From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: Re: (kw) Automatic translations Date: 23 Dec 1997 15:43:46 +0100 This online automatic translator is definitely very funny. Here is a sample translation of an old news article in german "Keyboards" announcing zkm event: power station comes to the initialization zkm For the initialization of the center for art and medium technology on 18 October 1997 power station will occur for the first time for many years again in Germany. :-) Tim. -- Timour JGENTI | Institut Francais du Petrole _______________|___________________________________ _______________| mailto:timour.jgenti@ifp.fr _______________| http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: (kw) Rumours of a forthcoming concert Date: 23 Dec 1997 19:41:08 -0000 Hi everyone, I've resubscribed as it's the Xmas vaction, I have two weeks off and therefore plenty of time to catch up (and hopefully keep up) with the list again. Here's a brief introduction for any new members who've joined since I left: My name is Jon Alsbury, age 26, a web applications developer at the University of North London. I have been a fan of Kraftwerk for over half my life. I expect you already aware, but there's a rumour going around that KW will make an appearance at a week long electronic music festival to be held at London's South Bank complex in March '98. I also understand this story has been reported in NME, did anyone see it? I have a gut feeling about this one -- i believe it's going to happen! I've also noticed recently that many record stores in London are well very stocked with Kraftwerk titles, including German imports. This may simply be down to Christmas, or maybe it's an indication that EMI are seriously expecting to promote a new Kraftwerk album in the next few months. Jono. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: llacost@juno.com (Larry R LaCost Jr.) Subject: (kw) Track times on Olympic 2nd Edition Date: 23 Dec 1997 14:51:08 -0800 For those who are interested, here are the track times: 1. Technopop (1983) 5:01 2. Computer World (12" German) 5:04 3. The Telephone Call (Satellite Link Mix) 7:45 4. Tour De France (Live Breath Mix) 8:20 5. Number/Computer World (Tribal Gathering 1997) 8:24 * 6. Radioactivity (Tribal Gathering 1997) 7:46 7. The Robots (Tribal Gathering 1997) 9:22 8. Trans Europa Express (Live Zurich 1991) 10:56 9. Tour De France (Original Version) 6:35 10. Technopop (Bonus track... not found on the original Olympic CD) 4:27 * Track 5 has been adjusted to the CORRECT speed. If anyone is still interested in this CD, please email me and I will give you complete information on acquiring a copy. Thanks Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Farki Subject: Re: (kw) Track times on Olympic 2nd Edition Date: 24 Dec 1997 05:19:17 -0700 >For those who are interested, here are the track times: > >1. Technopop (1983) 5:01 >2. Computer World (12" German) 5:04 >3. The Telephone Call (Satellite Link Mix) 7:45 >4. Tour De France (Live Breath Mix) 8:20 >5. Number/Computer World (Tribal Gathering 1997) 8:24 * >6. Radioactivity (Tribal Gathering 1997) 7:46 >7. The Robots (Tribal Gathering 1997) 9:22 >8. Trans Europa Express (Live Zurich 1991) 10:56 >9. Tour De France (Original Version) 6:35 >10. Technopop (Bonus track... not found on the original Olympic CD) 4:27 Well, I like the idea of 2. edition, but first I want to receive my copy of 1st edition... I sent the money to that man who organised the Olympic-trade (in july, or so...), and he even wrote back that he received the money, but till then... hmm... ahem... no CD, and no answers to my letters. BTW, I wish all of you a happy Christmas! :) - Farki - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Track times on Olympic 2nd Edition Date: 24 Dec 1997 09:02:52 EST On Wed, 24 Dec 1997 05:19:17 -0700 Farki writes: > > > >Well, I like the idea of 2. edition, but first I want to receive my >copy of >1st edition... >I sent the money to that man who organised the Olympic-trade (in july, >or >so...), and he >even wrote back that he received the money, but till then... hmm... >ahem... >no CD, >and no answers to my letters. > >BTW, I wish all of you a happy Christmas! :) > > - Farki - ur not alone my friend.... tom w np: invisible soundtracks # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MIKE