From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) L'chaim Date: 01 Jan 1998 00:09:09 -0500 Have a happy new year; to a prosperous and eventful 1998. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@iol.it (lbo) Subject: Re: (kw) NME UK 1/3 Date: 01 Jan 1998 06:53:01 GMT > I have a number of reservations about the NME article stating that your observations are ok, but what follows are my hopes. [hard work] >often the band sat > around drinking well, this could be their opinion of what "hard work" means... and it will explain a lot of other things, doesn't it? :-) (or should I say "wouldn't it"? to make it short, if you english mother tongue spot something that could be better said in any of my messages, I'll welcome your advices - they pay me better for knowing english well! :-) personal mail of course) seriously, "sitting around drinking" could be a way of reaching a certain mood. while it has demonstrated that Bussy's book is not to be taken as *the* truth, and while I trust NME even a lot less, I hope that these two facts does not constitute a contradiction. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@nospam.iol.it (lbo) Subject: Re: (kw) NME UK 2/3 Date: 01 Jan 1998 06:55:40 GMT > 2) Three new tracks have already emerged. So > what? With Technopop a whole album was recorded, test pressings yes, but this time the tracks emerged publicly and officially. if I'm not wrong with Technopop we know about the tracks only as soon as the "clandestine" copy, so to call it, went around. > mixed reception. The publicly played tracks are probably > considered the best of the material which has been recorded for well, maybe they are just the tracks that are ready now, that means the tracks that need less work, or, to say it in other words, these tracks could just divertissements they used to test the reaction of the public to this new sound. I don't think that if they played them, then they should constitute the flagships of their next album. and now that I think about it, I don't even think they care a lot about the public reaction. why after all an artist should care, if he *wants* to do something... and this is one of the reason why I don't understand how could people on this list rubbish something over reasonable levels. but I'm leaving this here. lbo@nospam.iol.it ^^^^^^^ -- per rispondere eliminate la stringa "nospam." dall'address -- to answer remove "nospam." from the email address http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@nospam.iol.it (lbo) Subject: Re: (kw) NME UK 3/3 Date: 01 Jan 1998 06:55:49 GMT > 4) The boat is > leaving the port. Electronic dance music has probably now peaked > in this current cycle. Releasing a new album into a shrinking > market would spell disaster for Kraftwerk. ehm, now who is rubbishing? :-) I would say that K target is not elec dnc m, this is just a secondary target, a fall-out. even if their late works sound like they're moving toward dance music, they still maintain a wide, how to say, image. they have a big reputation in the dance ambient, but as well in the industrial and in the electronic tout-court. think another thing. now the people who know them in their adolescence are rich and powerful thirties year old that would not abandon them at any instance. let the young ones oscillate in their tastes as the wind come and go: we the 30+ year old, the *real* K fans, the one who really understand them, will stand forever for them! :-) seriously, I think that is just K interest that fashions and tastes evolve a lot, so their decades-long coherence will spot better and will enable them to be appreciated by more and more people wo are far from the commercial genres. anyway, your points are good, let's just hope that you're not right! ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo lbo@nospam.iol.it ^^^^^^^ -- per rispondere eliminate la stringa "nospam." dall'address -- to answer remove "nospam." from the email address http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) HAPPY NEW YEAR! Date: 01 Jan 1998 00:54:49 -0800 Happy New Year, Ralf & Florian! Well- FTP is still messed up, and hubby is totally SOUSED -(typical Earthling)-, but, he managed to get my new drawing uploaded to my HomePage at about 10 minutes till Midnight Pacific Standard Time. -(The idea was to have it up before the first timezone chimed Midnight. nice try.)- So, just like last year, I called up a KW picture and kissed the screen when the clock struck12!*HeeHee*! I wish everyone a Happy '98- and a *NEW* KW Album! YAY! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) HAPPY NEW YEAR! Date: 01 Jan 1998 12:19:15 -0700 (MST) On Thu, 1 Jan 1998, ROBOT wrote: > Happy New Year, Ralf & Florian! I express similar sentiments. > have it up before the first timezone chimed Midnight. nice try.)- So, just > like last year, I called up a KW picture and kissed the screen when the > clock struck12!*HeeHee*! That's sweet. :) > I wish everyone a Happy '98- and a *NEW* KW Album! YAY! New album or not, here's hoping 1998 has more klings and klangs in it. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 01 Jan 1998 12:06:41 PST Hello and happy new years to all! Last night at about 1am Central time, I completed an update to the Kraftwerk Media Center. There are now 12 videos available in RealVideo format. Das Model, Radioactivity, the Model and Numbers Live are new, and TEE, Robots '91, Robots '78, The Telephone Call and Musique Non Stop have been re-encoded and should work on all systems now. So go check it out, for those of you that don't have the URL: http://www.dragonfire.net/~petenet/kraftwerk ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Oehler" Subject: (kw) DJ Gig. Date: 02 Jan 1998 08:32:30 -0600 Just wanted to inform y'all that I got an occasional DJ gig, and thus it is now my mission to play one Kraftwerk tune every set. Dammit, I'm gunna make the scene here aware of these guys! :) ---- Eric Oehler http://www.itis.com/~wonko/ wonko@itis.com Finger for PGP key By pressing down this special key, it plays a little melody # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: AW: (kw) "Das Modell" on Austrian Sampler Date: 02 Jan 1998 21:41:51 +0100 hi, neither geiersturzflug nor trio are austrian bands. i think, the ndw was rather a german phenomenon ;) cu, andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH Information Design Schubertstraße 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: (kw) OT: Recommendations? Date: 02 Jan 1998 16:31:05 -0700 (MST) Hey, all. I'm ordering some CDs and I thought I'd give Clock DVA a try. Any suggestions? Do any of their albums have a KW-ish sound? E-mail me directly, please. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:31:59 +0100 Date: 02 Jan 1998 17:33:11 -0700 SGkgdGhlcmUhDQoNCkZvciB5b3UgU3dlZGlzaCAiV2Vya2VycyIsIHRoZXJltHMgYSBwcm9nIG9u IFRWIDQgdG9kYXkgKFNhdHVyZGF5IDMvMSkuDQpJdLRzIGFib3V0IFRHIDk3IGFuZCBzdXBwb3Nl ZCB0byBmZWF0dXJlIENoZW1pY2FsIEJyb3MgQU5EIEtyYWZ0d2Vyay4NCg0KSSBqdXN0IHRob3Vn aHQgSbRkIHJlbWluZCB5b3UgKHN0YXJ0IHRob3NlIFZDUrRzISkNCg0KL1VmZmUNCg0KKqQqpCqk KqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQq pCqkKqQqDQqoqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqEUtbWFpbCA6IHNpbHZlcnVwQGFsZ29uZXQuc2Wo qKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqCANCg0KqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqGh0dHAvLzp3d3cu YWxnb25ldC5zZS9+c2lsdmVydXAva3JhZnSoqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKgNCiqkKqQqpCqk KqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQqpCqkKqQq pCqkKg0KDQoNCg== # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Temporary hiatus 1998 Date: 02 Jan 1998 20:59:52 -0500 Well, it's that time of year again, so I'm off with my family to Cozumel. Please make every effort to keep my account subscribed--even if messages start bouncing. Hope the discussions are interesting. See you in two weeks! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Conny Fornbäck" Subject: (kw) Disappointment Date: 04 Jan 1998 03:16:09 +0100 The two hour long TV-show from Tribal Gathering '97 didn't contain Kraftwerk, in spite of what the papers said. But during one of the Orbital songs you could see the "Trans Europe"-stage in the background. The four videoscreens on stage revealed that Kraftwerk was playing "Numbers" at the very same time. Mostly irritating... Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: Re: (kw) Disappointment Date: 04 Jan 1998 03:49:19 +0100 I can only agree on that... I suppose you've also mailed tittarinfo@tv4.se and made a complaint about false marketing... /anders Conny Fornb=E4ck wrote: >=20 > The two hour long TV-show from Tribal Gathering '97 didn't contain > Kraftwerk, in spite of what the papers said. >=20 > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ant=F3nio?= Cebola Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk's management Date: 04 Jan 1998 12:24:20 +0000 Hello, Could someone please tell me how to contact Kraftwerk's management? An address, phone or fax would do... Please email me privately. A Happy 1998 to you all. Antonio Cebola # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PRODUKT 01 Subject: (kw) NEWS ...FLASH Date: 04 Jan 1998 07:37:52 EST Happy New year !!!!!! Ive got some Good Kraftwerk news to start off the year Mainly For all of us NY fans. Last night i was in Other MUSIC and i heard the people who work at other say Kraftwerk!!! So i said what about them ? And they said "Kraftwerks Promoters just called asking about the demand for a gig in the city they are thinking of doing a show " ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Thats all the news fit to print make of it what you will. I can tell you the demand is high ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk's management Date: 04 Jan 1998 19:20:20 GMT Ant=F3nio Cebola wrote: >Could someone please tell me how to contact Kraftwerk's management? > >An address, phone or fax would do... > >Please email me privately. > >A Happy 1998 to you all. > >Antonio Cebola > hehehehehe ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! #Kraftwerk IRC homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Disappointment Date: 04 Jan 1998 19:20:02 GMT "Conny Fornb=E4ck" wrote: >But during one of the Orbital songs you could see the "Trans >Europe"-stage in the background. The four videoscreens on stage revealed >that Kraftwerk was playing "Numbers" at the very same time. Mostly >irritating... > And confusing too, considering that Kraftwerk did not in fact play at the same time as orbital! ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! #Kraftwerk IRC homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) NEWS ...FLASH Date: 04 Jan 1998 11:17:53 -0800 > From: PRODUKT 01 > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) NEWS ...FLASH > Date: Sunday, January 04, 1998 4:37 AM > > "Kraftwerks Promoters just called asking about the demand for a > gig in the city they are thinking of doing a show " -!!!!- *BOING*BOOM*TSCHAK* -!!!!- HOT DAMN! HALLELUJAH! Let's hope it's TRUE! I mean, IF they do NY, they GOTTA do L.A, too- and Detroit, Chicago, Toronto, ....and EUREKA, California! -(Yeah, right- Van Duzer Theater, Humboldt State University, Arcata, CA!*HaHaHaHa*!)- Well, Los Angeles and/or San Fransisco would be close enough.*sigh*. Maybe 1998 will be a good year after all! :] ROBOSMILEY Sweet Electronic Dreams! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: resonance underground Subject: (kw) r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d - UPDATES! Date: 04 Jan 1998 16:25:52 -0800 Hi Klingklangers! I've updated the ActiveK page at resonance underground. This week's MP3 is the 12" version of 'Computerwelt' which features a slightly different mix and additional percussion not found on the Computerworld/Computerwelt LP. The ActiveK page is at: http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html (follow the "ActiveK" link) And for those who are interested, I have finally released my full-length, 11 track debut CD under the pseudonym 'efofex'. The CD is entitled "PROOF" and contains music along the lines of Electronica/Minimal/Techno - with lots of 'Me' flavor thrown in (hehe) More information is at: http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/proof.html Or: http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html (follow the "EFOFEX" link) There is also a realaudio stream taken from the CD promo single I gave out last month. There are also realaudio and MP3 samples of other efofex songs elsewhere on the site. And thanks ROBOT for the compliments regarding my CD promo. Your kindness is well appreciated :) And special thanks to ALL for their positive feedback and support!! I'll be getting back to creating more Kraftwerk MIDI files soon, too! Oh yeah, and for those creating their own special brand of electronic music, I've updated the 'noise' archive with dozens more WAV samples including some basic 808 sounds. Happy 1998!! -John 'efofex' Talbert PS: I still have a few more promo CD singles left to mail, so for those still waiting, please be patient. The initial request load was quite overwhelming so I had to stagger the shipments in order to manage them. The final shipments should go out this week. ______________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "Continuing the tradition of the underground resonance" -f(x) featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html mailto:jtalbert@ameritech.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Conny Fornbäck" Subject: Re: (kw) Disappointment Date: 04 Jan 1998 23:03:35 +0100 > >But during one of the Orbital songs you could see the "Trans > >Europe"-stage in the background. The four videoscreens on stage revealed > >that Kraftwerk was playing "Numbers" at the very same time. Mostly > >irritating... > > > And confusing too, considering that Kraftwerk did not in fact play at > the same time as orbital! Yeah, that's right! I checked my video-copy again. To make the show less static on TV, they have edited it with a lot of picture-cuts. So, during the Orbital set there are also pictures from outside the tents. On one of the cuts you can see the videoscreens showing the video for Numbers (large green digits). When watching the programme, it gives you the impression that Kraftwerk are playing at the same time as Orbital, on a stage behind the Orbital-stage. As Jules Seifert points out, this is not actually the case. Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christoph Marquardt Subject: Re: (kw) NEWS ...FLASH Date: 05 Jan 1998 00:56:51 +0100 PRODUKT 01 wrote: > Happy New year !!!!!! > > Ive got some Good Kraftwerk news to start off the year Mainly For all = of us > NY fans. > > Last night i was in Other MUSIC and i heard the people who work at othe= r say > Kraftwerk!!! > > So i said what about them ? > > And they said "Kraftwerks Promoters just called asking about the demand= for a > > gig in the city they are thinking of doing a show " > > ? ? ? ? ? ? = ? > ? > Thats all the news fit to print make of it what you will. > I can tell you the demand is high ! Hallo ihr Werker da drau=DFen! Wow! If that's true, I'm actually going to take a few days off and do tha= t trip from Germany to NY ... any recommendations on where to stay in Manhattan?= ?! Keep us Germans updated pleez, so far I haven't heard of any German concert pl= ans in the next future ... and Karlsruhe is already so far away... Seid gegr=FC=DFt! Chris -- "RAM DISK is not an installation procedure!" - anonymous # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: (kw) Orbital and Kraftwerk Date: 05 Jan 1998 15:46:28 -0000 Of recent current interest in the Orbital/Kraftwerk collaboration, I am told that Paul Hartnoll has spoken about this subject. As I have no realaudio, could somebody post to the list his comments. They can be found at the following site:- http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa/samples.html ciao, --------- Jules Seifert #kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank Schelter Subject: Re: (kw) HELP FRANK Date: 05 Jan 1998 18:01:12 -0000 Hi folks! Hope you had a lot of fun reading and misunderstanding my "help"-message!! I was a bit busy (preparations for vacation) and wanted to know if the majordomo- listserver has a "nomail"- command (temporary stop mailing to my adress). But I hit the wrong adressbook- entry, the message went to "kraftwerk@xmission.com" instead of "majordomo@lists.xmission.com". Bye. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Geoff Watson Subject: (kw) Machines Festival Date: 03 Jan 1998 15:20:17 +0000 Londons South Bank Centre has a site at www.sbc.org.uk/ that has a mailing list to subscribe to for future news of events.There are no details on the possibility of a Kraftwerk appearance as yet but it could be one to watch carefully. Here's hoping ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kapadia Subject: (kw) Southbank Concert Date: 03 Jan 1998 13:59:03 +0000 I have heard that Kraftwerk are playing a concert on London's Southbank this year. Does anyone have any information on this Thanks # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peder Schubertsson Subject: (kw) TG97 on Swedish TV4.... Date: 03 Jan 1998 17:37:51 +0100 Tonight (Saturday 3/1) TV4 Sweden will show the Kraftwerk Gig from TG97! All of you in Europe who owns a satellite dish should point it to Sirius 1 at 5 degrees east. TV4 broadcasts in PAL (clear)! I don't know how much from the concert that will be shown, but the program is 2 hours long and are supposed to feature only 4 bands, with Kraftwerk as the main feature! The program starts at 01.35 CET. Regards/ Peder Schubertsson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: «» «» «» Philip Pilgrim«» «» «» Subject: (kw) Robotnik.com Date: 03 Jan 1998 17:34:13 -0400 My friend opened this site. No Kraftwerk stuff but you can buy web space from him. email Tomek aktiv8@istar.ca Philip -- Philip Pilgrim The Lab Audio Works 5 Evan's Drive - Analog/Digital Recording/Processing Hammonds Plains - Computer/Synth Interfacing Nova Scotia, Canada - Hardware/Software Development B4B 1M8 Phone +1.902.835.7844 Email thelab@sprint.ca Web Page: http://robotnik.com/the_lab/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Kock" Subject: (Fwd) Re: (kw) Disappointment Date: 04 Jan 1998 11:54:37 +0000 Forwarded message: On 4 Jan 98 at 3:16, Conny FornbSigmack wrote: > > The two hour long TV-show from Tribal Gathering '97 didn't contain > Kraftwerk, in spite of what the papers said. Its a real PITA that newspapers always give wrong info :-( > But during one of the Orbital songs you could see the "Trans > Europe"-stage in the background. The four videoscreens on stage revealed > that Kraftwerk was playing "Numbers" at the very same time. Mostly > irritating... > Indeed!!! I am going to write to TV4. I used videotape for nothing ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Kock" Subject: (kw) (Fwd) Ang-Tribal Gathering! Date: 05 Jan 1998 15:16:10 +0000 This is a reply from TV4 Sweden, regarding the cock-up with announcing Kraftwerk in their TV commersials regarding Tribal Gathering. Its in Swedish and i dont have the time translating it, so for you non Swedes, sorry about this message ;-) ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Hej F=F6rmodligen har ett missf=F6rst=E5nd beg=E5tts, vilket har gjort att fel= informationen har g=E5tt ut. Jag ska sj=E4lv titta igenom programmet och se vad som st=E4mmer och inte. Jag =E5terkommer till dig med svar p=E5 onsdag 7 jan. God forts=E4ttning! Mvh Petra Bergstrand, Tittarinformationen TV4 AB Datum: 98-01-04 11.56 Till: Petra Bergstrand Fr=E5n: J.Kock Hej. H=E4r bunkrade man upp med kuddar, god mat och lite dryck f=F6r att se p=E5 Tribal Gathering konserten i g=E5r natt d=E4r ni skrev att Kraftwerk skull= e spela. Men fram=E5t halv fyra p=E5 natten n=E4r s=E4ndningen avlutades s=E5 hade = det inte varit EN ENDASTE sekunds framtr=E4dande av Kraftwerk. Jag satt allts=E5 uppe helt i on=F6dan. F=F6r =F6vrigt s=E5 spelade Kraftwerk p=E5 Tribal Gathering och framtr=E4d= andet var formidabelt. Otroligt att ingenting filmades d=E4rifr=E5n. En besviken tittare... \\ J.Kock - SysOp on Kockens BBS +4646250256 - Atari ONLY! \\ kock@kockens.pp.se - JKock@nest.demon.co.uk - kock@geocities.com \\ kock@hempseed.com - kock@myself.com - atarisysop@usa.net \\ http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-12411 \\ http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/1353 \\ Proud member of APS!! ICQ:1295365 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Glen Subject: (kw) The Machines Date: 05 Jan 1998 16:34:08 +0000 In message , **************** writes >I have a number of reservations about the NME article stating that = >Kraftwerk will play at Southbank in Feb/Mar and release a new album in = >1998. I, as I assume most fans of the band do, hold a permanent reservation about whether they're ever going to do anything when it's said they're going to but I think that's healthy because when things do happen it comes as a pleasant shock, like rain in high Summer. The only thing I find myself worrying about in terms of this particular concert is obtaining tickets before they sell out, as the Southbank's venues aren't exactly all-accomodating. As regards the album, I have quite enough material to get me by - be the next new release in 1998, 99, 2000. Kraftwerk isn't oxygen or food. It's music. :) -- Leisure # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Kock" Subject: Re: (kw) TG97 on Swedish TV4.... Date: 05 Jan 1998 18:27:26 +0000 On 3 Jan 98 at 17:37, Peder Schubertsson wrote: > > Tonight (Saturday 3/1) TV4 Sweden will show the Kraftwerk Gig from TG97! > All of you in Europe who owns a satellite dish should point it to Sirius > 1 at 5 degrees east. TV4 broadcasts in PAL (clear)! I don't know how > much from the concert that will be shown, but the program is 2 hours > long and are supposed to feature only 4 bands, with Kraftwerk as the > main feature! The program starts at 01.35 CET. > As you may have read by now, they didnt show ONE SECOND of the Kraftwerk consert :-((( \\ J.Kock - SysOp on Kockens BBS +4646250256 - Atari ONLY! \\ kock@kockens.pp.se - JKock@nest.demon.co.uk - kock@geocities.com \\ kock@hempseed.com - kock@myself.com - atarisysop@usa.net \\ http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-12411 \\ http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/1353 \\ Proud member of APS!! ICQ:1295365 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) La Duesseldorf: "Silver Cloud" CD ?? Date: 05 Jan 1998 18:56:09 +0100 (NFT) I've noted the following La Duesseldorf CD in the Groove mailorder online catalogue (http://mcs.nl/groove/catcd_de.html): > La Dusseldorf > Silver Cloud ...DM 45 (no further details) Any idea what this could be? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) More US gig & new album speculation Date: 05 Jan 1998 18:53:55 +0100 (NFT) The current issue of the Jockey Slut magazine contains an article about "How Universe got Kraftwerk on stage". Universe's Ian Jenkinson is quoted that Kraftwerk enjoyed their Tribal Gathering appearance "so much they're thinking of doing Tribal in America. And it looks like the new album might be coming out next year: who knows?" Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) KW and 242 & Chemnitz?? Date: 05 Jan 1998 12:11:19 -0800 I was cruising the alt.music.techno News Group and someone asked about Front 242, if they're still ALIVE, touring, or what- well, someone else gave a brief 242 tour list, including: > > December 26 - Front 242, with Chemnitz & Kraftwerk -!!!!- Can anyone confirm/deny this? I never heard anything about a KW gig last month. Atleast I think they meant '97.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@iol.it Subject: (kw) why *La* Duesseldorf? Date: 05 Jan 1998 23:44:28 +0000 does somebody know what is the meaning of the "La" particle in La Duesseldorf group name? is it an italian or french article? is it something like the abbreviation of Los Angeles? ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) KW and 242 & Chemnitz?? Date: 05 Jan 1998 23:49:38 +0000 > > > December 26 - Front 242, with Chemnitz & Kraftwerk sorry ROBOT, but I'm afraid that they just meant that F242 are going to play in the german city of Chemnitz in a *venue* called Kraftwerk, that seem to be a popular name for clubs in Germany. ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dj lava lamp Subject: (kw) the best of kraftwerk cd ( emi 100th anniversary cd ) Date: 05 Jan 1998 19:20:45 -0500 i saw this today for the first time at a store...japanese import $46.99... emi japan 1997 with the "emi 100" logo... geiger counter, radioactivity, antenna, europe endless, showroom dummies, tee, robots, the model, and man machine...catalog # tocp 50115... has anyone bought this ? i haven't 'cause it's a bit too pricey at this point ... d. to send email, please delete the capital letters from my address # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) why *La* Duesseldorf? Date: 06 Jan 1998 22:42:12 +0900 Am 5 Jan 1998 23:44:28 +0000, schreibt lbo@iol.it: >does somebody know what is the meaning of the "La" particle in La >Duesseldorf group name? is it an italian or french article? is it >something like the abbreviation of Los Angeles? I'm not sure about the case of Duesseldorf, but the first CD from La! Neu? has an answer... it's just an article. (Refer inner sleeve of the CD CTCD-051) Regards, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) the best of kraftwerk cd ( emi 100th anniversary cd ) Date: 06 Jan 1998 22:42:01 +0900 hi lava, :-) >date: mon, 05 jan 1998 19:20:45 -0500 >from: dj lava lamp >i saw this today for the first time at a store...japanese import $46.99... >emi japan 1997 with the "emi 100" logo... > >geiger counter, radioactivity, antenna, europe endless, showroom dummies, >tee, robots, the model, and man machine...catalog # tocp 50115... > >has anyone bought this ? >i haven't 'cause it's a bit too pricey at this point ... this cat # was mentioned before, and it has nothing new. all the tracks are the same as existing original albums, and only difference is its artwork. -----------------------original message follows--------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 19:45:56 +0900 To: kraftwerk@xmission.com From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) New CD? Guten Tag, Kraftwerkers, >By the way: CDEurope lists also a new Japanese Kraftwerk "Best Of" >compilation (TOCP-50115), to be released on December 4th... I'm sorry we'd better forget it. It has nothing new. mentions the track list. (with some dumb Japanese doublebyte characters) 1. Geiger Counter 2. Radioactivity 3. Antenna 4. Europe Endless 5. Showroom Dummies 6. Trans-Europe Express 7. The Robots 8. The Model 9. The Man Machine regards, hiroshi. p.s. sorry for existing uppercase letters in the quote & signature. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Erik Knain Subject: (kw) ZKM Date: 06 Jan 1998 15:18:37 +0100 Hello Kraftwerkians, Please excuse me if the following question has been answered previously, as I am new to the list. I have learned that a Kraftwerk-bootleg called "ZKM" is out, recorded from the Mediale 5-festival in Karlsruhe October 18th. 1997. Can anyone say something about the quality of the recording, and where it may be purchased? Erik ======================================================== Erik Knain Department of Teacher Education and School Development P.O. Box 1099 Blindern N-0316 Oslo, Norway Phone: +47 22 85 20 61 Fax: +47 22 85 74 63 ======================================================== # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) KW and 242 & Chemnitz?? Date: 05 Jan 1998 21:42:03 -0800 > From: lbo@iol.it > To: ROBOT@humboldt1.com; KRAFTWERK@xmission.com > > > > > December 26 - Front 242, with Chemnitz & Kraftwerk > > sorry ROBOT, but I'm afraid that they just meant that F242 are going > to play in the german city of Chemnitz in a *venue* called Kraftwerk, > that seem to be a popular name for clubs in Germany. > lbo@iol.it > http://users.iol.it/lbo Really? KooL! Do Ralf & Florian know about these clubs with their name? We all know how the boys love to win lawsuits- and I don't mean "suits" that lawyers wear!*HeeHee*! I'd LOVE to have a private KRAFTWERK Klub- with an adjoining Electric Cafe, ofcourse- but, assuming I win the Lottery one of these decades, I'm afraid I'd get busted if I actually DID build it! -(Just don't tell 'em about the KRAFTWERK Klones I keep hidden in the closet. oops.)- *snicker* So, what's the latest rumor about a possible World/US tour? I'm sure there IS enough interest in KW these days to merit a trip across The Pond.... and beyond! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nisse" Subject: SV: (kw) KW and 242 & Chemnitz?? Date: 06 Jan 1998 23:10:02 +0100 >> >> > > > December 26 - Front 242, with Chemnitz & Kraftwerk >> >> sorry ROBOT, but I'm afraid that they just meant that F242 are going >> to play in the german city of Chemnitz in a *venue* called Kraftwerk, >> that seem to be a popular name for clubs in Germany. >> lbo@iol.it >> http://users.iol.it/lbo > >Really? KooL! Do Ralf & Florian know about these clubs with their name? We >all know how the boys love to win lawsuits- and I don't mean "suits" that >lawyers wear!*HeeHee*! I'd LOVE to have a private KRAFTWERK Klub- with an >adjoining Electric Cafe, ofcourse- but, assuming I win the Lottery one of >these decades, I'm afraid I'd get busted if I actually DID build it! -(Just >don't tell 'em about the KRAFTWERK Klones I keep hidden in the closet. >oops.)- *snicker* > >So, what's the latest rumor about a possible World/US tour? I'm sure there >IS enough interest in KW these days to merit a trip across The Pond.... and >beyond! > I was in Wilhelmshaven (Nord Deutschland) last year and they had a Club/Pub called Kling Klang I was quite excited and just had to visit it the next evening. Unfortunately it turned out to be a regular punk-shack, a nice one actually, but anyhow you expect something more with such a legendary name. Niels *** Freak out im Haus des Irrens! *** http://www.algonet.se/~ngordon/irre/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) KW and 242 & Chemnitz?? Date: 07 Jan 1998 01:36:51 +0000 > > to play in the german city of Chemnitz in a *venue* called Kraftwerk, > all know how the boys love to win lawsuits- and I don't mean "suits" that > lawyers wear!*HeeHee*! I'd LOVE to have a private KRAFTWERK Klub- with an well, I'm not german and this was explained sometimes ago by a fellow listie better than I could do, anyway Kraftwerk (capitalized too) is a common noun in the german language. (c) should work for common words in use similar to the one (c)righted. as the fellow explained, I can't market computers called Apple but I can start say a restaurant chain called Apple. I don't know, if someone should copyright the names Velvet and New Life, then a good 75% of all italian clubs should close, because it seem not to be a city without its Velvet club... it seem that, paradoxically, you could start your Kraftwer club only if it's not a Kraftwerk fan club... :-) ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: Re: (kw) KW and 242 & Chemnitz?? Date: 06 Jan 1998 19:47:21 -0600 At 01:36 AM 1/7/98 +0000, you wrote: >well, I'm not german and this was explained sometimes ago by >a fellow listie better than I could do, anyway Kraftwerk (capitalized >too) is a common noun in the german language. As I understand it, "Kraftwerk" is German for "power plant" (unfortunately, I lost my trusty German-English dictionary a few years after I graduated from college and stopped using the language anymore). In German usage, *all* nouns are capitalized (which the American humorist Mark Twain once asserted was one of the few Good Ideas that the inventor of the German language had). I strongly suspect that the clubs named "Kraftwerk" aren't, unfortunately, named after the group, though I could be wrong. . . . Best regards, -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) KW and 242 & Chemnitz?? Date: 06 Jan 1998 22:37:24 +0500 On 07-Jan-98, lbo@iol.it wrote: >> > to play in the german city of Chemnitz in a *venue* called Kraftwerk, >> all know how the boys love to win lawsuits- and I don't mean "suits" that >> lawyers wear!*HeeHee*! I hear they only sued Afrika Bambaata for a token amount-- $20,000 US or so. Maybe they liked 'Planet Rock' and had mixed feelings about the lawsuit ;-)... -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: (kw) Whoops. Date: 06 Jan 1998 17:03:22 -0700 (MST) Sorry if you've tried to send me any mail lately and got a bounce. There's been a service disruption and a config change that broke my mail filter. Hopefully it'll be fixed RSN. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: AW: (kw) Orbital and Kraftwerk Date: 07 Jan 1998 10:02:43 +0100 hi all, unfortunately i can't understand paul hartnoll ;( the soundquality (phone-interview?!) is just too bad ;( could someone (english native speaker maybe) post what he's saying ?! thanks! -as ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH Information Design Schubertstraße 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jules Seifert [SMTP:jseifert@cableinet.co.uk] Gesendet am: Montag, 5. Januar 1998 16:46 An: Kraftwerk Mailing List Betreff: (kw) Orbital and Kraftwerk Of recent current interest in the Orbital/Kraftwerk collaboration, I am told that Paul Hartnoll has spoken about this subject. As I have no realaudio, could somebody post to the list his comments. They can be found at the following site:- http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa/samples.html ciao, --------- Jules Seifert #kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk & Orbital Date: 07 Jan 1998 09:59:08 +0000 In essence, this is what Hartnol had to say about the rumoured Kraftwerk / Orbital collaboration: "We don't know anything about it -- nobody has approached us about it -- it's just a rumour -- however, if Kraftwerk did approach us regardinging working together we would be delighted to do so -- it would be compulsory to do so!" Jono # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Glen Subject: (kw) (KW) The Machines/La Monte Young Date: 07 Jan 1998 10:17:47 +0000 A friend called the Southbank to ask about tickets for the Kraftwerk concert. The gig is scheduled for Autumn and not, as the papers suggest, Feb/March. On another note, this may have been covered before but on October 31st 1997 there was a benefit concert for the minimalist composer La Monte Young at the Barbican in London. Kraftwerk donated 10 t-shirts for auction - the same designs which were available at Tribal. Tony Wilson, Factory Records founder, chaired the auction. The t-shirts sold for between 15 and 30 pounds. -- Leisure # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sergio Bayarri Gausi Subject: (kw) Searching bootlegs Date: 07 Jan 1998 18:20:02 +0100 (MET) Hello! I'm searching for these 2 live bootlegs : "Live in concert 1997" Kraftwerk part of the BBC Tribal Gathering radio broadcast. *and* "Karlsruhe 18.10.1997", 2 CD's Karlsruhe appearance (full concert) plus excerpts from the Tribal Gathering appearance ("Numbers", "Computer World", "Radioactivity", "Trans Europe Express"). Does someone have them or can get them for me? I have a CD-Recorder, so I'm willing to trade for them. By the way, a spanish guy was selling a kraftwerk bootleg. He stated that it was a double-CD of Kraftwerk's live concert at KARLSRUHE's ZKM, and it also featured 3 tracks from the September 1981 Tokyo concert. Is it the same bootleg as above and he was mistaken about the "extra tracks", or is it a different bootleg of KARLSRUHE's concert? Greetings and thanks in advance, Sergio PS:I live in Spain. I can try to find Spanish pressings of the Kraftwerk albums, or spanish-only releases to trade for the bootlegs I'm searching :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Barr" Subject: (kw) re Kraftwerk at RFH Date: 07 Jan 1998 17:42:14 +0100 7/1/98 5:34 pm re Kraftwerk at RFH The Kraftwerk gig at London's Royal Festival Hall is in fact supposed to = take place in September. By the way, if anybody is looking for a copy of the box set which was = issued to coincide with Tribal Gathering (including the t-shirt) I can = put you in touch with someone who's selling one but he's expecting = sizeable offers=C9 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Kock" Subject: (kw) (Fwd) Tribal Gathering Date: 07 Jan 1998 19:11:32 +0000 More info from TV4 and the Tribal Gathering cock-up ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Hej Orsaken till att TV4 har annonserat fel ang=E5ende programmet fr=E5n festi= valen Tribal Gathering =E4r att fel information har g=E5tt till informationsavde= lningen (som skickar ut tabl=E5er till tidningarna). TV4:s ink=F6pschef Tony Mende= s var sj=E4lv bes=F6kande p=E5 festivalen och k=F6pte in materialet f=F6r s=E4nd= ning. Enligt ink=F6psavdelningen m=E5ste ett misstag skett vad det g=E4ller beskrivning av inneh=E5llet i programmet. Tony Mendes har troligtvis k=F6pt in materialet in tron att Kraftwerk och Chemical Brothers ska medve= rka. Under festivalen var n=E4mligen dessa tv=E5 grupper de st=F6rsta. Tony =E4= r p=E5 tj=E4nsteresa och =E4r =E5ter 12 jan) Vi beklagar att fel information har g=E5tt ut. Har du/ni n=E5gra fel fr=E5gor eller kommentarer s=E5 =E4r du/ni v=E4lkomna att =E5terkomma. Vi framf=F6r givetvis er =E5sikt vidare till ink=F6psavdelningen. Mvh Tittarinformationen TV4 AB \\ J.Kock - SysOp on Kockens BBS +4646250256 - Atari ONLY! \\ kock@kockens.pp.se - JKock@nest.demon.co.uk - kock@geocities.com \\ kock@hempseed.com - kock@myself.com - atarisysop@usa.net \\ http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-12411 \\ http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/1353 \\ Proud member of APS!! ICQ:1295365 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: (kw) Metall auf Metall Date: 07 Jan 1998 20:26:52 +0200 Don't know if it has already been posted, but it seems very interesting to me: In mid-97, FM Einheit - formely drummer of Einstuerzende Neubauten - and a person named Ammer released a three-part radioplay under the title "Deutsche Krieger"(geman warriors). The first part is called "Kaiser Wilhelm Overdrive", the second "Adolf Hitler Enterprise" and the third "Ulrike Meinhof Paradise". Kaiser Wilhelm was the last german cesar, whom lead the german tribe in WW1, Adolf Hitler should be "well" known, Ulrike Meinhof was one of the founders of the german "Rote Armee Fraktion", a group some people called resistance, others terrorists. All parts mainly consist of "audio quotes" (don't know the exact word) from the decades of the three people (arranged in chronological order) and are arranged with synthesizer sounds and other music. The reason why I'm posting this here can be found in the "Adolf Hitler Enterprise": As the story reaches the beginning of WW2, the background music is "Metall auf Metall" by Kraftwerk (I'm sure Ammer/Einheit used it because of 'Trans Europe Express'), and as far as I can say in full-length. I don't know - but is this the first full-length sample of Kraftwerk on otherones public recordings ? reagrds, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) The "Karlsruhe 18.10.1997" Bootleg Date: 07 Jan 1998 19:36:15 +0100 (NFT) > "Karlsruhe 18.10.1997", 2 CD's > Karlsruhe appearance (full concert) plus excerpts from the Tribal > Gathering appearance ("Numbers", "Computer World", "Radioactivity", "Trans > Europe Express"). > > By the way, a spanish guy was selling a kraftwerk bootleg. He stated that > it was a double-CD of Kraftwerk's live concert at KARLSRUHE's ZKM, and it > also featured 3 tracks from the September 1981 Tokyo concert. Is it the > same bootleg as above and he was mistaken about the "extra tracks", or is > it a different bootleg of KARLSRUHE's concert? It is a different bootleg, but the recording is identical to the one featured on the "ZKM" double CD (except for the extra tracks, of course). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) The "Karlsruhe 18.10.1997" Bootleg Date: 07 Jan 1998 20:52:18 +0200 Is it from the same master tape or do you mean from the same concert (of course). If they're from different recordings: Which one is the better one ? regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian J. Harris" Subject: Re: (kw) (KW) The Machines/La Monte Young Date: 07 Jan 1998 22:46:55 +0000 > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:17:47 +0000 > > A friend called the Southbank to ask about tickets for the Kraftwerk > concert. The gig is scheduled for Autumn and not, as the papers > suggest, Feb/March. It has always been October has it not? That is what it says on one of the Heaven 17 web sites anyway. Ian J. Harris King of Pop Muzik Trivia # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Re: MY Server Error- sorry! Date: 07 Jan 1998 21:21:14 -0800 OOPS!! I noticed an OLD post of mine from Sept 30th just showed up again- like, yesterday or 2 days ago? Sorry- that was my server. They just sent all clients a message reporting an error in their SENDMAIL software which explains why some people are receiving some of our OLD messages again. Also, I noticed the dates in the KW Mail List Archives are mixed up, such as: "10-23-98" instead of '97, etc. -????- WasSUP?? ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jss@onestone.de Subject: (kw) CDNow annouces new Kraftwerk album Date: 08 Jan 1998 07:52:17 +0200 I received this just a minute ago: The BIG BANG Newsletter Volume 2, Issue 15, Released - January 7, 1997 [...] KRAFTWERK TO RELEASE NEW ALBUM Kraftwerk are to release a new album and perform live on London's South Bank as part of an electronic music festival. Performing under the moniker "Machines", the group will join Scanner, Cabaret Voltaire and the Heaven 17 spin-off group, BEF, for the month long festival. Performances will take place at various South Bank venues including the Royal Festival Hall, Queen Elizabeth Hall and the Purcell Rooms. Kraftwerk's Ralf Hutter has confirmed that the band are "hard at work" in their Kling Klang Studios on a new album which is scheduled for a late-1998 release. My conclusion: No new news at all... regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) The "Karlsruhe 18.10.1997" Bootleg Date: 08 Jan 1998 17:09:27 +0100 (NFT) > Is it from the same master tape or do you mean from the same concert (of > course). It's the same master recording. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) CDNow annouces new Kraftwerk album Date: 08 Jan 1998 22:44:05 GMT jss@onestone.de wrote: >Kraftwerk are to release a new album and perform live on London's South >Bank as part of an electronic music festival. Performing under the = moniker >"Machines", the group will join Scanner, Cabaret Voltaire and the Heaven= 17 >spin-off group, BEF, for the month long festival. Performances will take >place at various South Bank venues including the Royal Festival Hall, = Queen >Elizabeth Hall and the Purcell Rooms. Kraftwerk's Ralf Hutter has = confirmed >that the band are "hard at work" in their Kling Klang Studios on a new >album which is scheduled for a late-1998 release. > good 'ole CDnow! Good to know they don't rip off other's new items! ;-) ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! #Kraftwerk IRC homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) (Fwd) Tribal Gathering Date: 08 Jan 1998 22:43:58 GMT "J.Kock" wrote: > >More info from TV4 and the Tribal Gathering cock-up > > >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >Date: 07 Jan 98 15:49:55 +0100 >From: Petra Bergstrand >Subject: Tribal Gathering >To: "J.Kock" > >Hej > >Orsaken till att TV4 har annonserat fel ang=E5ende programmet fr=E5n = festivalen >Tribal Gathering =E4r att fel information har g=E5tt till = informationsavdelningen >(som skickar ut tabl=E5er till tidningarna). TV4:s ink=F6pschef Tony = Mendes var=20 >sj=E4lv bes=F6kande p=E5 festivalen och k=F6pte in materialet f=F6r = s=E4ndning. > >Enligt ink=F6psavdelningen m=E5ste ett misstag skett vad det g=E4ller >beskrivning av inneh=E5llet i programmet. Tony Mendes har troligtvis >k=F6pt in materialet in tron att Kraftwerk och Chemical Brothers ska = medverka. >Under festivalen var n=E4mligen dessa tv=E5 grupper de st=F6rsta. Tony = =E4r p=E5 >tj=E4nsteresa och =E4r =E5ter 12 jan) > >Vi beklagar att fel information har g=E5tt ut. Har du/ni n=E5gra fel >fr=E5gor eller kommentarer s=E5 =E4r du/ni v=E4lkomna att =E5terkomma. >Vi framf=F6r givetvis er =E5sikt vidare till ink=F6psavdelningen. > >Mvh Tittarinformationen TV4 AB > > Very bloody useful, anyone care to translate into the international language? ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! #Kraftwerk IRC homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Baby Diddy" Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #31 Date: 08 Jan 1998 03:48:36 -0000 Are you sure - I was at Tribal and saw Orbital directly after Kraftwerk but don't recall any overlap. It could be some fancy TV editing??? Does anybody know how I can get a copy of this gig? Someone somewhere must have bootlegged it! Baby Diddy > >Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 03:16:09 +0100 >From: "Conny Fornbäck" >Subject: (kw) Disappointment > >The two hour long TV-show from Tribal Gathering '97 didn't contain >Kraftwerk, in spite of what the papers said. > >But during one of the Orbital songs you could see the "Trans >Europe"-stage in the background. The four videoscreens on stage revealed >that Kraftwerk was playing "Numbers" at the very same time. Mostly >irritating... > >Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #31 Date: 08 Jan 1998 21:34:45 EST actually, does anyone have a taped (audio) copy of orbital's gig at tribal? much appreciated...tom w np: muslimgauze- hamas arc On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:48:36 -0000 "Baby Diddy" writes: > >Are you sure - I was at Tribal and saw Orbital directly after >Kraftwerk but >don't recall any overlap. It could be some fancy TV editing??? > >Does anybody know how I can get a copy of this gig? Someone somewhere >must >have bootlegged it! > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: resin@tuna.net Subject: (kw) international language/sticker Date: 09 Jan 1998 17:01:50 +0600 >>Mvh Tittarinformationen TV4 AB >> >> >Very bloody useful, anyone care to translate into the international >language? > >ciao, > >------------------------------------ >Jules Seifert >The Voice of Energy!! hello K listers Whats up with the gig in london?! In NYC there would be a sold out/freaked out (industry laden) audience. If Kraftverk play nyc they should play somewhere huge so that all the industry nitwits can see the true face of electronic music. Everyone who wants to see them should get to. What is this international language? Esperanto? I doubt it. I hate living in a world where english is the international language. I have picked up some stickers in NYC: the dummys behind the gear image from the computerworld album with a skate clothes company logo at the bottom. I dont want to give up the company name, so keep your eyes out fer these fat stickers at skate stores. yellow and black, pure old school. also- has anyone checked the "Komputer" record? the voice of high NRG music from the 80's darren # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) For Sale Date: 09 Jan 1998 13:19:47 -0000 Hi All, Just to let you all know that I have a couple of music items that I am selling which some of you may be interested in. Details are: 12 inch vinyl The Prodigy - Android (their first ever release on XL Recordings. Android is the Carl Cox classic and this EP also includes the original version of Everybody in the Place) Sensible offers only! CD Set Box set of Ryuichi Sakamotto CD albums. This is a Japanese import and all albums are on the MIDI label. There are 7 or 9 CD's in this set (sorry, can't remember exactly). This was last on sale in the UK at 250 Pounds, will accept best offer over 100 Pounds. Both of the above are in mint condition, you will not be disappointed at the quality. Email me with your offers. Many thanks, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) international language/sticker Date: 09 Jan 1998 09:06:20 EST On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:01:50 +0600 resin@tuna.net writes: > >>>Mvh Tittarinformationen TV4 AB >In NYC there would be a sold out/freaked out >(industry laden) audience. If Kraftverk play nyc they should play >somewhere >huge so that all the industry nitwits can see the true face of >electronic >music. what do u suggest? the meadowlands? yankee stadium? the garden? come on, they'd be lucky if they fill the beacon theater... tom w np: steve hackett - watcher of the skies # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) For Sale Date: 09 Jan 1998 18:25:45 GMT "Craig Land" wrote: >12 inch vinyl The Prodigy - Android (their first ever release on XL >Recordings. Android is the Carl Cox classic and this EP also includes = the >original version of Everybody in the Place) Sensible offers only! > Hi Craig, I was always led to believe that the first Prodigy release was called 'what evil lurks' which came a long time before 'everybody in the place' Any further info on this? ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! #Kraftwerk IRC homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kotta" Subject: (kw) The Prodigy vs. Kraftwerk + language issue Date: 09 Jan 1998 20:56:05 +0100 Hi all, ok, I know this is the KW mailinglist but - for more info about What evil lurks by The Prodigy please visit: http://www.isk.kth.se/~id96_kko/prodigy.htm (and Jules, original version of EITP first appeared on What evil lurks, later came the more played fairground remix of the same track) about language: Keep in mind that on first posting J. Kock stated: "This is a reply from TV4 Sweden, regarding the cock-up with announcing Kraftwerk in their TV commersials regarding Tribal Gathering. Its in Swedish and i dont have the time translating it, so for you non Swedes, sorry about this message ;-)" /Kotta # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) Southbank Concert Date: 10 Jan 1998 09:11:14 +1100 All, This from the Cabaret Voltaire list. If Cabaret Voltaire is confirmed, Kraftwerk looks more promising >Richard H Kirk called me back yesterday. Quite interesting stuff: >The Cabaret Voltaire gig - it's just Richard, not Mal : "People don't seem >to realise that he left the group in 1993 (or '92 - I can't remember what >he said) ... It's just me in the group now - what do they want, blood?" Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) More Superior promo items Date: 10 Jan 1998 17:43:28 +0000 The Esprit Mailorder catalogue (www.eil.com) lists some more Superior promo items in addition to the promo 12" and the promo 2-track enhanced CD, which were already mentioned here a while back: > SUPERIOR Album Sampler (Virgin UK 4-trk promo cassette + title inlay) > SUPERIOR Coma (Withdrawn UK 4-trk promo CD, incls Komatrix Mix by > Karl Bartos of Kraftwerk + Baader Meinhof Mix, etc, p/s VSCDJ1646) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) New Klaus Dinger / Captain Trip releases Date: 10 Jan 1998 17:43:29 +0000 The new Dinger CD's from Captain Trip seem to be out now. Excerpts from the latest Captain Trip catalogue: CTCD-086 La! NEU?: Zeeland CTCD-087 La! NEU?: Rembrant "New project of Klaus Dinger. Very psychedelic trip stuff! The latest album 'Rembrant' is nearly solo album of the keyboard player. All Japan press only." CTCD-078 Thomas Dinger: Fuer Mich "Thomas Dinger (ex NEU!, La Duesseldorf)'s romantic solo album. Original was released in '82. Includes 2 bonus tracks (unreleased). Japan press only." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) (Fwd) Review: Komputer, "World Of Tomorrow" Date: 10 Jan 1998 17:43:31 +0000 From alt.music.independent: "World Of Tomorrow" by Komputer (Mute) Noncommercial collection of more synth/techno reviews at http://www.theendoftheworld.org Ah, so _this_ is where Kraftwerk went. Okay, it's not really Kraftwerk, but Komputer certainly pull off a much-more-than-passable stylistic homage to them. In fact, if the vocalist didn't have an English accent (and a passing similarity to the vocalist from another Mute band, Fortran 5 and their predecessor, I Start Counting), I'd think that Kraftwerk themselves had returned from obscurity with a beautiful new album of old-school electronic music. As it is, Komputer is obviously somebody who really loves the sounds of the early electronic music pioneers. Each track is layered with smooth, lovely analog sounds, resonant blips, electronic burbles, and catchy arpeggiated basslines. The lead lines and repeated phrases invoke memories of "Man-Machine" and "Spacelab." The vocals are distant and dispassionate; the lyrics, for the most part, intelligent and ironic. The topics of the songs even cover similar ground to Kraftwerk's better-known pieces. "The World of Tomorrow," "More Automation," and "Terminus Interminus," all share the fascination with technology found throughout Kraftwerk's _Computer World_. The matched set of "The Perfect Pop Band" and "Komputer Pop," although full of self-referential ego-boosting, remind me of "Technopop" and "Musique Non-Stop," from _Electric Cafe._ "Valentina" is a lovely and admiring ode to Valentina Tereshkova, the first female Cosmonaut, and reminds me of the best parts of _Man-Machine._ This was the featured track on the Komputer EP released earlier last year and has been my daily driving-to-work track for the past several days. So, yes, the album is derivative, but at least they chose someone good to imitate, and did a very very good job of it. If you like Kraftwerk, or if you miss the sounds of the early days of electronic music, Komputer is certainly worth a listen. Review by Josh Brandt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) (Fwd) Review: Komputer, "World Of Tomorrow" Date: 10 Jan 1998 10:09:26 -0800 > From: Klaus Zaepke > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) (Fwd) Review: Komputer, "World Of Tomorrow" > Date: Saturday, January 10, 1998 9:43 AM > > >From alt.music.independent: > > "World Of Tomorrow" by Komputer (Mute) > Noncommercial collection of more synth/techno reviews at > http://www.theendoftheworld.org Funny you should mention this. I tuned into AMP -(MTV)- last night just in time to see The ROBOTS -(cut short)-, followed by 'Valentina' by Komputer. Yeah, they do sound pretty good- after all, they chose the best band to imitate! As for 'Oh, Synthesizer', I wish they had just been honest and did a cover tune, with credit given to KW, instead of blatantly ripping off 'Neon Lights' and adding different lyrics -which I can't even hear.*GRRR*. BTW: Yo, John Talbert! How come my Email to you keeps getting bounced?? Y'all gotta check out John's CD, "PROOF" by EFOFEX. It tickles the brain! Nice trancy VIBES. No, it doesn't sound like KW samples- although there is a definite influence. This is all original stuff! Well- he sampled a bit of dialog from Logan's Run, but, I can handle that. SCI-FI alert! "Logan 5, identify.... identify...." 'Still waiting for the new KW album.... and waiting.... and waiting.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JBV Subject: (kw) Have you noticed my wonderful tan ? Date: 10 Jan 1998 21:13:16 +0000 Hi volks, Bad news : I'm back. And now I'm full of energy (for more arguments and flame wars) ! Anyone ? Cheers. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JBV Subject: (kw) Da ? Niet ? Date: 10 Jan 1998 21:15:02 +0000 Hi again, According to one of my informators, a (roughly) 15 min report on KW has been played yesterday Jan. 9 at around 11:00 PM on the russian channel NTV. It featured excerpts from the Karlruhe gig + a short interview of someone looking like Florian (wearing dark glasses). I got this info from someone who is not a KW fan (and who doesn't give a shit about them) but who was at the Karlruhe gig. The person said that most of the stuff usually shown in that musical program is stolen from other channels, mostly MTV. Does anyone know if something similar has been broadcasted earlier somewhere in the beautiful West ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Have you noticed my wonderful tan ? Date: 10 Jan 1998 16:57:30 EST On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:13:16 +0000 JBV writes: > >Hi volks, > >Bad news : I'm back. > >And now I'm full of energy (for more arguments and flame wars) ! > >Anyone ? > hehe..."here come the warm jets"..... tom w np: ditto # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Have you noticed my wonderful tan ? Date: 11 Jan 1998 22:17:58 GMT JBV wrote: >And now I'm full of energy (for more arguments and flame wars) ! > hehe nice to have you back jbv. Now, who wants to go first, you or me? ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! #Kraftwerk IRC homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Elektric Music News Date: 12 Jan 1998 16:12:11 +0100 (NFT) The new Electric Music (sic!) single & album have been put back until the end of February, according to the January issue of New Life. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) la! NEU?: "Zeeland" details Date: 12 Jan 1998 16:30:50 +0100 (NFT) Details for the new Klaus Dinger / la! NEU? CD release "Zeeland": Cat.-no.: CTCD-086 (la! NEU? 1.000-7) Tracklisting: 1. To get you real (music: Klaus Dinger, words: Viktoria Wehrmeister) 2. Dank je Sanne (for not erasing the tune of Dank je Sanne) (Dinger/Reihse/Wehrmeister) 3. Champagne (Dinger/Reihse/Wehrmeister) 4. Satellite of mine (music: Dinger/Reihse, words: Dinger) 5. Nippon video geisha (Rembrandt Lensink) 6. Zeeland (Renate Dinger) 7. Insekt (Reihse/Wehrmeister) 8. Silly Face (music: Klaus Dinger, words: Viktoria Wehrmeister) Line-up: Renate Dinger: vox + piano on "Zeeland" Rembrandt Lensink: remote control on "Nippon video geisha" Viktoria Wehrmeister: vox, tambourine, perc Andreas Reihse: synthesizers, keyboards, elektro Klaus Dinger (Nikolaus van Rhein): guitars, vox, perc, fx, live-mixing, jx3p, jap. bell Produced + edited by Klaus Dinger. Co-produced by Mari, Renate Dinger, Andreas Reihse + Viktoria Wehrmeister. Recorded, mixed + mastered at Dingerland (Zeeland + Lilienthal-Studio). May - September 1997. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Afrika Bambaataa on Kraftwerk Date: 12 Jan 1998 17:07:02 +0100 (NFT) From the Gary Numan mailing list (numan@cs.uwp.edu): > Coincidentally, last night (Friday) on MTV Europe there was a long > interview with Afrika Bambaataa. He was asked who influenced him and he > replied "James Brown, Sly & Family Stone, George Parliament Psychedelic > Clinton, and then Kraftwerk, Yellow Magic Orchestra and Gary Numan." > > Unfortunately the Numan namecheck slightly fazed the generally clueless > interviewer "Simone" who then rambled on about the Kraftwerk connection > for 10 minutes. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: RE: (kw) Afrika Bambaataa on Kraftwerk Date: 12 Jan 1998 17:22:02 +0100 > From the Gary Numan mailing list (numan@cs.uwp.edu): > > > Coincidentally, last night (Friday) on MTV Europe there was a long > > interview with Afrika Bambaataa. He was asked who influenced him > and he > > replied "James Brown, Sly & Family Stone, George Parliament > Psychedelic > > Clinton, and then Kraftwerk, Yellow Magic Orchestra and Gary Numan." > > > > Unfortunately the Numan namecheck slightly fazed the generally > clueless > > interviewer "Simone" who then rambled on about the Kraftwerk > connection > > for 10 minutes. > Well, as much as I enjoy listening to Gary Numan once in a while (and it's quite a while since last time now), I guess I'm also "clueless". Yours Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) More Kraftwerk concert reviews Date: 12 Jan 1998 16:07:58 +0100 (NFT) There are a few Kraftwerk concert reviews in the German/Austrian press this months: - Lounge 5 (Tribal Gathering) - New Life 9 (Karlsruhe) - Skug 33 (Karlsruhe) - Debug ? (Karlsruhe? (I haven't seen it myself)) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) la! NEU?: "Zeeland" details Date: 12 Jan 1998 11:33:20 EST On Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:30:50 +0100 (NFT) Klaus Zaepke writes: > > >Details for the new Klaus Dinger / la! NEU? CD release "Zeeland": > >Cat.-no.: CTCD-086 (la! NEU? 1.000-7) > an excellent album...i highly recommend it to all... tom w np: kw - chicago 75 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "The Encore" Subject: (kw) I cant get no sleep... ;-) Date: 09 Jan 1998 04:18:42 PST Well since the Tribal Gathering show on TV4 didnt contain any Kraftwerk as we all hoped and it wrecked my sleep for the next 3 days, I might just as well ask... There were a band there called "Juno Reactor", they played a special version of a song I´ve heard before, anyone know what it was called ? Thanx in advance. /// encore ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JBV Subject: (kw) Gide Vich, anyone ? Date: 10 Jan 1998 21:24:09 +0000 Salamalekhoum, This is off-topic, but who cares ? Does anyone know if the new album by Sukhbir is out, and where to get it ? A few weeks back, the video of his new song "Gide Vich" was playing several times a day on Channel V and MTV Asia, but I've been unable to find it in Thailand or Malaysia. May be Singapore (I had no time to go there)... Anyone ? I surfed the net but couldn't find any mailorder site whose database included that name. I also emailed his fan club several weeks back, but never got any answer... FYI, Sukhbir is an Indian/Pakistanese banghra composer/performer, and his studio is based in Dubai. I've always thought that banghra owns a lot to techno-pop style, simply because most of the tracks feature fast-paced regular rythmic patterns (a-la CW) mixing traditional percs and rythm-boxes. And this song "Gide Vich" could certainly please lots of KW addicts (and if you don't understand the lyrics, just imagine it's some exotic Boing Boom Tschak, or some macho love song, something like "I want you to be my sex object", according to the images of the video). BTW, some months ago someone on this list tried to imagine possible collaborations between KW members and other musicians, and I think that a Bartos-Sukhbir collaboration could be something interesting (R&F are too straight, narrow-minded and reclusive for that - flame me ! flame me !). Anyway, I doubt that anyone (Bartos or Sukhbir) has ever heard of the other... But who knows ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Lee Subject: (kw) Father Ted Date: 12 Jan 1998 17:09:37 +0000 Here's one for the Brits among us (or anyone that watches British TV). I'm sure I remember in an episode of Channel 4's 'Father Ted' a Kraftwerk-esque band made up of four priests! It's possible that I dreamt this or something as non of my Father Ted watching friends seem to remember it. Please, somebody tell me it was real as I'm starting to question my sanity! Cheers, Chris Lee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robert.k@daltekvision.se (Robert Krenn) Subject: Re: (kw) Father Ted Date: 12 Jan 1998 18:22:38 +0100 Chris Lee wrote: > > Here's one for the Brits among us (or anyone that watches British TV). > > I'm sure I remember in an episode of Channel 4's 'Father Ted' a > Kraftwerk-esque band made up of four priests! It's possible that I > dreamt this or something as non of my Father Ted watching friends seem > to remember it. > > Please, somebody tell me it was real as I'm starting to question my > sanity! Well 4 men standing by their synths, in very dim light.. starting the song with: "ein, zwei, drei!" and then the tune is very KWish... //Robert - Nice body work Father Ted did on the Car BTW :D -- - Robert Krenn http://www.daltekvision.se - - tel 1: +46 (0)243 87858 tel 2: +46 (0)243 73504 - - mob: +46 (0)70 5718622 fax: +46 (0)243 85402 - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tezzy M" Subject: Re: (kw) Father Ted Date: 12 Jan 1998 18:26:33 CET >Here's one for the Brits among us (or anyone that watches British TV). > >I'm sure I remember in an episode of Channel 4's 'Father Ted' a >Kraftwerk-esque band made up of four priests! It's possible that I >dreamt this or something as non of my Father Ted watching friends seem >to remember it. > >Please, somebody tell me it was real as I'm starting to question my >sanity! > >Cheers, >Chris Lee You aren't insane and you haven't dreamt! I've also seen an episode of 'Father Ted' on Swedish (!) tv where they were imitating Kraftwerk and they played a KW-song, but I don't remember which one. /Tezzy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Alan Wilder on Kraftwerk Date: 12 Jan 1998 17:02:29 +0100 (NFT) From the Faith (Alan Wilder/Recoil) mailing list: > NEW MUSIC UNITED DANISH CHAT WITH ALAN WILDER FROM RECOIL - SEPTEMBER 1997 (...) > Q. PINKY: Tue 23 Sep 13:09 > What's your favorite artist / band of all times? > > A. AlanWilder: Tue 23 Sep 13:12 > Beatles, early David Bowie, Kraftwerk, Little Jimmy Osmond. (...) > Q. NewMusicUnited: Tue 23 Sep 13:13 > Did you see Kraftwerk at Glastonbury? > > PINKY: Tue 23 Sep 13:15 > I believe it was The Tribal Gathering......did you see them at > Glastonbury...what were you on? > > A. AlanWilder: Tue 23 Sep 13:15 > I haven't been to a festival for years - I don 't like mud and I prefer an > indoor toilet with soft paper... (...) > Q. PINKY: Tue 23 Sep 13:17 > Are you looking forward to the new potential new Kraftwerk album, or > do you think they are past their sell by date? > > A. AlanWilder: Tue 23 Sep 13:19 > Yes I am looking forward to the new Kraftwerk album. But it's difficult > to imagine in what direction they could go next. (...) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Lee Subject: Re: (kw) Father Ted Date: 12 Jan 1998 19:52:58 +0000 Robert Krenn wrote: > Chris Lee wrote: > > > I'm sure I remember in an episode of Channel 4's 'Father Ted' a > > Kraftwerk-esque band made up of four priests! > > Well 4 men standing by their synths, in very dim light.. starting the > song with: "ein, zwei, drei!" and then the tune is very KWish... Hooray! I'm not going mad! Thanks Robert. Does anyone have any idea of the episode's name and what series it was in. I need to prove my sanity to my friends. Cheers, Chris Lee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Conny Fornbäck" Subject: Re: (kw) I cant get no sleep... ;-) Date: 13 Jan 1998 00:17:22 +0100 The Encore wrote: > Tribal Gathering > There were a band there called "Juno Reactor", they played a special > version of a song I´ve heard before, anyone know what it was called ? I think they played "High Energy Protons" Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Planet Trance Date: 13 Jan 1998 00:45:28 -0800 PLANET TRANCE: the closest thing to RAVE Culture here behind the Redwood Curtain. I gotta tell all my CyberBuddies- please share my joy! I can't believe it! I went to Planet Trance again Sunday night at Hefe's in Eureka, CA -(after missing out the past 2 weeks)- and they just now started doing a small chill-out room upstairs for the first time. Yes, we played a LOT of KRAFTWERK up there! Bear with me- fun story.... First, I helped decorate the place with whatever was handy. -(I'll do more ArtWERK for next week. Classic UFO Alien stuff. That's their "logo".)- Then they asked ME to MIX!!*shudder*!! -(upstairs, that is. NOT the main dance floor, ofcourse.)- Can you believe it? I told them I don't know HOW, but, they encouraged me to give it a try. "GO for it, ROBOT!" So I did. Hardly anyone came into the room right then- I was mostly alone at the time, so, why not? They started me out with RADIOACTIVITY and I played Ruckzack & TEE with it and goofed around for a few minutes till it was the next guy's turn. Pity they didn't show me the speed control at first so I could match rhythms right. Next time I'll know. I barely had a chance to get familiar with the equipment in 10 or 15 minutes -my first time EVER! -(If I knew what I was DOing, I'd be dangerous!*HeeHee*! The ROBOTS would take over!)- I need to practice and learn the controls. -(They let another guy mix later on, and he did really well. They stood by and showed him everything, but, with me, they just pointed at a few of the knobs and turned me loose.)- So, whenever all of the DJs are busy, I get to babysit the ChillZone and play whatever I want! YEAH! It's a thrill for me to be an active participant of Planet Trance, not only doing Art for their SPACE, but, learning how to spin Tunes, too! Jeez- I never even dared to DREAM they'd ask me to fumble around with their turntables! All the DJs in the House say YEAH! I do All Things for the Further Advancement of Earthlings' Knowledge of KRAFTWERK. I'm getting to know some "newer" TEKKNO while I'm at it. Speadin' The VIBE.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Houle Subject: (kw) Tour De France remix Date: 13 Jan 1998 11:39:02 -0500 I was just listening to a remix of tour de france(mp3) with sex sounds mixed into it. I was just wondering if this is some crappy basement mix or something that everyone has heard.... Marc # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J Talbert Subject: Re: (kw) (Fwd) Review: Komputer, "World Of Tomorrow" Date: 13 Jan 1998 14:41:12 -0500 ROBOT wrote: > BTW: Yo, John Talbert! How come my Email to you keeps getting bounced?? I know I already replied to this privately ROBOT, but in case anyone else had problems sendingme email, here's the scoop: Sometimes I make postings to different newsgroups (alt.music.techno, alt.music.midi, etc) and I always change my return address to avoid the darn *spam* that always results from making newsgroup postings. However, due to forgetfulness on my part, I sometimes forget to change it back to a valid email address :( So for anyone that has hit this problem with me, I humbly apologize for your inconvience. If I ever do this again (since I'm still forgetful) just remove any uppercase letters and underscores from the address or just remember 'jtalbert@ameritech.net' I don't think it will change for sometime soon. > Y'all gotta check out John's CD, "PROOF" by EFOFEX. It tickles the brain! > Nice trancy VIBES. No, it doesn't sound like KW samples- although there is > a definite influence. This is all original stuff! Well- he sampled a bit of > dialog from Logan's Run, but, I can handle that. SCI-FI alert! "Logan 5, > identify.... identify...." Wow!! Thanks for the great compliment!!! I'm blushing :o) BTW: I've mailed out all but 3 promo CD singles now and those will go out within the next 2 days (ran out of envelopes, darn it) Oh, yeah...the full length CD is now available and I'm offering free 'efofex' t-shirts to the first 10 orders. Who's financing this whole thing you may ask? Me. What does that mean? I'm broke!!! One more thing: I now have realaudio samples of ALL of the tracks from the CD now in addition to a *complete*, full length realaudio stream of the 5 track CD that I gave away last month. It can be found at: http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/proof.html And now that the CD is recorded, I can now get back to werk making more Krafwerk MIDI files and filling "PROOF" orders (I hope! :)) Electric Peace -John 'efofex' Talbert _________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d featuring the electronica of 'efofex' http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html mailto:jtalbert@ameritech.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) MP3s of TDF? Date: 13 Jan 1998 13:44:42 -0800 Does anybody have any MP3 files of Tour de France -(Original)-? Trying to help a CyberPal out- Thanx.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paisley1@mindspring.com Subject: (kw) kraftwerk real video Date: 13 Jan 1998 15:53:54 -0600 i lost the URL of someone who runs a kraftwerk site that has some real video of kraftwerk's videoes including the robots and other live stuff. can someone help me out? -- may u live 2 see 1999 The views expressed above may be there just to piss you off. "What a fantastic death I was having!" - David Bowie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar R Johansson Subject: Re: (kw) MP3s of TDF? Date: 13 Jan 1998 22:57:14 +0100 98-01-13 22.44 ROBOT skrev: >Does anybody have any MP3 files of Tour de France -(Original)-? Trying to >help a CyberPal out- Thanx.... http://www.gunnar.net/kraftwerk/ ("tdf.mp3" is Tour de France in mp3). Gunnar R Johansson http://www.gunnar.net gunnar@gunnar.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Houle Date: 13 Jan 1998 17:09:28 -0500 !i lost the URL of someone who runs a kraftwerk site that has some real !video of kraftwerk's videoes including the robots and other live stuff. !can someone help me out? They can be found here I believe! http://www.dragonfire.net/~petenet/kraftwerk/index.html Marc # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Lee Subject: (kw) What's this? Date: 13 Jan 1998 22:20:56 +0000 > may u live 2 see 1999 > The views expressed above may be there just to piss you off. > "What a fantastic death I was having!" - David Bowie What's this all about? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) (Fwd) Review: Komputer, "World Of Tomorrow" Date: 13 Jan 1998 12:49:31 -0800 -(John Talbert sez)- -------- I always change my return address to avoid the darn *spam* that always results from making newsgroup postings. However, due to forgetfulness on my part, I sometimes forget to change it back to a valid email address :( -------- 10-4! So, what's with "jtalbert@ford.com"???? -(Check your post)- Now we're ALL confused!*HeeHee*! Atleast I caught it this time.... -(Hopefully you've received my letter/order by now.)- Another List Member, Marc Power, sent me a video tape of his band, Born To Go. Live gig! I haven't viewed it yet, but, I'm sure I'll enjoy it. -(I'll watch it today, right after Days of Our Lives.)- He describes it as SpaceRock, yet he also describes it as being real aggressive- atleast that's the impression I got in his messages. Hm-m. Curious. Well, we'll see.... Anyway, that was the mysterious packet waiting for me at Mom's house. -(So- yes, John/EFOFEX, I definitely nEEd a cassette copy of ZKM. ThanX!)- All these lovely CyberPals keep sending me such KooL StuFF! I am not worthy! But, I AM grateful! -(Not to mention FLAT BROKE.)- Thanks, everyone! There's a LOT of good TALENT out there! Oh- that reminds me: I'm hoping to order tunes from.... uh-oh, I can't remember.... "robot228@aol"? -(I should recall that name as well as my own!)- "Ken"?? Rats- my positronic memory fails me. I remember visiting his WebSite and hearing some audio files, I think.... Whoever it is, PLEASE Email me and straighten me out- I'm STARVing for NEW tunes! The problem is; Ralf & Florian are taking too damned long with their *NEW* Album!*ARGH*! -(PLEASE tour the STATES, boys- and all around the World- KW Fans are EVerywhere!)- I'm sure there's sufficient interest to merit a tour in a few major cities- maybe not at the biggest arenas like Times Square New York or Candlestick Park San Fransisco, but, hey, there are some nice smaller/medium sized places KW could fill. Why not? ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Manno Toshikazu Subject: (kw) Live Tapes Date: 14 Jan 1998 14:15:55 +0900 (JST) Hi All, I have KW's tapes, Whether It's valuable or not. These are recorded in their Japan tour 1981. 1.set list; Sept.11 1981 at Osaka Festival Hall Greeting:'Konbanwa'(Good evening) Numbers Computer World Computer Love Homecomputer *The Model *Neon Lights *Autobahn *Radio Activity-Voice of Energy *Hall of The Mirrors *Showroom Dummies Trans-Europe Express *Pocket Calculator(Dentaku) *The Robots *It's more fun to compute Greeting:'Sayounara'(Good bye) *:Recorded mono to quasi-stereo and equalized and NR. Sound quality is not so good. I'm trying to CD-R copy. Tokyo live was on-aired by NHK FM. set list May be almost same as above, but On Aired list is as follows; 2.song list; Sept.?? 1981 at Tokyo Numbers Computer World Computer Love Homecomputer Neon Lights Autobahn Trans-Europe Express Showroom Dummies The Robots It's more fun to compute Sound Quality is FM grade, of course. Best Regards Manno Toshikazu ---Music, The Final Frontier--- manno@rdd.kenwood.co.jp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Planet Trance Date: 13 Jan 1998 23:50:46 -0700 (MST) On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, ROBOT wrote: > First, I helped decorate the place with whatever was handy. -(I'll do more > ArtWERK for next week. Classic UFO Alien stuff. That's their "logo".)- Then > they asked ME to MIX!!*shudder*!! -(upstairs, that is. NOT the main dance > floor, ofcourse.)- Can you believe it? I told them I don't know HOW, but, > they encouraged me to give it a try. "GO for it, ROBOT!" So I did. Hardly > anyone came into the room right then- I was mostly alone at the time, so, > why not? They started me out with RADIOACTIVITY and I played Ruckzack & TEE > with it and goofed around for a few minutes till it was the next guy's Yay, ROBOT! Become a regular DJ and spread the gospel of KW! :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Tour De France remix Date: 14 Jan 1998 13:27:42 +0000 > I was just listening to a remix of tour de france(mp3) with sex sounds > mixed into it. I was just wondering if this is some crappy basement mix or > something that everyone has heard.... > > Marc hahahaha! that's Ralf and Florian you can hear, puffing and panting on their bikes. sex sounds? could be! ;-) "in the summer time, when the weather is high..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Houle Subject: Re: (kw) Tour De France remix Date: 14 Jan 1998 09:11:27 -0500 !> I was just listening to a remix of tour de france(mp3) with sex sounds !> mixed into it. I was just wondering if this is some crappy basement mix or !> something that everyone has heard.... !> !> Marc ! !hahahaha! that's Ralf and Florian you can hear, puffing and panting on !their bikes. sex sounds? could be! ;-) No, No! I know the song....these are different 'sex sounds'! :) Most definately a girl screaming and not the TDF pant. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) Tour De France remix Date: 14 Jan 1998 15:12:12 -0000 > >!> I was just listening to a remix of tour de france(mp3) with sex sounds >!> mixed into it. I was just wondering if this is some crappy basement mix or >!> something that everyone has heard.... >!> >!> Marc >! >!hahahaha! that's Ralf and Florian you can hear, puffing and panting on >!their bikes. sex sounds? could be! ;-) > >No, No! I know the song....these are different 'sex sounds'! :) >Most definately a girl screaming and not the TDF pant. > Hey Jono, I think you shoulda marked that post [UK] ;-) Julsey # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J Talbert Subject: Re: (kw) (Fwd) Review: Komputer, "World Of Tomorrow" Date: 14 Jan 1998 07:58:02 -0500 ROBOT wrote: > -(John Talbert sez)- > -------- > I always change my return address to avoid the darn *spam* that always > results from making newsgroup postings. However, due to forgetfulness on > my part, I sometimes forget to change it back to a valid email address :( > -------- > > 10-4! > So, what's with "jtalbert@ford.com"???? -(Check your post)- Now we're ALL > confused!*HeeHee*! Atleast I caught it this time.... Well, jtalbert@ford.com is my company email address. I just happen to be reading the listat work when I replied.. However, I'd rather not have too much non-work related email sent to that address. Hence, jtalbert@ameritech.net -- that's the one to use :) Regards, -John 'efofex' Talbert _______________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d featuring the electronica of EFOFEX http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html mailto:jtalbert@ameritech.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) TDF Date: 14 Jan 1998 17:03:21 -0000 well if some people think that Ralph and Florian are making those sex noises on TDF, maybe they are listening to Queen's, 'I Want to Ride (in the sexual connotation) my bicycle', they probably have removed their saddles and are sitting on the saddle mount!!!! Q. What was the best thing Freddie Mercury ever did with Queen? A. DIE...............Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tobi" Subject: Re: (kw) Kral Bartos in "Der Spiegel" Date: 14 Jan 1998 19:53:38 +0100 On Sat, Dec 27, 1997, Thomas wrote: >The last issue of the German newsmagazine "Der Spiegel" contained >a two-page article about how computers changed modern music, on the >example of Bartos' work on his new Elektric album. The article is also available online via http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/musik/aktuell/compumusik.html . Nag nag nag, .bi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony Glampson" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk In the NME again Date: 14 Jan 1998 21:18:41 -0000 Hi everyone, I last reported to you about the NME featuring a article about Kraftwerk performing Live in London next year. Well in this week's NME they have featured a page which they say "Hears the snivelling excuses of electronica's sleeping giants and susses their chances of delivering their albums this year". Kraftwerk are the first band listed. This is what they printed Kraftwerk Last LP: Electric Cafe way back in 1986, Unless you count 1991's glorified Greatest Hits The MIX. Excuse: The usual excuse-That they're perfectionists who've been busy rebuilding their Kling Klang studio with state-of-the-art digital gear. Signs Of Life: Their triumphant Tribal Gathering appearance last year. Album Expected: Sometime late this year, according to Ralf Hutter. He may even be telling the truth-The Tribal Gathering set included one new track, with a further two cropping up at an Austrian show at the end of last year. Chances Of Arrival In 1998: 20-1 They went on to comment on the following artists; Unkle, Leftfield, Goldie, LTJ Bukem, Derrick May, LFO, My Bloody Valentine, Plastikman and Grooverider. If anyone would like to contact The NME try Visiting their Web Site. www.nme.com Best wishes, anthony@ducie.force9.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.T." Subject: (kw) r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d - Active-K Update!! + efofex goes radio Date: 14 Jan 1998 18:05:38 -0800 OK. I've updated the Active-K page. This week features an MP3 of the first untitled new song from the ZKM concert. Go and get it. BTW: Here's a happy thing (for me at least) I just got my first airplay from my debut CD "PROOF". And right before Lassique Bendthaus (what an honor!) It was on CIUT radio 89.5 FM in Toronto. And I was told more airplay is on the way (yippie!!!!) Here's the URL to their recently aired playlist: http://www.interlog.com/~stained/feedback/playlist/pl980106.htm Gosh, I'm happy enough to try and crank out a new KW MIDI file right now :))))) See ya -John 'efofex' Talbert ______________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "Continuing the tradition of the underground resonance" -f(x) featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: (kw) Longing for New Album Date: 14 Jan 1998 17:58:07 -0800 Greetings to All! I'd like to introduce myself, I 'm Eric Knight. I have been a Kraftwerk fan since 1979 when I first heard "Numbers" played on the radio. The Station was WLBS out of Mount Clemens Michigan where I live. Ihave recently DL'd the Luton97 movie from Kraftwerks Home Page. Unfourtuintaly (Bad Spelling) Since I have only a Macintosh LCII I cannot play MP3 or Real audio Tracks. So, I'm Impaiently waiting a new release from the "Fathers of Electronic Music". Cheers All! Eric Knight ericknig@sprynet.com I'll Make A Sig when I'm Good & Ready! :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Longing for New Album Date: 15 Jan 1998 08:55:24 +0100 Eric Knight wrote: > > So, I'm Impaiently waiting a new release from the "Fathers of > Electronic Music". A new release from whom ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) Longing for New Album Date: 15 Jan 1998 09:25:51 -0000 > >I have been a Kraftwerk fan since 1979 when I first heard "Numbers" played >on the radio. The Station was WLBS out of Mount Clemens Michigan where I > Blimey, that radio station must have a seriously good time machine! I thought number wasn't around until at least another year! ;-) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kotta" Subject: (kw) TDF mixes Date: 16 Jan 1998 01:24:32 +0100 Hey, Does anyone have TDF shortmix on mp3? /Kotta # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: Re: (kw) Longing for New Album Date: 15 Jan 1998 18:28:56 -0800 >---------- >IgNORE this jbv guy. He stirred up a bunch of flame wars a while back, >split for a while, and now he's back, stirring up shit again. He's >harmless, but, he's a real smart-@$$. Don't let him get to ya. He just >likes to prove that all the rumors are TRUE about French people being rude >& abrasive. SOME of us on the List lovingly -and RIGHTfully- refer to KW as >"The Gods" or "The Godfathers of TEKKNO", and other people on the List get >huffy if we say it. Beware: Trolls are everywhere!*HeeHee*! I'm probably >the "silliest" subscriber on the List, and Klaus Zaepke is the most >"serious". He's not a bad guy, but, he gets "uppity" sometimes. However, he >IS a good source of info for KW Articles and stuff- I just wish he had less >"attitude", eh? Sorry- I don't mean to spread "gossip". MOST people on the >List are KooL. But, some are kinda mean. I'm sure people say all kinds of >nasty things about me because I'm so KinKy-Weird and all, so, I have no >room to talk. ;] ROBOWINKY > >ROBOT@humboldt1.com >http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ >ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace > >+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ >=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= >+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ Dude ! You Are WAcked!! (Grin) Hey, thanks for the info! Yes, I too Live the life of a Kraftwerkian. (Is this Correct?) Any Video Available of KW? I already have the Luton 97 Movie. TTfn! Eric Knight # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: Re: (kw) Longing for New Album Date: 15 Jan 1998 18:38:13 -0800 >Hello Eric!! >Hey, I remember WLBS! I live about 20 minutes from Mt. Clements. > >If you would like a cassette of some of Kraftwerk's the new tracks (as >played at >Tribal Gathering and ZKM last year), drop me an email. > >Please reply to jtalbert@ameritech.net >Since this is not really business related, I'd prefer not to have any mail >sent to >jtalbert@ford.com > >Take to ya soon. > >-John Actually I reside in Chesterfield Twp. I would be interested in catching some of the KW Recordings. I only have (Shame on me) Man Machine, The Mix , A Single of "The Robots & Showroom Dummies & Electric Cafe. My favorite album was "ComputerWorld" Which I *HAD* on cassette till My Explorer's Tape Deck *ATE* it. I'm still looking for a CD of "Computer World". I will Not rest till I have it in my 50+1 Sony CD player! Eric ericknig@sprynet.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: Re: (kw) Longing for New Album Date: 15 Jan 1998 18:43:13 -0800 >> >> So, I'm Impaiently waiting a new release from the "Fathers of Electronic >> Music". >> Ernesto Perez Wrote: >umm... according to the April '97 issue of MOJO, Ralf and Florian have >already dropped off some material to EMI for the next album...! Where Might I be able to find "Mojo" Magazine? I have never heard of it before. Thanks ! Eric Knight \ ericknig@sprynet.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: (kw) Parenthood... Date: 16 Jan 1998 04:02:04 +0000 jbv wrote: > > So, I'm Impaiently waiting a new release from the "Fathers of > > Electronic Music". > > A new release from whom ? Heehee. You know, those guys that came after The Beatles, the "Fathers of Tonal Nusic." -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Sympathy for the Devil Date: 16 Jan 1998 13:55:02 +0100 ROBOT wrote (with a little help from Eric Knight) : >IgNORE this jbv guy. He stirred up a bunch of flame wars a while back, >split for a while, and now he's back, stirring up shit again. He's >harmless, but, he's a real smart-@$$. Don't let him get to ya. He just >likes to prove that all the rumors are TRUE about French people being >rude & abrasive. Wow ! Great ! How do you get the inspiration for such statements ? Do you have a catalog from which to choose your pick ? Or do you use some automatic random generator ? >SOME of us on the List lovingly -and RIGHTfully- refer to KW as >"The Gods" or "The Godfathers of TEKKNO", and other people on the List >get huffy if we say it. (snip) > Sorry- I don't mean to spread "gossip". MOST people on the >List are KooL. But, some are kinda mean. I'm sure people say all kinds >of nasty things about me because I'm so KinKy-Weird and all, so, I have > no room to talk. Actually, the problem with many mailing-lists on the net is that they're full of pathetic people : - who are so convinced that their own vision of the discussed topic is the only politically correct possible one, that they can't stand any critic / contradiction and qualify them immediately as "flame wars" or "stirring up shit", - who don't know that such things as discussion and debate exist, and who never make the effort to back every statement they post with at least one single fact - who are so ignorant and/or lazy that they don't take the time to browse the archives and always ask the same boring questions - who were born (or spoon-fed from childhood) with strong anti-french (or anti-german, or anti-european, or anti-something) feelings, and never miss a good opportunity to express those in public in order to get the feeling that they have a personnality - who think that every other list member is driven by similar motivations - whose cultural horizons don't go beyond "Beam me up, Scotty !" - who act on the net just like frustrated and tight-ass females act in their kitchen, spreading silly gossips about their neighbors behind their back... Jeeez ! Why am I wasting so much energy on that ????? The truth is that it's so quick and easy and gratifying to click the "send" button and post such things as "KW are the gods of techno", or "this is shit", or "Franzosen sind unterMenschen" (my own addition to the list of crappy stuff)... But it takes hours to deconstruct every such statement and put it in perspective... So sometimes, a little bit of humour / provocation / cynism helps, because it's quicker... Holy shit ! Why do I have to explain all of that ????? ----------------------- And BTW, just to prove you how RUDE and MEAN I can be, in addition to the interviews of R&F I posted to this list a few months back (but it seems that some robots on this list have only a few bytes of memory), I'm happy to say that I finally found the time to scan all the pictures and reviews of KW I could find in magazines from the 70s. But since I'm too lazy to have a personal WEB page, I'll have to send the stuff to someone... And for those interested in Electronic Music history, and who like the nostalgic side of pictures used by KW in their videos, I also found a few B&W pictures from 1970 of Pierre Henry (one of the TRUE "fathers of electronic music", along with Stockhausen, Subotnick and several others) in his studio or on stage. This studio was at that time a mythical place among EM afficionados (decades before the KK studio) where this guy gathered all kind of custom-made gear by the Philips engineers (his record company back then), including synths (well, actually "sound generators") featuring not ICs, not transistors, but TUBES !!! The picture of him on stage concerns his experiments with the Corticalart in the early 70s, a machinery that allowed him to improvise live by driving his gear with his brainwaves... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J Talbert Subject: Re: (kw) Longing for New Album Date: 16 Jan 1998 09:36:43 -0500 Eric Knight wrote: > >Hello Eric!! > >Hey, I remember WLBS! I live about 20 minutes from Mt. Clements. > > > >If you would like a cassette of some of Kraftwerk's the new tracks (as > >played at > >Tribal Gathering and ZKM last year), drop me an email. > > > >Please reply to jtalbert@ameritech.net > >Since this is not really business related, I'd prefer not to have any mail > >sent to > >jtalbert@ford.com > > > >Take to ya soon. > > > >-John > > Actually I reside in Chesterfield Twp. I would be interested in catching > some of the KW Recordings. I only have (Shame on me) Man Machine, The Mix > , A Single of "The Robots & Showroom Dummies & Electric Cafe. My favorite > album was "ComputerWorld" Which I *HAD* on cassette till My Explorer's > Tape Deck *ATE* it. > > I'm still looking for a CD of "Computer World". I will Not rest till I have > it in my 50+1 Sony CD player! Well you're talking to the right dude!! :) I'm (probably) the biggest Kraftwerk fan in Michigan! (Or at least I'm in the top ten) Anyway, you should be able to find Computer World on CD at the following stores: - Best Buy (I've seen it in the Dearborn and Southfield locations) - Record Time (Roseville, on Gratiot North of I-696) - Harmony House (Berkley, on the west side of Woodward, north of 12 or 13 mile ) Harmony House in Berkeley even has the German Import CDs of Radioactivity, Man Machine, Computer World and Electric Cafe. Tres Cool stuff. HH will even do special orders. - Desirable Discs (Somewhere in Dearborn, but I don't know the location since they recently moved to a new building) - Media Play (Southfield in the Tel-12 Mall) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) Longing for New Album Date: 16 Jan 1998 09:54:03 -0500 (EST) On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, J Talbert wrote: > Well you're talking to the right dude!! :) > I'm (probably) the biggest Kraftwerk fan in Michigan! (Or at least I'm in the top > ten) I think I'm on that list, too...I'm in Ann Arbor. If you can make it here, just about any of the music stores in town usually have a pretty good Kraftwerk selection in stock, particularly Tower and Schoolkids. Schoolkids Records frequently has a lot of rarer KW stuff, too, like import versions and the Germanofon bootlegs. John Morgan "'One can't always be high.' Oh no? One The University of Michigan only has to properly orient oneself." jbmorgan@umich.edu --Walter Benjamin http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) Longing for New Album Date: 16 Jan 1998 10:06:07 -0500 (EST) On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Eric Knight wrote: > I'm still looking for a CD of "Computer World". I will Not rest till I have > it in my 50+1 Sony CD player! Although I'm sure you could find it here in Ann Arbor, it just occurred to me that any decent music store should be able to order it for you. CW is still being printed and distributed by a major label. John Morgan "'One can't always be high.' Oh no? One The University of Michigan only has to properly orient oneself." jbmorgan@umich.edu --Walter Benjamin http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Henning Schmitz Subject: Re: (kw) Sympathy for the Devil Date: 16 Jan 1998 02:50:48 +0000 >Actually, the problem with many mailing-lists on the net is that=20 >they're full of pathetic people : Actually, this kind of talk and posting is long and generally=20 uninteresting. I'm not interetsed in private e-mail wars so can we stop=20 bitching? Now does anybody know anything about KW's planned apperance for Tribal=20 Gathering in 1994? I know the festival was cancelled, but what actually=20 happened and how much work did KW do in preparation..=20 Looked in record Collector as well, The Telephone Call 12" is worth =A320!= =20 Yikes.=20 There's also a "This One's Not Dead" mix of "Dead Man Walking" by David=20 Bowie that sounds like him singing over the 'sex sounds' break in TDF=20 12"=20 Back to my post... By the way I'm not actually Henning. --=20 Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk rarities Date: 16 Jan 1998 11:11:48 -0500 (EST) Last weekend I picked up a couple of unusual Kraftwerk LPs, and I was wondering if somebody on the list knew how rare they were. The first is a promotional version of COMPUTER WORLD, featuring just "Numbers" and "Computer World" on the first side, and "Computer Love" on the second. The album cover features the (poorly-drawn) faces of the Fantastic Four on both sides, with KRAFTWERK in English on one side and in Japanese on the other. The other thing was a copy of RALF AND FLORIAN. I'm fairly certain that it's an original US printing, as it says "Also available on Musicassette and 8-Track" on the back...terms which were pretty exclusive to the mid-70s! How many of these were printed? I also picked up a well-weathered original US LP release of AUTOBAHN a few months ago, but I imagine that these are pretty common. If anyone can tell me anything about these albums, it would be greatly appreciated. John Morgan "'One can't always be high.' Oh no? One The University of Michigan only has to properly orient oneself." jbmorgan@umich.edu --Walter Benjamin http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Poolton Subject: (kw) Funny albums Date: 16 Jan 1998 16:39:28 +0000 Last weekend I picked up a couple of unusual Kraftwerk LPs, and I was wondering if somebody on the list knew how rare they were. The first is a promotional version of COMPUTER WORLD, featuring just "Numbers" and "Computer World" on the first side, and "Computer Love" on the second. The album cover features the (poorly-drawn) faces of the Fantastic Four on both sides, with KRAFTWERK in English on one side and in Japanese on the other. >>He he he, an "LP" with two tracks on one side and one on the other eh? Sounds like what we call a 12 inch single in the UK! Cheers y'all Richard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) Funny albums Date: 16 Jan 1998 12:20:45 -0500 (EST) On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Richard Poolton wrote: > >>He he he, an "LP" with two tracks on one side and one on the other eh? Sounds like what we call a 12 inch single in the UK! Yes, I used the wrong term, sorry. I'm definitely of the CD generation and I seldom buy records, unless there's something unusual about them. But, my question about the rarity of the single remains...does anyone know? John Morgan "'One can't always be high.' Oh no? One The University of Michigan only has to properly orient oneself." jbmorgan@umich.edu --Walter Benjamin http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fer" Subject: (kw) test message (sorry!) Date: 16 Jan 1998 21:04:27 +0100 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Sympathy for the Devil Date: 16 Jan 1998 14:04:51 -0800 My appologies to the List. That was a PRIVATE message to Eric, obviously said in jest, not intended for the List, and not intended to be taken seriously. -(jbv kinda flamed the new guy, and I was telling Eric -privately- not to let it bug him.)- Considering all of jbv's mean & sarcastic wise-cracks, you'd think he could stand a small dose of his own medicine, eh? I was just kidding around and he got nasty. Enough is enough already. I had NO intention of this going public. NO MORE! Excuse me, I've got records to spin at PLANET TRANCE. ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.T." Subject: (kw) ZKM song #1 in MP3 Date: 16 Jan 1998 17:08:22 -0800 Hi fellow starving Kraftwerk fans (boy, that hurt when I said that...) Anyway, I don't know (or remember) if this post got through the first time (had some strange error occur during the send) But, I've updated the Active-K page at resonance underground with an MP3 of song #1 from the ZKM concert. So download away! Next week is song #2 followed immediately by song #3 (ie. the Luton song) http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/activek.html Regards, -John 'efofex' Talbert ______________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "Continuing the tradition of the underground resonance" -f(x) featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' (w/ new CD "PROOF"!) Kraftwerk MIDI files http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) The end of violence Date: 17 Jan 1998 00:32:27 +0100 OK folks. Everything is fine now. Flame wars are behind us (as they said in 1918). I just don't think that the best way to avoid flame wars is to tell every newbie that someone is stiring up shit. And FYI, I can stand HUGE doses of my own medicine, as long as : - it's not gratuitous attacks of someone's cultural / national origines - it avoids pompous and boring cliches - every statement is backed with at least one tangible fact / example (to feed the discussion and to keep it going). I know this sounds obvious, but if you check the archives you'll see that it's not always the case. And by the way, you'll see that the ratio of my so-called "mean & sarcastic wise-cracks" versus my other contributions is not exactly what some people think. Have fun. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: (kw) JBV has a Point. Date: 16 Jan 1998 16:28:40 -0800 JBV you are correct in stating that MY comment about "The Fathers of Electronic Music" Was a blind statement. I have no Info to Back it up. My enthusiasim & love for Krafwerk are very deep. I applaud those who Post pictures, Sound Clips, Movies, ...etc. of Kraftwerk, for I can only be a follower . I sit humbled in front of my lowly Macintosh LCII, waiting for a glimpse, sign , sound. from those who work hard bringing word of Kraftwerk! Eric Knight ericknig@sprynet.com SIG: NONE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christoph Soltmannowski Subject: (kw) Kraftwerkish vilains in new Coen movie Date: 17 Jan 1998 11:40:18 +0000 I am working as a movie journalist in Switzerland. Yesterday I was reading the script of the new Coen Brothers movie "The Big Lebowski", starring Jeff Bridges, John Goodman, Steve Buscemi and Julianne Moore. The movie will be released in March. Le me cite a very interesting part: __________________________________ Maude: "Dieter has been on the fringes of – well, of everything in L. A., for about twenty years. Look at my LP's. Under "Autobahn"." The Dude fingers through the albums filling one bookshelf "...that was his group.--they released one album in the mid-seventies..." (...) Maude: "Huh? Autobahn. A-u-t-o. Their music is a sort of --ugh--techno-pop." The Dude pulls out an album with a worn sleeve. On it is the group's name, AUTOBAHN, the album name, NAGELBETT, and a picture of three young Germans, their foreheads looming below slicked-black hair, gazing upward in thin-lipped epiphany. They are wearing severe but modishly retro suits. Each has his name under his picture--Dieter, Kieffer, an Franz. A bed of nails is the only set dressing on the cyc. _____________________________ (end citation) Dieter, Kieffer and Franz are the vilains in this dark, "Fargo"-stile comedy. They are said to be "nihilists" and two of them are played by Peter Stormare and Flea (of the Red Hot Chili Peppers). I will be able to see the movie at an unofficial preview next week. Wondering, how kraftwerkish those vilains look. Christoph Soltmannowski (soltoc@dial.eunet.ch) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk article Date: 17 Jan 1998 11:05:30 +0100 A one-page review of the Kraftwerk-Concert in Linz and a great Kraftwerk-photo from 1978 can be found in the actual austrian music-magazine "Sonic - the ultimative music magazine", 12/97 (Sorry, I don't know if it's available outside austria). But no information about the release date of the new album...:-(. Bye, Georgie -- * * Georg Jajus, Patrizigasse 14/25, A-1210 Wien * * * * Homepage: http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * * * * "Sie ist ein Modell und sie sieht gut aus, * * * * ich nehm' sie heut' gerne mit zu mir nach Haus..." * * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) kraftwerk entiteled software review Date: 17 Jan 1998 14:37:11 +0100 hi, in germany's leading computer magazine "c't" (issue 1/98) there is a = review=20 of a synthesizer simulation for win95. the article is entiteled=20 "Kraft-Werk". the software (VAZ) simultates an old-fashioned analogue synth. it's=20 freeweare. you'll get it at: http://www.software-technology.com i didn't try it yet... we'll see... regards, andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) ZKM cd Date: 17 Jan 1998 07:04:29 +0000 Today I got hold of the ZKM double bootleg CD (Kling Klang product LVCDE799762-2). What can I say? A generally excellent package, except for the fact that it is INCREDIBLY quiet and the only way to get a decent sound out of it it to crank it up really high and play with the EQ's. SO, fantastic artwork, with Kraftwerk style graphics all over the package and generally resembles an offical live album right down to the barcode, "Kling Klang" Product logos, robot graphics on the disc.. but the sound quality is appallingly quiet. Also available is "Lebendige-menschen" Tribal Gathering 97 (radio broadcast) + three live tracks from late 91. I wish I'd bought that instead but money was tight and I had to make a decision so I chose the new stuff.. (Kling Klang product LVCD7997621) Both CD's have a review from the press on the inside sleeve, and ZKM also features this web address - http://www.pro.de and an e-mail address info @ pro.de. I haven't sent anything to these pages or viewed them yet so visit at your risk. Finally, what major differences are there between the 1983 & 1984 7"s of "Tour De France"? (i.e. different mixes). Bye for now, -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Mixmag Date: 18 Jan 1998 12:32:42 +0000 The January issue of Mixmag features a brief review of Kraftwerk's 1997 Tribal Gathering appearance. Small live photo ("Homecomputer"). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: (kw) Da bootleg report - part 1 Date: 19 Jan 1998 00:44:59 -0400 Hello everybody! I just could found the following bootleg: * KRAFTWERK - ROBOTRONIK UBERMENSCH * It's a remix bootleg with an 'strange' 4min27s 'edited version' of Sex Object sung in Spanish. All tracks are good-to-excelent audio quality remixes, except Sex Object, which was surely taken from vinyl (you can hear some 'pops' and 'scratchs' - but it's ok). cover: Huetter's face close-up from his mannequin (?) - dark/yellow back: mixing board + flying notes from Musique non stop video clip + "Die Digitale Diktatur Programmiert: 1. Metropolis - Fritz Lang-Mix - 9.20 2. The Robots - Funktionars-Mix - 12.10 3. The Model - Ko-Remix - 10.28 4. Neonlights - Schadow-Mix - 10.30 5. Spacelab - Seven-up-Mix - 9.29 6. The Man Machine - Vorwarts Marsch!Mix - 10.49 7. Tour de France - Arc de Triumphe-Mix - 7.27 Bonus track: 8. Sex Opbjekt - Spanish edit version - 4.27" total time: 74.38. also it was written (very funny!): Ping Pong Produkt 1997 - Ingenieure: Ralf H=FCtter und Florian Schneider (C)1997 DATA KONTROL - GEMA - AAD STERO - barcode: 9 758696 884749. code on the CD - DD01. backcover: mannequins body with Musique non stop clip heads + notes flying. art on the disc: red faces from the ManMachine original art + text "Die Digitale Diktatur - The Digital Dictatorship" Price paid (here in Brazil): R$ 30 ( aprox. US$ 32) *** Attention ! **** This bootleg has the same remixes as the older bootleg "The Man Machine Recreated" - but with diferent mixe name - the track times are almost the same (max. 1 to 5s difference of silence in/out)! Look: The Man Machine Recreated - older bootleg: 1. The Robots - Space Strings mix - 12.14 2. The Model - German-model mix - 10.30 3. Spacelab - shuttle mix - 9.31 4. Metropolis - lost town mix - 9.25 5. Neonlights - stratosphear mix - 10.32 6. The Man Machine - forward march! mix - 10.55 7. Tour de France - arrivee mix - 7.29 (total time: 70.48) these days is simply impossible to find "The Man Machine Recreated" bootleg here! *** PLEASE **** Could some vinyl fan verify if really exists 'officially' some "edit version" of 4.27 of Sex Object in Spanish?? I personally think that it's not an official edit... If anyone is interested in EXCHANGING bootlegs, please email me privately. I can get 'original' copies of Robotronik Ubermensch, Remix-remodel, Tour de trance, some german language issues, cleopatra older issues, even Elektric Music singles... or I can get CD-R copies + color photocopies of the art inserts of harder-to-find boots... But just for EXCHANGING bootlegs, no money. I'm looking for MANY bootlegs, including older and new ones, specially live material - please e-mail me at >> avellar@softhome.net <<< On the next 'Da bootleg report - part 2' I will describe KRAFTWERK - TOCCATA ELECTRONICA. A big embrace to everybody 'till that! Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Josef Gabler Subject: Re: (kw) Longing for New Album Date: 19 Jan 1998 08:31:57 +0100 On 16.01.98 at 03:43, Eric Knight wrote:=20 =20 >Where Might I be able to find "Mojo" Magazine? I have never heard=20 >of it before.=20 =B0=B0 Maybee you try it this way:=20 =B0=B0 MOJO - The Music Magazine=20 =B0=B0 Mappin House=20 =B0=B0 4 Winsley Street=20 =B0=B0 London W1N 7AR=20 =B0=B0 Tel.: 0171/ 436 15 15 =20 =B0=B0 Fax.: 0171/ 312 82 96=20 =20 =B0=B0 Regards=20 ---josef=20 =20 =20 =20 _________________In _Wien_Sitzen_Wir_Im_Nachtcafe________________ =20 _____________________Direktverbindung_T.E.E._____________________ =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 -=20 - =20 -=20 -=20 - =20 - =20 -=20 - =20 -=20 -=20 - =20 - =20 =20 =20 - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Heil" Subject: (kw) Hello Everyone! Date: 19 Jan 1998 01:17:25 -0700 Hello! I'm a new subscriber to this list and enjoy the Kraftwerk sound, but I also like to discuss things about the music that arn't so noticable. I also like Tangerine Dream, at least some eras of their music.. so... here I am :) Just another neruon on the big network of mother brain Earth. Greg H. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Spanish "edit" of "Sex Object" Date: 19 Jan 1998 10:03:46 +0100 (NFT) > * KRAFTWERK - ROBOTRONIK UBERMENSCH * > It's a remix bootleg with an 'strange' 4min27s 'edited version' of Sex > Object sung in Spanish. > > *** PLEASE **** Could some vinyl fan verify if really exists 'officially' > some "edit version" of 4.27 of Sex Object in Spanish?? I personally think > that it's not an official edit... No, it isn't an official edit, and in fact it isn't even a "real" edit. It's simply the LP version that ends when the CD runs out of playing time. It was apparently mastered from the "Werke" bootleg CD, since it has the same pops etc. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: (kw) New e-mail address Date: 19 Jan 1998 17:10:07 MET-1 Hi, all! In case anybody was wondering where I've been lately, I've had e-mail problems. I can now be reached at: e@mair.com Regards, -- E m a n u e l M a i r _____________________________________ e@mair.com Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Great vacation Date: 17 Jan 1998 23:05:10 -0500 Hi! I'm back, everyone! Cozumel was great, and I'm tan and well-rested. I'm sad to be back in the freezing cold, but everything must come to an end, I guess. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Josef Gabler Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Medley Date: 20 Jan 1998 01:43:33 +0100 Does anyone here know this =B412-inch:=20 =20 BEAT BOX =20 Between The Sheets=20 Late Night Radio Show 8.40=20 =20 Late Night Radio Show (?)/=20 Trans Europe Express/=20 The Model/=20 Autobahn/=20 Chariots Of Fire (!...)/=20 The Robots/=20 Radio Activity=20 =20 It contains the same medley-version on both sides and sounds=20 like a production in the "Stars on 45"-stile.=20 (Was it worth the money I paid for it or is it absolutely ...) ?=20 =20 Thanks=20 --josef=20 =20 =20 =20 ________________In _Wien_Sitzen_Wir_Im_Nachtcafe________________ =20 ____________________Direktverbindung_T.E.E._____________________ =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 - =20 - =20 - =20 - =20 - =20 - =20 - =20 - =20 - =20 - =20 - =20 - =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER STUDENT" Subject: (kw) US pressings Date: 20 Jan 1998 12:02:58 +0000 To the list member asking for the rarity and value of some US Kraftwerk pressings: your promo 12" should be 'Numbers' (PRO-A-973) and is the second of two 1981 promotional 12" singles on Warner Bros. It is scarcer than 'Pocket Calculator' and the square arrangement of the four heads is unique. Otherwise, Numbers was commercially released on 7" only. Value in Europe would be UKP 20 or DM 60,- The US pressing of 'Ralf and Florian' is the most common of all pressings. (VEL-2008) It is a bit tricky to find a copy without a clipped cover corner. Value around UKP 20/DM 60,- Same applies to the US pressing of Autobahn on Vertigo - it was a hit, so it's quite common. Maybe UKP 12/DM 35,- Hope I could help. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.T." Subject: (kw) ZKM MP3 - Ready to post song #2 Date: 20 Jan 1998 06:26:30 -0800 [connect] Hello friends! Last week I posted an MP3 of ZKM song #1 to the Kraftwerk Active-K page. In a day or two I'll be changing this to song #2. So if you haven't downloaded the first song yet, get it today. I'll post a message when song #2 is ready to go! [disconnect] ;) -John 'efofex' Talbert ______________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "Continuing the tradition of the underground resonance" -f(x) featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' (debut CD now available!) http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Niels242 Subject: (kw) Man-Machine Recreated Date: 20 Jan 1998 09:11:43 EST Hi, I'm new on the mailing list, so first a big hello to everybody around. (and sorry if I use the service not correctly) I think that someone was looking for the Man-Machine Recreated CD?! Well, I have it and I am willing to sell (or exchange) it. By the way: German music magazine "BODYSTYLER" will start a Kraftwerk retrospective in issue 02/98 (No #22) which will be out 25th February...have a look at http://www.eclipse.de/bodystyler ...Europa endlos...Niels (Niels242@aol.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: (kw) Greetings and questions... Date: 20 Jan 1998 12:03:54 EST First of all I want to say hello and greetings to everyone else in this group...fellow Kraftwerk lovers! I'm coming to you from Warren, Michigan, USA (about 6km north of Detroit) Anyway, here are a few questions: 1) A while back in a used record store, I found (and grabbed) a CD called Kraftwerk 2 ($7 US - I considered it a bargain). It is number 941002 on the Germanofon label. All the liner notes, etc are in German. I really don't want to sell it, I particularly like the song Klingklang. But I would love to know exactly how common or rare this disk is...was it a US release (I don't think so). 2) I have heard of the disk "Ralf & Florian"...I believe I would like to get my hands on a copy, but my attempts to find one around here have been nil. Anybody know where I may be able to get one, or even a cassette copy of it - that would do, lacking the record itself. Thank you in advance for any and all help! Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com http://www.ameritech.net/users/huggy_bear/bearsville.html Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Lee Subject: Re: (kw) Greetings and questions... Date: 20 Jan 1998 17:36:16 +0000 Bill Dobiesz wrote: > 1) A while back in a used record store, I found (and grabbed) a CD > called Kraftwerk 2 ($7 US - I considered it a bargain). It is number > 941002 on the Germanofon label. All the liner notes, etc are in German. > I really don't want to sell it, I particularly like the song Klingklang. > But I would love to know exactly how common or rare this disk is...was it > a US release (I don't think so). > > 2) I have heard of the disk "Ralf & Florian"...I believe I would like to > get my hands on a copy, but my attempts to find one around here have been > nil. Anybody know where I may be able to get one, or even a cassette > copy of it - that would do, lacking the record itself. I don't know about anywhere else in the world but here in the UK the albums KW, KW2 and R&F are available on CD at just about any half-decent record shop. Cheers, Chris Lee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) what is this? Date: 20 Jan 1998 13:15:30 EST 3777-KRAFTWERK VIRTU EX MACHINA CD (UK) 02/06/98 [$22.49] $19.95 Recorded for Tokyo radio in 1991. 3778-KRAFTWERK ROBOTRONIK UBERMENSCH CD (UK) 02/06/98 [$22.49] $19.95 Reworking of Menschmascine, Tour De France and also includes the incredibly rare Spanish Edit version of Sex Objekt. 3779-KRAFTWERK TOCCATA ELECTRONICA CD (UK) 02/06/98 [$22.49] $19.95 Mixes and alternate tracks. 3780-KRAFTWERK SCHONE NEUE WELT REMIX REMOD CD (UK) 02/06/98 [$22.49] $19.95 Mixes. besides the obvious, anyone have any background on these? thanks alot, tom w np: further mutations (lo recordings vol.4) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) "Better Living Through Circuitry" Video Date: 20 Jan 1998 19:34:48 +0100 (NFT) Cleopatra have issued a press info for their forthcoming "Better Living Through Circuitry" video documentation, which is expected to feature an interview with Wolfgang Fluer: http://www.hallucinet.com/cleopatra/ravefilm.html Wolfgang Fluer is not mentioned in the press info, though. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) New Michael Rother release? Date: 20 Jan 1998 19:56:01 +0100 (NFT) Excerpt from the Cleopatra release schedule (http://www.hallucinet.com/cleopatra/new.html): FEBRUARY 1998 2/3/98 * 0184 * MICHEAL ROTHER * Chonicals 1 * $15.98 * Purp Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J Talbert Subject: Re: (kw) Greetings and questions... Date: 20 Jan 1998 15:22:22 -0500 Bill Dobiesz wrote: > First of all I want to say hello and greetings to everyone else in this > group...fellow Kraftwerk lovers! I'm coming to you from Warren, > Michigan, USA (about 6km north of Detroit) > > Anyway, here are a few questions: > > 1) A while back in a used record store, I found (and grabbed) a CD > called Kraftwerk 2 ($7 US - I considered it a bargain). It is number > 941002 on the Germanofon label. All the liner notes, etc are in German. > I really don't want to sell it, I particularly like the song Klingklang. > But I would love to know exactly how common or rare this disk is...was it > a US release (I don't think so). > > 2) I have heard of the disk "Ralf & Florian"...I believe I would like to > get my hands on a copy, but my attempts to find one around here have been > nil. Anybody know where I may be able to get one, or even a cassette > copy of it - that would do, lacking the record itself. Wow! All of the Kraftwerk lovers in the metro Detroit area are really showing up here lately! :) Perhaps there really is a Kraftwerk concert in this area coming up soon! All the signs are there... ;) Lately so far I have seen the Ralf & Florian CD only at Record Time (Gratiot north of I-696) but it may well be available elsewhere. All of those releases on the Germanofon label are actually pirated copies from the LP versions (if you listen closely, you can hear the crackles from the source vinyl) and have actually appeared in stores such as Harmony House, etc. I have also seen these Germanofon releases for sale in some record collector catalogs for as much as $35.00 (including the elusive Tone Float CD), so $7.00 was a great deal. I've seen a couple of reasonably priced copies of the Ralf Und Florian LP at one of the monthly record fairs. Anyway I've got the "R & F" CD so if you want a cassette copy, just send your snail mail address to: mailto:jtalbert@ameritech.net Take care. -John ______________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "Continuing the tradition of the underground resonance" Featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' (Debut "PROOF" now available!) Kraftwerk MIDI files http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: (kw) Da bootleg report - part II - Tocatta Electronica Date: 20 Jan 1998 18:52:59 -0400 Hello everybody!! Many thanks for the kind feedback I received from many list users for report part I !! :) Here I am with another Da bootleg report (now part II)... featuring: KRAFTWERK - TOCCATA ELECTRONICA bootleg that includes many tracks from mixed sources (other boots mainly) audio quality varies from track to track, but generally good. here are the details... Black front cover, with a girl's face closeup with some water? drops - yellowish back cover: "UNSER KUNDENDIENST EMPFIEHLT IHNEN: ERLESENE PROGRAMME AUS ZWEI DEKADEN" (sorry, no german translation...) 1. COMPUTER WORLD (ROBOTRON-MIX) 5.40 2. TOUR DE FRANCE (ORIG. 1983 KEVORKIAN EXT. 12" REMIX) 6.40 3. TECHNO POP (1983 VERSION) 4.37 4. METROPOLIS (MACHINE-VERSION) LIVE UTRECHT 10.12.81 5.35 5. THE MODEL (CATBONIC-MIX) 5.17 6. NEON LIGHTS (TON-UP-MIX) 5.23 7. POCKET CALCULATOR (EAST-WEST-MIX) 5.20 (??????) 8. ZEHN KLEINE NEGERLEIN 4.46 (???????) 9. RADIOACTIVITY (1991 KEVORKIAN 12" REMIX) 7.26 10. (DEMO) DIE ROBOTER (SPECIAL REMIX) 3.45 11. LES MANNEQUINS (ORIG. 1978 EXT. FRENCH REMIX) 6.04 12. DENTAKU (ORIG. 1981 EXT.-REMIX) 5.00 13. TOUR DE FRANCE (ORIG. 1983 GERMAN KLING KLANG VERSION) 6.45 14. STRATOVARIUS (LIVE BREMEN 21.7.71) 5.38 TAKEN FROM A JAPAN-ONLY-CD TOTAL TIME: 78" (!!!!) including the fake bar code: 4 007871 074501 - GEMA AAD STERO The back side cover includes small 4-member logo and the view of what I would define as 'something like a church' ?? Sorry, I did not watched all of my Story of Art classes... By the way, everything is black on yellow, letters on gray. The CD art is also good, featuring a close up of what looks like a panel of an analog synth, written: KRAFTWERK - KUNDENDIENST - GEMA/BIEM 1995. The numer on the back of the CD (those numbers used from the pressing plants) were sketched out (not discretly)... for safe? Even it has no name - like germanofon, klon, pingpong,... nothing at all. price paid (here in Brazil): US$ 25 (cheap value for bootlegs here...) it's now very hard (almost to impossible) to find this (here again)... notes: ***** Track 8 is very strange, it really don't sound KRAFTWERK... It has some sounds that appear to come from an old ROLAND MT-32, but also includes some kraftwerk samples... Anyone has info on this??? A friend of mine translated it as ' 10 little black boys'... is it right??!?!?!!? ***** Mr. Zaepke?!?! Surely this CD contains material from older bootlegs, but track 7 (3rd part remix) I did not heard before on any other bootleg... it's not wonderful, just different... One funny story about this is that some months after I bought it, specially because of track 12 (which on this CD was surely taken from vinyl or from the older 'WERKE' bootleg), I could get the japanese COMPUTER WORLD, that has the same track as a bonus, but not from vinyl - so, cristal clear quality!!! But that's ok... Track 14 was not taken from a JAPAN only CD as saind, but from LIVE IN BREMEN CD (21/06/1971) STARQUAKE SQ-06, surely not japanese... track 10 'appears' (I think) to be the same cut used for the videoclip... By for now... For the next 'Da bootleg report' - part III... it will be... "KRAFTWERK - TRIBAL GATHERING - LUTON 24/05/97 [DANCING HORSE DH010]" Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Melzer" Subject: Re: (kw) Da bootleg report - part 1 Date: 19 Jan 1998 22:24:52 +0100 Is the version Eduardo is referring to an edit of the version found on Eletric Cafe Edicion Espanola (6:51)? Michael Melzer (who was lucky enough to find this record in Roma, grazie Luca!) e-mail: michael.melzer@vienna.at ¿ Hay una discoteca por aquí ? -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR An: Kraftwerk list Datum: Montag, 19. Jänner 1998 3:43 Betreff: (kw) Da bootleg report - part 1 >I just could found the following bootleg: > >* KRAFTWERK - ROBOTRONIK UBERMENSCH * > >It's a remix bootleg with an 'strange' 4min27s 'edited version' of Sex >Object sung in Spanish. >All tracks are good-to-excelent audio quality remixes, except Sex Object, >which was surely taken from vinyl (you can hear some 'pops' and 'scratchs' >- but it's ok). >Bonus track: >8. Sex Opbjekt - Spanish edit version - 4.27" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Spanish Fans please help.... Date: 20 Jan 1998 14:04:03 -0800 I saw a message from: Ricardo Beccarini on Newsgroups: alt.music.techno > Hello friend > I don't speek inglish. > I keep the CD of KRAFTWERK. > Please contact to me : richi@sudnet.com.ar > > My name is Ricardo Beccarini from Argentina I believe he means he collects KRAFTWERK CDs. I wrote and gave him Fermin Goiriz's and Jose Garcia's -(AKTIVITAET en Espan`ol)- Email Addresses. -(Please forgive me, I hope you guys don't mind. I just want to help a Fellow Fan in need....)- I am seeking other Spanish-Speaking Fans on the List to write to Ricardo and assist him with KW info. I wish I could speak Spanish- and EVery major language- so I could communicate fluently with EVeryone! It just goes to show that KW is truly Universally appealing! Also, I want to greet and Welcome Niels242, Bill Dobiesz, Greg Heil, Eric Knight, and all other new List Members! I hope the Links on my Page will help y'all get around the Net. Take care! =OHM SWEET OHM= ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ -(HomePage)- ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) Greetings and questions... Date: 20 Jan 1998 17:16:43 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Bill Dobiesz wrote: > First of all I want to say hello and greetings to everyone else in this > group...fellow Kraftwerk lovers! I'm coming to you from Warren, > Michigan, USA (about 6km north of Detroit) Hey there...I'm writing from Ann Arbor (about 30km south, I believe). > Anyway, here are a few questions: > > 1) A while back in a used record store, I found (and grabbed) a CD > called Kraftwerk 2 ($7 US - I considered it a bargain). It is number > 941002 on the Germanofon label. All the liner notes, etc are in German. > I really don't want to sell it, I particularly like the song Klingklang. > But I would love to know exactly how common or rare this disk is...was it > a US release (I don't think so). This is a pretty rare find, and the price is exceptionally low. I've seen the Germanofon "bootlegs" (they are not authorized by Kraftwerk themselves) at a few of the more esoteric music stores here and in New York, and they're usually priced somewhere between $20-30. However, I don't think they're all that hard to get, as I have friends who have gotten all of the early albums through AB-CD online. For your information, "Kraftwerk 2" was the third album Our Heroes produced, still several years before "Autobahn." There were four albums pre-Autobahn: "Tone Float" (from when the band was still called Organisation), "Kraftwerk" (naturally), "Kraftwerk 2" and "Ralf and Florian." None of these have been released on CD officially, it is widely believed because Kraftwerk considers them to be too radically different from the style that made them famous. Fortunately for we completists, Germanofon have produced good-quality unauthorized copies of these albums. With the exception of "Tone Float" I find all of the early albums just as fascinating and enjoyable as their later work. In fact, some of my electronica-despising friends love "KW1&2" while they can't stand the later stuff. > 2) I have heard of the disk "Ralf & Florian"...I believe I would like to > get my hands on a copy, but my attempts to find one around here have been > nil. Anybody know where I may be able to get one, or even a cassette > copy of it - that would do, lacking the record itself. As I said, try AB-CD (www.ab-cd.com). A friend of mine acquired ALL of the Germanofon discs through them. I don't think you'll find them for $7, however! John Morgan "'One can't always be high.' Oh no? One The University of Michigan only has to properly orient oneself." jbmorgan@umich.edu --Walter Benjamin http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Greetings and questions... Date: 20 Jan 1998 15:24:28 -0800 Bill Dobiesz writes: > 1) A while back in a used record store, I found (and grabbed) a CD > called Kraftwerk 2 ($7 US - I considered it a bargain). *WOW* That's a GOOD deal! I've found a few KW gems and other SYNTH artists real cheap, too. -(Used record bins, yard sales, thrift stores, etc....)- Keep your scanners on! :] ROBOSMILEY Oh- I saw a mention somewhere on one of the alt.music.synthpop or techno news groups about KRAFTWERK and Depeche Mode appearing in England somewhere on Feb 28th- is this for REAL?? I thought this "Festival" thing was schedualed in the Fall. Hm-m-m.... 'Still awaiting the *NEW* Album....*sigh*.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.T." Subject: (kw) Server problems Date: 20 Jan 1998 19:35:54 -0800 >>> I have tried many times to download your KW zip file. Unfortunately the "fortunecity" server is not responding and therefore we have been unable to download the file. Can you leave this file on a little while longer until we can enjoy what you've done Thanks Larry R. LaCost Jr. <<< Sure. No problem! ;-) If anyone else is/was having problems downloading this file from the Active-K page at resonance underground, I apologize. Not much I can actually do though, since the fortunecity server is free. (I thought they had all these performance/reliability problems ironed out.) Either way, I'll go ahead and keep up the .ZIP file of ZKM new song #1 until next week to give everyone a chance to get it. Anyone who doesn't have it by Sunday night who still wants it should simply send me and email so that I can try and accomodate you. [Editorial mode=ON] Here's a troubling thought: Why should we Kraftwerk fans be forced to scavenge and hunt for their music? Crawling from web site to record show to bootleg vendor just to get a fix on their newest werk? Fans of other groups still do it the old fashioned way - they walk into a record store and BUY the music! Why are we punished so??? What have we done to deserve this?? [Editorial mode=OFF] OK, enough joking about a serious matter... ;) Take care everyone. -John 'efofex' Talbert ______________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "Continuing the tradition of the underground resonance" -f(x) featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' [Debut CD now available!] http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: llacost@juno.com (Larry R LaCost Jr.) Subject: (kw) A Numan Original Date: 20 Jan 1998 17:12:45 -0800 >From Cleopatra's site at: http://www.hallucinet.com/cleopatra/update/numanbio2.html >>Numan's latest, Exile, is a return to the electronic chill of his earlier work, and is already receiving praise in the British press, who are calling it his best work to date. 1998 will prove to be the busiest year yet for Numan. In addition to the release of Exile, he is set to release a remix album entitled The Mix.>> The Mix? How original... Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) A Numan Original Date: 21 Jan 1998 09:10:40 -0000 >> Sorry, have to disagree here. I too am a long time Numan fan (from the >> Valerian days), it is true that the new Exile LP is dark, but that is >> because it is almost supernatural in it's theme, the devil and god being the >> same! I do not find the material to be anywhere near his best or his older >> electronic style. In fact IMHO I think Gary needs to be more creative if >> anything, the same guitar riffs and repetitive drum patterns on the Exile >> album are almost comical in how juvenile they are. I can produce better >> sounding rhythms from the drum machine on my mixer at home!! >> >> I think that ever since Gary has stopped using real musicians like Cedric >> Sharpley on drums, his music has suffered. I mean Gary used to obviously >> have great ideas and good musicians on his tracks, but now,.......well, I >> think he is probably ridding the crest of a small wave which has arisen >> purely from other artists in the industry finally giving him the respect he >> deserves for the influence he has had on the modern music scene. >> >> In conclusion, all good things come to an end, Gary is still a great >> performer live but as regards new music, I think it's either time to give up >> or seriously think about what he is doing. >> >> Craig. >> >> PS. I will still be at the Numan convention, which ideally for me is in my >> home town!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) A Numan Original Date: 21 Jan 1998 09:35:44 -0000 >>From Cleopatra's site at: >http://www.hallucinet.com/cleopatra/update/numanbio2.html > >>>Numan's latest, Exile, is a return to the electronic chill of his >earlier work, and is already receiving praise in the British press, who >are calling it his best work to date. 1998 will prove to be the busiest >year yet for Numan. In addition to the release of Exile, he is set to >release a remix album entitled The Mix.>> > >The Mix? How original... > er, I think you'll find that the naming policy on that album is down to cleopatra. If my indications are correct, that release will be identical to the UK release 'Random 1' Anyways, do Kraftwerk have a copyright on the phrase 'the mix' and more importantly (sic) were they the first to use it? Julsey # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk IRC Channel on DALnet Date: 21 Jan 1998 12:58:29 -0000 well, It's about that time where we welcome all the new members to this list and hope they've found what they are looking for on this thing we call the Internet. For all you folks who don't know about it, we have an IRC (Internet Relay Chat) channel specifically for Kraftwerk fans on the DALnet network. We have a regular bunch of about 15-20 people who come in from time to time to chat about almost anything, and sometimes, just sometimes, we talk about Kraftwerk ;-) We've met up with some interesting folks from all over the world, and shared numerous facts. figures and gossip about Kraftwerk and other synth bands. The channel is Run by our own Scott Barnhill, and I co-operate it when he is not online, and everybody is welcome. For more info, please see the link below, or email either myself or Scott (nebulous@erols.com) who will be happy to give advice. Get interactive! ciao, --------- Jules Seifert #kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Sossi" Subject: (kw) HELP! Date: 21 Jan 1998 14:29:09 +1100 Hello Kraftwerk fans! I am a fan from Australia, and I am finding it very difficult to obtain various Kraftwerk items such as 12" and bootlegs. I have all the released albums, 2x12", and one double bootleg and that's it. Any Kraftwerk item I come across I don't have, I buy but that's very rare down under to come across Kraftwerk items. I get jealous when you talk about various Kraftwerk tracks and I don't have them, it's so frustrating! I have never seen a Kraftwerk video clip or any live footage! I seem to be the only Kraftwerk fan in Australia, I'm sure there are many but I've never come across one yet here. My question to you Kraftwerk fans out there is a cry for help, can anyone copy onto minidisc any Kraftwerk items I don't have? Also any Kraftwerk on video? I would supply all minidisc and video tapes and would be happy to pay a fee for your services. If no one has minidisc I could live with cassettes. Sorry to bother you all with my problems! Regards Chris jmjarre@dynamite.com.au ................................................... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) HELP! Date: 21 Jan 1998 18:28:00 +0100 Chris Sossi wrote: > > that's very rare down under to come > across Kraftwerk items. I get jealous when you talk about various Kraftwerk > tracks and I don't have them, it's so frustrating! I have never seen a > Kraftwerk video clip or any live footage! I seem to be the only Kraftwerk > fan in Australia, I'm sure there are many but I've never come across one > yet here. Are you the last survivor of some aborigene tribe wandering across the bush in search for tracks of the Great Ancestors ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Old Vibrations - part ???? Date: 21 Jan 1998 21:26:22 +0100 As I didn't have anything to do but watch my computer compute non-stop some 3D stuff for the last 72 hours (why am I always getting lost in such irrelevant details ?) I browsed some old magazines and found an interview of Ralf from the MIX tour which I had forgotten (the interview). So I decided to translate it and post it. This interview by Jay Remi was named "Pioneers" and was published in french mag BEST #280 Nov. 91. Nothing really new : only some corporate Kling-Klang blah-blah, along with the usual America bashing. ---------------- Our last album "The MIX" is in some ways a live album since we've been reprograming all those songs for the last 5 years for the present tour. We have re-sampled all our sounds because the originals were unusable (the tapes were too old). And since the studio is our musical instrument, we had to get it ready to take it on the road. This spontaneous vision that we had has become a common approach these days, but it's really the announcement of a new starting point in the music field. But it is true that for many years very few people (and especially NOT our record company) believed in us, except for a small special audience. It's only in 1975 that hits began to arrive with "Autobahn". The idea of this show is to offer a show half-movie, half-discotheque. The "Gesamtkunstwerk" : a piece of art 100% multimedia. Everyone understands that now, but in the past we got lots of critics from the Americans. In that country where rock n'roll monopolizes everything, culture is reactionary and uniform. Henceforth the perspectives for the future can be seen mostly in Europe. The "Trans Europe Express" is an idea that we got quite a while back. Of course, we feel very German, but only in the european meaning of the word. Lyrism, the idea of the music from our country (classical music) has influenced us, but without forcing us to admire any specific hero (except perhaps for Beethoven for we come from the same area). Nationalities are getting lost, it's not important, but every country has the duty to develop its own personnality. As I said to another magazine : country music is a form of art which comes straight from daily life in Texas. It has nothing to do with daily life in Dusseldorf. Just like chinese or australian music, we have always considered our music as a form of ethnic music. We have a huge collection of analog synths. Not so long ago we couldn't even find anyone to buy them, so we stacked them in the cellar. But a couple of years ago, we started to bring them back to the studio. I remember very well buying my first mini-moog and the price was similar to a Volkswagen. It was very expensive ! It's the same with samplers, now they're very affordable. At the moment people are moving from those albums of musical "collages" (sampling) to what I call "the second phase" that goes deeper into experimentation. That's what we're working at these days. We're members of this post-war generation that tried to build something else and to give a rebirth to German culture. We tried to remain artistic and popular at the same time. We were afraid to think too much and drift away from the people. Because the most important is to communicate, to keep moving, with trains, cars, computers. It's not good to stay static. That's why we work everyday in our Kling-Kland studio. We start generally around 3 pm for convenience reasons with the technicians, and we don't stop until 5 am. And then sometimes we end up the night in Frankfurt (90 minutes away with the highway) in that techno club in order to relax a little bit. We have always been nighclubbing because in Germany very few bands play live, records have always been more important. In the 70's, it was disco and black music, but we have always been listening to everything, really. We have always been fascinated by Dance, this way of life, "express yourself", everybody's own style, it's wonderful. Of course, it's getting harder and harder to write songs. Sound has become the substitute for them. And even if our compositions still feature some melody, it's only tiny bits that we conjugate, repeat and turn away. The image that we present to the listener is multiple, and has various meanings according to his own personality. While the classic pop/rock is very literary, with huge lyrics. But why do we still need lyrics ? There's nothing to say. And by the way, everything has been said already, no ? Of course, we have often thought of producing other people but never got the time or the necessary energy. We must know how to keep working on our thing and to keep in progress. Some musicians have enjoyed what we did and have used it for their own evolution, that's good. It forces us to keep in progress and to keep marching on. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: philip manger Subject: (kw) puss n' boots Date: 21 Jan 1998 15:32:08 -0500 Hi all. I'm new on the list, but I've been listening to KW since I fell in love with Tour De France back 14 or so short years ago. Anyway, I have a favor to ask. I'm always looking to buy bootlegs (either dj type remixes or live shows) on vinyl or CD of KW. If anyone has any for sale or knows of a good source for them, please email me privately at Thanks very much in advance. -philip # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) For fans of Pierre Henry only ! Date: 21 Jan 1998 22:23:21 +0100 Since some of you have expressed interest in the pics of P. Henry, I thought you might be interested in the following as well. yesterday at the local book shop I came across JADE, a french mag about "comics, noises and b-movies" (sic). The last issue features an interview of P. Henry. The journalist plays different dance/electronic stuff and asks for Henry's opinion. And guess what : guess which stuff he's mostly trashing (or at least saying "I don't like that very much") ? Aphex Twin, Chemical Brothers, Daft Punk and DJ Shadow. Of course, he elaborates a little bit. And it's not the opinion of some bitter old guy. Roughly he says that repetition per se is not = interesting, because it's only the machines limitations. One cannot claim artistic expression when it's only technology limits. There must be some creative approach on top of it. A few sentences at random : "I find this simplistic (...) these musics, it's a product whose mould is well defined, it's specific. It works because it's extremly simple, and it works on simple individuals (...) I would say that I make dance music during which one is not supposed to dance. (...) Here is a phenomenon which is not new, but which is actually the quintessence of music : it starts with a cyclic cell, then a second one, then a third one... And the whole thing leads to a repetitive element that I find monotone.(...) It's the kind of thing that I have always tried to avoid, except when I was making soundtracks for advertising movies for the money". Which stuff does he likes (or at least finds interesting) in what the journalist played ? Tortoise, Pascal Comelade, the Residents. Please note that the above doesn't implies that I admire and/or praise P.H. I think he committed a fair amount of boring "pling-plong- zeep" concrete stuff in the 60s & 70s. A funny thing is that a few months back I found a copy of another mag (GET TRANSPORTED) and P.H. was on the cover and qualified as "the oldest DJ alive". Can you imagine worst crap ? And inside, a few DJs (Dimitri, Matt Black of Cold Cut) were praising him, saying what an influence he had been on their work. But none seemed to be able to name any of his works, apart from the well-known (and tired) Messe Pour le Temps Pr=E9sent composed in 68 with M. Colombier. Actually, the whole debate is not really new. I remember that in the early 70s, after the release of Ceremony (Henry's collaboration with pop/rock band Spooky Tooth), he used to tell the press that he didn't give a shit about pop/rock. The only thing in which he was interested was the raw & powerfull grain of sound of electrically amplified instruments ! Another funny thing is that among the picts from 1970, there's one of = P.H. at home in a room with the walls covered with hundreds of tapes, and in the article he explains how he stores and indexes all the sounds he creates for using in future compositions, using a system of index cards on paper. And in the recent JADE issue, there's a new picture of him at home, and the wall behind him is covered with the same tapes, and in the = corner you can see the same index cards in their little box ! jeez ! I love that ! Thanx for your attention. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) conflicting data Date: 21 Jan 1998 16:40:36 -0500 ...okay, i'm officially confused. kraftwerk "1" and 2 are available all over england in any record shop (on cd)? the same is true of ralf and florian? are these the discussed "bootlegs"? or actual authorized cds? either way, i'm interested, (since, heck, there's no other way for me to hear them!), but, i'm curious, just for my own info. if there are official versions, i'd prefer them. comments? fred # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Pitt Subject: RE: (kw) conflicting data Date: 21 Jan 1998 22:13:00 -0000 >>>From: Fred_Harding@idx.com >>>...okay, i'm officially confused. kraftwerk "1" and 2 are available all >>>over england in any record shop (on cd)? the same is true of ralf and >>>florian? And Organisation's Tonefloat is readily available at such outlets as Virgin Megastores. >>>are these the discussed "bootlegs"? or actual authorized cds? They are bootlegs. >>>either way, i'm interested, (since, heck, there's no other way for me to >>>hear them!),but, i'm curious, just for my own info. if there are official >>>versions, i'd prefer them. comments? In terms of sound quality they are pretty good considering that they are sourced from vinyl and the packaging is professional too. Given the choice go for the Germanofon labelled cd's for good sound rather than the other versions (although some contain bonus tracks). Mike. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Lee Subject: Re: (kw) conflicting data Date: 21 Jan 1998 22:20:19 +0000 Fred_Harding@idx.com wrote: > ...okay, i'm officially confused. kraftwerk "1" and 2 are available all > over england in any record shop (on cd)? the same is true of ralf and > florian? > are these the discussed "bootlegs"? or actual authorized cds? either way, > i'm interested, (since, heck, there's no other way for me to hear them!), > but, i'm curious, just for my own info. if there are official versions, i'd > prefer them. comments? These CDs are the Germanofon bootlegs discussed previously in this group. They are actually recorded from the original, official vinyl recordings that I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) were only released in Germany and have not been available for some time. I didn't realise that us UK Kraftwerk fans were so lucky, I guess I just take Nottingham's excellent record shops for granted! Cheers, Chris Lee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) conflicting data Date: 21 Jan 1998 23:35:05 +0100 Chris Lee wrote: > > I didn't realise that us UK Kraftwerk fans were so > lucky, I guess I just take Nottingham's excellent record shops for granted! > Well, no more than other fans I guess, since I've seen these CDs in several french shops, as well as some CD mailorder WEB sites such as CDNOW, and even at Towers records in Bangkok. BTW, for our broke fellow list members, early KW items (up to EC) were on sale (around 10 $) at CDNOW a couple of weeks ago. And not Cleopatra stuff, but Elektra edition for CW and Warner for EC. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: (kw) some remarks and answers Date: 22 Jan 1998 01:30:17 -0800 hi, after a couple of lazy and busy weeks i'm back on the list with some comments to to recently asked questions: > The following two old multi-artist 2-LP compilations are said to > feature Kraftwerk tracks: > - - "Hit Jumbo" > - - "Dance Max Vol. 6" > Are there any more details about Kraftwerk's contributions known > (track titles, edits/versions etc.)? DoLP EMI Elektrola 186-7982001 DoCD EMI Elektrola 686-7982002 DoMC EMI Elektrola 286-7982004 kraftwerk-title: radioactivity (francois kevorkian remix) 7:26 > I have learned that a Kraftwerk-bootleg called "ZKM" is out, recorded from > the Mediale 5-festival in Karlsruhe October 18th. 1997. Can anyone say something > about the quality of the recording, and where it may be purchased? quality is excellent, you can find it on german record-fairs for approx. 55,-DM (30$, 20 GBP) > I have recently purchased a 12" copy of The Robots. > (Not Unusual) This is an advance promotion copy marked "not for sale" > The number on the record is 12EMDJ 192. Can anyone tell me how rare this > is, it has a blank B side. it's pretty easy to find that record in great britain, i've seen it in london (sister ray?) for 10 GBP, i've bought it from a british mail order service for 8 GBP but it's not that easy to find it in germany. btw, there is a one-sided promo of '91-version of radioactivity as well, 12 EMDJ 201 > Last weekend I picked up a couple of unusual Kraftwerk LPs, and I was > wondering if somebody on the list knew how rare they were. > > The first is a promotional version of COMPUTER WORLD, featuring just > "Numbers" and "Computer World" on the first side, and "Computer Love" on > the second. The album cover features the (poorly-drawn) faces of the > Fantastic Four on both sides, with KRAFTWERK in English on one side and in > Japanese on the other. do you have more info on that (catalogue number, track time etc.)? is it the warner promo SPRO 973? > Does anyone here know this 12-inch: > BEAT BOX > Between The Sheets > Late Night Radio Show 8.40 > > Late Night Radio Show (?)/Trans Europe Express/The Model/Autobahn/Chariots Of Fire > (!...)/The Robots/Radio Activity > > It contains the same medley-version on both sides and sounds like a production in > the "Stars on 45"-stile. > (Was it worth the money I paid for it or is it absolutely ...) ? wow, there is a second one! i've bought my copy in the early 80's for a few bucks (don't know how much you've paid), but i've never seen it again. number for collectors: bootlegs 281154/d cover: back picture sleeve of the radioactivity-lp in yellow + the four red shirts/black ties from the man machine-cover (no faces, only the shirts) my copy has an additional sticker "produced by mauro micheloni", the time of the track on both sides is 7:50 regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: (kw) Da bootleg report - part 1 Date: 19 Jan 1998 00:44:59 -0400 Hello everybody! I just could found the following bootleg: * KRAFTWERK - ROBOTRONIK UBERMENSCH * It's a remix bootleg with an 'strange' 4min27s 'edited version' of Sex Object sung in Spanish. All tracks are good-to-excelent audio quality remixes, except Sex Object, which was surely taken from vinyl (you can hear some 'pops' and 'scratchs' - but it's ok). cover: Huetter's face close-up from his mannequin (?) - dark/yellow back: mixing board + flying notes from Musique non stop video clip + "Die Digitale Diktatur Programmiert: 1. Metropolis - Fritz Lang-Mix - 9.20 2. The Robots - Funktionars-Mix - 12.10 3. The Model - Ko-Remix - 10.28 4. Neonlights - Schadow-Mix - 10.30 5. Spacelab - Seven-up-Mix - 9.29 6. The Man Machine - Vorwarts Marsch!Mix - 10.49 7. Tour de France - Arc de Triumphe-Mix - 7.27 Bonus track: 8. Sex Opbjekt - Spanish edit version - 4.27" total time: 74.38. also it was written (very funny!): Ping Pong Produkt 1997 - Ingenieure: Ralf H=FCtter und Florian Schneider (C)1997 DATA KONTROL - GEMA - AAD STERO - barcode: 9 758696 884749. code on the CD - DD01. backcover: mannequins body with Musique non stop clip heads + notes flying. art on the disc: red faces from the ManMachine original art + text "Die Digitale Diktatur - The Digital Dictatorship" Price paid (here in Brazil): R$ 30 ( aprox. US$ 32) *** Attention ! **** This bootleg has the same remixes as the older bootleg "The Man Machine Recreated" - but with diferent mixe name - the track times are almost the same (max. 1 to 5s difference of silence in/out)! Look: The Man Machine Recreated - older bootleg: 1. The Robots - Space Strings mix - 12.14 2. The Model - German-model mix - 10.30 3. Spacelab - shuttle mix - 9.31 4. Metropolis - lost town mix - 9.25 5. Neonlights - stratosphear mix - 10.32 6. The Man Machine - forward march! mix - 10.55 7. Tour de France - arrivee mix - 7.29 (total time: 70.48) these days is simply impossible to find "The Man Machine Recreated" bootleg here! *** PLEASE **** Could some vinyl fan verify if really exists 'officially' some "edit version" of 4.27 of Sex Object in Spanish?? I personally think that it's not an official edit... If anyone is interested in EXCHANGING bootlegs, please email me privately. I can get 'original' copies of Robotronik Ubermensch, Remix-remodel, Tour de trance, some german language issues, cleopatra older issues, even Elektric Music singles... or I can get CD-R copies + color photocopies of the art inserts of harder-to-find boots... But just for EXCHANGING bootlegs, no money. I'm looking for MANY bootlegs, including older and new ones, specially live material - please e-mail me at >> avellar@softhome.net <<< On the next 'Da bootleg report - part 2' I will describe KRAFTWERK - TOCCATA ELECTRONICA. A big embrace to everybody 'till that! Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Media Center Update (Videos) Date: 21 Jan 1998 20:24:36 PST The Kraftwerk Media Center has been updated! In this update the Kraftwerk VR images have been animated. Available in QuickTime and RealVideo, this is a 3 minute 3D animated movie, never before seen! You can still get all these videos in RealVideo format: (they have been re-encoded) Taschenrechner Live, Homecomputer Live, Tomorrows World Robot Clip, Trans Europa Express, The Robots 1978, The Robots 1991, Musique Non Stop, Numbers Live, The Model, Radioactivity, Das Model and Autobahn. If you don’t have the URL: http://www.dragonfire.net/~petenet/kraftwerk Stay tuned for an announcement about a move to a faster server! Peter Liethen pliethen@globaldialog.com http://www.dragonfire.net/~petenet ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Heil" Subject: (kw) Hello Everyone! Date: 19 Jan 1998 01:17:25 -0700 Hello! I'm a new subscriber to this list and enjoy the Kraftwerk sound, but I also like to discuss things about the music that arn't so noticable. I also like Tangerine Dream, at least some eras of their music.. so... here I am :) Just another neruon on the big network of mother brain Earth. Greg H. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tandi Gabor Subject: (kw) hello Date: 22 Jan 1998 14:02:24 Hello Everyone! First of all, sorry for my poor English. I'm quite new on this list. I've been a Hungarian KW fan since the MM was released. I'd like to ask some questions. I have a CD from KW that you haven't mentioned here. It's title is 'HYPER CEREBRAL MACHINE'. Does anyone have it? The cover says: 'Recorded at the apollo theatre, Firenze, Italy May 19th 1981.' There are 14 tracs on it. 1 - Numbers - 4'52" 2 - Computer World - 5'38" 3 - Computer Love - 7'18" 4 - Home Computer - 5'48" 5 - The Model - 2'49" 6 - Neon Lights - 9'28" 7 - Geiger Counter - 1'31" 8 - Radioactivity - 4'25" 9 - The Voice Of Energy - 2'45" 10 - Trans Europe Express - 10'20" 11 - The Hall Of Mirrors - 3'57" 12 - Show Room. - 6'52" 13 - Pocket Calculator - 5'43" 14 - The Robots - 7'27" 'Men at work is a division of Vox Populi. Printed in Italy by Phonocomp' The sound quality on this CD is extremely poor. :( I think it was recorded by someone from the audience. You can hear the the audience talking in the background (sometimes louder than the music). It's quality is the same as one of my friend made in Budapest (29. nov. 1991) by (with?) a walkman-like device. I wonder if anybody could tell me something about this. Q2. :) I downloaded the TDF.MP3 (6.5 MB) from http://www.gunnar.net/kraftwerk/ but I can't play it. I've tried Cubic Player, XTC player, and another one. This mp3 seem to wrong. Sometimes during playing my computer rebooted. :( Can anybody tell me what the problem can be? I can play other mp3-s without any problem. Does it require a different player? What do you suggest? (DOS, WIN3.11) If the problem is in this mp3, where else can tdf.mp3 be found on the net? I badly need it, 'cause I couldn't find it anywhere on CD, even in Germany. Q3. I wasn't able to download the three new KW songs from http://www.glennherman.com When trying I got a *.ram, which size was about 35 byte. Q4. Is that true, that Karl Bartos is originally Hungarian? Thats all for now. :) CU hali: Gabiqua ------------------------------------------------------------- | Tandi Gabor, | mailto:gabiqua@mail.matav.hu | | HUNGARY Paks | mailto:gabiqua@npp.hu | | FidoNet: 2:371/20.2 | mailto:gabiqua@bedrock.fido.hu | | ICQ UIN: 4746581 | mailto:gabiqua@freemail.c3.hu | ------------------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER STUDENT" Subject: (kw) Discography Date: 22 Jan 1998 14:55:15 +0000 Greetings to all list members, a new Kraftwerk/Related/Bootlegs Diskography is now available on the following page: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/3713/discogra.html Bye, Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J Talbert Subject: Re: (kw) hello Date: 22 Jan 1998 08:53:16 -0500 Tandi Gabor wrote: > I downloaded the TDF.MP3 (6.5 MB) from http://www.gunnar.net/kraftwerk/ > but I can't play it. I've tried Cubic Player, XTC player, and another one. > This mp3 seem to wrong. Sometimes during playing my computer rebooted. :( > Can anybody tell me what the problem can be? I can play other mp3-s without > any problem. > Does it require a different player? What do you suggest? (DOS, WIN3.11) > If the problem is in this mp3, where else can tdf.mp3 be found on the net? > I badly need it, 'cause I couldn't find it anywhere on CD, even in Germany. More than likely the servre the MP3 was uploaded to has corrupted the MP3 file. If the server is notspecifically configured to handle certain file types, they are treated incorrectly when downloaded. I have experienced this problem with certain servers with not only MP3 files but also MIDI files. If the person who posted the original MP3 can repost it as a ZIP file, it should download properly (most servers handle ZIP format correctly)Kindest regards,-John 'efofex' Talbert ______________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "Continuing the tradition of the underground resonance" -f(x) Featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' [Yes, the debut CD "PROOF" is NOW available!] http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Discography Date: 22 Jan 1998 14:29:44 -0000 >a new Kraftwerk/Related/Bootlegs Diskography is now available on the >following page: > >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/3713/discogra.html Well many thanks to all involved with the lists on the above web site, it's truly a wealth of information. Does anyone actually own all of those items listed?!! I think that there may be some items missing, or maybe I just didn't see them when I looked! I have those Remake 12 inch's, one on red, the other on pink marble effect vinyl. Also in the bootlegs I couldn't see a double album I have called 'Return of Die Mensch Maschine'. This is a live LP on vinyl (2 x 12) in an envelope style cardboard sleeve, the artwork is in black and white and is very reminiscent of the 'Metropolis' style. It is KW live in 1991. Cheers, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Who's coming in March...... Date: 22 Jan 1998 14:39:31 -0000 ........to the event of the year! The Numan convention in my own fair City of Milton Keynes will take place on Saturday March 7, people from all over will be coming, in fact a fellow Numan fan and penpal of mine from California, USA is actually staying with me for this event. Should be great, especially as it will be in licensed premises and will run from 12:00 until 01:00 am!! (Good excuse for a drink if I ever saw one!!). Get your 80's kit out for this one. Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: (kw) A couple of questions... Date: 22 Jan 1998 12:10:08 EST I have a few questions: 1) Has anyone else heard the song V-2 Schneider by David Bowie? It is on the album "Heroes" . He wrote it as a tribute to Kraftwerk, after they mentioned his name in Trans-Europe Express. (still waiting to see something to Kraftwerk from Iggy Pop) In fact, most of side 2 of that album seems to be "Kraftwerk inspired". It is the only David Bowie record in my collection...the rest of his stuff never really apealed to me all that much. 2) on the Kraftwerk and Kraftwerk 2 albums, Florian Schneider's name is given as Florian Schneider-Esleben. Anyone know why this is? 3) The way I got into Kraftwerk is a dissertation in itself, but suffice it to say that I was at somebody's house and they had "The Mix" cd on...I loved it (I had heard Kraftwerk before, in the late 70's and did not like them at all...I know, hard to believe). Anyway, without anyone else around here to play it, I've gotten the records myself, played them myself and developed my own tastes for what I liked best. I would love to hear what tracks anyone else likes. These are my favorites: 1) Klingklang 2) Vom Himmel Hoch 3) Autobahn (of course) 4) Komettenmelodie 2 5) Morgenspaziergang 6) Radioland 7) Airwaves 8) News (it sounds like I think...this fits me) 9) Antenna 10) Ohm Sweet Ohm 11) Endless Endless 12) The Model 13) Les Mannequins (French version of Showroom Dummies) 14) Computer Love 15) Metal On Metal (version from "The Mix" album) That's about all I can think of to talk about at the moment... Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 Now Playing: Kraftwerk - Antenna # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) A couple of questions... Date: 22 Jan 1998 10:37:50 -0800 > From: Bill Dobiesz > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) A couple of questions... > Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 9:10 AM > > 1) Has anyone else heard the song V-2 Schneider by David Bowie? Yeah, I found the Heroes CD used for $7 or $8 bucks- it's EXcellent! :] > 2) on the Kraftwerk and Kraftwerk 2 albums, Florian Schneider's name is > given as Florian Schneider-Esleben. Anyone know why this is? Oh, boy! Juicy Tid-Bits! Here we go again.... -(Just in case everyone doesn't already know these Factoids.)- Eva Maria Esleben is Florian's Mother's maiden name. His Father, Paul, is a famous Architect and I think he also uses the hyphenated last name of Schneider-Esleben, and so do Florian's sisters, Claudia and Tina -(Christina?)-. Florian's DOB is Apr 7, '47. 'Don't know why he dropped "Esleben". Brevity, I guess. -(Do NOT remind me that he's supposedly m*rried to a Sandhya Whaley, aka: The LUCKIEST Woman in The Universe, *GRRR*, with a daughter about 5 years old by now, I guess.)- *sigh* BTW: Ralf's DOB is Aug 20, '46, his Father is a Doctor, and he has one sister that I know of. Apparently Ralf is still single, living with his sister & her family. 'Sketchy details in various Articles as well as Pascal Bussy's BooK, 'KRAFTWERK: Man, Machine, and Music'. Fun reading, but, take it with a grain of salt, eh? "....all the various facts and rumors about KRAFTWERK gathered in one place." > 3) The way I got into Kraftwerk is a dissertation in itself. TELL me about it! I could write a BOOK about the way they reached inside my brain and scrambled my Positronic pathways.*YOWZA*. Hm-m, interesting choice of fave tunes. The Early Years, eh? KooL. I still love Die ROBOTER best, but, ALL of their material is Wunderbar! Oh- is everyone else getting some List messages again a few days later? Or is it just my Server?? strange. Poltergeists in my Email Box.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Lee Subject: Re: (kw) A couple of questions... Date: 22 Jan 1998 17:40:00 +0000 Bill Dobiesz wrote: > 2) on the Kraftwerk and Kraftwerk 2 albums, Florian Schneider's name is > given as Florian Schneider-Esleben. Anyone know why this is? Because that's his name! He shortened it later on for reason's probably only known to himself. Cheers, Chris Lee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) hello Date: 22 Jan 1998 22:45:40 +0100 Re: (kw) hello Tandi Gabor wrote: > > Hello Everyone! > > First of all, sorry for my poor English. > > I'm quite new on this list. I've been a Hungarian KW fan since the MM was > released. Welcome to the list, mein freund-maschine. > I'd like to ask some questions. > > I have a CD from KW that you haven't mentioned here. It's title is 'HYPER > CEREBRAL MACHINE'. Does anyone have it? > > The cover says: 'Recorded at the apollo theatre, Firenze, Italy May 19th > 1981.' I have it too, like several other list members I guess. I found it in Singapore a few years back. The funny thing is that when I proceeded to the counter to buy it, the girl said "Excuse me sir, but I have to warn you : this is a bootleg !". Actually, in the early 80s I found a double vinyl bootleg of a KW gig in Italy during the CW tour. AFAIR, the sleeve was plain yellow (same yellow as the official CW album) and didn't feature much info. And the sound quality was poor too, so I think the CD you mention is the same recording. Hope it helps... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Lee Subject: (kw) MTV Music non-stop Date: 22 Jan 1998 21:34:59 +0000 I realise that this may have come up before but I need to settle an argument.. Is the MTV Music non-stop theme by KW or not? There, I said it. Ridicule me for my lack of knowledge if you like :-) If it is by them then when did they, why did they etc? Cheers, Chris Lee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Regor@webtv.net (R. D.) Subject: Re: (kw) Old Vibrations-part???? Date: 22 Jan 1998 22:19:07 -0500 Many thanks to "jbv" for providing us with another great "old interview" with KW. It always give me great PLEASURE to read what the members of KW think in addition to the PLEASURE I have to listen to their music. When the member of KW says: "the most important is to communicate, to keep moving...", I can relate completely to that even though I am "Canadian" and they admit to be very "German" in their way of making music and expressing themselves. BTW "jbv", I have the feeling that you are also a FRANK ZAPPA's music fan. Am I right? -- Roger. Regor@webtv.net rd411@yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: (kw) A couple of questions... Date: 22 Jan 1998 12:10:08 EST I have a few questions: 1) Has anyone else heard the song V-2 Schneider by David Bowie? It is on the album "Heroes" . He wrote it as a tribute to Kraftwerk, after they mentioned his name in Trans-Europe Express. (still waiting to see something to Kraftwerk from Iggy Pop) In fact, most of side 2 of that album seems to be "Kraftwerk inspired". It is the only David Bowie record in my collection...the rest of his stuff never really apealed to me all that much. 2) on the Kraftwerk and Kraftwerk 2 albums, Florian Schneider's name is given as Florian Schneider-Esleben. Anyone know why this is? 3) The way I got into Kraftwerk is a dissertation in itself, but suffice it to say that I was at somebody's house and they had "The Mix" cd on...I loved it (I had heard Kraftwerk before, in the late 70's and did not like them at all...I know, hard to believe). Anyway, without anyone else around here to play it, I've gotten the records myself, played them myself and developed my own tastes for what I liked best. I would love to hear what tracks anyone else likes. These are my favorites: 1) Klingklang 2) Vom Himmel Hoch 3) Autobahn (of course) 4) Komettenmelodie 2 5) Morgenspaziergang 6) Radioland 7) Airwaves 8) News (it sounds like I think...this fits me) 9) Antenna 10) Ohm Sweet Ohm 11) Endless Endless 12) The Model 13) Les Mannequins (French version of Showroom Dummies) 14) Computer Love 15) Metal On Metal (version from "The Mix" album) That's about all I can think of to talk about at the moment... Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 Now Playing: Kraftwerk - Antenna # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Old Vibrations-part???? Date: 23 Jan 1998 12:53:07 +0100 R. D. wrote: > > Many thanks to "jbv" for providing us with another great "old interview" > with KW. Are you a groupie ? > When the member of KW says: "the most important is to communicate, to > keep moving...", I can relate completely to that even though I am > "Canadian" and they admit to be very "German" in their way of making > music and expressing themselves. Well, when in 91 Ralf says "Because the most important is to communicate, to keep moving, with trains, cars, computers.", I also hear something like "hey, here we are, remember us ? Even if we didn't produce anything new for the past 6 years, we were called "pionneers" 15 years ago... Don't you remember ? We also released a few things called TEE, Autobahn and Computer World..." > BTW "jbv", I have the feeling that you are also a FRANK ZAPPA's music > fan. Am I right? > eh ? uh ? What makes you think so ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar R Johansson Subject: (kw) TDF.ZIP Date: 23 Jan 1998 19:55:50 +0100 98-01-22 14.53 J Talbert skrev: >If the person who posted the original MP3 can repost it as a ZIP file, it >should download properly I have changed the mp3-file at http://www.gunnar.net It is now an zip-file (of Tour de France). Regards /Gunnar Gunnar R Johansson http://www.gunnar.net gunnar@gunnar.net --------"Humoristisk grabb i n=E4tsv=E4ngen" - Internetguiden = 1/98-------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) hello Date: 23 Jan 1998 17:39:52 -0700 (MST) On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, J Talbert wrote: > Tandi Gabor wrote: > > > I downloaded the TDF.MP3 (6.5 MB) from http://www.gunnar.net/kraftwerk/ > > but I can't play it. I've tried Cubic Player, XTC player, and another one. > > This mp3 seem to wrong. Sometimes during playing my computer rebooted. :( > > Can anybody tell me what the problem can be? I can play other mp3-s without > > any problem. > > More than likely the servre the MP3 was uploaded to has corrupted the MP3 file. > If the server is notspecifically configured to handle certain file types, they > are treated incorrectly when downloaded. I've had the same problem with Charlie Crash's MP3 that he spread around a few months back. Does anyone have a known-good copy of his "more44st.mp3" (It's More Fun to Compute remix) that I could grab? By the way, hello to all the new list members. Glad to have you aboard, and watch out for jbv! ;) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob VonMoss Subject: (kw) TDF.ZIP Date: 23 Jan 1998 22:35:02 -0600 Gunnar R Johansson wrote: > > 98-01-22 14.53 J Talbert skrev: > > I have changed the mp3-file at http://www.gunnar.net What application do you need to run this file? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: computermusic@post.cz Subject: (kw) MTV Music non-stop Date: 24 Jan 1998 15:21:46 +0100 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sender: owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > Precedence: bulk > X-No-Archive: yes > > > I realise that this may have come up before but I need to settle an > argument.. > > Is the MTV Music non-stop theme by KW or not? There, I said it. > Ridicule me for my lack of knowledge if you like :-) > > If it is by them then when did they, why did they etc? > > Cheers, > Chris Lee Hi Chris! Two years ago in MTV Europe in program Music Non Stop they use special short version of Music Non Stop.In lines on end of this program you can see "music - Kraftwerk" Special version of Music Non Stop from this program you can hear on this address: http://www.cs.umu.se/studenter/kraftwerk/Audio/kfiles/nonstop.mp2 MTV use song Telephone Call in program Dial on MTV(two years ago). I dont know why Kraftwerk colaborated with MTV(money TV :-)) Bye Computer Music alias Metropolis from Prague Czech Republic My E-Mail: computermusic@post.cz (text only) computer_music@geocities.com (text+attachment) My Pages: Kraftwerk CZ http://www.music.cz/kapely/kraftwerk Computer Music http://www.mamedia.cz/home/COMPUTER_MUSIC.html IRC channel #kraftwerk ( 18:00 - 24:00 CET) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: (kw) A question (what else?) Date: 24 Jan 1998 10:04:59 EST I'm just wondering if discussion of Elektric Music is on topic here? I had never heard of the group prior to getting into this echo. I found a copy of Esperanto while looking for other Kraftwerk stuff. It IS Karl Bartos and Emil Schult...not founders of Kraftwerk, but former (?) members just the same. Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) MTV Music non-stop Date: 24 Jan 1998 15:49:37 -0800 >end of this program you can see "music - Kraftwerk" Special version of Music Non Stop from this program you can hear on this = address:=20 http://www.cs.umu.se/studenter/kraftwerk/Audio/kfiles/nonstop.mp2 MTV use song Telephone Call in program Dial on MTV(two years ago). I dont know why Kraftwerk colaborated with MTV(money TV :-))< Indeed the use of tracks from Electric Cafe by MTV undoubtedly proves = that the album is a classic. Although I know some journalists have = expressed their reservations about EC, its use by MTV quashes these. = Indeed, it could be said that EC foresaw and now encapsulates the MTV = world of pop music in the 1990's. mode.123=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) A question (what else?) Date: 24 Jan 1998 17:07:39 +0100 Bill Dobiesz wrote: > > I'm just wondering if discussion of Elektric Music is on topic here? > Yes, but on leap-years only. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Stirring up some more shit... (what else ?) Date: 24 Jan 1998 17:31:07 +0100 Listening to the Olympic bootleg CD with some friends (yes, I still have a few), I was wondering why people keep putting The Robots on such bootlegs, since KW obviously uses a tape for that song live (and since the 91 tour, I think). Furthermore, as it can heard on the above mentioned item, the first part of that song (with the video) being the version from the MIX album, while the second part (when the robots refuse to move) sounds like "Robotronik" (from the 91 single edit). At least in 81, there was no robot on stage, but they were using a different (actually slower) version of the song. For instance on the "Hyper Cerebral..." bootleg, it's easy to tell that it's a tape, for it's the only song with an acceptable balance, and during which nobody gets out of tune. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Stirring up some more shit... (what else ?) Date: 24 Jan 1998 17:32:04 +0100 Listening to the Olympic bootleg CD with some friends (yes, I still have a few), I was wondering why people keep putting The Robots on such bootlegs, since KW obviously uses a tape for that song live (and since the 91 tour, I think). Furthermore, as it can heard on the above mentioned item, the first part of that song (with the video) being the version from the MIX album, while the second part (when the robots refuse to move) sounds like "Robotronik" (from the 91 single edit). At least in 81, there was no robot on stage, but they were using a different (actually slower) version of the song. For instance on the "Hyper Cerebral..." bootleg, it's easy to tell that it's a tape, for it's the only song with an acceptable balance, and during which nobody gets out of tune. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Linkiel Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #38 Date: 24 Jan 1998 18:01:43 +0100 Tandi Gabor wondered: > Is that true, that Karl Bartos is originally Hungarian? Not if (as Bussy would have it) he was born in Berchtesgaden, dear.. at least not entirely. --lech@netg.se # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: RE: (kw) MTV Music non-stop Date: 24 Jan 1998 19:35:20 +0100 On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:49:37 -0800, **************** wrote: >MTV use song Telephone Call in program Dial on MTV(two years ago). Is this a different (edit) version from the EC one? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Glenn Herman Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Fonts Anyone?? Date: 24 Jan 1998 13:46:11 -0500 Hello All: Just sitting here wondering where all the Kraftwerk fonts have gone from all the Webring pages...anyone know where I can get some Kraftwerk style fonts?? glennherman@prodigy.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) A question (what else?) Date: 24 Jan 1998 11:53:55 -0800 > From: Bill Dobiesz > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) A question (what else?) > Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 7:04 AM > > I'm just wondering if discussion of Elektric Music is on topic here? Ofcourse! Just in case some folks don't know already.... Karl Bartos teamed up with Lothar Manteuffel for this project. -(I'm STILL trying to find my old "Lothar & The Hand People" album, featuring a Theremin- very KooL!)- I had to special-order the "Esperanto" CD, but, it was worth the wait. I like it. 'Normal price, about $15. Emil Schult did the cover art. -(He borrowed the Japanese battle flag design- The Rising Sun.)- Karl also co-wrote half of the songs on the Electronic CD, "Raise The Pressure", with Bernard Sumner of New Order and Johnny Marr of The Smiths. "Raise The Pressure" is pretty good -(conventional)- MusiK, but, I like "Esperanto" better. It has more "punch" to it. 'Personal taste. 'Last I heard, Karl is now collaborating with Mobile Homes. So, what's the latest scoop? I'd heard that Elektric Music had broken up, and I'm not sure if Electronic is still together, either, but, someone mentioned the -(RE-released?)- "Lifestyle" single a while back. I'm trying to find it in the Mail List Archives to verify.... Another related topic: Wolfgang Flur's new project YAMO released their "Time Pie" CD last year. It's very.... different; "Word Poetry" set to mildly spacey sounds. I also heard that he's working with another project called Mouth on Mouth- not to be confused with Mouse on Mars.... or is it the other way around?? -(Ha-Ha!)- Has anybody heard any more recent news? ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Pics of KW Date: 24 Jan 1998 22:07:58 +0100 A week (or so) ago, I said that I had finished scanning old pics of KW (from 1976 to 1991). I got several mails from people interested in them. Some of you have proposed to put them on their site. Some of you (knowing that I can get touchy on certain things ;-) ) even proposed to give me full credit. That's very nice, but I don't care much about it since I didn't take the pictures myself. My problem is that I'm pretty lazy/busy at the moment and can't afford to send almost 4 Mb to 12 or 15 people. And I don't have any personal page where to put them on line (which is quite stupid for I have 5 Mb available somewhere). Anyway, I need someone who can put that stuff online for a while (so that other members can grab them) but WITHOUT MODIFYING those pictures in any way : I mean resizing, cutting or anything like that. I do insist on that point, for I tried to optimize the scans, the compression and the size (those pics have a maximum width of 640 pixels which should be convenient for any screen). The idea is to keep the maximum quality, so that eventually people can tweek them the way they want afterwards. So please don't send me another bunch of 15 mails, or we'll fall into a vicious circle. Please try to work out something together and just give me the adress of the person to whom I supposed to send the stuff. There's also a few Mb of various ads, articles and reviews from the same period and mentioning KW, but it has been sent to Klaus already. So if that stuff doesn't get online, blame him... Last but not least : there's still that 2-pages interview given by Ralf to a german fanzine in 91, which looks interesting but which I never finished to translate into english. Is there any nice bi-lingual G-UK list member to whom I could send scans of this interview, and who could post the translation ? Unless nobody is interested in that material, of course... Hope to hear from you soon. jbv PS : when I'm less busy, I'm planing to do more research on earlier KW stuff. Be patient... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Old (tired) vibrations as usual... Date: 24 Jan 1998 22:08:46 +0100 Below are excerpts from an interview given by Ralf to french mag. Rock n' Folk during the MIX tour in 91. AFAIR, this interviewed has been used by Bussy in his book, but not those excerpts. I hope I'm right on this... I translated them because it gives some elements of response to a few questions that appeared on this list (concept of KW, old and modern images, possible name/concept for the next album, etc.). jbv --------------------- R : We've been told lately that the wireframe graphics for Music Non = Stop are very modern, but also look like classical marble statues. = Different times can appear as simultaneous when ancient and modern = pictures are mixed together. Different times bump into each other, and = what we like a lot is to ask the question : "where is the present ?" = We've been living with it for so long... Our "modernity" is cyclic. = The way we see it, it's something out of time, and it's probably more = modern than something created in 91. Q : was modernity more modern in the 50s and 60s ? R : Some things, yes. I find the 90s much more reactionnary. And musically too. When we play Autobahn, which was composed in 1974, it's = still very modern. Q : Any idea for the next album ? R : We'll see. At the moment, we are assimilating ideas as we travel. We are fascinated by movement (trains, cars, the Tour de France, music in progress, cities). It will certainly be very inspired by traveling or by the networks that grow across the planet. Q : Conrad Schnitzler ? A : We never worked with him, but we did jam-sessions together, long time ago. We didn't really have any relationship with the other bands. Germany is different from France : there's no center, like Paris is the center of the country. D=FCsseldorf is an industrial center, K=F6ln or Berlin have each a different scene. Q : A few legends say that the KK studio is full of unreleased tapes... R : Not full, but there are a few tapes... We never recorded a lot, things are rather inside our heads. We have very few archives. = Everything we use for our work is stored as computer data, but there are = very few finished products. When we did EC (...) we didn't act like a singer who checks his cassettes and chooses what he'll put on the album. But we have a lot of computer programs, and we launch them when necessary. (...) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kotta" Subject: (kw) Newsgroup Date: 25 Jan 1998 01:31:01 +0100 hiya, what about the alt.music.kraftwerk newsgroup, ever used? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) A couple of questions... Date: 25 Jan 1998 03:32:08 +0100 >1) Has anyone else heard the song V-2 Schneider by David Bowie? It is on ... >album seems to be "Kraftwerk inspired". It is the only David Bowie well, more than Kraftwerk, I'll say Brian Eno-insipired. strange that there were never connections between Eno and K. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "D. A. Nelson" Subject: (kw) Why no Eno + Kraftwerk? Date: 24 Jan 1998 18:35:43 -0800 lbo wrote: > >1) Has anyone else heard the song V-2 Schneider by David Bowie? It is on > ... > >album seems to be "Kraftwerk inspired". It is the only David Bowie > > well, more than Kraftwerk, I'll say Brian Eno-insipired. strange that > there were never connections between Eno and K. Yes, I've always wanted to ask either Eno or Kraftwerk members why they never collaborated. It seems they would be natural together, yes? Although Eno is quirkier and more freeform. --Dorothy A. Nelson dorothy@intraspect.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Regor@webtv.net (R. D.) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Media Center Update (Videos). Date: 24 Jan 1998 21:38:08 -0500 "A move to a faster server": that is excellent news, because I like your site very much, but it is sssooo ssslllooowww... Let us know as soon as you make your move. Thanks. -- Roger. Regor@webtv.net rd411@yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SR Records Subject: Re: (kw) Why no Eno + Kraftwerk? Date: 24 Jan 1998 23:12:05 EST In a message dated 1/25/98 2:45:04 AM, you wrote: <> That is the exact reason why I could never see them together. Listen to Eno's music from the 1970's and it seems to "drip" and flow like water. Kraftwerk is much more rigid and controlled. Brian Eno's music mostly seems to be made up of so-called "theories" etc........most of which explain themselves when one reads any novice recording handbook........He seems to make an Enoism out of what, in the end, turns out to be basic studio techniques or some obvious form of "creative control...." Whether this is beneficial to the music itself remains to be seen by the listener -- I've heard some Eno stuff that I like and dislike.........Of course, this is not unlike many of the little "Kraftwerkisms" that have made themselves known to the public like "we work non-stop for 9 hours a day perfecting our new computer controlled machines........." They've been doing this for 12 years. I wonder what this mind-boggling new music they've come up with since 1986 sounds like? I mean - to remain so incredibly "cutting-edge," they must update Kling Klang every six months, thereby throwing away a new album everytime a new synthesizer comes out :-) -j # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco DuBose Subject: (kw) Bowie /Kraftwerk Date: 25 Jan 1998 00:34:08 -0500 If you liked "Heroes", have you listened to "Low"? They are a matched set! You might also listen to Philip Glass' "Low" and "Heroes" symphonies. Glass inspired by Bowie inspired by Kraftwerk! - A somewhat related funny story. Bowie hired Adrian Belew to play guitar on the tour which followed "Low" and "Heroes" but didn't tell him that most of the parts he had to play had been originally created on synthesizers. Belew figured out how to make his guitar make those sounds! Marco >1) Has anyone else heard the song V-2 Schneider by David Bowie? It is >on the album "Heroes" . He wrote it as a tribute to Kraftwerk, after >they mentioned his name in Trans-Europe Express. (still waiting to see >something to Kraftwerk from Iggy Pop) In fact, most of side 2 of that >album seems to be "Kraftwerk inspired". It is the only David Bowie >record in my collection...the rest of his stuff never really apealed to >me all that much. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Newsgroup Date: 25 Jan 1998 01:37:27 -0700 (MST) On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Kotta wrote: > what about the alt.music.kraftwerk newsgroup, > ever used? I get it here, but I've never seen any messages in it. Though that could just be due to newsfeed problems here. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Re: SynthPop NetWork/Release E-Mag Date: 25 Jan 1998 23:25:28 -0800 > From: Kotta > To: Kraftwerk Mailing List > Subject: (kw) Newsgroup > Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 4:31 PM > > hiya, > what about the alt.music.kraftwerk newsgroup, > ever used? Funny thing- I get all the other "alt" news groups, but, I can't find alt.music.kraftwerk on my server. -(Super News? Whatever Humboldt Internet uses.)- There is another KW News Group: uwp.maillist.kraftwerk that is seldom-used, but, it IS on my server. Kotta also asked me if there is a Mobile Homes WebSite, so we can keep tabs on Karl if he IS collaborating with them. Well, I couldn't find any MH WebSites, but, the SynthPop NetWork covers a LOT of different bands. North-American Division: http://nesc.me.utexas.edu/~sball/synthpop.html European Division: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mh/synthpop.html Darn, no MH or Panasonic?? -(I've heard about these guys. Finland, eh? KooL! I gotta hear their tunes!)- So, I poked around some more and found an E-mag called Release On-Line. Click on NEWS, then click on "click here for previous news entries", then click Jan 19th and scroll about halfway down.... here's a brief blurb about Mobile Homes: >> Now The Mobile Homes seems to be back with more than rumours and talk. Preliminary facts tells that there will be a new single in February called "You Bring the Sunshine" and that the new album will be out in March. We get back with the definite facts as soon as they exist. << I read somewhere else that Karl is busy with Electronic. -(I thought they broke up, and so did Elektric Music. Hm-m-m....)- So, I guess he wont be collaborating on this new MH album after all. -????- Dang, where DID I read that? Rats, I lost it. :[ Release On-Line also mentions a re-release of Suicide's first album from 1977, other "Previous News" sections mention S.P.O.C.K, and TOO many other KooL Artists to list. Interesting stuff. ....Whoa! Looky here: KRAFTWERK ALERT!! <*WhooOOP-WhooOOP*> !! -(Dec 10th section, halfway down)- >> Despite all the usual rumours Kraftwerk have not scheduled any releases for the nearest future. Something will be released, but we don't know when or what yet. You just never know with these guys, do you? But their record plans feels more promising now, since the have played live three times this year. The last two apperances was recently in Karlsruhe (Germany) and Linz (Austria). Kraftwerk performed three new, but (still?) instrumental tracks. << *sigh* Sometime late this year, maybe? Altogether now: "DUH-h, Ralf!". Okay- back to the INFOBAHN. Let's see what other goodies I can find.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ Now The Mobile Homes seems to be back with more than rumours and talk. Preliminary facts tells that there will be a new single in February called "You Bring the Sunshine" and that the new album will be out in March. We get back with the definite facts as soon as they exist. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ea94rema@ihh.hj.se (MARKUS REINEVIK) Subject: (kw) Two dots or not two dots, that's the question... Date: 26 Jan 1998 09:23:45 + 100 Since there's recently been questions about Florian's name i thought it wouldn't do any harm asking about another name, namely Wolfgang's! The (very interesting ;-] ) question is: Is his last name Flur (without two dots) or Fl=FCr (with two dots or "P=FCnktchen" (or whatever the German word might be))? Bussy's book features the first version, but on the other hand on Yamo's (Wolfgang's) CD "Time pie" it says two dots (and he ought to know, I guess...) What's confusing me is the fact that on the TEE (English version) H=FCtter is spelled with these German dots, but Flur/Fl=FCr is not, so it couldn't just be the habit of excluding foreign types of letters whenever writing English? Two dots or not two dots, that's the question... /MarcuS/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Is it WERKing?? Date: 26 Jan 1998 01:55:29 -0800 Hello?? 'Just checking. I've tried to post something 3 times today- I just hope it doesn't show UP 3 times! Some other posts are appearing twice. strange. ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: FW: (kw) Pics of KW Date: 26 Jan 1998 12:07:14 +0100 Hmm.. Seems to be a problem somewhere. One more try... /Joakim > -----Original Message----- > From: Svensson, Joakim > Sent: den 25 januari 1998 22:14 > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: RE: (kw) Pics of KW > > >> My problem is that I'm pretty lazy/busy at the moment and can't > afford to send almost 4 Mb to 12 or 15 people. > And I don't have any personal page where to put them on line (which is > quite stupid for I have 5 Mb available somewhere).<<>> So please don't > send me another bunch of 15 mails, or we'll fall into a vicious > circle. Please try to work out something together and just give me the > adress of the person to whom I supposed to send the stuff. << > > I have a web-account with 10 MB free. It can be used, if no one else > has something better. > > /Joakim > > PS. Perhaps I should introduce myself, since I've been on this list > for some months. I've beent listening to Kraftwerk since 1981 - just > after CW was released here in Sweden. I'm interrested in electronic > music in general and Kraftwerk in particular. To this date I've only > visited one consert - and I'll almost surely not be able to visit the > one in London. > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Sossi" Subject: (kw) Thank you ! Date: 26 Jan 1998 13:27:20 +1100 Many thanks to all the Kraftwerk fans that have offered to help me with Kraftwerk items of which I have found hard to obtain! THANK YOU! Regards Chris - jmjarre@dynamite.com.au # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Fw: SynthPop NetWork/Release E-Mag Date: 25 Jan 1998 18:30:25 -0800 > From: Kotta > To: Kraftwerk Mailing List > Subject: (kw) Newsgroup > Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 4:31 PM > > hiya, > what about the alt.music.kraftwerk newsgroup, > ever used? Funny thing- I get all the other "alt" news groups, but, I can't find alt.music.kraftwerk on my server. -(Super News? Whatever Humboldt Internet uses.)- There is another KW News Group: uwp.maillist.kraftwerk that is seldom-used, but, it IS on my server. Kotta also asked me if there is a Mobile Homes WebSite, so we can keep tabs on Karl if he IS collaborating with them. Well, I couldn't find any MH WebSites, but, the SynthPop NetWork covers a LOT of different bands. North-American Division: http://nesc.me.utexas.edu/~sball/synthpop.html European Division: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mh/synthpop.html Darn, no MH or Panasonic?? -(I've heard about these guys. Finland, eh? KooL! I gotta hear their tunes!)- So, I poked around some more and found an E-mag called Release On-Line. Click on NEWS, then click on "click here for previous news entries", then click Jan 19th and scroll about halfway down.... here's a brief blurb about Mobile Homes: >> Now The Mobile Homes seems to be back with more than rumours and talk. Preliminary facts tells that there will be a new single in February called "You Bring the Sunshine" and that the new album will be out in March. We get back with the definite facts as soon as they exist. << I read somewhere else that Karl is busy with Electronic. -(I thought they broke up, and so did Elektric Music. Hm-m-m....)- So, I guess he wont be collaborating on this new MH album after all. -????- Dang, where DID I read that? Rats, I lost it. :[ Release On-Line also mentions a re-release of Suicide's first album from 1977, other "Previous News" sections mention S.P.O.C.K, and TOO many other KooL Artists to list. Interesting stuff. ....Whoa! Looky here: KRAFTWERK ALERT!! <*WhooOOP-WhooOOP*> !! -(Dec 10th section, halfway down)- >> Despite all the usual rumours Kraftwerk have not scheduled any releases for the nearest future. Something will be released, but we don't know when or what yet. You just never know with these guys, do you? But their record plans feels more promising now, since the have played live three times this year. The last two apperances was recently in Karlsruhe (Germany) and Linz (Austria). Kraftwerk performed three new, but (still?) instrumental tracks. << *sigh* Sometime late this year, maybe? Altogether now: "DUH-h, Ralf!". Okay- back to the INFOBAHN. Let's see what other goodies I can find.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ Now The Mobile Homes seems to be back with more than rumours and talk. Preliminary facts tells that there will be a new single in February called "You Bring the Sunshine" and that the new album will be out in March. We get back with the definite facts as soon as they exist. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Spanish "edit" of "Sex Object" Date: 19 Jan 1998 10:03:46 +0100 (NFT) > * KRAFTWERK - ROBOTRONIK UBERMENSCH * > It's a remix bootleg with an 'strange' 4min27s 'edited version' of Sex > Object sung in Spanish. > > *** PLEASE **** Could some vinyl fan verify if really exists 'officially' > some "edit version" of 4.27 of Sex Object in Spanish?? I personally think > that it's not an official edit... No, it isn't an official edit, and in fact it isn't even a "real" edit. It's simply the LP version that ends when the CD runs out of playing time. It was apparently mastered from the "Werke" bootleg CD, since it has the same pops etc. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) SynthPop NetWork/Release E-Mag Date: 25 Jan 1998 12:04:09 -0800 > From: Kotta > To: Kraftwerk Mailing List > Subject: (kw) Newsgroup > Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 4:31 PM > > hiya, > what about the alt.music.kraftwerk newsgroup, > ever used? Funny thing- I get all the other "alt" news groups, but, I can't find alt.music.kraftwerk on my server. -(Super News? Whatever Humboldt Internet uses.)- There is another KW News Group: uwp.maillist.kraftwerk that is seldom-used, but, it IS on my server. Kotta also asked me if there is a Mobile Homes WebSite, so we can keep tabs on Karl if he IS collaborating with them. Well, I couldn't find any MH WebSites, but, the SynthPop NetWork covers a LOT of different bands. North-American Division: http://nesc.me.utexas.edu/~sball/synthpop.html European Division: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mh/synthpop.html Darn, no MH or Panasonic?? -(I've heard about these guys. Finland, eh? KooL! I gotta hear their tunes!)- So, I poked around some more and found an E-mag called Release On-Line. Click on NEWS, then click on "click here for previous news entries", then click Jan 19th and scroll about halfway down.... here's a brief blurb about Mobile Homes: >> Now The Mobile Homes seems to be back with more than rumours and talk. Preliminary facts tells that there will be a new single in February called "You Bring the Sunshine" and that the new album will be out in March. We get back with the definite facts as soon as they exist. << I read somewhere else that Karl is busy with Electronic. -(I thought they broke up, and so did Elektric Music. Hm-m-m....)- So, I guess he wont be collaborating on this new MH album after all. -????- Dang, where DID I read that? Rats, I lost it. :[ Release On-Line also mentions a re-release of Suicide's first album from 1977, other "Previous News" sections mention S.P.O.C.K, and TOO many other KooL Artists to list. Interesting stuff. ....Whoa! Looky here: KRAFTWERK ALERT!! <*WhooOOP-WhooOOP*> !! -(Dec 10th section, halfway down)- >> Despite all the usual rumours Kraftwerk have not scheduled any releases for the nearest future. Something will be released, but we don't know when or what yet. You just never know with these guys, do you? But their record plans feels more promising now, since the have played live three times this year. The last two apperances was recently in Karlsruhe (Germany) and Linz (Austria). Kraftwerk performed three new, but (still?) instrumental tracks. << *sigh* Sometime late this year, maybe? Altogether now: "DUH-h, Ralf!". Okay- back to the INFOBAHN. Let's see what other goodies I can find.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ Now The Mobile Homes seems to be back with more than rumours and talk. Preliminary facts tells that there will be a new single in February called "You Bring the Sunshine" and that the new album will be out in March. We get back with the definite facts as soon as they exist. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: (kw) Loss of samples? Date: 25 Jan 1998 08:35:25 -0800 (PST) From some of the posts to this list, Am I correct that Kraftwerk has to Re-Sample their OWN music? If most of their original tracks were samples, HOW could they be of Poor quality and have to be re-sampled? I beleive it can't be that hard to take an analog sample and digitize it. Could it be that they want to be different at each live performance? like replacing some old samples with different ones to change a song slightly for a different effect/outcome? Eric Knight ericknig@sprynet.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com Date: 26 Jan 1998 07:20:37 -0700 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Why no Eno + Kraftwerk? Date: 25 Jan 1998 19:26:07 -0800 Jm wrote:- >machines........." They've been doing this for 12 years. I wonder = what this mind-boggling new music they've come up with since 1986 sounds like? I = mean - to remain so incredibly "cutting-edge," they must update Kling Klang = every six months, thereby throwing away a new album everytime a new synthesizer = comes out < I am in complete agreement with your observation.It's also my belief = that keeping a recording studio cutting edge is an expensive and time = consuming task. I doubt whether Kraftwerk have made many changes at = Kling-Klang in the last 10 years. The recording studios that are kept = upto date are those which are hired out to many bands., for example in = England, Abbey Road and Sarm. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo Subject: Re: (kw) Pics of KW Date: 25 Jan 1998 19:10:51 +0100 >Anyway, I need someone who can put that stuff online for a while (so >that other members can grab them) but WITHOUT MODIFYING those pictures >in any way : I mean resizing, cutting or anything like that. I do >insist on that point, for I tried to optimize the scans, the >compression and the size (those pics have a maximum width of 640 pixels >which should be convenient for any screen). The idea is to keep the >maximum quality, so that eventually people can tweek them the way they >want afterwards. I can offer you about 4MB of web-space! No modifications to the pictures. I only want to make small thumbnail versions that can be placed on one-page for fast downloading as a selection for those ones which you want to download! groeten, Dolf / / dolf@twingo.xs4all.nl / twingo@xs4all.nl ----/---/---- Dolf Wiemer, the Netherlands / / tel.: int +31 24 677 00 06 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Mixmag Date: 18 Jan 1998 12:32:42 +0000 The January issue of Mixmag features a brief review of Kraftwerk's 1997 Tribal Gathering appearance. Small live photo ("Homecomputer"). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) More Superior promo items Date: 26 Jan 1998 20:46:19 +0100 (NFT) > The Esprit Mailorder catalogue (www.eil.com) lists some more > Superior promo items in addition to the promo 12" and the promo > 2-track enhanced CD, which were already mentioned here a while back: > > SUPERIOR Album Sampler (Virgin UK 4-trk promo cassette + title inlay) > SUPERIOR Coma (Withdrawn UK 4-trk promo CD, incls Komatrix > Mix by Karl Bartos of Kraftwerk + Baader Meinhof Mix, etc, p/s > VSCDJ1646) Still more Superior promo material (quoted from www.eil.com): SUPERIOR Germ Free (UK 12-trk advance promo cassette + title inlay) UK 4.99 / $ 8.00 SUPERIOR Coma (Unreleased UK 4-trk enhanced CD inc Baader Meinhof Mix, New Pain New Gain Mix & Fibreflex Mix, digipak p/s VSCDG1646) UK 4.99 / $ 8.00 Details for the above mentioned 4-track promo cassette album sampler are: 1. Stampede 2. Coma 3. Faster Than You 4. Polaroid Millenium Source: CD-R Copied 20.06.97 No further credits. The version of "Coma" is the standard version, not the version remixed by Karl Bartos. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Dinger vs. EastWest (part 2) Date: 26 Jan 1998 20:42:38 +0100 (NFT) The main hearing in the lawsuit Klaus Dinger vs. EastWest Records concerning the legitimacy of the three La Duesseldorf CD reissues (see http://http://corona.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/people/gawlista/mucke/eastwest.html) is now scheduled for February, according to the jpc Courier 2/1998. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Pics of KW Date: 26 Jan 1998 20:53:55 +0100 (NFT) > From: jbv > > There's also a few Mb of various ads, articles and reviews from the > same period and mentioning KW, but it has been sent to Klaus already. > So if that stuff doesn't get online, blame him... I've added most of these articles to my "Kraftwerk Online Library" (http://home.t-online.de/home/Zaepke/kraftwer.htm). Due to limited disk space, I've radically reduced the size (and quality!) of the original scans, but most of the writing should be still decipherable. > Last but not least : there's still that 2-pages interview given by > Ralf to a german fanzine in 91, which looks interesting but which I > never finished to translate into english. I've also added low-quality scans from this article ("Es wird immer weitergehen...", Frontpage 7-8/1991) to my "Online Library". The URL for this article is: http://home.t-online.de/home/Zaepke/fp.htm. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Dinger vs. EastWest (part 2) Date: 26 Jan 1998 20:42:38 +0100 (NFT) The main hearing in the lawsuit Klaus Dinger vs. EastWest Records concerning the legitimacy of the three La Duesseldorf CD reissues (see http://http://corona.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/people/gawlista/mucke/eastwest.html) is now scheduled for February, according to the jpc Courier 2/1998. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Pics of KW Date: 27 Jan 1998 00:17:33 +0100 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > I've also added low-quality scans from this article ("Es wird immer > weitergehen...", Frontpage 7-8/1991) to my "Online Library". > The URL for this article is: > http://home.t-online.de/home/Zaepke/fp.htm. > > Klaus Zaepke > Great. So, is there anyone out there who will take a couple of hours to translate that thing and post it to the list ? I can understand about 60% of it, but would really like to get the whole thing. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. BTW, if readability of scans is a problem, I have high quality scans of that paper that I can email. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Heil" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Bashing? Date: 26 Jan 1998 22:08:50 -0700 I would just like to hear some comments as being on the Tangerine Dream mailing list, some Kraftwerk stuff pops up every now and then. This is TD's life long influence and composer Edgar Frose: > (FROESE) "Kraftwerk did a lot of damage to the philosophy of electronic > music...Kraftwerk's music made it hard for us to do our work. There were > three or four years in the mid-Eighties when it was difficult for people to > understand that robotic sounds weren't the only music you could make with > computers." It seems to indicate the commercial sucess and influence of the Kraftwerk sound. Greg H. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Fw: (kw) Kraftwerk Bashing? Date: 26 Jan 1998 23:26:31 -0800 > From: Greg Heil > > > (FROESE) "Kraftwerk did a lot of damage to the philosophy of electronic > > music...Kraftwerk's music made it hard for us to do our work. There > > were three or four years in the mid-Eighties when it was difficult for > > people to understand that robotic sounds weren't the only music you > > could make with computers." > > It seems to indicate the commercial sucess and influence of the Kraftwerk > sound. Greg H. I'd say it indicates jealousy. ;] ROBOWINKY Not that there's anything wrong with T.Dream, but, come ON, "damage to the philosophy of electronic music"? Get REAL! Each Artist has his/her own individual concept and philosophy of what his/her Art or Music is and how it should be presented. KW and TD have different concepts of Electronic Music, that's all. It's up to the individual listener's taste as to which concept and presentation is prefered. Oh, shit- My last post DID show up 3 times! Jeez, I'm sorry I cluttered up everyone's Email. I thought my message wasn't received at all. I re-sent it a few hours later and it still didn't show up, so, I sent it a 3rd time. MY mistake, NOT the Server. -(this time.)- *grrr* ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: emkubed Subject: Re: (kw) Loss of samples? Date: 27 Jan 1998 02:06:01 -0600 Eric Knight wrote: > >From some of the posts to this list, Am I correct that Kraftwerk has to > Re-Sample their OWN music? > > If most of their original tracks were samples, HOW could they be of Poor > quality and have to be re-sampled? I beleive it can't be that hard to take > an analog sample and digitize it. > > Could it be that they want to be different at each live performance? like > replacing some old samples with different ones to change a song slightly > for a different effect/outcome? > > Eric Knight The old samples were stored on tape. In this storage format, recorded data is subject to rapid degradation. So KW resampled and stored the new samples digitally, a format that takes a LONG time to degrade. I remember reading the post(s) that talked about this, which made this fact obvious. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Elias Granillo, Jr." Subject: (kw) RE: Award Date: 27 Jan 1998 00:14:32 -0800 For those unaware: in 1992, Kraftwerk received an award for "over a decade of contributions to synthesizer music." I have but two questions: 1) Who was the organization who awarded this? 2) Why have Tangerine Dream never been awarded in kind, and why on earth would Kraftwerk receive this before they? Kraftwerk are one-tenth as prolific, and one-one-thousandth as creative. No flames, please. This is just a legitimate inquiry of Kraftwerk fans, open to critical discussion. Put away your asbestos suits and flamethrowers. Elias Granillo, Jr. upnsm0ke@gte.net "The trouble with life in ivory towers, the seconds stretch until they fit the skins of hours" GEOFF MANN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) Loss of samples? Date: 27 Jan 1998 09:46:32 -0000 > >>From some of the posts to this list, Am I correct that Kraftwerk has to >Re-Sample their OWN music? > >If most of their original tracks were samples, HOW could they be of Poor >quality and have to be re-sampled? I beleive it can't be that hard to take >an analog sample and digitize it. > Well, basically because all the original material is on tape, it was clearly stated in the extract, not in sample form at all. > >Could it be that they want to be different at each live performance? like >replacing some old samples with different ones to change a song slightly >for a different effect/outcome? > nope. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: (kw) Bartos / Sumner Date: 27 Jan 1998 09:43:30 -0000 Good mornin' fellow werkaholics! Out if interest, and from a vid collector's point of view, did anybody catch the BBC documentary about 'Prozak' featuring Bernard Sumner? I remember watching this programme, and also remember our mutual friend Karl Bartos putting in an appearance. Of course, I was totally unprepared for this, and couldn't get the damn tape in the machine in time to catch it. All I remember is Bernard walking into his small studio, and introducing Karl, who was sitting at a keyboard, playing something. Anybody have any more info on this, or even a recording? ciao, --------- Jules Seifert #kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ No:- 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Bashing? Date: 27 Jan 1998 09:52:29 -0000 > >I would just like to hear some comments as being on the Tangerine >Dream mailing list, some Kraftwerk stuff pops up every now and then. >This is TD's life long influence and composer Edgar Frose: > >> (FROESE) "Kraftwerk did a lot of damage to the philosophy of electronic >> music...Kraftwerk's music made it hard for us to do our work. There were >> three or four years in the mid-Eighties when it was difficult for people >to >> understand that robotic sounds weren't the only music you could make with >> computers." > >It seems to indicate the commercial sucess and influence of the Kraftwerk >sound. > Yes, and it also brings us back to the old 'what is electronic music' debate. Tangerine Dream rightfully have their place in the 'scene' but I think it is not their place to accuse ANY band of damaging the 'philosophy' of electronic music. And moreover, is there a 'philosophy'? If you put most electronic music in front of a music lecturer, they would tell you that the notes are all wrong etc, but that does not make the music invalid. > What would be the reaction if say Kraftwerk members accused TD of ruining the 'philosophy' of electronic music by putting out endless amounts of wishy-washy ambient? Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) RE: Award Date: 27 Jan 1998 02:17:12 -0800 > From: Elias Granillo, Jr. > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) RE: Award > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 12:14 AM > > For those unaware: in 1992, Kraftwerk received an award for "over a > decade of contributions to synthesizer music." I have but two questions: > > 1) Who was the organization who awarded this? 'can't remember. It was mentioned in KEYBOARD Magazine at the time. > 2) Why have Tangerine Dream never been awarded in kind, You mean they haven't? Hm-m-m, I wonder why. > and why on earth would Kraftwerk receive this before they? Kraftwerk are > one-tenth as prolific, okay, granted. However, quantity does not neccessarily mean quality. -(I don't mean TD is poor quality. I simply mean that quantity -of ANYthing- in itself is NOT a guarantee of quality.)- > and one-one-thousandth as creative. NOT!!!! As I said in my previous post, it's a matter of personal taste. For my tastes, TD is nice Spacey Hippie ProgRock, but, it doesn't thrill me. -('Not enough rhythm.)- KW sounds more unique and creative to me- and a lot less "pretentious". If you don't like KW's minimalist mechanical style, fine. No one's forcing you to. It's YOUR tastebuds. To each their own. > No flames, please. This is just a legitimate inquiry of Kraftwerk fans, > open to critical discussion. Put away your asbestos suits and > flamethrowers. WHAT?!! You come in here pissing on KW with insulting remarks such as: [KW is] "one-one-thousandth as creative" [as TD] and tell US "no flames"? I wouldn't go into the TD Mail List and piss on them. Jeez, put away YOUR flamethrower! Nobody's flamed you. -(....Yet.*heehee*.)- ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Bashing? Date: 27 Jan 1998 10:14:46 -0000 >What would be the reaction if say Kraftwerk members accused TD of ruining >the 'philosophy' of electronic music by putting out endless amounts of >wishy-washy ambient? > >Jules May I put my ambient in your wishy-washy?!!!!!!!! Very good Jules, I think the only albums of TD that stick out in my mind are Phaedra and Force Majure, although I haven't heard everything they have released. I remember when that old 80's TV program 'Street Hawk' was on air I thought I would buy the TD album 'Le Parc' as they had produced the theme music for this show. What a pile of trash, but that's only my opinion! I took the album back to the store and got a refund. Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER STUDENT" Subject: (kw) New Karlsruhe Bootleg Date: 27 Jan 1998 11:51:27 +0000 Hi to all on the list, A new bootleg CD of the Karlsruhe concert is now available in germany (on record fairs, no firm source). Interesting is the fact that it is a different recording to 'ZKM', and the sound quality is quite a bit better: more bass, only very little audience interference. It is clearly not a 'soundboard recording' as the dealer claimed... but I'm 99% sure it has been recorded from the stairs to the VIP area on first floor. Sadly, it misses the 'blooping' intro and the run-out of 'Music non stop', so the completist need both CD's. For anyone who wants the best recording, this is preferable to 'ZKM'. Details: 'Die Rueckkehr der Mensch-Maschine - The Return of the Man Machine', Maschinen Music 1/2000 A/B, dark blue cover with silver titles, photo while playing 'Music non stop'. Bye, Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cyberspace buddha Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #39 Date: 27 Jan 1998 05:25:22 -0600 (CST) Sat, 24 Jan 1998, jbv wrote: > My problem is that I'm pretty lazy/busy at the moment and can't afford > to send almost 4 Mb to 12 or 15 people. And I don't have any personal > page where to put them on line (which is quite stupid for I have 5 Mb > available somewhere). I have effectively unlimited web-space, on more than one server, and am more than willing to host these images. However, all of these servers are in Austin, Tx, and in very close net-proximity. So, if most of 'us' are relatively remote, this might be intollerably slow for some/most. Let me know if you want to take advantage of me. cheers, cb Cyberspace Buddha /(0\ What's on, your mind? mailto:cb@silverchat.com \1)/ http://silverchat.com/~cb Not your fathers buddha. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Bashing? Date: 27 Jan 1998 12:29:21 +0000 Greg Heil wrote: > > (FROESE) "Kraftwerk did a lot of damage to the philosophy of > > electronic music...Kraftwerk's music made it hard for us to do our > > work. There were three or four years in the mid-Eighties when it was > > difficult for people to understand that robotic sounds weren't the > > only music you could make with computers." > > It seems to indicate the commercial sucess and influence of the > Kraftwerk sound. IMHO, it only means that in some ways Kraftwerk conditioned audiences not familiar with electronic instruments and music, making them believe that the only thing that could come out of synthesizers was "mechanical" and "robotic" music, thus imprinting erroneous preconceptions towards all music made with such instruments in the people not captivated by the concept. I don't think the statement has negative overtones at all, despite having its share of exactness and truth. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Gross Subject: (kw) re: Award Date: 27 Jan 1998 09:45:05 -0500 > No flames, please. This is just a legitimate inquiry of Kraftwerk fans, > open to critical discussion. Put away your asbestos suits and > flamethrowers. A bit like punching someone in the nose and saying, "Now don't start getting violent..." ;-) ____________ Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com, cgross@harris-pub.com, golem14@hotmail.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: (kw) Samples from Telephone Call/Housephone? Date: 27 Jan 1998 12:28:09 +0100 Has anyone on the list sampled stuff out of Telephone Calle/ Housephone? Please mail me in that case. I need specially the "The number you have reached has been disconnected" and "The number you call is wrong, please call information." Thanks in advance /anders # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoBot Subject: Re: (kw) Samples from Telephone Call/Housephone? Date: 27 Jan 1998 18:07:32 +0100 At 12:28 1998-01-27 +0100, Anders Wilhelm wrote: > >Has anyone on the list sampled stuff out of Telephone Calle/ >Housephone? Please mail me in that case. I need specially >the "The number you have reached has been disconnected" >and "The number you call is wrong, please call information." > >Thanks in advance >/anders Jag kan rippa fr=E5n EC om du vill till 44.1khz stereo wavar.. //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) Samples from Telephone Call/Housephone? Date: 27 Jan 1998 18:11:42 +0100 Sorry all for the previous reply. It was meant only to Anders. The reply was also using the wrong Name. Sorry again!! Those fingers are too fast sometimes! //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Bashing? Date: 27 Jan 1998 21:17:58 +0100 Paulo Mouat wrote: > > IMHO, it only means that in some ways Kraftwerk conditioned audiences > not familiar with electronic instruments and music, making them believe > that the only thing that could come out of synthesizers was "mechanical" > and "robotic" music, thus imprinting erroneous preconceptions towards > all music made with such instruments in the people not captivated by > the concept. > > I don't think the statement has negative overtones at all, despite > having its share of exactness and truth. > -- Good point, Paulo (as always). May I had a few things : 1- in the early 70s, the situation was quite the opposite : TD used to attract lots of people to their gigs (much more than KW anyway) and I remember that lots of people (at least in my neiborghood) used to listen to Phaedra, Ricochet and Aqua, and had never heard of KW 1 or 2 or 3. 2- in the mid-80s, people were not anymore interested in sitting and tripping for hours, just listening to spacey beat-less drones. The way of life was different, thus leading to more interest in faster/ catchy rythms and poppy melodies. 3- according to the above, I really doubt that "electronic music" per se ever really mattered to the audience... 4- and if it did anyway for a certain part of the audience (geeks, certainly), it is true that right after the introduction of MIDI and the first sequencers on personal computers, it was 10 times easier to run short repetitive MIDI loops driving simple synth patches, than building complex evolution of sophisticated textures (which doesn't imply that IMO TD ever did anything sophisticated). Therefore, the aboundance of cheap gear lead to a massive wave of home-made repetitive / "robotic" synth productions (indeed, tons of indie singles and cassettes in the mid-80s) that overflood the market, and made those guys with their walls covered with huge expensive modulars look like pathetic dinosaurs... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) RE: Award Date: 27 Jan 1998 21:57:58 -0800 Granillo wrote: >For those unaware: in 1992, Kraftwerk received an award for "over a = decade of contributions to synthesizer music." I have but two questions: 1) Who was the organization who awarded this? 2) Why have Tangerine Dream never been awarded in kind, and why on earth would Kraftwerk receive this before they? Kraftwerk are one-tenth as prolific, and one-one-thousandth as creative. < I'm fed up with TD been compared to Kraftwerk just because they're both = German and produce electronic music. TD have been prolific, however, = their output has been shit. Contrast this with Kraftwerk, who've been = very selective in what they've released. It is Kraftwerk who have = developed electronic music in the most creative way possible. TD have = repackaged the same rubbish countless times. >No flames, please. This is just a legitimate inquiry of Kraftwerk fans, open to critical discussion. Put away your asbestos suits and flamethrowers.< If you've joined this list to shovel shit don't expect many friends. I = wouldn't turn up on the TD list and rubbish their pathetic albums. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) More Superior promo items Date: 26 Jan 1998 20:46:19 +0100 (NFT) > The Esprit Mailorder catalogue (www.eil.com) lists some more > Superior promo items in addition to the promo 12" and the promo > 2-track enhanced CD, which were already mentioned here a while back: > > SUPERIOR Album Sampler (Virgin UK 4-trk promo cassette + title inlay) > SUPERIOR Coma (Withdrawn UK 4-trk promo CD, incls Komatrix > Mix by Karl Bartos of Kraftwerk + Baader Meinhof Mix, etc, p/s > VSCDJ1646) Still more Superior promo material (quoted from www.eil.com): SUPERIOR Germ Free (UK 12-trk advance promo cassette + title inlay) UK 4.99 / $ 8.00 SUPERIOR Coma (Unreleased UK 4-trk enhanced CD inc Baader Meinhof Mix, New Pain New Gain Mix & Fibreflex Mix, digipak p/s VSCDG1646) UK 4.99 / $ 8.00 Details for the above mentioned 4-track promo cassette album sampler are: 1. Stampede 2. Coma 3. Faster Than You 4. Polaroid Millenium Source: CD-R Copied 20.06.97 No further credits. The version of "Coma" is the standard version, not the version remixed by Karl Bartos. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Dinger vs. EastWest (part 2) Date: 26 Jan 1998 20:42:38 +0100 (NFT) The main hearing in the lawsuit Klaus Dinger vs. EastWest Records concerning the legitimacy of the three La Duesseldorf CD reissues (see http://http://corona.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/people/gawlista/mucke/eastwest.html) is now scheduled for February, according to the jpc Courier 2/1998. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Pics of KW Date: 26 Jan 1998 20:53:55 +0100 (NFT) > From: jbv > > There's also a few Mb of various ads, articles and reviews from the > same period and mentioning KW, but it has been sent to Klaus already. > So if that stuff doesn't get online, blame him... I've added most of these articles to my "Kraftwerk Online Library" (http://home.t-online.de/home/Zaepke/kraftwer.htm). Due to limited disk space, I've radically reduced the size (and quality!) of the original scans, but most of the writing should be still decipherable. > Last but not least : there's still that 2-pages interview given by > Ralf to a german fanzine in 91, which looks interesting but which I > never finished to translate into english. I've also added low-quality scans from this article ("Es wird immer weitergehen...", Frontpage 7-8/1991) to my "Online Library". The URL for this article is: http://home.t-online.de/home/Zaepke/fp.htm. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Dinger vs. EastWest (part 2) Date: 26 Jan 1998 20:42:38 +0100 (NFT) The main hearing in the lawsuit Klaus Dinger vs. EastWest Records concerning the legitimacy of the three La Duesseldorf CD reissues (see http://http://corona.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/people/gawlista/mucke/eastwest.html) is now scheduled for February, according to the jpc Courier 2/1998. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angela Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Bashing? Date: 27 Jan 1998 19:20:28 -0600 Conditioned? I think this is a mild insult to Kraftwerk's audience. I am a huge > admirer of > Kraftwerk, but I certainly do not limit myself to thinking that all of electronic > music should > be like that, or any types of music for that matter. As far as electronic music > goes, I personally can go from Kraftwerk to Eno to Japan to Jean-Jacques > Perrey(sorry if mispelled) to Human League to whatever, I try to expand my musical > and artistic horizons as much as I can. Sorry if I came off negative. > Yours > truly, Heather D. > > Paulo Mouat wrote: > > > Greg Heil wrote: > > > >IMHO, it only means that in some ways Kraftwerk conditioned audiences > > not familiar with electronic instruments and music, making them believe > > that the only thing that could come out of synthesizers was "mechanical" > > and "robotic" music, thus imprinting erroneous preconceptions towards > > all music made with such instruments in the people not captivated by > > the concept. > > > > I don't think the statement has negative overtones at all, despite > > having its share of exactness and truth. > > -- > > __|__ > > ___\_/___ > > ___ Paulo Mouat, > > |Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > > # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. > > # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. > > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angela Subject: Message Bounce: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Bashing? Date: 27 Jan 1998 19:23:55 -0600 Here,Here. I agree with you totally. It is not Kraftwerk's fault if a certain > audience limits their thinking on how music ought to be. If anything, Froese > should be bitter against the audience that thinks this, not Kraftwerk. For > example, one of my favorite film-makers is John Waters, but does that mean I think > every independent, low budget film should have > transvestites and serial mom's? Of course not! Oh well. Good day to all. > > Yours truly Heather D. > > Jules Seifert wrote: > > > > > This is TD's life long influence and composer Edgar Frose: > > > > > >> (FROESE) "Kraftwerk did a lot of damage to the philosophy of electronic > > >> music...Kraftwerk's music made it hard for us to do our work. There were > > >> three or four years in the mid-Eighties when it was difficult for people > > >to > > >> understand that robotic sounds weren't the only music you could make with > > >> computers." > > > > > >It seems to indicate the commercial sucess and influence of the Kraftwerk > > >sound. > > > > > Yes, and it also brings us back to the old 'what is electronic music' > > debate. Tangerine Dream rightfully have their place in the 'scene' but I > > think it is not their place to accuse ANY band of damaging the 'philosophy' > > of electronic music. Jules > > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > > # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. > > # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. > > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Pics of KW Date: 27 Jan 1998 00:17:33 +0100 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > I've also added low-quality scans from this article ("Es wird immer > weitergehen...", Frontpage 7-8/1991) to my "Online Library". > The URL for this article is: > http://home.t-online.de/home/Zaepke/fp.htm. > > Klaus Zaepke > Great. So, is there anyone out there who will take a couple of hours to translate that thing and post it to the list ? I can understand about 60% of it, but would really like to get the whole thing. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. BTW, if readability of scans is a problem, I have high quality scans of that paper that I can email. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Bashing? Date: 27 Jan 1998 21:36:16 -0500 (EST) On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Greg Heil wrote: > > (FROESE) "Kraftwerk did a lot of damage to the philosophy of electronic > > music...Kraftwerk's music made it hard for us to do our work. There were > > three or four years in the mid-Eighties when it was difficult for people > to > > understand that robotic sounds weren't the only music you could make with > > computers." This strikes me as being about as absurd as a classical-era composer complaining of the inordinate amount of attention Mozart gets, as opposed to his contemporaries. I can see it now...Salieri: "Mozart did a lot of damage to the philosophy of music..." This strikes me as the bitterness of the second-rate. (And I LIKE some of TD's stuff.) John Morgan "'One can't always be high.' Oh no? One The University of Michigan only has to properly orient oneself." jbmorgan@umich.edu --Walter Benjamin http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cdaraghy@bestweb.net (Charlie Daraghy) Subject: (kw) re: ralf interview Date: 27 Jan 1998 21:55:35 -0500 (EST) On 25, January, Ralf Hutter said: Q : A few legends say that the KK studio is full of unreleased tapes... R : Not full, but there are a few tapes... We never recorded a lot, things are rather inside our heads. We have very few archives. = Everything we use for our work is stored as computer data, but there are = very few finished products. When we did EC (...) we didn't act like a singer who checks his cassettes and chooses what he'll put on the album. But we have a lot of computer programs, and we launch them when necessary. (...) Oh, and I plan to post the files on my America Online account website so that dozens of computer geeks (i.e. "fans") can download them. I really hope someone will make a recordable CD-R and bootleg the audio files too, for their own financial gain. This would really please me. Sehr gut. -Ralf -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. ASCII upload complete. p&c Ping Pong Studios 1998 -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Fw: SynthPop NetWork/Release E-Mag Date: 25 Jan 1998 18:30:25 -0800 > From: Kotta > To: Kraftwerk Mailing List > Subject: (kw) Newsgroup > Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 4:31 PM > > hiya, > what about the alt.music.kraftwerk newsgroup, > ever used? Funny thing- I get all the other "alt" news groups, but, I can't find alt.music.kraftwerk on my server. -(Super News? Whatever Humboldt Internet uses.)- There is another KW News Group: uwp.maillist.kraftwerk that is seldom-used, but, it IS on my server. Kotta also asked me if there is a Mobile Homes WebSite, so we can keep tabs on Karl if he IS collaborating with them. Well, I couldn't find any MH WebSites, but, the SynthPop NetWork covers a LOT of different bands. North-American Division: http://nesc.me.utexas.edu/~sball/synthpop.html European Division: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mh/synthpop.html Darn, no MH or Panasonic?? -(I've heard about these guys. Finland, eh? KooL! I gotta hear their tunes!)- So, I poked around some more and found an E-mag called Release On-Line. Click on NEWS, then click on "click here for previous news entries", then click Jan 19th and scroll about halfway down.... here's a brief blurb about Mobile Homes: >> Now The Mobile Homes seems to be back with more than rumours and talk. Preliminary facts tells that there will be a new single in February called "You Bring the Sunshine" and that the new album will be out in March. We get back with the definite facts as soon as they exist. << I read somewhere else that Karl is busy with Electronic. -(I thought they broke up, and so did Elektric Music. Hm-m-m....)- So, I guess he wont be collaborating on this new MH album after all. -????- Dang, where DID I read that? Rats, I lost it. :[ Release On-Line also mentions a re-release of Suicide's first album from 1977, other "Previous News" sections mention S.P.O.C.K, and TOO many other KooL Artists to list. Interesting stuff. ....Whoa! Looky here: KRAFTWERK ALERT!! <*WhooOOP-WhooOOP*> !! -(Dec 10th section, halfway down)- >> Despite all the usual rumours Kraftwerk have not scheduled any releases for the nearest future. Something will be released, but we don't know when or what yet. You just never know with these guys, do you? But their record plans feels more promising now, since the have played live three times this year. The last two apperances was recently in Karlsruhe (Germany) and Linz (Austria). Kraftwerk performed three new, but (still?) instrumental tracks. << *sigh* Sometime late this year, maybe? Altogether now: "DUH-h, Ralf!". Okay- back to the INFOBAHN. Let's see what other goodies I can find.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ Now The Mobile Homes seems to be back with more than rumours and talk. Preliminary facts tells that there will be a new single in February called "You Bring the Sunshine" and that the new album will be out in March. We get back with the definite facts as soon as they exist. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Heil" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Bashing? Date: 26 Jan 1998 22:08:50 -0700 I would just like to hear some comments as being on the Tangerine Dream mailing list, some Kraftwerk stuff pops up every now and then. This is TD's life long influence and composer Edgar Frose: > (FROESE) "Kraftwerk did a lot of damage to the philosophy of electronic > music...Kraftwerk's music made it hard for us to do our work. There were > three or four years in the mid-Eighties when it was difficult for people to > understand that robotic sounds weren't the only music you could make with > computers." It seems to indicate the commercial sucess and influence of the Kraftwerk sound. Greg H. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Mixmag Date: 18 Jan 1998 12:32:42 +0000 The January issue of Mixmag features a brief review of Kraftwerk's 1997 Tribal Gathering appearance. Small live photo ("Homecomputer"). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) RE: Award Date: 27 Jan 1998 23:06:33 -0700 (MST) On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, ROBOT wrote: > > From: Elias Granillo, Jr. > > and one-one-thousandth as creative. > NOT!!!! As I said in my previous post, it's a matter of personal taste. For > my tastes, TD is nice Spacey Hippie ProgRock, but, it doesn't thrill me. > -('Not enough rhythm.)- KW sounds more unique and creative to me- and a lot > less "pretentious". If you don't like KW's minimalist mechanical style, > fine. No one's forcing you to. It's YOUR tastebuds. To each their own. I'm not in any way intending to lend credence to Elias's blasphemous comments by saying this... I will say that people who, like me, aren't turned on by Tangerine Dream should at least give the Dream Mixes disc a try. It's almost listenable in some places. It has something resembling a rhythm, even! /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Fw: (kw) Kraftwerk Bashing? Date: 26 Jan 1998 23:26:31 -0800 > From: Greg Heil > > > (FROESE) "Kraftwerk did a lot of damage to the philosophy of electronic > > music...Kraftwerk's music made it hard for us to do our work. There > > were three or four years in the mid-Eighties when it was difficult for > > people to understand that robotic sounds weren't the only music you > > could make with computers." > > It seems to indicate the commercial sucess and influence of the Kraftwerk > sound. Greg H. I'd say it indicates jealousy. ;] ROBOWINKY Not that there's anything wrong with T.Dream, but, come ON, "damage to the philosophy of electronic music"? Get REAL! Each Artist has his/her own individual concept and philosophy of what his/her Art or Music is and how it should be presented. KW and TD have different concepts of Electronic Music, that's all. It's up to the individual listener's taste as to which concept and presentation is prefered. Oh, shit- My last post DID show up 3 times! Jeez, I'm sorry I cluttered up everyone's Email. I thought my message wasn't received at all. I re-sent it a few hours later and it still didn't show up, so, I sent it a 3rd time. MY mistake, NOT the Server. -(this time.)- *grrr* ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: (kw) What's happenin' Date: 28 Jan 1998 09:01:12 +0100 Hi all ! I'm receiving postings from the list that are up to 10 days old, and some postings arrive several times over a period of up to 3 days. Nope, I'm not thinking of you Robot. I know why your latest posting have showed up three times, but this have happend to a lot of other postings from the list aswell. Am I the only one with this fenomena or are there others who have the same experience? This only happends with postings from the Kraftwerk mailing list. The company I work for have had some problems with their mail server, but they claim that those problems only concerned sending and not receiving. (b t w, have you gotten my latest posting John?). Regards Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (kw) Bartos / Sumner Date: 27 Jan 1998 08:42:27 +0000 >Of course, I was totally unprepared for this, and >couldn't get the damn tape in the machine in time to catch it. All I >remember is Bernard walking into his small studio, and introducing Karl, who >was sitting at a keyboard, playing something. > >Anybody have any more info on this, or even a recording? Yes I do, but I must admit, Karl's apperance was fleeting at best, only sitting in the corner playing keyboards with Electronic as they rehearsed and wrote a track called "A New Religion" (from the Forbidden City single). I have a recording, but unfortunately cannot copy it. Sorry everyone! Now who thinks "The Mix" could've benefited from having "Tour de France" and "The Telephone Call" on it..? -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Erik Knain Subject: (kw) Ultra Rare Trax Date: 28 Jan 1998 09:35:41 +0100 I have seen the Kraftwerk CD called "Ultra Rare Trax" announced. I would appreciate if someone could provide information/ songtitles about it. I presume it is a bootleg, is it live recordings? Is the sound quality satisfying? >Hi all ! > >I'm receiving postings from the list that are up to 10 days old, and >some postings arrive several times over a period of up to 3 days. Nope, >I'm not thinking of you Robot. I know why your latest posting have >showed up three times, but this have happend to a lot of other postings >from the list aswell. >Am I the only one with this fenomena or are there others who have the >same experience? This only happends with postings from the Kraftwerk >mailing list. This has happened to me to. Regards, Erik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Heil" Subject: (kw) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:32:48 -0700 Date: 28 Jan 1998 01:38:14 -0700 another member found this quote. i can't imagine this really being true. maybe some of you who have been to concerts can straghten this out a bit. photos or descriptions could be helpful! maybe they'll tour! MUSIC, COMPUTERS & SOFTWARE 11/88 {TEXT} "During their brief first ---- and probably last ---- American tour in summer 1982, Kraftwerk dazzled and delighted American audiences with a stage set worthy of Walter Pidgeon in "Forbidden Planet." Unfortunately, you didn't need a Ph.D. in electrical engineering to know that a lot of the junk onstage was just props. "Tangerine Dream's facades is not quite as false.....all of their equipment at their three computer music stations is real and in use during the performance..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) What's happenin' Date: 28 Jan 1998 02:08:32 -0700 (MST) On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= wrote: > I'm receiving postings from the list that are up to 10 days old, and > some postings arrive several times over a period of up to 3 days. Nope, > I'm not thinking of you Robot. I know why your latest posting have > showed up three times, but this have happend to a lot of other postings > from the list aswell. > Am I the only one with this fenomena or are there others who have the > same experience? This only happends with postings from the Kraftwerk > mailing list. This happens to me too, but not all the time. I sometimes see messages delayed 3 to 7 days. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) Bartos / Sumner Date: 28 Jan 1998 09:37:46 -0000 > >Now who thinks "The Mix" could've benefited from having "Tour de France" >and "The Telephone Call" on it..? > Well, I for one think the mix could have benefited from not being released ;-) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Talley Subject: Re: (kw) Bartos / Sumner Date: 28 Jan 1998 02:05:22 -0800 I agree with you Jules, the mix isn't what it's all cracked up to be. Part of the reason I really love K is because they combine a very mechanical, analogue and human aspect in their sound. It's almost biological because of it's subtle imperfections and shifts. That's why I can still listen to Radioactivity and hear things that I hadn't heard before. It's like school every time I listen, but the mix I learn nothing from. It's so stagnant and has that constant ZYX emotionless beat. Not a warm, honest attempt - really distanced and exacting. Perhaps they were getting tired of people expecting perfection in the form of laborously created biological music that they slapped everyone in the face with a very cold and non-Kraftwerkian album. Or, maybe they wanted to really test out their new digital equipment, but didn't know how to make it "live" like their older synths and stuff... Who knows the real reasons. I too regret the creation of The Mix and would have much rather settled with recordings of their cooler re-werked versions of old live performances. What was Hutter thinking about when he decided The Mix had Kraftwerk written on it? I'll bet they were sold on digital and heard a possible remake of Radioactivity and Autobahn would settle well and thought the rest of the album would "fall into place". This doesn't sound as calculated as Ralf, but maybe that's the way it happened. The newer material is trying to bring the feel of living sound back, but I have yet to hear and understand where Kraftwerk are trying to go with it. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Poolton Subject: (kw) The Mix-Up??!! Date: 28 Jan 1998 10:20:29 +0000 Now who thinks "The Mix" could've benefited from having "Tour de France" >and "The Telephone Call" on it..? > Well, I for one think the mix could have benefited from not being released ;-) Jules >>> Now now Jules, at least it bought us that awesome reworking of Radioactivity. Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) What's happenin' Date: 28 Jan 1998 08:49:05 +0500 On 28-Jan-98, Sch=E4der Eric wrote: >Hi all ! >I'm receiving postings from the list that are up to 10 days old, and >some postings arrive several times over a period of up to 3 days. = The same thing has been happening to me-- I've been getting postings 3 or= 4 times and seeing replies to messages that I haven't seen yet. And there s= eems to be very little mail of any kind coming through lately-not just from th= is list. Maybe it's a general Internet problem...? (The search engines seem slower as well). -- = Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) Bartos / Sumner Date: 28 Jan 1998 13:07:33 -0000 > I agree with you Jules, the mix isn't what it's all cracked up to be. Part of >the reason I really love K is because they combine a very mechanical, analogue and >human aspect in their sound. > Well, there's one to put in my diary:- Wed 28th Jan 1998 - Hurrah, somebody agrees with me! Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Bartos / Sumner Date: 28 Jan 1998 13:38:14 -0000 >> I agree with you Jules, the mix isn't what it's all cracked up to be. >Part of >>the reason I really love K is because they combine a very mechanical, >analogue and >>human aspect in their sound. >> >Well, there's one to put in my diary:- > >Wed 28th Jan 1998 - Hurrah, somebody agrees with me! Public Announcement: Two KW list members agreed today, Wednesday 28 January 1998, whilst discussing negative issues about the famous German band Kraftwerk. Does this mean the end of life as we know it,.............will the geeks of yesterday become the philosophers of tomorrow? Does Klaus have every KW release ever? Will Jules, Rich and Craig ever meet? Can we expect a new KW LP this year?,.......now that is ridiculous!!!!!!! Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: (kw) Re: Award Date: 28 Jan 1998 10:22:45 EST On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:57:58 -0800 **************** writes: > . TD have been prolific, however, = >their output has been shit. Contrast this with Kraftwerk, who've been >= >very selective in what they've released. It is Kraftwerk who have = >developed electronic music in the most creative way possible. TD have >= >repackaged the same rubbish countless times. my my...another insightful commentary by mr. mode...the usual buzz words: "shit output" ..."creative kraftwerk"..."repackaged rubbish"...all sounds really perceptive, but is backed up by what? zippo...they musta had u in mind when they coined the phrase ignorance is bliss... >If you've joined this list to shovel shit don't expect many friends. I >= >wouldn't turn up on the TD list and rubbish their pathetic albums. > why dont you? u might learn something.... tom w np: sons of silence - silence fm _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) The Mix-Up??!! Date: 28 Jan 1998 13:05:58 -0000 > >>>> Now now Jules, at least it bought us that awesome reworking of Radioactivity. >Rich > Yes indeed! A red rose in a VAT of shit! ;-) Julsey # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: (kw) Da bootleg report part 3 - KW "Tribal Gathering" Date: 28 Jan 1998 15:25:18 -0400 Hi... I just could get the bootleg " KRAFTWERK - TRIBAL GATHERING" - very well done, really don't look like a boot! It's a 1CD, with [Schneider's?] Robot on the front cover, black/yellow, moving very 'fast'. back cover: photo from the show, the 4 guys under the image screens, klingkling stuff, & the audience bellow. written: "Recorded live at the Tribal Gathering - Luton England 05 24 97" DANCING HORSE - DH-010 - NOT FOR SALE - PROMOTIONAL COPY... Tracklist: 1. Numbers 2. Computerworld 3. Radioactivity 4. Transeurope Express 5. Pocket Calculator 6. The Robots [ and not indicated on the CD tracklist - 7. Robotnik?] Well, I was very happy when I got this CD. When I came home, I put on the player and started listening... Good audio quality, but not so good stereo image... OK, no problema... When the Robovoice started to introduce the show, I though... "ohh... this is sounding different... "... Ok, it's nice when things sound different from show to show... When the numbers rythm started, it was sounding really slow... ok again, I though... But when Huetter started singing in computerworld... Just when he started singing I could see that... tracks 1 and 2 are slower than should be (it was nicely recorded, but played at the wrong speed!!!) and that made me remember of reading here on the list that someone told about the BBC (?) radio transmission of this concert with such error... so I understand !!! THIS CD was taken from that Radio broadcast and do not feature the complete show... the first two tracks are at wrong speed (slower and more bass) [sorry for my alien english], but the rest is ok... price paid here in Brazil: US$ 40... (middle to high priced) is it possible to get another one from this????? -> NO!! Why? Because it was sold to me by [an almost 'friend'], the owner of a record shop I know from a long time... when he was travelling (in honeymoon!) in Spain/Italy/France some days ago, he bought this one for me - but I don't know where... He surely paid less, like US$ 20 or 25, but no less than that... That's life! keep tunned for the next Da bootleg report (4), featuring the [old?] bootleg "KRAFTWERK - WERK". bye for now... P.S.: I've got in my hands the japanese CD " '72 LIVE! NEU! in Duesseldorf - 6 may " Captain Trip CTCD045... And I don't want it - if anybody would like to exchange it with me for KW bootlegs, please contact me privately at < avellar@softhome.net >. THANX!!! Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Xav" Subject: Re: (kw) What's happenin' Date: 29 Jan 1998 01:32:35 +0800 > From: Sch=E4der Eric > Am I the only one with this fenomena or are there others who have the > same experience? This only happends with postings from the Kraftwerk > mailing list. I do have the same experience, but only on the kw mailing list ! xavier sck8914@singnet.com.sg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Fw: (kw) What's happenin' Date: 28 Jan 1998 09:46:51 -0800 > >I'm receiving postings from the list that are up to 10 days old, and > >some postings arrive several times over a period of up to 3 days. Yeah- dammitt, I know _I_ screwed up and sent ONE of my messages 3 times, but, a bunch of OTHER messages -(from myself and others)- also came in 2-3 times. Weird. On a lighter note: > From: Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR >> I just could get the bootleg " KRAFTWERK - TRIBAL GATHERING" - very well done, really don't look like a boot! It's a 1CD, with [Schneider's?] Robot on the front cover, black/yellow, moving very 'fast'. >> "Schneider's Robot" -ooh, yeah- I like the sound of that!*HeeHee*! :] ROBOSMILEY ROBOT@humboldt1.com -(Florian's LoveDroid)- http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wtalley Subject: Re: (kw) RE: Award Date: 28 Jan 1998 10:06:48 -0800 > Elias, Ok, I guess this is a "ligitimate" type of question, but assuming that one group is more creative than the other is really subjective. I feel that Kraftwerk have stayed completely true to their style. They have created music that is easily identifiable as theirs. Tangerine Dream (I do enjoy them as well) have varied their "style" that I'm unsure when I listen to a piece whether they did it or one of thousands of other artists that can emulate them produced it. This is not a "dis" on TD (Phaedra is one of my top ten favorite CD's), but for me it really says volumes about how remarkable each groups style truely is... For a while, I wasn't sure if I was listening to Tangerine Dream or Patrick O'Hearn. Oh, and "Rockoon" or whatever that blasted title is made me completely turn away from TD for a long time, whereas K have never produced a piece that I absolutely detest. Computer World has not been surpassed yet in my opinion. No group has made a more complete album. I enjoy TD, but K are my true love.Bill > > > > > > Elias Granillo, Jr. wrote: > > > > > For those unaware: in 1992, Kraftwerk received an award for "over a decade > > > of contributions to synthesizer music." I have but two questions: > > > > > > 1) Who was the organization who awarded this? > > > 2) Why have Tangerine Dream never been awarded in kind, and why on earth > > > would Kraftwerk receive this before they? Kraftwerk are one-tenth as > > > prolific, and one-one-thousandth as creative. > > > > > > No flames, please. This is just a legitimate inquiry of Kraftwerk fans, > > > open to critical discussion. Put away your asbestos suits and > > > flamethrowers. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Some excerpts from the Tangerine Dream mailing list Date: 28 Jan 1998 19:25:39 +0100 (NFT) It may be of interest that the current Tangerine Dream debate here is also discussed on the Tangerine Dream mailing list. Here are a few excerpts from this debate: ======== Quotes from tadream@cs.uwp.edu (tadream mailing list) ======= What I notice from the Kraftwerk people is the total non-understanding that TD evolves and changes--I guess they listen to a few albums and consider all of TD as represented on a few albums. Yet, many would not disagree if I made the comment that Kraftwerk over fewer than 5 albums is a good representation of the group in itself. And upon hearing two of those albums, a person will know what Kraftwerk is all about.. *and* what Kraftwerk will ever be.. they are two different groups.. very distant! ====================================================================== > It is Kraftwerk who have developed electronic music in the most > creative way possible. TD have repackaged the same rubbish countless > times. If what the KW person means by "the most creative way possible" is focusing exclusively on relations between technology and society, redoing the same old tunes countless times in new styles (think TD's got a problem with Dream Mixes?), and making dubious promises about new material that is pushed back year after year, then they're right. With a comment like this, I'd have to agree that most KW fans don't understand TD very well. Although I do count myself as a KW fan, I got off the KW list because of ill-concieved and overbearing statements like these which I found were all too common there; they seem to be hung up on KW as major artistes (said with faux flair). ========================================================================= To compare a very active group (TD) and a relatively inactive one (Kraftwerk, not a single release since 1991), the discussion seems not of much value, given that the only common points are 1) they are both German and 2) they are both synth music. No much else in common. In fact, if one compares TD's 3 major product lines: studio work, live/tour material and soundtrack work (released + unreleased, the latter even the most hardcore fan(s) hasn't listened to) with those of Kraftwerk, it will become very obvious that TD is the most prolific of all (except maybe Klaus Schulze or Roedelius/Cluster or maybe Vangelis), Kraftwerk has done a lot less and no more meaningful to discuss any more. If a discussion/comparison is ever made involving Kraftwerk, the other artist under discussion should be MICHAEL ROTHER, since 1) Michael was also on the earliest Kraftwerk line-up; 2) Michael's few releases of solo material, in terms of amount, is similar to Kraftwerk; 3) both played simple synth music (in terms of song structure; 4) Michael's music is more 'warm music', more on the human side, Kraftwerk, in contrast, is more 'cold music', more on the machine side. ========================================================================= Kraftwerk gave their music an intellectual context. They didn't hide the fact that it was cold and machine-made; in fact, they exploited that connection (wheras TD has always insisted that they were injecting humanity into the machine). Not only did Kraftwerk use synths, but they explored public fascination and fear of the same technology that they were using. In a way, the themes explored in 'Computer World' are even more relevant today. But at the same time, while people may still feel somewhat threatened by technology, we've also had to accept it as a necessary part of our lives. No longer are they big and clunky with glowing green VDTs; quite obviously foreign and intimidating. The computer is our friend, and necessary for a prosperous career in the nasty 90s. Scare-mongering about computer control, and claiming that our very lives are becoming robotic (as Kraftwerk did) is now a heresy. Kraftwerk seized the moment when computers were in their ascedency, and made the most of it. But the moment passed, and once that pose got old, they had nowhere to go, musically or intellectually. TD, it seems to me, is taking the other tactic. They accept the fact that technology is here, but their music is not *about* the technology. The computers are just another new tool for them, just as acrylic paints were the latest tool for artists a few decades ago. They simultaneously adapt to technology's retrictions while at the same time they bend it to their will. It is a attitude that has served them well, leading as it has to a long-lasting career. ======================================================================== I think it's important since Kraftwerk has been getting so much of the recognition.. and it was my thinking that this whole computerized sound that they employed and copied by other artists eventually got massively rejected (what was rejected was the copiers stuff) bythe culture... and thus like what happened to Disco with rock happened in a lesser way with the then 80ish wave with the Alternative/Grunge stuff of the 90's. TD has evolved, Kraftwerk rides on their past.. I like Kraftwerk a whole lot.. from the mid to late 70ies stuff was great.. But Edgar has a point... ========================================================================= Edgar has a point though, and even though I enjoy the Kraftwerk stuff--I can see why the robot paradigm is still hanging tough. Its commercial success also indicates a destined commercial crash. Now, as I see it, Kraftwerk is decidedly taken the current dance craze, the current unreleased stuff from a 97 concert tour indicate the same old robots with the ole Kling Klang stuff to boot. ======================================================================== well, let's see i am a kraftwerk fan ( faves: RALF AND FLORIAN & TRANS-EUROPE EXP. ), but just because they used to be a big revenue generator does not make them of any more value than madonna. i believe we are all discussing, in our own ways, the ineffable qualities the music seems to have for us. and for me, over the last seventeen years tangerine dream has provided more emotional and intellectual gratification than kraftwerk. this does not mean i do not respect kraftwerk's synthesiis of image, marketing, and music ( and believe me, a boatload of people noticed ), but at the end of the day the music is, for me, the most important thing. and judging by my responses to both bands, tangerine dream is the more musiclly satisfying. ============ End of quotes ============================================= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "willfred" Subject: (kw) re: tdream postings Date: 28 Jan 1998 13:49:10 -0800 hey, thanks klaus z. for posting my comments about kraftwerk ( last post on list ). you forgot to post the comment that i made about my favorite kraftwerk albums ( Ralf and Florian, Trans-Europe Express ). i think one can really love BOTH bands. it seems to me that there are people on both mailing lists who are bored and want some sort of flame war. no thanks. i like both groups and mailing lists. huggums, bill2. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) re: tdream postings Date: 28 Jan 1998 20:17:32 +0100 (NFT) > you forgot to post the comment that i made about my favorite > kraftwerk albums ( Ralf and Florian, Trans-Europe Express ). I've tried not to put anything out of context, and I'm sure that your comment about your favourite Kraftwerk albums *was* included. But it is of course true that my previous mail contained just some short excerpts from the whole debate, so if anyone is interested in the full thread, he/she can get it from the usual sources, like http://www.reference.com, for example. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DepecheCBI Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk & Tangerine Dream Date: 28 Jan 1998 15:49:38 EST Well, Kraftwerk and TD really are different groups, they produce(d) diffe= rent=0Aelctronic music; I like both groups, but the following statement i= s=0Aridiculous:=0A=0A> (FROESE) "Kraftwerk did a lot of damage to the phi= losophy of electronic=0A> music...Kraftwerk's music made it hard for us t= o do our work. There were=0A> three or four years in the mid-Eighties whe= n it was difficult for people to=0A> understand that robotic sounds weren= 't the only music you could make with=0A> computers." =0A=0AI would say, = Froese himself "did a lot of damage to the philosophy of=0Aelectronic mus= ic": just listen to TD=B4s output during the (late) 80s and 90s;TD=0Alost= their spirit. [perhaps Kraftwerk have the same problem now?]=0AI think, = it=B4s really a problem for those "dinosaurs" to be innovative these=0Ada= ys, because many people are able to produce electronic sounds now.=0ABut = Kraftwerk seem to be what they were, whereas TD mutated into a bloody "Ne= w=0AAge"-band, producing boring "music" (listening to them often is a tor= ture now=0A- when Froese jr. plays his guitar, yuck!). Just compare "Tour= nado" with=0A"Ricochet" !!! (another pont: compare Kraftwerk-concerts wit= h TD-concerts=0Atoday!)=0AI think, the ORB and other (techno-) trance-pro= jects are the evoulution of=0Awhat TD were in the 70s. =0A=0A=0ACarsten B= olte. Kiel.=0A # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) Tangerine Dream / Kraftwerk Date: 28 Jan 1998 09:27:54 +0000 >TD have been prolific, however, = >>their output has been shit. Well, why are Kraftwerk better in my opinion than Tangerine Dream? Kraftwerk have not been anywhere near so prolific and consequently, have a generally higher quality control. If TD had only released say 10 albums in 31 years then therefore the overall quality would've been much higher across the period in question. Some could say of course that Kraftwerk are lazy but on the other hand, you could say they know the values of restraint and the dangers of overexposure. Additionally Kraftwerk have more vision in terms of image, world view and lyrical / political standpoint. The two bands have only two things in common, nationality and nature of equipment. In my experience TD's sound is based more on sonic texture over melody - whilst melody has generally been a Kraftwerk strong point along with a uniquely definable sound. Kraftwerk also have more showmanship and, in fact using props, such as the calculators etc.. show them to be, in my opinion a group with a stronger and more valid artistic vision, direction, and musical output. There is a danger with flooding the megastores of this world with over 40 albums with such thrilling titles as "Live In Poland", for example.. ALSO: Following the aborted reissue of "The Man Machine" it is now deleted in the UK and has been since June. Does anyone know of any plans for a full reissue of the back catalogue? Apparently Ralf thwarted it as he took offence at the "100 Years Of EMI" booklet to come in the set. and for The Mix, well, it's not fantastic.. but if you disregard Kraftwerk's past track record and see it an introudction or greatest Hits album it really is astoundingly good. More like Music Full Stop.. -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Some excerpts from the Tangerine Dream mailing list Date: 28 Jan 1998 20:35:37 -0800 Klaus, I realise that some Kraftwerk fans may also be interested in TD, = although I am not one of them. Please understand I am not criticising = you for posting the TD list material this time, however, I would be = grateful if you don't repeat the exercise. mode.123 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Re: Award Date: 28 Jan 1998 20:31:59 -0800 >my my...another insightful commentary by mr. mode...the usual buzz = words: "shit output" ..."creative kraftwerk"..."repackaged rubbish"...all = sounds really perceptive, but is backed up by what? zippo...they musta had u in mind when they coined the phrase ignorance is bliss...< If you insist on slinging personal abuse in my direction please aim = directly at me. Hitting the list as well as me doesn't do anyone any = favours. OK we have different opinions, however, I've lost count of how = many times I've read that Kraftwerk are the most influential electronic = band of all time. The crisp and creative, progressive and pervasive = output of Kraftwerk at their creative peak contrasts with the pompous = and ponderous, tedious and tiresome output of TD. I can't remember any = credible critic hypothesising that TD have influenced modern music like = Kraftwerk have. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Some excerpts from the Tangerine Dream mailing list Date: 28 Jan 1998 23:34:23 +0100 **************** wrote: > > Klaus, > > I realise that some Kraftwerk fans may also be interested in TD, although I am not one of them. Please understand I am not criticising you for posting the TD list material this time, however, I would be grateful if you don't repeat the exercise. > > mode.123 Be a good boy, Klaus... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SR Records Subject: RE: (kw) Re: Award Date: 28 Jan 1998 17:46:04 EST In a message dated 1/28/98 10:13:09 PM, you wrote: <> Actually - I've seen *very* few times when Kraftwerk's name has been mentioned in any electronic music books or encyclopedias........I have, however, seen TD's name mentioned in electronic music history books when speaking about electronics in late 20th century pop music............of course, Yes and Brian Eno are there as well but Kraftwerk is very rarely seen........... I usually find Kraftwerk mentioned in books that deal directly with pop music, but still, TD's name is usually found more often than Kraftwerk's when talking about influential electronic artist even in these books. For the record, I personally like Kraftwerk more than TD but find pleasing items in both bands (TD only up until 1979, unfortunetly......) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fer" Subject: RE: (kw) Re: Award Date: 29 Jan 1998 00:44:59 +0100 >>> I can't remember any credible critic hypothesising that TD have influenced modern music like Kraftwerk have. <<< I remember reading at my university this book by Paul Manning, I forgot its title, probably just "Electronic Music" or something like that; anyway it was pretty damn good (imho), and I was very surprised cos Kraftwerk weren't mentioned in it AT ALL. Tangerine Dream and a lot of other bands and composers did appear on it tho. I dunno if this guy is a "credible critic" for ya. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? --Fer. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: (kw) KW Media Center Update and NEW SERVER! Date: 28 Jan 1998 16:53:03 PST KW Media Center Update and NEW SERVER! The Kraftwerk Media Center has been updated with a preview of The Robots VR Movie, in the same style as Mensch Maschine VR. NEW SERVER! I have moved my web pages, including the Kraftwerk Media Center to a new web server. You can go to The Kraftwerk Media Center by going to http://petenet.dragonfire.net Also drop by my home page at http://petenet.dragonfire.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Bartos / Sumner Date: 28 Jan 1998 23:55:27 -0700 (MST) On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Jules Seifert wrote: > >Now who thinks "The Mix" could've benefited from having "Tour de France" > >and "The Telephone Call" on it..? > Well, I for one think the mix could have benefited from not being released > ;-) And I for one would benefit greatly from seeing a Mix II. ;) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Tangerine Dream / Kraftwerk Date: 28 Jan 1998 20:58:04 -0500 I think we're comparing apples and oranges again, folks. TD's more "new agey," or contemporary instrumental, while KW is more pop-oriented. I'm a fan of both groups, but KW's the real gods. More people listen to pop-oriented music rather than new age, so it's obvious in this case why KW has been more influential. BTW, TD's "Poland," that live album you mentioned, Mark R., from 1984, is actually a brilliant piece of work. And, anyway, Klaus Schulze's much better than TD. Peace. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Talley Subject: Re: (kw) Bartos / Sumner Date: 29 Jan 1998 00:31:38 -0800 > On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Jules Seifert wrote: > > > >Now who thinks "The Mix" could've benefited from having "Tour de France" > > >and "The Telephone Call" on it..? > > > Well, I for one think the mix could have benefited from not being released > > ;-) > > And I for one would benefit greatly from seeing a Mix II. ;) Here, here!!! Let's see some new stuff! Their driving me CRAZY!! Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Award / Credible Critic Date: 29 Jan 1998 09:38:33 -0000 >I dunno if this guy is a "credible critic" for ya. >Does anyone know what I'm talking about? > Yea, this brings us back to the old debate about what is a critic, and who says what is right or wrong. It would be interesting if we could define what a Credible Critic really is. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) Some excerpts from the Tangerine Dream mailing list Date: 29 Jan 1998 09:34:36 -0000 > >**************** wrote: >> >> Klaus, >> >> I realise that some Kraftwerk fans may also be interested in TD, although I am not one of them. Please understand I am not criticising you for posting the TD list material this time, however, I would be grateful if you don't repeat the exercise. >> >> mode.123 > > >Be a good boy, Klaus... > I tend to agree with Klaus (ppl take note, it's not a regular occurrence), it is interesting to read the views of those folk on the TD list, considering the background of the two groups and in the light of the comments made by Froese. However, in the interest of equality (if that still exists) I hope he's copying KW mails to the TD list, particularly the recent post by Mark Reed. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Phrases Date: 29 Jan 1998 11:20:10 +0100 (NFT) > I can't remember any credible critic hypothesising that TD have influenced > modern music like Kraftwerk have. A huge collection of quotes from music critics can be found at the official Tangerine Dream WWW site (http://www.tadream.com/tadream/critics.html). The interesting thing is that many phrases on this page are more or less identical to phrases often used by Kraftwerk critics. In fact it could be almost a collection of Kraftwerk press quotes, if some names and album titles are replaced. Maybe this indicates how serious such phrases can be taken in general... ;-) Some examples: "avantgarde rock ensemble", "influenced everything", "remain an unstoppable force on the cutting edge of progressive music", "electronic pioneer and sound avantgardist", "ambitious synthesizer experiments", "pioneers and arguable the most significant of electronic bands", "even techno-gurus pay respect", "world's leading electronic group", "man in control of technology", "intelligent and varied use of synthesizers", "without them, computer techniques like Sequencers and many other things just wouldn't have been invented", "forerunners and longtime innovators of the electronic aspect of music", "They have always investigated and used the current state-of-the-art technology". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Some excerpts from the Tangerine Dream mailing list Date: 29 Jan 1998 12:56:07 +0100 > >**************** wrote: > >> > >> Klaus, > >> > >> I realise that some Kraftwerk fans may also be interested in TD, although > I am not one of them. Please understand I am not criticising you for posting > the TD list material this time, however, I would be grateful if you don't > repeat the exercise. > >> > >> mode.123 > > > > > > JBV wrote : > >Be a good boy, Klaus... > > Jules Seifert wrote: > > I tend to agree with Klaus (ppl take note, it's not a regular occurrence), He, what makes you think I don't agree with Klaus ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Phrases Date: 29 Jan 1998 12:55:41 +0100 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > = > A huge collection of quotes from music critics can be found at the > official Tangerine Dream WWW site > Some examples: > "without them, computer techniques like Sequencers and > many other things just wouldn't have been invented" Jeez ! Was it written as a contest for the worst bullshit of the year ? BTW, this IS NOT an attack against TD : if the above had been written about KW or any other band, I would also consider it as bullshit. ------------------- Jules Seifert" wrote : > Yea, this brings us back to the old debate about what is a critic, and = who > says what is right or wrong. It would be interesting if we could define= what > a Credible Critic really is. As for a contribution to this mostly interesting debate, I would say it's easier to define what IS NOT a credible critic (for instance, clich=E9s such as the above sentence about TD, which generaly aren't backed up by any checkable / tangible fact or element of proof). jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) Phrases Date: 29 Jan 1998 12:54:11 -0000 > Yea, this brings us back to the old debate about what is a critic, and who > says what is right or wrong. It would be interesting if we could define what > a Credible Critic really is. As for a contribution to this mostly interesting debate, I would say it's easier to define what IS NOT a credible critic (for instance, clichés such as the above sentence about TD, which generaly aren't backed up by any checkable / tangible fact or element of proof). > Interesting, it most probably is, but you have missed a fundamental point in that what you seem to be describing is a scientist, not a critic. Surely a critic does not have to base anything on proven fact, merely objective opinion? Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Late Comer....! Date: 29 Jan 1998 14:03:50 -0000 ...well I am here, a bit late, but would like to add something to the TD vs KW debate. It appears to me that what really started this discussion was the comment from the TD band member Herr Froese regarding Kraftwerk's negative effect on the electronic music scene. Well I look at it like this, if some people started to follow and even prefer KW rather than TD it doesn't mean to say that they are better, it's probably just the direction those people wanted to see electronic music taken. Others of course will disagree, they may prefer the ambient sound of TD with their long sonic soundscapes building like a huge fantasy novel. I myself like both, and, many other types of electronic music, Sakamoto, Numan, early Human League, modern Techno and that is what I choose to like. I am not saying that the paths maybe Numan and other artists took are better than anyone else's, it's just that their style strikes a chord for me. Plus I am sure that most of us listen to more than just KW! Depending on the mood we are in, we choose our music style accordingly. Also, the way modern music has developed today has resulted through musicians being influenced by all types of music, even Techno/ambient groups like the Orb of today recognise both TD and KW and the individual qualities each band displayed. There will always be some who say, "Keep this list for Kraftwerk only"! Although this is a KW list, it's good to discuss the bigger picture, afterall hasn't Stockhausen, Numan, Depeche Mode and numerous others been mentioned before in the effort to reinforce KW's development and music?! Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Late Comer....! Date: 29 Jan 1998 11:34:18 EST On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:03:50 -0000 "Craig Land" writes: > >...well I am here, a bit late, but would like to add something to the >TD vs >KW debate. It appears to me that what really started this discussion >was >the comment from the TD band member Herr Froese regarding Kraftwerk's >negative effect on the electronic music scene. > i think what edgar meant was that kw influenced the wrong type of people to become electronic musicians...the beautiful simplicity of a tune like autobahn spawned a whole generation of people that said: "i can do that"...therefore, u got that whole slew of crap that came out in the 80s, which is now unfortunately beginning to repeat itself in the 90s...edgar realized that there is more to being an electronic musician than a tinkerer...one has to be a adept musician first...not kws fault per se, just the wrong interpretation by the hoi polloi... tom w np: haslinger - world without rules _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: (kw) Re: Award Date: 29 Jan 1998 11:34:18 EST On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:31:59 -0800 **************** writes: > >>my my...another insightful commentary by mr. mode...the usual buzz = >words: >"shit output" ..."creative kraftwerk"..."repackaged rubbish"...all = >sounds >really perceptive, but is backed up by what? zippo...they musta had u >in >mind when they coined the phrase ignorance is bliss...< > >If you insist on slinging personal abuse in my direction please aim = >directly at me. Hitting the list as well as me doesn't do anyone any = >favours. public innanity requires a public response... OK we have different opinions, however, I've lost count of >how = >many times I've read that Kraftwerk are the most influential >electronic = >band of all time. u believe everything you read? The crisp and creative, progressive and pervasive = >output of Kraftwerk at their creative peak contrasts with the pompous >and ponderous, tedious and tiresome output of TD. I can't remember any >credible critic hypothesising that TD have influenced modern music >like = >Kraftwerk have. > pervasive output? u call their meager output pervasive? on what? volkswagen commercials? disco? what u seem to forget is that td is about musicians, not about influence...some of the better (imo) composers and musicians have been part of that group...people who have gone on to be creative in their own right, and not just in the musical arts, but also in multimedia, video and film...in other words, the sum total of the parts of td, overshadow anything kw has done or will ever do...tds influence, recognized or not, is way more pervasive... tom w np: td - electronic orgy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Some excerpts from the Tangerine Dream mailing list Date: 29 Jan 1998 11:34:18 EST On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:34:36 -0000 "Jules Seifert" writes: > >> >>**************** wrote: >>> >>> Klaus, >>> >>> I realise that some Kraftwerk fans may also be interested in TD, >although >I am not one of them. Please understand I am not criticising you for >posting >the TD list material this time, however, I would be grateful if you >don't >repeat the exercise. >>> >>> mode.123 >> >> >>Be a good boy, Klaus... >> >I tend to agree with Klaus (ppl take note, it's not a regular >occurrence), >it is interesting to read the views of those folk on the TD list, >considering the background of the two groups and in the light of the >comments made by Froese. However, in the interest of equality (if that >still >exists) I hope he's copying KW mails to the TD list, particularly the >recent >post by Mark Reed. > >Jules yes, this is happening.... tom w np: td - electronic orgy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Dots/FAQ/TD Date: 29 Jan 1998 10:38:54 +0000 At 9:23 am +0000 26/1/98, MARKUS REINEVIK wrote: >The (very interesting ;-] ) question is: >Is his last name Flur (without two dots) or Fl=FCr (with two dots or >"P=FCnktchen" (or whatever the German word might be))? Who didn't read the FAQ, then? The section you need is at http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/members.html#names I'll take this opportunity to mention that I will be updating the FAQ as soon as I can (once I clear some other matters out of my way); this will mostly involve making it more concise (in particular, since old Kraftwerk Digests are no longer archived numerically, the references to them might as well be removed). As always, it should all be ready before the next Kraftwerk album. >:-) At 7:25 pm +0100 28/1/98, Klaus Zaepke wrote: >It may be of interest that the current Tangerine Dream debate here >is also discussed on the Tangerine Dream mailing list. Klaus, please refrain from forwarding rational, mature discussions to this list. You'll confuse us all. :-D It's perhaps (or perhaps not) worth drawing a further comparison between KW and TD: the former don't make any records, but do collaborate with instrument manufacturers; the latter make too many records, all of which seemed to be designed as demo discs for instrument manufacturers. But when they were in their prime (rather in their current incarnation as the Froese family business) IMO they did some fine work, and everyone needs a copy of 'Phaedra'... ;-) K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Phrases Date: 29 Jan 1998 18:07:18 +0100 Jules Seifert wrote: > > Interesting, it most probably is, but you have missed a fundamental point in > that what you seem to be describing is a scientist, not a critic. Surely a > critic does not have to base anything on proven fact, merely objective > opinion? > > Jules > Mmmmh... Sorry, but nope. A scientist acts in a different intellectual environment : he jumps to conclusions from reproductible facts (under similar conditions). Actually, the approach is even more complex (hypothesis, experimental test, validation / unvalidation of the hypothesis). In other words, the scientist builds the experimental test that will allow him to validate (or not) the hypothesis he made in the first place. As for a critic of artistic matters (music, movie, litterature...), it's impossible to build any experimental test to validate a hypothesis. Of course, it's possible to interview the artists, and that might bring many clues, but it has nothing to do with scientific experimentation. So, my humble opinion is that a critic must have a large knowledge / cultural background of the field he/she is investigating / reviewing. But the goal is not to just show off with large amounts of irrelevant quotes and references. The goal is merely to use them judiciously in order to progress in the knowledge of the investigated topic. In the case of a german techno-pop band, such elements could be searched in bios of the members, historical / sociological elements from the country in which they grew up, musicologic & historical elements from the music field in which they operate, etc, etc. That's why such statements as (for instance) "the pioneering German electronic artists" that can be found at www.swcp.com/lazlo/Lists/#kraftwerk as an introduction to the present list, or most of the quotes that Klaus found at TD's WWW, are misleading and boring, because they don't resist any simple investigation. Of course, personal opinions and tastes of the critic appear every now and then in what he writes or says, simply through the elements he chooses to back up his statements, or even simply by choosing that specific field of investigation. For instance, if you read the interviews of KW used by Bussy in his book (at least those published in the 70s & 80s in french mags), you'll notice that he skipped several very interesting parts. IMO that shows what he's mainly interested in... and what he's interested (or not) in proving (or not)... BUT of course, on top of everything, there's the mag in which the critic is writing, whose purpose is different from an encyclopedia. The content of a mag is more "oriented" than an encyclopedia, and has as much to do with trends and fashions than with objective facts... Every mag has a "line of opinions" in order to keep (and eventually expand) its audience, and every crew member is supposed to "follow" more or less that line... But I think that REALLY talented critics (Nick Kent, Lester Bangs...) shape the general opinion of their mags, and even trends among the audience... But that's another story... ------------ And BTW, what is "objective opinion" ? Sounds like an oxymoron to me... Cheers, jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (kw) Phrases Date: 29 Jan 1998 10:23:34 -0700 (MST) > That's why such statements as (for instance) "the pioneering German > electronic artists" that can be found at > www.swcp.com/lazlo/Lists/#kraftwerk > as an introduction to the present list, or most of the quotes that > Klaus found at TD's WWW, are misleading and boring, because they don't > resist any simple investigation. I'm sorry that my use of this simple four-word descriptive phrase on a web page does not live up to your exacting intellectual standards. Just out of curiosity's sake, is your quibble with "pioneering", "artists", "electronic", or "German"? Perhaps when you're done tilting at windmills in this thread you can come up with an alternative that you find less misleading and/or more directly engaging to you personally. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Award Date: 29 Jan 1998 18:14:21 +0100 thomas m weibrecht wrote: > > what u seem to forget is that td is about musicians, not about > influence...some of the better (imo) composers and musicians have been > part of that group...people who have gone on to be creative in their own > right, and not just in the musical arts, but also in multimedia, video > and film... Yes, like Schnitzler who was kicked out by Froese (as well as a few others AFAIR, according to J. Cope's book on Krautrock)... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Dots/FAQ/TD Date: 29 Jan 1998 18:24:53 +0100 Kevin Busby wrote: > > and everyone needs a copy of 'Phaedra'... ;-) > > K Sure, ambient freesbie is great ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) Phrases Date: 29 Jan 1998 17:50:22 -0000 jbv:--- > >Mmmmh... Sorry, but nope. A scientist acts in a different intellectual >environment : he jumps to conclusions from reproductible facts (under >similar conditions). Actually, the approach is even more complex >(hypothesis, experimental test, validation / unvalidation of the >hypothesis). In other words, the scientist builds the experimental >test that will allow him to validate (or not) the hypothesis he made >in the first place. > Sounds kinda like the kind of critic you were describing before to me....and also music can be also seen as an empirical technique too. > >And BTW, what is "objective opinion" ? Sounds like an oxymoron to me... > Are you implying that critics cannot be objective without being oxymoron's? hehehe, s'a bit harsh no? Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Late Comer....! Date: 29 Jan 1998 19:06:20 +0100 Craig Land wrote: > > Although this is a KW list, it's good to discuss the bigger picture, Craig, I love you !!! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Phrases Date: 29 Jan 1998 19:31:32 +0100 Jules Seifert wrote: > > Sounds kinda like the kind of critic you were describing before to me.... If you got that feeling, it's probably due to my poor english. In both cases I used the word "facts", but it takes a different meaning in each context. As I mentioned in my second post, when a scientist backs up a theory with facts, it MUST be reproductible facts. Furthermore, when reproducing the experiment, one must be able to apply variations on one parameter at a time, while all the rest remains exactly the same. For instance, let's say that a critic can't wake up in the morning (yes, I know, most of them wake up in the middle of the afternoon ;-) ) and say : "OK, today let's see what The MIX would sound like if Bartos and Flur hadn't left the band". Of course, he can make suppositions, he can interview both Bartos and Flur and investigates the reasons behind their departures, etc. BUT he CAN'T change history, and he CAN'T know FOR SURE what The MIX would have sounded like with B & F still in the band, he CAN'T get a copy of The MIX with both of them on it. > and also music can be also seen as an empirical technique too. Sure. But I'm afraid I don't see the relationship between that statement and the rest of the discussion... > > > >And BTW, what is "objective opinion" ? Sounds like an oxymoron to me... > > > Are you implying that critics cannot be objective without being oxymoron's? > hehehe, s'a bit harsh no? No, No, I was just discussing the combination of these two words "objective opinion". It sounded like an oxymoron to me for, at first glance, it seems that everything that deals with opinions is strictly subjective... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) kraftwerk vs tangerine dream Date: 29 Jan 1998 14:46:07 -0500 normally, i don't bother getting involved in internet discussions of taste. however, here's my take on the whole tg vs kw discussion. if it is in fact true that kraftwerk rarely get mentioned in "historical retrospectives" regarding electronic music - (and, if this is actually true, i'd be quite shocked), but, if it is true, i'd guess it's more due to snobbery than anything else. without a doubt, kraftwerk (if they didn't actually invent, they were very close) to inventing synth dance music. probably not the application for the instrument(s) that the more "serious" composers were hoping for, judging from their sonic output alone. oddly, as someone else mentioned, even within this dance music, the melody is VERY strong. most of today's techno practitioners seem to ignore melody, it's a shame. many of the more "artistic" folks in the 70's didn't seem to have much of a use for melody either. oddly, most of tangerine dreams' older stuff sounds just that: old. kraftwerk's, on the other hand, (with perhaps the exception of radio activity, which doesn't sound OLD so much as different). sounds like it could be brand new. it's not just the "futuristic" underpinnings that make it so. kraftwerk created something NEW. they didn't start off from a very pink floydish sound (like td) - they (even on radio activity, and autobahn) broke new ground. the fact that kraftwerk spawned a still popular form of music probably rubs the other artists the wrong way as well. plus the stigma of actually doing something that's POPULAR - which is code for "it can't be good". it reminds me of the people that dismiss the beach boys as pop candy - they don't realize that there's an incredable amount of sophistication in the music. this is even more true with a more minimal sound, such as kraftwerk's. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) German Magazine "Rock & Pop Sammlung" features KW - 10 pages Date: 29 Jan 1998 14:58:07 -0500 Hi to all German readers out there The above magazine features KW on the title and has a 10 page article on the history of KW up until the ZKM concert with pics and discography and= stuff. Didn't read it yet but the writer Gunther Poecker does thank Klaus= Zaepke, Ian Calder and Frank Koeberlein for Information... so I guess the= re shouldn't be any errors in it! So go out and buy it it should be available in DE, A, CH, NL, BE and Lux.= Price is DEM 10. Cheers Roland PS: I wanted to post this beginning January but I forgot it in my outbox....Sorry, but the new issue of above magazine is now already released... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) KW fan / TD fan Date: 29 Jan 1998 12:02:06 -0800 > From: Charlie Crash <909@iname.com> >> TD's "Song of the whales, part one & two" from the album "Underwater Sunlight". -(SNIP)- I think I've made it to that song with 5 different girls and i DONT think any of these wonderful women would have appreciated "WE ARE THE ROBOTS - BEEEEP BEEP BEEP BEEEEP..." when they're hot'n juicy, would you? << Well, _I_ certainly would!!*snicker*!! You just haven't met the right gal yet. Have you ever done it with a LoveDroid? Try me! Die ROBOTER is my favorite Auditory Aphrodesiac. It's a Total Turn-On! Nothing makes me hotter & juicier than KRAFTWERK!*sigh*! -(And AUTOBAHN is WAY better than "Bolero"!)- I just wish I could find a MAN.MACHINE who could keep up with me- in PerfeKt rhythm!*Boika-Boink*! Oh, YESS! ;] ROBOWINKY -Sorry folks, that was TOO silly for me to resist. *HeeHee* Thanks for cheering me up, Charlie Crash! ps: Whoa! 93 Emails overnight?!! And 18 more just came IN??! Oh. I just subscribed to a couple of STAR TREK Mail Lists yesterday. No wonder! I'm also on the "Industrial" Mail List , but, it doesn't get much traffic. -(It doesn't get Flames, either- and that's good!)- 'Stupid power failure last night- *ARGH*- no permanent damage to the Computer, Thank God. Seriously, I hope everyone is doing okay, what with all this NASTY weather all over the Planet- it's miserable! Take care and keep your circuits dry. ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Phrases Date: 29 Jan 1998 19:06:06 +0100 Lazlo Nibble wrote: > > > That's why such statements as (for instance) "the pioneering German > > electronic artists" that can be found at > > www.swcp.com/lazlo/Lists/#kraftwerk > > as an introduction to the present list, or most of the quotes that > > Klaus found at TD's WWW, are misleading and boring, because they don't > > resist any simple investigation. > > I'm sorry that my use of this simple four-word descriptive phrase on a web > page does not live up to your exacting intellectual standards. Sorry for hurting your feelings, Lazlo... BTW, you shouldn't take everything that comes from me so personally, I was discussing only a statement, not the nice guy behind it, the nice guy who provides us with this great list where we can all exercise our intellectual skills and have so much fun flaming each other. Is it enough ? > Just out of > curiosity's sake, is your quibble with "pioneering", "artists", > "electronic", or "German"? Actually, it's the combination of the four. Of course, they are German and artists. They've been pionneers in some ways, and they mostly deal with electronics. But "pioneering German electronic artists" could apply much better to someone like Stockhausen, for instance. Please don't get me wrong : it has nothing to do with my "intellectual standards". The only thing is that by successive use of unappropriate formulaes, concepts drift slowly, and pretty soon we find ourselves downloading dozens of messages discussing "electronic music", but with examples that never go beyond KW, TD, Schulze, DM, HL or G. Numan. And that's quite frustrating - and I know I'm not the only one on this list to think that way ! And last but not least, to tell the truth, all the crap that Klaus found at TD's WWW illustrates much much better what I meant in my previous post. I only brought this excerpt from the list homepage, so that TD fans won't accuse me of trashing TD only... > > Perhaps when you're done tilting at windmills in this thread you can come up > with an alternative that you find less misleading and/or more directly > engaging to you personally. Well, I don't see why anything on your web pages should be "more directly engaging to me personally". But as you said, if the purpose is only to find a short description for a web page, why go straight polemical and misleading ? I'm sure that everyone will be pleased with something like "the famous German electro-pop quartet". You can even replace "famous" by "mythical", and "quartet" by "Fab Four". But after all, it's your web page. Do whatever you want ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk vs tangerine dream Date: 29 Jan 1998 22:12:30 +0100 Fred_Harding@idx.com wrote: > > many of the more > "artistic" folks in the 70's didn't seem to have much of a use for > melody either. > eh ???? Any example ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KW fan / TD fan Date: 29 Jan 1998 22:18:14 +0100 Charlie Crash wrote : >> > I think I've made it to that song with 5 different > girls and i DONT think any of these wonderful women would have > appreciated "WE ARE THE ROBOTS - BEEEEP BEEP BEEP BEEEEP..." Believe it or not, in the late 70s / early 80s (when I was still young and attractive) I had a girlfriend who was litterally turned on by TEE and "Mini Calculateur". Actually, it was Ralf's light german accent when he was pronouncing french words that played the trick... After all, she was just a fish named Wanda... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angela Subject: (kw) KW fan / TD fan Date: 29 Jan 1998 15:52:23 -0600 Hi That is a real fuzzy warm chill-out candy music with an accelerating end (its 19 min long, and works a bit like the Bolero) to make a background when your making love...I think I've made it to that song with 5 different girls and i DONT think any of these wonderful women would have appreciated "WE ARE THE ROBOTS - BEEEEP BEEP BEEP BEEEEP..." when they're hot'n juicy, would you? Just a thought from real life... ///CC Oh I don't know about that, I think I could appreciate that when, oh well to each his/her tastes. Heather D. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ivo Peeters" Subject: Re: (kw) Ultra Rare Trax Date: 28 Jan 1998 22:01:51 +0100 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Erik Knain Aan: kraftwerk@xmission.com Datum: woensdag 28 januari 1998 9:36 Onderwerp: (kw) Ultra Rare Trax > > >I have seen the Kraftwerk CD called "Ultra Rare Trax" announced. I would >appreciate if someone could provide information/ songtitles about it. I >presume it is a bootleg, is it live recordings? Is the sound quality >satisfying? > >>Hi all ! >> These are the tracks 1. Computer world (klick mix) (5.42) 2. Pocket calculator (east meets west mix) (5.21) 3. Music non-stop (cut up mix) (6.02) 4. Trans Europe Express (T.E.E. mix) (7.17) 5. The robots (program mix) (5.27) 6. Autobahn (peoples car mix) (8.06) 7. Europe endless (open borders mix) (5.22) 8. Man machine (space mix) (7.00) 9. The model (catbonic mix) (5.19) 10.Neon lights (ton-up mix) (5.26) 11.Showroom dummies (M.C.M.G. mix) (6.00) These are all remixes. Sound quality is satisfactory. This is not a new bootleg. Released around 1993. Regards, Ivo Peeters # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cdaraghy@bestweb.net (Charlie Daraghy) Subject: (kw) td vs kw Date: 29 Jan 1998 22:38:48 -0500 (EST) i started buying t-dream albums searching for a song i had heard in a movie (which later turned out to be Mark Isham's Vapour Drawings) but anyways, t-dreams stuff varies so much, ITS OK TO HATE AND LIKE certain pieces from their catalog. Damn your "Humble opinions". I hate that IMHO stuff, but anyways, someone said "Everyone must own Phaedra". Well if that's the one in the blue cover, i (one of the few albums i had bought in my life that i returned cause i hated it so much) i returned it. At the same time, I really liked "le parc" and "underwater sunlight". so i had the same experience, just different albums! you returned le parc and love phaedra. i hated phaedra, returned it, and love le parc! i dont like any of their private music stuff (but honestly, optical race and the ones around that time are all i'm judging, i haven't heard the orb remix(es) and the new remixes stuff). i like 'white eagle' and some of the heavy sequencer stuff. but t-dream stuff like 'tyger' and 'cyclone' are altogether different beasts. not electronic as much as progressive rock. the vocals are pretty bad on 'tyger'. Has anyone discussed SYNERGY on here? (Larry fast). I dont care for the little i've herad (i know its rather dated), but Larry is a real good guy and you can track him down and email him directly. He's going to be reissue-ing all his synergy stuff, and is remastering it currently in Bucks County, PA stop flaming, one love another. And if all else fails, go live with your mom and sister til you're 53 ala Florian (or was it Ralf?) i thought that was cute. "he's locked in his room, watching star trek. We smell solder all day. We think he's asexual....." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Talley Subject: (kw) New look Date: 30 Jan 1998 01:33:14 -0800 Greetings All, What does anyone think of the massive change in the appearance of Kraftwerk? They have always been extremely style conscious, black ties with red shirts and slicked back hair being dominant - what did they look like at the TD concert? I've seen the Luton Hoo video footage and think it's quite cool. They are really looking like an embodiment of electronic people all gussied up in green grids. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Talley Subject: Re: (kw) Dots/FAQ/TD Date: 30 Jan 1998 01:53:29 -0800 > Kevin Busby wrote: > > > > and everyone needs a copy of 'Phaedra'... ;-) > > > > K > > Sure, ambient freesbie is great ! > > jbv Phaedra is awesome! It's so terribly deep and subtle that it makes an excellant contrast to the bright lights and busy activity at my workplace. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Phrases Date: 30 Jan 1998 11:56:15 +0000 At 7:06 pm +0100 29/1/98, jbv wrote: >Please don't get me wrong : it has nothing to do with my "intellectual >standards". The only thing is that by successive use of unappropriate >formulaes, concepts drift slowly, and pretty soon we find ourselves >downloading dozens of messages discussing "electronic music", but with >examples that never go beyond KW, TD, Schulze, DM, HL or G. Numan. >And that's quite frustrating - and I know I'm not the only one on this >list to think that way ! A fair point. But then the term "electronic music" has long been a problematic term with regards to what it does and does not encompass. Furthermore it's inevitable that the Human League, Depeche Mode, Numan et al will be mentioned in this list more often than Stockhausen, Schaeffer & co. because the associations with Kraftwerk (the subject of this email list) are more obvious. Attempts to widen the range of discussion will fail unless the readers come from roughly the same perspective (and on this list, they clearly don't) or the relevance to Kraftwerk is spelt out for the less knowledgeable. Otherwise such postings will remain a minority interest. >But as you said, if the purpose is only to find a short description for >a web page, why go straight polemical and misleading ? >I'm sure that everyone will be pleased with something like "the famous >German electro-pop quartet". >You can even replace "famous" by "mythical", and "quartet" by "Fab >Four". I don't know jbv, how responsible would it be to suggest there were (and are) four of them, that they are definitely German (GIFs of birth certificates and other papers may be required) and there have been far more famous people than Kraftwerk. Sounds a bit reckless to me. Let's form a working party to discuss this. Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) TD Date: 30 Jan 1998 09:02:24 +0500 On 30-Jan-98, William Talley wrote: >> Kevin Busby wrote: >> > >> > and everyone needs a copy of 'Phaedra'... ;-) > Phaedra is awesome! It's so terribly deep and subtle that it makes an >excellant contrast to the bright lights and busy activity at my workplace. My favorite was always "Stratosfear"; I hear they've re-recorded it. -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lists@neox.demon.co.uk Subject: (kw) new www site Date: 30 Jan 1998 13:31:30 +0000 http://www.unl.ac.uk/~jon/kraftwerk under construction, so check back regularly for photos and realaudios # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kim Pedersen" Subject: (kw) VS: Looking for writers Date: 30 Jan 1998 22:16:27 +0100 ---------- > Fra: tadream mailing list > Til: tadream@cs.uwp.edu > Emne: Looking for writers > Dato: 28. januar 1998 21:30 > > -- > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > -- > Really-From: David Datta > > > Hey folks, > > As some of you know, I now work for the All Music Guide (as a > programmer). We need people to write reviews. In particular, we need > folks to write reviews for all the TD albums. I probably could write > them but I am really quite lazy and don't really want to do it. > > We also need folks to do reviews in bands in the whole electronic > genre. You can get details at: > > http://allmusic.com/amg/style/amgstyle.htm > > Feel free to forward this to other music lists you may be on. I am only > posting this on tadream. > > -Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: M.Schmidt@top.east.de (Marko Schmidt) Subject: (kw) Solar Activity Date: 30 Jan 1998 14:45:00 +0200 Hallo, Deutsch: Der Musik Versand Indietectiv Records verkauft ein original Kraftwerk T-=20 Shirt mit der Bezeichnung-Solar Activity-Original Emil Schult Design. Kennt jemand das Shirt? Oder ist es schon ein Merchandising Artikel des =20 neuen Albums! Ein Titel von Yamo ist auf dem neuen Sampler "Area 51-The Roswell =20 Incident"vertreten. Englisch: A Kraftwerk t-shirt with the name "Solar Activity" original Emil Schult =20 Design is for Sale by Indietectiv Records in Germany. Does anybody know the shirt? Or already is it a merchandising articles of= =20 the new album! A title of Yamo is on the new Sampler "Area 51-The Roswell Incident". -- Mit elektrischen Gr=FC=DFen,=B7 Marko ------------------------------------------------------- GermanKraft die deutsche Kraftwerk-Homepage: www.mdis.de/kraftwerk/ ------------------------------------------------------- ## CrossPoint v3.11 ## # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Bartos / Sumner Date: 31 Jan 1998 12:45:35 -0000 >Out if interest, and from a vid collector's point of view, did anybody catch >the BBC documentary about 'Prozak' featuring Bernard Sumner? I remember >watching this programme, and also remember our mutual friend Karl Bartos >putting in an appearance. Of course, I was totally unprepared for this, and >couldn't get the damn tape in the machine in time to catch it. All I >remember is Bernard walking into his small studio, and introducing Karl, who >was sitting at a keyboard, playing something. This was on a couple of years back. Has it been repeated recently? I reported Karl's presence in the programme to this very list the next day (check the archives). It was a very short clip of Karl working on the drum track of a song in Electronic's rehearsal studio. I think the track turned up on the 'Forbidden City' single - can't remember the title off hand (and can't be bothered to look for the disk). I recorded it, but I'm not sure if I kept it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) A question (what else?) Date: 31 Jan 1998 12:45:48 -0000 >Another related topic: Wolfgang Flur's new project YAMO released their >"Time Pie" CD last year. It's very.... different; "Word Poetry" set to >mildly spacey sounds. I also heard that he's working with another project >called Mouth on Mouth- not to be confused with Mouse on Mars.... or is it >the other way around?? -(Ha-Ha!)- Has anybody heard any more recent news? Time Pie is an excellent album that's great fun with lots of catchy tunes and a very contemporary and enjoyable sound. I whole heatedly recommend to everyone on this list (unless your musical tastes are hopelessly stuck in the seventies of course...) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Late Comer....! Date: 31 Jan 1998 13:10:24 -0000 > Although this is a KW list, it's good to discuss the bigger picture, Absolutely - I wish more people on this list would understand this. In fact an understanding, or at least an awareness, of the bigger picture is *essential* in any debate. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general Date: 31 Jan 1998 01:38:48 EST I wish I could find the message that came in a few days ago, I don't know who posted it... Personally, I feel that this IS a Kraftwerk discussion group, so I have tried to keep my input to Kraftwerk and directly related groups. I completely agree with what was stated, in that I'm sure most of us have other groups we like besides Kraftwerk. I know I do. I like music from classical to hard core punk, and just about everything in-between except I don't particularly care for opera or top-40 country (so-called "Young Country"). Just from the discussion here, TD sounds like it might be of interest to me, and I will look for some of their stuff next time I go to a record store. I know I'll get bashed for this, but another group I like as much as KW (which is also heavy into synths, but has a lot more vocals) is Devo. Still, this is a KRAFTWERK group, and as much as I would love to discuss Devo, I won't...because it's off topic. How boring this world would be if everyone liked the same group and nobody liked any others. Now, back on topic... There has been positive and negative comments on The Mix...I feel compelled to tell how I got into Kraftwerk. A friend of mine was into Kraftwerk around the time we were graduating from high school (1977). I did not like Autobahn, I did not like TEE...and when he forced me to listen to M-M, I decided that I wanted nothing to do with Kraftwerk - I thought they stunk. Fast forward to 1994...I was over at somebody's house, and she had a really neat sounding album playing...what is that ?, I asked. "It's Kraftwerk." Kraftwerk? That's Kraftwerk? It was the album "The Mix". I loved it - she made me a tape...I later decided I had to have the CD...I bought it. I was talking to one of my musically inclined co-workers, and told him about my "discovery". We talked, and he said he had a couple of Kraftwerk albums and they were great. So he brought it in (several of us regularly exchanged albums, to expand our horizons). The album he brought in was Computer World...he also had Radioactivity ...actually just the jacket from it, he thought the artwork was great ...me too - I collect old radios, and would LOVE to get my hands on the Deutscher Kleinempfanger (German Midget Radio) pictured on the back). By the time I listened to Computer World, Kraftwerk became an obsession...and I started collecting everything I could find. When I found Kraftwerk 2, I had my "theme song" - Klingklang. Others have mentioned that Kraftwerk isn't the music to "cuddle or do... to" I'm here to tell you, my wife (who is very narrow minded in her tastes - Barbra Striesand and others of that ilk), enjoyed Klingklang...I had to turn the volume way down at the intro - she can't stand the noise part). So, don't put down The Mix. If it hadn't been for that album, I would still be thinking about Kraftwerk as I did in 1978, and I would not be in this group discussing what I feel is one of the most underrated bands in the world. That's what I think... Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angela Subject: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general Date: 31 Jan 1998 08:42:36 -0600 group I like as much as KW (which is also heavy into synths, but has a lot more vocals) is Devo. Still, this is a KRAFTWERK group, and as much as I would love to discuss Devo, I won't...because it's off topic Don't worry about getting bashed, I personally love Devo, and if there is going to be any talk in this group about electronic music in general, than it is certainly viable to discuss Devo. But I see both sides in the "This IS a KW newsgroup" and "This is a KW newsgroup, but..". I could personally take it either way, as long as the discussion does not turn nasty and as long as KW is the center point. Good day to all. Yours truly, Heather D. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) A question (what else?) Date: 31 Jan 1998 17:29:48 +0100 Jon Alsbury wrote: > > Time Pie is an excellent album that's great fun with lots of catchy tunes > and a very contemporary and enjoyable sound. I whole heatedly recommend to > everyone on this list (unless your musical tastes are hopelessly stuck in > the seventies of course...) > Strange... At least 3 or 4 of my friends who listened to Time Pie had the same reaction : it sounds like a cheap imitation of some YMO stuff from circa 78-79... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Late Comer....! Date: 31 Jan 1998 17:30:05 +0100 > > Although this is a KW list, it's good to discuss the bigger picture, Jon Alsbury wrote: > > Absolutely - I wish more people on this list would understand this. In fact > an understanding, or at least an awareness, of the bigger picture is > *essential* in any debate. Jon, I love you too ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general Date: 31 Jan 1998 17:30:30 +0100 Bill Dobiesz wrote: > I'm here to tell you, my wife (who is very narrow minded in her > tastes - Barbra Striesand and others of that ilk), enjoyed Klingklang...I > had to turn the volume way down at the intro - she can't stand the noise > part). Oh really ? You're Barbra Streisand's husband ? And she doesn't like the Kling Klang intro ? Jeez... I would never believe that ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general Date: 31 Jan 1998 17:32:28 +0100 Jon wrote: > > group I like as much as KW (which is also heavy into synths, but has a > lot more vocals) is Devo. Still, this is a KRAFTWERK group, and as much > as I would love to discuss Devo, I won't...because it's off topic > Angela / Heather wrote : > Don't worry about getting bashed, I personally love Devo, and if there > is going to be > any talk in this group about electronic music in general, than it is > certainly viable to discuss Devo. What a coincidence, Heather ! I love DEVO too ! What about dinner tonight ? More seriously : Devo was a great band, at least until the first album. After it became some boring supermarket muzak. Summer 78 was a time of big changes for me : I put all my TD records to the bin and started to play Devo, Suicide , the Normal, Throbbing Gristle and the Residents full blast at every party I was invited to. And pretty soon, nobody invited me anymore... But I didn't care : I had nothing to do with those creepy TD & Schulze fans anymore... And I loved to fuck with "Too much paranoias" and "Come back Jonee" and "Mongoloid" playing non stop in the background... Believe or not, in 78 Devo was considered by critics (and a large part of the audience) as serious competitors to KW (I think I posted that before). Their nasty look and their devolution theory (which became tired soon after) were a nice alternative to the clean & tight-ass man-machine zon-zon. They used to say that they loved technology and sound experiments : they tried to record drums through a pipe 20 meters long... In an interview they were asked "did you learn techniques to influence masses ?" and Mothersbaugh answered "yes, we studied at Mac Donald's". They also used to say "Satisfaction is a song we created in 1978 and the Stones made a cover of it in 1965". And I'll tell you a secret : Mothersbaugh is a fan of the Del Rubio triplets ! Devo's drummer told me ! I'll always remember that fantastic gig they did in Paris at the Palace circa 78. I'm sure I have some great pics somewhere... Those guitars, man ! And Bojo Homo was there too ! The show had been taped for the french TV. I should check that too when I go to INA... And after all, Devo is not that much off-topic in a KW list : their first album has been also recorded at C. Plank's studio... Well, I should catch my breath sometimes... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general Date: 31 Jan 1998 11:57:07 EST In a message dated 1/31/98 4:45:27 PM, jbv wrote: << I put all my TD records to the bin and started to play Devo, Suicide , the Normal, Throbbing Gristle and the Residents full blast at every party I was invited to. And pretty soon, nobody invited me anymore... But I didn't care :>> You too? Hmmm. It seems that everytime I throw the Resident's "Not Available" on at a party, people seem to get really scared and then they leave and I never get invited back. Weird. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general Date: 31 Jan 1998 18:28:09 +0100 SRRecords@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/31/98 4:45:27 PM, jbv wrote: > > << I put all my TD records to > the bin and started to play Devo, Suicide , the Normal, Throbbing > Gristle and the Residents full blast at every party I was invited to. > And pretty soon, nobody invited me anymore... But I didn't care :>> > > You too? Hmmm. It seems that everytime I throw the Resident's "Not > Available" on at a party, people seem to get really scared and then they leave > and I never get invited back. Weird. Back then, AFAIR, it was the "Satisfaction" single... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: (kw) Eurythmics - 1984 vs Electric Cafe Date: 31 Jan 1998 17:26:01 -0800 Having just heard the '1984' soundtrack by Eurythmics for the first time = it struck me that this sounds more electronically advanced than EC which = came out 2 years later. Having never really considered Eurythmics before = I'd be interested to hear what other list members have to say about this = particular album and other efforts by Eurythmics. mode.123 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: computermusic@post.cz Subject: (kw) Stop WAR! Date: 31 Jan 1998 21:09:52 +0100 Hi to all pure electronic fighters! Please stop this stupid email war TD vs KW.I dont have time read each day 30 messages about (re)TD vs KW. :-) Enjoy the silence Computer Music alias Metropolis from Prague Czech Republic My E-Mail: computermusic@post.cz (text only) computer_music@geocities.com (text+attachment) My Pages: Kraftwerk CZ http://www.music.cz/kapely/kraftwerk Computer Music http://www.mamedia.cz/home/COMPUTER_MUSIC.html IRC channel #kraftwerk ( 18:00 - 24:00 CET) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: (kw) KLEM SPOEDNIEUWS voor maandag 2/2 Date: 31 Jan 1998 21:59:48 +0100 To all Dutch readers: >Beste KLEMmers, > >Maandag 2 februari is om 23:22 uur op Nederland 3 het programma "Het uur >van de wolf" te zien, met als onderwerp 'Sonic Acts'. Daarin schijnt ook >Kraftwerk voor te komen. Het programma duurt tot 0:17 uur. > >Groeten, > >Frits > Translation: Monday feb. 2 at 23:22 on TV Network 'Nederland3' a show 'Het uur van de wolf' with a subject called ' Sonic Acts'. Apparantly there is a item about Kraftwer!. The TV programm lasts until 0:17. groeten, Dolf / / dolf@twingo.xs4all.nl / twingo@xs4all.nl ----/---/---- http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo / / http://twingo.xs4all.nl (if online) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angela Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general Date: 31 Jan 1998 16:03:14 -0600 What a coincidence, Heather ! I love DEVO too ! What about dinner tonight ? Great, how about chinese? Summer 78 was a time of big changes for me : I put all my TD records to the bin and started to play Devo, Suicide , the Normal, Throbbing Gristle and the Residents full blast at every party I was invited to. And pretty soon, nobody invited me anymore... I wish more parties had that type of track list, unfortunately in my area, its either the Spice girls or another remix of any number of Village People songs. It is sort of neat(bad choice of word,sorry) to compare different elements between Kraftwerk and Devo. But that's a different message. Yours truly, Heather D. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general Date: 31 Jan 1998 19:04:45 +0500 On 31-Jan-98, Bill Dobiesz wrote: , and as much as I would love to discuss >Devo, I won't...because it's off topic. ...yep... They did a great live show at Radio City Music Hall during their New Traditionalist period, by the way.. >Now, back on topic... (SNIP) >our horizons). The album he brought in was Computer World...he also had The other day, someone visiting my office saw a few mailing-list messages on my computer screen, said, "You're a Kraftwerk fan? Coooool!", and told me he'd just been listening to CW. >Others have mentioned that Kraftwerk isn't the music to "cuddle or do... >to" I'm here to tell you, my wife (who is very narrow minded in her >tastes - Barbra Striesand and others of that ilk), enjoyed Klingklang...I And how about "Ananas Symphonie"? :-) -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general Date: 31 Jan 1998 19:21:01 +0500 On 31-Jan-98, jbv wrote: >More seriously : Devo was a great band, at least until the first album. >After it became some boring supermarket muzak. I think they started dropping off after "New Traditionalists", but I agree that they did start to get a little bland. I think they lost their direction when they moved to Los Angeles-- they should have stayed in Akron! >And pretty soon, nobody invited me anymore... But I didn't care : I had Same here. >And I loved to fuck with "Too much paranoias" and "Come back Jonee" >and "Mongoloid" playing non stop in the background... I was once in a band ("ELECTRIC/STEEL") that played covers of Devo songs-- along with Numan and John Foxx. This was in '80 or so, and we weren't in demand. :-) We once did a version of 'Come Back Jonee' patterned after the Flying Lizards' version of 'Summertime Blues', which is one reason WHY we weren't in demand! >And after all, Devo is not that much off-topic in a KW list : their >first album has been also recorded at C. Plank's studio... >Well, I should catch my breath sometimes... While you're doing that, I'll take a breather as well and dust off the ol' Devo albums... -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "willfred" Subject: re: (kw) latecomer..... Date: 31 Jan 1998 19:00:29 -0800 hey, i always thought that " Ralf & Florian " fit in quite nicely with cabaret voltaire's " The Mix-Up " and throbbing gristle's " Heathen Earth ". love thar grungy analogue sound. bill2. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) Florian's last name Date: 31 Jan 1998 20:30:33 +0500 This subject came up a while back, and I did a little research on it... but I hope German-speaking members of the list will correct me. I could be totally wrong! The original last name (of one of Florian's ancestors) was probably 'Schneider, Freiherr von Esleben' (Tailor, freeman of Esleben). Then the name changed to 'Schneider von Esleben' (which his father has sometimes used), then to 'Schneider-Esleben', then to 'Schneider'. They're all accurate in a way; it's just a matter of emphasis. :-) -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) Eurythmics - 1984 vs Electric Cafe Date: 31 Jan 1998 21:10:42 +0500 On 01-Feb-98, **************** wrote: >2 years later. Having never really considered Eurythmics before I'd be >interested to hear what other list members have to say about this particular >album and other efforts by Eurythmics. I think the Eurythmics' stuff was very effective in conveying an alternative to the Party's outlook. The idea of having two types of music contending with each other on the soundtrack was a good idea in my opinion... The only Eurythmics album I have is 'Sweet Dreams', which I think is GREAT! The Eurythmics started out the way KW did-- by putting together their own studio and adding on to it as circumstances required. I can't say whether they were more 'advanced' than KW or not, because I don't know if they are headed in the same direction! ;-) Anyway, anyone who hasn't seen '1984' ought to check it out-- there was a '50s version, but I think the 1984 version is true to Orwell's vision. -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) Florian's last name Date: 31 Jan 1998 20:30:33 +0500 This subject came up a while back, and I did a little research on it... but I hope German-speaking members of the list will correct me. I could be totally wrong! The original last name (of one of Florian's ancestors) was probably 'Schneider, Freiherr von Esleben' (Tailor, freeman of Esleben). Then the name changed to 'Schneider von Esleben' (which his father has sometimes used), then to 'Schneider-Esleben', then to 'Schneider'. They're all accurate in a way; it's just a matter of emphasis. :-) -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general Date: 31 Jan 1998 21:13:55 EST On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:03:14 -0600 angela writes: > >I wish more parties had that type of track list, unfortunately >in my area, its either the Spice girls or another remix of any number >of >Village People songs. > thank god for global warming....maybe this area will go first....christ... tom w np:alice cooper - welcome to my nightmare _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn was their first and LAST innovation. Date: 31 Jan 1998 21:13:55 EST On Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:50:50 GMT wootton robin <96188726@brookes.ac.uk> writes: > >Sceptics will learn an awful lot from hearing the 1983 album "Please" >by the >Pet Shop Boys. In terms of sound, production, and presentation, their >DEBUT >effort bears all the hallmarks of any contempory pop production. It's >more >plush and proffessional than anything that Kraftwerk have EVER made. >More danceable... VASTLY more intelligent lyrics... totally under >control. ur kidding , right? tom w np: grand funk railroad _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) Eurythmics - 1984 vs Electric Cafe Date: 31 Jan 1998 21:10:42 +0500 On 01-Feb-98, **************** wrote: >2 years later. Having never really considered Eurythmics before I'd be >interested to hear what other list members have to say about this particular >album and other efforts by Eurythmics. I think the Eurythmics' stuff was very effective in conveying an alternative to the Party's outlook. The idea of having two types of music contending with each other on the soundtrack was a good idea in my opinion... The only Eurythmics album I have is 'Sweet Dreams', which I think is GREAT! The Eurythmics started out the way KW did-- by putting together their own studio and adding on to it as circumstances required. I can't say whether they were more 'advanced' than KW or not, because I don't know if they are headed in the same direction! ;-) Anyway, anyone who hasn't seen '1984' ought to check it out-- there was a '50s version, but I think the 1984 version is true to Orwell's vision. -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: (kw) More questions Date: 31 Jan 1998 22:14:23 EST I was recently on the website at http://www.mdis.de/kraftwerk...a nice website, although it is definately geared toward those who speak German. Anyway, one nice thing I found is lyrics to pretty much all of their songs that have lyrics. But, there are some songs listed that I've never heard of...anyone possibly able to shed some light on these? I don't recognize any of these as being other versions of any of the ones I'm familiar with... Sellafield 2 Taschenrechner Schaufensterpuppen Spiegelsaal There are also lyrics to these...I wasn't aware that there were German versions of these (but it DOES stand to reason, doesn't it?) Computer Welt (German version of Computer World) Neon Licht (German version of Neon Lights) Das Modell (German version of The Model) Die Roboter (German version of The Robots) Computer Liebe (possibly a German version of Computer Love?) Always looking for more information... _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general Date: 31 Jan 1998 23:35:24 EST On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:03:14 -0600 angela writes: > >I wish more parties had that type of track list, unfortunately >in my area, its either the Spice girls or another remix of any number >of >Village People songs. > thank god for global warming....maybe this area will go first....christ... tom w np:alice cooper - welcome to my nightmare _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn was their first and LAST innovation. Date: 31 Jan 1998 23:35:25 EST On Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:50:50 GMT wootton robin <96188726@brookes.ac.uk> writes: > >Sceptics will learn an awful lot from hearing the 1983 album "Please" >by the >Pet Shop Boys. In terms of sound, production, and presentation, their >DEBUT >effort bears all the hallmarks of any contempory pop production. It's >more >plush and proffessional than anything that Kraftwerk have EVER made. >More danceable... VASTLY more intelligent lyrics... totally under >control. ur kidding , right? tom w np: grand funk railroad _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender.