Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 01:46:21 +-200 Date: 14 Sep 1997 20:23:53 +0000 Uffe Silverup wrote: > Seriously, (a bit of the topic here) could anyone recommend a TG CD? > Not P-TV or C & C, but TG. > For me, the best TG album is "20 jazz funk greats" (1979, rerelease on CD in 1991, Mute TGCD 4). Also, "D.O.A. - The third and final report of Throbbing Gristle" (1978, rerelease on CD 1991, Mute TGCD 3) is worth listening. Ivo Peeters # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Album Price Date: 14 Sep 1997 21:19:25 +0000 > > Someone asked what the most rare album/single was. > > And someone replied that ToneFloat was. > > Well, ToneFloat is readily available in Scotland in various shops (HMV, > Virgin, Tower). > I bought it just last week on CD and it cost me only =A312.99. It is > available on other formats aswell. Sounds like the chap who paid $250 wa= s > diddled. > Yes, i bought this CD and cost me about $12.6 It includes a bonus track titled 'Vor dem blauen bock (Beat Club TV-Theme Mai 1971)'... I read somewhere that this theme was recorded without Ralf. Florian, Rother and Dinger recorded it at Conrad Plank's studio for a TV show. Michael Rother and Klaus Dinger formed the band 'Neu!'. After listening this CD i think that it's a mystery how these guys evolved to their electronic sounds (one of the biggest mysteries of this century indeed). Maybe they were abducted and some kind aliens taught them to play those nice rhythms ... who knows ? other X-File ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: Re: (kw) cd info Date: 14 Sep 1997 21:20:44 +0000 > I suppose you mean "Trancewerk express" > > 2 volumes of this have been released. They contain techno style > Kraftwerk covers. > I bought both albums because of the Kraftwerk connection, but they are > not essential. > thank you # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: Re: (kw) aktivitaet online Date: 14 Sep 1997 21:24:32 +0000 > For starters there are 3 jpg pictures of some very rare concert > posters. If you visit it, feedback is welcome. > Many people will agree: the second one is the best ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colatina Radio Som Ltda." <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) MESSAGE IN PORTUGUESE FOR KRAFT FANS Date: 13 Sep 1997 17:26:20 -0300 ALO KRAFTMAN=CDACOS BRASILEIROS!! EU SEI QUE O ESQUEMA DO MAIL LIST DEVE SER EM INGL=CAS, MAS DECIDI MANDAR ESSA MENSAGEM EM PORTUGU=CAS PARA QUE POSSAMOS NOS CONHECER EM TODO O BRASIL E, QUEM SABE, ORGANIZAR ALGUMA COISA POR AQUI. INCLUSIVE ACHO QUE ESSA ID=C9IA DEVERIA SER SEGUIDA PELOS DEMAIS ADMIRADORES DO KRAFT DE OUTROS PA=CDSES. AFINAL, MUITAS VEZES CONVERSAMOS COM ALGUM ESTRANGEIRO SEM NOS DAR CONTA DE QUE H=C1 MUITOS FANS DENTRO DO NOSSO PR=D3PRIO PA=CDS. ESSE INTERC=C3MBIO SERVIRIA PARA TROCA DE INFORMA=C7=D5ES E MATERIAL. EU, POR EXEMPLO, TENHO TRES V=CDDEOS RAR=CDSSIMOS DE CONCERTOS E UNS 5 CDS PIRATAS, AL=C9M DE UM BOM ARQUIVO CONTENDO FOTOS E REPORTAGENS. COLOCO ESSE MATERIAL =C1 DISPOSI=C7=C3O PARA SER COPIADO, SE ALGU=C9M= ESTIVER A FIM. EMBORA SEJA UM PRINCIPIANTE EM TERMOS DE INFORM=C1TICA E INTERNET, ACHO QUE CABE A N=D3S ENCONTRAR MAIS E MELHORES CANAIS DE COMUNICA=C7=C3O,= LEVANDO EM CONSIDERA=C7=C3O O NOSSO OBJETIVO PRINCIPAL, QUE =C9 DIFUNDIR A= M=DASICA MAGIS- TRAL PRODUZIDA PELO KRAFTWERK E, NATURALMENTE, OBTER SATISFA=C7=C3O= PESSOAL COM A AQUISI=C7=C3O DE ITENS RAROS DA BANDA. PE=C7O DESCULPAS AOS DEMAIS MEMBROS DA MAILING LIST QUE PROVAVELMENTE= N=C3O COMPREENDEM ESTA MENSAGEM, POR=C9M, A FINALIDADE DA MESMA =C9 DAS MAIS= PURAS HONESTAS E NO SENTIDO DE DESENVOLVER O PROCESSO DE INTERC=C2MBIO ENTRE= OS KRAFTMAN=CDACOS DO BRASIL. UM FORTE ABRA=C7O PARA TODOS !! BOING !! BUM !! TSCHAK !!! EDUARDO MONTEIRO (Colatina / ES) =20 97fm@colatina.com.br =20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) aktivitaet online Date: 14 Sep 1997 23:16:11 +0100 Jose Garcia wrote: > > By the way, if anyone has some concert poster or promo poster for > sale or trade, please get in touch. Otherwise, a pic is also welcome. > I found a couple of full-page advertisements in french magazines for the Paris 1981 concert. Could it be of some interest to the list ? I'm not planing to trade that. But if the answer is yes, I'll try to post it somehow as soon as I can find a scanner. Let me know... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) aktivitaet online/Posters/TREK Date: 14 Sep 1997 14:38:22 -0700 > > For starters there are 3 jpg pictures of some very rare concert > > posters. If you visit it, feedback is welcome. > > > Many people will agree: the second one is the best ! *OUCH* I'd rather sit on a SubWoofer and wrap myself around the voice coil, thank you. KranK it UP! -(Gee, I never thought R&F considered traffic cones as phallic symbols.*HEEHEE*. KinKy!)- Just gimmie those VIBES!*YUM*! ps: oops- correction in my recent TREK schpiel: The FOX network is showing the new season of Voyager- goodbye Kes, hello BorgChick. I meant to say local KIEM ch.3 is showing ST: Next Gen & DS9 & original episodes as a "marathon" in the Saturday night/Sunday morning wee hours. sorry, when I posted that, I was in a rush to go watch AMP on MTV. Alas, no KW vids this time. :[ ROBOBUMMER ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Photos & ads Date: 15 Sep 1997 00:25:20 +0100 OK people It looks like some of you are quite excited by pictures of R&F. Last week, when I mentioned a few pictures that I haven't seen on any web site, I got at least 5 messages from list members saying that they'd like to put them on their site. So, I'm pretty busy these days, but I should be able to approach a scanner within the next 5 to 10 days. Let me know what is the best format : TIFF, GIF, JPEG, KRAUT ? BTW, I must confess that I don't really understand why some of you are so eager to trade posters and similar stuff. I thought KW was about music... Is it a typical fan behaviour ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) derrick may interview Date: 15 Sep 1997 00:29:03 +0100 Someone just posted that on another list. thought it could be of interest to some list members.. jbv >Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 00:06:25 +0200 >To: lowlands@xs4all.nl >From: amazing arnold >Subject: (LOW) derrick may interview >Sender: owner-lowlands@xs4all.nl > > > ¤ > > Let’s cut the crap. Derrick > May is yesterdays hero. He > even admits it. But he’s also > the Godfather of techno as > we know it, the ambassador > of beats and one of the > world’s best dj’s. Records like > The Dance, Sinister and Strings > of Life build huge walls around > him. Walls he refused to climb. > Instead he returned to his > recordboxes and travelled > the world. But this summer > marked the return of the > musician Derrick May with > new tracks for Sony > Playstation and Levis Jeans. > Will it mean the end of a myth > or is it The Beginning? > > ¤ > > interview up & ready @ forcefield > http://wwwedu.cs.utwente.nl/~wielen/forcefield > > Out now: 'The devil's highway' cd (Silver), Bunker 027/028 LP's New records coming up on Djax-up-Beats,, Mind, Speedster The Rude 66 homepage: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rude66 has been refreshed and updated and now includes audio files. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@jolly.iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) radioactivity and star trek Date: 15 Sep 1997 01:07:37 +0000 > Hm-m, whatever happened to R&F's idea of playing simultaneous Konzerts in > several major cities around the world? Those TRON suits of theirs could > make for DATA-GLove Suits, and they could be all plugged in to their you mean using the fluosuits as large datagloves to move simultaneously robots all over the world? well, this would be great! I am only concerned about the time zones... we could see it at 10 pm but it could be 11 am in Usa... ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@jolly.iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) "Model" lyrics Date: 15 Sep 1997 01:07:39 +0000 > The "strangling" way "korrekt" is said is just to emphasise how silly > she is.... but isn't *the* model intended to be a positive personage in the song? is it true that the song was inspired by that female singer... how is she called... that was rumoured to be a man before and had a deep voice and was in touch with Dali... oh, yes, Amanda Lear, that is supposed to be in good relation with R&F too? ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Kess Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Album Price Date: 15 Sep 1997 00:29:38 -0400 >After listening this CD i think that it's a mystery how these guys >evolved to their electronic sounds (one of the biggest mysteries of = >this century indeed). Maybe they were abducted and some kind aliens = >taught them to play those nice rhythms ... who knows ? other X-File ? Hy Jose, I totally agree. I bought this CD too, was very happy , when I found t = the shops. But listening to it it... Best thing to say about this CD is, Heaven, thank you, they changed their= = style. Fortunatly, later, they used less drugs to make their records. Nowadays. I think, this record is a collectors item, nothing more. regards Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) aktivitaet online/Posters/TREK Date: 15 Sep 1997 12:08:51 +0100 > "marathon" in the Saturday night/Sunday morning wee hours. sorry, when I > I was in a rush to go watch AMP on MTV. Alas, no KW vids this > time. :[ ROBOBUMMER > Is this the same AMP I saw supporting The Silver Apples at the Highbury Garage last night? They were really shit! Silver Apples were fucking brilliant though. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) MESSAGE IN PORTUGUESE FOR KRAFT FANS Date: 15 Sep 1997 12:57:31 GMT Colatina Radio Som Ltda. wrote: > > ALO KRAFTMAN=CDACOS BRASILEIROS!! > EU SEI QUE O ESQUEMA DO MAIL LIST DEVE SER EM INGL=CAS, MAS DECIDI > MANDAR ESSA MENSAGEM EM PORTUGU=CAS PARA QUE POSSAMOS NOS CONHECER > EM TODO O BRASIL E, QUEM SABE, ORGANIZAR ALGUMA COISA POR AQUI. > INCLUSIVE ACHO QUE ESSA ID=C9IA DEVERIA SER SEGUIDA PELOS DEMAIS > ADMIRADORES DO KRAFT DE OUTROS PA=CDSES. > AFINAL, MUITAS VEZES CONVERSAMOS COM ALGUM ESTRANGEIRO SEM NOS > DAR CONTA DE QUE H=C1 MUITOS FANS DENTRO DO NOSSO PR=D3PRIO PA=CDS. > ESSE INTERC=C3MBIO SERVIRIA PARA TROCA DE INFORMA=C7=D5ES E = MATERIAL. > EU, POR EXEMPLO, TENHO TRES V=CDDEOS RAR=CDSSIMOS DE CONCERTOS E = UNS > 5 CDS PIRATAS, AL=C9M DE UM BOM ARQUIVO CONTENDO FOTOS E = REPORTAGENS. > COLOCO ESSE MATERIAL =C1 DISPOSI=C7=C3O PARA SER COPIADO, SE = ALGU=C9M ESTIVER > A FIM. > EMBORA SEJA UM PRINCIPIANTE EM TERMOS DE INFORM=C1TICA E INTERNET, = ACHO > QUE CABE A N=D3S ENCONTRAR MAIS E MELHORES CANAIS DE = COMUNICA=C7=C3O, LEVANDO > EM CONSIDERA=C7=C3O O NOSSO OBJETIVO PRINCIPAL, QUE =C9 DIFUNDIR A = M=DASICA MAGIS- > TRAL PRODUZIDA PELO KRAFTWERK E, NATURALMENTE, OBTER SATISFA=C7=C3O= PESSOAL > COM A AQUISI=C7=C3O DE ITENS RAROS DA BANDA. > PE=C7O DESCULPAS AOS DEMAIS MEMBROS DA MAILING LIST QUE = PROVAVELMENTE N=C3O > COMPREENDEM ESTA MENSAGEM, POR=C9M, A FINALIDADE DA MESMA =C9 DAS = MAIS PURAS > HONESTAS E NO SENTIDO DE DESENVOLVER O PROCESSO DE INTERC=C2MBIO = ENTRE OS > KRAFTMAN=CDACOS DO BRASIL. > > UM FORTE ABRA=C7O PARA TODOS !! BOING !! BUM !! TSCHAK !!! > > > > EDUARDO MONTEIRO (Colatina / ES) =20 > > 97fm@colatina.com.br > > =20 > =20 > could somebody translate please???? ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Photos & ads Date: 15 Sep 1997 11:12:26 +0200 =20 >So, I'm pretty busy these days, but I should be able to approach a =20 >scanner within the next 5 to 10 days. Let me know what is the best=20 >format : TIFF, GIF, JPEG, KRAUT ?=20 =20 JPEG is the best! The only formats that can be put on the internet are=20 JPEG and GIF, and JPEG are of much better quality (but need more=20 memory)....=20 =20 Mats=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: Re: (kw) Photos & ads Date: 15 Sep 1997 16:12:17 +0200 > JPEG is the best! The only formats that can be put on the internet are > JPEG and GIF, and JPEG are of much better quality (but need more > memory).... not necessary, I mean JPG images are often less big than GIF ones. It depends on the nature of the image. For photos JPG is definitely the best and the compression/quality level can be specified (though too big compression levels are too lossy and may look crap). On the other hand GIF is perfect for drawings or small graphics, especially for web gfx because of transparency feature. Tim. -- Timour JGENTI | Institut Francais du Petrole _______________|___________________________________ _______________| mailto:timour.jgenti@ifp.fr _______________| http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) MESSAGE IN PORTUGUESE FOR KRAFT FANS Date: 15 Sep 1997 15:06:33 +0100 Jules Seifert wrote: > could somebody translate please???? It is intended to gather all brasilian KW fans, with possible exchange of material, nothing particularly relevant to fans of other countries. I find the message quite lacking in netiquette, since it is posted on a medium where the vast majority doesn't understand the language and particularly in all-caps. Messages of this kind should be posted in english, even if directed at people with other native languages. -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| > ALO KRAFTMANÍACOS BRASILEIROS!! > EU SEI QUE O ESQUEMA DO MAIL LIST DEVE SER EM INGLÊS, MAS DECIDI > MANDAR ESSA MENSAGEM EM PORTUGUÊS PARA QUE POSSAMOS NOS CONHECER > EM TODO O BRASIL E, QUEM SABE, ORGANIZAR ALGUMA COISA POR AQUI. > INCLUSIVE ACHO QUE ESSA IDÉIA DEVERIA SER SEGUIDA PELOS DEMAIS > ADMIRADORES DO KRAFT DE OUTROS PAÍSES. > AFINAL, MUITAS VEZES CONVERSAMOS COM ALGUM ESTRANGEIRO SEM NOS > DAR CONTA DE QUE HÁ MUITOS FANS DENTRO DO NOSSO PRÓPRIO PAÍS. > ESSE INTERCÃMBIO SERVIRIA PARA TROCA DE INFORMAÇÕES E MATERIAL. > EU, POR EXEMPLO, TENHO TRES VÍDEOS RARÍSSIMOS DE CONCERTOS E UNS > 5 CDS PIRATAS, ALÉM DE UM BOM ARQUIVO CONTENDO FOTOS E > REPORTAGENS. > COLOCO ESSE MATERIAL Á DISPOSIÇÃO PARA SER COPIADO, SE ALGUÉM > ESTIVER A FIM. > EMBORA SEJA UM PRINCIPIANTE EM TERMOS DE INFORMÁTICA E INTERNET, ACHO > QUE CABE A NÓS ENCONTRAR MAIS E MELHORES CANAIS DE COMUNICAÇÃO, LEVANDO > EM CONSIDERAÇÃO O NOSSO OBJETIVO PRINCIPAL, QUE É DIFUNDIR A MÚSICA MAGIS- > TRAL PRODUZIDA PELO KRAFTWERK E, NATURALMENTE, OBTER SATISFAÇÃO PESSOAL > COM A AQUISIÇÃO DE ITENS RAROS DA BANDA. > PEÇO DESCULPAS AOS DEMAIS MEMBROS DA MAILING LIST QUE PROVAVELMENTE NÃO > COMPREENDEM ESTA MENSAGEM, PORÉM, A FINALIDADE DA MESMA É DAS MAIS PURAS > HONESTAS E NO SENTIDO DE DESENVOLVER O PROCESSO DE INTERCÂMBIO ENTRE OS > KRAFTMANÍACOS DO BRASIL. > > UM FORTE ABRAÇO PARA TODOS !! BOING !! BUM !! TSCHAK !!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lars Bull Subject: (kw) Album news... Date: 15 Sep 1997 16:49:17 +0200 OK, here we go again: Just got word from my local record store that the reissues or back on track again. The guy at the store told me that Swedish EMI had a meeting today stating so among other things. Please don't haunt me if this falls through as it has so many times now. Just wanted you to know the little things I know. Oh, the new date is the 1st of october. Please, God, if I am to die; let me do so just after Kraftwerk has released a new album so I don't have to go while waiting for something that might be nothing. Bye, Lars Bull "No RISC - No Fun" MacForum Foreningsgatan 31 411 27 Goteborg Sweden E-Mail: lars.bull@macforum.se WWW: www.macforum.se Fax: +46 31 721 31 01 Telephone: +46 31 721 31 00 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) Double Vako Thingy Date: 15 Sep 1997 16:24:06 -0700 > I have just purchased a double manual Vako Orchestron. Sounds like the name of some sex toy!!! Seriously now, how about sampling it, so that we all, well many of us anyway, can play it at home? And while you're at it, since I've never seen such a beast a few pictures would also be nice. Hope I'm not asking too much but we've got to keep ourselves busy while we wait for the new KW album to be released... Rui Inacio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Date: 15 Sep 1997 15:14:30 GMT Hi werkers! Y'know, it occurred to me that r&f play a very dodgy game with their secrecy. What with the aborted issues / reissues both recently and in the past, they fall foul of the bootleg re-mixers. I don't mind forking out for a live bootleg, that happens to every artist, but the sheer volume of 're-mixes' some good, some bloody awful must surely be a direct result of the lack of new material and/or aborted releases. so, r&f, RELEASE SOMETHING!, anything, we don't mind! ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) Listening is believing... Date: 15 Sep 1997 16:30:24 -0700 > First, the new Album will be available next monday, as far as the people > at my musicstore are informed. As soon as I got it, i will send you an > eMail. > <<<<<<<<< > > I want to believe !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When it comes to KW I'm from the Mulder school of thought: Trust no one (unless they hand you a copy of the new album). Coming to think of it, they could make an X-files episode about this... ;^) Rui Inacio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) live kraftwerk Date: 14 Sep 1997 23:18:30 +0100 Is it possible for someone, somewhere to create a Kraftwerk archive or concerts, rare/unreleased mixes etc that we can all trade? Just thinking out loud.... Mark > ># Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? ># Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ># Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carlos Jose Quinteiro Subject: RE: (kw) MESSAGE IN PORTUGUESE FOR KRAFT FANS Date: 15 Sep 1997 10:29:57 -0300 Friends KWians; >could somebody translate please???? He wants to make contact with members of the mailist list who speaks Portuguese. He wants to trade copies of videos and CDs, pictures, etc. He's Brazilian. Is it. Bye! ************************************************ Carlos Jose Quinteiro carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br Rua Frei Caneca 11 ap. 21 01307-001 Sao Paulo SP Brasil ************************************************ >---------- >From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk[SMTP:jseifert@cableinet.co.uk] >Sent: Segunda-feira, 15 de Setembro de 1997 09:57 >To: Colatina Radio Som Ltda. >Cc: Kraftwerk Mailing List >Subject: Re: (kw) MESSAGE IN PORTUGUESE FOR KRAFT FANS > > >Colatina Radio Som Ltda. wrote: > >> >> ALO KRAFTMAN=CDACOS BRASILEIROS!! >> EU SEI QUE O ESQUEMA DO MAIL LIST DEVE SER EM INGL=CAS, MAS = DECIDI >> MANDAR ESSA MENSAGEM EM PORTUGU=CAS PARA QUE POSSAMOS NOS = CONHECER >> EM TODO O BRASIL E, QUEM SABE, ORGANIZAR ALGUMA COISA POR AQUI. >> INCLUSIVE ACHO QUE ESSA ID=C9IA DEVERIA SER SEGUIDA PELOS DEMAIS >> ADMIRADORES DO KRAFT DE OUTROS PA=CDSES. >> AFINAL, MUITAS VEZES CONVERSAMOS COM ALGUM ESTRANGEIRO SEM NOS >> DAR CONTA DE QUE H=C1 MUITOS FANS DENTRO DO NOSSO PR=D3PRIO = PA=CDS. >> ESSE INTERC=C3MBIO