TAYLOR Subject: (kw) The Robots Date: 24 Dec 1997 15:03:40 +0000 I have recently purchased a 12" copy of The Robots. (Not Unusual) This is an advance promotion copy marked "not for sale" The number on the record is 12EMDJ 192. Can anyone tell me how rare this is, it has a blank B side. Thanks Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots Date: 24 Dec 1997 19:14:16 GMT MIKE TAYLOR wrote: >I have recently purchased a 12" copy of The Robots. >(Not Unusual) This is an advance promotion copy marked "not for sale" >The number on the record is 12EMDJ 192. Can anyone tell me how rare this= =20 >is, it has a blank B side. > I also have a copy of this vinyl. I paid about 15 pounds for it some 4 years back, but I have no idea what it's current value is. Tell me, does your copy have the following hand written inscription on the blank side:- "pop - RH,FS" I'm intrigued to find out what this is. ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! #Kraftwerk IRC homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Fw: (kw) The Robots Date: 24 Dec 1997 10:48:34 -0800 > MIKE TAYLOR wrote: > > >I have recently purchased a 12" copy of The Robots. > > From: Jules Seifert > > I also have a copy of this vinyl. I paid about 15 pounds for it some 4 > years back, but I have no idea what it's current value is. Tell me, > does your copy have the following hand written inscription on the > blank side:- > > "pop - RH,FS" > > I'm intrigued to find out what this is. *WOW* Half Hütter & Florian Schneider must have initialed these "promotional" copies! KooL! -(Well, MAYbe they did.... nice thought, anyway.)- Frohliche Weihnachten! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) "Dear Santa," Date: 24 Dec 1997 12:18:27 -0800 I've been a VERY good LoveDroid this year!*MMmmMMmmMM*! I hope Santa brings me the Fully FunKtional KRAFTWERK Doppelgängern that I've been wishing for all these years....*sigh*.... Right now I'd settle for a new KW album- and a World/US tour would be nice! KRAFTWERK *LIVE* in Konzert!*YUM*! "I'm dreaming of a WIRED Christmas, with Ralf & Florian you know...." ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots Date: 24 Dec 1997 21:57:23 GMT "ROBOT" wrote: >*WOW* Half H=FCtter & Florian Schneider must have initialed these >"promotional" copies! KooL! -(Well, MAYbe they did.... nice thought, >anyway.)- > Well, I'm not sure if it's hand written by the guys themselves, but we all live in hope eh? Anyways, Hope santa brings the 'lubed up' love dolls (complete with moving 'parts') for yaz! ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! #Kraftwerk IRC homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: (kw) Seasoned Greetings Date: 24 Dec 1997 14:21:02 -0700 (MST) Merry Commercial Holiday and a hoppy gnu ear to all the werkers out there! :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: llacost@juno.com (Larry R LaCost Jr.) Subject: (kw) Let time speak for itself Date: 24 Dec 1997 13:35:57 -0800 For those of you who are sceptical on the Olympic 2nd edition, why not wait a month and hear the results from the people who bought. The CD is available until Kraftwerk disbands and as I said before all profits and proceeds are being given to the Shriner's Hospital for Burned & Crippled Children in the United States as a charitable donation (Chicago to be exact, I'm originally from Illinois)... so I have nothing to gain from it for my personal life (and for those of you who are Freemasons you may check the Grand Lodge in Illinois about this donation). I've already sent two, one going to Singapore and another to Michigan. And for those who will be receiving it, you comments are always appreciated. Now let more on to more enjoyable topics, like the appreciation of Kraftwerk and the music in particular. Happy Holidays Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman Subject: Re: (kw) Track times on Olympic 2nd Edition Date: 24 Dec 1997 17:51:03 -0800 (PST) On Tue, 23 Dec 1997, Larry R LaCost Jr. wrote: > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:51:08 -0800 > From: "Larry R LaCost Jr." > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) Track times on Olympic 2nd Edition > > > For those who are interested, here are the track times: > > 1. Technopop (1983) 5:01 > 2. Computer World (12" German) 5:04 > 3. The Telephone Call (Satellite Link Mix) 7:45 > 4. Tour De France (Live Breath Mix) 8:20 > 5. Number/Computer World (Tribal Gathering 1997) 8:24 * > 6. Radioactivity (Tribal Gathering 1997) 7:46 > 7. The Robots (Tribal Gathering 1997) 9:22 > 8. Trans Europa Express (Live Zurich 1991) 10:56 > 9. Tour De France (Original Version) 6:35 > 10. Technopop (Bonus track... not found on the original Olympic CD) 4:27 > > * Track 5 has been adjusted to the CORRECT speed. > > If anyone is still interested in this CD, please email me and I will give > you complete information on acquiring a copy. > > Thanks > > Larry R. LaCost Jr. I'm interested in getting it after Christmas. Please send the information on acquiring a copy. Thanks, CRZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Josef Gabler Subject: Re: (kw) Krafty Move Date: 26 Dec 1997 01:09:41 +0100 In message ID <6idM7RsOV1B@mschmidt.top.east.de> on 27.11.97, Marko=20 Schmidt wrote:=20 >Hallo kraftwerker,=20 >The Tribut CD Krafty Move is now for Sale in Germany.=20 >=20 >Here all titles:=20 =20 >Mit elektrischen Gr=FC=DFen,=B7=20 >=20 >Marko=20 -=B0 Hallo Marko!=20 =20 -=B0 Interessant zu lesen.=20 -=B0 Gibt=B4s die M=F6glichkkeit,=20 -=B0 das gute St=FCck auch in =D6sterreich zu erwerben?=20 =20 -=B0 Gr=FCsse=20 -=B0 Josef=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 _________________In _Wien_Sitzen_Wir_Im_Nachtcaf=E9________________ =20 _____________________Direktverbindung_T.E.E._____________________ =20 =20 sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Regor@webtv.net (R. D.) Subject: (kw) KW is SVGA... Date: 26 Dec 1997 00:12:54 -0500 Let me tell you a little bit about my "Christmas" evening! I just listened to the ORBITAL "Orbital", the LFO "Advance" and the KRAFTWERK "Electric Cafe" CDs and the picture that comes repeatedly to my mind is that all the other "techno" bands that I know remind me of the VGA computer resolution but when I listen to KRAFTWERK it reminds me of SVGA computer resolution! Don't get me wrong. I like those 2 other CDs and "Electric Cafe" is not my favorite KW CD, but when I listen to it I get the feeling that it is more "complete", that I am more "complete" just by listening to it. I can hear more in it. I can see more in it. I feel that there is a "concept" behind it, but it is nevertheless simple and "visceral" music. KRAFTWERK makes "extraordinary" music, and I can't wait to hear a new CD from them. I don't care if it will be "remix", "live", or "new" material, I will sure get it and enjoy it! -- Roger. Regor@webtv.net rd411@yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christoph Soltmannowski Subject: (kw) Re:www.kraftwerk.com-authenticity Date: 26 Dec 1997 15:17:35 +0000 The "www.kraftwerk.com" site is 100% authentic, because they projected this URL on their last concert where i was lucky to be in the audience. So it is their official website! You should regard this site as a mixed result of their excellent minimalistic concept and their carelessness about what their fans think about them. They live in another time dimension. This reminds me of my letter I send to them in 1978, asking for an autograph. Yes, I got the autograph, signed by Hutter, Schneider, Bartos and Flur =96 but it was in 1983!!! So, just be patient. Christoph Soltmannowski (soltoc@dial.eunet.ch) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Kock" Subject: Re: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com Date: 27 Dec 1997 01:58:09 +0000 On 4 Jan 80 at 0:46, **************** wrote: > Another fleeting visit to the 'official' Kraftwerk web site makes > me question it's authenticity again. > Why would they use such retarded computer graphics on their web site. Because those computer graphics ARE Kraftwerk!! They live buy these standards! Old computer technology in todays world. Their website smells and feels like Kraftwerk. It is just as a Kraftwerk webpage should be. Its simple, cool and in real Kraftwerk style. I understand by your letter you have never attended a live Kraftwerk consert. They use the same computer graphics on stage on the video screens. I hope Kraftwerk will never go "modern". They rules. \\ J.Kock - SysOp on Kockens BBS +4646250256 - Atari ONLY! \\ kock@kockens.pp.se - JKock@nest.demon.co.uk - kock@geocities.com \\ kock@hempseed.com - kock@myself.com - atarisysop@usa.net \\ http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-12411 \\ http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/1353 \\ Proud member of APS!! ICQ:1295365 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com (off-topic) Date: 26 Dec 1997 21:06:54 -0500 >>> Another fleeting visit to the 'official' Kraftwerk web site makes me question it's authenticity again. I'm prepared to be ridiculed for saying this, but I'm convinced that www.kraftwerk.com is a spoof. Those who've seen 'This is Spinal Tap' will understand what a rock spoof is. <<< Just to play Devil's Advocate: have you seen "Fear of A Black Hat" as well? What a funny movie! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CD2000 Subject: (kw) Hello! Date: 27 Dec 1997 00:47:06 -0500 (EST) Hello, I'm new on the list, I just read on the net that Kraftwerk will make a new album (CONFIRMED!), but today exist 3 new tracks that appear in a double live CD called ZKM, Does anybody know anything about this info? Jose, # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Mail List Archives Date: 27 Dec 1997 09:16:34 -0800 What happenned to the Mail List Archives? I can't get http OR ftp to come up.... Dead links? I keep getting "timed out". http://www.xmission.com/pub/lists/kraftwerk/archive ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/kraftwerk/archive I'm looking for info about the ZKM CD from Karlsruhe. I can't remember who was selling it, but, a couple of new List Members are interested, so, would whoever has it please re-post or Email me and let me know if it's still available? Not that I can afford it myself, but, I WANT it!! Happy 1998! -(Come ON, Ralf & Florian, let's have a *NEW* Album before the Millenium is over!)- *sigh* ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: Re: (kw) Re:www.kraftwerk.com-authenticity Date: 26 Dec 1997 18:04:17 PST >They live in another time dimension. This reminds me of my letter I send >to them in 1978, asking for an autograph. Yes, I got the autograph, >signed by Hutter, Schneider, Bartos and Flur =96 but it was in 1983!!! >So, just be patient. >Christoph Soltmannowski (soltoc@dial.eunet.ch) Maybe they have spent the last 10 years reading fan mail, that could explainwhy it's taken so long for the new album to come out. After cycling, sipping some coffie and reading 10 years of back fan mail there isn't much time left in the day to do much else. -Peter Liethen http://www.dragonfire.net/~petenet ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Subject: (kw) Kral Bartos in "Der Spiegel" Date: 27 Dec 1997 22:27:34 +0100 The last issue of the German newsmagazine "Der Spiegel" contained a two-page article about how computers changed modern music, on the example of Bartos' work on his new Elektric album. Bartos said in this article "that many people will feel angry, because the new album will sound pretty different as they might expect" with its guitar soli, and that this is a late revenge to Ralf H"utter, who predicted already in 1976 "that in 20 years, nobody will use guitars anymore". I think Bartos never really understood the point of the Kraftwerk concept... Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Lee Subject: (kw) Greetings Date: 27 Dec 1997 22:31:35 +0000 Hi folks, I'm new to this list and wondered if anyone knows anything about the long awaited new album from our favourite German band. Cheers, Chris Lee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kotta" Subject: (kw) Traffic jam Date: 28 Dec 1997 00:08:18 +0100 Hi all, I recently purchased a bootleg called "Kraftwerk - Traffic Jam on Autobahn". Since it's the only KW bootleg i have I'm wondering about the quality and rarity, compared to other KW bootlegs. thanx! /Kotta # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Kock" Subject: RE: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com Date: 28 Dec 1997 00:36:24 +0000 On 4 Jan 80 at 4:02, **************** wrote: > 1) Kraftwerk can not afford a multimedia hi-tech extravaganza > 2) Kraftwerk are lazy and lacking in inspiration. You are obviously in this mailing list just to ignore people. Correct me if i am wrong. \\ J.Kock - SysOp on Kockens BBS +4646250256 - Atari ONLY! \\ kock@kockens.pp.se - JKock@nest.demon.co.uk - kock@geocities.com \\ kock@hempseed.com - kock@myself.com - atarisysop@usa.net \\ http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-12411 \\ http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/1353 \\ Proud member of APS!! ICQ:1295365 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PRODUKT 01 Subject: Re: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com Date: 27 Dec 1997 18:47:48 EST 1) Kraftwerk can not afford a multimedia hi-tech extravaganza > 2) Kraftwerk are lazy and lacking in inspiration. < People who make underhanded comments like this shouldnt be allowed to read or post on this list # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com Date: 27 Dec 1997 21:03:12 EST On Sat, 27 Dec 1997 18:47:48 EST PRODUKT 01 writes: > > > >1) Kraftwerk can not afford a multimedia hi-tech extravaganza >> 2) Kraftwerk are lazy and lacking in inspiration. < > >People who make underhanded comments like this shouldnt be allowed to >read or >post on this list > > whoa pal...i may not agree with the original opinion, but ill always respect the right to post it...i think YOU should reconsider your assinine posting.... tom w np: steel pulse=true democracy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SR Records Subject: (kw) My CR5000 experiment...... Date: 27 Dec 1997 21:34:20 EST well - after some discussion of the CR5000 recently (on AH), I searched the (AH) archives and did a little experimenting - and now I have a genuine manually-controlled CR5000.........exactly like the kraftwerk-inspired "close- the-circuit" design. very crude but very interesting - a few metal plates attatched to some scrawny wires and cut up coat hangers do the trick quite nicely! now to interface with my Gulbranson select-a-rhythm!!!! -j # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Lee Subject: Re: (kw) My CR5000 experiment...... Date: 28 Dec 1997 03:00:39 +0000 Forgive my ignorance, but what's a CR5000? Chris Lee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Kock" Subject: Re: (kw) My CR5000 experiment...... Date: 28 Dec 1997 12:40:20 +0000 On 28 Dec 97 at 3:00, Chris Lee wrote: > Forgive my ignorance, but what's a CR5000? I think he means a CZ5000 (old synth from Casio) but correct me if im wrong :-) BTW. There was a notice in the morning paper today (Arbetet in Sweden) about Kraftwerk. This is what it said: (Translated to English) KRAFTWERK IS BACK Not only have they played their first live consert in an eternety, next year the german synth pioneers Kraftwerk is back with a new studio album, 12 years since the last one. They are recording it in their famous Kling Klang studio and are planning to be done in authum 98. :-D \\ J.Kock - SysOp on Kockens BBS +4646250256 - Atari ONLY! \\ kock@kockens.pp.se - JKock@nest.demon.co.uk - kock@geocities.com \\ kock@hempseed.com - kock@myself.com - atarisysop@usa.net \\ http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-12411 \\ http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/1353 \\ Proud member of APS!! ICQ:1295365 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SR Records Subject: Re: (kw) My CR5000 experiment...... Date: 28 Dec 1997 10:24:20 EST In a message dated 12/28/97 11:44:00 AM, you wrote: <> No no - I mean a Roland CR5000 drum machine. Now it is manually controllable and not mearly preset rhythms. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: Re: (kw) My CR5000 experiment...... Date: 28 Dec 1997 14:05:56 -0400 >well - after some discussion of the CR5000 recently (on AH), I searched the >(AH) archives and did a little experimenting - and now I have a genuine >manually-controlled CR5000.........exactly like the kraftwerk-inspired "close- >the-circuit" design. very crude but very interesting - a few metal plates >attatched to some scrawny wires and cut up coat hangers do the trick quite >nicely! now to interface with my Gulbranson select-a-rhythm!!!! I may be also wrong, but by what I know and by the description on the text, it may be the [ROLAND] CR5000, an old analog rythm box, post ROLAND TR-808 / TR-909... It would also be possible recreate the triggering of sequences, just like the live performances of KW's Pocket Calculator, by what is called the "RPS" function - "real time phrase sequencer" - which can be found on some keyboards and sequencing software, as on the ROLAND JP-8000 or ROLAND MV-30. With the RPS, you program patterns which are triggered just as samples from each key you assign from any device - keyboard, drum pad,... Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Xav" Subject: Re: (kw) Let time speak for itself (Olympic 2nd cd received) Date: 29 Dec 1997 01:18:06 +0800 > I've already sent two, one going to Singapore ......... I have just received the Olympic 2nd edition cd today. It has arrived in good shape with good printing, and it features 10 tracks (including Technopop bonus track which was not in the original list) as promised. So for all other werkers who are still interested in this cd, you may want to consider owning a copy. (just speaking on personal interest on kw collections, and no marketing intention here for Larry. ) Wishing all werkers and robots a happy new year !! Xavier T H Lim sck8914@singnet.com.sg .....werking late tonight with olympic ...... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Kock" Subject: Re: (kw) My CR5000 experiment...... Date: 28 Dec 1997 21:25:12 +0000 On 28 Dec 97 at 10:24, SR Records wrote: > < wrong :-)>> > > No no - I mean a Roland CR5000 drum machine. Aha! Ok. Sorry ;-) \\ J.Kock - SysOp on Kockens BBS +4646250256 - Atari ONLY! \\ kock@kockens.pp.se - JKock@nest.demon.co.uk - kock@geocities.com \\ kock@hempseed.com - kock@myself.com - atarisysop@usa.net \\ http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-12411 \\ http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/1353 \\ Proud member of APS!! ICQ:1295365 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Kai Krause "Metatools" Date: 28 Dec 1997 15:02:19 -0800 I caught the second half of a very interesting Deutsche Welle program on the KNOW cable channel about a guy named Kai Krause and his "Metatools" software company. -(2pm Pacific time 28 Dec.)- My husband heard "Spacelab" in the background of a Computer graphics sequence and called it to my attention. I'm hoping this show will be re-broadcast so I can tape it. Meanwhile, I'm surfing the Net for more info on Kai Krause and "Metatools". Fascinating stuff! Happy HolidaZe! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kotta" Subject: (kw) Traffic jam Date: 29 Dec 1997 00:19:47 +0100 Eduardo, (and all other interested) here is some info on Traffic Jam on Autobahn: I will scan covers tomorrow, mail me if you want the images. Cover: Yellow with blue text (computer font) says KRAFTWERK (new line) TRAFFIC JAM (nl) ON (nl) image of roadsign indicating autobahn (in blue). Also there is a small sleeve with a robot schematic (from The Mix sleeve) ,a barcode and text "your copy no. (in my case) 38". Recorded live Birmingham, Hummingbird July 15th 1991 Track listing: CD1: Intro - 0:53 Numbers - 5:06 Computerworld - 4:40 It's more fun to compute/Homecomputer - 8:03 Computerlove - 6:49 The Model - 3:44 Tour de France - 7:12 Autobahn - 11:51 Radioactivity - 7:07 CD2: Trans Europa Express - 11:18 The Robots - 8:41 Pocket Calculator - 11:35 Music non Stop - 13:21 Cd1 is yellow with robot schematic, compact disc logo and GEMA logo. Cd2 is yellow with barcode, cd logo and GEMA logo. states: "cawa disain by deger" Number is: "Heinz 1/2" I found it in a shop in Stockholm, Sweden. It was the only copy they had. I paid approx. 36 US dollars. Does anyone know how many copies were made of this bootleg ? /Kotta >Dear MR. Kotta, > >As I just had read that you could get that KW bootleg, which I only heard >of, could you please >send a complete discription of it?? Including Cover,back cover, track list >(with times),... >so, anything you could tell me about it!! I've got some bootlegs, but only >heard of "Traffic Jam"... >Where did you bought? How much did you paid? >As most of the people on the KW mailing list just want to discuss secondary >things, let's get >some more interesting KW talk between us!!! > >Merry (late) xmas, and happy new year!! > >A big embrace, > > >Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR >Composition, arrangement and musical production. >mailto:avellar@softhome.net >Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dove-7@webtv.net (Michael Guydon) Subject: (kw) I'd heard that Kraftwerk will be touring in 1998. Do you know if Date: 27 Dec 1997 20:55:39 -0500 they will be touring in the U.S.A.? If so when and how can get tickets? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) "Das Modell" on Austrian Sampler Date: 30 Dec 1997 16:10:44 +0100 Hi all! Yesterday in a record store I found a sampler called "Die groessten Hits der 80er und 90er aus Oesterreich - Vol. 7: Best Of Flieger" ("The biggest hits of the 80ies and 90ies from austria - Vol. 7: Best of Flieger"). Beside some other songs it also contains "Das Modell" from Kraftwerk. "Flieger" is a very popular kind of clubbing here in austria/vienna, where are played favourite and famous songs from the NDW ("Neue deutsche Welle") like "DaDaDa" by Trio or "Bruttosozialprodukt" by Geiersturzflug (does anybody know/remind these songs? I like them in a kind of way...;-) ). The strange thing about this sampler CD is, that is named "...Hits...aus Oesterreich..." ("...Songs...from Austria...") and that all songs and artists, except "Das Modell" by Kraftwerk, are from austria! So, I think, the publisher of the Sampler tought that Kraftwerk is an austrian (!) band. Funny, isn't it? Bye, Georgie -- * Wir laden unsere Batterie, jetzt sind wir voller Energie... * * KRAFTWERK: Mensch - Maschine * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "A. D. Alvarez" Subject: (kw) DA DA DA Date: 30 Dec 1997 10:52:13 -0500 <<"DaDaDa" by Trio>> This song's now known in the USA as the backgorund of an award-winning (and I think quite fabulous) Volkswagen commercial that's been on rotation in prime time television since last Spring. -- Aldo Alvarez Editor Blithe House Quarterly: a site for gay short fiction URL: http://www.spectra.net/~aalvarez/BHQ.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) update! Date: 30 Dec 1997 18:04:02 +0100 Hi!=20 =20 Just did an update with some pictures from Karlsruhe!=20 =20 Wish you all a Happy New Year!!=20 =20 Mats =20 =20 www.student.gu.se/~maka0067 =20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Solenoid Subject: (kw) Re: My CR5000 experiment...... Date: 30 Dec 1997 09:04:31 -0800 (PST) On Sat, 27 Dec 1997, SR Records wrote: > well - after some discussion of the CR5000 recently (on AH), I searched the > (AH) archives and did a little experimenting - and now I have a genuine > manually-controlled CR5000.........exactly like the kraftwerk-inspired "close- > the-circuit" design. very crude but very interesting - a few metal plates > attatched to some scrawny wires and cut up coat hangers do the trick quite > nicely! now to interface with my Gulbranson select-a-rhythm!!!! I had found that the board for the sounds was linked to the main pcb by a ribbon cable that had a ground wire and a 5v current wire for each sound. My voltmeter (cheap) showed that the voltage dropped to 0 when the sound was triggered. I've been stuck there ever since...is this the same kind of trigger as the Moog S-trig? Is this a "Schmidt trigger" then? I'm barely understanding how to convert a trigger (-5v from ext trig out on a 606)...do I use an optoisolator to cause the voltage spike of the 606 to be inverted to a resistance level on the cr5000 sound? Is there an easier way to approach this..like places on the sound pcb to wire in trigger inputs? Solenoid DC solenoid@europa.com <------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Houle Subject: (kw) Re: My CR5000 experiment...... Date: 30 Dec 1997 13:20:34 -0500 >I had found that the board for the sounds was linked to the main pcb by a >ribbon cable that had a ground wire and a 5v current wire for each sound. >My voltmeter (cheap) showed that the voltage dropped to 0 when the sound >was triggered. I've been stuck there ever since...is this the same kind >of trigger as the Moog S-trig? Is this a "Schmidt trigger" then? I'm >barely understanding how to convert a trigger (-5v from ext trig out on a >606)...do I use an optoisolator to cause the voltage spike of the 606 to >be inverted to a resistance level on the cr5000 sound? Is there an easier >way to approach this..like places on the sound pcb to wire in trigger >inputs? Try looking under the hypperreal area under the Micromoog Mod Area...It has something there I think... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Komputer Krash! Date: 31 Dec 1997 00:47:14 -0800 *ARGH* Hubby crashed the Computer again and lost all of our Email between Dec 24th and 29th. If anyone has Emailed me lately, please re-send. -(I had not had the chance to answer every message before the past few days' worth of Email got wiped out.)