From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Can anyone help? Date: 01 Oct 1997 11:17:12 +0000 Does anyone have the correct web site address for Sister Ray records in Berwick Street London? Please let me know ASAP. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) again: meeting/treffen after show in karlsruhe ?! Date: 01 Oct 1997 12:36:31 +0200 hi, is anybody going to karlsruhe to see kraftwerk ? if so, let's meet for a drink afterwards. would be nice i guess ;) regards, andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH Information Design Schubertstraße 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harald Westphal Subject: Re: (kw) again: meeting/treffen after show in karlsruhe ?! Date: 01 Oct 1997 13:45:09 +0200 (CES) According to Andreas Schepers: > is anybody going to karlsruhe to see kraftwerk ? > if so, let's meet for a drink afterwards. There's a new club near the ZKM ("Temporaere Zone"). They have an "After Kraftwerk" party after the concert with DJs from the label "Source Records" (maybe you know Move D. or Vulva). How about this? T-Zone homepage: http://webblick.de/t-zone/ -- Harald Westphal *** eMail Harald.Westphal@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de -- "Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, programmier' die Zukunft mir." -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: olaf van Subject: Re: (kw) How 2 bootleg...? Date: 01 Oct 1997 14:16:40 +0200 (MET DST) > >>Has anybody good experiences in bootlegging a Kraftwerk-concert? I > >>would like to take photos at the Linz concert, > > tape the show, and keep a full-document forever? my advice, for what its > worth, is bag the pics and TAPE the damn thing.... Yeah,maybe you can sneak behind the stage and plug-in an audio-plug somewhere and make us all happy with a full-stereo-cd-quality-live-recording! ;) olaf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Photographing Kraftwerk Date: 01 Oct 1997 14:26:06 +0000 While we discuss photographing at Kraftwerk concerts: It would be great if somebody could make some screenshots from the new video scenes Kraftwerk are using - without a flash, if possible, as flash screenshots are usually not optimal. The new video scenes can be expected towards a) the end of "Autobahn" (last 4-5 minutes or so) b) the beginning of "Radioactivity" ("Sellafield 2"-intro) c) the beginning of "Trans Europe Express" (first 4-5 minutes) d) the beginning of "The Robots" (first 2-3 minutes) e) the beginning of "Musique non stop ("Boing Boom Tschak"-intro). Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Fortunato & Montresor: "Imagine" Date: 01 Oct 1997 14:26:06 +0000 The following is quoted from a recent Elektrolux press release. Klaus Zaepke =========================================== ELEKTROLUX RECORDS [New Release] [Fortunato & Montresor - Imagine] We at Elektrolux are extremely proud of having signed Fortunato & Montresor. Garnished with a sexy vocal hook, Fortunato & Montresors "Imagine" received enthusiastic responses of all people that we played the tune to. No wonder: The two Dusseldorf-based producers masterminding Fortunato & Montresor are having their studios in the same house as Kraftwerk. It only seemed logical that the nearness to the source of electronic popmusic would get perpetuated in a remix on the CD-versoin of "Can you imagine". For the "Robot Mix", one line of the legendare Kraftwerk tune "Pocket Calculator" was used. Naturally, Kraftwerk really enjoyed the track and cleared the sample right away, which means that Fortunato & Montresor could be regarded as the first producers to use a cleared Kraftwerk sample in one of their tracks. A true classic!! [cat. nr.: E 10000 CD] [format: 5" CD, 12" MaxiSingle] [release: 29/09/97] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) New album rumour Date: 01 Oct 1997 14:26:05 +0000 Apparently it was recently reported on Spanish radio that Kraftwerk have now *started* to work on their new album. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve" Subject: Re: (kw) Can anyone help? Date: 01 Oct 1997 07:56:24 -0500 Craig Wrote.. > Does anyone have the correct web site address for Sister Ray records > in Berwick Street London? > > Please let me know ASAP. Here it is: http://www.camdenmarket.com/point4?ac=000001109351735&rtmo=aWahaT9J&atmo=aWa haT9J&pg=/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: AW: (kw) again: meeting/treffen after show in karlsruhe ?! Date: 01 Oct 1997 15:59:34 +0200 heya, this sounds good to me. i would like to go there for a moment befrore driving back home. who will be there too? - as ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH Information Design Schubertstraße 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Harald Westphal [SMTP:unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 1. Oktober 1997 13:45 An: kraftwerk@xmission.com Betreff: Re: (kw) again: meeting/treffen after show in karlsruhe ?! According to Andreas Schepers: > is anybody going to karlsruhe to see kraftwerk ? > if so, let's meet for a drink afterwards. There's a new club near the ZKM ("Temporaere Zone"). They have an "After Kraftwerk" party after the concert with DJs from the label "Source Records" (maybe you know Move D. or Vulva). How about this? T-Zone homepage: http://webblick.de/t-zone/ -- Harald Westphal *** eMail Harald.Westphal@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de -- "Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, programmier' die Zukunft mir." -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: (kw) Forwarded: Luton Hoo for Sale! Date: 01 Oct 1997 19:54:49 +0200 On 30.09.97 at 23:58, nick wrote to me:=20 >=20 >Hi Joe,=20 >I have just heared from a friend in London that the Luton Hoo house=20 is up=20 >for SALE...for the giveaway price of three million Quid.=20 >=20 >Does that mean there will no longer be any Kraftwerk Tribal=20 >Gatherings there???=20 >=20 >Cheers,=20 > Nick=20 > /-/ =20 > / / =20 > )-/O/=20 > g(-: / /=20 >this mail was from: /|\ /_/ =20 =20 =20 =B0 Regards=20 =B0 Josef=20 =20 - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Barnard Subject: (kw) Autobahn Pic Disc Date: 01 Oct 1997 16:18:35 +0100 > KRAFTWERK AUTOBAHN PICTURE DISC LP (UK) 6/9/0279 [$35] $31.49 > MEXICAN. AVAILABLE AT THIS PRICE FOR A LIMITED TIME ONLY >go to Sister Ray in Berwick Street, London, and get it for a lot less UK >folks. Anyone interested their Web site is at http://www.camdenmarket.com/point4?ac=000001109351735&rtmo=aWahaT9J&atmo= aWahaT9J&pg=/index.html The Autobahn Pic Disc is currently out of stock but they are ordering further supplies. Price L20 (GB Pounds) (Thanks Craig!). Phone 0171 287 8385 to order bt Credit Card. Address is 84 Berwick Street, Soho, London W1V 3PP David # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) P. S: Fortunato & Montresor: "Imagine" Date: 01 Oct 1997 19:54:32 +0000 More info about the "Imagine" single is available at http://www.elektrolux.com/releas16-20.htm#e10000 Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) again: meeting/treffen after show in karlsruhe ?! Date: 01 Oct 1997 21:25:46 +0100 Andreas Schepers wrote: > > hi, > > is anybody going to karlsruhe to see kraftwerk ? > if so, let's meet for a drink afterwards. > > would be nice i guess ;) > I for one would prefer an ice cream... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Unused tickets Date: 01 Oct 1997 21:32:05 +0100 I'm still cleaning my old place, and guess what : today, I found 2 tickets of the KW Paris gig of Nov 11, 1991. I remember I could not attend that gig, but I didn't remember buying any ticket... So it means that those tickets haven't been used. Any suggestion about what I could do with them ? May be sell them to someone looking for a ticket to the Karlruhe gig ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philipp_Schmidt@bmgmusic.com Subject: (kw) cheaper Date: 01 Oct 1997 16:09:29 -0400 > KRAFTWERK AUTOBAHN PICTURE DISC LP (UK) 6/9/0279 [$35] $31.49 > MEXICAN. AVAILABLE AT THIS PRICE FOR A LIMITED TIME ONLY >go to Sister Ray in Berwick Street, London, and get it for a lot less UK >folks. Or get it at Virgin Megastores for 24.99 in the US. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nextcube@smtp.ix.netcom.com Subject: (kw) Luton Hoo konzert CD: got a copy I can borrow? Date: 01 Oct 1997 16:53:55 -0400 tag! If anyone can let me borrow their Luton Hoo konzert 2CD set so I can burn a copy, I will give them a copy of Nexus's Olympic CD for free... I pay all postage.... USA prefered please.... I'm in Michigan. (I'm sorry, but $50 for a boot that costs less then $3 a CD to burn is a bit of a ripoff, especially when Nexus's sold his for $10 and that was probably at a loss since it came from France....) thanks! Tschuess! Gary ________________________________________________________________ nextcube@ix.netcom.com NeXTmail/LipService is prefered Founder: The NeXTstep for Intel Processors HomeBrew Mailing List Owner: Network with a NeXT '040 Cube #4173 running NeXTstep v3.3 and a Intel i486dx2-66 running NeXTstep for Intel v3.3 _________________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Bootleg and Hotel Tips Date: 01 Oct 1997 19:13:29 -0400 Hi all Here is my advice on bootlegging the upcoming gigs in Linz and Karlsruhe.= -Preparation is vital. Make test recordings at other concerts to get to perfect settings for your equipment. Get enough batteries and think hard = on where to put your recording or filming devices. The "strap it around your= balls" approach is definitely recommended by me, it worked perfect with m= y mini-disc recorder at Tribal Gathering. But bring more stuff along, you need to keep security men busy with a bag full of newspapers, magazines, wallets etc. The idea is, that they might have to check on everyone comin= g in and a bag is surely the first thing they will get their hands in. But once they checked the obvious bag they will let you through, since quiet = a lot of people are lined up waiting behind you by now. If you just come in= a T-shirt and your recording and filming devices strapped around your balls= (hopefully hidden behind some clothing of course!!) you can be SURE that they will tap your legs and this might get quiet unconfortable, to say th= e least! = BTW, anybody knows what happens if they find your devices? Where do they put it and how do you get it back after the concert? -Recording. At TG I put the microphone through a hole in my baseball ha= t, so I was able to move freely and get no moving noises. Plus the sound should be pretty good since there should be not much distraction from nearby bodies. This might work with one of this small video recorders as well, if you wear a fairly big hat with a hole in it, you could record i= t pretty easily (well, you might get a headache...but that is a small price= to pay...isnt it?). Or if there is a second floor with a balcony you coul= d put your video on the balcony railing an just hit the record button -----= the easiest way. I and a friend of mine will bring both our MD-recorders....anybody trying= it with a video camera`??? By the way, a friend of mine told me that the guys from Orbital were see= n at TG filming the Kraftwerk Gig...anybody has seen this??? PS I will be staying with 4 friends of mine at the quiet luxurious Queen= s Hotel in Karlsruhe. They have a special weekend rate for just DEM 120. Normally you would pay double. It is supposed to be near the Bahnhof. It = is still available. You should be able to book it via www.travelocity.com = or e-mail me for Tel Nr if interested. The possible Hotel of Kraftwerk is t= he Renaissance, I think it is the best hotel in Town and it is not much more= expensive, I think it was ca. DEM 150...try your luck and have breakfast with Ralf and Florian! = Regards = Roland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tiger Moses Subject: (kw) Olympic CD Date: 01 Oct 1997 23:43:30 -0500 I successfully burned mine....So I know my system is ok (first audio cd with this hardware setup) Anyone wanting one send funds to Tiger Moses 3910 Monteith Spring, TX 77373 anyone who wants to cover their own postage and also mail blank CDR and envelope...I'll burn it for ya! $15 for US/Canada $20 us funds for all other countries Tiger Moses also tigster@geocities.com homepage www.blkbox.com/~tmoses/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) A moment of silence, please.... Date: 02 Oct 1997 01:38:11 -0400 This week a terrible tragedy rocked the music world... The legendary songwriter/producer/composer Larry Heard announced his permanent retirement from music--this time for real. He sold all of his equipment and got a 9-to-5 as a computer programmer because of the need for "steady work," in his words. Larry Heard brought uncanny depth and emotional content into electronic dance music (among other things musical). Hopefully, one day, he'll return to the studio, and continue his work. A true genius. He will be sorely missed. For more info, check this week's "Billboard" magazine. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in the news..... Date: 01 Oct 1997 18:06:33 +0200 (MEST) Hi! Kraftwerk is mentioned two times in the Austrian news the past few days: In the "Oberoesterreichische Nachrichten": Small Article about the "Musik-Mosaik DJ Culture-Festival" which Kraftwerk will headlinie here in Linz. Greyscale Photo of the Robots...... In this months edition of Austrian Spare Time Magazine "was ist los": Bigger Article about the "Musik Mosaik DJ Culture Festival". Photo of the robots. 15 days to come........... 12345678 Greetings from Austria zilli ************************************** Alexander Peter Zillner - EDV Beratung Schussweg 8, A-4210 Unterweitersdorf +43-664-2114805, alpezi@zilli.priv.at ************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "A. D. Alvarez" Subject: (kw) Second Yamo single... Date: 02 Oct 1997 02:21:27 -0400 Does anyone know if the second Yamo single came out? (If not, when is it going to?) Cheers! Aldo -- Aldo Alvarez Editor Blithe House Quarterly: a site for gay short fiction Fall 1997 issue now available URL: http://www.spectra.net/~aalvarez/BHQ.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: Re: (kw) New album rumour Date: 02 Oct 1997 08:31:43 +0200 >Apparently it was recently reported on Spanish radio that Kraftwerk >have now *started* to work on their new album. Yes, Klaus but a friend from an important radio station in Spain (he has contacts with people of music industry) said me that the album is yet finished but the EMI people are very sceptical about the quality of the new material... ...This is remember me to the history of "unreleased" album TECHNOPOP. :-( But ONLY are rumours and more rumours... Ragards Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: (kw) Please Date: 02 Oct 1997 08:35:29 +0200 Please, can anybody who has got the complete new song make a mp3 file and post for all us? Please. Thanks in advance Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Forwarded: Luton Hoo for Sale! Date: 02 Oct 1997 09:43:00 +0000 Well I haven't heard of the house being up for sale, bit I know that the owners have been known to be short of cash in the past. A friend of mine has a very rare piano which he purchased from the house a few years back, I understand that it is quite valuable now! Just a short piece of trivia. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) A moment of silence, please.... Date: 02 Oct 1997 09:59:21 +0000 Peace and respect to Larry, even though he has followed the likes of Chip E! Lets hope Juan Atkins and Derrick May keep up the good work....... Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Barnard Subject: FW: (kw) Forwarded: Luton Hoo for Sale! Date: 02 Oct 1997 10:08:25 +0100 >---------- >>From: Craig Land[SMTP:cland@acl.memec.com] >>Sent: 02 October 1997 10:43 >>To: josefgabler@magnet.at; kraftwerk@xmission.com >>Subject: Re: (kw) Forwarded: Luton Hoo for Sale! > > >>Well I haven't heard of the house being up for sale, bit I know that >>the owners have been known to be short of cash in the past. A friend >>of mine has a very rare piano which he purchased from the house a few >>years back, I understand that it is quite valuable now! > >>Just a short piece of trivia. > > >>Best Regards, > >>Craig. > > >The house was featured on the regional news "LookEast" TV programme >about a month ago as being for sale and the price was twenty million!! >Apparently it may become a HQ for a large mult-national company. No >more Tribal Gathering there I guess. > >David > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream Subject: (kw) Tour De France Date: 02 Oct 1997 14:45:11 -0400 Will someone please help me find Tour De France either on vinyl, cd or tape. Thnx My Email tadream@the-wire.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tiger Moses Subject: (kw) Need an image Date: 02 Oct 1997 13:58:26 -0500 Once upon a time a guy named Mike (if I remember right) spent around 4 hours creating the cover of a Kraftwerk album on his amiga. He then sent me a copy. Life was good. I had a major system crash and have since then lost that image. Life is bad. Whoever you are, can you send me that image again. Life will be good! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlie Crash" <303@iname.com> Subject: SV: (kw) Please Date: 03 Oct 1997 02:17:50 +0200 =AE0|=E1=D1=F0 =86b=AD 303@iname.com T=87=E9 =D9|=86=A1m=E0t=EB =D0=E2=F1= =E7=EAm=AA=A9h=A1=F1=CB=99 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/6157/ >=20 > Please, can anybody who has got the complete new song make a mp3 file > and post for all us? Please. >=20 Yes, me too - or slam it up on their ftp!!! I have serious trouble waiting to hear the whole lot! ///CC # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: Re: (kw) Please Date: 03 Oct 1997 07:41:25 +0100 At 08:35 AM 10/2/97 +0200, you wrote: > > Please, can anybody who has got the complete new song make a mp3 file >and post for all us? Please. > This weekend should be no problem to put it up - ftp adress please? Laterz, Statik. -- Whoepsie-daisie, flevonet (my provider) still online! "Let's not make the same mistake once..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) Original or fake? Date: 03 Oct 1997 05:16:48 +0200 Hello!=20 =20 At "www.camdenmarket.com" you can buy "Kraftwerk", "Kraftwerk 2" =20 and "Ralf & Florian" on vinyl LP.=20 =20 I already got these vinyl albums, and I bought them believing that they=20 were original in a second hand record shop. Since they look brand new I=20 am a bit suspicius that they are brand new!=20 =20 How can you tell the difference between the original copies and the new=20 fakes?=20 Do they look excactely the same? ( I cannot compare different versions )=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 www.student.gu.se/~maka0067 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) New album rumour Date: 01 Oct 1997 23:35:29 -0700 > ...This is remember me to the history of "unreleased" album TECHNOPOP. :-( Could anyone of you shortly summarize what has happend ? (I know that the album has been canceled - but what was the timeline ? Has the album been annouced ? Has there been an date ? etc...) regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: (kw) Tourdates Date: 03 Oct 1997 22:56:11 +0200 A few people already have responsed on my request to review my list of Tourdates. However my list still needs a lot of additions and corrections! So please take some time and review it and respond! I am allways trying to speel all venus correct therefore I need the local people to correct them. Thank all. Also: If anyone experiences problems in viewing the pages (since I designed them for a 1024x768 res. screen ) please notify me why and perhaps what to improve!. I am experiementing in table column wifth sizing to be able to display it one different resolution however my knowledge of HTML is growing and not perfect) greetings, Twingo / / Twingo, the Netherlands ----/---/---- Homepage: http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo / / Kraftwerkpage: http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwer/kraftwerk.html / / E-mail: twingo@xs4all.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: (kw) Tourdates Date: 03 Oct 1997 22:57:19 +0200 A few people already have responsed on my request to review my list of Tourdates. However my list still needs a lot of additions and corrections! So please take some time and review it and respond! I am allways trying to speel all venus correct therefore I need the local people to correct them. Thank all. Also: If anyone experiences problems in viewing the pages (since I designed them for a 1024x768 res. screen ) please notify me why and perhaps what to improve!. I am experiementing in table column wifth sizing to be able to display it one different resolution however my knowledge of HTML is growing and not perfect) greetings, Twingo / / Twingo, the Netherlands ----/---/---- Homepage: http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo / / Kraftwerkpage: http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk/kraftwerk.html / / E-mail: twingo@xs4all.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Le-Shanna Tova! Date: 03 Oct 1997 18:43:09 -0400 Happy new year, y'all! Now back to Kraftwerk. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: Re: (kw) Photographing Kraftwerk Date: 05 Oct 1997 17:04:36 +0200 Klaus Zaepke wrote: >While we discuss photographing at Kraftwerk concerts: >It would be great if somebody could make some screenshots from the new >video scenes Kraftwerk are using - without a flash, if possible,as >flash screenshots are usually not optimal. >The new video scenes can be expected towards >a) the end of "Autobahn" (last 4-5 minutes or so) >b) the beginning of "Radioactivity" ("Sellafield 2"-intro) >c) the beginning of "Trans Europe Express" (first 4-5 minutes) >d) the beginning of "The Robots" (first 2-3 minutes) >e) the beginning of "Musique non stop ("Boing Boom Tschak"-intro). Aehm...if you tell me how to smuggle my mirror-reflex camera together with the 300mm-Zoom into the concert hall :-)...I would try my best. The result should be satisfactory. Photographing with my compact camera, the pics of the videos would be too small. Any idea? Georgie _______________________________________________________ "Es wird immer weiter geh'n, Musik als Tr=E4ger von Ideen..." Kraftwerk...16.10. Linz, Posthof...18.10 Karlsruhe, ZKM --=20 ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk videos on MTV Date: 05 Oct 1997 17:12:33 +0200 Has anybody seen the three Kraftwerk-videos on MTV a few days ago? A girl-friend of mine told me, they showed "Das Modell", "Musique Non Stop" and "Autobahn". She told me, that the video of "Autobahn" was the same shown at the concerts (not the stupid comic-version). Georgie _______________________________________________________ "Es wird immer weiter geh'n, Musik als Tr=E4ger von Ideen..." Kraftwerk...16.10. Linz, Posthof...18.10 Karlsruhe, ZKM --=20 ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Linz sold out? Date: 05 Oct 1997 17:18:04 +0200 Kraftwerk has been removed from http://www.ticketworld.de. Maybe I call "Posthof" toworrow to find out. Georgie _______________________________________________________ "Es wird immer weiter geh'n, Musik als Tr=E4ger von Ideen..." Kraftwerk...16.10. Linz, Posthof...18.10 Karlsruhe, ZKM --=20 ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) New KW single?!! Date: 05 Oct 1997 16:43:15 -0700 -!!!!- Red Alert -!!!!- Red Alert -!!!!- *WhooOOP-WhooOOP* Did I hear right? Somebody on alt.startrek.borg responded to one of my posts -(some stupid thread about 7 of 9 being gay. So what if she is? Who cares?)- and, seeing my signature, he "ps"ed: "The new KRAFTWERK single is COOL!" -(????)- Does he mean the sound-clip on the Net, or IS there a new single just released? Wishful thinking, I suppose. I couldn't reach the guy to ask what he meant. Hello? ....'Ello? ....'llo? ....'lo? ....'o? [ECHO-ECHO] Jeez, it's too quiet in here. Where IS everybody? On their merry way to Linz/Karlsruhe, no doubt. You lucky stiffs!*GRRRR*! Go-wannnn, ALL o'yez!*mph-mumble-gripe*! [The Green-Eyed Monster rears it's ugly head and belches fire & smoke.] !!*RRRROOOAAARRRRRR*!! *pFFt* Rats. Anybody got a match? I feel like setting fire to SOMEthing.*ARGH*. >> FRUSTRATION << ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) New KW single?!! Date: 05 Oct 1997 19:56:32 -0600 (MDT) On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, ROBOT wrote: > COOL!" -(????)- Does he mean the sound-clip on the Net, or IS there a new > single just released? Wishful thinking, I suppose. I couldn't reach the guy > to ask what he meant. I wish you could contact him. Expiring minds want to know! > Jeez, it's too quiet in here. Where IS everybody? On their merry way to > Linz/Karlsruhe, no doubt. You lucky stiffs!*GRRRR*! Go-wannnn, ALL > o'yez!*mph-mumble-gripe*! [The Green-Eyed Monster rears it's ugly head and > belches fire & smoke.] !!*RRRROOOAAARRRRRR*!! Nobody here but those unlucky enough to not be able to go to the gig. :( /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alex Laney Subject: (kw) Post KW output - what's best Date: 05 Oct 1997 22:24:25 -0400 Of the output of former KW members, what is your favorite or what do you think is the best? I only have the green Electronic album which I didn't like much and the Mouse on Mars Iaora Tahiti. Which sounds pretty interesting. Both albums have former KW'ers but they are definitely guest type appearances. I am looking for the Yamo album and the newest Mouse on Mars, but it isn't too easy here in Ottawa, Canada... :-( Alex Laney # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EJRSemiGod@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk videos on MTV Date: 05 Oct 1997 23:05:19 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-10-05 10:19:30 EDT, you write: << Has anybody seen the three Kraftwerk-videos on MTV a few days ago? A girl-friend of mine told me, they showed "Das Modell", "Musique Non Stop" and "Autobahn". She told me, that the video of "Autobahn" was the same shown at the concerts (not the stupid comic-version). Georgie >> Is this a different MTV than the US version? because the only video I've ever seen (and taped) was "Pocket Calculator", and that was about a year ago! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "A. D. Alvarez" Subject: Re: (kw) Post KW output - what's best Date: 06 Oct 1997 00:45:50 -0400 <> "TV" off the Elektric Music album. -- Aldo Alvarez Editor Blithe House Quarterly: a site for gay short fiction Fall 1997 issue now available URL: http://www.spectra.net/~aalvarez/BHQ.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream Subject: (kw) (no subject) Date: 06 Oct 1997 02:44:56 -0400 Hi everyone! If interested, you can find these rarities at this address: http://www.totalrecall.de/artists/44.htm Kraftwerk CD The Man Machine >USA Kraftwerk 12"-Single Das Model > EMI Kraftwerk LP Radio-Activity (Fame) Kraftwerk 7"-Single Showroom Dummies Kraftwerk 12"-Single Showroom Dummies >UK EMI Kraftwerk 12"-Single Showroom Dummies (DPS) >UK'77 Capitol Kraftwerk 12"-Single Showroom Dummies (Red Cover) >UK Rotes "Treppen" Cover Kraftwerk LP The Man Machine >JAP Kraftwerk 12"-Single The Model >UK'81 Kraftwerk 12"-Single The Telephone Call (WOC1) >USA Kraftwerk 12"-Single Tour De France (TOC) >1-/2- French Version + Remix Kraftwerk Posters Computer Welt Kraftwerk Posters The Mix Elektric Music CD Esperanto # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gekn@ebifsol9.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerd Knochenhauer) Subject: (kw) New Songs Date: 06 Oct 1997 10:18:20 +0200 Hi everybody, I am quite new to this list and have been lurking around for a while. Now I am able to contribute to this list. In a local Magazine called "Klappe auf" there has been an interview with Prof. Klotz, the founder and man in charge of the ZKM. He said that Kraftwerk will be playing some new songs and that Florian Schneider has been offered a professorship at the Hochschule for Gestaltung (something of a university of modern arts). Greetings Gerd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) New Songs Date: 06 Oct 1997 13:20:39 +0000 > Hi everybody, > > I am quite new to this list and have > been lurking around for a while. > Now I am able to contribute to this > list. > In a local Magazine called > "Klappe auf" there has been an > interview with Prof. Klotz, > the founder and man in charge of the ZKM. > > He said that Kraftwerk will be playing some > new songs and that Florian Schneider has been > offered a professorship at the Hochschule > for Gestaltung (something of a university > of modern arts). > > Greetings > Gerd Oh, so it's professor Florian now is it?! Lets hope he can develop some new theories on the perpetual motion of recording artists and the release of their material!!!!!! Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: Sv: (kw) New Songs Date: 06 Oct 1997 14:23:58 +0100 >=2E=2E=2EFlorian Schneider has been >offered a professorship at the Hochschule >for Gestaltung (something of a university >of modern arts)=2E I hope this doesn=B4t mean he=B4s giving up the music # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) New Songs Date: 06 Oct 1997 09:15:08 -0700 > From: Gerd Knochenhauer > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) New Songs > Date: Monday, October 06, 1997 1:18 AM > > Florian Schneider has been offered a professorship at the Hochschule for > Gestaltung (something of a university of modern arts). *WOW* This is very interesting news! Maybe Herr Professor Schneider is not as "shy" and afraid of people as he would have us believe. Do those Students know how LUCKY they are? Maybe we can sneak in and sign up for his classes. -(Music theory? Electronic composition, perhaps? Whatever he's teaching, I'll TAKE it!)- More great news: KW will be playing some new songs at ZKM! Thank you for this juicy tid-bit, Gerd- Welcome to the KRAFTWERK Mail List! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Oehler Subject: (kw) Looking for early stuff on CD. Date: 06 Oct 1997 11:44:08 -0500 I too, am searching for early Werk, on CD. Primarily Autobahn but 1,2, and R&F would be groovy too, if they exist. I assume if they exist, they're bootlegs... Can anyone point me in the right direction? -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= For every action, there is a Jackson. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Looking for early stuff on CD. Date: 06 Oct 1997 16:00:04 +0200 wonko@itis.com,internet writes:=20 =20 >I too, am searching for early Werk, on CD. Primarily Autobahn but 1,2,=20 >and R&F would be groovy too, if they exist. I assume if they exist,=20 >they're bootlegs...=20 =20 Try www.camdenmarket.com =20 =20 Mats=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Arnaud de Bonald Subject: (kw) KW: anybody knows "LA Duesseldorf Date: 06 Oct 1997 19:13:40 +0200 Hi, In a Simple Minds interview, I heard about a german group called "LA Duesseldorf", not really sure of the name... It seems to be a KW stile music. Does anyone know this group? Arnaud de Bonald - Paris France Home page: http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald, Music: http://www.chez.com/ Net-Tamer V 1.10 - Test Drive # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Looking for early stuff on CD. Date: 06 Oct 1997 13:36:31 -0400 (EDT) >wonko@itis.com,internet writes: > >>I too, am searching for early Werk, on CD. Primarily Autobahn but 1,2, >>and R&F would be groovy too, if they exist. I assume if they exist, >>they're bootlegs... Yes, the bootlegs do indeed exist as many of us out here have already had them for some time now. You must've missed my Kraftwerk CD discography posting from last week. Here's a snippet from that post regarding KW's first few albums released on CD bootlegs: Tone Float Kraftwerk's pre-KW album from 1970, released under the band name Organisation. This CD is available as a bootleg only, and contains a bonus track titled "Vor Dem Blauen Bock" which is actually the KW piece also known as "Rueckstoss Gondolero", a piece recorded during the 6 month period in 1971 when the band consisted of only Florian, Michael Rother, & Klaus Dinger. Kraftwerk Kraftwerk's first album from 1970, released as a bootleg on CD by the Germanofon label. Aside from the Germanofon release, there was another bootleg CD of this album (DC 59 CD) that surfaced around 1994 which added a bonus track of "Ruckzuck" recorded live in Cologne, '75. Kraftwerk 2 Kraftwerk's 2nd album from 1972, released as a bootleg on CD by the Germanofon label. Aside from the Germanofon release, there was another bootleg CD of this album (DC 59 CD) that surfaced around 1994 which added a bonus track of "Kometenmelodie" recorded live in Cologne, '75. Ralf & Florian Kraftwerk's 3rd album from 1973, released as a bootleg on CD by Germanofon, containing the wonderful musicomix insert from the original LP. Aside from the Germanofon release, there was another bootleg CD of this album (DC 60 CD) that surfaced around 1994 which reportedly had poorer sound quality than the Germanofon one and did not contain the musicomix insert. As Mats mentioned, you can try www.camdenmarket.com, a place in the UK that is stocking some of these titles. There are several other on-line CD stores on the web that are also carrying them (places like www.hotstuff.se in Sweden), so look into it and I'm sure you'll find. -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "Und wenn die Nacht anbricht ist diese Stadt aus Licht!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MCINTYRE@pa.msu.edu Subject: (kw) re: LA Duesseldorf Date: 06 Oct 1997 13:57:46 -0400 >From: Arnaud de Bonald >In a Simple Minds interview, I heard about a german group called >"LA Duesseldorf", not really sure of the name... LA Duesseldorf was the band formed by Klaus Dinger (drummer on the first Kraftwerk album) after he left Neu!. They put out three albums before disbanding. Recently Dinger has revived the franchise with a new album and the original three albums are all now available on CD. The sound is sorta in a Kraftwerk vein, but much simplier, sorta "bubblegum Krautrock". I suggest listening before purchasing. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (kw) New Songs Date: 06 Oct 1997 18:42:15 +0100 I >*WOW* >This is very interesting news! Maybe Herr Professor Schneider is not as >"shy" and afraid of people as he would have us believe. Do those Students >know how LUCKY they are? Maybe we can sneak in and sign up for his classes. >-(Music theory? Electronic composition, perhaps? Whatever he's teaching, >I'll TAKE it!)- More great news: KW will be playing some new songs at ZKM! >Thank you for this juicy tid-bit, Gerd- Welcome to the KRAFTWERK Mail List! Anyone whose seen Kraftwerk should know Florian is a bit of a show off, actually.. those funny frowns and gestures, the prancing to Pocket Calculator - (Did anybody seen him play air guitar with the calculator in Luton? - best thing I've seen all YEAR), and last but not least, that amazing dash during Music Non Stop when he thought no-one was looking.. he literally bolted off-stage... "Hey, where all the girls?" - Florian on tour, 1991. Also, ROBOT, sorry you haven't seen the boys.. I just wanted to share... See yas all, Mark xx -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Florian Schneider's university activities Date: 06 Oct 1997 20:19:22 +0200 (DFT) > > Florian Schneider has been offered a professorship at the Hochschule for > > Gestaltung (something of a university of modern arts). > > *WOW* > This is very interesting news! Especially since Florian Schneider doesn't have the formal qualification for becoming a professor at a German university. :-) AFAIK he doesn't even have a university degree. BTW: The saga goes that Schneider did a lecture on speech synthesis at Duesseldorf university back in 1982. Is anyone able to confirm this? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Multimediale 5 on TV Date: 06 Oct 1997 20:22:25 +0200 (DFT) The German/Austrian/Swiss TV channel 3-Sat will report live from the Multimediale 5 opening on Saturday, October 18th, 20:15 - 21:45 CET. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mars.sjoestrand@stockholm.mail.telia.com Subject: Re: (kw) Looking for early stuff on CD. Date: 06 Oct 1997 20:42:59 +0100 Eric Oehler wrote: >=20 > I too, am searching for early Werk, on CD. Primarily Autobahn but 1,2, > and R&F would be groovy too, if they exist. I assume if they exist, > they're bootlegs... >=20 > Can anyone point me in the right direction? Yes I ordered Ralf & Florian from hotstuff, http://www.hotstuff.se Got it after a week. M=E5ns Wenn Wellen schwingen - Ferne stimmen singen.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) FWD : kraftwerk synths?????? Date: 06 Oct 1997 23:46:57 +0100 Here are some excerpts of a discussion running on the AH list : (BTW, is it respective to the netiquette to forward stuff from one list to another, just like that ?) jbv ------ what where some of the synths used throughout the years by kraftwerk, im ecspecially interested in the polys they have used. and things they used on "the mix" tracks. ------ I believe by the time they got to "The Mix" they were using almost only their own hand made gear. Something you could never hope to reproduce. I know that early on before they built their stuff they used all your famous stuff like the memorymoog and arp's and all that. Ogre DieInWintr@aol.com ------- Actually - much of the gear these days is not probably not "home-made" but more likely digital/sampler based etc plus a lot of german/european gear like doepfer, quasimidi, and waldorf....I don't think they still use the Synclavier but it is possible......I've never heard of their use of a memorymoog - this is what they most likely did use: roland MC-8 (positive) minimoog (positive) arp odyssey (positive) polymoog (positive) EMS VSC3 - (speculative, but most likely) EMS Vocoder (speculative...) Sennheiser Vocoder (positive) Korg PS3300 (speculative) DX-7 (speculative, but most likely) Synclavier (positive) Fairlight (speculative) Prophet-5 (on CW tour maybe album...) Engineer-enhanced drums - metal to metal closed switch (wolfgang had considerably more pads than karl at his "station!) Vako Orchestron (positive) other small moogs like micro, multi etc (speculative) plus loads of other delays, flange, reverb, CV routing systems, mixers, extended MC-8 memories etc et etc..... ta! SRRecords@aol.com ------- In a video clip I saw of the band performing "Autobahn," Ralf was playing the bassline with his left hand on a Minimoog, while his right hand was playing some unidentifiable keyboard (Farfisa?). Florian played a white-faced Odyssey. >other small moogs like micro, multi etc (speculative) In a picture that was published in Mojo, Ralf is playing a synth that is either a Multimoog or Micromoog, as it has those distinctive endpieces. Unfortunately for analog trainspotters, the picture is from the side, so it is unclear which of the two synths it is. Sean Costello # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Florian im Schule Date: 06 Oct 1997 23:46:38 +0100 >...Florian Schneider has been >offered a professorship at the Hochschule >for Gestaltung (something of a university >of modern arts). Let's hope he will not become as pretentious and boring as Eno... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Gray" Subject: (kw) Help please!!! Date: 06 Oct 1997 21:35:38 +0100 Can anyone help me please....??? I have two requests.... 1) Which album (UK) is Tour de France on??? 2) What albums are missing from my collection??? I have... Tone Float Kraftwerk 1 Kraftwerk 2 Autobahn Radioactivity The Man Machine Trans Europe Express Computerworld Electric Cafe The Mix Many thanks in advance... Simon. P.S any new news on the new album...???? and does anyone have the new song in full in mp3 or ram format???? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) Looking for early stuff on CD. Date: 06 Oct 1997 20:11:26 -0400 (EDT) On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, Eric Oehler wrote: > I too, am searching for early Werk, on CD. Primarily Autobahn but 1,2, > and R&F would be groovy too, if they exist. I assume if they exist, > they're bootlegs... Assuming you're in the US, you can still get "Autobahn" as an import from Germany for about $20 USD. I've seen all of the others (including "Tone Float") as bootlegs for about the same price, on the Germanofon label. They're hard to find, but are around. John Morgan "On your way home tonight, someone may pass The University of Michigan you in the darkness - and you'll never jbmorgan@umich.edu know it! - for they will be from outer http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ space..." - Criswell, "Plan 9 including The Colin Wilson Page from Outer Space" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Help please!!! Date: 06 Oct 1997 21:50:30 -0400 >Can anyone help me please....??? >I have two requests.... > >1) Which album (UK) is Tour de France on??? It isn't. "Tour de France" was only released as a 7" and 12", and did not appear on any actual KW album. >2) What albums are missing from my collection??? I have... > > Tone Float > Kraftwerk 1 > Kraftwerk 2 > Autobahn > Radioactivity > The Man Machine > Trans Europe Express > Computerworld > Electric Cafe > The Mix The only one you're missing is 'Ralf & Florian' from 1973 which falls chronologically in between 'Kraftwerk 2' and 'Autobahn'. -- Scott nebulous@erols.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) Help please!!! Date: 07 Oct 1997 04:20:47 -0400 (EDT) On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > It isn't. "Tour de France" was only released as a 7" and 12", and > did not appear on any actual KW album. Wasn't it released as part of a compilation album called "DJ's Best" or something like that? How good is this piece, anyway? John Morgan "On your way home tonight, someone may pass The University of Michigan you in the darkness - and you'll never jbmorgan@umich.edu know it! - for they will be from outer http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ space..." - Criswell, "Plan 9 including The Colin Wilson Page from Outer Space" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: (kw) "Ultra Rare Tracks" Date: 07 Oct 1997 04:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Can anyone tell me what is included on the KW bootleg CD "Ultra Rare Tracks"? Does it live up to its name? John Morgan "On your way home tonight, someone may pass The University of Michigan you in the darkness - and you'll never jbmorgan@umich.edu know it! - for they will be from outer http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ space..." - Criswell, "Plan 9 including The Colin Wilson Page from Outer Space" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Barnard Subject: (kw) Info required Date: 07 Oct 1997 09:52:49 +0100 Please can someone give me some info on the LP "Exceller 8" which I have seen advertised. Apparently K/W released it on Vertigo in 1975. Cheers David # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tobi Subject: Re: (kw) Help please!!! Date: 07 Oct 1997 11:05:33 +0100 > "John B. Morgan" wrote: > Wasn't it released as part of a compilation album called "DJ's Best" or > something like that? Right, there is a quite bad recorded version (somehow damped as if recorded from a heavily used tape) on the sampler you mentioned. It was released by the german city / lifestyle magazine "Prinz" and as far as I remember it also includes tracks of George Kranz (Trommeltanz / Din daa daa), Snap (The Power), Unknown Cases (Masimba bele), Georgie Red (If I say stop then stop), Ledernacken (Amok) and and and... They are all german dancefloor productions and most of them are ugly (even the Toten Hosen are there with "Hip hop bommi bop"...). In the liner notes someone (probably Michael Reinboth, but I only suggest) is very proud about being the first label that released a sampler containing a Kraftwerk track. Who knows what tricks they played to get that lo-fi version from Kling-Klang. -bi Nofrontiere Design GmbH Zinckgasse 20-22 A-1150 Vienna Austria t +43-1-9855750 f +43-1-98557503 tobi@nofrontiere.com http://www.nofrontiere.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Helvard Subject: (kw) Fleamarkets Date: 07 Oct 1997 11:16:20 +0100 Fleamarkets can be a good place to find old Kraftwerk-records. A friend of mine got 'Tour de France' on 12" for something like 2-3=A3.=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "klaus olsen" Subject: (kw) Re: New album rumour Date: 07 Oct 1997 02:29:39 PDT I find the idea that EMI Records has a say in deciding whether new kw material is good enough for release or not quite interesting. It has always been under the impression that kw was in a position of complete artistic control of their work. That they deliver the finished product, mastertape and artwork, to EMI who simply handle the actual manufacturing and distribution of the records. Or maybe I´m wrong? Klaus ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Fleamarkets Date: 07 Oct 1997 10:48:05 +0000 Try also car boot sales. With the belief among the populous that vinyl is dead, many people pack their cars full of their unwanted stuff, which includes vinyl and sell it at various car boot sales, usually on a Sunday through-out England. I picked up the Showroom Dummies 12 inch (the version with the Man Machine artwork) for 50 pence!! And the condition was and still is mint. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Helvard Subject: (kw) HI! Date: 07 Oct 1997 11:14:51 +0100 HI! My name is Thomas, and I live in a small town 20 km north of Copenhagen, Denmark. I've been a fan of Kraftwerk for many years but only recently found out about this whole mailing-list business. So I'm looking forward to being a subscriber for a long time! Someone asked about Autobahn on CD. In Denmark the CD is pretty common and I've seen it many times just lying around in record shops and so on...!! Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlie Crash" <303@iname.com> Subject: (kw) The new song...YES! I WANT IT! Date: 07 Oct 1997 14:57:39 +0200 I've heard so much about this freaking song now and I've still not seen anyone having it on their site (when I'm there, that is...), but I'm read= y to mail a zip-disk to anyone who has the entire song for a transfer - You'll get my latest single as payment for you effort. ...ready to blow... ///Charlie Crash =AE0|=E1=D1=F0 =86b=AD 303@iname.com T=87=E9 =D9|=86=A1m=E0t=EB =D0=E2=F1= =E7=EAm=AA=A9h=A1=F1=CB=99 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/6157/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Help please!!! Date: 07 Oct 1997 09:27:44 -0400 >> It isn't. "Tour de France" was only released as a 7" and 12", and >> did not appear on any actual KW album. >Wasn't it released as part of a compilation album called "DJ's Best" or >something like that? > >How good is this piece, anyway? Yes, it was released on a German CD compilation called "DJ's Best", but as far as being released on any actual Kraftwerk album goes, it was not. How good is this piece? Well, I suppose that's largely subject to opinion, but I for one love the song very much and it's safe to say that most KW fans do as well. To the best of my knowledge, Kraftwerk has been performing this song live in practically every live gig since '90, and two music videos had been made for it after the song first came out in '83. It's still regarded as one of KW's all-time classics. -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "Tour de France, Tour de France..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Info required Date: 07 Oct 1997 09:41:54 -0400 >Please can someone give me some info on the LP "Exceller 8" which I have >seen advertised. Apparently K/W released it on Vertigo in 1975. Hi David. Well, basically 'Exceller 8' is simply a compilation album which consists of the following 8 tracks taken from the first four KW albums (not counting 'Tone Float'): Ruckzuck Autobahn Tongebirge Kristallo Comet Melody 2 Klingklang Vom Himmel Hoch Stratovarius 'Exceller 8' was released in 1974, and is most commonly found on LP, although it was also released as a cassette and supposedly even an 8-track in some country. -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) "Ultra Rare Tracks" Date: 07 Oct 1997 09:41:56 -0400 >Can anyone tell me what is included on the KW bootleg CD "Ultra Rare >Tracks"? Does it live up to its name? Don't be misled by the title of this one. "Ultra Rare Trax" is simply a bootleg remix compilation on CD. What this means is that there are NO authentic Kraftwerk songs on this release, but rather a collection of various DJ remixes made using actual Kraftwerk songs. The track listing is as follows: Computer World (klick mix) Pocket Calculator (east meets west mix) Music - Non Stop (cut up mix) Trans Europe Express (t.e.e. mix) The Robots (program mix) Autobahn (peoples car mix) Europe Endless (open border mix) The Man-Machine (space mix) The Model (catbonic mix) Neon Lights (ton-up mix) Showroom Dummies (m.c.m.g. mix) I for one have never been a huge fan of DJ remixes, and all I've really heard about 'Ultra Rare Trax' is that it has excellent sound quality yet boring remixes. -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "Wir sind Schaufensterpuppen..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Florian im Schule Date: 07 Oct 1997 10:21:14 EDT On Mon, 06 Oct 1997 23:46:38 +0100 jbv writes: > > >Let's hope he will not become as pretentious and boring as Eno... pretentious maybe, but never boring.... tom w np: eno - the drop # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) It's Here at last...! Date: 07 Oct 1997 17:10:46 +0000 Well as promised we have finally completed our corporate web site, for all you KW fans out there, as I mentioned in an earlier mail, see if you can guess where the circuit board idea came from (no music komix i'm afraid!!). I even get a mention on our Quality page, wow is this my fifteen minutes of stardom?! Have fun and if any of you technical buffs have any comments or ideas you may want to make, do not hesitate to let me know. www.cascom.memec.com Simon, are you awake yet......! Cheers, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Post KW output - what's best Date: 07 Oct 1997 7:57:13 +0100 Of the output of former KW members, what is your favorite or what do you think is the best? I only have the green Electronic album which I didn't like much and the Mouse on Mars Iaora Tahiti. Which sounds pretty interesting. Both albums have former KW'ers but they are definitely guest type appearances. I am looking for the Yamo album and the newest Mouse on Mars, but it isn't too easy here in Ottawa, Canada... :-( Alex Laney I'd say that the swedish group "Mobile Homes" got a lot better with Karl Ba= rtos=20 on keyboards on the (mini) album "Meanwhile", Elektrik Music and Yamo is al= so=20 really good! But I dont have the first EM single "crosstalk" anyone have on= e=20 copy for sale? //Andreas Schuldt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Miguel Angel Esteban" Subject: (kw) WARNING!!!! URGENT!!! LOOK WHAT THEY TRY TO DO WITH US! Date: 07 Oct 1997 16:58:28 +0000 Look enclosed a forward with a message that has been received by teh most part (if not all) of the Jarre sites in the world. Seems they're trying to erase all the unofficial Jarre sites in the world. What do you thing? Be careful over there :-( Miguel. ---------- Start of Forward------------------- Date sent: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:03:43 +0000 Priority: normal You are so much fond of Jean-Michel JARRE that you propose his works in digital form on your Internet site. Do you know that the diffusion of artistic works is regulated at the international level ? (Berne Convention and WIPO Copyright Treaty). A recording of infringement concerning your site has been drawn up by an agent on oath of the APP, the European organization of software authors and information technology professionals (http://app.legalis.net/paris). Nevertheless you have the possibility either to send us the evidences of authorizations or to remove spontaneously the elements you are not the author of and those you have not obtained the necessary rights, within one week. We address the present piece of advice to you in accordance with the proxy you can consult on line http://www.iddn.org/jarre/ For lack of regularization within the allotted time we will be led to make use of the necessary legal proceedings and technical measures. Thank you to acknowledge receipt of this message. Daniel Duthil http://www.iddn.org/ ;-| wwWWww [o][o] ------------------------ooO--(__)--Ooo----------------------------------- Fairlight Jarre Newsletter. Fanzine by the Spanish J.M. Jarre Fanclub email : fairlight_jarre@arrakis.es web : http://www.arrakis.es/~maec Price per issue: 150 pesetas Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question, the answer is no. ========================================================================= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Olf Ranthiz Subject: Re: (kw) Bootleg and Hotel Tips Date: 07 Oct 1997 16:00:06 +0200 PS I will be staying with 4 friends of mine at the quiet luxurious Queen= s Hotel in Karlsruhe. They have a special weekend rate for just DEM 120. Normally you would pay double. It is supposed to be near the Bahnhof. I live next door to the Quenns Hotel(which is BTW 5 Minutes from the "Bahnhof", per pedes). We might meet befor the gig. It is also just a ten minutes footwalk to the ZKM, where the Concert takes place. -- take care tf ************************************************************* "Drinking and smoking are bad for the health" -Charles Bukowski # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) WARNING!!!! URGENT!!! LOOK WHAT THEY TRY TO DO WITH US! Date: 07 Oct 1997 11:25:56 -0700 > From: Miguel Angel Esteban > Subject: (kw) WARNING!!!! URGENT!!! LOOK WHAT THEY TRY TO DO WITH US! > Date: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 9:58 AM > Seems they're trying to erase all the unofficial Jarre sites in the > world. Bah. That's like when Paramount tried to close down all the STAR TREK WebSites. -(Copyrighted images & sounds, etc)- They did not succeed. Fellow TREKKIES raised a fuss and proved that they were not out to make any profit, and the Fans prevailed. The same goes for MusiK. Besides, considering the fact that Jarre played a special one-time performance on a radio broadcast -(10-15 years ago?)- and invited home listeners to record it freely, I seriously doubt that he personally would be upset about Fans sharing his lovely tunes. -(He then had one album of this performance pressed on swirly-colored vinyl and it was auctioned off- for charity, I think.)- As for Ralf & Florian, if they told us to knock it off, well, I'd cry a lot, but, I'd respect their wishes. -(*HeeHee* Just wait til I get my HomePage set up. No sounds, but, there'll be some silly drawings! I hope R&F have a sense of humor.)- Anyway, let's not panic.... yet. ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: WG29584@aol.com Subject: (kw) new member introduction Date: 07 Oct 1997 16:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Hello Kraftwerk fans. I have just joined the internet for the purpose of joining this Krasftwerk list which a good friend told me about. Unfortunately I am not very good at typing. This is the first message I've sent to this list and one of the first electrnic mails I have ever sent. I am a Kraftwerk fan for 16 years. Computer World did my heads in when it first came out. After this I bought Autoobahn, The Man Machine, Trans Europe Express, and later Electric Cafe and The Mix when they came out. This year I wanted to see Tribal Gathering but UI am a bit too old for this. I was told new material was played from the new album. Maybe list members kmnow when the new album is out?? Kindest Regards to all, 'Ferdy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) WARNING!!!! URGENT!!! LOOK WHAT THEY TRY TO DO WITH US! Date: 07 Oct 1997 16:26:29 EDT On Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:58:28 +0000 "Miguel Angel Esteban" writes: > >Look enclosed a forward with a message that has been received by teh >most part (if not all) of the Jarre sites in the world. Seems they're >trying to erase all the unofficial Jarre sites in the world. > > >What do you thing? > > >Be careful over there :-( > > >Miguel. > > >---------- Start of Forward------------------- > >From: duth@iddn.org >To: fairlight_jarre@arrakis.es >Date sent: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:03:43 +0000 >Subject: Respect of the copyright >Priority: normal > > > > >You are so much fond of Jean-Michel JARRE that you propose his >works in digital form on your Internet site. Do you know that >the diffusion of artistic works is regulated at the >international level ? (Berne Convention and WIPO Copyright >Treaty). A recording of infringement concerning your site has >been drawn up by an agent on oath of the APP, the European >organization of software authors and information technology >professionals (http://app.legalis.net/paris). > >Nevertheless you have the possibility either to send us the >evidences of authorizations or to remove spontaneously the >elements you are not the author of and those you have not >obtained the necessary rights, within one week. > >We address the present piece of advice to you in accordance with >the proxy you can consult on line http://www.iddn.org/jarre/ > >For lack of regularization within the allotted time we will be >led to make use of the necessary legal proceedings and technical >measures. > >Thank you to acknowledge receipt of this message. > >Daniel Duthil > >http://www.iddn.org/ >---------------------------------------- the exact same type of message was received by various members of the tangerine dream list...its beyond a shame....its an affront to every fan in the world...vampires i say...tom w np: lee '" scratch" perry - vampires # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) Olympic CD Date: 07 Oct 1997 23:23:30 +0000 > Subject: (kw) Olympic CD Can anyone explain what the famous Olympic CD is? Is it worth it? I just subscribed to the list when all the discussions about the CD were going on. Jose Garcia Aktivitaet Spain: aktivitat@arrakis.es Aktivitaet Online (Unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine) http://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/aktivitat.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) ADMINISTRIVIA: Admin Goes West (read) Date: 07 Oct 1997 17:42:49 -0600 (MDT) Just FYI: I will be (mostly) offline Friday 10/10 through Monday 10/13. This should only affect you if you are trying to do one of the following things: * Post a message to the list from an address other than you one you joined from * Leave the list from an address other than you one you joined from * Post a message to the list with excessive quoting of another message in it * Post a message to the list that looks like an administrative request * Post a message to the list with MIME or binary content In other words, if you post something over the weekend and it doesn't show up, it may have been caught by one of the junk filters on the list and would therefore be dealt with when I return on Tuesday. Please don't panic. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) WARNING!!!! URGENT!!! LOOK WHAT THEY TRY TO DO WITH US! Date: 08 Oct 1997 08:58:56 +0000 This must be the Jarre album that it is considered to be the rarest album in the world, 'Music for Supermarkets'. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: (kw) New on the list (again). Date: 08 Oct 1997 12:14:20 +0200 Hi everybody ! I'm back on the list. Not that I think that any of you remember me (how could you? I never posted anything the last time). Soon after I joind the list the guy who's in charge of the mailing system where I work = made a mess off everything and my adress ceased to exist for some months so = I was probably automaticly cut from the list. Anyway, now I back = (finally, phew) and my name is Eric and at this moment I live in Lund (Sweden = that is). After some moving around in Sweden and abroad I've ended up here with wife and family. By the way, it's a goooood place to end up in. My first contact with Kraftwerk was when I was in the army (at that = time you had to make time in the army in Sweden, if you didn=B4t want to, = you got thrown in jail. A true story). One morning I awoke to the tunes of Robots (couldn't think off a better place to hear it in) and I was = stuck for life?. By some bizare reason I can't get access to the Kraftwerk FAQ (The company I work for seems to prevent it) so maybe you nice persons on = the list could help me with some questions. What about Mobile Homes and Karl Bartos. What about Electronic and Karl Bartos. What does YAMO sound like. What is Mouse on Mars and how is it related to Kraftwerk. What's the latest about any new KW album (by the way, I listend to the clip from TG, the new song, and I really liked it). Are there any new members in KW or are they just two and firends. The only Bootie I have is called Machine (and I think it's quite good too). Any tips on any other booties that are worth chasing. (with good soundquality that is). If this already has been debated to the bone on the list, please don't hesitate to mail me in person.=20 Even though I have a fairly big record collection (to big if you ask my wife, so I don't) There are not that many bands that I find worth to have all the albums off but offcourse Kraftwerk (don't have all of them though... sniff, am missing the early ones). Other bands that allways have followed me in life is Yello, Joy Division, New Order, Visage, The Cure, Ultravox, Talking Heads, Prince and The Police. Nowadays I mostly buy techno, hip-hop, metall, dub, world music (don't you just hate that silly label, but you know what I mean) and if possible a combination of all of it. And not to forget, classical music, all genres. It's nice to be back. Se yall Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER STUDENT" Subject: (kw) Bootleg LP's KW1... Date: 08 Oct 1997 12:27:40 +0000 On the Bootleg LP's of Kraftwerk 1, 2 and R&F: You can tell it's a Bootleg if the Matrix number in the run-out groove does not correspond with the cataloge number on the sleeve. On original Philips pressings, it should always start with: 6305- for the german copies. (6305 058, -117 and -197, respectively). As the sleeve reproduction oft the bootlegs is excellent and the sound quality o.k., they are not such a rip-off. Buying the Germanofon CD's is certainly more sensible, though. Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Arnaud de Bonald Subject: Re: (kw) WARNING!!!! URGENT!!! LOOK WHAT THEY TRY TO DO WITH US! Date: 08 Oct 1997 19:12:15 +0200 On 1997-10-08 cland@acl.memec.com said: >This must be the Jarre album that it is considered to be the rarest >album in the world, 'Music for Supermarkets'. Is there a place on the Net with the story of this album? Never heard about it... Arnaud de Bonald - Paris France Home page: http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald Net-Tamer V 1.10 - Test Drive # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: WG29584@aol.com Subject: (kw) Where is new album?? Date: 08 Oct 1997 15:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Where is Kraftwerk new album? I ask becase I am new on this list - maybe this been discused already - but please what is the latest news. I heard earlier that the new album was due now? Has it been released in Germany? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Bootleg LP's KW1... Date: 08 Oct 1997 18:16:33 +0200 POECKER@pool.uni-mannheim.de,internet writes:=20 =20 >You can tell it's a Bootleg if the Matrix number in the run-out =20 >groove does not correspond with the cataloge number on the sleeve.=20 =20 Thanx, you made my day, I got the original ones but they look brand=20 new!! : ) =20 So what are the numbers on the fakes? -Strange that they have made a=20 perfect=20 bootleg but ignored that number!=20 =20 I bought my train tickets to Karlsruhe yesterday at Gothenburg central=20 station (Sweden) and a funny thing was that the man at the desk said=20 something like "It's plenty of money, but I guess a Kraftwerk concert=20 will be worth it" and I was really surprised and asked him how he could=20 possible know that I was going to see KW and he said something like=20 "Well, we have our sources...." Anyway, the truth was that a couple of=20 guys had bought train tickets just a couple of minutes before me and=20 were talking about the KW-concert they were going to..... : )=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 www.student.gu.se/~maka0067 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Where is new album?? Date: 08 Oct 1997 18:23:13 +0200 =20 >Where is Kraftwerk new album? I ask becase I am new on this list -=20 >maybe this=20 >been discused already - but please what is the latest news. I heard=20 >earlier=20 >that the new album was due now? Has it been released in Germany?=20 =20 Well, I bought it today in my local record store ! : )=20 (NO, NOT REALLY)=20 =20 The truth is that the record is delayed and nobody knows for sure when=20 it will be released.... : (=20 =20 Mats=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Bootleg LP's KW1... Date: 08 Oct 1997 13:03:56 -0700 > From: Mats Kadmark > To: POECKER@pool.uni-mannheim.de > Cc: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: Re: (kw) Bootleg LP's KW1... > Date: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 9:16 AM > > I bought my train tickets to Karlsruhe yesterday at Gothenburg central > station (Sweden) and a funny thing was that the man at the desk said > something like "It's plenty of money, but I guess a Kraftwerk concert > will be worth it" -(SNIP)- Wow! That's a KooL story! I guess the Ticket-Dude likes KRAFTWERK, eh? I wish I were so lucky....*sigh*.... why can't I ever see 'em in Konzert?*ARGH*! fuck poverty. I think I'll hijack a plane or something. I can't take it anymore. It's NOT FAIR!! NO FAIR-NO FAIR-NO FAIR!! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) David Holmes samples "The Telephone Call" on new album Date: 08 Oct 1997 15:29:10 -0400 Hi all On the new album "Lets get killed"by David Holmes you will spot the "Telephone Call"- sample "The number you have reached has been disconnected" after about 20 seconds into the track called "Radio 7". Quiet a good album, not only for the Kraftwerk sample.... Especially recommended listening for all ya New Yorkers on the list (muziknut etc...= ). Loads of crazy New York street talk sampled. Listen to "Freaknik" and you= know that the Continental Club is NOT a good place for moshing!! Regards = Roland = (10 days to Karlsruhe) "Kraftwerk owes us nothing - we own them everything" Muzik Magazine # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) David Holmes samples "The Telephone Call" on new album Date: 08 Oct 1997 20:44:33 -0400 >>> ...quite a good album, not only for the Kraftwerk sample.... Especially recommended listening for all ya New Yorkers on the list (MuzikNut, etc...). Loads of crazy New York street talk sampled. Listen to "Freaknik" and you know that the Continental Club is NOT a good place for moshing!! <<< Um, who is David Holmes???? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) David Holmes samples "The Telephone Call" on new album Date: 09 Oct 1997 09:18:09 +0000 The sample mentioned here is one that I cannot beleive for minute can be attributed as a KW sample, for they surely sampled the phrase, 'the number you have reached has been disconnected' from the telecommunications people?! Plus I have heard this before in many songs/backing music for programs etc. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: RE: (kw) Where is new album?? Date: 09 Oct 1997 11:21:44 +0200 > > Where is Kraftwerk new album? > >Has it been released in Germany? > > > >Actually, it's been released in Dusseldorf only. So how do one get it, is it possible at all ? Regrads Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: Re: (kw) Where is new album?? Date: 09 Oct 1997 11:58:17 +0200 > So how do one get it, is it possible at all ? Yes, phone to Kling Klang Studio, ask for Ralph (or Florian) and do your order. Only 25DM (air mail included). After this, you must send me a copy, ok? he, he, he, sorry it=B4s a joke! The jbv mail too. Only Kraftwerk fans humor! (best than cry for our looooooooong waiting) Regards ;-) Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: RE: (kw) Where is new album?? Date: 09 Oct 1997 11:56:41 +0200 > > So how do one get it, is it possible at all ? >=20 >Yes, phone to Kling Klang Studio, >ask for Ralph (or Florian) and do your order. >Only 25DM (air mail included). >After this, you must send me a copy, ok? >he, he, he, sorry it=B4s a joke! The jbv mail too. >Only Kraftwerk fans humor! (best than cry for our looooooooong waiting) AAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGG !!!!!! Well I really went for that one, didn't I. After beeing involved i KW for so long I really should have known better, but sometimes your desperation makes you loose your logic thinking. ;-) Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Barnard Subject: (kw) LP "TechnoPop" Date: 09 Oct 1997 11:01:27 +0100 Does anyone know if the LP "TechnoPop" actually exists? Presumably one or two copies managed to find their way out as I have seen an ad in a magazine where a dealer is willing to pay one thousand pounds for an acetate. Cheers David # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) Where is new album?? Date: 09 Oct 1997 12:30:49 +0200 Isn't it the truth that the record has not yet been annouced ? regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robert.k@daltekvision.se (Robert Krenn) Subject: (kw) YES, Karlsruhe next! Date: 09 Oct 1997 13:01:12 +0200 Jipiiiiiiiiiiii Just got hold of a ticket to the Kraftwerk concert in Karlsruhe! //Robert - See you all there! (If you are arranging some kind of meeting in Karlsruhe, please contact me too!) < ROBOT: I tell you how great it was aftwerwards ;^) > -- - Robert Krenn http://www.daltekvision.se - - tel 1: +46 (0)243 87858 tel 2: +46 (0)243 73504 - - mob: +46 (0)70 5718622 fax: +46 (0)243 85402 - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Miguel Angel Esteban" Subject: Re: (kw) More about Jarre Date: 09 Oct 1997 15:43:52 +0000 > Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2039 03:25:26 +0000 > From: jbv > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) More about Jarre > > Arnaud de Bonald wrote: > > > > On 1997-10-08 cland@acl.memec.com said: > > >This must be the Jarre album that it is considered to be the rarest > > >album in the world, 'Music for Supermarkets'. > > > > Is there a place on the Net with the story of this album? > > Never heard about it... > > > > I remember something in the late 70s about Jarre composing / playing / > producing a full album of original music, pressing ONLY ONE copy of it, > distroying the matrix and the master tapes, and selling the unique vinyl > copy > at an auction. Yes and nope. Jarre recorded a disc in 1983 named "Music for Supermarkets" limited to ONE copy. The copy was sold out in an auction and the matrix was destroyed. Anyway, a big part of this album is actually available in works as Zoolook (Diva -witthout Laurie Anderson-, Blah Blah cafe) or Rendez Vous (5th rendez Vous sequence). > Is this the same story ? I think that eys, cause Jarre did it once. > BTW, did I tell you about the day I interviewed Jarre in his own house ? Hehe... many people in the Jarre Mailing List are preparing his tomatos for next concert in Lille since we've realized that the web-banning order comes directly from him :-(. Look at: http://www.iddn.org/jarre/jarre_mission.htm and you'll see. For your information I've heard that webrestrictions (censure) only concerns to audio material (no audio+pictures as told yesterday). So since 2 days ago, mid's, mod's, mp3's, etc... with music by Jarre are completly banned in the net. Personally, I've removed the background music on my site (Oxygene12.mid) and I've replaced it with Popeye's music. Actually, some people is posting UUencoded Jarremidififes to the jarre.com guestbook. Hope never happens something like that in the Kraftwerk scene....... ;-| Miguel. wwWWww [o][o] ------------------------ooO--(__)--Ooo----------------------------------- Fairlight Jarre Newsletter. Fanzine by the Spanish J.M. Jarre Fanclub email : fairlight_jarre@arrakis.es web : http://www.arrakis.es/~maec Price per issue: 150 pesetas Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question, the answer is no. ========================================================================= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Morten Moen Subject: Re: (kw) Help please!!! Date: 09 Oct 1997 15:54:01 +0200 >1) Which album (UK) is Tour de France on??? "Technopop" This album was released some time before "Electric Caf=E9" but was cancelled shortly after. It is basically the same as EC but contains "Tour de France" and not "Electric Caf=E9" (as far as I can remember). I actually saw this album in London 1986, but after comparing the track-list with EC I bougth that one instead (had already bought TdF on 12"). And now the big question: Am I lying awake at night (11 years after) regretting this decision? Indeed I am. Do any of you Werkers out there actually have this album? Morten. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Withers Jerry PN SAP Subject: AW: (kw) Where is new album?? Date: 09 Oct 1997 16:38:55 +0200 > >Where is Kraftwerk new album? I ask becase I am new on this list - maybe this >been discused already - but please what is the latest news. I heard earlier >that the new album was due now? Has it been released in Germany? > I have been to many stores and have been asking around. Nothing yet. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Withers Jerry PN SAP Date: 09 Oct 1997 16:39:20 +0200 I am back on the list Jerry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gustav Holmberg" Subject: (kw) Ralf's cycling Date: 09 Oct 1997 13:23:31 +0000 In Bussy's book (I think) it is mentioned that there is an article in a cycling magazine about Ralf H=FCtter's cycling. Has anyone seen it? /Gustav =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Gustav Holmberg, Graduate Student, History of Science and Ideas, Lund University, Sweden. Gustav.Holmberg@kult.lu.se # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in austrian newspapers... Date: 09 Oct 1997 18:07:58 +0200 7 days left... An article about Kraftwerk's gig in Linz can be found in today's editon of the "Kronen Zeitung" (austrian most-read newspaper). It says that Kraftwerk are not planning to release a album with new material in the next time. You can also find a small article and an nice pic at http://www.krone.at/pop/. There's also an article in the actually "Club OE3-Magazin" and also in "Myway-Mailer". I just can say that I can't await the gig! "Meine Damen und Herren..." Georgie _______________________________________________________ "Es wird immer weiter geh'n, Musik als Tr=E4ger von Ideen..." Kraftwerk...16.10. Linz, Posthof...18.10 Karlsruhe, ZKM --=20 ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) P. S.: Multimediale 5 on TV Date: 09 Oct 1997 18:38:02 +0200 (DFT) > The German/Austrian/Swiss TV channel 3-Sat will report live from the > Multimediale 5 opening on Saturday, October 18th, 20:15 - 21:45 CET. More TV coverage from the Multimediale opening on German Suedwest 3, 18.10., 22:30 CET. Also, a preview will be shown on Suedwest 3, 16.10. 22:20 CET. (Kultur Suedwest Extra: "Zentrum fuer Kunst und Medientechnologie in Karlsruhe vor der Eroeffnung") Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Bootleg LP's KW1... Date: 09 Oct 1997 18:23:30 MET-2MED On 08-Okt-97 A.D., Mats Kadmark carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) Bootleg LP's KW1...": >"Well, we have our sources...." Anyway, the truth was that a couple of >guys had bought train tickets just a couple of minutes before me and >were talking about the KW-concert they were going to..... : ) Aaargh! If it only was me.... Are there more people from Gothenburg on this list except me, Mats and the guy at MacForum (sorry, don't remember your name)? I haven't seen the gig mentioned anywhere else than on this list. -- E m a n u e l M a i r _____________________________________ mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Further "Guiding Ray" delay Date: 09 Oct 1997 18:42:52 +0200 (DFT) The second Yamo single "Guiding Ray" is listed in this week's new releases schedule in Germany, but doesn't seem to be available in the shops yet. Catalogue numbers: Digipack CD single: Odeon/EMI Electrola 8 622 602 Maxi single: Odeon/EMI Electrola 8 846 696 Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream Subject: (kw) tour de france Date: 09 Oct 1997 13:07:57 -0400 hi Steven did you get my yesterday's message? let me know thnx adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in the news Date: 09 Oct 1997 17:59:53 +0200 (MEST) Hi! Kraftwerk is mentioned in todays edition of Austrian Newspaper "Die Kronen Zeitung". In the article we can read, what we all already know for quite a while: No new album! Also we can see a picture of our four heroes standing on the stairs. Thats the photo, which can be found on the "Man Machine" Album.... Please have also a look at: http://www.krone.at/pop Only one week till day X 12345678 one two Greetings from Austria zilli ************************************** Alexander Peter Zillner - EDV Beratung Schussweg 8, A-4210 Unterweitersdorf +43-664-2114805, alpezi@zilli.priv.at ************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Net Myths Date: 09 Oct 1997 19:14:44 +0200 (DFT) Okay, here we go again... > "Technopop" > This album was released some time before "Electric Caf=E9" No, it wasn't. In fact it was never released. > I actually saw this album in London 1986, If the album would have ever been available in London, the world would=20 know about it. > Do any of you Werkers out there actually have this album? I had a copy, but I just presented it to Elvis Presley, as a wedding gift for his secret marriage with Princess Diana last week. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: (kw) Mailing List Meeting Linz Date: 09 Oct 1997 18:17:11 +0200 (MEST) Hi! The Mailing List Meeting in Linz will take place at "Kult", the Restaurant located directly at the Posthof, and will start at 17.00 on 16th of October 1997, of course....... I will reserve one or more tables for the meeting. Please ask a waiter for "Kraftwerk Mailing List Meeting" Everyone is welcome. Greetings from Austria zilli ************************************** Alexander Peter Zillner - EDV Beratung Schussweg 8, A-4210 Unterweitersdorf +43-664-2114805, alpezi@zilli.priv.at ************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (kw) More about Jarre Date: 09 Oct 1997 17:40:59 +0100 Yes it is. The Lp had a special one-off sleeve of 7 polaroids - to be=20 completed on the day of auction with the owners picture to fill the=20 eight picture on the gatefold sleeve.=20 It only sold for about =A310,000 in an auction (proceeds to charity)which=20 is stupid considering Jarre wanted his label to bid for it so that it=20 could be released. It was also broadcast in full on radio in France once=20 in 1983 and he suggested his label record it and sell it from those=20 tapes but no-one at his label did. Someone must have bootleg tapes=20 somewhere... Frankly, utter fuckwits the lot of them for doing such a stupid thing..=20 why not donate all profits to Charity and release the album in the=20 standard way. This is the kind of upper-class artschool japery that=20 infruiates me...=20 Sorry, Rant Hutter Mark xx --=20 Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Mailing List Meeting Linz Date: 09 Oct 1997 18:46:10 +0200 alpezi@zilli.priv.at,internet writes:=20 =20 >The Mailing List Meeting in Linz will take place at "Kult", the=20 >Restaurant=20 >located directly at the Posthof, and will start at 17.00 on 16th of=20 >October 1997, of course.......=20 =20 So what about the meeting in KARLSRUHE ?=20 =20 It's not very much time left ! ! !=20 =20 Mats=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: WG29584@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk in the news Date: 09 Oct 1997 15:45:02 -0400 (EDT) >Kraftwerk is mentioned in todays edition of Austrian Newspaper "Die Kronen >Zeitung". In the article we can read, what we all already know for quite a >while: > >No new album! How do they knoqw this? Does the paper have a direct line to Kling-Klang?? This type of speculation sounds as reliable as the news of new album! I will wait and see - and keep praying. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: c.erz@ndh.net (Christian Erz) Subject: Re: (kw) again: meeting/treffen after show in karlsruhe ?! Date: 09 Oct 1997 19:38:30 GMT On Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:37:42 0600 JBV.SILENCES@wanadoo.fr wrote: >Re: (kw) again: meeting/treffen after show in karlsruhe ?! High ! I will go to this Performance act, too :-) I=B4m veeeeery happy to have a ticket for this performance event! Did you know that at 18:00 Uhr The ZKM has it=B4s first offical opnening? The entry will be free! You will see a couple of art installations; I guess the art-performers will be there, too. :-) CUL8R --- c.erz@ndh.net --- ... es wir immer weitergeh=B4n, Musik als Tr=E4ger von Ideen... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk in austrian newspapers... Date: 09 Oct 1997 21:51:29 +0000 Georg Jajus wrote: > > I just can say that I can't await the gig! "Meine Damen und Herren..." > > Georgie > Relax ! It's only four old guys jamming together and singing some tunes from the good old times... Nothing to worry about... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Mailing List Meeting Linz Date: 09 Oct 1997 21:55:07 +0000 Alexander Peter Zillner wrote: > > Hi! > > The Mailing List Meeting in Linz will take place at "Kult", the Restaurant > located directly at the Posthof, and will start at 17.00 on 16th of > October 1997, of course....... > I will reserve one or more tables for the meeting. Please ask a waiter for > "Kraftwerk Mailing List Meeting" > Everyone is welcome. > > Greetings from Austria > zilli > Fine. But once again : who will pay for the drinks ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: AW: (kw) again: meeting/treffen after show in karlsruhe ?! Date: 09 Oct 1997 22:00:25 +0200 hi all, well let's determin a meeting point after the performance to go for a drink! i woul prefer harald's proposition: the t-zone. what do you think ? who from the list will be coming anyway ?! regards, andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH Information Design Schubertstraße 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Christian Erz [SMTP:c.erz@ndh.net] Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 1997 21:39 An: kraftwerk@xmission.com Betreff: Re: (kw) again: meeting/treffen after show in karlsruhe ?! On Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:37:42 0600 JBV.SILENCES@wanadoo.fr wrote: >Re: (kw) again: meeting/treffen after show in karlsruhe ?! High ! I will go to this Performance act, too :-) I´m veeeeery happy to have a ticket for this performance event! Did you know that at 18:00 Uhr The ZKM has it´s first offical opnening? The entry will be free! You will see a couple of art installations; I guess the art-performers will be there, too. :-) CUL8R --- c.erz@ndh.net --- ... es wir immer weitergeh´n, Musik als Träger von Ideen... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lebron,Nathan" Subject: (kw) New Member Intro Date: 09 Oct 1997 17:41:00 E I have done this before but it has been a while. My name is Nathan and I presently live in NY. I have been listening to KW since the 80's, consciously. Consciously? Yes, as in I knew it was KW. Subconsciously, probably since the 70's. I remember in the late 70's around the age of 8-9 years old, while living in Puerto Rico, a TV station used an excerpt from "Spacelab" as background music for their station identification. It was followed with a graphic of a space satellite flying through space. I think it was El Breve channel 4. I of course, did not realize this until two years ago. I spent my teen years in the South Bronx around the time KW was in our techno breakdancing revolution. At the age of 12, I remember watching the movie "Breaking" which showcased a song that was just right for breakdancing: Tour de France. Just dope! In any event, I did not realize this until about a year ago. I just recently purchased Radiactivity on Vinyl for 7US dollars at a record dump shop in Albany, NY. Don't have a turntable to hear it yet. I have been going through this techno rennaissance. It is nice! Glad to be back Peace out Nate El Great AKA Cacique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robert.k@daltekvision.se (Robert Krenn) Subject: Re: (kw) robotic speech Date: 09 Oct 1997 23:32:03 +0200 Joel Provost wrote: > > The speak and spell was a product made by Texas Instruments. > Texas Instruments came out with a voice synthesizer chip that they > released back then. It was used in a lot of products including > some computers. They all sounded alike. It seems whatever > Kraftwerk was using to make those voices, it was based on the TI chip. If you ever played with one of these TI Speak and spell toys, you would find yourself very, VERY familiar with the sound it gives when it is turned on... KW actually used it as intro to one tune on the Computerworld album... don't remeber wich tune right now... but I know when I hear it. it's just some notes in a familiar sequence, played 3-4 times in differnt tone scales (just as it does on the Speak and SPell :) //Robert - My friend has one Speak and Spell! -- - Robert Krenn http://www.daltekvision.se - - tel 1: +46 (0)243 87858 tel 2: +46 (0)243 73504 - - mob: +46 (0)70 5718622 fax: +46 (0)243 85402 - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) robotic speech Date: 09 Oct 1997 18:08:19 +0500 About the Speak And Spell: I understand that the voices produced by that particular chip are derived from samples of human voices that were analyzed, compressed, re-synthesized, etc.-- a very 'menschmaschine' thing to do... :-) -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: Re: (kw) robotic speech Date: 09 Oct 1997 15:10:34 PDT >If you ever played with one of these TI Speak and spell toys, you would >find yourself very, VERY familiar with the sound it gives when it is >turned on... KW actually used it as intro to one tune on the >Computerworld album... don't remeber wich tune right now... but I know >when I hear it. it's just some notes in a familiar sequence, played 3-4 >times in differnt tone scales (just as it does on the Speak and SPell :) It sounds like the intro to Home Computer, not exactly, but very close. Anyone know if there is a program that is like a software vocoder for Macs? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: Re: AW: (kw) again: meeting/treffen after show in karlsruhe ?! Date: 10 Oct 1997 00:47:32 +0200 >well let's determin a meeting point after the performance to go for a= drink! >i woul prefer harald's proposition: the t-zone. what do you think ? >who from the list will be coming anyway ?! Remember this list? additions: please update your mail before adding your name to be sure you add it to the latest version. 1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com 2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de 3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com 4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net 5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net 6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se 7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at 8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl 9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de 10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com 11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de 12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no 13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl 14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl 15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl 16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl 17 Maureen Jansen - 18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl 19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de 20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org 21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se 22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se 23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se 24 Rickard Hidefj=E4ll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se 25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org 26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org 27 Conny Fornb=E4ck conny.annica@wineasy.se 28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se =20 29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de 30 Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch 31 Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk 32 EDUARDO MONTEIRO (BRASIL) 97fm@colatina.com.br greetings, Twingo / / Twingo, the Netherlands ----/---/---- http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo / / twingo@xs4all.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) Where is new album?? Date: 09 Oct 1997 20:13:13 -0400 (EDT) On Sun, 6 Nov 2039, jbv wrote: > WG29584@aol.com wrote: > > > > Where is Kraftwerk new album? > >Has it been released in Germany? > > Actually, it's been released in Dusseldorf only. Actually, a small number were actually burned and prepared for shipping, but a last-minute order from the company had them all destroyed. By a stroke of fate, however, about 100 copies were accidentally shipped out to a US distributor and, in turn, 1 or 2 copies each ended up at a smattering of US music stores. A special task force of former Stasi agents was hired by Ralf and Florian and dispatched to the US to recover all of the discs, regardless of where they were. While all of the original 100 discs have supposedly been recovered and destroyed, enterprising collectors did, of course, make copies of the discs, and clandestine copies have been circulating for months now. Ralf and Florian have been maintaining their Stasi team at great expense in the US, tracking down the guilty, although bootlegs still continue to turn up from time to time. John Morgan "'One can't always be high.' Oh no? One The University of Michigan only has to properly orient oneself." jbmorgan@umich.edu --Walter Benjamin http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gekn@ebifsol9.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerd Knochenhauer) Subject: Re: (kw) Further "Guiding Ray" delay Date: 10 Oct 1997 10:27:01 +0200 I have listened to it in a record shop yesterday. There are three versions of the song on it: a special Radio Edit a Remix Version (I don't remember by whom) the Album version I consider the Album Version to be the best one. Gerd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) robotic speech Date: 10 Oct 1997 10:39:43 +0000 Pete Liethen wrote: > > Anyone know if there is a program that is like a software vocoder for > Macs? > Try SVP / AudioSculpt developped at IRCAM. Much more than a simple vocoder. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Ticket to Heaven Date: 10 Oct 1997 13:23:47 +0000 One of my friends won't be able to make it to Karlsruhe. Therefore I have one ticket for sale. Best offer gets the deal. I'll be away from saturday morning to sunday afternoon. So I'll reply on sunday evening. Please don't clutter my mailbox with tons of copies of the same message. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kaoru FUJISHIMA Subject: Re:(kw) Further "Guiding Ray" delay Date: 11 Oct 1997 01:48:00 +0900 Cc: Klaus Zaepke Cc: Gerd Knochenhauer I have the second Yamo's Digipack CD single "Guiding Ray". Very nice cover which was designed by Emil Schult. A big tree and a parabora anttena were printed on the cover. (It remenber me his old art works:'Autobarn' and 'TEE'.) Tracklisting: 1. radio edit 4:31 2. remix by -the bionaut- 4:25 3. original version 7:35 I think, the bionaut remix is very Oriental. Tschuess! KaoRu *** Kaoru CHIDA-Fujishima *** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colatina Radio Som Ltda." <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) list fans in concert Date: 09 Oct 1997 15:00:43 -0300 additions: please update your mail before adding your name to be sure you add it to the latest version. 