SERVIRIA PARA TROCA DE INFORMA=C7=D5ES E = MATERIAL. >> EU, POR EXEMPLO, TENHO TRES V=CDDEOS RAR=CDSSIMOS DE CONCERTOS E = UNS >> 5 CDS PIRATAS, AL=C9M DE UM BOM ARQUIVO CONTENDO FOTOS E = REPORTAGENS. >> COLOCO ESSE MATERIAL =C1 DISPOSI=C7=C3O PARA SER COPIADO, SE = ALGU=C9M ESTIVER >> A FIM. >> EMBORA SEJA UM PRINCIPIANTE EM TERMOS DE INFORM=C1TICA E = INTERNET, ACHO >> QUE CABE A N=D3S ENCONTRAR MAIS E MELHORES CANAIS DE = COMUNICA=C7=C3O, LEVANDO >> EM CONSIDERA=C7=C3O O NOSSO OBJETIVO PRINCIPAL, QUE =C9 DIFUNDIR = A M=DASICA >>MAGIS- >> TRAL PRODUZIDA PELO KRAFTWERK E, NATURALMENTE, OBTER = SATISFA=C7=C3O PESSOAL >> COM A AQUISI=C7=C3O DE ITENS RAROS DA BANDA. >> PE=C7O DESCULPAS AOS DEMAIS MEMBROS DA MAILING LIST QUE = PROVAVELMENTE N=C3O >> COMPREENDEM ESTA MENSAGEM, POR=C9M, A FINALIDADE DA MESMA =C9 DAS = MAIS >>PURAS >> HONESTAS E NO SENTIDO DE DESENVOLVER O PROCESSO DE INTERC=C2MBIO = ENTRE OS >> KRAFTMAN=CDACOS DO BRASIL. >> >> UM FORTE ABRA=C7O PARA TODOS !! BOING !! BUM !! TSCHAK !!! >> >> >> >> EDUARDO MONTEIRO (Colatina / ES) =20 >> >> 97fm@colatina.com.br >> >> =20 >> =20 >> >could somebody translate please???? > >ciao, > >-------------------------------------------- >Jules Seifert >'The Voice of Energy' > >#Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- >http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm > > ># Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? ># Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ># Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original >sender. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: (kw) Fun on the Autobahn Date: 15 Sep 1997 17:41:48 +0200 Hi, Recently I made a 3D logo of Autobahn and today I put it on my web site in VRML format. It looks funny, however VRML is strange thing and maybe it doesn't work with some browsers. Anyway it should work with Live3D (Netscape 3) or similar browser. Try it on: http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/kw.html or directly http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/kw/auto.wrl colors and lightings aren't that good yet, I have to improve it, but geometry seems OK. Have Fun! Tim. -- Timour JGENTI | Institut Francais du Petrole _______________|___________________________________ _______________| mailto:timour.jgenti@ifp.fr _______________| http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: (kw) Sky Magazine Date: 15 Sep 1997 14:33:18 Nice picture of Kraftwerk in Sky Magazine's "images of the summer" feature in October issue. It's a shot taken during "Man Machine". Someone, was it one of you, is wearing the saddest red/green hat you'll ever see! Own up now. Regards Richard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) MESSAGE IN PORTUGUESE FOR KRAFT FANS Date: 15 Sep 1997 20:38:00 +0100 Jules Seifert wrote: > could somebody translate please???? Paulo Mouat wrote : >It is intended to gather all brasilian KW fans, with possible exchange >of material, nothing particularly relevant to fans of other countries. >I find the message quite lacking in netiquette, since it is posted on a >medium where the vast majority doesn't understand the language and >particularly in all-caps. Messages of this kind should be posted in >english, even if directed at people with other native languages. I don't really agree : I think it's nice to escape from english at times... It's a pity that this list doesn't allow attached files, for I would enjoy some bresilian music and views... Let us know what's going on in Brazil these days... Did KW ever play over there ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) NEW ALBUM ! Date: 15 Sep 1997 20:43:28 +0100 So, where is that new album ? I've heard it should be released today... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronald Pieket Subject: (kw) Re: Album Price Date: 15 Sep 1997 12:16:56 -0700 "Jose Gonzalez" wrote: > After listening this CD i think that it's a mystery how these guys > evolved to their electronic sounds (one of the biggest mysteries of > this century indeed). Maybe they were abducted and some kind aliens > taught them to play those nice rhythms ... who knows ? other X-File ? If you listen to the three albums between Tone Float and Autobahn (Kraftwerk - Kraftwerk2 - Ralf&Florian), the evolution of ideas and sound is very clear, and quite gradual. Tone Float is indeed an odd one, the other three pre-Autobahn albums are much more pleasing to listen to. - Ronald. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: Re: (kw) Photos & ads Date: 15 Sep 1997 21:47:09 +0000 > It looks like some of you are quite excited by pictures of R&F. > specially by those with cones and girls ;P # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Album Price Date: 15 Sep 1997 21:49:41 +0000 > If you listen to the three albums between Tone Float and Autobahn > (Kraftwerk - Kraftwerk2 - Ralf&Florian), the evolution of ideas and sound > is very clear, and quite gradual. > > Tone Float is indeed an odd one, the other three pre-Autobahn albums are > much more pleasing to listen to. unfortunately i only have Ralf & Florian... >:( # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) TV Date: 15 Sep 1997 23:11:17 +-200 Hi Werkers! I bought my second (yes, I will seek professional help) picture 12" of = TV with EM. Im "delighted" to say that it skips exactly at the same place as the = first one!! ;-) My suspicion is that all the picture 12" skips, but how about the black = ones? And does anyone have a picture 12" that doesn=B4t skip? (no, I don=B4t want to buy it, I already got 2 ;-)) /Uffe Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden http://www.algonet.se/~silverup/kraft E-Mail: silverup@algonet.se or robotronik@rocketmail.com _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_= /\_ ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ *Why*Does*It*Hurt*When*My*Heart*Misses*The*Beat*?* ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_= /\_ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Geoff Watson Subject: (kw) Kraftwelt Date: 15 Sep 1997 22:39:10 +0100 Forgive me if this has been discussed before , but has anyone else heard an album by "Kraftwelt" called Electric Dimension? Got any background? It's 'dedicated to Ralf and Florian'on the cover and on a first listening is dull with the odd decent bit - if you see it ,save your money for the box set (all 4 12" available for £35 each in London today - alas no box or "t" ) Does anyone in the UK know where Yamo's Time Pie is on sale ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tiger Moses Subject: (kw) Olympic CD by Nexus Date: 15 Sep 1997 16:16:50 -0500 Hey Nexus or whoever did the insert art for the CD Can you send me the files used to generate the art. I have access to color laser so I'd like ot be able to recreate if I end up making any CD's for anyone else Thanks! Once I verify I have no problems creating duplicate of the Olympic CD, I will let north americans knwo what procedure to follow in order to obtain a copy. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Photos & ads Date: 15 Sep 1997 23:41:55 +0100 Your attention please... Today I managed to scan the pictures. Everything was done on a Mac, but I think that file formats such as PICT, TIFF or JPEG can also be used on PCs. All pictures have been scanned at 300 dpi. Some of them are in color, so the original files are huge. JPEG compression reduces the size of the files to about 5 % of the original size. Anyway, some pictures are still 700 Kb. Here is what I have : Photos : - 1978 4 members color TEE - 1976 4 members color RA - 1991 4 robots inverted colors MIX - 1981 R&F B&W CW - 1976 R&F B&W RA - 1976 Florian B&W RA - 1973 Ralf B&W Paris gig Ads : - 1981 1/4 page ad for Paris gig (in french) - 1981 full page ad for CW (in french) Finally, I decided to trade each picture for something. For instance, ROBOT sent me two big kisses on both cheeks for posting the interviews. So, what will I get for each picture ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Date: 15 Sep 1997 18:35:27 -0400 If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Date: 16 Sep 1997 00:32:03 +0100 Adam Schefflan wrote: > > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. > NIN, Teddy Riley and Bally Sagoo. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rmknudson@juno.com (matt knudson) Subject: (kw) Re: Album Price Date: 15 Sep 1997 21:35:31 -0700 Can any of you get me info on a good place to get KW bootleg CD's? I promise to keep the information confidential if it needs to be. "By pressing down a special key it plays a little melody!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "303@iname.com" <303@bigfoot.com> Subject: (kw) Bootwerk/Legchoppers & Kraft inc. Date: 16 Sep 1997 05:41:44 +0200 ®0|áÑð †b­ 303@iname.com T‡é Ù|†¡màtë Ðâñçêmª©h¡ñË™ http://www.kraftwerk.com > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. ...what about me? I've got a studio including several samplers, vintage synthesizers & vocoders... and I LOVE KW!!!!!!! ...not to mention the knowledge & time ;-) ///Charlie Crash (...I've thought of a 'TdF' club-stuffer in Brooklyn Bounce/Sash stile of my own touch with great respect for the old Düsseldorfers...anyone fancy that?) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Album Price Date: 16 Sep 1997 05:59:25 +0200 On 13.09.97 at 22:16, sgray@globalnet.co.uk wrote:=20 =20 >Well, ToneFloat is readily available in Scotland in various shops=20 (HMV,=20 >Virgin, Tower).=20 >I bought it just last week on CD and it cost me only =A312.99. It is=20 >available on other formats aswell. Sounds like the chap who paid $250=20 was=20 >diddled.=20 =B0=B0=B0 Hello!=20 =B0=B0 ...>available on other formats aswell Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwelt Date: 15 Sep 1997 23:31:28 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Geoff Watson wrote: > Forgive me if this has been discussed before , but has anyone else heard > an album by "Kraftwelt" called Electric Dimension? Got any background? > It's 'dedicated to Ralf and Florian'on the cover and on a first > listening is dull with the odd decent bit - if you see it ,save your > money for the box set (all 4 12" available for =A335 each in London today > - alas no box or "t" ) I have it. It's good but a little bland. My favorite track is "1187" -=20 it's the only one that I'd consider a decent tribute attempt. Kraftwelt's "Deranged in Space" CD is better IMHO. It's a bunch of mixes by= =20 various artists of a track called "Deranged". Some versions are quite good. It's also labelled as dedicated to R&F. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously=20 * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Date: 15 Sep 1997 23:36:40 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Adam Schefflan wrote: > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. Kraftwerk, of course. :) Others that might do a good job include The Art of Noise, Autechre, Aphex Twin, Banco de Gaia, Techmaster PEB, Afrika Bambaataa, Depeche Mode, Fortran 5, The Grid, Kraftwelt, Psykosonik, Orbital, The Prodigy, Chemical Brothers, Pete Namlook, Beat Dominator, Simon Harris and maybe FSOL. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oliver Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Album Price Date: 16 Sep 1997 09:08:30 +0200 >mmmh... this let me think about what people could say after 20-30 >years from now... what would they listen, and what would be their >musical motivations? I think, this is unpredictable. When I listen to stuff like Selected Ambient Works (I and II) by Aphex Twin, I sometimes think this could be a glimpse of future music. But thats my taste of music, so I would be OK with that. On the other hand, listening to drum & bass and looking at the progrss this music has, this could be cool too. But I expect all of this musical styles to be dead in 10 or 15 years. Again, on the other hand, I can not imagine how music will sound in 30 years. Will music, especially techno become harder , like breathe from Prodigy or White Zombie, NIN, Ministry, on acid and bpm like hell? No clue.... Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) Live forever Date: 16 Sep 1997 09:04:10 -0700 > Please, God, if I am to die; let me do so just after Kraftwerk has released > a new album So, you're one of those people who want to live forever huh? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Bootwerk/Legchoppers & Kraft inc. Date: 16 Sep 1997 08:52:29 GMT 303@iname.com wrote: >...what about me? I've got a studio including several samplers, vintage >synthesizers & vocoders... >and I LOVE KW!!!!!! hehe. you don't count, you've got a TB303! ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Date: 16 Sep 1997 08:52:37 GMT Ra wrote: >Kraftwerk, of course. :) > >Others that might do a good job include The Art of Noise, Autechre,=20 >Aphex Twin, Banco de Gaia, Techmaster PEB, Afrika Bambaataa, Depeche = Mode,=20 >Fortran 5, The Grid, Kraftwelt, Psykosonik, Orbital, The Prodigy, = Chemical >Brothers, Pete Namlook, Beat Dominator, Simon Harris and maybe FSOL. At last.....a man after my own heart!!! Some of the true great innovators in your list RA!!! Fortran 5.....superb! Autechre, now THAT's a great thought. ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Date: 16 Sep 1997 08:52:21 GMT Adam Schefflan wrote: >If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to >reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. I wouldn't choose anybody, but if I had no choice, hmmmm the decision would be quite difficult. I certainly would not choose Daft Punk (sorry FG) as I don't believe 'da hype' that surrounds them. I've seen 'em twice now and I really don't know what the fuss is about. sounds like disco muzak to me. nothing new. Well, I suppose I'd have to (*groan*) choose a real innovator such as Richard James or failing that at the last stretch maybe Liam Howlett. His Front 242 remixes were brilliant. Two brits, sorry! My patriotism rears it's ugly head again! ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Date: 16 Sep 1997 08:52:34 GMT Adam Schefflan wrote: >The Chemical Brothers sounds really interesting, I have to agree; >infusing pounding break-beats on top of the plinkity-plinks. How about >Tricky? Peace. Not bad, not bad.......coming away from the hip-hop school.......Although I'b be wary of tricky's remixing, I suppose he would make an effective remix if it were a slow track such as 'ohm sweet ohm' or such. The Chemicals? Could be a cracker! ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) Oasiswerk?! Date: 16 Sep 1997 10:18:55 -0700 > >> Please, God, if I am to die; let me do so just after Kraftwerk has released > >> a new album > >So, you're one of those people who want to live forever huh? > > hehehehe. Could you lot STOP putting oasis song titles in the > subject?? > > :-))) I hadn't noticed I was also doing that! It must be because they release new songs ... (Ralf take a hint! ;^) ). I wish KW would release a "SHAKERmaker" of a new album & lots of nice pics to hang on my "Wonderwall" & ... Oh, this is pointless... Cheers, Rui Inacio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Oasiswerk?! Date: 16 Sep 1997 09:32:09 GMT Rui Inacio wrote: >I hadn't noticed I was also doing that! It must be because they release >new songs ... (Ralf take a hint! ;^) ). Do they? Oi, Ralf, NO! Oasis just keep releasing the SAME song, don't copy 'em! ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Surj Bami Date: 16 Sep 1997 10:56:00 BST >I CARE ! It's a large part of KW task to break new grounds. Every >time I go and see them live (and especially in 97) I DO NOT go to a >pilgrimage : I'm expecting new directions and new ideas for the next >10 years (even if I don't always agree with what they come up with). > If it's a large part of Kraftwerk to break new ground then surely fans >of Kraftwerk should try and do the same by seeking out today's future >music. It seems that this list concentrates on that which Kraftwerk >have no interest in: the past. Kraftwerk stood out at the time because >they were largely doing something musically new - their music and Oh now this, I just have to agree with - it's absolutely true. In all forms of art you will always get those that decry the present and look back to the past. It's very difficult to keep an objective view through one's own experience. Basically I have no time for 'prog rock' , I do just about remember it but it always reminds me of hairy beardy-weirdies playing 60 hour guitar solos for nothing other than their own macho fantasies. It's surprising that someone could put that amount of work into something just to sound shit. But hey ! Just my opinion that's all ( and the fact that it happens to be correct as well....:) ) As for older music - I will admit to Sakamoto's 'Riot in Lagos' being one of the things that struck me as 'different' - any one got a copy I can have ? I grew up loving the Beatles (although they split when I was 2 ) - any jangly guitar music was cool ( Sarah records, Talulah Gosh, Heavenly, Field Mice etc.) - then there was the noisier, Jesus & Mary Chain feedback aspect as well, and in all this time the nearest thing I really got to electronic music ( I thought Numan and his fans were just SAD SAD SAD - though now I guess some of his stuff is okay) was New Order / Talk Talk - who once I thought were the best band ever - genius ! Punk came and went. Yeah it was okay but most of the bands were crap. And they still are. And it changed nothing. Stuff like Can (I've heard very little) and some of that other experimental rubbish - yuck. Visage - more men should wear make-up, get in touch with your femininity you sad freaks ! Kings of the Wild Frontier was and is a great album. 'Dreaming of Me ' by Depeche Mode is an awesome tinkly little single - what you would call electronic music's answer to 'jangly' ? Androgeny was where it was at , and when I had a lot more hair (dyed bright blond), and was thinner and younger, putting on a dress and going clubbing was the best thing in the world ! I'd heard 'The Model' and was intrigued - here was a track that had all the tinkly bits I liked, but hey, there was something cold and odd about the German singing - the video was just cool beyond belief ! I like New Order's early minimalism but Computer World - wow! Numbers ? This was the bollocks even to me, someone who had laughed at electronic music but still listened to old skool Rap, Sugarhill Gang, Jekyll and Hyde, Treacherous 3, Funky 4 plus 1, moving onto Schooly D, BDP, Getto Boys etc. This was different to the 'Electro' records that lined my bedroom, the import LA Dream Team singles, the stuff I was playing on a pirate radio show (and then going home to listen to Dream Academy, Smiths, Fatal Charm and Icicle Works). And what about Home Computer ? My first thoughts - pile of dog's droppings, but there *was* something about those sounds that made me play the track over and over. I began to see, slowly that the whole thing was a concept, a feeling, a mood, not just the music - and one that was increasingly appealing..... Neon lights - an electronic track with melody, albeit to me quite a naive one, again a nice twee sound with off-tune singing. I wasn't sure if I liked it or not, but I still listen to it... Now ? Well, uplifting house, 'Frequencies' by LFO - I mean what a killer album -, Asian Dub Foundation, Fun-Da-Mental, Talvin Singh, Orbital - Drum and Bass, has changed all that. I still like guitar stuff, but have as much time for people like A Guy called Gerald (no, not Voodoo Ray), LTJ Bukem, Photek, Squarepusher, Autechre, LFO and of course Kraftwerk. And the other crowd ? The new Prodigy stuff, I think is shite - Alec Empire and Shizuo could do far better (Are Digital Hardcore Recordings easily available to any of you out there ? They're a bugger to find here ....). To end this mail (which really has rambled and has not much point at all) - when I heard Kraftwerk were playing Tribal Gathering my excitement was hard to contain. I wasn't going to go and see them, but the fact that they were 'back' was enough. Thinking back to Birmingham 1991 when I saw them and was blown away by the sheer variety in the audience - black b-boys mixing with pasty faced, freckly Numan fans mixing with hairy 70's fans mixing with people like me ! Still got my Autobahn T-shirt somewhere.... Oh! Nearly forgot - as it seems such a trendy thing to say on this list I was with my partner at the time as well (had to get that in...) and she really wasn't a big fan but by the end both of us thought it was superb. She probably doesn't even remember it (or me) now, but on that evening... And so to now - they have a 'new' track, some people think it's cool, some think it's rubbish. They have a web site some people think it's excellent, some think it's a turd. No big deal, the discussions will continue - and while they do, we know that Kraftwerk are still important.... Surj # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in Linz Date: 16 Sep 1997 19:49:22 +1000 There is a new site at http://www.posthof.at with a single mention of Kraftwerk and some details about the Posthof for german readers. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Surj Bami Date: 16 Sep 1997 11:31:00 BST jbv wrote: > > Actually, there will be someone at the entrance of the Karlruhe gig > sitting at a small table and selling the new album. They borrowed a > few $$$ to some friends to press a limited serie of 1500. >Some of you asked me if this is serious info. Of course it is. >You know, it's quite hard for 50-something people to come back into >bizness after 7 years of silence. It's like they had to start a new >career. Who remembers them ? True, true - I'd heard that things got so bad recently that Ralf had taken to helping out the nearby Haagen Daas emporium. The result being that he is now seriously overweight and has upset the carefully controlled mass-allowed-per-individual setting in Kling Klang. Fears abound as to whether his obesity will split the group further, stay tuned. Surj # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Re : Endless discussions Date: 16 Sep 1997 13:09:25 +0100 Surj Bami wrote : >In all forms of art you will always get those that decry the present >and look back to the past. It's very difficult to keep an objective >view through one's own experience. Sure. But at the same time, it's possible to go beyond personal experience and subjective love / hate feelings regarding an artist or any musical / artistic form. Analysis of the context, comparison with other contemporary or previous art forms, etchnological / sociological / political considerations, etc. are some possible ways to go. And sometimes I regret that this list lacks that kind of... should I say "perspective" ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "303@iname.com" <303@bigfoot.com> Subject: SV: (kw) Bootwerk/Legchoppers & Kraft inc. Date: 16 Sep 1997 14:10:18 +0200 ®0|áÑð †b­ 303@iname.com T‡é Ù|†¡màtë Ðâñçêmª©h¡ñË™ > >and I LOVE KW!!!!!! > > hehe. you don't count, you've got a TB303! > > ciao, It's always nice to be flamed/ignored on a sunny tuesday... ///CC # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Date: 16 Sep 1997 08:11:24 -0500 Adam Schefflan wrote: >If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to >reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. Hmmm... Orbital. As far as I can tell they've never done a bad mix. Jack Dangers. Too funky. Coil. Weird, but probably very cool. Haujobb. Again, never heard a bad Haujobb mix. Aphex Twin. Just fun, eh? Me. I'll do it! Alan Wilder. What little remixing he's done has been very cool. -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= By this time my lungs were aching for air. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: (kw) Remixes Date: 16 Sep 1997 09:22:34 -0400 If I had to choose folks to remix Kraftwerk tracks, I would probably narrow it down to this bunch of artists: Atom Heart, Autechre, Biosphere, The Black Dog, Mark Clifford, Coil, Jack Dangers, Alec Empire, Bruce Gilbert, Richard H Kirk, Mad Professor, John McEntire, Moby, Mouse On Mars, The Orb, Adrian Sherwood, Talvin Singh, Stereolab, Mika Vainio, and Luke Vibert. -- Adam J Weitzman -- Individual, Inc. -- http://www.individual.com -- "I'm writing an unathorized autobiography." - Steven Wright # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Date: 16 Sep 1997 08:02:20 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Jules Seifert wrote: > Ra wrote: > >Others that might do a good job include The Art of Noise, Autechre, > >Aphex Twin, Banco de Gaia, Techmaster PEB, Afrika Bambaataa, Depeche Mode, > >Fortran 5, The Grid, Kraftwelt, Psykosonik, Orbital, The Prodigy, Chemical > >Brothers, Pete Namlook, Beat Dominator, Simon Harris and maybe FSOL. > > At last.....a man after my own heart!!! Some of the true great > innovators in your list RA!!! Fortran 5.....superb! Autechre, now > THAT's a great thought. Indeed. Each of the artists I listed has done at least one track that I really really love. Most have done more. About Fortran 5 - I only have "Blues". Have they done anything else? I've never seen another F5 CD here. :( /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thorsten Dowe Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Date: 16 Sep 1997 16:17:48 +0200 Ra wrote: > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. > >Afrika Bambaataa, reminds me on Sly&Robbie and Bill Laswell, and of course Lee Perry, but I didn´t ever accept him as such a genious as he was always told. reminds me also on the still unanswered question: is there a (known) Reggae-version of The Model? I´ve heard one years ago but I don´t remember anything about who made it or stuff. Thorsten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PRODUKT01@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (kw) Re: Album Price Date: 16 Sep 1997 05:10:29 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-09-16 03:22:59 EDT, oliver_k@bigfoot.com writes: << Prodigy or White Zombie, NIN, Ministry, >> THIS IS HARD? Music will be a never ending mix much like pressing the random button on your cd player New and Retro sounds will be mashed into the music of choice I would think the concept of Drum n bass, Techno would be long gone even in five years due to the fact that it is pretty much dead now it's influnce and mark has been made Now it is mainstreem meat old and dated perfect for mass feeding In electronic music or advanced sound Arrangement (all Rec. music is electronic) you are only as good until your next output because of the vast changes (Tech&app) Steps each day are made in the shadows to move music on and away from the old the mainstreem takes steps on only when they know the path has been tred before. -=Kraftwerk is one of the main units that has SPARKED the fire of modern music one in a few who knew the reality of music where it would end up As for todays Kraftwerk much of todays rules and factors cannot apply I wont go into it all now ...but they have a style they have carefully constructed sitll to this day A bit of old abit of new -the tron bit is cute- The rest of the world is one step behind because they KRAFTWERK took the first step fwd. They may not understand or ever want to understand todays Aphex twin or panasonic-(A very retro sound if you ask me) KraftWerk donot have to they are the fathers and the rest are Basterd children. when the new lp arrives todays greats will bow down before R & F and the ones who dont... never knew thier fathers Two farmers who planted the first few seeds in the electronic garden of sound The garden that shimmers and klangs ripps and shreds dances and sings Its a thinking and living Garden of sound Ground breaking or break danceing they need to Break nothing but the silence.......... Forgive my spelling : ( EQ --------------------- Forwarded message: Sender: owner-kraftwerk@xmission.com >mmmh... this let me think about what people could say after 20-30 >years from now... what would they listen, and what would be their >musical motivations? I think, this is unpredictable. When I listen to stuff like Selected Ambient Works (I and II) by Aphex Twin, I sometimes think this could be a glimpse of future music. But thats my taste of music, so I would be OK with that. On the other hand, listening to drum & bass and looking at the progrss this music has, this could be cool too. But I expect all of this musical styles to be dead in 10 or 15 years. Again, on the other hand, I can not imagine how music will sound in 30 years. Will music, especially techno become harder , like breathe from Prodigy or White Zombie, NIN, Ministry, on acid and bpm like hell? No clue.... Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) What if... Date: 16 Sep 1997 16:59:09 -0700 How about... having Orbital remixing KW tracks with something like "The Model" sung by Bjork? an extra long "Antenna" or "The hall of mirrors" version by Tricky building up the way he does live? Rui Inacio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "303@iname.com" <303@bigfoot.com> Subject: SV: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Date: 16 Sep 1997 18:17:39 +0200 ®0|áÑð †b­ 303@iname.com T‡é Ù|†¡màtë Ðâñçêmª©h¡ñË™ http://www.kraftwerk.com > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. > > I can only think of one group I would recommend: Hardfloor Has anyone heard their Blue Monday Remix? It's awsome :-) ///Charlie Crash # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Re: Album Price Date: 16 Sep 1997 12:16:53 -0400 >>> When I listen to stuff like "Selected Ambient Works (I and II)" by Aphex Twin, I sometimes think this could be a glimpse of future music. <<< I couldn't agree more! There's something about the kid's music that gives it so much more than the average pop-oriented electronic music. I truly think AT's the only real successor to Kraftwerk's legacy, and not only dance-oriented music, but he also gives the other knob-twiddlers, such as Robert Rich, David Parsons, Steve Roach, Michael Stearns, and Vidna Obmana a run for their money, too. AT's on the cusp of a new musical revolution, and we're witnessing the first glimpses of what music might sound like 50 years from now. Pete Namlook remixing KW? Hmm, I always thought of him as a composer and sound designer, not a remixer, but it definitely sounds intriguing! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon.O'Conmhaigh@fp.eureko.ie Subject: re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Date: 16 Sep 1997 17:34 +0100 (BST) author: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) >If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to >reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. complete the circle - get drexcyia to do it cheers # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) time to stop! Date: 16 Sep 1997 18:36:50 +0100 Is it not the time to stop this remixed-by-blah-blah-thread? we are all just waiting for something good (or bad) that we know will reach= us=20 in a year or two -> be patient! //bengt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fer Subject: Re: (kw) time to stop! Date: 16 Sep 1997 18:55:38 +0200 > Is it not the time to stop this remixed-by-blah-blah-> thread? No!!!! We have to talk about something until they split!! I forgot to mention Mouse on Mars before... -Fer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Re: for kwd Date: 16 Sep 1997 18:11:33 +0100 Streuth, a week away and what a lot of activity on the list. Here's a megareply, by way of revenge... jbv wrote:- >Anything played once every 6 years at a high volume and in front of >a crowd of devoted fans will ALWAYS sound right. Nonsense. Pocket Calculator still didn't interest me much, and Autobahn still went on a bit! >In a sense, that's why musicians and mixing engineers always test >their mixes on cheap equipment (Auratones, etc.). If it sounds great >at a low volume on such cheap gear, it will sound even better on >high quality gear and at a high volume. You've mentioned enough names in your other posts to show you're aware of music in which sound creation is as important as melody or rhythm; surely you must agree that such music requires half-decent listening conditions before it can be assessed? Put another away: does _any_ of Kraftwerk's music sound 1/20th as good over your computer's tiny, tinny speaker? Doesn't on mine! jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) wrote:- >I read in the Musik special on the TG that it was approx 8,000 in the >Kraftwerk tent, including the overspill to the outside. The fact that >two other tents closed down during their set probably added to the >numbers trying the ancient art of 'sardines'. Very irresponsible of the organisers, IMO - & they didn't even put Kraftwerk in the main tent! jbv wrote:- >Even all the Human League stuff sounds horribly dated these days. I >listened to the first HM albums a couple of weeks ago and almost throwed >them to the bin. The only things that didnt piss me off were their >first 7 single and the 12 Dignity of labour. Oh, I only like the stuff they did as The Future, not that later stuff when they'd sold out. >:-) Seriously, apart from 'You've Lost that Loving Feeling' (which always was a waste of time) I think much of that stuff has aged pretty well. (How did anyone manage to come up with the magic of 'Empire State Human' with the technology of the time?! Hard work, I presume). Oliver Kess wrote:- >I saw Showbiz on CNN today, David Byrne was giving an interview, because = > >of the release of his new album. He had a showroo dummy with his face = I thought it was just a doll? No? Thanks to jbv for posting the interviews - There was actually some interesting stuff amongst Kraftwerk's customary superficial soundbites (they're not ones for dialogue, are they?). >A : The album always starts from a concept : =93Radioactivity=94 came fro= >m=20 >an idea that fascinated us for a long time, the concept of the radio and=20 >all the phenomenon of the airwaves, the transmission of any radio-active=20 >material. Huh? Eric Oehler wrote:- >And a big thanks to whoever brought up John Foxx! :) That would be Mr & Mrs Foxx. (Sorry). ROBOT@humboldt1.com wrote:- > > FAQs re: KRAFTWERK > Please note that "sun1" should be replaced with "web" in this URL (at the moment they refer to the same pages, but the "sun1" machine will be taken out of service soon). While you're visiting, why not have a look at _my_ list of Kraftwerk links too! ;-) jbv again:- >Subject: (kw) Musica Elettronica Viva >And BTW, does anyone remember them ? They used to play live electronics >inspired by free-jazz and with strong political convictions... I've only recently found one of their records. Must say I was disappointed: lots of uninspired improvisation but very little "elettronica"! Ivo Peeters wrote:- >> Seriously, (a bit of the topic here) could anyone recommend a TG CD? >> Not P-TV or C & C, but TG. >> > >For me, the best TG album is "20 jazz funk greats" (1979, rerelease on >CD in 1991, Mute TGCD 4). Also, "D.O.A. - The third and final report of >Throbbing Gristle" (1978, rerelease on CD 1991, Mute TGCD 3) is worth >listening. I'd go with '20 Jazz Funk Greats', and add 'Heathen Earth'. I feel somehow that there _should_ be a link between KW and TG, but maybe that's just bias... Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Future music Date: 16 Sep 1997 18:19:29 +0100 oliver wrote:- >I think, this is unpredictable. When I listen to stuff like >Selected Ambient Works (I and II) by Aphex Twin, >I sometimes think this could be a glimpse of future music. I was very impressed by Vol. 2 (not vol. 1), but afterwards realised how much its plaintive, swooping drones sounded like Otto Luening and other pioneering electroacoustic composers. "There's nothing new under the sun"... If music reflects what it is to be human, then it'll change radically when humanity changes radically. Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colatina Radio Som Ltda." <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) explanation about "mysterious" message Date: 15 Sep 1997 14:19:55 -0300 Hello, for all! I am brazilian radialist, fanatic for KRAFTWERK=B4s music. I send the "mysterious" message to the mail list, same days ago. Sorry for my mistake. This message was write in portuguese because I want contact with others brazilians fans (for CDs, videos, exchange or sale) The language is big problem for us, brazilians. One more time, sorry ... However, i love KRAFTWERK ! I hope you understand my feelings... Thanks for all. Eduardo Monteiro Radio 97 FM from Brasil =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Does driving on the Autobahn feel like this? Date: 16 Sep 1997 18:28:49 +0100 Just looked up the Aktivitat Collectors' Corner at Jose's site ( http://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/aktivitat/ccorner.htm ). What the...! That middle (or, if you prefer, "bottom") poster isn't quite Kraftwerk's image, is it! Astonishingly tasteless! The Genua poster appears to show Blaine Reininger (ex-Tuxedomoon) on support? Was this about the same time as he recorded 'Rolf [sic] & Florian Go Hawaiian'? (Used to own a copy, but it irritated me! Not one of his best...). Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Harald Westphal) Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe News Date: 16 Sep 1997 19:32:15 +0200 (CES) Today, Dirk and I were at the ZKM here in Karlsruhe to seek for new informations, and a possibility to get some tickets for the concert. We talked to a guy we met two month ago there (an employee at the ZKM music department). He told us that even he hasn't got any tickets and Kraftwerk will have its own security crew, so it would be hard to get into the concert hall without a ticket, even if you are already in the ZKM building. Now something interesting: The guests mentioned at the ZKM web pages will be some DJ's, who spin before and after the concert. The Kraftwerk performance starts at ca. 22.00h. We have asked for a room that we could use for our mailing list meeting, but this seems to be quit difficult, because at the opening weekend, all rooms are needed and they can't make any exception. But I think it's no problem to find a place outside the building where we can meet us. Bye. -- Harald Westphal *** eMail Harald.Westphal@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de -- "Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, programmier' die Zukunft mir." -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) KW re-mixes? Date: 16 Sep 1997 11:27:17 -0700 I think PRODUKT01 said it best: -(If I read the header/sender correctly)- -(SNIP)- > -=Kraftwerk is one of the main units that has SPARKED the fire of modern > music one in a few who knew the reality of music where it would end up > As for todays Kraftwerk much of todays rules and factors cannot apply I > wont go into it all now ...but they have a style they have carefully > constructed still to this day. A bit of old abit of new. > > The rest of the world is one step behind because they KRAFTWERK took the > first step fwd. -(SNIP)- HEAR, HEAR!! Well said! 100% agreement! Ofcourse, if I'D said this same thing, I'd be called a FanatiK. So, I'm glad someone else said it FOR me! Okay, I like Kevorkian, and William Orbit's RADIOACTIVITY Hardcore Mix, and I've heard a few other good remixes of KW tunes by other Artists who respect them. -(Kevorkian worked WITH them, and I think Orbit had their blessing as well.)- I can even handle Souxie & The Banshees' cover of Hall of Mirrors. But, I don't like the idea of messing with perfeKtion. KRAFTWERK is KRAFTWERK. Nobody else has that particular VIBE. As much as I enjoy ALL types music, nothing else in the Universe gives me that same "oneness" that I get with KW. Words can't explain it. Other Artists can take long samples of KW tunes and do fun, interesting things with the songs in their basic original form, but, still, something vital and undefinable is lost somewhere in the proccess. Granted, I get a kick out of picking out KW tunes on my KORG, but, I could never consider recording my pitiful attempts to "copy" them. I do it for fun and practice, that's all. Otherwise, I compose my own stuff. Lame in comparison, to be sure, but, nevertheless totally original. It's funny- my own tunes sound more like Ray Lynch. sort of. Jarre, maybe? Silicon Teens? Even old Church Hymns. I can't shake my childhood days. Thanks, Mom. -(Church pianist.)- I dunno. KW is my main thing, but, my own style is only vaguely similar to theirs. go figure. Songs simply materialize inside my brain and I try to get 'em to come out of my fingers into the SYNTH and out the amp. I'd rather plug in my brain directly and bypass all the bullshit. I hear entire symphonies with full orchestration & effects, but, I have almost ZER0 skills to actally play all the notes and do any fancy programming, etc. It's frustrating. Then again, it's always fun to let the SYNTH do it's own thing and see what comes out. Equal partnership, y'know. sorry. off on a tangent. Any composers out there? Email me. How do YOU come up with tunes? How do you get the tune from brain to loudspeaker so others can hear what YOU hear inside your head? Or do you just set it up, kick back, let the machines run free? ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Album Price Date: 16 Sep 1997 19:20:42 +0200 At 21:35 15-09-97 -0700, you wrote: >Can any of you get me info on a good place to get KW bootleg CD's? >I promise to keep the information confidential if it needs to be. I used to buy all of my KW bootlegsd from him. Try this: (ask for Rene, the owner, and call my name: Dolf 'kraftwerk fan') Playland Records Langegeer 72 2611 PW Delft the Netherlands tel.fax: int +31 15 2135024 0000,0000,8080Dolf 0000,8080,8080 / / Dolf Wiemer, the Netherlands ----/---/---- http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo / / twingo@xs4all.nl, # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (kw) Remixes Date: 16 Sep 1997 17:54:00 +0100 Ok, my remixers: Moby Chemical Brothers Stealth Sonic Orchestra Flood Brian Eno Nine Inch Nails Perfecto The KLF/JAMMS/K2/K Foundation and last, but never least, Underworld. ># Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? ># Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ># Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe News Date: 16 Sep 1997 22:38:21 +0100 Harald Westphal wrote: > > We have asked for a room that we could use for our mailing list meeting, but > this seems to be quit difficult, because at the opening weekend, all rooms > are needed and they can't make any exception. But I think it's no problem to > find a place outside the building where we can meet us. > What about the parking lot ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "303@iname.com" <303@bigfoot.com> Subject: SV: (kw) Does driving on the Autobahn feel like this? Date: 17 Sep 1997 01:57:15 +0200 ®0|áÑð †b­ 303@iname.com T‡é Ù|†¡màtë Ðâñçêmª©h¡ñË™ > What the...! That > middle (or, if you prefer, "bottom") poster isn't quite Kraftwerk's image, > is it! I agree! - Haven't ever seen so ugly feet on a chick... ///Charlie Crash # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) New album Date: 16 Sep 1997 20:51:35 +0500 There is no truth to the rumor that KW have scrapped their new album in favor of a collaborative project with Heino. However, Ralf and Florian were unavailable for comment. -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Date: 16 Sep 1997 20:03:54 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Thorsten Dowe wrote: > > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. > =20 > >Afrika Bambaataa,=20 >=20 > reminds me on Sly&Robbie and Bill Laswell, and of course Lee Perry, but Bill is the only one of those I've heard, and not much even then.=20 > I didn=B4t ever accept him as such a genious as he was always told. Bambaataa? I wouldn't call him a genius by a long shot, but I think he=20 has a certain amount of remixing ability and he has my gratitude for=20 doing Planet Rock. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously=20 * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Date: 16 Sep 1997 20:10:25 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, 303@iname.com wrote: > > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. > I can only think of one group I would recommend: > Hardfloor They're excellent, but I didn't think they'd be good at remixing. Plus they're very different from KW. > Has anyone heard their Blue Monday Remix? Nope, but I'm attempting to find another Hardfloor album. Maybe I'll get lucky and find the one with that on it. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) time to stop! Date: 16 Sep 1997 20:26:10 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 bs.lovepac@nolato.se wrote: > Is it not the time to stop this remixed-by-blah-blah-thread? Certainly not. It's a small thread, an interesting one and it's not like we have much else to talk about. You don't have to read it if you don't want to. I for one think it's one of the more interesting threads in the last few months. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philipp_Schmidt@bmge.com Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Date: 16 Sep 1997 18:12:01 -0400 Adam Schefflan wrote: > > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. > Nice thought !!! My favourites: Carl Craig Howie B. Roni Size Franckie Knuckles Philipp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Album Price Date: 16 Sep 1997 20:17:49 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Adam Schefflan wrote: > >>> When I listen to stuff like "Selected Ambient Works (I and II)" by > Aphex Twin, > I sometimes think this could be a glimpse of future music. <<< > > I couldn't agree more! There's something about the kid's music that gives > it so much more than the average pop-oriented electronic music. I truly > think AT's the only real successor to Kraftwerk's legacy, and not only I don't understand this. Yes, Aphex is good. Yes, Aphex is different. But I don't see the connection. He doesn't seem to be KW-influenced at all from what I've heard. If you're saying that because Aphex made up his own unique direction to follow, then I guess I could agree. > revolution, and we're witnessing the first glimpses of what music might > sound like 50 years from now. I think it's totally impossible to predict what music will be like even 15 years from now, let alone 50. If you could travel back in time to the era of Tone Float and play some Aphex, Namlook and Hardfloor to R&F, what do you think they'd say? > Pete Namlook remixing KW? Hmm, I always thought of him as a composer and > sound designer, not a remixer, but it definitely sounds intriguing! He is, but he's produced some music evocative of KW. Most notably "Machine Atoms" on his album "Atom". /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco DuBose Subject: (kw) Music 30 years from now... Date: 16 Sep 1997 22:54:44 -0600 oliver wrote: >on the other hand, I can not imagine how music will sound >in 30 years. In 30 years we'll be going through a techno/rave nostalgia fad! Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Date: 16 Sep 1997 21:17:09 +0100 > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. i'd like to hear interpretations of Kraftwerk music from Michael Nyman, or Philip Glass. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: (kw) re:re:re:re:re:re:remix Date: 14 Sep 1997 09:12:09 +0200 I'd love Klaus Wunderlich doing KW-mixing... "sound lobotomy, for you and me..." -- ********************************************************************* * Anders Wilhelm * mailto:wilhelm@ts.umu.se or trafo@analogue.org * * Umea University * http://www.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm * * Sweden * http://wilhelm.ml.org/ * ********************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Past & future of music Date: 17 Sep 1997 09:01:20 +0100 Philipp_Schmidt@bmge.com wrote: > > Adam Schefflan wrote: > > > > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. > > > Nice thought !!! My favourites: > > Carl Craig... > Speaking of Carl Craig, did anyone notice how close his album "Landcruising" was from an album released by a german band named "Die Partei" (Tom Dokoupil + Walter Dahn) in 1981 ? I don't mean Craig copied them, I rather think it's pure coincidence. But it's quite funny to see how different times & places can give birth to similar music... And IMHO the above mentioned album of Die Partei was far much better than Computer World (but this is off-topic...) oliver wrote: >on the other hand, I can not imagine how music will sound >in 30 years. If you want to get idea of music in 30 years from now, imagine what kind of technology we'll have at that time. I always thought that technology shapes artforms, especially music. Samplers brough rap & techno. Those bands from the late 60s & early 70s used to play such lousy improvisations mainly because sync was unavailable (no MIDI time code, no SMPTE...). I KNOW ! SMPTE was already around, but still used by the film industry only. And YES, I KNOW : it was possible to sync different gear with trigger and clock signals, but nothing was normalized, and when it was getting too complex, it used to drive people nuts. Marco wrote : >In 30 years we'll be going through a techno/rave nostalgia fad! Or may be a ToneFloat nostalgia... ;-) jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Date: 17 Sep 1997 09:03:37 +0100 Jon Alsbury wrote: > > > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. > > i'd like to hear interpretations of Kraftwerk music from Michael Nyman, > or Philip Glass. > YES, an orchestral version of Metal on Metal by Philip Glass ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk remix Date: 17 Sep 1997 09:09:20 +0100 Jon Alsbury wrote: > > > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. It's funny, but I think nobody mentionned Jeff Mills... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tobi Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Date: 17 Sep 1997 09:49:14 +0100 > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. I bet Spooky (the duo from UK, *not* the DJ) could do a wicked remix of Trans Europa Express... (think of Metall auf Metall!) Peace, too. tobi@nofrontiere.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tobi Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Date: 17 Sep 1997 10:11:11 +0100 >> i'd like to hear interpretations of Kraftwerk music from Michael Nyman, >> or Philip Glass. >> > >YES, an orchestral version of Metal on Metal by Philip Glass ! YESus... and finally a dream house piano version by Robert Miles, hehe... Take that, esotericans! Honestly I think the Balanescu interpretations were already enough from that 'serious' corner. Rather Friedrich Gulda should do something with Kraftwerk's music, but unfortunately I don't know if he is still with us...? And what is with Andreas Dorau / Pyrolator / Der Plan? Probably not serious enough, although I still believe Ralf Huetter and Florian Schneider *do* have a lot more sense of humor than most of their fans... Do the (austrian) readers agree with me that Erdem Tunakan also has a gorgeous potential to do some Kraftwerk remix stuff? I once heard him at a Viennese club (the Flex) and he was heavy into some wicked electronic stuff... Regards, tobi@nofrontiere.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) re-re-remixes Date: 17 Sep 1997 10:13:22 +0100 Hello! Instead of remixes why not re-makes? Has anyone already suggested that Laibach could make some good=20 military-influensed march music from anything by KW? (As we all know their=20 interpretation of Beatles and Opus was something else!!) "Sympathy for the devil" by Rolling Stones and "Across the universe" by Bea= tles=20 are some of the best Laibach recordings!!!!!! =3DTRUE! /A. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) re-re-remixes Date: 17 Sep 1997 08:41:23 GMT wrote: >Instead of remixes why not re-makes? Because it's been done so many times. KW Re-mixes by Famous artists (not twatty bootleggers) are rarer. ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Date: 17 Sep 1997 08:41:13 GMT Tobi wrote: >I bet Spooky (the duo from UK, *not* the DJ) could do a wicked remix of >Trans Europa Express... (think of Metall auf Metall!) YEAH! that could be pretty good. Spooky have a way with unusual sounds, and are true innovators. ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oliver Subject: Re: (kw) re:re:re:re:re:re:remix Date: 17 Sep 1997 12:19:54 +0200 To include my 2 cents on that: The Residents reworked ( as I would call it) a lot of music in their strange secret career: They did the rolling stones, james brown, elvis and of course the great Hank Williams (IMO). i would like them to do some Kraftwerk reworks. Only problem could be, that they are focussed on american history of music. Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oliver Subject: (kw) Aphex Twin and Kraftwerk Date: 17 Sep 1997 12:20:00 +0200 Some of you replied on my message concering future music and Kraftwerk and Aphex Twin. No, I dont see any relations between those two. I expect synthetic music to have grown, without Kraftwerk too (come on, flame me for that). Aphex Twin, Polygon Window or however he calls himself now, has developed his own great sound, I dont like his new stuff, too hectic, in a way irretating and psychotic, but his old stuff is great to listen too. (I mean listening, not making a party and have it as muzak) Although I have written some months ago that Techno needed Kraftwerk, I expect a sound like techno would have grown without them too, maybe later, maybe it would sound slightly different. I think, for example, the 303 bassmachine would be used in the same way today, without Kraftwerk. The synths are availbale and their technology does imply, fiddling around with them, making strange sounds, modulatimg this and route this through effect processors. I dont believe, that all of this started, because Kraftwerk did this... Before you flame me to death, let me state one other thing too: The music of the seventies and eighties, in the way I grew up, would have been a lot poorer if Kraftwerk had not existed! regards to all Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Conny Fornbäck" Subject: (kw) RE-re-re-mix Date: 17 Sep 1997 12:06:11 +0200 > > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. Oh, I think Francois Kevorkian could do some nice things to Kraftwerk's work. Ideally I'd like to hear him do a remix of "Tour de France". And I'm sure William Orbit could turn the Mix-version of "Radioactivity" into a real killer! ;-) Conny F # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: (kw) A bit of Light Relief!! Date: 17 Sep 1997 10:33:02 GMT Okay Werkaholics, Here's some 'pro-electronic' jokes for your delectation:- Q: What's the difference between a drummer and a drum-box? A: You only have to punch things into a drum-box once. Q: What's the difference between a guitarist and a runaway train? A: Eventually, the train will stop. There was the guitarist who locked his keys in his car. He had to break the window to get his drummer out. Q: Why do bands have a bass player? A: To translate for the drummer. Q: How do you make a guitarist stop playing? A: Put a sheet of music in front of him. Q: What do you do when a drummer is knocking at your front door? A: Give him the money and take the pizza Q: What do a tornado, hurricane, and drum solo all have in common? A: You can see 'em coming, but there ain't a damn thing you can do about it. =46lames to the usual place...... ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: Re: (kw) New album Date: 17 Sep 1997 13:40:02 +0200 >of a collaborative project with Heino. Allusive to Heino and R&eatiF... check this http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/5991/guestb1.html See you! Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Aphex Twin and Kraftwerk Date: 17 Sep 1997 13:23:31 +0100 oliver wrote: > > mean listening, not making a party and have it as muzak) > Although I have written some months ago that Techno needed Kraftwerk, I > expect a sound like techno would have grown without them too, maybe > later, maybe it would sound slightly different. Agreed > I think, for example, the > 303 bassmachine would be used in the same way today, without Kraftwerk. > The synths are availbale and their technology does imply, fiddling around > with them, making strange sounds, modulatimg this and route this through > effect processors. I dont believe, that all of this started, because > Kraftwerk did this... Agreed > Before you flame me to death, let me state one other thing too: The >music > of the seventies and eighties, in the way I grew up, would have been a > lot poorer if Kraftwerk had not existed! > Ahem.... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) New album Date: 17 Sep 1997 07:54:35 +0500 On 17-Sep-97, Rafa wrote: >>of a collaborative project with Heino. >Allusive to Heino and R&F... check this >http://www.geocities.com/Hollyw