- Sorry to be off-topic, but, I HATE losing Email -especially from Fellow KRAFTWERKers! NOTE: J.Talbert's "PROOF" CD is VERY nice BrainMusiK! -(Many thanks for the CD, John!)- ps: I just did another drawing for New Years- hopefully hubby dearest will be able to upload it within the next 24 hours.... it's already New Years in SOME parts of the World! -(Hello to all KW Fans in Japan and EVerywhere!)- Happy New Year! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) kraftwerk.com Date: 31 Dec 1997 09:31:35 -0500 huh...oddly, i visited the site for the first time the other day, (which led me to join this e-list). i'm a long time fan - but, it never occurred to me, until recently to seek out information on solo kw, (elektronic music, yamo), or join a discussion of kw's past. however, i find myself listening to "the old stuff" more and more, as well as enjoying e.m, and yamo! i've never seen any of them perform live... i found the website to be minimal, yet, effective. if i didn't know what kw was "about" it would pique my curiosity more than the standard band page that shows their album covers, and gives sound clips from the "notable" songs. the kw page seems to amply reflect kw's sound, philosophy and style. more than i can say for most band pages, which are generic to say the least. as for the band being "lazy", i don't know. should they hit you with everything including the kitchen sink, just because it's available technology? should they have a real audio/video/shockwave extravaganza? i don't see why. since i've never seen a live show, i can only comment from pure opinion, (i haven't seen u2 since the "war" tour). but, it seems to me that perhaps the "finished work" principle might be the point in the relatively unchanging kraftwerk show....do they need to endlessly reinvent the songs, and the stage show? kraftwerk's music has always had a cinematic feel to it, if some songs are "married" to particular visual images in their live shows, so be it. i don't have a problem with it - i don't find it lazy, or wonder if they don't have the cash to come up with a new stage show. i assume that the statement they made, and are making is the one they wanted to make, and still want to make. u2, on the other hand seem to become more bombastic, (not artful) each year. do the big screens, costumes, etc. enhance the u2 experience? they started out with an original sound waaaay back when...as the sound became more derivative, the shows became bigger and bigger, the gestures going from small and personal to grandiose, and overblown. bono is the story. in kraftwerk, the music and images are the story. that's what makes them special. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Conny Fornbäck" Subject: (kw) Tribal Gathering on Swedish TV Date: 31 Dec 1997 17:28:29 +0100 For the scandinavian list-members: TV4 Saturday 3/1-1998, 1:35-3:25 "Tribal Gathering" According to the press release the show contains performances by Kraftwerk, Chemical Brothers and others. I suspect this to be the same show that was shown in UK earlier this year, which means that it does *not* contain any performance by KW. But it might be fun watching anyways... I wish you all a happy new year Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ooh To Be Ah" Subject: (kw) HNY Date: 31 Dec 1997 18:02:07 +0000 Happy New Year to all on the Kraftwerk list. I feel it in my water 1998 will bring us that long awaited album...or maybe 1999 or maybe 2000 or maybe.... Best wishes from the UK Ian J. Harris "I am an enigma...or am I?" AOL Instant Messager : DMBoy55432 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Glenn Herman Subject: (kw) New KW Songs in Realaudio Format Date: 31 Dec 1997 15:07:19 -0500 Dear All: I have put up all three new songs on my homepage. I hope this is of some value to fellow Werkers this new years. Check them out at http://www.glennherman.com Sincerely, Glenn Herman glennherman@prodigy.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ARKZIN_ZG@ZAMIR-ZG.ZTN.APC.ORG (ARKzin Zagreb) Subject: (kw) Greetings Date: 26 Dec 1997 15:43:00 +0200 ## Message of 26.12.97 forwarded ## Originally: ATTACK@zamir-zg.ztn.apc.org ## Made by: arkzin_zg@ZAMIR-ZG.ztn.apc.org Zagreb, 26.12.97 Dear, Happy Fin-de-siecle & a Merry New Millenium! Arkzin http://www.arkzin.com ## CrossPoint v3.02 ## # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender.