From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) Tokyo ticket Date: 30 Mar 1998 21:43:56 +0100 >hehe...if u plan on doing that in nyc ur the one thats gonna end up in a >dark and cold place...on a slab.... lets hope so eh! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) WARNING: OFF-TOPIC MESSAGE! Date: 30 Mar 1998 21:43:52 +0100 >If anyone is interested, Silver Apples is currently on tour supporting >their new album "Beacon" and they will be in Detroit April 8th. sounds great! i love Silver Apples. let us know how the concert goes. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) NYC eats (off-topic) Date: 01 Apr 1998 02:44:42 -0500 >As for places to eat, there's: >Elephant & Castle (KW would like this place) >Village Den (good burgers, no elbow room) >Fujii >Sakura >Soong Shu Mei >Sido's >Telephone Bar & Grill (is _that_ still around?) >Tibetan Kitchen >The pub at the South Street Seaport Also good, regardless of budget: Lutece (51st St. & 2nd Ave.) Sapporo East (10th St. & 1st Ave.) Gam Mee Ook (32nd St. & B'way) Soba-ya (9th St. bet. 2nd & 3rd Aves.) Masala (3rd Ave. bet. 19th & 20th Sts.) Tang Tang (20th St. & 3rd Ave.) Hoolok Corporation (E. B'way near Catherine St.) Peking Duck House (Mott & Mosco Sts.) La Petite Auberge (Lex. Ave. & 27th St.) Rungsit (23rd St. & 3rd Ave.) Mee (13th St. & 1st Ave.) Shabu Tatsu (10th St. bet 1st & 2nd Aves.) Le Quercy (55th St. bet 5th & 6th Aves.) Bamboo Garden (Bowery & Pell St.) Obviously there are countless others, and others, and others (and others that I've been to but can't think of right now!), but I hope this is a good starting point! Peace. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: RE: (kw) NYC eats (off-topic) Date: 01 Apr 1998 10:01:41 +0200 > Lutece (51st St. & 2nd Ave.) > Sapporo East (10th St. & 1st Ave.) > Gam Mee Ook (32nd St. & B'way) > Soba-ya (9th St. bet. 2nd & 3rd Aves.) > Masala (3rd Ave. bet. 19th & 20th Sts.) > Tang Tang (20th St. & 3rd Ave.) > Hoolok Corporation (E. B'way near Catherine St.) > Peking Duck House (Mott & Mosco Sts.) > La Petite Auberge (Lex. Ave. & 27th St.) > Rungsit (23rd St. & 3rd Ave.) > Mee (13th St. & 1st Ave.) > Shabu Tatsu (10th St. bet 1st & 2nd Aves.) > Le Quercy (55th St. bet 5th & 6th Aves.) > Bamboo Garden (Bowery & Pell St.) > > Obviously there are countless others, and others, and others (and > others > that I've been to but can't think of right now!), but I hope this is a > good starting point! Peace. > > OK, that's it. I'm off to an early lunch. ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tonino.giuntia@cfwb.be (GIUNTIA Tonino) Subject: (kw) Hello! Date: 01 Apr 1998 09:27:45 +0200 Hi there, I'm new on the list, so I wanted to say hello to everyone. Does anyone have news about Kraftwerk? I mean I heard they could play some shows, so does anyone have the tour dates? Will they paly in Europe? Cheers! Stéphane # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) MP3 sound quality Date: 01 Apr 1998 09:56:20 +0100 >> Is there a way to listen to the bad sounding files by adjusting something? > >Not as far as I know. It's all in the encoding, most ppl don't tweak or >boost anything before encoding. the best results i've attained have been from using a 'ripper' to grab the digital music data directly from the CD to a .WAV file. Unless the CD has been badly mastered there's usually no need to normalise or EQ. You can then use your preferred encoder (MPx or RealMedia). Convert your source WAV to mono before encoding if processor speed is an issue. Recording from other sources can be a bit more tricky, however with a little patience you can always find the right level through a process of trial and error. have fun! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Quinte-Eco Subject: (kw) Hi all Date: 01 Apr 1998 08:54:03 -0500 Any truth to the rumour out here that there has been an addition of Lees Palace Toronto on the KW summer tour? I hope so, the 6 hour drive to Detroit would be worth it, but given the American Crime Factor, I'd rather drive 1.75 hours to TO.. :) Sean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) MPEG vs. RA Date: 01 Apr 1998 10:18:28 +0100 >> Uhh? I can encode as many files as i want. Everybody can get a free >> player (plugin). As far as I know the player is available for most >> platforms. >I wouldn't say that two platforms (wintels & Macs AFAIK) equals "most" >platforms... you can get Real Player for Windows 3.x, Windows NT, Windows 95, Mac OS 7.x and 8.x, SunOS 4.1.x, Solaris 2.4, 2.5, 2.6 on SPARC, Solaris 2.5 & 2.6 on Intel, Linux a.out and ELF, OS/2, Irix 5.3, 6.2 and 6.3, FreeBSD and lowly old OS/2. I think that's a lot closer to 'most' than just Mac and Wintel. :-) However, the encoder is a different mater altogether - only two platforms (you guessed it - Mac & Wintel!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christopher Gross" Subject: (kw) re:RA vs. mp3 Date: 01 Apr 1998 09:43:19 PST There's one OS conspicuous by its absence from the list: the computer's name begins and ends with A. :-) Apparently the System 7 version of RA can run on an Amiga if you first run Shapeshifter to emulate a Mac (I haven't tried it), so it's not a technical problem; the RealAudio folks just don't feel like writing an Amiga version, and other developers have not been given permission to write one. I mentioned an Amiga application that is supposed to be able to play 14.4 kbps RA files; I've only had partial success with it, but anyone else who wants to try can download it from: oaktree.simplenet.com/temp/RA.lha I'll post the original URL when I find it again... :-) ---- Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com, cgross@harris-pub.com, golem14@hotmail.com) UTILITY GALLERY: http://oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page (under construction): http://oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dj lava lamp Subject: (kw) kw tix - sale dates ! Date: 01 Apr 1998 16:58:28 -0500 concert - chicago june 10 - on sale sat. may 2 (312)-266-6262 - detroit june 11 - on sale sat. apr 25 (313)-963-7237 - new york june 13 - on sale fri. may 8 (973)-744-0770 phone number is for ticketmaster for those areas afaik... i got this info from my friend's site: www.interlog.com/~stained/feedback/live.htm dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) re:RA vs. mp3 (REALLY off topic, I suppose) Date: 02 Apr 1998 00:06:28 +0200 On 01-Apr-98 A.D., Christopher Gross carved the following runes about "(kw) re:RA vs. mp3": > There's one OS conspicuous by its absence from the list: the computer's Hey, I'm here too! :) > name begins and ends with A. :-) Apparently the System 7 version of RA > can run on an Amiga if you first run Shapeshifter to emulate a Mac (I > haven't tried it), so it's not a technical problem; the RealAudio folks I wish I had enough HD space left for a dedicated MacOS-partition, but I'll try with the Zip-drive I'll get later this week. BTW, Fusion seems to be developing ahead of Shapeshifter by now (runs MacOS 8 and will probably support PPC-accelerators). Besides, the only non-Amiga prog I ever wanted to run is Netscape and that still sucks too much memory for me. > just don't feel like writing an Amiga version, and other developers have > not been given permission to write one. I mentioned an Amiga application > that is supposed to be able to play 14.4 kbps RA files; I've only had I tried that, but as you said it only plays 14.4kbps files and it's an unofficial hack. * *So the solution for all to use still is MPEG-audio!* * -- E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Tittl Subject: (kw) MPEG vs. RA Date: 01 Apr 1998 22:39:53 -1000 Emanuel Mair wrote: > I wouldn't say that two platforms (wintels & Macs AFAIK) equals "most" > platforms... So it seems mpeg is the way to go for accessability........ ...vt -- Earth Email: untold@mindless.com Australia http://www.alphalink.com.au/~untold Melbourne Voice ++61 3 9515 8842 Vladimir Tittl Fax ++61 3 9705 2212 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr. Poop" Subject: Re: (kw) (KW) Devices allowed in concerts..??? Date: 01 Apr 1998 18:23:26 -0800 EJRSemiGod wrote: > > In a message dated 98-03-31 22:44:20 EST, fpinto@byu.edu writes: > > << (Ex: Cameras, DAT's, Tape recorders, Photograph cameras, Vocoders, > Robovox ;), etc) > >> > > Just a question... What in the world would you need a Vocoder at a KW konzert > for, unless you were gonna have em' autograph it? > > hehe. I know it was a joke, BTW.. Actually, we should bring a rail gun a shoot down MIR the rest of the way for a spectacular finale! Out with a bang, I'm sure that the boys would want it that way. >:) Bill +=-------------------------------------=+ \ The Sci-Fi Disco Fembots From Hell / |http://www.geocities.com/paris/6937| / "Analog is my bitch." \ +=-------------------------------------=+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) Tokyo ticket Date: 02 Apr 1998 16:52:33 +0900 At 30 Mar 1998 23:44:07 +0000, jbv wrote: >What shall I do ? Simply ask : is there anyone in the Land of Rising >Sun who would be kind enough to sell tickets for both KW Tokyo shows to >a poor ganjin ? Will that work ? If you want to be more certain about your ticket, I recommend you'd talk with any one of these serious fans if he or she has at least one ticket left. Hopefully he (or she) will send you a ticket via air mail quickly. 8-) (I can only hope so - even mine haven't arrived here yet.) For your info, it's pretty expensive - 7000 yen per a ticket, which is equivalent to 54 US dollars or 330 French Francs! 8-( >BTW, where is the Akasaka Blitz located in Tokyo ? Usually, I stay in >the Shinjuku area, is it far away ? What is the nearest subway station ? >And last, but not least, is the weather in Tokyo in early june as hot >and humid as it is during summer ? If so, it will mean sweating non >stop... Akasaka Blitz is located next to "TBS" TV station, and is pretty close from "Akasaka" station of subway Chiyoda Line. (Don't get confused with another station "Akasaka Mitsuke" of Maruno-uchi Line & Ginza Line, it's not very distant but is different.) About weather - June is generally a rainy season here. Temperature is not as high as July-August. >But how will I recognize you ? Will you be the guy with a KW T-shirt ? >Actually, I think you won't have any problem finding ME in the crowd... >he he he ... Well, we'll need to decide what I'll wear & have there before the day... ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Free Tibet Festival News Date: 02 Apr 1998 10:13:37 +0000 Quoted from http://www.mtv.com/mtv/news/headlines/980401/story14-1.html: 4.1.98 18:30 EDT Pearl Jam, Wyclef, Blues Traveler, Kraftwerk Added To Tibet Show Line-Up Pearl Jam's camp confirms that the group will join Blues Traveler, Wyclef Jean, German techno pioneers Kraftwerk and others at this year's Tibetan Freedom Concert. The bands will join previously announced performers Beck, the Beastie Boys, Radiohead and R.E.M. on the line-up for this year's show, slated for Washington, D.C.'s RFK Stadium on June 13 and 14. Beastie Boy and Tibet show driving force Adam Yauch and Sean Lennon (who will also play the concert this year) took to MTV Live on Wednesday to announce details of the third annual event. Also down for the Tibetan cause this year will be A Tribe Called Quest, Tracy Chapman, Chaksam-Pa and Sonic Youth, who will return to the annual gathering after playing its first two incarnations in San Francisco and New York. More acts will be announced for the show in the weeks to come. Once again, the concert will be staged to help the Milarepa Fund inits effort to aid the Tibetan people who have lived under decades of violent oppression at the hands of the Chinese government. Following the two-day concert, activists are planning a National Day of Action for Tibet on June 15, when supporters of Tibet's struggle will rally on the Capitol lawn. In addition to speakers from the Tibetan community and former political prisoners, organizers also expect performances from surprise musical guests. Here's a list of the artists who will appear at this year's Tibetan Freedom Concert to support the cause: Pearl Jam A Tribe Called Quest Beastie Boys Blues Traveler Chaksam-Pa Tracy Chapman Wyclef Jean Kraftwerk Sean Lennon Radiohead R.E.M. Sonic Youth # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) re:RA vs. mp3 Date: 02 Apr 1998 09:15:35 +0100 >There's one OS conspicuous by its absence from the list: the computer's >name begins and ends with A. :-) Apparently the System 7 version of RA Amiga? You call that toy a computer? :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) KW becomes KV? Date: 02 Apr 1998 12:27:16 -0800 I got this from the BEP mailing list. We are all going to sound like Ralf & Florian speaking english... ;) *Start quote* PRESS RELEASE SPRING EQUINOX 1998 The European Union commissioners have announced that agreement has been reached to adopt English as the preferred language for European communications, rather than German, which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five-year phased plan for what will be known as EuroEnglish ("Euro" for short). In the first year, "s" will be used instead of the soft "c". Sertainly, sivil servants will reseive this news with joy. Also, the hard "c" will be replaced with "k". Not only will this klear up konfusion, but typewriters kan have one fewer letter. There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced by "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20 per sent shorter. In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of silent "e"s in the languag is disgrasful, and they would go. By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" by "z" and "w" by "v". During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou", and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters. After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubls or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru. = *End of quote* Rui In=E1cio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) Klangwelt Date: 02 Apr 1998 11:27:46 +0200 Does anyone know about 'Klangwelt'? Is it a German radio station or newspaper?? DER AUTOMAT® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) KW becomes KV? Date: 02 Apr 1998 13:03:41 +0100 Rui Inacio wrote: > > Ze drem vil finali kum tru. > hehehehe, excellent passage Rui, so tell me, are the main members of this comittee german by any chance? heheh -- ciao, Jules Seifert #Kraftwerk IRC channel http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ#: 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) More Free Tibet Festival News Date: 02 Apr 1998 14:20:01 +0000 Quoted from http://www.milarepa.org/wwwchat/index.html: This is the only official source of information for the Tibetan Freedom Concert. If it is not printed here, it is not confirmed. We will continue to post the latest concert news as it happens. You'll read it here first -- guaranteed. THIRD TIBETAN FREEDOM CONCERT AT RFK STADIUM, WASHINGTON DC, JUNE 13-14TH A TRIBE CALLED QUEST * BEASTIE BOYS * BECK * BLUES TRAVELER * CHAKSAM-PA * WYCLEF JEAN * KRAFTWERK * KRS-ONE * SEAN LENNON * RADIOHEAD * REM * SONIC YOUTH SLATED TO PERFORM The Milarepa Fund is proud to announce plans for a third Tibetan Freedom Concert to take place at Washington DC's RFK Stadium on Saturday, June 13th and Sunday, June 14th. Slated to perform are A Tribe Called Quest, Beastie Boys, Beck, Chaksam-Pa, KRS-ONE, Radiohead and Sonic Youth, veterans of the past two TFCs in San Francisco and New York City, respectively. The concert will also feature a set from REM playing, this time, in a full band format. Newcomers to the concert lineup include sets from Sean Lennon, Blues Traveler, Fugees' Wyclef Jean and a momentous reunion show from German electronic music forerunners Kraftwerk. TFC3 will also feature notable speakers including Ven. Palden Gyatso. Many more acts are to be confirmed in the coming weeks. Monday, June 15th has been declared a National Day of Action for Tibet. A rally is scheduled to commence on the Capitol lawn at noon which will feature notable guests, speakers from the Tibetan community, ex-political prisoners and a handful of surprise musical performances. The rally gives protesters an historic opportunity to become involved in the push for negotiations between the Chinese government and the Dalai Lama as it falls just prior to President Clinton's trip to China. In addition, Milarepa will be delivering hundreds of thousands of signed postcards to the White House urging Clinton to push for negotiations between Tibet and China. The upcoming event follows in the wake of some significant developments crucial to the evolution of the Tibet movement. These include President Clinton's appointing of Greg Craig to the post of Special Coordinator for Tibet, the controversial stateside visit of Chinese president Jiang Zemin in November 1997 and the release of two Tibet-related major motion pictures, Seven Years In Tibet which starred Brad Pitt and Martin Scorsese's Kundun, among others. Tibetan Freedom Concerts have been launched by the Milarepa Fund since 1996 and have raised over 1.25 million dollars from a collective audience of approximately 150,000 people. Since its inception in 1994, Milarepa, which is a San Francisco-based nonprofit organization co-founded by Erin Potts and Beastie Boys' Adam Yauch, has been dedicated to the promotion of compassion and nonviolence. In an effort to further extend the message of freedom for Tibet to a global audience, Music websites SonicNet (http://www.sonicnet.com) and The Ultimate Band List (http://www.ubl.com) will join The Milarepa Fund to create an official online presence for The Tibetan Freedom Concert '98. The concert site will act as an education and activism center, bringing together an expected virtual audience of over one million people spread across the globe. The site will debut in mid April with timely information about the concert and performers, an online store offering advance ticket sales, a contest giving away an all-expense-paid trip to the concert in Washington D.C., and very special pre-concert programs. The site will host complete live coverage of the event including a live broadcast, discussion forums, and a variety of ways to get involved by speaking out and inter-acting against the injustices occuring in Tibet. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) New Kraftwerk CD Date: 02 Apr 1998 14:52:16 +0000 > http://mcs.nl/groove/latest > Lists this: >Kraftwerk > Concert Classics (CD) > Over 40 mins of live material recorded in the USA 1975. It doesn't seem to be out yet. Release date is April 20th, according to http://www.sirencd.com: > PRE-ORDERS ACCEPTED - - - Kraftwerk Concert Classics CD $15.99 40 > minute live recording from 1975 includes "Autobahn" and more. Release Date: > 20-Apr-98 Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony Glampson" Subject: (kw) Non Kraftwerk Amiga Owners Only Date: 02 Apr 1998 15:41:42 +0100 Hi, I know their are a few people on this list who own a Amiga Computer. If you are one of them please get in touch with me. I could make it worth your while. Best Wishes, anthony@ducie.force9.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Ingersoll Subject: Re: (kw) Tour Date: 02 Apr 1998 19:46:18 +0200 > May I suggest that you send a list of your prefered venues and dates > (according to your personal time frame) to the KK studio. > How would I go about doing this. I've been a KW fan for a long time but I'm very new to this list and anything current with KW. Thanks. Also, I've received help from some people but I'm having trouble finding tickets for the Barcelona show. One person said they aren't for sale yet. Any confirmation on that? Tim Ingersoll -- ‰ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: Re: (kw) MPEG vs. RA Date: 01 Apr 1998 14:28:00 PST I have found that RealAudio produces a better sound at low bit rates. MPEGs are perfect for times when you can use it. A 20kbps RealAudio Stereo file sound as good as a 48kbps MPEG3, and take up less space. What about MPEG video? I think that QuickTime does a better job, but RealVideo is just right for creating 4 minute long videos that are under 2 megs. I would love to put nothing but MPEG and QuickTime movies on my web site, but I'd fill up my space quickly on the server. -Peter Liethen pliethen@execpc.com http://petenet.dragonfire.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christopher Gross" Subject: (kw) That URL Date: 01 Apr 1998 13:30:05 PST The Amiga RealAudio Support Page: http://csc.smsu.edu/~strauser/RA.html (I posted this once before, but this time it's on-topic! :-)) ---- Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com, cgross@harris-pub.com, golem14@hotmail.com) UTILITY GALLERY: http://oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page (under construction): http://oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Marilyn Manson?!! Date: 02 Apr 1998 13:18:32 -0800 How come I click on the URL for KW dates and Marilyn Manson comes up?? http://www.tickets.de/artists/art7.html KW was there earlier- what's going on?? ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonas Lantz" Subject: (kw) Mobile homes "You make the sun shine" Date: 02 Apr 1998 23:16:28 +0200 I saw the new video from mobile homes on Swedish TV today, "You make the sun shine". The song was written and produced with Karl Bartos. It sound nothing like the old Mobile homes or Electric music but the song is very good!! Excellent guitar based popmusic at it's best!! Do check it out if you're interested. Regards / Jonas ______________________________________________ E-post hem 1: magnat@algonet.se E-post hem 2: kajola@hotmail.com E-post arbete: jonas.lantz@trygghansa.se Mina hemsidor: http://surf.to/lantz Jag har även hand om den begåvade poeten Pamela Jaskoviaks officiella hemsidor. Dessa hittar Du på: http://surf.to/jaskoviak ______________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (kw) Marilyn Manson?!! Date: 01 Apr 1998 19:12:08 +0100 As I understand Man Machine is deleted in the UK, does anybody in the UK require it on vinyl or cassette? -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Link Fixed!! Date: 02 Apr 1998 16:14:47 -0800 D'OH!! They changed it. My husband poked around the WebSite and found out the "art7.html" was changed to "art6.html". Here is the KorreKt URL.... http://www.tickets.de/artists/art6.html ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Harback Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk and David Bowie Date: 02 Apr 1998 20:00:40 -0500 (EST) Hello everyone, I know that discussion lately has centered around the upcoming tour dates, but I thought that I would pose a question about something a little different. I've read quite a bit lately about Kraftwerk's history (mostly online) and I see a lot of mention of David Bowie influencing and being influenced by Kraftwerk during his years in Germany in the late 70's. Granted, I don't see much Bowie-inspiration in Kraftwerk's music, but Bowie's early 80's works show quite a bit of influence, as does "Heroes". Finally, here's my question: does anyone know just how much interaction the was between Bowie and KW? It's interesting (for me at least) that KW might have been influential to such a "big name" as Bowie. Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SR Records Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and David Bowie Date: 02 Apr 1998 20:12:57 EST In a message dated 4/3/98 1:03:58 AM, you wrote: <> I don't know how much interaction - but he and Iggy were featured in a still shot in the "Trans Europe Express" video.........But Bowie, I guess, was "into" some of the more 'influential' less mainstream bands - wasn't he quoted in the mid-80's as saying something like "Throbbing Gristle are the most important band in the U.K." or something of that nature? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BLANKS Subject: Re: (kw) Link Fixed!! (Zusatzkonzert!!!) Date: 03 Apr 1998 12:16:05 +0900 Hi Everyone! ROBOT-san wrote: >D'OH!! They changed it. My husband poked around the WebSite and found >out the "art7.html" was changed to "art6.html". Here is the KorreKt >URL.... >http://www.tickets.de/artists/art6.html GEEEEEE! i've found suprised line from the URL. -02.06.1998 J-Tokio - Akasaka Blitz, Zusatzkonzert ! "Zusatzkonzert"!!! then 3days in Japan?! it's a Very good news! (but i've asked Udo-music, They doesn't have any infos about this addition concert at all now.) ciao! Sakura from Tokyo Japan UNE PLACE SUR LA TERRE COMME AU CIEL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Heil" Subject: Re: (kw) Marilyn Manson?!! Date: 02 Apr 1998 22:04:50 -0700 ---------- > From: ROBOT > To: KRAFTWERK@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) Marilyn Manson?!! > Date: Thursday, April 02, 1998 2:18 PM > > > How come I click on the URL for KW dates and Marilyn Manson comes up?? > > http://www.tickets.de/artists/art7.html > > KW was there earlier- what's going on?? > the site changed by one number... http://www.tickets.de/artists/art6.html Kraftwerk Kraftwerk will be performing on the following dates: 02.06.1998 J-Tokio - Akasaka Blitz, Zusatzkonzert ! 03.06.1998 J-Tokio - Akasaka Blitz, Ausverkauft ! 04.06.1998 J-Tokio - Akasaka Blitz, Ausverkauft ! 07.06.1998 USA-San Francisco, CA - Warfield Theatre, on sale 3.5.98, Info Tel. 510-7622277, www.ticketmaster.com 08.06.1998 USA-Los Angeles, CA - The Palladium, on sale 25.4.98, Info Tel. 213-8517441, www.ticketmaster.com 10.06.1998 USA-Chicago, IL - Riviera Theatre, on sale 2.5.98, Info Tel 312-2666262, www.ticketmaster.com 11.06.1998 USA-Detroit, MI - State Theatre, on sale 25.4.98, Info Tel 313-9637237, www.ticketmaster.com 13.06.1998 USA-New York, NY - Hammerstein Ballroom, on sale 8.5.98, Info Tel 973-7440770, www.ticketmaster.com 14.06.1998 USA-Washington DC - Free Tibet Festival, Information tba 18.06.1998 E-Barcelona - Sonar Festival, Infos www.sonar.es 25.06.1998 DK-Roskilde - Roskilde Festival, Infos www.roskilde-festival.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Bruno Subject: (kw) chicago Date: 02 Apr 1998 21:34:48 -0700 can some one give me the info i.e. date, ticket info on the chigago show thanks! david bruno # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "fallen angel" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk and David Bowie Date: 02 Apr 1998 23:48:35 -0600 > Finally, here's my question: does anyone know just how much > interaction the was between Bowie and KW? It's interesting (for > me at least) that KW might have been influential to such a "big > name" as Bowie. Very interesting question -- being both a long-time Bowie fan and Kraftwerk fan, I have heard/seen these references. I really am not sure about the interaction that might have went on, yet I would be quite interested to hear about it if someone is so inclined. Anyhow, I thought that I would mention Bowie went forth with the most notably Kraftwerk-inspired work after travelling (and living for some time) in Berlin. By the by, this was during that period in the '70s where there was a mad obsession with Berlin and Germany by many musicians. I remember Lou Reed recording a song titled "Berlin" and he'd never even visited. If memory serves, it was Eno who really turned him on to Kraftwerk. "Low" shows the most influence and is definitely one of my favourite Bowie albums, "Heroes" simply took "Low" to another level and still showed the influence. One other thing, I just realized that my quote was still the TEE one! I suppose that's appropriate -- there a couple of somewhat humorous references in that quote. "Station To Station" was to be the title of Bowie's funk-influenced album, and Iggy Pop was Bowie's travelling companion while he lived in Germany. Actually, Iggy's most famous work, "Lust for Life," was also recorded at the same studio as both "Low" and "Heroes." This all makes sense now, seeing as it would have been the ideal time for KW to meet up with the both of them. -- __ _ _ _ | _|__| | |__ __ __ __ __ __| | "From station to station, back to | _|.'| | |-_| | |.'| | .|-_| | Dusseldorf City, meet Iggy Pop |_||_,|_|_|__||_| |_,||_|_ |__|_| and David Bowie." - Kraftwerk __| [http://f-angel.home.ml.org/] [uin: 792430] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and David Bowie Date: 03 Apr 1998 08:45:21 +0000 Chris Harback wrote: > > Finally, here's my question: does anyone know just how much interaction > the was between Bowie and KW? It's interesting (for me at least) that KW > might have been influential to such a "big name" as Bowie. Nothing's 100 % sure on that topic (just like the meeting between Ralf and M. Jackson, mentioned by Bussy). Circa 75-76, just like it happened several times in his career, Bowie was looking for the next hype, new inspiration and some young and inspired musicians to suck blood from. Meanwhile, after some heavy drugs use together, he put Iggy's career back on tracks by producing 1 or 2 of his solo albums. Indeed, Eno was the 1st one (in Before and After Science) to work with german musicians (Moebius and Rodelius - remember that Krautrock was the hype in the early 70s). As Eno also produced Low and Heroes for Bowie, one can assume that he brought Bowie to that kind of music. Anyway, in an interview from 76 (somewhere at Klaus' site) R&F clearly say that they met Bowie and Iggy (it seems that Bowie visited them at KK, and they say that the FIRST time they met Iggy, it was in a lift), and that some more collaboration was on its way. Anyway, both names are mentioned in the original lyrics of TEE. Why nothing happened ? Who knows ? Probably for the same reasons that R&F never collaborated with anyone else ? Or because R&F quickly realized that Bowie was only there to suck their blood and take profit of their recent success ? BTW, I remember that a couple of years later (78-79), Bowie used to show up at some Human League gigs, and pretend it was the best combo of the universe. I think I also remember that HL was supposed to be the opening act in some Bowie's tour, but I need to check my sources to be 100% sure... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) (Fwd) Newsletter Date: 03 Apr 1998 09:47:34 +0000 Excerpt from the most recent MCT newsletter: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Kraftwerk - due to the sell out of the two concerts on the 3.+4.6. we have added a 3rd show on the 2nd of June in Tokio. The USA dates are going on sale either at the end of this month or the beginning of May. Pls check our web site for more details. The band has also confirmed an appearance at the Tibetian Freedom Concert in Washington DC on the 14th of June. [...] MCT Konzertagentur GmbH Berlin Germany Tel. + 49-30-53 63 82 00 Fax. + 49-30-53 63 82 22 Web Site: www.tickets.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Becker Subject: (kw) Advertizing KW on Newsgroups Date: 03 Apr 1998 00:32:54 -0800 Can somebody post periodic adverts for Kraftwerk and the Kraftwerk IRC on various newsgroups. It could say: leftHey Kraftwerk fans! They are coming to the US in June! See details at http://www.tickets.de/artists/art6.html Log onto the Kraftwerk chat channel and meet other concert goers at http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm See you there! Thanks. Let's see what kind of a buzz we can create. (I hope it doesn't prevent our getting tickets though!) Fred # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Advertizing KW on Newsgroups Date: 03 Apr 1998 11:18:35 +0100 Fred Becker wrote: > > Can somebody post periodic adverts for Kraftwerk and the Kraftwerk IRC on various newsgroups. It could say: thanx fred, i have been doing this for ages now (about 2 years), practically single handed, the trouble is, it's difficult to select which usenet groups to go for. Does anybody have any suggestions....... > Thanks. Let's see what kind of a buzz we can create. (I hope it doesn't prevent our getting tickets though!) > the vibe is a spreading! -- ciao, Jules Seifert #Kraftwerk IRC channel http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ#: 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lars Nellemann Subject: Re: (kw) Advertizing KW on Newsgroups Date: 03 Apr 1998 12:35:05 +0200 >thanx fred, i have been doing this for ages now (about 2 years), >practically single handed, the trouble is, it's difficult to select >which usenet groups to go for. Does anybody have any suggestions....... try alt.music.kraftwerk for a start! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Walton" Subject: (kw) European Dates? Date: 03 Apr 1998 11:47:53 +0100 Hi all There is a lot of talk about the tour dates for USA. Does anyone know of any European Dates? In particular the UK. Thanks Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Advertizing KW on Newsgroups Date: 03 Apr 1998 13:13:54 +0000 Fred Becker wrote: > > Log onto the Kraftwerk chat channel and meet other concert goers at > http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm How come evrytime I log on the KW IRC chat there's nobody on-line (except for Farki sometimes) ? Do I smell bad or what ? Or may be you folks are busy working, eh eh eh jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Advertizing KW on Newsgroups Date: 03 Apr 1998 12:39:10 +0100 jbv wrote: > > How come evrytime I log on the KW IRC chat there's nobody on-line > (except for Farki sometimes) ? > Do I smell bad or what ? Or may be you folks are busy working, eh eh eh > Well, there could be a plethora of reasons behind that one, but if you check the IRC site, there is a time schedule that should be of help. I find that the best times for us euro-bashers is lunchtimes (12-00-3-00pm GMT) then early evening (17-00-20-00pm GMT) then sometimes later on you may find some folks (maybe between 9-00 - 11-00pm GMT) Our US counterpaerts may have more info on logging times for the other side of the pond. hehehe, maybe we'll bump into each other one of these days jbv......... -- ciao, Jules Seifert #Kraftwerk IRC channel http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ#: 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Advertizing KW on Newsgroups Date: 03 Apr 1998 13:53:24 +0000 Jules Seifert wrote: > > hehehe, maybe we'll bump into each other one of these days jbv......... Holy Christ ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Advertizing KW on Newsgroups Date: 03 Apr 1998 12:56:18 +0100 Lars Nellemann wrote: > > try alt.music.kraftwerk for a start! > thanx lars, i'll bear that in mind, considering I started that newsgroup myself ;-) -- ciao, Jules Seifert #Kraftwerk IRC channel http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ#: 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) KraftVerk Date: 03 Apr 1998 14:29:25 -0800 > so tell me, are the main members of > this comittee german by any chance? Zo, vat makez yu zai zat? Ve vork vit ze zam purpoz az yu, zat iz te glory ov Deutschland (Ach! Zum teufel!) errr... ai min ov Europa! Zycling und Electronisches musik ueber alles, zats vot ve zay. Rui Inacio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) URL-minder?? Date: 03 Apr 1998 12:06:06 +0200 Did URL-minder change addresses? All links to their site don't seem to work. Previous Web address (URL): http://kraftwerk.ml.org/index.shtml DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk and David Bowie Date: 03 Apr 1998 09:17:51 -0500 (EST) On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, fallen angel wrote: > Very interesting question -- being both a long-time Bowie fan and Kraftwerk > fan, I have heard/seen these references. I really am not sure about the > interaction that might have went on, yet I would be quite interested to hear > about it if someone is so inclined. There wasn't much in terms of direct interaction, according to Bussy's book. Bowie was fascinated by AUTOBAHN and RADIOACTIVITY, and apparently contacted Kraftwerk about touring together. KW, however, being at their apex and working hard to develop their own (still budding) style, weren't interested in sharing the limelight with another "big name" and declined. Bowie began many of his concerts in the mid-70s by playing recordings of KW music, however, and this probably helped to promote KW's international reputation. Another interesting tidbit, for those into German film, from Bussy's book is that the director Rainer Werner Fassbinder was obsessed with Kraftwerk and played AUTOBAHN and RADIOACTIVITY endlessly on his sets, until the crew was sick of it. And in fact he uses KW music on the soundtracks to two of his films, BERLIN ALEXANDERPLATZ and one other I can't recall at the moment. ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "All we need to understand all the symbols Student Services, and parables in the world is the faculty The University of Michigan of infinite attention." Honors Program --Michel Tournier http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: (kw) What a Sad git...... Date: 03 Apr 1998 15:38:56 +0100 Well, for all thosew anoraks out there who a bit of good 'ole Kraftwerk spotting, us lucky UK folks were treated to a snip of 'telephone call' on 'BBC Watchdog' last night. -- ciao, Jules Seifert #Kraftwerk IRC channel http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ#: 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and David Bowie Date: 03 Apr 1998 16:48:30 +0000 John B. Morgan wrote: >=20 > On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, fallen angel wrote: >=20 > There wasn't much in terms of direct interaction, according to Bussy's > book. Bowie was fascinated by AUTOBAHN and RADIOACTIVITY, and apparentl= y > contacted Kraftwerk about touring together. KW, however, being at their > apex and working hard to develop their own (still budding) style, weren= 't > interested in sharing the limelight with another "big name" and decline= d. Below is what R&F had to say on that topic circa Nov. 76 : Q : Tell me about your meeting with Bowie and your projects... A : We should have worked together already, but the success of the last album forced us to tour until october, and our projects were postponed. But with Bowie, what makes us closed from each other, it=92s mostly similar considerations about psychology. It=92s the same with Iggy. By th= e way, we have dedicated a song of our new album to them (TEE)... They=92re just like us, big fans of trains. No other band could evoke the world of trains better than us, I think. The metallic music, metal on metal... We are going to record with Bowie. He will come to Dusseldorf pretty soon for that. We still don=92t know what we=92re gonna do together, it=92s mo= stly an encounter... A (Florian) : We have always been interested by what Bowie is doing, especially in his last albums. He started from hard rock, and he=92s now on the step of electro-acoustic music, while we went the opposite way, from electronic music to rock music... So I think that what will happen will be thrilling. A (Ralf) : I think it=92s the same kind of research for a synthetic man. We were fascinated by the creation of that concept and we tried to develop it by ourselves, without the help of a producer. Anyone who is working in show bizness wait for someone else to create their specific image. We said to ourselves : we don=92t want to wait, we will discover ourselves alone. A (Florian) : Usually, behind the stars, there=92s always some Colonel Parker... (SNIP) Q : Where does your passion for the Beach Boys come from ? A : The intelligence of their thoughts regarding american reality put onto records. A (Florian) : When we reached California and Hollywood, we were able to say : yes, it=92s exactly like that, like in the songs of the Beach Boys. Q : And would you like people to say the same thing about your music and Europe, and especially Germany ? A : That=92s exactly what Bowie told us : when he came to see us in Dusseldorf in his Mercedes, he took the highway while listening to =93Autobahn=94 on the car stereo. He said : it=92s exactly like that, everything is in your tune. Q : And with Iggy Pop ? A : We met him in a lift, and it=92s been a true contact right away. I always liked what the Stooges were doing : they =93dared=94. With electronics, you can hide yourself behind the machines, or you can expose yourself. There are various ways of exhibing oneself. We are perhaps also interested in Iggy because of the Fluxus happenings in which I was involved when I was student... =93action, action baby !=94 Wi= th electronic instruments, you can be alone, all alone on stage, like Iggy : you don=92t even have a guitar to hide yourself. To some physical discoveries of rock music can correspond some fundamental and terrible psychological discoveries, like reading a book that changes the vision of the world you had before. After that, you never walk quite the same way... > Bowie began many of his concerts in the mid-70s by playing recordings o= f > KW music, however, and this probably helped to promote KW's internation= al > reputation. IMHO, it rather helped Bowie convincing his audience that he wasn't already a has-been... He did the same thing in the 90s when he toured with NIN... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) KW becomes KV? Date: 03 Apr 1998 01:26:49 EST On Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:27:16 -0800 Rui Inacio writes: > In the first year, "s" will be used instead of the soft "c". Also, the > hard "c" will be replaced with "k". Not only will this klear up > konfusion, but typewriters kan have one fewer letter. ---snip--- > to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. I thought the C was being eliminated??? ...The dream is over... Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 np: Deep Purple - And The Address _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DwightG@nesbbx.rain.com (Dwight Gruber) Subject: (kw) Re: {kw} MPEG vs. RA Date: 03 Apr 1998 12:13:03 PST In <35209B67.6CC0CC7B@mindless.com>, Vladimir Tittl writes: > > Emanuel Mair wrote: > > > > BTW Let's vote on format who'd prefer ra and who mp3? Which sounds > > > better? > > > An easy choice. RA is a copyrighted, proprietary format and can only be > > played back with a copyrighted player which isn't available for all > > computer platforms. > > Uhh? I can encode as many files as i want. Everybody can get a free player > (plugin). As far as I know the player is available for most platforms. Those of us who choose to use an Amiga are s.o.l. for RealAudio (no, the pd solutions--unrealaudio et al--are not yet reliably functional). --DwightG -- DwightG@nesbbx.rain.COM # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: (kw) Freedom concert and Kraftwerk on MTV Date: 03 Apr 1998 17:19:46 PST The 1515 MTV news program just said that Kraftwerk will be at the Tibetan (sp?) Freeom concert. Kraftwerk was discribed as "pioneerring German electro band" You can grab the video clip from my web site at: http://www.execpc.com/~pliethen/mtv.rm (146k RealVideo) -Peter Liethen pliethen@execpc.com http://petenet.dragonfire.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Heil" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: {kw} MPEG vs. RA Date: 04 Apr 1998 00:29:06 -0700 The latest version of Winamp has a 1/4 sample rate which makes decompression and playback on slower machines possible and much smoother. This setting pushes the sample rate down to 11 khz which is still better than RealAudio since RA dosn't seem to get the full spectrum of sound, while MPEGs seem to carry more sound information and offers playback without breaks, static, distortions, that any other live internet playback device does, including RA. It is dreadful to make any kind of tape recording of a RA file, even if it is on a local hard disk--the sound quality just isn't there. MPEGS, on very good machines, offer close to CD quality playback when an MPEG player's options are maxed out. Greg H. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour info: SF and LA Date: 04 Apr 1998 00:05:26 -0800 kj@gmnameplate.com sez: Details, Details.... *sigh* Thank you! >k r a f t w e r k i n s a n f r a n c i s c o >Warfield Theater > Tickets go on sale Sunday, May 3, 1998 at 10:00am Pacific Time > Cost: $27.00-29.00 reserved seating -(plus fees)- > http://www.basstickets.net The question is: Can you CALL for Warfield tickets at 10:00am -(or a bit earlier to beat the jammed phone lines?)- and order by phone the MINUTE they go on sale? How'bout phone orders for L.A. at NooN on April 25? -(You DID say the L.A. tickets won't be available On-Line till an hour later.)- There IS a local BASS office here in Eureka, but, they don't open till 11am on Sundays, and May 3 is a Sunday. If tickets for S.F. -(reserved seating)- go on sale at 10am, all the good seats will be gone by the time the Eureka office opens at 11am. Ofcourse, If L.A. is standing room only with no seating -(assigned or otherwise)-, I'm not worried if I have to wait an hour later to order by phone or internet- as long as they don't sell out and I don't lose connection during transaction. -( + GENUFLECT, KNOCK ON WOOD, etc. + )- After all, the 2 Tokyo shows on June 3rd & 4th sold out rather quickly, so, I'm sweating bullets! It's neat that they added another show on the 2nd. :] ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DepecheCBI Subject: (kw) Electric Music - "Electric Music" Date: 04 Apr 1998 10:51:05 EST Hi ! At http://www.ffn.funcity.de/gw/html/frames/magazin-cdkritik.html you can find a german review of Electric Music=B4s new album "Electric Mu= sic". There=B4s also one song available as RealAudio file. bis denn, Carsten Bolte. Kiel. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D halb wesen und halb (ueber)ding=0A # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and David Bowie Date: 03 Apr 1998 13:08:39 EST On Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:45:21 +0000 jbv writes: >Or because R&F quickly realized that Bowie was only there to suck >their blood and take profit of their recent success ? I suspect that this was the reason. R&F seem to be more interested in music and their lives, as opposed to nameless others who seem to be more interested in milking their fame for evey nickel they can get (or franc, or mark, or peso, or ruble, or lira, or whatever). I KNOW I'll get jumped on for this, but it seems obvious to me that R&F, although they have a hardcore following (us) feel that it's not an issue. They COULD make more albums; we would buy them simply because it's Kraftwerk...but I think they realize it's not the same chemistry as it was...and they want to leave the game while everyone is still talking good about them, rather than slipping into mediocrity. Leave it as "Remember Kraftwerk? Those guys were GREAT!" instead of "They had a couple of good albums, then they just started turning out commercial crap..." I've always felt there were essentially two types of music - commericial (what gets played on the radio) and non-commercial (stuff you hear about from other places, like Kraftwerk, Devo, Silver Apples, bluegrass, new age, etc...) I do listen to both... You're not the only one I've heard that has refered to Bowie as a "blood sucking" (among other things) "parasite". Someone told me once that he pays his musicians Union Scale only, and keeps the rest of the profits to himself. I don't know what kind of a payment arrangement R&F had, but I'm sure Wolfgang and Karl took home a worthwhile amount of money too... Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 np: Eddie Floyd - Knock On Wood _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: (kw) two questions (NOT off-topic!) Date: 04 Apr 1998 12:57:24 -0400 hello everybody! I've got two questions for the older list members, referring to the possible new Tour concerts: (1) - Where in the hell of the NET may I get a confirmation if Kraftwerk will play in Brazil (Sao Paulo or Rio de Janeiro)? Is there any international ticket seller that may confirm that? By what I know there's not a brazilian internet ticket operator with such information... (2) - I need further advice on bootleging concerts, specially concerning to microphones... anyone may answer me public or private. many thanx! Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785 Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and David Bowie Date: 04 Apr 1998 20:49:09 +0000 Bill Dobiesz wrote: > > R&F seem to be more interested in > music and their lives, as opposed to nameless others who seem to be more > interested in milking their fame for evey nickel they can get > > I KNOW I'll get jumped on for this, but it seems obvious to me that R&F, > although they have a hardcore following (us) feel that it's not an issue. > They COULD make more albums; we would buy them simply because it's > Kraftwerk...but I think they realize it's not the same chemistry as it > was...and they want to leave the game while everyone is still talking > good about them, rather than slipping into mediocrity. > > Leave it as "Remember Kraftwerk? Those guys were GREAT!" instead of > "They had a couple of good albums, then they just started turning out > commercial crap..." Well, although that makes sense, IMHO things are not so straightforward. For instance, the release of Autobahn was an important step and had big consequences on the attitude of many of their early fans. I remember back then hearing lots of krautrock fans saying : these guys are going mainstream now, something is lost forever. Even a few weeks ago, I was discussing music of the early 70s with a friend who is slightly older than me and who has always been involved in experimental stuff. He said : the first 3 KW albums were OK, but after that they pissed me off with their cheap synth pop. Later, the release of MM was clearly seen by several fans as an disapointing attempt to catch with the novo-disko trend. As for CW, the mixed reactions of the media when it was released has already been discussed here, as well as reactions to EC and The MIX. My purpose is NOT to start another endless discussion that will degenerate into flame wars. The ONLY point I want to make is that disapointment already appeared at times during KW career among some parts of their fans... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com Date: 04 Apr 1998 20:49:29 +0000 I might be wrong, but I don't think that the next KW album (if any) will be entitled "www.kraftwerk.com", simply because US band Pitchshifter has just released an album called "www.pitchshifter.com". Of course, if the next KW album is released in 15 to 25 years from now, then there's a fair amount of chances that it could be named "www.kraftwerk.com", a very nostalgic concept at that time... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Becker Subject: (kw) alt.music.kraftwerk Date: 04 Apr 1998 15:02:41 -0800 How does one find this newsgroup? It is not listed on my list it seems. alt.music.kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) (KW) Devices allowed in concerts..??? Date: 03 Apr 1998 03:34:05 +0200 >Just a question... What in the world would you need a Vocoder at a KW konzert >for, unless you were gonna have em' autograph it? to ask for the autograph, for instance... how could then they refuse? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) (KW) Devices allowed in concerts..??? Date: 03 Apr 1998 03:34:14 +0200 >Are there any electronic devices that we can take with us to the >Californian KRFTWRK konzerts? >(Ex: Cameras, DAT's, Tape recorders, Photograph cameras, Vocoders, >Robovox ;), etc) yes, anything, just remember to wear a dark suit with a fluorescent net over you and yellow techno glasses. maybe it's better if you ask other three people to dress this way and walk straight in line. seriously, these things depend with the local venue security. I don't think anyway that you'll be quietly allowed to tape them. in the archives you'll find interesting discussions on how to bring inside this equipments. just hope securities don't read this... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) re: alt.music.kraftwerk Date: 04 Apr 1998 16:53:56 -0800 Fred Becker asks: >How does one find this newsgroup? It is not listed on my list it seems.< >alt.music.kraftwerk< I can't find it either. Hm-m-m, I remember seeing it about a year ago on another internet service provider. I don't know what news server Humboldt Internet uses -("super news"? whatever)-, but, I have uwp.maillist.kraftwerk, which simply shows everything posted to THIS List. There's alt.music.synthpop and alt.music.techno and rec this & rec that, etc- I get all of those. I've posted the tour dates on alt synthpop & techno and I see other posts about KW now and then, sio, the word is definitely spreading. Grab those tickets ASAP! I just hope I can order by phone the MINUTE they go on sale because there are no local Ticketmaster offices and the local BASS office opens too late on Sundays. :[ ROBOBUMMER ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) (KW) Devices allowed in concerts..??? Date: 04 Apr 1998 20:40:53 EST On Fri, 03 Apr 1998 03:34:14 +0200 lbo writes: > >>Are there any electronic devices that we can take with us to the >>Californian KRFTWRK konzerts? >>(Ex: Cameras, DAT's, Tape recorders, Photograph cameras, Vocoders, >>Robovox ;), etc) > >seriously, these things depend with the local venue security. > >I don't think anyway that you'll be quietly allowed to tape them. in >the >archives you'll find interesting discussions on how to bring inside >this >equipments. just hope securities don't read this... > dont be discouraged or intimidated...your mission, if u choose to accept it, is to tape...where theres a will theres a way...full speed ahead...dont look back.... tom w np: kw ritz nyc 1981 (master) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) two questions (NOT off-topic!) Date: 04 Apr 1998 20:40:54 EST On Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:57:24 -0400 "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" writes: > 2) - I need further advice on bootleging concerts, specially >concerning >to microphones... > depends on the place...smaller places, like the palace in sp, or the canecao in rio, u can get by with one (two are better) smaller stereo mikes like the sony 929...location in the place is critical, however...half way back from the stage, center is optimal...bigger places, like the maracanaizinho or the ibirapuera, or stadiums for that matter, id recommend shotguns...bigger, bulkier, more noticeable, but pure sound, especially if u have assigned seats and are far away...its really all trial and error...u gotta know where ur gonna be and adjust to the environment...good luck... tom w np: rita lee @ anhembi 1982 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Tittl Subject: (kw) alt.music.kraftwerk Date: 05 Apr 1998 12:05:51 -0900 Fred Becker wrote: > > How does one find this newsgroup? It is not listed on my list it seems. > > alt.music.kraftwerk Ahhh, I'm not the only one. ...Vladi -- Earth Email: untold@mindless.com Australia http://www.alphalink.com.au/~untold Melbourne Voice ++61 3 9515 8842 Vladimir Tittl Fax ++61 3 9705 2212 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Tittl Subject: (kw) MPEG or RA, sound quality Date: 05 Apr 1998 12:25:49 -0900 > >> (well, encoding is quite slow with some programs, you might as well have > lunch/dinner in the meantime :-) ) > > > >hehehehe.......... (like the old 286 days) > > it took 286 days to have lunch/dinner? hehehehe.......... But just in case you didn't understand, 286 as in old ibm pc's..... ;-) ...Vladi -- Earth Email: untold@mindless.com Australia http://www.alphalink.com.au/~untold Melbourne Voice ++61 3 9515 8842 Vladimir Tittl Fax ++61 3 9705 2212 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Regor@webtv.net (R. D.) Subject: Re: (kw) alt.music.kraftwerk. Date: 04 Apr 1998 21:37:38 -0500 I go to http://www.dejanews.com and search for alt.music.kraftwerk. -- Roger. Regor@webtv.net rd411@yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Tittl Subject: (kw) Superior Date: 05 Apr 1998 12:40:33 -0900 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > Sorry, I've mistyped the address! > The correct URL is > http://www.emi.ch/emag/newsflash/newsflash.htm#upcoming releases OK, it's there, but it doesn't mention who the longplay is by, doesn't mention the name KW anywhere. ...Vladi -- Earth Email: untold@mindless.com Australia http://www.alphalink.com.au/~untold Melbourne Voice ++61 3 9515 8842 Vladimir Tittl Fax ++61 3 9705 2212 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Superior Date: 05 Apr 1998 12:12:45 +0000 > > http://www.emi.ch/emag/newsflash/newsflash.htm#upcoming releases > > OK, it's there, but it doesn't mention who the longplay is by, It is by Superior. > doesn't mention the name KW anywhere. Such namechecking would be very unusual for an "Upcoming releases" list. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@technologist.com (Jules Seifert) Subject: (kw) HOW TO SUBSCRIBE TO alt.music.kraftwerk Date: 05 Apr 1998 14:31:46 GMT Ok, it's incredibly simple. simply find out the number or email address of your Internet provider's support team. All you need do is request that they carry the group 'alt.music.kraftwerk' When they confirm that it has been added to their groups profile, all you then do is refresh your groups list, and hey presto, there it is, in all it's glory. In the meantime I will send out a 'refresher' cmnd to the alt superstructure, to ensure maximum exposure. I don't want to prat on about this, but this topic has also been discussed at length and can be found in the archives. ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! #Kraftwerk IRC homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ No:- 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) kraftwerk.com update Date: 05 Apr 1998 16:39:15 +0000 Minor update at kraftwerk.com: a) new page: konzert2.html b) "redesigned" page: konzert.html There are also minimal changes at menue.html and klingklang.html. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk.com update Date: 05 Apr 1998 18:19:26 +0000 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > Minor update at kraftwerk.com: > > a) new page: konzert2.html > b) "redesigned" page: konzert.html Indeed. And that's nice. BTW, possible name for the new album : Applet Running. Or simply : Java (as a reference to Ralf's passion for coffee...) jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nd Subject: (kw) hi Date: 05 Apr 1998 19:56:15 +0200 Hi! I'm a recent subcriber from Switzerland. I listen to and make electronics (see http://www.tinet.ch/table), and I like Kraftwerk. I have recently delved into some shops' electronics depts. and I found three vinyls by Kraftwerk that I'd never seen. I'd like to ask you lot if you can help me tracking down their origin. Here are the details: The three lps come each in a white sleeve, no cover, and white labels with nought written on them. The writing (carving) on the vinyl (a short writing) is deleted. Titles and tracklisting (plus some pictures from Kfw "proper" lp covers) come on a white A4 sheet stuck to the sleeve. Tracklisting: 1) Kraftwerk=20 Edition 1997 A1 Tour de France A2 Die Mensch-Maschine A3 Musique Non Stop B1 Electric caf=E9 B2 Nummern B3 Der Telefonanruf B4 Trans-europe Express Serial no. on a sticker on the sleeve: Kraftwerk LP EUR COD 591 2) Kraftwerk Edition 1997 II A1 Heimcomputer A2 Die Roboter A3 Techno Pop B1 Ruckzuck B2 Sex Objekt B3 Die Stimme der Energie Serial no. same as above 3) Kraftwerk Edition 3 A1 It's more fun to compute A2 Kristallo A3 Autobahn A4 Hall of Mirrors B1 Radioaktivitaet (sorry, I have no "umlaut" :-) B2 Uranium B3 Das Model Serial no. on sticker on sleeve: DIVERSE/LP EUR EDITI... (sticker ends here) Now the interesting bit: it all sounds very *GOOD*, mixed in an autechrian kind of way plus very heavy 808 bass drums. Distortion is generalized on some tracks. First thing I thought was: it's the Tribal Gathering gig, or something like that. There is some hiss on a few tracks, but no trace of applause or anything. And the tracklisting is not the same. But then, it could have been someone remixing Kraftwerk in a *very* clever= way. The remix technique seems to be: get some samples from the original tracks, chop them up nicely and add some sparse and loud drum machine loop plus some distorted sound. That's why I thought it could be someone else, just sampling the records and having a "1997" go at them. Whoever it is, they have done a great job. So, can you provide some further info about this stuff? I'd be most= grateful. Thanks in advance and excuse the lenghty msg, next time I will be shorter. nd =20 Table Homepage =20 music etc. =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: andrew48@gti.net Subject: (kw) TOUR from WWW.KRAFTERK.COM Date: 05 Apr 1998 14:03:50 -0400 Maybe i'm the first to notice this, but at www.kraftwerk.com they have a map of all of the upcoming tours. After you click on next, you see a page with TERMINE 98at teh top..I think this will be the 98 tour name. Its a hyperlink to http://www.tickets.de/artists/art6.html, so it looks quite real! Andrew from ze Computer Welt: http://www.angelfire.com/nj/groovethang # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PRODUKT 01 Subject: Re: (kw) TOUR from WWW.KRAFTERK.COM Date: 05 Apr 1998 14:15:30 EDT TERMINE As the tour name ? Doesnt that mean event or Date? That would be a strange name ..I dont think so Its good too see KW allowing some interaction the Graphic of the world and the concert sites marked in red. (interactive media) perhaps WWW.KRAFTWERK.COM will have more visitor interaction in the future. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) re: alt.music.kraftwerk Date: 05 Apr 1998 12:43:11 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, ROBOT wrote: > Fred Becker asks: > >How does one find this newsgroup? It is not listed on my list it > seems.< > >alt.music.kraftwerk< > > I can't find it either. Hm-m-m, I remember seeing it about a year ago > on another internet service provider. I don't know what news server > Humboldt Internet uses -("super news"? whatever)-, but, I have I've had alt.music.kraftwerk here for about a year. I requested the news admin to bring it in for me. However, there's never been a message in it. Our newsfeed is kinda spotty. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: (kw) about those two questions (NOT off-topic!) Date: 05 Apr 1998 16:15:36 -0400 At 20:40 -0500 04/04/98, tweibrecht@juno.com wrote: >depends on the place...smaller places, like the PALACE IN SP, or the >CANECAO IN RIO, u can get by with one (two are better) smaller stereo >mikes like the sony 929...location in the place is critical, >however...half way back from the stage, center is optimal...bigger >places, like the MARACANAIZINHO or the IBIRAPUERA, or stadiums for that >matter, id recommend shotguns...bigger, bulkier, more noticeable, but >pure sound, especially if u have assigned seats and are far away...its >really all trial and error...u gotta know where ur gonna be and adjust to >the environment...good luck... >tom w Yeah, you appear to know really A LOT about concert places here in Brazil... I personally don't believe that KW will come here, but I'm trying to get ready for that! I'm more than sure that if they come, they will not play in such places like you said because they are TOO BIG for KW, it would be not economically pratical - also those places are too much far from KW aesthetics... I think that [THE OTHER PLACE which I will not tell the name publicly for security reasons] is a much possible place, already been choosed by small audience groups like INFORMATION SOCIETY and others... If KW comes to Sao Paulo and plays there, I think it will be really possible to bootleg - directly from the "camarote" area - a higher place, over the audience, where you pay REALLY HIGH but you are in front (and up) of the stage, you have a table to 4 people and you can eat, drink, (and bootleg) in a very calm way... :-) :-) :-)) I'm planning to rent a small portable DAT or and MD (if I can't get a small enough DAT)... I will need some sort of batttery with at least 80 or 90 min of charge - for DAT there are easily T-90 and T-120 tapes, but I don't know about MD (T-74 maximum??). I will wrap the tape machine on my chest, under the suit, but in a way where I can acess transport controls and (if needed), change the tape... I thought about using two smaller-as-possible but also good-as- I-can-pay [rent] microphones, placing them each one under or over the end of my arms, near each hand... So in the concert I may "graduate" the stereo image (if I can get the "CENTER-front" camarote). At that place, you can enter with photo cameras, if they are not professional and flash-disabled... So I [actually my girfriend will] use one cheap 35mm cam with KODAK 1000 films (those that don't need flash)... I will have to buy one of that small and new high quality cams like Canon, those that are really small and look like 'tourist' cams, but are in reality fucking good cams with real power zoom lents (those will be operated by a friend that will join us)... A third friend will be with us just to enjoy (partially) the possible concert, but also to keep the waiter far from us, to avoid those 'talks' you hear on boot recordings... I had already dreamed about this all... :-) I considered renting a JVC DV1 digital video cam, but I thought that it would be to risky, even it being the smallest one I've ever seen (at the size of a VHS tape!)... I just remembered that that concert house has two big screens that they use for the entire audience be able to see concert details, so they will use a cammera to get images for the big screens (actually they record the concert on video... also on audio, by what I've been told here)... So it's not impossible to see some weeks later a VHS bootleg on some special places here... Audio bootleg is much impossible, but there's nothing you can't get without some good money and good talk - I will try my best, talking to the audio and video guys there... A list friend of here just asked me recently: "Why don't you came to the US and join us, we will be travelling and going to every possible KW concert!" and I said to him - Yeah, it would be REALLY FUCKING nice, I even have the money for that but I would not have the balls to try to bootleg anything on the US because I'm not there! I mean, here, I know what I can do, where, and how - which suit to use, how much to pay (bribe), the words to use,... Outside here (Sao Paulo,Brasil), I would NEVER try to do anything - it would be REALLY too risky... I THINK THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD TRY TO RECORD THE CONCERTS, ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD - WE CHOOSED TO FOLLOW AND ENJOY A GROUP (KRAFTWERK) THAT SIMPLY DOES NOT CARE FOR THEIR AUDIENCES AND THAT CHOOSED TO NOT RELEASE LIVE RECORDS... OK, IF THEY DON'T DO IT, WE WILL DO - PRIVATELY, WITHOUT ANY MONEY INTERE$T$... but please remember - try anything at your own risk, but think twice before getting into trouble! see ya' latter! regards, Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785 Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: (kw) two questions (NOT off-topic!) Date: 04 Apr 1998 12:38:15 -0400 hello everybody! I've got two questions for the older list members, referring to the possible new Tour concerts: (1) - Where in the hell of the NET may I get a confirmation if Kraftwerk will play in Brazil (Sao Paulo or Rio de Janeiro)? Is there any international ticket seller that may confirm that? By what I know there's not a brazilian internet ticket operator with such information... (2) - I need further advice on bootleging concerts, specially concerning to microphones... anyone may answer me public or private. many thanx! Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@sol.com.br - ICQ: 10271785 Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: Re: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com Date: 04 Apr 1998 11:24:00 PST >Of course, if the next KW album is released in 15 to 25 years from now, >then there's a fair amount of chances that it could be named >"www.kraftwerk.com", a very nostalgic concept at that time... Or maybee www.kraftwerk.li, there seems to be a perfect mirror of kraftwerk.com there. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MC3P0 Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftrant and David - a touching saga Date: 04 Apr 1998 14:16:48 -0800 >jbv wrote: > > > Finally, here's my question: does anyone know just how much interaction > > the was between Bowie and KW? It's interesting (for me at least) that KW > Ralf and M. Jackson, mentioned by Bussy). > > Indeed, Eno was the 1st one (in Before and After Science) to work with ---stuff I removed--- > german musicians (Moebius and Rodelius - remember that Krautrock was > the hype in the early 70s). As Eno also produced Low and Heroes for > Bowie, one can assume that he brought Bowie to that kind of music. > Anyway, in an interview from 76 (somewhere at Klaus' site) R&F clearly > KK, and they say that the FIRST time they met Iggy, it was in a lift), ---MORE schtuff deleted for Christ's sake. > R&F never collaborated with anyone else ? Or because R&F quickly > realized that Bowie was only there to suck their blood and take profit ---blah. > BTW, I remember that a couple of years later (78-79), Bowie used to > show up at some Human League gigs, and pretend it was the best combo ---show me your tits, Bowie, gimmie some sugar! > opening act in some Bowie's tour, but I need to check my sources to be > 100% sure... Nonesense! There is not such a thing as a "blood-thirsty" rock star... They all wanted to live peaceful, meaningful existances and be happy with that because we all love a tree-hugger with an exploitable talent and a seemingly inexhaustable supply of coke and rightous dignity. Why, who's to say that big brother Bowie didn't decide that The Human League really were the next big item for Americans to dig... Yeah, "Being Boiled" went over obnoxiously well... And speaking as an American - yeah, we've got musical taste up the ASS, baby. It's a chocolaty star-fishin' good time when dream groups like Winger and Nelson we getting insessant airplay in the states - we thrive on self abhorition. He might've even allowed the once genius, now career-waning bloated red suns of the apocalypse Bananarama to grace the stage once or twice. Hell, he's got Reznor a-hip-hoppin' and I can only wait and pray in anticipation for their combined musical "assault" (as in the context of a rejected Jadus Priest album title that only DAVID could salvage) when during their on-stage climax they anally rape Baby Spice for the MTV Video Music Awards (tm) ceremory. Hell, I can only hope that the MTV mogouls actually see the true wisdom in Bowies "smashing of crap" concept of trip-industrial and get David Tibet, Niel Tennant and John Tesh to all work with him on his newest secret project known only as "Shithole Release" (please Lord, please). Alright, reality is that Bowie hardly knew the music, despirately was trying to stay in the lead for money and fame through exaggerated fashion and a sense of supernatural mystic' all rolled into one "a-sexual" characture. In "those" terms I suppose that he does look like some grandios japanese version of Gabriel come to dose for the voyouristic Americans who are too paranoid to even fucking wear ear-rings, Christ, let alone sing about some obscure krout-rock cult group. Yeah, he had a Jesus complex. Only because he couldn't actually "live" or "be" or even absorb all of the cool shit that he was privy to fall into from one state of half-consciousness to another, like some stranger at your party, trying to outdrink everyone and still remain "cock-of-the-rock." He was the embodiment of a Duran Duran video-boy of colliding pop culture and drug culture, only with a self-absorbed, reality deprived super ego of a man named "Bowie" droning on and on about his "master-trips", happening to use exhibitionism as shock value in the name of his art (ooh, how rare a gem he is) . Spiders from Mars? Come on... Let's see muenstruating cattle who cry to an abandoned sense of self worth about being sterilized and then cut up into a food. Nothing would make my biscuit more buttery than a ballad about barren cattle who despirately require a "good milkin'." "Pathetic whore to the ignorance of lathe, this is the best it will ever be... think of the things it will never be." Yeah, perhaps Hutter has it all down and we're just missing the fact that he see's that Bowie was really trying his damnedest to provide as much of a drug induced stupor AND fun pop/rock in one foul-tasting, heroin addicted skinny white euro-fag "yes, reverb IS my fry-toy" who can consistantly market, produce and perform as if he were alien dna linking into the genepool of musical history. As one of my "cool" friends likes to put it "he was a Machine." I call him "pathetic" and "synthetic" - kinda like my first attempt at "industrial" music, although I kind of refer to it as "rectal rouge." He just refused to grow eyebrows, that was the key the whole time... Ahhh, I take it all back. He's brilliant damned it, BRILLIANT!!! Bill p.s. - Honestly, I do love Mr. Bowie, but I have to draw a line. This sick fascination must end. ; ) __________ _______________________________________ | o%o [_]| /The Sci-Fi Disco Fembots From Hell(tm)/\ |__________| / http://www.geocities.com/paris/6937 / / /ooo/ /ooo/\ /______________________________________/ / /___/////// /~\_________Analog is my bitch.__________\/ \_________\/ "It's klinkity-klankity disco goodness!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tezzy M" Subject: (kw) Karl Bartos Date: 05 Apr 1998 11:22:41 CEST I was at a Mobile Homes gig a couple of days ago here in Stockholm. Karl Bartos was also there and he stod next to me and my friends during the gig. After it one of the Mobile Homes-members let us in backstage and we all got Bartos' autograph. We didn't really talk to him 'cos he left after writing the autographs, but it was very cool anyways. Yesterday I read an interview with him in a news-paper. He said that he talk to Ralf and Florian sometimes, but they're only interested in their bikes... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: andrew48@gti.net Subject: Re: (kw) TOUR from WWW.KRAFTERK.COM Date: 05 Apr 1998 17:26:32 -0400 At 02:15 PM 4/5/98 EDT, you wrote: > > TERMINE > As the tour name ? Doesnt that mean event or Date? > That would be a strange name ..I dont think so > Oops your right, i need to get some sleep :). Hehe, the san fran show tickets are selling on my birthday! weeee Andrew from ze Computer Welt: http://www.angelfire.com/nj/groovethang # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Becker Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Interview, Triad Radio 1975 Date: 05 Apr 1998 15:52:36 -0700 Triad Radio was a great Chicago radio station in the 1970's. Here is from one of their DJ's pages (Klaus, Jules, do you have this on your links?): ---------- Kraftwerk Interview (first published in Triad Magazine June 1975) While the casual listener may be quick to draw comparisons to Pink Floyd and "space music" in general, in reality there is far more to Kraftwerk than that. Space is only a part of the total Kraftwerk concept, for it also includes Time and Mechanics, and not only time and space, but visual and other sensory phenomenon. They are working with artists in other fields in conjunction with their music and are anxious to begin producing video discs of their art. Lyrics are becoming a more regular part of their music. Autobahn has a fully descriptive character taking the listener for a quick cruise down Germany's famed superhighway. It becomes and indistinguishable blend of vision and reality, as it begins with a slam of a car door and proceeds to imitate the sounds of the cars whizzing down the road. The mysterious whispering tones of "Kometenmelodie" soar lightly into the ether and leave the listener with a grandious spatial experience. They perceive commonplace occurrences and transform them into dramatic situations. Just as writers and poets play with words and phrases, painters play with colors and perspectives, and sculptors play with shapes and forms, so Kraftwerk plays with sounds. The qualities attributed to the arts are equally applicable to their music. It is shaped, phrased, colored, molded, mixed and modified into a unified experience. The music is sketched on broadly fundamental lines leaving leaving the setting and filling in, to a great extent, to the listener. In such such a vague and ethereal art Kraftwerk excels in transforming the commonplace sounds of daily life to a stirring and spiritual experience. Interview with Ralf Hutter and Florian Schneider by Saul Smaizys Triad -is the term "space rock" applicable to your music? Ralf -We are part of the Industrial generation. We grew up. . . Florian -. . . very impressed by these machinery rhythms that we used in our music, the mechanical aspects of life. Technology is no enemy to us. We use technology as it is. We also like nature but you cannot say the Technology is any better or worse than nature. You have to accept all of these things as they are in the world today. ---------- See the rest of the interview at http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~saxmania/kraft.html And have your speakers turned on for a great MIDI rendition of The Model that is on this page. Kool. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftrant and David - a touching saga Date: 05 Apr 1998 16:05:18 -0700 MC3P0 spake thusly unto the masses: -(Snippety Doo-Dah....)- > Nonesense! There is not such a thing as a "blood-thirsty" rock star...< >American - yeah, we've got musical taste up the ASS, baby.< >when during their on-stage climax they anally rape Baby Spice for the MTV Video Music Awards (tm) ceremory.< ROTFLM@O!! Off-topic, but FUN-NEE SchtuPhPh!! > Yeah, perhaps Hutter has it all down and we're just missing the fact that he see's that Bowie was really trying his damnedest to provide as much of a drug induced stupor AND fun pop/rock in one foul-tasting, heroin addicted skinny white euro-fag "yes, reverb IS my fry-toy" who can consistantly market, produce and perform as if he were alien dna linking into the genepool of musical history.< Yep- "The Man Who Fell To Earth". SCI-FI Flick. I like Bowie -don't get me wrong- but, reading this, I gotta LAFF!!*HeeHee*!! PS: "Top 100 Artists on VH-1" today. No mention of KW. I don't think I wanna stick around for the top ten. Let me guess, Beatles, Elvis.... whatever.*YAWN*. PSPS: Did everyone remember to RESET their CLOCKS? Spring FORward 1 hour. Daylight time. woopie. I want my missing hour of sleep back! PSPSPS: Oh, yeah- FLORIAN'S Geburtstag ist Apr 7! 51 jahre alt- Prosit! Happy Birthday, Florian! Okay- can we get back on topic now? *snicker* ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Regor@webtv.net (R. D.) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Interview, Triad Radio 1975. Date: 05 Apr 1998 20:16:01 -0500 They mention in the interview that they want to use "video disc technology". Fine, but are they using it only for their concerts to show images on the screens behind them? Now it is 1998, their fans have a home theater system, Digital Video Disc players and what they want is "official" DVDs of their favorite group who was talking about it _23_ years ago and hasn't produced one single "official" Video Disc (or videocassette) yet. What a missed opportunity by KW and what a loss for their loyal fans! :-[ -- Roger. Regor@webtv.net rd411@yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftrant and David - a touching saga Date: 05 Apr 1998 21:51:36 +0500 On 06-Apr-98, ROBOT wrote: >Yep- "The Man Who Fell To Earth". SCI-FI Flick. I like Bowie -don't >get me wrong- but, reading this, I gotta LAFF!!*HeeHee*!! Great film, and chronologically on-target. Only Bowie could have played Tom Newton, I guess. What has Walter Tevis written lately? Kind of a one-hit wonder, like Walter Miller Jr., who wrote 'A Canticle For Liebowitz'? >PSPS: Did everyone remember to RESET their CLOCKS? Spring FORward 1 >hour. Daylight time. woopie. I want my missing hour of sleep back! Me too. I just barely remembered! ZZZZZ >PSPSPS: Oh, yeah- FLORIAN'S Geburtstag ist Apr 7! >51 jahre alt- Prosit! Happy Birthday, Florian! Happy Geburtstag to youuuuuuu-- np: Quest For Fire (video) ________ Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Becker Subject: (kw) KW Fan Campaign to EMI? Date: 05 Apr 1998 15:34:32 -0700 Can we do a similar thing to try and get more tour dates for Kraftwerk? We could have both the Konvoy page for confirmed dates and a "?" page for cities people would like to see a concert in. We'd then have to bombard EMI or the tour sponsor to show them the web sites so they would consider adding tour dates. See what somebody is doing here for New Order: Organization: Netcom Newsgroups: alt.music.new-order, alt.music.synthpop On July 18th New Order will be performing at the Phoenix festival in the Uk. Since the press release of the concert The fans have been extremely excited in anticipation of further dates for a tour. Unfortunately none have been reported yet. This web site was set up to give fans the ability to make comments on how they feel about having a tour for 1998. Everyone who signs the guest book at this web site will have their message seen by representatives of the entertainment industry who can make this happen..... Please take the time to sign the guest book so others can understand the importance of this matter. Thank you for your participation and support!! http://members.wbs.net/homepages/u/l/t/ultralimited.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in "CU Amiga" Date: 06 Apr 1998 20:35:00 +0200 Hi all (fanatic article collectors... ;)! While I was downtown today I picked up the April issue of "CU Amiga". After flipping through it, I came to an article called "Sound Lab" where music and sound on the Internet and the Amiga was discussed. After reading about the origins of electronic music I saw a very familiar picture: the "live graphics" from the Konzert page at kraftwerk.com! The text read as follows: Kraftwerk --------- Moving on to 1968 we come to the meeting of the founders of modern electronic music, Kraftwerk. Florian Schneider-Esleben and Ralf Hutter met at the Kunstakademie (Academy of Arts) in Remschied, near Dusseldorf, Germany. Later they both went on to be classically trained at the Dusseldorf Conservatory. They formed a group called Organisation whose early music was a mixture of sounds, feedback and rhythm. In 1970, the two went on to create the KlingKlang studio and Kraftwerk was born. It was their music that began the evolution of house, techno and industrial music; as well influencing many other bands and styles of music. Be sure to visit the official Kraftwerk website at: http://www.kraftwerk.com/ It does not contain much, but it is definitely Kraftwerk. For more detailed Kraftwerk historical information be sure to visit the Kraftwerk: The Early Years site, at: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880/ [Writer: Dhomas Trenn. BTW, there were no Umlauts in the article...] ____________________________ Really nice to this in a computer mag! They also recommended "120 Years of Electronic Music" at http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/ , something I have yet to check out myself. -- E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) He he he... (again) Date: 06 Apr 1998 23:23:28 +0000 Possible names for the forthcoming KW tour : - the Overdue Pionneers Tour - the Great D=FCsseldorf Swindle Tour - The 28th Anniversary of the Creation of Techno Tour - the Obsolete Quartet Tour - the Unplugged Robots Tour jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Merchandise Ideas Date: 06 Apr 1998 21:50:56 +0100 did anyone remember to include manmachine rolling mats, pipes, and giant size Rizlas? they'd be a favourite round our place. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Merchandise Ideas Date: 06 Apr 1998 21:50:56 +0100 did anyone remember to include manmachine rolling mats, pipes, and giant size Rizlas? they'd be a favourite round our place. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) about those two questions (NOT off-topic!) Date: 06 Apr 1998 23:14:16 +0000 Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR wrote: > > WE CHOOSED TO FOLLOW AND ENJOY > A GROUP (KRAFTWERK) THAT SIMPLY DOES NOT CARE FOR THEIR > AUDIENCES AND THAT CHOOSED TO NOT RELEASE LIVE RECORDS... I thought The MIX was a "live mix" album... he he he... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk.com update Date: 07 Apr 1998 07:32:57 +0900 At 5 Apr 1998 16:39:15 +0000, Klaus Zaepke wrote: >Minor update at kraftwerk.com: > >a) new page: konzert2.html It says "TERMINE 1998"... Is it the name of the tour? 8-) A deep word...... ---- Hiroshi MURATA (NTT Software Labs./Musashino Tokyo Japan) (work) (private) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) sonar prices Date: 06 Apr 1998 22:35:19 +0200 hello, somebody knows something about the prices for the Sonar festival? I browsed www.sonar.es and www.ticketworld.de, but did not find it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Tittl Subject: (kw) kraftwerk.com update Date: 07 Apr 1998 09:57:35 -0900 > It says "TERMINE 1998"... Is it the name of the tour? 8-) come on people, it's just german for "DATES 1998" ...Vladi -- Earth Email: untold@mindless.com Australia http://www.alphalink.com.au/~untold Melbourne Voice ++61 3 9515 8842 Vladimir Tittl Fax ++61 3 9705 2212 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Tittl Subject: (kw) kraftwerk.com update Date: 07 Apr 1998 09:57:35 -0900 > It says "TERMINE 1998"... Is it the name of the tour? 8-) come on people, it's just german for "DATES 1998" ...Vladi -- Earth Email: untold@mindless.com Australia http://www.alphalink.com.au/~untold Melbourne Voice ++61 3 9515 8842 Vladimir Tittl Fax ++61 3 9705 2212 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) He he he... (again) Date: 07 Apr 1998 02:27:55 +0200 On 07-Apr-98 A.D., jbv carved the following runes about "(kw) He he he... (again)": > - the Unplugged Robots Tour - the Robots Plugged to a Life Support Machine Tour -- E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) He he he... (again) Date: 07 Apr 1998 02:27:55 +0200 On 07-Apr-98 A.D., jbv carved the following runes about "(kw) He he he... (again)": > - the Unplugged Robots Tour - the Robots Plugged to a Life Support Machine Tour -- E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EJRSemiGod Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk.com update Date: 06 Apr 1998 23:00:57 EDT In a message dated 98-04-06 19:27:05 EDT, hiroshi@pobox.com writes: << It says "TERMINE 1998"... Is it the name of the tour? 8-) >> Knowing VERRRY little german, I remember it meaning "Date" or "Dates".. EJRSemiDuck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: Re: (kw) KW Fan Campaign to EMI? Date: 07 Apr 1998 00:05:39 -0400 At 15:34 -0700 05/04/98, Fred Becker wrote: >Can we do a similar thing to try and get more tour dates for Kraftwerk? We >could have both the Konvoy page for confirmed dates and a "?" page for >cities people would like to see a concert in. We'd then have to bombard >EMI or the tour sponsor to show them the web sites so they would consider >adding tour dates. See what somebody is doing here for New Order: I think that KW and EMI would just do the same shit they've been doing for quite a long time - simply ignore us... That would not be new to us! But that would be a beautiful try... Maybe a little ingenious... regards, Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785 Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: Re: (kw) about those two questions (NOT off-topic!) Date: 07 Apr 1998 00:05:39 -0400 At 23:14 +0000 06/04/98, jbv.silences@wanadoo.fr wrote: >Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR wrote: >> WE CHOOSED TO FOLLOW AND ENJOY >> A GROUP (KRAFTWERK) THAT SIMPLY DOES NOT CARE FOR THEIR >> AUDIENCES AND THAT CHOOSED TO NOT RELEASE LIVE RECORDS... >I thought The MIX was a "live mix" album... he he he... No problema! It happens even on the best families!! :-)) At least you did not spent almost half hundred bucks and a lot of time to get the "GERMAN LANGUAGE" version of RADIOACTIVITY... as I did... :-(( At least we have those 'good guys' (?) that bootleg unavailable KW material to us - some are surely pure fans, others may be mercenaries/merchants, but if we can't trust on KW to get live/hot/rare material, at least someone can "feed" us!! :-] CAN WE TRUST ON A BAND THAT DON'T EVEN RELEASE THEIR TOUR-DATE COMPLETE LIST?!?!?!? (I may be exagerating a little here...) :-)))) But also remember the other side of the story: JEAN-MICHEL JARRE has much more albuns than KW... but you can count which ones are REALLY 'original' material, and the bigger part of the list is of 'live concerts' with ALMOST-100%-STUDIO-LIKE versions of his biggest hits (how many versions, including live, are there of Magnetic Fields2 or Rendez-Vous4??) - so that's not a real advantage... :-/ I hope KW don't try to imitate that french pioneer... But they have something in common: BOTH OF THEM PREFERED TO DENY THEIR PASTS... ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? We will never know what would have been KW if they choosed to be not so pop and did\ something nearer R&F than AUTOBAHN - I really like AUTOBAHN, but I PERSONALLY think that R&F is much better and ahead of it's time... Or what would happened if JMJ did not left the concrete music group (GRAM? GRM? I don't remember...) and kept on studying with [the genious] PIERRE SCHAEFFER... Who, coincidently, also denied everything he did - musique concrete, traite des objects musicaux, - I can't understand why all these people wanted to forget their pasts... Maybe it should be easier to understand JMJ's reasons... All I can say is... That's life! regards to all, Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785 Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EJRSemiGod Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk.com update Date: 06 Apr 1998 23:00:57 EDT In a message dated 98-04-06 19:27:05 EDT, hiroshi@pobox.com writes: << It says "TERMINE 1998"... Is it the name of the tour? 8-) >> Knowing VERRRY little german, I remember it meaning "Date" or "Dates".. EJRSemiDuck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: Re[2]: (kw) about those two questions (NOT off-topic!) Date: 07 Apr 1998 00:07:34 -0400 I wrote: >>I THINK THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD TRY TO RECORD THE CONCERTS, >>ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD - WE CHOOSED TO FOLLOW AND ENJOY >>A GROUP (KRAFTWERK) THAT SIMPLY DOES NOT CARE FOR THEIR >>AUDIENCES AND THAT CHOOSED TO NOT RELEASE LIVE RECORDS... >>OK, IF THEY DON'T DO IT, WE WILL DO - PRIVATELY, WITHOUT ANY >>MONEY INTERE$T$... but please remember - try anything at your own >>risk, but think twice before getting into trouble! and at 16:25 +0500 05/04/98, Christopher Gross wrote: >I agree. I wouldn't think of bootlegging the NYC concert unless I thought it >was possible. :-) I'd hate to be thrown out after having missed them TWICE. You SURELY may not believe me, but I already DREAMED that I was on the tour98 concert in Sao Paulo [that probably may not happen], and, I don't know how, I was on a camarote with a really huge video camera (such a Panasonic M9000!!!), and I was recording everything! [really a dream!] Without any problem!!!! (?!?!?!?!?!) The concert started, and KW were playing AUTOBAHN as the 1st song (?!?!really strange!) and suddently, HUETTER (who looked much older with a really-gray hair) stoped singing, looked to me and said: "Hey, stop recording NOW or we will not play!" And everything became MUTE - just silence and I, being looked by everybody... And them 3 "KING KONG" security guys just throw me out of the concert house (without the CAM!) But, thanks GOD!, my mother just wake me up of that almost-nightmare dream.... (This concert-shit is being too much expectation for me!) regards, Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785 Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EJRSemiGod Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk.com update Date: 06 Apr 1998 23:00:57 EDT In a message dated 98-04-06 19:27:05 EDT, hiroshi@pobox.com writes: << It says "TERMINE 1998"... Is it the name of the tour? 8-) >> Knowing VERRRY little german, I remember it meaning "Date" or "Dates".. EJRSemiDuck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: Re[2]: (kw) about those two questions (NOT off-topic!) Date: 07 Apr 1998 00:07:34 -0400 I wrote: >>I THINK THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD TRY TO RECORD THE CONCERTS, >>ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD - WE CHOOSED TO FOLLOW AND ENJOY >>A GROUP (KRAFTWERK) THAT SIMPLY DOES NOT CARE FOR THEIR >>AUDIENCES AND THAT CHOOSED TO NOT RELEASE LIVE RECORDS... >>OK, IF THEY DON'T DO IT, WE WILL DO - PRIVATELY, WITHOUT ANY >>MONEY INTERE$T$... but please remember - try anything at your own >>risk, but think twice before getting into trouble! and at 16:25 +0500 05/04/98, Christopher Gross wrote: >I agree. I wouldn't think of bootlegging the NYC concert unless I thought it >was possible. :-) I'd hate to be thrown out after having missed them TWICE. You SURELY may not believe me, but I already DREAMED that I was on the tour98 concert in Sao Paulo [that probably may not happen], and, I don't know how, I was on a camarote with a really huge video camera (such a Panasonic M9000!!!), and I was recording everything! [really a dream!] Without any problem!!!! (?!?!?!?!?!) The concert started, and KW were playing AUTOBAHN as the 1st song (?!?!really strange!) and suddently, HUETTER (who looked much older with a really-gray hair) stoped singing, looked to me and said: "Hey, stop recording NOW or we will not play!" And everything became MUTE - just silence and I, being looked by everybody... And them 3 "KING KONG" security guys just throw me out of the concert house (without the CAM!) But, thanks GOD!, my mother just wake me up of that almost-nightmare dream.... (This concert-shit is being too much expectation for me!) regards, Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785 Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: Re: (kw) about those two questions (NOT off-topic!) Date: 07 Apr 1998 00:05:39 -0400 At 23:14 +0000 06/04/98, jbv.silences@wanadoo.fr wrote: >Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR wrote: >> WE CHOOSED TO FOLLOW AND ENJOY >> A GROUP (KRAFTWERK) THAT SIMPLY DOES NOT CARE FOR THEIR >> AUDIENCES AND THAT CHOOSED TO NOT RELEASE LIVE RECORDS... >I thought The MIX was a "live mix" album... he he he... No problema! It happens even on the best families!! :-)) At least you did not spent almost half hundred bucks and a lot of time to get the "GERMAN LANGUAGE" version of RADIOACTIVITY... as I did... :-(( At least we have those 'good guys' (?) that bootleg unavailable KW material to us - some are surely pure fans, others may be mercenaries/merchants, but if we can't trust on KW to get live/hot/rare material, at least someone can "feed" us!! :-] CAN WE TRUST ON A BAND THAT DON'T EVEN RELEASE THEIR TOUR-DATE COMPLETE LIST?!?!?!? (I may be exagerating a little here...) :-)))) But also remember the other side of the story: JEAN-MICHEL JARRE has much more albuns than KW... but you can count which ones are REALLY 'original' material, and the bigger part of the list is of 'live concerts' with ALMOST-100%-STUDIO-LIKE versions of his biggest hits (how many versions, including live, are there of Magnetic Fields2 or Rendez-Vous4??) - so that's not a real advantage... :-/ I hope KW don't try to imitate that french pioneer... But they have something in common: BOTH OF THEM PREFERED TO DENY THEIR PASTS... ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? We will never know what would have been KW if they choosed to be not so pop and did\ something nearer R&F than AUTOBAHN - I really like AUTOBAHN, but I PERSONALLY think that R&F is much better and ahead of it's time... Or what would happened if JMJ did not left the concrete music group (GRAM? GRM? I don't remember...) and kept on studying with [the genious] PIERRE SCHAEFFER... Who, coincidently, also denied everything he did - musique concrete, traite des objects musicaux, - I can't understand why all these people wanted to forget their pasts... Maybe it should be easier to understand JMJ's reasons... All I can say is... That's life! regards to all, Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785 Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: Re: (kw) KW Fan Campaign to EMI? Date: 07 Apr 1998 00:05:39 -0400 At 15:34 -0700 05/04/98, Fred Becker wrote: >Can we do a similar thing to try and get more tour dates for Kraftwerk? We >could have both the Konvoy page for confirmed dates and a "?" page for >cities people would like to see a concert in. We'd then have to bombard >EMI or the tour sponsor to show them the web sites so they would consider >adding tour dates. See what somebody is doing here for New Order: I think that KW and EMI would just do the same shit they've been doing for quite a long time - simply ignore us... That would not be new to us! But that would be a beautiful try... Maybe a little ingenious... regards, Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785 Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: Re: (kw) KW Fan Campaign to EMI? Date: 07 Apr 1998 00:05:39 -0400 At 15:34 -0700 05/04/98, Fred Becker wrote: >Can we do a similar thing to try and get more tour dates for Kraftwerk? We >could have both the Konvoy page for confirmed dates and a "?" page for >cities people would like to see a concert in. We'd then have to bombard >EMI or the tour sponsor to show them the web sites so they would consider >adding tour dates. See what somebody is doing here for New Order: I think that KW and EMI would just do the same shit they've been doing for quite a long time - simply ignore us... That would not be new to us! But that would be a beautiful try... Maybe a little ingenious... regards, Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785 Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: Re: (kw) KW Fan Campaign to EMI? Date: 07 Apr 1998 00:05:39 -0400 At 15:34 -0700 05/04/98, Fred Becker wrote: >Can we do a similar thing to try and get more tour dates for Kraftwerk? We >could have both the Konvoy page for confirmed dates and a "?" page for >cities people would like to see a concert in. We'd then have to bombard >EMI or the tour sponsor to show them the web sites so they would consider >adding tour dates. See what somebody is doing here for New Order: I think that KW and EMI would just do the same shit they've been doing for quite a long time - simply ignore us... That would not be new to us! But that would be a beautiful try... Maybe a little ingenious... regards, Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785 Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Allen Subject: (kw) New to the list Date: 07 Apr 1998 01:45:02 -0500 Howdy I'm new to the list so I thought I'd introduce myself. My name is Dan Allen and I've been listening to Kraftwerk for about 1 1/2 years. I dunno if this has been posted about or not being new but anyhow. I was on the net and seen some lists for a kraftwerk concert one date was for 6/10/98 in chicago at the riveara. I just happen to be going there during that date. I checked the ticket master page to aquire some tickets and searched a bit more on the net and only came up with a ticket master phone # to call. I called and they said they had no idea what I was talking about. I'd really like to get tickets could someone help me out? Thanks. Dan Allen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) What a Sad git...... Date: 07 Apr 1998 09:06:04 +0100 yes Julze, that is sad... that Anne Robinson's a hot babe though isn't she :) >Well, for all thosew anoraks out there who a bit of good 'ole Kraftwerk >spotting, us lucky UK folks were treated to a snip of 'telephone call' >on 'BBC Watchdog' last night. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Merchandise Ideas Date: 07 Apr 1998 09:19:51 +0100 Jon Alsbury wrote: > > did anyone remember to include manmachine rolling mats, pipes, and giant > size Rizlas? they'd be a favourite round our place. > BON-N-N-G Boom *TOKE* -- ciao, Jules Seifert #Kraftwerk IRC channel http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ#: 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) What a Sad git...... Date: 07 Apr 1998 09:24:00 +0100 Jon Alsbury wrote: > > yes Julze, that is sad... > > that Anne Robinson's a hot babe though isn't she :) > nah, I'm an Alice Beer man myself, especially when she puts on them leather numbers...... -- ciao, Jules Seifert #Kraftwerk IRC channel http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ#: 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: (kw) EYE tests anyone? Date: 07 Apr 1998 09:25:24 +0100 Is it me, or are there multiple copies of messages appearing on this list?? Although I must say most of them appear to come from Brazil ;-) -- ciao, Jules Seifert #Kraftwerk IRC channel http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ#: 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Poolton Subject: (kw) A cold shower Date: 07 Apr 1998 09:41:24 +0100 Was it Jon that wrote: "yes Julze, that is sad... that Anne Robinson's a hot babe though isn't she :)" >>Jon, you are a VERY, VERY sick man! :-)) Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Talley Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk.com update Date: 07 Apr 1998 02:03:18 -0700 >Vladimir Tittl wrote: > > It says "TERMINE 1998"... Is it the name of the tour? 8-) > come on people, it's just german for "DATES 1998" Well, it actually sounds like "terminate" and they are not planning on continuing as Kraftwerk after this tour, right? Thus, the fatalistic title. BTW - did anyone else notice that you can click on the globe and spin it around? Nice applet! 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: (kw) Re: www.kraftwerk.com update Date: 07 Apr 1998 11:20:09 +0200 > "TERMINE 1998" and now Kraftwerk robots should be called TERMINATORs :) Tim. -- Timour JGENTI | Institut Francais du Petrole _______________|___________________________________ _______________| mailto:timour.jgenti@ifp.fr _______________| http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) A cold shower Date: 07 Apr 1998 12:02:38 +0100 >>>Jon, you are a VERY, VERY sick man! :-)) why, thank you! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Merchandise Ideas Date: 07 Apr 1998 11:39:06 +0200 On 07-Apr-98 A.D., Jules Seifert carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Merchandise Ideas": > Jon Alsbury wrote: >> >> did anyone remember to include manmachine rolling mats, pipes, and >> giant size Rizlas? they'd be a favourite round our place. > > BON-N-N-G Boom *TOKE* "Tjack" (pronounced like "tschak") is Swedish slang for dope (mainly grass)... :) -- E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) New to the list Date: 07 Apr 1998 13:22:21 +0000 Dan Allen wrote: > > Howdy I'm new to the list so I thought I'd introduce myself. My name is Dan > Allen and I've been listening to Kraftwerk for about 1 1/2 years. Non Stop ???? Jeez... > I dunno if this has been posted about or not being new but anyhow. I was on > the net and seen some lists for a kraftwerk concert one date was for > 6/10/98 in chicago at the riveara. I just happen to be going there during > that date. No kidding ? > I checked the ticket master page to aquire some tickets and searched a bit > more on the net and only came up with a ticket master phone # to call. I > called and they said they had no idea what I was talking about. I'd really > like to get tickets could someone help me out? Thanks. Indeed, you're new to the list... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) At last one useful post from jbv ! Date: 07 Apr 1998 13:50:40 +0000 Don't miss tonight program on french-german channel Arte : it's about robotics and artificial intelligence. 9:35 PM - french time jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: Re: (kw) KW Fan Campaign to EMI? Date: 07 Apr 1998 00:05:39 -0400 At 15:34 -0700 05/04/98, Fred Becker wrote: >Can we do a similar thing to try and get more tour dates for Kraftwerk? We >could have both the Konvoy page for confirmed dates and a "?" page for >cities people would like to see a concert in. We'd then have to bombard >EMI or the tour sponsor to show them the web sites so they would consider >adding tour dates. See what somebody is doing here for New Order: I think that KW and EMI would just do the same shit they've been doing for quite a long time - simply ignore us... That would not be new to us! But that would be a beautiful try... Maybe a little ingenious... regards, Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785 Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: Re[2]: (kw) about those two questions (NOT off-topic!) Date: 07 Apr 1998 00:07:34 -0400 I wrote: >>I THINK THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD TRY TO RECORD THE CONCERTS, >>ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD - WE CHOOSED TO FOLLOW AND ENJOY >>A GROUP (KRAFTWERK) THAT SIMPLY DOES NOT CARE FOR THEIR >>AUDIENCES AND THAT CHOOSED TO NOT RELEASE LIVE RECORDS... >>OK, IF THEY DON'T DO IT, WE WILL DO - PRIVATELY, WITHOUT ANY >>MONEY INTERE$T$... but please remember - try anything at your own >>risk, but think twice before getting into trouble! and at 16:25 +0500 05/04/98, Christopher Gross wrote: >I agree. I wouldn't think of bootlegging the NYC concert unless I thought it >was possible. :-) I'd hate to be thrown out after having missed them TWICE. You SURELY may not believe me, but I already DREAMED that I was on the tour98 concert in Sao Paulo [that probably may not happen], and, I don't know how, I was on a camarote with a really huge video camera (such a Panasonic M9000!!!), and I was recording everything! [really a dream!] Without any problem!!!! (?!?!?!?!?!) The concert started, and KW were playing AUTOBAHN as the 1st song (?!?!really strange!) and suddently, HUETTER (who looked much older with a really-gray hair) stoped singing, looked to me and said: "Hey, stop recording NOW or we will not play!" And everything became MUTE - just silence and I, being looked by everybody... And them 3 "KING KONG" security guys just throw me out of the concert house (without the CAM!) But, thanks GOD!, my mother just wake me up of that almost-nightmare dream.... (This concert-shit is being too much expectation for me!) regards, Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785 Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) What a Sad git...... Date: 07 Apr 1998 11:22:35 +0100 >nah, I'm an Alice Beer man myself, especially when she puts on them >leather numbers...... >ciao, > >------------------------------------------ >Jules Seifert ...and oh how those leather numbers travel all the way up!!! Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: (kw) Endlos endlos Date: 07 Apr 1998 14:17:48 +0200 On 07-Apr-98 A.D., jbv carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) New to the list": > Dan Allen wrote: >> >> Howdy I'm new to the list so I thought I'd introduce myself. My name is >> Dan Allen and I've been listening to Kraftwerk for about 1 1/2 years. > > Non Stop ???? Jeez... In total, stooopid! 1.5 years equals 13140 hours or two hours daily listening for 18 years..... -- E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk.com update Date: 07 Apr 1998 21:57:05 +0900 At 07 Apr 1998 09:57:35 -0900, Vladimir Tittl wrote: >> It says "TERMINE 1998"... Is it the name of the tour? 8-) > >come on people, it's just german for "DATES 1998" Yes it _IS_ a truth, and my German dictionary tells me so too. 8-) But I'm not yet sure if it's German, since some other languages have the same spelling... Let's just hope it isn't French. ;-) ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) MPEG or RA, sound quality Date: 05 Apr 1998 15:51:28 EDT >But just in case you didn't understand, 286 as in old ibm pc's..... Hey, don't laugh...I wrote my web page on an XT... then moved it to my laptop to upload it...just to prove it could be done. Don't believe me? The URL is: http://www.ameritech.net/users/huggy_bear/bearsville.html (unfortunately, I have no Kraftwerk links - yet. Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 np: Clarence Carter - Strokin' _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: Re: (kw) about those two questions (NOT off-topic!) Date: 07 Apr 1998 00:05:39 -0400 At 23:14 +0000 06/04/98, jbv.silences@wanadoo.fr wrote: >Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR wrote: >> WE CHOOSED TO FOLLOW AND ENJOY >> A GROUP (KRAFTWERK) THAT SIMPLY DOES NOT CARE FOR THEIR >> AUDIENCES AND THAT CHOOSED TO NOT RELEASE LIVE RECORDS... >I thought The MIX was a "live mix" album... he he he... No problema! It happens even on the best families!! :-)) At least you did not spent almost half hundred bucks and a lot of time to get the "GERMAN LANGUAGE" version of RADIOACTIVITY... as I did... :-(( At least we have those 'good guys' (?) that bootleg unavailable KW material to us - some are surely pure fans, others may be mercenaries/merchants, but if we can't trust on KW to get live/hot/rare material, at least someone can "feed" us!! :-] CAN WE TRUST ON A BAND THAT DON'T EVEN RELEASE THEIR TOUR-DATE COMPLETE LIST?!?!?!? (I may be exagerating a little here...) :-)))) But also remember the other side of the story: JEAN-MICHEL JARRE has much more albuns than KW... but you can count which ones are REALLY 'original' material, and the bigger part of the list is of 'live concerts' with ALMOST-100%-STUDIO-LIKE versions of his biggest hits (how many versions, including live, are there of Magnetic Fields2 or Rendez-Vous4??) - so that's not a real advantage... :-/ I hope KW don't try to imitate that french pioneer... But they have something in common: BOTH OF THEM PREFERED TO DENY THEIR PASTS... ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? We will never know what would have been KW if they choosed to be not so pop and did\ something nearer R&F than AUTOBAHN - I really like AUTOBAHN, but I PERSONALLY think that R&F is much better and ahead of it's time... Or what would happened if JMJ did not left the concrete music group (GRAM? GRM? I don't remember...) and kept on studying with [the genious] PIERRE SCHAEFFER... Who, coincidently, also denied everything he did - musique concrete, traite des objects musicaux, - I can't understand why all these people wanted to forget their pasts... Maybe it should be easier to understand JMJ's reasons... All I can say is... That's life! regards to all, Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net - ICQ: 10271785 Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) What a Sad git...... Date: 07 Apr 1998 14:02:03 +0100 Craig Land wrote: > > ...and oh how those leather numbers travel all the way up!!! > > Craig. > Somebody please end this thread, for the sake of my eyesight ;-) -- ciao, Jules Seifert #Kraftwerk IRC channel http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ#: 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EJRSemiGod Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk.com update Date: 06 Apr 1998 23:00:57 EDT In a message dated 98-04-06 19:27:05 EDT, hiroshi@pobox.com writes: << It says "TERMINE 1998"... Is it the name of the tour? 8-) >> Knowing VERRRY little german, I remember it meaning "Date" or "Dates".. EJRSemiDuck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Regor@webtv.net (R. D.) Subject: (kw) A sad KW fan with a beard. Date: 07 Apr 1998 10:22:31 -0400 :-[kw -- Roger. Regor@webtv.net rd411@yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Tittl Subject: (kw) kraftwerk.com update Date: 07 Apr 1998 09:57:35 -0900 > It says "TERMINE 1998"... Is it the name of the tour? 8-) come on people, it's just german for "DATES 1998" ...Vladi -- Earth Email: untold@mindless.com Australia http://www.alphalink.com.au/~untold Melbourne Voice ++61 3 9515 8842 Vladimir Tittl Fax ++61 3 9705 2212 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) He he he... (again) Date: 06 Apr 1998 23:23:28 +0000 Possible names for the forthcoming KW tour : - the Overdue Pionneers Tour - the Great D=FCsseldorf Swindle Tour - The 28th Anniversary of the Creation of Techno Tour - the Obsolete Quartet Tour - the Unplugged Robots Tour jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Merchandise Ideas Date: 06 Apr 1998 21:50:56 +0100 did anyone remember to include manmachine rolling mats, pipes, and giant size Rizlas? they'd be a favourite round our place. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Tittl Subject: (kw) kraftwerk.com update Date: 07 Apr 1998 09:57:35 -0900 > It says "TERMINE 1998"... Is it the name of the tour? 8-) come on people, it's just german for "DATES 1998" ...Vladi -- Earth Email: untold@mindless.com Australia http://www.alphalink.com.au/~untold Melbourne Voice ++61 3 9515 8842 Vladimir Tittl Fax ++61 3 9705 2212 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Merchandise Ideas Date: 06 Apr 1998 21:50:56 +0100 did anyone remember to include manmachine rolling mats, pipes, and giant size Rizlas? they'd be a favourite round our place. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) about those two questions (NOT off-topic!) Date: 06 Apr 1998 23:14:16 +0000 Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR wrote: > > WE CHOOSED TO FOLLOW AND ENJOY > A GROUP (KRAFTWERK) THAT SIMPLY DOES NOT CARE FOR THEIR > AUDIENCES AND THAT CHOOSED TO NOT RELEASE LIVE RECORDS... I thought The MIX was a "live mix" album... he he he... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Frantz Subject: (kw) Another tour name suggestion Date: 07 Apr 1998 05:21:04 -0400 A while back someone suggested "The ReTour." I would take that idea one step further: ReMix / ReTour / ReTire -Mike F. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob V.M." Subject: Re: (kw) He he he... (again) Date: 06 Apr 1998 23:40:33 -0500 jbv wrote: > Possible names for the forthcoming KW tour : > > - the Overdue Pionneers Tour > > - the Great D=FCsseldorf Swindle Tour > > - The 28th Anniversary of the Creation of Techno Tour > > - the Obsolete Quartet Tour > > - the Unplugged Robots Tour - the pre-geriatric CADBOT Tour - the Tour de Rest Home wheelchair cycling Tour - the Hall of Nursing Home Bathroom Mirrors Tour # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: (kw) Boing, Bumm, Tjack Date: 07 Apr 1998 14:23:21 +0200 Tjack is a quite old slangword, and is not only used for drugs, but also as a say for having made a good buy; "Det d=3DE4r var ett schysst tjack..." another ordinary use is as a word for girlfriend... "Har du sett mitt nya tjack?" =20 End of swedish lesson from the swedish chef... (http://www.acc.umu.se/~parawall/other.html) =20 Bork bork... =20 "Jag =E4r bra p=E5 tennis och mitt f=F6rnamn det =E4r Bj=F6rn, Bj=F6rn-motherfucker-Bj=F6rn" /anders # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sean and Karen Subject: (kw) Win 95 vocoder Date: 07 Apr 1998 23:28:25 -0400 Hi fellow Kraftwerkers.. I am looking for an easy to use (windows compatable) voice simulator, that actually sounds BAD.. for a few songs we are putting together. I have a few voice sims. but (damn modern technology :) ) they sound too good.. I want one that actually converts text to speech (preferable in *.wav format) but can be modified to sound robotic.. Non-human.. Anyleads>? thanx sean (still hoping Kraftwerk add a Canadian date ) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EJRSemiGod Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk.com update Date: 06 Apr 1998 23:00:57 EDT In a message dated 98-04-06 19:27:05 EDT, hiroshi@pobox.com writes: << It says "TERMINE 1998"... Is it the name of the tour? 8-) >> Knowing VERRRY little german, I remember it meaning "Date" or "Dates".. EJRSemiDuck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) NME on Kraftwerk Date: 07 Apr 1998 19:02:56 +0200 (DFT) Found at http://www.nme.co.uk/newsdesk/19980307163135news.html: KRAFTWERK'S THAMESIDE FESTIVAL KRAFTWERK are confirmed to play two shows at the London Royal Festival Hall on October 4 and 5. The gigs look likely to be their only appearances in the UK this year and sources close to the band have told NME they will be playing two sets featuring music recorded before 1974's 'Autobahn' album. It would be the only time they've played pre-'Autobahn' material live in this country. Each set will be three to four hours long. Kraftwerk recorded three albums before 'Autobahn'. They were 'Kraftwerk' (or 'Highrail'), 'Kraftwerk 2' and 'Ralf And Florian' and were radically different from the structured formalism and electronic beats the band have become widely known for. Kraftwerk's performance is part of a celebration of electronic music on the South Bank being organised under the working title of 'Machines'. Cabaret Voltaire and BEF are among electronica forerunners expected to appear. Meanwhile, confusion still surrounds the release of any new Kraftwerk music. The band's UK agent says there is no release planned for this year while German sources claim tapes have already been delivered to the band's German label. A German source has told NME that Kraftwerk's Ralf Huetter delivered music to EMI's Duesseldorf office a month ago. "When the MD got back from lunch his secretary told him that a 'really rude cycle courier' had stormed into the office with his bike over one shoulder and slammed a bag of tapes on to her desk. "When the MD looked in the bag he found out that it contained tapes of new Kraftwerk music." Finally, Kraftwerk are the latest name to be added to this year's Tibetan Freedom concert in Washington DC on June 13 and 14. Other acts confirmed for the show include REM, Radiohead, Pearl Jam, Sonic Youth, Wyclef Jean and Beastie Boys. The concert is staged to aid the Milarepa Fund in its efforts to help the Tibetan people who have lived under decades of violent oppression at the hands of the Chinese Government. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "lbo@blunet" Subject: (kw) some listie on ICQ? Date: 07 Apr 1998 20:10:12 +0200 if some listie is interested, my ICQ UIN is 10717450. I am online usually from 12:00 PM to 19:00 PM, GMT+1 time. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) NME on Kraftwerk Date: 07 Apr 1998 19:46:40 +0000 At 7:02 pm +0200 7/4/98, Klaus Zaepke wrote: >Found at http://www.nme.co.uk/newsdesk/19980307163135news.html: > >KRAFTWERK'S THAMESIDE FESTIVAL > >KRAFTWERK are confirmed to play two shows at the London Royal Festival >Hall on October 4 and 5. The RFH shares a badly designed, uninformative website with the South Bank Centre at http://www.sbc.org.uk/, but it's no help. I can't help feeling that the NME item should have been dated 1st April... Didn't the 'Machines' festival which the article refers to already take place? No...? K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) alt.music.kraftwerk Date: 07 Apr 1998 11:53:16 -0700 Hey, guess what news group just appeared on my server? :] -(Supernews, I think)- Unfortunately, I can't POST to it for some unknown reason. :[ *ARGH* alt.music.kraftwerk ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dj lava lamp Subject: Re: (kw) Win 95 vocoder Date: 07 Apr 1998 16:55:51 -0400 At 11:28 PM 07/04/98 -0400, Sean and Karen wrote: > >Hi fellow Kraftwerkers.. > >I am looking for an easy to use (windows compatable) voice simulator, that >actually sounds BAD.. for a few songs we are putting together. I have a few >voice sims. but (damn modern technology :) ) they sound too good.. I want >one that actually converts text to speech (preferable in *.wav format) but >can be modified to sound robotic.. Non-human.. > >Anyleads>? > >thanx >sean (still hoping Kraftwerk add a Canadian date ) try it's a pretty cool text to speech demo in wav and au/aiff formats... otherwise try the cyclonix vocoder... when i need vocoder type sppech for my band , i use a voice changer i bought at a dollar store for 9.99...i record thru a mic , and then pitch shift or time compress it to fit the song... d. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Iron Man78 Subject: Re: (kw) Gossip Date: 07 Apr 1998 23:44:57 EDT richard (richard.poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk) wrote a couple of weeks ago: >ps This is the year of the Germans No only are KW dusting down their walking sticks and going on tour, but Germany'll win the World Cup (it's a big football tournament for you American chaps!), and Jan Ullrich will also retain the Yellow Jersey in La Tour< to richard, after a long hard day studying and then working, i commend you for giving me such a hearty laughter by stating so boldly that germany would win the world cup. it was very cute yet a little misguided...germany isn't what it used to be and countries like brazil, england, italy, and argentina can and will make short work of your team. get some new (and younger) players! Surya p.s. although we may differ in soccer tastes (i'm from argentina) i still love you for being a Kraftwerk fan like me. :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Pearson" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk's Thameside Festival Date: 08 Apr 1998 08:38:18 GMT Hello all, Sorry if this has already been posted - I'm a digest-ee. Steve From http://www.nme.com/newsdesk/19980307163135news.html KRAFTWERK'S THAMESIDE FESTIVAL KRAFTWERK are confirmed to play two shows at the London Royal Festival Hall on October 4 and 5. The gigs look likely to be their only appearances in the UK this year and sources close to the band have told NME they will be playing two sets featuring music recorded before 1974's 'Autobahn' album. It would be the only time they've played pre-'Autobahn' material live in this country. Each set will be three to four hours long. Kraftwerk recorded three albums before 'Autobahn'. They were 'Kraftwerk' (or 'Highrail'), 'Kraftwerk 2' and 'Ralf And Florian' and were radically different from the structured formalism and electronic beats the band have become widely known for. Kraftwerk's performance is part of a celebration of electronic music on the South Bank being organised under the working title of 'Machines'. Cabaret Voltaire and BEF are among electronica forerunners expected to appear. Meanwhile, confusion still surrounds the release of any new Kraftwerk music. The band's UK agent says there is no release planned for this year while German sources claim tapes have already been delivered to the band's German label. A German source has told NME that Kraftwerk's Ralf Huetter delivered music to EMI's Duesseldorf office a month ago. "When the MD got back from lunch his secretary told him that a 'really rude cycle courier' had stormed into the office with his bike over one shoulder and slammed a bag of tapes on to her desk. "When the MD looked in the bag he found out that it contained tapes of new Kraftwerk music." Finally, Kraftwerk are the latest name to be added to this year's Tibetan Freedom concert in Washington DC on June 13 and 14. Other acts confirmed for the show include REM, Radiohead, Pearl Jam, Sonic Youth, Wyclef Jean and Beastie Boys. The concert is staged to aid the Milarepa Fund in its efforts to help the Tibetan people who have lived under decades of violent oppression at the hands of the Chinese Government. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Gossip Date: 08 Apr 1998 09:45:23 +0100 Iron Man78 wrote: > > to richard, > after a long hard day studying and then working, i commend you for giving me > such a hearty laughter by stating so boldly that germany would win the world > cup. it was very cute yet a little misguided...germany isn't what it used to > be and countries like brazil, england, italy, and argentina can and will make > short work of your team. get some new (and younger) players! > hehehe. Dear Mr. Ferrous Metal, Methinks Richie P shoulda marked his post [uk] cos he is, in fact, a fully paid up member of the UK populous.......to which is normally attributed traits such as excessive wit and irony...... -- ciao, Jules Seifert #Kraftwerk IRC channel http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ#: 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk's Thameside Festival Date: 08 Apr 1998 09:50:34 +0100 >From the NME:- > KRAFTWERK'S THAMESIDE FESTIVAL > > The gigs look likely to be their only appearances in the UK this year > and sources close to the band have told NME they will be playing two > sets featuring music recorded before 1974's 'Autobahn' album. It > would be the only time they've played pre-'Autobahn' material live in > this country. Each set will be three to four hours long. > well, this looks mighty interesting, pre-autobahn material being brought outta the dust-cupboard after all these years. Not much on the South Bank website yet, but lets hope it's true....... -- ciao, Jules Seifert #Kraftwerk IRC channel http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ#: 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk's Thameside Festival Date: 08 Apr 1998 10:45:11 +0100 >well, this looks mighty interesting, pre-autobahn material being brought >outta the dust-cupboard after all these years. Not much on the South >Bank website yet, but lets hope it's true....... Hey Jules, Does this mean we shall finally get the chance to meet up? I am sure that Rich will want to come! Rich, how the John Foxx gig looking? Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER STUDENT" Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #87 Date: 08 Apr 1998 11:14:31 +0000 Hi to all on the list, My Kraftwerk Discography on Klaus Zaepke's page http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/3713/discogra.html Is now updated to include cover pictures (clickable label names). I have also managed to reduce the size of the files for easier viewing. Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Poolton Subject: (kw) Hehehehehehe! Date: 08 Apr 1998 14:29:29 +0100 A German source has told NME that Kraftwerk's Ralf Huetter delivered music to EMI's Duesseldorf office a month ago. "When the MD got back from lunch his secretary told him that a 'really rude cycle courier' had stormed into the office with his bike over one shoulder and slammed a bag of tapes on to her desk. "When the MD looked in the bag he found out that it contained tapes of new Kraftwerk music." >>Top story!! Even made me laugh out loud, just like Alice Beer's leathers! Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Tibet Concert Date: 08 Apr 1998 16:02:19 +0200 (DFT) Found at alt.music.synthpop: Pearl Jam, R.E.M., Beck Head Lineup At Tibet Concert LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - While Lollapalooza organizers struggle to sign any acts to this year's traveling roadshow, the charity behind the third annual Tibetan Freedom Concert has had no trouble landing stars for its Washington D.C. festival. Pearl Jam and R.E.M. will play the festival for the first time, while Beck, Sonic Youth, the Beastie Boys, A Tribe Called Quest and Radiohead will be among the returning acts. The event will be held on the weekend of June 13-14 at RFK Stadium, having taken place in New York last year and San Francisco the year before. It is organized by the Milarepa Fund, a nonprofit organization that is campaigning for Tibet's independence from China. The San Francisco-based group was co-founded by Beastie Boy Adam Yauch, and has raised more than $1.25 million from the 150,000 people who attended the first two concerts. Other newcomers to the lineup include Tracy Chapman, Sean Lennon, Blues Traveler, Wyclef Jean of the Fugees and German techno pioneers KRAFTWERK. Members of Pearl Jam and R.E.M. have performed as individuals at previous freedom concerts, but this year's marks the first time their bands will perform. Ticket details will be released at a later date. In the meantime, the Milarepa Fund (www.milarepa.org) plans to set up a concert website with more information in mid-April. Reuters/Variety 02:12 04-02-98 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) "Stereomatic" promo CD Date: 08 Apr 1998 16:11:26 +0200 (DFT) From the Esprit Mailorder catalogue: > YAMO Stereomatic (Radio Edit Dutch promo CD, custom p/s P519.806) > UK 19.99 / $ 32.00 Does anyone know the exact tracklisting for this promo CD? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tobias Thelen Subject: (kw) Frequently wanted answers/questions Date: 08 Apr 1998 02:29:24 +0200 Hi out there! I was wondering several times, what if.. I was meeting one of the guys and I had time to ask one question. What (besides "When will the next ... come out?") would be an appropriate and interesting question to ask? I'd like to collect your ideas, to make an FWAL (Frequently wanted answers list) out of it, or at least to collect the questions. Please send any suggestions to me privately, if anything interesting comes out of this, I'll post it to the list. Thanks, and go on to "Programmier die Zukunft" Tschuess, Tobias -- % --------------------------------------------------------------- Tobias Thelen e-mail: tthelen@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de WWW: http://www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~nntthele # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Frequently wanted answers/questions Date: 08 Apr 1998 16:54:53 +0100 >I was wondering several times, what if.. I was meeting one of the guys >and I had time to ask one question. What (besides "When will the next >... come out?") would be an appropriate and interesting question to ask? >I'd like to collect your ideas, to make an FWAL (Frequently wanted >answers list) out of it, or at least to collect the questions. Please >send any suggestions to me privately, if anything interesting comes out >of this, I'll post it to the list. When are they going to retire and sell me the Kling Klang studio? Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skittles@flink.com Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Mp3 sites Date: 08 Apr 1998 09:28:38 CST Hey Everyone, This is my first post, so I'll tell you all a little about myself. I live in Illinois (U.S.A.) and have been listening to Kraftwerk for about a year now. My question: does anybody know of any websites that have Kraftwerk Mp3's on them? I'm trying to avoid Real Audio, as I keep having problems downloading the player. Thanks much! Sarah # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) kraftwerk.com update Date: 08 Apr 1998 17:19:07 +0200 (DFT) Yet another minimal change @ kraftwerk.com: menue.html is now directly pointing to konzert2.html instead of konzert.html. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Electric Music: "Call On Me" Date: 08 Apr 1998 18:37:07 +0200 (DFT) The new Electric Music single is out: Electric Music: "Call On Me" Cat.-No.: SPV CDS 055-61923 Tracklisting: 1. Call On Me (Single Mix) 3:35" 2. Call On Me (Acoustic Mix) 3:32" 3. Only A Dream 5:32" Credits: Produced by Karl Bartos Co-produced by Markus Loehr Mixed by Guido Apke and Mathias Black at Skyline Studio Duesseldorf Cover by Ruediger Nehmzow Written by Karl Bartos Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Godfrey Subject: (kw) Royal Festival Hall cancelled? Date: 08 Apr 1998 19:12:22 +0100 I've just spoken to a someone at the Royal Festival Hall, who told me that the Kraftwerk dates at the RFH (in October) have now been cancelled. He didn't know whether the band themselves had cancelled, or the promoter had cancelled the whole event. I had phoned earlier in the day to find out when they were likely to go on sale, and was told it "should be sometime this week", so there definitely was _something_ planned at some stage... I hope I didn't just end up speaking to someone who was p'd off about being called all day long (because of the NME news story), who was changing his answer every 5 mins to make life more interesting, so I suggest that if you ARE planning to get tickets for the RFH, PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS MESSAGE AS GOSPEL - you should get confirmation YOURSELF as to whether or not the event will go ahead! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Geoff Watson Subject: Re: (kw) What a Sad git...... Date: 08 Apr 1998 20:20:01 +0100 I must be an even sadder git as I seem to be the only one who spotted Neon Lights as the close out music for a BBC 2 documentry about 3 weeks ago on working mothers - can't remember the name of the show though (now that would be sad.... ) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) WARNING: OFF-TOPIC MESSAGE! Date: 09 Apr 1998 00:50:34 EDT On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 21:43:52 +0100 "Jon Alsbury" writes: >sounds great! i love Silver Apples. let us know how the concert goes. I just got back from the concert...wanted to write this while it was still fresh in my memory. After being at the concert, I am happy to report that the magic is still there! If you've been able to check out the website (www.silverapples.com), Simeon looks just like the pictures, rose glasses and all. Starting the show with You And I, they did a great show, and it was hard to believe that this "junk" (Simeon's words) was capable of making the music it was. They played for about 45 minutes, and as far as I'm concerned, it was money well spent. They were the warmup band for a group called Chrome, and after hearing their sound check, I saw that they were another head-banging heavy metal group and I had no real interest in staying for their concert. We were let in while Chrome was doing their sound check...I noticed someone who looked like Simeon standing there. I politely asked if he was Simeon, and he said he was. I shook his hand and showered him with compliments on his music. Let me tell you, Simeon is a very personable guy, and was more than happy to autograph my album (CD actually). We talked a little about the Simeon, and I said it must have been very busy to play that thing. He said it was so big, it was difficult just to reach all the controls. I asked him if he would mind if I looked at his new Simeon...and he invited me up on stage. (mind you, this was before the concert) In addition to the new redesigned Simeon (much smaller than the original), he's got two synths (no, I don't know what kind). Basically he plays the keyboards with his right hand, and the Simeon with his left and foot for the wa-wa pedal. The concert itself was all I expected and more, I just wish it would have been longer. They did...I think about 12 songs, including a new version of Misty Mountain with two new verses, as well as a cover of a Fats Domino song. The concert was excellent, and I do hope they play in this area again. So, I had a very enjoyable night, and being able to get a paid night off to see it was a nice bonus, not to mention that I now own an autographed album. Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 np: Silver Apples - Whirly-Bird _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: (kw) collector's update Date: 09 Apr 1998 08:19:05 -0700 hi, new coverversion of 'the model': sopor aeternus - voyager, cd, ge, 98, efa (number unknown), text in latin! (not heard yet) (old) compilation appearences: computerwelt (special mix 5:05) on emi single news 1/82, lp, emi p 518 201, promo the model (3:39) on emi single news 2/82, lp, emi p 518 202, promo regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christoph Marquardt" Subject: (kw) San Francisco / Warfield Theatre - need guidance Date: 09 Apr 1998 09:25:58 +0200 Hello there, I'm German and I will be around San Francisco when Kraftwerk plays in the Warfield Theatre in June. Does anybody have answers to the following questions? 1. how/where can I get a ticket for this event? 2. any recommendations for a cheap place to stay for 1-2 nights in San Francisco? (e.g. June/6-8) (I wouldn't even mind paying a few bucks for a private accomodation) 3. are there any directions available how to get to the Warfield? Any help appreciated! Thanks in advance, please answer per email if possible (chrism@bbn.hp.com) Christoph # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Talley Subject: Re: (kw) San Francisco / Warfield Theatre - need guidance Date: 09 Apr 1998 01:54:18 -0700 I'm also going to the San Fran show and would deeply appriciate any local advise for playtime... The more interesting, the better! Perhaps a group of us could stalk the city for fun and profit? I'd also breathe much easier knowing that there are more of us out there. Also, who is a musician and going? Let's meet for mocha and hummus somewhere. L8r... Bill Christoph Marquardt wrote: > > Hello there, > > I'm German and I will be around San Francisco when Kraftwerk plays in the > Warfield Theatre in June. > > Does anybody have answers to the following questions? > > 1. how/where can I get a ticket for this event? > > 2. any recommendations for a cheap place to stay > for 1-2 nights in San Francisco? (e.g. June/6-8) > (I wouldn't even mind paying a few bucks for a > private accomodation) > > 3. are there any directions available how to get > to the Warfield? > > Any help appreciated! > > Thanks in advance, please answer per email if possible (chrism@bbn.hp.com) > > Christoph __________ _______________________________________ | o%o [_]| /The Sci-Fi Disco Fembots From Hell(tm)/\ |__________| / http://www.geocities.com/paris/6937 / / /ooo/ /ooo/\ /______________________________________/ / /___/////// /~\_________Analog is my bitch.__________\/ \_________\/ "It's klinkity-klankity disco goodness!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tonino.giuntia@cfwb.be (GIUNTIA Tonino) Subject: (kw) new Kraftwerk song Date: 09 Apr 1998 15:55:40 +0200 Hi, I've got an audio recording of the Tribal Gathering festival in Luton (U.K.) where Kraftwerk performed one new song last may'97. This new song is pretty good, dealing with classical Kraftwerk tunes with sounds from the 90's. I look forward to hear a complete new Kraftwerk album!! I guess they'll play that song during their upcoming tour! If anyone is interested, I can send the complete track listing of the Luton's show. Cheers! Stéphane # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Poolton Subject: (kw) New Kraftwerk song Date: 09 Apr 1998 16:29:20 +0100 >> Bad news Stephane, you better sit down. Jack Kennedy's been assassinat= ed and the Mussies have deposed the Shah of Iran. Hey, between you an' me= that Thatcher woman will never get elected! Rich :-)) Hi, I've got an audio recording of the Tribal Gathering festival in Luton (U.K.) where Kraftwerk performed one new song last may'97. This new song is pretty good, dealing with classical Kraftwerk tunes with sounds from the 90's. I look forward to hear a complete new Kraftwerk album!! I guess they'll play that song during their upcoming tour! If anyone is interested, I can send the complete track listing of the Luton's show. Cheers! St=E9phane # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) WARNING: OFF-TOPIC MESSAGE! Date: 09 Apr 1998 17:01:44 +0000 At 12:50 am -0400 9/4/98, Bill Dobiesz wrote: >After being at the concert, I am happy to report that the magic is still >there! I've yet to hear the original magic! Maybe I'll get to hear Silver Apples one day. Like KW, they are a much revered band, but who has heard them?! >They were the warmup band for a >group called Chrome, and after hearing their sound check, I saw that they >were another head-banging heavy metal group and I had no real interest in >staying for their concert. The original Chrome was grindy but experimental, part of the San Francisco underground and ceetainly not a HM band. I believe the current line-up only has one of the original members? K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lisa Linn Subject: RE: (kw) WARNING: OFF-TOPIC MESSAGE! (silver apples) Date: 09 Apr 1998 12:33:55 -0400 > I've yet to hear the original magic! Maybe I'll get to hear Silver Apples > one day. Like KW, they are a much revered band, but who has heard them?! > actually, you just missed a tour from the newly reformed silver apples. i saw simeon (playing The Simeon) at the tora tora tora noise festival in atlanta a couple of years ago. this was just after the cd reissue of the SA records, and someone found him working in a Pepsi plant or something. he was backed by another band playing at the fest; that was just a one-time arrangement. He's now gotten together a regular band, they've put out at least one new 7", and some kind of cd release which may just be another reissue of the two original LP's. They also have a (really sucky) web site. I skipped seeing SA v2 when they came to my area because i could tell from the show in atlanta that it would be kinda boring. HOWEVER. I do know someone who saw the original silver apples back in i guess 1969. the story he tells me is something like... simeon using all four limbs to manipulate some incredible oscillator/keyboard type contraption (some version of The Simeon i guess), televisions showing the moon landing, and all kinds of collage/sampling type stuff that is commonplace now but which was unheard of then. This was in Central Park. They were touted as the next beatles at the time. Of course, that didn't really work out ;) though it may sound like i am dissing on them here, the reissue of the two old SA records was my favorite cd of 1996 or whenever it came out... i played it until the laser wore out on my cd player and my ears fell off. i played it so much that i really can't listen to it any more. -lisa linn http://www.wxdu.duke.edu/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) CDshop Date: 09 Apr 1998 19:39:17 +0200 (DFT) There's a new retrospective Kraftwerk article (German language) at http://www.cdshop.de/stories/elektro_kap5.html Not essential. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Operator Subject: Re: (kw) Gossip Date: 09 Apr 1998 00:50:05 -0500 Iron Man78 wrote: > richard (richard.poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk) wrote a couple of weeks ago: > > >This is the year of the Germans > No only are KW dusting down their walking sticks and going on tour, but > Germany'll win the World Cup (it's a big football tournament for you > American chaps!), and Jan Ullrich will also retain the Yellow Jersey in > La Tour< > Add the new Volkswagen Beetle to list. What German bikes or bike parts are there? - Continental top touring tires (great) - (too bad there is not a German company equivalent to Shimano or Campagnola that puts out parts for the whole drivetrain.) - Rolf 14 speed internal hub # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: OVERBURYGW Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk at The Royal Festival Hall Date: 09 Apr 1998 08:40:10 EDT Everyone at the RFH says Kraftwerk are definately not and never have been booked to appear in October or any other time. Got any clues NME or did you pick up the story on April 1st ?. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: (kw) Roedelius Date: 09 Apr 1998 18:42:21 +0100 Issue 69 (May '98) of Future Music magazine features a three page profile of pioneering Kraut-rocker Roedelius. The free CD also contains a track entiled 'More Of It' from his latest album 'Aquarello'. The same issue also has a small item on Kraftwerk in an article about creating analogue drum sounds (in summary "they built their own drum machines blah blah blah unique band, unique sounds blah blah blah"). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) "You make the sun shine" Date: 09 Apr 1998 20:11:50 +0200 (DFT) An MP3 sound file with the title track from the new Mobile Homes single "You make the sun shine", which was written by Karl Bartos, can be downloaded from http://hem.passagen.se/nik95maj/mobile/sounds.htm Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Walton" Subject: (kw) New Elektric Music - umm attempt! Date: 09 Apr 1998 20:37:52 +0100 Hi all I've just had the pleasure of downloading the new track by Elektric Music, entitled 'Young Urban Professional'. Oh dear ! I know he used to be in Kraftwerk, but I'm afraid I cannot excuse this puerile attempt at music. I think it should be called 'Young Urban Shite! and I challenge anyone to disagree as it really is that bad. Don't get me wrong I did love Esperanto, but this does not compare in the slightest. Phil. (Extremely disappointed!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MC3P0 Subject: Re: (kw) New Elektric Music - umm attempt! Date: 09 Apr 1998 15:53:19 -0700 Phil Walton wrote: > > Hi all > > I've just had the pleasure of downloading the new track by Elektric Music, > entitled 'Young Urban Professional'. Where is the address for downloading it? I would also like to hear the other single as well. Is there an EM homepage? Thanks! Bill -- __________ _______________________________________ | o%o [_]| /The Sci-Fi Disco Fembots From Hell(tm)/\ |__________| / http://www.geocities.com/paris/6937 / / /ooo/ /ooo/\ /______________________________________/ / /___/////// /~\_________Analog is my bitch.__________\/ \_________\/ "It's klinkity-klankity disco goodness!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) WARNING: OFF-TOPIC MESSAGE! Date: 09 Apr 1998 20:29:09 +0500 On 09-Apr-98, Kevin Busby wrote: >The original Chrome was grindy but experimental, part of the San Francisco >underground and ceetainly not a HM band. I believe the current line-up only >has one of the original members? One of the co-founders, Damon Edge, died several years ago. The other one, Helios Creed, has done projects under his own name, and I guess he's revived Chrome now as well... I used to be a big fan of their 'middle-period' stuff (especially 'Read Only Memory' and 'Blood On the Moon')-- if some angry replicants had formed a band, that's what it would have sounded like! >;-] (angry replicant smiley) -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Pitt Subject: RE: (kw) Royal Festival Hall cancelled? Date: 10 Apr 1998 07:28:00 +0100 I was told to try calling Wembley. The Arena I assumed, not the Stadium. :) I havn't tried as yet until I hear sometime more positive Mike. ---------- >From: Simon Godfrey >I've just spoken to a someone at the Royal Festival Hall, who told me that >the Kraftwerk dates at the RFH (in October) have now been cancelled. He >didn't know whether the band themselves had cancelled, or the promoter had >cancelled the whole event. I had phoned earlier in the day to find out when >.they were likely to go on sale, and was told it "should be sometime this >.week", so there definitely was _something_ planned at some stage... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) (Fwd) KRAFTWERK LIVE IN LONDON Date: 10 Apr 1998 11:05:41 +0000 Found at alt.music.synthpop: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Anyone reading/hearing reports that Kraftwerk are confirmed to play live at the Royal Festival Hall in London on 4/5 October won't be surprised to learn that this is NOT TRUE! According to the venue, they were NEVER confirmed to play there. Furthermore, neither does the venue know anything about a festival of electronic music called 'Machines', supposedly to feature BEF, Kraftwerk & Cabaret Voltaire. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Kinetik Website Date: 10 Apr 1998 11:05:41 +0000 Found at alt.music sylvian: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Please drop by and visit the Kinetik site. You may have heard of them before in their previous guise as 'Elektro-Kinetik', they were quite revered in Kraftwerk circles and actually played at the UK Kraftwerk conventions to great applaud! CD quality realaudio (+exclusive online remix!), band info, CD ordering etc.......... http://www.lifehouse.force9.co.uk/Kinetik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Chat with Karl Bartos Date: 10 Apr 1998 11:05:41 +0000 The protocol of a recent online chat with Karl Bartos and the Mobile Homes (as well as a couple of photos) can be found at http://www2.passagen.se/snack/kandis/arkiv/bartos/bartoschat.htm Some excerpts: vilken aer er droemsynth? karl saeger att han gillar gitarrer to karl: what do you like most: live concerts or studio? live concerts [...] karl: what do you think of sweden and stockholm? it=B4 to cold [...] Hallo Karl, was hast du fur ein auto? volkswagen natuerlich karl and mobile: do you like working together? tell us a bit about how you do it! we just insult eachother constantly karl: if you hadn=B4t been working with music, what would you do? can=B4t imagine When would Mobile Homes new record be released? in the end of april or beggining of may [...] karl: where was your first koncert? to young drunk to remember [...] Karl: What=B4s gonna happen with Electric Musik? next record coming soon karl: is it true that kraftwerk is playing at the roskilde festival in denmark this summer? i don=B4 know [...] karl: Wie alt bist du? it depends in the morning i feel 63 [...] Karl: are your tired of hearing questions about Kraftwerk yes [...] Karl, traeffar du fortfarande Bowie every day [...] Karl - A lot of the sounds on the first Elektric Music records sounded a lot like Kraftwerk, did you record in KlingKlang, or did you bring your own technology? to long ago Karl:Which are your main influences? hasse Karl: Wie findest du das schwedischeBAnd Yvonne i don=B4t know [...] karl: kan du saega nagot pa svenska? kalle blomqvist,smoergas hur kommer det sig att karl aer haer, vad ska ni goera foer bus? we are going to a sauna [...] Are you happy with the new sound? Is Karl a good producer? vi aer mycket noejda och kalle aer en god producent What will the new Elektric Music album sound like? popsongs karl: have you ever been to a real nuclear plant? yes [...] karl: What kind of education or examination do you have? i=B4m still learning [...] Which is your favoutite guitar Karl? rickenbacker [...] aer karl medlem i mobile homes? no [...] Karl - what do you drink? coffe [...] to karl: are you friends with the other Kraftwerk members? i really like people Karl - Do you still get referenced to as a Kraftwerk-member, and how does that make you feel? like a robot mobile homes: har ni traeffat de andra i kraftwerk ocksa? nej Are Karl happy with Rammstein=B4s cover of "Das Model"? no [...] karl: last year at tribal gathering in england you played a new techno-influenced song, is that the way your going with your music today? i wasn=B4t around [...] karl: do tou feel like a legend? no Who came up with the ide och red skirts and black ties? my mother # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) WARNING: OFF-TOPIC MESSAGE! Date: 10 Apr 1998 10:57:26 +0100 Thanks for the report Bill - it sounds like a really good gig! It's great that the Silver Apples have reformed after almost 30 years and started performing and recording again. I was lucky enough to see SA last autumn. They were top of the bill for a 12 hour event held at a place in north London. A couple of weeks before this gig, the singer from 'blur' had been reported in the UK music press as saying Silver Apples were one of his favourite bands, so on the day itself a large number of trendy camden town teenybopers turned up. Poor darlings, they sat though hours and hours of sometimes very strange and experimental music waiting to see this mythical group from the sixties that their hero had stamped his seal of approval on. Bless... Predicabably they left in droves once SA began their electronic onslaught. hehehe! >>sounds great! i love Silver Apples. let us know how the concert goes. > >I just got back from the concert...wanted to write this while it was >still fresh in my memory. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Teenage Party" Date: 10 Apr 1998 13:33:09 +0000 The compilation CD "Teenage Party" (no further details, sorry) lists a certain Michael Rother in the credits. Does anyone know if this is the former Kraftwerk member or a different Michael Rother? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sabine Zillner Subject: (kw) KW Mention on Austrian Teletext Date: 10 Apr 1998 17:20:06 +0200 (MEST) Hi! Kraftwerk is mentioned on todays Austrian-Teletext on Page 107: Top Stars beim Tibet Konzert Nach REM und Pearl Jam ist den Veranstaltern des dritten "Tibet-Freedom-Konzerts" ein weiterer Coup gelungen: Kraftwerk bestaetigen ihre Teilnahme bei diesem 2 Tages Festival. Weiters in Washington D.C am 13. und 14.6. Tracy Chapman, Sean Lennon, Beck, A Trible Called Quest, Wyclev Jean, die Blues Travellers und die Baestie Boys dabei. Greetings from Austria zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Halldin" Subject: (kw) Live CD from Karlsruhe! Date: 10 Apr 1998 09:58:44 PDT I just have to tell you that when I was in Berlin one month ago I bought a Kraftwerk record called "Die Rückkehr der Mensch-Maschine" (The return of the man machine) which contains a live recording from their consert in Karlsruhe on the 18:th of october last year. The sound quality is excellent and it features three new songs + live versions of "Ätherwellen" and "Die Mensch Maschine". The cover says it's a promotional copy, which means that this is not a bootleg. Has anyone else heard about this double cd? If you find it I strongly recommend you to buy it, because it is the best live record with Kraftwerk that I've heard. /Martin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Slightly off topic, but then again maybe not... Date: 10 Apr 1998 22:07:21 +0200 Hi there! Could someone please tell me where to find the 3 Rheingold CD=B4s? I know they have been released on CD, but not where (Germany obviously) = and when. So if someone know where to find them, please let me know. /Uffe -------------------- silverup@algonet.se http://www.algonet.se/~silverup/kraft -------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Live CD from Karlsruhe! Date: 10 Apr 1998 18:59:14 Martin wrote: > The cover says it's a promotional copy, which means that this is not a >bootleg. Has anyone else heard about this double cd? If you find it I >strongly recommend you to buy it, because it is the best live record >with Kraftwerk that I've heard. As far as I know, bearing the "promotional copy" phrase does not necessarily exclude a recording from being part of the bootleg kingdom. I'll point to the Dancing Horse 6-track "Tribal Gathering" bootleg (DH-010) which has printed on the disc itself "Not For Sale, Promotional Copy". Personally, I love the candor which can be found on the back cover of the "Schone Neue Welt / Re-Mix, Re-Model" CD bootleg which proudly boasts "This compilation is NOT authorized by the artists!" =) -- PezScotty nebulous@erols.com #Kraftwerk, IRC's DALnet ICQ#: 10426112 "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin Niedergesaess Subject: (kw) roskilde hotspot Date: 11 Apr 1998 01:19:21 +0200 Hello danish Werkers. The current roskilde hotspot is KRAFTWERK!! http://www.roskilde-festival.dk/1998/musikken/bands1998/kraftwerk.shtml Unfortunatelly it is in danish language. Can somebody maybe translate the text?? Bye Martin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) WARNING: OFF-TOPIC MESSAGE! (silver apples) Date: 10 Apr 1998 08:43:03 EDT On Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:33:55 -0400 Lisa Linn writes: > He's now gotten together a regular band, they've put out at least one >new 7", and some kind of cd release which may just be >another reissue of the two original LP's. The new CD is called Beacon. I haven't found it yet, although Simeon told me where I could find it, I haven't had a chance to go after it yet, I've been quite busy. >They also have a (really sucky) web site. It's a lot better than mine, so I'm not complaining. >I skipped seeing SA v2 when they came to my area because i >could tell from the show in atlanta that it would be kinda boring. What was boring was putting up with the music they were playing for almost two hours before SA took the stage. If I was a headbanger, I probably would have enjoyed the records and the second group. What would be ideal in my mind? When KW comes to Detroit, have SA opening for them. That would be perfect in my book! > HOWEVER. I do know someone who saw the original silver >apples back in i guess 1969. the story he tells me is something like... > simeon using all four limbs to manipulate some incredible >oscillator/keyboard type contraption (some version of The Simeon i >guess), It didn't use any keyboards as such, just telegraph keys. >televisions showing the moon landing, and all kinds of >collage/sampling type stuff that is commonplace now but which was >unheard of then. This was in Central Park. Like almost any group that is radically different (KW is a perfect example, Devo is another), many people can't seem to handle something that is really special, and they never become huge sucesses.... >They were touted as the next beatles at the time. Of course, that >didn't really work out ;) That's a sure way to kill a group - have them called the next Beatles, a name that the public will never allow a group to live up to. >though it may sound like i am dissing on them here, the reissue of >the two old SA records was my favorite cd of 1996 or whenever it came >out... As of New Years day this year, I had not heard of them. In all honesty, if I had heard of them when they came out I would have loved it then. Funny, I was playing with oscillators at the time, impressing my friends and annoying my family. In 1968, I was 8 years old, in 1969, I was 9, etc...too young to go to such concerts, etc...but I was doing electronic repair work at the time (I changed my first picture tube when I was 10). >i played it until the laser wore out on my cd player and my ears fell >off. That sounds like quite a sight... >i played it so much that i really can't listen to it any more. You need to broaden your horizons.... Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 np: Napoleon XIV - I Live In A Split-Level Head _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: (kw) Re: A Burning Question Date: 10 Apr 1998 08:11:44 EDT On Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:30:40 +0300 Christer Nuutinen writes: >Err... I can't help but wonder: WHAT is a Simeon? It's item that was designed and built by Simeon, the only original band member that is still part of the group (well, it was only two people to begin with). It's a home made synth of sorts. It has no keyboard, many people would consider it looks like a collection of junk. What it amounts to is several Audio Frequency Oscillators, creating a sound where the frequencies "slide" from one place to another, as opposed to going in steps like they would with a keyboard. An AF Oscillator is a common piece of electronic test equipment. It was designed to sit on a bench at a repair shop. I was not intended to be used as a musical instrument, and that's what makes it unique. The original unit that was used for the first two albums consisted of 11 Lafayette AF Oscillators, and a World War 2 surplus U.S. military AF Oscillator, made by Hewlett-Packard. In addition, the original Simeon also had an Echo-Plex, two Maestro tone controls, a wah-wah pedal (played by the elbow), and a radio or two thrown in for good measure. The radio has been left out of the new version. The various oscillators were switched in and out with telegraph keys. This contraption was played using the feet, hands and elbows. The current Simeon is much smaller, and he has keyboard synths instead of many of the other oscillators. But it doesn't look any less "junky". The lead oscillator (the one that he appears to be wrestling) has no covers on it, exposing the tubes (valves) as well as the internal components (don't touch!) But, it creates a very unique sound. So, Simeon plays his Simeon, there is a drummer, and that's it. Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 np: Janis Joplin - Try Just A Little Bit Harder _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Servando Subject: (kw) New digest members Date: 11 Apr 1998 13:33:40 +0200 Hi!. My name is BIOVAC and my name is ArcoIris and we´re Spanish fans of Kraftwerk since 1979. ARCOIRIS & I are members of the first Spanish Tecno Band: AVIADOR DRO.Founded in that year also. Pleased to meet you all. Can anyone tell me who are THE SILVER APPLES?. I have never heard anything about this band . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: (kw) Update:pictures Date: 11 Apr 1998 15:16:04 +0200 I added 4 pictures of the October 18th gig in Karslruhe. The film was finally returned from the processing laboratory!!. They can be found on (concertpictures): http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk/kraftwerk.html greetings, Twingo / / http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo ----/---/---- twingo@xs4all.nl / / the Netherlands # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Regor@webtv.net (R. D.) Subject: (kw) Perfect pop song? Date: 11 Apr 1998 10:56:22 -0400 If I'm not mistaken, "KW's goal is to make the perfect pop song for all the tribes of the Global Village". Well, recently I have been playing over and over again the song "It's no good" from the ULTRA cd by "Depeche Mode". That song is a _pretty good pop song_! When you hear it once, you want to hear it over and over again. And the _sound quality_ is very good too. If you haven't heard it yet, I suggest that you give it a try! -- Roger. Regor@webtv.net rd411@yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) roskilde hotspot Date: 12 Apr 1998 00:27:40 +0900 At 11 Apr 1998 01:19:21 +0200, Martin Niedergesaess wrote: >The current roskilde hotspot is KRAFTWERK!! >http://www.roskilde-festival.dk/1998/musikken/bands1998/kraftwerk.shtml > >Unfortunatelly it is in danish language. Hallo, I'm not danish nor I don't understand any danish, but some words looks similar to german or englisch. (such as techno, Beatles, etc...) I guess it's very introductive sentences for tKraftwerk, am I correct? Thanks, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Live CD from Karlsruhe! Date: 11 Apr 1998 14:25:25 +0100 > > The cover says it's a promotional copy, which means that this is not a > >bootleg. c'mon, people, don't be naive... I could press whatever boot I want and print on it's cover whatever I want... even label serial number... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Update:pictures Date: 11 Apr 1998 16:33:12 +0100 hello, Twingo, can you tell me what is/where you found live771.jpg pic? is the one of radioactivity-age more or less. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Rheingold CD's Date: 11 Apr 1998 20:38:32 +0000 > Could someone please tell me where to find the 3 Rheingold CD=B4s? > I know they have been released on CD, Are you sure that all three albums were re-released on CD? I thought that there are only CD's with the first two albums. > but not where (Germany obviously) and when. Rheingold: Same, EMI 1C 538-7 94807 2 (deleted) Rheingold: R., EMI 1C 0777 7 81234 2 2 (possibly deleted) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) UK GIGS Date: 11 Apr 1998 19:54:22 +0100 >Back on topic, I'd be grateful if someone could provide a list of UK dates that Kraftwerk are playing this year. >Heard they're doing 2 gigs at the Royal Albert Hall - this is a top venue. If true, I'd recommend some of you >euros travel across. You'll be in for a treat! you mean the Royal Festival Hall and it's not true anyway. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) UK GIGS Date: 11 Apr 1998 16:10:08 EDT On Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:06:34 -0700 **************** writes: > >Hello all, sorry for my recent absence, I know how disappointed some >of = >you must have been. However, very busy recently earning my fortune, so >I = >can flog the Spider and get a 911. > >Back on topic, I'd be grateful if someone could provide a list of UK = >dates that Kraftwerk are playing this year. Heard they're doing 2 gigs >= >at the Royal Albert Hall - this is a top venue. If true, I'd recommend >= >some of you euros travel across. You'll be in for a treat! > yo...since uve got this "fortune", why dont you make em an offer they cant refuse and have them play in ur bathroom? missed you, tom w np: bahia black - ritual beating system _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Music videos - off topic Date: 12 Apr 1998 11:32:15 +0000 Could anyone advice a good on-line music video mailorder catalog ? Any kind of music, preferably pop/rock, alternative and contemporary. Eventually bootlegs... Thanx jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: Re: (kw) Update:pictures Date: 12 Apr 1998 13:48:26 +0200 Got the picture from JBV (also on the list) He supplied the pics I put them on the Net. >hello, Twingo, can you tell me what is/where you found live771.jpg pic? > >is the one of radioactivity-age more or less. groeten, Twingo / / twingo@xs4all.nl ----/---/---- http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo / / http://twingo.xs4all.nl (if online) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Fonts Date: 12 Apr 1998 14:42:59 +0200 Fot those who are looking for Kraftwerkish fonts: I put some Windows 95 fonts on the web: http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk/fonts groeten, Twingo / / twingo@xs4all.nl ----/---/---- http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo / / http://twingo.xs4all.nl (if online) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Fonts Date: 12 Apr 1998 15:21:07 +0100 >Fot those who are looking for Kraftwerkish fonts: >I put some Windows 95 fonts on the web: > >http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk/fonts thanks Twingo! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Halldin" Subject: RE: (kw) Live CD from Karlsruhe! Date: 12 Apr 1998 05:11:36 PDT Jerry wrote: >Hm... maybe not the ZKM CD... Where can I get this CD? I'm actually not sure how to get it. Im my case it was a coincidence. I found it in a recordstore called 2X2 in Berlin. It was their only ex and it cost 65 DMark. Ok, besserwissers, it might still be a bootleg, even though it's a promotional one :) The cover also says that the manufacturer is called "Maschinen-Music" and that the record is authorized by Kling-Klang. I dunno if this is true though. Btw, the second disc also contains a few bonus tracks, like a breakdance mix of "Tour de France", called "Tour de Breaks" and a song made by Wolfgang Flur called "Robocop II". Does anyone know if this song has got anything to do with the movie, like if it's included in the soundtrack or something? /Martin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jerry Withers Subject: (kw) New Kraftwerk Pic Date: 12 Apr 1998 23:24:56 -0400 I have pic of Florian that I took back in 1981 in Mannheim. If anyone wants it please send me a private mail. I tried posting it to the list, but I couldn't. Jerry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Live CD from Karlsruhe! Date: 13 Apr 1998 12:18:55 +0100 >Btw, the second disc also contains a few bonus tracks, like a breakdance >mix of "Tour de France", called "Tour de Breaks" and a song made by >Wolfgang Flur called "Robocop II". Does anyone know if this song has got >anything to do with the movie, like if it's included in the soundtrack >or something? as Julze would say, please RTFA... :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) New Kraftwerk Pic Date: 13 Apr 1998 12:22:31 +0100 >I have pic of Florian that I took back in 1981 in Mannheim. If anyone wants >it please send me a private mail. I tried posting it to the list, but I >couldn't. it's strictly against list rules to post binaries of any kind. you did read the intro message you got when you subscribed didn't you? :-) why not put the picture on a webpage instead? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: atv@tvdial.com Subject: (kw) Promoting the upcoming tour? Date: 13 Apr 1998 08:07:54 -0500 Greetings, Does anyone know who is promoting the upcoming Kraftwerk world tour? Is it EMI, the band themselves or another company? Does anyone have a contact, I'm looking for some press information for the TV show I produce. Thanks! Philip Satterley *progrock Producer -- PLEASE NOTE: My E-mail address has changed to: atv@tvdial.com PHILIP SATTERLEY- *progrock Producer- The Midwest's ONLY Progressive Rock music video show!!! http://www.tvdial.com./prog.html DON'T TOUCH THAT DIAL- Classic TV on Videocassette!- http://www.tvdial.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jerry Withers Subject: (kw) Florian Pic Date: 13 Apr 1998 15:47:13 -0400 The original scanfile of my pic is 1.2MB. The one I sent out is a scaled version. I will touch up the original and offer that when I have it done. It will be a while because my Amiga is in New York and I am in St. Louis... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) what do you think about komputer ? Date: 13 Apr 1998 23:29:30 +0200 hi, in the recent issue of musikexpress sounds, a german music mag, there is = a=20 promotion cd add-on ;) from mute records, which also contains "looking = down=20 on london" from komputer. i think, it's nice kw-style popmusic. but without the depth of kw=20 concerning structure, idea and purity of sound.... does anyone have more = information about them. website or anything ?! seeya, andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jerry Withers Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Pic Date: 13 Apr 1998 17:35:12 -0400 Anyone posting my pic on their page please let me know and give credit. Thanks # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Fonts Date: 14 Apr 1998 10:24:35 +0200 > Fot those who are looking for Kraftwerkish fonts: > I put some Windows 95 fonts on the web: > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk/fonts Well, that's nice. I just wanted to remind that I already made a similar page available, with preview images: http://www.mygale.org/~timlcf/kw/fonts.html it's a part of my KW web page. There's almost the same fonts, except the Futura and Fujiyama ones which are rather common fonts (like used on TEE design). Regards, Tim. -- Timour JGENTI | Institut Francais du Petrole _______________|___________________________________ _______________| mailto:timour.jgenti@ifp.fr _______________| http://www.mygale.org/~timlcf/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Petersen Jens Bang jbp" Subject: Re: (kw) roskilde hotspot Date: 14 Apr 1998 11:00:41 +0100 hiroshi@pobox.com=20(Hiroshi=20MURATA):=0D >I'm=20not=20danish=20nor=20I=20don't=20understand=20any=20danish,=0D >but=20some=20words=20looks=20similar=20to=20german=20or=20englisch.=0D= >(such=20as=20techno,=20Beatles,=20etc...)=0D >I=20guess=20it's=20very=20introductive=20sentences=20for=20tKraftwerk,= =20=0D >am=20I=20correct?=0D >=0D It's=20a=20very=20basic=20article,=20not=20worth=20the=20effort=20to=20= translate=0D Jens=20from=20Denmark=0D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: AW: (kw) what do you think about komputer ? Date: 14 Apr 1998 10:57:44 +0200 actually i think it does. komputer try to imitate the kw-image and they try to make profit out of = it. more general i would like to know, how you all feel about such clones = ... are they a rip-off ? are they a real band ? regards, andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Hans [SMTP:cats@Eunet.at] Gesendet am: Dienstag, 14. April 1998 10:33 An: Andreas Schepers Betreff: Re: (kw) what do you think about komputer ? I think it doesn't belong at this list !!!!! johann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tonino.giuntia@cfwb.be (GIUNTIA Tonino) Subject: (kw) new Kraftwerk album Date: 14 Apr 1998 11:26:04 +0200 Hi all robots! I heard on the frech TV "MCM" the news that Kraftwerk plan to release a new album on october'98. Wait & see!!! Cheers! Stéphane # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Familiar "News" Date: 14 Apr 1998 12:28:34 +0200 (DFT) German TV channel Viva 2 reported yesterday that "Kraftwerk are currently in the studio to record new material"... Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) what do you think about komputer ? Date: 14 Apr 1998 11:39:42 +0100 >komputer try to imitate the kw-image and they try to make profit out of it. >more general i would like to know, how you all feel about such clones ... > >are they a rip-off ? >are they a real band ? I wouldn't call them a rip off because if you enjoy the classic 'man-machine' era Kraftwerk sound you'll probably really enjoy Komputer because that's exactly what they sound like, so if you're the kind of person who plays man-machine and computerwelt for eight hours every single day and despise anything fresh, new, or inovative, you'll think Komputer are the absolutely shagtastic. However, i can't personally regard them as a 'real' band. They're like a tribute band - and not a very good one at that. I saw them play live a few months ago and i can tell you i thought they were utterly pathetic. They sounded good (apart from the singing, mind you Ralf and Karl were never the world's best vocalist were they), but they have a stage presence of zero, their projections were totally laughable and the lyrical content of their songs is completely moronic! 'Valantina' is harmless enough however 'looking down on london' and 'bill gates' are completely unforgivible! There is not a single original idea in evidence on any of their records. Why don't they just play cover versions of Kraftwerk songs if they love them so much (as they obviously do). Also, why do they name-check just about every synth band you can think of on their sleave notes *except* Kraftwerk? Strange people indeed... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Talley Subject: Re: (kw) what do you think about komputer ? Date: 14 Apr 1998 07:52:43 -0700 > Jon Alsbury wrote: > > >komputer try to imitate the kw-image and they try to make > profit out of it. > >more general i would like to know, how you all feel about > such clones ... > > > >are they a rip-off ? > >are they a real band ? Isn't imitation is the most sincerest form of flattery? I think that out of the billions upon billions of bands out in the Cosmos, that allowing such a "copy-cat" to flourish is acting in the interest of preserving the original idea from which it all sprung-forth. Even if it sounds like re-cooked sound-stuff... Bill __________ _______________________________________ | o%o [_]| /The Sci-Fi Disco Fembots From Hell(tm)/\ |__________| / http://www.geocities.com/paris/6937 / / /ooo/ /ooo/\ /______________________________________/ / /___/////// /~\_________Analog is my bitch.__________\/ \_________\/ "It's klinkity-klankity disco goodness!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn E. Herman" Subject: RE: (kw) what do you think about komputer ? Date: 13 Apr 1998 21:49:12 -0400 > Also, why do they name-check just > about every synth band you can think of on their sleave > notes *except* Kraftwerk? Strange people indeed... Yes. This is the most disturbing element about Komputer to me. When I saw that the official Mute site had a biography of the band that stated something to the effect of "Komputer is boldly following the original luminaries of electronic music like YMO, Telex and Can..." I was disturbed. Komputer are not the first people to credit Kraftwerk's imitators (Can excepted) rather than the true pioneers...but they are a group of people that have re-assembled songs out of Kraftwerk's 8 bar chord progressions and samples. They have no actual sound of their own. I preferred them when they were "...I Start Counting." YMO and Telex were great bands. But, they acknowledged that their existence was impossible without Kraftwerk. I am personally sick and tired of yet another generation of no-talents ignoring the contributions of the most important white band since the Beatles. All that said, I like the Komputer CD. I just wish some of these people would start giving credit where credit is due. To praise Afrika Bambaata (sp?) Kurtis Blow and Madonna for the Urban sound is almost funny...what's next, claiming KMFDM started industrial music, or that Mahler invented Classical? Glenn glennherman@ibm.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lars Nellemann" Subject: (kw) New Electric music CD Date: 14 Apr 1998 22:03:12 +0200 Hi I got the new self titled Electric music CD today (Not elektric music anymore), the tracks are The young urban proffesionals Sunshine Another day Friends Call on me Together we can do it all Out of this world Only a dream Shallow grave Falling Sunshine (reprise) The long way I also got the single: Call on me And I must say - What a disappointment, not a trace of Kraftwerk anymore - more like Guitar pop, not even nice synth riffs or anything. Sorry to say this. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: (kw) new Kraftwerk album Date: 14 Apr 1998 21:06:27 -0700 With the upcoming Kraftwerk tour, there is little doubt that a new album = will soon be forthcoming, probably later this year. But before we get = too excited I'd like to raise a few issues: 1) What if it's crap?=20 Kraftwerk will no longer be legend in their own lifetime. Their air of = mystery will permanently be gone.=20 2) What if no one buys it? Following all the recent publicity and namedropping by many stars, it = will be very embarrassing for Kraftwerk if the new album goes down like = a lead balloon. Look at the Electric Cafe fiasco as an example. Despite = technically being a superb album its sales figures were extremely = disappointing. 3) What if the tour is a shambles? Do Huetter and Schnieder still have the stamina for a grueling world = tour? Without it, the tour is likely to be a disaster and will possibly = be scrapped half way through. This happened during The Mix World Tour. = Sadly, the world tour never went beyond a few low key European dates. As THE most influential band since The Beatles, I hope they don't screw = up big time. At least McCartney and Lennon didn't start producing = bollocks until after The Beatles were finished. mode.123 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) re: (off-topic) silver apples Date: 14 Apr 1998 22:46:44 +0000 > Like almost any group that is radically different (KW is a perfect > example, Devo is another), many people can't seem to handle something > that is really special, and they never become huge sucesses.... I know of another example: Aviador Dro :-) Hola Biovac N y Arcoiris. Bienvenidos a la lista de la Central Electrica! Hello Biovac N and Arcoiris. Welcome to the Kraftwerk list! Now, a plug for the "aviator": >If I'm not mistaken, "KW's goal is to make the perfect pop song for >all the tribes of the Global Village". I found the perfect pop song by 1983: Aviador Dro's "Amor Industrial". Pagina no Oficial del Aviador Dro: Unofficial Aviador Dro Home Page: http://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/aviador.htm aktivitat@arrakis.es # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album Date: 14 Apr 1998 22:26:43 +0100 >1) What if it's crap? >Kraftwerk will no longer be legend in their own lifetime. Their air of >mystery will permanently be gone. I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head there. I believe it's gone already to a large extent. I believe a lot of people who have taken an interest in Kraftwerk comparatively recently will take one listen to the new album and say "yeah, what's the big deal?". you have to admit, as good as they were, they peaked a long long time ago. >2) What if no one buys it? 90% of sales will be to existing fans. record buyers are more conservative and narrow minded today that at any other time I can remember. kids aren't interested in new music these days. just look at the 'alternative' music scene - it's a fucking joke. the only reason The Mix faired reasonably well I believe is because all us silly Kraftwerk fans rushed out and bought it in every available format... >3) What if the tour is a shambles? I'd be surprised if they pull the ripcord halfway across the US - it's not as if they have anything strenuous to do on stage these days anyway (like actually play anything). >As THE most influential band since The Beatles, I hope they don't screw up >big time. At least McCartney and Lennon didn't start producing bollocks >until after The Beatles were finished. they should have split in '86. they'd have been remembered as they were at the pinnacle of their influence and success. perfect. unassailable. who honestly believes this new album will take the game forward and leave the world aghast in the way Trans Europe Express and The Man-Machine did? Let's hope they prove me wrong! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album/KONVOY Koordination Date: 14 Apr 1998 15:32:46 -0700 *************** sez: >With the upcoming Kraftwerk tour, there is little doubt that a new album will soon be forthcoming, probably later this year. But before we get too excited I'd like to raise a few issues:< -(SNIP)- These are all valid questions/fears. I'm not overly impressed with the 3 new tracks I've heard so far, but, I still love KW and I love their KlassiKs. I MUST see them *LIVE* in Konzert. "The Ultimate Pilgrimage". -(As if I had anything else to live for.)- New album in Oktober, eh? Rats. I was hoping to aquire an autographed copy in June. It would be nice if it would coincide with the Tour. >3) What if the tour is a shambles? Do Huetter and Schnieder still have the stamina for a grueling world tour? Without it, the tour is likely to be a disaster and will possibly be scrapped half way through.< CANCELLED??*ARGH*!! Nein, nein! Das kann nicht sein! This cannot be! I'm already over the edge, hanging by a very brittle fingernail. I'm struggling hard to come up with bus/plane fare, lodging, tickets, etc- not to mention trying to keep what's left of my sanity. -(WHAT "sanity"?)- If the Tour is cancelled, so help me, God, they'll OWE me BIG time!! 20 years of total love/worship/adoration for naught? I can't bear to think of anything going wrong. So close and yet so far. No smiley faces. No bullshit. It MUST happen. It WILL happen. My life/soul depends on it. Achtung! KRAFTWERK KONVOY KOORDINATION KOMMITTEE: Meanwhile- I'm trying to figure out how I can order S.F. Warfield tickets for a couple of Fans overseas. -(And L.A, too, if needed)- Can any other U.S. Fans assist, just in case my Mom's VISA is maxed-out or if there's too small a limit on number of tickets per order? I don't want anyone to be disappointed! I'm doing my best, but, I'm FLAT BROKE, and the local BASS outlet -(inside Gottschalk's)-doesn't open until 11am Sundays- which is 1 hour AFTER tickets go on sale May 3rd. Oh, and there's NO Ticketmaster outlet in Eureka at all. Can any L.Aliens help me? I only need 1 Palladium ticket for myself, but, there might be some overseas Fans who are flying into L.A. instead of S.F. Hm-m-m, I think Craig Land said he's going to L.A. -Anyone else? Some people aren't on the KONVOY List yet. http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/konvoy98/ Also, are there any Fans in each Tour city who can find local Hotel info for incoming travelers? It would be nice to get a few adjoining rooms to share near each venue. 2-4 persons per room. whatever. I'm trying to end on an optimistic note here. PLEASE, let's help each other out. ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album Date: 14 Apr 1998 18:51:47 +0500 On 15-Apr-98, Jon Alsbury wrote: >>3) What if the tour is a shambles? >I'd be surprised if they pull the ripcord halfway across the US - it's not >as if they have anything strenuous to do on stage these days anyway (like >actually play anything). That reminds me of a previous thread about the Playstation game "Fade To Black" (in which Florian's voice may have appeared). One of 'Florian''s characters, the Professor, makes things tough for the hero by lagging behind and saying "Wait! Slow down, I'm an old man!" Hope that's not prophetic... ;-) BTW, I have the NTSC version, which apparently doesn't have the German voices. It gives you a choice of French and English, but the other languages only appear in subtitles... -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christoph Marquardt" Subject: (kw) San Francisco Warfield Theatre info Date: 15 Apr 1998 01:20:46 +0200 Hi Werkers, for those of you who want to see the San Francisco Concert, check out this: http://fl.mud.de/cm/kwsf/ Christoph (aka "ze German" aka "nubui") # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Regor@webtv.net (R. D.) Subject: Re: (kw) San Francisco Warfield Theatre info Date: 14 Apr 1998 20:51:53 -0400 I just wish somebody would do something like that for the NEW-YORK venue! PLease... :-] -- Roger. Regor@webtv.net rd411@yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Al Barrios Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album Date: 14 Apr 1998 20:03:24 -0500 Heather wrote.... Greetings everyone! Jon Alsbury wrote: 90% of sales will be to existing fans. record buyers are more conservative > > and narrow minded today that at any other time I can remember. kids aren't > > interested in new music these days. just look at the 'alternative' music > > scene - it's a fucking joke. > > I totally agree, but I think there is always hope, since one could compare the currant stagnancy in music to other periods, and hopefully like those other periods, a new and unique music form will emerge. sorry its my idealistic side showing. the only reason The Mix faired reasonably well I > > believe is because all us silly Kraftwerk fans rushed out and bought it in > > every available format... > > > > hehe. Well it seems like some of the newer fans got into kw due to hearing the mix, though imho the mix, though really good, is not quite up on the other albums levels, which means instead of being almost mindblowing it's just really really good :-) they should have split in '86. > > au contraire mon frere, I really love kw and would be hugely interested in what they have to say artistically now, even if its totally different from the earlier werks, I think electric cafe gets too much flack, i really like it and i think it is ten times better than 95% of the other non-kw albums i've heard... Oh in response to whether they could physically handle the tour, if ralf and florian{though according to bussy's book, ralf is more the cyclist :-} are still cycling the way they were then i don't think it will be a problem.. Oh well, all this is imho of course, so good day to all Yours truly, heather "sorry if this is in the archives" d. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) San Francisco Warfield Theatre info Date: 15 Apr 1998 08:36:11 +0000 R. D. wrote: > > I just wish somebody would do something like that for the NEW-YORK > venue! > > PLease... :-] > BTW, a lot of info is available through local YAHOO sites (at least for SF & LA). Type "Warfield" or "Palladium" in the Yellow Pages search box of each local Yahoo front page. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: AW: (kw) new Kraftwerk album Date: 15 Apr 1998 11:03:20 +0200 hi, actually i think, kw's phenomenal appearance at tribal gathering in 97 = and=20 those 2 gigs later that year (that were supportet by laurent garnier and = daft punk) show that kw finally got aware of their role as "godfathers" = of=20 todays dance-music-scene. (techno, idm, whatever) back in the 70s-80s they were much more a krautrockband with a strong=20 intellectual impact. today, people that never ever heard much about kw before, freak out when = they hear them play live. they know all the detroit djs and their pure=20 minimalistic sound-style, but they didn't know about kw. there is even a = hugh comeback of oldschool-electro in europe's clubs. for me it's great to see, that kw now are back into the scene. hopeflluy = there will be a remix-album.... let's wait and hope :) regards, andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Hotstuff Date: 15 Apr 1998 11:47:51 +0100 Hi there Chaps, I have just received today the latest catalogue from the Internet Sales and Mail Order company, Hotstuff. There are lots of Kraftwerk goodies in here, covering releases on both vinyl and CD. I have ordered a promo only 12 inch which seems like an EP of some sort. Nothing new, just tracks like Tour De France, Model.........It is advertised as an 'Instore Promo'. May be worth having in my collection. I also notice they have a few other nice items like the UK 7 inch vinyl release of the Robots in gatefold cover. Check out their web site: www.hotstuff.se I also notice that there are a few Electric Music items as well, including the CD singles from the first album and the 12 inch singles. The prices are on average around 5 UK Pounds each for these, this is quite a bit cheaper than some have been asking for the same, second-hand items on this list in the past! Just thought you might like to know. Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) what do you think about komputer ? Date: 15 Apr 1998 10:40:18 +0100 Jon Alsbury wrote: > > so if you're the kind of person who plays man-machine > and computerwelt for eight hours every single day and > despise anything fresh, new, or inovative, you'll think > Komputer are the absolutely shagtastic. > now there's a phrase I haven't heard for a long while. Thanx Jono, I'm gonna use it in conversation until somebody beats me over the head with a mouldy bratwurst. On the 'komputer' front, I tend to agree. Ppl buy this shit just cos it sounds like R&F (without the style) and they weren't any good in their previous incarnation. Tribute bands schmibute bands....... -- ciao, Jules Seifert #Kraftwerk IRC channel http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ#: 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album Date: 15 Apr 1998 10:45:29 +0100 Jon Alsbury wrote: > > 90% of sales will be to existing fans. record buyers are more conservative > and narrow minded today that at any other time I can remember. kids aren't > interested in new music these days. just look at the 'alternative' music > scene - it's a fucking joke. I tend to disagree, IMHO the music scene is now more healthy that it was in the late 80's / early 90's. In those days ppl were put off the alt scene cos indie was just foot staring cure rip-offs, but now indie means a whole lot more. And if you go to festivals, the audience seems to be incredibly young (or is it me gettin' old) No, i think ppl a more open minded now. Look at the 80's, don't you remember how crap they were? > the only reason The Mix faired reasonably well I > believe is because all us silly Kraftwerk fans rushed out and bought it in > every available format... > Yeah, mix, schmix...... -- ciao, Jules Seifert #Kraftwerk IRC channel http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ#: 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album Date: 15 Apr 1998 12:59:54 +0200 >1) What if it's crap? >Kraftwerk will no longer be legend in their own lifetime. Their air of mystery will permanently be gone. > I don't believe that they will release the new material on a new album. Playing new material before it is released (as at TG, Linz and Karlsruhe) is totally against policy, especially in the case of Kraftwerk. Ralf and Florian are very aware of themselves, but I think when it comes to music production and working on new projects, they don't take the whole thing that serious anymore as before. Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: AW: (kw) new Kraftwerk album Date: 15 Apr 1998 13:52:23 +0000 Andreas Schepers wrote: > = > actually i think, kw's phenomenal appearance at tribal gathering in 97 = and > those 2 gigs later that year (that were supportet by laurent garnier an= d > daft punk) show that kw finally got aware of their role as "godfathers"= of > todays dance-music-scene. (techno, idm, whatever) > = > back in the 70s-80s they were much more a krautrockband with a strong > intellectual impact. And here we go again ! Even if it's only a personal opinion, this is = just another example of "flabby" revisionism. Let alone the last two 97 KW gigs (I wasn't at TG) that looked like a bad joke (when compared to gigs from the 80s for instance)... But you should remember that disapointment regarding KW started as early as 74, when they released Autobahn. I guess I said that before : a fair = amount of their early fans (also fans of Can, Faust, Neu!, etc) thought = - back then - that this album was the death of the real krautrock = spirit, that KW were going commercial and would be lost forever. It's a real pity I don't have the time to discuss that topic in an exhaustive way at the moment : to me, KW appear more like the "godfathers" of opportunism than anything else. At each step of their career, (except for TEE, perhaps), they appear like the followers of the current trend that was already initiated and developped by other = bands : - other krautbands such as NEU! for KW 1&2 - T. Riley & S.Reich for R&F - Beach Boys for Autobahn - Beach Boys & electro-acustic music for RA - Moroder for MM - hundreds (if not thousands) of independent productions for CW - etc. etc. And they're so good at that, that for at least 17 years, they manage to lure successive generations of audience with EXACTLY the same songs, = the same show and the same hardware setup ! Once again, this "godfathers of today-dance-music scene" thing is just a clich=E9 overused by critics and reviewers lacking inspiration, or too = lazy to really investigate. Go back to articles and reviews published all along their career, talk with people who've seen and liked them at least from the mid-70s, and the picture will hopefully get some depth and perspective. I know what some people will say : some fans are too young to remember = KW in the 70s and 80s. So what ? Very few historians are old enough to = remember Napoleon and Julius Caesar... But does it allow them to rely on sterile clich=E9s ? The fact that millions of DJs and clueless techno musicians around the = planet are using synths and samplers and sequencers and the like is = just the natural evolution of that technology. And the fact that they = all use MIDI repeatitive sequences is just because it's the easiest and = most simple thing to do with that kind of technology. Just like the various bleeps and whooshes and pew-pews that can be found in KW works from 74 to 81 were the easiest things to do with analog modulars, the up-to-date technology of that period. Or the marimba or bass-slap sounds in EC that were the easiest thing (actually presets) to do with a DX7... I'll tell you something folks : the REAL and DEEP interesting side = of KW is elsewhere... Bye for now. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Hotstuff Date: 15 Apr 1998 13:54:52 +0000 Craig Land wrote: > > Hi there Chaps, > > I have just received today the latest catalogue from the Internet Sales and > Mail Order company, Hotstuff. There are lots of Kraftwerk goodies in here, > covering releases on both vinyl and CD. Has anyone tried to order from HotStuff ? I must say that I tried (through their site, by email and by fax), but never got any answer from them... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Hotstuff Date: 15 Apr 1998 14:00:53 +0200 I've tried them several times. Works like a charm. (At least in Sweden...) /Joakim > -----Original Message----- > Has anyone tried to order from HotStuff ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lars Nellemann Subject: Re: (kw) Hotstuff Date: 15 Apr 1998 14:09:44 +0200 > >Has anyone tried to order from HotStuff ? I must say that I tried >(through their site, by email and by fax), but never got any answer >from them... I have several times, they are very slow - and it is wise to check up on your order, and make them confirm it. That's were I got the new Electric Music CD and single from, and that's fast because it is probably not released yet. Lars # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album - part 2 Date: 15 Apr 1998 14:36:59 +0000 BTW, I'd like to thank our dear friend Mode, the outdated golden-boy of this list, for being back and stirring up some shit with his never-ending remarks about KW and the Beatles and the new album and this and that, and thus starting another passionate and useless discussion like we haven''t got in a while... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album - part 3 Date: 15 Apr 1998 14:37:44 +0000 Jon Alsbury wrote: > 90% of sales will be to existing fans. record buyers are more conservative > and narrow minded today that at any other time I can remember. kids aren't > interested in new music these days. just look at the 'alternative' music > scene - it's a fucking joke. Jules Seifert wrote: > I tend to disagree, IMHO the music scene is now more healthy that it was > in the late 80's / early 90's. In those days ppl were put off the alt > scene cos indie was just foot staring cure rip-offs, but now indie means > a whole lot more. And if you go to festivals, the audience seems to be > incredibly young (or is it me gettin' old) > > No, i think ppl a more open minded now. Look at the 80's, don't you > remember how crap they were? Mmmh... I think you're both wrong... Thinking in terms of 70s or 80s or 90s, or major vs alternative is too straightforward IMHO... In the 70s like in the 80s, you can find periods where music is only a matter of grocers (the major record companies), and when it reaches a certain critical point, the alt scene becomes frenzy and hyperactive (like in 76-79 with the punk, and then new-wave, cold-wave scene) and imposes new artistic standards. After that, the grocers strike back by investing huge amounts of money on a limited number of people from that alt movement and changing them into new dinosaurs, until the next step of this cyclic process... Please remember that there was a time when Pink Floyd, Genesis, Depeche Mode, Cure, U2 - and even KW - were alternative acts... I like to think that in the 70s indeed the audience was more open-minded, mainly because rock/pop music (and all its derivatives) didn't clutter every possible real and virtual medium (records, video, TV, radio, press, internet, supermarkets, etc. etc.). It was a "pull" period, in opposition to the "push" period of today. Therefore, ppl had to do more efforts to find certain albums (I remember that the 1st KW LP was pretty hard-to-find in 71), and theyr imagination (when listening to the music) wasn't cluttered by the video clip and the associated advertising campaign... But it's true that things have changed slightly in the 90s, since the "alternative scene", at least in the US, has no become a grocery store... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) komputer Date: 15 Apr 1998 09:01:21 -0400 firstly, we're talking about pop music here - sure, kraftwerk brought a certain artisitc element to their computer pop, but, the bottom line is that it's pop. komputer's CD is certainly reminiscent of kraftwerk, (and in places blatantly so), but, it adds to the enjoyment for me. why is that? because i think it's slyly humorous to name a song "bill gates" and then lift a bit of "the man machine". i think of looking over london, (and others) as a different point of view from t.e.e. or what have you. i wasn't on the list when the kraftwelt cd came out, but, i did note that they claim (again, obviously so) kraftwerk as inspiration...i believe they even say so on their first e.p. oddly, kraftwelt don't seem to me to be half as good as komputer. they come up with interesting SOUNDS not interesting SONGS. we've discussed the thread of the beach boys, (or whoever) through kraftwerk. do you think the beach boys list says "damn, this germanic synth band blatantly ripped off "fun, fun, fun" and never thanked the beach boys"? hell, they stripped all the harmony out of it, and it doesn't even sound like SURF!!! i sincerely doubt it crosses their minds. because that's what music is all about, generally. find elements of something you like, use the elements in your own way. no lesser band than the beatles did the same thing. the founders of rock and roll did the same, and i'm certain kraftwerk did so as well. maybe their influences were less obvious than the beatles and buddy holly, or the everly brothers (to a pop audience), but, their influences are given voice, no doubt. now, i can listen to komputer, and "figure out" the elements quite easily. to say they sound EXACTLY like kraftwerk is a bit of a thing i'd expect my parents to have said - even though the ramones sounded nothing like devo, it was all "that racket" back in the 70's! komputer are much less minimal than mid period kraftwerk, and perhaps even use "fuller" arrangements than does late period k.w. my guess about not mentioning kraftwerk in the mute bio? why bother? i'm sure they've been mentioned in countless interviews, or reviews. why state the obvious? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album - part 2 Date: 15 Apr 1998 09:09:27 EDT On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:36:59 +0000 jbv writes: > >BTW, I'd like to thank our dear friend Mode, the outdated golden-boy >of this list, for being back and stirring up some shit with his >never-ending remarks about KW and the Beatles and the new album and >this >and that, and thus starting another passionate and useless discussion >like we haven''t got in a while... > >jbv > ...and dont forget the the alfa romeo (or was it a ferrari? miata? vw? fiat?) tom w sp: damo suzuki -tokyo 4/30/97 (is this man a genius or a lunatic?) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album - part 2 Date: 15 Apr 1998 14:15:44 +0100 >...and dont forget the the alfa romeo (or was it a ferrari? miata? vw? >fiat?) or Tonka? ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Hotstuff Date: 15 Apr 1998 14:14:42 +0100 > >Craig Land wrote: >> >> Hi there Chaps, >> >> I have just received today the latest catalogue from the Internet Sales and >> Mail Order company, Hotstuff. There are lots of Kraftwerk goodies in here, >> covering releases on both vinyl and CD. > > >Has anyone tried to order from HotStuff ? I must say that I tried >(through their site, by email and by fax), but never got any answer >from them... I have ordered quite a few items from Hotstuff and found them very keen on price, with an excellent rapid service. Mind you, be sure to read their terms and conditions of sale, it's like any mail order service, you must follow their procedures in order for your order to be processed! Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album - part 2 Date: 15 Apr 1998 14:22:01 +0100 >>...and dont forget the the alfa romeo (or was it a ferrari? >miata? vw? >>fiat?) .....yeah, like all Italian cars, they fall apart!! It's cheaper to buy a Tonka anyway, it will probably last alot longer than a Ferrari, even if you do let the kids play with! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J Talbert Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album Date: 15 Apr 1998 09:50:15 -0400 >> > I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head there. I believe it's gone > already to a large extent. I believe a lot of people who have taken an > interest in Kraftwerk comparatively recently will take one listen to the new > album and say "yeah, what's the big deal?". you have to admit, as good as > they were, they peaked a long long time ago. > > they should have split in '86. they'd have been remembered as they were at the > pinnacle of their influence and success. perfect. unassailable. who honestly > believes this new album will take the game forward and leave the world aghast > in the way Trans Europe Express and The Man-Machine did? > > Let's hope they prove me wrong! << Excuse my opinion here, but aren't we putting a little too much pressure on a musical group? Are Kraftwerk really responsible for taking music to the next level? I'm sure this was never their original intent. From my perspective, they are still talented musicians. Personnaly, I'm not concerned if the next CD turns the music world on its ear. It just needs to be good music (which I'm sure they'll have no trouble creating) My fear is that its this kind of unrealistic pressure that may have made them afraid to release new material for such a long time. Remember after all, they are just human. -- -John 'efofex' Talbert _____________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "...Enter the carousel; This is the time for renewal." Featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Hotstuff Date: 15 Apr 1998 16:21:06 +0000 Craig Land wrote: > > I have ordered quite a few items from Hotstuff and found them very keen on > price, with an excellent rapid service. > > Mind you, be sure to read their terms and conditions of sale, it's like any > mail order service, you must follow their procedures in order for your order > to be processed! > > Craig. What do u mean exactly ? That I'm a newbie ? That I can't read ? That I need glasses ? That I'm too old ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Poolton Subject: (kw) HOTSTUFF Date: 15 Apr 1998 15:41:43 +0100 jbv wrote: What do u mean exactly ? That I'm a newbie ? That I can't read ? That I need glasses ? That I'm too old ? Well 3 out of 4 ain't too bad jbv my old chum! :-) Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album Date: 15 Apr 1998 16:10:07 +0100 >Excuse my opinion here, but aren't we putting a little too much pressure >on a musical group? Are Kraftwerk really responsible for taking music >to the next level? I'm sure this was never their original intent. From my from some of the statements they (Ralf in particular) have given in interviews I get exactly the opposite impression. I thought taking music to the 'next level' was the groups raison d'etre. >perspective, they are still talented musicians. Personnaly, I'm not concerned >if the next CD turns the music world on its ear. It just needs to be good >music (which I'm sure they'll have no trouble creating) yes, i agree. People for whom money is seemingly no object can always buy the very latest gear and create bizare new sounds. The quality of the music itself, however, is another mater... >My fear is that its this kind of unrealistic pressure that may have made them >afraid to release new material for such a long time. Remember after all, >they are just human. Damn! and there was me thinking they really were robots... :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: AW: (kw) what? Kraftwerk have new material? *FAINT* Date: 14 Apr 1998 09:15:18 +0100 >Let alone the last two 97 KW gigs (I wasn't at TG) that looked like a >bad joke (when compared to gigs from the 80s for instance)... Obviously such kind of comments are subjective to the owners musical tastes. I think I speak for all of us when I say we enjoy Kraftwerk because they are vastly better than the majority of other music being made at any time in recorded history. Tribal Gathering didn't seem like much of a bad joke to me. I thought they were excellent, even if sorely lacking in new material. And "Electric Cafe" is very very under-rated. If you ignore what else we released around the same time, you'll see just how brilliant an album it is. 'Telephone Call' is probably their best ever track.. And is their any reason Telephone Call and Tour De France weren't on "The Mix" that we can ascertain? Personally I reckon Henning's doing everything and the rest are stuffed.. -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J Talbert Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album Date: 15 Apr 1998 12:47:32 -0400 > >> > >Excuse my opinion here, but aren't we putting a little too > much pressure > >on a musical group? Are Kraftwerk really responsible for > taking music > >to the next level? I'm sure this was never their original > intent. From my > > from some of the statements they (Ralf in particular) have > given in interviews I get exactly the opposite impression. I > thought taking music to the 'next level' was the groups > raison d'etre. << > Basically what I was eluding to was the fact that the press and the technomusic industry and even many Kraftwerk fans seem to hold them ultimately "responsible" for where music goes next. I myself don't expect anything of this magnitude. Its simply not something you can predict - not Kraftwerk nor anyone else. Hope I don't sound too abrasive here :-) >> > Personally, I'm not concerned > >if the next CD turns the music world on its ear. It just > needs to be good > >music (which I'm sure they'll have no trouble creating) > > yes, i agree. People for whom money is seemingly no object > can always buy the very latest gear and create bizare new > sounds. The quality of the music itself, however, is > another mater... << Totally in sync with you on this one. >>Remember after all, they are just human. > >Damn! and there was me thinking they really were robots... :-) If they are robots, since they're taking so long releasing anything new, I would assume someone's programmed them with the *delay* setting full ON. ;P -- -John 'efofex' Talbert _____________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d -Featuring the electronica of Efofex http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album Date: 15 Apr 1998 11:18:53 -0600 (MDT) On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Jules Seifert wrote: > > the only reason The Mix faired reasonably well I > > believe is because all us silly Kraftwerk fans rushed out and bought it in > > every available format... > > Yeah, mix, schmix...... I think the Mix deserved to do well because it was new and fresh and had a great sound. It's a good album. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: AW: (kw) what? Kraftwerk have new material? *FAINT* Date: 15 Apr 1998 13:18:47 EDT On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:15:18 +0100 Mark Reed writes: >Obviously such kind of comments are subjective to the owners musical >tastes. I think I speak for all of us when I say we enjoy Kraftwerk >because they are vastly better than the majority of other music being >made at any time in recorded history. Tribal Gathering didn't seem >like >much of a bad joke to me. I thought they were excellent, even if >sorely >lacking in new material. > "vastly better than the majority of other music being made at any time in recorded history"? talking about subjective...but again, doesnt anyone here listen to anything else besides KW? i think if you did, ud mute considerably these types of comments... tom w np: spyra - future of the past _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: AW: (kw) what? Kraftwerk have new material? *FAINT* Date: 15 Apr 1998 19:27:43 +0000 jbv wrote: > > >Let alone the last two 97 KW gigs (I wasn't at TG) that looked like a > >bad joke (when compared to gigs from the 80s for instance)... Mark Reed wrote: > Obviously such kind of comments are subjective to the owners musical > tastes. I think I speak for all of us when I say we enjoy Kraftwerk > because they are vastly better than the majority of other music being > made at any time in recorded history. Tribal Gathering didn't seem like > much of a bad joke to me. I thought they were excellent, even if sorely > lacking in new material. Sure, man... Balance problems, mikes problems, robots problems, screen problems, video problems, complete lack of improvisation, serious doubts about the fact that they were really performing or simply playing some tapes... for a band who's supposed to be at the cutting edge of technology and musical innovation, and who's supposed to rehearse 8 hrs a day the same repertoire for at least 17 years, is certainly a matter of subjective comments ONLY... > And "Electric Cafe" is very very under-rated. If you ignore what else we > released around the same time, you'll see just how brilliant an album it > is. 'Telephone Call' is probably their best ever track.. Did I hear "subjective comments" ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sgt.norman.hopper@wrsmtp-ccmail.army.mil (SGT Norman Hopper) Date: 15 Apr 1998 13:00:46 -0400 Hi, My name is Norman and I have been listening to, and enjoying Kraftwerk for over 20 years. I mostly read messages from this list, and actually this is the 1st time I've ever posted anything. But certain people are driving me nuts. So here goes... first and foremost everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I respect that, *BUT* (1) give Kraftwerk a break will you, they have blessed us with 20+ years of great music, fresh, innovative, ever-evolving. this leads me to number (2) If you listen to each CD from Kraftwerk through Electric Cafe I think you'll find that their music is always evolving, changing. Which I believe has always been Kraftwerk's goal. I, for one loved Electric Cafe, I am partial to techno/alternative style music that can incorporate horn sounds, and guitar sounds with synthesizers. That's talent. Lastly, (3) Everyone is talking of the new album, will it be as good? Can it live up to the reputation? Will it change the world? WHO CARES ! If you like Kraftwerk, buy it, if not, shut up. Form your own opinion later. Count your blessings, you may not even see a new Kraftwerk album, remember the album (the title slips me) scheduled for release a year or two before Electric Cafe? It was finished, recorded, printed, then scrapped! Be careful what you wish for. This album contained Tour de France, and other who knows what great songs, maybe something on this new album (if it arrives) was brought to life on this unreleased album from 10 years ago. In short, be patient, and open-minded. Everything happens for a reason, if they cancel the album, the tour, it would be a shame, but life will continue. Norman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sean Songalia" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Tour in U.S. Date: 15 Apr 1998 11:14:54 -0700 Greetings, fellow Kraftwerk fans. This is my first post on this informative list. The last time that Kraftwerk was on tour in the U.S. (around 1990?), I bought tickets to see them at the Universal Ampitheater in Hollywood, California. Being a big fan of theirs for many years (since Autobahn), I purchased the tickets though Ticketron as soon as they were announced and was quite excited at the opportunity to finally see them perform live. On the evening of the scheduled concert, a friend and I drove all the way to the Ampitheater, only to find out from the parking attendant that the concert had been abruptly cancelled. He mentioned that it was probably because of lack of ticket sales. At the time, I was unable to verify his statement and still do not know to this day, exactly why it was cancelled. Even though our tickets would be honored for refunds, I was extremely disappointed that there was no public notice about its cancellation. Other less informed people were also surprised by the cancellation as there were a line of cars in front and behind us who were turning back towards the freeway when they heard the bad news. I know I was very surprised as I kept up on current local music events and concerts because I was fairly active in the electronic music/industrial club scene in L.A. at the time. I was not surpised, however, at the possibility of lack of ticket sales, as the Universal Ampitheater is a large venue and I really don't think Kraftwerk's popularity at the time (circa Electric Cafe, The Mix, The Model, etc.) could have truly filled it. Even though they have been very influential in music, they have always seemed to have more of a cult fan base (like Tangerine Dream). I will be buying tickets for the upcoming Kraftwerk concert this year, but I still have to wonder if the same thing may happen to me again. Luckily these days we have the Internet and this list to help keep us informed. Also, the venue they are playing this time in L.A. is the Hollywood Palladium, which is much smaller and informal than the Universal Ampitheater. I think it's better suited for their type of performance anyway, with the whole venue being a dance floor with no seats. I'm sure it will attract a fairly eclectic crowd, with older electronic music fans mixing in with the newer Techno/Rave crowd who are curious to see some of the pioneers of "Electronica". I'm really looking forward to it and eager to see the first reviews of their concerts here in the U.S. Cheers! Sean Songalia # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kotta" Subject: (kw) Karl Bartos feature on swedish TV Date: 15 Apr 1998 20:21:58 +0200 Tomorrow on the swedish tv-channel Z-TV there will be a Karl Bartos special on musikmagasinet. 19:15 or the rerun at 00:15 CET. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark Subject: (kw) NY - MAY 8TH VERIFICATION!! Date: 15 Apr 1998 16:25:48 -0400 Just want to let everyone know that I called Ticketmaster today and they verified that May 8th is the day tickets go on sale for NY. They said at 12 noon, which surprised me. Doesn't Ticketmaster usually put their tickets on sale at 10 am? I just want to be sure of the time. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) Hotstuff Date: 16 Apr 1998 10:12:21 +0900 At 15 Apr 1998 13:54:52 +0000, jbv wrote: > > Craig Land wrote: > > > > Hi there Chaps, > > > > I have just received today the latest catalogue from the Internet Sales and > > Mail Order company, Hotstuff. There are lots of Kraftwerk goodies in here, > > covering releases on both vinyl and CD. > > Has anyone tried to order from HotStuff ? I must say that I tried > (through their site, by email and by fax), but never got any answer > from them... Really!?? 8-( I haven't ordered a thing from that shop before, but I'd like to try it now. Their stock list seems pretty cool! 8-) It's even better only if they have a few CDs from SPACELAB. A Swedish electro band... 8-) More later, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi MURATA (NTT Software Labs./Musashino Tokyo Japan) (work) (private) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album Date: 15 Apr 1998 09:35:29 EDT On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:03:24 -0500 Al Barrios writes: >hehe. Well it seems like some of the newer fans got into kw due to >hearing the mix, though imho the mix, though really good, is not quite >up on the other albums levels, which means instead of being almost >mindblowing it's just really really good :-) Count me as one of them...it definately made me want to "rediscover" Kraftwerk. Moving next to CW, then RA, then AB...I knew a good thing when I found it... Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 np: Bloodrock - D.O.A. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman Subject: Re: (kw) Hotstuff Date: 15 Apr 1998 21:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Whoa! Look at all the S.P.O.C.K. releases! OK, I have to place an order now. Can someone recommend a first purchase? I've never heard them before, I only know them by reputation on the list (talking about S.P.O.C.K.). Thanks, CRZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: RE: (kw) new Kraftwerk album Date: 16 Apr 1998 09:46:23 +0200 > > >Excuse my opinion here, but aren't we putting a little too > > much pressure > > >on a musical group? Are Kraftwerk really responsible for > > taking music > > >to the next level? I'm sure this was never their original > > intent. From my > > > > from some of the statements they (Ralf in particular) have > > given in interviews I get exactly the opposite impression. I > > thought taking music to the 'next level' was the groups > > raison d'etre. > Could it be that they meant taking their own music to the 'next level' and not music as such? Regards Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Out of Total Boredom! Date: 16 Apr 1998 09:02:08 +0100 Yep, there I was last night thinking,...."Well there's nothing new to play, so let me mix something up"! Metropolis with the bass killed, and dropped over the top of the beats from House Phone,....wicked!! Don't all rush at once for your KW mix tapes!! Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album Date: 16 Apr 1998 09:12:18 +0100 Ra wrote: > > I think the Mix deserved to do well because it was new and fresh and had > a great sound. It's a good album. I beg to differ, but on what planet was it new and fresh? Granted, the music is still good, and it is 100% R&F, but new and fresh it most certainly is not. To me it signalled finally that they were following, not leading....... -- ciao, Jules Seifert #Kraftwerk IRC channel http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ#: 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: RE: (kw) what? Kraftwerk have new material? *FAINT* Date: 16 Apr 1998 10:12:48 +0200 > And "Electric Cafe" is very very under-rated. If you ignore what else > we > released around the same time, you'll see just how brilliant an album > it > is. 'Telephone Call' is probably their best ever track.. > If an album is brilliant, shouldn't we be able to know that without ignoring what else was released around the same time. As I remember it at the time The Telephone call and Electric Cafe was released. I got The Telephone Call on 12" and played it to pieces. I thought it was so good, but when I later got Electric Cafe I got very dissapointed. I thought the album was VERY boring and nothing else. At the time it sounded to me like four tired guys who didn't know where to go or what to do next and the talk nowadays about KW pushing music to new levels, well at that time, to me EC was pushing nowhere. To me it was nothing like the albums before (except Telephone Call). Nowadays I have changed my opinion somewhat and I don't think it's that bad anymore. Maybe it has grown on me, maybe I listen for other things on that album than I listen for when I bought it or maybe I just have got used to it. Mind you that this is just my opinion and not a statement of facts. It's just my reaction on hearing EC the first time. Regards Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: (kw) The old new Kraftwerk album Date: 16 Apr 1998 02:37:54 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Jules Seifert wrote: > Ra wrote: > > I think the Mix deserved to do well because it was new and fresh and had > > a great sound. It's a good album. > > I beg to differ, No need to beg. We already differed. > but on what planet was it new and fresh? Granted, the On my planet, of course. :) > music is still good, and it is 100% R&F, but new and fresh it most > certainly is not. To me it signalled finally that they were following, > not leading....... Maybe, maybe not. To me it was a breath of fresh airwaves to hear some of my favorite KW tunes redone on new equipment with an expanded dynamic range. Not only did they add some decent bass, they actually did a little remixing too. The blending together of "Home Computer" and "It's More Fun to Compute" into one track blew me away. It doesn't matter what other people were doing at the time, because they're not KW. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: The Mix (Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album) Date: 16 Apr 1998 09:42:54 +0100 >I think the Mix deserved to do well because it was new and fresh and had >a great sound. It's a good album. don't get me wrong, I really like The Mix, and as you rightly point out it sounds fantastic with the new versions of Autobahn and Radioactivity in particular being much better than the original versions I believe (though interestingly Karl Bartos has recently claimed the majority of the programming that went into producing The Mix was his work alone...), however I stand by my assertion that The Mix was mainly bought by existing fans only. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Tour in U.S. Date: 16 Apr 1998 09:49:59 +0100 >On the evening of the scheduled concert, a friend and I drove all the way to >the Ampitheater, only to find out from the parking attendant that the >concert had been abruptly cancelled. He mentioned that it was probably >because of lack of ticket sales. At the time, I was unable to verify his >statement and still do not know to this day, exactly why it was cancelled. U.S. fans beware! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album Date: 16 Apr 1998 09:59:13 +0100 >Basically what I was eluding to was the fact that the press and the technomusic >industry and even many Kraftwerk fans seem to hold them ultimately >"responsible" for where music goes next. I myself don't expect anything of this >magnitude. Its simply not something you can predict - not Kraftwerk nor >anyone else. Hope I don't sound too abrasive here :-) i don't expect anything fantastic either - there are now many people working in the field who are vastly more prolific and creative than Kraftwerk are now - they are the people who are driving the scene forward, not Kraftwerk. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) The old new Kraftwerk album Date: 16 Apr 1998 10:02:40 +0100 Ra wrote: > > No need to beg. We already differed. > > > but on what planet was it new and fresh? Granted, the > > On my planet, of course. :) ahhh, that explains it perfectly ;-) > > music is still good, and it is 100% R&F, but new and fresh it most > > certainly is not. To me it signalled finally that they were following, > > not leading....... > > Maybe, maybe not. To me it was a breath of fresh airwaves to hear some of > my favorite KW tunes redone on new equipment with an expanded dynamic > range. Not only did they add some decent bass, they actually did a little > remixing too. The blending together of "Home Computer" and "It's More Fun > to Compute" into one track blew me away. > > It doesn't matter what other people were doing at the time, because > they're not KW. I agree in principle, however it largely depends on whether KW really are just another band or not. Why release a remix album at all? They coulda had 'expanded dynamic range' with NEW songs, not old ones. It smacks of 'mohammed ali' syndrome to me, although I'll still camp outside the record shop the day the next kw album gets a view of daylight.......;-) -- ciao, Jules Seifert #Kraftwerk IRC channel http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ#: 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: The Mix (Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album) Date: 16 Apr 1998 03:32:41 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Jon Alsbury wrote: > work alone...), however I stand by my assertion that The Mix > was mainly bought by existing fans only. Uh... aren't all KW albums bought only by their fans? /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) The old new Kraftwerk album Date: 16 Apr 1998 03:35:50 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Jules Seifert wrote: > Ra wrote: > > > but on what planet was it new and fresh? Granted, the > > On my planet, of course. :) > ahhh, that explains it perfectly ;-) Natch. > > Maybe, maybe not. To me it was a breath of fresh airwaves to hear some of > > my favorite KW tunes redone on new equipment with an expanded dynamic > > range. Not only did they add some decent bass, they actually did a little > > remixing too. The blending together of "Home Computer" and "It's More Fun > > to Compute" into one track blew me away. > > > > It doesn't matter what other people were doing at the time, because > > they're not KW. > > I agree in principle, however it largely depends on whether KW really > are just another band or not. Why release a remix album at all? They > coulda had 'expanded dynamic range' with NEW songs, not old ones. True, true. But since KW is my favorite group, I don't consider them "just another band". I happen to like remixes though. I consider any remix that differs by a sufficient (and small) amount to be a new song. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Attn: Rich Poolton & Jules only Date: 16 Apr 1998 10:57:53 +0100 Hi Guys, Are there still plans to see John Foxx? I have heard he is in London tonight, but yet to play the Shepherds Bush Empire. Did you find anything out Rich about the SBE gig? Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sgt.norman.hopper@wrsmtp-ccmail.army.mil (SGT Norman Hopper) Subject: (kw) Old Boys... Date: 16 Apr 1998 07:24:49 -0400 I've been reading about everyone's concerns about the possibility of Kraftwerk canceling their leg of the US tour. I hope not, I live in the DC area and have waited 20 years! 240 months! 7300 days! 175,200 hours! 10,512,000 minutes! That's along time no matter how long you wait... anyway, remember these guys (Ralf and Florian) are in their mid fifties! Pretty old, and I have read that Florian *hates* touring with any length. But, then I have two separate videos of Kraftwerk concerts from the 90's (The Mix tour) and he's dancing around like a fool, so I don't know... How tiring can it be flipping a switch that plays looping tracks? Ralf is the only one who actually plays anything anymore, from what I've seen the 2 news members (one percussionist, one programmer/mixer) just barely play. The only song the programmer (Henning? Fritz? Something like that) played was a few notes on Radioactivity. The percussionist smacked some drum pads a few times, but even most of the drum beats are all programmed. Florian... he puts on some headphones, mixes a few scratching sounds on Musique Non Stop, and that's about it. The damn robots do all the work!!! Oh well, enough rants. I'm crossing me olde' fingers that Kraftwerk will come through with the Free Tibet Festival. Norman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JL Jones" Subject: Re: (kw) The old new Kraftwerk album Date: 16 Apr 1998 06:56:05 -0400 Ra, Those of us who tend to like remixed material are in the minority... I read the same kind of derogatory commentary on the new order mailing list... a shame that some don't keep an open mind about such.. just my $.02 Jim J. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Walton" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Bootlegs? Date: 16 Apr 1998 17:20:30 +0100 Hi all, Does anybody know where I can get hold any bootleg CD's of Kraftwerk. I am particularly after the Tribal concert if possible, although I would kill to get hold of the updated version of Numbers/Computer World which they have started with on there last tours. Obviously sound quality is important. Can anyone please help me? Thanks Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: The Mix (Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album) Date: 16 Apr 1998 17:26:15 +0100 >> work alone...), however I stand by my assertion that The Mix >> was mainly bought by existing fans only. > >Uh... aren't all KW albums bought only by their fans? er, no - were you a fan when you bought your first KW album? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lars Nellemann" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Bootlegs? Date: 16 Apr 1998 18:27:55 +0200 > Does anybody know where I can get hold any bootleg CD's of Kraftwerk. I am > particularly after the Tribal concert if possible, although I would kill to > get hold of the updated version of Numbers/Computer World which they have > started with on there last tours. Obviously sound quality is important. Check out this address: http://www.image.dk/~biotech4/kw/kw.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sgt.norman.hopper@wrsmtp-ccmail.army.mil (SGT Norman Hopper) Subject: (kw) Free Tibet Festival Date: 16 Apr 1998 12:38:10 -0400 Anybody have any information of Kraftwerk and the Free Tibet Festival in the Washington, DC area? Thanks, Norman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Free Tibet Festival Date: 16 Apr 1998 20:03:00 +0200 (DFT) > Anybody have any information of Kraftwerk and the Free Tibet Festival > in the Washington, DC area? http://www.tibet98.com Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Nilsson Subject: (kw) Flur Interview Date: 16 Apr 1998 20:06:22 +0200 There was an interview with Wolfgang Flur in the latest edition of Swedish magazine "Sauna" He talks about Yamo and some Kraftwerk questions too. He explains that he was recently very dissapointed when he read an interview with Ralf in a german magazine that him and Karl were just considered as guest-workers and that they have had som many guest artists over the years that he cant remember them all, and that Ralf and Florian did everything. In addition to that statement he says that he invented the world's first drumpatch table in 1973. There's also a photo of Wolfgang with his pants halfway down showing his butt with a painted "Yamo" logo on it.. :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) The old new Kraftwerk album Date: 16 Apr 1998 17:09:59 +0100 >Those of us who tend to like remixed material are in the minority... >I read the same kind of derogatory commentary on the >new order mailing list... >a shame that some don't keep an open mind >about such.. Well I can see both sides of the argument here, I for one like to keep an open mind on remix projects as some are very good. A similar topic of debate pursues on the Numan Digest, as Random 2 has just been released which is a compilation of classic Numan songs re-worked by top name Techno artists. I for one love it (I did not like Random1 however). Trouble is, with today's technology anyone can get into a studio, or even build there own at home for a minimal sum, and produce remix material of their own. So you probably have two main categories; 1) Artist authorised remix projects 2) Bootleg remix's I would say in both categories that there will be good and bad. But also, as with any music, alot comes down to personal taste. Some really clever remix projects are far removed from the style of the original, to illustrate, it could be like having someone like Ritchie Blackmore composing accoustic remixes of Kraftwerk tunes. Someone out there may love it, but not everyone will! In short, if you like it, buy it. If not, dosn't mean its crap!! Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Old Boys... Date: 16 Apr 1998 11:58:57 -0700 SGT Norman Hopper sez: >I've been reading about everyone's concerns about the possibility of Kraftwerk canceling their leg of the US tour. I hope not, I live in the DC area and have waited 20 years! 240 months! 7300 days! 175,200 hours! 10,512,000 minutes!< Me too! >That's along time no matter how long you wait... anyway, remember these guys (Ralf and Florian) are in their mid fifties!< Florian just turned 51. DOB: Apr 7, 1947 Ralfs is also 51. DOB: Aug 20 1946 -(I keep forgetting if it's the 20th or 22nd.)- >I have read that Florian *hates* touring with any length. But, then I have two separate videos of Kraftwerk concerts from the 90's (The Mix tour) and he's dancing around like a fool, so I don't know...< Someone told me he climbed up the KlingKlang scaffold/framewerk and held up his Calculator so folks in the balcony could push buttons! "He looked like a monkey!"!*HeHee*! "Oo-ah!"! "EE-EEee!" >How tiring can it be flipping a switch that plays looping tracks?< >The damn robots do all the work!!!< *snicker* They can WERK on ME anytime! >Oh well, enough rants. I'm crossing me olde' fingers that Kraftwerk will come through with the Free Tibet Festival.< As a lot of people have said, I wont believe it til I see 'em on stage. Check the KONVOY List! http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/konvoy98/ How come nobody wants to share rooms and stuff? Oh- I gotta respond to THIS.... Daniel Nilsson sez: >There's also a photo of Wolfgang with his pants halfway down showing his butt with a painted "Yamo" logo on it.. :) URL? Scan? PLEEEEEEEEEEEZE?? Oh, it would be interesting to read the Article, too!*HeeHee*! ROBOT Later.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) The old new Kraftwerk album Date: 16 Apr 1998 21:11:31 +0000 Craig Land wrote: > > it could be like having someone like Ritchie Blackmore composing > accoustic remixes of Kraftwerk tunes. Wow ! Did you hear it ? Is it available ? Where can I find it ? Any more info on that ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: a1011@hem.passagen.se Subject: (kw) Hotstuff & S.P.O.C.K. Date: 17 Apr 1998 01:28:33 +0200 >Can someone recommend a first purchase? I've never heard them before, I >only know them by reputation on the list (talking about S.P.O.C.K.). Some (swedish) S.P.O.C.K.-sites: http://www.subspace.se http://www.acc.umu.se/~headache/spock/spock.sou.html As a first buy I'd recommend the 2CD-collection: 'A PIECE OF THE ACTION-The Singles & Some More' because it containstheir older and, according to my opinion, best songs. Check www.skivhugget.se (a HUGE record-store) before you buy any records! Their prices are (was?) often lower than Hotstuff's (and maybe the service is better...). (Tip: when you have done a search for a title/artist there is a button in the middle of the screen (it says [sok/search]); click the button and you'll get the records not in stock (sometimes they might get these records for you in reasonable time).) Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) The old new Kraftwerk album Date: 16 Apr 1998 19:16:51 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, JL Jones wrote: > Ra, > Those of us who tend to like remixed material are in the minority... > I read the same kind of derogatory commentary on the > new order mailing list... > a shame that some don't keep an open mind > about such.. Yeah, but I'm used to it. I am sooooo in a minority that I don't care anymore. I mean, look: I know that Kraftwerk exists (minority). I like electronic music to the exclusion of all else (minority). I dislike live performances (minority). I love remixes (minority). I hate Autobahn (minority). Sometimes it seems that good taste just can't win. :) But then, good taste is always in a minority of one. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: The Mix (Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album) Date: 16 Apr 1998 19:27:26 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Jon Alsbury wrote: > >Uh... aren't all KW albums bought only by their fans? > > er, no - were you a fan when you bought your first KW album? Actually, yes. But what I meant was, however one hears their first KW, if they like it they're going to go buy all the albums. Therefore the majority of the sales go to people who have decided they like KW. I think the one-time buyers may be fewer than A*F (where A is the number of albums and F is the number of fans) in this case, because in my experience very few people even know of the existence of KW. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Updated ICQ List. Date: 16 Apr 1998 21:44:42 Howdy, folks. At the request of several list members, here's a copy of the latest updated master ICQ list of Kraftwerk fans who are both list members and non-list members alike. If you are an ICQ user and would like to have your information included on this list, simply contact me at nebulous@erols.com and supply your nickname, UIN #, and country. Happy chatting! =) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Nickname UIN# Country -=-=-=-= -=-= -=-=-=- AVELLAR 10271785 brazil Brad 6629434 australia [Dandy] 4187374 turkey Daniel(25) 2243524 sweden Data 10479579 uk fallen angel 792430 usa Farki 10350144 hungary Finbom 2498812 sweden Jean-Luc Turbo 8795781 usa jono 10708233 uk Jules 7421804 uk Kotta 6963779 sweden Kraftwerk 7663168 sweden Kraftwerk 9654340 brazil Kraftwerk 4470506 usa kraftwerk 9617389 norway Kraftwerk 3592553 canada Kraftwerk 9961880 russia Lbo 10717450 italy Lionheart 9785110 portugal Mauricio 6952164 chile MichaelMelzer 5819669 austria njmsubbie 5448506 usa? PezScotty 10426112 usa shallow 2722160 spain Syntharen 707212 sweden Tezzy 10061691 sweden Thomas 9021040 germany -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- PezScotty nebulous@erols.com #Kraftwerk, IRC's DALnet ICQ#: 10426112 "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) John Foxx Date: 17 Apr 1998 13:06:24 +0000 At 10:57 am +0100 16/4/98, Craig Land wrote: >I have heard he is in London tonight, but yet to play the Shepherds Bush >Empire. Did you find anything out Rich about the SBE gig? This is part of a UK tour it seems. He's playing here in Birmingham tomorrow. Ob. Kraftwerk: have any KW fans here heard Foxx's 'Metamatic' era stuff and not enjoyed it...? ;-) K -- Kevin Busby, Studio Manager, Department of Music, University of Birmingham, Edgbaston, Birmingham, B15 2TT, England. Tel: +44-(0)121-414 5785. Fax: +44-(0)121 414 5781. WWW: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/ Email: artless@innocent.com or K.G.Busby@bham.ac.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Luca Dassi Subject: Re: (kw) John Foxx Date: 17 Apr 1998 15:27:45 +0200 Kevin Busby wrote: > Ob. Kraftwerk: have any KW fans here heard Foxx's 'Metamatic' era stuff and > not enjoyed it...? ;-) I enjoyed it of course...so bad after "The Golden Section" he seemed to enter a Churchy/NewAge stage! Did anyone listen to JF's "The Shifting City"? (unavailable in Italy :-[ ). Someone told me it's almost a "Metamatic for the '90s" - all comments welcome. Ciao, Luca Dassi [In the beginning there was Hi-Tech] [In the beginning there was Lo-Tech] [In the beginning there was that Discotheque!] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Nilsson Subject: (kw) wolfgang picture Date: 17 Apr 1998 15:29:00 +0200 Hi, I was asked for that picture with Wolfgang Flur showing his yamo-painted butt, so, I scanned it. here's the URL if you want to take a look! (the picture in the magazine was quite small, so not so great quality) http://home3.swipnet.se/~w-34145/wolfgang.jpg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album Date: 16 Apr 1998 00:11:48 EDT On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:50:15 -0400 J Talbert writes: >My fear is that its this kind of unrealistic pressure that may have >made them afraid to release new material for such a long time. I think you've got that right. Personally, I follow artists I like (and I am extremely varied). If I listen to any one artist continously, I will dislike them after a while. Variety IS the spice of life, and I like my life spicy. (Did I just say that?) >Remember after all, they are just human. I thought they were not only robots, but THE robots... Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 np: Al Green - I'm Still In Love With You _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: (kw) Interview with Karl Bartos Date: 17 Apr 1998 16:49:45 +0200 > Just watched the program at swedish ZTV with Karl Bartos. Mainly old > stuff, but some new things: > > - A video with the swedish rock-group the Teddybears performing a > cover of the Robots > How should I describe it? - Well - different. They followed the > original pretty close, exect for heavy use of distorted guitars... > > - A video with Jay-something, containing samples which didn't take too > long to figure out where they came from. > > - The videoclip available from www.kraftwerk.com - but this time in > perfect quality. You could easily see their faces and small details. > Must say that Florian looks realy cool with his completely bald head > and that funny smile. > > During the program there was an interview with Alexander Bard from > Army of Lovers. Besides spreading quite a lot of erroneous info he > stated Computer World to be the very reason he's working with music. > > > /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: susan.woolridge@virgin.net Subject: (kw) kraft boot? Date: 17 Apr 1998 19:27:23 -0700 hello there, does anyone have any kraftwerk bootlegs they want to trade. i have a copy of their tribal gathering concert (partial i think though 45+mins) that i recorded off the radio as it happened... that failing is any one else interested in the black dog. he's amazing (and easy to engage in conversation as you can send him an email from his official site and has always replied to me) stephen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) AKTIVITÄT #10 Date: 18 Apr 1998 01:13:21 -0700 KW, ESP, and Lucid Dreaming: *WOW* I just picked up AKTIVITÄT #10 from Mom's house today- Thank you, Ian!! Lovely issue! -(I can't bear to think of it as the "final" issue!*Boo-Hoo*!)- I damn-near had a heart attack when I saw the picture on page 16! -(Very nice! 3 of the ROBOTS at various consoles in the KlingKlang Soundgarten)- Well, last night I dreamed I was in the future, talking to a young woman. I asked if she'd ever heard of a band named KRAFTWERK. She looked kind of surprised, said "yes", and showed me a poster VERY similar to this picture!! The poster in my dream showed only 2 ROBOTS, R&F, more close-up and standing in slightly different positions as in the Fanzine foto, but, definitely at their consoles. I've NEVER seen this foto before. -(Where'd it come from? The only picture I've seen that's even remotely similar was a shot of RalfBOT in the studio reaching for a wallphone or panel of some kind. I'm not counting the M.M. Dummies at the mixing board. That's way different.)- Jeez- my ESP is WERKing overtime! -(Too bad I didn't pay more attention to the dream I had around Apr 1st about being in our storage garage looking for my shortwave radios, and the garage was nearly empty. Sure enough, hubby checked the garage a coupla days later and $1500 worth of electronics and stuff was GONE. Good thing my SYNTHS weren't in there or I'd have to shoot every thievin' speedfreak in Humboldt County!*ARGH*! But, that's another story, and totally off-topic. I'm sorry if I already mentioned it on the List.)- Aside from the obvious far-out freaky-fantasy type KW dreams, I often dream about meeting R&F in a non-chalant setting- like in a restaurant or wherever. Wishful thinking? Probably. Precognition? Hm-m-m.... Maybe. -(I knew what the E.Cafe Album cover looked like beforehand as well as a vague inpression of the sounds. I saw this page 16 picture. I heard the Luton song before they came out with it- etc.)- Cue The Twilight Zone theme with a TEKKNO beat.... this is TOO weird. I'm NOT joking. I honestly don't know how to deal with this "gift/curse". I do see myself and other Fans at a KW Konzert, so, it HAS to come true! Who else out there has Clairvoyant KRAFTWERK Dreams? Am I the only one picking up signals fron KlingKlang? This is NOT mere "obsession" or "delusion". I see/hear things in my head -(KW or otherwise)- and these things often turn out to be TRUE. I just wish my GOOD dreams/visions would come true more often instead of my BAD "warning" dreams. God, it's so FRUSTRATING!! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Any KW ads? Date: 18 Apr 1998 10:08:09 -0700 Hm-m-m.... Just out of curiousity, has anyone seen any advertisements for the KRAFTWERK Tour in any music magazines, etc? -(Besides Pete Liethen's MTV News Clip. Thanks, Pete!)- If it weren't for the InterNet, I'd be COMPLETELY clueless instead of just SEMI-clueless.... Oh, Pete says there are some ads in music stores in the Madison, WI area about the Chicago Konzert. Has anyone else seen anything? Posters, Flyers etc? SNAG 'em!*HeeHee*! Gee, it's amazing what you learn in the #Kraftwerk channel. Well, 'back to the chatroom! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gans allein" Subject: Re: The Mix (Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album) Date: 17 Apr 1998 22:35:13 PDT >>> work alone...), however I stand by my assertion that The Mix >>> was mainly bought by existing fans only. >> >>Uh... aren't all KW albums bought only by their fans? > >er, no - were you a fan when you bought your first KW album? > Umm...yes I was already a fan when I bought my first KW album; I hadn't even heard of them when a friend of mine made me a tape...I became a fan and THEN bought the albums... It has been my experience that most people I talk to today have never heard of Kraftwerk or think they are long gone ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Abzug Eins" Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album - not robots?? Date: 18 Apr 1998 12:51:05 PDT >Damn! and there was me thinking they really were robots... >:-) What? They are not robots???? BLINK ZORG!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: Re: (kw) Any KW ads? Date: 19 Apr 1998 02:29:19 -0500 At 10:08 AM 4/18/98 -0700, ROBOT wrote: >Hm-m-m.... >Just out of curiousity, has anyone seen any advertisements for the >KRAFTWERK Tour in any music magazines, etc? -(Besides Pete Liethen's >MTV News Clip. Thanks, Pete!)- If it weren't for the InterNet, I'd be >COMPLETELY clueless instead of just SEMI-clueless.... > >Oh, Pete says there are some ads in music stores in the Madison, WI >area about the Chicago Konzert. Has anyone else seen anything? >Posters, Flyers etc? SNAG 'em!*HeeHee*! Just saw that the Chicago Shows List (http://ChicagoMusic.com/shows) is finally listing the KW concert on 6/10, albeit as "unconfirmed." I didn't check last week, but they must have given it as October 6 then, since this week's edition listed a correction of the date to 6/10, followed by the note "Darn European date format." Best regards, -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: AW: (kw) what? Kraftwerk have new material? *FAINT* Date: 19 Apr 1998 11:21:21 +0100 Tom W wrote: >"vastly better than the majority of other music being made at any time in >recorded history"? talking about subjective...but again, doesnt anyone >here listen to anything else besides KW? i think if you did, ud mute >considerably these types of comments... out of curiousity, what else do you listen to Tom? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Any KW ads? Date: 19 Apr 1998 11:07:24 +0100 >check last week, but they must have given it as October 6 then, since this >week's edition listed a correction of the date to 6/10, followed by the note >"Darn European date format." hehehe! - catches 'em out every time! BTW, any response from NME regarding the supposed Royal Festival Hall concerts? I know people who work on NME and MM read this list, so come on guys - speak up - was it just an April fools joke or did you let the cat out of the bag too soon? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: The Mix (Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album) Date: 19 Apr 1998 11:09:42 +0100 >It has been my experience that most people I talk to today have >never heard of Kraftwerk or think they are long gone Never heard of Kraftwerk? where do you live? on Mars? :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: The Mix (Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album) Date: 19 Apr 1998 12:04:46 -0700 >It has been my experience that most people I talk to today have >never heard of Kraftwerk or think they are long gone .......they are long gone. God bless them. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Konzert Date: 19 Apr 1998 12:43:42 +0100 http://www.kraftwerk.com/konzert.html has anyone noticed - Kraftwerk's world doesn't include Antarctica (or the British Isles for that matter). :-) Also, the Roskilde festival is marked, the Spanish concert is not. I wonder why? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: AW: (kw) what? Kraftwerk have new material? *FAINT* Date: 19 Apr 1998 09:40:03 EDT On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:21:21 +0100 Jon Alsbury writes: > >Tom W wrote: >>"vastly better than the majority of other music being made at any >time in >>recorded history"? talking about subjective...but again, doesnt >anyone >>here listen to anything else besides KW? i think if you did, ud mute >>considerably these types of comments... > >out of curiousity, what else do you listen to Tom? > well heres the current crop in the cd changer: the black dog - music for adverts (and short films) b12 - 3ep disjecta - clean pit and lid mark hollis - s/t (formerly of talk talk) nils petter molvaer - khmer (on ecm; fabulous) sly and robbie - friends dub syndicate - fear of a green planet bernie worrell - funk of ages keller and schonwalder - more loops techno animal - vs reality man cannot live on kw alone...hope this helps...tom w _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: Re: The Mix (Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album) Date: 19 Apr 1998 09:37:23 -0500 At 10:35 PM 4/17/98 PDT, you wrote: >Umm...yes I was already a fan when I bought my first KW album; >I hadn't even heard of them when a friend of mine made me a >tape...I became a fan and THEN bought the albums... >It has been my experience that most people I talk to today have >never heard of Kraftwerk or think they are long gone I occasionally hang out on a chat system on the Web, and every so often the thread of conversation drifts to "what are you listening to right now?" When I mention that I have KW playing, the single most common reaction is "Who?" (usually, for some reason, persons too young to remember "Autobahn" in its original release), followed by "Kraftwerk? Whatever happened to them? Are they still alive?" *sigh* Best regards, -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) =?iso-8859-1?Q?AKTIVIT=C4T?= #10 Date: 19 Apr 1998 15:21:42 +0500 On 18-Apr-98, ROBOT wrote: >Who else out there has Clairvoyant KRAFTWERK Dreams? Am I the only one >picking up signals fron KlingKlang? This is NOT mere "obsession" or >"delusion". I see/hear things in my head -(KW or otherwise)- and these >things often turn out to be TRUE. I just wish my GOOD dreams/visions >would come true more often instead of my BAD "warning" dreams. My warning dreams are never specific enough to do me any good... :-( I'm not sure about clairvoyant KW dreams, but I've had some pretty silly ones! While waiting for 'Electric Cafe' to come out, I dreamed that they had released an album called 'Weird Colors' (shades of 'Technicolor'???). Part of the cover featured the CW dummies posing with deranged expressions on their faces, and the liner notes consisted of disjointed statements like "Do you think Ralf looks cold or just very tired?", "What IS that dang deal?", and "As Berlin as can be"... When EC came out, the title 'Boing Boom Tschak' seemed like something out of my dream! In another dream, I was listening to KW performing 'We Are the Donuts...' :-) -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: AW: (kw) what? Kraftwerk have new material? *FAINT* Date: 19 Apr 1998 14:33:51 -0600 (MDT) > Tom W wrote: > >"vastly better than the majority of other music being made at any time in > >recorded history"? talking about subjective...but again, doesnt anyone > >here listen to anything else besides KW? i think if you did, ud mute > >considerably these types of comments... Didn't see the original message, but... I listen to lots of stuff besides KW. I even have a few albums of stuff I like better than KW, but I still think KW are the best group in the world and that they paved the way for a lot of modern music. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: AW: (kw) what? Kraftwerk have new material? *FAINT* Date: 19 Apr 1998 17:38:02 EDT On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:33:51 -0600 (MDT) Ra writes: >> Tom W wrote: >> >"vastly better than the majority of other music being made at any >time in >> >recorded history"? talking about subjective...but again, doesnt >anyone >> >here listen to anything else besides KW? i think if you did, ud >mute >> >considerably these types of comments... > >Didn't see the original message, but... >I listen to lots of stuff besides KW. I even have a few albums of >stuff I >like better than KW, but I still think KW are the best group in the >world >and that they paved the way for a lot of modern music. > u didnt have to see the original...it was ur usual "kw is god" vs " wake up, theres so much more out there" debate...someone asked to post what im listening to these days and i did...there u have it....and i repeat: man does not live by KW alone...please: xpand ur horizons, compare, grow, listen to other things, be informed...mama mia... tom w np: orb - orblivion _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: AW: (kw) what? Kraftwerk have new material? *FAINT* Date: 19 Apr 1998 17:18:10 -0600 (MDT) On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 tweibrecht@juno.com wrote: > On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:33:51 -0600 (MDT) Ra writes: > >Didn't see the original message, but... > u didnt have to see the original...it was ur usual "kw is god" vs " wake > up, theres so much more out there" debate...someone asked to post what im > listening to these days and i did...there u have it....and i repeat: man Oh, OK. The usual. > does not live by KW alone...please: xpand ur horizons, compare, grow, > listen to other things, be informed...mama mia... Please expand your spelling. Be literate... /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: AW: (kw) what? Kraftwerk have new material? *FAINT* Date: 19 Apr 1998 19:41:06 EDT On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:18:10 -0600 (MDT) Ra writes: >> does not live by KW alone...please: xpand ur horizons, compare, >grow, >> listen to other things, be informed...mama mia... > >Please expand your spelling. Be literate... hows this for literate: FUCK YOU dont be an asshole, tom w np: john cale - asshole _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) vynil prices? Date: 20 Apr 1998 04:38:55 +0200 I've just bought at a stand in a discotheque the 7" in subject. I paid it 12.000 liras (about 12 DM). just for a matter of curisity, I'm not going to sell it, what is the quotation for this item? I was also told that vynil of The Mix is quoted 60 british pounds in some collectionist referenc catalog. is it true? what about a 12" of Tour de France that has "from the movie [I don't remember]..." on it? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Hotstuff? Date: 20 Apr 1998 01:12:34 -0300 Anyone confirm this address? www.hotstuff.se I tried but I went to nowhere... thanks Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Wanted KW material Date: 20 Apr 1998 01:39:00 -0300 I would like to buy the following KW material: LP Organization - Tone Float, Kraftwerk 1, Kraftwerk 2, Highrail, Elektro Kinetik, Computer World (with Mini Calculateur), Electric Cafe (with spanish version of Sex Object) 12" or 7" Singles Tour de France (second edition/Kervokian remixed version and german version) Telephone Call The Robots 91 Radioactivity 91 Mini Calculateur Someone can help me? Please send me a private mail. Thanks Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Hotstuff? Date: 20 Apr 1998 06:58:35 +0200 On 20-Apr-98 A.D., tg97 carved the following runes about "(kw) Hotstuff?": =20 > Anyone confirm this address? >=20 > www.hotstuff.se >=20 > I tried but I went to nowhere... I suppose some people think that =C4lmhult, Sweden is nowhere... --=20 E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: AW: (kw) what? Kraftwerk have new material? *FAINT* Date: 20 Apr 1998 00:37:38 -0600 (MDT) On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 tweibrecht@juno.com wrote: > On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:18:10 -0600 (MDT) Ra writes: > >> does not live by KW alone...please: xpand ur horizons, compare, > >> grow, > >> listen to other things, be informed...mama mia... > > > >Please expand your spelling. Be literate... > > hows this for literate: FUCK YOU > dont be an asshole, I rest my case. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Barnard Subject: RE: (kw) Hotstuff? Date: 20 Apr 1998 08:32:21 +0100 >>Anyone confirm this address? > >>www.hotstuff.se http://www.hotstuff.se/ Above works fine. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pontus Aratoun Subject: (kw) HI all Kraftwerks fans all over the world! Date: 20 Apr 1998 10:20:02 +0100 My name is Pontus Aratoun. I live in Gothenburg/Sweden. Been a Kraftwerk fan since 1979( I am 30 now). So in the future you will se more of me at this list. If you want to KW ICQ chat do it at: 7945335 I hope to go to Roskilde and see them live. Is anyone of you going there? Do enyone know if there are other places in Europe that they will play at? (except Roskilde and Barcelona) Have a nice day Pontus Aratoun # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Any KW ads? Date: 20 Apr 1998 10:24:12 +0000 > has anyone seen any advertisements for the KRAFTWERK Tour in any music > magazines, etc? The April issue of Musix (German freebie magazine) contains an MCT advert with all current MCT concert dates, including the Kraftwerk ones. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: AW: (kw) what? Kraftwerk have new material? *FAINT* Date: 20 Apr 1998 09:23:18 +0100 tweibrecht@juno.com wrote: > > hows this for literate: FUCK YOU > > dont be an asshole, > Glad to see intelligence still prevails on this list..... -- ciao, Jules Seifert #Kraftwerk IRC channel http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ#: 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: The Mix (Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album) Date: 20 Apr 1998 09:40:38 +0100 >Umm...yes I was already a fan when I bought my first KW album; >I hadn't even heard of them when a friend of mine made me a >tape...I became a fan and THEN bought the albums... i see. >It has been my experience that most people I talk to today have >never heard of Kraftwerk or think they are long gone me too. :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) John Foxx Date: 20 Apr 1998 11:50:54 +0200 Luca Dassi wrote: > Did anyone listen to JF's "The Shifting City"? (unavailable in Italy :-[ > ). > Someone told me it's almost a "Metamatic for the '90s" - all comments > welcome. It's a pretty good album, get it if you see it somewhere. It may well be the second best J. Foxx album after Metamatic. Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Hotstuff... Date: 20 Apr 1998 13:36:08 +0000 Please forget what I said about Hotsuff before : they have just confirmed my order (it took them almost 3 weeks, pretty slow)... And that's good news, because it includes the collaboration between Panasonic & A. Vega (which I haven't seen anywhere else) and also a book about NIN (which was out-of-print even at Amazon.com)... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: AW: (kw) what? Kraftwerk have new material? *FAINT* Date: 20 Apr 1998 13:43:50 +0100 >I listen to lots of stuff besides KW. I even have a few albums of stuff I >like better than KW, but I still think KW are the best group in the world >and that they paved the way for a lot of modern music. Undoubtedly they paved the way for a lot of modern music, but as much as I love them, personally I don't think KW even come *close* to being the 'best' group in the world. We'll have to agree to disagree! :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) LA Gig Date: 20 Apr 1998 13:48:21 +0100 For those that are going to the LA gig, I am wondering what there is to do in LA after the gig? I will be in the USA whilst on vacation from our miserable wet shores of England, and would like to hit a good club afterwards. Any ideas? I have ordered my t-shirt for the gig, it's the 1997 tour t-shirt. So at least I will be reasonably up-tp-date. Just a pity I will be missing the Numan gig in LA on the 19 May by three days!!! Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sgt.norman.hopper@wrsmtp-ccmail.army.mil (SGT Norman Hopper) Subject: (kw) Free Tibet Festival in Washington, DC Date: 20 Apr 1998 09:07:30 -0400 I saw a plug on MTV this weekend for the Free Tibet Festival in Washington, DC. They were stating the new bands added to the lineup, and then they did a run down of all the *confirmed* bands for the Festival. Well, as you can guess, Kraftwerk was the *only* band they did not list as *confirmed* to play. My question, had anyone seen anything in writing, or an MTV commercial, an ad. There's nothing on the Ticketmaster website as far as tickets for the Festival. I can smell yet another Kraftwerk let down in the air. If they do play, you know they'll play last, and I'll be damned if I'm sitting through 5-6 hours of music to *not* hear Kraftwerk play. sometimes I wonder why they shrouded themselves in such mystery all their lives, they could have been *HUGE*. A friend of mine, Kurt Harland (Information Society); and yes I do know him, told me he worked with Kraftwerk member Karl Bartos on one song from Information Society's P&L, Inc. album and Kurt said Ralf and Florian were into music making as more or less a hobby, and that they were wealthy German boys who weren't dependant on the money they make from their albums, so maybe that is a contributing factor to their slowness in album production. Who knows, I guess only time will tell.... l8tr, Norman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) AKTIVIT-T #10 Date: 20 Apr 1998 16:46:00 +0000 > I damn-near had a heart attack when I saw the picture on page 16! -(Very nice! 3 > of the ROBOTS at various consoles in the KlingKlang Soundgarten) > I've NEVER seen this foto before. -(Where'd it come from? Zounds 5 / 1992. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Free Tibet Festival in Washington, DC Date: 20 Apr 1998 15:28:38 +0100 > song from Information Society's P&L, Inc. album and Kurt said Ralf and > Florian were into music making as more or less a hobby, and that they > were wealthy German boys who weren't dependant on the money they make > from their albums, so maybe that is a contributing factor to their > slowness in album production. yep, could be... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) www.kraftwerk.ch Date: 20 Apr 1998 18:16:39 +0200 hi werkers, chek this out http://www.kraftwerk.ch=20 :) .as ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: Re: (kw) Any KW ads? Date: 18 Apr 1998 23:36:19 PDT >Hm-m-m.... >Just out of curiousity, has anyone seen any advertisements for the >KRAFTWERK Tour in any music magazines, etc? -(Besides Pete Liethen's >MTV News Clip. Thanks, Pete!)- If it weren't for the InterNet, I'd be >COMPLETELY clueless instead of just SEMI-clueless.... > >Oh, Pete says there are some ads in music stores in the Madison, WI >area about the Chicago Konzert. Has anyone else seen anything? >Posters, Flyers etc? SNAG 'em!*HeeHee*! For any of you that missed the MTV video, or had troubble dowloading it goto: http://www.execpc.com/~pliethen/media.html I also added another audio clip to that was on the radio this afternoon on the local 'alternative' station about the Tibetan Freedom concert. The announcer does a great job butchering the pronuciation of Kraftwerk :-) As soon as I get my hand on a scanner, I'll scan in the flyers and posters that are at the record stores. Peter Liethen pliethen@execpc.com http://petenet.dragonfire.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Olsen Subject: (kw) New album release before tour ? Date: 20 Apr 1998 10:19:10 +0200 Look I=B4ve been wondering: The Kraftwerk tour start in june - what are the chances they are going to release any new material (an album) before the start of the tour ?=20 The way I see it there are two possibilities: A) They are going to tour with a "greatest hits" show plus maybe one=20 or two new tracks. They can use the tour to get publicity etc. and=20 then release the new material. Or... B) Do a show based around the new album but including some af the old classics. If they do this it would be natural to release the album before the start of tour to give the audience a chance to get familliar with the new material. =20 I would prefer B but is it likely to happen ? =20 =20 klaus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) New album release before tour ? Date: 20 Apr 1998 17:47:21 +0100 >The Kraftwerk tour start in june - what are the chances they are going >to release any new material (an album) before the start of the tour ? on past performance i'd say none. >The way I see it there are two possibilities: > >A) They are going to tour with a "greatest hits" show plus maybe one >or two new tracks. They can use the tour to get publicity etc. and >then release the new material. Or... probably. then back to Europe to release a new album, do the usual publicity, then a European tour to promote the album properly. yeah, i wish... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) LA Gig Date: 20 Apr 1998 09:51:12 -0700 Craig Land sez: >For those that are going to the LA gig, I am wondering what there is to do in LA after the gig?< YES! The Kontrol Faktory. I'm waiting for details. Seriously- a KW After-Party is IN the WERKs! Damn- I'm not supposed to say anything until things are certain, but, PLEASE hang tight. As soon as I know, I'll broadcast info. I'm bursting to blab, but, *MEOW*, I can't let the Kitty ALL the way out of the bag just yet.... I don't even know the Address! >Just a pity I will be missing the Numan gig in LA on the 19 May by three days!!!< So, come over 3 days EARLIER!! :]]]] ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) www.kraftwerk.ch Date: 20 Apr 1998 19:21:54 +0200 On 20-Apr-98 A.D., Andreas Schepers carved the following runes about "(kw) www.kraftwerk.ch": > chek this out http://www.kraftwerk.ch I think they should be spending more time on composing. At least I know what tools I'll buy from now on... "Ve haff ze tools zu make zis werk" -- E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: AW: (kw) what? Kraftwerk have new material? *FAINT* Date: 20 Apr 1998 11:33:06 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Jon Alsbury wrote: > >I listen to lots of stuff besides KW. I even have a few > albums of stuff I > >like better than KW, but I still think KW are the best > group in the world > >and that they paved the way for a lot of modern music. > > Undoubtedly they paved the way for a lot of modern music, > but as much as I love them, personally I don't think KW even > come *close* to being the 'best' group in the world. We'll > have to agree to disagree! :) I can live with that. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) LA Gig Date: 20 Apr 1998 21:02:52 +0000 Craig Land wrote: > > For those that are going to the LA gig, I am wondering what there is to do > in LA after the gig? Drive straight to Mexico in desperate search of the real life... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Free Tibet Festival in Washington, DC Date: 20 Apr 1998 21:05:45 +0000 SGT Norman Hopper wrote: > > A friend of mine, Kurt Harland (Information Society); and yes I do > know him, told me he worked with Kraftwerk member Karl Bartos on one > song from Information Society's P&L, Inc. album and Kurt said Ralf and > Florian were into music making as more or less a hobby, and that they > were wealthy German boys who weren't dependant on the money they make > from their albums, Yep, this rumour has been around for many many years... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) www.kraftwerk.ch Date: 20 Apr 1998 21:09:51 +0000 Andreas Schepers wrote: > > hi werkers, > > chek this out http://www.kraftwerk.ch Obviously, this is the sleeve for the new album, with the list of songs below... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) New album release before tour ? Date: 20 Apr 1998 21:24:32 +0000 Klaus Olsen wrote: > > The Kraftwerk tour start in june - what are the chances they are going > to release any new material (an album) before the start of the tour ? > > The way I see it there are two possibilities: (SNIP) I see a third possibility : they forget their "greatest hits" and the "never-to-be-released" hypothetical new album, and in every gig they deliver some free and de-structured electronic improvisations, and they invite the audience to bootleg the show and sample it for further compositions of their own... 50 or 100 people among the audience are choosen at random according to their ticket number (the random choice is made by some random generator of the KK studio, and the ticket numbers are announced by the vocoder), and those people receive a free CD full of previously unreleased samples and loops from the KK studio... The will also welcome on stage some main figures of the local techno / experimental scene of each city visited by the tour, to improvise with them... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) Hotstuff... Date: 20 Apr 1998 20:31:37 +0100 jbv wrote: >Please forget what I said about Hotsuff before : they have just >confirmed my order (it took them almost 3 weeks, pretty slow)... three weeks huh? that's really not too bad - it beats waiting twelve years, that's for sure... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EJRSemiGod Subject: Re: (kw) www.kraftwerk.ch Date: 20 Apr 1998 15:47:27 EDT In a message dated 98-04-20 15:12:33 EDT, jbv.silences@wanadoo.fr writes: << Obviously, this is the sleeve for the new album, with the list of songs below... >> That would be HILARIOUS! KRAFTWERK: The TOOL Album. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) New album release before tour ? Date: 20 Apr 1998 20:45:21 -0700 Klaus wrote: >A) They are going to tour with a "greatest hits" show plus maybe one=20 or two new tracks. They can use the tour to get publicity etc. and=20 then release the new material. Or... B) Do a show based around the new album but including some af the old classics. If they do this it would be natural to release the album before the start of tour to give the audience a chance to get familliar = with the new material. < Another possibility was suggested to me by the DJ in 'The Office', = London, on Sat night. The new album is a mess and can't be released. As = a stop gap a new Kraftwerk package consisting of The Mix 2 and the = previously shelved album 'Technopop' will be released. The forthcoming = tour will promote this. NOTE: THIS IS AN UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMOUR. MODE.123 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Mouse on Mars in Wien Date: 20 Apr 1998 23:21:10 +0200 Mouse on Mars played last Friday in the "Flex" in Vienna. Unfortunately I couldn't visit the concert, 'cause there were just one announcement in the news which I found today, so I red over it. Bye, Georgie -- *********************** Georg Jajus (Vienna) ********************** * Internet: http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * * Mail: a9401326@unet.univie.ac.at or Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at * ************** "In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcafe..." *************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk mentioned by Herbert Groenemeyer Date: 20 Apr 1998 23:13:59 +0200 There was just an interview with the german singer Herbert Groenemeyer in the austrian TV-culture magazine "Treffpunkt Kultur". At the end of the interview he mentioned Falco and Kraftwerk as the only two german interpreters, who had worldwide sucess and acknowledgement with "deutscher Sprache". Bye, Georgie -- *********************** Georg Jajus (Vienna) ********************** * Internet: http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * * Mail: a9401326@unet.univie.ac.at or Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at * ************** "In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcafe..." *************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: (kw) Re: apology to the list for outburst (no kw content) Date: 20 Apr 1998 20:37:44 EDT i want to take this opportunity to apologize to the members of this list for my most illiterate outburst of yesterday...a special apology goes to the gentleman who it was directed at.... tom w np: pay it all back vol. 4 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) www.kraftwerk.ch Date: 20 Apr 1998 23:29:36 -0300 Great!! I think these guys are in the right way: not more at music busines, but Tool Sellers!!! One socket, two wrenches and five pliers are much better than waiting twelve years for a song... Or DRUCKLUFTWERKZEUGE is the name of the Luton song, Industrie-Druckluft-Schlagschrauber for the First ZKM song and Profi-Trapezmesser for the second one? regards from checz Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) www.kraftwerk.ch Date: 21 Apr 1998 05:58:08 +0200 On 21-Apr-98 A.D., tg97 carved the following runes about "(kw) www.kraftwerk.ch": > Or DRUCKLUFTWERKZEUGE is the name of the Luton song, Einst=FCrzende Neubauten beware! --=20 E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) KW & INSOC Date: 21 Apr 1998 01:38:35 -0400 >>> A friend of mine, Kurt Harland (Information Society); and yes I do know him, told me he worked with Kraftwerk member Karl Bartos on one song from Information Society's P&L, Inc. album and Kurt said Ralf and Florian were into music making as more or less a hobby, and that they were wealthy German boys who weren't dependant on the money they make from their albums, so maybe that is a contributing factor to their slowness in album production. <<< If this is the case (about INSOC, that is), why were they so dumb they left Tommy Boy, the greatest of all the Warner Bros. labels, and move to that cesspool known as Cleopatra, which is down there with No Limit Records and the worst graphic art in the history of recorded music? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: (kw) 8-track-albums Date: 21 Apr 1998 11:08:44 +0200 hi, if anybody is interested in kraftwerk us-8-track-albums, e-mail me private. regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Tour rumour update Date: 21 Apr 1998 13:06:23 +0000 There's a rumour circulating that the usual anonymous "very reliable sources close to the band" have stated that Kraftwerk are planning to do a European tour in 1999, or, if not a full tour, then at least a concert in Duesseldorf. (Yes, this is really just a rumour, and no, I can't back it up! ;-) ) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Tour rumour update Date: 21 Apr 1998 12:16:39 +0100 Klaus wrote: >There's a rumour circulating that the usual anonymous "very reliable >sources close to the band" have stated that Kraftwerk are planning to >do a European tour in 1999, or, if not a full tour, then at least a >concert in Duesseldorf. >(Yes, this is really just a rumour, and no, I can't back it up! ;-) ) yes, that makes sense - but we'll just have to wait and see... :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: AW: (kw) what? Kraftwerk have new material? *FAINT* Date: 20 Apr 1998 04:45:48 +0100 >> Tom W wrote: >> >"vastly better than the majority of other music being made at any time in >> >recorded history"? talking about subjective...but again, doesnt anyone >> >here listen to anything else besides KW? i think if you did, ud mute >> >considerably these types of comments... I wrote the original mail and I still stand by it. Kraftwerk are more original than the vast majority of other bands in recording history (just listen to any pub band if you doubt that). However they are extremely lazy. At the moment I am listening to bands from almost all genres apart from folk and reggae and I can state Kraftwerk are perhaps the most visionary of them all. All music is emotive, and therefore we cannot objectively judge it by a list of ingredients (vocals? check, drums? check, etc..) but Kraftwerk do seem to have helped a new musical style evolve throughout the early 70's. -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Halldin" Subject: RE: (kw) New album release before tour ? Date: 21 Apr 1998 02:05:46 PDT Yesterday I spoke to a guy at Swedish EMI and he told me that a new Kraftwerk album is scheduled for this spring. But this information is not to be trusted because last year the record company was told (or made up) that there should be an album release in the end of -97, and we all know what happened with that. Nothing. EMI has also not got anything to do with KW:s upcoming "world tour". They were not informed until after the dates had been official. But one thing they do know is that KW will not be giving any interviews when touring. So let's hope for a good album in the end of -98... /Martin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Halldin" Subject: RE: (kw) New album release before tour ? Date: 21 Apr 1998 05:15:49 PDT Yesterday I spoke to a guy at Swedish EMI and he told me that a new Kraftwerk album is scheduled for this spring. But this information is not to be trusted because last year the record company was told (or made up) that there should be an album release in the end of -97, and we all know what happened with that. Nothing. EMI has also not got anything to do with KW:s upcoming "world tour". They were not informed until after the dates had been official. But one thing they do know is that KW will not be giving any interviews when touring. So let's hope for a good album in the end of -98... /Martin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Gross Subject: (kw) re: www.kraftwerk.ch Date: 21 Apr 1998 10:13:12 -0400 Selling advanced hardware to the Chinese, eh? Whatta bunch of tools... (rimshot) ____________ Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com, cgross@harris-pub.com, golem14@hotmail.com) UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility/ Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: Re: (kw) re: www.kraftwerk.ch Date: 21 Apr 1998 18:37:25 +0200 > Selling advanced hardware to the Chinese, eh? Whatta bunch of tools... Chinese?! do you mean .ch ? It's Swiss, as Chinese servers are .cn The curious thing is that this firm seems also to have registered KRAFTWERK as a trademark (R)... anyway all these tools could be a funny merchandise items. Tim. -- Timour JGENTI | Institut Francais du Petrole _______________|___________________________________ _______________| mailto:timour.jgenti@ifp.fr _______________| http://www.mygale.org/~timlcf/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) www.kraftwerk.ch Date: 21 Apr 1998 17:33:20 +0000 At 7:21 pm +0200 20/4/98, Emanuel Mair wrote: >I think they should be spending more time on composing. >At least I know what tools I'll buy from now on... >"Ve haff ze tools zu make zis werk" A few years ago a short-lived television advertising campaign for Black & Decker tools used Kraftwerk samples. Er, interestingly enough... K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) re: www.kraftwerk.ch Date: 21 Apr 1998 21:31:20 +0000 Timour JGENTI wrote: > > The curious thing is that this firm seems also to have registered KRAFTWERK > as a trademark (R)... That's not curious at all : trademarks are usually registered according to different fields of activities - and I doubt that KW registered their name for any possible field... Only musical and related activities I guess... Therefore, it would be fun to register under the name of KW a company that manufactures and/or sells equipents for powerplants... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) re: www.kraftwerk.ch Date: 21 Apr 1998 19:33:36 +0100 > The curious thing is that this firm seems also to have registered KRAFTWERK > well, maybe only for a nation they can... > as a trademark (R)... anyway all these tools could be a funny merchandise > items. my God yes!!! have you seen the pages with the images of the instruments! some are actually branded Kraftwerk!!! oh my, oh my... something fresh to buy at last!!! :-) just think if they give away promotional t-shirts or caps... :-))) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Gross Subject: (kw) Apologies to Switzerland Date: 21 Apr 1998 13:25:11 -0400 >Chinese?! do you mean .ch ? It's Swiss, as Chinese servers are .cn Just realized that after mailing the message! REVISED EDITION: Selling advanced hardware to the Swiss, eh? Whatta bunch of tools... (It would be like carrying coals to Newcastle... works either way :-)) ____________ Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com, cgross@harris-pub.com, golem14@hotmail.com) UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility/ Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) re: www.kraftwerk.ch/Hotels SF & LA Date: 21 Apr 1998 13:15:47 -0700 Yeah, I mentioned the KW Tools a long time ago. Speaking of funny KRAFTWERK Company names, I ran across a "KRAFTWERK K-9 Kamp" a while back -(also mentioned)-, dealing with breeding German Shepherds. Schäferhunder! Schöne! Okaaayyyy.... Ah-HA! It's still there on YAHOO: http://www.dogzone.com/dogs/curry/curry.htm Ofcourse, there's also "Mountain Kraftwerks"- wooden toys and crafts. http://www.zelacom.com/~fcapuano/ These guys are 401.... remember this company? http://www.kraftwerk.co.at/kraftwerk/ -(OBJECT NOT FOUND)- -(Detecting Carbon Monoxide Emissions? On the AUTOBAHN, maybe?)- I like the KRAFTWERK Tools, and doggies are nice, too. I should get 4 German Shepherds- guess what I'd name 'em?*HeeHee*! -(Okay, 6, so I can include Fritz & Henning: "Here, Fritz! Here, Ralf! Kommst Du! Florian! Go FETCH!")- Okay- Who wants to share room/s at the Holiday Inn, Civic Center, San Fagsisco? -(Yes, my gay friends call it that!)- There's a WeekEnd deal for $139 for 4 persons. That's $40 apiece. Not bad. Getting 2 or 3 adjoining rooms would be nice and convenient. Holiday Inn Civic Center 50 Eigth Street San Fransisco, CA, 94103 The Warfield is at 982 Market Street. -(BAD neighborhood. Civic Center ain't much better.)- I'm also checking out Holiday Inns in Los Angeleeze/Hollyweed. 'Nothing close to the Palladium. Try another chain.... ps: I'm still waiting to hear details about The Kontrol Faktory- somewhere in L.A. Later! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: (kw) TICKETS FOR DETROIT SHOW ON SALE! Date: 21 Apr 1998 20:49:03 -0700 (PDT) I taled to the STATE THEATER today and tickets for the JUNE 11th Show go on sale SATURDAY April 26 th !!!! All seats are GENERAL ADMISSION! I will Be burning down the TicketMaster Phone lines to get mine !!! You can reach the STATE THEATER directly : www.statetheater.com (313)961-5450 TicketMaster of Michigan (248)645-6666 I will Be attending !!!!!!!!! Eric Knight ericknig@sprynet.com ***************************************** * Laugh, and the World Laughs with you, * * Fart, and everyone Leaves! * * * * ericknig@sprynet.com * ***************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sgt.norman.hopper@wrsmtp-ccmail.army.mil (SGT Norman Hopper) Subject: (kw) Free Tibet Festival Tickets Date: 21 Apr 1998 14:38:32 -0400 Does anyone know when the tickets go on sale for the Free Tibet Festival in Washington, DC? Ticketmaster, ProTix ? Who sells them? Norman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christoph Marquardt" Subject: RE: (kw) re: www.kraftwerk.ch/Hotels SF & LA Date: 22 Apr 1998 17:02:36 +0200 'lo Werkers, > Ah-HA! It's still there on YAHOO: > http://www.dogzone.com/dogs/curry/curry.htm > > Ofcourse, there's also "Mountain Kraftwerks"- wooden toys and crafts. > http://www.zelacom.com/~fcapuano/ > > These guys are 401.... remember this company? > http://www.kraftwerk.co.at/kraftwerk/ -(OBJECT NOT FOUND)- > -(Detecting Carbon Monoxide Emissions? On the AUTOBAHN, maybe?)- Here's some more "fake" Kraftwerks that I found in Germany: A club (Verein): http://downtown.imedia.de/kraftwerk/ A techno club: http://www.kraftwerk-club.de/ ... and much more stuff that's more power plant related ... dig out your German and check out http://web.de/, search for Kraftwerk and see how flooded the German web is with this word :) > I like the KRAFTWERK Tools, and doggies are nice, too. I should get 4 > German Shepherds- guess what I'd name 'em?*HeeHee*! -(Okay, 6, so I > can include Fritz & Henning: "Here, Fritz! Here, Ralf! Kommst Du! > Florian! Go FETCH!")- I've got an american colleague who's Rottweiler dog is called "Rainer der Metzgerhund" :) ... okay, not very KW related but another funny name for a dog (at least from my German point of view *grin*) Happy werkin' Krrristophnik PS: ROBOT, do you track signups for the hotel on a list? I can periodically post it to my SF-Konzert-web @ http://fl.mud.de/nubui/kwsf/ ... according to what the Holiday Inn reservation told me they have less than 9 of those 4 people rooms left for the time in question so we should get that going as fast as possible) I'll post a separate message about that to the list. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christoph Marquardt" Subject: (kw) Hotel Room Sharing in SF - Web Page available! Date: 22 Apr 1998 17:48:27 +0200 Fellow Werkers, ROBOT already mentioned it, we plan to share hotel rooms during the SF Konzert weekend for the most fun (and the best price). If you're interested in sharing a hotel room for the Konzert, please visit http://fl.mud.de/nubui/kwsf/ This web also contains other information like: * Warfield Zoom (a zoomable map that shows you the location) * The Venue (more information about the Warfield Theatre) * Links (links to other sites, e.g. the Kraftwerk Konvoy) Christoph (aka nubui aka Krrristophnik) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) re: www.kraftwerk.ch/Hotels SF & LA Date: 22 Apr 1998 11:22:59 -0700 Christoph Marquardt sez: >dig out your German and check out http://web.de/, search for Kraftwerk and see how flooded the German web is with this word :)< Yeah, even the Simpsons! Homer WERKs in a KRAFTWERK/Powerplant! D'OH! >PS: ROBOT, do you track signups for the hotel on a list? I can periodically post it to my SF-Konzert-web @< http://fl.mud.de/nubui/kwsf/ 10-4! I've got more time on my hands than Christoph does, so, y'all can Email me, or CC us both, and I'll keep checking this page as well as the Konvoy List. As soon as atleast 4 people confirm for San Fransisco, one of us can call and make a reservation. Rooms are going FAST! I'll look for an alternate Hotel just in case the Holiday Inn at Civic Center gets filled up- but, this seems like the best deal so far for a fairly nice place to stay that's close to the Warfield. -(BAD neighborhood!)- I'm still not sure about Hotels in Los Angeles/Hollywood near the Palladium. -(Another BAD neighborhood.)- Time's a-wastin'! Well- it's Wednesday. Hopefully Ticketmaster will have KRAFTWERK info in their DataBase real soon. Tickets on sale this Saturday, Apr 25th, at NooN Pacific Daylight Time. http://www.ticketmaster.com/ Ticket Info: 213 480-3232/0 For the L.A. Palladium gig June 8 Promoter, Golden Voice: 213 851-7441 The Hollywood Palladium Business Office: 213 962-7600 6216 Sunset Blvd, Hollywood, CA 90028-8704 -------- Info for The S.F. Warfield show June 7, is a week late, apparently.... http://www.basstickets.com/ Ticket Info: 510 762- 2277 -(BASS)- on sale Sunday May 3, 10am PDT The Warfield Theater, 982 Market St, San Fransisco, CA, 94102-4012 -(Mail: Box# 429094, S.F, CA, 94142-9094)- Business Office: 415 567-2060 Recorded Bus & Parking Info: 415 775-9949 Recorded Event Info:415 775-7722 -------- I hope the phone lines can stand the overload- don't everybody call at once!*HeeHee*! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) re: L.A. gig After-Party at Kontrol Faktory Date: 22 Apr 1998 11:55:55 -0700 From Mike Hell, rivethed@kontrol.net -(He runs the Rivethed Mail List, and it's his Klub.)- >Kontrol Faktory is at 836 N Highland, just a few miles (if that) from the Palladium. The Palladium has this weird city ordinance thing where they HAVE to be closed by something like 11:00pm, so obviously you'll all need somewhere to go afterwards. ...and there's not really too much happening on Mondays besides KF.< >We'll be doing some sort of KW party at KF that night, 'might not be an "official" party but it will be a KW party. I had the DJs start to play more KW, and it's going over quite well.< EXcellent!! So, we have a place to go after the Konzert! -(Industrial, even!)- The show is supposedly 8-10pm, so, that'll WERK nicely! Okay, I didn't want to get anyone's hopes up, but- Mike had said earlier that he wants to invite the band members. -!!!!- It's a slim-to-none chance that they'll show up, but, he did say he would TRY. Don't hold your breath, but, who knows? From what I read on the Rivethed List, Kontrol Faktory is a small-(?)- place with usually a small crowd, so, it wouldn't be "intimidating" for the boys if they DO kindly akzept Mike's invite. -(It would be a lovely Miracle!)- That's all I dare say for now. Keep chill.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) VH-1 "My Generation" Game Show Date: 22 Apr 1998 23:51:16 -0700 Talk about starving for KW tidbits on TV.... I seldom watch VH-1, but, I caught this music game show earlier at 8pm PDT called "My Generation". Two teams of two people from different "eras" compete in musical trivia questions. -(Tonight was the class of 1976 vs the class of 1987.)- Okay, near the end of the game, they show the names of two bands/artists, and the contestants identify which country they're from: Little River Band/Midnight Oil- Australia. Rod Stewart/can't remember who else- Scotland. -(Scotland?? I thought he was English.)- Then they showed KRAFTWERK/Milli Vanilli- Germany! YEAH! That was a nice little surprise! I had a feeling they'd have a KW question. The listings show "My Generation" on again at 1am PDT. Maybe it'll be the same episode. Maybe not. Anyway, I'm going to start watching it more often! -(And I'll forgive my husband for running the dishwasher at 8pm and delaying my bath!*HeeHee*! Otherwise I would've missed it.)- Also, I saw a very brief ad saying that VH-1 will start showing The Best of The Midnight Special again starting this Monday, I think. I've never seen the episode with KW playing AUTOBAHN. -(Hosted by Helen Reddy & Billy Chrystal, according to AKTIVITÄT- or wherever I read the Article. Maybe here on the List.)- Watch your local TV listings! Gee- how come the List is so QUIET these days? June is getting closer! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Hotel Room Sharing in SF - Web Page available! Date: 23 Apr 1998 09:18:51 +0100 Christoph Marquardt wrote: > > Christoph (aka nubui aka Krrristophnik) > Ahh, so you are the mysterious nubui who has recently appeared on the IRC channel? -- ciao, Jules Seifert Kraftwerk IRC Pages :- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ# :- 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) VH-1 "My Generation" Game Show Date: 23 Apr 1998 09:23:09 +0100 ROBOT wrote: > > Rod Stewart/can't remember who else- Scotland. -(Scotland?? I thought he > was English.) grrrrrrrr........ -- ciao, Jules Seifert Kraftwerk IRC Pages :- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ# :- 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joarg@hsr.no (Joar Grimstvedt) Subject: Re: (kw) VH-1 "My Generation" Game Show Date: 23 Apr 1998 12:09:34 +0200 On Apr 22, 11:51pm, "ROBOT" wrote: > 1976 vs the class of 1987.)- Okay, near the end of the game, they show > the names of two bands/artists, and the contestants identify which > country they're from: Little River Band/Midnight Oil- Australia. Rod > Stewart/can't remember who else- Scotland. -(Scotland?? I thought he > was English.)- Then they showed KRAFTWERK/Milli Vanilli- Germany! Last year there's was a Nordic music trivia contest called Pickup. In one of the rounds, one question was: "In what band did Florian Schneider play?". The team had no problem with that. (Actually, the contestants said something to the effect of "he's still there, Kraftwerk are still in the business".) And if I'm not mistaken, a couple of questions later, there was a question about Milli Vanilli. There is a link between them, it seems. :) Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt, joarg@hsr.no /// WWW: Enigma/Sandra http://www.five.no/joarg/ /// Eschew obfuscation. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) VH-1 "My Generation" Game Show Date: 23 Apr 1998 11:41:48 +0100 Joar Grimstvedt wrote: > > And if I'm not mistaken, a couple of questions later, > there was a question about Milli Vanilli. There is a link between them, > it seems. :) hmmm, maybe kraftwerk don't actually sing on their records, or did milli vanilli have some robots dsing for them? ;-) -- ciao, Jules Seifert Kraftwerk IRC Pages :- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ# :- 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: (kw) Sort of off topic... Date: 23 Apr 1998 11:16:21 -0400 I have been trying for several years (unsucessfully)...maybe there's someone here who can help. I'm trying to find someone who is fluent in English and German. I have a song here titled "Foreign Novelty Smash" by The Credibility Gap. This was a German version of another song they did. Here's the strange part: None of the band members speak German. They went to a German/English phrase book, and found phrases that fit the meter of the song. It was not a requirement that the resulting song had to make sense. Consequently, the translation probably will not make much sense either. I don't make sense at times, so it all fits. The pronounciation seems to be good. What I would like to do is to E-Mail it in .WAV format to someone who could listen to it, and write me back with an English translation. Thanks to the Internet, it could be someone almost anywhere in the world, as long as your web browser can handle file attaches. I will be sending it from my other address (huggy_bear@ameritech.net), as Juno cannot handle file attaches (or foreign characters, for that matter). Thanks in advance, Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com FidoNet 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 LifestylesNet 66:1810/101 ICQ UIN 7298861 np: John Foxx - The Noise _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) "Licht- Tontechnik" Date: 23 Apr 1998 17:56:12 +0200 Check this out: http://www.kraftwerk.at Bye, georgie -- *********************** Georg Jajus (Vienna) ********************** * Internet: http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * * Mail: a9401326@unet.univie.ac.at or Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at * ************** "In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcafe..." *************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) VH-1 "My Generation" Game Show Date: 23 Apr 1998 11:36:52 -0400 On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:09:34 +0200 joarg@hsr.no (Joar Grimstvedt) writes: >there was a question about Milli Vanilli. There is a link between >them, it seems. :) I still have one question that has never been answered to my satisfaction: If Milli Vanilli was in the forest and a tree fell on them, who would make the noise? on a totally unrelated subject... I just thought - "coming out of the closet" would have a totally different meaning if you were in England or the USA, wouldn't it? I've got to get out of here... Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com FidoNet 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 LifestylesNet 66:1810/101 ICQ UIN 7298861 np: Alice Cooper - Go To Hell _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Oehler" Subject: (kw) Re: INSOC Date: 23 Apr 1998 11:37:09 -0500 > >If this is the case (about INSOC, that is), why were they so dumb they >left Tommy Boy, the greatest of all the Warner Bros. labels, and move to >that cesspool known as Cleopatra, which is down there with No Limit >Records and the worst graphic art in the history of recorded music? >Peace. Why? Because after P&LI, Insoc effectively broke up. Paul Robb and James Cassidy both went their separate ways (Paul founding the excellent projects Think Tank and Brother Sun Sister Moon) and Kurt was left wtih no contract, the insoc name, and a penchant for goth/industrial music. So he started making some, and Cleo, being a repository for lots of goth/industrial bands who used to be famous but had their contratcs run out, picked him up. I dunno if there was anywhere else he could go, really. As for the art...well, there's no excuse for Cleo's choices in artwork... ---- Eric Oehler http://www.itis.com/~wonko wonko@itis.com Finger for PGP key By pressing down this special key, it plays a little melody # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) VH-1 "My Generation" Game Show Date: 23 Apr 1998 10:55:01 -0700 Compiling a few one-liners: So-and-so said such-and-such.... -(From "Cheater")- >i saw the show too, coool. im still waiting for a DEVO question, then my life will be complete...< You mean they HAVEN'T had a DEVO question?? They SHOULD. Keep watching! :] -(From the clueless ROBOT)- >Rod Stewart/can't remember who else- Scotland. -(Scotland?? I thought he was English.)< -(Jules sez)- grrrrrrrr........ sorry, Jules. [ROBOT hangs her head in shame.] I'm a yank. Have pity. -(Another 'gem' from 'Jewels': ;] ROBOWINKY)- hmmm, maybe kraftwerk don't actually sing on their records, or did milli vanilli have some robots sing for them? ;-) Lip synch? Hm-m-m.... -(Not to be confused with "Funky Town")- Joar Grimstvedt mentioned: >....if I'm not mistaken, a couple of questions later, there was a question about Milli Vanilli. There is a link between them, it seems. :)< -(Yeah, I can't remember what the question was.)- *ACK* A Milli Vanilli/KRAFTWERK connection?!! God, I hope not! -(aside from both being from Germany)- Rob Pilatus ODed, for cryin' out loud! First him -(eh)-, then Tammy Wynette -(eh)-, and then Wendy Orlean Williams- The PLASMATCS.*sob*. HER, I liked! Mohawk Goddess! Bill Dobiesz sez: >If Milli Vanilli was in the forest and a tree fell on them, who would make the noise?< *HeeHee* Make it a Redwood tree -right here in HumBUD County! The spotted owls and squirrels and raccoons, etc, would make the noise- not to mention all the Earth Firsters camping in the trees, ruining -(with their wastes)- the very environment they claim to be saving. go figure. TIMMMM-BERRRR! -(Coldcut! KooL video/tune!)- cripes- what's this world coming to? ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: (kw) Re: KW in the American Press Date: 23 Apr 1998 14:31:01 EDT from THE POP LIFE column by Neil Strauss (New York Times 04.23.98) A Time for Reunion Two seminal European bands that each practically singlehandedly pioneered a genre of music will most likely reunite for their first American tours since breaking up. Kraftwerk, the German electronic group whose robot-and-machine obsessed music resulted in techno and heavily influenced disco and early rap, will be on its first American tour in 17 years this summer. On its six-date tour, the band will perform at the Hammerstein Ballroom in Manhattan on June 13 and as part of the Tibetan Freedom Concert in Washington on June 14. The band, which will return in 1999 for a full tour, features two of its original members, Ralf Hutter and Florian Schneider, and judging by the band's first reunion show in England last summer, not much in their minimal, thought-provoking multimedia performance has changed. A spokeswoman for the band said that there was no word on whether Kraftwerk would release a new record. (article goes on to talk about a bauhaus reunion) tom w np: clash in nyc 1982 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: Re: (kw) "Licht- Tontechnik" Date: 23 Apr 1998 21:15:10 +0000 On 23 Apr 98 at 17:56, Georg Jajus wrote: > > Check this out: > > http://www.kraftwerk.at > and if you examine the source code you'll find this:

Kraftwerk GmbH & Co.KG
4600 Wels / AUSTRIA
Phone: +43/7242/69269-0
email: entertainment@kraftwerk.at
 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) KW Data on ticketmaster.com!!!! Date: 23 Apr 1998 12:23:18 -0700 *WHOA* Looky what I found!! KRAFTWERK Data Alert!*WhooOOP-WhooOOP*! http://205.132.175.224/cgi/events/tmquery.idq?CiRestriction=kraftwerk They list the L.A. and Detroit shows! :]]]] -(Main Page- Search KRAFTWERK)- http://www.ticketmaster.com/ *YIPPEE* I'm gonna call 'em a bit later for more details.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Martin Subject: (kw) an introduction of sorts Date: 23 Apr 1998 12:21:51 -0700 Hello, my name is Kevin and I am a follower of Kraftwerk who lives in Los Angeles. I am new to the list, having joined after the exciting news that Kraftwerk will be performing in San Francisco and Los Angeles soon. I saw Kraftwerk perform once before, in Chicago in the 1980s and will never miss an opportunity to see them when possible. I plan to attend both West Coast appearances. It has been disappointing that Kraftwerk have not released any new music in more than 12 years, and, of course, that "Technopop" and "Tour de France" were never released. But I am hopeful that the band will be re-energized by their tour dates. I want to respond to a post regarding the group "Credibility Gap" and their 45 "Foreign Novelty Smash." Credibility Gap were an improvisational comedy group based in Los Angeles in the late 1960s and 1970s. They were very popular among college age audiences at that time. Their lasting claim to fame is that they gave Harry Shearer his first professional experience. For those who don't know, Harry Shearer was a founding member of Spinal Tap, performs many of the voices on "The Simpsons," and is the host of the syndicated radio show titled "Le Show." I am not familiar with the 45 "Foreign Novelty Smash," but I am sure it's a comic parody of German rock'n' roll. P.S. If anyone has questions about Los Angeles relating to the Kraftwerk concert, I'll be glad to try to help. (For instance, the Palladium is NOT in a terribly bad area of Los Angeles. It's near many restaurants and hotels and is a high traffic area.) kjm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Johnson, Keith" Subject: (kw) KW tour info: LA (WITH CHANGES!) Date: 23 Apr 1998 13:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Hello fellow KW-fans! A replay of the detailed information on the LA show is below. Most of this information has been sent (by me and others) before, here it serves as a reminder. BUT ..... Look CAREFULLY at the TICKET INFORMATION section. A MAJOR CHANGE (along with an explanation) is there!!! k r a f t w e r k i n l o s a n g e l e s Monday, June 8, 1998 doors open 6:30 pm show begins approx 8:00 pm show must be finished by 11:00pm There is no opening act. Hollywood Palladium 6215 Sunset Boulevard, Hollywood, CA 90028-8704 (on Sunset, one block east of Vine, two blocks west of Gower) www.ticketmaster.com/venue/LA1/66/ (has some nice basic info) 213 - 962 - 7600 business office CAPACITY/SEATS: 3500 people. No seats, standing room only, except for "VIP Balcony" (generally reserved for use by promoter, label, band, etc.) (The following is from http://www.casenet.com/concert/palladium.htm): [In the 1940's...] The 11,000 square foot oval dance floor was the place to be. Tattered around the edges it still hosts some great concerts. (Thanks to Casenet for this info. Website by Alan Case acase@casente.com, updated May 20, 1997.) PROMOTER: Golden Voice 213-851-7441 www.goldenvoice.com TICKET INFORMATION: Tickets will be available through Ticketmaster 213-480-3232/0 (no 800 number for out of area) Tickets go on sale Friday, April 24, 1998 at 12:00 Noon Pacific Time Cost: $29.00 general admission Extra charges: $5.00/ticket - service fee over phone, at an outlet slightly lower $1.50/ticket - facilities fee $3.00/order - over the phone order charge www.ticketmaster.com (http://205.132.175.224/cgi/events/tmquery.idq?CiRestriction=kraftwerk) will get on-line ordering information. (Thanks ROBOT!) Has on-line ordering; Goldenvoice and Ticketmaster both state tickets will go on sale on-line AT THE SAME TIME as over the phone. The Los Angeles number is the only phone order line, out of California Ticketmaster agencies will not have access to tickets. "THE STORY" The following is as told to me by the nice lady in Promotions at GoldenVoice. The printed ad for the show, which went into the LA WEEKLY magazine (a weekly city-oriented magazine focusing on music) listed tickets going on sale on FRIDAY. This information was wrong (they should go on sale SATURDAY), but was not caught. [Instead of the ad copy being sent by LA WEEKLY to the promotor (GoldenVoice) for approval and accuracy check, band management insisted the copy go straight to them for approval. Band management didn't catch the ticket sale date error and GoldenVoice never saw the ad before it was printed.] So now GoldenVoice has a problem. The RADIO ads say SATURDAY at NOON. The PRINT ads in LA WEEKLY say FRIDAY at NOON. So Goldenvoice decided to start ticket sales in outlets, over the phone, and on the internet on FRIDAY at NOON PACIFIC TIME. (This all happened about 11:00am Wed 4/23) All the tickets will go on sale, none will be held back, all avenues of ticket purchase will be open at the same time. THE ONLY CHANGE IS THAT TICKETS GO ON SALE 24 HOURS EARLIER THAN ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED, AT NOON PACIFIC TIME ON FRIDAY, APRIL 24, 1998. Have you got that? So, now that I've equipped everyone with the same info, if I end up not getting my own tickets will one of you kind folks offer me a pair of your spares? -Keith Johnson kj@gmnameplate.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour info: LA (WITH CHANGES!) Date: 23 Apr 1998 18:08:41 -0700 Johnson, Keith >"THE STORY" > So now GoldenVoice has a problem. The RADIO ads say SATURDAY at NOON. The PRINT ads in LA WEEKLY say FRIDAY at NOON. So Goldenvoice decided to start ticket sales in outlets, over the phone, and on the internet on FRIDAY at NOON PACIFIC TIME. (This all happened about 11:00am Wed 4/23)< *GASP* I called BOTH Golden Voice and Ticketmaster shortly after 3pm today and asked if there were any changes in the time that tickets go on sale. They BOTH said it was still Saturday at NooN. Well, shit. ONE of us was told WRONG. Okay- to be safe, let's say Friday NooN. TOMORROW. Note: I also called BASS. No info yet. But they DID say that if I'm using Mom's VISA, then SHE has to actually place the order. Ticketmaster isn't worried about security. They said "just give the VISA number", but, I'll ask Mom to make both orders just in case, or call from her house so she can give security info if needed. I'm not taking any chances! They prefer Mastercard, but, they DO accept VISA. -(and American Express, I think it's called.)- *WHEW* Thank you for this very important information, Keith! I was about to post ERRONEOUS info based on what I was told. It's 6pm now- I suppose it's too late to call and ask what's up with all the confusion. I'm liable to get told the wrong stuff all over again.... *sigh* ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour info: LA (WITH CHANGES!) Date: 23 Apr 1998 20:16:25 -0700 CONFIRMED!! I called Ticketmaster at 7pm and talked to a lady about the time discrepancy. She checked and her computer DOES show FRIDAY NOON. More good news! The L.A. tickets are only $25.50 -(plus charges)- instead of $29. I don't know about the other venues.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Henry Krinkle Subject: (kw) Europe Endless Date: 23 Apr 1998 11:42:00 +0600 Hello, I am making a trek over to Europe this summer and I could use some help. I really have no idea about what is worthwhile and what is not. These stupid guidebooks are next to useless. So, I'm asking you of your help. If you live in Europe or have spent any time over there and know of some places that are "can't-miss" or at least worthwhile, then please help me. Especially of interest to me are places of interest to the Kraftwerk fan (i.e.-"Where in Germany is the KlingKlang Studios?":) But, really, i am gonna be travelling throughout Europe for an entire month and would appreciate any pointers and places of interest you can offer. I know that this list has alot of Europeans, so if you can help me out, I beg of you 'werkers, please do so. Thanks a million. Emmett # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timon Marmex Trzepacz Subject: (kw) San Francisco show: Any info? Date: 23 Apr 1998 22:24:29 -0700 Hi there! I've seen the numerous posts here about the LA show, but no info on the San Francisco show which was scheduled to be the day before the LA show in SF's Warfield auditorium. Ticketmaster doesn't list this show either... is it still scheduled? Does anybody know when the tickets go on sale for that one? I was suprised that the LA show's tickets were already going on sale, as last I read, the SF show tickets wouldn't go on sale till the first week of May... Anyone have any info? -- Timon -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) new album: rumours, rumours... Date: 24 Apr 1998 07:21:50 +0200 this time is from a friend of mine: he told me he told with a representative of Emi Italia, and this one told him that the new album is due for sure, but not before and too later than november 98. usual disclaimer: this guy is used to tell stories so maybe it's all fantasies. (Klaus: you know who he is, so be warned... :-) ) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) sonar festival Date: 24 Apr 1998 07:23:46 +0200 sorry for repeating a question, but I also wrote to sonar email address and received no answer. does someone know how much will the ticket for the sonar events cost? maybe someone remember prices from past editions, so to have an idea? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album Date: 24 Apr 1998 07:38:42 +0200 >>1) What if it's crap? if it's Kraftwerk it's not crap. sorry but someone should have to say it. a little fanatism something is due :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Hotstuff Date: 24 Apr 1998 08:45:22 +0200 >> Mind you, be sure to read their terms and conditions of sale, it's like any >> mail order service, you must follow their procedures in order for your order >> to be processed! >What do u mean exactly ? That I'm a newbie ? That I can't read ? >That I need glasses ? That I'm too old ? nooo... not too old, just a late-60's anarcoid kind of guy... :-) while I am here, jbv, could you tell me where did you find the images that I found in twingo's page called live771.jpg and live881.jpg? the first one is the wallpaper of my desktop now... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) re: L.A. gig After-Party at Kontrol Faktory Date: 24 Apr 1998 08:31:47 +0200 >>Kontrol Faktory is at 836 N Highland, just a few miles (if that) from if you search around you should find the home page for this club too. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Tour rumour update Date: 24 Apr 1998 09:52:45 +0000 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > There's a rumour circulating that the usual anonymous "very reliable > sources close to the band" have stated that Kraftwerk are planning to > do a European tour in 1999, or, if not a full tour, then at least a > concert in Duesseldorf. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!! Or may be, after all, they'll just take a walk in the city... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Hotstuff Date: 24 Apr 1998 10:49:48 +0000 lbo wrote: > > while I am here, jbv, could you tell me where did you find the images that > I found in twingo's page called live771.jpg and live881.jpg? > > the first one is the wallpaper of my desktop now... I found them both in various issues of french mag. Rock n' Folk (78 & 91), but they're actually excerpts from a french TV show named Chorus, from oct. 10 1978, in which KW did a promo-set for MM, including RA and The Robots. It was only play-back. I recently managed to get a video copy of that show, and believe it or not, IMHO the imagery of that show looks quite dated (and even ridiculous at times...). In another issue of RnF (#143 - dec 78), there's an article about that Chorus TV show, including some specific anecdotes. Regarding KW, it is said that on their way to Paris they had to face huge delays at the German / French border, because some custom officer could not understand why those guys were traveling with dummies at their images in coffins... Yep, it was pre-Schenguen era... It is also said that the musicians were cold, distant, speaking only german (although they're fluent in french) and it seemed to make the technical crew feel quite unconfortable... It is also said that they arrived in black Mercedes, driven by a german guy with blue hair and all dressed in black leather... The guy who wrote that article says that the hitlerian imagery was obvious... But finally, after recording the set, and just a few minutes before leaving, the 4 boys started to laugh out loud : it seemed that from the beginning they had played a very good joke to the french TV people... Satisfied ? Is the picture still on your computer screen ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Tour rumour update Date: 24 Apr 1998 09:49:20 +0100 Klaus Zaepke wrote: [snip] >> a concert in Duesseldorf. jbv wrote: >Or may be, after all, they'll just take a walk in the city... more likely to just go into a club and start to dance # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Tour rumour update Date: 24 Apr 1998 10:41:37 +0100 Jon Alsbury wrote: > > Klaus Zaepke wrote: > [snip] > >> a concert in Duesseldorf. > > jbv wrote: > >Or may be, after all, they'll just take a walk in the city... > > more likely to just go into a club and start to dance and on their way home, they'll break some glass....... -- ciao, Jules Seifert Kraftwerk IRC Pages :- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ# :- 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) Tour rumour update Date: 24 Apr 1998 19:15:21 +0900 jbv wrote: > Or may be, after all, they'll just take a walk in the city... Morgenspaziergang Tour? 8-)) ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Tour rumour update Date: 24 Apr 1998 11:26:25 +0100 Jon Alsbury wrote: >> more likely to just go into a club and start to dance Jules Seifert wrote: >and on their way home, they'll break some glass....... teen robots out on loose - watch out! "hey-ho, the (neon) lights are flashing! let's go a-shandy bassing!" ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christoph Marquardt" Subject: RE: (kw) Hotel Room Sharing in SF - Web Page available! Date: 24 Apr 1998 17:11:10 +0200 *grin* -- "RAM Disk is not an installation procedure!" - anonymous nubui@bigfoot.com > Christoph Marquardt wrote: > > > > Christoph (aka nubui aka Krrristophnik) > > > > Ahh, so you are the mysterious nubui who has recently appeared on the > IRC channel? > > -- > > > ciao, > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Jules Seifert > > Kraftwerk IRC Pages :- > http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm > > ICQ# :- 7421804 > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Ingersoll Subject: Re: (kw) sonar festival Date: 24 Apr 1998 17:33:57 +0200 This is from last years Sonar page. I'm not sure what the setup is, but it seems a hell of a lot more reasonably priced than the Danish festival. I'm only going to see Kraftwerk. I don't want to have to spend over $100 for a three day fest. If I'm reading this correctly, a general season ticket (I would imagine that is for the whole festival) is approximately $49. Much better than the Danish fest which I believe was at around $170. I just want tickets. Nobody seems to know when they will go on sale. I also e-mailed sonar.com and received no response. SONARCCCB + SONARVILLAGE + SONARMATICA + CHILL OUT SONAR= 1.200 pts per day SONARCLUB = 2.500 pts per nigth General Season-ticket SONAR = 7.500 pts # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: Re: (kw) Tour rumour update Date: 24 Apr 1998 12:30:09 +0200 > > > > more likely to just go into a club and start to dance > > and on their way home, they'll break some glass....... and on our way home, we'll take at least a glass. /aw # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Halldin" Subject: Re: (kw) new album: rumours, rumours... Date: 24 Apr 1998 01:42:51 PDT you wrote: >this time is from a friend of mine: he told me he told with a >representative of Emi Italia, and this one told him that the new album is >due for sure, but not before and too later than november 98. You should have learned by now that a new KW-album is never due for sure... :) /Martin Min hemsida: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8382/intro.htm "I give you my affection and i give you my time, try to get a connection on the telephone line" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Tour rumour update Date: 24 Apr 1998 17:07:57 +0200 On 24-Apr-98 A.D., Jules Seifert carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) Tour rumour update": > Jon Alsbury wrote: >> >> Klaus Zaepke wrote: >> [snip] >>>> a concert in Duesseldorf. >> >> jbv wrote: >>> Or may be, after all, they'll just take a walk in the city... >> >> more likely to just go into a club and start to dance > > and on their way home, they'll break some glass....... In that case they'll be registered in the computers of FBI, Scotland Yard and the Bundeskriminalamt... -- E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: llacost@juno.com (Larry R LaCost Jr.) Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour info: LA (WITH CHANGES!) Date: 24 Apr 1998 12:15:34 -0700 >k r a f t w e r k i n l o s a n g e l e s > Tickets go on sale Friday, April 24, 1998 at 12:00 Noon Pacific Time BOUGHT TICKETS @ 12:01pm Pacific Time!!!!!!!! It's for real................ Larry R. LaCost Jr. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour info: LA (WITH CHANGES!) Date: 24 Apr 1998 17:27:39 -0700 (PDT) ROBOT@humboldt1.comWrote >CONFIRMED!! >I called Ticketmaster at 7pm and talked to a lady about the time >discrepancy. She checked and her computer DOES show FRIDAY NOON. > >More good news! The L.A. tickets are only $25.50 -(plus charges)- >instead of $29. I don't know about the other venues.... Detroit! Here ! Tickets on sale at 10:00am $23.50 per ticket with a additional 2 or 3 bucks for service fee! Detroit Ticketmaster (248)-645-6666! Buy Two, Bring a Friend! I am!! Can't Wait!!!!!!! Eric Knight ***************************************** * Laugh, and the World Laughs with you, * * Fart, and everyone Leaves! * * * * ericknig@sprynet.com * ***************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour info: LA (WITH CHANGES!) Date: 24 Apr 1998 18:36:51 -0700 Larry R LaCost Jr. sez: >BOUGHT TICKETS @ 12:01pm Pacific Time!!!!!!!! >It's for real................ YESS! Praise the MOOG! You beat me by ONE minute!*HeeHee*! I called a few minutes before 12, was on hold for a while, and placed my order at 12:02, with Mom on the other extension giving her VISA info. Total cost: $67.50 for 2 tickets, including all the fees. They're cheaper than expected! Nice surprise! -(Gee- I wonder if there are any L.A. tickets left.)- I was so nervous I couldn't sleep last night! I feel a LOT better now that my tickets are ordered: une por moi, une por mon fraire -pardonez moi if inaccurate spelling. ;] ROBOWINKY Let's hope Sunday June 3 at 10am goes as smoothly as today's transaction. I want 5 seats in the front row/center at the Warfield for myself and a few Fans overseas. -(Still waiting to hear from one guy who wanted 2 tickets.... Was ist los? Bitte schreib' mir!)- Oh- I was told it could take up to 10 days to receive the tickets in the mail. :[ Should I hang on to 'em til we meet up or risk mailing them? -(Email me, guys, okay? Roomshare, etc? NON-Smokers, please! oops- sorry, I should mention I get deathly ill around tobacco.)- ps: That episode of "My Generation" was on again at 1am last night. It was Rod Stewart/The Proclaimers -(????)- from Scotland. So much for curiousity. ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Allen Subject: (kw) Tickets Date: 24 Apr 1998 22:22:14 -0500 Howdy I was trying to get info period on the tickets for the chicago show and ticket master went off on another one of there I dunno what show your talken about bits. They seem to pull this one on me everytime I try to get tickets. Could anyone help me out? Are the tickets on sale yet? Dan Allen Thanks # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: Re: (kw) Tickets, and any St. Louis area KW fans... Date: 24 Apr 1998 22:42:36 -0500 At 10:22 PM 4/24/98 -0500, Dan Allen wrote: >Howdy I was trying to get info period on the tickets for the chicago show >and ticket master went off on another one of there I dunno what show your >talken about bits. They seem to pull this one on me everytime I try to get >tickets. Could anyone help me out? Are the tickets on sale yet? According to http://www.tickets.de/artists/art6.html, tickets for the Chicago show go on sale May 2. The Web page refers one to http://www.ticketmaster.com, but I just checked there, and nada yet (probably will be nothing on ticketmaster.com until the tickets actually go on sale...). At this point, I'm planning to drive from St. Louis to Chicago on the day of the show... crash for the night and leave the following morning (work commitments prevent a longer stay). Any St. Louis/Eastern Missouri/Southern Illinois fan interested in sharing a ride, feel free to e-mail me directly at leonard@inlink.com... We might be able to come to a mutually agreeable arrangement... Best regards, -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) New digest members Date: 24 Apr 1998 19:12:46 -0400 On Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:44:34 +0200 Servando writes: >It appears to me that you know a lot about Simeon, dont you? (also >from your answers to the Mail list).Best regards I wouldn't say that I know a LOT about him...only what I've gleaned from the liner notes, the All-Music guide (www.allmusic.com) and from talking to Simeon himself for a few minutes before the concert. Simeon is very approachable, a very likeable person, a lot like many of my friends. He fondly refers to his Simeon as "junk"...he's a blue collar kind of guy. One I would almost expect to find working in industrial maintenance (like I do). I guess what really intrigues me about him is when their first album came out (remember, I didn't even find out about them until this year) I was 8 years old. I was playing with electronics about that time, and I was able to make wierd noises with signal generators. It used to really annoy my family (especially my sisters)...I told them "someday, someone will make nice music like this." Little did I know, Simeon was doing it at the same time, and annoying his band members until they left, and Silver Apples was what was left over. For me to listen to Silver Apples is in a way, reliving a time of discovery in my own childhood all over again. I see Simeon almost as an older brother in a way...well, a mentor anyway. The pictures of his Simeon look so much like something I would have built...I don't know, can't explain. So, it's just that I'm a fan...I still know a lot more about Kraftwerk than I do Silver Apples, though... Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com FidoNet 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 LifestylesNet 66:1810/101 ICQ UIN 7298861 np: Soft Machine - Out-Bloody-Rageous _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Dangermond" Subject: (kw) San Francisco Tickets Date: 25 Apr 1998 08:03:00 -0700 When do the San Francisco tickets go on sale? This is confusing. Michael # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Martin Subject: (kw) S.F./L.A. tix Date: 25 Apr 1998 10:48:09 -0700 Tickets for the Warfield show go on sale through Bass tickets on Sunday, May 3. (Are they reserved seats, unlike the Palladium general "seating"? -- standing is more like it based on my previous experiences there.) I got my tix for the L.A. show yesterday (Friday) at noon -- hi to the guys in line with me at Tower in Woodland Hills! As of this morning at 10:30 a.m., according to Ticketmaster online, only about 60 tickets have been sold for the L.A. show. What is the story with that? Will Goldenvoice do a radio sponsorship? Take care. Kevin Los Angeles # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) San Francisco Tickets Date: 25 Apr 1998 11:09:23 -0700 Mike Dangermond asks: >When do the San Francisco tickets go on sale? This is confusing. It sure is! The tour dates list says Warfield tickets for June 7 go on sale Sunday May 3 at 10am through BASS outlets, while the Palladium tickets for June 8 were listed as going on sale a week earlier on Sat Apr 25 at NooN. BUT, then there was the discrepancy with printed ads saying Fri Apr 24, so they went on sale a day early. Has anyone in the Bay Area seen any printed ads with a different sale date for the Warfield? Keep this info handy.... BASS Tickets: -(to order by phone)- 510 762-2277 http://www.basstickets.net/ They probably wont have any KW info on line until Wednesday or Thursday. Nice surprise- the price might be a few dollars lower than the $29 that was reported previously- plus fees, ofcourse. -(When I ordered 2 L.A. tickets yesterday, it came to a total of $67.50 -general admission, standing room only. That's $25.50 apiece plus fees. Not bad. Someone said Detroit tickets are even cheaper: $23.50 + fees. I guess it varies according to venue.)- If you can pick up tickets in person at a BASS outlet near you, you'llget off CHEAP. Phone orders cost a bit more, and you have to wait 5-10 days to get 'em in the mail. :[ ROBOPHOOEY -(Curses on Gottschalk's for not opening til 11am on Sundays.*GRRR*. Otherwise I could pick up tickets right here in Eureka.)- It IS reserved seating at The Warfield, so, get 'em while they're HOT!! Yo- I got DIBS on the front row center 5 seats!*HeeHee*! Unless the first row is reserved for "dignitaries". Well, *huff*, I can be "dignified, too, y'know.*primp-priss*. Okay, you know the drill. One more time.... :] The Warfield Theater 982 Market Street San Fransisco, CA 94102-4012 Mail to: P.O. Box# 429094 San Fransisco, CA 94142-9094 Business Office: 415 567-2060 Recorded bus & parking info: 415 775-9949 Recorded event info: 415 775-7722 Check out the KONVOY List! http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/konvoy98/ Room share at the Holiday Inn, Civic Center: http://fl.mud.de/nubui/kwsf/ So far it's just me & Christoph. We need more bodies! I can't afford half of $139 two nights in a row. poverty sucks. :[[[[ I hope to God I can make it to S.F. and L.A. both. I want to meet as many other Fans on the List as possible and share The KRAFTWERK EXPERIENCE!*sigh*! Oooh- I LOVE the sound of that!*shiver*! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The KRAFTWERK EXPERIENCE ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ======Share The VIBE====== ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christoph Marquardt" Subject: (kw) Joni us in San Francisco, save hotel cost ... Date: 25 Apr 1998 20:12:38 +0200 Heya fellow werkers, ROBOT and I are trying to find some more fellow Werkers who answer YES to the following questions: yes no 1. Will you be at the San Francisco Concert? [ ] [ ] yes no 2. Do you want to stay *close* to the [ ] [ ] Warfield Theatre (2 blocks away)? yes no 2. Do you want to save some bucks by sharing [ ] [ ] a hotel room? If you answered all of those questions with *yes, of course* or similar, check out http://fl.mud.de/nubui/kwsf/stuffthem.htm (ROBOT and I are trying to gather people in order to cut down our cost of acommodation)... Contact me (mailto:chrism@bbn.hp.com) or ROBOT (mailto:robot@humboldt1.com) if you're interested. Christoph (aka nubui) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) Sonar festival, anyone? Date: 25 Apr 1998 21:24:04 +0200 I'm still not sure, but I'm considering the idea to go to see K at the Sonar festival in Barcellona this june. if someone else is interested we could organize a euro-convoy? Michael Melzer? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colatina Radio Som Ltda." <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) Videos for trade Date: 25 Apr 1998 16:17:57 -0300 Hi my friends. I have three concerts of the KRAFTWERK on video (England, Belgique and Italy). These shows has recorded at The Mix Tour (91 / 92) Contains the same tracks (Numbers, Computer World, Tour de France, Autobahn, TEE and others) I have japanese compilation (with clips, interviews and rare shows...) These video-tapes are available for duplication (VHS format, NTSC system color). I don`t want money. I prefer trade (swap) for other itens. I want "bootlegs" ( alive, VINIL or CD) If interested, write me !! Eduardo Monteiro 97fm@colatina.com.br COLATINA /ES BRASIL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SR Records Subject: (kw) Detroit Tickets..... Date: 25 Apr 1998 15:31:22 EDT yep - I now have 2 Detroit tickets. My total for two was $54 something - a lot cheaper than I expected........ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robotkl@earthlink.net (KL) Subject: (kw) Re: 7 Date: 25 Apr 1998 15:10:48 -0500 ______________________________________________________ Kevin Lux Official Website: http://www.kevinlux.simplenet.com "7" is now available... ______________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MC3P0 Subject: Re: (kw) Tour rumour update Date: 25 Apr 1998 13:18:37 -0700 > Jon Alsbury wrote: > >> more likely to just go into a club and start to dance > > Jules Seifert wrote: > >and on their way home, they'll break some glass....... > > teen robots out on loose - watch out! "hey-ho, the (neon) lights > are flashing! let's go a-shandy bassing!" ;-) No, no, no, no, no... Ralph and Florian will just go home, maybe curl up in favorite chairs, enjoying a rather strong blend of coffee and perhaps a chapter of Phillip K. Dick. A copy of Giant Robot sits at Ralphs feet, while Florian is going over a Chinese newspaper. The warm hearth is adorned with old-style pictures of friends and family. An unused tabacco pipe is resting on Florians chair arm. The only music is that of the traffic outside and the gentle rain spattering on the windows. RALPH: "You know that Phillip is getting better and better don't you?" FLORIAN:"Minimalism combined with repetition IS tangeble, thus that whole Nelson and Hanson issue... I wonder if those Scots ever realised the absolute horror they might unleash by lending their replicating equipment to Mercury Records?" RALPH: "Heh, Dolly was step one. Step two would logically be a southern Californian pop star." FLORIAN:"Perhaps we should've gone out dancing tonight..." RALPH: "No, it's difficult enough to enjoy performing in public, let alone making unannounced appearances. Let's stay hidden for another month or two?" FLORIAN:"Yes, yes. I need to be setting up my orientation pamphlet for my new students." FLORIAN:"Wolfgang? How is the art display? Has Laibach re-entered that fruit roll-up christ series again?" RALPH: "Don't tell him about the tour - hopefully nobody else knows." __________ _______________________________________ | o%o [_]| /The Sci-Fi Disco Fembots From Hell(tm)/\ |__________| / http://www.geocities.com/paris/6937 / / /ooo/ /ooo/\ /______________________________________/ / /___/////// /~\_________Analog is my bitch.__________\/ \_________\/ "It's klinkity-klankity disco goodness!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) Aktivitaet available for Spanish readers Date: 25 Apr 1998 23:06:01 +0000 The last and final issue 10 of the unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine, AKTIVITAET, is available to readers in Spain. El numero 10, ultimo y final, del fanzine no oficial de Kraftwerk, AKTIVITAET, esta disponible para los lectores de Espa=F1a. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Johan Persson" Subject: (kw) Rare Kraftwerk Singles Date: 25 Apr 1998 16:07:11 PDT Greetings fellow Kraftwerkers! This is a message from Mahkra, a member of the list since 980227. I seldom post to the list since I don't want to waste space unless I have anything important to say. You guessed it, I have something of great importance: If you come across a bootleg called KRAFTWERK: WERKE WESTWOOD ONE-RARITIES ON COMPACT DISC VOL 55, don't hesitate! I bought it today on a special record fair in the legendary Kraftwerk visited Solna near Stockholm. There were tonnes of Kraftwerk records there: singles, albums, vinyl, CD, everything. And of course Tone Float, Kraftwerk, Kraftwerk 2 and Ralf & Florian. Back to WERKE! This CD is a single collection containing: 1. Tour de France / 1983 German 12" version 2. Dentaku / 1981 12" version 3. Autobahn / 1975 US chart single version 4. Kouhoutek / 1974 1st single 5. Showroom dummies / 1977 single edit version 6. Der telefon anruf / 1987 German 12" version 7. Musique non stop / 1986 12" version 8. Sex object / 1986 Spanish version 9. Radioactivity / 1991 William Orbit hardcore remix 10. Tour de France / 1983 remix version 11. Minicalculateur / 1981 French 12" version 12. Housephone / 1987 12" remix 13. Autobahn / 1981 reissue version The price was 15 American dollars, a very good price for such a great CD: Tour de France is a very good Kraftwerk song, Kouhoutek is a beautiful remix of Kometenmelodie, Radioactivity by Orbit is an interesting piece, and all the other rare singles are very well chosen too. This record is probably available on the Internet too, so why not try and find it? It kicks roBUTT. I bought Ralf & Florian too, and liked it very much. I was especially affected by Kristallo, because it sounds so modern! Man, this is 1973, and the bass sounds almost like modern techno! I liked the enclosed comics by Emil Schultz too, though I didn't understand a shit... A few weeks ago I found another rare Kraftwerk bootleg, entitled KRAFTWERK LIVE IN KÖLN 1971. It contains the songs of Kraftwerk 1, preformed live. The sound quality is very poor, but the songs