1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com 2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de 3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com 4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net 5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net 6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se 7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at 8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl 9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de 10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com 11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de 12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no 13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl 14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl 15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl 16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl 17 Maureen Jansen - 18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl 19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de 20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org 21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se 22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se 23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se 24 Rickard Hidefj=E4ll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se 25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org 26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org 27 Conny Fornb=E4ck conny.annica@wineasy.se 28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se =20 29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de 30 Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch 31 Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) More Kraftwerk in the news... Date: 10 Oct 1997 20:21:12 +0200 ...in the actually edition of the "Libro Journal". Small article about the guys. 6 days left... . Georgie ________________________________________________________ Music Non Stop - Techno Pop...Kraftwerk - 16.10. - 20:00 - Posthof Linz -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) update! Date: 10 Oct 1997 16:37:29 +0200 Hello all!=20 =20 I just updated my KW-pages with a seventh image archive.=20 =20 It contains 4 images from the 1973 Ralf&Florian-album including images =20 from the comic book by Emil Schult, which was featured on the early =20 copies. They are quite large as well so they might take some time to=20 download, but the image quality is very good....=20 =20 See you in Karlsruhe!=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 www.student.gu.se/~maka0067 =20 =20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Better Living Through Circuitry Documentary Date: 10 Oct 1997 17:49:28 -0400 Go to http://www.addict.com/MNOTW/lofi/971004/971004_1429.shtml to read t= he full article of the following excerpt about a new video documentary currently being filme= d in the USA: =2E....... The project will feature interviews and performance footage of current artists such as Moby, DJ Spooky,= Aphex Twin, Sneaker Pimps, The Crystal Method, Alec Empire of Atari Teenage Riot, DJ Frankie Bones= , Electronic Skychurch, Death in Vegas, and many others yet to be announced. Key Personnel from the techno scene have also been interviewed including Kraftwerk's Wolfgang Flur, Todd Muellor, the producer of MTV's electronic music show, Amp, MixMag founder Tony Prince, and New York's Sputnik Rave promoter Scott Richmond. = =2E..... Regards = Roland "Kraftwerk owes us nothing - we owe them everything" Muzik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlie Crash" <303@iname.com> Subject: (kw) Speak & Spell Date: 11 Oct 1997 04:04:31 +0200 =AE0|=E1=D1=F0 =86b=AD 303@iname.com T=87=E9 =D9|=86=A1m=E0t=EB =D0=E2=F1= =E7=EAm=AA=A9h=A1=F1=CB=99 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/6157/ I'm wondering if anybody's got one of those Texas machines to sell or len= d me - I have NO idea what they could be worth, but we could always discuss that later. If the machine only have a limited amount of sounds I would rather just lend & sample it off. I live in Sweden, Malm=F6, so if there's anyone around that area??? .................................................... By the way... Is someone one this list an owner of a Roland TR-909? If so, could I lend it for a couple of hours? I really need to sample it (Yes I know there are HUNDREDS of sample CD's with the 909 on it but they don't sample it the right way. 'Cos you cant play a sampled drumloop by a 909 with only one sample of each sound - Especially not the handclap - It= 's a random circuit...or just bad welding :-) Good Luck to all you happy people on the KW Gig...May the kraft be werk you! ///CC # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlie Crash" <303@iname.com> Subject: SV: (kw) robotic speech Date: 11 Oct 1997 04:01:42 +0200 =AE0|=E1=D1=F0 =86b=AD 303@iname.com T=87=E9 =D9|=86=A1m=E0t=EB =D0=E2=F1= =E7=EAm=AA=A9h=A1=F1=CB=99 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/6157/ > Anyone know if there is a program that is like a software vocoder for=20 > Macs? >=20 No I don't, but if you can get your hands on a pc there's this site: http://www.maz-sound.com and then look for cylonix... It's a vocoder... ///CC # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace Date: 10 Oct 1997 22:07:34 -0700 HiYa-HiYa! Well, folks, I finally got the beginnings of a HomePage, thanks to my husband, Kingsnake, aka: Gyro Gearloose Productions. We still need to add a simple schematic background and all the links, etc. But, for now, y'all can laugh at my goofy KW drawings. It only takes a minute or 2 to download the thumbnails. Nothing massive. More lame shit later. -(I need little traffic cones for "under construction", *HeeHee*!)- What, you thought I'd have a "serious" page?? Yeah, right. Hell, no- I leave that to all of you experts. I could never design a page as sharp as all the ones I've seen. You guys've got some NICE pages out there! I just wanted to do something fun and different. :] ROBOSMILEY ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace Note: I will be afk- "away from keyboard" -(Computer AND musical)- until Monday evening. Hubby will continue to WERK on my page over the weekend along with his photography pages, etc. C U in CyberSpace! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: usura@pacific.net.sg Subject: (kw) again: meeting/treffen after show in karlsruhe ?! Date: 11 Oct 1997 14:34:29 +0800 (SGT) At 12:47 AM 10/10/97 +0200, Twingo on the Internet wrote: > >>well let's determin a meeting point after the performance to go for a= drink! >>i woul prefer harald's proposition: the t-zone. what do you think ? >>who from the list will be coming anyway ?! > >Remember this list? > >additions: please update your mail before adding your name to be sure you >add it to the latest version. > >1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com >2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de >3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com >4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net >5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net >6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se >7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at >8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl >9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de >10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com >11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de >12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no >13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl >14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl >15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl >16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl >17 Maureen Jansen - >18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl >19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de >20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org >21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se >22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se >23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se >24 Rickard Hidefj=E4ll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se >25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org >26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org >27 Conny Fornb=E4ck conny.annica@wineasy.se >28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se =20 >29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de >30 Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch >31 Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk >32 EDUARDO MONTEIRO (BRASIL) 97fm@colatina.com.br > and my sister and myself: 33 Monique Chong} usura@pacific.net.sg 34 Denise Chong } # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) German article on the ZKM online Date: 11 Oct 1997 12:40:02 -0400 Hi all There is an german interview with the initiator of the ZKM = Medienkunstzentrum in Karlsruhe, Kulturreferent Dr. Michael Heck, online= at = http://www.karlsruhe.de/Aktuell/Stadtzeitung97/sz416.htm#oben It does not mention Kraftwerk but talks about the idea and the philosophy= of the ZKM = Regards Roland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) addition to the list (was: meeting in karlsruhe) Date: 11 Oct 1997 18:46:18 +0200 heya all, sorry, somehow i missed the first list-postings. however, i am adding my girlfriend and myself to the list: >1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com >2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de >3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com >4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net >5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net >6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se >7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at >8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl >9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de >10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com >11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de >12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no >13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl >14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl >15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl >16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl >17 Maureen Jansen - >18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl >19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de >20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org >21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se >22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se >23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se >24 Rickard Hidefjäll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se >25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org >26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org >27 Conny Fornbäck conny.annica@wineasy.se >28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se >29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de >30 Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch >31 Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk >32 EDUARDO MONTEIRO (BRASIL) 97fm@colatina.com.br >33 Monique Chong} usura@pacific.net.sg >34 Denise Chong } - >35 Bettina Hartnacke beha@net-media.de (not on mailing list ;) >36 Andreas Schepers schepers@net-media.de cu in karlsruhe :) - andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH Information Design Schubertstraße 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cats Subject: (kw) New Bootleg Date: 12 Oct 1997 11:46:38 +0100 Hi there ! I found a new Bootleg CD ! The name is: Robotronik/Uebermensch (PingPong Produkt 1997) The cover shows a closeup from the `Computerworld` Ralph-dummie. The tracklisting: 1. Metropolis - Fritz Lang Mix 2. The robots - FunkitionaersMix 3. The Model - K=F6Mix 4. Neonlights - ShadowMix 5. Spacelab - SevenupMix 6. The Man Machine - VorwaertsMarschMix 7. Tour de France - Arc the Triumphe Mix 8. Sex Object - Spanish edit Bye, Johann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Kultur Tip: Linz Gig Date: 12 Oct 1997 15:14:04 +0200 Kraftwerk's Linz gig was mentioned today at ORF2 (austrian broadcasting), 10:45 in "Tip - Die Kulturwoche" in a very short article. They showed some shots from the '81 Tour. The broadcast will be repeated this night, also in ORF2. Georgie ________________________________________________________ Music Non Stop - Techno Pop...Kraftwerk - 16.10. - 20:00 - Posthof Linz -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PRODUKT01@aol.com Subject: (kw) Linz tix for sale Date: 12 Oct 1997 08:26:43 -0400 (EDT) I have 2 tickets for the Linz Kraftwerk show; best offer gets them. Email me ASAP... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "klaus olsen" Subject: (kw) Kling Klang adress Date: 12 Oct 1997 07:34:54 PDT Does anybody on the list have the adress for the Kling Klang studio ? Klaus ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Kling Klang adress Date: 12 Oct 1997 16:02:11 +0200 ko_dk@hotmail.com,internet writes:=20 =20 >Does anybody on the list have the adress for =20 >the Kling Klang studio ?=20 =20 Check this address for pictures and address:=20 (Thomas Weckert's "Kraftwerk Picture Gallery)=20 =20 http://www.student.uni-koeln.de/~tweckert/kraftwerk/kk.html =20 =20 =20 "View from Mintropplatz on Mintropstra=DFe (left) and Harkortstra=DFe=20 (right). =20 In the backside of this building no.16 is the KlingKlang Studio. =20 Elektric Music in Stockkampstra=DFe. "=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 www.student.gu.se/~maka0067 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Brain to Midi" Date: 12 Oct 1997 19:52:59 +0000 There is a new Kraftwerk bootleg CD out: "Brain to Midi". The tracklisting (incl. mistakes!) is exactly the same as on the "Lebendige Menschen" bootleg CD (Tribal Gathering BBC radio broadcast plus three tracks Ludwigsburg 1991). The cover artwork has no Kraftwerk-relevance. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Sequences 18 Date: 12 Oct 1997 19:52:59 +0000 Issue 18 of the British fanzine "Sequences" contains a long (5 pages) interview with Wolfgang Fluer. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) P. S. 2: Fortunato & Montresor: "Imagine" Date: 12 Oct 1997 19:53:00 +0000 > More info about the "Imagine" single is available at > http://www.elektrolux.com/releas16-20.htm#e10000 I have now seen this single. I didn't notice a sample from "Pocket Calculator", but one of the mixes ("The Operator") contains the first line of the "Pocket Calculator" lyrics ("I'm the operator with my pocket calculator"). BTW: The track was co-written by Elektric Music member Ralf Beck, and Yamo-collaborateuse Jedra Dayl is credited for lyrics and vocals. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Musica Obscura - Guiding Ray" Date: 12 Oct 1997 19:52:59 +0000 The following Yamo item is listed in some new releases lists for this week, but I'm not sure if it is actually out yet: Yamo: "Musica Obscura - Guiding Ray" Maxi-Single (analog) EMI Odeon 8846696 Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Emil Schult activities Date: 12 Oct 1997 19:53:01 +0000 An exhibition of Emil Schult's new works ("Neue Werke") will be opened next Wednesday (15.10.) at the Galerie Kontraste, Grunerstrasse 40, Duesseldorf. The exhibition takes place until November 1st. More info at http://www.germangalleries.com/Galerie_Kontraste/ Also planned for October: "Internet-Galerie Kontraste / Emil Schult Media-Kunst Veranstaltung mit dem Internet Cafe "Garden" im Rathaus." (Quoted from the Galerie Kontraste event schedule.) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) U. S. "Time Pie" Date: 12 Oct 1997 19:53:00 +0000 I have spotted a copy of the U. S. version of "Time Pie" on a saleslist, and I found it interesting that - in addition to the new artwork - some of the titles appear to have been renamed: 6. Guiding Ray (Space journey to F. F. F. F. towns) is now 6. Guiding Ray (Space journey to funny faces from foreign towns) 7. Tra Testa e Mano (between head and hand) is now 7. Tra Testa a Mano (heart between head and hand) 10. DR.UG.LY (more than slim) and 11. UG.LY on the Run (never stands still) are now 10. DR.UG.LY (drops against tears) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Salaryman Date: 12 Oct 1997 22:00:03 +0000 For those who like NEU!, Can, Faust, early KW and This Heat, try Salaryman (City Slang). jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) "Better Living Through Circuitry" Documentary Date: 12 Oct 1997 16:37:03 -0400 I read about that film in "Billboard" a few weeks ago--it's being made by the people behind Cleopatra Records as a way for them to gain street-credibility (ha!). Warner Bros. and SME (Sony) are interested in releasing the film's soundtrack album, and a search is going on for a distributor--Miramax/Disney, Grammercy/PolyGram and October/Universal are said to be interested in that department while the film's near completion. Release is said to be early 1998. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlie Crash" <303@iname.com> Subject: (kw) Update Date: 13 Oct 1997 01:01:45 +0200 rjB84dHwIIZirSAzMDNAaW5hbWUuY29tIFSH6SDZfIahbeB06yDQ4vHn6m2qqWih8cuZDQpo dHRwOi8vd3d3Lmdlb2NpdGllcy5jb20vU3Vuc2V0U3RyaXAvUGFsbGFkaXVtLzYxNTcvDQoN CkxvdCdzIG9mIG5ldyBzb25ncyBpZiBhbnlvbmUgd2FudHMgYSBicmVhayBmcm9tIEtXLi4u IDotKQ0KDQovLy9DQw0K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlie Crash" <303@iname.com> Subject: (kw) Strange symbols... Date: 13 Oct 1997 01:10:58 +0200 =AE0|=E1=D1=F0 =86b=AD 303@iname.com T=87=E9 =D9|=86=A1m=E0t=EB =D0=E2=F1= =E7=EAm=AA=A9h=A1=F1=CB=99 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/6157/ ...by the way... anyone's got an idea how these strange figures appear at the bottom of my last mail It's happened before I think... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Godfrey Subject: (kw) John Foxx and Komputer Date: 13 Oct 1997 03:07:41 -0600 This is a bit off-topic but I thought it may be of interest to some members of the list... There was talk of Numan and Foxx a few weeks ago, and some members stated their keen interest (Craig Land I think was one of them). On Saturday evening I saw a John Foxx gig at the LA2 in London - 'twas an excellent gig, many old songs including some of my faves from the early Ultravox era (Hiroshima mon Amour, Quiet Men, Dislocation) and 80's solo stuff (Underpass, Endlessly, 20th Century to name but a few). There was just John Foxx and another guy onstage, using only keyboards, sequencers and drum machines. The old stuff sounded excellent, and brought many happy memories flooding back. If only he'd played "My Sex"... After John Foxx, I bombed up to North London to catch Komputer, who were playing at a Krautrock club at The Garage. They too were excellent, and played a track I've not heard before, "Bill Gates", which is v.much like the "Man Machine" KW played at Tribal, with the synthesized "Man" and "Machine" replaced by "Bill" "Gates". Marvelous stuff! Now I don't feel so bad about missing the forthcoming KW gigs... If anyone on the list gets the chance to see either of these acts perform, I'd strongly recommend you take it. Further info may be obtained from the "Extreme Voice" website (Foxx) or the Mute Records website (Komputer). I'm sorry but I don't have the URLs for these. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DHOLTON@derwent.co.uk Subject: (kw) Did anyone see Date: 13 Oct 1997 10:18:17 +0100 Komputer live upstairs at the Garage on Saturday night?If so what were they like?Would love to have gone if it were not for more pressing details like no babysitter and important football matches.Nice to see Germany being taken to the wire - I've got an inkling that England might win the World Cup! Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: (kw) VINYL SINGLE with RARITIES Date: 13 Oct 1997 11:52:10 +0200 Hello all, Today at 11:00h in spanish radiostation RNE Radio3, Tom=E1s Fernando Flores (a great periodist and DJ) has said literally in his program "Siglo XXI" : (first in spanish) "Kraftwerk han entrado en el Standby en el que permanecieron durante muchos a=F1os despues de haber resucitado eventualmente para el Tribal Gathering. Aun cuando habian anunciado que volverian a hacer un disco y que se reunian con muchas ganas, lo cierto es que despues de ese concierto, de esa actuaci=F3n en el festival techno brit=E1nico y LA EDICION LIMITADA DE UN SINGLE EN VINILO CON RAREZAS QUE TENIAN GUARDAS EN SUS ARCHIVOS cada uno de los componentes ha vuelto donde estaba, a sus labores privadas ahuyentados por el contacto colectivo que parece ser que no fue tan grato como se apreciaba en el escenario del Tribal Gathering." (translation) "Kraftwerk is now in standby again, in spite of that they resurrect by chance for the Tribal Gathering. Even though, they had anunced that they=B4ll ma= ke a new album and they join together with great illusions, the true is that before this concert in the british techno festival and THE LIMITED EDITIO= N OF A VINYL SINGLE WITH RARITIES THAT THEY HAD GUARDED IN THEIR ARCHIVES, each one of them return to his privates works frighten away by the colective contact that wasn=B4t all pleasant like apparently= was the concert in the Tribal Gathering. Well, NO COMMENTS! Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: (kw) Theremin Date: 13 Oct 1997 04:13:23 -0600 (MDT) Slightly off-topic, but of interest to electronic music history buffs. Recently one of the cable stations here played a movie about the inventor of the Theremin, the first electric musical instrument. You may know it for the spooky sounds it was used to produce for low-grade horror and science fiction movies. Anyway, the movie was quite interesting and enlightening. As I recall the title was actually "Theremin". It had interviews with Moog, some of the remaining professional Theremin players and various other related musicians. Anyone else see it? What a fascinating instrument. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) 'yamo' comes to Japan! Date: 13 Oct 1997 22:17:50 +0900 Hi 'Werkers, Am 23 Sep 1997 02:29:00 +0900, schreibt Kaoru FUJISHIMA: > Wolfgang Fluer will come to Tokyo in October for Yamo's promotion. > His album 'Time Pie' is going to be released in Japan from the company > 'POP BIZ', on 20th October. > On 19th&24th, his interview shows will be held in Shibuya, Tokyo. Seems obvious, but the Sunday event is mentioned in weekly magazine PIA as a free event. See page 105 of this week's issue. I've got its ticket & have ordered for next Friday event. I'll be wearing replica football uniform of German national team there. (Got one at a famous football shop KAMO near Harajuku station.) Seeya there! 8-) ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Oehler" Subject: Re: (kw) Theremin Date: 13 Oct 1997 08:21:20 -0500 > >Recently one of the cable stations here played a movie about the inventor >of the Theremin, the first electric musical instrument. You may know it >for the spooky sounds it was used to produce for low-grade horror and >science fiction movies. > "Theremin: An Electronic Odyssey." Cool movie. Low budget, and kind of surreal in spots. But the parts detail the life of Leon Theremin are really interesting...kidnapped by the KGB in 1936 (in New York!), forced to invent listening devices for several decades in the USSR, and finally allowed to be a musician again late in his life...everyone presumed he was dead and suddenly this film-maker finds him alive and living in Moscow. Whoa. >Anyway, the movie was quite interesting and enlightening. As I recall the >title was actually "Theremin". It had interviews with Moog, some of the >remaining professional Theremin players and various other related > musicians. > >Anyone else see it? What a fascinating instrument. The Power of Sales... I bought a Big Briar (Moog's Company) Etherwave about three weeks after seeing that movie. Damn fun instrument. REALLY hard to play, but lots of fun. =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= Can you think of another word for "synonym"? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Wanna spend money ? Date: 13 Oct 1997 15:39:24 +0000 Log at http://www.jinxrecords.com/cgi/jinx.cgi and search KRAFTWERK jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Oehler" Subject: (kw) Time Pie. Date: 13 Oct 1997 09:12:17 -0500 Well, Saturday I got my hands on a copy of Time Pie. I like it a lot so far (I've only listened to it three times). Very VERY kraftwerky in spots. Flur's Kraftwerk percussion is pretty obvious as are some of his sound effects. The whole albums sounds like what Kraftwerk would sound like if Computerworld was made in the past few years. The vocals are kind of strange on a few songs...they sound kind of like a mad scientist singing (I expect him to suddenly sing "fools I'll destroy them all!"). Overall, it sounds like Kraftwerk meets Ryuchi Sakamoto. =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= Can you think of another word for "synonym"? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MCINTYRE@pa.msu.edu Subject: re: (kw) Theremin Date: 13 Oct 1997 11:46:17 -0400 >From: Ra >Recently one of the cable stations here played a movie about the inventor >of the Theremin, the first electric musical instrument. You may know it >for the spooky sounds it was used to produce for low-grade horror and >science fiction movies. >Anyway, the movie was quite interesting and enlightening. As I recall the >title was actually "Theremin". It had interviews with Moog, some of the >remaining professional Theremin players and various other related musicians. Technically, the Theremin was not the first electric musical instrument, although it's certainly had more success than its predessor, the Teleharmonium. The full title of the Theremin movie is _Theremin: An Electronic Odyssey_, and it is available on videotape, although the scene of Sam Hoffman demonstrating the Theremin on the Mickey Mouse Club has been edited out of the home video version. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Schuldt" Subject: (kw) Elektrik Music HP? Date: 13 Oct 1997 18:25:34 +1000 Hello! I've been searching for some kind of Hompage dedicated to Elektrik Music but I havent been able to find any! Please give me some advice...... I got the crosstalk single yesterday nr: 4911 yes! yes! (CDS 056-110363) is there any other release of this one? The cover says also Maxisingle 050-110365 is this also numbered? Give me some info please!!!! Best Regards! //Andreas Schuldt Andreas Schuldt (http://www.hb.lu.se/~skylt/) St Mansgatan 21, 3 tr 222 29 Lund , SWEDEN Tel./Fax. +46 (0)46-125690 (Home) Mobile. +46 (0)705-189146 skylt@hb.lu.se (or bs.lovepac@nolato.se ) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Did anyone see Date: 13 Oct 1997 21:31:21 +0100 > Did anyone see > Komputer live upstairs at the Garage on Saturday night?If so what were > they like?Would love to have gone if it were not for more pressing details > like no babysitter and important football matches.Nice to see Germany > being taken to the wire - I've got an inkling that England might win the > World Cup! I was there - watched the footie down the pub first then walked up to the Garage - Komputer were OK - my only criticism is that if they like Kraftwerk so much they should play Kraftwerk cover versions rather than their own compositions as they're not at all original in any way! I'm sure R & F would not have been impressed... BTW I agree, England have every chance of winning the World Cup this time round. I'm going down the bookmakers to put twenty quid on. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) update! Date: 13 Oct 1997 17:41:40 +0200 alden@magi.com,internet writes:=20 >Nice looking pages! What do you use for your graphics software?=20 =20 I only use Photoshop 4.0 and Paint Shop Pro 4.0, mostly I use Photoshop=20 to cut and to change sizes and Paint Shop just to be able to view=20 (browse) the=20 pictures all at the same time.......=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 www.student.gu.se/~maka0067 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Theremin Date: 13 Oct 1997 18:40:58 -0400 >>> Recently one of the cable stations here played a movie about the inventor of the Theremin, the first electric musical instrument. You may know it for the spooky sounds it was used to produce for low-grade horror and science fiction movies. Anyway, the movie was quite interesting and enlightening. As I recall the title was actually "Theremin". It had interviews with Moog, some of the remaining professional Theremin players and various other related musicians. Anyone else see it? What a fascinating instrument. <<< Yeah. "Theremin: an Electronic Odyssey" was a terrific movie. I saw it twice: once in the theater during its initial release, the second time in my electronic-music class. It was so funny! How about when Clara Rockmore met Leon Termin, after many years ("Cut!" she said) with "Good Vibrations" playing in the background as they walked down 57th Street? I'll never forget someone who watched the movie in my class who said, "It was these really weird old people saying nothing." Get a clue, kid! A real find, and well worth seeing. It's funny that you mentioned that today--I found the score for "The Day the Earth Stood Still" on CD (Fox/Arista Records) today! >>> ...although the scene of Sam Hoffman demonstrating the Theremin on the Mickey Mouse Club has been edited out of the home video version. <<< I remember that scene! Why was it excised? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) Theremin/Berlin Date: 13 Oct 1997 17:22:03 +0200 lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca,internet writes:=20 >Anyone else see it? What a fascinating instrument. =20 =20 Yes, they showed it on Swedish television some months ago, =20 very interesting really! You can hear a theremin on the Beach Boys'=20 song "Good vibrations" if you would want to hear how a Theremin=20 sounds like - very spooky!=20 =20 I will be moving to Berlin in a couple of weeks and will stay there at=20 least 3 months...and since I don't know anyone there I would like to =20 come in contact with people from Berlin! (you may write in German)=20 =20 See you in Karlsruhe!=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 www.student.gu.se/~maka0067 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ferber Subject: Subject: (kw) addition to the list (was: meeting in karlsruhe) Date: 14 Oct 1997 08:38:44 +0200 hi, i am adding my name to list. so i am new to this mailing list of people, who visit the karlsruhe-concert. so i am new to the mail-list, i might have miss something. is there a meeting happend to be on a certain place after the concert? does anybody know a got (tecno)disco in karlsruhe? after admiring the grandfathers, it would be good to listen to the grandchilds. (by the way a question: on my ticket it is "kraftwerk and guests". i found no hint, where these guests may be. do you?) >1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com >2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de >3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com >4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net >5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net >6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se >7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at >8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl >9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de >10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com >11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de >12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no >13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl >14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl >15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl >16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl >17 Maureen Jansen - >18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl >19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de >20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org >21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se >22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se >23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se >24 Rickard Hidefjäll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se >25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org >26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org >27 Conny Fornbäck conny.annica@wineasy.se >28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se >29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de >30 Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch >31 Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk >32 EDUARDO MONTEIRO (BRASIL) 97fm@colatina.com.br >33 Monique Chong} usura@pacific.net.sg >34 Denise Chong } - - >35 Bettina Hartnacke beha@net-media.de (not on mailing list ;) >36 Andreas Schepers schepers@net-media.de 37 joerg ferber ferber@uni-muenster.de see you jörg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robert.k@daltekvision.se (Robert Krenn) Subject: Re: (kw) Theremin/Berlin Date: 14 Oct 1997 09:24:47 +0200 Mats Kadmark wrote: > Yes, they showed it on Swedish television some months ago, > very interesting really! You can hear a theremin on the Beach Boys' > song "Good vibrations" if you would want to hear how a Theremin > sounds like - very spooky! Not to mention Jean Michel Jarre who used one in one of the Oxygene 7-13 . He even played one live on his concert at Globen Stockholm, and probably at all the other concerts aftwerwards too. > See you in Karlsruhe! Sure! //Robert -- - Robert Krenn http://www.daltekvision.se - - tel 1: +46 (0)243 87858 tel 2: +46 (0)243 73504 - - mob: +46 (0)70 5718622 fax: +46 (0)243 85402 - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) addition to the list (was: meeting in karlsruhe) Date: 14 Oct 1997 09:35:04 +0000 joerg ferber wrote : >(by the way a question: on my ticket it is "kraftwerk and guests".=20 >i found no hint, where these guests may be. do you?) The list of people below ARE these guests. Here's my addition to the list : >1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com >2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de >3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com >4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net >5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net >6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se >7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at >8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl >9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de >10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com >11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de >12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no >13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl >14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl >15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl >16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl >17 Maureen Jansen - >18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl >19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de >20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org >21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se >22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se >23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se >24 Rickard Hidefj=E4ll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se >25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org >26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org >27 Conny Fornb=E4ck conny.annica@wineasy.se >28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se =20 >29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de >30 Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch >31 Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk >32 EDUARDO MONTEIRO (BRASIL) 97fm@colatina.com.br >33 Monique Chong} usura@pacific.net.sg >34 Denise Chong } - - >35 Bettina Hartnacke beha@net-media.de (not on mailing list ;) >36 Andreas Schepers schepers@net-media.de 37 joerg ferber ferber@uni-muenster.de 38 \ 39 -> jbv + 2 friends (including one girl) jbv.silences@wanadoo.fr 40 / # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dominik Stadler Subject: (kw) Little Story 'bout Kraftwerk Date: 14 Oct 1997 10:02:02 +0200 Hi everybody on the list! I've found a nice little story included in an Interview in the little magazine "ouk" dated oct./nov. 97, a magazine about techno music and parties in the region of Stuttgart/T=FCgingen in Germany: Shake (a DJ) tells about his roots ins electronic music: (first in german) "...Zugegebenerma=DFen habe ich, als ich jung war auch Kraftwerk = geh=F6rt. Dazu f=E4llt mir ein, da=DF ich Carl Bartos auf dem New Music Seminar = '92 getroffen habe. Da war ein Techno-Pannel und es ging hei=DF her. Die meinten dann 'Ich bin Franky Bones und brachte Rave nach Brooklyn', 'Ich bin Derrick May und ich erfand Techno' oder 'Ich bin Money Penny und ich brachte das erste Magazin heraus'. Bartos stand an der Seite und ich fragte ihn, was er davon h=E4lt. Er meinte nur, ich solle mich nicht um ihn k=FCmmern, er h=F6re einfach nur zu. Da=DF Kraftwerk einen solch = immensen Einflu=DF auf Techno gehabt hat, scheint ihm eher unrecht gewesen zu = sein. Er w=E4re nie auf die Idee gekommen, sich auf diese B=FChne zu stellen, = um zu verk=FCnden, da=DF Techno ohne ihn nicht existieren w=FCrde. ..." (now my really bad english translation) "... admittedly when I was young I also listened to Kraftwerk. Besides I remember meeting Carl Bartos at the New Music Seminar '92. There was a Techno-Pannel and the discussion got heated. There were statements like 'I am Franky Bones and I brought Rave to Brooklyn', 'I am Derrick May and I invented Techno' or 'I am Money Penny and I published the first magazine'. Bartos was standing beside and I asked him, what he thinks of it. He told me not to care about him, he was only listening. The tremendous influence of Kraftwerk on Techno-Music seemed to disappoint him. It would have never occured to him to go on stage and announce that Techno-Music wouldn't exist without him. ..." I really look forward to the Posthof-Concert, BTW does anybody know in which hall it well be held? Dschau.. Dominik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alden Consulting Subject: Re: (kw) update! Date: 13 Oct 1997 14:26:21 -0400 Mats Kadmark wrote: > Hello all! > > I just updated my KW-pages with a seventh image archive. Nice looking pages! What do you use for your graphics software? Alex Laney # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) Y did he leave them? Date: 14 Oct 1997 17:03:07 +0100 I found this part from the interview of Wolfgang Fl=FCr at >http://www=2Earrakis=2Ees/~jgc/aktivitat/7_fluer=2Ehtm> And after reading this I wonder why he didn=B4t stay with R&F=2E Q: Did you ever enjoy cycling or other sporting activities?=20 A: I knew that you would ask me that particular question! When I was with m= y former friends and we did the video for 'Tour De France' you see me cycling with 'the gang' in a reassuring speed=2E The reason is that=20= I don't like speed of any kind=2E I hate to rush, to hurry, to fly=2E=2E=2E (= oh, that could be another new title; 'Don't Rush and Hurry')=2E I'm really afra= id of all of that=2E I don't know the reason, but slowliness gives me more time to notice and enjoy my surroundings=2E=20 /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leon Mols Subject: (kw) One Karlsruhe ticket for sale Date: 14 Oct 1997 17:57:57 +0200 I seem to have one spare ticket for the Karlsruhe event. So if anyone of you out there needs one, contact me! I will be going alone and I have two tickets. Leon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER STUDENT" Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #154 Date: 14 Oct 1997 16:36:45 +0000 The Matrix Numbers of the KW1/2/R&F Bootlge LP pressings are KRF-01 / 02 / 03 A and B for the three albums. I also have no idea how one could have an interest in manufacturing these LP's as bootlegs, as it's not really all that hard to get hold of a regular copy. Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cosmos@capitolonline.nl Subject: (kw) autobahn Date: 14 Oct 1997 18:10:37 +0200 hello, wir fahren auf dem autobahn nach linz. tuut tuut. can't wait to be there. best wishes from andre from holland. cosmos@capitolonline.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: Re: (kw) David Holmes samples "The Telephone Call" on new album Date: 14 Oct 1997 12:19:30 -0400 Quote: The sample mentioned here is one that I cannot beleive for minute can = be attributed as a KW sample, for they surely sampled the phrase, = 'the number you have reached has been disconnected' from the = telecommunications people?! Plus I have heard this before in many songs/backing music for = programs etc. = Best Regards, Craig. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Well, Craig I guess you are right that the VOICE cannot be called a Kraftwerk-sample,= since it might indeed have been gotten by sampling some telecommunications people, BUT there is= still a few seconds = of the typical Kraftwerk-bleebs as well on that track.... So the correct = statement on this David Holmes track is: David Holmes sampled the voice passage of "Teleph= one Call" along with a few typical Kraftwerk-bleebs from that same song. Cheers Roland= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) David Holmes samples "The Telephone Call" on new album Date: 14 Oct 1997 09:50:16 -0700 "The number you have reached has been disconnected." It was Sandhya Whaley, the luckiest woman in the Universe -(Florian's g*rlfr*end.*ARGH*.)-, who recorded that bit. I read it in Bussy's book _KRAFTWERK: Man, Machine, and Music_, if the information is accurate. ROBOT@humboldt1.com ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) David Holmes samples "The Telephone Call" on new album Date: 14 Oct 1997 19:13:37 +0000 ROBOT wrote: > > "The number you have reached has been disconnected." > > It was Sandhya Whaley, the luckiest woman in the Universe -(Florian's > g*rlfr*end.*ARGH*.)-, who recorded that bit. I read it in Bussy's book > _KRAFTWERK: Man, Machine, and Music_, if the information is accurate. > > ROBOT@humboldt1.com > You need glasses. The book says it's Ralf's girlfriend. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Testing,....1, 2....3 Date: 10 Oct 1997 10:37:14 +0000 Can you all receive me OK? I have had no end of problems with my mail server this morning, I just wanted to check that everything is OK. Hey, Klaus, thanks for the video, isn't the performance of Pocket Calculator just great?! I will try to get your video to you in the next few days. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ivo Peeters Subject: (kw) E-mail problems Date: 10 Oct 1997 22:15:30 +0000 Hello KW-ers, Last time when I downloaded the messages from the KW-list, I faced some problems. My e-mail program crashed on a certain message (I don't know which one). I had to remove my "inbox" file before I could use my e-mail program again. I am using the e-mail program of Netscape 3.0 Does anybody on the list had the same problem and know about the cause? Thanks Ivo Peeters # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour Jgenti Subject: (kw) new album: some additional bytes Date: 12 Oct 1997 00:02:19 +0200 Hi, I've read in the french magazine CODa (october issue) a little paragraph about Kraftwerk. They say that "according the informations given by EMI the release date of the new Kraftwerk album was delayed (we noticed THAT) and now scheduled for January 1998"... The article was entitled: KRAFTWERK "Der Arlesienne". I guess this title is nothing but some author's fantasy. What could it mean otherwise? Tim -- timour.jgenti@hol.fr ------------------- timour.jgenti@ifp.fr ------------------- http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dseaton Subject: (kw) email list Date: 13 Oct 1997 17:10:09 +1100 please add me to this list Dale Seaton check Program Coordinator RACGP 1 Palmerston Crescent South Melbourne Vic 3205 ph (03) 9214 1551 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Erik Salmon Subject: (kw) !!! searching tickets for KA-concert 18.10. !!! Date: 13 Oct 1997 01:17:27 +0200 hi there, i=B4m looking for one or two tickets for the Concert in Karlsruhe on saturday, 18.10. - could not buy at the right time because of holidays in september... :-((( - so give me a chance to join this event! thanx erik (fon & fax: ++49-9122-63973) ******************************************** please reply to: e.salmon@gmx.de =B4homepage=B4: http://www.fen.baynet.de ******************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philipp_Schmidt@bmge.com Subject: (kw) theremin Date: 13 Oct 1997 14:46:43 -0400 >Slightly off-topic, but of interest to electronic music history buffs. >Recently one of the cable stations here played a movie about the inventor >of the Theremin, the first electric musical instrument. You may know it >for the spooky sounds it was used to produce for low-grade horror and >science fiction movies. >Anyway, the movie was quite interesting and enlightening. As I recall the >title was actually "Theremin". It had interviews with Moog, some of the >remaining professional Theremin players and various other related musicians. >Anyone else see it? What a fascinating instrument. Issue No 4 of Grand Royal (the Beasty Boys' magazine) contains lots of material and LONG interviews with people involved in creating, selling or using MOOG synths and also some stuff on the Theremin. I think they actually build one from scratch as well. I can only recommend the mag and especially this issue (although Issue 5 is the "Miami Bass" issue and a lot of fun as well) I envy everybody who gets a chance to go to the concert. Record ! Philipp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carl-Ove Subject: (kw) FS bootlegs! Date: 14 Oct 1997 00:44:04 +0100 Hi KraftWorkers! I have the following 3 bootlegs for sale, they are the Technopolis serie, all have good quality, all containing rare kraftwerk songs TECHNOPOLIS VOL.1 KRAFTWERK: SEXOBJECT (NEVER RELEASED DEMO 1983 (4:23) KRAFTWERK: COMPUTERWELT (RAZORMAID MEDLEY Z-3 (9:59) nitzer ebb: control i'm here razormaid mix 0-24 nitzer ebb: murderrous razormaid mix front 242: lovely day bochum live front 242: no shuffle bochum live front 242: body to body bochum live front 242: take one bochum live frontline assembly: digital tension dementia k=F6ln live frontline assembly: no limit k=F6ln live frontline assembly: virus razormaid mix TECHNOPOLIS vol.2: Human league: being boiled devil's dance mix cabaret voltaire: sensoria/don' argue razormaid depeche mode: behind the wheel razormaid front 242: welcome to headhunter razormaid portion control: the great divide razormaid KRAFTWERK: ELECTRIC CAFE mixx'it remix (5:04) signal about 42: why not razormaid psyche: unveiling the secret razormaid new order: sub-culture razormaid the cure: the walk razormaid TECHNOPOLIS vol.3 front 242: masterhit live london front 242: rythm of time razormaid depeche mode: nothing art of mix depeche mode: the official dmc megamix KRAFTWERK: DIE ROBOTER DMC mix (5:35) KRAFTWERK: TOUR DE FRANCE Disconet mix (6:29) portion control: the great divide disconet portion control: rough justice disconet and one: aus der traum live mix and one: second voice live and one: metalhammer live I'm only interested in selling all 3 together I will add postage and packing to the winning bid, bidding ends the tuesday in 8 days, buyer will be notified :) --=20 Yours "Good boy from the outside of town" Carl-Ove Christiansen http://home3.inet.tele.dk/coc/erasure.htm IRC nickname CYCA mostly on #erasure ICQ 2098115 EIS E-0447 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike.Pitt@mail.sema.co.uk Subject: RE: (kw) New Bootleg Date: 14 Oct 1997 16:20:00 EDT >>>>>>>>>>>Hi there ! I found a new Bootleg CD ! The name is: Robotronik/Uebermensch (PingPong Produkt 1997) The cover shows a closeup from the `Computerworld` Ralph-dummie. The tracklisting: 1. Metropolis - Fritz Lang Mix 2. The robots - FunkitionaersMix 3. The Model - K=94Mix 4. Neonlights - ShadowMix 5. Spacelab - SevenupMix 6. The Man Machine - VorwaertsMarschMix 7. Tour de France - Arc the Triumphe Mix 8. Sex Object - Spanish edit Bye, Johann <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< This is just a re-hash of 'The Man Machine Recreated' boot with the=20 exception of Track 8 which appears to end suddenly. Nice pics though... Mike. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) David Holmes samples "The Telephone Call" on new album Date: 14 Oct 1997 14:05:21 -0400 (EDT) >ROBOT wrote: >> >> "The number you have reached has been disconnected." >> >> It was Sandhya Whaley, the luckiest woman in the Universe -(Florian's >> g*rlfr*end.*ARGH*.)-, who recorded that bit. I read it in Bussy's book >> _KRAFTWERK: Man, Machine, and Music_, if the information is accurate. >You need glasses. The book says it's Ralf's girlfriend. > >jbv No, perhaps *you're* the one in need of glasses and/or the English translation of the book. The following excerpt taken from Bussy's _Man, Machine, and Music_, p.145 "Side two's opener (or track 4 on the CD) is titled "The Telephone Call" and in keeping with modern technology, it is clear from the sounds that this is a digital exchange. The woman' voice (that of Schneider's girlfriend Sandhya Whaley) at the beginning states that, "The number you have reached has been disconnected"." -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "Du bist mir nah und doch so fern..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) David Holmes samples "The Telephone Call" on new album Date: 14 Oct 1997 20:45:14 +0000 jbv wrote: > > ROBOT wrote: > > > > "The number you have reached has been disconnected." > > > > It was Sandhya Whaley, the luckiest woman in the Universe -(Florian's > > g*rlfr*end.*ARGH*.)-, who recorded that bit. I read it in Bussy's book > > _KRAFTWERK: Man, Machine, and Music_, if the information is accurate. > > > > ROBOT@humboldt1.com > > > > You need glasses. The book says it's Ralf's girlfriend. > > jbv > Sorry, Robot. You were right. I'm the one who needs glasses. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom" Subject: (kw) One Linz ticket for sale Date: 14 Oct 1997 20:53:46 +0100 I have one Linz ticket for sale My friend cancelled in the last minute. anyone interested ? bye. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tobi Subject: (kw) Linz Ticket Date: 14 Oct 1997 20:58:31 +0100 Hello, especially to all the Austrian Kraftwerk-Fans... I have a ticket left for the Kraftwerk gig at Posthof / Linz... No additional profit charge, just pay what I have paid: 290.-- ATS... mailto:tobi@nofrontiere.com First come, first served... Peace, tobi Nofrontiere Design GmbH Zinckgasse 20-22 A-1150 Vienna Austria t +43-1-9855750 f +43-1-98557503 tobi@nofrontiere.com http://www.nofrontiere.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "SP Multimedia - Szathmari.com" Subject: (kw) One Linz ticket for sale Date: 14 Oct 1997 20:32:00 +0100 I have one Linz ticket for sale My friend cancelled in the last minute. anyone interested ? bye. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Y did he leave them? Date: 14 Oct 1997 20:00:57 +0100 > > And after reading this I wonder why he didnt stay with R&F. > I don't know the reason, but slowliness gives me > more time to notice and enjoy my surroundings. quite... but don't you all think Time Pie is the best album you've heard this year? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Have Fun! Date: 14 Oct 1997 15:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Werkers, Just wanted to take this opportunity to drop a quick note to all of you lucky Werkers who'll be attending the Linz and/or Karlsruhe gigs this week. Hope you all have a terrific time and be sure to fill in the details for all the rest of us who were unable to attend due to geographical distance, lack of financing, conflicting schedules, and so forth. I'm sure these two shows will spark plenty of fresh conversation on the list. -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: (kw) Last Reminder: Linz Meeting Date: 14 Oct 1997 21:49:00 +0200 (MEST) Hi! Kraftwerk Mailing List Meeting Linz ################################### Thu, October 16th 1997, 17:00 at Posthof Restaurant "Kult" only two nights to wait..... 12345678 - one - two Gretings zilli ************************************** Alexander Peter Zillner - EDV Beratung Schussweg 8, A-4210 Unterweitersdorf +43-664-2114805, alpezi@zilli.priv.at ************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subrata Bhattacharjee Subject: (kw) kraftwerk Digest V3 #156 -Reply Date: 14 Oct 1997 16:07:32 -0500 >>> Eric Oehler wrote the following about "Time Pie": "I like it a lot so far (I've only listened to it three times). Very VERY kraftwerky in spots. "<<< I just got a copy of Time Pie, too. I like it, although I think the album is really listenable because of the contribution of Mouse on Mars (with the possible exception of "Guiding Ray", which is pretty "Motorik"). And whoa - those liner notes ! Perhaps Wolfgang should have stuck to German... Combine MoM's production on Time Pie with their "Iaora Tahiti" album, and one suspects that they could be the "new" Kraftwerk. Thoughts anybody ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: (kw) Update Pictures and Tourdates Date: 14 Oct 1997 22:26:32 +0200 I have added some concert pictures of both the 27/05/97 and the 13/11/91 concert. Also updated is the Tourdates list (thanks Klaus!) P.S. Zilli has arranged a meeting place in Linz, but is there someone in Karlsruhe who can something at the ZKM?? (Or have I missed some mails on tis issue?). Otherwise: I'll be wearing a Twingo-batch . greetings, Twingo / / Twingo, the Netherlands ----/---/---- http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo / / twingo@xs4all.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Fw: (kw) David Holmes samples "The Telephone Call" on new album Date: 14 Oct 1997 14:16:24 -0700 > > ROBOT wrote: > >> It was Sandhya Whaley, -(Florian's g*rlfr*end.*ARGH*.)-, who recorded > >> that bit. -(SNIP)- -(jbv wrote)- > >You need glasses. The book says it's Ralf's girlfriend. -(Scott Barnhill writes)- > No, perhaps *you're* the one in need of glasses and/or the > English translation of the book. -(SNIP)- Page 145. -(jbv admits)- > Sorry, Robot. You were right. I'm the one who needs glasses. Thank you, Scott! Thank you, jbv! *ahem* You can take your foot out of your mouth now. -(Apology accepted. But, please know that I actually am somewhat visually impaired as well as hard of hearing, and I'd appreciate a little sensitivity on your part. Granted, I can't see well enough to drive, but, I can certainly read text if it's close up in my face, okay? I DO make full use what partial senses I have left.)- When I say Sandhya Whaley is the LUCKIEST woman in the Universe; -dude-, I ain't lyin'. I still don't know if they're actually m*rried, -(!!*grrr*!! I don't WANT to know!)-, but, she is the mother of his daughter.*sigh*. I figure she's about 4 years old by now. Lucky little girl, too! "Daddy? Where's MY studio?" *HeeHee* I've said all this stuff before. Remember, Ralf is married to his Synthesizer. "My wife is my Synthesizer." Lucky Synth! ps: I wish I could buy a ticket to Linz/Karlsruhe. Atleast I'm comforted to know that there are SOME people on this list with spare tickets who are not scalping, but, merely asking for actual cost. Kudos to you rare, honest individuals! Enjoy the Konzert/s for me- I'll be there in spirit. BTW: What TIME are the shows? I need to calculate my timing. Ten hours ahead, right? -(California is on Pacific Daylight time until 2am on the last Sunday morning of this month. Then we "fall back" an hour and get some extra sleep! YAY!)- So, maybe THIS time I'll astral-project myself at the right moment....*sigh*.... I am the Ghost in the Machine. OH! I was told that the "<" ">" marks interfere with my URL. sorry. Here it is again. I'm still WERKing on more stuff to add to my pages. http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot ROBOPEACE & ROBOLOVE! ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (kw) "Better Living Through Circuitry" Documentary Date: 14 Oct 1997 15:15:16 -0600 (MDT) > I read about that film in "Billboard" a few weeks ago--it's being made by > the people behind Cleopatra Records as a way for them to gain > street-credibility (ha!). That's a really good way of summing up the entire history of that label... -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dirk Wied (308389)" Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe help needed ! Date: 15 Oct 1997 00:33:32 +0200 Sorry my english is not so good. I need a way to come to Karlsruhe on next saturday. I live in a smal town near HAMBURG. So is it possible for somebody to take me with you? I pay of course my part on the fuel-bill. Nochmal in deutsch. Also kann mich irgendjemand von Hamburg aus nach Karlsruhe mitnehmen? Waere xtrem nett !!! Bitte eventuelle Meldung bis Donnerstag, thanx # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at Subject: (kw) Thursday 16. 11.: Rien ne va plus Date: 15 Oct 1997 05:11:40 +0200 =20 =20 The Linz-Concert is=20 sold out!=20 =20 sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: RE: (kw) David Holmes samples "The Telephone Call" on new album Date: 15 Oct 1997 07:31:32 +0200 > ROBOT wrote: > > > > "The number you have reached has been disconnected." > > > > It was Sandhya Whaley, the luckiest woman in the Universe > -(Florian's > > g*rlfr*end.*ARGH*.)-, who recorded that bit. I read it in Bussy's > book > > _KRAFTWERK: Man, Machine, and Music_, if the information is > accurate. > > > > ROBOT@humboldt1.com > > > Last time I was on the list (the very short period befor my dissconection) I remember some discussions about the accuracy of the some of the facts in Bussys book. Since I don't have it or know anybody who has, my question is, is it worth bying or would you recomend an other book/books? Regards Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kaoru FUJISHIMA Subject: (kw) Time Pie -bonus track- Date: 15 Oct 1997 14:29:00 +0900 Dear all, Yamo's album 'Time Pie' is going to be released in Japan from the company 'POP BIZ', on 20th October. One bonus track 'MOSQUITO GROOVE Club Mix Steve Baltes' will be add into this CD. (Steve Baltes came to Japan in this February as a menber of 'Ash ra Tempel'! WOW!) I'm very very looking fowerd to listening to this remix. :) With Love, KaoRu *** Kaoru CHIDA-Fujishima *** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) David Holmes samples "The Telephone Call" on new album Date: 15 Oct 1997 00:25:20 -0600 (MDT) On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= wrote: ROBOT wrote: > > > "The number you have reached has been disconnected." > > It was Sandhya Whaley, the luckiest woman in the Universe > -(Florian's > g*rlfr*end.*ARGH*.)-, who recorded that bit. I read it in Bussy's > book > _KRAFTWERK: Man, Machine, and Music_, if the information is > accurate. Just another topic-skewed tidbit I have to throw out. People who like "The Telephone Call" might want to give a listen to "Telefone 529" which I believe is by Musicology and might be on one of the Artificial Intelligence compilation albums. It doesn't sample KW at all or even sound much like KW, yet I consider it "the other Telephone Call". It's the same _kind_ of song. Very similar and yet very different. I like it a lot. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Theremin users Date: 15 Oct 1997 8:20:07 +0100 The swedish pop-group "Daybehavior" also uses a Theremin live! When they pl= ayed=20 at our students union thay where demonstrating its capability though my=20 knowledge of synthesisers is limited they had a new made one with midi outp= ut=20 and they plugged it inte som midi-moog or something so that they live could= use=20 it as a "drum pad" in the air! Pretty Cool! Daybehavior has made a really good cover of "Tour De France! that can be fo= und=20 on one the CD singles of their album "Adored" (they also have a cover of DM= 's=20 see U on the other single...... Best Regards! //Andreas Schuldt=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: Fw: (kw) David Holmes samples "The Telephone Call" on new album Date: 15 Oct 1997 08:37:09 +0000 ROBOT wrote: > > When I say Sandhya Whaley is the > LUCKIEST woman in the Universe; -dude-, I ain't lyin'. I still don't know > if they're actually m*rried, -(!!*grrr*!! I don't WANT to know!)-, but, she > is the mother of his daughter.*sigh*. I figure she's about 4 years old by > now. Lucky little girl, too! "Daddy? Where's MY studio?" *HeeHee* > BTW, where did you get that info ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Books about KW Date: 15 Oct 1997 08:50:21 +0000 Sch=E4der Eric wrote: > Last time I was on the list (the very short period befor my > dissconection) I remember some discussions about the accuracy of the > some of the facts in Bussys book. Since I don't have it or know anybody= > who has, my question is, is it worth bying or would you recomend an > other book/books? > = IMHO, this book is OK for KW beginners. Most of the info is accurate, I think, because Bussy "borrowed" a lot from past interviews of R&F in various mags (especially french) and managed to interview several key people (Schult, Alessandrini, Schmidt, etc.) However, if you've been into KW for a long time, you won't learn much. The only info which might not be 100% accurate are the personal info about R&F. I also had the feeling that Bussy could have made much better on some points, like the musical relationship between KW and the repetitive NY school, how they've been influenced by Gilbert & George, the techno- disco Moroder period, etc. But the problem is that Bussy has always been deep into underground stuff (he used to write in the music zine ATEM in the late 70s) and when he avoids the above mentionned topics, he just shows his ignorance and/or lack of interest. Besides, I don't see any other books specifically on KW (except for the translations I post from time to time ;-) ). There's a couple of books on german rock with parts about KW (I think) like the one by Julian Cope. Hope this helps. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robert.k@daltekvision.se (Robert Krenn) Subject: Re: (kw) David Holmes samples "The Telephone Call" on new album Date: 15 Oct 1997 09:04:22 +0200 Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > The following excerpt taken from Bussy's _Man, Machine, and Music_, p.145 > > "Side two's opener (or track 4 on the CD) is titled "The Telephone > Call" and in keeping with modern technology, it is clear from the sounds > that this is a digital exchange. The woman' voice (that of Schneider's > girlfriend Sandhya Whaley) at the beginning states that, "The number you > have reached has been disconnected"." Remember it's Kraftwerk we are dealing with here, The Man Machine, so Florian must have had a relationship with the mashine at the telephone company that says: "The number you have reached has been disconnected." ;^D //Robert - See you in Karlsruhe! -- - Robert Krenn http://www.daltekvision.se - - tel 1: +46 (0)243 87858 tel 2: +46 (0)243 73504 - - mob: +46 (0)70 5718622 fax: +46 (0)243 85402 - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: AW: (kw) new album: some additional bytes Date: 15 Oct 1997 09:35:43 +0200 salut tim, first in english: the title seems strange to me. in german it would mean something like "to the arlesienne" where "arlesienne" is a woman from the french town arles (provence). but i am not very convienced myself of this translation. ensuite en francais: a mon avis, le titre en allemand serait: "à l' arlesienne" en supposant que arlesienne signifie "femme venant d' arles" ... mais j'en suis pas trop sur de cette traduction. best regards, andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH Information Design Schubertstraße 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Timour Jgenti [SMTP:timour.jgenti@hol.fr] Gesendet am: Sonntag, 12. Oktober 1997 00:02 An: kraftwerk@xmission.com Betreff: (kw) new album: some additional bytes Hi, I've read in the french magazine CODa (october issue) a little paragraph about Kraftwerk. They say that "according the informations given by EMI the release date of the new Kraftwerk album was delayed (we noticed THAT) and now scheduled for January 1998"... The article was entitled: KRAFTWERK "Der Arlesienne". I guess this title is nothing but some author's fantasy. What could it mean otherwise? Tim -- timour.jgenti@hol.fr ------------------- timour.jgenti@ifp.fr ------------------- http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Louwers" Subject: (kw) Gedanke/Thought Date: 15 Oct 1997 10:01:15 MET When it's possible to hold a mailing list members meeting in Karlsruhe and/or Linze, why not meet some time later in Dusseldorf, block the Mintropastrasse and demand the release of the new Kraftwerk album? By the way: to my knowledge 'Le Arlesienne' is a painting by Vincent van Gogh, who stayed for two years in Arles. 'da da da' Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Gedanke/Thought Date: 15 Oct 1997 10:41:18 +0000 Stefan Louwers wrote: > > When it's possible to hold a mailing list members meeting in > Karlsruhe and/or Linze, why not meet some time later in Dusseldorf, > block the Mintropastrasse and demand the release of the new Kraftwerk > album? > yeah ! GREAT idea ! Let's all make a demonstration in front of the KK studio, singing "free the new KW album !" > By the way: to my knowledge 'Le Arlesienne' is a painting by Vincent > van Gogh, who stayed for two years in Arles. > I'm not sure, but I had the feeling that all those postings about "l'Arlesienne" was a tongue-in-cheek thing... Anyway, and even if it's wasted bandwidth, I must tell you that in french, "L'arlesienne" is a local expression, an idiom referring to something everybody is waiting for but which never comes. I guess it's a reference to some musical from the beginning of the 20th century, but I'm not sure... Anyone ? If you want, it's a little bit like Napoleon waiting for Blucher in Waterloo... BTW, I've heard that the new KW album would be called "Godot" ;-) jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) newbie Date: 15 Oct 1997 13:06:14 +0100 Hi! It doesnt seem like this list is active but I'll try to see if there are an= y=20 people there anyway. I have a question: Is it possible to access a POP server from a computer=20 connected to an Notes server? I can send Email using the Lotus Notes progra= m=20 but I dont know if it's possible to get access to my account on an POPserve= r on=20 the net! Anyone Knows ? Best Regards! //Andreas Schuldt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ea94rema@ihh.hj.se (MARKUS REINEVIK) Subject: (kw) Toccata Electronica Date: 15 Oct 1997 13:57:56 + 100 Hi fellow werkers! My name's Marcus and I'm pretty new at this list (joined it a few weeks ago). I'm from Sweden and have listen to robotic sounds since I was 9 years old. (Just in case anyone wanted to know!) Now, here's my problem which I hope that someone could help me solving! I have an old cassette containing "Toccata Electronica". Unfortunately I don't have the right/full titels of the song versions on this recording. Could anyone of you werkers please mail the full content of this recording. I would be very grateful! Marcus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J|rgen B|rjesson Subject: Re: (kw) Toccata Electronica Date: 15 Oct 1997 13:49:33 +0200 (MET DST) > I have an old cassette containing "Toccata Electronica". > Unfortunately I don't have the right/full titels of the song versions > on this recording. Could anyone of you werkers please mail the full > content of this recording. I would be very grateful! Ok, here we go: Kraftwerk - Toccata Electronica Computer World (robotron mix) Tour de France (orig 1983 Kevorkian ext 12" remix) Technopop (1983 version) Metropolis (machine version) (live Utrecht 10.12.81) The Model (cathonic mix) Neon Lights (ton-up mix) Pocket Calculator (east-west mix) Zehn Kleine Negerlein Radioactivity (Kevorkian 12" remix) (demo) Die Roboter (special German Kling-Klang mix) Les Mannequins (orig 1978 ext French remix) Dentaku (orig 1981 ext remix) Tour de France (orig 1983 German Kling-Klang version) Stratovarius (live Bremen 21.6.71) /jorgen 'Music is organized noise' Ralf Huetter, Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: Re: (kw) Toccata Electronica Date: 15 Oct 1997 13:50:29 +0200 Hi, >I have an old cassette containing "Toccata Electronica". >Unfortunately I don't have the right/full titels of the song versions >on this recording. Could anyone of you werkers please mail the full >content of this recording. I would be very grateful! The tracks are: 1. Computer World (Robotron-mix) 2. Tour de France (Orig 1983 Kevorkian Ext. 12" Remix) 3. Techno Pop (1983 Version) 4. Metropolis (Machine-version) Live Utrecht 10.12.81 5. The model (Catbonic-mix) 6. Neon Lights (Ton-up-mix) 7. Pocket Calculator (East-west-mix) 8. Zehn Kleine Negerlein <--- No Kraftwerk track 9. Radioactivity (Kevorkian 12" - Remix) 10. (demo) Die Roboter (special german Kling-Klang-remix) 11. Les Mannequins (orig. 1978 ext. french-remix) 12. Dentaku (orig.1981 Ext-remix) 13. Tour de France (Orig.1983 german Kling-Klang-version) 14. Stratovarius (Live in Bremen 21.6.71) taken from a japan-only-cd-release <--- the sound quality of this track is horrible!! I like very much this bootleg!!! ;-) Regards Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: Re: (kw) newbie Date: 15 Oct 1997 14:19:07 +0200 (MEST) Hi! On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 bs.lovepac@nolato.se wrote: > It doesnt seem like this list is active but I'll try to see if there are any > people there anyway. This list is active........... > I have a question: Is it possible to access a POP server from a computer > connected to an Notes server? I can send Email using the Lotus Notes program > but I dont know if it's possible to get access to my account on an POPserver on > the net! If you have installed the SMTP Gateway for Lotus Notes, the answer is yes...... 12345678 - one - two Greetings from Austria zilli ************************************** Alexander Peter Zillner - EDV Beratung Schussweg 8, A-4210 Unterweitersdorf +43-664-2114805, alpezi@zilli.priv.at ************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) I'm Back Date: 15 Oct 1997 15:40:18 +0000 Well thank you to ROBOT and RA for responding to me personally in order to check my e:mail system, these were received OK. Unfortunately, when my mail system crashed I was also logged off the Kraftwerk list.......but now I'm back! What's been happening over the last week whilst I have been away? Still all talking about the new album? I think it is great, I got my promo copy on Saturday, real quality if you ask me. Check out the following web site for limited copies: www.skint.emi.bizarre.kw/mega/trick/htm or e:mail: 2000@great.british.pounds.to.c.land Spotted the hoax yet!.............just thought I would make an impression now I am back. Best Regards to you all,.....really! Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) sorry! Date: 15 Oct 1997 17:41:53 +0100 sorry about my last mail it was of course intended for another list! //Andreas Schuldt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Vavavoum auf der Autobahn Date: 15 Oct 1997 17:59:09 +0000 To all the little people of the internet : I'm about to leave to the KW gigs. I'm gonna step into my little french car, and vavavoom beep-beep vrrrrr all the way through Germany auf der Autobahn. Actually, there's a terrible weather here : pouring cold rain and lots of wind. From here to Linz to Karlsruhe to here, I'll drive about 2500 km in these conditions... All of you who don't go to the shows, do you realize how lucky you are to be able to stay in your warm and cozy homes ? bye. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: Re: (kw) One Karlsruhe ticket for sale Date: 15 Oct 1997 17:55:47 +0100 At 05:57 PM 10/14/97 +0200, Leon Mols wrote: > >I seem to have one spare ticket for the Karlsruhe event. > >So if anyone of you out there needs one, contact me! >I will be going alone and I have two tickets. > >Leon > Heb je die nog??? Dan graag! Later, Statik. -- Feel tha Bazz in yo Face. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robert.k@daltekvision.se (Robert Krenn) Subject: Re: (kw) addition to the list (was: meeting in karlsruhe) Date: 15 Oct 1997 19:15:27 +0200 > The list of people below ARE these guests. > Here's my addition to the list : 1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com 2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de 3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com 4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net 5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net 6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se 7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at 8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl 9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de 10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com 11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de 12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no 13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl 14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl 15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl 16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl 17 Maureen Jansen - 18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl 19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de 20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org 21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se 22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se 23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se 24 Rickard Hidefjäll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se 25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org 26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org 27 Conny Fornbäck conny.annica@wineasy.se 28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se 29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de 30 Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch 31 Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk 32 EDUARDO MONTEIRO (BRASIL) 97fm@colatina.com.br 33 Monique Chong} usura@pacific.net.sg 34 Denise Chong } 35 Bettina Hartnacke beha@net-media.de (not on mailing list ;) 36 Andreas Schepers schepers@net-media.de 37 joerg ferber ferber@uni-muenster.de 38 \ 39 -> jbv + 2 friends (including one girl) jbv.silences@wanadoo.fr 40 / 41 Robert Krenn robert.k@daltekvision.se (aka RobertK :) //Robert - so I still don't know where to meet! PLEASE TELL ME! -- - Robert Krenn http://www.daltekvision.se - - tel 1: +46 (0)243 87858 tel 2: +46 (0)243 73504 - - mob: +46 (0)70 5718622 fax: +46 (0)243 85402 - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fer Subject: Re: (kw) Vavavoum auf der Autobahn Date: 15 Oct 1997 20:43:08 +0200 >All of you who don't go to the shows, do you realize how lucky you are >to be able to stay in your warm and cozy homes ? ggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr -- Fer fgoiriz@arrakis.es # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gjalass@berlin.snafu.de (Gert Jalass) Subject: (kw) ZKM concert on TV Date: 15 Oct 1997 19:10:12 GMT Hi all, parts of the Kraftwerk concert at the ZKM, Karlsruhe, Oct 18th 1997 are planned to be broadcasted on the German/Swiss/Austrian TV channel 3sat ( found in the "focus" article featuring the ZKM museum ). I don't know how trustworthy this information is - but at least a unattended VCR could join in the broadcast. Gert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Orchestron or Optigan? Date: 15 Oct 1997 20:13:17 +0100 OK, I've read several times in this list that the choir sound on 'Radioactivity' was provided by a Vako Orchestron. However, according to The "Long-Lost Cousins" section ( http://www.pilot.com/optigan/cousins.html ) of the "Optiganally Yours" homepage:- > The Orchestron was originally developed by Opsonar around the time that the > Optigan was on its death bed. The idea was to adapt the Optigan's technology > into a more "professional" quality instrument which could compete with the > Mellotron. After initial development by Opsonar, the > Orchestron was adopted by Dave VanKoevering, formerly of Moog Music. His > company, Vako, > produced the Orchestron in a variety of models for a couple years >starting in > about 1976 until it > too kicked the bucket. Wasn't this a year after the 'Radio-Activity' album was released? So wouldn't it have been an Optigan ( http://www.pilot.com/optigan/ ) that was used, not an Orchestron? Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Subject: WG: (kw) addition to the list (was: meeting in karlsruhe) Date: 15 Oct 1997 19:49:33 +0200 > The list of people below ARE these guests. > Here's my addition to the list : 1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com 2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de 3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com 4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net 5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net 6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se 7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at 8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl 9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de 10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com 11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de 12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no 13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl 14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl 15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl 16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl 17 Maureen Jansen - 18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl 19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de 20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org 21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se 22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se 23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se 24 Rickard Hidefjall ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se 25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org 26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org 27 Conny Fornback conny.annica@wineasy.se 28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se 29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de 30 Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch 31 Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk 32 EDUARDO MONTEIRO (BRASIL) 97fm@colatina.com.br 33 Monique Chong} usura@pacific.net.sg 34 Denise Chong } 35 Bettina Hartnacke beha@net-media.de (not on mailing list ;) 36 Andreas Schepers schepers@net-media.de 37 joerg ferber ferber@uni-muenster.de 38 \ 39 -> jbv + 2 friends (including one girl) jbv.silences@wanadoo.fr 40 / 41 Robert Krenn robert.k@daltekvision.se (aka RobertK :) 42 Oliver Kess and friends oliver_k@bigfoot.com //Robert - so I still don't know where to meet! PLEASE TELL ME! -- - Robert Krenn http://www.daltekvision.se - - tel 1: +46 (0)243 87858 tel 2: +46 (0)243 73504 - - mob: +46 (0)70 5718622 fax: +46 (0)243 85402 - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Weustink Subject: Re: (kw) addition to the list (was: meeting in karlsruhe) Date: 15 Oct 1997 23:33:01 +0100 Hello, Ive added my name to the list, last minute, on 42 > > The list of people below ARE these guests. > > > Here's my addition to the list : > 1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com > 2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de > 3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com > 4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net > 5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net > 6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se > 7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at > 8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl > 9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de > 10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com > 11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de > 12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no > 13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl > 14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl > 15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl > 16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl > 17 Maureen Jansen - > 18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl > 19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de > 20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org > 21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se > 22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se > 23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se > 24 Rickard Hidefj=E4ll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se > 25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org > 26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org > 27 Conny Fornb=E4ck conny.annica@wineasy.se > 28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se > 29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de > 30 Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch > 31 Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk > 32 EDUARDO MONTEIRO (BRASIL) 97fm@colatina.com.br > 33 Monique Chong} usura@pacific.net.sg > 34 Denise Chong } > 35 Bettina Hartnacke beha@net-media.de (not on mailing list ;= ) > 36 Andreas Schepers schepers@net-media.de > 37 joerg ferber ferber@uni-muenster.de > 38 \ > 39 -> jbv + 2 friends (including one girl) jbv.silences@wanadoo.fr > 40 / > > 41 Robert Krenn robert.k@daltekvision.se (aka RobertK := ) > 42 Bob Weustink bwe@xs4all.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) German TV Show on the ZKM, Karlsruhe Date: 15 Oct 1997 18:32:31 -0400 Attn German-Swiss-Austrian Members, just wanted to repost what Klaus Zaep= ke already advised. Pls set your VCR to: 16.10. S 3 22:20 *"Kultur S=FCdwest" extra* -22:50 [4-544-158] Ideenschmiede, Hightech-Labor und Museum - Das = Zentrum f=FCr Kunst und Medientechnologie (ZKM) in = Karlsruhe wird er=F6ffnet See ya all in Karlsruhe ! Roland (and 4 other Swiss guys) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hiroshi MURATA Subject: (kw) A KW article on VIBE Date: 16 Oct 1997 08:45:59 +0900 Hi 'Werkers, October issue of American magazine "VIBE" has a short writing about Kraftwerk, with a photo picked up from "The Man Machine". Refer page 184 if you have a copy. Writing is very retrospective & mainly on their history. No noe essence is found in it. For Japanese readers : The magazine can be found at several CD shops which focus on imported items, such as HMV, Tower Records, Wave, etc. I got a copy at HMV at 690 yen. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo, Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hiroshi MURATA Subject: Re: (kw) A KW article on VIBE Date: 16 Oct 1997 08:54:55 +0900 Sorry, just a typo. > Writing is very retrospective & mainly on their history. > No noe essence is found in it. ^^^ I meant "new" here. :-) Regards, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo, Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Vavavoum auf der Autobahn Date: 15 Oct 1997 17:19:22 -0700 -(jbv brags)- > >All of you who don't go to the shows, do you realize how lucky you are > >to be able to stay in your warm and cozy homes ? -(Fermin sez)- > ggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr > -- > Fer > fgoiriz@arrakis.es -(ROBOT sez)- *TH-H-B-B-B-B-PT-T*! Big Fat ROBORASPBERRY!*grrrr*! Yeah- I hope he gets a flat on the AUTOBAHN and has to change tires in the pouring rain. Aw-w-w, poor baby. He'll have to go to the Konzert dripping wet and risk getting ZAP-FRIED by all that EleKtroniK Equipment. Lucky MF. *AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH*! Byte me! *snicker* =OHM SWEET OHM= http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace I just finished my brief intro to KW page to quickly answer the all-too-common question: "What is KRAFTWERK?". -(doesn't that make you CRINGE when people ask that?*nRYk*!)- I'm also editing my Links List to add tonight or tomorrow. Then I'll finish my "BioSynThesis" and Family PiX and more ArtWERK. When it's more complete in a few days, I'd like to join the KW WebRing, if y'all don't mind a little light-hearted slightly irreverent KW humor.*HeeHee*. Don't worry, it's all "G" rated. I'll save the X-rated Drawings and Fantasies for "alt.sex.fetish.robots".*giggle*. Just don't tell R&F.... Uh-oh! I'm busted. "I plead insanity, Your Honor. I'm just KRAZY about those ROBOTS!" -(maniacal hysterics)- ps: 'Just kidding, guys. really. ;] ROBOWINKY ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Theremin users Date: 15 Oct 1997 19:15:07 -0600 (MDT) On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 bs.lovepac@nolato.se wrote: > The swedish pop-group "Daybehavior" also uses a Theremin live! When they played > at our students union thay where demonstrating its capability though my > knowledge of synthesisers is limited they had a new made one with midi output > and they plugged it inte som midi-moog or something so that they live could use > it as a "drum pad" in the air! Pretty Cool! That's a neat idea. They must have added a device to translate the pitch and volume generated by the Theremin into MIDI signals. The same principle could be used to play any MIDI-compatible instrument by waving your hands around. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk Digest V3 #156 -Reply Date: 15 Oct 1997 21:03:20 -0400 >>> Combine MoM's production on Time Pie with their "Iaora Tahiti" album, and one suspects that they could be the "new" Kraftwerk. Thoughts anybody? <<< Definitely sounds intriguing, although I've yet to hear Yamo, and I hate Cleopatra Records. They could call themselves along the lines of Kraftwerk II. After all, there's Big Audio Dynamite II, Electric Light Orchestra Part II, and so forth. It could be the next big thing, and the largest step forward, just like you-know-who did over 20 years ago. Speaking of 2-year-old albums, isn't it absolutely mind-boggling that TEE and RA were done over 20 years ago and are still as fresh and innovative as ever? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thorsten Dowe Subject: Re: (kw) German TV Show on the ZKM, Karlsruhe Date: 16 Oct 1997 09:17:39 +0200 > Pls set your VCR to: >=20 > 16.10. S 3 22:20 *"Kultur S=FCdwest" extra* > -22:50 [4-544-158] > Ideenschmiede, Hightech-Labor und Museum - Das > Zentrum f=FCr Kunst und Medientechnologie (ZKM) i= n > Karlsruhe wird er=F6ffnet >=20 well, that's really interesting if the concert is on Saturday (18.10). Is it only the opening of the ZKM? regards=20 Thorsten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Withers Jerry PN SAP Subject: AW: (kw) addition to the list (was: meeting in karlsruhe) Date: 16 Oct 1997 09:59:00 +0200 >> > The list of people below ARE these guests. >> > >> Here's my addition to the list : >> 1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com >> 2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de >> 3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com >> 4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net >> 5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net >> 6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se >> 7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at >> 8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl >> 9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de >> 10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com >> 11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de >> 12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no >> 13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl >> 14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl >> 15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl >> 16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl >> 17 Maureen Jansen - >> 18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl >> 19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de >> 20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org >> 21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se >> 22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se >> 23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se >> 24 Rickard Hidefj=E4ll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se >> 25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org >> 26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org >> 27 Conny Fornb=E4ck conny.annica@wineasy.se >> 28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se >> 29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de >> 30 Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch >> 31 Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk >> 32 EDUARDO MONTEIRO (BRASIL) 97fm@colatina.com.br >> 33 Monique Chong} usura@pacific.net.sg >> 34 Denise Chong } >> 35 Bettina Hartnacke beha@net-media.de (not on mailing list = ;) >> 36 Andreas Schepers schepers@net-media.de >> 37 joerg ferber ferber@uni-muenster.de >> 38 \ >> 39 -> jbv + 2 friends (including one girl) = jbv.silences@wanadoo.fr >> 40 / >> >> 41 Robert Krenn robert.k@daltekvision.se (aka RobertK = :) >> 42 Bob Weustink bwe@xs4all.nl > 43 Jerry Withers jerry.withers@pn.siemens.de > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) 2 hours! Date: 16 Oct 1997 08:31:15 +0100 Hi!=20 =20 Just wanted to tell you that my train to Karlsruhe =20 leaves in less than two hours! : )=20 =20 Mats=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: (kw) meeting in karlsruhe Date: 16 Oct 1997 04:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Hi, all below: << >1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com >2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de >3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com >4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net >5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net >6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se >7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at >8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl >9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de >10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com >11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de >12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no >13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl >14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl >15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl >16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl >17 Maureen Jansen - >18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl >19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de >20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org >21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se >22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se >23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se >24 Rickard Hidefjaell ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se >25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org >26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org >27 Conny Fornbaeck conny.annica@wineasy.se >28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se >29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de >30 Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch >31 Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk >32 EDUARDO MONTEIRO (BRASIL) 97fm@colatina.com.br >33 Monique Chong} usura@pacific.net.sg >34 Denise Chong } - - >35 Bettina Hartnacke beha@net-media.de (not on mailing list ;) >36 Andreas Schepers schepers@net-media.de 37 joerg ferber ferber@uni-muenster.de 38 \ 39 -> jbv + 2 friends (including one girl) jbv.silences@wanadoo.fr 40 / >> what about meeting somewhere (or ate the ZKM) BEFORE the show ? I don't know where to go (after the show) in Karlsruhe, because I've never been there before. I'll arrive at Karlsruhe sometimes (15-16h) afternoon. So, I've time enough to visit the city. If anyone arrives there early, too - let's plan anything (perhaps). Carsten Bolte. Kiel. (now Brunsbuettel). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Can't sleep.... Date: 16 Oct 1997 01:50:49 -0700 Right about now, they're on they're way to linz, setting up, doing a sound check, etc, and the Konzert will start in a few hours.... and again on Saturday at Karlsruhe. *AAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH* Beam me UP! NOW! I don't feel like WERKing on my HomePage anymore. But, I can't sleep- I'm picking up NEW signals from Kling Klang and it's driving me insane. -(As if I'm not already. Yes, I know.)- Guten nacht! Ralf! Florian! Ich LIEBE Dich! ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: (kw) some remarks Date: 16 Oct 1997 12:35:18 -0700 hi, i'm back on the list after a couple of weeks abroad (hunting for kw-records). for all new members and everyone else: i'm werner, 30, die-hard kw-record-collector, karlsruhe-ticket owner. i've read all digest-versions since 1.08. (from no. 115 to 157) in the last few days. so many interesting info, that's why i love that list. nevertheless some remarks: - technopop doesn't exist, neither vinyl nor acetate nor anything else - the kw 1-, kw 2- and r&f-bootlegs are very well done. you can distinguish them from the originals by the cover. they have a thick cover and they are not really white but more 'creme-white' (esp. r&f) but they are almost perfect (at least the ones i've seen) they are sold in los angeles for 30$ each (vinyl fetish, vermont street) which is half the price of the original german version (vinyl fetish, melrose str.) - somebody mentioned a yamo - time pie promo version. i've bought the cd in a virgin store, sealed, with a red sticker 'featuring wolfgang fluer ex-kraftwerk' and a completely different cover design to the german version: a pic of fluer wearing some 'headphones' and sunglasses on the front, a clock on the back. it's from hypnotic ('a divison of the anti-christ' - god, i like that expression) 0119-2. is this the regular us-version? - why are so many listmembers concerned about bootlegging the 2 gigs? since the very last record dealer has realized that he can earn big bucks by selling kw-records there will be bootlegs from every future kw-concert within month. i've been to a record fair in rendsburg (schleswig-holstein, northern germany) last sunday and every cd-dealer offered 'lebendige menschen' (35,- dm). i bet one annual salary that we will get a bootleg from the mixboard (probably from a listmember) from either karlsruhe or linz. - robotronik/uebermensch is the worst remix-bootleg i've ever heard. it's even worse than the vinyl kraftwerk-edition I (which is really awful). - i've bought a 'crosstalk' mcd in a digipack. it looks like the limited version, same number, same cover design, same cd-design but...it's not limited. there's no sticker 'ltd. edition of 5000' and no number on the back. any idea? - i'm leaving for karlsruhe on friday (visiting parents in cologne first). can you imagine how i feel? remember the hours before the luton gig. all those bye-listies-i'm-on-my-way-to-luton-to-have-a-good-time e-mails. not that i'm gonna blame anyone for that. but i felt so bad and now: yuuppieedooo! i'm on MY way to see them for the third time! sorry, i have to keep calm, it's a 500 miles trip - what about the meeting in karlsruhe? i'm number 4x on that list but where will we meet? let's see... regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) 6 hours left... Date: 16 Oct 1997 14:50:51 +0200 ...till Linz. Can't await it. In two hours I'll be driving on the autobahn... . I hope they will come. Georgie ________________________________________________________ Music Non Stop - Techno Pop...Kraftwerk - 16.10. - 20:00 - Posthof Linz -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Terrible nightmare! Date: 16 Oct 1997 14:49:04 +0200 Had a worse hightmare this night. It was at the Linz Gig and I was able to smuggle my camera into the hall. The robot-voice started..."Meine Damen und Herren..."Kraftwerk came and played. I took some nice shots. But then there were two securities and they kidnaped me! Oh god...i think i leave my camera at home, today. Phew... Georgie ________________________________________________________ Music Non Stop - Techno Pop...Kraftwerk - 16.10. - 20:00 - Posthof Linz -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in the news... Date: 16 Oct 1997 14:45:23 +0200 Kraftwerk is mentioned with a little article in the actual edition of the austrian magazine "Profil". Georgie ________________________________________________________ Music Non Stop - Techno Pop...Kraftwerk - 16.10. - 20:00 - Posthof Linz -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Olf Ranthiz Subject: (kw) support bact in karlsruhe Date: 16 Oct 1997 02:27:13 +0200 Karlsruhe's local news paper says that kraftwerk will be opened by daft punk who also are said to be dj's for kraftwerk as they are said to play their ENTIRE! new album which is to be released in early 1998!! sounds like good news !!!! (if it is only true and not just rumours!) -- take care tf ************************************************************* "Drinking and smoking are bad for the health" -Charles Bukowski # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe meeting Date: 16 Oct 1997 14:11:32 +0200 (MET DST) What about a meeting in front of the ZKM at 17:00? 40 people on the meeting list but no meeting place, it's a shame. Twingo (wearing a badge) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: AW: (kw) support bact in karlsruhe Date: 16 Oct 1997 14:50:24 +0200 daft punk would be great! see you in karlsruhe -as ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH Information Design Schubertstraße 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Olf Ranthiz [SMTP:tf@ibt.etec.uni-karlsruhe.de] Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 16. Oktober 1997 02:27 An: kraftwerk@xmission.com Betreff: (kw) support bact in karlsruhe Karlsruhe's local news paper says that kraftwerk will be opened by daft punk who also are said to be dj's for kraftwerk as they are said to play their ENTIRE! new album which is to be released in early 1998!! sounds like good news !!!! (if it is only true and not just rumours!) -- take care tf ************************************************************* "Drinking and smoking are bad for the health" -Charles Bukowski # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: Re: (kw) meeting in karlsruhe Date: 16 Oct 1997 15:15:56 +0200 The Stockholm - Karlsruhe Kraftwerk Express is departing in a few hours, so I won't be able to know whatever you make up concerning where and when to meet.=20 In previous mails there was talk about a post-kraftwerk-club somewhere nearby ZKM. We'll probably be there afterwards. Well, take care on the=20 Autobahn...=20 /anders (you'll reach me on the number +46 708 181684) > what about meeting somewhere (or ate the ZKM) BEFORE the show ? > I don't know where to go (after the show) in Karlsruhe, because I've ne= ver > been there before. I'll arrive at Karlsruhe sometimes (15-16h) afternoo= n. > So, I've time enough to visit the city. If anyone arrives there early, = too - > let's plan anything (perhaps). >=20 --=20 ********************************************************************* * Anders Wilhelm * mail:trafo@analogue.org * * N=FCklear research * http://www.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm * * Sweden * /~dvlawm/kraftwerk *=20 ********************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) support bact in karlsruhe Date: 16 Oct 1997 14:15:16 +0000 Dont be daft,....punk! Only kidding, well if you guys going to these concerts will also be blessed with DF, then I am really envious now. If only I had some holiday left, I would have bought one of those spare tickets......anyone got a tissue,...boo,hoo!!! Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Olf Ranthiz Subject: (kw) daft punk is support act in karlsruhe ! Date: 16 Oct 1997 15:01:48 +0100 Daft punk as support act has been confirmed! -- take care tf ************************************************************* "Drinking and smoking are bad for the health" -Charles Bukowski # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Olf Ranthiz Subject: (kw) to all karlsruhe travvellers, meeting. Date: 16 Oct 1997 15:05:00 +0100 I suggest a meetin at my place which is a 10 minutes footwalk from the zkm. adress is luisenstr # 9. vis a vis the queens hotel. tel/fax 0721/387969. -- take care tf ************************************************************* "Drinking and smoking are bad for the health" -Charles Bukowski # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robert.k@daltekvision.se (Robert Krenn) Subject: (kw) I'm off to Karlsruhe! Date: 16 Oct 1997 16:03:08 +0200 Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....... Bye! /Robert - Trans Europe Express... -- - Robert Krenn http://www.daltekvision.se - - tel 1: +46 (0)243 87858 tel 2: +46 (0)243 73504 - - mob: +46 (0)70 5718622 fax: +46 (0)243 85402 - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: AW: (kw) daft punk is support act in karlsruhe ! Date: 16 Oct 1997 16:27:12 +0200 i wonder if dp have canceled their gig in nancy/france to perform in karlsruhe. (refer to: http://www.vmg.co.uk/gigs/daftpunk.html ) perhaps they can manage to perform at both places ?! who knows ?! ;) anyway, what a night.... cu there, andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH Information Design Schubertstraße 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Olf Ranthiz [SMTP:tf@ibt.etec.uni-karlsruhe.de] Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 16. Oktober 1997 16:02 An: twingo@xs4all.nl Cc: kraftwerk@xmission.com Betreff: (kw) daft punk is support act in karlsruhe ! Daft punk as support act has been confirmed! -- take care tf ************************************************************* "Drinking and smoking are bad for the health" -Charles Bukowski # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: (kw) Won't make it to Karlsruhe Date: 16 Oct 1997 07:58:27 PDT It turns out I won't be able to make it to Karlsruhe after all. My flight was overbooked I and my 3 friends couldn't make it. I'm still at the airport trying to find another flight over, but I don't think I will. For all you lucky people that are gonna be able to go, good luck. For all of you who arn't going to make it, I feel your pain. For Ralf and Florian, please tour the USA!!! Even if it is only New York, Chicago and California. For people that can never afford to travel, or can never make it (like me) Oh well, In a few hours KW will be playing at Linz (I think) and I'll just imagine that I'm there............... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: M.SCHMIDT@top.east.de (Marko Schmidt) Subject: (kw) new Domain Date: 15 Oct 1997 17:41:00 +0200 Hallo , my Homepage is under the new Domain : www.mdis.de/private/Kraftwerk/ -- Mit elektrischen Gr=FC=DFen,=B7 Marko=B7 GermanKraft die deutsche Kraftwerk-Homepage: www.mdis.de/privat/kraftwerk/ # # ##### ##### ##### ##### # # ##### ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ### #### ##### #### # # # # ### #### ### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ##### # # # # ## CrossPoint v3.11 ## # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: (kw) Linz Gig Report Date: 16 Oct 1997 23:24:29 +0200 (MEST) Hi! Track List Linz: Nummern Computerwelt Heimcomputer The Man Machine Tour de France Autobahn Aetherwellen New Song Radioaktivitaet New Song Trans Europa Express Abzug Metall auf Metall Taschenrechner Die Roboter Luton Song Musique non Stop Total Concert Length: 124 Minutes Specials: Video Problems at the beginning of The Man Machine Italian Lyrics during Taschenrechner (*) Heavy Video Sreen Problems at the beginning of Die Roboter, Screen in front of Robot Florian didnt move down, after 2 Minutes time it did, also Problems with the video screen before Robot Fritz... Robots Henning, Fritz and Florian did not work. Ralf smiling all the time, waving his hands on the beginning of almost every song, shakeing with the italian guys in the front row during Taschenrechner and doing some kind of small "monkey-dance" and put his right leg on his console at the beginnig of the Luton Song also Henning went over to ralfs console and did some kind of thing there for about 15 seconds. (*) Thanks to the italian guys in the front row, who made the italian lyrics possible during Taschenrechner....... Great Concert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 ...who wants to continue?....... ************************************** Alexander Peter Zillner - EDV Beratung Schussweg 8, A-4210 Unterweitersdorf +43-664-2114805, alpezi@zilli.priv.at ************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: (kw) Linz Mailing List Meeting Report Date: 16 Oct 1997 23:35:16 +0200 (MEST) Hi! Present Persons: Josef Gabler Friend of Josef Gabler Georg Jajus Adam Read Florian Schneider (!!!!!!!) Klaus Zaepke Johann Zawrel Alexander Peter Zillner Sabine Zillner Thank you very much to all of the above persons, who made this meeting possible, and specially to Mr. Florian Schneider for talking with us.... ......to be continued....... ************************************** Alexander Peter Zillner - EDV Beratung Schussweg 8, A-4210 Unterweitersdorf +43-664-2114805, alpezi@zilli.priv.at ************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Linz Gig Report Date: 16 Oct 1997 17:59:55 -0400 (EDT) >Track List Linz: > >Nummern >Computerwelt >Heimcomputer >The Man Machine >Tour de France >Autobahn >Aetherwellen Wow, "Airwaves" live! That must have been a treat indeed! >New Song >Radioaktivitaet >New Song Two new songs in addition to the one they played at the Tribal Gathering, huh? Well, as you can already guess, our next request is that some of you who were lucky enough to be there describe the new songs for us!! >Trans Europa Express >Abzug >Metall auf Metall >Taschenrechner >Die Roboter >Luton Song >Musique non Stop Sounds fantastic, all in all. Thanks Alex for posting so speedily. I look forward to hearing what the others have to say about the show. -- Scott nebulous@erols.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) Linz Mailing List Meeting Report Date: 16 Oct 1997 23:58:26 +0200 At 23:35 1997-10-16 +0200, Alexander Peter Zillner wrote: > >Hi! > >Present Persons: > >Florian Schneider (!!!!!!!) ARGH! >Thank you very much to all of the above persons, who made this meeting >possible, and specially to Mr. Florian Schneider for talking with us.... I just died... TWICE!!! Hmm. Wonder if there was Mr. Schneider that went by bus from Tribal Gathering sitting in the seat in front of me.. I saw them all everywhere a week after the concert ;) //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Alexander - The great ///Linz set list//List meeting in Karlsruhe Date: 16 Oct 1997 19:45:20 -0400 Hallo Alexander (The Great) Du bist die "Stimme der Energie"! Thanks for posting the set list....I w= as about to go to sleep and just thought I quickly check if someone has post= ed something already. DANKESCHOEN! Track List Linz: Aetherwellen WOW, Aetherwellen!!! What a neat surprise.... Was it a techno-ed up version, or faithful to the original`? I am listening to it right now.... "Wenn Wellen schwingen ferne Stimmen singen" New Song New Song Luton Song A double treat for Austria (and the Luton song as a bonus)! Does that mea= n they play their FULL album for us in Karlsruhe ;-) ????? Specials: Video Problems at the beginning of The Man Machine Heavy Video Sreen Problems at the beginning of Die Roboter, Screen in front of Robot Florian didnt move down, after 2 Minutes time it did, al= so Problems with the video screen before Robot Fritz... Robots Henning, Fritz and Florian did not work. Hey rOBot, I think your intergalactic californian rOBoVibeS did REALLY d= o some serious damage over there in Austria! Can you please restrain from doing that again when they play Karlsruhe ;-= ) ?I know you are upset, but I promise they play the USA soon........ (well.....maybe)! Hey, waaay cool that KW joined the list meeting in Linz. Is Florian readi= ng the list and did he just pop over to you guys???????? Very cool of him. Sooooo....DID YOU ASK WHEN THE NEW ALBUM IS COMING OUT? DID HE GIVE YOU A= PROMO? And yes....I want a copy NOW! Did you guys all freeze when Floria= n joined the party??? Hope you had time to share a beer.... Speaking of LIST MEETINGS...... Oliver Ranthiz, thanks for posting your address as a meeting point before the Konzert. Since we Swiss are staying= opposite your place at the Queens Hotel, we should be popping over at 5-6= pm ish, is that ok for you? I'll try to bring a copy of my Tribal Gathering bootleg (This has tonight become a kinda BOF (Boring Old Fart) item, wit= h all the new concerts taking place...but stil... and maybe a Daft Punk one....HELL, I even bootlegged THEM in Luton.... = See ya all at Olivers place, at the concert (I am the one with the mic sticking out of his baseball hat...do NOT talk to me during the concert...), backstage (!) or at the "Temporaere Zone" after the concert...or back on the list again! C-Ya! Roland = (30 hours before leaving for Karlsruhe) PS: Traffic alert! There is also the Karlsruher FC-FC Bayern Muenchen gam= e on the same day...be there early then.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) 3SAT German TV Update re Opening of ZKM Date: 16 Oct 1997 19:45:16 -0400 Hi all Another update on the Live Broadcast from the ZKM Karlsruhe. Looks like it is more like a round table discussion thing. It looks very unlikely that there is gonna be a live broadcast of the Kraftwerk gig, especially since Daft Punk were confirmed as Supporting Act, so KW surely= wont be on by 9pm....but anyway...I'll be there! BTW: The report shown today on S3 about the ZKM was very informative even= though KW were only mentioned once, the concert hall looks amazing! = 18.10. 3sat 20:15 *Zukunft, Kunst und Medien* -21:45 [9-305-166] Live von der Er=F6ffnung des Zentrums f=FCr Kunst u= nd = Medientechnologie G=E4ste: Professor Heinrich Klotz, Direktor des ZKM= ; = K=FCnstler, Kritiker und Macher # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Phenomenal Linz Gig! Date: 17 Oct 1997 04:23:53 +0200 Just came home to vienna...but can't sleep. What a concert! Great show! Yeah, there were some technical problems (onln Ralf's Robot moved, for example) , but didn't matter. Tracks played: Nummern Computerwelt Homecomputer The Man-Machine Tour De France Autobahn Airwaves Radioaktivit=E4t ! first new song ! Trans Europa Express Taschenrechner Die Roboter/Robotronik ! second new song ! Musique Non Stop And I was able to take some photos. After the show we met Kraftwerk at Hotel...sorry, forgot the name. Something with "W" beginning. And Fritz Hilpert signed my CD! By the way: Ralf H=FCtter didn't seem to be in a good mood...he had a very grimmy face and didn't say "Gute Nacht" at the end of the concert as usual. Florian Schneider smiled sometimes and shaked to the rhythm m of the beat. A friend asked Fritz Hilpert, when the new Album will be released, his answer was "Kommt schon". Good night from vienna, Georgie --=20 ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) Letter From America Date: 16 Oct 1997 23:43:54 +0500 It's the waiting that gets me... -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (kw) A KW article on VIBE Date: 16 Oct 1997 23:33:47 -0600 (MDT) >> Writing is very retrospective & mainly on their history. >> No noe essence is found in it. > ^^^ > I meant "new" here. :-) I thought for a second you'd meant "noh" -- not all THAT far from the Kraftwerk experience, now that I think of it! -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Theremin users Date: 17 Oct 1997 8:09:30 +0100 >That's a neat idea. They must have added a device to translate the pitch=20 >and volume generated by the Theremin into MIDI signals. The same=20 >principle could be used to play any MIDI-compatible instrument by waving=20 >your hands around. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs Yeah thats what they said but i think the translanslation was built=20 in.....because it was a newer release of Theremin. I think they had a midi=20 output in that little amasing wood box! //Andreas Schuldt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Crosstalk Date: 17 Oct 1997 8:19:09 +0100 - - i've bought a 'crosstalk' mcd in a digipack. it looks like the limited version, same number, same cover design, same cd-design but...it's not limited. there's no sticker 'ltd. edition of 5000' and no number on the back. any idea? I,m wondering if there is both a CD single and a CD maxisingle? I bought th= e=20 limited MCD (or CDS(ingle)) the other day and the cover suggests that its b= een=20 released both configurations (the same with my TV CDM) I have three trax on crosstalk and two on my TV CD Do anyone have some more info?=20 The lifestyle CDM I have has like 5 mixes is this the only DJ mixed CD from= E.M. Best Regards! //Andreas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: Re: (kw) Linz Gig Report Date: 17 Oct 1997 09:22:01 +0200 (MEST) Hi! On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > Wow, "Airwaves" live! That must have been a treat indeed! Well, a vocoded and very short version, but that doesnt matter....... ;-)) > Two new songs in addition to the one they played at the Tribal > Gathering, huh? Well, as you can already guess, our next request is that > some of you who were lucky enough to be there describe the new songs for us!! Well, two nice techno tracks, noting amazing, i give it a 5 out of 10.... Greetings zilli ************************************** Alexander Peter Zillner - EDV Beratung Schussweg 8, A-4210 Unterweitersdorf +43-664-2114805, alpezi@zilli.priv.at ************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: Re: (kw) Alexander - The great ///Linz set list//List meeting in Karlsruhe Date: 17 Oct 1997 09:31:14 +0200 (MEST) Hi! On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Roland Metzger wrote: > Du bist die "Stimme der Energie"! Thanks for posting the set list....I was > about to go to sleep and just thought I quickly check if someone has posted > something already. DANKESCHOEN! BITTESCHOEN! > WOW, Aetherwellen!!! What a neat surprise.... Was it a techno-ed up > version, or faithful to the original`? Vocoded short version......... > Hey, waaay cool that KW joined the list meeting in Linz. Is Florian reading > the list and did he just pop over to you guys???????? Very cool of him. Florian doesnt even know about the existing of a Mailing List....... > Sooooo....DID YOU ASK WHEN THE NEW ALBUM IS COMING OUT? No! > DID HE GIVE YOU A PORNO? Haeee? > Did you guys all freeze when Florian > joined the party??? Well, I did....... ;-)) > Hope you had time to share a beer.... Only coffee........... Greetings zilli ************************************** Alexander Peter Zillner - EDV Beratung Schussweg 8, A-4210 Unterweitersdorf +43-664-2114805, alpezi@zilli.priv.at ************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: Re: (kw) Phenomenal Linz Gig! Date: 17 Oct 1997 09:26:16 +0200 (MEST) Hi! On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Georg Jajus wrote: > By the way: Ralf H=FCtter didn't seem to be in a good mood...he had a > very grimmy face NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= ! I stood right in front of him, abot 2 meters distance. He was in a extrmely good mood....................... > and didn't say "Gute Nacht" at the end of the concert He wasn't able to do that, because he had no headset during Musique non Stop.......... Greetings zilli ************************************** Alexander Peter Zillner - EDV Beratung Schussweg 8, A-4210 Unterweitersdorf +43-664-2114805, alpezi@zilli.priv.at ************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Linz Mailing List Meeting Report Date: 17 Oct 1997 00:54:58 -0700 -(Alexander Peter Zillner brags)- > Thank you very much to all of the above persons, who made this meeting > possible, and specially to Mr. Florian Schneider for talking with us.... > > ......to be continued....... Well? Come ON, what did Herr Schneider SAY?? Don't keep us in suspense! Did he just happen to come into the same place, or did he hear about the meeting and check you guys out? DETAILS, man, DETAILS! I hope this isn't another cruel joke/rumor. -(Roland Metzger says)- > Hey rOBot, I think your intergalactic californian rOBoVibeS did REALLY > do some serious damage over there in Austria! Can you please restrain > from doing that again when they play Karlsruhe ;-) *blush* Sorry about that. I didn't even know what time the gig was, but, I DID pick up some really strong signals around 1-2am PDT, which would be 9 or 10 hours later in Linz, right? That would explain my nervous breakdown last night. -(more like all week)- They must have been playing around noon there or doing a sound check, playing the other new songs. My husband and I were discussing my HomePage, and suddenly I was bombarded: "Yeah, I need two little traffic cones here, and.... *ARGH*! AnOther NEW song!" I tore out half my hair, ran into my room, and cried myself to sleep. I couldn't handle it. I finally dozed off intermittently between 3am and 9am. I dreamed I was THERE. Maybe I was.*sigh*. I was getting VERY strong VIBES from Florian later on- that must've been when he appeared at the meeting. Gee, it's funny- I knew what time the TG gig was, so, I had ALL of my energy totally focused at the right moment, and nothing bad happened to their equipment that time. Even so, I'll try to be more careful on Saturday. ;] ROBOWINKY ?I know you are upset, but I promise they play the USA soon........ (well.....maybe)! Dream on....*sigh*.... Meanwhile, some very lucky Fans in Japan are going to meet Wolfgang in Tokyo this weekend as he's promoting his Time Pie CD! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace -(Hubby just added a few Family PiX for me. I want the KW Links List put up next- but, he says he has to re-type the URLs. However it WERKs.)- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Conny Fornbäck" Subject: (kw) Off to Karlsruhe Date: 17 Oct 1997 09:54:45 +0100 OK, now I'm leaving home for the almost 3.000 km drive to Karlsruhe and back (I'll hate the Autobahn after this ;-) I'm really looking forward to be hearing Airwaves live. I'll try to be at the Temporary Zone-club after the gig, to meet everyone I promised to see. (Oli, I'll bring your tape). Regards, Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: (kw) Linz Gig Specials - update1 Date: 17 Oct 1997 10:26:26 +0200 (MEST) Hi! Another special: Fritz or Henning (I dont remember) forgot to change the optical Disks before Musique Non Stop. So, when they startet with Musique Non Stop the Robots Video again appeared.............. ;-)) Greetings from Austria zilli ************************************** Alexander Peter Zillner - EDV Beratung Schussweg 8, A-4210 Unterweitersdorf +43-664-2114805, alpezi@zilli.priv.at ************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: Re: (kw) Linz Mailing List Meeting Report Date: 17 Oct 1997 11:13:35 +0200 Alexander Peter Zillner wrote: >Hi! >Present Persons: >Josef Gabler >Friend of Josef Gabler I think Hubert was his name...? >Georg Jajus >Adam Read >Florian Schneider (!!!!!!!) Oh ****! I was twenty minutes late, so I missed him. >Klaus Zaepke >Johann Zawrel >Alexander Peter Zillner >Sabine Zillner >Thank you very much to all of the above persons, who made this >meetingpossible, and specially to Mr. Florian Schneider for talking >with us.... >......to be continued....... Are there any photos? You and Florian? Now I'll go and let develop my photos of the show... . Georgie -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: Re: (kw) Linz Gig Report Date: 17 Oct 1997 11:21:22 +0200 Scott M. Barnhill wrote: >Wow, "Airwaves" live! That must have been a treat indeed! I was so cool...massive bass boosts, nerarly transformed to a techno song. And nice oscillographic effects in the video. All in all nearly a "new" song... . Will they also play it in Karlsruhe? Georgie -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harald Westphal Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe meeting Date: 17 Oct 1997 10:51:55 +0200 (CES) According to Twingo on the Internet: > What about a meeting in front of the ZKM at 17:00? > 40 people on the meeting list but no meeting place, it's a shame. Sorry, but the ZKM has not allowed us to use a room as a meeting place. I suggest a meeting in front of the blue "cubus" at the ZKM (you know what I mean when you see it) at 17:00. The opening starts at 18:00. After the gig there is a party in a club near the ZKM ("temporaere Zone") with the Source Records label (good electro-techno). See you in Karlsruhe! -- Harald Westphal *** eMail Harald.Westphal@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de -- "Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, programmier' die Zukunft mir." -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: (kw) Have fun! Date: 17 Oct 1997 02:50:15 -0600 (MDT) You lucky folks run along and enjoy the show. Be sure to tell us allll about it when you get back. Start lots of new rumors about the record release. We won't know the difference. :) Me, I get to listen to KW while working on my Artificial Intelligence assignment at 3am... kinda fitting in a way... /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: Re: (kw) Phenomenal Linz Gig! Date: 17 Oct 1997 11:33:27 +0200 Alexander Peter Zillner wrote: >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!I stood right in front of him, abot 2 meters distance. He was in a >extrmely good mood....................... You're right, he looked friendly in the second half of the show. But when he entered the stage at "Nummern" he didn't seem to be in a good mood. A friend of mine had also the expression.... He also didn't seem to be in a good mood when he entered the hotel after the show...the just left the taxi and rushed into the hotel...without taking notice of us. Georgie -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: (kw) Linz Gig Track List update Date: 17 Oct 1997 11:04:05 +0200 (MEST) Hi! Sorry, I forgot Sellafield 2 right before Radioaktivitaet......... Greetings zilli ************************************** Alexander Peter Zillner - EDV Beratung Schussweg 8, A-4210 Unterweitersdorf +43-664-2114805, alpezi@zilli.priv.at ************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: Re: (kw) Linz Mailing List Meeting Report Date: 17 Oct 1997 11:01:02 +0200 (MEST) Hi! On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Georg Jajus wrote: > I think Hubert was his name...? Oh, good, thank you...... > >Florian Schneider (!!!!!!!) > Oh ****! I was twenty minutes late, so I missed him. So you were the "out-of-luck-guy" yesterday.......... ;-))))) > Are there any photos? Yes, I made some, and I will put it into the WEB with the Complete Gig Report......... > You and Florian? Of course, NOT!!!!!!!!!!! We were lucky enough for getting autographs and talking with him...... ;-)) > Now I'll go and let develop my photos of the show... . Good! Gruss zilli ************************************** Alexander Peter Zillner - EDV Beratung Schussweg 8, A-4210 Unterweitersdorf +43-664-2114805, alpezi@zilli.priv.at ************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: Re: (kw) Linz Gig Report Date: 17 Oct 1997 10:56:51 +0200 (MEST) Hi! On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Georg Jajus wrote: > >Wow, "Airwaves" live! That must have been a treat indeed! > > I was so cool...massive bass boosts, nerarly transformed to a techno > song. And nice oscillographic effects in the video. All in all nearly a > "new" song... . Well, my impressioen was more a new song with Aetherwellen acting as an intro, but of course you could be right, anyway, who cares, the most important thing is: NEW SONGS!!!!!!!!!1 > Will they also play it in Karlsruhe? I think so, but I'm sure, that Ralf wont do his "monkey dance" and wont put his right leg on his console....... ;-))))))))) Gruss zilli ************************************** Alexander Peter Zillner - EDV Beratung Schussweg 8, A-4210 Unterweitersdorf +43-664-2114805, alpezi@zilli.priv.at ************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: Re: (kw) Alexander - The great ///Linz set list// Date: 17 Oct 1997 06:13:52 -0400 Hi! On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Roland Metzger wrote: > Hey, waaay cool that KW joined the list meeting in Linz. Is Florian rea= ding > the list and did he just pop over to you guys???????? Very cool of him.= Florian doesnt even know about the existing of a Mailing List....... ! That's funny somehow, for such technological aficionados. But I guess (we= ll I hope!) they are always busy in the studio. = > DID HE GIVE YOU A PORNO? Haeee? = Hey....Alexander. I did NOT write PORNO...just checked my post again...I= did write PROMO... Nice slip of words, though! Imagine Florian coming over to the list meeti= ng with a few issues = of "Hustler" and sharing the sights with you: "Ich liebe die Natur... es = gibt wunderbare Werke =2E.. Ich bin der Musikant mit dem "Hustler" in der Hand" HEHEHEHE! I gue= ss you are still dizzy from the concert. ;-) Regards = Roland (21 Hours before departing to Karlsruhe) = # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thorsten Dowe Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe meeting Date: 17 Oct 1997 12:19:29 +0200 > I suggest a meeting in front of the blue "cubus" at the ZKM (you know what I > mean when you see it) at 17:00. When I read about the Linz-gig and Florian Schneider I decided to check out the list-meeting, too. So what about this place? I think that would be ok, easy to get there. > See you in Karlsruhe! YES, baby!!! B.T.W: I propably have one ticket left, no extra price. Call me. Thorsten +49-89-61199200 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: Re: (kw) Phenomenal Linz Gig! Date: 17 Oct 1997 11:11:48 +0200 (MEST) Hi! On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Georg Jajus wrote: > You're right, he looked friendly in the second half of the show. > But when he entered the stage at "Nummern" he didn't seem to be in a > good mood. Well, thats his "normal" mood! ;-)) > He also didn't seem to be in a good mood when he entered the hotel > after the show...the just left the taxi and rushed into the > hotel...without taking notice of us. Oh, what a pity, but better talking to Hilpert, as talking to nobody! ;-)) Greetings zilli ************************************** Alexander Peter Zillner - EDV Beratung Schussweg 8, A-4210 Unterweitersdorf +43-664-2114805, alpezi@zilli.priv.at ************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jan Svenungsson Subject: (kw) Technopop + meeting Florian Date: 17 Oct 1997 07:34:55 -0400 Hello list, I've been reading the list for half a year getting increasingly fascinate= d with the almost religious overtones some topics get. Or compare it to watching the Kremlin in the seventies. = Recently there's been some debate whether the Technopop album actually exist(ed). I believe this must be wrong (?) but would be very interested= to hear from some well informed list-member how did it happen that those Technopop demos came out on the bootleg market? Somebody stole the tapes from Kling-Klang or what? And now were all waiting for more Linz-Karlsruhe reports... the first bei= ng that some of you guys actually met Florian! I'm sure this is going to be reported in great detail soon. And I would have liked to be there, too. D= id anyone of you reflect upon the fact that now that Florian is becoming a professor he will have students - and they will get to meet and discuss with him on a regular basis! Regards Jan Svenungsson (who is a Swedish visual artist currently living in Berlin) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe meeting (fwd) Date: 17 Oct 1997 14:16:29 +0200 (MET DST) So: a meeting at 17:00 in front of the 'blue cube' and afterwards a meeting at the 'Techno club' > According to Twingo on the Internet: > > What about a meeting in front of the ZKM at 17:00? > > 40 people on the meeting list but no meeting place, it's a shame. > > Sorry, but the ZKM has not allowed us to use a room as a meeting place. > I suggest a meeting in front of the blue "cubus" at the ZKM (you know what I > mean when you see it) at 17:00. The opening starts at 18:00. > After the gig there is a party in a club near the ZKM ("temporaere Zone") > with the Source Records label (good electro-techno). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "wisse e." Subject: (kw) I'm off to Karlsruhe! Date: 17 Oct 1997 15:30:21 -0500 We'll, I'm off. I'll take the train tomorrow. Following Twingo's suggestion I'll be in front of the ZKM at 17:00. Hope to see some of you there! Tschuess, Edwin Wisse -- Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tiger Moses Subject: (kw) new album/CD Date: 17 Oct 1997 08:47:45 -0500 No has said it, and I'll probably get slammed for be blasphemious, but whenever the next Kraftwerk CD comes out, don't you feel becuase of age, time and differing interest of the band, it'll be the last? Or do you think any of them will still play around Kling-Klang and try and release an album in the next millenium, which ofcourse should be named millenium # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tiger Moses Subject: (kw) irc Date: 17 Oct 1997 08:50:04 -0500 which IRC network was the kraftwerk channel on, i'm gonna start hanging out there # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) irc Date: 17 Oct 1997 10:02:21 -0400 >which IRC network was the kraftwerk channel on, i'm gonna start hanging out >there The channel can be found on DALnet, #Kraftwerk. Hope to see ya there. http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gustav Holmberg" Subject: Re: (kw) Technopop + meeting Florian Date: 17 Oct 1997 16:11:34 +0000 Hej Jan! Kul att se =E4nnu en svensk p=E5 listan! > to hear from some well informed list-member how did it happen that those > Technopop demos came out on the bootleg market? Somebody stole the tapes > from Kling-Klang or what? > According to Pascal Bussy's book Kraftwerk gave demos to some dj's. Presumably the bootlegs stem from those copies, but that's just a guess. /Gustav =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Gustav Holmberg, Graduate Student, History of Science and Ideas, Lund University, Sweden. Gustav.Holmberg@kult.lu.se # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) new album/CD Date: 17 Oct 1997 16:09:13 +0000 > No has said it, and I'll probably get slammed for be blasphemious, but > whenever the next Kraftwerk CD comes out, don't you feel becuase of age, > time and differing interest of the band, it'll be the last? > > Or do you think any of them will still play around Kling-Klang and try and > release an album in the next millenium, which ofcourse should be named millenium Yes I have had the same thoughts as well,....could this really be the last of KW? How many other albums released in two years time will be called millennium? Answers on a postcard to Bruce Lloyd care of bum boys limited..........remember good ole' Brucie!!!!!!! Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) Technopop + meeting Florian Date: 17 Oct 1997 09:27:53 -0600 (MDT) > Recently there's been some debate whether the Technopop album actually > exist(ed). I believe this must be wrong (?) but would be very interested > to hear from some well informed list-member how did it happen that those > Technopop demos came out on the bootleg market? Somebody stole the tapes > from Kling-Klang or what? I can't speak *specifically* to how the tapes got out, but it's not at all unusual for unreleased materal to "leak" out of a studio. There are thousands of similar bootlegs out there by hundreds of different artists. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at Subject: Re: (kw) Linz Mailing List Meeting Report Date: 17 Oct 1997 18:40:48 +0200 In message ID on 17.10.97,=20 Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at wrote:=20 >Alexander Peter Zillner wrote:=20 >=20 >>Hi!=20 >>Present Persons:=20 >=20 >>Josef Gabler=20 >>Friend of Josef Gabler=20 >=20 >I think Hubert was his name...?=20 =20 -=B0-- Well, that=B4s right. =20 -=B0-- He is maybee a little bit "crazy" but a good friend of mine=20 since over 10 Years.=20 -=B0-- I=B4m still very serious!=20 -=B0-- He photographed the show with his digital camera and Ralf looked=20 very strange =20 -=B0-- to him. No bodycheck nowhere! My shooting was finished after=20 ManMachine... (Tschak)=20 -=B0-- But the film already is in the developing machine (boingg)=20 :-)))))). =20 =20 -=B0-- Hello,=20 -=B0-- to all of you unlucky ones who had to be at home=20 -=B0-- in their nice and cosy houses ;-). =20 -=B0--I=B4m back from Linz this minute. (Just enjoyed "Linz by Night")=20 and =20 -=B0-- left Linz with the EC comin from Cologne.=20 -=B0-- YES, it was A M A Z I N G ! Absolutely great Gig. Florian smiled=20 into himself=20 -=B0-- and was very funny joking whilst playing (hehe) his Mini=20 calculatore.=20 -=B0-- No audience-playing this time .=20 -=B0-- Ralf was very angry about all the flashes from little nice=20 pocketcameras and bigger ones.=20 -=B0-- He left the stage not saying his "Gute Nacht". Poor Ralf! He=20 was a little bit sad...=20 --=B0-- These Klaus from Germany has been on the toilette for over 20=20 minutes just to put on=20 --=B0-- new trousers over his legs... boy, boy...=20 =20 =20 -=B0-- I=B4m absolutely happy to met all the other crazy Kraftwerk-Guys=20 and not have=20 -=B0-- to hurry now to go to Karlsruhe today. I got no ticket.=20 -=B0-- So please don=B4t wait for me at your meeting. Another time -=20 maybee.=20 =20 -=B0-- MS.: alpezi and me are the only one with a autograph from=20 Florian ! ! !=20 -=B0-- He got one.=20 -=B0-- I=B4m the clever guy which asked for a s e c o n d one!=20 --=B0-- So: Get you nervous brakdown N O W ! =20 >=20 >>Georg Jajus=20 >>Adam Read=20 -=B0-- The man from Kangarooland (No, alpezi told me he=B4s from New=20 sealand)=20 >>Florian Schneider (!!!!!!!)=20 -=B0-- Don=B4t trust this message. It was just his ROBOT. =20 -=B0-- (The coffe-drink and let=B4s-have-a-handy-phonecall- one ;-] )=20 >=20 >Oh ****! I was twenty minutes late, so I missed him.=20 -=B0-- That=B4s the way things are...=20 =20 >>Klaus Zaepke=20 >>Johann Zawrel=20 >>Alexander Peter Zillner=20 =20 -=B0-- Thanks for organizing this little nice meeting!=20 =20 >>Sabine Zillner=20 >>Thank you very much to all of the above persons, who made this=20 >>meetingpossible, and specially to Mr. Florian Schneider for talking=20 >>with us....=20 >>......to be continued.......=20 >=20 >Are there any photos? You and Florian?=20 -=B0-- No of course not. We were to shy to ask him for that...=20 >=20 >Now I'll go and let develop my photos of the show... .=20 -=B0-- Ein Tip von mir Georg. Lass ihn auf 1600 entwickeln.=20 -=B0-- Ein zu helles Negativ kriegst Du immer leichter dunkler als=20 umgekehrt.=20 -=B0-- Hoffe, dass Deine Muehe mit Tele und so nicht umsonst war. Aber=20 Du hast das ganz gut gemacht.=20 -=B0--War lustig zum zuschauen!=20 =20 -=B0-- Bye to you all!=20 -=B0--And tell us about your great night tommorow!=20 =20 -=B0-- j o s e f (with 2 autographs from Florian ) WAHNSINN! =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 -=B0-- hehe=20 =20 =20 sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Lets Vote on It Date: 17 Oct 1997 16:49:32 +0000 Why don't we have an opinion poll where we ask the list members if they think the album Technopop actually exists? Either state Yes, or No and send you replies to me personally and I will let you all have the results. If we set a closing date of 22 October I will try and get the answer to you all on the 23 October. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Security checks in Linz? Date: 17 Oct 1997 11:50:29 -0400 Can anybody who was at the Linz concert tell the Karlsruhe concert goers whow tight the security screening at the entrance was? I mean regarding checks for recording equipment, video cameras, DAT recorders, Hi-FI Stereo's etc..etc. Did they check your balls :-) ? Thanks Roland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Oehler" Subject: Re: (kw) Theremin users Date: 17 Oct 1997 11:20:44 -0500 >> > >> >Yeah thats what they said but i think the translanslation was built >> >in.....because it was a newer release of Theremin. I think they had a >> >midi output in that little amasing wood box! There's a number of ways of doing it: Bob Moog's company, Big Briar, just released a MIDI theremin. It's very cool, and pretty damned expensive. Some Big Briar theremins have a CV-out on the back, so they can control CV-based analog synths (or with a CV-MIDI converter, a MIDI synth) Theremaniacs in Milwaukee makes some retrofits for theremins that add CV to just about anything. A pitch-to-MIDI converter might work on a standard audio out, as the signal is pretty simple, but since there's a lot of change in overtones and pitch bend it might not be able to track fast enough. Theremins are just so cool. I got my Big Briar Etherwave for $300! It's not the best theremin on earth, but it was cheap and by god is it fun to play. I recommend them highly for anyone who wants to experiment in electronic music. =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= Can you think of another word for "synonym"? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) You wait for ages then 3 come at once Date: 17 Oct 1997 17:51:51 +0100 >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:54:58 -0700 >From: "ROBOT" >two little traffic cones here, and.... *ARGH*! AnOther NEW song!" I tore >out half my hair, ran into my room, and cried myself to sleep. I just wanted to check: you _were_ joking? Calm down, or after the next concert you'll look like Florian! Kevin PS Or is that an incentive?! PPS Haven't seen any responses tom my email about the Orchestron/Optigan question, so was my observation correct (i.e. that it must have been an Optigan which was used on 'Radioactivity')? I'd like to get the FAQ list entry for this correct! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) Lets Vote on It Date: 17 Oct 1997 11:03:10 -0600 (MDT) > Why don't we have an opinion poll where we ask the list members if > they think the album Technopop actually exists? Why don't we have an opinion poll where we ask the list members if they think the earth is flat? It would have about as much meaning, I think. If someone wants us to believe that Technopop was actually released in some form, let them trot out a copy of it. How hard would that be if the album had actually come out? -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jan Svenungsson Subject: (kw) tapes from Kling-Klang Date: 17 Oct 1997 13:25:53 -0400 >> Recently there's been some debate whether the Technopop album actually= >> exist(ed). I believe this must be wrong (?) but would be very interested >> to hear from some well informed list-member how did it happen that tho= se >> Technopop demos came out on the bootleg market? Somebody stole the tap= es >> from Kling-Klang or what? >I can't speak *specifically* to how the tapes got out, but it's not at a= ll >unusual for unreleased materal to "leak" out of a studio. There are thousands >of similar bootlegs out there by hundreds of different artists. Well, I always got the impression Kling-Klang was very different from oth= er studios. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at Subject: Re: (kw) Linz Mailing List Meeting Report Date: 17 Oct 1997 20:43:41 +0200 In message ID on 17.10.97,=20 Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at wrote:=20 >Alexander Peter Zillner wrote:=20 >=20 >>Hi!=20 >>Present Persons:=20 >=20 >>Josef Gabler=20 >>Friend of Josef Gabler=20 >=20 >I think Hubert was his name...?=20 =20 -=B0-- Well, that=B4s right. =20 -=B0-- He is maybee a little bit "crazy" but a good friend of mine=20 since over 10 Years.=20 -=B0-- I=B4m still very serious!=20 -=B0-- He photographed the show with his digital camera and Ralf looked=20 very strange =20 -=B0-- to him. No bodycheck nowhere! My shooting was finished after=20 ManMachine... (Tschak)=20 -=B0-- But the film already is in the developing machine (boingg)=20 :-)))))). =20 =20 -=B0-- Hello,=20 -=B0-- to all of you unlucky ones who had to be at home=20 -=B0-- in their nice and cosy houses ;-). =20 -=B0--I=B4m back from Linz this minute. (Just enjoyed "Linz by Night")=20 and =20 -=B0-- left Linz with the EC comin from Cologne.=20 -=B0-- YES, it was A M A Z I N G ! Absolutely great Gig. Florian smiled=20 into himself=20 -=B0-- and was very funny joking whilst playing (hehe) his Mini=20 calculatore.=20 -=B0-- No audience-playing this time .=20 -=B0-- Ralf was very angry about all the flashes from little nice=20 pocketcameras and bigger ones.=20 -=B0-- He left the stage not saying his "Gute Nacht". Poor Ralf! He=20 was a little bit sad...=20 --=B0-- These Klaus from Germany has been on the toilette for over 20=20 minutes just to put on=20 --=B0-- new trousers over his legs... boy, boy...=20 =20 =20 -=B0-- I=B4m absolutely happy to met all the other crazy Kraftwerk-Guys=20 and not have=20 -=B0-- to hurry now to go to Karlsruhe today. I got no ticket.=20 -=B0-- So please don=B4t wait for me at your meeting. Another time -=20 maybee.=20 =20 -=B0-- MS.: alpezi and me are the only one with a autograph from=20 Florian ! ! !=20 -=B0-- He got one.=20 -=B0-- I=B4m the clever guy which asked for a s e c o n d one!=20 --=B0-- So: Get you nervous brakdown N O W ! =20 >=20 >>Georg Jajus=20 >>Adam Read=20 -=B0-- The man from Kangarooland (No, alpezi told me he=B4s from New=20 sealand)=20 >>Florian Schneider (!!!!!!!)=20 -=B0-- Don=B4t trust this message. It was just his ROBOT. =20 -=B0-- (The coffe-drink and let=B4s-have-a-handy-phonecall- one ;-] )=20 >=20 >Oh ****! I was twenty minutes late, so I missed him.=20 -=B0-- That=B4s the way things are...=20 =20 >>Klaus Zaepke=20 >>Johann Zawrel=20 >>Alexander Peter Zillner=20 =20 -=B0-- Thanks for organizing this little nice meeting!=20 =20 >>Sabine Zillner=20 >>Thank you very much to all of the above persons, who made this=20 >>meetingpossible, and specially to Mr. Florian Schneider for talking=20 >>with us....=20 >>......to be continued.......=20 >=20 >Are there any photos? You and Florian?=20 -=B0-- No of course not. We were to shy to ask him for that...=20 >=20 >Now I'll go and let develop my photos of the show... .=20 -=B0-- Ein Tip von mir Georg. Lass ihn auf 1600 entwickeln.=20 -=B0-- Ein zu helles Negativ kriegst Du immer leichter dunkler als=20 umgekehrt.=20 -=B0-- Hoffe, dass Deine Muehe mit Tele und so nicht umsonst war. Aber=20 Du hast das ganz gut gemacht.=20 -=B0--War lustig zum zuschauen!=20 =20 -=B0-- Bye to you all!=20 -=B0--And tell us about your great night tommorow!=20 =20 -=B0-- j o s e f (with 2 autographs from Florian ) WAHNSINN! =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 -=B0-- hehe=20 =20 =20 sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) new album. Date: 17 Oct 1997 18:38:41 +0100 Much as I hate to say this, I met Ralf in 1992 and he said that they had completed several tracks that were ready for release as well as having some more work-in-progress. This leads me to think that they have probably recorded and 'junked' several albums worth of material.. Hiowever three new tracks is hardly prolific, but proof that there is life in the old beast yet! Keep on 'werking.. -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Lets Vote on It Date: 17 Oct 1997 19:24:32 +0100 > > Why don't we have an opinion poll where we ask the list members if > > they think the album Technopop actually exists? > > Why don't we have an opinion poll where we ask the list members if they think > the earth is flat? It would have about as much meaning, I think. I agree. Why won't people just except that Technopop was never released? Bearing in mind the enormous interest in Kraftwerk at present, and the seemingly endless numbers of bootlegs that have followed, if the album existed outside of the Kling Klang archives you can bet your life someone would have a bootleg of it out by now. All that ever saw the light of day were the two demo versions that most of us are familiar with - end of story. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Schmeltzer Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #157 Date: 17 Oct 1997 15:15:45 -0700 >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:13:17 +0100 >From: Kevin Busby >Subject: (kw) Orchestron or Optigan? > >OK, I've read several times in this list that the choir sound on >'Radioactivity' was provided by a Vako Orchestron. However, according to >The "Long-Lost Cousins" section ( http://www.pilot.com/optigan/cousins.html >) of the "Optiganally Yours" homepage:- > >> The Orchestron was originally developed by Opsonar around the time that the >> Optigan was on its death bed. The idea was to adapt the Optigan's technology >> into a more "professional" quality instrument which could compete with the >> Mellotron. After initial development by Opsonar, the >> Orchestron was adopted by Dave VanKoevering, formerly of Moog Music. His >> company, Vako, >> produced the Orchestron in a variety of models for a couple years >>starting in > about 1976 until it >> too kicked the bucket. > >Wasn't this a year after the 'Radio-Activity' album was released? So >wouldn't it have been an Optigan ( http://www.pilot.com/optigan/ ) that was >used, not an Orchestron? > >Kevin I've got a couple of Optigans and nearly every disk for them and I am 99% sure it is NOT the Optigan. The way I interpret the passage you quote is that Vako put out the Orchestron in 1976. I think the Optigan went out of production in 1972 or 1973 so maybe Kraftwerk got an early Orchestron. There is one other possibility that I haven't seen mentioned; Kraftwerk could have just made their own tape loop(s). Robert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) tapes from Kling-Klang Date: 17 Oct 1997 18:00:46 -0600 (MDT) >> I can't speak *specifically* to how the tapes got out, but it's not at >> all unusual for unreleased materal to "leak" out of a studio. There >> are thousands of similar bootlegs out there by hundreds of different >> artists. > > Well, I always got the impression Kling-Klang was very different from > other studios. Short of existing in a dimension entirely separate from our own, there's no way that *any* studio (KlingKlang included) can completely prevent leaks of this nature. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@pop3.iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) Technopop + meeting Florian Date: 18 Oct 1997 04:42:05 +0000 > I can't speak *specifically* to how the tapes got out, but it's not at all > unusual for unreleased materal to "leak" out of a studio. There are thousands I can agree with you and infact the world is full of boot, but if groups or their label are so gealous about that to do body inspections at the gate of gigs, is it not possible for them to monitorate who take care of certain critical activities in a studio? after all they should be realtively few people, and they could be bound by a contract to respect some practice... not that I matter a lot, I really prefere bootlegs to continue, just a thought that come to my mind because ithappened me to work about a particular piece of software for a particular company that could be very "lucrative" if another company of the competition could have notice of it and I had to sign a contract that take care of "leakages" of information... ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@pop3.iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) new album/CD Date: 18 Oct 1997 04:42:05 +0000 > whenever the next Kraftwerk CD comes out, don't you feel becuase of age, > time and differing interest of the band, it'll be the last? well, why... the Chieftains plays together from so long time... :-) > Or do you think any of them will still play around Kling-Klang and try and > release an album in the next millenium, which ofcourse should be named millenium this could be a good concept for them. let's hope that they start reading the list... :-) ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@pop3.iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) Linz Gig Specials - update1 Date: 18 Oct 1997 04:42:04 +0000 > Fritz or Henning (I dont remember) forgot to change the optical Disks hem hem, these two youngsters... :-) ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@pop3.iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) Lets Vote on It Date: 18 Oct 1997 04:42:06 +0000 > > Why don't we have an opinion poll where we ask the list members if > > they think the album Technopop actually exists? > > Why don't we have an opinion poll where we ask the list members if they think > the earth is flat? It would have about as much meaning, I think. of course it's flat. actually is a big cd. they were the old ignorant people that believed it was a big vinyl, the fools. or maybe due to relativity effects it flat, yes, but wound up on itself like a tape. ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@pop3.iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) Phenomenal Linz Gig! Date: 18 Oct 1997 04:42:03 +0000 > > By the way: Ralf H=FCtter didn't seem to be in a good mood...he had a > > and didn't say "Gute Nacht" at the end of the concert > He wasn't able to do that, because he had no headset during Musique non but could you read his lips? :-) also, I remember in the Grassina concert to have spotted during the soundcheck a guy that look something like Ralf (and definitely with the crew) but that obviusly was not him, in company of a splendid blonde woman, both wearing elegant black leather suit. could him have been Emil Schult? did spendid black leathered blonde woman show off in the Linz occasion? ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@pop3.iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) Linz Gig Report Date: 18 Oct 1997 04:42:03 +0000 > >Aetherwellen > > Wow, "Airwaves" live! That must have been a treat indeed! > indeed, and in which style did they played it, the old analogical one or the "new" pumped digital one of The mix? and I understood well, they played *the* Luton song *and* two new songs? they completed their duties for the next five years or so... :-) ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@pop3.iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) Phenomenal Linz Gig! Date: 18 Oct 1997 04:42:03 +0000 > as usual. Florian Schneider smiled sometimes and shaked to the rhythm m and did you told him that you bootlegged them to death, you double-tongued? (at last I hope you did... :-) ) > of the beat. A friend asked Fritz Hilpert, when the new Album will be > released, his answer was "Kommt schon". does it mean "coming soon" or "it will come a beatiful one"? ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@pop3.iol.it Subject: (kw) 18-10, Urgent Favour, Please!!! Date: 18 Oct 1997 04:42:06 +0000 hello, it's 4 AM of saturday 18 october, if someone is still reading this and going to Karlsruhe, could I ask a favour? I badly NEED an original blue Autobahn t-shirt and/or yrllow Radioactivity one, size Large or XL or more. I understood they should cost about 30-40 DM or so each. would some kind soul buy one or two for me, then emailing me, waiting for my cash and sending them to me? I was sure I could do it for my self at Karlsruhe, but it sold out so quickly! and a friend of mine went to Linz, but I'm working so hard these days I forgot to ask him on time (and I had not the time to read/answer email for three days!)! if you can't do that, and if there is this blue cube meeting, maybe you can refer by voice this request of mine to Klaus Zaepke, should he come there? some times ago we talked about his possibility, in the case I could not go to Karlsruhe, but I was so sure I have could done that! Klaus, if you can, buy me these one or two shirt! :-) cash waiting to be sent! and this time not like the magazine! :-) many thanks to all, and let's try to mix electronic and voice medium... ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe here we come!!!! Date: 18 Oct 1997 09:26:14 +0200 We are off to Karlsruhe: Bob & Maureen driving a Honda Civic Hil & Wim driving a Volkswagen Golf Judith & Twingo driving a Renault Twingo see you all at the Blue Cube. greetings, Twingo / / Twingo, the Netherlands ----/---/---- http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo / / http://www.xs4all.ml/~twingo/kraftwerk/kraftwerk.html / / twingo@xs4all.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cats Subject: (kw) Comming soon Date: 18 Oct 1997 10:21:27 +0100 I asked Fritz Hilpert at the name of the new songs, he tell me he dont know them (.....mmmmmh ). Then I call him after the release from the new album, his answer was 'kommt schon..' which means that it will apear......... > Fritz or Henning (I dont remember) forgot to change the optical Disks It was Fritz ! Bye, Johann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cats Subject: (kw) Article Date: 18 Oct 1997 11:31:06 +0100 There is a 3/4 page review from the Linz concert in the austrian daily-newspaper 'Der STANDARD' bye, Johann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Linz Gig in the news Date: 18 Oct 1997 12:00:52 +0200 Articles about the Linz Gig can be found in "Die Presse", "Der Standard" and "Kurier". Georgie -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: Re: (kw) Linz Gig Report Date: 18 Oct 1997 10:23:04 +0200 (MEST) Hi! On Sat, 18 Oct 1997 lbo@pop3.iol.it wrote: > indeed, and in which style did they played it, the old analogical one > or the "new" pumped digital one of The mix? new style and very short.... > and I understood well, they played *the* Luton song *and* two new > songs? they completed their duties for the next five years or so... Well, its hard to say, the first new song could be a new song with Aetherwellen acting as an intro, thats what I think, but Georgs theory is, that this was a new version of Aetherwellen, which of course can also be true, we will have to wait for the other guys, who heared the new stuff.... Greetings zilli ************************************** Alexander Peter Zillner - EDV Beratung Schussweg 8, A-4210 Unterweitersdorf +43-664-2114805, alpezi@zilli.priv.at ************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian J.Harris" Subject: Re: (kw) Lets Vote on It Date: 18 Oct 1997 11:16:22 +0000 No, certainly not finished copies anyway. The tapes probably exisist in the KlingKlang archives though (and who would not KILL to get in there???) Ian J. Harris A novice in this ComputerWorld # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) After the Linz Gig... Date: 18 Oct 1997 14:58:02 +0200 Josef Gabler wrote: >He photographed the show with his digital camera and Ralf looked very >strange to him. No bodycheck nowhere! My shooting was finished after >ManMachine... (Tschak) But the film already is in the developing >machine (boingg)=20 Ralf looked also at me sometimes, I had the impression. But the securities didn't catch me. I'll get my developed negative-stripes at the beginning of next week. From the best shots, I'll take paper prints. >These Klaus from Germany has been on the toilette for over 20=20 >minutes just to put on new trousers over his legs... boy, boy...=20 When I was at the toilet ten minutes before, somebody (boy & girl) was having sex at the same toilet...;-)! >Ein Tip von mir Georg. Lass ihn auf 1600 entwickeln.=20 >Ein zu helles Negativ kriegst Du immer leichter dunkler als=20 >umgekehrt. Hoffe, dass Deine Muehe mit Tele und so nicht umsonst war. >Aber Du hast das ganz gut gemacht. War lustig zum zuschauen!=20 No problem...der Fuji G Plus 800 wird auch von Pressefotografen verwendet und vertr=E4gt =DCberbelichtungen von bis zu +4 Blenden. Ich hoffe nur, dass die Aufnahmen nicht allzu verwackelt sind und man zumindest einiges klar erkennen kann. Anfang n=E4chster Woche hab' ich die Negativstreifen, von denen ich mir die besten Shots herauspicken werde. Bis dann mit neuen Facts, Georgie --=20 ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: Re: (kw) Linz Gig in the news Date: 18 Oct 1997 12:08:56 +0200 (MEST) Hi! On Sat, 18 Oct 1997, Georg Jajus wrote: > Articles about the Linz Gig can be found in "Die Presse", "Der > Standard" and "Kurier". and in the "Oberoesterreichische Nachrichten".......... Greetings zilli ************************************** Alexander Peter Zillner - EDV Beratung Schussweg 8, A-4210 Unterweitersdorf +43-664-2114805, alpezi@zilli.priv.at ************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tisch 4 Subject: (kw) Live at The ZKM !!! Date: 18 Oct 1997 12:00:17 +0200 Hello all, I am writing this from the ZKM cybercafe in Karlsruhe. Next message to follow after this test, Adam Read # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tisch 4 Subject: (kw) KRAFTWERK LIVE - Linz Austria Date: 18 Oct 1997 12:11:17 +0200 All, I saw Kraftwerk in Linz at the Posthof on Thursday. Wow ! Four new songs! The set list from memory was. Numbers Computerwelt Home Computer Man Machine Tour De France Airwaves with New Song One Radioactivity New Song Two Autobahn New Song Three Pocket Calculator Robots / Robotronik New Song Four (Luton Hoo) Musik Non Stop. There are no vocals on any of the new songs, They are all fast and danceable. There is one song with wild and fast vocodered sequencers. Very Kraftwrk sound. Another starts with Airwaves then changes to a new peice. We met Florian Schneider before the show and I asked him the title of the 1st New Song. He laughed and said "I'm not going to tell you!" ad ran out the door. >From were I am sitting, I can now see Ralf Hutter talking on his phone!!!! I also had a good look at the Kling Klang stage and will send photos when I return. More later. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Krenn Subject: (kw) Life is good! Date: 18 Oct 1997 18:24:10 +0200 (CEST) Ahhh... standing here at a computer at ZKM in KArlsruhe, just hours until Kraftwerk will play.. .have just seen Florian outside.... Met some interesting Kraftwerj Fans.... Hope to meet some I know... only met Anders and friends.... Well.. only 3 hours untill KW!!!!! See yaaa ;D //Robert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Life is good! Date: 18 Oct 1997 13:14:04 -0400 >standing here at a computer at ZKM in KArlsruhe, just hours until >Kraftwerk will play.. .have just seen Florian outside.... Hey Robert, when Florian passes by again, tell him that Scott B. in New York says hi. hehehe ;) Have fun at the show today you guys and gals!! -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) KW in Miami, Fla Mar '98???? Date: 18 Oct 1997 10:31:41 -0700 I found this entry in Jules Seifert's GuestBook. -(copy/paste)- kraftwerk will play the tribal gathering u.s.a. / march `98 / miami florida . florian ownes an original trautonium of oskar sala . the new track called " tech-talk " . the new single will be out before x-mas `97 . further info after the concert in karlsruhe . greetinx from metropolis . basztecq basztecq metropolis, - Wednesday, October 15, 1997 at 00:00:29 (GMT) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) Interesting... Date: 18 Oct 1997 21:45:39 +0500 Well, I just did something I never did before-- I bought a second copy of TIME PIE because so many people wanted to borrow it that I never got a chance to listen to it any more! I hope that's a good sign. BTW, has anyone on the list seen 'The End of Violence'? I know KW isn't on the soundtrack album, but I haven't had a chance to see the movie (if it's still playing) and was wondering if they're on the soundtrack itself. I think they could have made a great soundtrack for 'Until the End of the World'... My e-mail program crashed a few minutes ago while trying to download some stuff, so I probably missed a lot of news about the concert-- but I hope everyone had a great time! -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: c.erz@ndh.net (Christian Erz) Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe: KRAFTWERK live in concert !!! my short story Date: 19 Oct 1997 02:37:20 GMT Hey fans, :-) just coming from Karlsruhe an have to say to you my impressions :) It was a very very wonderful (!) performance-act. A liveshow of it=B4s own class. Kraftwerk live. I was never on any concert from Kraftwerk before Karlsruhe, but this was the best sound of them I have ever heared of! But, back to my impressions :-) Its starting was planed for 21:00 (GMT+1) but the hell knows why ;-) we have to wait till 22:30 (GMT+!) But after we have made a lot of sound they started with smooth ambient getting harder synths and sorry, but after the have counted "Numbers" I was in other dimensions ....Ralf and Florian standing with two other members of the group (sorry, but I don=B4t know there :-( names) behind 4 Synthesizer.=20 Behind this four was the Studio operating together with them and behind the studio you could see four big videowalls with videos and computer animations were shown of. an a fantastic great lightshow! =20 The Playlist: (not in any order) I remember #-) - Nummern - Computerwelt - Radioaktivit=E4t - Tour de France - Mensch Maschine - Trans Europa Express (long version) - Autobahn - Taschenrechner (looong) - Heimcomputer (???) - It=B4s more fun to compute=20 - Airwaves (new long version) - Boing Boom Tschak - Die Roboter (The mix)=20 - Musique Non Stop - and when my counting was right #-) -> 4 new songs IMAO theire newest songs ??? Fast played technozised Kraftwerk .... lecker! Please correct whats wrong , I was still concentrated of their audiovideo activitys #-) ... robotized by KRAAAAFT-WERRRRK!) The hole concert lenght was about ca. 2 hours :-)) Yippiieee! But for know I=B4m to tooo sleeeeepy to tell you more about..........schnarch |-) .... it=B4s 4:27 (GMT+1) in the morning=20 and I have to go to bed.=20 Good nite to you, good night to Kraftwerk, and see you next issue. BTW: Before the concert you could listen to deejay "Inxa (?) Moskwa" ... After the concert you could listen to deejey "Laurent Garnier" ... listen : Es wird immer weiter gehn, Musik als Traeger von Ideen!=20 ... es wir immer weitergeh=B4n, Musik als Tr=E4ger von Ideen... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder Subject: (kw) Small Kraftwerk feature in todays 'Sunday Times' Date: 19 Oct 1997 04:05:44 -0400 Accompanying today's edition of 'The Sunday Times' is a = '1000 Makers of Music' supplement (Part 4) - this includes = a short biogrpahy on Kraftwerk plus a large colour photo on = the same page ('Man Machine' era). Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: Re: (kw) Small Kraftwerk feature in todays 'Sunday Times' Date: 19 Oct 1997 14:12:06 -0700 Ian Calder wrote: > > Accompanying today's edition of 'The Sunday Times' is a > '1000 Makers of Music' supplement (Part 4) - this includes > a short biogrpahy on Kraftwerk plus a large colour photo on > the same page ('Man Machine' era). > For everyones benefit here is the piece (excuse any typos) Kraftwerk influenced the course of popular music almost as much as the Beatles. RH and FS met while studying improvisation at the Dusseldorf Conservatory. Spurred by meeting WF, and Klaus Roeder, a multi-instrumentalist, they used primitive drum machines and home made synthesisers to fashion a breakthrough album in 1974 with Autobahn it title track becoming a transatlantic top 10 hit. Autobahn explored the faith and fear inspired by rapid technological advance at a time when mechanisation was throwing Europeans out of work. This became the groups dominant theme through subsequent albums such as Radioactivity, Trans-Europe Express, The Man Machine and Computer World. Kraftwerk's genius was that this conceptual dichotomy was reflected in their electronically generated sound, in the way robotic beats and disembodied voices were set against some of the clearest and most naively beautiful melodies. Enormously influential for many established artists, such as David Bowie, Kraftwerk would prove decisive inspiration for British synth-pop, hip-hop and modern dance music, both European and American. Keywork - Tran-Europe Express mode.123 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe Concert Date: 19 Oct 1997 15:15:45 +0200 W're back! A good concert, but if you look at the atmosphere it gets 6 out of 10 compared to the 10 out of 10 which the Luton concert gets from me. I even managed to see the stage and equipment at broad daylight (when the hall was open at approx. 15:30). greetings, Twingo / / Twingo, the Netherlands ----/---/---- http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo / / http://www.xs4all.ml/~twingo/kraftwerk/kraftwerk.html / / twingo@xs4all.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: (kw) Abduced by the movil KlingKlang? Date: 19 Oct 1997 15:19:42 +0200 Hello, I dont=B4t know what=B4s the matter? Last night I didn=B4t recive any mai= l about Karlsruhe and this morning either. My mail server crashes or you all have been abdu= ced by the movil KlingKlang?. Please, I need information. New songs or same that Linz? Lyrics or not Lyrics? Talk anybody with the "boys"? Details about concert,,,, please, please, please.... Thank you very much!!! Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Linz Gig in the news II Date: 19 Oct 1997 16:37:13 +0200 Articles also in "Salzburger Nachrichten" and "Oberoesterreichische Nachrichten" in the Saturday edition. I collected everything! cu, Georgie -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: Re: (kw) Phenomenal Linz Gig Date: 19 Oct 1997 17:08:33 +0200 lbo@pop3.iol.it asked: >> of the beat. A friend asked Fritz Hilpert, when the new Album will be >> released, his answer was "Kommt schon". >does it mean "coming soon" or "it will come a beatiful one"? "coming soon". But he had said the same in 1992. So it's more "Coming sometimes..." Greets, Georgie ______________________________________ Wenn Wellen schwingen, ferne Stimmen singen... -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin Niedergesaess Subject: (kw) ZKM small details Date: 19 Oct 1997 19:56:49 +0200 just returned from karlsruhe, after waiting one and a half hour in front of the closes curtain .... WOOWWW!!! Great concert. The sound quality was fantastic and i hope that some nice bootlegs will be released soon. I remember three new songs (including the lutton one) - all with no vocals. The first new song (with the airwaves intro) sounded very techno. I cannot compare it to anything i know from kw. the whole song had a very dark and dingy (duestere) atmosphere. The second one I didnt really like. And the third one was the lutton song - really great to hear it live after all. They played the robots two times. the first time with an empty stage and just some video sequences. after that the video panels moved up and four robots appeared. I had quite a good view to ralf (four rows in front of him). He was looking very serious all the time and sometimes i had the impression he looked a little bit sad. When they played pocket calculator he sometimes pressed a button (to play a little melody...) on his small portable device (like in former concerts). BUT this was never synchronous with the music. always a little bit to late or too early. I also remembered that ralf had a file (leitz ordner oder sowas) in front of him and he turned the page one or two times during a song. cheers martin PS: The DJ before Kraftwerk is called Xenia. Some staff guy told me that she is a 18 year old talented girl from moscow. She played a lot of nice trance tracks. Bad luck for her that she played BEFORE Kraftwerk. Because everybody was just waiting for KW. PPS: Laurant Garnier (also a DJ) was still playing when I left at about 3 o Clock. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: M.SCHMIDT@top.east.de (Marko Schmidt) Subject: (kw) new Domain Date: 17 Oct 1997 18:33:00 +0200 Hallo , my Homepage is under the new Domain : www.mdis.de/privat/Kraftwerk/ wrong Domain in my Email from 16.10.: www.mdis.de/private/kraftwerk/ Sorry -- Mit elektrischen Gr=FC=DFen,=B7 Marko=B7 GermanKraft die deutsche Kraftwerk-Homepage: www.mdis.de/privat/kraftwerk/ # # ##### ##### ##### ##### # # ##### ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ### #### ##### #### # # # # ### #### ### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ##### # # # # ## CrossPoint v3.11 ## # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: Re: (kw) ZKM small details Date: 19 Oct 1997 21:43:42 +0200 (MEST) Hi! On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Martin Niedergesaess wrote: > I also remembered that ralf had a file (leitz ordner oder sowas) in > front of him and he turned the > page one or two times during a song. Hey, thats interesting, in Linz, Florian had such "Leitz-Ordner", Ralf not, a black one, also turned the pages during the songs, for me, it looked like that he was bored, so he had to read something.......... Sers aus Oesterreich zilli ************************************** Alexander Peter Zillner - EDV Beratung Schussweg 8, A-4210 Unterweitersdorf +43-664-2114805, alpezi@zilli.priv.at ************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) ZKM small details Date: 20 Oct 1997 03:23:58 +0200 That seems true for me as well. Except some very small patterns played by Hilpert, all seemed to be from tape/disc/whatever. Although their hands moved all the concert, I had no glue what in hell they could do... The funiest thing was the Taschenrechner song, all including Florian seemed to be doing something, but he was the only one where I could see a conjunction between sounds and his moving hands. All others just tapped on the devices, sometimes not even touching them... Regardless - it was just great, the mood in the audience was quite interesting - cheers between the songs, silence while the songs where played (hey, they arn't gods, they can't be disappointed by the audience, but they could disappoint the audience...) They are showroom dummies, but they didn't start to dance... regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: resin@tuna.net (Darren) Subject: (kw) Taschenrechner? Date: 20 Oct 1997 08:18:08 +0600 >The funiest thing was the Taschenrechner song, all including Florian seemed the what song? thanks darren # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Taschenrechner? Date: 19 Oct 1997 22:34:56 -0400 (EDT) >>The funiest thing was the Taschenrechner song, all including Florian seemed >the what song? "Taschenrechner" is just the German title of "Pocket Calculator". -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "Ich bin der Musikant mit Taschenrechner in der Hand..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Regor@webtv.net (R. D.) Subject: (kw) KRAFTWERK'S GENIUS. Date: 19 Oct 1997 23:57:12 -0400 As mentioned in the Oct. 19 "Sunday Times", KW'S GENIUS is in the way they put robotic beats and disembodied voices against some of the clearest and most naively beautiful melodies. They are also the best at integrating all kinds of "technological machine" sounds in their songs. They must love the sounds of cars, Geiger counters, computers, telephones etc... These machine sounds are mixed so seemlessly with the melodies of the songs that they become an integral part of them. They are not mere "sounds" anymore, they are "music". KW's lyrics can, occasionally, deal with serious matters, but, as a whole, I don't think they are to be taken too seriously... KW likes to play with words, with their meaning, with the way they sound, with the kind of "voice" they are gonna use to sing them etc... Ultimately, words (in several languages) are just another way to make "music". KRAFTWERK'S GENIUS is in the way they put everything together, when all these things become ONE, become MUSIC, KRAFTWERK'S MUSIC, THE BEST! -- Roger Regor@webtv.net Using WebTV since 01/09/97. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gekn@ebifsol9.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerd Knochenhauer) Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe Date: 20 Oct 1997 10:07:41 +0200 Hi everybody, it was the third time I had the chance to see Kraftwerk performing live and I have to say this was not the best performance not because Kraftwerk were bad butbecause of the circumstances. I didn't like the way everything was organized. There were 4500 people standing in front of two small entrances. Couldn't work smoothly. Depending where you were standing in the building the sound was very awfull and the sight not much better. I think half the people haven't had a really good concert. The new song after Aetherwellen was fantastic, the other two, well, I don't really know if I like them. Little story about the nice security staff: As I left the building the entrance was temporarily blocked by two of those guys, one trying to light the cigarette of the other one. Very cool. Gerd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gekn@ebifsol9.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerd Knochenhauer) Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe Gig Date: 20 Oct 1997 10:36:22 +0200 Hi again, I have now read all the mails I received since friday and I feel like I am the only one who was a little bit disappointed by teh concert in Karlsruhe. Wll, maybe that's because the first concert I've seen from Kraftwerk was so impressive that every "repetition" can't top it. It was 1981 in Karlsruhe. I was 15 years old. We had a sport course from our school at a indoor swimming pool in the afternoon. The location where Kraftwerk played that evening was wall to wal to the indoor swimming pool. Suddenly during the course strange sounds could be heard: Kraftwerk making there soundcheck. My nerves were trembling. The concert was sensational because they played versions of their songs that were different from the album versions. (I mean they played nearly the versions they play today but at that time it was great). The concert wasn't sold out and I was standing near the stage even getting the chance to press a few buttons during "Taschenrechner". Christian Erz wondered in his mail why the concert startet half an hour late. The reason is simple: because of the small entrances and the strict security many people didn't manage to get in till half past ten! I'm gonna mail the ZKM to make a few complaints. Gerd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) ZKM small details Date: 20 Oct 1997 05:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Hi! Martin@cnsoft.de wrote: << I had quite a good view to ralf (four rows in front of him). He was looking very serious all the time and sometimes i had the impression he looked a little bit sad. When they played pocket calculator he sometimes pressed a button (to play a little melody...) on his small portable device (like in former concerts). BUT this was never synchronous with the music. always a little bit to late or too early. I also remembered that ralf had a file (leitz ordner oder sowas) in front of him and he turned the page one or two times during a song. >> Hey! I think, that was Florian! Ralf pushed more buttons... he played the main melody, whereas Florian just pushed ONE button (for some very short sequence) in a "robot" way (funny Florian) . He also had the Leitz-file (I saw him closing it when he left the stage after "music non stop"). The guy next to Ralf (Henning?) controlled the drum/beat-sequences at pocket-calculator (I observed him, he just pushed buttons when the "drums" changed), and Fritz (next to Florian) played the other sounds. I think, it was a great concert, even if there was the damaged microphone (Ralf had to cover it with his hand, when he sung) and the videowall-error at "robotronik" (they removed too late, I think), and I like the new songs ! My favorites were: man-machine (yeah!!!), airwaves+new song1, the "luton" new song3 and - of course - music non stop. (also the "sellafield 2" - intro of radioactivity) I hope, somebody passed the security with some recording device! I also hope, I will be able to listen the new songs again on a CD! Carsten Bolte. Kiel. halb wesen - halb ding. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) ZKM small details Date: 20 Oct 1997 11:01:19 +0200 Overall, it was quite funny to say the people around which song will come next ... You should have seen their faces: Unbelievable how upset people could look ;-)) Regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: Re: (kw) ZKM small details Date: 20 Oct 1997 11:28:36 +0200 My body just returned after a 20-hour marathon drive back from Karlsruhe. Before I go to bed, I just *have* to tell you about something I was thinking about during Sellafield 2. As the vocoded voice says "will cause death and skin cancer..." I looked around just to observe the audience, as it was very quiet at that point. I suddenly realised why... everyone was lighting up their cigarettes... I wonder if Kraftwerk *REALLY* is more worried of getting cancer from a non-existant nuclear material plant than from getting lung cancer from their audience.=20 Well... I'm off to bed now. The Karlsruheevent was really=20 something, and specially meeting a lot of people from the list. I'll try to summarize my thoughts on the concert tomorrow... > My favorites were: man-machine (yeah!!!), airwaves+new song1, the "luto= n" new > song3 and - of course - music non stop. (also the "sellafield 2" - intr= o of > radioactivity) /AW --=20 ********************************************************************* * Anders Wilhelm * mail:trafo@analogue.org * * N=FCklear research * http://www.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm * * Sweden * http://wilhelm.ml.org/ *=20 ********************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Article on ZKM & Concert in todays "DIE WELT" Date: 20 Oct 1997 06:22:20 -0400 Check out todays issue (20.Oktober 97) or "DIE WELT" page 10, for a positive review of the Karlsruhe Gig plus an article on the ZKM. Regards Roland = Anybody has seen other articles? Pls post URL's if they are on-line as well... ("Die Welt" is on-line as well www.welt.de but didn't check yet if th= is article of the printed issue is there as well..) Thanks PS: I thought the Tribal Gathering gig was more exciting than Karlsruhe (except for the new songs).... but that is my opinion only, of course! PSPS: The "strap-it-around-the-balls" approach worked perfectly again! Yo= u know what I am talking about :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harald Westphal Subject: Re: (kw) Article on ZKM & Concert in todays "DIE WELT" Date: 20 Oct 1997 12:38:31 +0200 (CES) According to Roland Metzger: > Check out todays issue (20.Oktober 97) or "DIE WELT" page 10, for a > positive review of the Karlsruhe Gig plus an article on the ZKM. > Anybody has seen other articles? Pls post URL's if they are on-line as > well... > ("Die Welt" is on-line as well www.welt.de but didn't check yet if this > article of the printed issue is there as well..) http://www.welt.de/971020/1020ku02.htm There's also a live picture (but it's not of the Karlsruhe gig). -- Harald Westphal *** eMail Harald.Westphal@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de -- "Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, programmier' die Zukunft mir." -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin Niedergesaess Subject: RE: (kw) SHAME ON ME!! (ZKM small details ) Date: 20 Oct 1997 13:37:20 +0200 SHAME ON ME sorry, sorry, sorry, I mixed them up. it was florian on the right side of the stage (with no hair)....... In the ZKM main entrance hall there was a shop. They had about 200 concert posters (the black ones) in their sideboard. BUT they were not allowed to sell them. Does anybody from Karlsruhe know an employee from ZKM? So that you can get two posters for me?? cheers martin > -----Original Message----- > From: DepecheCBI@aol.com [SMTP:DepecheCBI@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, October 20, 1997 11:04 AM > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: Re: (kw) ZKM small details > > Hey! I think, that was Florian! Ralf pushed more buttons... he played > the > main melody, whereas Florian just pushed ONE button (for some very > short > sequence) in a "robot" way (funny Florian) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Florian Schneider" Subject: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 20 Oct 1997 04:47:18 PDT KLING KLANG ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Article in "Stuttgarter Nachrichten" on Kraftwerk & ZKM Date: 20 Oct 1997 08:10:28 -0400 Here's an article in todays "Stuttgarter Nachrichten" on the opening of t= he ZKM and the Kraftwerk Gig in Karlsruhe (as found on-line at www.stuttgarter-nachrichten.de) Regards Roland PS: The printed issue features an actual picture of the concert taken by the dpa (Deutsche Presse Agentur), so get it while you can! = Zentrum f=FCr Kunst und Medientechnologie er=F6ffnet Der Mensch und die Maschine VON BERND HAASIS Ein Satz des Sozialwissenschaftlers Marshall McLuhan ziert eine Wand im Innern des Zentrums f=FCr Kunst und Medientechnologie (ZKM) in Karlsuhe: = Das Medium ist die Botschaft, ist dort nachzulesen, denn es ver=E4ndert unser= e Ma=DFst=E4be und unseren Blick auf uns selbst. Nichts fasziniert die Mens= chen derzeit so sehr wie die Verhei=DFung multimedialer Welten hinter Bildschi= rmen und Mausklicks. Kein Wunder also, da=DF der Besucherandrang zur Er=F6ffnu= ng des ZKM am vergangenen Wochenende immens war: In dem gro=DFen Geb=E4udekomple= x f=FCr Gegenwartskunst wird der aktuelle Stand der Medienkunst sichtbar. ZKM-Direktor Heinrich Klotz erkl=E4rte, das Haus habe es sich zur Aufgabe= gemacht, die K=FCnste mit den elektronischen Techniken zu verbinden. Im ZKM flie=DFen interaktive virtuelle Welten, Video- und Klanginstallati= onen und zeitgen=F6ssische Kunst ineinander. Auffallend ist die interaktive An= lage vieler Werke: H=E4ufig wird aus dem Betrachter ein neudeutscher ,,User'',= der an Maus und Bildschirm kommuniziert, steuert und selbst kreativ wird. Auc= h das Videospiel hat seinen Platz im Medienmusem, Klassiker wie Tetris und Pacman, Pionierger=E4te wie Atari und Commodore C 64 sind dort ausgestell= t. Futuristische Spielsessel, in denen der moderne Mensch um ein virtuelles Leben k=E4mpfen kann, sind mit zwei Monitoren am Fu=DFende ausgestattet: = Einer zeigt den Vor=FCbergehenden den Spielverlauf, der andere das Gesicht des angespannten Spielers. Mensch und Maschine - eine gutnachbarschaftliche Beziehung? Vision=E4re ahnen schon lange, da=DF es dazu wohl keine Alternative gibt.= So auch die deutschen Techno-Pioniere der Elektro-Pop-Gruppe Kraftwerk, die als H=F6hepunkt der ZKM-Er=F6ffnung nach jahrelanger B=FChnenabstinenz wi= eder ein Konzert in Deutschland gaben. Die Wahl h=E4tte kaum treffender ausfallen k=F6nnen: Die Welt von Kraftwerk ist eine ,,Computerwelt''. Die vier Akte= ure stehen wie starre Maschinisten auf der Lokomotivedes kulturellen Fortschritts zwischen Computern und Synthesizern, das Verh=E4ltnis von Me= nsch und Maschine ist das beherrschende Thema der multimedialen Darbietung, be= i der Videoschirme einen Gro=DFteil der visuellen Wirkung erzeugen. Die Computerbeats und synthetischen Klangstrukturen von Kraftwerk sind schematisch und kopflastig, die Texte und Bilder sparsam und klar - ein formelhaftes Gewebe aus hypnotischen Sinnesreizen, ein suggestives Gesamtkunstwerk, das in seinen Assoziationen weit =FCber das vordergr=FCn= dig Vorgetrage hinausgeht. ,,Wir sind die Roboter'' verbreitet die kalte =C4sthetik einer Maschinenhalle, ,,Radioaktivit=E4t'' wirkt so bedrohlich= wie der Gedanke an einen atomaren Super-Gau. Und beim ,,Fahrn auf der Autobahn'' sind Videosequenzen aus einer Zeit zu sehen, als die Autobahn als Symbol des Aufbruchs in eine gl=FCckliche Zukunft gesehen wurde. Als zum Ende des Auftritts die Computer alleine weiterlaufen, die Musiker= von der B=FChne gegangen sind und stattdessen vier Roboter =FCber den Videoleinw=E4nden erschienen sind, da droht die Maschine wirklich ,,halb Wesen, halb Ding'' zu werden und lehrt uns f=FCr einen kurzen Moment f=FCrchten, der menschlicheFaktor k=F6nnte doch an gewicht verlieren in d= er Entwicklung vom Pinselstrich zum Mausklick, vom der Ber=FChrung des Geigenbogens auf der Saite zum Tastendruck. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Orchestrons Date: 20 Oct 1997 13:55:48 +0100 Just a note to thank everyone who emailed to confirm that it definitely was the Orchestron (pl. Orchestra? :-) ) on 'Radioactivity'. I've amended the FAQ. Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 20 Oct 1997 15:07:18 MET-2MED On 20-Okt-97 A.D., Florian Schneider carved the following runes about "(kw) Content-Type: text/plain": >KLING KLANG That's all you have to say?? When will the new album be released? =) -- E m a n u e l M a i r _____________________________________ mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) I can't Remember! Date: 20 Oct 1997 14:33:33 +0000 Hi there everyone, Someone on list list some time ago asked me if I could find a copy of the ABC album The Beauty Stab, on CD. Well I have found a copy in my local HMV store for 6.99 (thats Great British Pounds). If the person who asked me as I can't remember who it was wants to e:mail me personally, then I will get it for them. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: RE: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 20 Oct 1997 15:49:05 +0200 > On 20-Okt-97 A.D., Florian Schneider carved the following runes about > "(kw) Content-Type: text/plain": > > >KLING KLANG > Then Emanuel Mair wrote: >That's all you have to say?? When will the new album be released? =) Now I write !!! C'mon give it a rest. Florian (is it?) joins the list and the first question is "When will the new album be released?". If he wants to tell us, he will. Don't you think that if you ranked the ten most frequent questions to Kraftwerk all the top ten questions would be this one. In my opinion there are some questions that are asked once to often and this is one of them. What's the fun in waiting for a Kraftwerk album if you know when it's going to be relesed? Is anyone on this list going to stop listening to Kraftwerk if he doesn't answer? Are anyone on this list going to start dissliking Ralf and Florian if he doesn't answer? Don't think so ! We all know that someday there IS going to be a new album and not knowing whenever the new album will be released is part of the thrill in waiting that makes it just the more fun to wait for. Wouldn't you agree? Insted I think we all should join in a big: WELCOME TO THE LIST, FLORIAN. YOU JUST CAN'T BELIEVE HOW HAPPY WE ARE THAT YOU HAVE JOINED OUR LIST. WE HOPE YOU WILL ENJOY IT. Regards Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: RE: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 20 Oct 1997 16:05:56 +0200 > Don't you think that if you ranked the ten most frequent > questions to Kraftwerk all the top ten questions would be this one. Is the question 'What in hell is that crapped second new song all about' allowed ? > We all know that someday there IS going to be a new album How can we know ? Or better: Who confirmed that information ? (I know, 'Kommt schon') reagrds, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO" Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 20 Oct 1997 16:18:39 MET > From: "Florian Schneider" > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain > Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 04:47:18 PDT > > KLING KLANG > well, i think the first question in this case is, how can we we proof that this person is really Florian Schneider ? and the second question is, if this man is really Mr Schneider, will he ever answer any of our qusestions or contribute any informations regarding Kraftwerk ? at least there will be an open information-flow out of KlingKlang ;-) maybe Ralf+Florian have changed their information policy and they will now open the cyber-doors of KlingKlang to the cyber-space or they have been inspired by Karl Bartos:"Informations want to be free !" :-) just a few thoughts that came to my mind. bye Claudio Claudio G. Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de Civilization is the enemy of humanity Sturm und Klang fuer jedermann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 20 Oct 1997 16:24:21 +0200 >> On 20-Okt-97 A.D., Florian Schneider carved the following runes about >> "(kw) Content-Type: text/plain": >> >> >KLING KLANG >> >Then Emanuel Mair wrote: > >That's all you have to say?? When will the new album be >released? =3D) > >Insted I think we all should join in a big: >WELCOME TO THE LIST, FLORIAN. YOU JUST CAN'T BELIEVE HOW HAPPY WE ARE >THAT YOU HAVE JOINED OUR LIST. WE HOPE YOU WILL ENJOY IT. Do u really think that is our real Florian Schneider? I think that is only a joke of someone. I=B4m sure that THEY read this mail list but they never join to the list using a hotmail freemail. IMHO. Regards. Rafa. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 20 Oct 1997 11:05:00 -0400 (EDT) >> From: "Florian Schneider" >> To: kraftwerk@xmission.com >> Subject: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain >> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 04:47:18 PDT >> >> KLING KLANG >well, i think the first question in this case is, how can we we proof >that this person is really Florian Schneider ? Hehe, I find it amazing in and of itself that anyone out here would even think of entertaining the idea that this could actually be Florian. 50 years of reported introvert and anti-socialist, and one little gig in Karlsruhe finds him posting to the Kraftwerk mailing list on the Internet just two days later. Sounds plausible? hehehe, I think not. ;-) Anyway, think about it rationally: One of the main reasons why people use mail services like 'hotmail.com' is so they can conceal their identities for privacy purposes. Does anyone out here seriously think Florian would use a 'hotmail.com' address and yet still give his real name in the post? That would sort of defeat much of the purpose of having such an account in the first place. On top of that, why would Florian use the English 'manmachine' in his email address as opposed to something much more significant to him in his native German language? Just some thoughts to ponder for those of you who actually questioned the authenticity of our Florian post here. hehe. At the very least, I did get a chuckle out of the post and some of the responses it got, so at least it had some entertainment value, although admittedly just a tad. :) Whoever posted it is probably also having a good chuckle right about now too. -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "Wir sind Schaufensterpuppen..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: RE: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 20 Oct 1997 17:15:31 +0200 >Is the question 'What in hell is that crapped second new song all about' >allowed ? You don't have to ask me for permission to ask whatever question you like. I never said that, I just stated my opinion. My opinion was that this questions has been asked "zillion"? of times before and how many answers have we gott? and that it would be nicer if one was welcomed at first before questioned. Don't you agree? >How can we know ? Or better: Who confirmed that information ? (I know, >'Kommt schon') I said someday. Someday is somewhere between here and eternity. ;-) >Do u really think that is our real Florian Schneider? >I think that is only a joke of someone. >I=B4m sure that THEY read this mail list but they >never join to the list using a hotmail freemail. Nope noway, that's why I in the beggining of my mail wrote. >Florian (is it?) joins the list......=20 And of course it could be someone just pulling our leggs. If it's not Florian then time will tell but I'd rather try to be polite than suspicious. Regards Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) kw @ zkm / laurent garnier Date: 20 Oct 1997 17:46:39 +0200 heya all, first of all let me tell you that the opening of the zkm (great museum) was a very nice event. unfortunately the security-staff (rave-proven-company from frankfurt) examined every visitor to the graftwerk-gig very carefully. so i was standing for more than an hour in front of the doors. that's why i couldn't see or hear anything from xenia. when kraftwerk finally started, they faced several technical problems: first, the sound was "muddy" (matschig) - but that was fixed during the first songs. on the second song (homecomputer), no vocals could be heard. instead a noisy feedback occured. so it turned out to be a intrumental-version ;) this was also fixed later. the first new song they played (after the airwaves-intro) was great. very minimalistic techno but still very kraftwerk. actually this song could be hardhouse - release. the sound was very frankfurt-like. not really up-to date techno but very very pure and clear. i was a little bit disappointed of the tribal gathering song. it's not as cool as the new one.... btw: all songs were sung in german. very cool. i didn't know the german lyrics of pocketcalculator. very funny :) can you imagine kraftwerk doing improvisations ? that's exactly what they did when performing pocketcalculator. (very basic call-and-response jazz-pattern ;) so cool ! after the kw-performance, dj laurent garnier (mega-star in france, comparable to sven vaeth in germany) played his set of techno house. by making the mixed crowed of older and younger kraftwerk-fans dancing, he proved his status as word-class dj. very late, i think ist was about 3.30 am, he started mixing kraftwerk samples from muisc non-stop and computerworld into other songs. very nice. he finished about 10 minutes to 4 am. aprox. 100 people where still dancing. really cool atmosphere. all in all it was a nice day when i finally fell into bed at 7 hrs am ;) regards, andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH Information Design Schubertstraße 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin Niedergesaess Subject: RE: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 20 Oct 1997 17:50:18 +0200 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rafa [SMTP:deckard@arrakis.es] >=20 > I=B4m sure that THEY read this mail list but they > never join to the list using a hotmail freemail. >=20 > 1. If I was as famous as Florian, I would *never* use my real email > address for public > postings. Because when he gets annoyed by weird mails from around the > world he can=20 > quit his free email account and get him a new one. >=20 > 2. Alexander Zillner wrote: > >>Florian doesnt even know about the existing of a Mailing = List....... > after the meeting in Linz. > So I think that it is not completely unlikely that Florian joined the > list after getting back to DUS. > Now that he knows of the existence. >=20 >=20 >=20 > martin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christoph Soltmannowski Subject: (kw) Title of new KW album Date: 20 Oct 1997 18:02:10 +0000 What do you think about the following theory: The title of the new KW album will be =ABwww.kraftwerk.com=BB. On the Karlsruhe concert, there were posters for sale (I bought 2 of them) with just Kraftwerk in their neon suits and =ABwww.kraftwerk.com=BB= on it. There were also grey T-Shirts with =ABwww.kraftwerk.com=BB on them. A= nd www.kraftwerk.com was appearring fpr about 3 seconds after their Luton-Hoo-song on the 4 screens behind them. That much advertising for a website??? (which is, by the way, still very simple and poor on content at the moment). This must be the first merchandising items for their new album. I guess they have at least one song about the internet on their new album, and communication (and/or the Internet itself) will be at least one subject among these new songs. What do you think? Am I right? We could start a contest who gets the closest to what the title/theme of the new album will be. Christoph Soltmannowski "We are showroom dummies" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Subject: AW: (kw) ZKM small details Date: 20 Oct 1997 18:11:33 +0200 just returned from karlsruhe, The sound quality was fantastic and i hope that some nice bootlegs will be released soon. I think the sound was far away from beeing great. They had big trouble with the mix. The electronic voices that were so powerful in luton sounded very thin and the articulation was not that good (also due to acoustic problems) And all the trouble with the microphone. Everytime they turned up the channel, the music was heard through the mike too. There were even feedback problems. A good sound engineer should be aware of that.. I remember three new songs (including the lutton one) - all with no They played the robots two times. the first time with an empty stage and just some video sequences. after that the video panels moved up and four robots appeared. [Oliver] [Oliver] Next problem: I think, just like in Linz; they had problems with the video walls. the robots were already dancing, but the video screens did not move down. OS you could just see them dancing forr a minute or two before the song was over. I had quite a good view to ralf (four rows in front of him). He was looking very serious all the time and sometimes i had the impression he looked a little bit sad. [Oliver] i had the impression, as if this would be their last concert. They looked tired in a way. And I for myself was tired and a bit bored to listen to the same songs again. If they play TEE Live once again, I will leave the concert. During some moments of the concert, I had the idea, that at the end of the concert, they would announce that Kraftwerk is not performing or composing anymore. Cmon three new songs, all of a average quality, in almost a decade. Thats not very much. Ok, they are reworking their old stuff again and again. musique nonstop was the best live version they ever did, Manmachine was great. But that is not enough to keep up the legend for ever. When they played pocket calculator he sometimes pressed a button (to play a little melody...) on his small portable device (like in former concerts). BUT this was never synchronous with the music. always a little bit to late or too early. [Oliver] If you trigger tracks on a midi arrrangement, as I expect them to do, during pocket calculator, you have to do it a bit asynchronus, because you have to tell the program before the loop ends, what track it has to play next. So its always a bit out of sync. I also remembered that ralf had a file (leitz ordner oder sowas) in front of him and he turned the page one or two times during a song. [Oliver] Yeah, maybe he was reading a new book, or was it Alzheimer and it contained a script, when to press what button. I dont know... [Oliver] nix fuer ungut! take care Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) In case you were mistaken.... Date: 20 Oct 1997 17:28:54 +0000 .............the idea of an opinion poll regarding the Technopop existance was just a way a finding what the list members felt on this issue. Putting this issue to bed once and for all and finding out if it does exist is not the purpose of the opinion poll. Haven't some of you heard of the phrase, 'Harmless fun'? Some of the entries to this list are utter garbage in my opinion, but I do not post public messages back to the list identifying the person or my opinions on each individual topic, I just delete these unwanted and un-interesting messages from my mail folder. If you didn't want to participate, then don't worry, it isn't going to prove anything other than what the list members opinion is! That is what opinion poll means! Some vaild comments have been made, we know that an index number was given for Technopop, but no official recordings exist. I agree with this statement, but only on the basis that 'official' is the key word we are referring to. We also hazard a guess that if a promo version did exist, then why haven't we seen bootlegs? I would challenge this, as for the past twenty years I have collected rare records, and I have lost count of how many times material has been suddenly released which has either been lost or locked away in some vault by a particular artist. Plus, knowing the shroud which hangs over the whole KW image, it does not seem to unbeleivable for Ralph and Florian to take measures to stop Technopop recordings in any shape or form to reach the streets, look at how they can stop other things..........! And finally, a contact of mine who ran a collectors shop in Norwich, England has seen 12 inch vinyl copies of Technopop exchanging hands within the industry for large sums of money. He remembered in 1986 seing only one copy of this record and is a firm beleiver that something exists, whether it be an acetate or promo copy. To quantify my statements on some issues above, a friend of mine was given by his mother a present. It is a one sided acetate of an interview with Elvis Presley with one track at the end. When we took it to be valued at my friends shop in Norwich, he came up with the following response, "I have had it valued by some Elvis experts in London and their reply is that you should not be walking around the streets with this in your hands. All known copies of this acetate were thought to be destroyed, it was never released and it's contents have never been issued in any other format. We authenticated the voice as Elvis and our recommendation is that you lock this away in a bank vault if you are not willing to place it in auction". To this day it is in a bank vault. I think my friend could be sitting on a small fortune here. So what were some of you saying about it being hard to believe copies of material not existing which the artist has supposedly banned! Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christoph Soltmannowski Subject: (kw) Title of new KW album Date: 20 Oct 1997 18:02:10 +0000 What do you think about the following theory: The title of the new KW album will be =ABwww.kraftwerk.com=BB. On the Karlsruhe concert, there were posters for sale (I bought 2 of them) with just Kraftwerk in their neon suits and =ABwww.kraftwerk.com=BB= on it. There were also grey T-Shirts with =ABwww.kraftwerk.com=BB on them. A= nd www.kraftwerk.com was appearring fpr about 3 seconds after their Luton-Hoo-song on the 4 screens behind them. That much advertising for a website??? (which is, by the way, still very simple and poor on content at the moment). This must be the first merchandising items for their new album. I guess they have at least one song about the internet on their new album, and communication (and/or the Internet itself) will be at least one subject among these new songs. What do you think? Am I right? We could start a contest who gets the closest to what the title/theme of the new album will be. Christoph Soltmannowski "We are showroom dummies" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Subject: Re:(kw) ZKM small details Date: 20 Oct 1997 18:44:17 +0200 Sorry, I am sending this mail again, my email prg screwed up (how I love Outlook...) and my former reply did not make much sense. I hope this one works! > just returned from karlsruhe, > The sound quality was fantastic and i hope that some nice bootlegs will be released soon. I think the sound was far away from beeing great. They had big trouble with the mix. The electronic voices that were so powerful in luton sounded very thin and the articulation was not that good (also due to acoustic problems) And all the trouble with the microphone. Everytime they turned up the channel, the music was heard through the mike too. There were even feedback problems. A good sound engineer should be aware of that.. >I remember three new songs (including the lutton one) - all with no >They played the robots two times. the first time with an empty stage and >just some video sequences. >after that the video panels moved up and four robots appeared. Next problem: I think, just like in Linz; they had problems with the video walls. the robots were already dancing, but the video screens did not move down. OS you could just see them dancing forr a minute or two before the song was over. >I had quite a good view to ralf (four rows in front of him). >He was looking very serious all the time and sometimes i had the >impression he looked a little bit sad. I had the impression, as if this would be their last concert. They looked tired in a way. And I for myself was tired and a bit bored to listen to the same songs again. If they play TEE Live once again, I will leave the concert. During some moments of the concert, I had the idea, that at the end of the concert, they would announce that Kraftwerk is not performing or composing anymore. Cmon three new songs, all of a average quality, in almost a decade. Thats not very much. Ok, they are reworking their old stuff again and again. musique nonstop was the best live version they ever did, Manmachine was great. But that is not enough to keep up the legend for ever. >When they played pocket calculator he sometimes pressed a button (to >play a little melody...) on his small portable device (like in former >concerts). BUT this was never synchronous with the music. always a >little bit to late or too early. If you trigger tracks on a midi arrrangement, as I expect them to do, during pocket calculator, you have to do it a bit asynchronus, because you have to tell the program before the loop ends, what track it has to play next. So its always a bit out of sync. >I also remembered that ralf had a file (leitz ordner oder sowas) in >front of him and he turned the >page one or two times during a song. Yeah, maybe he was reading a new book, or was it Alzheimer and it contained a script, when to press what button. I dont know... nix fuer ungut! take care Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 20 Oct 1997 10:04:39 -0700 > From: Florian Schneider > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain > Date: Monday, October 20, 1997 4:47 AM > > KLING KLANG -!!!!- Can ANYone actually believe this is REALLY Florian Schneider- or just a cruel joke from a "fan" to give us all a massive heart attack?? Well, I DID find Karl Bartos listed on four11 under his real name with the handle "Geigerzahler"- 'very likely user name indeed! -(I think it was a Hotmail addy as well.)- I sent a brief polite note, which was politely ignored, ofcourse. -(I hear Wolfgang Flur is a lot friendlier.)- Okay, I'll byte.... Lieber Herr Schneider! Wilkommen! If it really IS you, I'll EAT my Computer AND my Stereo- as soon as I get the *NEW* album. *CHOMP-CRUNCH* Pass the salt & pepper, please.... BITTE- come tour the USA! We're STARVING for your VIBES over here. ps: We have some lovely Bike Trails here in the Northern California Redwoods. -(EUREKA!)- Come on over- you and Herr Hutter would LOVE it here! 'Nice vacation spot. Sincerely, ROBOT ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 20 Oct 1997 19:47:48 +0000 Sch=E4der Eric wrote: > = > WELCOME TO THE LIST, FLORIAN. YOU JUST CAN'T BELIEVE HOW HAPPY WE ARE > THAT YOU HAVE JOINED OUR LIST. WE HOPE YOU WILL ENJOY IT. I for one think it's really Florian posting to the list in a way that some doubts still remain. Very KW in style. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Måns Sjöstrand Subject: (kw) Linz & Karlsruhe questions Date: 20 Oct 1997 19:55:10 +0100 Hi all! This questions could maybe someone who was on the Linz or the Karlsruhe gigs answer. Q no 1. - During the concert was the Kling-klang studio in it`s classic V-shaped format or in the newer straight line format. Q no 2. - And during the Luton Hoo song did they were this "space" suits? Regards M=E5ns # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 20 Oct 1997 20:23:06 +0000 > > > From: Florian Schneider > > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > > Subject: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain > > Date: Monday, October 20, 1997 4:47 AM > > > > KLING KLANG > > this starts to look like a Ouija: "mmmh!...i can feel his presence...if you are Florian send us a sign ! ,just knock the table two times..." It's impossible that it can be Florian, at 4:47 AM they surely were hibernating until the next concert (within 5 or 6 years) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Title of new KW album Date: 20 Oct 1997 14:29:35 -0400 (EDT) In einer eMail vom 20.10.97 17:53:19 MEZ, schreibt soltoc@dial.eunet.ch: << What do you think about the following theory: The title of the new KW album will be <> >> Hmmm....my brother and me thought the same! And could the picture of the poster be the cover (or in the sleeve) of the new album ? I also think that the title of the song which was opened by the words and melody of "airwaves" could be "oscillation". Those oscillations (cool) on the screens were visible during the w h o l e song. And - the text was/is "wenn Wellen SCHWINGEN (=oscillate), ferne Stimmen singen". And you find oscillations in data-transmissions as well as in the airplay and music/voice. Carsten Bolte. Kiel. halb wesen - halb ding. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Olf Ranthiz Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk: ZKM 2CD available ! Date: 20 Oct 1997 23:37:32 +0200 I managed to get some extra copies of the CD "ZKM" which features the Karlsruhe Concert and will be available within this week. price is $40, the sound quality is amazing though it is an audience recording. -- take care tf ************************************************************* "Drinking and smoking are bad for the health" -Charles Bukowski # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Title of new KW album Date: 20 Oct 1997 20:50:31 -0700 >What do you think about the following theory: >The title of the new KW album will be =ABwww.kraftwerk.com=BB. How about, "Smell The Transistors", after all if these guys don't = deliver soon they will be in the "where are they now category" along = with Spinal Tap. mode.123 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) Title of new KW album Date: 20 Oct 1997 22:47:36 +0200 If their interest in the internet would be that big, that must already have found 'their' mailing list. regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Barth" Subject: (kw) My impressions of the Karlsruhe Concert Date: 20 Oct 1997 23:16:51 +0100 Hi list, 18 october, saturdaymorning I woke up early, got the bus and the train to get in time at the meetingpoint with some friends. I took the Linz concert report and a lot of Kraftwerk CD's (The German versions of course) with me, together with a portable CD player and a car adapter. So during our 7 1/2 hour trip I had enough opportunities to play the music I expected to be played at the gig for my fellow travellers more than they like. After two and a half hours drive and an hour trafic jam we reached the German border. From a flat country onto the Autobahn at once. And indeed "the track is a grey band, white stripes, green border. Before us lies a wide valley, the sun shines with sparkling ray". Only no radio. I have had enough of Schlagers and James Last in my life. After some stops and a meal (they had 50 cm (1 1/2 foot) long sausages, can you believe it?) and without any trouble, we reached Karlsruhe, went straight to the Luisenstrasse for hotel Barbarossa and checked in. (Thank you very much, Harald Westphal for the directions to all information about Karlsruhe.) After changing clothes, we went downstairs to "Me Kong" a rather good Thai and Chinese restaurant. Only no guests! Don't you Germans know what good food is? On a saturday night we were the only guests! Unbelievable. Well, as the time passed by, I got more excited (less than an hour to go, what if they didn't show up?). We went straight through the parc which had an awfull zoo smell. After some twenty minutes walkin towards the east, we found a lot of people in the street, walking and finding their way. It was half past aight, so I was much too late for the blue cube. Sorry listees. We got a small map and after following the signs to Kraftwerk we run into a crowd. all having Kraftwerk tickets in their hands. Just next to me was a guy with a badge, containing LED's programmed to act like a christmas tree. There were also some trucks from TV-stations. Around 9 some music started and I got very worried (but these nice and patient Germans around me were just waiting very patiently). At a quarter to ten, we had moved so far that I could see the program through the curtains which showed: 21:00 Xenia Moskwa 22:00 Kraftwerk 24:00 Laurent Garnier So I felt relieved that the weird music was not from Kraftwerk but from some guest. The time passed by faster than the row. About ten after ten I made it inside and although I was carrying a camera, I was not searched. But I must admit, it was very angry with the organisation that we had to wait so long. Inside there was a huge space. In the middle, opposite the entrances, there curtains and on both sides there were large video screens. The centre square was very crowded and the music was shit. There was also a balcony kind of thing. The whole space was only concrete, except for the glass roof and windows. It had very bad acoustics. In case you stood near me: I was carrying an almost white coat around my waist and a reebok sweatshirt. fter some time, when everybody was inside, some bleeps started... - Bleeping intro (random, but with the same random generator and seed as in 1981 and in 1991) - Meine Damen und Herrn, heute abend, (pause instead of "aus Deutschland") die Mensch Maschine, Kraftwerk - Nummern - Heimcomputer/It's more fun to compute - Mensch Maschine - Tour de France - Autobahn - Aetherwellen (unsmoothed) - Sellafield intro+ Radioaktivitaet - New title, no video, no lyrics (only understood some "vocoder" stuff saying "paperclip"???), clearly not finished - Trans Europa Express, Metall auf metall, Abzug - Taschenrechner - Roboter/Robotronik (no men, only machine) - New Song (as known from the Kraftwerk homepage and Luton Hoo), Kraftwerk goes spidermen - Music non stop (one by one Kraftwerk left the scene) and after some minutes the music stopped... Although I didn't use any flash (ISO 1600) and with a lot of other people taking pictures, some organising committee member threatened me to take my camera if I didn't stop taking pictures. So after "Tour de France", I had an escorte which should have given other people the opportunity to photograph and/or record the event. And instead of having many pictures, I had the chance to enjoy the show. In comparison with the '91 tour, there were only 4 new performed songs and the Sellafield Intro. - Die Mensch Maschine was very well done, only a pity it replaced the Model. - The Aetherwellen song (Airwaves) was very good done, a bit techno and very raw (unsmoothed). - The paperclip song (second new title) was the worst one. no head, no tail, no body, no video, no inspiration and no dancing. Kraftwerk, please redo your homework. - The Kraftwerk goes spiderman act (Last new title, Luton Hoo song) was also reasonable. The fun was that at all new songs, the crowd was very quiet. It seems that everybody was absorbing as much as possible of the new stuff and trying not to miss a second. About the show. I was glad a was there, it was good to there in Germany, hearing the German versions, in a hall which made the music sound like industrial music, surrounded by Germans. That's pure Kraftwerk. The bad thing was that there were only 3 new songs in 11 years! Please stop to be more than perfectionists and publish a new album even if you're only 80% satisfied. Well, after Kraftwerk was finished, we returned to the hotel. Kraftwerk was still playing in my head. The following mornig, there were a lot of young people at breakfast. There were the three of us, three younger guys who might have been at Kraftwerk, three guys and a lady who hadn't been to Kraftwerk, three guys of which one was wearing a yellow radioactivity shirt (definitely having been to Kraftwerk, a guy with a long tail, probably having been at Kraftwerk and a couple (I thought they stood before me during the concert). So leaving the scene behind us, we started in the fog to drive home. After some time,the sun broke through and there was a beautiful sunday, driving home on the autobahn and nursing a great experience. And today, 20 october, the cruel reality of working. Thanks Kraftwerk for this nice weekend. Regards, Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) zdf.msnbc article on KRAFTWERK Date: 21 Oct 1997 00:58:08 +0200 http://www.zdf.msnbc.de/news/4042.asp features an article about the karlsruhe gig. (in german only) regards, andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH Information Design Schubertstraße 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Florian Schneider on mailing list? Date: 21 Oct 1997 02:19:44 +0200 I think we all know that this "Florian Schneider" on the mailing list is a fake. What I think is that Florian - also as Ralf, Fritz and Henning - ist reading this list! Not under their real name...under a psydonyme, maybe or at the account of a friend. They just read, but they don't mail. They are watching us! And they will be very interested in all those guys who are offering bootlegs, recordings and photos from the gig's ;-)! The collect all the data and send it to Interpol, Deutsche Bank, FBI, Scotland Yard, CIA and KGB! So be aware! Georgie --=20 In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcaf=E9 - Direktverbindung TEE... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Again: New album... Date: 21 Oct 1997 02:35:32 +0200 How long will we still have to wait? Does anybody know, has anybody heard some news? It could be right that the album title will be "www.kraftwerk.com" so it would be a album about the internet. This would fit to the Luton song, which is part of the Wim Wenders film "The end of the violence" - a computer thriller, I heard. Georgie --=20 In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcaf=E9 - Direktverbindung TEE... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) The new songs... Date: 21 Oct 1997 02:40:07 +0200 Can anybody say exactly how many new songs Kraftwerk performed at their Gig's? I would say two: the one before "Trans Europa Express" and the song from Luton after "The robots". But what's with the "Airwaves" song? Has it got new parts, a new intro...or is it the third new song...and what do all these facts mean for the new album? Georgie --=20 In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcaf=E9 - Direktverbindung TEE... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) Again: New album... Date: 21 Oct 1997 01:54:52 +0200 At 02:35 1997-10-21 +0200, Georg Jajus wrote: > >How long will we still have to wait? Does anybody know, has anybody >heard some news? It could be right that the album title will be >"www.kraftwerk.com" so it would be a album about the internet. This >would fit to the Luton song, which is part of the Wim Wenders film "The >end of the violence" - a computer thriller, I heard. I would cry if that would be it. Internet was born 20 years ago, and Kraftwerk have already talked about numbers and people, cia and kgb... They were there -81 already. Namedropping: Electronic Supermarket, Electronic Life, Electronic Intelligence, Intelligence..., Technoise, Technique non stop Please save me from "Real Audioactivity" ,"Infobahn" ,"Javaland", "NetComputer" or any stuff like that.. =P //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) Florian Schneider on mailing list? Date: 21 Oct 1997 01:59:05 +0200 At 02:19 1997-10-21 +0200, Georg Jajus wrote: >They are watching us! And they will be very interested >in all those guys who are offering bootlegs, recordings and photos from >the gig's ;-)! The collect all the data and send it to Interpol, >Deutsche Bank, FBI, Scotland Yard, CIA and KGB! No.. They don't need the internet. They have their own ultra-intelligent machine that already knows everything about everything. They just need to connect their brains to it to keep updated. //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? Date: 21 Oct 1997 03:17:02 +0200 I don't know if or when it has been discussed before (sorry!), but has anybody tried to mail to the www.kraftwerk.com page? There would be a lot of possibilities for an E-mail adress, like "ralf.huetter@kraftwerk.com", "florian@kraftwerk.com" or "klingklang@kraftwerk.com". Any idea? Georgie --=20 In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcaf=E9 - Direktverbindung TEE... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? Date: 21 Oct 1997 02:40:03 +0200 On Tue, 21 Oct 1997 03:17:02 +0200, Georg Jajus wrote: > >I don't know if or when it has been discussed before (sorry!), but has >anybody tried to mail to the www.kraftwerk.com page? There would be a >lot of possibilities for an E-mail adress, like >"ralf.huetter@kraftwerk.com", "florian@kraftwerk.com" or >"klingklang@kraftwerk.com". Any idea? > Yes, I have tried severall times. The strange thing is that my messages did not get bounced! Arnaud de Bonald Paris, France, Europe=09 Home Page / Page personnelle: http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald =09 My own Music Page / Mes cr=E9ations musicales: http://www.chez.com/adb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julie Swanson" Subject: (kw) Radio Broadcast Date: 18 Oct 1997 22:40:14 +0100 Hi, Does anyone know if the latest Kraftwerk gigs will be available in Real audio. I sure hope so. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 20 Oct 1997 08:56:18 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Rafa wrote: > >> On 20-Okt-97 A.D., Florian Schneider carved the following runes about > >> "(kw) Content-Type: text/plain": > >> > >> >KLING KLANG >=20 > Do u really think that is our real Florian Schneider? > I think that is only a joke of someone. > I=B4m sure that THEY read this mail list but they > never join to the list using a hotmail freemail. Either way, it's a nice touch. A little something to get us stirred up. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously=20 * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christopher Gross" Subject: (kw) Who dat man? Date: 20 Oct 1997 08:28:42 PDT Whoever sent that 'Florian Schneider' letter did me a favor without realizing it. I haven't been able to e-mail from work for several weeks now, so I signed up with Hotmail just now and it works fine! My other e-mail addresses (cgross@erols.com and cgross@harris-pub.com) are still valid as well. BTW, Hotmail is not an anonymous service; the identities of its users can be verified (unless they flat-out lie when signing up, in which case they can be kicked out). Maybe it's him after all... In any case-- thanks a lot, "Florian"! Chris Gross ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christopher Gross" Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type blah blah Date: 20 Oct 1997 11:12:49 PDT jbv wrote: I for one think it's really Florian posting to the list in a way that some doubts still remain. Very KW in style. ___________ CG sez: It could be done. He's not listed in the members' directory, but that's optional (I'm not on there either, but I just signed up)... What he could have done is to register, send one message, and cancel his registration (assuming he doesn't still have an account). Hotmail would have a record of where "Florian" logged on from, but only they would know... ---- Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com, cgross@harris-pub.com, golem14@hotmail.com) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) ZKM small details Date: 20 Oct 1997 20:25:36 -0700 >I had the impression, as if this would be their last concert. They = looked=20 >tired in a way. And I for myself was tired and a bit bored to listen to = the=20 They've only played a few concerts this year, why on earth should they = be so tired! After all a 10 year sabbatical is more than enough for most = of us!! >same songs again. If they play TEE Live once again, I will leave the=20 >concert. TEE is perhaps their definitive song, they should NEVER stop playing = it.=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream Subject: (kw) (no subject) Date: 21 Oct 1997 00:46:18 -0400 man! this entire 'Florian Schneider message' thing is just like 'The Philadelphia Experiment' of our own. I wouldn't be surprised if one day the guy who came up with this message turns out to be Carl Allen himself. on another topic.... Few days ago I came across a message about Kraftwerk's appearance at tribal gathering in Miami (march 98)...I think it was sent by Klaus Zaepke...any further details on that Klaus? Is it reliable and confirmed? Please give us more info. Thnx. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Real KW e-addresses? Date: 21 Oct 1997 01:39:39 -0400 Maybe someone should key in "kraftwerk.com" at the www.four11.com site, a place to look up e-addresses? Who knows who we can reach! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlie Crash" <303@iname.com> Subject: SV: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 21 Oct 1997 07:25:33 +0200 >=20 > KLING KLANG >=20 If Florian really sent that note, he must be sitting in D=FCsseldorf and laughing his ass off watching all the fuzz he created just by printing a couple off letters...Just like pooring sugar over a pile of ants... ///CC # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlie Crash" <303@iname.com> Subject: SV: (kw) Article on ZKM & Concert in todays "DIE WELT" Date: 21 Oct 1997 07:17:42 +0200 >PSPS: The "strap-it-around-the-balls" approach worked perfectly again! You >know what I am talking about :-) Hmmm...I must have some braincells still working to pop such a great idea ;-) ///CC # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ---------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) ZKM small details Date: 20 Oct 1997 23:49:07 -0700 -(latest debate)- >> If they play TEE Live once again, I will leave the concert. -(rebuttle)- > TEE is perhaps their definitive song, they should NEVER stop playing it. I don't care WHICH songs they play, as long as they never stop with "Die ROBOTER". THAT is their definitive song. "We are the ROBOTS". It doesn't get any more "definitive" than that. I 'd be eternally grateful to hear them *LIVE* just once. So, quit griping. You're damned lucky to see 'em perform at all. -(ENVY-ENVY-ENVY)- Hey, Florian- if that really IS you- are you SURE you want to know what goes on on this Mail List?*snicker*! I mean, with all due respect, we LOVE your MusiK and all -it's a very deep and unexplainable *connection*- but, you gotta quit jerking us around, okay? Some of us have weak hearts. Go easy, eh? -(I'm still gonna eat my Stereo when I get the new album.)- So, what's this rumor about KW playing TG at Miami in March '98? None of this is real. I'm stuck in a HoloDeck program.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thorsten Dowe Subject: Re: (kw) The new songs... Date: 21 Oct 1997 08:52:00 +0200 Georg Jajus wrote: > But what's with the "Airwaves" > song? Has it got new parts, a new intro...or is it the third new > song... I can't say though I listen to Kraftwerk since 1980. It seemed not to be any similiar to Airwaves. But it was the best piece of techno I've heard for ages. Clear and hard sounds. In my opinion the sound-quality was low. I think they had too few amplification-power. Same effect like at home: Heavy bass (and it was heavy bass at the concert) kills clear highes. The place was hardly tunable. It was more wide than long. Also this 'Dolby-Surround' experiment was not very impressive. Very mixed up volume in the back rows. Thorsten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 21 Oct 1997 08:27:49 GMT Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > Hehe, I find it amazing in and of itself that anyone out here would >even think of entertaining the idea that this could actually be Florian Dunno Scotty, it had me fooled! Bloody Nora, 3 weeks in the states, and I come back to another 'stir up' - not started by me!! Good old List, it never fails me!!! Keep up the good werk. ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? Date: 21 Oct 1997 08:32:52 GMT Georg Jajus wrote: >I don't know if or when it has been discussed before (sorry!), but has >anybody tried to mail to the www.kraftwerk.com page? There would be a >lot of possibilities for an E-mail adress, like >"ralf.huetter@kraftwerk.com", "florian@kraftwerk.com" or >"klingklang@kraftwerk.com". Any idea? here we go again, please read the archives. ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) ZKM small details Date: 21 Oct 1997 09:50:29 GMT ROBOT wrote: >So, >what's this rumor about KW playing TG at Miami in March '98? > dunno ROBOT, but i hope whilst they are there, they substitute one of the robots for Jan Hammer. I'd personally like to see him plugged into the mains via his butt! Serves him right for all those awful 'moody' miami vice themes! See ya on the channel, ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 21 Oct 1997 10:51:47 GMT Sch=E4der Eric wrote: >We all know that someday there IS going to be a new >album=20 > do we, you seem mighty well informed then! > >and not knowing whenever the new album will be released is part of >the thrill in waiting that makes it just the more fun to wait for. >Wouldn't you agree? > I refer you to the current technopop 'scrum'. Please note Craig Land's comments on this subject. Here is a prime example of an album due for release, then scrapped in it's existing form. ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "STEINBORN JENS" Subject: (kw) TAZ-article Date: 21 Oct 1997 12:55:29 MET Hi! Todays issue of "TAZ- die Tageszeitung" features an article about Kraftwerks gig in Karlsruhe. It is quite negative! Check it out at "http://www.taz.de/ ~taz/971021.taz/ku_T971021.157.html" Jens --- Die (nu) - Campuszeitung aus Trier Skandaloes tendenzioes # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlie Crash" <303@iname.com> Subject: (kw) Run my rude rider... Date: 21 Oct 1997 13:13:55 +0200 =AE0|=E1=D1=F0 =86b=AD 303@iname.com=20 http://home6.swipnet.se/~w-62549 New provider, New (but same) home, New (and old) songs, New formats, New icons and a KW-remix with a link. ///CC (God! how happy I am to get rid of Geocities - They are hopelessly incompetent) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: AW: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? Date: 21 Oct 1997 14:51:25 +0200 whois kraftwerk.com: KlingklangR Studio c/o Andreas Kuckartz KRAFTWERK2-DOM Hochstrasse 24 Dortmund, D-44149 DE Domain Name: KRAFTWERK.COM Administrative Contact: Kuckartz, Andreas AK978 compusic@COMPUSERVE.COM +49 (231) 9 17 30 26 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Cantera, David DC458 dcantera@IACNET.NET (609)778-1653 Billing Contact: Kuckartz, Andreas AK978 compusic@COMPUSERVE.COM +49 (231) 9 17 30 26 Record last updated on 18-Aug-97. Record created on 03-Dec-96. Database last updated on 21-Oct-97 05:16:59 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: IAC.IACNET.NET 207.106.88.100 NEWS.IACNET.NET 207.106.88.110 NS2.IACNET.NET 207.106.88.102 you may also contact andreas kuckartz via http://www.compusic.com regards, andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH Information Design Schubertstraße 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Georg Jajus [SMTP:Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at] Gesendet am: Dienstag, 21. Oktober 1997 03:17 An: kraftwerk@xmission.com Betreff: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? I don't know if or when it has been discussed before (sorry!), but has anybody tried to mail to the www.kraftwerk.com page? There would be a lot of possibilities for an E-mail adress, like "ralf.huetter@kraftwerk.com", "florian@kraftwerk.com" or "klingklang@kraftwerk.com". Any idea? Georgie -- In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcafé - Direktverbindung TEE... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: Re: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? Date: 21 Oct 1997 15:07:54 +0200 Hi, >Yes, I have tried severall times. >The strange thing is that my messages did not get bounced! No, not is a strange thing. You can configure a mail server for reciving all possibles mail address for one domain. For this reason I think that people of www.kraftwerk.com must have read all our messages. I remember that when appeared the www.kraftwerk.com some moths ago I send many messages trying some adresses like florian@kraftwerk.com, ralf@kraftwerk.com, klingklang@kraftwerk.com ... etc...., and a week later I recived a misterious and anonymous mail saying that is a crime send mails to people that you don=B4t know and they will be controlling my actions. The mail was signatured by "The Internet Police" or something like that. Of course this mail was a joke... but... A joke from... THE BOYS? I would like to know if anybody recived a mail like this? Thanks Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Photos from Linz! Date: 21 Oct 1997 16:09:21 +0200 Just got the negative stripes from Linz. Some seem to be great! Georgie --=20 In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcaf=E9 - Direktverbindung TEE... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: Re: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? Date: 21 Oct 1997 15:31:59 +0200 >who was the sender of that internetpoilice message? >Or was it anonymous? The mail was totally anonymous. It was send from a server in Finland that offers this service (make anonymous your mails). >did you reply to them? Yes, I reply something like... " X- ))))))) " Adios. Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Withers Jerry PN SAP Subject: (kw) Bootleg does exist Date: 21 Oct 1997 17:14:14 +0200 The wierdest thing happened to me as I was leaving the gig in Karlsruhe last saturday. This guy stopped me and asked if I could drive him home to Heidelberg. Since we were driving to Mannheim - which is only 8 miles away, I told him I had to ask our driver if he was willing. He then said that if we would do it he would give us a live recording of the gig in exchange for the ride. You can imagine my reaction. Anyway he showed me his mini-disc recorder and it was a done deal. Later we gave him our address and he said he would send us a DAT copy of the mini-disc. If he really does, we have yet to see. I'll let you know if he does. Even if he doesn't send us the copy he said he would - at least I know that there is a bootleg of the Karlsruhe concert. Jerry Only AMIGA makes it possible! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alden Consulting Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 21 Oct 1997 11:29:33 -0400 I believe that it's from Elvis. Can we all get along now? Alex Laney (from Ottawa, home of the Official Elvis Sighting Society, incidentally) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Olf Ranthiz Subject: (kw) karlruhe photos Date: 21 Oct 1997 19:45:49 +0200 http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ae64/kraftwerk.html -- take care tf ************************************************************* "Drinking and smoking are bad for the health" -Charles Bukowski # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 21 Oct 1997 16:59:56 +0000 > > I believe that it's from Elvis. > > Can we all get along now? > > Alex Laney > (from Ottawa, home of the Official Elvis Sighting Society, incidentally) Are you sure, I heard Elvis was spotted with a pale skinny man with a large head in Area 57!!!!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Gray" Subject: (kw) Fw: Message Bounce: Fan Club?????? Date: 21 Oct 1997 08:11:06 +0100 Is there an official or unofficial fan club for Kraftwerk???? For info on tour dates, releases etc....... I would hate to miss a once in a lifetime live show... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) KW on the list Date: 21 Oct 1997 18:37:56 +0000 Honnestly, I don't think that it really matters to know whether Forian sent this message or not. Frankly, do you think that a band who - released an album called Computer World 15 years ago - has an official Web site - selles T-shirts with www.KW.com is not aware of this list ? When I got my internet connection about 6 months ago, the first thing I did was to log on Yahoo and search KW. If KW members didn't find the list themselves, they obviously got the info from one of their engineers a long time ago. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Four robots and two funerals Date: 21 Oct 1997 18:50:11 +0000 Now that Mister Schneider-Esleben is on the list, it's time to post a few comments on the last two gigs. First Linz. I couldn't make it in time for the list meeting, and I regret it for I think that was the only interesting part of the gig. I had to sell a few tickets with no extra charge. It only took 45 seconds to sell them, although I looked suspiscious to a few people who didn't understand why there was no extra charge, and double-checked if the tickets were really for the KW gig. After that I went inside the entrance hall, where a guy was selling some ugly T-shirts with various robots, autobahn & RA signs on them. Another one featured www.kraftwerk.com, and I think people must be very stupid to pay to wear some publicity for a band. I for one would even not accept to get paid to wear that kind of crap... Then the gig started. Once again, there was Numbers, KomputerWelt, HeimKomputer, and so on. With terrible balance problems between Ralf's keyboard and the rest of the crew. And also mike problems. I have a question : how come these people who are supposed to rehearse and work from 5 to 12 pm every day for 25 years can still have this kind of problems ? From the beginning of the show, I had the feeling that every other member was following Ralf, especially Florian who was looking at him quite often. To me, it looked like Ralf Hutter and band. At times, Florian was reading the newspapers (just to kill time, I presume). I think they could remove the 3 or 4 first songs from the show (including MM) because these versions are quite poor compared to the originals (and to various live versions known on bootlegs). Furthermore, the graphics are such a pity that I couldn't watch the screens for more than a few seconds without feeling ashame for them. It's only some tasteless stuff inspired by cartoon generics such as Mister Magoo or Pink Panther. IMO, without Schult, these guys are nothing. Of course, there was also Autobahn, RA, TEE and Tour de France (and their wonderful videos) which gave me chills. But nothing really new. There was also the remix version of "Airwaves". The entire piece IS Airwaves, not only the intro. In Linz, there was a synth riff all along it which was very similar to the original melody. The idea of displaying waveforms of the stereo mix in real time is quite good, although it gets boring after 30 sec. Then there was a new song, with no lyrics, no graphics, no concept, no interest. Only techno-like background noise for supermarket parking lots. That's the main problem with their new material : there's no concept behind and therefore it doesn't go anywhere and made me yawn. After that, they tried to do "The Robots". But Florian's robot was so shy that it decided to stay behind the screen. Then, 3 robots went on strike. Ralf's robot was doing large gestures to make them change their minds, made lots of promises (higher wages, better batteries, and even a new album before july 2012) but nothing worked. After that, the 4 guys came back in their ugly green pyjamas. They tried to make a cover version of "We are DEVO" but couldn't remember the chord progression. Instead, they made a few noises with their gear (aka "the Luton song") just to check if it was still working. Then it was quite late. So they set up their sophisticated alarm-clocks (aka the Kling-Klang studio) to the "Music Non Stop" program, and went to bed one after each other like good boys. --------- Karlsruhe, two days later. Once again, I missed the list meeting as I didn't get any fresh info about a possible meeting point. Indeed, the audience was treated like cattle by the security (very industrial concept) and we finally stepped inside the (very crowded) concert hall. From the first seconds of the show, it was obvious that this place has the worst acoustics I've ever heard. If this thing has been built with the taxpayers money, you german guys have been screwed. As it was impossible to see anything on the stage from where we were (and because the sound was awfull), we went back to the entrance, in front of the large video screen, where the musicians could at least be seen far away. The sound was still awfull, although we could tell which song they were playing. Believe or not, the show was EXACTLY the same as in Linz. Even the image freezes during the Airwaves remix. My girlfriend (who never really listened to them and who is a big fan of techno) got bored quite soon, except after TEE, when she told me "that one was not bad". -------- OK. I could go on and on like that for a while, but I think you get the picture. 15 years ago, these people claimed to be influenced by James Brown. Now they're influenced by market rules. 15 years ago, AFAIR, gigs were really hot and groovy : you had the feeling that these guys were really playing, and that anything could happen. And all the audience was dancing. Now they just deliver a digestified package gig, a slide-show with soundtrack, straight from the freezer. They looked like Frank Sinatra playing "Strangers in the Night" for the 257th time in Las Vegas. The live mix concept drove them to a dead end. Furthermore, I think that they're mainly faking ! I carefully checked their hands (at least in Linz, coz I was sitting at the bacony with a good view of the set) : these guys are almost playing nothing ! Only Ralf plays the main theme of some songs on his keyboard. At times, it's clear that Florian was doing something, for he pressed one of his pedals and a new sound was added to the mix. I really think that most of the stuff is not on tape, but is stored somewhere as MIDI files and MIDI sequences, and the only thing they do is to trigger / stop sequences and patterns. In Linz, after the video mistake at the beginning of Music Non Stop, it was clear that all the rythmic patterns started as soon as the right video started. Of course, they have access to the same samples on the kbrds (and they used it to fill in the blanks before the video starts), but anyway, very few is played live. At least, in 81 and 91, the first rows of the audience was allowed to press buttons of their pocket instruments (in 81, I personnally pressed a key on Florian's device, and it triggered some bleep on the gear behind). Now it doesn't really mean anything anymore. I'm sure that most of the gig was fake. Even PC (at least in Karlsruhe, for in Linz I noticed some relationship between what Ralf was playing and the main melody). Finally, it really wasn't worth driving 2500 km for that. To tell the truth, I feel as much disapointed as after the Residents' Mole show tour in summer 81 : after that, I never listened to them again. I think I'm gonna put my KW stuff aside for a while... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) PS : four robots and two funerals Date: 21 Oct 1997 18:54:33 +0000 Forgot to tell you : When the russian lyrics of Robots were displayed on the screen, my girlfriend noticed TWO mistakes. Such perfectionnists... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Florian Schneider" Subject: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 21 Oct 1997 10:03:43 CEST O.K. It’ s time to drop the Florian antivirus to the list. It was great to be a member of the group for a day, but I am also a serious member of this list on another address (won’t tell you which, in case of flames), so I never intended to pull this charade further than this. The KLING KLANG message was addressed to all of you who tells newcomers to the list that the new record is available in Düsseldorf and things like that, therefore It is of great entertainmentvalue to see old JBV getting hooked like a hungry fish on this mail. HA HA! (not that I want to put a stop to jokes like that or this, but just to pull your legs as well!) I’ m also glad that most of you found it funny too, supposing it wasn’t the big ”F” himself. A special apology to ROBOT, I know you were hoping maybe more than anybody else, I would surely hope it to be the real Florian myself if I din’t know better, but this is why I send this mail now, and not later. I’m also glad that I did Chris Gross a favor, actually, It works better on hotmail for me as well than it does at the office-mail, and I’m NOT a shareholder of hotmail.com. So, this is the last e-mail Florian will send from this address to the list, but I will keep it for listening on the list when my own mails won’t come through. I hope the real guys will someday join us (maybe they are here already trying to sue me after this, or just laughing) but then I think they have to prove in someway that they are real, I think the list is even more suspicious now than ever don’t you??? KLING KLANG ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Wiethoff Subject: (kw) Photos of Karlsruhe ZKM gig! Date: 21 Oct 1997 13:29:38 +0200 (CES) Hi, on saturday, I managed to sneak a camera into the ZKM gig. The (of course only partially impressive results) are at http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ae64/kraftwerk.html Enjoy! -- Andreas Wiethoff E-mail: ae64@iamm06.mathematik.uni-karlsruhe.de WWW : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Andreas.Wiethoff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Date: 21 Oct 1997 16:57:58 +0100 during one of the new songs @ karlsruhe, it seemed to me as if the sounds didn=B4t work all well, and the four on stage faced each other pretty= surprised for a few seconds, did anybody have the same impression? thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? Date: 21 Oct 1997 10:38:19 -0700 -(Rafa reports)- > [SNIP] "The Internet Police" or something like that. > Of course this mail was a joke... but... > A joke from... THE BOYS? > I would like to know if anybody recived a mail like this? Hm-m-m, that's weird. I've sent 3 or 4 short messages over the past 10 months to ralf or florian -at- kraftwerk.com, wishing happy birthday or simply commenting on the page. No bounce, no reply.*shrug*. I guess I didn't bug 'em enough to get "busted" -and I'm not gonna push my luck!*HeeHee*! "Net Police"- HA! I always knew R&F were in the CIA and KGB, controling the data memory. Okay, boys, if you're monitoring, I surrender. I submit to Die MENSCH.MASCHINE! No need for handcuffs. -(unless you guys are into that sort of thing.*giggle*.)- I'll go willingly. Hook me up to your equipment and experiment on me- do anything you want. Resistance is futile. Assimilate me! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 21 Oct 1997 19:40:18 +0000 Florian Schneider wrote: > = > The KLING KLANG message was addressed to all of you who tells newcomers= > to the list that the new record is available in D=FCsseldorf and things= > like that, therefore It is of great entertainmentvalue to see old JBV > getting hooked like a hungry fish on this mail. HA HA! (not that I want= > to put a stop to jokes like that or this, but just to pull your legs as= > well!) > = No no no ! I know it was Florian for sure. I'm positive about it. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dfee@juno.com (David P Fee) Subject: (kw) addresses @kraftwerk.com Date: 21 Oct 1997 11:39:25 -0700 Hi all! I'm sure someone else will have already found these, but the following addresses were found using four11: Joachim Gola Hamburg, Germany E-Mail Address: joachim.go@kraftwerk.com Karl-Heinz Piotrowski Hamburg, Germany E-Mail Address: pio@kraftwerk.com ...Anybody know who these guys are? Maybe studio employees? This does not, of course, mean that there aren't other addresses there... they could be "unlisted" or otherwise disguised. Hmm... I don't think the real guys, R&F, would like to be bothered. Just try to imagine what it must be like to have fans as impassioned as some of us are! It must be dreadful! They probably don't read the list... they're probably afraid to! Thanks to all those lucky list members who got to see KW live and were willing to share comments on the event(s) they experienced. David # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jens Steinborn" Subject: Re:(kw) Real KW e-addresses? Date: 21 Oct 1997 20:55:41 +0200 Hi! If you search at "www.four11.com" you get the following results: >>>Successful Search, Found 4 Matches Name E-Mail Location=20 Claudia Gerdes=20 @kraftwerk.com=20 Joachim Gola=20 @kraftwerk.com=20 Karl-Heinz Piotrowski=20 @kraftwerk.com=20 Peter Reelfs=20 @kraftwerk.com <<< Any idea, who these people are? Jens. "... auf kleinen Rollern, das sind fantastische Apparate" wonko, der verst=E4ndige # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jens Steinborn" Subject: (kw) New Album :-( Date: 21 Oct 1997 21:15:49 +0200 Hi! Today I phoned up the german promotion department of EMI and asked them about the new album of Kw and about the rumours of a release of an EP wit= h new songs before christmas. Well, I think you all know what the answer was: "we have no information about that, all what we can tell is that Kw is working on new material an= d an album will be released next time." No comment. Jens. "... auf kleinen Rollern, das sind fantastische Apparate" wonko, der verst=E4ndige # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:35:31 +0200 Date: 21 Oct 1997 13:37:27 -0600 Hi there! Could anyone be kind enough to send me the OCR font (as on Computer World)? Please!! /Uffe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Miami concert rumour Date: 21 Oct 1997 22:11:33 +0000 > Few days ago I came across a message about Kraftwerk's appearance at > tribal gathering in Miami (march 98)...I think it was sent by Klaus > Zaepke... No, sorry, that wasn't sent by me. > any further details on that Klaus? Is it reliable and > confirmed? Definitely not confirmed, and also not very reliable, IMHO. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) MEMI Karlsruhe review Date: 21 Oct 1997 22:11:34 +0000 A review of the Karlsruhe concert (in German) can be found at http://memi.infotour.com/aktuell/konzerte/kraftwerk.html Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Pressespiegel Date: 21 Oct 1997 22:11:35 +0000 The Duesseldorf edition of the German magazine "Prinz" (October issue) contains a short review of Kraftwerk's Tribal Gathering appearance. The same article (but with different pictures) can be also found in the October issues of "Meier" and "Lift". The second part of the Kraftwerk retrospective in the freebie "Play" magazine was rescheduled for the November issue. The Badische Neueste Nachrichten, 15.10.1997, contained a ZKM supplement with a preview of the Kraftwerk concert in Karlsruhe. This article claimed that Florian Schneider has actually *accepted* the offer for a professorship at the Hochschule fuer Gestaltung Karlsruhe, while ZKM head Prof. Klotz stated on German TV three days ago that he was only *confident* that Schneider will come to Karlsruhe. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) The Karlsruhe Soundcheck Date: 21 Oct 1997 22:11:35 +0000 > However three new tracks is hardly prolific Maybe the total number of new tracks is five. I've listened to parts of the soundcheck in Karlsruhe, and I've got the impression that they played two more new songs during the soundcheck, which weren't performed at the concert. These two tracks were soundchecked before and after "Autobahn". Has anyone else heard the soundcheck? I would be interested in a second opinion. Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Fw: Message Bounce: Fan Club?????? Date: 21 Oct 1997 20:37:00 -0700 >For info on tour dates, releases etc....... If you hadn't noticed tours and album releases tend to be rather sporadic. mode.123 ('A lifelong Depeche Mode Fan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Four robots and two funerals Date: 21 Oct 1997 21:12:32 -0700 JBV wrote a long and tedious e-mail attempting to rubbish Kraftwerk's = current activities which I am not including in this message. However, the key points seemed to be: 1) The gigs were poor Well at least you got to see both of them, for this you should be = grateful. 2) The new material is boring techno If the band reads messages on this list they may decide not to bother = releasing a new album. If the people the band are trying to satisfy = (their 'fans') are ultra critical of new material why bother releasing = it? R & F have always been sensitive to criticism, especially when it = comes from so close to home.=20 If the album is scrapped due to people like JBV I for one will be very = bitter. JBV AT LEAST YOU HAVE HEARD THE NEW MATERIAL - MANY OF US HAVE = NOT. PLEASE DO NOT SPOIL THE CHANCES FOR EVERYONE ELSE. 3) WWW.KRAFTWER.COM should not be used as a marketing concept on tee = shirts Putting this on tee shirts does not bother me. What does is the actual = site. I didn't realise it was genuinely owned by the band. It is utter = RUBBISH, in fact it is actually so bad that it is funny. It sets = standards which Spinal Tap never approached. Concepts like Smell the = Glove, Intravenous Demilo pale into insignificance if that web site = really is owned by the band. PLEASE GOD - this must be a joke?? Regards to all fans mode.123 (A Lifelong Depeche Mode Fan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) The Russian "Robots" lyrics Date: 21 Oct 1997 22:11:36 +0000 > When the russian lyrics of Robots were displayed on the screen, my > girlfriend noticed TWO mistakes. I guess the first one was that they wrote "Robotnik" instead of "Rabotnik"? This is most probably not a mistake, but an intentional variation of the original word. But what was the second one? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Four robots and two funerals Date: 21 Oct 1997 22:39:09 +0000 **************** wrote: > > JBV wrote a long and tedious e-mail attempting to rubbish Kraftwerk's current activities which I am not including in this message. > No. I just expressed some personal opinions about 2 recent gigs, based on 26 years of faithful support to KW. > If the album is scrapped due to people like JBV I for one will be very bitter. Wow ! I didn't realize that they didn't release anything new in 11 years just because of me... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Re: (kw) Four robots and two funerals Date: 21 Oct 1997 16:49:01 -0400 **************** wrote: > If the band reads messages on this list they may decide not > to bother releasing a new album. If the people the band are > trying to satisfy (their 'fans') are ultra critical of new material > why bother releasing it? R & F have always been sensitive to > criticism, especially when it comes from so close to home. This is patently ridiculous. If they're so insecure that five or six people's opinion will sway them to release an album or not, then maybe they shouldn't be in this business any longer. Kraftwerk have always been leaders, never followers. They'll release a new album when they're good and ready, and I'm sure that my or your opinion will have little or nothing to do with it. And if they never release another album, I'll be happy with their oeuvre all the same. > 3) WWW.KRAFTWER.COM > Putting this on tee shirts does not bother me. What does is the > actual site. I didn't realise it was genuinely owned by the band. > It is utter RUBBISH, in fact it is actually so bad that it is funny. > It sets standards which Spinal Tap never approached. For someone who is worried about offending Kraftwerk, you sure don't write like it. -- Adam J Weitzman -- Individual, Inc. -- http://www.individual.com -- "We need your fax number in order to respect your wishes not to receive unsolicited faxes." - a Microsoft registration screen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "kraftwerk.com" e-mail adresses Date: 21 Oct 1997 22:11:36 +0000 > If you search at "www.four11.com" you get the following results: > >>>Successful Search, Found 4 Matches > Claudia Gerdes @kraftwerk.com > Joachim Gola @kraftwerk.com > Karl-Heinz Piotrowski @kraftwerk.com > Peter Reelfs @kraftwerk.com <<< > > Any idea, who these people are? Before Kraftwerk obtained the rights for kraftwerk.com, the domain was owned by the MACup company. It appears that the "four11"-database is outdated, and that the above people are MACup employees. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: c.erz@ndh.net (Christian Erz) Subject: #161 / Re: (kw) Karlsruhe Date: 21 Oct 1997 22:14:14 GMT on Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:07:41 +0200=20 gekn@ebifsol9.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerd Knochenhauer) wrote: > The concert wasn't sold out and ...=20 My Ticketservice (CTS/NRW/Germny) answered my question=20 for more two more tickets simply with: "Sorry, but the=20 concert has been sold out!" :-( weeks befor starting it(!) > Christian Erz wondered in his mail why the concert > startet half an hour late. The reason is simple: > because of the small entrances and the strict security > many people didn't manage to get in till half past ten! I guess that this could be a reason of Ralf und Florian for looking sometimes so very grave and a little disappointed; their first concert in germany a lot of years ago, started with a ninety-minute-enforced-break?! ... es wir immer weitergeh=B4n, Musik als Tr=E4ger von Ideen... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: c.erz@ndh.net (Christian Erz) Subject: #161 / Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 21 Oct 1997 22:14:15 GMT On 20-Okt-97 manmachine@hotmail.com wrote Kraftwerk Mailinglist Issue #161 >KLING KLANG WELCOME TO THE LIST, FLORIAN ! :=B4-) =20 robotized -- Tschak, tschak, tschak booiijngh .... iijngh, clapp -- That=B4s a very wild affair, IMAO a wow :-)Congratulation to this step.=20 >KLNIG KLANG ...withbothhandsoverthetablejumping/mitbeidenh=E4nden=FCberdentischspring= end: BTW: Want a cup of coffee? ;-) ...their would be some tiny questions >KLING KLANG BUT :( ... how we make it possible that we can accept that your are the real Florian Schneider, who we all know as a member of a (THE!) german group called _Kraftwerk_? Only your account at h*t.m=FCll.c*m .... sorry, but I just wondered about that. :) Make funny jokes again? But if you are NOT only a fake I will eat my stereo and myself,too >;-)! *** Hast Du keine Antenne, guckst Du nur! ;-) *** =20 TAFN&CYL8R - - - email: c.erz@ndh.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oli Hebel Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe Gig Date: 22 Oct 1997 01:03:34 +0200 Gerd Knochenhauer wrote: > Hi again, > ... I feel like I am the only one who was a little > bit disappointed by the concert in > Karlsruhe. No, you are not the only one who is disappointed a little bit. The Karlsruhe-gig was the fourth KW that I saw (incl. Düsseldorf & Frankfurt '91 & Osnabrück '93) and this show was the worst they played. It started with this security-procedure at this two little entrance- doors. (But they didn't search good enough for my MD-Walkman and my girlfriends camera.) :) It took about 40 mins to get into the building! Then inside it was so crowded that nothing would have happened to you if you fall asleep. At last the sound quality was so bad. Loads! of heavy deep bass produced with too little speakers, only little midrange (did anybody notice that nearly all songs were played instrumental and the rare vocals were very hard to hear!? Did you notice, that imediately when Ralf started to sing something, his mic and the speakers began to produce heavy interferences!? Let's hope that the forthcoming gigs (if there will be some) will be better in organisation and performance. Regards, Oli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour Jgenti Subject: Re: (kw) The Russian "Robots" lyrics Date: 22 Oct 1997 01:28:10 +0200 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > I guess the first one was that they wrote "Robotnik" instead of > "Rabotnik"? This is most probably not a mistake, but an intentional > variation of the original word. Yes, I think it's intentional, to morph the original word with the word "robot": rabotnik + robot = robotnik :-) Though actually it's not gramatically correct in russian and sounds weird... > But what was the second one? I guess (if the video was the same as in Luton) that the second error was the G letter in the word "sluga" which was inversed. It normally looks like a capital greek gamma, and KW mirrored it... Tim -- timour.jgenti@hol.fr ------------------- timour.jgenti@ifp.fr ------------------- http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Noah Gelb Subject: (kw) Paper Date: 21 Oct 1997 22:06:23 -0500 Hello all, I'm doing a research paper on Kraftwerk. I plan to study the group, their music, their influences, and who they influenced themselves. If anyone knows of any good research material for the group (preferably books/magazines, not just websites) I'd really appreciate the help. Thanks, Noah # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 21 Oct 1997 20:16:09 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Florian Schneider wrote: > The KLING KLANG message was addressed to all of you who tells newcomers= =20 > to the list that the new record is available in D=FCsseldorf and things= =20 > like that, therefore It is of great entertainmentvalue to see old JBV=20 > getting hooked like a hungry fish on this mail. HA HA! (not that I want= =20 > to put a stop to jokes like that or this, but just to pull your legs as= =20 > well!) Way to go! I for one appreciate your little table-turning, though I wish=20 people would stop jerking us around about the new album. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously=20 * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW on the list Date: 21 Oct 1997 20:31:39 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, jbv wrote: > Frankly, do you think that a band who > - released an album called Computer World 15 years ago > - has an official Web site > - selles T-shirts with www.KW.com > is not aware of this list ? Quite likely they're not. There is computer life outside the Internet, you know. I think KW are probably aware enough of the Internet to think that they should have a WWW presence, but I doubt that they are "into" it or will be more involved with it than that. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Paper Date: 21 Oct 1997 20:40:43 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Noah Gelb wrote: > I'm doing a research paper on Kraftwerk. I plan to study the group, their > music, their influences, and who they influenced themselves. If anyone > knows of any good research material for the group (preferably > books/magazines, not just websites) I'd really appreciate the help. Hey, neat. I did the same thing on a smaller scale for a music history presentation I had to make a few years ago. The best source of information is this list itself. That is to say, the archive at ftp.xmission.com in /pub/lists/kraftwerk/archive/. If you grep through enough postings you'll find references to magazine articles you can look up at the library. That's what I did. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) ZKM small details Date: 22 Oct 1997 01:56:33 -0400 >>> None of this is real. I'm stuck in a HoloDeck program.... <<< Great idea for a Star Trek episode! Have the four gods appear! It boggles the mind! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) The True & Living God (again!--sorry!) Date: 22 Oct 1997 01:48:30 -0400 >>> Before Kraftwerk obtained the rights for kraftwerk.com, the domain was owned by the MACup company. It appears that the "four11"-database is outdated, and that the above people are MACup employees. <<< Did you register with the site? If you do, the only thing you have to do is allow them to add your e-address to their list. That way you get more listings. BTW, in the US, you-know-who released yet ANOTHER album (his 2nd this year!) today (Tuesday), called "Come to Daddy" on Warp/Sire/WEA Records (31001). It features the then-unknown cut ("Bucephalus Bouncing Ball") he played at the concert with the dancing/fighting overgrown teddy bears. Now if only KW could take a hint, naah mean? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: RE: (kw) Four robots and two funerals Date: 22 Oct 1997 08:37:45 +0200 >2) The new material is boring techno >If the band reads messages on this list they may decide not to bother >releasing a new album. If the people the band are trying to satisfy (their >'fans') are ultra critical of new material why bother releasing it? R & F >have always been sensitive to criticism, especially when it comes from >so close to home. >If the album is scrapped due to people like JBV I for one will be very >bitter. JBV AT LEAST YOU HAVE HEARD THE NEW MATERIAL - >MANY OF US HAVE NOT. PLEASE DO NOT SPOIL THE CHANCES >FOR EVERYONE ELSE. C'mon, perspective please !!!!! Do you believe this your self? I find it hard to believe that Kraftwerk at any point of their career have worried how their albums would be received by their "fans" and others. My firm belief is that they have their idea and concept and that is their main thing, not that "how do we release an album that won't upset to many fans". Regards Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: AW: AW: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? Date: 22 Oct 1997 09:59:16 +0200 these are just the entries concerning kraftwerk.com on the RIPE database. to access the database you may use your nearest "entrypoint": http://www.nic.fr or go directly to: http://rs.internic.net/cgi-bin/whois reagards, andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH Information Design Schubertstraße 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Arnaud de Bonald [SMTP:bonald@worldnet.fr] Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 1997 05:11 An: Andreas Schepers Betreff: Re: AW: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? On Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:51:25 +0200, Andreas Schepers wrote: > >whois kraftwerk.com: > > >KlingklangR Studio c/o Andreas Kuckartz KRAFTWERK2-DOM >Hochstrasse 24 >Dortmund, D-44149 Where did you get this informations on kraftwerk.com? I mean, which site offerts this possibility? Arnaud de Bonald Paris, France, Europe Home Page / Page personnelle: http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald My own Music Page / Mes créations musicales: http://www.chez.com/adb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Four robots and two funerals Date: 22 Oct 1997 08:24:24 GMT Sch=E4der Eric wrote: >C'mon, perspective please !!!!! Do you believe this your self? I find it >hard to believe that Kraftwerk at any point of their career have worried >how their albums would be received by their "fans" and others. My firm >belief is that they have their idea and concept and that is their main >thing, not that "how do we release an album that won't upset to many >fans". > I think there a re two sides to this story. True any band with ethics will not stop a release due to commercial compromises, and this is ideally the way all 'artistic' bands want to play the game. On the other hand we all know that KW have not released new material for some years now, and this is itself is the guiding factor. You must remember that the recent appearances had possibly 1 sole intention: To gauge the reaction to the new material. This was evident particularly at Luton, where Ralf was positively scanning the audience during the new (or is it now 'old') song. I'd say another bum album like 'the mix' (flame bait) could spell an episode that suffered by boxer (yes we do say that in england scott) Ali, who made one too many 'comebacks'. ciao, Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Net Myths (part 2) Date: 22 Oct 1997 11:19:30 +0000 > From: "Craig Land" > > Haven't some of you heard of the phrase, 'Harmless fun'? Haven't you heard of the phrase "Bandwith waste"? ;-) > And finally, a contact of mine who ran a collectors shop in Norwich, > England has seen 12 inch vinyl copies of Technopop exchanging hands > within the industry for large sums of money. Could this be the same record dealer in Norwich who also sells so-called "Technopop demo tapes", which in fact contain the "Electric Cafe" album with "Technopop" and "Sex Object" replaced with the well-known demo versions, and with "Electric Cafe" replaced with "Tour de France"? ;-) > He remembered in 1986 seing only one copy of this record If it is the same record dealer I suspect, he's most probably a liar. If it is a different record dealer, he may have just seen an advance pressing of the "Electric Cafe" album with the track "Technopop" on it. > and is a firm beleiver that something exists, Of course he is. Record dealers would spoil their business if they wouldn't fuel such myths. > So what were some of you saying about it being hard to believe > copies of material not existing which the artist has supposedly > banned! I just say that it is hard to believe that this record dealer is not a bigmouth. There are dozens of such wannabie "Technopop" spotters around! So where are the dozens of corresponding "Technopop" albums? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: c.erz@ndh.net (Christian Erz) Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #163 Date: 22 Oct 1997 09:28:19 GMT On Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:20:27 -0600, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:57:58 +0100 >From: Thomas >Subject: (none) >during one of the new songs @ karlsruhe, it seemed to me as if the = sounds >didn=3DB4t work all well, and the four on stage faced each other pretty=3D > surprised for a few seconds, did anybody have the same impression? Yes, if got exactly the same impression! It seems to be that either while playing pocketcalculator (Taschenrechner) the instruments they=B4ve played not work as they wanted them to play, or "the studio plays themself" again. And thats what make them looking surprised (or better _fascinated_?) Has anybody other ideas?=20 __=F2 TAFN&CUL8R _ \<,_ c.erz@ndh.net _____(_)/ (_)______ go ahead! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jaime Vives Subject: (kw) Rendered Kraftwerk Images Date: 22 Oct 1997 11:46:08 +0100 Hi All! First, hello to everyone! I'm new to this list. The subject of this message is about some rendered images of Kraftwerk I've seen on the net, decorating some Fan sites. I'm not refering to the clasical "Electric Cafe" heads, but to some (aparently) more recent 3d renders of Kraftwerk members dressed as in "The Man Machine". Please, can anyone give me some URL for the original page for this renders (if exists!), or give any info about this? Thanks in advance! Bye! Jaime Vives Piqueres Departamento de Informatica Colegio Territorial de Arquitectos de Valencia Pagina Personal/Personal Page (POVRAY images): http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/1090 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Rendered Kraftwerk Images Date: 22 Oct 1997 03:58:28 -0600 (MDT) On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Jaime Vives wrote: > First, hello to everyone! I'm new to this list. The subject of this message > is about some rendered images of Kraftwerk I've seen on the net, decorating > some Fan sites. I'm not refering to the clasical "Electric Cafe" heads, but > to some (aparently) more recent 3d renders of Kraftwerk members dressed as in > "The Man Machine". Please, can anyone give me some URL for the original page > for this renders (if exists!), or give any info about this? If anyone knows about this, please post it to the list or send me the info too. I've been wanting the models from the EC cover for quite a while, but new ones would do just as well. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: c.erz@ndh.net (Christian Erz) Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #163 Date: 22 Oct 1997 10:08:42 GMT On Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:20:27 -0600, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:11:34 +0000 >From: "Klaus Zaepke" >Subject: (kw) MEMI Karlsruhe review > >A review of the Karlsruhe concert (in German) can be found at =20 > Klaus Zaepke sorry Klaus, how do _you_ know that their performance act was _not_ live? Have you checked the cables for any signals? >;-) TAFN&CUL8R=20 Chris ++++=20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~industrial rhythm all around ~~~~~~~~~~~eom # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe Date: 22 Oct 1997 10:39:43 +0100 Hello all ! ! !=20 =20 There is a review of the Karlsruhe concert in the German newspaper=20 "Neue Badische Nachrichten" (I'm not sure if that is the EXACT title,=20 but=20 it is similar to that), the review is from the Monday issue (20th of=20 Oct.)=20 and contains two pictures from the concert and a small not very inter-=20 esting review of the concert, the pictures are not very good either....=20 I got the pages containing the pictures and review but not the whole=20 paper. =20 =20 I arrived from Karlsruhe yesterday evening and am now reading=20 through a couple of hundered e-mails....I managed to get a KW-poster for=20 the ZKM-concert, which is the same as the ones sold at the concert but=20 with=20 18.10.97 ZKM KARLSRUHE and a lot of details on how to buy tickets etc.=20 on=20 it!!!! (I got it at the tourist information for free!!! )=20 =20 CUL8R!=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 P.S. I got the same message in my guestbook about the US-tour and the=20 new=20 song title etc. must be a joke.... (www.student.gu.se/~maka0067).......=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Opinion Poll Results Date: 22 Oct 1997 11:37:08 +0000 DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU THINK IT IS WASTING BANDWIDTH, HIT YOUR DELETE BUTTON NOW. Opinion poll results on the 'Technopop' LP. The results are: 59% think it was available as a promo or acetate 25% think it never existed 16% are un-decided I apologise to all those who think I am wasting their time, or trying to resolve the existance of this record once and for all. In my mind, this exercise is no different from the poll that was taken for the KW top ten records. It's all a matter of opinion! Thanks to all the supporters who live in the real world, and not in the KW dream land. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #163 Date: 22 Oct 1997 13:27:35 +0200 He's looked on their fingers... And, you can't synchronise videos and music manually as good as it has been done in the concert... Regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Subject: AW: (kw) Four robots and two funerals Date: 22 Oct 1997 13:38:02 +0200 Yeah, why would I, as an artist, worry about the feedback of the audience? Its not our problem, if they dont by our records.... I would say, for commercial reasons, they should care and I think they cared for shure. They were not always the legends they were today. I dont expect them to be rich from on the beginning of their carreer. I really would like to know, what ensures their income now. I think, by doing this ZKM concert, they are about to loose their cult status and their status of great influencers of modern music. Endless repetition of old material IS boring. And by playing this kind of new material, they are not reinventing music (on the other hand, what else, despite music, would someone expect - we had this discussion before - how music would sound in ten years or so - and it is unpredictable until you hear it) It is not, that I am totally disapointed about the concert. It had some highlights. But I saw only few improvement in comparison to their luton gig. The luton song sounded slightly different, but still seemed uncomplete and like a demo. The Aetherwellen song was dark techno, not more - not bad to listen too, but hey, I do this on my keyboard in three hours. I would not need several years to do stuff like this. The third one sounded sometimes like kindergarten music, with their silly vocoder voice samples. It had that stupid Art of Noise (we are working with samplers for our first time) sound. That is not the new material I am waiting since years now.... As professional artists and musicians they should have cared much more about the acoustics of the ZKM. I think they did not even care about simple stage basics. This and much more (if I would think more about that), makes me afraid, that Kraftwerk have lost their spirit and should stop performing, before everything is gone. Oliver > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Schader Eric [SMTP:eric.schader@gambro.se] > Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 1997 08:38 > An: 'kraftwerk@xmission.com' > Betreff: RE: (kw) Four robots and two funerals > > > > >2) The new material is boring techno > >If the band reads messages on this list they may decide not to > bother >releasing a new album. If the people the band are trying to > satisfy (their >'fans') are ultra critical of new material why bother > releasing it? R & F >have always been sensitive to criticism, especially > when it comes from >so close to home. > > C'mon, perspective please !!!!! Do you believe this your self? I find it > hard to believe that Kraftwerk at any point of their career have worried > how their albums would be received by their "fans" and others. My firm > belief is that they have their idea and concept and that is their main > thing, not that "how do we release an album that won't upset to many > fans". > > Regards > Eric > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: (kw) MEMI Karlsruhe review Date: 22 Oct 1997 13:58:12 +0000 > >A review of the Karlsruhe concert (in German) can be found at > http://memi.infotour.com/aktuell/konzer